# The NBA Draft Sparks The BIGGEST Crash Out In Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 26 Jun 2025, 2 h 40 min.

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Gil's Arena Previews The 1st Round of The NBA Draft as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew break down a HUGE night for the NBA as they welcome in the next class of future superstars. They highlight the biggest star of the night in Cooper Flagg as the Duke phenom looks to join the Dallas Mavericks as the #1 pick and react to NBA legends like Allen Iverson and Kendrick Perkins calling him a generational hooper before he even sets foot on an NBA Court. They also continue the conversation on Ace Bailey skipping pre-draft workouts and get real on how his decision to try and pick where he will play could cause him to slip in tonight's draft. Next, they react to The Boston Celtics continuing to purge their championship roster after trading Kristaps Porzingis and Jrue Holiday in back to back days to get under the NBA's 2nd Apron and debate if the C's should continue their teardown with another big move of trading Jaylen Brown or Derrick White or let this team try and compete until Jayson Tatum returns from his torn achilles. They then react to Kyrie Irving agreeing to a longterm extension to remain with the Dallas Mavericks as he rehabs from his torn ACL and debate if Nico Harrison will get the last laugh from the Luka Doncic trade as his team is set with a core of Cooper Flagg, Kyrie and Anthony Davis for the next few seasons, before examining the Kevin Durant trade from the perspective of the Phoenix Suns and discussing the team's next move to try and build around Devin Booker and Jalen Green. Finally, the Gil's Arena Crew crashes out on Stephen A Smith's list of Top 5 players for next season and gives their own breakdown of the best players in the NBA next season. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants, Brandon Jennings & Kenyon Martin Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Connect with a provider at https://Ro.co/Arena and get $15 off your first order Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 0:00:00 – 2 Min Timer 0:02:03 – Show Start 0:02:42 – How Much Money NBA Draft Picks Make 0:08:04 – Gil's Arena Wins A Hashtag Sports Award 0:10:37 – The Boston Celtics Continue Their Fire Sale 0:32:16 – Does Porzingis Make The Hawks Contenders? 0:36:56 – Nets Land A Record 5 1st Round Picks 0:47:31 – Kyrie Lands An Extension With The Mavs 0:50:56 – The 76ers Have A Big Decision To Make 0:55:13 – Will Nico Get The Last Laugh On The Luka Trade? 1:03:13 – The NBA Is Already Calling Cooper Flagg Generational 1:23:32 – Flagg On His Decision To Reclassify 1:31:11 – Ace Bailey CRASHED His Own Draft Stock 1:50:38 – Stephen A's Top 5 Active Players Sparks An All Time Crashout 2:37:21 – MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gills Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Draft day is here, ladies and gentlemen. We got four
[0:09] Speaker 2: draft picks on the couch. How are we feeling?
[0:14] Speaker 1: Good.
[0:15] Speaker 3: Three first rounders. Lotteries. Three lotteries. In the Gilbert Arena.
[0:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's... Listen, we was talking before the show. Hey, man.
[0:26] Speaker 4: Looking at what Cooper Flagg about to give us the
[0:28] Speaker 4: number one pick. Oh my God.
[0:33] Speaker 2: For comparison's sake, Kenyon, I never liked the pocket watch,
[0:36] Speaker 2: but how much did you make as the number one
[0:37] Speaker 2: overall pick in the 2000 draft?
[0:38] Speaker 1: Like 15 or some shit, 25 max, whatever it was.
[0:40] Speaker 1: It wasn't much. It wasn't this.
[0:41] Speaker 4: It wasn't 63. $ 63 million going to Cooper? No, it
[0:43] Speaker 4: was a lot, but not that. 63?
[0:46] Speaker 5: 63 out the gate?
[0:56] Speaker 1: 63 out the gate? Not even... Listen, this is guaranteed.
[1:02] Speaker 1: You had 25. We had like two. This is guaranteed.
[1:05] Speaker 1: 63 out the gate. We was at like two back then.
[1:07] Speaker 1: We was looking up at you like, damn, nigga.
[1:11] Speaker 4: I wish they wouldn't have moved that CBA shit in.
[1:14] Speaker 4: Glenn Robertson and C-Web, J-Kid, all them. 85, 73 out
[1:17] Speaker 4: the door.
[1:22] Speaker 2: If it makes you feel better, I made zero. That's
[1:23] Speaker 2: my rookie deal. Just letting you know. I ain't definitely
[1:27] Speaker 2: ain't talking about nowhere.
[1:28] Speaker 1: Trust me. My reaction when I got drafted said it all, bro. 0.7.
[1:31] Speaker 1: That was a lot for me. My reaction was yes.
[1:36] Speaker 1: You got to cut that in half, too. Right away.
[1:42] Speaker 1: The last pick in the first round this year makes
[1:47] Speaker 1: what you made as the number one pick. That's what
[1:48] Speaker 1: I'm saying.
[1:50] Speaker 2: That's inflation and growth, ladies and gentlemen. Shout out to
[1:52] Speaker 2: Adam Silver at the NBA.
[1:54] Speaker 1: They may get 14 million guaranteed. Damn. Crazy as that. Shit. Well, congrats.
[2:00] Speaker 3: The 30th pick. I mean, the second round. Yes.
[2:03] Speaker 1: There's a second round picks that was like, Bronny James
[2:06] Speaker 1: is guaranteed the nine if he plays all. There's some
[2:09] Speaker 1: that signed for 12 million. Yeah. 12.
[2:13] Speaker 3: Deep in the second round, too, which is crazy.
[2:15] Speaker 1: Like, huh?
[2:16] Speaker 3: But shout out to all.
[2:18] Speaker 6: The players getting drafted tonight.
[2:19] Speaker 1: 300,000. What? It's crazy.
[2:22] Speaker 2: Money is going up. Shout out to all the players
[2:25] Speaker 2: getting drafted tonight. All the women that will be sliding
[2:27] Speaker 2: into their DMs as well. Best of luck to both
[2:28] Speaker 2: of y'all in your quest. But this is Gil's Arena
[2:31] Speaker 2: presented by Underdog. As always, we've got the legend Gilbert
[2:34] Speaker 2: Arenas here with us. Representing Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd University,
[2:40] Speaker 2: we have Mr. B, Brandon Jennings back here with us.
[2:46] Speaker 2: And on this side of the couch is a distinguished
[2:47] Speaker 2: gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick in the
[2:50] Speaker 2: NBA draft, Kenya Martin, back here with.
[2:57] Speaker 1: Us.
[2:58] Speaker 6: And we got the man they call Money Making Sonny,
[3:00] Speaker 6: NCAA Champion of the World.
[3:01] Speaker 1: Rashad McCants.
[3:06] Speaker 2: For all the fans out there, we still got two
[3:07] Speaker 2: viewing options for you, our traditional version, mobile vertical version.
[3:09] Speaker 2: Pick whichever one you want to watch, just make sure
[3:11] Speaker 2: you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today.
[3:16] Speaker 2: A day after trading, Drew Holiday, the Celtics shipped Christoph
[3:18] Speaker 2: Porzingis to the Hawks to shed more salary. Is Boston cooking?
[3:22] Speaker 2: On the verge of being cooked. Also talking about potential
[3:25] Speaker 2: deals in the work for Jalen Brown, Derek White, maybe
[3:28] Speaker 2: a full fire sale over there in Beantown. Kyrie Irving
[3:32] Speaker 2: agreed to a new three-year deal to stay with Dallas.
[3:34] Speaker 2: Will Nico Harrison and the Mavs get the last laugh
[3:37] Speaker 2: for the Luka trade? Shout out Kyrie getting his bag,
[3:40] Speaker 2: working with the team. They got a little bit extra
[3:42] Speaker 2: bread to play with to bring in some more potential options.
[3:44] Speaker 2: And the NBA draft is just hours away. Will Cooper
[3:47] Speaker 2: Flagg live up to the hype? And will Ace Bailey's
[3:50] Speaker 2: decision to not work out for any teams? cause him
[3:53] Speaker 2: to slide. We will get into everything draft related, but
[3:55] Speaker 2: before we get into all that, as always, this show
[3:57] Speaker 2: is brought to you by underdog. Go ahead, download the app,
[3:58] Speaker 2: use promo code Gil, get up to a thousand dollars
[4:00] Speaker 2: in bonus cash, plus a special pick them. And we're
[4:03] Speaker 2: back with another crew partner pack. So as a reminder,
[4:06] Speaker 2: each member of our gills are in a crew has
[4:07] Speaker 2: submitted a pick them that we're combining to create our
[4:09] Speaker 2: partner pack on the underdog app. We'll tally up the
[4:12] Speaker 2: individual picks and the guy with the highest percentage of
[4:14] Speaker 2: accurate picks will receive a large sum of underdog bread
[4:17] Speaker 2: before we take our summer hiatus in a few weeks.
[4:20] Speaker 2: So let's get to today's pack. If we can, please.
[4:24] Speaker 2: Ketel Marte, if I'm saying that right, higher. 5 hits.
[4:28] Speaker 2: That's coming from Sonny. Max Freed, Valley legend. Shout out
[4:32] Speaker 2: Montclair Prep. Higher 5.5 strikeouts. That's coming from Kenyon. Asia Wilson,
[4:38] Speaker 2: higher 9.5 rebounds.
[4:40] Speaker 3: That is a Mr.
[4:41] Speaker 1: B pick.
[4:41] Speaker 2: And Veronica Burton, lower 1.53 made. That is coming from Gil.
[4:46] Speaker 2: So Swaggy Pete was in the arena. He thought he
[4:48] Speaker 2: was working today. Found out he wasn't. Decided to leave
[4:50] Speaker 2: the arena. We have space for him. But Swaggy P
[4:55] Speaker 2: submitted his pick late, but he has Aja Wilson higher
[4:57] Speaker 2: than 19.5 points. Shout out to Swaggy P as well
[5:01] Speaker 2: for putting his pick in. We'll get an updated partner
[5:03] Speaker 2: pack for you guys. How are you all feeling about
[5:04] Speaker 2: your picks this evening and each other's picks?
[5:09] Speaker 1: It's a win or a winner. I think it's a win.
[5:12] Speaker 1: I think it's a win.
[5:13] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[5:15] Speaker 1: I'm 1-1 right now.
[5:16] Speaker 3: Martez at 99 on the game.
[5:16] Speaker 1: I'm 1-1. Yesterday, I didn't. Yesterday.
[5:24] Speaker 2: All right, so we asked to chat. We got some
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[5:28] Speaker 2: or fading with your crew partner pack for this evening. 55%
[5:31] Speaker 2: of the chat riding. I think that is the highest
[5:34] Speaker 2: the chat has been since we started doing these crew
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[5:54] Speaker 2: all the extensive basketball talk, we'd like to announce that
[5:57] Speaker 2: GIL's Arena won the Hashtag Sports Award last night in
[6:00] Speaker 2: the Best Use of Live Video category.
[6:02] Speaker 1: Smoke, man.
[6:03] Speaker 6: Dang it.
[6:07] Speaker 1: Raise the roof. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Where's
[6:11] Speaker 1: the drinks? Where's the party?
[6:13] Speaker 3: Where's the champagne?
[6:14] Speaker 1: Where's the shot?
[6:14] Speaker 6: Get that Arden Prosecco. Shout out to our entire crew. Hey,
[6:18] Speaker 6: I don't even remember what it was.
[6:21] Speaker 1: Hey.
[6:22] Speaker 3: Hey.
[6:23] Speaker 1: To see roll. To see roll. Back drum.
[6:26] Speaker 3: Let's go.
[6:26] Speaker 1: We're capping you off.. 5 shots.
[6:36] Speaker 6: But I want to say thank you to our entire
[6:38] Speaker 6: crew and staff for all the hard work that they
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[6:52] Speaker 1: Oh, shit. I owe $ 1, 000. To who? Nobody. Nobody. Cut
[6:57] Speaker 1: the check. I owe $ 1, 000 because I said if they
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[7:02] Speaker 3: Oh, they got us to number one.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Shout out to all the fans who voted, supported the show.
[7:06] Speaker 2: Gil has $ 1, 000 for one of y'all. Make sure to
[7:09] Speaker 2: jam him up.
[7:10] Speaker 4: 10 with 100?
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[7:16] Speaker 3: So make sure to jam him up and him up only.
[7:19] Speaker 3: Don't ask me for the bread. We'll do it at
[7:20] Speaker 3: the end.
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[7:28] Speaker 1: You take long with them drinks. It's a celebration.
[7:32] Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
[7:32] Speaker 2: We got some leftover thunder cake as well, Guv. You
[7:34] Speaker 2: should have just bring the ball.
[7:36] Speaker 1: We do. We got some more cake.
[7:42] Speaker 3: They are fucking up. Joe, you need one?
[7:45] Speaker 6: No, Guv.
[7:45] Speaker 3: I have youth basketball practice today.
[7:48] Speaker 1: Youth basketball practice is like at five o'clock, fam. Champion.
[7:51] Speaker 1: But it's at five.
[7:53] Speaker 3: Champion.
[7:54] Speaker 1: I drink Kenyans. Champions have things. And I celebrate two times.
[7:57] Speaker 1: I'll drink some water with y'all. Salute. Salute to everybody.
[8:00] Speaker 1: Salute to all the fans. Come on, chat.
[8:04] Speaker 3: Chat, get your drink up.
[8:06] Speaker 1: If you're at work, don't let your boss see you.
[8:09] Speaker 1: Shout out to Lexi, Cheryl, Swaggy.
[8:11] Speaker 4: I just got done talking about you morning drinkers.
[8:14] Speaker 3: The rest of the crew. It ain't morning. It ain't morning.
[8:16] Speaker 1: I ain't no black. It's happy hour somewhere. That wasn't
[8:19] Speaker 1: bad at all.
[8:20] Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
[8:21] Speaker 1: In New York right now, you know they're making a draft.
[8:25] Speaker 3: It's 1130.
[8:25] Speaker 1: Draft day.
[8:26] Speaker 3: Hey, Wig.
[8:26] Speaker 1: That's brunch.
[8:27] Speaker 3: That's like a mimosa.
[8:28] Speaker 1: That wasn't bad. That's a mimosa shot. No, that wasn't bad, though.
[8:32] Speaker 1: Let's get into a little basketball.
[8:34] Speaker 2: So after winning the chip in 2024, Boston Celtics kept
[8:36] Speaker 2: their top nine rotation players this season in a quest
[8:39] Speaker 2: to repeat as champs. But that quest to repeat turned
[8:42] Speaker 2: to defeat. with Boston losing Jason Tatum to a torn
[8:45] Speaker 2: Achilles and getting eliminated by the Knicks in the second round.
[8:47] Speaker 2: So with their new ownership groups facing the prospects of
[8:50] Speaker 2: a combined payroll and luxury tax bill exceeding $ 500 million
[8:54] Speaker 2: next season, the fire sale is underway. Monday, the Celtics
[8:57] Speaker 2: traded Drew Holiday to the Blazers for Ant Simons in
[8:59] Speaker 2: two second-round picks. And Tuesday, they made another move in
[9:02] Speaker 2: a three-team trade, shipping Kristaps Porzingis in a second-rounder to
[9:06] Speaker 2: the Hawks for Georges Niang in a second-rounder. The Nets
[9:09] Speaker 2: got Terrence Mann in the Hawks' 22nd pick in this
[9:11] Speaker 2: year's draft.
[9:13] Speaker 3: As a part of the deal.
[9:14] Speaker 2: So the Holiday and Porzingis trade saved the Celtics $ 180
[9:17] Speaker 2: million in luxury tax while getting them out of the
[9:20] Speaker 2: second apron. So good move for the Celtics to blow
[9:23] Speaker 2: up the roster to get under the second apron.
[9:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, new owners. Yeah, new owners, man. Who paying for
[9:31] Speaker 1: all this?
[9:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, this was them. They paid y'all. This ain't
[9:37] Speaker 4: got nothing to do with me. This ain't got shit
[9:39] Speaker 4: to do with me. I ain't as nice as old boss.
[9:42] Speaker 1: I ain't nice, but I'll come down there and slap
[9:46] Speaker 1: the black off you. Two moves, two days. Two of
[9:51] Speaker 1: their five starters. They ain't done. Yeah, they lost one
[9:55] Speaker 1: of their best players, so they got to do something. Yeah.
[10:00] Speaker 8: We all knew if they didn't win it this year,
[10:01] Speaker 8: I always felt like they was going to make moves.
[10:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, but didn't we say something was weird when they
[10:08] Speaker 1: won a championship, supposed to be going back-to-back, and they
[10:12] Speaker 1: sold the team? You remember we were talking about that earlier.
[10:16] Speaker 4: It was weird, but it was strike-wise hot, though.
[10:21] Speaker 1: If you own a back-to-back, that's a bigger strike. Why
[10:23] Speaker 1: would y'all sell now?
[10:25] Speaker 3: Is something going on?
[10:26] Speaker 2: I think a $ 6 billion deal at that point was
[10:29] Speaker 2: the largest sale. In sports before, the Lakers sold for
[10:33] Speaker 2: a value of $ 10 billion.
[10:34] Speaker 1: You spent $ 6 billion. At the fact that you spent
[10:37] Speaker 1: $ 6 billion, you don't want to have a salary cap
[10:40] Speaker 1: of what you have.
[10:41] Speaker 3: So, obviously, you put all the motherfuckers on sale.
[10:44] Speaker 1: It's hot cake time.
[10:45] Speaker 3: Mavs obviously sold as well. I said Lakers, $ 10 billion.
[10:50] Speaker 1: Valuation.
[10:51] Speaker 3: Put it together. What's going down? Put it all together. Who, who,
[10:57] Speaker 3: and who sold what?
[10:58] Speaker 1: Hmm.
[10:59] Speaker 6: Big market teams. Around the same time. Things that make
[11:04] Speaker 6: you say, Boston sells? The Lakers sold? Majority ownership they'll
[11:16] Speaker 6: still retain. Mark Cuban let it go? Also sold a
[11:20] Speaker 6: majority ownership. That's the real question. To the Sands Corporation.
[11:24] Speaker 6: Some shit going on somewhere.
[11:26] Speaker 1: Or is it just a new era? Or is it
[11:28] Speaker 1: with Adam Silver saying some shit?
[11:32] Speaker 6: Make these moves because it's boring out there. They don't
[11:34] Speaker 6: like the way we're playing. We need to shake some
[11:35] Speaker 6: shit up. Start making some moves.
[11:39] Speaker 1: Or they can be just like Kenny Martin's son. Got
[11:43] Speaker 1: this shit for free. I inherited this shit for free.
[11:47] Speaker 1: That's a free $ 10 billion right there. Right? You spent
[11:52] Speaker 1: the money. To him, it's free. He can sell it
[11:55] Speaker 1: for whatever he wants. That's Jenny Buss. It's a free
[11:57] Speaker 1: $ 10 billion for her. It's not like she... You know
[12:01] Speaker 1: what I mean? Most of these guys think about when
[12:02] Speaker 1: they bought the team versus, you know, so it's really
[12:05] Speaker 1: all profit for them. So... Still get to go to
[12:11] Speaker 1: the games and enjoy them?
[12:13] Speaker 6: When you get off those assets you always wanted to
[12:15] Speaker 6: get off of, you don't have to get blamed for
[12:17] Speaker 6: it now. We can make moves that we should have
[12:20] Speaker 6: made And he going to take the heat because he
[12:22] Speaker 6: ain't know no better. But he's the new guy, so
[12:25] Speaker 6: he going to get over it. We can take two
[12:27] Speaker 6: years to get past that because we're going to bring
[12:29] Speaker 6: in some real guys.
[12:31] Speaker 1: But the shit going to be shaken up. Why would
[12:32] Speaker 1: Prazingis go from there to there? Unless some shit was
[12:36] Speaker 1: going on.
[12:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
[12:37] Speaker 6: We don't know about it. I showed you that shit.
[12:39] Speaker 6: There's a lot of other shit going on, too.
[12:42] Speaker 2: Do you feel like these teams are maybe being overvalued
[12:45] Speaker 2: so these owners are looking, previous owners are looking, saying, shit,
[12:47] Speaker 2: let me get the bread now. Where everybody looks under
[12:50] Speaker 2: the hood and figures out what's really going down. Because
[12:53] Speaker 2: $ 10 billion for the Lakers is... That's too much?
[12:56] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[12:56] Speaker 3: That seems like a lot. You say it seems like
[12:59] Speaker 3: a lot? Yeah.
[13:00] Speaker 1: How much did Bomber pay? Two.
[13:02] Speaker 3: How much did they buy?
[13:03] Speaker 2: He reset the whole market, obviously, with the Donald Sterling situation.
[13:05] Speaker 2: I don't think he did at all. Do you think
[13:07] Speaker 2: about the two franchises, the Lakers would be.
[13:12] Speaker 4: Should be $ 8 billion more.
[13:16] Speaker 3: At the point when he bought them for $ 2 billion,
[13:17] Speaker 3: teams were.
[13:18] Speaker 2: Like $ 500, $ 800 million.
[13:20] Speaker 1: Like Wizards sold for $ 250, $ 300.
[13:21] Speaker 3: It was the lowest sales.
[13:24] Speaker 6: But you see that as a landmark real estate right
[13:27] Speaker 6: there for Balmer. He's like, even though it's in LA
[13:29] Speaker 6: and I might get it for this, it's going to
[13:31] Speaker 6: be valuable.
[13:32] Speaker 1: Because we look who we're beside. Exactly. What's so funny
[13:35] Speaker 1: is he can resell right now and get $ 8 billion.
[13:37] Speaker 6: Yeah, but that was for sure. So he bought them
[13:39] Speaker 6: for $ 2 billion and that became the whole competition. For sure.
[13:41] Speaker 1: Right now, flip it. Just because of that evaluation of
[13:44] Speaker 1: $ 10 billion. Like, God, we can get that too.
[13:46] Speaker 9: Build it and land it.
[13:51] Speaker 1: That's all this has ever been. It's business. It's NBA moving.
[13:54] Speaker 1: They're moving inside the business too. They're making business. He
[13:57] Speaker 1: bought the team for how much? $ 6 billion. Who? Bomber?
[14:00] Speaker 6: Like $ 60 million, $ 65 million back in the day.
[14:03] Speaker 1: His daughter got it for $ 0. She inherits it. So
[14:07] Speaker 1: it's $ 0 for her. $ 10 billion.
[14:10] Speaker 2: That was the talk when Bomber bought the Clippers for $ 2.
[14:12] Speaker 2: If the Clippers were worth $ 2, then what are the
[14:13] Speaker 2: Lakers worth? What are the Yankees worth? What are all
[14:16] Speaker 2: these other franchises? The NFL franchise as well. So it
[14:19] Speaker 2: reset the whole market.
[14:20] Speaker 1: These are the conversations fans don't want to have because
[14:23] Speaker 1: they don't want to admit that this is a business.
[14:27] Speaker 1: So when we're talking about your team want to win, no,
[14:29] Speaker 1: they don't. I've had this conversation with an owner. If
[14:33] Speaker 1: I give you a team for 10 years, guarantee you
[14:37] Speaker 1: five rings in 10 years, you profit $ 500 million, or
[14:41] Speaker 1: 10 years of the same team, and it's $ 2 billion,
[14:45] Speaker 1: which one do you take? $ 2 billion. All day. He
[14:52] Speaker 1: said the five rings is.
[14:54] Speaker 3: For bragging rights. Amongst my peers.
[14:57] Speaker 1: That's all that is.
[14:58] Speaker 3: I'm on the $ 2 billion. It's a business.
[15:00] Speaker 2: When theory of those rings would impact team valuation increasing,
[15:03] Speaker 2: but you also got to pay for parades.
[15:05] Speaker 1: He said it costs money. He said it costs money
[15:09] Speaker 1: to win chips. This is when Boston won. He said
[15:13] Speaker 1: Boston made zero profit because of how much they spent
[15:16] Speaker 1: on KG, all of them. How much do you think
[15:18] Speaker 1: it costs to put on parades?
[15:19] Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask. How much does
[15:21] Speaker 3: it cost to do a parade?
[15:23] Speaker 1: A parade? A parade? The city should pay for it, right?
[15:26] Speaker 1: The city not paying for that shit. What does it cost?
[15:29] Speaker 1: You got to get these two buses. Motherfucker, this is
[15:31] Speaker 1: where we going. Come outside. What? You'll be riding around. Yeah,
[15:35] Speaker 1: you motherfuckers drive your own cars. Let the windows down. Wait.
[15:40] Speaker 1: And just follow somebody. Follow this route. We're going to
[15:43] Speaker 1: take this route. Drive your own car. Hold on. We
[15:47] Speaker 1: need a local dealership today. Donate some converter. Hey, we
[15:52] Speaker 1: need two public motorcycles up front. But that's all it is, man. Listen,
[15:55] Speaker 1: they don't call shit to do no fucking parade. You
[15:57] Speaker 1: really don't want to do no parade? Go buy some
[15:59] Speaker 1: motherfucking pile of them streamers and shit. $ 10, 000. $ 10, 000. Right?
[16:02] Speaker 1: Where they say, ho. The rain dollars. Ho.
[16:07] Speaker 2: Warriors spend like four mil on their parade. Some teams
[16:09] Speaker 2: are cheaper. I'm just letting you know. Just on the
[16:12] Speaker 2: parade part of it. That's pointless. It's a waste of money.
[16:15] Speaker 2: That's my point, though. To win that chip, you gotta
[16:18] Speaker 2: pay all that bread. There's such thing as a bad owner.
[16:21] Speaker 1: A bad owner?
[16:21] Speaker 3: A bad owner?
[16:22] Speaker 1: He's losing money, right?
[16:24] Speaker 3: I mean, it depends on what you.
[16:25] Speaker 1: Mismanagement of... Depends on what.
[16:31] Speaker 6: You're looking for in your owner.
[16:34] Speaker 1: We're looking for a good owner that's making good business.
[16:37] Speaker 1: As far as what?
[16:39] Speaker 6: The evaluation y'all talking about as far as what's a
[16:42] Speaker 6: good price point for a team.
[16:47] Speaker 1: It just depends on when, where, history, all that matters,
[16:50] Speaker 1: I think. So as an owner, what am I valuing?
[16:59] Speaker 6: You said that the rings in comparison to the money.
[17:06] Speaker 1: So just.
[17:09] Speaker 4: Did the Buss family own the land that the Staples
[17:15] Speaker 4: and Crypto was sitting on?
[17:16] Speaker 2: I don't think Staples and Crypto, I want to say
[17:17] Speaker 2: they owned the farmland. They owned the farmland.
[17:20] Speaker 1: So with Dolan, right?
[17:26] Speaker 4: He owns the land that Madison Square Garden is sitting on.
[17:30] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? So that's why it's worth that,
[17:33] Speaker 4: but then the land makes it.
[17:36] Speaker 1: Josiah's point was... You said it under your breath.
[17:40] Speaker 6: You said it so subtly that it didn't hit as
[17:43] Speaker 6: hard as it should have or that winning championships does
[17:46] Speaker 6: increase the evaluation.
[17:47] Speaker 3: It should.
[17:47] Speaker 1: It should.
[17:48] Speaker 6: That's why the $ 10 billion is $ 10 billion for the
[17:51] Speaker 6: Lakers because it's attached to legacy, right?
[17:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:55] Speaker 1: Everything else that we're saying, I'm going.
[17:57] Speaker 6: To take the $ 2 billion because it's more than the legacy.
[18:02] Speaker 6: But when the evaluation hits, I made my money back.
[18:06] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[18:07] Speaker 6: But my evaluation is not going to be higher than that,
[18:09] Speaker 6: which I would.
[18:10] Speaker 1: Have championships attached to it. It could have been.
