# Deterring Pyongyang: Syd Seiler

An episode of [NatSec Matters](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1711240452), 30 Jul 2025, 41 min.

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Michael speaks with Syd Seiler, former U.S. National Intelligence Officer for North Korea and one of the U.S. government's most experienced Korea hands. Seiler unpacks the long arc of Kim Jong Un's strategy, the roots of North Korea's provocations, and why the regime sees nuclear weapons as essential to its survival. He also discusses the limits of diplomacy, the myth of a quick breakthrough, and how U.S. policy should adapt for the long game.

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