# SGA & The OKC Thunder's BIG Win TRIGGERS Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 27 May 2026, 2 h 05 min.

Audio: https://podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/895dfae1-64b0-4981-adea-b4b300f0d0f6/6bf7aee8-fe0c-43c4-a378-b4b3011dccff/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=d110bf8d-fc65-45fb-856f-b4b300f0d117

Shai Gilgeous Alexander & The OKC Thunder's BIG Win SILENCES Gil's Arena as the Gil's Arena Crew react to the OKC Thunder taking Game 5 of the Western Conference Finals and give their biggest takeaways from the reigning champs getting 1 win away from back to back trips to the NBA Finals. They break down how Victor Wembanyama deserves more blame for the San Antonio Spurs' losses this series and react to the Alien ducking the media following the Game 5 loss before analyzing how the Thunder's role players like Jared McCain & Alex Caruso are stepping up to save the team in the absences of Jalen Williams and Ajay Mitchell. Next, they react to the announcement of the NBA's All NBA teams and give their biggest winners and losers from the league's placement of their top 15 players of the season. They then give a post-mortem of the Cleveland Cavaliers following their sweep to the New York Knicks and break down what went wrong for the Cavs as they went out sorry, debating if the team should blow it up after James Harden & Donovan Mitchell proved they do not have enough juice to overcome the best in the East. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Brandon Jennings, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:57 SGA & The Thunder Silence The Spurs 0:06:17 Chet Finally Shows Up Against Wemby 0:48:05 Reacting To The All NBA Teams 1:20:52 Jalen Duren Earns A Super Max 1:40:58 LeBron Misses Out On All NBA Team 1:54:54 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by underdog Woo Woo.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Woo Woo.
[0:08] Speaker 1: Okay, that was a very spirited Woo Woo. Appreciate you
[0:10] Speaker 1: guys on this glorious Wednesday. Hump day for some. Some
[0:14] Speaker 1: teams got humped. Some teams got over the hump. But
[0:18] Speaker 1: this is Gil's Arena presented by underdog Woo Woo. I'm
[0:21] Speaker 1: merely a host, Josiah Johnson. We got one of the
[0:23] Speaker 1: biggest legends in the sports media game, Skip Bayless.
[0:25] Speaker 2: Back in the building.
[0:31] Speaker 1: And making his return day two from the far east
[0:33] Speaker 1: corner of the world, we have NBA champion of the world,
[0:36] Speaker 1: Swaggy P, Nick Young.
[0:38] Speaker 3: Swaggy. Okay.
[0:43] Speaker 4: A.K.A. Bruce Leroy, A.K.A. Blackie Chan. What's up, Swag? Keep
[0:49] Speaker 4: a straight face. He's growing in life.
[0:51] Speaker 3: I like it.
[0:53] Speaker 4: Embracing all cultures. He took a trip.
[0:55] Speaker 2: You do.
[0:57] Speaker 3: After yesterday, it's time. I'm trying to show you who
[1:04] Speaker 3: Chung Long Lee is.
[1:06] Speaker 4: Chung Long Lee. Catching bullets with his teeth.
[1:10] Speaker 1: And on this side of the couch, representing Tough Crowd
[1:12] Speaker 1: and a card-carrying country club member, and also the purveyor
[1:15] Speaker 1: of Tough Crowd golf, we got Mr. B, Brandon Jennings.
[1:17] Speaker 3: Shout-out.
[1:23] Speaker 4: Shout-out.
[1:24] Speaker 1: Last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry,
[1:27] Speaker 1: NCAA champion of the world, Dr.
[1:29] Speaker 4: Rashad McCants, PhD.
[1:36] Speaker 2: That was easy. It was.
[1:40] Speaker 4: No double?
[1:41] Speaker 3: It was easy.
[1:42] Speaker 4: No double today?
[1:43] Speaker 2: No double.
[1:44] Speaker 4: No double, okay. Who's that, Cooper Flack? Okay.
[1:49] Speaker 2: Cooper the Hooper.
[1:50] Speaker 1: Cooper the Hooper. Oh, we got a lot to get into.
[1:53] Speaker 1: Here's what's cracking in Gil's arena today. The Undermann Thunder
[1:58] Speaker 1: protected home court to take a 3-2 lead in the
[2:01] Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals.
[2:01] Speaker 3: What did you call it?
[2:02] Speaker 4: The Undermann, missing Jalen Williams, missing A.J. Mitchell.
[2:05] Speaker 3: What did you call it before? What goes down and where?
[2:09] Speaker 4: Huh?
[2:10] Speaker 5: And what show?
[2:11] Speaker 6: What?
[2:12] Speaker 3: No, no, just the arena. Oh, okay, okay.
[2:16] Speaker 4: The Undermann.
[2:17] Speaker 2: What did you thought he said?
[2:18] Speaker 3: I thought he said something else.
[2:19] Speaker 4: I said, here's what's cracking in Gil's arena today. Oh.
[2:22] Speaker 3: See, that's what he said.
[2:25] Speaker 1: Under Man Thunder protected home court to take a 3-2
[2:27] Speaker 1: lead in the Western Conference Finals. Are Wimby and the
[2:32] Speaker 1: Spurs cooked? The league announced to all NBA teams, but
[2:36] Speaker 1: did the voters get it right? We weren't going to
[2:38] Speaker 1: hit this yesterday. We had to hit it today. We
[2:40] Speaker 1: had a very spirited discussion debate leading up into Game
[2:43] Speaker 1: 5 of the Western Conference Finals, but we will discuss
[2:45] Speaker 1: the all NBA teams today. And fresh off a sweep
[2:48] Speaker 1: in the conference finals, the Cavs have some tough decisions
[2:51] Speaker 1: to make this offseason. Should they run it back with
[2:54] Speaker 1: Spider and the beard? Reports are they're leaning in that direction.
[2:58] Speaker 1: Kenny Atkinson also reportedly coming back for his third season.
[3:01] Speaker 1: But before we get into all that, this show is
[3:04] Speaker 1: brought to you by Underdog. Underdog's available in most states,
[3:06] Speaker 1: including Texas, California, and Florida. New customers get $ 50 in
[3:10] Speaker 1: bonus entries when they play just $ 5. To get started,
[3:13] Speaker 1: just use code GIL when you sign up and it'll
[3:15] Speaker 1: load instantly. Underdog, make picks, win money with code GIL.
[3:20] Speaker 1: And with the playoffs heating up, Underdog is dropping six 40%
[3:23] Speaker 1: boosts during the conference finals. Boost your lineups all series
[3:26] Speaker 1: long and call your shot on Underdog. You better get
[3:30] Speaker 1: it while the getting's good. This series may not last
[3:32] Speaker 1: much longer, according to some on this couch. But if
[3:35] Speaker 1: you can't watch the show live with us on YouTube,
[3:37] Speaker 1: we got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you
[3:40] Speaker 1: get your podcasts. So let's get right to it. Spurs
[3:43] Speaker 1: put together a defensive masterclass in their Game 4 win
[3:46] Speaker 1: over the Thunder in the Western Conference Finals, holding OKC
[3:49] Speaker 1: to season lows of 82 points and 33% shooting, including 18%
[3:53] Speaker 1: from three. In what proved to be the Thunder's worst
[3:56] Speaker 1: game of the season, series shifted back to Oklahoma City
[3:59] Speaker 1: for a pivotal Game 5. So when the Conference Finals
[4:02] Speaker 1: are tied 2-2, The Game 5 winner takes the series 76%
[4:07] Speaker 1: of the time. Thunder once again without Jalen Williams and A.J.
[4:10] Speaker 1: Mitchell as Jared McCain got his first career playoff start.
[4:14] Speaker 1: SGA and the supporting cast understood the test and had
[4:17] Speaker 1: all the answers. Let's take a look at the highlights
[4:19] Speaker 1: if we can, please. Very extensive highlights. So Julian Champagny
[4:23] Speaker 1: was 6 for 31 from 3 through the first four
[4:25] Speaker 1: games of the series. Pace the Spurs scoring 13 of
[4:28] Speaker 1: their first 18 points. including three shots from distance. Chet
[4:32] Speaker 1: Holmgren had eight of the Thunder's first 15 points going
[4:35] Speaker 1: four for four from the field, while Wimby had just
[4:38] Speaker 1: two points in the first frame, attempting one shot, and
[4:41] Speaker 1: SGA was one for five from the field with three turnovers.
[4:45] Speaker 1: The Thunder had seven turnovers in the first quarter alone,
[4:47] Speaker 1: giving up 11 points off of them, but still led
[4:49] Speaker 1: by two heading into the second quarter. OKC caught fire
[4:52] Speaker 1: to start the second frame with SGA on the bench,
[4:55] Speaker 1: going on a 10-3 run to take a nine-point lead.
[4:58] Speaker 1: Thunder led by as much as 10 before the Spurs responded,
[5:01] Speaker 1: going on a 9-0 run of their own to cut
[5:02] Speaker 1: the deficit to one. But Ashea got to cooking to
[5:07] Speaker 1: keep the Thunder in control, scoring 12 points in the
[5:10] Speaker 1: final seven minutes of the half as OKC outscored San
[5:14] Speaker 1: Antonio 40-31 in the second quarter to take an 11-point
[5:17] Speaker 1: lead into the break. 69 first half points, just 13
[5:22] Speaker 1: shy of their total from game four. Thunder kept rolling
[5:24] Speaker 1: in the third quarter. starting the period with a 9-0
[5:27] Speaker 1: run to take a 20-point lead. Wimby gave his squad
[5:31] Speaker 1: an impassioned speech on the bench during the timeout early
[5:33] Speaker 1: in the quarter, and the Spurs tried to rally, cutting
[5:35] Speaker 1: the deficit to eight as various points in the third frame.
[5:39] Speaker 1: But Jerry McCain doing stuff like that. SGA also came
[5:45] Speaker 1: through with five straight free throws late in the quarter
[5:49] Speaker 1: to keep the Thunder lead into double digits.
[5:53] Speaker 4: Oh, no.
[5:54] Speaker 2: Ooh.
[5:56] Speaker 4: You see it in Caruso.
[5:59] Speaker 1: The Caruso, two-time champion, former Los Angeles Laker, also getting
[6:04] Speaker 1: it done as well. So SGA also got a tech,
[6:07] Speaker 1: shot a free throw for a tech on Miss Johnson
[6:09] Speaker 1: after refs didn't allow him to challenge a call. OKC
[6:12] Speaker 1: came through with some timely buckets in the fourth quarter
[6:14] Speaker 1: to neutralize the Spurs' attempt at a comeback. SGA finished
[6:17] Speaker 1: with a game-high 32 points on 7 of 19 shooting.
[6:20] Speaker 1: along with nine assists and six turnovers. Back-to-back MVP attempted
[6:24] Speaker 1: a playoff career high, 17 free throws, missing just one.
[6:27] Speaker 1: Alex Caruso bounced back from a donut in game three
[6:29] Speaker 1: to lead the bench with 22 points, going four for
[6:31] Speaker 1: eight from distance. It was the fourth time in the
[6:33] Speaker 1: last five games Caruso scored at least 15 points. Jerry
[6:36] Speaker 1: McCain had a 20-piece, and Chet Comer had his best
[6:39] Speaker 1: game of the season, our best game of the series,
[6:41] Speaker 1: 16 and 11 boards. Isaiah Harden signed 12 and a
[6:45] Speaker 1: game-high 15 rebounds while shutting down Wimby on the defensive end. Winby,
[6:49] Speaker 1: worst game of the series, 20 points on four of
[6:53] Speaker 1: 15 shooting, 0 for 5 from 3. He was 12
[6:55] Speaker 1: for 12 from the line, but had a negative plus
[6:57] Speaker 1: minus for the first time in the series. Stephon Castle
[7:01] Speaker 1: had a game-high 24, along with six assists and five boards. Champagny,
[7:04] Speaker 1: 22 and 8 boards. Darren Fox, though, 9 points, 8
[7:07] Speaker 1: assists on 4 for 15 shooting. Thunder held San Antonio
[7:10] Speaker 1: to 40% from the field, 29% from distance. OKC, now
[7:15] Speaker 1: one game away from reaching two straight finals for the
[7:18] Speaker 1: first time in franchise history, here was a post-game reaction
[7:22] Speaker 1: from both sides.
[7:23] Speaker 6: The team was huge tonight, obviously. Let me just mention,
[7:27] Speaker 6: Chet was big to start the game. Obviously the bench
[7:30] Speaker 6: group came in, gave great minutes. But yeah, those guys, like,
[7:36] Speaker 6: I always say, like, we're a team out there. Like,
[7:38] Speaker 6: we don't get this far. I don't have this individual success.
[7:42] Speaker 6: This team doesn't have this success without all 15 guys
[7:44] Speaker 6: in the locker room, and we proved this tonight. If
[7:47] Speaker 6: it was full five me's out there, we would have
[7:50] Speaker 6: been down 20 after the first quarter. But the guys
[7:52] Speaker 6: were great to start the game. Yeah, I probably should
[7:57] Speaker 6: never start like that again and give us a better
[7:59] Speaker 6: chance to win a ball game, but the guys held
[8:00] Speaker 6: it down.
[8:01] Speaker 7: It just felt like it was a little bit of
[8:04] Speaker 7: everything in terms of we did not put ourselves in
[8:08] Speaker 7: position enough to be successful in each possession.
[8:13] Speaker 4: And so.
[8:16] Speaker 7: To beat a team of this caliber in their building,
[8:20] Speaker 7: the stakes will need to be a lot better to
[8:23] Speaker 7: give yourself a chance.
[8:25] Speaker 1: Mitch Johnson sounding more and more like Doc Rivers every
[8:28] Speaker 1: single day. As the series progresses with Swaggy, we will
[8:31] Speaker 1: start with you. Honorable, enlightened, you have the glow. What
[8:36] Speaker 1: are your biggest takeaways from the Thunder's Game 5 win
[8:39] Speaker 1: over the Spurs?
[8:40] Speaker 2: Oh.
[8:46] Speaker 3: Well, knowing I got championship experience myself, just came back
[8:52] Speaker 3: from being a part of the Triads, you see it.
[8:57] Speaker 3: I knew this was going to happen. You know, when
[8:59] Speaker 3: you get a championship team back against the wall, they
[9:02] Speaker 3: always respond well. You know, Caruso, the other guys, Chet
[9:08] Speaker 3: took the challenge. Hockenstein was out there rebounding, playing hard,
[9:13] Speaker 3: got a lot of You know, second plays, points for him.
[9:20] Speaker 3: For me, I think Wimby get away with a lot
[9:22] Speaker 3: of things, a lot of calls that could have been
[9:24] Speaker 3: fouled on him.
[9:25] Speaker 2: How many times are you going to say that? Victor Wimbinyama.
[9:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's out there just fouling and get away with it. Yeah,
[9:32] Speaker 3: because it's true. I see it. You know, that one
[9:34] Speaker 3: time when Chet, you know, almost dunked on him, Wimby
[9:38] Speaker 3: held his arm the whole play. And that comes because
[9:41] Speaker 3: he's not a part of the game. He went to
[9:43] Speaker 3: the Monks. You should have joined the triads. It's a
[9:46] Speaker 3: different lifestyle.
[9:47] Speaker 4: So you trained with the monks and the triads?
[9:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a little bit of both worlds. And
[9:55] Speaker 3: you know these type of things when you're a winner.
[9:57] Speaker 3: When you won a championship and been in that situation, 2-2,
[10:02] Speaker 3: going back home, take care of business. That's why I
[10:05] Speaker 3: say it's over in six. They did everything they were
[10:08] Speaker 3: supposed to do. McCain not being a part of the
[10:12] Speaker 3: team last year, coming in with big minutes. They're a
[10:18] Speaker 3: stacked team. All 15 guys play well. Except, you know,
[10:21] Speaker 3: Jalen Williams got out of hand a little bit. I
[10:23] Speaker 3: seen a floater from almost three-point line. That was kind
[10:27] Speaker 3: of crazy. But besides that, they play very well. They
[10:29] Speaker 3: respond to well like a championship team.
[10:32] Speaker 1: And shout out to whoever in the chat said, dim some,
[10:35] Speaker 1: lose some. I thought that was particularly well-crafted. But let's
[10:39] Speaker 1: shift over to this side. Mr. B, what are your
[10:43] Speaker 1: biggest takeaways from the Thunder getting that Pivotal game five
[10:46] Speaker 1: win over the Spurs.
[10:48] Speaker 8: It's how bad Wimby played. He had no intensity, no energy.
[10:52] Speaker 8: Harkestine took him out the game early. This was Chet's
[10:56] Speaker 8: best game so far this series, which he came in
[10:58] Speaker 8: and had a double-double.
[11:00] Speaker 4: They started McCain.
[11:01] Speaker 8: He struggled in the first half, but in the second
[11:03] Speaker 8: half he came out hitting shots, which helped him a lot.
[11:08] Speaker 8: Get it twisted, SGA, he is still shooting back poorly
[11:12] Speaker 8: from the field, but He's still finding a way to
[11:14] Speaker 8: get it done with having less superstars on his team.
[11:20] Speaker 8: I mean, the Spurs, I mean, Thunder are 10-0 when
[11:26] Speaker 8: they do lose. So they are proving that they can
[11:29] Speaker 8: bounce back. They are showing that. And I think this
[11:33] Speaker 8: is over with. I think the Spurs are done. Wimby,
[11:35] Speaker 8: he's not consistent enough. And he just, you know, he
[11:39] Speaker 8: likes to settle. He likes to settle. And they went
[11:41] Speaker 8: away from what they did in game four. So I
[11:43] Speaker 8: don't know what they were doing. I mean, whatever they
[11:46] Speaker 8: did in game four, they definitely didn't bring it.
[11:47] Speaker 4: To game five.
[11:48] Speaker 8: And it definitely showed all night. So I think this
[11:51] Speaker 8: is over in six, like Nick said, and we can
[11:53] Speaker 8: move on.
[11:55] Speaker 3: I wasn't allowed in the building. No KC.
[12:01] Speaker 4: Let's shift over to you, Dr. McCants, Ph.D.
[12:04] Speaker 1: You've been rolling with the Spurs, rolling with Wimby, also
[12:07] Speaker 1: known as Wamba Wamba here in Gills Arena. What are
[12:10] Speaker 1: your biggest takeaways from the Spurs losing that game five,
[12:14] Speaker 1: now down 3-2 as they head back home for game six?
[12:19] Speaker 2: It's crazy. Nick, you got some type of influence to
[12:24] Speaker 2: create a character and come on the show in a
[12:26] Speaker 2: different outfit. I wonder where you got that from. But
[12:30] Speaker 2: it's cool. We didn't play well. It's not a wimpy thing.
[12:38] Speaker 2: It's a team thing. Particularly knowing that you're going on
[12:44] Speaker 2: the road and against all odds, back against the wall.
[12:49] Speaker 2: You got to play the perfect game. Everybody's against you.
[12:53] Speaker 2: A couple things that are glaring is second chance points.
[13:01] Speaker 2: Got to box out. Got to finish the play. With
[13:04] Speaker 2: a young team like this, they just got to understand
[13:08] Speaker 2: that every possession means something. They play fast because they
[13:11] Speaker 2: like to play in transition. They like to get quick baskets,
[13:14] Speaker 2: get downhill. But this is deep into the playoffs where
[13:19] Speaker 2: that can create turnovers. And that's what happened in the
[13:21] Speaker 2: first two games. And I think slowing it down in
[13:25] Speaker 2: game three and game four allowed them to adjust better.
[13:29] Speaker 2: But right now, as far as understanding the hoop talk,
[13:35] Speaker 2: You have to understand the power of your star and
[13:40] Speaker 2: your role players effectively. And I think they got away
[13:43] Speaker 2: from that, understanding that they need to slow the game
[13:46] Speaker 2: down and take every possession to heart and every defensive
[13:51] Speaker 2: possession to heart. And when you don't do that, you
[13:55] Speaker 2: end up falling behind early. You end up digging yourself
[13:58] Speaker 2: a hole. This is a team that's never been in
[14:02] Speaker 2: this position before, so mentally they're going through some fatigue
[14:06] Speaker 2: of knowing that unethical basketball can take a toll on
[14:11] Speaker 2: you when you're playing unethical basketball. When you're out there,
[14:17] Speaker 2: you're out there, you're trying to figure it out, trying
[14:19] Speaker 2: to figure out how to maneuver around certain elements of
[14:24] Speaker 2: the game. You can't blame nobody. You have to always
[14:27] Speaker 2: take accountability. So I see Wimby taking accountability in the huddle.
[14:33] Speaker 2: He came out invigorated in the second half because I
[14:36] Speaker 2: think he was a little bit down on knowing what
[14:39] Speaker 2: he was dealing with in the first half, not playing well.
[14:43] Speaker 2: But I think, you know, you rally back. When we're down,
[14:45] Speaker 2: we take our L's. We take our L's and we
[14:48] Speaker 2: go on to the next game knowing that we have
[14:51] Speaker 2: to take care of home. And when you go home
[14:55] Speaker 2: and you take care of home, you don't make no complaints. 3-2.
[15:00] Speaker 2: We knew this was going to be it. That's why
[15:02] Speaker 2: we never said that we was going to predict no
[15:04] Speaker 2: game five win, no game six win. We want to
[15:06] Speaker 2: go seven. So right now, you know, we're not going
[15:10] Speaker 2: to be like the masses. We're not going to be
[15:12] Speaker 2: like everybody else and just take, give predictable takes. We're
[15:17] Speaker 2: going to take our L. We're going to go back
[15:18] Speaker 2: to the drawing board and we're going to figure out
[15:20] Speaker 2: what actually is going to work for us this time around.
[15:23] Speaker 2: Caruso hit shots. McCain hit shots. Those same shots came
[15:28] Speaker 2: from the same game plan that we Assessed in game four.
[15:31] Speaker 2: We took away SGA. He was 0 for 8 at
[15:33] Speaker 2: one point. We really made him struggle. Everybody else showed up.
[15:38] Speaker 2: You got to understand something about hoops. Wimby's struggles don't
[15:42] Speaker 2: come from him not being that guy. His struggles come
[15:47] Speaker 2: from a good team making adjustments defensively as they should.
[15:51] Speaker 2: So when you see Wimby struggling, he shouldn't be getting
[15:54] Speaker 2: to the same spots he was getting to when he
[15:56] Speaker 2: had 41. He shouldn't be doing the same things and
[15:59] Speaker 2: getting to the rim and getting lobs like he was before.
[16:02] Speaker 2: Because as an adjustment for a good team like OKC,
[16:06] Speaker 2: you take that away from him. You crack down. You
[16:08] Speaker 2: make sure he doesn't get the lob threat. We make
[16:11] Speaker 2: those guys on the backside shoot threes. We depend on
[16:14] Speaker 2: them making their missing shots. And that's what they did.
[16:17] Speaker 2: We didn't make shots. They capitalized on the other hand.
[16:20] Speaker 2: Both Williams kids came in. They hit shots. I love
[16:24] Speaker 2: what McCain did as far as off the dribble. He's
[16:27] Speaker 2: more crafty than people give him credit for. And when
[16:31] Speaker 2: you know the game, the way that both teams know
[16:36] Speaker 2: the game, it's.
[16:37] Speaker 3: A chess match.
[16:37] Speaker 2: And that's why I think it's going to be a
[16:39] Speaker 2: good series. It's a good series based on knowing that
[16:42] Speaker 2: every game is going to be different. So you can't
[16:45] Speaker 2: go into it thinking, oh, man, win be this, oh,
[16:47] Speaker 2: SGA that. I'm not going to say that at all
[16:49] Speaker 2: because SGA didn't play the greatest game, found a way
[16:52] Speaker 2: to win. Wimby didn't play the greatest game. He found
[16:56] Speaker 2: a way to still go out there and compete. So
[16:58] Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, you got
[17:00] Speaker 2: to tip your hat off to him. Good game. We
[17:03] Speaker 2: got the next one.
