# The Suns & Warriors' HOT START Fires Up Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 5 Nov 2024, 2 h 38 min.

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The Phoenix Suns & Golden State Warriors HOT START Fires Up Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to The Suns & Warriors getting off to a 6-1 start to open up the 2025 NBA Season and debate if these teams led by Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Devin Booker and Draymond Green are for real as they strive to take control of the NBA's Western Conference. They also react to KD taking a page out of Cemetery Larry's book by sparking a hostile beef with Stephen A Smith and discuss if the media mogul crossed the line by making his criticism of the NBA legend too personal. Next, they break down Paul George's return to action by making his debut for the Philadelphia 76ers where he waved off a red hot Tyrese Maxey to take and miss the last shot of the game. The Gil's Arena Crew debates if this was the right move by PG in his first game back and ponder if chemistry issues are on the horizon for the 76ers as Maxey now has to take a backseat to Paul George and Joel Embiid after carrying the team in their absense. Finally, Gil & the Crew GO CRAZY over Ja Morant's highlight reel night full of 360 layups and react to the news that San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich will be sidelined indefinitely due to health issues. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin, & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena Merch is Available NOW at http://gilsarenamerch.com/ Use code GIL10 for 10% off your SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL10 Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:05 Grant Williams Takes A Run At Tatum 0:06:00 Foul Baiting In Today's NBA 0:20:42 Paul George's Questionable Last Shot 0:42:41 The Phoenix Suns' RED HOT Start 0:57:55 KD is Beefing with Stephen A Smith 1:10:35 Jordan Poole & Draymond Go At Eachother 1:54:00 Jordan Poole is Finally Thriving 2:08:58 Breaking News - Joel Embiid Suspended 2:16:46 MostlyFans 2:32:35 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog. Woo-woo!
[0:07] Speaker 2: Glorious Tuesday here in the arena. A lot of basketball talk,
[0:11] Speaker 2: some other things going on in the world. But nonetheless,
[0:14] Speaker 2: we are here to bring you your favorite show. What's
[0:16] Speaker 2: going down, everybody?
[0:17] Speaker 1: Everybody good? I like that shirt, man. You know, the
[0:20] Speaker 1: world champions of the world. Man, they need to make
[0:23] Speaker 1: the gold a little bit bigger. Around their neck? Yeah.
[0:27] Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair. USA. USA. God bless America. Better
[0:33] Speaker 1: enjoy it.
[0:34] Speaker 3: Huh?
[0:35] Speaker 1: Better enjoy it.
[0:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[0:36] Speaker 1: Every single moment.
[0:37] Speaker 3: Y'all done?
[0:38] Speaker 1: Y'all done? Y'all done? Y'all done? I'm trying to tell you, homeboy.
[0:43] Speaker 2: But nonetheless, this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. As always,
[0:46] Speaker 2: we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us.
[0:48] Speaker 3: What up?
[0:53] Speaker 2: And on this side. Unusual for the day. The man
[0:57] Speaker 2: they know.
[0:58] Speaker 1: Cemetery Larry. Rashad McKiss. Back on the kind of weird
[1:01] Speaker 1: city on the inside. Black Tim.
[1:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, man. I want to explain my shirt. It says,
[1:10] Speaker 3: Mike said Billie Jean is some work.
[1:16] Speaker 1: Not my lover, just some work.
[1:17] Speaker 3: So are you. If Mike say it's some work, it's
[1:21] Speaker 3: some work. So we let Mike call him out. Billy G,
[1:25] Speaker 3: it's just the work. Not my lover.
[1:27] Speaker 2: Then on this side of the couch, we got Kenya Martin.
[1:32] Speaker 1: What's wrong with him, man? Billy G, it's the original work. Oh,
[1:38] Speaker 1: he's looking around. He's looking over his shoulder. It scared
[1:44] Speaker 1: me today.
[1:46] Speaker 2: And we got some good news to report about the show. Overnight,
[1:50] Speaker 2: we surpassed 800,000 subscribers on our YouTube.
[1:56] Speaker 1: Channel.
[1:57] Speaker 2: With over 500 million views on YouTube alone, we got
[2:00] Speaker 2: over a million subscribers across social media. Shout out to
[2:03] Speaker 2: our entire team. Appreciate you. Appreciate you, Gil, for keeping
[2:06] Speaker 2: the lights on. Making sure direct deposit always comes in
[2:08] Speaker 2: on time.
[2:09] Speaker 1: Never have to wait. 9 p.m. Easter, it hits. Or
[2:12] Speaker 1: 9 p.m. Pacific, excuse me.
[2:14] Speaker 3: It feels a little empty in here.
[2:15] Speaker 1: It was a lot. It was a lot going on.
[2:19] Speaker 1: We had a lot going on.
[2:20] Speaker 2: Oh, before you. All the decorations. It feels a little empty.
[2:25] Speaker 2: We got our traditional show. And for all the fans
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[2:35] Speaker 2: And here's what's crackin'. in the arena today. Paul George
[2:38] Speaker 2: made his regular season debut for the Sixers. But should
[2:42] Speaker 2: he have taken the last shot in the game? It
[2:44] Speaker 2: was Tyrese Maxey's birthday. PG said, nonetheless, I'm going to
[2:47] Speaker 2: shoot this thing. Warriors off to a hot start despite
[2:51] Speaker 2: Steph missing some games. Are they for real or a fugazi?
[2:54] Speaker 2: And how long will Jonathan Kaminga keep coming off the bench?
[2:58] Speaker 2: Some things we need to discuss. You got to sign
[3:00] Speaker 2: that deal if you want to get back in the
[3:01] Speaker 2: starting five.
[3:02] Speaker 4: Shh.
[3:03] Speaker 1: And KD called Stephen A.
[3:04] Speaker 2: Smith a clown over some recent comments about Durant's leadership.
[3:08] Speaker 2: But when this criticism crossed the line to being personal,
[3:12] Speaker 2: both are beefing.
[3:13] Speaker 1: Stephen A. responded. We will get into it.
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[3:53] Speaker 1: So we're going to start in the Eastern Conference.
[3:55] Speaker 2: Celtics beat the Hawks by 30 last night to improve
[3:58] Speaker 2: to 7-1 on the season. But we've got to revisit
[4:01] Speaker 2: a situation involving Celtics leading scorer Jason Tatum and former
[4:04] Speaker 2: teammate Grant Williams this past weekend. Boston played back-to-back games
[4:08] Speaker 2: at Charlotte on Friday and Saturday. And in Game 1,
[4:11] Speaker 2: Williams was called for a flagrant two and ejected for
[4:15] Speaker 2: this play on Tatum.
[4:16] Speaker 3: We've got the video.
[4:18] Speaker 1: Let's take a look.
[4:25] Speaker 2: Tatum dribbled the ball off the court. Williams gave him
[4:27] Speaker 2: a hockey check. Sending both players crashing to the ground.
[4:30] Speaker 2: Did not appear like Grant was trying to make a
[4:32] Speaker 2: play on the ball.
[4:34] Speaker 1: Uncertain what was going on in his mind on that play.
[4:39] Speaker 1: I'm trying to fuck him up.
[4:41] Speaker 2: This is odd because Tatum and Williams are known to
[4:43] Speaker 2: be good friends off the court. Since their days as
[4:46] Speaker 2: teammates on the Celtics, Tatum just bounced up. Didn't try
[4:50] Speaker 2: and elevate the incident. But after the game, there were
[4:54] Speaker 2: different interpretations of the foul. Let's start with Grant Williams' assessment.
[4:59] Speaker 5: I think it's more so he didn't see me more
[5:01] Speaker 5: than anything else.
[5:01] Speaker 3: Like I'm reaching him.
[5:02] Speaker 5: Like I definitely made contact with his body before I reached, but, uh,
[5:06] Speaker 5: probably a hard foul, definitely not intentional, not trying to
[5:09] Speaker 5: hurt him by the means. We all know that's one
[5:11] Speaker 5: of my closest friends in the league. And as you see,
[5:13] Speaker 5: he got up and just walked away. And then I
[5:14] Speaker 5: got up and asked for help.
[5:15] Speaker 3: So he raised my hand.
[5:16] Speaker 5: Like I thought it was a foul. JB kind of
[5:18] Speaker 5: escalated it, but I understand he's trying to protect his
[5:20] Speaker 5: teammates and stuff like that. But, um, that's my dog.
[5:24] Speaker 2: That is, that is my dog. Um, So according to Williams,
[5:29] Speaker 2: no big deal. Jalen Brown felt differently about the play.
[5:32] Speaker 2: Here's what he said in postgame.
[5:34] Speaker 3: It was for sure intentional.
[5:36] Speaker 5: Whatever you talk about, y'all see the same play that
[5:39] Speaker 5: I was seeing?
[5:40] Speaker 3: He hit him like it was a football play.
[5:42] Speaker 5: Like Ray Lewis coming across the middle or something.
[5:46] Speaker 3: It is what it is. Grant no better than that.
[5:50] Speaker 2: So Brown was upset, but Tatum would not answer any
[5:52] Speaker 2: questions about Grant Williams. He instead proceeded to drop 32
[5:55] Speaker 2: and 29 points respectively in back-to-back wins at Charlotte. But
[6:00] Speaker 2: the play even got the attention of Draymond Green, who
[6:03] Speaker 2: tweeted this. Thinking a blindside hit on your man is
[6:07] Speaker 2: a smile-worthy offense means one of two things. You have
[6:10] Speaker 2: zero awareness or you a goofy, and both make you
[6:13] Speaker 2: a goofy. We know Draymond's past track record, very interesting
[6:19] Speaker 2: that he also has some commentary on it. But Probably
[6:24] Speaker 2: not the person to speak on the situation, but he did.
[6:28] Speaker 2: Twitter is free for all.
[6:30] Speaker 1: So, Kenya, was the Grant Williams foul a dirty play
[6:32] Speaker 1: or an accident? Definitely wasn't an accident. Yeah, no, he
[6:39] Speaker 1: meant to hit that man that way, man. Homeboy or not,
[6:42] Speaker 1: he meant to do it. So, yeah, I agree. I've
[6:51] Speaker 1: given out hard fouls. I don't think I ran through
[6:54] Speaker 1: AI that way. Many people have pointed out there's a video.
[6:59] Speaker 1: And we was teammates after me and him became close.
[7:05] Speaker 2: We've talked about this before, but obviously you played the
[7:07] Speaker 2: game with fire intensity.
[7:09] Speaker 1: Yeah. But there's still a level of respect. Yeah, for
[7:12] Speaker 1: your so-called homeboys or your friends.
[7:19] Speaker 3: Brotherhood.
[7:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was definitely intentional.
[7:25] Speaker 2: A lot of people on the Internet have pointed to
[7:29] Speaker 2: a video of, I think it was Grant Williams in
[7:30] Speaker 2: the locker room trying to dap up Deuce.
[7:32] Speaker 1: Deuce wasn't having it.
[7:34] Speaker 2: So that may have been a precursor to this situation.
[7:36] Speaker 2: Deuce already knew what time it was with Grant Williams. But, Sean,
[7:39] Speaker 2: let's move over to this side. Kids sense your energy, bro.
[7:42] Speaker 1: They listen.
[7:43] Speaker 3: No, kids listen to their parents.
[7:44] Speaker 1: Kids listen to their parents.
[7:47] Speaker 3: We don't fuck with him like that, dude. We don't
[7:50] Speaker 3: fuck with him.
[7:52] Speaker 2: As a former diehard Celtics fan, what do you think
[7:54] Speaker 2: about this whole situation with Graham Williams and Tatum?
[7:57] Speaker 3: I take my cue from the leader, and the leader
[8:00] Speaker 3: says he knows better than that.
[8:02] Speaker 1: Leader being Jalen Brown in this situation.
[8:05] Speaker 3: I'm just speaking from what I see. Speaking from what
[8:07] Speaker 3: I see. Hey, man, of course it was... The leader
[8:11] Speaker 3: of the team.
[8:12] Speaker 1: I mean, we.
[8:13] Speaker 3: We're witnessing what happens in practice. We've been with this dude.
[8:17] Speaker 3: We know how he functioned, and he's out of pocket,
[8:19] Speaker 3: and he's out of his body. Maybe he's a little
[8:21] Speaker 3: excited from playing against us now, two games in a row.
[8:24] Speaker 1: Cool. You were a little excited.
[8:26] Speaker 3: I get it.
[8:27] Speaker 1: And you're mad.
[8:27] Speaker 3: I'm bawling.
[8:29] Speaker 1: Cool.
[8:29] Speaker 2: But, yeah, he out of pocket completely. I think we
[8:33] Speaker 2: got a perfect. Grant Williams, great dude off the court, friendly, nice,
[8:37] Speaker 2: always got a chance to interview him a couple times.
[8:39] Speaker 2: But it seems like he'll snap on occasion. He flipped
[8:42] Speaker 2: that switch. But Gil, what did you think about this situation?
[8:45] Speaker 2: You got any issue with Grant Williams? Flagrant, too, on
[8:47] Speaker 2: his former teammate, Jason Tatum. I don't think he meant
[8:52] Speaker 2: to hurt him, right? I mean, it wasn't an accident, right?
[8:57] Speaker 2: It was intentional, but I don't think the intention was,
[9:00] Speaker 2: I want to hurt him. Just, you know, sometimes, you know,
[9:04] Speaker 2: stubby buff motherfuckers like that don't... they don't, they don't.
[9:07] Speaker 1: Know, they don't know how strong they are sometimes, right?
[9:10] Speaker 1: You know, it might just be, you know, like, it's
[9:13] Speaker 1: one of those like, ah, you know what I mean?
[9:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[9:16] Speaker 1: One of those, ah, get out of bounds. Oh, shit.
[9:19] Speaker 1: Throw your body around. The creatine kicked in. I think
[9:22] Speaker 1: that's what that is. You know, it's, Like, you see
[9:25] Speaker 1: it all the time. You know, P.J. Tuck, you know, sometimes. P.J.
[9:28] Speaker 1: was one of them guys. Throw your body around. Trying
[9:31] Speaker 1: to stop the foul. Knocked him into the third row,
[9:33] Speaker 1: and he's like, come on, man, stop acting. No, he's
[9:36] Speaker 1: just skinny, you know? You know, yeah, so it was
[9:39] Speaker 1: one of those. That's how Rude was.
[9:41] Speaker 3: Rude was just like that. Rude was just like that.
[9:44] Speaker 1: Reggie Evans, you know. You see him wrestling with him,
[9:47] Speaker 1: hit you in the mouth. Damn, my tooth. Hold on. Damn,
[9:50] Speaker 1: my tooth. I didn't know you was going to leave
[9:52] Speaker 1: your face. My eyes. True. Usually I jump like this.
[9:57] Speaker 3: He's one of those men.
[10:00] Speaker 6: It's a little bit of what Draymond said and, and
[10:02] Speaker 6: a little, you're goofy, you know, at the same time,
[10:06] Speaker 6: it happens, man, you know, and I got to go
[10:08] Speaker 6: off the energy of, you know, Tatum, right? If, You know,
[10:12] Speaker 6: if he didn't think it was worth talking about.
[10:14] Speaker 1: Then, you know, it is what it is. And in
[10:17] Speaker 1: the moment, why the ref grabbing Jason Tatum in the moment? Like,
[10:21] Speaker 1: he walking away from me. Because you feel, oh, he
[10:22] Speaker 1: got hit.
[10:23] Speaker 3: Oh, let me grab him.
[10:24] Speaker 1: He like, man, get your fucking hands off me.
[10:25] Speaker 6: Because, you know, at the end of the day, it's
[10:27] Speaker 6: about how the game was going. So I don't think
[10:29] Speaker 6: that it was going down that road for... if Jason
[10:33] Speaker 6: Tatum is like you since when motherfuckers fucking with you
[10:36] Speaker 6: all game all game so this is just a one
[10:38] Speaker 6: off one off you know stop the break tie the
[10:40] Speaker 6: file but is Tatum not saying something saying something yes
[10:45] Speaker 6: yeah it's.
[10:46] Speaker 3: Saying you know but I think like it's almost like
[10:48] Speaker 3: Jalen Brown being an interpreter for Jason like hey man
[10:54] Speaker 3: you know better than that.
[10:56] Speaker 1: Like what was the conversation after anything Tatum just walked
[11:00] Speaker 1: to yeah walked away Usually, like, if it's going back
[11:04] Speaker 1: and forth, you hit me, and we gonna sit there
[11:06] Speaker 1: and talk and yapping.
[11:07] Speaker 6: Like, it's been going on for two, three minutes. You know, obviously,
[11:10] Speaker 6: this just seemed like it was just a one-off.
[11:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, I just, I mean, even for, like, Draymond, come on, man.
[11:16] Speaker 1: Stop.
[11:17] Speaker 3: I don't need you to vouch.
[11:19] Speaker 1: What? He has opinions. Yeah, but you knocked your teammate out.
[11:23] Speaker 1: It's hilarious.
[11:24] Speaker 3: But you knocked your teammate out.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Stop it. I think that was my favorite part. So
[11:27] Speaker 1: he knows. Yeah.
[11:28] Speaker 3: Me and Goofy, he know about me. Either way, you're Goofy.
[11:30] Speaker 1: You're Goofy. You're Goofy. Was in practice, obviously.
[11:35] Speaker 2: Didn't know that the tape would leak just during the game.
[11:38] Speaker 3: They all get over it, though. They all get over it.
[11:40] Speaker 1: Stop it.
[11:42] Speaker 2: What we asked to chat was Grant Williams flagrant foul.
[11:44] Speaker 2: Tatum was intentional, just a hard foul. 68% said intentional.
[11:49] Speaker 1: Chat, been on the majority today. Intentionally a hard foul.
[11:53] Speaker 1: Could a foul like that alter a friendship? Yeah. And
[11:56] Speaker 1: one of your friends found you like that? Random?
[11:58] Speaker 3: Nah, because we got to, we just, we're going to
[12:00] Speaker 3: talk about it.
[12:01] Speaker 1: Like, yo, what you was on? Yeah. I might get
[12:03] Speaker 1: up and look at you. What's up with you for real? Damn.
[12:09] Speaker 1: Goofy motherfucker. I knew you was goofy, but you ain't stupid,
[12:13] Speaker 1: are you?
[12:14] Speaker 6: Nah, you know the friendship ending ones? Those are the ones, like,
[12:19] Speaker 6: you can see it coming, too. Like, you can see
[12:21] Speaker 6: it in the eye. Like, is this motherfucker about the clothesline, dude?
[12:27] Speaker 1: It looked different. It just looked different, right? The speed.
[12:30] Speaker 1: I ain't running too fast. Like, you know how you're
[12:32] Speaker 1: running on the side, you can see them sizing you up,
[12:35] Speaker 1: and you're like, hold on, you ain't slowing down. You
[12:38] Speaker 1: ain't slowing down. This is getting scary. This is getting scary.
[12:41] Speaker 1: This is when you're supposed to stop. I'm about to
[12:43] Speaker 1: take off, man. No.
[12:45] Speaker 3: I might run straight out of bounds.
[12:47] Speaker 1: Like, oh, okay, all right. Drop the ball. Drop the ball.
[12:51] Speaker 1: That one.
[12:52] Speaker 3: Drop it.
[12:53] Speaker 1: Shit. So we talk about this air being soft nowadays.
[12:56] Speaker 1: Is this just.
[12:57] Speaker 2: Is Graham Williams trying to get rid of that narrative
[12:59] Speaker 2: that the light-skinned dudes aren't with it?
[13:01] Speaker 1: No. No. But I wasn't here. I think y'all discussed it.
[13:07] Speaker 1: What did Mazula say? They should bring back fight. Joe
[13:12] Speaker 1: Mazula did say that. Graham Williams said, hey, we can
[13:15] Speaker 1: do it. We can do it, sir.
[13:17] Speaker 3: Right.
[13:19] Speaker 1: And you know who he played for, right? I do know, King. Who?
[13:23] Speaker 1: Joe Mazula played for Bob Huggins.
[13:25] Speaker 3: West Virginia?
[13:26] Speaker 1: In West Virginia. Bob Huggins a fan of? Fighting.
[13:29] Speaker 2: Fisticuffs and whatnot?
[13:31] Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't have a problem with it. Not like
[13:36] Speaker 1: he said no. I'm not going to support him. He
[13:39] Speaker 1: had no problem. I think I told y'all this story.
[13:41] Speaker 1: I don't want to call a gentleman's name. Like my
[13:43] Speaker 1: freshman year, like one of my first few practices after
[13:46] Speaker 1: I got eligible, there's a loose ball in the starting
[13:50] Speaker 1: center on the team. I'm a freshman. He's a senior.
[13:53] Speaker 1: And there's a loose ball, and he pushed me. To
[13:57] Speaker 1: go get it. And I skinned my hands and my
[13:59] Speaker 1: knees on the floor. Right? It's a good one, too.
[14:03] Speaker 3: Good one. Nasty.
[14:05] Speaker 1: I'm 19, just got eligible, fresh out of Oak Cliff.
[14:10] Speaker 1: I hop up real fast, and I'm like, what the
[14:12] Speaker 1: fuck you did? And before I get my words out,
[14:14] Speaker 1: he threw his hands up. What's up? 6'10, big white boy. Like, listen,
[14:20] Speaker 1: he threw his hands up, and before I knew it,
[14:22] Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, I must have hit him six,
[14:24] Speaker 1: seven times, dawg. And my head coach at the time
[14:29] Speaker 1: told him, said his name, God damn it, protect yourself.
[14:34] Speaker 1: Put your hands up, son. You put your hands up,
[14:36] Speaker 1: you know what that means. I'm a freshman. So it
[14:41] Speaker 1: told me everything I needed to know in that moment, right? Oh,
[14:45] Speaker 1: this is acceptable around here as long as I'm showing up.
[14:48] Speaker 1: But I was one of my first few practices at Cincinnati, though.
[14:51] Speaker 1: I had just got eligible in December. I got in
[14:55] Speaker 1: January when I was able to practice. One of my
[14:57] Speaker 1: first few practices. And, yeah, so Bob Huggins didn't mind.
[15:01] Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure if Mizzou said that, he's had
[15:05] Speaker 1: a few probably altercations in practice because he don't smile. So...
[15:11] Speaker 1: But the other thing is this, though.
[15:13] Speaker 3: It's like when you know what it can do to
[15:16] Speaker 3: your locker room when you got a bunch of prima
[15:17] Speaker 3: donnas walking around, they need to fight each other.
[15:20] Speaker 1: Oh, it's funny you use that word. Oh, he used
[15:22] Speaker 1: to call... Listen, dog.
[15:23] Speaker 3: Prima donnas.
[15:24] Speaker 1: Hey, listen, man. The coaches love that word. I can't
[15:28] Speaker 1: say it because it's frowned upon now with P.U. 's car. You...
[15:31] Speaker 1: prima donna motherfucker you i'd be like damn yes you
[15:37] Speaker 1: gotta talk so nasty yo you gotta say all that.
[15:41] Speaker 3: That's also nasty to me like that jeez i didn't.
[15:44] Speaker 1: Do nothing hey man i used to be in it
[15:46] Speaker 1: because listen because you know y'all i play basketball a
[15:48] Speaker 1: certain way we all know i showed up i played
[15:51] Speaker 1: hard that was my mo from day one so the
[15:54] Speaker 1: things they used to get on players about it never
[15:57] Speaker 1: applied to me that's So I used to sit back
[16:00] Speaker 1: and watch this dog daily and laugh. And we'd be
[16:05] Speaker 1: at halftime of them games, man. I used to sit
[16:07] Speaker 1: in the first locker, dog. And I used to just
[16:10] Speaker 1: sit there and watch the show. Him throwing shit up
[16:13] Speaker 1: against the wall, fucking whole cans of fucking Diet Dr.
[16:16] Speaker 1: Pepper and shit, man. I'm in that. No, not the
[16:18] Speaker 1: Diet Dr.
[16:19] Speaker 4: Pepper.
[16:19] Speaker 3: Listen, man.
[16:19] Speaker 1: Don't waste the Diet Dr. Pepper. Dog shit going everywhere.
[16:22] Speaker 1: I'm in that motherfucker, dog. That's the DDP. Crying, laughing.
[16:26] Speaker 1: And you better not look at me in the locker room.
[16:28] Speaker 1: You're going to get in trouble. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,
[16:30] Speaker 1: because you look at me, I'm laughing.
[16:31] Speaker 3: You with him. You with him.
[16:31] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to get you in trouble. He hated you. Yes,
[16:34] Speaker 1: I'm going to get you in trouble. Hey, don't look
[16:35] Speaker 1: at him. Don't look at him. Don't sit beside him.
[16:37] Speaker 1: You better not. You better not because I'm going to
[16:39] Speaker 1: tap you. You sit beside me. I'm going to tap you.
[16:41] Speaker 4: You're in Ms.
[16:41] Speaker 3: Gardner's class.
[16:42] Speaker 1: Kenyon.
[16:43] Speaker 3: Yes.
[16:44] Speaker 1: Kenyon. Problem child. Absolutely. Office now. Yes, absolutely. The tap
[16:50] Speaker 1: and the lean back. The tap and the lean. I
[16:52] Speaker 1: ain't with me. Wait, dawg. So I'm going to say
[16:56] Speaker 1: something that ain't nobody else going to hear, dog, and
[16:58] Speaker 1: he going to look at you like. You point. Look,
[17:00] Speaker 1: that was him. No, no, no. He going to look
[17:02] Speaker 1: at you. I'm going to look this way. Dog, listen, man.
[17:06] Speaker 1: This man used to, dog. He messed with Ryan Fletcher
[17:11] Speaker 1: one day, dog. He fucking with Fletch.
[17:13] Speaker 3: I remember Fletch.
[17:14] Speaker 1: Man, Fletch went in there and knocked the bathroom stall
[17:17] Speaker 1: door off the hinges. I went in that motherfucker, I
[17:21] Speaker 1: looked at that bitch, hugged her, stood up, drinking that soda,
[17:23] Speaker 1: I went out to lock him up, I said, you
[17:24] Speaker 1: probably don't want to fuck with Fletch today. This man
[17:30] Speaker 1: done dismantled this goddamn stall in here, man.
[17:34] Speaker 3: Somebody can take, some of them can take us on camp.
[17:37] Speaker 1: Once approved, not always, man. No, this is four years.
[17:40] Speaker 1: This is like freshman year to senior year of him
[17:43] Speaker 1: riding the shit out of Fletch. You said something when
[17:47] Speaker 1: you was explaining. You said this era's soft, right?
[17:50] Speaker 2: I said that's what the mentality is about this era.
[17:53] Speaker 2: People say that this.
[17:54] Speaker 3: Era is soft.
[17:54] Speaker 1: A lot of people say it. When they say soft,
[17:57] Speaker 1: what do they actually mean exactly? Just the flop. I can...
[18:02] Speaker 1: You want me to tell you? Uh-huh. The flopping.
[18:05] Speaker 3: The fashion.
[18:05] Speaker 1: For one. Uh-huh. The fact that they call this shit
[18:08] Speaker 1: for two.
[18:09] Speaker 3: The fashion.
[18:10] Speaker 1: The fashion. Buddy, buddy, they point to. Because the refs
[18:13] Speaker 1: call it flopping. Okay. For one. It just.
[18:17] Speaker 3: They....
[18:19] Speaker 1: Since the whole freedom of movement thing came into play, right? Mm-hmm.
[18:22] Speaker 1: We were still a part of the league then. Mm-hmm.
[18:26] Speaker 1: They've taken that to the next level. You know how
[18:31] Speaker 1: we used to be like, God damn, there ain't no foul.
[18:32] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
[18:34] Speaker 1: It is so bad now.
[18:36] Speaker 3: Automatic now.
[18:36] Speaker 1: Right? Okay, the problem with that is, is... Because it
[18:42] Speaker 1: fucked up the movement of the game. Free throws and
[18:44] Speaker 1: a foul says a different thing. It probably does.
[18:47] Speaker 3: Because it's coming from a league thing. You know the
[18:50] Speaker 3: league can go through.
[18:50] Speaker 1: So what do you mean?
[18:51] Speaker 3: Saying we're going to call more fouls the first half
[18:54] Speaker 3: of the season than we are going to second half
[18:55] Speaker 3: because we want to implement this new rule. We're going
[18:58] Speaker 3: to now make that. They can do those things.
