# Gil's Arena Predicts The BIGGEST Moves Of The Offseason

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 17 Jun 2026, 1 h 56 min.

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Gil's Arena Predicts The BIGGEST Moves Of The NBA Offseason as the Gil's Arena Crew discusses LeBron James' upcoming free agency where the Golden State Warriors are quietly emerging as a top suitor, allowing LeBron to team up with other aging legends like Steph Curry & Draymond Green to chase one more ring and debate how the King's time with the Los Angeles Lakers will be remembered if he chooses to move on from the Purple and Gold. They also highlight another big decision for the Lakers this offseason as Austin Reaves is expected to enter NBA Free Agency and debate how the Lake Show should handle the market for Lemon Daddy as they weigh overpaying the sharpshooter to build a championship back court with Luka Doncic or completely move on to restructure with their Slovenian Superstar. Next, they continue their discussion on the saga surrounding Giannis Antetokounmpo & The Milwaukee Bucks as the Greek Freak looks to be just a few days away from being traded to a new team and debate which NBA team will land the former MVP with the Boston Celtics & Miami Heat emerging as the top suitors and dark horses like the OKC Thunder & San Antonio Spurs lurking in the background. Finally, they react to OKC Thunder GM Sam Presti clapping back at the flopping narrative surrounding his franchise superstar Shai Gilgeous Alexander and discuss if the back to back MVP is drawing too much hate for his ability to draw fouls. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin, Skip Bayless, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code ARENA and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogsports.com/vgwg/... For the first time ever you can try NetSuite Next for free. Go to https://NetSuite.AI/Gil SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:58 LeBron's Upcoming Free Agency 0:06:02 Best Fit For Giannis 1:02:24 Austin Reaves' Future In LA 1:22:49 Can The Lakers Win With AR As #2 Option 1:37:01 Would You Trade Fox For Zion? 1:49:16 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:04] Speaker 2: Whoop, whoop.
[0:05] Speaker 1: Whoop, whoop. Glorious Wednesday here in the arena. Juneteenth, only
[0:10] Speaker 1: two days away.
[0:11] Speaker 2: Very festive.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Mr. B, you're not celebrating Juneteenth? Yeah. I thought you
[0:16] Speaker 1: was having a turn up.
[0:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
[0:18] Speaker 3: The Juneteenth turn up. The Juneteenth. Last year's was crazy.
[0:24] Speaker 3: Game seven of the finals was supposed to be on Juneteenth.
[0:26] Speaker 3: Ended prematurely, though. Thanks to Jalen Brunson and the Knicks.
[0:30] Speaker 3: We got a lot to get into today. This is
[0:32] Speaker 3: Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:33] Speaker 1: Whoop, whoop.
[0:34] Speaker 3: I'm merely an award-winning host, Josiah Johnson. We're joined by
[0:37] Speaker 3: NBA champion of the world, Swaggy Pete, Nick Young.
[0:41] Speaker 1: World winner? I like that. He's like a champ, too, almost. Swaggy.
[0:46] Speaker 1: Two-time Little League champion. That's fucked, okay. Two-time. Got the ring, okay.
[0:50] Speaker 1: Two-time Little League champion. Local, but nonetheless, just gave their all.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Like she sold them in juice.
[0:57] Speaker 2: Oh, you local.
[0:57] Speaker 1: Oh, you local.
[0:59] Speaker 3: Local legend in San Fernando Valley. You can find me
[1:02] Speaker 3: at Target, Whole Foods, amongst other locations. We're sitting next
[1:05] Speaker 3: to Swaggy, representing Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd Golf, and a
[1:08] Speaker 3: car-carrying country club member. We got Mr. B. Brandon Jennings.
[1:14] Speaker 1: Go get your golf tees. We got Tough Crowd tees.
[1:17] Speaker 2: Like some mints.
[1:18] Speaker 3: 18 premium tees. I thought it was a pack of heaters.
[1:21] Speaker 3: I tried to get me back. Ooh, back on the pack.
[1:25] Speaker 1: Some smokes like that.
[1:28] Speaker 3: On this side of the couch, we have one of
[1:28] Speaker 3: the biggest legends in the sports media game representing the
[1:31] Speaker 3: biggest legend in basketball history, Skip Bayless.
[1:34] Speaker 1: Back in the building. You're a GOAT. Okay.
[1:37] Speaker 2: I'm going to tear all these up.
[1:39] Speaker 1: You're a GOAT.
[1:41] Speaker 2: I'll have more for you.
[1:42] Speaker 1: I'm going to tear all these up on Monday. Very
[1:45] Speaker 1: nice jersey you got there, Skip.
[1:46] Speaker 4: Just don't count on me the last couple of minutes
[1:48] Speaker 4: of the show.
[1:49] Speaker 3: We will count on you, and you will deliver. And
[1:52] Speaker 3: you will deliver against all odds. On this side of
[1:55] Speaker 3: the couch, we got the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff,
[1:57] Speaker 3: former number one pick, Canyon Martin.
[2:02] Speaker 1: What's happening, man? I like doing everybody's shit, that's why.
[2:10] Speaker 3: Last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry,
[2:12] Speaker 3: NCAA champion of.
[2:13] Speaker 1: The world, Rashad McCants. Finish him.
[2:23] Speaker 2: New combo today. Oh, no double-double?
[2:27] Speaker 1: Leg day. Let me be me, man. Let me be me.
[2:32] Speaker 1: Let me be me. Chest day. Chest day.
[2:34] Speaker 2: No leg day.
[2:35] Speaker 1: Can you teach me some moves?
[2:38] Speaker 2: We got a lot.
[2:40] Speaker 1: Leroy.
[2:41] Speaker 2: That's who I am.
[2:44] Speaker 3: We got a lot to discuss today. Here's what's cracking
[2:46] Speaker 3: in Gil's arena. LeBron, set to be a free agent
[2:49] Speaker 3: for the first time in nearly a decade. Should the
[2:52] Speaker 3: King take his talents to the Bay to team up
[2:54] Speaker 3: with the chef or try to work out a deal
[2:56] Speaker 3: with the Lakers to come back for one more year?
[2:58] Speaker 3: Bucks less than a week away from their self-imposed Giannis
[3:02] Speaker 3: trade deadline. But should the Greek freak prioritize winning or
[3:06] Speaker 3: his legacy as he moves to his next destination? And
[3:08] Speaker 3: SGA has become one of the most criticized players in
[3:11] Speaker 3: the league. Does the back-to-back MVP deserve all the hate
[3:13] Speaker 3: he's getting for flopping and foul baiting? Before we get
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[4:00] Speaker 3: So we're going to talk about Skip's favorite subject first.
[4:03] Speaker 3: Got to start the show off with a bang. Free agency,
[4:05] Speaker 3: two weeks away for the first time since 2018. LeBron
[4:08] Speaker 3: will be one of the most intriguing names on the market.
[4:11] Speaker 3: LeBron's agent, Rich Paul, made an appearance on the Pat
[4:13] Speaker 3: McAfee show last week. said despite rumors circulating, he hasn't
[4:17] Speaker 3: had a conversation with LeBron about next season just yet
[4:20] Speaker 3: as LeBron decides whether to hang it up or return
[4:22] Speaker 3: for his 24th year. But Paul also noted he's received
[4:25] Speaker 3: incoming calls from about 10 to 12 teams who are
[4:28] Speaker 3: interested in signing LeBron should he return. So Swaggy, we'll
[4:31] Speaker 3: start with you. You saw the light earlier this season.
[4:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[4:35] Speaker 3: Came over, became a LeBron sexual, loud and proud. That's
[4:39] Speaker 3: what they call it.
[4:41] Speaker 5: I wasn't always, I felt like I always been LeBron.
[4:43] Speaker 1: I haven't, you know. Not as much as you should.
[4:46] Speaker 5: Once it get in you, it just feel like it's
[4:50] Speaker 5: been in you forever.
[4:52] Speaker 3: Should LeBron and the Lakers run it back for one
[4:55] Speaker 3: more season or is it time to move in a
[4:58] Speaker 3: different direction?
[4:59] Speaker 1: It's time for LeBron to go. So wait. So you
[5:02] Speaker 1: must have liked that. You didn't remix it. You didn't
[5:04] Speaker 1: bring it back. You just let that shit glaze over.
[5:06] Speaker 1: You have to just move on because... Every time you
[5:09] Speaker 1: talk about brine... It's overglazed. Every time you talk about brine,
[5:13] Speaker 1: you got to glaze. It's overglazed. But he just said
[5:17] Speaker 1: that like he's used to it. You just have to
[5:19] Speaker 1: speed by it. You just got to ignore something. We
[5:22] Speaker 1: hang out all the time. He say this type of
[5:23] Speaker 1: shit all the time. He try to put it in
[5:26] Speaker 1: me too. I don't know what... I don't know what. Hey,
[5:29] Speaker 1: I get it. I get it.
[5:30] Speaker 2: That was not said. I get it.
[5:31] Speaker 1: It's in me, too. It's in me, too. It's in me, too. Hey, listen.
[5:35] Speaker 1: We cool. No swag. He used to do them, putting
[5:38] Speaker 1: it in people and shit. What we on?
[5:41] Speaker 2: What we on?
[5:41] Speaker 1: Stop. It's Ron we talking about here. I'm just saying.
[5:44] Speaker 1: Why you make me talk about Ron? Because he's the
[5:45] Speaker 1: Ron fan. You see how they get? It just is
[5:48] Speaker 1: uncomfortable for me. I had to say. Bright light, bright light,
[5:51] Speaker 1: bright light.
[5:51] Speaker 2: All you can do is pray.
[5:52] Speaker 1: It was uncomfortable. The gremlins, man, gremlins, bright light. Yeah,
[5:55] Speaker 1: that's what it felt like. You put the bright light
[5:57] Speaker 1: on me. I'm bubbling up and shit. I'm like, ew,
[5:59] Speaker 1: what was that? Bubbles and shit start popping. Yeah, I
[6:01] Speaker 1: get it.
[6:02] Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
[6:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian should leave, I feel like. It's over for
[6:08] Speaker 1: him in L.A. He did everything he had to.
[6:13] Speaker 5: For me, playing with Steph would be, I think that
[6:16] Speaker 5: Lee would need that I like that, but I don't
[6:20] Speaker 5: think they'll win there.
[6:21] Speaker 1: I don't think they're winning. That's a winning team that's
[6:24] Speaker 1: going to win the championship. But for sure, leave L.A.
[6:27] Speaker 5: You get all, you get most of the blame, none
[6:31] Speaker 5: of the credit, really, out here with Luca and everybody.
[6:34] Speaker 5: It's time to go try to get one. And you
[6:38] Speaker 5: can sign anywhere you want. Everybody will take you. It's
[6:42] Speaker 5: LeBron at the end of the day, so go get
[6:44] Speaker 5: a ring.
[6:44] Speaker 3: 10 to 12 teams, according to Rich Paul, have received
[6:47] Speaker 3: calls inquiring. LeBron yet to make a decision. He said
[6:50] Speaker 3: he could wait up until August and announce whether he's
[6:52] Speaker 3: coming back or not. For Mr. B, tough crowd representative,
[6:55] Speaker 3: tough crowd golf purveyor. Should LeBron and the Lakers try
[6:59] Speaker 3: to run it back, or is it time for him
[7:01] Speaker 3: to make his next move his best move?
[7:03] Speaker 6: To me, it just depends. Depends on what the Lakers
[7:06] Speaker 6: roster is going to look like. I know rumors that
[7:10] Speaker 6: they're looking for a one-year, $ 57 million deal.
[7:13] Speaker 2: If you do leave.
[7:15] Speaker 6: there's a bunch of contenders out there that you can
[7:17] Speaker 6: go to, like the Cavs, the Spurs, the Pistons, Clippers, but,
[7:24] Speaker 6: you know, if you go to the Warriors, I mean,
[7:27] Speaker 6: you know, this is not five or six years ago
[7:29] Speaker 6: when it really did make sense. You know, the West
[7:32] Speaker 6: is loaded right now, and with the way that, the
[7:35] Speaker 6: only way it works, you're going to have to go
[7:37] Speaker 6: get a Giannis, you're going to have to get a
[7:38] Speaker 6: Kawhi or something, and then Bron takes the deal, but
[7:41] Speaker 6: Other than that, you don't really have any bench. The
[7:44] Speaker 6: only defense you really have is over there is Draymond Green.
[7:47] Speaker 6: So this is kind of looking like the Lakers with
[7:49] Speaker 6: Karl Malone and Gary Payton and all them when they
[7:51] Speaker 6: were trying to get a ring on their last leg.
[7:53] Speaker 6: So to me, I don't really like it. But, you know,
[7:57] Speaker 6: it just depends on what the Lakers, you know, are
[7:59] Speaker 6: looking like. But there are some other contenders he can
[8:01] Speaker 6: go to.
[8:02] Speaker 5: Karl Malone was averaging 20-something? Karl Malone was averaging 20-something
[8:06] Speaker 5: on the Lakers?
[8:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's... You know, it was on his last
[8:11] Speaker 1: leg trying to get it, and it didn't happen. He's
[8:15] Speaker 1: looking like LeBron.
[8:20] Speaker 3: For the record, Karl Malone averaged 13 points per game
[8:23] Speaker 3: in his final season with the Lakers.
[8:25] Speaker 2: I said Karl Malone, Gary.
[8:26] Speaker 1: I mean, it was a lot.
[8:26] Speaker 2: I mean, it was a lot of them on that team.
[8:28] Speaker 1: You know, when they lost.
[8:28] Speaker 2: He was flying and doing this.
[8:29] Speaker 1: The year before that, he averaged 20.
[8:35] Speaker 3: The year before that, he averaged 21, 8 rebounds. His
[8:38] Speaker 3: final year with the Jazz, age 39, 0-2, 0-3 season.
[8:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. A good year, a good time.
[8:43] Speaker 2: Took a backseat that last year.
[8:44] Speaker 1: 5XYT sidekick.
[8:46] Speaker 2: Took a who? Backseat that last year. You had no choice.
[8:49] Speaker 3: That's why I was 13. You had no choice. Well,
[8:52] Speaker 3: let's shift over to the side of the couch. Can
[8:53] Speaker 3: we look at the situation with LeBron? 41 years old,
[8:56] Speaker 3: turned 42 this season. Still very productive in year 23
[9:00] Speaker 3: with the Lakers. Helped lead them to a first-round win
[9:03] Speaker 3: over the Houston Rockets. with Luka and Austin Reeves sideline.
[9:07] Speaker 3: Should LeBron Lakers run it back, or is it time
[9:09] Speaker 3: for him to make his next move his best move?
[9:12] Speaker 2: Just all depends on what they do at AR, all right?
[9:17] Speaker 2: Him coming back and if AR signs what they think
[9:21] Speaker 2: he's gonna sign for, then he come back as number two,
[9:24] Speaker 2: and is LeBron gonna be comfortable being number three again, right?
[9:28] Speaker 2: That's how that went, all right? But I think it
[9:35] Speaker 2: all depends on that. If he's to come back and
[9:37] Speaker 2: be a Laker, then I think that's a big decision.
[9:40] Speaker 2: But if he was to move on, which I think
[9:43] Speaker 2: there's teams that can use his services still, that leadership
[9:48] Speaker 2: has been in every situation, teams that need to learn
[9:50] Speaker 2: how to win, he could help. But that will have
[9:55] Speaker 2: to come with a pay cut, I believe, right? In
[9:58] Speaker 2: order to put a team together around him, no matter
[10:01] Speaker 2: where he goes, you can't ask for the max right now.
[10:05] Speaker 2: He can, but I don't think it's smart for a
[10:08] Speaker 2: team that's trying to win right now to give a
[10:12] Speaker 2: 42-year-old guy the max. That's... Value, yes, because of who
[10:19] Speaker 2: he is. But if it's about winning another ring, then
[10:23] Speaker 2: I don't think both can exist. If he was to
[10:30] Speaker 2: go to one of those contender teams that need that
[10:33] Speaker 2: kind of leadership and can use his passing and fourth
[10:38] Speaker 2: quarter savant-ness.
[10:40] Speaker 1: I can.
[10:42] Speaker 3: Think of a team that could really use that in
[10:46] Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. Based on what we've seen recently.
[10:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Not a desirable city, personally. Yeah, but you
[10:53] Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? So it's a lot of moving
[10:57] Speaker 2: pieces that have to be in place in order, like,
[11:00] Speaker 2: the ideal fit would be for him to be a
[11:02] Speaker 2: Laker again, of course. But like I said, I think
[11:04] Speaker 2: it just depends on what they plan on doing with AR.
[11:07] Speaker 2: If they give him 250, there's no room to give
[11:12] Speaker 2: Bron what he's asking for, which would be the maxes. So, therefore,
[11:17] Speaker 2: he would be moving on. And the ball is in
[11:20] Speaker 2: the Lakers' court.
[11:22] Speaker 1: Sort of.
[11:22] Speaker 2: I'm saying no pun intended. But I just can't accept. Well,
[11:28] Speaker 2: to an extent.
[11:29] Speaker 3: I mean, once free agency starts, obviously Reeves is expected
[11:31] Speaker 3: to opt out. We're going to talk Reeves a little
[11:32] Speaker 3: bit later in the show.
[11:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's opting out. It is. That's a foregone conclusion.
[11:38] Speaker 1: Not a ton of bread out there, though.
[11:40] Speaker 2: Why would he opt in? He's going to get more
[11:42] Speaker 2: than he's going to opt out. Yeah, you know what
[11:43] Speaker 2: I'm saying?
[11:43] Speaker 1: But.
[11:45] Speaker 2: This team can pay him.
[11:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[11:46] Speaker 2: The Lakers can pay him, so.
[11:50] Speaker 3: There's only about six, seven teams that have, obviously, legit
[11:52] Speaker 3: cap space right now, barring team options.
[11:53] Speaker 2: And all that other stuff. Lakers are one of them. And, therefore,
[11:56] Speaker 2: they got the best chance to resign him, you know
[12:00] Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Him and the way him and Luka
[12:03] Speaker 2: play together, their relationship, I think, matters. I think Luka's
[12:06] Speaker 2: happiness matters to the Lakers moving forward. So, having his
[12:11] Speaker 2: buddy there. They play his grab ass wit during the game.
[12:17] Speaker 1: You mean A.R.? Yes, A.R.
[12:18] Speaker 2: No thumbs just yet. Yeah, no thumbs. They just play.
[12:23] Speaker 2: It's kind of a kiddie boy relationship, you know what
[12:25] Speaker 2: I'm saying, which I think that's important to the Lakers
[12:28] Speaker 2: to keep Luka happy. So we'll see.
[12:30] Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to you.
[12:34] Speaker 2: Grab ass. Rashad.
[12:37] Speaker 1: First and foremost, I want to say shout out to Underdog.
[12:42] Speaker 1: You know, I had to wear what I'm so proud
[12:44] Speaker 1: to be wearing, you know, giving us the opportunity to
[12:47] Speaker 1: be able to show and prove as the number one
[12:50] Speaker 1: sports show on the Internet, YouTube, everywhere else. I just
[12:54] Speaker 1: want to be able to.
[12:55] Speaker 5: He's sucking dick.
[12:59] Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
[13:02] Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
[13:04] Speaker 1: I'm going to spit that damn water everywhere. I guess
[13:07] Speaker 1: the gloves are off. I guess the gloves are off.
[13:10] Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
[13:11] Speaker 1: And I shook your hand before the show.
[13:13] Speaker 5: Well, I talked about my love.
[13:16] Speaker 1: LeBron, today. Damn. Okay.
[13:19] Speaker 2: It's Glaze Wednesday.
[13:21] Speaker 1: You said this. Okay, okay. Thank you again. Thanks again.
[13:25] Speaker 1: Thanks again. You know, obviously, he's picked sides. So, we
[13:30] Speaker 1: already know where he's going to go. So, back to
[13:33] Speaker 1: my point. The Lakers, the best thing for them to
[13:37] Speaker 1: do is... to for sure move along from LeBron. I
[13:44] Speaker 1: think that the Warriors is the perfect destination for it.
[13:48] Speaker 2: We talk about storyline. You talk about nostalgia. You talk
[13:50] Speaker 2: about Steph Curry.
[13:52] Speaker 1: Stephen Curry, Draymond Green, Jimmy Butler, and Prazingis. You're talking
[13:57] Speaker 1: about a team that is crafted for a championship.
[14:01] Speaker 2: The Lakers.
[14:03] Speaker 1: Should move on from everybody, from AR, from LeBron. They
[14:08] Speaker 1: should prepare for Joker and start building pieces around that duo,
[14:13] Speaker 1: which will be the new duo in L.A., Luka, Joker,
[14:17] Speaker 1: and preparing for their battles they're going to have to
[14:19] Speaker 1: have with teams like the Warriors, the Spurs, and OKC Thunder.
[14:25] Speaker 1: It's not far-fetched when you think about what they've been
[14:28] Speaker 1: preparing for. Draymond will take less to play with LeBron.
