# 2- Year Anniversary "Listener's Choice": Higher Is Waiting w/ Tyler Perry

An episode of [Keep it Positive, Sweetie](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689495115), 8 Jun 2025, 1 h 19 min.

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As we celebrate two years of Keep It Positive, Sweetie, we are running back some of your favorite episodes. This week's episode is none other than my dear friend, Tyler Perry. Known to the world as a visionary, humanitarian, director, actor and writer, Tyler shares life lessons as he's navigated many ups and downs. If you're new here, WELCOME!! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hey, sweeties, it's christopherne Hazelin and you're about to hear
[0:03] Speaker 1: a special reair of one of the most powerful episodes
[0:06] Speaker 1: we've had on Keep It Positive. Sweetie, the one and
[0:09] Speaker 1: only Tyler Perry sat with me and shared his journey
[0:12] Speaker 1: with a level of honesty and intention that shook so
[0:15] Speaker 1: many of us, from his early struggles to building an
[0:18] Speaker 1: empire with faith and vision, his story and his words
[0:22] Speaker 1: lit a fire under this community. I've heard so many
[0:25] Speaker 1: of you say that this episode gave you clarity, courage,
[0:29] Speaker 1: and confirmation to keep going. Whether it's your first listen
[0:33] Speaker 1: or your third, Tyler's story is the kind that HiT's different.
[0:37] Speaker 2: Every single time. Hello, and welcome to this episode of
[1:04] Speaker 2: Keep It Positive. Sweetie. Guys, I am so excited about
[1:08] Speaker 2: this episode.
[1:09] Speaker 1: I have none other than my boss, the biggest boss,
[1:14] Speaker 1: multi hyphan. You are an author, You are a writer,
[1:17] Speaker 1: a director, a philanthropist, a father, everything.
[1:22] Speaker 2: Tyler Perry, My god, hey, like, I literally feel like
[1:28] Speaker 2: this is my first time doing this. I was so nervous.
[1:30] Speaker 3: I could like, that's so crazy because we talked all
[1:33] Speaker 3: the time all the yes.
[1:35] Speaker 2: I just wanted to make you proud to do this right.
[1:36] Speaker 3: I'm already proud. I'm already proud of the other episodes.
[1:39] Speaker 3: I'm proud at the title. You got to tell me
[1:40] Speaker 3: how that came about.
[1:41] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it came about because I had a young
[1:46] Speaker 1: lady actually had posted a young woman's work who helped
[1:49] Speaker 1: me organize my closet.
[1:50] Speaker 2: And this woman got on.
[1:51] Speaker 1: She was like, all this bragging and boasting, you need
[1:55] Speaker 1: to go buy some land or a house.
[1:57] Speaker 2: I said, I had time. I'm like, I nor block,
[2:02] Speaker 2: we got time today.
[2:03] Speaker 1: My little fingers got the turtin and I was like,
[2:05] Speaker 1: I said, what you should look is I'm supporting another
[2:08] Speaker 1: woman's business and not looking at it from a negative standpoint.
[2:12] Speaker 2: I just put hashtag keep it positive, sweetie. Oh okay,
[2:15] Speaker 2: and it grew legs.
[2:16] Speaker 1: My fans were like it just like literally went crazy. DeNora,
[2:19] Speaker 1: we were trying to come with a title for the podcast,
[2:21] Speaker 1: and she's like, a time.
[2:22] Speaker 2: I think of you, I think of abundance.
[2:24] Speaker 1: And in that moment, I was like, in the back
[2:26] Speaker 1: of my hand, I said, what if it's not always
[2:27] Speaker 1: like this?
[2:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, abundant? Like what if my life is? It was crazy? Lad,
[2:32] Speaker 2: just got to thinking about.
[2:33] Speaker 3: It, and what if your life wasn't.
[2:36] Speaker 1: Always isn't always like this wasn't always because abundance. She's like,
[2:39] Speaker 1: every time I think of you, I think of abundance.
[2:41] Speaker 1: And a part of me was like, but what if.
[2:43] Speaker 2: It's not always like this?
[2:46] Speaker 3: And you know where that came from.
[2:48] Speaker 2: We can get into that, We can definitely get into that.
[2:51] Speaker 3: That is clearly just that unfeathered fear from childhood or
[2:57] Speaker 3: something that somebody said to you, or something that somebody
[3:00] Speaker 3: planet in you that immediately make you think this isn't
[3:03] Speaker 3: going to last always yes, And that is a horrible, horrible,
[3:06] Speaker 3: sinking feeling, and it's also a lie, but it can
[3:10] Speaker 3: serve you well because it can motivate you to keep
[3:13] Speaker 3: going and work even harder. So that's what I used
[3:16] Speaker 3: it for. I used to hear it. I don't hear
[3:18] Speaker 3: no more. I don't hear I think I'm all.
[3:21] Speaker 2: Right now, you are all right? You all right?
[3:24] Speaker 1: So we were brainstorming and I was like, you know,
[3:26] Speaker 1: I want to do a little segment on the show
[3:28] Speaker 1: called keep a Positive Speedy and they're like, that's the
[3:30] Speaker 1: name of the show of the show, and that's how
[3:32] Speaker 1: it came up with it.
[3:33] Speaker 3: That's great. I don't like addressing haters. But that's good.
[3:36] Speaker 3: I'm plaid. Something great came out because people, you know,
[3:39] Speaker 3: and social media in this world, they're sitting around nothing
[3:43] Speaker 3: to do, and and and what what you have to
[3:45] Speaker 3: understand about people who post negative things like that? The
[3:49] Speaker 3: algorithms in social media, if you click on something negative,
[3:53] Speaker 3: you're only going to get fed negativity. So the negativity
[3:57] Speaker 3: is showing up in their lives with in other things.
[4:00] Speaker 3: And if you keep letting that stuff in everything negative, everything, negative, everything, gossip, everything,
[4:05] Speaker 3: is that your life is going to become that. So
[4:09] Speaker 3: I'm very much about keeping a positive sweetie, and staying
[4:12] Speaker 3: and staying and staying clear of all of that foolishness.
[4:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, you do a really good job of that.
[4:18] Speaker 3: I try to. I try to. I don't. I don't
[4:20] Speaker 3: let it in. I'll stop if somebody is talking about
[4:22] Speaker 3: somebody in front of me, a god, we don't do
[4:24] Speaker 3: that here.
[4:25] Speaker 2: You cut it off quick.
[4:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that you. Yeah.
[4:28] Speaker 1: When I know they're talking about me, you're not gonna
[4:30] Speaker 1: let them talk about me.
[4:31] Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'll fight somebody over you now, no.
[4:34] Speaker 3: No, no, somebody tell me somebody's in, you will if
[4:38] Speaker 3: somebody's in, and if you're telling me something because there's
[4:42] Speaker 3: a situation that we need to help. That's different, but
[4:45] Speaker 3: not just to be No, if you ain't got no
[4:47] Speaker 3: solutions to what people are going through, no offering trying
[4:50] Speaker 3: to help, don't don't bring that to me.
[4:52] Speaker 2: No, No, that's real. I love it. I love that.
[4:54] Speaker 2: I want to do a little story time. We're gonna
[4:56] Speaker 2: go back.
[4:57] Speaker 1: Yes, when we when it first started, when I first
[4:59] Speaker 1: started working at Tyler Perry Studios as a PA, the
[5:03] Speaker 1: first thing they told me do not look at him
[5:05] Speaker 1: in the eyes. Don't speak to him when you see him,
[5:08] Speaker 1: don't do I was like, okay.
[5:10] Speaker 3: And don't you know, I don't even know what year
[5:11] Speaker 3: was because I.
[5:12] Speaker 1: Was twenty twelve going into thirteen when we started happen
[5:15] Speaker 1: to have not.
[5:15] Speaker 3: Who was starting all this shit? Don't keep absolutely who
[5:20] Speaker 3: was starting all this shit? Because I hear rumors too,
[5:22] Speaker 3: but that oh, oh, don't look, don't talk to don't
[5:25] Speaker 3: do I'm like, what do y'all? Where does this come from?
[5:27] Speaker 2: I don't know?
[5:27] Speaker 3: Somebody told you that?
[5:28] Speaker 1: Yes, that was like a part of like my getting
[5:31] Speaker 1: the ropes, learning the ropes, Like, so if you ever
[5:33] Speaker 1: see him, like, don't get on the elevator, and it
[5:35] Speaker 1: reminded me of Capitol Hill when I worked on the Hills,
[5:37] Speaker 1: like if you see a Senate on the elevator, do
[5:39] Speaker 1: not go on.
[5:39] Speaker 2: If they're on the train going to the Capital.
[5:41] Speaker 3: Wait.
[5:42] Speaker 1: And I had an Obama incident where I was running
[5:44] Speaker 1: trying to get some papers to the floor of the
[5:46] Speaker 1: Senate and he was on the train and I was
[5:48] Speaker 1: like trying to get on there real quick, and I
[5:50] Speaker 1: saw him and I ran back.
[5:51] Speaker 2: He said come on. I was like you sure. He's like, yeah,
[5:53] Speaker 2: come on. I was like, thank you. Out of breath.
[5:56] Speaker 2: I was like, Lord.
[5:56] Speaker 1: But it reminded me of that where there's certain rules.
[5:59] Speaker 1: I was like, maybe that's just a thing. So one
[6:00] Speaker 1: morning we were walking everybody points out, Okay, that's where
[6:03] Speaker 1: his office is, this is where catering is.
[6:05] Speaker 2: I'm like okay.
[6:06] Speaker 1: And maybe a few weeks in we were walking past
[6:08] Speaker 1: each other on the side while you were coming and
[6:10] Speaker 1: going to set and I was going to get some coffee,
[6:12] Speaker 1: probably for someone at that point in time, and I
[6:15] Speaker 1: just said, just speak. That's how you were raised. You
[6:18] Speaker 1: don't walk past and acknowledge people when.
[6:20] Speaker 2: You see him. So I just said good morning, and you.
[6:22] Speaker 1: Smoke back, and I was like, it was like a movie.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Like if somebody had like a camera, it would have been
[6:27] Speaker 1: so funny to see my reaction. Like he smoke back,
[6:29] Speaker 1: and I was like, it was complete opposite of what
[6:31] Speaker 1: everybody said.
[6:33] Speaker 3: I know it, And that's why I wanted to, like
[6:34] Speaker 3: in the beginning, That's why I forced people to say
[6:37] Speaker 3: hi now because I'm walking, I'm like, hey, how you
[6:39] Speaker 3: doing all right? Because because I'm if somebody's still telling
[6:43] Speaker 3: you all that that's not so because it does not
[6:44] Speaker 3: check in. I want to know how people are doing it.
[6:46] Speaker 3: I was. I was stopping the hallway and talk and
[6:48] Speaker 3: see you know, how's your mom? How things are you? Will?
[6:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, complete opposite of what I was told, And I
[6:53] Speaker 1: just I love it.
[6:54] Speaker 2: It was a complete opposite.
[6:56] Speaker 3: I'm just thinking Capitol Hill to hear, Okay, go ahead,
[7:01] Speaker 3: It's not lost on me. Go ahead.
[7:04] Speaker 1: And then I worked my way up and a lot
[7:06] Speaker 1: of people are always like, how did you and Tala
[7:08] Speaker 1: become so close?
[7:09] Speaker 2: How did you even start working for him? How that
[7:11] Speaker 2: even happen?
[7:12] Speaker 1: And do you remember when we were doing Soul Cycle
[7:14] Speaker 1: at Greenbrier, Yes, and I came up to you and
[7:17] Speaker 1: said we need more money for the costumers. Yes, And
[7:20] Speaker 1: I was so scared because we hadn't really it was
[7:23] Speaker 1: always just good morning, sir, keep it moving, and something
[7:26] Speaker 1: was like just tell him because he has no idea,
[7:29] Speaker 1: and you I'm talking about within hours, Accounting was up
[7:32] Speaker 1: in that department figuring out how we can get more money,
[7:34] Speaker 1: to get more people, how to help us because the
[7:36] Speaker 1: way we shoot, we needed some good, good help.
[7:39] Speaker 2: And you were like literally, you were like, well make
[7:41] Speaker 2: it happen.
[7:42] Speaker 3: Because these are the thing that people forget. I can't
[7:46] Speaker 3: see everything, I can't be everywhere, so it takes somebody
[7:50] Speaker 3: bold enough to say, hey, you working, we're all working
[7:54] Speaker 3: by side, we're working really really fast. We need the
[7:56] Speaker 3: help yea. And not everybody would do that, and there'll
[7:59] Speaker 3: be people in departments who are suffering, who are shorthanded
[8:02] Speaker 3: because accounting saying nord, this other person saying no, nobody's
[8:05] Speaker 3: told me. Yep.
[8:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I was.
[8:08] Speaker 3: I was. I was glad you said it.
[8:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, you made me feel very comfortable. I was like okay,
[8:11] Speaker 1: and I don't sometimes like Chris, why you didn't say
[8:13] Speaker 1: nothing like yeah, I just sat back. But that was
[8:17] Speaker 1: the thing where I was like, I need to talk
[8:18] Speaker 1: to him, but I was so scared. And that was
[8:20] Speaker 1: just another instance where you literally was like so.
[8:22] Speaker 2: Cool, Like if people look at you because you're six six,
[8:24] Speaker 2: you're like this giant is like oh gosh, Like how
[8:26] Speaker 2: do I even approach this man like you approach everybody.
[8:31] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[8:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was just another testament to like how
[8:34] Speaker 1: you just make things happen, and you're like very.
