# Nicola Elliott: The 4 Areas to Focus On To Improve Your Health and a Guide to Essential Oils for Energy, Focus and Better Sleep

An episode of [A Really Good Cry](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1708895338), 31 Dec 2024, 1 h 03 min.

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What if the candles you love are secretly harming your health? In this episode of A Really Good Cry, I’m chatting with Nicola Eliott, the incredible founder of NEOM Organics and one of my favorite people in the wellness space. Nicola’s journey is so inspiring—from working in the fast-paced world of journalism to creating a brand that’s all about natural living and well-being. We talk about the four pillars of wellness—sleep, stress, mood, and energy—and how even the smallest changes in your routine can make a huge difference. Nicola also breaks down the hidden dangers of synthetic candles (yes, they can be toxic!) and shares how the right essential oils can uplift your mood, boost your energy, and help you sleep better. If you’re ready to create a home and a life that feels calmer, happier, and more balanced, this episode is for you. What We Discuss: • 00:00 Intro • 00:43 The birth of NEOM • 07:08 The surprising dangers of paraffin wax candles • 09:33 What makes candles toxic • 12:46 Toxins in everyday scents • 16:18 Why stress shows up in unexpected ways • 25:15 The top 3 essential oils to melt away stress • 27:25 How scent and spice can transform your day • 28:46 Respect your sleep • 34:23 Other ways to absorb natural essential oils • 36:46 The harm of taking melatonin • 39:45 Track your sleep • 42:00 Understanding what fuels your energy • 46:03 Essential oils to give you energy • 48:46 Scent that feels like home • 51:19 How to elevate your mood naturally • 55:20 Nicola’s non-negotiables for wellness • 57:28 Quick fire questions Follow Nicola: • https://www.instagram.com/nicolaelliottneom/ • https://uk.linkedin.com/in/nicola-elliott-82808933 • https://neomwellbeing.com/ Follow Radhi: • https://www.instagram.com/radhidevlukia/ • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxWe9A4kMf9V_AHOXkGhCzQ • https://www.facebook.com/radhidevlukia1/ • https://www.tiktok.com/@radhidevlukia See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: We can get used to our normality being at a
[0:03] Speaker 1: high stress level and believing that that is what normality is.
[0:07] Speaker 2: What we all want in the Western world. Is his
[0:10] Speaker 2: five things you can do to stop stress. Well, the
[0:12] Speaker 2: reality is your five things will be different to mine.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Welcome to the pard Nicola Elliott.
[0:16] Speaker 2: She is the.
[0:17] Speaker 3: Founder of Neon well Being and one of the biggest
[0:19] Speaker 3: wellness brands in the UK and now she's the author
[0:22] Speaker 3: of Four Ways to well Being, where she breaks down
[0:25] Speaker 3: how we can get better sleep, less stress, more energy
[0:27] Speaker 3: and the mood boost.
[0:28] Speaker 1: What you're doing right now is setting you up for
[0:30] Speaker 1: ten years time. What you do in ten years time
[0:32] Speaker 1: is setting you up for next ten years. And so
[0:34] Speaker 1: that's the same with stress. It's wearing and tearing away
[0:36] Speaker 1: at you, just as old age does. But stress does
[0:39] Speaker 1: the same thing and you're going to notice it at
[0:41] Speaker 1: a time where it will be so much harder to
[0:43] Speaker 1: come back from.
[0:44] Speaker 2: Mostly, your body understands what feeling calm feels like. You
[0:49] Speaker 2: have an internal blueprint that your body can back exactly.
[0:53] Speaker 2: It's really important for your body to be reminded in
[0:56] Speaker 2: this fast paced world what good looks like, because if
[0:59] Speaker 2: your body understands what feeling calm, feels like then you
[1:03] Speaker 2: have a sort of blueprint that keeps your barometer working.
[1:07] Speaker 1: Essentially, I'm Radi Wlukiah and on my podcast a Really
[1:13] Speaker 1: Good Cry, we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing
[1:17] Speaker 1: a space for raw, unfiltered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and
[1:21] Speaker 1: allow you to tune in to learn, connect and find
[1:24] Speaker 1: comfort together. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you
[1:27] Speaker 1: everyone for listening and coming back again to this podcast.
[1:31] Speaker 1: Have such an amazing guest today for anyone who doesn't know,
[1:35] Speaker 1: her name is Nikola. And when you come to my house,
[1:37] Speaker 1: basically there's either a scent from them. It's called Neon
[1:40] Speaker 1: by the way, there's a scent from them, or a
[1:41] Speaker 1: candle always burning in this house. And there are so
[1:44] Speaker 1: many reasons why I love it. But first I want
[1:47] Speaker 1: everyone to understand me. I'm a little bit more and
[1:49] Speaker 1: understand you. So give me a breakdown of how Neon
[1:52] Speaker 1: started and what brought you to this incredible company.
[1:57] Speaker 2: Thank you for the intro.
[1:58] Speaker 1: I love that I do.
[2:00] Speaker 2: You were two minutes intro because any we are now
[2:03] Speaker 2: you know, eighteen years old as brand. So the story
[2:06] Speaker 2: is pretty long, which is funny because I think, you know,
[2:08] Speaker 2: certainly in the States people see this as a baby brand,
[2:11] Speaker 2: but we are absolutely not a baby brand. We've been
[2:13] Speaker 2: around for since two thousand and five.
[2:15] Speaker 1: I remember seeing your candles from they were I always
[2:18] Speaker 1: help me with this. Neon was my candles where I
[2:20] Speaker 1: would go to like John Lewis and the more expensive places,
[2:23] Speaker 1: and I'd be it would be the special gift that
[2:25] Speaker 1: I would get myself or someone else, Like I wouldn't
[2:27] Speaker 1: necessarily even buy it for me and maybe buy it
[2:29] Speaker 1: for my mum or buy it for someone, but it
[2:30] Speaker 1: was for me a luxury candle to get because of
[2:34] Speaker 1: how quality it was.
[2:36] Speaker 2: It's interesting because we actually get a lot of people
[2:38] Speaker 2: who come to Neon because it's been brought for them
[2:40] Speaker 2: as a gift, so that's always nice. So the story goes,
[2:43] Speaker 2: it was two thousand and five. I'd worked as a
[2:45] Speaker 2: journalist for eight years and I'd done celebrity, which you
[2:50] Speaker 2: know was really big back then. So I was doing
[2:53] Speaker 2: covers in New York, La London and it was brilliant,
[2:57] Speaker 2: really good fun. But lived on you know, very little sleep.
[3:01] Speaker 2: Three canapayes a night, thirty depending on that. But I
[3:06] Speaker 2: lived on canapees and was not looking after my health
[3:10] Speaker 2: and well being, and I think we forget that wasn't
[3:13] Speaker 2: It wasn't a word. Wellness, wasn't a word that we used,
[3:17] Speaker 2: not in the context that we use it now at all.
[3:20] Speaker 2: Back then, there were no health food chops. It wasn't
[3:24] Speaker 2: the norm to go to the gym. I mean, life
[3:26] Speaker 2: was incredibly different. It's really weird. Yeah, And so I
[3:30] Speaker 2: started actually having really bad anxiety, which similarly wasn't a
[3:34] Speaker 2: word that was used in the same way that it
[3:36] Speaker 2: is now. So that was even scarier because it's like,
[3:39] Speaker 2: what's happening A panic attack wasn't called a panic attack.
[3:44] Speaker 2: So when I started with anxiety, and funnily now, when
[3:48] Speaker 2: I look back, I think we talk about anxiety generally
[3:52] Speaker 2: coming on when something's happened in your life and there's
[3:56] Speaker 2: been some awful event. And there wasn't any awful event.
[3:59] Speaker 2: I just was doing too much. You went out, Yeah,
[4:02] Speaker 2: it's burnt out. And so I remember my mum saying,
[4:04] Speaker 2: you're just not looking after yourself. This is nothing more
[4:07] Speaker 2: than that. You're just not looking after yourself. You don't
[4:10] Speaker 2: see the sunlight, you don't move. What did you eat
[4:13] Speaker 2: for dinner last night? Yeah? Pasa pesto for like the
[4:16] Speaker 2: fourth night in a row. And so it was a
[4:19] Speaker 2: case of just looking after myself a bit better and
[4:23] Speaker 2: getting the basics right, and so as part of that
[4:26] Speaker 2: I became interested well. I actually, first of all, went
[4:29] Speaker 2: into the health food chop at the top of the
[4:30] Speaker 2: road and isn't to where I lived. I mean, it
[4:33] Speaker 2: was really crosty. I forget the name of it now,
[4:35] Speaker 2: but it certainly wasn't fresh and wild or air on
[4:37] Speaker 2: by any standards. It was like, you know, there was
[4:39] Speaker 2: two bananas in a basket. Outside the shop was ninety
[4:43] Speaker 2: five percent nuts, because that's all health food chops were
[4:45] Speaker 2: in those days. But at the back there was this
[4:47] Speaker 2: kind of really little essential oil collection, and I did
[4:52] Speaker 2: buy a bag of nuts and a banana, and I
[4:55] Speaker 2: also bought you know, some essential oils and thought this
[4:57] Speaker 2: is kind of interesting, and it was very open minded
[5:01] Speaker 2: about how I was going to look after myself. I
[5:03] Speaker 2: actually went on a courser whole foods course as well,
[5:07] Speaker 2: so became interested in nutrition and then and lastly trained
[5:10] Speaker 2: in both of those things. But it was about me,
[5:14] Speaker 2: nothing more complex than me realizing that I had reach burnout.
[5:20] Speaker 2: It was having these really awful effects on me, and
[5:24] Speaker 2: I just had to look after myself. And again we
[5:27] Speaker 2: talk about that in a much more I don't know,
[5:29] Speaker 2: a thoughtful way now. I suppose you know in twenty
[5:33] Speaker 2: twenty three, but back then we just didn't. So as
[5:37] Speaker 2: part of the messing around with the essential oils and
[5:40] Speaker 2: tinkering in my bathroom and creating blends, my friends all
[5:44] Speaker 2: asked me to create blends for them, And as I
[5:45] Speaker 2: looked around, I remember thinking my sister needed to help sleep,
[5:51] Speaker 2: my then boyfriend needed help with energy because he used
[5:54] Speaker 2: to play football and then not have any energy to
[5:56] Speaker 2: go out on a night, which was a crying shaw.
[5:59] Speaker 2: My flatmates offered with sort of hormone imbalances. And if
[6:02] Speaker 2: there was ever a light bulb for Neil, it was
[6:03] Speaker 2: really me thinking, actually, everyone I know seems to suffer
[6:08] Speaker 2: from one of those four well being deficits. I suppose
[6:13] Speaker 2: stress under all the ramifications of it, myself, poor sleep,
[6:18] Speaker 2: lack of it, you know, not good quality sleep, mood fluctuations,
[6:23] Speaker 2: or energy. And I thought, gosh, if everyone knew they
[6:27] Speaker 2: were the four pillars for you to sort of keep
[6:30] Speaker 2: in check, to look after. If everyone knew that, that
[6:35] Speaker 2: would be a game changer, and my little blends were really,
[6:39] Speaker 2: you know, a part of that toolkit that I was
[6:41] Speaker 2: creating for myself. So so that was really the thought
[6:47] Speaker 2: was to start. And then I thought, of course I
[6:48] Speaker 2: was going to start this huge beauty bandman, and I
[6:50] Speaker 2: had no money to do that, so that was never
[6:52] Speaker 2: going to happen. So that's why we started with four candles.