[14:31] Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler would do what he needs to do to
[14:33] Speaker 1: play number three. LeBron fits right in perfectly as a
[14:36] Speaker 1: number two. Steve Kerr just signed an extension. You got
[14:39] Speaker 1: a Przingis who is a defender and that compliments Draymond
[14:42] Speaker 1: very well. And then you got two older guys who
[14:46] Speaker 1: know how to play team defense. So when you look
[14:48] Speaker 1: at the Warriors and you look at the Lakers, it's
[14:50] Speaker 1: like it makes sense for them to make a campaign
[14:53] Speaker 1: around not seeing what Shastradamus sees. But I think I've
[14:58] Speaker 1: always been about 80, 85, 88% right around these times
[15:03] Speaker 1: about predicting things. So if that's not the perfect move
[15:07] Speaker 1: for LeBron, staying in LA would be a mistake. They're
[15:10] Speaker 1: not going to win the championship. He's not going to
[15:12] Speaker 1: leave on the high horse. And if you want to
[15:16] Speaker 1: be able to take the praise of being the GOAT,
[15:19] Speaker 1: you got to leave out on the chip. So I
[15:21] Speaker 1: think that that would be him and Steph's crowning moments
[15:25] Speaker 1: of being one, two, playing with each other as far
[15:28] Speaker 1: as The Olympics was concerned and then being able to
[15:31] Speaker 1: play in the Olympics, win a championship, play beside each other.
[15:35] Speaker 1: The only thing that will make it even more fulfilling
[15:38] Speaker 1: would be Kevin Durant coming back to Golden State and
[15:41] Speaker 1: playing with those guys as well. But I think that
[15:44] Speaker 1: that's the best thing right now for LeBron is to
[15:48] Speaker 1: team up with another super team and take it all
[15:51] Speaker 1: the way. Ride out on the horse.
[15:53] Speaker 3: So you would consider, and we're going to talk a
[15:55] Speaker 3: little bit more Warriors in a moment, but you would
[15:56] Speaker 3: consider Steph LeBron, Draymond Green to be a super team?
[15:59] Speaker 3: Steph LeBron, Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler, ACL injury won't be
[16:03] Speaker 3: back until, I think, early 2027. He's out the whole year?
[16:06] Speaker 1: He suffered in January of this past year, so. He
[16:10] Speaker 1: should be ready. He'll be ready midseason.
[16:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, but January, February. Just a quick question. So you
[16:16] Speaker 2: said Luka, Joker joining Luka, is that what you said?
[16:21] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
[16:22] Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, Skip.
[16:23] Speaker 3: Let's move on to Skip, you wearing the LeBron jersey.
[16:27] Speaker 3: Honor one of your guns, as you previously mentioned on
[16:30] Speaker 3: this show.
[16:31] Speaker 2: We have the tape, Skip.
[16:32] Speaker 1: We have the tape.
[16:33] Speaker 4: So, Rashad, am I hearing you correctly that you would
[16:37] Speaker 4: then pick Golden State to win the West next year
[16:40] Speaker 4: with LeBron?
[16:42] Speaker 1: No.
[16:43] Speaker 4: Would you give them a shot to win the West?
[16:46] Speaker 1: Yes. How? Because they have Steph Curry and LeBron James
[16:51] Speaker 1: on the season. Okay, so.
[16:52] Speaker 4: Steph will turn 39 in March, just for the record. Obviously,
[16:57] Speaker 4: LeBron will turn 42. I'm discounting that because he's playing
[17:02] Speaker 4: at a very high level for his age. Draymond will
[17:05] Speaker 4: turn 37 in March. Jimmy Butler, 37 in September, coming
[17:09] Speaker 4: off the knee. I don't know what they're going to
[17:11] Speaker 4: do with Al Horford. He just turned 41. Buddy Heald
[17:15] Speaker 4: is still around. He's 34 in December. They would be
[17:20] Speaker 4: by far the oldest team in the history of this league.
[17:26] Speaker 4: Could they beat those odds? I mean, it'd be appointment TV.
[17:30] Speaker 4: I'm watching every dribble every night to see what happened.
[17:34] Speaker 4: Maybe like rubbernecking it, like to see if it's going
[17:37] Speaker 4: to be a crash and burn.
[17:39] Speaker 2: But he'll go on with, I think, Kaminga. A lot
[17:41] Speaker 2: of injuries. Okay. Yeah.
[17:44] Speaker 4: How healthy could that stay? And the other problem is–
[17:49] Speaker 4: I can't see how they have any money unless they
[17:52] Speaker 4: do some big things coming up on July 1st to
[17:54] Speaker 4: move some pieces around. But to pay LeBron, he would
[17:59] Speaker 4: have to take as little here as he would elsewhere,
[18:02] Speaker 4: especially with the Lakers, to stay. So I'm not sure.
[18:10] Speaker 4: Oklahoma City and San Antonio are in a league of
[18:12] Speaker 4: their own, as you acknowledge. Now what?
[18:16] Speaker 1: What?
[18:17] Speaker 4: I just don't see where that gets LeBron. If it's
[18:21] Speaker 4: just ring chasing, you go back to Cleveland. And they
[18:24] Speaker 4: don't have any money either. You'd have to take minimal-ish
[18:28] Speaker 4: kind of money. But could LeBron find a fit with
[18:32] Speaker 4: Donovan and James Harden? He probably did it with Luka
[18:36] Speaker 4: and AR. And then you got the two bigs and
[18:41] Speaker 4: Verrett Struess and Schroeder and all the rest of the pieces.
[18:44] Speaker 1: Dean Wade and....
[18:47] Speaker 4: Sam Merrill, they would have a chance with LeBron to
[18:53] Speaker 4: win the East. I would give them a way better
[18:55] Speaker 4: chance than I would give Golden State with LeBron.
[18:57] Speaker 2: How so?
[18:58] Speaker 1: You're talking about pure basketball? You're talking about Draymond Green,
[19:02] Speaker 1: Steph Curry, LeBron James. Okay. Regardless of the age.
[19:05] Speaker 4: What have Steph and Draymond shown you in the last
[19:08] Speaker 4: couple of years?
[19:09] Speaker 1: That they can't play as good as they used to
[19:12] Speaker 1: without Klay Thompson, their piece. They can't stay healthy, and
[19:17] Speaker 1: they don't have a bench. I would have to trade
[19:18] Speaker 1: Jamie Butler. Steph Curry, I don't believe that was fully injured.
[19:23] Speaker 1: I feel like that was a, we need to sit
[19:26] Speaker 1: this thing out because you're the only one.
[19:28] Speaker 2: We don't want to run you out.
[19:29] Speaker 1: And the 42-year-old guy, don't help that. No, they can't
[19:35] Speaker 1: stay healthy. They need somebody else.
[19:36] Speaker 6: This is going to be like that Laker team that
[19:38] Speaker 6: tried to run it back with Carl and all them.
[19:40] Speaker 1: All right. So as the league has not moved on
[19:42] Speaker 1: nostalgia for the last five years when it comes to
[19:44] Speaker 1: LeBron James.
[19:45] Speaker 2: No, that's fine.
[19:46] Speaker 1: No, that was deep. It was self. It was self.
[19:49] Speaker 1: It wouldn't win, baby. it would sell. But it would
[19:51] Speaker 1: get close enough. It would get close enough to making
[19:54] Speaker 1: it happen, especially if you say that they haven't been healthy.
[19:57] Speaker 1: Let's just say that they make a run and they
[20:00] Speaker 1: are semi-healthy. And they show us basketball. They show us,
[20:04] Speaker 1: Steve Kerr shows us that he can coach guys who've
[20:07] Speaker 1: played before.
[20:08] Speaker 2: He has only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
[20:12] Speaker 1: The West is loaded though.
[20:13] Speaker 6: Like, like, like I think we're forgetting how, how loaded
[20:16] Speaker 6: the West is with these young teams with OKC, with
[20:19] Speaker 6: the Spurs, like with. With Denver and Minnesota. Like, these
[20:23] Speaker 6: teams are just getting better, too. So, I get that
[20:26] Speaker 6: we're older and younger, but this is like, bro, the
[20:29] Speaker 6: pace that they're playing at.
[20:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, every night. Is Steph Curry not still good anymore? No,
[20:33] Speaker 1: he's still good.
[20:34] Speaker 5: But he got to change the way he plays.
[20:37] Speaker 2: He has to change the way he plays. That's why
[20:38] Speaker 2: he gets, like, him and Giannis both, right? There are
[20:42] Speaker 2: two mega stars in this league that can't stay healthy
[20:44] Speaker 2: because their style of play when they were at their peak,
[20:48] Speaker 2: they were better than everybody at doing it, right? All
[20:52] Speaker 2: that running around and stuff he's doing, it's caught up to.
[20:56] Speaker 1: Him, right?
[20:57] Speaker 2: Now it's time to maybe become a more traditional point
[21:01] Speaker 2: guard that can still shoot the laces off of the,
[21:04] Speaker 2: shoot the, you know what I'm saying? Like, play more
[21:07] Speaker 2: than a half court, get a better system around him,
[21:10] Speaker 2: a different system, so he ain't got to do all that, right?
[21:14] Speaker 2: You get him a post player, you get him a
[21:16] Speaker 2: dominant scorer that can iso, Like you said, maybe adding
[21:20] Speaker 2: Kevin Durant back. If they get KD, then I think
[21:23] Speaker 2: they'll have a pitch. But adding someone who can go
[21:25] Speaker 2: get their own bucket, Steph ain't got to do all
[21:28] Speaker 2: that running around anymore.
[21:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[21:30] Speaker 6: Well, they're going to have to go to the half-court
[21:31] Speaker 6: game because they don't have a pitch.
[21:33] Speaker 5: LeBron can be the point guard and leave Steph pot-spotted
[21:37] Speaker 5: and stuff.
[21:38] Speaker 2: But he's still got to do all that running around.
[21:39] Speaker 1: Then let's go guard him 94 feet then.
[21:41] Speaker 2: He's still got to do all that running around.
[21:42] Speaker 1: I'm picking LeBron up 94 feet at the age of 42.
[21:44] Speaker 1: He has to change the.
[21:45] Speaker 2: Way he plays. He's going to stay hurt.
[21:48] Speaker 1: Huh? Nobody in the league picked him. The San Antonio
[21:50] Speaker 1: Spurs will. The OKC Thunder will. In the playoff, yeah.
[21:53] Speaker 4: No, no.
[21:54] Speaker 1: Regular season and everything. Who's the point guard on the team, y'all?
[21:58] Speaker 2: On which team? Oh, Pazink. On which team?
[22:00] Speaker 1: Pazink, isn't it?
[22:01] Speaker 2: On Golden State?
[22:01] Speaker 1: Yes. Draymond. Draymond.
[22:02] Speaker 2: Who are we talking about?
[22:04] Speaker 1: Steph or LeBron being the point guard.
[22:07] Speaker 2: Draymond Green is the point guard. I'm saying Steph.
[22:09] Speaker 1: We can pressure him too.
[22:10] Speaker 2: At that age. What's the difference?
[22:11] Speaker 1: It won't change if LeBron comes to the team because
[22:13] Speaker 1: now we have LeBron James.
[22:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. It takes the ball out of Draymond's hands.
[22:17] Speaker 2: So what is Draymond's role then? Just defending?
[22:20] Speaker 1: It wouldn't take the ball out of Draymond's hand. He
[22:23] Speaker 1: would actually be able to negate the fact that you're
[22:25] Speaker 1: going to try to pick up LeBron James full court
[22:27] Speaker 1: and tire him out. No, let me get it. Y'all
[22:29] Speaker 1: go down there. Y'all do turn forward, throw it to LeBron.
[22:32] Speaker 1: Let's play off of LeBron. Steph, you move it out
[22:35] Speaker 1: the ball. It's a very easy calculated thing. I'm picking
[22:38] Speaker 1: up Draymond Green for that.
[22:39] Speaker 5: They're not playing 82 games.
[22:41] Speaker 1: I'm not asking them to play 82 games. That's the
[22:44] Speaker 1: only thing.
[22:45] Speaker 5: I would like that, but they're not playing 82.
[22:48] Speaker 1: I see it as a beautiful marriage.
[22:50] Speaker 2: Ain't nobody did it his whole career. Ain't nobody picked
[22:52] Speaker 2: him up full court his whole career.
[22:54] Speaker 1: He's young as well. He's young as well.
[22:57] Speaker 4: Rashad, yesterday you talked about how much Chris Paul meant
[23:03] Speaker 4: in that one year with the alien, right, the first year.
[23:11] Speaker 4: So hypothetically, and you mentioned it, or maybe Josiah mentioned it,
[23:17] Speaker 4: that the Spurs could be one destination. Hypothetically, that's the
[23:23] Speaker 4: best fit of all because if you could have LeBron
[23:27] Speaker 4: play the point for them for 30 minutes a night,
[23:30] Speaker 4: they would be much better to me because his greatest
[23:33] Speaker 4: strength is passing and distributing. He could average easy 10, 11,
[23:38] Speaker 4: 12 assists a night with that team. But it would
[23:43] Speaker 4: be a big, bold, gutsy move because you're bringing in
[23:46] Speaker 4: that aura. You're changing the chemistry.
[23:49] Speaker 1: Why would we do that? So it wouldn't even make sense.
[23:51] Speaker 1: It would slow the game down. I like that. It
[23:54] Speaker 1: would take away from what we do best. I like that.
[23:59] Speaker 2: I like that.
[24:00] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[24:01] Speaker 4: No, it's intriguing.
[24:02] Speaker 1: I like that. I hate it.
[24:03] Speaker 4: As a Thunder fan, that would scare the hell out
[24:05] Speaker 4: of me, man.
[24:06] Speaker 1: Why? I hate it.
[24:07] Speaker 2: Why?
[24:07] Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense.
[24:08] Speaker 2: It makes basketball sense.
[24:10] Speaker 1: What does it make sense? What does it make sense?
[24:12] Speaker 2: LeBron going to San Antonio. I think it makes sense
[24:16] Speaker 2: because you need a point guard. You need a bigger
[24:18] Speaker 2: guy on the floor.
[24:19] Speaker 1: You do.
[24:20] Speaker 2: You need a facilitator. You need a guy that's, one,
[24:22] Speaker 2: teach them dudes how to close games and situations. They're
[24:25] Speaker 2: not going to be able to do that. I like that.
[24:28] Speaker 1: Pass first player always made the right basketball play.
[24:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, I like. And teaching the young fella, the big
[24:34] Speaker 2: fella how to win. What you do with Fox then?
[24:36] Speaker 2: We've been.
[24:37] Speaker 1: What do you mean? Find a destination for him. You
[24:42] Speaker 1: going to move De'Aaron Fox for LeBron James? No, no, no.
[24:44] Speaker 1: You can keep De'Aaron, right? And then bring LeBron too?
[24:46] Speaker 1: You don't have to. Can you keep De'Aaron and still
[24:48] Speaker 1: bring LeBron? Keep who? Keep De'Aaron. Yeah. You can keep Fox.
[24:52] Speaker 4: I mean, if LeBron, he would just have to take.
[24:55] Speaker 4: The veteran minimum.
[24:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, you take the minimum, but I'll... To go run
[24:58] Speaker 1: it back and try to win it? Man. Do I
[25:01] Speaker 1: want to play with Victor or do I want to
[25:02] Speaker 1: play with Steph?
[25:04] Speaker 2: Either one.
[25:05] Speaker 1: I want to play with Victor. He's already said it.
[25:08] Speaker 1: Either one. I'm playing with Victor.
[25:10] Speaker 4: Do you want to win or not?
[25:12] Speaker 1: I want to play with Victor. I'll play with Victor.
[25:14] Speaker 1: Steve Kerr and Steph. Spurs have a ton of cap space. Obviously,
[25:18] Speaker 1: they got some extensions that they're going to have to
[25:19] Speaker 1: deal with. I'm playing with Victor.
[25:20] Speaker 2: He's the future, bro. They have money right now.
[25:22] Speaker 1: Y'all would kill LeBron if he went to the Spurs. Who?
[25:25] Speaker 1: If LeBron went to the Spurs, y'all would kill him.
[25:27] Speaker 1: If he go to go to state, they gonna kill him.
[25:28] Speaker 5: Wherever he go, they gonna kill him.
[25:30] Speaker 2: For me, it make more sense to go to join
[25:33] Speaker 2: them young dudes.
[25:33] Speaker 1: They gonna kill LeBron wherever he go.
[25:35] Speaker 2: Go join them young dudes than go join a bunch
[25:37] Speaker 2: of old dudes.
[25:38] Speaker 1: Let's do this one last ride.
[25:39] Speaker 2: Let's ride out.
[25:42] Speaker 1: On us in the sunset. Let's go to San Antonio
[25:44] Speaker 1: for pop. Me, Steve, and Steph, and Draymond. Draymond is
[25:50] Speaker 1: one of his close friends.
[25:51] Speaker 4: Let's ride right over the cliff.
[25:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, why not? Why not? What was the name?
[25:56] Speaker 2: Thelma and Louise? Thelma and Louise?
[26:00] Speaker 1: Put Bron at the floor. With Wimby. Why not?
[26:02] Speaker 2: Bring the ball up the floor. He's a facilitator.
[26:05] Speaker 1: Put Bron at the floor. Pick and roll with me.
[26:06] Speaker 1: Let's go.
[26:07] Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. I like it. San Antonio,
[26:11] Speaker 2: please don't do that shit.
[26:12] Speaker 1: Please. Yeah.
[26:15] Speaker 2: Candyman, please.
[26:16] Speaker 1: He don't like that one. He like Brian over there.
[26:19] Speaker 1: He's trying to bury Brian and go to state. Nah,
[26:21] Speaker 1: go to San Antonio.
[26:22] Speaker 2: Get him the best. Spurs get him the best opportunity
[26:25] Speaker 2: to win.
[26:26] Speaker 1: I like the Cavs, though.
[26:27] Speaker 2: Spurs get him the best opportunity to win.
[26:29] Speaker 1: He'll switch teams, man.
[26:30] Speaker 2: The Lakers will be my team. He'll switch teams.
[26:32] Speaker 1: Just move away from the Lakers so I can go
[26:34] Speaker 1: back to my team.
[26:34] Speaker 2: I like him in the Spurs. I like the Cavs. Because,
[26:35] Speaker 2: you know, I was saying Aaron Gordon, somebody that can space.
[26:37] Speaker 4: A four.
[26:38] Speaker 1: You said a four.
[26:38] Speaker 2: I said a four. So I think that. I like
[26:42] Speaker 2: that over-wagon, like I said yesterday.
[26:46] Speaker 3: We got Spurs, but let's expand it out. So, Bron
[26:48] Speaker 3: made nearly $ 53 million last season. Obviously, the reports are
[26:51] Speaker 3: he isn't interested in taking a pay cut. Now, what
[26:53] Speaker 3: you're interested in and what's going to happen are two
[26:55] Speaker 3: different things. He may be deserving of a max-level contract,
[26:58] Speaker 3: given his numbers and what he brings to a franchise.
[26:59] Speaker 3: Reality is, given the cap restrictions around the league, the
[27:03] Speaker 3: bread just really isn't out there like that. So, if
[27:05] Speaker 3: Bron does decide to take a pay cut to prioritize ring-chasing,
[27:08] Speaker 3: As he rides off in the sunset. You got to
[27:10] Speaker 3: feel like Spurs. Any other teams you feel like could
[27:12] Speaker 3: be in that mix?
[27:13] Speaker 1: Cavs.
[27:15] Speaker 2: I'm not rolling with the Cavs.
[27:18] Speaker 1: I like the Cavs.
[27:19] Speaker 2: We did Cleveland already twice. So do you with both
[27:23] Speaker 2: Big Hill or Mobley? I don't know. Now, there are
[27:26] Speaker 2: moves to be made.
[27:27] Speaker 3: I think that's what's going to be intriguing about the
[27:29] Speaker 3: whole Giannis component, too, which we'll talk about later in
[27:31] Speaker 3: the show.
[27:32] Speaker 1: I like the Cavs and Spurs. You don't like Minnesota? No.
[27:37] Speaker 2: They need that. They need a point guard. Who that?
[27:41] Speaker 1: They need a point guard. Like somebody that could help Ant-Man. No.
[27:48] Speaker 2: That's your guy.
[27:49] Speaker 1: Nick trying to get him some help at all costs.
[27:51] Speaker 5: Yeah, I need Ant in the finals, man.
[27:54] Speaker 2: Minnesota.
[27:56] Speaker 1: Think about it. They got all them defenders that can help.
[27:59] Speaker 2: Him in the backs.
[28:00] Speaker 1: He takes away from every team.
[28:03] Speaker 2: Which Bron are you getting, though? Third option Bron? He
[28:06] Speaker 2: adds to the spurs. He adds to the spurs.
[28:08] Speaker 1: He adds to the spurs and the Cavs. I'm telling you,
[28:12] Speaker 1: put him right up in there.
[28:13] Speaker 2: No teams on the East, unless he go back to Miami.