[8:36] Speaker 3: When people make me aware of it. Yeah, because this
[8:38] Speaker 3: is really important to me. Working that hard. That's why
[8:40] Speaker 3: so many people love working at the studio because it's
[8:43] Speaker 3: a we move we do, but we are still together.
[8:47] Speaker 3: I'm right there with them, side by side in the trenches.
[8:50] Speaker 3: So it makes it all just we see everybody pushing
[8:53] Speaker 3: in the same direction. Yeah, that's why we've been able
[8:55] Speaker 3: to do what we do.
[8:56] Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it starts with you because I remember, even
[8:58] Speaker 1: as a PA, just coming on a set sometimes and
[9:01] Speaker 1: we're all exhausted, everyone's working these hours, and you're right
[9:04] Speaker 1: there with us from sun up to sundown, and it's.
[9:07] Speaker 2: Like this man, ain't got to do this at all.
[9:09] Speaker 2: You can literally be on your island or in one
[9:11] Speaker 2: of your properties somewhere.
[9:13] Speaker 3: Nope, I don't have to be here literally, but I
[9:16] Speaker 3: love it.
[9:16] Speaker 1: It's inspiring though, because it made me go harder. And
[9:19] Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, if I see this man who's
[9:21] Speaker 1: already made, it doesn't have to do this worth is hard.
[9:24] Speaker 2: I really gotta go hard. And it just inspired me.
[9:27] Speaker 3: And you did I did started working for me and
[9:31] Speaker 3: Chrystal running behind me with my shoes going on GMA.
[9:35] Speaker 3: We hear some of these schedules, sees if you we
[9:38] Speaker 3: should show them some of the schedules have to do.
[9:40] Speaker 3: It was. It was insane when I'm promoting a movie
[9:43] Speaker 3: or something and there you are. We're up up, going
[9:45] Speaker 3: to bed at three, up up at five point thirty
[9:48] Speaker 3: getting things ready.
[9:49] Speaker 2: And you got big feet too, so the shoes was heavy.
[9:52] Speaker 3: But but you know the thing, the thing about it, though,
[9:54] Speaker 3: that really moved me, is just how much you honored
[9:59] Speaker 3: the job and what you were supposed to do. That
[10:02] Speaker 3: to me spoke volumes, because anybody who comes in and
[10:04] Speaker 3: just you know that their passion is what they're doing.
[10:08] Speaker 3: I didn't even know you had another dream.
[10:09] Speaker 2: No you didn't.
[10:11] Speaker 3: I had no idea, you had no dream. Tell them
[10:13] Speaker 3: about the audition.
[10:14] Speaker 1: I had auditioned for a role on If Loving You
[10:18] Speaker 1: is wrong, and then also for Erica on having have nots.
[10:21] Speaker 1: Actually it was Darcy on if Loving You is wrong?
[10:24] Speaker 1: And Erica, who played she was one of the young
[10:28] Speaker 1: ladies on having have nots.
[10:29] Speaker 2: Auditioned for those, didn't get any of them.
[10:32] Speaker 3: You are working with me every day holding my clothes,
[10:36] Speaker 3: went through the proper channels to audition and didn't get
[10:39] Speaker 3: the role.
[10:40] Speaker 1: And when you asked me to stoll you, because that
[10:42] Speaker 1: was when I was just like working in costumes Tyler.
[10:44] Speaker 2: I would literally we would be ingerenbriar. My agent would
[10:47] Speaker 2: send me an audition.
[10:48] Speaker 1: I would run upstairs, find something in the back back
[10:51] Speaker 1: when we used to that big warehouse behind the costume
[10:54] Speaker 1: department upstairs. I would find something that fit that character,
[10:57] Speaker 1: change into it, run downstairs, tape it, run and give lunch,
[11:00] Speaker 1: Run upstairs, change back, go back to work. Literally try
[11:04] Speaker 1: like grinding, trying to figure it out, even auditioning for
[11:07] Speaker 1: stuff for you. And once you asked me to be
[11:10] Speaker 1: your stylist, I was like this, man, don't think I
[11:12] Speaker 1: can act.
[11:14] Speaker 3: And I had no idea.
[11:14] Speaker 2: You had no idea out there was wasting a way
[11:17] Speaker 2: of saying you can't do this. But I got something.
[11:20] Speaker 3: But come hold my shoes.
[11:22] Speaker 2: Let me tell you the world.
[11:24] Speaker 3: No, no, no, but I didn't. I had no idea
[11:28] Speaker 3: because nobody ever told me. And I don't know why
[11:31] Speaker 3: nobody told me that you are auditioning. That's crazy until
[11:35] Speaker 3: Sisters when you again, because she speak to anybody watching
[11:39] Speaker 3: about having the boldness to speak up, like the boldness
[11:42] Speaker 3: that cause started us talking what you saying we needed help.
[11:45] Speaker 3: The boldness of you actually getting the role of a
[11:48] Speaker 3: team that started with you saying I really would like
[11:51] Speaker 3: to try to do this. Yeah. I'm like, oh, okay,
[11:55] Speaker 3: first time I'm hearried and I'm thinking, and I remember
[11:58] Speaker 3: what I told you.
[11:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna give you anything. It's gonna
[12:01] Speaker 1: be small. And what you do with it is yep.
[12:03] Speaker 3: If I give to you, better kill it.
[12:05] Speaker 2: You better kill it. And I was like, I will
[12:07] Speaker 2: not let you down.
[12:08] Speaker 3: And the first day I remember you shooting in a
[12:11] Speaker 3: blue dress on Sisters, and I remember all of it
[12:13] Speaker 3: was it blue and black, But all I remember is
[12:15] Speaker 3: all of the crew coming wrobe just to support you.
[12:20] Speaker 2: Yes, it was so beautiful.
[12:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's that tells the world the kind of
[12:23] Speaker 3: person you are. All your think think coming to your
[12:26] Speaker 3: damn co worker's gonna go to support you or something.
[12:28] Speaker 3: All your coworkers came down and when you finished that scene,
[12:30] Speaker 3: they were all applauded, yelling.
[12:32] Speaker 2: We all jumped on. It was I haven't actually had
[12:34] Speaker 2: footage that still on my phone.
[12:35] Speaker 3: Oh you should put that in there ready, Crystal.
[12:38] Speaker 2: This is my costume designer who wants to be an.
[12:41] Speaker 1: Actress and she just got cast it for her first
[12:44] Speaker 1: row at Tyler Perry Studios where dreams come true.
[12:50] Speaker 3: Action.
[12:54] Speaker 2: Smarts like to see you and.
[12:57] Speaker 1: You said to bring the things.
[13:22] Speaker 3: All right, all right, But what's beautiful about it is
[13:26] Speaker 3: I sat in the corner going hm hm oh no, no, no,
[13:30] Speaker 3: that's something else. That's not just talent. That's not just acting,
[13:34] Speaker 3: that's not that's something else. That's something that is anointed,
[13:37] Speaker 3: that is special, that is called for that particular purpose.
[13:41] Speaker 3: And I'm always looking for that. So when I saw it,
[13:43] Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I see same way with Cassie
[13:46] Speaker 3: in the van. We're on tour and I'm in the
[13:49] Speaker 3: Medea castule. Maybe go on stage and uh. I looked
[13:53] Speaker 3: at them sitting over the corner, I said, I'm gonna
[13:56] Speaker 3: do a sitcom with you two Wow, we're gonna do
[13:58] Speaker 3: House of Paint. I gotta go hell Her Walk. Yeah,
[14:01] Speaker 3: and we did.
[14:04] Speaker 2: All these years later, it's still going, yeah, oh my
[14:06] Speaker 2: show does that.
[14:08] Speaker 3: I totally one hundred percent believe it will. And whatever
[14:12] Speaker 3: it is, if it doesn't, you're going to be in abundance.
[14:15] Speaker 3: Won't he do it?
[14:16] Speaker 2: Will?
[14:19] Speaker 1: I loved that, And even when I called you that
[14:21] Speaker 1: day I had, I was still styling you to ask
[14:24] Speaker 1: you about just to let you know this is what
[14:26] Speaker 1: I wanted to do, just to speak to who you
[14:29] Speaker 1: are as a friend. You were backstage getting ready to
[14:32] Speaker 1: go on to do your farewell tour.
[14:33] Speaker 2: I thought you had the day off because it was.
[14:35] Speaker 1: So many days that the calendar was really small, so
[14:37] Speaker 1: I was like, okay, he off to day. So I
[14:39] Speaker 1: called you and thinking you were off, and you weren't.
[14:41] Speaker 1: You literally adswer the phone and I was like, Hey,
[14:43] Speaker 1: what are you doing And you're like, I'll just sitting
[14:45] Speaker 1: backstage waiting to go. And I was like, oh, well,
[14:46] Speaker 1: I'll call you back and you're like, no, what's up?
[14:48] Speaker 1: And I was like to like, you don't know this,
[14:50] Speaker 1: but I'm reading the scripts and it's literally the stories
[14:53] Speaker 1: are just jumping off the pages, and I was like,
[14:56] Speaker 1: I really want to give this a shot, and you
[14:57] Speaker 1: were like, I love this idea.
[14:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, let me call you.
[14:59] Speaker 3: That done exactly because I got to walk on stage. Yeah.
[15:04] Speaker 1: But the fact that you took the call, you know
[15:06] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, that's just type of friend
[15:08] Speaker 1: you are. Because some people like I caught them back,
[15:10] Speaker 1: you know. But as busy as you are, as busy
[15:12] Speaker 1: as you are even when you're working, you still make
[15:14] Speaker 1: time for your people.
[15:15] Speaker 2: Of course, I just want people to know that that's
[15:17] Speaker 2: who you are, okay.
[15:18] Speaker 1: Because that's like that a lot of people think that
[15:20] Speaker 1: you just as even they don't know you on a
[15:22] Speaker 1: personal level. They just see this huge, giant man who
[15:25] Speaker 1: just does so many great things and it's so talented.
[15:28] Speaker 1: But like on a real personal note, you are really
[15:30] Speaker 1: that you're available to your people, and I.
[15:33] Speaker 2: Love you for that.
[15:33] Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I love you too, Chris. Thank you
[15:36] Speaker 3: as peoples. Because people always look at where you are.
[15:38] Speaker 3: They look at the top, they're like, oh, wow, look
[15:40] Speaker 3: up there, look up there. They don't look at all
[15:42] Speaker 3: the steps that it took to get there. How the bottom.
[15:45] Speaker 3: All they say is, wow, you're all the way up there,
[15:47] Speaker 3: no look at all of that. That's the journey.
[15:49] Speaker 2: It is a journey. Yeah, yeah, Wow.
[15:53] Speaker 1: Was there any time in your life like as you
[15:56] Speaker 1: continue to climb that you're like whoa like I know
[16:00] Speaker 1: even where you are now a billionaire like established, new studio,
[16:04] Speaker 1: still expanding.
[16:05] Speaker 2: Have you have the biggest studio right now?
[16:07] Speaker 1: Bigger than I feel like it's in the United States period?
[16:10] Speaker 2: You have yours mask?
[16:12] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[16:12] Speaker 2: Mask? Yeah. So is there any time as.
[16:15] Speaker 3: You're maybe pue maybe bigger but go ahead you.
[16:18] Speaker 1: Is there any time where you hit moments where you're
[16:20] Speaker 1: like ooh, like God cannot go higher because you have
[16:24] Speaker 1: a book hire as waiting.
[16:25] Speaker 2: But do you ever even doubt yourself?
[16:27] Speaker 3: Like no, at fifty three, I've had enough experiences to
[16:32] Speaker 3: know that that I have to surrender. When I did
[16:39] Speaker 3: my uh, when I bought my first studio, I thought, okay,
[16:44] Speaker 3: this is it. It's great. I'm not building a studio.
[16:46] Speaker 3: I got it's paid for it. You know. Outgrew it. Yeah,
[16:50] Speaker 3: next studio, same thing, yep, outgrew it in no time.
[16:55] Speaker 3: That Greenbrier I thought it'd be there forever. Outgrew that thing.
[16:58] Speaker 3: We were on top of each other in that building
[17:00] Speaker 3: and but but what I learned is that every time
[17:02] Speaker 3: I was supposed to move to the next level, and
[17:04] Speaker 3: I didn't because I was comfortable, because I didn't want
[17:07] Speaker 3: to pay more, I didn't want to grow. I thought
[17:10] Speaker 3: I was where I wanted to be. Everything in my
[17:13] Speaker 3: life got uncomfortable until I moved. So I completely all right.
[17:19] Speaker 2: Over there, everybody all right?
[17:21] Speaker 3: So I completely I completely learned the hard way. Like
[17:27] Speaker 3: just case in point Crock Street Market right now, which
[17:30] Speaker 3: was my first big, bigger studio on Crock Street. I was,
[17:36] Speaker 3: I was hired. I'd hired these bootleg carpenters to come
[17:40] Speaker 3: in and fix it up and all this other stuff,
[17:42] Speaker 3: and I was, I was, I'm like, good, I got
[17:45] Speaker 3: this building, I paid for it. This is where I'm
[17:48] Speaker 3: make my studio. That thing wasn't even as big as
[17:50] Speaker 3: the stage one is, right right, So so I'm there
[17:54] Speaker 3: trying to force it and ended up on the news
[17:57] Speaker 3: Monica Kaufman Richard Belcher talking about telling through dudes. Tyler
[18:01] Speaker 3: Perry's building a whole studio with our permits, I'll tell you.
[18:06] Speaker 3: So I was just like, I was so devastated because
[18:08] Speaker 3: I'd hired this guy to do job then, but the
[18:10] Speaker 3: message came to me very clear. You're too big to
[18:12] Speaker 3: do it wrong. Oh too big to do it wrong.