[18:13] Speaker 6: So for me, I think that the evaluation the owners
[18:15] Speaker 6: have been doing has been taken the wrong way.
[18:17] Speaker 1: As if, like I said, bad owners.
[18:19] Speaker 6: If there could be a bad owner, he could be
[18:21] Speaker 6: making bad decisions by making that decision. taking the money
[18:25] Speaker 6: over to legacy because it's immediate because he's a gambler
[18:29] Speaker 6: or he's a risk taker he wants immediate roi but
[18:32] Speaker 6: to me i'm like i look at the guys who
[18:35] Speaker 6: took those chances with legacy they last longer.
[18:37] Speaker 4: And they cashed out with more i did with these
[18:40] Speaker 4: two franchises that sold boston the only one who don't
[18:45] Speaker 4: have multiple championships and that is dallas right Boston sold
[18:49] Speaker 4: for six. This sold for 10. They have the most
[18:52] Speaker 4: championships in sports. So that's that Boston. Boston got 18.
[18:56] Speaker 4: That lines up. I'm saying that lines up for that.
[18:59] Speaker 4: The market is that lines up. So market for anybody else.
[19:02] Speaker 4: I mean, what if Milwaukee had five championships?
[19:05] Speaker 1: Would that change? No. Would they sell for six? Evaluation
[19:08] Speaker 1: would change for sure. I don't think they would sell
[19:10] Speaker 1: for six or eight. No, they wouldn't. No, they wouldn't.
[19:13] Speaker 1: Their valuation would change from where it is now. It
[19:15] Speaker 1: would not. No, that's what I'm saying. The market is
[19:17] Speaker 1: the market, right?
[19:18] Speaker 3: I think it's the market.
[19:19] Speaker 6: So if it's the market, then the owners who are
[19:23] Speaker 6: actually playing that money game, should they be playing that
[19:26] Speaker 6: money game if you're not in a big market?
[19:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's still a business for me.
[19:30] Speaker 4: A lot of them dudes, that's like second, third, like
[19:33] Speaker 4: they third business that they, like, so it ain't, like
[19:37] Speaker 4: a lot.
[19:37] Speaker 1: Of them dudes, man. So to make winning not a
[19:40] Speaker 1: priority is beneficial? They don't care.
[19:41] Speaker 4: Like, so for a long time, Dolan, this was, so
[19:44] Speaker 4: I'm going to say, so Dolan for a long time
[19:49] Speaker 4: was considered that bad owner that you speak of. As
[19:53] Speaker 4: an owner for... Amongst owners and in the public. Towards
[19:58] Speaker 4: everyone else, he's a bad owner.
[20:00] Speaker 1: He's a bad owner. Besides the other owners.
[20:02] Speaker 4: So because of how he did, how he ran it, right?
[20:07] Speaker 1: It was a fucking business. It was a... It was
[20:10] Speaker 1: a hobby for him, right?
[20:12] Speaker 4: To say that I got this and this is my
[20:14] Speaker 4: new toy, this is my toy, what y'all gonna do?
[20:16] Speaker 4: And the owners loved how he was doing it, going
[20:18] Speaker 4: about it. But amongst the public, everybody thought, what the
[20:22] Speaker 4: fuck is he doing? So he was looked at as that.
[20:28] Speaker 4: I had this conversation with him.
[20:30] Speaker 6: Don't you think because it's New York City, I can
[20:34] Speaker 6: do this?
[20:35] Speaker 1: It's New York City. It eats off itself. I don't
[20:37] Speaker 1: have an incentive other than just to play around. But
[20:40] Speaker 1: imagine if he was winning. That's what I was about
[20:42] Speaker 1: to say.
[20:42] Speaker 6: If he has a championship, doesn't that change not only
[20:45] Speaker 6: his pedigree, his mentality, but the valuation now?
[20:49] Speaker 1: New York City on its own is valued at this.
[20:52] Speaker 1: Imagine when they win. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got
[20:54] Speaker 1: to now use our imagination. It'll be more, definitely. You
[20:57] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? It definitely will be more, but
[20:58] Speaker 1: it's just that hasn't been... New York sold their sale
[21:04] Speaker 1: for what? $ 8? They'll go $ 8.
[21:07] Speaker 3: $ 10?
[21:08] Speaker 1: New York is going $ 9, $ 10 with no ring. No ring.
[21:12] Speaker 6: If they won, we'll go higher than that.
[21:17] Speaker 2: But the Celtics go for $ 6. 1. That was the highest,
[21:19] Speaker 2: I think, sports franchise sales. They have more than the Lakers.
[21:22] Speaker 2: But then the Lakers go for $ 10. But now the
[21:25] Speaker 2: Knicks jump up.
[21:26] Speaker 1: It takes away the whole theory of winning because when
[21:30] Speaker 1: Clippers won. I mean when Clippers sold at two billion
[21:34] Speaker 1: that was damn near triple of any Franchise that was
[21:38] Speaker 1: one got no chance That risk that wasn't because they
[21:40] Speaker 1: were worth that it was when he was willing to
[21:42] Speaker 1: take that he was willing to go in.
[21:43] Speaker 6: I'll take that his sports fans basketball fans sports fan,
[21:45] Speaker 6: whatever he is first and.
[21:57] Speaker 1: He got the money to do it for two. And
[21:59] Speaker 1: it's L.A. And it's L.A.
[22:01] Speaker 6: Fuck, why wouldn't I take this chance? The Clippers are
[22:02] Speaker 6: now valued at $ 5. 5 billion. So that two is already
[22:06] Speaker 6: more than double.
[22:07] Speaker 1: As of March 20th, Cowboys... You gotta be smart about it. Cowboys'
[22:11] Speaker 1: number one franchise is worth $ 16 billion. Goddamn. And when
[22:16] Speaker 1: was the last time they won? 1994. America's team. Remember
[22:20] Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan was a good owner? He couldn't have been.
[22:23] Speaker 1: There's no proof. To who? That's what I'm saying. You
[22:29] Speaker 1: got to think about you and the public. You and
[22:32] Speaker 1: the public is two different opinions. You tell me if
[22:36] Speaker 1: I bought a team for $ 400 million and I sold
[22:41] Speaker 1: for how much? Jordan. Just take it. Whatever it is.
[22:48] Speaker 1: I sold it for billions. In the business community, I'm
[22:52] Speaker 1: a winner. I'm a winner.
[22:53] Speaker 4: The internet of faces is $ 3.
[22:58] Speaker 1: Billion, I believe, is what he told us.
[23:00] Speaker 4: Whatever Indiana pays to sell for right now, it's a win.
[23:02] Speaker 3: It's a win.
[23:03] Speaker 4: Whatever it was, they would— Because whatever they bought it for,
[23:05] Speaker 4: whatever they— Because it was, like, dirt cheap back then.
[23:09] Speaker 2: So let's shift this back to the Celtics talk. Like
[23:12] Speaker 2: buying a franchise, right? Porzingis shipped to the Hawks now.
[23:15] Speaker 2: So Porzingis played 65 games with the Wiz in the
[23:18] Speaker 2: 22-23 season, 57 the next year with the Celtics, 23-24
[23:21] Speaker 2: in that championship run.
[23:23] Speaker 3: I believe he was dealing with a leg injury in that.
[23:25] Speaker 2: And 42 games— this past season while he was dealing
[23:29] Speaker 2: with a mysterious illness that they still haven't quite put
[23:33] Speaker 2: their finger on. So he's only played 70 games one
[23:36] Speaker 2: time in his career, and that was his rookie year
[23:38] Speaker 2: with the Knicks. Was it fair to say that Porzingis'
[23:40] Speaker 2: run in Boston was disappointing or underwhelming.
[23:44] Speaker 3: Based on that move? To who?
[23:46] Speaker 1: He got a ring. I mean, they got so much value.
[23:50] Speaker 3: They won a ring. They won a championship.
[23:51] Speaker 1: A championship. While he was there, I don't know whether
[23:54] Speaker 1: he played a big part of it or not. He
[23:56] Speaker 1: was out there.
[23:56] Speaker 3: He was out there for some of it.
[23:58] Speaker 1: He has a ring.
[23:58] Speaker 3: He has a ring.
[23:59] Speaker 4: So I don't know how you could.
[24:02] Speaker 1: It all depends on what you value. Yeah. That's a
[24:06] Speaker 1: question for him.
[24:07] Speaker 2: Average 19 a game this season. I think shot a
[24:09] Speaker 2: career-high 42% for three in the games he did play.
[24:12] Speaker 1: But.
[24:13] Speaker 3: Largely ineffective in the postseason.
[24:15] Speaker 1: Again, it's for him.
[24:16] Speaker 3: What is he seeking?
[24:17] Speaker 1: Is he seeking a ring at that moment in time?
[24:19] Speaker 1: Is he seeking a career?
[24:21] Speaker 3: What is it?
[24:22] Speaker 1: It all depends on that player because when his career
[24:25] Speaker 1: is done, that's all he has is his memory. So
[24:27] Speaker 1: we can't say it was disappointing if he got there,
[24:32] Speaker 1: they won a ring. Whatever he did in his 65
[24:34] Speaker 1: games helped him get closer.
[24:36] Speaker 2: I mean, So back to the Celtics, two of their
[24:39] Speaker 2: five starters now traded. Obviously, Tatum will be down some
[24:42] Speaker 2: extended time. But according to a report by Shams, Celtics
[24:45] Speaker 2: phones are ringing off the hook with teams inquiring about
[24:47] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown and Derek White. While Boston is listening to offers,
[24:51] Speaker 2: they aren't expected to make a move with either player
[24:54] Speaker 2: unless they get an offer that they can't refuse. So
[24:57] Speaker 2: you think the Celtics should keep blowing up the roster
[24:59] Speaker 2: or let this group hold it down until Tatum's return?
[25:03] Speaker 3: Brother, you've been the back page. I have not, Gil, but.
[25:08] Speaker 1: This right now, this is kind of like.
[25:10] Speaker 3: I'm a front page.
[25:10] Speaker 1: You're front page, you're not back page.
[25:12] Speaker 3: I'm not back page.
[25:13] Speaker 1: This is like, it's like imagining like back page, you
[25:17] Speaker 1: got the irregular prices and then somehow they, it's Black Friday. Right?
[25:23] Speaker 1: So all those, all those people on there is damn near,
[25:28] Speaker 1: they open. They listen to whoever want to throw some
[25:32] Speaker 1: money at it and that's what's going on. Like, The
[25:36] Speaker 1: talk is out that they are willing to break up
[25:39] Speaker 1: the whole team, right? And everybody's calling. And that's what's
[25:43] Speaker 1: been going on. It's a fire sale. It's, you know,
[25:46] Speaker 1: put it on the market. Tell me what you want.
[25:48] Speaker 3: Who you want? Who you want? Hey, what you got
[25:50] Speaker 3: for me?
[25:51] Speaker 1: Huh? And that's all that's going on right now. They're
[25:54] Speaker 1: not trying to win no more.
[25:55] Speaker 3: They don't care.
[25:55] Speaker 1: Even the Andrew Jason Tatum. Yeah.
[25:59] Speaker 4: Like, even an injured Jason Tatum can go right now.
[26:03] Speaker 4: If somebody throws the right shit at them right now, yeah, absolutely.
[26:11] Speaker 1: If somebody was smart and said, hey, I would, me
[26:15] Speaker 1: knowing it's his right foot and it's not his jumping foot,
[26:19] Speaker 1: so he should be fine, or 80% he's going to
[26:22] Speaker 1: be fine and back to normal because it's not his
[26:24] Speaker 1: dominant leg, I'd throw off right now, motherfuckers, right now.
[26:28] Speaker 1: Knowing that, okay, this year, next year, probably gone. But,
[26:31] Speaker 1: you know, cool. You might give me something for it.
[26:34] Speaker 1: You might be like, oh, he's injured. He's done. And
[26:36] Speaker 1: then I can give you some bullshit for him.
[26:38] Speaker 2: I don't want to say the Celtics are throwing in
[26:41] Speaker 2: the towel, but if you look around the Eastern Conference
[26:43] Speaker 2: of Landscape right now, Howie's going to be out extended time.
[26:45] Speaker 1: New owners, man. They don't give a fuck. This is
[26:48] Speaker 1: new for them. It's the same thing like with the Bucs.
[26:50] Speaker 8: When the Bucs won the championship, they got the new
[26:52] Speaker 8: owner that came in.
[26:53] Speaker 3: Drew, you out of here.
[26:54] Speaker 1: Like, they don't. It's my turn.
[26:56] Speaker 3: We're going to do it my way.
[26:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, who? Are we like him? He can stay, but shit,
[27:03] Speaker 1: everybody else, I don't... I've never in my life seen
[27:06] Speaker 1: a nigga move into somebody's house and they got their
[27:08] Speaker 1: furniture up there and keep it the same way. Yeah.
[27:12] Speaker 1: And all these... It's turkey, man. Take this bed with
[27:17] Speaker 1: your goddamn... You can take these leather couches, goddamn it.
[27:19] Speaker 3: I got my own.
[27:20] Speaker 1: You come in with your own shit. There's gonna be
[27:22] Speaker 1: people fired.
[27:22] Speaker 4: Like you said, when somebody get remarried, right?
[27:26] Speaker 1: The new woman come in, she like... Yeah, absolutely. Even
[27:35] Speaker 1: if she liked this shit, this is nasty. This is nasty.
[27:38] Speaker 1: I would never. I would never.
[27:41] Speaker 6: This is the taste you had before?
[27:45] Speaker 1: That's coming up for sure.
[27:46] Speaker 6: And you lived with her with this? Oh, that's what
[27:50] Speaker 6: I was doing. It's called Furnished. This is Furnished, baby. Listen,
[27:56] Speaker 6: ain't no bringing your own furniture here. You're not going
[27:58] Speaker 6: to be here that long, baby.
[28:00] Speaker 1: Listen, you're not even going to be here that long
[28:02] Speaker 1: to enjoy this. Even the pots and pans got to go.
[28:05] Speaker 1: Everything got to go.
[28:08] Speaker 6: Just put that shit in the dishwasher. You're not even
[28:10] Speaker 6: supposed to touch nothing. You ain't going to be here.
[28:12] Speaker 1: You talking about that motherfucker trying to put new knobs
[28:14] Speaker 1: on his head. All that. Cabinets. Asking questions and shit.
[28:19] Speaker 1: Not new knobs. Yeah, she touched them. She touched them.
[28:22] Speaker 1: She used them regularly. Right on this toilet? Oh, yeah.
[28:24] Speaker 1: New toilet seat?
[28:25] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[28:28] Speaker 1: Shower head? I don't know. Why does rain shower? All
[28:32] Speaker 1: of you got to go. This football's going through right. Hey, listen. Hey, unfortunately. Sorry,
[28:36] Speaker 1: Celtics fans. This is... Writing on the wall. What? I
[28:41] Speaker 1: think we said something about this. Somebody broke the white line.
[28:44] Speaker 1: Didn't we say something about this?
[28:46] Speaker 6: Didn't we say these niggas can go if they don't
[28:49] Speaker 6: win them? I was going to ask you if the
[28:50] Speaker 6: Celtics can still be content. Didn't we say something about.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Them niggas can go if they don't win them like
[28:55] Speaker 1: they supposed to win them? They looking up. They're going
[28:57] Speaker 1: to be like, hey... Somebody brought the black light in.
[28:59] Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Somebody brought the black light in and
[29:03] Speaker 1: turned the lights off. We don't know who's ship this is.
[29:07] Speaker 1: We don't know what's going on. Hey, man. Listen, when
[29:11] Speaker 1: we saw who got finals MVP, I said yes. All
[29:14] Speaker 1: the fans. I mean, all the people that work in it.
[29:17] Speaker 1: It didn't go as they thought. 300 million. Yeah, we're
[29:23] Speaker 1: going to build Black Wall Street up here. Two Super Macs. Okay. Okay,
[29:27] Speaker 1: this is not going to happen. This is not going
[29:29] Speaker 1: to happen. Not here. Not in White Town. This is not.
[29:33] Speaker 6: Going to last, man. I gave you the benefit of
[29:35] Speaker 6: the doubt. I said, I'm going to roll with you
[29:36] Speaker 6: until you get the championship. But, nigga, after that, we
[29:39] Speaker 6: going to New York. We going to New York.
[29:42] Speaker 1: Like Wall Street. Hey, man.
[29:43] Speaker 6: Hey, send his ass to Memphis. I bought his shoes.
[29:48] Speaker 6: I bought his shoes and everything. I said, gentlemen, go
[29:54] Speaker 6: buy these shoes before they take them out of stock
[29:56] Speaker 6: and shit. They're going to stop selling them and all
[29:58] Speaker 6: kinds of shit because he ain't trying to do some
[29:59] Speaker 6: shit he ain't supposed to do.
[30:00] Speaker 2: Well, let's shift over to the Hawks side. Now, the
[30:02] Speaker 2: Hawks get Porzingis. Porzingis, on the last year's deal, I
[30:04] Speaker 2: think they're making $ 30 million this year. Like I mentioned,
[30:07] Speaker 2: Played a limited amount of games, but averaged 19 points,
[30:09] Speaker 2: shot 42% from three when he was healthy. Still trying
[30:11] Speaker 2: to figure out what's going wrong with him. Hawks were
[30:13] Speaker 2: a playing team last season. Can now roll out a
[30:15] Speaker 2: starting five with Trey Young, Dyson Daniels, Reese O'Shea, Jalen Johnson,
[30:19] Speaker 2: and Porzingis. So how much does Porzingis move the needle
[30:21] Speaker 2: for the Hawks? And what should be a weaker than
[30:24] Speaker 2: weak Eastern Conference this next season?
[30:26] Speaker 4: So they lose both of their other bigs? So Clint
[30:29] Speaker 4: Capella and... Okongu's still there. Okongu, so no. Put Porzingis'
[30:33] Speaker 4: ass on the bench. Play the young boy, man.
[30:37] Speaker 1: Oh, no, no. Jalen Johnson got to play. No, but
[30:39] Speaker 1: he'll be in the starting five. He'll be in the
[30:41] Speaker 1: starting five. At the four? No, you put... If it's
[30:47] Speaker 1: a healthy Przingis, he'll start at the five. Yeah, he's
[30:49] Speaker 1: going to start at the five. Why? If it's healthy.
[30:51] Speaker 1: Because what Trae Young needs... Pick and roll and run.
[30:54] Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson running and rolling. Jalen Johnson, yeah. Now you
[30:57] Speaker 1: got both. Yeah, you got spread. That's a hell of a...
[31:00] Speaker 1: I don't trust Brazilians. I mean, we're talking if he's
[31:03] Speaker 1: just healthy. If he's available to play. Look at that weird,
[31:06] Speaker 1: that overseas shit he got put in his system. We
[31:08] Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with him. Just imagine he's healthy.
[31:13] Speaker 1: You got two of them running. I got you. Okay.
[31:16] Speaker 2: Locking shots and shit. The internet has some theories. I
[31:19] Speaker 2: will not share them here on the show. They're not
[31:21] Speaker 2: good theories.
[31:21] Speaker 1: I keep saying it.
[31:25] Speaker 3: I keep saying it.
[31:26] Speaker 1: I keep saying it. It can't be that theory.
[31:29] Speaker 3: It can't be the magic.
[31:31] Speaker 1: It can't be the magic.
[31:32] Speaker 3: Not talking about Orlando.
[31:35] Speaker 1: If you got that going on, you have to actually
[31:39] Speaker 1: let all the NBA players know Okay. Well, that's... Didn't
[31:47] Speaker 1: want to bring it up. You're forced to let everybody
[31:50] Speaker 1: know and they have to vote. That's a thing.
[31:52] Speaker 2: But my question for you guys, with this move, do
[31:54] Speaker 2: the Hawks get more competitive in a weaker Eastern Conference
[31:58] Speaker 2: this upcoming season? No Dame, no Hallie, no Taylor. It's
[32:02] Speaker 2: wide open.
[32:03] Speaker 1: It's open.
[32:03] Speaker 3: Ladies open, baby. So who is it open for?
[32:05] Speaker 1: The Cavs. The Cavs better get it done. Let's talk
[32:09] Speaker 1: about who we know in the East. What do we
[32:12] Speaker 1: know in the East? Two teams.
[32:13] Speaker 3: Cavs and Knicks.
[32:14] Speaker 1: No, no, no. Not Knicks.
[32:15] Speaker 3: Magic?
[32:16] Speaker 1: Magic. Magic. You think Cleveland going to choke again? You
[32:21] Speaker 1: know what? I do, too. So it don't even matter
[32:24] Speaker 1: about them. So we're going to go with Orlando right now.
[32:27] Speaker 3: I'm going Cavs and Knicks. I don't know who going
[32:31] Speaker 3: to coach.
[32:31] Speaker 1: Me either. When they get a coach, then we'll make
[32:33] Speaker 1: that call. What about Philly? That's facts. Like I said.
[32:36] Speaker 1: Process me. Like I said.
[32:38] Speaker 3: You might be right, Sean.
[32:38] Speaker 1: Trash. Process me. I like Orlando. And they just got,
[32:43] Speaker 1: oh boy. Philly's roster. Who did they all know? Bane.
[32:47] Speaker 4: Philly's roster on paper.
[32:48] Speaker 1: Come on, man. Philly's roster on paper. Okay. Question mark.
[32:51] Speaker 1: Question mark. But. Everybody else, though. They had to sew
[32:56] Speaker 1: one leg down. I mean, we don't know what he's
[32:58] Speaker 1: going to look like with that new bone. Who else
[33:01] Speaker 1: do you got on there? Who else you got on
[33:03] Speaker 1: the east though?
[33:04] Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you.
[33:08] Speaker 1: I mean, Hawks don't have to jump in there now
[33:09] Speaker 1: if he's healthy. Charlotte.
[33:12] Speaker 6: I'm still going to walk in there because of Giannis.
[33:14] Speaker 6: I got to, but they don't got to.
[33:16] Speaker 1: That's nasty.
[33:18] Speaker 3: No dames. The Wizards have made some moves. I'm not
[33:20] Speaker 3: going to put them in the cover.
[33:21] Speaker 1: You got the Pistons who look like they can make it. Oh, Pistons.
[33:24] Speaker 6: The Pistons.
[33:25] Speaker 1: They can bring back Kevin Porter. Yeah, he's been playing good.
[33:28] Speaker 1: It all depends on him. It all depends on him.
[33:30] Speaker 1: If I'm Pistons right now, I got to add something. What?
[33:33] Speaker 1: I got to add something.
[33:35] Speaker 3: What do you mean?
[33:36] Speaker 1: I got to get Devin Booker. Think about what you
[33:41] Speaker 1: got already. You got Durden. You got Stewart. You got Tobias.
[33:46] Speaker 1: I got it. You got somebody bigger. You got a
[33:50] Speaker 1: three or a four. I'm good with him. But you
[33:54] Speaker 1: can't look at your roster and say, this is what
[33:56] Speaker 1: we did without our son. That's not up great.
[33:59] Speaker 4: I'm saying Sasser's a year... I'm saying, but they got
[34:02] Speaker 4: a young.
[34:02] Speaker 1: Thompson, Sasser, Sneasley. You got to look at Orlando Brown.
[34:08] Speaker 3: They holed up a piece.
[34:09] Speaker 1: But if I don't get a Devin Booker like y'all,
[34:11] Speaker 1: if I don't get a Devin Booker, then I'll make
[34:13] Speaker 1: that move for a while. I got to give up
[34:14] Speaker 1: to get that, except Cade. Devin Booker with Cade. Yeah. So,
[34:19] Speaker 1: I do that, but if I can't get him, then... Yeah. Yeah.
[34:26] Speaker 1: They need another big, though. I don't trust... I do.
[34:29] Speaker 4: I don't trust them. They're not shooters. They need a
[34:31] Speaker 4: shooter as a big.
[34:33] Speaker 6: They need a big that can stretch the floor.
[34:35] Speaker 4: They need a big that can stretch the floor. They
[34:38] Speaker 4: need a big that can knock down threes. I like Orlando, though.
[34:43] Speaker 2: We asked the chat, does Porzingis make the Hawks a contender? 76%
[34:47] Speaker 2: of the chat said hell no. But let's talk about
[34:50] Speaker 2: the Nets side of things. So the Nets took Terrence Manning.
[34:52] Speaker 1: Huh?
[34:53] Speaker 3: You said who? The Brooklyn Nets.
[34:55] Speaker 1: Oh. Oh, listen, they got it. Okay, go ahead. Let's talk.
[34:58] Speaker 1: We got some things to discuss. I was confused on
[35:00] Speaker 1: the name you said because usually you don't say that.
[35:01] Speaker 1: We'll go.
[35:03] Speaker 2: We're talking about the Nets now. This is Gil's Arena.
[35:05] Speaker 2: We show love to everybody. There's a reason to talk
[35:07] Speaker 2: about them. So Nets took Terrence Mann in the three
[35:09] Speaker 2: years and $ 47 million remained on his contract. Also got
[35:12] Speaker 2: the Hawks' 22nd pick in this year's draft as a result.
[35:16] Speaker 2: So now the Nets have five first-round picks in this draft.
[35:19] Speaker 2: The 8th, 19th, 22nd, 26th, and 27th selections. If the
[35:23] Speaker 2: Nets do end up keeping all five picks, it would
[35:25] Speaker 2: be a draft day record. But should the Nets try
[35:28] Speaker 2: to make a blockbuster move to bring a superstar to
[35:30] Speaker 2: Brooklyn or build through this draft?
[35:32] Speaker 3: I'm going to trade. Take these five? I'm going to
[35:36] Speaker 3: try to go get a block. Give me a Greco-Nigerian.
[35:38] Speaker 1: You're not getting nothing out of this draft. Name Giannis Antetokounmpo. Him,
[35:48] Speaker 1: Jay Brown. Giannis, Jalen Brown, and Brooklyn. Derek White. Derek White.
[35:56] Speaker 4: Give you all five of these motherfuckers for Jalen Brown
[35:59] Speaker 4: and Derek White.
[36:01] Speaker 1: Give you all five of these motherfuckers right now. What's
[36:05] Speaker 1: his name? Cam Thomas. Another scorer. Pack the house.
[36:12] Speaker 6: It's crazy that Brooklyn would be like a dumping zone
[36:14] Speaker 6: right now.
[36:16] Speaker 1: Wide open, big market.
[36:17] Speaker 6: They were just in this trade to literally take Jerry Madden.
[36:21] Speaker 3: That's good though.
[36:24] Speaker 6: I'm saying it's like it's wide open for like players
[36:26] Speaker 6: to actually go choose a place to team up and
[36:29] Speaker 6: be like, oh, let's go to Brooklyn.
[36:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[36:31] Speaker 6: Wide open, big market, New York. Let's build something. I mean,
[36:35] Speaker 6: Brooklyn is known for having a big three.
[36:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[36:38] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like with KG, Paul and Darren and then, you know, hard. Yeah.
[36:42] Speaker 1: So they know they need it. They got money. It's
[36:45] Speaker 1: nice in there. It's got a nice arena. That shit, listen.
[36:47] Speaker 3: It's nice as hell.
[36:49] Speaker 4: I was just out there for the pre-draft thing, man. Like,
[36:52] Speaker 4: for the draft lottery. They need to build.
[36:55] Speaker 6: Bradley Bills should be thinking, I'll go to New York.
[36:59] Speaker 1: No, leave him where he at. To get out of there? No.
[37:02] Speaker 1: He ain't going to stay there? Nope. No trade calls?
[37:05] Speaker 6: You need to convince him he needs to go to
[37:08] Speaker 6: New York.
[37:08] Speaker 2: Now you're talking about... You make a move for like
[37:12] Speaker 2: D-Book and Giannis, something crazy like that. Now you're in
[37:14] Speaker 2: a conversation.