[6:55] Speaker 2: We've now got about one hundred and thirty seven skews today.
[6:57] Speaker 2: It's changing. We started with four candles because actually I
[7:02] Speaker 2: realized that to create those well being blends you had
[7:05] Speaker 2: to do them with one hundred percent natural plant toils.
[7:07] Speaker 2: Wasn't going to work. You weren't going to have the
[7:09] Speaker 2: saying benefit if you were using synthetic fragrances. And it
[7:12] Speaker 2: also stumbled across this fact that in the UK and
[7:14] Speaker 2: in the USA, and this has barely changed in all
[7:18] Speaker 2: that time, ninety seven percent of candles were made of
[7:21] Speaker 2: paraffin wax incentive with synthetic fragrances. So the idea was,
[7:25] Speaker 2: if we could create something that you know, when it
[7:28] Speaker 2: burned and it filled the air with the fragrance and
[7:30] Speaker 2: you breathed that fragrance in and it worked, that well
[7:32] Speaker 2: being benefit. Then they could be little treatments that you
[7:35] Speaker 2: could use at home. And we will very much talk
[7:38] Speaker 2: to people about creating this much richer toolkit. That will
[7:41] Speaker 2: be the mission we can help with it. But also
[7:44] Speaker 2: it was important to think about your food and your movement,
[7:46] Speaker 2: and we'll start this well being kind of movement, but
[7:49] Speaker 2: that these four, these force of tinctures that I've created,
[7:53] Speaker 2: these can be the kind of bedrock of it. So
[7:56] Speaker 2: it wasn't a fully formed idea, and I certainly couldn't
[7:59] Speaker 2: afford to do what I really wanted to do, But
[8:02] Speaker 2: I think the essence of what we were trying to
[8:03] Speaker 2: do is never changed in those eighteen years.
[8:06] Speaker 1: And that's honestly why I love the brand so much.
[8:08] Speaker 1: For me, I you know, I learned so much about
[8:11] Speaker 1: how food can affect the body, and how food can
[8:14] Speaker 1: impact your mood and your energy levels and all of
[8:16] Speaker 1: the above. But people think so much more about that
[8:19] Speaker 1: than what they're putting on their body or even breathing in.
[8:22] Speaker 1: And I remember when I used to have candles on.
[8:25] Speaker 1: You know, you put them on and maybe your bedroom
[8:27] Speaker 1: and all the windows would be shut. I'd get such
[8:29] Speaker 1: a bad headache from the candles and inhalation of it.
[8:32] Speaker 1: And even now whenever I get candles, I'm so specific
[8:35] Speaker 1: about looking at the ingredients. But for a lot of people,
[8:38] Speaker 1: they really don't know that.
[8:39] Speaker 2: People don't know. No, people don't know. And you know,
[8:42] Speaker 2: a paraffin WHITEX candle, which as I say, is the vast,
[8:44] Speaker 2: vast majority even luxury candles. You know, paraffine is a
[8:48] Speaker 2: crude oil driative and you're burning that in your home.
[8:50] Speaker 2: So it's a huge lack of information and knowledge about that.
[8:56] Speaker 2: And I think the real irony of it is that
[8:58] Speaker 2: people generally are buying candles to create a relaxing, lovely environment,
[9:04] Speaker 2: so you know. So I think it's really bizarre how
[9:08] Speaker 2: little people know. But I still find that when it
[9:10] Speaker 2: comes to the beauty industry in general, I was always
[9:14] Speaker 2: inspired by the food industry. I mean, I did traind
[9:16] Speaker 2: as and nutritionis I said at the same time as
[9:18] Speaker 2: a Roman therapist. But clearly, if you're bothered about how
[9:21] Speaker 2: you're feeling, what you're putting in your body, on your body,
[9:24] Speaker 2: they're all important elements and they all make a difference
[9:27] Speaker 2: to how you're going to feel. So it's the things
[9:30] Speaker 2: go hand in hand for me. But I was inspired
[9:32] Speaker 2: by the food industry and how much at that time
[9:36] Speaker 2: things were moving and people were becoming more educated and
[9:40] Speaker 2: more aware of what they were putting in their body,
[9:42] Speaker 2: and stores that were opening up and boxes that were
[9:44] Speaker 2: launching sort of to make sure that that was that
[9:48] Speaker 2: was being serviced. I don't think we've come anywhere near
[9:51] Speaker 2: as far in the beauty industry. And I think we
[9:53] Speaker 2: hit a really funny stumbling block when we started talking
[9:56] Speaker 2: about clean Beauty, which was a funny sort of label,
[10:00] Speaker 2: launched all these brands which were rather nice but not
[10:03] Speaker 2: really effective. Then women, because it typically is women buying
[10:08] Speaker 2: eighty seven percent of the household purchases. We're thinking, and
[10:12] Speaker 2: I get it. You know that face cream isn't really
[10:15] Speaker 2: working as well. The performance isn't there, the scent is
[10:17] Speaker 2: not as sophisticated. So we sort of seem to take
[10:19] Speaker 2: two steps forward and almost two steps back. Yeah, So
[10:23] Speaker 2: it's been a bit sad with beauty, and so I
[10:25] Speaker 2: always think, do your research. I'm not going to say
[10:29] Speaker 2: to you that's right, that's not right, but for goodness sake,
[10:32] Speaker 2: do your research. I agree.
[10:33] Speaker 1: I think education is what's lacking, and so when it
[10:36] Speaker 1: comes to candles and for people who may not have
[10:38] Speaker 1: even thought about the fact that candles could be toxic.
[10:40] Speaker 1: What are the things you think people should be looking
[10:43] Speaker 1: out for when they're buying, because you know, there are
[10:45] Speaker 1: so many candles you really it's like natural story wags.
[10:47] Speaker 1: But then the fragrances are synthetic, and so could you
[10:51] Speaker 1: give a rundop maybe just a couple of things that
[10:53] Speaker 1: people should be looking for when they are buying to
[10:56] Speaker 1: know a good quality candle and so when they see.
[10:58] Speaker 2: It, well, the principle is very much the same as
[11:00] Speaker 2: if you were buying, you know, a home baked organic
[11:02] Speaker 2: cookie or you know, something made in a factory. Essentially,
[11:06] Speaker 2: people are trying to cut costs where they can. They're
[11:08] Speaker 2: trying to create something with a big profit margin that
[11:11] Speaker 2: they've got control over how it turns out when they
[11:14] Speaker 2: press the button one hundred thousand. I understand that from
[11:16] Speaker 2: a business point of view. So you have to understand
[11:18] Speaker 2: making a synthetic candle out of paraffin, wax and synthetic
[11:22] Speaker 2: fragrances is a lot cheaper. It's also a lot easier
[11:25] Speaker 2: for me to continue producing minor pain. You know, I
[11:28] Speaker 2: have different batches of orange that looks and smells and
[11:32] Speaker 2: feels and works in one way one month and not
[11:35] Speaker 2: the next month. And I have to put in our
[11:37] Speaker 2: standard three whig candles four bottles.
[11:40] Speaker 1: Are you telling me that I was so impressed by that?
[11:44] Speaker 1: It's four bottles of essential oils, but high grade, high quality.
[11:49] Speaker 2: First first pressed. You know, steam distilled the best essential oils.
[11:55] Speaker 2: But so you have to understand that is a pain
[11:57] Speaker 2: for understanding the principle of that you're trying to create
[12:00] Speaker 2: make money at a business. It's much easier to spend
[12:03] Speaker 2: your money on a really swanky advertising campaign and then
[12:06] Speaker 2: and then produce them. So if you understand that, then
[12:09] Speaker 2: you can see where people are coming from and why
[12:12] Speaker 2: you know people are producing things cheaper. It is the
[12:15] Speaker 2: vast majority that are paraffin wax, so we would always
[12:18] Speaker 2: be asking for the base to start with. There's lots
[12:21] Speaker 2: of different ways that you can make natural basis. We
[12:24] Speaker 2: use a mix. We use a mix of soy bees, rapeseed,
[12:27] Speaker 2: different oils, different waxes. But any natural base that I
[12:32] Speaker 2: prefer cars because it works with essential oils in the
[12:34] Speaker 2: best possible way. But you know you can use many
[12:38] Speaker 2: natural wax base and then you want to be looking
[12:40] Speaker 2: to see if the fragrance is one hundred percent natural,
[12:43] Speaker 2: because you know that the law is that you can
[12:45] Speaker 2: say this is in the UK. I think it's in
[12:47] Speaker 2: the USA, but the UK you can say a product
[12:50] Speaker 2: is natural when it's one percent natural. No way, one
[12:53] Speaker 2: percent one percent?
[12:55] Speaker 1: No, Yeah, that's ridiculous. I did not know that that's
[12:58] Speaker 1: the percentage.
[12:59] Speaker 2: So if you go back to my earlier Yeah, if
[13:03] Speaker 2: you are trying to make as much money as possible,
[13:06] Speaker 2: let's think you can chuse the system. Right, you put
[13:09] Speaker 2: some natural and you say made with natural lavender oil. Yeah,
[13:13] Speaker 2: one percent. Then the rest is ninety nine percent synthetic.
[13:16] Speaker 2: But you know aveda is natural, right, and they've said
[13:18] Speaker 2: one percent, they've said natural lavender oils.
[13:20] Speaker 1: Easy to trick people.
[13:21] Speaker 2: It's so easy to trick people. So and there's all
[13:25] Speaker 2: these kind of clever, stroke awful things you can put
[13:28] Speaker 2: in a standard like sent boosters and some binders, which
[13:31] Speaker 2: again means you can put some amazing organic Moroccan rose
[13:35] Speaker 2: oil in, for example, and then you can say and
[13:40] Speaker 2: then it's but it's only got one percent and then
[13:42] Speaker 2: the rest is this kind of really harsh booster.
[13:45] Speaker 1: So it's really what we think about with food, right, like, yeah,
[13:49] Speaker 1: how simple are the ingredients on the back of the
[13:51] Speaker 1: package when you're reading it in the same way with candles,
[13:54] Speaker 1: because I know I remember reading that with certain panels,
[13:57] Speaker 1: it's the same as secondhand smoke, Like that's how much
[14:00] Speaker 1: it's impacting your body. And it seems like such a
[14:03] Speaker 1: small thing. But every single person that I know has
[14:07] Speaker 1: candles in their home, and every single person that I
[14:09] Speaker 1: know has some sort of scent that they have in
[14:11] Speaker 1: the home, whether it's a spray or not. And I
[14:13] Speaker 1: became really mindful about even when I was putting on
[14:15] Speaker 1: my body in terms of perfumes, and I stopped using
[14:18] Speaker 1: perfumes and I would only use essential oils. And if
[14:21] Speaker 1: you think about it, your skin is your largest organ.