[19:01] Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is. So what does the free
[19:03] Speaker 1: throw say? For the 2020s, they're averaging 22 free throws
[19:08] Speaker 1: a game. Okay.
[19:09] Speaker 3: In our era.
[19:11] Speaker 6: Our era, the 10, the 2000s, we were averaging 25.
[19:15] Speaker 1: Okay, it was more physical. The 90s, I mean the 80s.
[19:20] Speaker 6: So they blew the whistle more. The 80s, they averaged
[19:24] Speaker 6: 29 free throws a game. See, so these tough eras
[19:27] Speaker 6: that they're talking.
[19:28] Speaker 1: About, they're blowing the whistle.
[19:30] Speaker 3: But why? Because we were actually going to the lane.
[19:33] Speaker 3: We were actually having contact.
[19:35] Speaker 1: The best contact. No, no. And so the three ball.
[19:38] Speaker 1: And they're shooting more threes. They're shooting more threes. So
[19:40] Speaker 1: now there's no. That's why it's less free throw.
[19:44] Speaker 6: Yeah, but when people talk about, oh, they just call
[19:47] Speaker 6: a whistle and these guys average more free throws, like, no.
[19:49] Speaker 1: I don't think that's what he's saying. They don't average
[19:53] Speaker 1: more free throws, but they shoot more threes, and it's
[19:56] Speaker 1: just the way that the game has been... We like
[20:01] Speaker 1: the freedom of the game, and it's like It's too
[20:06] Speaker 1: much that the whistle is blowing on bullshit. Yes. God damn,
[20:10] Speaker 1: let these dudes play. And then you miss the fucking
[20:12] Speaker 1: obvious fouls, right? So it's that. That's the frustration part
[20:16] Speaker 1: from guys who, like, we play, we know the game,
[20:18] Speaker 1: we watch, we want to enjoy the game. The fans
[20:21] Speaker 1: want to enjoy the game. The fans that have been
[20:23] Speaker 1: watching the game for a long time be like, damn,
[20:25] Speaker 1: let them play.
[20:26] Speaker 3: Let them play.
[20:26] Speaker 1: Right? So, and the flopping aspect of it, for them
[20:30] Speaker 1: to have to implement fines for flopping says a lot.
[20:34] Speaker 1: But do you feel like guys weren't flopping in the 80s, 90s? Yes,
[20:36] Speaker 1: they didn't know how. They put one on Vlade Divac.
[20:40] Speaker 3: Gil was one of the first foul baiters.
[20:44] Speaker 1: Gil was a foul baiter. Like certain guys, yes.
[20:47] Speaker 3: You had to look at him in a different way.
[20:50] Speaker 3: What I'm saying is they had to look at you
[20:52] Speaker 3: a different way than everyone else because you were more
[20:54] Speaker 3: susceptible to getting fouled.
[20:56] Speaker 1: But the flop was this. Oh, you get, you strip you,
[21:01] Speaker 1: you get hit, you're not, that's the, when you go
[21:03] Speaker 1: to the band sometimes and you throw the ball up,
[21:06] Speaker 1: that's the flop that, it has gotten so out of control.
[21:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, Luka's looking for a call every time down.
[21:15] Speaker 1: Every time they drive, they think it's a foul. Hey, look, Joker,
[21:17] Speaker 1: every time, they're looking at the ref. Like, come on,
[21:19] Speaker 1: come on. Every time. It's like every time, bro. But Brian,
[21:22] Speaker 1: even Brian, you know better. Bro, you every, come on, bro.
[21:27] Speaker 1: You the one dude with the biggest body.
[21:29] Speaker 3: You got all this.
[21:30] Speaker 1: You to be the one like, hey, man, y'all can
[21:33] Speaker 1: foul me all day long. It's going to be a
[21:35] Speaker 1: long day.
[21:36] Speaker 3: I'm not even looking at the refs.
[21:37] Speaker 1: Gil, what was you taught to play through what? Play
[21:41] Speaker 1: through contact. Play through contact. They don't do that. Because
[21:46] Speaker 1: I know you're going to call it. See, that's the problem.
[21:47] Speaker 3: If we go to the gym and we say, no calls.
[21:49] Speaker 3: Then we're going to play basketball.
[21:51] Speaker 1: We're going to play ball.
[21:52] Speaker 3: But then there's the dude that can't come because he's
[21:54] Speaker 3: got to call a foul.
[21:55] Speaker 6: See, that's the problem. But what I'm saying is. We
[21:57] Speaker 6: know they're going to call it. But that's why I'm
[21:59] Speaker 6: saying it's like you're penalizing the brilliancy of an offensive
[22:06] Speaker 6: player understanding rules in human behavior, right? So if I
[22:11] Speaker 6: know if Shad has to guard me, what does he
[22:15] Speaker 6: want to do with me, right?
[22:16] Speaker 3: Be physical.
[22:17] Speaker 1: Be physical. Yes. I know this.
[22:19] Speaker 6: So I'm going to always do something, get away from him,
[22:23] Speaker 6: get close, knowing he's going to chuck, then I'm going
[22:25] Speaker 6: to come up.
[22:26] Speaker 1: Okay.
[22:26] Speaker 3: But that's not the softness that we're talking about.
[22:28] Speaker 1: We're talking about you being soft. But I'm going to
[22:32] Speaker 1: foul bait him knowing he's going to try to use
[22:34] Speaker 1: physical strength against me. That's not you being soft. That's
[22:37] Speaker 1: not you being soft. It's you being smart.
[22:39] Speaker 3: You being soft is going and complaining about the.
[22:43] Speaker 1: Types of fouls that are happening. It's like, yeah, I'm
[22:45] Speaker 1: fouling you, my nigga. Cool. I'm fine. I'm fouling you.
[22:48] Speaker 1: God bless you. Like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,
[22:52] Speaker 1: I'm not fouling you in a distance where... But I'm saying,
[22:54] Speaker 1: let's say you're picking me up full court, right? You're
[22:57] Speaker 1: picking me up full court, right? My job is to
[23:00] Speaker 1: make him believe you fouling me. Absolutely. Come on! Come on, ref!
[23:03] Speaker 1: Come on, ref! Goddamn! Come on, ref! But, damn! Get
[23:06] Speaker 1: him off of you. But instead of just... Get him
[23:09] Speaker 1: off of you, right? But instead of you.
[23:12] Speaker 3: baiting me to foul instead of just making me foul you,
[23:15] Speaker 3: I'm calling you soft because you're looking for a foul.
[23:18] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
[23:18] Speaker 3: When I'm not fouling you. Because you're not playing ball.
[23:22] Speaker 3: You're not playing ball.
[23:24] Speaker 1: You're literally trying for five seconds to get me to
[23:26] Speaker 1: foul you, and I'm like, yo, can we play? I
[23:28] Speaker 1: want your big ass out. I'm like, can we play?
[23:30] Speaker 1: It's no different than I'm pumped. So, yeah, so if
[23:32] Speaker 1: you got a pump fake. I got you out of
[23:33] Speaker 1: the play. If you got a pump fake, dummy. Yeah.
[23:35] Speaker 1: You're going to use it. Yes. Right? So that's the
[23:37] Speaker 1: same thing with him playing a deal. So you're going
[23:39] Speaker 1: to use what you have to your advantage to get
[23:41] Speaker 1: me off of you. But if I ain't going for it.
[23:43] Speaker 1: If I ain't going for it, so what? Going down
[23:44] Speaker 1: the court, I'm playing good deal. You just, ah! Every time.
[23:47] Speaker 1: Come on, dude. He's going to be pissed. But then
[23:49] Speaker 1: I'm going to fire you for real. Yeah, for sure.
[23:50] Speaker 4: No, no, no.
[23:51] Speaker 1: I'm going to foul.
[23:52] Speaker 2: You for real.
[23:52] Speaker 1: I'm going to foul you for real. But then you
[23:54] Speaker 1: did everything I wanted anyway. No, you didn't, because I
[23:56] Speaker 1: fouled you a lot harder than you wanted. Exactly. I
[23:58] Speaker 1: made it hurt. I made it hurt.
[24:00] Speaker 3: And we looking at you like, man, get your punk
[24:02] Speaker 3: ass up.
[24:03] Speaker 1: I'm going to look at him. I'm going to raise
[24:04] Speaker 1: my hand better than that.
[24:05] Speaker 3: That's a foul.
[24:05] Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, but I got the foul
[24:08] Speaker 1: on him. You did your job. I got the job.
[24:10] Speaker 3: But guess what?
[24:11] Speaker 6: I'm proud of the foul. But as a referee, if
[24:14] Speaker 6: you know I'm doing that, then why? Your job is
[24:20] Speaker 6: to not fall for it.
[24:20] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Right?
[24:22] Speaker 6: So I've seen Tony. I've seen Tony when I was
[24:25] Speaker 6: with Orlando.
[24:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, 1,000%. Right?
[24:27] Speaker 6: I watched Tony. Tony made Dwight play actual basketball. Because,
[24:33] Speaker 6: you know, Dwight's going to play physical and try to
[24:36] Speaker 6: use the bump so he can go up.
[24:38] Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm not calling it. Don't look.
[24:41] Speaker 3: Hey, don't call. No.
[24:41] Speaker 1: No.
[24:42] Speaker 6: You want to use brute strength, I'm going to let
[24:45] Speaker 6: him play defense with brute strength. Use skill, then if
[24:49] Speaker 6: he fouls you, I will call it. If you're going
[24:50] Speaker 6: to try to use physical strength to try to push
[24:53] Speaker 6: through him, I'm going to.
[24:54] Speaker 1: Let him use physical strength to stop you. So I'm
[24:56] Speaker 1: not calling shit.
[24:57] Speaker 6: Learn how to play basketball. And he'll just be like this.
[25:00] Speaker 6: He won't even have this.
[25:00] Speaker 3: He'll just.
[25:01] Speaker 1: You're talking about Tony Brothers, right? Tony Brothers. Okay, just
[25:03] Speaker 1: for the fans out there.
[25:04] Speaker 6: So now I'm watching Dwight get frustrated. Now he has
[25:10] Speaker 6: to learn how to play like, I can't just go through.
[25:14] Speaker 3: But here's my thing.
[25:15] Speaker 1: Like, he's sitting there playing that, and it's like, okay,
[25:17] Speaker 1: there you go. Now that's a foul.
[25:19] Speaker 3: We have our perspective as players, right? So we sit here.
[25:22] Speaker 3: We can say they're soft or they're not. You have
[25:25] Speaker 3: your argument. We got ours, right? But the fans, what
[25:28] Speaker 3: are the fans saying? Are the fans saying, man, they
[25:31] Speaker 3: soft as hell out there. Why y'all playing so soft?
[25:35] Speaker 3: Why is it that a big man can be down
[25:37] Speaker 3: there and get fouled two dribbles into his move? Because what,
[25:42] Speaker 3: they don't know how to play defense or is it
[25:44] Speaker 3: too soft? Why is you falling all over the floor?
[25:46] Speaker 1: Like you being pushed down, you 300 pounds.
[25:50] Speaker 2: I think fans complain a lot about foul baiting just
[25:52] Speaker 2: because it slows the game down. But when you look
[25:54] Speaker 2: at guys like James Harden, guys like Trey Young, who
[25:56] Speaker 2: are considered the biggest foul baiters, defenders.
[25:58] Speaker 1: There, like I appreciate the way.
[26:00] Speaker 2: I appreciate the way that James can manipulate the.
[26:03] Speaker 3: Rules to get fouled.
[26:04] Speaker 1: I get it.
[26:04] Speaker 3: But we talking about soft, though. We not even talking
[26:07] Speaker 3: about the... But what you talking about, you have a
[26:10] Speaker 3: valid point. We talking about Trae Young can't be a
[26:13] Speaker 3: soft player if he likes to go in and take contact.
[26:18] Speaker 3: So if you're soft, it means that you're... Like MPJ,
[26:22] Speaker 3: Michael Porter Jr.
[26:24] Speaker 1: He will be considered soft.
[26:25] Speaker 3: Because he has a size and a strength and an
[26:27] Speaker 3: advantage that he doesn't use.
[26:29] Speaker 1: Yes.
[26:30] Speaker 3: So it wouldn't be about fouling more than it is
[26:32] Speaker 3: about you're not even going to get fouled.
[26:36] Speaker 6: I think back when we called soft, it was guys
[26:38] Speaker 6: who jumped away from contact.
[26:42] Speaker 1: They were scared to get hit. I'm doing everything but
[26:45] Speaker 1: get hit. I'm coming off two feet.
[26:48] Speaker 3: You jump.
[26:49] Speaker 1: Instead of jumping into you, I'm fading away. Like, come on, man.
[26:51] Speaker 1: Stop being soft, man. Get that foul.
[26:52] Speaker 3: Like, you know what I mean?
[26:53] Speaker 1: Fast break, keying down there. I'm going to pull it out.
[26:56] Speaker 1: Or I'm going to throw a floater, and you don't
[27:01] Speaker 1: even float. Right? Because you don't want to get hit.
[27:04] Speaker 1: That was considered, like, what we called soft.
[27:08] Speaker 6: Like, your ability, you're not using. Like, you're scared to
[27:13] Speaker 6: do stuff.
[27:13] Speaker 3: So think about what we're saying. He's saying the three-pointers.
[27:16] Speaker 3: We shoot way too many three-pointers, right? That means we're
[27:19] Speaker 3: not going to the lane. So we can't actually go
[27:22] Speaker 3: create contact because we shoot more threes. That would automatically
[27:26] Speaker 3: mean that you're a lot more softer than we were
[27:29] Speaker 3: because you'd rather shoot a three than go get contact
[27:31] Speaker 3: at the rim.
[27:31] Speaker 1: But why are you shooting a three? Because it's worth three.
[27:34] Speaker 3: We know it's worth three. But you shoot 22% and
[27:37] Speaker 3: that's worth three.
[27:39] Speaker 1: I was watching the game last night. Bradley Beal had
[27:41] Speaker 1: a one-on-one on the break.
[27:43] Speaker 3: Pull it up.
[27:44] Speaker 1: Shot the three? Yeah. I was like, wow. That's sub.
[27:48] Speaker 3: Like, sub.
[27:49] Speaker 1: As soon as the ball got out of bounds, sub.
[27:51] Speaker 1: He looking over. You. I got you.
[27:53] Speaker 3: That was cool.
[27:54] Speaker 6: Now, my thing is, even with the threes, I don't
[27:56] Speaker 6: know who's calculating and how it made sense, right? Because
[28:03] Speaker 6: there was no threes in the 60s, but they averaged
[28:06] Speaker 6: 116 points a game.
[28:11] Speaker 1: Playing fast as hell. Had to be.
[28:13] Speaker 6: Like, I mean, so whatever your statistics, it doesn't make
[28:18] Speaker 6: sense because when there was no three, they averaged more
[28:21] Speaker 6: points than you guys. And then it was only fucking
[28:24] Speaker 6: layups and mid-range.
[28:26] Speaker 3: Hmm. Right?
[28:28] Speaker 1: It's only layups and mid-range. So you're averaging 115 as
[28:32] Speaker 1: a league. It's hard to say what you're saying actually
[28:36] Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I get it, but it's... Yeah. I
[28:44] Speaker 1: got a text this morning from a prominent trainer that
[28:47] Speaker 1: trains a lot of prominent players. Okay.
[28:50] Speaker 3: Half of the battle is playing hard. A lot of
[28:52] Speaker 3: dudes be out here just playing cool. Shit is whack
[28:55] Speaker 3: and they lazy as fuck. Move your body hard and
[28:59] Speaker 3: explosively while being under control with it. Offensively, guys have
[29:03] Speaker 3: to feel like guarding you is going to hurt and
[29:05] Speaker 3: it's going to be a long night. This is in
[29:07] Speaker 3: reference to guys not only being lazy, but being soft.
[29:11] Speaker 1: Okay.
[29:12] Speaker 3: Prominent trend.
[29:12] Speaker 1: Unnamed source. Unnamed source.
[29:14] Speaker 3: Even A. Smith.
[29:16] Speaker 1: You heard the dude? Nah, fuck that. His name. You
[29:18] Speaker 1: know what it is, too? Tell us your source shot.
[29:21] Speaker 3: I don't see.
[29:22] Speaker 1: Very many tacticians in the NBA, right? Explain to the folks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[29:33] Speaker 6: Let's say, you know, Kenyon, you're down there. You got
[29:35] Speaker 6: two fouls, right? I don't see players like Kenyon has two.
[29:41] Speaker 6: They're keeping him in. Let's get him out of this quarter.
[29:46] Speaker 6: Because if he gets his third foul in the first quarter,
[29:50] Speaker 6: we don't have to see him again until the third.
[29:52] Speaker 3: Third quarter, facts.
[29:53] Speaker 1: Right?
[29:54] Speaker 6: So that means he gets out now, he's not in
[29:57] Speaker 6: here the second quarter to affect the game defensively, and
[30:00] Speaker 6: then we'll see him in the third. They'll let you
[30:04] Speaker 6: play the whole goddamn half and don't even attack you.
[30:07] Speaker 1: At all. Got off clean. Like, let's say I took
[30:11] Speaker 1: you to the lane two times, made layups, and then
[30:13] Speaker 1: you back up. I'm not shooting a fucking jump shot.
[30:17] Speaker 1: Fuck you. I'm coming up. What's happening? They're shooting it
[30:20] Speaker 1: right away. They're going to chuck it. Why are you belting?
[30:23] Speaker 6: He literally can't guard you. Why are you guarding yourself?
[30:26] Speaker 6: Why are you settling?
[30:28] Speaker 3: Is it coaching? Is it training?
[30:29] Speaker 1: No, that's a player. Is it?
[30:30] Speaker 3: That's a player. What if he don't know?
[30:32] Speaker 1: That's it. What if he don't know? Again, he's not
[30:34] Speaker 1: a tactician.
[30:36] Speaker 3: Don't he have to be taught that at some point
[30:38] Speaker 3: in his career? That's called studying. That's what I'm saying.
[30:41] Speaker 3: You have to either teach yourself or somebody teach you.
[30:44] Speaker 3: That when you got two in a row, With going
[30:47] Speaker 3: at them, your third one cannot be a settled jumper.
[30:49] Speaker 1: He can't shoot no jumper. Somebody got to tell you that.
[30:52] Speaker 1: You know, jumper, how you doing?
[30:54] Speaker 3: You better make up, you better lay up. Right, once
[30:56] Speaker 3: you tell him and he don't know, he do it again,
[30:58] Speaker 3: then you know what you're dealing with. But if you
[31:00] Speaker 3: tell him and he go do it that third time,
[31:02] Speaker 3: he attack again, you're like, all right, that's what you're
[31:05] Speaker 3: supposed to do, young fella.
[31:06] Speaker 1: Don't bail him out. Don't bail him out.
[31:09] Speaker 6: There'd be an impunity with eight minutes left shooting three.
[31:11] Speaker 1: How? What's wrong with you? Like, what? You're in the penalty.
[31:15] Speaker 1: That means they can't touch you.
[31:17] Speaker 3: Can't touch me.
[31:18] Speaker 1: Right?
[31:18] Speaker 6: They touch you at the 94.
[31:20] Speaker 1: They touch you picking you up.
[31:22] Speaker 3: Free throw.
[31:22] Speaker 1: You get to walk down there.
[31:23] Speaker 3: Ultra aggressive. You're being ultra aggressive. I'm trying. That's when
[31:28] Speaker 3: you do the baiting.
[31:29] Speaker 1: That's when you bait. That's when you bait. When you
[31:31] Speaker 1: in the bonus. Yes. I'm baiting you like crazy. And
[31:34] Speaker 1: I wouldn't even call you soft because I know the circumstances.
[31:37] Speaker 3: It's penalty. He can't touch you. I'm about to make sure.
[31:40] Speaker 1: He get his third foul. And whoever he check in,
[31:43] Speaker 1: going to get their first. Like, coming off of down screen, remember,
[31:46] Speaker 1: come on, I'm going to fake this way, grab, grab. Hey!
[31:51] Speaker 3: Run him into the screen.
[31:52] Speaker 1: As soon as I start shooting, what they do? Like,
[31:55] Speaker 1: I learned that from seeing Reggie, learned that from... A rip?
[32:00] Speaker 1: A rip, right? You're sitting there holding on, and he's screaming, hey.
[32:03] Speaker 1: Then as soon as he said you do this, take off. Like,
[32:06] Speaker 1: God damn it. You're supposed to be connected to the hip.
[32:10] Speaker 1: You're connected to the nigga's feet. Your hands off.
[32:12] Speaker 3: Take off, right?
[32:13] Speaker 1: And that was the game right there, right? If he
[32:16] Speaker 1: can get that scream of holding... Got one on you.
[32:20] Speaker 1: I'm shooting free throws. I got one on you. But
[32:21] Speaker 1: they're too busy just chucking. Everybody want to chuck side
[32:24] Speaker 1: threes like, yo. Yes.
[32:25] Speaker 6: This man got two fouls, y'all, and a penalty. You
[32:28] Speaker 6: got six fouls, man. Attack, go to the... What are
[32:32] Speaker 6: y'all doing?
[32:33] Speaker 1: Bro. Free throws stop the clock. Absolutely.
[32:36] Speaker 3: That's the beautiful thing about basketball that we all know,
[32:39] Speaker 3: and that's why I always love watching you play, because
[32:41] Speaker 3: as a tactician, the real hoopers don't know you use
[32:45] Speaker 3: your ability with your mind at the same time. And
[32:48] Speaker 3: when you do that, you get advantages on the court
[32:50] Speaker 3: where it's like, man, where we at? I got one
[32:53] Speaker 3: more foul for the penalty, but we're about to run what?
[32:56] Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to run. Okay, I'm going to
[32:57] Speaker 3: get off this. I'm going to get this quick foul.
[32:59] Speaker 3: We're going to not only go on the penalty. He
[33:00] Speaker 3: got two fouls. He can't afford to get no more fouls.
[33:03] Speaker 3: None of the team can foul me anymore. Kenyon got three.
[33:07] Speaker 1: He can't play. Now we're thinking of the game totally different.
[33:11] Speaker 1: How many players are playing like that.
[33:12] Speaker 3: Right now that we see go in the game and look,
[33:15] Speaker 3: time and score?
[33:17] Speaker 1: Two for one. 35 seconds on the clock. Yeah. Let
[33:20] Speaker 1: me make it happen. Well, I get a foul.
[33:22] Speaker 3: Not a quick shot, but a strategic shot where I
[33:26] Speaker 3: get a foul, get two free throws, they go down,
[33:29] Speaker 3: and we get the ball back again.
[33:30] Speaker 1: I don't know when the last time I seen this move.
[33:36] Speaker 6: Let's say Joker has two fouls in the first. and
[33:39] Speaker 6: he's running, and it's on a fast break, and he's
[33:41] Speaker 6: sitting there running like this. I've never seen one person say,
[33:45] Speaker 6: you got two fouls, hey ref, ref, ref.
[33:48] Speaker 1: And then stop right in front of you. They tried. Boom!
[33:51] Speaker 3: They tried.
[33:52] Speaker 1: They tried. I haven't seen it.
[33:54] Speaker 3: You can do an attack all the time.
[33:57] Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Come on down here. Out three, get
[34:01] Speaker 1: your big ass out. So Houston played New York, was
[34:04] Speaker 1: it yesterday? Mm-hmm. So they was going at Cat. Cat
[34:10] Speaker 1: had four. He had picked up three together. He got
[34:13] Speaker 1: his fourth. Well, they had to have OG and Anobi
[34:18] Speaker 1: guarding Sangoon because they was trying to listen. Wherever Carl
[34:21] Speaker 1: Anthony Towns' ass was, they were hunting his ass out.
[34:23] Speaker 3: With Sangoon?
[34:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, wherever he was, they was hunting his ass out
[34:30] Speaker 1: on the defensive end. I'm like, yo. But that's how
[34:32] Speaker 1: you're supposed to do it. Right, you ain't supposed to
[34:36] Speaker 1: do it. Like, remember, we ain't a penalty man. Look,
[34:39] Speaker 1: this is how the early 2000s was.
[34:44] Speaker 6: That sixth foul come up there, and there's four minutes left,
[34:49] Speaker 6: everybody backdoored.
[34:50] Speaker 1: Because you know, back then, hey, anybody cut across, ride
[34:53] Speaker 1: them up, chuck them. Oh, yeah, he about to chuck them.
[34:56] Speaker 1: I remember, I remember. Ah! And you flopped there. Shoot
[35:00] Speaker 1: two free throws. That's what you flop on now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No,
[35:04] Speaker 1: I wasn't wasting no.
[35:05] Speaker 3: You wasn't no Tucker?
[35:06] Speaker 1: No, no. Everybody be mad. Hey, look, you know. I'm
[35:08] Speaker 1: not wasting no. I'm not wasting no fouls on no chess.
[35:11] Speaker 6: Antoine Jameson about to get him a little post up.
[35:14] Speaker 6: I done ran until somebody got my little foul.
[35:17] Speaker 3: And then he ain't got the ball no more.
[35:18] Speaker 1: Now I get two free throws. Yes, sir. My bad, bro.
[35:21] Speaker 1: My bad, bro. A little back cut. You don't pass
[35:23] Speaker 1: the ball. A little back cut. You know what I'm saying?
[35:25] Speaker 1: I'm not getting it.
[35:28] Speaker 3: I used to waste them all the time.
[35:31] Speaker 1: I'm on the ball too much. I used to love
[35:33] Speaker 1: a good chucker. I can't waste them. I was always
[35:36] Speaker 1: help side. I love a motherfucker running through the game.
[35:39] Speaker 1: I used to. I put my hand, but I'm not.
[35:41] Speaker 3: Going to leave.
[35:42] Speaker 1: Unless I really don't fuck with you. What if it
[35:45] Speaker 1: was in the scouting report? You got to chuck this guy. No,
[35:48] Speaker 1: I'm not going to chuck you. I'll reroute you. We
[35:50] Speaker 1: had certain guys. I'll reroute you. We had certain guys.
[35:53] Speaker 1: Smart defenders, like really good defenders who needed their six fouls.
[35:57] Speaker 1: They not wasting it. Yeah, I'm not going to waste
[35:58] Speaker 1: it on them.
[35:58] Speaker 3: But I'm going to ask it. Like some guys, like
[36:00] Speaker 3: Ray Allen in Seattle.
[36:02] Speaker 1: We're running around. I'm like, I need you to chuck him, bro.
[36:06] Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying.
[36:07] Speaker 3: Throw him down.
[36:07] Speaker 1: But you was coming up. I get his weight. You
[36:09] Speaker 1: didn't care about your six fouls. No, I was paying mine. See,
[36:12] Speaker 1: this is what I would do instead of that. Like,
[36:14] Speaker 1: just saying, I would probably be, well, I couldn't, if
[36:18] Speaker 1: Rashard was there, I couldn't lose.
[36:20] Speaker 3: You was going Rashard?
[36:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. So, yeah, so if Ray come off my side,
[36:23] Speaker 1: we just switch.
[36:24] Speaker 3: On the top side.
[36:25] Speaker 1: Either way, I'm just going to switch.
[36:27] Speaker 3: You're going to be the high big. Yeah.
[36:28] Speaker 1: Either way, I'm going to invert it. Yep. If they
[36:31] Speaker 1: start to play, if I know where it is, I'm
[36:32] Speaker 1: going to invert it.
[36:34] Speaker 3: So I'm sending them to you.
[36:35] Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you to bring them my way.
[36:37] Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you to bring them my way, right?
[36:40] Speaker 1: But if I'm off the ball, if I'm guarding, just
[36:42] Speaker 1: say if I was guarding Reggie at the four and
[36:45] Speaker 1: he's setting it, I'm not even going to guard. I
[36:48] Speaker 1: ain't nowhere near Reggie. I'm going to get in Ray
[36:51] Speaker 1: Allen's way. I'm not going to chuck him. You're not
[36:53] Speaker 1: going to chuck him. I'm going to get in his way.
[36:55] Speaker 1: I'm going to make him go around and slow him up, right?