[37:15] Speaker 3: To leave him there? I'm just saying.
[37:16] Speaker 1: You're going to leave him there. Yeah. He went there.
[37:18] Speaker 1: He got no trade. Let him keep it. Let him
[37:20] Speaker 1: stay there and then dump everybody off? Let him keep
[37:22] Speaker 1: his no trade.
[37:23] Speaker 4: Yeah, because it went from like we was at the
[37:28] Speaker 4: draft lottery, pre-draft thing, right?
[37:30] Speaker 1: It went from, oh, damn, we got the eight pick. Right?
[37:34] Speaker 1: So this is.
[37:35] Speaker 3: Now we have five first round picks.
[37:37] Speaker 1: This is promising. I don't feed anybody. Huh?
[37:41] Speaker 3: You take all five of those picks?
[37:44] Speaker 1: Where am I? I'm at the bottom of the East.
[37:46] Speaker 1: The East, so that means I'm in the bottom of
[37:48] Speaker 1: the league. I'm one of the worst teams in the league.
[37:51] Speaker 1: So whatever I actually do doesn't put me any closer
[37:56] Speaker 1: to anything relevant. So I'm going to sell all of
[38:01] Speaker 1: this or trade all of this to get exactly what
[38:03] Speaker 1: that's going to actually help me. So I might as
[38:05] Speaker 1: well just take these five picks and I'm going to
[38:08] Speaker 1: be sorry for the next three, four years. Anyway, take
[38:10] Speaker 1: these five picks to see what comes out of it.
[38:12] Speaker 1: I have low cost. I have no overhead. I don't
[38:16] Speaker 1: have no big money on my head. And then the
[38:19] Speaker 1: next three, four years, see what opens up. See if
[38:21] Speaker 1: somebody wants to come here because I got all the
[38:23] Speaker 1: money in the world. So instead of spending some now
[38:26] Speaker 1: on a Devin Booker or a Bradley Beal with nothing
[38:29] Speaker 1: to do with, like I don't have no... I have
[38:33] Speaker 1: no dinner table for him.
[38:34] Speaker 4: We said team him up with somebody, not just send
[38:37] Speaker 4: Devin Booker to Brooklyn by himself. Like, no, he might
[38:40] Speaker 4: as well stay in Phoenix. We're saying him, Giannis, and
[38:42] Speaker 4: some other things, like, make some shit like that happen
[38:44] Speaker 4: and then do, like.
[38:45] Speaker 1: Then that makes sense. Yeah, because that'll get you in
[38:47] Speaker 1: the conversation. Like, that'll get you there. Man, I'm Brooklyn.
[38:51] Speaker 1: That'll get you there with a couple of inches. You
[38:52] Speaker 1: got Claxton still over there. You got some.
[38:55] Speaker 3: You got Cam Johnson.
[38:56] Speaker 1: But you don't lose them. I got a fresh plate.
[39:00] Speaker 1: Fresh plate. Clean slate. I could start from scratch. Why
[39:05] Speaker 1: wouldn't I utilize.
[39:06] Speaker 6: As a good GM, as a good owner, you're utilizing
[39:09] Speaker 6: them picks for leverage to build something, not just to
[39:11] Speaker 6: hold on to the picks for the sake of this
[39:14] Speaker 6: is what we got. Like the movie Draft Day with
[39:17] Speaker 6: Kevin Costner. The way that nigga maneuvered to get to
[39:21] Speaker 6: know and figure out who he should pick was based
[39:25] Speaker 6: on testing the waters on the other teams and tricking
[39:29] Speaker 6: them into... believing, I take this, you should take this.
[39:32] Speaker 6: If I gave you this, what would you think about it?
[39:34] Speaker 6: I'm going to call you back. Call this team. Call
[39:36] Speaker 6: that team. Everybody calling each other, trying to figure out,
[39:39] Speaker 6: is this real? He would really give up this pick?
[39:41] Speaker 6: I mean, if we're going to get Kevin Durant and
[39:43] Speaker 6: we're going to get James Harden and get Kyrie, yeah,
[39:45] Speaker 6: we're going to do some shit.
[39:46] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
[39:48] Speaker 6: It's all about making the move make sense, but also
[39:50] Speaker 6: having the balls to convince the other teams that the
[39:53] Speaker 6: move makes sense. But that's what I think makes a
[39:56] Speaker 6: good GM is to go in there and convince. I
[39:58] Speaker 6: got five picks. I can go out here and try
[40:00] Speaker 6: to get Giannis.
[40:04] Speaker 1: And Joker.
[40:07] Speaker 2: I think with this new CBA, the restriction of the
[40:09] Speaker 2: second apron, all these luxury taxes, and we're seeing it
[40:11] Speaker 2: with the Celtics, seeing it with other teams around the league,
[40:14] Speaker 2: there is more willingness, obviously, to come.
[40:16] Speaker 6: Up off your prized assets to build for the future.
[40:20] Speaker 6: The Denver Nuggets just said that they don't know if
[40:22] Speaker 6: Joker is going to take it.
[40:23] Speaker 2: So Josh Cronky said if they had an unforeseen injury, yeah,
[40:27] Speaker 2: it was.
[40:28] Speaker 1: Think about that. That's true. Think about it. He's like,
[40:32] Speaker 1: if we offer him right now, he might not take
[40:34] Speaker 1: it because we don't have to take it to him.
[40:36] Speaker 1: We ain't even going to give him less. You never know.
[40:38] Speaker 1: But no, that's being realistic.
[40:41] Speaker 6: And he's being transparent saying, look, hey, everybody out there,
[40:44] Speaker 6: it may not make sense for us, so he's open.
[40:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[40:48] Speaker 2: But Gil, to your point, with the new CBA, obviously
[40:51] Speaker 2: the Nets can now get five draft picks at a
[40:54] Speaker 2: much lower rate than trying to bring in a superstar,
[40:57] Speaker 2: build with them for the next couple years.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Shit, not the way to see. Not the way. Hell no.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Not the way these numbers are. Not with these first-round picks. Shit,
[41:04] Speaker 1: you got it. So... So you say the... I mean,
[41:07] Speaker 1: I got late first rounders, so... You got the eighth pick.
[41:10] Speaker 1: I mean, just right now... You got two locks, or eight, what?
[41:13] Speaker 1: I don't want to get locked into somebody who's... I
[41:18] Speaker 1: got to take on 50, 60, 70 million, and I
[41:22] Speaker 1: don't know what is going to happen with it. I'd
[41:24] Speaker 1: rather let me get my draft picks, see what they do,
[41:27] Speaker 1: and then start making deals. I start making deals now
[41:30] Speaker 1: and then lock myself into these big-ass contracts... So then
[41:33] Speaker 1: now somebody like Giannis is up and then I got
[41:36] Speaker 1: to try to figure out how now I got to
[41:38] Speaker 1: send them off to try to get something back and
[41:40] Speaker 1: then or or pay them. Now I'm locked in like
[41:43] Speaker 1: it becomes more of decision making to see what's my
[41:47] Speaker 1: 10 year plan or at least five year plan with them.
[41:50] Speaker 1: Right now, I don't have no overhead. I hear you.
[41:52] Speaker 4: But if I'm going to get some pieces right now
[41:54] Speaker 4: to make me relevant in the Eastern Conference because it's
[41:56] Speaker 4: wide open right now, I'd do that if I'm them.
[41:59] Speaker 4: If I can go get a couple, two, three pieces
[42:01] Speaker 4: right now, just for shits and giggles, like I said,
[42:04] Speaker 4: if Phoenix is willing to deal Devin Booker because they've
[42:08] Speaker 4: got Jalen and they've got Younger Gardner, if they're willing
[42:10] Speaker 4: to listen to it, sure, we'll give.
[42:12] Speaker 1: You the eighth pick.
[42:14] Speaker 4: We'll give you the eighth pick and this and that
[42:15] Speaker 4: for Devin Booker. Mike, then you, the same Giannis thing, shit,
[42:20] Speaker 4: we'll give you these four. Listen, they'll give him these
[42:24] Speaker 4: four first-round picks for Giannis.
[42:25] Speaker 1: And then you jump into the dozens, and now you
[42:27] Speaker 1: go from here to jumping in some salary cap. You
[42:30] Speaker 1: know what I mean? At the wrong time. Everybody's trying
[42:34] Speaker 1: to jump now. But it makes you relevant. It takes
[42:37] Speaker 1: you out of the bottom. Immediately. Automatically. And that's the
[42:43] Speaker 1: risk that you take. You'd rather take that risk than
[42:46] Speaker 1: stay at the bottom with the four picks and then
[42:49] Speaker 1: try to build on the development of those four picks.
[42:53] Speaker 1: He's saying, look, take these two. Let's go get these
[42:55] Speaker 1: two motherfuckers right now just to become relevant for the
[42:57] Speaker 1: next three years. New York and the Knicks just did
[43:00] Speaker 1: what they did. I hear you. Yes, Gil. Absolutely.
[43:03] Speaker 3: But I'm just, so what you about to say, Joe?
[43:05] Speaker 6: I was going to give you the slots for each
[43:07] Speaker 6: of the picks. So the eighth pick will make $ 7
[43:08] Speaker 6: million this year. What's the total deal? Total deal would
[43:12] Speaker 6: be $ 31 million.
[43:14] Speaker 1: For the eighth pick?
[43:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, 19th pick would be total deal $ 18 million, would
[43:17] Speaker 2: make $ 4 million this year. Total deal for the 22nd
[43:20] Speaker 2: pick would be $ 17 million. They'd make $ 3. 3 million this year.
[43:23] Speaker 2: And then 26th, right, if I'm not mistaken, total deal
[43:25] Speaker 2: for that would be $ 15 million. They would make about
[43:27] Speaker 2: $ 3 million this year. And then the 27th would be
[43:29] Speaker 2: $ 14 million, and they.
[43:30] Speaker 3: Would make close to $ 3 million.
[43:32] Speaker 1: So 14, 15, 17, 19, 31, shit. But over a
[43:36] Speaker 1: four-year window.
[43:38] Speaker 3: Over a four-year window.
[43:39] Speaker 1: But that means you've got to give a pickup. If
[43:42] Speaker 1: you're trying to get, let's say, Devin Booker, you're basically
[43:45] Speaker 1: giving up damn near half your starting five in some picks.
[43:49] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Before you come out as Brooklyn. Yeah. Yeah.
[43:53] Speaker 1: You're dismantling, though. You're dismantling. Yeah, yeah. To get Giannis
[43:55] Speaker 1: and Weston in, you dismantled your whole team. Now you
[43:57] Speaker 1: don't have anything to actually help them win. So now
[44:01] Speaker 1: what you end up doing is.
[44:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you're working. Yeah, that's what you're working.
[44:03] Speaker 1: You got middle work. You got middle work. You got,
[44:05] Speaker 1: let's say you take the 10th or 8th seed. But
[44:10] Speaker 1: your salary cap just skyrocketed in the wrong time. We
[44:14] Speaker 1: no ball everybody. We get low hanging fruit in the market.
[44:16] Speaker 1: But it's still just them two alone put you in
[44:18] Speaker 1: the hundred. We understand. We got to understand that you're
[44:20] Speaker 1: in a luxury tax, but you're not in the luxury
[44:22] Speaker 1: tax as a top two, three percentage team. You're in
[44:25] Speaker 1: a luxury tax as a 10th seed with just these
[44:28] Speaker 1: two players. Who understood that? The Lakers.
[44:31] Speaker 6: You got A.D. You got LeBron. What else did you
[44:33] Speaker 6: have to deal with? the rest of the low-hanging fruit
[44:36] Speaker 6: that you can pull from that was available. You didn't
[44:39] Speaker 6: bank on Austin Reeves being Austin Reeves, right?
[44:42] Speaker 1: People got to do their job. That's what I'm saying.
[44:44] Speaker 6: So if you do your job with two picks like that,
[44:47] Speaker 6: we got to go figure out the best utility players
[44:50] Speaker 6: to put around for now. Just for now. Right now,
[44:53] Speaker 6: this season, and see if we can look good with
[44:55] Speaker 6: these two guys. Can we assemble a team to make
[44:58] Speaker 6: us relevant?
[44:59] Speaker 2: And those five picks would only cost around about $ 20
[45:01] Speaker 2: million in salary. Forget my math if I didn't add
[45:03] Speaker 2: it up correctly for this upcoming season. So you still
[45:06] Speaker 2: have a bunch of cap space left to go make
[45:08] Speaker 2: some moves and do some things. or trade these picks
[45:11] Speaker 2: with other teams like the Thunder who are trying to
[45:13] Speaker 2: trade up for picks down the road. Then now you
[45:15] Speaker 2: can package and get some stuff going. So remains to
[45:17] Speaker 2: be seen. It should be an interesting draft day and night.
[45:19] Speaker 2: But let's keep this thing moving. So Kyrie Irving's season
[45:22] Speaker 2: was cut short with a torn ACL. With the player
[45:25] Speaker 2: option this summer, his future in Dallas was uncertain. But
[45:28] Speaker 2: things got resolved Tuesday as it was announced. Kyrie was
[45:30] Speaker 2: declining his player option, signing a new three-year deal worth
[45:33] Speaker 2: $ 119 million to stay with the Mavs. Deal includes a
[45:36] Speaker 2: player option for the 28-29 season. So Kyrie told Shams
[45:40] Speaker 2: his decision to stay with the Mavs was based on
[45:41] Speaker 2: a commitment level from both sides, wanting to build a
[45:44] Speaker 2: legacy in Dallas, and believing in the team's ability to
[45:46] Speaker 2: win a chip when he returns healthy from his torn ACL.
[45:50] Speaker 2: So Ky average 25 points, five rebounds, five assists last season.
[45:53] Speaker 2: And the team-friendly deal opens up nearly $ 6 million in
[45:57] Speaker 2: a taxpayer mid-level exception that they could potentially use to
[45:59] Speaker 2: go after Schroeder, D'Lo, Chris Paul, or some names that
[46:02] Speaker 2: were mentioned, Malcolm Brogdon as well. So Mavs also announced
[46:05] Speaker 2: Daniel Gafford intends to sign a three-year extension worth nearly
[46:08] Speaker 2: $ 60 million. That'll keep him in Dallas through 2029. So
[46:11] Speaker 2: did Kyrie make the right decision signing a three-year extension
[46:14] Speaker 2: to stay with the Mavs?
[46:15] Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, hell yeah.
[46:18] Speaker 2: And we talked about this a lot when the injury happened,
[46:21] Speaker 2: what his future would look like. I think you guys
[46:23] Speaker 2: said he would probably decline that and try and get
[46:25] Speaker 2: a longer-term deal.
[46:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just.
[46:31] Speaker 1: For you as an individual, when you're talking about, like,
[46:37] Speaker 1: guaranteeing money, this was the smartest move for him financially.
[46:41] Speaker 3: Right, where.
[46:44] Speaker 1: You don't know what your career is going to end
[46:46] Speaker 1: up like, right?
[46:47] Speaker 3: You got an injury.
[46:48] Speaker 1: You steal. They got to make a move on you
[46:51] Speaker 1: because they can't let you walk. So if you can
[46:53] Speaker 1: net another guaranteed $ 60 million or $ 70 million.
[46:57] Speaker 3: Right, this is the time to do it.
[47:00] Speaker 1: And that's what the move was like, you know, I'm
[47:02] Speaker 1: willing to take a pay cut or whatever, but what
[47:05] Speaker 1: I'm doing is for the next few years, I'm guaranteeing
[47:08] Speaker 1: you something I didn't have before. Right. You know, you
[47:11] Speaker 1: can't look at like, Oh, if I, you know, come back,
[47:13] Speaker 1: like he's going to miss this year, most of this year,
[47:16] Speaker 1: and then try to go on a free agency.
[47:18] Speaker 3: You don't know what he's going to get.
[47:19] Speaker 1: So it was easy. It was easier to strike now
[47:21] Speaker 1: to guarantee yourself another 70, 80 million. So this is
[47:25] Speaker 1: a brilliant move for them. And for them, it saves money, too.
[47:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, I was looking at it as the fact that
[47:30] Speaker 4: he's probably going to miss the majority of the next season.
[47:32] Speaker 4: And going to free agency, coming off of not playing,
[47:35] Speaker 4: that's what I wasn't even thinking about. That's the part
[47:39] Speaker 4: of it, yes, but I was looking at the fact
[47:41] Speaker 4: that going into free agency, not having played a lot.
[47:44] Speaker 2: And there was reports he could have been in like
[47:46] Speaker 2: the 50 to 60 million annual range before the knee injury.
[47:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[47:50] Speaker 2: Suffers an injury. Was probably going to opt out anyway.
[47:53] Speaker 2: The Mavs, I think he said, have been loyal to him,
[47:55] Speaker 2: showed commitment to him that he appreciated.
[47:56] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So the future is bright.
[48:00] Speaker 3: In Dallas.
[48:01] Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is a smart move, man, all around. Yeah,
[48:05] Speaker 1: and that's before it's mental.
[48:06] Speaker 8: Now that he got this out the way, you know,
[48:08] Speaker 8: he can get through his injury. And like they said,
[48:10] Speaker 8: the future is still bright in Dallas. They got the
[48:12] Speaker 8: number one pick. You got Klay Thompson over there still, AD.
[48:15] Speaker 8: So you're still, you know, still on the up and
[48:17] Speaker 8: up in Dallas.
[48:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[48:19] Speaker 2: Kyle, you like this move for Kyrie to stay with
[48:21] Speaker 2: the Mavs?
[48:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[48:24] Speaker 6: I think it's proven enough. It's a lot of money.
[48:31] Speaker 6: Opportunity to come back. Try to do something big the
[48:34] Speaker 6: next three years. Take advantage of it.
[48:43] Speaker 1: Talking about the Nets. If you're Nets and you know
[48:48] Speaker 1: that they're keeping their roster the way it is. If
[48:52] Speaker 1: you're Nets, do you offer them the 22nd and the
[48:58] Speaker 1: 26th pick for their third pick? Or throw all three
[49:02] Speaker 1: picks in for their third pick? For the Sixers' third pick? Like,
[49:07] Speaker 1: whatever that's picked. Y'all can't really use it right now, but,
[49:10] Speaker 1: you know, this 22nd pick, those are some veterans. You know,
[49:15] Speaker 1: some of those seniors and shit that can help you
[49:17] Speaker 1: right now. That's right. I thought of them. If you're
[49:20] Speaker 1: a Sixers, what do you do? Take it.
[49:22] Speaker 3: You take it? I mean, you probably have to give
[49:24] Speaker 3: them the eighth in one of those.
[49:25] Speaker 1: No. Oh, no. No. Because the eighth is another freshman.
[49:31] Speaker 1: Eight as a freshman, 22nd, 26th, 27th? Yeah, you're right, Joe.
[49:34] Speaker 1: They'll have to get eight.
[49:36] Speaker 4: For three, you have to get eight and whatever the
[49:39] Speaker 4: last one is.
[49:39] Speaker 3: Eight and 27 or whatever it is.
[49:41] Speaker 1: Eight and 27, they'll go for that.
[49:42] Speaker 3: If I'm Brooklyn, I'm trying to get the third and eighth.
[49:45] Speaker 1: Okay. Because I'm trying to be. Oh, I know.
[49:47] Speaker 3: I did.
[49:48] Speaker 1: I'll give you four. Yeah. What would make Philly come
[49:52] Speaker 1: up off that third pick? Maybe three of them picks.
[49:55] Speaker 1: And I give you, what is it, 22, 26, 27? Yes.
[49:58] Speaker 1: You can try to fill up your roster. Yep. Since
[50:01] Speaker 1: you still are trying to go for a championship by
[50:03] Speaker 1: keeping your roster the same. I would. Or take somebody
[50:05] Speaker 1: off the books for them. I would.
[50:07] Speaker 3: Because at this.
[50:07] Speaker 4: They're already doing that. They're making a little money. They
[50:10] Speaker 4: already had their fire sale already. I'm saying, Philly had
[50:14] Speaker 4: their fire sale last year. Like, I was just, yeah,
[50:18] Speaker 4: I was just wondering.
[50:19] Speaker 1: I was like. They did. I was like, when it
[50:21] Speaker 1: comes to picks, is there like any rule on picks? No. Because,
[50:25] Speaker 1: you know, with cap, there's a cap. But if I can,
[50:28] Speaker 1: can I get rid of four picks for your number
[50:30] Speaker 1: one pick? Yeah, I'm sure you just got to make
[50:31] Speaker 1: it work. Like you're saying, throwing a contract or throwing whatever. Yeah,
[50:34] Speaker 1: whatever the numbers are, they just got to do the numbers.
[50:36] Speaker 4: Oh, so those numbers still count too? I guess you're right.
[50:38] Speaker 4: Whatever it is. Well, they got to do their damn job. Yeah,
[50:41] Speaker 4: because I was looking like that.
[50:43] Speaker 1: I'd throw that and see what works. I would.
[50:47] Speaker 3: It's going to be a lot of wheeling and dealing.
[50:50] Speaker 1: Because I'd go get Bigfella Queen if I'm Brooklyn. If
[50:54] Speaker 1: they do do it for three. Now, okay, if you're
[50:58] Speaker 1: a Philly, the one player that they don't want is him.
[51:01] Speaker 3: Is Queen.
[51:02] Speaker 1: Yes. And I'm like, I personally, I mean, I've heard
[51:07] Speaker 1: what's wrong with Embiid. You know, you got real problems
[51:11] Speaker 1: that's real. Wouldn't you have a safety valve right here
[51:15] Speaker 1: that does the same thing? I would, but they ain't
[51:18] Speaker 1: that smart. You said that Embiid situation... It's more dire
[51:24] Speaker 1: than people. I mean, the knee, I mean, other things.
[51:27] Speaker 1: There's nothing with this knee that's going to ever go
[51:29] Speaker 1: back to normal. It just gets worse. It don't get better.
[51:32] Speaker 1: There's no getting better. The knee don't get, it gets
[51:35] Speaker 1: worse over time. So if it's arthritic now, it only
[51:40] Speaker 1: gets worse. We haven't figured out no, I put some
[51:44] Speaker 1: shit in it and just, boom, ta-da, back to normal. No,
[51:47] Speaker 1: whatever's wrong with it, it only gets worse with time.
[51:50] Speaker 1: The hip gets worse with time. So if these two
[51:53] Speaker 1: things are actually bad today, tomorrow and next week is
[51:57] Speaker 1: going to get worse. So you need to have something
[52:00] Speaker 1: in play now with a third pick, and this is
[52:03] Speaker 1: your franchise.
[52:05] Speaker 3: You might want to do a Bynum to Shaq.
[52:11] Speaker 1: Hey, you know, let me go ahead and get this
[52:14] Speaker 1: seven-foot guy. 17-year-old. Let me go ahead. You know what
[52:18] Speaker 1: I mean? So, you know, yeah, we got you, Shaq.
[52:19] Speaker 1: It was cool. You know, maybe three years from now,
[52:22] Speaker 1: he might help us win two rings. You never know.
[52:25] Speaker 3: For sure.
[52:28] Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. For sure. Drafted tonight.
[52:32] Speaker 3: It will be exciting.
[52:33] Speaker 1: No, man. This is an exciting day for these young men, man.
[52:36] Speaker 1: And it's.
[52:38] Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever happens, whatever, however it falls, man, it's exciting.
[52:42] Speaker 1: Two days.
[52:43] Speaker 4: Second round picks as well, man. It never gets old.
[52:49] Speaker 4: Dreams are, I'm saying, reached and So, no, I mean,
[52:55] Speaker 4: it's exciting.
[52:56] Speaker 2: So let's shift back to the Mavs side of things
[52:58] Speaker 2: just real quick. So they got Kyrie locked over a
[53:00] Speaker 2: three-year deal, got Daniel Gafford extended as well, a three-year
[53:03] Speaker 2: $ 60 million deal. So after the Luka trade, Mavs GM
[53:05] Speaker 2: Nico Harrison, easily the most hated man in Dallas, getting
[53:09] Speaker 2: serenaded with fire Nico chants at home games and even
[53:11] Speaker 2: medieval times. But Harrison assembled a solid roster, had the
[53:15] Speaker 2: ping pong balls bouncing in his favor with the Mavs
[53:17] Speaker 2: securing the number one pick. Will Nico Harrison and the
[53:20] Speaker 2: Mavs get the last laugh for the Luka trade?
[53:27] Speaker 1: I mean, is it?
[53:30] Speaker 3: I know, Gil, and that's why I had to ask.
[53:32] Speaker 1: I know.
[53:32] Speaker 3: When you say.
[53:33] Speaker 1: Last laugh, like as in what?
[53:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's.
[53:37] Speaker 1: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
[53:40] Speaker 3: Why so serious? I told you, niggas.
[53:43] Speaker 1: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. He was eating too much
[53:46] Speaker 1: barbecue and smoking hookah. Full circle.
[53:49] Speaker 8: I mean, I guess it's like if Dallas go on
[53:51] Speaker 8: and win championships without him.
[53:53] Speaker 1: That's the last laugh? I think so. And y'all don't.
[53:57] Speaker 1: And the Lakers don't.
[53:58] Speaker 8: Yeah, you guys killed me because I traded y'all favorite player.
[54:02] Speaker 1: And we traded him because we needed to win championships.
[54:04] Speaker 2: Are the Mavs in a better position right now to
[54:06] Speaker 2: win a chip in the near future than the Lakers
[54:07] Speaker 2: are currently?
[54:08] Speaker 8: I mean, I still like it. I still think they
[54:10] Speaker 8: on the up and up. They still got the number
[54:12] Speaker 8: one pick. They got Kyrie locked up. Still got AD.
[54:15] Speaker 8: Still got Klay. Still got veterans.
[54:20] Speaker 1: AD and Kyrie together.
[54:21] Speaker 6: It's like you didn't just keep Kyrie and Gafford and Lively.
[54:27] Speaker 3: Gave him AD. You have Klay. You have Cooper.
[54:29] Speaker 1: And Klay. Come on, man. Come on, man.
[54:35] Speaker 6: Kyrie couldn't be more happy sitting over there smiling in
[54:38] Speaker 6: his spiritual way.
[54:39] Speaker 3: I had to ask you.
[54:40] Speaker 1: I know. I mean, you can ask because when we're
[54:42] Speaker 1: talking about laughing, who is actually laughing? You're saying Dallas is.
[54:46] Speaker 3: Going to laugh at him?
[54:47] Speaker 2: I'm saying Dallas and Nico Harrison, everybody looking at him like.
[54:50] Speaker 1: He was an idiot.
[54:51] Speaker 3: Okay, let's try this.
[54:52] Speaker 1: They're looking at the loan. Like the people. I think everybody. Oh,
[54:56] Speaker 1: the people.
[54:57] Speaker 3: Everybody looking at him like, who the fuck?
[54:58] Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, they can laugh. I'm pretty sure the
[55:00] Speaker 1: Lakers is laughing because they took the asset, traded it,
[55:07] Speaker 1: then used your asset to sell it. Ten billion.
[55:11] Speaker 3: Ten billion.
[55:15] Speaker 1: How many rings are y'all gonna win to say hop
[55:19] Speaker 1: back when you sell your franchise cause right now I
[55:23] Speaker 1: use Luca get your AD hey you give me Luca
[55:27] Speaker 1: hey I got Luca now we're gonna go from 6
[55:30] Speaker 1: billion to 10 When we're talking about laughing, it has
[55:39] Speaker 1: nothing to do with rings. It's about the value of something.
[55:42] Speaker 1: You're talking about Boston sold for $ 6 billion. They gave
[55:47] Speaker 1: you a piece, got back a piece, and then popped
[55:50] Speaker 1: that motherfucker for $ 10. That's the part I'm looking at
[55:54] Speaker 1: when we're talking about laughing. You got to remember, she
[55:58] Speaker 1: got the team for free and sold for $ 10 billion.