[14:23] Speaker 1: It takes in every single thing into your bloodstream. Your
[14:26] Speaker 1: bloodstream then tries to break it down and it creates
[14:28] Speaker 1: toxins in the body. So we think about carcinenergenic foods,
[14:31] Speaker 1: and we think about carcinogenic you know, pollution in the
[14:34] Speaker 1: world and aerosols that we're using on our body. But
[14:38] Speaker 1: these things make such a difference.
[14:40] Speaker 2: And it's interesting really because you know you are you
[14:43] Speaker 2: are an absolute guru of you know, wellness, and living
[14:47] Speaker 2: a natural where you are. But I think even for
[14:51] Speaker 2: that sort of woman who you know is sort of
[14:54] Speaker 2: lower down the pecking order, shall we say, but you know,
[14:56] Speaker 2: it's sort of on that journey. I think that there's
[14:59] Speaker 2: I think that there's some really obvious swaps.
[15:02] Speaker 1: That would like that doesn't make it, that doesn't make
[15:04] Speaker 1: it harder for you. It's not like you're making an
[15:06] Speaker 1: extra step or something more difficult. It's just making this
[15:10] Speaker 1: the same thing but a better.
[15:12] Speaker 2: And also, you know, if you wanted to use a
[15:15] Speaker 2: doctor brand I cream because you wanted to get rid
[15:20] Speaker 2: of the wrinkles on your eyes or something, I'm making
[15:22] Speaker 2: it up right, then fine, it's a little bit here.
[15:25] Speaker 2: But when you're using a wash or a body lotion
[15:27] Speaker 2: every day, then swap to something that's got the less
[15:30] Speaker 2: chemicals in that. So again I'm not saying that I
[15:34] Speaker 2: would even use that on my eyes. Maybe I would,
[15:37] Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that there's some obvious, kind of bigger,
[15:42] Speaker 2: bigger sort of things that you can do that will
[15:45] Speaker 2: make more of an impact. It's a bit like with food.
[15:48] Speaker 2: You know, it's less important to buy an organic banana
[15:51] Speaker 2: than it is an organic apple, you know, So it's
[15:55] Speaker 2: the same with beauty. I think you can start with
[15:57] Speaker 2: you everythink, oh my goodness, I've got to throw everything out.
[16:00] Speaker 2: I particularly love that bottom what.
[16:03] Speaker 1: Do you use the most of? Like for me, I
[16:04] Speaker 1: knew I have diffuses in every single room in my house,
[16:08] Speaker 1: and I know that scent for me has become so
[16:11] Speaker 1: important to lift my spirit. But if I'm using sense
[16:14] Speaker 1: that aren't actually one hundred percent, they're actually not making
[16:16] Speaker 1: me feel better. And even with these candles there, I
[16:19] Speaker 1: loved when I saw your candle where you can you
[16:22] Speaker 1: can burn it and then you can put the oil
[16:24] Speaker 1: on your body. I was like, if I can put
[16:25] Speaker 1: if I can burn this and then use whatever is
[16:28] Speaker 1: in there to put on my body, that's when I
[16:29] Speaker 1: know it's safe. Like that's how I know that it's
[16:31] Speaker 1: such a good quality product. And I love that. It's
[16:34] Speaker 1: like everything should kind of be interchangeable, like the masks
[16:37] Speaker 1: that you put on your face. You can make it,
[16:38] Speaker 1: you can eat it, but you can also put it
[16:40] Speaker 1: on your face. And I think the cleaner we can
[16:42] Speaker 1: make and simpler we can make our life. I think
[16:45] Speaker 1: everything is so complicated, whether it's products or life and
[16:49] Speaker 1: simplicity when it comes to things like this is just
[16:51] Speaker 1: so important.
[16:52] Speaker 2: But it's big businesses trying to you know, make money
[16:56] Speaker 2: at scale, and I think you have to understand, and
[16:59] Speaker 2: not that I'm anti that in general, and just saying
[17:02] Speaker 2: you've just got realized if there's ways of people producing
[17:07] Speaker 2: mass producing a lot of products for a cheap price,
[17:10] Speaker 2: then just think there's sometimes ways that that's done that
[17:14] Speaker 2: you might not.
[17:15] Speaker 1: It's going to compromise something for you. I loved how
[17:18] Speaker 1: you spoke about the four pillars of life, and you know,
[17:21] Speaker 1: I think I completely believe in that. I see when
[17:24] Speaker 1: one of those pillars in my life is straggling, every
[17:27] Speaker 1: part of me ends up struggling, and so I wanted
[17:29] Speaker 1: to break them down if that's okay, and ask a
[17:31] Speaker 1: few more questions about it. So I know you spoke
[17:33] Speaker 1: about there was sleep, energy, mood, and stress. Right, Let's
[17:36] Speaker 1: do stress first, because I think you know that's something
[17:40] Speaker 1: which underlying I think everybody except for maybe our Grandmars,
[17:43] Speaker 1: deal with on a daily basis. From all the research
[17:47] Speaker 1: that you've done and all the things that you've done
[17:49] Speaker 1: with your company, what do you have you found have
[17:52] Speaker 1: been the best techniques for people to manage their stress
[17:55] Speaker 1: and on a daily basis. They're practical ways.
[17:58] Speaker 2: Well, the first thing I would always say about stress
[18:00] Speaker 2: talking for personal experiences, prevention is always better than cure.
[18:03] Speaker 2: Love that yeah, and I think you know, unfortunately many
[18:06] Speaker 2: of us sort of bobb along fine until we're not fine.
[18:11] Speaker 2: That certainly happened to me because putting more what seems
[18:15] Speaker 2: like more time into anything in life when we're so
[18:18] Speaker 2: busy that you don't think that you need, is counter
[18:23] Speaker 2: So I understand that. However, you know, stress can turn
[18:27] Speaker 2: up in many ways. We always talk about the stress
[18:29] Speaker 2: that we sort of feel in terms of the more anxious,
[18:31] Speaker 2: panicky stress, but stress can also turn up in very
[18:34] Speaker 2: physical ways, you know, inflammation or whatever it may be.
[18:38] Speaker 2: So I think seeing that as something that you prevent
[18:41] Speaker 2: rather than something you would first of all, I think
[18:43] Speaker 2: it's more important, But I also think you would deal
[18:46] Speaker 2: with it differently than if it becomes to a panic
[18:49] Speaker 2: station situation, which I think is then a whole different way.
[18:53] Speaker 2: So if we talk about it as a sort of
[18:55] Speaker 2: more preventative thing, I think you have to build time
[19:00] Speaker 2: into your day to relax, which sounds obvious, but if
[19:04] Speaker 2: I explain why, it's because if your body understands what
[19:10] Speaker 2: feeling calm feels like, whether that's meditating, whether that's walking
[19:16] Speaker 2: your dog, whatever it may be. Then you have a
[19:19] Speaker 2: sort of blueprint, an internal blueprint that your body can
[19:22] Speaker 2: then make exactly. And so you have to understand why,
[19:27] Speaker 2: I think for you to really believe and want to
[19:29] Speaker 2: do it, And that's why it's important is to have
[19:33] Speaker 2: those little pockets during the day. And they can be, yeah,
[19:37] Speaker 2: it can be when you're having the bath, locking the
[19:39] Speaker 2: door and making that bath work a lot harder for you.
[19:41] Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be going on an hour's hike
[19:44] Speaker 2: in the morning, lovely as that is. You can build
[19:47] Speaker 2: those in, but it is really important for your body
[19:49] Speaker 2: to be reminded in this fast paced world what good
[19:53] Speaker 2: looks like, because then your body keeps returning to that
[19:56] Speaker 2: stay and will tell it, keeps your barometer working.
[20:00] Speaker 1: It's so true. I think we can get used to
[20:03] Speaker 1: our normality being at a high stress level and believing
[20:07] Speaker 1: that that is what normality is. And I think until
[20:10] Speaker 1: you strip all of that back and notice what actual it's.
[20:14] Speaker 1: My friend was telling me that she used to smoke
[20:15] Speaker 1: weed a lot and she came off it and she said,
[20:18] Speaker 1: I didn't know what it felt like to not have
[20:21] Speaker 1: cloud like that was normality to me. My mind was
[20:23] Speaker 1: always foggy, but I was functioning like that. Only when
[20:26] Speaker 1: I took it away did I realize what clarity actually
[20:29] Speaker 1: felt like. And I think you're right. Until you give yourself,
[20:32] Speaker 1: until your body knows what it feels like or gives
[20:36] Speaker 1: you something to want to come back to, You're never
[20:38] Speaker 1: gonna know what it feels like. You're never gonna want
[20:40] Speaker 1: You're never gonna even going to crave it because you
[20:42] Speaker 1: don't know what that feels like.
[20:44] Speaker 2: And again, I think we have this. We think stress
[20:48] Speaker 2: is you know, I can't believe and it's not. I mean,
[20:51] Speaker 2: my partner has a really high powered job and he
[20:54] Speaker 2: is a super calm guy with it, which all looks
[20:58] Speaker 2: from the outside fantastic. But every time this is the
[21:02] Speaker 2: weirdest thing. Every time we go somebody bumps an elbow
[21:05] Speaker 2: or a knee, it flares up on another level, like
[21:08] Speaker 2: can't walk right. And it's took me a year to
[21:12] Speaker 2: convince him your stress is a'm not stressed because he's
[21:15] Speaker 2: mentally not feeling the stress in the way that society
[21:19] Speaker 2: now says stress. He feels it his body feels it,
[21:22] Speaker 2: so we've had to do a lot of things to
[21:24] Speaker 2: work on day.
[21:24] Speaker 1: He's like that too. Actually, he has been able to
[21:27] Speaker 1: train his mind to mentally cope with stress so well.
[21:31] Speaker 1: So he's always like, my mind's not feeling it, but
[21:33] Speaker 1: I'm feeling this thing in my chest, or my mind's
[21:35] Speaker 1: not feeling it, but my body is so tired. And
[21:38] Speaker 1: I noticed that with him where exactly because he has
[21:41] Speaker 1: really he's you know, his meditation practice is so great.
[21:44] Speaker 1: He really has found ways to mentally de stress. But
[21:48] Speaker 1: at some point, some part of your body will come out, comes.
[21:50] Speaker 2: Out exactly, And he's exactly saying to me, I'm not stressed.
[21:53] Speaker 2: I'm not stressed. I'm calm, And I'm like, we you yes, mentally,
[21:56] Speaker 2: but you're literally bound. Anybody feels it. So I think
[22:00] Speaker 2: that's the other thing is see that it can come
[22:03] Speaker 2: out in and my mum gets a tightness here, yes, ja, Yeah,
[22:07] Speaker 2: So there's different ways that it's coming out. So we
[22:10] Speaker 2: think of stress in a very sort of binary way,
[22:12] Speaker 2: and it's not. And I think it's very much about
[22:16] Speaker 2: preventing and building that in and recognizing the value even
[22:20] Speaker 2: if you're not a kind of classicalized stressed person, but
[22:24] Speaker 2: recognizing the value of keeping those cortisol levels low also
[22:27] Speaker 2: for longevity.
[22:30] Speaker 1: Uty I'm like, I'm noticing the things I did in
[22:33] Speaker 1: my twenties, you end up seeing what you've done in
[22:37] Speaker 1: your twenties in your thirties. Like, what you're what you're
[22:39] Speaker 1: doing right now is setting you up for ten years time.