[17:04] Speaker 1: So Thunder, 6 for 33 from 3 in game 4.
[17:07] Speaker 1: 14 for 32 from 3 in.
[17:11] Speaker 2: Game 5.
[17:12] Speaker 8: It didn't show up. Role players stepping up. It didn't
[17:17] Speaker 8: look like the MVP. It didn't look like the best
[17:19] Speaker 8: player in the league to me. Not the Wimby people.
[17:22] Speaker 8: I'm messing up, yelling at people. So you're rocking the
[17:26] Speaker 8: thunder hat in support.
[17:27] Speaker 2: You guys can no longer trigger me. I'm untriggerable.
[17:31] Speaker 4: We're just saying facts. You look like a pussy to me.
[17:36] Speaker 9: I haven't spoken yet, so we'll see how you react.
[17:40] Speaker 2: No, I have no reaction.
[17:41] Speaker 3: You can't make me react, man.
[17:44] Speaker 2: Well, that was easy.
[17:44] Speaker 3: That was easy.
[17:49] Speaker 2: That was easy.
[17:53] Speaker 9: So Steven Spielberg has a new alien movie coming out
[17:58] Speaker 9: soon it's called Disclosure Day and last night was Disclosure
[18:04] Speaker 9: Night it was a turning point game five Spurs coming
[18:10] Speaker 9: in with all the momentum the money was pouring in
[18:13] Speaker 9: as the spread fell and fell and fell in favor
[18:16] Speaker 9: of the Spurs and On this night, the alien proved
[18:23] Speaker 9: to be a hoax on both ends of the floor.
[18:28] Speaker 9: That was the key. On both ends of the floor,
[18:30] Speaker 9: the alien was a hoax. The alien looked like just
[18:33] Speaker 9: another Earthling last night in a Turning Point Game 5.
[18:38] Speaker 9: The alien looked bad during the game, late in the game.
[18:43] Speaker 9: And especially after the game when he ducked the media.
[18:48] Speaker 9: That was not taking accountability at all. That was just
[18:53] Speaker 9: straight out baby behavior to me.
[18:57] Speaker 4: Hard to duck the media when you're 7'5.
[18:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
[19:00] Speaker 9: Good point.
[19:01] Speaker 4: We'll see you leaving.
[19:02] Speaker 9: And it sure looked to me like late in the
[19:05] Speaker 9: game when he did get pulled with 2.13 left. And
[19:08] Speaker 9: I'm surprised the Spurs coach waved the flag that early
[19:12] Speaker 9: in that game. But he did pull Wimby with 2.13 left,
[19:15] Speaker 9: and as Wimby left the floor, it looked to me
[19:18] Speaker 9: like he leaned over and whispered, to a couple of
[19:21] Speaker 9: his bench goons to go in and take their pound
[19:25] Speaker 9: of flesh and go get somebody, and it looked like
[19:28] Speaker 9: they were trying to get Jared McCain. That's the way
[19:30] Speaker 9: it looked to me.
[19:31] Speaker 1: Always the kid with the painted nail.
[19:33] Speaker 2: Creating a narrative. Creating a narrative. Creating a narrative.
[19:36] Speaker 4: Uh-oh.
[19:36] Speaker 2: Objection. Objection. Objection. That's not what we're saying.
[19:39] Speaker 4: Objection.
[19:44] Speaker 2: Objection. Objection. That's not what was said. Objection. Objection. That
[19:52] Speaker 2: is not what was said. Can he cook? You wasn't
[19:55] Speaker 2: reading lips, Skip. Don't put words in his mouth, Skip.
[19:59] Speaker 9: Go get somebody.
[20:01] Speaker 2: What's going on, Skip?
[20:02] Speaker 9: Go get somebody.
[20:03] Speaker 3: What's going on?
[20:04] Speaker 2: That's what I heard, too.
[20:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[20:06] Speaker 9: Jared McCain said as he went to the free throw
[20:08] Speaker 9: line after he got hammered, He turned to Biambo and said,
[20:12] Speaker 9: what are you doing, man? And Biambo said back to him,
[20:15] Speaker 9: and I got another one for you, because the hit
[20:18] Speaker 9: had been put out by the leader of the team,
[20:21] Speaker 9: who then ducked the media after the game.
[20:24] Speaker 3: Man.
[20:25] Speaker 9: And the Oklahoma City Thunder, playing without its second and
[20:30] Speaker 9: third best creator score.
[20:32] Speaker 2: Oh, man.
[20:35] Speaker 9: Managed to go from scoring 82 points in game four
[20:39] Speaker 9: to 127 points in game five. That's a 45-point improvement
[20:46] Speaker 9: from four to five against the greatest defensive player ever.
[20:52] Speaker 9: How could that be? With Victor Wimbanyama as the primary
[20:57] Speaker 9: defender last night, the Thunder made 11 of 16 shots.
[21:02] Speaker 9: He looked lost on defense, the defensive player of the
[21:05] Speaker 9: year did.
[21:06] Speaker 4: He looked lost.
[21:07] Speaker 9: 11 of 16 shots on the greatest defensive player we've
[21:12] Speaker 9: ever seen, the alien? And by the way, Isaiah Hardenstein...
[21:19] Speaker 9: held Wimby on the other end of the floor to
[21:22] Speaker 9: three for 11?
[21:23] Speaker 4: Wow.
[21:24] Speaker 9: Three for 11. He went overall, as Josiah pointed out,
[21:29] Speaker 9: four of 15. He went O of five from three.
[21:31] Speaker 9: And as Brandon pointed out, he mostly played two guard
[21:35] Speaker 9: all night because in his mind, when he looks in
[21:37] Speaker 9: the mirror, that's who he sees as a two guard.
[21:41] Speaker 9: And would you believe that in the first half, the
[21:44] Speaker 9: alien had one total rebound in the first half of
[21:47] Speaker 9: the pivotal game five? And that was the second time
[21:51] Speaker 9: in this series he's played an entire half with one rebound.
[21:55] Speaker 3: One rebound.
[21:56] Speaker 9: That's impossibly wrong for the alien who's seven foot six.
[22:01] Speaker 9: He got six total rebounds. He should get six before
[22:05] Speaker 9: tip off just because of his length. I watched Isaiah
[22:11] Speaker 9: Hartenstein out physical Wimby, out mental Wimby, out Will Wimby,
[22:18] Speaker 9: just flat out. out hustle Wimby. I mean, I didn't see,
[22:25] Speaker 9: as Brandon pointed out, did you see any energy? Did
[22:27] Speaker 9: you see any urgency? Did you see any fire and desire?
[22:31] Speaker 9: Because I saw next to none because I saw Hartenstein
[22:35] Speaker 9: have 15 rebounds. He got six of them on the
[22:38] Speaker 9: offensive end. And they were psychological killers, man. All of
[22:42] Speaker 9: a sudden, Thunder missed a shot, missed another shot. And
[22:46] Speaker 9: I heart goes and I hearts it out of the air.
[22:48] Speaker 9: And you say, Oh, we got a new clock. Let's
[22:50] Speaker 9: start over. We'll get one now. And Jared McCain makes
[22:53] Speaker 9: a three. And I don't know that I've ever heard
[22:57] Speaker 9: his name brought up on any sort of national TV forum, but,
[23:02] Speaker 9: but the coach of the thunder, his name is Mark Dagnall.
[23:05] Speaker 9: Most people don't know it, but I, I gotta tell you, he,
[23:09] Speaker 9: he's looking to me like the best coach, especially playoff
[23:14] Speaker 9: coach in all of basketball. This is Mark Dagnall.
[23:20] Speaker 4: Who never hooped.
[23:21] Speaker 9: He never played basketball. He was a ball boy at UConn.
[23:26] Speaker 9: That guy is looking like the best coach in the NBA.
[23:31] Speaker 9: the best big-game playoff coach because he pushes all the
[23:35] Speaker 9: right buttons. He is just subbing and subbing and subbing constantly.
[23:39] Speaker 9: He just keeps blowing bubbles and making subs, and they
[23:42] Speaker 9: all click. And I got to tell you, after Jared
[23:46] Speaker 9: McCain's first half last night, he went 1 of 5,
[23:50] Speaker 9: and that made him 2 of 15 over the previous
[23:53] Speaker 9: six quarters, counting the Game 4 debacle at San Antonio.
[23:58] Speaker 4: 2 of 15.
[23:58] Speaker 9: If I'm the coach... I'm putting him on the end
[24:02] Speaker 9: of the bench in the second half. I'm putting Isaiah
[24:04] Speaker 9: Joe in or somebody who can shoot. And Dagnall said, no,
[24:08] Speaker 9: I'm going to stick with this guy. He's hot, he's cold,
[24:10] Speaker 9: he's hot, he's cold.
[24:11] Speaker 2: And guess what?
[24:12] Speaker 4: He went hot.
[24:13] Speaker 9: And he scored 18 in the second half?
[24:16] Speaker 2: That was.
[24:18] Speaker 9: Dagnall just keeps blowing bubbles and playing chess and beating
[24:22] Speaker 9: the Spurs coach at the game of chess that you
[24:25] Speaker 9: referred to. That is going on. And I got to
[24:28] Speaker 9: make a case... for the Caruso. Everywhere he goes, good
[24:34] Speaker 9: stuff happens. And once upon a time, he was undrafted.
[24:38] Speaker 9: And I can make a case that even though he
[24:41] Speaker 9: goose-egged in game four, I can make a case that
[24:46] Speaker 9: right now, and we still got a long way to go,
[24:48] Speaker 9: but right now, he's the MVP of the conference finals.
[24:52] Speaker 9: I can make that case because I'm looking at what
[24:55] Speaker 9: he keeps doing. it look at him he he's a
[24:59] Speaker 9: plus 45 when he's on the floor they're a minus
[25:03] Speaker 9: 36 with him off the floor so every time that
[25:06] Speaker 9: button gets pushed not good stuff great stuff happens he
[25:10] Speaker 9: saved the game in the first quarter he ignited the
[25:13] Speaker 9: game in the second quarter he saved it in the
[25:15] Speaker 9: third and fourth he just keeps making plays and The MVP,
[25:22] Speaker 9: the back-to-back MVP, as you correctly refer to, he's played
[25:26] Speaker 9: by his standards poorly. The whole series he's played poorly.
[25:29] Speaker 4: Shooting. Yeah, shooting.
[25:31] Speaker 9: But last night, guess what? He did get the calls
[25:35] Speaker 9: he deserved last night. That's what happened. And he got
[25:38] Speaker 9: to the free throw line, and he made 16 of 17.
[25:41] Speaker 9: So that was his contribution. He went to the line,
[25:44] Speaker 9: and he cashed at the line.
[25:46] Speaker 2: Say it again. Yeah. Say it again.
[25:48] Speaker 4: He got the what? He got the what? He got
[25:50] Speaker 4: the what?
[25:50] Speaker 2: He got the what? He got the what? He got
[25:52] Speaker 2: the what?
[25:53] Speaker 5: He got the what? You got any rebuttals?
[26:08] Speaker 4: Yes, I do.
[26:09] Speaker 10: Okay It just seems like.
[26:35] Speaker 2: You know, breaking down the game, right? It's not a
[26:39] Speaker 2: Wimby assessment. I don't think everybody should go on the
[26:41] Speaker 2: whole Wimby assessment.
[26:43] Speaker 3: It is.
[26:43] Speaker 2: Because I never do. Talk about the Spurs. Just so
[26:47] Speaker 2: happens when he plays well, they play well. When he
[26:49] Speaker 2: plays bad, they play bad. You know, that's why the
[26:52] Speaker 2: series is 3-2, you know. At that one point, there's
[26:56] Speaker 2: times where he plays spectacularly. You just said your MVP
[27:00] Speaker 2: hasn't played great at all.
[27:01] Speaker 9: He has not.
[27:02] Speaker 2: So, damn, are we not allowed to have a bad game?
[27:05] Speaker 2: But he's allowed to have four bad games.
[27:09] Speaker 9: Four average games.
[27:10] Speaker 2: Four average games. But then he got the calls he deserved.
[27:13] Speaker 9: Finally.
[27:13] Speaker 4: He did, finally.
[27:16] Speaker 2: You know who else played last night? Tony Brothers.
[27:21] Speaker 4: Scott Foster played the night before.
[27:23] Speaker 2: And the crew. Tony others, yeah. You know what I'm saying?
[27:26] Speaker 2: So it's like, we don't bring Tony up unless we
[27:29] Speaker 2: have to. During a rebuttal.
[27:32] Speaker 3: Is that an excuse? Like you said, we don't do excuses,
[27:34] Speaker 3: I thought.
[27:34] Speaker 2: Is that an echo?
[27:36] Speaker 3: Excuses? You hear that echo? You find no excuses over there?
[27:39] Speaker 3: You find some over there?
[27:41] Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,
[27:43] Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I.
[27:45] Speaker 2: Mean, we can say Caruso played great here, great there.
[27:49] Speaker 2: You didn't say that shit. That's your last game. He
[27:52] Speaker 2: played great last game, but he's MVP when he plays well.
[27:57] Speaker 3: It's all good, man.
[27:58] Speaker 2: There's nothing going to unalive you guys from yesterday's episode.
[28:01] Speaker 4: Thank you for saying unalive to hear the YouTube politics.
[28:04] Speaker 2: Right, yeah. You're going to be there. You're there. You're
[28:08] Speaker 2: going to stay there. No matter how much you feel
[28:10] Speaker 2: like you should rise yourself from the graves.
[28:15] Speaker 4: You're not.
[28:16] Speaker 2: Right? Even if we, even if.
[28:18] Speaker 3: You didn't have coffee.
[28:19] Speaker 2: Even if. Even if we don't go, we still did
[28:25] Speaker 2: what we had to do. And we got games left.
[28:29] Speaker 4: It's not over.
[28:31] Speaker 2: Just like you predicted last night was supposed to be
[28:34] Speaker 2: a Spurs win.
[28:36] Speaker 9: It was supposed to be.
[28:37] Speaker 2: Should have been. Now you're here celebrating, right? Because it
[28:42] Speaker 2: went your way. Because we're a game-by-game analysis, and we
[28:46] Speaker 2: don't really want to go through the whole series.
[28:49] Speaker 4: That's why I said seven.
[28:50] Speaker 2: I didn't say six or say five because that would
[28:52] Speaker 2: give you an advantage. Not going to give you an advantage.
[28:56] Speaker 2: Anybody in that seat don't get no advantages. You should
[28:58] Speaker 2: have called the last guy and asked him what happened
[29:02] Speaker 2: to the last security guard. Top flight. Top flight. Ain't
[29:07] Speaker 2: no changing. So, a question for you, Sean.
[29:09] Speaker 1: Wimby, third in MVP voting, first unanimous defensive player of
[29:12] Speaker 1: the year in NBA history.
[29:13] Speaker 4: You don't even know what happened.
[29:15] Speaker 2: To the last kid.
[29:18] Speaker 1: Would you say he's the best player? You've already said
[29:19] Speaker 1: he's the best player in the league, but best player
[29:20] Speaker 1: on the Spurs team? Well, sure, the best player on
[29:23] Speaker 1: the Spurs team.
[29:23] Speaker 4: Okay.
[29:24] Speaker 1: So, had his worst game of the series Tuesday. Scored
[29:27] Speaker 1: just two points first quarter. Took just six shots in
[29:29] Speaker 1: the first half. Scoring the bulk of his points at
[29:32] Speaker 1: the free throw line. So, in both of the Spurs
[29:34] Speaker 1: wins in this series, Wimby had double digit first half
[29:37] Speaker 1: shot attempts, took 22 or more shots in those games,
[29:40] Speaker 1: but he's taken six or fewer attempts in the first
[29:42] Speaker 1: half in each of the three losses with 16 or
[29:45] Speaker 1: fewer attempts in those games. So Wimby has previously said
[29:48] Speaker 1: he needs to be more of a team player, but
[29:51] Speaker 1: obviously the team plays better When he's more aggressive offensively
[29:54] Speaker 1: after the game last night, Mitch Johnson echoed those statements
[29:56] Speaker 1: that he needed to shoot more. The Spurs will not
[29:59] Speaker 1: be able to get it done when we'll be scoring
[30:00] Speaker 1: 20 points. So how much blame does when we deserve
[30:03] Speaker 1: for the Spurs three losses in this series?
[30:06] Speaker 2: I've seen somebody's take. Gil posted his take on this
[30:10] Speaker 2: particular scenario. I'm going to steal his take since he's
[30:13] Speaker 2: not here. Literally, when they play good, they play through Wimby.
[30:19] Speaker 2: When they play bad, they play guard-centric basketball where they
[30:22] Speaker 2: go away from Wimby. And last night you've seen that
[30:27] Speaker 2: they were playing more on the perimeter than they used to.
[30:30] Speaker 2: And for Wimby, trying to be the decoy is not
[30:33] Speaker 2: going to be his expertise when he's on the floor
[30:36] Speaker 2: trying to be the team player that he sees in
[30:38] Speaker 2: his mind, which is allowing the other guys to be involved.
[30:42] Speaker 2: And for him to inject himself in a position to
[30:46] Speaker 2: be more dominant, he hasn't gotten there yet. to be
[30:49] Speaker 2: the guy that's saying, give me the ball, give me
[30:51] Speaker 2: the ball, go through me. He's still a very team-first
[30:55] Speaker 2: oriented guy. And I think even his statements of saying
[30:58] Speaker 2: he needs to be more of a team player came
[31:00] Speaker 2: from helping on defense more and stop being more selfish
[31:04] Speaker 2: on trying to get the block and get back to
[31:07] Speaker 2: the rotation, giving Caruso all those shots in game three.
[31:12] Speaker 2: So now you're looking at offensively, okay, look, We got
[31:17] Speaker 2: to figure it out because he's taken a lot of
[31:18] Speaker 2: bad shots in that last game. And it comes from
[31:22] Speaker 2: him forcing it. Talking about a guy who's trying to
[31:25] Speaker 2: make it happen. All of those guys are trying to
[31:27] Speaker 2: drive and make things happen. But you got other guards
[31:30] Speaker 2: out there that can actually get to the hole and
[31:33] Speaker 2: get easy buckets. But you got to give OKC credit.
[31:37] Speaker 2: They do play defense still traditionally where you can rotate,
[31:42] Speaker 2: get to the spots, make them drive and kick. They're
[31:44] Speaker 2: not a bad defensive team. They're one of the best,
[31:46] Speaker 2: if not the best.
[31:49] Speaker 9: They do give up a lot of open threes, but
[31:51] Speaker 9: you got to make them.
[31:52] Speaker 2: You got to make them, and we didn't hit. That's
[31:54] Speaker 2: what Castle said in his press conference. Aside from defense
[31:58] Speaker 2: and fouls and the pressure that OKC put on them,
[32:02] Speaker 2: we got to hit open shots because that's what OKC
[32:05] Speaker 2: forced last night. We're taking Wimby away from easy buckets
[32:09] Speaker 2: in the paint, which is going to leave three-point shooters open.
[32:14] Speaker 2: That's four players down stopping Wimby from the lob threat.
[32:17] Speaker 2: And then you got Fasell, Johnson, and all these guys
[32:20] Speaker 2: missing shots. And it wasn't a big disparity when you
[32:23] Speaker 2: look at the stats from three-point. There they are. Castle
[32:28] Speaker 2: played well. He's not well enough, but it was Fox, too.
[32:33] Speaker 2: Fox had nine points. Harper didn't play well.
[32:36] Speaker 3: If you get physical with Wimby, it's about the game.
[32:38] Speaker 4: He's done.
[32:39] Speaker 3: And you could say he wasn't being aggressive. He was
[32:43] Speaker 3: trying to. They were just being physical. No, for sure.
[32:45] Speaker 2: Same thing.
[32:46] Speaker 3: Castle was doing the shake. Yeah, that's what I was
[32:48] Speaker 3: about to say. That's what OKC said.
[32:50] Speaker 2: Do what they do. Be aggressive. Be aggressive. That's the
[32:53] Speaker 2: same thing they did when they beat them at Arkansas
[32:55] Speaker 2: and doing that other shit. But for Wimby... But Wimby's
[32:57] Speaker 2: showing to get frustrated.
[32:59] Speaker 4: Come on, he did.
[33:00] Speaker 3: It's frustration.
[33:00] Speaker 4: That's all you got to do. Frustration.
[33:02] Speaker 3: Elbow somebody off of that.
[33:03] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[33:03] Speaker 2: He yelled at his team.
[33:05] Speaker 4: Yesterday, like it was Dave's fault. He yelled at his team?
[33:07] Speaker 2: He was yelling.
[33:07] Speaker 4: That's what he was doing.
[33:08] Speaker 1: He gave a compassionate speech during our time out. That's
[33:10] Speaker 1: what he was doing.
[33:10] Speaker 3: But at the point, he had nine points and some shit.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Was he yelling at his team? He was yelling at
[33:14] Speaker 2: his team. Like it was Dave's fault, though. He was
[33:16] Speaker 2: yelling at his team like it was Dave's fault.
[33:19] Speaker 3: Like it was Dave's fault.
[33:20] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[33:20] Speaker 3: When you the star and you got to step up.
[33:22] Speaker 4: Yes.
[33:23] Speaker 2: So what are you talking about?
[33:24] Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. Why are you blaming
[33:26] Speaker 3: others when you're the one that's messing up?
[33:28] Speaker 2: Okay, what does the leader do in the huddle, bro?
[33:31] Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Take accountability.
[33:33] Speaker 3: That's what leaders do.
[33:34] Speaker 2: So who else is going to be talking to the
[33:36] Speaker 2: team then?
[33:37] Speaker 5: What are you talking about?
[33:38] Speaker 3: You're telling them to do something that you're not doing.
[33:39] Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You should be talking about yourself.
[33:42] Speaker 2: So who should be talking in the huddle, Nick?
[33:44] Speaker 4: NBA champion Luke Cornett.
[33:47] Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much. Okay, look. Harrison Barnes.
[33:50] Speaker 4: Harrison Barnes should be talking.
[33:51] Speaker 3: Okay, so what was– That's who should be talking.
[33:52] Speaker 2: So you didn't say that about Donovan Mitchell. He was
[33:54] Speaker 2: yelling at his team?
[33:56] Speaker 3: He stepped up.
[33:57] Speaker 2: He stepped up to do what? They got swept.
[34:00] Speaker 4: But it's James.
[34:00] Speaker 2: What are you talking about? So why wasn't James doing it?
[34:04] Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell is the leader of that team.
[34:05] Speaker 3: Man, stop it.
[34:06] Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell is the leader.
[34:07] Speaker 3: Of that team.
[34:07] Speaker 2: Y'all doing too much right now.
[34:08] Speaker 4: No, you're doing too much.
[34:09] Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell is the leader of that team. Wimby was
[34:11] Speaker 2: trying to encourage his team to play harder.
[34:12] Speaker 4: How?
[34:12] Speaker 2: You're not even playing hard.
[34:13] Speaker 4: Yes, he was playing hard. You're not even playing hard.
[34:15] Speaker 4: You're not even playing hard.
[34:16] Speaker 2: You're not even playing hard. You're not even playing hard.
[34:18] Speaker 4: You're not even playing hard.
[34:19] Speaker 2: You're not even playing hard.
[34:19] Speaker 8: You're not even playing hard. You're not even playing hard.
[34:21] Speaker 8: You're not even playing hard. You're not even playing hard.
[34:22] Speaker 2: Are y'all done?
[34:23] Speaker 4: No, are you done? Are you done?
