# Gilbert Arenas Hosts A Funeral For Cemetery Larry

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 26 Jun 2025, 3 h 00 min.

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Gil's Arena Reacts To The 1st Round Of The NBA Draft as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew break down the storylines of the opening night of the NBA Draft and tell their stories of how it felt to hear their name called and enter the NBA. They kick things off with the #1 overall pick Cooper Flagg who landed with the Dallas Mavericks and discuss how the NBA's next rookie phenom will impact the team still reeling from the Luka Doncic trade. They also react to LeBron James' high praise for the former Duke Blue Devil and discuss how much the Mavs' strong supporting cast of Anthony Davis, Klay Thompson and Kyrie Irving will impact Flagg in his rookie season. They then react to the San Antonio Spurs adding 2 lottery picks in this year's draft including #2 overall pick Dylan Harper and break down how close this Spurs team is to contending as Victor Wembanyama enters his 3rd season with a roster loaded with young talent. Next, they continue their discussion on Ace Bailey who intentionally plummeted his draft stock only to end up with the Utah Jazz, sparking a debate on if the Rutgers superstar played himself throughout the draft process before giving a breakdown on the current state of the Philadelphia 76ers who passed on Bailey to pair VJ Edgecombe with their impressive core of Joel Embiid, Tyrese Maxey, Paul George and Jared McCain. They then welcome comedian, actor and entertainer CP into the Arena to discuss his upcoming special Sunday After Six and virtually sit down with Award Winning Journalist Henry Abbot to discuss his new book "Ballistic" and give his take on the injury issues tearing through the NBA. Finally, Gil takes on more heat for his take on Ring Culture and offers a hostile response to Draymond Green who called out Gil & The Arena for having a take on championship culture despite never sniffing the Larry O'Brien during his playing days. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, CP, Henry Abbott, Rashad McCants, Brandon Jennings & Swaggy P Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Right now Blinds.com is giving our listeners an exclusive $50 off when you spend $500 or more. Just use code ARENA at checkout. Limited time offer. Rules and restrictions apply. https://www.blinds.com/?utm_campaign=acq*brd*youtube************&utm_medium=rdo&utm_source=gil&utm_content=gilarena Fetch a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your Dog. Go to https://ruffgreens.com/arena and use promo code ARENA. Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 2 Min Timer 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:59 Gil Throws A Funeral For Money Making Suni 0:06:16 How It Felt To Get Drafted 0:10:30 Comedian CP Enters Gil's Arena 0:21:07 Predictions For The Pistons Next Season 0:23:53 LeBron Has High Praise For Cooper Flagg 0:26:15 Mavs Fans Still Hate Nico 0:53:49 Underdog Of The Week 1:00:34 Dylan Harper & Wemby Will Be A Problem 1:10:46 Check Out CP's Comedy Special 1:25:47 Henry Abbott GETS REAL On The NBA's Injury Issues 1:28:23 Ace Bailey Played Himself To The Utah Jazz 1:44:51 State Of The Philadelphia 76ers 2:02:04 Draymond Green CALLS OUT Gil On Ring Culture 2:16:08 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Glorious Thursday
[0:07] Speaker 1: here in the arena. NBA draft. First round in the books.
[0:11] Speaker 1: A lot of things to talk about and discuss how
[0:13] Speaker 1: we feel. Swaggy, good to see you. Stay at work today.
[0:16] Speaker 1: You were here yesterday. It's like program.
[0:20] Speaker 2: Wake up. Come here. And then leave.
[0:27] Speaker 1: But this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:30] Speaker 2: Woof, woof.
[0:31] Speaker 1: We're in Gil's house, still waiting for Gil to pull
[0:33] Speaker 1: up to the couch. He should be here at some
[0:36] Speaker 1: point during his show.
[0:37] Speaker 2: But we got.
[0:38] Speaker 1: NBA champion of the world, swaggy Pete Nick Young here
[0:40] Speaker 1: with us. On this side of the couch, we got
[0:46] Speaker 1: the man they call Money Making Sonny, NCAA champion of
[0:48] Speaker 1: the world, Rashad McCants, back in the arena. And representing
[0:54] Speaker 1: Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd University, we have Mr. B, Brandon Jennings.
[0:58] Speaker 3: Woo!
[1:03] Speaker 1: All first round picks. First round host. Y'all said first
[1:09] Speaker 1: round and under. No second rounders yet. Okay.
[1:14] Speaker 2: That's what y'all words. Today, day, day though. This is second.
[1:19] Speaker 2: This is gilday.
[1:20] Speaker 3: This is gilday.
[1:22] Speaker 1: But for all the fans out there, we still got
[1:24] Speaker 1: two viewing options for our traditional version, mobile vertical version.
[1:26] Speaker 1: Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure
[1:28] Speaker 1: you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today.
[1:32] Speaker 1: As expected, the Mavs took Cooper Flagg with the number
[1:35] Speaker 1: one overall pick. But what are realistic expectations for Flagg
[1:39] Speaker 1: in his rookie season? The Spurs added two lottery picks,
[1:43] Speaker 1: including number two overall selection Dylan Harper. How close are
[1:47] Speaker 1: Wimby and San Antonio to being a legit threat in
[1:49] Speaker 1: the West? Wimby now a vet entering his third season
[1:52] Speaker 1: in the league. And Ace Bailey reportedly didn't want to
[1:57] Speaker 1: go to the Jazz. But Danny Ainge still drafted his ass.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Did Bailey play himself throughout the draft process? Didn't look
[2:04] Speaker 1: too excited to be headed to Utah. Said, don't pick me.
[2:10] Speaker 1: I like the jacket, though. But before we get into
[2:13] Speaker 1: all that, as always, this show is brought to you
[2:14] Speaker 1: by Underdog. Go ahead and download the app. Use promo
[2:15] Speaker 1: code GIL. Get up to $ 1, 000 in bonus cash plus
[2:17] Speaker 1: a special pick-em. And we're back with another crew partner pack.
[2:21] Speaker 1: As a reminder, each of our GIL's Arena crew has
[2:23] Speaker 1: submitted a pick-em that we're combining to create our partner
[2:25] Speaker 1: pack on the Underdog app. We'll tally up the individual picks,
[2:28] Speaker 1: and the guy with the highest percentage of accurate picks
[2:30] Speaker 1: will receive a large sum of underdog bread before we
[2:34] Speaker 1: take our summer hiatus in a few weeks. So let's
[2:36] Speaker 1: take a look at today's crew partner pack, if we.
[2:38] Speaker 2: Can, please.
[2:40] Speaker 1: Vladimir Guerrero Jr., higher 1.5 hits, runs, RBIs. That's coming
[2:45] Speaker 1: from Kenyon. Kelsey Plum, lower 20.5 points. That's coming from Sonny.
[2:51] Speaker 1: Aaliyah Boston, higher, 15.5 points.
[2:53] Speaker 2: That's coming from Mr. B.
[2:55] Speaker 1: And Jackie Young, higher, 7.5 rebounds and assists combined. That's
[3:00] Speaker 1: coming from Gil. No pick from Swaggy. So he takes
[3:03] Speaker 1: an L for today. Swaggy, you didn't get your pick
[3:04] Speaker 1: any time.
[3:05] Speaker 2: I didn't. But, you know, that's my cousin right there. Who,
[3:09] Speaker 2: Jackie Young? Jackie Young, yes. You got a lot of cousins.
[3:12] Speaker 2: I think so. Real cousin, play cousin? I think so.
[3:20] Speaker 2: I hope.
[3:27] Speaker 4: So.
[3:27] Speaker 1: So we asked our loyal chat if they are riding
[3:31] Speaker 1: or fading with the Gills Arena crew partner pack for
[3:33] Speaker 1: this evening. Hold on. 55% of the chat is riding
[3:38] Speaker 1: with the partner pack for this evening.
[3:40] Speaker 2: I've been messing up the... The chat is saying that.
[3:44] Speaker 4: Wow.
[3:44] Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything. That's crazy. I support you.
[3:46] Speaker 1: But if you like these picks and want to ride
[3:48] Speaker 1: with them, go over to Underdog. If you don't have
[3:49] Speaker 1: the Underdog app, download it. Use promo code GIL. Get
[3:51] Speaker 1: up to $ 1, 000 in bonus cash plus a special pick-em.
[3:54] Speaker 1: And if you can't watch this show live with us
[3:55] Speaker 1: on YouTube, we have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify,
[3:57] Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. So 30 young men realize
[4:00] Speaker 1: their dream of becoming an NBA player in last night's
[4:03] Speaker 1: first round of the 2025 NBA draft. Round two will
[4:06] Speaker 1: take place tonight. So the draft began as we all
[4:09] Speaker 1: expected with the Mavs taking Cooper Flagg first overall on
[4:13] Speaker 1: what his sponsor New Balance was marketing as Flag Day.
[4:18] Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
[4:20] Speaker 1: Before we proceed, Gil has entered the arena. I heard
[4:24] Speaker 1: about this. Get his head on the jumbotron. So sad
[4:40] Speaker 1: what happened to that boy.
[4:44] Speaker 2: That's just the ashes. Oh, my Lord. Yeah, what are
[4:56] Speaker 2: we doing? Had to bury a brother.
[5:01] Speaker 4: Got back from the funeral. Had to lay him to
[5:03] Speaker 4: rest where he died yesterday. Bronco, all this shit is
[5:12] Speaker 4: a memory. This has got to send you condolences sometimes.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Gilbert Reed has entered the arena. Flowers
[5:20] Speaker 2: and a shovel.
[5:20] Speaker 5: Damn, I'm glad I wasn't on his.
[5:30] Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, the most unserious show in basketball.
[5:38] Speaker 5: Got the cans fit onto the cemetery ladder.
[5:46] Speaker 2: Still don't have the timing. Can we start the show again?
[6:00] Speaker 2: I thought I buried that nigga yesterday. What are you
[6:06] Speaker 2: doing here? I'm supposed to be dead. You're supposed to
[6:10] Speaker 2: be dead. What are you doing? I'm supposed to be
[6:14] Speaker 2: 100 miles.
[6:16] Speaker 3: Damn.
[6:18] Speaker 2: That's wild. I've never seen a nigga come back from
[6:22] Speaker 2: being dead. Can we start the show? Huh? Must have
[6:29] Speaker 2: got a super power.
[6:30] Speaker 4: He didn't get the memo, man. He didn't get the memo.
[6:34] Speaker 4: I must have killed the wrong nigga yesterday.
[6:41] Speaker 2: It was Sonny. Sonny died. Cemetery Larry still alive. Okay. See,
[6:47] Speaker 2: I was going to be Cemetery Larry because I thought
[6:50] Speaker 2: I killed them all, but it was money making Sonny. Okay.
[6:55] Speaker 2: All right. The timer's still off. I killed the wrong one.
[7:00] Speaker 3: Okay.
[7:01] Speaker 2: We're done.
[7:02] Speaker 1: We'll get into some basketball, high-level basketball discussion here on
[7:05] Speaker 1: Gil's Arena presented by underdog Woop Woop.
[7:07] Speaker 2: Woop Woop. By myself. For a reason.
[7:11] Speaker 3: I did not.
[7:12] Speaker 2: For a reason. I did not know none of this
[7:14] Speaker 2: was coming. This is why.
[7:16] Speaker 3: This is why.
[7:17] Speaker 1: Draft began as we all expected with the Mavs taking
[7:19] Speaker 1: Cooper Flag first overall and with his sponsor New Balance
[7:22] Speaker 1: dubbed as Flag Day. I think traditionally a Canadian holiday
[7:25] Speaker 1: has now made its way over to the United States.
[7:28] Speaker 1: So let's take a listen to Cooper Flag Day.
[7:30] Speaker 4: Hey, up.
[7:31] Speaker 2: Can you get that note?
[7:38] Speaker 1: Pass that, Josiah. You can go ahead and read that,
[7:43] Speaker 1: you know, in the memory. The front of the car says,
[7:46] Speaker 1: sharing in your sorrow. Lifting you in love and peace,
[7:52] Speaker 1: says RIP Cemetery Larry. Zero condolences. And it has Gilbert Arenas'
[7:57] Speaker 1: signature on it.
[7:59] Speaker 2: Zero condolences.
[8:00] Speaker 3: Zero.
[8:02] Speaker 6: Y'all going to do all this shit. Y'all couldn't promote
[8:04] Speaker 6: my motherfucking video.
[8:07] Speaker 2: Hand toes down? That's crazy. What? You made a video yesterday?
[8:17] Speaker 2: What we doing, man? Come on. Can we start the show? Yeah.
[8:21] Speaker 2: Let's do the show, man. I'm ready. All right.
[8:24] Speaker 1: So once again, 2025 NBA draft first round last night.
[8:29] Speaker 1: Cooper flag selected with the overall pick. Let's take a listen.
[8:34] Speaker 7: With the first pick in the 2025 NBA draft, the
[8:39] Speaker 7: Dallas Mavericks select Cooper Flagg from Duke University.
[8:43] Speaker 2: We're talking about Zion. We're talking about Jason Tatum.
[8:46] Speaker 3: We're talking about Kyrie.
[8:48] Speaker 2: What sets Cooper apart? Yeah, Grant Hill as well. What
[8:51] Speaker 2: sets him apart is he plays at both ends of
[8:54] Speaker 2: the floor. He's equally as impactful as a defender.
[8:57] Speaker 1: So Flagg, the second youngest, number one overall pick since
[9:01] Speaker 1: LeBron James, about a week older than LeBron.
[9:03] Speaker 2: When he was selected number one.
[9:04] Speaker 1: We'll get more to the specifics of Flagg in a second,
[9:07] Speaker 1: but I have to ask because of the experience we
[9:09] Speaker 1: have on this couch, what was a moment like to
[9:12] Speaker 1: hear your name called at the NBA draft? Mr. B,
[9:15] Speaker 1: we'll start with you. We know you were out and
[9:17] Speaker 1: about in New York doing some other things.
[9:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[9:20] Speaker 1: But what did it feel like to hear your name
[9:21] Speaker 1: called at the draft, walk on that stage, shake the
[9:23] Speaker 1: commissioner's hand, and know you were starting your NBA career,
[9:25] Speaker 1: fulfilling your dream?
[9:27] Speaker 8: I think just off the fact that the route that
[9:29] Speaker 8: I took, skipping college, and people saying that it wasn't
[9:33] Speaker 8: going to work and, you know, he'll be back home.
[9:35] Speaker 8: And to hear my name being called at 10, it
[9:38] Speaker 8: was just a lot of relief, stress relief, because I
[9:41] Speaker 8: was out shopping earlier. Michael Jackson had died, so he
[9:45] Speaker 8: took over the whole, you know, draft. You know, I
[9:49] Speaker 8: was slipping in the draft and things like that. So
[9:50] Speaker 8: just to hear my name being called and, you know,
[9:54] Speaker 8: Sonny McCurl was out there, you know, like, yo, we
[9:56] Speaker 8: did it, we did it. So, man, you know, it
[9:58] Speaker 8: was just.
[9:58] Speaker 2: A great feeling. It was great. How was you projected?
[10:01] Speaker 8: They had me going 23, like 25.
[10:05] Speaker 2: So you went up? Yeah, I went back up, yeah.
[10:07] Speaker 8: Yeah, because they were saying, you know, certain point guards
[10:10] Speaker 8: and things like that.
[10:10] Speaker 2: So they didn't have me going.
[10:13] Speaker 8: I didn't know I was going 10 until about, like, at, like.
[10:17] Speaker 2: The ninth pick. That's dope.
[10:18] Speaker 1: Did you get invited to the green room and opted
[10:20] Speaker 1: not to go, or how did that whole situation go?
[10:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got invited.
[10:24] Speaker 8: My agent at the time, Bill Duffy, he had a
[10:26] Speaker 8: client before that was in the green room, and he
[10:29] Speaker 8: didn't get picked in the green room, so it was
[10:31] Speaker 8: kind of a little more of like a scare, like
[10:33] Speaker 8: they were going to try to do the same thing
[10:34] Speaker 8: to me, just have.
[10:35] Speaker 2: Me in the green room. Try to make an example
[10:36] Speaker 2: out of you.
[10:36] Speaker 8: Make an example, so we just thought it was best
[10:39] Speaker 8: to just be with my family.
[10:41] Speaker 2: But then, obviously, you made your way to the arena.
[10:43] Speaker 2: Made my way. David Stern was in the back.
[10:45] Speaker 8: He was like, yo, since the 13th pick ain't here,
[10:47] Speaker 8: I'm going to just bring you back to the back. So,
[10:49] Speaker 8: you know, I'm like Soulja Boy, always the first to
[10:51] Speaker 8: do something different.
[10:54] Speaker 2: Mr. B, like Soulja Boy. Well, you in there. You.
[10:59] Speaker 2: Come through the back, like kissing the crowd.
[11:01] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[11:02] Speaker 2: So, it was cool. Let's move on to Sonny. Sonny,
[11:03] Speaker 2: what do you remember from draft day hearing your name called? Oh, shit.
[11:08] Speaker 6: It was probably a. It was an embarrassing day because
[11:13] Speaker 6: once I did get picked, it was the first time
[11:18] Speaker 6: David Stern messed up in the draft. So I actually
[11:22] Speaker 6: walked on stage, supposed to shake his hand and shit,
[11:25] Speaker 6: but he was still at the podium.
[11:28] Speaker 2: So I had to walk and tap him on the shoulder.
[11:32] Speaker 3: Shut up, man.
[11:32] Speaker 2: He had to come back. Oh, shit. Nigga, you just
[11:34] Speaker 2: called my name. Why you ain't ready? It's my moment.
[11:37] Speaker 2: For real?
[11:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[11:39] Speaker 6: That was the start of all the bullshit. That was
[11:44] Speaker 6: my first day. When I got drafted. The first day.
[11:47] Speaker 2: Bullshit. Immediately. My moment. Hey, I'm here. You're going to
[11:54] Speaker 2: shake my goddamn hand.
[11:56] Speaker 3: You're going to shake my hand, sir.
[11:58] Speaker 2: Damn. It's been happening all my life, man. I'm used
[12:01] Speaker 2: to it. Let's move over to the side of the couch.
[12:04] Speaker 1: Swaggy, what do you remember from your draft day hearing
[12:06] Speaker 1: your name called by the commissioner?
[12:08] Speaker 3: Um.
[12:09] Speaker 5: I just remember getting invited to the green room. I
[12:11] Speaker 5: thought that was like the best thing. That's all you
[12:15] Speaker 5: see on TV. And thinking about shaking David Stern's hand
[12:19] Speaker 5: and the family get to be there and all that.
[12:22] Speaker 2: But then I ended up dropping to the Wizards. So
[12:26] Speaker 2: it's like the worst thing that ever happened. It's like
[12:30] Speaker 2: a dream nightmare. Dreams and nightmares. Shout out to me. Yeah.
[12:35] Speaker 2: What was the green room experience like, though? You turned
[12:37] Speaker 2: out to be cool, but the Wizards was fucked.
[12:40] Speaker 4: But you didn't know that until you got there. So
[12:42] Speaker 4: how did you feel on draft day? Because I wanted
[12:45] Speaker 4: to go to the Lakers. There's the Clippers. There's the Clippers.
[12:48] Speaker 4: There's the Clippers.
[12:49] Speaker 2: They had the 12th pick, so I was supposed to
[12:51] Speaker 2: go there. That's why I got invited.
[12:53] Speaker 1: What was your experience like, though, in the green room?
[12:57] Speaker 1: What's it like being at the table with all the
[13:00] Speaker 1: other draftees out there?
[13:01] Speaker 2: It was exciting, you know, to hear your name called.
[13:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[13:05] Speaker 5: It's still a dream come true. I was worried about
[13:07] Speaker 5: not falling on the stairs. I was like, don't mess
[13:10] Speaker 5: up walking up these stairs. Don't mess up. Shake his.
[13:15] Speaker 3: Hand.
[13:16] Speaker 5: After that, you call the team and all that. They
[13:18] Speaker 5: congratulate you. It's official. It's dope.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Let's move over to Gil. Obviously, Gil, you had a
[13:24] Speaker 1: different road. You were projected to be a first-round pick.
[13:27] Speaker 1: I believe you said you wanted to be an international pimp.
[13:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. Was that before or after that moment? Oh, no,
[13:32] Speaker 2: that was before.
[13:33] Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
[13:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I was, you know, I cried on my
[13:39] Speaker 2: draft night.
[13:41] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[13:41] Speaker 2: I did too. Yeah. No, I was crying. When I
[13:46] Speaker 2: say cried, I was, I started to cry after 12
[13:49] Speaker 2: and 14. That's where you were supposed to go? Huh?
[13:53] Speaker 2: That's where you were supposed to go?
[13:53] Speaker 4: Yeah, Boston had two picks in the lottery. I worked
[13:57] Speaker 4: out for them like three straight days. Um, Golden State
[14:01] Speaker 4: killed that workout, killed Portland. They had, I think, the
[14:06] Speaker 4: 18th pick. And then I thought Boston was going to
[14:09] Speaker 4: pick me with one of their 20th picks, and they
[14:14] Speaker 4: went to Joseph Forte. And then Sacramento said I wouldn't
[14:20] Speaker 4: get past them if I ever got close to 25.
[14:22] Speaker 2: And then so I was like, oh, man, you know,
[14:26] Speaker 2: took my Portland shirts off. You had shorts for the
[14:29] Speaker 2: teams you thought were going to draft? Yeah, yeah, I
[14:31] Speaker 2: had like four pair of shorts on and we're just
[14:32] Speaker 2: removing them, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[14:37] Speaker 1: So basically the bandwagon Gil thing.
[14:39] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then
[14:46] Speaker 2: when 25 came, you know, we're having, my dad's having
[14:51] Speaker 2: a draft party and.
[14:52] Speaker 4: I said, let me go ahead and get drafted first
[14:53] Speaker 4: and I show up like I'm a star. Sacramento, Gerald Wallace.
[15:02] Speaker 3: Damn.
[15:03] Speaker 2: Didn't even know who he was. I got so mad,
[15:05] Speaker 2: threw my chain off.
[15:06] Speaker 3: Threw it out.
[15:07] Speaker 4: I mean, it was fake anyway, but threw that shit
[15:10] Speaker 4: off the balcony. And then I called Rodney Tension, a
[15:14] Speaker 4: sister in that. Can I come back? And I'm just
[15:16] Speaker 4: crying the whole time. And I thought I got picked before. But,
[15:21] Speaker 4: you know, I thought I was already picked. So, Gil,
[15:25] Speaker 4: what was the mood like at that draft party? After
[15:28] Speaker 4: you slipped in the draft, didn't go to any of
[15:30] Speaker 4: the destinations you thought you were going to go to,
[15:31] Speaker 4: did you actually show your face at your own draft party?
[15:33] Speaker 2: It was supposed to be an open bar. Amen. Y'all
[15:41] Speaker 2: niggas better start paying. Yeah, I'm supposed to be open bar.
[15:44] Speaker 2: You know, yeah, they had to pay their own tab. Shit,
[15:50] Speaker 2: I can't afford this, motherfuckers. That chain, that Escalade with
[15:55] Speaker 2: the rims in it, that cash I gave my daddy,
[15:57] Speaker 2: I ain't got it no more. I'm broke.
[16:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, I was broken to the bone.
[16:05] Speaker 2: I was crying because I was broke. And then, you know,
[16:09] Speaker 2: while I'm on the phone crying, then, you know, Rodney
[16:11] Speaker 2: Tidgett said, yo, Golden State drafted you. You're good.
[16:14] Speaker 4: You got drafted. And I'm still crying. And then they called.
[16:18] Speaker 4: You know, they do their little call on the phone.
[16:21] Speaker 4: They do their call on the phone.
[16:22] Speaker 2: I said, I'll be starting by the middle of the season.
[16:29] Speaker 2: And then I hung up.
[16:32] Speaker 1: Unfortunate day for Gilbert Arenas, but ended up having a
[16:36] Speaker 1: provision in the CBA because you ended up making more
[16:38] Speaker 1: bread than the number one overall pick in that draft.
[16:40] Speaker 1: Who was the number one pick in that draft?
[16:43] Speaker 2: Kwame Brown. But that's not even the... That's why when
[16:45] Speaker 2: people say, would you... No way.
[16:48] Speaker 3: Would you... What?
[16:50] Speaker 2: Kwame, y'all in the same draft? Yeah. That's why you
[16:53] Speaker 2: mess with him.
[16:53] Speaker 3: All the time.
[16:54] Speaker 2: No, I mess with him because he attacked me for
[16:55] Speaker 2: no reason when we was... When I was just... Ain't
[16:58] Speaker 2: nobody ever attack you for no reason. That nigga attacked
[17:00] Speaker 2: me for no reason.
[17:02] Speaker 4: When I went to Washington, he was a poodle crying
[17:07] Speaker 4: in the corner.
[17:08] Speaker 2: And I'm the nigga that was feeding him and what's
[17:10] Speaker 2: in it. Hey, man, it's all right, man. He gone.
[17:12] Speaker 2: The nigga gone. Your last owner gone. Jordan gone, dog.
[17:15] Speaker 2: Come on, let's rebuild. We good. We good. All young niggas, man.
[17:18] Speaker 2: You the king right here. So I thought we was good.
[17:22] Speaker 4: Until he, you know, the shit with him and Matt
[17:24] Speaker 4: Barnes and throw me in it and shit like that.
[17:26] Speaker 4: That's when I was like, man, you been holding this for.
[17:28] Speaker 2: 20 years, man?
[17:30] Speaker 4: I saved your life outside the club. But that's neither
[17:35] Speaker 4: here nor there. No, but that's why when people.
[17:37] Speaker 2: Say, would you do it all over again? And the
[17:43] Speaker 2: answer's always going to be, hell yeah. I can't change
[17:47] Speaker 2: that part. I told that man I was a pimp,
[17:49] Speaker 2: went into the second round, got paid first. I already
[17:53] Speaker 2: know the results. I know the results. I'm going to
[17:58] Speaker 2: go back and hear it. Pimp! What a second round.
[18:03] Speaker 2: Y'all want to go to the first round? All right, well, let's...
[18:06] Speaker 2: I got paid. Let's keep this thing moving. I did
[18:09] Speaker 2: everything first. First sort of video game, first signature.
[18:12] Speaker 4: First All-NBA, first All-Star, first to get the contract. I
[18:16] Speaker 4: did everything first in that draft. Who was, like, the
[18:19] Speaker 4: big soldier? Who's the number one?
[18:22] Speaker 2: Paul Gasol. So it's either Paul Gasol or... So Paul Gasol...
[18:27] Speaker 2: or Iso Joe. So either one of those two.
[18:31] Speaker 4: The one with the rings would be Tony Parker, Z-Bo,
[18:35] Speaker 4: Richard Jefferson. Yeah, I'll be probably, if they redid it,
[18:39] Speaker 4: I'll probably be like seven or ten. Seven or ten. Yeah,
[18:45] Speaker 4: around seven or ten. Because, I mean, if you think
[18:47] Speaker 4: about the teams that had picks, they still going to
[18:49] Speaker 4: go after them big niggas for real.
[18:51] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? The first guard would be
[18:54] Speaker 2: probably about Tony Parker.
[18:55] Speaker 3: For sure.
[18:56] Speaker 4: And then I'll be like, you still got Jason Richardson,
[18:58] Speaker 4: still got to take The Freak of Nature, still got
[19:00] Speaker 4: to take probably Richard Jefferson, Z-Bo, I mean, the Mecca Okafor.
[19:04] Speaker 2: You got to.
[19:05] Speaker 3: All right, well.
[19:07] Speaker 2: Let's keep this thing moving.
[19:07] Speaker 1: We got a very special guest making his first appearance
[19:10] Speaker 1: in the arena. Comedian, actor, and entertainer, writer, producer with
[19:14] Speaker 1: a recurring role on Hulu's How to Die Alone, also
[19:16] Speaker 1: starred in the second season of HBO Max anthology series
[19:20] Speaker 1: Love Life. His comedy special Sunday After 6 is available
[19:23] Speaker 1: on the pay-per-view platform Veeps.com. His government name is Chris Powell,
[19:27] Speaker 1: but you all know him as Comedian CP.
[19:29] Speaker 2: What's up, CP?
[19:29] Speaker 9: Welcome to the arena.
[19:33] Speaker 2: What's up, baby? What's up? How you feeling? Good, good, good.
[19:37] Speaker 3: What's up, man?
[19:38] Speaker 10: Hey, man, I'm glad you wore the crown, bro.
[19:41] Speaker 2: That bitch hard. Appreciate that, man. Starting to shit, bro.
[19:42] Speaker 2: we get back to.
[19:44] Speaker 4: Cooper flag, obviously you from Detroit.
[19:44] Speaker 2: You got CP. You starting to shit? I ain't like
[19:47] Speaker 2: a gangster. Damn! So we're talking Cooper flag, but before
[20:10] Speaker 2: Big Pistons fan.
[20:10] Speaker 1: We have some people on this couch that have been
[20:12] Speaker 1: disrespectful to your city, one in particular, wearing an all-black suit.