[22:41] Speaker 1: What you do in ten years time is setting you
[22:43] Speaker 1: up for next ten years. And I think that is
[22:45] Speaker 1: something I'm starting to realize being in my thirties. I'm like,
[22:48] Speaker 1: it really does make a difference, whether it's for me.
[22:51] Speaker 1: I've spent so much time in the sun. That's the
[22:53] Speaker 1: thing I'm noticing right now, the sun spots that are
[22:55] Speaker 1: showing up on my face from being in the sun
[22:57] Speaker 1: for the past ten years and not looking after it. Wow,
[23:00] Speaker 1: it really does show up. And so that's the same
[23:02] Speaker 1: with stress, is it's wearing and tearing away at you,
[23:06] Speaker 1: just as old age does. But stress does the same thing,
[23:08] Speaker 1: and you're going to notice it at a time where
[23:10] Speaker 1: it will be so much harder to come back from mostally.
[23:13] Speaker 2: And and the other thing is, I think what we
[23:16] Speaker 2: all want in the Western world is his five things
[23:19] Speaker 2: you can do to stop stress well, the reality is
[23:22] Speaker 2: your five things will be different to mine. There'll be
[23:24] Speaker 2: some commonalities, but they're different. So then what happens is
[23:27] Speaker 2: you try and look up the three things are five
[23:29] Speaker 2: things are, and I don't want to do. I don't
[23:31] Speaker 2: want to do, I don't like you, I don't want
[23:33] Speaker 2: to mess it, and so then you put off the
[23:35] Speaker 2: whole thing. You have to realize that you need a
[23:38] Speaker 2: wellbeing toolkit. It will basically have some they're my four pillars.
[23:43] Speaker 2: It will of course include a degree of exercise or movement.
[23:46] Speaker 2: It will of course degree have a large food paste
[23:49] Speaker 2: plays a large part. And then but what works for
[23:52] Speaker 2: you is going to be different to me definitely, So
[23:54] Speaker 2: you've got it and that will change. So you have
[23:57] Speaker 2: to think, right, I'm going to respect that this wellbeing
[24:01] Speaker 2: tool needs to exist so I live my best life mentally, physically.
[24:05] Speaker 2: I'm going to respect that it shows up in ways
[24:08] Speaker 2: that are very different to you, to me, to Jay,
[24:09] Speaker 2: to my partner. You know, if it is out of kilter,
[24:14] Speaker 2: and these are things that I'm going to sort of do,
[24:16] Speaker 2: but I'm going to make sure that I get to
[24:18] Speaker 2: a point with trial and error that I really love
[24:20] Speaker 2: that and it's enhancing my life by doing those things.
[24:24] Speaker 2: It's not a thing I've got to do at the
[24:26] Speaker 2: end of the day.
[24:27] Speaker 1: It's investing time in yourself. Like, that's what it takes,
[24:29] Speaker 1: what you're saying, trial and error of making the investment
[24:34] Speaker 1: in yourself with time, with energy to really understand what
[24:38] Speaker 1: you need in your life. Because once you figure those
[24:41] Speaker 1: basics out of this is what I need to get
[24:43] Speaker 1: good sleep, this is what I need to make sure
[24:45] Speaker 1: my energy levels stay good, this is what I need
[24:48] Speaker 1: for my mood. Once you figure those things out, that
[24:50] Speaker 1: can be your foundation for living your life optimally.
[24:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And at the end of the day, for me,
[24:56] Speaker 2: it's personally it's less about am I going to make
[24:58] Speaker 2: it from ninety two hundred? It's am I going to
[25:01] Speaker 2: really squeeze the shit out for the next ten years
[25:05] Speaker 2: and enjoy them the most and get the most out
[25:07] Speaker 2: of them and feel my best. So again, it's not
[25:10] Speaker 2: about prolonging life. It's these are very old fashioned concert Yeah.
[25:15] Speaker 1: It's the quality of like how well am I feeling
[25:18] Speaker 1: every morning when I wake up, and how enthusiastic am
[25:21] Speaker 1: I feeling? What's my mood with myself and with other people,
[25:24] Speaker 1: like that's what creates quality in your life. And I
[25:26] Speaker 1: think that's what Yeah, I love I love that that's
[25:28] Speaker 1: what you built your company on. Those were your foundations
[25:30] Speaker 1: because I think that's what people need the most.
[25:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's some I think it's why I'm
[25:35] Speaker 2: really committed to doing things like this, because when we
[25:37] Speaker 2: talk about wellness, it's a big responsibility. I think to
[25:40] Speaker 2: then go, oh, and I can help you with my
[25:43] Speaker 2: your brilliant new cookbook or you know, me saying swap
[25:46] Speaker 2: to these natural candles are going to help youse treatments.
[25:49] Speaker 2: They're all brilliant, but it's part of a toolkit, and
[25:52] Speaker 2: we all have to also signpost loads of other things
[25:54] Speaker 2: that people can do because whilst we're in this space
[25:57] Speaker 2: where people still don't know and don't realize it can
[26:00] Speaker 2: be a rich and varied toolkit which has to change
[26:04] Speaker 2: depending on different times of you know, the year, your life,
[26:07] Speaker 2: et cetera. We have to encourage them and say, hey,
[26:11] Speaker 2: there's also this that, and you might like this.
[26:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, but would you say are the three or which
[26:17] Speaker 1: have a many best essential oils for stress? Like what
[26:20] Speaker 1: would you recommend people go to, the sense that they
[26:22] Speaker 1: should go to.
[26:23] Speaker 2: Well we'll probably come on to it next. But I
[26:25] Speaker 2: think lavender is good because lavender is helps you sleep,
[26:29] Speaker 2: and you're always going to be stressed if you don't
[26:32] Speaker 2: get a good good night's sleep. So I'm going to
[26:33] Speaker 2: put that in there, even though that's a sleep. Yeah,
[26:36] Speaker 2: Jasmine is fantastic. Jasmine is a really lovely essential oil
[26:42] Speaker 2: for relaxing, but it's also relaxing and distressing. But it's
[26:48] Speaker 2: also a very optimistic light oil. So I think it
[26:52] Speaker 2: is it's a distressing oil, but it also touches on
[26:56] Speaker 2: lots of other elements which help you do stress. I
[27:00] Speaker 2: really really like jasmine. And then sandalwood is a very
[27:04] Speaker 2: nice Sandalwood is a great kind of very deep grounding
[27:08] Speaker 2: essential oil.
[27:09] Speaker 1: Hug like it's a hug scense. It feels like a
[27:11] Speaker 1: hug for your body.
[27:12] Speaker 2: It is, So I think they go nicy together, say
[27:17] Speaker 2: very nicely they do.
[27:18] Speaker 1: I blend like that. Actually, the three Bland I should try.
[27:21] Speaker 2: The best selling fragrance that I created for my own
[27:23] Speaker 2: anxiety is real luxury and it's got twenty four essential
[27:26] Speaker 2: oilsm but it has.
[27:27] Speaker 1: Those, does it? Yeah?
[27:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send.
[27:30] Speaker 1: You some of that because it's sounds amazing love, a
[27:32] Speaker 1: lovely fragrance I really enjoy. And you know when I
[27:35] Speaker 1: think about sense throughout my day, I really do think
[27:38] Speaker 1: about them as from morning to evening, like how they're
[27:41] Speaker 1: going to make me feel. And so I have a
[27:44] Speaker 1: jasmine myss that I put onto my face as part
[27:46] Speaker 1: of my skincare routine. The smell of that, I take
[27:49] Speaker 1: a deep breath every single time I smell it. And
[27:51] Speaker 1: then lavender is in one of my cleansing oils, and
[27:55] Speaker 1: you know, in the body barmb that I put on.
[27:57] Speaker 1: There's just so many different sense that take me through
[27:59] Speaker 1: the day. And you're right, it makes you know jasmine
[28:02] Speaker 1: has that effect. It just makes you want to take
[28:04] Speaker 1: that deep breaven.
[28:05] Speaker 2: It's interesting there. So you said we spoke about taking
[28:08] Speaker 2: those moments for yourself and even those are micro moments. Yes, well,
[28:12] Speaker 2: you're forcing yourself to just take things a little bit
[28:17] Speaker 2: slower and think about what you're putting on and giving
[28:20] Speaker 2: yourself that sort of permission to look after yourself.
[28:24] Speaker 1: And actually, I think when it comes to stress, if
[28:26] Speaker 1: I think about what helps me, it's not those major
[28:29] Speaker 1: moments in my day. It is those micro moments. It
[28:32] Speaker 1: is those little things that keep me. It's like the
[28:35] Speaker 1: little threads that take me from one bit to the next,
[28:37] Speaker 1: one bit to the next. They carry me through my day.
[28:39] Speaker 1: And so sometimes my team will see me disappear and
[28:41] Speaker 1: I'll come out and I'll have, you know, sprayed something
[28:43] Speaker 1: on my face, or I'll have a face mask on
[28:45] Speaker 1: halfway through the day. And it's just because it's giving
[28:47] Speaker 1: me those moments of refreshment and energizing that that you
[28:51] Speaker 1: know carries the.
[28:52] Speaker 2: Cooking right, Yeah, you're not going to eat mac Donald's
[28:54] Speaker 2: all day and then go, well, I should make an
[28:56] Speaker 2: amazing rady courier. Yeah, just to sort of balance at
[28:59] Speaker 2: the end of the day. You put the spices in
[29:01] Speaker 2: your food. As the day goes on, you might put
[29:03] Speaker 2: the cinnamon in your porridge. You might put you know,
[29:05] Speaker 2: some spices in a soup, and so you're constantly nourishing.
[29:08] Speaker 2: And then at the end of that day and the
[29:11] Speaker 2: end of that week, that's become a lifestyle and it's lovely.
[29:14] Speaker 2: It's nice. It's not they're not things as well. Another
[29:16] Speaker 2: really important tip that I always says, make it nice
[29:19] Speaker 2: for yourself. You know, make that food. Yeah, have those
[29:23] Speaker 2: amazing anti inflammatory spices in, but make it, so it
[29:27] Speaker 2: makes the soup taste better. You know, use the miss
[29:30] Speaker 2: that's going to help you relax, but make it a
[29:31] Speaker 2: miss that smells gorgeous that you also want to use.
[29:34] Speaker 2: Don't feel that that sort of somehow mitigates it or
[29:38] Speaker 2: makes it less worthy, So always make those and I
[29:42] Speaker 2: think that lifts your mood as well.
[29:43] Speaker 1: Then does And you touched on sleep with the lavender,
[29:47] Speaker 1: and I'd love to go on to that now because
[29:49] Speaker 1: you know, I've I really appreciate creating a sleep environment
[29:54] Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is really figuring out
[29:56] Speaker 1: the sense, the type of sheets, I like, the pillow
[30:00] Speaker 1: I like, you know, the lighting that we use. All
[30:03] Speaker 1: of those things can really help to create a sacred
[30:06] Speaker 1: space for you to get good quality sleep. So I
[30:09] Speaker 1: would love to hear from you what your tools and
[30:11] Speaker 1: tips have been for people, which you said ninety seven
[30:14] Speaker 1: how many people struggle with sleep in I think if.
[30:16] Speaker 2: You're eighty seven percent, people.
[30:19] Speaker 1: Struggle with sleep and I've seen that with my friends.
