# Gil's Arena GOES WILD Over The End Of The NBA Season

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 14 Apr 2026, 2 h 03 min.

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Gil's Arena GOES WILD Over The End Of The NBA Season as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to the end of the NBA Season and break down the road to the NBA Finals though the NBA Playoffs. They tip things off by reacting to the not so shocking news out of the Doc Rivers era is officially over for the Milwaukee Bucks as the polarizing head coach agreed to step down after a turbulent season and tenure in Cream City and discuss how much blame Doc deserves for the Bucks struggles during his time as head coach. They also break down where the Bucks go from here as they're stuck paying 3 fired head coaches while navigating the turbulence of Giannis Antetokounmpo's public divorce with the franchise. Next, they preview the first playoff series for the San Antonio Spurs & Victor Wembanyama as they break down what the french phenom will endure during his first taste of NBA Playoff action and debate if the Spurs shot themselves in the foot by rolling over in their final game against the Denver Nuggets, setting up a daunting road to the NBA Finals as Wemby & The Spurs will have to take down the OKC Thunder & Nikola Jokic's Nuggets if they want to advance all the way to the Championship Round. They then react to LeBron James capping off his 23rd season as the Los Angeles Lakers' number 1 option and discuss how this Lakers team will fare in the playoffs without Luka Doncic & Austin Reaves for the opening round. Finally, they give their take on Kevin Garnett returning to to Minnesota to reunite with the Minnesota Timberwolves and break down the NBA's potential new laws to curb tanking. PLEASE give us a LIKE and SUBSCRIBE!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Brandon Jennings, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:58 Doc Rivers FIRED In Milwaukee 0:15:43 Wemby & Spurs Played Themselves 1:01:25 LeBron & The Lakers Playoff Chances 1:45:08 Play In Tournament Predictions 2:01:16 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Postseason is
[0:09] Speaker 1: here playing. Kicks off tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, we excited? Yeah,
[0:14] Speaker 1: a little bit.
[0:15] Speaker 2: It's postseason. It's time for the game. I don't like
[0:20] Speaker 2: the play-ins, but.
[0:21] Speaker 3: It's the loser's cup. Yeah, the best of the losers
[0:25] Speaker 3: play tonight and.
[0:27] Speaker 2: Hopefully he get in. Hopefully he get in.
[0:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, but still, you can't 9th, 10th seed, man, unless
[0:35] Speaker 3: you're tied with 8th.
[0:37] Speaker 2: 10th shouldn't be in the question. I've been saying this.
[0:39] Speaker 2: 10th shouldn't even be in the question.
[0:41] Speaker 3: Only way 9th should be in the question if 8th
[0:44] Speaker 3: and 9th got the.
[0:44] Speaker 2: Exact same record.
[0:45] Speaker 3: 10, you fucking suck.
[0:51] Speaker 2: 10, you fucking suck. Dead ass, bro. They all kind
[0:56] Speaker 2: of tie, right? But still, if you 10th, no. Nobody's
[1:01] Speaker 2: tying with 10th. 10th is probably 11th. Game apart.
[1:09] Speaker 3: Heed and Hornets are game apart.
[1:11] Speaker 2: See, that's what I'm saying.
[1:12] Speaker 3: But they're a game apart, though. The difference is apart.
[1:18] Speaker 3: But it's the postseason.
[1:19] Speaker 4: Suns, Blazers.
[1:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:21] Speaker 4: Like this.
[1:22] Speaker 2: Warriors, 37 wins. It's usually the West Coast teams that
[1:26] Speaker 2: has the problem.
[1:27] Speaker 3: Just hear what you just said. I don't mean to
[1:29] Speaker 3: cut y'all good. Just hear what you said.
[1:31] Speaker 2: 37 wins, right?
[1:32] Speaker 3: Nigga, we won 50 games when it was with the Nuggets.
[1:35] Speaker 2: We were the fucking eighth seed. Damn.
[1:39] Speaker 4: Damn.
[1:40] Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's why I have a
[1:42] Speaker 3: problem with this shit. Like, we won 50 games, dog.
[1:45] Speaker 2: We were eighth seed. That's a lot.
[1:50] Speaker 5: Like you're seventh, right? You're sons. You have 45 wins.
[1:55] Speaker 5: That's fair. And Golden State has 37 wins, but we're
[2:01] Speaker 5: playing for, why am I playing in the same bracket
[2:04] Speaker 5: with them?
[2:06] Speaker 2: They're playing for the sevens. No, what I'm saying is,
[2:07] Speaker 2: and Portland's 42.
[2:08] Speaker 5: Why are we playing for my spot? I have 45 wins.
[2:16] Speaker 2: You have 42. Why are we playing for the seventh spot?
[2:20] Speaker 3: How does that even make sense? You lost more games
[2:23] Speaker 3: than you won this year, bro. What the fuck are
[2:25] Speaker 3: we playing? What are we playing for?
[2:27] Speaker 2: Adam Silver, if you're watching.
[2:28] Speaker 4: We're playing for my spot!
[2:30] Speaker 5: 82 games for me to get to seventh. And you
[2:35] Speaker 5: get to play for my spot. And if you beat me,
[2:39] Speaker 5: now I got to play for your spot with someone else.
[2:44] Speaker 4: They had a worse record than you. They had a
[2:46] Speaker 4: worse record than you.
[2:47] Speaker 2: Make it make sense. We'll win the game. You're good
[2:50] Speaker 2: to go. No, no, no.
[2:52] Speaker 4: Top eight.
[2:52] Speaker 2: Top eight.
[2:53] Speaker 4: That's the idea. If you so deserve it.
[2:55] Speaker 6: What I'm saying is seven should never be a question, dog.
[2:58] Speaker 4: So 37.
[2:58] Speaker 2: Let's say Golden State wins, Phoenix lose.
[3:01] Speaker 4: Right? So that's 45 versus 42. Then the....
[3:13] Speaker 5: Then the Golden State beats Suns. Then you have a
[3:19] Speaker 5: team who's been horrible all year get to the A spot,
[3:23] Speaker 5: and your team who's been solid all year is out
[3:27] Speaker 5: of the playoffs.
[3:29] Speaker 3: Go go and lose by a king's ransom in the
[3:31] Speaker 3: first round.
[3:33] Speaker 5: I mean, you can't be solid. Solid ain't good enough.
[3:35] Speaker 5: But I just said, like tanking, right? If you're Golden State,
[3:41] Speaker 5: right now you get a lottery pick. regardless, why would
[3:45] Speaker 5: I want to make the playoffs?
[3:48] Speaker 2: I think Steve Kerr shares those sentiments, guys. Yeah, why
[3:51] Speaker 2: do I want to get to the eighth spot? Yeah,
[3:53] Speaker 2: it does. It don't deter the lottery. Yeah, it does. Dallas, remember?
[3:59] Speaker 2: Dallas didn't make the playoffs. They'll get the lock-in picks.
[4:02] Speaker 5: They get the lock-in picks and they don't go.
[4:06] Speaker 2: To the lottery.
[4:07] Speaker 1: So if you finish 10th and you make the playoffs,
[4:09] Speaker 1: then I think you jump to that eighth spot. You
[4:12] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? In the lottery standing? No, so
[4:15] Speaker 1: you just get the... You're outside the lottery.
[4:17] Speaker 2: You're outside the lottery, so you get 14. So if
[4:20] Speaker 2: you're 8th, you get 14.
[4:21] Speaker 5: If you're 10th, you're in the lottery. So why would
[4:25] Speaker 5: you want to be a lottery team all year long,
[4:29] Speaker 5: then get yourself out of the lottery? Why would I
[4:31] Speaker 5: do that?
[4:32] Speaker 2: What did the Dallas do? I mean, it's just.
[4:34] Speaker 4: Hold on, hold.
[4:35] Speaker 2: On, hold on. That's how they got the.
[4:37] Speaker 4: Unless you made a trade with somebody... Yeah.
[4:42] Speaker 2: And you make the playoffs.
[4:43] Speaker 1: So if you make the playoffs, you're into one of
[4:44] Speaker 1: those locked picks, right? Yeah, you don't get the lottery.
[4:47] Speaker 1: You're not in the lottery.
[4:48] Speaker 6: It would make sense for the Warriors to want to
[4:50] Speaker 6: get to the playoffs.
[4:53] Speaker 2: To lose. Like Dallas last year.
[4:55] Speaker 5: Remember I said, if Dallas tries to make the playoffs,
[4:57] Speaker 5: all this losing all year, they don't get a lottery pick.
[5:00] Speaker 2: They don't get a lottery pick. The Warriors got 14. Yeah,
[5:02] Speaker 2: they would have gotten 14. 14, 15, 16. Yeah, 15.
