# Gil's Arena Reacts To The Thunder's Run To The NBA Finals

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 29 May 2025, 2 h 33 min.

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Gil's Arena Reacts To The Oklahoma City Thunder's Run To The NBA Finals as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to the OKC Thunder closing out the Western Conference Finals with a gentleman's sweep over the Minnesota Timberwolves to advance to the NBA Finals. They break down what impressed them the most about the young thunder's run through the NBA Playoffs and discuss if this win sets them up to be a potential dynasty. They also give a post-mortum on the Minnesota Timberwolves after Anthony Edwards & the team fell short once again and break down what they need to see from Ant-Man this summer to get himself to the next level. Next, they preview Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals between the New York Knicks & Indiana Pacers and debate how much pressure is on Coach Thibs, Jalen Brunson and Karl Anthony Towns to keep their season alive. They also highlight another masterpiece of a season for Rick Carlise and discuss if Tyrese Haliburton has any tricks left up his sleeve as he tries to send New York Knicks fans to Cancun. Next, Gilbert Arenas reacts to LeBron James breaking down his unstoppable game on the Mind The Game Podcast and gives his take on Austin Reaves looking for a $30,000,000 contract from the Los Angeles Lakers this offseason. Finally, Claressa Shields joins Gil's Arena to preview her fight against Lani Daniels on July 26th. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin, Brandon Jennings, Nick Young & Claressa Shields Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/jkz7rlm8 #CashAppPod *Referral Reward Disclaimer: As a Cash App partner, we may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.com/invite/underdog 0:00:00 - 2 Min Countdown 0:01:59 - Show Start 0:09:21 - Happy Birthday Swaggy P 0:12:17 - Why Are NBA Awards Named After Legends? 0:24:21 - Gil Sets The Record Straight on His Terrible Take 0:28:02 - How The Thunder Finally Got Back To The Finals 0:40:29 - Is OKC A Dynasty In The Making? 0:49:59 - The Timberwolves Were Already In Cancun 0:58:02 - OKC's Elite Defense Is Their Secret Weapon 1:07:56 - How Anthony Edwards Can Take The Next Step 1:25:56 - Shai Is Finally Marketing Himself 1:33:30 - Julius Randle Is DONE In Minnesota 1:38:36 - Coach Thibs Is Coaching For His Job 1:50:22 - Hali's Chance To Send The Garden Packing 1:53:28 - Claressa Shields Enters Gil's Arena 2:32:37 - Swaggy P's Birthday Surprise Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gills Arena presented by Underdog. We're having
[0:06] Speaker 1: a little pre-show chat about DJ Quick.
[0:09] Speaker 2: At Christian Camp.
[0:10] Speaker 3: Not DJ Quick by himself.
[0:14] Speaker 2: It's at Christian Camp. This heathen here. Nothing wrong with
[0:18] Speaker 2: celebrating DJ Quick. God knows DJ Quick got some bangers.
[0:20] Speaker 2: At Christian Camp. God knows DJ Quick is that.
[0:25] Speaker 4: Horrible.
[0:26] Speaker 5: That's how fucked up we are as kids, right? So
[0:32] Speaker 5: they had the girls on one side of the camp,
[0:34] Speaker 5: we on the other side, right? Listen, bring some all
[0:36] Speaker 5: black dudes. Like we all wearing all black, so we
[0:38] Speaker 5: sneaking out the cabin at night.
[0:40] Speaker 2: You don't be seen, ain't nothing like that. Running across
[0:43] Speaker 2: to the girls' cabin. Listen, bro, calculated. All black. All black,
[0:48] Speaker 2: like can't see a moving target, right? We so stupid.
[0:51] Speaker 2: Gotta be discreet.
[0:53] Speaker 5: Then we get up the next morning for breakfast and
[0:55] Speaker 5: they didn't, yeah, I don't know what cabin it was,
[0:57] Speaker 5: but we saw some bodies moving around last night at,
[1:01] Speaker 5: After counting it.
[1:03] Speaker 2: But this is Gil's Arena presented by underdog Whoop Whoop.
[1:06] Speaker 2: Whoop Whoop. Hold on, I'm going to do it one
[1:08] Speaker 2: more time. I like that Whoop Whoop Thursday.
[1:10] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:11] Speaker 2: It's a special day here in the arena. This is
[1:12] Speaker 2: Gil's Arena presented by underdog Whoop Whoop.
[1:14] Speaker 4: Whoop Whoop.
[1:15] Speaker 1: As always, we've got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us.
[1:17] Speaker 2: Whoop Whoop.
[1:20] Speaker 1: Bringing his championship experience to the couch, we've got NBA
[1:22] Speaker 1: champion of the world, Swaggy P, Nick Young in the arena.
[1:25] Speaker 6: Whoop Whoop.
[1:28] Speaker 1: And on this side, seated next to me, we have
[1:29] Speaker 1: the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick,
[1:32] Speaker 1: Kenyon Martin, is back.
[1:34] Speaker 2: Here with us. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, Trey Debo.
[1:39] Speaker 4: Trey Debo.
[1:40] Speaker 1: And representing Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd University, we have Mr. B.
[1:43] Speaker 1: Brandon Jennings back here with us.
[1:49] Speaker 4: It might get hostile here today, ladies and gentlemen.
[1:52] Speaker 2: It might.
[1:53] Speaker 1: But for all the fans out there, we still got
[1:55] Speaker 1: two viewing options for our traditional version, mobile vertical version.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure
[1:59] Speaker 1: you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today.
[2:02] Speaker 1: The Thunder advanced to the finals for the first time
[2:05] Speaker 1: since 2012. What message did OKC send to all the
[2:08] Speaker 1: people who said they had a 0% chance of winning
[2:11] Speaker 1: the chip?
[2:12] Speaker 2: We will discuss.
[2:14] Speaker 1: The Wolves were eliminated in the Western Conference Final for
[2:16] Speaker 1: the second straight season. What do Ant-Man and his squad
[2:19] Speaker 1: need to take the next step? And the Eastern Conference
[2:22] Speaker 1: Finals shifts back to the Garden with Indiana holding a
[2:24] Speaker 1: 3-1 lead over New York. Will it be Pacers in five,
[2:28] Speaker 1: or can the Knicks keep their season alive? But before
[2:30] Speaker 1: we get into all that, as always, the show is
[2:31] Speaker 1: brought to you by Underdog. Go ahead and download the app,
[2:33] Speaker 1: use promo code GILL, get up to $ 1, 000 in bonus cash,
[2:36] Speaker 1: plus a special pick-em. It is the Eastern Conference Finals,
[2:39] Speaker 1: game five tonight. So you know, GILL has some picks
[2:41] Speaker 1: up in his partner pack on the Underdog app. Let
[2:43] Speaker 1: us take a look, if we can, please. OGN and
[2:46] Speaker 1: OB hired, 2.5 blocks and steals. Deuce McBride, lower, 2.5
[2:51] Speaker 1: first quarter points. Uh-oh, okay, you threw some WNBA in there.
[2:54] Speaker 4: I see you.
[2:54] Speaker 2: We knew you was a fan.
[2:55] Speaker 4: Yeah, I just wanted to look.
[2:56] Speaker 1: Paige Becker's higher, 19.5 points in rebounds. Also got Angel Reese,
[3:01] Speaker 1: fastest player in WNBA history to 500 points, 500 rebounds. Higher,
[3:03] Speaker 1: 11.5 rebounds in their game.
[3:05] Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay, I wanted another I wanted another one that's
[3:11] Speaker 4: been trending buddy That was under dog was smart.
[3:16] Speaker 2: That's funny Not gonna lie It is hilarious.
[3:23] Speaker 4: Yes, and it is probably a lot of promotion that
[3:28] Speaker 4: they're getting even though it's kind of like a negative
[3:32] Speaker 4: but it is promotion and That is part of all
[3:37] Speaker 4: of that's going on. Sometimes you got to be laughed
[3:39] Speaker 4: at for people to actually watch.
[3:41] Speaker 2: Would you care to share it with the audience?
[3:46] Speaker 4: Yeah. No?
[3:46] Speaker 2: I guess... Don't hold back, motherfucker.
[3:50] Speaker 4: You don't have to hold back. They're placing bets and
[3:54] Speaker 4: higher or lower on Angel Reese missing her first attempt.
[3:58] Speaker 2: I think it's like six... I don't know how many
[4:01] Speaker 2: games straight it is, but.
[4:03] Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
[4:04] Speaker 2: I'm working it.
[4:04] Speaker 4: It's fucked up. It's fucked up. But it's funny because. Yeah.
[4:10] Speaker 2: Her leg impact is crazy.
[4:11] Speaker 4: People sit on the end of the couch. They're like,
[4:13] Speaker 4: wait a minute. Here it goes. Here it goes. Yeah.
[4:16] Speaker 2: Like, oh, that's fucked up.
[4:17] Speaker 4: So was the one other day, was it a shot
[4:19] Speaker 4: or two? That's crazy. Yeah.
[4:21] Speaker 2: What day it was? Because she lost. That's crazy, bro.
[4:25] Speaker 2: How's everybody else?
[4:27] Speaker 4: That's a good bet. No, it's funny. It's funny, but
[4:30] Speaker 4: it's like, damn. Higher or lower.
[4:32] Speaker 2: We do higher or lower.
[4:33] Speaker 4: I'm telling people are betting, and then people are taking
[4:35] Speaker 4: the higher or lower on the fantasy side. Higher or lower.
[4:38] Speaker 4: It's funny. No, it is.
[4:40] Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm her, I'm.
[4:41] Speaker 4: Hot than a motherfucker out there. Like, why me?
[4:45] Speaker 7: Watch, the next time she plays, she's going to make
[4:47] Speaker 7: sure she makes it.
[4:48] Speaker 4: Watch. There's been six games, though. I'm just playing.
[4:51] Speaker 1: Who would be the NBA guy that you would take
[4:54] Speaker 1: that same lower on?
[4:56] Speaker 2: It would have been Rudy, but he gets dunked.
[4:58] Speaker 4: Definitely. I know, but he gets dunked, so it's kind
[5:00] Speaker 4: of like, ah.
[5:02] Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still taking that bet. I'm definitely taking that
[5:06] Speaker 5: bet on him.
[5:07] Speaker 4: Rudy, one for one yesterday. I know, that's what I said.
[5:10] Speaker 4: He gets a dunk, so it's kind of like.
[5:13] Speaker 2: What about now?
[5:14] Speaker 3: Who's in Indiana and New York?
[5:20] Speaker 4: To miss?
[5:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:21] Speaker 4: First shot tonight? Diabolical. Mitch Robinson. or gritties.
[5:30] Speaker 2: Nah. Oh, and speaking of Knicks, fuck Josh Hart, too,
[5:35] Speaker 2: by the way.
[5:35] Speaker 4: Damn.
[5:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:37] Speaker 4: Let it be known. I feel you. I feel you
[5:39] Speaker 4: on that one. I feel you. That one's good. Oh,
[5:41] Speaker 4: hold on. He wasn't here the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[5:44] Speaker 2: So, my picks the other day, right?
[5:47] Speaker 4: Oh. Yes.
[5:49] Speaker 2: Fuck Josh Hart.
[5:50] Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah. He's 24 and a half. You get a
[5:53] Speaker 4: legit one. Points, rebounds, and assists.
[5:55] Speaker 2: And fouled out. With 24. I've seen that.
[5:58] Speaker 4: Motherfucker needed one point, one rebound, or one assist. And
[6:03] Speaker 4: this motherfucker fouled out.
[6:06] Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson also betrayed me.
[6:07] Speaker 3: Can you imagine if you seen Josh Howard after that?
[6:11] Speaker 3: Like just right after that game and he didn't get
[6:13] Speaker 3: Kenyan number. I was like, you're going to cut the
[6:20] Speaker 3: leg out?
[6:20] Speaker 4: Like, for real? Like, come on, man.
[6:22] Speaker 2: We was all rooting for you, John.
[6:25] Speaker 4: One of anything. Is that happy to be sitting in line? Like,
[6:28] Speaker 4: one of anything. Yeah. Like, it ain't like I ain't.
[6:30] Speaker 4: It was, like, way off. Yeah, yeah. Where I can
[6:32] Speaker 4: be like, all right, I get it. With time left.
[6:34] Speaker 4: With time left. And he didn't start.
[6:37] Speaker 2: But I'm doing great.
[6:38] Speaker 4: Like, he didn't.
[6:39] Speaker 2: Like, just imagine seeing him. I haven't had it at halftime. Yeah, yeah.
[6:43] Speaker 2: You're saying it. Like, it's. People's question how do you
[6:47] Speaker 2: like that? I'm like, you.
[6:49] Speaker 4: Know, he go Four five minutes left and you found
[6:53] Speaker 4: out are you doing this shit on purpose?
[6:56] Speaker 1: Yes So good we asked to chat if they're riding
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[7:12] Speaker 1: plus a special pick them And if you can't watch
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[7:15] Speaker 1: versions on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. But
[7:18] Speaker 1: before we get started with the show, we got to
[7:20] Speaker 1: acknowledge a Gills Arena cast member whose birthday is coming up.
[7:24] Speaker 2: Oh, so soon.
[7:25] Speaker 1: Swaggy P's birthday is this Sunday. But we're starting the
[7:29] Speaker 1: celebration early, Swaggy. Starting the celebration early.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
[7:34] Speaker 4: He might need two napkins. He might need two.
[7:35] Speaker 1: Oh, look at that. Our professional staff, always courteous, always
[7:40] Speaker 1: quick with it. So you asked, Swaggy, you asked our
[7:43] Speaker 1: staff for a championship-sized birthday card and steak.
[7:46] Speaker 4: Y'all do y'all little show. Y'all do y'all little show.
[7:48] Speaker 2: They got some rosemary sprigs on there?
[7:51] Speaker 4: Oh, man.
[7:52] Speaker 2: Asking you shall receive, my friend.
[7:54] Speaker 1: So we got you a swaggy-sized giant birthday card and
[7:56] Speaker 1: swaggy steak.
[7:58] Speaker 2: Good joy throughout the day. I'm no wifey, don't cook.
[8:00] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm just saying, we know.
[8:02] Speaker 4: You see how far you go? It's my birthday. You
[8:04] Speaker 4: can't crack those. I'm just saying, you can't crack those.
[8:08] Speaker 2: Well done as you requested. Your ketchup is on the way.
[8:11] Speaker 4: Just like your mama did it, huh?
[8:17] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[8:18] Speaker 2: Not today.
[8:19] Speaker 4: I'm about to be 40. I'm not little no more.
[8:22] Speaker 4: Enjoy your meal, man. Swaggy, do you feel loved and appreciated?
[8:29] Speaker 4: It depends. If Kenyon would have served me this, then yeah.
[8:36] Speaker 4: So ketchup for your steaks, right? Let Kenyon pass the ketchup.
[8:41] Speaker 4: Then I feel appreciated. Who does ketchup on steak? I
[8:44] Speaker 4: don't want to see him do it. That's why I
[8:45] Speaker 4: said ketchup is on the way.
[8:46] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[8:47] Speaker 4: I don't got high blood pressure.
[8:50] Speaker 2: Do we have sea salt?
[8:51] Speaker 4: This is around the Caucasian-ist side. Do we have MLA
[8:54] Speaker 4: and sea salt? Yeah, they ain't want us. Hennessy for everybody.
[8:59] Speaker 2: Do we have A1s?
[9:01] Speaker 1: Hennessy for everybody. Hennessy for everybody in the arena to
[9:04] Speaker 1: celebrate Waggy P's impending birthday.
[9:07] Speaker 2: We appreciate you.
[9:08] Speaker 4: Get your shit off Swag.
[9:10] Speaker 2: Take a shot of Hennessy. Scott Cheetos. I have one. Oh, okay.
[9:14] Speaker 2: You're not drinking no Hennessy? Motherfucker, I got to feel love.
[9:20] Speaker 4: Come on. He's allowing you to eat that. You don't
[9:25] Speaker 4: give me a piece of that steak?
[9:27] Speaker 2: They do look mighty delicious.
[9:29] Speaker 4: Eat all that steak over there. Give me a piece
[9:32] Speaker 4: of that steak.
[9:34] Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Enjoy your steak. Enjoy your birthday card.
[9:38] Speaker 1: That's all we got for you.
[9:39] Speaker 2: You can just take this back. Sound out the big words.
[9:45] Speaker 2: We all wrote.
[9:46] Speaker 4: Sound them out.
[9:47] Speaker 2: Not today. No, not today.
[9:48] Speaker 4: If y'all want to.
[9:49] Speaker 2: Do it for the.
[9:56] Speaker 4: That's the main part. It's just this happy birthday. All
[9:59] Speaker 4: the extra shit, don't even worry about that. Rodney and
[10:00] Speaker 4: Cedric also. Okay. Have Nick Jr.
[10:02] Speaker 1: Read that for you. You know what I mean? All right, well,
[10:07] Speaker 1: let's keep this thing moving. We have a lot of
[10:09] Speaker 1: basketball to get into. Thunder entered Game 5 one win
[10:13] Speaker 1: away from the NBA Finals. The Wolves blew the Thunder
[10:16] Speaker 1: out in Game 3 to secure their only win of
[10:18] Speaker 1: the series.
[10:19] Speaker 2: Lost.
[10:19] Speaker 1: Game four by just two points as they were unable
[10:21] Speaker 1: to complete a late comeback. In game four, Ant-Man took
[10:24] Speaker 1: 13 shots for the second time in the series. Would
[10:27] Speaker 1: he look to be more aggressive? And for the Thunder,
[10:30] Speaker 1: how would SGA follow up a career-high 40-point game back
[10:33] Speaker 1: at the crib? So after dominating games one and two
[10:35] Speaker 1: at home, OKC was in the driver's seat entering this game,
[10:38] Speaker 1: and the MVP kept them rolling. Let's take a look
[10:40] Speaker 1: at the highlights if we can, please, Paolo. The Wolves
[10:45] Speaker 1: scored the first bucket of this game, a three from
[10:47] Speaker 1: Julius Randle. That was the only time They would hold
[10:50] Speaker 1: the lead for the entire game. OKC defense was suffocating
[10:54] Speaker 1: from the very start, holding the Wolves to three for
[10:56] Speaker 1: 20 shooting in the first quarter, a diabolically nasty 15%. Offensively,
[11:01] Speaker 1: the Thunder got off to a hot start with SGA
[11:03] Speaker 1: leading the way as usual. He had 12 points in
[11:05] Speaker 1: the first quarter on five for seven shooting. He assisted
[11:08] Speaker 1: or scored on 24 of the 26 points they scored
[11:10] Speaker 1: in the period. Thunder led 26 to nine at the
[11:13] Speaker 1: end of the first quarter. The nine points was the
[11:14] Speaker 1: lowest for the Wolves in any quarter in their franchise history.
[11:18] Speaker 1: Second quarter was more of the same. with OKC extending
[11:20] Speaker 1: the lead to 33 points at halftime. That's the largest
[11:23] Speaker 1: halftime lead in Thunder playoff history. Wolves actually did outscore
[11:26] Speaker 1: the Thunder in the third quarter, but were only able
[11:29] Speaker 1: to cut the lead to 26 after that frame was over.
[11:32] Speaker 1: About halfway into the fourth quarter, the OKC starters were
[11:34] Speaker 1: subbed out, received a standing ovation from the crowd. But
[11:39] Speaker 1: let's look at some more of this action. Look at
[11:41] Speaker 1: this team. Did you know that there's people in the
[11:45] Speaker 1: world that gave them a 0% chance? That is wild.
[11:49] Speaker 1: Zero percent chance of winning. They were too young. Did
[11:54] Speaker 1: not have faith. And this man right here, Jalen Williams,
[11:56] Speaker 1: all NBA, all defense.
[11:58] Speaker 4: All-star.
[12:00] Speaker 1: SGA doing his thing. Rocking his signature converse. Can I
[12:05] Speaker 1: have this dance? Meanwhile, just got worse. That's the MVP
[12:13] Speaker 1: right there, ladies and gentlemen. 0% chance of winning the
[12:19] Speaker 1: chip heading into this postseason. But, like I said, about
[12:27] Speaker 1: halfway in the fourth quarter, OKC starters subbed out, but
[12:30] Speaker 1: not before.
[12:30] Speaker 4: Chad Holmgren did that.
[12:34] Speaker 1: The Wolves are eliminated one round short of the NBA
[12:36] Speaker 1: finals for the second straight season, and the Thunder advanced
[12:38] Speaker 1: to their first final since 2012 when the KD Russ
[12:42] Speaker 1: Harden-led squad faced off with the Heatles. Here's a look
[12:45] Speaker 1: at what the stat sheet looked like for the Wolves.
[12:46] Speaker 1: Ant-Man vowed to be more aggressive than he was. He
[12:48] Speaker 1: scored 19 points on 7 for 18 shooting. OKC defense
[12:52] Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit for giving him trouble in
[12:53] Speaker 1: this series, holding Ant-Man under 20 points in three of
[12:57] Speaker 1: the five games. Julius Randle had 24 points on 8
[12:59] Speaker 1: of 14 shooting. He was 4 for 6 from 3.
[13:02] Speaker 1: Game was mostly out of hand, and the Thunder defense
[13:04] Speaker 1: was focused on Ant. And after a combined of 66
[13:06] Speaker 1: points in a huge game before Jaden McDaniels, Dante DiVincenzo
[13:09] Speaker 1: to kill Alexander Walker, 11 combined points in this one,
[13:13] Speaker 1: including zero from Shea's cousin Nikhil Alexander-Walker, Rudy Gobert had
[13:16] Speaker 1: 2 points and 5 rebounds, and Nasri had 11 points.
[13:19] Speaker 1: Thunder Trio, SGA, Jalen Williams, and Chet Holm were combined
[13:22] Speaker 1: for 95 points, the most by a Thunder Trio in
[13:25] Speaker 1: a playoff game since moving to OKC in 2008-2009. With
[13:29] Speaker 1: 34 points in Game 5 and averages of 31.4 points,
[13:32] Speaker 1: 8 assists, and 5 rebounds, and 1.8 steals per game
[13:35] Speaker 1: in the series, Shea Gilgis-Alexander was named the Magic Johnson
[13:39] Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals MVP. After the game, he made it
[13:42] Speaker 1: clear that the Thunder don't plan on stopping now.
[13:46] Speaker 8: Obviously, happy for the moment, but this isn't our goal.
[13:50] Speaker 8: This isn't the end of the road. There was no
[13:55] Speaker 8: special conversation. It was just, let's keep getting better. One
[14:00] Speaker 8: more series to try to go in.
[14:03] Speaker 4: Keep getting better. One more series to try to go in.
[14:05] Speaker 4: What is the name of the trophy?
[14:07] Speaker 1: The Magic Johnson Western Conference Finals MVP. Named after Irvin
[14:11] Speaker 1: Magic Johnson, the man who brought a movie theater to
[14:13] Speaker 1: the hood in Los Angeles with unlimited strawberry soda refills.
[14:16] Speaker 2: Starbucks.
[14:17] Speaker 4: Unlimited.
[14:18] Speaker 2: He had the Starbucks. He had the TGI.
[14:20] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[14:21] Speaker 1: TGI Friday. Limited strawberry soda. In the Ladera Center.
[14:24] Speaker 4: Turned up. Thursday, Friday, Saturday. When was it named up?
[14:27] Speaker 2: Huh? When was it named up? I think a couple
[14:29] Speaker 2: years ago.
[14:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, they just.
[14:32] Speaker 2: Michael Jordan in the East, right?
[14:33] Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken. Michael Jordan's back.
[14:36] Speaker 2: Okay, in league. So the... Larry Bird and Magic. Herbie
[14:41] Speaker 2: Magic Johnson, Gil. Choose your words wisely.
[14:44] Speaker 4: I'm going to choose it exactly how I've... So when
[14:51] Speaker 4: I said they've been ruining people's history because of the
[14:54] Speaker 4: same three people.
[14:58] Speaker 2: The same three people. Who are those three, Gil?
[15:00] Speaker 4: Just as a reminder.
[15:02] Speaker 2: Magic. No one's going to be the best point guard ever.
[15:05] Speaker 2: It's hard.
[15:06] Speaker 4: No one's going to be the best shooting guard or
[15:08] Speaker 4: player ever because of Jordan. And no one's going to
[15:11] Speaker 4: get three MVPs in a row because of Bird. So
[15:15] Speaker 4: all since then, everybody's been taken out so they wouldn't
[15:21] Speaker 4: do this. And this is what they do is they
[15:23] Speaker 4: try to cement them more in history by naming trophies
[15:26] Speaker 4: after them.
[15:27] Speaker 1: That wasn't created when they were playing. So this started
[15:30] Speaker 1: in 2022. If you haven't heard, the Michael Magic and Bird.
[15:34] Speaker 4: It wasn't created when they were playing for them to
[15:37] Speaker 4: even be a part of. But can't they change it
[15:40] Speaker 4: every year? Or is it always going to be Magic Johnson?
[15:41] Speaker 2: No, it's going to be whatever. Yeah, this is going
[15:44] Speaker 2: to be so the legacy stays on.
[15:47] Speaker 3: Don't cope, you got the all-star trophy MVP trophy.
[15:51] Speaker 4: Motherfucker played in the playoffs. He worked hard and he
[15:54] Speaker 4: played it and took it serious. Every year, that makes sense.
[15:57] Speaker 1: So, good, would you prefer if these trophies did not
[15:59] Speaker 1: honor the legends of the game?
[16:00] Speaker 4: I mean, Magic got five.
[16:02] Speaker 2: Keep their spirit alive.
[16:03] Speaker 1: Your contributions to the National Basketball Association.
[16:07] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[16:09] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[16:09] Speaker 2: You got to name the most improved and sixth man, too.
[16:13] Speaker 4: The Lou Will?
[16:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[16:15] Speaker 4: That makes sense, right? Lil' Will or Jamal Crawford or
[16:20] Speaker 4: Mano Janone.
[16:21] Speaker 2: That makes sense. This was an Eastern Conference Finals MVP.
[16:26] Speaker 2: It wasn't then. Well, they win a lot. They win
[16:30] Speaker 2: a lot. But why is it a thing, though? Who cares?
[16:35] Speaker 4: I know. It's man of the day.
[16:38] Speaker 2: It don't mean shit.
[16:38] Speaker 4: Bill Russell. It don't mean shit. Yeah, the Bill Russell Award.
[16:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, what's wrong with that?
[16:43] Speaker 4: Yeah. Nobody was ever complaining about the Bill Russell Award
[16:45] Speaker 4: when they won. What is that? The Finals MVP.
[16:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, MVP. He has 11. Makes sense. It's the Finals
[16:52] Speaker 2: MVP Award. I get that. It's the Finals.
[16:55] Speaker 4: So what's wrong with Magic Nelson? Magic in the West
[16:57] Speaker 4: don't make sense. Magic went five times. Yeah. I mean,
[16:59] Speaker 4: more than that. More than five times.
[17:04] Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals? That's a new thing. No, he went
[17:07] Speaker 2: more than that. I believe he went seven in this game.
[17:09] Speaker 2: Five and two if I'm not mistaken. Finals, Western Conference
[17:11] Speaker 2: Finals MVP?
[17:12] Speaker 4: So why isn't he named the Tim Duncan? Nine for Magic, right?
[17:17] Speaker 4: Nine Final Conference MVPs? Isn't that a new award?
[17:23] Speaker 2: That's a new award, right? That's like 2021, 2020. I
[17:26] Speaker 2: like it. Yeah, 2022.
[17:27] Speaker 4: I ain't got no problem with it. I like it.
[17:31] Speaker 2: So why not the Tim Duncan? Because he didn't have
[17:34] Speaker 2: a big man award, I guess.
[17:38] Speaker 5: What's a big man? He got five of them motherfuckers.
[17:41] Speaker 5: He was the best player every year they won a championship.
[17:44] Speaker 2: But he didn't impact the game like Magic.
[17:46] Speaker 4: Sure didn't.
[17:48] Speaker 2: Impact what game? He didn't impact the game like Magic.
[17:51] Speaker 4: What, the Spurs game?
[17:53] Speaker 2: He didn't impact the game like Magic.
[17:56] Speaker 4: Off the floor?
[17:57] Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
[17:57] Speaker 4: And on.
[17:59] Speaker 5: Boy, boy got five championships. What are y'all not listening to?
[18:02] Speaker 2: No, no, that's fine. No, that's fine. He's not Magic.
[18:06] Speaker 4: Game market.
[18:07] Speaker 2: Yeah. I said off the floor, yeah, I got you, yes.
[18:09] Speaker 2: I gave y'all that. Magic got five.
[18:12] Speaker 4: Magic played on the court.
[18:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[18:14] Speaker 4: It was showtime. I did.
[18:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, all that.
[18:19] Speaker 5: Who cares who Western and Eastern Conference finals, like, who cares?
