# Creating a Life of Longevity with Kenny Burns

An episode of [Keep it Positive, Sweetie](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689495115), 10 Oct 2023, 1 h 19 min.

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Season 2 Episode 5 | This week's guest and I go WAY back! I've invited my big brother Kenny Burns on the show. We talk about navigating the entertainment industry, networking, how to keep your integrity and so much more. To watch his trajectory for well over a decade has been beyond inspiring. Make sure you pay attention because he is dropping some gems. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:09] Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this episode of Keep It Pause
[0:11] Speaker 1: is Sweetie. Today we are talking about creating a life
[0:14] Speaker 1: of longevity and I have my big brother from another mother,
[0:18] Speaker 1: mister Kenny Burns.
[0:19] Speaker 2: Y'all.
[0:21] Speaker 1: Kenny, you literally you know how to reinvent yourself. You
[0:27] Speaker 1: stay relevant, and I wanted to bring you on because
[0:29] Speaker 1: a lot of people see but they don't really know
[0:31] Speaker 1: the businessman that you are, all your journey and have
[0:35] Speaker 1: the many areas that you've tapped into. So I really
[0:37] Speaker 1: want to touch on a lot of those things. But
[0:38] Speaker 1: when I think about your life, I think about heavy
[0:41] Speaker 1: as the head that where's the crown? Because yeah, because
[0:47] Speaker 1: I know someone of your stature, like it's a lot
[0:50] Speaker 1: of responsibility that falls on you and you know a
[0:52] Speaker 1: lot of people. But with those responsibilities and the rooms
[0:56] Speaker 1: that you're in, I know that gets.
[0:58] Speaker 2: Heavy at time for sure.
[0:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:00] Speaker 2: They look for good time Kenny all the time, which
[1:02] Speaker 2: is like the heaviest part you gotta be on. Oh
[1:07] Speaker 2: Kenny's here, good time. Yeah, you don't know what's going
[1:09] Speaker 2: on in my life. It's just you want that light
[1:11] Speaker 2: switch when you want it, And that's been honestly my life.
[1:14] Speaker 1: Wow, from like day one, you've always been.
[1:17] Speaker 2: I've always been good time, Kenny. I think you know,
[1:20] Speaker 2: I think parallel with just being like a good human,
[1:23] Speaker 2: I've always wanted people to be good in my space.
[1:25] Speaker 2: I always wanted people to have the time of their
[1:28] Speaker 2: lives or helped get out of things. Obviously, when I
[1:32] Speaker 2: was younger, I was a little bit of a knucklehead
[1:35] Speaker 2: want to be thugg, but I always had a heart.
[1:38] Speaker 2: That's why hustin never really aligned with my spirit, you know,
[1:41] Speaker 2: and I did it. I mean I was locked up
[1:43] Speaker 2: at eighteen, you know, of high school, lost basketball, scholarships
[1:47] Speaker 2: and opportunities, and you think about life like damn, like
[1:51] Speaker 2: it's really who I am. So my whole life has
[1:54] Speaker 2: been getting to where my passion aligns with my purpose
[1:58] Speaker 2: because I've always had, you know, the energy for both.
[2:01] Speaker 2: It was just about them aligning, and I'm finally aligned.
[2:04] Speaker 1: I love that.
[2:04] Speaker 2: I feel it. Yeah, No, it's deep. It's deep. I'm
[2:08] Speaker 2: denouncing all types of gangster ship that I grew up
[2:11] Speaker 2: on and just all the things you think you're supposed
[2:15] Speaker 2: to be right because society, you know, has its own
[2:18] Speaker 2: playbook for you. And it's sad like when you don't
[2:20] Speaker 2: control your narrative, and for me, it's just about controlling
[2:24] Speaker 2: the narrative, not only for me before my people. Yeah,
[2:26] Speaker 2: I love that.
[2:27] Speaker 1: I remember when I first met you, well even new
[2:31] Speaker 1: of you. I was on the party seeing y'all, and she.
[2:34] Speaker 2: Was outside outside little Red Bones running around.
[2:41] Speaker 1: Hey, we're here, We're here, Yeah, and you were like
[2:46] Speaker 1: I never had seen anyone mc a party like that.
[2:49] Speaker 1: I was like, this man is the life of the party.
[2:51] Speaker 1: And it was always exciting when you were there because
[2:53] Speaker 1: you'd always shout us out. We felt so important, y'all.
[2:56] Speaker 1: He was like my sis prins here by says here Like.
[2:58] Speaker 1: It was like we just really knew, like Kenny Birds
[3:01] Speaker 1: knows us. We felt like somebody in Atlanta. And then
[3:05] Speaker 1: I never remember the first time I actually got to
[3:07] Speaker 1: like get to know you a little better was when
[3:09] Speaker 1: I'm DC Howard homecoming one year. Okay, I had traveled
[3:12] Speaker 1: and we have a mutual friend.
[3:13] Speaker 2: A Mari Ware Yeah, my god, yes.
[3:16] Speaker 1: And you were with him, and then we ended up
[3:18] Speaker 1: running each other and I was like, this is a
[3:20] Speaker 1: really cool guy. I got to see more than just
[3:22] Speaker 1: a guy behind the microphone.
[3:23] Speaker 2: Yes to hang out, Yeah, we got to hang out.
[3:26] Speaker 2: And I'm glad you said that, because I felt like
[3:28] Speaker 2: people see my pictures, and back then it was pictures.
[3:31] Speaker 2: Social media was just starting the pot that's been my
[3:34] Speaker 2: whole life. They like judge me because of like, Okay,
[3:38] Speaker 2: this light skinned dude dresses well, his wife is fine,
[3:41] Speaker 2: all his kids look good. Well, he must be like this,
[3:43] Speaker 2: he must act like this. And I think that's, you know,
[3:47] Speaker 2: served me well, because once they get to know me,
[3:49] Speaker 2: they feel so bad for thinking the things that they think.
[3:52] Speaker 1: I never thought anything.
[3:53] Speaker 2: Well, no prejudgment, it's not. It's like you know you,
[3:55] Speaker 2: like you saying I saw you, well, you had a
[3:57] Speaker 2: bright light and look at you now, like not even
[3:59] Speaker 2: saying that I knew you were going to be Satima.
[4:03] Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking, But knew that you had
[4:05] Speaker 2: a light, saying with Kayla, your whole crew like had
[4:07] Speaker 2: a certain energy. And that's honestly one of my superpowers
[4:10] Speaker 2: to seen people. I see the best in humans, and
[4:12] Speaker 2: I know how to place it and help out when
[4:15] Speaker 2: I can. And just like when I walked in here,
[4:17] Speaker 2: you told me you were doing this, and I was
[4:18] Speaker 2: telling your partner like, well, I know somebody in the thing,
[4:21] Speaker 2: because that's just like my.
[4:22] Speaker 1: First nature to connect guts and help people that that's
[4:26] Speaker 1: who you are. And I really that's probably a testament
[4:29] Speaker 1: to why you've gone so far in life, because you're
[4:32] Speaker 1: not gatekeeper and holding things all to yourself, You're willing
[4:35] Speaker 1: to share.
[4:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a thing called gatekeepers, of course. And then
[4:39] Speaker 2: you have hate keepers, and I think the generation now
[4:42] Speaker 2: are full of hate keepers. And I say hate keepers.
[4:45] Speaker 2: Gatekeepers are in place to make sure the best of
[4:49] Speaker 2: us gets through, which keeps things at a medium. It's
[4:52] Speaker 2: almost like having a middle class an upper class, and
[4:56] Speaker 2: that balance between worlds right now. The hate keepers they
[5:00] Speaker 2: don't want to let go of any of the power
[5:03] Speaker 2: because if it's not in their hands, you know, they
[5:07] Speaker 2: can't you know, run them up. I mean a great
[5:09] Speaker 2: example of that. And I'm not in any way shitting
[5:12] Speaker 2: on Puff, but like so Rock was like his world.
[5:15] Speaker 2: You know, he built that brand to a whole another
[5:18] Speaker 2: thing and to be literally fired from it. But everything
[5:24] Speaker 2: Puff's associated with starts with that nucleus. Not only because
[5:28] Speaker 2: it made him, you know, one hundred million dollars a year,
[5:32] Speaker 2: but like, damn, imagine having But these are the people
[5:35] Speaker 2: in place. And then when you think you can speak
[5:37] Speaker 2: out and say the things you truly feel. I guess
[5:40] Speaker 2: he really felt like like that, you know what I mean,
[5:42] Speaker 2: But then to your world to stop. So that's what
[5:46] Speaker 2: I mean by like hate keepers, Like there are people
[5:48] Speaker 2: in pocket that will get rid of you and do
[5:50] Speaker 2: not need you for whatever reason, no matter how much
[5:52] Speaker 2: money you made them. So I guess I'm giving him
[5:56] Speaker 2: his props foray. But at the same time, you have
[6:00] Speaker 2: to be careful of that because we put too much
[6:02] Speaker 2: faith in people, and then we also don't really understand that, Yeah,
[6:06] Speaker 2: you can say what you want to say, you can
[6:09] Speaker 2: act how you want to act with there are consequences,
[6:11] Speaker 2: and we were not in a generation that feels like
[6:14] Speaker 2: there's any consequences. They just running amuck. They are.
[6:18] Speaker 1: That's so true, so true. I want to go back
[6:20] Speaker 1: to your upbringing. You're from d C. I had a
[6:23] Speaker 1: short stint in DC when I worked on Capitol Hill.
[6:27] Speaker 2: All politicians slash actress slash Yeah, come on, multi hyphenated listen.
[6:34] Speaker 1: I always say that d C was a place that
[6:35] Speaker 1: I found myself. I come from a very small town
[6:39] Speaker 1: and it gave me room to dream because there was
[6:43] Speaker 1: nothing else to do there. I could just dream and
[6:45] Speaker 1: I moved to d C after college, and that was
[6:48] Speaker 1: the place I really found. I found my sense of style,
[6:50] Speaker 1: I found who I was. I was by myself, away
[6:53] Speaker 1: from family, and I remember talking to Mary Hardwick and
[6:56] Speaker 1: he was saying, if you want to be an actor,
[6:58] Speaker 1: everybody says, go to school, go to acting school. Well
[7:00] Speaker 1: he said, I tell you to leave home. And I
[7:02] Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, you're right, because when I
[7:04] Speaker 1: left home, that's when she got rich. So I always
[7:07] Speaker 1: say d C is where I found myself. But you
[7:10] Speaker 1: grew up in d C. Tell me about that time,
[7:12] Speaker 1: like as a youngster, and like going to Howard and
[7:17] Speaker 1: running alongside you and Puffer school.
[7:20] Speaker 2: They're older than me. No, So I never went to Howard.
[7:28] Speaker 2: Jessica went to she graduated, but Howard.
[7:32] Speaker 1: Was shout out, jess we love your beautiful self.
[7:36] Speaker 2: Yes, she told me she love you, she's proud of you,
[7:40] Speaker 2: and she wants to come and all things.
[7:42] Speaker 1: So I wish she had brought her. Yeah, but y'all
[7:44] Speaker 1: got to come back over for this.
[7:45] Speaker 2: Absolutely, for y'all. You want to come Loveland first.
[7:50] Speaker 1: I want to come there first, Yes, so I can
[7:51] Speaker 1: see what she do set here.
[7:55] Speaker 2: Because she wanted her to come over here. No, but DC.
[8:00] Speaker 2: You know, first and foremost, d C is a melting
[8:03] Speaker 2: pot of all amazing things and so many cultures. Like
[8:07] Speaker 2: when I was growing up, I first heard Elvis Crestwall,
[8:10] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. With the Spanish side of
[8:12] Speaker 2: what you know was happening in DC, I learned about Felakute,
[8:16] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like with the whole African
[8:19] Speaker 2: you know diasporas, that's there, and then you know, then
[8:23] Speaker 2: there's d C. In d C, we have our own
[8:25] Speaker 2: formal music. Yes, we have our own sense of style.
[8:29] Speaker 2: Like I called d C the drive through because of
[8:31] Speaker 2: Howard University. Ironically, you know, people would come to d C,
[8:35] Speaker 2: go to Howard and then they would meet the DC
[8:36] Speaker 2: guy girl and stay, get married and have a life.