[5:08] Speaker 5: So the fact that they didn't make it, they got
[5:11] Speaker 5: a chance to get the number one pick.
[5:13] Speaker 7: Oh, so you're saying you get to eight, you're outside
[5:15] Speaker 7: of the.
[5:15] Speaker 2: You make the playoffs, so you're in.
[5:18] Speaker 3: If you make the playoffs, your picks start from 14.
[5:21] Speaker 3: If you make the playoffs, you're in the top eight.
[5:23] Speaker 3: Your picks start at 14. Unless you've made.
[5:26] Speaker 6: A trade, unless you're Oklahoma City, unless you're Oklahoma City,
[5:29] Speaker 6: they would actually have a chance.
[5:31] Speaker 1: So now we're going to attend in the West, they
[5:33] Speaker 1: make the playoffs, then they're not in the lottery.
[5:35] Speaker 3: Unless you're Oklahoma City, They made trades and all that shit,
[5:38] Speaker 3: and now you got high picks.
[5:40] Speaker 2: I don't know. But that's what I said.
[5:42] Speaker 5: I said, you know, it's still a tank. And I
[5:44] Speaker 5: remember I said, I said, why if I'm 10th, and
[5:46] Speaker 5: I've been 10th all year, why would I even want
[5:48] Speaker 5: to win if I don't get no benefit?
[5:50] Speaker 2: Well, are they tanking? And if I'm 8th spot. They
[5:52] Speaker 2: just suck. That's what I think. I don't think they're tanking.
[5:55] Speaker 6: I think Steph coming back, and then I think they're
[5:58] Speaker 6: actually like, we can still make a run.
[6:00] Speaker 7: I don't think they've been tanking.
[6:01] Speaker 6: I think Steph coming back for the playoffs is like,
[6:04] Speaker 6: we can still make a run.
[6:06] Speaker 3: But I think he's going to be on the minutes restriction.
[6:10] Speaker 2: With him. With him.
[6:12] Speaker 8: They always going to have championship pedigree, right? They always
[6:14] Speaker 8: going to think it.
[6:15] Speaker 2: I mean, if they get in, I mean, you can't
[6:17] Speaker 2: tell them. Six-year-old chick in the club, though. Huh? She
[6:19] Speaker 2: might think she's still better.
[6:20] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[6:22] Speaker 2: I mean, but can't the Warriors do something in the offseason? No.
[6:26] Speaker 2: Like what? You can still do something in the offseason.
[6:28] Speaker 2: They can make a move. They can do whatever they
[6:29] Speaker 2: want in the offseason.
[6:31] Speaker 5: But you can possibly, if you lose, you can possibly
[6:34] Speaker 5: get a number one pick and still do whatever you
[6:36] Speaker 5: want in the summer.
[6:37] Speaker 4: Right?
[6:39] Speaker 5: It's the same thing with Dallas. Dallas had the team, right?
[6:42] Speaker 5: And they end up getting a number one pick. So
[6:43] Speaker 5: whatever they want to do in the summer, they still
[6:45] Speaker 5: do it.
[6:45] Speaker 7: So you're saying they should lose the play, yeah.
[6:47] Speaker 2: I said, what is the point?
[6:49] Speaker 7: Of winning the play-in?
[6:52] Speaker 5: No, I got this million. Yeah, I got this million
[6:54] Speaker 5: dollars in my pocket all year.
[6:57] Speaker 2: For me to fuck it up on one game? For
[6:59] Speaker 2: me to lose it?
[7:00] Speaker 4: For me to go put it on red?
[7:02] Speaker 5: I'm not going to jeopardize it now.
[7:06] Speaker 2: Shit. Trayvon, shoot 23s. Exquisite combo. We need to make
[7:11] Speaker 2: sure we don't win. This is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[7:14] Speaker 2: I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson.
[7:16] Speaker 1: We've got NBA legend, Arc Raiders, most wanted, Gilbert Arenas
[7:19] Speaker 1: here with us.
[7:20] Speaker 2: They got t-shirts now. I see y'all out here living, Gil. Huh?
[7:23] Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about Ark Raiders, but I see
[7:25] Speaker 1: people don't like you.
[7:26] Speaker 2: They trying anything, man.
[7:28] Speaker 5: Imagine hiring somebody to come get somebody and he keep failing.
[7:32] Speaker 2: That is a horrible call.
[7:33] Speaker 4: With a refund.
[7:36] Speaker 1: Be the next Gil joined by NBA champion of the world,
[7:38] Speaker 1: Swaggy P, Nick Young.
[7:41] Speaker 4: What you been looking at?
[7:43] Speaker 2: Huh? What you been looking at me like this? I mean, bro,
[7:48] Speaker 2: you just like a side of the freeway. just tagged up,
[7:52] Speaker 2: just tagged up dirty. You know, you just, who said
[7:57] Speaker 2: it's this?
[7:57] Speaker 4: Who said it's this? What did you claim?
[8:01] Speaker 2: I love Hollywood.
[8:02] Speaker 4: Hey, Trey. I'm in Hollywood.
[8:05] Speaker 2: Damn.
[8:06] Speaker 4: A side of the freeway.
[8:07] Speaker 6: He said that like that's a group of people, like
[8:10] Speaker 6: a side of the freeway.
[8:11] Speaker 4: A side of the freeway.
[8:13] Speaker 6: Did everybody just be tagging this?
[8:17] Speaker 2: I was about to compliment the fans. I rocked him.
[8:19] Speaker 4: A side of the freeway is sick.
[8:22] Speaker 1: Representing Tough Crowd Car Care and Country Club, remember we
[8:24] Speaker 1: got Mr. B, Brandon Jennings back.
[8:26] Speaker 4: Here with us.
[8:29] Speaker 2: Taking gloves.
[8:29] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[8:30] Speaker 2: Taking gloves. All right now. Taking gloves. All right now.
[8:33] Speaker 4: OJ did it. You can't wear it.
[8:37] Speaker 2: Let's see if it fits.
[8:38] Speaker 4: But it don't go on the hand, though. But it
[8:41] Speaker 4: don't matter, though. He can't even wear it when he plays.
[8:42] Speaker 2: J.C. 's took it yesterday. You can't wear it. The
[8:45] Speaker 2: glove does fit. On this side of the couch, we
[8:47] Speaker 2: got a distinguished gentleman. See, I was a part of that,
[8:49] Speaker 2: so that's why I'm a little.
[8:52] Speaker 4: You lost something?
[8:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, my glove as well, but....
[9:00] Speaker 2: I gifted JC the glove and he go out and
[9:01] Speaker 2: we lose the motherfuckin' like... Oh, so that's originally Kenyon's glove. Yeah,
[9:05] Speaker 2: I gave it to JC, gifted it to him, and yeah,
[9:09] Speaker 2: he go out and lose the bitch.
[9:11] Speaker 4: We lost about, what, four?
[9:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
[9:14] Speaker 1: We have the gloveless distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, former
[9:18] Speaker 1: number one pick Kenyon Martin.
[9:20] Speaker 4: The glove has been re-gifted.
[9:25] Speaker 2: PTSD, will you see your glove now at another? See,
[9:28] Speaker 2: the thing is, see, I didn't bring the one that
[9:30] Speaker 2: he lost. But, so I got one of his. They
[9:33] Speaker 2: both came in there with matching gloves, though.
[9:35] Speaker 4: Both had red.
[9:35] Speaker 2: They look cute. Look cute as a motherfucker. I still
[9:37] Speaker 2: got them.
[9:38] Speaker 4: Look like a team.
[9:39] Speaker 2: Came out here to lose. I've been had his glove
[9:41] Speaker 2: on my bag. So, I'm not the one to brag. Okay. But. Yeah,
[9:46] Speaker 2: they kicked our ass yesterday, though. All right. Ain't on
[9:48] Speaker 2: any bushes. Him and Rob, yeah, they... Rob Ultra.
[9:52] Speaker 4: Legend.
[9:53] Speaker 3: No, Rob had a few good shots. Brandon had a
[9:55] Speaker 3: birdie yesterday. He had a birdie? Yeah, he had a
[9:57] Speaker 3: birdie yesterday.
[9:58] Speaker 2: I'm hooping, bro. I'm telling you, I'm getting nice, dog.
[10:01] Speaker 2: I think we both are. Me and him, he witnessed
[10:04] Speaker 2: my birdie last week. Nick can't come out because he
[10:06] Speaker 2: got his club stolen. For sure, he has some nines.
[10:09] Speaker 2: They stole his club. I don't have no nines or tens.