[30:21] Speaker 1: You know, people well, first.
[30:23] Speaker 2: The quality, so it's either getting sleep or not having
[30:26] Speaker 2: a great quality.
[30:27] Speaker 1: Yet, yeah, tell me, like, what do you think are
[30:29] Speaker 1: great ways for people to ease into creating a better
[30:33] Speaker 1: sleep environment or routine for themselves.
[30:36] Speaker 2: Well, this is a massive topic, so I'll try and
[30:38] Speaker 2: say it in just a few words. Because we did
[30:39] Speaker 2: a brilliant sleep plan which was just phenomenal, which has
[30:43] Speaker 2: got our eleven Yeah, our eleven Golden Rules for sleep,
[30:45] Speaker 2: and I would always go and have looked at it
[30:47] Speaker 2: on our website because it genuine is really really good.
[30:50] Speaker 2: But one thing I would say, we don't respect our
[30:53] Speaker 2: circadian rhythms at all. So what that means is we
[30:57] Speaker 2: wake up and don't go out to the side and
[30:59] Speaker 2: see the sunshine. We stay in all day and then
[31:02] Speaker 2: we expose ourselves to light in the evening. That actually
[31:06] Speaker 2: means that our body at a cellular level is not
[31:10] Speaker 2: understanding it's morning, it's afternoon, it's evening. So because we're
[31:15] Speaker 2: not respecting that, everything's going out of kilter. So you
[31:19] Speaker 2: have to think and routine at the end of the
[31:21] Speaker 2: day is hugely important, but it also starts at the
[31:23] Speaker 2: beginning of the day. You have to tell your body
[31:25] Speaker 2: it's morning, which then stops producing melatonin and starts all
[31:30] Speaker 2: of the kind of daily hormones up. So first thing
[31:33] Speaker 2: in the morning, making sure that you get out and
[31:35] Speaker 2: you see. Natural light is hugely important, hugely, hugely important.
[31:39] Speaker 2: And you know, if you measure light in terms of lux,
[31:42] Speaker 2: the light that you will get outside for fifteen minutes
[31:45] Speaker 2: versus being all day in an office is vastly, vastly different.
[31:49] Speaker 2: So going outside and seeing that natural light is really important.
[31:52] Speaker 2: And of course things like movement are really really important
[31:56] Speaker 2: as the day goes on. But having a routine for
[31:58] Speaker 2: the evening is very very important as well. And I
[32:02] Speaker 2: think people think that they are either a good sleeper
[32:06] Speaker 2: or a bad sleeper, and actually there's so much more
[32:08] Speaker 2: power in your hands and then you believe if you
[32:11] Speaker 2: really do respect that sleep hygiene from morning till evening.
[32:16] Speaker 2: So evening for me is very much about creating a
[32:19] Speaker 2: zone where we're going from that busy, you know, cortisol
[32:24] Speaker 2: spiky day to a much calmer place in the evening.
[32:28] Speaker 2: So that will of course include the blue lights being
[32:32] Speaker 2: turned off, you know, and that's of course hard. We
[32:35] Speaker 2: all like to sit in bed on Instagram. Sometimes that's
[32:39] Speaker 2: the reality, right, but you have to realize that that
[32:42] Speaker 2: is problematic. It's telling your brain to wake up, that's
[32:45] Speaker 2: the problem with it. It's not just making you think,
[32:47] Speaker 2: oh my god, what are they doing? Or I can't
[32:48] Speaker 2: believe she's done that? Or why are they there without me?
[32:51] Speaker 2: All of those things, but also the blue light. The
[32:54] Speaker 2: blue light is also making your brain think it's morning.
[32:57] Speaker 2: So it's a double whammy. You've got to take in that.
[33:00] Speaker 2: You've obviously not to say obviously, I think it's obvious.
[33:03] Speaker 2: But some people still order a coffee.
[33:05] Speaker 1: Don't they.
[33:06] Speaker 2: You've obviously got to stop. I can't drink caffeine after
[33:08] Speaker 2: twelve o'clock. I'm a bit of a lightweight, so understand
[33:12] Speaker 2: what your cutoff zone is. It might be later in that.
[33:14] Speaker 2: There's also a three hour rule, which is shouldn't really
[33:18] Speaker 2: be eating or drinking. I mean, clearly water is fine,
[33:20] Speaker 2: but you shouldn't really be eating your meal that close
[33:23] Speaker 2: to bed because your body's having to do a hell
[33:25] Speaker 2: of a job to.
[33:26] Speaker 1: Make sure that it digests it.
[33:28] Speaker 2: So you've got to make sure you're timings. You know,
[33:30] Speaker 2: you're not doing all those day things really sort of
[33:33] Speaker 2: late in the evening. I would then always like a
[33:36] Speaker 2: perfect night sleep. Candle. It's been such an amazing fragrance
[33:39] Speaker 2: for us, and we've got such brilliant testimonials of people
[33:42] Speaker 2: saying this has absolutely been a game changer. I like
[33:46] Speaker 2: to have something to inhale, something to absorb when you skin,
[33:49] Speaker 2: and then something to boost.
[33:50] Speaker 1: That's I like that, something to inhale, something to put
[33:54] Speaker 1: on your skin.
[33:55] Speaker 2: Absorb inhale, absorbed boost. I always think of routines in
[33:58] Speaker 2: that sort of way, So something to inhale would be
[34:01] Speaker 2: We do two sleep fragrances. Actually we do one that's
[34:03] Speaker 2: not got lavender in because a lot of people still
[34:05] Speaker 2: don't like lavender, so we do one with camra marm
[34:08] Speaker 2: but I like the lavender one, and then I would
[34:10] Speaker 2: fill the room with the fragrance, either via a pod
[34:13] Speaker 2: or a candle. I always like to go in a bath.
[34:16] Speaker 2: The ideal time is meant to be about twelve minutes
[34:18] Speaker 2: in a bath. I know that sounds very prescriptive, but
[34:21] Speaker 2: the point is not having it underturned and then not
[34:25] Speaker 2: having it you don't, there's no benefit of fifteen and then.
[34:29] Speaker 1: Somebody, you know, a good ten minutes to get into
[34:31] Speaker 1: an actual relaxed day after being on the whole day.
[34:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And for the oils, if you're using the oils,
[34:37] Speaker 2: for the oils to really penetrate. So I like to
[34:40] Speaker 2: have an oily bath or a bath with essential oils
[34:43] Speaker 2: in some capacity. Again, we do so many different products
[34:45] Speaker 2: than perfect night sleep, whether you like bubble bath bath,
[34:48] Speaker 2: foam oils or whatever. I love to use a magnesium
[34:53] Speaker 2: body butter when I get out of the bath.
[34:55] Speaker 1: Magnesium body.
[34:58] Speaker 2: It's a brilliant product, that absolutely brilliant. It's laced in magnesium.
[35:02] Speaker 2: So many of us deficient in magnesium. It's an absolute
[35:05] Speaker 2: wonder mineral. I mean, it's responsible for about three hundred
[35:08] Speaker 2: and sixty functions in the body magnesium I mean, and
[35:11] Speaker 2: the vast majority of a deficient in it. And by
[35:13] Speaker 2: the way you can process it, you know, if you've
[35:15] Speaker 2: been taking it as a tablet form, your body will
[35:17] Speaker 2: just keep processing it so you can't.
[35:19] Speaker 1: Oh no, that's good to nerve. Yeah, yeah, because I
[35:22] Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you mentioned pods and diffuses for
[35:25] Speaker 1: people who aren't used to using essential olds. There are
[35:27] Speaker 1: so many different ways you can get it, and I use,
[35:30] Speaker 1: you know, I have a rollable of a few different
[35:32] Speaker 1: sens that I take with me everywhere. I have peppermint
[35:33] Speaker 1: ale for my headaches. I have my lavender off when
[35:36] Speaker 1: I travel and I go on to a plane. But
[35:39] Speaker 1: then there's also the sense which are pure essential OWDs.
[35:42] Speaker 1: You can diffuse in a diffuser, give us, give us
[35:44] Speaker 1: a few different ways that you recommend people take them
[35:47] Speaker 1: in because even through your body butters, people are you know,
[35:49] Speaker 1: absorbing it through their skin into their body.
[35:51] Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter how you get a fragrance in
[35:57] Speaker 2: an atmosphere, It doesn't matter at all. Candle a rediffuser,
[36:02] Speaker 2: a pod. You'll have a personal preference on how strong
[36:06] Speaker 2: you want it. You'll also you know you might want it.
[36:10] Speaker 2: The good thing with the pod is it creates fragrance
[36:12] Speaker 2: in seconds. Yeah, so, and also everyone's room size is different, right,
[36:16] Speaker 2: So our three week candle we actually developed with that
[36:19] Speaker 2: amount of senseal oil in the three weeks, so we
[36:21] Speaker 2: would fill an average sized living room in about half
[36:24] Speaker 2: an hour. So that gives you some sort of guidance.
[36:27] Speaker 2: But as long as you know, whatever your budget is
[36:30] Speaker 2: or whatever your room sizes, any of those elements you
[36:34] Speaker 2: just just as long.
[36:34] Speaker 1: As specific, No, it's not.
[36:39] Speaker 2: And then when it comes to putting things on the
[36:41] Speaker 2: body again, you mean you can take we do pure
[36:44] Speaker 2: essential oils. You can put them the carrier on. If
[36:46] Speaker 2: you wanted magnesium body butter, that's great. We have a
[36:49] Speaker 2: body oil. I love our body oil because I love
[36:52] Speaker 2: a body or the size. That's another part of my
[36:54] Speaker 2: sleep routine that I really love.
[36:56] Speaker 1: I think, you know, self soothing and self touch is
[36:58] Speaker 1: so important to create, you know, to allow your nerves
[37:01] Speaker 1: to know. It's almost like hugging your own body. And
[37:04] Speaker 1: I love massage. I do a younger which is like
[37:06] Speaker 1: you know, self body massage. But it's such an important
[37:09] Speaker 1: part of my evening to destress my body because I
[37:12] Speaker 1: notice the places when I'm then going through and massaging
[37:15] Speaker 1: my body with all I'm noticing the places where I'm
[37:17] Speaker 1: holding tension. And I do it with essential oils and
[37:20] Speaker 1: with a you know, with a carrier, all that that
[37:22] Speaker 1: I put onto my body. But it really does make
[37:24] Speaker 1: a difference because I feel it, you know, kind of
[37:27] Speaker 1: moving through my body.
[37:28] Speaker 2: And body oil's got a bit of a bad rap.
[37:30] Speaker 2: People think it's greasy. Well, it's only greasy when it's
[37:33] Speaker 2: a mineral oil and it sits on the skin. You're
[37:35] Speaker 2: using a natural oil. It will actually penetrate into the skin.