[18:24] Speaker 2: Is that not an accomplishment, though, you're thinking? No.
[18:27] Speaker 4: It's not. Now it is. But what I'm saying is
[18:31] Speaker 4: my thing was always this. When I'm looking at the
[18:34] Speaker 4: game and I'm looking at accolades and I'm looking at
[18:40] Speaker 4: your legacy, we're watching in real time, right? We watched
[18:47] Speaker 4: it in the 90s, but we didn't understand what was
[18:49] Speaker 4: going on in the 90s, why Michael Jordan don't have
[18:55] Speaker 4: seven or eight straight MVPs, right? And they took two
[18:59] Speaker 4: from him so he wouldn't get three in a row, right?
[19:02] Speaker 4: We didn't see it then. Then, you know, when Kobe's
[19:05] Speaker 4: coming along, when, you know, LeBron, you got Curry, you
[19:12] Speaker 4: got Giannis when he was supposed to win three, then
[19:15] Speaker 4: you got Jokic when he was supposed to win three
[19:17] Speaker 4: two times in a row. And then I'm like, well,
[19:20] Speaker 4: whose legacy are they saving? Then you start doing the
[19:22] Speaker 4: research and you're like, It's the same three people. When
[19:27] Speaker 4: LeBron came into the league, he was the next Magic
[19:29] Speaker 4: Johnson with Jordan-like ability. Jordan athleticism. That was the tag.
[19:36] Speaker 4: He is Magic 2.0. So he was in the Magic.
[19:40] Speaker 4: The small forward that started off as a shooting guard
[19:43] Speaker 4: their first year, then became like the point forward. That
[19:46] Speaker 4: was his lane. So he was supposed to be either
[19:49] Speaker 4: the Magic or in front of Magic. When he started
[19:52] Speaker 4: showing abilities that was beyond Magic Johnson, they moved his
[19:56] Speaker 4: ass to Jordan because he's going to fall to Jordan.
[19:59] Speaker 2: So Magic gets to stay up top. Jordan gets to
[20:01] Speaker 2: stay up top. I'm pretty sure LeBron's going to get one.
[20:03] Speaker 4: He'll probably get the Rookie of the Year trophy.
[20:05] Speaker 2: LeBron's Rookie of the Year trophy. Shouldn't be his.
[20:09] Speaker 4: It should.
[20:10] Speaker 3: Who does that trophy belong to? Something here gets something.
[20:13] Speaker 3: LeBron gonna get something. NBA MVP or the Eastern Conference.
[20:17] Speaker 2: The LaMelo?
[20:18] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Carmelo Anthony's trophy he got at home.
[20:22] Speaker 2: The Lee Mello rookie in the air truck. Give us footage.
[20:24] Speaker 2: He got more points. What can I get?
[20:27] Speaker 4: Finals MVP goes to the person who's went there the
[20:30] Speaker 4: most then.
[20:31] Speaker 2: Because he got all the points. He could be a
[20:32] Speaker 2: scoring title.
[20:33] Speaker 4: Like, I mean, just to think about it. Whoever went
[20:36] Speaker 4: to the championship the most, that would kind of be theirs.
[20:39] Speaker 4: Whoever won the championship the most, that's got to be theirs. So, yeah,
[20:43] Speaker 4: Bill Russell trophy should be the Larry O'Brien. Okay, then
[20:47] Speaker 4: whoever's been.
[20:48] Speaker 2: To the finals. So, that's Bill Russell. That's Magic. That's
[20:51] Speaker 2: probably LeBron.
[20:52] Speaker 4: No problem.
[20:55] Speaker 2: Been or won it?
[20:57] Speaker 4: Been.
[20:57] Speaker 2: Jerry West. Jerry West win multiple times. Yeah, that's what
[21:01] Speaker 2: I'm saying.
[21:01] Speaker 4: So that trophy should be named after somebody who's been
[21:03] Speaker 4: there the most.
[21:04] Speaker 2: Robert Ory. Ain't that.
[21:06] Speaker 4: Jerry West. It's not about winning.
[21:08] Speaker 2: Jerry West the logo.
[21:09] Speaker 1: Did they change the championship trophy from Larry O'Brien to
[21:12] Speaker 1: David Stern?
[21:13] Speaker 4: It is. No, should they? I'm asking you.
[21:15] Speaker 2: Hmm.
[21:15] Speaker 4: No. I'm not mad at that. I'm not going to lie.
[21:22] Speaker 2: I'm not mad at that.
[21:23] Speaker 4: With the three people who just got these trophies, that
[21:27] Speaker 4: only makes sense.
[21:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not mad at that one.
[21:29] Speaker 4: It only makes sense. Larry, you got his creation. That
[21:34] Speaker 4: just got cemented. You might as well make that the
[21:36] Speaker 4: Davidson Trophy. Why is it a problem that it's Magic
[21:40] Speaker 4: and Bird?
[21:41] Speaker 2: They did a lot for.
[21:42] Speaker 4: The game, though.
[21:43] Speaker 2: I know, but the problem is they're doing a lot
[21:46] Speaker 2: for their game today, too. They still are. Yes, but
[21:49] Speaker 2: it's not in a good way. Oh, how?
[21:53] Speaker 4: Because you can't win your third MVP because it takes
[21:57] Speaker 4: away from Bird.
[21:58] Speaker 2: No, then don't joke about three. No, not in a row, no.
[22:02] Speaker 4: Not in a row.
[22:03] Speaker 2: But that, nobody cares. As long as you got three,
[22:05] Speaker 2: it's still the same. I don't care. It don't matter.
[22:08] Speaker 4: It is your birthday, so I will agree with that.
[22:10] Speaker 4: Three in a row is what everyone keeps getting screwed over.
[22:13] Speaker 4: It's a real thing.
[22:15] Speaker 1: Well, let's shift it back to the current Western Conference
[22:17] Speaker 1: Finals MVP, Shea Gilders, Alexander.
[22:21] Speaker 4: I know, it was different back in the day. Western
[22:22] Speaker 4: Conference Finals representative, Oklahoma City Thunder.
[22:25] Speaker 2: I know, but they're ruining your career. They're ruining your
[22:28] Speaker 2: accolades because of it.
[22:29] Speaker 1: What impressed you the most about SGA during this season?
[22:32] Speaker 1: in the Thunder's extended playoff run. Like I mentioned, there
[22:34] Speaker 1: were some people out there that said the Thunder had
[22:35] Speaker 1: a 0% chance.
[22:37] Speaker 2: See, y'all should have brought him on here. I think
[22:38] Speaker 2: that was Cemetery Larry.
[22:40] Speaker 4: Or what is his name?
[22:41] Speaker 2: Money Mike and Charles?
[22:42] Speaker 1: Not according to the internet.
[22:44] Speaker 2: Money making Mitch.
[22:45] Speaker 4: Sonny. Sonny.
[22:46] Speaker 2: Money making Sonny.
[22:47] Speaker 7: Sonny.
[22:48] Speaker 2: Sonny wasn't making money. Sonny, that was him? It was
[22:51] Speaker 2: not money-making Sonny. Sonny wasn't getting money. Nah, Sonny wasn't
[22:54] Speaker 2: making money on the show.
[22:56] Speaker 4: I can smell a nigga with money.
[22:58] Speaker 2: That was not money-making Sonny.
[23:00] Speaker 4: That's Sonny. You can set him up.
[23:01] Speaker 2: Oh, that's Sonny?
[23:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was Rashad. You're currently getting packed
[23:05] Speaker 4: up by Al Gore's internet right now.
[23:08] Speaker 2: No, I thought it wasn't Rashad who said that? Well,
[23:11] Speaker 2: unless y'all got a clip.
[23:13] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[23:13] Speaker 2: I think you said Devin Williams. As you know, you
[23:17] Speaker 2: vetoed all clips.
[23:18] Speaker 4: I remember saying something like that.
[23:21] Speaker 2: I remember saying something like that, but I'm pretty sure.
[23:25] Speaker 4: So since, you know, you didn't bring him on the
[23:27] Speaker 4: couch to defend himself, yeah, I'm just going to put
[23:29] Speaker 4: it on him.
[23:32] Speaker 2: It's documented. I know it is.
[23:36] Speaker 1: We chose not to run the clip out of respect
[23:37] Speaker 1: for you with a direct deposit.
[23:39] Speaker 2: No, no, we're going to run that clip.
[23:40] Speaker 4: It's my birthday.
[23:41] Speaker 2: Run that shit right there, please. Like it is your birthday. Yeah,
[23:44] Speaker 2: I want to see it. It's my only time of
[23:46] Speaker 2: being right. Oh, yeah. Kylo, thank you for that legally, sir.
[23:51] Speaker 2: One second. Yeah, that's crazy because, I mean. Why would
[23:56] Speaker 2: someone say that, Josiah?
[23:57] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[23:58] Speaker 2: I just host, as you know. I host and lead
[24:00] Speaker 2: the youth to championships. You know what?
[24:02] Speaker 4: Just because it was Larry and he's not here to
[24:04] Speaker 4: defend himself, I'm pretty sure when he made a statement
[24:06] Speaker 4: like that, he was thinking selfishly about the team.
[24:09] Speaker 2: That he liked.
[24:09] Speaker 4: So, you know, because of the Knicks, right, because he
[24:12] Speaker 4: thinks the Knicks is going to win, obviously they have
[24:15] Speaker 4: a 0% chance because the Knicks is going to win.
[24:18] Speaker 2: And me, if I would have said something.
[24:20] Speaker 4: If I would have said some stupid shit like that, me, myself, me,
[24:23] Speaker 4: if I would have said that dumbass shit, it would
[24:25] Speaker 4: have been because, you know, we had Luke and LeBron.
[24:27] Speaker 4: And third place, Los Angeles.
[24:29] Speaker 2: I was 100% thinking that they was going to win it.
[24:31] Speaker 4: So if they're going to win it, then there was
[24:34] Speaker 4: fucking no way they had a chance.
[24:36] Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say nothing stupid like that.
[24:38] Speaker 4: Why do you keep doing this as.
[24:39] Speaker 5: Part of the seat right there, though? Because that's the
[24:42] Speaker 5: only open spot. Oh, I thought it was because the
[24:48] Speaker 5: person that sat there.
[24:50] Speaker 4: Woo!
[24:52] Speaker 2: It was just a natural reaction.
[24:53] Speaker 4: The motherfucker that sat there said that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[24:58] Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. I don't know.
[25:01] Speaker 4: He was kind of like, your kind of color, a
[25:03] Speaker 4: little light skin, a little heavier though. Yeah. A little
[25:07] Speaker 4: further over to the left a little bit more, but
[25:10] Speaker 4: like with that trade.
[25:12] Speaker 2: Yeah. Like if you move that trade, move the side
[25:14] Speaker 2: of that trade a little bit forward.
[25:15] Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
[25:17] Speaker 2: Slide to your right. Slide to my right? Yeah. No,
[25:19] Speaker 2: slide your body to the right.
[25:22] Speaker 4: Oh.
[25:22] Speaker 2: And one hop this time. Yeah, just one hop this time. Reverse, reverse.
[25:28] Speaker 2: Piss off.
[25:30] Speaker 4: They don't feel comfortable? No. A little bit. A little, yeah.
[25:34] Speaker 2: You got your grooves in it, girl. Damn. You know what, man?
[25:38] Speaker 2: I was COVID drunk.
[25:40] Speaker 4: Oh, my. I had COVID brain. I had a little
[25:43] Speaker 4: COVID brain. Oh, my God. I was COVID brain. You
[25:47] Speaker 4: know what I mean? COVID brain. Sometimes. Sometimes. Just blame
[25:51] Speaker 4: it on him. Blame it on him.
[25:53] Speaker 2: COVID brain chat.
[25:54] Speaker 1: Well, given the aftermath of that, you did decide to
[25:56] Speaker 1: jump on the Oklahoma City Thunder bandwagon to atone for
[25:59] Speaker 1: your sins. So what's impressed you the most about SGA
[26:02] Speaker 1: during the season and the Thunder's extended playoff run? First
[26:05] Speaker 1: final since the EuroLeague 2012.
[26:09] Speaker 2: MVP. Urban Magic Johnson, Western Conference Finals MVP. He's the best, right?
[26:13] Speaker 2: Christine Braves.
[26:15] Speaker 9: I think for me, everything that he didn't get MVP
[26:18] Speaker 9: last year came back with a chip on his shoulder.
[26:22] Speaker 4: He's built a culture over there.
[26:24] Speaker 9: They keep a lot of things in-house, and they don't
[26:28] Speaker 9: get too high, too low.
[26:30] Speaker 4: They stay right in the middle.
[26:32] Speaker 9: And like I said before, man, they've been keeping it
[26:33] Speaker 9: consistent the whole playoffs. Like, they never got rattled. When
[26:37] Speaker 9: things went tough, they got together. You know, just like
[26:40] Speaker 9: he said.
[26:40] Speaker 4: You know, they have more work to do.
[26:42] Speaker 9: So you could just, you know, you could just see
[26:44] Speaker 9: what his mission is. You know, even when his dad came,
[26:46] Speaker 9: you know, their love for the game. So I just like,
[26:50] Speaker 9: you know, just to hold his post this year. You know,
[26:53] Speaker 9: just putting the team on his back, creating a culture, and,
[26:56] Speaker 9: you know, being the leader.
[26:59] Speaker 4: Kane, what's impressed you about SGA and the Thunder Squad?
[27:01] Speaker 5: They've just been determined to not repeat what happened last
[27:05] Speaker 5: year to them. You can tell in their play, they've
[27:08] Speaker 5: been coming out with that determination, man, that we know
[27:14] Speaker 5: we are one of the best teams in the NBA,
[27:18] Speaker 5: and we are here to prove it. And if we
[27:21] Speaker 5: bring our A game each and every night, which we're
[27:24] Speaker 5: not going to always do, but if we aim towards that,
[27:27] Speaker 5: we've got a great shot at winning 16 games, so.
[27:31] Speaker 5: that's what I've seen from them and from him, from Shea.
[27:38] Speaker 5: Shea's just determined, man. Like, they are playing determined basketball.
[27:42] Speaker 5: And you can just look at– and have fun while
[27:47] Speaker 5: they're doing it. So it ain't just that they out
[27:49] Speaker 5: there hooping about. It's about business, but they having fun
[27:53] Speaker 5: at why they're doing it.
[27:54] Speaker 2: So, yeah, a group of young guys, man.
[27:57] Speaker 5: And so I was seeing something that they– Like, the
[28:02] Speaker 5: youngest team. Like, nobody that's been in the league, like,
[28:05] Speaker 5: so many years, like, to make it to the finals. Like,
[28:07] Speaker 5: since our Nets team.
[28:08] Speaker 4: So, it's dope.
[28:09] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[28:10] Speaker 5: It's dope for them to be so young and so
[28:13] Speaker 5: in tune with one another.
[28:17] Speaker 2: It's good stuff.
[28:18] Speaker 1: So, SGA game won 31 points. Game two, playoff career
[28:21] Speaker 1: high then of 38 points. Had 14 in their only
[28:24] Speaker 1: losses of the series of game three. Followed that up
[28:26] Speaker 1: with a playoff career high 40 piece. And they're winning
[28:29] Speaker 1: game four, 34 points. Seven and eight.
[28:33] Speaker 5: Just to go, to piggyback, so they say they went
[28:35] Speaker 5: to dinner or something, if I'm not mistaken. They went
[28:37] Speaker 5: to dinner, after they got their doors blown, go to dinner,
[28:42] Speaker 5: they had no fucking meeting.
[28:45] Speaker 2: That's the difference.
[28:45] Speaker 5: We got out, we just went to dinner as a unit,
[28:49] Speaker 5: drink some red wine or something, and we don't need
[28:51] Speaker 5: to have a meeting about what we need to do.
[28:53] Speaker 2: Let's just build on what we've been doing.
[28:56] Speaker 4: Watching them last year, you're like, eh, you know, Phoenix Suns.
[29:03] Speaker 4: Watched him this year, thought about Phoenix Suns again. We
[29:08] Speaker 4: knew that Shea was him, right? And he controlled majority
[29:14] Speaker 4: of everything that went on. Unless you just really dive
[29:21] Speaker 4: in and you're really watching him daily, the rookie mistakes,
[29:28] Speaker 4: they don't make a lot of them. Because it's like
[29:30] Speaker 4: the rookies they have and the vets that they have
[29:33] Speaker 4: is like a perfect blend. Like they have a very
[29:35] Speaker 4: young team, but the guys they're playing, they're not.
[29:40] Speaker 2: Really young, right? You know, you got Chet, you got
[29:44] Speaker 2: Jalen Williams, right? SGA is 26. SGA only 26? You
[29:50] Speaker 2: have Caruso, but you have Hartenstein, and you have.
[29:59] Speaker 2: As far as Dort, right?
[30:01] Speaker 4: So it's like the perfect blend instead of having just
[30:04] Speaker 4: a whole.
[30:06] Speaker 2: Amateur team. So it's like the perfect blend.
[30:08] Speaker 4: And the young guys that I didn't really was comfortable
[30:14] Speaker 4: with was Jalen. Like, is he a real, you know,
[30:16] Speaker 4: second option? Remember, Chet wasn't playing. And, you know, it's hurt, played,
[30:22] Speaker 4: and then started off a little rocky this year. It's like,
[30:25] Speaker 4: but they don't do the same mistakes two games in
[30:28] Speaker 4: a row. you know, they learn faster than, you know,
[30:33] Speaker 4: even though we always say this era's a little dumb, right,
[30:37] Speaker 4: because they get to play and do some dumb shit,
[30:39] Speaker 4: they don't do a lot of it.
[30:41] Speaker 2: Right, so the mistakes they made.
[30:43] Speaker 5: The Denver game, that Denver series when they fouled early,
[30:48] Speaker 5: they don't do that right now, to your point. They
[30:50] Speaker 5: did that shit and they haven't done it again. Nowhere
[30:53] Speaker 5: near doing that shit again, so to your point, absolutely.
[30:57] Speaker 3: And for me, I feel like it's It's a talent
[31:00] Speaker 3: to make everybody feel comfortable on the team as a coach. Like,
[31:04] Speaker 3: everybody feel like they're not looking over their shoulders when
[31:08] Speaker 3: they shoot. Like, they're comfortable to shoot that shot.
[31:11] Speaker 4: And I think that's a sign to the team to make,
[31:14] Speaker 4: to Shea, too.
[31:15] Speaker 3: Like, as a leader, God's not, like, worried about missing
[31:20] Speaker 3: out that much. And I feel like Caruso was a
[31:26] Speaker 3: great pickup this summer.
[31:27] Speaker 4: The champion, former NBA champion.
[31:30] Speaker 3: Some people don't like to hear it, but that championship
[31:32] Speaker 3: experience helped, too. Totally different team from last year.
[31:38] Speaker 4: Harkin Stein was the best pickup that they could have gotten.
[31:42] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[31:43] Speaker 5: I think they both are equally what they need. I'm
[31:45] Speaker 5: just saying, just having another B. Chet ain't got to
[31:49] Speaker 5: play five, right? He is good at that position. He
[31:52] Speaker 5: is typically what you're looking for. And a four man
[31:56] Speaker 5: these days that shoot it, dribble it, athletic enough to
[32:00] Speaker 5: block shots. And so that's what you're looking for. And, yeah,
[32:05] Speaker 5: they put that roster together and that team together in
[32:07] Speaker 5: a way that.
[32:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's it's doing your.
[32:12] Speaker 5: Homework is watching guys not just over a summer, but
[32:17] Speaker 5: watching guys consistently on what they built on.
[32:21] Speaker 2: The Joe kid, the Wiggins kid, like all.
[32:24] Speaker 5: Of those guys. I'm saying the other Jalen Williams kid.
[32:27] Speaker 5: It's just you've watched these kids when they were in college,
[32:32] Speaker 5: whatever college it is, small school, big school, you did
[32:35] Speaker 5: your homework. And your scouts and staff have brought this
[32:39] Speaker 5: homework back to San Francisco and they've run with it.
[32:43] Speaker 5: They've had the capital with draft picks to do it with.
[32:48] Speaker 5: So it's It's front office mixed with picking the right
[32:52] Speaker 5: coach for this young group of guys.
[32:54] Speaker 2: Everybody buying into the same message.
[32:59] Speaker 5: And when that ball is moving freely, man, and to
[33:01] Speaker 5: your point, Nick, that ball moving freely. And we know
[33:05] Speaker 5: where it's going in the fourth quarter. Great way to play, man.
[33:12] Speaker 10: I want to know who started the idea of we're
[33:21] Speaker 10: going to do the on-court interview together.
[33:26] Speaker 4: Right? I want to know who started that because that
[33:30] Speaker 4: right there starts the friendship because.
[33:32] Speaker 2: Even though they're not trying to talk to y'all, I
[33:34] Speaker 2: want y'all in this shot. Probably Shea. Probably Shea?
[33:37] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[33:38] Speaker 5: Or somebody suggested it to him, or it could be...
[33:40] Speaker 5: He looked up to, like, just from here on, him
[33:44] Speaker 5: and his wife, him and his old lady got a
[33:45] Speaker 5: good relationship.
[33:47] Speaker 2: And he respects her opinion. He says she's brutally honest
[33:49] Speaker 2: with him.
[33:49] Speaker 5: So probably a conversation you probably had with him, somebody
[33:51] Speaker 5: close to him had with him and brought it to
[33:53] Speaker 5: his attention, or he came up with it himself either
[33:56] Speaker 5: way it go, but it's just a dope idea, man.
[33:59] Speaker 1: This OKC team now has a grand total of 80 wins,
[34:03] Speaker 1: regular season and playoff combined. So only the 2015-16 Warriors,
[34:07] Speaker 1: 95-96 Bulls, and 96-97 Bulls had at least 80 wins
[34:11] Speaker 1: entering the NBA Finals in NBA history.
[34:13] Speaker 4: Both those Bulls teams obviously won the chip.
[34:15] Speaker 1: Warriors had a 3-1 lead, did not win the chip.
[34:17] Speaker 1: Historic teams, but those teams also went to multiple finals,
[34:21] Speaker 1: won multiple titles. So after the game, SGA was asked
[34:23] Speaker 1: about the potential of the big three of him, J-Dub,
[34:26] Speaker 1: and Chet, and here's what he said.
[34:28] Speaker 8: We still have so much more room to grow, which
[34:31] Speaker 8: is the scary part, like, I'm 26, which seems old
[34:36] Speaker 8: compared to the other two. But, yeah, they're 23 and 24.
[34:40] Speaker 8: They haven't even hit close to their prime yet. Both
[34:45] Speaker 8: of them are just out there playing off a feel
[34:47] Speaker 8: in their talent. I'm excited for the future.
[34:52] Speaker 2: Play-O, though. We don't want to jump too far ahead,
[34:55] Speaker 2: but reaching the finals, this team's experience.
[34:57] Speaker 4: That's crazy. Like, he's talking about they haven't hit. He
[35:00] Speaker 4: hasn't hit his prime. He played right at it. He
[35:04] Speaker 4: played like he owed, though.
[35:06] Speaker 2: He started at 26, 27.
[35:09] Speaker 4: For him, he'd been around, like, you got to think
[35:11] Speaker 4: how long they've been in it. Right?
[35:14] Speaker 5: For a lot of us, we started at, like, That prime,
[35:18] Speaker 5: you're thinking that we coming in later.
[35:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
[35:21] Speaker 5: Yeah, like, this is, he's in it. 26 to, right,
[35:24] Speaker 5: because he'll start now to 33, 30.
[35:26] Speaker 1: But, I mean, the way we've seen this league trend, though,
[35:30] Speaker 1: that could be even longer than that.
[35:31] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Back then, like, your prime was, what,
[35:34] Speaker 4: the 26 or, like, 32 because you was out of
[35:36] Speaker 4: the league at, like, 36. Yeah. Right? That's what I'm saying. 38,
[35:41] Speaker 4: they still high level, so it's like. He's extended. And
[35:44] Speaker 4: his game is not like. His game ain't like he's
[35:48] Speaker 4: at his own pace. Yeah, it ain't jumpy. Yeah, it
[35:52] Speaker 4: ain't that. Shit.
[35:53] Speaker 2: I feel like he's the sponge.
[35:55] Speaker 4: Kid just won MVP.
[35:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, he in his prime. Shane's the sponge. I feel like.
[35:58] Speaker 2: Derrick Rose wasn't in his prime when he won.
[36:00] Speaker 4: No, no, no.
[36:01] Speaker 2: No, he was young. This kid is in his prime.
[36:04] Speaker 4: He's figured this league out. Three straight seasons averaging 30.
[36:07] Speaker 4: He's figured this league out. I like the league in
[36:09] Speaker 4: scoring this year. I'm seeing Roots again as MVP. And
[36:11] Speaker 4: good luck stopping him because he on.
[36:12] Speaker 3: I think who he had, like teach him.
[36:15] Speaker 2: Chris Paul, Lou, Kawhi. Yeah, what's so funny is he
[36:20] Speaker 2: got the Lou.
[36:21] Speaker 4: He got the Lou Will. What's so funny is he
[36:22] Speaker 4: got the Lou and Chris Paul style. Getting in there,
[36:27] Speaker 4: still keeping his drip. That's the clever part of him.
[36:32] Speaker 4: Being 6'6, 6'7, being in the lane dribbling like Chris
[36:37] Speaker 4: Paul in your 6'2 compact. Somebody that's got long arms,
[36:43] Speaker 4: long limbs, and be in the lane still dribbling is like, damn, that's.
[36:48] Speaker 2: That's skill to get fouled.
[36:50] Speaker 4: They didn't get that bump on you.
[36:53] Speaker 2: Tyrese.
[36:54] Speaker 5: That's the skill to get fouled, too. My bad. No,
[36:57] Speaker 5: he did some shit yesterday, to your point. Like, his craftiness.
[37:00] Speaker 5: If he would have went up with his right, he
[37:02] Speaker 5: knew it would have got blocked.
[37:04] Speaker 2: He drove.
[37:04] Speaker 5: It was a right-hand layup. If he would have went
[37:06] Speaker 5: like this, it would have got blocked. He's just so
[37:09] Speaker 5: fucking crafty. He's just motherfucking just right. The dude was right.
[37:12] Speaker 5: He knew he was finna get ready to jump. Shot
[37:14] Speaker 5: that motherfucker with his left hand. I'm like, this motherfucker's
[37:16] Speaker 5: so got it. Just little things like that. Just his
[37:20] Speaker 5: awareness on where defenders.
[37:22] Speaker 2: Are in human tendency.
[37:25] Speaker 5: I'm telling you, that clip on Nas Reeve when I said,
[37:28] Speaker 5: can I have this dance?
[37:30] Speaker 2: It's just so.
[37:32] Speaker 5: Textbook and it's just, okay, I want you to go
[37:35] Speaker 5: this way, boom, okay, I'm gonna stop you, go this way, boom,
[37:37] Speaker 5: because you gotta try to.
[37:38] Speaker 2: Cut me back off now before you back. Right?
[37:40] Speaker 5: It's like, damn, like, it's so calculated, but it's tough.
[37:44] Speaker 5: If you touch him in that type of way, he
[37:45] Speaker 5: gonna foul.
[37:46] Speaker 4: Oh, he gonna bump you.
[37:47] Speaker 5: He gonna get that shoulder in your chest, man.
[37:49] Speaker 4: He gonna bump you, and then when your ass trying
[37:51] Speaker 4: to bump back, oh, yeah.
[37:54] Speaker 5: He gonna hands up shit, like, his hands up between
[37:57] Speaker 5: the legs.
[37:58] Speaker 2: Like, who does that? Like, hands up between the legs, back,
[38:02] Speaker 2: that shit, that's tough, dog.
[38:04] Speaker 4: I don't want to be trying to dunk either. He
[38:06] Speaker 4: can dunk. He can jump.
[38:07] Speaker 2: Put that motherfucking foot right in.
[38:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He different.
[38:13] Speaker 2: Getting small spaces because he thin.
[38:15] Speaker 1: But, Gil, we've talked about this before, just in terms
[38:17] Speaker 1: of having to pay all these guys down the road,
[38:19] Speaker 1: but they've got a lot of solid contracts, a lot
[38:21] Speaker 1: of team options at their disposal. Talk about Hardenstein, Lou Dort,
[38:25] Speaker 1: Isaiah Joe, other players, 20 draft picks over the next
[38:28] Speaker 1: five drafts. jesus first final since 2012 do we feel
[38:32] Speaker 1: like we're seeing okc and we don't want to jump
[38:35] Speaker 1: ahead that won the chip yet but beginning to formulate
[38:38] Speaker 1: something that.
[38:38] Speaker 2: Could man once once once.