[10:13] Speaker 2: He hit the ball out of bounds a couple times. Listen,
[10:16] Speaker 2: it's not a good round if you don't. Both of us.
[10:20] Speaker 3: Hey, he went into my birdie last week, and I
[10:23] Speaker 3: saw his yesterday, so it's... We're getting there.
[10:27] Speaker 1: Last but not least, we have the man they call
[10:29] Speaker 1: Cemetery Larry, NCAA Champion of the World, Dr. Rashad McCamp's PhD.
[10:35] Speaker 1: Taking it way back. The exquisite throwback. The matching adidas.
[10:41] Speaker 2: That was easy.
[10:44] Speaker 1: Double sound effects. The only man in the game with
[10:47] Speaker 1: double sound effects, ladies and gentlemen. You will not see
[10:49] Speaker 1: those on any other show. I got to add something
[10:50] Speaker 1: to it, though.
[10:52] Speaker 2: I'm a trendsetter. You got to add something to it now, though.
[10:55] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
[10:56] Speaker 2: The most. No. The thing I sent you. Oh, the
[11:00] Speaker 2: most hated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[11:01] Speaker 7: Shout out to Cam Newton and the boys.
[11:03] Speaker 2: They voted me to. Top three. Top three. Made the
[11:07] Speaker 2: top three most hated. Most hated podcasters. The most hated.
[11:11] Speaker 4: Diabolical hated. Be good or.
[11:14] Speaker 2: Be good at it. He just made the list.
[11:17] Speaker 7: I ain't even been trying. Now I get to try.
[11:20] Speaker 4: I'm going for the top spot now. Fuck out of here.
[11:23] Speaker 10: Jason Whitlock.
[11:24] Speaker 2: Jason Whitlock. Who's number two? Steven A. Steven A. was two.
[11:36] Speaker 2: Pat Benner, four. Stephen A's number two from his podcast.
[11:40] Speaker 2: The podcast. Just being most hated. Just most hated. So
[11:44] Speaker 2: they said podcasters.
[11:45] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[11:45] Speaker 2: So they said most hated podcast.
[11:46] Speaker 6: They're just saying niggas they don't like. So it was
[11:49] Speaker 6: just like, we don't like these niggas.
[11:51] Speaker 2: Because I don't, yeah, the stuff he says, I don't
[11:52] Speaker 2: know if it's be on his podcast.
[11:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[11:55] Speaker 11: It was most hated podcast. I saw that shit. I
[11:57] Speaker 11: was like, man, my nigga made the list.
[12:00] Speaker 6: Definitely made the list. Appreciate that. Cam, thank you. I
[12:05] Speaker 6: know how you feel now. Shit, you feel like everybody else.
[12:09] Speaker 6: Put them in the book. Well, we got a lot
[12:11] Speaker 6: to discuss. Here's what's cracking in Gil's arena today.
[12:15] Speaker 1: Doc Rivers and the Bucks officially parted ways in their
[12:18] Speaker 1: work season in more than a decade. Where does Milwaukee
[12:21] Speaker 1: go from here? LeBron ended the regular season as the Lakers'
[12:25] Speaker 1: number one option and Western Conference Player of the Week.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Will King James keep the purple and gold afloat until
[12:31] Speaker 1: Luka's return? Or ask a question mark, can you? It's
[12:34] Speaker 1: a question mark, okay?
[12:36] Speaker 2: It's possible. Anything is possible. Hope and possibility work together.
[12:41] Speaker 2: They shut DGs down, I told you.
[12:44] Speaker 1: And the Spurs will likely have to go through Denver
[12:46] Speaker 1: and OKC. They want to reach their first final since 2014.
[12:50] Speaker 1: What are realistic expectations for Wimby in his first career postseason?
[12:54] Speaker 1: But before we get into all that, as always, this
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[13:46] Speaker 1: get your podcasts. So we're going to start out there
[13:49] Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. The Doc Rivers era officially over with the
[13:53] Speaker 1: announcement coming Monday. Rivers stepped down as Bucs head coach.
[13:57] Speaker 1: Doc took over as Bucs head coach in January of 2024.
[14:00] Speaker 1: after Adrian Griffin got the boot, had a record of
[14:04] Speaker 1: 97-103 during his tenure, which included two first-round exits and
[14:07] Speaker 1: missing the postseason entirely this year after going 32-50, finishing
[14:12] Speaker 1: 11th in the East. Rivers did manage to lead the
[14:14] Speaker 1: Bucs to an NBA Cup championship, though, in 2024. Neither
[14:17] Speaker 1: here nor there, but it is a banner.
[14:20] Speaker 2: It counts. On the same release Monday, Rivers said the following.
[14:25] Speaker 1: I have truly loved my time in Milwaukee. Coming back
[14:27] Speaker 1: to where I got my start, to a city that
[14:29] Speaker 1: has always embraced me, has been a privilege. I'm disappointed
[14:33] Speaker 1: that things did not turn out the way any of
[14:35] Speaker 1: us hoped, but I am deeply grateful for this experience,
[14:38] Speaker 1: the relationships built, and unwavering support from our fans and
[14:42] Speaker 1: the community. Milwaukee will always mean a lot to me,
[14:44] Speaker 1: and this chapter will hold a special place in my heart.
[14:47] Speaker 1: So Rivers signed a deal worth approximately $ 40 million back
[14:51] Speaker 1: when he was hired in 2024. Will be paid out
[14:53] Speaker 1: for the final season remaining on this contract. So according
[14:56] Speaker 1: to reports, the Bucks and Rivers are discussing the possibility
[14:59] Speaker 1: of him moving to an advisory role with the team.
[15:01] Speaker 2: You're going to earn this money, Doc.
[15:05] Speaker 4: We're paying.
[15:06] Speaker 1: You got to show up and do something. Come holler
[15:09] Speaker 1: at the BMO club. Writing was on the wall this
[15:11] Speaker 1: season with reports Rivers had lost the locker room. So, Doc,
[15:15] Speaker 1: third coach to part ways with the Bucs since 2023,
[15:17] Speaker 1: joining Mike Budenholzer and Griffin. Mr. B, we're going to
[15:20] Speaker 1: start with you. You are very tapped in, connected to
[15:22] Speaker 1: the Milwaukee community.
[15:23] Speaker 2: Mr. Bucs in six. What's your reaction to Doc Rivers
[15:27] Speaker 2: stepping down as Bucs head coach? I mean, like you said,
[15:31] Speaker 2: the writing was on the wall.
[15:34] Speaker 8: Probably should have happened sooner, but, you know, Milwaukee, I
[15:39] Speaker 8: felt like just did it the right way, I guess,
[15:41] Speaker 8: because he's up a Hall of Fame coach this year. But,
[15:46] Speaker 8: you know, it was time there. The team just quit
[15:49] Speaker 8: on them. The players, you know, the adjustments, everything. You know,
[15:53] Speaker 8: I mean, you heard it from the city. Everybody was
[15:54] Speaker 8: complaining about it. But like I said, the writing was
[15:58] Speaker 8: on the wall, and it should have happened sooner. But,
[16:00] Speaker 8: you know, Doc could still be Hall of Fame coach,
[16:03] Speaker 8: and that's all you can say on that.
[16:06] Speaker 1: Entering the Hall of Fame this year, I think there
[16:07] Speaker 1: was some, obviously, foreshadowing in the last weeks or so.
[16:11] Speaker 1: He said he wanted to spend more time with his grandchildren,
[16:13] Speaker 1: go to grandparents' day. for his seven grandchildren, multiple grandparents dead,
[16:18] Speaker 1: on the docket. No words still if he'll take that
[16:20] Speaker 1: advisory role or if he's just gonna chill out. But Gil,
[16:23] Speaker 1: what's your reaction to the Bucks and Doc Rivers parting
[16:27] Speaker 1: ways after two and a half seasons?
[16:30] Speaker 2: They parted ways when he got hired.
[16:40] Speaker 4: What?
[16:41] Speaker 2: It's like drinking poison. I mean.
[16:44] Speaker 5: The person who gives it to you, they know you're dead.
[16:46] Speaker 5: You're just dead men walking. Have y'all ever, in your
[16:55] Speaker 5: previous time, dated a girl who dated someone really rich?
[17:02] Speaker 4: Right?
[17:03] Speaker 5: It's like trying to date one of the Kardashians right now.
[17:08] Speaker 5: There's nothing you're going to do that's going to impress them. No, no,
[17:11] Speaker 5: not when you had her. That was a broke one.
[17:13] Speaker 5: She was broke then. She was broke then.
[17:15] Speaker 2: I'm talking about trying to not, you know what I mean?
[17:17] Speaker 2: I'm talking about trying to. Triggering.
