# RIP… D.E.I. with Ruha Benjamin

An episode of [What Now? with Trevor Noah](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1710609544), 13 Feb 2025, 1 h 20 min.

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Trevor and Christiana speak with professor, sociologist, and MacArthur Fellowship winner Ruha Benjamin about some of the pressing political and social issues of the day. The three discuss whether DEI initiatives are in fact valuable and how the world will look without them, why universities honor people whose voices they’ve previously tried to silence, and how best to navigate a world that was not built for us. Can the three collectively imagine a better world order? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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