# This Week in music history for the week of 10-20-Weekly Music History

An episode of [Music Saved Me Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1703080557), 20 Oct 2025, 32 min.

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Join podcast host Buzz Knight and Harry Jacobs for a look at this week in music history. We talk heavily about the new 20th Century Studios Bruce Springsteen film "Deliver Me from Nowhere" and we thank them for their support. In addition hear storytelling insights about Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Who, Led Zeppelin and other. This podcast is part of the IHeart Podcast Network and we thank you for the support. Support the show: https://musicsavedme.net/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Buzz Night and this is the Taking a Walk podcast,
[0:06] Speaker 1: and this is what we call this Week in Music
[0:09] Speaker 1: History for the week of October the twentieth, and for
[0:13] Speaker 1: that we go to the maestro of music history, the
[0:17] Speaker 1: maven of music history, Harry Jacobs.
[0:21] Speaker 2: Hello, Harry us. Pleasure to be here again, my friend,
[0:24] Speaker 2: Pleasure to be here.
[0:25] Speaker 3: And I'm not Noster Damas or who is the character
[0:28] Speaker 3: on Johnny Carson that Johnny Carson did, Karnak Karnak. Yeah,
[0:33] Speaker 3: if I were doing Karnak right now, I would say
[0:35] Speaker 3: this episode is gonna be a little on the long side.
[0:39] Speaker 4: We got a lot to get.
[0:40] Speaker 3: To, not a lot of topics, but a couple of
[0:44] Speaker 3: major ones, and we've got a this is gonna be
[0:46] Speaker 3: an in depth, in depth episode this week.
[0:50] Speaker 1: I'll try to decrease my flapping just a little bit, okay,
[0:55] Speaker 1: but it's hard, as you know for me, because I'm
[0:57] Speaker 1: a born flapper. I do want to high I like
[1:00] Speaker 1: that one of the topics that's going to come up
[1:02] Speaker 1: on this is about Bruce Springsteen's movie Deliver Me from Nowhere,
[1:08] Speaker 1: And for that I want to thank to find folks
[1:11] Speaker 1: at Walt Disney Motion Pictures who bought some advertising on
[1:17] Speaker 1: the Taken a Walk podcast, so thank them, and we're
[1:21] Speaker 1: happy to talk about the movie, which is very timely
[1:25] Speaker 1: for the week that this will run.
[1:28] Speaker 3: Did you ever think when you started this one, this
[1:30] Speaker 3: was the little podcast that could episode one, episode two,
[1:35] Speaker 3: that you'd be uttering the words.
[1:36] Speaker 4: I'd like to thank the.
[1:37] Speaker 2: Folks at Walt Disney for their sponsorship.
[1:40] Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of funny. Yeah, it's kind of funny.
[1:43] Speaker 1: You've been there from the beginning. You've heard all of
[1:46] Speaker 1: my neurosis. Anyway, I'm going to decrease clapping and turn
[1:49] Speaker 1: the rows.
[1:49] Speaker 4: Okay, you we got a lot to get to anyway.
[1:51] Speaker 3: This week is the twentieth I'm actually gonna roll back
[1:55] Speaker 3: a couple of days. I'm going to start on October
[1:57] Speaker 3: seventeenth for the following reasons. October Mber seventeenth is the
[2:01] Speaker 3: date that Street Survivors was released October seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven,
[2:07] Speaker 3: Lyonard Skinnered. And the thing about that album is it
[2:10] Speaker 3: had the flames on it right. The band members were
[2:12] Speaker 3: standing on the street. A great album by the way
[2:16] Speaker 3: that smell and you got that right, and just a
[2:20] Speaker 3: bunch of you know, a bunch of great songs. But
[2:23] Speaker 3: three days later, on October twentieth, nineteen seventy seven, it
[2:27] Speaker 3: was the day of the plane crash, the day that
[2:30] Speaker 3: Southern rock died in a way, right, I mean this
[2:35] Speaker 3: is a band that I mean, the Almonds did what
[2:38] Speaker 3: they did, but Skinnered, for all intents and purposes, really
[2:43] Speaker 3: opened up some doors that were different for Southern rock,
[2:48] Speaker 3: I think.
[2:48] Speaker 2: And this was a horrible day, Yeah, Southern rock, it
[2:51] Speaker 2: really was. It was a very very dark day.
[2:54] Speaker 1: And that album cover does strike you, for sure, for
[2:58] Speaker 1: the for all the seas.
[3:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember seeing it. You know, we see pictures
[3:03] Speaker 3: of it now, but I remember seeing it in person
[3:05] Speaker 3: and hearing what happened, and oh my gosh, it's just
[3:08] Speaker 3: it's insane. Anyway, three members of the band, including Ronnie
[3:12] Speaker 3: Vans and passed away in that horrific crash on October
[3:16] Speaker 3: twentieth in nineteen seventy seven. Also on October twentieth in
[3:21] Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. And this is where we're going to
[3:23] Speaker 3: spend some time. This is what I was talking about
[3:24] Speaker 3: at the beginning, where where the car neck thing. I
[3:27] Speaker 3: predict a little bit of time and we're going to
[3:29] Speaker 3: dedicate some time to Led Zeppelin. The song remains the
[3:33] Speaker 3: same premiered on this day in nineteen seventy six. And
[3:37] Speaker 3: this was an interesting film. I'm not sure the last
[3:41] Speaker 3: time you watched this movie while, but.