[17:19] Speaker 5: No, no, I'm talking about my back. We was like, Kim, right?
[17:22] Speaker 5: Trying to date Kim now, right? Like, how do you
[17:28] Speaker 5: top the last people? So that means they're not impressed.
[17:32] Speaker 2: So before you get there, Doc, we have.
[17:35] Speaker 5: A champion and then 30 and 13. When you come
[17:40] Speaker 5: in there, you're coming with high standards.
[17:44] Speaker 4: Right?
[17:45] Speaker 2: So what were you going to do? What record did
[17:51] Speaker 2: you think you.
[17:51] Speaker 5: Were going to have for that locker room to be
[17:55] Speaker 5: impressed or anyone to be impressed? They were second place,
[17:59] Speaker 5: third place when you got there. It was just downhill
[18:05] Speaker 5: moving from there.
[18:06] Speaker 2: 30 and 13, they're moving like clockwork.
[18:09] Speaker 5: They fired a champion coach and 30 and 13, there
[18:13] Speaker 5: was nothing you was going to do to not get fired.
[18:16] Speaker 5: Like there was nothing. They fired two winning coaches.
[18:23] Speaker 4: Right?
[18:23] Speaker 2: 17 and 19 in that first season. Yeah, yeah, 17
[18:26] Speaker 2: and 19.
[18:26] Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is no matter what he did,
[18:28] Speaker 5: he could have went 30 and 13. It didn't matter
[18:31] Speaker 5: what you're doing.
[18:34] Speaker 2: It was here before you got here.
[18:36] Speaker 5: So there was no reason for him to go get
[18:40] Speaker 5: that job unless he had security there.
[18:44] Speaker 8: I mean, we did have ties with Marquette.
[18:47] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he probably just wanted to go out.
[18:49] Speaker 2: If it was just a money grab, cool, but he
[18:53] Speaker 2: was always going to get fired.
[18:54] Speaker 5: He was only going to last two years. That was
[18:56] Speaker 5: really the most, unless somehow you won a championship. But
[18:59] Speaker 5: that team wasn't built to win the championship. We just
[19:08] Speaker 5: always looked at the production of Giannis. Now, you can
[19:14] Speaker 5: blame Doc if you want to, but at the end
[19:16] Speaker 5: of the day, they fired three coaches. So before you
[19:21] Speaker 5: get the doc, Bud got fired.
[19:25] Speaker 4: Why?
[19:26] Speaker 2: Griffin got a job.
[19:27] Speaker 4: He got fired. Why?
[19:30] Speaker 5: So using doc name to say, oh, he lost a
[19:34] Speaker 5: locker room. What did the other two coaches, did they
[19:37] Speaker 5: lose the same locker room too? Because they got shipped
[19:40] Speaker 5: the fuck off too. So in reality, doc should be happy.
[19:49] Speaker 2: You know? no point at your age to go through
[19:52] Speaker 2: this bullshit that's going on in that locker room.
[19:55] Speaker 5: Because if we listened to what Giannis was saying earlier,
[19:58] Speaker 5: he was saying it earlier. The team, they're not buying in.
[20:02] Speaker 5: They don't want to pass the ball. He was saying
[20:05] Speaker 5: it earlier, but because he wasn't playing.
[20:08] Speaker 2: Watch out, dog. It's us right now.
[20:12] Speaker 5: You know, in the locker room, man, sometimes there's more
[20:14] Speaker 5: losers than there are winners. And, you know, sometimes the
[20:18] Speaker 5: losers take over a locker room if, you know, if
[20:21] Speaker 5: the winners are not playing. And, you know, it seems
[20:25] Speaker 5: that's what happened here. So, you know, I'm going to
[20:30] Speaker 5: step down before you fire me.
[20:32] Speaker 2: Part ways. We're going to part ways.
[20:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
[20:34] Speaker 1: So, Swaggy, let's shift over to you. I was in
[20:37] Speaker 1: Milwaukee recently. Your family still looking for you? That's how
[20:40] Speaker 1: you were doing. Tell them everything.
[20:41] Speaker 4: Was going well. Parted ways.
[20:44] Speaker 2: What's your reaction to the Bucs and Dr.
[20:47] Speaker 1: Green parting ways after two and a half seasons?
[20:50] Speaker 10: Well, I think, well, Doc, there's been a lot of
[20:54] Speaker 10: bad media around him for sure.
[20:58] Speaker 2: You've seen it.
[20:59] Speaker 10: But Milwaukee, I don't think they had the team that
[21:02] Speaker 10: was designed to win in the first place. With injuries,
[21:05] Speaker 10: with Giannis in the media, he getting traded every other
[21:09] Speaker 10: week or he don't want to be there or he.
[21:11] Speaker 2: Wants something else. I think.
[21:15] Speaker 10: This shouldn't be it for Doc. If he wants to,
[21:17] Speaker 10: he can. I think he did enough. He's a Hall
[21:20] Speaker 10: of Famer. But at this rate, coaches getting fired like
[21:26] Speaker 10: left and right now. So that's a tough job. You
[21:28] Speaker 10: got a roach on your cup.
[21:31] Speaker 1: I was wondering what kind of creature that was.
[21:33] Speaker 4: That is a roach. That's a real roach. Nigga, that
[21:36] Speaker 4: came from you.
[21:38] Speaker 2: Told you to take out that freeway pants, man.
[21:41] Speaker 4: Why you moving around? Nigga, I ain't seen roaches since
[21:44] Speaker 4: I was a baby. I ain't never had a roach.
[21:48] Speaker 10: You look like a candy man.
[21:52] Speaker 2: Can somebody remove the cup? That's a real roach, though.
[21:56] Speaker 2: That was a real one. It was a real one,
[21:58] Speaker 2: not You got something you want to tell me?
[22:00] Speaker 4: Man, what?
[22:01] Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with you no more. You
[22:03] Speaker 2: got roaches coming out of your pocket.
[22:04] Speaker 4: I ain't seen that since I was little. You just
[22:05] Speaker 4: came from Milwaukee.
[22:06] Speaker 2: You were there playing video games at your boy's house,
[22:08] Speaker 2: and the roaches come across the screen.
[22:09] Speaker 4: You act like you don't know. The roaches.
[22:13] Speaker 2: All right, well, roaches aside, let's shift over to the
[22:15] Speaker 2: side of the couch. Canyon, Doc Rivers.
[22:18] Speaker 4: That roach will start sitting in the mug.
[22:22] Speaker 2: In need of hydration.
[22:24] Speaker 4: You got this cup. This gentleman's.
[22:29] Speaker 2: You got a ratatouille approach over there.
[22:32] Speaker 4: I was going to mix it. Tell him to sit
[22:36] Speaker 4: in his ear and say this. Yeah, man. Give him
[22:41] Speaker 4: all them takes.
[22:42] Speaker 2: Hey, don't leave home without me, man.
[22:43] Speaker 4: You a funny nigga, boy. Ratatouille. I'm supposed to be
[22:53] Speaker 4: in the hat. Nigga, how'd I get on the cup?
[22:56] Speaker 2: First roach. I'm glad I see that.
[22:59] Speaker 4: Boy, you the funniest. It is right there on the cup.
[23:02] Speaker 2: It is right there on the cup. Oh, shit. I
[23:04] Speaker 2: needed that. Oh, man. It went down. Let's shift over
[23:08] Speaker 2: to this side of the couch.
[23:10] Speaker 1: Kane, what are your thoughts on Doc Rivers and the
[23:13] Speaker 1: Bucks parting ways after two and a half seasons, 97
[23:16] Speaker 1: and 103 records, I believe with three and eight in
[23:18] Speaker 1: the playoffs. Did not make the postseason this year.
[23:23] Speaker 3: Bad juju in Milwaukee, man, from how they did Bud,
[23:27] Speaker 3: how they did Chris Middleton. I think how they did
[23:32] Speaker 3: Chris Middleton was messed up. He wasn't the healthiest, and
[23:38] Speaker 3: he was still trying to play. When Giannis went down
[23:41] Speaker 3: in the playoffs, he was out there playing on one leg. But, yeah, no,
[23:47] Speaker 3: it's just them situations, man, that you make. as an
[23:51] Speaker 3: organization that can come back to haunt you. The Dame
[23:56] Speaker 3: thing didn't work out. I understand what they were trying
[24:00] Speaker 3: to do, but it's just two contrasting styles of basketball
[24:05] Speaker 3: with him and Giannis. They never got to figure it
[24:06] Speaker 3: out on the floor, and then injuries got in the way,
[24:09] Speaker 3: and so that was a failed experiment. I just think
[24:14] Speaker 3: Doc was the wrong coach for where Giannis was in
[24:18] Speaker 3: his career. I think Adrian Griffin probably was more fitting,
[24:23] Speaker 3: but I don't, whatever. However, that transpired, transpired quickly.