[56:01] Speaker 1: They bought it. They bought the team. From right.
[56:07] Speaker 3: What about the first six million Cuban Cuban? Let me see.
[56:12] Speaker 1: They got a price on their head already. So what
[56:15] Speaker 1: is their profit margin when they decide to sell the team?
[56:20] Speaker 1: So to even say ha ha to Jenny, but you
[56:23] Speaker 1: got to sell that bitch or what? Sixteen, fourteen million
[56:27] Speaker 1: to have a ten million dollar profit.
[56:29] Speaker 2: So he sold controlling interest for $ 3. 5 billion.
[56:32] Speaker 1: $ 3. 5. So you got to sell for $ 13 just to
[56:35] Speaker 1: say ha-ha to her. When we're talking about business. So
[56:40] Speaker 1: before they look to trade, was she in trouble? Why not?
[56:47] Speaker 1: I mean, that's... When you look across the owner and
[56:50] Speaker 1: the land... We got the team. Don't really got that bread.
[56:55] Speaker 6: Don't got that million for the analytics staff and all
[56:57] Speaker 6: that other.
[56:58] Speaker 1: I'm confused.
[56:58] Speaker 6: I don't... We gave you something. You get to hide now.
[57:05] Speaker 6: We get to ride now. I think we still get
[57:08] Speaker 6: to laugh.
[57:10] Speaker 4: I still think Nico gets to laugh because we got
[57:13] Speaker 4: to push you out because you was doing such a
[57:14] Speaker 4: bad job.
[57:17] Speaker 1: So, yeah, we kind of saved you.
[57:20] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[57:20] Speaker 1: In a sense. So it shouldn't be a ha-ha. It
[57:22] Speaker 1: should be a thank you. Thank you, Nico. Thank you, Nico.
[57:27] Speaker 1: We're not going to laugh at you. High five.
[57:30] Speaker 2: Which I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it makes you
[57:33] Speaker 2: wonder how all these feel like some bigger. We got
[57:37] Speaker 2: the whole NFL collusion situation going on. It just makes
[57:40] Speaker 2: you wonder. Makes you say, hmm. At the end of
[57:42] Speaker 2: the day, they still came out on top.
[57:44] Speaker 1: Who? The Lakers. You're talking about somebody who's financially don't
[57:47] Speaker 1: have no money. We switched for me to become wealthy.
[57:52] Speaker 1: I don't.
[57:54] Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she's laughing all the way.
[57:57] Speaker 1: Huh? I wouldn't know because they only sold with Luca.
[58:03] Speaker 1: So I can't guess what they were selling out. Ask
[58:06] Speaker 1: it again.
[58:07] Speaker 3: I can't go hypothetical.
[58:09] Speaker 1: Use your chest, man. I can only go with what
[58:14] Speaker 1: it sold for. I can't say it. We do hypotheticals
[58:18] Speaker 1: all the time. But I don't need a hypothetical when
[58:20] Speaker 1: I have a fact right here. The fact it sold
[58:22] Speaker 1: for $ 10 billion. But he's asking you a hypothetical. Last year,
[58:25] Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics sold for $ 6 billion with a championship
[58:29] Speaker 1: on their head.
[58:31] Speaker 3: So I can only say. But smaller market than L.A.
[58:33] Speaker 3: as well.
[58:34] Speaker 1: So I can only say, hey, with $ 10 billion, I
[58:37] Speaker 1: inherited $ 10 billion with no cash.
[58:38] Speaker 2: And I want to say previous estimates were like the
[58:40] Speaker 2: $ 7 to $ 8 billion range for the Lakers.
[58:42] Speaker 1: So two more. That's not a question.
[58:45] Speaker 3: That's a very valid.
[58:47] Speaker 1: And fair question. It's a question that has no answer.
[58:50] Speaker 1: I have no idea.
[58:51] Speaker 6: LeBron and AD Lakers selling for $ 10 billion.
[58:54] Speaker 3: I would venture to say no.
[58:56] Speaker 1: Can we do this? The only way to answer that
[58:57] Speaker 1: question for real, what was the value of the team
[59:02] Speaker 1: last year or at the end of last 2024 or
[59:05] Speaker 1: the beginning of this year? That's the only way we know.
[59:08] Speaker 1: What was the value of the team the beginning of
[59:11] Speaker 1: this season? So we're not given a hypothetical? No, all
[59:16] Speaker 1: we can say is what it was worth before Luka
[59:19] Speaker 1: got there.
[59:19] Speaker 3: That's all we can say.
[59:20] Speaker 1: I think so.
[59:22] Speaker 6: You think they can sell for more? No, I think
[59:24] Speaker 6: they'll sell it for $ 10 billion if he's there or not.
[59:25] Speaker 1: Really? Absolutely. Absolutely. Pulling it up, dude. Absolutely, I think so.
[59:32] Speaker 1: Because it's the Lakers, man. I know, but we can
[59:34] Speaker 1: only go with what it was worth.
[59:36] Speaker 4: It's the franchise. Did Luka put a cherry on top? Yeah,
[59:40] Speaker 4: but I think it still goes for that with or
[59:42] Speaker 4: without it.
[59:43] Speaker 1: Just the name itself. Just the name itself.
[59:45] Speaker 4: Just the name itself, the Lakers brand, history, inflation. Los Angeles,
[59:53] Speaker 4: I think it sells for that. Because it doesn't sell
[59:57] Speaker 4: it before. Was the question, did Luka get the last
[1:00:00] Speaker 4: laugh or Luka and Dallas?
[1:00:02] Speaker 3: Does Niko?
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: Does Niko? Oh, yeah.
[1:00:03] Speaker 8: So if it's Niko, then Niko, his last laugh would
[1:00:06] Speaker 8: be on the court.
[1:00:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, on the court. But you're talking about from the
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: business side.
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: I mean, Niko's never been part of the conversation with
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: laughing because obviously he's laughing the whole time because he
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: wasn't getting fired. That's him.
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: That's what they wanted. So Forbes had the Lakers valued
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: at $ 7. 1 billion in October 2024. All right.
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: So... But... Seven? Seven.
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, 7.1. But the Celtics sale, I'm sure, impacted that.
[1:00:35] Speaker 2: We could say Luka, potentially.
[1:00:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, but the Boston selling for that definitely did. But
[1:00:40] Speaker 4: that's what impacted that, not Luka.
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: Hmm? Boston selling for six impacted that. Yeah, I'm just...
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: More than Luka did. But I'm saying, we can't... We don't... Well,
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: you said when? Hmm?
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: In October, they were valued.
[1:00:52] Speaker 6: At $ 7.
[1:00:53] Speaker 4: And when did Boston sell?
[1:00:56] Speaker 3: For $ 6. 1.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: When?
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: A couple months ago, if I'm not mistaken. The sale
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: went through. And then that new ownership group, I believe,
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: takes over in the next couple weeks. So these are
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: the moves that they're pushing. So let's shift over to
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: the draft. So draft is hours away. Mavs still expected
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: to select Cooper Flagg with the number one overall pick.
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: So Flagg has earned the respect of a lot of
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: current and former stars in the league. He was at
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: Fanatics Fest in New York this weekend, where he got
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: some major love from another former number one pick.
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: That's a bad dude. That's a bad guy. What's up, baby?
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: How you doing? Good. You act good, yeah.
[1:01:38] Speaker 6: So for those keeping track, Iverson gave Flag three daps,
[1:01:49] Speaker 6: a hug, and a shoulder rub. That's all within a
[1:01:51] Speaker 6: span of ten seconds. That ain't even minimum. That's not
[1:01:54] Speaker 6: even minimum. I'm surprised it wasn't six or seven.
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: Minimum.
[1:01:56] Speaker 3: The minimum. Six minimum. 3.3 seconds per dap.
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: Way faster than that. He ain't kissed that guy.
[1:02:05] Speaker 6: He ain't brung him all the way in, man.
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: Man, once he getting his feelings with you, boy. Once
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: he's in trouble.
[1:02:13] Speaker 3: That's when he fuck with you, when he get his
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: feelings with you.
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: Man, get to dappin' you, dappin' you, dappin' you. So
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: I was at the Iverson Classic a few years ago.
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: John Rose and I think no less than nine dapps.
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: in the span of probably 45 seconds. It was a
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: beautiful thing to see. That's how he showed his love.
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: He rocked with you, he rocked with you. And he
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: rocked with most people that play in the NBA. He's
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: a basketball fanatic at his finest. And if he, yeah, so.
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: He know you, he know you. He ain't all of it.
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: A couple more daps. Oh, man.
[1:02:40] Speaker 6: A few daps short, but still nonetheless said he was
[1:02:43] Speaker 6: a bad dude. On Tuesday on ESPN, Kendrick Perkins had
[1:02:46] Speaker 6: this to say about Flagg.
[1:02:48] Speaker 10: This is how I look at Cooper Flagg. If LeBron
[1:02:51] Speaker 10: James and Kevin Garnett had a baby, you'd get Cooper flagging.
[1:02:54] Speaker 10: Why I say that is because when you think about
[1:02:57] Speaker 10: LeBron James, when you think about LeBron James, you think
[1:03:00] Speaker 10: of a complete basketball player, right? Jay, you just ran
[1:03:04] Speaker 10: off the stats. He led the team in everything. That's
[1:03:07] Speaker 10: a LeBron James type thing. And you talked about his passion,
[1:03:10] Speaker 10: his tenacity. I'm watching KG all over again, the way
[1:03:14] Speaker 10: that he plays with a high level. We don't give
[1:03:16] Speaker 10: players enough credit like Cooper Flagg. I think it's a
[1:03:19] Speaker 10: skill to have a high motor like he has. And
[1:03:22] Speaker 10: you talk about his competitive nature and saying this is
[1:03:24] Speaker 10: one of the most competitive guys over the last 20 years.
[1:03:28] Speaker 10: It is because most guys in high school nowadays, they
[1:03:31] Speaker 10: reclass and go the other way. He reclassed up. So
[1:03:35] Speaker 10: he's running up the chimney looking for the smoke. And
[1:03:37] Speaker 10: I love everything about this young man. I love how
[1:03:39] Speaker 10: humble he is. I love how low maintenance he is
[1:03:43] Speaker 10: and how hard working he is.
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: And he's a generational talent.
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: So you guys had some issue with the LeBron KG.
[1:03:52] Speaker 4: Yeah we just want like there are WNBA players that's
[1:03:55] Speaker 4: athletic and so you just didn't want to pick one
[1:03:57] Speaker 4: of them.
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: There's a tennis player like tennis arena some athletic female
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: a swimmer a soccer player some chick you grew up
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: with I don't know but that's cool and if you
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: want to be politically correct don't use someone that's Got
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: another nigga already. If you're going to say Asia, it'd
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: be like Bam and Asia. You just be correct about it.
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: You got to think single. Whatever you want to do.
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: Not that.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: Learn something new every day on Gil's Arena.
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: But basically saying.
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: No. Why would he say that? Why would you even
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: make that comparison? Basically ain't saying shit that we understand. So...
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg is very competitive. He plays hard. He's, yes,
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: generational talent. So that was my next question.
[1:04:54] Speaker 6: Do you agree with Big Perk saying Cooper Flagg is
[1:04:57] Speaker 6: a generational talent?
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: It's Christian Laettner. Yes. He's Tyler Harris, bro. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: Hell no. Hell yes, Kenya. Hell yes. He's good. He's
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: very good. He's solid. He's more athletic. He's more athletic
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: than both of them. He's solid. But he's more athletic
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: than both of them. Y'all hyping him like he's somebody.
[1:05:21] Speaker 4: No, but you compared him to two guys that can't
[1:05:24] Speaker 4: jump over a Saturday's newspaper.
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: They can jump. Who? He ain't damn more athletic than him.
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: I didn't say they was. I said they can jump.
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: But they're not athletic. They can play. They're not athletic.
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: But he can't play like them. But he's athletic. He's
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: not good like them. Yes, sir. I've seen him play
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: in person with these two eyes. I have too. The
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: kid can play, man.
[1:05:41] Speaker 4: So he's more athletic than them two. He's more athletic
[1:05:46] Speaker 4: than them two.
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: He's got potential. He's not better than Zion was. At what?
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: At basketball? Yes. Yes, he is. Yes, he is.
[1:05:56] Speaker 4: Yes, he is better at basketball than Zion. Shoots the
[1:06:01] Speaker 4: ball better from the perimeter.
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Zion's more athletic than him. All those things. Yes. Absolutely. Yes,
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: I said it. That's good.
[1:06:14] Speaker 3: They heard it.
[1:06:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody heard it. I ain't got to say nothing.
[1:06:17] Speaker 4: Everybody heard it. Yes, I said it. At basketball, the skills, yes.
[1:06:22] Speaker 1: You better than Luau Dean when he was at Duke? Luau,
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: I didn't watch Luau Dean play at Duke. I was busy.
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: I was busy doing other shit.
[1:06:29] Speaker 3: You think Luau Dean better than Cooper Flagg in their
[1:06:31] Speaker 3: time at Duke?
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: There was a lot of Duke players that were very good, bro. Okay, cool.
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: Very good. Cool. He played one year, just like a
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: lot of those other guys. Yeah. Brandon Ingram, Jason Tatum. Mm-hmm. Man,
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: those guys were really good.
[1:06:44] Speaker 3: Tyrell, every good.
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Elton Brand, a lot of guys were really good.
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: Played against him? Yeah. He does not eclipse none of
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: those guys. Did I say that? No. Did I say that?
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: That's what Coach K said. But I said that I
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: said it. We're having a conversation. I'm just talking. Y'all
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: said y'all don't like arguing. Y'all said y'all don't like arguing.
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: We're having a conversation. I didn't say that. Oh, you
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: said you don't like arguing. You said that Christian Legna
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: and you compared him to Christian Legna and Tyler Hansberg
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: is what the fuck you said. Yeah, I'm making a statement.
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: And I said no. But you said you don't want
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: to argue.
[1:07:16] Speaker 4: It was a conversation and debate, but we're not finna
[1:07:18] Speaker 4: say that he's... You want to argue? You said that
[1:07:22] Speaker 4: what Coach K said, I didn't... Do you.
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: Want to argue it? Are we going to argue it?
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: Coach K.
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: Seth Flagg, the best freshman, coached a lot of those
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: gentlemen that you previously met.
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: Are we going to argue it? Cool. I think we'll
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: have a healthy, positive discussion.
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: What was the question?
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: Tyler Hansborough, no.
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: My question was, do you agree with Big Perk saying
[1:07:40] Speaker 2: that Cooper Flagg is a generational talent?
[1:07:43] Speaker 1: Okay. From the how generational talent is used, yes, he's
[1:07:49] Speaker 1: a generational talent. Talent is potential. Player, generational player, is
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: what you do with that talent. With that talent, once
[1:08:01] Speaker 1: you're in the pros. Talent is immature stage. People got
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: confused because ESPN came in and started just using talent
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: To be a player.
[1:08:15] Speaker 6: Right?
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: So when we say generational talent, that's from the ages
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: of like 10 to 17, 18. So when we say.
[1:08:21] Speaker 3: Talent, that's all.
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: Wimby was a talent. Generational talent. LeBron was a talent
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: and then became a player. Kobe, talent. Michael Phelps, talent. Everybody,
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: it's an amateur status. So from the ages of 13,
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: he's been number one and all that. Yeah, so right
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: now he's a... He's a generational talent. We don't know
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: if he's going to turn into a generational player. Like,
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: Curry is a generational player, meaning what he did as
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: a player changed the generation.
[1:08:52] Speaker 3: But he wasn't a generational talent. Okay, coming in.
[1:08:55] Speaker 6: Okay.
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: And sometimes generational talents don't... turn into generational players. What
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: makes a generational talent? Your physique. Who you are.
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: The things you do with your.
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: Like Chris Humphries was considered a generational talent. Even though
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: nobody knows, he was ranked... as 10-year-olds, the fastest swimmer
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: that damn near, he had records. He was in front
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: of Michael Phelps. The future Olympians, right? Yeah, he was,
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: the people, yeah, Chris Humphries was a, so generational talent is,
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: your sport, The sport that they have you in, in
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: ranked in, is swimming. They say, I want to have
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: fun playing basketball. And then he becomes a pro at basketball.
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: That's what generational talent is. That they can take you
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: out of whatever you're supposed to be doing and then
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: put you in something else and you still become successful
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: in life. That's what generational talent is.
[1:09:56] Speaker 6: So what did they take Cooper Flagg out of?
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, right now, it's talent. The talent
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: of his makeup, body, he's been ranked number one ever
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: since he was 13 years old. Amongst his 13-year-old, he
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: stands way above. That's the talent.
[1:10:12] Speaker 6: So you was a generational talent.
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: No, he wouldn't be considered a generational talent. Who was
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: in your class? Me, Tariq Evans, Drew Holiday, DeMar DeRozan.
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: Anybody else?
[1:10:27] Speaker 1: Who?
[1:10:28] Speaker 6: Greg.
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: Greg. Based on talent, you would be a generational talent, correct? No. No.
[1:10:34] Speaker 6: I don't know.
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: I would say you were very talented. It was number one.
[1:10:38] Speaker 1: It was the number one player. Everything y'all saying. Who
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: was ranked number one? When I was a freshman in
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: high school? Yeah. Who was that athletic motherfucker just everybody
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: just praised on?
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: As a senior?
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: No, as a freshman.
[1:10:52] Speaker 3: Eighth grade, freshman year, all of them.
[1:10:55] Speaker 8: It would have to be Tariq Evans and Damar.
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: They would have been considered the generational talent of the group.
[1:11:03] Speaker 3: His skill level turned him into the player.
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: Wasn't you number one? Yeah. As a senior. Cooper Flagg,
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: 8th grade, 7th grade, 8th grade, 9th, 10th, 11th. We
[1:11:18] Speaker 1: class went number one. So it's... Like, but.
[1:11:24] Speaker 3: Like Zion.
[1:11:25] Speaker 1: Lakin and Tyler Harris, bro. Really, bro? Like, we understand
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: they went to the.
[1:11:29] Speaker 6: Christian Lakin is an all-American legendary player.
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: Yes, cool. Four years. Like Shaquille O'Neal. Like Shaquille O'Neal,
[1:11:37] Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. Those are freaky. It's a joke. Motherfucker said,
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: Tyler Hansborough, boy. Tiger Woods and golf.
[1:11:46] Speaker 11: Right?
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: Coco. He didn't do nothing. Serena Williams. I was about
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: to say Serena. Serena, those are the national player of
[1:11:50] Speaker 1: the year. If he stays long, he's national player of
[1:11:53] Speaker 1: the year.
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: Messi.
[1:11:54] Speaker 1: Messi. He's the number one player of the year. I'm
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: going to start counting these ifs. He went one year.
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: Start counting these ifs. Start counting these ifs. Why would
[1:12:02] Speaker 1: he stay around if he's going to be number one player?
[1:12:04] Speaker 1: Bo Jackson. These are generations. Why would he stick around? Okay.
[1:12:08] Speaker 1: Hold on. Before the pros, like these guys are supposed
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: to be Hall of Famers. Riddle me that shit. Zach
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: Eady did it.
[1:12:16] Speaker 4: Riddle me that shit. We're not talking about Zach Eady here.
[1:12:19] Speaker 4: We're talking about Cooper Flagg and Tyler Hansborough.
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: You said... Tyler Hansborough is a national champion, a college player,
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: all those things. Junior, senior year. Junior, senior year, yes.
[1:12:28] Speaker 4: If Cooper Flagg sticks around, he's all of those things
[1:12:30] Speaker 4: as well. So what are you saying to me?
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: We don't know that. He's the number one pick. We
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: don't know that. He left school to be the number
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: one pick. So what the fuck is he sticking around for?
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: So what generational is, where Cooper Flagg is getting this
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: award was Tyler Hansborough that as a freshman. No, they're
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: not even the same planet. They're not even close. They're
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: not the same planet. 12th grade, 10th grade, 11th grade.
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: 9th grade, they're not.
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: But you know what Tyler Hansborough was? Who cares? What
[1:12:53] Speaker 1: he turned into as a player. We're talking about talent.
[1:12:56] Speaker 1: He's just raw. He's not fat. He was the number
[1:12:58] Speaker 1: one high school player. He's not fat.
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: As a freshman?
[1:13:03] Speaker 1: As a senior in high school. As a freshman.
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: One was a junior that went up to be a senior.
[1:13:06] Speaker 1: The same thing that Cooper is, Tyler was.
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: At seventh, eighth grade?
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: Everything that Cooper was, Tyler was. The White House was
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: a generational talent. Okay.
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: So we asked the chat, is Cooper flag generational?
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: No.
[1:13:18] Speaker 2: 54% of the chat said yes.
[1:13:22] Speaker 3: 46% of the chat said no. Tyler Hansborough, 2.0.
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: Damn.
[1:13:27] Speaker 3: Boy, please.
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: Damn. How much? 46%. Man, these people don't know fucking basketball.
[1:13:32] Speaker 1: Nobody know basketball. They don't know basketball. Those are the options.
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: Don't know basketball. Trust me. Like Wimby.
[1:13:39] Speaker 6: Because I know he didn't look like Kevin Garnett out there.
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: Did I say that? I know he did not. You
[1:13:43] Speaker 1: compared him to Tyler. I didn't compare him to Perkz.
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: That's what Perkz said, yeah. I didn't. You brought up
[1:13:47] Speaker 1: Tyler Hansborough in this conversation.
[1:13:49] Speaker 6: I'm talking to Perkz. You injected yourself into the conversation. No,
[1:13:53] Speaker 6: we asked him questions. We're talking the topic is him.
[1:13:55] Speaker 6: But you brought up Tyler Hansborough. This was my assessment.
[1:13:58] Speaker 6: And you brought up Tyler Hansborough. It triggered you, though. No,
[1:14:00] Speaker 6: it didn't trigger me. It didn't take no response. That's
[1:14:03] Speaker 6: my second deal.
[1:14:04] Speaker 1: You brought up Tyler Hansborough. It's accurate. They said it. 2.0.
[1:14:08] Speaker 1: What'd they say? You brought up Tyler Hansborough 2.0. So
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: they agreed with me. Was that part of the question?
[1:14:13] Speaker 1: They made it a part of the question. But they
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: agreed with me. No, they made it a part of
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: the question. No, the chat made it a part of
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: the question. the chat don't make the question they make
[1:14:28] Speaker 1: the questions they make the question and the chat asked
[1:14:31] Speaker 1: so the chat didn't say yes 2.0 they asked so
[1:14:35] Speaker 1: you can't no but he put in you gotta put
[1:14:37] Speaker 1: in the option there was two options so they knew
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: they knew the conversation they knew the conversation you brought
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: Tyler Hansborough into a general talent conversation and they agreed 46%
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: people agree with me no he's not 47 46 no,
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: no 47. No, no, no 47 was a hands where
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: that was 2% hands were 2.0.
[1:15:02] Speaker 3: Whatever it was.
[1:15:04] Speaker 6: The question was Cooper's generational the options were yes or no.
[1:15:08] Speaker 1: Like Wayne Gretzky. If you go back to Wayne Gretzky
[1:15:12] Speaker 1: at 13, he was considered a generational talent. That's potential.
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: He's not a pro yet by Adam Banks, right? So
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: when we talk about tennis, right? At 13, what was Federer?
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: What was he considered then? Before he became a pro. Coco.
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: It's not a pro thing. It's you. It's you. How
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: far are you in front of the field? You know,
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: like when they, hey, you in the 90 cent percentile.
[1:15:42] Speaker 3: And your weight class.
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: Like, that's like Muhammad Ali generational talent. Like Tyson. Tyson.
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: generational talent.
[1:15:53] Speaker 3: Tiger Woods.
[1:15:53] Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods, yeah. Mayweather wouldn't be generational talent.
[1:15:58] Speaker 1: He would have been generational player. He's a generational, like,
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: it's not the talent part. He is the 50 and 0.
[1:16:06] Speaker 1: Roy Jones would be considered the generational talent. Like, it's
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: shit like that. It's the skill set. It's the physique.
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: It's the things. Pretty Boy Floyd wasn't talented? We didn't
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: say that. I'm asking. We didn't say that. I just asked. No.
[1:16:24] Speaker 1: I didn't say you said it. I asked.
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: I feel like he was knocking people out when he
[1:16:27] Speaker 3: was young.
[1:16:28] Speaker 1: Was he talented? Was he not a generational talent? No. Okay.
[1:16:33] Speaker 1: That's all I asked. No, that ain't what you said
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: at first. That's exactly what I asked. See, the thing is,
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: you niggas with these wordplay, your first thing you said
[1:16:41] Speaker 1: was he talented. And then you switch to generational talent.
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: What's the conversation are we having? Are we having a
[1:16:47] Speaker 1: conversation on generational talent? So if I shortcut the word,
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: it boggles everything up. No, because you niggas try to
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: move the fucking goalposts all the time. The same word.
[1:16:58] Speaker 6: No, it's not. What conversation are we having? generational talent.
[1:17:05] Speaker 1: A motherfucker that plays the piano is talented. Stevie Wonder
[1:17:09] Speaker 1: is fucking generational talent. That's fucking no. No, you're moving it.
[1:17:14] Speaker 1: You moved it. I just wanted y'all to answer the question.
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: Y'all just went crazy. But just answer one of them.
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: It's two different things. Just answer one of them. Was
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: Steph Curry a generational talent growing up? No. Was Steph
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: Curry talented? That's two different things. I didn't ask that. Yes,
[1:17:36] Speaker 1: you did. Oh, my God. You put talented. for Mayweather. Yes,
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: he is talented. Is Pretty Boy Floyd a generational talent? No,
[1:17:47] Speaker 1: that ain't what you said. I just said it. Just now.
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: I'm out. What is your question?
[1:17:50] Speaker 6: Is Pretty Boy Floyd a generational talent?
[1:17:55] Speaker 1: Was he a generational talent growing up? No, he wasn't.
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: That's all I wanted them to hear y'all say. No,
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: that's it. The reason I asked. He is a generational fighter.
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: I'm sure he would disagree.
[1:18:07] Speaker 3: Meaning.
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody in his camp would too. No, they wouldn't.
[1:18:13] Speaker 3: Because they was there.
[1:18:14] Speaker 1: No, because they was there. No, because they was there.
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: Because they was there. Because they was there. When they
[1:18:19] Speaker 1: around him, guess what? You're right, champ. You're the best, champ. Everything, champ. Champ, champ.
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: You're the best. Everything, champ. You him, champ. Generation talent, champ.
[1:18:28] Speaker 1: So yes, they would. He beat Joe Lewis in that.
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: Once Floyd hears the understanding, then he will understand the difference.
[1:18:37] Speaker 1: When you looked at Mike Tyson as a 15-year-old, not
[1:18:42] Speaker 1: grown-ass man, the speed, the power, who he was, Before
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: one fight, generational talent. Y'all telling me that's Cooper Flagg.
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: That's what y'all telling me. That's the full circle. Y'all
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: telling me Cooper Flagg is a Mike Tyson generational talent.
[1:19:01] Speaker 1: When Floyd was fighting, his loss in the Olympics... His
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: work ethic, his drive turned him into a generational fighter. See,
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: the talent is... It's hope. It's not defined. It's just raw.
[1:19:26] Speaker 1: So that means if I take the body of Mike Tyson,
[1:19:29] Speaker 1: someone is looking at this like, I can carve him
[1:19:31] Speaker 1: into a champion. Because of the attributes he's bringing. The speed,
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: the power, the movement. It's before fights have occurred. That's
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: what talent means. Generational boxer is what you did as
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: a boxer.
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: That's where Floyd comes in at.
