# Corvette Museum's Robert Maxhimer; Plus, Listener Feedback

An episode of [Bloomberg Hot Pursuit!](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1710787142), 10 Jan 2025, 59 min.

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Corvette Museum head of collections Robert Maxhimer joins the show to discuss all things 'Vette. Plus, Rolls-Royce sales results for 2024 and listener feedback. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is
[0:03] Speaker 1: hot pursuit.
[0:12] Speaker 2: Okay, we have a fun guest today on.
[0:16] Speaker 3: What has become a little bit of a touchy subject.
[0:19] Speaker 1: For apparently you and me. It's reared its ugly head
[0:23] Speaker 1: yet again. We're bringing it into twenty twenty five. I guess.
[0:26] Speaker 2: Yes, we're going to talk to the head of the
[0:29] Speaker 2: Corvette Museum in Bowling Green, Kentucky.
[0:33] Speaker 1: Robe Maxheimer.
[0:34] Speaker 2: You are the bigger Corvette fan, I mean officially because
[0:39] Speaker 2: you own corvettes.
[0:40] Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a competition.
[0:42] Speaker 3: It's not a.
[0:42] Speaker 2: Competition, but I feel a love. I've recently rekindled love
[0:48] Speaker 2: for the Corvette. But it's happened to me a couple
[0:49] Speaker 2: of times in my life that I've gotten pretty close
[0:51] Speaker 2: to it.
[0:52] Speaker 3: And right now I'm there with the C eight.
[0:55] Speaker 1: It's only a matter of time. I mean, I do
[0:57] Speaker 1: think the Corvette is really under loved and underappreciated. So
[1:01] Speaker 1: I'm very happy to talk to Robert about corvettes and
[1:05] Speaker 1: pop culture and this new exhibit they've got. And I'm
[1:08] Speaker 1: not surprised you are in love with it again. I
[1:11] Speaker 1: think it's only a matter of time. Yeah, you get yours.
[1:13] Speaker 3: I also hope that we see more. You know, we've
[1:15] Speaker 3: talked in the past.
[1:16] Speaker 2: We talked to Tom Wagner, who owns a number of
[1:20] Speaker 2: car businesses and racing businesses through Nighthead Capital. One of
[1:24] Speaker 2: them is Revology and they make the Mustangs, but they've
[1:28] Speaker 2: considered an expansion and I really hope they do a
[1:31] Speaker 2: C two corvette.
[1:32] Speaker 1: Wait did he tell us this or is this new information?
[1:35] Speaker 3: He told us?
[1:36] Speaker 2: I think that they were considering other vehicles or projects.
[1:41] Speaker 1: You've since learned and.
[1:43] Speaker 2: I've heard from Tom at Revology also that they would
[1:47] Speaker 2: be open to mulling the potential of you know, other things.
[1:52] Speaker 2: And there are already some like Resto Mode or kit
[1:57] Speaker 2: car makers, but there's nobody who makes it from the
[2:01] Speaker 2: ground up the way we have Oology does from the Mustang.
[2:04] Speaker 3: And you know that I get excited about that.
[2:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:06] Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm going to vote for a C
[2:09] Speaker 1: three version just because I'm going to be a broken
[2:12] Speaker 1: record this entire podcast going taking everything back to the
[2:15] Speaker 1: C three. But I mean, why not a C three?
[2:17] Speaker 1: Restoh get the younger set the eighties babies.
[2:20] Speaker 3: I do agree with you that it is way more
[2:22] Speaker 3: punk rock.
[2:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got an attitude problem.
[2:25] Speaker 2: And I love if Alison Mosshart had a Corvette, it
[2:28] Speaker 2: would be a c Yeah, there you go. Speaking of
[2:31] Speaker 2: Alison Mossheart. We had listener email and we encourage listeners
[2:36] Speaker 2: to write in. Our email address is.
[2:38] Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.
[2:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, and we had a great listener email that you
[2:44] Speaker 2: highlighted recently about somebody who did listen to the Alison
[2:49] Speaker 2: Mossheart episode and appreciated her and her challenger challenge.
[2:54] Speaker 1: Yes, this was from Doug. We'll just say your first name, Doug.
[2:58] Speaker 1: Thanks so much for writing. I think we've heard from
[3:00] Speaker 1: you a time or two before. And we love the
[3:02] Speaker 1: photo that you sent of your daughters with a white
[3:04] Speaker 1: challenger just like Allison's super cool. And yeah, I also
[3:11] Speaker 1: liked your take on specking out, you know, a GT
[3:16] Speaker 1: three versus A nine to ninety two, and you know,
[3:20] Speaker 1: getting into do we like digital? Do we like analog gauges?
[3:24] Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera?
[3:25] Speaker 3: Does anyone like digital gauges?
[3:27] Speaker 2: No?
[3:28] Speaker 1: You know, I think I wrote back and told Doug
[3:31] Speaker 1: I totally agree, except for when I was in that
[3:35] Speaker 1: kyen GTS recently. It has the five digital gauges and honestly,
[3:39] Speaker 1: it didn't bother me. But that's an suv exactly, so
[3:42] Speaker 1: that's a little different.
[3:43] Speaker 2: It's it's a different thing. And you wouldn't buy like
[3:46] Speaker 2: I don't imagine you would buy a ky and GTS
[3:48] Speaker 2: and think this is a forever car for me. I'm
[3:52] Speaker 2: going to make a spot with a trickle charger in
[3:55] Speaker 2: the garage where I keep this until I hand it
[3:57] Speaker 2: over to my great grandchildren. Like, that's not the the point.
[4:00] Speaker 2: That's the that's the kind of car you lease for
[4:02] Speaker 2: two years and then give back.
[4:04] Speaker 1: Are you saying you don't have a poster of a
[4:06] Speaker 1: Cayenne suv on your wall?
[4:07] Speaker 2: I mean you know what, obviously you see a lot
[4:10] Speaker 2: of the older Cayennes on bring a trailer. And I
[4:15] Speaker 2: have a buddy here who, uh let me drive his
[4:18] Speaker 2: Ferrari three fifty five and he has a Cayenne with
[4:21] Speaker 2: a manual.
[4:23] Speaker 3: Which.
[4:25] Speaker 1: Is that an aftermarket thing?
[4:27] Speaker 4: No?
[4:27] Speaker 3: They made him for a while. What yeah, and you
[4:31] Speaker 3: know that seems really but cool.
[4:33] Speaker 2: So older Cayennes are a thing and I could but
[4:36] Speaker 2: a new, brand new GTS. Do you buy that and
[4:39] Speaker 2: salmon and hold it forever?
[4:40] Speaker 1: No?
[4:40] Speaker 3: Do you care if it doesn't have analog gauges.
[4:42] Speaker 2: No, But on a nine to eleven, I think for
[4:45] Speaker 2: most people who purchase a Portia nine to eleven, whatever generation,
[4:52] Speaker 2: I would say probably the majority say I'm going to
[4:54] Speaker 2: keep this car forever.
[4:55] Speaker 3: Right Is that fair?
[4:57] Speaker 1: Honestly I disagree. I think half of them now are
[5:00] Speaker 1: saying I'm going to sell this car in two years
[5:02] Speaker 1: and make money.
[5:03] Speaker 2: True, that's painful to think about, but you're you're right.
[5:05] Speaker 2: I know a guy who actually offered to let me
[5:09] Speaker 2: drive a couple of his Ferraris and has like an
[5:14] Speaker 2: amazing garage and said he has an st coming.
[5:17] Speaker 1: In February that is my favorite Porsa I think it is.
[5:21] Speaker 2: So he emailed me and I was like, wow, what
[5:24] Speaker 2: an amazing offer. Yes, So I called him up and
[5:27] Speaker 2: I talked.
[5:27] Speaker 3: To him for a while.
[5:28] Speaker 2: Awesome dude, super genius quant investor who isn't really that
[5:35] Speaker 2: into Pe cars. But he said a few years back,
[5:38] Speaker 2: a Porsche dealer gave him the opportunity to buy a
[5:41] Speaker 2: GT three and he was kind of interested and bought it,
[5:44] Speaker 2: and he loved it because he really appreciates mechanical grip.
[5:47] Speaker 2: But after a year of driving it occasionally. He sold
[5:50] Speaker 2: it for a big profit and then he realized he
[5:52] Speaker 2: was just going to order one every year.
[5:54] Speaker 1: And do that just flipped a lot of people do
[5:56] Speaker 1: that in LA.
[5:58] Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that's cool. I appreciate the like
[6:01] Speaker 2: someone from Middle America who's had a Porsche poster on
[6:05] Speaker 2: the wall since she was four, like saving up through
[6:08] Speaker 2: her like middling career and then finally being able to
[6:11] Speaker 2: afford run at forty five and then keeping it in
[6:13] Speaker 2: her garage forever.
[6:14] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
[6:14] Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, that's the that's somehow it seems
[6:18] Speaker 1: more genuine. I was gonna like, I was trying to think,
[6:21] Speaker 1: why is that considered? Why do you prefer that? And
[6:24] Speaker 1: I think it's because to you it seems more of
[6:27] Speaker 1: a genuine thing.
[6:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a there's a passion there.
[6:30] Speaker 2: There's no passion with somebody who takes a car because
[6:35] Speaker 2: he's super rich and can flip it and does so. Yeah,
[6:38] Speaker 2: there is a passion with someone who you know, has
[6:42] Speaker 2: always has always hoped to have a Porsche, has always
[6:46] Speaker 2: been in love with you know, it has dogg eared
[6:48] Speaker 2: copies of Rodent track, and that person wants analog gauges obviously.