[3:43] Speaker 4: I went back. I went back and watched it like
[3:46] Speaker 4: in the last week.
[3:48] Speaker 3: And I remember seeing it at the Paris Cinema in
[3:52] Speaker 3: downtown Worcester.
[3:55] Speaker 2: You know, when I was ten years old.
[3:57] Speaker 3: Brought my sister who was four years like a little kid,
[4:01] Speaker 3: like you know, six or something, and she was horrified
[4:04] Speaker 3: and we were horrify. It was a frightening movie. It
[4:07] Speaker 3: wasn't just a concert movie. But there was all this
[4:10] Speaker 3: stuff that happened around that movie that was around mythological stuff,
[4:17] Speaker 3: around fantasies, around their alter egos.
[4:21] Speaker 4: Had you had you thought about that in some time?
[4:24] Speaker 3: I mean, the concert film is the concert film, but
[4:27] Speaker 3: think about everything else that happened around that These all
[4:31] Speaker 3: four of these matter of fact, i'll say all five
[4:33] Speaker 3: of these guys, because Peter Grant was involved with this.
[4:35] Speaker 3: But when you watch the movie, there's all this concert
[4:38] Speaker 3: footage obviously that happens. But this movie was this thing
[4:45] Speaker 3: that took Robert Plant and painted him as this kind
[4:49] Speaker 3: of poet and hero, I'm sure by his own doing.
[4:52] Speaker 3: Jimmy Page as this mystic, John Bonham as a warrior,
[4:57] Speaker 3: John Paul Jones is like the thinker. They all had
[5:00] Speaker 3: these little movies and little scenes that happened within that movie.
[5:04] Speaker 3: You remember that those pieces of it.
[5:06] Speaker 1: I have not thought of the movie in a long
[5:09] Speaker 1: time and have not so I haven't watched it. But
[5:14] Speaker 1: that's fascinating how you break it out, because it was
[5:19] Speaker 1: more than just a concert film.
[5:22] Speaker 3: I'm a Zeppelin fan from the time I was ten
[5:25] Speaker 3: years old. I was always always deep into the classic
[5:28] Speaker 3: rock when I was a kid, and seeing that movie
[5:33] Speaker 3: changed me in a way because it was scary as
[5:37] Speaker 3: a ten year old kid.
[5:38] Speaker 4: Right. There was stuff. There was heavy duty stuff.
[5:41] Speaker 3: John Bonham played a mobster, drag racing you know, fast cars.
[5:46] Speaker 2: He was playing snooker. He looked like a trouble maker.
[5:49] Speaker 3: Peter Grant played the mafia guy with the you know,
[5:52] Speaker 3: with a Tommy gun and the hat.
[5:53] Speaker 4: And it was just like, what is this. This is
[5:57] Speaker 4: not stereoid to heaven, This is not rock and roll
[6:00] Speaker 4: or black Dog.
[6:01] Speaker 3: This is something different, right, Yeah, I'm telling you go
[6:06] Speaker 3: go back and and watch it again.
[6:11] Speaker 4: It's it's so well worth the watch.
[6:14] Speaker 3: The music is just magnificent, but there's so much that
[6:17] Speaker 3: happens around it. There was so much going on with
[6:21] Speaker 3: the band at that time. You remember they did a
[6:23] Speaker 3: series of shows in New York City. The band got robbed.
[6:27] Speaker 3: They were at the Drake Hotel and they lost two
[6:30] Speaker 3: hundred and three thousand dollars taken out of the hotel
[6:34] Speaker 3: safe at the Drake.
[6:35] Speaker 4: Do you remember that part of it?
[6:37] Speaker 1: I forgot about that, but as you're telling me now,
[6:39] Speaker 1: I remember, yeah.
[6:40] Speaker 4: Yeah, So by the way, that too, I went into
[6:43] Speaker 4: the to the inflation calculator.
[6:46] Speaker 3: It's worth one. That'd be one point four million dollars today.
[6:51] Speaker 5: It was a It was a whirlwind that they were
[6:55] Speaker 5: rolling on the The thematic stuff was just so vastly
[7:00] Speaker 5: different than what you would expect in a concert film.
[7:02] Speaker 3: It was like they took the opportunity to give each
[7:06] Speaker 3: other an assignment. Say, think about your fantasy life. What
[7:09] Speaker 3: would you be? Who would you be?
[7:12] Speaker 2: You know?
[7:12] Speaker 3: John Paul Jones was interesting because you know, he was
[7:15] Speaker 3: an intellect.
[7:15] Speaker 4: He was an intellectual.
[7:16] Speaker 3: He is an intellectual, right, very well read, very smart,
[7:21] Speaker 3: and he portrayed himself in that way. They all got
[7:24] Speaker 3: to design their own. I mean, I don't know the
[7:26] Speaker 3: inner workings of it, but as I'm thinking about it's
[7:28] Speaker 3: their movie, they designed it. This John Paul Jones, I,
[7:32] Speaker 3: you know, I went and read a little something about this,
[7:34] Speaker 3: like this dual identity and moral redemption.