[28:17] Speaker 2: Hell no. I'm going to say, unless that's the move,
[28:18] Speaker 2: go back to Miami with Pat and Bam and Tyler.
[28:22] Speaker 2: If they end up getting... If they end up getting
[28:24] Speaker 2: Giannis or.
[28:25] Speaker 1: Something like that. Bronco could fit anywhere, though. He said
[28:28] Speaker 1: he could play anywhere. He could fit anywhere. Bronco could fit.
[28:32] Speaker 1: Why would I go down to San Antonio? I played
[28:36] Speaker 1: at Cleveland. If it's about winning, then that's the move.
[28:39] Speaker 2: If it was about winning, just go to New York.
[28:41] Speaker 2: Could he go to Houston? That's not an option.
[28:43] Speaker 1: San Antonio, one of the few spots I feel like
[28:45] Speaker 1: he wouldn't get killed because they.
[28:46] Speaker 3: Got gentlemen swept in the finals.
[28:49] Speaker 1: You go back to the finals, you're gentlemen swept again, eh?
[28:51] Speaker 2: No, but they gave him this opportunity to win, I believe, man.
[28:55] Speaker 2: They needed me.
[28:56] Speaker 1: Them young boys are big.
[28:57] Speaker 2: Them young dogs are big. Listen, to play with LeBron?
[28:59] Speaker 1: It'd be crazy.
[29:01] Speaker 2: To have the opportunity to play with him, dog, through
[29:03] Speaker 2: a wall.
[29:03] Speaker 1: He could hide on defense, too. He could.
[29:06] Speaker 2: Who he got to guard these days?
[29:08] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[29:09] Speaker 4: At the four.
[29:11] Speaker 1: And you could just throw lobs and shit.
[29:13] Speaker 2: You got him back there. You got Bigfella back there. Listen,
[29:17] Speaker 2: I like it.
[29:19] Speaker 4: So can I address this money situation with LeBron? This
[29:24] Speaker 4: has always intrigued me. So obviously he's, can we say
[29:30] Speaker 4: a billionaire? Is that fair to say?
[29:31] Speaker 1: I think he is.
[29:33] Speaker 4: I don't know that for a fact, but can he
[29:37] Speaker 4: not make as many commercials as he wants to make?
[29:40] Speaker 4: so his earning power off the floor is extraordinary still
[29:44] Speaker 4: and it will be going forward so I look at
[29:49] Speaker 4: what Tom Brady did late in his or really middle
[29:52] Speaker 4: of his career and Tim Duncan did late in their
[29:54] Speaker 4: careers they just said we'll take less to win championships
[29:58] Speaker 4: because Brady is in his last four years in New England,
[30:03] Speaker 4: he's taken, like, embarrassing money from the Patriots to win
[30:08] Speaker 4: Super Bowls. He made, this is 2016, 17, and 18,
[30:11] Speaker 4: he made $ 15 million to play quarterback for a team
[30:14] Speaker 4: that played in three Super Bowls in those years and
[30:18] Speaker 4: won two of them. And that obviously allowed Belichick to
[30:22] Speaker 4: fill out the roster. especially like special teamers. You can
[30:26] Speaker 4: go get some players that you couldn't get if he
[30:29] Speaker 4: was making $ 40 million. And even when he went to
[30:33] Speaker 4: Tampa that first year, he took $ 28 million, which was
[30:36] Speaker 4: way below market value as a free agent. And you
[30:39] Speaker 4: know what happened in the first year. He turns them
[30:41] Speaker 4: around from seven to nine, and they go win the
[30:44] Speaker 4: Super Bowl. And they were able to spend more for
[30:49] Speaker 4: his supporting cast. And then Tim Duncan, down the stretch
[30:52] Speaker 4: of his career... 2013, 14, 15, he took 10, 10,
[30:57] Speaker 4: and 6 million. And obviously, he was a first ballot
[31:04] Speaker 4: slam dunk Hall of Famer at that point. And what
[31:07] Speaker 4: happened in 13, 14, they should have won it in 13,
[31:12] Speaker 4: but Ray Allen stopped that, and they did win it
[31:15] Speaker 4: in 14, because remember 14? Patty Mills and company, they're
[31:20] Speaker 4: just coming off the bench, and they're paying a lot
[31:22] Speaker 4: of bench players a lot of money to give Tim
[31:25] Speaker 4: Duncan the better supporting cast to the Heat in the finals,
[31:30] Speaker 4: and they won by a record margin in the finals
[31:34] Speaker 4: in five games. Okay, so those are two great players
[31:37] Speaker 4: who just said, I'll sacrifice the cash for the rings,
[31:42] Speaker 4: and I'll get the cash elsewhere, especially Brady. Okay, so
[31:46] Speaker 4: I look at LeBron. He's now 15. from the Lakers
[31:48] Speaker 4: made $ 358 million. It's a lot of money, and it
[31:52] Speaker 4: went up every single year in a row. Eight years,
[31:55] Speaker 4: started at 36 million. Last year, it went all the
[31:57] Speaker 4: way up to 53 million. Okay, so this is just me,
[32:02] Speaker 4: and I haven't heard this from him or from Rich
[32:04] Speaker 4: or Maverick or Randy or any of those guys, but
[32:08] Speaker 4: it just feels like in LeBron's heart of hearts, he
[32:13] Speaker 4: just wants to live in Hollywood, you know, like this,
[32:15] Speaker 4: this is his home and he's got two homes here,
[32:18] Speaker 4: two houses here. And he loves golf now. And you
[32:22] Speaker 4: can obviously play year round here. Not that you couldn't,
[32:24] Speaker 4: if you joined Steph, you could play up there too,
[32:26] Speaker 4: but still this is his home base. He's segwaying into
[32:30] Speaker 4: a Hollywood second life. And, and he just wants to
[32:34] Speaker 4: finish here. I think he loves going to those games and,
[32:39] Speaker 4: and just being a Los Angeles Laker. It's just who
[32:41] Speaker 4: he is. I I've, I always said he was born
[32:44] Speaker 4: to be a Laker. And because of that, it just
[32:48] Speaker 4: seems like, why wouldn't he just go to them and
[32:50] Speaker 4: just say, look, I've made my money. I will continue
[32:53] Speaker 4: to make it off the floor. I'll take the veteran minimum.
[32:57] Speaker 4: It's $ 3 million.
[32:58] Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you do.
[32:58] Speaker 4: That just to finish with the Lakers for a couple
[33:01] Speaker 4: of years? I don't understand why you wouldn't do that
[33:05] Speaker 4: and give Palenka a chance to just revamp it. then
[33:09] Speaker 4: you could keep Austin Reeves for– it may take the
[33:12] Speaker 4: max to keep him. But I just never understood– I
[33:17] Speaker 4: think LeBron would win a lot of, like, social media
[33:22] Speaker 4: points if he took far less money to stay in L.A.
[33:25] Speaker 4: It'd be like he finally made a sacrifice because– okay,
[33:30] Speaker 4: so you're going to demand another $ 50 million from the
[33:32] Speaker 4: Lakers for– To what end? Because if you do that,
[33:35] Speaker 4: then they definitely can't win if they're going to pay
[33:38] Speaker 4: you $ 50 million. And they won't pay you because they've
[33:40] Speaker 4: made it clear to you, you know, he was miffed
[33:43] Speaker 4: that they wouldn't give him an extension before last season.
[33:46] Speaker 4: And I thought he was pouting when he said he
[33:48] Speaker 4: had sciatica and missed the first 20 games. I thought
[33:50] Speaker 4: he just said, screw you, I'll just sit for a while.
[33:54] Speaker 2: He is old, Skip.
[33:56] Speaker 1: You know the sciaticus.
[33:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[33:59] Speaker 1: What about going to the Clippers with your people? Okay, well.
[34:03] Speaker 4: I just don't think he's a clipper. You know, like
[34:05] Speaker 4: he doesn't see himself as a clipper.
[34:06] Speaker 5: They got a good team over there. They got a
[34:08] Speaker 5: number four pick. You got Kawhi, him and Kawhi.
[34:13] Speaker 2: Got Darius Garland.
[34:14] Speaker 1: Got Darius Garland. But Skip, to your point about taking
[34:18] Speaker 1: that minimum.
[34:20] Speaker 4: Or just less, just way less.
[34:21] Speaker 2: I ain't saying the better minimum, but I think he
[34:24] Speaker 2: should take it if he wants to win. I agree.
[34:26] Speaker 3: I see both sides, but when LeBron came to Lakers 2018,
[34:29] Speaker 3: that franchise was valued at $ 3.
[34:30] Speaker 2: 3 billion. $ 3 billion. Franchise sold recently for $ 10. 1 billion.
[34:34] Speaker 1: What they got to do with it?
[34:36] Speaker 2: It's still a salary cap.
[34:38] Speaker 1: So that means he came in. But if they sold for.
[34:41] Speaker 2: That, it's still a salary cap.
[34:43] Speaker 3: But if I've come in and I've made this franchise.
[34:45] Speaker 1: I was about to say. I've played a large part
[34:46] Speaker 1: in making this franchise worth $ 10 billion. That franchise was over.
[34:49] Speaker 1: I at least see the game ball when I send
[34:50] Speaker 1: the wins. It's over.
[34:52] Speaker 2: That is true, yes. He has definitely helped boost the franchise.
[34:57] Speaker 2: value of the Lakers franchise.
[34:59] Speaker 1: Lakers paid people on the way out. They did that
[35:01] Speaker 1: with Kobe, too.
[35:02] Speaker 2: But if he's trying to win another ring, both things
[35:07] Speaker 2: can't be true right now. That's just what the books are.
[35:12] Speaker 2: That's the facts of it. The books are, if they
[35:15] Speaker 2: trying to win, if LeBron and the Lakers, if he
[35:19] Speaker 2: was to come back to the Lakers, right, and get
[35:22] Speaker 2: top dollar, that handicaps the rest of the roster. So
[35:27] Speaker 2: they're in a worse place than they was last year.
[35:31] Speaker 2: Because now you can't bring Austin back.
[35:33] Speaker 4: You can't.
[35:34] Speaker 2: Now you can't bring Austin back.
[35:36] Speaker 1: Austin don't need $ 250, 000. He's going to ask for it.
[35:38] Speaker 1: We're going to get somebody else. He ain't getting that, though.
[35:42] Speaker 4: I think Brooklyn might offer it.
[35:43] Speaker 1: Yo, he going to get that close to it. I'm
[35:46] Speaker 1: telling you, Nick. We'll just get somebody else then if
[35:48] Speaker 1: Austin can't. Not for what money, Nick. I mean, Brandon,
[35:51] Speaker 1: you got to pay people. Right, right.
[35:52] Speaker 6: So whatever he was asking for, they still got some money.
[35:56] Speaker 2: But not if they give Bron the max.
[36:00] Speaker 1: If they give Bron 53, so they'll have no money.
[36:01] Speaker 1: They'd be the dumbest franchise in history. If you give
[36:05] Speaker 1: Bron the match, why would you do that?
[36:08] Speaker 2: Because Luka is still there.
[36:09] Speaker 1: So they can't get nobody else if they give Bron
[36:11] Speaker 1: the match?
[36:11] Speaker 2: Because Luka is the future, right? So then you won't
[36:13] Speaker 2: be able to pay Luka because Luka's coming up.
[36:15] Speaker 1: They got a ton of cap space.
[36:20] Speaker 3: They got like 50, 60 million cap space, but now
[36:22] Speaker 3: if you sign Austin Reed to that extension... What that
[36:24] Speaker 3: number is going to be like if it's in the 40,
[36:25] Speaker 3: 50 million range now. You got like 25 million potentially
[36:29] Speaker 3: to play with LeBron. You also got to fill out
[36:31] Speaker 3: the rest of that roster.
[36:31] Speaker 1: I'm going Curry or Kawhi. The divorce is over. The
[36:34] Speaker 1: papers have been sent to him.
[36:35] Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, B?
[36:37] Speaker 1: It's a divorce.
[36:38] Speaker 2: They can.
[36:38] Speaker 1: Yeah. He takes less money. He's a side chick. He's
[36:42] Speaker 1: literally the side chick if he takes less money. LeBron
[36:45] Speaker 1: James has never been the side chick. He's always been
[36:48] Speaker 1: the main bitch. He's always been the main. He's always
[36:51] Speaker 1: going to be the main. He's always going to be
[36:52] Speaker 1: the main chick.
[36:53] Speaker 2: No matter what.
[36:54] Speaker 1: Take less money to go play with a wife you've
[36:57] Speaker 1: been with for eight years.
[36:59] Speaker 2: You had one good year.
[37:01] Speaker 1: Had one good year. We had, it was the best
[37:03] Speaker 1: year and it was during the time when the world
[37:05] Speaker 1: was going through the most craziest shit in the whole universe.
[37:09] Speaker 2: When we needed it the most.
[37:10] Speaker 1: When we needed it the most. So ever since then,
[37:12] Speaker 1: we've been, it's been, I don't talk when we walk
[37:14] Speaker 1: into the room. The Muhammad Ali of this era. You
[37:16] Speaker 1: don't cook when I come home.
[37:18] Speaker 4: By the way, to your point, since that Mickey Mouse championship,
[37:22] Speaker 4: if you will.
[37:23] Speaker 2: I will not skip it.
[37:24] Speaker 1: Okay. No, we ain't doing that.
[37:25] Speaker 4: Since that championship in that bubble. LeBron James as a
[37:29] Speaker 4: Laker is 16-26 in playoff games, 16-26, and that is
[37:34] Speaker 4: the worst winning percentage of any player in the league
[37:38] Speaker 4: in the post. So they've been in the post, but
[37:41] Speaker 4: since then, overall in his career, they've missed the playoffs twice,
[37:45] Speaker 4: they've been swept twice, and they got gentlemen swept twice.
[37:48] Speaker 4: So except for that 20-20– You say the value of
[37:55] Speaker 4: the franchise has just mushroomed, you know, just exploded. And
[37:59] Speaker 4: I got it because of his aura. And he is still,
[38:04] Speaker 4: to me, still the biggest draw in the game. He
[38:05] Speaker 4: just is.
[38:06] Speaker 1: They lost to Denver.
[38:11] Speaker 6: He also broke Kareem's record in that jersey.
[38:15] Speaker 1: They also got back to the Western Conference Finals.
[38:17] Speaker 6: Yeah, they got, but they, before he got there, If
[38:21] Speaker 6: you go look at those Laker teams before that, go
[38:24] Speaker 6: look at them teams with Kobe Bryant on there, 17
[38:28] Speaker 6: and 53, 21 and whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
[38:31] Speaker 6: your era, yeah, yeah, your time when you were there. Yes,
[38:34] Speaker 6: so thank God LeBron came. No, thank God LeBron came
[38:37] Speaker 6: after that. Two years after that, thank God. Because if not,
[38:41] Speaker 6: the Lakers' value would have been trashed.
[38:42] Speaker 1: He said the same thing about the Miami Heat. What
[38:44] Speaker 1: was the Miami Heat before LeBron got there?
[38:46] Speaker 6: They were still who they were. Miami Heat was still
[38:48] Speaker 6: Miami Heat. Dwyane Wade was still over there. They were
[38:50] Speaker 6: still Miami Heat. They were still the Heat, though.
[38:53] Speaker 1: Look at your phone and check the stats. They were
[38:54] Speaker 1: still the Heat, though, is what I'm saying. They were
[38:57] Speaker 1: the worst. Dwyane Wade. Were they still making the playoffs?
[39:00] Speaker 1: Were they still making the playoffs? They was in the draft.
[39:02] Speaker 1: Were they still making the playoffs? Cleveland before LeBron went back.
[39:05] Speaker 1: What was Cleveland before LeBron went back? The Lakers was
[39:08] Speaker 1: in the— Listen, hold on. four straight number one pick
[39:11] Speaker 1: yeah they were not that good LeBron came back restored
[39:14] Speaker 1: order he did the same thing with the Lakers congratulations
[39:18] Speaker 1: listen eight years later it's time to go.
[39:20] Speaker 4: Bro okay but to your wife analogy your wife of
[39:25] Speaker 4: eight years lives in your house in Los Angeles California
[39:30] Speaker 4: and you want to stay in Los Angeles, even though
[39:32] Speaker 4: you don't love that wife and she doesn't love you either.
[39:35] Speaker 1: That's why you got to go to, yeah, that's only
[39:37] Speaker 1: a 45-minute flight. How far down the street? It's a
[39:39] Speaker 1: little helicopter ride. It's a helicopter. Ronnie, you can stay here.
[39:43] Speaker 1: You can do your thing. Go, go. Go ahead down
[39:47] Speaker 1: there and see what you want to do, man. We cool.
[39:49] Speaker 2: With what money, though? So let's get to the minimum.
[39:52] Speaker 1: Y'all talking about he taking minimum for LA. He can
[39:55] Speaker 1: take minimum for the fucking Warriors.
[39:57] Speaker 4: I think he would have to.
[39:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, give him 20. I'll give him 20 if I'm
[40:00] Speaker 1: fucking the Warriors.
[40:01] Speaker 3: They can give him the non-taxpayer MLEs would be like
[40:04] Speaker 3: a two-year $ 30 million deal.
[40:05] Speaker 1: 15? 15 a year. Man, come on, man. Come on, man.
[40:10] Speaker 1: To figure it out with the Warriors? You're going to
[40:13] Speaker 1: play with the old heads? Listen, boy, you got value
[40:16] Speaker 1: for $ 10 million with my name being here?
[40:18] Speaker 7: I don't know what the evaluation is. It's a salary cap.
[40:22] Speaker 7: I know, but it happened because of me, though. The
[40:25] Speaker 7: value went up because I put that jersey on. So
[40:28] Speaker 7: that's what it is. That's just what it.
[40:30] Speaker 1: Is, though. That valuation went up because Luka Doncic came
[40:34] Speaker 1: to the Lakers, bro. That's a big thing. The valuation
[40:36] Speaker 1: didn't go to $ 10 billion before Luka got there.
[40:38] Speaker 2: You trying to win?
[40:42] Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm just saying I want.
[40:46] Speaker 2: It all to your point that you've been harping on
[40:48] Speaker 2: lately is by legacy and being.
[40:50] Speaker 1: The legacy is already set. You can't move them no more.
[40:52] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, though.
[40:53] Speaker 6: But like you can't like we can't we can't sit
[40:56] Speaker 6: here and say, oh, well, now he's if he if
[40:57] Speaker 6: he take the money.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Now he's now he's not top 10 anymore. It's like
[41:00] Speaker 1: it's already it's already it's already set.
[41:03] Speaker 2: About winning if it's about winning.
[41:04] Speaker 6: It's every I've already I've been winning since I set
[41:06] Speaker 6: foot in the NBA I've already won now I'm just
[41:08] Speaker 6: I'm 42 years old I'm 41 oh so so now
[41:11] Speaker 6: so now a 41 year old 42 so he needs
[41:14] Speaker 6: a championship.
[41:14] Speaker 1: I'm just saying if that's what he's about I know but.
[41:17] Speaker 6: I'm saying but he so if he doesn't get another
[41:19] Speaker 6: one it's a it's.
[41:20] Speaker 1: A wow it's a it's a damn no but.
[41:22] Speaker 2: Why not help yourself why not help yourself put if
[41:26] Speaker 2: you if the goal if your goal before you step
[41:29] Speaker 2: away from this game is to win another one right
[41:32] Speaker 2: okay Why not put yourself in the best situation possible?
[41:37] Speaker 1: Okay, and what's that? Why not take a pay cut, Brandon? Okay,
[41:42] Speaker 1: so what if I go to the Spurs and we
[41:43] Speaker 1: don't win?
[41:44] Speaker 2: But you put yourself in the best situation possible.
[41:46] Speaker 1: So I took a pay cut and we went there
[41:47] Speaker 1: and we didn't win.
[41:48] Speaker 2: And you can go anywhere and not win it.
[41:50] Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm taking a pay cut.
[41:54] Speaker 2: If it is important, I'm not saying, I don't know
[41:57] Speaker 2: if that's his goal or not. I don't know is
[42:00] Speaker 2: what I'm saying. If it is... Staying with the Lakers
[42:04] Speaker 2: is not the best move if the max is what
[42:07] Speaker 2: it is, is what I'm saying, because then you're handicapped.
[42:11] Speaker 2: If you go somewhere else and you ask for the max,
[42:13] Speaker 2: they're handicapped. It don't matter where you go and you
[42:16] Speaker 2: ask for the max, it's going to handicap a team.
[42:20] Speaker 2: If you are trying to win, that winning is going
[42:26] Speaker 2: to come with a pay cut, is what we're saying.
[42:29] Speaker 1: But I mean, but either way. Right.
[42:33] Speaker 6: So, I mean, and we didn't have we didn't have
[42:36] Speaker 6: Luca this year in the playoffs either. So to to that,
[42:39] Speaker 6: it's like, I mean, I was the third option with
[42:41] Speaker 6: with A.R.
[42:42] Speaker 2: If A.R.
[42:42] Speaker 6: Don't come back, I go back to the number two option.