[6:54] Speaker 1: Yes, right, that's true. That's true. You know I think
[6:56] Speaker 1: a lot about Dua Lipa and Portia.
[7:00] Speaker 3: I recently learned who du Lipa was.
[7:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, well she's a she's an ambassador, a brand partner
[7:06] Speaker 1: with Porscha, and.
[7:10] Speaker 3: She old enough to have a driver's license.
[7:12] Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I just I think she's in her thirties.
[7:16] Speaker 1: I know she looks amazing, you know. I just that
[7:22] Speaker 1: partnership is so fascin fascinating to me, and I don't
[7:27] Speaker 1: really know why. I think it's because I actually do
[7:29] Speaker 1: like do A Lipa's music, but she is a little
[7:32] Speaker 1: unexpected for Porsche. But I also think she probably indicates
[7:36] Speaker 1: where they are trying to get the brand to go.
[7:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, they want a younger audience.
[7:42] Speaker 2: I actually was reading a stat on, so we're going
[7:45] Speaker 2: to talk corvettes, and I was looking through the generations
[7:51] Speaker 2: and I saw that at one point, I don't know
[7:54] Speaker 2: if it was uh C four to C five or
[7:57] Speaker 2: C five to C six, but at one point GM
[7:59] Speaker 2: was like all of our owners, our corvette owners are
[8:02] Speaker 2: super old, like eighty David, we're over fifty five, right,
[8:07] Speaker 2: And if you looked at nine to eleven owners, only
[8:10] Speaker 2: thirty percent. We're over fifty five, which I was already
[8:12] Speaker 2: surprised about because I feel like nine to eleven also
[8:15] Speaker 2: is kind of an old man car in some respects.
[8:18] Speaker 2: But somebody made a comment in the story like, you
[8:23] Speaker 2: don't want to drive an old man's car, you want
[8:26] Speaker 2: to drive a.
[8:27] Speaker 3: Young man's car. And I guess that's probably true for
[8:30] Speaker 3: the majority of people, right, Yeah, I.
[8:33] Speaker 1: Guess I mean not for you and money. Yeah, no,
[8:36] Speaker 1: I would like to drive an old man's car actually,
[8:38] Speaker 1: to be honest, I mean, it's obviously tough because it's
[8:43] Speaker 1: a it's a pre selecting situation when a car is expensive,
[8:47] Speaker 1: because typically who has the most money in the country
[8:50] Speaker 1: older men, So it's it's kind of self selecting.
[8:55] Speaker 2: It is weird, though, that Dua Lipa is their partner,
[8:57] Speaker 2: because I would think she fronts BMW XM campaign or
[9:03] Speaker 2: she is the new brand ambassador for Jaguar.
[9:06] Speaker 1: You know, that would be interesting, can you imagine? I mean,
[9:10] Speaker 1: it's kind of wonder how much she got paid, That's
[9:12] Speaker 1: what I would like to know.
[9:14] Speaker 2: Or maybe she just loves cars, you know, like sometimes
[9:18] Speaker 2: they're unexpected Sidney Sweeney for example, Yes, isn't absolute, Yes,
[9:23] Speaker 2: gear head Carlow.
[9:24] Speaker 1: True, but she has a long history already established of
[9:28] Speaker 1: being involved in cars or having a cool car too.
[9:32] Speaker 1: Doesn't she like work on a truck or something she
[9:34] Speaker 1: has like a truck or an suv that she works on.
[9:36] Speaker 3: I mean she also is only like twenty three years old,
[9:38] Speaker 3: so it can't be that long of a history. But
[9:42] Speaker 3: I'm impressed.
[9:43] Speaker 2: And she has legit chops, you know, yeah, for sure
[9:46] Speaker 2: someone who's passionate about yeah cars.
[9:49] Speaker 1: Maybe Doua has that as well, it's just less publicized.
[9:53] Speaker 2: All right, let's get to Robert Maxheimer without further ado.
[9:57] Speaker 2: He runs the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Robert,
[10:01] Speaker 2: let's start with your, uh, with your with the Corvette museum,
[10:05] Speaker 2: because you're.
[10:06] Speaker 1: In an exhibit. It's a new exhibit, right, a.
[10:09] Speaker 2: New exhibit, but just the museum itself. First of all,
[10:12] Speaker 2: it's in Bowling Green, Kentucky. So Hannah would have to
[10:15] Speaker 2: drive for like three days to get there. It would
[10:18] Speaker 2: take me probably ten hours.
[10:19] Speaker 1: And I almost have I have been to the museum.
[10:23] Speaker 3: Oh you have you?
[10:25] Speaker 1: Now do you believe that I love corvettes?
[10:27] Speaker 4: I know you did? Think I think she liked it.
[10:31] Speaker 1: I did go after the infamous sinkhole, and I do
[10:34] Speaker 1: want to ask you for people who remember the sinkhole,
[10:38] Speaker 1: we would like to let them know this is not
[10:40] Speaker 1: an issue anymore, but you can sort of still see
[10:42] Speaker 1: some of it.
[10:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean, the sinkhole obviously was a huge story.
[10:47] Speaker 4: And today, I mean, so yesterday we had it was
[10:52] Speaker 4: a pretty slow day. The weather was bad. So we
[10:54] Speaker 4: have about thirty people total that came to the museum.
[10:57] Speaker 4: Seven of them asked the front about the sinkhole. Yes,
[11:01] Speaker 4: it's always yeah, they're always asking about where it is.
[11:05] Speaker 4: Can we go inside of it? You know, can we
[11:07] Speaker 4: see the car? And and say nope, that's all been fixed.
[11:10] Speaker 4: The SkyDome is now the safest place in Bowling Green,
[11:14] Speaker 4: maybe in Kentucky. So no, it's an interesting story, but
[11:21] Speaker 4: you know, we're here to celebrate Corvette. So it's it's
[11:24] Speaker 4: nice to kind of move on from that a little bit.
[11:25] Speaker 1: I'm glad we could clear that up just for anyone
[11:28] Speaker 1: who was thinking about visiting and worried about the sinkhole.
[11:31] Speaker 1: It's no longer an issue.
[11:33] Speaker 2: But the museum tell us how the museum started, I mean,
[11:37] Speaker 2: was Corvette production originally in Bowling Green, I know they
[11:39] Speaker 2: make them there now, but why is the museum there?
[11:43] Speaker 4: So it started in Michigan. The first five hundred corvettes
[11:46] Speaker 4: were made in Michigan nineteen fifty three, and then they
[11:49] Speaker 4: moved to Saint Louis where they were there until the
[11:52] Speaker 4: late seventies, and then they started the plant here in
[11:55] Speaker 4: Bowling Green, which came online in nineteen eighty two. They
[12:00] Speaker 4: started making the C four generation in nineteen eighty three,
[12:04] Speaker 4: but they made forty of them and they were abysmal.
[12:07] Speaker 4: So they don't make There's no nineteen eighty three corvette
[12:11] Speaker 4: in the world except here at the National Corvette Museum.
[12:13] Speaker 4: There's one in existence. And then they started pumping them
[12:17] Speaker 4: out there eighty four and they still make them there today.
[12:21] Speaker 3: So what is the new exhibit? Tell us about the
[12:24] Speaker 3: new exhibit.
[12:26] Speaker 4: So the new exhibit in the SkyDome, which is completely safe,
[12:29] Speaker 4: by the way, is pop culture and Corvette were you know,
[12:33] Speaker 4: we're able to examine how Corvette's kind of kind of
[12:38] Speaker 4: made its way into the zeitgeist of culture, you know,
[12:40] Speaker 4: over many generations, from the first movie it was in,
[12:44] Speaker 4: which was Kissing Me Deadly in nineteen fifty five, all
[12:47] Speaker 4: the way through to It was recently in the movie
[12:50] Speaker 4: Red One, which came out on Amazon Prime not too
[12:53] Speaker 4: long ago. So and there's music, there's we have Jim
[12:57] Speaker 4: levels Corvette, who was mission commander for Apollo eight Paulo thirteen.
[13:04] Speaker 4: We had that on display, along with smartifacts that he
[13:07] Speaker 4: took into space, space climbs and that kind of thing.
[13:09] Speaker 4: So it really runs the gamut of pop culture, not
[13:13] Speaker 4: just film and TV, but music and you know everything else.
[13:17] Speaker 1: It's it's pretty cool, Robert. I. Can you take us
[13:21] Speaker 1: a little bit even farther back than that and really
[13:23] Speaker 1: talk to us about why the Corvette was developed, Like,
[13:27] Speaker 1: you know, obviously people know this is sort of America's
[13:31] Speaker 1: answer to the beautiful European sports cars, But talk to
[13:36] Speaker 1: us about, you know, what Harley Earle envisioned when he
[13:39] Speaker 1: first had the concept of creating an American sports car.