[1:19:54] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:19:55] Speaker 6: Floyd got cheated in the Olympics. He was a prodigy.
[1:19:57] Speaker 6: He was a generational talent before he lost.
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: So if I Google, was Floyd a generational talent at 13?
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: Will this say yes? I don't know. I haven't asked
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: that question yet. I did. You did? Did you just
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: do it just now? Jerry Rice, because I wanted to
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: see the difference between Jerry Rice, was he considered a
[1:20:21] Speaker 1: generational talent, or did he become a player because of
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: his acting?
[1:20:25] Speaker 6: So who's telling you the answer to these things? I
[1:20:27] Speaker 6: only support the real A.I. Well, I didn't look it up.
[1:20:30] Speaker 6: How many daps would A.I.
[1:20:31] Speaker 3: Give it?
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: How about this?
[1:20:33] Speaker 6: Who's giving you these answers so I know, so I
[1:20:35] Speaker 6: can go ask for the answers so I can be correct?
[1:20:37] Speaker 3: Here, I'll tell you the difference.
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: If we take Cam Newton.
[1:20:41] Speaker 1: And we take Tom Brady, right? We take their body
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: before college. Which one will fall under generational talent and
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: one will fall under what? What would be Brady at
[1:20:55] Speaker 1: that moment in time? A sixth-round pick. Now, we can't
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: call Brady talent now. He has to be generational player
[1:21:07] Speaker 1: because of what he did with his work ethic and
[1:21:10] Speaker 1: his attributes and his skill and his accomplishments. He changed
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: the game. That's where the accomplishments come from, and that
[1:21:17] Speaker 1: becomes the player himself. Got it.
[1:21:21] Speaker 3: Well, let's keep this thing moving.
[1:21:23] Speaker 2: So during the media availability Tuesday, Flagg was asked about
[1:21:25] Speaker 2: his decision to reclassify in high school to position himself
[1:21:29] Speaker 2: as the youngest number one pick since LeBron James and
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: had this response.
[1:21:33] Speaker 7: I quote my mom likes to say a lot, you know,
[1:21:35] Speaker 7: if you're the best player in the gym, then you
[1:21:37] Speaker 7: need to find a new gym. So for me, it
[1:21:39] Speaker 7: was about thinking about what I had left to do
[1:21:43] Speaker 7: in high school and how much that would push me
[1:21:45] Speaker 7: to become a better player.
[1:21:48] Speaker 2: If you're the best player in the gym, find a
[1:21:50] Speaker 2: new gym. Do you like Flag's mentality when it comes
[1:21:52] Speaker 2: to seeking out challenges?
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: Shit. Yeah.
[1:21:57] Speaker 3: Re-class.
[1:21:58] Speaker 1: Hey, if you're the best player, yeah.
[1:22:00] Speaker 4: Just like I said, if you're the smartest man in
[1:22:01] Speaker 4: the room, you need to find another room, right?
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:22:04] Speaker 4: So that's the same thing, right? It fits the same standard.
[1:22:09] Speaker 4: So to be pushed, to be great, realize where you are,
[1:22:14] Speaker 4: I'm with it.
[1:22:16] Speaker 2: Leave high school a year early, end up leading Duke, points, rebounds, assists,
[1:22:18] Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, for the season. Mr. B, how
[1:22:22] Speaker 2: do you feel about Flagg's mentality when it comes to
[1:22:24] Speaker 2: seeking out challenges, not ducking smoke?
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: I like it. I like it.
[1:22:29] Speaker 8: I saw him at Curry Camp a couple years ago
[1:22:31] Speaker 8: with him and Ace, and just his work ethic and
[1:22:35] Speaker 8: his attention to detail I loved, and the fact that
[1:22:38] Speaker 8: he wanted to classify up and play and take on challenges,
[1:22:42] Speaker 8: you know, I love it. So, you know, I just
[1:22:44] Speaker 8: like his mentality.
[1:22:45] Speaker 3: So that's the first thing about it.
[1:22:48] Speaker 2: How do you feel about flag mentality in terms of reclassifying?
[1:22:53] Speaker 2: Wanted to take a bigger challenge because they're saying high
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: school niggas were trash and I need a new test.
[1:22:59] Speaker 1: That's fine.
[1:23:00] Speaker 3: In his words, not mine.
[1:23:03] Speaker 1: Good luck. Got a lot to prove.
[1:23:06] Speaker 3: Does have a lot to prove. Has a lot of
[1:23:07] Speaker 3: weight on his shoulders. Gil, how about yourself?
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather was considered a generational talent by the age
[1:23:19] Speaker 1: of 13.
[1:23:21] Speaker 3: So, what's wrong?
[1:23:24] Speaker 1: Cool. Excuse me?
[1:23:24] Speaker 3: Who was wrong?
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: I was. About what? Floyd?
[1:23:28] Speaker 3: Floyd, yeah.
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: He was a generational... You thought I was paying attention
[1:23:32] Speaker 1: to y'all niggas? I mean, listen, man, I know what
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: I know. What the fuck y'all talking about? Cool. I
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: know why y'all don't want to... I be doing my shit, man.
[1:23:40] Speaker 3: Image your career. He was 84 and 6.
[1:23:42] Speaker 1: Cool. Shout out Foy Mayweather. Absolutely. The GOAT, man. We
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: had many conversations about all this shit.
[1:23:51] Speaker 3: You the best, champ.
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, so he just wasn't a promising talent. He was
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: a generational one at 13.
[1:23:59] Speaker 3: So he was amongst.
[1:24:00] Speaker 1: Cool. I dig it. It turned out even more. Absolutely. Okay,
[1:24:08] Speaker 1: so in basketball terms, right? Generational player. No, generational talent
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: is an all-star. Generational player is all NBA. Generational player
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: is higher than a talent.
[1:24:23] Speaker 3: Okay. So Floyd was both.
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, he ended up turning his talent into an actual thing.
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: So there's generational players who flop.
[1:24:33] Speaker 1: Okay. You know? I dig it.
[1:24:35] Speaker 3: I mean, I came in a draft for one just
[1:24:37] Speaker 3: in case.
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: This nigga, he's stupid, man. All right. All right. Let's go.
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: Don't stop. I'm just saying. All right. All right. All right.
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: Generational player. Sight. So he's still a generational player. He
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: just didn't conform that bitch into a cake. Sight.
[1:24:56] Speaker 3: Just like little kids. Just a little dough everywhere. A
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: little egg over here. Some shells in the shit.
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
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[1:26:14] Speaker 2: keeping it in line with the draft.
[1:26:16] Speaker 3: What happened? Y'all struggling with the road?
[1:26:17] Speaker 1: No. No, we're just live. No, we're just live. No,
[1:26:19] Speaker 1: we're just live. No shit. No. We can't claim one
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: for one name and then Wednesday. Well, look. No, no, no,
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: I was going to let him read this. No, no, no,
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: I was going to let him read.
[1:26:32] Speaker 4: This thing, but it don't change the fact that you
[1:26:35] Speaker 4: brought Tyler Hansborough up in this conversation.
[1:26:38] Speaker 1: Tim claims one name right. He's a generational talent. The
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: other niggas you got, oh. That's a funny part. You
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: brought Tyler Hansborough up in this conversation. In a generational
[1:26:51] Speaker 1: talent conversation. On one name.
[1:26:53] Speaker 3: On one name.
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: That's what we're laughing about. I'm sorry. You're one for nine.
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: Tyler Hansborough. Of all the people that you could have missed,
[1:27:07] Speaker 1: you brought him up. Y'all niggas stop scrambling.
[1:27:09] Speaker 3: You're in the bag.
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: Where's the pay? The bag.
[1:27:14] Speaker 6: How many opens if I open it? Suffocating that motherfucker.
[1:27:18] Speaker 6: Why you in there?
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: Just sit in there and let it sit. Let me
[1:27:22] Speaker 1: fart in the bag so y'all niggas can smell the
[1:27:24] Speaker 1: shit y'all in.
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: Y'all in the shit.
[1:27:28] Speaker 6: Close the bag, smell the shit. Suffocating the shit, man.
[1:27:31] Speaker 6: Give me my flowers, let's move on to the next topic.
[1:27:34] Speaker 3: Fuck around and find out, man.
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: Fuck. Y'all tried to win. Y'all tried to win. That
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: Kobe energy you're hearing, that shit made you go back
[1:27:46] Speaker 1: to the archives. We're wrong about Floyd being a talent
[1:27:49] Speaker 1: versus a player.
[1:27:51] Speaker 3: From the age of 13.
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: Brandon Jennings? Brandon Jennings? But the other 30 people we named,
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: we're right about.
[1:27:59] Speaker 6: Fart in a body bag and zip up the body
[1:28:01] Speaker 6: bag to the fart state.
[1:28:02] Speaker 1: We're 30 and 31. You're 1 and 30. It's weird.
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: That's right. I got it. We named 30 people. We
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: was wrong about him at 13.
[1:28:09] Speaker 11: Heaven.
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: Heaven. They in heaven smelling like shit. I didn't know
[1:28:12] Speaker 1: he was a generational talent that young. That's all. All
[1:28:15] Speaker 1: the 30 niggas I'm right about. If I said Freddie,
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: I'd do. Freddie, I'd do at 13. Generational talent. Let's
[1:28:19] Speaker 1: keep it draft-centric. The fact that y'all going to put
[1:28:36] Speaker 1: in the chat, the Tyler. I didn't do it, Kenyon.
[1:28:38] Speaker 1: Whoever fucking did it. I'm a vessel. Right? I have
[1:28:41] Speaker 1: two hands. I'm broke, baby.
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: These hands are for hosting. Ladies and gentlemen, these hands
[1:28:46] Speaker 2: are merely for hosting. I played against Tyler Harrisborough. We're
[1:28:50] Speaker 2: not going to snitch on who did it.
[1:28:51] Speaker 1: Oh, shit. And what did I tell him, Josiah, when
[1:28:54] Speaker 1: he went to shoot the ball? Hell no.
[1:28:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's exactly what I thought about his game.
[1:29:01] Speaker 3: Hell yes, Kenyon.
[1:29:02] Speaker 1: Hell yes. He made it. Let's shift over.
[1:29:05] Speaker 2: So Ace Bailey been the subject of discussion in recent
[1:29:08] Speaker 2: days after refusing to work out for any team leading
[1:29:10] Speaker 2: up to the draft. Bailey was presumed locked to go
[1:29:12] Speaker 2: to the Sixers with a third pick, but now there's
[1:29:15] Speaker 2: uncertainty over where he will end up getting selected. So
[1:29:17] Speaker 2: back in May, current Sixers guard Paul George had high
[1:29:20] Speaker 2: praise for Bailey offering this assessment of his game on
[1:29:23] Speaker 2: his podcast piece show.
[1:29:25] Speaker 11: I think he has big-time potential. He has big-time talent.
[1:29:29] Speaker 11: He can score from any spot on the floor. He
[1:29:31] Speaker 11: has an isolation game, which you don't see that often
[1:29:34] Speaker 11: in kids that size that early. He can make plays.
[1:29:37] Speaker 11: He can shoot over top of defenses. He can take
[1:29:39] Speaker 11: advantage of mismatches. He can handle the ball in pick
[1:29:42] Speaker 11: and rolls. He can catch and shoot. He can defend.
[1:29:44] Speaker 11: I've seen him play elite defense on chase down blocks
[1:29:48] Speaker 11: running guys off threes defending keeping guys in front of
[1:29:50] Speaker 11: i think he just has tremendous talent if there was
[1:29:53] Speaker 11: no cooper flag ace bailey would have been an even
[1:29:55] Speaker 11: bigger name that people would have been talking about in
[1:29:57] Speaker 11: this draft i love his upside man i've been a
[1:30:00] Speaker 11: fan of his game for a little while now i
[1:30:02] Speaker 11: think he's gonna be huge in league he's definitely gonna
[1:30:04] Speaker 11: come in the league and people think it might take
[1:30:06] Speaker 11: him a minute based off of his skill set but
[1:30:08] Speaker 11: i think he's gonna come into the league and make
[1:30:09] Speaker 11: noise right away.
[1:30:11] Speaker 2: So that was back in may So Bailey had a
[1:30:13] Speaker 2: meeting scheduled with the Sixers on June 20th, but canceled
[1:30:16] Speaker 2: the day of. So in the aftermath of all the
[1:30:18] Speaker 2: discourse around Bailey and his pre-draft decisions, PG offered these
[1:30:22] Speaker 2: thoughts recently.
[1:30:23] Speaker 11: If I'm Ace Bailey, I can't get mad if my
[1:30:26] Speaker 11: stock drops. He's canceled all workouts. Like, he hasn't worked
[1:30:29] Speaker 11: out for any team.
[1:30:30] Speaker 1: Not one team? No.
[1:30:32] Speaker 3: He hasn't worked out for any team.
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: He's tripping.
[1:30:35] Speaker 11: I think they made a big deal because we were
[1:30:36] Speaker 11: scheduled to work him out, and he canceled the day of.
[1:30:38] Speaker 11: But he hasn't worked out for any team. Boy, you're
[1:30:41] Speaker 11: not in a position to be making those demands. Make
[1:30:44] Speaker 11: it to the league first.
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: Do you think that's him or the people around him?
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: For sure the people around him. I don't think they're
[1:30:51] Speaker 1: going about it the right way. That, again, just seems bold.
[1:30:54] Speaker 11: That's a kid that's been paid in college, bro.
[1:30:56] Speaker 1: I got money. I will tell you where I want
[1:31:00] Speaker 1: to go. I got money now. This is a business.
[1:31:01] Speaker 11: If I'm going to put my money behind you, I
[1:31:04] Speaker 11: need to know that you're going to represent us well.
[1:31:08] Speaker 11: It's almost me before the team, before he's on a team.
[1:31:13] Speaker 11: He's not wrong for wanting to be a number one option.
[1:31:16] Speaker 1: I'm with him all the way.
[1:31:17] Speaker 11: The way of going about it is just not right.
[1:31:21] Speaker 2: So on the eve of the draft yesterday, Bailey met
[1:31:23] Speaker 2: with media where he was asked about not working out
[1:31:25] Speaker 2: for any teams. And he said, I can control what
[1:31:28] Speaker 2: I can control, me playing basketball. He was also asked
[1:31:31] Speaker 2: about his decision to skip the Sixers workout and responded,
[1:31:34] Speaker 2: I'm just blessed to be in this position I am
[1:31:35] Speaker 2: right now.
[1:31:37] Speaker 1: That's all.
[1:31:38] Speaker 3: Take it day by day.
[1:31:39] Speaker 2: So for what it's worth, according to reports, the Sixers
[1:31:41] Speaker 2: are still interested in taking Bailey with the third pick.
[1:31:44] Speaker 3: But should Ace Bailey's.
[1:31:45] Speaker 2: Decision to not work out for any teams cause him
[1:31:48] Speaker 2: to slide in the draft?
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: Ask the question again.
[1:31:51] Speaker 3: Should Ace Bailey's decision to not work out for any team.
[1:31:54] Speaker 1: Should his decision.
[1:31:55] Speaker 3: Not working out for any teams.
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: Impact it? Yeah. Should it? Will it? Don't. Let's try
[1:32:08] Speaker 1: this again.
[1:32:09] Speaker 3: How about this?
[1:32:12] Speaker 1: Do you think he gives a fuck? Do you think
[1:32:15] Speaker 1: he cares? Because if he cared, then he would be
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: doing it. If we listen to what he said in May,
[1:32:22] Speaker 1: if there was no Cooper flag, he would be the
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: number one pick. So with that being said, if I'm
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: going into this draft, do I give a fuck about
[1:32:34] Speaker 1: where I get drafted? team-wise or pick-wise. And these kids
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: are very different than us. Before, we used to care
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: about the number where I got picked. These kids care
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: about the team now. Like, why would I want to
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: go to Sixers if you were there? They're going to
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: play you. There's an Embiid. I'm not going there. There's
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: a Maxie. So I personally, thinking about my future, I
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: don't want to go there. I want to go to
[1:33:06] Speaker 1: where I want to go so I can be the man.
[1:33:09] Speaker 1: I don't want to go to a team where I'm
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: going to be second fiddle or coming off the bench.
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: So I'm looking at what? I'm going to look at you,
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: the Charlotte. Let me see what my thing is in Charlotte.
[1:33:20] Speaker 6: What am I thinking about Jazz? His team has sold
[1:33:23] Speaker 6: the Hornets and Jazz not to draft.
[1:33:24] Speaker 1: Cool. So again, I'm looking at the Jazz, Hornets. So
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: most likely, what? Am I looking at the Wizards? I'm
[1:33:32] Speaker 1: trying to put myself in a pit. But did you? Huh?
[1:33:36] Speaker 1: But did he? Yes, if you don't pick me, I'm
[1:33:39] Speaker 1: going to. No, he didn't work out for nobody. Yeah,
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: because I already know who I'm going to. I already know.
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: Whatever team that I'm talking to behind the scenes, we've
[1:33:46] Speaker 1: already came to an agreement. That's what I waited in
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: the whole time. I'm saying that the whole time.
[1:33:50] Speaker 3: Well, give me that.
[1:33:51] Speaker 6: So I was saying that the whole time. Let's further it, though.
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: We didn't think he was doing any workouts or no meetings.
[1:33:59] Speaker 1: But there is a such thing as a private workout, right?
[1:34:03] Speaker 6: It ain't shit private in 2025, nigga. But is there
[1:34:06] Speaker 6: a such thing as it?
[1:34:07] Speaker 1: No. So it's a private meeting still? No.
[1:34:11] Speaker 2: Nothing private? Well, it's private until we find out about it.
[1:34:15] Speaker 2: So not even a private conversation?
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: Not in 2025. I don't believe so, no. Man, I
[1:34:21] Speaker 1: don't think so. Us Wizards is going to be fine.
[1:34:25] Speaker 1: Let's just say that. The Wizards is going to be good.
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: Who's our three man? Huh?
[1:34:30] Speaker 8: I don't have a problem with him controlling his own area.
[1:34:32] Speaker 1: I got a nice veteran team over there, too.
[1:34:34] Speaker 3: A lot of them.
[1:34:34] Speaker 1: Hey, who's our... So, you can come in here right
[1:34:38] Speaker 1: now and do what? Was the Lupa trade a secret?
[1:34:40] Speaker 3: Yeah. Huh?
[1:34:40] Speaker 6: There were discussions that went on, I think, a month
[1:34:43] Speaker 6: in advance. Was it a private trade?
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: Was it a private trade? Was the Luca trade a
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: private trade? Was it a private, silent, backdoor trade?
[1:34:52] Speaker 3: There was no news about it until about 48 hours later.
[1:34:55] Speaker 4: Because you're dealing with two individuals that stood on something.
[1:34:58] Speaker 4: I don't think the rest of society can do that.
[1:35:01] Speaker 4: Keep a conversation with two friends. I don't think people
[1:35:04] Speaker 4: can do that.
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: Too close.
[1:35:06] Speaker 4: It's two people that talk. They're close friends. Them two people...
[1:35:11] Speaker 4: made a pact within themselves. The rest of these people
[1:35:14] Speaker 4: that we speak about in this business and all that
[1:35:16] Speaker 4: shit that happens, they can't fucking hold water.
[1:35:18] Speaker 6: So Ace Bailey's answers don't sound like he has a guarantee?
[1:35:22] Speaker 1: Oh, cool. Sounds like he has a guarantee. Sounds like
[1:35:24] Speaker 1: he has a guarantee.
[1:35:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool.
[1:35:27] Speaker 6: So I remember watching two private workouts in my class.
[1:35:32] Speaker 1: Before social media. Went to a private workout to watch.
[1:35:34] Speaker 1: My God. Before social media. It was not a private
[1:35:36] Speaker 1: thing because you saw it. Before social media. I was there.
[1:35:37] Speaker 1: I was allowed to come because I was with him.
[1:35:39] Speaker 1: Before social media. He told me to come. But it's
[1:35:41] Speaker 1: not private. Come with me, bro. It is because I'm
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: with him. That's not private. So that means somebody outside knows.
[1:35:46] Speaker 1: I didn't tell nobody. But you could have. I'm with him.
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: This is my homie. But you could have.
[1:35:50] Speaker 6: He's like, yo, I'm about to go work out for
[1:35:52] Speaker 6: the Jazz. I'm about to go work out for the Jazz.
[1:35:54] Speaker 6: I want you to come with me. John Stockton's going
[1:35:56] Speaker 6: to be there.
[1:35:57] Speaker 1: That's not private. It was four of us in the gym.
[1:35:59] Speaker 1: That's not private. Okay. What makes it private? So four yardage,
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: so what, two rebounders? Okay, but what is the topic?
[1:36:08] Speaker 1: The topic is, was it smart for him? To do
[1:36:11] Speaker 1: the private shit. To deny. Yes, because he's getting big regards. Yes,
[1:36:17] Speaker 1: because he already has somebody. That's fine. We thought he
[1:36:19] Speaker 1: wasn't doing anything.
[1:36:19] Speaker 6: We've seen a similar situation happen to Shador Sanders in
[1:36:22] Speaker 6: the draft. Not similar, but there was a bunch of
[1:36:24] Speaker 6: talks back and forth. No, no, there's a difference between
[1:36:26] Speaker 6: because he's guaranteed, right? You've got to think about it.
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: If Cooper Flagg is gone and he's not in his draft,
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: he's the number one pick. Now, if you are the
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: guaranteed number two pick, And you're telling Spurs. Spurs, fuck off.
[1:36:40] Speaker 1: You Wimby. You all about Wimby. Philly, fuck off. You
[1:36:42] Speaker 1: got beat. Darling, I'm not coming. You got mellowed. I'm
[1:36:46] Speaker 1: only going to two teams. I dig it. I dig it.
[1:36:48] Speaker 1: And that team is going to be the Wizards or Brooklyn.
[1:36:51] Speaker 1: I dig it. They going to be all about me.
[1:36:53] Speaker 8: But when we first had the discussion, we thought he
[1:36:56] Speaker 8: was not meeting with nobody or not working out with anybody.
[1:36:59] Speaker 1: You don't need to. If you're the sixth pick or
[1:37:02] Speaker 1: the eighth pick, and the number two guaranteed pick is there,
[1:37:06] Speaker 1: you're it.
[1:37:07] Speaker 6: Okay, but, Gil, I guess, to play devil's advocate, what
[1:37:09] Speaker 6: if the Sixers say, oh, okay, we know you want
[1:37:11] Speaker 6: to go there.
[1:37:11] Speaker 1: We'll just draft you. I'm going to be mad as shit.
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: And then I'm on. I'm in there disgruntled. I'm not playing.
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: Give us the eighth, the 19th, the 22nd.
[1:37:19] Speaker 3: And if you're Philly, I'm not your NBA career fucker.
[1:37:22] Speaker 6: Right, I was about to say, because now your clock
[1:37:23] Speaker 6: is starting, so that's on you.
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: No, no. Yes, it is, because they control it. No, no,
[1:37:28] Speaker 1: just like anything. Just like anything. Hey, Wizards, I got
[1:37:32] Speaker 1: your mans. I got your mans.
[1:37:35] Speaker 3: What you going to give me?
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: I know you want them. That's leverage. That's all it is.
[1:37:41] Speaker 1: If you're another pink, like, you just... That's all it is. Like,
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: if you're him, you're him, you're thinking about where you
[1:37:47] Speaker 1: can play in your market. And the two teams that
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: make sense for him is Wizards right now, right? Come in,
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: plug and play. It's your team. Pool gone. Pool is gone.
[1:37:58] Speaker 1: It's your team. This is you. And then Brooklyn. What
[1:38:02] Speaker 1: are y'all trying to do? Come in and play with
[1:38:04] Speaker 1: some vets. Play with some vets. It's your team. You
[1:38:08] Speaker 1: working out with Giannis? That's what you two niggas is
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: talking about. Y'all trying to cook. Yo, if y'all.
[1:38:13] Speaker 4: That five that they put up, like I saw like
[1:38:15] Speaker 4: the potential starting five for the Wizards, if it stays
[1:38:18] Speaker 4: that way and them dudes are healthy.
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: It's going to be all right. Hey, man, I thought
[1:38:23] Speaker 1: I was like, huh. I ain't saying they're going to
[1:38:27] Speaker 1: make the plan, but I was like.
[1:38:28] Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: You see it, you see it, you see it, though.
[1:38:30] Speaker 6: Ace Bailey deserves the understanding to choose his, like, standing
[1:38:35] Speaker 6: on business. He's standing on business for a reason just
[1:38:38] Speaker 6: like he just said. We all know the inner workings
[1:38:41] Speaker 6: of where I want to fucking go. I want to
[1:38:44] Speaker 6: go here.
[1:38:45] Speaker 1: So let's flip that, right? So let's flip that. Just...
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: for shits and giggles. If there's no guarantee....
[1:38:56] Speaker 3: If there's no guarantee.
[1:38:57] Speaker 4: If there's no guarantee, you just make this decision, right?
[1:38:59] Speaker 4: That they're not going to work out, they're not going to...
[1:39:01] Speaker 4: They're just going to say, fuck, like, whoever picked me...
[1:39:05] Speaker 4: I'm telling these two teams, don't put anything.
[1:39:06] Speaker 1: After that I'm cool with.
[1:39:08] Speaker 4: But what if that shit just backfires totally and that
[1:39:10] Speaker 4: motherfucker slides to, like, 20?
[1:39:11] Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. But you're taking that... I just...
[1:39:17] Speaker 1: To be honest? It sounds like it's guaranteed. No, what
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: I'm saying, to be honest. It doesn't sound like it's guaranteed.
[1:39:21] Speaker 1: Just all those kids, right? Even if you're Dylan Harper,
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: do you really want to get picked.
[1:39:26] Speaker 3: By the Sixers?
[1:39:27] Speaker 1: Do you really want to get picked by the Spurs?
[1:39:32] Speaker 6: Wouldn't it be collusion, though, if those teams did decide
[1:39:36] Speaker 6: not to pick him based on him not working out?
[1:39:39] Speaker 1: Not always happens. So it's collusion, though. Collusion means you've
[1:39:43] Speaker 1: got to talk. 100%. We just saw the NFL get
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: hemmed up for that, though. That's what I'm saying. We
[1:39:48] Speaker 1: know it happens because you've got to get caught doing it.
[1:39:50] Speaker 1: But the conversations are... He didn't work.
[1:39:53] Speaker 6: This is what they're doing to the meter. No, that's
[1:39:56] Speaker 6: part of it. But this is what I'm saying, though.
[1:39:58] Speaker 6: Paul don't have to. You don't have to report this.
[1:40:00] Speaker 6: You don't have to report this. So if you don't
[1:40:02] Speaker 6: report this, we don't know that these things are happening.
[1:40:05] Speaker 6: We don't know that he ain't going to no workout.
[1:40:06] Speaker 6: We don't know that this is a. Bad thing. Yeah.
[1:40:09] Speaker 1: So us reporting it like this may drop his stock.
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: La la la. Now all the other teams are listening.
[1:40:14] Speaker 6: Like, OK, how low is it going to drop his
[1:40:16] Speaker 6: stock in public perception? How are the public going to
[1:40:19] Speaker 6: view him for not running these workouts? Now he's looking
[1:40:23] Speaker 6: at it because people are saying he's getting bad advice
[1:40:25] Speaker 6: when this is something strategic that every top three pick
[1:40:28] Speaker 6: does in every draft trying to solidify their place.
[1:40:31] Speaker 1: But he's looking bad now.
[1:40:33] Speaker 6: Because he's got certain representation that doesn't add up to
[1:40:36] Speaker 6: the agents that want him and get that percentage.
[1:40:38] Speaker 1: They're like, oh, man, don't listen to Shreve Cooper. Oh, man,
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: you know, he's giving them bad advice when he's doing
[1:40:42] Speaker 1: exactly what Bartlstein and any of them will do. Hey,
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: you don't have to work out for none of them.