[36:58] Speaker 1: So instead of me wasting my fire and him hitting
[37:00] Speaker 1: him in his chest and him fucking falling out, I'm
[37:02] Speaker 1: just going to get in his way and let you
[37:06] Speaker 1: catch up to him.
[37:07] Speaker 3: Was him leaving his guy available at that point.
[37:12] Speaker 1: There was only a few. It was him, Ben Wallace, Reggie.
[37:16] Speaker 1: At the five, Dwight.
[37:18] Speaker 3: Dwight. The other four.
[37:21] Speaker 6: There was only a couple fours that had the ability
[37:24] Speaker 6: to just reroute you.
[37:25] Speaker 1: Like, ah, come on. I'm going to go to the
[37:27] Speaker 1: other side.
[37:28] Speaker 6: Like, you'll see Brendan Haywood. You're like, no, not his side.
[37:31] Speaker 1: We don't see today at all no chucking.
[37:34] Speaker 3: Nobody cut.
[37:35] Speaker 1: Nobody cut.
[37:36] Speaker 3: It didn't even screen, cross screen. We don't see no
[37:40] Speaker 3: cross screens, no diagonal screens, no none of that. Remember,
[37:44] Speaker 3: we used to have to chuck the big when we
[37:46] Speaker 3: did the cross screen or.
[37:48] Speaker 1: The diagonal screen. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's
[37:51] Speaker 1: how you got a charge on the big. I got
[37:53] Speaker 1: my face boom. All that, yeah. Yes.
[37:57] Speaker 3: I started doing this.
[37:58] Speaker 6: They'd be like, all right, go set the cross.
[38:02] Speaker 1: Screen from Kenyon. No. No, see, the thing is, see, no, no, see, no, see,
[38:07] Speaker 1: the thing is, no, no, no, see, see, all wrong, see.
[38:11] Speaker 3: You get all wrong, brother.
[38:13] Speaker 1: I'm finna tell you how I guard across screens, so
[38:15] Speaker 1: everybody else guard, they meet shit and ride your high, no.
[38:19] Speaker 1: I don't even worry, if you're setting the screen, I
[38:20] Speaker 1: don't even worry about you. I turn my back to you.
[38:26] Speaker 1: Turn my back to the screener. Whichever way the guy go,
[38:29] Speaker 1: I just fucking go with him. Or you go ride
[38:30] Speaker 1: him over. If he go low, I go low. If
[38:32] Speaker 1: he go high, I go high. Put my back to
[38:35] Speaker 1: the screen. How far can you screen me? You keep pushing,
[38:39] Speaker 1: you're going to run into your own man because I'm
[38:41] Speaker 1: going with him. Either way it goes. I just turn
[38:43] Speaker 1: my back to the screen, wherever the screen is. He
[38:45] Speaker 1: go high, I go high with him. He go low,
[38:48] Speaker 1: I go with him. Like, I'm not... meet you, go
[38:51] Speaker 1: beat you on the other side, now you got spell, no.
[38:54] Speaker 1: I'm keeping my body.
[38:56] Speaker 3: On your body. That's what we were taught.
[38:59] Speaker 1: They connected. But that's, I do it all the time.
[39:02] Speaker 1: He wasn't going 2-9. Oh, he stayed connected. He stayed connected.
[39:06] Speaker 1: Everybody else is, the big is trying to help you.
[39:08] Speaker 1: I know fucking cross-screen coverage. No. Cross-screen coverage, I got it.
[39:10] Speaker 3: That's why we always did Nene. We always got Nene
[39:14] Speaker 3: with the cross. He was the one always.
[39:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, because they did the shit, the traditional meet you
[39:20] Speaker 1: and you're supposed to meet the guy on the other side. No,
[39:22] Speaker 1: I'm not getting my body off of Kevin Garnett. Just
[39:26] Speaker 1: not going to do it. I'm not letting you get
[39:27] Speaker 1: into my body and let fucking Eldon Brand get a
[39:30] Speaker 1: deep post.
[39:30] Speaker 3: Up on me.
[39:31] Speaker 1: No, hell no. Come on, man.
[39:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, but in certain ways you have to guard certain guys.
[39:35] Speaker 1: Zach, I wish I would let Z-Bo get a duck
[39:39] Speaker 1: in right by the... I have an advantage over Zach.
[39:42] Speaker 1: He's a hell of a basketball player, but I have
[39:44] Speaker 1: a quickness and athletic advantage over Zach. If I let him,
[39:48] Speaker 1: he's strong as hell. If I let him meet me
[39:50] Speaker 1: and seal me right up, I'm supposed to meet him
[39:52] Speaker 1: on the other side. He's sealed right up under the basket.
[39:54] Speaker 1: He's just going to fucking do this.
[39:56] Speaker 3: I'm dead.
[39:57] Speaker 1: Because they're running the play one way. Because they're not
[40:01] Speaker 1: running it the other way. They're going so he can
[40:03] Speaker 1: get that motherfucker and go quick. I'm not going to
[40:06] Speaker 1: meet him on the other side so he can seal
[40:07] Speaker 1: me up underneath the basket. I'm dead meat. I'm going
[40:10] Speaker 1: to stand to his body. I'm going to meet the
[40:12] Speaker 1: screen with my back. Because if you hit me, it's
[40:15] Speaker 1: an illegal screen. Dude, unless I don't, I'm going to lay,
[40:20] Speaker 1: if you do it too much, I'll turn around now.
[40:24] Speaker 1: That's the last thing you want. It's for me to
[40:27] Speaker 1: meet you with, like, yeah. That's real.
[40:31] Speaker 2: Let's keep this thing moving, but I always love the
[40:33] Speaker 2: real basketball talk. We talk about it.
[40:37] Speaker 1: Every now and again.
[40:39] Speaker 2: No, we do it consistently here in the arena, but
[40:41] Speaker 2: let's head over. talk about some stuff going on with
[40:46] Speaker 2: the Sixers. So nine-time All-Star Paul George made his debut
[40:48] Speaker 2: with the Sixers last night in a loss against the
[40:51] Speaker 2: Suns after missing the first five games of the season
[40:53] Speaker 2: while recovering from a bone bruise he suffered. in the preseason. So,
[40:57] Speaker 2: PG will also make his return to L.A. on Wednesday
[41:00] Speaker 2: as he takes on the Clippers for the first time
[41:01] Speaker 2: since dipping to Philly in free agency this summer. But,
[41:05] Speaker 2: against the Suns, PG scored 15 points, going 4 for
[41:08] Speaker 2: 14 from the field, including 1 for 7 from 3,
[41:10] Speaker 2: also added 5 rebounds and 4 assists, 32 minutes of action.
[41:13] Speaker 2: While PG struggled to get it going, Tyrese Maxey had
[41:16] Speaker 2: another big night celebrating his 24th birthday by dropping 32
[41:20] Speaker 2: points on 12 for 21 shooting and 41 minutes of action. But,
[41:24] Speaker 2: we gotta go to a Questionable moment at the end
[41:26] Speaker 2: of the game. So after KD hit the go-ahead bucket
[41:29] Speaker 2: with 24 seconds remaining, PG took the ball off the
[41:32] Speaker 2: court and ended up trying to take the game-tying shot.
[41:36] Speaker 2: Long two, even though Maxie had the hot hand last
[41:39] Speaker 2: night and is the team's number one option until B's return.
[41:42] Speaker 2: Long rebound came out to Maxie, but he didn't get
[41:44] Speaker 2: a shot off in time either way. So some of
[41:47] Speaker 2: you may recall PG said the hot hand would be
[41:50] Speaker 2: taking the last shot on an episode of Podcast P
[41:52] Speaker 2: with Chet Holmgren this past summer.
[41:55] Speaker 1: Let me try and fuck up y'all chemistry.
[41:57] Speaker 3: Y'all need a bucket, end of the game.
[41:58] Speaker 1: Who's shooting the game-winning shot?
[42:00] Speaker 3: You or Joe?
[42:05] Speaker 1: That's funny. That's a Nick Nurse question.
[42:07] Speaker 3: I'm going to deflect that to Nick Nurse.
[42:09] Speaker 1: Okay. That's a PR answer. That's hilarious. Whoever Nick Nurse
[42:13] Speaker 1: draw it up for, we're going to get the best shot.
[42:16] Speaker 3: Okay.
[42:17] Speaker 1: That's a good answer.
[42:18] Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to fuck up the chemistry. If
[42:19] Speaker 3: it's not you, are you going to be salty?
[42:21] Speaker 1: Nah. Nah, nah, nah.
[42:23] Speaker 3: I've dealt with that. You know what I mean? I've
[42:25] Speaker 3: been on teams with other superstars and, you know, we
[42:29] Speaker 3: live and die with whoever takes it.
[42:30] Speaker 1: That's facts, though. That's facts. Okay.
[42:33] Speaker 2: Let's go to our resident expert on all things Sixers,
[42:36] Speaker 2: Sixers related. Kenyon, are you okay with PG taking a
[42:39] Speaker 2: shot in that situation last night?
[42:40] Speaker 1: Nope. Not okay with it. Even though Tyrese Maxson just
[42:46] Speaker 1: missed a free throw. He went to the line, two
[42:48] Speaker 1: free throws. He missed the back end of it, which
[42:52] Speaker 1: would have put him up one. But KD still did
[42:55] Speaker 1: what he did, so that would have been down one. Yeah,
[43:01] Speaker 1: I think PG should have deferred in that moment Tyrese
[43:05] Speaker 1: has been in the rhythm. He's been out there longer.
[43:08] Speaker 1: It's your first game back. I understand your mentality. I
[43:12] Speaker 1: understand who you are. But this wasn't the game to
[43:17] Speaker 1: be that hero. Your first game back. You didn't have
[43:22] Speaker 1: it going. It was 4-4-13 up to that point. 14
[43:27] Speaker 1: up to that point. What? Yeah.
[43:29] Speaker 2: 4-4-13 before taking that shot. Yeah, it was 4-4-13 before
[43:32] Speaker 2: he shot that.
[43:33] Speaker 1: So... You had good, and the thing is, you had
[43:37] Speaker 1: good looks on your misses. You had good looks. But
[43:45] Speaker 1: if you take that shot, if Tyrese is not there, yes.
[43:50] Speaker 1: You can't have Tyrese who's been in the rhythm and...
[43:55] Speaker 1: Since last year. Yeah, since last year, and he's been
[43:57] Speaker 1: there since day one of this year. Like I said,
[44:01] Speaker 1: I understand PG's mentality. But your basketball IQ has to
[44:10] Speaker 1: kick in in that moment and not your pride and ego.
[44:15] Speaker 1: And his pride and ego took over in that moment
[44:18] Speaker 1: instead of deferring to Tyrese Maxey. So I just, yeah,
[44:23] Speaker 1: I think Tyrese should have took the last shot. Do
[44:26] Speaker 1: you think Nick called it for PG? He didn't call
[44:28] Speaker 1: a timeout. Ah. He didn't call a timeout.
[44:31] Speaker 3: He brought it up to court and just made it.
[44:32] Speaker 1: Didn't come off of it. Yeah. Tyrese was hanging out
[44:35] Speaker 1: in the wing. Didn't call timeout. It wasn't drawn up.
[44:38] Speaker 3: I'm going to let you finish.
[44:39] Speaker 1: No, I'm going to say it wasn't drawn up. So
[44:42] Speaker 1: it wasn't. He made that decision not to run a
[44:44] Speaker 1: dribble handoff to Tyrese and let Tyrese have the top
[44:47] Speaker 1: of the floor and do what he do.
[44:49] Speaker 2: What did you think about PG taking that shot? Four
[44:52] Speaker 2: for 13 at that point. First game back.
[44:56] Speaker 1: In Phoenix. Hostile territory. Devin Booker. History there. Do you
[45:02] Speaker 1: agree with PG taking that shot and not letting Maxie
[45:04] Speaker 1: have it on his 23rd birthday? And I'm not going
[45:05] Speaker 1: to say. He had a good look at it. He
[45:09] Speaker 1: had a good look at it to tie it up, right?
[45:11] Speaker 1: If you're going to take that shot, I imagine you
[45:12] Speaker 1: would just go for the win. That was the tie.
[45:17] Speaker 1: He tried to tie it. If you're going to take that,
[45:19] Speaker 1: you might as well go for the fucking win, right?
[45:23] Speaker 1: Why tie it to go to overtime? So a lot
[45:27] Speaker 1: of that.
[45:28] Speaker 3: With that shot?
[45:28] Speaker 1: With that shot. It would have went to overtime. You
[45:32] Speaker 1: might as well go for the win. Yeah, you're going
[45:34] Speaker 1: for the tie, you're going for the win. In Phoenix?
[45:36] Speaker 1: Going for the win. You're going for the win, right?
[45:41] Speaker 3: No, I think Maxie would have went for the win.
[45:42] Speaker 1: He goddamn right Tyrese Rax would have shot the three.
[45:44] Speaker 3: I think he would have shot the three for sure.
[45:48] Speaker 1: For damn sure.
[45:50] Speaker 3: I'll go. I'll go.
[45:51] Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll wait for Gil and Debris, sir. For Statman. Yeah, Statman. Oh, no.
[45:56] Speaker 3: I know what he about to cook, though. When you
[45:59] Speaker 3: look at seniority, a certain time and place where you're
[46:04] Speaker 3: in certain year of your career where you have to
[46:08] Speaker 3: defer and you're being called OG now and they're the
[46:14] Speaker 3: young fellas and you've just been traded from a team,
[46:20] Speaker 3: going to a new team, they got superstars already. It
[46:26] Speaker 3: would have been great if PG would have made that
[46:27] Speaker 3: shot because it would have been a great start for him.
[46:29] Speaker 1: Right? Right.
[46:32] Speaker 3: But now it's like you missed that shot, and it's
[46:34] Speaker 3: like you got more pressure on you now because you
[46:37] Speaker 3: missed that shot.
[46:40] Speaker 1: Devil's advocate here. Even if he would have made it,
[46:42] Speaker 1: my thought process still would have been, damn, PG. Yeah.
[46:47] Speaker 1: First game back, bruh. I ain't going to even hold you.
[46:50] Speaker 3: But if we win and I hit that shot, I
[46:52] Speaker 3: think we feel good about me.
[46:54] Speaker 1: We feel good about me. But me watching the game
[46:58] Speaker 1: as a fan for Philly, my thought process when he
[47:02] Speaker 1: was bringing it up.
[47:03] Speaker 3: Was you should give it to him.
[47:05] Speaker 1: Yes. I understand that too. Even if he would have
[47:08] Speaker 1: made it and tied it and went to overtime with
[47:11] Speaker 1: that shot. I would have been like, damn, PG, still.
[47:14] Speaker 1: But it's expected, though.
[47:16] Speaker 3: If he make it, we go to overtime, it's like, okay, PG,
[47:18] Speaker 3: that's what we got you for.
[47:19] Speaker 1: No, I would have been like, why Tyrese Maxson didn't
[47:21] Speaker 1: shoot that bitch? Still. Even if he made it.
[47:25] Speaker 3: I think that's what's going through P-Head is I need
[47:28] Speaker 3: to show them that I'm here for a reason.
[47:30] Speaker 1: Last night wasn't the night.
[47:31] Speaker 3: And that's why it's sticky for them. Because if he
[47:35] Speaker 3: don't make them shots when it's supposed to be the night...
[47:37] Speaker 3: and he don't take the shot when it's not tonight.
[47:40] Speaker 1: Four-year, $ 212 million deal. It look nasty.
[47:42] Speaker 3: I'm with you, absolutely.
[47:44] Speaker 1: But I just, like I said, okay, you want to
[47:47] Speaker 1: do that tomorrow when you come here? Cool, you got
[47:51] Speaker 1: a game under your belt. Day one out the gate.
[47:54] Speaker 1: Out the gate. You ain't in no rhythm.
[47:56] Speaker 3: But it's just like a dude to check in. As
[47:58] Speaker 3: soon as you check in the game, you shoot your
[47:59] Speaker 3: first shot. You ain't been in 30 seconds. And everybody
[48:03] Speaker 3: on the bench like, God damn, are you.
[48:05] Speaker 1: Going to run down the court first? I'm watching the
[48:07] Speaker 1: Charlotte game the other day. Dude off the bench. The
[48:09] Speaker 1: announcer was like, and we haven't seen him yet this season.
[48:12] Speaker 1: It's his first time making an appearance. Came in on defense.
[48:18] Speaker 1: It was a turnover. Ran down. They threw it to him.
[48:22] Speaker 1: He shot the three. I'm laying in the bed watching.
[48:24] Speaker 1: I'm watching the game with my wife. I said, that's
[48:26] Speaker 1: why he ain't played. He ain't going back in. He
[48:29] Speaker 1: ain't going back in. I said, as soon as the announcer,
[48:32] Speaker 1: we haven't seen him yet this year. This thing, the third,
[48:34] Speaker 1: he hasn't seen a lot of time. He came in
[48:37] Speaker 1: and fired that motherfucker. As soon as he touched, I said,
[48:38] Speaker 1: that's why he ain't played a lot. Like, it's that, right?
[48:41] Speaker 1: That's pressure. But there's no real, yeah, PG, yes. You
[48:45] Speaker 1: made game one as you took big shots, made big shots.
[48:47] Speaker 1: We know that, yes. First game back, not the night
[48:51] Speaker 1: to be the hero, is my opinion. It's just not
[48:53] Speaker 1: your role on a team. On our team, it's not
[48:56] Speaker 1: your role. We don't know what the roles are, but
[49:00] Speaker 1: you're right. He had two free throws at the beginning
[49:03] Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter, didn't score again. You don't have
[49:07] Speaker 1: a rhythm, right, to be taking that shot. Or that's
[49:10] Speaker 1: what you were looking at. Yeah, I'm trying to figure
[49:12] Speaker 1: out the game play. I could have told you. If
[49:14] Speaker 1: he hit, like, back-to-back threes, and this is the one
[49:16] Speaker 1: he was going to take. No, I could have told you. Right, so, yeah,
[49:18] Speaker 1: he was... Four for 13 up until that point. No, but,
[49:20] Speaker 1: I mean, but those four could have been that quarter.
[49:23] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you're saying, like, he could have been. He
[49:24] Speaker 3: could have thought he was in the real game.
[49:26] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the game, how
[49:27] Speaker 6: the game played.
[49:29] Speaker 1: So, he had two points. He made two. Free throws.
[49:31] Speaker 1: At the beginning of the fourth, that was it. You
[49:33] Speaker 1: don't take that shot. That's not enough to get you right.
[49:35] Speaker 1: That ain't your shot. It's a 12-minute quarter. And he
[49:39] Speaker 1: subbed out.
[49:39] Speaker 3: And he subbed out. Yeah, that's a 12-minute quarter.
[49:41] Speaker 6: Max has hit two threes in the last, like, he
[49:44] Speaker 6: had eight points in the last, like, seven minutes.
[49:46] Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. And then you got the other guy.
[49:49] Speaker 1: I don't even know how to say his name.
[49:50] Speaker 3: Who, Kelly Oubre?
[49:51] Speaker 1: No, no, no. Oh, Yabusele. The French, yeah. Gershon Yabusele.
[49:55] Speaker 1: He played well. He was balling at the end, too.
[49:58] Speaker 3: Yes, he was. He played well.
[50:00] Speaker 6: So the ball should have been in Max's hand, and
[50:02] Speaker 6: that should have been like maybe a pick and roll,
[50:05] Speaker 6: if not.
[50:06] Speaker 1: Just a one-foot flat. There was a situation in the
[50:08] Speaker 1: fourth quarter. PG had a shot in the wing. He
[50:09] Speaker 1: could have shot it. Yabusele was in the corner. He
[50:12] Speaker 1: passed it to him. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He missed that one. Oh,
[50:15] Speaker 1: he missed that one. He missed it. But the fact
[50:17] Speaker 1: that PG could have shot it and didn't and deferred
[50:20] Speaker 1: that you wasn't in no rhythm. Like, you didn't even
[50:22] Speaker 1: take it because you had just missed the shot. So, yeah.
[50:26] Speaker 1: It's because I can do it. Yeah. I got it.
[50:29] Speaker 1: Like I said, he had a good look because he
[50:30] Speaker 1: had Grayson Allen on him. I get it. You got
[50:32] Speaker 1: Grayson Allen on you. You think, okay.
[50:34] Speaker 3: Because they did the pick and roll for the switch.
[50:36] Speaker 3: They switched on him.
[50:38] Speaker 1: You know he thinking, I got Grayson on me. Yeah,
[50:40] Speaker 1: I got Grayson on me. I got Grayson on me. Yeah.
[50:43] Speaker 3: But he's a defender.
[50:43] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and he's a defender. He's a defender, so
[50:46] Speaker 1: that doesn't even equal.
[50:47] Speaker 3: It doesn't.
[50:47] Speaker 6: If you're going to do a pick and roll and
[50:49] Speaker 6: get whoever's guarding Maxie on you, cool.
[50:51] Speaker 1: If not, that ball is... Bradley Beal should have been
[50:55] Speaker 1: whoever was on the floor. I think Brad was on him.
[50:58] Speaker 3: I don't want him either.
[50:59] Speaker 1: But I would prefer him. He's shorter than Grayson Allen. Yeah.
[51:05] Speaker 1: The ball, I mean... The ball should have found Tyreex.
[51:08] Speaker 3: The ball should have found Tyreex.
[51:09] Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
[51:11] Speaker 6: There's nothing part of this game that says you should
[51:14] Speaker 6: have had the ball at.
[51:15] Speaker 1: This moment in time. Yes, absolutely. You're not playing well, right?
[51:18] Speaker 6: Even though you're having a good game just functioning while
[51:22] Speaker 6: you just ain't making shots.
[51:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Your good shots, you ain't make them yet.
[51:26] Speaker 1: And he has some good looks. Yeah, he has some
[51:27] Speaker 1: good looks. Throughout the game, the more you miss good looks. Just... Tomorrow. Yes.
[51:34] Speaker 1: The next game. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's his birthday. Yeah.
[51:37] Speaker 1: We already know what that look like.
[51:39] Speaker 3: Yes.
[51:39] Speaker 1: Yeah. We know what the birthday game looks like. That's
[51:43] Speaker 1: a game winner. And he would have went for the win. Yes!
[51:45] Speaker 3: You know what, BZ?
[51:45] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Fuck your birthday. Fuck your count. Fuck your count.
[51:49] Speaker 1: Fuck your count. Homie. No, but, you know. Paulo, you
[51:58] Speaker 1: too fast, boy! Happy birthday, homie, homie. But you give
[52:06] Speaker 1: it to the guy who's... You give it to the
[52:08] Speaker 1: hot hand right there. I mean, if you hit shots
[52:10] Speaker 1: and you're in the rhythm and you're still in the game, yeah.
[52:13] Speaker 1: But you've only had two free throws in this fourth quarter.
[52:18] Speaker 1: At the top of the fourth. Not just now. The
[52:20] Speaker 1: top of the fourth, right? So it goes back to
[52:23] Speaker 1: what I said, right? Your pride and ego kicked in
[52:27] Speaker 1: rather than your IQ. Mm-hmm. and not giving the ball
[52:31] Speaker 1: to that young man and letting him go do what
[52:33] Speaker 1: he do.
[52:33] Speaker 6: We can't even say your IQ low. No, your IQ high.
[52:37] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Because you made the play like, oh, he just
[52:40] Speaker 1: hit a few. That's IQ right there. Ego was like, yeah,
[52:44] Speaker 1: I'm back.
[52:45] Speaker 3: I'm back, bitches. So you feel like he made a
[52:49] Speaker 3: conscious decision to keep the ball?
[52:50] Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely.
[52:52] Speaker 3: So as a basketball player, knowing what play we supposed
[52:54] Speaker 3: to make.
[52:55] Speaker 1: I fucked up. Okay.
[52:56] Speaker 3: Yeah. We're in the locker room. That's what we on.
[52:58] Speaker 1: He absolutely got in the back. 1,000%. 1,000% told Tyrese. Max,
[53:02] Speaker 1: I should have got you. Say it again? My bad,
[53:06] Speaker 1: young fella. I should have gave you the ball. 1,000%
[53:08] Speaker 1: at the end of the locker room. My fault. My fault.
[53:10] Speaker 1: And if he's not? No, no, he did that.
[53:13] Speaker 3: If he's not?
[53:14] Speaker 1: We all know when we... You know that. We all
[53:16] Speaker 1: know when we fucked up. Mm-hmm. Right? You took that
[53:19] Speaker 1: shot in life. If you're not going to be honest
[53:20] Speaker 1: with your guys.
[53:21] Speaker 3: It's like the Draymond shit I'm talking about. Remember when
[53:24] Speaker 3: Draymond did fucked up the shit and then he cussed
[53:26] Speaker 3: KD out when he came through?
[53:27] Speaker 1: You're not going to be honest with your guys? He
[53:28] Speaker 1: probably thought he was right. That's what I'm saying. No,
[53:30] Speaker 1: but no.
[53:31] Speaker 6: He probably thought he was right because, remember, they've been
[53:33] Speaker 6: winning and they didn't have the element where I got
[53:35] Speaker 6: to give it to the dude.
[53:36] Speaker 1: I never had that. I get the ball and I
[53:38] Speaker 1: go and try to make a play and that was
[53:40] Speaker 1: what I was doing.
[53:41] Speaker 3: I never, like, what do you mean give it to you?
[53:43] Speaker 3: Who said you was open? Like, if Maxie's on some shit.
[53:46] Speaker 1: Like, who said you was on? Fuck where you at?
[53:48] Speaker 1: Fuck you. If Maxie's on some shit that KD was
[53:51] Speaker 1: on on some like, hey, man, why don't you swing that?
[53:54] Speaker 3: Just like how Paul George was like that with C.J.
[53:58] Speaker 1: Miles in Indiana. Yeah. Hey, man, I swung it to him.
[54:01] Speaker 1: I'm ready for him to give it back to me.
[54:03] Speaker 1: He go do his own thing. He, like you said,
[54:06] Speaker 1: you've been in a position where you gave the ball up,
[54:09] Speaker 1: you supposed to get it back, and you didn't get
[54:11] Speaker 1: it back. That's Maxie right there. No, no, no, but
[54:13] Speaker 1: that's one of those things where you coming in, you
[54:16] Speaker 1: be like, yeah. That's so mean. My bad.
[54:19] Speaker 3: My bad, man. It's your birthday, man. But it's after film, though.
[54:22] Speaker 1: After film? No, you know, as soon as you miss
[54:23] Speaker 1: that mug of burn, you be like, fuck. Where that
[54:27] Speaker 1: little motherfucker at?
[54:29] Speaker 3: I've seen you. I've seen you.
[54:31] Speaker 1: I thought I had it. I thought I had it.
[54:36] Speaker 1: I thought I had it. Not to insult the injury. No,
[54:39] Speaker 1: I watch everything. You know, I'm very observant. The way
[54:43] Speaker 1: Tyrese left the floor. It was different? Swing that, old fella. No, no, no.
[54:48] Speaker 1: Swing that, old fella. You remember when I hit the game?
[54:53] Speaker 1: You know this one? Turn around this. Quran's right there, right?
[55:00] Speaker 1: So I'm driving towards Quran and AK-47 comes over and
[55:03] Speaker 1: I took the shot, right? I already knew, like, if
[55:12] Speaker 1: this misses, that boy going to be on one in
[55:15] Speaker 1: the locker room, dog. Like, I'm going to just got
[55:18] Speaker 1: to be my bad, and just as soon as we
[55:20] Speaker 1: get in the locker room, I'm going to just look
[55:21] Speaker 1: on down.
[55:22] Speaker 3: I thought I had it.
[55:22] Speaker 1: I thought I had it. I ain't trying to hit
[55:24] Speaker 1: this shit, man. Because he's one. This is one. When
[55:30] Speaker 1: he clap like that, yeah, yeah, yeah. That one. You tired, bitch?
[55:34] Speaker 1: He be like, oh, he going to say something to you.
[55:37] Speaker 3: Oh, we got something to say.
[55:39] Speaker 1: Gosh, yeah.