[8:42] Speaker 2: But yeah, they came to Howard and took a lot
[8:44] Speaker 2: of our style too. Like when you look at like
[8:46] Speaker 2: Herbie Lovebug and his whole movement that includes song Peppa
[8:49] Speaker 2: camp Play, all of it was go go. All the
[8:51] Speaker 2: music was go go, and so we don't get a
[8:53] Speaker 2: lot of credit. I called DC the drive through and
[8:56] Speaker 2: it's cool, you know what I'm saying. But we had
[8:58] Speaker 2: some bright spots. You know obviously in music and contribution
[9:03] Speaker 2: in the last couple of decades. But it's blessing coming
[9:06] Speaker 2: from DC because it was truly a melting pot where
[9:08] Speaker 2: I learned a lot of my superpowers.
[9:10] Speaker 1: Absolutely, I experienced my first go go that weekend that
[9:13] Speaker 1: we were in DC. He was like, we gotta go here.
[9:15] Speaker 1: So we went there and I was just like, and
[9:17] Speaker 1: I had lived in DC, it never went to a
[9:18] Speaker 1: like to a go go, I was mind blown.
[9:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a part talent also pocket musically, Yeah, and
[9:25] Speaker 2: you get it's like it's like, even if you don't dance,
[9:28] Speaker 2: you start your body. Yeah, don't let you see somebody
[9:32] Speaker 2: who like child, it's gonna be a I don't know
[9:35] Speaker 2: what type of dance that's called, but it's sexual.
[9:37] Speaker 1: It's very scent.
[9:39] Speaker 2: Right.
[9:41] Speaker 1: How did you go from? How did you even get
[9:42] Speaker 1: into party promoting?
[9:45] Speaker 2: So when I was a senior in high school, I
[9:47] Speaker 2: got locked up. My senior and I was a basketball
[9:50] Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't I wouldn't say I was a star,
[9:51] Speaker 2: but I was good and could have been great if
[9:54] Speaker 2: I chose basketball over the streets. But I was in
[9:56] Speaker 2: the streets, and you know, the year before that, my
[9:59] Speaker 2: junior I started going to light We got the fake Id's.
[10:01] Speaker 2: We started going to the Ritz and the Chicago's like
[10:04] Speaker 2: all the clubs, and I just loved the energy of
[10:08] Speaker 2: what it was. Puff was I think at Howard my
[10:11] Speaker 2: junior year, and they would do parties like at the
[10:14] Speaker 2: Opera and things like that. We were going. We were
[10:16] Speaker 2: in the streets, so we had a little bit of money,
[10:18] Speaker 2: Like who these young men? I know they really not,
[10:21] Speaker 2: but we had the fake IDs. So we were at all
[10:23] Speaker 2: the club and so it just became a good time
[10:29] Speaker 2: kind of thing. And then when I got locked up,
[10:31] Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I need to do something
[10:32] Speaker 2: because clearly I'm not going to be playing basketball anymore.
[10:37] Speaker 2: How can I make this money? So me and my
[10:40] Speaker 2: friend Garnet we had a fly Guy Promotions. We created
[10:44] Speaker 2: that my senior year and we tried to do this
[10:46] Speaker 2: one party where these parties were happening, so we kind
[10:50] Speaker 2: of slide in and take the energy from the place.
[10:52] Speaker 2: We knew a lot of people when we were kind
[10:54] Speaker 2: of smart a little bit. Anyway, the lights didn't work
[10:57] Speaker 2: the night or something power went out. We had all
[10:59] Speaker 2: these people, so I was like, wait, I can move
[11:01] Speaker 2: people like that. And my cousin simultaneously had been accepted
[11:05] Speaker 2: the Morehouse College. So fast forward a year. I couldn't
[11:08] Speaker 2: go anywhere because of my situation and tried to enroll
[11:13] Speaker 2: in junior college to play basketball. End up pushing somebody
[11:16] Speaker 2: out the air child. The bleachers cleared, and it was
[11:19] Speaker 2: a whole man lage. So it was like, Okay, I'm
[11:21] Speaker 2: gonna stop playing basketball for real, sup trying? He said,
[11:25] Speaker 2: come to freaknik And literally I came to freaking nineteen
[11:29] Speaker 2: ninety two and it changed my life. Freak wow, freaking
[11:33] Speaker 2: ninety two. I had had Howard University as my backdrop
[11:37] Speaker 2: growing up, but I had never saw so many black
[11:39] Speaker 2: people from all over the country that were just like
[11:43] Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. I think that era was
[11:46] Speaker 2: obviously the era that took hip hop to a trillion dollars.
[11:49] Speaker 2: I mean literally our generation took it to a trillion
[11:53] Speaker 2: dollar business. But we were like, we had so much opportunity.
[11:57] Speaker 2: There was so much going on. We were like, wait,
[11:59] Speaker 2: what is this? And then show enough. What didn't happen
[12:02] Speaker 2: in DC happened for me here in Atlanta.
[12:04] Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. So you worked your way into the
[12:07] Speaker 1: music industry and you had worked with from Biggie and
[12:12] Speaker 1: Puff to Jay Clark Kent as a marketer and strategist.
[12:16] Speaker 1: Tell Us, is there any stories that you can share
[12:18] Speaker 1: just about that journey, Like any funny, like something that
[12:20] Speaker 1: was crazy that happened that you could share. There wasn't Like.
[12:25] Speaker 2: I've shared a lot of them. But I think one
[12:28] Speaker 2: of the moments for me that really changed my life
[12:32] Speaker 2: was like I had been throwing parties in Atlanta. You
[12:34] Speaker 2: know the Big Puff you know fight that happened Freak
[12:39] Speaker 2: Nick ninety four. A lot of people know that story.
[12:41] Speaker 2: But after the parties, Andre Herrel was leaving Uptown to
[12:47] Speaker 2: start Motown and from bringing Clark Kent to Atlanta so
[12:54] Speaker 2: many times he asked me to go on the road
[12:55] Speaker 2: with him. So Clark would take me to Shaq's house.
[12:58] Speaker 2: Shaq would bring us every two weeks when he played
[13:00] Speaker 2: for the Orlando Magic, Like every two weeks, talent would
[13:04] Speaker 2: open for Clark. I would be on with Clark. I know,
[13:06] Speaker 2: it was crazy. And then so I'm moving around literally
[13:10] Speaker 2: the world with Clark and I'm on the mic, and
[13:13] Speaker 2: so Andre Herrel was leaving Uptown and Clark called me
[13:18] Speaker 2: and was like, yo, I just got seven fifty. This
[13:21] Speaker 2: man is paying white executive salaries, Like you need to
[13:25] Speaker 2: figure out how to get in Motown. I was like, okay.
[13:29] Speaker 2: How simultaneously, my parole officer called me and was like
[13:35] Speaker 2: I had a warrant, right, So they came to Atlanta
[13:36] Speaker 2: looking for me. Said I wasn't reporting. I'm like, you
[13:39] Speaker 2: get my paper, like when you said I don't know
[13:40] Speaker 2: what it is, I'm trying to figure out. I'm just
[13:41] Speaker 2: letting you know. So ironically, Andre Herrel was going to Washington,
[13:46] Speaker 2: DC and he wanted to do a party, and Clark
[13:49] Speaker 2: was like, this is the best way you could do it.
[13:50] Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'm kind of on the run, literally,
[13:53] Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like I got to get back
[13:54] Speaker 2: because Extra Dish was like six months. I was like,
[13:56] Speaker 2: let me get to d C because that's where the
[13:58] Speaker 2: charge was. So ironically saying weekend, I threw a party
[14:01] Speaker 2: for Andre Herral. He literally was like, you know, he
[14:05] Speaker 2: likes Don Piion, he likes women who look like Crystal
[14:09] Speaker 2: and Kayla and the crew, and please just get the thing,
[14:12] Speaker 2: you know, get the thing together. I think, no problem.
[14:13] Speaker 2: So at this time, Chris Webber, Juwan Howard Rashid Wallace
[14:17] Speaker 2: were all playing for the bullets. This is wild. I'm over.
[14:21] Speaker 2: So they were all like, you know, they were at
[14:23] Speaker 2: the you know, in their prime. And I threw a
[14:25] Speaker 2: party and literally, when I tell you, had a battle
[14:29] Speaker 2: of a couple of hours of pair waiting for her
[14:31] Speaker 2: and my friends. The way, I didn't get there yet.
[14:33] Speaker 2: I just wanted him to kind of come and be
[14:35] Speaker 2: escorted to his seat and be impressed by the time
[14:38] Speaker 2: I came in. This is the classic Andre herral poice.
[14:41] Speaker 2: He was like, oh, this slice skinned niggah. He was
[14:46] Speaker 2: just going on and on about what I had put
[14:49] Speaker 2: together and I'm talking about like party wise and ambiance wise,
[14:54] Speaker 2: and he was like, what do you do? And He's like,
[15:00] Speaker 2: your DC fly to look at your nigga. So I
[15:03] Speaker 2: was like, I'm Kenny Burns. I want you to have
[15:06] Speaker 2: a good time. Clark told me to take care of
[15:08] Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, nigga, what do do? And I
[15:14] Speaker 2: was like, I make it happen, you know period. Yeah,
[15:16] Speaker 2: Like what do you need next? You take you fly nigga,
[15:20] Speaker 2: Shit down, nigga next to the butter way these nixcuse
[15:22] Speaker 2: move up. Let this kick it up. I'm sitting down
[15:25] Speaker 2: and I'm just like, first of all, Uptown was the
[15:28] Speaker 2: soundtrack of my life. So as a kid, like you
[15:31] Speaker 2: think about I'll be sure a guy, you know, the
[15:34] Speaker 2: introduction of Mary J like Heavy D in the Boys,
[15:37] Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm sitting here with and like and
[15:39] Speaker 2: most people back then were, you know, overly impressed by
[15:43] Speaker 2: the exacutive. But I was like he was the one
[15:46] Speaker 2: to exactly long story short. He was like, look na
[15:50] Speaker 2: get to New York City and Monday morning hotown record Snick.
[15:53] Speaker 2: If you want to Nick, you got to show me
[15:55] Speaker 2: what you can do, say less. I was at eight am.
[16:01] Speaker 2: He didn't get into ten.
[16:01] Speaker 1: He came, It's like, oh sit the Snicker came this
[16:04] Speaker 1: flood DC flat Nigga with the butter Wabies some period.
[16:09] Speaker 2: The bubbles, and I was like, I want to work,
[16:13] Speaker 2: and he was like, what do you do? I said,
[16:15] Speaker 2: I'm good in the street. Put the snickas street team
[16:18] Speaker 2: market in give him sixty thousand a year. I was like,
[16:21] Speaker 2: word like me throwing you a party got me sixty
[16:25] Speaker 2: thousand a year old money, now, mind you. I mean
[16:27] Speaker 2: I probably was making more like you know, doing my
[16:30] Speaker 2: thing as far as the parties and stuff, but it
[16:32] Speaker 2: was like the opportunity to be in a building. But
[16:34] Speaker 2: when I got in the building, Crystal, it was lights out.
[16:38] Speaker 2: Joe Jacks, he gave me free ran. I went from
[16:40] Speaker 2: sixty to eighty to one twenty and a year and
[16:43] Speaker 2: a half and I was just getting opportunities. But you know,
[16:45] Speaker 2: for the first time in my life outside of Clark
[16:49] Speaker 2: Kent and my brother went to White you know wonder
[16:52] Speaker 2: But like he saw me and paid me. You know
[16:56] Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like he saw me. He's like, here's
[16:58] Speaker 2: the chat yet literally, and I was like, oh, okay,
[17:01] Speaker 2: this is the thing. So I went and ran Amunky.
[17:04] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I remember when he passed that I didn't
[17:10] Speaker 1: know the relationship that you had, but yeah, I remember
[17:13] Speaker 1: that affected you deeply.
[17:14] Speaker 2: No, deeply, And I think that that was the start
[17:16] Speaker 2: of the change in me too, just who I was.