[18:15] Speaker 3: You gotta do it right, got to do it right.
[18:17] Speaker 3: I was still still pushing for try to make it work.
[18:21] Speaker 3: The neighbors started complaining every we didn't have enough parket.
[18:24] Speaker 3: It was only parking for maybe eighty cars. And I
[18:27] Speaker 3: was mad and I didn't want to go. And so
[18:29] Speaker 3: when my Lloyd called me and told me about Green Bride,
[18:31] Speaker 3: went over there, and you know, I was like, I
[18:33] Speaker 3: don't want to build here and went laid down, couldn't sleep,
[18:37] Speaker 3: went over there late at night and I was praying
[18:39] Speaker 3: about it. Look and I looked closely at the gates,
[18:42] Speaker 3: and there was because it's all padded, locked and chained up,
[18:45] Speaker 3: and the gates had Bible scriptures on it, and the
[18:47] Speaker 3: Song's notety one of my favorite scripture was on the gate.
[18:50] Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, God, I get it. So
[18:53] Speaker 3: I bought it. Thought I would not grow it, but
[18:55] Speaker 3: I did. But but right after that, out growing it,
[19:00] Speaker 3: here comes this offer for Fort McPherson. You know, I
[19:03] Speaker 3: told I called the mayor and said I'm leaving. I'm
[19:06] Speaker 3: going to move to Douglasville. He said no, no, no, I
[19:08] Speaker 3: want you to come see Fort McPherson. When I walked
[19:10] Speaker 3: into Fort McPherson, the first thing I thought was, oh,
[19:14] Speaker 3: I'm supposed to do this.
[19:16] Speaker 1: Wow.
[19:16] Speaker 3: It wasn't. It wasn't where I had been before with
[19:19] Speaker 3: the thought of, oh gosh, let me just get paid
[19:22] Speaker 3: for this is I had to learn to be open
[19:25] Speaker 3: to where I was going and build for where I
[19:28] Speaker 3: was going, rather than living and being closed and staying
[19:31] Speaker 3: where I was right so understanding that through some hard trials,
[19:37] Speaker 3: I learned to just surrender when it shows up.
[19:39] Speaker 1: Wow, I want to touch on something that you've held
[19:42] Speaker 1: me in my personal life when it comes to going higher, when.
[19:47] Speaker 3: You've been told by men.
[19:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, because we talked about relationships, yes.
[19:56] Speaker 1: But it was in my living. It was we were shooting,
[20:01] Speaker 1: I want to say, madea maybe Halloween, the second one
[20:05] Speaker 1: one of the movies, and that's when I was still
[20:06] Speaker 1: styling you. We're in the bathroom changing media's wardrobe and
[20:10] Speaker 1: you were like, where are you living? And I said, oh,
[20:13] Speaker 1: I'm rinting a townhouse and you're like, okay, You're like
[20:16] Speaker 1: you are on it and I said no, and he goes,
[20:18] Speaker 1: you need to go buy a house. And I was like, well, sir,
[20:21] Speaker 1: the way we work. I was like, we work and
[20:22] Speaker 1: then we save our money to live when we're not working.
[20:25] Speaker 1: It's hard to save when you're just like living. You know,
[20:27] Speaker 1: I'm saying basically living paycheck to paycheck. And you were.
[20:31] Speaker 2: Like, okay, well how much is the house?
[20:33] Speaker 1: And I was like, well, the ones I'm looking at
[20:35] Speaker 1: like we'd be like two fifty three hundred thousand.
[20:38] Speaker 2: And you're like, well, how much the damn payment.
[20:40] Speaker 1: I was like like, if you put ten percent down,
[20:43] Speaker 1: you may do like fifteen thousands between twenty and fifteen thousand.
[20:46] Speaker 2: And you're like, okays, the way you waiting on, I said, well,
[20:49] Speaker 2: you like, go get your house.
[20:51] Speaker 1: And it was in that moment I was like, good lord,
[20:55] Speaker 1: what a boss.
[20:56] Speaker 2: Go get your house.
[20:57] Speaker 1: So I got that house and I came back to
[20:58] Speaker 1: it set of By then we were shooting having having
[21:01] Speaker 1: its because we moved on to the next project. You're like, christ,
[21:04] Speaker 1: she got her house. He was like, I give you
[21:06] Speaker 1: four years. You'll be in a mansion within four years.
[21:10] Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember saying that. We were
[21:12] Speaker 1: all said, you called me, and you like, it's time
[21:15] Speaker 1: to get out a little apartment he called.
[21:17] Speaker 2: House an apartment. Yeah, a four bedroom threven have that.
[21:20] Speaker 3: It's beautiful. It was beautiful. But I knew again in
[21:24] Speaker 3: my life what I learned and what I understood was
[21:27] Speaker 3: be open when it shows up. That's not arrogance, that's
[21:30] Speaker 3: not anything. There's so many people who I know I've
[21:33] Speaker 3: met in this lifetime being having been very poor and
[21:37] Speaker 3: now doing very well, who on that side of it
[21:39] Speaker 3: they never apologized for We as black people, constantly apologize
[21:44] Speaker 3: when we have something good, Like you talked about that
[21:45] Speaker 3: lady who talked about stop showing off. You should be,
[21:47] Speaker 3: you should be. See, that's somebody who don't even understand
[21:50] Speaker 3: that it's based on the experiences of what we have
[21:56] Speaker 3: done as black people in this country, the things I did.
[22:02] Speaker 3: Our success has already been bought and paid for. If
[22:06] Speaker 3: we could get our mentality around what that means, Yes,
[22:10] Speaker 3: you wouldn't walk around apologizing for it.
[22:12] Speaker 2: I know that's right, And you taught me to live unapologetically.
[22:16] Speaker 3: Yes, it's okay, yep.
[22:17] Speaker 1: And even when I was living in a scarcity mindset,
[22:20] Speaker 1: You like Chris, I know, you feel like you just
[22:22] Speaker 1: got through the door or just one foot You're like
[22:24] Speaker 1: you're in the door. You're right, You're all right, go
[22:26] Speaker 1: get what you want. I was like, well, I don't
[22:27] Speaker 1: know if I can like stop living like that because
[22:30] Speaker 1: you said that you would go buy what you could afford, like,
[22:32] Speaker 1: I know, I can handle this. And then you're in
[22:34] Speaker 1: there for two years and you're like, I should have
[22:36] Speaker 1: just got what I wanted because God continued to multiply,
[22:39] Speaker 1: multiply and be like, I could have just got what
[22:41] Speaker 1: I want.
[22:41] Speaker 3: I want. Yes, And many times in my life I've
[22:44] Speaker 3: been in a situation why did I buy this? Why
[22:46] Speaker 3: am I Why ain't about this? I didn't when that's
[22:49] Speaker 3: right there?
[22:49] Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, So you you helped me to one
[22:53] Speaker 1: dream bigger, to open my lens and be like, okay,
[22:56] Speaker 1: I can do this. And every time I go higher,
[22:59] Speaker 1: my wife just makes room.
[23:01] Speaker 2: It makes room.
[23:01] Speaker 1: My ideas get bigger the money it comes, and it's
[23:05] Speaker 1: never like a oh God, how about to take care
[23:07] Speaker 1: of it?
[23:07] Speaker 3: There you go, and then you realize, after four years ago, man,
[23:11] Speaker 3: I just breezed through that I wasn't even that wasn't
[23:14] Speaker 3: even a stretch because your mind became open to the
[23:18] Speaker 3: possibility of what it could be.
[23:20] Speaker 2: Yes, yeah it is. But that also comes with exposure.
[23:24] Speaker 1: I'm a young girl from Martin, Tennessee, population ten thousand,
[23:27] Speaker 1: people like super small, and you have one. I remember
[23:32] Speaker 1: the first time you invite me to the island and
[23:35] Speaker 1: I was sitting at the table with everybody and I
[23:36] Speaker 1: don't know if you can feel the timidness, and you
[23:39] Speaker 1: were like, if you're at this table, it's.
[23:41] Speaker 2: Because you belong.
[23:42] Speaker 1: And I remember one morning just walking around, just touching
[23:45] Speaker 1: the leaves. I'd never seen an island.
[23:47] Speaker 2: A private island, a private alum. I've been on an
[23:49] Speaker 2: island and not an island.
[23:50] Speaker 1: Like that, And I was like, this man, this is
[23:52] Speaker 1: his own island, Like just what, I don't even need
[23:55] Speaker 1: all this, Like this is possible. Then that's exposure, you
[23:58] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Just knowing that I know somebody
[24:00] Speaker 1: who has done it, this is something I can do
[24:02] Speaker 1: as well. And the places you've taken me, we traveled
[24:05] Speaker 1: the world together, has opened my eyes to so much
[24:08] Speaker 1: where a lot of people aren't privy to sing thinking.
[24:12] Speaker 3: About a couple of things traveling the world. But let
[24:15] Speaker 3: me just say this and then I'll go to the
[24:16] Speaker 3: traveling world. Oprah. Oprah did that for me when I
[24:19] Speaker 3: first went to her house. She did that for me.
[24:21] Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, this is possible. You can actually
[24:24] Speaker 3: dream and be and I'll never forget. I'm on video
[24:27] Speaker 3: saying this. I'm probably thirty five. At the thirty six,
[24:30] Speaker 3: my first movie had just come out, and I was
[24:32] Speaker 3: just like, oh, I could have this. It took all
[24:36] Speaker 3: of the reins and blinders off, and I was just like, Okay, God,
[24:39] Speaker 3: what you got. Yeah, Well, I'm gonna do the best
[24:42] Speaker 3: I can to honor it. I'm gonna be good to people.
[24:44] Speaker 3: I'm gonna everybody comes in my life, I'm gonna make
[24:46] Speaker 3: sure that they are touched and affected in a beautiful way,
[24:50] Speaker 3: that their lives are changed, that they're really see and dream.
[24:54] Speaker 3: Everything you show me got, I'm gonna try to pass
[24:56] Speaker 3: it on to somebody else and everybody who can get it,
[24:58] Speaker 3: I'll take it right. So that's the feeling I want
[25:02] Speaker 3: the people around me to have. That's the feeling I
[25:04] Speaker 3: want the people at the studio to have, because at
[25:07] Speaker 3: this point was what else is? What else is there
[25:10] Speaker 3: to do?
[25:11] Speaker 2: Exactly exactly? That's so good.
[25:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, they're traveling the world, just like she don't like roaches.
[25:18] Speaker 3: So so we we were in really nice. So do
[25:24] Speaker 3: y'all know them beautiful places over the water A little bugo.
[25:28] Speaker 2: It was nice.
[25:30] Speaker 3: If you walk in the hotel that's very expensive and
[25:32] Speaker 3: there's roach spray in the closet, something something up.
[25:35] Speaker 2: So I didn't catch that.
[25:37] Speaker 3: I didn't read. I didn't read that road spray because
[25:40] Speaker 3: the place is beautiful, the glass bottom of look. I
[25:42] Speaker 3: was like, okay, I'm about Crystal doing in her room screams.
[25:50] Speaker 2: I do not do roaches. I was like, they're like
[25:52] Speaker 2: the people came in the room, that manager and he
[25:54] Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'm talking about it was a big roach.
[25:58] Speaker 2: He was like, oh, this is a water bug.
[26:00] Speaker 3: That's we from the south, and we get on his head.
[26:05] Speaker 3: That's a cock throat. Y'all got to get that thing.
[26:08] Speaker 2: Y'all came in there moving furniture for me. Y'all in here,
[26:12] Speaker 2: turn the arrow.
[26:13] Speaker 3: Turn the arrow, yeah, yep. Or any time I said beyond,
[26:17] Speaker 3: she was ready to go.
[26:18] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
[26:19] Speaker 1: The first time you saw me, I was in Miami, guys,
[26:22] Speaker 1: I'm on a vacation. I always I like to travel
[26:25] Speaker 1: by myself sometimes and then my girls to come meet
[26:27] Speaker 1: me after I've had my me time. And so it
[26:30] Speaker 1: was before my girls landed and I had unpacked. I
[26:34] Speaker 1: was staying in Miami for a while. I had unpacked
[26:35] Speaker 1: my clothes and I never do that. I never unpack
[26:37] Speaker 1: and hang things up. I just live out the suitcase.
[26:40] Speaker 1: This particular trip, I had unpacked. I get a call
[26:43] Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, I need you to pack some
[26:46] Speaker 1: things for me. I've got to go to Copenhagen. And
[26:48] Speaker 1: I was like okay, and he was I said, okay,
[26:51] Speaker 1: I'll get some things done. So I had called our money.
[26:52] Speaker 1: I was like, hair money, can you face on me?
[26:54] Speaker 1: So I can you can help me this come out
[26:55] Speaker 1: in town? And then I get another call and you
[26:58] Speaker 1: were like.
[26:58] Speaker 2: Well, I need you to pack your too, because we're
[27:00] Speaker 2: going to see Beyonce. Y'all. I ain't never packed. I
[27:05] Speaker 2: ain't never got to the airport that fast.
[27:08] Speaker 3: I called you, caught you back. I called you back
[27:12] Speaker 3: because I knew you had friends, I knew you had packed.
[27:14] Speaker 3: I called you back. I say, so you think you're
[27:16] Speaker 3: gonna you're going I'm at the airport.
[27:19] Speaker 2: I'm going through back on me away.
[27:24] Speaker 1: And that was the most amazing experience. We flew on
[27:28] Speaker 1: your jet to covien Haagen. I got to meet Beyonce
[27:31] Speaker 1: for the first time, y'all, like, do we need a
[27:33] Speaker 1: land to pass?
