# Skip's INSANE LeBron Take TORCHES Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 14 May 2026, 2 h 20 min.

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James Harden COOKING The Pistons TEARS APART Gil's Arena as the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to James Harden putting the Cleveland Cavaliers on his back to win an electrifing Game 5 of their NBA Playoff Series against the Detroit Pistons and break down the controversial ending that put Cade Cunningham & The Pistons' backs against the wall for the 2nd time in these playoffs. They also break down Jalen Duren's struggles this postseason as one of the NBA's breakout stars was benched in cruchtime of the must win game and discuss what has gone wrong for the Pistons' Big Man before debating if this team has another comeback in them as they must win their next 2 games to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. Next, Skip Bayless faces the music on his scorching hot take that LeBron James is the 9th best NBA Player ever and sparks a debate on whether or not the King's time with the Los Angeles Lakers should be considered a success as he only found postseason success inside the NBA Bubble. They also debate if the King will receive a statue with the Los Angeles Lakers after spending the final years of his illustrious career with the franchise before discussing his next moves as he ponders taking a discount to stay in LA vs taking his talents elsewhere to chase one last championship. Finally, hey react to the NBA Draft Lottery as the Washington Wizards came away with the #1 overall pick and give their take on the Indiana Pacers losing out on their top 5 pick after winning just 19 games this season. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin, Brandon Jennings, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Every business is asking the same question: how do we make AI work for us? The possibilities are endless, and guessing is too risky. Check out https://NetSuite.com/GIL SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:55 Mr. B Addresses Pat Bev 0:06:25 James Harden Cooks The Pistons 0:12:50 Reacting To The Controversial No Call 0:34:08 Calling Out Jalen Duren 0:41:07 Can The Pistons Comeback Again? 0:57:03 Skip's INSANE LeBron Take 1:05:48 Weekend Playoff Picks 2:17:05 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:04] Speaker 2: Whoop whoop! Whoop whoop!
[0:07] Speaker 3: Oh damn.
[0:08] Speaker 1: It's a couple days since the Lakers lost, man. We
[0:10] Speaker 1: have recovered. Carolyn's back. Shit. Welcome back.
[0:18] Speaker 3: Carolyn been ducking the arena.
[0:20] Speaker 1: Ever since the Lakers got it.
[0:22] Speaker 4: It ain't been the same.
[0:25] Speaker 5: Everybody ducking. Everybody ducking out here. Angela ducking now.
[0:29] Speaker 2: Angela. She ducking.
[0:32] Speaker 1: Shit.
[0:32] Speaker 6: Everybody trying to get their numbers up. Sebastian ass.
[0:34] Speaker 2: What's Sebastian's ass?
[0:35] Speaker 6: Ducking.
[0:35] Speaker 2: Ducking, yo.
[0:36] Speaker 1: He's ducking too. We haven't seen him in a minute.
[0:39] Speaker 1: Everybody trying to get their numbers up. But here it is.
[0:43] Speaker 1: Here it is. A lot to discuss today. This is
[0:45] Speaker 1: Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson.
[0:49] Speaker 1: We got one of the biggest legends in the sports
[0:51] Speaker 1: media game with us.
[0:52] Speaker 6: Skip Bayless.
[0:54] Speaker 1: Back to back. No low management. If you have some
[1:00] Speaker 1: things on your mind today, we will discuss. We might
[1:03] Speaker 1: be in some fisticuffs in a little bit. We don't
[1:07] Speaker 1: mind it.
[1:08] Speaker 6: It's all good. It's going to be one of them
[1:09] Speaker 6: type of days.
[1:10] Speaker 1: On this side of the couch, representing Tough Crowd, car-carrying
[1:13] Speaker 1: country club member, we got Mr. B, Brandon Janney.
[1:15] Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
[1:15] Speaker 7: Hey, hey, hey, hey.
[1:18] Speaker 6: Nice to see you with the soccer jersey.
[1:20] Speaker 2: Yeah. Nike, shout out Nike.
[1:22] Speaker 1: Shout out Nike, shout out Foot Locker for blessing the arena.
[1:25] Speaker 1: On this side of the couch, we got the distinguished
[1:26] Speaker 1: gentleman from Oak Cliff who is also a car-carrying country
[1:29] Speaker 1: club member.
[1:30] Speaker 6: Former number one pick, Kenya Martin.
[1:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:37] Speaker 3: What's happening, man?
[1:38] Speaker 1: And last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry,
[1:41] Speaker 1: NCAA Champion of the World, Dr. Rashad McCants, Ph.D. We
[1:49] Speaker 1: got the sounds back.
[1:50] Speaker 2: That was easy.
[1:51] Speaker 1: Okay. I like that shirt, man. That's a nice-ass shirt, man.
[1:54] Speaker 1: They're not like us. They are not.
[1:56] Speaker 6: It's fitting.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Shout-out to the Dodgers. Shout-out to L.A. Rappers.
[2:02] Speaker 6: Getting their names mentioned in certain tracks. A lot of
[2:04] Speaker 6: beef in there.
[2:05] Speaker 1: A lot of shit going on.
[2:06] Speaker 2: A lot of shit going on.
[2:08] Speaker 3: Freestyle yesterday, too.
[2:10] Speaker 1: Mercury might be a retrograde.
[2:11] Speaker 2: That's what she was waiting on?
[2:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what we was talking about right there.
[2:15] Speaker 3: It's all right.
[2:16] Speaker 6: You getting dragged into these beef by association?
[2:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I needed.
[2:20] Speaker 2: That AK line was crazy.
[2:23] Speaker 3: That was crazy.
[2:23] Speaker 8: I kind of want to hear what Brandon has to say.
[2:27] Speaker 8: That's what I want to hear.
[2:28] Speaker 4: Oh, we want to speak about... We'll talk about it
[2:32] Speaker 4: in a second.
[2:32] Speaker 6: That's a little tease. We want to get the numbers
[2:34] Speaker 6: up first.
[2:34] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:35] Speaker 1: In the chat. Let them get in here? Let them
[2:37] Speaker 1: get in here. A little teaser for what's to come
[2:40] Speaker 1: here on the show. We got a lot to get into.
[2:41] Speaker 1: Here's what's cracking in Gil's arena today. The Cavs stunned
[2:45] Speaker 1: the Pistons in game five after an epic fourth quarter meltdown.
[2:49] Speaker 1: Does Detroit have another comeback in them or are the
[2:51] Speaker 1: Pistons cooked? Shout out James Harden with the 30 piece. Skip,
[2:55] Speaker 1: has LeBron rated ninth? You heard that correctly. Ninth on
[3:00] Speaker 1: his all-time top 10 list So we're going to find
[3:02] Speaker 1: out exactly what he's smoking for that basketball blast.
[3:05] Speaker 2: We're going to find out.
[3:08] Speaker 1: Damn.
[3:08] Speaker 2: He can't have his own list.
[3:10] Speaker 6: It's a lot of smoke.
[3:11] Speaker 2: Damn.
[3:12] Speaker 1: And the NBA set the vote on anti-tanking draft lottery reform.
[3:17] Speaker 1: But will it really stop teams from tricking off games
[3:19] Speaker 1: to get a higher draft pick? Before we get into
[3:21] Speaker 1: all that, as always, the show is brought to you
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[3:36] Speaker 1: can't watch this show live with us on YouTube, we
[3:38] Speaker 1: got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get
[3:41] Speaker 1: your podcasts from. So we're going to hit that in
[3:45] Speaker 1: a second. We're going to talk Pistons Cavs first. Or
[3:48] Speaker 1: should we just talk about it? Fuck it, let's just
[3:50] Speaker 1: get into it. You know, I've woken out of my
[3:53] Speaker 1: slumber early this morning. Trying to take me a little nap.
[3:58] Speaker 1: Everybody tagging me on the internet. Former friend of the program,
[4:04] Speaker 1: Patrick Beverly, has some things to say about you two
[4:07] Speaker 1: gentlemen on his show that we will not promote. What'd
[4:12] Speaker 1: he say? Talking about your basketball exploits in your careers.
[4:17] Speaker 4: Talking about our careers, talking about us kissing the ground.
[4:20] Speaker 4: You know, I think the kissing the ground part was
[4:24] Speaker 4: a little funny. because I know how I got on
[4:26] Speaker 4: this couch because of Tim. Tim called me, and I
[4:30] Speaker 4: know who write my checks, which is Underdog. And me
[4:34] Speaker 4: and Rashad, since everybody, I mean, we've been putting in
[4:36] Speaker 4: work since day one. I mean, shit, we've been number
[4:39] Speaker 4: one for a long time, dog, sitting on this couch,
[4:42] Speaker 4: creating vibes, creating ways for everybody else. So, I mean,
[4:47] Speaker 4: just like with you, you know, your show with Barstool,
[4:49] Speaker 4: you know, that's their show. So, you know, I guess
[4:52] Speaker 4: if we're going to be kissing grounds, I guess we
[4:54] Speaker 4: all need to be getting on our knees kissing grounds
[4:56] Speaker 4: because Barstow owns you. You don't own your show. So,
[5:02] Speaker 4: I mean, we're in the same predicament at the end
[5:04] Speaker 4: of the day. So, and at the end of the day,
[5:06] Speaker 4: this is underdog show.
[5:09] Speaker 2: So that's just what that is.
[5:10] Speaker 4: As far as my career, man, I just feel like
[5:14] Speaker 4: with the career thing, man, you know, congratulations on, you know,
[5:19] Speaker 4: having a long career. a longer career than me. You know,
[5:22] Speaker 4: you made more money, of course. But of course I
[5:25] Speaker 4: tore my Achilles, which shifted things for me. You know,
[5:29] Speaker 4: I think what you made 80 million, I made 40. So,
[5:32] Speaker 4: I mean, you know, if I don't tear my Achilles,
[5:36] Speaker 4: you know, Stan Van Gundy, you heard what he said
[5:38] Speaker 4: about me. They gave Reggie Jackson 80 million, shout out
[5:43] Speaker 4: Reggie Jackson, but they gave Reggie Jackson 80 million. So,
[5:45] Speaker 4: I mean, just think about what the fuck they were
[5:48] Speaker 4: going to give me.
[5:50] Speaker 1: Fuck.
[5:51] Speaker 2: Um, 90, a hundred.
[5:53] Speaker 4: Um, so, you know, with that situation, you're not a
[5:57] Speaker 4: better basketball player than me, dog. Like you, you have
[6:00] Speaker 4: to play a role to stick in the league. You
[6:03] Speaker 4: can know if you average 35, whatever, 37 in high school,
[6:06] Speaker 4: went to the league. You can only stay in the
[6:08] Speaker 4: league if you play defense. So you was in a
[6:09] Speaker 4: bad marriage. Um, but it got you to what you
[6:12] Speaker 4: got to get to, you know, but that divorce was ugly.
[6:16] Speaker 2: Um, But, man, you know, keep going, bro. You know,
[6:19] Speaker 2: we are who we are. We do what we do.
[6:21] Speaker 4: We're going to be number one. We're going to stay
[6:23] Speaker 4: number one. And that's just all to it.
[6:28] Speaker 1: I'll shift over to Dr. McCants. Anything you would like
[6:30] Speaker 1: to add to this? We're doing takes and shit.
[6:32] Speaker 2: This is what we're doing.
[6:32] Speaker 6: But just want to get it out the way.
[6:34] Speaker 1: I just, man.
[6:35] Speaker 6: We can get the show.
[6:36] Speaker 1: Everybody knows I wasn't shit.
[6:39] Speaker 5: Everybody knows that he's not saying nothing new like you're
[6:42] Speaker 5: not saying nothing new about me like my career was
[6:45] Speaker 5: a bust I wasn't shit. I had expectations. I did
[6:49] Speaker 5: not exceed those expectations I'm starting a new career. I'm
[6:52] Speaker 5: in year four of my new career And I would
[6:55] Speaker 5: say I'm pretty high on the totem pole in this
[6:57] Speaker 5: new career of mine I think that I'm very well
[6:59] Speaker 5: polished to do the things that I'm doing now, you
[7:02] Speaker 5: know I have a body bag and a cemetery with
[7:05] Speaker 5: a lot of bodies body parts figures figurines in that
[7:10] Speaker 5: you you are in one of the plots bro like
[7:14] Speaker 5: it's not nothing new to to me people taking shots
[7:18] Speaker 5: at the throne is this what it's gonna be what
[7:20] Speaker 5: it's gonna be right i mean i'm not gonna go
[7:22] Speaker 5: career for career stats for stats and none of that
[7:26] Speaker 5: i'm sitting next to skip bayless right now where are
[7:31] Speaker 5: you at all right cool steven they came to debate
[7:35] Speaker 5: put them in the body bag too If I'm kissing
[7:39] Speaker 5: anybody's feet or any ground or any of that.
[7:42] Speaker 1: Amen.
[7:45] Speaker 2: Well, he kissing.
[7:47] Speaker 1: I'm just saying I did. I did. I did.
[7:49] Speaker 5: Thank Gilbert for giving me an opportunity to revitalize, you know,
[7:55] Speaker 5: what was a tough time. And I think every former
[7:59] Speaker 5: player that he thinks he's shitting on at this point
[8:01] Speaker 5: in his career that he can look down upon and
[8:03] Speaker 5: be like, hey, look, if you wasn't on this show,
[8:06] Speaker 5: you wouldn't be shit. So it's a lot of guys that.
[8:09] Speaker 5: want to do things that we're doing right now, but
[8:12] Speaker 5: guys like him feel like we don't have an opportunity
[8:14] Speaker 5: because you got to have a.
[8:15] Speaker 1: Career, a resume, and all this type of shit.
[8:17] Speaker 4: But if he didn't play defense, he wouldn't be in
[8:20] Speaker 4: the league long, so I don't know what the fuck
[8:21] Speaker 4: the conversation is.
[8:22] Speaker 5: And if I wanted to play defense, if I wanted
[8:25] Speaker 5: to play defense, I could do what he's doing.
[8:29] Speaker 4: But your best year in the league was not better
[8:33] Speaker 4: than mine.
[8:33] Speaker 1: And I still average more points than you.
[8:35] Speaker 2: Like, nothing. Like, I don't know what the fuck the
[8:37] Speaker 2: conversation is.
[8:38] Speaker 5: There ain't no conversation. It's just, look, he tried out
[8:40] Speaker 5: for our team, Gills Arena, twice. He still didn't make
[8:45] Speaker 5: the team. Then he went, started his own team. He
[8:49] Speaker 5: got cut from his own team by a point guard
[8:51] Speaker 5: that was better than him. So now he's mad. He's overseas,
[8:58] Speaker 5: crossing his legs.
[8:59] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
[9:00] Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with crossing your legs, Rashad. And he's trying
[9:03] Speaker 1: to figure out who's going to watch this shit, who
[9:05] Speaker 1: he's going to throw shots at.
[9:07] Speaker 2: So throw shots at us. We cool.
[9:10] Speaker 3: Did he mention me or just them?
[9:14] Speaker 1: He called you a hoe.
[9:15] Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
[9:17] Speaker 6: I'm just kidding. I don't think your name was mentioned.
[9:19] Speaker 6: I don't think your name was mentioned.
[9:21] Speaker 5: He definitely called you a hoe.
[9:24] Speaker 6: I heard that for sure.
[9:25] Speaker 1: I heard that for sure. I'm just kidding. I'm sorry.
[9:29] Speaker 6: I do have one thing to say. I would laugh
[9:30] Speaker 6: that off though.
[9:31] Speaker 2: Can't we all just get along?
[9:33] Speaker 1: We work here. We was getting along.
[9:35] Speaker 6: We wasn't doing shit.
[9:36] Speaker 1: We're minding our business.
[9:37] Speaker 2: He's just mad because he wants more respect. And it's like, nigga,
[9:41] Speaker 2: you're not getting that. Not for me. Give a fuck.
[9:44] Speaker 4: Congratulations on your longer career. You're a little 40 more
[9:46] Speaker 4: million dollars, but nigga, you ain't better than me.
[9:48] Speaker 5: I apologize to my sister. I didn't want to go
[9:51] Speaker 5: this far.
[9:51] Speaker 1: I told y'all what but god damn it i knocked.
[9:54] Speaker 4: That shit off all right well i'm still doing business
[9:57] Speaker 4: with the bucks watch out yeah that's how nice i was.
[9:59] Speaker 1: Milwaukee fine city shout out to cream city carson's watch.
[10:04] Speaker 2: Out i'm still around i'm still doing everything.
[10:08] Speaker 1: But on that note we do have a show to
[10:09] Speaker 1: get into.
[10:10] Speaker 5: Yeah shout out to underdog man for giving us the
[10:12] Speaker 5: opportunity to do this and be here you know i'm
[10:15] Speaker 5: saying Liam, the whole nine, everybody, Rob, Tim Livingston, for sure,
[10:21] Speaker 5: giving us the opportunity to keep this shit going.
[10:24] Speaker 2: And we not going to fucking stop. I don't care
[10:27] Speaker 2: how much y'all hate me. I don't care how much
[10:31] Speaker 2: y'all hate me.
[10:32] Speaker 5: I get the juice from the greats, man. They tell
[10:35] Speaker 5: me I can hate, hate, hate all I want. So
[10:38] Speaker 5: it ain't going to stop. So take a seat.
[10:41] Speaker 1: You're going to lose weight waiting for me to fall off. Well,
[10:45] Speaker 1: let's get into.
[10:47] Speaker 1: Some actual basketball. Appreciate all y'all. Appreciate you gentlemen, too,
[10:51] Speaker 1: for addressing that. Needed to be addressed. All right, but
[10:54] Speaker 1: let's get into some basketball. Cavs and Pistons met in
[10:56] Speaker 1: Detroit Wednesday night for Game 5. Detroit won the first
[10:59] Speaker 1: two games of this series at their crib to take
[11:01] Speaker 1: a 2-0 lead. But the Cavs responded with two wins
[11:03] Speaker 1: in Cleveland, improving to 6-0 at home this postseason. Donovan
[11:07] Speaker 1: Mitchell scored 39 of his 43 points in the second
[11:10] Speaker 1: half in Game 4 to tie an NBA record as
[11:12] Speaker 1: the Cavs started the third quarter with a 22-0 run
[11:15] Speaker 1: led by as much as 21 in the final frame.
[11:17] Speaker 1: to remain undefeated at home. The Cavs had yet to
[11:20] Speaker 1: win a road game this postseason, while the Pistons had
[11:22] Speaker 1: won four straight at home, and it appeared both streaks
[11:25] Speaker 1: would continue until Detroit suffered an epic late-game meltdown to
[11:29] Speaker 1: put their season in jeopardy. Let's take a look at
[11:32] Speaker 1: some of these highlights. Lowlights.
[11:34] Speaker 6: Highlights and some lowlights for others.
[11:36] Speaker 1: Pistons led by as much as 15 in the first half,
[11:39] Speaker 1: held an eight-point lead at the break. The Cavs gave
[11:42] Speaker 1: up 20 points off turnovers in the first half. Cleveland
[11:44] Speaker 1: caught fire in the third quarter, though, outscoring the Pistons
[11:48] Speaker 1: 32-20 to lead by four heading into the fourth frame.
[11:50] Speaker 3: Hell would he challenge that for?
[11:52] Speaker 1: James Harden led the Cavs with the playoff best 30
[11:54] Speaker 1: points on eight of 21 shooting, along with eight rebounds,
[11:56] Speaker 1: six assists, game-high tying six turnovers. It was Harden's 50th
[12:00] Speaker 1: career 30-point playoff game, set an NBA record by scoring
[12:03] Speaker 1: 30 or more in the playoffs with his sixth different team.
[12:05] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell added 21 points on seven of 18 shooting,
[12:08] Speaker 1: but had some big buckets when his squad needed them
[12:11] Speaker 1: the most. Max Struess, big off the bench with 20 points,
[12:14] Speaker 1: going six of eight from distance. Evan Mobley had 19, 8,
[12:16] Speaker 1: and 8. And Jared Allen put up 16 with 10 boards.
[12:19] Speaker 1: So Cade Cunningham paced the Pistons with 39.7 boards and
[12:23] Speaker 1: 9 assists, but also had a game-high tying six turnovers
[12:26] Speaker 1: as well. Cade's third game of this playoffs with 35-plus points.
[12:29] Speaker 1: Danish Jenkins got his first career playoff start with Duncan
[12:32] Speaker 1: Robinson out with a back injury. Had 19 in two blocks.
[12:35] Speaker 1: Jalen Duren, though, struggled to find his offense yet again,
[12:38] Speaker 1: finishing with 9 points and 5 boards while getting benched
[12:41] Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter in overtime. So this one came...
[12:45] Speaker 1: down to the wire, Pistons up nine, a little under
[12:48] Speaker 1: three minutes to go in the game. Cavs responded with
[12:51] Speaker 1: a 9-0 run to tie things up, sending this game
[12:58] Speaker 1: to overtime. Was a question of play at the end
[13:00] Speaker 1: of regulation that we will get into in just a moment.
[13:06] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell scored seven points in overtime to help pace
[13:10] Speaker 1: his squad, including this bucket right here, three for three.
[13:13] Speaker 1: in the overtime frame, four for 15 in the first
[13:16] Speaker 1: four quarters of the game. James Harden went to the line.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Harden missed three of six free throws in the overtime period,
[13:24] Speaker 1: but missed one, got his rebound, was able to go
[13:27] Speaker 1: back to the line, put the game out of reach
[13:31] Speaker 1: as the Cavs get their third straight win in this
[13:34] Speaker 1: series and first road win of the playoffs, now return
[13:38] Speaker 1: home for game six, where as a reminder, they are
[13:41] Speaker 1: 6-0 this postseason. So after the game, Cavs head coach
[13:43] Speaker 1: Kenny Atkinson and Cade Cunningham had this reaction.
[13:47] Speaker 2: We just made big plays.
[13:49] Speaker 9: We're down eight, down nine. I think that stretch right there,
[13:54] Speaker 9: you know, says a lot about our progress, you know,
[13:59] Speaker 9: mental performance progress, you know, mental toughness progress. Kept out
[14:07] Speaker 9: of Evan Mobley. Huge plays, Max Drew's huge plays. And then,
[14:15] Speaker 9: you know, regulation didn't end great, and these guys, like,
[14:19] Speaker 9: they don't, they never get down, right? Like, just like,
[14:22] Speaker 9: you know, great demeanor, great leadership from Donovan and Evan
[14:27] Speaker 9: and James.
[14:29] Speaker 2: Tough loss, obviously, we wanted to protect our home court.
[14:32] Speaker 2: We failed to do that.
[14:34] Speaker 7: You know, being up 3-2 is an advantage for them.
[14:38] Speaker 2: It's first to four wins, though.
[14:40] Speaker 1: We know that.
[14:41] Speaker 7: We've had our back against the wall before. At the
[14:43] Speaker 7: end of the day, I mean, if we can't win
[14:45] Speaker 7: a game on the road, how far are we really
[14:47] Speaker 7: going to get in the playoffs?
[14:48] Speaker 2: How far are we going to.
[14:49] Speaker 1: Get in this league?
[14:49] Speaker 7: So, got to go win a game on the road.
[14:52] Speaker 7: That's what we're going to go do.
[14:55] Speaker 1: So, by all metrics, Piston should have won this game.
[14:59] Speaker 1: 27 points off turnovers.
[15:00] Speaker 8: Mm-mm.
[15:03] Speaker 1: Plus 10 points in the paint, plus 16 fast break points.
[15:07] Speaker 1: But Skip, what are your biggest takeaways from the Cavs'
[15:10] Speaker 1: game five win over the Pistons in Detroit?
[15:16] Speaker 8: Lord have mercy on the Detroit Pistons. When the Pistons
[15:22] Speaker 8: went up nine with two and a half minutes left,
[15:26] Speaker 8: had a 97% chance of winning at home against a
[15:31] Speaker 8: team that was 0-5 in these playoffs on the road.
[15:35] Speaker 8: The first thing I thought of was that man over
[15:37] Speaker 8: there because that man had picked the Cleveland Cavaliers. And
[15:42] Speaker 8: I said, well, he finally ate one because he was
[15:47] Speaker 8: dead wrong about this one. Was he not? No, he
[15:50] Speaker 8: was not. Because what ensued was an all-time playoff collapse
[15:58] Speaker 8: by a home team in a crucial turning point game, five.
[16:05] Speaker 8: And yet and still, what also ensued was an all-time
[16:11] Speaker 8: uncalled foul at the end of regulation featuring Jared Allen,
[16:18] Speaker 8: who's not a a dirty player, a fowler by nature,
[16:22] Speaker 8: but he's playing a little out of control because it's
[16:24] Speaker 8: desperation moment trying to get the loose basketball and Asar
[16:29] Speaker 8: Thompson does get it and Jared Allen blatantly stumbles into
[16:33] Speaker 8: the back of him And I don't care what time
[16:36] Speaker 8: in the game it is, it's just a foul. And
[16:40] Speaker 8: you have to call it with 1.4 seconds left. And
[16:44] Speaker 8: you have to send Asar Thompson to the other end
[16:48] Speaker 8: to shoot two free throws. During the regular season, Asar
[16:52] Speaker 8: Thompson made only 57% of his free throws. But with
[16:57] Speaker 8: four and a half minutes left in the game, he
[16:59] Speaker 8: had gone to the free throw line when they were
[17:01] Speaker 8: cruising up.
[17:02] Speaker 2: And he made both.
[17:04] Speaker 8: So he was two for two fairly recently in the
[17:07] Speaker 8: game from the free throw line. Do I think he
[17:10] Speaker 8: could have made one to win?
[17:12] Speaker 6: I do.
[17:13] Speaker 8: But I will never know because the call went uncalled.
[17:19] Speaker 8: And it was just shocking and devastating to the home team.
[17:25] Speaker 8: Which brings me to a second question. foul call that
[17:29] Speaker 8: was called a phantom call that happened with 24 seconds
[17:32] Speaker 8: left in overtime. James Harden got trapped over by the
[17:37] Speaker 8: Pistons bench on the sideline by a double team and
[17:41] Speaker 8: was in big bad trouble. Detroit at that point is
[17:44] Speaker 8: down two points. Big bad trouble. And you're just going
[17:49] Speaker 8: to have to play it out. I don't know if
[17:51] Speaker 8: he'd be able to call time or if he's just
[17:53] Speaker 8: going to lose the basketball because he had been losing
[17:55] Speaker 8: the basketball late in the game routinely as he has
[17:59] Speaker 8: had a history of doing. And he's coming apart, unraveling.
[18:05] Speaker 8: And I've looked at it a hundred times and I
[18:09] Speaker 8: can't see a foul. But Paul Reed... who doesn't have
[18:13] Speaker 8: much of a reputation in this league because he's a
[18:16] Speaker 8: bench player who came in and ignited them with some
[18:19] Speaker 8: great late game energy. He gets the foul call and
[18:23] Speaker 8: I'm like, God, just give it to James Harden. And
[18:25] Speaker 8: he goes to the foul line and made the first.
[18:29] Speaker 8: And as you pointed out, he missed the second badly.