[20:16] Speaker 2: That's why you... You're trying to point to me?
[20:18] Speaker 3: Wow.
[20:19] Speaker 2: Wait, what did you say exactly? You said the city?
[20:22] Speaker 2: That's crazy. Or the team?
[20:23] Speaker 3: You know what's crazy, though? You said you wanted to
[20:25] Speaker 3: be a pimp, though.
[20:26] Speaker 2: I know.
[20:27] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[20:27] Speaker 2: Not a Detroit pimp.
[20:29] Speaker 3: I mean, that's like the original pimp.
[20:31] Speaker 2: The original pimp. Okay.
[20:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[20:33] Speaker 2: Did not know that.
[20:34] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[20:34] Speaker 2: I didn't know that. What'd I say?
[20:36] Speaker 3: You can't sit on Detroit, man.
[20:37] Speaker 2: I think it was more team-related, but the people of Detroit... No,
[20:40] Speaker 2: I talked about the water before. But that's just local.
[20:43] Speaker 2: That's Flint. That's Flint. So y'all don't even count. But
[20:45] Speaker 2: shout out to Flint, though. Is that part of.
[20:48] Speaker 3: I mean, no, but they still need water, though.
[20:50] Speaker 2: That's fucked up. You know what I'm saying?
[20:52] Speaker 3: They still need that shit fixed.
[20:53] Speaker 2: Everybody needs to hide. No, no, no. It wasn't in
[20:56] Speaker 2: that capacity.
[20:58] Speaker 3: That shit's still patsy coming out the sink.
[21:01] Speaker 2: No, so I was.
[21:02] Speaker 4: Okay, now, as a comedian, you will understand the joking
[21:06] Speaker 4: side of it.
[21:06] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, of course. Right where there's girls....
[21:10] Speaker 4: Posting the water, and I'm like, yeah, I'm going to
[21:13] Speaker 4: unfollow all these Detroit girls because if that's the water
[21:16] Speaker 4: y'all bathing in, I know your pH.
[21:18] Speaker 3: Balance is off.
[21:19] Speaker 2: It was more in that sense of it.
[21:21] Speaker 3: Wow.
[21:21] Speaker 2: You see?
[21:22] Speaker 4: Wow.
[21:23] Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the water quality, and you're trying to
[21:25] Speaker 2: come over and give me the knock-knock. No, thank you.
[21:27] Speaker 3: So you just threw Detroit pussy under the bus.
[21:30] Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'll pass. Wow. Improper pH balance.
[21:35] Speaker 2: I heard that. No, but that was back then. I
[21:38] Speaker 2: got killed. They said too early. Too early. I'm like, man,
[21:42] Speaker 2: too early.
[21:43] Speaker 1: CP, Pistons fan, how are you feeling about Pistons heading
[21:46] Speaker 1: into next season, especially with all the kind of injuries
[21:48] Speaker 1: decimated in the Eastern Conference?
[21:49] Speaker 2: It looks like they might have a chance.
[21:50] Speaker 3: Hey, man, the East looking sweet right now. East looking sweet.
[21:54] Speaker 3: If the Pistons keep that little core together, I think
[21:56] Speaker 3: we're going to be good. I think we can do, like,
[21:58] Speaker 3: realistically fifth in the East. You know what I'm saying?
[22:04] Speaker 3: That's like playing spades, knowing you got seven, but you
[22:06] Speaker 3: can say five just so you want to be modest.
[22:09] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's easy.
[22:14] Speaker 3: Who's four in the East better in the Pistons?
[22:17] Speaker 2: Right now, Cleveland. Regular season. No, I'm just saying, you know,
[22:22] Speaker 2: just Cleveland. Cleveland, New York. And it's you and Orlando.
[22:26] Speaker 2: Top three?
[22:27] Speaker 3: I could go top three.
[22:28] Speaker 2: You think this is going to go top three?
[22:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they can. I do too. You know
[22:33] Speaker 3: what I'm saying? But yeah, you're right. Real talk, I
[22:35] Speaker 3: don't think it's... They definitely could be flirting between three
[22:37] Speaker 3: and four.
[22:38] Speaker 2: Orlando got better.
[22:41] Speaker 4: To be honest, it all depends on how the beginning
[22:44] Speaker 4: of that season starts. Especially with a team like that,
[22:47] Speaker 4: if you're playing like... Bottom feet, Charlottes and all of those,
[22:51] Speaker 4: getting those easy wins early to get that confidence, it's
[22:54] Speaker 4: easy to sustain it. But if you're playing top-tier teams early,
[22:58] Speaker 4: going down, damn, 4-0. I mean, 0-4, you'd be like, oh, man.
[23:01] Speaker 3: I want to see Jaden Ivey. Back with a sir.
[23:04] Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying? Like, we got some pieces.
[23:06] Speaker 3: Haven't played together long. I feel like we went far,
[23:09] Speaker 3: you know?
[23:10] Speaker 1: Pistons did not have a draft pick in the first
[23:12] Speaker 1: round draft. Had the 37th pick today. So we'll see
[23:14] Speaker 1: what they can get moving and shaking. A lot of
[23:17] Speaker 1: moves going on.
[23:17] Speaker 2: What? They only have one pick? They only have one
[23:19] Speaker 2: pick in this draft. Who they give all their picks to?
[23:22] Speaker 3: Maybe for Blake, I think, back in the day.
[23:25] Speaker 2: Back in the day.
[23:26] Speaker 4: Damn. See, that's what we see. Those be the things
[23:29] Speaker 4: that be fun. But no, those be the things that
[23:31] Speaker 4: be talking about. Y'all be getting rid of these. Y'all
[23:33] Speaker 4: be getting rid of y'all future.
[23:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[23:37] Speaker 4: That'd have been great having like a top 20 pick
[23:40] Speaker 4: with this team.
[23:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[23:42] Speaker 4: 37.
[23:42] Speaker 2: See, 37, you're going to get a senior or a
[23:47] Speaker 2: really young dude that you just.
[23:49] Speaker 3: But that's just one pick. I think like for the
[23:50] Speaker 3: last three drafts, we've been in the top five.
[23:52] Speaker 2: Okay. That's good. One more pick. Yeah. So their pick
[23:58] Speaker 2: this year, I went to Minnesota. I went to Minnesota.
[24:03] Speaker 3: Who are you? How are you a Minnesota pick?
[24:06] Speaker 2: How it go?
[24:07] Speaker 1: But we were talking NBA draft, talking Cooper Flagg, number
[24:10] Speaker 1: one overall pick by the Dallas Mavericks.
[24:14] Speaker 2: So back to Flagg.
[24:15] Speaker 1: LeBron James recently commented on Flagg's game in an episode
[24:18] Speaker 1: of his Mind the Game podcast. Had high praise for
[24:20] Speaker 1: the former Duke Blue Devil.
[24:23] Speaker 2: I personally think that he wants to be great.
[24:26] Speaker 11: You know, you know, he had a hell of a
[24:28] Speaker 11: year at Duke, a guy that can do so many
[24:32] Speaker 11: different things on the floor, can play with the ball,
[24:34] Speaker 11: can play without the ball. You know, his jump shot
[24:38] Speaker 11: is going to continue to get better. Super athletic, quick
[24:40] Speaker 11: second jump. And also he has the benefit. Unlike myself,
[24:48] Speaker 11: he gets to join a team that's established.
[24:50] Speaker 2: Right. With.
[24:51] Speaker 11: Hall of Fame guys, Klay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving,
[24:55] Speaker 11: right off the bat, Hall of Fame coach Jason Kidd.
[24:59] Speaker 11: These guys are like, they can give him the whole
[25:04] Speaker 11: blueprint while he continues to learn what his blueprint will be.
[25:10] Speaker 11: And I think that's going to be an incredible thing
[25:12] Speaker 11: for him to have that type of presence, that type
[25:16] Speaker 11: of leadership.
[25:18] Speaker 2: That type of, you know.
[25:20] Speaker 11: Just basketball IQ and knowledge around him every single day
[25:23] Speaker 11: from those pieces.
[25:25] Speaker 2: So I think he's going to be amazing.
[25:28] Speaker 3: Why are they inside them Call of Duty crates? Like,
[25:32] Speaker 3: what was the point of that background? Like, they could
[25:33] Speaker 3: have had anything.
[25:35] Speaker 2: They mining the game. They too busy mining the game
[25:37] Speaker 2: to furnish.
[25:38] Speaker 3: All right, I get it. You know what I'm saying?
[25:41] Speaker 3: You know, they can do a lot of things. Like, yeah,
[25:43] Speaker 3: put the crates up. Crack the crates. Put the crates
[25:45] Speaker 3: against the wall. So we can talk about the game.
[25:48] Speaker 3: And some crates.
[25:49] Speaker 2: And some crates. And some crates.
[25:51] Speaker 3: Oh, I get it. Because we're the greats. You know,
[25:55] Speaker 3: the greats and crates. Is that the name of the podcast?
[25:58] Speaker 3: The greats and crates.
[26:00] Speaker 1: Mind the Game podcast. Brian Basie's saying he came to
[26:02] Speaker 1: a team full of bums and.
[26:03] Speaker 2: Right. Damn. Low IQ. Okay, the second part, but.
[26:12] Speaker 2: The team itself, it was all hype. I mean, the
[26:17] Speaker 2: Cleveland team, they were all young, but you're talking about
[26:21] Speaker 2: Darius Miles, Carlos Boozer, Ricky Davis. Yeah, Ricky was averaging 27.
[26:27] Speaker 2: Darnell Marshall. Darnell Marshall.
[26:29] Speaker 4: They had a young team, so adding him, them motherfuckers
[26:32] Speaker 4: would have been.
[26:32] Speaker 1: But some members of that squad had some. They got
[26:35] Speaker 1: rid of them by the middle of the season.
[26:36] Speaker 2: They got traded in the middle of that rookie season.
[26:51] Speaker 1: But to Braun's point, Flagg joining a talented crew over
[26:55] Speaker 1: in Dallas. Obviously Kyrie out with the ACL, but he
[26:57] Speaker 1: should be back hopefully some point next season. So that's
[26:59] Speaker 1: not typical for a number one pick besides guys like Magic.
[27:02] Speaker 2: Johnson, Tim Duncan.
[27:03] Speaker 1: So how much will the strong supporting cast in Dallas
[27:05] Speaker 1: help Flagg's development?
[27:07] Speaker 3: They just went to the finals like two years ago. Yeah,
[27:10] Speaker 3: they lost Luka, right? But I mean, you add AD
[27:13] Speaker 3: and if Cooper come in and be... a B-plus player.
[27:17] Speaker 3: I think, I mean, they got enough experience over there. Like,
[27:20] Speaker 3: I mean, it looks scary. They still got Lively.
[27:24] Speaker 2: Like, they still got Klay.
[27:27] Speaker 3: They got Klay. Don't forget about Klay. Klay can get hot.
[27:29] Speaker 3: He ain't got a dribble.
[27:30] Speaker 2: P.J. Washington.
[27:31] Speaker 3: P.J.
[27:32] Speaker 2: Washington. Oh, yeah.
[27:33] Speaker 3: I forgot about P.J. Is CP going there?
[27:36] Speaker 1: So they have that 5.7 million taxpayer MLE that they're
[27:39] Speaker 1: going to try to use to get a guy like CP, Schroeder, D'Lo.
[27:42] Speaker 2: Little D'Lo.
[27:43] Speaker 3: Oh, Little D'Lo.
[27:44] Speaker 2: Little D'Lo. Little D'Lo. Names that are being thrown out.
[27:48] Speaker 3: Do you think CP will win the league in San Antonio?
[27:51] Speaker 2: He's going to be a free agent, so it may
[27:53] Speaker 2: not be his choice. Fuck the whole team. D'Lo will
[27:55] Speaker 2: be done over there. Ha!
[27:57] Speaker 3: He said he's going to fuck.
[27:59] Speaker 2: The whole team up. Little D-Lo. Can't nobody do nothing.
[28:05] Speaker 2: All right? Bro, you can't keep holding that man to
[28:08] Speaker 2: your young age. He said, can't nobody do nothing, man.
[28:11] Speaker 3: Y'all with the boring ass locker room where nothing can happen.
[28:14] Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he's grown since then. He got the bridge.
[28:17] Speaker 2: Some pieces just fell out. That was the early him.
[28:21] Speaker 2: We ain't the same man no more.
[28:23] Speaker 3: Hey, man, he did you a favor, man. He did
[28:26] Speaker 3: you a favor, man. She ain't had no hits, nigga.
[28:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
[28:29] Speaker 3: She ain't had no hits.
[28:30] Speaker 2: She fell off, man. Look at you. You on Dio's Arena.
[28:35] Speaker 2: You on Dio's Arena. He saved you. Come on, man.
[28:38] Speaker 2: He saved you half. Come on, man. He saved you
[28:41] Speaker 2: half because you wasn't stopping. She ain't had no hits.
[28:43] Speaker 2: You wasn't going over there. We went to the Hitchcade.
[28:46] Speaker 3: Big Booty White Girls was like six years ago.
[28:48] Speaker 2: We're not even doing that.
[28:50] Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
[28:50] Speaker 2: Ever since you dropped it, boom, we ain't seen her.
[28:52] Speaker 3: They're not never going to go out, though.
[28:54] Speaker 2: You can't say that. She being done. Tell them the truth, man. Yo,
[28:57] Speaker 2: Big 3 career as a coach is bigger than her.
[29:01] Speaker 3: That's forever. He's somewhere in the 40s, man.
[29:03] Speaker 2: That girl walking in right now. Everybody did. You feel me?
[29:10] Speaker 2: I heard she do got OnlyFans, though.
[29:12] Speaker 1: She actually quit OnlyFans, I think, back in October. Was
[29:15] Speaker 1: one of the top earners.
[29:16] Speaker 2: That was her best career. Yeah.
[29:18] Speaker 3: That's where the hits come in.
[29:20] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[29:21] Speaker 6: That's a lot of they best talent. Use your best
[29:24] Speaker 6: talent for your best career.
[29:26] Speaker 3: She traded in the song for the thong.
[29:29] Speaker 2: I'm going to just be honest. How do you... How
[29:31] Speaker 2: do you... Ah! And steal your white one?
[29:35] Speaker 3: She taught me a lot, man. Calisthenics, piece of cancer.
[29:37] Speaker 2: What's wrong with his mind? How do you feel?
[29:45] Speaker 3: Right?
[29:45] Speaker 2: He's like, damn. Man, that's the woman you want most, man.
[29:48] Speaker 3: Oh, man. I ain't know you still heard about it, man.
[29:51] Speaker 3: I thought he was a big guy over there.
[29:52] Speaker 2: Nah, man. Nah, man. Just come on. I don't like
[29:55] Speaker 2: this seat, right? This is not a good seat. No, no,
[29:57] Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I'm just asking. Damn.
[29:59] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[30:00] Speaker 2: You didn't say Monday going to ride, man? He need
[30:02] Speaker 2: to go on a ride, man. I'm just saying, it's
[30:04] Speaker 2: kind of like, your girl leave, there's just really two
[30:07] Speaker 2: things that kind of hurt you in your soul.
[30:08] Speaker 4: One.
[30:10] Speaker 2: She goes to the other side. She becomes a lesbian.
[30:12] Speaker 2: That hurts. Low key, that hurts. No, that don't hurt.
[30:16] Speaker 2: It do. It do. I was that fucked up. She
[30:18] Speaker 2: was like, shit, you know what? I'm going to the
[30:20] Speaker 2: other side. I want to be with another woman. That
[30:22] Speaker 2: kind of hurts. And then just.
[30:23] Speaker 3: She wanted to get a taste of her own medicine.
[30:25] Speaker 2: Or a stripper. Or hook her up for OnlyFans. That's like, damn.
[30:30] Speaker 2: She'd rather be a stripper than fuck with me. She's
[30:33] Speaker 2: about to get a taste of her own medicine. Let
[30:35] Speaker 2: her do it. Let her do it.
[30:37] Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
[30:37] Speaker 2: Let her deal with that. Let her deal with that part.
[30:46] Speaker 2: Let her buy a.
[30:47] Speaker 3: Bitch a dinner.
[30:48] Speaker 2: See how she feel. That's a personality thing. Afterwards, on
[30:51] Speaker 2: the way home. See how she feel. Again, nothing out
[30:55] Speaker 2: of this shit. Oh, man, please. Let her buy somebody
[30:58] Speaker 2: a bag.
[30:58] Speaker 3: Let me know how that feel.
[31:00] Speaker 2: Pay for the mortgage. So, gentlemen, before this conversation, beard off.
[31:05] Speaker 2: Miss nigga. Taste of your own medicine.
[31:10] Speaker 1: We were talking about Cooper Flagg, being able to enter
[31:14] Speaker 1: the league with a strong supporting cast.
[31:15] Speaker 2: But I want to ask you a question.
[31:17] Speaker 1: So obviously your high school career played at a lower
[31:21] Speaker 1: level high school, but you had the opportunity to be
[31:22] Speaker 1: the man. Your son Elijah followed a similar trajectory in
[31:26] Speaker 1: terms of learning how to be the man.
[31:27] Speaker 2: Flagg a little bit different.
[31:28] Speaker 1: Went to Mount Verde, played with three other guys who
[31:30] Speaker 1: got drafted in the first round during his time there.
[31:33] Speaker 1: Went to Duke, obviously, played with several other guys on
[31:36] Speaker 1: that squad who got drafted there. So he's had a
[31:38] Speaker 1: different experience. So it would be an easier transition for
[31:40] Speaker 1: him to be able to come into a squad that's
[31:42] Speaker 1: already put together like this Mav squad and not a
[31:44] Speaker 1: bottom feeder that's rebuilding.
[31:46] Speaker 4: Okay, just, you know, the research of it, right, of
[31:50] Speaker 4: the new school system of everybody teaming up to win
[31:53] Speaker 4: high school basketball championships. Well, me doing the research, finding out, like,
[31:59] Speaker 4: where all the kids ended up. Did they end up
[32:01] Speaker 4: to the pros? And then when they got to the pros,
[32:03] Speaker 4: who are they, right? And then go back to the
[32:05] Speaker 4: old school where guys were the man on their teams, carrying.
[32:10] Speaker 1: But he was the man in each one of these situations.
[32:12] Speaker 2: He averaged 13 in high school as a senior. Powerful 13, though.
[32:17] Speaker 3: Powerful.
[32:18] Speaker 6: Powerful 13 is crazy, bro. You didn't know that? He's
[32:25] Speaker 6: a generational talent. A facilitator. A facilitator.
[32:29] Speaker 1: Sacrifice his own for the good of the team.
[32:31] Speaker 4: No, his team was juggernauts, so everybody was five stars.
[32:35] Speaker 4: So what I found out is these guys who teamed
[32:38] Speaker 4: up together, they all sacrificed during an age period where
[32:43] Speaker 4: they needed to learn how to be selfish and find
[32:47] Speaker 4: out who they are, try to maximize what you can do.
[32:50] Speaker 4: So what these five-star schools started producing was great role players.
[32:58] Speaker 4: Players that teamed up with five stars and knew how
[33:01] Speaker 4: to play within the team.
[33:04] Speaker 2: Structure.
[33:05] Speaker 4: None of them really stood out. There's only a few outliers.
[33:09] Speaker 4: But for the most part, like Ben Simmons, you figure
[33:13] Speaker 4: out how to blend in with your group and be
[33:15] Speaker 4: more team-oriented.
[33:16] Speaker 2: So you're creating the perfect second option type of guys.
[33:20] Speaker 3: Perfect college players.
[33:21] Speaker 4: Yeah, so when Cooper Flagg is going into this situation,
[33:25] Speaker 4: he basically knows how to blend in. Goes in, all
[33:29] Speaker 4: we need you to do is rebound, hustle, and then
[33:31] Speaker 4: get rebounds. He can be like, okay, and do that
[33:34] Speaker 4: to his job. If you're saying, hey, Cooper Flagg.
[33:36] Speaker 2: I need you to come in here and carry us
[33:39] Speaker 2: he's never really had to just put the team on
[33:42] Speaker 2: his back and be a bottom feeding type of guy
[33:45] Speaker 2: to learn how to average. Since he was in high school.
[33:48] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[33:48] Speaker 2: So that's the flaw of the five star, you know, systems.
[33:54] Speaker 4: Not saying this is, you know, going to be his situation,
[33:56] Speaker 4: but because of how he grew, he don't, his ego
[33:59] Speaker 4: won't clash with an AD and all of them because
[34:02] Speaker 4: he's been with other superstars before. So he's going to
[34:04] Speaker 4: come in average, you know, For a decent year for him,
[34:08] Speaker 4: that goes like, yeah, he did good.
[34:13] Speaker 2: 13-8, 15-8, 6-5. Like, that's going to be his numbers.
[34:15] Speaker 2: He's not going to be in the 20s or something
[34:16] Speaker 2: because his team is good. Yeah, right.
[34:18] Speaker 3: So him leaving that five-star high school program, then going
[34:21] Speaker 3: to Duke, he went from program to program, now to
[34:24] Speaker 3: the NBA to program. You're saying they just, that pipeline
[34:27] Speaker 3: is like good road. For him, it's a perfect, it's...
[34:32] Speaker 3: He also big as fuck.
[34:33] Speaker 2: It's great for success.
[34:34] Speaker 3: Like, it's a great.
[34:36] Speaker 2: It's great for success.
[34:37] Speaker 4: He's been fortunate to find a path that is playing
[34:42] Speaker 4: to his attributes and what he's going to a system
[34:46] Speaker 4: that is already built. He's not going to some bottom-fitting
[34:49] Speaker 4: team that has no structure where you can see his flaws.
[34:52] Speaker 2: Was that a good or bad thing, though?
[34:53] Speaker 1: Because you go to these bottom-fitting teams, you get to
[34:55] Speaker 1: play a ton of minutes, you get to be forced
[34:56] Speaker 1: to beat them. It depends on who you are. Now
[34:59] Speaker 1: I got to put up 20 and 10. I got
[35:00] Speaker 1: to do this consistently every night, get thrown into the fire.
[35:03] Speaker 2: For him and his path, This is a great system
[35:07] Speaker 2: for him.
[35:07] Speaker 4: You have some freak of nature who's a one-on-one player
[35:11] Speaker 4: by himself, then he needs a bottom-feeding team where he
[35:13] Speaker 4: can mentally just take over and then become that selfish
[35:16] Speaker 4: being where you start building around him.
[35:20] Speaker 1: So Flagg did reclassify, left as a junior, went to Duke,
[35:24] Speaker 1: led the team in points, rebounds, and assists.
[35:26] Speaker 2: Obviously, it was a loaded roster. He passed it.
[35:29] Speaker 4: What he gets to do is learn basketball early. He
[35:33] Speaker 4: has so many great veterans and a great program where
[35:36] Speaker 4: he gets to He gets to build and learn with
[35:41] Speaker 4: his mistakes without being crucified because the winning is going
[35:44] Speaker 4: to shut everybody down.
[35:45] Speaker 3: What is he, the four?
[35:47] Speaker 2: You can put him at the four to three.
[35:49] Speaker 3: You know AD loves playing AD.
[35:51] Speaker 4: So then when 50-something games, nobody's going to say anything
[35:55] Speaker 4: about him.
[35:56] Speaker 1: Basically, whatever he does, he's basically playing with house money.
[36:01] Speaker 1: If the Mavs are a good team, he contributes to
[36:04] Speaker 1: the game. But now let's say if the Mavs are
[36:05] Speaker 1: boo-boo just in some off chance and he's not.
[36:07] Speaker 2: No, you're going to blame AD. Okay. Well.
[36:11] Speaker 4: Right now AD is the number one focal point on
[36:13] Speaker 4: how to success. So whatever Cooper flag adds to it
[36:17] Speaker 4: helps AD, but it helps himself too. So he can,
[36:21] Speaker 4: like now if he averages 20 and 10 because no
[36:24] Speaker 4: one's focusing on him. Now you're talking about Tim Duncan
[36:27] Speaker 4: when he went to Spurs. So now everybody's looking at, hey, man,
[36:30] Speaker 4: this motherfucker's a woo. And by the time he gets
[36:33] Speaker 4: to be by himself, he's already established his confidence and
[36:36] Speaker 4: his skill level. So it's a perfect way for him
[36:40] Speaker 4: to build his legacy on just straight win power.
[36:45] Speaker 2: So let's shift to this side of the couch shot.
[36:47] Speaker 1: How much will a strong supporting cast in Dallas help
[36:50] Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg's development?
[36:52] Speaker 2: A lot.
[36:53] Speaker 6: He don't have to worry about What all the other
[36:55] Speaker 6: number one picks had to worry about. You know, he
[36:58] Speaker 6: has a safety net. He can hide behind. If he
[37:01] Speaker 6: plays bad, if he don't have a good season, you
[37:04] Speaker 6: can still say he's a generation of talent because he's
[37:08] Speaker 6: playing with good players. You know, the narrative's set up
[37:10] Speaker 6: for him. So all we really got to do is
[37:12] Speaker 6: go and learn, like I was saying. Just learn. You
[37:15] Speaker 6: ain't really got to do nothing. You got to show up.
[37:16] Speaker 6: That's the benefit of this type of situation.
[37:20] Speaker 2: Everybody can carry you.
[37:22] Speaker 6: That's the benefit of you know the route he took
[37:24] Speaker 6: kind of like everybody just kind of respect you play
[37:29] Speaker 6: with the powerhouse teams when i went to prep school
[37:33] Speaker 6: we went to prep school to become polished college players
[37:35] Speaker 6: that wasn't like you became a star if you had
[37:39] Speaker 6: the talent like but everybody was there to learn how
[37:42] Speaker 6: to play college style basketball so i think everybody transitioned
[37:46] Speaker 6: from That type of high school to college is prepped
[37:49] Speaker 6: for that. And if you can shine in college, then
[37:52] Speaker 6: you can be a pro. That, I think, was the
[37:55] Speaker 6: old pipeline. Well, I mean, you would say Flagg shined
[37:57] Speaker 6: in college, though. He came and lived up to expectations.
[38:00] Speaker 6: Coach K said he's the best Duke freshman that he's
[38:03] Speaker 6: ever seen. I think, obviously, we may disagree here on
[38:05] Speaker 6: this couch, but.
[38:09] Speaker 2: He's the best freshman? Coach K's words, not mine.
[38:12] Speaker 3: Better than Zion?
[38:14] Speaker 2: Coach K. Well, Kenyon said, yeah.
[38:17] Speaker 3: Zion had a crazy freshman year.
[38:18] Speaker 2: Again, you know, we could debate and discuss. Who else
[38:21] Speaker 2: would have been there as freshmen themselves? I think what Taylor, Kyrie.
[38:25] Speaker 2: Paulo Banchero. Paulo. Elton Brand. He's nowhere near Paulo Banchero. Kyrie.
[38:30] Speaker 2: Kyrie played 11 games.
[38:31] Speaker 3: Kyrie only had a game. He only had a couple games.
[38:33] Speaker 2: But we're not about pick. I'm talking about just attributes.
[38:35] Speaker 2: I know.
[38:36] Speaker 10: 11 games.
[38:36] Speaker 3: I don't know what Grant Hill was as a freshman.
[38:38] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[38:38] Speaker 2: I think.
[38:44] Speaker 1: Flag the fifth number one overall pick to come out
[38:46] Speaker 1: of Duke since 1999.
[38:48] Speaker 2: Sixth overall. Since 1999. How many of them been one
[38:51] Speaker 2: and dones? And I'm pretty sure they won.
[38:54] Speaker 3: Most of them. Probably like four of them.
[38:57] Speaker 2: So the best players. Tyree.
[38:58] Speaker 10: Tatum.
[38:59] Speaker 2: So all the best. Tatum. Tatum. Tatum Ingram.
[39:03] Speaker 3: So.
[39:04] Speaker 2: So, basically, all the players came. So, Paolo's the last one. Zion, Kyrie. So, basically,
[39:11] Speaker 2: all Duke's best players, for the most part, the young ones,
[39:14] Speaker 2: one and done, two and done, came after he got
[39:20] Speaker 2: the job for USA Basketball.
[39:22] Speaker 3: Yes.
[39:23] Speaker 2: They all been good, though. They all been good in
[39:26] Speaker 2: the league, though.
[39:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, before that, Duke players, it's like, you're a great
[39:32] Speaker 4: system player.
[39:34] Speaker 2: Nobody really... It was when.
[39:36] Speaker 4: 2006 came and you got to use that and negotiate,
[39:39] Speaker 4: which I thought was... I don't know why colleges didn't
[39:43] Speaker 4: actually combat that, where you can't You can't do you
[39:48] Speaker 4: can't do USA basketball and be a college coach because
[39:52] Speaker 4: now all these players that you're recruiting, you get to
[39:55] Speaker 4: use the USA pipeline and say, oh, 18.
[39:59] Speaker 2: I'm the head. I'm the head snake of USA basketball. Right.