[24:29] Speaker 2: 30 and 13.
[24:30] Speaker 3: So 45 games, not even 45 games into that relationship,
[24:36] Speaker 3: things happened, right?
[24:37] Speaker 2: The team looked very happy after that, after he initially
[24:40] Speaker 2: got booted. Yeah. Dance circles and shit.
[24:43] Speaker 3: Well, I could see, never been around Adrian Griffin, but
[24:48] Speaker 3: played against him. know how he plays the game. Just,
[24:56] Speaker 3: you know, kind of like J.B. Bickerstaff, maybe, I'm assuming.
[25:01] Speaker 2: Right?
[25:01] Speaker 3: Call it how it is. Not cutting any corners with guys.
[25:06] Speaker 3: Probably rubbed some guys the wrong way. I think you
[25:08] Speaker 3: need that in order to be successful at times. But yeah, no, man,
[25:12] Speaker 3: we'll see what's next for the Bucs. I think this
[25:16] Speaker 3: is just the beginning of change. I We all know
[25:22] Speaker 3: the things that's been transpiring around Giannis and that situation
[25:27] Speaker 3: of his future there or not. So we'll see with that. But, yeah, no, man,
[25:33] Speaker 3: it was time. Yeah, you just hear the complaints and
[25:38] Speaker 3: different things coming out the locker room. Doc, players, players, doc.
[25:43] Speaker 3: It was time, bro. It is what it is at
[25:45] Speaker 3: this point. He gets to go spend time with his
[25:48] Speaker 3: grandkids like he stated.
[25:49] Speaker 2: It's not a bad.
[25:52] Speaker 3: But not a bad time for where you are in
[25:54] Speaker 3: your coaching tenure, right? You've been doing it for a
[25:57] Speaker 3: long time. And wasn't he in an advisory role when
[26:03] Speaker 3: he took over the job?
[26:04] Speaker 1: They brought him on December 2023 to help consult.
[26:07] Speaker 2: So you don't think, no.
[26:10] Speaker 3: Whoever's making these decisions, no, that ain't the move.
[26:13] Speaker 2: He was a good consultant. The team was 30 and 13.
[26:15] Speaker 2: Told him to fire a dude. Yeah, told him to fire.
[26:19] Speaker 4: He's 30 and 30.
[26:19] Speaker 2: Hey, I think you should fire him. Huh? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[26:23] Speaker 2: that ain't working. Yeah, that ain't working.
[26:25] Speaker 4: That ain't working.
[26:26] Speaker 2: 30 and 13 ain't working. They said the players didn't
[26:28] Speaker 2: like him.
[26:29] Speaker 4: Cool.
[26:30] Speaker 2: He was a terrible coach. They said he was a
[26:32] Speaker 2: terrible coach and the players didn't like him. So a
[26:35] Speaker 2: terrible coach gets you 30 and 13? They said the
[26:38] Speaker 2: talent was doing it.
[26:39] Speaker 4: Hey, cool.
[26:40] Speaker 3: Hey, let the talent keep talenting and you keep motherfucking
[26:43] Speaker 3: coaching and seem to have been working out up to
[26:47] Speaker 3: that point.
[26:48] Speaker 2: But, hey, I don't know much. Let's move on to Dr. McCants.
[26:53] Speaker 2: The book is out. The pen is inked. You talk
[26:57] Speaker 2: to him. What are your thoughts on Doc Rivers and
[27:01] Speaker 2: the Bucks parting ways after two and a half seasons? Two-fold.
[27:06] Speaker 6: I want to touch on one, the history that we're
[27:11] Speaker 6: talking about now as far as Bud, Griffin, and now Doc, right?
[27:18] Speaker 6: I honestly think that it had nothing to do with
[27:21] Speaker 6: the organization when Boone Hoser got fired. I feel like
[27:26] Speaker 6: that was also a player-generated, prompted decision from A to B.
[27:34] Speaker 2: Any player in particular? I'm just saying.
[27:36] Speaker 4: Okay.
[27:37] Speaker 6: All right, just let me go ahead and cook it
[27:38] Speaker 6: a little bit. Adrian Griffin gets there, right? Decisions were
[27:42] Speaker 6: made to get another certain player to come down and
[27:45] Speaker 6: add some type of value to the roster. After losing
[27:49] Speaker 6: in the first round to Miami. Said player played three
[27:54] Speaker 6: games out of that series. They lost 4-1. Coach gets fired.
[28:02] Speaker 6: The championship coach we're talking about gets fired.
[28:07] Speaker 7: No one said that he lost the locker room. Nobody
[28:09] Speaker 7: said that he didn't. We don't know. But he's gone.
[28:13] Speaker 7: Then they make offseason trades. Bring in Dame. This is
[28:19] Speaker 7: said to be something that's needed for.
[28:21] Speaker 6: Said guys who want change to happen for us to
[28:25] Speaker 6: get back to our championship ways. Adrian Griffin comes in,
[28:29] Speaker 6: and he leads you to a 30-13 situation. New roster.
[28:37] Speaker 6: Everybody should be happy we're winning, but we're not. Fire
[28:42] Speaker 6: Adrian Griffin.
[28:43] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[28:44] Speaker 6: Someone is in the background where Adrian Griffin is coaching
[28:49] Speaker 6: saying certain things about what's happening in the locker room
[28:53] Speaker 6: and why the guys feel something about this 30 and
[28:57] Speaker 6: 13 record. Why is it 30 and 13? Why are
[29:00] Speaker 6: we mad? Why are we not happy?
[29:04] Speaker 7: Offense not clicking. Guys not getting their numbers the way
[29:06] Speaker 7: they're supposed to.
[29:06] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[29:07] Speaker 2: We don't know. Get them out of here.
[29:10] Speaker 7: Said person comes down from this position to go into
[29:13] Speaker 7: this position. Now he's coaching.
[29:16] Speaker 2: With $ 40 million.
[29:18] Speaker 6: Goes 17 and 19, did we say? 17 and 19.
[29:22] Speaker 6: So we had a expectation of him to bring in
[29:27] Speaker 6: his winning pedigree to this organization and help them get
[29:31] Speaker 6: back to prominence. Hey, Doc, we've seen what you could
[29:35] Speaker 6: do with this type of talent. Take us there, all right?
[29:39] Speaker 6: didn't happen let's just say mid-season doc did say you
[29:43] Speaker 6: know it's hard to come in mid-season and turn things
[29:45] Speaker 6: around and get things where it's supposed to go all
[29:48] Speaker 6: right doc we'll give you this grace we're gonna wait
[29:49] Speaker 6: till next year so you can get to you get
[29:52] Speaker 6: rid of dame.
[29:55] Speaker 7: You leave uh yannis on an island.
[29:59] Speaker 2: Here we are.
[30:01] Speaker 6: I call it camera. This is the book of what's up, Doc?
[30:06] Speaker 6: Like Bugs Bunny in them. The snake comes down. The
[30:11] Speaker 6: ego shows itself. He says, I got a resume too.
[30:15] Speaker 6: I got stats too. How you lose a locker room.
[30:19] Speaker 6: But how is the locker room lost three different coaches?
[30:24] Speaker 6: It can't be the organization. They just get the information.
[30:28] Speaker 6: So somebody's saying something to the organization to get rid
[30:31] Speaker 6: of these guys. And now I feel like this one
[30:36] Speaker 6: guy is going to get out of this thing unscathed.
[30:41] Speaker 6: I've been a big fan of this guy, big supporter.
[30:44] Speaker 6: But now that I'm seeing the right on the wall,
[30:47] Speaker 6: I don't know whose fault it is between the snake doc.
[30:51] Speaker 6: And the karma that he's going to get based on
[30:53] Speaker 6: what he's done to be put in this position to
[30:55] Speaker 6: get this organization to look the way it looks now.
[30:57] Speaker 6: But then you got the leader, the top, the top guy,
[31:01] Speaker 6: the guy who's supposed to be taking us there. Ain't
[31:05] Speaker 6: nothing been pleasing him. So at this point, it's what
[31:10] Speaker 6: are we doing and who's going to be the one
[31:11] Speaker 6: to blame? Because there's the elephant in the room. Three
[31:14] Speaker 6: different coaches. You got Dame. You lost Dame. I feel
[31:18] Speaker 6: like Chris wasn't doing enough for you. Had to get
[31:21] Speaker 6: rid of Chris. Got rid of Drew. A lot of
[31:23] Speaker 6: things happened where you got a lot of different things
[31:26] Speaker 6: in your favor that didn't pan out.