[42:45] Speaker 6: I mean, we still have we can still go sign
[42:46] Speaker 6: something else, too. So why am I who said that's
[42:48] Speaker 6: not winning basketball?
[42:49] Speaker 2: Like I'm talking about facts. Luca didn't play.
[42:52] Speaker 4: Right.
[42:52] Speaker 6: So if Luka didn't play, why am I sitting here
[42:55] Speaker 6: thinking I got to take a pay cut because Luka,
[42:57] Speaker 6: our best.
[42:58] Speaker 1: Player, didn't play? Because the reason you didn't take a
[43:00] Speaker 1: pay cut prior to and the reason you didn't have
[43:03] Speaker 1: no help while Luka was down is because you were
[43:05] Speaker 1: getting paid $ 50 million we could have used to get
[43:07] Speaker 1: you better players. Luka was down. We could have got
[43:09] Speaker 1: you better players to play with while Luka was down.
[43:11] Speaker 1: Luka was down. We were winning. Did you just hear
[43:13] Speaker 1: what I said? If Luka is down and you don't
[43:15] Speaker 1: take $ 50 million, we use that money to get better
[43:19] Speaker 1: players to help you win while Luka's down.
[43:22] Speaker 2: That's fair.
[43:22] Speaker 1: But if I'm coming off a second-team All-NBA selection, I understand.
[43:26] Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. What do you mean? This
[43:28] Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. I'm not the problem. Why am
[43:31] Speaker 1: I the problem?
[43:32] Speaker 2: I understand why he wouldn't take a pay cut.
[43:34] Speaker 1: I get it. A.R. 's not better than... Okay, your
[43:36] Speaker 1: contract's up, Nick, and you say, I'm going to opt
[43:39] Speaker 1: in and take this money so you can't use it
[43:41] Speaker 1: to get better players. What do you mean, why wouldn't
[43:57] Speaker 1: I take a pay cut? He just explained other players
[43:59] Speaker 1: who's done it, who were really great, took pay cuts
[44:03] Speaker 1: so that their team could build championship teams. Is AR
[44:06] Speaker 1: better than Bron right now? Did Kobe take a pay cut? Yes, Kobe.
[44:09] Speaker 6: AR's not even better than Ron right now, so why
[44:11] Speaker 6: am I taking a pay cut to somebody like him?
[44:13] Speaker 1: Please tell this man.
[44:14] Speaker 2: The two for 48, I think. Come on, man.
[44:17] Speaker 1: Hey, come on, man. Why do you always bring up Kobe?
[44:20] Speaker 1: Why do we always got to bring up Kobe? This
[44:21] Speaker 1: ain't got nothing to do with Kobe, man. Because he
[44:23] Speaker 1: took a pay cut, so you just didn't make no
[44:26] Speaker 1: sense about it. Just brought it up for no reason.
[44:28] Speaker 1: The thing is, we talk about Tom Brady. Tom Brady
[44:31] Speaker 1: took a pay cut. Okay, congratulations. He won championships. He
[44:37] Speaker 1: wasn't one for eight in the last eight years.
[44:41] Speaker 2: That's Tom. I don't know, like I said.
[44:44] Speaker 1: Congratulations to Tom Brady.
[44:45] Speaker 6: That's San Antonio Spurs.
[44:48] Speaker 1: They got pop over there.
[44:49] Speaker 2: Like I was saying, I understand why he wouldn't take
[44:53] Speaker 2: a pay cut.
[44:53] Speaker 6: I get it why he don't want to.
[44:56] Speaker 1: I'm not taking a pay cut with somebody I'm better than.
[44:58] Speaker 2: For this franchise, I understand why he would be reluctant.
[45:02] Speaker 2: I get it.
[45:03] Speaker 1: I do.
[45:05] Speaker 2: And at the same time, I know that man is
[45:07] Speaker 2: competitive and I think he want to win. No matter
[45:11] Speaker 2: his age, I think he want to win at all costs.
[45:17] Speaker 1: For sure.
[45:18] Speaker 2: Both things right now can't exist with this franchise is
[45:22] Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Tell him, yeah, I agree. Like, hey,
[45:26] Speaker 2: I've been here eight years. I'm him. I've put asses
[45:30] Speaker 2: in these seats consistently for the last eight years. I
[45:33] Speaker 2: helped put a banner up there. Yeah, I want all
[45:35] Speaker 2: what's coming to me. I get that. Absolutely. Yeah, give
[45:40] Speaker 2: me all mine.
[45:43] Speaker 1: As a billionaire athlete.
[45:45] Speaker 2: As a winner?
[45:47] Speaker 1: As a billionaire athlete, do I value money over winning?
[45:51] Speaker 1: It's not even about that. It is. I got both.
[45:55] Speaker 2: I have both.
[45:56] Speaker 1: I got money and champion. Clearly, it's about what do
[45:58] Speaker 1: you value. If you're a billionaire and you got plenty
[46:03] Speaker 1: of money, and you've won a championship in the last
[46:06] Speaker 1: eight years and you want to be called the GOAT,
[46:09] Speaker 1: I would assume that you value championships over money because
[46:13] Speaker 1: we are judging you. I value both. We are judging
[46:17] Speaker 1: you on your winning. He values both.
[46:19] Speaker 4: Which do you prioritize?
[46:21] Speaker 1: Kobe, two-year, $ 48.
[46:22] Speaker 3: 5 million, so he sacrificed around $ 7- 8 million per year
[46:25] Speaker 3: in those two years versus what he could have taken.
[46:27] Speaker 2: Skip, what was your question, Skip?
[46:30] Speaker 4: Brandon keeps saying both, but at some point you have
[46:33] Speaker 4: to prioritize one over the other. In your age 42 year,
[46:38] Speaker 4: you have to say, okay, what matters the most? You
[46:40] Speaker 4: can say one and 1A. What is 1A? What is,
[46:45] Speaker 4: it has to be, winning has to be one and
[46:48] Speaker 4: money has to be 1A. You value it and your
[46:51] Speaker 4: pride and your principle are on the line and you
[46:53] Speaker 4: want to show people I'm worth this much money. And
[46:56] Speaker 4: I appreciate that and I respect that because that's what
[46:58] Speaker 4: he's always said.
[46:59] Speaker 1: Yep.
[47:00] Speaker 4: For the sake of the Players Association and all the
[47:02] Speaker 4: other players, I want to show people I'm worth $ 53
[47:05] Speaker 4: million because in box office and draw and all, well,
[47:09] Speaker 4: for that matter, what did he average last year? 21, 6,
[47:11] Speaker 4: and 7. He measured up. At 40, 41.
[47:14] Speaker 1: I don't even.
[47:16] Speaker 4: Care how old he is. He just measured up. He
[47:18] Speaker 4: showed you, oh, I did that. And in the playoffs,
[47:20] Speaker 4: he was 23, 7, and 7. That's worth that kind
[47:24] Speaker 4: of money. So he backed it up. But at some point,
[47:28] Speaker 4: if winning is... even by 1% your priority at age 42,
[47:33] Speaker 4: you're just going to have to take less money to
[47:38] Speaker 4: maximize your chances of winning around you with your quote-unquote
[47:42] Speaker 4: supporting cast, right?
[47:44] Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
[47:45] Speaker 2: You're not winning another.
[47:46] Speaker 1: You're not winning another. See, but that's what I'm saying.
[47:48] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[47:49] Speaker 1: You're not winning another.
[47:54] Speaker 2: Then what?
[47:55] Speaker 6: So you have respect for him for taking the pay
[47:56] Speaker 6: cut and trying to go win a championship?
[47:58] Speaker 1: But he still didn't do it? So if he did that,
[48:00] Speaker 1: you'll have way more respect for what he did then?
[48:02] Speaker 1: Some will.
[48:02] Speaker 6: But some people who have been questioning his dedication to winning?
[48:14] Speaker 2: That will change their perspective.
[48:16] Speaker 1: Would that change your perspective of LeBron?
[48:19] Speaker 4: Yes, if he took $ 3 million to play.
[48:21] Speaker 1: It says so much about the GM being able to
[48:26] Speaker 1: do a good job to really go build around him.
[48:29] Speaker 1: We got money to go get. LeBron, come in here
[48:32] Speaker 1: and tell us what you want. Thank you. For giving
[48:34] Speaker 1: us this opportunity to be. He took the pay cut
[48:37] Speaker 1: with Miami.
[48:38] Speaker 2: He created. He took the pay.
[48:40] Speaker 1: Cut with Miami, didn't he not?
[48:42] Speaker 4: He took the pay cut with Miami.
[48:44] Speaker 1: And y'all still say something about that. What do we
[48:47] Speaker 1: say about that? Do I need to take another pay
[48:49] Speaker 1: cut now? What do we say? You're a billionaire.
[48:52] Speaker 6: I can't help that I can make all that money
[48:54] Speaker 6: off the court.
[48:54] Speaker 2: That ain't my fault.
[48:55] Speaker 1: Win a championship, man. All that. I did win a championship.
[48:58] Speaker 1: I did win a championship. Win another one, man. Damn,
[49:00] Speaker 1: why he got to do it at 22? Because he
[49:01] Speaker 1: want to be the GOAT. Because he want to be
[49:03] Speaker 1: the GOAT. Your guy can do it today. Who is
[49:04] Speaker 1: my guy? Who is my GOAT? He can do it
[49:06] Speaker 1: at 22? Why your guy didn't win a championship?
[49:08] Speaker 6: You always got lit for somebody at 41.
[49:10] Speaker 1: 42 years old. I don't give a fuck about none
[49:12] Speaker 1: of that shit, man. We're in a championship. You ain't
[49:15] Speaker 1: gonna fuck about what you're talking about. You're talking about
[49:18] Speaker 1: you bringing up Wimby in comparison to LeBron. Yes, yes, yes.
[49:21] Speaker 1: That's tired. I'm tired. It's time that you're a hater.
[49:26] Speaker 1: It's time that you're a hater. You gotta embrace that.
[49:28] Speaker 1: That's not nothing new. I've been a fucking hater since
[49:30] Speaker 1: I was born, nigga. You gotta get used to it.
[49:33] Speaker 1: Get used to that shit.
[49:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
[49:34] Speaker 1: Sit on the couch with a hater, man. Embrace that shit.
[49:40] Speaker 1: Y'all niggas gon' go. Who you gon' motherfuckin' phase? I
[49:42] Speaker 1: ain't no blazer, goddamn. I'm a hater.
[49:44] Speaker 2: We know.
[49:45] Speaker 1: Most diabolical hater. Hate, hate, hate. This is the hater's ball. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
[49:52] Speaker 1: Who you mean? Let me hear a motherfucker over there
[49:54] Speaker 1: say his motherfuckin' thing again, motherfucker. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
[49:58] Speaker 1: You don't like it, motherfucker? Leave the motherfuckin' premises. Uh-oh.
[50:02] Speaker 1: You don't like it? Leave the motherfuckin' premises. You don't
[50:06] Speaker 1: like haters? Oh, shit. Shit. You got no haters. You
[50:13] Speaker 1: ain't popping. Say you take a pay cut. Give another
[50:15] Speaker 1: shout out to somebody. Give another shout out. Shout out
[50:18] Speaker 1: to Underdog. Shout out to Worldwide West. Give another shout out.
[50:22] Speaker 1: Shout out to Rich Paul. Say you take a pay cut.
[50:25] Speaker 5: Is there anywhere in the contract If he goes to
[50:27] Speaker 5: a new team, he can negotiate the jersey sales.
[50:30] Speaker 1: You know they're going to sell out. So, Swaggy, just
[50:32] Speaker 1: to make this point without getting too.
[50:33] Speaker 2: Deep into it.
[50:34] Speaker 1: This is not football. Yeah, that's what I said. That
[50:36] Speaker 1: was Deion Sanderson.
[50:37] Speaker 2: This is not football.
[50:37] Speaker 3: You have players that have taken pay cuts before that
[50:40] Speaker 3: have gotten other shit under the table.
[50:42] Speaker 1: Like his jersey sale, anywhere he goes, is going to sell.
[50:45] Speaker 1: It's going to be number one jersey.
[50:46] Speaker 3: It is.
[50:47] Speaker 1: Don't bring it up and not. Is that right?
[50:49] Speaker 2: Gavin Booker, New Jersey number one.
[50:50] Speaker 3: We got some investments for you, big dog.
[50:52] Speaker 2: Take this pay cut. We got these investments. You ever
[50:55] Speaker 2: heard of Uber?
[50:55] Speaker 1: Okay. You ever heard of Uber? Why don't you put
[50:58] Speaker 1: a little bread into it? Like, you know, anywhere he go,
[51:01] Speaker 1: his jersey sale gonna go crazy. New LeBron jersey, anywhere
[51:05] Speaker 1: it's gonna go crazy. That's not part of it. That'd
[51:07] Speaker 1: be crazy. That'd be number one. Anywhere.
[51:10] Speaker 2: Any new LeBron James jersey is going to be number one.
[51:13] Speaker 1: You can go to Portland. You can go to Portland.
[51:16] Speaker 2: That shit going to be number one. Because it's a
[51:18] Speaker 2: new jersey. Trust me. It's a new jersey. It's a
[51:19] Speaker 2: new number. It's a new jersey. It's a new look.
[51:22] Speaker 2: It's going to sell. Because it has.
[51:23] Speaker 1: James on the back of it.
[51:25] Speaker 2: That's like Carmelone.
[51:26] Speaker 1: Lakers all the way. That's James on the back of it.
[51:29] Speaker 1: That's like Carmelone Lakers.
[51:30] Speaker 2: It had James on the back of it. Trust me.
[51:34] Speaker 2: That wizard's jersey that had.
[51:36] Speaker 1: Jordan on the back of it. Sold.
[51:39] Speaker 2: Guaranteed.
[51:40] Speaker 1: Everywhere. It don't matter what. No matter what is here,
[51:42] Speaker 1: you put James Sr. on the back.
[51:51] Speaker 4: Yep.
[51:51] Speaker 1: It's gone.
[51:52] Speaker 2: And I added the senior on it on the next one.
[51:55] Speaker 1: A bronze jazz jersey?
[51:58] Speaker 2: James.
[51:59] Speaker 1: A bronze jazz jersey is crazy. Hey. That's not. James.
[52:02] Speaker 1: That's important. Yeah, now that's important.
[52:03] Speaker 2: It was a Kim Olajuwon Raptors jersey at one point.
[52:07] Speaker 2: Nobody even remembers that.
[52:09] Speaker 1: Nobody remembers that at all. That was nasty. Yeah, that
[52:12] Speaker 1: was nasty. I'm just saying. Two knee pads. Oh, they're sold. Ew.
[52:16] Speaker 1: White gold hat. It didn't sell. They didn't even put
[52:18] Speaker 1: that shit in the store. They didn't. Take that out.
[52:22] Speaker 1: Take that out. Take it out. Take it out of
[52:25] Speaker 1: the stores. We don't want that. We don't want to
[52:30] Speaker 1: acknowledge that point of life. That was a sad point.
[52:34] Speaker 2: But no matter where you go, the jersey going to sell.
[52:37] Speaker 2: Can't negotiate it. This ain't football. You ain't going to
[52:39] Speaker 2: get it.
[52:39] Speaker 5: That's what I was about to say.
[52:41] Speaker 2: Our license money goes into a pot.
[52:44] Speaker 1: And they dip it in.
[52:45] Speaker 6: All I'm saying is LeBron taking the pay cut so
[52:47] Speaker 6: that helps the Lakers.
[52:49] Speaker 1: But they don't have to sign AR.
[52:51] Speaker 2: They can get somebody different. I would go get somebody different.
[52:55] Speaker 1: I'm going to throw something out.
[52:56] Speaker 6: Okay, so if he take the minimum, they can go
[52:59] Speaker 6: get somebody else.
[53:00] Speaker 5: I'm going to throw something out. I'm going to throw
[53:03] Speaker 5: something out. The Greek freak get traded to Boston. Could
[53:07] Speaker 5: LeBron go there and be James, Greek, and Tatum?
[53:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, for the pay cut.
[53:13] Speaker 1: I mean, what, two, three million?
[53:15] Speaker 2: But then they got to get.
[53:16] Speaker 1: That team win? We don't know. We don't know what's
[53:21] Speaker 1: going to happen. If he goes to the Spurs, I
[53:24] Speaker 1: think we can all feel confidently.
[53:25] Speaker 2: I think it's best opportunity.
[53:27] Speaker 1: If he goes to the Spurs, I'm for sure. There's
[53:29] Speaker 1: a few team names if LeBron goes there.
[53:31] Speaker 2: If LeBron goes to the.
[53:32] Speaker 1: Knicks, you can be confident. LeBron goes to OKC.
[53:36] Speaker 2: You can be confident.
[53:38] Speaker 1: Very confident. Very. I don't see OKC and the Spurs
[53:42] Speaker 1: being the same team if you inject LeBron. Because there's
[53:45] Speaker 1: a spot for OKC for him. No, it's not. Yeah,
[53:48] Speaker 1: it is.
[53:48] Speaker 2: They got a dominant ball. No, it ain't.
[53:50] Speaker 1: What do you mean a dominant? Spurs don't. The Spurs
[53:53] Speaker 1: got two young electric guards.
[53:55] Speaker 2: They need the ball. They need the ball. They're not
[53:58] Speaker 2: dominant ball handlers, though.
[53:59] Speaker 1: If LeBron goes to OKC, he don't need to dominate
[54:03] Speaker 1: the ball. He needs to be able to create space
[54:06] Speaker 1: for others. He's a three. You can move Jalen Williams
[54:08] Speaker 1: to the two. Now you can play real big ball
[54:11] Speaker 1: with Harkinstein, Chet, LeBron, Williams, and SGA.
[54:15] Speaker 4: No, but SGA is a point guard. He'll average eight,
[54:19] Speaker 4: nine assists.
[54:20] Speaker 1: They would actually take it over the top. If he
[54:23] Speaker 1: went there.
[54:24] Speaker 2: But he's not going to a small market. Jordan Harkinstein
[54:26] Speaker 2: would not be unless they take major pay cuts. They
[54:31] Speaker 2: will not be Oklahoma City Thunder next year. LeBron could
[54:34] Speaker 2: go anywhere.
[54:35] Speaker 5: It's crazy to think about it. He could go to
[54:37] Speaker 5: Denver and shit.
[54:38] Speaker 2: Go to Denver. He does elevate.
[54:39] Speaker 1: He could go anywhere and fit in. I don't think
[54:42] Speaker 1: that's a championship team. But, Nick. Denver with him, Murray,
[54:45] Speaker 1: and Joker.
[54:45] Speaker 4: For LeBron, he needs a narrative, and there's no narrative
[54:48] Speaker 4: in Boston or Denver. Like, it doesn't sound right.
[54:51] Speaker 1: Because it makes sense. It doesn't.
[54:53] Speaker 4: Golden State is a narrative because of Steph and Draymond.
[54:57] Speaker 1: And Steve Kerr. San Antonio's a narrative. I'm passing the torch.
[55:00] Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
[55:01] Speaker 1: Only if they get the Greek freak.
[55:02] Speaker 4: But there's no tradition to it for LeBron. If you
[55:06] Speaker 4: go back to Cleveland, at least you're full circle.
[55:10] Speaker 5: It's the fact that Lakers didn't pay you.
[55:13] Speaker 1: It's the Lakers didn't pay you.
[55:15] Speaker 2: This is my tour.
[55:15] Speaker 1: The Lakers didn't pay you. Ain't the Lakers. Boston history
[55:19] Speaker 1: is big. The Lakers didn't pay you, so you go
[55:21] Speaker 1: to the enemy. No.
[55:22] Speaker 4: Yeah, you like.
[55:24] Speaker 1: But that's a bad, that's a bad. You think he
[55:26] Speaker 1: wants that? They did that when he left Cleveland to Miami.
[55:30] Speaker 1: When he went to Miami. But that's the same energy.
[55:33] Speaker 1: He running from that energy. He don't want that energy.
[55:36] Speaker 1: And he winning Boston. I'm putting that jersey on so fast.
[55:41] Speaker 1: He'll be the most hated. What? He already is. People
[55:44] Speaker 1: already hate him.
[55:45] Speaker 2: Listen, bro, that a ruin.
[55:46] Speaker 1: Putting on a Boston jersey? No. That would be very bad.
[55:52] Speaker 1: but it was the end of Shaq it is kind
[55:55] Speaker 1: of it is kind of no it's not it is
[55:57] Speaker 1: you pay AR over me because Shaq wasn't averaging 20
[56:00] Speaker 1: he didn't break but it was Shaq playing in a
[56:03] Speaker 1: Celtics jersey but Shaq had with yes but where does
[56:05] Speaker 1: Shaq go before that he was.
[56:07] Speaker 8: In Cleveland he was he was he was in Cleveland
[56:10] Speaker 8: with LeBron Miami so like he didn't win But LeBron
[56:18] Speaker 8: going to fucking Boston?