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: I got a favor. He owes me. Chill. Stay healthy.
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: You ain't got to do shit.
[1:40:52] Speaker 6: Matter of fact, run in there, go get a rebound,
[1:40:55] Speaker 6: go pass it, go dunk it, and go sit your
[1:40:57] Speaker 6: ass down.
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: This ain't football, man. There's no one that stupid. I mean,
[1:41:02] Speaker 1: there's a lot. There's not a bunch of stupid teams
[1:41:04] Speaker 1: that's going to sit there and look at a talent
[1:41:07] Speaker 1: and say, I don't want to pick him because of that.
[1:41:09] Speaker 1: That doesn't happen in the NBA. That's weird. I don't
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: have to let that nigga in the gym.
[1:41:13] Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about.
[1:41:14] Speaker 1: I don't got to do nothing with him, man. I'm
[1:41:15] Speaker 1: going to take the talent that's going to help my team.
[1:41:18] Speaker 1: But just like anything... I've already negotiated. Right. When you
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: talk about this team. Hey, hey, listen, the motherfucker. Listen,
[1:41:27] Speaker 1: if I'm looking at if I'm let's say I'm Wizards
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: and I don't trust the 76ers, I don't trust you. Right.
[1:41:35] Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, all right, look, Spurs, can
[1:41:39] Speaker 1: you take Bailey for me? and I'll take your guy
[1:41:42] Speaker 1: because we think your guy is going to be there
[1:41:44] Speaker 1: a little bit longer. That's the conversation they're having. Example. Yes. Example.
[1:41:50] Speaker 1: Jason Tatum. Who has the number one pick when Jason
[1:41:54] Speaker 1: Tatum was coming in? Boston Celtics had the number one pick.
[1:42:00] Speaker 1: Who did they pick? Jason Tatum, right?
[1:42:02] Speaker 3: But they got the number one pick. They could have picked.
[1:42:04] Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, but they knew Philadelphia had the third pick. Ah, hey,
[1:42:14] Speaker 1: I got a deal for you. You need a point guard, right? Yeah, look,
[1:42:16] Speaker 1: how about this? Listen, you can't take a small forward
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: because you already got Ben Simmons. Lakers can't take a
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: small forward because they got Ingram. I'll trade my pick
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: with you. You give me some money. You give me
[1:42:32] Speaker 1: some bad shit. I'll give you the number one pick.
[1:42:35] Speaker 1: You give me the third pick because I'm going to
[1:42:37] Speaker 1: get Tatum any fucking way because the two people that's
[1:42:40] Speaker 1: in front can't pick them. So if you want the
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: number one pick so you can get a point guard,
[1:42:47] Speaker 1: Forest Lakers will take a point guard and they're going
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: to take Lonzo because on the Lakers board, they had
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: ball two. at point guard, and Phelps won. So they
[1:42:59] Speaker 1: might take my folks. So look, I'll trade this. I'll
[1:43:02] Speaker 1: do the little whoop, and that's what ended up happening.
[1:43:05] Speaker 1: The same person they got that they wanted, they got
[1:43:08] Speaker 1: it at three with some extra shit. They finessed him.
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: And had to pay him less. This scenario... Can't pay
[1:43:13] Speaker 1: him less. Can't pay him less, right?
[1:43:15] Speaker 6: This scenario with Cooper and Ace Bailey is the same
[1:43:18] Speaker 6: with Kobe and AI in 96.
[1:43:22] Speaker 1: Kobe was supposed to go to New Jersey.
[1:43:24] Speaker 6: New Jersey ended up getting Kerry Kittles because they wanted
[1:43:29] Speaker 6: someone established and ready to play right away.
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: They didn't want to take the chance on Kobe. Calipari
[1:43:34] Speaker 1: wanted Kobe.
[1:43:35] Speaker 6: But Jerry West was the only one that knew in
[1:43:37] Speaker 6: the whole draft that Kobe was going to be something.
[1:43:39] Speaker 6: He really liked AI because he was in college and
[1:43:41] Speaker 6: he was good. He thought Kobe was better. So he
[1:43:43] Speaker 6: needed to finagle how to get that pick. From six
[1:43:47] Speaker 6: all the way to the Lakers. I can't remember where
[1:43:49] Speaker 6: they was at.
[1:43:50] Speaker 1: They wasn't 13, but they had access to the 13.
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: So they needed....
[1:43:55] Speaker 6: Cove to drop out of that six pick, which is
[1:43:58] Speaker 6: the finagle that you just said they did with Charlotte.
[1:44:02] Speaker 6: Because ownership didn't want Cove. They like, man, we don't
[1:44:05] Speaker 6: trust no high schooler. But Jerry West had an end
[1:44:09] Speaker 6: with the Hornets.
[1:44:12] Speaker 1: So Cove slides to 13. We got him.
[1:44:16] Speaker 6: We got what we want because he believes. See, somebody
[1:44:18] Speaker 6: sees something in Ace Bailey, they like, look, Cooper gone.
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: That's AI.
[1:44:23] Speaker 6: He's going to be number one pick. But we feel
[1:44:25] Speaker 6: like this dude is better than him. We feel like
[1:44:28] Speaker 6: he's better than him. We can take him if we
[1:44:30] Speaker 6: can get him, like he said, if we can fall
[1:44:31] Speaker 6: in the four, we can trade.
[1:44:33] Speaker 3: You owe me this.
[1:44:34] Speaker 1: I need this. It can happen for sure.
[1:44:39] Speaker 2: We asked the chat, will Ace Bay's decision make him
[1:44:41] Speaker 2: slide in the draft? 66% of the chat says yes,
[1:44:43] Speaker 2: but maybe that's what he wanted to begin with.
[1:44:46] Speaker 1: That's what he wants.
[1:44:47] Speaker 2: He's trying to force his life. We'll see if he
[1:44:48] Speaker 2: can draft it. We'll see if somebody... He.
[1:44:49] Speaker 1: Goes to the Wizards or Brooklyn? He's in the big
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: market with his name. Number one option. If he wants
[1:44:56] Speaker 1: to get some of his own narrative, go ahead, man.
[1:44:57] Speaker 3: I'm with it.
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: Not if he go to the Wizards.
[1:44:59] Speaker 4: Now with that team staying, he's going to be the
[1:45:01] Speaker 4: number one option because.
[1:45:03] Speaker 1: CJ McCullough like shit. He's going to tell you to
[1:45:06] Speaker 1: move around. Watch out a little bit. Watch out, old man.
[1:45:08] Speaker 1: That's what he's going to say, but CJ ain't going
[1:45:11] Speaker 1: to be coming out there today. Hey, boss. Hey, boss.
[1:45:16] Speaker 1: He ain't got that big swing. He ain't got that
[1:45:19] Speaker 1: big swing. And then hard bottoms running around and shit.
[1:45:39] Speaker 4: No, he's going to be all right, man. Like I said,
[1:45:41] Speaker 4: if it's a plan, man, as long as they got
[1:45:43] Speaker 4: a plan in place for him and they're doing right
[1:45:46] Speaker 4: by him and his future and his basketball future, I'm
[1:45:49] Speaker 4: all for it. But if nothing, if it's not that,
[1:45:52] Speaker 4: then it's a bad decision to be made.
[1:45:54] Speaker 2: Well, everybody has a plan until they get punched in
[1:45:55] Speaker 2: the mouth, so we'll see.
[1:45:57] Speaker 4: Hopefully, like I said, hopefully they work the phones, they
[1:46:01] Speaker 4: work these teams. So this is my only thing, like
[1:46:04] Speaker 4: how many other clients– an NBA does the guy have?
[1:46:09] Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me see. How many other players
[1:46:11] Speaker 1: have done this? No, no, no, no.
[1:46:13] Speaker 4: I'm saying Ace Bailey's agent. I want to know how
[1:46:17] Speaker 4: many current NBA players he has.
[1:46:18] Speaker 1: I don't think none. It's probably just him. Just him
[1:46:21] Speaker 1: and his.
[1:46:21] Speaker 4: Because it's all about... The point I'm making is it's
[1:46:25] Speaker 4: all about relationships.
[1:46:27] Speaker 6: Right?
[1:46:28] Speaker 4: It's building these relationships, having these long-lasting relationships that you
[1:46:31] Speaker 4: can have that conversation like, don't pick him, don't pick him.
[1:46:36] Speaker 4: for this reason, these reasons, so that's my thing. If
[1:46:38] Speaker 4: you don't have any relationships, then some of them guys
[1:46:40] Speaker 4: be like, Fuck you. I think it's kind of like
[1:46:43] Speaker 4: what Rich Paul been doing.
[1:46:44] Speaker 6: Yeah, but not plus it's kind of like what Rich
[1:46:46] Speaker 6: Paul been doing. You force them to you force them
[1:46:48] Speaker 6: to have a relationship with you.
[1:46:50] Speaker 9: But he has a relationship though. But Rich Paul is
[1:46:51] Speaker 9: Rich Paul. I know what I'm just saying. He got
[1:46:54] Speaker 9: that one dude. He got that one dude. But it's
[1:46:56] Speaker 9: the formula. You got that one guy though. Yeah, getting
[1:46:58] Speaker 9: in the door. Getting in the door off the back
[1:47:00] Speaker 9: of the athlete.
[1:47:02] Speaker 6: I got to maximize all these access points.
[1:47:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, I dig it.
[1:47:05] Speaker 4: But you got, honestly, you got to start at some
[1:47:07] Speaker 4: point to build these relationships. But I hope he has
[1:47:11] Speaker 4: those in place for those teams' word to mean something
[1:47:15] Speaker 4: and vice versa, right? Because you know how that shit go.
[1:47:18] Speaker 4: If you don't have that, the agent tell them something,
[1:47:21] Speaker 4: they do something else and the other way around.
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: I just... Those things mean something. What's so funny is
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: if you ever look at the second round, see, this
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: has been going on, but... Because Bronny James got drafted
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: in the second round, it kind of opened up like, oh,
[1:47:34] Speaker 1: how he get guaranteed? If you've been looking at the
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: second round, these contracts for the last couple of years,
[1:47:40] Speaker 1: if you look at it, it don't make sense. How
[1:47:43] Speaker 1: can the first pick make $ 7 million? The first pick
[1:47:47] Speaker 1: in the second round makes $ 7 million. The third pick
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: in the second round makes $ 12 million. That don't even
[1:47:52] Speaker 1: make sense. But it does because what's happening is they've
[1:47:56] Speaker 1: already agreed to terms with So the third pick might
[1:48:00] Speaker 1: have been the first pick, but he said, hey, don't
[1:48:03] Speaker 1: fuck with me. I'm already got a deal over here. Right.
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: So the second round is basically negotiating their own deals now.
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: So they can say, hey, don't fuck with me. Don't
[1:48:11] Speaker 1: fuck with me. And if you look at these contracts,
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: you'll be like, this is the backwardest shit ever. If
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: you go and look at the second round, you will
[1:48:19] Speaker 1: see motherfuckers making the 40th pick makes more than the
[1:48:22] Speaker 1: 30th pick because they've already negotiated these terms. And they're
[1:48:26] Speaker 1: just waiting there. So they ain't try out for nobody
[1:48:28] Speaker 1: but this team. I dig it.
[1:48:31] Speaker 2: We've seen that work. So let's get this thing moving.
[1:48:34] Speaker 2: This morning on First Take, Stephen A.
[1:48:36] Speaker 1: Smith.
[1:48:37] Speaker 2: gave his list of the top five players going into
[1:48:40] Speaker 2: next season.
[1:48:41] Speaker 3: Let's take a look at the list. So this is
[1:48:44] Speaker 3: according to Stephen A.
[1:48:44] Speaker 2: He's got Joker at number one, SGA at two, Giannis
[1:48:47] Speaker 2: at three, LeBron at four, Steph at five. So after
[1:48:53] Speaker 2: taking a look at this list, do you agree with
[1:48:55] Speaker 2: Stephen A's list of the top five players in the
[1:48:57] Speaker 2: league going into next season?
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: I'm going to go Shea one, Jokic two, Giannis three.
[1:49:06] Speaker 1: Luka for... I'm a go... I'm a go... Give me... Donna...
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: I know my four. I got my four. I'm going
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: to go... What is this? Oh, going into next season.
[1:49:36] Speaker 1: So that's the end of this. So top five, going
[1:49:38] Speaker 1: into next season. I'm going into... LeBron and Ben Mitchell. Yes.
[1:49:44] Speaker 3: LeBron and Ben Mitchell.
[1:49:47] Speaker 1: I'm going to go with my Laker, man. I'm going
[1:49:49] Speaker 1: to go five with LeBron. Okay.
[1:49:52] Speaker 8: For me, going into next year, for me, I'm going
[1:49:55] Speaker 8: SGA 1, Giannis 2, Jokic 3, Luka 4, Number five.
[1:50:08] Speaker 2: And it don't have to be the five players on
[1:50:09] Speaker 2: this list. You're free to pick whatever.
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: Players you think.
[1:50:11] Speaker 8: I'm going to go with, just because there are chances
[1:50:13] Speaker 8: next year, I'm going to go with Donovan Mitchell five.
[1:50:16] Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell five. So, Canyon, let's shift over to you.
[1:50:18] Speaker 2: This is Stephen A.
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: 's list.
[1:50:19] Speaker 2: I want Canyon's list of the top five players going
[1:50:22] Speaker 2: into next season.
[1:50:26] Speaker 1: I'm going to go Nicola Shea-Yannis. Nicola Shea-Yannis. Actually, I'm
[1:50:34] Speaker 1: going to go Nikola Yanis Shea.
[1:50:36] Speaker 4: Ooh, so Shea drops in the third spot. You got
[1:50:42] Speaker 4: to give Biggs some love, man. Four, I am going
[1:50:47] Speaker 4: to go a healthy Luka Doncic.
[1:50:57] Speaker 2: From your soon-to-be new favorite team? I'm going Kevin Durant
[1:51:00] Speaker 2: at five, man. Putting KD at five.
[1:51:02] Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good one. You still
[1:51:03] Speaker 1: have your 27 points. That's a good one. That's a
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: good one. I like that one. I'm not going to
[1:51:08] Speaker 1: disrespect easy money that way. He's still top. In my opinion,
[1:51:12] Speaker 1: he's still top five in the NBA, man. Who didn't
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: have five?
[1:51:16] Speaker 3: Who did you have five? I put Bron. I put Bron.
[1:51:17] Speaker 3: You put Bron.
[1:51:18] Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
[1:51:19] Speaker 2: Last but not least, money-making Sonny. How five players going
[1:51:24] Speaker 2: into next season? This is Stephen A. 's list, but
[1:51:26] Speaker 2: I want your list. Yeah, I mean, when we.
[1:51:27] Speaker 1: Ask questions, we should just not say his name. Okay.
[1:51:30] Speaker 2: This is ESPN personalities list on a show that runs
[1:51:33] Speaker 2: on ESPN.
[1:51:34] Speaker 1: Just answer the question. Like, yeah, fuck his list. Anyway.
[1:51:38] Speaker 3: Fuck his list. I'm going to go with Cade. Cade Cunningham.
[1:51:43] Speaker 3: The number one spot. No, not number one.
[1:51:46] Speaker 1: Five. We're going five, four, three, two, one.
[1:51:48] Speaker 3: Okay, so Cade last.
[1:51:49] Speaker 1: Cade. Joker. Joker. Okay.
[1:51:57] Speaker 3: Junker four.
[1:52:03] Speaker 1: Giannis.
[1:52:06] Speaker 3: Giannis in the third spot.
[1:52:19] Speaker 1: Shea.
[1:52:20] Speaker 3: Shea in the second spot.
[1:52:21] Speaker 1: Wimby.
[1:52:22] Speaker 2: Wimby in the top spot. Victor Wimbinyama. Not appearing on
[1:52:26] Speaker 2: anyone else's list along with Kay Cunningham.
[1:52:29] Speaker 3: Wimby in the top.
[1:52:30] Speaker 2: And why do you have Wimby in the top five,
[1:52:33] Speaker 2: your number one player going into next season?
[1:52:35] Speaker 6: She's going to be the best player we've seen in
[1:52:37] Speaker 6: a long time. For a very long time. And he
[1:52:40] Speaker 6: would have been if he wouldn't have got hurt. So
[1:52:42] Speaker 6: we wouldn't be having a lot of these conversations. So
[1:52:45] Speaker 6: he's an alien. And I think Kay is going to
[1:52:47] Speaker 6: come into his own. I think his momentum shows that
[1:52:51] Speaker 6: nobody out there really fucking with him.
[1:52:54] Speaker 1: Kay, they real one.
[1:52:55] Speaker 2: Wimby's been training with Shiloh Monks. I think he's put
[1:52:57] Speaker 2: on about 30 pounds since coming.
[1:52:59] Speaker 3: Into the league.
[1:52:59] Speaker 1: Jalen Brown was my tough six. It was hard for
[1:53:03] Speaker 1: me to leave him out.
[1:53:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:53:04] Speaker 2: Okay, so I'll just repeat the list for everybody. I
[1:53:10] Speaker 2: asked top five players in the league going into next season. Gil,
[1:53:14] Speaker 2: you had SGA at one, Jokic at two, Giannis at three,
[1:53:17] Speaker 2: Luka at four, LeBron at five. Mr. B, you had
[1:53:20] Speaker 2: SGA at one, Giannis at two, Jokic at three, Luka
[1:53:23] Speaker 2: at four, Donovan Mitchell at five. Ken, you had Jokic
[1:53:26] Speaker 2: at one, Giannis at two, Eshii at three, Luka at four,
[1:53:32] Speaker 2: KD at five, and last but not least, Moneymaker Sonny,
[1:53:35] Speaker 2: you had Wimby at number one, Eshii at two, Giannis
[1:53:38] Speaker 2: at three, Joker at four, and Kade in that fifth spot,
[1:53:41] Speaker 2: with Jalen Brown a very.
[1:53:44] Speaker 3: Close honorable mention.
[1:53:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, and LeBron is still like, because of what he's
[1:53:48] Speaker 4: doing at his age, you still got to consider it,
[1:53:50] Speaker 4: because you have to throw his age in there with this.
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: Close six. For me, close six on the list.
[1:53:57] Speaker 3: All right, well, take a look at this list. No
[1:54:01] Speaker 3: love for Ant-Man. No love for Bronny.
[1:54:06] Speaker 1: Seven. Who? Ant-Man. You got him seven on your list?
[1:54:09] Speaker 3: All right, well, let's just... I thought rings matter.
[1:54:15] Speaker 1: And what, your favorite top players? No, no, no, no, no. No,
[1:54:19] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if we're talking... No, he shouldn't. He
[1:54:22] Speaker 1: just said top players, bro. It's my list, nigga, not yours. Yeah,
[1:54:25] Speaker 1: stop moving the goalposts with that dumbass shit. Like. Because
[1:54:28] Speaker 1: don't nobody pick no Cav players.
[1:54:30] Speaker 6: Yeah, like, he did. You are somebody. You are somebody.
[1:54:34] Speaker 6: I mean, I'm talking about going to the East next year.
[1:54:39] Speaker 6: Everybody's down. We're talking about next year, next season. Got
[1:54:43] Speaker 6: a chance.
[1:54:44] Speaker 3: Rings matter?
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: In the East.
[1:54:45] Speaker 3: Or Jalen Brunson.
[1:54:46] Speaker 1: I mean.
[1:54:47] Speaker 3: I was going back and forth for one of those two.
[1:54:49] Speaker 1: No, it's your list. No, no, no, no, no. He
[1:54:51] Speaker 1: said he didn't know who to pick. I said he did.
[1:54:53] Speaker 1: It's your list. Like, no, that's for you. Ask him
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: what your favorite team was. Yeah.
[1:54:57] Speaker 2: So, girl, I see you put SGA in the top spot.
[1:54:59] Speaker 2: Why did you pick SGA number one? Because he won
[1:55:19] Speaker 2: the MVP.
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: He won the scoring title, Western Conference MVP, finals MVP.
[1:55:29] Speaker 1: You know, this is a problem that I have.
[1:55:39] Speaker 3: With all of it.
[1:55:42] Speaker 1: With what? The concept of what actually matters. So me,
[1:55:51] Speaker 1: I went on TV to talk to Stephen A. Smith
[1:55:54] Speaker 1: about something he said prior and I asked him when
[1:56:03] Speaker 1: he said rings matter and I challenged that notion because
[1:56:08] Speaker 1: of past articles that I've seen written by him and
[1:56:11] Speaker 1: other media that they don't matter because if they did matter,
[1:56:15] Speaker 1: then This wouldn't have happened, right? You wouldn't have said
[1:56:21] Speaker 1: T-Mac in 2002 to 2004 would have been on the
[1:56:26] Speaker 1: same level as Kobe or better when you guys was
[1:56:28] Speaker 1: picking them if rings mattered, if one had three and
[1:56:31] Speaker 1: one had none, right? So when you say rings matter,
[1:56:35] Speaker 1: and then you have a list right here, and then
[1:56:40] Speaker 1: you have.
[1:56:40] Speaker 3: Jokic as number one.
[1:56:43] Speaker 1: That it has. So you're telling us rings matter, but
[1:56:46] Speaker 1: after the motherfucker won a ring and swept the NBA,
[1:56:49] Speaker 1: you have them too. So you're telling me rings don't
[1:56:53] Speaker 1: matter while screaming rings matter. So imagine being Shea, and
[1:56:58] Speaker 1: you wake up in the morning, just like Kobe did,
[1:57:01] Speaker 1: with a ring and all these awards, and you go
[1:57:04] Speaker 1: on here and you see... That you have another motherfucker
[1:57:07] Speaker 1: in front of you. So if you're Kobe Bryant in 2002,
[1:57:10] Speaker 1: three and four, and you sit here being compared to
[1:57:12] Speaker 1: a man who don't have rings and you sit there
[1:57:14] Speaker 1: with three of them, wouldn't you be a little like,
[1:57:17] Speaker 1: what the fuck does this all mean? So if you're
[1:57:20] Speaker 1: saying you wake up this morning and you got fucking
[1:57:22] Speaker 1: four trophies sitting here with the king dicking balls and
[1:57:26] Speaker 1: you sit in there and saying, how is he? Number one,
[1:57:29] Speaker 1: I beat him. I beat him to get this both times.
[1:57:34] Speaker 1: I beat him for the MVP and I beat him
[1:57:36] Speaker 1: to go to the championship to win these awards and
[1:57:40] Speaker 1: you got another nigga in front of me. So you're
[1:57:43] Speaker 1: telling me none of this shit means nothing. In real time.
[1:57:47] Speaker 1: It means something. This is in real time. We just
[1:57:50] Speaker 1: finished one 48 hours ago. 48 hours. You got a
[1:57:54] Speaker 1: list with me number two, but saying I'm the most
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: recent champ. I'm the most recent champ. Same thing last year.
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: Last year, right? The list again. Tatum five. Jalen Brunson.
[1:58:02] Speaker 1: Jalen Brown 14 We champions, final MVP. One of us
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: got to be one or two.
[1:58:18] Speaker 6: If you care about this, you're going to keep getting
[1:58:21] Speaker 6: your ass kicked in the balls. Your ego going to
[1:58:23] Speaker 6: keep taking a thrashing because, motherfucker, your expectations are trying
[1:58:26] Speaker 6: to meet criterias of what public want you to be.
[1:58:29] Speaker 6: And that's what's going to happen. You're going to keep
[1:58:31] Speaker 6: fighting this narrative that somebody else.
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: Who can't do what you do create so that you
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: can chase and run up the ladder to try to
[1:58:37] Speaker 1: sit back and say, why is this motherfucker ranked header
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: to me? Man, nobody give a fuck about that shit.
[1:58:42] Speaker 6: Man, that's why I say, wow, you put his name
[1:58:44] Speaker 6: on there like we supposed to honor that shit when
[1:58:46] Speaker 6: that's what Shea can do based on his list. Why
[1:58:49] Speaker 6: he got me number two when I just did all
[1:58:52] Speaker 6: this is because it really don't fucking matter.
[1:58:54] Speaker 1: You the man. You won. You number one.
[1:58:56] Speaker 6: And everybody under that list will acknowledge that. But everybody's
[1:58:59] Speaker 6: going to pick who they want because they got your
[1:59:01] Speaker 6: favorite players.
[1:59:01] Speaker 1: I got my favorite player. I picked my favorite player. Cool.
[1:59:04] Speaker 6: But if we start going and finding these lists like
[1:59:05] Speaker 6: they matter beyond the matter of the.
[1:59:08] Speaker 1: Thing right now. Both of y'all are right, though. Hold on.
[1:59:12] Speaker 4: To your point, right? You're 100% correct. You're 100% correct.
[1:59:16] Speaker 4: Stephen A. Smith set his ass right on this couch.
[1:59:20] Speaker 4: and told us he voted for Shea Gildas Alexander for MVP.
[1:59:24] Speaker 6: Yes, he definitely did. Before the season was over.
[1:59:29] Speaker 4: Set his ass right here and told us he voted
[1:59:33] Speaker 4: for this man for MVP, meaning he thinks he's.
[1:59:36] Speaker 1: The best player. Hands down, unequivocally. Hands down, unequivocally the
[1:59:40] Speaker 1: best player in the NBA. And you come right to
[1:59:43] Speaker 1: your point, right now, motherfucker, and have this man number two?
[1:59:50] Speaker 1: Why would I trust your list? I'm trusting anything you're saying.
[1:59:53] Speaker 1: Why would I trust anything you're saying? Absolutely.
[1:59:55] Speaker 4: So both of y'all are absolutely right. It's full circle
[1:59:57] Speaker 4: with these niggas, man. Yeah, both of y'all are absolutely 100%
[1:59:59] Speaker 4: correct with this shit. Like, you said.
[2:00:01] Speaker 1: So why would you have Shay One? Because I like
[2:00:04] Speaker 1: who I like. That's why. So you base your opinions
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: off of no facts, then? Just how you feel? Bro,
[2:00:11] Speaker 1: it says, who do you like going into the season?
[2:00:14] Speaker 1: Who do you like? It said, who do you like? No,
[2:00:17] Speaker 1: it says top five. Who am I going to pick?
[2:00:19] Speaker 1: My favorite player. No, it's top five. My favorite player. No,
[2:00:23] Speaker 1: that's not what it said. What does it say? Put
[2:00:25] Speaker 1: it up here. Tell me what it says. It said
[2:00:26] Speaker 1: top five players going into the next season. Top five
[2:00:28] Speaker 1: players going into the next season. No, it's not going
[2:00:29] Speaker 1: to be. Top five players going into next season. Now,
[2:00:33] Speaker 1: who gets to pick that? So, take the name. Hold on.
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: Are we asking me? Are you asking me? We're the media.
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: We're the media. So, top five. Are you asking me?
[2:00:44] Speaker 1: We are the media. So, Rashad McCann's top five players
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: going into next season. So, do I get to pick?
[2:00:48] Speaker 1: Your top five players going into next season. So, who
[2:00:51] Speaker 1: did I pick? Yes, your five. Okay, I picked my five.
[2:00:56] Speaker 1: I picked my five because that's who I feel like
[2:00:58] Speaker 1: is going to be playing well next season. This is
[2:01:01] Speaker 1: going in two. That's what I just said. I just
[2:01:03] Speaker 1: said that. And we are the media.
[2:01:06] Speaker 6: So I picked that list based on the trajectory of
[2:01:09] Speaker 6: everyone I think is going to be playing well next year.
[2:01:11] Speaker 1: Not based on who won MVP. You know this is
[2:01:15] Speaker 1: a contradiction to your whole Kobe thing. He's trying. He's trying.
