# The Courage to Reinvent: Rochelle Humes on Work, Family & Self-Worth

An episode of [A Really Good Cry](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1708895338), 18 Nov 2025, 1 h 07 min.

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Who are you when the world only sees one version of you? Do you have to close one chapter to begin another? What if change isn’t a loss, but an evolution? How do you carry every version of yourself into the present? In this heartfelt and revealing episode of A Really Good Cry, Radhi sits down with entrepreneur, TV host, and multi-hyphenate creative Rochelle Humes for a raw conversation about identity, motherhood, and what it really means to live a fulfilling life. Rochelle opens up about her journey from pop stardom to businesswoman, sharing how she’s navigated change, protected her peace, and stayed grounded while raising three kids in the spotlight. Together, they dive into the tension between public perception and private truth, the struggle of being misunderstood, and the courage it takes to pivot when life pulls you in a new direction. In this episode, you’ll learn: • Why success often shifts from financial stability to inner peace. • The challenges of balancing ambition with motherhood. • How to embrace new chapters without “grieving” old versions of yourself. • The role of curiosity in keeping life exciting — and never feeling lost. • Why self-care isn’t selfish, but essential to showing up for others. • How to deal with being misunderstood — in public and in private. • The lessons Rochelle carries from her working-class roots into her parenting. • Why true wealth is built on love, friendship, and health. This episode is a powerful reminder that life is not about fitting into one role or version of yourself — it’s about honoring your many layers, choosing peace over perfection, and finding beauty in every chapter. Follow Rochelle: https://www.instagram.com/rochellehumes/ https://x.com/rochellehumes Follow Radhi: https://www.instagram.com/radhidevlukia/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxWe9A4kMf9V_AHOXkGhCzQ https://www.facebook.com/radhidevlukia1/ https://www.tiktok.com/@radhidevlukia See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: When people sit on podcasts and they have the attitude
[0:02] Speaker 1: of it's not all about money, I think it's quite
[0:05] Speaker 1: unrelatable to someone that has none. Yeah, and I think
[0:07] Speaker 1: for them a lot of their problems would be fixed
[0:09] Speaker 1: if they had a healthy bank balance. I think I'm
[0:11] Speaker 1: always aware of that because that was my mindset for
[0:14] Speaker 1: a very long time.
[0:15] Speaker 2: Rachelle Humes is a singer, a television presenter, an entrepreneur,
[0:18] Speaker 2: an author, and a podcaster and a mother of three.
[0:21] Speaker 2: I joined her on her podcast and today we're swopping seats.
[0:24] Speaker 1: You're not going to be like find the balance to
[0:26] Speaker 1: be great at everything at once.
[0:28] Speaker 3: That's a real unrealistic approach.
[0:30] Speaker 1: So I would say, be realistic of the idea of
[0:33] Speaker 1: balance and how everything else in your life is going
[0:36] Speaker 1: to look when your business is thriving. I'm very obsessed
[0:40] Speaker 1: with making sure that my kids understand the value of money.
[0:42] Speaker 1: If you want to start something, it feels like a risk.
[0:45] Speaker 1: So I would say, without that unwavering, burning desire and
[0:51] Speaker 1: that passion and belief in what it is you want
[0:54] Speaker 1: to do, don't take the risk yet.
[0:56] Speaker 2: I'm Radi Davlukiah and on my podcast a really Good Cry,
[0:59] Speaker 2: We embrace the real, the messy, and the beautiful, providing
[1:02] Speaker 2: a space for raw, un fielded conversations that celebrate vulnerability
[1:06] Speaker 2: and allow you to tune in to learn, connect and
[1:09] Speaker 2: find comfort together.
[1:11] Speaker 4: So thank you so much for coming here.
[1:13] Speaker 3: I'm so pleased to be here.
[1:14] Speaker 2: I feel like the last time I saw you was
[1:16] Speaker 2: on your podcast Bazy Launch, and You're so sweet to
[1:20] Speaker 2: have me on. But I'm so excited. I'd really love
[1:22] Speaker 2: to be able to ask questions the other way.
[1:24] Speaker 3: It's so refreshing to be sat in this scene.
[1:26] Speaker 2: I know I was asking you before how many podcasts
[1:29] Speaker 2: you've done, but I feel like your life is so hectic.
[1:31] Speaker 2: I imagine, yeah, just so many right now. I'm excited,
[1:36] Speaker 2: let's do this, get into it.
[1:37] Speaker 3: I feel as yeah, like everyone wants to sit in
[1:40] Speaker 3: that say. I'm like, no, let me get you on.
[1:42] Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
[1:43] Speaker 2: I feel like from seeing you from growing up and
[1:48] Speaker 2: watching your how incredible you are, whether it was your
[1:50] Speaker 2: singing career or as a business woman or as a mother.
[1:54] Speaker 2: You wear so many hats, and I guess the first
[1:56] Speaker 2: question I want to ask is what are you e
[1:57] Speaker 2: been excited about right now in your life?
[2:00] Speaker 3: I might not be saying this in like nine weeks.
[2:02] Speaker 1: So yeah, let's sort of play this. Send this to me,
[2:05] Speaker 1: and I remember how excited I was for the summer.
[2:08] Speaker 1: It becomes such a routine when you are working, and
[2:12] Speaker 1: I don't. My routine is very I keep those things
[2:15] Speaker 1: in there that are important to me, but my life
[2:18] Speaker 1: looks so different, so every day is different.
[2:19] Speaker 3: But I sort of try and keep my own routine
[2:21] Speaker 3: within that.
[2:22] Speaker 1: But the children's school, it's so kind of formulaic, and
[2:26] Speaker 1: it has to be like that that I hate the
[2:28] Speaker 1: version of myself where I'm like everyone out the door, Okay,
[2:31] Speaker 1: this one's got dance club, and Marv does the dance
[2:34] Speaker 1: run and I do the paddle run, and it all
[2:37] Speaker 1: becomes very kind of methodical.
[2:39] Speaker 3: I feel a little bit like trunch ball.
[2:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, so I really look forward to the summer, and
[2:44] Speaker 1: I just think even just the kids don't wake up
[2:46] Speaker 1: as early, and it's not those mornings aren't so chaotic,
[2:50] Speaker 1: and yeah, I just really really enjoy it. I enjoyed
[2:54] Speaker 1: that they come to work with me. Do we try,
[2:57] Speaker 1: you know, we try and go away for a little bit,
[2:58] Speaker 1: but I just kind of really like being around them
[3:01] Speaker 1: because actually, from like eight in the morning till four
[3:06] Speaker 1: in the afternoon. I'm not really My kids are with
[3:07] Speaker 1: other people because they're at school, so I really do.
[3:10] Speaker 1: I look forward to the summer, But in nine weeks time,
[3:13] Speaker 1: I'll be ready for routine.
[3:15] Speaker 4: I imagine when they come to work with you.
[3:17] Speaker 2: I also just think children sometimes don't get to see
[3:19] Speaker 2: how amazing their parents are in what they do.
[3:22] Speaker 4: So when you know you're kind of building.
[3:24] Speaker 2: Your life around them naturally, Yeah, but then when they
[3:27] Speaker 2: get to see you in your element, it must give
[3:29] Speaker 2: them a little glimpse of other parts of you that
[3:31] Speaker 2: maybe they don't get to see as much.
[3:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And I think I mean they
[3:36] Speaker 1: love to come to my office. I think because there's
[3:38] Speaker 1: a gift in cupboard, So I think that's right at
[3:41] Speaker 1: the minute, they're looking for what lip glosses they can find.
[3:43] Speaker 1: But yeah, I definitely think there's an element of that
[3:46] Speaker 1: that you say is true. And I saw it the
[3:48] Speaker 1: other day when we were in the office and we
[3:52] Speaker 1: were sort of having a meeting and they were playing
[3:55] Speaker 1: and then at the end of my office we've moved
[3:57] Speaker 1: since you're on the podcast, at the end of my
[3:59] Speaker 1: office is podcast studio, and they were like pretending they
[4:02] Speaker 1: were into be in each other and it sort of
[4:06] Speaker 1: like shocks me how much they listen to what we say,
[4:08] Speaker 1: and so yeah, Value was pretending to be me and
[4:11] Speaker 1: she had it down by Yeah.
[4:13] Speaker 3: If ever, I need to pull a sicky.
[4:15] Speaker 1: I just kind of like the fact that they find
[4:17] Speaker 1: the idea of coming to work like so exciting, and
[4:21] Speaker 1: I think it's all sort of like like playing shops
[4:23] Speaker 1: when you were little, you know. I think there's a
[4:25] Speaker 1: bit of that to it, and I think, oh God,
[4:27] Speaker 1: what am I going to do with them today?
[4:28] Speaker 3: I've got to bring them to work.
[4:29] Speaker 4: But actually, to them, they love it entertaining.
[4:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, do you pay them back things that you've done
[4:34] Speaker 2: in the past, like your songs? And do they know
[4:38] Speaker 2: who Rochale is or do they know you just as mum?
[4:40] Speaker 1: This is the problem with YouTube now. They weren't really
[4:43] Speaker 1: interested in it before. And then Blake, my son has
[4:46] Speaker 1: really become obsessed with guys. I'm sure that he's like
[4:52] Speaker 1: the ones that are like on the forums or like
[4:54] Speaker 1: on Instagram starting these positions to get the seas back together.
[4:57] Speaker 3: I think it might be him.
[4:58] Speaker 1: Well, but he's discovered it and he's like really kind
[5:02] Speaker 1: of excited by it. And I think where their dad performs,
[5:06] Speaker 1: but he they reunite all the time, so they still
[5:08] Speaker 1: go on tour like they've got an arena to at
[5:10] Speaker 1: the end of the year, and they're always a big
[5:12] Speaker 1: part of that, the children. So I think it's kind
[5:15] Speaker 1: of that's relatively normal, but the idea of me doing that,
[5:18] Speaker 1: I think feels really different.
[5:19] Speaker 3: So it's yeah.
[5:21] Speaker 1: And what is so funny because in every video they
[5:23] Speaker 1: all say to me, was I in your tummy there?
[5:25] Speaker 1: And I was said no, Alaya was in my tummy there,
[5:28] Speaker 1: and Blake said, okay, so where was I?
[5:30] Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, you wasn't you know? You didn't
[5:33] Speaker 3: You wasn't a thing.
[5:34] Speaker 4: Then He's like, I want my moment.
[5:38] Speaker 1: Trying and explain to them, like actually, where were you
[5:40] Speaker 1: you were? Kind of you're a wish, You're a wish
[5:43] Speaker 1: at that point.
[5:44] Speaker 2: Do you find when you have gone through obviously so
[5:46] Speaker 2: many different not ears of your life to make it
[5:49] Speaker 2: sound like you've been here for so long, but so
[5:51] Speaker 2: many different versions of yourself? Yeah, did you feel you
[5:54] Speaker 2: had to close one chapter to move on to the
[5:56] Speaker 2: next or did you feel you were able to did
[5:59] Speaker 2: it I feel completed as you were going through it
[6:02] Speaker 2: because I find a lot of people have to aggrieve
[6:04] Speaker 2: parts of themselves to move on to the next stage,
[6:07] Speaker 2: whereas from what I can see from you, you kind
[6:10] Speaker 2: of flowed into so many different directions.
[6:12] Speaker 4: Did it feel smooth for you?
[6:14] Speaker 1: I think I've got so much that I'm interested in,
[6:16] Speaker 1: and I've always been that way, Like, there's so many
[6:19] Speaker 1: different I sort of grew up in an era where
[6:21] Speaker 1: you went to like a performing arts school of a weekend,
[6:25] Speaker 1: and that's sort of what I did. So we would
[6:26] Speaker 1: do singing, we'd do acting, we'd do dancing. I wasn't
[6:30] Speaker 1: great at dancing, but we did it all we do,
[6:32] Speaker 1: like me, like, there was so many different parts of it.
[6:36] Speaker 1: There was then so much that I was interested in.
[6:38] Speaker 1: It wasn't so kind of you didn't really have a ceiling.