[38:42] Speaker 4: Once boston went down they and whoever won the west
[38:45] Speaker 4: between them and denver was the champs like that's um
[38:50] Speaker 4: if everyone stays healthy um The champions of the national
[38:53] Speaker 4: basketball team.
[38:54] Speaker 2: Yes.
[38:55] Speaker 4: Once Boston went down, once the defending champs went down, right?
[38:58] Speaker 2: There's still two teams playing.
[38:59] Speaker 4: Whoever won in the West after that was the most
[39:03] Speaker 4: dominant team. I feel like that championship was Denver game. Yeah,
[39:07] Speaker 4: it was the Denver game. Like, whoever's going to win.
[39:14] Speaker 2: That. They have to be careful because right now we're
[39:20] Speaker 2: going to say dynasty.
[39:22] Speaker 4: Right?
[39:24] Speaker 2: The closest dynasty is now them, right? Because of age, contracts,
[39:37] Speaker 2: and drafts, right? It's like having cash backed by gold.
[39:45] Speaker 4: They have it. So, now it's trying to figure out
[39:49] Speaker 4: who The three. You lose one, it could hurt. Right?
[39:54] Speaker 2: So if these three are yours, you better talk to
[39:57] Speaker 2: them today.
[39:58] Speaker 4: Because that free agent market, you got one who just
[40:01] Speaker 4: unlocked 300 if he waits to next year.
[40:04] Speaker 2: He can sign this year for two something.
[40:05] Speaker 4: Or take the five.
[40:07] Speaker 2: Or go to next year and he's in threes.
[40:09] Speaker 4: Closer to four, five, or three. That kind of hurts
[40:11] Speaker 4: these two. So all three of them is free this summer.
[40:15] Speaker 4: They can all re-up this summer. Right? So you got
[40:18] Speaker 4: to try to figure out if one of them can,
[40:20] Speaker 4: some Brunson, give me a little Brunson discount and see
[40:23] Speaker 4: if you can convince these three.
[40:27] Speaker 2: For the legacy. Do some of that back shit. They will.
[40:30] Speaker 4: Right? They need to defer $ 100 million for the next
[40:33] Speaker 4: 30 years. Some shit like that that makes everybody feel comfortable.
[40:39] Speaker 4: But if you can, this is going to be the
[40:43] Speaker 4: team to beat in the next.
[40:45] Speaker 2: Yep.
[40:45] Speaker 4: That shit. They definitely got a chance to happen.
[40:48] Speaker 5: And the beauty about it is nowadays, the guys that
[40:54] Speaker 5: they would be losing, just say they win, right?
[40:56] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Guys are going to move on because the team's
[41:00] Speaker 2: won because they're winning, right?
[41:02] Speaker 8: Yep.
[41:02] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[41:03] Speaker 5: The way the college landscape is now, you can go
[41:08] Speaker 5: in a draft and get an older guy that's ready
[41:10] Speaker 5: to play right now.
[41:11] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. So it ain't.
[41:12] Speaker 5: Like you're going to draft an 18-year-old kid, 19-year-old kid
[41:17] Speaker 5: that ain't like a freshman. I don't know if he's
[41:21] Speaker 5: going to be able to play right now. You're going
[41:23] Speaker 5: to draft a 25-year-old motherfucker right now.
[41:26] Speaker 2: He's ready to play. A lot of them kids, they
[41:28] Speaker 2: are Trust me.
[41:32] Speaker 5: They're older than half your roster right now. They plug
[41:35] Speaker 5: and play guys in college right now. So the beauty
[41:38] Speaker 5: of it, you said they got 20 draft picks.
[41:39] Speaker 2: At least 20. That is a cool protector pick.
[41:41] Speaker 4: 20 draft picks.
[41:42] Speaker 5: Over the next five years. So they're not going to
[41:44] Speaker 5: miss a beat. It might not matter if they lose
[41:47] Speaker 5: guys because you win it this year. They go out
[41:51] Speaker 5: and do what they're supposed to. They win it this year.
[41:52] Speaker 5: You come back to favorites next year because you, and
[41:55] Speaker 5: then you start this plug and play system that, How.
[42:00] Speaker 2: Fast it could go.
[42:00] Speaker 4: Two first-round picks for each of the next three drafts.
[42:02] Speaker 2: See how fast it could go.
[42:04] Speaker 4: Okay. Boston won, and they out. But that's okay. But now,
[42:10] Speaker 4: but listen. You could do like the Warriors. They lost,
[42:12] Speaker 4: and then they came back.
[42:13] Speaker 2: No, but they don't even have– they don't need to
[42:17] Speaker 2: do anything.
[42:17] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[42:18] Speaker 4: I mean, the only thing that messes them up is
[42:20] Speaker 4: these contracts right here because two of them are still
[42:23] Speaker 4: on rookie deals.
[42:24] Speaker 2: Get rid of Harrison Brown and get to KD?
[42:26] Speaker 4: Yes.
[42:27] Speaker 2: Two of them are still on rookie deals. Jalen Williams
[42:30] Speaker 2: not eligible.
[42:30] Speaker 4: For real? Get rid of Jalen Williams?
[42:33] Speaker 1: Jalen Williams not eligible for a five-year $ 300 million deal,
[42:36] Speaker 1: $ 296 million.
[42:37] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. The only thing that breaks them
[42:39] Speaker 4: up is contracts. That's the only thing that breaks them
[42:42] Speaker 4: up is contracts. If they figure that part out, that's
[42:46] Speaker 4: the most important part, figuring the contract part out. And
[42:49] Speaker 4: then from there, any of those picks with anybody who
[42:52] Speaker 4: can possibly be a one, two, or three pick in
[42:55] Speaker 4: the next two, three years?
[42:57] Speaker 2: Who can get, like, any of those first round protected?
[43:01] Speaker 4: Can they fuck around winning championship and get a number
[43:05] Speaker 4: one pick somehow?
[43:06] Speaker 2: From somebody. They have pick swaps and stuff still on
[43:08] Speaker 2: the table. So there's possibilities that they can win. Package
[43:12] Speaker 2: these picks together.
[43:13] Speaker 4: No, but I'm saying there's possibilities that they can win
[43:17] Speaker 4: a championship like the Lakers didn't get the number one pick. Yeah.
[43:22] Speaker 2: Hey, listen.
[43:24] Speaker 4: Y'all save y'all energy or luck is on y'all side
[43:27] Speaker 4: right now. You know what I mean?
[43:29] Speaker 5: Or you win that motherfucker and to your point, that
[43:32] Speaker 5: guy who started, you started with motherfucking... The word is
[43:37] Speaker 5: he on the market.
[43:39] Speaker 4: That old Slim Reeves guy.
[43:44] Speaker 5: He's the most plug and play motherfucker that you could
[43:46] Speaker 5: possibly go and get.
[43:48] Speaker 2: So most of those picks are top four. Top four.
[43:49] Speaker 7: Absolutely.
[43:49] Speaker 4: You get Kevin Durant. They can keep getting a lot
[43:52] Speaker 4: of lottery picks though. They can keep getting a lot
[43:53] Speaker 4: of lottery picks.
[44:01] Speaker 2: Hey, Sam Preston, go bring back Kevin Durant. What does
[44:03] Speaker 2: Jalen Williams don't want to take a paycheck?
[44:04] Speaker 4: No, thanks.
[44:05] Speaker 2: You could plug in somebody, hard check.
[44:06] Speaker 4: You don't need to pay him.
[44:07] Speaker 2: You could plug in somebody. We're going to talk about it. No,
[44:09] Speaker 2: what I'm saying, that's the only thing that changes.
[44:11] Speaker 4: Plug and play, like you said.
[44:12] Speaker 2: If they're not willing to take a … If they're
[44:15] Speaker 2: not willing to take a … Harrison Barnes, nah.
[44:19] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[44:19] Speaker 2: KD, that's what I'm saying.
[44:22] Speaker 4: So, great position.
[44:25] Speaker 2: I mean, listen, at the end of the day, it's
[44:26] Speaker 2: a great position that they're in.
[44:31] Speaker 4: And we were wrong. We were definitely wrong. Them boys
[44:34] Speaker 4: balled out. Balled out.
[44:39] Speaker 1: So while the team accepted the Western Conference trophy on
[44:42] Speaker 1: the court, they had fun with head coach Mark Dagnall
[44:44] Speaker 1: showcasing the personality of this team.
[44:49] Speaker 4: These guys are uncommon.
[44:51] Speaker 2: They do everything right.
[44:51] Speaker 4: They're professional. They're high character. They're idiots. They're competitive. And
[45:11] Speaker 4: most of all, they're team first. They embody everything it
[45:13] Speaker 4: means to be a team.
[45:16] Speaker 1: So during the season, we heard people like Draymond Green
[45:18] Speaker 1: criticize the squad, say they were too buddy-buddy. He wasn't
[45:21] Speaker 1: really a fan of all the post-game interviews and camaraderie.
[45:24] Speaker 1: But do you think the criticism of OKC's college-like togetherness
[45:27] Speaker 1: were premature?
[45:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. I mean, you know, because there's only
[45:34] Speaker 4: been a few ways we were taught.
[45:36] Speaker 2: On how you're supposed to win the championship, right?
[45:40] Speaker 4: It's, you know, it's supposed to be a certain way.
[45:44] Speaker 4: Iron fist rule. And, you know, they've shown that you
[45:51] Speaker 4: can have fun. Y'all can like each other. Y'all can
[45:53] Speaker 4: be silly.
[45:54] Speaker 2: Get it done.
[45:57] Speaker 4: And whoop ass.
[45:58] Speaker 2: When you lose, smile it off and come back and
[46:00] Speaker 2: whoop ass. So, yes, it was.
[46:04] Speaker 4: Because for 40 years, it was like, besides Showtime, but
[46:08] Speaker 4: we wasn't really, you know, because I'm pretty sure Showtime
[46:11] Speaker 4: was a fun environment.
[46:14] Speaker 2: A lot of fun. Okay, so, you know what I mean?
[46:17] Speaker 2: Stories have been told.
[46:18] Speaker 4: Too much fun.
[46:20] Speaker 2: Some people, but.
[46:22] Speaker 4: Ass cookie.
[46:24] Speaker 2: A lot of, you know... Wow.
[46:26] Speaker 4: A lot of nervous people early 90s. So, you know,
[46:35] Speaker 4: just going off of just history itself, you know, how
[46:39] Speaker 4: they were moving.
[46:40] Speaker 2: Yeah. Too young.
[46:43] Speaker 4: Didn't look serious enough, too buddy-buddy, and that's not how
[46:46] Speaker 4: you win because it was never done before. Just like,
[46:49] Speaker 4: you know, when Steph was coming on, how he played
[46:51] Speaker 4: the game, how he shot the ball from half court
[46:54] Speaker 4: and their.
[46:54] Speaker 2: Style, that's not winning basketball. It's not winning basketball until
[46:58] Speaker 2: you win.
[47:00] Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure after this championship, you're going to start
[47:04] Speaker 4: seeing a lot of motherfuckers skipping.
[47:06] Speaker 2: Along down the yellow brick road type of.
[47:08] Speaker 4: Teams because they've shown that, hey, coach, we don't need
[47:12] Speaker 4: to be like y'all.
[47:13] Speaker 2: We don't need to be angry and sitting.
[47:15] Speaker 4: Here, sitting here.
[47:15] Speaker 2: We lost and we.
[47:16] Speaker 3: Turn that motherfucking music off.
[47:21] Speaker 4: We ain't got to do that. We can really let
[47:24] Speaker 4: this shit go and get ready for the next game mentality.
[47:28] Speaker 1: So we talked about the playoff inexperience of this team
[47:30] Speaker 1: and how that might be detrimental to this postseason, but
[47:33] Speaker 1: they go seven with Denver, win that series, get 42-piece
[47:37] Speaker 1: by the Wolves in game three.
[47:38] Speaker 2: Like you said, laugh it off.
[47:40] Speaker 1: Jalen Williams saying, shit, I lost a game by 60 before,
[47:42] Speaker 1: so this ain't, you know, it could always be worse.
[47:44] Speaker 4: But follow that up. Big win in game four in Minnesota.
[47:47] Speaker 4: Hold on to get that one.
[47:48] Speaker 1: And then obviously this one I want to say was
[47:50] Speaker 1: their third or fourth 30-point win this postseason, which is
[47:52] Speaker 1: a record.
[47:54] Speaker 2: So they're putting... I.
[47:57] Speaker 4: Think everybody knew the Wolves was going to get their
[47:59] Speaker 4: ass whooped.
[48:00] Speaker 2: I think we said that. Yeah. I quit watching.
[48:05] Speaker 4: Going on the road, you're down 3-1. Yeah, that sounds like,
[48:11] Speaker 4: you know what? It's easier to just lose this game.
[48:16] Speaker 2: I can be on vacation by Saturday.
[48:19] Speaker 4: If I lose tonight.
[48:21] Speaker 2: I do my exit meeting today. I'm on vacation Saturday.
[48:26] Speaker 4: Hey, let's go out there and play hard, everybody.
[48:32] Speaker 2: Yeah. Be out there, motherfucker. So, good, you talked about this.
[48:35] Speaker 4: Oh, no.
[48:38] Speaker 2: You talked about this this week.
[48:39] Speaker 4: Hey, sit them cars, man. Hey, coach, it's over, right?
[48:44] Speaker 4: Damn it, I went under.
[48:45] Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, you talked about this this week.
[48:49] Speaker 4: Jumped in the black. Teams being down 3-1 with the
[48:51] Speaker 4: mentalities like in that locker room, a couple of players
[48:53] Speaker 4: still emotionally invested. A few have their minds in Cancun already.
[48:57] Speaker 4: A few of those players who are kind of swing states,
[48:59] Speaker 4: don't know which way to go. You go down 26-9
[49:01] Speaker 4: into the first quarter, scored nine points total in that quarter.
[49:04] Speaker 4: When it was 7-3, 11-3, game over.
[49:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, when that shit was 3-0 and then they didn't
[49:07] Speaker 2: score again for them, I'm like, yeah, game over. But
[49:10] Speaker 2: at 3-0, you're like, are we?
[49:11] Speaker 4: No. No. Like, that's what I'm saying.
[49:12] Speaker 2: Now, no.
[49:20] Speaker 4: Up three. Now, for teams that have came back 3-1, right,
[49:25] Speaker 4: you have to give real credit to those teams. That
[49:29] Speaker 4: they was engaged mentally enough, right, to actually– win game
[49:36] Speaker 4: five just would just win game five that that is
[49:39] Speaker 4: the that is the real one winning game five is
[49:41] Speaker 4: the real one and i want to know now out
[49:43] Speaker 4: of the 13 teams that won where was game five
[49:48] Speaker 4: because it's easier to win it at home.
[49:49] Speaker 2: Because it's your your home i want to know how
[49:52] Speaker 2: many was i can think of one It was on
[49:56] Speaker 2: a roll for Game 5, but that's... No, they were
[49:58] Speaker 2: on a roll.
[49:58] Speaker 4: They were on a roll. But that one was... You
[50:01] Speaker 4: can see that one. That wasn't as big of a
[50:04] Speaker 4: deal as everyone thinks it is. Because back then, Draymond
[50:07] Speaker 4: Green was a minus 9 to the team because he
[50:13] Speaker 4: led in every category but scoring.
[50:15] Speaker 2: So with Curry out of the lineup, there was only
[50:19] Speaker 2: minus 3 to the books.
[50:20] Speaker 4: With Draymond Green out of the lineup, there was a
[50:22] Speaker 4: minus 9 to the books. So with him being suspended,
[50:25] Speaker 4: they had damn near no chance of winning game five.
[50:28] Speaker 2: Now Draymond comes back. He was suspended game six, right?
[50:31] Speaker 2: Game five. Game five.
[50:33] Speaker 4: Oh, shit. So him coming back game, so him missing that,
[50:36] Speaker 4: they had no chance. Him coming back game six, it
[50:40] Speaker 4: was a minus five and a half because he couldn't
[50:42] Speaker 4: play his game, right? Because if he did something stupid again,
[50:46] Speaker 4: he would have missed the final game.
[50:47] Speaker 2: So he was half of Draymond Green.
[50:49] Speaker 4: So it was kind of like minus four and a half.
[50:52] Speaker 2: So he got kicked out game four and they still lost?
[50:56] Speaker 2: He got the take. I think he played all game four.
[50:59] Speaker 4: Oh, so you get a take, you just get suspended.
[51:01] Speaker 2: They reviewed the film.
[51:02] Speaker 4: And then game seven, he's back to being who he is,
[51:06] Speaker 4: so it's an even thing, but again, one team is
[51:10] Speaker 4: on an actual high, so, you know. Well, It is,
[51:14] Speaker 4: but because I was... I was in them streets then.
[51:19] Speaker 3: You still got to win game six or game seven.
[51:22] Speaker 3: Your mom was on both of those. He was in
[51:24] Speaker 3: both of those.
[51:25] Speaker 4: Who?
[51:26] Speaker 2: Game six.
[51:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, he was half in game six because if he
[51:29] Speaker 4: did something stupid, he would have been out for game
[51:31] Speaker 4: seven if there was a game seven.
[51:32] Speaker 2: Sounds like a personal problem. Listen, I want somebody to...
[51:36] Speaker 2: I didn't say half. I want somebody to research it.
[51:40] Speaker 2: I put half a million dollars.
[51:42] Speaker 4: It's public.
[51:43] Speaker 2: And I said, no, it's public.
[51:45] Speaker 4: You can Google.
[51:46] Speaker 2: I studied.
[51:47] Speaker 4: I said, I said, if anybody, if anybody moving forward
[51:54] Speaker 4: takes Golden State that has anything minus three, four, five,
[51:58] Speaker 4: you losing your money. And I said, if the championship
[52:01] Speaker 4: falls on game on a Sunday, whoever the minus is,
[52:06] Speaker 4: is the loser.
[52:08] Speaker 1: I wrote that as soon as Draymond got suspended. Well,
[52:13] Speaker 1: the Cavs were the winners. But anyway, back to this
[52:15] Speaker 1: Thunder squad. He was half there in the final game.
[52:18] Speaker 4: Game six, half. You fuck up, get it taken. Imagine it.
[52:22] Speaker 4: You do one of them little elbows and shit. They
[52:24] Speaker 4: review it.
[52:25] Speaker 2: You know you out for game seven. So you think
[52:27] Speaker 2: he's working. So I was like, you have, you have.
[52:28] Speaker 3: So his whole body, he's just working. I might fuck
[52:31] Speaker 3: up an elbow or something.
[52:32] Speaker 4: I can't control myself.
[52:33] Speaker 2: He ain't never played like that.
[52:34] Speaker 4: I can't control myself.
[52:35] Speaker 11: He ain't never played like half draping.
[52:40] Speaker 4: I can't control myself. He ain't never been no half draping. Hey, listen.
[52:44] Speaker 4: If y'all never seen somebody play half, then you didn't
[52:48] Speaker 4: watch last night's game. That's how it looks when you
[52:52] Speaker 4: half dead, god damn it. Half the motherfuckers, half their
[52:56] Speaker 4: brain was still in love. You're not playing half, then
[52:59] Speaker 4: you're up. You're not playing half in no game.
[53:03] Speaker 2: You're not playing up. In the finals? See what it
[53:06] Speaker 2: look like out there.
[53:08] Speaker 1: Back to the Thunder, their team camaraderie and just the
[53:10] Speaker 1: future of this franchise. Do you think other guys around
[53:13] Speaker 1: the league are looking at this team? Because you guys
[53:15] Speaker 1: have previously said, OKC, not the most desirable destination to
[53:17] Speaker 1: play in.
[53:18] Speaker 2: I think we can all agree on that. But other
[53:20] Speaker 2: guys are looking at this team.
[53:20] Speaker 1: Miguel, you talked about some of those guys having to
[53:22] Speaker 1: take pay cuts amongst their big three. But other older
[53:25] Speaker 1: stars are looking at this squad saying, damn, I would
[53:26] Speaker 1: take a pay cut to be a part of that environment.
[53:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm going Oklahoma City.
[53:33] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[53:34] Speaker 2: That's why they got to do it through the draft.
[53:37] Speaker 4: No, it's just... That don't mean you knew. Smart man, Gil. Right.
[53:43] Speaker 2: That don't mean they play half. He had a hunch, motherfucker.
[53:46] Speaker 4: All right.
[53:47] Speaker 1: But when you see a team like this, winning environment,
[53:49] Speaker 1: guys look like they truly enjoy playing with each other.
[53:51] Speaker 2: Take a certain kind of guy, though.
[53:53] Speaker 4: Yeah. Right?
[53:55] Speaker 5: So you said it from afar. They are young, man.
[53:58] Speaker 5: So they built something together. And bring somebody that's established
[54:05] Speaker 5: already into that as a free agent is tough.
[54:09] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[54:10] Speaker 5: I think, but to do it through the draft where
[54:13] Speaker 5: you got to come in and buy in, I think
[54:15] Speaker 5: is the smart move.
[54:17] Speaker 2: Easier.
[54:18] Speaker 4: Easier.
[54:18] Speaker 5: Unless you go get a guy like Kevin Durant, but
[54:23] Speaker 5: other than that.
[54:24] Speaker 9: Yeah, because, I mean, and also whoever coming in, they
[54:28] Speaker 9: got to understand what team it is. I know he's 27, but,
[54:30] Speaker 9: you know, they, you know, should they go as he go.
[54:35] Speaker 9: So I just feel like with that culture that they're building, too,
[54:38] Speaker 9: like you just said, man, I'll just probably get somebody
[54:39] Speaker 9: off the draft. But if it's not like a KD
[54:42] Speaker 9: or somebody you could just, you know what I'm saying,
[54:44] Speaker 9: just put in position to be successful, then.
[54:46] Speaker 4: What about somebody like Russ Player Option, future uncertain?
[54:49] Speaker 2: Who?
[54:50] Speaker 4: Russ, but just.
[54:53] Speaker 1: Very low.
[54:53] Speaker 2: His personality, though, it's... That's going to be a bigger...
[54:57] Speaker 2: I think that's... KD more fitting for that.
[55:01] Speaker 4: It's... Because KD just want to hoop.
[55:04] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just about hooping, right? So, not to say
[55:07] Speaker 5: it's not that for Russ, but it's just the attention.
[55:11] Speaker 5: For both of them, it's extreme, but it's just the
[55:15] Speaker 5: negativity that people tend to throw at Russ will start
[55:22] Speaker 5: to creep his ugly head in, I think, to whatever degree.
[55:26] Speaker 4: I think in a good way, yeah. Would you go
[55:28] Speaker 4: get KD and Steven Adams? No, man. Bring them both back?
[55:32] Speaker 4: Let them die. Let them die. If I win, hell no.
[55:38] Speaker 3: Because you wasn't fucking with me when I was broke.
[55:41] Speaker 2: Now I'm up?
[55:42] Speaker 4: No.
[55:43] Speaker 2: Don't come over here.
[55:44] Speaker 4: Stay on that side.
[55:45] Speaker 2: Stay on that side.
[55:46] Speaker 1: OKC had the best defense in the NBA in both
[55:48] Speaker 1: the regular season and playoffs. Gave Ant-Man fits during the series.
[55:52] Speaker 1: And after the game, Ant-Man said they were like 15
[55:55] Speaker 1: puppets on a string defensively. So is it time to
[55:58] Speaker 1: start comparing OKC to the great defenses of the past?
[56:04] Speaker 2: I don't know yet. From what you see? They win
[56:08] Speaker 2: it all. They're well coached. They play together.
[56:11] Speaker 4: They fly around.
[56:11] Speaker 2: Where are they ranking defenses here?
[56:13] Speaker 4: Top defensive team in the league and the top defensive
[56:15] Speaker 4: team this postseason.
[56:17] Speaker 2: They're going.
[56:17] Speaker 4: They're out there. They ain't going to lie. They're out there.
[56:20] Speaker 2: They're doing, but let's let them do more with it.
[56:23] Speaker 2: They are trending up.
[56:25] Speaker 4: They are on one string, like he said, man. They defend,
[56:32] Speaker 4: and they have excellent on-the-ball defenders, and they have shot
[56:37] Speaker 4: block size on the back end.
[56:40] Speaker 3: Where's Indiana in the defense part?
[56:42] Speaker 4: Because they play some crazy teams, too.
[56:46] Speaker 2: You said they play some crazy teams? Indiana? Indiana? They
[56:49] Speaker 2: only give a lot of points because they play fast.
[56:51] Speaker 4: They think about OKC being number one on defenses. They young.
[56:54] Speaker 4: They going to keep getting better.
[56:55] Speaker 2: Injured, injured, and then healthy.
[56:59] Speaker 4: Oh, man. No.
[57:01] Speaker 2: They still had Giannis, motherfucker, out there.
[57:03] Speaker 4: Pacers 13th during the regular season. Defensive rating. And OKC young.
[57:08] Speaker 4: So they going to keep getting better on that defensive.
[57:12] Speaker 2: End.
[57:12] Speaker 4: Just buy in, man.
[57:14] Speaker 5: Once it gets better, yeah, Brandon, but They already bought in, right,
[57:20] Speaker 5: to this is how we gonna win. We good offensively,
[57:25] Speaker 5: but you can tell how they playing with Caruso, Dort, Williams,
[57:29] Speaker 5: all of them like hell of a on-ball guy, so
[57:34] Speaker 5: they are gonna just continuously impose their will, right?
[57:40] Speaker 2: So they figured it out, but once you.
[57:41] Speaker 5: Figure it out defensively on guys or how guys don't
[57:44] Speaker 5: like to be guarded, You're going to do that night in,
[57:49] Speaker 5: night out now. And them dudes are going to continue.
[57:51] Speaker 5: Now they're going to be– I'm saying Crusoe didn't play
[57:53] Speaker 5: enough games this year to be first team or second.
[57:56] Speaker 2: Team on defense. But he is that. Dort is that.
[57:59] Speaker 2: Williams just made it. So they– Stop. It's going to
[58:02] Speaker 2: be year in, year out. Because once you make it.
[58:04] Speaker 9: Yeah, but, you know, like the league, they change. Teams change.
[58:08] Speaker 9: Teams get better. And then sometimes, you know, they win
[58:11] Speaker 9: the championship. You know, they talk about the championship– hangover
[58:15] Speaker 9: hangover and stuff like that so but.
[58:17] Speaker 5: There's no voters fatigue with all defensive teams sure okay
[58:24] Speaker 5: like normally it's voters fatigue with MVPs and other first
[58:27] Speaker 5: out and there's no voters fatigue with defense players all
[58:30] Speaker 5: defensive teams okay because if you look at the history
[58:33] Speaker 5: it's just each year it's it might fluctuate first teams
[58:36] Speaker 5: they might have one guy here take but it's the
[58:40] Speaker 5: same guys because once you make it and it's emphasis
[58:43] Speaker 5: that you are a defender yeah.
[58:44] Speaker 4: How do you feel about Giannis not making it? It's crazy.
[58:47] Speaker 4: You know, the funny part about the defensive side is
[58:53] Speaker 4: they're lazy on that one. Yeah, that's why Mike got
[58:56] Speaker 4: like nine. Yeah, because it's like they don't get it.
[58:59] Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Who was there last year?
[59:01] Speaker 4: They don't watch enough games. to know who's out there.
[59:12] Speaker 5: So you're only watching these guys when they come to
[59:14] Speaker 5: your market, in your market on television, you go to
[59:18] Speaker 5: certain games. They don't watch enough to know who actually
[59:21] Speaker 5: is doing it.
[59:22] Speaker 9: See, but I don't like that because they watch enough
[59:24] Speaker 9: to know what you're doing to the opposite.
[59:26] Speaker 2: End, though.
[59:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's a stat. You can look at it.
[59:29] Speaker 9: No, yeah, because there's... They can't create a stat for deep.
[59:32] Speaker 5: They try, but it's still to the eye test, too,
[59:35] Speaker 5: as well. You can have a certain rating when you're
[59:38] Speaker 5: on the floor defensive. Your defensive rating can be this
[59:41] Speaker 5: per possession, but Until you watching it, you don't know
[59:44] Speaker 5: that Lou Dort is picking motherfucking this boy up goddamn
[59:47] Speaker 5: half court.
[59:49] Speaker 9: So why wouldn't they hire people who were defensive experts?
[59:52] Speaker 4: Oh, I agree. Like yourself. I agree. Or like guys
[59:56] Speaker 4: who play defense. Oh, I agree.
[59:57] Speaker 2: Why don't they.
[59:58] Speaker 4: Have, you know what I'm saying, because you guys would
[1:00:00] Speaker 4: be able to watch it and critique it better.
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Definitely.
[1:00:04] Speaker 4: Because we look at it through a certain, how y'all
[1:00:07] Speaker 4: look at it as a score, same shit.
[1:00:10] Speaker 5: I look at it through a different lens defensively. than
[1:00:13] Speaker 5: a lot of people, right? What makes a good defender?