[31:28] Speaker 7: And now it's like, well, what do we do now?
[31:29] Speaker 7: You just jump ship?
[31:31] Speaker 6: Now you jump ship because it's a small market? I'm
[31:34] Speaker 6: not buying it. I'm not buying it. So whether it's
[31:38] Speaker 6: Doc or I think, what's his name?
[31:40] Speaker 2: Giannis?
[31:43] Speaker 7: Somebody's to blame. And it's one of them two.
[31:46] Speaker 3: I'm not going to put it on the organization. Yeah,
[31:48] Speaker 3: I forgot Drew. Yeah, they did. Yeah, Drew too. So
[31:52] Speaker 3: throw him and Chris in there together. Help y'all win
[31:54] Speaker 3: the championship and y'all.
[31:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[31:59] Speaker 10: So nobody would trade Drew for Dane Leonard if they could?
[32:02] Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Coming off a championship.
[32:07] Speaker 2: I wouldn't. You would have.
[32:09] Speaker 4: If that, just think about it.
[32:11] Speaker 2: Coming off a championship, I would not have. No, they
[32:13] Speaker 2: came off a championship a couple years before. A long
[32:17] Speaker 2: couple years. It was like, what, two years? It was
[32:20] Speaker 2: two years and more?
[32:21] Speaker 4: Two years and more? 2021.
[32:22] Speaker 2: 2022.
[32:22] Speaker 9: Well, yeah, 2022, 2023 was the year Boone and him lost.
[32:29] Speaker 2: They won 2021. They won 2021.
[32:33] Speaker 1: They lost to the Celtics in the semis the next year,
[32:37] Speaker 1: but they were still, I believe, what, third?
[32:38] Speaker 2: With Drew Holiday.
[32:39] Speaker 1: Then they lost to the Heat when they were first.
[32:41] Speaker 1: And then Giannis wasn't healthy, though. Giannis only played three
[32:44] Speaker 1: of those games.
[32:45] Speaker 2: So I'm not trading Drew Holiday for Dame Lillard. No. Okay.
[32:50] Speaker 2: Not at that point. All right. Now, they ain't a
[32:54] Speaker 2: hell of a player, but what Drew does, he proved
[32:57] Speaker 2: it again, right?
[32:58] Speaker 7: Yeah, he definitely went over there and won.
[33:00] Speaker 2: So that's my thing, right?
[33:01] Speaker 5: Like, he proved what he— The reason why, because they
[33:03] Speaker 5: were trying to hit the panic.
[33:04] Speaker 3: They were hitting the panic button. Yeah, because Giannis wanted more.
[33:07] Speaker 3: Giannis wanted more. He was saying more and more and
[33:09] Speaker 3: more and more.
[33:09] Speaker 8: So, I mean, to get a top 75 player— Dame
[33:12] Speaker 8: to come tomorrow.
[33:13] Speaker 2: That's big. Like, that's big, man.
[33:16] Speaker 3: I get why they, I understand why they did it. Yeah,
[33:19] Speaker 3: I understand why they did it, yes. But I look
[33:22] Speaker 3: at the type of total basketball player that Drew Holiday
[33:26] Speaker 3: is and the leader that he is and everything that
[33:28] Speaker 3: he brings to the table. I would prefer that over
[33:32] Speaker 3: what Dame.
[33:32] Speaker 2: Brings to the table.
[33:33] Speaker 7: And to look better on paper.
[33:35] Speaker 2: Dame a hell of a basketball player.
[33:36] Speaker 4: They look better on paper. Dame top 75.
[33:38] Speaker 2: I'm not taking anything off his plate.
[33:40] Speaker 7: He's saying overall.
[33:41] Speaker 2: Overall better basketball player. So just hear me out, right?
[33:46] Speaker 3: Same situation, right? Us in Denver, AI, and Melo, right?
[33:51] Speaker 3: We losing the first round. 25 apiece.
[33:54] Speaker 2: With Chuck.
[33:55] Speaker 3: Chuck a hell of a basketball player. I love him
[33:56] Speaker 3: to death. It just wasn't going to work with him
[33:59] Speaker 3: and Melo. We trade Chuck for Chauncey, we make it
[34:03] Speaker 3: to the Western Conference Finals. Same people, we just move
[34:07] Speaker 3: one that doesn't. That's the difference, all I'm saying, right?
[34:10] Speaker 3: Hell of a basketball players, but fit in what we
[34:14] Speaker 3: were trying to do.
[34:14] Speaker 2: They was 30 and 13, and they got hurt.
[34:16] Speaker 8: So I can't really say that because they got hurt.
[34:19] Speaker 2: You got hurt. Yeah, 30 and 13, they got hurt.
[34:23] Speaker 4: They got hurt, too, though.
[34:23] Speaker 2: They got hurt. But they also got hurt Christmas.
[34:26] Speaker 7: Like, they had, everybody's healthy.
[34:29] Speaker 2: But still, if you still got Drew there, you still
[34:31] Speaker 2: got Giannis. It's a difference. You know what I'm saying?
[34:35] Speaker 2: I think the issues they had were Drew Holiday in
[34:37] Speaker 2: the playoffs. Couldn't score. Couldn't score, yeah. But that's what
[34:42] Speaker 2: I'm saying. We don't have the scores anymore. Middleton's out.
[34:45] Speaker 2: You're the number one option, and you're not doing very well.
[34:49] Speaker 2: This was in the playoffs.
[34:50] Speaker 4: The three games, Giannis missed.
[34:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah drew was horrible. I heard it. I heard
[34:58] Speaker 2: it's always Chris was planning them game.
[35:00] Speaker 4: That's small We had 33 a couple.
[35:02] Speaker 3: Like I heard that small way of thinking that they
[35:04] Speaker 3: were thinking yes But what drew is as a basketball
[35:07] Speaker 3: player that's winning bad training.
[35:10] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm training day for you Yeah, that's that's right.
[35:13] Speaker 4: But cool.
[35:14] Speaker 2: That's cool. I'm not doing this.
[35:16] Speaker 5: But the thing was I Drew won it one again,
[35:18] Speaker 5: didn't he? They figured with their defensive players, they needed
[35:21] Speaker 5: more defense.
[35:23] Speaker 2: They needed more offense. As a fifth option, come on,
[35:26] Speaker 2: don't do that.
[35:27] Speaker 4: They needed Middleton.
[35:28] Speaker 2: Come on, kid, don't do that. He was running around.
[35:32] Speaker 2: Doing that serious?
[35:33] Speaker 5: I'm saying with Boston, like the players that he played with?
[35:37] Speaker 4: No, for sure.
[35:39] Speaker 2: Did he do a job in walking when he.
[35:40] Speaker 4: Was in Boston?
[35:42] Speaker 2: Yes, as the third option, right? Yes, as the third option.
[35:46] Speaker 2: Who with that?
[35:47] Speaker 4: Being a complete basketball player?
[35:49] Speaker 2: I don't expect that from him. So how are we
[35:51] Speaker 2: going to win it then?
[35:52] Speaker 4: The same way y'all won it before. We haven't won
[35:54] Speaker 4: it the last two years. I expect him to be
[35:57] Speaker 4: who he is, right?
[35:59] Speaker 3: I expect him to be who he is, a leader,
[36:02] Speaker 3: a defender. Knock down shots when he's cool and dope.
[36:06] Speaker 4: Yes, all of them. Yes.
[36:07] Speaker 3: But for him to go out and be like, damn,
[36:09] Speaker 3: he out. I got to go score 35 a night.
[36:12] Speaker 2: That ain't.
[36:13] Speaker 4: No.
[36:13] Speaker 7: But even him trying.
[36:14] Speaker 2: But then you're going to have Chris Middleton that's not
[36:16] Speaker 2: in there. So we need.
[36:17] Speaker 4: He played all five games. But he played. He played
[36:19] Speaker 4: all five games.
[36:20] Speaker 7: Average 23 a game.
[36:21] Speaker 2: When they lost to Miami? Miami, yes. So because of
[36:25] Speaker 2: his performance. They felt that we need someone better.
[36:30] Speaker 4: Drew averaged 17.
[36:32] Speaker 2: 17. And what did Jimmy Bullard average? 19. What did
[36:34] Speaker 2: Jimmy Bullard average? The last three games. Look at his performance.
[36:37] Speaker 2: For who? Drew? Yeah. For who?
[36:39] Speaker 5: And that's why they wanted someone who was more stable
[36:42] Speaker 5: in the playoffs.
[36:44] Speaker 2: Did that thing in the playoffs. What's more stable than
[36:46] Speaker 2: helping you win a championship?