[7:37] Speaker 4: It was really deep. He was he played the mask
[7:42] Speaker 4: Night right crazy go I'm telling you go back and
[7:48] Speaker 4: watch it. The thing about him being the mask Knight
[7:51] Speaker 4: is that he again, he's this calm, intellectual, you know,
[7:54] Speaker 4: just a low key smart dude. And you know, Jimmy
[7:59] Speaker 4: Page his piece of this.
[8:02] Speaker 3: He climbs, he climbs a mountain and I want to
[8:06] Speaker 3: get this right, encounters a rob the hermit holding a
[8:11] Speaker 3: lantern of course, that's from you know, the lantern from
[8:14] Speaker 3: led Zeppelin four yes, and referencing this tarot card called
[8:18] Speaker 3: the Hermit.
[8:19] Speaker 4: Anyway. It's really like Page has always had this interest
[8:22] Speaker 4: in the occult. Anyway. There are all these things that
[8:25] Speaker 4: are just weird.
[8:27] Speaker 3: And Robert Plant like portraying himself as a hero and
[8:32] Speaker 3: you know, his search for enlightenment. You remember his son
[8:36] Speaker 3: was in that movie too, when his son was just
[8:39] Speaker 3: you know, a toddler. It's just a very interesting movie.
[8:45] Speaker 3: Beyond the music, you know, seeing it as as an
[8:47] Speaker 3: almost sixty year old guy fifty years later. I mean,
[8:52] Speaker 3: I may have seen some clips over the years, but
[8:54] Speaker 3: I never went back and watched it. I'm telling you
[8:57] Speaker 3: and anyone that's a led Zeppelin Fan's not just a
[9:00] Speaker 3: concert film, go and watch it. Make some comments on
[9:05] Speaker 3: our Instagram account right to us. Tell us what you think,
[9:08] Speaker 3: what your perception of it is. I really and I
[9:11] Speaker 3: apologize for this, but I have gone into the rabbit
[9:14] Speaker 3: hole of the song remains the same.
[9:17] Speaker 1: There's no need to apologize on this podcast for a
[9:20] Speaker 1: rabbit hole.
[9:22] Speaker 4: We both do it.
[9:24] Speaker 3: There was something that happened, we both obviously, we both
[9:26] Speaker 3: have this background. For those of you that may be new,
[9:30] Speaker 3: Buzz and I both worked in radio.
[9:32] Speaker 2: Buzz is.
[9:34] Speaker 3: A famous program director and programmer of radio stations all
[9:39] Speaker 3: over this great land of ours, and went on to
[9:41] Speaker 3: be a consultant and then realized it was time to
[9:44] Speaker 3: go do something else. You became talent after managing these people.
[9:48] Speaker 3: You started as talent. You spent your career managing radio
[9:52] Speaker 3: stations and people. And then I remember you calling me
[9:55] Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty saying, hey, I'm
[9:58] Speaker 3: thinking about doing a podcast, taking a walk podcast, and.
[10:01] Speaker 4: I'm thinking you want to be talent. Hold on a second,
[10:06] Speaker 4: a lot of seconds. Where are you? I'm flying, I'm
[10:09] Speaker 4: booking a flight. Where are you? We need to talk.
[10:11] Speaker 1: You did not burst out laughing, and you did not
[10:15] Speaker 1: like somebody tried to talk me out.
[10:19] Speaker 2: You know that somebody? Yeah, I know, I know him
[10:21] Speaker 2: very well. Know the an artist who used to play
[10:27] Speaker 2: with a band.
[10:28] Speaker 4: Oh oh, oh, geez okay, yeah, Pete Wolf, Yeah, Pete.
[10:32] Speaker 2: Wolf said, well, wait a minute, why are you going
[10:34] Speaker 2: to do this?
[10:36] Speaker 1: We talked about it aside from our podcast recording. So yes,
[10:41] Speaker 1: you didn't talk me out of it. He tried to
[10:43] Speaker 1: talk me out of it. And here we are today.
[10:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I you know, it's been a full
[10:48] Speaker 3: circle on this. But when when we were in radio,
[10:53] Speaker 3: obviously we played a lot of Led Zeppelin. One of
[10:55] Speaker 3: the things that would happen, do you remember your your
[10:57] Speaker 3: jock's ever doing this? They would mix the studio version
[11:01] Speaker 3: of Stairway to Heaven and the live version of studio
[11:04] Speaker 3: of Stairway to.
[11:04] Speaker 4: Heaven, and they would split the song up.
[11:07] Speaker 3: When Robert Plant says and the hallways echo with laughter,
[11:11] Speaker 3: and then in the live version, after he sings that,
[11:14] Speaker 3: he says to the crowd, does anybody remember laughter? And
[11:18] Speaker 3: then you know, Jimmy Page's electric guitar kicks in and
[11:21] Speaker 3: we would all you know, we would do it from
[11:23] Speaker 3: time to time. I think I did it, you know
[11:25] Speaker 3: at ZLX when I.