[13:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so funny you asked me because I was
[13:48] Speaker 4: just speaking with Richard Prince, who is a photographer for
[13:50] Speaker 4: Corvette Racing. We're doing an exhibit with him that opens
[13:53] Speaker 4: March seventh, but he's here doing some interviews and some
[13:57] Speaker 4: oral histories for us, and I just had that cover
[14:00] Speaker 4: station with him. He wrote a book about it, actually,
[14:02] Speaker 4: so Harley Earl he had the idea by going to
[14:07] Speaker 4: Watkins Glenn and seeing a race there. He was actually
[14:11] Speaker 4: in a Buick Motorama like design car and he was
[14:16] Speaker 4: leading the first pace around the track, which back then
[14:20] Speaker 4: wasn't a track, it was actually the streets of the
[14:21] Speaker 4: Watkins Glenn and he was blown away. There was two
[14:24] Speaker 4: hundred thousand people on that track watching this race and
[14:29] Speaker 4: he just had no idea. There was so much fanfare
[14:31] Speaker 4: for motorsports. So he went back and he just basically
[14:36] Speaker 4: tasked the entire GM group with creating the sports car.
[14:40] Speaker 4: And of course the influence of GHI is coming back
[14:43] Speaker 4: from Europe seeing these cars that were over there. The
[14:48] Speaker 4: two seater sports cars was influential as well, so that's
[14:54] Speaker 4: really what sparked it, and then it just kind of
[14:57] Speaker 4: grew from there, especially with Oregon involved.
[15:00] Speaker 1: And the name corvette comes from a naval term for
[15:04] Speaker 1: a type of boat, right, a very light, quick attack boat.
[15:07] Speaker 1: Am I getting that right?
[15:09] Speaker 4: That's correct? Yes, it was a warship that was known
[15:13] Speaker 4: for being fast and could get into type spaces.
[15:16] Speaker 2: Is it fair to say it took GM a while
[15:18] Speaker 2: to figure out what they had on their hands because
[15:21] Speaker 2: for the first few generations, I hear you know, production
[15:26] Speaker 2: was tough, manufacturing was difficult. You just referenced the nineteen
[15:30] Speaker 2: eighty three problems that sort of eliminated the model for
[15:34] Speaker 2: that year, and I also have read that, you know,
[15:38] Speaker 2: it wasn't very fast at first, and it took a
[15:41] Speaker 2: while before the brass realized they got to get this
[15:43] Speaker 2: thing racing. They got to get some wins. And obviously
[15:47] Speaker 2: now it's another story. We see that lament, we see
[15:50] Speaker 2: it on the podium all the time, but it took
[15:53] Speaker 2: them a long time to realize what they that they
[15:55] Speaker 2: had to hit right.
[15:56] Speaker 4: What was interesting is that, you know, they were trying
[15:58] Speaker 4: to push it out for the next more Rama and
[16:01] Speaker 4: which was at the Boulder for Astoria, And so they
[16:05] Speaker 4: made these these cars just like on a whim. Nothing
[16:09] Speaker 4: was really custom for it outside of the design of
[16:12] Speaker 4: the body in the frame. The motor was the blue
[16:15] Speaker 4: flame six cylinder that came out of the truck that
[16:19] Speaker 4: was in production, and the only options that you could
[16:24] Speaker 4: get on the car to begin with was either with
[16:27] Speaker 4: or without a heater, or with or without am radio.
[16:30] Speaker 4: Everything else was just you got it the way it
[16:33] Speaker 4: came and the and the white with the red interior.
[16:36] Speaker 3: Only white.
[16:37] Speaker 4: It only came in white, only white in nineteen fifty three,
[16:41] Speaker 4: that's right, and then eventually they introduced black and then
[16:44] Speaker 4: you know, more and more colors. But yeah, it was
[16:48] Speaker 4: it was underperforming. People were not impressed with how it
[16:53] Speaker 4: was on the streets or on the track, and it
[16:56] Speaker 4: wasn't until Zora got involved or done tof and he
[17:00] Speaker 4: wrote a letter to the GM brass and said, hey, look,
[17:02] Speaker 4: we're going to compete with Porsche and you know Ferrari.
[17:07] Speaker 4: We need to start, you know, developing these motors that
[17:11] Speaker 4: are going to be able to achieve that. So he
[17:14] Speaker 4: really pushed into the VA eventually in nineteen fifty seven,
[17:19] Speaker 4: and then it grew into you know, the big block
[17:23] Speaker 4: and racing. So or is the whole reason why there's
[17:26] Speaker 4: you know, Corvette racing in the in the fifties and
[17:29] Speaker 4: early sixties. So yeah, it's interesting. We have the letters
[17:33] Speaker 4: here actually in our archives, those.
[17:35] Speaker 1: Originals or letters, So can you tell us what else
[17:38] Speaker 1: you guys have there? Just to give people an idea,
[17:41] Speaker 1: like if you are, if we are planning a trip
[17:43] Speaker 1: in the area, what other things can people expect to
[17:46] Speaker 1: see at the museum.
[17:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question because I think for years
[17:51] Speaker 4: the expectation was to see a bunch of corvettes, which
[17:54] Speaker 4: is awesome. I mean, everybody wants to see a bunch
[17:56] Speaker 4: of corvettes. But luckily our collection, between our archives, our
[18:00] Speaker 4: three D collection, obviously our car collection, we can tell
[18:05] Speaker 4: a ton of different stories. So you can expect to
[18:09] Speaker 4: see documents, artwork, blueprints, original blueprints from the Opal project
[18:16] Speaker 4: which was the fifty three, all the way through to
[18:20] Speaker 4: you know, recent C eight related objects as well. So
[18:25] Speaker 4: you know, we have a few of the cars on display,
[18:28] Speaker 4: but we're also in the process of scanning, so we've
[18:31] Speaker 4: three D scanned a few cars, specifically the XP eight
[18:36] Speaker 4: one nine, which is the ugly Duckling, and then the
[18:40] Speaker 4: Z six sixty three split window racer to one of
[18:45] Speaker 4: the kind cars that are only here in our collection
[18:48] Speaker 4: are now digitally scanned and people can go on their
[18:51] Speaker 4: phones and actually explore these cars, you know, on their own.
[18:55] Speaker 4: So there's a lot, there's a lot that we're pushing
[18:58] Speaker 4: out and we're excited for the future for sure.
[19:02] Speaker 1: Are you guys actively acquiring additional vehicles for the museum
[19:07] Speaker 1: and acquiring things for the archive as well.
[19:10] Speaker 4: Absolutely, we're donation based, so you know, people come to
[19:13] Speaker 4: us and if they have a Corvette that they're willing
[19:16] Speaker 4: to donate to the museum, there's a form that's filled out,
[19:21] Speaker 4: it goes through our Collections Committee and where it's voted
[19:23] Speaker 4: on and then we you know, accept it as a
[19:27] Speaker 4: recent acquisition, and that's for everything from a car to
[19:32] Speaker 4: it could be like recently, we've got these trophies that
[19:35] Speaker 4: were handed out by GM to car clubs, corvette clubs
[19:40] Speaker 4: and the sixties during the C two generation. So they're
[19:43] Speaker 4: very one of a kind, but just somebody had them
[19:46] Speaker 4: in their basement and didn't need them anymore and offered
[19:50] Speaker 4: it to us. So we're always looking for things to
[19:52] Speaker 4: kind of bridge the gap in our collection.
[19:54] Speaker 2: For sure, I wanted to go through some of the
[19:56] Speaker 2: generations because not every nobody knows they're you know, C
[20:01] Speaker 2: one through C eight. It's pretty easy to get through them, and.
[20:04] Speaker 1: Thank godmakers exactly exactly.
[20:08] Speaker 2: I first became aware of a Corvette when I was
[20:11] Speaker 2: watching Animal House. It's kind of like a bad guy car.
[20:14] Speaker 2: And then in less than zero there's also a C one.
[20:18] Speaker 2: Yeah it's and it's a gorgeous car, but a lot
[20:23] Speaker 2: of people who own them as well as like other
[20:25] Speaker 2: GENEROCY two uh say that it's kind of like driving
[20:29] Speaker 2: a truck because they are body on frame cars, right.
[20:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, they are a no power steering and those early cars,
[20:35] Speaker 4: so your steering wheel is about this big, and you
[20:39] Speaker 4: know it's it's not really it's not built for comfort,
[20:43] Speaker 4: especially when you get into the you know, the the
[20:45] Speaker 4: C two s, which I think are gorgeous cars. They
[20:49] Speaker 4: weren't built for comfort. So you're going down the road,
[20:52] Speaker 4: you're gonna fill every pump for sure. It's not until
[20:54] Speaker 4: you got into the you know, the C fives and
[20:58] Speaker 4: into the C eights where you really start see that
[21:00] Speaker 4: the difference in the suspension and the chassis. So but yeah,
[21:06] Speaker 4: every everyone is different. Everybody likes a different one.
[21:08] Speaker 2: So I mean, for me, the C two is my favorite,
[21:11] Speaker 2: and that's the one that a lot of resto mode
[21:14] Speaker 2: or kit car makers, yeah, you know, try and replicate.
[21:20] Speaker 2: There are a couple of things that I wonder about.
[21:22] Speaker 2: The split rear window is so cool, but was it
[21:26] Speaker 2: was it made that way on purpose or was it
[21:29] Speaker 2: because they couldn't make a whole large pane of glass
[21:33] Speaker 2: in the curved shape or why why was it split?