[6:41] Speaker 1: He wasn't so pigeonholed. But I remember when the band
[6:46] Speaker 1: sort of wrapped up, and then I was really clear
[6:48] Speaker 1: that I wanted to get I've done a bit of
[6:50] Speaker 1: TV before, and I knew I wanted to get back
[6:52] Speaker 1: into TV. Everybody else sort of found it a lot
[6:55] Speaker 1: more difficult than I did, almost like, but you're a
[6:58] Speaker 1: pop star, this is TV, And it was quite an
[7:01] Speaker 1: interesting conversation at the time, and then when I got
[7:04] Speaker 1: accepted back into a space that I was already actually
[7:07] Speaker 1: in before I was in the girl band, it kind.
[7:11] Speaker 3: Of then makes sense.
[7:12] Speaker 1: But I think sometimes it takes other people more time
[7:16] Speaker 1: to get their head around something because they kind of
[7:18] Speaker 1: see you as that and that's where they see you.
[7:20] Speaker 1: And I think when you enter I feel like and
[7:23] Speaker 1: as women too, like very multifaceted.
[7:27] Speaker 3: There's a lot to us. There's a lot of like
[7:28] Speaker 3: there's a lot.
[7:29] Speaker 1: Of things that interest us, and I've always sort of
[7:32] Speaker 1: gone with that, and I love the idea of like
[7:34] Speaker 1: pivoting and maybe putting that on ice for a bit
[7:37] Speaker 1: and actually really exploring that side of myself. But I
[7:40] Speaker 1: do think, yeah, as I said, I think it takes
[7:43] Speaker 1: it's more shocking to everyone else sometimes than it is
[7:45] Speaker 1: to you.
[7:46] Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, I still like that.
[7:47] Speaker 1: But I'm really focused on this at the minute, and
[7:49] Speaker 1: I find this really exciting.
[7:50] Speaker 2: I find people just don't like the idea of duality.
[7:53] Speaker 2: People find it really difficult to grasp that, and they
[7:57] Speaker 2: use the drama where it's kind of like, oh, this
[7:59] Speaker 2: must have ended because it's so bad or something happened,
[8:02] Speaker 2: and that's why she said to me, Yeah, you know,
[8:04] Speaker 2: there's so many people find it difficult to see just
[8:08] Speaker 2: someone flowing through life versus there being difficulties and turbulences
[8:13] Speaker 2: that get them to got them to that point.
[8:14] Speaker 1: It's so true, and I think I think it's also
[8:16] Speaker 1: quite a British thing that we kind of look at
[8:18] Speaker 1: the negative sometimes before the positive, and I think that
[8:21] Speaker 1: it holds a mirror up. Yes, to some you hold
[8:24] Speaker 1: a mirror up someone else when they might also want
[8:27] Speaker 1: to change. But because it is, it can be quite
[8:30] Speaker 1: a brave thing as well sometimes to be actually, I'm
[8:33] Speaker 1: going to park everything I know and try something a
[8:37] Speaker 1: little different.
[8:38] Speaker 3: But I think that really excites me.
[8:40] Speaker 1: And I'm so interested in everyone else and what they
[8:43] Speaker 1: do and how they've built certain things, and you know,
[8:47] Speaker 1: what makes other people tick that I kind of I
[8:50] Speaker 1: love that.
[8:50] Speaker 3: I love hearing about people trying new things.
[8:52] Speaker 2: It really does take people time to catch up before
[8:55] Speaker 2: even if you are so comfortable with something. I've noticed
[8:58] Speaker 2: that too, it takes people time to catch up to
[9:00] Speaker 2: the new version of yourself that they're Yeah, but because
[9:03] Speaker 2: they haven't maybe seen the evolving that's happening behind doors.
[9:07] Speaker 2: So for them, it's I'm going from this to this,
[9:09] Speaker 2: and people feel like there's a disconnect, but for you,
[9:12] Speaker 2: there's not a disconnecte because.
[9:13] Speaker 1: It change scares people, right like like I think some
[9:16] Speaker 1: people really embrace change and that's exciting, but others kind
[9:20] Speaker 1: of repel that a little bit. And I think it
[9:23] Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you change or anything you know personally.
[9:28] Speaker 3: But for me, I love it. I love a house move,
[9:31] Speaker 3: I love.
[9:31] Speaker 1: A new I love to the bones like I can't.
[9:34] Speaker 1: I'm definitely like got like a gypsy heart.
[9:37] Speaker 4: You've been in the industry since you were what twelve
[9:40] Speaker 4: or early twelve?
[9:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, how weird is that?
[9:42] Speaker 2: Did you ever have a time where you just wanted
[9:44] Speaker 2: to ghost and just not you know, just feel like
[9:48] Speaker 2: you needed time to figure things out? Or have things
[9:52] Speaker 2: always felt figured out for you?
[9:53] Speaker 3: Yeah? I think things have always felt figured out.
[9:56] Speaker 4: What does that feel like?
[9:57] Speaker 1: But no, but not in a way of like them
[10:00] Speaker 1: being figured out. I felt like, oh, my calling's here,
[10:05] Speaker 1: and I know what I want to do. There was
[10:07] Speaker 1: the roadmap wasn't there, but I knew what I want,
[10:10] Speaker 1: Like I kind of always knew what I wanted and
[10:12] Speaker 1: I do at different points, but I don't know how
[10:15] Speaker 1: that you know the first clue of how I'm going
[10:17] Speaker 1: to get there, so's the figuring out to do. But
[10:19] Speaker 1: I did feel like I knew what I wanted.
[10:23] Speaker 4: If that's amazing.
[10:24] Speaker 2: So many parts of my life I feel have been
[10:26] Speaker 2: feeling lost and then somewhat finding and then feeling lost again.
[10:30] Speaker 2: So it's really interesting for someone who's felt like that
[10:33] Speaker 2: in their life. If anyone's listening that's felt the same,
[10:35] Speaker 2: what's been your north start of knowing that this is
[10:39] Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to do.
[10:40] Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting question, and I don't
[10:43] Speaker 1: think also I think that's that also makes it feel
[10:46] Speaker 1: like you've got everything sewn up. And I think sometimes
[10:49] Speaker 1: it's harder knowing what you want actually because when you're
[10:52] Speaker 1: not in it, I'm.
[10:54] Speaker 3: Like, no, but this, I know this is where I'm.
[10:56] Speaker 1: Going, but this, So then I think sometimes that actually,
[11:00] Speaker 1: when you're in the present and the future hasn't happened yet,
[11:05] Speaker 1: that can actually be harder because I'm actually not happy here,
[11:09] Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be there. So I think, as I said,
[11:13] Speaker 1: I've known what I wanted. It's like putting it in
[11:16] Speaker 1: layman's terms, like I know what I want to wear tonight.
[11:18] Speaker 3: I've seen it.
[11:19] Speaker 1: I've seen nothing, and I've got it in my mind,
[11:21] Speaker 1: and I'm going shopping and I exactly what i want.
[11:23] Speaker 3: I can't find it, find it. It's like that.
[11:26] Speaker 1: So it's not always that you feel comfortable in that
[11:28] Speaker 1: because I know where I want to be. For me,
[11:31] Speaker 1: I've always felt like the thing that I know that
[11:33] Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do is like the thing that I
[11:36] Speaker 1: find easy but people are really curious about, or it
[11:40] Speaker 1: might appear hard to most and that could look different
[11:43] Speaker 1: Like I'm like my friends that are like so incredibly smart,
[11:47] Speaker 1: and like for me, like finances and anything math or
[11:52] Speaker 1: anything in that space is so alien and my brain
[11:56] Speaker 1: does not that part of my brain does not activate.
[11:58] Speaker 3: It never has. Like from school my mum would.
[12:02] Speaker 1: Remember my mom saved up to get me a massachutor
[12:04] Speaker 1: because there was no way I was going to pass
[12:06] Speaker 1: the exams.
[12:07] Speaker 3: Still didn't. Yeah, it just doesn't. That doesn't.
[12:10] Speaker 1: So for me, someone that's like an accountant or someone
[12:14] Speaker 1: that's like head of finance, I'm like in awe of
[12:17] Speaker 1: because that's the thing that like, of course they work
[12:20] Speaker 1: out that comes easy to them to me as heart,
[12:22] Speaker 1: but then you they would have that appreciation for you
[12:25] Speaker 1: on the flip side, So I think your thing comes
[12:27] Speaker 1: quite apparent when it's easy to you but hard to most.
[12:31] Speaker 4: I guess it's kind of like pain to your strengths.
[12:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
[12:33] Speaker 4: To do that, you have to know and be aware
[12:35] Speaker 4: of what your strengths are.
[12:36] Speaker 2: Yes, And did you feel like you had How did
[12:39] Speaker 2: you create a lot of self awareness growing up? Because
[12:41] Speaker 2: I think what you're talking about takes that. It takes
[12:44] Speaker 2: a lot of tuning in listening to what I want,
[12:47] Speaker 2: not what maybe what other people want for me. And
[12:49] Speaker 2: I think that's often where people get lost, is in
[12:52] Speaker 2: this noise of all these people are saying I should
[12:54] Speaker 2: be doing this, or I should be good at math,
[12:56] Speaker 2: or this is the trajectory I should be on. But no,
[12:59] Speaker 2: you had self awareness to say, actually, this is what
[13:02] Speaker 2: I'm following. What do you feel has been that deeper
[13:05] Speaker 2: rooted intention behind the things that you do that's kind
[13:09] Speaker 2: of joined each one to the yas?
[13:11] Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
[13:12] Speaker 1: I also, like, I think that you can't know the
[13:15] Speaker 1: answer to that unless you try everything right. And I
[13:18] Speaker 1: say that to my kid, like I must have bought
[13:20] Speaker 1: every uniform right for my eldest every club, like I've
[13:25] Speaker 1: saved them all because I know the others are going
[13:26] Speaker 1: to need to try it.
[13:28] Speaker 3: You know, to use it.
[13:29] Speaker 1: But I really think like variety is a spice of life.
[13:33] Speaker 1: I really believe that, and I think trying everything to
[13:36] Speaker 1: know what sits and also you'll know what feels right.
[13:40] Speaker 1: You might be great at something, but we might not
[13:42] Speaker 1: enjoy it. Yeah, so then that also isn't your thing
[13:44] Speaker 1: because it's not giving you that spark that you need.
[13:48] Speaker 3: I think I've always been so curious.
[13:51] Speaker 1: I've always want it to be a bit of a
[13:53] Speaker 1: sponge and like if I've been interested in something like
[13:57] Speaker 1: sort of surround myself with people that are doing it
[13:59] Speaker 1: in a way that I'd love to or And that's
[14:02] Speaker 1: like from being a little one, right, like being really
[14:05] Speaker 1: kind of inspired by other people asking questions. And I've
[14:09] Speaker 1: always put myself out there. I was actually really shy
[14:12] Speaker 1: as a kid, and that's the reason my mum actually
[14:15] Speaker 1: sent me to a dance school or like performing art
[14:19] Speaker 1: school because I had like a stammer and I had
[14:22] Speaker 1: chicken pox and weirdly it left me with a stammer.
[14:25] Speaker 3: And it's like it can sometimes happen. It happened to
[14:27] Speaker 3: my son too.
[14:28] Speaker 1: And I went to speech therapy and I was that
[14:31] Speaker 1: then made me even shyer than I was, so I'd
[14:34] Speaker 1: be like the kid that would like hang behind my
[14:36] Speaker 1: mom's legs and like that was kind of it. And
[14:39] Speaker 1: then when my mom was taking me to speech therapy,
[14:42] Speaker 1: they were like, I have you thought about sending it someone
[14:44] Speaker 1: to bring her confidence out of it?
[14:46] Speaker 3: I mean the irony of that my.
[14:48] Speaker 1: Mom was then she couldn't shut me up, you know,
[14:53] Speaker 1: really activated something here, and so I think but then
[14:56] Speaker 1: from that point, so I started off really shy, and
[14:58] Speaker 1: then from that point I've.
[15:00] Speaker 3: Then just so curious. And then I found like my people.