[34:25] Speaker 2: Your player's getting punked.
[34:26] Speaker 4: He didn't look like the MVP yesterday.
[34:27] Speaker 2: Who's your player? Who's your player?
[34:28] Speaker 4: Your player didn't look like the MVP yesterday.
[34:30] Speaker 2: Where your player's at? Your player didn't look like the
[34:32] Speaker 2: MVP yesterday. Where your player's at.
[34:33] Speaker 4: Where was your players at?
[34:34] Speaker 2: Your players in Cancun. Your players in Cancun. My players
[34:37] Speaker 2: are still playing. My players are still playing. Your players
[34:39] Speaker 2: are in Cancun. We still got another game. We got
[34:40] Speaker 2: another game. Watch out. We got another game.
[34:54] Speaker 4: The French come out.
[34:55] Speaker 2: We got another game. They want no action. They want
[34:58] Speaker 2: no action last night.
[34:59] Speaker 4: Okay? No energy.
[35:00] Speaker 2: Quit. Are we done?
[35:01] Speaker 4: Telling your teammates, go.
[35:02] Speaker 2: Are we done with the gas lighting? What's up, bro?
[35:05] Speaker 2: What's up? Is it obvious?
[35:07] Speaker 3: What's up? Excuse me. Behave, man. Behave.
[35:10] Speaker 4: Behave.
[35:10] Speaker 2: Did he tell Biz Pac importantly to go attack Jerry McCain?
[35:13] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[35:14] Speaker 3: He get to it. How you leave the game and
[35:16] Speaker 3: not talk to nobody?
[35:17] Speaker 2: I could get this type of shit from Chad G.
[35:18] Speaker 2: Imagine if Shay left after that in game four.
[35:21] Speaker 8: Yeah, Shay always coming back after a lose.
[35:24] Speaker 2: Imagine if Shay left after game four.
[35:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, and then not talk to nobody. I mean, but
[35:28] Speaker 3: I told y'all what it was.
[35:29] Speaker 2: They would kill him?
[35:30] Speaker 4: I told y'all what it was.
[35:31] Speaker 2: Bro, get the fuck out of here with that. You
[35:33] Speaker 2: know who did that before?
[35:34] Speaker 4: They're 9-0 off a loss in the playoffs.
[35:35] Speaker 2: LeBron James.
[35:37] Speaker 4: They're 9-0. Arguably the greatest player in NBA history.
[35:39] Speaker 2: Come on, man. Y'all stop with the dunking. They're 9-0
[35:41] Speaker 2: after losses. Come on.
[35:42] Speaker 8: I said it in game four. I said it in
[35:44] Speaker 8: game four. They missed shots. Caruso is the X Factor
[35:47] Speaker 8: in this whole thing.
[35:47] Speaker 2: I get it.
[35:47] Speaker 4: It's a popular take. He went zero.
[35:49] Speaker 2: Use the popular take.
[35:50] Speaker 4: I'm telling you. No.
[35:50] Speaker 2: That's just like watching the box four out of the game.
[35:52] Speaker 4: It is what it is.
[35:53] Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about what I see.
[35:54] Speaker 3: In the box four.
[35:54] Speaker 4: It is what it is.
[35:55] Speaker 2: Your leader left.
[35:55] Speaker 4: It is what it is. Your leader left. Your leader left.
[35:58] Speaker 4: He was crying.
[35:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[35:59] Speaker 2: He didn't want to go.
[36:00] Speaker 4: He left and got on.
[36:01] Speaker 2: The bus and started crying.
[36:02] Speaker 4: No reports of him being crying. Bro, you got another game.
[36:04] Speaker 4: Game six is coming up.
[36:05] Speaker 2: We got another game. You know, it's okay. We got
[36:06] Speaker 2: another game. You ain't got to go crying on the bus.
[36:09] Speaker 4: We got another game.
[36:10] Speaker 2: We got another game.
[36:10] Speaker 4: You know he going to cry. Mr. B, how much
[36:12] Speaker 4: blame does Wimmy deserve? All of it. Pfft. All of it.
[36:16] Speaker 4: All of it. All of it.
[36:17] Speaker 3: Not 99.
[36:17] Speaker 4: All of it.
[36:18] Speaker 2: Not 99.
[36:19] Speaker 4: That dirty play.
[36:20] Speaker 2: That he told everything.
[36:21] Speaker 3: Just like the deepest player of the year was unanimous.
[36:24] Speaker 2: He deserved all of it. You're being disingenuous.
[36:26] Speaker 4: No, all of it.
[36:27] Speaker 2: Remember he's the best player on the court. He's the
[36:30] Speaker 2: best player in the league. All that.
[36:31] Speaker 4: You don't want to face. No, watch out, bro.
[36:33] Speaker 8: Because if that was Brian or somebody.
[36:34] Speaker 4: Y'all be cooking Brian.
[36:35] Speaker 2: It was Brian. Y'all be cooking all that.
[36:38] Speaker 4: So get on him.
[36:38] Speaker 2: It was Brian.
[36:39] Speaker 4: And that's why they're going to lose this series.
[36:42] Speaker 3: I'm broke back up.
[36:43] Speaker 2: It was.
[36:44] Speaker 4: Come on. S.J. would never do nothing like that. S.J.
[36:49] Speaker 2: Would never do nothing like that.
[36:50] Speaker 4: No, never.
[36:51] Speaker 2: Never.
[36:51] Speaker 4: After a loss, I'm coming.
[36:52] Speaker 3: Man, he's Canadian.
[36:53] Speaker 4: Still coming looking like R. Kelly.
[36:56] Speaker 3: They supposed to be soft.
[36:57] Speaker 4: For their friend.
[36:58] Speaker 2: They supposed to be soft around. Y'all reaching. Skip, let's
[37:02] Speaker 2: shift over to you. Reach for each other. Reach for
[37:03] Speaker 2: each other.
[37:05] Speaker 1: You've been around a lot of basketball. Obviously, born in
[37:08] Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. Spent your formidable years there.
[37:11] Speaker 2: Yep.
[37:11] Speaker 1: Before becoming a Spurs fan, then coming back, like the
[37:14] Speaker 1: prodigal son, how much blame does Wimby deserve for the
[37:17] Speaker 1: Spurs three losses in the series?
[37:22] Speaker 9: Well, I can only deal with this one. And he
[37:25] Speaker 9: did deserve the bulk of the blame for last night.
[37:29] Speaker 9: And that's tangibly and intangibly. Because it started in the
[37:34] Speaker 9: first quarter. There was a timeout called, and as he
[37:38] Speaker 9: walked off the floor, he went out of his way
[37:40] Speaker 9: to go over and... Graham Chet.
[37:43] Speaker 4: Yes.
[37:43] Speaker 9: Because he doesn't like Chet. I got that, and I
[37:47] Speaker 9: respect that. And too often, Chet has just shrunk in
[37:52] Speaker 9: the presence of Wim and Yama. But what did Chet
[37:56] Speaker 9: do in response to that last night? He made all
[37:59] Speaker 9: four of his shots in the first quarter, and trust me,
[38:02] Speaker 9: because I'm rooting my ass off for the Thunder, they
[38:05] Speaker 9: were all huge because... The Spurs jumped out 16-8 as
[38:11] Speaker 9: the Thunder are turning it over seven times in the
[38:13] Speaker 9: first quarter thanks to four turnovers from the back-to-back MVP
[38:18] Speaker 9: in the first quarter. You just can't do that in
[38:21] Speaker 9: a pivotal Game 5. You don't usually get away with it, but...
[38:27] Speaker 9: The seven foot white guy finally said, I think I'm
[38:30] Speaker 9: going to play tonight. I'm going to actually, I'm going
[38:33] Speaker 9: to shoot my shot. I'm just going to try. I
[38:35] Speaker 9: don't know if Dagnall got to him or Sam Presti
[38:37] Speaker 9: and just said, just shoot it. You know, just shoot it.
[38:41] Speaker 9: Just go up and shoot it because you can make
[38:43] Speaker 9: these shots. And he made all four and they really
[38:46] Speaker 9: saved the day and the night. That's what happened. Chet
[38:49] Speaker 9: did that. And then it was interesting that Miss Johnson
[38:53] Speaker 9: allowed Wimby to run that huddle in the third quarter
[38:56] Speaker 9: because the coaches didn't participate in the huddle. It wasn't
[38:59] Speaker 9: a coach's huddle. It was a Wimby huddle. And others,
[39:02] Speaker 9: Kelton Johnson got involved some, but Wimby was the one.
[39:06] Speaker 9: He's exhorting.
[39:07] Speaker 5: He's yelling.
[39:08] Speaker 9: It's a fiery speech, however you want to look at it.
[39:13] Speaker 9: He gave it his best shot. That's his early, what
[39:17] Speaker 9: is he, 22 years old. So this is his first shot.
[39:20] Speaker 9: I'm going to lead this team. And they come right out,
[39:23] Speaker 9: and I guess they weren't listening because De'Aaron Fox immediately
[39:26] Speaker 9: throws it in the third row. And it's a terrible
[39:29] Speaker 9: turnover that just took. the life out of the speech
[39:31] Speaker 9: in the huddle. And then late in the game, I
[39:36] Speaker 9: don't know what happened because I'm not a lip reader.
[39:39] Speaker 9: It just looks suspicious to me. It's a lack of
[39:43] Speaker 9: leadership if you're going to lean over and tell your
[39:46] Speaker 9: two bench guys, your two goons, to go get somebody.
[39:49] Speaker 2: Come on, man. But if that's not what happened, you
[39:51] Speaker 2: can't say that. It is what happened.
[39:53] Speaker 3: It is what happened.
[39:54] Speaker 4: You know that's what happened.
[39:55] Speaker 2: It is what happened. Yes, you told him to his face.
[39:57] Speaker 8: I got another one for you.
[39:59] Speaker 2: He said that out loud. That's what happened.
[40:02] Speaker 4: Yes, they sent him in there to go.
[40:04] Speaker 3: What'd you send him in the game for?
[40:06] Speaker 4: To bully a TikToker. And not even him. Didn't Pumbly
[40:09] Speaker 4: do something too? So Pumbly hit him on the back.
[40:11] Speaker 4: Both of them. They knew what they were doing.
[40:13] Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy.
[40:14] Speaker 8: And you talking about Luke Dort. Y'all the dirtiest players
[40:18] Speaker 8: in the league.
[40:19] Speaker 2: Luke Durant. You got the dirtiest.
[40:21] Speaker 4: Players in the league over there.
[40:22] Speaker 2: Talk about Luke Durant. He's the baby of the league.
[40:25] Speaker 2: You got to come up with something. I know we're live.
[40:28] Speaker 4: Y'all know we are live. Did you see this?
[40:31] Speaker 3: I've seen it.
[40:31] Speaker 2: You got to come up with something else.
[40:33] Speaker 3: He said I got another one for you.
[40:34] Speaker 2: You got to come up with something else.
[40:36] Speaker 3: He said I got another one.
[40:36] Speaker 8: And then Palmley come in and just knock the dude
[40:39] Speaker 8: off the floor.
[40:39] Speaker 2: Who just does with the elbows and shit? If he's
[40:42] Speaker 2: not in the game, guess who don't get fouled? Come on, man.
[40:44] Speaker 4: Y'all have been playing dirty. Castle out there playing football.
[40:47] Speaker 4: You got football and UFC players out there.
[40:50] Speaker 3: Castle ran into Schaefer.
[40:52] Speaker 9: Then Rashad. Look, if you are the leader of this
[40:59] Speaker 9: team and it's a really good team and it ain't over,
[41:03] Speaker 9: we still got a long way to go. You have
[41:06] Speaker 9: to go suck it up. And take your licks from
[41:10] Speaker 9: the media. You've got to go answer the hard questions
[41:13] Speaker 9: because you can't leave the rest of them to have
[41:16] Speaker 9: to answer for you. And that's what happened. All the
[41:19] Speaker 9: rest of them had to answer for him because he ducked.
[41:23] Speaker 9: And it's just... He loves to– he can front run.
[41:27] Speaker 9: He loves to sit up there when the world's at
[41:29] Speaker 9: his feet saying, you're the greatest we've ever seen. Remember
[41:32] Speaker 9: down the stretch of the season, he's up there after
[41:34] Speaker 9: every game campaigning for MVP. I think I'm the MVP.
[41:37] Speaker 4: I'm the MVP.
[41:38] Speaker 2: Remember that?
[41:38] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[41:40] Speaker 2: I believe it.
[41:41] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[41:43] Speaker 9: And now you have to take the bad with the good,
[41:47] Speaker 9: and you have to show your teammates– I ain't running
[41:50] Speaker 9: from nobody.
[41:52] Speaker 2: I'm here.
[41:52] Speaker 9: We're here. And all you have to do is go
[41:55] Speaker 9: up there and say, we're going to be ready for
[41:57] Speaker 9: game six. That's all you need to say. But you
[42:00] Speaker 9: have to be accountable to your teammates. And that was
[42:04] Speaker 9: just wrong. And the NBA won't like it either because
[42:06] Speaker 9: they're trying to push him as the face of the
[42:09] Speaker 9: league now. And he is ratings gold internationally. I got it.
[42:14] Speaker 9: So you can't duck that responsibility.
[42:17] Speaker 4: That's... Now....
[42:20] Speaker 9: Now you've got a crack in the foundation that he's building.
[42:24] Speaker 3: That's what you have. We see it. First it was
[42:26] Speaker 3: the elbow. Now he's running for the media.
[42:30] Speaker 2: Sean, do you think Wimmy Duck in the media was
[42:32] Speaker 2: a big deal or not a big deal? I feel
[42:37] Speaker 2: like he should have addressed it, but the fact that
[42:40] Speaker 2: he didn't is not the end of the fucking world.
[42:42] Speaker 4: Yes, it is.
[42:43] Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
[42:43] Speaker 2: It's not the end. It's the end of the fucking
[42:45] Speaker 2: world of people watching and people pushing narrative.
[42:49] Speaker 4: Yes, it is.
[42:50] Speaker 2: Yes, it is. When we talked about when.
[42:51] Speaker 3: Other people did it, you were saying that.
[42:53] Speaker 4: I mean, LeBron had that same.
[42:54] Speaker 2: Whoever.
[42:55] Speaker 4: Who did it?
[42:55] Speaker 2: Who else did it?
[42:56] Speaker 4: Brooks.
[42:57] Speaker 6: Huh?
[42:57] Speaker 4: Talked about Brooks.
[42:58] Speaker 2: I said something about Brooks? No, I didn't. So what
[43:01] Speaker 2: are you talking about?
[43:01] Speaker 4: It would be the start of World War III.
[43:02] Speaker 2: Who else did it?
[43:03] Speaker 3: I don't remember. Who else did it? I just gave
[43:05] Speaker 3: you one example already.
[43:06] Speaker 2: Okay, cool. I gave you one example already. I don't
[43:09] Speaker 2: need to give you all of them. Yes, he should
[43:10] Speaker 2: have addressed the media. Yes, that's a certain point. Like
[43:14] Speaker 2: you said, accountability for your teammates only.
[43:17] Speaker 3: Cool.
[43:19] Speaker 2: Do we have other opportunities to correct that? Yes. Cracking
[43:24] Speaker 2: the foundation? Come on, man. You're being dramatic. We're not
[43:27] Speaker 2: watching the fucking Titanic, okay?
[43:29] Speaker 9: We are.
[43:30] Speaker 2: We're not watching the Titanic, okay? I don't know.
[43:32] Speaker 9: They go down.
[43:32] Speaker 2: Okay, we're not watching the fucking Titanic.
[43:35] Speaker 4: Have the Spurs hit an iceberg? No.
[43:37] Speaker 3: That was the biggest shit ever.
[43:39] Speaker 2: I mean.
[43:40] Speaker 4: No. Previously thought to be unsuccessful.
[43:42] Speaker 2: We're just dealing with some turbulence right now.
[43:44] Speaker 8: I mean, if you're going to duck the media, that
[43:45] Speaker 8: means you better win game six. And you better come
[43:47] Speaker 8: out winning this series.
[43:49] Speaker 2: Well, it ain't going to change our perspective on Wimby.
[43:51] Speaker 2: You sit here and just Wimby, Wimby, Wimby, Wimby like
[43:54] Speaker 2: nobody else is out there playing in the game. Wimby, Wimby, Wimby.
[43:57] Speaker 2: Why does it matter?
[43:57] Speaker 8: I mean, when LeBron James was playing in the playoffs,
[44:03] Speaker 8: it was, oh, no, LeBron James, you're the best player
[44:05] Speaker 8: in the world. You should be able to get them
[44:06] Speaker 8: over the hump. Wimby, you're the best player in the world.
[44:08] Speaker 8: You better get them over the hump.
[44:10] Speaker 3: Same thing.
[44:10] Speaker 4: Same energy. Keep the same energy. Keep the same energy.
[44:14] Speaker 4: That's all I want. You're going to say that about
[44:16] Speaker 4: a 41-year-old LeBron James? Best player, he got to do it.
[44:18] Speaker 4: You got to do the same thing.
[44:21] Speaker 3: I need that same energy.
[44:23] Speaker 2: Come on, be a dog. He better get out.
[44:27] Speaker 4: Of this series.
[44:28] Speaker 2: Since you want to duck media, get out the series.
[44:30] Speaker 4: Y'all know we live, right?
[44:31] Speaker 2: Don't nobody believe this shit.
[44:33] Speaker 3: Come on.
[44:34] Speaker 2: I need that same energy. I need that same energy.
[44:37] Speaker 2: I need that same energy.
[44:38] Speaker 4: No one believes. I'm tired of that.
[44:39] Speaker 2: You're not believable. I'm tired of that. We don't believe it.
[44:43] Speaker 4: We don't believe it.
[44:44] Speaker 2: He ain't got the glow. I don't believe it.
[44:45] Speaker 4: He ain't got the glow.
[44:46] Speaker 2: You have to be a little authentic here.
[44:47] Speaker 8: 41-year-old.
[44:48] Speaker 2: Come on, man. Come on.
[44:49] Speaker 4: You're the best player in the world. You better get
[44:50] Speaker 4: them over the hump.
[44:50] Speaker 2: That was a failed season.
[44:52] Speaker 4: Man, this is going to be a failed season right
[44:53] Speaker 4: here if you don't get over the hump. Sweet.
[44:55] Speaker 2: Sweet.
[44:56] Speaker 3: If it's a fail, I get one.
[44:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, he better get to the finals.
[45:01] Speaker 2: Did LeBron get swept?
[45:04] Speaker 9: His first final.
[45:04] Speaker 4: I mean, the Lakers did.
[45:06] Speaker 2: What the fuck is he talking about? As a 41-year-old.
[45:09] Speaker 4: Because you said LeBron James.
[45:10] Speaker 2: You was talking about LeBron James. We didn't get swept.
[45:13] Speaker 4: It don't matter if you got swept or not.
[45:15] Speaker 2: You better get out of this.
[45:15] Speaker 4: You better get out of this series. If you lose,
[45:17] Speaker 4: you lose.
[45:18] Speaker 2: If you lose, you lose. Is your team playing? Mm-hmm.
[45:22] Speaker 2: Who are your teams?
[45:23] Speaker 4: OKC?
[45:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it is.
[45:24] Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
[45:26] Speaker 2: You just be lying on point. You just be lying
[45:29] Speaker 2: on point. Didn't I tell you about the lion yesterday?
[45:31] Speaker 3: Didn't I tell you about the.
[45:33] Speaker 2: Lion, the tiger, and the bear? What noise did they make?
[45:35] Speaker 2: Didn't I tell you?
[45:37] Speaker 4: Huh?
[45:37] Speaker 2: You don't even know who your team is. You don't
[45:40] Speaker 2: even know. You don't even know.
[45:42] Speaker 4: You didn't even.
[45:43] Speaker 2: Wear socks yesterday.
[45:44] Speaker 4: You don't even know.
[45:45] Speaker 2: What the fuck is you talking about, nigga?
[45:47] Speaker 4: Try it.
[45:47] Speaker 3: In the triads, we don't wear socks. In the triads,
[45:52] Speaker 3: we don't wear socks.
[45:53] Speaker 4: Come on, man. In the triads, we don't wear socks.
[45:54] Speaker 2: Come on, man. When we come out here with that shit, man.
[45:58] Speaker 3: Come on, man. Stop fucking with me.
[46:01] Speaker 2: I do this.
[46:01] Speaker 3: You got to feel the ground after you.
[46:03] Speaker 4: You got to feel the ground after you.
[46:05] Speaker 1: So let's keep this thing moving in a positive direction
[46:09] Speaker 1: for some.
[46:09] Speaker 4: For some.
[46:11] Speaker 1: So we've talked about the Chet versus Wimby rivalry in
[46:14] Speaker 1: the past. I think Wimby's basically said it's not a
[46:17] Speaker 1: rivalry because Chet is not on his level. Chet made
[46:21] Speaker 1: his first All-NBA team Sunday, left much to be desired
[46:25] Speaker 1: in the first four games of the series. He was
[46:26] Speaker 1: averaging just 11.6 rebounds, shooting 47% from the field, 33%
[46:30] Speaker 1: from three in those games. Had his best game of
[46:33] Speaker 1: the series, game five, 16 points on three. Six of
[46:35] Speaker 1: nine shooting, 11 rebounds. Had that moment early on. Tried
[46:39] Speaker 1: to dunk on Winby. Shot clock expired. But after watching
[46:42] Speaker 1: the shot get beat up for most of the series,
[46:43] Speaker 1: it was, I think, refreshing for him, even though the
[46:45] Speaker 1: bucket didn't count. They caught Winby later in that game. But, Skip,
[46:49] Speaker 1: as a resident Oklahoma City fan, what did Chet Holmgren
[46:52] Speaker 1: show you with his Game 5 performance?
[46:55] Speaker 9: Well, as I just said about the first quarter, it
[46:57] Speaker 9: was all about the first quarter. And he showed his
[47:01] Speaker 9: teammates that, for once, he wasn't afraid. And that was huge.
[47:07] Speaker 9: But just, he's nothing without his fellow post player. Like,
[47:14] Speaker 9: Isaiah Hartenstein was the key to the night last night.
[47:17] Speaker 9: He's everything. Where Chet made four shots. And then went
[47:22] Speaker 9: a little quiet after that. Fine. But without Hartenstein, they
[47:28] Speaker 9: don't win. And just, if we can get the Knicks
[47:30] Speaker 9: back in the conversation here, just for the record, remember,
[47:33] Speaker 9: just two years ago, he was a Knick, Hartenstein. And
[47:37] Speaker 9: Sam Presti is not a big player in free agency,
[47:41] Speaker 9: but he knew, I can't do it with just Chet.
[47:45] Speaker 9: Chet's got skills, and he's 7'1, and he can run
[47:48] Speaker 9: the court a little bit. He's got that, but... But
[47:52] Speaker 9: he doesn't have what Hartenstein has in him, which is
[47:55] Speaker 9: guts and grit and fight and just.
[48:00] Speaker 9: Just competitiveness, and he's got physical strength. And Sam Presti said,
[48:06] Speaker 9: I got to go get that and I got to
[48:08] Speaker 9: pay for that.
[48:09] Speaker 2: You forget something though, Skip. He's got little black people
[48:12] Speaker 2: in him too. He's mixed.
[48:14] Speaker 9: Okay, all right. Fair enough.
[48:16] Speaker 2: He's mixed. He's on both sides. You had to go
[48:20] Speaker 2: get some other shit to help this guy.
[48:22] Speaker 9: The other guy's not mixed.
[48:23] Speaker 2: He's not. He's from Minnesota. That is true.