[21:37] Speaker 4: So yeah, the sixty three, which was the only year
[21:39] Speaker 4: that that was that was produced, that was the one
[21:43] Speaker 4: of the only cars that had total controller. The designer
[21:46] Speaker 4: had totally control over Larry Schanoda. They basically said, hey,
[21:50] Speaker 4: do what you want, and everything from the lines down
[21:55] Speaker 4: the side of the car to that split window where
[21:58] Speaker 4: his touch unfortunate. Sunately, when it came out, a lot
[22:01] Speaker 4: of people found it distracting. They couldn't see it out
[22:03] Speaker 4: the rear view mirror, so they actually sold kits to
[22:07] Speaker 4: cut that out.
[22:08] Speaker 1: And replace it with a wild that is wild.
[22:13] Speaker 4: Oh could you imagine?
[22:14] Speaker 1: I mean yeah, because now collectible, I mean it's like
[22:17] Speaker 1: that's yeah.
[22:20] Speaker 2: Also, it's an intended design element because I thought it
[22:22] Speaker 2: was because manufacturing the whole window would have been too
[22:25] Speaker 2: difficult or there was some reason that they had to
[22:27] Speaker 2: do it like that.
[22:28] Speaker 4: It was purely designed. Larry liked the look of it
[22:31] Speaker 4: and it felt like it continued the curve down the
[22:35] Speaker 4: back of the of the car and gave it a
[22:38] Speaker 4: stronger block. It was his theory.
[22:39] Speaker 1: So the C two obviously is is beautiful and iconic,
[22:50] Speaker 1: But personally I love the C three because I feel
[22:53] Speaker 1: like it's a step toward modern sensibilities. It's so oh
[23:01] Speaker 1: ornery and it can really go either. It can look
[23:04] Speaker 1: very classy, you know, the chrome bumper.
[23:06] Speaker 3: I love.
[23:07] Speaker 1: It can look very classy or it can just look
[23:09] Speaker 1: really not. I don't want to say anything, but it
[23:13] Speaker 1: can look unclassy. But I love that too. I just
[23:17] Speaker 1: love how it's got an attitude and it's so compelling.
[23:20] Speaker 1: And you know, you're so right. It doesn't drive great,
[23:25] Speaker 1: but it's got a personality. The point is not not
[23:29] Speaker 1: to have the best handling or fastest car. You know.
[23:32] Speaker 1: I've got a seventy seven C three, so you know
[23:35] Speaker 1: it's and it's not even a manual, it's an automatic,
[23:38] Speaker 1: so you know it's I bought it because I like
[23:41] Speaker 1: how it looks and it just has this attitude that
[23:46] Speaker 1: I love so much. Yes, the C twos are really
[23:48] Speaker 1: beautiful in classic, but for me, the C three is
[23:51] Speaker 1: a punk car and I love that about it.
[23:54] Speaker 4: I could see that totally, especially the transition. You know,
[23:57] Speaker 4: you had the chrome bumper and completely releast free and
[24:01] Speaker 4: paula eurothmee bumper, which is a look.
[24:04] Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a look, and I have to
[24:07] Speaker 1: say my husband. My husband has a chrome bumper that's
[24:09] Speaker 1: a four speed manual, so I do have access to that.
[24:12] Speaker 1: But I of course have the underloved non chrome bumper automatic,
[24:17] Speaker 1: and the first time I drove it, I actually did
[24:21] Speaker 1: ding the nose because it's so much longer than you
[24:24] Speaker 1: think in the driving it No, it really it can
[24:30] Speaker 1: catch you out if you're not careful. So I don't know.
[24:33] Speaker 1: It's got such a personality.
[24:34] Speaker 3: I really love that.
[24:36] Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, just you know, we're talking about
[24:38] Speaker 4: all this in the Corvette. What really struck me about
[24:42] Speaker 4: it when I was doing the research when I started,
[24:44] Speaker 4: was every year to constantly push innovation. It's always what's next,
[24:49] Speaker 4: what can we do to make this car better? Constantly?
[24:52] Speaker 4: It's not they don't sit back and just.
[24:54] Speaker 1: Let it ride, you know, it's is that true for
[24:58] Speaker 1: Is that true for the late eighties nineties era? I
[25:02] Speaker 1: mean it did kind of feel like they were coasting
[25:04] Speaker 1: a little.
[25:04] Speaker 4: Bit, well a little bit. I mean when you get
[25:07] Speaker 4: into the C four, you know, and especially towards that
[25:11] Speaker 4: ninety six.
[25:12] Speaker 1: When it's stopped.
[25:14] Speaker 4: You know, the C four was was a bridge into
[25:18] Speaker 4: the technology era. I think you know, that's why there
[25:21] Speaker 4: were so many issues with it because they were trying
[25:23] Speaker 4: to put so much computerized.
[25:25] Speaker 1: You know, they're trying too hard.
[25:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. And then into the C five. I mean,
[25:30] Speaker 4: the C five kind of saved Corvette because it's it
[25:34] Speaker 4: was such a big seller and people felt comfortable in
[25:36] Speaker 4: the car, So each one serves its purpose. Then you
[25:40] Speaker 4: get into the C six with the z R one
[25:42] Speaker 4: and you're getting more into performance back slightly, yeah, exactly,
[25:47] Speaker 4: and then the C seven, the C seventh for a
[25:50] Speaker 4: lot of people is the pinnacle of the Corvette. I mean,
[25:53] Speaker 4: it's just a it has that that same line, the
[25:57] Speaker 4: same silhouette as a as a client.
[25:59] Speaker 1: Still that I'm gonna I'm gonna totally disagree. I love
[26:03] Speaker 1: the C eight. I thought it was so much car
[26:06] Speaker 1: for the money when I first drove it in twenty
[26:08] Speaker 1: late twenty.
[26:09] Speaker 3: Well, but it's a massive departure, right, I get completely.
[26:12] Speaker 1: So it looks like a Ferrari.
[26:14] Speaker 2: So I mean the C seven I think looked like
[26:16] Speaker 2: a Ferrari at the time too. That's when I saw
[26:19] Speaker 2: that unveiled. It was the first it was one of
[26:21] Speaker 2: the things that I thought, not in a bad way,
[26:24] Speaker 2: because I fell in love with the car right away.
[26:26] Speaker 2: But I thought that's the end of an a of
[26:30] Speaker 2: the traditional Corvette era. I agree because the motors in
[26:33] Speaker 2: the front right where it should be on a Corvette.
[26:36] Speaker 3: And the C eight.
[26:38] Speaker 2: Although I'm head over heels in love and I can't
[26:40] Speaker 2: wait to as soon as it's as soon as it's
[26:43] Speaker 2: financially possible, get my own.
[26:46] Speaker 3: It's a different kind of thing.
[26:48] Speaker 1: It's different.
[26:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, and do a lot of people see that break
[26:52] Speaker 2: just because of the engine placement.
[26:55] Speaker 4: You know, there's people that complain about it. There's traditionalists
[26:59] Speaker 4: now there that will never sell their C seven. But
[27:02] Speaker 4: we have the museum delivery program here at the museum,
[27:05] Speaker 4: and it's just you know, it's their only C eights,
[27:08] Speaker 4: the brand new cars, and it's eight cars a day,
[27:11] Speaker 4: you know. So there's people not only buying these, but
[27:15] Speaker 4: they're they're seeing that the younger generation is getting more
[27:18] Speaker 4: attracted to the car more than any other generation of Corvette.
[27:24] Speaker 4: So I think that was their objective was to say, hey,
[27:28] Speaker 4: we need to shake things up and get these other
[27:30] Speaker 4: people interested in this younger generation. By the way, we're
[27:34] Speaker 4: not competing with Ford, we're not competing with the Mustang.
[27:38] Speaker 4: We're competing with Portia and Lamborghini and Ferrari and Asta Martin,
[27:42] Speaker 4: those are that's our benchmark. So I think that's what
[27:46] Speaker 4: the CAA did. And you mentioned before it's not a supercar.
[27:50] Speaker 4: Well then you've got the z R one that came out,
[27:53] Speaker 4: you know, one thy sixty four horse power.
[27:55] Speaker 2: I mean, I think it is a supercar power even
[27:57] Speaker 2: before you get to the ZR one leg in my so,
[28:00] Speaker 2: in my opinion, Hanna and I have talked about this
[28:02] Speaker 2: a lot.
[28:02] Speaker 3: We don't take it, but it's oh we can, It's
[28:05] Speaker 3: we can. I mean, where else are you going to
[28:08] Speaker 3: find something like the Z six right?
[28:10] Speaker 2: Uh, flatplane crank and it's naturally aspirated but still makes
[28:17] Speaker 2: what six hundred and fifty horse power?
[28:19] Speaker 3: And I mean it just in my opinion, just ticks
[28:22] Speaker 3: all the boxes. Now what would what? I can't remember
[28:26] Speaker 3: why did you say it's not a supercar? Handah, just
[28:28] Speaker 3: because it doesn't cost not.
[28:29] Speaker 1: A supercar, because a supercar is a superlative vehicle that
[28:33] Speaker 1: combines the best of every element and was always intended
[28:38] Speaker 1: to be that the top. The Corvette was not conceived
[28:43] Speaker 1: as a superlative vehicle. We've just gone over how it
[28:46] Speaker 1: actually wasn't at all and ps. The Corvette has the
[28:50] Speaker 1: nickname America sports Car, Like, how how much more evidence
[28:56] Speaker 1: do you need? You know that, Yes, we have higher
[28:59] Speaker 1: power variance of the Corvette, of course, but it was
[29:03] Speaker 1: not conceived as a superlative performance vehicle that would cost
[29:09] Speaker 1: more and do more than any other vehicle in the lineup.
