# 242. Ignore the doomsayers - the UK is innovating

An episode of [The Rest Is Money](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1703785141), 12 Jan 2026, 48 min.

Audio: https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5327544848.mp3?updated=1768579206

Why is Britain’s innovation economy is the strongest in Europe? What can the government do to strengthen it further? And can the UK outperform even America and China? Steph and Robert sit down with 'professional optimist' Saul Klein, Co-Founder & Executive Chair of Phoenix Court and venture capital investor, who explains why the foundations of new UK enterprise are stronger than at any time since the late 19th century Email: therestismoney@goalhanger.com X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney https://goalhanger.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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