[48:25] Speaker 9: Bingo. So Hardenstein, Sam Presti gives him $ 30 million. It's
[48:33] Speaker 9: almost $ 90 million for three years because he said, I
[48:37] Speaker 9: can't do it without that guy. And last night, it
[48:40] Speaker 9: was just glaring. Without that guy, you're not going to
[48:43] Speaker 9: survive because Chet can't do that. He can take Wimby
[48:47] Speaker 9: here and there and spot, you know, and he can
[48:49] Speaker 9: go up and try to bother his shot a little
[48:52] Speaker 9: bit here and there. But without Hardenstein... He's it against Wimby.
[48:58] Speaker 9: It took him a couple of games to figure out,
[49:02] Speaker 9: we don't need to go play with Caruso down there
[49:05] Speaker 9: or Dork trying to get underneath him. Just let Hartenstein
[49:08] Speaker 9: just face up to him and just say, here, I'm here.
[49:12] Speaker 9: If you can beat me, beat me. And last night,
[49:14] Speaker 9: he couldn't beat him. Maybe in game six down back home,
[49:17] Speaker 9: he'll feel more comfortable to just attack him and beat him.
[49:19] Speaker 9: the way he did in game four. But I try
[49:25] Speaker 9: to imagine the Knicks, if they still had Hartenstein, who
[49:27] Speaker 9: they could have never kept because he had made the...
[49:31] Speaker 9: He's a 9-9 guy who can change your defense.
[49:34] Speaker 4: You know, that's, you know, and it.
[49:37] Speaker 3: Floater boys.
[49:37] Speaker 9: Yeah, and the little floaters.
[49:39] Speaker 2: That shit goes in. That goes in. I hate it.
[49:42] Speaker 2: Every time it goes in.
[49:43] Speaker 4: Oh, my God, I hate it.
[49:44] Speaker 2: I'm like, that shit is bottom. That shit is bottom.
[49:47] Speaker 9: Yeah, and the point of floaters.
[49:50] Speaker 3: The offensive rebound is like crazy.
[49:52] Speaker 9: Like last night, he scored 12 points, and you feel
[49:54] Speaker 9: like it's 30 points when he's making these ridiculous floaters, right?
[49:57] Speaker 4: Deplating buckets. Yeah, because he's.
[50:00] Speaker 9: Never going to take a three, so he's not one
[50:02] Speaker 9: of those fives who can go out there and just
[50:04] Speaker 9: spot up and shoot it. No, he just does the
[50:09] Speaker 9: dirty work that Chet can't do. And so that was
[50:14] Speaker 9: the best you could get from Chet to open a game,
[50:16] Speaker 9: and they needed it, and they're going to need it
[50:18] Speaker 9: again and again. And their games... Against the Knicks this
[50:23] Speaker 9: year at Madison Square Garden, I think the Thunder won
[50:26] Speaker 9: by three, and Chet made six threes because he's pretty good.
[50:29] Speaker 9: He can shoot it. So that's what he does, but
[50:34] Speaker 9: without the combination of the other guy, they're not the same.
[50:38] Speaker 4: I agree.
[50:40] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[50:40] Speaker 4: Is it time for Chet to start going at Wimby?
[50:42] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[50:43] Speaker 4: The shoulder bump? I think he heard me yesterday. I
[50:46] Speaker 4: think that rivalry is over.
[50:47] Speaker 1: Just see what he's about, though. I'm saying Wimby should
[50:49] Speaker 1: under-check you.
[50:50] Speaker 3: Chet heard me yesterday.
[50:51] Speaker 2: Chet always taking the high road. I'm tired of taking
[50:53] Speaker 2: the high road. Everybody's seen the Chet's bump because that's
[50:56] Speaker 2: what it is. That's my energy towards you.
[50:58] Speaker 4: And the foul.
[50:59] Speaker 2: And the foul on him. And if 16 and 11,
[51:00] Speaker 2: 16 and 11 is the best you're going to, Give
[51:06] Speaker 2: as a response, cool. Third team, all NBA, 16 and 11.
[51:10] Speaker 2: And then you got 12 and 15 from Hartenstein. Like,
[51:16] Speaker 2: you're talking about a bruiser. Somebody goes down there as
[51:18] Speaker 2: a vet and knows, listen, I got this. I know
[51:22] Speaker 2: what he don't like. It's like having Reggie Evans or Eric–
[51:27] Speaker 2: Brian Grant guarding you in the post. That's who you
[51:31] Speaker 2: put up against a Shaq or a Tim Duncan. It's like, listen,
[51:34] Speaker 2: we got to muck the game up. It's just like
[51:37] Speaker 2: Mike Tyson fighting fucking Linus Lewis. I can't just jab
[51:40] Speaker 2: you to death. I got to try to get inside.
[51:42] Speaker 2: And if I can't figure out how to bite your
[51:44] Speaker 2: fucking ear. Like, we got to figure out something to
[51:47] Speaker 2: get you rattled and off your game. They've done that.
[51:50] Speaker 2: It is frustrating for Wimby.
[51:52] Speaker 4: Holyfield.
[51:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, that was eventually. Holyfield, but I'm saying try.
[51:54] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[51:54] Speaker 2: Try to bite you. Even try to bite Lennox there, too. Yeah,
[51:57] Speaker 2: that's true. But it's just to change it up.
[52:00] Speaker 4: It was a tyrannical tyrant, Lennox.
[52:01] Speaker 2: You look at the ability for them to frustrate Wimby,
[52:06] Speaker 2: and if that's going to be the thing to get
[52:08] Speaker 2: him off his game, why would you change that? I
[52:11] Speaker 2: wouldn't change that, especially if I can keep Harkestine in
[52:14] Speaker 2: front of him. and still play elbows and boxes and
[52:17] Speaker 2: stop him from driving, which happened last night when the
[52:20] Speaker 2: ball went off of Chet's leg. That possession alone showed
[52:25] Speaker 2: me how frustrating it was for Wimby offensively. He tried
[52:29] Speaker 2: to make a move. You had Wallace there, Caruso coming across,
[52:33] Speaker 2: and you had Harkestan still in front, and you had
[52:36] Speaker 2: Chet on the backside ready to come over the block.
[52:39] Speaker 2: That's just him being aggressive but not having anywhere to go.
[52:43] Speaker 2: And that's going to be the series for the rest
[52:44] Speaker 2: of the way for him. He has to figure out
[52:47] Speaker 2: how in one of the possessions in the second half
[52:50] Speaker 2: where he drove middle, went up, check came across, he
[52:55] Speaker 2: passed it to Keldon Johnson for a three. That was
[52:57] Speaker 2: the play where you are decoy now. And I think
[53:01] Speaker 2: Jamal Crawford was saying something about him being more aggressive.
[53:04] Speaker 2: They kept harping on he's not doing enough, he's not
[53:07] Speaker 2: doing enough. But in real time, he's trying to figure
[53:10] Speaker 2: out what to do. Other than just try to be
[53:12] Speaker 2: aggressive and do what Stephon Castle was doing in one
[53:15] Speaker 2: and two, where you're just turning the ball over trying
[53:17] Speaker 2: to be aggressive. He's like, I got to find the
[53:19] Speaker 2: open guy. I got to figure out who's open and
[53:22] Speaker 2: when and why. And so when he made that play,
[53:25] Speaker 2: I felt like we had a chance. But then again,
[53:27] Speaker 2: we talk about hitting shots. If those guys aren't hitting shots,
[53:31] Speaker 2: no matter what Wimby does, it looks like a turnover.
[53:34] Speaker 2: That looks like a bad non-competitive shot. He don't look
[53:38] Speaker 2: like he got energy. He's not being aggressive. But he's
[53:42] Speaker 2: really thinking the game in real time. Like, all right,
[53:44] Speaker 2: I got to be the decoy. Gil used to say
[53:46] Speaker 2: it all the time. In a certain game, when you
[53:48] Speaker 2: got guys coming to you saying, listen, man, this is
[53:52] Speaker 2: not going to be your night tonight. You got to
[53:54] Speaker 2: figure out how to make it somebody else's night. So
[53:57] Speaker 2: how are you going to do that without looking like
[53:59] Speaker 2: you don't want to play? So I think that's the
[54:02] Speaker 2: criticism for Wimby right now.
[54:04] Speaker 9: So the Thunder, they're notorious for giving up especially open
[54:08] Speaker 9: corner threes because of what you said. If somebody drives it,
[54:12] Speaker 9: Caruso and Cason-Waltz, they're going to try to dig it out,
[54:16] Speaker 9: and they're going for the steal because if they steal it,
[54:19] Speaker 9: they're going to go the other way and dunk it.
[54:21] Speaker 9: That's how they play. And last night, they barely won
[54:25] Speaker 9: points off turnover, so it wasn't that, but they're going
[54:28] Speaker 9: to make it hard on Wimby because from 7-6, if
[54:31] Speaker 9: you're trying to do the long dribbles, somebody's going to
[54:34] Speaker 9: get underneath it.
[54:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, every time.
[54:36] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[54:37] Speaker 2: I was just trying to get back. Even just trying
[54:39] Speaker 2: to get back is good for the Thunder because they're
[54:42] Speaker 2: showing bodies for Wimby. He's second guessing the drive because
[54:46] Speaker 2: of the show and get back. Or even the full rotation.
[54:49] Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's what the Spurs did in game four.
[54:51] Speaker 4: That's why they.
[54:52] Speaker 2: But think about the Spurs of the past. The Spurs
[54:54] Speaker 2: of the past. So to guard somebody else, too.
[54:57] Speaker 3: That, too. That's what I like. That's where they win.
[54:59] Speaker 2: That, too.
[54:59] Speaker 3: When he ain't guarding Wimby.
[55:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[55:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it allows him to be more
[55:04] Speaker 2: of a role.
[55:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, be who he is.
[55:05] Speaker 2: Think of the Spurs from the past. What was the
[55:08] Speaker 2: number one thing they had in that Tim Duncan throwout?
[55:12] Speaker 2: Corner three. Bruce Bowen in the corner every fucking time.
[55:17] Speaker 2: Now the Spurs identity for that particular offense was it
[55:21] Speaker 2: not only Bruce Bowen, but it was the wing three,
[55:25] Speaker 2: which was Bonner. Matt Bonner had the wing three, which
[55:30] Speaker 2: is the slot, the slot position on the swing swing.
[55:33] Speaker 2: So you had Bonner on this wing and you had
[55:36] Speaker 2: Ginobili on the other wing. Ginobili was the driver. And
[55:40] Speaker 2: if he got it, he's driving left. But Bonner was
[55:43] Speaker 2: on the other wing where it was swing swing from
[55:45] Speaker 2: Tim Duncan and And it was either him shooting it
[55:47] Speaker 2: or Bruce Bowen shooting it. And when you got that
[55:50] Speaker 2: type of understanding about Bruce, we don't want you dribbling.
[55:53] Speaker 2: We don't want you doing– shooting this corner three because
[55:56] Speaker 2: this is where you're.
[55:57] Speaker 4: Going to get it.
[55:57] Speaker 2: We need to identify who that's going to be for
[55:59] Speaker 2: us now.
[56:00] Speaker 8: We just have to get that player. These guys now
[56:02] Speaker 8: are all drivers and they're more.
[56:03] Speaker 2: Vassell can be– I think Vassell is that player. Vassell
[56:05] Speaker 2: is that player. Because he can hit that shot. No,
[56:07] Speaker 2: but Sam Haney is that guy. He hit early.
[56:13] Speaker 4: He hit early.
[56:14] Speaker 8: Those guys back then, that's because that's what they.
[56:17] Speaker 2: Had to do. Bruce became the guy. They made him
[56:20] Speaker 2: the guy. They told him, you're going to hit this shot.
[56:23] Speaker 2: That's all he could do. he wasn't yeah but Champagne
[56:28] Speaker 2: is not Champagne is a shooter.
[56:29] Speaker 1: He struggled early on in the series 6 for 31
[56:33] Speaker 1: one dribble shot.
[56:34] Speaker 8: Yeah but they can't do that they have all guys
[56:36] Speaker 8: that can do this but back then they can they
[56:38] Speaker 8: was yes Bonner yes don't dribble of course but now
[56:41] Speaker 8: yes everybody can score so this is a different team
[56:44] Speaker 8: yes we can't hit it but also we can score
[56:46] Speaker 8: that's why they're where they're at now they didn't hit
[56:48] Speaker 8: it last.
[56:48] Speaker 2: Night but I take what got there though you.
[56:51] Speaker 3: Can't Well, that one play, I know what you're talking about.
[56:58] Speaker 3: That was an easy shot. You don't need to put
[57:00] Speaker 3: the ball down like that.
[57:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, but what got them there? Because they were, I mean, yeah,
[57:03] Speaker 4: you didn't make shots.
[57:04] Speaker 8: Okay, but that don't mean the game plan was.
[57:07] Speaker 2: What happened to the game plan. The game plan can't
[57:10] Speaker 2: be live by the three, die by the three. And
[57:12] Speaker 2: that's how they play. We shot, what, ten more three-pointers
[57:15] Speaker 2: than they did last night? They shot 40-something percent from
[57:19] Speaker 2: the three, which is the difference because we shot way
[57:21] Speaker 2: more than they should have, especially late. Trying to make
[57:24] Speaker 2: the comeback when. When you in turn, you have to
[57:29] Speaker 2: think about what got us here, like you just said,
[57:31] Speaker 2: what got us here, moving the ball, driving the ball
[57:35] Speaker 2: and hitting open shots. Last night, we forced a lot
[57:39] Speaker 2: of play. based on OKC making the fucking adjustments. You
[57:43] Speaker 2: have to give OKC credit for making adjustments. Even Shea
[57:48] Speaker 2: said it in the press conference. We were able to
[57:50] Speaker 2: make adjustments and execute down the line.
[57:53] Speaker 8: I mean, it's not really too many adjustments. I mean, shit,
[57:55] Speaker 8: we didn't play nine straight times. I think it's just Wimby.
[57:58] Speaker 8: Wimby didn't show up.
[57:59] Speaker 2: No, that's not it.
[58:00] Speaker 4: It's adjustments, bro.
[58:01] Speaker 8: You said when Wimby's knocking down that three. Bro, listen,
[58:04] Speaker 8: I'm giving Wimby that shot. I'm going to let Wimby
[58:07] Speaker 8: come out. shoot two or three in a row because
[58:09] Speaker 8: he's going to fall in love with it. That's all
[58:11] Speaker 8: he's going to do.
[58:11] Speaker 4: And what happened game four, you guys didn't do the
[58:14] Speaker 4: same thing in game five. You guys are inconsistent. Wimby's inconsistent.
[58:17] Speaker 2: What did we do different this game then, Brandon?
[58:20] Speaker 4: What did you guys do different?
[58:21] Speaker 2: What did we do different? Wimby.
[58:22] Speaker 4: It's Wimby.
[58:23] Speaker 2: No, what did we do different? No, Wimby. What did
[58:25] Speaker 2: Wimby do different?
[58:25] Speaker 4: Wimby didn't show up.
[58:26] Speaker 2: That's what happened. What didn't he do? He didn't show up.
[58:29] Speaker 4: He didn't have no energy.
[58:29] Speaker 2: No, I understand.
[58:30] Speaker 4: He wasn't scoring in the paint.
[58:32] Speaker 2: Like he was before.
[58:32] Speaker 10: We all know that.
[58:34] Speaker 4: When you guys win, you guys score 50-something points in
[58:35] Speaker 4: the paint.
[58:36] Speaker 2: What was he doing to score in the paint?
[58:38] Speaker 4: He wasn't in the paint. He wasn't scoring.
[58:39] Speaker 2: What was he doing the last game that he wasn't
[58:41] Speaker 2: doing this game?
[58:42] Speaker 4: He said, what was he doing the last game? He
[58:43] Speaker 4: was in the paint, bro.
[58:45] Speaker 8: When you guys are winning, you guys are scoring over
[58:47] Speaker 8: 50-something points in the paint.
[58:48] Speaker 4: Do you understand that? Yes, I understand that. So you
[58:51] Speaker 4: guys are not.
[58:52] Speaker 2: So the adjustment is what for OKC?
[58:54] Speaker 4: Well, the adjustment's been Hardenstein keeping his ass down.
[58:56] Speaker 8: Keeping him out of the paint. Get to the paint.
[58:58] Speaker 8: So why you can't get to the paint?
[59:00] Speaker 2: Because he's keeping me out of the paint.
[59:02] Speaker 4: But what happened game four?
[59:03] Speaker 2: He couldn't keep me out of the... paint because our
[59:07] Speaker 2: guys were hitting shots. You have to rotate out, which
[59:11] Speaker 2: pushed Harkinstein out of detriment.
[59:14] Speaker 4: I have to.
[59:15] Speaker 2: Rotate, get my hand out.
[59:16] Speaker 4: I can't go out with me, and I can't walk out.
[59:19] Speaker 4: How about you say your guy didn't have no energy?
[59:21] Speaker 2: No, you don't say that because that's a lazy take, man.
[59:23] Speaker 8: That's a lazy take.
[59:25] Speaker 2: That's a real take.
[59:27] Speaker 4: That's a lazy take.
[59:28] Speaker 2: That's a real take.
[59:29] Speaker 4: That's a lazy take.
[59:30] Speaker 2: That's a real take.
[59:31] Speaker 4: That's a lazy take.
[59:32] Speaker 3: You're talking about.
[59:34] Speaker 2: The old Spurs.
[59:35] Speaker 3: You can slow the game down and send Wimmy down
[59:37] Speaker 3: to the post instead of making him take it.
[59:39] Speaker 2: That's what we've been saying. I think we all made
[59:42] Speaker 2: that assessment. That's what I'm about to say. Is there
[59:44] Speaker 2: a place for that? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Mitch
[59:47] Speaker 2: don't want to do that.
[59:48] Speaker 3: Because every time, when we got to create something.
[59:50] Speaker 9: Right.
[59:51] Speaker 3: I've been saying that.
[59:52] Speaker 2: They don't have anybody that can do it.
[59:53] Speaker 4: They don't have nobody that can do it.
[59:54] Speaker 2: Mitch don't have that adjustment ready for the offense because
[59:58] Speaker 2: they have the guard-centric offense. They do the flares. They
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: do the pin downs for Wimby. They want to get
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: him in the middle of the floor. Now, when you
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: got elbows and boxes at the middle of the floor, listen,
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: I support everything you're saying. Let's get him on the block.
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: Let's make them play against us one-on-one on the block.
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: Let's dig. Let's make them rotate on the backside if
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: you want to double. Let's let Wimby play from there.
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: But if we're not going to do that... Which they haven't.
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: They haven't. They plan on a perimeter depending on a three-pointer.
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: So that's going to be the detriment to you. And
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: Wimpy can't go down there and force it right now.
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: He's not going to force it.
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: He's not going to be like, yo, I can throw
[1:00:36] Speaker 3: that pass to the post.
[1:00:37] Speaker 8: Yeah, Ken said it on the couch. He spoke with
[1:00:39] Speaker 8: one of the coaches on the team. He spoke with
[1:00:40] Speaker 8: one of the coaches, and he said they don't have
[1:00:41] Speaker 8: somebody that.
[1:00:41] Speaker 4: Can throw the ball down there.
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: Throw it to them as far as the spin lob
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: and all that. Yeah, so that's why they can't do it.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: No way. Yeah, so they are. I'm not rolling.
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: Fox can't throw that pass?
[1:00:51] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I was.
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: Over the top pass?
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:00:55] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: Dude, they've been throwing a lob to him. What's the difference?
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: Well, because it's coming in the pick and roll.
[1:01:00] Speaker 4: And now.
[1:01:01] Speaker 3: Still, you could just... You're coming off the pick and roll.
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: No, but y'all not seeing what's happening in the pick
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: and roll? They're collapsing.
[1:01:07] Speaker 3: He's towering over Shea for that.
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: That's one. That's when they don't rotate over. But when
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: they do, they got four guys collapsing on the pick
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: and roll, which is why they open up the three
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: and they just missing it.
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: You can't have each player on a perimeter and just
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: tell Wimmy to go down and just throw it like this.
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: You could, but they inverted on the back side.
[1:01:26] Speaker 8: He can't get there because they plunking him.
[1:01:28] Speaker 4: He's not strong enough.
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He can't just be manning the corner.
[1:01:32] Speaker 4: No.
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: All on the three-point line. Arkansas is inverting so that
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: he's the low man every time.
[1:01:38] Speaker 3: But still, he's towering over Harkinstein.
[1:01:40] Speaker 8: I know what you're saying. You say he just can't
[1:01:42] Speaker 8: run down there. Yeah, just run to the post and
[1:01:44] Speaker 8: be like, you know, right here.
[1:01:45] Speaker 4: No, he can't.
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: That's the problem. You don't have that body weight. He's
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: not strong like that.
[1:01:49] Speaker 3: It don't matter if you're strong enough.
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. No. You can push him off his spot.
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: This is the part of playing post defense. If you
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: push somebody that's almost a whole foot.
[1:01:57] Speaker 4: Kareem wasn't that strong.
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: It don't matter, bro. All you got to do is
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: turn around.
[1:02:01] Speaker 4: Kareem wasn't that strong.
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: You know what post-defense is, right?
[1:02:04] Speaker 4: Yeah, shit.
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: Post-defense. But that's a foul, though. Three-quarter. Okay, what did
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: you just say? What did you just say? They would.
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: They would. But they haven't.
[1:02:13] Speaker 3: Because he haven't went down there.
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: So listen, if I'm three-quarter defense on the post, and
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: I'm Harkinstein, And there ain't no corner field for you
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: to go wing, corner, throw it into Wimby, right? We're
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: not playing that because we don't play down there, right?
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: So let's just say you get Wimby in the post
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: and Harkinstein's fronting.
[1:02:35] Speaker 4: It.
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: Kenyon's saying they don't have a player that's willing to
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: throw the ball over the top to Wimby to make
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: that play. So they're not playing that. So now, if
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: let's say... I get it.
[1:02:45] Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying.
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: It's still a turnover because I'm pushing you off of
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: your spot, bro.
[1:02:53] Speaker 4: Think about it.
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: Nick, if you like getting the ball at a certain
[1:02:56] Speaker 2: point in the mid-post, right?
[1:02:58] Speaker 4: That's a fast one.
[1:02:59] Speaker 2: It's not a foul if you don't catch the ball yet.
[1:03:02] Speaker 4: If I'm trying to catch it and you push me.
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: And I push you off your spot. That's a foul. No,
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: it's not.
[1:03:05] Speaker 4: No, it's not.
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: How? Because defensively, I get to put my arm bar
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: on you. No, you can't push me, though. Bro, if
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: I ride you.
[1:03:12] Speaker 3: If I'm standing in one spot, you just push me. Yeah,
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: I'll just fall.
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: Let's show them then, Nick.
[1:03:16] Speaker 3: Come on.
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: Let's show them. Wimby, you three-quarter me, right?
[1:03:20] Speaker 3: I'm right here posting up.
[1:03:21] Speaker 4: Boom.
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: Before you get the ball, BJ. You're about to throw
[1:03:25] Speaker 2: him the ball. You're about to throw him the ball. Okay.
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: So you throw it. I'm pushing you.
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: I'm right here.
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: I'm pushing you off of your spot. Come on, though.
[1:03:34] Speaker 4: All right. Now, but you're not in the spot that
[1:03:36] Speaker 4: you want to be.
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: Do you see this?
[1:03:37] Speaker 4: Now turn.
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: This is all that. Now turn. Now turn. Now turn.
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: Now turn. Now turn.
[1:03:42] Speaker 4: Now turn.
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: Now turn.
[1:03:43] Speaker 4: Now turn.
[1:03:44] Speaker 2: Now turn. Yes, they are. You're not calling that. You
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: know why? Because I'm here with my arm bar.