[18:34] Speaker 8: It clanged so hard off the back iron that it
[18:38] Speaker 8: boinged out and Cade Cunningham who disappeared down the stretch
[18:44] Speaker 8: of regulation, he scored 39, I give you that, but
[18:49] Speaker 8: he failed to do something that all you guys were
[18:52] Speaker 8: taught when you, I don't know, when you're six years
[18:54] Speaker 8: old or five years old or whenever you started, somebody
[18:57] Speaker 8: has to have the shooter, you know, like somebody has
[19:00] Speaker 8: to step in front of the shooter and just block
[19:03] Speaker 8: him out. You just have to get in his way
[19:05] Speaker 8: because you have the space advantage over him because you're
[19:09] Speaker 8: a little closer to the rim than he is. So
[19:11] Speaker 8: you just have to stop him just in case it
[19:14] Speaker 8: does Boeing long where you can catch the rebound before
[19:19] Speaker 8: he catches it. And Tate just drifts toward the rim.
[19:22] Speaker 8: Like he thought he was going to make the second
[19:24] Speaker 8: one and have to take the ball out of bounds
[19:26] Speaker 8: quickly and go the other direction. And you just can't.
[19:30] Speaker 8: And it's, it's why, you know, it's playoff experience. And
[19:34] Speaker 8: I look at the numbers and James has played 185
[19:37] Speaker 8: playoff games and Cade's now played 18. So he learned
[19:41] Speaker 8: a really hard lesson because James gets the ball back
[19:46] Speaker 8: and the game is basically over because he's going to
[19:49] Speaker 8: do it again. He's going to be able to make
[19:50] Speaker 8: one of two and he missed three. Just frame it
[19:55] Speaker 8: with this. I keep hearing that James Harden had a
[19:59] Speaker 8: great playoff game after all those flame-outs of his on
[20:03] Speaker 8: his resume. No, he did not. He did score 30.
[20:06] Speaker 8: I will give you that. But when I look at
[20:08] Speaker 8: these numbers, in the fourth quarter and overtime last night,
[20:12] Speaker 8: James Harden went 1 of 8, 0 for 3 from 3,
[20:18] Speaker 8: with three big late turnovers, and he missed three free
[20:24] Speaker 8: throws in overtime. James Harden is saying here, here, and here, here, here.
[20:32] Speaker 8: I'm James Harden and I'm doing what I always do
[20:35] Speaker 8: in big playoff games here. And Detroit kept saying, no, here.
[20:41] Speaker 1: Here. We don't want it. We don't want it.
[20:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want it. You don't?
[20:46] Speaker 1: Damn.
[20:47] Speaker 8: And James Harden gets to sit up at the podium
[20:49] Speaker 8: and say, yeah, I did it. Oh, did you really?
[20:52] Speaker 8: Or did they not do it? Because that's what happened.
[20:55] Speaker 8: They did not do it. And, yeah, look, I know
[20:59] Speaker 8: Detroit came from 3-1 down against Orlando, but this ain't Orlando.
[21:03] Speaker 8: It's just not. And so I'm sure we'll address this
[21:06] Speaker 8: in a moment, but I like Detroit because they won
[21:09] Speaker 8: the East by four games, and I like their coach.
[21:12] Speaker 8: And I try to like Cade, but he's still baby.
[21:15] Speaker 8: He still hasn't figured it all out just yet. And
[21:20] Speaker 8: I just don't think they can go back to Cleveland
[21:22] Speaker 8: and figure out how to win that game six. So
[21:26] Speaker 8: take it away.
[21:27] Speaker 1: Mr. B, let's shift over to you.
[21:30] Speaker 2: A lot there to digest there.
[21:33] Speaker 4: No, but I do think Detroit is cooked.
[21:35] Speaker 2: I think that was a game that they.
[21:36] Speaker 4: Needed because on the road they haven't been getting nothing
[21:39] Speaker 4: from their all-star big, Dern.
[21:42] Speaker 2: He didn't even play starting the fourth quarter. So that's
[21:46] Speaker 2: going to be a good vacation.
[21:47] Speaker 8: He didn't play in the fourth overtime.
[21:49] Speaker 2: He didn't get back.
[21:49] Speaker 8: On the floor.
[21:50] Speaker 1: One possession, I believe, in the fourth quarter they put
[21:52] Speaker 1: him in late in that game.
[21:53] Speaker 4: I think with James, I think he just got tired.
[21:55] Speaker 4: I think it was a little fatigue in that fourth.
[21:57] Speaker 4: He was, you know, he had to do a lot early.
[22:00] Speaker 4: I was just blaming on that fatigue, but they still
[22:02] Speaker 4: got it done. Evan Mobley showed up. But man, it
[22:06] Speaker 4: was just a big win. They got that win on
[22:07] Speaker 4: the road and now they have a chance to go
[22:09] Speaker 4: at home in six and get them out of here.
[22:11] Speaker 4: So I think with Tobias, so I still think they have,
[22:15] Speaker 4: they have trouble scoring, man. I just, unless K go
[22:19] Speaker 4: for one of those 50 point games, triple doubles, then it'd.
[22:22] Speaker 2: Be something different. But if not, I see, I see
[22:25] Speaker 2: Cleveland taking care of this.
[22:27] Speaker 1: I was shipped over to this side of the couch.
[22:30] Speaker 1: How quickly the tides turn, though, in this series. Pistons
[22:33] Speaker 1: up 2-0 to start this one. Thought they were cooking.
[22:37] Speaker 1: Cavs came back, won two at their crib. Take game five,
[22:41] Speaker 1: came to take a 3-2 lead. Now going back to
[22:43] Speaker 1: Cleveland where they have not lost in this postseason. What
[22:45] Speaker 1: are your biggest takeaways from the Cavs' game five win?
[22:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, just a collapse. I'm up nine, two and a
[22:52] Speaker 3: half minutes to go with that team, the way they
[22:55] Speaker 3: were playing. Pretty much money in the bank, but mental
[22:59] Speaker 3: mistakes will cost you. Not boxing out, careless turnovers. Yeah,
[23:07] Speaker 3: just not paying attention to the details that's needed in
[23:10] Speaker 3: real time, right, in order to secure the win. And
[23:13] Speaker 3: I saw it happening in real time, right? Cleveland got
[23:17] Speaker 3: more aggressive, and it seemed as if nobody wanted the
[23:21] Speaker 3: ball because they were taking the ball out of K's hand, right? No,
[23:25] Speaker 3: those are the times to thrive. Those are not the
[23:28] Speaker 3: times to take a back seat. But no, Cleveland kept playing.
[23:32] Speaker 3: They wanted it more. They played harder down the stretch. Yeah,
[23:38] Speaker 3: and it's just unfortunate for the arms and the pissing
[23:41] Speaker 3: that they are young still, they're young and Cleveland does
[23:46] Speaker 3: have experience with Donovan and James, been in big situations before,
[23:50] Speaker 3: which I think helps, helps Kenny Atkinson in that moment,
[23:53] Speaker 3: in those moments. Having them to rely on, I think,
[23:57] Speaker 3: goes a long way.
[23:58] Speaker 1: So I.
[24:02] Speaker 3: Want to address Jalen Duren, right? Like personally, like, like
[24:07] Speaker 3: this is, you're 22, You are still learning your game. Yes,
[24:15] Speaker 3: we understand that. Points and rebounds are things that people
[24:19] Speaker 3: pay attention to that get you paid. For the masses,
[24:25] Speaker 3: young fella, the people that's played this game, the people
[24:28] Speaker 3: that's played that position, and I am one of them,
[24:33] Speaker 3: came in, was limited offensively when I first got started, yes.
[24:39] Speaker 3: But my effort day in, day out, possession after possession,
[24:44] Speaker 3: made up for what my deficiencies was offensively. Always have.
[24:51] Speaker 3: I went to college, I averaged three and a half points.
[24:54] Speaker 3: Couldn't hit my ass with both hands.
[24:59] Speaker 1: Couldn't, right?
[25:00] Speaker 3: Couldn't throw it in the ocean, land it, hey, couldn't
[25:02] Speaker 3: throw it in the ocean from the bank, from the fucking,
[25:05] Speaker 3: couldn't do it, right?
[25:07] Speaker 1: Couldn't hit my ass with both hands.
[25:08] Speaker 3: So I know what it is to struggle offensively, I do.
[25:12] Speaker 3: But your effort, young man, is unacceptable at this level.
[25:21] Speaker 3: I've watched your games against Orlando, every game. I watched
[25:25] Speaker 3: every game in this series, and wanted to see if
[25:27] Speaker 3: you was gonna change anything about your approach. And you
[25:31] Speaker 3: have not. Regular season is one thing. It's free flowing,
[25:40] Speaker 3: everything is, wide open for you to be the athlete
[25:43] Speaker 3: that you are. But it becomes a time when that
[25:47] Speaker 3: athleticism and those things are matched with other athletic people.
[25:52] Speaker 3: And when those other athletic people play harder than you,
[25:57] Speaker 3: they're going to have your number. You ran into that
[26:01] Speaker 3: last series and you're running into it again. You don't
[26:05] Speaker 3: play hard enough.
[26:09] Speaker 1: You don't.
[26:09] Speaker 3: You might think you are a young man, You're not
[26:12] Speaker 3: playing hard and you're hurting your team. There is no
[26:17] Speaker 3: game that you play 25 plus minutes in, young man,
[26:19] Speaker 3: that you should have.
[26:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, eight and two the game before.
[26:24] Speaker 3: Under 10 rebounds. You just shouldn't.
[26:30] Speaker 8: Right?
[26:30] Speaker 3: You don't play hard. And Paul Reed is outplaying you
[26:35] Speaker 3: and he deserves your minutes.
[26:36] Speaker 2: For sure.
[26:37] Speaker 1: Ten points and eight rebounds, played the entire fourth quarter.
[26:40] Speaker 3: He deserves your minutes. I'm going to be the one
[26:42] Speaker 3: to tell you he deserves your minutes. Isaiah Stewart deserves
[26:47] Speaker 3: your minutes.
[26:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
[26:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[26:49] Speaker 3: Their effort is needed on that floor. And because you're
[26:53] Speaker 3: an all-star and a potential all-NBA player, your coach is
[26:58] Speaker 3: handicapped by playing you. They're not going to tell you
[27:03] Speaker 3: this because they don't want to lose you and you
[27:05] Speaker 3: to go in the tank.
[27:06] Speaker 1: Right.
[27:07] Speaker 3: I ain't got no horse in this race, young fella.
[27:10] Speaker 3: I want to see you do well. I want to
[27:12] Speaker 3: see you be the all-star and the all-pro player that
[27:14] Speaker 3: you are. But you're not doing that. And it's your effort.
[27:22] Speaker 3: Points and rebounds going to come and go. You can
[27:25] Speaker 3: control how hard you play every time you're out there, bruh.
[27:30] Speaker 3: And your demeanor tells me you don't care. From afar.
[27:36] Speaker 3: I could be dead wrong. But I've watched a lot
[27:40] Speaker 3: of basketball. And been a part of a lot of basketball.
[27:44] Speaker 3: And I can eyeball. When I'm being bullshit.
[27:52] Speaker 1: That physique.
[27:54] Speaker 3: Smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors young fella. Use it.
[28:04] Speaker 3: Go watch film on people similar body type and athleticism
[28:08] Speaker 3: and ability and see how they approach the game, man.
[28:12] Speaker 3: From the Antonio McDices to, I can name the Ben Wallace,
[28:16] Speaker 3: limited offensively. Look what he did. Reggie Evans, look what
[28:20] Speaker 3: he did. Like, dude, you can do something different. You
[28:24] Speaker 3: can change this, but it's on you to look in
[28:27] Speaker 3: the mirror, man, and go help your team.
[28:32] Speaker 1: Hmm. Let's move on to Dr. McKintz.
[28:36] Speaker 5: Well, you know, aside from being the only person that
[28:39] Speaker 5: picked the right team, what I've seen came from a
[28:44] Speaker 5: different lens. And I respect everybody's take on what happened
[28:47] Speaker 5: as far as what y'all seen the Detroit Pistons not do.
[28:51] Speaker 5: I think I got to give more credit to what
[28:53] Speaker 5: the Cleveland Cavaliers did down the stretch. Because what I
[28:57] Speaker 5: thought was the pressure was on. Detroit kept the pressure
[29:01] Speaker 5: on them. They made it look very uncomfortable for Cleveland,
[29:04] Speaker 5: picking them up full court, almost causing turnovers every time down.
[29:08] Speaker 5: They took them all the way out of their offense.
[29:10] Speaker 5: It was a bad shot after bad shot after bad shot.
[29:13] Speaker 5: It wasn't good basketball down the stretch. But the one
[29:15] Speaker 5: thing you have to applaud Cleveland for is As a team, collectively,
[29:22] Speaker 5: the one thing you want to do and say in
[29:24] Speaker 5: those timeouts is we just need one stop at a time.
[29:27] Speaker 2: Get a stop here.
[29:29] Speaker 5: Get a stop here and let our playmakers make plays
[29:32] Speaker 5: down the stretch. Seeing that James was one for eight,
[29:36] Speaker 5: you got to look at the real star of the team,
[29:38] Speaker 5: which is Donovan Mitchell. He had that five points in
[29:41] Speaker 5: overtime that really helped him that lay up in that three.
[29:44] Speaker 5: The three was bigger than anything two minutes ago because
[29:46] Speaker 5: it took the air out of Detroit.
[29:48] Speaker 1: And I think.
[29:50] Speaker 5: When you got Cade trying to do so much, you
[29:52] Speaker 5: still got Jenkins. He hit a big three. Paul Reed
[29:55] Speaker 5: is always going to be Paul Reed. I always raved
[29:57] Speaker 5: about him being the X factor on that team. Him, Sasser,
[30:02] Speaker 5: Karis LeVert. They didn't have no Duncan Robinson. So Jenkins
[30:06] Speaker 5: stepped up to the starting role and was able to
[30:08] Speaker 5: go in there and do what they needed to do.
[30:10] Speaker 5: But you got to look at Struess. Max Struess had
[30:12] Speaker 5: 20 points.
[30:14] Speaker 2: Eight rebounds. Six threes.
[30:16] Speaker 5: You're talking about a guy that under the radar on
[30:18] Speaker 5: the scouting report, you do have to have somewhat respect for,
[30:21] Speaker 5: but in this type of big game, you're not looking
[30:24] Speaker 5: for him to be the X factor.
[30:26] Speaker 1: You're looking for.
[30:26] Speaker 5: Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, one of those guys, even Dean Wade,
[30:30] Speaker 5: that he hasn't showed up at all for Cleveland, but
[30:34] Speaker 5: yet he's out there holding up space so Max Struess
[30:37] Speaker 5: can come underneath.
[30:39] Speaker 1: Him and really take the shine.
[30:41] Speaker 5: So for what Max Struess did, for Cleveland down the
[30:44] Speaker 5: stretch and allow James Harden and Donovan Mitchell to look
[30:48] Speaker 5: a little bit better was I think collectively as a team,
[30:51] Speaker 5: they decided to take the game. You're on the road.
[30:55] Speaker 5: You're at a disadvantage. The crowd and the energy, like
[30:58] Speaker 5: you said, they trapped James on that. That was a
[31:01] Speaker 5: turnover waiting to happen. We're talking about momentum.
[31:05] Speaker 6: We get that.
[31:05] Speaker 5: We're going down. They're going to score. Kade's hitting big shots. Like,
[31:09] Speaker 5: we know who to get the ball to, whether it
[31:11] Speaker 5: be a shot or a foul. We have the momentum.
[31:15] Speaker 5: But you go back and you look at that foul
[31:17] Speaker 5: that you talked about between Allen and Thompson. The one
[31:21] Speaker 5: thing you don't want to do as a referee is
[31:23] Speaker 5: dictate the game.
[31:24] Speaker 2: In the last seconds.
[31:25] Speaker 1: And I think as.
[31:26] Speaker 5: Hoopers, we don't want the referee to dictate a tie
[31:31] Speaker 5: ball game with a bullshit foul that could go.
[31:33] Speaker 8: Okay, I appreciate it, but I don't think it was
[31:35] Speaker 8: a bullshit foul.
[31:35] Speaker 3: A foul is a foul.
[31:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. You gotta do a job.
[31:39] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[31:39] Speaker 1: Do that job. Let's talk about it. So let's talk
[31:41] Speaker 1: about that controversial moment at the end of regulation. We
[31:44] Speaker 1: got the video right here. So, Stuart Thompson strips Donovan Mitchell.
[31:49] Speaker 1: He gets tangled up with Jared Allen.
[31:51] Speaker 2: That's a good defense.
[31:52] Speaker 1: Feared to get tripped. Both going for the ball. Yeah,
[31:55] Speaker 1: that's not a foul.
[31:56] Speaker 3: That's a foul, dog.
[31:57] Speaker 1: No imminent possession.
[31:57] Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. If it's not at
[31:59] Speaker 3: the end of the game, if it's the first quarter,
[32:02] Speaker 3: are they calling that?
[32:03] Speaker 1: If it goes out of bounds, I don't think no.
[32:05] Speaker 5: I think if James Harden gets that ball and it
[32:09] Speaker 5: don't go out of bounds, they might call that foul.
[32:11] Speaker 2: That's a foul, dog.
[32:12] Speaker 1: So no comment.
[32:13] Speaker 3: Look at Jared Allen's reaction to it. Tells me he
[32:16] Speaker 3: think it's a foul.
[32:18] Speaker 2: He kind of just like failed.
[32:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
[32:22] Speaker 5: Think about losing the game on that. Think about losing
[32:25] Speaker 5: the game on that play.
[32:27] Speaker 2: How?
[32:28] Speaker 5: The referees can't dictate the game like that.
[32:31] Speaker 2: How does he fall?
[32:31] Speaker 1: How does he go back?
[32:33] Speaker 2: He, like, fell.
[32:34] Speaker 1: How?
[32:34] Speaker 2: He sold that fall.
[32:36] Speaker 1: No, no.
[32:37] Speaker 6: You can't lose the game on that. You can't lose
[32:40] Speaker 6: the game on that.
[32:41] Speaker 2: Bro, did you see how he fell? Like, he kind
[32:43] Speaker 2: of just.
[32:43] Speaker 5: That's contact. Yes, that's contact. He's trying to sell the call.
[32:47] Speaker 5: He's trying to sell it.
[32:48] Speaker 1: You have the benefit of slow motion replays. You thinking live,
[32:51] Speaker 1: real-time action. Ref is going to see that. Standing right there.
[32:54] Speaker 1: They see everything else.
[32:55] Speaker 2: He see it, yeah.
[32:57] Speaker 6: You know who was right there, right?
[32:58] Speaker 2: Tony brother.
[32:58] Speaker 1: Tony motherfucking brother.
[32:59] Speaker 2: Tony ain't calling that.
[33:01] Speaker 5: He's not going to be responsible for the game going
[33:04] Speaker 5: one way or the other on this call when I
[33:06] Speaker 5: cannot call it.
[33:08] Speaker 2: Let's go to overtime.
[33:09] Speaker 1: Why not?
[33:10] Speaker 2: Let's go to overtime.
[33:11] Speaker 6: Let's not dictate it right there.
[33:12] Speaker 1: Once I saw who was right there, I'm like, oh, no,
[33:13] Speaker 1: he ain't blowing it.
[33:14] Speaker 5: I would go with you if it was up one,
[33:16] Speaker 5: down one, one of those situations where if you don't
[33:18] Speaker 5: call it, this team wins. I think it's different. But
[33:21] Speaker 5: for it to be even, don't call it, let's go
[33:24] Speaker 5: into overtime, y'all.
[33:24] Speaker 3: Both got a chance. I know he wasn't going to
[33:26] Speaker 3: call it, but you know how to do a job
[33:27] Speaker 3: as well. But once I saw who it was, yeah,
[33:30] Speaker 3: I knew he wasn't.
[33:31] Speaker 6: Going to call it. 57%, like you said, from the
[33:33] Speaker 6: free throw line, shit.
[33:35] Speaker 1: Tony others, but one of the top-rated officials in the
[33:38] Speaker 1: league has voted on by the MVP.
[33:40] Speaker 8: And by the way, Tony Brothers said after the game,
[33:43] Speaker 8: incidental contact.
[33:44] Speaker 1: Incidental. So let's listen to J.B. Bickerstaff and Kay Cunningham
[33:47] Speaker 1: and what they had to say about that particular play.
[33:50] Speaker 1: He fouled a star. It's clear. He trips him when
[33:54] Speaker 1: he's going for a loose ball.
[33:56] Speaker 2: In the game situation, you know, that's tough.
[33:59] Speaker 7: We all saw the play. I think it's pretty clear
[34:01] Speaker 7: it was a foul. He has the ball in his possession.
[34:04] Speaker 7: He's running forward.
[34:05] Speaker 2: He gets tripped up.
[34:08] Speaker 1: That's a foul.
[34:09] Speaker 2: It's been a foul the whole rest of the game.
[34:11] Speaker 1: We weren't a foul that time. That's my thing.
[34:13] Speaker 7: Close game. I mean, nobody wants to make that call,
[34:15] Speaker 7: I guess. Everybody just wants to, you know, allow the
[34:17] Speaker 7: game to... sort itself out, so nobody wanted to interfere
[34:22] Speaker 7: with it whenever it should have.
[34:23] Speaker 1: Been a foul. Tony Brothers crew chief on that referee
[34:27] Speaker 1: crew had a pool report after the game was asked about,
[34:29] Speaker 1: obviously that play said, during live play, both players were
[34:33] Speaker 1: going for the ball. There was incidental contact with the
[34:36] Speaker 1: legs with no player having possession of the ball. So
[34:39] Speaker 1: he decided not to call. Yeah. Absolutely.
[34:41] Speaker 3: I knew why he didn't, but I knew why he
[34:43] Speaker 3: didn't call.
[34:43] Speaker 2: I think he still sold it. I think he still
[34:45] Speaker 2: just kind of just.
[34:46] Speaker 5: It was like, I think them two just made comments
[34:49] Speaker 5: because they lost the game.
[34:51] Speaker 1: They win that game. He ain't talking about that play.
[34:53] Speaker 3: No, of course they asked them about it because it
[34:55] Speaker 3: was the game they ended up losing.
[34:57] Speaker 6: But they lost after the fact.
[34:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying so if they end up winning in overtime.
[35:03] Speaker 5: That call would have helped them win the game before overtime.
[35:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, so if they end up winning the game in overtime,
[35:08] Speaker 3: then there's nothing to.
[35:09] Speaker 1: Ask them about.
[35:09] Speaker 5: There's nothing to say, but I'm saying you had the opportunity.
[35:12] Speaker 5: You had the opportunity to win the game in overtime.
[35:15] Speaker 2: But they could still ask that question if they won.
[35:17] Speaker 2: They can, but you could still say, yeah, we thought
[35:19] Speaker 2: it was good.
[35:20] Speaker 3: On just another basketball thing, like a sore Thompson.
[35:23] Speaker 1: Right.
[35:25] Speaker 3: You're another one out there. Like, you're doing everything you
[35:27] Speaker 3: can defensively, young man. You're playing your ass off. You
[35:31] Speaker 3: get two feet in the paint, young man, you got
[35:32] Speaker 3: to shoot the ball.
[35:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's scared.
[35:35] Speaker 3: You are hurting your team, right? Cade making the right play.
[35:39] Speaker 3: He don't need you to hockey assist all the time.
[35:42] Speaker 3: Put the ball on the rim, man. You're more athletic
[35:44] Speaker 3: than most people. You can put it on the rim
[35:46] Speaker 3: and go back and get it if you're not confident
[35:47] Speaker 3: in the first shot. But at times, your team is
[35:50] Speaker 3: playing four on five offensively. You got to put the
[35:53] Speaker 3: ball on the rim, young fella. You get two feet
[35:56] Speaker 3: in the paint, make a miss. Give yourself opportunity, man.
[36:01] Speaker 3: It's tough.
[36:03] Speaker 1: Is he putting him in a bad spot? Yeah. I'm
[36:05] Speaker 1: talking about are they putting Amon in a bad spot?
[36:09] Speaker 3: No, they put him in a position to succeed, I believe.
[36:13] Speaker 3: I don't know if his confidence is not there with
[36:15] Speaker 3: his offensive ability yet. Like, he shoot the corner three
[36:18] Speaker 3: sometimes if you're wide open.
[36:19] Speaker 1: I get that.
[36:20] Speaker 3: But there's other plays to be made in the paint
[36:22] Speaker 3: in certain situations that I... Let's say last night, you
[36:28] Speaker 3: overpassing at times.
[36:29] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[36:30] Speaker 2: Right?
[36:31] Speaker 5: Well, I think also, like, he plays a different position
[36:34] Speaker 5: than said, put Tobias Harris in that position that can
[36:38] Speaker 5: hit that shot, that's confident in turning the... and let
[36:41] Speaker 5: him play dunker Sean Marion. He's a Sean Marion type
[36:44] Speaker 5: of player. But he's catching the ball within that.
[36:47] Speaker 8: Right.
[36:47] Speaker 6: They're putting him in that position, though.
[36:49] Speaker 3: To get the bitch and do that. Like, that's all
[36:51] Speaker 3: I'm saying.
[36:51] Speaker 6: And you got shot blockers down there, too.
[36:53] Speaker 8: Cool.
[36:53] Speaker 5: You got two monster shot blockers. He's like, ah!
[36:56] Speaker 3: So, well, you can't worry about that.
[36:58] Speaker 1: It's just a turnover for him.
[36:59] Speaker 3: But you can't worry about that.
[37:00] Speaker 5: A shot for him in that scenario is a turnover,
[37:03] Speaker 5: which he sees like, okay, hockey assist, like you're saying.
[37:07] Speaker 5: Like he gets it and it's like, hey, like, go ahead,
[37:09] Speaker 5: young fella, you got it. And he's like, no, I don't.
[37:12] Speaker 6: Let me throw it. But if that's a Tobias, right?
[37:16] Speaker 3: But you need Tobias in the corner for shooting, so
[37:17] Speaker 3: Tobias is in the corner.
[37:18] Speaker 5: You're going to have to put him, you're going to
[37:20] Speaker 5: have to put Amon in the dunker.
[37:22] Speaker 1: Like you do his brother sometimes.
[37:24] Speaker 3: And then you're going to have to play Levert. You're
[37:26] Speaker 3: going to have to play Fassor. You're going to have
[37:28] Speaker 3: to play them. You're going to have to play somebody else.
[37:30] Speaker 1: But he your defender. He your main defender. You need
[37:33] Speaker 1: him out there.
[37:34] Speaker 2: You need him on the floor.
[37:35] Speaker 1: You need Jenkins.
[37:36] Speaker 3: And you need Jenkins out there because he's the other offensive.
[37:38] Speaker 8: The defensive job that Asar Thompson did on Donovan Mitchell
[37:41] Speaker 8: was extraordinary for four quarters because Donovan couldn't buy one.
[37:45] Speaker 8: He was one of nine, I think, until overtime. And
[37:49] Speaker 8: then to his credit, because he's got greatness in him,
[37:53] Speaker 8: He started making shots when they had to make shots.
[37:56] Speaker 1: Yep.
[37:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
[37:58] Speaker 1: They were in scramble mode at that point.
[37:59] Speaker 3: And the blocker sort of had on, was it Jared
[38:03] Speaker 3: Allen in the paint? Came out of nowhere. You make plays, man.
