# This Week in Music History for the week of 10-13-Weekly Music History

An episode of [Music Saved Me Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1703080557), 13 Oct 2025, 38 min.

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## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: I'm buzz night and welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast.
[0:07] Speaker 1: This is the podcast we love talking about music history
[0:11] Speaker 1: Delvin Deep and for that we turn over to the
[0:14] Speaker 1: music history desk.
[0:16] Speaker 2: I have a new name for him.
[0:17] Speaker 1: I'm gonna duck as I say the name, because as
[0:20] Speaker 1: I throw it out there, I'm never sure if he
[0:23] Speaker 1: likes where I'm headed with the name or not. So
[0:26] Speaker 1: we're going to turn it over to the manager of
[0:30] Speaker 1: Musical Minutia, Harry Jacobs.
[0:32] Speaker 2: What do you think of that? Oh?
[0:34] Speaker 3: I love that musical Minusia and Michigas. Probably you could
[0:38] Speaker 3: add to that as well.
[0:40] Speaker 1: We would credit Charles Locodera the great wbcn DJ for Michigas, right, remember.
[0:47] Speaker 4: That absolutely a thousand percent. I remember it.
[0:50] Speaker 3: It was a big deal for people to get to
[0:52] Speaker 3: play Michagoths with with Charles on the mattress.
[0:54] Speaker 4: That's right, BNZLX, that's right.
[0:57] Speaker 1: Those are the days, as they say, yeah, I'm not
[1:00] Speaker 1: sure what this is, they were, but they were the days.
[1:04] Speaker 3: That was back and then when people say back in
[1:06] Speaker 3: the day, that's what they're talking about.
[1:08] Speaker 4: Yes, got the mattress BCNZLX.
[1:11] Speaker 1: So yeah, So we're going to look at music history
[1:13] Speaker 1: for the week of October thirteenth through the nineteenth.
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[2:05] Speaker 3: It's one of the sources I you know, I use
[2:09] Speaker 3: to verify that's that we talk about, to verify dates
[2:12] Speaker 3: and history. So I love the concept of being able
[2:15] Speaker 3: to use Claude and the fact that they're on board
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[2:45] Speaker 3: Anyway, October thirteenth, The Big day the Beatles. We just
[2:49] Speaker 3: don't miss a week with without something Beatles and today
[2:56] Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty five they recorded a day trip and
[3:00] Speaker 3: we can work it out at Abbey Road Studios. It
[3:03] Speaker 3: was it took him twelve hours to record each of those,
[3:07] Speaker 3: you know, two and a half three minute songs.
[3:10] Speaker 1: So justin from the cheese shop and conquered one of
[3:13] Speaker 1: our loyal fans. He sent me this screenshot. Artist with
[3:17] Speaker 1: the most weeks at number one the Beatles at one
[3:21] Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two weeks, followed by number two. Who
[3:25] Speaker 1: do you think that is?
[3:28] Speaker 4: You know, I don't know.
[3:30] Speaker 3: I would say maybe Michael Jackson. I'm you know, I
[3:37] Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not a monster pop guy, but Michael
[3:41] Speaker 3: Jackson is probably what comes to mind.
[3:44] Speaker 2: It's a pretty interesting list.
[3:45] Speaker 1: It's Taylor Swift eighty six weeks at number two, followed
[3:51] Speaker 1: by Elvis Presley at sixty seven weeks, followed by Garth Brooks,
[3:57] Speaker 1: Oh gosh, fifty two weeks, yeah, followed by Michael Jackson
[4:03] Speaker 1: at fifty one, and then the next one is the
[4:05] Speaker 1: one that really throws me and I will stop there
[4:08] Speaker 1: no disrespect to them, yes, but at forty six weeks
[4:14] Speaker 1: the Kingston Trio.
[4:16] Speaker 4: Out, get the get the f out of here? Really
[4:20] Speaker 4: the Kingston Trio. Yeah, can you even name a song
[4:24] Speaker 4: by the Kingston Trio? Not the Moment, Let Me Go to,
[4:30] Speaker 4: Let Me.
[4:30] Speaker 3: Go to, Let me Go to, Claude dot Ai and
[4:33] Speaker 3: and get you a list of Kingston Trio songs.
[4:37] Speaker 4: I was gonna say for the Going Down the Rabbit Hole,
[4:40] Speaker 4: I was gonna.
[4:40] Speaker 1: Say puff the Magic Dragon, but I think that's Peter
[4:43] Speaker 1: Paul and Mary.
[4:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, you're off, you're off, your your hippie music is off.
[4:48] Speaker 2: Oh that's before hippie music.
[4:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, this is thank you justin. By the way, I
[4:55] Speaker 3: still haven't received my Brie, but it's pretty interesting to
[4:59] Speaker 3: me that Taylor Swift is number two to the Beatles
[5:02] Speaker 3: eighty six versus one hundred and whatever it is, one
[5:04] Speaker 3: hundred and thirty nine. She's going to catch them, right,
[5:08] Speaker 3: She's going to catch them, and she's going to surpass
[5:10] Speaker 3: the Beatles. I guarantee you that's gonna be something that's
[5:12] Speaker 3: gonna happen, you know, in in short order, better slice.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Of Rare breed with Justin on that one.
[5:20] Speaker 4: Okay, rare Okay, I will absolutely What.
[5:26] Speaker 3: Is your opinion, maybe somewhat controversial as well, is your
[5:32] Speaker 3: opinion that Taylor Swift maybe not now, but it could
[5:37] Speaker 3: be bigger than the Beatles, man, and there are a
[5:41] Speaker 3: number of different factors there, right, that's not just a blanket.
[5:45] Speaker 4: But think about it.
[5:46] Speaker 3: Obviously, fan wise, music sales wise, she's probably crushed them
[5:51] Speaker 3: already or wise crushed them.
[5:54] Speaker 4: Beatles didn't, you know, weren't a big touring band.