[40:03] Speaker 4: So 18, you 19, you who do you think we've
[40:06] Speaker 4: been looking at? So I need you to come on
[40:08] Speaker 4: to the program. I'll make sure you go through this pipeline.
[40:10] Speaker 4: You know, that's a great-ass pitch.
[40:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
[40:13] Speaker 1: That's a great-ass pitch, especially when you say, I don't
[40:15] Speaker 1: do one-and-dones, and then you get the job, and then
[40:17] Speaker 1: all of a sudden everybody's one-and-dones now. Cooper Flagg currently
[40:21] Speaker 1: the favorite to win rookie of the year, but do
[40:22] Speaker 1: you think being on a squad like the Mavs, he's
[40:25] Speaker 1: the favorite of the year?
[40:27] Speaker 2: Favorite of rookie of the year? So Cooper Flagg, Ace
[40:29] Speaker 2: Bailey second, Trey Johnson third, Dylan Harper fourth.
[40:32] Speaker 3: I mean, he's going to be able to be consistent.
[40:35] Speaker 2: He's going to be rookie of the year. The wins... Like,
[40:38] Speaker 2: you got to remember, like, when you are number one.
[40:41] Speaker 4: Like the top five picks, and just in theory, you're
[40:44] Speaker 4: going to a bottom-feeding team.
[40:47] Speaker 2: You will have numbers, not have the wins. Right? So
[40:51] Speaker 2: now you're saying that he's going to be.
[40:53] Speaker 4: Guaranteed 50-plus wins this season. So averaging 13, 5, 15, 7,
[41:01] Speaker 4: like Jason Taylor. Yeah, that's going to be rookie of
[41:05] Speaker 4: the year because they're going to add the wins.
[41:08] Speaker 2: To the regular number.
[41:09] Speaker 4: So the only way that he's going to get beat
[41:11] Speaker 4: is if he's averaging, somebody that's averaging 22.8 or.
[41:14] Speaker 2: Something like some off-the-wall shit. So for the most part, yeah.
[41:19] Speaker 2: You don't think they need him to score over there?
[41:21] Speaker 2: Not right now. Not this year. Who's that scoring coming from, though?
[41:24] Speaker 2: Just AD. AD, Klay? Let's see.
[41:28] Speaker 3: He's not. He's not.
[41:30] Speaker 2: So he'll be back hopefully January, February. He's not.
[41:34] Speaker 4: Okay, so what he does do that he goes hard
[41:37] Speaker 4: as fuck. Like he plays hard, right? That's one thing
[41:41] Speaker 4: he does. Like he plays hard. He's not like really
[41:44] Speaker 4: a like give it to you. Let's go give me
[41:47] Speaker 4: a bucket, right? He's going to go left and try
[41:49] Speaker 4: to spin back. That's his go-to move. Go, go left
[41:52] Speaker 4: and then try to see if he can spin back
[41:54] Speaker 4: to go back right.
[41:54] Speaker 2: That's what he got. But for the most part, he's
[41:56] Speaker 2: not a one. He's not Paulo.
[41:59] Speaker 4: Like, I'm going to give you the ball and you're
[42:00] Speaker 4: going to get your points off. So he's going to
[42:02] Speaker 4: get his points within the system.
[42:03] Speaker 2: Swing, swing, swing. He gets an open shot.
[42:07] Speaker 3: Right?
[42:07] Speaker 4: You know what I mean? That's where most of his
[42:08] Speaker 4: points came from. Everybody playing a zone against Duke and,
[42:12] Speaker 4: you know, he got that open.
[42:13] Speaker 3: So he has no bag?
[42:15] Speaker 2: Not yet. Just not yet.
[42:18] Speaker 3: He has no bag. Nah, he has a bag.
[42:21] Speaker 4: No, no, you got to think about it. He is
[42:23] Speaker 4: the youngest person. He's the youngest person in the draft, right?
[42:27] Speaker 2: Youngest person.
[42:28] Speaker 4: I can't teach 6'9, and a 38, 40-inch vertical, and
[42:33] Speaker 4: play hard.
[42:33] Speaker 3: I can't teach that.
[42:34] Speaker 2: Can I ask a question?
[42:35] Speaker 3: He's doing 6'9.
[42:37] Speaker 2: Backwards oops.
[42:39] Speaker 6: Last year, who was a player outside of Stephon Castle
[42:44] Speaker 6: that you guys can remember as promising?
[42:48] Speaker 2: I've had some moments, but outside of? Outside of Seattle.
[42:54] Speaker 6: Who do we remember as a rookie that we're saying, like, oh,
[42:58] Speaker 6: we can't wait to see him again?
[42:59] Speaker 3: A man in Philly.
[43:02] Speaker 2: McCain?
[43:03] Speaker 3: I like that one.
[43:04] Speaker 2: I like that. I mean, personally, just Rob. Personally, just
[43:07] Speaker 2: thought Rob. He didn't play enough. I know.
[43:10] Speaker 3: Shepard Houston.
[43:11] Speaker 2: Shepard didn't play enough. We thought that. We thought. Dalton Kinnick.
[43:14] Speaker 10: No.
[43:15] Speaker 2: He had a 40 ball. He had a couple. He
[43:18] Speaker 2: had a couple. No, he's talking about before when we're
[43:20] Speaker 2: looking at the draft. No, no, no. I'm saying the
[43:22] Speaker 2: rookie year.
[43:22] Speaker 3: He's saying like rookies that we remember. You know what
[43:24] Speaker 3: I'm saying?
[43:24] Speaker 6: The whole rookie year outside of Stephon Castle.
[43:28] Speaker 2: The biggest name.
[43:29] Speaker 6: Who can we remember that's like a staple? Like we like,
[43:33] Speaker 6: he going to be good.
[43:33] Speaker 4: Oh.
[43:35] Speaker 2: Coming back into the next season. Oh, connect. Once he
[43:39] Speaker 2: finished the words. Once he finished the words. He got
[43:43] Speaker 2: me with it. Edie, connect. Edie, connect. Not no Castle, though. Oh,
[43:49] Speaker 2: without Castle? Without no Castle. So you got Dillingham, connect, Edie.
[43:53] Speaker 2: So who do we think is going to be solid
[43:55] Speaker 2: this year?
[43:57] Speaker 6: Who's going to be solid this year? Well, I'm saying
[43:59] Speaker 6: it from this standpoint. So you see those guys, right?
[44:01] Speaker 6: Stephon Castle's probably the prototype talent that we'll look for
[44:07] Speaker 6: beyond this, right? So think about the draft before that.
[44:11] Speaker 2: Who was the rookies? That year and that last year,
[44:14] Speaker 2: that was Wimby's draft.
[44:15] Speaker 3: Wimby, Asar, Amon.
[44:19] Speaker 2: The Amon boys.
[44:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, the Thompson twins, Wimby, Lively.
[44:23] Speaker 6: Man, so think about that draft, right? We got talent.
[44:27] Speaker 6: These are guys. I thought the Asar guys, the Thompson twins,
[44:31] Speaker 6: were generational talents. I think Wimby was generational talent.
[44:35] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[44:35] Speaker 6: So if you look at the draft this last year
[44:39] Speaker 6: with Stephon Castle.
[44:40] Speaker 2: Now, remember, we was at the Final Four.
[44:42] Speaker 6: We like, man, this college draft going to be kind
[44:45] Speaker 6: of a wash because it's the only kid that got
[44:46] Speaker 6: some potential. He can move like he an NBA player.
[44:49] Speaker 6: He showed it. Everybody else had to get their shit
[44:51] Speaker 6: through the mud. They barely get in playing time. As therefore,
[44:54] Speaker 6: Zach Eady, who was in that same game we watched.
[44:57] Speaker 3: Right.
[44:57] Speaker 2: So I'm looking at it like, OK, let's go back.
[44:59] Speaker 2: Let's go back.
[45:01] Speaker 6: Before when being him, was there guys that we could
[45:04] Speaker 6: say could step into that light?
[45:07] Speaker 2: As a rookie? That was Scoot. That was Scoot. That
[45:11] Speaker 2: was Brandon Miller. That was Wimby in them too. That
[45:13] Speaker 2: was last year.
[45:14] Speaker 3: We look at the one and done theory. Brandon Miller
[45:15] Speaker 3: was in the same draft as.
[45:16] Speaker 2: Not Wimby.
[45:23] Speaker 3: Scoot and Wimby.
[45:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. Wimby, Brandon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So who
[45:32] Speaker 2: was before that draft?
[45:33] Speaker 3: That was A.E. No, that was Ben Carrow.
[45:37] Speaker 6: Okay, so there. We start there. One and done. This
[45:41] Speaker 6: was the last Duke one and done was Ben Carrow, right?
[45:45] Speaker 6: And when he came in his rookie year, was we
[45:47] Speaker 6: expecting him to be number one Ben Carrow?
[45:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, in Orlando. Hell yeah.
[45:52] Speaker 3: He was big as fuck.
[45:53] Speaker 2: Did he deliver?
[45:55] Speaker 3: Yes. Right.
[45:56] Speaker 6: Everybody's going to deliver given the time and the space
[46:00] Speaker 6: to play. He not going to have that time and
[46:03] Speaker 6: space to play. He not going to have that time
[46:05] Speaker 6: and space to prove you got me for this reason.
[46:08] Speaker 2: Who? SGA. Hooper.
[46:10] Speaker 4: See, that's what I'm saying. He falls under the Magic Johnson.
[46:14] Speaker 4: He falls under the Magic Johnson. He falls under the
[46:17] Speaker 4: Tim Duncan style where The position that they need, he
[46:24] Speaker 4: feels it. Versus if he went to, let's say he's
[46:28] Speaker 4: a 3-4. Let's say he got drafted to Orlando. Yeah,
[46:34] Speaker 4: you can technically be a bust in a sense. Because
[46:37] Speaker 4: now the guy in front of you, is a player,
[46:40] Speaker 4: and you got to fight him for minutes on something.
[46:44] Speaker 2: He plays 40-something, so you don't get no time with
[46:46] Speaker 2: the Wagner and the Wagner.
[46:47] Speaker 6: Well, this is my point. You know what I mean?
[46:50] Speaker 6: My point is you in Dallas, right? You're in Dallas.
[46:54] Speaker 6: You get to play and make mistakes, and you get
[46:56] Speaker 6: to do things you wouldn't be able to do if
[46:58] Speaker 6: you was in Orlando by yourself like Banchero.
[47:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[47:02] Speaker 6: You actually have a better net to fuck up, to do.
[47:07] Speaker 2: No, here. And this is what I'm saying. This is
[47:10] Speaker 2: his crutches.
[47:10] Speaker 6: He's not going to be able to get through those
[47:12] Speaker 6: tough times Ventero did to make Ventero the second-year player
[47:16] Speaker 6: he was, the third-year player he is.
[47:18] Speaker 8: No, it depends on if they're winning and they're in playoffs.
[47:21] Speaker 6: Ventero's in a losing situation. He has to build his
[47:24] Speaker 6: team up. He has to get the grit. He has
[47:26] Speaker 6: to get out the mud. You're coming into a situation.
[47:29] Speaker 6: You got to learn from the vets.
[47:30] Speaker 3: But hold on, though.
[47:31] Speaker 2: He learned how to win. He learned how to win.
[47:34] Speaker 4: So what he has is preparation of the game itself.
[47:39] Speaker 2: Like what? Think about like when we go to bottom
[47:41] Speaker 2: feeding teams, how they act. Right. Since we're not winning,
[47:44] Speaker 2: we we we approaching it differently. Right. Well, there is
[47:50] Speaker 2: no different than being at Duke. Y'all have to be
[47:53] Speaker 2: on time. The bus has to be at a time.
[47:56] Speaker 3: We're going to watch film.
[47:57] Speaker 4: So he gets basically a blueprint of success early. So
[48:02] Speaker 4: when there are times where we're going in a different
[48:05] Speaker 4: direction and he is the cornerstone, he understands how to
[48:08] Speaker 4: be a leader because he's learning from them.
[48:11] Speaker 2: Most guys who go to number one picks, those number
[48:14] Speaker 2: one picks, they....
[48:18] Speaker 4: They are supposed to be the leader, and they just
[48:20] Speaker 4: got there. Like, when being Spurs, right?
[48:22] Speaker 3: But let me say this, though.
[48:23] Speaker 2: You got to be battle-tested.
[48:24] Speaker 3: Let me say this, though. Don't forget. Don't forget, bro.
[48:27] Speaker 3: He's going to a team that is a little bit injury-prone, right?
[48:32] Speaker 3: So you think about this. We're not getting Kyrie until January, right?
[48:35] Speaker 3: AD coming off an injury. They're not about to. He's
[48:37] Speaker 3: going to low-manage, bro. Like, it's going to be nights
[48:41] Speaker 3: where it's going to be Cooper's show. Yeah. And so
[48:43] Speaker 3: we're going to be able to see right then how
[48:45] Speaker 3: he can carry a team, how he can get them
[48:47] Speaker 3: to rally behind him, whatever they build around him. We're
[48:50] Speaker 3: going to see it a lot this season because he
[48:53] Speaker 3: got the kind of vets over there that's like, hey,
[48:56] Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying?
[48:57] Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
[48:58] Speaker 3: You got the ice down, baby! He's going to be
[49:01] Speaker 3: the iciest nigga in the league.
[49:02] Speaker 2: But you put too much expectation on him too early. No,
[49:06] Speaker 2: there's none on him.
[49:06] Speaker 3: No.
[49:07] Speaker 2: Like you just said, if they go down, right?
[49:11] Speaker 4: Right.
[49:11] Speaker 6: He's in a situation like an Orlando situation.
[49:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, if they go down. If they go down, right?
[49:16] Speaker 2: So my question is, are you battle-tested and prepared for that? No.
[49:20] Speaker 2: And now if you went to Orlando, you're going to
[49:22] Speaker 2: have to get in the shit anyway. That's what I'm saying.
[49:25] Speaker 3: Bro, they're going to get the shit beat out of
[49:27] Speaker 3: them a couple of times with him not.
[49:29] Speaker 2: Having no help.
[49:30] Speaker 6: And he's going to have to take his legs.
[49:32] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[49:33] Speaker 6: But if he got a full team and supporting cast,
[49:35] Speaker 6: it's harder for you as a rookie. You are supposed
[49:38] Speaker 6: to be in a learning stage.
[49:39] Speaker 3: I guarantee you by the time playoffs start next year,
[49:42] Speaker 3: if they're in position, either play in or have an
[49:45] Speaker 3: actual spot, they're going to be damn near at full
[49:48] Speaker 3: strength right then. And he's going to be battle tested
[49:50] Speaker 3: enough where they can make a deep enough playoff run
[49:53] Speaker 3: with the IQ of the ADs and the Kyries if
[49:57] Speaker 3: they are the way they should be. Like they can
[50:00] Speaker 3: make some fucking.
[50:01] Speaker 12: What he's gonna be learning is very different from what
[50:02] Speaker 12: a bottom feeding guy Yeah, he's gonna be getting.
[50:04] Speaker 2: Reps and stuff.
[50:05] Speaker 6: He's gonna be learning knowledge in game preparation right something
[50:07] Speaker 6: he's not gonna be able to learn and.
[50:25] Speaker 2: For a few years until you start putting in a
[50:27] Speaker 2: system around this person. He comes into the system. So
[50:30] Speaker 2: he learns this. It's like going to private school. He's
[50:33] Speaker 2: going to private school.
[50:34] Speaker 4: So he's going to learn a whole different type of
[50:37] Speaker 4: shit here that public school don't have. Public school, like
[50:40] Speaker 4: this is book knowledge. This is street knowledge, right? At
[50:44] Speaker 4: some point, he's going to need to know this to survive.
[50:48] Speaker 4: At some point, he's going to need to know books
[50:51] Speaker 4: to survive.
[50:52] Speaker 2: So that's all it is.
[50:53] Speaker 3: What teams is a public school, though? Like what team
[50:56] Speaker 3: is like the hood school?
[50:57] Speaker 2: I don't want to know. Charlotte. Charlotte. Charlotte. Charlotte Blazers.
[51:05] Speaker 2: All the teams that just stay at the bottom for the.
[51:07] Speaker 3: Last 37 years. It's your bitch ass locker right here.
[51:14] Speaker 2: Put your shit down.
[51:15] Speaker 4: Y'all don't have lunch and breakfast and stuff like that.
[51:19] Speaker 2: Y'all don't do food here.
[51:22] Speaker 3: Grab you a McMuffin from the lobby.
[51:25] Speaker 2: That's crazy, bro.
[51:26] Speaker 3: You said some of these things.
[51:28] Speaker 2: Let's keep this thing moving.
[51:28] Speaker 1: Cooper flagged number 32 jersey was already on sale at
[51:31] Speaker 1: the Mavs draft party, showing its popularity among the fan base.
[51:34] Speaker 1: So one person who remains unpopular in Dallas is general
[51:37] Speaker 1: manager Nico Harrison. He's been the subject of unfavorable chants
[51:42] Speaker 1: in Mavs fans by Mavs fans ever since the Luka trade.
[51:45] Speaker 1: That continued at the Mavs draft party last night.
[51:54] Speaker 3: They don't get it, do they? Right. Don't you get it?
[52:00] Speaker 2: The fire, Nico, we thought it would subside a little bit.
[52:02] Speaker 2: All right. Lee gave y'all the number one pick.
[52:04] Speaker 3: Thought y'all got what y'all wanted.
[52:06] Speaker 2: Just signed Kyrie to a three-year deal. Still no love.
[52:10] Speaker 1: But after drafting flag, Nico Harrison told ESPN's Tim McMahon,
[52:13] Speaker 1: fortune favors the bold. So it certainly was bold to
[52:17] Speaker 1: send Luka to the Lakers, but at the end of
[52:18] Speaker 1: the day, the Mavs ended up getting the number one pick,
[52:21] Speaker 1: taking Cooper Flagg because of that. Should Mavs fans give
[52:24] Speaker 1: Nico a break at this point? Stall him out.
[52:27] Speaker 3: If I was AD, I'd be kind of like, all right, y'all,
[52:28] Speaker 3: come on. That's the way I said it.
[52:30] Speaker 2: That's the same thing I said. What's going to be doing?
[52:36] Speaker 3: It's like, damn, all right.
[52:38] Speaker 2: Y'all still on that, Nico? All right, that's crazy. Number
[52:41] Speaker 2: one pick, damn. We don't want you, Dusty.
[52:44] Speaker 3: Remember that nigga had the beer?
[52:45] Speaker 2: Fuck y'all. I mean, because they're still in a situation
[52:47] Speaker 2: where they can win. So it's not like it's bad.
[52:50] Speaker 8: It's like you still have players, you have vets, you
[52:52] Speaker 8: have guys who've been to championships, so.
[52:54] Speaker 2: You still have hope. It's not like it's just over.
[52:57] Speaker 3: Man.
[52:57] Speaker 2: I mean.
[52:59] Speaker 3: Business-wise, but as far as we're just talking about basketball,
[53:01] Speaker 3: we still got a chance.
[53:02] Speaker 2: People don't give a fuck about that basketball right now, man.
[53:06] Speaker 2: This is how they're coping with what happened, and they're
[53:09] Speaker 2: going to keep saying this shit until that nigga get fired. No,
[53:12] Speaker 2: I'm saying they better realize it. They might be four
[53:14] Speaker 2: years from now. Four years from now, they could win
[53:16] Speaker 2: three championships. You're going to still hear them chants, but
[53:19] Speaker 2: no damn reason.
[53:20] Speaker 5: Flag is on the same level. That name right there?
[53:24] Speaker 5: You should be happy with that name, Flag.
[53:26] Speaker 2: But when did the fire Nico chance turn to? That's fire, Nico.
[53:32] Speaker 3: When they win it, watch. When they win it.
[53:33] Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you the real thing.
[53:36] Speaker 3: That was fire, Nico. 2003, Detroit, we drafted Darko Milicek
[53:39] Speaker 3: instead of Carmelo Anthony. Everybody in the D was like,
[53:42] Speaker 3: what the fuck is Joe Dumars doing? Damn, fire Joe Dumars.
[53:46] Speaker 3: Same year we won the championship. Nigga was like, he's
[53:49] Speaker 3: Martin Luther King.
[53:50] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? No, but that's the bad part.
[53:54] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? You should have still been
[53:56] Speaker 2: standing because it's not like the pink did anything.
[53:59] Speaker 4: Right.
[53:59] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? It's not like that. That's true.
[54:01] Speaker 3: That's true. Darko ain't, man, what? Yeah, that's crazy. Shout
[54:05] Speaker 3: out to Darko, man.
[54:06] Speaker 2: Shout out to Darko. She said Darko was nice as fuck.
[54:10] Speaker 2: For real?
[54:11] Speaker 4: He said Darko was nice as fuck. The problem with
[54:14] Speaker 4: Darko is Darko was new school. 2010 moving on he
[54:21] Speaker 4: was so if you think about the euros euros wasn't
[54:24] Speaker 4: as popular okay and so he wasn't like milicek yeah
[54:28] Speaker 4: right or he has a core he wasn't like a
[54:30] Speaker 4: core who was on the team too yeah he was
[54:33] Speaker 4: more finesse style so he said he was more like
[54:35] Speaker 4: a chris bosh he said and that's not.
[54:38] Speaker 3: What that ain't what detroit.
[54:40] Speaker 4: Was on no that yeah he wanted he wanted dude
[54:42] Speaker 4: to be in the post and Darko was like, I
[54:45] Speaker 4: don't do the post.
[54:46] Speaker 2: I'm face-up, I'm ISO, I'm this and this.
[54:49] Speaker 4: And Brown was like, yeah, yeah, well, sit your ass
[54:52] Speaker 4: down until you learn how to be in the post.
[54:54] Speaker 2: He said he was a face-up.
[54:55] Speaker 4: He was literally like a Chris Bosh style. So she
[54:58] Speaker 4: was like, that nigga wasn't fucking with him after that.
[54:59] Speaker 4: And then from there, he just lost his confidence. But
[55:03] Speaker 4: he said when it comes to just talent, he said
[55:06] Speaker 4: he had it.
[55:07] Speaker 2: It wasn't the wrong team. It was the wrong coach
[55:15] Speaker 2: for him because the coach played basketball a certain way
[55:19] Speaker 2: and he needed certain people to do certain things and
[55:22] Speaker 2: the thing he needed Darko to do, Darko just didn't
[55:25] Speaker 2: do it.
[55:25] Speaker 3: You don't think it was the wrong time, too? I
[55:27] Speaker 3: think that, like, you need a sample size in the
[55:29] Speaker 3: league for somebody to be like, he played like my man. Like,
[55:32] Speaker 3: somebody who's successful with that. Like you said, Chris Bosh.
[55:35] Speaker 3: Chris Bosh hadn't, he hadn't proven it yet.
[55:37] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[55:38] Speaker 3: Like, you need a, when you the first one, you
[55:41] Speaker 3: got to be able to do both things. Do what
[55:43] Speaker 3: they need you to do and then incorporate your shit
[55:45] Speaker 3: if you want to be able to play. You know
[55:47] Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Unless you just balling.
[55:51] Speaker 6: I had a conversation with Darko. partied with him one
[55:54] Speaker 6: night in Detroit. And it was a coach thing. It
[55:59] Speaker 6: was simply, he did not fuck with coach, coaches did
[56:02] Speaker 6: not fuck with him. And, you know, he was playing
[56:05] Speaker 6: behind McDyess and Sheed and Ben and all those guys.
[56:08] Speaker 6: And he didn't have a problem with them. He had
[56:12] Speaker 6: a problem with the coach. Like, you could tell, like,
[56:14] Speaker 6: his energy about, like, playing time. Like, he wasn't getting
[56:18] Speaker 6: no playing time. When you get drafted that high, you
[56:21] Speaker 6: looking at everybody else playing. You know you can play,
[56:24] Speaker 6: but your team good. So he would just party.
[56:28] Speaker 3: He went a couple other places, though. Played with some
[56:30] Speaker 3: other coaches.
[56:31] Speaker 6: The damage was already done.
[56:34] Speaker 2: His confidence, when we was chilling or whatever, bro, he
[56:37] Speaker 2: was broken. Damn. Broken, bro, because he came over here.
[56:42] Speaker 2: He came over here to play. Yeah. I don't like rookies, right? Yeah.
[56:46] Speaker 2: I hated rookies.
[56:47] Speaker 6: And that's why his class with Larry was just like, oh,
[56:49] Speaker 6: why you hating on me?
[56:51] Speaker 3: Larry one of the coaches.
[56:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, Larry.
[56:52] Speaker 3: Larry got into AI publicly about practice and all that shit.
[56:55] Speaker 3: Some of them coaches is like.
[56:57] Speaker 2: You know. Back then. And Larry Hughes and all that. Yeah.
[57:01] Speaker 3: It was a part of the show.
[57:03] Speaker 2: Wait, did he coach Larry Hughes?
[57:04] Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
[57:05] Speaker 2: And that's where. So Larry Hughes thing. Because Allen Iverson
[57:09] Speaker 2: was a two. So he was trying to move Allen
[57:11] Speaker 2: Iverson to the two.
[57:12] Speaker 4: So he needed a big guard that can guard the twos.
[57:16] Speaker 4: So he's trying to make Larry Hughes a point guard.
[57:19] Speaker 4: And back then, being a scorer, but having to be
[57:24] Speaker 4: in the point guard, it was a no-no. So he
[57:26] Speaker 4: didn't like the ideal of Larry Hughes because Larry Hughes
[57:28] Speaker 4: didn't want to be the point.
[57:29] Speaker 2: Like, yo, I'm a two guard. Like, I'm a slasher.
[57:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, I know how to pass the ball to bring
[57:33] Speaker 4: it up, but don't designate that shit to me.
[57:37] Speaker 2: And fuck my game, man.
[57:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
[57:39] Speaker 2: Because I want my point guards to be like this.
[57:41] Speaker 2: Me thinking out there. Yeah, yeah. That's how it used
[57:44] Speaker 2: to be, yo. Think about that. The two guard bring
[57:46] Speaker 2: it up. We like, you trying to take the ball
[57:47] Speaker 2: out of my hand, bro. No, no. Come get the ball.
[57:50] Speaker 2: You pass to me, man. That's the rule. That's crazy
[57:53] Speaker 2: because the mindset today is different.
[57:55] Speaker 8: You got the ball in your point guard. You could
[57:58] Speaker 8: be a two or three. You could run to one
[58:00] Speaker 8: right now. And you'll run to one. Back then, it's crazy.
[58:03] Speaker 8: You got to run to the corners.
[58:05] Speaker 3: But now a point guard's got to be good off
[58:06] Speaker 3: the ball.
[58:07] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[58:08] Speaker 3: Like, that's a whole other skill set. Like, running around
[58:10] Speaker 3: them screens, doing all that Rip Hamilton shit and all
[58:12] Speaker 3: that step shit. That's a whole other, you know, that
[58:15] Speaker 3: shit he did on Chris Paul that one time when
[58:16] Speaker 3: he had Chris Paul twisting up. It was like, man,
[58:19] Speaker 3: what the hell are you? Nigga, we point guard. Nigga,
[58:21] Speaker 3: let's chill. Bring the ball, you know what I mean?
[58:23] Speaker 2: Let's chill. Let's bring the ball up, man. Let's get
[58:26] Speaker 2: these niggas up. What the hell you doing running around
[58:29] Speaker 2: like this?
[58:29] Speaker 3: Nah, man, shout out to CP, man.
[58:32] Speaker 1: For sure, for sure. Let's keep this thing moving. It's
[58:34] Speaker 1: time for our underdog of the week. Shout out to underdog.
[58:38] Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa.
[58:40] Speaker 1: We're cutting the check. We bring you all the best
[58:42] Speaker 1: underdog stories of the week in the segment. So Gil
[58:44] Speaker 1: Rashad and Brandon will each present their nominees and we'll
[58:47] Speaker 1: advocate for them. We weren't sure our swag would be
[58:49] Speaker 1: on time today, so we didn't give him one. That's
[58:51] Speaker 1: not coming from me. It's coming from our staff and
[58:53] Speaker 1: underdog swag. And I mean, I would have gave you
[58:54] Speaker 1: an underdog. I would have gave you an underdog of
[58:56] Speaker 1: the week, sir. And the folks at underdog will decide
[58:59] Speaker 1: who the winner is. So Gil, we're going to start
[59:01] Speaker 1: with you. Gil, who is your underdog of the week?
[59:05] Speaker 2: Bear down, Arizona. Even though I didn't know he was
[59:08] Speaker 2: from there. Bear down Arizona. TJ, baby. TJ almost fucked
[59:15] Speaker 2: up our celebration. You know what I mean? TJ McConnell.
[59:21] Speaker 1: So Gil, you're picking TJ McConnell.
[59:25] Speaker 2: Did his thing. 2025 NBA Finals.
[59:30] Speaker 1: Stepped up on numerous occasions. Had some big third quarters
[59:33] Speaker 1: for the Pacers.
[59:37] Speaker 2: You know what's funny? Would any of us have been
[59:41] Speaker 2: mad if they won it and they gave him the
[59:43] Speaker 2: Finals MVP?