[11:26] Speaker 1: Was working for you. Oh man, I wish I had
[11:31] Speaker 1: a recording of that. You just reminded me of something
[11:34] Speaker 1: else we used to do with led Zeppelin. We do
[11:37] Speaker 1: you remember the concept of phasing?
[11:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna say, I know what you're doing.
[11:43] Speaker 3: Explain this to the audience. I'll try my best.
[11:46] Speaker 1: So phasing was basically having two album copies of the
[11:53] Speaker 1: same album and starting them at the exact same time,
[11:59] Speaker 1: and at at a certain point on led Zeppelin one,
[12:04] Speaker 1: when we would play the first song, which was Your
[12:07] Speaker 1: Time is Going to Come, we would then at a
[12:11] Speaker 1: certain point in that song, we'd have one one turntable
[12:16] Speaker 1: live and the second one was was was properly aligned.
[12:23] Speaker 1: So at a certain point we bring up turntable two
[12:27] Speaker 1: and they're both playing identically at the same time, in
[12:31] Speaker 1: complete sync, and then you're hearing this phase audio sound.
[12:38] Speaker 2: Is that a terrible description?
[12:40] Speaker 4: No, it's not.
[12:41] Speaker 3: And we have those of us that you know play music.
[12:46] Speaker 3: We have what's called a phaser. It's one of the
[12:48] Speaker 3: pedals for a guitar. This is the same concept. And
[12:52] Speaker 3: essentially your description is is almost accurate to our mind.
[12:58] Speaker 3: It's accurate where you play this song and you sync
[13:00] Speaker 3: it up. The basically what happens is there's this like
[13:05] Speaker 3: harmonic rhythmic thing that happens with the texture of those
[13:09] Speaker 3: songs there they're actually never really aligned perfectly there when
[13:13] Speaker 3: they get to that phasing, they're just slightly out of alignment,
[13:17] Speaker 3: and it gives you this.
[13:20] Speaker 4: Sound that it's like a.
[13:23] Speaker 2: Very cosmic sounding.
[13:25] Speaker 3: Very cosmic and and it was pioneered in the sixties.
[13:29] Speaker 3: We would do it as jockson was kind of a
[13:31] Speaker 3: cool thing. Yeah, so yeah, that but the Stairwaid having
[13:35] Speaker 3: the live version studio version.
[13:37] Speaker 2: I like your idea better than my face.
[13:39] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[13:39] Speaker 3: So at any rate, there's the there's the Led Zeppelin thing.
[13:43] Speaker 3: You know, just a lot going on with that movie,
[13:48] Speaker 3: and you know, go back and watch it if you're
[13:50] Speaker 3: a Zepplin And that's all that's all I'll say about that.
[13:53] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[13:53] Speaker 3: Roger Ebert, was he the heavy one or the skinny one?
[13:59] Speaker 3: Is that a fallu in a fat chub? Are you
[14:01] Speaker 3: fat streaming me right now?
[14:05] Speaker 4: No?
[14:05] Speaker 3: October twenty first, nineteen seventy six, Keith Moon final US
[14:10] Speaker 3: show with the Who. They played at the Maple Leaf
[14:13] Speaker 3: Garden Arena in Toronto and that was that was the
[14:17] Speaker 3: end of it. Keith met his demise after that. Oh
[14:21] Speaker 3: may crazy ass drummer? Good?
[14:23] Speaker 2: What a crazy what a player? Yeah?
[14:26] Speaker 4: Played played to.
[14:29] Speaker 3: Roger Daltrey's vocal tracks, didn't play around them, played to them.
[14:36] Speaker 3: Very unique to I've talked about this before. I've touched
[14:38] Speaker 3: on it. The fact that when you go and you
[14:40] Speaker 3: listen to there's a biography that ran on Netflix for
[14:44] Speaker 3: a while on Who's Next, and you can hear you
[14:47] Speaker 3: see Roger Daltrey sitting at a desk and then you
[14:50] Speaker 3: see him isolate his vocal track and Keith's drumming, and
[14:54] Speaker 3: it's totally different from the way anyone else plays drums
[14:58] Speaker 3: as a way to enhance and around the vocals. Keith
[15:01] Speaker 3: played with Roger as he sang, just hit those skins hard.
[15:06] Speaker 4: So a huge loss for the music and drumming world
[15:09] Speaker 4: with that.
[15:10] Speaker 3: Absolutely October twenty sixth nineteen sixty nine, led Zeppelin actually
[15:14] Speaker 3: released led Zeppelin two just you know, a great follow
[15:18] Speaker 3: up to led Zeppelin One. I mean think about Heartbreaker,
[15:21] Speaker 3: Living Love and made Ramble On, you know Lemons. I
[15:26] Speaker 3: mean there's a million songs, I mean the whole That
[15:27] Speaker 3: was one of those.
[15:28] Speaker 2: Every song.
[15:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, beginning to end.
[15:31] Speaker 3: October twenty third, nineteen sixty six, Jimmy Hendrix recorded Hey
[15:35] Speaker 3: Joe in London.