[17:20] Speaker 2: I've always been who I am to this industry. But
[17:22] Speaker 2: it was me, not co signing anything else, not that
[17:26] Speaker 2: I ever co signed it, but being around it is
[17:28] Speaker 2: co signing and I want people to know that. You know,
[17:32] Speaker 2: I never walked to Brooklyn for cheesecake. That was never
[17:34] Speaker 2: in my DNA. But I also was around when bullshit
[17:38] Speaker 2: was going down and see I would have removed myself
[17:40] Speaker 2: because it was none of my business. But it is
[17:41] Speaker 2: my business, and that's that's where I am now. As
[17:44] Speaker 2: far as when I tell you, passion meeting purpose, like
[17:46] Speaker 2: I can't, nothing can go on checked anymore. Yeah, you know,
[17:50] Speaker 2: And that's what I think as a culture we need
[17:51] Speaker 2: to do more of. But speaking of when when Dre died,
[17:55] Speaker 2: like I was with Dre the last three years of
[17:57] Speaker 2: his life, and one of the saddest things was that
[18:00] Speaker 2: this man I met and you just heard the story
[18:02] Speaker 2: I told you, but this man I met has so
[18:04] Speaker 2: much reverence for and so much respect for who taught
[18:07] Speaker 2: me about art and how to you know, match it
[18:09] Speaker 2: all together. You know. It's one thing to have a
[18:12] Speaker 2: you know Bentley, but you're living in a condo. You know,
[18:15] Speaker 2: I'm talking about the three hundred four hundred thus one condole,
[18:17] Speaker 2: I know, not the p Yeah, your car costs so
[18:20] Speaker 2: much money. So it's like or looking the part and
[18:23] Speaker 2: not actually having it, you know what I mean. And
[18:25] Speaker 2: so I was going through this industry with blinders on
[18:29] Speaker 2: in the last three years of his life. Taught me
[18:31] Speaker 2: so much because not only did was he dying, literally
[18:34] Speaker 2: he had you know, had triple bypass surgery like years
[18:37] Speaker 2: before this, but he was looking different, he was acting different,
[18:40] Speaker 2: he was breathing different, and all this heart you know,
[18:42] Speaker 2: you had heart surgery, triple like the biggest shit. You're
[18:45] Speaker 2: black widow whatever they call it, the widow maker, you
[18:47] Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But you're going through all these things.
[18:50] Speaker 2: And at the same time, it hurts my heart because
[18:54] Speaker 2: he was not believing in himself like the man who
[18:57] Speaker 2: put all this shit in perspective for all of us.
[19:01] Speaker 2: He brought lifestyle to the game before Andre and I
[19:04] Speaker 2: would give Russell similar credit, you know obviously for run dmc,
[19:08] Speaker 2: deaf Jams, so forth and so. But Dre made it sexy.
[19:11] Speaker 2: Drey made it aspirational for everybody, not just the hood. Yes,
[19:16] Speaker 2: you could be you know what I mean, anybody, any
[19:18] Speaker 2: race and want to be the best version of yourself.
[19:22] Speaker 2: And I felt like he was the mean to a molecule,
[19:26] Speaker 2: like he was not himself. He was not poured into
[19:29] Speaker 2: I mean outside of me like O'Neil and Nathan and
[19:32] Speaker 2: like his immediate you know circle. But it was just
[19:35] Speaker 2: wild to me because someone who had all that fighting
[19:40] Speaker 2: to still be heard after all after that, Yeah, yeah,
[19:44] Speaker 2: it was crazy.
[19:45] Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, did he inspire you? You launched your
[19:47] Speaker 1: own record label and started a girl group. Dream was
[19:53] Speaker 1: andre a part of that inspiration.
[19:55] Speaker 2: He signed Dream Wow. Like every step like of the
[19:59] Speaker 2: way since I met him, he had been a major
[20:03] Speaker 2: piece to my puzzle, you know. And it's just ironic
[20:06] Speaker 2: how life is too right, like because we weren't given
[20:09] Speaker 2: a blueprint on how to do it right. We were
[20:12] Speaker 2: given a blueprint. It was fucked up shit in the
[20:15] Speaker 2: middle of that blueprint, like even thought process, Like I'm
[20:18] Speaker 2: in the club selling fantasy the first seven eight years
[20:22] Speaker 2: of my marriage, like you know what I mean, but
[20:24] Speaker 2: making women think they could have me and I go home.
[20:27] Speaker 2: But at the same time, now this person, now that
[20:30] Speaker 2: wasn't the shit to do. They gonna still won't you.
[20:33] Speaker 2: I put the shit on, I smell good. It's just
[20:35] Speaker 2: things that I offer. But you ain't got to be
[20:37] Speaker 2: in the touch yourself if you love yourself. Damn, getting
[20:41] Speaker 2: panis thrown at me, you know what I'm talking about.
[20:43] Speaker 2: But I just think they were taught these things. Yes,
[20:46] Speaker 2: Like we're literally taught that. You know, you're supposed to
[20:48] Speaker 2: have this and do this and move out, But no,
[20:50] Speaker 2: it's like the real things that really feel you, like
[20:55] Speaker 2: like fill your cup. Like I just think I had
[20:58] Speaker 2: learned all that in my processes versus you know, being
[21:01] Speaker 2: taught that early. Yeah, I love that.
[21:04] Speaker 1: And how long did it take? You talk about you
[21:08] Speaker 1: sould women in fantasy that can have you, but knowing
[21:10] Speaker 1: that Jessica had you. Oh you're saying yeah, but what
[21:14] Speaker 1: what was the transition of being like you know what
[21:17] Speaker 1: this seemed for me?
[21:17] Speaker 2: Like, let me start this, yeah, real talk. I didn't
[21:20] Speaker 2: want to be the old nigga in the club. I
[21:21] Speaker 2: was already the party king at forty. And I think
[21:24] Speaker 2: times have changed, right. You don't kind of look at
[21:27] Speaker 2: forty year olds fifty year olds like you did when
[21:29] Speaker 2: we were young. And honestly, our parents were tapping out
[21:32] Speaker 2: at fifty. They was like, okay, retirements and such, such
[21:34] Speaker 2: and such. They stopped dressing. They just it's like I'm
[21:38] Speaker 2: not yes, I'm not going fine, you can have it.
[21:41] Speaker 2: I think we have a little bit more zes for life.
[21:42] Speaker 2: We understand the value of life. We've created the industry
[21:46] Speaker 2: that we don't have to stop. There's transition as far
[21:49] Speaker 2: as like your creativity and how you want to show
[21:51] Speaker 2: up and you know, I feel like I didn't want
[21:56] Speaker 2: to be the old guy in the club. But then
[21:58] Speaker 2: also too, I wasn't in it musically anymore. I just
[22:02] Speaker 2: had a conversation the other day it was like, for
[22:04] Speaker 2: the first time in my life, I don't feel like
[22:05] Speaker 2: my post my my hand is on the postal culture
[22:08] Speaker 2: and not and I'm talking about young culture yea. Like
[22:10] Speaker 2: having that skill set my entire life kept me in
[22:13] Speaker 2: the game, yes, right, knowing what youngest to go getting that,
[22:16] Speaker 2: mind you, I do know how to spot ti talent
[22:19] Speaker 2: far and few in between. Every time a ten year
[22:22] Speaker 2: gap goes though, And I it's harder for me now
[22:26] Speaker 2: to come, oh you come, oh, let me get you
[22:28] Speaker 2: because ideals change, yes, values change, and what you want
[22:33] Speaker 2: in the game change, and because we don't have any
[22:37] Speaker 2: real gatekeepers anymore. Like I challenge all of my my
[22:40] Speaker 2: youngest that are like they're all vps and head of this,
[22:43] Speaker 2: that and the third, and I challenge like, would you
[22:44] Speaker 2: want your son listen to that bullshit you promote? Would you?
[22:48] Speaker 2: And it's not good now I have to write and
[22:50] Speaker 2: it's because no one is doing it. No, no one
[22:52] Speaker 2: is holding Like if you look at these We were
[22:54] Speaker 2: having a conversation on my podcast the other day. If
[22:57] Speaker 2: the Black executives walked out of these buildings and went
[23:01] Speaker 2: on strike until they were able to sign honestly what
[23:04] Speaker 2: they're passionate about or what was better or best for
[23:07] Speaker 2: our community, they would have to listen. Wow, because right
[23:11] Speaker 2: now they're searching for the op you know, they're searching
[23:14] Speaker 2: for the gang member, for young thug to be even
[23:17] Speaker 2: in the mindset he's in right now or was in
[23:20] Speaker 2: prior to even being a millionaire, having put people on
[23:24] Speaker 2: those amazing things with the hood, but yet you're still
[23:26] Speaker 2: with the bullshit, So what do you think is going
[23:28] Speaker 2: to happen? But we it's almost like us getting them
[23:31] Speaker 2: folding chairs. I remember them folding chairs, Right, We're gonna
[23:34] Speaker 2: come rescue, bubbing them. Goddamn, you ain't gonna just be
[23:38] Speaker 2: But at the same time, you got Ray Ray on
[23:40] Speaker 2: the corner selling a dope to your auntie.
[23:43] Speaker 1: You're not talking to him.
[23:44] Speaker 2: Your mom was on the pipe and Reggie responsible, So
[23:48] Speaker 2: we don't we're confused in our thought process. But that
[23:51] Speaker 2: was where I think I started to have Like when
[23:53] Speaker 2: I left the club. It wasn't because I don't love
[23:56] Speaker 2: people I mean officely, that host essence, our host, you know,
[23:59] Speaker 2: strength of a woman. I do all these amazing black
[24:02] Speaker 2: timpole events, right, and that's purposeful because I want to
[24:05] Speaker 2: be Alne like I love people. I do not want
[24:07] Speaker 2: to entertain. I'm the best to do it. I don't
[24:09] Speaker 2: have no records. I don't, but if any artist is
[24:12] Speaker 2: on the same stage, they're gonna think about, Okay, Kenny's here.
[24:14] Speaker 2: I gotta make sure I do the thing because this
[24:17] Speaker 2: nigga's gonna come out. Yes, do my song literally, so anyway,
[24:23] Speaker 2: I want to keep that energy. But I also want
[24:24] Speaker 2: to be who I'm supposed to be, not even just
[24:28] Speaker 2: for my family and my children, but for the people
[24:31] Speaker 2: that look to me. How am I gonna be outside
[24:34] Speaker 2: with a boot full of women and I'm married, you
[24:37] Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, that's not doesn't And I
[24:39] Speaker 2: was like that for a long time, not that I
[24:41] Speaker 2: was doing anything with anybody, but the look y'all was
[24:44] Speaker 2: in the boot. But it's like, yeah, but they don't
[24:47] Speaker 2: know what, Like our relationship is, how I wing y'all
[24:49] Speaker 2: and we had real, you know, camaraderie for each other
[24:53] Speaker 2: versus the look exactly.
[24:56] Speaker 1: That's a real thing, per perspective is everything and O
[25:00] Speaker 1: look at something like.
[25:00] Speaker 2: But they gonna look at it like, oh, he got off. No,
[25:03] Speaker 2: that's Pat, that's not me. That's Patrick Richard. That is
[25:06] Speaker 2: not me. Shout out, shout out, pushy pee man, one
[25:10] Speaker 2: of my favorites. Man. So but that's another thing too,
[25:13] Speaker 2: like when you look at life like who are you
[25:15] Speaker 2: putting it? Look at Pat? Now you know what I'm saying. Yes, yeah,
[25:19] Speaker 2: And that's what I'm most proud of. Things like that,
[25:22] Speaker 2: even you like speaking life in you or like whomever
[25:25] Speaker 2: I've come across has felt the energy and used it,
[25:28] Speaker 2: whether they did what I asked him to do or
[25:29] Speaker 2: told them they should do, They've taken a piece of
[25:31] Speaker 2: the energy and applied.
[25:34] Speaker 1: I love that you spoke about executives saying he would
[25:41] Speaker 1: I know you have two beautiful sons.
[25:46] Speaker 2: Make me cry, don't make me crazy crazy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[25:56] Speaker 2: My son, Kyle Burns graduated Wheel High School uh spring
[26:00] Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. He reported in June wasn't feeling well.
[26:05] Speaker 2: I think starting at the end of June, came home
[26:08] Speaker 2: a couple of times well, you know, not talking about
[26:10] Speaker 2: it because it was like I had X or whatever
[26:11] Speaker 2: I'm keeping moving. A good friend of the family and
[26:16] Speaker 2: actually the son of his high school coach died shooting
[26:20] Speaker 2: the hooch and drowned. And he came home for the funeral,
[26:25] Speaker 2: and literally the morning of the funeral, he couldn't get
[26:28] Speaker 2: out of bed and it was eight am. Took him
[26:30] Speaker 2: to the hospital one o'clock. He was in surgery. Had
[26:32] Speaker 2: a brain access that was caused by a science infection. Yep.