[5:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking of the other here, you and obviously.
[6:02] Speaker 1: You know, the first thing I'm drawn to is the
[6:05] Speaker 1: value of the catalog, right, I would I would throw
[6:10] Speaker 1: that in so I would think she has a chance
[6:14] Speaker 1: to surpass them at least in some of these metrics.
[6:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good quest. I mean, that's that's the
[6:20] Speaker 3: research guy in you.
[6:22] Speaker 2: Right.
[6:22] Speaker 4: What are the metrics are we talking about here in
[6:24] Speaker 4: terms of overall numbers?
[6:25] Speaker 3: The smart question, I think, and I'm not home today
[6:30] Speaker 3: I'm on the road.
[6:32] Speaker 4: Ordinarily I'd be able to jump onto Claude.
[6:35] Speaker 3: I'd go, okay, at this moment, how many albums has
[6:40] Speaker 3: she sold?
[6:41] Speaker 4: How many tickets as she sold?
[6:45] Speaker 3: How many you know, whatever those other criteria are. We
[6:48] Speaker 3: can look at things anyway that we want, and we
[6:52] Speaker 3: can ask Claude to search those things comparative or compared
[6:57] Speaker 3: to the Beatles and listen to beat played some big gigs,
[7:01] Speaker 3: but the Beatles didn't didn't sell out all over the
[7:05] Speaker 3: world in the in the crazy fashion that Tailert Swift has.
[7:10] Speaker 3: So I think that I think there were probably a
[7:13] Speaker 3: number of things where Taylor Swift, just because of the
[7:15] Speaker 3: times that we're living in, has just destroyed the Beatles
[7:18] Speaker 3: on some of those fronts.
[7:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, they were limited on the tour front for sure.
[7:25] Speaker 1: In looking at at Claude for this answer there, I
[7:31] Speaker 1: think I need to put a better criteria in. So
[7:34] Speaker 1: maybe you could, you could further uh, you could further stall.
[7:37] Speaker 4: For me, absolutely, I'm happy to stall.
[7:40] Speaker 3: What I'm going to do is you're doing that is
[7:42] Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about a couple of other things
[7:43] Speaker 3: on this day that have happened that are that are
[7:47] Speaker 3: things we don't necessarily need a ton of comment on
[7:51] Speaker 3: the first is that Janis Joplin's ashes were scattered on
[7:55] Speaker 3: this day the coast California. We talked about her death
[8:01] Speaker 3: not long ago. We talked about the historic RECORDINGO Mercedes Benz,
[8:06] Speaker 3: her last recording nineteen seventy Gone Way too Soon, part
[8:11] Speaker 3: of this twenty seven club, and it was.
[8:17] Speaker 4: You know, it was a huge hit for music.
[8:19] Speaker 3: This was not as much as this was a great
[8:21] Speaker 3: time for music when you think about the loss of
[8:25] Speaker 3: you know, artists and the loss of people in our
[8:29] Speaker 3: country with MLK and RFK, you know, in sixty eight
[8:35] Speaker 3: and you know, Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison.
[8:38] Speaker 4: I mean, this was a rough time for US as
[8:43] Speaker 4: a country on multiple levels.
[8:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, and these young deaths were mysterious for sure. Immediately,
[8:51] Speaker 1: people i think deferred to the notion that they were
[8:56] Speaker 1: you know, drug related. That was the first thought. And
[9:00] Speaker 1: certainly the lifestyle was ragged and rugged for sure. But
[9:05] Speaker 1: who knows what the other other reasons in many of
[9:09] Speaker 1: these cases for their departure from this earth. But you know,
[9:16] Speaker 1: there was great sadness among the generation for those losses,
[9:20] Speaker 1: for sure.
[9:21] Speaker 3: Listen, drugs don't come with a warning label. It's bad,
[9:25] Speaker 3: and they're bad for a number of different reasons. But
[9:27] Speaker 3: when you talk about some of the drugs that these
[9:30] Speaker 3: folks were doing back in those days, heroin and other
[9:33] Speaker 3: things that people just didn't understand, you know, this is
[9:36] Speaker 3: obviously a different topic, different tangent, probably a different podcast even.
[9:40] Speaker 4: But look at people like Philip Seymour Hoffman.
[9:42] Speaker 3: They got clean one day and then months or a
[9:46] Speaker 3: year later thought well, I can go do what I
[9:49] Speaker 3: did before, and they overdose, right, they don't. There are
[9:54] Speaker 3: no warning labels, there's no one, there's no drug counselor
[9:56] Speaker 3: saying Okay, if you're going to get high, don't do this,
[10:00] Speaker 3: do this and make sure that someone's with you. So
[10:03] Speaker 3: you don't you know, so you don't you know. It's
[10:06] Speaker 3: just it's awful. It's an awful thing. It's an epidemic
[10:11] Speaker 3: in our country and famly other places too.
[10:14] Speaker 1: But it is for sure, I do have a little
[10:17] Speaker 1: info the Era's tour for Taylor Swift. According to Claude,
[10:22] Speaker 1: it grows more than two billion in ticket sales. It
[10:25] Speaker 1: was the first tour to gross one billion in revenue
[10:28] Speaker 1: and the highest grossing tour in history. But I don't
[10:32] Speaker 1: have a career total in terms of her ticket sales.
[10:34] Speaker 1: But the more I think about your point, no disrespect
[10:39] Speaker 1: as a lover of the Beatles, for sure, and respect
[10:44] Speaker 1: Taylor for what she has built and continues to build.
[10:49] Speaker 1: But I do think it's probably, among various criteria accurate
[10:55] Speaker 1: to suggest she will surpass the Beatles.
[10:59] Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is the last, my last comming on and.
[11:02] Speaker 2: Some people are probably cringing.
[11:03] Speaker 4: There may be cringing, course they are.