[38:08] Speaker 3: That same athleticism that you display defensively, it works on
[38:12] Speaker 3: the other end. Like, it really does.
[38:15] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell, 415, normally 14 points in the first four
[38:18] Speaker 1: quarters of this game.
[38:19] Speaker 2: Three for three.
[38:21] Speaker 8: One of nine in the second half. One of nine.
[38:23] Speaker 1: He was struggling.
[38:25] Speaker 6: But look, three for three, overtime.
[38:27] Speaker 1: Look, we got to step up.
[38:29] Speaker 6: Got to step up.
[38:30] Speaker 3: We got more game to play.
[38:31] Speaker 1: We got to step up.
[38:32] Speaker 3: And you'll believe the next one going in.
[38:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, let me redeem myself.
[38:35] Speaker 6: He was locking me up, but God damn it, it's
[38:37] Speaker 6: a game on the line.
[38:38] Speaker 1: James went for eight. Let me try.
[38:39] Speaker 3: He's going to keep playing. He's going to keep firing
[38:42] Speaker 3: because they need him.
[38:44] Speaker 8: And then, Kenyon, to your point about Jalen Duren. I've
[38:50] Speaker 8: been watching your game many, many years, seeing a lot
[38:53] Speaker 8: of these kids come and go, mostly go. But what
[39:00] Speaker 8: was in you and is in you is not in him.
[39:05] Speaker 8: Your intangibles were extreme. Your effort was extreme. Your ferocity
[39:11] Speaker 8: was extreme. Your commitment to play an every second of
[39:17] Speaker 8: every game was extreme, and I just can't find it
[39:20] Speaker 8: in him, and I don't know if you can call
[39:23] Speaker 8: it out of him. I'm just not sure because they've
[39:26] Speaker 8: been trying.
[39:26] Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they have.
[39:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[39:28] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[39:30] Speaker 8: Sometimes you can't teach it coach it or coax it
[39:33] Speaker 8: you it's I don't know yeah he looks the part
[39:38] Speaker 8: yeah absolutely yeah Absolutely.
[39:42] Speaker 1: Dern's defense, though, 22 years old. He's been in the
[39:44] Speaker 1: league a couple years.
[39:45] Speaker 3: But if he ain't playing hard now, he's not going
[39:46] Speaker 3: to play hard.
[39:47] Speaker 1: 12 and 11 last season.
[39:47] Speaker 3: Once Skip is making, if he's not playing hard now,
[39:50] Speaker 3: he's not going to play hard.
[39:51] Speaker 1: But it's just a learning moment for him. He took
[39:52] Speaker 1: accountability after the game.
[39:54] Speaker 2: I mean, last year, what happened last year?
[39:55] Speaker 3: He took accountability in every game. I was in front
[39:58] Speaker 3: last year.
[39:59] Speaker 1: Every game in 11. You're going to.
[40:00] Speaker 2: Be in the same position next year.
[40:02] Speaker 1: 12 and 11 last year, but shot 65% of the field.
[40:03] Speaker 2: I'm saying the team is going to be in the
[40:04] Speaker 2: same position next year, so I don't know how you're
[40:06] Speaker 2: going to play.
[40:07] Speaker 3: And they finna pay him. The thing is... He's going
[40:10] Speaker 3: to make probably all NBA team, right? He's an all-star.
[40:14] Speaker 3: He's going to make, he's a free agent. He's going
[40:16] Speaker 3: to make upwards of $ 200 million.
[40:17] Speaker 1: Five-year, $ 290 if he makes all NBA, $ 240 if he
[40:20] Speaker 1: doesn't make the all NBA team.
[40:21] Speaker 3: So $ 240 at worst, case scenario, this summer for him, right?
[40:25] Speaker 3: So what incentive does he have to look.
[40:27] Speaker 1: In the mirror?
[40:28] Speaker 2: He has a lot.
[40:29] Speaker 1: He has a lot.
[40:29] Speaker 5: He has a lot because he's 22, remember. And think
[40:32] Speaker 5: about this. He has credentials right now. He has a
[40:36] Speaker 5: certain pedigree right now.
[40:38] Speaker 3: That was given.
[40:39] Speaker 2: Of course.
[40:40] Speaker 5: But you got to remember what kind of pedigree he's
[40:42] Speaker 5: a part of. The Detroit Pistons. Now, I'm not going
[40:46] Speaker 5: to blame them and seniority and... The history of that
[40:51] Speaker 5: organization not to come back and talk to him.
[40:53] Speaker 1: Man, Ben Wallace.
[40:54] Speaker 2: She, Ben.
[40:54] Speaker 5: Ben Wallace at every game. McDyess, I know, but I'm
[40:57] Speaker 5: not saying if they talking to him or not. But
[40:59] Speaker 5: you got Mahorn, Lambeer.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Every game. You got these guys around and they're seeing
[41:04] Speaker 1: what we're seeing. Right?
[41:06] Speaker 6: And the lack of rebounding is one thing.
[41:08] Speaker 5: Like, I think that Detroit Pistons always done is rebound
[41:11] Speaker 5: the fucking ball.
[41:12] Speaker 1: Box out and rebound.
[41:13] Speaker 2: Okay.
[41:14] Speaker 5: So, regardless if it's effort or he's just checked out.
[41:18] Speaker 5: the mental side of what's going on in this day
[41:20] Speaker 5: and age, this generation is higher than we can expect.
[41:25] Speaker 1: I think seeing how he played against Orlando. The Wendell Carter.
[41:29] Speaker 1: I don't want to get too deep into the woods.
[41:33] Speaker 5: But that, social media-wise.
[41:35] Speaker 3: That should make you play against that man even harder.
[41:39] Speaker 2: But not if he's coming at me even harder.
[41:42] Speaker 1: Yes, it should.
[41:43] Speaker 5: He's coming at me based on some other shit. And
[41:49] Speaker 5: if my shit not going down and I'm struggling, it
[41:52] Speaker 5: makes me, I'm digging a bigger hole for myself. because
[41:55] Speaker 5: I'm trying to get out of it based on retaliation
[41:58] Speaker 5: and numbers.
[42:00] Speaker 1: But we winning, though.
[42:00] Speaker 2: So if we get out of this, we win.
[42:02] Speaker 6: I got another chance. Yeah, that's what it is.
[42:05] Speaker 1: I got out of there.
[42:05] Speaker 6: All right, next check. But you got a harder task now.
[42:09] Speaker 5: That task, Wendell Carter ain't Evan Mobley and Jared Allen.
[42:13] Speaker 5: You got two-headed monster that's really trying to bite your
[42:16] Speaker 5: head off. So now you know you really got to
[42:19] Speaker 5: bring it there. We are really expecting you to bring
[42:22] Speaker 5: it as a team. And what's happening with K when
[42:24] Speaker 5: I see his press conferences is he can't even say
[42:28] Speaker 5: me and me and Jalen Durden.
[42:31] Speaker 6: He can't say us.
[42:32] Speaker 1: They're extremely close. Spent a lot of time together in
[42:34] Speaker 1: the offseason. I know, you know.
[42:36] Speaker 5: So those conversations between the two should happen. Like, if
[42:41] Speaker 5: I'm Kane after game two, I'm going over there. I'm like, hey, J,
[42:45] Speaker 5: what's going on, bro? Are you in your head? There's
[42:48] Speaker 5: something going on at home. Work-related potential. You know what
[42:51] Speaker 5: I'm saying? Some chicks going on. Whatever it is, bro,
[42:53] Speaker 5: I need you here with me.
[42:55] Speaker 1: We down.
[42:55] Speaker 2: We were up 2-0 Now we're down 3-2.
[43:00] Speaker 5: We got a chance to make history based on us
[43:03] Speaker 5: being number one all year.
[43:05] Speaker 1: J.B.
[43:05] Speaker 5: Bickerstaff, old team, is now playing us. We got them 2-0.
[43:09] Speaker 5: We can take them out. And now we in a
[43:13] Speaker 5: discrepancy based on what Kenyon is identifying as effort. that
[43:18] Speaker 5: cannot be the outlier with an all-pro player. You cannot
[43:23] Speaker 5: come to the table and say, hey, bro, I need
[43:25] Speaker 5: you to play harder. That's the one thing a coach
[43:26] Speaker 5: can't teach you. A coach can't pull that out of you.
[43:29] Speaker 5: That's all you. So, like you said, go to the mirror,
[43:32] Speaker 5: do whatever you need to do.
[43:34] Speaker 3: So my thing is, right, you look at the guy
[43:36] Speaker 3: that played behind you and the guy that played behind him, right?
[43:38] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[43:39] Speaker 3: It ain't a far, like, Look or reach to see
[43:49] Speaker 3: what effort looks like.
[43:50] Speaker 1: Right, right.
[43:51] Speaker 8: Right?
[43:52] Speaker 3: It's not a hard, you got two guys in there
[43:55] Speaker 3: that play, but you're the starter and them dudes want
[43:58] Speaker 3: it more than you.
[43:59] Speaker 1: Yep.
[43:59] Speaker 2: It's the mentors here. It's got to be mentors here.
[44:02] Speaker 3: So, dude, what you going to say, man? I just
[44:05] Speaker 3: be baffled, man. That's one thing you can control, man,
[44:09] Speaker 3: is how hard you play and your effort.
[44:11] Speaker 2: All right?
[44:12] Speaker 4: Because what's going to happen next year? You're going to
[44:13] Speaker 4: be in the same position. Detroit not going nowhere. They're
[44:15] Speaker 4: going to be good next year. You're going to be
[44:16] Speaker 4: in the same position. You're going to see these guys again.
[44:18] Speaker 4: I'm a year older.
[44:21] Speaker 5: I'm a year older. I got the summer to really reflect.
[44:24] Speaker 5: If you think about how we do as players, if
[44:26] Speaker 5: you really care about the game and you go back
[44:28] Speaker 5: and watch that film or that last series that put
[44:30] Speaker 5: you out and you got to really soak that up,
[44:33] Speaker 5: that's going to be troublesome for whether you reach that
[44:37] Speaker 5: pinnacle or you go down into the.
[44:39] Speaker 4: So what happened last year against the Knicks? They didn't
[44:41] Speaker 4: learn nothing. I'm certain I thought they learned from last year.
[44:44] Speaker 4: I mean, they were number one all year.
[44:46] Speaker 3: Well, they got– I mean, but– Hey, look.
[44:48] Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just saying last year against the Knicks,
[44:50] Speaker 4: they felt like they should have won that.
[44:52] Speaker 3: Lost in the first round last year.
[44:54] Speaker 1: I think– Lost in the first round last year.
[44:55] Speaker 3: First time really winning. Second round this year. They'll make
[44:58] Speaker 3: a conference final next year.
[44:59] Speaker 1: All-star. They ain't lost.
[45:00] Speaker 2: They ain't lose yet. They ain't lose yet. They ain't
[45:03] Speaker 2: lose yet.
[45:04] Speaker 1: What are you, 21-10 right now? 21-10 for the season?
[45:07] Speaker 1: Cleveland was– That was 20, I think, 20-11.
[45:09] Speaker 3: Oh, and whatever the road was, Detroit had only one–
[45:12] Speaker 3: they only got one road win.
[45:14] Speaker 2: The whole playoffs?
[45:15] Speaker 3: The whole playoffs. They got one road win. Detroit Piston
[45:18] Speaker 3: have one road win. So it's telling me that they,
[45:22] Speaker 3: them and Cleveland both got one road win now in
[45:25] Speaker 3: the playoffs. Cleveland take care of home. They undefeated. The
[45:32] Speaker 3: writing's on the wall, dog.
[45:33] Speaker 6: And that was the energy last night, though. The energy
[45:35] Speaker 6: in Detroit was we need to.
[45:36] Speaker 1: Take care of home.
[45:37] Speaker 2: Them losing in overtime.
[45:38] Speaker 3: I know K's saying that shit. Them losing in overtime.
[45:43] Speaker 3: Gut punch.
[45:44] Speaker 2: For sure.
[45:44] Speaker 1: Especially the way it happened. Gut punch.
[45:47] Speaker 2: I don't know, man. Air out.
[45:48] Speaker 1: Air out.
[45:49] Speaker 2: Cleveland might beat the shit out of them boys. I
[45:51] Speaker 2: would love to see. I would love to see Detroit
[45:52] Speaker 2: and Cleveland in a game.
[45:53] Speaker 1: Cleveland might come in. It would be a great game.
[45:55] Speaker 2: You know what time it is.
[45:57] Speaker 6: Back in Detroit. Paging Scott Foster.
[45:59] Speaker 3: Cleveland might come in and beat the hell out of
[46:01] Speaker 3: them boys.
[46:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they beat the hell out of them.
[46:03] Speaker 1: It might be a blowout. A blowout?
[46:05] Speaker 3: It might be a blowout.
[46:06] Speaker 2: I don't think K going out like that.
[46:07] Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're... I don't know, man.
[46:14] Speaker 2: The playoffs is weird.
[46:15] Speaker 3: Donovan had a good half.
[46:18] Speaker 2: But I'm just saying the playoffs is weird this year.
[46:20] Speaker 3: Donovan had a good half. He ain't played like he's
[46:24] Speaker 3: having 30, but he's just been. I mean, he had
[46:27] Speaker 3: that game, though. The game, but I'm saying we top
[46:30] Speaker 3: to bottom one of them.
[46:33] Speaker 5: I just think he do. You don't got Duncan Robinson
[46:37] Speaker 5: out there. And you depending on Amon Thompson to do
[46:41] Speaker 5: your dirty work.
[46:42] Speaker 1: I mean, I can get another 30. You know, I
[46:44] Speaker 1: have a question.
[46:45] Speaker 3: Skip, you've been around this game and watched this game
[46:47] Speaker 3: longer than I've been on this planet, right?
[46:49] Speaker 1: All of us.
[46:50] Speaker 3: Have you ever seen situations where guys sit out a
[46:54] Speaker 3: playoff game and then play the next playoff game as
[46:56] Speaker 3: much as they do now?
[46:57] Speaker 1: Weird as fuck. Right.
[46:59] Speaker 3: If you're not healthy enough to play in this one,
[47:01] Speaker 3: you got one day in between the game.
[47:03] Speaker 6: You better not bring your ass back in here and
[47:05] Speaker 6: try to play.
[47:05] Speaker 2: What you doing? We needed you last night.
[47:08] Speaker 1: No, we don't need you tonight.
[47:09] Speaker 6: We don't need you tonight.
[47:10] Speaker 1: We figured it out. We figured it out.
[47:12] Speaker 2: What the fuck?
[47:13] Speaker 8: How does Duncan Robinson wake up yesterday morning and say,
[47:16] Speaker 8: I have a stiff back, man.
[47:18] Speaker 2: I can't go.
[47:18] Speaker 1: Need to back you out of me.
[47:20] Speaker 8: What?
[47:21] Speaker 6: Back the bags.
[47:22] Speaker 1: What?
[47:23] Speaker 8: And now what? And by the way, not to make
[47:26] Speaker 8: any excuses for the Pistons, but Duncan Robinson, he's a
[47:29] Speaker 8: key piece, man. He's 44% from three in the playoffs
[47:34] Speaker 8: and he was 41% during the regular season. you don't
[47:36] Speaker 8: think he could have made, he's got big balls for.
[47:39] Speaker 3: And to keep him honest though, because you can't help
[47:41] Speaker 3: off of him. So K, they.
[47:42] Speaker 8: Don't get the double team as much. He could give
[47:47] Speaker 8: you just a couple threes last night.
[47:49] Speaker 1: Nine, nine points.
[47:50] Speaker 8: Just one, if you're up nine and he makes one
[47:52] Speaker 8: and you're up 12, the crowd goes berserk.
[47:55] Speaker 3: Just to threat him being out there. Whether he's making
[47:58] Speaker 3: it or not, Skip.
[47:58] Speaker 8: I agree, come on, man.
[47:59] Speaker 3: The fact that he's out there.
[48:01] Speaker 2: Decoy.
[48:02] Speaker 1: He's a decoy threat.
[48:03] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[48:05] Speaker 3: Because he shoots the ball at 44% of the three,
[48:07] Speaker 3: you have to pay him attention, right? I just, yeah,
[48:10] Speaker 3: you can't, you're not going, until everybody buys in, man,
[48:14] Speaker 3: and put everything in, you're going to have situations like.
[48:18] Speaker 6: This, man.
[48:20] Speaker 8: I got spoiled covering Jordan because he played all 82
[48:23] Speaker 8: nine times and he played 81 once and 81. So
[48:27] Speaker 8: he's just going to play. If he got the flu,
[48:30] Speaker 8: he's going to play. If he ate bad pizza the
[48:32] Speaker 8: night before, he's just going to play. I don't know.
[48:33] Speaker 3: And look at a guy like John Stockton, right? You
[48:36] Speaker 3: don't mean to tell me fucking John Stockton had ailments
[48:38] Speaker 3: and nicks and bruises and bang that some of them gained? No,
[48:44] Speaker 3: I don't know. Look at people like that, man. I'm
[48:46] Speaker 3: pretty sure he had some shit that hurt.
[48:49] Speaker 8: Right?
[48:49] Speaker 3: Even in these playoffs.
[48:50] Speaker 1: That we're playing right now. Pretty sure he got some shit.
[48:53] Speaker 3: He woke up after one of the games and was like.
[48:56] Speaker 5: AC Green, too.
[48:58] Speaker 6: AC Green.
[49:00] Speaker 5: I just don't get it.
[49:02] Speaker 3: When a meaningful game... Regular season, some guys, I get it.
[49:05] Speaker 3: You need a day... All right, it's a lot of games.
[49:08] Speaker 3: It's a lot of shit going in between the regular
[49:09] Speaker 3: season games. I think you should play. But if you
[49:11] Speaker 3: want to take one off in the regular season, a
[49:13] Speaker 3: guy like Cade, Bron, Luke, all the guys, Donovan, guys
[49:17] Speaker 3: that's carrying the load, Giannis, that's carrying the load for
[49:20] Speaker 3: your team, and you playing Sacramento on a random Tuesday,
[49:23] Speaker 3: and you need a day off, all right.
[49:27] Speaker 1: It's sack.
[49:27] Speaker 2: Cool.
[49:27] Speaker 1: We in sack. It's cool.
[49:29] Speaker 3: But playoffs.
[49:31] Speaker 1: Playoffs. We need this.
[49:32] Speaker 2: Playoffs.
[49:33] Speaker 1: We saw the same issue with the Cavs last year. Yeah,
[49:35] Speaker 1: you was talking about that.
[49:36] Speaker 3: DeAndre Hunter and Evan Mobley set out the fucking game.
[49:39] Speaker 3: You can't trust them.
[49:40] Speaker 2: How?
[49:40] Speaker 1: Right? So you can't trust them.
[49:42] Speaker 2: This ain't, this ain't over.
[49:44] Speaker 3: So now I think they learned, like, whatever it is, like,
[49:46] Speaker 3: we got to fight through shit, man. Like, we in
[49:48] Speaker 3: this shit together, then, to the point we was making,
[49:50] Speaker 3: and you walk back in here getting ready to put
[49:52] Speaker 3: your fucking jersey on the next day, as a teammate,
[49:56] Speaker 3: as a competitor... I got an issue with you. I
[50:00] Speaker 3: got a whole problem with you. That this shit is
[50:03] Speaker 3: on our season on the line and we fight for
[50:05] Speaker 3: something and you motherfuckers decide like.
[50:07] Speaker 2: You ain't got it today.
[50:08] Speaker 5: And we got another motherfucker over here that's saying he
[50:11] Speaker 5: ain't got it, but he ain't saying I ain't got it.
[50:13] Speaker 1: He just ain't got it.
[50:14] Speaker 3: He just ain't got it.
[50:15] Speaker 2: So we got two motherfuckers that ain't showing up that ain't.
[50:18] Speaker 5: Got it and we need all the pieces we can get.
[50:20] Speaker 2: And y'all are two important pieces. Two starters.
[50:24] Speaker 3: We need all these bullets in this gun and y'all ain't.
[50:27] Speaker 3: You bringing, putting blanks in here. Like, nah, we need
[50:31] Speaker 3: your production, dog. Like, that's sitting out a playoff game
[50:34] Speaker 3: shit is weird, dog.
[50:35] Speaker 1: Cavs need this, dog. Cavs need this. They're going to
[50:38] Speaker 1: take it.
[50:38] Speaker 5: James Harden made the decision to go to the Cavaliers
[50:41] Speaker 5: with this right here. And he showed up the last
[50:44] Speaker 5: two games to show everybody that I'm not playing around
[50:47] Speaker 5: this time.
[50:48] Speaker 6: This time, I'm going to change it.
[50:50] Speaker 5: And that's what I love about narratives that push he's
[50:53] Speaker 5: going to do the same thing he's been doing. I
[50:56] Speaker 5: feel like there's always an opportunity to change at this time.
[50:59] Speaker 5: There's always this opportunity, no matter how consistent I've been
[51:03] Speaker 5: with fucking it up.
[51:04] Speaker 8: It has been.
[51:05] Speaker 2: It's been consistent with fucking it up.
[51:06] Speaker 8: It's a long history, man.
[51:07] Speaker 2: But if I can do one for eight, it's better
[51:11] Speaker 2: than O for eight.
[51:12] Speaker 1: Okay.
[51:12] Speaker 2: Give me one for eight. I like James' chances to
[51:15] Speaker 2: get him over the hump.
[51:16] Speaker 8: I mean, I like that he scored 30 last night,
[51:19] Speaker 8: and he made a bunch of big shots.
[51:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[51:23] Speaker 8: The last two games.
[51:24] Speaker 5: Donovan Mitchell's down four for 15. The least I can
[51:27] Speaker 5: do is carry us to this point.
[51:30] Speaker 1: Actually, I have a question.
[51:31] Speaker 3: The foul on Tobias Harris when James kicked his feet out.
[51:36] Speaker 2: I didn't like it.
[51:38] Speaker 3: Did you think it was offensive foul?
[51:40] Speaker 1: I just feel like James did that. James went like that.
[51:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's offensive foul. Because if I'm.
[51:45] Speaker 1: Right. And he pushed his feet out. He did.
[51:48] Speaker 3: And they called a foul on Tobias, right?
[51:50] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[51:51] Speaker 1: J.B.
[51:51] Speaker 3: Didn't have no challenges because he had challenged that thing
[51:54] Speaker 3: in the third quarter.
[51:55] Speaker 1: He had.
[51:55] Speaker 3: He had no challenges. Once again, coaches.
[51:59] Speaker 1: Stop doing this fucking shit.
[52:01] Speaker 3: No, no, no. The players didn't do it. This was
[52:03] Speaker 3: all on J.B. You can't do. It's too valuable. Them
[52:11] Speaker 3: challenges are too valuable in the playoffs. First three quarters. Listen,
[52:16] Speaker 3: unless you know it's blatant proof that K got three fouls,
[52:21] Speaker 3: and that's his fourth foul in the third quarter, and
[52:24] Speaker 3: you got blatant proof that it is, then you do it.
[52:28] Speaker 3: But if it's challenging things before the fourth quarter, man,
[52:32] Speaker 3: the last five minutes of the fourth quarter, Like, they
[52:37] Speaker 3: challenged some shit late, knew they wasn't going to get it,
[52:38] Speaker 3: but he had a challenge.
[52:40] Speaker 6: Right.
[52:40] Speaker 8: Yep.
[52:40] Speaker 1: Right.
[52:40] Speaker 3: That out-of-bounds shit, you wanted them to go call because
[52:44] Speaker 3: James kicked his feet out again.
[52:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[52:45] Speaker 8: He did.
[52:46] Speaker 1: You wanted them to go review it.
[52:47] Speaker 3: To see if they were going to call a foul
[52:48] Speaker 3: on Tobias again.
[52:49] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[52:49] Speaker 3: It was the exact same play that they called the
[52:52] Speaker 3: foul on Tobias the first time, but you don't have
[52:53] Speaker 3: your challenge.
[52:55] Speaker 1: Yep. That's unfortunate.
[52:56] Speaker 3: Stop using them coaches before then, man. Like, it ain't
[53:00] Speaker 3: worth it.
[53:01] Speaker 5: Because they're giving you opportunities to use it in these
[53:05] Speaker 5: tight situations down the stretch for the whole severity.
[53:09] Speaker 1: Of the game.
[53:10] Speaker 2: So think about it.
[53:12] Speaker 5: We playing. You a coach, I'm a coach. The whole,
[53:16] Speaker 5: let's say the first three quarters. We not even thinking
[53:19] Speaker 5: about using that shit because the game's gonna play out
[53:22] Speaker 5: the way the game played.
[53:23] Speaker 1: The ref missed a call, he missed a call.
[53:24] Speaker 5: Hey, get your ass back down. Get down there and
[53:27] Speaker 5: run back on defense.
[53:28] Speaker 2: Stop, stop. Don't even look at me and do this.
[53:30] Speaker 6: You do this to me as a player, you're coming out.
[53:33] Speaker 5: Fourth quarter, we need our fucking replays based on what
[53:37] Speaker 5: happens in the last two minutes. Two-minute drill football. We
[53:40] Speaker 5: got the two-minute drill. This is where we need our replays.
[53:43] Speaker 5: Anything happened in this time, everything that happened before, it
[53:47] Speaker 5: don't matter. We can't change none of that. But we
[53:49] Speaker 5: can challenge it now because we got enough to do that.
[53:51] Speaker 5: But when you don't and you just doing shit to
[53:54] Speaker 5: appease guys or the Lakers, JJ be doing that shit,
[53:56] Speaker 5: Dagnoff be doing that shit.
[53:59] Speaker 2: For what?
[54:01] Speaker 6: Because the player feel like he got fouled?
[54:03] Speaker 2: Fuck him. Get your ass up and get back down
[54:05] Speaker 2: to court.
[54:05] Speaker 3: Like Max Schluess did it last night early and motherfuckers.
[54:07] Speaker 6: He did.
[54:08] Speaker 1: Kenny Ackers was like, dude, no.
[54:09] Speaker 2: Watch out.
[54:10] Speaker 3: It was a foul. Whatever he was challenging, we saw it.
[54:13] Speaker 6: It happened.
[54:14] Speaker 2: It was a foul.
[54:14] Speaker 3: But, dude, I can't afford to waste it right now.
[54:19] Speaker 3: It's too important. Like, possession, it's a possession. The ball
[54:25] Speaker 3: is too important. Just like turnovers and all that shit
[54:28] Speaker 3: is important, them challenges are important. Treat it the same way,
[54:32] Speaker 3: because you only get one if you lose it. Like,
[54:35] Speaker 3: that's the thing.
[54:35] Speaker 1: Like, you got to.
[54:39] Speaker 1: Even if you get it right and you got the
[54:40] Speaker 1: second one, you got to burn the time out for it.
[54:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to burn the time out to get it,
[54:43] Speaker 3: which is crazy. The fucking rules is flawed, right?
[54:47] Speaker 1: Y'all fucking up.
[54:47] Speaker 3: You fucking up, and I challenge, and I get it right,
[54:49] Speaker 3: and I still get penalized.
[54:51] Speaker 2: Like, how does that?
[54:52] Speaker 1: Because you challenging the referees.
[54:53] Speaker 6: You're making Tony others look bad.