[55:40] Speaker 2: So we asked the chat who should have taken the Sixers'
[55:43] Speaker 2: last shot. 77% said Maxie. So the chat knows. It's
[55:48] Speaker 2: the man's birthday. Let's shift it over. Let's talk a
[55:50] Speaker 2: little bit about the Suns, the winner of the game
[55:53] Speaker 2: last night. So Suns are 6-1 to start this season,
[55:56] Speaker 2: and their big three of KD, Booker, and Bill have
[55:58] Speaker 2: already played five games together. That's something to celebrate. They
[56:05] Speaker 2: managed to pick up a win last night in the
[56:06] Speaker 2: game where Booker, shot three for 18 and had 13 points.
[56:11] Speaker 2: KD led the squad with 35 points and six assists,
[56:13] Speaker 2: going 14 for 20 from the field. Bill added 17
[56:16] Speaker 2: points in a 7-10 shooting. He was three for five
[56:18] Speaker 2: from deep. Are you buying the Suns' hot start to
[56:21] Speaker 2: this season?
[56:23] Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm buying it or not buying it, but, hey, man,
[56:27] Speaker 1: that number 35, man?
[56:29] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
[56:32] Speaker 1: He is really, really, really good, man. Yeah. Like, Just
[56:38] Speaker 1: watching it, like, of course I've known, I'm a big
[56:41] Speaker 1: fan about it. I used to have to guard it,
[56:43] Speaker 1: of course, I know. But, yo, man, it don't matter
[56:47] Speaker 1: who you put on it. Some of the shit that
[56:49] Speaker 1: he was making, one leg running and that shit there, listen, man. Yeah.
[56:58] Speaker 1: And then he missed the jumper to tie, I mean,
[57:01] Speaker 1: to go up to, he missed the shot right before
[57:03] Speaker 1: to go up to. It was tied, great look, he
[57:07] Speaker 1: missed the three. Thought he was going to shoot it again.
[57:10] Speaker 1: They put Yabasele's ass out there. He motherfucking boom, boom,
[57:13] Speaker 1: and went right by his ass and laid him. Because
[57:17] Speaker 1: he thought he was going to shoot it again. Yeah,
[57:18] Speaker 1: he thought it was a ticket. Yeah, because he damn
[57:20] Speaker 1: sure great look on the first one. Boom, boom, went
[57:25] Speaker 1: right by him. Yeah, but he took that game over
[57:29] Speaker 1: when it needed to be taken over. And Kevin Durant
[57:32] Speaker 1: is really good, man. Very good basketball player, Kevin Wayne Durant. Yeah,
[57:36] Speaker 1: he's really good. The fact that you said they played
[57:39] Speaker 1: five games together even though it's been seven, so that
[57:42] Speaker 1: means they've missed two games already. That's good news.
[57:46] Speaker 6: But, I mean, for the most part, we know as
[57:49] Speaker 6: long as they're healthy, right, we can expect this.
[57:52] Speaker 1: As I said, nobody's going to be surprised that they're 6-1. Right?
[57:57] Speaker 1: They all starting the season off together?
[58:00] Speaker 3: You know, 7-0, 8-0, 9-0.
[58:00] Speaker 6: We know who's on that team. We know there's a
[58:05] Speaker 6: Kevin Durant healthy. We know there's a Booker on that team.
[58:08] Speaker 1: We know there's a Bill.
[58:09] Speaker 6: As long as those three are healthy, you can expect
[58:12] Speaker 6: that they're going to be good. The problem is when
[58:15] Speaker 6: two of them is missing, one has an ankle sprain,
[58:17] Speaker 6: he comes back, that one leaves. When you start playing
[58:19] Speaker 6: this with the lineup, that's the problem. Because at this point,
[58:23] Speaker 6: the only durable one was Kevin Durant. And you got
[58:27] Speaker 6: him out there by himself. So the fact that they
[58:31] Speaker 6: are together... you can expect that they're going to be dominant.
[58:36] Speaker 6: And they're ball moving. And they don't need to be, like,
[58:39] Speaker 6: all three of them don't need to be dominant all
[58:41] Speaker 6: at the same time.
[58:42] Speaker 1: To win games.
[58:44] Speaker 6: They can be one and a half, two, two and
[58:46] Speaker 6: a half, shit, one and three quarters. Like, that's how
[58:50] Speaker 6: much talent they have that if Kevin Durant ain't carrying it,
[58:55] Speaker 6: Booker can carry it. If Booker can carry it, we
[58:57] Speaker 6: already know Bill done led the league in scoring before.
[58:59] Speaker 1: So he can carry it.
[59:01] Speaker 6: So they got three guys who can do the same
[59:04] Speaker 6: job if need be.
[59:09] Speaker 1: Oh, man.
[59:09] Speaker 3: Do you guys think that Philly would have looked a
[59:13] Speaker 3: lot different?
[59:14] Speaker 1: That game would have went a lot different if Embiid
[59:16] Speaker 1: would have played? Yeah, of course.
[59:19] Speaker 3: So how good did Phoenix look last night? for us
[59:22] Speaker 3: to say this.
[59:23] Speaker 1: Oh, no, they still didn't play no defense and all
[59:25] Speaker 1: that shit. Like, I said this shit in the third quarter.
[59:26] Speaker 1: It was like three minutes to go and them motherfuckers
[59:29] Speaker 1: had 90. Like, both teams had motherfucking 90. I'm like,
[59:33] Speaker 1: I'm talking to my partner like, man, neither one of
[59:34] Speaker 1: these motherfuckers playing no defense. So.
[59:36] Speaker 3: It's nasty.
[59:37] Speaker 1: No, they look good offensively. See, that's... Right?
[59:40] Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing to me about when you're
[59:42] Speaker 3: trying to analyze a team. Even though Booker struggled. Booker,
[59:45] Speaker 3: three for 18. Yeah, I mean, but Booker, they've been struggling.
[59:49] Speaker 3: To me, I don't see the collaboration of them playing really,
[59:56] Speaker 3: really well together where they're all going to play like
[59:59] Speaker 3: somebody's going to have 20, somebody's going to have 30.
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: Like I was saying before, if.
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: Booker can give me 50, stay up around there because
[1:00:07] Speaker 3: you're that good. If KD can keep giving me 32, 35, 28,
[1:00:12] Speaker 3: keep giving me that. But Brad, Bill, y'all all got
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: to come together and give us collective game, performance. It's
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: going to be tough. So that's why I said with
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: the Embiid thing, if Embiid is there, we got a
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: full house, right? PG, Embiid, Maxie, Bill, Booker, Durant. At
[1:00:29] Speaker 3: this point, it's like Durant going to do what he do.
[1:00:31] Speaker 3: KD is KD. I don't trust nobody else. You don't
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: trust the rest of that school?
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: None of them. Who?
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: Phoenix.
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: I don't trust them. You don't trust Booker? No, I mean,
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: I mean, Grayson Allen.
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: Booker's going to be solid. It ain't no knock on Booker,
[1:00:45] Speaker 3: but I just don't trust that.
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Tyus Jones over there. No, they got
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: a good, like, you got a good, like, that's the
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: thing about it. Like, even Booker. Booker makes. Very rare
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: for him. Booker goes. Too straight, right? Seven for 18.
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: That's a different game, too. It's a blowout.
[1:01:01] Speaker 3: If he goes 7 for 18. 7 for 18.
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: I mean, he went 3 for 18. Like, he had
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: a horrible go at it. 0 for 6 from the
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: three-point line. Like, he struggled. It was one of those
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: nights for him.
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: But on the other side, you got KD going 14
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: for 20, shooting 70% from the field.
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: You got Bill shooting 70% from the field.
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: So Booker struggled because Caleb Martin, Oubre, them dudes, it's
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: his height, and they was being physical with him. So
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: he wasn't getting no, so KD just shooting right over him.
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: They doing the same, they were trying to do the
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: same thing with KD. He just shooting right, right. So
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: they was playing the same defenses, but it's just, I
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: don't see you. So, but Booker was, like, they were
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: being physical. They were being physical last night on defensive end,
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: Philly was, but KD just had that thing going.
[1:01:52] Speaker 3: KD not going to be able to feel that celebration
[1:01:56] Speaker 3: that he felt in Golden State.
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: No more. No more championships?
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: I'm just saying that feeling. I'm not saying he ain't
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: going to win.
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: The feeling of a champion?
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: The feeling of being a part of a dynasty team.
[1:02:08] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Being a part of something
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: where you know you got a chance to go in
[1:02:11] Speaker 3: there and win. Like, coming into the season, you're like, yeah.
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: We're about to kill all y'all.
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: I think they do, man.
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: They ain't got no bigs. They ain't got no rebounding.
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: And they don't play no defense. Like he said, non-existent.
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: You giving up 90 in three quarters? Y'all don't want
[1:02:27] Speaker 3: to win no championships. You don't got no pedigree. You
[1:02:34] Speaker 3: got a guy that has legacy, but you don't have
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: team pedigree.
[1:02:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't, yeah, okay.
[1:02:40] Speaker 6: They don't have the golden state, like even if you
[1:02:43] Speaker 6: take Curry away from it, you don't have the golden state,
[1:02:47] Speaker 6: like that.
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: Unit connection, right? You're, like, you can say you three scores,
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: can mimic those three scores. Right. Yeah. But you don't
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: have the Draymond Green. You don't have the Iggy. You
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: don't have that. You don't have those guys to help it.
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: Look good. Yeah. And you got Grayson. Grayson's probably that
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: other piece. Yeah, but what I'm saying is you don't
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: have the dudes that know how to manipulate the game
[1:03:18] Speaker 1: within the game. Man.
[1:03:19] Speaker 6: Take this pick from you, right? We did the pick
[1:03:22] Speaker 6: and roll. Let me go ahead, swing to you. You
[1:03:24] Speaker 6: going back door. I'm going to set the pick.
[1:03:27] Speaker 1: Do the screen down. You come up and take that shot.
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: I'm going to flare.
[1:03:29] Speaker 6: Knowing Kenya went over there and I passed that.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: You don't have that guy. And then we come back
[1:03:34] Speaker 1: and run all that again. Yeah, you don't have.
[1:03:37] Speaker 6: The guy where he makes extra offense outside of the
[1:03:42] Speaker 6: original play. And it's hard to value that guy.
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: That's the... Sometimes you hope it's your star. So that's
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: the Jokic type of player. Who's going to take the
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: play here, bring it here, get it here, backdoor, boom,
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: throw that. Those are those guys. Usually you hope it's
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: your star, but there's usually a role guy that does
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: all that extra stuff.
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: If that was ever a reason to make a guy
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, I'd give it to him. And that's
[1:04:07] Speaker 3: why you have to put a Draymond Green type of
[1:04:10] Speaker 3: player in there because of what you just said. He
[1:04:13] Speaker 3: manipulates breaking down the offense outside.
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: Of the original offense. I can give you multiple different
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: options without having to call a play because I'm smart
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: enough to do that.
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: I like that about Draymond. All of the shit, cool,
[1:04:23] Speaker 3: but that's what will make him a Hall of Famer
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: is you can't find that everywhere. It's unicorn shit. I mean,
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: that's the thing that they're missing. They're missing their role
[1:04:34] Speaker 3: player that can keep all of them like this. and
[1:04:37] Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to find that anytime soon.
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: So you talked about Draymond, we're going to talk about
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: Scottie Barnes. Yep. Yep, that's it. But what's so funny,
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: that's the player. Can I get a GM job? Maybe.
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: See how easy that fucking was? Maybe. And look where
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: he at. He'd love to go down there.
[1:04:57] Speaker 6: Now the problem is, now the thing is, Scottie Barnes, what,
[1:05:01] Speaker 6: they have him.
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: Like the Iguodala. Yeah. Philly, you're making him the number
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: one option. He's not the.
[1:05:11] Speaker 6: Number one option. He's the third option that makes the
[1:05:15] Speaker 6: number one, two, four, and five play together.
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: Absolutely. He's the bridge guy that makes the team work, right?
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: So it's one of those, he's that guy. Perfect player,
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: perfect player, perfect player. Yeah, he's the guy you can
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: put in a Philly.
[1:05:31] Speaker 6: And you say, all right, let me remove this guy,
[1:05:33] Speaker 6: put him in Philly, and he makes it.
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: All look good. Who the guy was supposed to be
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: is Ben Simmons. Yes. Yes. And that's the problem.
[1:05:42] Speaker 6: You're looking at Ben because he's number one pick, not
[1:05:44] Speaker 6: knowing he's a bridge player.
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:05:46] Speaker 6: So you're booing the guy who's like, wait, hold on.
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: I'm the point guard. I'm supposed to make him look good,
[1:05:52] Speaker 1: him look good. That's my job, and y'all booing me.
[1:05:54] Speaker 3: Josh Giddey.
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: Yep. Josh Giddey.
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: The Giddler.
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: That's crazy. I think you said.
[1:06:00] Speaker 3: Ben would be good in Philly. One of us said,
[1:06:03] Speaker 3: we was talking about Ben going to Philly in a trade.
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: Going back?
[1:06:09] Speaker 3: No, Ben getting traded to Philly.
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: I think Gil talked about Ben on the Suns.
[1:06:14] Speaker 3: I mean, not Philly. I meant Phoenix.
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: Phoenix, yeah. Phoenix.
[1:06:18] Speaker 3: So Ben going to Phoenix would have been a play.
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: Now look at that. That's what I'm saying. Look at
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: that team. Right? You got to power forward on defense
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: or point guard on defense.
[1:06:29] Speaker 3: Man. Right?
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: Because he can guard one, two, three, four, five. So
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: now your group.
[1:06:35] Speaker 6: And then on offense, he's.
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: The guy that's sitting there doing this. He ain't looking
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: for no fucking shot. None of that. Right? He ain't
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: looking for... It's like you done told him, don't shoot
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: the ball, boy. Don't shoot. Cool, I got it, coach.
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: Don't even worry about it.
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: Don't even worry.
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: And he accepted it. Right? Now he's going to take
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: all the responsibility of, okay, if I.
[1:06:53] Speaker 6: If Kyrie's in the game, I got Kyrie. Okay, Luka's
[1:06:56] Speaker 6: on it, I got Luka. Gaffer's posting up, I got Gaffer.
[1:07:00] Speaker 6: He's that guy. But the problem is you don't know
[1:07:04] Speaker 6: how to value him.
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: Man. You might get Ben for low right now.
[1:07:13] Speaker 6: If Jimmy Butler would have stayed, then nobody would have
[1:07:16] Speaker 6: paid attention to Ben Simmons. Because Jimmy Butler would have
[1:07:20] Speaker 6: been the official.
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: Second option. Tobias is the third option. Ben makes it
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: all work. You the point guard. You Eric Snow. Athletic
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: Eric Snow. And that's him.
[1:07:31] Speaker 6: There's some guys that are bridgers.
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett. Absolutely. Was a bridger. In Boston.
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: 100%. He was a bridger.
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: He knew how to do it.
[1:07:39] Speaker 6: But as I said, when he was with Timberwolves, the
[1:07:41] Speaker 6: reason they didn't make it like they were supposed to because.
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: He is the ticket, but he's.
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: A bridger, though.
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: He's a bridge player.
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: He didn't want to be number one.
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: That's not his gift.
[1:07:51] Speaker 3: And he didn't want to get it.
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: Let Ray be the shooter. Let Rondo be the another facilitator.
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: And I'll manipulate it all.
[1:07:58] Speaker 3: And that's why when they got to the conference finals,
[1:08:00] Speaker 3: he had Sam, who was really the number one option.
[1:08:05] Speaker 3: Spree was the number two. And we took it home
[1:08:07] Speaker 3: with ticket. We'll take it home with ticket. When they left...
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: It was Wally Zerbiak and Troy Hudson.
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: And he didn't want to share the ball with Wally,
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: so it was just him. He's like, man, give it
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: to me. And it was too much. Yeah, come on
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: and double. Come on and double.
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: Oh, he weak down here.
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: Come on and double.
[1:08:23] Speaker 3: Swing, swing. Our stupid ass do what?
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: Double. Stupid. Swing, swing. Swing, swing. Brick, brick.
[1:08:28] Speaker 3: He got tired of that brick, and he's like, I'm
[1:08:30] Speaker 3: done with that.
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: Let's talk about KD just a little bit more. Another
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: situation he has going on off the court. So when
[1:08:36] Speaker 2: KD isn't hitting game winners, he's still making headlines. After
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: Suns head coach Mike Boothoser praised KD's leadership recently, He
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: was asked about a criticism that came from Stephen A.
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: Smith on an episode of First Take. So a few
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: weeks ago, Stephen A.
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: Said that KD's lack of leadership would hold the Suns
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: back this season. And here's what Durant told Doug Haller
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: of The Athletic about Stephen A. in a recent article saying, quote,
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: I don't understand how people even listen to Stephen A.
[1:09:01] Speaker 2: I've been in the league for 18 years. I've never
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: seen Stephen A. at a practice or a film session
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: or a shoot-around. I've never seen him anywhere but on
[1:09:09] Speaker 2: TV talking shit about players. He's a clown to me.
[1:09:12] Speaker 2: He's always been a clown. You can write that, too.
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: As you know, nothing's off the record when you're talking
[1:09:18] Speaker 2: to reporters, but I appreciate him letting him know that.
[1:09:21] Speaker 3: You can write it.
[1:09:21] Speaker 2: He had permission to put that in the article. So
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: when Katie gives you a quote like that, you obviously
[1:09:25] Speaker 2: will write it. Turns out Stephen A. read the article,
[1:09:28] Speaker 2: decided to respond on his podcast. Here's what Stephen A.
[1:09:31] Speaker 2: had to say.
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: I'm a clown.
[1:09:33] Speaker 7: That why your team called me to be a part
[1:09:35] Speaker 7: of your documentary.
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: That's why y'all called me. Because I was a clown.
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: Your company.
[1:09:39] Speaker 7: You run the show. You executive produced it. How come
[1:09:43] Speaker 7: y'all called me? When you had the boardroom. And you
[1:09:46] Speaker 7: were sitting down to interview people one-on-one. Didn't you call
[1:09:49] Speaker 7: me to do that interview? By the way, didn't you
[1:09:51] Speaker 7: show up on first take? Sitting right across from me?
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: A clown. Kevin Durant. Can anybody talk about you?
[1:09:58] Speaker 7: And that was after you told the Knicks you were coming.
[1:10:01] Speaker 7: And then at the 11th hour, you got convinced to roll.
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: Over to Brooklyn.
[1:10:05] Speaker 7: Which might be one of the worst business moves, Mr.
[1:10:09] Speaker 1: 35 Ventures.
[1:10:11] Speaker 7: That we have seen from a basketball superstar in a
[1:10:14] Speaker 7: modern-day era. Because when we think about business, the number
[1:10:18] Speaker 7: one name that comes to it when we think about
[1:10:20] Speaker 7: basketball and business is LeBron James.
[1:10:24] Speaker 2: Fair assessment on the business standpoint. So let's go to our—
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: You got 35 inches?
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: Yeah. 35V. That makes sense, yeah.
[1:10:36] Speaker 2: One time I told KD I was going to start
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: a company called 36 Ventures just to surpass him.
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: He got upset about that. But that's neither here nor there.
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: Just me sharing. Let's go to our resident Stephen A. expert. Rashad,
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: true story.
[1:10:46] Speaker 2: Rashad McKay. What's your reaction to the KD versus Stephen A.
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: Beef?
[1:10:53] Speaker 3: Man, Stephen A.
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: Ain't catch a break. He keep fucking with us.
[1:11:03] Speaker 3: I know, like, he may think that because we up
[1:11:05] Speaker 3: here talk about players that we don't got the players back.
[1:11:09] Speaker 3: That we not going to vouch for the players. Because
[1:11:11] Speaker 3: KD's a player.
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: Like, he playing.
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: He ain't no former player. Where you can sit up
[1:11:15] Speaker 3: here and just talk crazy to the former players.
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: We can talk back, go back and forth, back and forth. Right?
[1:11:19] Speaker 3: So, KD got a brand to uphold. You know, he's
[1:11:22] Speaker 3: been a bit ultra sensitive with criticism. You know, just
[1:11:27] Speaker 3: like anybody else. I think we like praise more than
[1:11:30] Speaker 3: we like criticism. So, we're going to be a little
[1:11:32] Speaker 3: bit more biased toward what we received, but I think
[1:11:36] Speaker 3: Stephen A just needs to understand he's in.
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: A losing situation.
[1:11:39] Speaker 3: You got a lot of players who's going to come
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: to Kevin Durant's defense when it's coming to just calling
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: you a clown. It's old media trying to still get down.
[1:11:49] Speaker 3: It's new media right now. And I'm going to keep
[1:11:52] Speaker 3: preaching that the new media is what really is the
[1:11:56] Speaker 3: driving force between sports and the audience. So they want
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: to hear authentic conversations between player to player. That's what
[1:12:05] Speaker 3: we're going to start doing. But I mean, for you, Stephen,
[1:12:07] Speaker 3: to get on there and try to get people to
[1:12:09] Speaker 3: come listen to you fight against players is just counterproductive.
[1:12:15] Speaker 3: It's counterproductive because that ain't how you got here. So
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: you need to kind of refocus, refocus. Fighting against players
[1:12:22] Speaker 3: may get you clickbait, may get you views. But when
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: we see you, it's a different energy. A lot of
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: players may feel the same way about me because I'm
[1:12:30] Speaker 3: coming out of a different lens for me, but I
[1:12:32] Speaker 3: still got respect for all these guys. So at the
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: end of the day, if you don't got respect for
[1:12:36] Speaker 3: a guy, you're going to start talking crazy about personal
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: stuff and all that because he's coming back at you
[1:12:42] Speaker 3: from stuff you're saying. It's a microwave society.
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: Everybody's fucking cooked. All right, let's shift over to this
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: side of the couch. Kane, what do you think about
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: this whole... Stephen A.
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: KD, Beef KD calling Stephen A.
[1:12:58] Speaker 1: A clown. Stephen A.
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: Pointing out that he wasn't a clown when they wanted
[1:13:02] Speaker 2: him to pull up to various boardroom ventures.
[1:13:08] Speaker 3: I'm glad I caught myself.
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: Them calling him for work, for documentaries, he's Cool. Use it.
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: All right. People going to watch it if Stephen A
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: on it. Cool. I'm going to use you if I can.
[1:13:32] Speaker 1: So that part of it. He still think you're a
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: clown in the same breath. While using you for his shit.
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: Both things can exist simultaneously. Yeah. It's that man's personal
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: opinion about that man the way he feel about Stephen A.
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: So You know what I'm saying? If Stephen A had
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: ever played in the NBA and same energy, I think
[1:14:14] Speaker 1: it would be perceived a little different. But the fact
[1:14:20] Speaker 1: that you've been a journalist forever and Kevin Durant looks
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: at himself as one of the best players ever to
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: lace him up. So for there to be any bad blood,
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: any bad words, any bad prayer, whatever it is between
[1:14:49] Speaker 1: the two, I'm pretty sure Kevin Durant feel that it's merited.
[1:14:55] Speaker 1: I don't think he just picked it out of thin air. Um,
[1:15:01] Speaker 1: Stephen A's job is to critique basketball. Yes. And with
[1:15:09] Speaker 1: this particular player, to your point, he is sensitive about
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: his game, about the time that he is put in,
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: about how he goes about his craft. Um, And the
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: results that he's got from that time that he's put
[1:15:28] Speaker 1: in working on his craft. So for anybody to ever
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: question that, he has a problem. Facts. And he's not
[1:15:37] Speaker 1: afraid to voice it. So I guess there's a boiling
[1:15:44] Speaker 1: point with certain things, and I think Kevin Durant has
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: reached it with said person, and that's what you get.
[1:15:51] Speaker 2: I mean, questioning KD's leadership, saying that's going to hold
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: the Suns back.
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: No, but that is the problem. And I think that's
[1:15:58] Speaker 1: been the issue this whole time with players and media, right?
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: Media is the power of the pen, right?
[1:16:07] Speaker 6: And the pen is what the fans read, right? The
[1:16:13] Speaker 6: voice is what the fans hear. So when....
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: Stephen A Smith or anyone says he's not a leader.
[1:16:24] Speaker 6: The player is asking the question, who the fuck are
[1:16:29] Speaker 6: you to decide that? You've never been in this locker room.
[1:16:34] Speaker 6: You've never been in the practice. You've never seen me
[1:16:37] Speaker 6: work out. What are you judging it off of? How
[1:16:42] Speaker 6: are you judging what I am?
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: What part of the game? You're watching the game.
[1:16:49] Speaker 6: In and out, halftime, whatever the fuck you're doing on
[1:16:52] Speaker 6: how you watch the game. Because you're a sports reporter,
[1:16:55] Speaker 6: so you're watching everything. So how are you judging I'm
[1:16:57] Speaker 6: not a leader? What on the fucking court says I'm
[1:17:00] Speaker 6: not a leader? Because in practice, in shoot around and film,
[1:17:05] Speaker 6: you're not here to give that judgment. So you're just
[1:17:09] Speaker 6: saying it and then you're spewing it across the world.
[1:17:12] Speaker 6: That's the problem here.
[1:17:15] Speaker 1: You're telling the world I'm not a leader because of
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: actually what now? Yeah, what are you basing it off of?
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: What are you basing it off of? You don't like me. Like,
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: what are you basing?
[1:17:27] Speaker 6: Because I made a decision to go to Golden State
[1:17:30] Speaker 6: to win a championship and get a finals MVP. That's
[1:17:33] Speaker 6: what you're saying I'm not a leader of?
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: Because we lost.
[1:17:38] Speaker 3: A 3-1 lead.
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: We as a group... Lost a 3-1 lead?
[1:17:43] Speaker 3: I'm a bad leader.
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: Was the coach a leader? Did he get fired? No,
[1:17:45] Speaker 1: you're just blaming me? Like, there's so.
[1:17:49] Speaker 6: Many factors of going into something. Was Curry not a
[1:17:53] Speaker 6: leader when LeBron James came back? Was LeBron not a
[1:17:57] Speaker 6: leader when he was down 1-3? Was he a better
[1:18:00] Speaker 6: leader when he went up and won 4-3? How are
[1:18:03] Speaker 6: we fucking judging this?
[1:18:05] Speaker 1: That's the problem with the player themselves. The people who
[1:18:10] Speaker 1: are not even close to us is giving us our titles.
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: Well, they have the platforms making us believe.
[1:18:19] Speaker 1: Making them believe. Making them believe.
[1:18:21] Speaker 3: That we accept the titles.
[1:18:23] Speaker 1: We don't accept the titles that people that don't do
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: what we do give us. Like championships don't give fucking
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: people titles, man. That's what I'm saying. Like, is Jokic
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: a leader? Because they won a championship?
[1:18:38] Speaker 6: Or because he's an MVP? When he says, hey, what
[1:18:42] Speaker 6: did you tell your team? I didn't tell them shit.
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: I got on the plane.
[1:18:47] Speaker 3: I play my game. I go home.
[1:18:48] Speaker 1: Is that a leader?
[1:18:50] Speaker 6: Leadership is a gray area, man.
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: It's crazy. People, to your point, the media portrays it
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: as the guy that's the leading scorer. or who has
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: the most jersey sales, supposed to be the leader on
[1:19:13] Speaker 1: the team. So they try to hold you accountable for
[1:19:17] Speaker 1: something that you probably not for one, you don't want
[1:19:20] Speaker 1: to be for two, and that you very well might
[1:19:23] Speaker 1: be for three in your own way.
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: It's the penalty of leadership.
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: Right? It's the penalty of people buying my jersey and
[1:19:31] Speaker 1: me getting a big contract just because I have these things.
[1:19:36] Speaker 1: I'm still an introvert. You want to be the king?
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: But I'm still an introvert. So you want to be
[1:19:41] Speaker 1: the king? No, no, no, but the thing is this. Okay,
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: he lost 3-1. They blame him, right? And then he
[1:19:49] Speaker 1: goes to Golden State.
[1:19:50] Speaker 3: And we win. They win.
[1:19:52] Speaker 1: He's the best player, finals MVP. Did he lead them
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: to championships? No, no, we're not giving you credit for that.
[1:19:59] Speaker 3: Hell no. We're not giving you credit.
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: We're not giving you credit for winning.
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: We won before you.
[1:20:07] Speaker 1: You're picking and choosing. One whole time. You're picking and choosing.