[1:00:16] Speaker 5: What makes, he blew up this play because he didn't let,
[1:00:19] Speaker 5: like Gil always said, he didn't let the ball go here,
[1:00:22] Speaker 5: or I called out this play and let everybody alert
[1:00:25] Speaker 5: that this is about to happen, or I told him
[1:00:27] Speaker 5: not to do, there's no stat for that shit.
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: There's no, but.
[1:00:33] Speaker 5: Them dudes are excellent on the ball, man, and they
[1:00:35] Speaker 5: make it tough defensively, and once you built on that
[1:00:41] Speaker 5: and you got to this point of it, that desire
[1:00:45] Speaker 5: to shut guys down grows.
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:00:49] Speaker 9: Because I forgot why Giannis didn't make first all-in.
[1:00:53] Speaker 4: I'm just like, he just said he's been on there
[1:00:55] Speaker 4: all his life.
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: You know what's so funny? It's like a football team, right?
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: He made second team though, right?
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: Y'all just make second team our defense?
[1:01:05] Speaker 4: He did not. That's crazy.
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: It's like a football.
[1:01:08] Speaker 4: You can tell from a football scheme if someone misses
[1:01:12] Speaker 4: an assignment. If someone missed a block or someone missed
[1:01:17] Speaker 4: a check down, even if they scored a touchdown and
[1:01:20] Speaker 4: it was they scored on you. But they can look
[1:01:24] Speaker 4: at that and say it wasn't your fault. Someone else
[1:01:26] Speaker 4: didn't do it and you had to go. They can't
[1:01:27] Speaker 4: do that in basketball. Because one, we don't have a
[1:01:30] Speaker 4: standard playbook for you to know our defensive scheme. For
[1:01:34] Speaker 4: you to know who's playing well defensively, you got to
[1:01:38] Speaker 4: talk to your coach. Right? Because I can look like
[1:01:42] Speaker 4: a great defender, right?
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: Because nobody's going by me.
[1:01:46] Speaker 4: But I'm horrible at... When my big step up, I
[1:01:50] Speaker 4: don't snap back to get his man. So his man
[1:01:52] Speaker 4: is scoring. Got 20 on him. And I'm like, damn,
[1:01:55] Speaker 4: King can't play no defense. But that was my assignment.
[1:01:59] Speaker 4: Because his assignment is to stop my guy.
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: My assignment is to snap back.
[1:02:03] Speaker 5: So not to pick on Chuck, right? You know, everybody
[1:02:05] Speaker 5: know I love AI. Like, AI good. Passing lane, this, that,
[1:02:08] Speaker 5: and the third. You put him into action, and listen,
[1:02:11] Speaker 5: certain times, the motherfucker, hey, he over in that corner,
[1:02:15] Speaker 5: his man is gone.
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: He's standing that motherfucker over that little.
[1:02:18] Speaker 4: His man in the left. Ball watcher. Ball watcher.
[1:02:20] Speaker 5: He's still like that because he's trying to get the steal, right?
[1:02:23] Speaker 5: So now you put everybody else in on it. He's
[1:02:25] Speaker 5: all defensive team, steals leader, this, that, and people see
[1:02:29] Speaker 5: that shit and be like, Chuck, a great defender.
[1:02:32] Speaker 12: Right, right.
[1:02:34] Speaker 4: He played a pass away. Yeah, long-ass arms. You're going
[1:02:37] Speaker 4: at him up.
[1:02:37] Speaker 5: He's going to get a hand. He's good at those things, yes.
[1:02:40] Speaker 5: But it's just when you really break it down.
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: Who was first team this year?
[1:02:47] Speaker 4: Black Dress, that's Swaggy. Hold on one second. Have it
[1:02:49] Speaker 4: right here. Dyson. Yeah, that's him. That's him.
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: Evan Mobley, Dyson Daniels, Lou Dort, Draymond Green, and I'm
[1:02:56] Speaker 2: in Thompson. And second team? Second team.
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: Tumani Kamara, Rudy Gobert, Jaron Jackson Jr., Jalen Williams, and
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: Ibiza Zubac. He's a good defender, but he shouldn't be
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: on there with Giannis. No disrespect to Zubac, but if
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: you're telling me Giannis or Zubac. I'm going with Giannis.
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: Or the kid from Portland, right? That's the kid from Portland.
[1:03:14] Speaker 6: Kamara, yeah.
[1:03:14] Speaker 4: Kamara, yeah.
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: He shouldn't be on there.
[1:03:16] Speaker 5: They won fucking 13 games.
[1:03:18] Speaker 4: What defense y'all playing?
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: He was locking up.
[1:03:20] Speaker 4: No, he listened. He was locking up. Oh, he was.
[1:03:23] Speaker 4: He a problem on the ball. Have y'all watched him? Yeah.
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: Have y'all watched that kid play? He's got the problem. No, no, no.
[1:03:28] Speaker 5: I ain't gonna lie. Chance put it, like, sick in me.
[1:03:31] Speaker 5: He yeah, he wanted him over like I'd get a
[1:03:34] Speaker 5: well for bringing the ball up on him you getting
[1:03:36] Speaker 5: off of it Absolutely, come get this backcourt by free-throw line. Oh,
[1:03:41] Speaker 5: hey you want him off you soon as possible?
[1:03:44] Speaker 4: Giving the ball up.
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: You want him? We're all live you do.
[1:03:46] Speaker 4: Please get him off now Yeah Like, God damn, dude.
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: We're going to talk Wolves in just a second, but Gil,
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: you asked a question earlier. How many teams that came
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: back from 3-1, one game, five on the road? Three
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: of the 13 teams that came back from 3-1 deficits,
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: one game, five on the road. The Sixers in 1968,
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: the Rockets in 95, and the Cavs in 2016. Bubble
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: games obviously don't count because there was no home court.
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that makes sense. Because the Clippers thing
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: was that, right? What about the Rockets versus Clippers?
[1:04:28] Speaker 4: That's bubble. No. It was 2015, right? Yeah. There were
[1:04:34] Speaker 4: two games in the... No, no, no. Those aren't included.
[1:04:39] Speaker 4: Two of the 3-1 comebacks weren't here. Those are nuggets.
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: Because if it's at home, it's kind of easier to
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: win at home.
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: 2015 was Rockets-Clippers, but 2005 was in Houston. Oh, okay.
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: Let's keep this moving.
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[1:05:55] Speaker 1: So let's get to the Wolves, yet to reach the
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: NBA Finals in franchise history, despite being very close the
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: past two years. Anthony Edwards spoke on wanting to get
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: back to this place for teammate Mike Conley after the game.
[1:06:07] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to work my butt off this summer.
[1:06:12] Speaker 4: Nobody's going to work harder than me this summer. I'll
[1:06:13] Speaker 4: tell you that much.
[1:06:14] Speaker 6: So, yeah, I'll try to make it happen again for Mike.
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: We'll try to make it happen again for Mike. Ant
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: just completed his fifth season in the NBA, currently 23
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: years old. In that time, he's a three-time All-Star, two-time
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: All-NBA selection, won a gold medal in the 2024 Olympics,
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: and has been to consecutive Western Conference Finals. What are
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: you expecting from Ant-Man going forward? Same thing that he's
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: been doing. I like that.
[1:06:40] Speaker 2: Building, moving forward.
[1:06:44] Speaker 4: He's 23. He's done... shown that he does work his
[1:06:48] Speaker 4: ass off in the summer and gets better. So he
[1:06:54] Speaker 4: will be in the lab working on his flaws, and
[1:06:58] Speaker 4: he's going to come back better than he was this year,
[1:07:01] Speaker 4: not making the same mistakes he did, you know, this year,
[1:07:05] Speaker 4: next year. So, you know, that's all you can really
[1:07:08] Speaker 4: ask for, him to just be a better.
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: Version of himself. So.
[1:07:15] Speaker 2: His probably has nothing to do with the skill of basketball. Huh?
[1:07:19] Speaker 4: His problem is nothing with the skill set of basketball.
[1:07:25] Speaker 4: He can work all the shit he want to work
[1:07:26] Speaker 4: on this summer. You got to change his approach. So
[1:07:30] Speaker 4: that's internal. You can get in the lab all you want.
[1:07:34] Speaker 4: Work hard all you want. That's lab work. No, that ain't. Yeah,
[1:07:37] Speaker 4: it is.
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: How? Seeing yourself do it over and over and over.
[1:07:42] Speaker 4: Doing what? Huh? Doing what?
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: Everything.
[1:07:45] Speaker 4: It's a mindset.
[1:07:48] Speaker 2: But your mind comes from when you're doing it.
[1:07:51] Speaker 5: You can continue to put all the work in and
[1:07:52] Speaker 5: you won't.
[1:07:53] Speaker 4: That gives you confidence. No, no, no.
[1:07:58] Speaker 2: The shitty, it's continuously.
[1:08:01] Speaker 4: I'm going to go further than that. The shit early
[1:08:04] Speaker 4: in the season with Shea, that shit, it's no.
[1:08:08] Speaker 5: We sit there and say no. That has nothing to
[1:08:12] Speaker 5: do with basketball.
[1:08:13] Speaker 3: You're going to feel like at another level how you
[1:08:17] Speaker 3: feel after working hard.
[1:08:19] Speaker 4: You're going to feel like.
[1:08:20] Speaker 5: The Timberwolves or the fucking Cleveland Browns or the goddamn
[1:08:22] Speaker 5: National Basketball Association.
[1:08:27] Speaker 2: Turmoil.
[1:08:29] Speaker 5: Who you bring in, what it is, it's going to
[1:08:32] Speaker 5: always be something.
[1:08:35] Speaker 4: It's just laws, bro. It's just laws.
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: No, it's just you can't... Okay, we want to do
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: it for Mike.
[1:08:41] Speaker 4: Great.
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: But, like, I'm good.
[1:08:44] Speaker 4: I'm not bothered.
[1:08:45] Speaker 2: Like, does it hurt? No, it don't hurt. Like, no,
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: that's the wrong, like, no.
[1:08:49] Speaker 4: It is.
[1:08:50] Speaker 2: No, bro. That's the way these young kids are. I
[1:08:53] Speaker 2: get it.
[1:08:54] Speaker 5: But when you reach this pinnacle, and it's about winning
[1:08:58] Speaker 5: and losing. and you say, I want to.
[1:09:02] Speaker 2: Do it for Mike. I like Mike.
[1:09:06] Speaker 4: Mike Conley, great teammate. Cool.
[1:09:08] Speaker 2: I mean, he pissed off. Huh?
[1:09:10] Speaker 4: I said, it's pissed off. I hear you. You can't
[1:09:13] Speaker 4: see it because the nigga right there.
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: What? Mike right here. Trying to do it for Mike.
[1:09:18] Speaker 4: Cool, that's cool. Like, cool, I'm with it. He going
[1:09:21] Speaker 4: to be on the team next year? I'm with it.
[1:09:24] Speaker 4: Whatever it is, if he there or not, right?
[1:09:27] Speaker 5: I'm not asking him to go in that motherfucking flip
[1:09:29] Speaker 5: over tables and throw the mic.
[1:09:30] Speaker 2: Fuck you.
[1:09:31] Speaker 5: We ain't... No, not that. But it's... But it's a
[1:09:36] Speaker 5: consistent theme with him, right? Like, there's no guarantee you're
[1:09:41] Speaker 5: going to ever get back to the Western.
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: Conference Finals, dog.
[1:09:46] Speaker 5: Like, go ask Kevin Garnett how hard that shit was
[1:09:49] Speaker 5: when he was in Minnesota.
[1:09:51] Speaker 2: The furthest he made it is to where you are
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: right now. Once.
[1:09:55] Speaker 4: Eight playoffs in KG's career with 14 seasons with the Wolves.
[1:09:58] Speaker 4: And he got to this point that you are once.
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: And guess what?
[1:10:03] Speaker 5: The rest of that Western Conference that you do play in,
[1:10:05] Speaker 5: young man.
[1:10:07] Speaker 4: Is getting tougher. It ain't going to stay the same.
[1:10:12] Speaker 4: But he's going to do his part. He's going to
[1:10:15] Speaker 4: build a roster. Yes, I hear you.
[1:10:17] Speaker 2: Yes, I'm with you. Yes, absolutely.
[1:10:19] Speaker 4: You can get in the lab all the fuck you want, dawg.
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: Just for context.
[1:10:22] Speaker 4: You got in the lab all.
[1:10:24] Speaker 5: You wanted to, right? You still were a fucking child
[1:10:26] Speaker 5: in the locker room. Yeah, but I was a man
[1:10:28] Speaker 5: on the court. But it didn't change your mentality. But
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: it didn't affect me on the court. But you did
[1:10:32] Speaker 5: everything that you wanted. But the point is, it was
[1:10:36] Speaker 5: still a thing.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:10:38] Speaker 4: Which part of it? You. The person.
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: Not on the court. It's two different people. The person, though,
[1:10:44] Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is it's
[1:10:46] Speaker 2: two different people. Who you are off the court.
[1:10:49] Speaker 5: But his mentality on the floor, bad analysis. His mentality
[1:10:53] Speaker 5: on the floor and the way he think and the
[1:10:55] Speaker 5: way he relay it.
[1:10:56] Speaker 2: How he plays it.
[1:10:58] Speaker 4: Play how?
[1:10:59] Speaker 2: But isn't that youth still?
[1:11:02] Speaker 5: There's no guarantee you're going to get back to this point,
[1:11:04] Speaker 5: so let's take it a little more.
[1:11:06] Speaker 9: Well, I think before he does all that, he got
[1:11:08] Speaker 9: to get and go to your point about the mental part.
[1:11:11] Speaker 4: Not really the game, but off the court. And I'm
[1:11:13] Speaker 4: speaking from experience from having... the outside.
[1:11:17] Speaker 9: I think a lot of the outside noise got to
[1:11:20] Speaker 9: him too.
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: A lot.
[1:11:21] Speaker 9: I'm just speaking from experience. I think a lot of
[1:11:26] Speaker 9: that was a lot of the issues too. But to
[1:11:29] Speaker 9: go to your point too, he definitely needs to approach it.
[1:11:32] Speaker 9: But also it starts from home.
[1:11:33] Speaker 4: 23.
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest thing though.
[1:11:35] Speaker 4: It's a 23 year old trying to figure out what
[1:11:37] Speaker 4: he is. Right now it's more of.
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: Superman style. I know what you're saying.
[1:11:48] Speaker 4: Right now he's in Superman mode where he don't believe
[1:11:52] Speaker 4: he can get hurt.
[1:11:53] Speaker 2: He knows he.
[1:11:54] Speaker 4: Can go out there and get drunk and party and
[1:11:56] Speaker 4: do that and still perform. He's not where Shea is.
[1:12:02] Speaker 4: He's not where LeBron is. He's not where Curry and
[1:12:06] Speaker 4: Tatum and Brown and where they're disciplined mentally. Where their
[1:12:11] Speaker 4: game be disciplined.
[1:12:13] Speaker 2: At 23 years old you're speaking of. At his age
[1:12:16] Speaker 2: right now. He's 23. He's going on 24. Yeah, see,
[1:12:17] Speaker 2: we don't know if Shea was disciplined at 23. Right?
[1:12:19] Speaker 2: Three years ago, he was averaging 30 in the NBA.
[1:12:24] Speaker 2: At 23?
[1:12:25] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:12:25] Speaker 2: He's just now 26. Three straight seasons, averaging 34.
[1:12:28] Speaker 4: Absolutely. I can do simple math like a motherfucker. But
[1:12:31] Speaker 4: he can be 27 right now, so he can be 24, 25. Yeah,
[1:12:32] Speaker 4: he can be 27 soon.
[1:12:33] Speaker 5: But it's still the same thing. He's in his fifth year.
[1:12:36] Speaker 5: But it ain't like he's... And he just finished his
[1:12:39] Speaker 5: fifth year. But nobody did carry their team. You can
[1:12:42] Speaker 5: say all that shit off the court. He carried his
[1:12:44] Speaker 5: team to the Western Conference Final at 23. But there's
[1:12:47] Speaker 5: no guarantee you're going to get back.
[1:12:49] Speaker 4: He said, I'm going to get back. There's no guarantee. No,
[1:12:51] Speaker 4: but you know, that's just you.
[1:12:53] Speaker 2: That's just talk.
[1:12:54] Speaker 4: That's just talk. You know when I sign a contract
[1:12:58] Speaker 4: and be, I'm here to win a championship. Shut the
[1:13:01] Speaker 4: fuck up.
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: For context, the reporter asked a question that was skewed
[1:13:06] Speaker 1: towards Mike Conley and him being late in his career.
[1:13:08] Speaker 1: That's why I kind of answered it.
[1:13:09] Speaker 2: The way he did. It was Mark Spears that asked
[1:13:13] Speaker 2: the question. Did you fuck out after they cut you
[1:13:16] Speaker 2: from an Olympic scene? What you do?
[1:13:18] Speaker 4: Mark J. Spears.
[1:13:19] Speaker 2: I'm talking about when he had 81 that summer.
[1:13:22] Speaker 1: But I'm saying we're just geared towards Conley and him
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: being later in stages of his career.
[1:13:25] Speaker 5: But you know, it's just when I get mental comes
[1:13:30] Speaker 5: when you other guy, other guys at that age that's
[1:13:32] Speaker 5: been around for that amount of time that we think
[1:13:36] Speaker 5: is supposed to be that they're supposed to.
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: You just want to do it.
[1:13:39] Speaker 4: I don't.
[1:13:40] Speaker 2: Tell me something different.
[1:13:41] Speaker 4: Tell me something different. You said tell me something different.
[1:13:43] Speaker 4: Tell me something different. Don't maturity come in going through stuff?
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: Like losing?
[1:13:48] Speaker 4: Don't you mature from losing? Like, we want to do
[1:13:52] Speaker 4: it for Mike, but listen, I... What was he supposed
[1:13:54] Speaker 4: to say? I don't think Mike would have been brought
[1:13:57] Speaker 4: up if Mike wasn't there.
[1:13:59] Speaker 2: No, it's... Like, Mike, this is.
[1:14:03] Speaker 4: We don't know how much longer Mike gonna be around. Good.
[1:14:05] Speaker 2: I'm not saying that part of it.
[1:14:07] Speaker 4: Good. The words that I said, great, cool. You feel
[1:14:11] Speaker 4: that way about your teammate. Right?
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[1:14:14] Speaker 5: He's been around. You don't know how much longer he's
[1:14:16] Speaker 5: going to play. I'm all with that message for us.
[1:14:21] Speaker 5: I'm with that shit. Absolutely.
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: I'm with it. Mike is our guy. He's our leader.
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: He's been around the longest.
[1:14:28] Speaker 5: The turmoil he went through in Memphis, never getting over
[1:14:30] Speaker 5: the top. Justin Mathan, all of that.
[1:14:35] Speaker 4: Shit, great.
[1:14:35] Speaker 13: Cool.
[1:14:37] Speaker 5: But for me to be the guy that I am
[1:14:40] Speaker 5: for the Minnesota Timberwolves franchise and who what they expect
[1:14:46] Speaker 5: of me, right? I don't know what he said in
[1:14:50] Speaker 5: the locker room. I don't know what his message was
[1:14:52] Speaker 5: to his teammates, if he said anything. But the way
[1:14:58] Speaker 5: sports media is, us, nowadays, and being able to critique
[1:15:03] Speaker 5: his words and his play and put what we just saw,
[1:15:08] Speaker 5: the last two games, the game minus the blowout game,
[1:15:13] Speaker 5: what we saw.
[1:15:15] Speaker 5: And what your words are after you lose is like,
[1:15:19] Speaker 5: this kid don't get it. Yeah, it says it.
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:15:22] Speaker 2: It says it.
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: This is a kid.
[1:15:23] Speaker 2: It's you.
[1:15:25] Speaker 5: So when, but not making the excuse that you're a kid,
[1:15:30] Speaker 5: but your basketball.
[1:15:32] Speaker 4: Experience says that, no, says that you're not a kid. No,
[1:15:36] Speaker 4: your basketball experience shows you are a kid. Because, yes.
[1:15:41] Speaker 4: Let me show you why. We're watching a Brunson, right?
[1:15:46] Speaker 4: We're watching a Shea. We've seen what the elite do.
[1:15:52] Speaker 4: One thing he did that the elite don't do is
[1:15:57] Speaker 4: listen to the media, right? You're in this game. You're
[1:16:01] Speaker 4: saying you're one of the best. We've seen what Shea did, right?
[1:16:06] Speaker 4: There was no way Shea was going to take 7-13
[1:16:09] Speaker 4: shots ever. Now when his team knows... And when they
[1:16:17] Speaker 4: know they need him, where he is the best, you
[1:16:19] Speaker 4: follow my lead. I'm not following the media's lead to
[1:16:24] Speaker 4: do all this. You were supposed to come out and
[1:16:27] Speaker 4: take 25, 27 shots. That's the only way you was
[1:16:32] Speaker 4: going to win. So the immaturity is... Thinking that I
[1:16:36] Speaker 4: can do it your way. Yeah.
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: Play the right way.
[1:16:40] Speaker 4: That's bullshit.
[1:16:41] Speaker 2: The right way is you being dominant.
[1:16:43] Speaker 4: Right? The immaturity is, I'm going to prove that I
[1:16:47] Speaker 4: can do it this way.
[1:16:49] Speaker 2: No. That's where immaturity is.
[1:16:52] Speaker 4: When you fall for that game where if you take
[1:16:56] Speaker 4: 15 shots and pass the ball to everyone else, we
[1:16:59] Speaker 4: have a chance to win.
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: No, the fuck you don't.
[1:17:01] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:17:02] Speaker 5: No, the fuck you don't. But who's telling him that, though?
[1:17:06] Speaker 5: We ain't said that shit on here. There's other mouths
[1:17:10] Speaker 5: out there. But we all know when it's... Throughout history,
[1:17:18] Speaker 5: even if people want to say what they want to
[1:17:20] Speaker 5: throw James Harden into that conversation, when it's on the line,
[1:17:23] Speaker 5: he don't show up.
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever. We know James.
[1:17:25] Speaker 4: James can hoop. We know that.
[1:17:28] Speaker 2: We are... you guys, the guys, are held to a
[1:17:35] Speaker 2: different standard.
[1:17:37] Speaker 4: Right? He fits that.
[1:17:38] Speaker 2: That standard that we expect how it, us as players,
[1:17:42] Speaker 2: going to judge.
[1:17:43] Speaker 4: You on it.
[1:17:44] Speaker 2: Right? Because we've been there.
[1:17:45] Speaker 5: We've been the guy next to, whatever it is, we
[1:17:48] Speaker 5: were dependent to help, try to help us win. However
[1:17:54] Speaker 5: it went, we went down that motherfucking swing.
[1:17:57] Speaker 4: Swinging.
[1:17:58] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:18:00] Speaker 5: And I don't know if he's going to have that
[1:18:03] Speaker 5: look in the mirror moment. I don't know because how
[1:18:08] Speaker 5: he played and the words that come out of your mouth.
[1:18:11] Speaker 2: After this point, I'm going to get in the lab. Cool.
[1:18:17] Speaker 5: Nobody's going to work harder than me. Everybody work hard.
[1:18:23] Speaker 5: Everybody else that lost fucking said that exact thing but
[1:18:28] Speaker 5: that's what i'm saying right so those words are just
[1:18:32] Speaker 5: to me it's lip service it's what i'm supposed to
[1:18:35] Speaker 5: fucking say in this moment no it's on fucking me
[1:18:40] Speaker 5: i didn't get it done for my guys and mike
[1:18:43] Speaker 5: i gotta do i didn't approach this shit the way
[1:18:46] Speaker 5: this is what we the guys that we, this is
[1:18:49] Speaker 5: what they're going to go in there and say. They're
[1:18:51] Speaker 5: going to take on us whether they feel that way
[1:18:53] Speaker 5: or fucking not. They're going to put the onus on them.
[1:18:58] Speaker 4: I like reading into just little phrases because we don't
[1:19:01] Speaker 4: know the whole clip.
[1:19:04] Speaker 5: We don't, but I'm just watching his play.
[1:19:06] Speaker 2: I didn't see Kobe do that, too, though. I watched
[1:19:09] Speaker 2: the press conference. So, not just the word. So, it's
[1:19:13] Speaker 2: the way you.
[1:19:13] Speaker 5: Played on top of the words, right? Like a fucking Sunday.
[1:19:20] Speaker 5: Making this motherfucker. We like, okay, game one. We like,
[1:19:24] Speaker 5: this is now game five.
[1:19:25] Speaker 4: You.
[1:19:27] Speaker 5: And then you come to press conference after this. Cherry, motherfuckers.
[1:19:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:19:31] Speaker 4: Like, I'm here for this.
[1:19:34] Speaker 2: That's hard.
[1:19:35] Speaker 4: It's hard, but we've been. But just like anything, you'd
[1:19:38] Speaker 4: be surprised what turns a motherfucker into a man.
[1:19:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:19:42] Speaker 4: Right? I hope it's this. Because I can tell you
[1:19:45] Speaker 4: the moment that happened with me was USA Basketball. And
[1:19:51] Speaker 4: what's so funny.
[1:19:52] Speaker 2: Is people think I got cut. I didn't get cut.
[1:19:55] Speaker 4: The idea of that I was possibly one of the
[1:19:59] Speaker 4: people that was going to get cut is what fucking
[1:20:01] Speaker 4: set me off. Right? The fact that there's only three.
[1:20:05] Speaker 2: Of us that are two-time All-NBA players. Here. I'm one
[1:20:11] Speaker 2: of them.
[1:20:11] Speaker 4: And I'm saying, I'm taking the back seat. I'll be
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: the clap boy. I've been fucking y'all up in practice.
[1:20:17] Speaker 4: I am him in practice on that second squad. I'm
[1:20:20] Speaker 4: giving these niggas a run for their money. But I
[1:20:23] Speaker 4: understand this is a team thing, right? I'm just going
[1:20:26] Speaker 4: to do my part. If you need me, whatever role.
[1:20:29] Speaker 4: If you go back and look, when D-Wade got hurt
[1:20:32] Speaker 4: and it was like, Gil, come in. I came in
[1:20:34] Speaker 4: and hit a shot, got an offensive rebound, picked up Barbosa,
[1:20:38] Speaker 4: stole a ball, and we ended up winning that game
[1:20:40] Speaker 4: just in the two minutes that I'm doing my part.
[1:20:43] Speaker 4: So when I'm like, oh, man, I don't want to.
[1:20:45] Speaker 4: You know, I got a little groin injury. I don't
[1:20:47] Speaker 4: want to hold up a spot.
[1:20:48] Speaker 2: You know, I know, you know, you know, motherfuckers in
[1:20:50] Speaker 2: here trying to make teams, you.
[1:20:51] Speaker 4: Know, right?
[1:20:53] Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, you know, if you need to
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: go back, it's cool with us. Because, you know, he
[1:20:58] Speaker 2: was one of the bubble players.
[1:21:01] Speaker 4: One of the what? Oh, yeah.
[1:21:04] Speaker 2: Bubble. Yeah, I'm out of here.
[1:21:11] Speaker 4: Left.
[1:21:12] Speaker 2: I don't know how long that flight was.
[1:21:14] Speaker 4: Felt like 20 minutes. Because all I'm thinking is all
[1:21:17] Speaker 4: these niggas. I'm putting my workout together. I ain't sleep
[1:21:20] Speaker 4: when I landed. First couple weeks, I was in the gym,
[1:21:24] Speaker 4: went to meditation, and it was demon time.
[1:21:26] Speaker 2: Oh, I dig it. You know what I mean? So
[1:21:28] Speaker 2: we don't know what is going to turn, but we
[1:21:30] Speaker 2: know when we see it. Yeah, we know.
[1:21:31] Speaker 4: We come out the beginning of.
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: The season, that motherfucker got 38, 40, 40.
[1:21:35] Speaker 4: We go, all right. Because we've seen it with Shea.
[1:21:37] Speaker 4: Shea loses last year. This is this year.
[1:21:40] Speaker 2: Jokic got his ass whipped by Dwight Howard in the bubble.
[1:21:43] Speaker 4: MVP, MVP, lost it.
[1:21:45] Speaker 2: MVP, MVP, lost it.
[1:21:47] Speaker 4: I guarantee you next year he's going to be on
[1:21:49] Speaker 4: some dumb shit. I dig it.
[1:21:51] Speaker 2: I'm with you. Hopefully this is it.
[1:21:53] Speaker 5: We are held to a different standard, young man. Who
[1:21:55] Speaker 5: was on your hit list? He didn't have... He don't...
[1:21:57] Speaker 5: At 23, he's more like me.
[1:22:12] Speaker 4: At a 23 versus a Shea at 23. We can
[1:22:15] Speaker 4: tell a Shea, a Cole, right, even a Tatum. Like,
[1:22:18] Speaker 4: you know who's mature and who's immature, right?