[1:03:51] Speaker 3: I'm not dislodging you.
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: I'm not doing this. I'm just strong. If that was Chet,
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: come back.
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: I know I'm strong.
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: You can't score on me. You can't score on me.
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: If I'm Chet, you're able to do what?
[1:04:06] Speaker 4: Right here.
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: Look, you're winning, but I'm going to allow it because
[1:04:12] Speaker 2: I can't be strong with you. I'm not strong.
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: Even if Hockenstein was strong.
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: I'm here. I'm here. It's a bad shot for you. No,
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: it's not. It's really like this.
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: It's really like this.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: Thank you. It's like this. It don't matter. Thank you.
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: It don't matter. That's a good shot. All day. That's
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: a good shot. All day. That's a good shot. He
[1:04:33] Speaker 2: don't shoot 80% from the field, bro. That's a good shot.
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: He don't shoot 80% from the field. If on that post,
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: it would be. That's a good shot.
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: That's a good shot.
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: No. You telling me that right now, when being in
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: the mid post is going to hit 80% of those shots?
[1:04:47] Speaker 4: No.
[1:04:48] Speaker 2: Hand up? Contest it? No. The job for me is
[1:04:52] Speaker 2: to make it difficult for you. Make it a difficult catch,
[1:04:56] Speaker 2: push you off your spot, and now play front. Wimby
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: don't have that skill yet. We've been saying it. He
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: don't have the Tim Duncan skill where he can catch
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: and face you up in the post, make a move,
[1:05:08] Speaker 2: and do his thing. Tim Duncan did four years of
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: college to develop that. So you're looking at Wimby, 22
[1:05:14] Speaker 2: years old. He's trying to go with Hakeem. He's been
[1:05:17] Speaker 2: working with Kevin Garnett. He's trying to develop the skill set.
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: He don't even have the jump hook. When have you
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: seen Winby do a jump hook?
[1:05:26] Speaker 4: That's a problem. Never.
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: You know why?
[1:05:29] Speaker 4: Because he doesn't work on it.
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: He's not a big.
[1:05:32] Speaker 4: He doesn't work on it.
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: He's not a fucking center.
[1:05:35] Speaker 4: That's on him.
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: He's not a center.
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: He's a fucking guard.
[1:05:39] Speaker 2: He's a 7'6 guard.
[1:05:41] Speaker 9: He is.
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: And that's why if he learned the jump hook, imagine
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: him learning the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar jump hook.
[1:05:47] Speaker 9: What skill does he have at a great level already?
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: Shooting.
[1:05:51] Speaker 9: Free throw shooting.
[1:05:52] Speaker 4: That too.
[1:05:53] Speaker 9: Hey, last night, that was impressive to me.
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: 12 for 12.
[1:05:56] Speaker 9: That's the point of what he's saying.
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: You're a good free throw shooter.
[1:05:59] Speaker 4: That's why you have to do that.
[1:06:00] Speaker 2: It's not being contested. It's a free shot. It's a
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: free shot. No defense, bro. But how is he going
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: to get to the free throw line? What you mean?
[1:06:14] Speaker 8: By throwing the ball in there, turning like this, and
[1:06:16] Speaker 8: they're going to foul you.
[1:06:18] Speaker 4: They have to foul him.
[1:06:19] Speaker 8: Sometimes they're not, but sometimes they are.
[1:06:22] Speaker 4: That's part of the game.
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: He got because he's big. He's a big-ass 7'6 guy.
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: He got those calls because you have to foul him
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: when I do a spin move and I do this. Now,
[1:06:34] Speaker 2: that's all coming from the perimeter. No, it's not. He
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: was never on the block. So where is he getting
[1:06:40] Speaker 2: the foul?
[1:06:41] Speaker 4: Okay, he's on the perimeter, bro. He's driving the ball.
[1:06:45] Speaker 4: Outside the three-point line or inside?
[1:06:46] Speaker 8: He's inside the three-point line when he got that call.
[1:06:48] Speaker 4: That one call, he was inside the three-point line.
[1:06:50] Speaker 2: When he got that call. He's not getting none of those.
[1:06:56] Speaker 8: Fouls from playing on the block.
[1:06:58] Speaker 4: Dude, Harkison had.
[1:06:58] Speaker 8: That bullshit foul because he fouled him and he was
[1:07:00] Speaker 8: inside the paint.
[1:07:02] Speaker 4: All he had to do every time.
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: The Spurs don't teach me that. He's still underdeveloped.
[1:07:06] Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
[1:07:06] Speaker 4: It's an excuse.
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: Because, look, Mitch Johnson's offense is not a post, throw
[1:07:11] Speaker 2: it to Wimby in the post, throw it to Cornette
[1:07:14] Speaker 2: in the post.
[1:07:15] Speaker 4: We are a free-flowing five.
[1:07:17] Speaker 9: They do it more with Cornette than they do with Johnson.
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: Because Cornette is a traditional five. He's a traditional five.
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: I wish they went to him more in the post.
[1:07:26] Speaker 2: Is Wimmy the best player in the league, though?
[1:07:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what he said. You've got
[1:07:31] Speaker 4: to be accountable, right? He is accountable.
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: He is accountable.
[1:07:36] Speaker 8: Because like Gilvin said, if he plays closer to the basket,
[1:07:39] Speaker 8: he has more advantage.
[1:07:40] Speaker 2: But when he had 41 and 24, it was no
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: closer to the basket. I was hitting my shots. So
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: everybody wants to do the, like I said, it's a
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: lazy take to say that this nigga's a pro. He
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: averages 30.
[1:07:55] Speaker 9: But wait a second. He had 24 rebounds. Last night
[1:07:58] Speaker 9: he had six.
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: Do you know why? So let's break the game down
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: and talk about why. When you're in a rotation as wing,
[1:08:06] Speaker 2: our main focus is to bring him away from the basket. Why?
[1:08:13] Speaker 2: I'm a coach. We need to get Wimby, Rudy Gobert,
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: and all of these defensive bigs away from the basket.
[1:08:21] Speaker 2: So we have chance to do what? Offensive rebound. We
[1:08:25] Speaker 2: have chances because what is Wimby doing when he's not
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: in the paint? He's contesting three-pointers. That's harder to get
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: a rebound defensively when you're contesting three-pointers. These shots. Offensively,
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: what are they doing? Keeping his ass off the glass.
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: No second chance points for Wimby. So it's harder for
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: him to get those rebounds. One, being in a position
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: of rotation, getting your hand up to contest shots and
[1:08:49] Speaker 2: not being in defense position. That's one. Two, your guards
[1:08:53] Speaker 2: are taking quick shots before you even get down the floor.
[1:08:57] Speaker 2: All game long. So the three games are... he had
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: under 10 rebounds, he's caught in rotations, he's not getting
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: to the offensive glass, and he's getting tired from just
[1:09:08] Speaker 2: running down, they shoot a shot, and he has to
[1:09:10] Speaker 2: run back. He don't have those opportunities. That's the difference
[1:09:14] Speaker 2: I see. I don't know what y'all see, but I'm
[1:09:16] Speaker 2: watching the game from that assessment like, damn, Wimby, I
[1:09:19] Speaker 2: know you can get more rebounds.
[1:09:20] Speaker 9: You know what I saw in game one? I saw
[1:09:23] Speaker 9: him have to sit and watch Shea get that MVP trophy.
[1:09:27] Speaker 9: And he played possessed in game one. And he commanded
[1:09:31] Speaker 9: and owned the paint in game one. Every loose ball rebound,
[1:09:36] Speaker 9: he was just going to sky and snatch it out
[1:09:38] Speaker 9: of the sky. And you saw fire and desire that
[1:09:42] Speaker 9: you haven't consistently seen from him. And now I'm hearing
[1:09:46] Speaker 9: some of the other shows where they're saying, well, he's
[1:09:48] Speaker 9: running out of gas. I'm like, he's 22. He's not
[1:09:51] Speaker 9: running out of any gas. Come on, man.
[1:09:53] Speaker 4: 29 minutes per game in the regular season.
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: It's mental.
[1:09:56] Speaker 4: 49 minutes in game one.
[1:09:57] Speaker 2: Come on, man. So you go from 41, you go
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: from 25 to 10. To 16 shots, to 15 shots,
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: to 22 shots.
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: No more than 16 shots in the three games they've lost.
[1:10:09] Speaker 1: I think 22 and 25 shots in the two games
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: they've lost.
[1:10:11] Speaker 2: And he's playing bigger minutes except for that game where
[1:10:14] Speaker 2: he had 33 in the game win, 33 and 31 minutes. But,
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: I mean, the free throws are there except for in
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: game two. He's being aggressive. It's just like you said,
[1:10:24] Speaker 2: if you're going to put a negative on him for
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: the rebounds, I'm not going to make an excuse for that,
[1:10:31] Speaker 2: but I can see why it's happening. I can see
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: in the rotations, he's out of position to get the rebound.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: And when he comes out, Luke Cornett is not picking
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: up that slack. Nobody's picking up that slack. For OKC,
[1:10:44] Speaker 2: you got two guys that are not getting out to
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: the rotation because they're always inverted on the backside. One
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: or the other. So if Harkinstein doesn't get the rebound,
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: guess who's getting it?
[1:10:54] Speaker 4: Chet.
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: Chet not getting a rebound? Harkestan's getting it.
[1:10:57] Speaker 9: All right, so Rashad. So Nick is on record. You
[1:11:00] Speaker 9: have already said over in six, right?
[1:11:04] Speaker 4: It always comes back to this. So you know game one,
[1:11:07] Speaker 4: you know, Wimby only shot two threes.
[1:11:09] Speaker 9: Okay.
[1:11:10] Speaker 4: In game one?
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, right?
[1:11:12] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when he had 40.
[1:11:14] Speaker 9: Wait, he made the half-quarter.
[1:11:16] Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm saying his game, the way he played so well.
[1:11:19] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[1:11:21] Speaker 4: All his shots. All his shots was. Yeah, well, all
[1:11:24] Speaker 4: his shots.
[1:11:25] Speaker 9: No, he made the bomb in game one.
[1:11:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, the 40. Oh, that one.
[1:11:28] Speaker 2: Okay, that one.
[1:11:29] Speaker 4: He only took two threes in that game.
[1:11:31] Speaker 8: Yeah, everything was inside the paint.
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: And if not for that three, the series may be
[1:11:35] Speaker 1: over right now, but that's neither here nor there.
[1:11:37] Speaker 2: Game four when he took seven threes. Okay. He made three.
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: His game is too dependent on if he makes shots
[1:11:44] Speaker 3: from the three-point line. It's too hot and cold.
[1:11:46] Speaker 4: No, it's not.
[1:11:47] Speaker 3: No, if he's making shots, he's rebounding, playing well. If
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: he's missing shots, he just... That's just like.
[1:11:52] Speaker 2: With any player in the league. I need shape. Shea
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: Gilchrist Alexander went 0 for 8, went to the free
[1:11:59] Speaker 2: throw line, seen the ball go in a few times,
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: and got his rhythm back. Just like any player, I
[1:12:04] Speaker 2: just need the ball to go in from me shooting
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: the ball. He hit 12 for 12 from the free
[1:12:09] Speaker 2: throw line. But what he loves is to see that
[1:12:12] Speaker 2: three ball go in. So 0 for 5, he never
[1:12:16] Speaker 2: got that momentum. It's just like LeBron. We used to say,
[1:12:19] Speaker 2: don't let LeBron get dunks because that's how he gets
[1:12:22] Speaker 2: his momentum. Foul him on fast breaks. Don't let him
[1:12:25] Speaker 2: get a dunk because if he gets that dunk, bro,
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: it's over for you. Same with D-Wade. Don't put him
[1:12:31] Speaker 2: on the foul line because if he gets to the
[1:12:33] Speaker 2: free throw line, oh, shit. Don't let Melo hit his
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: first face-up jumper. They're going to get hot. Take them
[1:12:39] Speaker 2: out of their sweet spots. Take them out of their
[1:12:41] Speaker 2: comfort zones, and you're good. It so happened early on.
[1:12:45] Speaker 2: He could change the game in too many ways. He
[1:12:47] Speaker 2: just ain't learned it yet. He hasn't learned it. Everybody
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: goes crazy when he's like he's 30 years old already.
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: He's not Joker. He's not all these other guys that
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: have been able to polish their game and show up
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: and be able to say, I can make these.
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: We give him everything already. So you got to play
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: like that.
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: If he wants to be the MVP. But he's not
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: the MVP. But he's not. So he's not.
[1:13:11] Speaker 8: I feel like he has a great game.
[1:13:13] Speaker 4: I say he played like an MVP.
[1:13:14] Speaker 8: He should know all this already. He's still playing like
[1:13:19] Speaker 8: an MVP. That's what gets Wimby going. It's the defense end.
[1:13:22] Speaker 8: When he comes down and gets a block early, he
[1:13:24] Speaker 8: gets a rebound or something like that.
[1:13:26] Speaker 2: That's not what gets him going. He does this naturally.
[1:13:29] Speaker 4: Because that's what happens in game one.
[1:13:31] Speaker 3: It was the defense end.
[1:13:32] Speaker 2: He plays defense every game.
[1:13:35] Speaker 8: Well, and by the way, at 22 years old, LeBron
[1:13:37] Speaker 8: James was in the finals. So I'm just saying. So
[1:13:39] Speaker 8: since we talk about the best player.
[1:13:41] Speaker 9: Rashad, you had him as the MVP.
[1:13:43] Speaker 2: Right. And I still got him.
[1:13:45] Speaker 3: He's not ready yet.
[1:13:47] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:13:47] Speaker 3: That's what I've been saying.
[1:13:48] Speaker 2: So we got to stop this. We say he's not ready. Right.
[1:13:51] Speaker 4: We got to still playing at an MVP level.
[1:13:54] Speaker 2: He doesn't even if he's not ready to be the
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: MVP and he's playing at an MVP level. What does
[1:13:58] Speaker 2: that say about him? What does that say about you?
[1:14:02] Speaker 8: To be an MVP talk.
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: To not have your game be fully developed. And to
[1:14:10] Speaker 2: be able to say, man, he still has to add this, this,
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: and this to his game.
[1:14:14] Speaker 4: But why does he get excused?
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: He's averaging 30 right now.
[1:14:18] Speaker 4: But why are we giving.
[1:14:19] Speaker 3: Him an excuse?
[1:14:19] Speaker 2: We're not giving him an excuse. No, I'm not.
[1:14:21] Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: No, I'm doing the same thing y'all niggas did all year.
[1:14:26] Speaker 4: No, we did not.
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: Cooper Flack, he's only 18. He's only, what are you
[1:14:30] Speaker 2: talking about? It's all the shit you was saying the
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: whole year long. But what about his age? You and Gil,
[1:14:34] Speaker 2: sit up here, what about his age? Now it changes?
[1:14:38] Speaker 4: No, it doesn't change.
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: So what the fuck are we talking about then?
[1:14:40] Speaker 4: So then he's done.
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: So I'm saying the same shit you were saying two
[1:14:44] Speaker 2: months ago, making excuses about Cooper Flack. About Cooper Flack.
[1:14:47] Speaker 4: You're making excuses about him.
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: Now when we talk about win, you don't want to
[1:14:55] Speaker 2: make an excuse for him.
[1:14:56] Speaker 3: We talk about young players the whole time.
[1:14:58] Speaker 4: First of all, Cooper Flagg, Dallas wasn't even a contender.
[1:15:00] Speaker 8: Dallas wasn't even a contender.
[1:15:02] Speaker 4: Dallas wasn't even a contender this year. Come on.
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: Talk about all this age shit, but now we don't
[1:15:07] Speaker 2: want to talk about it. Dallas wasn't even a contender.
[1:15:17] Speaker 8: Dallas wasn't even a contender. Was Dallas a contender this year?
[1:15:22] Speaker 8: Nobody had Dallas doing anything. Your man is over here
[1:15:25] Speaker 8: 22 years old.
[1:15:27] Speaker 4: No, we did not. Did anybody have Dallas going to
[1:15:29] Speaker 4: the playoffs this year? No, we didn't.
[1:15:31] Speaker 8: Nobody had Dallas doing anything this year.
[1:15:33] Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
[1:15:34] Speaker 2: Come on, man. Tighten up.
[1:15:38] Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
[1:15:39] Speaker 2: Tighten up, man. Okay, did they? Come on, you just
[1:15:41] Speaker 2: got to be trying to argue and shit. Okay, did they?
[1:15:42] Speaker 3: Okay, did they?
[1:15:43] Speaker 4: Man, back it up.
[1:15:44] Speaker 2: Make it make sense.
[1:15:44] Speaker 4: Yes, they did.
[1:15:45] Speaker 2: Okay, did they make it? Come on, man. No, they didn't.
[1:15:47] Speaker 3: Injury.
[1:15:48] Speaker 2: Why?
[1:15:48] Speaker 4: Injury.
[1:15:49] Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
[1:15:50] Speaker 2: They were predicted to be there.
[1:15:51] Speaker 4: But did they get there?
[1:15:52] Speaker 3: They were with AD and I.
[1:15:53] Speaker 2: Because of what? With AD and I.
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: But the Lakers also had injuries, and I don't think
[1:15:57] Speaker 1: that was an excuse.
[1:15:58] Speaker 2: Who's the youngest team in the NBA? Okay. Youngest team
[1:16:02] Speaker 2: in the NBA is in the conference finals.
[1:16:04] Speaker 4: Huh?
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: Come on, man.
[1:16:06] Speaker 2: Who was the youngest team? Will we make an excuse
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: about their experience?
[1:16:08] Speaker 8: The youngest team in NBA last year won it. Yeah,
[1:16:10] Speaker 8: that's what I'm saying. Who was the youngest team last year?
[1:16:12] Speaker 2: Will we make an excuse about their experience?
[1:16:14] Speaker 8: Who was the youngest team last year? Because they was
[1:16:17] Speaker 8: the youngest team that won it ever.
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: Are we making excuses? You always make excuses. No, they're
[1:16:23] Speaker 2: not making excuses.
[1:16:24] Speaker 4: Ain't nobody off the hook.
[1:16:26] Speaker 1: There's much left to be played in this series. Sufficient
[1:16:28] Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals. 22 LeBron James did it.
[1:16:31] Speaker 4: For this particular day. He won it. He got there.
[1:16:34] Speaker 3: He won it.
[1:16:35] Speaker 4: He got there.
[1:16:35] Speaker 3: He got there.
[1:16:36] Speaker 4: Go ahead.
[1:16:37] Speaker 2: Go ahead.
[1:16:38] Speaker 9: I just want on the record. Are you guaranteeing game
[1:16:42] Speaker 9: six wins? I can't guarantee nothing.
[1:16:44] Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
[1:16:45] Speaker 3: I'm not Charles Barkley.
[1:16:49] Speaker 2: You did all that hoop talk for nothing. I'm not Charles,
[1:16:52] Speaker 2: because you didn't guarantee game five. No, you're not. You
[1:16:54] Speaker 2: didn't guarantee game five. You didn't guarantee game five, Skip.
[1:16:57] Speaker 9: But you guaranteed seven, and I guaranteed seven.
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: I guaranteed seven steals.
[1:17:00] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: Are you guaranteeing six in order to get pressure me
[1:17:04] Speaker 2: and you're not going to want to get pressured either.
[1:17:08] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:17:08] Speaker 9: I know what this team psyche is because I watched
[1:17:11] Speaker 9: it last year. Go to Denver in game six in
[1:17:15] Speaker 9: the playoffs last year. Remember, it's the second round of
[1:17:17] Speaker 9: the playoffs. They go to Denver in Game 6, and
[1:17:19] Speaker 9: they lose 125-93, and they come home for Game 7
[1:17:24] Speaker 9: and just blow them off the floor.
[1:17:26] Speaker 2: They play different at home, right?
[1:17:27] Speaker 9: That's what they do.
[1:17:28] Speaker 2: That's why it's a fearful thing to go back to
[1:17:30] Speaker 2: OKC Game 7.
[1:17:31] Speaker 9: In the finals last year, Indiana, Game 6 at Indiana,
[1:17:36] Speaker 9: they win 103-91. Oklahoma City scored 91 points in that game.
[1:17:41] Speaker 9: And they came home, and I know that Halliburton tore
[1:17:44] Speaker 9: his Achilles, but still, they blew him off the floor
[1:17:46] Speaker 9: in game seven. They're hard to deal with on that
[1:17:49] Speaker 9: floor in front of those fans.
[1:17:51] Speaker 2: Why you think I said seven? Why you think I
[1:17:54] Speaker 2: said seven? That's why I know. I know if we
[1:17:57] Speaker 2: push him to seven, the only chance we got is
[1:18:00] Speaker 2: to shock the world. We can shock the world in seven.
[1:18:04] Speaker 2: Any other ordeal, I'm looking at it like they're a
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: tough team to fucking beat. They're not no fucking easy
[1:18:09] Speaker 2: team to beat. They're a tough team to beat. And
[1:18:12] Speaker 2: we are the youngest team in the league. We have
[1:18:14] Speaker 2: no experience. We're not supposed to be here. On paper,
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: you have a better team right now. But we have
[1:18:20] Speaker 2: no experience. That don't mean nothing.
[1:18:24] Speaker 4: That's another excuse.
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an excuse.
[1:18:27] Speaker 4: I'm not doing excuses.
[1:18:28] Speaker 2: Woo! Woo!
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: Not doing the excuses. Game six coming up on Thursday.
[1:18:36] Speaker 1: We will find out if the Spurs keep their season
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: alive or if they will be in Cancun with other changes.
[1:18:42] Speaker 2: Listen, y'all tried 3-0-1.
[1:18:45] Speaker 3: Nah, you lost that one, buddy.
[1:18:46] Speaker 2: Good try.
[1:18:47] Speaker 4: Hey, hey.
[1:18:48] Speaker 2: Good try. Go back to the zen.
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: Let's keep this thing moving. So on Sunday before Game
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: 4 of the Western Conference Finals, the NBA announced the
[1:18:58] Speaker 1: all-NBA teams for this season. Let's take a look. We
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: start with the first team. SGA and Jokic were the
[1:19:07] Speaker 1: only unanimous first team selection receiving all 100 first team votes.
[1:19:12] Speaker 1: It was Shea's four straight first team selection, Joker's eight
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: straight All-NBA selection. It's the longest active streak in the
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: league currently. Wimby made his first All-NBA team coming one
[1:19:22] Speaker 1: vote shy of a unanimous selection. Alien, as we've mentioned,
[1:19:25] Speaker 1: were the unanimous defensive player of the year. First team
[1:19:28] Speaker 1: all defensive pick as well. Luka and Cade Cunningham rounded
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: out the first team after being granted extraordinary circumstances exceptions
[1:19:36] Speaker 1: to the 65-game minimum. Now let's shift over to the
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: second team, which was led by Jalen Brown, who made
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: his second All-NBA team, was beat out by Cade Cunningham
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: for the final spot on the first team. Joining him
[1:19:49] Speaker 1: on the second team were Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Jalen Brunson,
[1:19:53] Speaker 1: and Donovan Mitchell. It was KD's 12th career All-NBA selection,
[1:19:57] Speaker 1: first player in history to make All-NBA with five different teams.
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: And now let's shift over to the third team. As
[1:20:04] Speaker 1: you can see, none of these gentlemen got any first
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: place votes, but the third team featured five newcomers, Tyrese Maxey,
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: Jamal Murray, Jalen Johnson, Jalen Duren, and Chet Holmgren. Each
[1:20:16] Speaker 1: made their first All-NBA team. Chet Joyce win me as
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: the only players to make both an All-NBA and All-Defensive team.