[26:37] Speaker 2: So if your babies are cold too long, sin and see,
[26:42] Speaker 2: go to the doctor. I never heard of anything like this,
[26:44] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I'm out of town,
[26:46] Speaker 2: get the call. He's in surgery. Just as like damn
[26:49] Speaker 2: the passing out on FaceTime. I'm like, wait, let me
[26:52] Speaker 2: get you know. So I was on the way and
[26:54] Speaker 2: you know, the first surgery they didn't get it all,
[26:57] Speaker 2: so they had to go to another surgery two weeks later.
[26:59] Speaker 2: So this is cutting his skull off of his head
[27:03] Speaker 2: and literally, you know, him being without a skull to
[27:06] Speaker 2: January fourth of this year, got a fake skull put
[27:11] Speaker 2: back on, and literally last Monday, he got home from Japan,
[27:17] Speaker 2: where he played his first three games in a row.
[27:20] Speaker 2: Not even the year August twenty seventh was the first
[27:22] Speaker 2: surgery last year, so not even a full year ago.
[27:28] Speaker 2: And he's a miracle. But you know it's I had
[27:30] Speaker 2: never been tested. And to be honest with you, I'm great.
[27:33] Speaker 2: You turn into a great interview. You want to add
[27:35] Speaker 2: this to your your chiron or whatever. But I literally
[27:39] Speaker 2: changed again, right like and for the better, because my
[27:43] Speaker 2: entire life I have blinders on, meaning like I would
[27:46] Speaker 2: compartmentalize everything literally though like literally, oh shit, put it.
[27:52] Speaker 2: I would feel it. I would feel it just so
[27:54] Speaker 2: I could oh shit, this okay, but I would put
[27:57] Speaker 2: it away. And I think us as black men and
[27:59] Speaker 2: black women, we do that because of what we have
[28:03] Speaker 2: to do. That mind you, this whole year, my son
[28:06] Speaker 2: was going through his thing, and I'm talking about this
[28:08] Speaker 2: was life or death. This wasn't like you know, this
[28:11] Speaker 2: was like he could go and I'm having to go
[28:14] Speaker 2: show up and host and you know, be this light
[28:16] Speaker 2: and be this energy. Right And to this day, a
[28:19] Speaker 2: lot of people still don't ask me. I mean, they
[28:21] Speaker 2: see him all, I'm glad he's all right, but they
[28:23] Speaker 2: have no clue what it took to show up every
[28:27] Speaker 2: time I gotta show up. But in saying that, though,
[28:31] Speaker 2: you know, people look at the burns, it's like they're
[28:33] Speaker 2: gonna be all right. And I'm sure a lot of
[28:35] Speaker 2: people out there feel this, like, oh they doing good,
[28:37] Speaker 2: they gonna be alright, And you know what we are,
[28:40] Speaker 2: and you know, I receive that and I take that
[28:42] Speaker 2: as a blessing. I don't try and judge, Or told
[28:45] Speaker 2: Jessica the other day, we judge everybody for their lack
[28:47] Speaker 2: of consistency. We would have no friends. Wow. But that's life.
[28:53] Speaker 2: And you're not supposed to put what you would do
[28:56] Speaker 2: on somebody else. You're just not supposed to do that,
[28:59] Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Because everybody can't handle what
[29:01] Speaker 2: you can handle and that's life and life be life
[29:02] Speaker 2: in child.
[29:04] Speaker 1: Hell during that time, I know, just naturally your faith
[29:09] Speaker 1: was stretched.
[29:10] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how like, how did you work through that?
[29:13] Speaker 1: Besides just keep.
[29:14] Speaker 2: Showing up pray you know, received all the prayer energy
[29:18] Speaker 2: from the warriors out there that had us, and never
[29:21] Speaker 2: really wavered from what was what was gonna be. You
[29:23] Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, because in life is either or
[29:25] Speaker 2: that's right, and that's drastic, but it's the truth, you know,
[29:28] Speaker 2: And we're getting older, we're gonna lose people y'all. Yeah, me,
[29:32] Speaker 2: every week, every week, Clarence Avanche is fact, Like every
[29:35] Speaker 2: week we're losing superheroes, We're losing family members. You know
[29:39] Speaker 2: that year my father died January first, twenty twenty two.
[29:43] Speaker 2: You know, Kyle had his surgeries, Kenny towards ACL you know,
[29:49] Speaker 2: diagnosis for friends with cancer like you just it's life,
[29:52] Speaker 2: you know. But one thing you cannot do is do
[29:54] Speaker 2: the war as me. That's right. You know, we gonna
[29:56] Speaker 2: catch haymakers, y'all. We gonna catch things and test our faith,
[30:00] Speaker 2: test our you know, abilities to continue. Like I was
[30:06] Speaker 2: telling him just the other day, how much money we got, right, okay,
[30:09] Speaker 2: paid everything and do okay, okay, cause I'm just you know,
[30:12] Speaker 2: you get tired. I'm not. And I said this the
[30:15] Speaker 2: other day and somebody was in you ain't quitting. You
[30:18] Speaker 2: can't quit. We need you, digg funk you're talking about
[30:21] Speaker 2: And so I'm not quitting. But I think, like you know,
[30:24] Speaker 2: to our conversation before we start the podcast, i'd rather
[30:28] Speaker 2: be heard. You know. This scene thing is, it comes
[30:31] Speaker 2: with a lot, and I'm not even what like I
[30:33] Speaker 2: don't do what you do, Like I'm not even you know,
[30:35] Speaker 2: rumored to have seen this, that and the third and
[30:37] Speaker 2: with this that and the third, and I don't I
[30:39] Speaker 2: don't have those. But I'm very you know, I think
[30:42] Speaker 2: I'm probably the most noticeable non celebrity in the world. Absolutely,
[30:45] Speaker 2: And I feel like though it gets heavy because you
[30:49] Speaker 2: only see the good time Kenny, and I'm tired of
[30:53] Speaker 2: being good time Kenny. I'm not tired of giving you
[30:54] Speaker 2: a good time. I'm not tired of the joke. Yeah, man,
[30:58] Speaker 2: come on, let me be humor.
[31:00] Speaker 1: Sh You don't want the expectation of every time you
[31:04] Speaker 1: walk in the room, all right, niggas.
[31:06] Speaker 2: Last tell And I'm not even commeding although my comedic
[31:11] Speaker 2: time and it's been amazing, it's very much so. You
[31:15] Speaker 2: know you are funny.
[31:17] Speaker 1: I know they can be annoying.
[31:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. You just wanted also to again a line.
[31:23] Speaker 2: You know, you you grow and evolve, and the things
[31:25] Speaker 2: that you adore you're no longer adore like you. I
[31:28] Speaker 2: adored the streets. I was so thankful for having learned
[31:31] Speaker 2: the things I learned. I'm still thankful, but I'm not
[31:34] Speaker 2: condoning anything else. Street like I would give the hustler
[31:37] Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt. But you gotta transform, my sister,
[31:40] Speaker 2: you can't continue. And then you know, we don't even
[31:43] Speaker 2: have honest hustlers anymore.
[31:45] Speaker 1: We got thieves literally, thieves and scammers.
[31:47] Speaker 2: Like, we got thieves and scammers, Like, where's the audacity
[31:51] Speaker 2: to hustle? Like, if you're in the street and you
[31:53] Speaker 2: got one way and you can get this amount, to
[31:56] Speaker 2: get this amount, I'm not going to head. Once you
[31:58] Speaker 2: get this amount, you have to do the thing. You
[32:01] Speaker 2: have to do the thing. And I know I've saved
[32:03] Speaker 2: so many lives because of my example, but not even
[32:06] Speaker 2: just my example, my actual tutele list. I've given people
[32:09] Speaker 2: the game. I've created opportunities for them to transition, but
[32:12] Speaker 2: like to know better and not do better. I just
[32:15] Speaker 2: can't go. Yeah, I can't go anymore. I love that.
[32:18] Speaker 1: It's the evolution of Kenny Burns.
[32:19] Speaker 2: I'm loving it.
[32:23] Speaker 1: You talked about having to show up and put a
[32:27] Speaker 1: smile on, especially when you're going through the things with
[32:29] Speaker 1: your son Kyle. I was just I had even Marcel
[32:33] Speaker 1: on recently and we were talking that morning before she
[32:38] Speaker 1: had pulled up. I was in my closet crying and
[32:39] Speaker 1: going through some things personally. And then you have to
[32:42] Speaker 1: wipe the tears off. Literally tell yourself, shake it off
[32:45] Speaker 1: and then go out and put it's on your face.
[32:47] Speaker 1: And that gets really heavy. And a lot of people
[32:51] Speaker 1: don't see that side of our lives, especially people who
[32:54] Speaker 1: are in the public eye. They think that everything is
[32:57] Speaker 1: just so sweet. And I try to I try to
[33:01] Speaker 1: be more transparent about the days that I'm not so
[33:05] Speaker 1: happy so that people can see that, oh, like she
[33:07] Speaker 1: doesn't have every day is not perfect for her either.
[33:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm gonna give you some advice with that.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Please don't share everything. And I say that because to
[33:19] Speaker 2: give people an opportunity to comment opens up a Pandora's
[33:23] Speaker 2: box sometimes, especially in our world, and I feel like,
[33:27] Speaker 2: you know, a trusted circle of people to springboard and
[33:30] Speaker 2: bounce things off of is the way to go. And
[33:33] Speaker 2: I would honestly encourage more of the mystique because you know,
[33:37] Speaker 2: to know you obviously, like I do, is to see
[33:41] Speaker 2: the inner light and the things that people don't get
[33:43] Speaker 2: to see all the time. But at the same time,
[33:44] Speaker 2: it's kind of cool that people don't even know all
[33:46] Speaker 2: the time and leave them guessing. Because one thing we
[33:49] Speaker 2: have to accept in our businesses they gonna talk child,
[33:51] Speaker 2: They're gonna have some opinions. Child, they're gonna just be like, okay,
[33:54] Speaker 2: but your fingernail polisch right, and life life, But we
[34:01] Speaker 2: can't control that, and know, should we put ourselves in
[34:03] Speaker 2: position to have to accept any of that?
[34:06] Speaker 1: You know?
[34:07] Speaker 2: And and and again it's about your circle. And I
[34:09] Speaker 2: know you've been you know, outside long enough to know
[34:13] Speaker 2: what you know, flawed individuals look like and then a
[34:17] Speaker 2: lot of them. And we all flawed ourselves at times.
[34:20] Speaker 2: But if you try to, you know, try to please
[34:26] Speaker 2: you being the people pleasing business instead of the crystal business.
[34:32] Speaker 1: That's so true.
[34:33] Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Thank you.
[34:34] Speaker 1: I appreciate nobody, oh nobody, nothing, Oh nobody talk about.
[34:42] Speaker 2: Family members, because let me tell you how life work.
[34:44] Speaker 2: It be your people, man, It be your own people.
[34:47] Speaker 2: It be your people people. And we don't choose certain
[34:50] Speaker 2: people as family or friends, but be your people. Yeah,
[34:54] Speaker 2: so you guys got to don't don't put them in
[34:56] Speaker 2: the box. The one thing I regret is, you know,
[35:02] Speaker 2: has nothing to do with that, but has everything to
[35:03] Speaker 2: do with as I matured in the business and I grew.
[35:07] Speaker 2: You know, we all chasing something, right, especially when you're
[35:10] Speaker 2: defining who you are. You don't know who you are
[35:13] Speaker 2: from the dough. It's the continuance of like figuring you
[35:15] Speaker 2: out in the process. You're making money, you have relationships.
[35:19] Speaker 2: The one thing man is like, when you have great relationships,
[35:22] Speaker 2: hold on to those relationships. A lot of things are circumstantial.
[35:27] Speaker 2: You know, a lot of things are circumstances. When you're
[35:29] Speaker 2: cool with the people you're around a lot in this moment,
[35:32] Speaker 2: but don't leave you know those friendships Now, real friendships
[35:35] Speaker 2: are going to be intact. I have all of my
[35:37] Speaker 2: friendships from day one and time. But a lot of
[35:40] Speaker 2: things gets confusing as you grow with these people in
[35:43] Speaker 2: your immedia circle aren't always your friends just because y'all
[35:46] Speaker 2: don't set and y'all doing these things and you're around
[35:48] Speaker 2: these people. You have to keep your core your core.
[35:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. And I recently have gone through
[35:53] Speaker 1: a pursing season where I realized that people had been
[35:56] Speaker 1: in my life for years weren't happy for me, and
[35:58] Speaker 1: it's like we started the same place and it's like
[36:00] Speaker 1: I'm ascending us in ascending and that person still where
[36:03] Speaker 1: we started, or they may have grown a little bit,
[36:05] Speaker 1: but not to the magnitude that I have. And it
[36:07] Speaker 1: becomes this jealousy and envy welcome.