[29:12] Speaker 3: So Robert, what do you what do you think? I mean,
[29:15] Speaker 3: is a C eight Is a Z six a supercar?
[29:20] Speaker 4: That's a good I mean, that's a good point you
[29:22] Speaker 4: think of like the four GT that.
[29:24] Speaker 1: Is that was conceived as the superlatives.
[29:27] Speaker 4: I would say it's a supercar.
[29:29] Speaker 1: Yes, agree, you know that is not Yeah, go ahead, sorry, sorry,
[29:35] Speaker 1: go ahead, I get.
[29:36] Speaker 4: Rid no worries, No, I get your point. But the
[29:41] Speaker 4: fact that you can have within the same car, you know,
[29:46] Speaker 4: multiple entry points. You know, you can get into a
[29:48] Speaker 4: sting Ray for sixty thousand in a base model or
[29:51] Speaker 4: like we were talking about the z R one, which
[29:53] Speaker 4: is going to cost who knows how much that's going
[29:54] Speaker 4: to be, which I would argue is a supercar. So
[29:58] Speaker 4: but I get your point of it if not being
[30:01] Speaker 4: conceived and delivered as specifically a supercar from the beginning,
[30:08] Speaker 4: I think once you drive it. You would call it
[30:10] Speaker 4: a supercar, but you know, I.
[30:11] Speaker 2: Mean, if if a Z six is better than a
[30:14] Speaker 2: Ferrari four to fifty eight, is it just a sports
[30:18] Speaker 2: car that happens to be better than a supercar?
[30:21] Speaker 4: Good point? Good point.
[30:24] Speaker 1: I don't know who's saying it's better than a four fifty.
[30:26] Speaker 2: I'm saying if you can drive them back to back
[30:28] Speaker 2: and draw your own conclusions.
[30:30] Speaker 3: But a lot of people would say it is.
[30:33] Speaker 1: Are you saying that?
[30:34] Speaker 4: Though?
[30:34] Speaker 2: No, No, I haven't driven a four to fifty eight,
[30:36] Speaker 2: so I'm just telling you what other people have with
[30:41] Speaker 2: more experience, like Eddie Alterman, would say it is at
[30:45] Speaker 2: least as good as, if not better, and he has
[30:48] Speaker 2: a heck of a lot of experience driving cars.
[30:50] Speaker 4: It could be competitive with the four fifty eight on
[30:52] Speaker 4: the track consistently, should it be in the same conversation
[30:57] Speaker 4: as the supercar?
[30:59] Speaker 1: I argue that a four to fifty eight is also
[31:04] Speaker 1: not a supercar.
[31:06] Speaker 3: I knew you were gonna say that.
[31:07] Speaker 1: How's that?
[31:08] Speaker 3: I knew that was coming.
[31:10] Speaker 1: Then Ferraris are supercars, but I wouldn't, and I don't. Look,
[31:13] Speaker 1: I don't want to awaken the Ferrari beast, but I
[31:16] Speaker 1: might argue that a four to fifty eight isn't a supercar,
[31:19] Speaker 1: it's a high end sports car, and that's wonderful.
[31:23] Speaker 4: Really, the difference is consumer consumer car, the car that's
[31:26] Speaker 4: made for consumer specifically a mass sure, yes, versus like
[31:31] Speaker 4: the C five, R s you know, C six, R
[31:34] Speaker 4: C seven, r C eight. Are those race cars?
[31:36] Speaker 2: Sure?
[31:37] Speaker 4: You know? Yes, specific we're racing.
[31:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of it.
[31:42] Speaker 2: Let's talk about racing, Robert, because there's so much made
[31:46] Speaker 2: about Ford versus Ferrari. And I get that the g
[31:51] Speaker 2: T forty or you know that those special cars. You know,
[31:56] Speaker 2: our our supercars and are very special like a Ferrari.
[32:00] Speaker 2: But Corvette has real racing pedigree in multiple generations, right,
[32:06] Speaker 2: and you know they sometimes achieved one, two three finishes
[32:10] Speaker 2: at Lamal. So what do you think are the are
[32:13] Speaker 2: the proudest moments in Corvette racing?
[32:18] Speaker 4: You know, I think going back to the golf Oil
[32:20] Speaker 4: series and the you know, the early sixties, you know,
[32:25] Speaker 4: with the C one and then into the C two,
[32:28] Speaker 4: they were highly competitive and you know you have Bill Cunningham,
[32:33] Speaker 4: Don Diego and all these like really famous race car
[32:36] Speaker 4: drivers that drove these cars and just kicked butt time
[32:40] Speaker 4: after time, and then GM pulled out of that right
[32:43] Speaker 4: they said, you know, this isn't for us. And then
[32:45] Speaker 4: you get into the early seventies and then the late
[32:48] Speaker 4: eighties with the Challenge Series, which is also a really
[32:52] Speaker 4: fascinating era of motorsports for Corvette, and then the introduction
[32:57] Speaker 4: of the Z R one in nineteen ninety and again
[33:01] Speaker 4: just consistently kicking everybody's butt all the way down the line, uh,
[33:06] Speaker 4: and then getting into nineteen ninety nine with the C
[33:09] Speaker 4: five R and it just keeps going the same direction.
[33:13] Speaker 4: They have to make new divisions for them because they're
[33:16] Speaker 4: too competitive or they're too good, and it just, you know,
[33:20] Speaker 4: it's a it's a fascinating story. It's I I specifically
[33:24] Speaker 4: like the the later generation to see five R to
[33:26] Speaker 4: SR that Corvette racing, the factory back Corvette racing. That
[33:31] Speaker 4: story is just fascinating because it was a family. You know,
[33:34] Speaker 4: you had Doug fie Han, you know who oversaw as
[33:38] Speaker 4: as for the entire group, and then these drivers they
[33:41] Speaker 4: kept coming back. Andy Pilgrim, Dale earnhard Dale Earner Junior
[33:45] Speaker 4: raced you know at Daytona at one point, and then
[33:49] Speaker 4: Oliver Gavin and you know all these all these great
[33:51] Speaker 4: race car drivers that that won these amazing races and
[33:56] Speaker 4: beat Ferrari and Lamborghini and Aston Martin. So it's a
[34:02] Speaker 4: it's a great story, and that's something that we're definitely
[34:04] Speaker 4: working on for an exhibition of a larger scale exhibition
[34:07] Speaker 4: here at the museum because the personalities involved are just
[34:11] Speaker 4: outrageous and so much fun, and it's gonna be great.
[34:16] Speaker 1: I think some of the some of the most eccentric,
[34:19] Speaker 1: wildest people I've met have been in car circles kind
[34:22] Speaker 1: of like what you're describing. I mean, there's so many stories,
[34:26] Speaker 1: especially in the history of American sports car racing. It's
[34:30] Speaker 1: just you're so right. I can't wait to see how
[34:33] Speaker 1: you guys tell that story, because there's already wild characters.
[34:38] Speaker 4: That's wild. I mean, right next door we have Andy
[34:41] Speaker 4: Pilgrim's doing oral history for us. You know, he drove
[34:44] Speaker 4: a Lamar with Dale Earnhard and I remember talking to
[34:47] Speaker 4: him being like Dale heard he's a guttural, visceral driver.
[34:51] Speaker 4: He's just going off as instincte. Andy Pilgrim is highly intelligent.
[34:55] Speaker 4: He was a computer software engineer, you know, so he's
[34:58] Speaker 4: looking at it two different ways. So yeah, there's a
[35:02] Speaker 4: lot of different personalities that we.
[35:04] Speaker 1: Can explore for sure, Robert, how closely does the museum
[35:09] Speaker 1: work with the actual automaker? Are you guys in close contact?
[35:14] Speaker 1: You mentioned a delivery program that you guys have. How
[35:18] Speaker 1: much back and forth is there?
[35:21] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot. We have members of our board
[35:25] Speaker 4: that are part of GM from the plant as well
[35:29] Speaker 4: as Upham Michigan. We work with them constantly. They're very
[35:35] Speaker 4: supportive of the museum and you know, from our perspective,
[35:40] Speaker 4: it gives us something to shoot for as far as
[35:43] Speaker 4: the way that they operate. So we want to try
[35:48] Speaker 4: to keep in line with the brand, which is, you know,
[35:52] Speaker 4: unlike any other car main here in America. So if
[35:55] Speaker 4: we can have that as people walk into the museum
[35:58] Speaker 4: and that's what they expect, that we're doing a good job.
[36:03] Speaker 4: But yeah, they're they're a great partner for us.
[36:05] Speaker 1: Okay, So my next question, of course, is we need
[36:08] Speaker 1: some gossip. You know, what can you tell us about
[36:11] Speaker 1: the Corvette Zora. You know, is this happening? You know
[36:15] Speaker 1: maybe a Corvette SUV. Who knows the rumor mill is
[36:19] Speaker 1: rife with this this type of thing. What can you
[36:21] Speaker 1: tell us?
[36:22] Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we hear. We definitely hear all the rumors
[36:25] Speaker 4: for sure. That's a I feel like we're a meeting
[36:29] Speaker 4: place for that, I bet, you know, Like I said,
[36:33] Speaker 4: we're partners with GM, we work with them a lot,
[36:36] Speaker 4: but you know, we're not in Studio X designing the
[36:40] Speaker 4: C ten Corvette, you know. So it's it's a bit
[36:42] Speaker 4: of a as much of a surprise for us as
[36:45] Speaker 4: everybody else. You know, when these cars come out, Like
[36:50] Speaker 4: I said, they're always pushing the envelope. So I'm sure
[36:52] Speaker 4: whatever is coming next is going to be even better
[36:55] Speaker 4: than what was before.