[1:20:11] Speaker 6: That's why I said, even when Charles Barkley said it, oh, he's.
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: Not a leader.
[1:20:17] Speaker 1: What is that? How are you saying that, dog? We
[1:20:20] Speaker 1: watched you in Philly.
[1:20:22] Speaker 6: Were you a leader when it was? No, that wasn't
[1:20:24] Speaker 6: your team then, huh? You go to Phoenix. They were
[1:20:28] Speaker 6: already good before you. I'm pretty sure.
[1:20:30] Speaker 1: You called yourself a leader there because they're winning, right?
[1:20:33] Speaker 1: They're winning, so you're a leader then. When they started losing,
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: you probably wasn't the leader. It went back to Kevin Johnson.
[1:20:40] Speaker 1: When you went over to Houston, you wasn't the leader, right?
[1:20:45] Speaker 3: Everything fell on who?
[1:20:46] Speaker 1: Hakeem.
[1:20:48] Speaker 6: I think there's an article right now by, is it
[1:20:52] Speaker 6: Scottie Pippen or is it Drexler? It's a public one
[1:20:59] Speaker 6: that said, you owe us an apology.
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: For being out of shape. Is that your leadership? Yeah.
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: Google it.
[1:21:12] Speaker 6: You owe us an apology for being out of shape.
[1:21:17] Speaker 6: Have you given that apology to that group?
[1:21:20] Speaker 1: Yes, to your teammates. I think from back in 2023.
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: Last year, a couple months ago. Scottie Pippen said.
[1:21:26] Speaker 2: He thought Charles Barkley wasn't dedicated enough to winning a championship.
[1:21:30] Speaker 1: What's that again? Who said that?
[1:21:31] Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen said that he thought Charles Barkley wasn't dedicated
[1:21:34] Speaker 2: enough to winning a championship.
[1:21:36] Speaker 1: Okay, now, I'm sorry. But when you talk about other
[1:21:41] Speaker 1: people's legacy....
[1:21:44] Speaker 6: There is a six-time champion who's won it six times
[1:21:47] Speaker 6: that got over the hump of beating the Detroit Pistons.
[1:21:52] Speaker 1: That means they had to do extra shit.
[1:21:54] Speaker 6: Lift weights, do whatever the fuck they had to do
[1:21:56] Speaker 6: to win. You get with him and he says, you
[1:22:00] Speaker 6: didn't do enough. So when you're sitting here questioning other people,
[1:22:04] Speaker 6: you were questioning yourself that you didn't do enough to
[1:22:08] Speaker 6: win a championship. You just did enough for yourself. You
[1:22:11] Speaker 6: didn't do enough for the team.
[1:22:13] Speaker 1: You came here to win a championship, but you was
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: playing like you was still in Philadelphia and still here.
[1:22:22] Speaker 1: You got to do some extra shit to get over
[1:22:25] Speaker 1: that hump. But you're the same person that's throwing rocks
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: at every other player questioning who they were. And that's
[1:22:34] Speaker 1: why I said I always called them on this bullshit.
[1:22:37] Speaker 6: Like, I was a fan of yours, so I know
[1:22:39] Speaker 6: what was said about you.
[1:22:40] Speaker 1: I asked about you. I've asked Drexler about, hey, what
[1:22:44] Speaker 1: happened to when y'all came over here? I've asked those questions.
[1:22:48] Speaker 2: So just to play devil's advocate, can't Stephen A not
[1:22:50] Speaker 2: do the same thing? Because as you mentioned, KD said,
[1:22:52] Speaker 2: we haven't seen you in locker rooms, haven't seen you
[1:22:54] Speaker 2: in film. Let me just read a part of the
[1:22:55] Speaker 2: response that Stephen A gave on first take. He said, respectfully,
[1:23:00] Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, can you stop lying, please? I've been an
[1:23:02] Speaker 2: NBA reporter. I was a columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer
[1:23:05] Speaker 2: as well. Kevin Durant has seen me in the locker
[1:23:07] Speaker 2: room when he was at Oklahoma City and Golden State.
[1:23:10] Speaker 2: He's certainly seen me at games throughout his career. But
[1:23:13] Speaker 2: there's the other part of that, too. You're in the
[1:23:16] Speaker 2: locker room for media availability.
[1:23:18] Speaker 1: Yes. For that small window. It's a lot more locker
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: room time, obviously. Yes. I mean, I don't want to
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: at all. And you're not local media, so you're not
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: there every day. That's what I'm saying.
[1:23:31] Speaker 6: Let me hear local media say something.
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: Like, I respect the local media.
[1:23:37] Speaker 2: We did see another member of Philadelphia Inquirer local media.
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: Say some things recently.
[1:23:42] Speaker 1: About who? That may or may have gotten him in
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: an altercation.
[1:23:46] Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is, I would trust his opinion
[1:23:50] Speaker 6: over national media.
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: Because national media is... Hire, right? You know what I mean?
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: It's like top-notch. They're not dealing with that local shit.
[1:24:02] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We pull up for the
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: big click.
[1:24:05] Speaker 6: Yeah, we're speaking here across the board. I don't know
[1:24:09] Speaker 6: what's going on local, but since you don't see us
[1:24:13] Speaker 6: every day, don't tell me what I am then.
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: That's the player standpoint.
[1:24:17] Speaker 3: Full circle, because I'm not the hypocritical type. We were
[1:24:24] Speaker 3: the first ones to actually question KD's leadership.
[1:24:27] Speaker 1: Cap. Charles Barkley was. And we chimed in.
[1:24:33] Speaker 3: As far as us, the new media.
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:24:37] Speaker 3: We made the comments.
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: When you say we, you speak in French or are
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: you talking about you?
[1:24:42] Speaker 3: I'm talking about we. Who's we? We had a whole debate. No,
[1:24:45] Speaker 3: you had a whole debate. It was actually Brandon. Oh, yes, Brandon.
[1:24:50] Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying. We all spoke about it, right?
[1:24:53] Speaker 3: And KD was supposed to come on the show.
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: To address it. Right?
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: So when we look about, we're looking at, you know,
[1:25:01] Speaker 3: the Stephen A thing, we did Stephen A a favor
[1:25:06] Speaker 3: early on by actually bringing this topic up as fellow
[1:25:11] Speaker 3: former athletes, former players. We'd say, Brandon, like, man, so
[1:25:15] Speaker 3: who has KD made better?
[1:25:17] Speaker 1: But that was already out there, though. No, remember. It
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: was already out there.
[1:25:20] Speaker 3: That's the reason why we spoke on it. Brandon wanted
[1:25:22] Speaker 3: to know who has he made better, what makes him
[1:25:24] Speaker 3: such a good leader, all that kind of stuff. So
[1:25:27] Speaker 3: as we dug into it, we started to find some answers.
[1:25:30] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:25:31] Speaker 3: It's like you can't really quantify because Gil feels a
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: certain way about leadership when it's like, all right, I'm
[1:25:35] Speaker 3: supposed to lead by example. The only way you're supposed
[1:25:38] Speaker 3: to do that is go in and put your own
[1:25:39] Speaker 3: work in.
[1:25:40] Speaker 1: Right? So it's not about him doing shit for other people.
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: I can't make you better. I can show you.
[1:25:45] Speaker 3: So we had a whole viral week doing that.
[1:25:48] Speaker 1: So here we are, full circle. Quality program. You know
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
[1:25:51] Speaker 3: Where another person on the outside is doing what we've
[1:25:54] Speaker 3: already done. And we've already pretty much, KD pretty much
[1:25:58] Speaker 3: rallied his troops and led them to the playoffs. What
[1:26:01] Speaker 3: he was supposed to do, he just didn't get over
[1:26:03] Speaker 3: the hump. Not getting over the hump don't make you
[1:26:05] Speaker 3: a great leader, though.
[1:26:07] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:26:07] Speaker 3: So leadership is about making sure you get as far
[1:26:10] Speaker 3: as you can. At this point, like I said, I'm
[1:26:14] Speaker 3: not going to be hypocritical. We've already done, we blasted
[1:26:17] Speaker 3: KD from that side. And it's like, right now, Stephen A,
[1:26:23] Speaker 3: you didn't need to do all of the stuff that
[1:26:25] Speaker 3: you did because It's already been talked about, and he's
[1:26:29] Speaker 3: already covered the bases to say we don't need to
[1:26:31] Speaker 3: talk about that no more. I'm a great leader.
[1:26:33] Speaker 1: Like even right now with Giannis, right? If he was
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: the leader when they were champions and he was a
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: great leader and they won in six right now, I
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: can't say he's a bad leader because they starting off bad.
[1:26:47] Speaker 1: They just starting off bad, right?
[1:26:49] Speaker 6: You know, whatever his leadership was when they was winning
[1:26:52] Speaker 6: the championships, when he won the.
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: Back-to-back MVP, it doesn't change. Right? Because they're starting off bad.
[1:26:59] Speaker 6: We can't say, oh, we need to question his leadership
[1:27:01] Speaker 6: on the decision he was making.
[1:27:02] Speaker 1: Well, when he won the MVPs, we wasn't questioning it.
[1:27:05] Speaker 1: Then why the fuck are we questioning when it's not working?
[1:27:08] Speaker 2: But you want to give the leader the praise, right,
[1:27:09] Speaker 2: and the credit in the good times. Shouldn't they also
[1:27:12] Speaker 2: deserve the blame in the bad times?
[1:27:13] Speaker 1: You know that's how I feel. But you didn't give
[1:27:16] Speaker 1: him the credit when he was.
[1:27:18] Speaker 3: He got two EVPs.
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: But you didn't say he was a great leader. There
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: was no... Oh, this is the best leadership in the...
[1:27:24] Speaker 1: That's extra. But I'm saying, there's... It's only... You only get...
[1:27:28] Speaker 1: Your leadership only get questioned when they decide to do it. Right?
[1:27:33] Speaker 1: Only when they decide to question it, like, oh, it
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: ain't working. Oh, shit, look. They're horrible over there. Whose
[1:27:39] Speaker 1: fault is it? Who? Whose fault? It's the same.
[1:27:42] Speaker 3: It's the same motherfucking fault that got us here when
[1:27:45] Speaker 3: we was doing good. If we doing bad... And we've,
[1:27:49] Speaker 3: all the milk gone, the cows ain't shitting right.
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: Man, who brought us these cows?
[1:27:54] Speaker 3: Because they was shitting right.
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: Two months ago.
[1:27:57] Speaker 3: And we was praising the motherfucker who brought us these
[1:28:00] Speaker 3: cows two months ago.
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: These motherfuckers shitting green and.
[1:28:02] Speaker 3: All kinds of shit. We need to take them back.
[1:28:04] Speaker 3: We going to criticize this.
[1:28:06] Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, man? You told us these cows going
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: to last a whole year. Three months in. I need
[1:28:11] Speaker 1: my money back.
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: So we got room to criticize and we got room
[1:28:15] Speaker 3: to praise.
[1:28:16] Speaker 1: There's only one group of people, the coach and the players.
[1:28:20] Speaker 1: The coach and the players, that can tell us if
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: that leader's good or not. Facts. That's it. That's it.
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: We can't sit on the outside and look and look
[1:28:30] Speaker 1: at games and see how they acting in.
[1:28:32] Speaker 6: The games and say who the goddamn leader and who's
[1:28:35] Speaker 6: doing a good job.
[1:28:38] Speaker 1: Right? They could be the ones speaking up in film. Yeah.
[1:28:42] Speaker 1: We don't know like, yo, hey, K-Mart, hey, it might
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: be the quietest thing on the team. Hey, K-Mart, hey,
[1:28:46] Speaker 1: we're about to go work out. You know, me just
[1:28:49] Speaker 1: at the gym. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right? And
[1:28:52] Speaker 1: then you might be the loud one in the game. Right?
[1:28:57] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: So it's... But, I mean, just the devil's advocate, that's
[1:29:01] Speaker 2: how you can ask certain people from a team. That
[1:29:03] Speaker 2: doesn't mean what they're telling you is the truth, right?
[1:29:05] Speaker 2: We've seen this throughout the history of time, right? Somebody, oh,
[1:29:09] Speaker 2: Sean's an asshole, whatever it may be.
[1:29:10] Speaker 1: That may be one teammate saying that. Five may disagree,
[1:29:14] Speaker 1: but I'm going to roll with that one because that's
[1:29:16] Speaker 1: the point.
[1:29:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, because we know him. We know him better than
[1:29:18] Speaker 3: the rest of them.
[1:29:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I said.
[1:29:19] Speaker 6: It's... It's not for us to question because we don't know.
[1:29:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not there.
[1:29:26] Speaker 6: We're not in the locker room to actually know who
[1:29:30] Speaker 6: is leading in the game, who is leading in practice,
[1:29:33] Speaker 6: who's leading.
[1:29:35] Speaker 1: Outside, right?
[1:29:36] Speaker 6: When we're traveling, that's a whole different leader. Hey, yo, hey, man,
[1:29:40] Speaker 6: I got dinner for everybody. Hey, we got dinner at
[1:29:43] Speaker 6: the Morton's.
[1:29:44] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:29:44] Speaker 6: He might not have no minutes in the game, but
[1:29:47] Speaker 6: he's keeping in everybody. Like, he senses some shit going on.
[1:29:51] Speaker 6: Instead of going to the team meeting, right, players meeting,
[1:29:54] Speaker 6: he's like, hey, man, we're going to go. I got
[1:29:55] Speaker 6: Morton's or I got a table at the club.
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: And boom, boom, boom. Meet me there. Right? You got
[1:30:00] Speaker 1: that guy.
[1:30:01] Speaker 3: That is leadership. Who can sense leaders....
[1:30:05] Speaker 1: More accurately.
[1:30:06] Speaker 3: Us or the media?
[1:30:08] Speaker 1: Us.
[1:30:08] Speaker 3: So we looking at the game, we can tell who
[1:30:11] Speaker 3: might be the leader of the team by the interaction
[1:30:15] Speaker 3: on the bench, talking to who, how they playing, who's
[1:30:18] Speaker 3: directing what. And even when you look at KD, he
[1:30:22] Speaker 3: might not say a word to nobody the whole game.
[1:30:24] Speaker 3: He might even be on the bench, you've never seen
[1:30:26] Speaker 3: him move his mouth. But everybody looking at him for direction,
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: what we doing?
[1:30:31] Speaker 1: What are we doing? Oh, he's looking at Book.
[1:30:33] Speaker 3: Now, Book, he look at Book, Book give us the order,
[1:30:35] Speaker 3: but we know the order came from KD.
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: And that happens too.
[1:30:40] Speaker 2: So speaking of people not in the locker room, we
[1:30:42] Speaker 2: asked to chat, is KD a leader?
[1:30:46] Speaker 1: Not a film, not in the locker room. 98% said no, watch.
[1:30:49] Speaker 2: Not in the video. 55% said yes, KD is a leader.
[1:30:54] Speaker 2: So one more follow-up to this. Can a team have
[1:30:57] Speaker 2: more than one leader? And in your opinion, what's the
[1:31:00] Speaker 2: cap on how many leaders, to be honest?
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: Everybody can't be the leader. Oh, no, you don't need
[1:31:03] Speaker 1: too many chefs. That's right.
[1:31:05] Speaker 3: You can have a couple.
[1:31:06] Speaker 1: You need some sous chefs. It all, listen, it all
[1:31:10] Speaker 1: depends on how the team is structured, right?
[1:31:15] Speaker 6: You know, some teams, you know, to be honest, some
[1:31:17] Speaker 6: teams are structured like a football team, right? You have,
[1:31:21] Speaker 6: you know, you have, like, the leader leader, right?
[1:31:26] Speaker 1: He can be the star player. Yeah.
[1:31:29] Speaker 6: Then you can have, goddamn, the defensive leader. You can
[1:31:32] Speaker 6: have the guy that's a locker room leader, right?
[1:31:34] Speaker 1: It's just different. It depends on how that team is structured.
[1:31:37] Speaker 6: Like when Pat Bev come, he's coming in in a
[1:31:40] Speaker 6: leadership role, right?
[1:31:42] Speaker 1: We got Giannis over there, right?
[1:31:43] Speaker 6: Dame was the leader over there, right? So now you
[1:31:46] Speaker 6: got three leaders on the same. One is the leader
[1:31:48] Speaker 6: with the coach, right?
[1:31:49] Speaker 1: Dame don't have the relationship with Doc, right? Giannis is overall.
[1:31:53] Speaker 6: Then you got Pat Bev that's coming in. That got
[1:31:55] Speaker 6: the relationship with Doc.
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: He's been there before. Hey, what's going on? Tell him what? Hey, hey, man, hey,
[1:31:59] Speaker 1: come on, man.
[1:32:00] Speaker 3: Oh, no, oh, no, oh, no. Right? I say Pat
[1:32:03] Speaker 3: more of a vet than a leader. He's like your
[1:32:05] Speaker 3: old man.
[1:32:06] Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying, no. Just throw that shit away.
[1:32:09] Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. When we talking about leadership,
[1:32:11] Speaker 1: it's like, hey, hey, when he was over in Philly.
[1:32:14] Speaker 3: No, no, no.
[1:32:15] Speaker 1: When he was over in Philly. What was the word? Hey, hey,
[1:32:18] Speaker 1: come on, big fella. You got to do some extra
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: line drills. We're running some line drills. We're going to
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: do some line drills. That's the leadership.
[1:32:23] Speaker 3: But the word was when he got the Milwaukee trying
[1:32:26] Speaker 3: that same shit and it wasn't flying.
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: It wasn't... Because you got other leaders. Like, oh, yeah. No, no, no.
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: Hold on.
[1:32:31] Speaker 3: Now you the vet.
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: You're just a good vet.
[1:32:34] Speaker 3: We can look at it.
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: We can look at it and say... The Nassus probably
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: is the locker room leader.
[1:32:41] Speaker 3: Maybe. Yeah.
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: Energy, all that. You know what I mean? Just looking like... Because.
[1:32:47] Speaker 3: The little.
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: Brothers don't listen to him, right?
[1:32:50] Speaker 6: So in the locker room, the Nazis might have the
[1:32:54] Speaker 6: upper hand.
[1:32:54] Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, come on, hey, come on,
[1:32:56] Speaker 1: come on. Come on, how you doing? You good? You
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: feel good?
[1:32:58] Speaker 6: Hey, hey, get him a towel. Like, that probably is
[1:33:01] Speaker 6: his role. And you going to be like, come on,
[1:33:04] Speaker 6: y'all know it.
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: Get him a towel. You know that guy.
[1:33:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, but... Hey, come on, man, keep your head up.
[1:33:08] Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on, man. Hey, come on, coach,
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: come on. We ready for you.
[1:33:11] Speaker 3: But I got to go back to what Kenyon was saying, though.
[1:33:14] Speaker 3: When he was checking the reporter... talking to the rookie
[1:33:18] Speaker 3: in the corner, not only is there leadership, but it's
[1:33:22] Speaker 3: the vet shit. If you don't have vets, to me
[1:33:25] Speaker 3: it's hard to say you have any leaders outside of
[1:33:28] Speaker 3: the best players. The best players usually either want to
[1:33:32] Speaker 3: be it or don't want to be it.
[1:33:34] Speaker 1: But outside of that, 50-50.
[1:33:36] Speaker 3: So then it's like, okay, who are our vets on
[1:33:39] Speaker 3: the team that's going to be able to get these
[1:33:41] Speaker 3: young dudes in line?
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: Who's teaching him how to be? Who's that? Like in Miami, right?
[1:33:47] Speaker 6: Miami, when he was going like, when D-Wade and all
[1:33:51] Speaker 6: of them left.
[1:33:52] Speaker 1: The leader was half of them. Yes. 100%. He wasn't
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: the best player. No.
[1:33:56] Speaker 3: He's the leader.
[1:33:57] Speaker 1: He learned from being with D-Wade. He learned from being
[1:34:00] Speaker 1: with Shaq, being with Zoe, being with LeBron James on
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: how when all you left, I know how to... Okay,
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: he's the best player. I need to challenge you. I
[1:34:14] Speaker 1: need to teach you how to be a leader to
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: lead them. That's what's missing in these locker rooms.
[1:34:20] Speaker 6: The locker room is missing the veteran who's going to
[1:34:23] Speaker 6: teach the young superstar how to lead them.
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: And that's what's missing. You have Luka, but Luka missed Dirk.
[1:34:38] Speaker 1: He didn't get to learn from Dirk. Dirt learned from
[1:34:43] Speaker 1: all these guys on how to be a leader, and
[1:34:45] Speaker 1: he didn't get to pass it on to Luka for
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: Luka to learn how to.
[1:34:49] Speaker 6: So you got Kyrie who's teaching him when Kyrie's still learning.
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:34:55] Speaker 3: What did Mike Finley try to do?
[1:34:58] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:34:59] Speaker 3: Give me that beer.
[1:35:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, get it out your hand.
[1:35:02] Speaker 3: Don't take a grown beer, though. Like you said, he
[1:35:05] Speaker 3: missed Dirk. He missed Mike. He missed the vets that
[1:35:08] Speaker 3: could have. But that's a vet coming to him saying,
[1:35:11] Speaker 3: what you doing, bro?
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: Get it out. I'll get that.
[1:35:13] Speaker 3: This ain't the championship game. We not about to do that.
[1:35:17] Speaker 3: But beer is like Gatorade in Slovenia.
[1:35:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. But that's the thing. Even with someone
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: like LeBron, right?
[1:35:28] Speaker 6: What they are learning from him is what Leadership, what longevity,
[1:35:33] Speaker 6: what a professional looks like. So even if they don't
[1:35:36] Speaker 6: become leaders, they understand how to be a professional and
[1:35:40] Speaker 6: what to look for and from a leader. So what
[1:35:43] Speaker 6: ends up happening is when LeBron is gone, those guys
[1:35:46] Speaker 6: are going to have a high standard for the next
[1:35:49] Speaker 6: superstar that comes in. Because I had LeBron James. He
[1:35:53] Speaker 6: came here at 130. 1.30, what the fuck, you coming
[1:35:57] Speaker 6: in here at 6.34, we got a 7.30 game.
[1:35:59] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, sir. You have to be
[1:36:03] Speaker 1: here at a certain time.
[1:36:04] Speaker 6: That's what the last leader taught us.
[1:36:07] Speaker 1: What to expect. This is high standard over here. You
[1:36:11] Speaker 1: got to sleep here. Yeah, damn near. You want to
[1:36:13] Speaker 1: beat him up? Sleep. When shoot around is over, God
[1:36:15] Speaker 1: damn it, don't go home. Right? And that's what leadership is, right?
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: And that's what the people who follow the leader is
[1:36:24] Speaker 1: going to expect from the next leader. So when Anthony
[1:36:26] Speaker 1: Davis and Anthony.
[1:36:27] Speaker 6: Davis take on that leadership, his shoes, the shoes he
[1:36:33] Speaker 6: got to feel is not the game play.
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: It's the preparation now. You have to prepare yourself. us
[1:36:40] Speaker 1: and yourself like a leader. So question for all you
[1:36:44] Speaker 1: guys on the couch.
[1:36:44] Speaker 2: Did you ever play with any guys who may have
[1:36:46] Speaker 2: thought they were a leader, but they were lying to themselves?
[1:36:49] Speaker 2: They tried to take on that leadership role, but it.
[1:36:52] Speaker 3: Was like, eh. For sure.
[1:36:56] Speaker 1: For sure. Randy Foy. I didn't need a name shot,
[1:36:59] Speaker 1: but I.
[1:37:00] Speaker 3: Keno Dan.
[1:37:01] Speaker 1: Come on, dog. He was the same age as y'all.
[1:37:03] Speaker 1: I know. What you doing? What you doing, man? Like
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: I had Antoine, right? Antoine was a leader. He was,
[1:37:13] Speaker 1: you know, professional, right? When you're talking about the prestige
[1:37:20] Speaker 1: of saying always the right things, dressing the right way,
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: looking the right way, I got to see what a
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: leader looks like, right? When you're saying, I pay you
[1:37:31] Speaker 1: to look a certain.
[1:37:32] Speaker 6: Way, and when you leave here, you're not going to
[1:37:35] Speaker 6: put A franchise in jeopardy.
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: That was... You know what I'm saying?
[1:37:40] Speaker 6: I mean, when you're talking about paying somebody and you're
[1:37:42] Speaker 6: talking about putting a stamp on somebody, you got to
[1:37:45] Speaker 6: make sure you are the leader here and you are
[1:37:48] Speaker 6: a leader when you leave here.
[1:37:50] Speaker 3: Facts.
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: That was Antoine Jamerson. Right? So when the leadership was
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: given to me, it's like... y'all sure like I drive
[1:38:00] Speaker 1: a hundred without the seatbelt god damn it right out
[1:38:05] Speaker 1: you know what I mean like I'm.
[1:38:08] Speaker 6: Gonna try I'm gonna try my best I'm gonna try
[1:38:11] Speaker 6: the best but god damn it I'm still me right
[1:38:13] Speaker 6: so it was one of those did.
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: You feel like you were a leader of those squads
[1:38:17] Speaker 1: no okay see no.
[1:38:19] Speaker 6: And I never but they knew that like I'm the
[1:38:22] Speaker 6: best player here I'm the franchise here I lead by
[1:38:27] Speaker 6: work ethic. But when you talking about like what to
[1:38:32] Speaker 6: look for no this don't look in this corner don't
[1:38:35] Speaker 6: look over here god damn it I'm not uh Like, I'm,
[1:38:39] Speaker 6: when practice come, God damn it, be honest, I already
[1:38:42] Speaker 6: practiced two times, so I'm here to fuck around now.
[1:38:45] Speaker 1: This is my office. Right, 7 to 11, God damn it.
[1:38:48] Speaker 1: What's happening? Where the party at? Man, I done worked
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: out twice already. You know what the fucked up thing is?
[1:38:54] Speaker 1: I didn't understand my bad habit.
[1:38:58] Speaker 6: Until probably a couple years ago when somebody asked me, like,
[1:39:01] Speaker 6: when you were playing around the locker room doing all this, why?
[1:39:07] Speaker 6: And I had to sit back and say, I'm in
[1:39:16] Speaker 6: the gym from.
[1:39:18] Speaker 1: Five to seven, seven to nine. By the time I
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: see my teammates, it's like recess. Yeah. It's recess. It's
[1:39:29] Speaker 1: recess for me not realizing it's fucking class work for them.
[1:39:34] Speaker 1: And I didn't understand that then. Like, I'm thinking about
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: that now.
[1:39:39] Speaker 6: Like, it's... I've been working out by myself this whole
[1:39:44] Speaker 6: time when human beings come in this motherfucker.
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: What's up, man? How y'all doing?
[1:39:49] Speaker 3: They trying to get ready, man.
[1:39:50] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:39:50] Speaker 4: Fuck all that.
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: So what'd you do last night? I would put you
[1:39:53] Speaker 1: out of practice. He was sheltered from everyone else. He
[1:39:57] Speaker 1: was just in the gym. I'm in the gym locked in.
[1:39:59] Speaker 3: And when I see other people.
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: You're like, oh, shit, other people. Hey, what you been doing?
[1:40:04] Speaker 1: What you been doing? I was getting ready for practice.
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: I don't know how the fuck that practice was. What
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: was it? What are we doing after this? It was
[1:40:12] Speaker 1: one of those and I didn't understand that's what I
[1:40:15] Speaker 1: was doing.
[1:40:15] Speaker 3: That's gym rat. That's what the kids need to understand
[1:40:18] Speaker 3: what a gym rat is. You've been in the gym
[1:40:20] Speaker 3: so much when you come out, you don't know what's
[1:40:22] Speaker 3: going on. Was what?
[1:40:24] Speaker 1: Huh? I don't know nothing about none of that.
[1:40:26] Speaker 3: I'm about to go back to the gym right now.
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: It's like I'm doing my work, not letting them do theirs.
[1:40:31] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:40:32] Speaker 1: Wonder why they can't motherfucking shoot. We talked about this
[1:40:34] Speaker 1: the same way about LeBron.
[1:40:36] Speaker 2: So if I'm one of your teammates, and I know
[1:40:37] Speaker 2: you in the gym from 5 to 9 a.m., why
[1:40:41] Speaker 2: am I not in there with you?