[1:22:21] Speaker 2: He's on that side. He's on my side versus on the.
[1:22:25] Speaker 4: I dig it.
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: They had a chance to learn from.
[1:22:31] Speaker 4: What?
[1:22:32] Speaker 2: Ant-Man is the team coming in. Who did Ant-Man come
[1:22:34] Speaker 2: into the league with?
[1:22:35] Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he was able to play with... No,
[1:22:39] Speaker 4: it didn't. His only real vet has been Mike. Mike
[1:22:41] Speaker 4: don't have the talent that can get him to settle down.
[1:22:44] Speaker 4: When you're talking about Shea, he's coming in with....
[1:22:58] Speaker 2: Lou, Chris Paul. He got Lou, Chris Paul. He got Stamite.
[1:23:01] Speaker 4: Then he goes with, right, so he's learning how to
[1:23:03] Speaker 4: be a pro, you know, understanding mannerism. His mannerism is
[1:23:07] Speaker 4: just like Lou's. It's chill, chill back, chill, right? So
[1:23:11] Speaker 4: that kind of fit with him. So it's easier for
[1:23:13] Speaker 4: him to just be straight across the board. He don't
[1:23:16] Speaker 4: go high. He don't go low. Knows what to say.
[1:23:18] Speaker 4: As I said, like if you keep your eyes closed,
[1:23:20] Speaker 4: you will really think that he is the face of
[1:23:25] Speaker 4: the league. He ain't going to say nothing real dramatic.
[1:23:29] Speaker 4: If he does say something, everybody's going to be like, yeah, okay, yeah.
[1:23:35] Speaker 4: His cadence as Kobe is not done yet. We're still building.
[1:23:39] Speaker 2: We're going to be real scary in the next few.
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: He has the cadence of that.
[1:23:42] Speaker 1: One thing we know and has done well is marketing.
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: His personality and commercial is always on point. Yesterday after
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: the game, SGA's team at Converse dropped this. Not hard
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: to believe SJ is headed to the finals.
[1:24:01] Speaker 4: That is an ant. Nothing left to say.
[1:24:04] Speaker 2: Unbelievable. And of course with the believe that.
[1:24:09] Speaker 4: Wow. I like it.
[1:24:10] Speaker 2: Converse get some smoke from here.
[1:24:12] Speaker 4: Converse ain't getting no smoke. That's Nike. It is still
[1:24:15] Speaker 4: Adidas but I like that. That's up my alley. Fuck
[1:24:30] Speaker 4: the other one. Right? I would have had a motherfucking
[1:24:33] Speaker 4: shoe stopped. That's the one thing I felt like it
[1:24:37] Speaker 4: was missing.
[1:24:38] Speaker 2: Stomp the shoe. My shoe would have stomped that shit.
[1:24:40] Speaker 4: That's Anna McCrude.
[1:24:42] Speaker 2: Yep.
[1:24:42] Speaker 4: Cool. Because that's the same animal crew that we gave
[1:24:45] Speaker 4: that motherfucking real life. Cool. That asshole.
[1:24:48] Speaker 2: But you can tell that shit like.
[1:24:51] Speaker 4: Now.
[1:24:51] Speaker 2: Like, just show a little bit.
[1:24:53] Speaker 4: But you got to remember, I think on both sides anyway.
[1:24:56] Speaker 4: So just like with the Knicks and stuff, I'm like, oh,
[1:24:58] Speaker 4: I'm going to the Kendrick concert, so I'm not going
[1:25:00] Speaker 4: to be able to watch the game.
[1:25:01] Speaker 2: So I pre-did a video.
[1:25:05] Speaker 4: For Pacers.
[1:25:06] Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of.
[1:25:06] Speaker 4: Switched it for Knicks. So whoever won, I'm posting it
[1:25:09] Speaker 4: in real time. Like, yeah. Hey.
[1:25:12] Speaker 5: And I FaceTimed your punk ass at the concert and
[1:25:15] Speaker 5: you didn't answer the phone.
[1:25:15] Speaker 4: You did not answer?
[1:25:16] Speaker 2: Was Kendrick going? Not yet. He hadn't got on yet.
[1:25:19] Speaker 2: Do you get incoming FaceTimes? Yeah. But not incoming phone calls?
[1:25:23] Speaker 2: Did the concert not start yet? No.
[1:25:25] Speaker 4: No, no, no.
[1:25:26] Speaker 2: You can't get out of this. I was probably talking
[1:25:27] Speaker 2: to the white man. No, no, no, no. So you're
[1:25:29] Speaker 2: ignoring me for the white man? No, no, because.
[1:25:32] Speaker 3: I got to say this.
[1:25:34] Speaker 4: No, no. No, no. If it's in my pocket, I
[1:25:36] Speaker 4: don't have the username.
[1:25:37] Speaker 2: I got to be on it that I can see it.
[1:25:38] Speaker 6: He got the money.
[1:25:39] Speaker 4: So the only time I was on the phone is
[1:25:40] Speaker 4: when Scissor was going. No, no, this is when Scissor
[1:25:43] Speaker 4: was going.
[1:25:44] Speaker 2: I didn't expect Scissor like that.
[1:25:45] Speaker 4: No, that was the only time I was on my phone.
[1:25:46] Speaker 2: I'm supposed to know anyone can't trick you. Two black
[1:25:48] Speaker 2: people right now. I'm just saying.
[1:25:50] Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: Is there an Ant-Man versus SGA rivalry brewing in the West?
[1:25:55] Speaker 2: No, I didn't expect that. Once he disrespects Shea, that's
[1:25:57] Speaker 2: when he... He respect them too much.
[1:26:00] Speaker 4: No, they play two different positions. It's not that rivalry.
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: Because there's nothing that happened in that game for them.
[1:26:09] Speaker 4: If they face each other next year and the same
[1:26:12] Speaker 4: thing happened, then as a player, you.
[1:26:14] Speaker 2: Start taking this shit personal.
[1:26:17] Speaker 4: One played well, one didn't. Yeah. Accurate assessment of this year.
[1:26:22] Speaker 4: He gave them too much respect.
[1:26:24] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. I don't think he respected
[1:26:26] Speaker 2: him enough to....
[1:26:29] Speaker 4: We know what he look like when he respects somebody
[1:26:32] Speaker 4: and that's the difference. When he respects somebody, he's going
[1:26:35] Speaker 4: to say something like, I want to see Kyrie. I
[1:26:39] Speaker 4: want to see KD. I want to see LeBron James. No,
[1:26:42] Speaker 4: but it's still because I respect him, so I'm coming
[1:26:45] Speaker 4: with it. Shay, he's like, I'm trying to gain their respect.
[1:26:49] Speaker 2: Him?
[1:26:50] Speaker 4: We on the same level. We both ain't done shit.
[1:26:52] Speaker 2: That's not big, bro. No.
[1:26:55] Speaker 4: But think about what I'm saying. You're looking at him
[1:26:58] Speaker 4: as his peer. Like, we on the same level. Like,
[1:27:00] Speaker 4: we're on the same level. I'm not fucking with you
[1:27:02] Speaker 4: like that.
[1:27:03] Speaker 2: He still got to let them know.
[1:27:05] Speaker 4: If he get it done, I'm definitely, hey, man, that's
[1:27:06] Speaker 4: a little broke. Nah. That's what I'm saying. That's a
[1:27:09] Speaker 4: little bro, man.
[1:27:10] Speaker 13: That's a little bro, bro.
[1:27:13] Speaker 4: Now, moving forward, when Shea wins it, not if, when
[1:27:17] Speaker 4: Shea wins this championship, now he's on my radar.
[1:27:21] Speaker 2: So Gil went from 0% to 100%. You know I'm complimenting.
[1:27:23] Speaker 4: Hey, Gil, we need to change it. They was killing us.
[1:27:25] Speaker 2: Okay, you know what? Let me put my disclaimer on it.
[1:27:27] Speaker 4: I am a Laker fan.
[1:27:37] Speaker 2: That's my team.
[1:27:39] Speaker 4: So my team always has a 100% chance of winning
[1:27:44] Speaker 4: a championship as long as they're in it.
[1:27:46] Speaker 2: As the fans. As long as they're in the championship,
[1:27:48] Speaker 2: they have 100%.
[1:27:50] Speaker 4: Team Shea, the player.
[1:27:53] Speaker 2: OKC, don't give two shits about. OK?
[1:27:57] Speaker 4: Boston, take them.
[1:27:59] Speaker 2: Don't give a fuck about the rest of them.
[1:28:01] Speaker 4: Right? Cavs. Fuck them. Donovan Mitchell. What's happening? Indiana.
[1:28:06] Speaker 2: Holly. Don't give a fuck about the Pacers.
[1:28:09] Speaker 4: Okay? So if I say they have a 0% chance,
[1:28:12] Speaker 4: that's because my team is in it.
[1:28:14] Speaker 2: As soon as my team is.
[1:28:15] Speaker 4: Out, now I got to reassess and reevaluate the situation.
[1:28:19] Speaker 2: There was some reassessing. I had to reassess.
[1:28:21] Speaker 4: What?
[1:28:21] Speaker 2: You said they had a 0%? Bitch, the Lakers are
[1:28:23] Speaker 2: still playing. It don't matter.
[1:28:24] Speaker 4: 0%, though?
[1:28:28] Speaker 2: That's crazy. That is wild.
[1:28:30] Speaker 4: We didn't say zero. Zero? Yeah, we did say zero.
[1:28:32] Speaker 4: We did say zero. We said zero. Yeah, we was okay.
[1:28:34] Speaker 2: We said we had no chance because.
[1:28:40] Speaker 4: Bob Hope couldn't know.
[1:28:41] Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
[1:28:41] Speaker 2: You were killing me about Caruso. Let me ask a
[1:28:44] Speaker 2: real thing.
[1:28:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, we was wrong. Hey, what is your chances.
[1:28:48] Speaker 2: The Knicks winning tonight's game. They're absolutely going to win,
[1:28:51] Speaker 2: no question. Okay.
[1:28:52] Speaker 4: You see? See, this is a real fan. You don't
[1:28:54] Speaker 4: believe that, Steve?
[1:28:54] Speaker 2: 100% chance.
[1:28:55] Speaker 11: You don't believe that. And if I ask what's the
[1:28:57] Speaker 11: chance of getting to the next series. We're going to
[1:28:58] Speaker 11: play them. Get to the next series.
[1:29:01] Speaker 2: Well, statistically, it's 4%.
[1:29:03] Speaker 4: In my mind, it's 100%, obviously. I'm a Knicks fan.
[1:29:06] Speaker 2: 100%.
[1:29:06] Speaker 4: 100%. He don't believe that.
[1:29:07] Speaker 2: He don't believe that.
[1:29:09] Speaker 4: They down 3-1. He don't believe that at all. He
[1:29:12] Speaker 4: don't believe that at all. He 100% believe in that 4%. Yes,
[1:29:15] Speaker 4: he does. Yes, he does. Man, nobody in New York
[1:29:17] Speaker 4: believe that. Every New Yorker does.
[1:29:19] Speaker 2: They do.
[1:29:20] Speaker 4: They do.
[1:29:20] Speaker 7: Spike do.
[1:29:20] Speaker 4: Man, y'all. Cleveland did you not listen to damn should
[1:29:25] Speaker 4: the whole time in the Cleveland series they down one?
[1:29:28] Speaker 4: He's still coming back. They have on a player. They
[1:29:31] Speaker 4: still think but then you're got everybody real a real
[1:29:35] Speaker 4: fan Don't you gotta kill him?
[1:29:37] Speaker 7: I still feel like the fact that you.
[1:29:39] Speaker 2: Didn't have a hundred percent.
[1:29:40] Speaker 4: No, no, no, no when did when I play on
[1:29:42] Speaker 4: the first story? Oh, I Oh, that's crazy.
[1:29:45] Speaker 2: That's an impressive flip.
[1:29:47] Speaker 4: That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? No, you got
[1:29:51] Speaker 4: to be realistic. A real fan is not realistic. You
[1:29:53] Speaker 4: think Cowboy fans are realistic? Do you think a Cowboy
[1:29:57] Speaker 4: fan is realistic? No.
[1:30:00] Speaker 2: No.
[1:30:00] Speaker 4: You think Clipper Darryl and the Clipper crew is realistic?
[1:30:05] Speaker 4: You think the Lakers? Oh, my God.
[1:30:10] Speaker 2: Huh?
[1:30:11] Speaker 3: When you seen us down 3-1, you thought we had
[1:30:12] Speaker 3: a chance.
[1:30:13] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:30:14] Speaker 2: I could tell you got zero brain. That's what happened.
[1:30:17] Speaker 4: Yes. A real fan.
[1:30:18] Speaker 2: Dope or what, Swaggy?
[1:30:19] Speaker 4: A real fan. Dope or dog food? You think your
[1:30:24] Speaker 4: son making it to the NBA?
[1:30:26] Speaker 2: See what I mean? Huh? Are you going to be
[1:30:29] Speaker 2: dope or dope?
[1:30:30] Speaker 4: No, not today. I just want to hear your answer.
[1:30:32] Speaker 4: It's Swaggy's birthday weekend. Are you going to be delusional
[1:30:37] Speaker 4: or are you going to be realistic? Okay?
[1:30:39] Speaker 11: It's Swaggy's birthday weekend. You think you got a chance, motherfucker?
[1:30:42] Speaker 11: You think you got a chance tomorrow, motherfucker? It's going
[1:30:46] Speaker 11: to be what I said.
[1:30:47] Speaker 4: Yes, you got a chance. Okay, God damn it. You're
[1:30:50] Speaker 4: on the dope too.
[1:30:51] Speaker 2: You talking about... Yeah.
[1:30:53] Speaker 4: If I want dope with the Lakers, God damn it,
[1:30:56] Speaker 4: you want dope.
[1:30:57] Speaker 11: Because the percentage of any of our kids making it
[1:31:01] Speaker 11: to the NBA is very little.
[1:31:02] Speaker 4: And the fact that your son only 10 but 16?
[1:31:06] Speaker 4: He's nine. He's nine. Nine now, he's nine again?
[1:31:09] Speaker 2: He's nine again.
[1:31:10] Speaker 4: So the fact that he's nine, going on 16, and
[1:31:14] Speaker 4: you think he has a chance to make it to
[1:31:18] Speaker 4: the NBA?
[1:31:19] Speaker 3: Our son's the same age, man.
[1:31:20] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:31:21] Speaker 2: All I'm saying is, exactly.
[1:31:24] Speaker 1: So speaking of reassessing, reevaluating, Julius Randle has $ 31 million
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: player option. He will likely decline to become an unrestricted
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: free agent.
[1:31:32] Speaker 4: Who?
[1:31:33] Speaker 2: Julius Randle.
[1:31:35] Speaker 1: So for the playoffs, Randall averaged 22.6 rebounds, 5 assists
[1:31:39] Speaker 1: on 50-39-88 shooting splits. But he also posted the two
[1:31:42] Speaker 1: lowest scoring games of his playoff career in the Western
[1:31:44] Speaker 1: Conference Finals, 6 in Game 2 and 5 in Game 4.
[1:31:48] Speaker 4: Should the Wolves run it back with Julius Randall? Well,
[1:31:51] Speaker 4: you're asking the wrong question. Rephrase that. Blow it out
[1:31:54] Speaker 4: of chance.
[1:31:55] Speaker 2: You said he is the op-ed now, right?
[1:31:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
[1:31:58] Speaker 2: So it's him that's op-ed. So should he run it
[1:32:00] Speaker 2: back with them?
[1:32:02] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[1:32:02] Speaker 2: Julius running back with the Wolves.
[1:32:04] Speaker 4: Yeah. He's free.
[1:32:05] Speaker 2: God damn it. This ain't no team option.
[1:32:08] Speaker 4: They got no choice. He's hitting that free market.
[1:32:10] Speaker 2: So, yeah, sorry, Joe.
[1:32:12] Speaker 4: I'm not sorry. I mean, it depends on what they
[1:32:14] Speaker 4: can get. I mean, at this point. What can they get?
[1:32:17] Speaker 4: I mean, I'm trying to get rid of some of them. Nah.
[1:32:21] Speaker 2: They got Rudy.
[1:32:22] Speaker 4: Should the Wolves offer him a contract? That's the only
[1:32:25] Speaker 4: one problem. Simple question there. What can you get for that?
[1:32:29] Speaker 4: Not on Swaggy's birthday weekend. You're not playing to be
[1:32:32] Speaker 4: a Swaggy. All bets are off tomorrow, motherfucker. What did
[1:32:35] Speaker 4: he have last night? 24. Yeah, that's a.
[1:32:38] Speaker 2: Great, that's a perfect opt-out. Made his name in the playoffs.
[1:32:43] Speaker 4: He had 22 for the playoffs. Yep, 24 for the playoffs.
[1:32:44] Speaker 4: You opting out?
[1:32:45] Speaker 1: $ 30.
[1:32:50] Speaker 2: Million.
[1:32:50] Speaker 4: $ 30 million. You had a good playoff series.
[1:32:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, with him, yeah. And there's no big free agents, really?
[1:32:55] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:32:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm up, yes. Yeah. If I'm him, yeah. If
[1:32:58] Speaker 2: I play like shit, no. Yeah.
[1:33:00] Speaker 4: Especially with these big contracts. Man, these contracts.
[1:33:03] Speaker 2: CBA bread going up.
[1:33:04] Speaker 4: Mid-level.
[1:33:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good. He's a good player.
[1:33:06] Speaker 4: Mid-level is what? Mid-level is 100 and shit.
[1:33:10] Speaker 2: No, he in a good place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:33:12] Speaker 4: He's in a good place.
[1:33:13] Speaker 2: They gave Jalen Daniels, what, 130 or some shit? Yeah,
[1:33:17] Speaker 2: he got Timberwolves by the balls.
[1:33:18] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[1:33:18] Speaker 2: Because... If he opts out and you don't sign him back, you.
[1:33:25] Speaker 4: Y'all the worst.
[1:33:26] Speaker 2: You have officially lost the trade.
[1:33:28] Speaker 4: Officially lost the trade and your growth is....
[1:33:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What can they get, though? There's no free...
[1:33:39] Speaker 2: Is there any for... There's no.
[1:33:41] Speaker 9: I don't know, but you got Ant over there, so
[1:33:42] Speaker 9: somebody will want to come play with Ant.
[1:33:45] Speaker 2: Want to come? Free agent.
[1:33:46] Speaker 4: It's still Minnesota. That has to be a sign-and-trade. They're
[1:33:50] Speaker 4: going to have to convince him for a sign-and-trade. Phoenix,
[1:33:53] Speaker 4: a potential destination. That has to be a sign-and-trade because
[1:33:56] Speaker 4: he can walk. So if he just say, fuck that, man,
[1:33:59] Speaker 4: I'm just going to go to the Lakers, right? I
[1:34:04] Speaker 4: take $ 5 million and go there.
[1:34:06] Speaker 2: There's nothing the Wolves can do on that. Oh, yeah.
[1:34:09] Speaker 2: I take Bradley at the 30th.
[1:34:11] Speaker 4: They can accept all to connect in a signing trade. Yeah.
[1:34:14] Speaker 1: So we have to chat. Did Randall play his last
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: game in Minnesota? 56% of the champs think that Julius
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: Randall played his last game.
[1:34:20] Speaker 2: Hell no.
[1:34:20] Speaker 4: I don't think so.
[1:34:21] Speaker 2: He going back to Minnesota.
[1:34:24] Speaker 4: Can he go back to New York, right, if he
[1:34:28] Speaker 4: wanted to? Could he what?
[1:34:29] Speaker 2: Is there a time limit on it?
[1:34:30] Speaker 4: Huh? Oh.
[1:34:38] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Is there any rules against that?
[1:34:44] Speaker 2: He would be free.
[1:34:45] Speaker 3: Julius has always made the fall guy.
[1:34:48] Speaker 2: He gets blamed all the time.
[1:34:50] Speaker 4: I'm surprised I haven't seen a collusion on something like
[1:34:53] Speaker 4: that yet. There is time, Ken. There is time.
[1:34:57] Speaker 2: Let's shift over to the Eastern Conference. You see what
[1:35:00] Speaker 2: I'm saying? Real collusion. He's not going to New York.
[1:35:05] Speaker 4: Who? Who? You going back? No, what I'm saying is,
[1:35:08] Speaker 4: think about what I'm saying. He got traded for a piece, right?
[1:35:11] Speaker 4: So that piece is there. And he's the free agent.
[1:35:13] Speaker 4: Let's say they didn't have a fallout.
[1:35:15] Speaker 2: This was just, you know, trade money-wise.
[1:35:18] Speaker 4: And he says, I'm going to go back for, you know,
[1:35:21] Speaker 4: league minimum because a team minimum because I got some
[1:35:24] Speaker 4: shit in the back end. That's... How come.
[1:35:29] Speaker 2: Did you go back to LA? People don't think like you, Gil. Huh?
[1:35:34] Speaker 2: Did you go back to L.A.? Lakers. Did that fit?
[1:35:40] Speaker 4: The reason I started thinking about that is when you said,
[1:35:41] Speaker 4: because shit, when Luka up, he can go back to Dallas.
[1:35:44] Speaker 4: I've never said that.
[1:35:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, you did. When?
[1:35:47] Speaker 4: You remember when he was a free agent and somebody, yeah,
[1:35:50] Speaker 4: he was like, oh shit, he can end up going
[1:35:51] Speaker 4: back to Dallas. I think I said it.
[1:35:53] Speaker 2: And I'm sitting here like.
[1:35:54] Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you, K.
[1:35:56] Speaker 2: I think I said that. And I was like, wait,
[1:35:57] Speaker 2: hold the fuck on.
[1:35:59] Speaker 4: I think I said it.
[1:36:00] Speaker 5: You got Andy Davis, that, and he still couldn't. Oh, no,
[1:36:03] Speaker 5: I said Anthony Davis will go back. Oh, one of them.
[1:36:06] Speaker 5: I said Anthony Davis will go back to the Lakers.
[1:36:08] Speaker 4: And I was like, the ideal of that is like, damn,
[1:36:10] Speaker 4: that's scary because there's no rule that.
[1:36:13] Speaker 2: Stops that from happening.
[1:36:14] Speaker 4: Well, you just got to take a pay cut to
[1:36:16] Speaker 4: execute LeBron.
[1:36:17] Speaker 2: Get some land. LeBron did it, right? LeBron's never taken
[1:36:21] Speaker 2: a pay cut.
[1:36:22] Speaker 4: 40 in a mule.
[1:36:22] Speaker 2: I was talking about the Cleveland. No, he didn't know.
[1:36:25] Speaker 4: He had to sign a trade. Like, if he would
[1:36:26] Speaker 4: have just left. And then went there, they would have
[1:36:29] Speaker 4: had Wiggins still. But no, he wanted to trade because
[1:36:33] Speaker 4: he wanted Kevin Love. Let's shift over to Eastern Conference Finals.
[1:36:37] Speaker 4: Game 5 tonight in the Garden. The Indiana Pacers holding
[1:36:41] Speaker 4: a 3-1 lead in the series. Knicks are at home
[1:36:44] Speaker 4: for this one, but dropped games 1 and 2 at
[1:36:46] Speaker 4: home in this series. Knicks have been giving some more
[1:36:49] Speaker 4: bench players some burn after Tibbs stuck to a tight
[1:36:52] Speaker 4: rotation throughout most of the regular season and playoffs at
[1:36:54] Speaker 4: this point. Karl-Anthony Towns, also questionable with the left knee contusion.
[1:36:57] Speaker 4: We broke down the film, Gil. You said, uh... After
[1:37:02] Speaker 4: all that. After all that.
[1:37:05] Speaker 2: See, so this is different. Like, you know, like.
[1:37:09] Speaker 2: If it was going to Indiana, yeah, it's a wrap.
[1:37:11] Speaker 2: But he's going back home, so he's going to try.
[1:37:13] Speaker 2: Because he's at the crib already. But, like, how Game
[1:37:15] Speaker 2: 5 is supposed to look? How it happened last night?
[1:37:18] Speaker 4: They out there.
[1:37:19] Speaker 5: Wouldn't be surprised if a motherfucker come walking out the
[1:37:21] Speaker 5: tunnel like fucking Willis Reed.
[1:37:25] Speaker 2: Got a whole cast on.
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: So how much pressure is on Tibbs to win game five? Mr. B,
[1:37:30] Speaker 1: you said that Tibbs could be on his way out
[1:37:32] Speaker 1: the door. The Knicks couldn't get it done. We had Mero,
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: our esteemed Knicks fan, here earlier this week. He said
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: that the team improved upon where they were last season,
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: but their roster also improved. So how much pressure on
[1:37:44] Speaker 1: Tibbs to win game five? I mean, not just Tibbs,
[1:37:48] Speaker 1: the Knicks.
[1:37:49] Speaker 4: It's the team. I mean, you don't want to lose
[1:37:51] Speaker 4: at home for a game five.
[1:37:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to get a win. You've got to
[1:37:53] Speaker 2: get a win.
[1:37:54] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
[1:37:54] Speaker 9: I think just for the city of New York. But,
[1:37:56] Speaker 9: I mean, this is a big game for Holly, man.
[1:37:59] Speaker 9: I feel like he can really put his stamp, you know,
[1:38:03] Speaker 9: of being one of the best, I mean, the best
[1:38:05] Speaker 9: pure point guard, best point.
[1:38:07] Speaker 4: Guard in the playoffs.
[1:38:09] Speaker 9: I know you've got SGA over there, but just the
[1:38:11] Speaker 9: way they've been running their team and the way he's
[1:38:13] Speaker 9: been answering the call in the playoffs.
[1:38:15] Speaker 4: Man, if he can get it done tonight in New York... Yeah,
[1:38:20] Speaker 4: it's up. Is Tibbs coaching for his job tonight? I
[1:38:23] Speaker 4: think he made a way to play. If a nigga
[1:38:26] Speaker 4: coaching for his job, I can tell you this.
[1:38:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over.
[1:38:30] Speaker 4: If he thinks his job is on the line, don't
[1:38:35] Speaker 4: ever Think you about to hear a... Ain't no fucking
[1:38:39] Speaker 4: sub then. Ain't no motherfucking sub.
[1:38:43] Speaker 2: I can tell you that right now. That's his problem.
[1:38:45] Speaker 13: We playing all five?
[1:38:48] Speaker 4: Listen, my job is on the line. And you really
[1:38:53] Speaker 4: think I'm going to go to the nigga that's named Shemitz?
[1:38:57] Speaker 4: Got them smits? That's his problem. Hey, Brunson, you too. Listen,
[1:39:05] Speaker 4: I need you motherfuckers to be on y'all team today.
[1:39:08] Speaker 4: I'm going 48. Listen, we win this game, bonuses for
[1:39:18] Speaker 4: you two motherfuckers. They ain't in his control. It is
[1:39:24] Speaker 4: in my control.
[1:39:26] Speaker 2: Listen, I'm riding you.
[1:39:27] Speaker 4: You better drink.
[1:39:29] Speaker 13: Your water, Campbell.
[1:39:30] Speaker 4: How many people are you playing? Six people today?
[1:39:33] Speaker 2: They in trouble.
[1:39:34] Speaker 4: Nick's in trouble.
[1:39:36] Speaker 2: He ain't got no switch-ups. It ain't time to do
[1:39:38] Speaker 2: it now.
[1:39:38] Speaker 4: It ain't time to do it now. You want to
[1:39:40] Speaker 4: see him play? I thought It ain't time to go
[1:39:46] Speaker 4: 94 deep now. Yeah, I've been going seven the whole playoff.
[1:39:50] Speaker 4: These niggas ain't plays the last game of the season.
[1:39:53] Speaker 2: Don't go back to it. I ain't played.
[1:39:55] Speaker 4: Him since the last game.
[1:39:57] Speaker 2: They deconditioned at this point.
[1:39:59] Speaker 13: You got to play.
[1:39:59] Speaker 4: What's the name off the bench? I put him out
[1:40:00] Speaker 4: there right now. No, thank you Marshall.
[1:40:08] Speaker 2: Hey, man. I got, listen, I got a guaranteed six,
[1:40:13] Speaker 2: and I got.
[1:40:14] Speaker 4: A half of one. So six and a half players.
[1:40:17] Speaker 2: I got six and a half. I got a six.
[1:40:20] Speaker 4: I got, you know what?
[1:40:20] Speaker 3: I got space here. You try to play Towns. I
[1:40:24] Speaker 3: got a six and a half. You try to play
[1:40:26] Speaker 3: Towns all the minutes.
[1:40:27] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:40:28] Speaker 13: His knee is already there. His knee is already there.
[1:40:31] Speaker 4: Tiffs.
[1:40:32] Speaker 2: There's one thing I'm not going to do.