[36:56] Speaker 2: So they have to have an suv coming soon, right,
[36:58] Speaker 2: I mean, is that aially announced?
[37:02] Speaker 4: I don't think there's nothing official, you know, And there's
[37:07] Speaker 4: going back to the whole you know thought of the
[37:10] Speaker 4: front engine versus mid engine, you know, or is this
[37:14] Speaker 4: is America's sports car, which is a two seater car,
[37:17] Speaker 4: and suddenly you get into SUVs and things like that.
[37:22] Speaker 2: But it could be a don't standalone brand easily, right
[37:24] Speaker 2: if Mustang can be.
[37:27] Speaker 3: A pony car.
[37:28] Speaker 1: But are we happy about that? Are we happy about
[37:30] Speaker 1: the Mustang SUI?
[37:32] Speaker 2: I am not terribly, but I know that it's a
[37:36] Speaker 2: good business idea to break out such a successful model
[37:41] Speaker 2: into a brand, right, I keep waiting for Corvette to
[37:44] Speaker 2: do that, and it seems like it's inevitable.
[37:47] Speaker 4: Yeah, your guess is as good as mine, I'll say that.
[37:51] Speaker 2: Really, I don't think I guess it's quite as good
[37:54] Speaker 2: as yours, right Mark? Mark Royce never comes over to
[37:58] Speaker 2: my house, and I'll bet he's down there. Yeah, I
[38:01] Speaker 2: think I've read that it could be the SUV built
[38:05] Speaker 2: on the same platform as the CT five, the Cadillac.
[38:11] Speaker 3: Platform, which would be cool because you could have a
[38:15] Speaker 3: manual transmission.
[38:16] Speaker 2: Doesn't it kind of break your heart that the C
[38:18] Speaker 2: eight isn't offered in any way in a manual transmission.
[38:23] Speaker 4: It is a little bit. I mean, we have the
[38:25] Speaker 4: last manual Corvette in the Skytome, and it's it is
[38:29] Speaker 4: a little heartbreaking. I'm personally, I'm a big fan of what.
[38:33] Speaker 1: Is the last manual? What is the last manual Corvette?
[38:37] Speaker 4: It was a steam Ray C seven steam rangs in
[38:39] Speaker 4: twenty nineteen and rolled out the line and came right
[38:44] Speaker 4: over here. But yeah, I you know, I know panel
[38:49] Speaker 4: shifting is a thing for some people, but there's something
[38:53] Speaker 4: about to take control over the clutch and the and
[38:57] Speaker 4: the stick that makes you feel like you're part of
[38:59] Speaker 4: the car. I don't know you're in control.
[39:02] Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. I won't put you
[39:04] Speaker 1: on the spot, Robert, because I can tell you're a
[39:06] Speaker 1: very diplomatic and smart gentleman. But from the people who
[39:11] Speaker 1: not you, but the people who do come to the museum,
[39:15] Speaker 1: what is the feeling about a hybrid or even an
[39:20] Speaker 1: electric corvette? Obviously we know we're already in hybrid territory.
[39:26] Speaker 1: What are you hearing about opinions about whether a corvette
[39:32] Speaker 1: is real, if it's a hybrid or an electric.
[39:35] Speaker 4: I mean, that's a great question. I think that the
[39:37] Speaker 4: E Ray specifically really threw a lot of people for
[39:40] Speaker 4: a loop. They didn't understand what it was. We had
[39:45] Speaker 4: last April at our Bash, which is a big, you know,
[39:49] Speaker 4: convention of corvette owners. Tasjuginger came out and we had
[39:54] Speaker 4: Harley Charles and we had Peters, all these great corvette people.
[39:59] Speaker 4: But Tas got up and again somebody who's extremely intelligent
[40:03] Speaker 4: was able to explain, Hey, this the E Ray. You know,
[40:07] Speaker 4: the front motor, the electric motor, the battery and all
[40:09] Speaker 4: that stuff, it's not meant to be hybrid. You're not
[40:12] Speaker 4: getting better gas mileage. It's there for propulsion, it's there
[40:16] Speaker 4: to help forms of the car. So, you know, to
[40:21] Speaker 4: view it as a hybrid in the traditional sense of
[40:24] Speaker 4: the term, it's not completely accurate. Now when you're sitting
[40:28] Speaker 4: in it doing a launch, you can see why they
[40:30] Speaker 4: did it. I mean, you're going zero to sixty and
[40:33] Speaker 4: whatever it is. It's insane. You know, your your eyes
[40:36] Speaker 4: go at the.
[40:36] Speaker 3: Back of your skull so much grip.
[40:40] Speaker 4: Drive, Yeah, yeah, it's it's a little bit more kind
[40:45] Speaker 4: of utilitarian. Then you can drive it into snow and
[40:48] Speaker 4: you know, you can get those those especially snow tires
[40:50] Speaker 4: on it. I haven't done that, but that's what they say.
[40:54] Speaker 1: It'd be fun.
[40:55] Speaker 4: Fun would be fun. So yeah, I think it's just
[40:59] Speaker 4: at and people ask where you plug it in? Yeah,
[41:02] Speaker 4: of course, So it's just about education. And I think
[41:07] Speaker 4: once they understand, oh, I get it, this is a
[41:10] Speaker 4: high performance car. Yeah, really enjoyed.
[41:14] Speaker 1: So I think that totally makes sense. And you know,
[41:17] Speaker 1: we Matt and I talk about this with a lot
[41:20] Speaker 1: of luxury and sports cars that really the hybrid element,
[41:24] Speaker 1: like you say, is not about quote unquote going green
[41:28] Speaker 1: or saving gasoline. It's actually about performance. Yeah, and it
[41:35] Speaker 1: does noticeably enhance performance.
[41:38] Speaker 2: So what's to argue with in a way, Yeah, it's so,
[41:41] Speaker 2: I mean the acceleration is mind blowing and in a
[41:45] Speaker 2: much more visceral way than an all electric car, which
[41:49] Speaker 2: also which you know, may put even better numbers down,
[41:52] Speaker 2: But you just don't feel it the same way as
[41:54] Speaker 2: you do with the.
[41:57] Speaker 3: Six point two eight behind you.
[41:59] Speaker 2: It's I just think it's a it's such a cool offering.
[42:03] Speaker 2: So you have the right now with the C eight,
[42:06] Speaker 2: you have the sting ray, you have the z O six,
[42:09] Speaker 2: you have the E ray, and you have the z
[42:12] Speaker 2: L one right one, z R one Sorry, and then
[42:16] Speaker 2: Zora's next, is that right?
[42:19] Speaker 4: I have no idea?
[42:20] Speaker 1: Good that was a really good try. That was a
[42:22] Speaker 1: really good time, mat.
[42:23] Speaker 3: Robert, What do you have a favorite? Do you have
[42:25] Speaker 3: a favorite generation or a favorite addition?
[42:30] Speaker 4: That's a great that's a great question. I you know,
[42:33] Speaker 4: I love the look at the C two. I think
[42:37] Speaker 4: you know of the cars that we have on display now,
[42:39] Speaker 4: and this changes every day, so I ask me tomorrow
[42:42] Speaker 4: and it would be different. But we have an l
[42:44] Speaker 4: A D eight sixty nine black Home black convertible that
[42:48] Speaker 4: is just beautiful and that I mean, if I had
[42:51] Speaker 4: any car, I think that would be it, and especially
[42:55] Speaker 4: that's such a powerful car and a lot of history.
[42:59] Speaker 4: But but yeah, I mean you get into the big
[43:02] Speaker 4: blocks of the C two and uh, you know sixty
[43:05] Speaker 4: seven and and it's those are those are great cars.
[43:10] Speaker 4: And then you know the z R one, The ninety
[43:12] Speaker 4: z R one is also kind of nostalgic, you know.
[43:15] Speaker 4: For me, I'm an eighties kid, so I remember seeing those.
[43:19] Speaker 4: My uncle had one. You know, that's the coolest car ever.
[43:24] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, again, it changes every day.
[43:26] Speaker 2: So can you can you pick a car from the
[43:28] Speaker 2: museum and take them home on the weekends or yeah,
[43:33] Speaker 2: we have a fleet, so.
[43:34] Speaker 4: We have an education kind of a fleet of cars,
[43:39] Speaker 4: a C three through a C eight, and then we
[43:42] Speaker 4: use those for trips we go on you know, education outreach,
[43:46] Speaker 4: we go to schools and and that kind of thing.
[43:50] Speaker 4: The collections cars, no, no, those are those are highly
[43:54] Speaker 4: protected by our Collections team and cared for so they
[43:58] Speaker 4: are all in working order, are objective. We wanted to
[44:01] Speaker 4: be alive and sitting there rotting, so they're maintained on
[44:06] Speaker 4: a regular schedule and driven periodically just to keep things moving.
[44:12] Speaker 1: You know what's really weird. And I just remember this,
[44:17] Speaker 1: and Robert, you reminded me when you said, like everyone's
[44:20] Speaker 1: uncle had a Corvette. I had the pink Barbie Corvette
[44:23] Speaker 1: when I was growing up cool and that might have
[44:25] Speaker 1: act and I don't think about it, but that might
[44:28] Speaker 1: have had a real subconscious influence on me because I
[44:31] Speaker 1: ended up owning a Corvette. And you're kind of right.