[36:10] Speaker 2: Everybody can't go.
[36:12] Speaker 1: That's what my therapist said, everybody, literally everybody can't go.
[36:15] Speaker 2: I hope she said fuck them too. She didn't think nothing.
[36:19] Speaker 2: If you had a friendship, that's what I'm trying to tell.
[36:22] Speaker 2: You had a friendship, You're gonna be friends. If it
[36:25] Speaker 2: was never a friendship, it's going too rare. It's head.
[36:30] Speaker 1: Speaking of friendships now the world. On that topic, how
[36:33] Speaker 1: do you maintain and nourish the friendships as you built
[36:36] Speaker 1: in this industry? Because I know navigating this industry can
[36:39] Speaker 1: be caddy. You meet a lot of fake people. I'm
[36:43] Speaker 1: sure you want this, Yes, I want it.
[36:49] Speaker 2: I don't have many friends in this industry. I have
[36:51] Speaker 2: a lot of acquaintances. I have a lot of transactional relationships,
[36:54] Speaker 2: which is totally fun. I can count on one hand
[36:58] Speaker 2: how many friends I have in this industry. Wow, And
[37:01] Speaker 2: it's okay. But I think people should know that this
[37:04] Speaker 2: is a transactional world, not just business, not even sending.
[37:09] Speaker 2: Your relationships are transactional. But see, we don't understand that.
[37:12] Speaker 2: We don't understand the value, and that I understand thee
[37:14] Speaker 2: the value. The only thing that's changing with me. Now.
[37:17] Speaker 2: I understand the relationship are transactional, but I'm not gonna
[37:21] Speaker 2: fuck with you if you can't be aligned with my
[37:25] Speaker 2: purpose and passion. And it's not even as for sanity,
[37:28] Speaker 2: it's for association. You know. I don't know if you're
[37:31] Speaker 2: young as know, but they're creating this gang bill that
[37:35] Speaker 2: if you're affiliated, you're a part of the ship, just
[37:40] Speaker 2: like that. Absolutely wow. And you know I had said
[37:46] Speaker 2: something on an Earner Leisure podcast where I was talking
[37:48] Speaker 2: about a percentage you know, of crime went down. I'm
[37:52] Speaker 2: talking about like thirty percent of murders went down when
[37:55] Speaker 2: certain gang members got locked up. Wow. But guess what,
[38:00] Speaker 2: at the end of the day, something changed when that happened.
[38:03] Speaker 2: You have to change like that in your relationships, though,
[38:06] Speaker 2: if you're associated with people that are not good for
[38:10] Speaker 2: you or not aligned with what you're doing. I tell
[38:13] Speaker 2: my male partners all the time, Yeah you go, but
[38:16] Speaker 2: you know what you do, right, you know how you
[38:18] Speaker 2: get them? Okay, cool, as long as you know right.
[38:21] Speaker 2: But you're subject to like losing time. We don't have
[38:24] Speaker 2: time to get back, no, we don't. So any choices
[38:27] Speaker 2: that you make in that realm, you're sacrificing time. Time
[38:30] Speaker 2: is not it's fleeting, it's not on our side. We're
[38:33] Speaker 2: not here forever. Wow, they could change it could derail
[38:37] Speaker 2: your whole life.
[38:38] Speaker 1: Literally.
[38:40] Speaker 2: I bet that the executives was a part of the
[38:42] Speaker 2: ricos and on the murder cases they wouldn't sign.
[38:45] Speaker 1: They sure wouldn't be signing those. They would change what
[38:48] Speaker 1: the rabbits even rapping about.
[38:49] Speaker 2: I bet the entire world would change that one little
[38:52] Speaker 2: piece change.
[38:54] Speaker 1: Wow, that's so powerful, and I agree with you.
[38:57] Speaker 2: I do.
[38:58] Speaker 1: Did you watch Tyron Shout?
[39:02] Speaker 2: Episode inspired me so much? Was Black Side tied? It
[39:05] Speaker 2: was and it just showed you when they was fighting
[39:09] Speaker 2: off and then hugged.
[39:11] Speaker 1: Let's get literally, when the music changed that.
[39:13] Speaker 2: The chicken, the gray juice, every this is. This is
[39:16] Speaker 2: a real thing.
[39:17] Speaker 1: It's a real thing, and.
[39:19] Speaker 2: We are brainwashed every day. I'm intelligent, I have a
[39:23] Speaker 2: value of life spent and shared. But I'm still peeling
[39:27] Speaker 2: back the layers on the onion. I'm still saying, don't
[39:29] Speaker 2: like that nigga shit, get it, don't like that nigga shit.
[39:35] Speaker 2: You're leaving nigga them today, leave it fifty And I'm
[39:41] Speaker 2: still trying to get out of some of my ways.
[39:43] Speaker 2: But ladies in gentlemen, imagine the ones that aren't strong. Wow,
[39:47] Speaker 2: we're talking about le's. Let's do the ninety ten analogy.
[39:50] Speaker 2: Nine percent of the world is gonna participate, They're gonna follow,
[39:53] Speaker 2: They're gonna do everything that this small percentage doesn't. Even
[39:56] Speaker 2: in that ten percent, it's only probably two percent that's
[39:58] Speaker 2: willing to kill everybody to get the money. You know
[40:01] Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Because it happened, I believe I'm one
[40:03] Speaker 2: in the temper cent that cares. But I still ain't
[40:05] Speaker 2: willing to do certain shit. That's why I'm gonna be
[40:07] Speaker 2: where I'm at exactly, I'm gonna be where I'm at.
[40:09] Speaker 2: I'm the fining successful myself. You can had the rest.
[40:12] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I agree with that. Oh, unpacking, unpacking, killing
[40:19] Speaker 1: back the layers of the onion.
[40:20] Speaker 2: I love it.
[40:22] Speaker 1: How do you, even from a very young age, you've
[40:25] Speaker 1: been in this industry, how did you maintain integrity?
[40:28] Speaker 2: Shuit? I never walked the Brookly Cheesecake. I was never
[40:30] Speaker 2: gonna be put in a position where I was gonna go.
[40:32] Speaker 1: Through What would you be doing?
[40:34] Speaker 2: Come on? At that age has been a fist fight.
[40:37] Speaker 2: Fuck you talk too? You know what I'm talking about period,
[40:41] Speaker 2: But like now I think, like you know, we see
[40:45] Speaker 2: people dumbing out for the check. It ain't like rap music.
[40:49] Speaker 2: It ain't about the art. It's about money. Literally, give
[40:52] Speaker 2: me three hundred homes you can have my I saw
[40:55] Speaker 2: a whole interview where yo, god, he was talking about
[41:01] Speaker 2: three sixty deals are good, and he was talking about
[41:05] Speaker 2: streaming is good, and I'm like, like, first of all,
[41:10] Speaker 2: Napster happened to the business. Do you remember when Napster
[41:13] Speaker 2: in the business. That's what streaming eventually is. And then
[41:18] Speaker 2: they clone Tyrone and tality would be like they created
[41:21] Speaker 2: all that to get to this. And then you got
[41:23] Speaker 2: somebody who's one of the most successful in rap music
[41:28] Speaker 2: now saying that all this is good comes signing three sixties.
[41:30] Speaker 2: You know, three sixties deals take a percentage of everything
[41:34] Speaker 2: every ding, so I'm the label, so basically they fundling
[41:37] Speaker 2: the money back around to this. It's a complete circle.
[41:39] Speaker 2: It's a complete hamster wheel. But he literally one of
[41:44] Speaker 2: the biggest doing it, so people looking like, yeah, I'm
[41:45] Speaker 2: gonna do it three.
[41:47] Speaker 1: But as an artist, he probably wouldn't agree with.
[41:49] Speaker 2: That, not coming from anendent you were part of and Listen,
[41:56] Speaker 2: I ain't knocking nobody forgetting their hustle. Somebody gonna listen
[41:58] Speaker 2: to that, buying to it, you know. But as a
[42:01] Speaker 2: as a leader in the community, you have to be
[42:06] Speaker 2: responsible for the youngest. But I mean, you know is
[42:10] Speaker 2: what it is. I'm not gonna just be because I
[42:14] Speaker 2: feel a little spicy. You got some Uncle news. Tear
[42:18] Speaker 2: the industry down today.
[42:22] Speaker 1: Down it would change the world though.
[42:24] Speaker 2: No, Listen, we are in the precipice of black culture
[42:31] Speaker 2: right now, and if we don't burn down hip hop
[42:35] Speaker 2: music specifically and bring it back, we are at risk
[42:40] Speaker 2: of losing the soundtrack that has built three generations now
[42:45] Speaker 2: the soundtrack now. I don't think hip hop culture will
[42:48] Speaker 2: leave because there's industry now, fashion, lifestyle. But at the
[42:54] Speaker 2: same time we are in we are at risk of
[42:58] Speaker 2: losing a form of music. Do you remember rock music
[43:02] Speaker 2: with like the number one music in the world. Rock
[43:04] Speaker 2: music is an indie genre. Rock music and if you
[43:09] Speaker 2: look at pop music, it's emulated the best of hip
[43:12] Speaker 2: hop and made it theirs. You got Taylor Swift. Listen
[43:18] Speaker 2: to what I'm about to tell you. Everything Taylor do
[43:21] Speaker 2: could be pop leaning, but an energy and attitude it's
[43:25] Speaker 2: hip hop. It's hip hop culture, from the dances to
[43:29] Speaker 2: the audacity to be something. She not everything she represents.
[43:33] Speaker 1: But people don't.
[43:34] Speaker 2: Always like adhere to that because we get money now. Finally, yes,
[43:38] Speaker 2: well guess what if my generation took it to a trillion.
[43:42] Speaker 2: Your generation supposed to goddamn in systemic disparities in the
[43:48] Speaker 2: financial system that we got it to this point. Your
[43:52] Speaker 2: generation is supposed to make it equitable for black and brown.
[43:58] Speaker 2: There's no I mean, but now it's like slavery all
[44:01] Speaker 2: over again. Literally, no, literally, we're slaves. That these kids
[44:05] Speaker 2: are slaves. It ain't even spokes to weed no more.
[44:09] Speaker 2: They want to do the ship. They want to shut
[44:11] Speaker 2: the organs down.
[44:12] Speaker 1: Yes, it kills them.
[44:14] Speaker 2: You can't't gonna get no medicine that's gonna kill you
[44:16] Speaker 2: because you drink it every day. You're immune. Ye, But
[44:22] Speaker 2: these are things like that. This is where I am,
[44:24] Speaker 2: and I understand why people get button neckd and move
[44:26] Speaker 2: to the woods because life you get to take it
[44:29] Speaker 2: over your mindset and you'd be like, what, what what
[44:33] Speaker 2: is going on? And then you're looking at the political sphere,
[44:38] Speaker 2: you dumb excuse I'm sorry, because it's stupid because you
[44:43] Speaker 2: thinking not voting because it ain't gonna matter. Who is
[44:47] Speaker 2: getting drunk right now? Sy that's local state government. Yes,
[44:53] Speaker 2: you think it ain't gonna matter if you show up
[44:54] Speaker 2: to the polls. And the one I got him, Listen,
[44:57] Speaker 2: I don't know about the mother cases. Fanny got got him.
[45:01] Speaker 2: It's on tape. They not gonna go listen to me.
[45:04] Speaker 2: White people. And I love my white friends, and I'm
[45:06] Speaker 2: not talking to all white people, but white people are
[45:08] Speaker 2: in fear of losing their race. That's why you see
[45:12] Speaker 2: them bucking like they bucking. But guess what happened in Georgia,
[45:15] Speaker 2: the same thing that happened when we turn this blue.
[45:18] Speaker 2: When I was on air and y'all thought I was
[45:20] Speaker 2: crazy talking about why we should vote. Fanny got him. Yeah,
[45:25] Speaker 2: Fanny got him. He's not getting up out of that.
[45:29] Speaker 2: And all you cochin spiraits in a rico huh Ricoka
[45:35] Speaker 2: huh yeah, yeah, you get locked up to Rudy, you
[45:42] Speaker 2: old bastard. And I think he was essential in the
[45:46] Speaker 2: Rico bill, in creating the RICO. He was a part
[45:48] Speaker 2: of the day. But like y'all don't understand why vote.