[1:40:34] Speaker 4: Tiffs.
[1:40:35] Speaker 9: Tiffs.
[1:40:35] Speaker 4: Tiffs. I'm going to look at New York.
[1:40:39] Speaker 2: Y'all see what I'm dealing with?
[1:40:40] Speaker 4: Bring in Robertson. Bring in Robertson.
[1:40:43] Speaker 2: The more I watch the Pacers play.
[1:40:46] Speaker 4: Let Robertson play for me.
[1:40:49] Speaker 2: They remind me of my Nets team, dog.
[1:40:51] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:40:52] Speaker 2: Like, the more I watch them play.
[1:40:53] Speaker 4: No, they does.
[1:40:54] Speaker 2: They remind me of my Nets.
[1:40:55] Speaker 4: Teams, man.
[1:40:56] Speaker 2: The only thing they don't have, see, they stop at
[1:40:59] Speaker 2: the three-point line.
[1:41:00] Speaker 4: Y'all stop at the basket. Yeah, well, it's.
[1:41:03] Speaker 2: Just like Harry was trailing. Yeah, I mean, RJ taking it. Like,
[1:41:06] Speaker 2: we're going to carry.
[1:41:07] Speaker 5: Lucia's stopping at the three, Care's stopping at the three,
[1:41:09] Speaker 5: Van Horn was stopping at the three. Rodney Rodgers, when
[1:41:14] Speaker 5: he was with us, he was stopping at the three.
[1:41:16] Speaker 2: So it's... They don't have rim, they didn't have rim runners. Like,
[1:41:20] Speaker 2: I mean, Toppin, the guy, Toppin, so that's what, no, he, listen.
[1:41:23] Speaker 4: It's Toppin Hoopin.
[1:41:24] Speaker 5: And, yeah, no, they remind, they defend him, they play fast,
[1:41:28] Speaker 5: they fearless. Any given night, somebody gonna give you, anybody
[1:41:31] Speaker 5: can give you 30. So, yeah, they remind me of
[1:41:35] Speaker 5: my Nets teams, the man that made it to the finals, so. Yeah,
[1:41:38] Speaker 5: they in a good spot, man. The Knicks in trouble.
[1:41:41] Speaker 2: Like I told y'all the other day, I don't know.
[1:41:43] Speaker 2: Knickers in trouble.
[1:41:44] Speaker 4: No, I can tell you. It's going to be a
[1:41:47] Speaker 4: 15 game. It's going to be a 15 game either way.
[1:41:49] Speaker 4: It's going to be a 15-point game either way. It
[1:41:50] Speaker 4: ain't going to be one of them close. It's going
[1:41:53] Speaker 4: to be 15 either way. Because the game ended yesterday,
[1:41:55] Speaker 4: I don't see this one ending 3-1-2. I think this
[1:42:04] Speaker 4: is going to be a Saturday. Indiana, y'all can win home.
[1:42:07] Speaker 4: Have your three games at home. Knicks got three for
[1:42:09] Speaker 4: their fans. You get three.
[1:42:11] Speaker 5: I can't see them losing by 15 points, bro. Knicks
[1:42:14] Speaker 5: not 15 points better.
[1:42:15] Speaker 2: They not 15 points better because they stupid. It's the pace, man. No, no, no.
[1:42:18] Speaker 4: We've seen the pace. The final is Sunday. We've seen
[1:42:26] Speaker 4: the Pacers this season. When is the first round?
[1:42:28] Speaker 3: They already got it on Thursday.
[1:42:31] Speaker 2: Oh, Thursday. A week from today. Oh, you get a
[1:42:34] Speaker 2: week break? Follow you. You're going to have a whole
[1:42:38] Speaker 2: bunch of Pacers doing this.
[1:42:40] Speaker 9: They're going to be doing this the whole motherfucking game.
[1:42:44] Speaker 4: Follow you. We're looking.
[1:42:46] Speaker 2: Final start of the week from today. Because the easiest
[1:42:49] Speaker 2: way to do it is what?
[1:42:50] Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, how Brunson plays,
[1:42:53] Speaker 4: you can call every foul if you want to. They're
[1:42:55] Speaker 4: not in the first phase. They're not in the first phase. Man, listen,
[1:42:58] Speaker 4: Brunson's going to be tired. He's going to get in
[1:43:00] Speaker 4: foul trouble. He'll be having four. Okay, let's try this.
[1:43:03] Speaker 2: Let's think about it on the business side. Let's talk
[1:43:06] Speaker 2: about it on the business side. I've been thinking over
[1:43:07] Speaker 2: the business side. What the fuck happens to ESPN?
[1:43:10] Speaker 4: Oh, God. In all big media in a seven-day span.
[1:43:17] Speaker 2: Well, guess what?
[1:43:17] Speaker 4: LeBron James. Hey, what's LeBron doing? Has anybody seen LeBron?
[1:43:23] Speaker 4: What's LeBron doing? Anybody in church? They're going to talk
[1:43:27] Speaker 4: about LeBron James. They're going to talk about anything that
[1:43:30] Speaker 4: has nothing to do with.
[1:43:32] Speaker 2: The game itself because... Nah, they'll figure it out.
[1:43:36] Speaker 4: Well, guess what? They're going to think it's bait. Well,
[1:43:38] Speaker 4: guess what?
[1:43:38] Speaker 2: Didn't nobody relay that message to the Indiana Pacers?
[1:43:42] Speaker 4: Right. You got to talk about it. But who do
[1:43:46] Speaker 4: they talk about during that time?
[1:43:48] Speaker 2: The Super Bowl teams.
[1:43:50] Speaker 4: No, they don't. Before the Super Bowl, them football analysts
[1:43:56] Speaker 4: is talking basketball like they've been basketball players for years.
[1:44:00] Speaker 2: Very good take. But, nah, I think it would be
[1:44:05] Speaker 2: good to get both people a fresh, you know. KD's
[1:44:08] Speaker 2: a fan of football players. Fair chance. There's always one
[1:44:10] Speaker 2: team playing a little bit longer. Well, guess what? They're
[1:44:13] Speaker 2: going to get that motherfucker this Saturday by any means. Hey, bro,
[1:44:16] Speaker 2: like what I said, somebody need to tell Indiana that.
[1:44:19] Speaker 4: They may try that, but we've seen the Pacers. Who
[1:44:22] Speaker 4: reffing tonight, Scott Foster? You, of course. The fuck we
[1:44:26] Speaker 4: talking about.
[1:44:27] Speaker 2: Can you bring that white man out here?
[1:44:30] Speaker 4: Can somebody bring that white man out here? Show me
[1:44:32] Speaker 4: who reffing tonight. Look at the look on his face.
[1:44:36] Speaker 4: The only win Knicks got. Who's reffing? Scott Foster ready
[1:44:40] Speaker 4: to extend his name. Hey, Scott. He got the whistle
[1:44:45] Speaker 4: in his mouth. Get y'all paying up.
[1:44:48] Speaker 2: Turn him to the side. Turn him to the side.
[1:44:50] Speaker 2: A little bit low.
[1:44:51] Speaker 4: He got a whistle in his mouth.
[1:44:53] Speaker 2: Good job, Kelly.
[1:44:55] Speaker 4: Block it.
[1:44:56] Speaker 2: And one.
[1:44:58] Speaker 4: And one.
[1:44:59] Speaker 2: It's a clean triple down.
[1:45:01] Speaker 4: Indiana, too. I think it's over tonight, too. Same way
[1:45:04] Speaker 4: with Cleveland. Same way with Cleveland.
[1:45:07] Speaker 13: Allen Burr about to go in there and he got
[1:45:09] Speaker 13: to do the big nuts.
[1:45:12] Speaker 4: Man New York is the biggest draw right now boy.
[1:45:16] Speaker 2: They're gonna get they gonna try to wait two more games.
[1:45:17] Speaker 4: So you know, I got some bad news for you.
[1:45:20] Speaker 2: Hmm.
[1:45:21] Speaker 4: Scott Foster will not be officiating the game tonight. Hold on.
[1:45:23] Speaker 2: Then it's a hold on. Hold on.
[1:45:25] Speaker 4: Oh, yes No, it is not it is Zach's our
[1:45:28] Speaker 4: bus that is that that's right. No Josh.
[1:45:30] Speaker 2: No, I.
[1:45:36] Speaker 4: No brothers? No. But Gucci man James Williams will also
[1:45:40] Speaker 4: be on the staff. Oh, Gucci's there?
[1:45:42] Speaker 2: Gucci is a good crew for tonight.
[1:45:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's okay.
[1:45:46] Speaker 2: That's a fair crew.
[1:45:47] Speaker 4: Gucci is officiated.
[1:45:49] Speaker 2: I like this crew. Scott Foster. Zach's our boss. Josh Tiffin.
[1:45:54] Speaker 2: He the lead.
[1:45:56] Speaker 4: He the lead.
[1:45:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach is the lead then, right? They have been
[1:45:58] Speaker 2: given instructions.
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:46:00] Speaker 4: They're marching orders, if you will. They're going to burn
[1:46:02] Speaker 4: New York down tonight. Hey, Zach is a fair whistle. Yeah,
[1:46:06] Speaker 4: Zach is a fair whistle.
[1:46:08] Speaker 2: Gucci is Gucci. Gucci is going to be here.
[1:46:10] Speaker 4: Gucci is going to be Gucci.
[1:46:11] Speaker 2: It's going to be surviving Foster.
[1:46:13] Speaker 4: Watch.
[1:46:14] Speaker 3: He's going to have his own surviving Foster coming soon.
[1:46:18] Speaker 3: You keep talking about it. All it takes is a spark.
[1:46:21] Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a fair rush. Hey, listen, man. I
[1:46:25] Speaker 5: told y'all the other day I don't trust him. They've
[1:46:30] Speaker 5: been down at least double digits and shit. 85% of
[1:46:35] Speaker 5: the games they didn't play in this postseason.
[1:46:37] Speaker 2: I don't trust them.
[1:46:38] Speaker 4: They might win tonight.
[1:46:41] Speaker 2: They might win tonight. They're going back home.
[1:46:43] Speaker 4: It might be like how they did to Boston.
[1:46:47] Speaker 3: You just said Boston came back and won, then New
[1:46:49] Speaker 3: York won at home.
[1:46:51] Speaker 2: It might let the same thing happen.
[1:46:53] Speaker 4: Which one, Ben? It's that home crowd. It's the home.
[1:46:55] Speaker 12: Yeah.
[1:46:56] Speaker 2: If this was in Indiana, then it's like the same
[1:46:58] Speaker 2: thing as last time. Jason Saban went down.
[1:47:00] Speaker 4: The city's riding on this one, so they got to
[1:47:04] Speaker 4: go hard to go home. Brunson might have 40. Brunson's
[1:47:09] Speaker 4: going to have 40. Who else on this Knicks squad
[1:47:12] Speaker 4: needs to step up in this game?
[1:47:13] Speaker 2: Brunson's going to have 40.
[1:47:15] Speaker 4: I'm sure they won't just score 40 points in the game.
[1:47:18] Speaker 2: No, he's not scoring 40. No mustache.
[1:47:23] Speaker 4: No mustache.
[1:47:24] Speaker 2: They're going to be in foul trouble, brother. They're going
[1:47:26] Speaker 2: to be in foul trouble, brother.
[1:47:27] Speaker 4: Have you seen it?
[1:47:29] Speaker 2: If he got 40, that means them niggas is in
[1:47:31] Speaker 2: foul trouble, right?
[1:47:32] Speaker 13: Then he got Brunson running on the other end.
[1:47:35] Speaker 2: You know how fast they play. T.J. McConnell. The chin beard.
[1:47:40] Speaker 2: They all take a turn.
[1:47:41] Speaker 5: Wherever it's on him, they picking his ass up, making
[1:47:43] Speaker 5: him bring the ball.
[1:47:44] Speaker 2: Up the floor.
[1:47:44] Speaker 4: 94 feet.
[1:47:48] Speaker 2: It's old school style. I'm going to go out swinging.
[1:47:52] Speaker 2: I'm swinging.
[1:47:53] Speaker 4: I'm taking 27, 28 shots. He's taking 27, 28 shots, brother.
[1:47:54] Speaker 4: Every pick and roll. Get it out of him. He's
[1:47:56] Speaker 4: going to take at least 25 shots. I'm gonna be
[1:48:06] Speaker 4: dead So let's let's talk about the I'm dead tonight mr. B.
[1:48:08] Speaker 4: Let's talk about your favorite player currently still in the
[1:48:11] Speaker 4: playoffs Tyrese Halliburton.
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: Averaging 24 points, 11 assists, 7 rebounds in the series.
[1:48:23] Speaker 1: Coming off a 32-15-12 triple-double with no turnovers and 4 steals.
[1:48:28] Speaker 1: Only player in playoff history with that stat line. What
[1:48:31] Speaker 1: are your expectations for Hallie tonight in the Garden?
[1:48:36] Speaker 4: You know, to do what Hallie does. lead the team.
[1:48:39] Speaker 9: You know, if they need him to take over down
[1:48:41] Speaker 9: the stretch, that's what he'll do. You know, he's becoming, well,
[1:48:45] Speaker 9: he is the best pure point guard to me in
[1:48:47] Speaker 9: the NBA. But, man, just, you know, it's going to be,
[1:48:49] Speaker 9: the arena's going to be crazy. You know, the atmosphere,
[1:48:52] Speaker 9: energy's going to be crazy. But if they could just,
[1:48:54] Speaker 9: you know, just play their pace and do what they do,
[1:48:56] Speaker 9: they'll be fine.
[1:48:58] Speaker 3: Man, for me, I'm worried about his daddy coming in
[1:49:04] Speaker 3: New York trying to do that town shit if they win.
[1:49:06] Speaker 4: No confirmation.
[1:49:07] Speaker 2: He might not make it up. Game time decision.
[1:49:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
[1:49:10] Speaker 2: Oh, he can't go? How are you going to tell
[1:49:12] Speaker 2: a man he can't go to the game.
[1:49:13] Speaker 4: On the road?
[1:49:13] Speaker 2: I'm a grown man. That's crazy. I'm a grown man.
[1:49:16] Speaker 2: Who's in the road games?
[1:49:18] Speaker 4: No road game?
[1:49:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a road game.
[1:49:20] Speaker 4: It can't be a road game. I'm about to say, man.
[1:49:22] Speaker 4: God damn.
[1:49:22] Speaker 2: The game four was in. After you had that big
[1:49:25] Speaker 2: game with your dad there?
[1:49:26] Speaker 4: He was at home when he had it.
[1:49:27] Speaker 2: It'd be smart for him not to have his pops
[1:49:28] Speaker 2: in that environment.
[1:49:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. I don't think he should have his dad there.
[1:49:31] Speaker 2: Oh. We'll keep it the whole game. It'll be smart
[1:49:33] Speaker 2: for him. He doesn't wait until the champion. He'll go
[1:49:37] Speaker 2: on and okay.
[1:49:37] Speaker 4: Joe Jackson would never. Joe Jackson right in the game.
[1:49:40] Speaker 4: New York Blues? His daddy in the crowd? Oh, yeah.
[1:49:45] Speaker 4: He's seeing his old ass getting stumped out.
[1:49:47] Speaker 2: He can come back to every game. Hell, yeah. Just
[1:49:51] Speaker 2: lay him down with the towel. Let's get him a sweet.
[1:49:54] Speaker 2: They did at home. He got to be in the sweet.
[1:49:56] Speaker 4: Let him back on the court. I need 10 toes
[1:49:58] Speaker 4: on the wood. Put him in the sweet, man. Put
[1:50:01] Speaker 4: him in the sweet. Let him wave his towel, man.
[1:50:02] Speaker 2: The Howley towel. He learned his lesson. Do you think
[1:50:06] Speaker 2: he washes that Howley towel or he just.
[1:50:08] Speaker 4: No, but I'm excited for Howley, man. He probably got
[1:50:10] Speaker 4: a lot of... He has a chance right now to
[1:50:11] Speaker 4: put the next wave.
[1:50:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. Yeah, for sure.
[1:50:13] Speaker 4: This is a moment right here where he can talk
[1:50:15] Speaker 4: his shit and.
[1:50:16] Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. And get nuts. This is a big.
[1:50:18] Speaker 4: Game for him.
[1:50:21] Speaker 1: So aside from Hallie, it seems like a different player
[1:50:24] Speaker 1: steps up.
[1:50:25] Speaker 2: It's the game five? The shoulder to score. This is
[1:50:27] Speaker 2: game five?
[1:50:28] Speaker 4: This is game five.
[1:50:29] Speaker 2: They ain't lost a game five yet.
[1:50:30] Speaker 4: Wait, you said what? Is this a what?
[1:50:32] Speaker 2: They ain't lost a game five yet. Who? They have not?
[1:50:37] Speaker 4: They ain't lost a game five yet. Pacers in five.
[1:50:40] Speaker 4: All throughout this postseason.
[1:50:41] Speaker 1: So we've seen Aaron Neesmith step up, Pascal Siakam, Ben
[1:50:43] Speaker 1: Matherin all have big performances throughout this series. Who are
[1:50:46] Speaker 1: you anticipating having a big game for the Pacers in
[1:50:49] Speaker 1: game five?
[1:50:50] Speaker 4: For the Pacers? Siakam back in Madison Square Garden?
[1:50:52] Speaker 2: Siakam. Can beat Cleveland.
[1:50:54] Speaker 4: Siakam heard what Gil said. Ever since he heard that,
[1:50:56] Speaker 4: he's been hooping. Yeah, he should. Can't beat, can't beat, can't, hey,
[1:51:00] Speaker 4: you can't have Stephen A. Smith out there talking about you, you,
[1:51:03] Speaker 4: you in the number two option list. Nah, man, they
[1:51:07] Speaker 4: gonna step up. But him, yeah, I think, I think he,
[1:51:11] Speaker 4: you know what, I just want a good game. I wish,
[1:51:13] Speaker 4: I think all, everybody gonna play well.
[1:51:25] Speaker 1: We got a special guest making her first appearance in
[1:51:29] Speaker 1: gills arena two-time Olympic gold medalist First boxer male or
[1:51:33] Speaker 1: female ever to win gold in back-to-back Olympic Games she's
[1:51:37] Speaker 1: also the first boxer to hold three undisputed titles at
[1:51:39] Speaker 1: three different weight classes and 16 and over three knockouts
[1:51:43] Speaker 1: the number one pound for pound women's boxer in the
[1:51:45] Speaker 1: world the undisputed women's heavyweight champion Known as the quote
[1:51:50] Speaker 1: the greatest woman of all time Clarissa shield. Welcome to
[1:51:53] Speaker 1: Gil's arena presented by underdog We got the quote in
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: the building with the belt.
[1:52:12] Speaker 6: I'm sitting here?
[1:52:13] Speaker 2: Right over there. Right over there.
[1:52:14] Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
[1:52:15] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going to sit just a little.
[1:52:16] Speaker 4: Don't let Swaggy hold your butt. You might not see it.
[1:52:18] Speaker 6: No, I'm going to sit right there.
[1:52:20] Speaker 2: Keep it right there. How you doing, Florence?
[1:52:23] Speaker 4: We appreciate you. This is the champion side of the couch.
[1:52:26] Speaker 6: Okay.
[1:52:28] Speaker 2: Look.
[1:52:28] Speaker 4: That's motherfucking heavy. I know.
[1:52:31] Speaker 6: I got 17 of these. I only brought two.
[1:52:33] Speaker 4: Talk it.
[1:52:34] Speaker 2: Talk it. You left the other 15.
[1:52:35] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:52:36] Speaker 2: You got 15 more.
[1:52:37] Speaker 4: That's empty.
[1:52:40] Speaker 2: God.
[1:52:40] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:52:41] Speaker 2: We appreciate you pulling up. How you doing today?
[1:52:43] Speaker 4: I'm good.
[1:52:43] Speaker 6: How y'all doing?
[1:52:44] Speaker 4: We all right. Good. Good.
[1:52:46] Speaker 2: We all right.
[1:52:47] Speaker 4: We all right.
[1:52:47] Speaker 2: So on Saturday, July 26th.
[1:52:49] Speaker 4: Hold on.
[1:52:49] Speaker 2: We all, you know, I mean, he going to want
[1:52:51] Speaker 2: to defend himself. The rest of us.
[1:52:56] Speaker 6: I got on him, so y'all might be good.
[1:52:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. You can whip pretty much everybody's ass
[1:53:02] Speaker 4: on this guy. We good.
[1:53:03] Speaker 2: We good. We know what hands look like around here.
[1:53:05] Speaker 2: I'm going to tuck mine in real quick.
[1:53:06] Speaker 4: Tuck mine in.
[1:53:11] Speaker 1: So on Saturday, July 26th, you defended your title against
[1:53:14] Speaker 1: Lonnie Daniels at the Little Caesars Arena in Detroit. How
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: have you been preparing for this upcoming fight?
[1:53:21] Speaker 6: One, I've just been changing my diet up, so I
[1:53:23] Speaker 6: haven't been able to eat my fried food like I
[1:53:25] Speaker 6: want to. Gallon of water, running, hitting the pads, jumping rope.
[1:53:31] Speaker 6: I know I'm really in shape when I can jump
[1:53:34] Speaker 6: rope 30 minutes straight. So right now I'm like at 10.
[1:53:37] Speaker 4: Wait, 30 minutes straight, no break?
[1:53:38] Speaker 6: Just going, yeah.
[1:53:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:53:42] Speaker 6: That's when I know I'm like, damn, you in tip-top shape.
[1:53:44] Speaker 6: But right now, I'm running 830 miles. I'm trying to
[1:53:48] Speaker 6: get it down to seven minutes before the fight. So,
[1:53:50] Speaker 6: I'm working.
[1:53:51] Speaker 2: I'm working.
[1:53:52] Speaker 4: Is it true you only spar against men?
[1:53:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:53:55] Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
[1:53:56] Speaker 2: How many times you won?
[1:53:58] Speaker 4: What did you mean, won?
[1:54:01] Speaker 2: Against men.
[1:54:02] Speaker 4: I'm just playing. I'm just playing.
[1:54:04] Speaker 6: I'm glad that you brought up sparring, right? So, sparring
[1:54:06] Speaker 6: with the men is just like, I can't spar with
[1:54:08] Speaker 6: the women. I have to take it easy on them.
[1:54:10] Speaker 6: But I'm getting ready for real combat, and I'm trying
[1:54:13] Speaker 6: to knock girls out. All the girls that I fight
[1:54:15] Speaker 6: against are very strong and big. I mean, the last
[1:54:18] Speaker 6: girl I fought against, Danielle Perkins, she probably built like
[1:54:21] Speaker 6: you a little bit.
[1:54:22] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
[1:54:23] Speaker 6: And she wasn't nobody to be played with. So when
[1:54:26] Speaker 6: I spar against the men, I can actually... throw my
[1:54:29] Speaker 6: punches and see what I'm working with so when I
[1:54:30] Speaker 6: go to the fight, you know, but it's just work.
[1:54:34] Speaker 6: It's just practice, but I don't, I don't say like
[1:54:37] Speaker 6: I beat my sparring partners up, but I definitely don't
[1:54:39] Speaker 6: get my ass kicked.
[1:54:41] Speaker 2: When did you start that? Like just, just sparring with men?
[1:54:46] Speaker 6: At the age of 11.
[1:54:47] Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
[1:54:48] Speaker 6: So you had 20 years. 20 years it is. So
[1:54:52] Speaker 6: when I was 15, I sparred against my first grown man.
[1:54:55] Speaker 6: He was 23.
[1:54:56] Speaker 4: I was 15.
[1:54:56] Speaker 6: I whooped his ass.
[1:55:00] Speaker 2: She can punch through men.
[1:55:02] Speaker 4: There's some grown men in here that neither ask what's up.
[1:55:05] Speaker 4: You think that's been an advantage of?
[1:55:08] Speaker 6: I mean, so all the girls can spar against the men,
[1:55:11] Speaker 6: but can they keep up is the question. You know,
[1:55:13] Speaker 6: can they? One, I'm not going to go in there
[1:55:16] Speaker 6: and go strength with anybody. You know what I'm saying?
[1:55:18] Speaker 6: That's not smart. I'm going to go in there and
[1:55:20] Speaker 6: use my feints. I'm going to use my head movement.
[1:55:22] Speaker 6: I'm going to use my body shots. When you're fighting
[1:55:24] Speaker 6: against somebody who's strong, you hit them to the body
[1:55:26] Speaker 6: to weaken them. Then you get them. That's how I
[1:55:29] Speaker 6: spar against all the men. They all come in there
[1:55:31] Speaker 6: real strong, real fast, real slick. And when I get
[1:55:34] Speaker 6: to putting them to that body, everybody slow down. And
[1:55:36] Speaker 6: when they slow down, that's when I pick it up
[1:55:38] Speaker 6: on their ass.
[1:55:40] Speaker 4: Yeah. See, it's a strategy.
[1:55:41] Speaker 2: I have a similar strategy when I.
[1:55:43] Speaker 4: I was going to say when you was at the table,
[1:55:48] Speaker 4: you had a certain strategy. Okay.
[1:55:50] Speaker 1: I thought we were sticking together today, but I see
[1:55:53] Speaker 1: we have grown apart.
[1:55:55] Speaker 4: We have grown apart.
[1:55:57] Speaker 2: I was looking at your steak swag. I ain't even
[1:55:59] Speaker 2: going to lie.
[1:56:00] Speaker 4: I'm nervous.
[1:56:01] Speaker 2: I said, no, I'm nervous too.
[1:56:02] Speaker 4: You didn't hear that? That was quick. We both were
[1:56:07] Speaker 4: just like... You know, like, get your pick. Get your dog, man.
[1:56:11] Speaker 4: Get your dog. She know how to land them or
[1:56:13] Speaker 4: she know how to punch. I heard. I heard. She's
[1:56:15] Speaker 4: a knuckle, I think. Goddamn. We both move like... Throw
[1:56:20] Speaker 4: the motherfuckers before a living, bro.
[1:56:23] Speaker 1: So for fans who have not had the chance to
[1:56:25] Speaker 1: watch you before, what can fans expect to see from
[1:56:28] Speaker 1: a Cleverness of Shields fight?
[1:56:30] Speaker 6: You can expect a lot of excitement, a lot of...
[1:56:35] Speaker 6: A lot of punches, a lot of power shots. You
[1:56:37] Speaker 6: can expect to hear, whoop that trick throughout the round.
[1:56:41] Speaker 6: Whenever I fight up in Detroit throughout the rounds, they
[1:56:44] Speaker 6: chant and whoop that trick, and it's like a movie.
[1:56:47] Speaker 6: It's crazy.
[1:56:48] Speaker 4: I like the movie, by the way, too.
[1:56:50] Speaker 6: The Fireman's Guide, yes. A shout-out to Ryan Destiny. He
[1:56:53] Speaker 6: played me to the T. Yeah.
[1:56:56] Speaker 2: Hey, Gil, what's all that shit you be talking about Detroit?
[1:57:00] Speaker 4: Huh? Huh? What's up, Detroit hater?
[1:57:04] Speaker 2: Who?
[1:57:05] Speaker 6: You be hating on Detroit?
[1:57:06] Speaker 2: Detroit what?
[1:57:07] Speaker 4: Detroit anything. The 313.
[1:57:08] Speaker 2: I had never even, what? The 313? Oh, nah.
[1:57:12] Speaker 4: I watched the movie. Huh? Everybody in the 313. What
[1:57:15] Speaker 4: you mean? Ain't shit in Detroit. You crazy.
[1:57:18] Speaker 3: He probably the only thing that came out of Detroit.
[1:57:22] Speaker 6: Well, one, I came.
[1:57:23] Speaker 4: Out of Flint. I'm from Flint.
[1:57:26] Speaker 6: Y'all think I'm from Detroit, but I'm from Flint.
[1:57:28] Speaker 2: Okay, I thought you was from Detroit.
[1:57:30] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, Flint. Flintstones.
[1:57:34] Speaker 13: Now, hold on.
[1:57:35] Speaker 6: Detroit and Flint are a little different, but Flint got
[1:57:37] Speaker 6: some legends.
[1:57:38] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:57:39] Speaker 6: Literally legends.
[1:57:40] Speaker 2: Like what? Mateen Cleaves. Mateen Cleaves?
[1:57:42] Speaker 13: Yeah, look at that.
[1:57:43] Speaker 6: You don't even know.
[1:57:43] Speaker 2: You said Mateen Cleaves?
[1:57:45] Speaker 4: Come on, man.
[1:57:46] Speaker 6: From Flint.
[1:57:47] Speaker 4: Come on now. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[1:57:50] Speaker 6: Right now, we got Kyle Kuzma. We got Monte Morris
[1:57:53] Speaker 6: in the NBA.