[1:40:42] Speaker 1: Why am I... So I think it works both ways.
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: Sometimes you're not invited.
[1:40:46] Speaker 2: But if I see Gil, and he's the franchise player,
[1:40:49] Speaker 2: leading scorer, all-star, all-NBA level player.
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: But we don't know that unless he tells us. Yeah,
[1:40:53] Speaker 1: they don't know I'm there. They don't know what time
[1:40:55] Speaker 1: he's getting there unless he invites them or he... Or
[1:40:58] Speaker 1: they ask, right?
[1:40:59] Speaker 6: No.
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: Ain't nobody going to ask what time he's getting there. Hey, Ken,
[1:41:02] Speaker 1: what time you work out outside of practice? Let's say
[1:41:06] Speaker 1: he don't work out. He going to make up some shit. Yeah,
[1:41:08] Speaker 1: I can move four to seven. Knowing damn well he
[1:41:10] Speaker 1: ain't four to seven because that's my time. Oh, okay.
[1:41:12] Speaker 1: I'm going to come work out with you. This nigga like, oh, shit.
[1:41:16] Speaker 1: That's what I... Oh, he's three in. I'm three in? Damn.
[1:41:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, you are three in.
[1:41:24] Speaker 1: Damn, I ain't over 300.
[1:41:25] Speaker 3: But that's the issue.
[1:41:25] Speaker 1: No one knows, but....
[1:41:30] Speaker 3: I was one of those.
[1:41:31] Speaker 6: Guys who asked the security, hey, what's everybody's time?
[1:41:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
[1:41:38] Speaker 1: Because I don't want to come in with somebody.
[1:41:39] Speaker 6: Because you got to remember, if someone's coming in late,
[1:41:42] Speaker 6: they don't want them. They coming in for their personal
[1:41:44] Speaker 6: to work about. They ain't coming in to fuck with you.
[1:41:46] Speaker 1: Don't come for, like that, like you'll see some people,
[1:41:48] Speaker 1: like let's say you're shooting, right? You start looking to
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: see what.
[1:41:52] Speaker 3: He's going to do. Like, he about to come over here.
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: I was getting ready to do full court stuff.
[1:41:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
[1:41:58] Speaker 1: Like, he'd be like, hey, you using this half? No,
[1:42:00] Speaker 1: I ain't using it. Same way as 44. You try to...
[1:42:03] Speaker 1: Come down here and have conversations. Yeah, you try to
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: stay out of everybody's... So just so, like, if he
[1:42:09] Speaker 1: get to the gym, right? Like, just... He always got
[1:42:13] Speaker 1: to the gym before people. But.
[1:42:16] Speaker 1: People don't know if he got there at 8, 9.
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: He could have got there 10 minutes before me. I
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: don't know. All I knew is I saw him in
[1:42:24] Speaker 1: the locker room. And I don't know what he's done
[1:42:27] Speaker 1: up to that point. If he get there after me,
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: I know he ain't did shit. Right? Unless he went
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: somewhere else. You're going where you can go. Dudes ain't
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: really going outside gyms on the season. Unless you... Mad
[1:42:45] Speaker 1: at the organization.
[1:42:46] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:42:46] Speaker 1: Unless you're mad at the organization, I'm staying away from these. Yeah,
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: but other than that, yeah, well, we don't know, right?
[1:42:53] Speaker 1: We don't know what time the guys that really are
[1:42:56] Speaker 1: putting the time in, working on their game, unless they
[1:42:59] Speaker 1: invite him. Or guys are staying after, right? We had, like,
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: Mello was an after guy, right? He going to stay there, motherfucker,
[1:43:07] Speaker 1: an hour and a half, two hours after. He didn't
[1:43:09] Speaker 1: practice the whole practice, right? Right. Oh, so he's practicing
[1:43:14] Speaker 1: his own practice. He's practicing his whole practice. He's practicing
[1:43:17] Speaker 1: the whole practice. Then he's going two hours after, right?
[1:43:22] Speaker 1: And he might come back later on and get some shots.
[1:43:24] Speaker 1: We don't know, right? We don't know what he's doing.
[1:43:27] Speaker 1: He had a gym in his house, too, so we
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: don't know. You don't know? Yeah.
[1:43:33] Speaker 6: And that's the thing. That's why when we talk about
[1:43:38] Speaker 6: greatness and you talk about leadership, It's a fine line
[1:43:48] Speaker 6: to call a great player a great leader. Because the
[1:43:55] Speaker 6: definition of leadership is you're bringing everybody with you, right? Now,
[1:44:04] Speaker 6: from a player standpoint, and you asked the Tom Brady's,
[1:44:09] Speaker 6: you worked out 12 hours a day.
[1:44:11] Speaker 1: Who did you invite? Right? Oh, nobody.
[1:44:16] Speaker 6: How can I say you was a great leader? You
[1:44:18] Speaker 6: invited nobody, right? You know, you're going to the gym three.
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: Four times. Who did you invite with you when you
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: were working out?
[1:44:28] Speaker 3: Nobody, right?
[1:44:30] Speaker 1: I see Michael Jordan. I see all your moves. You've
[1:44:34] Speaker 1: had how many teammates? Not one look like you. Not
[1:44:39] Speaker 1: one mimicked your behavior. Not one.
[1:44:43] Speaker 6: Had the same work ethic. Which means, for the most part,
[1:44:46] Speaker 6: they didn't know what you were doing. Day in and
[1:44:49] Speaker 6: day out.
[1:44:50] Speaker 1: You gave them a glimpse of it. You didn't give
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: them the whole shebang, right? Right, same thing with- Yeah,
[1:44:57] Speaker 1: when they started lifting weights, it was because- Yeah, all right, yeah,
[1:44:59] Speaker 1: we're gonna do the breakfast club. Breakfast club started at seven.
[1:45:04] Speaker 1: You started at three, though. You started at three, goddammit.
[1:45:08] Speaker 6: Now you over here doing a couple lifts knowing damn
[1:45:11] Speaker 6: well you did a whole regimen before we got here
[1:45:14] Speaker 6: because we know you want to be better than everybody
[1:45:17] Speaker 6: so you're not going to do exactly the same thing.
[1:45:19] Speaker 6: So that means you're going to put in work before
[1:45:21] Speaker 6: or after. You're going to be doing three times as much.
[1:45:26] Speaker 1: As we are. You know, and that's why, you know,
[1:45:30] Speaker 1: when we say.
[1:45:32] Speaker 6: Who did you make better The real question is who
[1:45:36] Speaker 6: did you invite with you when you were getting good
[1:45:39] Speaker 6: so they can.
[1:45:40] Speaker 1: Piggyback off your greatness?
[1:45:43] Speaker 6: But most stars want to train on them, they want
[1:45:46] Speaker 6: to train by themselves because most likely that is a
[1:45:50] Speaker 6: safe haven place for them. That's where they're going to
[1:45:53] Speaker 6: escape from whatever's going on. So I don't want to
[1:45:57] Speaker 6: be in the gym with you. I'm already in the
[1:45:59] Speaker 6: gym with you as a teammate. These three times is
[1:46:02] Speaker 6: my time to get away and work on my own demons.
[1:46:06] Speaker 3: So if I do invite you, that mean I really
[1:46:07] Speaker 3: like you?
[1:46:11] Speaker 1: Most likely. Or I trust you, at least. Or you're
[1:46:15] Speaker 1: trying to.
[1:46:17] Speaker 3: Or like Kobe. He used to invite.
[1:46:22] Speaker 1: A lot of... Test to see if I'd get up. See,
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: and that's Kobe. I'm testing if I can trust you.
[1:46:27] Speaker 6: Because for the most part, just like anything, I don't
[1:46:30] Speaker 6: know what you do once we leave. I don't know
[1:46:33] Speaker 6: who you are once we leave this gym.
[1:46:35] Speaker 1: We know who went. I want to see what kind
[1:46:37] Speaker 1: of work you do. So what you doing?
[1:46:41] Speaker 6: I just got to the gym. I just got from
[1:46:43] Speaker 6: the club. Okay, I just got from the gym.
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: What's up?
[1:46:46] Speaker 3: You coming?
[1:46:47] Speaker 1: Nah, nah, I'm going to take a nap. Bet. Bet?
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: All right. Bet. Never going to call you again, not
[1:46:53] Speaker 1: passing you the ball. You napping. You napping. Clubbing and napping.
[1:46:57] Speaker 6: I know you club, but are you still putting in
[1:46:59] Speaker 6: your fucking work? You come in here, you work for
[1:47:02] Speaker 6: two hours, then you can go to sleep.
[1:47:04] Speaker 1: Go to sleep right here. Go to sleep right here.
[1:47:07] Speaker 1: Wake up, work out, go home, go to sleep. And that's,
[1:47:11] Speaker 1: those are the tests. Well, Gil, you was the only
[1:47:13] Speaker 1: one during your playing career that didn't drink, really. You
[1:47:16] Speaker 1: can go to the club and then not need a nap.
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: Nothing better than a nap. No, but he would go out.
[1:47:25] Speaker 3: It's definitely not the same.
[1:47:26] Speaker 1: Gil would go out and not drink, though. Not go out,
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: not drink? Like, go out and not drink. And then
[1:47:31] Speaker 1: you can go work out. And go, remember, where we
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: going at? It's downtown, right?
[1:47:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: Shit, I done got a bunch of Red Bulls. I'm
[1:47:38] Speaker 1: about to go from the club to the gym. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:47:43] Speaker 1: All right, it's right there. So I still got extra.
[1:47:45] Speaker 6: I don't really feel sleepy like that. When we don't
[1:47:47] Speaker 6: play tomorrow, I go right to the gym, try to
[1:47:49] Speaker 6: get myself tired, then go home.
[1:47:51] Speaker 1: Got a little work in there. You ever been to
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: an NBA locker room? Yeah. That was my rookie year.
[1:47:57] Speaker 3: We got a steam room. We got a jacuzzi.
[1:48:00] Speaker 1: Got a movie theater in here. Had a few teammates,
[1:48:04] Speaker 1: brought some girls along. Hey, we done work in there, baby.
[1:48:07] Speaker 1: What the fool? Yeah, this Antwana Jameson, right? Yeah, that's right.
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: Told you I was teammates with him. Then you meet
[1:48:15] Speaker 1: her later and she tell you. Yeah, she met me.
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: I've been in y'all locker room. I've been in y'all
[1:48:19] Speaker 1: locker room. Who the fuck brought you in the locker room? Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm.
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: Know the security code. Yeah, me. Yeah, your locker seat
[1:48:29] Speaker 1: right here. You got pictures of your family. Mm-hmm.
[1:48:34] Speaker 3: I was one of those, man.
[1:48:36] Speaker 1: Bringing them to try to impress them.
[1:48:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in everybody's seat, too.
[1:48:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a refrigerator full of shit. Yeah. Take
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: it out and put something in your purse. Yeah, get
[1:48:43] Speaker 1: you a little soda, a little water, a little Gatorade bars. Yeah,
[1:48:48] Speaker 1: all in the koozie with the work.
[1:48:50] Speaker 3: All that. All that.
[1:48:51] Speaker 1: All that.
[1:48:52] Speaker 3: All that.
[1:48:53] Speaker 1: What? All in the hot tub.
[1:48:55] Speaker 3: All in the steam room.
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, your hot tub at your apartment building, trash. Trash.
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: This is clean.
[1:49:01] Speaker 3: Clean, sanitary.
[1:49:02] Speaker 1: Millionaires. Millionaires. Millionaires not clean and sanitary. The one at the...
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: Definitely not. One in the... Hey, this is where the
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: millionaires be, girl. Definitely ain't clean, nor sanitary.
[1:49:13] Speaker 3: Facts. It's better than the other one.
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: It's better than the other one. Because... The public was...
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: You in the NBA locker room with grown, nasty-ass grown men.
[1:49:19] Speaker 1: Nasty-ass men. She don't know that. What?
[1:49:21] Speaker 3: She don't know that.
[1:49:22] Speaker 1: I guarantee you didn't have a teammate or four that
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: been pissed in that hot tub. Facts. Nasty. Unnecessary. Nasty.
[1:49:32] Speaker 3: Nasty.
[1:49:33] Speaker 1: Facts. Nasty.
[1:49:34] Speaker 3: Still peeing in the pool.
[1:49:35] Speaker 1: Still peeing in the pool. I'm saying, but trying to
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: get a guy to.
[1:49:39] Speaker 6: You know how much energy it take to get out,
[1:49:41] Speaker 6: go to the.
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: Pee, wet the... If you didn't get back in there, like,
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: come on, man. Hey, man, hit them bubbles up. The
[1:49:49] Speaker 1: bubbles don't clean it. The bubbles don't clean it. Why
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: them bubbles yellow, man? Don't let them see it. Don't
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: let them see it. You got a nigga that's just
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: splashing for no reason. That's four. Just splashing. Why you
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: splashing for no reason? I don't want you to see
[1:50:05] Speaker 1: the yellow. Get it out of the way. Move. Speaking
[1:50:09] Speaker 1: of other things that are golden. Move it. Move it.
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: Move it. Everybody's seeing it. Move it. Oh, shit. We stupid, dog.
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: We nasty and dumb. Nasty.
[1:50:19] Speaker 3: Just nasty for no reason.
[1:50:21] Speaker 1: That's why shower shoes are very vital to your A, dog.
[1:50:25] Speaker 3: Anywhere you go.
[1:50:26] Speaker 1: If you've ever been in an NBA locker room and
[1:50:28] Speaker 1: one of your teammates didn't wear shower shoes. You'd be like, hey, man.
[1:50:31] Speaker 1: You come from the country.
[1:50:32] Speaker 3: You come from the country.
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: You are country as they come.
[1:50:38] Speaker 6: That's the one thing you better have on when somebody's
[1:50:43] Speaker 6: questioning your nasty.
[1:50:43] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[1:50:44] Speaker 3: Some candles, some something.
[1:50:47] Speaker 1: You in here barefoot? Oh, wait. You in the shower barefoot?
[1:50:53] Speaker 1: Who raised you? Who raised you? Ah! Absolutely raised you.
[1:51:01] Speaker 3: Who raised you?
[1:51:04] Speaker 1: Hey, you dropped the soap in the back. Man, give
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: me another bar, dawg. I'm not dropping that pissy-ass soap bar.
[1:51:11] Speaker 1: Kick it, kick it, kick it. It done hit the floor.
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: Kick that shit. You better not reach for that. I
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: learned from Marcus Campbell that I never did. I used
[1:51:19] Speaker 1: to wear my shower shoes all the time. I saw
[1:51:21] Speaker 1: him see with his shower shoes on, and he put
[1:51:23] Speaker 1: a towel down in the shower.
[1:51:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have too.
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: Absolutely. From here on out. Towel down. Hey, shower shoes on.
[1:51:31] Speaker 3: That's what you know.
[1:51:32] Speaker 1: Oh, he's a vet vet.
[1:51:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, vet vet.
[1:51:35] Speaker 1: He was like, yo, so.
[1:51:36] Speaker 6: Why you got the shower shoes, the socks, and the towel?
[1:51:39] Speaker 1: He said, hey, young fella, look right there. She peeing
[1:51:46] Speaker 1: in the fucking shower right there in front of your ass.
[1:51:49] Speaker 1: That's why you wear this shit. Aim for the drain.
[1:51:53] Speaker 1: Say less. Let's keep it moving.
[1:51:55] Speaker 3: Don't even ask me to look over me.
[1:51:57] Speaker 2: Steph Curry returned to the court after missing the last
[1:52:00] Speaker 2: three games dealing with an ankle issue. Warriors were surprising
[1:52:03] Speaker 2: 3-0 in Curry's absence after going 3-5 without him last season.
[1:52:07] Speaker 2: Chef Curry had 24 points in 24 minutes in a
[1:52:09] Speaker 2: road win over the Wizards, improving the Warriors' road record
[1:52:12] Speaker 2: of 4-0 in the early going. On the other side,
[1:52:15] Speaker 2: Curry's former teammate Jordan Poole led the Wiz with 24
[1:52:18] Speaker 2: points on 8 for 20 shooting. And one moment between
[1:52:21] Speaker 2: Poole and Draymond caught traction online. So, near the end
[1:52:26] Speaker 2: of the second quarter, Poole hit a three over Draymond's
[1:52:29] Speaker 2: outstretched arm and pointed at him as they came back
[1:52:33] Speaker 2: down the court, up the court. And then on the
[1:52:35] Speaker 2: next possession, Curry hit a three over Poole and Draymond
[1:52:43] Speaker 2: pointed back at him. as the team's headed to the
[1:52:46] Speaker 2: locker room at halftime. History between Poole and Draymond, well documented.
[1:52:52] Speaker 2: Draymond famously giving Poole a one-hitter quitter in practice before
[1:52:56] Speaker 2: the 22-23 season, leading to.
[1:52:59] Speaker 1: Poole's eventual trade a year later.
[1:53:01] Speaker 2: Can you talk shit to someone over a teammate shot instead.
[1:53:04] Speaker 1: Of your own? No. Yes. No. Yes. Poole hit the
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: shot at Draymond. No. Yes. No. No. Backpack. No.
[1:53:14] Speaker 3: Backpack.
[1:53:15] Speaker 1: I was going to wear it. I was going to
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: wear it. I was like, nah, not today.
[1:53:19] Speaker 3: Maybe tomorrow.
[1:53:20] Speaker 1: Because of the conversation the day before and the conversation
[1:53:27] Speaker 1: of 30 always carrying you, that's when you're supposed to
[1:53:36] Speaker 1: do it again. Mm-hmm. That's right there.
[1:53:39] Speaker 6: You hit the shot. It's just like the day before.
[1:53:44] Speaker 6: You hit the shot, right? Talking trash.
[1:53:47] Speaker 1: 30 hits the shot. And then you talking, that's when
[1:53:53] Speaker 1: you should have been like.
[1:53:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, he carrying.
[1:53:55] Speaker 1: 30 carrying again.
[1:53:56] Speaker 3: Still.
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: 30 carrying. That would have been me. Yeah. No one
[1:54:00] Speaker 1: didn't want to take that close run. Just back up
[1:54:02] Speaker 1: a little bit. Just whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[1:54:05] Speaker 6: But that is the same. You could have did it again.
[1:54:09] Speaker 3: Right. But what's up with, why would Draymond do that
[1:54:13] Speaker 3: when you didn't do anything but like pass the ball?
[1:54:17] Speaker 1: I mean, he had eight teams. I'm just saying that play,
[1:54:20] Speaker 1: the point. I scored on you.
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: You got an assist on the play. I scored on you.
[1:54:25] Speaker 1: You got an assist on the play. I got an
[1:54:27] Speaker 1: assist on you.
[1:54:28] Speaker 3: Come on, man.
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: See, if Steph probably would have saw him point at him,
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: Steph probably would have pointed at him, too.
[1:54:34] Speaker 3: Think so?
[1:54:34] Speaker 1: Hell yeah. Both pointed? A double? No, but Steph would
[1:54:36] Speaker 1: have did it instead. That would have been some... Drake
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: and J. Cole shit. But don't. But don't. Don't just
[1:54:42] Speaker 1: double team. Don't just double team me. Y'all push me
[1:54:44] Speaker 1: out the group. See, I got. See, Jordan.
[1:54:46] Speaker 3: You push me out the group. I didn't do nothing
[1:54:48] Speaker 3: to y'all. I like that now, dog.
[1:54:50] Speaker 1: I have to. Play basketball. No. No.
[1:54:54] Speaker 3: Oh, no.
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: I get it.
[1:54:55] Speaker 3: Oh, you sucker me first. Now, I'm privy to it now.
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: I'm safe.
[1:54:59] Speaker 3: What's up?
[1:55:00] Speaker 1: I'm safe. What's up?
[1:55:01] Speaker 3: We ain't suckering no more.
[1:55:03] Speaker 1: Still not a sucker punch. Give her what you say.
[1:55:05] Speaker 1: I'm safe. We are in the District of Columbia. I
[1:55:08] Speaker 1: can see it. I see it now. You on probation.
[1:55:11] Speaker 1: What's up? You on probation. Downstairs. If you're going to
[1:55:18] Speaker 1: do it, That is the, yes. This is the environment.
[1:55:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't, Draymond thought.
[1:55:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's, I got to feel the temperature. No. But
[1:55:29] Speaker 1: I'm balling. No. The thing is, I'm balling too. That's
[1:55:32] Speaker 1: why I said I'm balling too. I'm at home. I
[1:55:35] Speaker 1: get it. I wish you would. I got to talk
[1:55:38] Speaker 1: a little bit, like a little bit more than. Bro,
[1:55:42] Speaker 1: my troops is ready. No. I've been training the troops. No.
[1:55:45] Speaker 1: We play them. Listen to me. The troops ain't ready
[1:55:48] Speaker 1: for nothing. You know who my troops are?
[1:55:49] Speaker 3: The troops ain't ready for nothing. My pops over here.
[1:55:53] Speaker 3: Me and pops going to jump them. As soon as
[1:55:55] Speaker 3: he say something. He better not say clock. He better
[1:55:57] Speaker 3: not say nothing. Say it's a little clock or something.
[1:56:00] Speaker 3: Don't fix your.
[1:56:01] Speaker 1: My daddy watch me. Your troops see what he did
[1:56:04] Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, my troops is out of silver.
[1:56:06] Speaker 3: My troops see what he did to me. So my
[1:56:10] Speaker 3: troops is like, hey, man, he would never sucker punch
[1:56:15] Speaker 3: me like that.
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: Not a sucker punch.
[1:56:18] Speaker 3: So I know the bigger guys. I know the bigger
[1:56:20] Speaker 3: guys are like, come on over here.
[1:56:25] Speaker 1: And do that to me.
[1:56:27] Speaker 3: Who on the team?
[1:56:28] Speaker 1: On whoever team.
[1:56:30] Speaker 3: On who?
[1:56:30] Speaker 1: On the Wizards? Anybody gets sucker punches, like, yo, just
[1:56:33] Speaker 1: let me see it.
[1:56:34] Speaker 4: No, no, no.
[1:56:34] Speaker 1: Let me see it. The Wizards is like El Wizards.
[1:56:38] Speaker 1: That's cool. It's the French team. That's cool. And what
[1:56:42] Speaker 1: is the Warriors?
[1:56:43] Speaker 3: Bilal Koulibaly. What is the Warriors?
[1:56:45] Speaker 1: What is the Warriors?
[1:56:46] Speaker 3: Draymond is what?
[1:56:47] Speaker 1: Flint, Michigan. Saginaw. Damn. He is Saginaw, right? What that mean? Huh?
[1:56:53] Speaker 1: What that mean? Know where I was born? You tasting
[1:56:55] Speaker 1: that water over there? Hey, you know where I was born?
[1:56:57] Speaker 1: I've been in Saginaw. Hey, Trayvon. Hey, Meshaw, you know
[1:57:01] Speaker 1: where I was born? I don't. I don't. I was
[1:57:04] Speaker 1: born in Saginaw, Misha.
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: Like, you see how all.
[1:57:06] Speaker 1: I just still don't know what that means. No, you
[1:57:08] Speaker 1: see the water?
[1:57:10] Speaker 3: Clear, right?
[1:57:11] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:57:11] Speaker 6: Theirs is brown, and they still be like, eh. That's
[1:57:15] Speaker 6: a different mindset, bro. When they see it look brown,
[1:57:19] Speaker 6: like it's mixed with Hennessy a little bit, like a
[1:57:22] Speaker 6: little bit of Hennessy drop, and they still drinking it.
[1:57:25] Speaker 1: That right there mindset is a little different, right? Right? So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
[1:57:33] Speaker 3: So you know the way, so you, yo.
[1:57:35] Speaker 6: I don't want to mess with nobody from the deep.
[1:57:38] Speaker 1: So I'm sagging out Michigan and Oak Cliff mixed together,
[1:57:42] Speaker 1: and ta-da! Mm-hmm.
[1:57:45] Speaker 3: Yeah. Right? That's why when.
[1:57:49] Speaker 1: Somebody from Michigan said, hey, Detroit, they were like, Gil,
[1:57:54] Speaker 1: don't come here.
[1:57:54] Speaker 3: I was like, no problem.
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: I'm from Asheville. No one knows Asheville. But I own
[1:58:02] Speaker 1: a cemetery.
[1:58:04] Speaker 3: Where's your cemetery located? What color is your water? That's a...
[1:58:09] Speaker 3: We all somewhere where motherfuckers are doing shit. You know
[1:58:12] Speaker 3: what I'm saying? It's just what it is.
[1:58:14] Speaker 1: No, no. It don't make you no.
[1:58:16] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: You don't just get to hit people.
[1:58:19] Speaker 3: Charge it. You don't get to hit people.
[1:58:22] Speaker 1: I don't mean... You couldn't ask her to come get it?
[1:58:25] Speaker 6: No, the camera wasn't on me. So don't throw it
[1:58:29] Speaker 6: and then you put the camera. You do not like passing.
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: You do not like passing. Like I said, I'm throwing
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: it so the camera's on him. Keep it on him.
[1:58:37] Speaker 1: Don't put it on me. Yeah, of course. Me, me.
[1:58:40] Speaker 3: Me, me, bro. No, but I get what you're... For the.
[1:58:49] Speaker 1: He definitely should have did the backpack thing. Yeah. Right?
[1:58:52] Speaker 1: It was an ideal time. On my petty meter, absolute.
[1:58:56] Speaker 3: Just jump on it.
[1:58:57] Speaker 1: Right? Petty meter, he should have had a skit with
[1:59:01] Speaker 1: one of his teammates. He should have came up with something. Yes.
[1:59:07] Speaker 3: But.
[1:59:08] Speaker 1: It is Raymond. Yes. And Draymond thought process, hey, don't
[1:59:16] Speaker 1: forget what I did to you.
[1:59:18] Speaker 3: Hell, I hope that's not his mentality.
[1:59:21] Speaker 1: Oh, it is. I'm still here.
[1:59:22] Speaker 3: I hope not.
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: You don't think it?
[1:59:26] Speaker 3: I hope not. I just hope not.
[1:59:28] Speaker 1: Brother, did you see the video? No, I have.
[1:59:32] Speaker 3: Listen, I could criticize Dray, but I feel like he's
[1:59:35] Speaker 3: a more... He's a more... Stand up, dude.
[1:59:40] Speaker 1: He is. No, no, he is. He is. Even with
[1:59:43] Speaker 1: a short wick, I think. Yes. No, no, no. Circumstances hit.
[1:59:46] Speaker 1: He got a short wick.
[1:59:47] Speaker 3: You making a decision to do some crap. No, no, no.
[1:59:50] Speaker 3: You got to live with those decisions.
[1:59:51] Speaker 1: So if we're going to promote him, cool. But to me,
[1:59:54] Speaker 1: it's like. This is coming from somebody. It's the short wick.
[1:59:56] Speaker 1: I've had. Listen, I've been in the same situation. The
[1:59:58] Speaker 1: short wick is the problem. The situation with me and Tracy. Right.
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: Me and Matt get into it. I filed the shit
[2:00:06] Speaker 1: out of Max, so he had the right to react
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: that way. I shouldn't have punched, I shouldn't have been
[2:00:11] Speaker 1: the one to swing first, right? But I did, so
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: therefore I realized after the fact, I need to apologize
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: to that man, right? Like, you know, I was wrong, brother, da-da-da. Cool,
[2:00:21] Speaker 1: but in the moment, not registering that I should not
[2:00:27] Speaker 1: do this. Have Draymond done some things that he thought
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: about it before? Yes. But some of the things, it's
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: just reactionary. Yeah, you know what? To the moment, right?
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: Has he went, we thought like, damn, you couldn't, damn,
[2:00:44] Speaker 1: you didn't have to do that. Or, damn, Dre, you,
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: but some of this shit is just, it's just reactionary.
[2:00:52] Speaker 1: And you think about it after the fact, like, ah, maybe, yeah,
[2:00:57] Speaker 1: you know what? Or it takes for somebody else to
[2:01:00] Speaker 1: tell you, no, you was wrong. And then you be like,
[2:01:03] Speaker 1: you might argue in a moment, But then it really
[2:01:06] Speaker 1: seemed like, I'm pretty sure after he punched Jordan Poole
[2:01:10] Speaker 1: in practice, he went and been like, yeah, I probably
[2:01:14] Speaker 1: shouldn't have hit that dude. Right? Trust me. Because when
[2:01:19] Speaker 1: he hit him, in the moment, it might have felt great.