[45:52] Speaker 1: Is important so important, They don't They do not love you.
[45:58] Speaker 2: So I love this.
[46:00] Speaker 1: Kenny is on fire.
[46:01] Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.
[46:03] Speaker 1: You have a very solid friendship with the Nice Yes,
[46:07] Speaker 1: how did that turn that friendship turn to business because
[46:09] Speaker 1: now you guys are like, it's almost like your own group.
[46:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, Nice and Burns is a real thing. Anytime we
[46:15] Speaker 2: link up, it's magic. I'm very proud of what he's
[46:20] Speaker 2: been able to do. I mean, I never would have
[46:23] Speaker 2: done Kennedy Center, Apollo, cannav Hall, I mean venues where
[46:29] Speaker 2: I mean not Apollo, but those other videos where black
[46:31] Speaker 2: people couldn't perform. You know, we actually did the Apollo
[46:36] Speaker 2: and one of the OG's. I think it's like seventy
[46:38] Speaker 2: somethings like this is one of the best performances that
[46:41] Speaker 2: the Apollo's ever seen. I'm like, shut up, I don't
[46:44] Speaker 2: even respect your old g bs. Shit, fuck you had Motown,
[46:47] Speaker 2: you had hip hop and the Earth. You mean if
[46:49] Speaker 2: this was one of the best listens. So I don't
[46:52] Speaker 2: you know think I would have got those opportunities without
[46:54] Speaker 2: my brother. So I'm proud. I'm thankful. I love what
[46:57] Speaker 2: he's created with his movement, and he deserves it, you know,
[47:02] Speaker 2: thinking something that's the fruition is what happened with d
[47:04] Speaker 2: Nights before the pandemic hit. He was already doing White
[47:08] Speaker 2: House and you know, the big black simpole against like
[47:10] Speaker 2: we were both doing together. But this thing he used
[47:14] Speaker 2: to say to me all the time, I want to
[47:15] Speaker 2: be the biggest black DJ plain black music. You know,
[47:19] Speaker 2: EDM was going crazy and everybody was two hundred thousand
[47:22] Speaker 2: dollars to show up, like yes, throwing all the UF
[47:24] Speaker 2: were getting paid. Do you just always say why I
[47:26] Speaker 2: want to be that? Yeah, I'm like we can, Yes,
[47:30] Speaker 2: we will get it by myself and I love it
[47:32] Speaker 2: and I'm happy for him and without him, you know,
[47:35] Speaker 2: we wouldn't have got through. It's so easy, especially when
[47:38] Speaker 2: you think about he said something, Crystal, I want to
[47:42] Speaker 2: be the biggest black DJ playing black music. Huh, where
[47:47] Speaker 2: do you go from there? Like? And you did it?
[47:49] Speaker 2: Did it like you were on an island with us
[47:53] Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, y'all doing it. But I
[47:54] Speaker 2: got the footage insert here.
[47:57] Speaker 1: Literally that was a fun weekend, man.
[48:00] Speaker 2: It was so beautiful. It was black and it was
[48:02] Speaker 2: excellent and we were fish out of water and literally
[48:06] Speaker 2: literally fish you know what I'm talking about. But like
[48:07] Speaker 2: in a different place and time in that moment was
[48:11] Speaker 2: for us. And that's the beauty that Ida has been
[48:13] Speaker 2: able to create for himself and we've been able to
[48:15] Speaker 2: create together. I love it. I love it.
[48:19] Speaker 1: You are an entrepreneur. You built your own empire. You're
[48:24] Speaker 1: not easily placing the box. You have the Kindy Burn show,
[48:27] Speaker 1: you do your mcne. Then you're an investor in Uncle
[48:30] Speaker 1: near'ss Cream Liquors.
[48:31] Speaker 2: Series A investor. Oh y'all, who keep asking me what
[48:35] Speaker 2: I do? Well? What you do with Uncle? I still
[48:38] Speaker 2: funded the initial funds.
[48:40] Speaker 1: I know that's tell them, hey, that's different.
[48:44] Speaker 2: And I started seventy five cent of shares now worth
[48:46] Speaker 2: twenty nine dollars.
[48:48] Speaker 1: Talk about it.
[48:49] Speaker 2: What you're doing, what you're doing with huh? Asked me?
[48:51] Speaker 2: Askally another motherfucker question. That's my first spirit investment. I
[48:58] Speaker 2: have four more. Okay, Uh, what's up do you have
[49:03] Speaker 2: as part of Spearhead Spirits which is a company just
[49:07] Speaker 2: gonna own ten percent? And his wife and we have
[49:12] Speaker 2: Elis Cream Locour, which is a Haitian kremos and spired
[49:15] Speaker 2: cream liqor we own t percent of that as well.
[49:18] Speaker 2: Love that.
[49:19] Speaker 1: I know that's right. I need to come. I need
[49:21] Speaker 1: to come to Loveland and get.
[49:25] Speaker 2: Yes, heating the grass and love. It's a thing.
[49:28] Speaker 1: I can't wait. I could not wait. I know this
[49:31] Speaker 1: business can be gruesome and having a hold of your
[49:34] Speaker 1: mental and emotional wellness is key. What does someone like
[49:38] Speaker 1: Kenny Burns do?
[49:40] Speaker 2: Do you do have a therapist?
[49:41] Speaker 1: Do you?
[49:42] Speaker 2: No? You know, y'all won't just judgement if you like to,
[49:45] Speaker 2: I don't know. Judgement, No judge me. I want you to.
[49:48] Speaker 2: I want you to be in the comments. I don't
[49:51] Speaker 2: really I think therapy is good. I think it's always
[49:55] Speaker 2: good to have someone to talk to to think about people.
[50:00] Speaker 2: To get paid for it, though, is that they won't
[50:02] Speaker 2: keep telling you shit to come back. It's just my observation.
[50:05] Speaker 2: It's just my observation. I have a wife, and my
[50:10] Speaker 2: wife is my therapist because she's also my biggest love hater.
[50:13] Speaker 2: So I don't never get the yes Kenny shit. You
[50:16] Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about? So I get the truth
[50:19] Speaker 2: and I need to hurt for truth sometime. I need
[50:21] Speaker 2: the shit that's gonna just giggle a spine because people
[50:25] Speaker 2: like to tell your things and try to ease it
[50:27] Speaker 2: on in you. You know what I'm saying pause. But
[50:31] Speaker 2: the thing about it is you need the truth. See,
[50:34] Speaker 2: you need the truth and not a matter of fact
[50:37] Speaker 2: truth and response to something you might ask in the
[50:39] Speaker 2: form of a question and answer. But you tripping. You
[50:43] Speaker 2: know you shouldn't have did that. Wow. So you know.
[50:45] Speaker 2: I believe in therapy with the people that I love
[50:49] Speaker 2: and I know love me the best and have my
[50:50] Speaker 2: best interest. I don't believe in like sitting down with
[50:55] Speaker 2: someone I don't know and need to get to know
[50:57] Speaker 2: and tell them about my problems immediately. Nothing that's bad.
[51:01] Speaker 2: And whoever does it if you find that you might
[51:03] Speaker 2: not have those relationships, it works. But yeah, and I
[51:07] Speaker 2: also don't take things so literally.
[51:10] Speaker 1: You know.
[51:11] Speaker 2: Again, I said that, I said earlier in our conversation
[51:14] Speaker 2: that this is a transactional world as far as relationship
[51:18] Speaker 2: is concerned, and I'm okay with that. I used to
[51:21] Speaker 2: get a little bit annoyed when people I felt I
[51:25] Speaker 2: loved important to didn't love important to me back human quality.
[51:31] Speaker 2: But I don't really take anything too personal. I'm damn
[51:34] Speaker 2: sure not about the dwelling it, that's right. Yeah, I
[51:37] Speaker 2: gotta get to it. I don't have a lot of time.
[51:40] Speaker 1: You don't know none of us. No, we don't. I
[51:44] Speaker 1: see that you work out a lot.
[51:46] Speaker 2: You know where to take this? Another fact that face
[51:53] Speaker 2: to put it against some fifty old bodies and it
[51:56] Speaker 2: don't have me show you my nipple. They got a
[51:58] Speaker 2: little thing under it. Yes, let's call her. You know
[52:02] Speaker 2: I'm talking about not just you know what, before my
[52:06] Speaker 2: fortieth birthday, I decided that health as well. You know,
[52:11] Speaker 2: I lived life for a living and the things that
[52:13] Speaker 2: come with it, so you got to have balance.
[52:15] Speaker 1: No, you definitely have to have balance, you do. We
[52:18] Speaker 1: touched on your family, but your wife, who I just adore.
[52:21] Speaker 1: Fun fact I hadn't she is. I had never met
[52:26] Speaker 1: Jessica until the season one premiere of Sisters. Really yeah,
[52:31] Speaker 1: you all came together, but downtown. Yes, I would always
[52:34] Speaker 1: see her, like on your Instagram and just the way
[52:37] Speaker 1: she carried herself without even knowing her. When I got
[52:41] Speaker 1: when I finally got to meet her, I just pulled
[52:42] Speaker 1: her aside and I just want to tell you, like,
[52:44] Speaker 1: when I look at you, I'm like, that's how I
[52:46] Speaker 1: want to carry myself. Oh my gosh. She is just
[52:48] Speaker 1: And then once I got to know, I'm like, oh
[52:50] Speaker 1: my god, she's amazing. Yeah, but like just the way
[52:53] Speaker 1: that she her presence is without saying a word.
[52:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's it's a superpower of hers. I
[52:58] Speaker 2: always say that Jessica could care less about all this
[53:03] Speaker 2: energy everybody loves. She could care less, and it doesn't
[53:06] Speaker 2: impress her. The people I know, the you know, I
[53:09] Speaker 2: remember leaving Sean Colme's Winding Spirits I started, I launched
[53:14] Speaker 2: a vault twenty thirteen, moved them to la I remember that, yeah,
[53:17] Speaker 2: and so you know storytime, and so we were literally
[53:23] Speaker 2: I used to go to work telling her how I
[53:24] Speaker 2: might fight him the damn well close this door, one
[53:27] Speaker 2: person walking out, And it got to the point was
[53:29] Speaker 2: like I'm leaving, right and so I never forget. I
[53:32] Speaker 2: literally went and met with the O d SMS love
[53:37] Speaker 2: her to death, and I told Andre, I was like,
[53:39] Speaker 2: I'm leaving. I can't because it's just ego at this point,
[53:42] Speaker 2: it's not even work, you know what I mean, Like
[53:44] Speaker 2: I can't even get off the superhero shit that I
[53:46] Speaker 2: got to get off. And so I'm glad I did
[53:50] Speaker 2: because two months later I got the Uncle Neary's deal,
[53:52] Speaker 2: so look at God. But I had literally went home.
[53:58] Speaker 2: I told her, I was like today you know, I quit.
[54:01] Speaker 2: I've been telling you I'm quitting. And she's like, all
[54:03] Speaker 2: right with they paying you? And I was like, you
[54:06] Speaker 2: know what, I didn't even talk about that because I'm
[54:09] Speaker 2: the type of person I walk away from eight gazillion
[54:12] Speaker 2: dollars because I don't feel right. She said, you need
[54:14] Speaker 2: to call them and figure out this bag, because you know,
[54:17] Speaker 2: moved your family out here. Yeah, now, mind you. I
[54:21] Speaker 2: probably would have got to that a day or two later,
[54:22] Speaker 2: but it was fresh, and she was like, don't let
[54:24] Speaker 2: that shit get to date.
[54:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[54:27] Speaker 2: But that's what I love most about it, because it's
[54:28] Speaker 2: all the way it always has been about what's best
[54:31] Speaker 2: for us as a family. And she's never away with
[54:33] Speaker 2: relationships or you know, been impressed with the ship. You know,
[54:37] Speaker 2: I can't. I couldn't have had that, you know what
[54:39] Speaker 2: I mean. And then she has her own like she's
[54:42] Speaker 2: getting the Masters from Howard and she has her own
[54:44] Speaker 2: things she does for her that not only keeps me like, damn,
[54:48] Speaker 2: you're getting Doper? Like how you get Doper? I told
[54:51] Speaker 2: her to that. I said, I don't even know what
[54:52] Speaker 2: love is. I think I need a stronger word because
[54:56] Speaker 2: a level of appreciation and when you have kids go
[54:59] Speaker 2: through what we went through this last year with our
[55:00] Speaker 2: youngest son, and just who we are the people we
[55:03] Speaker 2: we in first class the other day. I didn't mean
[55:05] Speaker 2: to say first class like it was a thing. But
[55:07] Speaker 2: we on a plane and this guy and I want
[55:11] Speaker 2: to know who you are, sir. He in a masked
[55:13] Speaker 2: glasses hat, but he black. He got you know, he goes,
[55:18] Speaker 2: you know, he knows something about something. So we get
[55:22] Speaker 2: separated because I didn't pay attention to the ticket. So
[55:25] Speaker 2: she's sitting in three A. I'm sitting in three D.