[56:19] Speaker 1: After eight years in LA? And help them win? Magic
[56:26] Speaker 1: will lose his shit. Magic will lose his shit. Just
[56:31] Speaker 1: don't go over there. Just don't go over there. Don't
[56:33] Speaker 1: tell me where to go if you don't want to
[56:35] Speaker 1: pay me. We just paid you $ 350 million. But you
[56:36] Speaker 1: said I'm paying AR before you. I didn't say that.
[56:41] Speaker 2: That's what they say.
[56:42] Speaker 1: I'm not paying ARV for a burn. That's what they say.
[56:47] Speaker 1: I don't believe in ARV. It can happen. You wouldn't
[56:49] Speaker 1: think about that?
[56:50] Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a moment.
[56:51] Speaker 1: I'm going to Boston. If there's a Greek freak there,
[56:54] Speaker 1: I'm following him.
[56:55] Speaker 2: Rob Plink. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving.
[56:59] Speaker 4: Let me amplify one thing that you said early on.
[57:03] Speaker 4: I just, from talking to people around the Lakers, and
[57:05] Speaker 4: I never, I didn't get this straight from the horse's mouth,
[57:08] Speaker 4: but I just don't think Luka wants LeBron around anymore.
[57:11] Speaker 4: He just doesn't like sharing the stage with him.
[57:13] Speaker 2: I can understand.
[57:14] Speaker 4: And he loves AR like kind of creepy loves it.
[57:18] Speaker 4: You know, like it's kind of weird.
[57:20] Speaker 1: Like he wanted to love Kyrie.
[57:22] Speaker 2: Having Bron around is like being at the beach and
[57:25] Speaker 2: you got that big ass umbrella. motherfucking big ass shadow
[57:29] Speaker 2: just that's a good that's a good nice and shady
[57:32] Speaker 2: just like where the fuck the sun at you're like
[57:35] Speaker 2: hey that is true I'm here just following you around.
[57:40] Speaker 4: Just and Jeannie made it clear it's his team it's
[57:44] Speaker 4: Lucas team so okay thank you.
[57:46] Speaker 2: That's fine so there I think the writing is on
[57:48] Speaker 2: the wall.
[57:49] Speaker 3: Right yeah and We will see what happens. Less than
[57:53] Speaker 3: two weeks away, God is good. I see some good
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[58:48] Speaker 1: I want to see you do it. I'm trusting. You're
[58:52] Speaker 1: kind of nice at that. Yeah. It's more than reading
[58:55] Speaker 1: the prompter. This is called elite host. It's like, but
[58:56] Speaker 1: you add flavor to it, though.
[58:58] Speaker 2: A host with freedom. A host with freedom. So we're listening.
[59:04] Speaker 2: We want you to use that freedom when you do
[59:06] Speaker 2: that Rose Sparks reading.
[59:08] Speaker 1: Hit a Rose Sparks directly.
[59:09] Speaker 5: All right.
[59:10] Speaker 1: Right.
[59:10] Speaker 2: Harder than freezer meat, they said. I want you to
[59:14] Speaker 2: use that freedom. He be freestyling, though.
[59:16] Speaker 1: He really be. He do. That's what I'm saying. He
[59:18] Speaker 1: be freestyling. That shit do not be on the front.
[59:20] Speaker 1: He just like. I was looking like, hold on. Let
[59:22] Speaker 1: me amp it up a little bit.
[59:24] Speaker 2: He read that shit verbatim.
[59:25] Speaker 1: Verbatim.
[59:26] Speaker 2: He read that shit verbatim.
[59:27] Speaker 1: The freezer meat is his own personal joke.
[59:30] Speaker 2: Harder than freezer meat. That was mine. He didn't put that.
[59:32] Speaker 2: That was mine.
[59:33] Speaker 1: He stole your shit.
[59:34] Speaker 2: No, I told him to put it. He told me to.
[59:37] Speaker 2: I told him before you write his next thing that
[59:40] Speaker 2: he need to call me when he do the commercial, right?
[59:44] Speaker 2: And we need to do that one together.
[59:45] Speaker 3: I don't do the commercial. The commercial comes from the checkbook.
[59:48] Speaker 3: So you put in the freezer meat shit?
[59:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, because what's hard in the freezer?
[59:53] Speaker 1: See, now you over there sitting over there with them.
[59:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, roast sparks get you hard in the freezer meat.
[59:59] Speaker 2: Now that is a jingle that we can stand by.
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: Trust me. Go home, take a steak out the refrigerator.
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: Take the steak out the freezer. That shit a weapon.
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: Nobody want to be there.
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: Multiple meals. That shit a whole weapon. I'm telling you.
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: Bring it. So we're less than a week away. And
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: you know what, after you leave it in too long,
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: you get burned.
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: Not bad. You get freezed to burn.
[1:00:27] Speaker 3: So we're less than a week away from the Bucs'
[1:00:29] Speaker 3: self-imposed deadline to try and move Giannis before the draft.
[1:00:32] Speaker 3: So while reports are Miami is Giannis' preferred destination at
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: this time, word on the street is the Bucs aren't
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: sold on the Heat's trade package, sending around Tyler Hero,
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: Khalil Ware, Jaime Jaquez Jr. in the 13th pick in
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: the 2026 draft. amongst other compensation. Celtics have also emerged
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: as a potential destination, but will likely require Boston to
[1:00:49] Speaker 3: move Jalen Brown in a three-team trade.
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: So Skip, we will start with you. Where is the
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: best basketball fit for Giannis right now? Is it Miami, Boston,
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: New York, OKC, San Antonio, or somewhere else? A lot
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: of options right now for the Greek freak, our favorite Greco-Nigerian.
[1:01:07] Speaker 4: First, I'm going to address something that my friend Michael
[1:01:09] Speaker 4: Wilbon said yesterday.
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: Pardon the interruption.
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: Look at you stealing my take.
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: I was just doing that. Literally, like, I was going
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: to go with that. You want to go now?
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: No, go ahead. Go ahead. You shoot first.
[1:01:21] Speaker 4: So, I worked with Mike for a long time. He's
[1:01:24] Speaker 4: been historically very even-handed with his criticism.
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: I'm better, Nick. I'm better than this. Y'all let this
[1:01:31] Speaker 1: man talk. I'm better. I'm better. I'm just preparing you.
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: I'm better. I'm better. You cool with it, but I'm better.
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: I promise you.
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: I promise you.
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: You will hate me for sure. Go ahead, Skip. All right.
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: No hate. 2026, Skip. Let's increase the peace.
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:01:48] Speaker 4: So Michael Wilbon has been historically very even-handed in his criticism.
[1:01:53] Speaker 4: He can't do this, but he can do that. But
[1:01:56] Speaker 4: this was maybe the ultimate time. He just went scorched
[1:02:00] Speaker 4: earth on a guy that you have campaigned for, defended.
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: Uplifted.
[1:02:08] Speaker 4: And Michael Wilbon, this was gutsy, and there's some truth,
[1:02:12] Speaker 4: much truth to this, but he said, I don't believe
[1:02:16] Speaker 4: in Giannis anymore. Giannis is a rumor. Giannis hasn't done
[1:02:20] Speaker 4: jack in the months that matter, May and June, since 2021. Whew!
[1:02:23] Speaker 4: And it just came out of nowhere, and I was like, what? So,
[1:02:31] Speaker 4: I looked hard at it last night, and Since they
[1:02:36] Speaker 4: won their chip in 21, he has missed nine playoff games,
[1:02:41] Speaker 4: injury and illness. Played in 20. In those 20, the
[1:02:46] Speaker 4: team went 8-12. But he averaged 31-14-7 in those 20 games.
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: 31-14-7.
[1:02:48] Speaker 4: High turnovers, five a game.
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: That's a lot.
[1:02:49] Speaker 4: But the Bucs, since they won that chip, They've won
[1:03:03] Speaker 4: one playoff series in five years. So that's what Michael Wilbon,
[1:03:09] Speaker 4: I think, is referring to. And you can't dump it
[1:03:12] Speaker 4: all on Giannis' doorstep because 31-14-7 is hard to replace that, man.
[1:03:20] Speaker 4: You can't grow on Southern California palm trees, right? And
[1:03:30] Speaker 4: is he... Is he at the end of his prime? Yes,
[1:03:33] Speaker 4: he's at the backside of his prime as he goes
[1:03:35] Speaker 4: into his 14th year toward age 32. But to me,
[1:03:44] Speaker 4: the best fit for him is still Boston. But again,
[1:03:51] Speaker 4: they're going to have to basically blow up their chemistry
[1:03:55] Speaker 4: and start over. But I do think it's the best fit.
[1:03:59] Speaker 4: even though I still am clinging to what you said
[1:04:01] Speaker 4: about the Knicks, I just don't think it's going to
[1:04:03] Speaker 4: happen just because they won. And it would be so shocking.
[1:04:09] Speaker 4: It would be gutsy shocking, and it could be smart
[1:04:12] Speaker 4: shocking to just say, we're going to take it up
[1:04:16] Speaker 4: one more level and see if we can repeat or
[1:04:18] Speaker 4: maybe three-peat with Giannis. And yet the Boston move makes sense. Reportedly,
[1:04:26] Speaker 4: he's good with it. And Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum
[1:04:32] Speaker 4: are never going to quite be simpatico. You know, I
[1:04:35] Speaker 4: don't think they're ever going to be quite comfortable. It's
[1:04:37] Speaker 4: not like a football thing with A.J. Brown and Jalen Hurts.
[1:04:40] Speaker 4: Not to that extent, as you know with your Eagles.
[1:04:44] Speaker 4: But I just, I feel like Boston needs to take
[1:04:49] Speaker 4: it up another step. To deal with the Knicks, you
[1:04:53] Speaker 4: need to take it up a level, and Giannis at
[1:04:55] Speaker 4: this stage and age would take it up a level.
[1:04:58] Speaker 4: You just have to change the way you play basketball
[1:05:00] Speaker 4: because you can't take 53s a game. And I think
[1:05:03] Speaker 4: they would. They'd have to slow it down. They'd have
[1:05:06] Speaker 4: to go at it differently and probably more effectively with
[1:05:11] Speaker 4: your man.
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: Hmm.
[1:05:15] Speaker 3: So, Kenny, I know you're very high on Giannis or
[1:05:17] Speaker 3: the Knicks, but what other options out there would make
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: the most sense for the Greek freak services?
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, besides that situation, because the chances of it happening,
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: like I said, I just threw it out there. Just
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: my thought, the way I was. But no matter where,
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: if it's Miami, you got to give up your– some
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: of your key pieces. If it's Boston, you got to
[1:05:45] Speaker 2: give up some of your key pieces. And then what
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: do you do from there? In Miami, do you build
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: the team around Bam and Giannis? It's kind of similar players.
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: Tyler Hero is needed and Jaime Jaquez would be needed
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: in that situation because they play different. You're going to Boston,
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: you would have to give up Derek White and Pritchard
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: and what's needed for them dudes to be effective, right?
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: To spread the floor, Giannis plays downhill, Jason Tatum needs
[1:06:20] Speaker 2: spacing in order to beat him. So what I don't,
[1:06:26] Speaker 2: I don't best fit you would have to give up
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: so much in both places in order to make it work.
[1:06:34] Speaker 3: And with the Heat, you've got Norm Powell be a
[1:06:35] Speaker 3: free agent, Andrew Wiggins with the player option.
[1:06:38] Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins is older. You can try to get younger.
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: You have some bread, though, and a little bit of flexibility. Yeah,
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: you've got to get off of young Khalil Ware. First
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: round with Jaime Hayek is you paid Tyler Hero because
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: you believed in him. You know, this is a different talent,
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: and we know that.
[1:06:52] Speaker 4: They have the 13th overall.
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, this year. So what do you do with that?
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: You can throw that pick in there.
[1:06:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: But then, but yeah, because what makes Giannis good and
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: when he was at his peak was shooters, right? He
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: had shooters on the perimeter. He can play downhill. And
[1:07:09] Speaker 2: if they don't have those shooters, then is Giannis going
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: to be that effective? But yeah, it's a sticky situation. Yeah,
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: I just, yeah, the.
[1:07:25] Speaker 2: The Knicks give them the best chance, man, to win.
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: I just hate to say it, but like I said,
[1:07:30] Speaker 2: the chance of it because they won it. I can't
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: see them dudes pulling the trigger on that because they
[1:07:38] Speaker 2: just won it, the Knicks. But I would– to me,
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: that's the best fit, right, without having to give everything up.
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: You have to give some pieces up, but not have
[1:07:46] Speaker 2: to give everything up, I think. But people got to
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: do their job. I'm saying wherever he goes, people got
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: to do their job. The front rows have to do
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: their job. Put the right pieces around. You got to
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: mess with the books in order to put the best
[1:08:00] Speaker 2: team around impossible.
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: Shab, when you look at these potential options for Giannis destinations,
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: where is the best basketball fit for the Greek freak?
[1:08:12] Speaker 2: Basketball aside from money and all of the other.
[1:08:15] Speaker 3: Where can I go if it's about winning and if
[1:08:17] Speaker 3: it's about trying to get back to the finals, get
[1:08:21] Speaker 3: a championship?
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: I want to go out on a limb because we're
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: talking about LeBron going here, AR going here, which I
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: did say Joker going to LA makes sense. Giannis to
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: LA with Luka. What does that look like? You got
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: a passer. You got a roll rise. I mean, a
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: roll dunker. You're talking about LA. You're talking about Big Marky.
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: You're talking about building around two guys not necessarily with
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: what they have now but going out and moving these
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: pieces around to make sure he gets what he needs.
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: And him being the big, running, changing the dynamic of
[1:09:07] Speaker 1: how he plays, half-court basketball. I don't like the Heat scenario.
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: I don't like the Boston scenario, even though he wants
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: to go there. And going back to your point about
[1:09:19] Speaker 1: Michael Wilbon and all of the things that he said
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: about that scenario, I agreed wholeheartedly with it and always
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: tried to figure out why it was the sentiment of
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: feeling like, man, I'm losing this energy for Giannis based
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: on him feeling this type of way or doing these
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: type of things and not bringing this energy back to
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: the championship field. But it is roster shit. It is
[1:09:42] Speaker 1: GM shit. It is coaching, moving different pieces and all that,
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: but For some reason, I feel like if you don't
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: go get Joker for Luka and you move AR and
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: you don't pay him, LeBron makes a move, goes somewhere else,
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: you just got Luka. And so if you're LA and
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: you're like, we got the money.
[1:10:07] Speaker 4: What do you give back? What do you give Milwaukee?
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: We got to do a multi-year trade. I mean, a
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: multi-team trade. Yeah. We definitely throw in other teams, figure
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: out who can move. We give up cash consideration, some picks,
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: whatever it is needed to get Giannis, we would do it.
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to Michael Wilbon, this thing, right?
[1:10:27] Speaker 2: It ain't him. It ain't Giannis. Can't put it on, like,
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: to say you don't believe in this man anywhere. Read
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: them 31, 14, and 7?
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: And the reason he hasn't played in the other... Games
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: that he's missed.
[1:10:43] Speaker 4: He missed nine games. He missed one full series against
[1:10:45] Speaker 4: the Pacers two years ago.
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: Because of injury, correct?
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. Because of how he plays the game, Michael Wilbon.
[1:10:51] Speaker 2: I hate to be the one to break it to you.
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: The man plays downhill. He plays aggressive. If he was healthy,
[1:10:59] Speaker 2: he would play. He ain't wanting to move.
[1:11:01] Speaker 4: But you did say the other day he needs to
[1:11:03] Speaker 4: gear it down a little bit.
[1:11:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, he has to tweak the way he plays instead of,
[1:11:07] Speaker 2: like I said, so I use it now that you
[1:11:09] Speaker 2: have 35 possessions, right?
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: Instead of 35 this way, make it 20 and 15
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: and a half court, right? That would lessen his chances
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: of stepping on somebody's foot, rolling the ankle, bumping knees.
[1:11:25] Speaker 2: Those have been his injuries. Hyper-extended knee.
[1:11:27] Speaker 4: Calf pull.
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: Calf strain.
[1:11:29] Speaker 2: All of those things. Him landing and trying to push
[1:11:32] Speaker 2: back off and go back on D because he's running
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: full speed. Those are things... Because he plays hard.
[1:11:37] Speaker 1: He does.
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: So you can't write somebody off talking about you don't
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: believe in him anymore because he has been carrying a
[1:11:43] Speaker 2: franchise year in, year out.
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:11:47] Speaker 2: Doing it, his numbers haven't dipped one bit. So to
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: say you don't believe in this man anymore is a
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: slap in this man's face over the things that he's
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: been doing throughout his career. He cares. He's not one
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: of them other dudes that don't care about the end result.
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: Every time he takes that floor. From what I've noticed
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: from his 14 years since he's been in this league,
[1:12:11] Speaker 2: he ain't did nothing but get better, carry a franchise
[1:12:15] Speaker 2: to a championship. That's what that man has done. So
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: to say you don't believe, that's not, no, we're not
[1:12:23] Speaker 2: going to do that to him because he cares about
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: the end result.
[1:12:27] Speaker 4: You can't believe in the team results over the last
[1:12:31] Speaker 4: five years.
[1:12:32] Speaker 2: That's not on him. Unfortunately, that's not on him. They
[1:12:35] Speaker 2: have lost in the second round. All of those things exist, yes.
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: How about this?
[1:12:41] Speaker 2: It ain't because of him not showing up.
[1:12:43] Speaker 4: They won one playoff series.
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: He gets the blame, yes.
[1:12:47] Speaker 2: That's all he's saying. No, but he said he don't
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: believe in this man. No, you can blame, but don't
[1:12:52] Speaker 2: say you don't believe. It ain't because of his play.
[1:12:55] Speaker 3: And this thing is no knock to Giannis, but when
[1:12:56] Speaker 3: it comes to looking towards a long-term extension, what Giannis
[1:12:58] Speaker 3: is going to want, wherever he ends up going, obviously
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: has a player option next year, win the chip in 2021,
[1:13:03] Speaker 3: get to the second round in 2022, lose to the
[1:13:05] Speaker 3: Celtics in seven.
[1:13:06] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:13:07] Speaker 3: Get beat by the Heat in the first round the
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: next season after being first in the East.
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:13:11] Speaker 3: Lose to the Pacers in the first round the next
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: season after being first in the East.
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:13:15] Speaker 2: Lose to the Pacers again.
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: Yes. After being third in the East. Yes. Excuse me,
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: fifth in the East.
[1:13:20] Speaker 2: Wow, averaging what? And now you're 11.
[1:13:22] Speaker 3: And I understand all that, but playing 36 games, not
[1:13:25] Speaker 3: making the playoffs. So you got three straight first-round exits.
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: Cool.
[1:13:27] Speaker 2: You didn't make the playoffs.
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: Both things can exist. Will Baum's point is, listen, what
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: have you done for me lately?
[1:13:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's time to move on.
[1:13:33] Speaker 1: What have you done for me lately? It ain't that
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: your points aren't respected. It's that I don't believe you
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: can take us there. Cool. Due to the fact that
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: the last five years, four years show me that you
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: haven't gotten it done. Regardless of the circumstance, you haven't
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: gotten it done.
[1:13:51] Speaker 4: Josiah, when they finished first in the East in 24,
[1:13:56] Speaker 4: like two years ago.
[1:13:57] Speaker 2: Hey, what's that highway?
[1:13:58] Speaker 3: They finished first, lost to the Heat, then finished third,
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: lost to the Pacers.
[1:14:03] Speaker 4: But they lost to the Pacers without, Giannis was gone
[1:14:06] Speaker 4: for the whole six games. He pulled a calf.
[1:14:08] Speaker 2: The highway between Milwaukee and Chicago. Same thing with the Heat.
[1:14:10] Speaker 2: I think he missed two or three of those. He did.
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: We know the road between Milwaukee and Chicago. The highway,
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: you know that road? I don't know the name, but
[1:14:18] Speaker 2: whatever the number is. But Mike Wilbon, you from that city,
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: your team ain't did shit.
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: Since?
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: I guarantee Michael Wilbon, if he decided to say, I
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: want to go a little further east- From Milwaukee, I
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: guarantee you, it'd be open arms.
[1:14:38] Speaker 4: Oh, I see what you mean. If he wants to
[1:14:39] Speaker 4: go to the Bulls.
[1:14:40] Speaker 2: Because you're a Bulls fan, Michael Wilbon. If he wants
[1:14:43] Speaker 2: to go to the Bulls, I guarantee you to open
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: him with open arms. Bring that 31-14-7 that he.
[1:14:50] Speaker 4: Well, the only team they beat in a playoff series
[1:14:53] Speaker 4: since the championship was the Bulls the next year.
[1:14:57] Speaker 1: But if LeBron can get criticism for being 1-8 for
[1:15:01] Speaker 1: the last seven years, we have to be able to
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: criticize a motherfucker who ain't won. Like, you won and
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: you haven't won. You can criticize the winning, yes.
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: You can criticize the team.
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: That's all he's been saying. I just don't believe in him.
[1:15:13] Speaker 2: I just don't.
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: Taking it to the house. Okay.