[2:01:21] Speaker 1: Trust me. And his ego said, I knocked that motherfucker out. Right?
[2:01:29] Speaker 1: The devil on his shoulder was like, I knocked that
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: motherfucker out. The angel, as soon as it happened, guaranteed
[2:01:37] Speaker 1: spoke to him.
[2:01:40] Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, you shouldn't have did that.
[2:01:45] Speaker 1: I'm out, man.
[2:01:46] Speaker 6: You know how crazy you got to be to foul
[2:01:49] Speaker 6: somebody hard?
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: He get up and say, hey, man, what the hell
[2:01:54] Speaker 1: are you doing? And then you punch him. Wow. You
[2:01:59] Speaker 1: do how crazy you got. Imagine me. Because I don't
[2:02:02] Speaker 1: know your intentions. The way he hopped up, I don't
[2:02:03] Speaker 1: know your intentions. You know my intentions.
[2:02:05] Speaker 3: No, I don't.
[2:02:06] Speaker 1: To jump up. Hey.
[2:02:07] Speaker 3: So there.
[2:02:08] Speaker 1: Relax. A punch could come with all that energy. See,
[2:02:11] Speaker 1: we didn't know that before. But I, see with me.
[2:02:13] Speaker 2: See, therefore.
[2:02:14] Speaker 1: We didn't know. We didn't know the aggressor. I want
[2:02:17] Speaker 1: to go give you that too. No, because that's not
[2:02:21] Speaker 1: a reality. That is not a reality. That's the water.
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: That's the water. You can be the aggressor. That's the
[2:02:26] Speaker 1: brown water.
[2:02:27] Speaker 3: There's no reality where you can be the aggressor and
[2:02:30] Speaker 3: then become the victim and then be the aggressor again.
[2:02:33] Speaker 3: There's no reality where that makes sense, where I want
[2:02:37] Speaker 3: beef with y'all, punch you on your face.
[2:02:39] Speaker 1: Hey, bro, I don't want nothing. Oh, you a punk-ass
[2:02:42] Speaker 1: nigga now. Pow! Bro, I just said I don't want none.
[2:02:46] Speaker 1: I just... And you just being aggressive with me for
[2:02:49] Speaker 1: no reason. Yes, but in the moment, right? When you
[2:02:54] Speaker 1: grow up in a certain environment, you done been in fights, right?
[2:02:57] Speaker 1: And when you done been punched first, and it hurt, right?
[2:03:03] Speaker 1: Been in a lot of fights. I ain't saying I've
[2:03:04] Speaker 1: won every fight I've ever been in, right? But wasn't
[2:03:09] Speaker 1: afraid to fight again. I done got punched, and from
[2:03:12] Speaker 1: being in them moments, talking and pushing, and the push
[2:03:17] Speaker 1: led to he ain't gonna push me and punch me.
[2:03:20] Speaker 3: The push-punch?
[2:03:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, like, no. Uh-huh. So therefore in moments, like I said,
[2:03:25] Speaker 1: I could be dead wrong, dog. Dead wrong. But the
[2:03:33] Speaker 1: narrative wasn't going to be that you, I'd rather ask
[2:03:38] Speaker 1: for forgiveness, damn, my bad, dog, right?
[2:03:42] Speaker 3: Than me.
[2:03:45] Speaker 1: Being on the receiving end of that. Because I don't
[2:03:48] Speaker 1: want your apology at that point. No, you got to
[2:03:51] Speaker 1: forgive me twice because you fouled me first hard. I did.
[2:03:54] Speaker 1: And then you punched me. I did. For fouling me.
[2:03:57] Speaker 1: You punched me for fouling me. And you're mad because
[2:04:01] Speaker 1: I got up like, oh, what the? Oh! I can
[2:04:04] Speaker 1: hit twice. Who? Who? Oh, my God. Think about what
[2:04:08] Speaker 1: he said. Who is this? And then realize, no, King,
[2:04:11] Speaker 1: that don't, no, no, no, no. Oh, no. Dude, what
[2:04:14] Speaker 1: did you play? Are you a sponsor? I have to apologize, right?
[2:04:17] Speaker 1: What are you? Boom.
[2:04:19] Speaker 6: You got to remember, when we get fouled hard, we
[2:04:24] Speaker 6: don't jump up necessarily to surprise.
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: We felt the hit. Right? What's wrong with you?
[2:04:30] Speaker 6: We felt the clothesline already, so we know what that
[2:04:34] Speaker 6: felt like.
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: We shocked. We just coming up to, like, just show
[2:04:36] Speaker 1: the team. Hey, I'm good.
[2:04:39] Speaker 3: I'm good.
[2:04:40] Speaker 1: We giving you the look. Like, hey, come on, man.
[2:04:42] Speaker 1: Watch yourself. Watch yourself. Get your back. Watch yourself. Like,
[2:04:46] Speaker 1: we got to. We never expected, like, the watch yourself
[2:04:51] Speaker 1: comes with a push. With a bow-bow. Like... Who raped him?
[2:04:55] Speaker 1: Why did you punch me? Who let him in the league?
[2:04:59] Speaker 1: Why did you punch me? How did he get through college?
[2:05:02] Speaker 1: Four years acting like this? Oh, my God. Those are
[2:05:07] Speaker 1: the stories that don't make it to the pros. Right?
[2:05:11] Speaker 6: Those are the ones that don't make it. Like, dude,
[2:05:14] Speaker 6: he was really talented. He could have been the next MJ,
[2:05:17] Speaker 6: but he had a temper.
[2:05:18] Speaker 1: That's that story. You got to go home.
[2:05:20] Speaker 3: You got to go home with your girlfriend. You got
[2:05:23] Speaker 3: to go.
[2:05:23] Speaker 1: Home and you go, what happened to you? I got
[2:05:26] Speaker 1: up like normal. Was it Kenyon? I got up like
[2:05:31] Speaker 1: I normally do when I get fouled hard. Hey, right?
[2:05:34] Speaker 1: We get the back and forth and that's it. Never
[2:05:36] Speaker 1: and once have I been hit after I.
[2:05:40] Speaker 3: We need to put some ice on that.
[2:05:42] Speaker 1: We need to put some ice on the I. We
[2:05:43] Speaker 1: wasn't even ready to defend nothing like that. I wasn't
[2:05:46] Speaker 1: even thinking about it. We walked right into that. Did
[2:05:48] Speaker 1: you see it coming? No. He hit me with six.
[2:05:53] Speaker 3: I didn't even know he had six with him. Six
[2:05:55] Speaker 3: people or six punches?
[2:05:57] Speaker 1: Which one was it? Hey, man. That's when you go
[2:06:01] Speaker 1: home and you start asking your girls, oh, shit. So,
[2:06:06] Speaker 1: you know him? No, no, I'm just... No, he mad
[2:06:09] Speaker 1: at me. No, no, because I'm just saying... He mad
[2:06:11] Speaker 1: at me. What I'm saying is he fouled me hard
[2:06:13] Speaker 1: like it was personal.
[2:06:14] Speaker 3: He looked at me.
[2:06:14] Speaker 1: I got up. What's up? And then he hit me again.
[2:06:18] Speaker 1: So now I'm trying... I don't know him personally, so
[2:06:21] Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, you know, is y'all dating
[2:06:23] Speaker 1: this guy? Because this is... It was very, very aggressive.
[2:06:27] Speaker 1: This is very personal. Very aggressive. He didn't waste a second.
[2:06:32] Speaker 1: He got up and punched me. This is personal. Let's
[2:06:35] Speaker 1: shift it to something positive. This ain't the neighborhood. Something
[2:06:38] Speaker 1: positive on the Draymond and Poole front. So, so far
[2:06:40] Speaker 1: this season, Poole's averaging 23 points a game, five assists,
[2:06:43] Speaker 1: and a league-leading 2.8 steals per game on 45-45-92 shooting splits.
[2:06:49] Speaker 1: Five more points than he averaged in his first season
[2:06:52] Speaker 1: in Washington. Poole is leading the team in.
[2:06:54] Speaker 2: Scoring and second field goal attempts behind Kyle Kuzma. So
[2:06:58] Speaker 2: even Draymond remarked on Poole's improved play this season in
[2:07:01] Speaker 2: a post-game interview.
[2:07:02] Speaker 1: He's playing better. He's playing a lot better.
[2:07:04] Speaker 4: You know, I think his shot selection, you know, you
[2:07:08] Speaker 4: come to a new situation.
[2:07:12] Speaker 1: I've never done it, but I've watched a lot of it.
[2:07:16] Speaker 4: But as a competitor, you just want to show everything
[2:07:18] Speaker 4: that you can do. You want to show that you're
[2:07:20] Speaker 4: the guy. And I think last year he was pressing
[2:07:22] Speaker 4: a lot. He just wanted it to happen so bad.
[2:07:26] Speaker 4: And this year he's a lot more settled in. He's
[2:07:29] Speaker 4: not taking some of the shots that he was taking
[2:07:32] Speaker 4: last year. They were bad shots. And I don't think
[2:07:37] Speaker 4: it was a matter of selfishness. I think it was
[2:07:40] Speaker 4: a matter of wanting it so bad to prove to
[2:07:43] Speaker 4: people that I can have my own team, that I
[2:07:45] Speaker 4: can come here and be successful, that it ends up
[2:07:48] Speaker 4: working against you.
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: He said he never experienced it.
[2:08:02] Speaker 3: Why are you giving this dude advice? It's something you
[2:08:04] Speaker 3: never experienced. You're giving this nigga advice, bro.
[2:08:11] Speaker 1: It's weird.
[2:08:13] Speaker 3: It's weird. I mean, he was on concussion protocol for
[2:08:18] Speaker 3: a whole year.
[2:08:19] Speaker 1: Like....
[2:08:21] Speaker 3: They had to put the big helmet on Jordan during
[2:08:23] Speaker 3: practices that they'd be wearing in the football games.
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: They'd be wearing the big cushion helmet.
[2:08:27] Speaker 3: Talking about, your vision is blurred.
[2:08:31] Speaker 1: His vision was blurred for 82 games, right? He could
[2:08:33] Speaker 1: barely see. He was throwing it in the ocean. No,
[2:08:37] Speaker 1: he took some bad. I mean, what he's saying... You
[2:08:41] Speaker 1: can't say you don't experience it, then you give the explanation.
[2:08:43] Speaker 1: I get that point. He was taking some horrible shots, right?
[2:08:48] Speaker 1: He played very bad. He played like a six-man. We
[2:08:53] Speaker 1: talked about it. Yeah, he played like, you know, come in,
[2:08:57] Speaker 1: win a penalty, change the tempo. Yeah, I bet he
[2:08:59] Speaker 1: took some of the same shots in Golden State.
[2:09:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I said.
[2:09:02] Speaker 1: He took the same shots, it's just not, you're a starter.
[2:09:04] Speaker 3: It's the same team. You know what I mean?
[2:09:06] Speaker 1: You got to play starter basketball. The erratic behavior basketball, like, right?
[2:09:12] Speaker 1: It's like... You want to come off the bench?
[2:09:15] Speaker 6: And when he came off the bench, he was popping again.
[2:09:18] Speaker 3: Did he start this game against them?
[2:09:20] Speaker 1: No, no, no. He started, like, you know, last year
[2:09:21] Speaker 1: they broke him off the bench for a couple games. And,
[2:09:24] Speaker 1: you know, it was a weird one for him because
[2:09:27] Speaker 1: usually six men don't turn the starters over.
[2:09:31] Speaker 3: They was trying to put him back in the same
[2:09:33] Speaker 3: position to see if he could play well.
[2:09:34] Speaker 1: No, it was like, yeah.
[2:09:36] Speaker 3: It was like J.R.
[2:09:37] Speaker 6: Smith early, right, as a sixth man, and then say,
[2:09:39] Speaker 6: here's your own team.
[2:09:41] Speaker 1: That never happens.
[2:09:43] Speaker 3: You talking about the Hornets, New Orleans?
[2:09:45] Speaker 1: No, just period. Just period. No one's ever been.
[2:09:48] Speaker 6: What happened to Jordan Poole is kind of rare.
[2:09:52] Speaker 1: Who has it happened to? A sixth man that just inherits...
[2:09:57] Speaker 1: James Harden? I'm saying other than James... But he knew
[2:10:02] Speaker 1: how to play basketball. He did, but I'm saying other
[2:10:04] Speaker 1: than James.
[2:10:06] Speaker 1: What six men that we know of that played that
[2:10:10] Speaker 1: role consistently for good teams, right? That turned and had
[2:10:15] Speaker 1: their own team. The next year. The next year. And
[2:10:20] Speaker 1: succeeded at it. But just even had their own team.
[2:10:24] Speaker 1: And the good ones that we speak of, they remained
[2:10:28] Speaker 1: six men for the duration of their career.
[2:10:32] Speaker 3: What year was that? Did James did it? Fourth year?
[2:10:35] Speaker 3: Third year.
[2:10:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, going, I think it's fourth year he ended up in... Houston. Yeah.
[2:10:41] Speaker 3: I think it just happened a little early for Jordan Poole.
[2:10:43] Speaker 1: Entering year four. Entering year four. Same thing with Jordan Poole.
[2:10:47] Speaker 1: It was fourth year? Year four?
[2:10:48] Speaker 3: Or year three?
[2:10:49] Speaker 1: Year four.
[2:10:50] Speaker 3: Jordan Poole.
[2:10:51] Speaker 1: Year four, whatever. It was about the same amount of time. Sorry, son. Yeah,
[2:10:54] Speaker 1: it was about the same amount of time. But, like,
[2:10:56] Speaker 1: even when James came in, he still pleaded. Like year
[2:11:00] Speaker 1: five for poor him. Yeah. Year five. Year five. So
[2:11:02] Speaker 1: last year or this year? Year six. This is just
[2:11:06] Speaker 1: so last year. He was going to year five. So therefore. Yeah,
[2:11:08] Speaker 1: he was stuck. First four with the Warriors.
[2:11:11] Speaker 3: And the timeline matches up.
[2:11:14] Speaker 1: It wasn't like you was on the sixth man on
[2:11:16] Speaker 1: a bad team. You was on the sixth man on
[2:11:18] Speaker 1: a really good team that was winning championship teams, and
[2:11:21] Speaker 1: you didn't learn shit. That's what the big issue was
[2:11:23] Speaker 1: last year. You could have stepped into that situation last
[2:11:27] Speaker 1: year and done a whole lot different. And we all
[2:11:30] Speaker 1: thought that you would have, being from where you came from,
[2:11:33] Speaker 1: which was the organization that you came from. If you
[2:11:36] Speaker 1: was playing that role in a bad organization, we all
[2:11:39] Speaker 1: would have been like, ah, okay. But you came from
[2:11:42] Speaker 1: the Warriors where people held them to a higher standard
[2:11:44] Speaker 1: at that point.
[2:11:46] Speaker 3: Well, he's the only one we could really say that
[2:11:49] Speaker 3: came from the Warriors that had the ability to actually
[2:11:51] Speaker 3: have their own team for.
[2:11:53] Speaker 1: The first time. That's what I'm saying.
[2:11:54] Speaker 3: That's rare. Yeah, the whole critique of it is rare.
[2:11:58] Speaker 3: Even if it's fair, it may be fair, but it's
[2:12:00] Speaker 3: still fair.
[2:12:00] Speaker 1: Because we're looking at the fact that you had Steph
[2:12:03] Speaker 1: in front of you, right?
[2:12:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you look at it and you say.
[2:12:06] Speaker 1: So you should learn something.
[2:12:07] Speaker 3: Sean Livingston, all those guys who never left that team
[2:12:11] Speaker 3: to be something else, Jordan.
[2:12:12] Speaker 1: Poole was probably the first one. No, but they drafted
[2:12:15] Speaker 1: Jordan Poole, though. That's what I'm saying.
[2:12:16] Speaker 3: He's the first one. They didn't draft Sean Livingston.
[2:12:18] Speaker 1: Or any of the guys. J.R. Smith, Nick Young. Those
[2:12:20] Speaker 1: guys were inherited to those teams. Right. So for you
[2:12:23] Speaker 1: to draft a guy... and you would come in as
[2:12:25] Speaker 1: a rookie, as a baby, and this is already a
[2:12:27] Speaker 1: winning organization already when you step foot in the door.
[2:12:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not priming. I'm thinking he's not priming himself
[2:12:34] Speaker 3: to leave the organization to go be anything.
[2:12:37] Speaker 1: But you should be in love. Yes, I hear you, but...
[2:12:41] Speaker 1: You should be learning something in the process. I think
[2:12:43] Speaker 1: he was. What we were talking about earlier about leadership, right?
[2:12:45] Speaker 1: It just wasn't to be a leader.
[2:12:47] Speaker 3: No, but what was he learning?
[2:12:49] Speaker 1: He was learning his role. Yeah, he wasn't ready for
[2:12:52] Speaker 1: his role. My role is come in with three minutes
[2:12:54] Speaker 1: left in the corner, be hot, and get high. I'm
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: Vinnie Johnson. Yes, but picking up good behavior in the process.
[2:13:05] Speaker 1: You ain't got to use them. You got to fucking
[2:13:08] Speaker 1: use them. But you watching the shots that these dudes
[2:13:11] Speaker 1: take when the game on the line. You can move
[2:13:13] Speaker 1: when you learning those things. You should be. That's what
[2:13:16] Speaker 1: we expect.
[2:13:17] Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for my time to take those shots.
[2:13:19] Speaker 1: So that's my point.
[2:13:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was saying. I'm saying he literally
[2:13:23] Speaker 3: wasn't ready yet.
[2:13:24] Speaker 1: He didn't learn nothing. Because he wasn't ready.
[2:13:26] Speaker 3: He was still looking like, I can't.
[2:13:30] Speaker 1: Wait to shoot shots like that. But think about it.
[2:13:32] Speaker 1: Year four, we won. Yeah, should have been doing that.
[2:13:36] Speaker 1: Me shooting shots like that. So therefore, you're going into
[2:13:38] Speaker 1: your five.
[2:13:39] Speaker 3: I'm not thinking about leaving this team. I'm thinking about
[2:13:42] Speaker 3: keeping my role. Maxie started off as a sixie.
[2:13:44] Speaker 6: See, Maxie's different because he started off as a six man,
[2:13:47] Speaker 6: got into.
[2:13:47] Speaker 1: A starting role, had different minutes. You know, got to
[2:13:51] Speaker 1: be the leader a couple games, right?
[2:13:54] Speaker 6: So he's adjusted, right? It wasn't six-man starter.
[2:13:59] Speaker 1: Your own team, not another starter there. Your own team.
[2:14:02] Speaker 6: And he coming in preseason thinking like, yeah, man, I'm.
[2:14:06] Speaker 1: About to take like 75 shots, brother. And then it's
[2:14:09] Speaker 1: 75 shots as a six-man. Yeah. It's six, man. I'm
[2:14:17] Speaker 1: about to do the double-double script over here. You know
[2:14:20] Speaker 1: what I mean? Go out of bounds.
[2:14:21] Speaker 6: That's James Harden in preseason. James Harden at UCLA. No, Poo,
[2:14:28] Speaker 6: you can't do that.
[2:14:31] Speaker 1: You can't work on that. These games count. This is
[2:14:35] Speaker 1: going on our record.
[2:14:37] Speaker 6: When we sub you out, Steph Curry and Klay ain't
[2:14:39] Speaker 6: coming back here.
[2:14:40] Speaker 1: It's you.
[2:14:42] Speaker 2: Let's keep this moving. We got some breaking news to report.
[2:14:45] Speaker 2: Just came down based on that Embiid story about the
[2:14:49] Speaker 2: altercation with the reporter this past weekend. NBA announced they
[2:14:53] Speaker 2: have suspended Joel Embiid for three games. For that altercation
[2:14:57] Speaker 2: was Sixers beat reporter Marcus Hayes in the locker.
[2:15:00] Speaker 1: Room over the weekend. The NBA or the Sixers did?
[2:15:02] Speaker 2: The National Basketball Association. NBA head of basketball ops Joe
[2:15:06] Speaker 2: Dumar said in a statement, mutual respect is paramount to
[2:15:09] Speaker 2: the relationship between players and media in the NBA. While
[2:15:12] Speaker 2: we understand Joel was offended by the personal nature of
[2:15:15] Speaker 2: the original version of the reporter's column, interactions must remain
[2:15:20] Speaker 2: professional on both sides and can.
[2:15:22] Speaker 1: Never turn physical. Did the reporter get suspended? We have
[2:15:28] Speaker 1: no word on the reporter. Did they revoke his media credit? Yeah,
[2:15:31] Speaker 1: because it don't matter. They put it out there like, yeah,
[2:15:35] Speaker 1: it's all him. It ain't got nothing to do with
[2:15:37] Speaker 1: the other side.
[2:15:37] Speaker 2: So three-game suspension, a fair punishment for Embiid for his actions?
[2:15:41] Speaker 3: No.
[2:15:42] Speaker 1: You do not agree with it? No, because the team
[2:15:44] Speaker 1: put him at risk, man. So I'm going to stand
[2:15:46] Speaker 1: on that, man. Like, I'm standing on that the Kevin,
[2:15:51] Speaker 1: whatever his name is, he should not have had a
[2:15:53] Speaker 1: media pass for Saturday, man. He should not have. I'm
[2:15:56] Speaker 1: going to stand on that. Marcus has. Marcus, Kevin, Marcus, Edward,
[2:16:01] Speaker 1: whatever his goddamn name is. He should not have had
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: a media pass. This is very, very... When does the
[2:16:11] Speaker 1: three games count? Well, that's, Gil, I know you're an
[2:16:14] Speaker 1: expert at loopholes. I would just be like, hey, Joel's
[2:16:17] Speaker 1: ready to go right now. Right now. Clear.
[2:16:19] Speaker 3: Do my three right now while I'm doing this. Tomorrow.
[2:16:22] Speaker 1: Tomorrow. And I'm going to be honest. I'm going to
[2:16:25] Speaker 1: be honest. I'm going to do it on this road trip.
[2:16:30] Speaker 1: We're going to have to talk about you actually taking
[2:16:36] Speaker 1: this money from me. You definitely should appeal it. Where's
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: the union? No, no, no. What I'm saying is because
[2:16:42] Speaker 1: you're the NBA. You said three games. You write my check.
[2:16:50] Speaker 1: Who paying? Am I getting fined for this? Game check.
[2:16:54] Speaker 1: You write my check. Game check. Just three game checks.
[2:16:57] Speaker 3: Where's the union?
[2:16:58] Speaker 1: So I'm not looking at you.
[2:16:59] Speaker 3: I'm looking at you. Hey, boss man.
[2:17:01] Speaker 6: So you're not going to give me my money?
[2:17:07] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. There's going to be three games where I'm
[2:17:10] Speaker 1: healthy and I'm getting my check back. Where is Embiid?
[2:17:17] Speaker 1: I used to have a problem with the organization when
[2:17:19] Speaker 1: they did that, right? Let's say... I remember I'm talking
[2:17:22] Speaker 1: to Ernie Greenfield and we used to do the idea,
[2:17:25] Speaker 1: you know, petty... It was just stupid fines, right? $ 2, 500 here, right?
[2:17:30] Speaker 1: You're late on the bus or you're one minute late,
[2:17:34] Speaker 1: we're going to fine you $ 5, 000. And I said....
[2:17:39] Speaker 6: What is the point? It's not enough money to change
[2:17:43] Speaker 6: the behavior. It's enough money to piss me off. Keep
[2:17:48] Speaker 6: doing right you keep fucking with me yeah right you're
[2:17:50] Speaker 6: sitting here i got fine notes on my chair for
[2:17:53] Speaker 6: something like the fuck is this yeah right and i
[2:17:55] Speaker 6: remember we had a uh we had ted ted tap
[2:17:58] Speaker 6: scott and he was like yeah i'm finding you i
[2:18:01] Speaker 6: said i'm gonna fuck what you.
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: Do with that I know it better not be out
[2:18:04] Speaker 1: of my check. You can write this slip all you want,
[2:18:07] Speaker 1: send it up there. I know one thing, they better
[2:18:10] Speaker 1: not take it out of my check. Because I get
[2:18:13] Speaker 1: paid per game, and there's going to be a game
[2:18:15] Speaker 1: where I'm going to be plus. There's going to be
[2:18:18] Speaker 1: my ankle hurt. So stop playing. You know what I mean?
[2:18:23] Speaker 1: Stop playing with people, man.
[2:18:25] Speaker 6: The league, this is not your problem. Remember I said,
[2:18:29] Speaker 6: if I'm the team, I'm coming in first.
[2:18:30] Speaker 1: I'm with you. This is... Owners, listen, you have to
[2:18:37] Speaker 1: understand there's two entities. There's your team and then there's
[2:18:42] Speaker 1: the NBA. You have to always beat the NBA to
[2:18:49] Speaker 1: the punch because they don't have your best interests. Right?
[2:18:53] Speaker 6: So if this happened in my locker room, hey, y'all, yeah,
[2:18:58] Speaker 6: 76ers are going to suspend him for three games. So
[2:19:01] Speaker 6: y'all don't have to say it. Once I penalize him,
[2:19:03] Speaker 6: you can't come in now.
[2:19:04] Speaker 1: Did the two games. Right?
[2:19:05] Speaker 6: You can't do nothing. I'm going to give him two,
[2:19:07] Speaker 6: three games, right? Hey, hey, we'll figure that shit out.
[2:19:11] Speaker 6: I just said it for the press.
[2:19:12] Speaker 1: I'm not fining you. I'm not going to piss off
[2:19:15] Speaker 1: my own player. I'm already fucking don't know when he's
[2:19:18] Speaker 1: going to come back.
[2:19:19] Speaker 6: I'm not going to add to him fucking with him emotionally.
[2:19:23] Speaker 6: Now he's missing games. Now I just added three games
[2:19:26] Speaker 6: to it. Now I get to take his shit.
[2:19:29] Speaker 1: But why do you get to provoke me? Why do
[2:19:33] Speaker 1: you get... to poke the bear and the bear don't
[2:19:36] Speaker 1: get to knock your fucking head off. Part of the job.
[2:19:39] Speaker 3: I'm so confused.
[2:19:40] Speaker 1: Part of the job. We know, we know you can poke,
[2:19:44] Speaker 1: I can't bite. This a zoo, huh? You can, it's
[2:19:48] Speaker 1: just gonna cost you three games. It's like the zoo.
[2:19:53] Speaker 1: What do they do? Right?
[2:19:54] Speaker 3: Hit the cage.
[2:19:55] Speaker 1: You can do whatever the fuck you want to do.
[2:19:59] Speaker 1: If that tiger bite, it's the tiger you can put down.
[2:20:02] Speaker 3: Right? There's a lesson in psychology where.
[2:20:08] Speaker 1: People have a perception of you. You're this fucking asshole dude.
[2:20:12] Speaker 3: Right?
[2:20:13] Speaker 1: You don't have that perception of yourself.
[2:20:16] Speaker 3: But in order for it to be true for them,
[2:20:18] Speaker 3: They got to provoke you to act that way.
[2:20:21] Speaker 1: How do you do that?
[2:20:23] Speaker 3: Let me trigger you so you can show me what
[2:20:25] Speaker 3: they told me you act like. I'll be chilling until
[2:20:29] Speaker 3: you start poking the bear. Then he turned into the
[2:20:32] Speaker 3: real bear to eat.
[2:20:33] Speaker 1: Your head off. Now you like, look, look, I told you.
[2:20:37] Speaker 1: Look at how you act. I told you he was
[2:20:39] Speaker 1: going to do that. But you didn't tell us you
[2:20:41] Speaker 1: was going to poke him. You didn't tell us that.
[2:20:44] Speaker 3: You didn't tell us the only way to get a
[2:20:46] Speaker 3: reaction out of the bear was to poke it. You
[2:20:49] Speaker 3: told us that you was going to walk around a
[2:20:50] Speaker 3: bear dancing and he was just going to bite you.