[11:05] Speaker 3: I'm cringing too, And listen, I can't tell you the
[11:08] Speaker 3: name of more than two of her songs.
[11:10] Speaker 4: So I'm not a Taylor Swift fan.
[11:12] Speaker 3: I appreciate it, appreciate what she does, but the reality
[11:16] Speaker 3: is that this is a different era.
[11:18] Speaker 4: This is like comparing you know, when people talk about.
[11:20] Speaker 3: Sports people, who's the best basketball player of all time?
[11:24] Speaker 3: You know, do you look at you know, do we
[11:26] Speaker 3: go back to, you know, to the early days. Do
[11:30] Speaker 3: you go back to like Bill Russell, John Havelchek, or
[11:34] Speaker 3: do you look at Michael Jordan Or are people going
[11:36] Speaker 3: to say, well, Lebron is the best? It's all you know,
[11:40] Speaker 3: It's it's eraspecific. There weren't It wasn't apples and apples
[11:43] Speaker 3: when Michael Jordan was playing versus Lebron playing now.
[11:48] Speaker 4: Right, well different.
[11:49] Speaker 1: Times and also adding in another analysis of let's think
[11:54] Speaker 1: of the television landscape back when there was only you know,
[11:57] Speaker 1: three networks and the way you know, viewership was split
[12:03] Speaker 1: for you know, late night television among the three networks. Obviously,
[12:07] Speaker 1: no question, you know, Johnny Carson was the king during
[12:11] Speaker 1: that particular time, but those other.
[12:13] Speaker 2: Two shows, considering what they drew, you know that we're.
[12:19] Speaker 1: Up against Carson pretty stellar audiences as well, you know, Oh.
[12:24] Speaker 3: It's amazing, Yeah, it's amazing. They did amazing work. So
[12:28] Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four Buzz on October thirteenth, this is a
[12:30] Speaker 3: historic event. Stevie Ray Vaughan performed at Austin City Limits.
[12:37] Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember that show. There's a
[12:38] Speaker 4: video all over the place.
[12:41] Speaker 3: There's an interesting thing to me that happened during that show.
[12:46] Speaker 3: I always go back to the guitars because that's what
[12:49] Speaker 3: I that's my musical thing. But there was an an
[12:53] Speaker 3: event that happened that happens to guitar players all the time,
[12:56] Speaker 3: and that was during the song Little Sister, TV. Ray
[13:01] Speaker 3: broke a guitar string and instead of just playing through it,
[13:06] Speaker 3: and they could see clearly in the video, the string
[13:08] Speaker 3: pops off and it goes, it goes crazy. A guitar
[13:11] Speaker 3: tech walks out on stage with another strap and and
[13:18] Speaker 3: simultaneously Stevie takes one guitar off, the guitar tech puts
[13:22] Speaker 3: the other guitar on. Mid song, they plug him in
[13:26] Speaker 3: and he doesn't miss a beat. I've never seen anything
[13:29] Speaker 3: like it. It was like, hey, can you do this?
[13:33] Speaker 3: Like that's not something you practice for, that's not.
[13:38] Speaker 1: He was of another he was of another land, you know,
[13:41] Speaker 1: another other ilk. Yeah, I've seen similar, you know, illustrations
[13:47] Speaker 1: of that, and I think it's it's fascinating just how
[13:51] Speaker 1: you talk about improvising on the fly, right.
[13:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[13:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never seen it other than with him, and
[13:58] Speaker 3: I thought it was just unevable to see. October fourteenth,
[14:02] Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight, led Zeppelin performed and they were billed
[14:07] Speaker 3: as the new Yardbirds. I don't think I realized until
[14:13] Speaker 3: I saw Becoming led Zeppelin that they actually used the
[14:16] Speaker 3: Yardbirds name for a minute. Obviously they were born out
[14:19] Speaker 3: of the Yardbirds, but.
[14:20] Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't realize they used it.
[14:23] Speaker 2: I didn't either.
[14:24] Speaker 3: They played at Surrey University in England, and in seventy
[14:29] Speaker 3: seven Bowie released Heroes and you know, I always liked it.
[14:35] Speaker 3: You don't know about you, but when The Wallflowers came
[14:38] Speaker 3: out with their version, I got a new appreciation for
[14:40] Speaker 3: the song in general.
[14:44] Speaker 4: But I always loved the song.
[14:45] Speaker 1: I always loved the song. I would say my appreciation
[14:48] Speaker 1: grew at those moments when you know, in some form,
[14:52] Speaker 1: let's say, as a backdrop on TV to the passing
[15:00] Speaker 1: of somebody that they were memorializing and then playing Heroes
[15:03] Speaker 1: in the background a montage or whatever, just kind of
[15:08] Speaker 1: you know, whoever had passed on at that point, I remember,
[15:12] Speaker 1: I don't know, just discovering it differently, loving it differently
[15:16] Speaker 1: because I always liked it, and you know, and maybe
[15:19] Speaker 1: not always the biggest Bowie fan at that time, but
[15:22] Speaker 1: the song really did, you know, take on different meaning
[15:25] Speaker 1: through tragedy.
[15:26] Speaker 2: You know.
[15:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that I was ever a super
[15:29] Speaker 3: fan really ever, but there were always you know, there's
[15:33] Speaker 3: just a list of songs that you can rattle off and.
[15:35] Speaker 4: Go, wow, that's a great song.
[15:37] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for Suffragette City, Panic and Detroit Heroes, Rebel,
[15:41] Speaker 3: Rebel barn Burner, right, just I mean there's a bunch
[15:45] Speaker 3: of you know, great songs in that catalog, that's right.
[15:50] Speaker 2: Yep.
[15:51] Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty, the Talking Heads released Remain in Lights
[15:54] Speaker 3: and that featured Once in a Lifetime.
[15:57] Speaker 2: Love that song?
[15:58] Speaker 4: How did they give here?
[15:59] Speaker 2: I love?