[59:44] Speaker 4: No.
[59:45] Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been. Right? I wouldn't have been. No,
[59:48] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, even though he ain't the best player, like,
[59:52] Speaker 2: sometimes we got to look at The impact, like, so
[59:56] Speaker 2: when we think about Chauncey, not Chauncey, but when Kawhi
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: won his, right, when Iggy won his.
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: I was going to say Iguodala.
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: Iguodala won his, right. You now look at the game
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: a little bit different when, yeah, the best player is
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: playing like the best player, but he's changing, he's literally changing.
[1:00:19] Speaker 3: The output of this game.
[1:00:21] Speaker 4: Like, his impact in 15 minutes is, like, really impactful
[1:00:26] Speaker 4: to the game.
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: I used to know you. You know what I mean?
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: I used to know you. Just like Jalen Brown. Like
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown. I know what y'all about to say.
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: No, no, no.
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: But now, but now, but now.
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: No, no, no. Say it. No, no, no.
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: Say it. But now I get it. But now I
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: get it. Now I get it because you're watching him
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: and you're seeing him. He gets in.
[1:00:45] Speaker 4: They're down nine. Now it's a tie game. He got
[1:00:48] Speaker 4: four steals in two minutes. Like, you can see, like, okay.
[1:00:52] Speaker 3: But hold on, though.
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: Game after game, I wouldn't be mad if they gave
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: it to him.
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: Now I understand it's hitting a bright one. They was
[1:00:57] Speaker 3: not going to give Kyrie that MVP for hitting that
[1:01:00] Speaker 3: shot over Steph, even though they could have. But they
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: not going to fuck up LeBron's run with these. We're
[1:01:06] Speaker 3: having the double bubble.
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? So do you think he
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: should have got it?
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: I mean, like, bro, like Gil just said, I would
[1:01:14] Speaker 3: not be mad. To me, it would feel like if
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: TJ got it, how y'all feel. If Kyrie would have
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: got that, I'd have been like, ooh, that's crazy. Because,
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: you know, they know what they're doing, messing up the dynamic.
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: They saw how hype Halle was getting ready to get
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: that Eastern Conference one, and then they, you know, they
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: swerved it.
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: They swerved it in.
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: And so, you know, it's just like, you know, they
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: know sometimes, like, yeah, that's, Let's send Hallie a message.
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: Get his ass hungry. No more nine point games.
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: No more. You know what I'm saying?
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: But it's like.
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: But what if it's like it's like y'all saying right now?
[1:01:47] Speaker 6: OK, TJ McConnell, if they win, you're looking at the
[1:01:50] Speaker 6: game like we were saying before. If SGA, we were
[1:01:55] Speaker 6: talking about what kind of games he need to have.
[1:01:57] Speaker 2: For Jalen Williams not to get it. Yeah. Right. SGA
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: got to be SGA, but he also got to be
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: the reason we won. Right. Right.
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: So, yeah, that triple double in game six.
[1:02:07] Speaker 6: Tatum, the same way we like Tatum playing Tatum way.
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: But Tatum, not the reason the game has changed.
[1:02:13] Speaker 6: Where we like this is the reason we got the
[1:02:15] Speaker 6: edge over them. And TJ McCollum has always been that
[1:02:18] Speaker 6: type of player. We talk about that with Iggy and
[1:02:19] Speaker 6: those type of players, too. Like you can be a
[1:02:21] Speaker 6: game changer and wait your moment and be like, this
[1:02:24] Speaker 6: is the speed.
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: This is the tempo. How y'all going to play? I
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: can change.
[1:02:27] Speaker 3: But here's my problem with that. Don't hit me with
[1:02:30] Speaker 3: that face of the league shit and then don't play
[1:02:33] Speaker 3: the game on my part. You know I might have
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: had two fucked up games in this finals, but I'm
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, nigga.
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: And that's that's my argument.
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: I'm the reason why we're here. You know who y'all
[1:02:45] Speaker 3: all them goddamn Gatorade. Y'all had me sweating orange, all
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: that bullshit. Like, dog, come on, dog. You know what
[1:02:51] Speaker 3: it is. And y'all create a dynamic.
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: But you don't get rewarded just because of that.
[1:02:56] Speaker 3: But you signed up.
[1:02:57] Speaker 6: But you know, you signed up to get you signed
[1:03:00] Speaker 6: up for that. But that's the disappointment for the expectation.
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: But like I said, they wouldn't do that to LeBron.
[1:03:05] Speaker 3: They wouldn't do it to Magic.
[1:03:06] Speaker 6: No, LeBron did show up, though. LeBron showed up. They
[1:03:09] Speaker 6: made him make the decision. Yeah, they made.
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: Him make that decision.
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: I get that.
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: I get that.
[1:03:15] Speaker 6: What I'm saying is Jalen Brown and Tatum, in that decision,
[1:03:18] Speaker 6: you had to make them make the decision.
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: You're saying he had two bad games. That's cool.
[1:03:22] Speaker 6: But when we come down to who was the reason
[1:03:24] Speaker 6: that we got here, it's you.
[1:03:26] Speaker 3: So you don't think Kobe should have got some of
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: them Shaq ones?
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: It's a lot of them.
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: It should have been a little pepper.
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: You know what's funny? If there was Western Conference Finals MVP,
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: he would have won some of those.
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: He would have won some of those.
[1:03:43] Speaker 6: There was reasons for the change of the game. Robert
[1:03:47] Speaker 6: Ory could win some shit.
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: No. In the championship. Amen. Boom. No, what was the Spurs?
[1:03:52] Speaker 2: He had the Spurs. The last five. The last five points. Yeah.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: The dunk and the. He had all five for the game. Yeah,
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: he just came in the game. He just had five.
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'll be hot in the mouth.
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: The least you can do is that five.
[1:04:11] Speaker 6: That was like the Ray Allen, like, LeBron saved you.
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: If I'm LeBron, that's the least this nigga can do
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: to him. As much money as we can pay him.
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: Hit one shot. Say thank you. Say thank you.
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: That's what we pay him.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: That's what we pay him for. I just scored 22 straight.
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: The least you can do is get a bucket outfit.
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: Help me.
[1:04:32] Speaker 1: So TJ McConnell, Gil's underdog of the week. Let's shift
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: over to Shad. Shad, who is your underdog of the week?
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: Hmm.
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: I got that fever.
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: I got that fever. Excuse me, brother. He is fine
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: and fierce. Sophie Cunningham. Mm-hmm. She's a new enforcer.
[1:04:56] Speaker 6: She's fine, and she got hands.
[1:04:59] Speaker 3: What's up?
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: I believe a black belt growing up in Missouri. Oh,
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: she got a black belt? What's up? What's up? What's up?
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: What's up? What you going to do about it? Do
[1:05:10] Speaker 2: something about it.
[1:05:11] Speaker 3: Now get up.
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: I'm going to scuff you up, Stephanie. What's up? I'll
[1:05:14] Speaker 2: scuff you up, Stephanie.
[1:05:15] Speaker 3: Come here.
[1:05:15] Speaker 4: Come here.
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: Do something about it.
[1:05:18] Speaker 3: I'll fucking pull your hair.
[1:05:19] Speaker 2: Don't you text Rashad no more. Don't you text him.
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: I'll pull that hair. That's mine.
[1:05:24] Speaker 3: Hey, man.
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: Hey, man.
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: That's what Caitlyn needed was a crew of believers around her,
[1:05:30] Speaker 3: not them little haters. They had to go, man. I'd
[1:05:33] Speaker 3: have been like, welcome to the league, Kalen.
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: All that.
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: Man, I'd have been so cool, man. Like, nobody ever thinks,
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: be the cool old head for a change.
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: Nope.
[1:05:42] Speaker 3: Like, no, let's haze the bitch.
[1:05:43] Speaker 13: Like, yeah, I'm making $ 32, 000 a year.
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: It's time to haze somebody.
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: That was like, dog.
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: Solid pick from Rashad right there. Sophie Cunningham, black belt.
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: using those skills to help protect Kayla Clark.
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: Let's move on to Mr. B. She literally took a hit.
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: Still grab. Watch out. Then encourage her to do something.
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: So last but not least, Mr. B.
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: Mr. B, who is your underdog of the week? I'm
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: going to go with Kyle Riley.
[1:06:18] Speaker 8: He leads the MLB in 32 homers. Call him the
[1:06:22] Speaker 8: big dumper. Big dumper.
[1:06:26] Speaker 3: Seattle Mariners.
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: I know black. No black.
[1:06:30] Speaker 3: 32 homers.
[1:06:34] Speaker 2: Switch hitting. Switch hitting catcher.
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: Baseball entertaining, Swaggy, in the right conditions, in the right
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: mental state.
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: Left and right? I'm heavy baseball, watch just Dodgers. Left
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: and right? Yep.
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: I had an underdog of the week, but mine would
[1:06:49] Speaker 3: have been the Detroit Tigers.
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: The whole group?
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: The whole group. Sitting number one in the league right now.
[1:06:54] Speaker 3: Nobody believed in us.
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: Nobody.
[1:06:56] Speaker 3: Nobody believed in us.
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: Look at us. Temporary. Hey, man.
[1:07:00] Speaker 3: Hey, right now.
[1:07:02] Speaker 2: Right now.
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: We got us right now.
[1:07:05] Speaker 2: We got the rock. Who's the top three right now? Y'all.
[1:07:08] Speaker 3: Us, the Dodgers, and I forgot the third one. Oh,
[1:07:10] Speaker 3: the Dodgers in there. Dodger Blue.
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: Okay, the folks at Underdog have deliberated long and hard.
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: along with the fans who voted on the underdog Twitter account,
[1:07:21] Speaker 1: not the Gills Arena account, the underdog account. And Cal
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: Raleigh has won underdog of the week, narrowly beating out
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: TJ McConnell in the Twitter poll. Stay tuned for what
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: underdog has planned in the weeks to come.
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: You can't beat no fine white girl. I don't know
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: who bought it. Who bought it? Man, no way. Sophie
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: Cunningham ain't winning. That was our underdog of the week.
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[1:08:43] Speaker 1: the Mavs, their number one pick, Cooper Flagg. Let's shift over.
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: We're going to stay in Texas, though, talk about the
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs. They had two lottery picks in last
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: night's draft, number two and 14, selected Dylan Harper out
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: of Rutgers with the second pick, and Carter Bryant out
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: of Gil's alma mater, the Arizona University, with the 14th pick.
[1:09:02] Speaker 1: So after Dylan Harper was selected, he got a FaceTime
[1:09:05] Speaker 1: call from Wimby.
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: Yo. What's good? Hey, I play first person. My name's Big. Yes, sir.
[1:09:14] Speaker 2: I know who you is. My name's Dylan. I just
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: got drafted to the Spurs. I think I'm your teammate now.
[1:09:23] Speaker 2: We're lit. Man, we lit, man.
[1:09:24] Speaker 10: This is going to be fun.
[1:09:25] Speaker 2: Hell yeah. Now we're going to work for sure, man.
[1:09:28] Speaker 2: For sure. For sure. Appreciate it. See you later. You
[1:09:31] Speaker 2: should celebrate tonight.
[1:09:33] Speaker 10: I got you, man.
[1:09:34] Speaker 2: We're going to work a little for summer league. Yep.
[1:09:37] Speaker 2: Get it out. Rest a little bit. And then we're
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: going to get back to work, man. Hell yeah.
[1:09:42] Speaker 3: For sure, man. I'm going to catch you later.
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Appreciate it, my dog.
[1:09:48] Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: It is.
[1:09:49] Speaker 3: He said you can take him to In-N-Out.
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: I thought that's what I heard. Rest up, Summer League.
[1:09:56] Speaker 10: Go to In-N-Out.
[1:09:57] Speaker 2: In-N-Out.
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: In-N-Out in Vegas. Summer League, they do have several locations
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: in the greater Las Vegas area.
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: My name is Vic. Boy, your name is Wimpy.
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: I play for the NBA, motherfucker. After that, I'm going
[1:10:06] Speaker 2: to give it to you later. Get this motherfucker off
[1:10:16] Speaker 2: the phone. I know who the fuck this nigga is.
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: Act like I'm a target. Who phone is this? Mentally challenged.
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: I've been trying to get off the phone three times. Hey, man,
[1:10:24] Speaker 2: I'm calling you back. Hey, man, we lit. We lit.
[1:10:27] Speaker 2: This nigga hanging with these monks like nobody know who
[1:10:29] Speaker 2: he is. Mr.
[1:10:29] Speaker 3: Sun.
[1:10:29] Speaker 2: My name Vick.
[1:10:32] Speaker 3: They keep that nigga in the middle of the hill.
[1:10:35] Speaker 3: I am Vick. I, too, play for the Spurs.
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: Brother Sunflower.
[1:10:37] Speaker 3: All right, this nigga the truth.
[1:10:39] Speaker 2: Brother Sunflower.
[1:10:41] Speaker 3: What's up?
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: What's up?
[1:10:42] Speaker 3: What's crazy?
[1:10:43] Speaker 1: Wimby on the quest for spiritual enlightenment. He's entering his
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: third season now. Says he's added 30 pounds since coming
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: to the NBA. He spent some time with some Shaolin
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: monks getting his mind right this summer.
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: Now we see him welcoming Dylan Harper.
[1:10:58] Speaker 3: Was he hurt at the end of the season?
[1:11:00] Speaker 2: He had a blood clot in his shoulder so he
[1:11:01] Speaker 2: had to miss the rest.
[1:11:02] Speaker 3: Of the season. Is he doing anything about that?
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: Apparently some karate and other martial arts to strengthen his mind,
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: body and soul.
[1:11:08] Speaker 2: He went in there and put that No, he just
[1:11:10] Speaker 2: went to see Ling Ling. Went to go see Ling Ling.
[1:11:13] Speaker 2: Made a stop at Ling Ling. Spent 10 days in China.
[1:11:19] Speaker 3: That's what happened.
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: We get that tension. Put that tiger bomb on him.
[1:11:25] Speaker 2: This is all better now. I never knew. Joe, I
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: never knew. I never knew it was going to be
[1:11:29] Speaker 2: like this. Ling Ling will make you bling bling. I'm
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: telling you. Y'all need to go see Ling Ling. So
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: we will get to the Spurs rookies in a second,
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: but let's talk about Wimby. How important is it for
[1:11:43] Speaker 2: Wimby to step into a leadership role with the Spurs
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: in year three? He is a vet now, OG, if
[1:11:47] Speaker 2: you will, by some standards.
[1:11:50] Speaker 4: I mean, he's naturally, or not even naturally, like, you know,
[1:11:53] Speaker 4: with the number one pick being the face, right?
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: If CP's not there, it is now you. Right? Especially
[1:12:01] Speaker 2: those young guys looking at you, like they know you're
[1:12:04] Speaker 2: the future. They're rallying behind you. You done proved You
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: done proved who you are. And, you know, especially on
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: the defensive end, you know, you're still trying to figure
[1:12:12] Speaker 2: out what your offense is. But, I mean, you've done
[1:12:15] Speaker 2: enough to gain their respect, especially with the Olympic stuff.
[1:12:19] Speaker 2: So coming back for year three, how he approaches training
[1:12:21] Speaker 2: camp is, you know, you know how those guys will follow.
[1:12:27] Speaker 2: Weight room and all that, gain 30 pounds. Enlightened.
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: Spiritual quest.
[1:12:34] Speaker 2: Brother knowledge. You still got Harrison Barnes over there, right?
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: He was at the draft meeting.
[1:12:39] Speaker 4: So he'd probably be like the kind of leader.
[1:12:42] Speaker 2: I'm excited for the Spurs.
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: It'll be all right. They got a lot of young talent, man.
[1:12:46] Speaker 2: They got youth. Man.
[1:12:48] Speaker 3: It's like.
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: We need Chris Paul now.
[1:12:50] Speaker 3: It's starting to get back popular again. To draft your
[1:12:54] Speaker 3: championship roster and grow it.
[1:12:56] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Two-star rookie of the year. Yeah.
[1:12:58] Speaker 2: I love the years for those three. Johnson, Facil, and Sohan.
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: What year they are in.
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:13:03] Speaker 6: I think the Spurs will hit that threshold that every
[1:13:05] Speaker 6: other team hits when they use that development tool for
[1:13:08] Speaker 6: those young players.
[1:13:09] Speaker 2: They have Fox, right? Yeah, I'm confused.
[1:13:14] Speaker 6: This turns into, this is not a young team as
[1:13:18] Speaker 6: we think it is between these three players that they
[1:13:22] Speaker 6: had before Wimby that were young.
[1:13:26] Speaker 2: Who's in? Kelden Johnson, year six next year. Vassell, year five. Uh-huh. Sohan. Sohan.
[1:13:34] Speaker 2: Year three. Sohan is going to be year three.
[1:13:38] Speaker 6: So when we talk about Pop was coaching those teams
[1:13:41] Speaker 6: that didn't have that talent and they was losing. And
[1:13:45] Speaker 6: these are the guys that he was bringing up. He
[1:13:48] Speaker 6: was molding them. So Wimby coming in, going into year three. Fox, Barnes,
[1:13:54] Speaker 6: Sohan going into year four. you got a bunch of
[1:13:58] Speaker 6: guys who know the league now. Like they know what,
[1:14:01] Speaker 6: they've been actually, all three of them, Sohan, Vassell, they've
[1:14:04] Speaker 6: been kind of killing in and out of those last three,
[1:14:07] Speaker 6: four years making a name for themselves.
[1:14:10] Speaker 2: So they built value.
[1:14:11] Speaker 6: Now you got Harrison and De'Aaron Fox will come in
[1:14:14] Speaker 6: and kind of get him direction. Yeah, that direction. I
[1:14:18] Speaker 6: think they're like a big away. I think they get
[1:14:20] Speaker 6: another big to get, to back up Wemby.
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: They right there. That's crazy. I don't know a big way. Who? No, Carter,
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: he's a win. Who? Carter Bryant. Carter Bryant. Like, I'm
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: confused with this pick because the castle's development... Oh, I didn't.
[1:14:40] Speaker 3: Even ask him.
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Damn. They really dare. They dare. That's what
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: I'm saying.
[1:14:48] Speaker 4: Are you planning on bringing them off the bench if
[1:14:50] Speaker 4: Dylan Harper's your point?
[1:14:51] Speaker 2: But Dylan's not going to play point. It's Fox. So
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: Dylan's going to come off the bench like Rob Dillingham.
[1:14:57] Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now.
[1:14:59] Speaker 4: And that's why I don't get this pick because you
[1:15:03] Speaker 4: have Fox, right? You got Fox and you have Castle
[1:15:08] Speaker 4: now as your shooting guard.
[1:15:10] Speaker 2: Are you going to remove him and bring him back
[1:15:11] Speaker 2: off the bench because that's what he did most of
[1:15:13] Speaker 2: the year until Fox got hurt? But we still got Vassell.
[1:15:16] Speaker 2: We still got, they talented.
[1:15:17] Speaker 4: And then Vassell is whatever he's going to be, but
[1:15:20] Speaker 4: you got Carter who can actually, you're later picking short
[1:15:23] Speaker 4: because the position he's in.
[1:15:26] Speaker 6: He's 6'7. What's our organization?
[1:15:28] Speaker 2: He's a 6'7, small forward.
[1:15:30] Speaker 6: Our organization usually don't really, we develop our players, right?
[1:15:35] Speaker 6: So you look at who we got, who we bring in. Listen, guy,
[1:15:38] Speaker 6: we know you good, but you're going to have to
[1:15:40] Speaker 6: learn behind him. He's going to have to show you
[1:15:43] Speaker 6: how this go before we just give it to you
[1:15:45] Speaker 6: and let you, because I think that time's over for
[1:15:47] Speaker 6: San Antonio. Pop gave it a ring or two. He
[1:15:50] Speaker 6: was letting them do their thing. But now it's, okay,
[1:15:53] Speaker 6: De'Aaron Fox showing what a point guard is. Castle, you
[1:15:56] Speaker 6: kind of know what we want as a shooting guard.
[1:15:58] Speaker 6: Harrison Barnes, show what a small forward is. Right, Wamby,
[1:16:02] Speaker 6: you get to be whatever you want between four or
[1:16:04] Speaker 6: five right now.
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: It's really the OKC model, dog. They're really changing the game.
[1:16:09] Speaker 3: Or some of y'all are not going to be here.
[1:16:12] Speaker 2: Right? That's what I'm saying. Hold on, hold on. But
[1:16:15] Speaker 2: who you going to go get? You're used to your players, though.
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: You're used to that. You got guys for one minute.
[1:16:21] Speaker 3: There's a couple teams that did that. Houston did that, too.
[1:16:24] Speaker 3: Houston got a... bunch of young niggas.
[1:16:26] Speaker 2: On the bench. That's crazy.
[1:16:27] Speaker 3: That's really good. That's really good, bro.
[1:16:30] Speaker 4: But no, it's not because the players are really good.
[1:16:33] Speaker 4: The players are really good, but their top five pick
[1:16:37] Speaker 4: last year set the bench.
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: Didn't get a minute. None. And Geely. Yeah. You know
[1:16:42] Speaker 2: what it means? It's a development play. That's what they're doing.
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: Why do y'all keep picking the same person like you
[1:16:47] Speaker 2: already have? But you got Fox, you got Vassell, you got.
[1:16:50] Speaker 1: Stephon Castle you got a lot of it's very packed
[1:16:53] Speaker 1: think about it.
[1:16:53] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying So why would I go after Dylan.
[1:16:55] Speaker 6: Harper if he becomes something like Tony Parker if Dylan
[1:16:59] Speaker 6: Harper becomes Tony Parker?
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: He's gonna become him under us Like Tony Parker's the
[1:17:05] Speaker 2: last pick he was the last pick in the first
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: round but the position he's in we didn't have it
[1:17:10] Speaker 2: so he gets to go right in as a starter
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: and That's what I'm saying. So, Dylan, I would have
[1:17:15] Speaker 2: been concerned. I want the number two pick, but do
[1:17:18] Speaker 2: I want to go there?
[1:17:19] Speaker 6: I'm stealing them, and I know Fox is unstable. Think
[1:17:22] Speaker 6: about Fox being unstable. If I don't know where he
[1:17:24] Speaker 6: lays with our foundation of a franchise, let him get
[1:17:27] Speaker 6: two years under Fox, and then we figure out what
[1:17:30] Speaker 6: we want.
[1:17:30] Speaker 3: To do with him. This is what happens when you
[1:17:32] Speaker 3: put something into the system like load management.
[1:17:35] Speaker 2: You can break my spirit.
[1:17:36] Speaker 3: The Kings are going to start beefing up that second unit,
[1:17:38] Speaker 3: really trying to beef up their bench with a bunch
[1:17:40] Speaker 3: of talent because, I mean, injuries are getting way more prevalent.
[1:17:45] Speaker 3: Stars are sitting out. This is what happens. This is
[1:17:48] Speaker 3: where it goes. We're starting to really see it pop
[1:17:51] Speaker 3: up now in these last few years of teams just
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: stockpiling talent for no reason.
[1:17:58] Speaker 4: They do have Wimby, so with Wimby, you can technically
[1:18:02] Speaker 4: run a three-guard system.
[1:18:04] Speaker 2: Where you can play all three of them, play a four.
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: That's true. So you can get away with it because
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: you have him, but I don't know how long that
[1:18:12] Speaker 2: would be sustainable.
[1:18:13] Speaker 3: Okay, so you got Chet, and they kind of do
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: the same thing.
[1:18:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, you can run, yeah. So they can, they can
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: follow that motto. Dylan Harper. Huh? Like 6'6? 6'6? Hollywood Harbour.
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: He's a 1'2. He's a 6'6, for real? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:18:30] Speaker 2: So if he's playing the point, he's like, yeah, okay.
[1:18:33] Speaker 2: He's a point.
[1:18:34] Speaker 3: 1'2, yeah.
[1:18:35] Speaker 6: So think about this. He's coming into a situation where
[1:18:39] Speaker 6: these dudes in front of him.
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: Who's in front of him? All those guys. Remember, you're
[1:18:45] Speaker 2: a rook. He's not at the point, though.
[1:18:46] Speaker 3: No, I'm not talking about the guard position.
[1:18:48] Speaker 2: Because remember, there ain't going to be no point. There
[1:18:51] Speaker 2: ain't no point guard. We all interchangeable.
[1:18:54] Speaker 6: That's why he said a three-guard system. If we think
[1:18:56] Speaker 6: about a three-guard system and you're going to put him in,
[1:18:58] Speaker 6: I thought he was smaller than that. I didn't know
[1:19:00] Speaker 6: he was 6'6. That changes a lot.
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: So.
[1:19:03] Speaker 2: Fox Harper Castle.
[1:19:04] Speaker 3: I really see that too.
[1:19:06] Speaker 6: He come off the bench. I think he come off
[1:19:08] Speaker 6: the bench. He play big minutes off the bench and
[1:19:10] Speaker 6: control the second unit, man. Because if you put him
[1:19:13] Speaker 6: in there and try to throw him in there over Fox...
[1:19:15] Speaker 6: Now that's team morale type shit. It's like, bro, let
[1:19:17] Speaker 6: me run this shit. Let me teach this young kid
[1:19:18] Speaker 6: how to do this shit.
[1:19:19] Speaker 2: Don't throw him in front of me and throw him
[1:19:21] Speaker 2: in the fire like that. I think they move. They might.
[1:19:24] Speaker 2: Did they re-sign Fox? I think they might move Fox.
[1:19:26] Speaker 2: They re-signed him, I think. They re-signed. I wouldn't move him.
[1:19:29] Speaker 2: They re-signed him, right? I mean, but you already got up.
[1:19:32] Speaker 2: He's under contract.
[1:19:34] Speaker 3: They got him for like another year or something.
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: They didn't extend him? No.
[1:19:36] Speaker 3: Let me see.
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: In the middle of last year after the trade?
[1:19:39] Speaker 1: No, De'Aaron Fox on the last year of his deal,
[1:19:41] Speaker 1: so he's extension eligible now.
[1:19:42] Speaker 6: So they picked him up as a safe way.
[1:19:46] Speaker 4: Vassell under contract through 2029. Okay, so that makes sense.
[1:19:49] Speaker 4: Now you got your two guards. You got Castle and
[1:19:53] Speaker 4: Dillon moving forward with Wimby.
[1:19:56] Speaker 2: So they're still in development.
[1:19:57] Speaker 6: But what if De'Aaron Fox starts? balls out with this squad.
[1:20:00] Speaker 6: But remember, he's up. He's probably moving himself. Because I
[1:20:05] Speaker 6: don't need to pay him.
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: And he probably don't want to be there. But they
[1:20:08] Speaker 2: have bread to do so now. What I'm saying is
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: I don't have to because now I got my future
[1:20:13] Speaker 2: one and my future small forward. But you already have
[1:20:17] Speaker 2: an established guard near Fox is what I'm saying.
[1:20:19] Speaker 6: Are you asking if San Antonio should be wanting to
[1:20:24] Speaker 6: resign him?
[1:20:26] Speaker 2: I think it's a good position for them to be in, basically. Hey,
[1:20:28] Speaker 2: how about this? I got Ricky Davis at my small four,
[1:20:31] Speaker 2: and I just drafted LeBron James.
[1:20:33] Speaker 4: Ricky Davis is averaging 21 points a game. He's averaging
[1:20:40] Speaker 4: 21 points a game before LeBron got there. Remember, he
[1:20:44] Speaker 4: was like, somebody was like, yeah, so you're going to
[1:20:46] Speaker 4: be robbing him, Batman.
[1:20:48] Speaker 2: I'm a B. I'm a B.
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: All I'm saying is the Spurs are in a good
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: position right now.
[1:20:53] Speaker 2: They are. They can make another move. You know what
[1:20:56] Speaker 2: I'm saying? He's a high.
[1:20:57] Speaker 3: Great problem.
[1:20:57] Speaker 2: Great problem.
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: Let CP walk.
[1:20:59] Speaker 2: So those two can be. He can go. Those two
[1:21:01] Speaker 2: can be. Those two can be my guard. But we
[1:21:03] Speaker 2: can develop. We can develop this. Harper, let him get
[1:21:05] Speaker 2: a year. This is what we have.
[1:21:07] Speaker 6: That changes me too because it's like if you draft
[1:21:10] Speaker 6: him and he's the same as Castle.
[1:21:12] Speaker 2: And you draft a shooting guard.
[1:21:14] Speaker 6: But if it's like what Gil's saying, if you're going
[1:21:16] Speaker 6: to draft him to be the point guard because he
[1:21:18] Speaker 6: can play the point guard, that's a different thing.
[1:21:22] Speaker 2: Like Marlon says, one of those good problems. Lefty.
[1:21:25] Speaker 4: One of those good problems to have. He's crafty. He's
[1:21:30] Speaker 4: a basketball player. He knows what he's doing. He's like
[1:21:34] Speaker 4: last year, Philly.