[54:56] Speaker 1: What do your job? Don't guess.
[54:58] Speaker 3: Call what you see.
[55:00] Speaker 1: He's the judge, jury, executioner. Yeah. So Detroit was down
[55:04] Speaker 1: 3-1 in the first round to the Magic before getting
[55:06] Speaker 1: three straight wins. Now they need a winning game six
[55:09] Speaker 1: in Cleveland to keep their season alive. Do we feel
[55:11] Speaker 1: like the Pistons have another comeback in?
[55:13] Speaker 3: Oh, I have to. Lose four straight games?
[55:17] Speaker 1: Tough.
[55:18] Speaker 2: They've done it before.
[55:18] Speaker 8: I'm done.
[55:20] Speaker 1: Shit.
[55:21] Speaker 6: I'm done. We'll put you out.
[55:23] Speaker 8: I learned my lesson from you. You talk.
[55:24] Speaker 2: We'll put you out.
[55:26] Speaker 8: Oh, let's go.
[55:27] Speaker 1: I ain't no Cleveland fan either. I don't like them niggas,
[55:30] Speaker 1: but I'm.
[55:30] Speaker 6: Going with them this year.
[55:32] Speaker 3: Lose four straight.
[55:33] Speaker 2: Now, listen. If Cleveland win and play the Knicks, that's
[55:36] Speaker 2: going to be a different. That's a good matchup.
[55:39] Speaker 4: That's a very good matchup. That shakes things up a
[55:41] Speaker 4: little bit. Because Cleveland got them bigs that can move.
[55:45] Speaker 1: Yeah. Spurs, OKC, Knicks, Cavs. We talking about some good
[55:51] Speaker 1: shit going on.
[55:52] Speaker 4: It's going to be Donovan Mitchell versus Brunson. Donovan Mitchell
[55:55] Speaker 4: versus Brunson. Donovan Mitchell versus Brunson, for sure.
[55:58] Speaker 3: Watch parties.
[56:00] Speaker 1: You ain't got to come, Joe.
[56:01] Speaker 5: Cat versus them two big boys. Hey, baseball season almost over. Robinson,
[56:04] Speaker 5: Mitchell Robinson, Jared Allen.
[56:05] Speaker 1: It's a little bump, man. That's a good bump. Yeah.
[56:08] Speaker 1: You got Strews and Josh Harden.
[56:10] Speaker 2: Max. Yeah.
[56:12] Speaker 1: James Harden and Bridges.
[56:15] Speaker 3: Yo, I'm coaching too. They playing Mobley and Allen together.
[56:18] Speaker 3: I'm playing Mitchell Robinson and Cat.
[56:19] Speaker 1: Why not?
[56:21] Speaker 3: I'm coaching this year.
[56:22] Speaker 2: I'm not playing small.
[56:23] Speaker 3: I'm not playing because Cat and Mobley, that's a good matchup.
[56:25] Speaker 1: But is OG going to be back? We don't know.
[56:28] Speaker 1: That's a big difference.
[56:30] Speaker 2: What is it, hamstring? Yeah.
[56:32] Speaker 3: You know how that is.
[56:33] Speaker 1: Last time he had it, I think it was against
[56:34] Speaker 1: the Pacers, they tried to bring him back for that
[56:36] Speaker 1: game seven. That was last year? 20, yeah. Whatever it is, that.
[56:41] Speaker 2: Hammy, man.
[56:41] Speaker 1: So that shit is reoccurring around the same time. Yeah,
[56:44] Speaker 1: a couple years ago. Oh, dude, let me find out.
[56:46] Speaker 5: We need to investigate your ass.
[56:48] Speaker 8: So Cleveland went and got James because he's played in
[56:50] Speaker 8: 186 playoff games. And it's... started to show the last
[56:55] Speaker 8: two games, just on sheer playoff experience, because again, Cade's
[56:59] Speaker 8: played in 18. And alongside James, you got Donovan Mitchell,
[57:04] Speaker 8: who's played in 75 playoff games, and Strews has played
[57:07] Speaker 8: in 76 playoff games, just for the record, and that
[57:09] Speaker 8: showed last night.
[57:10] Speaker 1: He was with Miami.
[57:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
[57:12] Speaker 8: And just for the record, little Schroeder, who... I just
[57:17] Speaker 8: respect it. I know he bounces, but he's a difference
[57:20] Speaker 8: maker to me, and he's played in 86 playoff games.
[57:23] Speaker 8: He's just been there and done all of them.
[57:25] Speaker 2: That's a good one.
[57:27] Speaker 3: My wife was like, yo, he play for them?
[57:29] Speaker 2: He does.
[57:30] Speaker 3: She was like, he didn't play for them. She's like,
[57:32] Speaker 3: he play for every NBA team, right?
[57:35] Speaker 1: Five within the last year. Yeah, he reminds me.
[57:40] Speaker 8: Quick NFL reference, C.J.
[57:41] Speaker 1: Gardner-Johnson.
[57:42] Speaker 8: I don't know if you guys– but he just floats
[57:43] Speaker 8: from team to team, and everywhere he goes, something good happens.
[57:46] Speaker 1: He's good.
[57:46] Speaker 2: The team's good.
[57:47] Speaker 8: They're like, wait, wait, he went to Buffalo now. Watch Buffalo.
[57:51] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[57:52] Speaker 8: He'll pick off seven passes this year and change all
[57:54] Speaker 8: those games.
[57:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[57:55] Speaker 8: But that's like Schroeder. He just– He just knows how
[57:58] Speaker 8: to play. Yeah. And he ain't afraid of nobody.
[58:00] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:01] Speaker 8: And no moment is too big for him. He'll take big,
[58:04] Speaker 8: even when he was a Laker, he would make big shots.
[58:06] Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember, but.
[58:07] Speaker 1: Oh, we remember.
[58:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good, that's a good.
[58:09] Speaker 1: Play with his bread.
[58:10] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[58:10] Speaker 3: Whatever you want to call it, that's a good, like
[58:12] Speaker 3: something to have, a card to have in your pocket.
[58:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little Uno. A little Uno, yeah, yeah.
[58:17] Speaker 3: Draw four.
[58:18] Speaker 8: Reverse, reverse. And then, to your point, Tobias has played
[58:23] Speaker 8: in 79 playoff games because of the Sixers, okay? Yeah.
[58:26] Speaker 8: But he's an okay third wheel, but now he's not
[58:29] Speaker 8: a second star. And you're saying, oh, they're doubling Cade
[58:33] Speaker 8: and Strews is all up into Cade. Tobias, you got to.
[58:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to do it.
[58:37] Speaker 2: You got to.
[58:37] Speaker 8: And he shot six of 19. And he made a
[58:39] Speaker 8: couple shots, but he's Tobias Harris. He's not that guy.
[58:43] Speaker 1: I think 0 for 8 in the fourth quarter when
[58:45] Speaker 1: they double Cade on those possessions.
[58:47] Speaker 5: I like it i like your point to that though
[58:49] Speaker 5: because when you're asking tobias because we've been asking for
[58:52] Speaker 5: him to be more than what he's already been in
[58:56] Speaker 5: 20 20 23 we said he went got his 30
[58:59] Speaker 5: so now we're like tobias you got to be the
[59:01] Speaker 5: good number two now.
[59:02] Speaker 3: All right so let's tell so skip we were so
[59:05] Speaker 3: we were having a conversation about kate needs help right
[59:08] Speaker 3: yeah and we were all in an agreement that Tobias'
[59:13] Speaker 3: window of his production is from 15 points to 25 points, right?
[59:18] Speaker 2: Okay.
[59:19] Speaker 3: We were in agreement, we were like, yo, he, He
[59:21] Speaker 3: averaged a 15, and the most he can give you
[59:23] Speaker 3: any given night was 25.
[59:25] Speaker 8: All right.
[59:26] Speaker 1: 25, 25.
[59:26] Speaker 2: I said a 30.
[59:28] Speaker 1: Okay, maybe.
[59:28] Speaker 3: I was fighting the 30, right?
[59:30] Speaker 1: We was both fighting it. Brandon went out on a
[59:32] Speaker 1: limb and was like.
[59:33] Speaker 2: You're going to get us 30.
[59:35] Speaker 3: The very next game, he went out and he had
[59:36] Speaker 3: the 32, right?
[59:39] Speaker 2: Nailed it.
[59:40] Speaker 3: The very next game, he went out and had 32.
[59:41] Speaker 3: I was like, ah, damn.
[59:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
[59:43] Speaker 3: But he's a solid, consistent player, but– He's not your
[59:50] Speaker 3: second option.
[59:51] Speaker 8: No.
[59:51] Speaker 3: He has been playing great in these playoffs. He's one
[59:54] Speaker 3: of the, if not the main, without, okay, I'm saying
[59:57] Speaker 3: one of the main reasons they got out of the
[59:58] Speaker 3: first round.
[59:59] Speaker 8: Okay.
[59:59] Speaker 1: His play.
[1:00:01] Speaker 3: So far in this series, he has played great. Struggled yesterday.
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: but then that's times when your all-star needs to show up. Yes,
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: and I was just about to say that.
[1:00:11] Speaker 5: If we get 20 and 11 from the guy we're
[1:00:15] Speaker 5: supposed to get 20 and 11 from, Tobias thrives as
[1:00:19] Speaker 5: a third option.
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: His off night is not.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:00:23] Speaker 3: The way he's been playing has been a cherry on
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: the sun, right? The way Tobias has been playing has
[1:00:29] Speaker 3: been a cherry on the sun.
[1:00:30] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: You need that all-star to be himself, and then when
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: Tobias is having a Tobias night, his 15, then it's
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: not as detriment as it.
[1:00:46] Speaker 8: Was last night. So last night, they needed 25 from Tobias,
[1:00:49] Speaker 8: and they got 13 on six of 19 and one
[1:00:52] Speaker 8: of seven from three. He had off-night shoes.
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: He had off-night.
[1:00:55] Speaker 6: But he's taking the shots, though.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: He had off-night.
[1:00:58] Speaker 5: We needed 25 from him, right? He had 13. We
[1:01:02] Speaker 5: only had nine from Durden. Give us 11 more points
[1:01:08] Speaker 5: from Durden.
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: We didn't have Duncan Robinson.
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: No. We had Jenkins give us 19.
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: He did.
[1:01:16] Speaker 6: So we're talking about.
[1:01:18] Speaker 5: A full, like the Detroit Pistons is full-bodied? they're just
[1:01:24] Speaker 5: as good as any other team when you talk about
[1:01:26] Speaker 5: talent that can show up. But when you don't have
[1:01:29] Speaker 5: them guys all on the court, you're looking at a
[1:01:32] Speaker 5: potential sweep of the Cleveland Cavaliers if they play consistent
[1:01:36] Speaker 5: with who's supposed to show up and do what.
[1:01:38] Speaker 8: That is true.
[1:01:39] Speaker 5: And then you're looking at, all right, we got one
[1:01:41] Speaker 5: guy not playing and another guy, we got to take
[1:01:43] Speaker 5: these guys to seven because we're not being the number
[1:01:47] Speaker 5: one team in the East that we're supposed to be.
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: We're allowing the number six. They're number six, right? Cleveland
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: was six? Mm-hmm. Or they're four.
[1:01:54] Speaker 8: Four.
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: They're four right now.
[1:01:55] Speaker 5: So you're allowing the Cleveland Cavaliers to come in here
[1:01:57] Speaker 5: and look like a better team than we are based
[1:02:00] Speaker 5: on production.
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: True.
[1:02:01] Speaker 3: And, you know, so Detroit Pistons built up a bunch
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: of Dallas guys.
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all know that or not.
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: Where are we?
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: Jenkins, Holland, Cade.
[1:02:12] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: Sasser.
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Sasser, too? Yeah.
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: Y'all played against Sasser and his uncle and his pops
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: and them in high school.
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Well, don't lose, man. From one D to the other.
[1:02:25] Speaker 5: Figure that Dallas shit out.
[1:02:28] Speaker 1: I like Jenkins, though. Jenkins tough.
[1:02:30] Speaker 3: He going to be trying to dunk on Allen and
[1:02:32] Speaker 3: Mobley down there, motherfucker. I'm like, yeah, all right, young fella.
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[1:03:21] Speaker 6: All right, well, it's going to get turned up.
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: You said you had to be making seven figures.
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: Is that what they said? Keynes, you know the show
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: is not for broke boys. I see.
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: Shit.
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: Those are other shows out there. Huh? What happened?
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: They're saying the little net sweep things that you need
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: to be making seven figures.
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: Like, how many? As LeVar Ball once said, if you
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: can't afford Big Baller brand, that means you are not
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: a Big Baller. You are not a Big Baller.
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: I bought them shits, too.
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: I bought them. $ 500 for them shits. LeVar, thank you
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: for sending me that extra T-shirt a couple years ago.
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Let's get into another situation. We dressed
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: a little bit on the show yesterday. Decided to save
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: it for today. So, Skip, you made an appearance on
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: First Take last week, first time in 10 years, you
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: and Steve and I. Both dressed nice, dressed to impress,
[1:04:05] Speaker 1: looking good. Flares out, already doing it. And during that appearance,
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: you discussed your top 10 players of all time. So
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: here's that list for the sake of reference. So you
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: got MJ in the top spot, followed by Magic, Shaq, Kareem,
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: Tim Duncan 5, Bill 6, Kobe Bryant, 7th. Larry Bird, 8th. LeBron,
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: Raymond James Sr., 9th on that list. And Will Chamberlain
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: rounding out that top 10. So LeBron, 9th on your
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: top 10 list. As I alluded to earlier in the show, Skip,
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: I want to know, what are you smoking to think
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: LeBron is the 9th? Best player in NBA history.
[1:04:49] Speaker 8: Smoking nothing.
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: Pass it around. Patchouli.
[1:04:56] Speaker 8: So Josiah's going to not like me even more than
[1:04:59] Speaker 8: ever after this one.
[1:05:00] Speaker 1: No, it's good we're friends now. We don't have to
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: like the same players. All right.
[1:05:04] Speaker 8: I just say what I see and what I've been
[1:05:06] Speaker 8: seeing for lo these 23 years. And you can ask
[1:05:09] Speaker 8: my wife. I don't miss LeBron games. Watch every dribble.
[1:05:14] Speaker 8: So first. Allow me for the 1,000th time each to
[1:05:19] Speaker 8: hit the three all-time positives in LeBron James' basketball game.
[1:05:25] Speaker 8: He is the greatest power driver of the basketball I
[1:05:29] Speaker 8: have ever seen. Born left-handed, plays right-handed, ambidextrous at the rim.
[1:05:35] Speaker 8: He is obviously a generational passer who takes my breath
[1:05:39] Speaker 8: away a couple times a night where I just say, wow, that's...
[1:05:45] Speaker 8: That's a gift from above right there. And he is
[1:05:48] Speaker 8: obviously the most durable athlete I have ever seen in
[1:05:53] Speaker 8: any sport, anywhere, anytime. He is the longevity king.
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: Brongevity, as we call him. Yeah.
[1:06:00] Speaker 8: And I'm going to knock on wood saying this. 23 years,
[1:06:05] Speaker 8: 41 years of age and no surgeries. It's just, it's,
[1:06:10] Speaker 8: it's impossibly blessed is what he has been. Give you
[1:06:14] Speaker 8: all that. But I do have him ninth and I
[1:06:17] Speaker 8: will defend it with all my heart and soul for you.
[1:06:21] Speaker 8: It's going to take a minute because of two glaring deficiencies.
[1:06:26] Speaker 8: So everybody you saw above nine on my list to
[1:06:31] Speaker 8: me are all cold-blooded basketball killers, every single one of them.
[1:06:37] Speaker 8: And I'll whip through the list in just a second
[1:06:39] Speaker 8: for you, starting with that guy at the top who
[1:06:43] Speaker 8: had the greatest clutch toughness I have ever been around.
[1:06:46] Speaker 8: And I was around Michael in Chicago. I was there
[1:06:50] Speaker 8: in 1998 for the last dance season. And as gifted
[1:06:57] Speaker 8: as LeBron James is, he has proven time and time
[1:07:01] Speaker 8: again to me to be the mentally most fragile superstar
[1:07:06] Speaker 8: I have ever closely observed. His resume is stained again
[1:07:12] Speaker 8: and again with epic playoff fails that I will quickly
[1:07:16] Speaker 8: detail for you in just a moment. He has been
[1:07:22] Speaker 8: notorious as a late game free throw shooting liability. because he,
[1:07:29] Speaker 8: by superstar standards, is just a poor free throw shooter
[1:07:33] Speaker 8: at 74% for his career. Jordan was 84%, all the
[1:07:37] Speaker 8: greats were above this. Obviously not the centers, the post players.
[1:07:43] Speaker 8: But for a point guard slash point forward to be
[1:07:47] Speaker 8: only a 74% free throw shooter at 74%, It's just
[1:07:51] Speaker 8: unacceptable if you want to move him.
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: Up the list.
[1:07:54] Speaker 8: It just disqualifies you because you're better than that. You
[1:07:57] Speaker 8: keep telling us that you're in the lab all off-season,
[1:08:00] Speaker 8: but you never were able to improve 74%. You guys
[1:08:06] Speaker 8: were better free throw shooters than that.
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, you were. You were.
[1:08:15] Speaker 8: Three-point shooting, 35%, and he used to be high volume,
[1:08:18] Speaker 8: and to his credit, he's toned that way down, but
[1:08:21] Speaker 8: this year he was 32%, which ranked fourth from the
[1:08:25] Speaker 8: bottom in the NBA, and I'm not holding him accountable
[1:08:29] Speaker 8: for year 23, but by superstar standards, a poor free
[1:08:34] Speaker 8: throw shooter and a poor three-point shooter. And this brings
[1:08:42] Speaker 8: me to this list, and I mentioned Jordan, and maybe
[1:08:46] Speaker 8: it's because I've been on TV for so long with
[1:08:50] Speaker 8: opponent after opponent trying to convince me that LeBron is
[1:08:52] Speaker 8: better than Jordan. So wait, you're telling me that the
[1:08:57] Speaker 8: mentally most fragile playoff playoff I've ever observed as a
[1:09:01] Speaker 8: superstar is better than the toughest mentally player I ever
[1:09:07] Speaker 8: closely observed in Michael Jeffrey Jordan? It's just laughable to me.
[1:09:11] Speaker 8: It's blasphemous to me. It's outrageously wrong to me. They
[1:09:17] Speaker 8: don't belong in the same debate. So, So I can't
[1:09:21] Speaker 8: even start with that one because you can't start with it.
[1:09:25] Speaker 8: Which brings me to Magic. Despite that million dollar smile
[1:09:32] Speaker 8: of his, and I think you can appreciate this, beneath
[1:09:36] Speaker 8: that smile was a cold-blooded killer. The greatest leader winner
[1:09:42] Speaker 8: I ever saw. And he had five rings and he was,
[1:09:49] Speaker 8: as you recall, the most outstanding player of a Final
[1:09:53] Speaker 8: Four championship game over Larry Bird, which led to him
[1:09:57] Speaker 8: being the first Magic, being the first rookie ever to
[1:10:00] Speaker 8: win NBA Finals MVP the next year because he stood
[1:10:04] Speaker 8: in for Kareem in Game 6 at Philadelphia and went 42-15-7.
[1:10:08] Speaker 8: And he did win three Finals MVPs, and he did
[1:10:13] Speaker 8: win three regular season MVPs, and Yeah, I was around
[1:10:17] Speaker 8: those teams, and I got to know him. And listen,
[1:10:21] Speaker 8: game for my life, I want Magic overseeing my game.
[1:10:24] Speaker 8: I want him orchestrating for me on both ends. I
[1:10:28] Speaker 8: saw him one year. I was in Dallas covering the Mavericks.
[1:10:31] Speaker 8: They had a player named Roy Tarpley you might not remember.
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: We know Roy.
[1:10:34] Speaker 8: Yeah, okay. So seven feet tall.
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: I had to turn up.
[1:10:38] Speaker 8: Hey, he had his issues off the floor, but on
[1:10:41] Speaker 8: the floor he was a monster player. And this was
[1:10:45] Speaker 8: game seven of the Western Conference Finals at the Fabulous Forum.
[1:10:49] Speaker 8: And I was sitting there in the front row and
[1:10:50] Speaker 8: the press row. And I watched Magic go in the
[1:10:54] Speaker 8: huddle between quarters and say, I got Roy Tarpley in
[1:10:57] Speaker 8: the fourth quarter. And he took Roy Tarpley out of
[1:11:01] Speaker 8: the game, scoreless in the fourth quarter. And the Lakers
[1:11:04] Speaker 8: won it and went on to beat Detroit in the finals.
[1:11:07] Speaker 8: Which brings me to Shaq. There were three years of
[1:11:10] Speaker 8: Shaquille O'Neal in which He was the most overpowering, intimidating
[1:11:15] Speaker 8: force on both ends of the floor I ever saw,
[1:11:17] Speaker 8: and it ain't even close. Just awe-inspiring. So he did
[1:11:26] Speaker 8: it all. It was a short time, but he was
[1:11:29] Speaker 8: three-time finals MVP and deserved every one of them. Which
[1:11:33] Speaker 8: brings me to Kareem. The most unstoppable shot I ever
[1:11:36] Speaker 8: saw was the skyhook.
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: So.
[1:11:39] Speaker 8: Six rings and six regular season MVPs and three finals MVPs.
[1:11:44] Speaker 8: I don't know, just he was the opposite of Shaq.
[1:11:49] Speaker 8: He didn't terrorize. He just was unstoppable. He just beat
[1:11:54] Speaker 8: you and beat you and beat you. And you don't
[1:11:56] Speaker 8: talk about a big game, big shot taker and maker.
[1:11:59] Speaker 8: It was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Some people make the case that
[1:12:02] Speaker 8: he was the GOAT. Which brings me to Tim Duncan
[1:12:06] Speaker 8: and I was close to those Spurs teams and Talk
[1:12:10] Speaker 8: about leadership. Beyond Popovich leadership, the driving force of a
[1:12:16] Speaker 8: dynasty was Tim Duncan, who would have six rings, if
[1:12:21] Speaker 8: not for the greatest clutch shot I ever saw, which
[1:12:24] Speaker 8: was Ray Allen's clutch shot that ended Game 6 of 2013.
[1:12:28] Speaker 8: And he's another one.
[1:12:36] Speaker 8: If my life is on the line, I want Tim
[1:12:38] Speaker 8: Duncan on my side because he's just going to, there's
[1:12:43] Speaker 8: no splash and flash to it. He's just going to
[1:12:46] Speaker 8: make big shots at big moments and get big rebounds
[1:12:49] Speaker 8: and make big passes and block big shots, which brings
[1:12:53] Speaker 8: me to maybe the most controversial name on my list
[1:12:56] Speaker 8: because it precedes even me. I'm not old enough to
[1:12:59] Speaker 8: have really grasped how great he was, but I've sure
[1:13:02] Speaker 8: talked to a lot of people who appreciate what Mr.
[1:13:06] Speaker 8: Russell did with 11 rings in 12 tries, lost one
[1:13:12] Speaker 8: finals early in his career, and he won the last
[1:13:17] Speaker 8: two as a player coach, and he won five MVPs,
[1:13:20] Speaker 8: but the main thing that he did was he went
[1:13:22] Speaker 8: up against the greatest stat machine in the history of basketball,
[1:13:26] Speaker 8: Wilt Chamberlain. Eight times they played in playoff series, and
[1:13:30] Speaker 8: seven times Bill Russell won He was what you're saying.
[1:13:36] Speaker 8: He was the essence of energy, effort, ferocity, commitment. You
[1:13:44] Speaker 8: ain't going to beat me. You're three inches taller than me.
[1:13:47] Speaker 8: And I'm going to take you out of this game
[1:13:49] Speaker 8: because I'm going to outwill you. I'm going to outsmart you.
[1:13:54] Speaker 8: And Bill Russell at 6'10 could jump out of the gym.
[1:13:58] Speaker 8: To me, the greatest defensive player ever, the greatest shot
[1:14:02] Speaker 8: blocker until Wimby came along, but more athletic than Wimby
[1:14:05] Speaker 8: to me, more explosively athletic at 6'10 than Wimby. And
[1:14:11] Speaker 8: as a player coach, he was the essence of the
[1:14:15] Speaker 8: biggest dynasty we've ever seen. And you can say playing
[1:14:18] Speaker 8: against plumbers and white guys and whatever you want to say.
[1:14:21] Speaker 8: I don't know. He's playing against Wilt Chamberlain, who's 10th
[1:14:23] Speaker 8: on my list and would be higher if not for
[1:14:26] Speaker 8: what Bill Russell did to him. Kobe Bean Bryant. Again,
[1:14:32] Speaker 8: I do one game for my life. LeBron or Kobe,
[1:14:37] Speaker 8: stop it.
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: I want to live.
[1:14:39] Speaker 8: I want Kobe. Give me Kobe.
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: Damn.
[1:14:42] Speaker 2: I want to live. Can I live?
[1:14:44] Speaker 1: Yes. Larry Bird.
[1:14:47] Speaker 8: Same idea. One game for my life. Give me Larry
[1:14:52] Speaker 8: Joe Bird. As gutsy a clutch shooter as I ever saw.
[1:14:58] Speaker 8: And just a bad MF. Just would tell you what
[1:15:03] Speaker 8: he's going to do to you and do it at
[1:15:05] Speaker 8: the highest level in the biggest games. And if there
[1:15:08] Speaker 8: hadn't been a Magic, he would have won seven straight, whatever.
[1:15:13] Speaker 8: He would have dominated the 80s. And that brings me
[1:15:17] Speaker 8: to LeBron. And for all his greatness, the inability to
[1:15:22] Speaker 8: shoot and the epic fails... just drop him down the
[1:15:28] Speaker 8: list because he just wasn't as mentally tough as all
[1:15:33] Speaker 8: those guys I just detailed for you. And maybe I
[1:15:36] Speaker 8: should let you guys respond before I go through the
[1:15:39] Speaker 8: litany of epic fails because I want to walk you
[1:15:41] Speaker 8: through and get you to respond. But let me open
[1:15:44] Speaker 8: it up here.
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: You know they lead with stats.
[1:15:47] Speaker 5: You know, Skip, you're going to have to tighten up
[1:15:50] Speaker 5: your stats because LeBron is the king of stats.
[1:15:52] Speaker 1: Epic fail. Was there anything positive? Well, In LeBron's career?
[1:15:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, he laid off with that.
[1:16:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. Well, I mean, for me, I got
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: Bron number one. You know, I think.
[1:16:07] Speaker 8: Better than Michael Jordan.
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Bron number one.
[1:16:10] Speaker 4: I think LeBron James is an American dream. For one,
[1:16:13] Speaker 4: we can start talking about off the court, how he
[1:16:16] Speaker 4: built his brand. Okay, but I'm not doing off the court. But,
[1:16:20] Speaker 4: I mean, it's everything, so I love that part. But
[1:16:22] Speaker 4: then let's go with the way how he... Played for
[1:16:26] Speaker 4: three different teams. Over 10,000 points with three different teams.
[1:16:32] Speaker 4: As a number one option, he's the only player in
[1:16:35] Speaker 4: NBA history to win a championship, be finals MVP with
[1:16:39] Speaker 4: three different teams. The most playoff wins without an all-NBA player.