[15:03] Speaker 1: I was very sort of one best friend at school, right,
[15:07] Speaker 1: which and I see that in my eldest and I'm like,
[15:09] Speaker 1: you can be friends of everybody, take a little bit
[15:12] Speaker 1: from everyone, because when that one best friend doesn't come in,
[15:15] Speaker 1: they're not very well you know you kind of I
[15:17] Speaker 1: see that in myself, and it's the thing that I
[15:19] Speaker 1: wish I didn't have when I was young. But then
[15:22] Speaker 1: I went to performing arts and I sort of found
[15:23] Speaker 1: my people and we had so much in common, and
[15:27] Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and I just I tried everything and
[15:31] Speaker 1: then it became really clear to me.
[15:33] Speaker 2: I think that's it's so true, the idea of one
[15:37] Speaker 2: not having fear. That's what I'm also hearing from you,
[15:39] Speaker 2: where you were just okay trying things, and sometimes we
[15:42] Speaker 2: stop ourselves because of the failure. Yeah, and you're thinking, oh,
[15:45] Speaker 2: you think of all the what ifs before you've even
[15:46] Speaker 2: taken one step towards it.
[15:48] Speaker 4: And then what you said about curiosity.
[15:50] Speaker 2: I was thinking about this recently because my friend messaged
[15:53] Speaker 2: me and she said, I don't know what people do
[15:55] Speaker 2: on a Sunday, I'm so bored. And I was thinking
[15:57] Speaker 2: about the last time I was bored that when I
[15:59] Speaker 2: was channing that thought, and I was like, actually, I
[16:02] Speaker 2: don't The last time I was bored might have been
[16:04] Speaker 2: when I was younger, maybe a teenager. I said, oh,
[16:06] Speaker 2: I'm so bored, but I haven't been bored since, and
[16:08] Speaker 2: I was thinking about why. And I really think it's
[16:11] Speaker 2: this spark of curiosity that stops someone from either being
[16:15] Speaker 2: lost or being bored in life, because if you're curious,
[16:19] Speaker 2: that means you're present because you're constantly taking things in
[16:22] Speaker 2: in life, You're constantly trying to speak to new people
[16:25] Speaker 2: like you do on your podcast. Or making friends with
[16:28] Speaker 2: different people to understand them better. And then with curiosity,
[16:33] Speaker 2: there's not really a space for boredom, and there's not
[16:35] Speaker 2: really a space to be lost because you're constantly seeking
[16:38] Speaker 2: and you're finding things in different places, which if you
[16:41] Speaker 2: weren't really curious, you could easily be bored actually because
[16:46] Speaker 2: and you could easily be lost. Yeah, And that's what
[16:48] Speaker 2: I found in my life the moments that when I
[16:51] Speaker 2: was thinking when you were speaking, I was like, why
[16:53] Speaker 2: have I felt in moments of my life many times
[16:56] Speaker 2: that I've been lost? And I think it has been
[16:58] Speaker 2: times where I've maybe tuned out and not been as
[17:01] Speaker 2: present and not been as curious. And as soon as
[17:03] Speaker 2: I get into another course or I start speaking to
[17:06] Speaker 2: someone about what they're doing, it sparks something in my
[17:09] Speaker 2: mind where I'm like, oh, actually, let me try this.
[17:12] Speaker 1: Yes, And then all of a sudden, exactly, Yeah.
[17:17] Speaker 2: Has there been a time in your life where you
[17:19] Speaker 2: felt misunderstood throughout your journey? And I think that's something.
[17:23] Speaker 2: The reason I'm asking is because I find a lot
[17:25] Speaker 2: of people whenever I post things about being misunderstood, whether
[17:28] Speaker 2: it's someone who's in the public eye or whether it's
[17:30] Speaker 2: someone who's not being misunderstood seems to be a big
[17:33] Speaker 2: core part that people find difficult to come to terms with.
[17:39] Speaker 2: So imagine being in the public eye. That's even more difficult.
[17:42] Speaker 2: One has that happened to you and to how do
[17:44] Speaker 2: you deal with that on a day to day basis,
[17:46] Speaker 2: and then also on a mass scale.
[17:48] Speaker 3: I think in.
[17:48] Speaker 1: Terms of being the public eye, I've really it's weird.
[17:52] Speaker 1: I still don't feel like I am in the public right.
[17:53] Speaker 1: I guess so strange. I think I live so privately
[17:57] Speaker 1: for someone in the public eye, if that makes sense.
[18:00] Speaker 1: I don't really feel like I've ever had that relationship
[18:02] Speaker 1: with the media where I'm it becomes that real transactional thing.
[18:07] Speaker 1: I feel really lucky that I've toe this line that
[18:11] Speaker 1: my friends are all my friends.
[18:13] Speaker 3: They don't really in that world.
[18:15] Speaker 1: So when I say I'm going to work like, I'm
[18:17] Speaker 1: sort of like, okay, I'm off to work today. But
[18:20] Speaker 1: then when I'm not in that space, I'm not really
[18:22] Speaker 1: hanging out at celeb spots, I'm not. Really that's not
[18:26] Speaker 1: my world. It really isn't. So I kind of when
[18:30] Speaker 1: I hear people because I watched interviews and I hear
[18:31] Speaker 1: other people in the public eye, and there's a lot
[18:33] Speaker 1: of it. I understand because I think we're accessible now
[18:37] Speaker 1: with like social media and stuff, so we do understand that,
[18:40] Speaker 1: and there's opinion, but I don't feel like I really
[18:42] Speaker 1: tout that.
[18:43] Speaker 3: I don't know if that makes sense.
[18:45] Speaker 1: So I kind of there will be things that I
[18:46] Speaker 1: go to that I know that are like fun days,
[18:48] Speaker 1: Like we just went to Wimbledon and I love it
[18:51] Speaker 1: and we're there to watch the tennis, but I know there's.
[18:53] Speaker 3: Going to be preparatzi when I get there, so I
[18:55] Speaker 3: put a nice outfit on.
[18:57] Speaker 1: But apart from those moments, which are rare for me,
[19:00] Speaker 1: I'm very much away from everything.
[19:03] Speaker 4: That's so nice that you managed to get a good balance.
[19:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know if that sort of really
[19:07] Speaker 1: happened when I had children, though it's kind of my
[19:09] Speaker 1: life is that So my life looks, you know, like
[19:14] Speaker 1: doing everything every other mum does. It's not like there's
[19:17] Speaker 1: not really anything different apart from my go to work
[19:20] Speaker 1: and it's a little bit more glitzy. But when the
[19:22] Speaker 1: outfit's off, when I'm I'm very much at home. I've
[19:25] Speaker 1: always had a really funny relationship with being misunderstood and
[19:29] Speaker 1: it's something that I think, well, I think we all
[19:32] Speaker 1: dislike it, don't we. But I think it's something that
[19:35] Speaker 1: really sits weird for me, And I think that's maybe
[19:39] Speaker 1: something that maybe isn't so public for me, that's more
[19:41] Speaker 1: kind of maybe in friendship groups or in work or
[19:45] Speaker 1: in I'm very much a people person, and I'm very
[19:49] Speaker 1: much that person where someone's kind of misunderstood what I
[19:53] Speaker 1: meant or my intent or how that looks or what
[19:56] Speaker 1: that meant.
[19:57] Speaker 3: It really kind of mean to It affects my whole aura.
[20:02] Speaker 1: And until I've like completely digested it and like had
[20:07] Speaker 1: it lived through my body, then I'm at peace with it,
[20:09] Speaker 1: Like I can't. It really way heavy on me if
[20:12] Speaker 1: I think I've upset someone, if I think somebody took
[20:15] Speaker 1: what I said in the wrong way, if somebody questions
[20:19] Speaker 1: emotive or an intention and there wasn't one, I'm like,
[20:21] Speaker 1: oh my god, why would they think that? It really
[20:24] Speaker 1: is something that's never But my mum said, I've always
[20:26] Speaker 1: been like that, So then I sort of start doing
[20:30] Speaker 1: the most because I don't want somebody.
[20:31] Speaker 4: To say I'm.
[20:34] Speaker 1: Like going above or But then actually, if it was
[20:38] Speaker 1: on the flip side, I would think that actually looks.
[20:39] Speaker 3: Like guilt, but it isn't.
[20:41] Speaker 1: It's more just like, so, I think that's always something
[20:44] Speaker 1: that I've I read let them like everyone else did,
[20:49] Speaker 1: the Metal Robin's book, and I really need to sort
[20:51] Speaker 1: of channel that more. But I'm so I really wear
[20:54] Speaker 1: my heart on my sleeve, and yeah, I think that
[20:57] Speaker 1: would be something that I always find challenging.
[21:00] Speaker 3: I really do.
[21:01] Speaker 4: I think it's the biggest.
[21:02] Speaker 2: The biggest struggle is when you know that wasn't what
[21:05] Speaker 2: was meant to You're in from that the action or
[21:08] Speaker 2: those words were not meant to be received in that way. Yeah,
[21:11] Speaker 2: that's the hardest, and I struggle with it so much.
[21:14] Speaker 2: So partly I was asking for myself because it's something
[21:16] Speaker 2: I I go above and beyond to the point where
[21:19] Speaker 2: I could look psychotic.
[21:21] Speaker 4: Same and I'm trying to over explain.
[21:22] Speaker 2: You get three voice notes from me, and then you
[21:24] Speaker 2: don't reply, and then somehow I'm like checking your story
[21:28] Speaker 2: and then I'm replying to your story and.
[21:30] Speaker 1: It's almost like I'm testing it and I do. Oh,
[21:32] Speaker 1: they are upset with me exactly. I don't know why.
[21:34] Speaker 1: By the way, this happens like it's it's like not often,
[21:39] Speaker 1: but when it.
[21:39] Speaker 3: When it does, it will affect me for months and
[21:42] Speaker 3: I'll think it.
[21:42] Speaker 1: And I'll think, oh gosh, I would hate them to
[21:45] Speaker 1: think that of me.
[21:47] Speaker 3: So I'm probably the wrong person to ask I can
[21:49] Speaker 3: help you. I'm like, like you say, to the point
[21:51] Speaker 3: where I could come across psychotic.
[21:54] Speaker 1: I know, because i think, do you know what what
[21:56] Speaker 1: I think it is for me? When you know your
[21:59] Speaker 1: intentions and you know they're coming from a pure place,
[22:03] Speaker 1: but it could be perceived and it's all situational, right, exactly, Well,
[22:07] Speaker 1: I spoke to so and so and they thought this,
[22:09] Speaker 1: and they said this, and then that could seem like
[22:11] Speaker 1: an easy answer, and it's believable because there's an element
[22:15] Speaker 1: of truth to it.
[22:17] Speaker 3: I think it's Sank the wise heavy and I think
[22:19] Speaker 3: it'll always weigh heavy on me.
[22:21] Speaker 1: And I think when you know your intentions are pure,
[22:23] Speaker 1: I then become like my own campaigner. Yes, and I
[22:27] Speaker 1: want to campaign for those intentions.
[22:29] Speaker 3: And I'm like, do you know what? This is ridiculous?
[22:31] Speaker 4: And let them as probably my husband's a.
[22:33] Speaker 3: Very good sounding board for me, and.
[22:36] Speaker 2: I'm to hide it from Jade that I've done these things.
[22:38] Speaker 2: And then a month later, by the way, I think
[22:40] Speaker 2: I might have sent three voice notes and two text
[22:44] Speaker 2: messages and then I think I sent a DM and
[22:46] Speaker 2: they still have a response.
[22:47] Speaker 3: He's like, why are you okay? You are are you okay?
[22:50] Speaker 1: And then also he'll be like, Pave, this whole situation
[22:54] Speaker 1: has arisen because that person did something.
[22:57] Speaker 3: Bad to you.
[22:58] Speaker 1: Yes, now you think think that they are acting different
[23:01] Speaker 1: way too, that you might have upset them.
[23:03] Speaker 3: He was like, this is like he thinks I'm crazy. Yeah,
[23:06] Speaker 3: stuff like this, but.
[23:07] Speaker 4: Just a woman.
[23:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always been like.
[23:10] Speaker 1: It, and I wish I wasn't because it's almost toxic
[23:13] Speaker 1: to myself.
[23:14] Speaker 4: I have that same trait.
[23:15] Speaker 2: So I think, you know what, maybe we're in the
[23:17] Speaker 2: right and our husbands are in the wrong.
[23:20] Speaker 3: Do you think No, No, I don't because I know
[23:23] Speaker 3: that it's weird.