[1:21:36] Speaker 2: Who, McCain? He's like McCain. He's like that type of guard. Like,
[1:21:39] Speaker 2: he knows. So, CP, so you're going to pay him
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: $ 200 this summer? To win 28 games? I'll trade Harper
[1:21:50] Speaker 2: before I give up Fox. It's proven. Fox is proven.
[1:21:53] Speaker 2: Your team is too young for Fox. It's too young.
[1:21:55] Speaker 2: It's too young. I just got him. I got an
[1:21:57] Speaker 2: all-star in my hand. But you got 20 games. You
[1:21:58] Speaker 2: need somebody who's on the total floor. Hey, I got this. Relax, bro.
[1:22:08] Speaker 2: I've been here. Give it to me. I got it.
[1:22:10] Speaker 2: You're going to pay him $ 200 to win 34 games?
[1:22:12] Speaker 2: I can do that with this nigga. I just drafted him.
[1:22:15] Speaker 2: That's cool. 34 games. He went to the playoffs. You're
[1:22:18] Speaker 2: the number two? Not with this team. This is a
[1:22:20] Speaker 2: playoff team, though. He's going to go with this team.
[1:22:23] Speaker 2: What percentage? 21. 21. 20. 21. I'm going to pay 27-year-old,
[1:22:32] Speaker 2: 120-something million when.
[1:22:35] Speaker 4: These guys about, they're going to be up at some point.
[1:22:38] Speaker 4: Winby's going to come up. Castle's going to come up.
[1:22:41] Speaker 4: This money's going to come up. Why would I waste
[1:22:43] Speaker 4: it on Fox? Who is Fox when this is coming up?
[1:22:46] Speaker 4: We don't know what.
[1:22:46] Speaker 2: They're going to be. What I'm saying is Fox is
[1:22:49] Speaker 2: Fox right now. Right now. Top, what, five-point guards in
[1:22:52] Speaker 2: the league? But my team, my team, my team can't
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: do nothing with Fox. We're not in a position to
[1:22:59] Speaker 2: play Fox. But we ain't seen what we can do
[1:23:02] Speaker 2: with Fox. What I'm saying is, but what I'm saying is,
[1:23:04] Speaker 2: Fox is top five in the league. But what I'm
[1:23:06] Speaker 2: saying is. Hey, I ain't want to say nothing. I'm like,
[1:23:08] Speaker 2: let me think. Like, Fox team right now.
[1:23:13] Speaker 3: Top eight, maybe?
[1:23:14] Speaker 2: Like, go to Boston. Help them over there. Go to
[1:23:17] Speaker 2: the Lakers. Go help them.
[1:23:18] Speaker 4: That's where Fox is right now. Fox is not on
[1:23:20] Speaker 4: a bottom-feeding young team.
[1:23:22] Speaker 2: 15 and 17. A bottom-feeding young team, that's not where
[1:23:25] Speaker 2: Fox needs to be. They're not a bottom?
[1:23:27] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:23:28] Speaker 2: Sign him for 100 and put him in Dallas. That's
[1:23:31] Speaker 2: where he needs to be.
[1:23:32] Speaker 1: CP, we know you got to take off in a second,
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: so I want to give you some love.
[1:23:35] Speaker 2: No, he's top six.
[1:23:36] Speaker 3: I put him at eight, but yeah, you know what
[1:23:38] Speaker 3: I'm saying?
[1:23:38] Speaker 2: Six, seven. He top five. He's somewhere around.
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[1:26:23] Speaker 1: So we've been talking a lot about the rash of
[1:26:25] Speaker 1: injuries going on in the league, specifically all these Achilles
[1:26:28] Speaker 1: injuries that we've seen. So our next guest is making
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: his first virtual visit to the arena, award-winning journalist and
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: founder of True Hoop. He led ESPN's 60-person digital and
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: print team, which published several groundbreaking articles and won a
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: national magazine award. These days, you can get his new book, Ballistic,
[1:26:46] Speaker 1: The New Science of Injury-Free Athletic Performance. Henry Abbott, welcome
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: to Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog.
[1:26:55] Speaker 10: Thank you for having me, you guys.
[1:26:56] Speaker 1: The legend, true hoop legend. So congrats on the release
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: of your book. We have the cover here for any
[1:27:02] Speaker 1: of the fans who are interested. We want to give
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: you your love. First, make sure the fans to see
[1:27:05] Speaker 1: the copy of the book, make sure they can go
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: out there and get it in the near future. But
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, what was the inspiration behind
[1:27:12] Speaker 1: writing your new book, Ballistic?
[1:27:14] Speaker 10: To be totally honest, it was the pandemic. And everything
[1:27:17] Speaker 10: I was writing about was like a bummer.
[1:27:18] Speaker 14: There was no basketball being played. And I've been covering
[1:27:21] Speaker 14: this league since college. And, you know, everybody gets hurt, right?
[1:27:25] Speaker 14: I mean, by some measures, it's 100% injury rate in
[1:27:28] Speaker 14: this league. And then I went through my own crap, right?
[1:27:30] Speaker 14: I have a bad back and my hip is weird.
[1:27:32] Speaker 14: And I try to be athletic, too. And I just
[1:27:35] Speaker 14: found that, like, we were all kind of getting bad answers. Like,
[1:27:37] Speaker 14: you're trying to find some physical therapist or massage therapist
[1:27:40] Speaker 14: or whatever.
[1:27:41] Speaker 10: Kinesiologist and nobody knows.
[1:27:44] Speaker 14: How to keep healthy and so I was thinking about
[1:27:46] Speaker 14: that problem and there's this guy this Marcus Elliott this
[1:27:50] Speaker 14: lab called P3 in Santa Barbara maybe some of you
[1:27:52] Speaker 14: have been there yeah but they're taking a really systematic
[1:27:54] Speaker 14: approach to you know assessing exactly how we move and
[1:27:58] Speaker 14: they have a giant database of like biomechanical movements and
[1:28:01] Speaker 14: they're teaching people how to avoid injury and it seemed
[1:28:03] Speaker 14: like a pretty like a much more sunny thing to
[1:28:06] Speaker 14: think about in the pandemic than all the crap that
[1:28:08] Speaker 14: was going on. So I called them up and asked
[1:28:10] Speaker 14: if they'd let me write a book about them, if
[1:28:11] Speaker 14: they'd participate, and they said yes.
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: And now we're here.
[1:28:15] Speaker 2: We appreciate you checking that out.
[1:28:16] Speaker 1: So we saw three superstars in Damian Lillard, Jason Tatum,
[1:28:20] Speaker 1: and Tyrese Halliburton suffer torn Achilles during these NBA playoffs.
[1:28:25] Speaker 1: From your work on this book, what do you think
[1:28:27] Speaker 1: is going on across the NBA? I think there were
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: seven Achilles injuries this season, eight if you include the
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: Nassus who suffered, I believe, in the offseason, but What
[1:28:33] Speaker 1: do you think is going on in the league right
[1:28:34] Speaker 1: now with all these Achilles injuries?
[1:28:36] Speaker 10: So I don't know. When I first dialed in, I
[1:28:38] Speaker 10: was on the phone.
[1:28:39] Speaker 14: That was literally Marcus Ellie at the founder of P3
[1:28:42] Speaker 14: like giving me the update on like their latest findings
[1:28:44] Speaker 14: and the data of like what they think is going
[1:28:46] Speaker 14: on and Here's what they know, right? So they have
[1:28:51] Speaker 14: 1,200 NBA players, past and present, have gone through there
[1:28:54] Speaker 14: and been assessed. They have a million data points per athlete.
[1:28:57] Speaker 14: And what they find basically is every injury they study
[1:29:00] Speaker 14: in detail, there's some kind of biomechanical movement pattern that
[1:29:04] Speaker 14: is upstream.
[1:29:04] Speaker 10: It happens before that, right?
[1:29:05] Speaker 14: And so for ACL tears, the number one thing is
[1:29:08] Speaker 14: landing on the outside of your foot and then having
[1:29:11] Speaker 14: your weight roll to the inside. 100% of NBA players
[1:29:14] Speaker 14: in their study who tore their ACLs land that way, right?
[1:29:18] Speaker 14: What's interesting, though, they haven't done a big Achilles study
[1:29:22] Speaker 14: because they've only had nine. In all of the years
[1:29:24] Speaker 14: they've been doing this, only nine players have torn their
[1:29:26] Speaker 14: Achilles that they studied. But what's interesting is that that
[1:29:29] Speaker 14: same exact movement pattern is associated with.
[1:29:32] Speaker 10: The Achilles injury.
[1:29:33] Speaker 14: So they're not willing to say this is something where
[1:29:37] Speaker 14: they have a smoking gun, but it seems like the
[1:29:40] Speaker 14: answer is teaching players how to land, which they find
[1:29:43] Speaker 14: is productive in preventing all kinds of injuries, which we
[1:29:47] Speaker 14: want you to, it's called stiffening your ankle, right? You
[1:29:49] Speaker 14: get stronger muscles in your lower leg, so you're more
[1:29:51] Speaker 14: likely to land on the ball of your foot with
[1:29:53] Speaker 14: the toes up, your ankle strong, your ankle not flopping around,
[1:29:57] Speaker 14: your leg not flopping around. If you land like that,
[1:29:59] Speaker 14: it seems like you're less likely to get all kinds
[1:30:01] Speaker 14: of injuries, and especially this one.
[1:30:04] Speaker 2: So, oh yeah, I mean, I do a lot of
[1:30:08] Speaker 2: performance training.
[1:30:11] Speaker 6: With a lot of the, Guys I used to teach,
[1:30:13] Speaker 6: I haven't taught in a while, but plyometrics is what
[1:30:18] Speaker 6: it sounds like you're telling me as far as what
[1:30:21] Speaker 6: guys need.
[1:30:22] Speaker 2: And I seen that when.
[1:30:23] Speaker 6: We were, I think we were in Vegas when we
[1:30:27] Speaker 6: were watching the guys training. And then in the weight
[1:30:31] Speaker 6: room we're seeing and I was looking and talking to
[1:30:33] Speaker 6: the guys in Chicago, the guys, and I'm like, what.
[1:30:38] Speaker 2: Are you guys doing?
[1:30:40] Speaker 6: Like you know you can tell because I teach landing
[1:30:44] Speaker 6: I teach ankle flexibility calf mobility everything starts from the
[1:30:48] Speaker 6: calf and down and the ankle up so when you
[1:30:51] Speaker 6: have that strength in those extremities you can tell that
[1:30:55] Speaker 6: there be no injuries even in MCL PCL ACL all
[1:30:59] Speaker 6: of those things you can talk get into glue activation
[1:31:03] Speaker 6: with the VMOs all that stuff so I look at
[1:31:07] Speaker 6: players now and I look at their frames and I
[1:31:10] Speaker 6: look at when you talk about landing and then explosion
[1:31:13] Speaker 6: right back up, they're not being taught that.
[1:31:16] Speaker 2: They're not even interested in it. They don't understand it.
[1:31:19] Speaker 6: And that's causing a lot of people to stay on
[1:31:23] Speaker 6: the band work and get away from the real explosion
[1:31:25] Speaker 6: and the technique of it all.
[1:31:27] Speaker 4: Can I ask you a question? Okay, so when you
[1:31:30] Speaker 4: look at these guys and all of the explosions is
[1:31:36] Speaker 4: happening when they're taken off, right?
[1:31:41] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:31:41] Speaker 4: They do the negative step where one leg goes back,
[1:31:44] Speaker 4: then they're trying to push off of it. Track is
[1:31:52] Speaker 4: kind of like the same movement, but no one's tearing
[1:31:56] Speaker 4: their Achilles off the start.
[1:31:58] Speaker 3: So.
[1:32:01] Speaker 4: Is there something that they need to be following that
[1:32:03] Speaker 4: track is doing for that back support that basketball movement
[1:32:08] Speaker 4: just doesn't do?
[1:32:10] Speaker 14: You are thinking exactly like the dude who founded P3.
[1:32:13] Speaker 14: He loves, like, every elite track athlete lands with their
[1:32:18] Speaker 14: foot with the toes up, which makes you instantly activate
[1:32:22] Speaker 14: your Achilles and then your quads and your glutes. So
[1:32:24] Speaker 14: the force of landing is spread between these three.
[1:32:28] Speaker 2: Joints, right?
[1:32:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:32:29] Speaker 14: In basketball, the reason every athlete does that in track
[1:32:33] Speaker 14: is because if you don't, you won't be fast enough
[1:32:35] Speaker 14: to make the Olympics. This is the way to move fast.
[1:32:38] Speaker 14: In basketball, you might make it to the league with
[1:32:40] Speaker 14: a good handle, good court vision, a bunch of ways.
[1:32:44] Speaker 14: You don't have to be good at this exact thing
[1:32:46] Speaker 14: to make it, but that's what you should do. That's
[1:32:49] Speaker 14: how you want to move. I just was talking to
[1:32:52] Speaker 14: Marcus about this, and he was saying that a theory
[1:32:55] Speaker 14: that he would want to investigate is these guys who
[1:32:58] Speaker 14: have had sore calf muscles, right? So they've done something,
[1:33:01] Speaker 14: you know, probably the same biomechanics that threatened their Achilles
[1:33:06] Speaker 14: earlier threatened their calf, right? So they've hurt something, they've
[1:33:10] Speaker 14: strained something, which means that the muscles that should absorb, like,
[1:33:15] Speaker 14: the force of that tough landing behind you and slow
[1:33:19] Speaker 14: your foot down as it goes into dorsiflexion, they call it,
[1:33:23] Speaker 14: they're not.
[1:33:23] Speaker 10: Slowing it down. So your foot is.
[1:33:26] Speaker 14: your lower leg is flying into this extreme position at
[1:33:29] Speaker 14: a higher speed, which puts more force in your Achilles
[1:33:32] Speaker 14: than if you had those muscles working properly.
[1:33:36] Speaker 6: I found also that that muscle stabilization for those ankle
[1:33:42] Speaker 6: and those calf fibers come with activating all of those
[1:33:47] Speaker 6: weak muscles. So a lot of times when you land,
[1:33:50] Speaker 6: you got those weak muscles on those explosion points because
[1:33:53] Speaker 6: you ain't really you don't know how to work those
[1:33:55] Speaker 6: muscles yet, right? Especially if you're not training, just like golf.
[1:33:58] Speaker 6: You start swinging the wrong way, you wake up in
[1:34:00] Speaker 6: the morning, your shit fucked up, you like feel paralyzed.
[1:34:03] Speaker 6: But once you start doing it enough, you strengthen in
[1:34:06] Speaker 6: those weaker muscles that even when you sprain your ankle,
[1:34:10] Speaker 6: if you got enough ankle strength, you can bounce right
[1:34:12] Speaker 6: back up. Even if you do a mid sprain or
[1:34:16] Speaker 6: a mild sprain, you can be full strength in the
[1:34:19] Speaker 6: morning if you ice and do it right. That's if
[1:34:21] Speaker 6: you've already been training it. So I think the guys
[1:34:24] Speaker 6: have went away from a lot of the plyometrics that
[1:34:26] Speaker 6: I learned in high school, that we carried on in college,
[1:34:29] Speaker 6: that it was free for us to do in the
[1:34:31] Speaker 6: pros because now you got your own regimen. But now
[1:34:34] Speaker 6: I don't know what these guys are doing Because a
[1:34:36] Speaker 6: lot of guys aren't as explosive as they should be,
[1:34:39] Speaker 6: not based on their natural given abilities, but the shit
[1:34:44] Speaker 6: that you've worked towards, that training shit. You got what
[1:34:47] Speaker 6: you came in here with, but what did you build on?
[1:34:50] Speaker 6: Let's see what the build was now. I don't see
[1:34:54] Speaker 6: none of that. So I think that's a lot of
[1:34:56] Speaker 6: maintenance for injury prevention is one thing, but if you're
[1:34:59] Speaker 6: not building to be stronger, it's going to fuck up.
[1:35:02] Speaker 2: What about.
[1:35:04] Speaker 5: Those insoles in your shoes, that make your feet stronger, right?
[1:35:09] Speaker 14: So, there's a whole chapter of the book about shoes,
[1:35:13] Speaker 14: and basically, like.
[1:35:14] Speaker 3: It's a good question.
[1:35:15] Speaker 2: I'm just being real.
[1:35:17] Speaker 10: Nothing's good.
[1:35:17] Speaker 14: Like, the shoe research, there is not research that shoes
[1:35:21] Speaker 14: have ever prevented a sports injury, right?
[1:35:24] Speaker 10: They might, but it hasn't been researched that way.
[1:35:27] Speaker 14: And, like, for a lot of the exercises that they
[1:35:30] Speaker 14: do at P3, they have NBA players in there working
[1:35:32] Speaker 14: out really hard, but they ask you to take your
[1:35:32] Speaker 14: shoes off because a lot of shoes put your heel
[1:35:37] Speaker 14: up and your toes down, which increases injury risk for
[1:35:40] Speaker 14: explosive landings and jumping. So, yeah, I mean, shoes are
[1:35:45] Speaker 14: kind of a sad story, and I think that we'll
[1:35:47] Speaker 14: have better stuff in the future once they really start
[1:35:49] Speaker 14: doing biomechanical research about what actually correlates with better performance
[1:35:54] Speaker 14: and healthier athletes. But right now, I don't think we
[1:35:57] Speaker 14: have the research on it, and I think everyone's kind
[1:35:59] Speaker 14: of making it up.
[1:36:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, like, when you just think about
[1:36:03] Speaker 2: in history, like, most of the guys who actually get
[1:36:07] Speaker 2: off the ground with explosion nothing there is usually guys
[1:36:13] Speaker 2: that are in the middle of taking off right so
[1:36:16] Speaker 2: when you think about the jordans and all these guys
[1:36:18] Speaker 2: who's flying strong guys ankles.
[1:36:20] Speaker 4: Right their ankles as strong as shit for them to
[1:36:23] Speaker 4: go up and come down and go so it's like
[1:36:25] Speaker 4: there's nothing there but it's it's on taking off.
[1:36:29] Speaker 2: So it's like They was playing on feet.
[1:36:32] Speaker 4: Like, it's like, you know, do you, should you focus
[1:36:34] Speaker 4: more on, like, working on your feet movement? Working on
[1:36:42] Speaker 4: your feet stability, doing a lot of sand work and
[1:36:45] Speaker 4: shrinking up those ligaments around the foot. I ran track
[1:36:53] Speaker 4: in high school, so I was track before basketball. The
[1:36:56] Speaker 4: things that we did, walking on our heel, the shrinking
[1:36:58] Speaker 4: up our shins, so we didn't have shin splints. I'm
[1:37:03] Speaker 4: thinking about all those movements we didn't do as a
[1:37:07] Speaker 4: group in the NBA. I'm like, well, I didn't have
[1:37:11] Speaker 4: ankle sprains. I never wore tape, but my ankles are
[1:37:14] Speaker 4: strong enough because I always did the same exercises. So
[1:37:17] Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out if they start implementing those
[1:37:21] Speaker 4: back in, could that help? Yes.
[1:37:24] Speaker 14: I think the answer is yes. I think it's exactly that.
[1:37:27] Speaker 14: Everything the track guys do is good, right? Everybody at P3,
[1:37:31] Speaker 14: they start with a dowel test. So you take like
[1:37:34] Speaker 14: a piece of metal on the ground and then you
[1:37:36] Speaker 14: just jump horizontal back and forth across it as many
[1:37:38] Speaker 14: times as you can in eight seconds.
[1:37:40] Speaker 10: And if they see that you're landing well with your.
[1:37:42] Speaker 14: Toes up and you're absorbing force in your hips, et cetera,
[1:37:45] Speaker 14: then you move to bigger plyometrics. Eventually, after weeks and months,
[1:37:50] Speaker 14: you get to like five tall plyometric boxes in a row,
[1:37:55] Speaker 14: like 48 inches or whatever, and you just go boing,
[1:37:57] Speaker 14: you don't even touch them, you just jump clear over
[1:37:59] Speaker 14: them all in a row.
[1:38:00] Speaker 10: Massive forces, right?
[1:38:01] Speaker 14: If you don't land with good form, this would cause
[1:38:04] Speaker 14: an injury, but they want you to train that, right?
[1:38:06] Speaker 10: They want you to be.
[1:38:07] Speaker 14: Neurologically elite in how you put your feet on the
[1:38:10] Speaker 14: ground and how you absorb force and how you sprain
[1:38:12] Speaker 14: to the next one. And once you get that real training,
[1:38:16] Speaker 14: which is built on weeks and months and years.
[1:38:18] Speaker 10: Then you're ready to prevent injuries, right?
[1:38:21] Speaker 14: Now you're ready to attempt a layup, get bumped in
[1:38:23] Speaker 14: the air, and then put your foot out in a
[1:38:25] Speaker 14: way that you don't even think about, but that's not
[1:38:27] Speaker 14: going to tear your Achilles or your ACL.
[1:38:30] Speaker 1: So Commissioner Adam Silver was asked about all these Achilles
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: injuries going on in the league before the draft yesterday,
[1:38:36] Speaker 1: and here was his answer.
[1:38:39] Speaker 2: We are looking at it.
[1:38:40] Speaker 7: And in fact, we had already convened a panel of
[1:38:43] Speaker 7: experts before Tyrese's most recent Achilles rupture. So we had
[1:38:49] Speaker 7: seven this year. We had zero last year under the
[1:38:53] Speaker 7: exact same circumstances. And the most we've ever had in
[1:38:57] Speaker 7: a season is four. NFL has had a rash of
[1:39:00] Speaker 7: Achilles issues as well. So the purpose of convening those
[1:39:03] Speaker 7: experts is to try to figure out what's going on.
[1:39:06] Speaker 7: You know, it's interesting. When we look back at the
[1:39:07] Speaker 7: last 10 years... The majority of the Achilles injuries have
[1:39:10] Speaker 7: happened before the All-Star break. So it's not clear it's
[1:39:14] Speaker 7: the number of games. And as you know, modern NBA players,
[1:39:17] Speaker 7: even when they're not playing games, sometimes in the summer,
[1:39:19] Speaker 7: they're working harder than they are during the season when
[1:39:22] Speaker 7: they're playing three games a week. They're often playing every day.
[1:39:25] Speaker 7: Some experts think it may have more to do with
[1:39:28] Speaker 7: youth basketball. It may have as much to do with
[1:39:31] Speaker 7: what they do from 10 to 19. Increasingly, they're single-sport athletes.
[1:39:35] Speaker 7: These guys train also harder than... When I talk to
[1:39:40] Speaker 7: veteran players now, I was talking to Andre Wadala the
[1:39:42] Speaker 7: other day, the head of the Players Association. He's saying
[1:39:44] Speaker 7: he's counseling a lot of these players that they need
[1:39:46] Speaker 7: more rest on their body in the off-season. I mean,
[1:39:49] Speaker 7: you've got guys working out three times a day. So
[1:39:52] Speaker 7: I'm hopeful that by looking at more data, by looking
[1:39:55] Speaker 7: at patterns... This is one area where AI, people are
[1:39:58] Speaker 7: talking about how that's going to transform so many areas.
[1:40:00] Speaker 7: The ability with AI to ingest all video of every
[1:40:05] Speaker 7: game a player has played in to see if you
[1:40:06] Speaker 7: can detect there's some pattern that we didn't realize that
[1:40:10] Speaker 7: leads to an Achilles injury, whether it's associated with calf injuries,
[1:40:13] Speaker 7: we really don't know.
[1:40:14] Speaker 2: But we're taking it very seriously.
[1:40:18] Speaker 1: So we heard what Adam Silver said, but Henry, I've
[1:40:19] Speaker 1: got to ask you, how preventable are most of the
[1:40:21] Speaker 1: injuries that we are seeing today?
[1:40:24] Speaker 3: A lot.
[1:40:25] Speaker 10: I mean, a lot of things are preventable. I don't
[1:40:26] Speaker 10: want to make fun of Adam.
[1:40:27] Speaker 14: I think he's a good commissioner and everything. But, like,
[1:40:29] Speaker 14: didn't it seem a little like he was like, oh,
[1:40:31] Speaker 14: it's youth basketball.
[1:40:32] Speaker 2: It's everybody else's fault. Yeah, I know. It's the NFL.
[1:40:36] Speaker 10: Like, just turn off the lawyer for a second.
[1:40:39] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:40:39] Speaker 14: Like, it's also possible playing NBA basketball causes Achilles injuries, right?
[1:40:44] Speaker 2: It happened on TV. We saw it. 10 to 19.
[1:40:46] Speaker 2: 10 to 19. Before it comes in the league.
[1:40:48] Speaker 3: No, I get it.
[1:40:53] Speaker 14: But yeah, the league also has a 10-year relationship with
[1:40:56] Speaker 14: this place, P3A, with the book about. And I think
[1:40:58] Speaker 14: this panel is going to find out that the best
[1:41:01] Speaker 14: way to ascertain what happens to cause injuries is.
[1:41:04] Speaker 2: The place that's 30 years.
[1:41:06] Speaker 10: Into studying that exact thing with granular movement data. It's
[1:41:09] Speaker 10: not going to be.
[1:41:10] Speaker 14: They're not going to find the answer from an epidemiologist
[1:41:13] Speaker 14: like in population studies and wherever they're going to use.
[1:41:16] Speaker 14: Like they're going to find it from exactly how Tyrese
[1:41:18] Speaker 14: Halliburton puts his foot down and how his hips bend
[1:41:22] Speaker 14: and all this stuff in the weeks and months and
[1:41:24] Speaker 14: years before.
[1:41:25] Speaker 10: Right. This is where the trainable preventions are for all
[1:41:27] Speaker 10: of these things. So it's coming.
[1:41:29] Speaker 14: Like, you know, I think this is coming to all
[1:41:31] Speaker 14: of us a whole different way. We're not going to
[1:41:32] Speaker 14: use MRIs anymore to figure out who's injury risk. We're
[1:41:35] Speaker 14: going to use how healthy players move. And see, just
[1:41:38] Speaker 14: like we do with heart attacks, right? If you go
[1:41:40] Speaker 14: to the doctor now, they know if you're at risk
[1:41:42] Speaker 14: for a heart attack 10 years before, and they started
[1:41:44] Speaker 14: addressing it before, right? We're going to start doing that
[1:41:46] Speaker 14: with these injuries. They're already doing it in Santa Barbara, right,
[1:41:49] Speaker 14: for a bunch of NBA players right now, where we're
[1:41:52] Speaker 14: just going to look and see, look, your big risk
[1:41:53] Speaker 14: is in your right hip or someone else's big risk
[1:41:56] Speaker 14: might be in their left calf. but they're going to
[1:41:59] Speaker 14: train you away from your biggest risk thing so that
[1:42:01] Speaker 14: we won't get injuries down to zero.
[1:42:03] Speaker 10: But there's a guy, there's a guy named Jeremy Bettle
[1:42:05] Speaker 10: who's in the.
[1:42:05] Speaker 14: Book who took this kind of practice to the NHL
[1:42:10] Speaker 14: team in Toronto. And they had zero, with all these
[1:42:13] Speaker 14: screenings all the time, and they kept checking how everyone's moving,
[1:42:16] Speaker 14: and they had zero non-contact injuries during the years he
[1:42:19] Speaker 14: was there. So I think we can have way fewer
[1:42:22] Speaker 14: injuries in sports if we do this smarter.
[1:42:24] Speaker 1: Well, I hope we do, Henry, because obviously we enjoy
[1:42:27] Speaker 1: watching high-level basketball with high-level players. So I hate to
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: see all these guys that are going to be missing
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: extended time entering this year. But we appreciate you so
[1:42:33] Speaker 1: much for taking time out of your schedule to pull
[1:42:35] Speaker 1: up to Gil's Arena presented by $ 100. Everybody, make sure
[1:42:38] Speaker 1: you go grab the book Ballistic. Available now wherever you
[1:42:41] Speaker 1: get your books. Henry Abbott, the legend. Appreciate you coming on, man.
[1:42:45] Speaker 10: Thank you very much.
[1:42:45] Speaker 2: That was fun. Thank you. True hoop.
[1:42:51] Speaker 1: They know ball. Let's keep this thing moving. Let's shift
[1:42:55] Speaker 1: back over to the NBA draft. We got to talk
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: about one of the biggest storylines that happened at the
[1:42:59] Speaker 1: draft last night. We talked about how Ace Bailey didn't
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: work out or meet with any teams ahead of the draft,
[1:43:07] Speaker 1: reportedly making him the only U.S.-based prospect that chose to
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: go that route. Well, it was reported that Bailey had
[1:43:14] Speaker 1: a list of preferred destinations in mind with that strategy,
[1:43:18] Speaker 1: which did not include the Utah Jazz. But he ended
[1:43:21] Speaker 1: up being selected by the Utah Jazz. So here's a
[1:43:25] Speaker 1: photo of Bailey on stage with Commissioner Adam Silver after
[1:43:28] Speaker 1: getting drafted to Utah. I'll let you be the judge
[1:43:31] Speaker 1: at his look. Very, I think, in shock, perhaps. Beautiful moment.