[37:38] Speaker 1: I know my body, I wake up and my body
[37:40] Speaker 1: feels like a baby. But once you use the always
[37:43] Speaker 1: such a nice feeling to wing up like that. We've
[37:45] Speaker 1: touched on melotonin, you were saying, you know, obviously to
[37:48] Speaker 1: create that in our body. There is such a reliance
[37:51] Speaker 1: in the world right now on taking external melotonin, of
[37:55] Speaker 1: taking tablets. I know so many friends who have been
[37:57] Speaker 1: hooked on it, and you know, I would love to
[38:00] Speaker 1: hear your perspective on it, because for me, whenever I
[38:03] Speaker 1: hear people taking it, I know that they get to
[38:05] Speaker 1: a point where they hit a wall where it no
[38:08] Speaker 1: longer helps them, and that's because their body is not
[38:11] Speaker 1: producing it itself. It almost takes out that. It basically
[38:14] Speaker 1: tells your body Listen, you don't need to do any
[38:16] Speaker 1: work right now to get yourself melatonin. I'm going to
[38:18] Speaker 1: give it all to you, and so I feel like
[38:20] Speaker 1: it stops the functioning of it. So what's your view
[38:23] Speaker 1: on melatonin versus taking magnesium, because I know both can
[38:27] Speaker 1: be used for relaxation at night.
[38:28] Speaker 2: Well, I've never taken melitony. You know, I'm generally quite
[38:33] Speaker 2: a good sleeper, actually so, but I do have understood
[38:38] Speaker 2: the principles of being able to have and create good
[38:42] Speaker 2: sleep for quite a while. So I don't know. Listen,
[38:46] Speaker 2: it must be awful if you are a really really
[38:50] Speaker 2: serious insomniac. And I've got to be honest, and so
[38:53] Speaker 2: I don't know how that feels. So that must be
[38:55] Speaker 2: really really bad. However, it is widely known as you say,
[38:59] Speaker 2: that melatonin is going to ultimately, you know, cause you
[39:02] Speaker 2: more problems. And I do think in our findings, especially
[39:06] Speaker 2: when we did our when we created our sleep eleven
[39:11] Speaker 2: Golden Rules, most people didn't think good sleep was in
[39:14] Speaker 2: their control. They felt that they were just bad sleeper,
[39:18] Speaker 2: just a bad sleeper.
[39:19] Speaker 3: You know.
[39:20] Speaker 2: Their mum had been a sleeper, their uncle had been
[39:22] Speaker 2: a bad sleeper. It was in their family, and they
[39:25] Speaker 2: didn't understand. They didn't understand the whole piece about the
[39:29] Speaker 2: circadian rhythm and that it was also not just about
[39:32] Speaker 2: getting to sleep at that point, but it was about
[39:34] Speaker 2: really starting in the morning. So I think it makes
[39:38] Speaker 2: sense that you would at least learn that and try
[39:42] Speaker 2: that and then see where you are, because yeah, otherwise
[39:48] Speaker 2: you might get some relief. But if it steps forward
[39:52] Speaker 2: to take three back doesn't sound like a good.
[39:55] Speaker 1: Long term are you When you're taking anything like that, Naturally,
[39:58] Speaker 1: it gives you that remis for the night, but it
[40:01] Speaker 1: doesn't help your actual rhythm of sleep for the you know,
[40:05] Speaker 1: for longevity.
[40:06] Speaker 2: Of it exactly. And a lot of the sleep experts
[40:08] Speaker 2: that I've spoken to say also think about your sleep
[40:10] Speaker 2: over a week. Don't always berate yourself if you wake
[40:14] Speaker 2: up and you say, had a really bad night's sleep,
[40:15] Speaker 2: because sometimes you can get on this big vicious circle
[40:19] Speaker 2: of I had a bad night's sleep, and so then
[40:22] Speaker 2: you drink more caffeine to wake up the next day,
[40:24] Speaker 2: and then you take something that night. Rather than thank you, yeah, yeah,
[40:28] Speaker 2: you're not going to die, what's going to happen? You've
[40:30] Speaker 2: had a terrible night's sleep, fine, well, if you had
[40:32] Speaker 2: three hours last night, or if you had an hour,
[40:35] Speaker 2: then you know, if you get a night sleep the
[40:38] Speaker 2: night after all the nice after, think about it in
[40:39] Speaker 2: the week. So I think sometimes changing your way of
[40:42] Speaker 2: thinking can be helpful. You know.
[40:44] Speaker 1: What's really helped me, and I recommend this to a
[40:46] Speaker 1: lot of my friends now, is if you do go
[40:48] Speaker 1: through periods of having bad sleep, start tracking your sleep.
[40:51] Speaker 1: I've been using the Whoop for a while now, yeah,
[40:54] Speaker 1: and I've used lots of other devices here and there.
[40:56] Speaker 1: I was really against actually using devices on my body
[40:59] Speaker 1: at night, but I think for short periods of time,
[41:02] Speaker 1: It's helped me so much to see what type of
[41:05] Speaker 1: sleep I'm having to then the recovery that I'm having
[41:08] Speaker 1: to the morning of what type of workout I'm going
[41:11] Speaker 1: to have, Like sleep effects everything I noticed when I
[41:14] Speaker 1: don't get enough sleep. After looking at whatever my results
[41:17] Speaker 1: come out to be, I end up changing the way
[41:20] Speaker 1: that I'm working out because I'm putting more strain on
[41:22] Speaker 1: my body, producing more quarters all in my body, feeling
[41:25] Speaker 1: stressed and tired the whole day. And so even if
[41:28] Speaker 1: you're someone who doesn't use monitoring devices like much at all,
[41:32] Speaker 1: I recommend if you do end up having difficult sleep patterns,
[41:36] Speaker 1: at least have a look at what's happening, because I
[41:38] Speaker 1: think when you end up getting information in front of you,
[41:40] Speaker 1: you can only go from information because otherwise you're trying
[41:43] Speaker 1: to figure out there's so many variables that a complete
[41:46] Speaker 1: and so you know, I think tracking has been really important,
[41:49] Speaker 1: especially for me when I'm traveling and stuff a lot.
[41:52] Speaker 1: I find it so difficult to figure out am I
[41:55] Speaker 1: tired because I've been moving around a lot, or am.
[41:58] Speaker 2: I just not getting good quality sleep. I think you've
[42:00] Speaker 2: got to ask yourself whether that adds to your anxiety
[42:03] Speaker 2: or it helps for you, it seems like it helps you.
[42:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think information does for me.
[42:07] Speaker 2: It does for me, but I know there are those
[42:09] Speaker 2: people that then go, you give me another piece of
[42:12] Speaker 2: information that's been you know, that's not good and therefore,
[42:15] Speaker 2: so again, it's just believe in yourself a bit and
[42:19] Speaker 2: what works for you.
[42:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think if you're not able to
[42:22] Speaker 1: tune in and really hear what your body's telling you,
[42:24] Speaker 1: sometimes having for me anything takes me out of stress
[42:28] Speaker 1: if I have the knowledge for it, even if it's
[42:29] Speaker 1: something that's terrible, even if something is saying you've only
[42:32] Speaker 1: had one hour's good sleep, at least I have information
[42:35] Speaker 1: in front of me that's been given to me.
[42:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[42:37] Speaker 1: I feel like knowledge and information is my way to
[42:40] Speaker 1: take away stress in my life.
[42:41] Speaker 2: Definitely.
[42:42] Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying because I do have
[42:44] Speaker 1: friends who are like, oh my gosh, it says I've
[42:46] Speaker 1: only had three others sleep. But I don't think I
[42:47] Speaker 1: could do anything the whole day to day. So yeah,
[42:51] Speaker 1: I think it depends how it affects you, But for
[42:53] Speaker 1: short periods of time, I do recommend it to people
[42:55] Speaker 1: because I think it's a game changer in understanding your body.
[42:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, okay pillar.
[43:01] Speaker 1: The next pillar that I wanted to talk about was
[43:03] Speaker 1: your energy levels. You know, I think with as much
[43:08] Speaker 1: as sleep can affect your energy, I think there are
[43:10] Speaker 1: so many other things that affect your energy. And one
[43:12] Speaker 1: thing I've really been trying to monitor in my life
[43:15] Speaker 1: is energy leakage. And what I mean by that is
[43:18] Speaker 1: when am I doing mentally and emotionally that's impacting my
[43:22] Speaker 1: energy levels? And I've noticed whether it's conversations I'm having
[43:26] Speaker 1: with people and what they're about makes such a difference.
[43:29] Speaker 1: Am I gossiping about people? Am I talking about things
[43:33] Speaker 1: that are lower frequency that's actually not fueling me? Like
[43:36] Speaker 1: I tried to think of everything in my day as
[43:38] Speaker 1: either this is fueling me or is draining me, and
[43:40] Speaker 1: we're going to have a balance of both in our life, right. Yeah,
[43:43] Speaker 1: But there are so many micro things that you can
[43:46] Speaker 1: do throughout your day to make sure that that balance
[43:49] Speaker 1: is not off. So not doing too many things that
[43:52] Speaker 1: are draining you at least be even at least have
[43:54] Speaker 1: the things that are fueling you and draining you so
[43:55] Speaker 1: you end up at an even playing field.
[43:57] Speaker 2: Well, Also the things that you you know, if you're
[44:00] Speaker 2: choosing to go out for dinner with friends, you know
[44:04] Speaker 2: what it's going to do. That's not like a work thing.
[44:07] Speaker 2: I mean, you might have to have a meeting with
[44:09] Speaker 2: someone who or a boss who you know is a
[44:11] Speaker 2: bit tedious. That's your work. You know, we all have
[44:14] Speaker 2: to do that. But if you're going out, don't choose
[44:16] Speaker 2: friends who you behind the back or you think they
[44:21] Speaker 2: are because you've chosen that. So, yeah, but I think
[44:25] Speaker 2: that's something that you know, a lot of people fall into.
[44:28] Speaker 2: And I absolutely, I absolutely agree that kind of competitiveness
[44:32] Speaker 2: comes at certain times people's lives, doesn't it.
[44:35] Speaker 1: Particularly spending time with exactly it makes such a difference
[44:38] Speaker 1: to your energy levels.
[44:39] Speaker 2: I agree, auditing that all times is absolutely key. And
[44:44] Speaker 2: knowing what good looks like as well.
[44:46] Speaker 1: I think knowing what good looks like, and that comes
[44:49] Speaker 1: into play with what we were talking about before, right, like,
[44:52] Speaker 1: when you understand what good quality energy feels like from people,
[44:57] Speaker 1: you'll notice when people are draining you or when things
[44:59] Speaker 1: are being yeah, being you know, pressures being put.
[45:02] Speaker 2: On you and time is sure, you know, we shouldn't
[45:05] Speaker 2: there shouldn't be any sort of mindful choices that you
[45:10] Speaker 2: have with people or activities in your life that you're
[45:13] Speaker 2: not really into. You know, the bar should be high
[45:17] Speaker 2: where that's concerned, because it's got You have got to
[45:19] Speaker 2: compromise when it comes to tidying the house or you know,
[45:23] Speaker 2: dealing with a child having a tantrum or a boss
[45:26] Speaker 2: who's awkward. So let good Lord, don't choose for it.
[45:29] Speaker 2: When it comes to a hobby or a friendship or
[45:32] Speaker 2: whatever else, make sure that those are, you know, as
[45:34] Speaker 2: much as possible A one plus. So I'm totally with
[45:37] Speaker 2: you where that's concerned, and I've absolutely ended up. You
[45:41] Speaker 2: kind of go through life and then you think there's
[45:45] Speaker 2: barnacles that have grown here.
[45:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, we think about all the things that give us energy.