[36:47] Speaker 7: Two years ago, we're talking about today.
[36:50] Speaker 4: It's the same guy.
[36:51] Speaker 2: We're talking about the next two postseasons. We need someone
[36:55] Speaker 2: who can do that in the playoffs.
[36:56] Speaker 4: I'm not rolling. I'm not rolling.
[36:58] Speaker 5: So they said we're going to upgrade our offense and
[37:01] Speaker 5: slack on the defense.
[37:02] Speaker 2: Now, this is the problem. They went into the season,
[37:05] Speaker 2: and this.
[37:05] Speaker 5: Is why I say I hate people who just target
[37:08] Speaker 5: stats and not tell the whole picture. So if y'all
[37:10] Speaker 5: remember the beginning of the season, while they were winning,
[37:13] Speaker 5: they kept saying, oh, the defense is worse than last year.
[37:17] Speaker 2: They're worse than last year. That was the push.
[37:20] Speaker 4: Okay.
[37:21] Speaker 5: The problem with that was is the offense was seven
[37:27] Speaker 5: to eight points more. Their defense was down, so they
[37:29] Speaker 5: was actually plus three. From last year to this year.
[37:33] Speaker 2: So they were actually a better team, but everyone focused
[37:36] Speaker 2: so much on the offense.
[37:38] Speaker 5: That's why Doc was able to say, oh, man, it's
[37:41] Speaker 5: the defense. Y'all ain't playing no defense.
[37:44] Speaker 2: No, they're playing better offense.
[37:45] Speaker 7: So you're talking about Adrian Griffin's year, though.
[37:48] Speaker 2: Yes.
[37:48] Speaker 6: I'm talking about the bull hoser when Chris and Drew
[37:53] Speaker 6: was there. And the reason Drew is the perfect guy
[37:57] Speaker 6: for that situation, we don't move on Drew, is not
[38:00] Speaker 6: because he couldn't score. Because before, the two years prior
[38:04] Speaker 6: to the championship, he was being who he is. Because
[38:08] Speaker 6: we still got Chris averaging 23. We got Giannis doing
[38:10] Speaker 6: his 30 ball. But when Giannis goes down, we need
[38:15] Speaker 6: extra boost that they're looking for Drew. This is unconventional
[38:19] Speaker 6: for us to be like, all right. We're depending on
[38:21] Speaker 6: Drew to give us now 25. We're going to do
[38:23] Speaker 6: what we can while Giannis is out. But that next year,
[38:26] Speaker 6: to get off of him in that summer, to say
[38:28] Speaker 6: we're going to go for the explosion side, we're going
[38:31] Speaker 6: to go all offense now, you're getting rid of the
[38:33] Speaker 6: championship-style defense that brought you to this prominence. That's going
[38:37] Speaker 6: to change everything. So Adrian Griffin, the defensive coach, he
[38:40] Speaker 6: comes in, he says, let's play defense. Who really doesn't
[38:44] Speaker 6: play defense like that? The guy they brought in. And
[38:50] Speaker 6: we all talked about what happened when he came in.
[38:52] Speaker 6: It was like they're giving up something that Dame can't replace.
[38:57] Speaker 6: He can't replace that anchor because you called him the anchor.
[39:00] Speaker 6: Drew was the anchor for that. He's the first line
[39:02] Speaker 6: of defense. Giannis and Brooke is the back line. So
[39:05] Speaker 6: if you got a guy who can't get past these
[39:07] Speaker 6: guys to get back there, you good. Dame is letting
[39:10] Speaker 6: them go. It broke down the defense. Adrian now has
[39:13] Speaker 6: accountability for these guys.
[39:14] Speaker 7: Like, hey, look, come on, guys. We got it. Whether
[39:18] Speaker 7: it's the messaging or whether the team, nobody could take it.
[39:21] Speaker 4: It don't matter. But it broke down everything.
[39:23] Speaker 5: What I'm saying is they were mathematically better.
[39:26] Speaker 2: They were. They were better on offense.
[39:29] Speaker 5: No, but they're giving up three more points, but they're
[39:32] Speaker 5: scoring six more points. So they're mathematically just a better team.
[39:36] Speaker 4: They got what they asked for.
[39:38] Speaker 5: But because the media and everyone was throwing so much
[39:41] Speaker 5: on the defensive end, it's easy for someone to come
[39:44] Speaker 5: and say, hey, man, the defense, you know I'm a
[39:46] Speaker 5: defense coach. I can lock these people down. I can
[39:49] Speaker 5: make the place a better defense.
[39:50] Speaker 2: And you remember what I said. And it was like,
[39:52] Speaker 2: the defense is better.
[39:54] Speaker 5: When Doc first came, they were like, the defense is better.
[39:58] Speaker 5: And I was like, no, they're not scoring anymore. They're
[40:02] Speaker 5: slowing the ball down. They were scoring 122 before. They
[40:05] Speaker 5: were scoring 122 before. Now they're scoring 116. So he's
[40:10] Speaker 5: putting less possessions in there. So the offense, the defense,
[40:15] Speaker 5: they don't score as much.
[40:16] Speaker 4: So it's pretend. It's pretend defense. That's his formula, too.
[40:22] Speaker 2: It looks like you're playing better.
[40:23] Speaker 5: All you did is just slow the game down so
[40:26] Speaker 5: they don't score more points, but you're not doing anything,
[40:29] Speaker 5: and you got 17 and 19.
[40:31] Speaker 6: But look at the opponent's scoring against him and what
[40:34] Speaker 6: did that do to their offense when you talk about
[40:36] Speaker 6: Dame and Giannis what is Giannis strong suit when you
[40:39] Speaker 6: talk about what they were doing fast play fast play
[40:42] Speaker 6: fast now Doc is saying no no no let's play
[40:45] Speaker 6: half court basketball you and Dame y'all getting a pick
[40:48] Speaker 6: and it's like well it don't work because Giannis really
[40:51] Speaker 6: used to getting the ball and doing his own thing
[40:53] Speaker 6: he's a ball stopper You got Brooke lifted on the side.
[40:56] Speaker 6: You got Chris just waiting, waiting for Dame to do
[40:59] Speaker 6: what he do. Dame don't know whether he want to
[41:01] Speaker 6: do it or not. He, everybody's trying to please everybody.
[41:04] Speaker 6: And Doc is not the type of coach who just
[41:06] Speaker 6: come in and set the record straight. So everybody just discombobulated.
[41:10] Speaker 8: I can't be mad at it though. I mean, you
[41:11] Speaker 8: got a top 75 player coming to Milwaukee.
[41:14] Speaker 2: Like, John Horton, like, I can't be mad at him.
[41:16] Speaker 2: I understand why. Like, the gamble was great. To me,
[41:21] Speaker 2: it just didn't fall. But it did.
[41:23] Speaker 5: If you're 30 and 13 and these guys didn't really
[41:25] Speaker 5: have no training, they didn't really. And this is the
[41:29] Speaker 5: start of my season.
[41:30] Speaker 4: 30 and 13?
[41:31] Speaker 2: I'm good.
[41:32] Speaker 4: No, for sure. They were in third.
[41:34] Speaker 2: Like, I'm good. This is. Because, remember, we were still
[41:37] Speaker 2: asking the question. Okay.
[41:39] Speaker 4: Drew.
[41:41] Speaker 5: Drew Holiday, they lose Drew Holiday, which was considered a
[41:45] Speaker 5: net guy, right? And I don't think they studied enough
[41:49] Speaker 5: tape on him to actually see what the fuck he does.
[41:52] Speaker 7: For sure.
[41:52] Speaker 2: The game changes. That's what you was talking about. Because
[41:55] Speaker 2: people didn't realize... Wait a minute. He made defense Giannis
[42:00] Speaker 2: and Lopez.
[42:01] Speaker 4: You remove him, where the fuck was they defense at?
[42:03] Speaker 4: For sure. Where's they defense at?
[42:08] Speaker 5: And the problem that they didn't see was Drew paid
[42:14] Speaker 5: attention to everything. He could have Steph Curry over there.
[42:20] Speaker 5: If he sees something going on and they're looking at
[42:23] Speaker 5: a play, he will leave a man because.
[42:25] Speaker 2: He knows you're not trying to pass him. I'm going
[42:28] Speaker 2: to leave and go this way.
[42:29] Speaker 5: He did a lot of things that you have to
[42:33] Speaker 5: be entwined with defense to do. You don't see a
[42:35] Speaker 5: lot of defenders even do what he does. So, he
[42:39] Speaker 5: was a guy who cleaned up a lot.
[42:41] Speaker 2: Usually, it's a big man. Usually, it's a big man.