[1:43:38] Speaker 1: We have zoomed in on the face. This is his
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: draft day moment. Fifth overall pick, Danny Ainge said, you
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: coming anyway. LaQuinn Dickey. So in his press conference, Bailey
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: was asked if he knew the Jazz had interest in him.
[1:43:55] Speaker 1: Here was his response.
[1:43:56] Speaker 3: Just a blessing.
[1:43:57] Speaker 15: I mean, to look at him, he's smiling hard right
[1:44:00] Speaker 15: now because I know the hard work, the sacrifices, the blood,
[1:44:02] Speaker 15: the sweat, the tears, not just from me, but my
[1:44:04] Speaker 15: family put into this. So to look at him, he's
[1:44:06] Speaker 15: just smiling at me right now. So I'm just blessed
[1:44:08] Speaker 15: to be here. And did you have any idea they
[1:44:12] Speaker 15: had any interest in you?
[1:44:13] Speaker 2: No idea.
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: Perhaps he may have had an idea if he actually
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: met with them prior to the draft.
[1:44:20] Speaker 2: This is easy.
[1:44:24] Speaker 1: So when asked if he was happy to be in Utah,
[1:44:28] Speaker 1: here's what the prospect out of Rutgers said.
[1:44:31] Speaker 15: I mean, I control what I control, so how they feel,
[1:44:34] Speaker 15: how they feel. But my team and me, just me
[1:44:37] Speaker 15: focusing on the basketball and them.
[1:44:38] Speaker 2: Doing what they're doing, so it happens.
[1:44:41] Speaker 1: I'm also noticing with the draft hats, they seem like
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: they should have an extension in the back for guys
[1:44:45] Speaker 1: with long hair getting– It's hard to put them things on, man.
[1:44:49] Speaker 2: This is your draft moment. I'm happy to meet you.
[1:44:51] Speaker 2: So despite the reports.
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: Of Bailey not wanting to go to Utah, President of
[1:44:53] Speaker 1: Basketball Operations Austin Ainge told ESPN about Bailey. We really
[1:44:57] Speaker 1: like him as a player and fit in our program.
[1:45:00] Speaker 1: So based on the information that we have, did Ace
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: Bailey play himself throughout this draft process?
[1:45:07] Speaker 2: I think the people that said he wasn't going to
[1:45:08] Speaker 2: get drafted played him. That he wasn't going to get drafted?
[1:45:12] Speaker 2: We knew he was going to get drafted. Who said
[1:45:14] Speaker 2: he wasn't going to get drafted?
[1:45:15] Speaker 3: I said he was going to fall.
[1:45:18] Speaker 2: Well, to where? Out of the lottery, probably. Hell no.
[1:45:24] Speaker 2: He was going to six. Hey, where is five? Utah.
[1:45:30] Speaker 2: Who has that team? Who controls that team?
[1:45:33] Speaker 3: Danny Ains. Ownership.
[1:45:36] Speaker 1: D-Wade is a part of the ownership group.
[1:45:38] Speaker 2: The city owns it, right?
[1:45:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:45:41] Speaker 2: They're not a part of the collective association.
[1:45:44] Speaker 6: They're like New Orleans. They on the outside. If they
[1:45:47] Speaker 6: want to send a message, like we're saying, send him
[1:45:50] Speaker 6: a message.
[1:45:51] Speaker 2: Send who? Ace. You're not bigger than the.
[1:45:55] Speaker 3: League.
[1:45:56] Speaker 6: If you let this go where you want shit go,
[1:45:59] Speaker 6: you're going to deal with it for the next 10 years.
[1:46:01] Speaker 6: So they had to nip it in the bud at
[1:46:03] Speaker 6: some point. But he got all the way down to five.
[1:46:05] Speaker 6: He didn't get to go where he wanted to go.
[1:46:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, which was six.
[1:46:09] Speaker 3: So.
[1:46:10] Speaker 6: You know, he went far, he got close. He didn't
[1:46:13] Speaker 6: think they was going to have interest in him. So
[1:46:15] Speaker 6: that's a league team that's like, get him, and we'll
[1:46:17] Speaker 6: figure it out.
[1:46:19] Speaker 3: Wait, so you just pick him just to send a message?
[1:46:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, figure it out.
[1:46:22] Speaker 3: What's the message?
[1:46:23] Speaker 6: That you'll have to play here. Remember the old shit
[1:46:26] Speaker 6: back in the day?
[1:46:27] Speaker 2: I'll have to play here? Yeah.
[1:46:28] Speaker 6: Remember the shit when you got drafted to your team,
[1:46:30] Speaker 6: you got to play? Don't give a fuck if you
[1:46:32] Speaker 6: like it here or not. You're going to play.
[1:46:35] Speaker 3: But why would you draft me somewhere and I don't
[1:46:37] Speaker 3: want to play? You're the best available.
[1:46:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. If I'm Utah Jazz, I'm doing it.
[1:46:44] Speaker 2: I'm best available. I got to get you. I don't
[1:46:46] Speaker 2: care what you think or where you want to go. Boy,
[1:46:48] Speaker 2: you can come over here with us. You're going to
[1:46:50] Speaker 2: learn to like it here. I get you for four years.
[1:46:52] Speaker 3: It don't matter.
[1:46:52] Speaker 2: You're going to learn to like it here. You're not
[1:46:54] Speaker 2: going to force me to trade you. It got worse
[1:46:56] Speaker 2: than that. I mean, I know. That's what I'm saying.
[1:46:58] Speaker 2: Everyone knew where he was going. He was going to D.C.
[1:47:01] Speaker 1: I think he wanted to go to the Wizards or
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: Brooklyn at eight, but he wasn't going to be on
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: the board.
[1:47:06] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[1:47:07] Speaker 4: He didn't care about the money that he's losing in
[1:47:10] Speaker 4: the draft. His destination was D.C. If they pass on him,
[1:47:15] Speaker 4: then he's trying to get to Brooklyn. Because whatever he
[1:47:18] Speaker 4: lost in the draft, he was getting that shoe contract
[1:47:21] Speaker 4: money just being in Brooklyn.
[1:47:22] Speaker 2: So those were the two teams that he wanted to
[1:47:24] Speaker 2: go to. It's a power move. He was trying to
[1:47:26] Speaker 2: make a power move. Well, Utah's great for him. So Utah,
[1:47:29] Speaker 2: because he's in their life. I just need one more.
[1:47:32] Speaker 2: But you know the reason why? Because AJ's coming next year.
[1:47:36] Speaker 2: But still, they could play together. I don't want to
[1:47:38] Speaker 2: play together. That's why I didn't work out for them. Yeah.
[1:47:41] Speaker 2: It don't matter. I didn't work out for you, damn.
[1:47:44] Speaker 2: Get the memo, nigga. Don't pick me. Damn.
[1:47:47] Speaker 1: You think the workout was going to trump all the
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: tape that we have on you at Rutgers?
[1:47:50] Speaker 6: That's what I was hoping. That's what I was saying.
[1:47:53] Speaker 6: You might as well go to the workout and tell me.
[1:47:54] Speaker 2: This thing right here. I'm like, bro, what are you talking?
[1:47:57] Speaker 2: You don't need to see me. You see my tape.
[1:47:59] Speaker 2: I'm crazy. I'm crazy. I'm crazy. He should have fucked
[1:48:03] Speaker 2: with me and meet me. Now you get to meet me.
[1:48:06] Speaker 2: He should have just went to the workout. I'm going
[1:48:07] Speaker 2: to have to work out with your ass and you
[1:48:08] Speaker 2: want to die. He should have just went there and
[1:48:10] Speaker 2: got cooked. Oh, hell no.
[1:48:12] Speaker 3: Fucked up the meeting.
[1:48:13] Speaker 2: He should have just got cooked. Oh, whoa, whoa. Nobody
[1:48:16] Speaker 2: can do that. Huh? Nobody can do that. Mentally, you can't. Yeah, mentally, man.
[1:48:21] Speaker 2: I know you can't, but... I mean, you can dog
[1:48:22] Speaker 2: a workout. You can dog a workout. You can go to.
[1:48:24] Speaker 6: The workout and then not... No, no, you can compete, but,
[1:48:27] Speaker 6: you know, you're just out here missing, like.
[1:48:30] Speaker 2: Ah, nah.
[1:48:31] Speaker 13: Once you're there, you're there.
[1:48:35] Speaker 2: Once you're there, nah. Once you're there, you're there. No,
[1:48:38] Speaker 2: you go by yourself.
[1:48:39] Speaker 3: What?
[1:48:39] Speaker 2: Go by yourself.
[1:48:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Ah!
[1:48:43] Speaker 2: Eat a lot.
[1:48:44] Speaker 6: Eat a lot of shit before the workout or something.
[1:48:46] Speaker 6: Farting and shitting. Throwing up.
[1:48:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, throwing up and shit. I mean, at that point,
[1:48:52] Speaker 2: you go there, you might as well just go get... Hey, man, Dylan,
[1:48:56] Speaker 2: come on, man. Let me get my number two pick back. Shit,
[1:48:59] Speaker 2: I went to this bar. Let me go ahead and
[1:49:02] Speaker 2: go to the goddamn Spurs, man.
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: I'm sorry, y'all.
[1:49:07] Speaker 2: This is not one of the places I was even
[1:49:09] Speaker 2: thinking about going. No, he didn't work out for Philly, though.
[1:49:12] Speaker 2: He didn't want to go to Philly. Paul George still.
[1:49:16] Speaker 2: Did not work out for anybody. Think about those things.
[1:49:20] Speaker 2: Think about the Spurs and Philly.
[1:49:24] Speaker 6: This is a good fit, even if he like it
[1:49:26] Speaker 6: or not.
[1:49:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, for him to play. Yeah, for him to play
[1:49:29] Speaker 2: or not. I don't want to be in Philly because
[1:49:30] Speaker 2: you have a team. Cool. I don't want to be there.
[1:49:36] Speaker 2: I've already talked to Washington. I'm a man. I mean,
[1:49:39] Speaker 2: I'm good.
[1:49:39] Speaker 6: I hear what you're saying, too. How is it? You
[1:49:44] Speaker 6: get to put up a play. You're the guy every night.
[1:49:46] Speaker 6: They can't afford to not play you over there. Give
[1:49:50] Speaker 6: me the ball.
[1:49:51] Speaker 3: Listen, man.
[1:49:52] Speaker 2: Listen.
[1:49:52] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:49:53] Speaker 2: He can turn into a little KD. He should have
[1:49:55] Speaker 2: this every night. Yeah. I can beat Donovan Mitchell. Sure.
[1:49:59] Speaker 4: I hit ball and niggas say I'm overrated and I
[1:50:01] Speaker 4: can't be the number one option.
[1:50:03] Speaker 2: That's what I want my legacy to be. I'm out
[1:50:05] Speaker 2: here averaging 25 and niggas are like, that nigga trash.
[1:50:08] Speaker 2: I'm out here 50, 50, 50 and niggas are like, yeah,
[1:50:11] Speaker 2: that nigga trash.
[1:50:12] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:50:16] Speaker 2: You didn't hear what he said the other day. It
[1:50:25] Speaker 2: was a day and a half ago. He picked that
[1:50:27] Speaker 2: same guy in his top five. Yeah, yeah. Because the East.
[1:50:29] Speaker 3: The East is open this year.
[1:50:30] Speaker 2: Top five. So you went from being trashed to top five.
[1:50:32] Speaker 2: I've been doing this for eight years. You got to
[1:50:35] Speaker 2: give me some time. Give me some time. Give me
[1:50:36] Speaker 2: some time. I'll become your top five in some time.
[1:50:39] Speaker 2: Give me some time. Give me some time. Give me
[1:50:41] Speaker 2: some time. Give me some time. Give me some time.
[1:50:43] Speaker 3: Give me some time.
[1:50:44] Speaker 2: Give me some time. Give me some time. Give me
[1:50:46] Speaker 2: some time. Give me some time. Leave me alone. No, no, no, no, no.
[1:51:03] Speaker 2: Every time he says something back, somebody want to stupid.
[1:51:05] Speaker 3: No, no, no.
[1:51:06] Speaker 2: Listen to what I'm saying. Leave me alone. This is
[1:51:07] Speaker 2: what I'm saying. When we talk about Donovan Mitchell, right?
[1:51:12] Speaker 4: Every year, his rookie season is his worst, averaging 20.5.
[1:51:17] Speaker 2: Made the playoffs.
[1:51:18] Speaker 4: So as a rookie, 20.5, 4 and 4 is his
[1:51:23] Speaker 4: worst numbers.
[1:51:24] Speaker 2: God. And he's a two-time All-NBA player. That's it. Right now,
[1:51:31] Speaker 2: if he retired, he's scratching to try to be a
[1:51:34] Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. Averaging 20-something every year. Average 20-something every
[1:51:39] Speaker 2: single season. Playoffs, too.
[1:51:42] Speaker 4: He got the first team this year for the first time.
[1:51:44] Speaker 4: And he's been in the playoffs every year?
[1:51:45] Speaker 2: Every year. Every year in the playoffs. Damn. So we
[1:51:49] Speaker 2: feel like Jazz sent in a message. You don't want
[1:51:50] Speaker 2: to go to no small city. Jazz sent in a message.
[1:51:53] Speaker 2: They don't treat you right.
[1:51:56] Speaker 1: The Jazz sent in a message to Ace Bailey, we
[1:51:58] Speaker 1: don't care what you want. I was going to say boy,
[1:52:01] Speaker 1: but the internet's been on me the past couple of days.
[1:52:03] Speaker 1: But we don't care what you want.
[1:52:04] Speaker 2: Boy. I'm coming to play here. To Quinn Dickey. You're
[1:52:08] Speaker 2: going to work. If I'm Utah, man. Do we think
[1:52:10] Speaker 2: he stays? I'm doing the same thing. Shit. I wanted
[1:52:13] Speaker 2: to go to Miami, too. I wanted to go to
[1:52:15] Speaker 2: the Knicks. I went to Minnesota. You think I wanted
[1:52:18] Speaker 2: to go to Minnesota? You wanted to go to the Clippers. Gil,
[1:52:20] Speaker 2: where did you want to go? I wanted to go
[1:52:21] Speaker 2: to L.A. Where did you want to go coming out
[1:52:23] Speaker 2: of college, into the draft? Be honest. I ain't here, man.
[1:52:28] Speaker 5: You had five teams short, though.
[1:52:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't that big to be thinking about, like,
[1:52:35] Speaker 2: picking teams. They could just draft me. But what team
[1:52:38] Speaker 2: would you like to go play for? Then?
[1:52:42] Speaker 3: Lakers.
[1:52:43] Speaker 2: I don't even know they had a pick.
[1:52:47] Speaker 3: It's 2001.
[1:52:47] Speaker 2: Back to back to back. Oh, so you want to
[1:52:52] Speaker 2: be sitting right there? That is the Devin George. Sitting
[1:52:54] Speaker 2: right there in that motherfucking seat like this. That was
[1:52:56] Speaker 2: the Devin George pick?
[1:52:56] Speaker 3: Huh?
[1:52:56] Speaker 2: Devin George? Yeah. Nah, I don't. Nah, he wasn't a knockout.
[1:53:00] Speaker 2: And then you went with them rings. No, they was
[1:53:01] Speaker 2: on three in a row. No, I wouldn't. They were
[1:53:04] Speaker 2: three in a row then.
[1:53:04] Speaker 1: I don't think they had a pick there. They didn't
[1:53:06] Speaker 1: have a pick. From my mistaken.
[1:53:08] Speaker 2: Because trust me, I would have known a nigga who
[1:53:09] Speaker 2: got picked there. Devin George. Who the fuck got picked there? Damn.
[1:53:14] Speaker 3: D3.
[1:53:14] Speaker 2: I was trying to go to the Knicks at seven.
[1:53:17] Speaker 2: with Darren Toney. But you got drafted by Milwaukee, showed
[1:53:20] Speaker 2: up to work, 55 picks. They picked Jordan Hill. Man,
[1:53:23] Speaker 2: I would have been like, pin birthday, boy. They picked
[1:53:25] Speaker 2: Jordan Hill at seven. My career would have been pin birthday, baby,
[1:53:28] Speaker 2: with a ring at Summer League, thinking I'm the shit.
[1:53:31] Speaker 3: What's happening?
[1:53:33] Speaker 2: Who walked this? Oh, he walked in. Listen, the reason
[1:53:37] Speaker 2: I wanted to be a Laker, bro, listen, when I, listen,
[1:53:42] Speaker 2: y'all got it in your heart.
[1:53:44] Speaker 4: Brother, if you went to If you went to the
[1:53:48] Speaker 4: pyramid and played in summer league and watched the Lakers
[1:53:53] Speaker 4: come through.
[1:53:54] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:53:55] Speaker 2: The way he walked in the building. It was a spectacle.
[1:53:58] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:53:59] Speaker 2: You would have thought he was goddamn Shaq. Like, damn,
[1:54:03] Speaker 2: look at, look at, damn. An assortment of work from
[1:54:07] Speaker 2: the South Bank. Like, damn. I don't even know who
[1:54:12] Speaker 2: he is. But he's a man right now. Mike Pemberty. Pemberty, dog.
[1:54:18] Speaker 2: We're coming to give you a jumper. I went out
[1:54:20] Speaker 2: there with a flying thrower. We're coming to give you
[1:54:22] Speaker 2: the Pemberty. Yeah, he was Lemon Daddy before Lemon Daddy,
[1:54:25] Speaker 2: but didn't get Lemon Daddy time.
[1:54:26] Speaker 1: He was the original predecessor to Caruso and Lemon Daddy.
[1:54:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a Caruso and Lemon Daddy. He was
[1:54:31] Speaker 4: the white man that came through. Everybody stopped you.
[1:54:35] Speaker 2: Lemon Pepper. That was the first superstar I seen in
[1:54:42] Speaker 2: summer league.
[1:54:42] Speaker 4: Mike Pemberton. It was him and then all of the Clippers.
[1:54:46] Speaker 4: All of the Clippers just matched his energy. That's how
[1:54:49] Speaker 4: big he was.
[1:54:50] Speaker 2: I was like, damn, man. I just want to be
[1:54:51] Speaker 2: on that team.
[1:54:54] Speaker 1: How do we see this situation playing out for Ace Bailey? Utah,
[1:54:56] Speaker 1: there's not a bad spot for him to be in
[1:54:58] Speaker 1: to at least get some numbers. It's not a bad spot.
[1:55:00] Speaker 2: Potentially beat a man. Jazz are up and coming squad.
[1:55:03] Speaker 2: Reality is reality, man. Just hoop. You got to play.
[1:55:05] Speaker 3: Just hoop. You're in the league.
[1:55:07] Speaker 2: Be grateful. You can leave when you're a free agent.
[1:55:09] Speaker 3: There's a lot of dudes who don't get picked. So
[1:55:13] Speaker 3: you are going to a situation where you can play.
[1:55:15] Speaker 2: And a lot of dudes who do. Man. Wait, wait,
[1:55:18] Speaker 2: who's the small forward over there? Jalen Williams' brother. He
[1:55:23] Speaker 2: ain't got no name.
[1:55:25] Speaker 3: Jalen Williams' brother.
[1:55:27] Speaker 2: Who the coach? Hardy?
[1:55:31] Speaker 3: No.
[1:55:31] Speaker 2: Somebody new. I'm just saying, we don't know nothing about
[1:55:33] Speaker 2: them over there. I'm just being honest. I just know
[1:55:36] Speaker 2: my man Jordan Clarkson over there. The two big, right? Collins.
[1:55:43] Speaker 2: Collins is there. What position?
[1:55:46] Speaker 3: He's nice.
[1:55:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, Collins is nice. They got the guard. Collier is good.
[1:55:50] Speaker 2: Isaiah Collier.
[1:55:52] Speaker 1: Marking in. John Collins. Walker Kessler. Future Laker. So John Collins.
[1:55:55] Speaker 1: He's on the roster right now. So Collins is a four. Okay,
[1:55:59] Speaker 1: he may be coming to LA as well.
[1:56:01] Speaker 2: No, Walker. Walker is a three? Who's a three? No,
[1:56:04] Speaker 2: Collins has come out the bench. Huh? Who's their small four?
[1:56:08] Speaker 3: Williams.
[1:56:10] Speaker 4: Laurie Markkinen right now.
[1:56:12] Speaker 1: Markkinen is a four, right? He plays a three. He's
[1:56:14] Speaker 1: playing a three right now. They have Collins listed. So
[1:56:20] Speaker 1: they got Markkinen at the three. Who's the shooting guard?
[1:56:24] Speaker 1: He's been running around with that three game. Starting at
[1:56:28] Speaker 1: the two?
[1:56:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be mad too if I'm going to there.
[1:56:32] Speaker 2: I'm not at all. I'm playing with Markkinen. Who are
[1:56:35] Speaker 2: you playing in front of? Sexton? Some of those people
[1:56:39] Speaker 2: will not be there. We playing in front of marketing?
[1:56:41] Speaker 2: He's a three. It's the position you play. But even
[1:56:44] Speaker 2: if I'm coming off the bench to start the season
[1:56:45] Speaker 2: and prove myself. Let me get in. Coach, you're going
[1:56:48] Speaker 2: to have to put me in eventually. We're going to
[1:56:50] Speaker 2: work you. Yeah, man, we're going to work you. Y'all
[1:56:53] Speaker 2: got to think, there's NBA players there. No matter if
[1:56:56] Speaker 2: they team suck, there's a nigga in my position. Oh,
[1:56:58] Speaker 2: for sure.
[1:56:58] Speaker 6: Wouldn't that be fair for everybody?
[1:57:01] Speaker 2: The position I am, that's the best player. No, he's not.
[1:57:04] Speaker 2: Come on, man. That's the best player. He's not playing
[1:57:08] Speaker 2: the fucking three. No, he plays the three. Who's they center? See,
[1:57:14] Speaker 2: now you want to move the small forward to center.
[1:57:16] Speaker 1: Walker Kessler, but he'll be coming to L.A. very soon.
[1:57:19] Speaker 2: If we trade for him. In a trade. So he'll
[1:57:21] Speaker 2: be at Lakers.
[1:57:21] Speaker 4: If we trade for Kessler. But right now. Rob, do something.
[1:57:25] Speaker 2: Do something, Rob. That's what I'm saying. The record. No
[1:57:30] Speaker 2: matter what the record is, it's the people that's there.
[1:57:35] Speaker 2: I know. Man, that's his spot.
[1:57:38] Speaker 4: They're going to get rid of my all-star. I'm going
[1:57:43] Speaker 4: to bench him for the rookie.
[1:57:44] Speaker 2: Come on. No, no, no, not the all-star, but the
[1:57:46] Speaker 2: rest of you niggas can move. Yeah, come on, man.
[1:57:48] Speaker 2: So now I got to play my small. Like, I
[1:57:50] Speaker 2: can only put him at the shooting guard. So you're
[1:57:53] Speaker 2: going to move it around.
[1:57:54] Speaker 3: Mark is a fool.
[1:57:55] Speaker 2: You're going to move it around. But he wants to
[1:57:57] Speaker 2: put it. I want to put it like, so then
[1:58:00] Speaker 2: I got to put what? Kessel or Collins? Collins, I
[1:58:03] Speaker 2: just signed Collins. 2-3 is interchangeable. I'm about to say.
[1:58:07] Speaker 2: They're trying to trade Collins. I'm about to say. No,
[1:58:10] Speaker 2: he didn't. 2-3.
[1:58:10] Speaker 6: I'm going to play at the 1. I'm playing section
[1:58:12] Speaker 6: at the 1 and letting Ace play the 2. Section
[1:58:13] Speaker 6: at the 1. marketing that to three Collins and then
[1:58:18] Speaker 6: you still got Keontae George, though. That's what I'm saying, though.
[1:58:21] Speaker 2: There's a reason he didn't work out for them niggas, man.
[1:58:24] Speaker 2: I don't want to go there. It's not your choice.
[1:58:27] Speaker 2: It's a draft, sir. It's a draft.
[1:58:30] Speaker 3: I mean, no, I get it.
[1:58:31] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not drafting nobody. And we picked you.
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. So we
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: asked the chat, did Ace Bailey play himself? 65% of
[1:58:37] Speaker 1: the chat says yes. We shall see. We'll see what
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: he does this summer league, what he does next season
[1:58:42] Speaker 1: if the Jazz makes some moves, how he ends up
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: working out for him.
[1:58:44] Speaker 2: He's the number two pick. That's what I'm saying. He
[1:58:49] Speaker 2: wasn't the number one two pick. He was. He was
[1:58:51] Speaker 2: the number two pick. Man, I seen Harper number two.
[1:58:54] Speaker 2: It'd be fucking weird. Okay, I'm not arguing with you.
[1:58:56] Speaker 3: You're right.
[1:58:58] Speaker 2: Thank you. Learn to do that. Shut the fuck up, stop.
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[2:00:02] Speaker 1: the Jazz. Let's shift it over back to the Eastern Conference.
[2:00:05] Speaker 1: Sixers had the third pick and selected the athletic guard
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: Vijay Edgecombe out of Baylor instead of taking a chance
[2:00:11] Speaker 1: on Ace Bailey. So as for the Sixers overall, President
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: of Basketball Ops Darryl Morey had a positive Joel Embiid
[2:00:17] Speaker 1: update yesterday, which we will share with you. Said, Embiid
[2:00:21] Speaker 1: is very engaged in rehab. Quote, very engaged. Shout out
[2:00:24] Speaker 1: to the underdog NBA account. Very engaged in rehab. Expected
[2:00:29] Speaker 1: to be ready right around training camp. So right around
[2:00:33] Speaker 1: also in quotations. Very engaged and right around also in quotations.
[2:00:36] Speaker 1: So right around training camp is open to interpretation.
[2:00:39] Speaker 2: Right around. Right around training camp.
[2:00:45] Speaker 1: So it looks like the Sixers are adding Edgecombe to
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: a roster with a healthy Embiid, Paul George, Tyrese Maxey,
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: and Jared McCain, who was probably the rookie of the
[2:00:52] Speaker 1: year frontrunner last season prior to getting injured. So are
[2:00:55] Speaker 1: you sold on this current Sixers roster?
[2:01:00] Speaker 2: I sure you want to, yeah. With a very engaged Embiid.
[2:01:04] Speaker 3: If they're healthy.
[2:01:05] Speaker 2: He's very engaged.
[2:01:06] Speaker 8: I mean, if they're healthy, yeah. The way the East is,
[2:01:10] Speaker 8: the East is open. So, you know, the Bucs, they
[2:01:13] Speaker 8: don't have Dame. Indiana Pacers, they're not going to come
[2:01:18] Speaker 8: back the same without Tyrese. So if they are trying
[2:01:22] Speaker 8: to make a run or try to make a run
[2:01:23] Speaker 8: at it, this is the time this year. I think
[2:01:25] Speaker 8: for Cleveland, too, and the Knicks, all of them, this
[2:01:28] Speaker 8: is the time for you to try to go get it.
[2:01:29] Speaker 8: So if he's very engaged and.
[2:01:31] Speaker 1: He's very engaged and he'll be ready right around training camp.
[2:01:34] Speaker 8: I mean, this is your best opportunity for me to
[2:01:37] Speaker 8: meet next year for you to try to win a
[2:01:39] Speaker 8: championship or come out of the East.
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: Very engaged in beating his rehab. We'll be ready right
[2:01:44] Speaker 1: around training camp. So let's move over to Sonny. Sonny,
[2:01:49] Speaker 1: are you sold on this current Sixers roster? Is the
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: process to be trusted? What do I call it? You
[2:01:55] Speaker 1: call it processed meat. And what is that, good for
[2:01:58] Speaker 1: you or bad for you? In general, processed meat is
[2:02:01] Speaker 1: not the most ideal option. In the right situation, the seasoning.
[2:02:06] Speaker 2: Hot dogs.
[2:02:07] Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying? The glizzy will get it done.
[2:02:12] Speaker 9: Glizzy dogs and you know what I'm saying? But when
[2:02:14] Speaker 9: you're talking about basketball? When it passes on that type
[2:02:18] Speaker 9: of shit, you want to be shitting all the time.
[2:02:20] Speaker 2: It does. Constipation. It does.
[2:02:22] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:02:23] Speaker 2: A lot of that shit spew out onto the podcasts
[2:02:25] Speaker 2: and shit. It does not keep your stomach right. No.
[2:02:29] Speaker 2: You're not rolling? I wouldn't have told you. Philly's a
[2:02:33] Speaker 2: fucking funeral place.
[2:02:34] Speaker 8: But even with all the teams that are not coming
[2:02:37] Speaker 8: back strong, you still don't think they can make something?
[2:02:40] Speaker 2: Nah.
[2:02:40] Speaker 6: They're going to find a way to fuck it up.
[2:02:43] Speaker 6: The city love the game more than the players.
[2:02:46] Speaker 1: Some very passionate fans of Philadelphia. This is not for you.