[16:01] Speaker 1: I loved having Jerry Harrison on taking a walk celebrating
[16:05] Speaker 1: the fortieth anniversary of one of the great concert films
[16:10] Speaker 1: of all time.
[16:11] Speaker 2: Stopped making sense?
[16:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, what was there anything surprising that came out of
[16:16] Speaker 3: that conversation with him?
[16:19] Speaker 4: Just how.
[16:22] Speaker 1: You know, in the current times, just how vital he
[16:26] Speaker 1: still is and excited about things that he still is.
[16:29] Speaker 2: And I hadn't really.
[16:31] Speaker 1: Focused as much until preparing for that interview about the
[16:36] Speaker 1: other work that he had done with, you know, with
[16:39] Speaker 1: various artists, you know, such as Live I think as
[16:43] Speaker 1: one of those artists that he produced, So I hadn't
[16:47] Speaker 1: realized his other sort of producer work.
[16:50] Speaker 2: And then the last part was surprising.
[16:53] Speaker 1: I didn't really know the current still connection between he
[16:58] Speaker 1: and particularly David.
[16:59] Speaker 2: Byrne, but it's I was like, they're still tight, you know.
[17:02] Speaker 3: I think it's great when you hear these stories of
[17:04] Speaker 3: guys that are just really still connected it at some level.
[17:09] Speaker 3: You know, Jagger and Richards clearly are an example, you
[17:13] Speaker 3: know where they put whatever differences because there was awful mosity. Yeah,
[17:17] Speaker 3: I'm sure back when Keith was really drugging. But between
[17:20] Speaker 3: those two guys, and you know, they were notoriously at
[17:23] Speaker 3: each other. You know, Jimmy Page talks, so it's such
[17:29] Speaker 3: a lovely way about about Plant and John Paul Jones
[17:33] Speaker 3: and and John Bonham. Yep, you know, I just I
[17:35] Speaker 3: just heard something very interesting and we're going to talk
[17:37] Speaker 3: about Let's let me see if we have another led
[17:41] Speaker 3: Zeppelin story real quick, and uh yeah, we do, so
[17:45] Speaker 3: I'll get to I gotta I got a led Zeppelin
[17:47] Speaker 3: story about what leeds up, what Zeppelin may have done,
[17:52] Speaker 3: or John's death, what they were planning to do before
[17:55] Speaker 3: he died.
[17:56] Speaker 1: So you're teasing, you're teasing the head.
[17:59] Speaker 3: I like that little teas and I actually went, this
[18:03] Speaker 3: is very funny with Claude, It's serendipitous. But I did
[18:06] Speaker 3: a little bit of research on this with Claude as well.
[18:10] Speaker 4: With Claude AI, So we'll talk about that in just
[18:11] Speaker 4: a few minutes. October fifteenth. None of the Beatles' story.
[18:14] Speaker 3: Beatles made their debut their first gig at Homburg's iSER
[18:19] Speaker 3: Keller Club in nineteen sixty with Who playing the drums.
[18:24] Speaker 2: With Pete Best.
[18:26] Speaker 3: Right in Best Best and now in one second, we
[18:30] Speaker 3: may have to pause. Here, I'm at leaner. She's got
[18:32] Speaker 3: these two due hours and hey, get in the house.
[18:40] Speaker 2: What is it?
[18:41] Speaker 4: What is it? A dog? A cat? Two us two
[18:46] Speaker 4: two hours. They are the al Qaeda of the dog world.
[18:50] Speaker 3: And I love and I love all animals, but these
[18:54] Speaker 3: dogs just want to They have no sense of their side,
[18:58] Speaker 3: They have no sense of what anything or anyone could
[19:01] Speaker 3: do to them.
[19:02] Speaker 4: They just want to fight.
[19:03] Speaker 2: They do they have a sense of self though.
[19:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, they are the MS thirteen of the dog world.
[19:11] Speaker 3: You don't mess with us. We mess with you. You think
[19:15] Speaker 3: you're waiting for trouble. Oh no, we are the trouble.
[19:20] Speaker 3: We are the ones that knock anyway. So I just
[19:23] Speaker 3: put those monsters inside. Nineteen seventy three, October fifteenth, Keith
[19:28] Speaker 3: Richards fine for possession of cannabis in France. It's amazing
[19:33] Speaker 3: to me that we were jailing people for weed.
[19:37] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, now you have legal substances, legal betting, what's next?
[19:45] Speaker 3: Oh no, I never in a million I never thought
[19:47] Speaker 3: in my lifetime that I'd be able to go to
[19:49] Speaker 3: the weed store and buy gummy so that I could
[19:51] Speaker 3: actually fall asleep.
[19:53] Speaker 4: I never never had a problem sleeping until I became
[19:55] Speaker 4: an old man.
[19:56] Speaker 3: And now God bless the weed stores, in my opinion,
[20:00] Speaker 3: bless the power.
[20:00] Speaker 4: Of the gummy.
[20:03] Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy six songs in the Kilife hit number one
[20:07] Speaker 3: in the US. We talked about how important that out was. Oh,
[20:11] Speaker 3: a couple of weeks back. It didn't take it very
[20:13] Speaker 3: long to make it there. Nineteen ninety, the Rock Hall
[20:17] Speaker 3: of Fame inducted the Who, Simon and Garfunkele and the
[20:20] Speaker 3: Kinks as part of that Class of nineteen ninety. Big
[20:25] Speaker 3: deal for all of them.
[20:28] Speaker 1: Well yeah, especially the ones that were always fighting, such
[20:30] Speaker 1: as the Davis brothers Davies brothers.
[20:33] Speaker 4: I like I say, I say Davies.
[20:35] Speaker 2: I think they say Davis. But it's Ray Davies day, Dave.
[20:40] Speaker 4: Ray and Dave Davies, right, they were at each other.