[23:24] Speaker 4: It is because it feel he consumed in it.
[23:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[23:27] Speaker 1: And actually, I've got this amazing life coach Door who
[23:30] Speaker 1: actually comes on the podcast sometimes and she's incredible. She
[23:33] Speaker 1: like breaks everything down and she says to me sometimes
[23:37] Speaker 1: that the way that I process situations is that I
[23:40] Speaker 1: really talk about it and I do all the things.
[23:42] Speaker 3: So I do the things and just sent the voice notes.
[23:44] Speaker 1: I will talk to my husband, and I'll say, and
[23:47] Speaker 1: like you said, I'm to a point there where if
[23:48] Speaker 1: it goes on too long, I'm not even telling him
[23:50] Speaker 1: this up date.
[23:51] Speaker 3: Today because he's just going to be like, what you're doing.
[23:53] Speaker 1: But I have to do it to mentally process it,
[23:56] Speaker 1: so I won't. And we say that we should talk, right,
[23:59] Speaker 1: that we should talk about things. But almost on the
[24:02] Speaker 1: flip side, what she was explaining to me that is
[24:04] Speaker 1: sometimes that that you can also do that too much.
[24:07] Speaker 1: So she was like, treated the kind of feeling that
[24:09] Speaker 1: overwhelms you that you have to talk about, and whether
[24:12] Speaker 1: that's like sadness or anxiety or like anger or whatever
[24:16] Speaker 1: that would be if you treat it like a person,
[24:20] Speaker 1: And if a person like opened your front door and
[24:24] Speaker 1: run in every room of your house and was like
[24:26] Speaker 1: shouting at you, talking and doing the most in every house,
[24:29] Speaker 1: you'd be like, Okay, you're going to have to leave.
[24:31] Speaker 1: This is just I don't know you. This is too
[24:33] Speaker 1: much like if it was a person. So that feeling
[24:36] Speaker 1: that makes you feel like you've got all that stuff,
[24:38] Speaker 1: if you just sat with it for a second and
[24:42] Speaker 1: you just acknowledge it, so you sit with it and
[24:45] Speaker 1: almost to yourself for a second. Of course, you can offload,
[24:48] Speaker 1: but if you sit with it and be like, oh,
[24:50] Speaker 1: it's in my chest today, I know it's there, or
[24:53] Speaker 1: it's given me a not in my tummy today and
[24:55] Speaker 1: just acknowledge it. But what I do with that not
[24:58] Speaker 1: in my tummy is EI then try and do a thing.
[25:00] Speaker 1: But actually sometimes that is counter productive because it stays
[25:05] Speaker 1: with you for longer. So if it was crazy person
[25:07] Speaker 1: running in your house, you'd be like, stop, sit there
[25:11] Speaker 1: for a second.
[25:12] Speaker 3: Likely I'm going to talk about this later, So that's
[25:15] Speaker 3: what I need to do with it.
[25:16] Speaker 1: It can be just as toxic as keeping something in sometimes.
[25:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like that whatever you put your
[25:22] Speaker 2: energy towards grows, and so sometimes talking about something too
[25:25] Speaker 2: much or putting too much energy towards it, well, naturally
[25:28] Speaker 2: that's going to end up expanding rather than shrinking. Yes,
[25:31] Speaker 2: and so something that felt maybe like it was just
[25:33] Speaker 2: in your chest at first ends up feeling like it's
[25:36] Speaker 2: in your entire body when you end up putting too
[25:38] Speaker 2: much on it.
[25:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, which does make sense, it does, So I do
[25:41] Speaker 1: try and like that.
[25:42] Speaker 3: It's actually really helped me processing.
[25:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that analogy. I'm going to use it. Yeah,
[25:46] Speaker 4: just stay right there.
[25:47] Speaker 3: There, you just stay there for a second. I got you.
[25:49] Speaker 3: I know what this is.
[25:50] Speaker 1: I'm not going to send five thousand crazy voices a
[25:53] Speaker 1: campaign for just one.
[25:55] Speaker 2: Has your idea of success or things that you thought
[25:57] Speaker 2: success would bring you from when you were younger changed
[26:00] Speaker 2: to now? Really, could you share some of the things
[26:03] Speaker 2: that you feel that you reflect on.
[26:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think maybe I thought that success was having
[26:12] Speaker 1: a great job. Like I grew up with my mom
[26:14] Speaker 1: and my mum raised me, and when I was born,
[26:17] Speaker 1: my mum and I lived in a hostel until my
[26:20] Speaker 1: mum got a council flat and then we remember when
[26:25] Speaker 1: we got a house and it was like we got
[26:27] Speaker 1: this council house and my mum then worked and she
[26:30] Speaker 1: bought the council house off of the and that was
[26:32] Speaker 1: like we had literally won the year Reminions like it
[26:36] Speaker 1: was and that was kind of like seeing that and
[26:39] Speaker 1: watching my mum do that was just incredible. But I
[26:42] Speaker 1: think I then really equated success to financial stability and
[26:47] Speaker 1: to being able to have a car that was a
[26:51] Speaker 1: nice car, and to be able to have a holiday.
[26:54] Speaker 1: And then I suppose those things then grew and then
[26:57] Speaker 1: it became a for me, success was then keeping hold
[27:02] Speaker 1: of all those things. And I think I will always
[27:05] Speaker 1: have that working class in me where success is making
[27:11] Speaker 1: sure my kids can have that. You know, not the most,
[27:14] Speaker 1: but I never want them to want for anything. And
[27:17] Speaker 1: for me, that is, you know, if I've got a
[27:20] Speaker 1: good job and I can earn good money, that's what
[27:22] Speaker 1: that's for, like you know, and not in a way
[27:24] Speaker 1: of them being spoiled. They've got a real I'm very
[27:29] Speaker 1: obsessed with making sure that my kids understand the value
[27:32] Speaker 1: of money and how that looks and what that means.
[27:35] Speaker 1: And Okay, but your birthday's in October, that's what we're
[27:38] Speaker 1: happening in it, like let's write a list for our
[27:40] Speaker 1: birthday because we But you know, it's also something that
[27:43] Speaker 1: I've also worked on because I don't want them to
[27:45] Speaker 1: ever want for anything.
[27:46] Speaker 3: But I think that for me, that's what success meant.
[27:51] Speaker 1: But I will always have that in me at the
[27:53] Speaker 1: back because I know that things can come and go.
[27:56] Speaker 1: I know that you can be in a band and
[27:58] Speaker 1: tomorrow you're not, and that will mean that your wage stops.
[28:01] Speaker 3: I know how that looks.
[28:02] Speaker 1: So I think I I've always got that hustler in
[28:06] Speaker 1: me that I always want to make sure. Maybe that's
[28:08] Speaker 1: the reason that I'm why I do so many things.
[28:10] Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just heading my bet. If one thing stops,
[28:12] Speaker 1: I've got something else. But I think that that will
[28:15] Speaker 1: always stay. But now my idea of success to me
[28:18] Speaker 1: is like peace. To me is like, of course that
[28:23] Speaker 1: the more financial freedom you have, that also brings a
[28:26] Speaker 1: different level of peace. And I think when people say
[28:28] Speaker 1: money can't buy you happiness, it's true, but it can
[28:32] Speaker 1: give you freedom, and is freedom happiness?
[28:35] Speaker 3: Who knows?
[28:36] Speaker 1: But I think it obviously does change a lot. It
[28:39] Speaker 1: makes problems easier, it oftens the blow. I think when
[28:44] Speaker 1: people sit on podcasts and they have the attitude of
[28:47] Speaker 1: it's not all about money, and I think it's quite
[28:50] Speaker 1: unrelatable to someone that has none, and I think for
[28:53] Speaker 1: them a lot of their problems would be fixed if
[28:55] Speaker 1: they had a healthy bank balance. I think I'm always
[28:58] Speaker 1: aware of that because that was my mind for a
[29:00] Speaker 1: very long time. But I do think that it also
[29:06] Speaker 1: brings a different level of problem.
[29:09] Speaker 3: It also brings, you know, it changes a lot.
[29:13] Speaker 1: It does, and I'm not sat here as a billionaire,
[29:16] Speaker 1: but I have my financial position is very different to
[29:18] Speaker 1: it once was. But I do know that there is
[29:21] Speaker 1: truth in the saying of it can't buy you happiness
[29:25] Speaker 1: because the problems change and everything's relative.
[29:27] Speaker 3: It does. It changes that you have a lovely house, but.
[29:30] Speaker 1: Then that comes with lovely bills and that everything else
[29:33] Speaker 1: that's attached to it.
[29:34] Speaker 3: So I think it's all relative.
[29:35] Speaker 1: But I think that for me now, my idea of
[29:39] Speaker 1: success isn't necessarily being able to afford what I want.
[29:44] Speaker 1: It's kind of friendship. It's great relationship with my children.
[29:53] Speaker 1: It's spending time with my husbands and being able to
[29:57] Speaker 1: do that and still do what I To me, that's
[30:01] Speaker 1: what success is now. And like health and knowing that
[30:05] Speaker 1: you can have all the money in the world, and
[30:07] Speaker 1: of course you can look into different options of health care,
[30:09] Speaker 1: but if something is coming for somebody you love or
[30:14] Speaker 1: for yourself, knowing that, of course, all of that can't
[30:18] Speaker 1: fix it, and as much as you wish it could.
[30:20] Speaker 1: So I think your idea of it definitely for me,
[30:25] Speaker 1: my idea of success has completely changed to like the
[30:27] Speaker 1: eighteen year old, like I.
[30:29] Speaker 3: Want to be.
[30:31] Speaker 2: That.
[30:31] Speaker 1: It's not that, it's not that, And you know, I
[30:35] Speaker 1: think in life I've loved and lost people, and I
[30:39] Speaker 1: think all of that doesn't.
[30:41] Speaker 3: You know, it all goes back to basics. Everything does.
[30:44] Speaker 3: It doesn't.
[30:45] Speaker 1: All of what we do and the great opportunity, none
[30:49] Speaker 1: of it matters, like literally none of it because it
[30:54] Speaker 1: is all about the.
[30:54] Speaker 3: People we love.
[30:55] Speaker 1: And I think, I don't know if that's just an
[30:57] Speaker 1: age thing. I think it yeah, and it is in
[31:00] Speaker 1: the perspective, just it just it does change it does.
[31:03] Speaker 2: I love what you said about money because in our
[31:05] Speaker 2: philosophy and the Vaders, it talks about how actually nothing
[31:08] Speaker 2: is innately good or bad, but a lot of the
[31:11] Speaker 2: time it's how we use that thing. Yeah, it creates
[31:14] Speaker 2: whether it is a good thing or a bad thing.
[31:17] Speaker 2: And I do find that when people I've noticed a
[31:20] Speaker 2: lot when people end up being successful, whether it's financially
[31:22] Speaker 2: or in fame, people end up demonizing it once the
[31:26] Speaker 2: person is successful, so oh my gosh, you've got money,
[31:29] Speaker 2: so now you don't have this, or you've got money,
[31:30] Speaker 2: so now you don't have problems, or people who have
[31:33] Speaker 2: a lot of money can't be religious or spiritual, like
[31:35] Speaker 2: they really find that duality quite difficult to understand. I
[31:39] Speaker 2: think it's because we end up demonizing money based on
[31:43] Speaker 2: what happens in the world.
[31:45] Speaker 4: Money does end up separating a lot of people.
[31:47] Speaker 2: If you have a lot of money, you get benefits
[31:50] Speaker 2: in certain ways, and if you don't, you don't. But
[31:52] Speaker 2: you've experienced both sides. Yeah, And so when it comes
[31:55] Speaker 2: to money, whether you end up having a lot or don't,
[31:59] Speaker 2: I think your mind's can still be the same of
[32:01] Speaker 2: valuing it in the same way. And when you've come
[32:04] Speaker 2: from having not much to then having it, the value
[32:07] Speaker 2: always remains because you will always remember I've come from
[32:10] Speaker 2: not having much, and so now I value this even
[32:13] Speaker 2: more so than if someone was to have it the
[32:16] Speaker 2: whole life.
[32:17] Speaker 4: Yeah, And so.