[15:37] Speaker 4: That was his debut.
[15:41] Speaker 3: Great song, incredible instrumental, classic rock song. Let me see
[15:45] Speaker 3: what else we got here. Let's get to October twenty fourth,
[15:48] Speaker 3: Let's get to the day that deliver Me from Nowhere
[15:55] Speaker 3: comes out.
[15:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, and and.
[15:57] Speaker 1: Thank you to the nice folks at Walt Disney Motion Pictures.
[16:00] Speaker 1: By the way, too, Springsteen delivered Me from Nowhere. My god,
[16:04] Speaker 1: we're talking about it.
[16:06] Speaker 2: It's amazing.
[16:07] Speaker 3: I would I would even take a screener, by the way,
[16:09] Speaker 3: just like we did with the other Bruce documentary, even
[16:11] Speaker 3: for a few days in advance, just.
[16:12] Speaker 4: To I was hoping to get at home.
[16:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, I was hoping.
[16:17] Speaker 3: You can't go anywhere right now without seeing Bruce Springsteen somewhere.
[16:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, heavy push, so different.
[16:24] Speaker 4: He's done more press for this and I think anything else?
[16:27] Speaker 2: Right? And and Scott Cooper, the director.
[16:34] Speaker 1: Had you seen the Academy Award winning Crazy Heart?
[16:39] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh that's his movie. Yes, I didn't realize that.
[16:44] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what a magnificent piece of work that is.
[16:47] Speaker 4: Jeff Bridges, Yes, absolutely, this This.
[16:54] Speaker 3: Is an unbelievable undertaking. You know, there are plenty of
[16:57] Speaker 3: people that that could probably easily be copied, but Bruce
[17:01] Speaker 3: is on Enigma and this album not anywhere near his
[17:08] Speaker 3: best selling right. Think about this. This came out just
[17:14] Speaker 3: before the biggest push of his career with Born in
[17:18] Speaker 3: the USA. As a matter of fact, these tracks Born
[17:20] Speaker 3: in the USA was done for Nebraska originally. This is
[17:25] Speaker 3: one of those things that when you think about the
[17:31] Speaker 3: way he recorded it on that task Am and that
[17:33] Speaker 3: home in New Jersey, I think we just saw someone,
[17:36] Speaker 3: you know, CBS News or someone go into that house
[17:38] Speaker 3: with him. He brought his guitar, he played in that
[17:40] Speaker 3: bedroom where he recorded it. Did you see that? I
[17:43] Speaker 3: did not see that. No, he went in and he played.
[17:46] Speaker 3: I think he might have even played in Nebraska while
[17:48] Speaker 3: he was in there. But they brought him into that
[17:50] Speaker 3: home and he sat there with Askam tape deck a
[17:54] Speaker 3: little four track and one engineer to help him. Eventually
[18:01] Speaker 3: there was one guy I believe that came in and
[18:03] Speaker 3: helped him a little bit with some of the four
[18:06] Speaker 3: track stuff. But it's a crazy thing to think about
[18:11] Speaker 3: the fact that he carried the cassette around in his
[18:13] Speaker 3: back pocket, he carried the recording around.
[18:16] Speaker 2: Are you surprised about the amount of press he's doing.
[18:20] Speaker 3: I'm completely surprised. I'm completely blown away. There has not
[18:24] Speaker 3: been this much exposure. Unless I'm wrong, there's not been
[18:29] Speaker 3: this much Bruce Springsteen exposure since that period of eighty
[18:32] Speaker 3: four to eighty six when he was setting the world
[18:35] Speaker 3: on fire with Born in the USA. We haven't seen
[18:37] Speaker 3: this much Bruce. Now he's making himself more available. But
[18:40] Speaker 3: in terms of publicity overall for Bruce, it's the biggest
[18:45] Speaker 3: in his career in my opinion, even bigger than Time
[18:48] Speaker 3: and Newsweek in the same week.
[18:51] Speaker 1: Remember too, he was also he put himself out quite
[18:56] Speaker 1: a bit for the year ago, you know, a concert
[19:00] Speaker 1: film as well.
[19:01] Speaker 2: He was out doing interviews for that too.
[19:04] Speaker 4: It was nothing like this.
[19:06] Speaker 3: This is a media onslaught right now, and he historically
[19:11] Speaker 3: was just not one that wanted to talk to people right,
[19:14] Speaker 3: especially the press right. I saw a clip last week
[19:19] Speaker 3: of him from like, you know, nineteen eighty from the River,
[19:22] Speaker 3: and he was just mumbling his way through the It
[19:26] Speaker 3: was kind of funny to see it, you know, obviously
[19:29] Speaker 3: to time, maturity, all that stuff. But he you know,
[19:31] Speaker 3: didn't want to be interviewed, didn't like to do that.
[19:34] Speaker 3: And now he seems to enjoy it. You know, he
[19:36] Speaker 3: sat down with Ed Bradley at sixty Minutes years ago.
