# Buttigieg to Democrats: Picture life after Trump; Republicans already are

An episode of [The Briefing with Jen Psaki](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1692806415), 29 Jan 2026, 42 min.

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Former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg talks with Jen Psaki about accountability for the abuses committed by members of the Trump administration but also thinking to the future after Trump and how Americans really feel about the issues Trump uses as divisive cultural wedges. Jen Psaki looks at how even non-political American cultural spaces are reacting to the killing for Alex Pretti and the brutality of ICE actions, and shares other indicators, including new polling, that suggest Trump is in big trouble with voters. Senator Jon Ossoff joins to discuss Donald Trump's corruption of the Justice Department to force the investigation of his conspiracy theory about his 2020 election loss to Joe Biden. Ezra Levin discusses the No Kings Day 3 protests and the expectation that participation will set a new record for protests in the United States. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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