[32:18] Speaker 1: I think it gives you that different Like I'm like
[32:21] Speaker 1: if me and my husband and my children lived in
[32:26] Speaker 1: the tiniest you know, if we lived where I lived
[32:29] Speaker 1: with my you know, at the beginning of my life.
[32:32] Speaker 3: And this is what I always want.
[32:34] Speaker 1: My kids to know, is that that there is all
[32:36] Speaker 1: that everything, Like of course, you know, and like I said,
[32:41] Speaker 1: we're lucky and opportunity and you can have you know,
[32:44] Speaker 1: and if you can, brilliant, but like those are the fundamentals, right,
[32:49] Speaker 1: Like it doesn't wherever we are in the world, we'll
[32:52] Speaker 1: be fine because we're together and that's kind of the
[32:54] Speaker 1: way that we want to raise them. I also, like
[32:58] Speaker 1: I said, I'm really aware that I perhaps feel that
[33:02] Speaker 1: way because you know, that wasn't my childhood. So I'm
[33:06] Speaker 1: really aware that I always want them to be grateful
[33:10] Speaker 1: and want them to have a real understanding. I think
[33:13] Speaker 1: it's something that I've always toyed with, like will they
[33:17] Speaker 1: be hungry? Will they graft? Will they have like an aspiration?
[33:21] Speaker 1: Because they live in a lovely house and a lovely area.
[33:24] Speaker 1: I probably never would have never wanted to move out
[33:26] Speaker 1: if I lived there when I was younger. So is
[33:28] Speaker 1: it going to give them their own desires to build
[33:32] Speaker 1: their own life?
[33:33] Speaker 3: And how do I make sure that they do?
[33:36] Speaker 1: You know, the parent in me, I'm like toying with
[33:39] Speaker 1: the struggle of yeah, but this is what I work
[33:41] Speaker 1: for for them, to want them to go.
[33:43] Speaker 3: To, you know, to be able to.
[33:44] Speaker 1: So it's really it's it's like a strange idea. Parenting
[33:48] Speaker 1: is a strange idea altogether. But I just want them
[33:53] Speaker 1: to know that you can have everything in the world,
[33:57] Speaker 1: but if the fundamental aren't there, can actually feel like
[34:02] Speaker 1: you've got nothing.
[34:03] Speaker 3: So the fundamentals are there and you're.
[34:05] Speaker 1: Rich, you're rich in love, You're rich in friendship, You're
[34:09] Speaker 1: rich in you know, the best parts of life if
[34:15] Speaker 1: you look after that first.
[34:16] Speaker 2: You know, I think core principles and values are taught
[34:20] Speaker 2: separately to.
[34:21] Speaker 4: Any financial situation.
[34:23] Speaker 2: So you know, I think about my parents came to
[34:26] Speaker 2: the UK's immigrants with literally nothing, and they lived in
[34:28] Speaker 2: refugee camps here and for them, naturally, I will never
[34:32] Speaker 2: be able to have the same mindset as them.
[34:34] Speaker 4: Yeah, I will never be able to because.
[34:35] Speaker 2: They work so hard to allow me to feel like
[34:38] Speaker 2: I am comfortable and for me to never have to
[34:41] Speaker 2: feel like I don't know where my next meal is
[34:44] Speaker 2: coming from, as they have had to. And so there
[34:46] Speaker 2: is a part where if you haven't been through that struggle, naturally,
[34:49] Speaker 2: you may not ever understand the depths of that, but
[34:53] Speaker 2: the values and principles after watching them, So after your
[34:57] Speaker 2: children have watched you live by those values principles, naturally,
[35:01] Speaker 2: that is what they will end up embodying, or they
[35:05] Speaker 2: will end up taking on. Because there's only so much
[35:08] Speaker 2: you can tell someone something, but when someone lives it
[35:10] Speaker 2: and you observe them giving it, it's different. Like my dad,
[35:14] Speaker 2: if I think, even if it reflects on my parents,
[35:16] Speaker 2: Like my dad is one of the simplest people I've
[35:19] Speaker 2: ever met in my life. He no matter what, he's
[35:22] Speaker 2: just simple minded and simple hearted, and no matter how
[35:26] Speaker 2: much his life has changed through the years, all I
[35:28] Speaker 2: will think about is the fact that I've never heard
[35:30] Speaker 2: him say bad things about people. That even if people
[35:33] Speaker 2: do him wrong, he always says, you know, God's going
[35:35] Speaker 2: to take care of it, and he's never let it
[35:38] Speaker 2: bother them. So the things that I remember about him,
[35:40] Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with the amount of gifts
[35:42] Speaker 2: he's given me or the financial stability he's given me,
[35:46] Speaker 2: but the values he's taught me through being who he is.
[35:50] Speaker 2: And same with my mom, Like she's so fiery and
[35:53] Speaker 2: she gets things done and she goes above and beyond
[35:56] Speaker 2: for people. If she says to someone, I'm going to
[35:58] Speaker 2: give you that person's number for the back pain that
[36:01] Speaker 2: you have, for sure two hours later she'll go home
[36:04] Speaker 2: and make that call, And that to me is rare.
[36:06] Speaker 2: People don't often follow through what they say, So the
[36:08] Speaker 2: things that I think about them are based on their
[36:11] Speaker 2: core values of what they're showing me, not necessarily the
[36:14] Speaker 2: fact that we have the phone to ring, or the
[36:16] Speaker 2: fact that we have, They've paid the bills to make
[36:19] Speaker 2: the phone call happen. And so I think you should
[36:21] Speaker 2: take a lot of solace in the fact that you
[36:25] Speaker 2: are showing up. Everything that you have learned from being
[36:29] Speaker 2: who you were is showing up in the way that
[36:31] Speaker 2: you just live and the way that you are.
[36:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, and they'll take that on more.
[36:34] Speaker 1: Than so Funny, isn't it when you're like parenting in
[36:37] Speaker 1: real time. Like I'm the same as you. Like I
[36:39] Speaker 1: look back and I'm like, think of my mom and
[36:42] Speaker 1: how like you know, she didn't have anything, but she
[36:45] Speaker 1: found the means to do this and then found the
[36:47] Speaker 1: main to send me to dance school because she thought
[36:49] Speaker 1: I should go there, and she didn't have the money
[36:51] Speaker 1: and everything else in between, and worked a billion jobs.
[36:55] Speaker 1: But like you say, the things that I that I
[36:58] Speaker 1: hold so dear to my mom, like her values, how
[37:02] Speaker 1: she like you know, she is, like I mean, the
[37:06] Speaker 1: friendliest person you'll ever meet. Like it's almost like we
[37:10] Speaker 1: have like she's like a local celebrity. You like, Mom,
[37:12] Speaker 1: come on, we just get like she knows this person
[37:14] Speaker 1: that one and she takes the time to like find
[37:17] Speaker 1: out about everyone's day, and she's so interested and she's
[37:19] Speaker 1: like the best nan in the world, and like, my
[37:22] Speaker 1: kids are obsessed with her, like obsessed with.
[37:26] Speaker 3: Her, and she's obsessed with them.
[37:28] Speaker 1: But I think it's quite nice for her because she's
[37:30] Speaker 1: kind of doing it all again, but she gives.
[37:32] Speaker 3: Them back, you know, exactly. So special, isn't it.
[37:37] Speaker 1: And I sort of didn't really have that because my
[37:39] Speaker 1: mum's relationship with her mom wasn't the same. So it's
[37:42] Speaker 1: so nice to see them and they're honestly, like she's
[37:46] Speaker 1: like a proper nan, Like she like is like all
[37:49] Speaker 1: for them, calls me, she's like, Hi, we're.
[37:52] Speaker 3: The kids, you know, and it's like I love it.
[37:54] Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so interesting that we can all we
[37:57] Speaker 1: can appreciate our parents and how they've raised us, like
[38:00] Speaker 1: when we look back and think about that, but like
[38:03] Speaker 1: it's so interesting, Like, God, I hope my kids.
[38:05] Speaker 4: Talk about me like that one Oh they will.
[38:08] Speaker 3: So funny, isn't it.
[38:09] Speaker 2: Have you noticed as I'm getting older, I'm really noticing
[38:12] Speaker 2: parts of the things that I would say to my
[38:15] Speaker 2: mom to be less uptight about, or I think, oh
[38:18] Speaker 2: my gosh, I'm living with my grandma right now and
[38:20] Speaker 2: my mom and the similarities and then I'm telling them
[38:24] Speaker 2: not to be like that, and then I'm suddenly noticing,
[38:26] Speaker 2: oh crap, that's me and I have you noticed that
[38:30] Speaker 2: in the traits or something that when you're speaking to you,
[38:34] Speaker 2: I never thought this.
[38:36] Speaker 3: I will say something and I like I literally just
[38:38] Speaker 3: heard my mom. Yeah, and I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah,
[38:41] Speaker 3: I'm everything, and it is crazy.
[38:44] Speaker 1: And it is You're like, oh my god, I'm never
[38:46] Speaker 1: going to say that, and that is just like why
[38:47] Speaker 1: would you? And then I'm like i'd like quoting my mom.
[38:52] Speaker 3: Like we're using it as my own, like what is this?
[38:55] Speaker 2: So?
[38:55] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[38:56] Speaker 1: Everything, and I think just like like, you know, do
[38:59] Speaker 1: you think this is a tell this?
[39:03] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[39:03] Speaker 3: From start to finish the things that I would hear
[39:05] Speaker 3: my mom.
[39:06] Speaker 1: I'm really in the taxi mom and dads phase at
[39:09] Speaker 1: the minute, Like everything is like Elia's like.
[39:12] Speaker 3: Can I see this friend today? Can I see?
[39:14] Speaker 1: And I can remember thinking like why is it such
[39:17] Speaker 1: a big deal? Like you're just dropping me? But when
[39:19] Speaker 1: your day is so planned and then they're like, right,
[39:22] Speaker 1: can I just and I'm not can you get me
[39:24] Speaker 1: at this time now? And You're like I'm like, Eliah,
[39:26] Speaker 1: you've got other siblings, You're not the only one. I've
[39:29] Speaker 1: got to get here, there, and everywhere, And it's so
[39:31] Speaker 1: interesting that I'm like, I just everything.
[39:33] Speaker 3: My mum used to say, I can now relate.
[39:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, they would say, wait till you have children, and
[39:38] Speaker 2: then I haven't got there yet.
[39:39] Speaker 4: But I imagine I'm going to feel the same.
[39:42] Speaker 3: And you'll get it.
[39:42] Speaker 1: You'll be oh my god, this is exacuate, she meant,
[39:45] Speaker 1: and I just thought she was being dramatic.
[39:47] Speaker 2: Is there anything that you feel on the same note
[39:50] Speaker 2: of that, Is there anything you feel like you're trying
[39:51] Speaker 2: to unlearn in your life right now that has that
[39:54] Speaker 2: maybe was a habit or a practice or a behavior
[39:59] Speaker 2: that you're trying to, you know, let go of because
[40:03] Speaker 2: it's not serving you anymore.
[40:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that kind of like the downplaying. I
[40:09] Speaker 1: really am not good at compliments. Yeah, but my mum isn't.
[40:12] Speaker 4: Oh is she not?
[40:13] Speaker 3: She'll start like yeah.
[40:15] Speaker 1: My friend actually, and he sent me a meme the
[40:17] Speaker 1: other day and he was like, this is so you.
[40:19] Speaker 1: And it was like, I'm going to just start saying
[40:22] Speaker 1: thank you when someone compliments me on whatever, rather than
[40:26] Speaker 1: telling them a tale about the outfit where I got it,
[40:30] Speaker 1: like a whole tale and I just and everyone would
[40:34] Speaker 1: think like because of my job that I'm like used
[40:36] Speaker 1: to it. But the truth is people would like you'd
[40:39] Speaker 1: hear a negative before hearing a compliment in this world.
[40:42] Speaker 3: That wasn't right. Let's go for that again. And you know,
[40:44] Speaker 3: that's kind of just how it is. Like it's not
[40:47] Speaker 3: really every.
[40:47] Speaker 1: Day that someone saying to be up by the way,
[40:49] Speaker 1: that show is incredible, or today that interview.
[40:52] Speaker 3: Wow, like that's just not life, is it. We're on
[40:55] Speaker 3: to the next thing.