[20:42] Speaker 2: But don't they say Davis? Then doesn't some people pronounce
[20:45] Speaker 2: it that way?
[20:46] Speaker 4: They may that's the bridge, all right. They don't know,
[20:48] Speaker 4: they don't know from what they're talking about.
[20:50] Speaker 3: And you got two groups, by the way, of folks
[20:52] Speaker 3: that are notorious for fighting. You got the davis Is
[20:55] Speaker 3: if you will, and then you got Simon and Garfunkel.
[20:58] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, like a couple of thugs on
[21:01] Speaker 3: a street corner.
[21:02] Speaker 2: Definitely.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, they've since reconciled well. And by the way, the
[21:06] Speaker 1: who has had a couple tumbles here and there as.
[21:08] Speaker 2: Well, Yeah they have they Yeah.
[21:11] Speaker 4: So you got three, three groups of of folks that
[21:15] Speaker 4: didn't all get along right.
[21:18] Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty two, the Beatles actually signed their first
[21:22] Speaker 3: up a recording contract with EMI at Abbey Road Studios.
[21:28] Speaker 3: Fix the eight Cream began their phil Farewell Tour. Their
[21:34] Speaker 3: first stop was Oakland, and Cretan's officially announced their breakup
[21:39] Speaker 3: in seventy two.
[21:40] Speaker 4: So a lot. This is a very interesting week.
[21:43] Speaker 3: This is a two page week for me as I
[21:45] Speaker 3: sit here and look at the notes, and there's really
[21:48] Speaker 3: still very little that I can eliminate. This is a
[21:52] Speaker 3: long episode because a lot of stuff happened in this week.
[21:55] Speaker 3: Think about it, you know, September things are things are happening.
[21:59] Speaker 3: Are twelve rather, things are happening. People are out of
[22:01] Speaker 3: the summer, dul drums and albums are coming out, movies
[22:04] Speaker 3: are coming out.
[22:05] Speaker 4: It's important.
[22:06] Speaker 1: Well, you know, they don't call you the manager of
[22:09] Speaker 1: musical Minutia for nothing.
[22:11] Speaker 3: This week was complete Michigos trying to pull this together.
[22:14] Speaker 3: So yeah, manager of Minutia and michigs. This is an
[22:18] Speaker 3: interesting story. I didn't know about this. In two thousand
[22:22] Speaker 3: and one, the estates of Artemis Pyle and Ronnie van
[22:27] Speaker 3: Zandt and Steve Gaines.
[22:30] Speaker 4: Dude over the making of the movie Free Bird. Did
[22:37] Speaker 4: you ever see that movie Free Bird?
[22:38] Speaker 2: Did not?
[22:40] Speaker 4: I think I want to see it.
[22:41] Speaker 3: I'm like, you know when I was when that album
[22:45] Speaker 3: One More from the Road came out. I remember being
[22:50] Speaker 3: at summer camp that summer and like hearing Gimme Three
[22:52] Speaker 3: Steps in Sweep Home, Alabama for the first time on
[22:55] Speaker 3: you know, a rock radio, and I remember just being
[23:00] Speaker 3: completely enthralled with Leonard Scanner.
[23:02] Speaker 4: That started it for me when I was ten years old.
[23:05] Speaker 3: And this movie Freebird is based in part around that
[23:12] Speaker 3: period of time when they did that show at the
[23:15] Speaker 3: at the Fox Theater in Atlanta, and then there's a
[23:17] Speaker 3: bunch of footage apparently shot and floor in other places,
[23:20] Speaker 3: but I'm I'm gonna watch that.
[23:22] Speaker 4: Movie and give you some insight on it. I'm a
[23:25] Speaker 4: huge skinnered fan.
[23:27] Speaker 1: And there's still people, you know, within that camp that
[23:32] Speaker 1: I think they were original members and are not considered original.
[23:37] Speaker 2: So there's still some of that tussling and infighting. There's
[23:43] Speaker 2: a lighting, yeah, you know.
[23:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of guys al Cooper running around,
[23:49] Speaker 3: you know.
[23:49] Speaker 4: I saw him with I think I saw al Cooper
[23:52] Speaker 4: with Marty.
[23:53] Speaker 3: Marty Schwartz, one of the big guitar teachers on YouTube
[23:57] Speaker 3: showing us how to play Sweet Home Alabama as a
[24:00] Speaker 3: guitar player or right of passages to learn those three
[24:03] Speaker 3: chords D, C, and G, And then I watched al
[24:08] Speaker 3: Kooper play it. He claims he wrote the lick. I
[24:12] Speaker 3: don't know if he did or not. You know, another
[24:13] Speaker 3: one of those people running around saying I was an
[24:15] Speaker 3: original member, but he plays it differently than than we
[24:18] Speaker 3: all learned how to play it when we were.
[24:19] Speaker 4: Kids as our first song. So yeah, there are people
[24:23] Speaker 4: running around talking a bunch of smack.
[24:25] Speaker 3: Whether it's true or not, they're they're running their mouths
[24:28] Speaker 3: about it.
[24:29] Speaker 2: Well.
[24:29] Speaker 1: I had Ricky medlock on yeah, and Ricky Ricky Medlock
[24:34] Speaker 1: still to this day, uh feels a sense of bitterness
[24:38] Speaker 1: that when the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction
[24:42] Speaker 1: occurred that he was not considered kind of an original member,
[24:47] Speaker 1: and he feels he's got, you know, specific documentation to
[24:52] Speaker 1: that fact, so it still stings for him. He did
[24:55] Speaker 1: not mince words on how he feels he's been treated,
[25:00] Speaker 1: at least in terms of the Hall of Fame.
[25:04] Speaker 4: It's an interesting back to bring up.
[25:07] Speaker 3: I didn't you know, I guess I remember listening to
[25:10] Speaker 3: the Ricky Medlock thing.