[44:34] Speaker 1: They just kind of pervade culture in a way. Especially
[44:37] Speaker 1: I was born in the eighties too. That is so funny.
[44:41] Speaker 1: I just thought of that.
[44:42] Speaker 3: But that she's born in the eighties is it for
[44:47] Speaker 3: somebody in my generation?
[44:50] Speaker 1: But yeah, I love that Corvette.
[44:53] Speaker 4: The pop culture thing, it's like totally I came from
[44:56] Speaker 4: and I was a Disney Archive for almost ten years.
[45:00] Speaker 4: You look at a brand like Dad, who has also
[45:03] Speaker 4: entered the culture, American culture. There's a few brands that
[45:08] Speaker 4: have done it, but Corvette is definitely one of them.
[45:10] Speaker 4: I think that's something you grow up with.
[45:12] Speaker 1: Do you think he agreed with you or me about
[45:14] Speaker 1: the supercar thing.
[45:16] Speaker 3: It felt like he.
[45:17] Speaker 2: Didn't really have a strong opinion one way or the other.
[45:21] Speaker 2: And I should have asked if he'd been a Corvette
[45:24] Speaker 2: fan from birth or if this was one, we should
[45:28] Speaker 2: have asked that too, But I think so. He used
[45:32] Speaker 2: to work for Disney and then he ran like the
[45:34] Speaker 2: San Diego Historical Society or something. So it's like, you know,
[45:38] Speaker 2: his job isn't as an automotive engineer, and he's not
[45:41] Speaker 2: in actually a fanboy.
[45:43] Speaker 3: It's about the archives and the museum.
[45:45] Speaker 2: Stuff, which is cool, actually, no, totally awesome, and I'm
[45:48] Speaker 2: psyched for the Corvette Museum that they got him. I
[45:51] Speaker 2: think he was a big get for them. But it
[45:54] Speaker 2: didn't seem like he had a passionate opinion on the
[45:57] Speaker 2: supercar argument, which obviously you and I both have strong
[46:00] Speaker 2: takes on that we are not letting touch it again.
[46:04] Speaker 1: I am clenching. I'm definitely I will die on this hill, Hannah. Look,
[46:09] Speaker 1: this will be my final comment for today, well at
[46:13] Speaker 1: least for the next five minutes. Just because something performs
[46:17] Speaker 1: like a supercar doesn't make it a supercar, man.
[46:22] Speaker 2: I don't. I think if it performs like a supercar
[46:25] Speaker 2: and if it looks like a supercar, it has to
[46:29] Speaker 2: be a supercar.
[46:31] Speaker 1: Maybe people should ride in and let us know what
[46:33] Speaker 1: they think. Obviously we've brought this up before, but yes,
[46:36] Speaker 1: it seems to be an ongoing debate.
[46:37] Speaker 2: The email address is hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.
[46:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[46:42] Speaker 2: I mean the other thing is I think there's a
[46:45] Speaker 2: real split from Corvette or a couple right the first
[46:49] Speaker 2: as far as I understand that, at least the first two,
[46:51] Speaker 2: possibly the first three generations, we're body on frame. Then
[46:56] Speaker 2: it seemed like they didn't get super serious about it
[47:01] Speaker 2: kind of C six, But really C seven was when
[47:03] Speaker 2: they were like, you know what, we're investing a lot
[47:05] Speaker 2: of money to make this a really serious car course
[47:09] Speaker 2: overcoming manufacturing and quality issues, and that's.
[47:13] Speaker 1: A pretty recent development in the history of the car.
[47:16] Speaker 1: Like that's kind of where I'm like, yes, they made
[47:19] Speaker 1: they made some that are very fast, supercar like performers,
[47:24] Speaker 1: but like in the in the history of that model line,
[47:27] Speaker 1: that's pretty recent.
[47:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, And well, he mentions Tad Tad Juchtter, who I
[47:33] Speaker 2: think really along with Mary Bara and Mark Royce, you know,
[47:37] Speaker 2: they decided this is going to be We're really going
[47:40] Speaker 2: to put our money where our mouths are, Yeah.
[47:42] Speaker 1: Which I love. I totally respect that, And I do
[47:45] Speaker 1: think the Corvette in general is criminally under respected, like
[47:50] Speaker 1: nobody respects the VET and every time I drive mine,
[47:55] Speaker 1: I'm like, why aren't more people looking at me, honking
[47:59] Speaker 1: at me, giving me thumbs up? I'm like, what do
[48:01] Speaker 1: I have to do to get attention around here? I mean,
[48:03] Speaker 1: such a cool car, don't they really don't. It's weird.
[48:07] Speaker 1: I told someone that and he's like, well, you need
[48:08] Speaker 1: to take the tea tops off, more like you need
[48:10] Speaker 1: to get your hair out. Like it's such a good,
[48:12] Speaker 1: fun like icon of American auto manufacturing, and I feel.
[48:18] Speaker 2: Like it is not respect I feel like though, adding that,
[48:21] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to overstep any hr allignes,
[48:25] Speaker 2: but like atomic blonde with sure bright lipstick, you know,
[48:29] Speaker 2: driving the Corvette, what do I have to do?
[48:31] Speaker 3: I feel like that is definitely at least a thumbs up.
[48:34] Speaker 1: I get nothing. I'm telling you, I get more in
[48:36] Speaker 1: that old huge Rolls Royce cruising at fifteen miles an
[48:40] Speaker 1: hour than I.
[48:41] Speaker 4: Do in the car.
[48:42] Speaker 2: And by the way, do you think you must think
[48:45] Speaker 2: that it's the C three is going to jump in value?
[48:49] Speaker 1: Right? Honestly made so many of them, though, but there
[48:53] Speaker 1: it's been a while. I'm telling you from experience, you
[48:56] Speaker 1: can go out to the Pomona swap me and pick
[48:58] Speaker 1: one up for fifteen dollars. You can go to Corvette
[49:01] Speaker 1: Mics and pick one up for twenty thousand bucks. They're
[49:05] Speaker 1: kind of at least in it. I do believe LA
[49:07] Speaker 1: is a bubble, but they're kind of everywhere. They're so prominent,
[49:11] Speaker 1: and most of them were not really cared for. So
[49:15] Speaker 1: many of them are ropey and rough that I don't
[49:18] Speaker 1: I honestly, I wish they would jump in value. But
[49:21] Speaker 1: unless you have one that is really truly in mint
[49:24] Speaker 1: condition chrome bumper early in the generation, I don't necessarily
[49:30] Speaker 1: think it's gonna.
[49:31] Speaker 3: Be But if you have a Cherry Seed.
[49:33] Speaker 1: Three manual, of course it has to be like mine.
[49:39] Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to gain much, but I
[49:41] Speaker 1: drive it because I love it.
[49:43] Speaker 2: That's the right way to do it. Yeah, well, I
[49:46] Speaker 2: absolutely uh. I love the story and too. Starting with
[49:52] Speaker 2: the you know, C six was the first one that
[49:54] Speaker 2: I drove really and I thought it was brutal and
[49:58] Speaker 2: so much fun and you could ease kick out the
[50:00] Speaker 2: rear end, but maybe a little dangerous, you know, from
[50:05] Speaker 2: my experience at the time, it definitely was. Then I
[50:08] Speaker 2: went through the whole C seven covering GM very closely
[50:11] Speaker 2: and interviewing Mary Barr a lot, and you know, it
[50:13] Speaker 2: was a baby for her and for Mark, and so
[50:18] Speaker 2: I felt really connected to that car. And I drove
[50:20] Speaker 2: it on a lot, drove it on the track a lot,
[50:23] Speaker 2: and I thought it was so cool, but still totally
[50:26] Speaker 2: a Corvette. And then when C eight came out, I
[50:29] Speaker 2: thought at the time, like, that's not cool as a
[50:33] Speaker 2: as maybe a bit of a purist. I thought, that's
[50:35] Speaker 2: not okay to put the engine in the back. And yeah,
[50:39] Speaker 2: but now that I've driven it, I am one over surely,
[50:44] Speaker 2: and I it's definitely on a very short list of
[50:47] Speaker 2: cars that I want to buy personally in the next
[50:50] Speaker 2: couple of years.
[50:50] Speaker 3: It's on there, like right next to the CT five
[50:54] Speaker 3: Black Wing.
[50:55] Speaker 1: I think the C eight might be the center of
[50:58] Speaker 1: r Vin diagram in terms of the cars that we
[51:00] Speaker 1: each would personally own, because there are lots of cars
[51:03] Speaker 1: that you want to own that I don't need, and
[51:05] Speaker 1: vice versa. But the C eight seems like for both
[51:07] Speaker 1: of us falls in the middle, and I totally agree.
[51:11] Speaker 1: I would one hundred percent buy that car for myself
[51:13] Speaker 1: if I had the money, which I don't, but you know,
[51:16] Speaker 1: I totally agree. It's so much car for the money,
[51:19] Speaker 1: and it's really fun and it's so sexy.