[27:33] Speaker 2: She gonna faint?
[27:34] Speaker 1: What's gonna happen? Oh my goodness, And that was just
[27:38] Speaker 1: that was crazy. Thank you for the many experiences, but
[27:42] Speaker 1: that was that when it started.
[27:43] Speaker 3: Exposure. Exposure, that's what I that's what I completely love
[27:47] Speaker 3: and hope that more of us have, you know, And
[27:50] Speaker 3: it doesn't take you don't have to travel the world
[27:52] Speaker 3: to to You could just get out of your neighborhood,
[27:55] Speaker 3: go to other neighborhoods see other things. Like when I
[27:57] Speaker 3: was struggling and broken my when he said, man, I
[28:00] Speaker 3: would I barely had nickel or anything to eat, but
[28:05] Speaker 3: I would go to an open house and in the
[28:08] Speaker 3: nicest neighborhoods, and I would drive test drive cars, just
[28:13] Speaker 3: not for the materialness of it, but just to know
[28:15] Speaker 3: it's possible, yes, right, And because in my neighborhood there
[28:18] Speaker 3: was there was the drug boys or the preachers that
[28:22] Speaker 3: were the only ones doing well.
[28:23] Speaker 2: Wow.
[28:23] Speaker 3: So I didn't see anybody else that you know, was
[28:27] Speaker 3: in the movie business or anything. I didn't see any
[28:31] Speaker 3: of that. So coming to Atlanta really opened my mind
[28:34] Speaker 3: up to the possibility of there are other things you
[28:36] Speaker 3: can be other than those two.
[28:37] Speaker 1: Absolutely, Wow, that's good. Something else that I have learned
[28:41] Speaker 1: from you is generosity. I've always just naturally just been
[28:45] Speaker 1: a nice person, speak to everybody.
[28:48] Speaker 2: But it was first it was Andy Norman, who we.
[28:51] Speaker 3: Love works at the right hand over there here.
[28:54] Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, love him.
[28:55] Speaker 1: And he called me one day he always goes to
[28:57] Speaker 1: church on Wednesdays, and he said that I don't know
[29:00] Speaker 1: why God put you on my spirit, but he told
[29:02] Speaker 1: me to tell you your living is in your giving.
[29:05] Speaker 1: He said, I don't know what this, why what it was?
[29:09] Speaker 1: And at this time I was I wasn't even costume designing.
[29:13] Speaker 1: I was just a costumer, so that you know, that's
[29:15] Speaker 1: just like, okay, what does that mean?
[29:17] Speaker 2: You know, He's like, your living is in your giving.
[29:19] Speaker 2: So we take a break.
[29:22] Speaker 1: I get a call from Ozzie, who was the president
[29:24] Speaker 1: at the time, and he goes, hey, t I want
[29:26] Speaker 1: me to call you to see if you be interested
[29:27] Speaker 1: in costume designing the next season it shows and I
[29:31] Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's that's a big in a big job,
[29:34] Speaker 1: Like I don't know if I'm ready for this, if
[29:36] Speaker 1: I'm prepared, And I ended up praying about it, and
[29:41] Speaker 1: I ended up taking the job. And when I walked
[29:43] Speaker 1: in for my first day and he was like, I
[29:45] Speaker 1: didn't know where you were going or what was about.
[29:47] Speaker 1: He said, but you're you're going like babe, you're going higher.
[29:50] Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, this is crazy, and he's like,
[29:52] Speaker 1: don't forget what I said. And he always reminded me
[29:54] Speaker 1: and I never forget that. But just being around you
[29:59] Speaker 1: and styling you for the years I styled you and
[30:01] Speaker 1: actually getting a close up look at how you run things,
[30:05] Speaker 1: the way you give silently. People don't even know the
[30:09] Speaker 1: half of the things you do because you can be
[30:10] Speaker 1: sitting in your livo and watch a TV like I
[30:13] Speaker 1: want to health itly and figure I find her I need.
[30:16] Speaker 1: I want to help her rebuild. Whatever you said, you
[30:19] Speaker 1: always bless people. And I remember it was during COVID
[30:23] Speaker 1: and you called me and you said, hey, I just
[30:24] Speaker 1: want to shake on you. Are you good because you
[30:26] Speaker 1: weren't working. You wanted to make sure I was.
[30:28] Speaker 2: I was okay. I said, no, you're taking good care
[30:31] Speaker 2: of me.
[30:31] Speaker 1: I'm good, And in turn I turned around and called
[30:36] Speaker 1: Herman remember what he had told us the story, and
[30:38] Speaker 1: it just that's I feel like when you're around somebody,
[30:41] Speaker 1: you're a caliber. Those are the things you need to
[30:43] Speaker 1: take from them, you know, Like learning how to like
[30:46] Speaker 1: that was a valuable thing for me. Like this man
[30:48] Speaker 1: will he just gives freely and with a cheerful heart.
[30:52] Speaker 1: And that was one of the things I was like,
[30:53] Speaker 1: when I'm in this position, like cause I would already
[30:55] Speaker 1: do already do it.
[30:56] Speaker 2: Like when we come back to work, I buy people
[30:58] Speaker 2: lunch because I knew they weren't had been worked for
[31:00] Speaker 2: a while, so I would do what I could do
[31:02] Speaker 2: that I couldn't buy a car.
[31:03] Speaker 3: That's the same. That's the same thing though giving. Giving
[31:06] Speaker 3: doesn't have a value when it comes from a pure place.
[31:09] Speaker 3: It could be ten billion dollars, it could be two pennies.
[31:12] Speaker 3: It doesn't have a value when it comes from purity.
[31:15] Speaker 3: Giving is about what it does for the other person exactly.
[31:18] Speaker 2: And I learned that from you.
[31:19] Speaker 1: So I just that's another thing, Like being around you.
[31:21] Speaker 1: I've learned so many things, just even how to carry
[31:24] Speaker 1: myself because a lot of times you don't know why
[31:26] Speaker 1: guy's putting you around someone. I had no idea why
[31:29] Speaker 1: you chose me, and why guy put it on your
[31:30] Speaker 1: heart to be like her. I want her to come
[31:33] Speaker 1: and help me with this, but in that it was
[31:35] Speaker 1: literally molding me to be able to sit in the
[31:38] Speaker 1: space I'm in now and to be able to carry it.
[31:41] Speaker 2: And you know what I'm saying, That's.
[31:42] Speaker 3: Why I tell everyone who is around somebody who they
[31:46] Speaker 3: are wondering, Like I was around people like Oprah and
[31:50] Speaker 3: know TD Jake's and things, I'm like, why these people
[31:53] Speaker 3: are so amazing? How am I? What am I? What
[31:56] Speaker 3: is this about? But they were there to teach me something,
[31:59] Speaker 3: and I watched the grace of how they carried themselves.
[32:02] Speaker 3: I watched the compassion, and I watch how they treated
[32:05] Speaker 3: everybody around them. You know, all people want to do
[32:08] Speaker 3: is be seen and heard, right, So if you sometimes
[32:11] Speaker 3: that's all they need. And so when I'm helping someone,
[32:17] Speaker 3: and as you said, most of it's private because the
[32:20] Speaker 3: world don't need to know it, but there are moments
[32:23] Speaker 3: where people want to know it. And then there are
[32:25] Speaker 3: moments where I say, Okay, people should know this because
[32:28] Speaker 3: there's so much hell in the world right now, so
[32:30] Speaker 3: let's see see what how much good this can do. Yes, exactly,
[32:34] Speaker 3: But it's it's really really important to be able to
[32:38] Speaker 3: have what you have and have an open hand and
[32:41] Speaker 3: heart to help other people. Yes, I get that from
[32:43] Speaker 3: my mother. I mean I would wake up when I
[32:45] Speaker 3: was a kid and step out of the bed. I
[32:46] Speaker 3: would step on somebody on the floor, like who these people?
[32:49] Speaker 3: She's like, they needed a place to stay right, so
[32:53] Speaker 3: she would. She wouldn't give them no money, but she
[32:55] Speaker 3: would she would. You know, you couldn't get twenty dollars
[32:57] Speaker 3: out of my mother. But she would feed them, she
[32:59] Speaker 3: would clothe them. She she was just amazing.
[33:01] Speaker 2: I love that. I love that you talk about your mother.
[33:04] Speaker 2: I know this.
[33:05] Speaker 1: She's someone who was a dear, dear place in your heart.
[33:09] Speaker 1: And you talked about the dysfunction of your home growing up.
[33:12] Speaker 1: What was it with that little boy? Because you say
[33:15] Speaker 1: in your book Hire is Waiting you say that ever
[33:17] Speaker 1: since I was a little boy, I've known there was
[33:20] Speaker 1: something greater than myself, something bigger, something stronger, something higher.
[33:24] Speaker 1: I know for me as a kid living in Martin, Tennessee,
[33:27] Speaker 1: I didn't see anything that God had put in my mind.
[33:30] Speaker 1: I didn't see anything that even reflected that. I'm like,
[33:32] Speaker 1: so why do I feel like I can I only
[33:34] Speaker 1: saw it on TV?
[33:35] Speaker 2: What was it?
[33:36] Speaker 1: That little boy living in New Orleans. It was like,
[33:39] Speaker 1: it's something bigger for me than this.
[33:41] Speaker 3: That was That was the most frustrating part of my
[33:43] Speaker 3: life and career is having all of that vision inside
[33:46] Speaker 3: of me and did not sing a path, not seeing
[33:49] Speaker 3: anybody else who had done it, not seen anybody around.
[33:51] Speaker 3: I was just like, how is this even possible for
[33:55] Speaker 3: me to obtain this? But for me, my mother took
[33:58] Speaker 3: me to church all the time, so I I just
[34:03] Speaker 3: would hear my uncle preaching about you know, if you pray,
[34:05] Speaker 3: God will answer your prayers. And I just believed from
[34:08] Speaker 3: a little boy that God was answering my prayers, especially
[34:10] Speaker 3: when I got these. I thought that the television floor
[34:15] Speaker 3: mode of television. Y'all, y'all don't know what that I
[34:17] Speaker 3: do Flora on television. I thought that the people inside
[34:21] Speaker 3: on Gilligan's Island, the TV show, were inside the TV
[34:23] Speaker 3: and I wanted to go behind it and open it
[34:25] Speaker 3: up and find them. And my father would have killed
[34:28] Speaker 3: me though, so I prayed. I said, God, send me
[34:30] Speaker 3: some little people to take care of. And I'm leaving school.
[34:35] Speaker 3: I come home and there's a house, a bamboo house
[34:38] Speaker 3: on sitting on the porch lady across the street had left,
[34:40] Speaker 3: had moved away, and she asked my mother if I
[34:43] Speaker 3: could have her parakeets, pp and Pierre, and they spoke.
[34:47] Speaker 3: So as a little boy, I'm like, God heard my prayer.
[34:50] Speaker 2: I heard it.
[34:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, So from then on, from then on, it was like, Okay,
[34:55] Speaker 3: this prayer.
[34:55] Speaker 2: Thing works, it works. Prayer.
[34:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to get my coffee to get up
[35:03] Speaker 3: there right exactly right right right right right right right
[35:09] Speaker 3: right downs nice gowns or something.
[35:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[35:17] Speaker 1: I'd like to ask that question because a lot of
[35:18] Speaker 1: times when people see us where we are now, it's
[35:21] Speaker 1: like where did that start? So I definitely wanted to
[35:23] Speaker 1: touch on that.
[35:25] Speaker 3: You can't just say this about God. I know the
[35:28] Speaker 3: world is changing and people are getting away from so
[35:30] Speaker 3: many things, and it makes sense because because of what
[35:34] Speaker 3: church has become. But my whole hope is that if
[35:37] Speaker 3: people have a relationship with God and believing that, they
[35:41] Speaker 3: never ever equate that to something that man is, because
[35:45] Speaker 3: they will always let you down, preacher, pastor priests will
[35:49] Speaker 3: always let you down. They are not God. They're human.
[35:51] Speaker 3: They're allowed to be flawed, they're allowed to make mistakes business.
[35:55] Speaker 3: So I give them the grace of being human. Yes,
[35:59] Speaker 3: but when I need grace, I go to God, not
[36:02] Speaker 3: for them.
[36:02] Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely.
[36:04] Speaker 1: I literally just yesterday had this conversation with my brother Marquis,
[36:08] Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, I just church heard.
[36:10] Speaker 1: He was like, I just don't feel he said, I
[36:13] Speaker 1: just don't want to go through this again. And I
[36:15] Speaker 1: was like, I said, I literally told him, I said, Marquis,
[36:17] Speaker 1: I was like, the pastor is not God. I was like,
[36:19] Speaker 1: he's human just like we are. I said, you, we're
[36:22] Speaker 1: going to church to get close to God. If that
[36:24] Speaker 1: person is delivering the message the way you need it,
[36:26] Speaker 1: we have to give them grace in their personal life,
[36:28] Speaker 1: right Like, we can't judge.
[36:29] Speaker 3: That or that ain't ain't your business. If God sends
[36:34] Speaker 3: a message and you know when that message is yours
[36:37] Speaker 3: coming through that person, oh you know, God spoke to
[36:39] Speaker 3: you through that person, it's easy to start to see
[36:42] Speaker 3: the person as God and miss the spirit that came through. Yes, listen,
[36:46] Speaker 3: I've gotten messages from winos on the street that was like,
[36:49] Speaker 3: oh that was God just spoke to me.
[36:50] Speaker 2: Uh huh.