[2:01:19] Speaker 1: I'm not trying. He won't let it go. When I
[2:01:22] Speaker 1: made this statement of saying in 2002 my actual statement
[2:01:27] Speaker 1: off of the facts that were going on In 2002,
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: challenging the idea of ring culture and said if ring
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: culture is a real thing and it really means something,
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: how could you have somebody with three rings? Being in
[2:01:47] Speaker 1: the same conference of asking who's better with someone who
[2:01:50] Speaker 1: doesn't have rings. and there was voting and all of
[2:01:55] Speaker 1: this going on, and you're saying he is the next
[2:01:58] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. He got rings and this and that. You
[2:02:02] Speaker 1: was using the ring. Who? You.
[2:02:04] Speaker 2: No.
[2:02:04] Speaker 1: No, you can't do that. No, you're just making up shit.
[2:02:07] Speaker 1: You're talking about three rings and all, and I'm saying, well,
[2:02:10] Speaker 1: they didn't use that then. See, I don't think you
[2:02:12] Speaker 1: knew we was on the fucking same time. I don't
[2:02:14] Speaker 1: think you knew that I was challenging the ring culture
[2:02:17] Speaker 1: because that's what fucked Kobe.
[2:02:19] Speaker 6: Kobe did nothing to fuck Kobe. What are you talking about?
[2:02:23] Speaker 6: What fucked Kobe? Kobe Bryant won five championships.
[2:02:27] Speaker 1: And where is he ranked? Wherever anybody ranks him, bro.
[2:02:30] Speaker 1: We don't go off no media shit. We don't care.
[2:02:33] Speaker 1: You keep bringing it back up like it means something.
[2:02:36] Speaker 1: It doesn't. His family, his friends, his teammates. All that
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: shit matters. You're using your emotional how you feel. I'm
[2:02:44] Speaker 1: using facts.
[2:02:47] Speaker 6: Kobe's never gonna die a nigga just call it never
[2:02:50] Speaker 6: gonna die bro a person just won a championship and
[2:02:54] Speaker 6: you Disregarded everything he did. He's not putting me up here.
[2:02:58] Speaker 1: So how is your it's my they supposed to get
[2:03:01] Speaker 1: shit on my watch Nigga, nah, you didn't get it.
[2:03:07] Speaker 1: Get to the back of the line now. What's your expectation, nigga?
[2:03:10] Speaker 1: So what list matters, though? If you just put some... Exactly.
[2:03:14] Speaker 6: If we're media, what list matters?
[2:03:18] Speaker 1: My list only matters to me. No, no, you're spewing
[2:03:21] Speaker 1: this to the world. You're fighting for somebody who just...
[2:03:25] Speaker 1: The same thing just happened to Shay, what you just did.
[2:03:28] Speaker 1: What they did to Kobe in real time just happened
[2:03:33] Speaker 1: to Shay from the media. I'm not complaining. The media.
[2:03:38] Speaker 1: All we got the media. We just came here and
[2:03:41] Speaker 1: just put a nigga number two after winning all these awards.
[2:03:45] Speaker 1: The media did that. But you didn't scream championships matter.
[2:03:50] Speaker 1: And then you get mad at me because I pointed out.
[2:03:52] Speaker 1: Championships matter. If you came in here and said Shay
[2:03:56] Speaker 1: was one, But you didn't. A man just won 48
[2:04:01] Speaker 1: hours ago, and you came up here as the media
[2:04:04] Speaker 1: and disregarded everything they did. Was he in the top five?
[2:04:07] Speaker 1: You made no difference. Was he in the top five?
[2:04:09] Speaker 1: You did nothing different. Was he in the top five? Yes. Huh?
[2:04:13] Speaker 1: Was he in there? He's in there, right? So you
[2:04:15] Speaker 1: want more? I if you sound like a brown enough. Hey, listen,
[2:04:21] Speaker 1: you're number three. No, no, no, no, no. I'm number one.
[2:04:24] Speaker 1: You got to put me there. No, no. It brings back.
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: But you say you're going to be where I put you.
[2:04:31] Speaker 1: And I'm not changing your number now because Gilbert keeps
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: trying to make me change your number. No, no, no, no, no, no.
[2:04:37] Speaker 1: I'm going off of your logic in 2002. And they
[2:04:42] Speaker 1: had Tracy McGrady number one. Kobe's in the top five.
[2:04:46] Speaker 1: But you have a problem with that. I don't have
[2:04:48] Speaker 1: a problem with shit. Yeah, you do. No, I don't. No,
[2:04:50] Speaker 1: you said you wanted to smoke. Get the smoke. The
[2:04:52] Speaker 1: world has a problem with what you're saying. The world
[2:04:55] Speaker 1: has a problem with what you're saying. Not me. Me, B, Josiah,
[2:05:00] Speaker 1: everybody that's on this text message, is glad they're doing
[2:05:02] Speaker 1: this shit. They can get this shit out. I don't care.
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: So I don't wake up the motherfucking sweet on a
[2:05:15] Speaker 1: Saturday morning. Rocket launcher, nigga. You said you was ready
[2:05:19] Speaker 1: for it. They tell the truth. They tell the truth.
[2:05:21] Speaker 1: Rocket launcher. Who gets up? Ready for it. Who gets up? Boom.
[2:05:25] Speaker 1: Who gets up at 5 a.m.? Rocket launcher. You don't
[2:05:27] Speaker 1: know nothing. You said. You don't know nothing. You don't
[2:05:30] Speaker 1: know nothing. No, no, no. Hold on. You don't know nothing.
[2:05:32] Speaker 1: Hold on. Hold on. He wanted to smoke. He wanted
[2:05:34] Speaker 1: to smoke. I know you said you wanted to argue
[2:05:39] Speaker 1: about it. What did he say? You had him. He did, bro.
[2:05:45] Speaker 1: He had a whole bag yesterday.
[2:05:50] Speaker 6: He thinks he's the real Kobe fan. I went on TV.
[2:05:53] Speaker 6: So why did he leave and dunk yesterday?
[2:05:55] Speaker 1: I went on TV. Why did he dunk yesterday? We
[2:05:59] Speaker 1: was here. We was here yesterday. I was ready with
[2:06:03] Speaker 1: my bag yesterday. I went on TV. I had my
[2:06:07] Speaker 1: bag yesterday. You know what he did? What? He said,
[2:06:10] Speaker 1: you got it, boss, man. You got it. You know
[2:06:13] Speaker 1: what he said in the group chat? It's Keyshawn. It's Keyshawn.
[2:06:16] Speaker 1: You got it, man. You're doing him. He's got the
[2:06:18] Speaker 1: problems with Kobe, not me, boss, man. No, no, no. See,
[2:06:20] Speaker 1: that's what you did. Oh, but now he got the energy.
[2:06:23] Speaker 1: I just know it was 500 minutes. Y'all need to
[2:06:25] Speaker 1: stop doing that. No, no, no.
[2:06:26] Speaker 3: Don't talk over me.
[2:06:29] Speaker 1: You reading it? You reading it? Because I want your facts. Josiah,
[2:06:33] Speaker 1: can we go to the next topic? No, please don't.
[2:06:36] Speaker 1: I don't want to anticipate this. Y'all need to finish this.
[2:06:39] Speaker 1: This is toxic. Once and for all, this is toxic.
[2:06:42] Speaker 1: When I went up to Stephen A. Smith... And I
[2:06:46] Speaker 1: just said, hold on, dog.
[2:06:47] Speaker 3: When I went up to Stephen A.
[2:06:48] Speaker 1: Smith. We're not doing it. And I said, I'm challenging
[2:06:51] Speaker 1: the media who was writing their articles in 2002. And
[2:06:55] Speaker 1: I said, homeboy. He asked me a question. I said, homeboy.
[2:06:59] Speaker 6: I don't want to hear what he's saying.
[2:07:02] Speaker 1: And I said, hey. How can rings matter? How can
[2:07:05] Speaker 1: you say rings matter? In 2002, there was a guy
[2:07:09] Speaker 1: coming off of three rings. How can you say rings
[2:07:12] Speaker 1: matter if you put right there Tracy McGrady in front
[2:07:16] Speaker 1: of him and y'all are doing this? How can you
[2:07:18] Speaker 1: say rings matter if this was actually a thing? Mm-hmm.
[2:07:23] Speaker 1: The fact that for the first time Stephen A. Smith
[2:07:25] Speaker 1: couldn't say nothing. He couldn't say nothing because it was true.
[2:07:28] Speaker 1: They did do that then. So I'm calling out the
[2:07:31] Speaker 1: media to say you're bullshitting these players by doing it.
[2:07:35] Speaker 1: He wants to jump out the window like I'm disrespecting
[2:07:37] Speaker 1: Kobe on a fact. This is a fact. Articles after
[2:07:41] Speaker 1: articles of these media doing this. And they just did
[2:07:44] Speaker 1: it again.
[2:07:46] Speaker 6: Who said he was disrespecting Kobe? Did Nick say it
[2:07:48] Speaker 6: or did I say it? Did his friend say it
[2:07:51] Speaker 6: or did I say it? I want you to jump
[2:07:53] Speaker 6: out the window. Did his friend do it? His friend
[2:07:55] Speaker 6: tweeted it. His friend tweeted it.
[2:07:57] Speaker 1: I don't know what. Kobe said. I don't know what
[2:08:00] Speaker 1: Kobe did to these niggas. I wasn't even on the episode.
[2:08:02] Speaker 1: I wasn't even on the episode. But y'all been going
[2:08:05] Speaker 1: after this shit on this phone. He don't want to smoke.
[2:08:07] Speaker 1: He never did. He's a Kobe fan. You you want
[2:08:23] Speaker 1: the people to think you will call me fan and
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: I'm disrespected Look at this energy. Look at this energy.
[2:08:28] Speaker 1: I know you're tired of hearing me complain about it.
[2:08:30] Speaker 1: Look at this energy. It's my fucking wife. I know
[2:08:32] Speaker 1: she is sick and tired of me here complaining about
[2:08:35] Speaker 1: you two motherfuckers in this goddamn text message. Come on, eat, eat, Mr.
[2:08:38] Speaker 1: Kobe fan. All right. I woke up the other morning,
[2:08:41] Speaker 1: Saturday morning, it's fucking 6.30. I'm like, these motherfuckers can't stop. Kobe, this, Kobe. This, that, that, that, that.
[2:08:49] Speaker 1: Come on, he's trying to out Kobe me shit. How
[2:08:52] Speaker 1: you gonna out Kobe a nigga with a nigga tattoo
[2:08:55] Speaker 1: right here since 0-9?
[2:08:57] Speaker 6: Rest in peace, Cole. Rest in peace. We're going to
[2:08:59] Speaker 6: let you leave peacefully, baby. We're not going to keep
[2:09:02] Speaker 6: bringing you up to.
[2:09:03] Speaker 1: Validate other people's careers. Rest in peace, my nigga. Rest
[2:09:07] Speaker 1: in peace, bro. This is why This is what I'm
[2:09:14] Speaker 1: talking about. This is what I'm talking about. Rest in peace, Kobe.
[2:09:17] Speaker 1: He just likes to talk. He has no facts. He
[2:09:19] Speaker 1: has nothing to stand on. He just runs with the
[2:09:22] Speaker 1: motherfucking lips. If Kobe was here, I'd let Kobe go
[2:09:24] Speaker 1: with him. Huh? If Kobe was here, we'd let Kobe
[2:09:27] Speaker 1: go with him. He would stand with me. No, he wouldn't.
[2:09:28] Speaker 1: Because he got fucked over with three rings. You think
[2:09:31] Speaker 1: Kobe's going to have a conversation about his career with
[2:09:34] Speaker 1: another nigga? Yes. No, he's not. Yes. No, he's not. Yes,
[2:09:37] Speaker 1: he was. Yes. Discredited him? Ain't nobody discrediting him. You
[2:09:39] Speaker 1: think Kobe Bryant gonna sit here and let somebody discredit him?
[2:09:41] Speaker 1: What is the discredit? What is the discredit? I don't
[2:09:44] Speaker 1: play with Shaq because I play with Shaq. You think
[2:09:46] Speaker 1: you niggas can sub and replace me? You can't. It's forever.
[2:09:49] Speaker 1: Who did that? Nobody. Nobody did that. You can't replace
[2:09:53] Speaker 1: me with anybody else. Who replaced him?
[2:09:55] Speaker 6: Reality is I won three championships with Shaq.
[2:09:58] Speaker 1: Ring culture does matter. Okay. We win. That's it. You're right.
[2:10:03] Speaker 1: You're doing it again. Ring culture. Drop it. But you
[2:10:06] Speaker 1: put a nigga who just won. Drop it. I mean,
[2:10:08] Speaker 1: you didn't put him on. Drop it. While I was winning. No,
[2:10:10] Speaker 1: don't drop it, man. Y'all was mad that I was winning. English.
[2:10:13] Speaker 1: I almost won four straight championships. Four. Yes. Y'all mad! Relax! Relax!
[2:10:22] Speaker 1: You keep saying y'all. You keep saying y'all. Kobe not
[2:10:26] Speaker 1: here to talk. Can I ask you then? Can I
[2:10:28] Speaker 1: ask you then, sir? No, don't ask me nothing, man.
[2:10:31] Speaker 1: Ask him. When he had five rings, that nigga talk
[2:10:34] Speaker 1: like a human being. Ask him, man. Why is he
[2:10:37] Speaker 1: ranked 10? I don't know. I didn't rank him 10.
[2:10:39] Speaker 1: I'm not. Why did he get ranked 10? I don't know.
[2:10:41] Speaker 1: Ask the rankers. You asked them.
[2:10:44] Speaker 8: I did.
[2:10:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, good. You have the answer. Tell them. I did.
[2:10:47] Speaker 1: And when I say it, when I say why, you
[2:10:50] Speaker 1: try to pretend like I'm doing it. Because I don't care. Huh?
[2:10:53] Speaker 1: Because I have them. I have them. I don't want
[2:10:56] Speaker 1: to hear no nigga telling me where somebody else have them.
[2:10:59] Speaker 1: I don't care where you have them, dog. Why would
[2:11:00] Speaker 1: I want to hear that? You trying to discredit my
[2:11:02] Speaker 1: loyalty for fucking coke. No, ain't nobody discrediting. I got
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: the rings yesterday. I got them. So what? I got
[2:11:08] Speaker 1: the rings yesterday. So what? What do you have? Everything.
[2:11:10] Speaker 1: What do you have?
[2:11:11] Speaker 3: Everything.
[2:11:11] Speaker 1: Since when? I don't need nothing. Why do I need something?
[2:11:14] Speaker 1: Why do I need something? What I'm saying is you're
[2:11:16] Speaker 1: saying you're a fan trying to tell these people I'm not.
[2:11:19] Speaker 1: Show me your proof. When did I tell them not?
[2:11:21] Speaker 1: Show me your proof. When did we tell them? Do
[2:11:23] Speaker 1: you have any kids named after his kids? No, I do.
[2:11:26] Speaker 1: When did we tell him he wasn't a fan? Do
[2:11:29] Speaker 1: you even know his favorite ring? Bro, you tripping. Do
[2:11:31] Speaker 1: you know his favorite ring? You tripping. Just as a
[2:11:34] Speaker 1: Kobe fan, I can tell you it ain't the first ring. Brandon.
[2:11:36] Speaker 1: It's the one. Do you know the date? 6-14. Do
[2:11:38] Speaker 1: you know what 6-14 is? You asked for this. Do
[2:11:42] Speaker 1: you know 614? Do you know the date?
[2:11:44] Speaker 3: No, you don't. You're not a Kobe fan.
[2:11:46] Speaker 1: 614 is when he got his real ring to shut
[2:11:49] Speaker 1: everybody up. This is weird, man. 617 is when he
[2:11:52] Speaker 1: got his second one. That's when he said, this one
[2:11:54] Speaker 1: is the sweetest. Y'all wanted to do that? You asked
[2:11:57] Speaker 1: some NBA players in All-Star Weekend what I told them.
[2:12:01] Speaker 1: I'm next to Kobe, and I'm signing my signature with
[2:12:05] Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. And let me fucking prove to you, because
[2:12:07] Speaker 1: you motherfuckers out here disrespecting my Kobe-ness. This is real talk.
[2:12:15] Speaker 1: They thought I was a groupie. They thought I was
[2:12:18] Speaker 1: a groupie. And I did too much. Where the fucking
[2:12:21] Speaker 1: camera's at? Look who's going on right now. You see this? See,
[2:12:27] Speaker 1: this is Kobe. Everybody at All-Star was annoyed with me
[2:12:30] Speaker 1: because this is Kobe's signature. Mine. Kobe's my I made
[2:12:38] Speaker 1: sure not another nigga set their asses because when I
[2:12:42] Speaker 1: wanted to finish history and I got the ball I
[2:12:45] Speaker 1: wanted my signature with his your signatures are touching That's it. Yes.
[2:12:51] Speaker 1: So why did you say USA basketball? Are you saying
[2:12:54] Speaker 1: it was USA basketball? 2006. I'm on it. I'm on
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: the team. You said, do you know what number I want?
[2:13:01] Speaker 1: Do you know what number I wore? He said, you said,
[2:13:03] Speaker 1: do you know what number I want? Do you know
[2:13:06] Speaker 1: what number I wore? Favorite player. Huh? Do you know
[2:13:09] Speaker 1: what number I wore? 10. 10. Why did I wear 10?
[2:13:13] Speaker 1: Because he said it told me personally, if he ever
[2:13:15] Speaker 1: was on it, he's going to wear 10. One more
[2:13:18] Speaker 1: than Colts. One more than Jordan. How would I know
[2:13:22] Speaker 1: to pick that exact number? Watch it out, man.
[2:13:26] Speaker 3: Stop.
[2:13:27] Speaker 1: Stop, man. All you Kobe fans, there's only one nigga
[2:13:30] Speaker 1: that got the same amount of, the same, all five rings.
[2:13:33] Speaker 1: I'm not a Kobe fan, man. You know what his
[2:13:36] Speaker 1: rule was? I'm a student. I'm a student, man. We
[2:13:38] Speaker 1: are students first. You know what your rule was? Kyrie,
[2:13:41] Speaker 1: look at your boy. You don't need to talk on me.
[2:13:44] Speaker 1: I'll let you talk. You know what the rule was
[2:13:46] Speaker 1: with the five rings? Don't put these two next to
[2:13:51] Speaker 1: those three. Make sure you don't have all five together.
[2:13:56] Speaker 1: These two. Don't put them next to these three. That
[2:14:00] Speaker 1: was the only goddamn rule. His daughter Gianna, my daughter Gia. Gigi,
[2:14:09] Speaker 1: Gia Grace, Gigi. That's what I do. I was a
[2:14:18] Speaker 1: fanatic but I'm not gonna spew my bias when I
[2:14:23] Speaker 1: supposed to be media giving out neutral fucking information. So
[2:14:28] Speaker 1: if I say he was a sidekick, I'm going off
[2:14:31] Speaker 1: of what he was saying then, right? Are you acting
[2:14:34] Speaker 1: like he didn't say he was robbing? Are we going
[2:14:38] Speaker 1: to pretend that's not what he said? We're not going
[2:14:40] Speaker 1: to pretend that the fourth ring was his best ring
[2:14:43] Speaker 1: because nobody was giving him credit for the first three rings?
[2:14:46] Speaker 1: Did we not? You want to pretend that wasn't a thing?
[2:14:49] Speaker 1: The fifth one is the sweetest? After Shaq won his
[2:14:53] Speaker 1: fourth one? He's mad as a motherfucker getting in the gym?
[2:14:57] Speaker 1: Do you not know the history? Let me tell you
[2:14:59] Speaker 1: the history, sir. When they was comparing him and T-Mac, right?
[2:15:04] Speaker 1: When T-Mac beat him in a scoring title. One average 30,
[2:15:08] Speaker 1: one average 32. At All-Star weekend, because I know you
[2:15:10] Speaker 1: wasn't there. You were still probably in college, right? At
[2:15:12] Speaker 1: All-Star weekend, when they're having this conversation amongst men, when
[2:15:16] Speaker 1: Kobe was like, I would have won. I had Shaq.
[2:15:20] Speaker 1: I had Shaquille O'Neal. That's the only reason you beat me.
[2:15:24] Speaker 1: And T-Mac is, well, I'm getting doubled and triple teamed.
[2:15:29] Speaker 1: I'm getting doubled and triple teamed. You're playing one-on-one when
[2:15:32] Speaker 1: Shaq is in the game. So, shit, what are we
[2:15:34] Speaker 1: talking about? You think you can stop me if Shaq
[2:15:37] Speaker 1: is not back? That's what the two titans is. And
[2:15:40] Speaker 1: we sit there like, oh, shit, yeah. And then what happened? Eventually,
[2:15:45] Speaker 1: Kobe got rid of Shaq, right? And then this is
[2:15:49] Speaker 1: what you don't know. The very next year when Shaq
[2:15:52] Speaker 1: was gone, Kobe production was at 27 a game. Went
[2:15:56] Speaker 1: from 46 to 43. Didn't make first team, made third team.
[2:16:01] Speaker 1: Didn't make all defense like he was before. What you
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: think they were saying in the locker room, dog? Ah, see,
[2:16:07] Speaker 1: you said when you didn't have nobody, you was going
[2:16:10] Speaker 1: to average about 32, 33. What happened, fam? What happened?
[2:16:14] Speaker 1: That was the question. For him to come back and
[2:16:19] Speaker 1: do what? Average 35. First team. Scoring title. First team
[2:16:25] Speaker 1: all defense. That's when we all shut the fuck up. God,
[2:16:29] Speaker 1: there was no more talk. The king is here. That's
[2:16:32] Speaker 1: what happened. The king is here. I told y'all when
[2:16:35] Speaker 1: I got rid of Shaq what I was going to do.
[2:16:37] Speaker 1: And he did it. And nobody ever questioned him again.
[2:16:43] Speaker 1: But the 2002, 96, 97, 98, that was a thing.
[2:16:50] Speaker 1: Talking about what happened in the past is not a
[2:16:52] Speaker 1: knock against somebody's legacy because the legacy is already sealed, sir.
[2:16:57] Speaker 1: That goes for you and all the motherfuckers out there.
[2:17:00] Speaker 1: You can't out Kobe me in a Kobe stuff. That's
[2:17:04] Speaker 1: not how it works. When I say he was a sidekick,
[2:17:07] Speaker 1: because that's what it was. I'm the Robin. I want
[2:17:09] Speaker 1: to fucking be Batman. There was no Batman Superman. It
[2:17:12] Speaker 1: was Batman and Robin. And he's arguing. No, I'm Batman.
[2:17:15] Speaker 1: I'm Batman. I'm Batman. That's what that was. I like
[2:17:23] Speaker 1: the Kobe's though. They cool. Are we done? Can we
[2:17:32] Speaker 1: move on? Unless he got his Kobe stuff. I doubt it.
[2:17:36] Speaker 1: I just think he's an internet Kobe fan. I just
[2:17:40] Speaker 1: think it's a chat Kobe style. Just like chats. Can
[2:17:45] Speaker 1: I say my part? Yeah, you can do your thing.
[2:17:47] Speaker 1: Can I say this?
[2:17:48] Speaker 6: To everybody that's a Kobe fan out there, this is
[2:17:52] Speaker 6: exactly what the mama mentality is.
[2:17:56] Speaker 1: Discipline.
[2:17:58] Speaker 6: To know when to center yourself when there's chaos all
[2:18:01] Speaker 6: around you.
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: Let that chaos disperse. When you stay silent, you stay
[2:18:07] Speaker 1: sealed in your tone. You don't hear no other shit
[2:18:11] Speaker 1: around you.
[2:18:13] Speaker 6: It's only the truth. RIP to my homie. Ain't nothing
[2:18:19] Speaker 6: going to replace you. Ain't no stats. Ain't no nothing
[2:18:24] Speaker 6: going to stop this mentality that you have spread throughout
[2:18:27] Speaker 6: the cosmos.
[2:18:28] Speaker 1: My bro. And we appreciate that. Anything outside that's distracting that,
[2:18:33] Speaker 1: we know it. We see it. We feel it. Push
[2:18:35] Speaker 1: it to the side. We know what it is. We
[2:18:37] Speaker 1: know what it is.
[2:18:38] Speaker 6: But the people who fuck with Kobe like that, like
[2:18:41] Speaker 6: I do, we not fans, we students. And we learn
[2:18:44] Speaker 6: from the great. We learn from the Kobe that we
[2:18:47] Speaker 6: knew he was trying to teach us something.
[2:18:49] Speaker 1: Okay, so he must be one of these 2020 Kobe fans.
[2:18:51] Speaker 1: So let me tell you, for all you fans that
[2:18:53] Speaker 1: are 2020... That.
[2:18:54] Speaker 6: Was my piece, so there ain't no rebuttal after this.
[2:18:56] Speaker 1: No, I got it. For the 2020 fans, that's cool.
[2:19:02] Speaker 1: That watered down the mama mentality. The mama mentality is destruction.
[2:19:08] Speaker 1: It's fuck you and go. That's the mamba mentality. Precision, poison, death,
[2:19:18] Speaker 1: by any means. That's what mamba mentality was. That's why
[2:19:26] Speaker 1: they didn't like mamba mentality. That's why it became watered
[2:19:29] Speaker 1: down and commercialized after. Oh, we all love mamba. Nobody
[2:19:34] Speaker 1: liked mamba mentality. It was ruthless. He didn't give a
[2:19:38] Speaker 1: fuck about you. Does the snake care about you? You
[2:19:41] Speaker 1: in his way, it's biting, sir. What I did to
[2:19:44] Speaker 1: you was mamba mentality. What you did here with the
[2:19:48] Speaker 1: peace and love and the brother, that's the new shit.
[2:19:51] Speaker 1: That's the new mamba. That is not mamba. I'm a mongoose.
[2:19:56] Speaker 1: You don't even know what a mongoose is. Gilbert don't
[2:19:59] Speaker 1: even know what a mongoose is. And he'll always be
[2:20:02] Speaker 1: a mongoose to me. Always. He don't know until you
[2:20:06] Speaker 1: look it up. But when he does, he'll know Jerry
[2:20:08] Speaker 1: West had the same conversation.
[2:20:10] Speaker 6: There's always going to be a mongoose. And all we
[2:20:14] Speaker 6: eat is who he think he is. Nigga, reality. You're
[2:20:19] Speaker 6: a fucking mamba.
[2:20:20] Speaker 1: I'm a mongoose.
[2:20:21] Speaker 3: Mongoose do eat snacks.
[2:20:22] Speaker 1: Hey, I want Rashad. Man, see, I don't have a
[2:20:28] Speaker 1: body bag. I don't have a body bag to put
[2:20:32] Speaker 1: you in it. Right? This is why I say he
[2:20:37] Speaker 1: knows nothing. Can the chat do it for him? Please chat.
[2:20:44] Speaker 1: Tell him the punchline of what he just said. Here
[2:20:48] Speaker 1: we go. Watch it.
[2:20:51] Speaker 3: I don't know if the chat's going to do their thing.
[2:20:53] Speaker 3: Mongoose Gill.
[2:20:55] Speaker 1: Mongoose Gill. See, you're not one of the titans. Kobe
[2:20:59] Speaker 1: was the black mamba. Can you Google who was the
[2:21:02] Speaker 1: black mongoose? Niggas. This nigga is so... Who was supposed
[2:21:06] Speaker 1: to be the black mongoose? Everybody know it. It's crazy, man.
[2:21:10] Speaker 1: So you just gave me the mamba and you're going
[2:21:13] Speaker 1: to eat it with the mongoose? Oh, my God. Wow.
[2:21:16] Speaker 1: Who was the black mongoose? The black mongoose. That's what
[2:21:19] Speaker 1: the nickname was after I scored 60.