[2:02:49] Speaker 1: We respect your passion. No, the Phillies deserve it. They
[2:02:51] Speaker 1: just won the Super Bowl. They own High Horse.
[2:02:55] Speaker 2: They like, man, what?
[2:02:56] Speaker 8: So they should be trying to make moves to get
[2:02:58] Speaker 8: all three of them out? Or just keep Tyrese?
[2:03:04] Speaker 2: How many times have they been in a rebuilding stage?
[2:03:07] Speaker 3: Well, it's been a process.
[2:03:08] Speaker 2: It has been a process.
[2:03:10] Speaker 6: So I'm just saying. You know, on the computer when
[2:03:12] Speaker 6: that shit just keeps circling?
[2:03:14] Speaker 2: The buffering?
[2:03:15] Speaker 6: Right, how long you gonna let that motherfucker keep doing
[2:03:17] Speaker 6: that before you realize you need to start the whole
[2:03:19] Speaker 6: shit over?
[2:03:19] Speaker 2: Unplug it, the whole nine. The problem is, instead of
[2:03:25] Speaker 2: cutting it out, it'd be like... 2% more. And you'd
[2:03:27] Speaker 2: be like, I got it. I got it. It's loading.
[2:03:30] Speaker 2: It's loading. I'm at 98%. I'm right in. Then you
[2:03:34] Speaker 2: see error. At 98%. Then you got to start all
[2:03:38] Speaker 2: the way over again. Yeah, it's at 98%. It was
[2:03:43] Speaker 2: right there. It was right there. Swag, are you sold
[2:03:46] Speaker 2: on the current Sixers roster? Nah, hell nah.
[2:03:50] Speaker 5: I need to start giving out chicken pizza again at
[2:03:54] Speaker 5: the games.
[2:03:55] Speaker 2: Chicken pizza? Chicken Pete? No, Chicken Pete. Chicken Pete? It's
[2:03:59] Speaker 2: like chicken Philly cheese sandwiches. Oh, my God. It was fire.
[2:04:05] Speaker 2: Chicken Pete.
[2:04:06] Speaker 3: Chicken Pete.
[2:04:07] Speaker 2: Chicken Pete. Yeah. Oh, okay. It was fire, bro. Best
[2:04:10] Speaker 2: thing ever. About the game in Philly. Chicken Pete. Chicken Pete. Yeah,
[2:04:15] Speaker 2: because you did play in Philly. He did. Yeah, I
[2:04:17] Speaker 2: gave him like 35. I gave him like 33. I
[2:04:18] Speaker 2: gave him like 33 on the bench. Philly was out
[2:04:20] Speaker 2: of L.A. Fitness. I promise you. Chickies and people. They
[2:04:26] Speaker 2: had their own practice facility. They had an L.A. fitness.
[2:04:29] Speaker 2: They had people in there working out. But they have
[2:04:31] Speaker 2: a facility now. Allen Iverson has a statue at the
[2:04:34] Speaker 2: Sixers facility, I believe. I love that statue. Well, it's
[2:04:36] Speaker 2: practice at L.A. fitness. L.A. fitness? That was great. Excuse me, dog.
[2:04:43] Speaker 2: Excuse me, bro. Excuse me, bro. Hey, bro. Hit on
[2:04:47] Speaker 2: the glass. It was like a gym membership, bro. We
[2:04:50] Speaker 2: the Sixers, bro. We need to get a couple more
[2:04:54] Speaker 2: shots up. Watching us practice, working out on the machines
[2:04:59] Speaker 2: and shit. Like, man, this is crazy, bro.
[2:05:03] Speaker 4: Media, y'all should now apologize to Allen Iverson again. Because
[2:05:07] Speaker 4: ain't no way that superstar was going to LA Fitness.
[2:05:11] Speaker 2: It's a gym. It's a gym membership. Yeah, you got
[2:05:14] Speaker 2: a gym membership. Nah, that thing's got to be home, man.
[2:05:17] Speaker 2: Y'all got to wait. We got a member on the corner.
[2:05:18] Speaker 2: Y'all selling memberships on his name. And they're kind of
[2:05:21] Speaker 2: like the Clippers. And I'm going to be here.
[2:05:24] Speaker 1: And I'm going to be here. The Clippers are at
[2:05:25] Speaker 1: the Spectrum. The Winegard YMCA. The Winegard YMCA.
[2:05:28] Speaker 2: No way. Down the street from.
[2:05:32] Speaker 2: No way. Y'all got to hold up. We got a
[2:05:35] Speaker 2: Bible study going on right now. It went to the Spectrum.
[2:05:37] Speaker 2: That was an upgrade. But it was YFCF. The Young
[2:05:42] Speaker 2: Men's Christian Association. Nah, nah. That was weird. It was
[2:05:45] Speaker 2: weird walking in there. People ask for autographs. You walking
[2:05:48] Speaker 2: through people to get to your car and shit. That
[2:05:50] Speaker 2: shit was crazy, bro. Shout out to the YFCF, though. Man.
[2:05:55] Speaker 2: Have a good time. Get yourself a meal. Do whatever
[2:05:57] Speaker 2: you feel.
[2:05:58] Speaker 1: But that's not Gil Nassau on the Sixers roster, I'll imagine.
[2:06:03] Speaker 2: But Joel Embiid, very engaged in his rehab, Gil. Very.
[2:06:06] Speaker 3: Oh!
[2:06:07] Speaker 2: Oh, he's engaged. No, not engaged, Gil. He's very engaged.
[2:06:10] Speaker 2: So he's answering his phone. So he's very engaged. I mean, like,
[2:06:14] Speaker 2: what does that actually mean? Engaged means what? He's showing
[2:06:17] Speaker 2: up to the gym? Is he saying, yeah, I'm doing it, boss? Like...
[2:06:22] Speaker 2: What is he engaged? One Chipotle burger. Yeah, what is engaged?
[2:06:26] Speaker 4: He's engaged in the rehab, meaning he's okay.
[2:06:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to do this. He just had another
[2:06:32] Speaker 2: surgery right before or after All-Star break or before All-Star break,
[2:06:37] Speaker 2: another meniscus tear. I mean, at this point, we got
[2:06:39] Speaker 2: to ask the question, how much fucking meniscus he got left?
[2:06:42] Speaker 2: At this point, probably 5% to none, which means... He's
[2:06:47] Speaker 2: going to have bone on bone, which is going to
[2:06:49] Speaker 2: be irritating him throughout the season, which he's going to
[2:06:52] Speaker 2: have to load manage again.
[2:06:55] Speaker 4: Him and his body load managing means what? Going to
[2:06:58] Speaker 4: be out of shape, overweight. I mean, okay, yeah, he's
[2:07:01] Speaker 4: going to average 32 and 12, but yes. But how
[2:07:04] Speaker 4: many games am I going to have? He's going to
[2:07:06] Speaker 4: actually have a chance to win games.
[2:07:08] Speaker 2: Remember, at some point, there's going to be a point
[2:07:12] Speaker 2: in time when even if you get the playoffs... There's going.
[2:07:17] Speaker 4: To be game every other day, traveling. His body, at
[2:07:22] Speaker 4: this moment in time, will not be able to hold
[2:07:25] Speaker 4: up because the structure is not what it used to be.
[2:07:29] Speaker 6: So my question would be then, is Philly's whole and
[2:07:33] Speaker 6: sole problem injuries?
[2:07:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, especially big, bro.
[2:07:38] Speaker 6: Because what I want to get to the root of,
[2:07:40] Speaker 6: if he is, like the question is, if he is
[2:07:42] Speaker 6: ready to go Joel Embiid, do they have an opportunity
[2:07:46] Speaker 6: to make a difference?
[2:07:49] Speaker 2: If he's ready to go.
[2:07:50] Speaker 6: So Maxie and him, just to say, Paul George is
[2:07:53] Speaker 6: still a question mark. You got McCain, you got certain
[2:07:56] Speaker 6: guys that are going to be ready to go.
[2:07:58] Speaker 2: If he answers the bell. shows up. Man, he got
[2:08:02] Speaker 2: a chance to win one. To me, like I said, I'm.
[2:08:04] Speaker 6: Still not rolling with Philly, but it changes the way
[2:08:07] Speaker 6: they look if he plays the way that we're not
[2:08:12] Speaker 6: expecting him to play. To me, the positive side of
[2:08:17] Speaker 6: What could happen if he does come back too early
[2:08:19] Speaker 6: and all that is if he looks good.
[2:08:21] Speaker 2: They could win. If he looks really good. They could win.
[2:08:24] Speaker 2: They look good and the.
[2:08:25] Speaker 3: East is down.
[2:08:27] Speaker 2: I don't think they can win.
[2:08:28] Speaker 3: No, no, no.
[2:08:30] Speaker 2: It will revitalize him.
[2:08:33] Speaker 6: It will revitalize him, though. Like for him to come
[2:08:36] Speaker 6: back and have a good season. I don't think we
[2:08:38] Speaker 6: put the pressure on him to come back and have
[2:08:39] Speaker 6: a good season and win.
[2:08:40] Speaker 2: No, no, no. You just say come back and win good.
[2:08:42] Speaker 2: But if he comes back, he's winning. No, no, no.
[2:08:45] Speaker 2: If he plays 70 games and they come up 40.
[2:08:46] Speaker 2: But he's never played 70 games. That's the problem. That's
[2:08:48] Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
[2:08:49] Speaker 6: If he does, if he actually comes back and he's like, yo,
[2:08:52] Speaker 6: I played 70 this year. Y'all didn't think I was
[2:08:54] Speaker 6: going to play 55. That's what I'm saying. The outcome
[2:08:58] Speaker 6: and outlook of Philly changes. Regardless if they win or not,
[2:09:01] Speaker 6: it's like he plays 70 games. This is how he
[2:09:05] Speaker 6: looks to us now. Paul George, Maxie Wachock.
[2:09:08] Speaker 10: Him.
[2:09:09] Speaker 2: He's only in his way.
[2:09:10] Speaker 4: Philly, the person that's in your way is your best player.
[2:09:15] Speaker 4: It's not about his game.
[2:09:17] Speaker 2: I know. If we say if he plays 72 regular seasons,
[2:09:22] Speaker 2: we know playoffs might be like, ah, Because now the
[2:09:26] Speaker 2: game's a fact. You're talking about on the burnout side?
[2:09:29] Speaker 2: Just his body. You're saying he's not going to last?
[2:09:31] Speaker 2: The body's not going to last. Because he hasn't done
[2:09:33] Speaker 2: it because he hasn't proven to do it. You know
[2:09:35] Speaker 2: what I mean? Structurally, his body, you're talking about he
[2:09:40] Speaker 2: is arthritic. These are arthritic bones. Now these hips is
[2:09:45] Speaker 2: these are bad hips now, right?
[2:09:48] Speaker 5: So the players 70 games We came the year before
[2:09:51] Speaker 5: the play we've been punishing him though.
[2:09:53] Speaker 2: We have 34 last year not this.
[2:09:56] Speaker 6: Year Look the game the low management for him trying
[2:09:59] Speaker 6: to play each because he's trying to play more 34
[2:10:02] Speaker 6: you can't play him less minutes You can't play him
[2:10:05] Speaker 6: less minutes.
[2:10:06] Speaker 5: All he needs to play is 75 games, including the playoffs.
[2:10:10] Speaker 2: You play 75 games, including the playoffs.
[2:10:13] Speaker 4: Your team's not winning nothing. You're not winning. Remember, he
[2:10:18] Speaker 4: had the scoring title. I mean, he had MVP and
[2:10:20] Speaker 4: scoring title and got beat out by the Knicks because
[2:10:24] Speaker 4: he wasn't healthy.
[2:10:26] Speaker 2: He just needs to win 20 of them playoff games.
[2:10:29] Speaker 3: That's it.
[2:10:30] Speaker 2: Remember, he won MVP. But no Tatum in Boston. I'm
[2:10:34] Speaker 2: just saying, if he's like him, no Tatum, no Tyrese.
[2:10:38] Speaker 2: No Dane. Come on, he got a chance.
[2:10:42] Speaker 4: Those games are going every other day. His body can't
[2:10:46] Speaker 4: do it. There comes a point in time where your
[2:10:52] Speaker 4: body physically can't. I'm 100 today, and I played to 51.
[2:10:57] Speaker 4: With a day of rest, it only gets me back
[2:10:59] Speaker 4: to 75. It don't get me back to 100 like
[2:11:01] Speaker 4: these young dudes. So I'm going into a second game
[2:11:04] Speaker 4: at 75 to push me to 25 to get back
[2:11:07] Speaker 4: to 50. Going to game seven won't work for him.
[2:11:10] Speaker 4: He couldn't play in his championship round. What's the reason why?
[2:11:13] Speaker 2: He would have been done game six and seven physically.
[2:11:16] Speaker 2: Reason why physically is because what?
[2:11:18] Speaker 3: Bad habits.
[2:11:19] Speaker 2: Condition.
[2:11:20] Speaker 3: Bad habits.
[2:11:21] Speaker 2: We just talked to this dude right here, right? Henry Abbott.
[2:11:25] Speaker 2: If I was in good rapport with athletes, they would
[2:11:27] Speaker 2: come to me and I'd get them right. All the way. 100%.
[2:11:31] Speaker 2: Because I know what I'm doing. I've seen the results.
[2:11:35] Speaker 6: When you trim down, not for the sake of I
[2:11:39] Speaker 6: lost weight, for the sake of me finding out where
[2:11:42] Speaker 6: my BMI is, finding out where my center is, where
[2:11:45] Speaker 6: I can... So I can actually build from this. You
[2:11:50] Speaker 6: got to take your body weight all the way back
[2:11:52] Speaker 6: down to that. So when you do, you'll find out
[2:11:54] Speaker 6: that you're a lot lighter than you thought. Like you
[2:11:57] Speaker 6: didn't think you was scraping your feet when you walk,
[2:12:01] Speaker 6: bottom of your heels because you fat.
[2:12:04] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:12:05] Speaker 6: You don't know you fat until somebody show you you fat.
[2:12:08] Speaker 2: Like, look, this all fat shit you doing. I feel
[2:12:11] Speaker 2: like you're looking at me and telling me I'm fat. No,
[2:12:14] Speaker 2: you're not fat. He's just a big bone.
[2:12:16] Speaker 1: On behalf of fat people, we got big wrists.
[2:12:20] Speaker 2: He got big fingers. We know when we're fat, we
[2:12:22] Speaker 2: just don't care. No, nigga, he gonna eat fat when
[2:12:25] Speaker 2: he get older. Uncle Nick. Let me get a black.
[2:12:31] Speaker 2: Let me get a black.
[2:12:34] Speaker 6: But this is the whole training regimen for a guy
[2:12:38] Speaker 6: like him and Zion and all those guys is first nutrition. Second, man,
[2:12:45] Speaker 6: stay in the gym on your understanding, your core, your
[2:12:49] Speaker 6: body and your strengths. And if you can't, you go,
[2:12:52] Speaker 6: you go fuck around and you're going to keep doing
[2:12:54] Speaker 6: that bone on bone shit because there is something you
[2:12:56] Speaker 6: can compensate with bone on bone. And that's your weight
[2:12:59] Speaker 6: because it's how much weight you holding on that on
[2:13:01] Speaker 6: your knees.
[2:13:01] Speaker 2: That's the only thing you need to change.
[2:13:04] Speaker 1: So we will see how it works out for the
[2:13:06] Speaker 1: Sixers before we move on.
[2:13:07] Speaker 2: Six and three-something games. Before we move on, Swaggy, the chat.
[2:13:12] Speaker 2: Our Philadelphia fans in the chat wanted you to know
[2:13:14] Speaker 2: it's Chicky and Pete. Oh, Chicky and Pete. Chicky and Pete.
[2:13:18] Speaker 2: They have three. Chicky's and Pete's.
[2:13:22] Speaker 1: $ 3 domestic bottles at happy hour or a half-sized pizza
[2:13:26] Speaker 1: is one of their specials and deals.
[2:13:27] Speaker 2: Shout out to Chicky's and Pete's. Coming together. They both
[2:13:32] Speaker 2: have restaurants. We're going to come together and make our own.
[2:13:34] Speaker 2: How was the Philly cheesesteaks there? Fire. We have one
[2:13:39] Speaker 2: last thing we need to address here in the arena.
[2:13:42] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[2:13:43] Speaker 2: I said the same shit. I was like, ah. Was
[2:13:45] Speaker 2: it Geno's or something like that? Yeah. Geno's and Pat's
[2:13:48] Speaker 2: are tourist traps. Don't go there. But who's letting you know?
[2:13:52] Speaker 2: For real. It's a dream spot across the street. It's
[2:13:55] Speaker 2: like the body shop on Sunset back in the day
[2:13:57] Speaker 2: for those who know. Larry makes a better cheese steak
[2:13:58] Speaker 2: than that. Tourist trap. All right, Larry. Got it worse
[2:14:02] Speaker 2: than that.
[2:14:04] Speaker 1: But we got one last thing we need to talk about.
[2:14:05] Speaker 1: It involves you, Gil. So you were on First Take
[2:14:08] Speaker 1: last week. has some lengthy discussions about ring culture. Well,
[2:14:12] Speaker 1: Draymond Green appeared to disagree with your comments about ring
[2:14:16] Speaker 1: culture last week on First Take.
[2:14:19] Speaker 2: He said that rings of players who were.
[2:14:20] Speaker 1: Second options are not held in the same regard as
[2:14:23] Speaker 1: those who were first options on championship teams. So Draymond
[2:14:27] Speaker 1: went on threads and posted the following. He said, a
[2:14:33] Speaker 1: bunch of non-champions having championship conversations. This world we live
[2:14:37] Speaker 1: in is crazy.
[2:14:38] Speaker 3: These are my hacks.
[2:14:40] Speaker 2: As to which, Gil, you responded.
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: You said, you should thank us for the convo so
[2:14:45] Speaker 1: second options and thirds get a fair judgment. Clay with
[2:14:48] Speaker 1: four rings left off the top 75. Pippen has six
[2:14:51] Speaker 1: rings and sits 32 all time. Six people in front
[2:14:54] Speaker 1: of him with no rings.
[2:14:56] Speaker 3: Why?
[2:14:57] Speaker 2: Exclamation point. Not my opinion.
[2:14:59] Speaker 1: It's my research that exposed they don't respect second option rings.
[2:15:04] Speaker 2: So, I'm not coming at him. What am I coming at?
[2:15:09] Speaker 1: We're not done. That's just the first part. Draymond did
[2:15:11] Speaker 1: offer a response. He quite frankly responded back with, he
[2:15:16] Speaker 1: finally said, there would never be a reason for me
[2:15:18] Speaker 1: to thank y'all about anything involving the game of basketball.
[2:15:21] Speaker 1: Not one particular thing. He said anything involving the game
[2:15:24] Speaker 1: of basketball.
[2:15:24] Speaker 2: Not one thing. Not even the Gilbert Arena provision in
[2:15:27] Speaker 2: the CBA. Nothing.
[2:15:29] Speaker 1: There's also nothing you guys can say or topic y'all
[2:15:32] Speaker 1: can cover that can change anything for me when it
[2:15:35] Speaker 1: comes to the game of basketball or the NBA. Only
[2:15:37] Speaker 1: someone who has never been a champion would think that
[2:15:41] Speaker 1: that's a conversation that would ever matter. Your research was
[2:15:44] Speaker 1: just missing one key perspective, a champion that understands what
[2:15:47] Speaker 1: it means and takes to do so. So it's just
[2:15:49] Speaker 1: a tad bit flawed. Now, I will point out you
[2:15:52] Speaker 1: are a big three champion. You are a battle mode
[2:15:55] Speaker 1: two on two champion.
[2:15:56] Speaker 2: That's how my motherfucking captain comes through. That's how my
[2:16:00] Speaker 2: fucking captain comes through. You know what? Something's wrong with y'all. Okay,
[2:16:04] Speaker 2: here you go, man. Uh-oh. Here you go. The problem
[2:16:07] Speaker 2: is I say research. You say personal.
[2:16:16] Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure the conversation between them when Clay didn't
[2:16:21] Speaker 4: make it And they're sitting there asking why and crying
[2:16:25] Speaker 4: and doing all this. Someone goes and does the research
[2:16:29] Speaker 4: for you. And then gives you the answer. And then
[2:16:35] Speaker 4: you attack the researcher. If you think there's something off
[2:16:45] Speaker 4: about what I'm saying, then you answer the question.
[2:16:49] Speaker 2: Why do you think Klay, at the moment of time
[2:16:54] Speaker 2: when they're voting.
[2:16:55] Speaker 4: Has two rings. I mean, he has three rings. He
[2:16:59] Speaker 4: has two All-NBAs, and he has five All-Stars. Why would
[2:17:03] Speaker 4: that man be left off the top 75.
[2:17:05] Speaker 2: For number 75, who has six All-NBAs and six All-Stars?
[2:17:13] Speaker 4: You would think the three championships would push him over
[2:17:17] Speaker 4: the top. So if you don't like my fucking research
[2:17:20] Speaker 4: and my answer, then you answer it. And please don't say,
[2:17:24] Speaker 4: I don't care. Come up with an educated answer.
[2:17:29] Speaker 2: 32 is Pippen. In front of Pippen is Allen Iverson.
[2:17:39] Speaker 2: So come up with an answer that you can help
[2:17:44] Speaker 2: the public. It has nothing to do with your feelings.
[2:17:48] Speaker 2: Because I seen the answer.
[2:17:50] Speaker 4: I seen when the Isaiah Thomas statement that Isaiah made
[2:17:55] Speaker 4: when he basically says something about KD where KD KD
[2:18:00] Speaker 4: basically saves all careers and made y'all Hall of Famers
[2:18:05] Speaker 4: but he gets disrespected and But he saved y'all. Like,
[2:18:08] Speaker 4: I seen it. I seen that interview. Which is neither
[2:18:12] Speaker 4: here nor there. I did the research. And all I'm
[2:18:15] Speaker 4: saying is, they, not me. Bitch, this is not my
[2:18:19] Speaker 4: personal opinion.
[2:18:20] Speaker 2: They, from the research, seems like they don't give two
[2:18:23] Speaker 2: shits about second option rings. They're not valuing Scottie Pippen's
[2:18:28] Speaker 2: 6-0 and Jordan's 6-0.
[2:18:33] Speaker 4: They're not putting Kobe's five rings next to Derek Fisher's
[2:18:37] Speaker 4: five rings.
[2:18:38] Speaker 2: They're not. Whatsoever. Right? That's not me saying this personally.
[2:18:47] Speaker 3: Right?
[2:18:47] Speaker 4: The people who are voting for you, they never won
[2:18:49] Speaker 4: a championship. And if I ask you right now and say,
[2:18:57] Speaker 4: what is harder to do when An MVP or win
[2:19:03] Speaker 4: a champion, championship?
[2:19:05] Speaker 2: What would you say? Probably harder to win a MVP. Go, disagree.
[2:19:14] Speaker 2: I say it's a championship. Okay.
[2:19:19] Speaker 4: Now, mathematically, percentage-wise, what is harder? Winning the MVP is
[2:19:25] Speaker 4: one person, right? It's you versus 449 other people.
[2:19:29] Speaker 2: 0.001 chance. Hold on, hold on. One. Yeah, yeah. Because
[2:19:33] Speaker 2: it's one versus the field. 450 people. Now, when it
[2:19:36] Speaker 2: comes to a championship, it's one team versus 29 other teams.
[2:19:52] Speaker 4: That's 17 players versus 433 other players. So your percentage
[2:19:59] Speaker 4: is actually higher winning a ring because it's a team
[2:20:02] Speaker 4: thing and there's 17 of you guys winning. There's only
[2:20:06] Speaker 4: in history, out of all of the NBA, there's only
[2:20:09] Speaker 4: been 36 MVPs. 36 in the game of basketball.
[2:20:16] Speaker 2: There's only actually been 36.
[2:20:18] Speaker 4: So when you think they're voting for your career and
[2:20:22] Speaker 4: who you are as a player, when you're talking about
[2:20:25] Speaker 4: your ranking, do you really believe that they're using rings
[2:20:31] Speaker 4: as the base or they're using your individual accolades? Because,
[2:20:37] Speaker 4: like I said, if.
[2:20:38] Speaker 2: I remove the rings, what I'm saying is if you
[2:20:41] Speaker 2: remove the rings and I say, all right. He's the
[2:20:44] Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. I get it. No, what I'm saying is.
[2:20:46] Speaker 3: But why is he not top 75?
[2:20:47] Speaker 2: Now, tell me this. I'm not asking that. I'm not
[2:20:50] Speaker 2: talking about Hall of Fame.
[2:20:51] Speaker 4: If I tell you who resume is better, six All-NBAs
[2:20:58] Speaker 4: and six All-Stars or two? Two All-NBAs and five All-Stars.
[2:21:04] Speaker 2: Which one now belongs in 75? So now you know why.
[2:21:13] Speaker 4: Dame was 75 and he was pushed out. His body
[2:21:18] Speaker 4: of work first is what we go off. The ring
[2:21:23] Speaker 4: just solves the tie. If there's a tie, you got
[2:21:27] Speaker 4: six all-stars, you got six all-stars, now I.
[2:21:30] Speaker 2: Go to the rings.
[2:21:31] Speaker 4: The rings don't supplement your individual greatness that you bring
[2:21:36] Speaker 4: to the game.
[2:21:37] Speaker 2: I do, too. So someone like... So when you think about...
[2:21:42] Speaker 2: When you think about here. Hold on.
[2:21:46] Speaker 4: So when you talk about Pippen, when you talk about Pippen,
[2:21:52] Speaker 4: and Allen Iverson is in front of him, Allen Iverson
[2:21:55] Speaker 4: has 11 All-Stars, four scoring titles, three-time Steel's champs, seven All-NBAs,
[2:22:01] Speaker 4: rookie of the year, two-time All-Star MVP, one-time All-NVP, right?
[2:22:06] Speaker 5: And what Clay do right after he didn't make it?
[2:22:09] Speaker 5: Did he win the championship again right after that? Don't
[2:22:12] Speaker 5: that shut all that shit off? That's what winning do.
[2:22:16] Speaker 5: That's the winning mentality.
[2:22:17] Speaker 4: It shuts it off, but did it change anything? Did
[2:22:19] Speaker 4: he move in front of him? That's what I'm saying.
[2:22:24] Speaker 2: You're saying it means something to the person who's doing it.
[2:22:27] Speaker 2: Here's really a thing, what some person said. They said,
[2:22:32] Speaker 2: when you can't do anything.
[2:22:33] Speaker 4: Individually, you use team accolades to justify it.
[2:22:39] Speaker 2: Damn. It was a selfish person that said that, right? Damn, that's... Brashad, Brashad, please.
[2:22:45] Speaker 2: That was my... That was a quote, not my opinion.
[2:22:48] Speaker 2: I'm just giving you my opinion. What is the bar?
[2:22:54] Speaker 2: When you can't do what?
[2:22:55] Speaker 4: When you can't do... When you don't succeed individually, you
[2:23:01] Speaker 4: use team stuff.
[2:23:03] Speaker 2: All right, so I have a question.
[2:23:04] Speaker 4: So if someone says, I got MVPs, you say, oh,
[2:23:08] Speaker 4: I got team wins.
[2:23:09] Speaker 2: I got a championship. Rashad, please jump in. Gil's taking
[2:23:14] Speaker 2: a pause. What do we play the game for? Man,
[2:23:17] Speaker 2: niggas is winners. I don't know what y'all are. What
[2:23:18] Speaker 2: do we play the game of basketball? Why do we
[2:23:21] Speaker 2: cry when we lose? A. Naismith. A. Naismith. Mr. A. Naismith.
[2:23:27] Speaker 2: He created this game called basketball. James A.
[2:23:29] Speaker 4: Smith?
[2:23:29] Speaker 2: I thought you were saying Aaron E. Smith. No, no, no.
[2:23:31] Speaker 2: James A. I just called him A.
[2:23:32] Speaker 3: Smith.
[2:23:32] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:23:34] Speaker 6: So I'm just, I'm like, all right, the game, the essence, man,
[2:23:38] Speaker 6: the thing we grew up so passionately to be around.
[2:23:42] Speaker 2: Was a team game.
[2:23:44] Speaker 6: I think the top 50 may have fucked it up
[2:23:47] Speaker 6: because they gave an indicator of where you should strive
[2:23:51] Speaker 6: to try to be the top 50 players of all time.
[2:23:54] Speaker 2: They all got jackets and shit.
[2:23:56] Speaker 6: Then you introduce Top 75 and then it just becomes
[2:23:59] Speaker 6: not about team at all.
[2:24:02] Speaker 2: Like we have sprouted seeds. Because they can't win.
[2:24:05] Speaker 6: We sprouted seeds in the youth to make it now.
[2:24:09] Speaker 6: Your resume is stronger than the team. And the team
[2:24:13] Speaker 6: is what's going to make your resume. No, no, it's opposite.
[2:24:16] Speaker 3: So why are Karl Malone and John Stockton and all
[2:24:18] Speaker 3: those guys?