[1:20:22] Speaker 1: So we see the three different teams individually. Let's take
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: a look at how the voting panned out collectively on
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: this list. A lot to digest here. But as we
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: look at these results for all the NBA, I don't
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: have my reading glasses, but I can make out some
[1:20:38] Speaker 1: of the big words. Skip, we'll start with you. Did
[1:20:41] Speaker 1: the voters get the all-NBA teams right?
[1:20:44] Speaker 2: No.
[1:20:46] Speaker 9: As soon as I saw it, I immediately tweeted that
[1:20:49] Speaker 9: Jalen Brown should have been first team in place of Luka.
[1:20:53] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:20:54] Speaker 9: Jalen Brown had a career year in every statistical category,
[1:20:58] Speaker 9: and when Jason Tatum returned... I thought prematurely, shockingly, but
[1:21:04] Speaker 9: when he returned, Jalen Brown had the Celtics in their
[1:21:08] Speaker 9: gap year, quote-unquote, at 44-21. He did that flying solo,
[1:21:16] Speaker 9: and this is a regular season award, and I don't know, statistically, Luca,
[1:21:22] Speaker 9: I've said this again and again, he's the most inefficient
[1:21:25] Speaker 9: player in the league. It's hard to win with him.
[1:21:28] Speaker 9: I know the Lakers got on a roll, but He
[1:21:31] Speaker 9: led the league in turnovers per game. He led the
[1:21:33] Speaker 9: league in shots attempted, three-point shots attempted. He got to
[1:21:37] Speaker 9: the free throw line more than even SGA got to
[1:21:39] Speaker 9: the free throw line. And he's an average at best
[1:21:43] Speaker 9: three-point shooter and free throw shooter. And it just doesn't
[1:21:46] Speaker 9: add up to me. I thought Jalen Brown did more
[1:21:49] Speaker 9: during the regular season than Luka did and deserved first team.
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: Spraggy, as you look at these all-NBA teams, Do you
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: agree with Skip saying that Jalen Brown deserved to get
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: the nod?
[1:22:03] Speaker 3: For sure. This is media bias to me. Jalen Brown
[1:22:08] Speaker 3: deserved to be first team. Just the fact that these
[1:22:12] Speaker 3: guys didn't even play 65 games and they still make
[1:22:18] Speaker 3: first team. You got guys like Ant-Man because the media
[1:22:21] Speaker 3: don't like certain ways he can't be in this category.
[1:22:25] Speaker 2: His extraordinary circumstances request was denied. Denied.
[1:22:30] Speaker 3: It's got to be something to it.
[1:22:31] Speaker 2: Was K short?
[1:22:32] Speaker 3: K was short?
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: K was a bleep.
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: Both of them got it, but Ant-Man didn't.
[1:22:37] Speaker 4: I think K had like 53 eligible games.
[1:22:39] Speaker 3: It shows who really runs things. Jalen Brown been balling
[1:22:44] Speaker 3: all year. Now, you know, both two-way player, team that
[1:22:51] Speaker 3: wasn't even supposed to be in the lottery this year
[1:22:54] Speaker 3: made it to the second team that was second in
[1:22:58] Speaker 3: the East. Did everything he could. When you fight against
[1:23:05] Speaker 3: Stephen A, you get second team.
[1:23:08] Speaker 4: You believe Jalen Brown a victim of media?
[1:23:10] Speaker 3: Stephen A showed his power to me right here. This
[1:23:14] Speaker 3: is what this means.
[1:23:15] Speaker 4: Stephen A, Stephen B, and Stephen C, perhaps.
[1:23:17] Speaker 2: All three of them.
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: All three of them show their power.
[1:23:21] Speaker 4: Josh Smith might have been making some call.
[1:23:22] Speaker 2: You don't know. If you don't do all 65 games,
[1:23:27] Speaker 2: you shouldn't be first. Stop blaming Stephen A, B, and C, man.
[1:23:31] Speaker 2: It ain't his fault, man.
[1:23:33] Speaker 3: You shouldn't be on first team if you don't make it.
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: The exception should be you either make second or third
[1:23:39] Speaker 3: if you don't do all 65.
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: Oh, it's automatic. You know first team.
[1:23:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, that should be the exception.
[1:23:46] Speaker 1: And you can't... So if you don't hit the 65,
[1:23:48] Speaker 1: but you get the extraordinary certainties, I was going to
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: ask you that. She was eligible for all NBA, but
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: not for.
[1:23:53] Speaker 2: Give the guys that did it.
[1:23:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:23:55] Speaker 2: I would put Brunson and Jalen Brown.
[1:23:57] Speaker 4: Yes, for sure.
[1:23:58] Speaker 2: First team.
[1:23:59] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:24:00] Speaker 2: I would say those. This is crazy, man. And.
[1:24:03] Speaker 4: You got to do it for everybody.
[1:24:05] Speaker 2: I put Maxie up to second team.
[1:24:06] Speaker 3: I want to know what makes them be like.
[1:24:07] Speaker 4: Kade and Luka.
[1:24:08] Speaker 9: Okay, Kade and Luka.
[1:24:10] Speaker 4: Drop them down to second team.
[1:24:11] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:24:11] Speaker 2: Because of the extreme circumstances. Jalen played. Jalen played.
[1:24:15] Speaker 3: Jalen played.
[1:24:16] Speaker 2: Jalen, both Jalen's played very, very well this year. They
[1:24:21] Speaker 2: are deserving. I'm not saying Luke and Cade are not deserving.
[1:24:25] Speaker 2: They play well, too. They play very well. Piss is
[1:24:29] Speaker 2: top seed in the league. Very well. But he didn't finish.
[1:24:32] Speaker 4: The rules are the rules. The rules are the rules.
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: They followed the rules and adhered to them and got
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: the exception granted.
[1:24:37] Speaker 2: But the fact that you had to foul knowing that
[1:24:40] Speaker 2: you did load manage during the season, you did set
[1:24:44] Speaker 2: out certain games. Cade had the collapsed lung actually came
[1:24:47] Speaker 2: back earlier than expected.
[1:24:49] Speaker 3: But what makes people be like, These two deserve it,
[1:24:52] Speaker 3: and Ant-Man can't get the exception.
[1:24:54] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:24:54] Speaker 3: I don't know. How does that work?
[1:24:57] Speaker 2: Because Ant-Man deserves second, third team. For sure.
[1:25:00] Speaker 3: Put him on third team.
[1:25:01] Speaker 2: For sure. Over Chet, for sure. Chet, I don't know.
[1:25:05] Speaker 2: I'm not going to say he's not deserving. He played...
[1:25:07] Speaker 2: the way he needed to play to get acknowledged. But
[1:25:11] Speaker 2: Danny Ivea played very well this year. If I had
[1:25:15] Speaker 2: to put somebody in place of him, it would be him.
[1:25:17] Speaker 9: But you know what about Chet? Seriously, against everybody but Wimby,
[1:25:22] Speaker 9: he's an all-star.
[1:25:23] Speaker 2: No, seriously. He played well.
[1:25:25] Speaker 9: Like, he'll play big against other teams.
[1:25:27] Speaker 2: But all-star, are you top 15 in the league? Yeah,
[1:25:30] Speaker 2: a lot of.
[1:25:30] Speaker 3: These guys wouldn't be in there if it wasn't for that.
[1:25:32] Speaker 4: Made the all-star team.
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: I'm saying, he's an all-star, but are you top 15
[1:25:36] Speaker 2: in the league? And we're saying, oh, man, you're one
[1:25:38] Speaker 2: of them. It's tough. It's tough.
[1:25:41] Speaker 3: If you know he would have been an all-ABA team, too.
[1:25:45] Speaker 2: Did Jalen Durden deserve it after what he did in
[1:25:48] Speaker 2: the playoffs? I mean, regular season. I know. I know.
[1:25:51] Speaker 2: So that's what we're saying as far as what you did, Chet,
[1:25:54] Speaker 2: what you did during the season.
[1:25:55] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[1:25:56] Speaker 2: Everybody except for Wimby played well.
[1:25:57] Speaker 9: But what Chet did against Phoenix in the playoffs and
[1:26:00] Speaker 9: even against your Lakers, he played big.
[1:26:03] Speaker 2: Played well. Seriously.
[1:26:04] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. I probably would have put Brown on third team.
[1:26:08] Speaker 5: Would you?
[1:26:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:26:09] Speaker 4: Brown not eligible.
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: Did not get his extraordinary circumstances granted, even though he
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: was old and had sciaticus.
[1:26:15] Speaker 4: Did not.
[1:26:17] Speaker 2: Sciaticus. Multiple sciaticus.
[1:26:21] Speaker 4: I'm definitely taking Luka out the first team. I'm putting
[1:26:23] Speaker 4: Jalen Brown there.
[1:26:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
[1:26:25] Speaker 4: Luka led the league in scoring. Yeah, that's fine.
[1:26:28] Speaker 3: That's all he did.
[1:26:29] Speaker 4: Slovenian Jesus.
[1:26:29] Speaker 3: Everybody talk about his defense.
[1:26:30] Speaker 4: Because I got somebody else that was playing both sides
[1:26:32] Speaker 4: of it.
[1:26:32] Speaker 1: Family man went to Slovenia for the birth of his daughter,
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: which is why he Missed the game that would have
[1:26:37] Speaker 1: made him eligible.
[1:26:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, Ant-Man missing from this list, man.
[1:26:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, this is crazy.
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: Highest point per game scoring in March as well, just
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: in case you guys care.
[1:26:46] Speaker 2: 15-2. Hey, Denny needs some shout-out too, man.
[1:26:50] Speaker 3: He played very, very well this year.
[1:26:52] Speaker 4: Danny Abdi or Scottie Ball?
[1:26:53] Speaker 2: Danny Abdi, Portland. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He played very well.
[1:26:57] Speaker 2: Next year, young fella. What you guys think?
[1:27:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they got it right. I can't really.
[1:27:08] Speaker 4: Got it right by and large. I mean, Jokic, I mean.
[1:27:11] Speaker 2: We were a six-way first team. Kawhi played pretty big.
[1:27:15] Speaker 2: Kawhi balled out.
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: Kawhi balled out.
[1:27:18] Speaker 2: First year, he actually made it all the way through.
[1:27:22] Speaker 2: Showed great promise. So who would you take off and
[1:27:26] Speaker 2: put Ant-Man on for? Chet?
[1:27:29] Speaker 3: You would say Chet? Mm-hmm.
[1:27:32] Speaker 4: Oh, man. I can't say Chet because he's the one.
[1:27:35] Speaker 3: I'd take Murray off, yeah.
[1:27:37] Speaker 4: He's going to get in because it's going to have
[1:27:38] Speaker 4: to be like Jamal Murray.
[1:27:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say Murray or Jalen.
[1:27:42] Speaker 4: Jamal Murray, though, very, very impressive season.
[1:27:45] Speaker 2: What are Ant-Man's numbers? He was fourth or fifth in
[1:27:49] Speaker 2: the season.
[1:27:49] Speaker 8: Wasn't eligible, though. He probably would have made it had
[1:27:51] Speaker 8: he been. I mean, Chess, like what, 17 points? I'll
[1:27:54] Speaker 8: take Jamal Murray.
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: So Ant-Man averaged 29 in five seasons, but only played
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: 61 games.
[1:28:01] Speaker 4: Oh, so my bad story? No, I would take Kevin
[1:28:03] Speaker 4: Durant off and put Kevin Durant 13th.
[1:28:05] Speaker 2: 13th Kevin Durant? Kevin Durant averaged 26th. Kevin Durant averaged 26th, 6th,
[1:28:08] Speaker 2: and 5 assists.
[1:28:11] Speaker 4: And Donovan averaged like 28th.
[1:28:13] Speaker 2: 52-41, 87th.
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: I averaged like 28th.
[1:28:13] Speaker 2: Brunson averaged like 28th. Maxie averaged like 28.
[1:28:28] Speaker 3: I'll take KD off. I'll put KD on 13.
[1:28:34] Speaker 4: And then put Ant on the second.
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, Ant averaging 29 is insane.
[1:28:39] Speaker 3: Ant not.
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: Come on, man. That's insane.
[1:28:40] Speaker 3: How many games did Luka play?
[1:28:42] Speaker 2: 63. Yeah, 63 or 64, I believe.
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: That's crazy.
[1:28:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, Ant man got to go second team.
[1:28:48] Speaker 4: That's crazy. Luka, 64 games, averaged 34, 8 assists, 8 rebounds. 34,
[1:28:51] Speaker 4: 8 rebounds?
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: Nasty work. But if he does meet the criteria, he
[1:29:03] Speaker 2: got to be first team.
[1:29:08] Speaker 8: I'm still taking him out for Jalen Brown, though, just
[1:29:10] Speaker 8: because of what he did.
[1:29:12] Speaker 2: I'm taking Cade. I already said this. I said, you
[1:29:14] Speaker 2: leave Luka. You got to leave Luka because he led
[1:29:16] Speaker 2: the league.
[1:29:17] Speaker 3: And I'm like, Cade.
[1:29:20] Speaker 2: Even though he had a great year leading his team,
[1:29:23] Speaker 2: he did not play better basketball than Jalen Brown.
[1:29:25] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:29:25] Speaker 2: Jalen played better basketball.
[1:29:27] Speaker 4: No, but K played better basketball than Luka, though. I
[1:29:32] Speaker 4: get the 34.
[1:29:33] Speaker 2: It wasn't just 34. It was 8 and 7.
[1:29:36] Speaker 4: I get that, but I got... I'm number one. I'm
[1:29:39] Speaker 4: number one and they didn't even have us.
[1:29:42] Speaker 2: Like I said, we're not talking about the team's success.
[1:29:43] Speaker 2: We're just talking about playing.
[1:29:44] Speaker 3: Why is Wimby in there then?
[1:29:45] Speaker 2: He played great basketball.
[1:29:47] Speaker 4: 24!
[1:29:52] Speaker 2: He was a unanimous defensive player.
[1:29:54] Speaker 3: But he averaged 24 in the list.
[1:29:56] Speaker 2: He averaged 24. Talk about points, bro.
[1:29:59] Speaker 4: K didn't play great basketball.
[1:30:01] Speaker 3: 8 and 7. Victor averaged 24 and what? 8? 12.
[1:30:05] Speaker 3: 24 and 12? 24, 12, and 5 or something. 5
[1:30:08] Speaker 3: and 3?
[1:30:08] Speaker 4: Wait, K didn't play great basketball? Not better.
[1:30:14] Speaker 2: I say he didn't play better basketball than Jalen Brown.
[1:30:17] Speaker 4: He played better basketball than Luka, though.
[1:30:18] Speaker 2: I don't think so.
[1:30:19] Speaker 3: Is Wimmy then hype himself up towards the end? Is
[1:30:22] Speaker 3: Wimmy then hype himself up towards the end? He should
[1:30:25] Speaker 3: be second team.
[1:30:26] Speaker 2: Second team?
[1:30:27] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:30:27] Speaker 2: You stand on that?
[1:30:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:30:28] Speaker 2: You just want to sound crazy.
[1:30:29] Speaker 3: No, I feel like Kade.
[1:30:30] Speaker 2: You sound crazy. Kade had a better year. You're dumb, bro.
[1:30:33] Speaker 2: Number one.
[1:30:34] Speaker 4: I mean.
[1:30:34] Speaker 2: How about Victor? The alien.
[1:30:37] Speaker 3: Wimmy got a way better team than Detroit.
[1:30:39] Speaker 2: But who's better? Who's better than Wimby, Nicola, and Shea? Look,
[1:30:44] Speaker 2: it says 99, bro.
[1:30:45] Speaker 3: That's hype, man. We hyping this man, bro.
[1:30:48] Speaker 2: So what is the 100 and 100? Is Joker hype?
[1:30:51] Speaker 3: No, we haven't.
[1:30:52] Speaker 2: That's proven.
[1:30:52] Speaker 4: No, that's proven.
[1:30:53] Speaker 3: This is one year of him doing it.
[1:30:55] Speaker 4: This is hype, bro.
[1:30:56] Speaker 2: He averaged the same amount for three years straight.
[1:30:59] Speaker 3: This is hype, bro.
[1:31:00] Speaker 2: What are you talking about? What are you talking about, bro?
[1:31:04] Speaker 3: Three years straight. It's still 24.
[1:31:07] Speaker 2: So because it's 24. Compared to everybody else's numbers, you
[1:31:11] Speaker 2: got 34, you got... Who else up there is unanimous
[1:31:16] Speaker 2: defensive player of the year, bro? Who else up there
[1:31:20] Speaker 2: is unanimous defensive player of the year?
[1:31:22] Speaker 4: What are you talking about? Both sides of the ball, bro.
[1:31:26] Speaker 2: You just said Jalen Brown deserves because he played both
[1:31:29] Speaker 2: sides of the ball.
[1:31:30] Speaker 9: I do.
[1:31:30] Speaker 4: I believe it, yeah.
[1:31:31] Speaker 2: Cade Cunningham played both sides of the ball. What the
[1:31:34] Speaker 2: hell are you saying about Victor? You're just going to
[1:31:36] Speaker 2: surpass that part? So what? None of them were unanimous
[1:31:41] Speaker 2: defensive player of the year. For the first time ever.
[1:31:45] Speaker 2: First time ever, bro.
[1:31:47] Speaker 4: Hey, I ain't going to front. I'm surprised Wimby didn't
[1:31:48] Speaker 4: get 100. Me too. He's the one dude. I think
[1:31:52] Speaker 4: Justin Tremendous.
[1:31:53] Speaker 3: That's hype.
[1:31:54] Speaker 2: I seen the clip, but I didn't listen to it.
[1:31:56] Speaker 2: I didn't want to hear it.
[1:31:57] Speaker 4: Oh, I'm like, because I don't know why he got 99.
[1:31:59] Speaker 4: That's hype. No, no, no, no.
[1:32:02] Speaker 2: Xenophobia.
[1:32:03] Speaker 4: I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to
[1:32:05] Speaker 4: do that. Wimpy had a crazy regular season.
[1:32:08] Speaker 2: Crazy, man. He played well.
[1:32:09] Speaker 4: Played good basketball.
[1:32:11] Speaker 2: I give him that.
[1:32:12] Speaker 4: He turned that shit around.
[1:32:13] Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Cade didn't play good basketball. When
[1:32:15] Speaker 2: you say he played better than Luka and all, it's
[1:32:18] Speaker 2: like Jalen Brown assessing that whole season. He played great basketball.
[1:32:23] Speaker 8: But Cade kept it there. with nobody else that can score.
[1:32:27] Speaker 2: I get it.
[1:32:27] Speaker 4: Like nothing.
[1:32:28] Speaker 2: Not taking anything away from them. And they both play
[1:32:30] Speaker 2: both sides of the ball, all of that. But you
[1:32:34] Speaker 2: can't top 35 points a game, eight rebounds, seven assists.
[1:32:38] Speaker 4: And your team is in fifth.
[1:32:40] Speaker 2: Fourth.
[1:32:41] Speaker 3: Fourth.
[1:32:42] Speaker 2: In the tough west.
[1:32:43] Speaker 4: In the very tough west.
[1:32:45] Speaker 2: Very tough west. And you're Luka. And you have a
[1:32:47] Speaker 2: history of doing this. You've been in five straight All-NBAs.
[1:32:52] Speaker 9: But the problem with Luka, Luka... leads the league by
[1:32:56] Speaker 9: far in usage rate. So he's just going to have
[1:32:58] Speaker 9: the ball dribble and dribble and dribble. So the numbers
[1:33:01] Speaker 9: are just going to go up and up and up.
[1:33:03] Speaker 2: How many point guards have high usage rate? Jalen Brunson,
[1:33:06] Speaker 2: Tyrese Maxey, Donovan Mitchell. There's a lot of ball hosts.
[1:33:11] Speaker 9: Luka is far and away the most.
[1:33:13] Speaker 4: 100%.
[1:33:13] Speaker 2: It's the Lakers. It's the Lake Show. You have to.
[1:33:15] Speaker 4: You get it.
[1:33:17] Speaker 9: And Luka can be a liability on defense.
[1:33:20] Speaker 2: He can, or is. Which, why his offensive numbers overshadow
[1:33:25] Speaker 2: his defensive performances. Same with Joker.
[1:33:29] Speaker 9: Okay, but Cade leads his team to win the East
[1:33:32] Speaker 9: by four games. That's pretty impressive to me.
[1:33:34] Speaker 4: It is.
[1:33:35] Speaker 2: It is. I'm not going to lie. It is. But
[1:33:38] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown did the impossible.
[1:33:41] Speaker 4: Yeah, but you just said Jalen Brown played better than Luka.
[1:33:44] Speaker 2: He played better basketball than both of them, K and Luka.
[1:33:47] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:33:49] Speaker 2: K and Luka. He played better basketball.
[1:33:52] Speaker 3: It was number two, too.
[1:33:53] Speaker 2: I'm not taking K off.
[1:33:54] Speaker 4: Yep.
[1:33:55] Speaker 8: Number two. It's hard to stay number one with that team.
[1:33:57] Speaker 8: And then we saw them in the playoffs.
[1:33:58] Speaker 4: They still struggled, dog. Like, K over there just, man.
[1:34:02] Speaker 2: That's what I was waiting for him to take it over.
[1:34:04] Speaker 2: Take it over the top so it can be undeniable
[1:34:07] Speaker 2: for me.
[1:34:07] Speaker 4: What do you mean? When?
[1:34:08] Speaker 2: Because you've been doing it all season. You was four
[1:34:10] Speaker 2: games over in the East leading everybody.
[1:34:12] Speaker 3: I got hurt.
[1:34:13] Speaker 9: Boom.
[1:34:14] Speaker 2: Now you get to the playoffs and you can't do
[1:34:17] Speaker 2: what you was doing during the season.
[1:34:19] Speaker 3: Well, who did that, though? Fucking Luka. I mean, Joker
[1:34:23] Speaker 3: got put out first round.
[1:34:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, but who? Like you just asked, who's doing that?
[1:34:26] Speaker 2: There's only two teams left.
[1:34:28] Speaker 4: But K wouldn't do that against Orlando? What's happening?
[1:34:33] Speaker 2: Did you win the series?
[1:34:35] Speaker 4: Yes, he beat Orlando.
[1:34:36] Speaker 2: And then you lost to who?
[1:34:37] Speaker 4: And then we lost in seven.
[1:34:39] Speaker 2: To the Cavs.
[1:34:40] Speaker 4: Yeah, to the Cavs.
[1:34:40] Speaker 2: Right, so you didn't get it. You didn't take it
[1:34:42] Speaker 2: over the top.
[1:34:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
[1:34:44] Speaker 2: If Cade was still playing right now.
[1:34:46] Speaker 3: So if Victor lose, he didn't take it over the top?
[1:34:49] Speaker 2: No, he didn't take it over the top. Of course not.
[1:34:51] Speaker 8: I know, so what did I got to do with
[1:34:52] Speaker 8: Cade still being there? Because Jalen Brown didn't. Cade 28
[1:34:55] Speaker 8: and 8.
[1:34:58] Speaker 4: Come on.
[1:34:59] Speaker 2: We already had this conversation.
[1:35:01] Speaker 4: We know that.
[1:35:02] Speaker 2: His great basketball stopped.
[1:35:05] Speaker 4: We cannot do those excuses.
[1:35:08] Speaker 2: I'm not giving it.
[1:35:09] Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
[1:35:10] Speaker 2: He was playing great basketball up until the playoffs. Jalen Brown.
[1:35:15] Speaker 2: He was playing great basketball.
[1:35:17] Speaker 8: Jason Taylor was playing good.
[1:35:21] Speaker 2: Up until game five. We was lobbying for Jalen Brown. Yeah.
[1:35:25] Speaker 2: And MVP.
[1:35:26] Speaker 4: No, facts, facts, facts.