[1:16:45] Speaker 4: The most playoff wins without any all-star players. The most playoff.
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: Wins... than any other player.
[1:16:56] Speaker 4: Man, I mean, Jesus, I mean, he's had three Hall
[1:17:03] Speaker 4: of Fame careers with the Cavs, Miami, and the Lakers,
[1:17:08] Speaker 4: averaging over 25 points a night. He's number one in
[1:17:15] Speaker 4: players of the week, you know, getting player of the week,
[1:17:19] Speaker 4: getting player of the month.
[1:17:20] Speaker 2: He's number one. He scraps that. He has the most 30.
[1:17:24] Speaker 4: I want to say where he has the most 30
[1:17:26] Speaker 4: and 10 point games in the playoffs.
[1:17:29] Speaker 2: 35 and 10 dimes. He has 124.
[1:17:30] Speaker 4: The next person is Jerry West, which is 10. The
[1:17:34] Speaker 4: most 40, 10 and five playoff games. That's LeBron with 10.
[1:17:38] Speaker 4: Shaq is with four and Mike is third with four.
[1:17:42] Speaker 4: If we want to talk about clutch, if we want
[1:17:44] Speaker 4: to talk about the way you had to do it,
[1:17:45] Speaker 4: I think he had the hardest way to do it
[1:17:47] Speaker 4: because he went to different teams and he made it
[1:17:50] Speaker 4: his team and he was the number one guy.
[1:17:52] Speaker 2: We talk about clutch. You talk about Larry Bird.
[1:17:54] Speaker 4: He was terrible in a clutch when it's time for
[1:17:57] Speaker 4: Boston to win.
[1:17:58] Speaker 2: If you look at those closeout games, he was terrible.
[1:18:01] Speaker 8: Well, playing the Lakers.
[1:18:02] Speaker 2: I mean, he was terrible when it counted for them
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: to close out.
[1:18:09] Speaker 4: And then just, I mean, you know, most 25 and
[1:18:12] Speaker 4: 5 playoff games before 30 and after 30, Jordan is
[1:18:15] Speaker 4: at 73.
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: He's at 80.
[1:18:15] Speaker 1: I mean....
[1:18:22] Speaker 8: You do realize LeBron has played far more games regular
[1:18:26] Speaker 8: season and playoffs than anybody ever.
[1:18:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:18:32] Speaker 4: I mean, he played against 30% of all NBA players
[1:18:34] Speaker 4: in history.
[1:18:35] Speaker 8: That wasn't about baseball, but go ahead. Yes, it wasn't
[1:18:39] Speaker 8: about baseball.
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:18:41] Speaker 4: He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2008
[1:18:43] Speaker 4: while he was still playing. I mean, the list is just–
[1:18:48] Speaker 4: I mean, that's just the facts. I mean, he's not–
[1:18:50] Speaker 4: one in scoring, second in assists.
[1:18:52] Speaker 8: Did you ever see Jordan play?
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: That's, what, the Dream Team thing?
[1:18:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm inducted into the Hall of Fame.
[1:19:00] Speaker 2: I'm in the Hall of Fame. I'm still playing.
[1:19:01] Speaker 1: All right.
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: We know he's going, but that's the team.
[1:19:03] Speaker 2: But I'm in the Hall of Fame.
[1:19:05] Speaker 3: We know he's going. That's the team.
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: That don't count.
[1:19:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm still in the Hall of Fame.
[1:19:08] Speaker 3: That don't count for him.
[1:19:09] Speaker 1: Yes, it does.
[1:19:09] Speaker 2: I'm in the Hall of Fame.
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: Not yet. We ain't going to give you that one.
[1:19:11] Speaker 4: I've been inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2008.
[1:19:14] Speaker 6: I mean, that is.
[1:19:15] Speaker 5: There's a lot more shit that LeBron done did to
[1:19:19] Speaker 5: say that he's number one.
[1:19:20] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.
[1:19:21] Speaker 4: Basically breaking down everything he did in the playoffs. He
[1:19:23] Speaker 4: said he wasn't clutch. He has the most wins of everything.
[1:19:26] Speaker 1: Okay, he's played longer than everybody should.
[1:19:28] Speaker 4: I mean, I have the most playoff wins with no
[1:19:31] Speaker 4: all-NBA players, no All-Stars.
[1:19:33] Speaker 2: Who? LeBron James. He has the most wins.
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: With who?
[1:19:36] Speaker 4: With no all-NBA player and no All-Stars. I mean, so
[1:19:42] Speaker 4: what road are we talking about? That's a hard– that
[1:19:44] Speaker 4: looked like a hard road. I mean, we talk about
[1:19:47] Speaker 4: Tim Duncan. Yeah, he's in the system.
[1:19:49] Speaker 2: He played for one team.
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: How many championships should he have in 23 seasons?
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: He has four.
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: How many should he have?
[1:19:56] Speaker 2: He has four.
[1:19:57] Speaker 1: That's all.
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: That's what God wanted.
[1:19:58] Speaker 1: Did he have 15?
[1:19:59] Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, that's a, if that's what you want.
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. In 23 years. I mean, nobody has it right.
[1:20:07] Speaker 1: Nobody has, right.
[1:20:08] Speaker 2: Shouldn't, shouldn't the goat be doing shit that nobody has
[1:20:11] Speaker 2: done before.
[1:20:13] Speaker 1: Does Jordan have 15?
[1:20:14] Speaker 2: How many does he have? He has six. He has six.
[1:20:18] Speaker 2: So why does Bron have 15?
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: And he never lost when he was in the finals.
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: You can't lose in the finals if you don't make
[1:20:24] Speaker 1: it to the finals.
[1:20:25] Speaker 5: But you can lose six times in the finals if
[1:20:28] Speaker 5: you do make it to the finals.
[1:20:29] Speaker 2: Most top three finishes and MVP?
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: We talked about this yesterday because you said the business.
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: The business model of basketball.
[1:20:37] Speaker 3: He could have more than them, Brandon. The only thing
[1:20:40] Speaker 3: that you named that he should have more MVPs, I agree.
[1:20:44] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: Who, LeBron? Should have more MVP.
[1:20:46] Speaker 2: No, I said he finished top three.
[1:20:47] Speaker 3: I'm saying, so them, he should have more, right? Because
[1:20:50] Speaker 3: they had to find somebody else to give it to.
[1:20:53] Speaker 3: Other guys were playing well. But at any given year
[1:20:56] Speaker 3: during that run he had in Cleveland, he could have been.
[1:20:59] Speaker 2: MVP of the league.
[1:21:00] Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely.
[1:21:01] Speaker 1: So Kevin Durant got an MVP. Jeff Curry got two MVPs.
[1:21:04] Speaker 3: It's the same thing with Jordan McFadden.
[1:21:06] Speaker 2: They gave it to Barkley.
[1:21:07] Speaker 5: James Hart and Russell Westbrook. Them was supposed to be LeBron.
[1:21:11] Speaker 3: But other guys were playing well, so they had to
[1:21:13] Speaker 3: reward those guys as well. But if it would have
[1:21:15] Speaker 3: ended up on his mantle, again, wouldn't nobody have anything
[1:21:19] Speaker 3: to say is what I'm saying.
[1:21:21] Speaker 8: Right?
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: So skip with your list, right?
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: I hear you.
[1:21:25] Speaker 3: Like I told you yesterday, I think you fucking crazy.
[1:21:34] Speaker 8: But.
[1:21:35] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're right here.
[1:21:41] Speaker 2: They think we crazy. But tell me why.
[1:21:46] Speaker 3: Listen, I thought about it from when I saw it
[1:21:49] Speaker 3: the first time and I'm like, If you really want
[1:21:54] Speaker 3: to get to the notes and both of them, if
[1:21:56] Speaker 3: you don't like, you ain't got to like LeBron. Nobody
[1:21:59] Speaker 3: has to like LeBron. At worst case, I'm thinking if
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: you're going to for it, right? I'm saying at worst case,
[1:22:07] Speaker 3: if you really dislike him, the route that he's taking,
[1:22:12] Speaker 3: everything that he's like, if you really dislike him, I'm
[1:22:15] Speaker 3: going to say at worst case scenario, for it.
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: But dude, all those other things work.
[1:22:21] Speaker 5: Into your advantage, which means you never left your team,
[1:22:25] Speaker 5: you got a good record in the finals and championship pedigree,
[1:22:29] Speaker 5: killer instinct, all of these things are working for you.
[1:22:33] Speaker 5: So you got Timmy, you got Hakeem, you got Magic.
[1:22:36] Speaker 6: You got Mike.
[1:22:37] Speaker 1: Why is the metric of not leaving your team a
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: team that you didn't.
[1:22:40] Speaker 6: Pick to go to?
[1:22:40] Speaker 2: And I took a harder road.
[1:22:42] Speaker 5: No, no, no, because you left on a loss. And
[1:22:45] Speaker 5: then you left on a loss. And then you left
[1:22:47] Speaker 5: on a loss again. And then you formed. Kareem played
[1:22:50] Speaker 5: with two teams, so I can't.
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: You're working in Cleveland. You get a job opportunity to
[1:22:54] Speaker 1: go to Miami. No, it ain't a job opportunity. I
[1:22:56] Speaker 1: don't know, but you formed.
[1:22:58] Speaker 3: No, no, no, Josiah, I'm not going to give you
[1:23:00] Speaker 3: that one.
[1:23:00] Speaker 6: You must stay in Cleveland.
[1:23:01] Speaker 2: You have the option to go play wherever you want.
[1:23:03] Speaker 3: Listen, no, Josiah. He made a conscious decision.
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: I want out of here.
[1:23:11] Speaker 3: I want out.
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: And you leave.
[1:23:13] Speaker 3: To a super team. And that's when the criticism starts.
[1:23:18] Speaker 1: But why?
[1:23:19] Speaker 3: Because the basketball world of people and community and everybody,
[1:23:27] Speaker 3: you couldn't.
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: Get it done there.
[1:23:28] Speaker 3: I'm not saying this is my words.
[1:23:32] Speaker 1: So you jump ship.
[1:23:34] Speaker 6: And who got it done in Cleveland before?
[1:23:36] Speaker 2: Nobody.
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: Nobody.
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: But you are chosen one on the back.
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: Greatest king.
[1:23:43] Speaker 3: All of these things are being said by the masses, right?
[1:23:46] Speaker 1: That's fair.
[1:23:47] Speaker 3: You jump ship. You go join a guy that was
[1:23:50] Speaker 3: in your draft.
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: That won already. Already established.
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: The criticism for a lot of people was warranted, right?
[1:24:02] Speaker 2: It was warranted.
[1:24:04] Speaker 3: You do go in, but at the same time, people
[1:24:08] Speaker 3: looked at your tenure in Miami as a failure. Because
[1:24:12] Speaker 3: of the team that you assembled, y'all handpicked this team
[1:24:18] Speaker 3: from the stars to the bench. This team was handpicked.
[1:24:22] Speaker 3: And for you to only get.
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: Two out of four.
[1:24:26] Speaker 2: Out of that?
[1:24:26] Speaker 1: Two out of four.
[1:24:27] Speaker 2: No, we got you.
[1:24:27] Speaker 3: Listen, for you to only, I'm not saying this is my,
[1:24:29] Speaker 3: but this is, for you to only get, this conversation
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: I've had with people, for you to only get two
[1:24:33] Speaker 3: out of that, was a failure.
[1:24:36] Speaker 2: Boston got one. That was a failure. And they was
[1:24:38] Speaker 2: the first victory.
[1:24:40] Speaker 6: They were older.
[1:24:41] Speaker 2: They were older.
[1:24:43] Speaker 5: And one guy from Boston went to go play with you.
[1:24:46] Speaker 2: One guy from Boston went to go play with you.
[1:24:49] Speaker 4: One guy from Boston went to go play with you.
[1:24:52] Speaker 3: One thing I can tell you for sure. One thing
[1:24:54] Speaker 3: I believe wholeheartedly. If Kevin Garnett goes and joins a
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: younger Ray Allen and a younger Paul Pierce, they have
[1:25:01] Speaker 3: more than one championship.
[1:25:02] Speaker 1: Possibly. I could tell you that shit.
[1:25:04] Speaker 2: They're not beating Kobe like that.
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: I could tell you that shit.
[1:25:06] Speaker 3: A younger KG, a younger Ray Allen, and a younger
[1:25:09] Speaker 3: Paul with a rondo and boy, yes, that team's win
[1:25:13] Speaker 3: more than one championship.
[1:25:15] Speaker 1: I believe that.
[1:25:16] Speaker 3: But with that said, why are people worried about what
[1:25:19] Speaker 3: they did?
[1:25:21] Speaker 1: They won one.
[1:25:22] Speaker 3: Right, so why are we worried about what Bronco did?
[1:25:26] Speaker 5: You self-proclaimed chosen one.
[1:25:29] Speaker 6: And this is Boston.
[1:25:31] Speaker 2: None of those three.
[1:25:32] Speaker 5: Guys are up for the GOAT conversation. None of those
[1:25:35] Speaker 5: three guys are up for the GOAT conversation. And they
[1:25:38] Speaker 5: will never be. So this guy is.
[1:25:41] Speaker 2: Look, I went to this spot. I went to this spot.
[1:25:44] Speaker 2: I went to this spot.
[1:25:45] Speaker 4: I got a stat right here on closeout games of
[1:25:47] Speaker 4: Michael Jordan for you. On closeout games, win or go home,
[1:25:50] Speaker 4: LeBron is averaging 33-10-7.
[1:25:51] Speaker 2: Mike is averaging 31-7-7.
[1:25:55] Speaker 4: And Mike is 6-7. LeBron is 15-14. So we're talking
[1:25:58] Speaker 4: about clutch.
[1:25:59] Speaker 2: I mean, win or go home.
[1:26:00] Speaker 3: Win or go home.
[1:26:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, win or go home games. That's my stats.
[1:26:04] Speaker 3: So when was those win or go home games?
[1:26:07] Speaker 6: In 1987. When?
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: They own there. When they happen. They own there. Oh,
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: they didn't happen during the 60s.
[1:26:11] Speaker 2: Oh, they didn't happen during the 60s.
[1:26:14] Speaker 4: They own there. They own there. But my thing is.
[1:26:17] Speaker 4: They said the guy went to clutch. The guy went
[1:26:19] Speaker 4: to three different teams, man.
[1:26:20] Speaker 3: Brandon, you can keep going and looking up every basketball
[1:26:23] Speaker 3: stat that's been fucking made.
[1:26:25] Speaker 2: For sure.
[1:26:26] Speaker 3: And LeBron James' name is going to be attached to it.
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
[1:26:30] Speaker 3: And you know what also exists at the same time?
[1:26:32] Speaker 8: What?
[1:26:33] Speaker 3: People watching basketball.
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: And seeing him. 2011, J.J.
[1:26:37] Speaker 6: Pereira, Jason Terry.
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: Eye test, right? People watching.
[1:26:42] Speaker 8: 2014.
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: And guess what? And guess what happened? While all those
[1:26:45] Speaker 3: numbers were being accumulated... Mm-hmm. And a lot of people,
[1:26:48] Speaker 3: there were a lot of failures being happened simultaneously as
[1:26:52] Speaker 3: those numbers were being put up.
[1:26:53] Speaker 5: 2017, 2018, the Golden State Warriors, Kevin Durant.
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: Back to back.
[1:27:02] Speaker 4: Exactly, LeBron played against a better era.
[1:27:05] Speaker 2: The top three players.
[1:27:06] Speaker 5: If you're the best, you playing against a better era,
[1:27:08] Speaker 5: you're supposed to perform better and win. You don't get
[1:27:11] Speaker 5: to lose against a better era and say.
[1:27:13] Speaker 2: I'm the GOAT when you didn't win.
[1:27:15] Speaker 5: So if you playing against better competition than me and
[1:27:18] Speaker 5: you say you better than me, you supposed to beat
[1:27:21] Speaker 5: the better competition.
[1:27:22] Speaker 2: I have more rings in my ear. Beat the competition
[1:27:24] Speaker 2: that's better. The three greatest player ever to play this
[1:27:27] Speaker 2: game is.
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: So you're the greatest player in your era.
[1:27:33] Speaker 4: I'm playing in the greatest era ever.
[1:27:37] Speaker 2: You just said I.
[1:27:40] Speaker 3: Have more rings than everybody in my era.
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: You just said that.
[1:27:45] Speaker 3: So you're the best player in your era.
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: But he's not.
[1:27:48] Speaker 6: Steph is the best player in his era.
[1:27:50] Speaker 1: I was getting to that.
[1:27:51] Speaker 3: I was going to get to that. With that said,
[1:27:56] Speaker 3: with your statement that he has more rings than everybody.
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: In his era.
[1:27:59] Speaker 2: They're tied. Him and Steph are tied.
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: So Who has more finals than MVP? LeBron James. Since 2015.
[1:28:05] Speaker 5: 2015 and beyond, LeBron James doesn't have an MVP. He
[1:28:06] Speaker 5: does not have an MVP since 2013. So this is
[1:28:08] Speaker 5: the thing.
[1:28:08] Speaker 6: LeBron James has a finals MVP and a ring in 2016.
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: He won one. 2016, he had an MVP finals because
[1:28:12] Speaker 1: he won the championship.
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: At worst case scenario with Skip's list, I think if
[1:28:30] Speaker 3: people really dislike the guy, you can be like, okay,
[1:28:32] Speaker 3: he's fourth, the greatest basketball player of all time.
[1:28:35] Speaker 1: Or nine. Or nine.
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: I don't like the fact that Steph's nine. Or nine. Listen,
[1:28:39] Speaker 2: I think Steph, LeBron James. That's my guy over there.
[1:28:43] Speaker 1: Or nine.
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: Five or nine. We good.
[1:28:45] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[1:28:46] Speaker 2: I think Steph, LeBron James, and Steph Curry are the
[1:28:48] Speaker 2: greatest three ever in the year.
[1:28:50] Speaker 1: Say it again now.
[1:28:51] Speaker 4: LeBron James, Steph Curry. And Kevin Durant are the best
[1:28:55] Speaker 4: three in any era.
[1:28:55] Speaker 2: In any era of what? In any era. You could
[1:28:58] Speaker 2: pick your best three in your era in basketball. That's
[1:29:00] Speaker 2: the greatest three that ever played this game. In any era.
[1:29:03] Speaker 2: I'll pick that three over anybody. On anybody's era.
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: Give me the Michael Jordan. Uh-huh. Who else? The Kareem Magic.
[1:29:09] Speaker 2: In the same era?
[1:29:10] Speaker 3: You said any era, nigga.
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: You said any era.
[1:29:12] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
[1:29:13] Speaker 1: You just said any era. That's fine. No, no, no.
[1:29:15] Speaker 3: You just said any era.
[1:29:16] Speaker 2: Your era.
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: No, my era.
[1:29:18] Speaker 2: No, he said.
[1:29:20] Speaker 5: No, I'm saying he's picking these three in this era
[1:29:24] Speaker 5: against any other three in any other era.
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
[1:29:26] Speaker 2: So your era. Yes, so your era.
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: Who was your three? I just gave you three. My era?
[1:29:30] Speaker 2: And your era. Yes, who was your three?
[1:29:31] Speaker 3: When I was in the NBA?
[1:29:32] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:29:33] Speaker 3: Trace McGrady.
[1:29:33] Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
[1:29:35] Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal.
[1:29:37] Speaker 2: They're going to get barbecued.
[1:29:39] Speaker 1: Who's guarding Shaq?
[1:29:40] Speaker 2: Shaq got to come outside. No, he don't. He got
[1:29:44] Speaker 2: to guard this. It's six fouls.
[1:29:48] Speaker 1: Six fouls. Brandon.
[1:29:51] Speaker 4: Who can guard LeBron out there? Kobe beamed Bryant. Kobe
[1:29:55] Speaker 4: beamed Bryant.
[1:29:56] Speaker 1: Lock him up.
[1:29:57] Speaker 2: Have you seen LeBron's record against Kobe? Ain't no record
[1:29:59] Speaker 2: against Kobe, man.
[1:30:00] Speaker 1: Stop it next.
[1:30:01] Speaker 5: You see the All-Star game and all that?
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: You do know it's two sides of that.
[1:30:04] Speaker 2: That's who you bring into the table?
[1:30:06] Speaker 1: You do know it's two sides of that?
[1:30:07] Speaker 4: Trace McGrady, Kobe, and Shaq against those three?
[1:30:09] Speaker 1: Come on, man.
[1:30:11] Speaker 2: Skip, who you got in your 90s?
[1:30:11] Speaker 1: You've been mighty quiet over there after staring at me
[1:30:14] Speaker 1: starting all this shit. Three killers. Hold on.
[1:30:17] Speaker 3: So you're asking who guarding your guy, right? You're asking
[1:30:19] Speaker 3: who guarding your guy.
[1:30:20] Speaker 2: Who....
[1:30:22] Speaker 3: Whoever guarded Shaquille O'Neal.
[1:30:24] Speaker 2: Y'all might not get the ball.
[1:30:26] Speaker 8: Huh?
[1:30:27] Speaker 1: Whoever guarded Shaquille O'Neal.
[1:30:27] Speaker 2: Whoever scored, we get it back. Y'all might not get
[1:30:29] Speaker 2: the ball.
[1:30:29] Speaker 1: Whoever guarded Shaquille O'Neal.
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: Answer my question.
[1:30:31] Speaker 2: Huh? Huh? Whoever guarded Shaquille O'Neal. Whoever guarded.
[1:30:37] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[1:30:38] Speaker 6: You said Steph, KD, and LeBron.
[1:30:40] Speaker 3: Who in the history of basketball has ever.
[1:30:42] Speaker 6: I'll put LeBron on him.
[1:30:43] Speaker 8: What?
[1:30:43] Speaker 2: I'll put LeBron on Steph.
[1:30:44] Speaker 1: He'll dunk him and LeBron.
[1:30:45] Speaker 2: Listen, LeBron has been... He'll dunk LeBron and LeBron.
[1:30:47] Speaker 4: LeBron's the only player in NBA history to be listed
[1:30:49] Speaker 4: at all five positions.
[1:30:50] Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
[1:30:50] Speaker 2: So, hey, he played it.
[1:30:51] Speaker 1: Cool.
[1:30:52] Speaker 2: We can put him there.
[1:30:52] Speaker 1: Who's going to guard Kobe?
[1:30:55] Speaker 3: KD.
[1:30:56] Speaker 2: Excuse me? Oh, no, no, not KD.
[1:30:58] Speaker 1: No, no, stop.
[1:30:58] Speaker 6: None of them dudes got all defensive.
[1:31:00] Speaker 2: Nothing.
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: Did you just, what you just, Brandon, you sound. You
[1:31:03] Speaker 1: still got to guard us. You have to guard us.
[1:31:06] Speaker 1: You sound like we went to the park and you
[1:31:07] Speaker 1: picked your friends.
[1:31:08] Speaker 6: Yeah, he picked his friends, for sure.
[1:31:10] Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady.
[1:31:11] Speaker 6: Who guarding T-Mac?
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: I'm bringing motherfucking killers to the table.
[1:31:13] Speaker 4: You're bringing Tracy McGrady to the table in this?
[1:31:16] Speaker 1: Yes, nigga. Yes.
[1:31:18] Speaker 2: Against who? Against who? KD?
[1:31:20] Speaker 1: Pete Mack, the leading league in scoring Mac.
[1:31:21] Speaker 2: You crazy.
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: KD, leading scorer, MVP. Same thing.
[1:31:25] Speaker 2: No, not the same.
[1:31:26] Speaker 6: It's not the same.
[1:31:27] Speaker 2: It's not the same.
[1:31:28] Speaker 8: Yes, it is.
[1:31:28] Speaker 2: It's not the same. It's not the same.
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: You out of your mind.
[1:31:31] Speaker 6: Because when we on the Zoom.
[1:31:33] Speaker 2: If not more. If not more.
[1:31:35] Speaker 1: You out of your mind.
[1:31:36] Speaker 2: If not more. If not more what?
[1:31:37] Speaker 1: You out of your mind.
[1:31:38] Speaker 2: Tracy McGrady? Pete Tracy? You out of your mind. Man,
[1:31:41] Speaker 2: tell KD to get on the Zoom call, man, showing
[1:31:42] Speaker 2: him what I've done. Tell him to get on the Zoom.
[1:31:44] Speaker 2: Tell KD to get on the Zoom call and show.
[1:31:45] Speaker 1: Him what I've done. Line that young man up.
[1:31:47] Speaker 2: Hey, line that young man up.
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever.
[1:31:51] Speaker 5: Lion Young Mack up. What about Bob Cousy? You see
[1:31:55] Speaker 5: Kevin Durant if he scores 63 in three quarters?
[1:31:58] Speaker 4: I seen Kevin Durant go 8-1.
[1:32:00] Speaker 5: How many points did Jason McGrady score in 12 seconds?
[1:32:02] Speaker 6: He scored how many points in 12 seconds?
[1:32:04] Speaker 4: I seen Kevin Durant go 8-1 in the finals.
[1:32:06] Speaker 3: You seen who?
[1:32:07] Speaker 2: Kevin Durant go 8-1 in the finals.
[1:32:08] Speaker 1: Who was he playing with? He went 8-1. The team
[1:32:11] Speaker 1: that won? The team that won. Finals MVP.
[1:32:12] Speaker 6: Oh, he's playing with Steph Curry.
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: Hey, man. The other guy you got on your team.
[1:32:15] Speaker 2: Hey, man, I don't care, man. I don't care. Get one, dog. Huh?
[1:32:18] Speaker 2: Get one, dog, if you want to be at the
[1:32:19] Speaker 2: table with them. With who?
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: With who? With the jump ship crew?
[1:32:23] Speaker 5: Kobe and Shaq got three of them by themselves.
[1:32:27] Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
[1:32:28] Speaker 6: I'm with them.
[1:32:29] Speaker 2: I'm T-Mac.
[1:32:30] Speaker 6: I'm with Shaq and Kobe.
[1:32:31] Speaker 2: They got three.
[1:32:32] Speaker 6: I'm with them.
[1:32:34] Speaker 2: I'm with them.
[1:32:35] Speaker 8: They.
[1:32:35] Speaker 2: They got three.
[1:32:36] Speaker 1: They.
[1:32:36] Speaker 2: You with him. You beside Steph. You with him.
[1:32:39] Speaker 4: You're with him just like I'm with them. So what
[1:32:42] Speaker 4: are you talking about? We watch that out. Tim Duncan,
[1:32:44] Speaker 4: that's crazy.
[1:32:45] Speaker 3: I got Shaq.
[1:32:46] Speaker 2: In your ear.
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: We got Shaq. I got Shaq.
[1:32:48] Speaker 2: All right, go ahead.
[1:32:51] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:32:51] Speaker 8: Huh?
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: Epic fails.
[1:32:53] Speaker 3: Brandon.
[1:32:54] Speaker 1: Brandon. Brandon. Why?
[1:32:56] Speaker 6: Can we start with epic successes first, then.
[1:32:57] Speaker 1: Go to epic fails?
[1:32:58] Speaker 2: Epic fails.
[1:32:59] Speaker 8: I'm going to explain.