[1:57:54] Speaker 4: We got the quote, Claressa Hughes. Come on now. Yeah,
[1:57:56] Speaker 4: come on now, Flint. <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
[1:58:00] Speaker 4: It's from.
[1:58:01] Speaker 2: Flint, Michigan. Hey, Clarissa.
[1:58:03] Speaker 4: Hey, Clarissa. Okay.
[1:58:04] Speaker 5: Mateen Cleaves in Michigan State in 2000, they only got
[1:58:08] Speaker 5: a championship because of one thing and one thing only.
[1:58:10] Speaker 5: And what was that one thing? So we're going to
[1:58:11] Speaker 5: put an asterisk by that one.
[1:58:13] Speaker 2: What was that one thing? Kenyon Martin got hurt. They
[1:58:17] Speaker 2: said they would have no problem.
[1:58:19] Speaker 4: No excuses. No, no, no, no, no. You can ask.
[1:58:22] Speaker 4: They did. Go ask him. Go ask him. Well, didn't
[1:58:25] Speaker 4: they win one and one, though? But that one, if
[1:58:27] Speaker 4: we dug down. But the other ones, they still won.
[1:58:30] Speaker 4: That was good, but that one, it's like, ah.
[1:58:33] Speaker 7: Ah.
[1:58:34] Speaker 4: No, see, that's... Yeah, go ask Nete.
[1:58:36] Speaker 2: We dubbed them by 20, so we know.
[1:58:38] Speaker 4: Oh, he was... Nete? Yeah, we played.
[1:58:39] Speaker 2: They didn't want to play us in 2000. They came
[1:58:41] Speaker 2: to Arizona. We beat them by 20. Yeah, I got
[1:58:43] Speaker 2: hurt in the conference tournament, so they benefited.
[1:58:45] Speaker 4: They won it all. A W is a W.
[1:58:48] Speaker 2: So we're similar. I was born in Saginaw, just so
[1:58:51] Speaker 2: you know.
[1:58:51] Speaker 6: Oh, you close.
[1:58:52] Speaker 4: Great mom.
[1:58:53] Speaker 2: I was born in Saginaw. I was raised in Dallas,
[1:58:54] Speaker 2: but my mom and everybody from Saginaw, so.
[1:58:56] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:58:56] Speaker 2: What you talking about?
[1:58:59] Speaker 4: So fights are going to be turnt up then, I think. No,
[1:59:01] Speaker 4: it is. It is.
[1:59:02] Speaker 6: And Loni is coming with her whole New Zealand crowd
[1:59:06] Speaker 6: and everything. She's coming with her tribe. She's going to
[1:59:10] Speaker 6: do like a whole ritual. That thing coming out.
[1:59:13] Speaker 4: That shit is all right.
[1:59:17] Speaker 6: Yeah, she may have lost early in her career, you know,
[1:59:19] Speaker 6: but she's been rebuilding herself back up. She got two
[1:59:22] Speaker 6: world titles. And she thinks she got enough in her
[1:59:25] Speaker 6: to come and beat me. So I look forward to it.
[1:59:27] Speaker 2: So I have a question for you.
[1:59:28] Speaker 5: Are you and, I might butcher her first name, Melissa Bumgarner,
[1:59:32] Speaker 5: are y'all in the same weight class?
[1:59:35] Speaker 2: Can y'all fight? Or y'all, you are in a higher
[1:59:39] Speaker 2: weight class than her?
[1:59:39] Speaker 14: Clout.
[1:59:40] Speaker 4: Okay. Hey, I'm just asking.
[1:59:43] Speaker 6: Clout.
[1:59:43] Speaker 4: Okay, hey.
[1:59:44] Speaker 2: She's a clout fighter.
[1:59:45] Speaker 4: Oh, I'm just asking. And you know what?
[1:59:48] Speaker 2: And the thing is, I... That's Jake Paul.
[1:59:51] Speaker 6: Me and Alicia used to be cool, but now it's
[1:59:54] Speaker 6: like a.
[1:59:56] Speaker 6: I'll just be honest. I don't really fuck with her
[1:59:58] Speaker 6: like that.
[1:59:58] Speaker 4: Damn.
[1:59:59] Speaker 6: You know? But just with that being said, a fighter
[2:00:02] Speaker 6: who fights at 130 should never open their mouth to
[2:00:04] Speaker 6: call the fighter who fought at 160. Okay. And the
[2:00:06] Speaker 6: lowest I fought is 154. So now we're not talking
[2:00:09] Speaker 6: about 30 pounds, but 24 pounds. Now I'm fighting against
[2:00:12] Speaker 6: heavyweight women who are 175 and 175 plus.
[2:00:16] Speaker 2: So could it be the Bud and Canelo kind of
[2:00:18] Speaker 2: a thing?
[2:00:18] Speaker 6: Bud come up and you can't... You have to ask
[2:00:21] Speaker 6: your friend if she's going to come up.
[2:00:22] Speaker 2: And fight me. I just met the lady once. I just.
[2:00:25] Speaker 6: I'm just saying.
[2:00:27] Speaker 2: I just, because it was said that she was good
[2:00:29] Speaker 2: by the people that introduced.
[2:00:30] Speaker 6: Me to her.
[2:00:30] Speaker 13: It's different between like a pit bull and a poodle.
[2:00:32] Speaker 4: It's just the difference.
[2:00:34] Speaker 6: I'm like a pretty pit bull. She like a, she
[2:00:36] Speaker 6: like a little tough poodle.
[2:00:37] Speaker 4: Okay.
[2:00:38] Speaker 2: Bark is like.
[2:00:39] Speaker 4: Like she's good.
[2:00:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it.
[2:00:41] Speaker 6: But great is like.
[2:00:42] Speaker 4: I hate them poodles. They always bark. I dig it. No, no,
[2:00:45] Speaker 4: you got it. You got the hard work to prove it, ma.
[2:00:47] Speaker 2: I'm the age.
[2:00:47] Speaker 4: I don't want no action.
[2:00:48] Speaker 2: She cool.
[2:00:49] Speaker 6: I'm just saying. I don't want no action.
[2:00:50] Speaker 4: Sometime.
[2:00:51] Speaker 2: Oh, I dig it. You know?
[2:00:53] Speaker 6: You got the big dogs and you got the little dogs.
[2:00:54] Speaker 2: I'm with you.
[2:00:55] Speaker 5: So what I call them, so you got porch puppies
[2:00:59] Speaker 5: and you got dogs that actually.
[2:01:00] Speaker 2: If you want to teach him.
[2:01:02] Speaker 4: If you want to.
[2:01:03] Speaker 2: Teach him a lesson, you can.
[2:01:04] Speaker 4: I'm all for it. I'm all for it.
[2:01:06] Speaker 2: He tried to fight me the other day. If you
[2:01:09] Speaker 2: want to, you can jump if you want.
[2:01:11] Speaker 4: Just throwing it out there. Hey, she's leaving after this.
[2:01:19] Speaker 2: Hey, you're going to be here by yourself. You're going
[2:01:22] Speaker 2: to be here by yourself. She's leaving after.
[2:01:26] Speaker 4: This. So what's the advantages of, like, who does it
[2:01:30] Speaker 4: hurt if you try to move down or someone trying
[2:01:33] Speaker 4: to move up? Because it's always that someone's kind of like,
[2:01:36] Speaker 4: which one?
[2:01:37] Speaker 6: I feel like losing weight is pretty tough. So I
[2:01:42] Speaker 6: started at 168 in my career. Then I went down
[2:01:44] Speaker 6: to 60. Then I went down to 54. Then I
[2:01:47] Speaker 6: went back to 60, and now I'm at 75. And
[2:01:50] Speaker 6: I have to say, when I went to 54, strangely... Okay,
[2:01:56] Speaker 6: I'll make this story quick. Strangely, I was supposed to
[2:01:57] Speaker 6: fight in Flint, but the fight got canceled because a
[2:02:01] Speaker 6: man got knocked out. The girls' coach got knocked out
[2:02:03] Speaker 6: for being disrespectful at the weigh-in, right? So my fight
[2:02:06] Speaker 6: got canceled. But I made the weight at 154 pounds.
[2:02:10] Speaker 6: The next day, my whole body cramped up. Now, I
[2:02:13] Speaker 6: was like, Even though I couldn't fight and I wanted
[2:02:16] Speaker 6: to fight and my opponent was ready to fight, but
[2:02:18] Speaker 6: she wasn't going to fight without her coach. So we
[2:02:19] Speaker 6: had to postpone the fight. But me, I lost 35
[2:02:22] Speaker 6: pounds in like eight weeks. And I made the weight
[2:02:26] Speaker 6: and I felt okay. But literally the next day, I
[2:02:30] Speaker 6: don't know. I can say stress added to it because
[2:02:34] Speaker 6: I had got my fight canceled.
[2:02:36] Speaker 4: But.
[2:02:37] Speaker 6: The fact that I lost all that weight, the next
[2:02:39] Speaker 6: day I literally felt my whole body just like cramp up.
[2:02:41] Speaker 6: And I never felt that before. So me and that
[2:02:43] Speaker 6: girl fought and we fought at 154 pounds, but it
[2:02:45] Speaker 6: was two or three months later, which I was able
[2:02:48] Speaker 6: to keep my weight down, eat right, and actually be
[2:02:51] Speaker 6: able to be hydrated at that weight. But when I
[2:02:54] Speaker 6: first got down there, it felt terrible.
[2:02:57] Speaker 2: Is it the sauna and all that shit?
[2:03:00] Speaker 4: You got to like.
[2:03:01] Speaker 2: I think that's... You got.
[2:03:02] Speaker 4: To lose muscle. They be sitting there with sweat bags.
[2:03:04] Speaker 2: Do you lose power? Like, do you lose power dropping down?
[2:03:09] Speaker 6: I believe so, because I haven't felt this strong ever
[2:03:12] Speaker 6: in my career until I fought at 175. Like, now
[2:03:16] Speaker 6: you see, when I land on a girl, you see, like, okay,
[2:03:19] Speaker 6: now she reacting. Now I'm dropping them. Now I'm knocking
[2:03:22] Speaker 6: them out. Like, that wasn't until 175 came.
[2:03:25] Speaker 2: How was your UFC experience? Like the Ultimate Fighters.
[2:03:27] Speaker 4: How was that? Yeah, yeah.
[2:03:29] Speaker 6: PFL was fun, you know. I proved a bunch of
[2:03:33] Speaker 6: haters wrong. They all talking about some boxers can't do
[2:03:36] Speaker 6: MMA and I'm going to get armbarred and submitted. And
[2:03:39] Speaker 6: I went over there and I kicked those girls' ass.
[2:03:43] Speaker 6: Ultimate Street Fighters.
[2:03:45] Speaker 4: Smoke.
[2:03:45] Speaker 2: Smoke.
[2:03:46] Speaker 4: Love it, bro.
[2:03:48] Speaker 2: So the training for that.
[2:03:50] Speaker 5: Versus the training for boxing?
[2:03:51] Speaker 4: Oh, my God. Like, what is.
[2:03:53] Speaker 6: Come on now. MMA, I have to be honest, MMA
[2:03:57] Speaker 6: is way harder. And maybe because I've done boxing my
[2:04:00] Speaker 6: entire life, but MMA was different.
[2:04:02] Speaker 2: You have to look out for so much more, right,
[2:04:04] Speaker 2: than just.
[2:04:04] Speaker 4: Punches, right?
[2:04:05] Speaker 6: I had to train six months for each fight. And
[2:04:07] Speaker 6: I had to practice mostly on what do you do
[2:04:10] Speaker 6: when you get taken down?
[2:04:11] Speaker 2: How do you avoid takedowns?
[2:04:12] Speaker 6: How do you get out of arm bars?
[2:04:13] Speaker 2: How do you get out of chokes?
[2:04:14] Speaker 6: Nobody's going to... No smart... MMA fighters are going to
[2:04:18] Speaker 6: go in there and try to fight with you.
[2:04:19] Speaker 4: Not at all.
[2:04:20] Speaker 6: I got hands. Now.
[2:04:24] Speaker 2: Yes.
[2:04:24] Speaker 4: I got hands. They got feet, hands, elbows. Feet, hands, elbows.
[2:04:29] Speaker 5: They can stomp on your toe, try to choke you out.
[2:04:32] Speaker 6: Listen, I think the worst thing I ever did to
[2:04:34] Speaker 6: anybody was knee him in the face in MMA. And
[2:04:37] Speaker 6: I was like, that's kind of brutal.
[2:04:39] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:04:39] Speaker 6: But it was like, we worked on it in the
[2:04:41] Speaker 6: gym and coach said, we move our head over here,
[2:04:43] Speaker 6: you knee her. And I said.
[2:04:45] Speaker 6: And I did that in Saudi. And I was like, dang,
[2:04:46] Speaker 6: I need her in the face.
[2:04:47] Speaker 2: That's crazy.
[2:04:48] Speaker 4: You got away with it, right? You got away with it.
[2:04:52] Speaker 2: You know what type of mentality you got to have?
[2:04:54] Speaker 4: Now when you think about that's what they do, you're like.
[2:04:57] Speaker 2: No, that shit real, man. You got to be different, dog,
[2:05:00] Speaker 2: to get in there.
[2:05:01] Speaker 6: You got to be crazy to let somebody try to
[2:05:03] Speaker 6: tackle you, and then you sprawl, and then you jump
[2:05:05] Speaker 6: back up and just start back punching. It's called sprawling brawl.
[2:05:07] Speaker 6: And that's what I'm great at. When them girls started
[2:05:09] Speaker 6: to take me down, I'm like, oh, here she come. Oh,
[2:05:11] Speaker 6: get your legs back.
[2:05:12] Speaker 4: Get up. Boom, boom, boom.
[2:05:13] Speaker 6: You got to fight.
[2:05:14] Speaker 4: And.
[2:05:16] Speaker 6: Listen, I enjoyed those fights, but, man, it was just
[2:05:18] Speaker 6: hard because they put their head and stuff all in
[2:05:21] Speaker 6: your neck and in your face. They hold you against
[2:05:23] Speaker 6: the cage. They kicking you. I mean, I got kicked
[2:05:27] Speaker 6: in the face a couple times.
[2:05:28] Speaker 4: God.
[2:05:34] Speaker 6: And I think you have to be crazy to do
[2:05:38] Speaker 6: it so I applaud myself for doing it three times
[2:05:40] Speaker 6: and hanging.
[2:05:40] Speaker 9: That shit on So with so much success, you know
[2:05:45] Speaker 9: that you that you have how's it dealing with family
[2:05:47] Speaker 9: and friends?
[2:05:49] Speaker 12: Um Good question.
[2:05:51] Speaker 6: So I mean I On the way up, everybody is
[2:05:54] Speaker 6: very supportive and everybody wants you to make it, but
[2:05:56] Speaker 6: it's like once you make it, they kind of, I
[2:05:58] Speaker 6: don't know where all the jealousy and the entitlement comes
[2:06:00] Speaker 6: from with, like, family and stuff. You know, I try to,
[2:06:05] Speaker 6: I try figuring it out, and it's nothing to figure out.
[2:06:09] Speaker 6: It's like people growing, but they want you to basically,
[2:06:13] Speaker 6: whatever you get, they want. You know, and I just
[2:06:16] Speaker 6: feel like I just can't do that. So now in
[2:06:18] Speaker 6: my life, I'm just more of a, You mess up
[2:06:22] Speaker 6: one time with me, it's kind of over with. Yeah,
[2:06:24] Speaker 6: I'm not.
[2:06:25] Speaker 4: Too much entitlement.
[2:06:26] Speaker 6: Yeah, I used to give people chances and try to
[2:06:28] Speaker 6: fix it and try to figure out what's wrong. Why
[2:06:31] Speaker 6: are you upset at me? All this stuff. Now I'd
[2:06:33] Speaker 6: be like, okay, great for you. And I just kind
[2:06:35] Speaker 6: of move on because where I'm trying to go in
[2:06:37] Speaker 6: my life and in my career, I just don't have
[2:06:38] Speaker 6: time for somebody to keep, oh, you got a $ 100, 000
[2:06:43] Speaker 6: chain on, but I.
[2:06:45] Speaker 4: Live out here. It's like... learn to fight get a
[2:06:49] Speaker 4: job learn to fight.
[2:06:54] Speaker 13: Stop being dead weight so.
[2:06:56] Speaker 5: This is what we talked about on the show before
[2:06:58] Speaker 5: it's unfortunate but it's the thing like it's like when
[2:07:02] Speaker 5: you made it we made it and it's that and
[2:07:06] Speaker 5: then it's when you do say yes it's yeah like
[2:07:11] Speaker 5: it's applauded but it's this short memory thing. It's in
[2:07:15] Speaker 5: the microwave, right? As soon as you do it, they
[2:07:17] Speaker 5: forget about it, right? Until the next time and then
[2:07:19] Speaker 5: that gets old, right? I'm saying you're growing as a,
[2:07:22] Speaker 5: but you're not changing as a person, you're growing as
[2:07:24] Speaker 5: a person.
[2:07:25] Speaker 2: And other people, they can't deal with that growth.
[2:07:28] Speaker 6: You know what? What I think it is, when you
[2:07:31] Speaker 6: come from a certain place with somebody and y'all grew
[2:07:34] Speaker 6: up together and you continue to grow and they kind
[2:07:36] Speaker 6: of stay at a standstill, you get more successful and
[2:07:38] Speaker 6: you get more money, you get better or whatever. I
[2:07:41] Speaker 6: think it's not that they're mad that you made it.
[2:07:43] Speaker 6: They're like, why? Why was it just you? Like, what
[2:07:46] Speaker 6: was so good about you to where I didn't grow,
[2:07:49] Speaker 6: I stayed here, and you made it up here? So
[2:07:52] Speaker 6: it's not a, it's more of them getting bad for themselves,
[2:07:54] Speaker 6: but they take it out on you.
[2:07:58] Speaker 9: We talked about that on playback. Remember we were talking
[2:07:59] Speaker 9: about being careful who you bring with you?
[2:08:02] Speaker 4: Like, you know, trying to.
[2:08:03] Speaker 2: Just like, you know, just like anything, just like party,
[2:08:06] Speaker 2: we have friends. We have friends we can't take in public.
[2:08:08] Speaker 4: Yes.
[2:08:09] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[2:08:11] Speaker 4: But that can't take everybody anyway. But that's family. When
[2:08:15] Speaker 4: you make it to a certain level... If you got
[2:08:18] Speaker 4: six family, all six can't go. Because all six ain't
[2:08:24] Speaker 4: mentally or ready to go to that next level. And
[2:08:27] Speaker 4: they don't know how to, when you get there, they
[2:08:29] Speaker 4: still got to train themselves to get there. And that's
[2:08:31] Speaker 4: what they don't want to do. They want you to
[2:08:33] Speaker 4: just bring them with them.
[2:08:34] Speaker 6: I think about Jay-Z when he was talking on the
[2:08:36] Speaker 6: camera and everybody was in the back. Like, ah, they
[2:08:38] Speaker 6: was going crazy. He just standing there like.
[2:08:41] Speaker 6: You can just tell he kind of outgrew everybody. And
[2:08:43] Speaker 6: they were in the back just still being.
[2:08:46] Speaker 2: Everybody can't get a family room pass, right? You bring
[2:08:49] Speaker 2: your own certain.
[2:08:50] Speaker 4: For your partners, they can't get a family room pass.
[2:08:54] Speaker 5: So it's this song out there, John and Luke is
[2:08:58] Speaker 5: called Broski.
[2:09:00] Speaker 2: It's what we're talking about, right?
[2:09:02] Speaker 4: It's that.
[2:09:03] Speaker 5: So the song is, the dude is talking to his homeboy,
[2:09:07] Speaker 5: but his homeboy is jealous that he made it, but
[2:09:09] Speaker 5: every time... you did something, I was there and I
[2:09:12] Speaker 5: ain't say nothing now. Like why you made it and
[2:09:15] Speaker 5: I didn't basically. So the song, I'm like, hey, I'm
[2:09:17] Speaker 5: Johnny Lucas. That shit dope, bruh. Like it put everything,
[2:09:21] Speaker 5: as I got older, then I heard that song, it
[2:09:23] Speaker 5: put my life in perspective, right? There's certain shit you
[2:09:26] Speaker 5: hear along the way, it puts certain things in that
[2:09:28] Speaker 5: category where they need to be.
[2:09:31] Speaker 3: Do you still got the same trainer or?
[2:09:34] Speaker 4: No.
[2:09:35] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
[2:09:36] Speaker 6: So me and Jason, we won our first world championship together.
[2:09:38] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[2:09:39] Speaker 6: And we won the first Olympics together. And then we
[2:09:43] Speaker 6: didn't work together no more. And then we came back
[2:09:46] Speaker 6: together when I turned pro. We won our first world
[2:09:48] Speaker 6: title together. Then after that, we started working together again.
[2:09:51] Speaker 6: And it's nothing against Jason.
[2:09:52] Speaker 2: Is that different from having.
[2:09:56] Speaker 4: Like, are you like.
[2:09:57] Speaker 2: Like, I would be superstitious. Oh, no.
[2:09:59] Speaker 4: To leave somebody.
[2:10:02] Speaker 6: I can have pap in the corner. I'm going to
[2:10:03] Speaker 6: win my fight. It don't matter.
[2:10:05] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:10:06] Speaker 6: No, I don't matter. I can have y'all in the
[2:10:07] Speaker 6: corner when we fight. Sorry. It's all on me. I
[2:10:10] Speaker 6: know what I'm doing. And you know, that's the thing
[2:10:13] Speaker 6: about knowledge, right? When somebody teach you something, it's yours forever.
[2:10:18] Speaker 6: And I was, gladly, I was taught how to box.
[2:10:22] Speaker 6: And I'm a great fighter on the inside. So me
[2:10:24] Speaker 6: being taught how to box, head movement, defense, offense, angles,
[2:10:28] Speaker 6: all the stuff that I know, I'm not going to
[2:10:30] Speaker 6: forget that just because I have a different trainer.
[2:10:33] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:10:33] Speaker 2: What's your favorite punch? What's your.
[2:10:36] Speaker 5: I'm finna get this.
[2:10:39] Speaker 2: This is the one.
[2:10:40] Speaker 6: My right hand is real nasty. I got a real
[2:10:42] Speaker 6: nasty right hand. I got a secretive hook. And I'm
[2:10:48] Speaker 6: a power jabber, so all that flicking everybody be doing,
[2:10:50] Speaker 6: I'm quite sure y'all watch my fights, you'll never see that.
[2:10:53] Speaker 6: Jab is like my right hand. So the jab is
[2:10:56] Speaker 6: just in your face.
[2:10:57] Speaker 2: Putting that stick on them constantly.
[2:11:00] Speaker 6: Throughout the whole ten rounds if we got to go
[2:11:02] Speaker 6: that long.
[2:11:02] Speaker 2: I dig it.
[2:11:03] Speaker 1: So boxers are known to be very superstitious. Do you
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: have any superstitions as you prepare for a fight?
[2:11:08] Speaker 2: Just one.
[2:11:09] Speaker 6: Just one, and it's kind of, I mean, I don't
[2:11:11] Speaker 6: want to hear y'all mouth, man.
[2:11:12] Speaker 2: No, you don't.
[2:11:13] Speaker 4: Trust me. Trust me. We got teammates. We done, trust me.
[2:11:16] Speaker 6: No, so, for me, it just, nah, I just, I
[2:11:26] Speaker 6: stay away from sex for about four to six weeks.
[2:11:29] Speaker 6: And that's for every fight.
[2:11:30] Speaker 2: Y'all have to. Y'all have to. Well, people say that
[2:11:33] Speaker 2: we shouldn't.
[2:11:34] Speaker 4: Hold on.
[2:11:35] Speaker 6: I know champions who don't. Like Terrence Crawford tell you
[2:11:37] Speaker 6: he do it a day of.
[2:11:39] Speaker 2: Me.
[2:11:41] Speaker 6: I'm like, four to six weeks, I cannot do that.
[2:11:43] Speaker 2: I dig it. Man, so he ain't got no ass
[2:11:45] Speaker 2: in the world.
[2:11:46] Speaker 4: We still a month.
[2:11:48] Speaker 13: We still two months out.
[2:11:51] Speaker 4: He can't count. Hey, welcome to the arena. Hey, welcome
[2:11:54] Speaker 4: to the arena, dog. Hey, welcome to the arena, my nigga.
[2:11:58] Speaker 4: That's why I didn't want to talk to y'all, man. No,
[2:12:01] Speaker 4: good job. No, hey. There's something to it, so....
[2:12:06] Speaker 5: So it was like that in the league for some dudes, right?
[2:12:08] Speaker 5: There was some dudes who wouldn't, like, night before, day of. Hey,
[2:12:12] Speaker 5: some of us, hey, right before we go get on
[2:12:14] Speaker 5: that bus, if she's still there, we're going, hey, we're.
[2:12:17] Speaker 4: Going to oblige, goddammit.
[2:12:19] Speaker 2: Hey, go right out there and give you 25.
[2:12:20] Speaker 4: There was a teammate who, like, at a certain time
[2:12:23] Speaker 4: before the game, he had to go to the parking
[2:12:26] Speaker 4: lot and get it. Because he did it once accidentally,
[2:12:29] Speaker 4: then scored.
[2:12:31] Speaker 6: But y'all ain't fighting, though.
[2:12:33] Speaker 4: I know.
[2:12:33] Speaker 6: Don't nobody want to be relaxing. You got a pit
[2:12:35] Speaker 6: bull on your ass. Like, if a pit bull ran
[2:12:39] Speaker 6: in here right now, everybody going to get the fuck
[2:12:41] Speaker 6: up and run fast.
[2:12:42] Speaker 4: Like, y'all going to dip. You like dogs?
[2:12:44] Speaker 2: But I'm not going to run from the dog.
[2:12:46] Speaker 4: You ain't going to run from the dog.
[2:12:47] Speaker 2: You ain't going to run from the dog.
[2:12:48] Speaker 4: I'm going to push you. Man, you ain't lying. You're black.
[2:12:50] Speaker 4: You see, this is the note. As a kid, yeah,
[2:12:53] Speaker 4: as I got older, I understand certain things, right?
[2:12:58] Speaker 2: You hit a dog right here, he gonna motherfucking wreck you.
[2:13:00] Speaker 4: Okay, so let's, we gonna.
[2:13:01] Speaker 6: Do a different thing for you. A lion comes in here,
[2:13:04] Speaker 6: we all gonna run.
[2:13:05] Speaker 2: That's a different story.
[2:13:07] Speaker 4: So that's the thing.
[2:13:08] Speaker 2: That's a different story.
[2:13:10] Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying. No, but that's what I'm saying.
[2:13:14] Speaker 2: That's how it is for me inside the ring.
[2:13:15] Speaker 6: People is crazy.
[2:13:20] Speaker 4: Keep it on.
[2:13:21] Speaker 2: Who done with Ken? I'm not fucking with him no more.
[2:13:25] Speaker 4: No, look.
[2:13:26] Speaker 6: When you're getting ready for a fight, these girls don't
[2:13:30] Speaker 6: have not even half or 10% of what I have.
[2:13:32] Speaker 6: They haven't accomplished what I... If they beat me, it
[2:13:35] Speaker 6: changed their whole life. You can watch a film and
[2:13:38] Speaker 6: be like, oh, did she fight like this and like that?
[2:13:40] Speaker 6: She coming to the fight being 10 times better than
[2:13:42] Speaker 6: that because she know if she drop me, if she
[2:13:45] Speaker 6: hurt me, if she beat me, it's going to change
[2:13:47] Speaker 6: her whole life. When you got somebody in there like that,
[2:13:51] Speaker 6: girls like that who you know, these girls are like, damn,
[2:13:53] Speaker 6: they're coming to kill you. I don't be playing with
[2:13:55] Speaker 6: these girls.
[2:13:56] Speaker 5: I'll reference this right with people. I try not to
[2:14:00] Speaker 5: get there, but I tell people not to listen. Your
[2:14:02] Speaker 5: mad not going to equal my mad.
[2:14:04] Speaker 2: There you go.
[2:14:06] Speaker 4: It's not.
[2:14:07] Speaker 5: With certain situations, you go there, we can go there,
[2:14:11] Speaker 5: but it's not going... I'm going to take it all
[2:14:13] Speaker 5: the way there with you. And that's when you're in
[2:14:15] Speaker 5: that environment, I can understand. It's a livelihood. You're trying
[2:14:19] Speaker 5: to hurt me. So I can only imagine when you
[2:14:22] Speaker 5: get there, when you already have that mentality in your daily,
[2:14:26] Speaker 5: and when somebody's actually trying to harm you, I can
[2:14:28] Speaker 5: only imagine.
[2:14:29] Speaker 6: I don't be thinking about being harmed.
[2:14:30] Speaker 4: These girls can't.
[2:14:31] Speaker 2: Fuck with me. No, but you're trying not to let them, though.