[1:35:27] Speaker 2: So KK was in there, but then he dropped off.
[1:35:30] Speaker 4: That's all, Stephen. He dropped.
[1:35:32] Speaker 2: But this is before the lung thing happened.
[1:35:34] Speaker 3: He dropped. If you didn't get into it with Stephen A.,
[1:35:36] Speaker 3: Jalen Brown would be on there.
[1:35:37] Speaker 4: No, that was after.
[1:35:38] Speaker 8: No, it was after, for sure. He got into it after.
[1:35:42] Speaker 8: They just did this on Monday. No, the boat's been in. Yeah,
[1:35:46] Speaker 8: the boat's.
[1:35:47] Speaker 2: Been in a long time.
[1:35:50] Speaker 4: The boat's submitted right after playing.
[1:35:54] Speaker 1: The league's slowly releasing the various teams and winners to
[1:35:59] Speaker 1: build up.
[1:35:59] Speaker 3: You don't think somebody can say, man, you better change
[1:36:01] Speaker 3: that shit or it's over?
[1:36:03] Speaker 4: No. No, they can't do that.
[1:36:05] Speaker 2: Y'all starting shit. The League of Integrity.
[1:36:08] Speaker 3: Y'all crazy if you think that can't happen.
[1:36:11] Speaker 2: Can't happen, man. Can't happen, man. He did it before.
[1:36:15] Speaker 3: He did it before.
[1:36:17] Speaker 2: You're trying to get LeBron changed, but LeBron.
[1:36:21] Speaker 3: Was too powerful.
[1:36:25] Speaker 4: He had that one vote for LeBron.
[1:36:27] Speaker 2: Sorry. Yeah.
[1:36:28] Speaker 4: Allegations. Yeah. Go ahead.
[1:36:36] Speaker 2: I'm surprised Donovan Mitchell got a first-place vote. No, he
[1:36:40] Speaker 2: was hoping.
[1:36:41] Speaker 4: He was hoping.
[1:36:42] Speaker 2: Not for first team.
[1:36:44] Speaker 3: Damn, Bronson didn't get one vote.
[1:36:46] Speaker 2: Bronson didn't get one. I think Bronson was better.
[1:36:50] Speaker 4: Nah, but you know what happened? I told you.
[1:36:51] Speaker 8: I just told y'all after the cup game. Remember they
[1:36:54] Speaker 8: had that stretch where it was looking.
[1:36:56] Speaker 4: Oh, they had looked real bad. Remember, it looked so
[1:36:58] Speaker 4: bad to where they was going to have to make
[1:36:59] Speaker 4: a change.
[1:37:01] Speaker 9: Hey, if Steve and I controlled this, Jalen Brunson would be.
[1:37:04] Speaker 2: On the first team. He would be in the first
[1:37:06] Speaker 2: team for sure. For sure. Howard Wendell. See, a cat
[1:37:09] Speaker 2: would probably be in there. Third team instead of Chet. Damn,
[1:37:12] Speaker 2: Tal's not even. Meow.
[1:37:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, what about Tal?
[1:37:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, Tal should be.
[1:37:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. What was his numbers? Is his numbers
[1:37:20] Speaker 2: better than Chet's?
[1:37:22] Speaker 4: I mean, Chet's the lowest, right? 17.
[1:37:25] Speaker 2: Cat averaged 20. 12.
[1:37:27] Speaker 3: No Devin Booker. 30,000 games to start.
[1:37:29] Speaker 2: 20 and 12. Wait, wait, 20 and 12?
[1:37:30] Speaker 4: 20 and 12.
[1:37:32] Speaker 3: Shooting what?
[1:37:32] Speaker 4: 50% from the field, 37%.
[1:37:33] Speaker 1: Ooh. 86% from the free throw.
[1:37:37] Speaker 4: Nah, Cat should be on here.
[1:37:38] Speaker 2: Real numbers right there.
[1:37:39] Speaker 4: Cat should be on here.
[1:37:40] Speaker 8: And he had to take a roll that he wasn't
[1:37:41] Speaker 8: comfortable with.
[1:37:42] Speaker 2: What happened to Devin Booker? Devin Booker didn't make. Chet
[1:37:45] Speaker 2: was averaging 17 and 9. I think Devin Booker was eligible.
[1:37:47] Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
[1:37:48] Speaker 4: He's a superstar, Brandon.
[1:37:49] Speaker 9: Okay, but Chet had the second most blocks. And it
[1:37:52] Speaker 9: wasn't close to what Wimby had, but he is the
[1:37:54] Speaker 9: second best shot blocker.
[1:37:55] Speaker 2: Are we saying defense mattered with this book? Yes.
[1:37:58] Speaker 3: All right.
[1:37:59] Speaker 2: Makes sense. Makes sense. And their number one team. You
[1:38:03] Speaker 2: need to replace that second option. Yep.
[1:38:06] Speaker 3: How many games they play?
[1:38:09] Speaker 2: Is Jalen Johnson deserving? Had a very good year.
[1:38:16] Speaker 4: No, I'll take him off for Cat.
[1:38:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's too young.
[1:38:20] Speaker 4: I'm giving Cat that.
[1:38:21] Speaker 2: 22, 10, and 8. Yeah, but Cat 20 and 12 and. 22, 10,
[1:38:23] Speaker 2: and 8.
[1:38:23] Speaker 4: Oh, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. it again.
[1:38:31] Speaker 2: 22, 10 rebounds and 8 assists. Oh, never mind.
[1:38:36] Speaker 4: On 49%.
[1:38:36] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. And it was the fifth seed, right?
[1:38:39] Speaker 2: Atlanta? No, no.
[1:38:40] Speaker 4: They was in the playing.
[1:38:41] Speaker 2: They was playing?
[1:38:42] Speaker 3: No, Atlanta played New York.
[1:38:43] Speaker 2: No, I think they were. No, they were. No, no, no.
[1:38:46] Speaker 2: You're right.
[1:38:46] Speaker 4: No, he's in there.
[1:38:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in there. He got that.
[1:38:48] Speaker 4: Crazy.
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: All right, well, let's talk about something else we talked
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: about after that, or throughout that Pistons series after it
[1:38:54] Speaker 1: came to a close. So Jalen Duren made his first
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: All-NBA team, which means he's now eligible to sign a
[1:38:59] Speaker 1: five-year Supermax with the Pistons worth $ 287 million. So Duren
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: averaged 20 points and 11 rebounds while shooting 65% from
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: the field during the regular season, but those numbers dropped
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: in the playoffs. He put up 10 points, 9 rebounds
[1:39:13] Speaker 1: on 51% shooting in the postseason.
[1:39:15] Speaker 4: Pistons had a minus.
[1:39:16] Speaker 1: 3 net rating when he played And we're plus 7.8
[1:39:20] Speaker 1: with him on the bench. So in his end-of-year interview,
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: Piston's president of basketball ops, Trajan Langdon, had this to
[1:39:27] Speaker 1: say about Durant's future with his team. He said, We
[1:39:29] Speaker 1: look forward to coming together with his representation, getting a
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: deal done, and for him continuing to be a Piston.
[1:39:35] Speaker 1: Langdon was also asked if Durant's postseason performance would impact
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: his extension and said, We'll talk about that for sure.
[1:39:42] Speaker 4: So....
[1:39:45] Speaker 3: Shall we?
[1:39:45] Speaker 4: We'll start with you. I remember him. From Duke. Yeah.
[1:39:49] Speaker 4: The Alaskan assassin. Yeah.
[1:39:50] Speaker 2: Alaskan assassin.
[1:39:52] Speaker 4: Anchorage East.
[1:39:53] Speaker 9: Man.
[1:39:54] Speaker 1: Alaskan light-skinnedness. Started that movement. Should the Pistons Carlos Boozer follow.
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: But should the Pistons give Jalen during the Supermax?
[1:40:04] Speaker 2: Should they?
[1:40:05] Speaker 1: He's now eligible. All-NBA team. Third team All-NBA. They're talking
[1:40:09] Speaker 1: with his representation.
[1:40:11] Speaker 3: He deserve it. He deserve it.
[1:40:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't take them. You know what? One thing
[1:40:15] Speaker 2: to watch the motherfucker money, but it's another thing to
[1:40:18] Speaker 2: say he's not deserving putting the work in that he did,
[1:40:22] Speaker 2: especially the last two seasons growing with the team and
[1:40:25] Speaker 2: all of that. I mean, everybody's out there trying to
[1:40:29] Speaker 2: get the money. So now that he got it, the
[1:40:32] Speaker 2: only difference now is what you're going to do after
[1:40:34] Speaker 2: you get the money. Are you going to play like
[1:40:36] Speaker 2: he played in the playoffs? That's something that you can't
[1:40:39] Speaker 2: really have as an expectation because he did get exposed.
[1:40:44] Speaker 2: So right now The Pistons have to assess whether or
[1:40:47] Speaker 2: not we're going to get the Jalen Durden from the
[1:40:50] Speaker 2: regular season or the Jalen Durden from the playoffs. Who
[1:40:54] Speaker 2: are we paying? And you're not going to know that
[1:40:57] Speaker 2: until after you pay him. So that's like paying AD
[1:41:01] Speaker 2: that $ 250 you pay him. And I said, damn, y'all
[1:41:04] Speaker 2: know that he ain't going to come back being the
[1:41:05] Speaker 2: AD y'all paying. He literally can sit back and go
[1:41:08] Speaker 2: fishing every day and be like, shit, I'm deserving of this.
[1:41:11] Speaker 2: I played well the last three years to earn this.
[1:41:14] Speaker 2: I'm going to get this money. I'm going to take
[1:41:15] Speaker 2: a break.
[1:41:16] Speaker 3: Start doing punk.
[1:41:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, start doing punk. And now he just took a break.
[1:41:21] Speaker 2: This motherfucker ain't even in the gym no more.
[1:41:23] Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
[1:41:24] Speaker 3: I just.
[1:41:25] Speaker 2: I'm just saying. So right now it's like when you give.
[1:41:28] Speaker 2: You're supposed to do that show. You give guys this
[1:41:30] Speaker 2: much money. The prank show.
[1:41:31] Speaker 4: I'm supposed to do it against Gil.
[1:41:33] Speaker 2: What you going to do after you get done? The
[1:41:34] Speaker 2: Anthony Davis?
[1:41:35] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:41:35] Speaker 1: That's why you reveal the information. We still could have
[1:41:37] Speaker 1: that episode cracking.
[1:41:40] Speaker 4: Nah.
[1:41:43] Speaker 2: He deserve it, though. Yeah, I think he deserve it.
[1:41:46] Speaker 1: Mr. B, former Piston, Jalen Dern, 22 years old, had
[1:41:50] Speaker 1: a great regular season, made his first All-NBA team, eligible
[1:41:53] Speaker 1: now for that five-year Supermax, worth nearly $ 290 million.
[1:41:57] Speaker 4: Is he deserving of it? I mean, by the rules, yeah.
[1:42:03] Speaker 8: If I'm Detroit Pistons, we're going to have to have
[1:42:06] Speaker 8: some conversations because I think in history, I think he
[1:42:10] Speaker 8: had one of the biggest drop-offs going from 19 points
[1:42:14] Speaker 8: to 10 points in the playoffs, and if I'm going
[1:42:16] Speaker 8: to pay this guy max money like that, you're already
[1:42:19] Speaker 8: showing me who you are when we need you the most.
[1:42:24] Speaker 8: I just feel like if you're going to pay guys,
[1:42:27] Speaker 8: I get we're going to pay guys for 82 games
[1:42:29] Speaker 8: and what they do, but a lot of that should
[1:42:33] Speaker 8: be held accountable to what you do in the playoffs, too,
[1:42:35] Speaker 8: because that's where your money is made. I know they're
[1:42:38] Speaker 8: going to pay them, but For me, it's going to
[1:42:40] Speaker 8: have to be some type of writing in there or
[1:42:42] Speaker 8: something because I'm a dude. It's the biggest drop-off we've
[1:42:46] Speaker 8: ever seen from any superstar, like from any all-star player.
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: What did he do last year in the playoffs?
[1:42:50] Speaker 2: Huh?
[1:42:50] Speaker 3: What did he do last year in the playoffs?
[1:42:51] Speaker 8: I don't know, but he went from 19 to 10
[1:42:53] Speaker 8: points in the playoffs, and that's disgusting. So they're just
[1:42:58] Speaker 8: going to have to figure it out. But, yeah, I mean,
[1:43:00] Speaker 8: you got to pay him because of what he did
[1:43:01] Speaker 8: for 82 games, but.
[1:43:04] Speaker 4: If I'm Detroit, we got to write something.
[1:43:06] Speaker 1: He averaged 12 and 11 in the playoff last year
[1:43:09] Speaker 1: at 21 years old, but shot 65% from the field.
[1:43:12] Speaker 2: Being consistent. Huh? 12 and 10.
[1:43:18] Speaker 4: 12 and 11 last season. 12 and 11, 10.
[1:43:20] Speaker 2: His first postseason. Being consistent in the playoff.
[1:43:22] Speaker 4: Being consistently bad.
[1:43:24] Speaker 2: Been consistent to him. That was good. Two points more. Yeah,
[1:43:28] Speaker 2: two points more to him last year.
[1:43:29] Speaker 3: That's the big thing for Detroit.
[1:43:31] Speaker 4: He had 12 to first and now 10.
[1:43:32] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He's consistent. So he's down. Still
[1:43:35] Speaker 2: in the same range. Don't expect too much from me
[1:43:37] Speaker 2: when playoffs come around. That's what I'm going to give you.
[1:43:41] Speaker 7: No.
[1:43:42] Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to give you. No. Get you
[1:43:44] Speaker 2: a good third leg that's going to come in here
[1:43:46] Speaker 2: and do some more shit. Tobias, watch out. We've paid
[1:43:48] Speaker 2: you enough. That's not a good backup. I hope you
[1:43:50] Speaker 2: got somebody good.
[1:43:53] Speaker 3: That's what it is.
[1:43:55] Speaker 1: So Skip, this whole Jalen Dern situation, well for a Supermax,
[1:43:59] Speaker 1: obviously Pistons fans may feel a certain way about it,
[1:44:02] Speaker 1: but 20 and 11, 65% shooting the regular season did
[1:44:07] Speaker 1: have the playoff drop off, but do you think?
[1:44:11] Speaker 9: If they don't pay him, somebody else will. And he's
[1:44:16] Speaker 9: still a baby to me, but he's a baby bull.
[1:44:20] Speaker 9: And he's a load. And I get what Brandon is
[1:44:23] Speaker 9: saying because that's just scary bad drop. Like that's just frightening.
[1:44:28] Speaker 9: Like it just scares you to the bottom of your
[1:44:32] Speaker 9: soul if you're sitting upstairs in Detroit saying, God, are
[1:44:35] Speaker 9: we going to risk this? But I just don't know
[1:44:38] Speaker 9: how you don't risk it. I just think you have
[1:44:42] Speaker 9: to hope that he grows into his body sort of,
[1:44:47] Speaker 9: you know, psychologically he just grows into his because it's
[1:44:52] Speaker 9: big potential. And I've watched him a lot in the
[1:44:56] Speaker 9: regular season, and there are nights when I think he's
[1:44:59] Speaker 9: going to be really good, like has potential to be
[1:45:03] Speaker 9: an all-star at some point. But I can't defend what
[1:45:08] Speaker 9: you're talking about. And I watched every one of those
[1:45:11] Speaker 9: games against Cleveland, and we're talking about Cade, and they
[1:45:15] Speaker 9: had a home game seven, and they just didn't show up.
[1:45:19] Speaker 9: against James Harden, who also didn't show up, but they
[1:45:22] Speaker 9: showed up less than James Harden did. I don't know
[1:45:25] Speaker 9: how you do that, but it's one of those close
[1:45:30] Speaker 9: your eyes and pay him, I think. Can you get
[1:45:34] Speaker 9: him for a little bit less? But he's eligible for
[1:45:38] Speaker 9: the max, and I just think you don't want to
[1:45:41] Speaker 9: let him go. You don't want to let him hit
[1:45:43] Speaker 9: the market.
[1:45:45] Speaker 2: As an assessment. You've been around the game long enough
[1:45:48] Speaker 2: to be able to compare him to someone. Who would
[1:45:51] Speaker 2: you compare him to, potential-wise?
[1:45:55] Speaker 4: Ben Wallace.
[1:45:56] Speaker 9: It's the classic NBA body. Who did you play with
[1:46:00] Speaker 9: who just was born with an NBA body where you
[1:46:03] Speaker 9: can't teach it or coach it? And he can play
[1:46:06] Speaker 9: with it, too. He can flex it and flaunt it.
[1:46:10] Speaker 4: Antonio McCoy.
[1:46:12] Speaker 2: I don't like McDyche because he can shoot it. I'm
[1:46:15] Speaker 2: thinking Ben Wallace.
[1:46:17] Speaker 3: Ben Wallace.
[1:46:18] Speaker 4: No, wait. Antonio Davis. Is that?
[1:46:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, he was big body, but they were more brutes
[1:46:25] Speaker 2: than He got some type of skill down there. I
[1:46:32] Speaker 2: don't want to say I want to say Kevin Willis.
[1:46:35] Speaker 9: Yeah, now you're going way back.
[1:46:38] Speaker 2: Ben Wallace, Theo Ratliff.
[1:46:40] Speaker 4: What about Alonzo Mourning?
[1:46:41] Speaker 9: I like Theo Ratliff.
[1:46:42] Speaker 2: I like Theo a lot. Yeah, that's a good one. Alonzo.
[1:46:45] Speaker 2: Later in the age, Alonzo. Later in the age, Alonzo?
[1:46:49] Speaker 4: You say he can score, though, right?
[1:46:52] Speaker 2: You say he can score.
[1:46:53] Speaker 4: He can score.
[1:46:55] Speaker 2: He's averaging 20.
[1:46:56] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[1:46:57] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:46:57] Speaker 9: 6'10. 6'10.
[1:46:58] Speaker 3: 6'10. You got to pay him, though. In the NBA
[1:47:01] Speaker 3: where the bigs are not like, it's not a big
[1:47:05] Speaker 3: league and you need guys that strong to move their
[1:47:07] Speaker 3: feet that could guard certain players, like a joker, or
[1:47:11] Speaker 3: try to keep up with guys like this. There's only
[1:47:14] Speaker 3: a handful of good bigs in the NBA, and if
[1:47:17] Speaker 3: you find one, I feel like you got to pay them. Also,
[1:47:22] Speaker 3: they're paying guys like Austin Reeves that messed up in
[1:47:26] Speaker 3: the playoffs. You got James Harden and all these type
[1:47:29] Speaker 3: of guys that mess up. It happens. I think you
[1:47:32] Speaker 3: learn from it.
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: Austin Reeves has not been paid yet, though, Swaggy. But
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: they're still talking about paying him.
[1:47:37] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:47:38] Speaker 3: His numbers didn't go down. I mean, his numbers went down,
[1:47:41] Speaker 3: but his money didn't go down yet. So I think
[1:47:46] Speaker 3: you pay him. He's a big body. I think you
[1:47:50] Speaker 3: just got to figure out what to do with the
[1:47:51] Speaker 3: other guys. I think you keep him. I think right
[1:47:54] Speaker 3: now I would say he's for sure top 15 big
[1:47:59] Speaker 3: in the league.
[1:48:01] Speaker 1: Top 10. He's a top 15 player in the league. Well,
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: he's top 15. But yeah, I would say top 10.
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: And if you're a top 10 big, you got to
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: put your money in. You don't want nobody else.
[1:48:14] Speaker 4: It ain't hard to be.
[1:48:16] Speaker 3: Top 10 big ain't hard to be.
[1:48:17] Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying.
[1:48:19] Speaker 3: When you find one of them.
[1:48:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't teach big.
[1:48:21] Speaker 3: You can't teach that.
[1:48:23] Speaker 9: Like Oakley, Mahorn, those guys, but they had nasty in
[1:48:27] Speaker 9: them that I don't yet see in this kid. They
[1:48:31] Speaker 9: were enforcers and he's got an enforcer's body without the fuel,
[1:48:36] Speaker 9: the rocket fuel to it. Like Like Oakley and Mahorn,
[1:48:40] Speaker 9: you just didn't mess with them. Nobody messed with them.
[1:48:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're talking about guys getting 20 a game, right?
[1:48:47] Speaker 2: So if you're getting 20 in a game and you
[1:48:49] Speaker 2: got this type of body type. Yeah, you're getting 20
[1:48:51] Speaker 2: off of just work. Yeah, just bully.
[1:48:54] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:48:55] Speaker 2: Straight, brute bully.
[1:48:56] Speaker 4: It's hard to say who to compare him to.
[1:48:58] Speaker 3: What about the guy who.
[1:48:59] Speaker 2: Sits over there a lot, right? Kenyon?
[1:49:02] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:49:04] Speaker 2: Well, he didn't have the body type. Kenyon was the jumper.
[1:49:07] Speaker 2: He'd leap and jump.
[1:49:08] Speaker 9: But he played strong, man.
[1:49:10] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. Maybe like a Nene.
[1:49:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's... Oh, God.
[1:49:16] Speaker 2: Nene was good, strong as fuck.
[1:49:19] Speaker 3: I was about to say DeAndre Jordan, but he ain't
[1:49:21] Speaker 3: bouncy like that.
[1:49:22] Speaker 2: Al didn't have that body.
[1:49:24] Speaker 4: Al didn't have that body.
[1:49:27] Speaker 2: Because he's strong, big, strong. It's not too many guys
[1:49:32] Speaker 2: that was big, strong, average.
[1:49:33] Speaker 4: Besides Ben Wallace to me.
[1:49:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben didn't average 20.
[1:49:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[1:49:39] Speaker 4: I don't think he's compared to anybody. This is a
[1:49:41] Speaker 4: new breed. He is. And you got a lot of
[1:49:44] Speaker 4: young bigs.
[1:49:44] Speaker 2: And it's our expectation of him, too.
[1:49:46] Speaker 3: You got a lot of young bigs coming in, though.
[1:49:49] Speaker 2: 22 years old. They're only 22, Swag. 20 and 10.
[1:49:54] Speaker 2: You ain't no Zach Randolph or no Mark Gasol.
[1:49:57] Speaker 3: I don't want you to do all that soft stuff
[1:49:58] Speaker 3: to me.
[1:49:59] Speaker 2: But still, I mean, 22 has a lot of layers
[1:50:01] Speaker 2: he can add to his game. I mean, we got
[1:50:03] Speaker 2: to keep coming back to Steel.
[1:50:05] Speaker 4: You can't.
[1:50:05] Speaker 3: But you need to punish people.
[1:50:07] Speaker 4: Mr. B, you said one guy at 22? Do some shots.
[1:50:09] Speaker 2: That's true.
[1:50:09] Speaker 4: Just turn in the shot.
[1:50:10] Speaker 3: They not even teach.
[1:50:10] Speaker 5: You can't teach that shit.
[1:50:12] Speaker 3: Dwight was one of them, yeah, but.
[1:50:18] Speaker 2: You can't teach that. Dwight came in from high school
[1:50:21] Speaker 2: doing that shit.
[1:50:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, he did.
[1:50:23] Speaker 4: He was special.
[1:50:23] Speaker 3: But he got stronger, too, though.
[1:50:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was special with knowing how to do
[1:50:28] Speaker 2: it without having you be able to teach it. Shaq
[1:50:31] Speaker 2: was the same. This is Neon Bordeaux. If you don't
[1:50:35] Speaker 2: know who Neon Bordeaux is, go watch. Blue Chips.
[1:50:39] Speaker 4: Very prized recruit from Algiers, Louisiana.
[1:50:41] Speaker 3: They ain't just throwing it down there for you.