[1:15:18] Speaker 4: So has he been a rumor in winning series?
[1:15:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: But not in performing, he hasn't been a rumor.
[1:15:24] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Believing in him is different.
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: If he goes somewhere with a team, I.
[1:15:30] Speaker 2: Think he has. Yeah, they got three coaches over the
[1:15:32] Speaker 2: last however many years. So the thing about me, I
[1:15:36] Speaker 2: choose to look at the whole totality of the situation
[1:15:40] Speaker 2: that he's been in.
[1:15:41] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:15:43] Speaker 2: Since they won it, right? Changing coaches, free agency leave,
[1:15:47] Speaker 2: Chris Middleton leave, Dame get hurt. I look at the
[1:15:50] Speaker 2: totality of it all. I'm not just going to put
[1:15:53] Speaker 2: it all on him.
[1:15:54] Speaker 4: Remember the Adrian Griffin debacle?
[1:15:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, so I look at the totality of it all. Yep.
[1:16:00] Speaker 2: But has he been handled?
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: Yes. 100%. Accountability has to be there.
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: That sounds, but he's still showing up and doing his job.
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: He's getting paid. He's getting paid to show up and
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: do his job. But he's showing up and doing.
[1:16:14] Speaker 2: His job at a high level.
[1:16:16] Speaker 5: But teams are willing to trade their best players for him.
[1:16:20] Speaker 5: If you don't believe in a person, you wouldn't do that, though.
[1:16:22] Speaker 1: That ain't got nothing to do with Michael Wilbon. Michael
[1:16:26] Speaker 1: Wilbon is a fan. Just like we are fans. Like
[1:16:30] Speaker 1: I stopped. I didn't believe in Luca when he was
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: in Dallas and he did that shit. And I'm like, man, man, nah, man,
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: I'm cool, man. You're not playing no defense, man. You
[1:16:39] Speaker 1: just don't show no effort. I'm cool. I'm cool, man.
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: I had a lot of respect and a lot of
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: admiration for the kid. Man, when I seen certain aspects
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: of his game, I just couldn't roll with. Some people
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: feel that way when you start seeing your best player,
[1:16:53] Speaker 1: that your favorite player do certain things. I wanted to
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: tell y'all what's wrong about Kobe and the pay cut.
[1:16:59] Speaker 1: He didn't take a pay cut.
[1:17:00] Speaker 5: He told me, pay me what I earn, and it's
[1:17:03] Speaker 5: on management to build the roster after that.
[1:17:05] Speaker 1: He took two years, 48. I think he could have
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: gotten up.
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: To six or something.
[1:17:07] Speaker 5: He could have had three years, but he said he'd
[1:17:08] Speaker 5: take two years full of max money, though. He didn't
[1:17:11] Speaker 5: take a pay cut.
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: He could have got three.
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: He still got more. No, no, no. He took all
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: the money he could get. You got a text from Gil, huh? No, no.
[1:17:21] Speaker 2: I just looked it up because I was there. I remember.
[1:17:23] Speaker 5: They couldn't pay me what I wanted. I knew I
[1:17:26] Speaker 5: wasn't tripping. I was like, hold on now. I remember
[1:17:29] Speaker 5: he went to the dinner with Mello. It was after Mello.
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: He was trying to get Mello. So he didn't take
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: a pay cut?
[1:17:33] Speaker 7: No.
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: No.
[1:17:34] Speaker 3: I think he took a couple million over when he
[1:17:36] Speaker 3: could have took over his $ 30 million max.
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: So you got to argue with Joe. Joe got the facts.
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: You argue with Joe. I knew I was there in
[1:17:45] Speaker 1: the moment. Like you say, you was there all the time.
[1:17:48] Speaker 2: I was there.
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: Let's shift over to Mr. B, Mr. 414, Milwaukee Bucks representative.
[1:17:52] Speaker 4: Yep.
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: Still well-embraced throughout the city. Carson's, amongst other various restaurants, locations,
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: the Trade Hotel.
[1:18:00] Speaker 2: Very heavy.
[1:18:00] Speaker 1: Carnivore's hat.
[1:18:01] Speaker 2: Carnivore.
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:18:03] Speaker 3: You think about this whole Gianna situation, and what's the
[1:18:06] Speaker 3: best basketball fit?
[1:18:07] Speaker 1: Well, I just can't wait until it's over with. I
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: think both parties are.
[1:18:11] Speaker 6: It's just making, the longer it is, it's just, you're
[1:18:14] Speaker 6: going to hear people have their side of the story
[1:18:16] Speaker 6: about what Welbon said, and you're going to have other
[1:18:19] Speaker 6: people like Bill Simmons, or I think he said something also,
[1:18:22] Speaker 6: but Yeah, I mean, the longer it is, you know,
[1:18:26] Speaker 6: it's over. But, you know, the fans of Milwaukee, they're
[1:18:28] Speaker 6: going to love Giannis forever.
[1:18:29] Speaker 2: He's a god forever.
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: He's going to be beloved forever.
[1:18:32] Speaker 6: I just want to see him go somewhere where he
[1:18:33] Speaker 6: can win and get back to who he is. He's
[1:18:36] Speaker 6: a dominant force. Like Kenyon said, he's going to show
[1:18:39] Speaker 6: up every night. He's going to do his job. So
[1:18:42] Speaker 6: wherever he goes, it's going to be a plus. It's
[1:18:45] Speaker 6: all about just what Milwaukee wants back and what they
[1:18:48] Speaker 6: want to do as far as the future for them.
[1:18:51] Speaker 6: You know, losing a guy like this who's been there for, what,
[1:18:54] Speaker 6: 14 years, 12 years, it's going to be tough, man.
[1:18:57] Speaker 6: I mean, they watched him become from a kid to
[1:18:59] Speaker 6: a grown man and watch him develop.
[1:19:01] Speaker 1: But, you know, I like Boston. I like the Lakers.
[1:19:07] Speaker 1: But just a situation where he could win.
[1:19:10] Speaker 6: You know, I think I think that's just what it
[1:19:11] Speaker 6: is for me at this point and where he can
[1:19:13] Speaker 6: keep going, because we've seen the last five years has
[1:19:15] Speaker 6: been injuries. It's been, you know, a lot of coaches,
[1:19:19] Speaker 6: different situations. He just needs to be in a situation
[1:19:21] Speaker 6: where he knows that this is what it is.
[1:19:25] Speaker 4: Do you expect this to happen before the draft and
[1:19:29] Speaker 4: what you've heard?
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: They want it to happen before the draft. I don't
[1:19:33] Speaker 1: think it's going to happen before the draft.
[1:19:35] Speaker 4: Because it doesn't have to happen before the draft.
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.
[1:19:40] Speaker 6: But I think the more they keep waiting, the more
[1:19:43] Speaker 6: you're going to hear guys like Mel Bonds and all
[1:19:45] Speaker 6: these guys just start saying things because I'm sure they're
[1:19:48] Speaker 6: tied up at two.
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: But if they keep losing leverage every single day, now
[1:19:51] Speaker 3: it doesn't happen, right? Every day it goes on. If
[1:19:53] Speaker 3: I'm another team.
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: You lose leverage how?
[1:19:56] Speaker 3: I'm saying the Bucs by not getting this move done
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: as soon as possible.
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: But, I mean, Giannis is still. Yeah, Giannis is still.
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: He's got one more year, I think, of player option
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, but they can get this done in, what, July, August?
[1:20:08] Speaker 2: They can get this done up until the trade deadline.
[1:20:10] Speaker 1: I believe.
[1:20:10] Speaker 4: But then they couldn't use draft picks in this draft.
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: You know, if you're going to get some picks back
[1:20:15] Speaker 4: for him, you want to use them Tuesday night next year, right?
[1:20:18] Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: So I'm thinking they probably want to get it done before, right,
[1:20:22] Speaker 1: for the draft.
[1:20:22] Speaker 4: Jimmy Haslam said, We would like to get it done.
[1:20:25] Speaker 2: Before the draft. Sunday, Monday, shit right before, the morning of.
[1:20:32] Speaker 3: As you know, has no problem trading. Big time player.
[1:20:36] Speaker 3: All right, well, let's shift back to L.A.
[1:20:41] Speaker 2: If we can.
[1:20:42] Speaker 3: LeBron isn't the only Laker getting significant interest on the
[1:20:45] Speaker 3: free agent market. Austin Reed's expected to opt out of
[1:20:47] Speaker 3: the final year of his contract and become eligible for
[1:20:50] Speaker 3: a five-year $ 241 million contract.
[1:20:53] Speaker 2: Max contract.
[1:20:54] Speaker 3: So according to the Athletics' Dan Wojcicki, the Nets are
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: expected to offer Reeves a four-year, $ 179 million contract. I
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: think that's the most that they can offer. Lakers can
[1:21:04] Speaker 3: give him five years. Every other team can give him four.
[1:21:07] Speaker 3: With the Pistons and Hawks amongst the teams that can
[1:21:08] Speaker 3: create cap space to make a competitive offer for the
[1:21:11] Speaker 3: man known as Lemon Daddy here in Los Angeles.
[1:21:13] Speaker 2: You've seen the billboards.
[1:21:15] Speaker 3: But at this point, reports are Austin Reeves, or the
[1:21:17] Speaker 3: reports are that Austin Reeves resigning with the Lakers is
[1:21:19] Speaker 3: the most likely outcome. Reeves averaged 23 points, five rebounds,
[1:21:23] Speaker 3: six assists a game on 49, 36, 87 splits, 51
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: games this season. Swaggy, if you're the Lakers, what's the
[1:21:31] Speaker 3: highest annual salary that you would pay Austin Reeves? Are
[1:21:34] Speaker 3: you going to give him the max? Are you going
[1:21:36] Speaker 3: to try to get him to take a discount? He's
[1:21:39] Speaker 3: already done it before.
[1:21:41] Speaker 5: Um, I'll give him, I told you from day one,
[1:21:44] Speaker 5: I said around 180, 200.
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: I can't give him the full 250.
[1:21:48] Speaker 5: Um, Because at the end of the day, you really
[1:21:55] Speaker 5: don't know if he's a number two.
[1:21:58] Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
[1:22:00] Speaker 5: A number two is a guy that's supposed to take
[1:22:03] Speaker 5: you over the hump and get you a deep run
[1:22:06] Speaker 5: in the finals.
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: I like Austin Reeves. I like the confidence.
[1:22:12] Speaker 5: I think he's a great player for sure.
[1:22:15] Speaker 1: He's got the name. People love him. Kids love him
[1:22:17] Speaker 1: out here in the Laker uniform.
[1:22:19] Speaker 5: If you want to stay at Laker, I don't think
[1:22:21] Speaker 5: you give them 250. I don't think Austin Reeves and
[1:22:24] Speaker 5: Luka are just a team that's going to win the finals.
[1:22:28] Speaker 5: I don't think people are afraid of that. When they
[1:22:31] Speaker 5: come to the Crypto, they see Austin Reeves and Luka
[1:22:35] Speaker 5: out there. I don't think no team should be afraid
[1:22:38] Speaker 5: of that, really. If you want to build a championship team,
[1:22:43] Speaker 5: I don't think you pay Austin Reeves 250. But I never,
[1:22:47] Speaker 5: if he get it, well-deserved, for sure. I'm all for
[1:22:51] Speaker 5: my corners, you know, becoming stars.
[1:22:56] Speaker 1: Elevator corner now. Yeah, the elevator.
[1:22:58] Speaker 2: I think he's escaped the corner.
[1:22:59] Speaker 5: He's the guy that was able to get over the hump,
[1:23:01] Speaker 5: you know. Sometimes people get stuck in that box, but
[1:23:06] Speaker 5: he was able to get over that.
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: He averaged what? He was averaging almost 30 at one point.
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: Earlier in the season, obviously looking like an all-NBA level player.
[1:23:13] Speaker 5: I'm not saying he don't deserve it. If he go
[1:23:14] Speaker 5: to Brooklyn, yes, pay him everything he needs. But staying
[1:23:18] Speaker 5: in L.A.? Four years close to 180. Lakers give him
[1:23:22] Speaker 5: five years, 241. Obviously, it can be a shorter version
[1:23:24] Speaker 5: of that contract. Take the four years, 180, bro.
[1:23:28] Speaker 2: From the Nets?
[1:23:29] Speaker 3: Yeah. And there's obviously potential now if he opts out,
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: he can just walk because Nets have that bread.
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: I don't think they need to do a signing trade.
[1:23:36] Speaker 2: They may want to, but.
[1:23:38] Speaker 5: If you want to be an all-star, yeah. If you
[1:23:41] Speaker 5: want to be an all-star, go somewhere else. You ain't
[1:23:44] Speaker 5: going to be an all-star in the shadows of Luka
[1:23:47] Speaker 5: and LeBron if they bring him back and talk about.
[1:23:50] Speaker 2: He ain't going to be an all-star in the basement
[1:23:52] Speaker 2: of the East, neither. Why not?
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: He got a better chance.
[1:23:58] Speaker 5: The kid from Denver, they traded over there. Michael Porter
[1:24:02] Speaker 5: was down there in the all-star voting.
[1:24:04] Speaker 2: And the voting. He was there.
[1:24:05] Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm saying his play. If he
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: go over there, if Austin Reeves go over there and
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: do what he did to the Lakers, he's dead.
[1:24:10] Speaker 2: The voting is not the only thing that matters now.
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: D-Lo, little D-Lo made an all-star in Brooklyn.
[1:24:16] Speaker 2: Little D-Lo. Everybody that, they changed that shit.
[1:24:20] Speaker 5: D'Angelo Russell was an all-star in Brooklyn.
[1:24:22] Speaker 2: They changed that shit. It ain't just the voting no more.
[1:24:25] Speaker 6: I know, but I'm saying his popularity and they know
[1:24:27] Speaker 6: him from being a, like, to go to Brooklyn.
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: It's the coaches.
[1:24:30] Speaker 2: And everything now. So the voting's all certain percentages. The
[1:24:33] Speaker 2: coaches got to pick and all that. So if they
[1:24:36] Speaker 2: in the basement, he won't be in office. I don't
[1:24:38] Speaker 2: give a fuck what he got.
[1:24:39] Speaker 1: No, we're saying, no, he has a better chance of
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: being one.
[1:24:41] Speaker 2: Not if they in the basement is what I'm saying.
[1:24:43] Speaker 2: Not if they got a losing record during that time.
[1:24:45] Speaker 2: He won't be at all.
[1:24:47] Speaker 1: He just saying he got a better chance of being
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: an all-star rather than playing with the Lakers. He don't
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: got no chance.
[1:24:53] Speaker 2: He got a better chance. If he don't get hurt
[1:24:55] Speaker 2: last year, he's an all-star.
[1:24:57] Speaker 3: Based on this new weighted fan vote system, you're going
[1:25:00] Speaker 3: to get a ton of fan votes if you're Austin Reeves.
[1:25:01] Speaker 3: Then you finish top 10, top 12 in fan votes.
[1:25:04] Speaker 3: Now he becomes the other player ranks and all that
[1:25:06] Speaker 3: other shit.
[1:25:06] Speaker 2: If he wouldn't have got hurt last year, he would
[1:25:08] Speaker 2: have continued on the pace he was at the beginning
[1:25:09] Speaker 2: of the season.
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: There was no way he was going to continue that
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: pace because LeBron came back and his pace went down
[1:25:15] Speaker 1: when they all three came back.
[1:25:16] Speaker 2: But he got hurt.
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: They all three played together and his numbers went down.
[1:25:18] Speaker 1: He got hurt. When he came back.
[1:25:21] Speaker 2: But he got, damn, Rashad, we're not going to do this, man.
[1:25:24] Speaker 2: Because you don't want to listen. No, because he got hurt.
[1:25:27] Speaker 1: I heard that. LeBron came back. He got hurt. Yes.
[1:25:30] Speaker 4: Both of them got hurt.
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: So we're saying he was an all-star. He could have
[1:25:36] Speaker 1: been an all-star up until a certain point, right? Because
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: he was playing by himself. He was doing his own thing. Now,
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: when you're playing with two other guys, your numbers in
[1:25:46] Speaker 1: production go down. If he goes to Brooklyn, he gets
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: to do his thing all year long. He don't have
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: to pass to nobody. I would like to have my
[1:25:56] Speaker 1: own team if I'm A.R. Just, you never know what
[1:26:01] Speaker 1: could happen. You get your own team.
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: For sure.
[1:26:05] Speaker 1: He was out from end of December Especially through the
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: entire month of January.
[1:26:16] Speaker 5: I feel like that was more to keep your numbers
[1:26:18] Speaker 5: the same. I feel like that was more to keep
[1:26:20] Speaker 5: your numbers the same.
[1:26:21] Speaker 2: I felt the same way.
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: Hey, listen, I'm going to chill. I'm going to chill
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: until LeBron, watch out, because he's fucking up my numbers.
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: I said that when it happened. I'm like, he ain't
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: about to come back and you fuck up my numbers.
[1:26:33] Speaker 1: I'm averaging 30.
[1:26:35] Speaker 2: For sure.
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: I'm cool. Let's see what the old guy do.
[1:26:39] Speaker 2: Like I said, if they're in the basement over there,
[1:26:42] Speaker 2: he ain't going to be an all-star. So, just what
[1:26:44] Speaker 2: it is.
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: You're being in the basement averaging 30.
[1:26:46] Speaker 2: He's not an all-star, Nick. If he's averaging 30 and
[1:26:50] Speaker 2: they got fucking seven wins at the time.
[1:26:52] Speaker 1: He's not an all-star?
[1:26:53] Speaker 2: Not if they have seven wins as a team.
[1:26:55] Speaker 1: No, he's not. They're not going to have more than
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: seven wins as a team?
[1:26:59] Speaker 2: If he goes to Brooklyn?
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: They had more than seven wins this season, Nick.
[1:27:03] Speaker 3: So you look at Reeves in March, if you want
[1:27:04] Speaker 3: to use that, it's kind of based on Lakers went
[1:27:06] Speaker 3: 15-2 that month. Lucas had, with the March scoring average record.
[1:27:09] Speaker 3: So Reeves averaged 22, six assists in that month, shooting 46%
[1:27:13] Speaker 3: from the field.
[1:27:14] Speaker 2: How much did Michael Porter average? This season?
[1:27:16] Speaker 1: 20-something. Or 20-something.
[1:27:18] Speaker 2: He was number 25.
[1:27:18] Speaker 1: Yeah. He was there. What's your point? He was on
[1:27:23] Speaker 1: the out, like, What's your point? Somebody get hurt. He
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: was next on the point.
[1:27:26] Speaker 2: He was 24-7. So he was the leading scorer over there, right? Yeah,
[1:27:29] Speaker 2: shooting 18 shots a game. And didn't make the All-Star team.
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson made the All-Star team.
[1:27:36] Speaker 2: Who's the East All-Star?
[1:27:38] Speaker 1: Who's the East All-Star?
[1:27:39] Speaker 2: Go down to Ross.
[1:27:41] Speaker 1: He was there.
[1:27:41] Speaker 2: Go down to Ross.
[1:27:42] Speaker 5: He was on Denver. He never even been on that.
[1:27:44] Speaker 2: Not even close.
[1:27:45] Speaker 1: Not even close.
[1:27:46] Speaker 2: I wonder why.
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's why you go to Brooklyn
[1:27:49] Speaker 1: and you get another chance.
[1:27:50] Speaker 2: He got traded there. He didn't go there. Michael Porter,
[1:27:54] Speaker 2: he chose to go to Brooklyn. He got traded there.
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: Which is an opportunity for you to make an All-Star team.
[1:28:01] Speaker 2: It's a situation that Austin Reeves is in. It's a
[1:28:03] Speaker 2: different situation. Austin Reeves has a choice to make. Michael
[1:28:07] Speaker 2: Porter didn't have a choice to make. He got traded there.
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: We're talking about him being able to be an All-Star
[1:28:13] Speaker 1: on a team that he goes to.
[1:28:14] Speaker 2: And if he goes to Brooklyn... Like I said, if
[1:28:18] Speaker 2: they have a winning record and he averaging 30, the
[1:28:21] Speaker 2: chances of him being an all-star are great. If he
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: goes there and he's averaging 30 and they are below
[1:28:28] Speaker 2: 500 at the time, the chances of him being an
[1:28:30] Speaker 2: all-star are not good. So, these are facts.
[1:28:33] Speaker 1: But those chances are still better than him being an
[1:28:36] Speaker 1: all-star in a Laker uniform.
[1:28:37] Speaker 2: If that's what you're saying. you want to go with, Rashad, cool. So,
[1:28:42] Speaker 2: a question for you guys.
[1:28:43] Speaker 3: Let's just say hypothetically these numbers are just made up,
[1:28:46] Speaker 3: but you got four for 180 from the Nets to
[1:28:49] Speaker 3: go be on a bottom feeder team that could turn
[1:28:51] Speaker 3: things around in a couple years. Or let's say you
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: get five for 200 from the Lakers to play with Luka,
[1:28:57] Speaker 3: usher in the next generation, next era. Stay with the team.