[19:39] Speaker 3: It did the thing with Obama. I mean, he talks
[19:42] Speaker 3: to everyone, and he is a deep thinker and you know,
[19:48] Speaker 3: really just a captivating character in so many ways. And
[19:52] Speaker 3: I feel like this may be cliche, but I feel like,
[19:56] Speaker 3: especially with Born to Run, it has been like the
[19:59] Speaker 3: sound track of my life. His music has been the
[20:01] Speaker 3: soundtrack of my life. I walked into Rich Kreswick's office
[20:07] Speaker 3: at the Boston Garden when he was the general manager
[20:10] Speaker 3: before I got married in two thousand and three, and
[20:15] Speaker 3: there was a sign Born to Run album in his office,
[20:19] Speaker 3: full album signed, and Rich said, if you like that,
[20:24] Speaker 3: He said, that was my album when I when I
[20:26] Speaker 3: was younger, I had him sign it. He signed it
[20:28] Speaker 3: in front of me, and I said, someday, you know,
[20:31] Speaker 3: I want one of those.
[20:32] Speaker 2: And I got.
[20:33] Speaker 4: Married, and about two weeks after I got married, giant
[20:36] Speaker 4: box shows up in my house from the Fleet Center
[20:39] Speaker 4: and I said to my wife, Oh, that's a gift
[20:42] Speaker 4: from rich Creswick. And she said, oh, let's open it.
[20:44] Speaker 4: What do you think it is? Said, oh?
[20:46] Speaker 3: And I opened it and it's the sign Born to
[20:48] Speaker 3: Run album that was hanging in his.
[20:50] Speaker 2: Office at the Fleet Center. Oh wow.
[20:53] Speaker 3: And my wife was like, what's that about. I'm like,
[20:57] Speaker 3: that's the greatest gift anyone's ever given me. What that's about?
[21:00] Speaker 3: And that hangs in my house right now. It will
[21:03] Speaker 3: always hang in my house.
[21:05] Speaker 4: But you know, his music, for both of us and
[21:07] Speaker 4: for so many people, has been the fabric of their lives.
[21:12] Speaker 2: You know.
[21:12] Speaker 3: You think about the experience of not only listening to
[21:15] Speaker 3: the music, but seeing him as many times as we've
[21:18] Speaker 3: seen him, and what these songs mean, especially Nebraska. It's
[21:23] Speaker 3: so stark, but it's so I've been listening to it relentlessly,
[21:28] Speaker 3: you know, in the car every time I'm out.
[21:30] Speaker 2: I've been you know, if I go and.
[21:32] Speaker 3: Sit and smoke, I'll throw the earphones on and have
[21:35] Speaker 3: a cigar and listen to it. I can listen to
[21:37] Speaker 3: that album through and through. It's always been one of
[21:39] Speaker 3: my favorites. And that track list, you know, Nebraska, Atlantic City,
[21:45] Speaker 3: Mansion on the Hill, Johnny Highway patrolman, State trooper used
[21:49] Speaker 3: cars open on my my father's house. I think I'm
[21:54] Speaker 3: I think I'm missing all Reason to Believe?
[21:56] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, remember he was doing that that version.
[22:01] Speaker 3: Second song on Born in the USA, right after Born
[22:04] Speaker 3: in the USA was a rockin version of Reason to Believe.
[22:08] Speaker 3: It's an amazing album. He's such an amazing storyteller for
[22:13] Speaker 3: a guy that didn't get his license until he was
[22:15] Speaker 3: like twenty years old and never owned cars, and you know,
[22:18] Speaker 3: he he had never had a d as he says,
[22:21] Speaker 3: never worked an honest day in his life until the
[22:23] Speaker 3: Broadway show.
[22:25] Speaker 4: He writes about cars and working and people.
[22:28] Speaker 3: And we'll get to see, you know, a version of
[22:32] Speaker 3: his dad with Stephen Graham in the movie. And he
[22:37] Speaker 3: said to Stephen Graham, he said, I got to see
[22:40] Speaker 3: my father again with you portraying him.
[22:43] Speaker 2: Wow.
[22:43] Speaker 3: If you ever got Bruce on this podcast, I would
[22:49] Speaker 3: be willing to bet everything that your first question, who
[22:54] Speaker 3: would you take a walk with? I'd be willing to
[22:56] Speaker 3: bet he'd want to take a walk now his dad
[22:59] Speaker 3: any five years old?
[23:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'd be dying to know.
[23:04] Speaker 4: I mean, even if we could just ask him one question,
[23:05] Speaker 4: who would you take a walk with? I know, right,
[23:08] Speaker 4: just one question, that's all I want, right at, John
[23:10] Speaker 4: Landaut Just one question, John.
[23:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll give it a try.
[23:16] Speaker 3: So the album is a magnificent piece of work. I'm
[23:21] Speaker 3: nervous about one thing, and that is they're releasing the
[23:25] Speaker 3: full band version of it. You're aware that, No, there
[23:29] Speaker 3: was a full band recording of Nebraska that was done.
[23:34] Speaker 4: After he got done.
[23:34] Speaker 3: With it, he took it into the studio, got everybody together,
[23:39] Speaker 3: and at the end they decided, he decided, quite frankly,
[23:42] Speaker 3: they didn't do anything. He decides what he wants to do,
[23:45] Speaker 3: and he said, I'm not releasing the album.
