# 253. The truth about immigration - who is coming and who is leaving?

An episode of [The Rest Is Money](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1703785141), 19 Feb 2026, 53 min.

Audio: https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT3308277647.mp3?updated=1771508422

What impact does migration have on the UK economy? Are we heading for net-zero migration and does it matter? Is the so called ‘brain drain’ a real thing? And why do politicians love talking about immigration so much? Madeline Sumption MBE - Director of Oxford University’s Migration Observatory - talks to Steph about the complex reality behind the numbers. And as they delve into the stats they also look at the politicisation of immigration and discuss what immigration policy is really for. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: therestismoney@goalhanger.com X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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