[40:56] Speaker 1: I really just I've always struggled with compliments, but I
[40:58] Speaker 1: see it from my mum, and I know my mum
[41:00] Speaker 1: does and I get the same thing where we go
[41:02] Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, oh absolutely not. Well, actually I've
[41:05] Speaker 1: been going through this at the minute, so it's should
[41:07] Speaker 1: say that, like we just sort of go really into
[41:11] Speaker 1: ourselves about it and we just have to make a
[41:13] Speaker 1: joke or you know, turn it into a sort of punchline,
[41:18] Speaker 1: because it was just easier than just going thank you,
[41:20] Speaker 1: that's so kind, thank you for saying that.
[41:22] Speaker 4: Someone said that to me to my face, just say
[41:24] Speaker 4: thank you. Yes, I didn't even know them very well.
[41:26] Speaker 4: I was like, oh, thank you, and I was like
[41:28] Speaker 4: going on on a story about something. These people helped
[41:32] Speaker 4: me with this, and these people did that. It really
[41:34] Speaker 4: wasn't me. I really didn't do much just say thank you.
[41:37] Speaker 4: It's okay, Yeah, you can say thank you.
[41:40] Speaker 1: And like my husband said it to me for years
[41:42] Speaker 1: and he's like, it's also really awkward for the person
[41:45] Speaker 1: on the other end of it, just so you know,
[41:46] Speaker 1: so you feel like you're kind of not wanting to
[41:49] Speaker 1: seem arrogant or not this, but actually the person just said, oh,
[41:52] Speaker 1: you look lovely today, is there.
[41:54] Speaker 4: You're giving them a whole spielf.
[41:55] Speaker 3: I just to look nice. It's really not that deep.
[42:00] Speaker 3: Just wanted to know where the dress was from.
[42:02] Speaker 4: I just put it on really fast. I find in
[42:04] Speaker 4: my wardrobe and it was really difficult getting ready this morning.
[42:06] Speaker 4: And yeah, just all the things I do the same
[42:09] Speaker 4: thing and from the same mom. By the way, I
[42:12] Speaker 4: know what we've taken on the same things.
[42:15] Speaker 3: Like when you replate, you're like, yeah, that is yeah,
[42:17] Speaker 3: I don't do that.
[42:18] Speaker 1: It's a little bit awkward and strange, and everyone's uncomfortable
[42:21] Speaker 1: in this conversation, not just me, So.
[42:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, that is.
[42:23] Speaker 1: I don't want my plan to be doing that. I
[42:25] Speaker 1: don't want them to learn this like self deprecating.
[42:28] Speaker 4: Weird, isn't it.
[42:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, because you can just be okay, like it's thanks.
[42:33] Speaker 2: I think a big part of it for me comes
[42:36] Speaker 2: from the balance between being humble and not coming across like,
[42:42] Speaker 2: like you said, a bit arrogant.
[42:43] Speaker 1: But you're full of yourself and like you're like, I
[42:45] Speaker 1: think there's this weird thing as well, the thing that
[42:47] Speaker 1: I know that I have that I never want to
[42:52] Speaker 1: be a stereotype. Of course celeb Yes, don't want to.
[42:55] Speaker 4: But you know what we're doing.
[42:55] Speaker 2: We're mistaking arrogance with confidence, correct, you know. So I
[43:00] Speaker 2: think there's a difference between being and I think it
[43:02] Speaker 2: really is based on the intention in your mind and
[43:04] Speaker 2: when you're saying thank you.
[43:05] Speaker 4: If you're like, thank you so much, that's so sweet.
[43:07] Speaker 2: Haven't had something like that in so long, and I
[43:08] Speaker 2: appreciate it. If that's your mind and your heart saying
[43:11] Speaker 2: that and you say thank you, I feel like the
[43:14] Speaker 2: intention comes through. Words are such a small part of
[43:16] Speaker 2: how people receive what you do. Yeah, And so I think,
[43:20] Speaker 2: and I'm sure you've experienced this. I can tell energy
[43:22] Speaker 2: is off from the moment I meet someone, whether their
[43:25] Speaker 2: words are matching their mind, whether what they're saying is
[43:27] Speaker 2: actually how they're feeling.
[43:28] Speaker 3: Whether you can put your finger on it or not.
[43:30] Speaker 4: You can feel it.
[43:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[43:32] Speaker 2: And so when you say thank you, like when you
[43:34] Speaker 2: came in the door and I was like, you're amazing,
[43:35] Speaker 2: and then you I was like, you feel your energy
[43:38] Speaker 2: is genuine from the moment you say one word. And
[43:41] Speaker 2: so I think we have to become settled in that
[43:43] Speaker 2: where if my intention is that, if the person receiving
[43:47] Speaker 2: it doesn't feel that intention, they're not going to feel it,
[43:49] Speaker 2: whether I say a hundred words or just one.
[43:51] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[43:51] Speaker 2: And when you're not really thinking that way and you
[43:54] Speaker 2: say something, you will feel outderlignment.
[43:56] Speaker 1: I think there's just something and I think maybe that's
[43:58] Speaker 1: this is in me over the years of like like
[44:01] Speaker 1: I said, I probably entered this industry when I was
[44:03] Speaker 1: eleven or two. Yeah, and I think maybe there's something
[44:06] Speaker 1: like there's always that and I hear it, and I
[44:09] Speaker 1: even hear it now kind of in the workplace.
[44:11] Speaker 3: People go, what was she like in real life?
[44:13] Speaker 1: Right? And there's always that thing of not wanting to
[44:16] Speaker 1: be hearing that somebody was like really difficult.
[44:20] Speaker 4: Or really perceived wrong.
[44:21] Speaker 1: Arrogant or really Also those people might just had a
[44:23] Speaker 1: bad day, right, what do we know? But like I
[44:27] Speaker 1: said on this, like campaigning for myself before i've even
[44:30] Speaker 1: so I'm always like, I want everybody to know that
[44:32] Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm actually really like, I'm not difficult, I'm
[44:35] Speaker 1: not I'm on the TV sometimes, but I'm actually right.
[44:37] Speaker 1: And maybe I'm always sort of working from that place
[44:40] Speaker 1: rather than just turning.
[44:41] Speaker 2: Up, which sometimes I can absolutely resonate. But I think
[44:46] Speaker 2: sometimes it almost can stop you from presently being in
[44:50] Speaker 2: the room, interacting and communicating, because I end up thinking
[44:55] Speaker 2: I need to make sure I'm perceived in a certain
[44:57] Speaker 2: way rather than just being a certain way.
[44:59] Speaker 1: Because I think you, like you say, when you know
[45:01] Speaker 1: yourself and you know and not everybody does, so you're
[45:05] Speaker 1: almost I don't want to think it goes back to
[45:07] Speaker 1: what we were talking about before. You don't want everyone
[45:08] Speaker 1: to be misunderstood or so I think it's.
[45:11] Speaker 2: You know what it is because we're going into that
[45:13] Speaker 2: room expecting people to think that, whereas if we went
[45:15] Speaker 2: into the room, it's almost like we're so osing before
[45:19] Speaker 2: getting into the room, we're.
[45:20] Speaker 1: Saying we're down in the control, nothing's happened, nothing's even happen.
[45:24] Speaker 4: We're playing drama for no reason?
[45:25] Speaker 3: Is what we've come to is that what if thing
[45:28] Speaker 3: isn't it?
[45:28] Speaker 1: And I think it's not like you can just but
[45:31] Speaker 1: I think that's what in my older age, I've just
[45:34] Speaker 1: I'm a little bit like more comfortable.
[45:36] Speaker 3: I've done that for so long.
[45:38] Speaker 1: I'm so comfortable in like, well, if they think it,
[45:41] Speaker 1: what am I going to do about it?
[45:42] Speaker 4: Exactly?
[45:43] Speaker 3: Is it going to rock my world?
[45:44] Speaker 2: No? I do think age helps, Like as you get older,
[45:47] Speaker 2: I do think you let go of little things here
[45:49] Speaker 2: and there they start dropping off than yeah, God, otherwise
[45:52] Speaker 2: we'll be carrying that all through life.
[45:53] Speaker 3: Nervous Nellie's yeah. Do they like me? I'm nice? I promise, yeah, exactly.
[45:58] Speaker 4: I want to switch up a little bit.
[46:00] Speaker 2: One of my questions on here was how do you
[46:03] Speaker 2: have three children do everything you do and still look
[46:05] Speaker 2: incredible every single time I see you? But now that
[46:08] Speaker 2: I just heard what you said, you don't have to
[46:10] Speaker 2: answer that question.
[46:12] Speaker 3: Now you know how uncomfortable this is voking me.
[46:15] Speaker 1: One thing I have got really good at understanding is
[46:18] Speaker 1: that self care isn't selfish, and I think I need
[46:22] Speaker 1: that to stay sane. And I'm not going to like
[46:25] Speaker 1: sugarcoat it in any other way. Like I at the
[46:28] Speaker 1: end of the day, whether the kids have just got
[46:31] Speaker 1: to bed, I'm going to run a bath, I'm going
[46:33] Speaker 1: to do all the things that make me feel good.
[46:36] Speaker 1: I really try to get up before them at the minute.
[46:39] Speaker 1: It's quite difficult, not because of them because they're off school.
[46:42] Speaker 2: Just me.
[46:42] Speaker 3: I'm funning hard to get up at the minute.
[46:44] Speaker 1: But I try to have that time of the day
[46:49] Speaker 1: that I'm not wanted or I'm not needed, And that
[46:51] Speaker 1: is like by anybody, by my husband, by my children,
[46:55] Speaker 1: by anyone at the business.
[46:57] Speaker 3: Like I just like that.
[47:00] Speaker 1: I'm to try and I do like pilates or do
[47:02] Speaker 1: it at home. I'm like a real high energy person
[47:06] Speaker 1: and I feel like I've got a lot of energy
[47:08] Speaker 1: to get other people, whether that's friends, whether that's like
[47:11] Speaker 1: you know, one thing that I know about myself.
[47:14] Speaker 3: That is a positive if I'm going to confidence myself,
[47:17] Speaker 3: please do is that I am a good friend.
[47:21] Speaker 1: Like I'm all ears if your problem is my problem,
[47:25] Speaker 1: but not in a way that's like toxic where it
[47:27] Speaker 1: will like drain me. In a way of I know
[47:31] Speaker 1: that my glass is always operating being quite full. So
[47:34] Speaker 1: I know, I've got stuff to pour out, but by
[47:37] Speaker 1: doing that and by being that person, and I have
[47:41] Speaker 1: to have that time for me and I couldn't do
[47:45] Speaker 1: everything without it.
[47:46] Speaker 3: I couldn't. There's been such a sort of for so long.
[47:49] Speaker 1: And I think the world has changed out, which I
[47:52] Speaker 1: love that sort of toxic attitude towards it being like
[47:56] Speaker 1: a vanity piece or it being like and for me,
[47:58] Speaker 1: it literally is just like having a work out or
[48:01] Speaker 1: having a bath, or doing some skincare or doing what
[48:04] Speaker 1: like you know, listening to a podcast or whatever that is.
[48:06] Speaker 1: But having that downtime where I'm not needed or I
[48:10] Speaker 1: need that escapism. Yeah, And I think working out does
[48:13] Speaker 1: that for me. But when I say working out, it
[48:15] Speaker 1: is like strictly pilartis.
[48:17] Speaker 4: Wait, what pilatis do you do?
[48:18] Speaker 3: I do Plartis by Briani. I do at home.
[48:22] Speaker 1: She's got like an app, which is good that I
[48:24] Speaker 1: can just log on wherever or I go, or I
[48:27] Speaker 1: do Reformer. But whatever it is with that form of exercise,
[48:30] Speaker 1: it doesn't, like from a cardio perspective, overwhelm me where
[48:33] Speaker 1: I'm going to just dread it. Yeah, like some people
[48:36] Speaker 1: love cardio and they love that for me, I will like,
[48:38] Speaker 1: if you put me through like one.
[48:39] Speaker 3: Hit class, I'm not coming back right right right.
[48:42] Speaker 1: You know, when you get somewhere and they're like there's
[48:44] Speaker 1: this teacher and they're like, we're going to do a
[48:46] Speaker 1: great class for me.