[23:48] Speaker 2: I'm releasing my solo album.
[23:49] Speaker 3: So for for years, for forty years, there's been this
[23:55] Speaker 3: version of Nebraska with the East Street Band that's never
[23:59] Speaker 3: been put up out and I'm nervous about I'm nervous
[24:01] Speaker 3: about hearing that because I haven't loved a lot of
[24:05] Speaker 3: the material we're hearing now A lot of it, I do,
[24:08] Speaker 3: but there are some things where I scratch my head.
[24:11] Speaker 3: And you know, he goes through different like everyone, he
[24:13] Speaker 3: goes through different periods and things in his life. I'm
[24:16] Speaker 3: just I'm a fan of the Tenth Avenue, Freeze Out
[24:19] Speaker 3: in jungle Land and Born to Run, and you know
[24:22] Speaker 3: what I mean, the stuff that you know, Rosalita and
[24:24] Speaker 3: the stuff we all, as Bruce Nutts love. But I'm
[24:27] Speaker 3: a little nervous to hear the band version of it.
[24:31] Speaker 3: I want to, but I don't know.
[24:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand.
[24:34] Speaker 1: I understand why you feel that way, But those I'm curious,
[24:38] Speaker 1: but I understand why you're saying it.
[24:40] Speaker 3: Those songs though every one of them that I just listed,
[24:45] Speaker 3: I have seen him play almost all of them, maybe
[24:50] Speaker 3: not used car maybe you know what used cars. I
[24:52] Speaker 3: think I saw him play it in Boston at the Orpheum,
[24:56] Speaker 3: every one of them when he plays them with the
[24:58] Speaker 3: band I love.
[25:00] Speaker 2: But this is forty years later, thirty years later, So.
[25:03] Speaker 3: I'm a little I'm a little nervous for him, I
[25:07] Speaker 3: don't know, or and for me, I don't know why.
[25:09] Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I get it, I get it. There's
[25:12] Speaker 2: this connection between Sean Penn and Bruce Springsteen. You were
[25:14] Speaker 2: aware of it. No.
[25:17] Speaker 4: Sean Penn dated Pam Bruce's.
[25:19] Speaker 2: Sister, Oh, okay.
[25:22] Speaker 3: And he ended up taking after they broke up. He
[25:27] Speaker 3: ended up taking the script for The Indian Runner based
[25:31] Speaker 3: on Highway Patrolman because Sean was a big Springsteen fan
[25:35] Speaker 3: and asked Bruce about having the song for it. It
[25:41] Speaker 3: was based on, you know, on Joe and Frank. Think
[25:46] Speaker 3: about that song. My name is Joe Roberts. I worked
[25:48] Speaker 3: for the State. I'm a trooper out you know what
[25:50] Speaker 3: I mean. It's like, yeah, the whole thing. You know
[25:53] Speaker 3: my I got a brother named Frank. If Frank ain't
[25:54] Speaker 3: no good, right, that's what the movie is based on.
[25:59] Speaker 3: If you haven't seen The Indian Runner, those of you
[26:01] Speaker 3: that are Bruce fans or just want to see a
[26:03] Speaker 3: great indie kind of movie. And and Buzz, I'm not
[26:06] Speaker 3: sure if you've seen The Indian Runner, but watch that.
[26:10] Speaker 3: Oh you got to watch it, Okay, especially now with
[26:13] Speaker 3: this coming out, This will feed your I.
[26:15] Speaker 2: Got a lot of assignments coming out of this episode.
[26:18] Speaker 3: Listen, the Zeppelin movie, the Songerman is the same. You
[26:21] Speaker 3: got Highway, you got the Indian Runner. You get stuff
[26:24] Speaker 3: to do this week. Busy Week delivered me from nowhere.
[26:28] Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to it. You brought up an
[26:30] Speaker 3: interesting point as we were talking before the episode. You
[26:35] Speaker 3: want to touch on on that, regarding what it must
[26:40] Speaker 3: have been like on that.
[26:42] Speaker 1: Set, the fact that he was so Bruce was so
[26:47] Speaker 1: intensely involved that he was on set a ton. I
[26:51] Speaker 1: couldn't imagine what Jeremy white, what he must have fell,
[26:57] Speaker 1: how it felt the pressure of doing his craft, but
[27:03] Speaker 1: having to do it with Bruce.
[27:06] Speaker 2: On set so frequently that blows me away.
[27:08] Speaker 3: It would be one thing to do the acting piece
[27:10] Speaker 3: of it, right, but it's a whole another piece of
[27:14] Speaker 3: it to pick up that telecaster or that you know,
[27:17] Speaker 3: whatever guitar, whatever acoustics they're playing and play that well. Well,
[27:22] Speaker 3: the guy that made this those songs legendary is sitting
[27:26] Speaker 3: ten feet in front of you in the same room.