[25:13] Speaker 4: What was he around in the beginning in the in
[25:17] Speaker 4: the early days.
[25:18] Speaker 3: Do you recall him saying, you know, for the first
[25:21] Speaker 3: few albums or through Street Survivors or I mean Street
[25:25] Speaker 3: Survivors obviously is the is the mark right when people
[25:28] Speaker 3: say I was an original member, you were either part
[25:30] Speaker 3: of that band prior to Street Survivors when the crash happened,
[25:34] Speaker 3: probably or not.
[25:36] Speaker 2: He was in, he was out, and then he was
[25:39] Speaker 2: back in.
[25:40] Speaker 1: So I think because there was some hiatus period however long,
[25:48] Speaker 1: I think he wasn't treated as, as you know, one
[25:51] Speaker 1: of the original members. And according to Claude AI, the
[25:56] Speaker 1: current lineup is is Johnny Van zandt, Ricky Medlock and
[26:01] Speaker 1: then I gotta be honest, a bunch of people I
[26:03] Speaker 1: have no idea who they are, with all due respect,
[26:07] Speaker 1: Damon Johnson on guitar, Mark Sparky Matteka on guitar, Michael
[26:13] Speaker 1: Cardolone his name is familiar on drums, Keith Christopher bass,
[26:19] Speaker 1: Peter Keys keyboards, Carol Chase backing vocals, Stacy Michelle backing vocals.
[26:23] Speaker 2: So it's pretty much Johnny and Ricky, you.
[26:28] Speaker 4: Know the thing about that band, And there are a lot.
[26:30] Speaker 3: Of bands, you know, you can look at bands like
[26:33] Speaker 3: Chicago as an example, who you know they have one
[26:38] Speaker 3: one horn player right, trumper player or who that's right?
[26:44] Speaker 4: And he was Do you had him right? I did,
[26:47] Speaker 4: Yeah you.
[26:48] Speaker 3: Did, so he he's the one remaining member of that band.
[26:52] Speaker 3: One of the things about Skinner that's great is Johnny
[26:55] Speaker 3: Van's aunt sounds just like his brother.
[26:57] Speaker 4: Oh yeah right, So you could see Leonard's skinned. It's
[27:00] Speaker 4: unlike seeing Journey.
[27:04] Speaker 3: With oh his name, the karaoke guy, the karaoke guy
[27:10] Speaker 3: who was frighteningly similar to Steve Perry. But you can
[27:14] Speaker 3: see that band and you can hear his brother in him,
[27:17] Speaker 3: and that's what's kind of frightening to me about about that?
[27:21] Speaker 3: In a good way? Yep, with skinners. I'm gonna go
[27:23] Speaker 3: down the I'm gonna go down the Ricky Medlocks rabbit hole.
[27:26] Speaker 3: I'm gonna use claud Ai. I'm going to use a
[27:28] Speaker 3: couple of other sources that I have, but I'm very
[27:30] Speaker 3: curious about Ricky's involvement when he says he was involved,
[27:34] Speaker 3: and I'm gonna go down that rabbit hole.
[27:35] Speaker 4: I may or may not.
[27:36] Speaker 3: Report back that, maybe under the cover of michig OSTs.
[27:40] Speaker 4: But you know, I'm gonna probably drive myself a little
[27:42] Speaker 4: crazy there.
[27:43] Speaker 3: It's over seventeenth of nineteen eighty, Springsteen played his first
[27:49] Speaker 3: concert in New Jersey after the release of the River
[27:53] Speaker 3: Big Deals double albums there. This was also on the
[27:59] Speaker 3: heat of I think there were five No Nukes shows
[28:06] Speaker 3: near the end of September that happened, and he was
[28:10] Speaker 3: playing if you remember watching the video and.
[28:14] Speaker 4: You know, hearing the bootlegs from that, I went to
[28:17] Speaker 4: one of them.
[28:17] Speaker 2: I went to one of them.
[28:18] Speaker 4: Did you really went to the garden?
[28:21] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[28:21] Speaker 4: Oh you you have the floor? Then I got I got,
[28:24] Speaker 4: I got shipped to say, as they say, your talk
[28:27] Speaker 4: it's your turn.
[28:30] Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, oh, the whole the whole experience was
[28:33] Speaker 1: a complete, you know, mind blowing experience in terms of
[28:39] Speaker 1: the performances, and Bruce's.
[28:41] Speaker 2: Was no exception.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Obviously is one of the great performances, certainly from Bruce
[28:46] Speaker 1: of many right, But it was a it was an
[28:50] Speaker 1: overwhelming experience in terms of just the amount of music
[28:54] Speaker 1: that you saw. But I didn't realize where you were
[28:56] Speaker 1: going that that that event, him playing at that event
[29:01] Speaker 1: was sort of adjacent to him doing these other big dates.
[29:05] Speaker 3: It makes sense, yeah, And to me it's interesting because
[29:11] Speaker 3: he played and the music was received with such mirror
[29:17] Speaker 3: and excitement from people. When he played the River or
[29:21] Speaker 3: you know, other songs from that album, I think maybe.
[29:23] Speaker 4: He played Barry Darling or he played it.
[29:27] Speaker 3: You know, I got to go back and look at
[29:28] Speaker 3: what the setlist is. I should have probably prepped this
[29:30] Speaker 3: part of it better. But he played songs that people
[29:32] Speaker 3: didn't know at that point, buggs that hadn't been released,
[29:35] Speaker 3: that he hadn't played, and that was also for me,
[29:39] Speaker 3: a little personal piece of it.
[29:40] Speaker 4: I didn't get to.
[29:41] Speaker 3: Know Nukes, but when I met Rob Barnett the first
[29:46] Speaker 3: time in nineteen eighty one.
[29:49] Speaker 4: I remember this like it was yesterday.