[48:47] Speaker 3: That isn't it. I'm like, oh, it was too hard
[48:49] Speaker 3: I got. I'm like, be scared to go yea. But
[48:52] Speaker 3: whatever pilatus does.
[48:54] Speaker 1: For my I'm like so in my body that I'm
[48:57] Speaker 1: out of my mind and I like just like witching
[49:00] Speaker 1: off and I don't I can't think of anything el
[49:02] Speaker 1: because I'm too busy trying to get into that.
[49:04] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly that.
[49:06] Speaker 1: So I think for me, it's really really good and
[49:08] Speaker 1: it's really healthy. And I do switch off because I've
[49:12] Speaker 1: got such a busy brain. But I like that for me,
[49:14] Speaker 1: a busy brain is a happy brain, but it does
[49:16] Speaker 1: need to shut down at some point in the day.
[49:19] Speaker 2: I love that you said that about self care because
[49:22] Speaker 2: I think, especially when you are serving so many people
[49:25] Speaker 2: in your life, whether it's a children, husband, you've got
[49:27] Speaker 2: a team, you have to come with a.
[49:29] Speaker 4: Certain amount of energy.
[49:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I actually think self care is service
[49:34] Speaker 2: if you're utilizing it in that way. And so I
[49:36] Speaker 2: think the selfish part comes when if you are doing
[49:41] Speaker 2: a lot of things for yourself and not serving that
[49:43] Speaker 2: energy back to someone or back into the community. But
[49:46] Speaker 2: for most women, and I'm sure many people, a lot
[49:50] Speaker 2: of the time, you have to feel yourself because that
[49:52] Speaker 2: energy is required in so many different places. Because if
[49:56] Speaker 2: you show up to your team with twenty percent, they're
[49:59] Speaker 2: going to endu feeling like they're at twenty percent rather
[50:01] Speaker 2: than one hundred and so and saying with your children
[50:04] Speaker 2: and saying with your husband. Everybody's energy is so interconnective, yes,
[50:07] Speaker 2: and so actually, if everyone was more mindful about how
[50:12] Speaker 2: they looked after each other, they'd probably be less road rage,
[50:15] Speaker 2: there'd be less negative interactions even between family members. And
[50:20] Speaker 2: so I think getting that balance of knowing that these
[50:23] Speaker 2: are the things, and it's not just the empty things
[50:26] Speaker 2: where you.
[50:26] Speaker 4: Go and you just do things for the sake of it.
[50:28] Speaker 2: It's these are the things I know nourish my body,
[50:30] Speaker 2: these are things I know nourish my mind, these are
[50:32] Speaker 2: things I know nourish my heart. And so if I
[50:35] Speaker 2: am getting a balance of all of those, I know
[50:37] Speaker 2: that that will allow me to be energetically available for
[50:41] Speaker 2: other people.
[50:42] Speaker 3: And it's okay to prioritize that.
[50:43] Speaker 1: It's like for that to be at the top, because
[50:46] Speaker 1: that is a necessity if you are, like you say,
[50:50] Speaker 1: that person is, it's a positive for me, Like I
[50:53] Speaker 1: love being the person that people rely.
[50:56] Speaker 3: On or they you know, that isn't It's not a
[50:58] Speaker 3: burden to me. It's really really not.
[51:00] Speaker 1: And I do know that maybe my energy is one
[51:03] Speaker 1: of my best qualities.
[51:05] Speaker 3: So we kind of got to keep that.
[51:06] Speaker 4: Vouch for that.
[51:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, back at you, girl, back at you.
[51:10] Speaker 3: But I think you just have to and you know,
[51:13] Speaker 3: I just don't see it as a negative. But I
[51:15] Speaker 3: never have. I've never understood that kind of like, oh
[51:17] Speaker 3: you take time for yourself. Yeah, god, how do you
[51:19] Speaker 3: have time? I'm like, I have to.
[51:21] Speaker 4: Have you always been such a fashion queen?
[51:24] Speaker 3: I have to ask that question. Oh my god, that's
[51:26] Speaker 3: so nice. I've always been obsessed.
[51:28] Speaker 4: You always loved it. Love you.
[51:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you really can tell because I feel you're Yes,
[51:34] Speaker 2: you're so effortless with it and at the same time,
[51:36] Speaker 2: you're so good at putting pieces together, and that is
[51:38] Speaker 2: actually an art. I think, like fashion is such an art,
[51:42] Speaker 2: and I find every time I see the things I've
[51:44] Speaker 2: got so many of your post pin and I'm like, okay,
[51:46] Speaker 2: I need to get an after that's like this.
[51:48] Speaker 4: But is that something you've always been interested in?
[51:50] Speaker 1: I have just all and my aunt is like has
[51:53] Speaker 1: got a She to me is the most like well
[51:56] Speaker 1: put together queen. Yeah, and I've always like love like
[52:01] Speaker 1: my mum isn't really into fashion, Like she's not. She's
[52:04] Speaker 1: never been like, oh this old you know, I will
[52:07] Speaker 1: borrow something from your aunt. She's never really bothered. But
[52:09] Speaker 1: my aunt is always like I used to love watching
[52:12] Speaker 1: her get ready. I would then babysit my cousins and
[52:15] Speaker 1: I would love like when she's getting ready to go
[52:17] Speaker 1: for dinner and I'm looking at cousins like sitting there
[52:19] Speaker 1: and watching her like she'd always like she's got a
[52:23] Speaker 1: real good eye, and I loved that would always be
[52:26] Speaker 1: like such like fond memories for me, like sitting watching
[52:29] Speaker 1: her get ready. But yeah, so I've always kind of
[52:32] Speaker 1: been obsessed with her wardrobe and loved like I remember
[52:36] Speaker 1: saving up for like my first designer bag in like
[52:40] Speaker 1: the moment that was a real thing. But yeah, really
[52:43] Speaker 1: I've really always appreciated fashion and not like anything groundbreaking,
[52:47] Speaker 1: but I just really like like I do.
[52:50] Speaker 3: My whole mood change is if I love my outfit.
[52:52] Speaker 2: There is something about it dressing up. I got so
[52:55] Speaker 2: lazy during the pandemic. And then also all of our
[52:58] Speaker 2: TeamWorks from our house and so I'd end up being
[53:02] Speaker 2: in sweat a lot of the time. Yeah, of course,
[53:04] Speaker 2: But then I realized how much even for all of
[53:07] Speaker 2: us when we're coming in, if we're actually making an effort,
[53:10] Speaker 2: it really just changed the real that you come to
[53:12] Speaker 2: work with.
[53:13] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it can take you like fifteen minutes
[53:17] Speaker 1: little thing to get yourself ready, but it makes such
[53:19] Speaker 1: a you know, for me, it's always been a thing
[53:23] Speaker 1: to kind of like think about, and I've like put
[53:25] Speaker 1: my out there out the night before.
[53:27] Speaker 3: Yeah I do you do again? To save time the
[53:29] Speaker 3: next day You'll just be like, right, that's for tomorrow.
[53:32] Speaker 3: But yeah, I love it.
[53:33] Speaker 1: I love nothing more than like looking at like That's
[53:37] Speaker 1: That's what I love Instagram for. That's like my happy
[53:39] Speaker 1: like place of like looking at like.
[53:42] Speaker 3: Estal and I love it.
[53:44] Speaker 1: I love it like when I'm like lay on the sofa,
[53:46] Speaker 1: that's what I'm looking opinion or a love interest.
[53:48] Speaker 4: Yeah so good.
[53:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, It's for everything, for like the aesthetic for everything.
[53:54] Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, this is that to me? Like That's
[53:57] Speaker 3: all I'm ever doing on my phone?
[53:58] Speaker 2: Right?
[53:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, people are bring me I'm not answer it scrolling.
[54:03] Speaker 4: Your love for it is, appreciate it, keep doing it.
[54:06] Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
[54:06] Speaker 2: I wanted to call you ask you some business questions
[54:08] Speaker 2: because obviously you have an incredible podcast yourself, like we
[54:11] Speaker 2: mentioned Ladies who Launch, but from everyone that you've had
[54:15] Speaker 2: on obviously there've been epic business women to your own
[54:18] Speaker 2: personal life and your own growth as a business woman,
[54:21] Speaker 2: what would your advice be if you had to pick
[54:23] Speaker 2: one or two things to advise a woman who's starting
[54:27] Speaker 2: her career from ground up.
[54:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels a little bit unsure. What would your
[54:31] Speaker 4: the key messages that you've taken away from I would.
[54:34] Speaker 3: Say that's a really good question.
[54:35] Speaker 1: Obviously it depends on what stage, but I would say
[54:39] Speaker 1: for finding your thing and not like because it's always
[54:42] Speaker 1: a risk when you want to if you want to
[54:44] Speaker 1: start something and start something for yourself, it feels like
[54:47] Speaker 1: a risk. It feels like, oh should I do that?
[54:49] Speaker 1: Which is also sad that we look at it like that,
[54:53] Speaker 1: because actually you're doing it for yourself, so it shouldn't
[54:55] Speaker 1: be a risk. But practically, of course, if you're leaving
[54:59] Speaker 1: a job that you're comfortable in and you've got security
[55:01] Speaker 1: and everyone's got responsibility, it is a risk. So I
[55:05] Speaker 1: would say, without that unwavering, burning desire and that passion
[55:14] Speaker 1: and belief in what it is you want to do,
[55:17] Speaker 1: don't take the risk. Yet that would be I would
[55:19] Speaker 1: I think risks are for taking. But if unless you
[55:22] Speaker 1: have that and that like I'm obsessed, I can't stop
[55:26] Speaker 1: thinking about it, that like it's almost keeping me up
[55:30] Speaker 1: all night, but in a great way, in a way
[55:31] Speaker 1: of like I can't put this thing down, and I
[55:33] Speaker 1: know that there's something in this. I would say wait
[55:36] Speaker 1: until you feel that, because when the days are.
[55:39] Speaker 3: Long and months are hard, and.
[55:43] Speaker 1: However it looks, you need that thing that keeps you going,
[55:47] Speaker 1: because the fire always has to be kind of there, yeah,
[55:51] Speaker 1: and it has to be burning, and even if it's
[55:53] Speaker 1: just like a tiny little thing because you're so drowned
[55:55] Speaker 1: into pleases, it's still there. And that's what's going to
[55:58] Speaker 1: keep you going because with our it and that's the
[56:02] Speaker 1: reason why you work for other people, because you don't
[56:05] Speaker 1: have to have that so much their passion isn't necessarily yours.
[56:07] Speaker 1: It's a great job and you enjoy it, but on
[56:10] Speaker 1: Friday you can close that laptop and it isn't yours.
[56:13] Speaker 1: So I think if you don't feel that, don't put
[56:17] Speaker 1: everything into it, because you're going to need it when
[56:21] Speaker 1: it's the family.
[56:22] Speaker 2: That is the best advice. Me and Jay talk about
[56:25] Speaker 2: this all the time, that you need a level of
[56:27] Speaker 2: we call it delusional optimism. Oh where actually, most people
[56:31] Speaker 2: that we've been around that have become successful no matter
[56:35] Speaker 2: what people are saying, no matter how much the odds
[56:37] Speaker 2: are against them, it's a slight level of delusion. You
[56:41] Speaker 2: need a delusion that, no matter what, this is going
[56:44] Speaker 2: to happen. A delusion that, no matter what people are saying,
[56:47] Speaker 2: this is going to happen. But it's delusional optimism where
[56:50] Speaker 2: actually you're staying you still remain positive about it.
[56:52] Speaker 4: You know that this is the goal.
[56:54] Speaker 2: You have a deep feeling that this is actually going
[56:56] Speaker 2: to happen for me. But you need to constantly feel
[57:00] Speaker 2: date in, date out, and to keep the flame alive.
[57:03] Speaker 3: Oh yes, you know what I mean.
[57:04] Speaker 4: Of course, you keep.
[57:05] Speaker 2: Feeding that flame, even if it's at the lowest that
[57:08] Speaker 2: has possibly been for that dream to stay alive one
[57:11] Speaker 2: hundred great advice.
[57:12] Speaker 1: And because I just think without it, you haven't found
[57:17] Speaker 1: your thing.