[27:28] Speaker 3: I can't imagine what that was like. I and I
[27:31] Speaker 3: love Bruce, but I would never want to pick up
[27:34] Speaker 3: my guitar in front of him. I just wouldn't write
[27:38] Speaker 3: like you know, I just I just would one of
[27:40] Speaker 3: those guys you just you wouldn't, but I but Jeremy
[27:43] Speaker 3: just embrace it.
[27:45] Speaker 4: And I guess this is the thing about actors like Jeremy.
[27:48] Speaker 4: They just look at it and they go, it's Bruce,
[27:50] Speaker 4: and it's huge shoes to fill. But I'm gonna pick.
[27:54] Speaker 3: Up my guitar and I'm gonna I'm gonna work my
[27:58] Speaker 3: way through looking like I'm playing it. But then I'm
[28:01] Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna make myself sound as much like Bruce
[28:03] Speaker 3: as Bruce does. When I heard that, I was with
[28:06] Speaker 3: you in Connecticut when it's over the summer in July
[28:10] Speaker 3: or whenever we were there, and and and I heard it,
[28:13] Speaker 3: and you said.
[28:14] Speaker 2: That's him, Yeah, that's that's that's the act.
[28:16] Speaker 4: That's Jeremy singing. I was blown away that someone could
[28:20] Speaker 4: mimic like that.
[28:22] Speaker 1: I'm impressed with how in all this press that Jeremy
[28:28] Speaker 1: seems to really be excited.
[28:31] Speaker 2: And you know, putting.
[28:33] Speaker 1: Himself out there and obviously with this, you know body
[28:36] Speaker 1: of work that he's that he's created, so we know
[28:40] Speaker 1: the neurosis of the actor the musician, but Jeremy seems
[28:46] Speaker 1: really into this and really super grateful for the opportunity.
[28:51] Speaker 3: Bruce is notorious for torturing not only himself but those
[28:56] Speaker 3: around him. When you look back to Wings for Wheels,
[29:01] Speaker 3: which I think was the documentary on on Born Run,
[29:04] Speaker 3: and then they did another one for Darkness.
[29:08] Speaker 2: Bruce was painful.
[29:11] Speaker 3: You know, he's he just it's every note that he
[29:14] Speaker 3: can't help it, saxophone solo and saxophone solo in jungle Land,
[29:20] Speaker 3: note by note with Clarence, I mean people, you know,
[29:25] Speaker 3: he just he's on every single detail, and and he
[29:29] Speaker 3: makes it look.
[29:30] Speaker 4: This is the beauty of what he does. He gets
[29:33] Speaker 4: it down, he gets it to where it's perfect in
[29:35] Speaker 4: his mind, and then he goes out and rips through
[29:38] Speaker 4: it on stage and it's like he's just taking a walk.
[29:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
[29:45] Speaker 4: It's like he's just just doing it, you know. To me,
[29:48] Speaker 4: I can't wait. I'm going to go see the movie.
[29:52] Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna go see the movie alone, probably gonna
[29:55] Speaker 3: get some popcorn and some milk duds, and I'm probably
[29:58] Speaker 3: just gonna see it and I may buy an the
[30:00] Speaker 3: ticket and see it again. I'm just that kind of
[30:02] Speaker 3: like I I will go down the rabbit hole because
[30:05] Speaker 3: I'm that kind of Bruce Nutt.
[30:06] Speaker 2: That's awesome. I can't wait to hear your view. Now.
[30:09] Speaker 1: I did misspeak a little bit I said Walt Disney
[30:11] Speaker 1: Motion Pictures, which is correct, but really also it's twentieth
[30:15] Speaker 1: century Studios, so's to be to be clear about it.
[30:20] Speaker 2: We thank them both.
[30:22] Speaker 3: Let me rephrase my question then, from the beginning, did
[30:24] Speaker 3: you ever think in twenty twenty or twenty twenty, when
[30:27] Speaker 3: we were starting the little podcast that could take in
[30:29] Speaker 3: a Walk, that you'd be thinking twentieth century Fox and
[30:33] Speaker 3: Disney for their sponsorship.
[30:34] Speaker 2: Of course, not, of course happened.
[30:39] Speaker 4: If you build it, they will come.
[30:41] Speaker 2: Thank you for.
[30:42] Speaker 4: Happy and I'm happy to be along for the ride.
[30:44] Speaker 2: Thank you for your support and friendship on it.
[30:46] Speaker 4: So we can we can call it right now. I
[30:50] Speaker 4: got a couple of I got a couple of quick
[30:52] Speaker 4: things if you want for the for the last couple
[30:54] Speaker 4: of days, or we can just call it with that.
[30:57] Speaker 1: I think we call it with Bruce as the final piece.
[31:00] Speaker 1: Great coverage on it. It gets me further excited for it,
[31:05] Speaker 1: and I love celebrating the music with you of Bruce.
[31:11] Speaker 1: We've been part of it individually and together and will
[31:16] Speaker 1: continue to be.
[31:17] Speaker 2: So thank you for that.
[31:18] Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's the look at the week of October.
[31:22] Speaker 2: Twentieth ish, Yes, right
[31:25] Speaker 1: Around for the taking a walk podcast, and please share
[31:31] Speaker 1: this with your friends, and thank you for coming back
[31:34] Speaker 1: and listening to it.

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