[29:51] Speaker 3: He was wearing a River Tour jacket that he had
[29:54] Speaker 3: gotten from Bruce, or from John, or from someone he
[29:58] Speaker 3: worked for Columbia. He was wearing a River pinny. He
[30:01] Speaker 3: had all this Bruce stuff. This was before I was
[30:03] Speaker 3: really deep into Bruce. And and that's a memory that
[30:07] Speaker 3: I have is meeting Rob Barnett on the heels of
[30:09] Speaker 3: that tour, not meeting John Landau, not meeting Maxim Weinberger,
[30:13] Speaker 3: Roy Bitten or Bruce.
[30:14] Speaker 4: I met Rob Barnett.
[30:15] Speaker 2: I love it.
[30:16] Speaker 3: So that tour came out and he was the college
[30:18] Speaker 3: rep at that point he had come out of like
[30:20] Speaker 3: you know, Boston College or something like that.
[30:23] Speaker 2: I had forgotten that part of his career.
[30:25] Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, it would be interesting. I got to reach
[30:28] Speaker 3: out to him and say, give me a little give
[30:30] Speaker 3: me a little bit of that story. He'd be saying,
[30:33] Speaker 3: he's such a good guest. You've had him on. He
[30:34] Speaker 3: talked about the Nirvana thing at MTV. But that guy,
[30:38] Speaker 3: in my opinion, is a music college. Oh yeah, Like
[30:42] Speaker 3: if I get if I get hit by a truck tomorrow,
[30:45] Speaker 3: you got to call Barnett, right, You got to see
[30:48] Speaker 3: if Barnett can do this because he'd do it a
[30:50] Speaker 3: thousand times better than I could.
[30:51] Speaker 4: And he's got the stories right, he lived so much
[30:54] Speaker 4: of it.
[30:55] Speaker 1: Well, don't manager of Musical Minutia, don't sell yourself short,
[31:00] Speaker 1: please all.
[31:01] Speaker 4: Right, October eighteenth, we got two more days. I'm gonna
[31:04] Speaker 4: blast throw them buzz. I know we're probably now that
[31:06] Speaker 4: we're tight on time.
[31:07] Speaker 3: It's not like radio or not like we get to
[31:09] Speaker 3: hit you know, we've probably hit the commercial breaks already.
[31:12] Speaker 4: We mentioned Claude AI.
[31:13] Speaker 3: By the way, we're gonna pre promote that we're going
[31:16] Speaker 3: to be doing a little something with the Springsteen movie.
[31:19] Speaker 3: If I may, you may, may, I may I. So
[31:23] Speaker 3: there's a lot going on. The sponsors will be taken
[31:25] Speaker 3: care of. They'll be well taken care of. Nineteen sixty six,
[31:28] Speaker 3: October eighteenth, Jimmy Hendrix The Jimmy Hendricks Experience played their
[31:32] Speaker 3: first show at the Olympia in Paris.
[31:36] Speaker 4: I didn't know that. I didn't know they debuted in Paris,
[31:39] Speaker 4: did you?
[31:40] Speaker 3: Oh?
[31:40] Speaker 2: No, I would have given anything to be there for that.
[31:44] Speaker 4: Huh, Oh my gosh.
[31:45] Speaker 3: Crazy nineteen sixty nine Temptations hit number one with I
[31:49] Speaker 3: Can't Get next to you.
[31:50] Speaker 4: That's one of those songs that if it comes on.
[31:56] Speaker 3: Radio or someone or the iPad or iPod or someone's
[31:59] Speaker 3: bastard of the party, I stop and.
[32:01] Speaker 4: Go hang on a second, I gotta I gotta listen
[32:04] Speaker 4: to this. You can't not tap your feet to that song.
[32:07] Speaker 3: It's just such a that song almost borders on rock.
[32:11] Speaker 2: It's with its fat Yeah. I officially get my jiggy
[32:15] Speaker 2: on when that's.
[32:16] Speaker 4: On, But really, is that like your happy dance or
[32:19] Speaker 4: what is the jiggy?
[32:20] Speaker 2: I just get my jiggy, man, my jiggy's on.
[32:24] Speaker 4: You know.
[32:24] Speaker 3: You know what's funny to me is when guys like us,
[32:27] Speaker 3: men of a particular age, Oh stop it try to
[32:31] Speaker 3: be hip.
[32:32] Speaker 4: Oh stop, I get my jiggy on.
[32:34] Speaker 2: I get my jiggy on, man.
[32:36] Speaker 3: And then you get your jiggy on, and undoubtedly someone
[32:39] Speaker 3: in the crowd goes, do you want to call nine
[32:42] Speaker 3: to one one? Is he wearing an apple? Is he
[32:44] Speaker 3: wearing an Apple watch? It may notify the authorities. He
[32:47] Speaker 3: got his jiggy on, but he got what happened to it?
[32:50] Speaker 1: But he his hamstring is now got a problem.
[32:53] Speaker 4: We're gonna hit him with a narkhan because his Jiggy
[32:56] Speaker 4: came on out of the blue.
[32:58] Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy five, Simon our Funcle reunited the Speaking of
[33:01] Speaker 3: the half Fields and McCoy's of.
[33:04] Speaker 4: Music and the Davises and the Who.
[33:06] Speaker 3: They got together in nineteen seventy five and performed on
[33:09] Speaker 3: Saturday Night Lot.
[33:10] Speaker 4: They had a little reunion. It was a great performance.
[33:12] Speaker 4: By the way, it was nineteen eighty eight.
[33:16] Speaker 3: Bon Jovi released New Jersey, banged out a bunch of
[33:19] Speaker 3: singles out of that, and the last day of the week,
[33:22] Speaker 3: October nineteenth.
[33:24] Speaker 4: Of course we've got three big ones.
[33:26] Speaker 3: We got a Beatles related, we got a Zeppelin, we
[33:29] Speaker 3: got a Bowie. Nineteen sixty eight, Lennon and Yoko are
[33:33] Speaker 3: arrested in London for possession of cannabis, the second marijuana.