[36:51] Speaker 3: So I've learned to completely be when you when you
[36:54] Speaker 3: listen and you're open and you're here, you know you know,
[36:58] Speaker 3: because and what in my life if I praise something
[37:02] Speaker 3: and like I have friends who are praying for me,
[37:05] Speaker 3: your prophet like Andy will do you. God will send
[37:07] Speaker 3: somebody to confirm the exact prayer, the exact thought, the
[37:10] Speaker 3: exact thing I'm going through almost in the exact words.
[37:14] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, he keep talking to all in your business.
[37:23] Speaker 2: Right, so good, so good. So let's talk about something
[37:27] Speaker 2: that you and I talk about. My men, Oh lord,
[37:32] Speaker 2: I mean my man.
[37:33] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[37:33] Speaker 1: So for the longest, like you've seen me go through
[37:36] Speaker 1: different relationships and recently it was a night that we
[37:40] Speaker 1: all went to dinner after you moderated Michelle Obama's book
[37:43] Speaker 1: tour here in Atlanta, and you said, Crystal, you are
[37:47] Speaker 1: vibrating here.
[37:48] Speaker 2: Your man is here.
[37:49] Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, you're trying to tell me
[37:52] Speaker 1: I'm a low vibrational tyler.
[37:53] Speaker 2: What you're trying to say? And I was like, oh,
[37:55] Speaker 2: I had to think about that. I was like, wow, Like,
[37:57] Speaker 2: am I well you know what I'm saying. You were like,
[38:00] Speaker 2: you're here and he's up here. You gotta you gotta
[38:02] Speaker 2: go higher, get yeah yeah, And I was like, wow,
[38:06] Speaker 2: that's crazy.
[38:07] Speaker 3: I was probably had a gummy that night. So I
[38:09] Speaker 3: was I give super spiritual when I'm on the gummies.
[38:12] Speaker 3: But that sounds good, Okay, go ahead.
[38:14] Speaker 2: It was really good.
[38:15] Speaker 3: Just five milligrams a week. That's all I could do.
[38:19] Speaker 3: You know, if I try anything else, I'd be like, no, no, y'all,
[38:21] Speaker 3: come get me going to the hospital. Five miligran Yeah,
[38:27] Speaker 3: but understanding. Yeah. And and having people meet you at
[38:30] Speaker 3: your work.
[38:31] Speaker 2: That's what I was.
[38:31] Speaker 1: Yes when you said that we were one of our
[38:34] Speaker 1: many nights at your Island Dollar in the King's Landing
[38:38] Speaker 1: room at the table you said you just hit you. You
[38:41] Speaker 1: probably was on the gummy there too. You was like,
[38:44] Speaker 1: meet me at my word and.
[38:45] Speaker 2: We were all like, wow, that's it. Yeah, that's it.
[38:49] Speaker 3: And and and anybody who can't do that, that doesn't
[38:52] Speaker 3: mean they're not worthy of you. That means that they
[38:54] Speaker 3: need to eat the attempt try learn find out enough
[38:58] Speaker 3: about you to be to figure out what that is.
[39:01] Speaker 3: And that's not money because because you listen, a lot
[39:05] Speaker 3: of women, especially black women, and I might get in
[39:07] Speaker 3: trouble for saying this, but I will. In our society
[39:13] Speaker 3: right now, black women are making a lot more money
[39:17] Speaker 3: for the most part than black men. Right there are
[39:19] Speaker 3: a lot of black men who are successful, but for
[39:20] Speaker 3: the most part, black women are making the money. So
[39:22] Speaker 3: you if you can find love, if that man works,
[39:27] Speaker 3: you know, at whatever job and is a good man,
[39:31] Speaker 3: and it is good to you and honors and honors
[39:34] Speaker 3: the house and honor's white and does what he can
[39:37] Speaker 3: because his gift may not be your gift exactly. That
[39:41] Speaker 3: is okay. That's not somebody who's beneath you. That's somebody
[39:44] Speaker 3: who came to love you at your work, right, and
[39:47] Speaker 3: as long as he's secure in himself to know that, yep,
[39:50] Speaker 3: she makes most of the money. All I can pay
[39:52] Speaker 3: is the light bill. As long as she's comfortable enough
[39:54] Speaker 3: to say, I'm gonna cover the mortgage and all the
[39:56] Speaker 3: other stuff. You've had a light build, baby, you can
[39:58] Speaker 3: take me to dinner and every now and then, it
[40:00] Speaker 3: is fine. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, But that's so hard
[40:05] Speaker 3: for a lot of people to take in because that
[40:07] Speaker 3: means no, no, no, I need somebody to who is
[40:12] Speaker 3: I need?
[40:13] Speaker 4: They need to make five times more and I got
[40:15] Speaker 4: to have that. I got to have. Don't keep your list.
[40:19] Speaker 4: God bless you, hope it haven't. Don't keep your list.
[40:21] Speaker 4: But when you talk about just someone to love you
[40:24] Speaker 4: and support you. I know people who have who whose
[40:29] Speaker 4: men can't touch what they make. But when you see
[40:34] Speaker 4: them together, that love, that.
[40:36] Speaker 3: Support, that that I got you, babe, it's a beautiful thing.
[40:40] Speaker 2: It is, it is.
[40:41] Speaker 1: I remember I was having a conversation with you and
[40:43] Speaker 1: I was going, I can admit that I had fallen
[40:46] Speaker 1: under that, Like, Okay, I actually may have misunderstood what
[40:50] Speaker 1: meet me at my worth meant. I thought, meet me
[40:52] Speaker 1: at my work with meet me at my network network.
[40:55] Speaker 3: Right right now, not your network. May me at least
[40:58] Speaker 3: meet me at my network. Yeah. Yeah.
[41:01] Speaker 2: And I was talking to you.
[41:02] Speaker 1: I was like and Tyler, I was like, this is
[41:03] Speaker 1: this is this, and I've done this this, and You're
[41:05] Speaker 1: like wa wait wait wait wait stop. He was like,
[41:07] Speaker 1: don't make it about money. And this is when I
[41:11] Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh. It was like like it
[41:14] Speaker 1: just went off and I was like, I see what
[41:15] Speaker 1: you're saying. You were like, Chris sits do the same thing.
[41:17] Speaker 1: I would like, be doing all these things for someone
[41:19] Speaker 1: or people around me, and I'm like they're not doing
[41:22] Speaker 1: I'm not getting anything in return, you know. And we
[41:24] Speaker 1: fall into that sometimes. And you said, but then I
[41:27] Speaker 1: thought about it. They can't do for me the way
[41:29] Speaker 1: I do. It's just like they can't. You got when
[41:32] Speaker 1: you explained like that, if he is giving you all
[41:34] Speaker 1: these other things.
[41:36] Speaker 2: Then that's something you work with. And I did.
[41:39] Speaker 1: I literally completely misconstrued what meet me at my worth
[41:43] Speaker 1: end in that moment. But worth is more than that,
[41:46] Speaker 1: you know. And that's when I was like, Wow, this
[41:47] Speaker 1: is way deeper.
[41:49] Speaker 3: You got to remove the money from the situation because
[41:51] Speaker 3: it's just gonna cloud it. And then you have your
[41:54] Speaker 3: girlfriend and this friend saying he's doing this and he
[41:56] Speaker 3: ain't got that he did. You don't understand the love
[41:59] Speaker 3: that we have for each other. And that is what
[42:02] Speaker 3: is important. And I'm telling you there are some good
[42:05] Speaker 3: men who can't meet you at your net worth. Yeah yeah.
[42:09] Speaker 3: And if you can find a man who is secure
[42:13] Speaker 3: enough within himself to stand in that space, yeah yeah.
[42:18] Speaker 3: I tell you the story. Oprah tells the story about
[42:20] Speaker 3: her and stepmen. She was they were in Hawaii and
[42:23] Speaker 3: she was walking. This is years ago. She walked in
[42:26] Speaker 3: the store. He was behind her and no, I'll tell
[42:29] Speaker 3: you this story. This is because I was there for
[42:31] Speaker 3: this one. We were coming out of the color purple
[42:35] Speaker 3: premiere in New York and it's Tina Turner, Oprah and
[42:40] Speaker 3: me and Gail. We're all kid in the car and well, listen,
[42:44] Speaker 3: that's when I first knew. That's when I first knew
[42:46] Speaker 3: something had shifted. Wow, because Oprah walks out in the
[42:50] Speaker 3: screaming Oprah, Oprah, Oprah, Tina walks out of Tina, Tina.
[42:53] Speaker 3: I go out of here, tyl or I go o.
[42:56] Speaker 3: This was very early on. So they're pushing into the
[43:00] Speaker 3: limo and I've turned back and Steedman, the security is
[43:05] Speaker 3: pushing him out of the way, not letting him in.
[43:08] Speaker 1: Wow.
[43:09] Speaker 3: I watched him tap the man on the shoulder and
[43:11] Speaker 3: say hey. He goes, oh, oh, I'm sorry, mister Graham,
[43:14] Speaker 3: and he let him in the car. But do you
[43:16] Speaker 3: know when I saw that man, who's six foot six
[43:20] Speaker 3: in that situation, I went wow, look at the grace
[43:24] Speaker 3: and how he carried it. He didn't get a car
[43:26] Speaker 3: with the attitude. He wasn't mad. Which takes me back to
[43:29] Speaker 3: the store in Hawaii when when they were in the
[43:31] Speaker 3: store and everybody swarmed around Oprah. He was watching protectively,
[43:35] Speaker 3: and after she was she was leaving the store, the
[43:39] Speaker 3: store owner, older person said to her. Listen, I watched
[43:43] Speaker 3: that man, How he Loves You. I watched that man
[43:46] Speaker 3: how his ore is all around you, making sure you're
[43:48] Speaker 3: okay and safe. So so and stepman does well in life. Yeah,
[43:53] Speaker 3: but I don't know nobody doing well is.
[43:55] Speaker 2: Open hell, you know what I mean?
[43:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, So it can't be about the money. Can't be
[43:58] Speaker 3: about the money.
[43:59] Speaker 2: That was That was a good nugget that you gave.
[44:01] Speaker 1: Me recently, And I was like, wow, because you do
[44:03] Speaker 1: get caught up into what your girls are saying and what's.
[44:06] Speaker 3: Society because that's gonna but that's that's And if you
[44:08] Speaker 3: try to make it about the money, then it's always
[44:10] Speaker 3: going to be about the money, and the money is
[44:13] Speaker 3: you have to understand that when you start to make
[44:15] Speaker 3: money and do well, that becomes a part of the
[44:17] Speaker 3: perception of who you are, right And that's okay. Yeah,
[44:20] Speaker 3: that was the thing that bothered me about it only
[44:22] Speaker 3: sees my money, only sees my money, and I'm a
[44:24] Speaker 3: good person. I had to let all that go. Was like, well,
[44:28] Speaker 3: the money is a part of your person now, so
[44:31] Speaker 3: let that be. Wow, and that's okay, Yeah.
[44:34] Speaker 1: It is now when you started making money, were talking
[44:36] Speaker 1: about money as a part of the person.
[44:38] Speaker 3: Listen, that's a whole nother podcast, the financial literacy. Yes, yes,
[44:42] Speaker 3: but go ahead, that's yeah.
[44:44] Speaker 1: Even like with like family and friends, what did you
[44:46] Speaker 1: go through when you start? Because that's the thing I
[44:51] Speaker 1: start to deal with now, you know. Just then titlement
[44:53] Speaker 1: or like gimme, gimmy, gimme and the random text messages
[44:57] Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm just waiting to ask.
[44:59] Speaker 3: I had yeah, because usually what happens is, you know,
[45:02] Speaker 3: they don't they don't talk to you forever, and then
[45:03] Speaker 3: they're like, hey, how you doing. You've been on my mind.
[45:07] Speaker 3: God told me to pray for you on my heart,
[45:08] Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, okay, ten nine eight, Can you send
[45:12] Speaker 3: me thirty thousand dollars because I need Yeah? And then
[45:15] Speaker 3: I had another family member sent it, said and I
[45:18] Speaker 3: was hurt by it. I said, listen, you sent me
[45:20] Speaker 3: a text asking for thirty thousand dollars. That's offensive, Like
[45:23] Speaker 3: call me see how I'm doing. Yes, And then and
[45:26] Speaker 3: then I don't mind, you know, I don't mind giving
[45:28] Speaker 3: you the money. Well, this family member got offended, so
[45:31] Speaker 3: I'll never ask you for nothing else. I was just
[45:33] Speaker 3: a well, I was just saying, how how impersonal.
[45:36] Speaker 2: The text is yeah, absolutely.
[45:39] Speaker 3: A little while later, get another text, I need I
[45:43] Speaker 3: need thirty thousand dollars the same person, and then the
[45:46] Speaker 3: follow up text was make it forty tyler, I kid
[45:50] Speaker 3: you not. And I was hurt by the sense the
[45:54] Speaker 3: fact that make it forty yeah, yes, just that it
[45:57] Speaker 3: was just so blatantly like I'm just the money, right Yeah.
[46:00] Speaker 3: And I get to this place called it's this thing
[46:02] Speaker 3: called compassion fatigue, where you just gift exhausted from giving,
[46:06] Speaker 3: like and you and for me, I have to go
[46:08] Speaker 3: away and pray and get myself back together because I
[46:12] Speaker 3: get to get my face kind of place, you know
[46:15] Speaker 3: what I mean. So so I have to go back
[46:16] Speaker 3: and get right with that. But having that, having you know,
[46:19] Speaker 3: family members, you know, that's crazy.
[46:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wonder how you deal on your level
[46:26] Speaker 1: because nobody's calling me for thirty well.