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: Epic successes.
[1:33:03] Speaker 8: Okay, this is four and six in the NBA.
[1:33:06] Speaker 2: Four and six.
[1:33:07] Speaker 1: Talk about it, Skip.
[1:33:08] Speaker 8: Okay, let's start with the 2010 playoffs, the last go-round,
[1:33:12] Speaker 8: the first time in Cleveland against the Boston Celtics. LeBron
[1:33:16] Speaker 8: James played, I thought, the best game of his life
[1:33:19] Speaker 8: in game three at Boston on a Friday night. And
[1:33:22] Speaker 8: I was in awe of that because they went up
[1:33:24] Speaker 8: two games to one. And my friend Greg Anthony, I
[1:33:28] Speaker 8: was working with at ESPN, texted me and said, you're
[1:33:30] Speaker 8: going to have to give this young man his due.
[1:33:32] Speaker 8: And I said, I will when this is over. And
[1:33:37] Speaker 8: in games four, five and six, LeBron James shrank like
[1:33:40] Speaker 8: you've never seen him shrink.
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: And.
[1:33:43] Speaker 8: When it was over, my man Stephen A. reported that
[1:33:46] Speaker 8: a member of LeBron's inner circle said he had to
[1:33:50] Speaker 8: be sedated before games four, five, and six because of
[1:33:53] Speaker 8: a locker room issue with a teammate, and I think
[1:33:56] Speaker 8: we all know what that was. But the point was,
[1:33:59] Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure it came from Rich or Mavs, And
[1:34:02] Speaker 8: I'm like, Stephen A., sedated?
[1:34:05] Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
[1:34:06] Speaker 8: He had to be sedated before games. So that's the
[1:34:09] Speaker 8: excuse that you're going to use is that he disappeared
[1:34:13] Speaker 8: because he played sedated on the basketball floor? I just
[1:34:17] Speaker 8: wasn't buying it.
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: Stephen A.
[1:34:19] Speaker 8: Said this morning on First Take that LeBron James is
[1:34:22] Speaker 8: one of the greatest manipulators of narratives ever made. in
[1:34:26] Speaker 8: the history of sports.
[1:34:27] Speaker 2: And he is.
[1:34:27] Speaker 1: He is.
[1:34:28] Speaker 8: He and Rich and Maverick are really.
[1:34:30] Speaker 1: MJ up there as well, Skip. You're media.
[1:34:32] Speaker 2: Shut up, Rich and Maverick.
[1:34:33] Speaker 1: You're media. Shut up, Rich and Maverick, man. You're media
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: back in the day.
[1:34:36] Speaker 8: Okay, so the next year, and I did not dock
[1:34:39] Speaker 8: him for this.
[1:34:39] Speaker 2: Food poisoning?
[1:34:40] Speaker 8: Yeah, he needed to join forces with Dwayne and Chris
[1:34:44] Speaker 8: Bosh and Pat Riley and Eric Spolstra. He needed that.
[1:34:48] Speaker 8: So I don't... I don't dismiss, you know, I do
[1:34:52] Speaker 8: dismiss that. I don't dock him for that. That wasn't
[1:34:55] Speaker 8: one of my criticisms of him. So he goes to
[1:34:57] Speaker 8: join the Heedles after he said, remember, not five, not six,
[1:35:02] Speaker 8: not seven. Didn't he get up to like eight?
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: Salesman. Yeah, okay. Trying to sell season tickets. Trying to
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: sell the fight.
[1:35:11] Speaker 8: You brought it up, 2011 finals against the Dallas Mavericks.
[1:35:15] Speaker 8: LeBron James goes up two games to one in Dallas, Texas.
[1:35:19] Speaker 8: And according to Stephen A. again, he went back to
[1:35:21] Speaker 8: his hotel room and he made a list of, I
[1:35:24] Speaker 8: told you so, people. I'm going to tell you, you, you,
[1:35:27] Speaker 8: and you.
[1:35:27] Speaker 2: And Stephen A.
[1:35:28] Speaker 8: Reported, I was number one on that list. They're up
[1:35:30] Speaker 8: two games to one. In games four, five, and six,
[1:35:33] Speaker 8: the chosen one became the frozen one in those three games.
[1:35:38] Speaker 8: And go look at the numbers because they're horrendous for
[1:35:42] Speaker 8: LeBron James because he averaged 15-8-8 with five turnovers a game.
[1:35:46] Speaker 8: And I saw Dwayne Wade say the other day, I
[1:35:49] Speaker 8: just couldn't snap him out of it. Okay, Jordan, Kobe, Bird,
[1:35:54] Speaker 8: they didn't do this. It's laughable to me because you–
[1:36:00] Speaker 8: you're disqualified from being one, two, three, or four just
[1:36:04] Speaker 8: off that finals alone. And in those three games, he
[1:36:08] Speaker 8: was two of 12 from three, four of 10 from
[1:36:10] Speaker 8: the free throw line with five turnovers. Okay, now we
[1:36:13] Speaker 8: go to 2013 game six. San Antonio Spurs at Miami.
[1:36:18] Speaker 8: Could be a closeout for the Spurs. In the last
[1:36:21] Speaker 8: 40 seconds of that game, just go look at it.
[1:36:24] Speaker 8: LeBron James turns it over twice in the last 40 seconds.
[1:36:28] Speaker 8: And then, to his credit, he took what would have
[1:36:32] Speaker 8: been the tying three and he labricked it. It labricked
[1:36:36] Speaker 8: so hard off the back iron that it's a Boeing
[1:36:39] Speaker 8: long rebound all the way out. Chris Bosh tracks it down. Sweet,
[1:36:43] Speaker 8: quick kick into the corner to Ray Allen. And I
[1:36:45] Speaker 8: don't know how he got his feet behind the three-point line,
[1:36:48] Speaker 8: but he did. and he ripped the greatest clutch shot
[1:36:50] Speaker 8: I have ever seen, or LeBron. Without that shot, LeBron
[1:36:53] Speaker 8: is 3-7 in the NBA Finals because game is over.
[1:36:57] Speaker 1: But he made it.
[1:36:58] Speaker 8: Okay, he did make it.
[1:37:00] Speaker 2: Way to go.
[1:37:01] Speaker 8: Next year, it's 1-1 in the 2014 rematch finals against
[1:37:05] Speaker 8: the Spurs going back to Miami. So LeBron's got two
[1:37:08] Speaker 8: home games. It's 1-1.
[1:37:09] Speaker 2: Go look at it.
[1:37:12] Speaker 8: I don't know what happened to him. He just disappears
[1:37:15] Speaker 8: in three and four. They get blown off the floor.
[1:37:18] Speaker 8: They go back to San Antonio and get gentlemen swept
[1:37:21] Speaker 8: by a record finals margin with LeBron James on the floor.
[1:37:25] Speaker 8: To your point, is that a success? As a Miami Heat,
[1:37:32] Speaker 8: not five, not six, not seven. Wait, you got swept
[1:37:36] Speaker 8: by a record finals margin? And I'm saying, you're disqualified, man.
[1:37:40] Speaker 8: You're out.
[1:37:41] Speaker 1: So.
[1:37:41] Speaker 8: Then let's go to 2018.
[1:37:46] Speaker 1: We're skipping.
[1:37:47] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:37:47] Speaker 8: Well, I'm just doing the effort.
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: You were saying 2016.
[1:37:51] Speaker 2: We're talking about the championship.
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: 2014, didn't they cut the air conditioning in game one
[1:37:57] Speaker 1: of that series? They did. Okay, just 90 degrees, having
[1:37:59] Speaker 1: to play a finals game?
[1:38:00] Speaker 3: But it's one to one.
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: Was a well-conditioned athlete like LeBron cramping, dehydration? And guess what?
[1:38:05] Speaker 1: Would you believe.
[1:38:06] Speaker 8: Only one athlete in the fourth quarter of the well-conditioned athletes,
[1:38:10] Speaker 8: only one cramped in the fourth quarter, it was LeBron.
[1:38:12] Speaker 8: I don't know why. Nobody else cramped.
[1:38:14] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:38:15] Speaker 8: Just throwing her out there.
[1:38:17] Speaker 1: We are a tropical peoples.
[1:38:18] Speaker 8: Draymond did get suspended in 2016. I give you that.
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: You know what?
[1:38:25] Speaker 8: If you want to do this, let's do 2015 then.
[1:38:27] Speaker 8: okay it's the first time against golden state well they're
[1:38:30] Speaker 8: not they're not yet the warriors right and and to
[1:38:34] Speaker 8: to lebron's credit he loses kevin love just before the
[1:38:37] Speaker 8: finals then he loses kairi in overtime of game one
[1:38:39] Speaker 8: he shatters his kneecap okay so you're down you're two
[1:38:42] Speaker 8: studs And you play three of the greatest games of
[1:38:46] Speaker 8: your career in a row with Matthew Delevadova as your sidekick, right?
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: The Steph Stopper.
[1:38:52] Speaker 8: You are up two games to one with game four
[1:38:55] Speaker 8: in your house, King, in Cleveland, in your house. And
[1:38:59] Speaker 8: look what happens.
[1:39:00] Speaker 3: In game four.
[1:39:01] Speaker 8: This is a goat game to me because I go
[1:39:03] Speaker 8: into that thing. Hey, if you do this, if you
[1:39:06] Speaker 8: close this deal without Kevin Love and Kyrie, you're up
[1:39:08] Speaker 8: two games to one. If you win this game tonight,
[1:39:11] Speaker 8: go up 3-1 and figure out how to close it. Hey,
[1:39:14] Speaker 8: you got me. I'm going to stand up and on
[1:39:17] Speaker 8: the table and first take and applaud you. That night
[1:39:21] Speaker 8: he shot seven of 22. Remember they put Iggy in
[1:39:23] Speaker 8: the starting lineup that night. Steve Kerr did. 7 of 22,
[1:39:27] Speaker 8: 1 of 4 from 3, and 5 of 10 from
[1:39:29] Speaker 8: the free throw line. And he was a minus 15
[1:39:32] Speaker 8: that game. They got blown out and lost three in
[1:39:34] Speaker 8: a row, and they were out. So there's another L.
[1:39:37] Speaker 8: There's the 4 and 6. No Kyrie, no Kevin Love.
[1:39:39] Speaker 8: Thank you for bringing that back up.
[1:39:42] Speaker 5: Thanks for reversing that because he went to 2018.
[1:39:48] Speaker 1: So no Kyrie, no Kevin Love is what I took
[1:39:49] Speaker 1: from that.
[1:39:50] Speaker 8: Okay, so 2018, this is vintage LeBron James.
[1:39:54] Speaker 1: And Iggy finals MVP.
[1:39:55] Speaker 8: Iggy was the finals MVP, not Steph. So now we
[1:40:00] Speaker 8: go to 2018, game one at Oracle. And LeBron James
[1:40:04] Speaker 8: has the hottest hand from distance I've ever seen him
[1:40:07] Speaker 8: in a playoff game. From two-point jump shot range and
[1:40:10] Speaker 8: three-point range, he is on fire. He scored 48 points,
[1:40:14] Speaker 8: much of them offensively. from outside, and he's not a
[1:40:17] Speaker 8: great shooter, as we know. So I'm like, whoa, he's
[1:40:20] Speaker 8: got them. They're down one with five seconds to go,
[1:40:24] Speaker 8: and LeBron gets the switch that he wants. He gets
[1:40:27] Speaker 8: little Steph on him. So it's 6-9 versus, what do
[1:40:30] Speaker 8: we give Steph? Is he 6-3?
[1:40:32] Speaker 1: 6-3.
[1:40:32] Speaker 8: Maybe, maybe 6-3. I'm not sure he's 6-3. But you
[1:40:36] Speaker 8: got what you want and you got the Jordan shot.
[1:40:39] Speaker 8: You can take one hard dribble left and go up
[1:40:41] Speaker 8: from just beyond the free throw line and it's going
[1:40:43] Speaker 8: to be a do or die shot because if you
[1:40:45] Speaker 8: miss it, you lose. But if you make it, you
[1:40:48] Speaker 8: just beat Golden State in game one at Oracle.
[1:40:52] Speaker 2: And what does he do?
[1:40:54] Speaker 8: He passes to George Hill. To George Hill? I never
[1:40:57] Speaker 8: liked him when he was a Spur. And Clay, you know,
[1:41:02] Speaker 8: Clay just tackles him because it's George Hill. Just tackle
[1:41:05] Speaker 8: him and make him go shoot those free throws.
[1:41:07] Speaker 2: And what does he do?
[1:41:08] Speaker 8: He made the first one, and he misses the second one,
[1:41:10] Speaker 8: and J.R. Smith loses his mind, loses the clock, and
[1:41:13] Speaker 8: it goes to overtime. What does LeBron do? He goes
[1:41:15] Speaker 8: and sits apart from his team. He sits like 10
[1:41:18] Speaker 8: feet away from the team. I don't want to associate
[1:41:21] Speaker 8: with these guys. And he pouts and won't shoot to
[1:41:23] Speaker 8: start the overtime for the first three minutes. He doesn't
[1:41:26] Speaker 8: take a shot in overtime, and they go hopelessly behind.
[1:41:29] Speaker 8: Game over, and they get swept. And what does LeBron
[1:41:32] Speaker 8: do after game four, after the sweep game? He comes
[1:41:35] Speaker 8: to the press conference wearing a soft cast on his
[1:41:38] Speaker 8: shooting hand.
[1:41:39] Speaker 1: You remember this? I remember it.
[1:41:41] Speaker 8: A soft cast and claims that he was so mad
[1:41:44] Speaker 8: at J.R. at the end after game one that he
[1:41:47] Speaker 8: smashed his fist on the whiteboard in the locker room
[1:41:50] Speaker 8: and broke his hand. So he's saying he played two, three,
[1:41:53] Speaker 8: and four with a broken hand.
[1:41:57] Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
[1:41:58] Speaker 8: I'm just, I'm not buying it. Okay, let's go to
[1:42:02] Speaker 8: the 2023 Western Conference Finals. This is your moment.
[1:42:05] Speaker 1: We've, again, jumped ahead.
[1:42:08] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: Do you want to do.
[1:42:13] Speaker 8: Do you want to do the Mickey Mouse Championship?
[1:42:16] Speaker 2: No, we do not.
[1:42:17] Speaker 8: I don't want to do it.
[1:42:18] Speaker 2: We know it doesn't count.
[1:42:19] Speaker 1: Why not?
[1:42:19] Speaker 6: We know it doesn't count. Because TJ Warren is the
[1:42:23] Speaker 6: MVP of the bubble. We know TJ Warren is the
[1:42:25] Speaker 6: MVP of the bubble.
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: The purest form of basketball. Come on, man.
[1:42:28] Speaker 8: Four and a half months to get ready for the bubble.
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: Every other team has that same... All right. Skip ahead.
[1:42:33] Speaker 6: Skip ahead.
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: Other teams tapping out.
[1:42:35] Speaker 2: We got to skip that one, huh?
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: Go ahead and skip ahead. Other teams tapping out. Let's
[1:42:38] Speaker 1: skip that.
[1:42:38] Speaker 2: Let's skip that.
[1:42:39] Speaker 6: I'm just going to play Madden and get through it.
[1:42:40] Speaker 6: I'm just going to play Madden and get through it.
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: Let's skip that.
[1:42:43] Speaker 6: They didn't even drink real champagne.
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: It was apple juice. It was apple juice.
[1:42:47] Speaker 8: And the rings are made of cubic zirconia.
[1:42:49] Speaker 1: Come on, man.
[1:42:50] Speaker 8: All the championship rings.
[1:42:51] Speaker 1: We know what that is. Jason or Beverly Hills, Skip.
[1:42:54] Speaker 6: Jason or Beverly Hills. Exactly where they got to be.
[1:42:56] Speaker 6: United saw Jason like that.
[1:42:58] Speaker 1: Don't do Jason. I don't do Jason like that.
[1:43:00] Speaker 5: I get my shit straight from where they got their
[1:43:03] Speaker 5: shit from.
[1:43:04] Speaker 8: Okay, help me out. 2023, this is the Western Conference finals.
[1:43:08] Speaker 8: These are the Los Angeles freaking Lakers, right? LeBron and company.
[1:43:13] Speaker 8: You got this. All four times, it's a four-game series
[1:43:17] Speaker 8: because they got swept. All four times, it's right there
[1:43:20] Speaker 8: going to the fourth quarter. It's a point or two
[1:43:22] Speaker 8: either way. Lakers ahead a couple times. Denver barely ahead
[1:43:25] Speaker 8: a couple times. And LeBron in those combined four fourth
[1:43:29] Speaker 8: quarters shoots seven of 23, one of 10 from three.
[1:43:35] Speaker 8: And in the closeout game out here at what used
[1:43:38] Speaker 8: to be Staples.
[1:43:39] Speaker 1: It's still Staples.
[1:43:40] Speaker 8: Still Staples to you. In the final seconds, down two,
[1:43:44] Speaker 8: LeBron has two shots to tie, two shots to tie,
[1:43:49] Speaker 8: and doesn't hit the rim with either shot. That happened.
[1:43:53] Speaker 8: I'm not exaggerating. I'm not making any of it up.
[1:43:58] Speaker 8: I'm just spitting facts. That happened. Following years, the first
[1:44:03] Speaker 8: round at Denver, do you remember game two? You have
[1:44:05] Speaker 8: a chance to make a statement in game two because
[1:44:07] Speaker 8: you're down one. And LeBron James gets another Jordan shot.
[1:44:12] Speaker 8: He gets, with four seconds left, a three-pointer to win
[1:44:16] Speaker 8: the game after a little push-off like Brian Russell in
[1:44:20] Speaker 8: game six at Utah for Jordan. But a little push-off
[1:44:23] Speaker 8: on Jamal. And LeBron winds up wide open at the
[1:44:27] Speaker 8: three-point line and LeClangs it. And LeClanged it pretty badly.
[1:44:33] Speaker 8: It wasn't even close. Look, here's the point. I've said
[1:44:38] Speaker 8: it again and again. The poor man was born without
[1:44:40] Speaker 8: a clutch gene. He doesn't have that in him. And
[1:44:45] Speaker 8: then finally, against the T-Wolves a year ago, look at
[1:44:49] Speaker 8: the last two fourth quarters. He was just pathetic in them.
[1:44:52] Speaker 8: He was two of nine and one of five in
[1:44:54] Speaker 8: the last two fourth quarters. And they had chances. They
[1:44:57] Speaker 8: were very close in both games. And then, of course,
[1:45:00] Speaker 8: maybe his tenure in L.A. ended the other night. where
[1:45:03] Speaker 8: he does get a step on Caruso, and we talked
[1:45:05] Speaker 8: about it yesterday, and he's got the shot to win
[1:45:07] Speaker 8: the game down one point with 20 seconds left. And
[1:45:12] Speaker 8: he just, he always shies from the late game free
[1:45:14] Speaker 8: throw line because he knows that's not his forte. So
[1:45:18] Speaker 8: he sort of fades off to the right because I
[1:45:20] Speaker 8: don't want to get fouled, please don't blow the whistle.
[1:45:22] Speaker 8: He shoots it up way high off the glass and
[1:45:25] Speaker 8: it misses badly.
[1:45:26] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:45:27] Speaker 6: All right.
[1:45:29] Speaker 8: I just detailed these instances, these epic fails are why
[1:45:34] Speaker 8: he's four and six in the finals and why he
[1:45:37] Speaker 8: fell down my list to number nine. And tell me
[1:45:40] Speaker 8: I'm wrong. Did I exaggerate or fabricate any one of
[1:45:44] Speaker 8: these points?
[1:45:45] Speaker 2: You just left out one more thing. That's a fact.
[1:45:49] Speaker 4: I mean, LeBron has the highest win shares in NBA
[1:45:51] Speaker 4: history regular season and playoffs.
[1:45:53] Speaker 2: So, I mean, with that being said.
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: He said win share.
[1:45:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, win shares.
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
[1:45:58] Speaker 3: What is that?
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: In the finals? We share wins?
[1:46:01] Speaker 8: How do you get win shares?
[1:46:02] Speaker 3: What is win shares? What are win shares, Brandon?
[1:46:07] Speaker 2: It says that he's number one at 60.
[1:46:08] Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't ask you what it says.
[1:46:12] Speaker 2: That's what it just says.
[1:46:12] Speaker 1: I asked you what are win shares.
[1:46:14] Speaker 2: NBA career playoff leaders in records.
[1:46:17] Speaker 3: Okay, I read well as well. I read very well
[1:46:20] Speaker 3: as well, Brandon. I could have read the exact same,
[1:46:24] Speaker 3: but my question to you is, Brandon.
[1:46:26] Speaker 4: That means he wins. That means he has a high
[1:46:28] Speaker 4: percentage of winning. I didn't ask you that.
[1:46:32] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to go fucking look it up, Joseph.
[1:46:34] Speaker 2: That's what it says.
[1:46:35] Speaker 3: I asked the guy that bought wind shares into this conversation.
[1:46:40] Speaker 1: No, that's fine.
[1:46:40] Speaker 3: I want him to tell me what wind shares are
[1:46:42] Speaker 3: without looking it up.
[1:46:43] Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it says.
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. Like, I want to know.
[1:46:48] Speaker 2: That means I have a higher percentage of winning.
[1:46:52] Speaker 6: But you're four and six in the final.
[1:46:54] Speaker 2: I know, but I can't. I mean, that's what it says.
[1:46:55] Speaker 2: He's number one. So, I mean, when he's on the court,
[1:46:58] Speaker 2: that means he has a, you know, that's a win.
[1:47:00] Speaker 8: You sure that's not on some LeBron blog or something?
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: No, I mean. No, LeBron blogs are a lot.
[1:47:05] Speaker 2: I mean, you can make it more clear, Josiah, for them.
[1:47:07] Speaker 8: No.
[1:47:07] Speaker 2: That means he wins.
[1:47:08] Speaker 5: So, you're telling me, business-wise, you're going to go close
[1:47:12] Speaker 5: deals with.
[1:47:13] Speaker 1: Four and six and not six and oh.
[1:47:15] Speaker 4: I'm going with LeBron James. He's still playing 23 years.
[1:47:18] Speaker 4: I need everything.
[1:47:19] Speaker 5: We need a business that's going to be here. But
[1:47:22] Speaker 5: you're operating at a 40% close rate. I'm closing at 40%.
[1:47:30] Speaker 1: Hey, listen.
[1:47:32] Speaker 2: I'm the American dream. You want the American dream or not?
[1:47:36] Speaker 2: I'm number one in everything. Windchairs.
[1:47:39] Speaker 4: Winning most playoffs without an All-NBA player, without All-Star, all that.
[1:47:45] Speaker 2: Come on, man. I mean, I get the facts of
[1:47:48] Speaker 2: him failing. I mean, yeah, that happens to everybody.
[1:47:50] Speaker 8: No, it doesn't happen to the guys on my list
[1:47:52] Speaker 8: above LeBron. It just didn't happen like that.
[1:47:55] Speaker 2: Bird got boomed on. Magic got boomed on.
[1:47:59] Speaker 8: Magic did have one bad finals. I give you that.
[1:48:01] Speaker 2: Shaq got boomed on. Kobe got boomed on.
[1:48:04] Speaker 3: What about Tim Dunn?
[1:48:06] Speaker 2: Tim Duncan got boomed on 5-1.
[1:48:07] Speaker 3: 5-1 in the finals.
[1:48:09] Speaker 2: 5-1 got boomed on, though. But what I'm saying is
[1:48:12] Speaker 2: they've lost.
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: OB 5-2.
[1:48:13] Speaker 2: They got boomed on.
[1:48:14] Speaker 3: A lot of these percentages are better than 4 and 6.
[1:48:17] Speaker 3: That's all I'm... But I just still... I'm still confused
[1:48:22] Speaker 3: on what win shares are.
[1:48:23] Speaker 2: I mean, he was trying to.
[1:48:24] Speaker 6: I tried to explain it to you.
[1:48:27] Speaker 3: I asked Brandon Jennings. Brandon Jennings brought up win shares
[1:48:31] Speaker 3: into this conversation, and I wanted to know what win
[1:48:35] Speaker 3: shares are.
[1:48:36] Speaker 2: I said it. Well, we said it too many times.
[1:48:37] Speaker 1: Can I ask this question?
[1:48:38] Speaker 2: I have a Higher percentage of winning when I'm on
[1:48:40] Speaker 2: the court.
[1:48:41] Speaker 5: If LeBron leaves this team, does it count against him again?
[1:48:45] Speaker 1: If he leaves, well, it seems like he's getting pushed out.
[1:48:47] Speaker 1: I'm asking. He's asking for a friend. He didn't get
[1:48:49] Speaker 1: the game ball, Rashad, as we talked about the other day.
[1:48:51] Speaker 1: Poor friend. Listen, the legacy. They had the most wins
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: in NBA history, and they gave it to the coach.
[1:48:56] Speaker 6: It was cookies before.
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: It's a ball now. They gave J.J.
[1:48:59] Speaker 6: A personalized ball.
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: It's not going to go against him. The legacy is set.
[1:49:01] Speaker 2: He can do whatever he wants. He can go back
[1:49:03] Speaker 2: to Cleveland next year if he wants. It don't matter.
[1:49:05] Speaker 1: Don't matter.
[1:49:05] Speaker 2: It don't matter. It's still going to be 20 and something.
[1:49:08] Speaker 3: So his legacy is set, so he's ninth on Skip's list.
[1:49:10] Speaker 5: That's what I was about to say. Whatever happens, he's still.
[1:49:13] Speaker 2: Going to be ninth.
[1:49:14] Speaker 4: Skip's list is Skip's list, but Skip is a guy
[1:49:17] Speaker 4: in the media that has a list that I'm going
[1:49:20] Speaker 4: to talk about.
[1:49:21] Speaker 2: And LeBron James is what?
[1:49:25] Speaker 3: Six and ten. Probably need to flip them.
[1:49:30] Speaker 2: I mean, Steph Curry not being top ten.
[1:49:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, I just looked at the numbers.
[1:49:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably want to flip six and ten on
[1:49:37] Speaker 3: your list. Put six where ten is.
[1:49:40] Speaker 8: Okay, but remember the numbers seven and one. That's what
[1:49:44] Speaker 8: it was again.
[1:49:44] Speaker 2: I hear you.
[1:49:45] Speaker 3: That's a team thing, Skip.
[1:49:47] Speaker 6: So a championship's a team thing.
[1:49:49] Speaker 3: Like, that's a team thing, but.
[1:49:51] Speaker 5: I mean, because if we're going to say, you know, championships,
[1:49:54] Speaker 5: that means number seven goes to number two.
[1:49:57] Speaker 1: So.
[1:49:58] Speaker 3: Team record, let's say it's 37 and 57, right?
[1:50:02] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:50:03] Speaker 3: Wilt averaging 30. Bill averaging 14.
[1:50:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:50:08] Speaker 3: He averaging 28 rebounds. Bill averaging 23 rebounds. That's a
[1:50:13] Speaker 3: lot of bricks in that area.
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: That's a lot of fucking bricks. Wilt shooting 49% from
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: the field. Bill shooting 37% from the field.
[1:50:18] Speaker 3: Oh, that's unacceptable.
