# If I Ruled the World: Creating Chaos with Anele and Sizwe

An episode of [What Now? with Trevor Noah](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1710609544), 19 Jun 2025, 1 h 16 min.

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This round of If I Ruled the World is going down in South Africa. Trevor invites friends-of-the-show Anele Mdoda and Sizwe Dhlomo to give ruling the world a try. Elections. Human Connection. Mandatory commuting. It’s all in the timing. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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