[46:30] Speaker 3: Right, right, so let's go back. Let's go back. But
[46:34] Speaker 3: you know what, I learned to accept them as who
[46:36] Speaker 3: they are, and the family doesn't necessarily have to be
[46:40] Speaker 3: the people that are your blood. So I started surrounding
[46:44] Speaker 3: myself with people who genuinely cared about me. If we
[46:48] Speaker 3: were on a boat on just some when we're in
[46:49] Speaker 3: our groups on the trips, if we're on a boat,
[46:51] Speaker 3: if we're on the island for you know, these people care. Yes,
[46:54] Speaker 3: they can't pay for it, but they're there because they
[46:57] Speaker 3: want to support you and care for you. And that
[47:00] Speaker 3: it was more like family.
[47:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[47:01] Speaker 3: So my family gets money, but they have to work
[47:09] Speaker 3: or they won't get money, right because I'm not the
[47:14] Speaker 3: bank and I'm not the government. Yeah, and I think
[47:18] Speaker 3: it's important that people work. So working is so important.
[47:24] Speaker 2: I agree.
[47:25] Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment where you had survivors rem
[47:27] Speaker 1: worries where you the only person in your family that
[47:29] Speaker 1: has made it, where you feel like, no, I feel
[47:32] Speaker 1: bad that I'm the one that made it and everybody
[47:34] Speaker 1: else did.
[47:34] Speaker 2: And so I got it. I have to do these things.
[47:37] Speaker 3: First year I made money. I went from being dead broke.
[47:40] Speaker 3: I was twenty eight years old. I made one hundred
[47:42] Speaker 3: thirty thousand dollars. I was said, oh my god, one
[47:44] Speaker 3: hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Got to the end of
[47:46] Speaker 3: the year, had nothing to pay my taxes because I'd
[47:49] Speaker 3: given it all the way. Wow, that's so much guilt
[47:51] Speaker 3: that I've given it to all the family.
[47:53] Speaker 2: All friends.
[47:54] Speaker 3: Next year, I think I've made a million and a half.
[47:57] Speaker 3: Same thing happened again. Wow, next year I made seven million.
[48:01] Speaker 3: Same thing happened again. Because I had so much guilt,
[48:04] Speaker 3: because I had and I think this is something that
[48:06] Speaker 3: we as black people carry because of what we've been through.
[48:09] Speaker 3: And when you have you think, oh my god, I
[48:12] Speaker 3: need to bring everybody else up with me. That's a
[48:15] Speaker 3: beautiful thought. But in the beginning that's bullshit. Take that bullshit,
[48:21] Speaker 3: get take that out of your mind, because I'm gonna
[48:22] Speaker 3: tell you right now. If you have a boat that
[48:25] Speaker 3: can help you get to one from this place to
[48:28] Speaker 3: that place so that you can get a bigger boat
[48:30] Speaker 3: and you can only take two or three people, don't
[48:32] Speaker 3: let everybody on that boat. And you got to be
[48:35] Speaker 3: also careful because when you put too many people on
[48:37] Speaker 3: the boat, there's some trying to put holes in it
[48:40] Speaker 3: because they wanted to sink because they don't like that
[48:43] Speaker 3: you're sailing. Yeah, so you have to be careful, right
[48:48] Speaker 3: or there's some that are putting holes in the boat
[48:51] Speaker 3: because they don't feel that they're worthy of it. And
[48:54] Speaker 3: I've had that too, where I was trying to pull
[48:56] Speaker 3: people up to come on, come on, this as far
[48:58] Speaker 3: as we can. We've been together all these years. We
[49:00] Speaker 3: can make this happen. It's gonna be wonderful. It's gonna
[49:02] Speaker 3: be great. But the whole thing that I had to
[49:06] Speaker 3: realize is that some people cannot survive at certain altitudes.
[49:10] Speaker 3: So if you're pulling somebody up a hill, who when
[49:13] Speaker 3: you get to ten thousand feet they can't breathe, You're
[49:15] Speaker 3: going to kill them. Yeah, so it's okay to leave
[49:18] Speaker 3: them there until they learned the conditioning of what it
[49:21] Speaker 3: takes to be at ten thousand feet.
[49:23] Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's good, that's good.
[49:25] Speaker 3: It's true.
[49:26] Speaker 2: I'm going through a season. I just did an episode
[49:29] Speaker 2: called Purging Season and season two and it was just about.
[49:32] Speaker 3: Say that again. I'm sorry, Purging season season one?
[49:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, season one. I did an episode called Purging
[49:37] Speaker 2: Season and it's literally like God was just removing people
[49:41] Speaker 2: like friends, family. It was just like, Lord, what is
[49:43] Speaker 2: happening right now?
[49:45] Speaker 1: And you're starting to see that, like you said, people
[49:47] Speaker 1: can't breathe the altitude that you're going to, or you
[49:49] Speaker 1: did a speech about it. I think it was a
[49:52] Speaker 1: commencement speech on we talked about rocket boosters. Yeah, and
[49:55] Speaker 1: I was like when you said that, That's exactly what
[49:57] Speaker 1: came to mind when I thought about, Lord, what is
[49:59] Speaker 1: this that you're taking me through right now? Because I
[50:01] Speaker 1: felt like I was losing people I was really close to.
[50:05] Speaker 1: But everybody can't go.
[50:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and you've ever seen a bunch of
[50:08] Speaker 3: kids on America around it goes faster and faster and
[50:11] Speaker 3: faster and faster and faster. What you find is that
[50:13] Speaker 3: the people who are closest to the center can hold
[50:16] Speaker 3: the tightest. The ones who are out toward the who
[50:19] Speaker 3: are holding on are getting the most of the g
[50:21] Speaker 3: forces its to they can't handle it. Yeah, so those
[50:25] Speaker 3: people have fallen. So I call it the spend. There
[50:27] Speaker 3: is sometimes in your life you'll start to spend and
[50:31] Speaker 3: you're spinning up to the next level and people start
[50:33] Speaker 3: to fall off. And let me tell you something, it hurts.
[50:36] Speaker 3: It's lonely, especially when it's somebody that you really really
[50:40] Speaker 3: loved and had a great time with and wish that
[50:42] Speaker 3: they could be there with you. But you have to
[50:46] Speaker 3: understand and realize that that toxicity is poisoned to your wings.
[50:52] Speaker 3: It will cause you to crash. So you have to
[50:56] Speaker 3: be able to say I love you, I'm sorry this
[51:00] Speaker 3: does not work for me. Yeah, then you get the
[51:02] Speaker 3: shit all you boogie you changing what's Oh no, now
[51:05] Speaker 3: you got all this and you don't want none of
[51:08] Speaker 3: that matters. Yeah, walk through the pain of the Loneliess
[51:11] Speaker 3: come and tell you something. The higher you go, the
[51:14] Speaker 3: smaller that circle gets.
[51:15] Speaker 2: You're so right. Yeah, I'm just getting started.
[51:18] Speaker 3: I see it, and it's okay. It's okay because I
[51:21] Speaker 3: promise you, if you ask God to give you what
[51:23] Speaker 3: you need, they show up.
[51:26] Speaker 2: They do.
[51:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, show up, and I have what I need. I
[51:28] Speaker 1: do like, I really have a good core. And everybody
[51:31] Speaker 1: that's around me, I know they love me. They support
[51:33] Speaker 1: me wholeheartedly. We all have our own thing going on.
[51:37] Speaker 1: And it's no jealousy, and that's what that's.
[51:39] Speaker 3: What you want, because jealousy will show up in ways
[51:44] Speaker 3: that you didn't even expect it. And people who've been
[51:47] Speaker 3: right up under you as long as you didn't exceed
[51:50] Speaker 3: what they thought you could be, the minute you start
[51:53] Speaker 3: to go higher than they believed you could go, it's ugly.
[51:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, Yeah, that's a real thing. And it
[52:01] Speaker 1: is lonely. It is they say it's lonely at the
[52:03] Speaker 1: top of.
[52:03] Speaker 3: It, not lying, but here's what I had to learn
[52:05] Speaker 3: how to do. I had to learn to get all
[52:08] Speaker 3: of my friends. Nobody can give you all everything you need.
[52:12] Speaker 3: So all of my friends were brought something. It's like
[52:17] Speaker 3: a like you have a pot luck where you can
[52:19] Speaker 3: bring everybody brings it something to eat. And some people
[52:22] Speaker 3: may be able to bring fruit, something, bring vegetables something,
[52:25] Speaker 3: bring chicken something. So I had all of my friends
[52:28] Speaker 3: bring me something different, yes, so that I have all
[52:31] Speaker 3: that I need. You can't get it from one person.
[52:34] Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's so good. I love that.
[52:38] Speaker 1: Denor had actually spoke on something recently that piggybacks off
[52:41] Speaker 1: of what you said. She goes a lot of times
[52:43] Speaker 1: when God brings people in your life, you're like, why
[52:45] Speaker 1: am I not getting what I'm putting into this? Like
[52:47] Speaker 1: I'm pooring, I'm pooring, I'm pouring into this person, but
[52:50] Speaker 1: I'm not getting it back. And she said that sometimes
[52:53] Speaker 1: that person isn't putting your life to pour back into you.
[52:56] Speaker 1: You're on an assignment to them, and it's somebody else
[52:58] Speaker 1: that's going to bring you what you need.
[53:00] Speaker 3: That's that's your one right, that's exactly right, and and
[53:04] Speaker 3: you have to understand that when it's your time to poor.
[53:08] Speaker 3: Do that, yes, and hopefully that seed that you're watering
[53:16] Speaker 3: will start to grow in that person. Because I've seen
[53:18] Speaker 3: this like in you, like seeing you come up to
[53:22] Speaker 3: this place of like look I poured it into a
[53:25] Speaker 3: now look, And I've got thousands of those examples in
[53:28] Speaker 3: the studios, like I poured in look at him now.
[53:30] Speaker 3: And it warms me so much because when you're pouring
[53:34] Speaker 3: poor with pure intention, yes, and then you don't worry
[53:38] Speaker 3: about being hurt if if it doesn't work out. Just
[53:43] Speaker 3: just be pure and your intention. Don't let people change
[53:46] Speaker 3: your intention, even if they give you their ask to
[53:49] Speaker 3: kiss after you were trying to help them. Don't stop
[53:51] Speaker 3: who you are going and help the next person, you know.
[53:54] Speaker 3: So that is so important, so important. That's really good.
[53:58] Speaker 3: It's really good. Yeah.
[54:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, she's been dropping some nuggets. I'm like, birl,
[54:04] Speaker 2: God is really talking to you and me. I love it.
[54:08] Speaker 1: So I want to go back to some of your journey.
[54:11] Speaker 1: You started off in the chilling circuit with media plays.
[54:13] Speaker 1: You worked you way up to owning your own studio.
[54:17] Speaker 1: At the time that you were like doing the smaller place,
[54:20] Speaker 1: what was it for like even actually, I want to
[54:22] Speaker 1: go back to when you decided, like I, what was
[54:26] Speaker 1: that in between phases like right before things went crazy,
[54:30] Speaker 1: like when you were doing The Smaller Place, What was
[54:33] Speaker 1: that like?
[54:33] Speaker 3: There was no in between phases? Was twenty eight years old?
[54:36] Speaker 3: That was twenty seven, Broke Homeless twenty eight. I had
[54:40] Speaker 3: been trying to do the show for seven years, and
[54:43] Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight the show took off. So it
[54:47] Speaker 3: was famine, famine, famine, struggles, struggle, desert, desert, desert, Jesus.
[54:51] Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, it was abundance. It was
[54:53] Speaker 3: the abundant rainbow. So I went from ninety when I
[54:57] Speaker 3: started in ninety eight. That's why I feel like I
[54:59] Speaker 3: missed twelve years of min life though I was working
[55:00] Speaker 3: so hard ninety eight at twenty eight, and I came.
[55:05] Speaker 3: I kind of came to myself at forty, like I
[55:08] Speaker 3: woke up going, whoh, you did it? But you missed
[55:14] Speaker 3: everything because there's so many of those moments I don't remember.
[55:18] Speaker 3: I was so laser focused on making the success work.
[55:23] Speaker 3: And also I was afraid of going back that we
[55:27] Speaker 3: talked about earlier. I didn't want to be broke again.
[55:29] Speaker 3: I didn't want to, you know, I need to have
[55:31] Speaker 3: my medicine for my mother. That's how it all started.
[55:33] Speaker 3: I just need to if I lower just My prayer was, Lord,
[55:35] Speaker 3: just let me make enough money take care of her.
[55:38] Speaker 3: And I had millions, and it still wasn't enough in
[55:41] Speaker 3: my mind. So I was still going really really really
[55:44] Speaker 3: hard until she died. When she died, it had reset me,
[55:50] Speaker 3: like everything I was pushing for was gone. Yeah, but
[55:56] Speaker 3: those those times were so such a blur because I
[56:03] Speaker 3: just worked all the way through.
[56:05] Speaker 2: Do you have any regrets?
[56:06] Speaker 3: Sometimes I do because I look I feel like I'm
[56:10] Speaker 3: twelve years younger, because I went into this silo of
[56:15] Speaker 3: working and I came out twelve years later of like, okay,
[56:19] Speaker 3: oh wait, this is what the world is, this is
[56:21] Speaker 3: what wait people, well, they were enjoying themselves at these
[56:27] Speaker 3: parties and oscars and award shows. I wouldn't you know
[56:30] Speaker 3: how I would walk in and out. I was like,
[56:32] Speaker 3: I'm not nope, this is work.
[56:34] Speaker 2: Back to work.