[51:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm a drug runner, you know,
[51:25] Speaker 2: from the nineteen eighties when I'm driving it the convertible
[51:29] Speaker 2: at night, you know, and the interior just fits like
[51:32] Speaker 2: a glove and I don't know, it just it's the
[51:38] Speaker 2: only problem I have with it is that there's no
[51:41] Speaker 2: three pedal version, and that kind of bothers me because,
[51:45] Speaker 2: like I say, the CT five V black Wing is
[51:48] Speaker 2: also on that very short list because it checks every
[51:51] Speaker 2: box except for the sexy. It's like a terribly unattractive vehicle,
[51:57] Speaker 2: but it has a super charged V a stick shift,
[52:01] Speaker 2: and it handles like it's on rails. Like I just
[52:04] Speaker 2: wish they would marry those two things and give me
[52:07] Speaker 2: a three pedal Corvette.
[52:12] Speaker 3: Not gonna happen, I know.
[52:14] Speaker 2: Well, I got my I got a list from one
[52:16] Speaker 2: of my buddies who runs a press fleet management company.
[52:22] Speaker 2: He gave me a list of potential cars to drive
[52:25] Speaker 2: in the next few months, and a plane Jane Stingray
[52:29] Speaker 2: was on there, which I've never driven because I've been
[52:32] Speaker 2: in the Z six and the E Ray, but I've
[52:35] Speaker 2: never driven just the base Stingray and I really want
[52:39] Speaker 2: to drive it because I want to spend as little
[52:41] Speaker 2: money as possible and get as much as I can
[52:43] Speaker 2: like everybody else. So I think that could be could
[52:47] Speaker 2: be the answer, and I'm excited.
[52:48] Speaker 3: There's also hear some.
[52:50] Speaker 2: Other cool trucks that I got on that list. There's
[52:55] Speaker 2: the Ram, you know, in their new sort of no
[52:59] Speaker 2: more Va. They have the Hurricane in line six in
[53:02] Speaker 2: their what like what would be a t t r X.
[53:06] Speaker 3: I'm gonna drive that one. I'm pretty excited about that.
[53:10] Speaker 3: What about you?
[53:11] Speaker 1: What do you?
[53:11] Speaker 3: What do you got? Well?
[53:14] Speaker 1: I I think I mentioned I'm getting a Vanquish h
[53:17] Speaker 1: Yes next week and some more Mercedes I'm going I'm
[53:22] Speaker 1: gonna be driving. I don't think I told you the
[53:25] Speaker 1: Escalade IQ weet Escalaid in February in La So and
[53:31] Speaker 1: the Optic so I'm very excited and curious about those.
[53:35] Speaker 1: I'm an Escalade fan.
[53:38] Speaker 3: It's gonna be amazing, I hope, I hope.
[53:40] Speaker 1: So it's going to weigh so much. I'm scared about
[53:42] Speaker 1: how the weight.
[53:44] Speaker 2: I like.
[53:44] Speaker 1: I saw it a pre last year. We saw like
[53:48] Speaker 1: an early prototype. I didn't drive it, but I saw
[53:50] Speaker 1: it here in LA and it's looks very cool, very Escalaid,
[53:54] Speaker 1: very Cadillac, but it's so so big. I'm a little
[53:57] Speaker 1: worried about the weight, but I can't wait to find
[53:59] Speaker 1: out for myself. So that's Those are the kind of
[54:03] Speaker 1: the things the car wise, I just got off the
[54:06] Speaker 1: phone this morning with Rolls Royce. They were announcing their numbers.
[54:10] Speaker 1: Did you talk with Chris brown Ridge.
[54:12] Speaker 3: I will have spoken with him by the time this
[54:15] Speaker 3: podcast comes out.
[54:16] Speaker 1: So that's not embargoed. Right, we can talk about Rolls Royce.
[54:19] Speaker 2: Yes, right, he's coming on well, so we're recording this
[54:21] Speaker 2: on Tuesday. He's coming on my TV show on Wednesday,
[54:24] Speaker 2: and then we're putting.
[54:25] Speaker 4: This out on Friday.
[54:26] Speaker 1: So you want to talk about Rolls Royce numbers.
[54:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I mean, I mean go.
[54:32] Speaker 1: It seemed like, well basically just I literally just got
[54:34] Speaker 1: off the call. It seemed like the top note is
[54:37] Speaker 1: they were down slightly. This is their third highest year
[54:41] Speaker 1: on record for sales. They delivered fifty seven hundred cars globally.
[54:46] Speaker 1: They don't seem that concerned. I mean, they're spinning it
[54:50] Speaker 1: like their in their margins are increasing. They had a
[54:53] Speaker 1: ten percent increase in bespoke cars last year, so while
[54:58] Speaker 1: their volume is down slightly, the profits on their cars
[55:02] Speaker 1: is probably up. And then they've said that they're going
[55:06] Speaker 1: to spend three hundred and seventy million dollars on expanding goodwood,
[55:11] Speaker 1: mostly so that they can have more space to build
[55:13] Speaker 1: these really expensive bespoke commissions. So again they're not going
[55:17] Speaker 1: to expand their volume, but they're investing more in creating
[55:21] Speaker 1: space to make these like multimillion dollar cars.
[55:25] Speaker 2: And that's the direction, that's clearly the direction that the
[55:29] Speaker 2: luxury vehicle manufacturers are all going. Right. None of them
[55:32] Speaker 2: are hidden sort of record deliveries except for Lambeau and uh,
[55:37] Speaker 2: they're all trying to do a lot more personalization, a
[55:40] Speaker 2: lot more paint to sample a lot more like beyond
[55:43] Speaker 2: paint to sample right total like like you.
[55:46] Speaker 1: Know, beyond paint, it would be like creating some sort
[55:50] Speaker 1: of silk painted headliner that is a portrait of somebody's dog,
[55:56] Speaker 1: like in the top of the car, or like it,
[55:59] Speaker 1: you know, Cigar, a human err and I made out
[56:02] Speaker 1: of wood from your property in France that you've cut
[56:06] Speaker 1: down and sent to the factory so that they can
[56:09] Speaker 1: use your elm trees in your own person. I mean,
[56:12] Speaker 1: it's like really crazy stuff. The other thing that was
[56:15] Speaker 1: really surprising to me as I went into the call
[56:19] Speaker 1: really wanting to ask about Specter, which is there? Yeah, right,
[56:24] Speaker 1: because like I drove it in Cape Town it was awesome.
[56:28] Speaker 1: We kind of haven't heard a lot about it, and obviously,
[56:31] Speaker 1: as we know, evs are in a in a roller
[56:35] Speaker 1: coaster right now. They wouldn't tell me how many Specters
[56:39] Speaker 1: they they delivered last year, but they did say that
[56:42] Speaker 1: it was the second most delivered vehicle from Rolls Royce
[56:47] Speaker 1: behind colanin Ohl is the top col Um No, it
[56:53] Speaker 1: went Colon in Specter Ghost Phantom. Isn't that wild?
[56:58] Speaker 3: That's crazy?
[56:58] Speaker 4: I know.
[57:00] Speaker 1: I was very surprised.
[57:02] Speaker 2: Somebody here at seven thirty one Lex has a culin
[57:04] Speaker 2: in not not at Bloomberg. Not at Bloomberg, Okay, as
[57:08] Speaker 2: somebody who lives in the building in like the Penhouse.
[57:10] Speaker 3: I'm sure no.
[57:11] Speaker 1: Beyonce used to live in the Penthouse, right, and.
[57:14] Speaker 2: A bunch of Yankees like Johnny Damon, I've had places here.
[57:18] Speaker 2: Peter TiAl had an apartment here, like very wealthy people.
[57:21] Speaker 1: I still really like Johnny Damon. He was like my
[57:23] Speaker 1: favorite player.
[57:24] Speaker 2: There are people who could have one, but still I
[57:26] Speaker 2: only see one here in the in the courtyard and
[57:29] Speaker 2: one in the garage across street. I just don't see
[57:32] Speaker 2: him very often. But to be fair, in New York,
[57:34] Speaker 2: you don't really see Rolls Royces that often.
[57:38] Speaker 3: I'm sure.
[57:39] Speaker 1: Do you think that's because of image? Like like you
[57:44] Speaker 1: just feel like a bit of a too, like A
[57:46] Speaker 1: I don't jerk think so.
[57:48] Speaker 3: I think A.
[57:49] Speaker 2: It's New York, so not as many people are driving
[57:53] Speaker 2: status symbols as LA or London b You're guaranteed to
[57:59] Speaker 2: get bum keyed, you know. Fender benders are highly likely,
[58:07] Speaker 2: and the New England weather isn't great for you know, rust.
[58:12] Speaker 2: And I'm sure that a lot of New Yorkers have
[58:14] Speaker 2: Rolls Royces and keep them in Palm Beach, you know,
[58:17] Speaker 2: that would make sense.
[58:18] Speaker 3: But they just aren't for the city.
[58:20] Speaker 2: In the city, you just get if you have a driver, right,
[58:23] Speaker 2: you just get like a Yukon or escalating that.
[58:26] Speaker 1: New York fantasy.
[58:28] Speaker 2: All right, cool, Well that's all we got for this week.
[58:30] Speaker 2: But we look forward to hearing No, wait, we look
[58:34] Speaker 2: forward to you hearing us.
[58:36] Speaker 1: We look forward to you hearing us next week. Yeah,
[58:39] Speaker 1: something it feels like a conversation between us and the listeners.
[58:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so I guess that's it. I'm Matt Miller,
[58:47] Speaker 3: I'm
[58:47] Speaker 1: Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.

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