# Mustafa Suleyman: Will AI Save Humanity or End It?

An episode of [What Now? with Trevor Noah](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1710609544), 18 Sep 2025, 1 h 45 min.

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Trevor (who is also Microsoft’s “Chief Questions Officer”) and Mustafa Suleyman, CEO of Microsoft AI and co-founder of Google’s DeepMind do a deep dive into whether the benefits of AI to the human race outweigh its unprecedented risks. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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