[56:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, we're good. Back to work. Literally, So I feel
[56:37] Speaker 3: like I missed twelve years of my life. Even though
[56:41] Speaker 3: now I look back at some wonderful things happened, I'm
[56:44] Speaker 3: telling you I missed them all. Like I'll see photos
[56:47] Speaker 3: or somebody remind us you remember when I go, wow, you're.
[56:50] Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
[56:53] Speaker 3: But instead of being fifty three, I'm forty one. There
[56:58] Speaker 3: you go, there you go, there you go.
[57:00] Speaker 2: I love it.
[57:02] Speaker 1: What does a billionaire like you who has a busy schedule?
[57:06] Speaker 2: What do you do for yourself?
[57:07] Speaker 3: Like?
[57:08] Speaker 2: What do you you know? A lot of players say like, Ike,
[57:10] Speaker 2: this is my meantime, this is what I do. What
[57:11] Speaker 2: do you do for fun?
[57:13] Speaker 1: What do you do to like take care of toyland
[57:15] Speaker 1: of your body? I know you work out or you
[57:17] Speaker 1: like to travel, but like, what are things that you do?
[57:19] Speaker 1: Because a lot of people like you're working all the time,
[57:21] Speaker 1: when do you have time for just you?
[57:23] Speaker 3: You know what? People think that I'm a lot busier
[57:25] Speaker 3: than I am. But because we work so fast, because
[57:29] Speaker 3: I building bricks, I don't try to kill myself like
[57:31] Speaker 3: like I would have back then. But now no I building.
[57:35] Speaker 3: I'm gonna work three months, really really hard, NonStop. I'm
[57:38] Speaker 3: gonna exhaust myself and I'm gonna take two months off.
[57:40] Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to my place in Wyoming or Colorado.
[57:42] Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk through the woods and be in nature.
[57:45] Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk to God. I'm gonna go down to
[57:47] Speaker 3: the island. I'm going to cry, I'm gonna pray. I'm
[57:49] Speaker 3: gonna lick my wounds to see who who stayed, who
[57:52] Speaker 3: didn't work? Where am I hurt? Am I okay? Am
[57:56] Speaker 3: I feeling loved? Am I feeling supported? I check in
[57:59] Speaker 3: with mysel So I talk to God about it. It's
[58:01] Speaker 3: so important. It's so important. But the biggest thing that
[58:06] Speaker 3: I do, because I can do it every day that
[58:08] Speaker 3: I'm working, it's just build airplanes, build modern airplanes. Yes,
[58:12] Speaker 3: me and my me and my son will sit there
[58:14] Speaker 3: and just he's loving it. We're you know, it's just
[58:17] Speaker 3: it's the simplest thing. But to build something that we'll
[58:22] Speaker 3: be able to fly. Yeah, I feel like I'm teaching
[58:25] Speaker 3: my son how to literally fly.
[58:27] Speaker 1: Wow.
[58:28] Speaker 3: So so those moments are really beautiful. And this kid,
[58:32] Speaker 3: you see, you know, he's he's amazing.
[58:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, brilliant. Oh my gosh. I can't wait to
[58:38] Speaker 2: see where he goes and what he decides to do.
[58:41] Speaker 2: His life is gonna be amazing.
[58:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, whatever it is, I just want
[58:46] Speaker 3: him to be the best at it and be happy.
[58:48] Speaker 2: I love it.
[58:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, just be happy son. Yeah, because right now it's
[58:52] Speaker 3: a race car driver, astronaut and a track and field
[58:54] Speaker 3: runner and a comedian. So we had a business meeting
[58:59] Speaker 3: in my office a few weeks ago and I was
[59:01] Speaker 3: asking him. You know, he was in the room when
[59:04] Speaker 3: I was having all these meetings, and he comes, Okay,
[59:06] Speaker 3: Papa's my turn to meet. I have see what do
[59:09] Speaker 3: you want to talk about? I want to talk about
[59:10] Speaker 3: my life in my career and what I'm going to do.
[59:12] Speaker 3: It's like, okay, eight years old.
[59:15] Speaker 2: I love it.
[59:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, So I recorded it and I can't wait to
[59:17] Speaker 3: show him when he's older, like, this is what you
[59:19] Speaker 3: wanted to talk about.
[59:20] Speaker 1: That That is amazing. It's amazing when you are dealing
[59:24] Speaker 1: with things. Mental health is really big. Like a black
[59:27] Speaker 1: community is like really honing in on it and understanding
[59:30] Speaker 1: it more. We're more open to therapy. Who does someone
[59:33] Speaker 1: like Tyler Perry talk to. You have someone that you
[59:35] Speaker 1: can like say, hey, this is what I'm going through.
[59:37] Speaker 3: Jesus h Yeah, no, Oprah TD Jake's you know, I
[59:42] Speaker 3: have Michelle Obama. I have really good people who have
[59:46] Speaker 3: been through some things. I used to talk to Sicily
[59:49] Speaker 3: Tyson you know about things just that level of history
[59:54] Speaker 3: and lessons that she's learned. And Sidney Poiitier. I went
[59:57] Speaker 3: to the Masters. Yes, I was flying to to Africa,
[1:00:01] Speaker 3: and I invited both of them to fly with me.
[1:00:02] Speaker 3: So I literally sat at their feet listening to their stories.
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: You know, Clarence Avon died a couple of days ago,
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: and he just was He was the black golf he
[1:00:13] Speaker 3: was absolutely and any time you needed anything or something
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: put together this or presidents or that, he was the man.
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: So you know, I had a chance to spend time
[1:00:24] Speaker 3: with him. That that's just Quincy Jones, these guys, Harry
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: Belafante on the phone with him. That's what I mean
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: that those those are the people. But all our legends
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: are getting out of here. So so I'm hoping that,
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: you know, more of us will be open to sharing.
[1:00:41] Speaker 3: You know, when I talked to Jay jay Z, he
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: he is one of those people. It's like, listen, I
[1:00:46] Speaker 3: got the information, come hit it, you know. So yeah,
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: but as so as mental health goes, I tell you
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: the main problem. That's how you look at the tobacco crisis.
[1:00:56] Speaker 3: When everybody was talking about how cigarettes were in the beginning,
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: they were saying, but people made billions of dollars on it.
[1:01:02] Speaker 3: Then you look at all the other opioid crisis, crack cocaine. Right,
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: there's another crisis that is happening that is affecting people's
[1:01:11] Speaker 3: mental health in ways that nobody's talking about. And I'm
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: hoping one day that it comes crashing down, like the
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: tobacco industry, like the like the opioid addiction industry, Perdue pharma,
[1:01:26] Speaker 3: and that is social media.
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: I know you're going to say that, Oh my gosh,
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: you are right.
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: If you don't believe me, try to try to turn
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: it off and put it down.
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: I pick up my phone randomly, like right, I'll be
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: doing something then before I know what, I'm just scrolling
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: on Instagram.
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: It's like a drug.
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: Yes, and you're being fed whatever whatever algorithm you chose,
[1:01:49] Speaker 3: because it's attached to where you go, where they are
[1:01:52] Speaker 3: tracking everything you're doing, and whatever mood you're in you're in,
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: that's what it's going to enhance. Yeah, So if you're
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: a person who's already struggling, sad and depressed and dealing
[1:02:03] Speaker 3: with some things, it's going to be really, really tough
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: to come up higher when you're constantly being fed things
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: that make you sad and depressed. I'm not talking about
[1:02:12] Speaker 3: clinical Depression'm talking about people who are sad and depression.
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, I used to.
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: I went through a phase where I had body dysmorphia
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: because I would look on Instagram and I would see
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: all these perfect bodies, whether it was plastic surgery bodies
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: or just.
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: Everything is perfect. Everybody's just showing the highlight reel. That's
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: all you're seeing. You never seeing the downtimes.
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: And I'll try to be more transparent with that because
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: people just think our life is so perfect.
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's nuts.
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: And listen. I know a lot of those folks, and
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: I'd be like, this your life for real, because that
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: ain't what you're really going through. So it's just like,
[1:02:46] Speaker 3: stop with the madness, stop with the madness. So trying
[1:02:49] Speaker 3: to give this perfect image that everything's perfect, because there
[1:02:53] Speaker 3: are people who are really struggling, who are really looking
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: to these images and thinking this is how my life
[1:02:59] Speaker 3: should be. Now. If it's aspirational, great, but if it's
[1:03:02] Speaker 3: something that you know, damn well, you got thirty eight
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: filters on two thousands, three touches and forty eight something
[1:03:08] Speaker 3: else to make sure it looks great.
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: Come on, I was that girl?
[1:03:12] Speaker 3: Go ahead, digital botox.
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, all the things.
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: I worry about it for my son who's not on it,
[1:03:20] Speaker 3: who doesn't see it. He doesn't you know, he reads books,
[1:03:24] Speaker 3: So I don't want him to be so unaware of it.
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: But I want him to know who he is before
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: the world starts to try to tell him who he is.
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: That's so good. I love it. I love it.
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: So when we talk about God and aligning your vision
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: with God, how do you create the space for God
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: to really like talk to you and say, hey, I
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: know you said. Sometimes things get shaken up when you
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: start to try to go against what God is saying,
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: maybe because you see something totally different.
[1:03:50] Speaker 3: Because your vision is not aligned. And I've learned to
[1:03:52] Speaker 3: surrender to God's vision. I don't try to align have
[1:03:55] Speaker 3: him aligned to my vision. I let the opposite happen.
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, where are we going? What are we doing?
[1:04:02] Speaker 3: And I've learned so much God to trust you that
[1:04:06] Speaker 3: this is the way I'm going to go because I
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: don't want the resistance and the fighting of the other stuff.
[1:04:12] Speaker 3: It's just to surrender to it. But again, I keep
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: going back to social media, because it is so hard
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: to hear from God in noise. And if you are
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: the type of person that is seeking advice from every
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: friend you have online, every Instagram, every TikTok, if you're
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: seeking advice, how can you know the still small voice
[1:04:34] Speaker 3: that I believe is God. That's why I have to
[1:04:37] Speaker 3: remove myself and not be on anything digital and just
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: listen to see what I hear. Walking in nature is
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: the best way. I was out in Colorado and the
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: wind just whispered past. I heard it. I thought it
[1:04:51] Speaker 3: was traffic coming, because we're up on this mountain. I
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: thought it was traffic. I asked to God, as is
[1:04:55] Speaker 3: that the traffic is said, No, that's the wind that's coming.
[1:04:58] Speaker 3: And I heard it come that over the mouth, down
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: through the valley and come up over it, and and
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: and and for me, that's like I how I think
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: God will speak, like, they'll be over there, just a
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: little bit of something that you that you missed. Wow,
[1:05:13] Speaker 3: and then there's another something. Okay, you missed. You missed
[1:05:16] Speaker 3: the acorn, so now the branch has to fall. Okay,
[1:05:18] Speaker 3: you missed the branch. Now the trees got to fall
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: on you. Okay, you still miss that. The whole forest
[1:05:23] Speaker 3: is burning. So I've learned to just when I see
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: the acorn, I'm gonna be like, oh no, no, no, no,
[1:05:28] Speaker 3: let me get Let me get that, because I don't
[1:05:29] Speaker 3: want the tree of the forest. Just give me the acorn.
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: Oh that's good, because yeah, the whole forest be burning
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: around me because I'm like, no, I see it this way,
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: like I need to get better as surrendering, I always
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: ask for God to order myself, but I still am
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: very much like, Okay, this is the way I see.
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go this way until God is like, girl,
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: get yeah.
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: God, God in the Bible says, my thoughts of you
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: are pure and of a good report, and that you
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: be in health and prosper as your soul prospers. Right,
[1:06:00] Speaker 3: So all of that's good. Right, So if your vision
[1:06:06] Speaker 3: isn't aligned with what's good, then I don't know how
[1:06:10] Speaker 3: that can be. God, Right, that's so good, and what's
[1:06:13] Speaker 3: good for you may not be the thing that you're
[1:06:14] Speaker 3: supposed to do at the time.
[1:06:15] Speaker 2: And that's normally would I be doing.
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, I always do things that I don't mean be doing.
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: And God's like, girl, we've been through this before. Why
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: are you still doing the same thing.
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: But let me tell you something. I really didn't understand
[1:06:30] Speaker 3: the love of God until I had a child. Wow,
[1:06:33] Speaker 3: And if God loves us more than I love my child,
[1:06:35] Speaker 3: and I can't even wrap my brain around that because this,
[1:06:39] Speaker 3: and he does because this. When I see him making
[1:06:42] Speaker 3: a mistake or when I see him going the wrong,
[1:06:44] Speaker 3: doing something wrong, I'm like, Okay, how do I correct him?
[1:06:48] Speaker 3: How do I get him on the straight narrow? And
[1:06:49] Speaker 3: I'm going to choose the level of correction based on
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: how hard he's going at it.
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, that's good. I love that. I love it.
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: So we talked about you having vision as a little boy,
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: So as an adult, what do you once you have
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: that vision? How did how do you decide a God,
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: I'm going to partner with you to bring this to life?
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: Is it through prayer, through meditation, or just always keeping
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: him involved?
[1:07:13] Speaker 3: It's his vision. So you you riding a law he
[1:07:17] Speaker 3: gave it. Yeah you ain't. You ain't in partnership. It's
[1:07:20] Speaker 3: his vision for your life. So it's it's it's surrendering
[1:07:24] Speaker 3: to where is this taking me? That's the thing, like,
[1:07:27] Speaker 3: where is this taking me? And how? That's why I'm
[1:07:29] Speaker 3: saying the most frustrating part of my early life was
[1:07:31] Speaker 3: having all these visions and not seeing the past. Yea,
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: So I could have did a million plays and never
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: saw anybody ever saw never. God had to line all
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: of that up for it to start to work. Wow,
[1:07:45] Speaker 3: And I had to be willing to get in the
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: middle of it and go hard. That's why I missed
[1:07:51] Speaker 3: those twelve years, because I just I was in the will.