[1:50:18] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 37? Yeah, Bill got switched. You got a better
[1:50:32] Speaker 1: team than me though, Bill. You got a better team
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: than me, Bill.
[1:50:34] Speaker 3: Playoff games, I played 49 times. 20 and 29. Bill
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: got through 29, of course. 26 points. Bill consistent.
[1:50:43] Speaker 1: 14.
[1:50:44] Speaker 3: 28 rebounds.
[1:50:46] Speaker 1: Wilt, 25 rebounds. Yeah, I mean.
[1:50:54] Speaker 2: Oh, Winshares means it's by his... Oh, no, no, no.
[1:50:58] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[1:50:59] Speaker 2: Or somebody sent it to him.
[1:51:01] Speaker 1: Who texted to him? Gilbert?
[1:51:02] Speaker 2: No, it's the same thing.
[1:51:03] Speaker 5: Somebody texted to him.
[1:51:06] Speaker 2: It's the same thing, though. It's the same thing.
[1:51:08] Speaker 1: When I'm on the court, we have a higher.
[1:51:11] Speaker 2: Percentage of winning because of what I do and my production.
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah. I just wanted to know if you knew
[1:51:15] Speaker 1: what Winshares was. You threw it into the conversation.
[1:51:17] Speaker 4: But that's why he's number one in everything. So it's
[1:51:20] Speaker 4: kind of hard to not put him number one. I mean,
[1:51:21] Speaker 4: I get the four and six, but it's just like.
[1:51:23] Speaker 3: But he's not number one in everything then, Brandon.
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: Because he's not number one in that.
[1:51:27] Speaker 2: Since you said he's number one in everything.
[1:51:29] Speaker 1: He's not number one in that.
[1:51:30] Speaker 2: He's not number one in the world.
[1:51:31] Speaker 1: I mean, well, Bill Russell is number one.
[1:51:32] Speaker 2: Okay, well, then put Bill Russell number one.
[1:51:34] Speaker 4: But then go put Bill Russell number one for a
[1:51:37] Speaker 4: team thing.
[1:51:37] Speaker 3: No, but this is not a team accomplishment.
[1:51:40] Speaker 2: What is rings?
[1:51:41] Speaker 6: Rings is a team.
[1:51:42] Speaker 3: But what we're talking about is not.
[1:51:44] Speaker 2: But everything. What is not?
[1:51:46] Speaker 1: Leading your team. You're talking about individually. And being having
[1:51:49] Speaker 1: a killer instinct in the finals.
[1:51:50] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:51:50] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:51:51] Speaker 2: That's that's number one. What he did showed everything. I mean,
[1:51:54] Speaker 2: I went to three different teams.
[1:51:55] Speaker 4: You said when I went to three different teams and
[1:51:57] Speaker 4: I had a and I had a Hall of Fame
[1:51:59] Speaker 4: career on every team I've been on.
[1:52:01] Speaker 1: And I'm on the floor. We win. Right.
[1:52:03] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:52:04] Speaker 1: And the 10 times we've been to the finals when
[1:52:06] Speaker 1: I'm on the floor. I've only won four.
[1:52:09] Speaker 2: Right, for a team thing.
[1:52:10] Speaker 4: But for me, when I'm on the floor, I have
[1:52:12] Speaker 4: a higher percentage than anybody that's ever played the game.
[1:52:15] Speaker 6: For a team thing, right?
[1:52:16] Speaker 2: No, for just me being out there. Yeah, you have
[1:52:18] Speaker 2: a chance.
[1:52:18] Speaker 1: For a team thing.
[1:52:18] Speaker 2: I'm still number one.
[1:52:19] Speaker 5: But in the finals, when it matters most, you're 40%
[1:52:24] Speaker 5: win share.
[1:52:24] Speaker 2: For a team thing. For a team thing.
[1:52:26] Speaker 6: 40% win share.
[1:52:27] Speaker 2: For a team share. That's a team share.
[1:52:29] Speaker 1: That is a team.
[1:52:30] Speaker 4: But my share, for me individually, no, I'm number one, baby.
[1:52:34] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[1:52:35] Speaker 8: So let me Let me end this with one last.
[1:52:40] Speaker 1: Fact. Skip, we'd rather you not.
[1:52:41] Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.
[1:52:41] Speaker 1: Unless it's positive. Yeah, because they already hate us enough, Skip.
[1:52:44] Speaker 5: Me and you on the same couch.
[1:52:49] Speaker 8: Okay, this is just me, and you can reject this
[1:52:53] Speaker 8: if you want, but I know of two cases in
[1:52:58] Speaker 8: which LeBron James, during a basketball game, was called, you
[1:53:05] Speaker 8: got something?
[1:53:07] Speaker 1: What does that say? It says cream for a regular season.
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: But it just says all-time though, right? All-time NBA, NBA
[1:53:13] Speaker 1: regular season.
[1:53:13] Speaker 3: Winshares, right? I'm just asking for a friend.
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: Go ahead, Scoop.
[1:53:18] Speaker 8: Okay. So I know of two instances during basketball games,
[1:53:25] Speaker 8: NBA games, one playoff, one regular season, in which LeBron
[1:53:32] Speaker 8: James was called to his face a bitch. He was
[1:53:36] Speaker 8: called a bitch once. by Draymond Green during game four
[1:53:39] Speaker 8: of the 20, what was it?
[1:53:41] Speaker 1: So you not saying that, you saying someone else said it.
[1:53:44] Speaker 8: No, they called him a bitch. Draymond, and I talked
[1:53:48] Speaker 8: to Draymond about it about a month ago on his show,
[1:53:51] Speaker 8: and he said that that's the biggest regret he has
[1:53:54] Speaker 8: in his life because a man can't call a man
[1:53:56] Speaker 8: that word because it's crossing a line.
[1:53:59] Speaker 1: Agreed. Interesting.
[1:54:00] Speaker 8: But Draymond did call LeBron that so audibly, then he
[1:54:04] Speaker 8: goes down the other end and kicks him in the balls,
[1:54:06] Speaker 8: but he got suspended for game five of an NBA Finals,
[1:54:10] Speaker 8: which I thought I would never see happen. But it
[1:54:14] Speaker 8: did happen. And then Ime Udoka, this is going back
[1:54:17] Speaker 8: a year ago, during a game, he gets into it
[1:54:20] Speaker 8: with LeBron and he's basically telling LeBron, well, you come
[1:54:23] Speaker 8: over here and you want to do something about it,
[1:54:25] Speaker 8: let's do it right here, because Ime thinks he could
[1:54:27] Speaker 8: kick LeBron's ass. And I'd give him a pretty good shot,
[1:54:31] Speaker 8: he may.
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: On fisticuffs or on the basketball court? Fisticuffs. Okay, just because.
[1:54:36] Speaker 8: And he called him that word, that really magic word.
[1:54:42] Speaker 8: And LeBron's saying, be careful with that word. That's all
[1:54:45] Speaker 8: you got? Because, come on, man, be careful with that word?
[1:54:51] Speaker 8: Like that guy right there, that guy right there, that Mr. Kenyon,
[1:54:56] Speaker 8: you call him that word? You're going to fight right
[1:55:00] Speaker 8: then and there.
[1:55:02] Speaker 1: And it's... Kenyon, a man of peace and tranquility.
[1:55:05] Speaker 2: So because he don't fight.
[1:55:06] Speaker 1: He is a changed man. He is. All right. He
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: is a changed man. Brother Kenyon.
[1:55:11] Speaker 8: During Jordan's era, nobody would have dared to call him
[1:55:15] Speaker 8: that word or even thought to call him that word.
[1:55:17] Speaker 1: They did.
[1:55:18] Speaker 8: No, they didn't.
[1:55:19] Speaker 2: Reggie Miller got in his face.
[1:55:20] Speaker 1: He didn't call him.
[1:55:21] Speaker 2: He was like, what's up? They're like, come on.
[1:55:22] Speaker 4: Mike been into it. So because he doesn't fight, that
[1:55:25] Speaker 4: means he's not what?
[1:55:26] Speaker 8: No, I'm just saying.
[1:55:27] Speaker 2: They had dinner after.
[1:55:28] Speaker 1: They had dinner. Reggie came and had dinner, paid for
[1:55:30] Speaker 1: dinner and everything.
[1:55:31] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: Said, I'm sorry, Mike.
[1:55:33] Speaker 2: I apologize.
[1:55:37] Speaker 1: So we all agreed.
[1:55:37] Speaker 3: Hey, Brandon, what website did you look up for your
[1:55:41] Speaker 3: win share stat?
[1:55:42] Speaker 2: No, I didn't. Somebody sent it to me.
[1:55:43] Speaker 3: Oh, and they were fucking, like I said, somebody sent
[1:55:45] Speaker 3: it to me.
[1:55:45] Speaker 1: But you said win shares for regular season and playoffs. Yeah.
[1:55:49] Speaker 2: I just put it in the chat for us.
[1:55:50] Speaker 3: I'm looking at it as well.
[1:55:52] Speaker 1: You didn't see the chat one?
[1:55:53] Speaker 3: I'm looking at the one I, you know, Okay, so
[1:55:57] Speaker 3: what is that? So where did that one come from?
[1:56:03] Speaker 1: I guess it's updated.
[1:56:05] Speaker 3: More updated than when I just looked up?
[1:56:08] Speaker 5: I'm not sure, but I would assume that this is
[1:56:11] Speaker 5: contributing to his recent win shares this year.
[1:56:15] Speaker 1: This one.
[1:56:15] Speaker 4: It says LeBron James has surprised Kareem in regular season
[1:56:18] Speaker 4: share wins in.
[1:56:20] Speaker 2: Around early 2026. He just passed him.
[1:56:23] Speaker 8: Wait a second, that's a longevity stat.
[1:56:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a longevity.
[1:56:26] Speaker 8: That's playing 23 seasons. I got it.
[1:56:28] Speaker 6: Yeah, Kareem had to play.
[1:56:30] Speaker 3: When was the last time, hold on, when was the
[1:56:33] Speaker 3: last time Kareem Abdul-Jabbar picked up a basketball?
[1:56:35] Speaker 2: Hey, my problem. He should have kept playing.
[1:56:37] Speaker 1: Huh?
[1:56:37] Speaker 2: Should have kept fucking running.
[1:56:39] Speaker 1: After 40? He played until he was 41. He would
[1:56:41] Speaker 1: play 20 years.
[1:56:42] Speaker 2: Well, that's a name still playing at 41 right now.
[1:56:44] Speaker 2: He's still playing at 41.
[1:56:45] Speaker 3: So on this one, here's an all-time NBA regular season
[1:56:50] Speaker 3: win share career leaders. And this list has Kareem one,
[1:56:54] Speaker 3: LeBron two. And it says still active. So I'm going
[1:56:58] Speaker 3: to say I just want.
[1:56:59] Speaker 2: To do that. So as of today in 2026, LeBron
[1:57:02] Speaker 2: James is number one.
[1:57:03] Speaker 3: Oh, he just passed.
[1:57:04] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: And Kareem played when the last time he picked up
[1:57:07] Speaker 3: a basketball skip?
[1:57:09] Speaker 8: I can't remember when he retired.
[1:57:11] Speaker 1: 89? 89.
[1:57:13] Speaker 4: Is the problem with LeBron James because he came through
[1:57:15] Speaker 4: the league and did it the way he wanted to
[1:57:16] Speaker 4: do it?
[1:57:18] Speaker 2: No.
[1:57:18] Speaker 4: And everybody else had to follow the rules and did
[1:57:20] Speaker 4: it the way because they felt like, oh, well, this
[1:57:22] Speaker 4: is the culture.
[1:57:23] Speaker 2: We have to do it this way. We have to
[1:57:24] Speaker 2: stay with one team.
[1:57:24] Speaker 4: The fact that LeBron can go anywhere he go and
[1:57:26] Speaker 4: win and the value goes up.
[1:57:29] Speaker 2: And the value goes up.
[1:57:30] Speaker 3: Brandon, the beauty of it is other people have that
[1:57:33] Speaker 3: choice as well.
[1:57:34] Speaker 1: Okay. But that's what they chose to do. Right.
[1:57:36] Speaker 4: They chose to do it their way. So I'm going
[1:57:38] Speaker 4: to do it my way. But why am I getting
[1:57:39] Speaker 4: penalized for doing it my way when I have success.
[1:57:41] Speaker 2: And I'm number one in everything?
[1:57:42] Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I can tell you why. Because
[1:57:45] Speaker 1: you left on a loss.
[1:57:47] Speaker 2: I don't care how I lost. I got it still
[1:57:49] Speaker 2: done at the end of the day.
[1:57:50] Speaker 6: I got it done.
[1:57:51] Speaker 2: It's like I got the billion dollars off the court
[1:57:53] Speaker 2: and on the court. It's like I'm not missing. So
[1:57:55] Speaker 2: what's the issue? Like, why are we?
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: Ain't nobody critiquing his money. But you calling yourself the GOAT.
[1:58:00] Speaker 1: You're calling yourself.
[1:58:01] Speaker 4: But you brought it up, though. But you brought it up, though.
[1:58:03] Speaker 4: Ain't nobody critiquing his money. Ain't nobody critiquing his money.
[1:58:07] Speaker 4: People talking about the game of basketball.
[1:58:09] Speaker 2: We're talking about the game of basketball. Everything about LeBron
[1:58:12] Speaker 2: James rounds up to everything.
[1:58:13] Speaker 3: We're talking about basketball.
[1:58:16] Speaker 2: My money look like my game. But you're calling yourself
[1:58:18] Speaker 2: the GOAT.
[1:58:19] Speaker 5: You're calling yourself the GOAT.
[1:58:20] Speaker 1: I should be able to.
[1:58:22] Speaker 2: I'm the American Dream.
[1:58:23] Speaker 5: But why are you calling yourself the GOAT when you
[1:58:25] Speaker 5: left teams that you won championships with on losses.
[1:58:30] Speaker 2: Man, Dre left death row.
[1:58:32] Speaker 1: What they got to do with anything?
[1:58:33] Speaker 2: So, fuck, we got to leave and do our own thing.
[1:58:34] Speaker 1: What they got to do with anything?
[1:58:36] Speaker 6: I left death row and I became a billionaire.
[1:58:37] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, I got to leave.
[1:58:40] Speaker 6: But you left again.
[1:58:40] Speaker 2: I got to do my thing.
[1:58:41] Speaker 1: But you left again.
[1:58:42] Speaker 3: I got to do my thing. So, with that statement,
[1:58:45] Speaker 3: who questioned what Dr. Did anybody feel a way about
[1:58:48] Speaker 3: what Dr. Dre did because it was for his legacy?
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: When they were questioning.
[1:58:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, when he left.
[1:58:51] Speaker 1: Damn, man, Dre left death row.
[1:58:52] Speaker 8: Damn.
[1:58:54] Speaker 1: Wonder why he left Devereaux. The shit wasn't safe.
[1:58:57] Speaker 4: And I wonder why I left Cleveland.
[1:59:00] Speaker 6: And you went to Miami, right?
[1:59:01] Speaker 2: You went to Miami and won, right? You couldn't get it.
[1:59:04] Speaker 1: Done is what people are saying.
[1:59:05] Speaker 5: So we took them chocolate chip cookies off the plane
[1:59:08] Speaker 5: and you decided to jump ship again.
[1:59:10] Speaker 2: Does it matter? This is my league. I do what
[1:59:12] Speaker 2: I want.
[1:59:12] Speaker 6: He's been doing his.
[1:59:13] Speaker 2: Thing for 23 years. Can we just agree with that?
[1:59:16] Speaker 5: We can't complain about where you are on my list then.
[1:59:19] Speaker 1: No, I'm not. You on my list where I put you.
[1:59:22] Speaker 2: His list is fine.
[1:59:22] Speaker 5: Just like you go where you want to go because
[1:59:24] Speaker 5: you want to go. Guess where you are on my list?
[1:59:27] Speaker 5: Don't ask me about my fucking list when you keep
[1:59:30] Speaker 5: quitting on your team and the guys I got in
[1:59:32] Speaker 5: front of you, they stayed and won and lost with
[1:59:35] Speaker 5: the teams that they were on because that's what leadership do.
[1:59:39] Speaker 5: You stay, you lose, you win. You take the team
[1:59:42] Speaker 5: and the crown. You say, don't worry, we coming back
[1:59:44] Speaker 5: next year. We gonna get this shit done. I ain't
[1:59:46] Speaker 5: never gonna quit on y'all. Because if I'm the king
[1:59:48] Speaker 5: of my fucking empire, I'm not leaving my throne to
[1:59:52] Speaker 5: go play knight in shining armor for somebody else's fucking army.
[1:59:56] Speaker 5: And then help them win and say, yeah, look what
[1:59:58] Speaker 5: we did. And then come back over here and say, oh,
[2:00:01] Speaker 5: the king is back.
[2:00:02] Speaker 2: But look, we got a new king. We got Kyrie.
[2:00:04] Speaker 2: Kyrie's gonna let us do... Nah, nah, nah.
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: I'm going to help y'all do this.
[2:00:08] Speaker 6: Let me come back and get this shit done.
[2:00:10] Speaker 5: And then, after I made Kyrie mad that.
[2:00:14] Speaker 6: You can't be the king over here, Kyrie.
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: It's me.
[2:00:16] Speaker 6: So Kyrie said, well, fuck it.
[2:00:18] Speaker 1: I'm going to Boston. He did.
[2:00:19] Speaker 2: And then you say, well, if you're going to go
[2:00:20] Speaker 2: to Boston, then I'm going.
[2:00:22] Speaker 6: To go to L.A. And what did Bron do when
[2:00:24] Speaker 6: he went to L.A.? But guess who?
[2:00:25] Speaker 2: It was somebody else's kingdom in L.A.
[2:00:28] Speaker 8: Who?
[2:00:28] Speaker 1: Kobe. Kobe.
[2:00:31] Speaker 2: This is the house that Kobe built. He's gone. You
[2:00:34] Speaker 2: could go anywhere in the league that you could go.
[2:00:37] Speaker 6: You went here. Los Angeles, a beautiful city.
[2:00:39] Speaker 1: Because it's safe.
[2:00:40] Speaker 2: What do you mean it's safe?
[2:00:41] Speaker 6: It's safe.
[2:00:42] Speaker 2: It's harder here in L.A.
[2:00:43] Speaker 6: It's safe.
[2:00:43] Speaker 2: It's harder here in L.A.
[2:00:44] Speaker 1: To play.
[2:00:45] Speaker 2: Are you crazy? Because you don't have to win. If
[2:00:46] Speaker 2: he ever put on a Laker jersey and didn't bring
[2:00:48] Speaker 2: a ring here, they would be killing him. Bro, you
[2:00:50] Speaker 2: have to win a ring to be a Laker. So
[2:00:52] Speaker 2: why didn't you win a ring?
[2:00:53] Speaker 6: He did.
[2:00:53] Speaker 8: No.
[2:00:54] Speaker 2: He did win a ring. What the fuck are you
[2:00:55] Speaker 2: talking about?
[2:00:55] Speaker 1: No.
[2:00:56] Speaker 2: He didn't win a ring.
[2:00:56] Speaker 6: No.
[2:00:57] Speaker 1: Two rings were shot. No, man. NBA Cup chance.
[2:01:00] Speaker 2: Come on. I mean, I think it stems from, listen,
[2:01:02] Speaker 2: I respect Skip's life. I mean, I argue back my
[2:01:05] Speaker 2: points of why I feel like he's number one.
[2:01:06] Speaker 1: Your list is your list. That's why you're Skip.
[2:01:07] Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, it's your list.
[2:01:08] Speaker 2: But I think it's blasphemy.
[2:01:10] Speaker 1: What does crypto mean? What does crypt mean? 055. Crypt. Crypt.
[2:01:16] Speaker 2: Crypt means grave.
[2:01:18] Speaker 8: It means Larry's cemetery. Yeah, right.
[2:01:22] Speaker 5: We went from Staples Center to we are in the grave.
[2:01:26] Speaker 5: Come here and watch us lose. Come here and watch
[2:01:29] Speaker 5: us not go to where we are.
[2:01:32] Speaker 2: Expected to be as Lakers. We are banner people. We
[2:01:36] Speaker 2: hang banners.
[2:01:37] Speaker 7: We?
[2:01:39] Speaker 2: We hang banners. We?
[2:01:41] Speaker 6: When I was a Laker fan, I seen banners. What
[2:01:45] Speaker 6: year did you see those banners?
[2:01:46] Speaker 2: 2010.
[2:01:49] Speaker 4: Were you in the league when they was putting up
[2:01:50] Speaker 4: the banner?
[2:01:51] Speaker 1: No, I wasn't in the league. When was the next
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: time you saw a banner in Los Angeles? Hey, like
[2:01:55] Speaker 1: I said, we win banners. And we're expected to win banners.
[2:02:00] Speaker 8: Okay, LeBron's playoff record as a Laker, 32-31. Winning record.
[2:02:04] Speaker 1: Okay, 32-31.
[2:02:04] Speaker 2: I don't care.
[2:02:05] Speaker 8: Winshare, right?
[2:02:08] Speaker 1: Winshare. Age 34-41.
[2:02:09] Speaker 2: Winning record.
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: It's 34 to 41.
[2:02:16] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, man, it's just... We just talking hoot. No, no, no, no.
[2:02:20] Speaker 6: We just talking hoot.
[2:02:21] Speaker 2: It ain't nothing personal. I just feel like, dog, the
[2:02:23] Speaker 2: way he did it is the way he did it.
[2:02:24] Speaker 6: We talking about the way he did it.
[2:02:26] Speaker 5: You saying the way he did it, we saying the
[2:02:28] Speaker 5: way he didn't do it.
[2:02:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, because you guys are trying to put him in
[2:02:32] Speaker 2: a box.
[2:02:32] Speaker 6: This is not a box.
[2:02:33] Speaker 5: We're trying to put him beside greatness. We're not trying
[2:02:35] Speaker 5: to put him in a box. We're trying to put
[2:02:37] Speaker 5: him beside.
[2:02:38] Speaker 2: The greatest ever. That's a box.
[2:02:40] Speaker 4: No, it's not.
[2:02:40] Speaker 2: That is a box right there. You want to be
[2:02:41] Speaker 2: on top of the box, though. He is on top
[2:02:43] Speaker 2: of the box.
[2:02:44] Speaker 1: No, he not.
[2:02:45] Speaker 2: I did it my way. No. I walked through the league.
[2:02:47] Speaker 2: I did it my way.
[2:02:48] Speaker 1: Everybody did it their way.
[2:02:49] Speaker 2: No, they didn't. Yes, they did.
[2:02:50] Speaker 1: Who didn't?
[2:02:51] Speaker 2: Control.
[2:02:51] Speaker 1: Who? It was control.
[2:02:53] Speaker 2: Who?
[2:02:53] Speaker 6: It was control.
[2:02:54] Speaker 2: Why Mike ain't leave then? Shit, Mike ain't like the GM.
[2:02:56] Speaker 1: Why ain't he leave?
[2:02:57] Speaker 6: You want to play with your friends, right?
[2:02:58] Speaker 4: Nah, sit here and we're going to do it my way.
[2:03:01] Speaker 8: He did.
[2:03:01] Speaker 6: If you covered MJ, why did MJ leave the Bulls?
[2:03:04] Speaker 8: Which time?
[2:03:05] Speaker 1: Why didn't he leave?
[2:03:06] Speaker 8: Are you talking about the baseball team?
[2:03:07] Speaker 1: No, he said why didn't he leave. He said why
[2:03:10] Speaker 1: didn't Mike leave. No, why did he leave in 98?
[2:03:13] Speaker 8: Why did he leave?
[2:03:14] Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not talking about the... We know the other situation.
[2:03:16] Speaker 1: We won't get into that. Okay, thank you.
[2:03:18] Speaker 8: Because Jerry Krause wanted to hire a college coach named
[2:03:22] Speaker 8: Tim Floyd from Iowa State, and they were going to
[2:03:26] Speaker 8: push Phil Jackson out the back door, and Michael said...
[2:03:29] Speaker 8: If he's gone, I'm walking into the sunset. I am retiring.
[2:03:34] Speaker 8: And he retired for the three back years of his prime.
[2:03:39] Speaker 8: From 35 to 38, he retired.
[2:03:42] Speaker 1: I would say that works against Michael. Okay.
[2:03:45] Speaker 6: I'm going to the Wizards. I got my own team now.
[2:03:47] Speaker 5: I would say if we're going to penalize LeBron for leaving,
[2:03:52] Speaker 5: we have to penalize Michael for not staying.
[2:03:56] Speaker 3: For retiring?
[2:03:57] Speaker 8: Yes.
[2:03:57] Speaker 1: Yes.
[2:03:58] Speaker 6: Because you could have played.
[2:04:00] Speaker 5: You didn't want to fight to play with this young
[2:04:03] Speaker 5: coach who you could prove that you can win with
[2:04:05] Speaker 5: him too.
[2:04:06] Speaker 1: It's the same metric.
[2:04:07] Speaker 2: Same metric.
[2:04:08] Speaker 8: Chair the team down and rebuild it.
[2:04:10] Speaker 1: No, it ain't. Same metric. It ain't the same metric.
[2:04:13] Speaker 5: Because you're retiring not because you're done with the game.
[2:04:15] Speaker 5: It's because you don't get what you want.
[2:04:17] Speaker 3: No, it ain't because I get what I want because
[2:04:18] Speaker 3: I'm not finna play for a college coach. When I
[2:04:22] Speaker 3: didn't won six championships, you're not finna bring a college
[2:04:25] Speaker 3: coach in here where he ain't never coached in the NBA.
[2:04:28] Speaker 1: Or ever. For that matter.
[2:04:29] Speaker 5: But that's happened with LeBron James on many different occasions.
[2:04:32] Speaker 2: So with LeBron, he had coaches.
[2:04:34] Speaker 5: Like Black came in, Tyronn Lue.
[2:04:38] Speaker 2: Tyronn Lue.
[2:04:39] Speaker 5: He had to play with them guys. They wasn't championship guys.
[2:04:43] Speaker 5: Like he did that.
[2:04:44] Speaker 1: They came from college? T. Lou came from college? Yes.
[2:04:47] Speaker 6: Black came from international. He didn't come from college.
[2:04:49] Speaker 2: He came from overseas. He said he don't even know English.
[2:04:51] Speaker 1: What was he coaching?
[2:04:52] Speaker 2: He didn't even know English. What was he coaching overseas?
[2:04:56] Speaker 3: So was he, hey, so was he coaching, hey, was
[2:05:00] Speaker 3: he a fucking, hold on. Was Black a horse trainer
[2:05:02] Speaker 3: in motherfucking Europe? Or was he coaching professional basketball?
[2:05:06] Speaker 2: Professional, but.
[2:05:07] Speaker 3: So therefore, he was a fucking professional basketball coach, not
[2:05:11] Speaker 3: a college coach.
[2:05:12] Speaker 2: So y'all just talk. We just talk. I mean, shit,
[2:05:15] Speaker 2: if you're going to play ball, play ball. LeBron James,
[2:05:18] Speaker 2: put whoever in the locker room.
[2:05:19] Speaker 1: We're going to play ball. Play ball in Cleveland, nigga.
[2:05:21] Speaker 2: That's the difference.
