# Venezuela, China, and America's Secrets: David Shedd & Andrew Badger

An episode of [NatSec Matters](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1711240452), 3 Dec 2025, 44 min.

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Michael speaks with David Shedd, former acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and Andrew Badger, a corporate risk advisor and former intelligence officer. David and Andrew share their stark forecasts for possible U.S. military strikes on Venezuela's Maduro regime and narco-trafficking targets. They then shift hemispheres to discuss their book, The Great Heist: China's Epic Campaign to Steal America's Secrets. They reveal how China's "whole of society" espionage campaign feeds into a comprehensive global intelligence operation that poses unique national security risks to the U.S.

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