[2:20:52] Speaker 1: He sleep. He hibernating. But as soon as you took
[2:20:56] Speaker 1: that little stick and you said, let's see if he
[2:20:58] Speaker 1: wake up. You know, it's one of those things, man, is.
[2:21:06] Speaker 6: Even though we don't ask for it, we get paid
[2:21:10] Speaker 6: to do it. we get paid not to react, right?
[2:21:15] Speaker 6: We're supposed to, like being a professional athlete, we're supposed.
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: To be a punching bag to everybody.
[2:21:25] Speaker 3: Women too.
[2:21:26] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yo, let me ask you. Right?
[2:21:30] Speaker 3: Say anything to me.
[2:21:31] Speaker 1: I got to just take it. Fans want to throw
[2:21:33] Speaker 1: some shit on us and do all this. It's the
[2:21:35] Speaker 1: dunk tank. Yep.
[2:21:36] Speaker 3: That's where you got to sit there and wait until
[2:21:37] Speaker 3: they dunk you.
[2:21:38] Speaker 1: It's the dunk tank. That's crazy. Right? Think about it.
[2:21:42] Speaker 1: If a fan came up and slapped you, you suing? No,
[2:21:47] Speaker 1: you got to take the hit and keep on moving
[2:21:49] Speaker 1: and do all this shit. That's what they expect. You
[2:21:51] Speaker 1: pinching it. Millions. Next question. We saw the Joel Embiid interview.
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: when he was, before this incident. Is it me or
[2:22:04] Speaker 1: did he sound frustrated? Frustrated. Right? Everything I've done for
[2:22:12] Speaker 1: this city.
[2:22:13] Speaker 6: See, I don't even want to ask you to ask
[2:22:15] Speaker 6: you something like that. I want to know what happened
[2:22:20] Speaker 6: between the Olympics and him losing 25 pounds.
[2:22:24] Speaker 1: Right? That is, that... That is a very important time
[2:22:30] Speaker 1: because something happened to the point where we have him
[2:22:35] Speaker 1: here now. Yeah. He not playing. And he's not playing.
[2:22:38] Speaker 1: Something happened for sure. Everything looked like it's spiraling.
[2:22:41] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[2:22:42] Speaker 1: Right? This doesn't look like he's getting back healthy. We're
[2:22:47] Speaker 1: getting ready for it. It seems like it's just something
[2:22:51] Speaker 1: getting worse. And you look at him sitting on the bench,
[2:22:54] Speaker 1: he don't look happy. He looks just frustrated.
[2:22:56] Speaker 6: This has been a bad couple months.
[2:23:00] Speaker 3: You think he's being told not to play?
[2:23:02] Speaker 1: No. No. I think some... No, I don't think that.
[2:23:06] Speaker 3: He wants to play and they're telling him? No, no, no.
[2:23:09] Speaker 1: I just think he's hurt. I think he's hurt. You
[2:23:11] Speaker 1: know that frustration? Like, you know, goddamn, you know, shit
[2:23:14] Speaker 1: just keep fucking, you know. But you're down 25 pounds,
[2:23:17] Speaker 1: which means you're lighter.
[2:23:19] Speaker 3: You worked on that.
[2:23:19] Speaker 1: You worked on getting that weight off and you get
[2:23:21] Speaker 1: hurt in the process. And that's what I... You re-aggravate
[2:23:24] Speaker 1: whatever was that knee in the process.
[2:23:27] Speaker 3: So why can't we know about it?
[2:23:29] Speaker 1: It's a setback. Why? I don't know. That's what I'm saying.
[2:23:31] Speaker 3: Do we deserve to know?
[2:23:32] Speaker 1: No. Setback.
[2:23:35] Speaker 3: Now we don't know what's wrong.
[2:23:36] Speaker 1: Now the setback, now everybody's talking.
[2:23:38] Speaker 3: We don't know what's wrong.
[2:23:38] Speaker 1: No, no, think about it. Like, let's say it's what
[2:23:42] Speaker 1: we're saying. He got hurt training and getting ready for
[2:23:45] Speaker 1: the season, right, losing the pounds, right, and he ended
[2:23:48] Speaker 1: up getting hurt, but they're not really saying anything. Now
[2:23:51] Speaker 1: all the reporters are talking about, you shouldn't have played
[2:23:53] Speaker 1: in the Olympics.
[2:23:54] Speaker 3: Absolutely.
[2:23:54] Speaker 6: As much as you want to say, not these motherfuckers, right,
[2:23:57] Speaker 6: he was overworking me, trying to get me down.
[2:24:00] Speaker 1: You can't say it, so you're sitting there fucking frustrated.
[2:24:03] Speaker 1: You're stuck. You're stuck.
[2:24:03] Speaker 3: All right, because you can't tell the truth. Everybody thinks
[2:24:05] Speaker 3: it's on you.
[2:24:06] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:24:06] Speaker 3: There's got to be something like that.
[2:24:07] Speaker 6: And then from there, now you got the reporter. You're
[2:24:09] Speaker 6: losing games. This and that.
[2:24:10] Speaker 1: It's not.
[2:24:11] Speaker 3: Teammates not saying nothing. Nobody can say nothing.
[2:24:13] Speaker 6: The season ain't starting off championship mode.
[2:24:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:24:17] Speaker 3: Not at all.
[2:24:19] Speaker 1: Right?
[2:24:19] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[2:24:21] Speaker 6: Like, as bad as Milwaukee's playing, Philly's is like, Dronenby
[2:24:26] Speaker 6: is like, fuck.
[2:24:28] Speaker 2: Buck's the last team in the Eastern Conference currently. Six
[2:24:31] Speaker 2: or 14.
[2:24:32] Speaker 1: 14.
[2:24:32] Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is it's not like there's this
[2:24:36] Speaker 6: happy spirit about Joel coming back, right?
[2:24:40] Speaker 1: It's shit after shit after shit.
[2:24:43] Speaker 3: Oh, that's what you're saying. It's not a good mood
[2:24:46] Speaker 3: or a good energy. Yeah, it's not like, you know,
[2:24:48] Speaker 3: I'm getting... You're saying he looks.
[2:24:49] Speaker 1: Defeated. He's creating a defeated energy. It looks defeated. When
[2:24:53] Speaker 1: you're looking at him, you're looking like... One, even if
[2:24:56] Speaker 1: you came back today, I don't think you're mentally ready.
[2:24:59] Speaker 1: There's something fucking with him. There's something, man.
[2:25:02] Speaker 6: This ain't a guy who just won gold, who's been
[2:25:05] Speaker 6: preparing to get ready for the season that's coming back.
[2:25:08] Speaker 6: This looks like a guy who's, I can see you
[2:25:11] Speaker 6: lost 25 pounds. You probably got hurt.
[2:25:12] Speaker 1: He's a joker. Huh? He's a laugher and a joker.
[2:25:15] Speaker 1: He's not. Yeah. Did the PG thing happen after the Olympics?
[2:25:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:25:20] Speaker 1: What? What?
[2:25:22] Speaker 3: Is he going to Philly?
[2:25:24] Speaker 1: I don't know. After or before the Olympics? I thought
[2:25:26] Speaker 1: it was before, but let me double check. That's what
[2:25:29] Speaker 1: I said. I think he tweaked something. Did he speak
[2:25:31] Speaker 1: out about the trade? Did he get interviewed? I remember
[2:25:36] Speaker 1: they were doing all the little sneaky interviews. Yeah, that
[2:25:38] Speaker 1: was before July. Early July.
[2:25:39] Speaker 3: He was on the team before the Olympics.
[2:25:42] Speaker 1: I just think that something happened.
[2:25:44] Speaker 3: I wonder if PG got in a jam. I'm wondering
[2:25:47] Speaker 3: what the team camaraderie is. That's what I'm thinking about
[2:25:51] Speaker 3: right now. Because think about it, if Joel, if he
[2:25:53] Speaker 3: has this energy and he's not upbeat about the team,
[2:25:56] Speaker 3: he ain't on the bench over there talking to KJ.
[2:25:59] Speaker 1: You know, trying to help everybody.
[2:26:01] Speaker 3: Being the leader that you can't be because you're not playing.
[2:26:05] Speaker 1: Hey, hey, do this. Hey, move over here.
[2:26:07] Speaker 3: If you're not seeing that energy, it could be something
[2:26:09] Speaker 3: possibly festering that injury maybe. I'm thinking deeper because an
[2:26:14] Speaker 3: injury can only be a surface level thing when you're
[2:26:17] Speaker 3: in motions. You on the bench, you know you can't
[2:26:19] Speaker 3: bring this type of energy over here. But if it's
[2:26:22] Speaker 3: something deeper than that, that'll cause you to be over
[2:26:25] Speaker 3: there carrying that shit.
[2:26:26] Speaker 1: Remember, I'm starting the season off. I just want to go.
[2:26:29] Speaker 1: This is the beginning of the season. Now, think about it.
[2:26:33] Speaker 1: What's this timetable?
[2:26:35] Speaker 3: Exactly.
[2:26:35] Speaker 1: Damn.
[2:26:36] Speaker 2: They said he's been doing five-on-five scrimmage and ramping up. Thankfully,
[2:26:40] Speaker 2: the one silver lining of all this, he will not
[2:26:42] Speaker 2: be available Friday against the Lakers.
[2:26:45] Speaker 1: The fuck is five on five? How long you been
[2:26:47] Speaker 1: playing five on five? What's the five?
[2:26:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, who the five?
[2:26:51] Speaker 1: Is it five on, oh, five half court? Like, just
[2:26:54] Speaker 1: stop listening to me.
[2:26:55] Speaker 2: David, I'm just reporting what has been reported, Gil. I
[2:26:58] Speaker 2: do not carry the weight, but I appreciate you always
[2:26:59] Speaker 2: digging deep.
[2:27:00] Speaker 1: Of course, Josiah. What five are you on? It's court,
[2:27:03] Speaker 1: and Deshaun said he was doing five on five.
[2:27:05] Speaker 6: Five on five. Don't know what the other five are.
[2:27:07] Speaker 6: Five on five, but no timetable. Not five on, he's
[2:27:10] Speaker 6: starting to five on five. He's going to come back
[2:27:11] Speaker 6: in three weeks. It's five on five, we don't know still.
[2:27:15] Speaker 2: The Sixers were smart, and he was ready to go yesterday.
[2:27:17] Speaker 2: So we'll count that as game one.
[2:27:18] Speaker 1: In the suspension. It's just one of those things, as
[2:27:21] Speaker 1: a player, you're probably mentally frustrated. Absolutely. Same thing with
[2:27:25] Speaker 1: a Kawhi. That injury, when you're.
[2:27:29] Speaker 6: Injured and you know it don't feel like, I'm coming
[2:27:33] Speaker 6: back three weeks.
[2:27:35] Speaker 1: That gets you sitting on the bench and you hearing
[2:27:37] Speaker 1: people like, when you coming back? Yeah, yeah, that big
[2:27:45] Speaker 1: sigh right there. Why am I here?
[2:27:46] Speaker 3: That big sigh.
[2:27:47] Speaker 1: No, but then you stop coming out. Huh? Then you
[2:27:49] Speaker 1: stop coming out. Yeah, you don't even want to come
[2:27:51] Speaker 1: out there no more. Right? You go to the game,
[2:27:53] Speaker 1: and now you don't go sit on the bench. You're
[2:27:55] Speaker 1: in the.
[2:27:55] Speaker 3: Back the whole time.
[2:27:56] Speaker 1: You're in the back. And then don't let it be
[2:27:58] Speaker 1: for an extended period of time. You stop going to
[2:28:00] Speaker 1: that motherfucker altogether. Yeah, I'm good. I'm going to stay back.
[2:28:05] Speaker 1: I'm going to stay back.
[2:28:06] Speaker 6: You know when someone has been out for a minute,
[2:28:09] Speaker 6: you know when they're coming back.
[2:28:10] Speaker 1: You can see them. They're all cheerful and shit, right? What?
[2:28:14] Speaker 1: Throw that ball up. Let me see some of that.
[2:28:17] Speaker 1: They stop wearing suits. They start wearing the uniform.
[2:28:20] Speaker 3: They're practicing.
[2:28:22] Speaker 1: They look like they're about to play. Okay, okay. He's
[2:28:26] Speaker 1: about three games away.
[2:28:28] Speaker 6: You can see he started drinking random Gatorade.
[2:28:30] Speaker 1: Give me some water. He ain't never dapped you up.
[2:28:31] Speaker 1: He ain't never dapped you up. He over dapping you up. Yeah,
[2:28:35] Speaker 1: let's get that. Let's start our little handshake.
[2:28:39] Speaker 2: So we asked the chat, is Joel Embiid's three-game suspension fair? 63%
[2:28:42] Speaker 2: said no.
[2:28:44] Speaker 1: So, okay. Chat is in line. Yeah. I blame, like,
[2:28:47] Speaker 1: I don't, like, a dead-ass man in the reporter shouldn't
[2:28:50] Speaker 1: have been at the thing. I'm not, I'm not taking it.
[2:28:52] Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm saying. If I'm the team,
[2:28:53] Speaker 1: I'm not taking this money. It ain't money I want.
[2:28:56] Speaker 2: Those three games combined will be over a million dollars
[2:28:58] Speaker 2: in salary.
[2:28:58] Speaker 1: That's what I said. It ain't money I want.
[2:29:01] Speaker 3: If I'm a union, I'm stepping in.
[2:29:03] Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. I don't need the union.
[2:29:05] Speaker 1: As an owner, that's not money I want. I need
[2:29:09] Speaker 1: to know I have your back. We fucked up. I
[2:29:12] Speaker 1: have your back. Don't worry about it. I'm not taking
[2:29:14] Speaker 1: that money. It's not worth it. But just last valid point.
[2:29:18] Speaker 3: For the union to step in to say they're not
[2:29:21] Speaker 3: going to allow the media or the NBA to do
[2:29:23] Speaker 3: this type of thing again without pushback. If you really
[2:29:26] Speaker 3: think about this type of incident, if you can, as
[2:29:28] Speaker 3: the media, go in and provoke players and they act out,
[2:29:32] Speaker 3: whether it's a push, a shove, or a yell, or whatever,
[2:29:35] Speaker 3: and there's not no medium for that, you're.
[2:29:39] Speaker 1: Going to have these instances.
[2:29:41] Speaker 3: This is the first one that I'm pretty sure a
[2:29:43] Speaker 3: lot of guys felt like they should have said something
[2:29:45] Speaker 3: or done something to a media guy. And they haven't.
[2:29:47] Speaker 2: Because we all talked about the comments were since removed
[2:29:49] Speaker 2: from the article, but nonetheless, we're in there to begin with.
[2:29:51] Speaker 1: That's your fault, though. What? It shows fault.
[2:29:54] Speaker 3: It shows fault.
[2:29:55] Speaker 1: It shows fault. That's what I'm saying.
[2:29:56] Speaker 2: So if the Philadelphia Inquirer found inclined to remove that
[2:29:59] Speaker 2: section from the article, and like I said, the article
[2:30:02] Speaker 2: valid from the points being made besides having.
[2:30:04] Speaker 3: To make a proposal. And that's why it should be
[2:30:06] Speaker 3: even where he don't get penalized.
[2:30:07] Speaker 1: I'll take it down. No, we're not going to do that.
[2:30:09] Speaker 1: But if they're pulling it out, then they're acknowledging that
[2:30:11] Speaker 1: we're wrong. This was out of line. He can't use
[2:30:14] Speaker 1: words and use physical. Right. Use words to then. Right. Right.
[2:30:19] Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You're right. You can't put
[2:30:20] Speaker 3: your hands on me.
[2:30:21] Speaker 1: Like, I didn't put my hands on. I said this.
[2:30:23] Speaker 1: Touch me and I'll cross the line. If you want
[2:30:25] Speaker 1: to cuss me out and do all that in front
[2:30:26] Speaker 1: of everybody, cool. Talk crazy to me.
[2:30:28] Speaker 3: Go ahead.
[2:30:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't. I agree. Well, now, let's move on
[2:30:31] Speaker 1: to Mostly Fans. Yeah, just tell them it's work trash.
[2:30:33] Speaker 1: Don't nobody read it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do the Jason Williams.
[2:30:37] Speaker 1: Get this goddamn pen. I used to tell them, you're
[2:30:40] Speaker 1: work trash. Don't nobody read that bullshit.
[2:30:42] Speaker 3: No way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:30:43] Speaker 1: If you're wasting your fucking time, you up all night
[2:30:45] Speaker 1: writing that shit, rewriting it. Don't nobody read that shit.
[2:30:48] Speaker 1: Your mystery commas, asshole. You'd be fucking with somebody's ego, like,
[2:30:52] Speaker 1: how do you know I had to rewrite it? I
[2:30:54] Speaker 1: had to rewrite it again. Tell you straight up. And
[2:30:56] Speaker 1: they still didn't publish that shit. You talking to my wife? Yeah.
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[2:31:19] Speaker 2: So Wimby already has two 5x5 games in his first
[2:31:23] Speaker 2: 78 games. There have only been 23 recorded in NBA
[2:31:27] Speaker 2: history since block steals have been counted. Hakeem has six
[2:31:29] Speaker 2: of those. How many do you think he'll finish with
[2:31:32] Speaker 2: in his career?
[2:31:33] Speaker 3: Already has two. Five by fives? Two five by fives. Points, rebounds, assists.
[2:31:40] Speaker 3: Explain for the audience.
[2:31:40] Speaker 1: Steals, blocks. Wait, what? Points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.
[2:31:46] Speaker 3: But he recorded a stat for all of those.
[2:31:47] Speaker 1: Five by fives.
[2:31:49] Speaker 3: At least five.
[2:31:50] Speaker 1: So five of all of them.
[2:31:51] Speaker 2: Obviously the points are generally higher than that five-point threshold.
[2:31:54] Speaker 1: But five blocks, five steals. He's averaging five.
[2:31:58] Speaker 2: No, he's had two five-by-five games in his career so far.
[2:32:01] Speaker 1: And five steals? Five-by-five. Do you keep saying that?
[2:32:05] Speaker 3: Like it's going to change.
[2:32:08] Speaker 1: Like it's going to change. Five by five.
[2:32:12] Speaker 6: You think that's something we're going to get?
[2:32:14] Speaker 1: We're going to have five blocks? Look at him. Look
[2:32:18] Speaker 1: over there. He's the only one. Five by five.
[2:32:21] Speaker 3: What the fuck?
[2:32:21] Speaker 1: Five blocks and five steals. I can get you the
[2:32:24] Speaker 1: five steals. Five blocks, shit. I don't know if y'all
[2:32:30] Speaker 1: know this, right? I learned this... Like when I used
[2:32:34] Speaker 1: to strip people, I thought it counted as a steal.
[2:32:37] Speaker 1: It don't. Deflection. It's a block. It's a block. Oh!
[2:32:41] Speaker 1: So James had three blocks yesterday. For who? With those
[2:32:43] Speaker 1: three strips. He was smacking the shit out of people. Wait.
[2:32:46] Speaker 1: When you go to shoot. Shooting motion. When you go
[2:32:49] Speaker 1: to shoot now, it's a block. Dang, I didn't know that. Dang,
[2:32:55] Speaker 1: I would have been blocking a lot. I didn't know that.
[2:32:57] Speaker 3: I didn't know that either.
[2:32:58] Speaker 1: Right?
[2:32:59] Speaker 3: See, they might have just not gave me credit for it.
[2:33:01] Speaker 1: Because one game we were playing San Antonio, I thought
[2:33:02] Speaker 1: I had a bunch of steals. And I looked at
[2:33:04] Speaker 1: the stat sheet, it said seven blocks. I was like,
[2:33:06] Speaker 1: I didn't block fucking seven shots. Right? I was stripping
[2:33:11] Speaker 1: the shit out of people, but I didn't have seven blocks.
[2:33:13] Speaker 1: So once you go up... Now that I know... Oh, shit.
[2:33:17] Speaker 1: I would have taken the seven blocks. I did. I
[2:33:18] Speaker 1: had about eight or nine. Y'all fucking up. So once
[2:33:20] Speaker 1: you go up... Okay. So....
[2:33:28] Speaker 2: Points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, five plus in each of
[2:33:31] Speaker 2: those in the same game.
[2:33:33] Speaker 1: Okay. How many did he get? How many did he
[2:33:35] Speaker 1: get in his career?
[2:33:37] Speaker 3: A lot.
[2:33:40] Speaker 1: Smacking Kareem. I mean, because, yeah, he's going to have
[2:33:43] Speaker 1: the five.
[2:33:44] Speaker 6: The only thing that's going to stop him from having
[2:33:46] Speaker 6: it is usually the steals, right?
[2:33:49] Speaker 1: A big man trying to get five steals. That's really
[2:33:52] Speaker 1: the handicap for him.
[2:33:53] Speaker 6: And he's active enough where he can play the passing lane, right?
[2:33:58] Speaker 6: Between blocks and steals, it's damn near right there for him.
[2:34:02] Speaker 1: I know he got dunked on by Zubac last night,
[2:34:04] Speaker 1: but just watching that game and watching the fear in
[2:34:07] Speaker 1: people's heart going to the cup. He had nine blocks left.
[2:34:12] Speaker 2: I know Zubac tried to hit him with a jump
[2:34:13] Speaker 2: hook at one point. I'm just watching the whole time like.
[2:34:15] Speaker 1: What is he thinking?
[2:34:16] Speaker 3: Out of here.
[2:34:17] Speaker 1: Every time.
[2:34:18] Speaker 2: But just the fear that guys had even going. Shots
[2:34:21] Speaker 2: that they would normally take easily.
[2:34:23] Speaker 1: Y'all don't understand that feeling. I had that feeling in college. Yeah,
[2:34:26] Speaker 1: we seen it on tape. When motherfuckers afraid to come
[2:34:28] Speaker 1: in there. Don't you do it. Like they pump fake
[2:34:30] Speaker 1: and just dribble that bitch out. Ass it out. Don't
[2:34:32] Speaker 1: even think about shooting it.
[2:34:33] Speaker 3: Don't you do it.
[2:34:34] Speaker 1: Like they doing special drill. Like you hear about after
[2:34:36] Speaker 1: the fact, you playing certain teams and they doing offensive
[2:34:39] Speaker 1: rebound drills where they couldn't shoot it in practice. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
[2:34:42] Speaker 1: Pump fake, like they playing us, they got to pass
[2:34:44] Speaker 1: it out.
[2:34:45] Speaker 3: That was the rule. Rebound, pass it out. Do not
[2:34:47] Speaker 3: put it back up. We're not playing that team. We're
[2:34:49] Speaker 3: playing another team. We're not playing them.
[2:34:52] Speaker 1: They will get that, pass it out of here. As
[2:34:54] Speaker 1: a sophomore, I had 10 blocks. I missed it a
[2:34:57] Speaker 1: few times. Then I had another my senior year with
[2:35:00] Speaker 1: 10 blocks, and I missed it a few times. I
[2:35:02] Speaker 1: had eight here, nine there. Yeah. As a sophomore, my
[2:35:08] Speaker 1: first one as a sophomore. Yeah. Ain't nothing like that feeling, though,
[2:35:12] Speaker 1: where they really.
[2:35:15] Speaker 1: Oh, shit, where the smoke? I couldn't be a big man.
[2:35:21] Speaker 1: And I'm trying to chase the block, champ. Get a rebound.
[2:35:27] Speaker 6: I'm jumping for everything.
[2:35:30] Speaker 1: I'm JaVale McGee out there. I'm JaVale McGee. Pump, big,
[2:35:35] Speaker 1: I'm gone. Gone, boss. He averaged three and a half
[2:35:39] Speaker 1: last year. Yeah. That's, yeah. Where he at right now?
[2:35:44] Speaker 1: Early on. Let me double check. He at nine, so
[2:35:46] Speaker 1: early on, so that definitely helped.
[2:35:48] Speaker 3: He got to be 3.5. Yeah.
[2:35:50] Speaker 1: 3.5 right now. Right now, he's easily, he might be
[2:35:53] Speaker 1: at 4.
[2:35:53] Speaker 3: He might be at 4. He might be at 4.
[2:35:54] Speaker 1: 3.9? He at 4.
[2:35:55] Speaker 3: 3.9, 4, yeah.
[2:35:55] Speaker 1: He definitely averaging, yeah.
[2:35:59] Speaker 3: We know, we know, know DeMar today, right?
[2:36:01] Speaker 1: What happened?
[2:36:03] Speaker 3: We're not talking to DeMar. No, it's great shit.
[2:36:06] Speaker 1: We already did.
[2:36:07] Speaker 3: Oh, damn. Y'all always speaking on that shit without me, man.
[2:36:12] Speaker 1: It's 212. It is 212. That's the police? I am
[2:36:17] Speaker 1: your op. I never told you. I am the ops.
[2:36:20] Speaker 1: Who's that talking to? No, wait, wait, hold on. This
[2:36:25] Speaker 1: ain't NextHell, motherfucker. What was that? Man, throw some water
[2:36:30] Speaker 1: on him. I have the earpiece to communicate with producers.
[2:36:33] Speaker 1: We see the mic, but what's really, what's by that
[2:36:36] Speaker 1: ass on that U.S.? What's this extra shit, man? We're
[2:36:39] Speaker 1: going to sell that dub still. Hey, no, seriously, y'all
[2:36:41] Speaker 1: heard that? Like, wait, hold on.
[2:36:43] Speaker 3: Ain't no NextHells in here, man.
[2:36:45] Speaker 1: Hey, I do miss the chirps, though.
[2:36:47] Speaker 3: I know y'all gamers out there, y'all trying to figure
[2:36:49] Speaker 3: out where the game at, man. Y'all hollering me PlayStation 5.
[2:36:54] Speaker 3: The divine light. The divine light.
[2:36:59] Speaker 1: T-H-A. Divine light.
[2:37:00] Speaker 3: All right.
[2:37:00] Speaker 1: I got to give him my 500. We in the trenches. Oh,
[2:37:04] Speaker 1: I got an idea before you do that. Don't do
[2:37:06] Speaker 1: that yet. I'll tell you after we get done. Okay.
[2:37:09] Speaker 1: Do I give the money? Give away your 400. Wait.
[2:37:12] Speaker 4: Okay.
[2:37:12] Speaker 1: I thought he was done.
[2:37:13] Speaker 4: Wait.
[2:37:14] Speaker 1: I'm ready to go home like most of y'all.
[2:37:17] Speaker 3: Already.
[2:37:18] Speaker 1: Sufficient work was done today. Check was earned. Earn that check,
[2:37:22] Speaker 1: but go ahead and give your bread away.
[2:37:24] Speaker 3: No, we're going to wait. We're going to wait.
[2:37:26] Speaker 1: We will wait to give y'all your bread. Y'all can
[2:37:28] Speaker 1: stop being so thirsty.
[2:37:29] Speaker 3: And cash shopping.
[2:37:30] Speaker 1: Shut up! Shit, child. Hey, hey, chat. King said, fuck
[2:37:37] Speaker 1: y'all today. No, we're going to get you money, but
[2:37:39] Speaker 1: we're going to get you money. We're going to get
[2:37:41] Speaker 1: you money. But fuck you right now. You got to
[2:37:44] Speaker 1: stay on your toes. Keep watching every episode. You know,
[2:37:48] Speaker 1: we're going to get it to you. Because I still
[2:37:50] Speaker 1: owe $ 500, so we're going to. I think I owe $ 500.
[2:37:53] Speaker 1: I received direct deposit yesterday. I'm ready to pay.
[2:37:56] Speaker 3: Oh, he like it.
[2:37:57] Speaker 1: It's pretty good, Gil. Like it, subscribe, man. This man
[2:38:00] Speaker 1: owe about $ 2, 000. I paid mine in full. Oh. Yeah,
[2:38:03] Speaker 1: it's in Texas.
[2:38:04] Speaker 3: It's in Texas.
[2:38:05] Speaker 1: Really good.
[2:38:06] Speaker 3: Had the delicious magic pay mine back in Texas.
[2:38:09] Speaker 1: Ready to go. But this has been another episode of
[2:38:12] Speaker 1: Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Woof, woof. Woof, woof. Woof, woof. Woof, woof. Woof, woof. Woof, woof. Woof, woof. Woof, woof. Woof, woof. Woof, woof.

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