# Beyond the Barrel: Dr. Karen Young

An episode of [NatSec Matters](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1711240452), 2 Jul 2025, 46 min.

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Michael talks with Dr. Karen Young, Senior Fellow at the Middle East Institute, about the potential economic ripple effects of the Israel-Iran conflict. Dr. Young explains the 'decoupling' of Middle Eastern conflict from global oil prices, the impact of U.S. fracking on oil supply, and the increasing efficiency of global oil usage—and why it all matters for Middle East geopolitics.

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