# 235. How M&S saw off the cyber criminals and its plan for the next 100 Years (Part 1)

An episode of [The Rest Is Money](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1703785141), 18 Dec 2025, 47 min.

Audio: https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT3381197007.mp3?updated=1765995769

Is there any worse trauma for a business than a cyber attack? What should you do if it happens? Plus how do M&S decide when to close a store and, if it does, is that the final nail in the coffin for that town centre? Steph and Robert talk with M&S chairman Archie Norman, about not just any cyber attack, but an M&S cyber attack. Plus what the barometer of British retail is planning to do next. Email: therestismoney@goalhanger.com X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney https://goalhanger.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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