[57:18] Speaker 3: That would be my advice.
[57:19] Speaker 1: You can try lots of different things and it will
[57:21] Speaker 1: be the like the tenth thing that works out right,
[57:23] Speaker 1: Like we've all sort of mud, you know what's going
[57:26] Speaker 1: to stick?
[57:27] Speaker 2: Right?
[57:27] Speaker 1: You can try lots of things, of course, and I
[57:29] Speaker 1: think I've tried lots of different things. Like I'm not
[57:31] Speaker 1: saying don't try it, but if you're really having that
[57:34] Speaker 1: moment of like, do I take this risk, you'll know
[57:39] Speaker 1: because you won't be out.
[57:40] Speaker 3: It's a light you can't turn out, Yeah, you can't.
[57:43] Speaker 2: I love that. That's so great, A great piece of advice.
[57:46] Speaker 2: I don't think we need it any more than that.
[57:47] Speaker 2: That one is after you've seen success obviously for so
[57:52] Speaker 2: many years.
[57:53] Speaker 4: What would you say are the three qualities that are
[57:57] Speaker 4: needed for success in life? So we've got one, which
[57:59] Speaker 4: is the he's an optimism.
[58:01] Speaker 3: You've got to be nuts, yeah, be crazy, and you're
[58:04] Speaker 3: halfway there?
[58:04] Speaker 2: Would you say the other two are maybe that you've
[58:06] Speaker 2: embodied or seen I would.
[58:08] Speaker 1: Say that kind of tenacity. And also success isn't linear, right,
[58:13] Speaker 1: Like it hasn't I've had success. Is everything always successful?
[58:16] Speaker 1: Absolutely not, But people only hear the stories. They'll talk
[58:20] Speaker 1: about that for a while and then they haven't seen
[58:22] Speaker 1: the two years of like the graft in between, and
[58:25] Speaker 1: no one interested. So I would say that tenacity to
[58:28] Speaker 1: keep going. And I think they're always all like a combination,
[58:32] Speaker 1: isn't it. You need the fire because without the fire,
[58:34] Speaker 1: the tenacity just won't be there, and that kind of
[58:37] Speaker 1: will to drive. So they're two things that almost need
[58:40] Speaker 1: to work side by side each other. And then this
[58:44] Speaker 1: is the hardest thing. You can never ever find balance,
[58:48] Speaker 1: So I would have like, because I think you're either
[58:52] Speaker 1: being great at something or the other thing's dropping slightly.
[58:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, and I say.
[58:56] Speaker 1: That so much like by being here, you know, kids
[59:01] Speaker 1: are doing clubs and stuff today, right, and then you
[59:04] Speaker 1: know I've got another podcast after this, But I've had
[59:07] Speaker 1: a great certain terms of podcasting, so I'm doing great
[59:10] Speaker 1: here today. And like by sitting here now, neither of
[59:13] Speaker 1: us have sat and checked our emails, and in our business,
[59:16] Speaker 1: somebody's probably chasing us and can't reach us, right, but
[59:18] Speaker 1: this is going well, So like, I think you've got
[59:20] Speaker 1: to have a real clear idea of balance. Isn't what
[59:25] Speaker 1: you're not going to be like find the balance to
[59:27] Speaker 1: be great at everything at once. Like that's a real
[59:30] Speaker 1: unrealistic approach. By being here, we're missing out on something,
[59:35] Speaker 1: but guess what, we'll pick that thing up later.
[59:36] Speaker 3: But then that also means we're not here. So it's
[59:39] Speaker 3: just knowing that it's.
[59:40] Speaker 1: Always it's gonna be the wave and at times it
[59:44] Speaker 1: will be calmer, but you'll pick up what you dropped yesterday.
[59:47] Speaker 3: And that's just but you kind of got to know.
[59:50] Speaker 1: So I would say, be realistic of the idea of
[59:54] Speaker 1: balance and how everything else in your life is going
[59:58] Speaker 1: to look.
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: Your business is thriving, great.
[1:00:01] Speaker 4: I love those two because it's just more like juggling,
[1:00:04] Speaker 4: isn't it than valid?
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think and like I'm yet to find
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: somebody that says and everything of ten, I've just found
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: a way to make everything work all week. If if
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: you ever meet them, please interview there.
[1:00:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, they've got the ultimate delusional.
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: Exactly. Maybe they've got a bit of everything.
[1:00:24] Speaker 4: Okay, I've got a final few rapid fire questions for you.
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: If you could use one wellness product for the next year,
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: what would it be like, what's your current obsession right now.
[1:00:36] Speaker 3: My current obsession is.
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: The well cow elixa you know, the evening.
[1:00:44] Speaker 4: No I need to try.
[1:00:45] Speaker 3: It's really nice.
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: It's like an evening drink. There's one from there, and
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: there's I went. I went off it for a bit
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: because I tried another one called Holy Cacao, which is
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: also lovely. But yeah, having like something nice in the evening,
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: and that's what I'm obsessed with.
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: Love that.
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: A skincare product that is used every single day.
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: Sarah Chapman Ultimate cleans. Oh okay, no, oh my gosh,
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna get you some.
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: Yes, it's so good.
[1:01:11] Speaker 4: I love skincare. A makeup that you will never leave
[1:01:14] Speaker 4: without in your bag.
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: A good concealer. Oh okay, I'm using the Victoria Beckham.
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, clickie, we do. Isn't it incredible?
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: Okay, I have to be honest. I was doing my
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: makeup with my window open, filming, and my concealer rolled
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: out of the window and it's now on someone else's
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: floor downstairs. But that is the one that rolled out
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: so good. It is amazing because it.
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: Does feel like skincare. I like my cup that feels
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: like skin care too.
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: It's such a great balance of skincare and covers. Yeah, okay, same,
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: what are you currently reading or listening to if anything?
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: Well, I actually ordered this book and it's arrived dan Amazon,
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: So I'm going to start tonight. I got recommended this
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: after I was in a meeting and apparently it's like
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: been like the Holy Graph for so many people. It's
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: called Breaking the Habit of being Yourself by doctor Joe Dispenser.
[1:02:07] Speaker 4: Dispenser.
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with Joe Dispenser. He has an incredible documentary and.
[1:02:13] Speaker 4: He does these retreats. Have you have you heard of
[1:02:15] Speaker 4: him before?
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: No?
[1:02:16] Speaker 4: Oh.
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: He does these phenomenal retreats where he literally heals people
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: through basically changing their mindset, whether it's physical ailments, depression,
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: you name it. He has worked out energetic shifts in
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: the body in a way that nobody else has.
[1:02:31] Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to read that book. I love him.
[1:02:33] Speaker 3: Yeah. In the he says how to lose your mind
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: and create a new one.
[1:02:37] Speaker 4: Great, I'm ready to lose my mind.
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: So there we go.
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: What's one thing you wish you had learned when you
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: were younger? And that could be a skill, a sport.
[1:02:47] Speaker 3: Nothing I wish I stuck piano out. I really do.
[1:02:52] Speaker 4: It's a beautiful instrument.
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, I just my middle daughter is learning at the
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: minute and she's really enjoying it.
[1:02:59] Speaker 3: I quit because I didn't like the teacher. Isn't that ridiculous?
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: No, no, it's not. But it really makes a point.
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: And I used to hate going. My mom used to
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: drop me and I was like, I just felt really
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: old and I just didn't like it, and it just
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: was nothing was exciting. So I wish I had like
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: found a teacher that i'd loved and stuck to being
[1:03:18] Speaker 1: able to play, Like what a great.
[1:03:19] Speaker 4: School he is.
[1:03:21] Speaker 2: But also how lovely that you can live what you
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: want to do through your children.
[1:03:24] Speaker 3: I know, I don't need to do this.
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: No, you had, and I just love I suggested it
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: to all three of them, and she was.
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: Like, I really want to learn piano. I'm like, you
[1:03:31] Speaker 3: say what now?
[1:03:32] Speaker 4: Yes, okay, that's going to be gymnastics for my kids.
[1:03:35] Speaker 4: I'm like, all of you get in there.
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: Now, yeah, yeah, yeah, to be flexible exactly.
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: The top three places that you like to shop with
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: brands that you like right now?
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: Oh okay, so I really like Boogie Boogie Boogie brand.
[1:03:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.
[1:03:50] Speaker 3: I love me and you.
[1:03:51] Speaker 4: I've noticed that about you, and I also love it.
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: It's just cool, isn't it.
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: It's really I mean, it's such a like I'm going
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: to treat myself moment, but mew me, I love, I love.
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: I mean, there are actually lots of brands that I love.
[1:04:05] Speaker 1: I like Sarah you do. I find like they do
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: that easy cute pieces. Yeah, just those little moments. I
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: Who else do I like? I like a lot of
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: like sort of instagrammy brands. I like Source U known.
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: Oh yes, I really like them. I like Franky Sharp
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: is amazing.
[1:04:23] Speaker 3: Gosh, it's so good.
[1:04:25] Speaker 4: Good ones.
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: There are actually lots that I like.
[1:04:26] Speaker 4: Yah, probably don't really brands, No, I like those ones.
[1:04:29] Speaker 4: They're perfect. What reality show would you go on if
[1:04:32] Speaker 4: you were to go on any not.
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: Love I Atually it was like at the time when
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: she was going on, I was like so scared.
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: I was just I was like, she she asked my advice.
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think you should do it,
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: which is like and I wasn't not in a way
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: of like obviously she did it, shoudn't listen anyway, But
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: at the time I was just like, oh, this. I
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: just was worried for her to have an experience that
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: you know, you've heard some had some horrible stories about
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: people and afterwards and the treatment that they receive, And
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: I was just you could say one thing and it
[1:05:06] Speaker 1: might land, and she has no idea until she comes
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: out and can't sort of, you know, put anything right
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: if she had. So I just was really kind of
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: apprehensive for her because I didn't want to have a
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: bad experience.
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: She had the best time.
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: I was going to say, Luckily, she really held her
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: own and she presented herself.
[1:05:25] Speaker 4: Yeah, she was effortlessly.
[1:05:29] Speaker 3: She's a great girl, and it wasn't her. I was
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: worried with the puts.
[1:05:32] Speaker 4: I've heard about it.
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: They're like, you know, I work on ITV. I understand,
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: like we I get it. I know that there's a
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: reality show to be made, and I was just kind
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: of worried that she wouldn't get the experience that I
[1:05:42] Speaker 1: wanted her to have this summer of fun.
[1:05:43] Speaker 3: And I'm so pleased that she did. She had the
[1:05:46] Speaker 3: best time, and she's still with her boyfriend.
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: I know.
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: They're Yeah, they're so nice TV.
[1:05:54] Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, wait, so if you were if you were
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: to go on one, what would it go?
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: When it got my husband did the jungle, so we
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: didn't to get out of here.
[1:06:03] Speaker 3: I went into surprise him.
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: I think that's the one that I would say that
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: I would have gone on, but then I went there
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: to surprise him and it's terrifying. Really, there's no way
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: I could. I don't know about this. I just I
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: couldn't do strictly because I tried a Christmas special and
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: I wasn't going. You that's so fun, it was so
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: nor wracking. It so okay, well you become a watcher. Yeah,
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: that's so obsessive love And at the minute I.
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: Haven't started it because I'm just going to get obsessed
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: and then this is so good.
[1:06:33] Speaker 4: So wait U s A or uk UK right, all.
[1:06:36] Speaker 3: Right, it's so good. Yeah.
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: I think I'm such a fan of reality that I
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: would just be too scared.
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: Yeah I'll watch it rather than yeah watat.
[1:06:45] Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
[1:06:46] Speaker 3: I love this. Thank you.
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: It's been so lovely thing with you and actually getting
[1:06:50] Speaker 2: to chat and this.
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: Is why I love doing a podcast. By the way,
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: I'm like, I get to know so many fun people.
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: It's been wonderful, and thank you so much for your
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: energy and all the do able things that you do online.
[1:07:01] Speaker 2: I love watching you, and I feel like I've just
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: got to know you through that, and in person you
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: are literally the same human.
[1:07:06] Speaker 4: So I'm right back at you, right back at you,
[1:07:08] Speaker 4: saying you

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