[1:29:02] Speaker 3: You're undrafted, but stay with the team you spent your
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: whole NBA career with. Get to stay in L.A. Which
[1:29:06] Speaker 3: option are you taking? Well, you can end up like
[1:29:08] Speaker 3: Jordan Poole. And that's where I'm kind of getting. I
[1:29:14] Speaker 3: got a pretty good thing here. I'm well embraced by
[1:29:17] Speaker 3: the city. I got billboards all over here. I got
[1:29:20] Speaker 3: to go to New York now. We know who runs
[1:29:21] Speaker 3: that city now more than ever. Can't even get a
[1:29:26] Speaker 3: cheesecake at Junior's. Do I want to be the guy?
[1:29:30] Speaker 3: Or he could be like Bronson.
[1:29:33] Speaker 1: Do I want to be the guy? Who are Bronson?
[1:29:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, he could go either way.
[1:29:38] Speaker 1: He could go either way.
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: But who is he? Let me start.
[1:29:45] Speaker 1: I'm taking a risk. Say it again. I'm taking a risk.
[1:29:48] Speaker 2: Is the risk leaving? You're taking a risk and leaving?
[1:29:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, LA.
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: Going there, going there. Yeah, that's what I'm going to
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: feel like.
[1:29:56] Speaker 2: But just hear me out.
[1:29:57] Speaker 1: If.
[1:29:58] Speaker 2: All they can offer you is the four years 180.
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: That's the most that they can offer. You taking that cut?
[1:30:06] Speaker 1: They're both on the table, right? They're both on the table. Yeah,
[1:30:09] Speaker 1: I'm going to make it back.
[1:30:10] Speaker 2: Off the court. I'm still in New York. But I'm
[1:30:13] Speaker 2: saying if he opts out, right? He opts out of
[1:30:16] Speaker 2: this last year. He enters free agent. So he'll be
[1:30:21] Speaker 2: unrestricted free agent. You take that cut? So you go,
[1:30:26] Speaker 2: because there's multiple teams that can give him four years,
[1:30:29] Speaker 2: and the Lakers are the only team that can give
[1:30:30] Speaker 2: him five?
[1:30:30] Speaker 1: Lakers are the only team that can give him five.
[1:30:31] Speaker 1: Lakers are the only team. So the Jazz is the
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: other team that can give him four.
[1:30:34] Speaker 3: So I think Pistons, Hawks are amongst those teams mentioned.
[1:30:37] Speaker 3: Let me see what the Jazz is.
[1:30:38] Speaker 2: I'm going to go with New.
[1:30:38] Speaker 6: York because it's a bigger market. I can make the
[1:30:41] Speaker 6: money off the court.
[1:30:41] Speaker 1: Pistons, I go to Detroit. Ooh. No, I'm not going
[1:30:44] Speaker 1: to Detroit. Shit. Me and K. What? Me and K.
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: It's wide open. No Duncan Robinson. Watch out. Oh, my God.
[1:30:52] Speaker 1: I could go literally do my thing at the two.
[1:30:54] Speaker 2: If you J.J. Reddick, what do you want? As the coach,
[1:30:58] Speaker 2: what do you want?
[1:30:59] Speaker 1: Exciting whites.
[1:31:02] Speaker 2: Can you coach Luca and A.R. for another entire season
[1:31:07] Speaker 2: with what we displayed as J.J. losing his shit? doing timeouts,
[1:31:14] Speaker 2: them not getting back, and, like, do you put up
[1:31:16] Speaker 2: with that again? If you J.J.
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: Read it? Yeah, yeah, I mean, man, Luka wasn't, Luka
[1:31:24] Speaker 1: was hurt, man.
[1:31:25] Speaker 2: No, but it ain't about being hurt, I'm talking about
[1:31:28] Speaker 2: the other, while he's playing, I'm talking about shit that's
[1:31:30] Speaker 2: doing on him while he's playing.
[1:31:31] Speaker 6: But through all that, we still got out the first round,
[1:31:33] Speaker 6: we still, we still, because of who, Brandon? Because of
[1:31:37] Speaker 6: the Los Angeles Lakers, like, they, the team, the team
[1:31:40] Speaker 6: came together, they played, they were playing, Who was.
[1:31:41] Speaker 2: The team at that point? Who was the team that
[1:31:44] Speaker 2: beat Houston Rockets? LeBron. Okay.
[1:31:46] Speaker 3: Awesome reason.
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: Unavailable.
[1:31:48] Speaker 2: He appreciates that.
[1:31:49] Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm just saying, as a team, though, they
[1:31:51] Speaker 6: still rallied together and still got it done.
[1:31:53] Speaker 4: Okay, but Kevin Durant played one half of one game.
[1:31:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, we just played.
[1:31:57] Speaker 5: We put him out of his misery, too.
[1:32:01] Speaker 2: We didn't tell him to bump knees in practice. Yeah. Yeah,
[1:32:03] Speaker 2: I just, it's.
[1:32:05] Speaker 3: But you got Reeves played 51 games this season, so
[1:32:08] Speaker 3: he missed 31. Luka played 64 games this season.
[1:32:10] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:32:11] Speaker 2: Is that a backcourt that you can count on? It
[1:32:15] Speaker 2: depends on.
[1:32:16] Speaker 1: What you count on for what? To win a championship? No.
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: Not a championship. It's not a championship backcourt. No, that's
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Just to entertain the fans and give
[1:32:28] Speaker 1: them something to hope for. They are definitely... Dame and
[1:32:34] Speaker 1: CJ McCullough type like they got that energy with two
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: guards gonna go out there and be high powered 100%
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: but to go and say we're gonna win a chip
[1:32:42] Speaker 1: with these two just them two.
[1:32:43] Speaker 3: That's the Lakers and that's what the narrative you're pushing
[1:32:45] Speaker 3: is saying Luke is the guy to lead this team
[1:32:47] Speaker 3: into the future right that's why we brought him that's
[1:32:49] Speaker 3: why we made this blockbuster trade obviously you didn't have
[1:32:50] Speaker 3: to give up a ton to get him but is
[1:32:53] Speaker 3: this now the.
[1:32:53] Speaker 2: Guy hey that you want to put next to him.
[1:32:56] Speaker 3: New ownership, new management we're ushering in the next era
[1:32:59] Speaker 3: of Lakers basketball.
[1:33:00] Speaker 2: Good luck.
[1:33:01] Speaker 6: But whatever it is, it better be championship because When
[1:33:05] Speaker 6: they brought Bron in here, what did he do? He
[1:33:07] Speaker 6: won a championship. You brought Luke up in here, you
[1:33:09] Speaker 6: better win a championship. It ain't no shortcut for nobody.
[1:33:13] Speaker 6: You're the superstar. You're the guy now. Every star that comes,
[1:33:17] Speaker 6: if you want to be the star here, you better
[1:33:19] Speaker 6: win a championship.
[1:33:20] Speaker 2: Got you.
[1:33:22] Speaker 1: Everybody.
[1:33:23] Speaker 2: Real question. Do you think they can win with Luke?
[1:33:27] Speaker 1: Do I think they can win a championship?
[1:33:28] Speaker 2: Do you think the Los Angeles Lakers can win as
[1:33:31] Speaker 2: Luke being your number one?
[1:33:33] Speaker 1: I don't want to be that I'm asking.
[1:33:37] Speaker 6: With Luka being the number one option, can they win
[1:33:39] Speaker 6: a championship? Depends on his supporting cast.
[1:33:42] Speaker 1: Depends on his fucking supporting cast. That's a good answer.
[1:33:46] Speaker 1: That's a bailout answer.
[1:33:49] Speaker 6: No, because I'm looking at what he had at Dallas
[1:33:52] Speaker 6: and how they got there. So I can't say they
[1:33:56] Speaker 6: cannot win it with him being the number one option.
[1:33:58] Speaker 6: He got there with Dallas being the number one option.
[1:34:00] Speaker 6: And he ran into Boston, yes, but.
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: Depends on who you got. Depends on who's around them. Yeah,
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: that's facts. And I trust the Lakers to put people around.
[1:34:08] Speaker 2: Him, though. So with AR.
[1:34:11] Speaker 7: Being next to him, is that so?
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: No.
[1:34:16] Speaker 2: But wait.
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: But wait. But wait. Let's upgrade it. He is not
[1:34:23] Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. Can I add to that? Okay, so he's
[1:34:26] Speaker 1: not Kyrie, and I love that because you have to
[1:34:29] Speaker 1: add to the backside of that. If you're going to
[1:34:32] Speaker 1: say he's not Kyrie, That means we got to have
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: more than Gafford. We got to have more than live.
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: We got to have more than PJ Washington to say
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: we can, even though you're not Kyrie, but we got
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: somebody else that's offsetting the things that Luca didn't have
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: in Dallas. Yeah, I got Kyrie, but we ain't got
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: much of anything else that's going to help us take
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: it over the top. But if I get something more
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: than a Gafford and a lively and a PJ Washington,
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: I think he could, possibly. For sure. I think you
[1:35:05] Speaker 1: still need him.
[1:35:08] Speaker 2: I think it's somebody else in the spot.
[1:35:10] Speaker 1: It would have been crazy if he was healthy, though,
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: this player. I guess the hurt OKC.
[1:35:16] Speaker 2: Get you a Kawhi Leonard.
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: I mean, get you somebody like that.
[1:35:21] Speaker 2: You get you a Kawhi Leonard, you can win with
[1:35:23] Speaker 2: a Gafford and a Lively and a P.J. Washington. You
[1:35:26] Speaker 2: get you a Kawhi Leonard.
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: If you replace Luke Kyrie?
[1:35:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, if Luka, Kawhi, Gafford, that kind of a situation,
[1:35:38] Speaker 2: then yeah.
[1:35:39] Speaker 3: You still have a max level spot even with Reeves coming.
[1:35:42] Speaker 3: Let's say Reeves took that full deal. I think you
[1:35:44] Speaker 3: still have somewhere close to a max level spot.
[1:35:47] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown or Luka.
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: That works. I'm going to look at what made it
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: work for Dallas. It's like, what made it work for
[1:35:57] Speaker 1: Luka and Kyrie?
[1:35:58] Speaker 2: Because Kyrie's the number one. He's just a 1.8.
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: He averaged 26 that year.
[1:36:03] Speaker 2: He's a 1.8.
[1:36:03] Speaker 1: Right. He's a 1.8.
[1:36:04] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown is a 1.8. Like, no matter if you–
[1:36:08] Speaker 2: whoever you– Jalen Brown is that.
[1:36:10] Speaker 1: But what was Kyrie missing that Luka also don't have,
[1:36:13] Speaker 1: which was the defensive side.
[1:36:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:36:15] Speaker 1: Right? You bring in a Kawhi or a Jalen Brown,
[1:36:18] Speaker 1: it offsets the things we need.
[1:36:20] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:36:20] Speaker 2: They didn't know when they had– Kyrie had to defend
[1:36:23] Speaker 2: fucking Steph on the biggest stage.
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: No, for sure.
[1:36:26] Speaker 2: So he knows when it's time to defend.
[1:36:28] Speaker 1: I got him.
[1:36:28] Speaker 2: I got him.
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got him.
[1:36:30] Speaker 2: And I think that's what Jalen Brown brings to the
[1:36:32] Speaker 2: table as well.
[1:36:32] Speaker 4: So where– what is– Oklahoma City and San Antonio and
[1:36:36] Speaker 4: the Knicks, what do those three teams have in common
[1:36:38] Speaker 4: in the backcourt? All three of those teams. They're loaded
[1:36:42] Speaker 4: with wing-type, point guard-type defenders. They're just loaded. They got
[1:36:47] Speaker 4: five or six of.
[1:36:50] Speaker 1: Them.
[1:36:50] Speaker 4: The problem with Luka and AR is neither one of
[1:36:53] Speaker 4: them defend much at all. And I do think AR tries,
[1:36:57] Speaker 4: but he gets hunted like crazy. Every time I'm watching,
[1:36:59] Speaker 4: somebody's hunting AR. And it's just, if you're going to pay...
[1:37:04] Speaker 4: The Max DeLuca and $ 40 million a year, whatever it's
[1:37:07] Speaker 4: going to be, to AR, man, it's just handicapped on
[1:37:11] Speaker 4: defense where it's fun to watch on offense because they're
[1:37:13] Speaker 4: good together, those two. They have high IQ, and they
[1:37:18] Speaker 4: feed off each other, and they enjoy playing together. So
[1:37:23] Speaker 4: with Austin Reeves, because I watched him a lot because
[1:37:26] Speaker 4: I'm from Oklahoma City. I like the University of Oklahoma,
[1:37:29] Speaker 4: so I watched him play college basketball a lot. He
[1:37:33] Speaker 4: has improved more than any college to pro player I
[1:37:36] Speaker 4: have ever seen times 10 because he was undrafted because
[1:37:42] Speaker 4: he couldn't shoot in college. He was a 29% three-point shooter.
[1:37:48] Speaker 4: And I don't know what got into him. I think
[1:37:50] Speaker 4: LeBron got into him because LeBron loved him right away
[1:37:52] Speaker 4: and kind of took him under his wing. And all
[1:37:55] Speaker 4: of a sudden, Austin Reeves looks like you could just
[1:37:58] Speaker 4: see in his body language, like, wait, I can't. I
[1:38:02] Speaker 4: think I can play.
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: You can do it, yeah. I think I can do this.
[1:38:04] Speaker 1: For sure.
[1:38:05] Speaker 4: And wait, I can make these shots. And all of
[1:38:08] Speaker 4: a sudden, you were asking about J.J. Early in the year,
[1:38:13] Speaker 4: he made his money in those first, you know, remember
[1:38:15] Speaker 4: without Luka and LeBron, and he goes, what was it,
[1:38:20] Speaker 4: 51 at Sacramento, and the next night 41 against Portland
[1:38:23] Speaker 4: with neither of his running mates. And then he had
[1:38:27] Speaker 4: 44 at Toronto with just LeBron. I mean, this is
[1:38:31] Speaker 4: some big stuff that's going on where the rest of
[1:38:34] Speaker 4: the league is saying, wait a second.
[1:38:36] Speaker 1: And J.J.
[1:38:37] Speaker 4: Got offended at the question of Is he making a
[1:38:41] Speaker 4: lot of money now for himself, potentially? And he said,
[1:38:44] Speaker 4: wait a second, last year, not this past year, but
[1:38:47] Speaker 4: he's going back two years ago, J.J. Redick said he proved,
[1:38:50] Speaker 4: and he said this in the media session, which surprised
[1:38:53] Speaker 4: me he'd go this far, but he said he proved
[1:38:55] Speaker 4: last year he was a bad MF. That's what he said.
[1:38:59] Speaker 4: That he did it not this year early, but two
[1:39:02] Speaker 4: years ago, he proved he was a bad MF in
[1:39:06] Speaker 4: this league.
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:39:07] Speaker 4: But that's only offensive, handle, shot making. There's some Dylan
[1:39:12] Speaker 4: Harper stuff going on at the rim. You know, he's
[1:39:15] Speaker 4: got that. And yet it's all offense. And I don't
[1:39:19] Speaker 4: know how far you can get in the postseason with
[1:39:23] Speaker 4: those two in your backcourt playing no defense.
[1:39:26] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:39:27] Speaker 2: Luka and Kyrie.
[1:39:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, okay. Luka and Kyrie.
[1:39:30] Speaker 4: They did, but they both got hot shooting.
[1:39:33] Speaker 1: Let me confirm that.
[1:39:34] Speaker 4: And Luka was hot from three, which he never is.
[1:39:37] Speaker 4: And then he got to the finals and shot 24%
[1:39:39] Speaker 4: from three, and they were gone in five games.
[1:39:42] Speaker 1: But you're looking at two coaches who are former players
[1:39:44] Speaker 1: who formulate schemes and strategies to protect their stars. Jason
[1:39:50] Speaker 1: Kidd did that in the finals, trying to protect, well,
[1:39:53] Speaker 1: not the finals, but the conference finals.
[1:39:55] Speaker 4: Against Minnesota.
[1:39:56] Speaker 1: When they actually protected, and Luka looked like a defender
[1:39:59] Speaker 1: in certain games. Sometimes. He looked like he was buying
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: into the concept of team. So JJ is not too
[1:40:04] Speaker 1: far off from understanding schemes as Jason Kidd does. And
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: he can understand, all right, we need to hide AR.
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: We need to hide Luka. But we also need guys
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: in our lineup that understand how to protect them. Marcus Smart.
[1:40:19] Speaker 1: You need some other defensive guys other than.
[1:40:22] Speaker 2: Got to hide two guys. It's hard, man. Hide two.
[1:40:26] Speaker 1: But Jason had to hide two. He had to hide
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: Kyrie and Luka. Yeah. For the whole thing. Yeah.
[1:40:31] Speaker 2: They were trying to put Kyrie in the post, yeah.
[1:40:33] Speaker 1: But he had to hide them.
[1:40:34] Speaker 2: There's ways to do that, but trying to hide two
[1:40:36] Speaker 2: guys on the perimeter is tough. In this NBA, it's tough.
[1:40:40] Speaker 2: So Christian Brown got five for 125.
[1:40:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:40:45] Speaker 2: He a better defender than– Oh, way better.
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[1:40:49] Speaker 2: Christian Brown from– Absolutely. He got five– He's not lying, bro.
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: No, he did.
[1:40:53] Speaker 2: He just looked it up.
[1:40:54] Speaker 1: But you say Reeves is a much better offensive player.
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: I don't say he's– I think he is.
[1:40:59] Speaker 2: Austin Reeves? Much better. He's a better offensive player.
[1:41:02] Speaker 1: Christian Brown– Christian Brown averaged 12 and 5 this year. Yeah.
[1:41:04] Speaker 2: Denver deserved to lose every game. No, but it's a
[1:41:06] Speaker 2: different basketball player. It's a different basketball player. He got
[1:41:09] Speaker 2: five for 125. Five for 120 what?
[1:41:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. Kristen Brown. Mm-hmm. And what did Christian Brown average
[1:41:19] Speaker 1: last year? Oh, my God.
[1:41:20] Speaker 3: Last year, he averaged 15, four rebounds. The year before that. No,
[1:41:23] Speaker 3: this ain't even cool, bro. So, this season, he averaged 12.
[1:41:25] Speaker 3: Last season, 15.
[1:41:26] Speaker 2: So, he got paid from the 15.
[1:41:28] Speaker 1: He got paid from the 15. What about the year
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: before that? So, rookie year, he averaged five. He won it.
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: Second year, he averaged seven. So, we're from five to 15.
[1:41:35] Speaker 1: Five to seven. But he went from five to 15.
[1:41:37] Speaker 1: Five to seven.
[1:41:38] Speaker 2: He won the championship his rookie year. He won the championship. So,
[1:41:41] Speaker 2: it's five, seven, 15?
[1:41:41] Speaker 3: So, he averaged five his rookie year, seven. His second year, 15.
[1:41:44] Speaker 3: His third year. Seven to 15. And then 12 this season.
[1:41:46] Speaker 1: And 12. A hundred and... That's good negotiations. 125, though.
[1:41:50] Speaker 2: That's good negotiations.
[1:41:51] Speaker 1: You average 15 shooting 58% from the field.
[1:41:52] Speaker 2: What's that a year?
[1:41:53] Speaker 1: That's 25 a year, bro. That's good negotiations.
[1:41:54] Speaker 9: But if you're Austin Reeves now, if he's averaging 12...
[1:42:04] Speaker 9: So 15 a game, Nick.
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: It's 15 a game.
[1:42:07] Speaker 2: No, it's not.
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: You're getting 15 a game.
[1:42:09] Speaker 5: You're getting 25 a year.
[1:42:12] Speaker 1: No, no, more than 25. But think about how much
[1:42:16] Speaker 1: they've given out, right? And compared to how much he
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: could get if he really went to X. With 15
[1:42:23] Speaker 1: points a game?
[1:42:24] Speaker 5: That's the max he could get. Was he going to
[1:42:27] Speaker 5: pay Christian Brown 200?
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: 30 a year?
[1:42:29] Speaker 2: Chad averaged 15 and 7, got 250.
[1:42:31] Speaker 1: Come on, man. They giving out money. He averaged 15.
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: They averaged the same amount of points.
[1:42:35] Speaker 2: But he averaged 15 and 7. And he was an.
[1:42:37] Speaker 1: All-star, too.
[1:42:38] Speaker 2: Christian Brown is... 15 and 7. Come on, man.
[1:42:46] Speaker 1: We're not going to pay Christian Brown a check.
[1:42:49] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: I'm not saying you wrong for being in disbelief. I'm
[1:42:53] Speaker 1: saying if you think about it, they're giving out money.
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: They're giving it out.
[1:42:58] Speaker 2: I was in disbelief with Chet's $ 250. You can be
[1:43:02] Speaker 2: in disbelief. Try your coming back.
[1:43:04] Speaker 5: I'm about to do something. $ 125 for Christian Brown.
[1:43:09] Speaker 1: He thinks he's Chelsea Clinton.