[2:14:34] Speaker 4: That's why that defense word is, though.
[2:14:35] Speaker 6: See, the defense is there because I want to show, like, listen,
[2:14:39] Speaker 6: I got skills, but... Listen.
[2:14:42] Speaker 2: You got to do it, Nick.
[2:14:43] Speaker 6: I'd be so excited to fight.
[2:14:44] Speaker 4: I don't make no sense.
[2:14:46] Speaker 2: What does got to do it?
[2:14:47] Speaker 4: I've lost twice before.
[2:14:48] Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's still a discipline.
[2:14:51] Speaker 4: And you've been fighting since 13. 11.
[2:14:54] Speaker 2: 11. So where did that number come from? Is that
[2:14:57] Speaker 2: a trainer? Is that another.
[2:14:58] Speaker 4: Professional that said this is a time frame?
[2:15:02] Speaker 2: Did you read something?
[2:15:03] Speaker 4: Because it's... No.
[2:15:06] Speaker 6: I go for how... My body feels right. So one,
[2:15:09] Speaker 6: I'm not like a lot of women. I didn't start
[2:15:13] Speaker 6: doing that till I was 17 after I won the Olympics.
[2:15:16] Speaker 6: So I wasn't like young just getting it in. 17,
[2:15:18] Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, now I guess I have a boyfriend
[2:15:20] Speaker 6: and I can do this stuff now. Then after that,
[2:15:23] Speaker 6: as I continued my boxing career... You like you hear
[2:15:26] Speaker 6: these things. So, of course, you got to test it out.
[2:15:29] Speaker 6: So I had like a little boyfriend I had and
[2:15:32] Speaker 6: we did it the week of and then I fought
[2:15:34] Speaker 6: and I was like, oh, my God, it was for me.
[2:15:38] Speaker 6: It was terrible. It was terrible. And I said, I
[2:15:40] Speaker 6: ain't doing that shit no more. So then I went
[2:15:41] Speaker 6: to a to a month. And then I'm like, okay,
[2:15:45] Speaker 6: let's try going without it for a month. And, you know,
[2:15:47] Speaker 6: telling a young man that is, you know, definitely an issue. So,
[2:15:51] Speaker 6: of course, you get cheated on, whatever. And whatever. But
[2:15:56] Speaker 6: I fought better. I fought better. So I'm like, well,
[2:16:00] Speaker 6: you can go out and do whatever the fuck you
[2:16:02] Speaker 6: want to do as long as I win. So now
[2:16:05] Speaker 6: that we have four weeks now, I just kind of
[2:16:07] Speaker 6: kept that whole thing with me throughout my career, like,
[2:16:10] Speaker 6: The Olympics, I mean, but the Olympics, though, I probably
[2:16:12] Speaker 6: went three months without because I didn't even have a
[2:16:14] Speaker 6: boyfriend at the time, and I was just strictly focused
[2:16:16] Speaker 6: on just trying to win a gold medal, be the
[2:16:18] Speaker 6: best in the world.
[2:16:21] Speaker 4: It's tough.
[2:16:21] Speaker 6: You know, you really can't think about anything else but winning. So, yeah,
[2:16:26] Speaker 6: I mean, but I think that's a decent time, and
[2:16:31] Speaker 6: the men that I've been with, I let them know
[2:16:32] Speaker 6: that before we even got in a relationship, and if
[2:16:34] Speaker 6: they can't do it, I'd be like, okay, cool, I understand, but.
[2:16:38] Speaker 6: I'm not going to let nobody come in between me
[2:16:39] Speaker 6: and my career over something.
[2:16:41] Speaker 5: If they care about you, they're going to understand that.
[2:16:43] Speaker 5: If they want to be with you, they're going to
[2:16:45] Speaker 5: understand that. They're going to want this for you and
[2:16:48] Speaker 5: they're not going to make it an issue. You know
[2:16:50] Speaker 5: what I'm saying?
[2:16:51] Speaker 4: I just like that discipline part because since you've been younger,
[2:16:56] Speaker 4: that's crazy.
[2:16:59] Speaker 9: Who's somebody you want to come to your fights and
[2:17:01] Speaker 9: see you? Somebody that you would want to come see
[2:17:04] Speaker 9: like a celebrity?
[2:17:05] Speaker 6: Oh, Lord have mercy on me. Everybody I want I
[2:17:09] Speaker 6: want I want Beyonce to come to a fight right
[2:17:12] Speaker 6: there my corner. Yeah, give her a nice Pull up
[2:17:14] Speaker 6: goddammit Beyonce to come um with somebody that came.
[2:17:16] Speaker 4: That you was like, oh Honestly.
[2:17:36] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[2:17:37] Speaker 6: Anyways, who came to my fight that I would just like,
[2:17:42] Speaker 6: I can't believe that they're here, had to be, you
[2:17:47] Speaker 6: make me forget.
[2:17:48] Speaker 4: Yeah. dog. There you go.
[2:17:52] Speaker 6: It was Terrence Crawford, to be honest with you. And
[2:17:54] Speaker 6: then Shakur came to a fight. That's all right. Who
[2:17:58] Speaker 6: else came? Andre Ward came to a fight. I remember
[2:18:00] Speaker 6: when all of them came as like a collective. I
[2:18:02] Speaker 6: think I was fighting for my third undisputed title.
[2:18:04] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:18:05] Speaker 6: And Terrence was there. Andre Ward was there. Shakur was there.
[2:18:08] Speaker 6: And I don't know. It's like when you got people
[2:18:11] Speaker 6: who you look up to at your fight, it just
[2:18:13] Speaker 6: made me overperform. And I just remember being like, I
[2:18:16] Speaker 6: got to make history in front of them.
[2:18:17] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:18:18] Speaker 6: And I'd be going to their fights, you know what
[2:18:21] Speaker 6: I'm saying? But it's just different to, because I'm a woman,
[2:18:24] Speaker 6: I guess, for them to actually come and be in
[2:18:26] Speaker 6: the crowd and show that excitement and that support.
[2:18:29] Speaker 2: Some questions for you. Terrence got a shot.
[2:18:31] Speaker 4: I was about to say that. You got a shot
[2:18:33] Speaker 4: at Bud?
[2:18:34] Speaker 2: I mean, should Bud have a shot at Canelo? Absolutely. Yeah?
[2:18:38] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
[2:18:39] Speaker 6: Listen, that's twin right there.
[2:18:41] Speaker 2: Okay, I dig it.
[2:18:42] Speaker 6: The fact that... No, he's from Omaha, Nebraska.
[2:18:45] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:18:46] Speaker 4: Same thing, same thing. No, it's not. Definitely not. Swaggy
[2:18:50] Speaker 4: has to protect himself, too. Let's get back.
[2:18:52] Speaker 2: To the question. Don't you not protect yourself? Yo, so
[2:18:54] Speaker 2: when you heard him over there talking to me.
[2:18:56] Speaker 4: Hold on.
[2:18:56] Speaker 2: Hold on. So before you heard him over there talking before.
[2:18:59] Speaker 5: He has two imaginary friends, Cedric and Rodney. He was
[2:19:02] Speaker 5: not speaking with you. You know what I mean? He
[2:19:05] Speaker 5: was talking to them when he distracted you. He was
[2:19:08] Speaker 5: talking to Cedric and Rodney.
[2:19:09] Speaker 4: It had nothing to.
[2:19:10] Speaker 2: Do with you. Okay. Back to what we were speaking about.
[2:19:15] Speaker 6: Terrence definitely has a shot. Not only because, well, one,
[2:19:19] Speaker 6: let's talk about something. The man undefeated. It's a different
[2:19:22] Speaker 6: mentality that undefeated fighters got.
[2:19:24] Speaker 2: Can he hurt Canelo?
[2:19:25] Speaker 6: Come on now. Absolutely. First of all, hurting somebody is
[2:19:29] Speaker 6: not about no weight class.
[2:19:30] Speaker 4: I dig it.
[2:19:30] Speaker 6: It's about how you punch.
[2:19:33] Speaker 2: It is.
[2:19:33] Speaker 6: Terrence Strong as hell.
[2:19:34] Speaker 5: But Canelo been hit by Gennady Golovkin. That's what I
[2:19:38] Speaker 5: don't think.
[2:19:39] Speaker 6: And they fought at 54.
[2:19:40] Speaker 2: Those were 68.
[2:19:42] Speaker 4: They fought at 54. 68. Who?
[2:19:44] Speaker 2: Gennady Golovkin and.
[2:19:45] Speaker 4: You got to do your homework.
[2:19:46] Speaker 2: Gennady Golovkin and.
[2:19:48] Speaker 6: And.
[2:19:49] Speaker 2: And Canelo.
[2:19:49] Speaker 6: Triple G and Canelo fought at.
[2:19:51] Speaker 2: The three times they.
[2:19:52] Speaker 6: Fought at 54 or 60?
[2:19:53] Speaker 4: 154.
[2:19:53] Speaker 6: They did not fight at 68.
[2:19:53] Speaker 4: 60 or 68. I think it was 54. 154.
[2:19:54] Speaker 2: You don't think it was 54?
[2:19:56] Speaker 4: Triple G ain't never been at 54. Is you crazy?
[2:20:01] Speaker 4: Triple G ain't never been at 54.
[2:20:02] Speaker 6: How come he never fought against Andre Ward?
[2:20:04] Speaker 2: Triple G ain't never been at 54.
[2:20:05] Speaker 4: You crazy?
[2:20:06] Speaker 2: He never fought at 54. He did.
[2:20:08] Speaker 4: No.
[2:20:09] Speaker 6: Do we got to... Somebody bring it up.
[2:20:11] Speaker 4: Bring it up.
[2:20:12] Speaker 2: They fought at 60 and 68.
[2:20:13] Speaker 6: Triple G ain't never fought no 68.
[2:20:17] Speaker 2: He ain't fight at 159.
[2:20:19] Speaker 6: Why he never fought against Ward?
[2:20:21] Speaker 2: Andre Ward was 6'8, 75.
[2:20:23] Speaker 4: You're right.
[2:20:24] Speaker 2: It was 60. It wasn't 54.
[2:20:26] Speaker 5: Canelo didn't fight at 54.
[2:20:28] Speaker 2: 22 and 168. Super middleweight. Yeah, they didn't.
[2:20:30] Speaker 4: Fight at 54.
[2:20:31] Speaker 2: Who fights in middleweight?
[2:20:33] Speaker 13: Canelo?
[2:20:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, Canelo. Yeah, they didn't fight at... They never fought
[2:20:37] Speaker 2: at 54.
[2:20:39] Speaker 6: That's crazy.
[2:20:39] Speaker 2: Trust me.
[2:20:40] Speaker 4: You got me there. Wait, wait, wait.
[2:20:43] Speaker 2: 1.64 and 1.60 is a different class?
[2:20:44] Speaker 4: Yes. So, 54, 60, 68. So, they fought 60 or 68?
[2:20:46] Speaker 4: I think they fought at 61st and then 68.
[2:20:48] Speaker 6: They definitely fought at 68 in 2022.
[2:20:49] Speaker 7: Huh?
[2:20:49] Speaker 4: Canelo and....
[2:20:55] Speaker 6: Golovkin fought at a catch weight of 155 in the
[2:20:58] Speaker 6: first fight.
[2:20:59] Speaker 4: For the second fight.
[2:21:00] Speaker 6: They both weighed in at 160, which is the middleweight limit.
[2:21:03] Speaker 2: They're super middleweight, I think.
[2:21:06] Speaker 6: Well, 55 definitely happened. But yeah, I got 1668.
[2:21:10] Speaker 4: 154, 155, that's the same shit.
[2:21:13] Speaker 6: I've never heard somebody switch and do that. Because I
[2:21:16] Speaker 6: would fight against somebody at the same weight.
[2:21:18] Speaker 2: Because they made Triple G come down. Triple G won one. No,
[2:21:21] Speaker 2: he won the first fight. Triple G got cheated the
[2:21:24] Speaker 2: first fight. He beat Canelo.
[2:21:27] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[2:21:27] Speaker 2: I'll watch it again. Let's go watch it now. One
[2:21:30] Speaker 2: thing I do, I'm a big.
[2:21:32] Speaker 4: I've transitioned over to the men's side of UFC and
[2:21:37] Speaker 4: stuff like that, but I've been a big-time boxing fan for.
[2:21:41] Speaker 2: A long time.
[2:21:42] Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you definitely had me there.
[2:21:44] Speaker 2: Like, through the triple, through Andre Ward and them and....
[2:21:48] Speaker 5: Kawasaki and them doing the round robin thing where they
[2:21:51] Speaker 5: all fought trying to see who was going to go
[2:21:53] Speaker 5: and all that.
[2:21:54] Speaker 2: Kessler and Super 6, Kessler, Kawasaki. I'm like, I'm... Yeah, I'm... Okay,
[2:22:00] Speaker 2: so you in tune.
[2:22:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you're in tune.
[2:22:03] Speaker 2: I'm in tune with world star. This fucking fool. I'm
[2:22:08] Speaker 2: just saying. Don't pay them no mind. World star, right?
[2:22:11] Speaker 1: So, undisputed champ, three different weight classes. What's it like
[2:22:15] Speaker 1: for you having to deal with boxers ducking, you know,
[2:22:17] Speaker 1: people that talk a bunch, but when it's time to
[2:22:20] Speaker 1: get the deal done, they not ready?
[2:22:23] Speaker 6: It's annoying. It's annoying, but it's also too, like, you
[2:22:26] Speaker 6: know what? I already know I can smoke everybody, so
[2:22:29] Speaker 6: I don't really get mad when they turn it down.
[2:22:31] Speaker 4: I've been doing it already. She will.
[2:22:33] Speaker 2: That's crazy.
[2:22:34] Speaker 3: Don't you think you need somebody else like you in
[2:22:37] Speaker 3: women's boxing?
[2:22:37] Speaker 4: What's her favorite boxer? If you like that, you like that.
[2:22:40] Speaker 4: You like LeBron, but don't you feel like you need one? Yeah,
[2:22:42] Speaker 4: there you go.
[2:22:42] Speaker 6: LeBron, Kobe, Muhammad Ali.
[2:22:44] Speaker 4: The rest of the fields.
[2:22:45] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:22:46] Speaker 4: But do you need somebody else?
[2:22:47] Speaker 6: Do I need a dance partner?
[2:22:50] Speaker 3: I'd like somebody to help you bring the sport up more.
[2:22:53] Speaker 2: We only come to see you fight.
[2:22:56] Speaker 6: To help bring the sport up? They better train and
[2:22:59] Speaker 6: get better. That's not my problem.
[2:23:01] Speaker 4: It's not. I can. I will.
[2:23:05] Speaker 2: Does them dodging you hurt your bag?
[2:23:09] Speaker 4: Nah.
[2:23:11] Speaker 6: Making a million and something next fight too. Without them.
[2:23:16] Speaker 4: Okay. See, that's the thing. I don't need, you know. No, no, like,
[2:23:22] Speaker 4: you know, like, if we're going back and forth and
[2:23:24] Speaker 4: we get the hype and the money is going up
[2:23:26] Speaker 4: and then you dodge it.
[2:23:28] Speaker 2: They're not going to fight her, bro.
[2:23:30] Speaker 4: Huh?
[2:23:30] Speaker 2: They're not going to fight her.
[2:23:31] Speaker 4: I know, I know, but does that hurt? It's about matchmaking. No,
[2:23:35] Speaker 4: I still make the money.
[2:23:35] Speaker 2: For her, it's about the fight. For other people, it's
[2:23:38] Speaker 2: about matchmaking, dog.
[2:23:39] Speaker 5: They not going to put these prize fighters, they need
[2:23:42] Speaker 5: that older remain.
[2:23:44] Speaker 4: They not going to put them in there with her. No,
[2:23:46] Speaker 4: I know that. I know the ass one part. I'm
[2:23:47] Speaker 4: saying just for the hype. You know how sometimes two
[2:23:49] Speaker 4: people that's supposed to fight, the bag goes up.
[2:23:52] Speaker 6: I mean, so I'm in my first meal fighting against
[2:23:55] Speaker 6: Savannah Marshall. I don't know if y'all watched the fire inside,
[2:23:57] Speaker 6: but that's the girl that beat me in the amateurs
[2:23:59] Speaker 6: right before the Olympics, right? So I fought against her
[2:24:02] Speaker 6: in the pros. For the Undisputed Championship at 160, I
[2:24:05] Speaker 6: went all the way to the UK to whip her ass, okay?
[2:24:09] Speaker 6: 20,000 fans there, I made my first million.
[2:24:11] Speaker 4: Boom.
[2:24:11] Speaker 6: I'm fighting against girls who not even known like her
[2:24:14] Speaker 6: and don't got as much notoriety as her.
[2:24:17] Speaker 4: And guess what?
[2:24:17] Speaker 6: I'm still making a million, a million some change now.
[2:24:21] Speaker 6: So what I've learned that it's not really about my opponents.
[2:24:25] Speaker 6: I have that Mike Tyson effect. When Mike Tyson was
[2:24:28] Speaker 6: coming up, you didn't care about who Mike Tyson was fighting.
[2:24:30] Speaker 6: You could probably name six, seven people, but... you showed
[2:24:34] Speaker 6: up and got your ass in the seat because you
[2:24:35] Speaker 6: knew 18 seconds, this shit going to be over. He
[2:24:39] Speaker 6: can get this over in 18 seconds, two or three rounds.
[2:24:42] Speaker 6: You didn't want to miss it. And that's what I have.
[2:24:45] Speaker 6: You know you're going to get an action-packed fight and
[2:24:48] Speaker 6: somebody's going to get hurt. Well, not somebody.
[2:24:49] Speaker 2: Them.
[2:24:50] Speaker 1: So, speaking of that, we got a clip of how
[2:24:54] Speaker 1: your last fight with Daniel Perkins ended back in February.
[2:24:56] Speaker 4: We want to see it for everybody. Oh, man.
[2:25:00] Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
[2:25:05] Speaker 4: That's that big dog right there. Yeah.
[2:25:13] Speaker 6: Yeah, that's Big Woke.
[2:25:16] Speaker 4: Hey, she hit that fentanyl lean. Hey, she hit that
[2:25:18] Speaker 4: fentanyl lean, dog.
[2:25:19] Speaker 2: Hey, her glove hit the, she didn't fall all the way, glove, yeah.
[2:25:23] Speaker 4: That real dope fiend lean. The dope fiend lean.
[2:25:25] Speaker 2: Oh, that's that dope fiend lean. That is a dope
[2:25:27] Speaker 2: fiend lean.
[2:25:28] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
[2:25:42] Speaker 6: Danielle was tough as hell, though. I'm not gonna lie.
[2:25:44] Speaker 6: That's probably the strongest girl I've fought.
[2:25:46] Speaker 4: Against, man.
[2:25:48] Speaker 1: So, like we talked about at the beginning of your segment,
[2:25:50] Speaker 1: you're fighting July 26th, Little Caesars Arena, Detroit, against Lonnie Daniels.
[2:25:55] Speaker 1: What's your prediction for the fight against Lonnie Daniels on
[2:25:57] Speaker 1: July 26th?
[2:25:58] Speaker 2: Um.
[2:25:59] Speaker 6: July 26th, first, I predict that 19,000 are gonna be
[2:26:03] Speaker 6: in the building, get your tickets on Ticketmaster.
[2:26:05] Speaker 4: Okay.
[2:26:06] Speaker 6: And then I predict that, honestly, I have watched Lonnie Daniels' film.
[2:26:11] Speaker 6: And I've watched her interviews, and I've seen what she
[2:26:14] Speaker 6: bringing to the table, and I've actually amplified her up some.
[2:26:17] Speaker 6: I'm like, you know what, let me imagine her times
[2:26:19] Speaker 6: 10 of this. And what I've seen so far, Lonnie
[2:26:24] Speaker 6: going to be going down before round six.
[2:26:26] Speaker 2: Oh, dang.
[2:26:26] Speaker 4: Even times 10. Damn.
[2:26:27] Speaker 2: Even times 10 of like... He times 10. He times 10.
[2:26:29] Speaker 4: Higher.
[2:26:29] Speaker 2: Lord.
[2:26:30] Speaker 4: Lord.
[2:26:30] Speaker 2: Lord.
[2:26:30] Speaker 4: That was boring. But.
[2:26:31] Speaker 2: He just got a.
[2:26:32] Speaker 4: Well, I'm so happy Ryan got that ass tapped. Oh,
[2:26:33] Speaker 4: my God. I was like, thank you, Jesus.
[2:26:35] Speaker 2: Thank you. He deserved it. I'm so sick of him.
[2:26:38] Speaker 4: But, no, let me get back on topic.
[2:26:39] Speaker 2: Um....
[2:26:55] Speaker 6: No, you were saying about the... Yeah, you know, it's
[2:26:57] Speaker 6: a science, but it's a hurt business. And people got
[2:27:00] Speaker 6: to remember that. Just ask yourself, do you want to
[2:27:03] Speaker 6: hurt somebody? And if you do, you hurt them. I
[2:27:05] Speaker 6: want to hurt these girls.
[2:27:07] Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I want to hurt them. Yo, y'all think
[2:27:12] Speaker 4: I'm nuts. Yeah, I do not think that. I honestly
[2:27:16] Speaker 4: do not think that. But it's the same. I play
[2:27:19] Speaker 4: basketball the same way.
[2:27:22] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:27:22] Speaker 4: I play basketball the same way.
[2:27:24] Speaker 5: You play basketball in a box? No, I play basketball
[2:27:27] Speaker 5: that aggressive. Like, that's the way I went out there.
[2:27:29] Speaker 4: I mean, you say you play basketball in a box. No,
[2:27:31] Speaker 4: but it's old.
[2:27:32] Speaker 2: I moved to Oak Cliff.
[2:27:33] Speaker 6: I would tell somebody, like, if I played basketball, I'd
[2:27:37] Speaker 6: be like the female Draymond Green.
[2:27:38] Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about? Real life.
[2:27:40] Speaker 4: As calculated as the shit that Draymond does. He's calculated.
[2:27:44] Speaker 4: Keep Delisha on because if Delisha's off, you don't know what... Oh,
[2:27:58] Speaker 4: he's crazy.
[2:27:59] Speaker 2: Two crazy things that y'all let slide.
[2:28:01] Speaker 4: He clotheslined a man for some shit he's seen as
[2:28:05] Speaker 4: a child.
[2:28:06] Speaker 5: So I grew up a Pistons fan. I'm a Detroit
[2:28:08] Speaker 5: Pistons fan.
[2:28:09] Speaker 4: I love Ben Wallace.
[2:28:11] Speaker 2: I'm a bad boys Pistons fan. I'm an early 90s.
[2:28:16] Speaker 5: Carmelo elbowed Isaiah Thomas and gave him like 40 stitches.
[2:28:19] Speaker 5: How old was you when you saw that? I was
[2:28:21] Speaker 5: in high school, maybe. I was in high school. So
[2:28:25] Speaker 5: when I made it to the league, Karl Malone was
[2:28:27] Speaker 5: still playing.
[2:28:29] Speaker 4: So you did it.
[2:28:29] Speaker 6: Had a flashback.
[2:28:31] Speaker 14: Yeah, I had a flashback. So I went upside this
[2:28:34] Speaker 14: man's head. Got you dedicated. He played basketball. He boxed
[2:28:39] Speaker 14: to play basketball and sucked dogs. He hit a.
[2:28:42] Speaker 4: He sucked dogs. That's crazy. He clotheslined a man for
[2:28:45] Speaker 4: another man. He's watching his favorite player get clotheslined. And
[2:28:49] Speaker 4: in the middle of the game, he's like... I ain't
[2:28:52] Speaker 4: never heard nobody say anything about life. That's physique.
[2:28:58] Speaker 3: The pit bull ran in here.
[2:29:01] Speaker 4: See, this is the thing. People ask, so I was
[2:29:04] Speaker 4: going to tell you this, right? So this is the statement, right?
[2:29:10] Speaker 5: No, because you're going to ask somebody, if somebody dog
[2:29:12] Speaker 5: walk here, right?
[2:29:15] Speaker 4: Most people are going to ask if their dog bites, right?
[2:29:18] Speaker 4: I don't care if your fucking dog bites. Because, listen,
[2:29:22] Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. Because if he get after it, he
[2:29:25] Speaker 4: going to have to, listen.
[2:29:27] Speaker 2: He going to whoop the dog?
[2:29:27] Speaker 4: No, bro, you going to be mad. I tell people
[2:29:30] Speaker 4: to get your dog because.
[2:29:31] Speaker 6: You're going to be mad at me. I said it
[2:29:34] Speaker 6: when I got my gun on me.
[2:29:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're going to be mad at me, man.
[2:29:38] Speaker 4: If I ain't got my gun on me, I'm not. Listen,
[2:29:40] Speaker 4: you're going to be mad at me.
[2:29:42] Speaker 2: I got a 220-pound dog at home. You don't listen.
[2:29:44] Speaker 4: I've had massive, every.
[2:29:46] Speaker 5: Dog I've had has been at least that big. But, listen,
[2:29:48] Speaker 5: if your dog got a collar on him, he in trouble.
[2:29:51] Speaker 5: I'm going to just tell you that shit right now.
[2:29:53] Speaker 4: Brother, your dog was in the cage, and I called you.
[2:29:56] Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's my dog.
[2:29:59] Speaker 4: Both your dogs were in the cage. So it's just
[2:30:03] Speaker 4: like somebody asked me, so if your dog bites you,
[2:30:05] Speaker 4: so I've heard to do your dog bite, you're going
[2:30:08] Speaker 4: to say he don't bite me? So I'm not worried
[2:30:10] Speaker 4: about if your dog bites now because you don't know
[2:30:12] Speaker 4: if your dog bites because he's not going to bite you.
[2:30:14] Speaker 6: Well, I got a pit bull and my dog bite.
[2:30:17] Speaker 4: I've been around. I got a 220-pound South African master.
[2:30:21] Speaker 4: She had a gun.
[2:30:22] Speaker 2: She ain't say.
[2:30:24] Speaker 3: She gonna go head up with the dog like you.
[2:30:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, I dig it.
[2:30:29] Speaker 4: Nick. Clarissa, we appreciate you. She's a lady first.
[2:30:32] Speaker 2: Gales Arena.
[2:30:33] Speaker 4: Presented by Underdog. I think we have something.
[2:30:37] Speaker 2: We do have something.
[2:30:39] Speaker 1: If you want to scoot over a little bit closer
[2:30:40] Speaker 1: to Gil, we have a special treat for Swaggy. Swaggy,
[2:30:43] Speaker 1: I know you thought that the steak... And the card
[2:30:45] Speaker 1: was all we have for you. It is your birthday weekend.
[2:30:48] Speaker 1: Our crew has gotten you another present that we are
[2:30:50] Speaker 1: bringing into the arena right now before we go.
[2:30:53] Speaker 4: What we got? What you do for me, man? We
[2:30:55] Speaker 4: got child support. Child support.
[2:30:59] Speaker 2: She fouled this morning.
[2:31:01] Speaker 4: Just fresh from the courthouse, Swaggy. Uh-oh.
[2:31:05] Speaker 12: The box.
[2:31:05] Speaker 2: There's nothing in the box.
[2:31:11] Speaker 4: That's a cake? It's some cake. It's some cake. It's
[2:31:15] Speaker 4: some cake. It's a cake.
[2:31:17] Speaker 11: Is there some real cake?
[2:31:18] Speaker 4: For me?
[2:31:19] Speaker 2: It's a cake.
[2:31:20] Speaker 3: I thought somebody was going to pop out the motherfucker.
[2:31:24] Speaker 4: Pop it out. I thought it was double.
[2:31:26] Speaker 2: I'm scared.
[2:31:27] Speaker 4: How old are you again? I'm 35. How old? Thank you.
[2:31:40] Speaker 4: Happy birthday, homie. Oh, go ahead.
[2:31:42] Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Swaggy.
[2:31:49] Speaker 4: Thank you.
[2:31:50] Speaker 2: Happy birthday to you.
[2:31:53] Speaker 4: Happy birthday, dear Swaggy. Blow out the candles, don't spit
[2:32:09] Speaker 4: on the cake though.
[2:32:12] Speaker 7: Swaggy Oh, yeah, we got to eat that.
[2:32:33] Speaker 2: Are we going to have that cake?
[2:32:35] Speaker 4: Swaggy, happy birthday. Thank you, man.
[2:32:36] Speaker 12: Clarissa Shields, appreciate you pulling up. July 26th, Little Caesars Arena.
[2:32:41] Speaker 12: Make sure y'all get a ticket or get that pay-per-view cracking.
[2:32:44] Speaker 12: Appreciate everybody in the chat. Appreciate everybody on this couch.
[2:32:47] Speaker 12: This has been another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:32:50] Speaker 1: We will see y'all next week.

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