[45:49] Speaker 1: With food, like we said, and with exercise, we know
[45:51] Speaker 1: that they've boost our serotonin levels. But people do too.
[45:53] Speaker 1: Like we're human beings. We want that energetic connection with
[45:56] Speaker 1: people and having even if it's just a few people
[46:00] Speaker 1: in your life that boost your energy when you're around them,
[46:03] Speaker 1: it's so necessary.
[46:04] Speaker 2: Definitely, And I think finding things that replenish you and
[46:10] Speaker 2: knowing everyone thinks I'm an extra bit, but actually I'm
[46:13] Speaker 2: an intro to get your your energy from being on
[46:18] Speaker 2: your own and you sort of you plug yourself and
[46:20] Speaker 2: then and then I want to go out. I don't
[46:21] Speaker 2: want to be on my own for two weeks and
[46:23] Speaker 2: then I want to go out and speak to people.
[46:24] Speaker 3: But I have to have that.
[46:26] Speaker 2: And so I suppose knowing that about yourself and.
[46:29] Speaker 1: Events, and I'm like, one day, one night, I I've
[46:33] Speaker 1: been out, I've been around people. I'm like, I need
[46:35] Speaker 1: two days of being being completely by myself and then
[46:38] Speaker 1: I we energize and then I'm ready to go back
[46:39] Speaker 1: out again.
[46:41] Speaker 2: I have a I have a little saying and I'll
[46:42] Speaker 2: say it's my boyfriend and I'll go T m H
[46:45] Speaker 2: and it means too many humans. Oh.
[46:47] Speaker 1: I like that.
[46:48] Speaker 2: So it's like kind of code for whether in a
[46:51] Speaker 2: place where it's been we've been at a party, going
[46:53] Speaker 2: on too long whatever else.
[46:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that's really good. I feel like that's going
[46:59] Speaker 1: to become a thing. I'm gonna use it too. What
[47:02] Speaker 1: are the oils? Because I have found great solace in
[47:06] Speaker 1: essential oils when I'm feeling low energy, especially when I
[47:09] Speaker 1: get to midday and I need to pick me up.
[47:12] Speaker 1: For me, peppermint oil has been a game changer. It
[47:16] Speaker 1: has greatcent too. If I'm feeling sluggish, if even my
[47:21] Speaker 1: digestion feels a bit sluggish, putting around my belly button
[47:24] Speaker 1: and putting it on my forehead and it really energizes me.
[47:27] Speaker 1: What are other sense that you recommend, because you know,
[47:29] Speaker 1: I think about that in the morning. I have different
[47:31] Speaker 1: sense that I want to wake me up in the morning,
[47:33] Speaker 1: and I have citrus sense then, and you know that
[47:35] Speaker 1: type of thing. I would love to hear your top
[47:37] Speaker 1: three for energy.
[47:38] Speaker 2: I love eucalyptus. Oh yeah, because I think it gives
[47:42] Speaker 2: you energy. But there's two different White and lemon for me,
[47:46] Speaker 2: is more of a physical energy. Yeah so, but but
[47:49] Speaker 2: the eucalypse is more of a mental energy. So eucalypses
[47:52] Speaker 2: pine pin I can use the same. I can't love
[47:55] Speaker 2: the fragrance. I have to use a tiny bit of it,
[47:57] Speaker 2: quite a fall kind of a green, sort of a
[48:00] Speaker 2: little tincture of green, which would be eucalyptus. Have some
[48:03] Speaker 2: pine in there, kind a bit of sandal. Would you
[48:05] Speaker 2: could have some lemon? Yeah, and that will give you
[48:07] Speaker 2: a real kind of mental focus. We have a really
[48:10] Speaker 2: brilliant fragrance called focus the mind, actually, which I thought
[48:14] Speaker 2: I really wanted something that was that kind of right,
[48:17] Speaker 2: You've got to get your head down here and just
[48:18] Speaker 2: work for three hours that real kind of your kids
[48:21] Speaker 2: are doing a levels and that's a very greeny you know,
[48:27] Speaker 2: you can have some lime sometimes where it's quite nicely
[48:30] Speaker 2: in that as well.
[48:31] Speaker 1: I like that.
[48:31] Speaker 2: But I think eucalyptus is one of my favorites for that.
[48:36] Speaker 1: That's a great sent for that. Yeah, energy eucalyptus. I
[48:38] Speaker 1: need to try that one now. I think I've been
[48:40] Speaker 1: sticking to peppermin all for too long. I might be
[48:42] Speaker 1: becoming immune to it.
[48:44] Speaker 2: We'll mix it up and just kind of like think
[48:46] Speaker 2: of it like a little bouquet, like if you were
[48:48] Speaker 2: creating you know, a A A in a meal or something.
[48:52] Speaker 1: And you're right, it's experimenting with that, like seeing which
[48:55] Speaker 1: sense suit you, which sense you end up you know,
[48:57] Speaker 1: actually responding to because some sense I smile, Oh this
[49:00] Speaker 1: is all right, it doesn't really do much for me,
[49:01] Speaker 1: But then there are other sense that really give me
[49:04] Speaker 1: the boost or the relaxation that I need back.
[49:07] Speaker 2: It's like what you need different things, don't you. I
[49:09] Speaker 2: quite like sometimes and you decide you might want to
[49:13] Speaker 2: put some some citrusy sense with it. To make it
[49:16] Speaker 2: kind of very light and fresh and sparkling upbeat. But
[49:20] Speaker 2: then sometimes if you've got some serious work to do,
[49:22] Speaker 2: you might put those kind of woody notes with this.
[49:25] Speaker 2: And it also it gives you that kind of real focus,
[49:27] Speaker 2: but sometimes it's kind of a grounding focus.
[49:30] Speaker 1: I have sandal wood. Sandalwood is what I burn in
[49:34] Speaker 1: the morning for my meditation. That is my meditation smell
[49:37] Speaker 1: more than anything else, and I have to say it
[49:40] Speaker 1: has been and I love creating connection between scent and
[49:43] Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I think that's another way. It's almost
[49:46] Speaker 1: creating these almost mechanisms, like you were saying, where you
[49:50] Speaker 1: know that when you're smelling this, this is what's happening.
[49:53] Speaker 1: It's creating a routine or a channel of our eyes.
[49:57] Speaker 2: And I think it's a lovely thing to do, you know,
[50:01] Speaker 2: in a home, to create that environment for you, your partner,
[50:05] Speaker 2: your children, your grandparents. It's a it's a really nice
[50:10] Speaker 2: way of kind of creating an.
[50:12] Speaker 1: Energy energy exactly.
[50:15] Speaker 2: I like doing it for dinner parties, that kind of
[50:17] Speaker 2: saying zoning different parts of the house.
[50:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so right, And I think there's a huge
[50:21] Speaker 1: connection if you think about scent when you meet someone,
[50:24] Speaker 1: or I know, the smell of my mom, like I can.
[50:27] Speaker 1: As soon as I smell that, there's a set serotonin
[50:29] Speaker 1: comes out.
[50:30] Speaker 2: I relax.
[50:30] Speaker 1: My whole body completely changes. Same with when I smell
[50:33] Speaker 1: her food. I'm like, okay, I'm home and I feel that,
[50:36] Speaker 1: And I think for me, I've created those connections between
[50:40] Speaker 1: scents too. So now even if you're far away from home,
[50:43] Speaker 1: you smell something that you've put I think that must
[50:45] Speaker 1: be so amazing for kids to do as well, Like
[50:47] Speaker 1: when kids go away to college or university or whatever,
[50:50] Speaker 1: if they've had a smell that brings them back home.
[50:53] Speaker 2: And we have you so many people who write I
[50:56] Speaker 2: get messages all the time from people saying, oh, my
[50:59] Speaker 2: children off on his first you know, away camp or
[51:02] Speaker 2: something and took the pillar miss because a lot we
[51:04] Speaker 2: buy more, we sell more impacts of four of our
[51:07] Speaker 2: pillar mist than singularly because people buy them. I suppose
[51:11] Speaker 2: a lot of them by just to sup to have
[51:14] Speaker 2: like mum and the dad and you know, children or whatever.
[51:18] Speaker 2: And that's a really nice thing. I think, whatever that
[51:21] Speaker 2: routine is, but getting we talk about self care being
[51:23] Speaker 2: something that we're having to now teach adults because this
[51:25] Speaker 2: is a new thing. But for us to be teaching
[51:28] Speaker 2: younger generation to just yeah, to have that in it,
[51:32] Speaker 2: I think it's that's quite powerful. Yeah.
[51:34] Speaker 1: I know when I walk down the street sometimes my
[51:36] Speaker 1: dad used to wear old spice, you know that sase
[51:39] Speaker 1: whenever I smell, whenever my someone walks past me, or
[51:42] Speaker 1: I get a whiff of it, I'm like, oh, that's
[51:44] Speaker 1: so nice. But it's just it's sense can take you
[51:47] Speaker 1: back to memory.
[51:48] Speaker 2: They you still fancy the men that wear the lynks?
[51:52] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know. I can't do links
[51:55] Speaker 1: anymore Africa. That was the one moment when I was younger, exactly. Yeah,
[52:01] Speaker 1: S's a beautiful way to connect memories as well. I
[52:03] Speaker 1: really I don't remember dates, I don't remember times, but
[52:07] Speaker 1: I can remember sense, and I can remember the food
[52:08] Speaker 1: I ate. And that's pretty much what I based a lot.
[52:10] Speaker 2: Of my life. Yeah, I can't date my children in
[52:13] Speaker 2: that I remember where all their clothes.
[52:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The next pillar is mood. I think that's
[52:20] Speaker 1: the last pillar that we spoke about. And you know,
[52:23] Speaker 1: I've studied, like we spoke about spices and food and
[52:26] Speaker 1: the impact that it has on mood. Same with the vitamins.
[52:29] Speaker 1: That we're having in the minerals that we're having. There's
[52:31] Speaker 1: so much that we can do to change our mood.
[52:33] Speaker 1: And what you said about sleep, I think people have
[52:36] Speaker 1: the same thing for mood where they think a lot
[52:39] Speaker 1: of people feel like if I'm just in a lone
[52:41] Speaker 1: with there's not much I can do about it. It
[52:42] Speaker 1: just is I'm feeling this way. There's not much I
[52:45] Speaker 1: can do to get myself out of it. It's gonna
[52:46] Speaker 1: go away itself. But actually, I'd say scent and also
[52:51] Speaker 1: many of the other things that we do, there's an
[52:52] Speaker 1: ability to shorten that time span that we are feeling
[52:55] Speaker 1: in a low mood for. And so what would you
[52:58] Speaker 1: say again, uplifting sense or things that you think people
[53:01] Speaker 1: can do to really help elevate their mood during.
[53:04] Speaker 2: That A totally. I mean, and you know people always
[53:06] Speaker 2: sort of lump this. This is not about depression, right,
[53:09] Speaker 2: That's a very different thing.
[53:10] Speaker 1: Definitely.