[1:07:55] Speaker 3: In the will yeah yeah, still yeah, still. But I'm
[1:07:59] Speaker 3: enjoyed my life a lot more now. I'm enjoying them.
[1:08:01] Speaker 3: I'm taking the moments now. I was just at an
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: age where you know that's running hard.
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: I love you in life, see yeah, happy and enjoying.
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, wearing nice clothes, going concerts. You know, got some
[1:08:13] Speaker 3: blame things I never bought before. But yeah, yep, had
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: my Soups suits, my Steve Hobbins suits back in the
[1:08:24] Speaker 3: day I was clean. They have my rabbit ja They
[1:08:30] Speaker 3: told me it was a mink, but it was a
[1:08:32] Speaker 3: rabbit when I bought it. A Green Briar bought a
[1:08:36] Speaker 3: Green I did. I wanted that store still there. I
[1:08:38] Speaker 3: need to go by this store just.
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: It probably is. It is hilarious. Tyler, thank you so much.
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: This is no I appreciate you.
[1:08:46] Speaker 3: I am beyond proud of you. Thank you, so so
[1:08:48] Speaker 3: proud of thank you. Looking at you come through all
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: of this, and I was right there with you to
[1:08:53] Speaker 3: see it. Yeah, see it. Look at you.
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: It's crazy when you wake up in here, You're like
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: when those doors and walk in here, I'm like, this
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: is my life.
[1:09:02] Speaker 2: This is my life. Yeah yeah, and it feels so good.
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:09:05] Speaker 2: If it's things, thank you. I appreciate you coming today.
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: At the close of the show, we do what is
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: called positive outcomes, where our viewers actually write into us
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: and we're going.
[1:09:19] Speaker 2: To give them some advice.
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: So our listener letter today says, Hi, Crystal, thank you
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: for taking the time to help me. Lately, I've been
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: feeling like I am stuck. It's like I'm being pushed
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: to bigger and greater things, but I feel like I'm
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: getting in my own way. My fear and insecurity keeps
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: holding me back, and I feel my self battle with
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: the fear of others saying who does she think she is?
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: By fully stepping into whatever it greater?
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: Is the best way I can describe it is that
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: feeling when I'm on a boat and God has called
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: me to the water, But my fear of drowning is
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: greater than my faith that God will help me float.
[1:09:52] Speaker 1: So I'm just standing at the edge of the boat,
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: not jumping. How can I get myself to jump?
[1:09:57] Speaker 3: Go back and read again, Read again?
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: Okay, Hi Crystal, thank you for taking the time to
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: help me. Lately, I've been feeling like I am stuck.
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: It's like I'm being problem number one. I have been
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: feeling like I am stuck. She's speaking that, I have
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: been feeling like I am stuck. So you speak things
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: into existence, power of life, and destin in the tongue.
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: I have been feeling like I am stuck, rather than
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: I am not stuck. God, It's gonna make a way.
[1:10:29] Speaker 3: I am not stuck going What's there something else? She said?
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: She says, it's like I'm being pushed to bigger and
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: greater things, but I feel like I'm getting in my
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: own way.
[1:10:37] Speaker 3: It's like I'm being pushed. No, I am being pushed
[1:10:41] Speaker 3: to bigger and greater things, but I am getting in
[1:10:46] Speaker 3: my way and understanding your own words, here's here when
[1:10:49] Speaker 3: you maybe you give them the answers to yourself. I
[1:10:52] Speaker 3: am getting in my own way? Well, why what is
[1:10:54] Speaker 3: your motivation? Why are you getting in your own way?
[1:10:57] Speaker 3: What did mama say? What did daddy say? What they
[1:10:58] Speaker 3: say at school? What did what did the little girl?
[1:11:00] Speaker 3: And you deal with that makes you get into the
[1:11:03] Speaker 3: way of the successful woman that's trying to figure it
[1:11:05] Speaker 3: all out. So you've got to go back and undo
[1:11:08] Speaker 3: some of those voices. And every time you hear something negative.
[1:11:11] Speaker 3: When I was coming through all this stuff, every time
[1:11:13] Speaker 3: I would hear something negative, be like, Nope, I'm not
[1:11:14] Speaker 3: letting it in because I believe I can do this.
[1:11:16] Speaker 3: God said, I can do this. This is going to
[1:11:18] Speaker 3: be okay, It's all going to work out every time.
[1:11:21] Speaker 3: Don't let negative voices in your head become your reality
[1:11:26] Speaker 3: because they will. They will.
[1:11:28] Speaker 2: That is so true, she is.
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: And then she said, my fear and insecurity he was
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: holding me back. I feel myself battle with the fear
[1:11:36] Speaker 1: of other people, saying, who does she think she is
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: about fully stepping into.
[1:11:39] Speaker 3: That my fear and is holding my fear is holding
[1:11:43] Speaker 3: me back. Here's something you have to understand about fear.
[1:11:47] Speaker 3: Fear and excitement can mimic the same emotions in you. Wow,
[1:11:52] Speaker 3: so you can be excited, but you think you're afraid. Yes,
[1:11:58] Speaker 3: so you have to be clear about what you're identifying, right, yeah, yeah.
[1:12:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, good Wow, you helping me, my goodness?
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: And it says the best way I can describe it
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: is that I feel like I'm on a boat and
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: God has called me to the water. But my fear
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: here goes fear again of drowning is greater than my
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: faith that God will help me float Yep, where did.
[1:12:17] Speaker 3: It come from? And let me tell you some fear
[1:12:19] Speaker 3: is good. A healthy, a healthy dose of fear is
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: good to have because it keeps you grounded, it keeps
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: you humble, and it keeps you praying. I never would
[1:12:27] Speaker 3: have gotten to this place if I hadn't been afraid. Yes,
[1:12:31] Speaker 3: every major decision was like, goh, what if this doesn't
[1:12:34] Speaker 3: work out? No, get that out of your head, because
[1:12:36] Speaker 3: you cannot be afraid because that And as I the
[1:12:40] Speaker 3: more and I say this to her, the more successes
[1:12:43] Speaker 3: she has. Even if she looks back in her over
[1:12:45] Speaker 3: her life. Nine times out of ten when I ask
[1:12:47] Speaker 3: people this, that blows their mind. And look back and
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: look back at your entire life and tell me how
[1:12:51] Speaker 3: many times God has let you down? Entire life. Yeah,
[1:12:58] Speaker 3: and if you really think of about that your future days,
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: you'd go.
[1:13:02] Speaker 5: Okay, even when I thought he let me down, even
[1:13:05] Speaker 5: when I thought I had failed, even when I thought
[1:13:07] Speaker 5: I had messed up, that was good for me so
[1:13:11] Speaker 5: that I can be in this position.
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I learned so much in the things that
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: God didn't let me do. And when a door door
[1:13:18] Speaker 3: is closed, that is not a no. Yeah yeah, that
[1:13:21] Speaker 3: that is there's another way, that's another path. It's like
[1:13:24] Speaker 3: being an amazed when you hit that that brick wall.
[1:13:28] Speaker 3: You don't you don't stop, you could Okay, maybe I
[1:13:31] Speaker 3: gotta double back. I gotta go this way, I gotta
[1:13:32] Speaker 3: go this way, but you'll get there.
[1:13:34] Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Wow, that's so good. And her last question
[1:13:37] Speaker 2: is how do I get myself to jump?
[1:13:39] Speaker 3: How do I get myself to jump? Yeah? By undoing
[1:13:44] Speaker 3: all of those voices that caused you to have those
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: few yes.
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: Yeah that's good. Wow. Well y'all heard it from the
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: man himself, like I ain't got nothing else to add
[1:13:53] Speaker 2: to that, that he broke that all the way down. Wow,
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: think that blessed me? My goodness, I only want to
[1:13:59] Speaker 2: look at the door. I know you cry. So the
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: next thing we do is what I'm going for.
[1:14:08] Speaker 3: I like that. Who go ahead, Darling.
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: This came from the daughter Gabana store and.
[1:14:18] Speaker 3: Darling was somewhere where Darling was.
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: Remember I had a rough nighted see, and I was
[1:14:24] Speaker 1: I couldn't get out to shop and my different Tyler.
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: Harry, that was a night I got you.
[1:14:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, send it to a make shift, make sure feel better.
[1:14:31] Speaker 2: I did. Immediately.
[1:14:32] Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I think I can get up
[1:14:35] Speaker 3: now a black car to make a girl get out
[1:14:40] Speaker 3: of the bed. She's like everything, that's so good.
[1:14:49] Speaker 1: So we also do what it's called what I'm going through,
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: what I'm growing through, and in this season of my life,
[1:14:55] Speaker 1: even based on things we've talked about, I am going through,
[1:14:59] Speaker 1: especially right now, want to strike just stretching my faith,
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: learning new things that I want to do and not
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: putting all my eggs in one basket and just having
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: faith that God.
[1:15:11] Speaker 2: Is going to move.
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: Is that going through and growing through?
[1:15:13] Speaker 1: This is what I'm going through? Yeah, right now, But
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: then I'm growing Yeah, I'm growing through.
[1:15:21] Speaker 2: Right now. I'm really growing through. And I feel like
[1:15:24] Speaker 2: this is always growing through, not like having control of
[1:15:27] Speaker 2: everything and a lot of things to just be, so
[1:15:29] Speaker 2: that'd be what I'm just letting go. Yeah, what about you?
[1:15:33] Speaker 2: Are you going through?
[1:15:34] Speaker 3: What I'm What I go through is just battling compassion
[1:15:37] Speaker 3: for deca. We talked as we talked about before and
[1:15:40] Speaker 3: understanding that that everybody's not going to get it, yeah,
[1:15:44] Speaker 3: and being okay with that. I still have to remind
[1:15:46] Speaker 3: myself of that. That's what I'm growing through, or I
[1:15:51] Speaker 3: would say going through. I'm actually pretty good. I'm really
[1:15:58] Speaker 3: really good right now. I've lived these fifty three years
[1:16:02] Speaker 3: and learned a lot of things, and all I want
[1:16:06] Speaker 3: to do at this point is just take this wisdom,
[1:16:10] Speaker 3: these things that I've learned, and share them with anybody
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: who wants to receive them. Take them. But I also
[1:16:18] Speaker 3: don't want to. Oh my god, the older you get,
[1:16:21] Speaker 3: I see some old people who just that they are
[1:16:23] Speaker 3: just impatient. The older you get is like, listen, I
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: have one friend I've been help trying to help for years.
[1:16:28] Speaker 3: I was like, We've been over this. I've told you
[1:16:30] Speaker 3: these things ten different times. Because I never say you
[1:16:32] Speaker 3: should do this, And when I'm giving advice, most times
[1:16:35] Speaker 3: I let people talk so they can hear themselves work
[1:16:38] Speaker 3: out the issues. But other times I'll say, well, if
[1:16:41] Speaker 3: I were in your shoes, if I were here is
[1:16:45] Speaker 3: my thinking on that. But after sharing and sharing and sharing, sharing,
[1:16:49] Speaker 3: and you still don't start making progress in that direction,
[1:16:53] Speaker 3: Like you're wasting my time because there's somebody else who
[1:16:55] Speaker 3: could be using this.
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: Figure it out. You take those nuggets you're giving in
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: at That's so true.
[1:17:01] Speaker 3: And anybody who can get to me what I mean
[1:17:04] Speaker 3: by that, it's like anybody who can get in my presence,
[1:17:06] Speaker 3: Like I'm I say this in the best way.
[1:17:09] Speaker 2: No, I know exactly what you mean.
[1:17:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Tyler Perry, you know. And I'm a loner
[1:17:14] Speaker 3: by nature. I like to be alone, and so when
[1:17:16] Speaker 3: people make their way into my life, I go, oh,
[1:17:19] Speaker 3: you are clearly somebody God has sent for me to
[1:17:23] Speaker 3: pay attention to because you broke through all of that
[1:17:26] Speaker 3: stuff and you're this close. Like, Okay, what am I
[1:17:29] Speaker 3: supposed to teach your guy? Can't be selfish, can't be
[1:17:33] Speaker 3: about you, no matter how tired exhausted. Here's a moment,
[1:17:38] Speaker 3: and because that moment may be something that saves or
[1:17:41] Speaker 3: changes that person's life.
[1:17:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a witness.
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: I'm a testimony, living proof example.
[1:17:47] Speaker 2: Okay, and the.
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: Last thing we do is keep it blank, sweety, because
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: the show is called Keep It Positive, Sweety, but we
[1:17:56] Speaker 1: feel in the blank, and I would say keep it
[1:17:59] Speaker 1: open minded, sweet because opening your mind to new things
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: can like get you further.
[1:18:05] Speaker 3: I think we'll say saying that, I say, keep it growing.
[1:18:07] Speaker 3: There we go, keep it growing, just keep it growing.
[1:18:09] Speaker 2: Yes, here we go again.
[1:18:11] Speaker 3: Here we grow again.
[1:18:14] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, guys, Thank you so much for
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: tuning into this episode. If you want to be featured
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[1:18:36] Speaker 3: So in time, somebody is being some negative and you
[1:18:39] Speaker 3: don't want them to know what you're saying or they're
[1:18:41] Speaker 3: being all that way, you just say kIPS, kIPS T.
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