[1:50:44] Speaker 2: Right, it's not. And that's why he's not thriving the way.
[1:50:47] Speaker 2: We want him to shoot that mid-range. That's the Antonio
[1:50:51] Speaker 2: McDyess that I'm thinking of that he could be like.
[1:50:54] Speaker 2: But he don't have that I'm going to catch it
[1:50:56] Speaker 2: and shoot it confidence. He don't have that I got this.
[1:51:00] Speaker 2: It's wide open. You got to guard me.
[1:51:02] Speaker 9: You mentioned Dwight Howard. He was only 6'10, but he
[1:51:04] Speaker 9: had shoulders.
[1:51:05] Speaker 2: Oh, man. Man child. Man child. And he had some
[1:51:10] Speaker 2: moves down there. He did. Spin moves. He can dribble.
[1:51:13] Speaker 4: Carl Malone.
[1:51:14] Speaker 9: Carl Malone?
[1:51:15] Speaker 3: I mean, shit. That's a buff man, too.
[1:51:17] Speaker 2: I mean, you're saying, like. But Carl had that jump shot, though.
[1:51:19] Speaker 3: Carl, pick and roll, pick and pop.
[1:51:21] Speaker 4: He can get that.
[1:51:22] Speaker 2: He need to work on that. He work on that.
[1:51:24] Speaker 2: There ain't going to ever be no 10 points in
[1:51:26] Speaker 2: the playoffs.
[1:51:27] Speaker 3: But it's hard.
[1:51:28] Speaker 2: You're too buff. What's not? You're too buff. He got
[1:51:30] Speaker 2: the fucking wrist. You got to work on your touch.
[1:51:32] Speaker 8: Did you see how buff Carl Malone was? He was
[1:51:35] Speaker 8: the mailman. Out there hitting 12-15. That's as you got older, though.
[1:51:39] Speaker 8: He didn't come in that big.
[1:51:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't come in that big.
[1:51:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't come in.
[1:51:44] Speaker 4: He looked the size, though. But what I'm saying is
[1:51:47] Speaker 4: he got even bigger and was still hitting that 12-15.
[1:51:50] Speaker 3: Because he already had touch. He already had it coming in.
[1:51:54] Speaker 4: He 22?
[1:51:54] Speaker 3: Even if you get bigger with touch, that's like Wimby.
[1:51:57] Speaker 2: He don't get bigger. What do you call it? Like
[1:51:59] Speaker 2: a freak.
[1:52:00] Speaker 4: Yeah, the Greek freak.
[1:52:00] Speaker 3: They got bigger.
[1:52:02] Speaker 2: But Greek didn't have no touch when he came in,
[1:52:04] Speaker 2: which is why he don't got touch now. So Wimby
[1:52:06] Speaker 2: going to get bigger and he going to keep his touch.
[1:52:08] Speaker 2: I know what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. I
[1:52:10] Speaker 2: know what you're saying. So it's harder to teach the
[1:52:11] Speaker 2: touch as you get more muscle. Yeah. Because you're trying
[1:52:14] Speaker 2: to adjust how to do certain shit.
[1:52:17] Speaker 8: But listen, since we're talking about it, this summer then
[1:52:20] Speaker 8: when he gets paid, that's what he needs to go
[1:52:21] Speaker 8: do then. Like he needs to go shoot a thousand
[1:52:23] Speaker 8: touch shots from 12 to 15 feet. Like if that's,
[1:52:26] Speaker 8: if that's the case, then so go start now. Like
[1:52:29] Speaker 8: you're about to get paid. We already know what you
[1:52:31] Speaker 8: can do.
[1:52:31] Speaker 2: You got to hit this shot.
[1:52:32] Speaker 4: You got to hit this shot for us to be
[1:52:34] Speaker 4: able to give you a.
[1:52:34] Speaker 3: Pay somebody like you to come off the pink and roll.
[1:52:37] Speaker 8: No, I'm not doing, I'm not doing none of that shit.
[1:52:39] Speaker 4: I'm on a golf course. You Detroit.
[1:52:45] Speaker 8: I'm on a golf course.
[1:52:46] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:52:47] Speaker 1: So last thing we'll discuss for today. So we look
[1:52:49] Speaker 1: at those All-NBA teams, one name missing from the list,
[1:52:52] Speaker 1: LeBron James, who did not make an All-NBA team for
[1:52:54] Speaker 1: the first time since 2005, snapping a streak of 21
[1:52:58] Speaker 1: straight All-NBA selection. No other players made All-NBA more than
[1:53:02] Speaker 1: 15 straight times with Kareem, Kobe, and Tim Duncan all
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: tied for that second longest streak. So, Mr. B, when
[1:53:07] Speaker 1: you look at what LeBron was able to accomplish, you
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: talked about going to the finals at 22 years old.
[1:53:12] Speaker 1: Last time he did not make an All-NBA team, 2005,
[1:53:15] Speaker 1: we were still wearing 5X Pro Clubs at that point
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: in life.
[1:53:18] Speaker 9: Yes.
[1:53:18] Speaker 1: Sidekicks, all those things going on. How impressive was LeBron's
[1:53:22] Speaker 1: streak of 21 straight All-NBA team?
[1:53:24] Speaker 2: Couldn't help himself, Skip. He had to ask this question.
[1:53:27] Speaker 2: It's historic. They just bombarded us with this shit all
[1:53:33] Speaker 2: of a sudden. We've heard about epic failures. Go ahead,
[1:53:35] Speaker 2: go ahead, man. Let's just celebrate more of him.
[1:53:38] Speaker 4: No, it's incredible. It's incredible. I mean, for the run
[1:53:41] Speaker 4: that he's had 21 years.
[1:53:43] Speaker 1: He hasn't made it since 2004 was the last time
[1:53:46] Speaker 1: he did not make an All-NBA team.
[1:53:48] Speaker 4: A long run, decades.
[1:53:51] Speaker 8: We was on his couch, and we were talking about
[1:53:53] Speaker 8: his stunt, and Miami was a failure, which is crazy
[1:53:57] Speaker 8: because that means a lot of people's careers, all of
[1:53:59] Speaker 8: our careers or whatever is failures. But just the consistency
[1:54:04] Speaker 8: and his will and, man, just his body. I mean,
[1:54:08] Speaker 8: I can't really explain it. It's something we've never seen.
[1:54:10] Speaker 8: So it was just amazing just to see and just
[1:54:12] Speaker 8: salute to him.
[1:54:15] Speaker 4: Swaggy, let's move over to you. I appreciate her greatness.
[1:54:19] Speaker 2: Oh, man. It's unbelievable what he's did. You just got activated.
[1:54:24] Speaker 2: It seems like you just got activated. Oh, my God.
[1:54:27] Speaker 2: Go ahead. What's that button?
[1:54:31] Speaker 3: He deserves to be all NBA first team with what
[1:54:35] Speaker 3: he's did this year. Playoffs, you see what he did?
[1:54:40] Speaker 4: In the postseason. Definitely make the all-playoff team.
[1:54:42] Speaker 2: Think about it.
[1:54:42] Speaker 4: Look at Marcus Smart.
[1:54:44] Speaker 3: Jackson Hayes.
[1:54:47] Speaker 4: A series win over the Rockets.
[1:54:50] Speaker 3: Shout out to my Shaolin homie.
[1:54:53] Speaker 4: From Japan.
[1:54:54] Speaker 2: That's why I said Shaolin.
[1:54:59] Speaker 4: He's not a triad. Shaolin temples are in China.
[1:55:02] Speaker 2: But think about it. Look at that team.
[1:55:06] Speaker 3: I'm going to say it again. LeBron James as the leader.
[1:55:10] Speaker 3: 41 years old. LeBron 41.
[1:55:13] Speaker 4: Accountable.
[1:55:14] Speaker 2: Luke Kinnar.
[1:55:17] Speaker 3: Marcus Smart, Jackson Hayes, Oxy Hayes, Bootsy Collins.
[1:55:24] Speaker 2: Bootsy Collins. He trying to name the Funkadelic, but he
[1:55:28] Speaker 2: don't remember all their names.
[1:55:32] Speaker 3: Coming off the bench, you got Jake.
[1:55:37] Speaker 4: You got, who else we had?
[1:55:39] Speaker 2: Who else we had? See, y'all, you don't even know.
[1:55:42] Speaker 4: But that's, yeah. Bronny. A testament.
[1:55:43] Speaker 3: Bronny James had to play for the men's. And they
[1:55:46] Speaker 3: beat Houston Rockets. With all they man. He made KD quit.
[1:55:54] Speaker 3: Can I confirm or deny that? A close to full
[1:55:57] Speaker 3: strength adjacent Houston Rockets squad. Yeah, he deserves to be
[1:56:01] Speaker 3: all NBA. Good things Jordan couldn't do with the Wizards.
[1:56:04] Speaker 3: Went to the playoffs.
[1:56:07] Speaker 4: Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Because what was Mike doing?
[1:56:12] Speaker 2: Oh, he was golfing. He was learning how to golf.
[1:56:14] Speaker 3: He was thinking of... New Jordan shoes to come out.
[1:56:17] Speaker 3: I think that was around what? That was Jordan 27
[1:56:20] Speaker 3: around that time? Something like that. He had nothing but time.
[1:56:26] Speaker 3: That's why them shoes was ass then. After 21, them
[1:56:28] Speaker 3: shoes started getting trashed. They just start back getting good
[1:56:34] Speaker 3: at 40 because.
[1:56:35] Speaker 4: He mad at LeBron. So he's like, shit, I got to.
[1:56:37] Speaker 3: Make something good to fuck with LeBron. So I'm just
[1:56:41] Speaker 3: going to make some shoes. What? That's good. What are
[1:56:44] Speaker 3: you talking about?
[1:56:46] Speaker 4: I'm just rambling.
[1:56:48] Speaker 2: The Jordan 1s are still better than anything. These are
[1:56:53] Speaker 2: the first ones.
[1:56:54] Speaker 3: It's like a classic shoe. That's like good.
[1:56:57] Speaker 2: Why do you keep putting them out 40 years later?
[1:56:59] Speaker 1: Now let's move on to our two biggest Bron supporters
[1:57:01] Speaker 1: on this couch shot.
[1:57:02] Speaker 4: I know deep down you love LeBron.
[1:57:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:57:05] Speaker 4: Ebony and ivory together, a perfect harmony.
[1:57:07] Speaker 1: Rashad, how impressive is LeBron's streak of 21 straight All-NBA teams?
[1:57:13] Speaker 1: When you look back at history, no other player has
[1:57:16] Speaker 1: done it more than 15 times.
[1:57:17] Speaker 3: Oh, that was the question?
[1:57:19] Speaker 2: That was. Oh, my bad.
[1:57:21] Speaker 4: I just heard Brian. I didn't come up with it.
[1:57:23] Speaker 3: I just started talking good about Brian because I heard Brian.
[1:57:27] Speaker 3: My bad.
[1:57:30] Speaker 2: Let me think. Do I want motherfuckers to attack me
[1:57:33] Speaker 2: after this show or not? Yes. Black SUVs?
[1:57:37] Speaker 3: No, Brandon. Stop gassing him to say stuff.
[1:57:41] Speaker 4: No, I want him to be... He's cemetery. Put people
[1:57:46] Speaker 4: in the back. If it ain't impressive, say it. A
[1:57:49] Speaker 4: doctor with a PhD. It's hard to impress this brother.
[1:57:52] Speaker 4: He's impressive. Not impressed by much.
[1:57:54] Speaker 3: He's impressive.
[1:57:55] Speaker 4: It's impressive.
[1:57:56] Speaker 2: To get some good tips. Smoke, yeah, two decades. Right there,
[1:58:01] Speaker 2: there it go, right there.
[1:58:02] Speaker 8: Smoke!
[1:58:02] Speaker 4: I don't know how to do it. Okay.
[1:58:04] Speaker 2: Dubs in the chat!
[1:58:08] Speaker 3: Ain't that what the kids say?
[1:58:09] Speaker 9: Dubs in the chat!
[1:58:12] Speaker 4: A smoke machine currently dealing with something. Damn.
[1:58:17] Speaker 2: Go ahead.
[1:58:19] Speaker 3: Come on.
[1:58:19] Speaker 4: It's spreading out.
[1:58:20] Speaker 3: This smoke is for you.
[1:58:22] Speaker 2: It's my smoke?
[1:58:22] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:58:23] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, we celebrating somebody.
[1:58:25] Speaker 3: Let's go.
[1:58:26] Speaker 2: It's on you. Let's go.
[1:58:28] Speaker 3: Give me your flowers.
[1:58:29] Speaker 2: I'm giving somebody else flowers. I don't need flowers. We
[1:58:32] Speaker 2: got the smoke on you.
[1:58:32] Speaker 3: Let's go. The smoke is all gravitated towards y'all.
[1:58:37] Speaker 4: What's going on?
[1:58:38] Speaker 2: Is it going now, going to me? Yeah, let's go,
[1:58:40] Speaker 2: let's go, let's go, yeah. Naturally going to.
[1:58:42] Speaker 4: Me, huh?
[1:58:43] Speaker 2: Please do not dunk this movie like Whitney. I'm naturally
[1:58:45] Speaker 2: on fire all the time, huh? Goddamn.
[1:58:48] Speaker 4: Let's go, here we go.
[1:58:48] Speaker 2: I didn't ask for this type of shit. You're going
[1:58:50] Speaker 2: to go cook. No, I mean, yeah, it's, listen, it's historic, man.
[1:58:54] Speaker 2: We ain't seen nothing like this since the other guys
[1:58:58] Speaker 2: who've done it before him, which were Kobe, Kareem. I've
[1:59:01] Speaker 2: never seen that. Who was the other guy? Tim Duncan.
[1:59:05] Speaker 2: These are the guys that were in that same breath.
[1:59:08] Speaker 2: So why not join the Mount Rushmore? I think that's
[1:59:14] Speaker 2: where he belongs. He's put in the work. He's done
[1:59:19] Speaker 2: all the things that we thought that he couldn't do.
[1:59:23] Speaker 2: Made it to the finals ten times and won four
[1:59:27] Speaker 2: of them. And I mean, what more can you ask for?
[1:59:33] Speaker 5: Eight straight.
[1:59:34] Speaker 4: Say eight straight finals.
[1:59:35] Speaker 2: Eight straight finals.
[1:59:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, say that.
[1:59:37] Speaker 2: Was accountable at 22. And my high school man was
[1:59:41] Speaker 2: the man.
[1:59:41] Speaker 3: He was the man.
[1:59:42] Speaker 2: He was the man, homie.
[1:59:44] Speaker 3: Still the man.
[1:59:45] Speaker 2: In high school, he was the man, homie.
[1:59:47] Speaker 4: He still is.
[1:59:48] Speaker 2: He still are.
[1:59:49] Speaker 4: That was just crazy.
[1:59:50] Speaker 2: No, he definitely deserved everything, man. I'm just waiting for
[1:59:53] Speaker 2: this shit to be over with. Wait for this shit
[1:59:57] Speaker 2: to be over with. It's like Fast and the Furious.
[2:00:01] Speaker 2: It's like, God damn, we got another one. Ben Diesel.
[2:00:05] Speaker 4: They said the same thing about Jay-Z. Just keep going.
[2:00:08] Speaker 2: That car's still moving, Ben Diesel. Kobe, 15.
[2:00:11] Speaker 3: Tim Duncan, 15. Shaq, 14.
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: So, Bron, 21.7 assists. Six rebounds this season. But, Skip,
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: let's move on to you.
[2:00:17] Speaker 2: No, MJ.
[2:00:18] Speaker 1: Skip, you've documented the epic failure before I sat on
[2:00:20] Speaker 1: this couch and had to listen to that.
[2:00:22] Speaker 9: Just because I'm in a really good mood today, this
[2:00:25] Speaker 9: is for Nick and Josiah. LeBron James is the longevity goat.
[2:00:31] Speaker 9: That's what he is. He's not the goat goat, but
[2:00:33] Speaker 9: he is the longevity goat.
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: Our editors can clip that the way we need to
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: to push the narrative that we want.
[2:00:43] Speaker 2: We can't even see each other.
[2:00:44] Speaker 9: Because We have never, ever seen a more durable superstar
[2:00:50] Speaker 9: in any sport. And he has been the most blessed
[2:00:54] Speaker 9: athlete ever as far as, and I'm knocking on wood
[2:00:57] Speaker 9: because I don't even like to bring it up, but
[2:00:58] Speaker 9: it's just astounding, staggering, astonishing. He's never had a surgery,
[2:01:04] Speaker 9: not a single knee or Achilles or shoulder or elbow.
[2:01:09] Speaker 9: He's had nothing.
[2:01:10] Speaker 3: Keep going, Skip.
[2:01:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, he had some cramps. He had a couple cramps.
[2:01:14] Speaker 2: Keep going, Skip.
[2:01:15] Speaker 4: They did have to cut the air conditioning.
[2:01:16] Speaker 2: Keep going, Skip.
[2:01:17] Speaker 4: Keep going, man.
[2:01:18] Speaker 2: That's shit. He had to get some electrolytes a couple times.
[2:01:21] Speaker 4: Go ahead, Skip.
[2:01:22] Speaker 9: In that game, what was it, game one at San
[2:01:26] Speaker 9: Antonio in 2014. He was the only one who cramped.
[2:01:30] Speaker 9: I don't know why.
[2:01:31] Speaker 4: The only elite athlete.
[2:01:32] Speaker 2: That's the kryptonite.
[2:01:33] Speaker 4: It's the kryptonite.
[2:01:34] Speaker 3: Kryptonite.
[2:01:35] Speaker 9: But the point is, he did have the greatest age
[2:01:38] Speaker 9: 41 season ever, and it ain't even close. It's just
[2:01:42] Speaker 9: because nobody's ever even gotten close to what he did.
[2:01:47] Speaker 3: I thought I'd never see this day.
[2:01:48] Speaker 9: This year, and I assume we're going to see him
[2:01:50] Speaker 9: for at least one more, and I wouldn't be surprised
[2:01:52] Speaker 9: if we see him for two more. I would not
[2:01:54] Speaker 9: at all be surprised.
[2:01:55] Speaker 4: Don't know where we'll see him yet, Skip, but we
[2:01:57] Speaker 4: will see.
[2:01:58] Speaker 3: Skip needs two more years, LeBron. That's what he's saying.
[2:02:01] Speaker 3: He needs two more years to hate.
[2:02:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Shit, why not? Shit, you going to play,
[2:02:06] Speaker 2: we going to hate. Skip, that was beautiful, man.
[2:02:07] Speaker 3: That was very beautiful.
[2:02:09] Speaker 4: Very eloquent. Very well spoken.
[2:02:12] Speaker 2: Skip, that was god damn. Hey, let's give it up, man.
[2:02:14] Speaker 2: Let's go, Skip.
[2:02:15] Speaker 3: That's what we do.
[2:02:17] Speaker 4: Almost made me cry, man. It did make me cry.
[2:02:21] Speaker 2: All that damn hate. I'm crying inside, man. Shit, long awaited.
[2:02:27] Speaker 2: We have done it.
[2:02:28] Speaker 4: We have done it at last.
[2:02:30] Speaker 3: That's what we got to end on that.
[2:02:31] Speaker 1: We don't have to end on that. We appreciate those
[2:02:34] Speaker 1: kind words, Sean. Appreciate those kind words as well. LeBron,
[2:02:36] Speaker 1: if you're watching, appreciate you as well.
[2:02:38] Speaker 2: He is tuned in. We know you're watching, but pretending
[2:02:43] Speaker 2: not to watch.
[2:02:43] Speaker 4: He is tuned in.
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: But shout out to everybody oh wait one more thing
[2:02:47] Speaker 1: before we go I'm sorry we got to show the
[2:02:49] Speaker 1: updated playoff leaderboard oh yeah I gotta be one shout
[2:02:53] Speaker 1: out to our friends over at underdog Powered by underdogs
[2:02:58] Speaker 1: prediction markers.
[2:02:58] Speaker 8: Listen, I have more. Listen, I played more than everybody. So,
[2:03:02] Speaker 8: of course, my score going to look like that.
[2:03:04] Speaker 4: That is not a part of the criteria.
[2:03:06] Speaker 2: You have 37 losses.
[2:03:08] Speaker 8: That's because I've been playing.
[2:03:12] Speaker 2: I've been playing. You got the less losses. I started
[2:03:16] Speaker 2: since day one. You don't have the less losses. Nigga,
[2:03:19] Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
[2:03:20] Speaker 4: He has six.
[2:03:22] Speaker 8: Right, that's because they missed. You guys missed. I've been
[2:03:25] Speaker 8: playing since day one.
[2:03:26] Speaker 2: If he's doing it like that. We're talking about the
[2:03:28] Speaker 2: less losses. We're talking about the most losses. That's why
[2:03:30] Speaker 2: he's not in. We're talking about who has the most losses.
[2:03:32] Speaker 4: Bro, I've been playing since the play-in. That's not fair.
[2:03:35] Speaker 2: Loss, loss, loss, loss, loss.
[2:03:38] Speaker 4: They wasn't even putting in their bets on the play-in.
[2:03:41] Speaker 4: They were not submitting the picks. They wasn't submitting.
[2:03:44] Speaker 1: Skip, I believe you are not with us tomorrow, so
[2:03:46] Speaker 1: I want to get your pick for game six.
[2:03:47] Speaker 4: I will save the rest for you.
[2:03:50] Speaker 9: By the way, I liked it better when I was
[2:03:52] Speaker 9: four and six so I could represent LeBron's finals.
[2:03:55] Speaker 2: See, Skip, you was doing so good. Skip, you was
[2:03:58] Speaker 2: doing so good. Thank you for acknowledging the World Championship.
[2:04:00] Speaker 2: Thank you for acknowledging. That segment's over, Skip. Good job.
[2:04:04] Speaker 3: Thank you.
[2:04:05] Speaker 2: You was doing so good.
[2:04:08] Speaker 9: Okay, game six at San Antonio. I am sticking with
[2:04:12] Speaker 9: Thunder in seven. I got Spurs big in game six.
[2:04:15] Speaker 4: Ooh.
[2:04:17] Speaker 9: That's the way the Thunder do business.
[2:04:20] Speaker 2: That's the way they do business? Yes, sir. I didn't
[2:04:22] Speaker 2: know that. That's good business.
[2:04:24] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:04:25] Speaker 3: He knows something.
[2:04:25] Speaker 9: But you won't like the business they do to you
[2:04:28] Speaker 9: in game seven back home.
[2:04:29] Speaker 2: My predictions go right. That's all I can figure out.
[2:04:31] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[2:04:32] Speaker 9: All right.
[2:04:32] Speaker 1: Well, we will get the rest of the coaches picked
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: tomorrow in that game six. Not until Thursday. But shout
[2:04:37] Speaker 1: out to everybody.
[2:04:39] Speaker 4: In the chat.
[2:04:39] Speaker 1: Appreciate all your commentary. You guys are very wild with
[2:04:41] Speaker 1: some of the assessments that you make.
[2:04:43] Speaker 2: While watching this show.
[2:04:45] Speaker 4: Shout out to everybody on this couch. Shout out to
[2:04:47] Speaker 4: our amazing crew.
[2:04:48] Speaker 1: As always, this has been another episode of Gil's Arena
[2:04:51] Speaker 1: presented by Underdog.
[2:04:53] Speaker 2: Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:04:55] Speaker 4: We'll see y'all tomorrow.
[2:04:58] Speaker 2: I got the clicker now.
[2:04:59] Speaker 3: I got the clicker now.

Shows are listed from Apple Podcasts' charts and directory, and Podcast Index where it is used. Every show and episode belongs to its publisher and plays from the publisher's own feed; this site hosts none of them.