[2:21:21] Speaker 3: You called yourself the black mongoose.
[2:21:23] Speaker 1: Oh, wow. What happened to that? Did you keep it?
[2:21:27] Speaker 1: Or it was just that one? That game?
[2:21:29] Speaker 6: It was just that game? Was it? Not the black mongoose.
[2:21:37] Speaker 1: Because you're not the black mongoose right now. He fell
[2:21:41] Speaker 1: in the back. Where the mongoose been all day? Where
[2:21:47] Speaker 1: the mongoose been all day? This motherfucker took my name.
[2:21:50] Speaker 1: Where the mongoose been all day? He tried to eat
[2:21:52] Speaker 1: me with my name. You don't even know what the
[2:21:55] Speaker 1: black mongoose is. Right, because you didn't even know what
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: the mamba was.
[2:21:59] Speaker 3: The two enemies that fought. I know what the black
[2:22:02] Speaker 3: Mongoose was.
[2:22:03] Speaker 2: All right, well, hopefully this will alleviate any more further
[2:22:06] Speaker 2: text messaging.
[2:22:08] Speaker 1: We have one last thing to get to. Why you
[2:22:11] Speaker 1: falling crying? He talking about he wanted, I told you, man,
[2:22:14] Speaker 1: this is not the smoke you want, man. Well, let's
[2:22:17] Speaker 1: get this moving.
[2:22:19] Speaker 6: So we have one more thing before we get to
[2:22:20] Speaker 6: most of your fans.
[2:22:22] Speaker 1: We asked the chat, y'all.
[2:22:23] Speaker 3: I elected not to read it.
[2:22:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, not to read it. You want me to? I
[2:22:26] Speaker 1: don't really know who asked the chat.
[2:22:29] Speaker 3: I was over there, so you want to read them?
[2:22:31] Speaker 1: The Black Muggles, man.
[2:22:32] Speaker 3: No, I would not.
[2:22:33] Speaker 1: You know who the Black Muggles is, man. Out of
[2:22:34] Speaker 1: respect for the arena. They know who the Black Muggles was.
[2:22:36] Speaker 1: Go fuck that. We read everything else. We know who
[2:22:38] Speaker 1: the Black Muggles was, man. No, fuck it. We can't
[2:22:40] Speaker 1: have it both ways.
[2:22:41] Speaker 3: Read that shit.
[2:22:42] Speaker 6: So we asked the chat, who has more Kobe-ness? 79%
[2:22:45] Speaker 6: of the chat said Gil.
[2:22:47] Speaker 4: What was the other one? What was the other one?
[2:22:49] Speaker 4: The first question. There was two questions that was asked.
[2:22:52] Speaker 3: Who was writing the discussion? I don't know what those
[2:22:54] Speaker 3: numbers are.
[2:22:55] Speaker 1: Recollection, what was it?
[2:22:57] Speaker 3: It was like 60 to 65, 30.
[2:22:58] Speaker 1: Something like that. I'm just saying. I'm the realist on
[2:23:05] Speaker 1: the fucking couch and I keep things what they should be.
[2:23:07] Speaker 1: He can't have what he motherfucking think. He went in
[2:23:09] Speaker 1: the argument and asked the chat what the fucking chat
[2:23:11] Speaker 1: think and you want to motherfucking hide what the chat
[2:23:14] Speaker 1: was saying just now. It don't fucking work that way, Josiah.
[2:23:17] Speaker 1: Not with me. We're not going to do that, Josiah.
[2:23:19] Speaker 1: We're not going to do that. We're not going to
[2:23:21] Speaker 1: do that. We're not going to do that. Let this
[2:23:38] Speaker 1: be the last time that we have this fucking conversation.
[2:23:41] Speaker 1: Hold on, Ken. You want to base this off of
[2:23:42] Speaker 1: his rant and then my response? No, no. That's what
[2:23:46] Speaker 1: you just said. I'm based on what he said. Can
[2:23:48] Speaker 1: I ask you something? Based on what he said. No,
[2:23:50] Speaker 1: because every time that.
[2:23:52] Speaker 4: Like, when we're having a debate here or whatever you want.
[2:23:54] Speaker 1: To classify it as, You say ask the chat, then
[2:23:57] Speaker 1: your phrase is what? Is it obvious? Is it obvious?
[2:23:59] Speaker 1: So therefore. That wasn't the question. Well, but my thing is.
[2:24:02] Speaker 1: That wasn't the question. Ask the question. I bet you
[2:24:04] Speaker 1: it go 80. But you ask. Hey, man, take them
[2:24:06] Speaker 1: shoes off, man. 80%. Take them shoes off, brother. I
[2:24:10] Speaker 1: don't think. You didn't represent him. Well, I'm just saying.
[2:24:13] Speaker 1: I'm speaking my opinion.
[2:24:16] Speaker 4: I don't want to wake up no fucking more mornings
[2:24:19] Speaker 4: and you two niggas.
[2:24:20] Speaker 1: Is talking about this. No, just say how you want
[2:24:24] Speaker 1: to say it. You shouldn't bring them up no more. Bro,
[2:24:30] Speaker 1: no more.
[2:24:31] Speaker 6: I saw a random link in the motherfucking chat for
[2:24:34] Speaker 6: everybody to fucking enjoy.
[2:24:37] Speaker 1: And all I get is it ain't Kobe this, it
[2:24:39] Speaker 1: ain't Kobe that.
[2:24:40] Speaker 6: And I'm like, yo, I just threw a random link in.
[2:24:43] Speaker 6: Just something we can talk about. And that's all I get.
[2:24:47] Speaker 1: Nigga, you know what you're doing. Stop it. Okay, so
[2:24:49] Speaker 1: now you think I'm doing something. That's different. That's your thing.
[2:24:52] Speaker 1: That's me. Josiah, if you got some shit on Twitter, right,
[2:24:56] Speaker 1: that pop up. Do you think that? Throw that shit
[2:24:59] Speaker 1: in there. Do I not do the same thing? Do
[2:25:00] Speaker 1: I not do the same thing? What do you think?
[2:25:02] Speaker 1: He wants to answer. It's a topic of discussion. It's
[2:25:08] Speaker 1: a topic. I'm not the only person to think that.
[2:25:11] Speaker 1: He's the only one that's answering in the group chat, though.
[2:25:13] Speaker 1: The only motherfucker that's crazy enough to respond in a
[2:25:15] Speaker 1: certain way is this motherfucking shit. He interjects himself in
[2:25:19] Speaker 1: this shit all the time, and I'll be like, I
[2:25:21] Speaker 1: want to text this nigga all the time. Shit, shut
[2:25:22] Speaker 1: the fuck up. This shit ain't got nothing to do
[2:25:25] Speaker 1: with you. I'm going to just sit my ass in
[2:25:27] Speaker 1: the corner. I'm going to just sit my ass in
[2:25:29] Speaker 1: the corner. But what y'all telling the real life? But
[2:25:32] Speaker 1: why you not telling the truth, though? Why y'all not
[2:25:37] Speaker 1: telling the truth? Because he's a LeBron fan. He keeps
[2:25:41] Speaker 1: trying to pretend I'm the LeBron fan. Tell the truth, though.
[2:25:44] Speaker 1: I don't want to have this conversation. I don't want
[2:25:46] Speaker 1: the argument, the debate, the conversation. But you bringing it
[2:25:49] Speaker 1: up and you leaving shit out. No, who bringing it up?
[2:25:51] Speaker 1: I'm just, I don't want to have, listen. But you're
[2:25:52] Speaker 1: leaving shit out, K. The only thing I'm leaving out
[2:25:55] Speaker 1: is the truth. No, the fuck, what I'm saying is
[2:25:58] Speaker 1: I'm tired of this shit. People in the group chats,
[2:26:01] Speaker 1: tired of the shit. That's all. Tired of what? The
[2:26:04] Speaker 1: 300 fucking text messages that we wake up to. Like, hey,
[2:26:09] Speaker 1: did you go watch him coach the girls team? No,
[2:26:12] Speaker 1: probably not. So you tell me, that was a text message.
[2:26:17] Speaker 1: That was a text.
[2:26:18] Speaker 6: That's what happens in the fucking chat. That right there
[2:26:21] Speaker 6: happens in the chat, bro. It ain't got nothing to
[2:26:24] Speaker 6: do with me.
[2:26:25] Speaker 1: What you talking about? What the fuck? What the fuck?
[2:26:27] Speaker 1: Y'all niggas be making me look crazy out here, man.
[2:26:30] Speaker 1: Y'all niggas be making me look out right there.
[2:26:32] Speaker 6: Because you're watching this shit real time like me.
[2:26:35] Speaker 1: You're just as surprised to see a text message pop
[2:26:37] Speaker 1: up like, who is he talking to? No, we know
[2:26:40] Speaker 1: who he's talking to. Why is he talking to me?
[2:26:42] Speaker 1: Because I ain't said shit. I woke up at 5.43
[2:26:46] Speaker 1: in the morning. I'm like, why is he talking to me?
[2:26:48] Speaker 1: I ain't saying nothing. Brandon? No, I said, no.
[2:26:51] Speaker 6: I said, they be going crazy. Y'all be going crazy.
[2:26:54] Speaker 6: Now as they be going crazy. I see what y'all on.
[2:26:56] Speaker 6: I see what y'all on. I see what y'all on. Josiah,
[2:26:59] Speaker 6: I see what y'all on. What random text messages say?
[2:27:03] Speaker 1: Can y'all stop this shit? That's it. I don't be saying.
[2:27:06] Speaker 1: Y'all be going crazy. Listen. What did I say? What
[2:27:10] Speaker 1: did I say? What did I tell you they need
[2:27:12] Speaker 1: to do? You two niggas need to show power. Show debate. Arguments. Why?
[2:27:16] Speaker 1: But why? But why? I'm not arguing. Because y'all be
[2:27:19] Speaker 1: the only two arguing in the chat.
[2:27:20] Speaker 3: No, ain't no argument. I mean, we're debating.
[2:27:22] Speaker 1: Argument. I'm responding. He said he responds. The only thing, listen,
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: having a conversation. You guys be having a conversation. Only
[2:27:31] Speaker 1: thing I'm trying to do, only thing I could do
[2:27:32] Speaker 1: is to silence it. I can't remove myself. I've tried
[2:27:35] Speaker 1: to remove myself multiple times.
[2:27:38] Speaker 6: It makes it one-sided. This is why, Brandon. It makes
[2:27:43] Speaker 6: it one-sided.
[2:27:43] Speaker 1: When I throw something in the chat, nobody responds but Gil. Exactly.
[2:27:48] Speaker 1: So if I throw random shit, he do. He do.
[2:27:51] Speaker 1: So listen to what you just told. Listen to what
[2:27:53] Speaker 1: you just revealed. Listen to what you just revealed. Listen
[2:27:55] Speaker 1: to what you just revealed. Y'all just put it. You
[2:28:00] Speaker 1: just put the shit in the chat. Y'all don't want
[2:28:03] Speaker 1: to talk about that shit. I want to talk about
[2:28:06] Speaker 1: it here. Dead man. Dead man. What you going to do?
[2:28:10] Speaker 1: What did I say? Let's have this a work chat, right?
[2:28:13] Speaker 1: Work related shit. Let's do it. We're going to have
[2:28:15] Speaker 1: this conversation like I said. But y'all not participating in
[2:28:17] Speaker 1: the conversation.
[2:28:21] Speaker 6: That conversation is between y'all it's not put in the
[2:28:27] Speaker 6: chat to be between me and us but you know
[2:28:31] Speaker 6: who gonna respond I don't know shit that's why I
[2:28:34] Speaker 6: put it in there history hasn't proven who is gonna.
[2:28:37] Speaker 1: Respond when you say it The most triggered. The nigga
[2:28:44] Speaker 1: had a whole bag yesterday. He had a whole bag.
[2:28:47] Speaker 1: The nigga took out a mask. He took out a
[2:28:52] Speaker 1: mask yesterday. What are we talking about? He took out
[2:28:55] Speaker 1: a whole mask yesterday. And he was ready to go.
[2:29:02] Speaker 1: Jordan said he don't want me. He even said I
[2:29:05] Speaker 1: will debate you if you agree that I beat you.
[2:29:09] Speaker 1: I even agree. Did I agree? Tell him what it's saying.
[2:29:13] Speaker 1: Did I agree? Tell him what it's saying. Did I agree?
[2:29:18] Speaker 1: Tell him what it's saying. No, no, no. I went
[2:29:21] Speaker 1: on my knees. I went on my knees. Did I not?
[2:29:25] Speaker 1: Tell him. Yeah, you did. Let's read what it's saying.
[2:29:29] Speaker 1: This is how the morning started though. The morning started.
[2:29:51] Speaker 1: The morning started, Brandon.
[2:29:53] Speaker 6: I said, man, if I played with Shaq, I would
[2:29:55] Speaker 6: have owned all the businesses that he got offered.
[2:29:57] Speaker 1: I'm the 14th option with three rings. Who's going to
[2:30:00] Speaker 1: say no? Random. Put that in the chat.
[2:30:03] Speaker 3: Just random.
[2:30:04] Speaker 1: Random. Man. There's 500. There's a 500.
[2:30:12] Speaker 6: I'll say you wouldn't own nothing. And everything will say
[2:30:15] Speaker 6: everybody would say no.
[2:30:17] Speaker 1: Not my opinion.
[2:30:18] Speaker 6: Just the fact from data option three through 14.
[2:30:21] Speaker 1: He played with don't own those. All those businesses he owns.
[2:30:25] Speaker 1: Everyone said. You're. Who are y'all again? Or whatever that was.
[2:30:30] Speaker 1: That's how it started in the morning. That was 5.
[2:30:33] Speaker 6: So you made a statement. That was 5.37. I don't
[2:30:36] Speaker 6: get out of bed before 2.30.
[2:30:37] Speaker 1: In the morning. And that was his first. 2.30. That
[2:30:39] Speaker 1: was his first. 2.30. Right? Wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on.
[2:30:44] Speaker 1: What time did you make that statement? Because who is
[2:30:48] Speaker 1: up that early? You made a statement and you said.
[2:30:51] Speaker 6: What if you played with Shaq and you was the.
[2:30:55] Speaker 1: 14th, you will make You have all these businesses. I
[2:30:59] Speaker 1: just check fact check. You're like, I disagree because Shaq
[2:31:04] Speaker 1: doesn't want four rings. Triggered. He won four rings. Player
[2:31:09] Speaker 1: from 13th to 14th on all these teams don't own
[2:31:12] Speaker 1: this shit. So I disagree. That's how it is. That's
[2:31:16] Speaker 1: how it is. Come on, let me finish. Charlie's never
[2:31:18] Speaker 1: let me cook, bro. I am. You can't. Go ahead.
[2:31:22] Speaker 1: That's how it started. This is how the conversation ended.
[2:31:26] Speaker 6: I'm officially on Rashad's side on all topics. If he
[2:31:31] Speaker 6: says Batman is yellow, I agree. I said, I'm the greatest.
[2:31:35] Speaker 6: I'm the greatest arguer of all time. Don't you agree? Yes,
[2:31:39] Speaker 6: I agree. You're the MJ Kobe of arguing. Before that,
[2:31:44] Speaker 6: I said, I'll debate you if you say I am
[2:31:47] Speaker 6: the greatest arguer of all time.
[2:31:50] Speaker 1: And I say you are the Michael Jordan of Kobe.
[2:31:53] Speaker 1: You didn't say greatest. You didn't say I was the greatest.
[2:31:57] Speaker 1: You say it. You say it. I want to hear
[2:32:00] Speaker 1: you say it. I want to hear you say it.
[2:32:03] Speaker 1: I want to hear you say it. Boom! Who's the greatest?
[2:32:08] Speaker 1: I didn't even fucking pull out no pistol. Is Batman...
[2:32:12] Speaker 1: I hit him. Is Batman yellow? I hit him. Is
[2:32:15] Speaker 1: Batman yellow? I said Batman was yellow, yes, sir. No,
[2:32:18] Speaker 1: is he yellow? Yes, sir. He's yellow, goddamn it. You
[2:32:20] Speaker 1: say he's yellow, he's yellow. He better be fucking yellow.
[2:32:23] Speaker 1: I said he's green now. He's green, nigga. He's green.
[2:32:25] Speaker 1: He better be fucking green. Now, I want you to
[2:32:27] Speaker 1: be like Kobe and stand on it. No, I don't
[2:32:29] Speaker 1: want to be shit. I'm the one to make the demands.
[2:32:31] Speaker 1: I'm the greatest.
[2:32:32] Speaker 3: I'm the greatest.
[2:32:36] Speaker 1: Now it ends. Now it ends. We got proof. We
[2:32:42] Speaker 1: got proof. We got proof.
[2:32:44] Speaker 6: What was the proof? We got proof.
[2:32:51] Speaker 1: What the proof was, if I said you was the greatest,
[2:32:54] Speaker 1: I gave you Jordan and Kobe. No, you just catapulted
[2:32:59] Speaker 1: a corner nigga. You just catapulted a corner nigga to
[2:33:02] Speaker 1: the greatest of all time. This is how you come up.
[2:33:05] Speaker 1: Because that's what you said. This is how you come up. Yeah. Yeah,
[2:33:09] Speaker 1: you beat a nigga so bad, you say, you can
[2:33:10] Speaker 1: stand on my block now. Yeah, you told me to
[2:33:12] Speaker 1: stand on the block. And if I did that, you
[2:33:15] Speaker 1: would debate me to come on here today to get
[2:33:18] Speaker 1: your ass barbecued. Because you left yesterday. What'd you do yesterday? See,
[2:33:25] Speaker 1: my shit's floating. He ducked like a motherfucker yesterday, K.
[2:33:28] Speaker 1: Y'all let him duck. And y'all let him do it.
[2:33:30] Speaker 1: What'd he do, y'all? Did he duck? Did he duck?
[2:33:33] Speaker 1: Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did
[2:33:34] Speaker 1: he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck?
[2:33:36] Speaker 1: Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did
[2:33:38] Speaker 1: he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck?
[2:33:39] Speaker 3: Did he duck?
[2:33:39] Speaker 1: Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did
[2:33:41] Speaker 1: he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck?
[2:33:43] Speaker 1: Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did
[2:33:45] Speaker 1: he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck?
[2:33:46] Speaker 5: Did he duck?
[2:33:46] Speaker 1: Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did
[2:33:47] Speaker 1: he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck?
[2:33:50] Speaker 6: Did he duck?
[2:33:51] Speaker 1: Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did
[2:33:52] Speaker 1: he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck? Did he duck?
[2:33:54] Speaker 1: Did he You know why? You know why? You know why?
[2:33:58] Speaker 1: I needed him in real life. What did I know
[2:34:03] Speaker 1: he was going to do? Put what? I knew he
[2:34:08] Speaker 1: wasn't going to put Shea number one. I knew he wasn't.
[2:34:12] Speaker 1: I knew that's how far I'm in front of that motherfucker.
[2:34:16] Speaker 6: I knew he wasn't going to put a shot at
[2:34:19] Speaker 6: number one.
[2:34:22] Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't going to put a champion number one.
[2:34:24] Speaker 1: Just so I can body bag his ass today. I
[2:34:28] Speaker 1: knew he wasn't going to do it. Just so his
[2:34:30] Speaker 1: ass get contradicted today. That's why I waited. Had a
[2:34:34] Speaker 1: bag full of goodies. Didn't do shit with them to
[2:34:37] Speaker 1: get motherfuckers.
[2:34:40] Speaker 6: Boom!
[2:34:41] Speaker 1: Not you doing this. It's a crash out, man. Why
[2:34:45] Speaker 1: is he still talking? Why is he still talking? The
[2:34:49] Speaker 1: grenade fucked him up. The grenade fucked him up. Why
[2:34:52] Speaker 1: is he still talking? That wasn't a dud. Damn, Joe.
[2:34:56] Speaker 1: I didn't throw him no dud, King. This wasn't for
[2:34:59] Speaker 1: play play. Jack, this wasn't for play play. I don't
[2:35:02] Speaker 1: want to see the don't shoot hands, Joe. Do you
[2:35:03] Speaker 1: see what happens? The don't shoot hands. Your man. This
[2:35:06] Speaker 1: is your man. I know, Black. I don't even want
[2:35:09] Speaker 1: to throw one. I'm going to save this one. He
[2:35:12] Speaker 1: got no legs.
[2:35:15] Speaker 6: On that note, let us move to MostlyFans if we
[2:35:17] Speaker 6: can't play.
[2:35:18] Speaker 1: MostlyFans just got destroyed, too. They got destroyed, too. Blew
[2:35:27] Speaker 1: up the set. Set blown. At the beginning of the show,
[2:35:32] Speaker 1: you have to give money away. It's not time to
[2:35:34] Speaker 1: leave yet. It's not time to leave yet.
[2:35:38] Speaker 2: So at the beginning of the show, we mentioned that
[2:35:40] Speaker 2: we won the Hashtag Sports Award for best use of
[2:35:42] Speaker 2: online video. You said you would give away $ 1, 000 for
[2:35:45] Speaker 2: the check.
[2:35:45] Speaker 1: Everybody who thinks Rashad lost, put an L with no
[2:35:51] Speaker 1: legs in your cash. You have to pick five people
[2:35:55] Speaker 1: to get $ 200 each.
[2:35:56] Speaker 6: No legs.
[2:35:56] Speaker 1: Like, no leg emojis.
[2:35:59] Speaker 6: I want to be in a wheelchair. So it has
[2:36:01] Speaker 6: to be a wheelchair. The international rolling 67.
[2:36:04] Speaker 1: Put Larry in a wheelchair with your cash out.
[2:36:06] Speaker 3: The rolling 67.
[2:36:07] Speaker 1: I'm only going wheelchair, cash out.
[2:36:13] Speaker 3: Gil, we have to wait a short second for this.
[2:36:15] Speaker 3: Got to have him in a wheelchair.
[2:36:17] Speaker 1: No legs. Can't even put no shoes on.
[2:36:19] Speaker 3: Gil, can you please give away the money?
[2:36:20] Speaker 1: I want the, I want the, they got to have
[2:36:22] Speaker 1: the no legs, sir. That's loud. That is loud.
[2:36:31] Speaker 2: So far, the chat has not chosen to acknowledge your request.
[2:36:39] Speaker 2: Somebody has commented, Laker Life said, Keith Van Horn going
[2:36:42] Speaker 2: number one in the draft tonight.
[2:36:43] Speaker 1: We got one. These Kobe's are nice, though. Shit feel good. Okay,
[2:36:49] Speaker 1: we got two. Please read their names.
[2:36:51] Speaker 6: Like I said, Keith Van Horst getting drafted number one tonight.
[2:36:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, hell yeah. I'll give him more than that.
[2:37:01] Speaker 1: I'll take them out and give them him. Because he's cold.
[2:37:04] Speaker 1: He's cold, but he ain't like that. Okay, yes, yes.
[2:37:08] Speaker 1: Keith was cold. Yes, he's more athletic than Keith Vance. Yes,
[2:37:11] Speaker 1: he is. I don't think he's as good as Keith, though.
[2:37:13] Speaker 1: Dreadboy J. Dreadboy J. I'll give you that. Dreadboy J.
[2:37:18] Speaker 1: He's more athletic than Keith Vance. Absolutely. And Kid Retro.
[2:37:23] Speaker 1: Kid Retro. K-I-D-R-I-T-R-O. Absolutely. Kid Retro. You guys will each
[2:37:28] Speaker 1: get $ 500. Gil's giving you his money. Ask Gil. Don't
[2:37:32] Speaker 1: bother us. Gil's not time to leave.
[2:37:35] Speaker 3: Put your ball back.
[2:37:35] Speaker 1: Boom! You want to put your ball back where it belongs?
[2:37:39] Speaker 3: Oh, you're on that way.
[2:37:39] Speaker 1: Gil shows him to leave the ring. I can't go
[2:37:41] Speaker 1: that way. I can't go that way.
[2:37:42] Speaker 6: It's a no-win.
[2:37:43] Speaker 1: It's a no-win in that zone. I'm going to ass-match that.
[2:37:46] Speaker 6: Yo.
[2:37:48] Speaker 2: Anywho, I appreciate everybody in the chat for watching the
[2:37:51] Speaker 2: show today. Hopefully this will end any further conversation. Good
[2:37:57] Speaker 2: luck to all the players getting drafted tonight.
[2:37:59] Speaker 1: Everybody who doesn't. Yeah, man.
[2:38:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
[2:38:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. Congratulations to all the players getting drafted.
[2:38:04] Speaker 8: And this is the moment we all, you know, a
[2:38:07] Speaker 8: lot of us dream of. So to hear your name
[2:38:09] Speaker 8: being called, I know mine wasn't as what I thought, but,
[2:38:12] Speaker 8: you know, we got through it. Michael Jackson died the
[2:38:14] Speaker 8: day of my draft, so a lot of chaos.
[2:38:16] Speaker 3: Unfortunate. Rest in peace, Hector.
[2:38:19] Speaker 1: So, yeah. But, yeah, man, enjoy it, man. Have fun
[2:38:21] Speaker 1: in New York, man. The party is going to be
[2:38:25] Speaker 1: the party. The party is the party, man.
[2:38:28] Speaker 2: We're going to play MJ at the draft party.
[2:38:30] Speaker 4: My fucking draft was in Minnesota, so y'all had me
[2:38:32] Speaker 4: beat anywhere. Listen, our draft was the last draft not
[2:38:37] Speaker 4: to be in New York.
[2:38:38] Speaker 1: How about that shit? Damn, that's good. Damn, really? That's nasty.
[2:38:41] Speaker 1: I got dragged. I was there the next night, though.
[2:38:43] Speaker 3: Hey, fight.
[2:38:44] Speaker 1: Let it be tight. You was over there? The next night, PJ.
[2:38:47] Speaker 3: Hey, hey.
[2:38:48] Speaker 1: I got money now. Right there, right there. PJ, the
[2:38:52] Speaker 1: team PJ. I got money now. The next PJ, me
[2:38:54] Speaker 1: right there. I was 22 when I got dragged, so
[2:38:56] Speaker 1: I was in. Yeah, yeah.
[2:38:58] Speaker 3: Hey, Al here.
[2:39:00] Speaker 2: Hey, Cooper Flack, I need the interview, baby. Shout out
[2:39:04] Speaker 2: to Cooper Flack, presumed to be the number one pick
[2:39:07] Speaker 2: if the Lakers don't make a draft day trade to
[2:39:09] Speaker 2: further dampen the mass spirit.
[2:39:12] Speaker 3: They have to trade LeBron.
[2:39:13] Speaker 8: I can't wait to see these fits tonight.
[2:39:16] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. These suits finna be crazy. Oh, it's getting
[2:39:19] Speaker 1: wilder and wilder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of the damn stylist.
[2:39:22] Speaker 3: Uh-huh. And then because of them. And then fashion, we
[2:39:24] Speaker 3: can pay.
[2:39:24] Speaker 1: No, they show it to them, and the dude be like, oh,
[2:39:27] Speaker 1: that's fine.
[2:39:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
[2:39:29] Speaker 1: But you know they don't know. That's the one. Yeah,
[2:39:31] Speaker 1: that is valid.
[2:39:32] Speaker 3: You like this, don't you?
[2:39:33] Speaker 1: It fits you, don't you? It looks good on you. No,
[2:39:35] Speaker 1: that's valid. That's valid.
[2:39:36] Speaker 6: Appreciate everybody in the chat. Appreciate everybody on this couch.
[2:39:39] Speaker 6: This has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:39:41] Speaker 1: Woof, woof.
[2:39:42] Speaker 3: Woof, woof.
[2:39:43] Speaker 1: We will see y'all tomorrow.

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