[53:10] Speaker 2: This is about sort of very daily, you know, getting
[53:14] Speaker 2: yourself in the fond. Yeah, And I think by you know,
[53:18] Speaker 2: taking control of that thinking that there are things you
[53:20] Speaker 2: can do, whether it's you know, making yourself a lovely
[53:23] Speaker 2: cake or lighting a lovely candle, it's just nice having
[53:27] Speaker 2: that control, Isn't it? Definitely mood boosting fragrances. I think
[53:32] Speaker 2: orange is a really underrated essential oil which is lovely
[53:38] Speaker 2: mandarin slightly different, slightly sweeter. I chang my can kind
[53:43] Speaker 2: of work in that way as well. I really love that.
[53:45] Speaker 2: But those orange sort of fragrances are uplifting in a
[53:49] Speaker 2: very sort of how do I say it? I love tuberos,
[53:53] Speaker 2: but Tuberos is a very sexy, luxurious essential oil, which
[53:59] Speaker 2: also is very uplifting. But orange is almost kind of like,
[54:03] Speaker 2: you know, the little things are the big things happiness well,
[54:06] Speaker 2: and I think the fact that it is fruity and sparkling.
[54:12] Speaker 1: As well, Like I think it kind of brings a
[54:14] Speaker 1: bit of festivity throughout.
[54:17] Speaker 2: But also I think it makes you because it is
[54:19] Speaker 2: quite a you know, it's quite a basic fragrance. It
[54:23] Speaker 2: doesn't make you think I need to have something really
[54:25] Speaker 2: extravagant to be happy. So Orange and all the form
[54:28] Speaker 2: of stories think really work very well. Mimosa is a
[54:32] Speaker 2: lovely fragrance. Mimosas like you know those little yellow, tiny flowers, Yeah,
[54:38] Speaker 2: seeing them, they're very pretty. That is a lovely, uplifting,
[54:42] Speaker 2: very light, bright sparkling fragrance. I love that for loads
[54:46] Speaker 2: of things. Actually, we put that in our happiness fragrance,
[54:48] Speaker 2: and I think that is a really really nice Yeah,
[54:51] Speaker 2: that's lovely and you so you can put that with orange,
[54:53] Speaker 2: so that's really really nice. I have some not a
[54:56] Speaker 2: vanilla fan, but vanilla, but vanilla. The problem with vanilla,
[55:00] Speaker 2: anything I will say is vanilla is generally you smell
[55:04] Speaker 2: it in a very synthetic way. Yes, so a bit
[55:07] Speaker 2: like a cake where you put you know, it's a
[55:08] Speaker 2: big difference between using a proper vanilla pod and you know,
[55:11] Speaker 2: synthetic vanilla fragrancy. So vanilla is and it's worth people
[55:16] Speaker 2: knowing it is a mood boosting. It's quite calming, but
[55:18] Speaker 2: it is all about mood. It sometimes can be tempered
[55:21] Speaker 2: quite nicely with some sandalwood.
[55:23] Speaker 1: What are the women's sprays that we used to Oh, yeah,
[55:25] Speaker 1: from super It was just such a deep.
[55:29] Speaker 2: Musky But not for me. I'm just saying it because
[55:31] Speaker 2: I think a lot of people do like vanilla, and
[55:35] Speaker 2: it's worth them knowing it is a It sits between
[55:38] Speaker 2: being a mood boosting and a destressing oil. That is
[55:42] Speaker 2: its property. And if you quite like it, but are
[55:45] Speaker 2: nervous of that sort of old fashion, sort of eighties
[55:49] Speaker 2: nineties synthetic vision. Try it with a little bit of
[55:51] Speaker 2: sandalwood because it just makes it a bit more earthy.
[55:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's vanilla being that actually, because I think even
[55:57] Speaker 1: when you think about it in baking or when I'm
[55:58] Speaker 1: cooking something, it has this grounding is a heavier sent
[56:03] Speaker 1: I think it's like a heavier grounding ascent. Oh nice, Okay,
[56:06] Speaker 1: I need to try their vanilla and standlord together now.
[56:09] Speaker 2: Nice.
[56:09] Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, so, after all that you've
[56:12] Speaker 1: been in this what fifteen years the wellness industry more
[56:15] Speaker 1: than eighteen years. From all of that and all the
[56:17] Speaker 1: things that you've tried and tested, what would you say
[56:20] Speaker 1: are your three non negotiables for your own wellness? Because
[56:24] Speaker 1: you travel a lot as well, by the way, you
[56:25] Speaker 1: have a Yeah, you travel a lot. You do you know?
[56:28] Speaker 1: You work so hard?
[56:30] Speaker 2: What are your three non negotiables? Gosh, gotting it down
[56:33] Speaker 2: three is touper hard. But let me say, getting out
[56:37] Speaker 2: in nature is a really big thing. I know we
[56:38] Speaker 2: talk about it a lot at the moment, but I
[56:40] Speaker 2: think people think that's like going on a pounding walk
[56:42] Speaker 2: through a forest, and it can be I have a horse.
[56:44] Speaker 2: It's my greatest passion luxury. When I'm there, I'm nothing
[56:49] Speaker 2: other than the horse rider. I'm not me and my
[56:52] Speaker 2: work capacity or anything else. And so I think whatever
[56:55] Speaker 2: that might look like for you, being outside is is
[57:00] Speaker 2: really really important. And I love city life. I love
[57:02] Speaker 2: the buzz of London, but that is really really important.
[57:05] Speaker 2: So walking the dog, being out is hugely important. Food
[57:08] Speaker 2: is a massive part of my you know life. I
[57:11] Speaker 2: am a big food and I'm really quite greedy, so yeah,
[57:13] Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, So I think probably that was partly
[57:17] Speaker 2: what inspired me to become interested in nutrition, because I'm
[57:19] Speaker 2: going to eat this much and you can know what
[57:22] Speaker 2: in me exactly, otherwise I'll be the size of a
[57:24] Speaker 2: house quite frankly. So so food cooking is a big
[57:30] Speaker 2: part of my life, and latterly it's become more so,
[57:34] Speaker 2: I think. But connecting, as as you said before, with
[57:36] Speaker 2: the right people, and that's a small circle that I
[57:41] Speaker 2: hold very dear and I love hard and being quite
[57:46] Speaker 2: strict about no or thank you. I'll be quite pleasant,
[57:50] Speaker 2: but you're not in my a boxy and keeping that
[57:54] Speaker 2: a box kind of really you know tight, because I
[57:57] Speaker 2: get such huge nourishments from that. And of course there's
[58:01] Speaker 2: you know family, you know members are in that. But
[58:04] Speaker 2: that's I think, knowing what that looks like and knowing
[58:07] Speaker 2: hues in it and knowing you know, the amount you're
[58:10] Speaker 2: going to give back to those, how important that is
[58:12] Speaker 2: for you.
[58:12] Speaker 1: That's become you know, there's a great Yeah, I really
[58:17] Speaker 1: like them. I have a few quick fire questions to
[58:19] Speaker 1: kind of round this up. I'm going to ask you
[58:21] Speaker 1: to think too deeply about them. But what's something a
[58:25] Speaker 1: lot of people don't know about you that you want
[58:28] Speaker 1: them to know.
[58:28] Speaker 2: I'm quite tough.
[58:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that though, do you. Yeah?
[58:32] Speaker 2: I think people think because I run away on this business,
[58:35] Speaker 2: I'm like floating around in white linen and yeah I know,
[58:39] Speaker 2: and it's like, no, this is working at Neon is
[58:43] Speaker 2: the best fun ever. But it's really tough and I'm
[58:45] Speaker 2: quite tough. And I hate that that's that kind of
[58:48] Speaker 2: view of Meravitation that you know, we're just sort of
[58:51] Speaker 2: all a bit whimsical and a bit oh well, it
[58:53] Speaker 2: doesn't matter, it might upset you, you know, No.
[58:57] Speaker 1: So just no, Niclas tough. Okay, she may be the
[59:00] Speaker 1: biggest one is brand in London but she is tough
[59:02] Speaker 1: as a cookie or not well, sometimes a vegan extremely
[59:06] Speaker 1: tough if it's not made right. What emotion do you
[59:10] Speaker 1: find difficult to deal with? And why I have all
[59:13] Speaker 1: the emotions out there?
[59:16] Speaker 2: I don't like being sad. Yeah, I really don't like
[59:19] Speaker 2: being sad.
[59:20] Speaker 1: How do you release emotion? By the way, what's your method.
[59:23] Speaker 2: Of much of a crime?
[59:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, not much.
[59:28] Speaker 2: I talk it through. I think I talk it through
[59:30] Speaker 2: with people that I trust. You know, I will talk
[59:34] Speaker 2: it through. I will, I will speak to I will
[59:36] Speaker 2: have therapy and then not and then have therapy. And
[59:38] Speaker 2: I kind of go to therapy a bit. Not for
[59:40] Speaker 2: a problem, but it's almost like going to the theater
[59:42] Speaker 2: for me. I really enjoy it. That's so interesting and
[59:48] Speaker 2: I learned things. She's just generally about life, so that's helpful.
[59:51] Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't like I think my daughter used
[59:54] Speaker 2: to say, from being really little when she was in trouble,
[59:57] Speaker 2: she's to go mammy, let's not talk about the bad things,
[59:59] Speaker 2: let's talk about good things. And that she even now
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: still I think we are a bit probably pushed that night, maybe, yeah, fair.
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: When was the last time you had a really good cry?
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: I fell out with my son, I had a good cry.
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, I do that a lot with my Me and
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: my mum have a She's like my best friend. But
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: at the same time she's the person naturally that I
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: can snap at the most or have disagreements with, and
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: so I get really upset with myself when.
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: I do that, especially now.
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does matter. What kind of cry are you?
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: So I have made categories of criers. Okay, so there's
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: five different times. There's a loud, ugly cry. We all
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: know what that looks like. It's just it's not cute.
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: The breathless where you're just you really can't hear, you
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: know when children do, or you just can't hear what
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: they're saying. But there's a lot of breath happening. There's
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: a sniff sniffler and snotty where there's water coming out
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: of every you know, hole in the body, the high
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: pitched where it's just need that they just go up
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: a few octions. That's me And then I'm not crying.
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: Your crying cry where it's like I have something in
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: my eye and you know, I'm not really crying, or
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: the silent crier where it's very composed and no it's
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: not that.
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll try to start with the last, the
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: pronultimate one.
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm crying your crime.
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: I try to start with that. Then I think I'll
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: go to the one up from.
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: That high pitched yeah yeah yeah, because.
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: When you're crying, you try and explain you why you're cry?
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: What's just because mine's always like I think I'm coming
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: on my period. That's literally mine for everything. I'm like,
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: I think, let me just check. I think it must
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: be the time of my period and there it can't
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: be every week because I'm a crier. I cry all
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: the time. So for me, I'm like, that's that excuse
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: that needs to change. Now. Well, thank you so much
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: for being It's going to be such a great one
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: for people to learn the small things they can adapt
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: to make such a big difference. So yeah, me too,
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: and for anyone who and I'm saying this genuinely, I've
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: looked hard and long time to find sense and pandles
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: to fill my home with that feel uplifting and calming
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: and all the things that you want to feel and
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: make a home into. And I have said NEIM has
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: been a really great tool for that in different parts
[1:02:21] Speaker 1: of my home so I really recommend you check them out.
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: And I'm so excited to have you in the US.
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: Now UK to the US, I know, and I can
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: come over here more.
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say holidays, thank you, thank you, my love,
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: thank you,

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