[55:28] Speaker 2: And we get off the plane and the goud says
[55:32] Speaker 2: to me, Yo, keep going, man, I love you know
[55:35] Speaker 2: what you're doing, and mind you, I get this and
[55:38] Speaker 2: I love it and thank you. Please don't right because
[55:41] Speaker 2: knowing that I affect you and this is not part
[55:43] Speaker 2: of the shit. Good time, Kenny. Shit, this is what
[55:45] Speaker 2: you're doing on your podcast. How you're showing him in
[55:47] Speaker 2: culture with your family.
[55:48] Speaker 1: Shit.
[55:49] Speaker 2: He lives like that. And so we're walking the things.
[55:51] Speaker 2: Just was like, you know, he was sitting next to
[55:52] Speaker 2: me when I sat down, he was like, thank you
[55:54] Speaker 2: for what you and your husband doing. We get this
[55:56] Speaker 2: stuff though, and it's like for us we're being us right,
[56:00] Speaker 2: and yes we're trying. The black love thing was intentional.
[56:03] Speaker 2: Jessica doesn't do anything she's been offered Housewives since season two,
[56:08] Speaker 2: she's been offered they want to do love and hip
[56:10] Speaker 2: hop and land around me and my crew, Like, we
[56:12] Speaker 2: just turned down things because it wasn't about that. Yes,
[56:15] Speaker 2: and now that we're older, people are like, yo, this
[56:18] Speaker 2: is the thing. Thank you because seeing I will be
[56:21] Speaker 2: twenty four in October, will be twenty four years married.
[56:24] Speaker 2: Wow in October, I'm fifty. That's half my life. Yes,
[56:28] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So you look at that
[56:29] Speaker 2: and you're like, the things that were innately us, the
[56:33] Speaker 2: things that she poured into me and that I poured
[56:35] Speaker 2: into her are where people love most about it. It's
[56:38] Speaker 2: not any of the accomplishments. Obviously we had to get
[56:41] Speaker 2: there through what I did in the industry. But the
[56:44] Speaker 2: light has, you know, turned on the things that matter most,
[56:48] Speaker 2: which is the tide of my new book What matters
[56:50] Speaker 2: most book together, Like Tyler, I'm here, Tyler. If you
[56:58] Speaker 2: see this and you're inspired, I'm here, brother, You know
[57:00] Speaker 2: what I mean. That's something that we could do definitely,
[57:03] Speaker 2: But I think that's what life's about, what matters most.
[57:06] Speaker 2: You can't go through life and think that it's material
[57:10] Speaker 2: things or being in a certain relationship pool that's going
[57:14] Speaker 2: to define you and your success. You have to define
[57:16] Speaker 2: it for yourself and ultimately you have to grow into
[57:19] Speaker 2: it too. We get lost and it's gonna be this
[57:21] Speaker 2: way immediately. No, you know how long it took me
[57:23] Speaker 2: to get here. I'm still. I just told you, I'm
[57:24] Speaker 2: peeling them layers back. Yes, still. I want to not
[57:27] Speaker 2: be a nigga. I want to not say the word nigga,
[57:29] Speaker 2: but I can't stop saying nigga because sometimes niggas.
[57:36] Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. Sh Listen.
[57:39] Speaker 2: We all works to progress, y'all. We are. Ain't nobody
[57:43] Speaker 2: better than the other. We might know more than use.
[57:44] Speaker 2: So sometimes you need to listen. But you see, sometimes
[57:51] Speaker 2: you need to need to listen. That's because I'm.
[57:54] Speaker 1: Listening and you are, and I'll see how you're growing.
[57:58] Speaker 1: You're listening an your life. You're peeling back layers. It's beautiful.
[58:02] Speaker 2: It is.
[58:03] Speaker 1: Jessica Has she's the author of a book called Golden Guidance.
[58:06] Speaker 1: I actually have a copy of it, and it's a
[58:09] Speaker 1: book of reflections of self love, faith, heally and growth.
[58:12] Speaker 1: Being that you both are entrepreneurs, how do you guys
[58:14] Speaker 1: balance and support each other's vision and growth?
[58:18] Speaker 2: Great question, Well, first of all, little story times. She
[58:21] Speaker 2: gave me acts of faith when we first started dating,
[58:23] Speaker 2: really the Book of Faith by and I don't read.
[58:29] Speaker 2: Of course I read, but I'm not a you know.
[58:32] Speaker 2: I would read this book and I'm like, oh shit,
[58:34] Speaker 2: And so that kind of started defining who we were
[58:36] Speaker 2: going to be. So it was pouring into right, like
[58:40] Speaker 2: and support again, I quick comes winding spirit. I was
[58:44] Speaker 2: making a lot of money and she was like, all right,
[58:46] Speaker 2: let's go. The other day I was like, how much money?
[58:48] Speaker 2: I told you? And she's like, what you want to
[58:50] Speaker 2: sell all this property and just get moved to a
[58:51] Speaker 2: what you want to do? I'm like, because we almost
[58:53] Speaker 2: in pian nests almost yeah, but it's like, do you
[58:57] Speaker 2: you know, it's like what you want to do because
[58:59] Speaker 2: you prove in a relationship who you are in a relationship. Yeah,
[59:04] Speaker 2: don't let it go over your here and people a
[59:06] Speaker 2: lot of times don't know the value of proving yourself
[59:09] Speaker 2: to your partner. But once you get on that plateau,
[59:13] Speaker 2: that plane, like when you get on that little like
[59:16] Speaker 2: plain field, and it's even it's no more proving, it's
[59:20] Speaker 2: everything you wanted to be. And yes, in relationship, you
[59:23] Speaker 2: have to prove yourself to your partner. How do you
[59:24] Speaker 2: think you're gonna gain trust? How do you think you're
[59:26] Speaker 2: gonna get to a certain point in life together? Because
[59:29] Speaker 2: guess what all the reasons people don't stay together is
[59:31] Speaker 2: because they grow apart. You got to grow together. And
[59:35] Speaker 2: so we've always been in tandem like that. And even
[59:38] Speaker 2: when she didn't understand, she trust. She trusted I would
[59:43] Speaker 2: get it together, and I took the responsibility because that's
[59:46] Speaker 2: who I am. But you have to have yin and yang.
[59:49] Speaker 2: Everybody's not gonna be able to be you know, the
[59:52] Speaker 2: one who makes the money you can't like. Seldom do
[59:54] Speaker 2: I see relationships a big shot to the ones that do.
[59:57] Speaker 2: I admire you, but sell do you see where like
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: the money is equal, but the value is not money
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: in a relationship, the value is not money, It is
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: what are you doing for your family? How are you
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: progressing as a unit? And that's where people go. My career,
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: I'm a sacrifice all this shit what I got to
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: do because I ain't no, it's not a conducive traits
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: for a relationship. You gotta be in tandem. And I
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: think the fact that we've been in tandem, the fact
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: that she's supported everything I've ever wanted to do. I've
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: supported everything she wanted to do. But this one time, child,
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: she want to do hair. You just twelve hours a
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: day gone. But she learned from it, you know. And
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: that but that's how you grow. You don't just it's
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: not magic. It don't just be magical all the time.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: You got to go through some things. But quitting, quitting
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: is what people think is the answer a lot of times. Wow,
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: you know, and if you friends, I won't say this.
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: If you friends, you might want to work that ship
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: out because if your friends, you really there's nothing you
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: really can't get over right.
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: Wow, that's real.
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: I needed that.
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: You know.
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: I'm here, baby. You know, God has a mysterious way
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: of showing up.
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: He really does know you really just spoke to.
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: It to be three people. It be goddamn humming bird,
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: show up at your window. Whatever it is. You got
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: to pay attention to the sign.
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: It could be kats on your couch just dropping.
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: Because I'm comfortable. All I need is a God damn
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: a Sai ball. This is too comfortable. What were watching next?
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: For me? Satima?
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: Right soon? I can't talk about that because you're on strike.
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: He said that I didn't it.
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I strike. Oh yeah, like we.
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: Literally cannot talk about past, present, future projects really nothing.
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm talking about it. Goddamn the tyler. What
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: I wont to happen is uh.
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: We talked about your investments. How did you even in
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: our community? I mean even for me, like I'm just
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: getting into it, learning about it, still trying to understand
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: the contracts, especially when you get into it early before
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: it goes public. Can you just tell us a little
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: bit about that just for our community even understand How
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: do you get into investment?
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah. How I got into investment in Spirits was
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: that I was in Spirits before I became an owner.
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: I was in the clubs heavy and you remember the
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: Great Goose Day. So I created influencer programs that all
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: Spirit companies you. I feel like I was the data
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: for that because I don't know if you remember my
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: thirty fifth birthday part of the Vasace mansion, you might
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: not have been outside outside yeah yeah, but I had
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: had more Tennessy paid for the entire thing, So all
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: of my best friends and I stayed in the Maasace
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: mansion except Gianni's room because yeah, the dead was thirty
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: five feet long, and you just oh wow, yeah, it's
[1:02:57] Speaker 2: kind of the energy look. So but that party kind
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: of put me on the map of like, how is it?
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: How does this non celebrity bring all these people? So
[1:03:10] Speaker 2: there was how to manage it? And then one pointing,
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: how do we spend two hundred thousand dollars on this
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: party for this non celebrity?
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: Wow.
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: So that's when they were kind of flirting with the
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: idea of people outside of celebrity having access and being
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: able to move the needle. So then fast forward, Grey
[1:03:27] Speaker 2: Goose wanted to go against the Sorak flavors and came
[1:03:30] Speaker 2: to the market and was like, look, we have Laurente Lapoix.
[1:03:34] Speaker 2: We want to get into the you know, the I'm
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: sorry but in the flavors game, but we want to compete. Yes,
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: They're like, we're gonna give you this opportunity, and what
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: you do with the opportunity, will you know? Tell our future?
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: Together went up four hundred and ninety eight percent. WHOA
[1:03:49] Speaker 2: in the market in six months. But I was it
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: was cheat. It was cheating. I had the world famous
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: compound all the club. I'm at the table y'all in
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: the movie Popping. Then of course that world famous thing
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: happened with Puffer. He came and through ice at us
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: in my booth. I was like, fuck, y'all likes getting niggas, y'all,
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: ain't ship y'all, We're not supporting so roccacause we got
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: our own sh like so, but anybody else you can
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: go to YouTube child. Yeah, I just came home from
[1:04:15] Speaker 2: having the root in his trunk. It was a whole thing.
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: So yeah. But it was those things that kind of like,
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: you know, kept me kind of wanting to be an owner.
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: And then when I went to launch for Volt Television,
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: I told you I transferred into the Cones Wine and
[1:04:30] Speaker 2: Spirit side, so you know, Apple Sorok was my launch,
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: main goals, my launch, Wow DeLeon tequila was my launch.
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: And then after things didn't work out, you know, I
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: just kept my you know, arms open to receive. And
[1:04:45] Speaker 2: because I was in the spirit world, you know, my
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: reputation preceded me. And someone came to me and was
[1:04:52] Speaker 2: like on a golf course, which I do not golf
[1:04:56] Speaker 2: until now the ping but yeah, but yeah, they were like,
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: I'm investing. It was a VC group that was investing
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: in Uncle Nears was like, you have to meet this
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: woman phone and I was like, yeah, I had no
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: idea how dynamic she was. I was like, sure, So
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: I go and meet her in Nashville, go to Shelbyville.
[1:05:17] Speaker 2: So I go to Lynchburg. First walked the hollow land.
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: The original bottle actually off Uncle Near's has a house
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: on the front. It's called the dan Call Farm. Farn
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: bought that farm underneath Jack Daniels. No, she was telling
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: me this story and all this gangster shit she was doing. Wow,
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: that's why to this day she always lasts like you gangster.