[2:24:18] Speaker 2: See, they don't want to answer that. Why are they
[2:24:22] Speaker 2: in the top 50? Nobody cares about those lists. That's
[2:24:26] Speaker 2: not us.
[2:24:27] Speaker 6: Y'all making the list about basketball. It's not basketball. The
[2:24:34] Speaker 6: essence of basketball is not making the top 75.
[2:24:36] Speaker 2: Hold on. Winning championships. Winning. At the end of the game,
[2:24:43] Speaker 2: I got more points than you.
[2:24:45] Speaker 4: Let's remove our emotions and talk like experts.
[2:24:52] Speaker 12: So when we talk about experts, we all don't get
[2:24:55] Speaker 12: the same award when we win. It's only a certain person.
[2:24:58] Speaker 12: The only reward you get is the win. What are
[2:25:02] Speaker 12: you talking about?
[2:25:03] Speaker 8: I'm a part of something in this ring and I'm
[2:25:04] Speaker 8: over here still and I'm looking at.
[2:25:06] Speaker 2: You're a winner.
[2:25:07] Speaker 3: Is that not enough?
[2:25:08] Speaker 2: No. Y'all got to go play some other shit. If
[2:25:10] Speaker 2: you want to win, feel more appreciated. This is your personal.
[2:25:17] Speaker 6: Feelings win when we walk away as winners we're like
[2:25:21] Speaker 6: yo I was a NCAA champion I cut down the
[2:25:25] Speaker 6: net no one can ever take that away from me
[2:25:29] Speaker 6: I don't have to have made no money I didn't
[2:25:31] Speaker 6: have to make no record book appearance I didn't have
[2:25:33] Speaker 6: to score the most points man I remember that day
[2:25:37] Speaker 6: That day going.
[2:25:38] Speaker 2: To live forever. That's your personal feeling. Then when someone...
[2:25:42] Speaker 2: That's what Draymond does. We're not talking about... I'm talking
[2:25:46] Speaker 2: about reason. You're pretending like I'm coming up with this.
[2:25:50] Speaker 2: You're acting like I'm one of the 100 voters that
[2:25:53] Speaker 2: voted for the criteria. I just do the research that
[2:25:58] Speaker 2: shows you. I'm just... I did the research. When I
[2:26:03] Speaker 2: ask you a question. Well, it should be winners that's
[2:26:05] Speaker 2: doing the list. When I ask you the question. They
[2:26:07] Speaker 2: have to change the whole list and let winners do
[2:26:09] Speaker 2: the whole list. There's NBA players that actually vote. I
[2:26:12] Speaker 2: come up with something and I say, hey. So that
[2:26:15] Speaker 2: means all the voters should be winners. All the voters
[2:26:18] Speaker 2: should be winners.
[2:26:20] Speaker 13: You don't know what it feels like.
[2:26:23] Speaker 3: Okay.
[2:26:24] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, the
[2:26:28] Speaker 2: list will be different. Can you read? Can you go?
[2:26:30] Speaker 2: Can you read? Can you read so we can all win?
[2:26:34] Speaker 2: Winning championships matter, man. Winning matters. I didn't say it.
[2:26:38] Speaker 3: I didn't say it didn't.
[2:26:39] Speaker 2: It's what we play the game for. Why are we
[2:26:41] Speaker 2: talking about? No, no, no, no, no. I want everybody
[2:26:44] Speaker 2: to hold that thought. Why does it feel bad for Tyrese?
[2:26:48] Speaker 3: Hold on.
[2:26:48] Speaker 2: I want everybody... Game seven. Seven. I want you to... See, y'all... So,
[2:26:53] Speaker 2: top 75... No, no, no. So, listen. Uh-oh. So, when
[2:26:56] Speaker 2: we say Clay in his... There's three rings. His three
[2:27:01] Speaker 2: rings is Clay Thompson.
[2:27:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:27:03] Speaker 4: And he didn't make the top 75. Tell me who
[2:27:05] Speaker 4: the fuck the voters are.
[2:27:07] Speaker 1: So the NBA 75th anniversary team was selected by a
[2:27:10] Speaker 1: panel of 88 people, including current and former players, coaches,
[2:27:13] Speaker 1: general managers.
[2:27:13] Speaker 2: You said current and what? Current and former players. Current
[2:27:16] Speaker 2: and formal.
[2:27:16] Speaker 3: Okay.
[2:27:17] Speaker 1: Coaches, general managers, team and league executives, WNBA legends, sports writers,
[2:27:21] Speaker 1: and broadcasters. So some of this list included Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
[2:27:27] Speaker 1: Tim Duncan, Bill Russell, Julius Irving, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson,
[2:27:30] Speaker 1: and many more.
[2:27:32] Speaker 2: So those guys, hold on, those guys who are voting
[2:27:36] Speaker 2: as winners, as champions, as top five, somehow left a
[2:27:40] Speaker 2: guy who has three rings off and you're acting like
[2:27:42] Speaker 2: I'm doing something fucked up. I'm reading.
[2:27:48] Speaker 6: Clay Thompson is sitting back, and he's like, man, if
[2:27:52] Speaker 6: it's 75 or not, I got three chips and a.
[2:27:54] Speaker 2: Lot of money. Hold on. Listen to what y'all said.
[2:28:02] Speaker 2: Remove yourself.
[2:28:04] Speaker 4: The man with three rings, and we're saying they matter,
[2:28:07] Speaker 4: and then his peers. At the time, it was three. Three, two,
[2:28:12] Speaker 4: and five at the time. His voters are other champions, dog.
[2:28:19] Speaker 2: That's voting. They voted. Not me, nigga. They voted. Say
[2:28:25] Speaker 2: the name again so we can see who we can
[2:28:27] Speaker 2: blame for.
[2:28:27] Speaker 6: Is it possible that the voters didn't vote for who
[2:28:31] Speaker 6: they like because they don't like the nigga?
[2:28:33] Speaker 2: Okay, now you.
[2:28:34] Speaker 6: See the excuses. Now you see the exactly. So why
[2:28:38] Speaker 6: does he have to be in somebody's list?
[2:28:40] Speaker 2: He's a champion. I'm not giving you.
[2:28:44] Speaker 15: No, no.
[2:28:44] Speaker 3: Hold on.
[2:28:45] Speaker 2: Exactly. I'm not giving it to you. That's what we're doing.
[2:29:01] Speaker 6: We're going back in time, digging up bullshit information, bringing
[2:29:04] Speaker 6: it to 2025 like it's relevant now.
[2:29:07] Speaker 2: Man. That shit is old. The top 75 just got it. Wait, no, no, no, no.
[2:29:10] Speaker 3: What about it?
[2:29:11] Speaker 2: See, this is the problem with these two. What about it?
[2:29:13] Speaker 2: And now I'm offended. Champions are champions, bro. So where's
[2:29:17] Speaker 2: the top champions list? Why are we doing top? We
[2:29:20] Speaker 2: don't know. Because we don't care no more. We don't
[2:29:22] Speaker 2: care about who the top champions are. So wait. You
[2:29:26] Speaker 2: know why I'm offended? So you wouldn't want to be
[2:29:29] Speaker 2: a top 75 player ever? I'm a champion, bro. Somebody
[2:29:34] Speaker 2: got pushed out of that 75, didn't they? No. Russell
[2:29:38] Speaker 2: Westbrook and James Harden's in the top 75, dawg. Congratulations.
[2:29:43] Speaker 6: Is that better than being a champion? Is that better
[2:29:48] Speaker 6: than being a second option? Is it better than being
[2:29:52] Speaker 6: a second option on the championship team? Is it better
[2:29:54] Speaker 6: than being a champion? Is it better than being a
[2:29:57] Speaker 6: second or third option on the championship team? I'm just
[2:30:00] Speaker 6: better than being a champion. Being top 75 is better
[2:30:03] Speaker 6: than being a champion.
[2:30:04] Speaker 2: Wait, hold on.
[2:30:05] Speaker 3: BJ, BJ, BJ, BJ. No, no, no.
[2:30:06] Speaker 2: Because... I'm sick of these two niggas right here. Okay.
[2:30:12] Speaker 2: I'm sick of you talking about women.
[2:30:14] Speaker 4: No, wait.
[2:30:14] Speaker 3: Hold on.
[2:30:14] Speaker 2: Hold on, dog. Hold on, dog. I'm tired. I am tired.
[2:30:18] Speaker 2: Go to sleep, niggas. Go to sleep, man. I am tired.
[2:30:21] Speaker 2: I am tired of you. Sleep on it, nigga.
[2:30:23] Speaker 3: Sleep on it, nigga.
[2:30:24] Speaker 2: Go, nigga. I'm tired. I am tired of you. Sleep
[2:30:26] Speaker 2: on it, nigga.
[2:30:27] Speaker 13: I am tired of saying I'm looking at a media
[2:30:35] Speaker 13: personality and I'm telling him y'all.
[2:30:39] Speaker 4: Did this and I'm tired of these two niggas pretending
[2:30:42] Speaker 4: I'm saying it I'm telling him y'all are fucking up
[2:30:46] Speaker 4: and these niggas is coming at me like I did
[2:30:48] Speaker 4: something if I say y'all you y'all research It's saying this,
[2:30:55] Speaker 4: why the fuck these two niggas looking at me like
[2:30:58] Speaker 4: I'm the one who created this narrative? I ain't pointing
[2:31:01] Speaker 4: out y'all media, you, the person in front, you acting
[2:31:04] Speaker 4: like me.
[2:31:05] Speaker 2: I said y'all compared, you acting like I said. These
[2:31:10] Speaker 2: two niggas, this person is better than this person. Somehow
[2:31:14] Speaker 2: they keep reflecting.
[2:31:15] Speaker 4: This shit that I'm trying to prove a point to
[2:31:18] Speaker 4: the media who created the list. Y'all are telling these
[2:31:22] Speaker 4: players rings matter, but you're fucking them in the back end.
[2:31:26] Speaker 4: Y'all are doing this. And these two niggas right here.
[2:31:30] Speaker 4: It's sitting here pointing the gun at me like I'm
[2:31:32] Speaker 4: the one critic. Why is this loser talking about it?
[2:31:35] Speaker 2: I'm addressing the nigga that didn't win nothing, that didn't
[2:31:37] Speaker 2: play nothing, who created the goddamn list. I'm trying to
[2:31:42] Speaker 2: do the goddamn job of a player to address media,
[2:31:46] Speaker 2: and these two niggas right here is somehow pointing the
[2:31:48] Speaker 2: shit at me like I've done something wrong.
[2:31:52] Speaker 16: And it all started for this big-ass ilfa T-Mac trying
[2:31:55] Speaker 16: to win a championship. So if you didn't defend T-Mac ass,
[2:31:58] Speaker 16: people would be in this situation. T-Mac, if I was
[2:32:03] Speaker 16: in Shaq's shoes, with Shaq, I would have won.
[2:32:05] Speaker 2: That's why this shit all.
[2:32:06] Speaker 3: Happened, right?
[2:32:06] Speaker 2: Right? That was actually a remnant of that first take. Right.
[2:32:12] Speaker 2: Because we said. What did I say? What did I say?
[2:32:14] Speaker 2: What did I say? Tell me what I said. Tell
[2:32:17] Speaker 2: me what I said. What's going on? Did I say
[2:32:35] Speaker 2: y'all compared Kobe three rings to T-Mac zero?
[2:32:41] Speaker 4: Y'all, meaning the nigga I'm talking to, right? Did I
[2:32:46] Speaker 4: say T-Mac was better than Kobe? I said y'all compared them.
[2:32:50] Speaker 4: So how can rings matter if one has three, one
[2:32:53] Speaker 4: has zero, and you're putting them on the same level?
[2:32:56] Speaker 4: I'm asking someone a question who has the vote. And
[2:33:00] Speaker 4: you niggas is acting like I did.
[2:33:01] Speaker 2: What'd I do? I'm asking a person who has a vote.
[2:33:04] Speaker 2: Black men. Did you say that rings didn't matter? I'm
[2:33:08] Speaker 2: talking to the man. I'm talking to the man who's
[2:33:11] Speaker 2: saying rings matter. Did you say... Hey! Okay.
[2:33:14] Speaker 4: Hey!
[2:33:15] Speaker 2: Okay! Hold on. You see how that do that? Okay,
[2:33:19] Speaker 2: he's not gonna answer. Hold on. No, no, I'm gonna
[2:33:22] Speaker 2: answer it.
[2:33:24] Speaker 3: How.
[2:33:25] Speaker 2: Hey! How can rings matter... I'm talking to a whole
[2:33:32] Speaker 2: nother human being, sir. This is not a statement. I'm
[2:33:34] Speaker 2: talking to a human being.
[2:33:37] Speaker 4: Hey, how can you say rings matter if y'all, meaning
[2:33:43] Speaker 4: that's a person, had three rings and you compared it here?
[2:33:47] Speaker 4: So rings can't matter if that's what you did. See,
[2:33:50] Speaker 4: that's a statement to someone who did that then.
[2:33:53] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:33:54] Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about, like, I'm talking to a human
[2:33:57] Speaker 4: when I did this.
[2:33:58] Speaker 2: This is not me coming out and saying rings don't matter.
[2:34:00] Speaker 4: It's a statement of someone who voted, who wrote articles
[2:34:05] Speaker 4: back then. So you're saying rings matter now, but here's
[2:34:10] Speaker 4: your history of it. And you guys are somehow confusing
[2:34:18] Speaker 4: the conversation I'm having with someone as if I'm creating
[2:34:23] Speaker 4: this narrative.
[2:34:25] Speaker 2: I did not come up with the list.
[2:34:27] Speaker 4: I'm just fucking smart enough and got the time on
[2:34:29] Speaker 4: my hand to depict the list and then ask the question.
[2:34:32] Speaker 2: Does rings matter though? They do matter. Ask the voters.
[2:34:36] Speaker 2: Are we asking you right now on the hot seat?
[2:34:39] Speaker 3: Me?
[2:34:39] Speaker 2: To me? Yes, rings matter. I'm a basketball player. That's
[2:34:42] Speaker 2: what I trained my life for. What's so hard about that?
[2:34:45] Speaker 2: Because Fucking opinion. We actually your opinion. Don't ask me
[2:34:48] Speaker 2: why I'm not why are you? What's your opinion nobody
[2:34:53] Speaker 2: asked my Don't tell us what the media thinks tell
[2:34:55] Speaker 2: us what you think is the media we want to
[2:34:57] Speaker 2: know what you're doing Yes, what was you ranked in
[2:35:15] Speaker 2: high school number one This is them. No, you wasn't. No. No,
[2:35:38] Speaker 2: you wasn't. I don't want to believe you. I don't
[2:35:41] Speaker 2: need to believe you. I don't need to believe you
[2:35:43] Speaker 2: was number one. Then you're going to do what? Show
[2:35:45] Speaker 2: them the ESPN. Oh, look at him showing the ESPN.
[2:35:47] Speaker 2: What does that matter? Was you the best player? Did
[2:35:49] Speaker 2: you play against number two? Did you play against number three?
[2:35:51] Speaker 2: Did you play against number four? So how can you
[2:35:53] Speaker 2: say you the best? Why do I need to believe
[2:35:57] Speaker 2: somebody's writing? Does he play? Did he see everybody who played?
[2:36:00] Speaker 2: We move goal players. Did you win a championship? Did
[2:36:04] Speaker 2: you win a championship? I don't like that. I don't
[2:36:06] Speaker 2: talk like that. You didn't win a championship? See, how
[2:36:09] Speaker 2: can you be number one and you ain't even win
[2:36:10] Speaker 2: a championship? Because it's all about championships. It's all about championships.
[2:36:15] Speaker 2: So that's what they do. This is exactly what they do.
[2:36:18] Speaker 2: I have no idea. I have no idea. I have
[2:36:20] Speaker 2: no idea about your fact. He be trolling niggas so bad.
[2:36:23] Speaker 2: He be trolling. I have no idea about your facts.
[2:36:31] Speaker 2: But I disagree. I'm disagreeing with your facts. Nah, don't troll.
[2:36:36] Speaker 2: Don't say troll.
[2:36:38] Speaker 6: Don't say troll when the information is right.
[2:36:42] Speaker 2: Put yourself in the hot seat, man. So you have
[2:36:45] Speaker 2: real facts. I'm saying no, they're not.
[2:36:49] Speaker 4: I don't believe it. That's what they do. It has
[2:36:51] Speaker 4: nothing to do with no statement. I'm asking you a question.
[2:36:55] Speaker 4: You give me a professional answer. They turn it into
[2:36:59] Speaker 4: personal and say they don't believe it.
[2:37:01] Speaker 2: Then do a whole bunch of bullshit. I was saying
[2:37:03] Speaker 2: we don't believe it personal. Because it's a fact. How
[2:37:06] Speaker 2: is us saying we don't believe it? How is we
[2:37:10] Speaker 2: don't believe it? Show me the evidence. So we don't
[2:37:14] Speaker 2: respect the list, right?
[2:37:17] Speaker 8: Where can we find the list to where we can
[2:37:18] Speaker 8: all come together and be like, yo, this is the list.
[2:37:20] Speaker 2: There ain't no list. It's my list, your list, his list.
[2:37:23] Speaker 8: Everybody got a list. Okay, so opinion and personal. So
[2:37:26] Speaker 8: that's all that matters then in this.
[2:37:28] Speaker 2: When you don't like a list, it's personal. Right?
[2:37:30] Speaker 8: Because we need something to go off of.
[2:37:33] Speaker 2: No, we don't. See, that's why that's not information. All
[2:37:38] Speaker 2: we need is to understand when it matters, man. Champions.
[2:37:41] Speaker 2: There was. The list before 50 was 11, 25, 35, 50, 75.
[2:37:45] Speaker 2: Trust me, I know. I did the research through all
[2:37:50] Speaker 2: of it. Oh, we don't. Because I wanted to see,
[2:37:53] Speaker 2: when did rings matter? How fast did they put Jordan
[2:37:57] Speaker 2: into it? So I went through. So the top, the top,
[2:38:01] Speaker 2: the top 11.
[2:38:02] Speaker 6: Then we talk about ring culture when it started. When
[2:38:04] Speaker 6: we say ring culture started. When did we say?
[2:38:07] Speaker 2: Because. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[2:38:09] Speaker 8: That means Rob Corey got to be in the top
[2:38:11] Speaker 8: 75 then.
[2:38:12] Speaker 2: When did ring culture start? Because I can tell you.
[2:38:17] Speaker 2: Why didn't you tell the world? I tell them. When
[2:38:20] Speaker 2: did it start? I did tell the world. When did
[2:38:22] Speaker 2: it start? Tell us right now. I did tell y'all.
[2:38:24] Speaker 2: When did it start? You, nigga, you keep trying to
[2:38:27] Speaker 2: come at me like I got a call from you.
[2:38:29] Speaker 2: When did it start? How do I talk? Oh, my God.
[2:38:31] Speaker 2: When did it start? It never started. Okay, there we go.
[2:38:35] Speaker 2: How can you say ring culture started and then in 93,
[2:38:39] Speaker 2: Jordan has two rings and he's the number one person
[2:38:43] Speaker 2: and there's five rings, six rings, 11 rings, three rings
[2:38:48] Speaker 2: in front of him. How can, no, I don't know
[2:38:51] Speaker 2: what that is. That's 98. See, this is ignorant stuff.
[2:38:58] Speaker 2: That's why. Wait, wait, wait. We're supposed to be. He
[2:39:02] Speaker 2: was the number. He was the number. What did that mean?
[2:39:06] Speaker 2: To the world.
[2:39:07] Speaker 3: No, he said.
[2:39:07] Speaker 2: Well, in L.A., that means something different, Sean. I'm just
[2:39:09] Speaker 2: telling you.
[2:39:10] Speaker 3: L.A.
[2:39:10] Speaker 2: Just means something different. No, the question was when did
[2:39:13] Speaker 2: rings culture start? That means something different. What did that mean?
[2:39:16] Speaker 3: No.
[2:39:16] Speaker 2: What did it mean? That's wrong. What did it mean?
[2:39:18] Speaker 4: He became the top. That list we're talking about, the
[2:39:23] Speaker 4: top 50 list, the top 25 list.
[2:39:26] Speaker 2: When Jordan became the number one player ever, it was
[2:39:30] Speaker 2: 1993 when they did it.
[2:39:33] Speaker 4: He jumped Magic Johnson. He had two rings going for
[2:39:38] Speaker 4: his third ring. He did not have six rings. He
[2:39:41] Speaker 4: only had three at the time. So how can you
[2:39:44] Speaker 4: say rings matter if he jumps a guy with five,
[2:39:47] Speaker 4: he jumps a guy with six, he jumps a guy
[2:39:50] Speaker 4: with 11? So I'm saying how can rings matter if
[2:39:55] Speaker 4: this guy who had only two be number one all time?
[2:40:00] Speaker 2: Your problem is with the media, not with us. Because
[2:40:03] Speaker 2: that's who votes. So you having all this animosity towards us. No, no, no.
[2:40:06] Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[2:40:07] Speaker 2: See, you figured it out. I have this animosity towards
[2:40:11] Speaker 2: the media. You come at me like I'm saying it
[2:40:16] Speaker 2: to you. Come at you? What the fuck are you
[2:40:18] Speaker 2: talking about? This is Gilson. We're all supposed to be brothers.
[2:40:21] Speaker 2: How about this?
[2:40:23] Speaker 4: This nigga been coming at me with Kobe like I've
[2:40:26] Speaker 4: done something. I've always said the same thing. They have
[2:40:30] Speaker 4: Kobe at this. They do this. He pretends I'm saying it.
[2:40:34] Speaker 4: So the point is, I don't even know what our
[2:40:36] Speaker 4: argument is.
[2:40:37] Speaker 2: I don't even know if we're arguing about where Kobe
[2:40:39] Speaker 2: is or who's the biggest Kobe fan at this point. No,
[2:40:43] Speaker 2: I'm serious.
[2:40:43] Speaker 4: I don't even know what the fuck our argument is
[2:40:45] Speaker 4: because every time I say it, I say they.
[2:40:49] Speaker 2: Zim! Zim and Zay! I've never said I.
[2:40:54] Speaker 4: Every time I try to challenge a nigga, y'all, boom,
[2:40:56] Speaker 4: here we come.
[2:40:57] Speaker 2: It feel like you defend him, that's why. By saying Zay?
[2:41:01] Speaker 2: Tell him, Nick. Why you being soft with him? Why
[2:41:04] Speaker 2: you being soft with him, man? Tell him. When I
[2:41:06] Speaker 2: say what? No, no, no, no, no. You gotta talk
[2:41:09] Speaker 2: to him sometimes. Tell him, bro.
[2:41:10] Speaker 4: What part of defending when I say, how can rings
[2:41:13] Speaker 4: matter when y'all... when y'all... Compare these two.
[2:41:20] Speaker 2: One had three rings, one had zero.
[2:41:22] Speaker 4: You compared them to the point where Kobe decided he
[2:41:26] Speaker 4: needed to get rid of Shaq so he can win
[2:41:30] Speaker 4: on his own and get these accolades. The person who's
[2:41:34] Speaker 4: in front of me says, you're right, I concede. He's
[2:41:38] Speaker 4: right and he conceded because it was a real thing.
[2:41:42] Speaker 4: This is not something I made up. There's a reason
[2:41:46] Speaker 4: big media has never challenged me on a take because
[2:41:50] Speaker 4: what I'm speaking to them is.
[2:41:53] Speaker 2: A real thing. How they ruined the game. How they
[2:41:58] Speaker 2: ruined the game. Think about what I'm saying. How would
[2:42:01] Speaker 2: they ruin the game? And that's what I'm attacking. Why
[2:42:05] Speaker 2: do you have to believe everything they say?
[2:42:10] Speaker 8: So the media in high school and everything for the McDonald's,
[2:42:14] Speaker 8: that didn't matter?
[2:42:15] Speaker 2: What?
[2:42:16] Speaker 8: The media in high school, the media for NCAA when
[2:42:19] Speaker 8: they doing a rankings, none of that matter?
[2:42:21] Speaker 3: Y'all don't look at that?
[2:42:22] Speaker 2: And when you say your name wasn't where you thought
[2:42:24] Speaker 2: you should be. You get mad, right? What could you
[2:42:26] Speaker 2: do about it? What could you do about it? What
[2:42:30] Speaker 2: could you do about it? Nothing. What does that list do?
[2:42:32] Speaker 2: What do you do about that? What do you do
[2:42:34] Speaker 2: about it? That is wrong. If you don't, but if
[2:42:36] Speaker 2: you stay where you at, even if you go try
[2:42:38] Speaker 2: to prove some shit and they still keep you there,
[2:42:40] Speaker 2: what can you do about it? Nothing. Nothing. And then,
[2:42:44] Speaker 2: even if you win, they don't change.
[2:42:49] Speaker 4: Then why attack the person who's pointing out the list?
[2:42:53] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So why are we just believing it?
[2:42:57] Speaker 2: We are the media now, so our list is like
[2:42:59] Speaker 2: the media now.
[2:43:00] Speaker 4: You only believe the list when it favors something you like.
[2:43:04] Speaker 2: When you see them got Kobe at... Not in the
[2:43:07] Speaker 2: top 10 sometimes, man. We all be talking about the
[2:43:09] Speaker 2: top 10. Every single player. And you just say, oh,
[2:43:15] Speaker 2: they got it. That's what they say.
[2:43:17] Speaker 4: Every single player who played in 2001 has Kobe where?
[2:43:21] Speaker 3: Two. Right?
[2:43:23] Speaker 2: Top three. No matter. One, two, three. Nobody cares at
[2:43:29] Speaker 2: this point.
[2:43:30] Speaker 4: As long as you have Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron in
[2:43:34] Speaker 4: your top three, niggas will have.
[2:43:35] Speaker 2: A conversation with you because they respect the game itself.
[2:43:38] Speaker 2: There's no accolades.
[2:43:39] Speaker 5: It's our eye test.
[2:43:41] Speaker 4: But now there's a list that they get paid to do,
[2:43:45] Speaker 4: and it comes out just like anything.
[2:43:46] Speaker 2: When they vote for MVP, when they vote for All-NBA,
[2:43:50] Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure people start to ask, yo, wait, why?
[2:43:54] Speaker 4: Why are you doing this? Why is he 10? You
[2:43:57] Speaker 4: start calling. So you start asking the questions. That's what
[2:44:01] Speaker 4: I did.
[2:44:01] Speaker 2: Spent months asking the questions.
[2:44:04] Speaker 4: Of this list y'all voted on. These are you guys' voters.
[2:44:07] Speaker 4: What is criteria one? What is criteria two? And I
[2:44:12] Speaker 4: did that when I tell you what they told me.
[2:44:15] Speaker 4: You niggas are shooting me. It's like, hey, man, they
[2:44:17] Speaker 4: shooting outside.
[2:44:18] Speaker 2: Oh, fuck you, stupid ass. Go out there and get shot.
[2:44:20] Speaker 2: Then you mad at me. Why you didn't tell me?
[2:44:22] Speaker 2: You wasn't listening. I'm telling you how they're doing it.
[2:44:26] Speaker 2: I didn't know we was having this effect. I just
[2:44:30] Speaker 2: want us to get a list. You want to get smarter?
[2:44:32] Speaker 2: Stay stupid.
[2:44:33] Speaker 1: Like Rodney King once said, can we all just get along?
[2:44:37] Speaker 2: Niggas shooting outside. They shooting outside. Now you walk out there.
[2:44:40] Speaker 2: So Kobe is 16. That's what you just did. Why
[2:44:42] Speaker 2: is Kobe this? You told me why. So that's why
[2:44:44] Speaker 2: you rolling with him? That's why you rolling with him.
[2:44:47] Speaker 2: Rolling with who?
[2:44:48] Speaker 4: They explained to you why he's 16.
[2:44:58] Speaker 3: Because of the criteria.
[2:45:00] Speaker 2: So you believe that? You still believe that? He's too
[2:45:05] Speaker 2: on mine. It's not my personal. I don't have a vote, dog. Damn.
[2:45:09] Speaker 2: But I do not remember. I don't have a vote.
[2:45:11] Speaker 2: You don't have a vote. So our opinions don't matter
[2:45:14] Speaker 2: on that. I got fucking Petey. I got Petey number
[2:45:18] Speaker 2: two as my favorite. When they do it, when they
[2:45:23] Speaker 2: do it, you ask the questions and no information. If
[2:45:26] Speaker 2: your ass got an F on the test and you thought.
[2:45:28] Speaker 4: You got an A, nigga, and you ask for the,
[2:45:31] Speaker 4: how do I do it?
[2:45:32] Speaker 2: And you do it, you get better at it. Thank
[2:45:34] Speaker 2: you to everybody on this couch. Thank you to everybody
[2:45:37] Speaker 2: on this couch. Everybody watching this show. This has been
[2:45:39] Speaker 2: another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog World. We'll
[2:45:41] Speaker 2: see y'all next week.
[2:50:51] Speaker 3: Thank you.

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