[2:05:22] Speaker 1: You want to play ball, play ball in Cleveland.
[2:05:24] Speaker 2: Don't go to Miami. That's fine.
[2:05:25] Speaker 1: Don't go to Miami.
[2:05:26] Speaker 4: I went back to Cleveland, and I got none. Man, listen,
[2:05:29] Speaker 4: because I'm the greatest, I can do what I want.
[2:05:31] Speaker 1: In your words, play ball.
[2:05:32] Speaker 2: We are playing ball. We are.
[2:05:34] Speaker 6: Why you leave?
[2:05:34] Speaker 2: And I went down there, and I went with Eric Sposa,
[2:05:36] Speaker 2: who was a rookie coach, too.
[2:05:37] Speaker 1: What's the difference?
[2:05:38] Speaker 2: I mean, shit, everybody I'm winning was a rookie coach.
[2:05:40] Speaker 3: First year.
[2:05:41] Speaker 2: What are you talking about? It don't matter. Damn near
[2:05:43] Speaker 2: a college coach.
[2:05:44] Speaker 1: Damn near. David Black.
[2:05:45] Speaker 2: You're talking about David Black. He couldn't even speak fucking English.
[2:05:48] Speaker 6: It's actually worse.
[2:05:50] Speaker 1: What's worse? It's a film nigga coach.
[2:05:52] Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. Is it?
[2:05:54] Speaker 1: Yes.
[2:05:55] Speaker 7: Yes.
[2:05:55] Speaker 6: Yes.
[2:05:56] Speaker 1: In the NBA setting. Yes. Yes, bro.
[2:05:58] Speaker 6: You can fight that.
[2:06:00] Speaker 1: You can fight that, K.
[2:06:01] Speaker 5: Being in a whole organization from the time you started
[2:06:04] Speaker 5: to now. You only know the grade of the film, bro. DVD, VHS. Hey, look,
[2:06:11] Speaker 5: do I film this angle or that angle? You don't
[2:06:13] Speaker 5: know shit about X's and O's. Did Floyd end up
[2:06:16] Speaker 5: coaching in the NBA?
[2:06:18] Speaker 1: Yeah. And how did he do?
[2:06:20] Speaker 8: Terrible.
[2:06:21] Speaker 3: And the guy that started in the film room, how
[2:06:24] Speaker 3: did he do? Which one?
[2:06:26] Speaker 8: Eric Spolstra. He did really well.
[2:06:28] Speaker 1: He did really well, right?
[2:06:29] Speaker 8: He had a great teacher in Pat Riley.
[2:06:31] Speaker 3: But he was in the NBA system already, right?
[2:06:34] Speaker 1: He was.
[2:06:34] Speaker 3: He didn't come from college and have the NBA everything
[2:06:37] Speaker 3: to learn.
[2:06:37] Speaker 1: Did he not? No.
[2:06:39] Speaker 8: He got blessed by a great coach.
[2:06:41] Speaker 1: In Pat Riley.
[2:06:41] Speaker 3: And learn from him in that system where he started
[2:06:45] Speaker 3: watching NBA film and breaking down NBA sets, film, dialogue,
[2:06:51] Speaker 3: everything that has to do with NBA. This man is
[2:06:53] Speaker 3: putting it together. Y'all done been in film. Y'all walked
[2:06:56] Speaker 3: by the film. Y'all watched NBA film before, right?
[2:06:58] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[2:06:59] Speaker 3: You watched NBA film before.
[2:07:01] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[2:07:02] Speaker 3: That dude had to do the job, right? The dude
[2:07:04] Speaker 3: in the film room. He did a lot, didn't he?
[2:07:07] Speaker 3: So he's pretty smart on how to break this shit down.
[2:07:10] Speaker 2: No, he ain't got to be. That's a production shit.
[2:07:13] Speaker 5: That's like saying we're going to have one of them
[2:07:14] Speaker 5: niggas back there go back there and be a fucking
[2:07:17] Speaker 5: NBA coach because they out here watching.
[2:07:19] Speaker 2: Like you're talking about a YouTuber motherfucker.
[2:07:21] Speaker 5: Hey, you're going to take a dick off YouTube and
[2:07:23] Speaker 5: be like, coach my team because you've been breaking down
[2:07:25] Speaker 5: highlights for the last 10 years.
[2:07:28] Speaker 1: Hell no, man.
[2:07:29] Speaker 3: And you being a part of it? You're getting a
[2:07:31] Speaker 3: motherfucker breaking down film in here. It ain't the same thing.
[2:07:33] Speaker 1: Trust me.
[2:07:34] Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you, Europe basketball and college is
[2:07:37] Speaker 4: the same thing.
[2:07:38] Speaker 1: Who?
[2:07:38] Speaker 2: Europe basketball and college basketball. Is it pros? It's the
[2:07:41] Speaker 2: same thing.
[2:07:42] Speaker 3: Is it the pros?
[2:07:42] Speaker 4: It's the same thing. No, it's the same thing. It's
[2:07:45] Speaker 4: this grown man, but it's the same thing. The way
[2:07:46] Speaker 4: they teach is the same thing.
[2:07:48] Speaker 1: Zone.
[2:07:48] Speaker 2: So is the team over there?
[2:07:50] Speaker 1: Zone, move the ball, run your plays.
[2:07:52] Speaker 3: So the team that you went to play for in
[2:07:54] Speaker 3: Europe when you went out, right? Behind the team name,
[2:07:56] Speaker 3: did it say university?
[2:07:58] Speaker 2: No, it said Roma.
[2:07:59] Speaker 1: So it's not.
[2:08:00] Speaker 3: Fucking same thing.
[2:08:01] Speaker 2: The teaching is basically the same fucking thing. How you
[2:08:04] Speaker 2: going to tell?
[2:08:04] Speaker 1: I played there.
[2:08:04] Speaker 2: I played over there. It's the same team. Yeah, it's
[2:08:07] Speaker 2: the same college.
[2:08:09] Speaker 5: So when Phil Jackson got his first job with the
[2:08:12] Speaker 5: Chicago Bills, Chicago Bulls, Chicago Bulls, When he got that job,
[2:08:17] Speaker 5: you know where he coached before that?
[2:08:19] Speaker 1: Puerto Rico.
[2:08:19] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:08:20] Speaker 1: Pros? Puerto Rico. Pros?
[2:08:22] Speaker 6: Semi-pro.
[2:08:24] Speaker 1: Semi-pro.
[2:08:25] Speaker 3: Key word in that phrase, motherfucker.
[2:08:28] Speaker 1: Pro. Semi-professional.
[2:08:31] Speaker 5: Them guys in Puerto Rico can't beat a college team.
[2:08:34] Speaker 1: They couldn't beat your team.
[2:08:35] Speaker 5: They couldn't beat the Cincinnati Bearcats. The Cincinnati Bearcats were
[2:08:40] Speaker 5: better than Pepper Diaz.
[2:08:42] Speaker 2: In Puerto Rico. Professional athlete versus college professional.
[2:08:46] Speaker 1: Student athlete.
[2:08:47] Speaker 3: Professional athlete.
[2:08:49] Speaker 1: Student athlete. Ain't the same motherfucking thing.
[2:08:52] Speaker 8: By the way, Phil won a CBA championship before.
[2:08:57] Speaker 1: And is that a college team? CBA a college team?
[2:09:00] Speaker 6: It is a Continental Basketball Association.
[2:09:02] Speaker 5: So you're saying that NBA players should not play with
[2:09:05] Speaker 5: guys who don't have coaching experience.
[2:09:06] Speaker 3: Who said that?
[2:09:07] Speaker 1: I'm asking you. No, no. NBA.
[2:09:09] Speaker 2: No, I'm saying coaching experience. Never coached before.
[2:09:12] Speaker 1: Who said that?
[2:09:13] Speaker 5: If you've never coached before, you're saying that That coach
[2:09:17] Speaker 5: shouldn't be coaching.
[2:09:18] Speaker 2: Who said that?
[2:09:19] Speaker 4: No, he's saying bringing Tim Floyd in from the college
[2:09:21] Speaker 4: level is a mistake. Michael Jordan's not fucking with it.
[2:09:26] Speaker 5: So if it wasn't Tim Floyd and it was somebody
[2:09:28] Speaker 5: who didn't have even college experience, just somebody like, hey, listen, man,
[2:09:33] Speaker 5: he's the front office guy over here. He was actually
[2:09:36] Speaker 5: the assistant ball boy, like, you know. Jamal Mosley. Jamal
[2:09:41] Speaker 5: Mosley didn't coach in college. He didn't coach no fucking where.
[2:09:45] Speaker 5: He was rebounding the ball when we was shooting that shit.
[2:09:48] Speaker 5: He was with Tim Gergerich in the summertime. He got
[2:09:52] Speaker 5: a fucking coaching job.
[2:09:53] Speaker 1: For which team? Which team was he doing all that
[2:09:56] Speaker 1: shit for? Does it matter? Yes. He wasn't coaching.
[2:09:59] Speaker 2: He was rebounding.
[2:10:00] Speaker 1: No.
[2:10:00] Speaker 3: He was rebounding. I can tell you what he was
[2:10:02] Speaker 3: doing because I was there.
[2:10:03] Speaker 2: Was he not rebounding?
[2:10:04] Speaker 1: He was on the Denver Nuggets. I can tell you
[2:10:06] Speaker 1: what he was doing. He was developing.
[2:10:07] Speaker 6: Was he doing scouting?
[2:10:08] Speaker 1: He was developing players.
[2:10:09] Speaker 6: Was he doing scout report?
[2:10:10] Speaker 3: What he was doing, he was developing players is what
[2:10:12] Speaker 3: he was doing.
[2:10:12] Speaker 5: So that's better than a college coach who's actually coaching
[2:10:17] Speaker 5: college players and know how to talk to guys, know
[2:10:20] Speaker 5: how to run plays, know how to formulate a scouting report,
[2:10:23] Speaker 5: know how to run a practice, know how to get
[2:10:26] Speaker 5: on the road and articulate a fucking itinerary.
[2:10:30] Speaker 1: You have experience.
[2:10:31] Speaker 3: And guess what facts are? Those experiences of him being
[2:10:35] Speaker 3: developing players, the same guy that we talking about, guess
[2:10:39] Speaker 3: who ended up? as NBA head coach in Jamal Mosley.
[2:10:43] Speaker 2: So all that shit. Where did Tim Floyd end up?
[2:10:46] Speaker 5: Tim Floyd ended up with the Chicago Bulls.
[2:10:48] Speaker 1: And how did he do in that role?
[2:10:49] Speaker 2: How did Jamal do?
[2:10:50] Speaker 1: He fucking just got fired.
[2:10:51] Speaker 2: He just got fired. He just got fired.
[2:10:53] Speaker 1: They had the same success.
[2:10:59] Speaker 5: Way more they had the same success same success they.
[2:11:03] Speaker 1: Didn't win shit and they both got fired.
[2:11:05] Speaker 3: Okay cool now that oh now that's the metric he
[2:11:07] Speaker 3: came from college.
[2:11:09] Speaker 5: Man i got more experience than you and we both
[2:11:11] Speaker 5: got fired who got more experience tim floyd yes he
[2:11:14] Speaker 5: did he coached in college okay usc usc he didn't
[2:11:19] Speaker 5: coach at fucking camden.
[2:11:21] Speaker 2: He didn't coach at lehigh he coached at usc Not yet.
[2:11:25] Speaker 8: He hadn't been there yet.
[2:11:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to say because he recruited me at USC.
[2:11:29] Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest. I did not expect Tim
[2:11:30] Speaker 1: Floyd's name to come up in this episode today. So, therefore.
[2:11:33] Speaker 2: Tim Floyd was pissed when I heard that. They hired J.J.
[2:11:35] Speaker 3: Riddick.
[2:11:36] Speaker 6: And?
[2:11:38] Speaker 2: He ain't coached college or nothing.
[2:11:39] Speaker 8: That is true.
[2:11:40] Speaker 2: He was fucking commentating. He ain't got no fucking experience.
[2:11:43] Speaker 3: And LeBron could have been like, I don't.
[2:11:46] Speaker 2: Want to play for him.
[2:11:48] Speaker 3: And LeBron could have been like, I don't want to
[2:11:50] Speaker 3: fuck Billy Donovan.
[2:11:51] Speaker 2: And why didn't he? Because I'm a hooper.
[2:11:53] Speaker 5: I'm a hooper. LeBron's been playing with the coaches who
[2:11:56] Speaker 5: don't have experience.
[2:11:56] Speaker 1: I don't want to play for him.
[2:11:57] Speaker 5: But Michael Jordan has an asterisk critique for.
[2:12:00] Speaker 2: Leaving and not playing. That's all I'm saying. That's all
[2:12:03] Speaker 2: I'm saying. LeBron is, get me any coach.
[2:12:05] Speaker 1: Come on, man. We're going to figure it out.
[2:12:06] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[2:12:07] Speaker 5: Where did Mike Brown coach at? He coached the Lakers.
[2:12:10] Speaker 5: We're going to figure it out.
[2:12:11] Speaker 8: Okay.
[2:12:11] Speaker 2: Because with my winning shares, I'm that. So T.
[2:12:14] Speaker 1: Lou was anybody, right? Huh?
[2:12:16] Speaker 6: So T.
[2:12:16] Speaker 1: Lou was just anybody?
[2:12:17] Speaker 2: At that time, yes.
[2:12:18] Speaker 3: So did he not have a championship ring as.
[2:12:21] Speaker 2: An assistant coach?
[2:12:22] Speaker 6: Wait, as an assistant coach or playing?
[2:12:25] Speaker 3: Did Tyron Lou not have a ring already?
[2:12:27] Speaker 2: Where at?
[2:12:27] Speaker 5: Boston.
[2:12:28] Speaker 1: Boston? You talking about sitting on the bench?
[2:12:32] Speaker 3: So he wasn't just anybody that LeBron had to win with.
[2:12:36] Speaker 4: Yes, you're somebody new. You're in my kingdom. You're in
[2:12:40] Speaker 4: my kingdom. It ain't just give me anybody.
[2:12:43] Speaker 6: They gave you Black. David Black.
[2:12:45] Speaker 2: That's anybody.
[2:12:46] Speaker 1: That was an anybody.
[2:12:47] Speaker 2: That's an anybody. That's an anybody.
[2:12:51] Speaker 5: That's definitely an international anybody.
[2:12:53] Speaker 2: Let's go get black. So they gave.
[2:12:55] Speaker 1: You a coach that's coached.
[2:12:57] Speaker 3: So hear me out now.
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: Hold on.
[2:13:00] Speaker 3: What style of play did the NBA try to adapt?
[2:13:04] Speaker 3: The European style of play, right? So what did the
[2:13:06] Speaker 3: Cleveland Cavaliers try? They went and got a guy from
[2:13:08] Speaker 3: over there to try to implement that style of play
[2:13:10] Speaker 3: where the NBA was adapting.
[2:13:12] Speaker 1: But Kane, the Cavs said, I'm going to give you
[2:13:14] Speaker 1: the European, Tim Floyd and Brown said, no, I will stay.
[2:13:17] Speaker 1: I will stay here. I'm not going to Washington.
[2:13:19] Speaker 2: And then he got him fired.
[2:13:21] Speaker 1: Then what happened?
[2:13:23] Speaker 2: Then they get Mike Brown, then he gets fired.
[2:13:25] Speaker 6: He gets this coach.
[2:13:26] Speaker 2: He's moving the ball. Sitting in the zone.
[2:13:30] Speaker 3: So when they got a guy that knew what he
[2:13:31] Speaker 3: was doing, And T. Lou had the experience of being
[2:13:34] Speaker 3: on the bench and all that after being in the
[2:13:35] Speaker 3: locker room and all that shit already.
[2:13:36] Speaker 1: What did they do?
[2:13:37] Speaker 5: Hey, Mike, if Mike didn't want to go play with
[2:13:39] Speaker 5: Tim Floyd, but you want to go play with Doug
[2:13:41] Speaker 5: Collins with a terrible team?
[2:13:45] Speaker 3: Go play with him.
[2:13:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:13:47] Speaker 3: Go play with him or that's the team that Michael Jordan.
[2:13:48] Speaker 5: Was drafted to. Engineer of the roster. No, not drafted to.
[2:13:51] Speaker 5: Doug Collins in Washington, bro.
[2:13:52] Speaker 1: Engineer of the roster. Doug Collins in Washington. That was business.
[2:13:55] Speaker 2: Didn't Brown get to the finals with Mike Brown?
[2:13:56] Speaker 3: That was a business move.
[2:13:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, come on.
[2:13:58] Speaker 3: That was a business move. The Washington Wizards was a
[2:14:01] Speaker 3: business move.
[2:14:02] Speaker 2: Oh, now it's business. It was. Well, then everything is business. Well,
[2:14:07] Speaker 2: then everything is business.
[2:14:08] Speaker 6: That's not a fact. That's not a fact.
[2:14:10] Speaker 2: If it's business, that's fine.
[2:14:13] Speaker 4: Well, then stop putting that shit on the ground about.
[2:14:15] Speaker 2: The business move he made to go to Miami.
[2:14:17] Speaker 1: It was a business move.
[2:14:18] Speaker 8: He was close friends with the owner.
[2:14:20] Speaker 1: And for him, Abe Pollan.
[2:14:21] Speaker 8: Yep.
[2:14:21] Speaker 1: Mr. Abe Pollan.
[2:14:22] Speaker 3: Abe was like, I need you to lace these things up.
[2:14:28] Speaker 8: If shit gonna be business, then stop it.
[2:14:30] Speaker 6: And then Gil came in and stole all of his
[2:14:32] Speaker 6: Wizards merchandise.
[2:14:33] Speaker 1: But it was also business.
[2:14:35] Speaker 5: We're bringing Tim Floyd in, and we're getting real Phil.
[2:14:38] Speaker 6: Hey, Mike, what you gonna do? Well, business-wise, I'm not
[2:14:41] Speaker 6: coming back.
[2:14:42] Speaker 3: So let me ask you a question, Sean. Is there
[2:14:44] Speaker 3: such thing as bad business?
[2:14:46] Speaker 1: And LeBron did. Mike did bad business.
[2:14:47] Speaker 3: And bringing Tim Floyd in for Phil Jackson, guess what?
[2:14:50] Speaker 2: Bad business. He was already mad because he wasn't playing
[2:14:52] Speaker 2: with him.
[2:14:53] Speaker 1: Bad business.
[2:14:54] Speaker 2: LeBron ain't never done bad business.
[2:14:55] Speaker 1: Bad business.
[2:14:55] Speaker 8: Huh?
[2:14:56] Speaker 2: Go wherever I want.
[2:14:57] Speaker 1: I win.
[2:14:58] Speaker 2: How's that bad business?
[2:14:59] Speaker 1: Well, cool. Speaking of winning, you all win when you
[2:15:02] Speaker 1: download the Underdog app and use code GIL. But let's
[2:15:05] Speaker 1: move on. Transition gel. Let's wrap up today with our
[2:15:08] Speaker 1: playoff picks powered by Underdog's prediction markets. Here are the
[2:15:11] Speaker 1: updated standings for reference here.
[2:15:14] Speaker 3: Damn, I got a loss. Damn, I got a loss.
[2:15:19] Speaker 1: Shot 35-26. Does that bring me up a little? That
[2:15:22] Speaker 1: brings me up.
[2:15:22] Speaker 3: No, we're still in the same boat.
[2:15:24] Speaker 1: No, I got way more wins. You got who? Way more.
[2:15:27] Speaker 3: You got way more losses than wins. You got five
[2:15:30] Speaker 3: more losses than wins. If you lose again. If don't count.
[2:15:34] Speaker 6: When you lose again.
[2:15:36] Speaker 1: Okay, Mr. Technical Ass. When you lose again. You're still
[2:15:40] Speaker 1: going to have more. When I win again.
[2:15:41] Speaker 3: You're still going to have more.
[2:15:42] Speaker 2: Losses.
[2:15:43] Speaker 5: It's going to be 32-22, 35. But you still don't
[2:15:45] Speaker 5: have any losses. So I'm just hired because I won more.
[2:15:47] Speaker 5: But you still have more losses. So I have more wins, too.
[2:15:50] Speaker 5: You still have more losses.
[2:15:51] Speaker 1: More wins. You still have more losses. More losses.
[2:15:53] Speaker 3: Still in first place.
[2:15:54] Speaker 1: I'm at the top.
[2:15:54] Speaker 3: I'm still in first place.
[2:15:55] Speaker 2: More wins.
[2:15:56] Speaker 1: No games tonight.
[2:15:57] Speaker 3: I'm at the top of that. So what does that say?
[2:15:59] Speaker 1: Playoff? What's that? It says leader. What does that mean?
[2:16:03] Speaker 1: The leader of that board, right?
[2:16:06] Speaker 5: You got to catch up with your games because I
[2:16:08] Speaker 5: got more games. That ain't got nothing to do with me.
[2:16:11] Speaker 5: It has everything to do. You've been not playing. You've
[2:16:14] Speaker 5: been not playing.
[2:16:15] Speaker 6: So when you play, you lose.
[2:16:17] Speaker 1: I win.
[2:16:17] Speaker 2: Thank you. Me and Brandon have been playing.
[2:16:20] Speaker 3: Me and Brandon. We've been playing.
[2:16:24] Speaker 6: And I've been winning.
[2:16:25] Speaker 3: Got a better winning percentage.
[2:16:26] Speaker 8: By the way, I'm the goat, right? Because I'm four
[2:16:29] Speaker 8: and six.
[2:16:30] Speaker 2: My windshare. My windshare. I did it.
[2:16:34] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[2:16:35] Speaker 2: I got more windshares.
[2:16:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:16:37] Speaker 6: Oh, six.
[2:16:38] Speaker 2: I got more windshares on the board.
[2:16:40] Speaker 6: Four and six. It gets you there.
[2:16:41] Speaker 1: It does.
[2:16:41] Speaker 8: I'm the goat.
[2:16:42] Speaker 1: The goat, baby. It's over. Yeah. I started the show
[2:16:46] Speaker 1: saying this. I will end the show saying this. Can't
[2:16:47] Speaker 1: we all just get along? Whatever your list is, whoever
[2:16:50] Speaker 1: your goat is. We all love basketball. We all love
[2:16:53] Speaker 1: the basketball community. But we have no games tonight. Two
[2:16:55] Speaker 1: games Friday, though. NBA whack for that. Yeah. It's all good.
[2:16:59] Speaker 1: Why the hell the game?
[2:17:00] Speaker 4: Oh, so can we make our picks right now?
[2:17:03] Speaker 1: You can make your picks. So we got Pistons, Cavs,
[2:17:05] Speaker 1: Game 6.
[2:17:06] Speaker 2: Game 6.
[2:17:06] Speaker 1: This Friday. Potential closeout game? This is tricky.
[2:17:12] Speaker 2: I'm going with Pistons.
[2:17:14] Speaker 1: I'm going with Pistons game six. Skip, who do you
[2:17:16] Speaker 1: think is winning?
[2:17:17] Speaker 8: Do you realize every game I've picked so far has
[2:17:19] Speaker 8: involved the Detroit Pistons, all those Orlando crazy games, and
[2:17:23] Speaker 8: now this? I'm on record. Cavs will end it.
[2:17:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's done with the Pistons. Kane, who are you
[2:17:30] Speaker 1: rolling with?
[2:17:31] Speaker 2: Unfortunately. Be careful. Be careful.
[2:17:36] Speaker 1: Think about it.
[2:17:37] Speaker 3: I got to go with Cleveland, man.
[2:17:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, he got to make sure he get his windshield right.
[2:17:41] Speaker 5: He don't want to stray because then he going to
[2:17:44] Speaker 5: lose that top spot. He ain't going to take his
[2:17:46] Speaker 5: real pick because he don't want to lose that spot.
[2:17:49] Speaker 1: No, they don't want.
[2:17:50] Speaker 3: they don't lose at home, so I'm going with the
[2:17:52] Speaker 3: team that ain't lost at home in the playoffs yet.
[2:17:54] Speaker 1: That's the fucking logical pick. I'm taking a logical pick.
[2:17:58] Speaker 8: We just got one Pistons?
[2:18:00] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. So let's talk now Spurs, Timberwolves. Game six as well.
[2:18:07] Speaker 1: Everybody had pistons.
[2:18:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, we all lost.
[2:18:09] Speaker 3: We picked the pistons last night.
[2:18:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, we all lost. You've been fucking up the count.
[2:18:14] Speaker 5: Somebody's been fucking up the goddamn count.
[2:18:17] Speaker 2: Somebody's fucking up the count. I know it.
[2:18:19] Speaker 3: Because I know I got 35 wins.
[2:18:21] Speaker 2: That count looks suspect, bro.
[2:18:22] Speaker 1: I know I got 35 wins.
[2:18:24] Speaker 2: That shit look crazy.
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: I know I had more wins.
[2:18:27] Speaker 6: I'm like, how the fuck?
[2:18:28] Speaker 3: You got more wins. I got more wins, nigga.
[2:18:31] Speaker 1: I know I got more wins for sure.
[2:18:32] Speaker 2: All right, so what we got?
[2:18:34] Speaker 1: Spurs. Spurs, Timberwolves, Game 6. Minnesota. In Minnesota. Close out.
[2:18:38] Speaker 3: Minnesota.
[2:18:39] Speaker 1: Spurs, 3-2 lead. Got something to prove. Who, Minnesota? San Antonio.
[2:18:44] Speaker 1: Taking the shot, taking the Spurs, can you?
[2:18:46] Speaker 2: Who are you?
[2:18:48] Speaker 1: Send a video.
[2:18:51] Speaker 2: Send....
[2:19:00] Speaker 3: San Antonio.
[2:19:03] Speaker 2: Just pick what I pick. What you got?
[2:19:04] Speaker 3: Because the one game when we got kicked out, the
[2:19:06] Speaker 3: motherfuckers barely won. So I'm going San Antonio.
[2:19:12] Speaker 1: Hey, Mr. Jennings. Spurs. Alien.
[2:19:16] Speaker 8: I'm going the Alien.
[2:19:17] Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yep. I don't even like the way that feel.
[2:19:22] Speaker 2: I don't even like the way that feel. I don't
[2:19:28] Speaker 2: even like the way that feel. Y'all are trying to
[2:19:30] Speaker 2: jinx us.
[2:19:30] Speaker 1: That's what I feel. On that note, again, let's end
[2:19:35] Speaker 1: the beef. Everybody come together. We can all get our
[2:19:38] Speaker 1: numbers without beefing with each other.
[2:19:40] Speaker 5: Ain't no beef. We just talking who? Everybody else talking
[2:19:42] Speaker 5: other shit. We talking what we see, what we like,
[2:19:46] Speaker 5: and what we feel. And this is it. Everybody can
[2:19:48] Speaker 5: clash with it. You know, my mentions go crazy.
[2:19:50] Speaker 1: These motherfuckers hate me just for me not liking who
[2:19:53] Speaker 1: they like.
[2:19:55] Speaker 2: It's okay.
[2:19:58] Speaker 1: Shout out to everybody in the chat. Shout out to
[2:20:00] Speaker 1: everybody on this couch. Shout out to our amazing crew.
[2:20:02] Speaker 1: This has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:20:07] Speaker 1: We will see y'all next week.

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