[33:38] Speaker 4: Arrest on this week in music history.
[33:42] Speaker 3: And this day we got Keith Richards on October fifteenth,
[33:44] Speaker 3: and you know, a few days later in history, we
[33:48] Speaker 3: got John and Yoko.
[33:50] Speaker 4: Austin fer Weed.
[33:52] Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy led Zeppelin three reached number one on the
[33:55] Speaker 3: UK charts.
[33:58] Speaker 4: I teased this a few minutes ago.
[34:00] Speaker 3: I just saw an interview with Jimmy Page where he
[34:04] Speaker 3: was talking about the death of John Bonham and what
[34:07] Speaker 3: may have become of led Zeppelin after In Through the Outdoor.
[34:12] Speaker 3: And I found it so fascinating because I had never
[34:15] Speaker 3: heard this before, that John Paul Jones had bought a
[34:20] Speaker 3: big sythesizer. I forget what it's called exactly, but it's
[34:24] Speaker 3: like the moog, right, remember the Emerson Lake and Palmer.
[34:28] Speaker 4: It was like one of those devices, a big pit
[34:33] Speaker 4: the sider kind of device.
[34:36] Speaker 3: And John Paul Jones and John Bonham and Jimmy Page
[34:41] Speaker 3: were all talking about the direction that they were going next,
[34:44] Speaker 3: and they were going back to heavy guitars, right.
[34:48] Speaker 4: They took I.
[34:49] Speaker 3: Think what you heard a little bit on In Through
[34:52] Speaker 3: the Outdoor with heavy keyboards, right, John Paul Jones's influence,
[34:56] Speaker 3: and they were going to add to that synthesizers like
[34:59] Speaker 3: in Care or Salambra in the evening, and they were
[35:03] Speaker 3: going to just bust it out with the guitars again.
[35:06] Speaker 3: And to me, it really got me excited for a
[35:10] Speaker 3: minute for what could have been. Oh yeah, because think
[35:13] Speaker 3: about it, you know sixty eight, you know, through In
[35:18] Speaker 3: Through the Outdoor in nineteen eighty, the band really rocked
[35:22] Speaker 3: really well. In Through the Outdoor was a different deal
[35:26] Speaker 3: tonically and to know that that's the direction they were
[35:30] Speaker 3: headed in, was to add the synthesizers from In through
[35:33] Speaker 3: the Outdoor, which we both loved that album totally, and
[35:35] Speaker 3: then you know, get back into you know, maybe a
[35:39] Speaker 3: great lick like a whole Lot of Love or heartbreaker
[35:42] Speaker 3: or communication.
[35:43] Speaker 4: To break down or something comes out of whatever's next.
[35:46] Speaker 3: But it would it would be wonderful to have heard,
[35:50] Speaker 3: you know, what could have happened.
[35:51] Speaker 4: I wonder if there are tapes, What if there's stuff.
[35:54] Speaker 3: That maybe they recorded and left on the cutting room
[35:57] Speaker 3: floor that we never got to hear.
[36:00] Speaker 1: More than likely yeah, because I don't think they would
[36:03] Speaker 1: be of an organization that would be releasing that stuff.
[36:07] Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's their mo unlike some other bands.
[36:12] Speaker 1: So I'm sure there's stuff sitting somewhere.
[36:14] Speaker 4: It would be amazing if they did. My question for
[36:17] Speaker 4: them would be why not.
[36:20] Speaker 3: You know, you can make a few bucks, you can
[36:23] Speaker 3: sit at the desk again, you can produce some led
[36:26] Speaker 3: Zeppelin music, which all of us would be new, And
[36:29] Speaker 3: how fun would that be if we can't get to
[36:30] Speaker 3: see them, If they're not going to take all the
[36:33] Speaker 3: money in the world, and let's face it there, and
[36:36] Speaker 3: I know firsthand that there was a a hell of
[36:40] Speaker 3: cat or to them to the two show in twenty twelve,
[36:45] Speaker 3: and know it from Rich Creswick and Brian Kabasnik who
[36:49] Speaker 3: were there, who were part of that group of folks
[36:51] Speaker 3: that were round them during that time that said basically,
[36:56] Speaker 3: name your price, and they wouldn't do it to continue
[36:59] Speaker 3: on on.
[37:01] Speaker 2: I don't think Robert Plant's going to budget there you go.
[37:04] Speaker 4: No, he's not.
[37:04] Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy three, Bowie retired, Ziggy Star US Farewell costic
[37:09] Speaker 3: film release and the Last Story of the Day had
[37:11] Speaker 3: a sad one. Two thousand and three October nineteenth, Ammy
[37:14] Speaker 3: Whitehouse released her debut album, Frank.
[37:17] Speaker 4: In the United Fingom.
[37:20] Speaker 2: We had a.
[37:21] Speaker 4: Bragick ending.
[37:24] Speaker 2: It sure did.
[37:26] Speaker 4: What a week?
[37:27] Speaker 2: I mean, I need a nap.
[37:29] Speaker 4: I'm exhaust.
[37:30] Speaker 3: I'm standing outside in lovely Docremento, California.
[37:34] Speaker 4: We're by the way. It's beautiful right.
[37:36] Speaker 3: Now as I do this, and I'm going a cigar
[37:39] Speaker 3: and I have some notes in front of me and
[37:40] Speaker 3: a cup of coffee and I'm just I'm in a
[37:43] Speaker 3: different spot.
[37:43] Speaker 4: Than I usually am at the Michigan desk.
[37:47] Speaker 1: So the great Day it's a great week, Harry, thank
[37:51] Speaker 1: you so much for this week in music history for
[37:53] Speaker 1: the week of October thirteenth through the nineteenth. And we
[37:56] Speaker 1: appreciate your work and we appreciate all you Liss listening
[38:00] Speaker 1: to the Take on a Walk podcast

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