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: So she bought that. She you know, took me through
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: the storytelling we sip water from the original creek that
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: Jack Daniels was making whiskey. So it was going through
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: this whole thing, and by the time we got to
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: where it was an equestrian ranch that is now Nears
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: Green Distillery, she was talking about, you know, we just
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: bought this too, were gonna build this still. So I'm like, yeah, man,
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: what's up. I want ten percent of the company. It's like,
[1:06:03] Speaker 2: I can't give you ten percent of the company, but
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: I give you some shares that you will just fall
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: in love with. And I was like, all right, cool.
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: She called me a week later, she was like, here
[1:06:11] Speaker 2: are the shares. I had never been offered anything in
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: my life. Yeah, when someone says, you know, a couple
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: hundred thousand, she's like, oh, yeah, of course ownership. Yeah, yes,
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: remember when I said earlier about the seventy five cent
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: versus twenty nine. So then I was like, you know, cool,
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: But my job was kind of like you know, you
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: remember we did the breakfast club together for all. We
[1:06:33] Speaker 2: did that whole run, and you know, our Instagram started
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: going crazy. But the beauty of that entire investment was
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: that not only was it history, but I met like
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: someone I wanted to be like, like I wanted to
[1:06:44] Speaker 2: be like Andre. Yeah, and she's younger, She's like four
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: years younger than me, I think. But like I just said, like,
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: I called my spirit in them because it's like you
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: a cold, motherfucking drop out. You fucking like took your life,
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, put it in a choke
[1:07:02] Speaker 2: hold and did what the fuck you wanted with it.
[1:07:05] Speaker 2: I mean you look at like I'm talking about day one,
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: like they had the brand concept and idea, but they
[1:07:09] Speaker 2: hadn't launched anything. Yeah, I was there day one.
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: That's amazing.
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, look at her growth and who
[1:07:15] Speaker 2: she is, the culture and what it was. She just
[1:07:17] Speaker 2: opened my eyes to a different way of doing business.
[1:07:20] Speaker 2: From that, Elis Cream came through our incubator program at
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: Uncle Niar's. That's not through our program, but farm Line
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: invested independent of the incubator program. Also, the Spearhead Spirits
[1:07:33] Speaker 2: opportunity came through the incubator program, which they passed on
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: because they already brought into a gin, but that came through.
[1:07:40] Speaker 2: So she's been the gift that keeps on giving in
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: a relationship, you know kind of way. We're more brothers
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: and sister. We don't do a lot of business. I mean,
[1:07:48] Speaker 2: you know she is gonna announce very soon. Damn, I
[1:07:51] Speaker 2: was just about to see it. I'm glad I didn't
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: move my mother, But she just made a play. That's
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: I mean, she'll be the seventh largest spirit company in
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: the world eventually. Play. Yeah, and that's like ironic. Six
[1:08:06] Speaker 2: years yeah, seven years, seven years. So yeah, it's just
[1:08:12] Speaker 2: been a blessing. And I'll continue to align myself, back
[1:08:16] Speaker 2: to your original question, with things that are part of
[1:08:19] Speaker 2: what I do. I suggest any entrepreneur, you know, align
[1:08:23] Speaker 2: yourself with things you love. Align yourself with things that
[1:08:26] Speaker 2: you're actively doing. Eventually, when I don't drink, I think
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: I'll probably stop drinking one day I sell my portfolio.
[1:08:34] Speaker 2: But I'll always align myself with things that I'm passionate
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: about that really, because those are the things that have
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: work for me. I'm not one to just I mean,
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: Jessica dabbles with stocks and our portfolio on that side,
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: but she's very you know, strategic about what she's doing.
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: So I don't really suggest doing anything you don't love.
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: I would be very passionate about it, and I would,
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: you know, because being passionate means you want to know
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: about it and stay up on it. That's the big
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: deal when it comes to investing. I love that.
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, Kitty. I appreciate you. No,
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: it's going to go crazy, guys, thank you so much.
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: We do what we call positive outcomes, and this is
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: where they write into us and ask us for advice,
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: and we just given the best we can absolutely and
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: says Hey, Crystal, last year I saw your BMW Uncorked
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: interview and it literally changed my life. I was having
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: a really tough time dealing with a career that I
[1:09:37] Speaker 1: knew wasn't for me, especially knowing that I was meant
[1:09:40] Speaker 1: to be doing something more. You talked about pivoting careers
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: and being in the season of pouring into yourself, which
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: is something that I need to work on. But I
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: believe God often uses people to speak to others, and
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: that day he definitely used you to speak to me,
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: because that was the moment I felt this flooded. This
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: was a flood of emotions and a voice that said
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: that it was okay to go after my dreams of
[1:10:01] Speaker 1: being a graphic design or video editor. And that feeling
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: hasn't gone away. But in pursuing my passion, I'm finding
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: my purpose of life has been turned upside down on
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: multiple occasions. I swear it seems like every time I
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: turn I start to gain momentum and there's a major
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: life event that happens, a divorce, multiple death in the family,
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: losing my job, you name it, then knocks the wind
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: out of me. Sometimes I feel like, I'm so close
[1:10:25] Speaker 1: to my breakthrough yet so far away been there. So
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: my question to you is how do you find strength, motivation,
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: and the courage to continue pursuing your passion, walking your
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: purpose during those moments when it feels like everything is
[1:10:38] Speaker 1: stacked against you?
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: Wow oof.
[1:10:43] Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for writing in and when
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: I always tell this story when I moved to Atlanta
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: to pursue my dreams. It was the hardest year of
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: my life and if I had have given up, I
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: wouldn't be where I am today. But there was moments
[1:10:57] Speaker 1: where I did and where I just like, am I
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: doing the right thing? That I make the right decision.
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: But I feel like when God plants succeed in you
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: and you know that's what you're supposed to do, you
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: have to keep pushing through it. I know it's hard
[1:11:10] Speaker 1: with dealing with I don't know what it's like to
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: deal with a divorce, but I know that's not something
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: that's easy to navigate, and then dealing with a loss
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: in family and losing your job, that's a lot. But
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: I think if this is something that you really want
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: to do, just keep working at it, honing in on
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: what it takes to be the best graphic designer and
[1:11:29] Speaker 1: video editor that you can be. But like I say,
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: anything worth getting is not going to be easy.
[1:11:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think? I think you should also
[1:11:39] Speaker 2: try and define success for yourself. I think a lot
[1:11:43] Speaker 2: of times we put unnecessary pressures on ourselves, We put
[1:11:46] Speaker 2: unrealistic goals on ourselves. And a lot of things that
[1:11:50] Speaker 2: I find is people don't really appreciate the journey. And
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: you have to appreciate the journey you cannot possibly get to,
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: you know, fulfilled all of your dreams, not appreciating each
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: individual small win. So maybe try just like peeling back,
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: you know, or pulling back, assessing what your goals are
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: and what you want to do and find happiness and
[1:12:13] Speaker 2: the things that you can complete and accomplish. You know,
[1:12:15] Speaker 2: we sometimes just we have this lofty goal of like
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: we should be here or things are gonna be perfect
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: or not, and we're gonna go through things. So and
[1:12:23] Speaker 2: if you're present in those moments, you're gonna feel things,
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: You're gonna go through the disappointment, you're gonna go through
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: all the things. But at least you have realistic goals
[1:12:31] Speaker 2: that are obtainable, because the dreams come when you're not
[1:12:35] Speaker 2: trying to get them.
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: Mmm mmmm. That's so true.
[1:12:39] Speaker 2: That is so true.
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: They come to you when you're not trying to get them.
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: That's a lot of things in life. It comes when
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: you're not looking for it, like your man.
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: Like.
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: I mean, that is what happens, is when you're out
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: there looking looking looking nothing. You never it never comes
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: as soon as you just chilled me like all right, God,
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: I'm not gonna over this.
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, I met you at the basketball game. We gotta
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: go to dinner. Player looking forward to it. Oh, I
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: love it.
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: I love it. So in closing, we do what's called
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: what I'm going through and what I'm growing through.
[1:13:17] Speaker 2: How she moves now y'all can do then? And I
[1:13:19] Speaker 2: love that.
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I really would love that. What I'm going through,
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: what I'm growing through for me, just even like the
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: things that we've talked about today, I think one of
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: the things that I'm going through is expanding my portfolio.
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: We talked about investments, learning more about that, and for me,
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: I know that in that space it's a risk, yes,
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: and I'm not.
[1:13:43] Speaker 2: You have some people that are big.
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: Risk takers and then some people are calculating Hello, So
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: I'm a hold on.
[1:13:49] Speaker 2: I like to hold other.
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: Mone, but just get into the space where I do
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: have that big face to take bigger, bigger risks, you know,
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: because it's a bigger return.
[1:13:57] Speaker 2: When you do. You can use your likeness to have
[1:14:01] Speaker 2: you know, sweat equity versus monetary input. So those are
[1:14:05] Speaker 2: things I think about to.
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: Put me on game.
[1:14:10] Speaker 2: I love it.
[1:14:11] Speaker 1: Is there anything that you're going through and growing through?
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going through shedding some of the things I
[1:14:21] Speaker 2: was taking. That's probably been the hardest hardest thing in
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: my life, Shedding the things that I thought to be
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: the things you know, absolutely, and I'm growing through it.
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: I think that you know, you have to to to elevate,
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: you have to to align honestly with your purpose. I think,
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: you know, we get so caught up, you know, and
[1:14:42] Speaker 2: I'm blessed to right, So I am speaking from the
[1:14:44] Speaker 2: lens of I've done a lot of great things to
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: get to where I am. I don't feel any shame
[1:14:49] Speaker 2: at you know, any point of my journey, right, you know,
[1:14:53] Speaker 2: shaming and like, yeah, shot that motherfucker.
[1:14:57] Speaker 1: You know.
[1:14:58] Speaker 2: Don't have anything in my a, my heart that has
[1:15:00] Speaker 2: kept me from growing spiritually. So now it's just growing
[1:15:06] Speaker 2: through going through that. Like I said, I want to
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: get rid of all the nigga ship. I want the
[1:15:11] Speaker 2: nigga ship to leave my body, Please leave me. I
[1:15:17] Speaker 2: am tired. I don't want nothing to do with you.
[1:15:20] Speaker 2: I hate you, get it, and I'm growing through it.
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: That's right.
[1:15:27] Speaker 2: I love it.
[1:15:28] Speaker 1: I love that's good. Yeah, me too.
[1:15:32] Speaker 2: But then you know, of course I'm in my cool
[1:15:34] Speaker 2: whip inside yello.
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: I don't go all that, right, I love it. We
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: did something where we say keep it blank, sweetie. We're
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: filling the blank pertaining to the episode, and for this one,
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: I will say, keep it unapologetic, sweetie, because one thing
[1:15:58] Speaker 1: I've heard from you this whole time is that you
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: you've been unapologetically Kenny Burns.
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: Yes, Jesus, yes, shot. And if I had to tell
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: somebody stop lying to yourself, you go a lot further
[1:16:15] Speaker 2: in life, a lot quicker. Wow, that's deep. I love that. Yeah,
[1:16:20] Speaker 2: we lied to ourself. We do, we do. It's gonna
[1:16:23] Speaker 2: be No, it's not no, it's not. He put his
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: hands on You're gonna put his hands on you again?
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: Oh twice, three four times. Oh you're still that. No
[1:16:31] Speaker 2: it's not no, No, it's not it's not. I'm just
[1:16:34] Speaker 2: certain ship. You can't lie to you cannot.
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: You gotta be honest with yourself. That's true.
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: That one day you could wake up is like, I'm
[1:16:40] Speaker 2: not bloated and you're bloated. That's not a lot.
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: Like I look like I'm on a third try.
[1:16:50] Speaker 2: Master, I'm.
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: Shut it out bloating.
[1:16:55] Speaker 2: Trust me, Trust Kenny.
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: Thank you so much. This has been an amazing episode.
[1:17:02] Speaker 1: You got some comedic chops.
[1:17:04] Speaker 2: I'm trying you do you want to add value? And
[1:17:06] Speaker 2: I'm proud of you.
[1:17:07] Speaker 1: I love you, Thank you, I'm proud of you. It's
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: beautiful to see your evolution from where we met to
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: where you are now, how your mind is changing. It's
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: very inspiring. Yes, guys, I hope you were blessed by
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: this episode as much as I was. I had a
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: really good time today.
[1:17:24] Speaker 2: Therapy session.
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: Everybody says that when they said us catch, They're like,
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[1:18:01] Speaker 2: You as easy. I don't care about tap in with him.
[1:18:07] Speaker 1: He's doing amazing things. You have a podcast, The Key
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