[1:43:10] Speaker 5: Well, all three is getting $ 250.
[1:43:13] Speaker 1: Arthur Rizzo.
[1:43:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I was trying to.
[1:43:15] Speaker 1: Arthur Rizzo getting everything.
[1:43:17] Speaker 2: So I'm just.
[1:43:17] Speaker 1: I would. With all these conversations, if I'm Arthur Rizzo
[1:43:20] Speaker 1: and his team.
[1:43:21] Speaker 2: I would.
[1:43:22] Speaker 1: I would. That's negotiation. You gave him this. You got
[1:43:26] Speaker 1: Josh Giddey. You still got Cam Thomas and Quentin Grimes
[1:43:30] Speaker 1: who didn't get anything. If they wanted to compare what's-the-name's contract,
[1:43:34] Speaker 1: that 5-for-125, it was like.
[1:43:36] Speaker 1: Y'all gave him that? You can't give me this?
[1:43:38] Speaker 3: We talked about the Jalen Brown-Austin Reeves comp previously.
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: You can't give me nothing? Jalen Brown's getting a max
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: deal average at 22, 23. If I'm Reeves, I'm averaging
[1:43:47] Speaker 1: 23 right now. For sure. It's all negotiations.
[1:43:50] Speaker 2: I'm going to the Lakers and I want 240.
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: You got to.
[1:43:53] Speaker 2: I'm going to the Lakers and I'm asking for 240.
[1:43:57] Speaker 2: I need five for 240.
[1:43:59] Speaker 1: If not, I'll take this four for 170.
[1:44:00] Speaker 2: I'm going to take this four for 170 from over
[1:44:03] Speaker 2: there and I'm dipping.
[1:44:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, he start. I didn't know he averaged 15, though.
[1:44:06] Speaker 1: I ain't going to hold you. He don't look like it. No,
[1:44:09] Speaker 1: at all. But that's Joker. That's all Joker passes and
[1:44:12] Speaker 1: wide-open threes. He ain't going to get buckets. He just–
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: Cutting and slashing. Yeah, cutting and slashing. This is crazy.
[1:44:19] Speaker 1: 15 in the first.
[1:44:19] Speaker 2: Doing his job.
[1:44:20] Speaker 1: That was easy. Play without the ball. Shooting 58 balls.
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: That was easy.
[1:44:24] Speaker 2: Back in the day, move without the ball.
[1:44:25] Speaker 1: You'll get it. You can get 15 like that.
[1:44:27] Speaker 2: Move without the ball. That's still not– If you're playing
[1:44:29] Speaker 2: with the best pass in the.
[1:44:30] Speaker 1: League, move without the ball. Move without the ball. Run. Run.
[1:44:32] Speaker 1: I am moving.
[1:44:33] Speaker 2: Get ahead of the ball. He's throwing that bitch ahead.
[1:44:36] Speaker 1: He's doing all of that. I'm not saying a damn thing,
[1:44:38] Speaker 1: big fella. I'm going to find a way to get
[1:44:41] Speaker 1: over you. Don't worry. You're going to see me. You
[1:44:44] Speaker 1: lost to Minnesota with no hand, man. Thanks. I'm already paid.
[1:44:51] Speaker 1: I ain't worried about who we lose to. You got
[1:44:53] Speaker 1: a ring, right?
[1:44:54] Speaker 2: Yes, you got a ring. In college and the pros.
[1:44:57] Speaker 2: Who you lose to in college? Kansas.
[1:44:59] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:45:00] Speaker 1: All right.
[1:45:02] Speaker 3: One last topic before we call it a day. It's
[1:45:04] Speaker 3: our last show for the week. We will be back
[1:45:06] Speaker 3: next week with a little golfing before we do come back.
[1:45:09] Speaker 3: Shout out to Mr. B.
[1:45:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to A, man. Brandon, A, listen, man.
[1:45:12] Speaker 2: I want to get A. This man does it well
[1:45:16] Speaker 2: in golf events.
[1:45:18] Speaker 1: I try.
[1:45:18] Speaker 2: His first when he put on All-Star Weekend.
[1:45:20] Speaker 1: Was short notice. He don't do shit well.
[1:45:22] Speaker 2: This one he had months to put on. He has
[1:45:25] Speaker 2: a father's day golf event on Monday, man. And I'm
[1:45:28] Speaker 2: looking forward to it.
[1:45:29] Speaker 1: Why don't you interrupt and say he's sucking and doing
[1:45:31] Speaker 1: all the shit you just told me?
[1:45:32] Speaker 2: Looking forward to this golf event on Monday.
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: You going to do all that? I'm going to let
[1:45:37] Speaker 1: him slide because he's scared. Because the way he put
[1:45:40] Speaker 1: it on. Because he's scared.
[1:45:41] Speaker 2: You want to respect me?
[1:45:42] Speaker 1: He's an all-star. That's incredible. That's incredible. That's incredible. You're
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: just going to let him slide. You're just going to
[1:45:48] Speaker 1: let him. He's doing the same thing that I was doing.
[1:45:50] Speaker 1: He's doing the same. You going to let him slide
[1:45:53] Speaker 1: because he done thread your ass already. Don't you look
[1:45:56] Speaker 1: at me, Nick. Don't you look at me, Nick.
[1:45:57] Speaker 2: That's insane.
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: You suck. That's insane. He do do the best. He
[1:46:12] Speaker 1: starts shaking these bitches. Hey, the golf event? I got
[1:46:16] Speaker 1: to wake your ass up for that. You're going to
[1:46:18] Speaker 1: let that nigga walk right across the plane. Let out nothing.
[1:46:22] Speaker 1: He said, hold on.
[1:46:22] Speaker 2: Everybody getting it today.
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: 42 kids got involved. I'm just saying. You let that
[1:46:30] Speaker 1: man come out on there. You having that whole shit
[1:46:33] Speaker 1: and everything. Thank you, thank you. We'll get nothing. We'll
[1:46:37] Speaker 1: get nothing anyway. Yeah. You got to say it with me, though.
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: He shit these bitches. He do the best.
[1:46:45] Speaker 2: I wasn't shaking. That was Josiah.
[1:46:47] Speaker 1: That was Josiah. That was Josiah, dog.
[1:46:49] Speaker 2: You suck.
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: It's Blaze Wednesday, Swag. I hate you, for sure. Never
[1:46:58] Speaker 1: shaking your hand again. Don't even think about it. Can't wait,
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: can't wait. Is there anybody you would like to glaze
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: on Glaze Wednesdays?
[1:47:08] Speaker 4: No, I love everybody on this couch.
[1:47:11] Speaker 2: You're glazing, you're glazing.
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: The GM told.
[1:47:14] Speaker 5: Me to ask y'all this question. They said, would you
[1:47:16] Speaker 5: trade Fox for Zion right now?
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: Oh, shit. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
[1:47:25] Speaker 2: I said that. Hell yeah.
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: Then we have to put Dylan Harper at the point,
[1:47:30] Speaker 1: which is cool. He's going to have to develop anyway.
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: That would be crazy.
[1:47:34] Speaker 2: That would be insane.
[1:47:34] Speaker 1: That would be insane. For sure. For sure. I had
[1:47:38] Speaker 1: to ask y'all that. For sure. I love that. I
[1:47:42] Speaker 1: love that. That made me say the same thing.
[1:47:46] Speaker 3: I love it. It sounds like a value for our
[1:47:49] Speaker 3: fitness level question. What's the Dante.
[1:47:52] Speaker 1: Murray contract look like? New Orleans need a point guard?
[1:47:56] Speaker 1: Think about that. And he could be free in New Orleans. Orlando.
[1:48:01] Speaker 1: That's a graveyard for him again. That's like going from
[1:48:03] Speaker 1: sack to New Orleans. But he's in a graveyard now.
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: I like deep box up in Orlando. DeJounte player option
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: in 2027, so he's got one more. What are you making?
[1:48:11] Speaker 3: 33 this year and then 31 on the player option.
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: Him and Zion around what? You got Poole making 34
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: next year. See?
[1:48:20] Speaker 2: DeJounte back to San Antonio. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[1:48:23] Speaker 1: DeJounte and fucking Zion for D-Fox?
[1:48:27] Speaker 4: So why would New Orleans do that?
[1:48:28] Speaker 1: Because Fox still got a name. Do you believe in
[1:48:33] Speaker 1: Zion still? Yes. How old is he? He's not even 25.
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: All these restrictions on the contract. You're doing all this
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: other shit with him. And you got somebody that's going
[1:48:44] Speaker 1: to play? That'd be a hell of a trade though.
[1:48:46] Speaker 1: You got to throw some other teams in. Throw some
[1:48:48] Speaker 1: other teams in. That's what I said. That's why I
[1:48:51] Speaker 1: had to act on that. That's why I had to
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: act on that. Orlando need a point guard. Oh, shit.
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: We can fix something. Take him. Take Zion and Wimby, bro. Wagner. Wagner,
[1:48:59] Speaker 1: the New Orleans.
[1:49:00] Speaker 2: I like him. I like him in San Antonio, too.
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: That's when I heard that. I said, ooh, that don't sound.
[1:49:07] Speaker 2: I like Bron in that spot better, but I like Zion.
[1:49:11] Speaker 2: Zion will be over the top.
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: Over the top. Zion and Wimby. Get the fuck out
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: of here. I'll move to San Antonio for sure. Give
[1:49:22] Speaker 1: me a little spot down there. We're going to turn up. Pop,
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: I apologize.
[1:49:27] Speaker 2: I apologize. LeBron K, sir. But I'm walking, walking. I said,
[1:49:31] Speaker 2: think about that.
[1:49:32] Speaker 1: That motherfucker flying like that. Don't sleep on the magic
[1:49:35] Speaker 1: as a dark horse for Giannis, too.
[1:49:36] Speaker 2: Really?
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: Really. Who? Sean Sweeney, I think, was his original player
[1:49:40] Speaker 1: development guy back in the day. Oh, Sweeney, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:49:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, Sweeney was that guy.
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, Sweeney was that guy.
[1:49:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, Sweeney was that with J.K.
[1:49:46] Speaker 1: He's a good coach, too, by the way. I mean,
[1:49:48] Speaker 1: he's a good detail guy.
[1:49:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, he was that with J.K. Yeah, so I'm just saying, like.
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: Little Scott Scowls, that's why. He reminded me of Little.
[1:49:53] Speaker 2: Scott Scowls when I was... Little Scottie?
[1:49:56] Speaker 1: Little Scott Scowls. Bro, fuck all thinking about just fast break.
[1:49:59] Speaker 1: Just do it, yeah.
[1:50:00] Speaker 2: Fast break. Them castle and all them.
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: Come on, man. That's nasty. Who the fuck had told
[1:50:06] Speaker 1: you that? Who the fuck said that? He's like, Zion
[1:50:10] Speaker 1: to the Spurs. Whoa. Whoa. They gave you some material. Yeah.
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: His name Nick, too. Shout out to Coach Nick.
[1:50:18] Speaker 2: Two Nicks.
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: Damn, that's cold. They need to go ahead and explore that. Skip,
[1:50:24] Speaker 1: how would you feel about a Darren Fox versus Zion
[1:50:26] Speaker 1: Williamson trade? I just.
[1:50:28] Speaker 4: If I'm New Orleans, I would laugh at the prospect
[1:50:31] Speaker 4: of that. I just wouldn't do it. But I'm a
[1:50:33] Speaker 4: Zion believer. I just think he's just getting started, to
[1:50:37] Speaker 4: your points.
[1:50:39] Speaker 5: But how long are we going to keep saying he's
[1:50:40] Speaker 5: just getting started, New Orleans?
[1:50:42] Speaker 1: What is it, six season? Yeah. At least you'll get
[1:50:45] Speaker 1: an all-star. Fox, you could get. Seven.
[1:50:49] Speaker 2: Turning 26 in July. Just finished his seventh year. Get
[1:50:53] Speaker 2: another pick. Yeah, they play six. Spurs got picks.
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: Six.
[1:50:57] Speaker 4: But is De'Aaron Fox one of those guys who's really
[1:50:59] Speaker 4: good for a bad team? Like is that who he is?
[1:51:03] Speaker 4: Is that kind of what he will end up being?
[1:51:07] Speaker 4: Like you'll say, boy, he was really good in Sacramento. And?
[1:51:10] Speaker 2: That's it.
[1:51:11] Speaker 6: Yeah, but Sacramento was about, you don't think Sacramento was
[1:51:14] Speaker 6: going to take that.
[1:51:16] Speaker 2: After they lost to the... I thought so.
[1:51:18] Speaker 1: They was number two in the West that year that
[1:51:21] Speaker 1: Mike Brown was the number three seed. But it was
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: taking the steps, though.
[1:51:28] Speaker 6: I feel like they were going to, with him and,
[1:51:29] Speaker 6: what's the lefty, the big?
[1:51:32] Speaker 2: Sabonis. Him, Sabonis. On the Stairmaster. Fucking Jacob's Ladder.
[1:51:37] Speaker 1: Nah, they was... Nah, with him.
[1:51:40] Speaker 2: They were surprised.
[1:51:41] Speaker 1: They were surprised. They were like Houston right now. They were.
[1:51:44] Speaker 1: With him and Malik, you know?
[1:51:46] Speaker 2: That was before Malik. That was before. It was before.
[1:51:49] Speaker 1: It was him, Sabonis... No, Malik came there. He came there.
[1:51:52] Speaker 1: But it was before when they had that third, when
[1:51:55] Speaker 1: they was ranked third. It was three seed, lost to
[1:51:57] Speaker 1: Golden State. It was Fox, Sabonis, Keegan, and it was
[1:52:03] Speaker 1: somebody else they had that was solid. It was... Let
[1:52:06] Speaker 1: me see. It was Buffalo. He was there. Was that 2021?
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: It was Harrison was there. I think he was. Oh, yeah.
[1:52:14] Speaker 1: I want to say it was somebody else that was
[1:52:15] Speaker 1: dynamic for them. I'm pulling it on Brandon. I thought
[1:52:20] Speaker 1: he came later.
[1:52:21] Speaker 3: Harrison Barnes there, Keegan Murray, Kevin Herter was there, Malik
[1:52:25] Speaker 3: Monk was there.
[1:52:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, he got paid there after that, yeah. They decided
[1:52:29] Speaker 1: between him and A.R. Davion Mitchell was there. Davion played
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: well off the bench. He did. Mm-hmm.
[1:52:36] Speaker 2: He was defending. Yep.
[1:52:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Sacramento was on their way, though. Yeah,
[1:52:41] Speaker 1: they had.
[1:52:41] Speaker 2: The light at the end. Yeah, it was a light
[1:52:44] Speaker 2: at the end of the tunnel.
[1:52:45] Speaker 1: It was solid.
[1:52:46] Speaker 2: It was a train coming.
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: It was solid. I think it was solid. To be
[1:52:50] Speaker 1: solid like that in the West, be third in the West,
[1:52:53] Speaker 1: in Sacramento, with Mike Brown coaching you.
[1:52:56] Speaker 6: Back when the Ghosts, they were still making a run,
[1:52:57] Speaker 6: and it was still, I don't know.
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. I think they gave up, too. What year
[1:53:02] Speaker 1: was that, 2002? It was just like, you know. Houston
[1:53:06] Speaker 1: ran into the Lakers. Wait, that was 2023. Yeah, that
[1:53:08] Speaker 1: was three years ago.
[1:53:09] Speaker 2: And they ain't sniffed. They've been in the basement of
[1:53:12] Speaker 2: the fucking conference since. Since they made the playoffs, they've
[1:53:16] Speaker 2: been in the basement.
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: They got traded. They got rid of everybody.
[1:53:19] Speaker 2: Okay, they've been in the basement.
[1:53:21] Speaker 1: They still had D-Fox. Was Halliburton on that team? Yeah. Damn,
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: I thought Halliburton was on that team.
[1:53:27] Speaker 4: Was he for a minute?
[1:53:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, he was.
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: For a quick second before they traded, that's when they
[1:53:31] Speaker 1: got Sabonis.
[1:53:32] Speaker 2: Sabonis was.
[1:53:33] Speaker 1: In Indiana. Okay. I think it's Sacramento. I just think
[1:53:38] Speaker 1: it's Sacramento just in general. It ain't nothing to do
[1:53:40] Speaker 1: with D-Fox.
[1:53:40] Speaker 6: I think if D-Fox go to Orlando or go somewhere else,
[1:53:43] Speaker 6: he's going to be fine. I just think him playing
[1:53:45] Speaker 6: with the Spurs, that's a lot of fun. Man, them
[1:53:47] Speaker 6: young dogs just ended up being.
[1:53:48] Speaker 1: What they thought. For sure.
[1:53:51] Speaker 2: I like him in Orlando.
[1:53:52] Speaker 1: I do too.
[1:53:53] Speaker 2: I like D-Fox in Orlando. They need a point guard.
[1:53:55] Speaker 2: They need the point guard. Put the ball in somebody's
[1:53:57] Speaker 2: hand down there.
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, I like him with Bane, Paulo, Wendell Carter. I
[1:54:00] Speaker 1: like him in Milwaukee if Giannis goes somewhere.
[1:54:04] Speaker 2: Anthony Black, though, coming on strong.
[1:54:05] Speaker 1: I like Anthony Black, too, so that's why I don't
[1:54:07] Speaker 1: want to impede on his progression.
[1:54:09] Speaker 2: You can keep him. He's still on the rookie deal.
[1:54:13] Speaker 1: From Duncanville High School. Man, I don't want to go
[1:54:15] Speaker 1: nowhere with nobody breathing down my back. I don't want
[1:54:19] Speaker 1: to do that again.
[1:54:20] Speaker 5: I don't want to go nowhere with nobody breathing down
[1:54:22] Speaker 5: my back again.
[1:54:23] Speaker 1: It's black. Y'all know how black is coming up. Or Milwaukee.
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: I mean, if they get rid of Giannis, it's going
[1:54:30] Speaker 1: to be... Milwaukee ain't got no way, but to me,
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: Milwaukee kind of like New Orleans. That's what I'm saying.
[1:54:35] Speaker 1: I'm going to say, if you go to Milwaukee, I
[1:54:37] Speaker 1: go to New Orleans. Yeah. They got some young killers
[1:54:40] Speaker 1: down there in New Orleans. They just real young. It
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: just depends on what Milwaukee get back for Giannis.
[1:54:45] Speaker 2: They're not going to give a shit.
[1:54:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, that too. Yeah, they ain't getting nothing back for Giannis.
[1:54:49] Speaker 1: If he go to Miami, they're going to get a
[1:54:51] Speaker 1: little bit. If he go to fucking Boston. I mean,
[1:54:54] Speaker 1: if he go to Miami, they get Tyler Herro.
[1:54:55] Speaker 2: They get Dump.
[1:54:56] Speaker 1: I mean, they get. Leather Brown ain't going to Milwaukee. Yeah,
[1:54:58] Speaker 1: Janet Brown. They're going to have to move Kaminga and
[1:55:00] Speaker 1: all them niggas in Atlanta. Yeah. They're going to do
[1:55:03] Speaker 1: some Atlanta. I'm not trading. Yeah. I will.
[1:55:05] Speaker 3: Because Giannis won't out anyway, so. Good place for us
[1:55:07] Speaker 3: to wrap up for today and for this week. Like
[1:55:11] Speaker 3: I mentioned, we'll be at Mr. B's golf tournament next week.
[1:55:13] Speaker 3: I think you guys will be back for the draft
[1:55:15] Speaker 3: on Tuesday, potentially. Show on Wednesday, potentially.
[1:55:20] Speaker 2: Wait, no show tomorrow? We did Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday this week.
[1:55:25] Speaker 1: I was looking forward to coming tomorrow.
[1:55:26] Speaker 2: Had it on my schedule.
[1:55:29] Speaker 1: You had it on your shed? Mm-hmm. You could come.
[1:55:30] Speaker 2: You still have a key fob. You could just come
[1:55:32] Speaker 2: hang out.
[1:55:32] Speaker 1: Nah, the motherfucking gate closed. You can't get in.
[1:55:34] Speaker 2: Can't get in.
[1:55:35] Speaker 1: Don't even think about it. Try it. Try it. I'm
[1:55:37] Speaker 1: going to go hang out at the studio. Bring the work.
[1:55:40] Speaker 1: Bring my work, yeah. Let me show you what it
[1:55:42] Speaker 1: look like in here. Nah. Let me show you some
[1:55:47] Speaker 1: real sparks. Nah.
[1:55:48] Speaker 2: Reason me.
[1:55:48] Speaker 1: Don't get locked out back there.
[1:55:49] Speaker 2: Man, shit.
[1:55:50] Speaker 1: They forget about you.
[1:55:52] Speaker 3: Shout out to everybody in the chat. Shout out to
[1:55:53] Speaker 3: everybody on this couch. Shout out to our amazing, talented
[1:55:55] Speaker 3: crew in the back for bringing you the show every day.
[1:55:58] Speaker 3: This has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[1:56:00] Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week.

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