[42:43] Speaker 5: You've never really seen a guard do that much cleaning up. So,
[42:47] Speaker 5: it made those guys look better on defense, too.
[42:49] Speaker 2: I've only seen two.
[42:50] Speaker 4: Him and J.
[42:50] Speaker 2: Kidd. Oh, J. Kidd.
[42:52] Speaker 4: They're like Mike Bax.
[42:53] Speaker 2: I've only seen two. Him and J.
[42:55] Speaker 4: Kidd.
[42:56] Speaker 2: Like, that shit.
[42:57] Speaker 4: Sit back there and just quarterback. He could be guarding
[42:59] Speaker 4: Reggie Miller, though.
[42:59] Speaker 2: Yep.
[43:01] Speaker 3: And we'll tag some shit get us like what the
[43:04] Speaker 3: fuck no you guarding him he the best shooter.
[43:06] Speaker 2: In the game I got you bro I got.
[43:08] Speaker 3: You and that's what I see with Drew but like
[43:10] Speaker 3: I said B I understand what they were thinking but
[43:13] Speaker 3: I was watching everything that Gil just mentioned all the
[43:17] Speaker 3: shit that he made up for within the confines when
[43:21] Speaker 3: they wanted all the shit that he did for that
[43:25] Speaker 3: right Dame like I said Dame is who he is
[43:28] Speaker 3: like I'm top seven yes for sure I get what
[43:32] Speaker 3: the thought process was. But for me, I'm a Drew
[43:36] Speaker 3: Holiday guy from how he affects winning and losing.
[43:42] Speaker 4: That's all.
[43:43] Speaker 8: So say if they would have kept him, do you
[43:46] Speaker 8: think they're still in the same position they're in now?
[43:47] Speaker 4: Yes.
[43:48] Speaker 2: No. Losing? No.
[43:50] Speaker 3: I think them firing Boothoser was the first situation, right?
[43:54] Speaker 2: I think they'd still be in the same position.
[43:56] Speaker 4: They'd be eight. I don't think Doc would be out
[43:58] Speaker 4: of the job.
[44:00] Speaker 3: I just think it's a lot that came from that decision.
[44:03] Speaker 2: Okay. Right there. That's crazy. So you fired Boothoser in 2020?
[44:06] Speaker 3: Boothoser, then I think it's a– so Booth still had a–
[44:10] Speaker 3: I think Buggs.
[44:10] Speaker 2: Had his job. I think Marcus Mark. Well, Giannis don't
[44:13] Speaker 2: get hurt.
[44:13] Speaker 4: They was panicking, right?
[44:14] Speaker 2: They was panicking.
[44:14] Speaker 1: Giannis don't get hurt 2023. In theory, Buggs advanced at
[44:17] Speaker 1: least the second round. I don't know how they're going
[44:19] Speaker 1: beyond that. So you lose Buggs in 2023. Bring in Dame.
[44:22] Speaker 1: Giannis misses 2024 playoffs with a calf strain. Dame has
[44:25] Speaker 1: an Achilles injury 2024. Misses two games in that series.
[44:29] Speaker 2: Then you go 2025. Obviously, Dame tore ACL.
[44:32] Speaker 4: So....
[44:34] Speaker 2: Now you hamstring over your roster because the payroll.
[44:36] Speaker 7: But look, so look, you do this, right?
[44:38] Speaker 2: It's a lot.
[44:38] Speaker 4: But you haven't seen. But wait, you do this, right?
[44:40] Speaker 2: You're right.
[44:41] Speaker 7: But guess who on the other side of this is winning?
[44:46] Speaker 2: Drew Holiday.
[44:47] Speaker 6: He went from, I know what I do. He just
[44:50] Speaker 6: broke down about Drew Holiday, the reasons why you would
[44:54] Speaker 6: actually bet on him. He went to another team that
[44:57] Speaker 6: needed this to win.
[44:59] Speaker 2: Some pettiness from the Blazers side, if I'm not mistaken. No, no,
[45:02] Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Celtics. But what I'm saying, you
[45:03] Speaker 2: get them to the Blazers.
[45:04] Speaker 4: Oh, yes.
[45:05] Speaker 2: And then, yes, yes.
[45:08] Speaker 6: And we get this, this one piece that everyone's overlooking,
[45:11] Speaker 6: like this is the type of guy that we need
[45:13] Speaker 6: to take us over the top with a.
[45:15] Speaker 7: Defensive-minded Jalen Brown.
[45:17] Speaker 6: A defensive-minded Derek White, and you got a Przingis, who
[45:23] Speaker 6: is also a defensive like a Brooke Lopez type.
[45:26] Speaker 4: So you're like, oh, we can do this.
[45:29] Speaker 7: I feel like Drew Holiday.
[45:30] Speaker 6: Is probably one of the most, if not the most,
[45:33] Speaker 6: underrated basketball players that came out of the 2010 era
[45:39] Speaker 6: where you go in there 6'4, he does everything, he's
[45:43] Speaker 6: a student.
[45:44] Speaker 2: Of the game.
[45:45] Speaker 6: And he went and proved it in two championships to
[45:47] Speaker 6: be a point guard, to go out there.
[45:49] Speaker 2: And be what you needed to be for the team. Yeah.
[45:52] Speaker 1: So, I mean, there was some overall pettiness, right? Dane
[45:54] Speaker 1: wants to get out of Portland. Sam to the Bucs.
[45:57] Speaker 1: Trey Drew to the Blazers. Blazers pay a few bucks.
[46:00] Speaker 1: Trade them to the Celtics. Now you build a Celtics
[46:02] Speaker 1: team that goes on to win the championship.
[46:04] Speaker 2: Get your shit together. Get your shit together.
[46:07] Speaker 4: Get your shit together.
[46:07] Speaker 2: Get your shit together. Like, even with Drew, like, the
[46:14] Speaker 2: thing why they got rid of him, they needed more offense.
[46:17] Speaker 4: Um....
[46:19] Speaker 2: That championship team had more defense, too. They scored 117,
[46:22] Speaker 2: so they scored a lot.
[46:22] Speaker 4: Um.
[46:27] Speaker 2: it's all the.
[46:27] Speaker 12: Defensive players that they had that actually could trip.
[46:30] Speaker 5: So, like, you're talking about, I didn't even know DiVincenzo
[46:32] Speaker 5: was on that team. But, you know, you got PJ.
[46:35] Speaker 2: Matt Connaughton. Yeah, you got PJ.
[46:37] Speaker 5: So, you got PJ out there playing nothing but defense.
[46:40] Speaker 5: Giannis Lopez and Drew Holiday.
[46:43] Speaker 2: Bobby. And Bobby.
[46:44] Speaker 5: So, like, think about everybody can hold their own defensively. So,
[46:48] Speaker 5: it's easy work for them. So when you start losing
[46:51] Speaker 5: more defensive players, and.
[46:52] Speaker 4: Now Drew, hey, score.
[46:54] Speaker 2: And he's like, hold on. 17.
[46:56] Speaker 4: I'm 17. Hey, cool. Championship team, 17. Giannis Lees, 17.
[47:01] Speaker 4: Find you another. You want more points? Find you another, motherfucker.
[47:05] Speaker 2: I'm at 17.
[47:05] Speaker 4: My number's 17 right there. I'm Tobias Harris, nigga. My
[47:08] Speaker 4: number 15. Hey, my number 15.
[47:11] Speaker 6: He go from New Orleans, though, average 19, 21, and
[47:15] Speaker 6: 19 in New Orleans the last three years to come
[47:18] Speaker 6: to Milwaukee to get Three straight all defensive. Three straight
[47:25] Speaker 6: at this team with someone like him, Giannis, back there
[47:28] Speaker 6: with him that's complimenting him.
[47:30] Speaker 7: Three straight in the voting for defensive player of the year.
[47:34] Speaker 6: Three straight. He's averaging seven. Like you just said, 17, 18,
[47:38] Speaker 6: and 19. How much more solid do you want the
[47:42] Speaker 6: guy to be? And he's averaging seven assists, four rebounds.
[47:47] Speaker 6: As just a solid point. He's solid.
[47:51] Speaker 2: Those moves don't get made, at least in my opinion, without.
[47:55] Speaker 7: Somebody got to get the approval.
[47:57] Speaker 2: Here come signs when you're struggling out there. You're struggling offensively.
[48:01] Speaker 2: Motherfucker's sitting in that lane.
[48:03] Speaker 4: You remember who they play?
[48:03] Speaker 5: Miami, right? Miami put that wall up on Giannis, and
[48:07] Speaker 5: I need somebody to pass it to.
[48:09] Speaker 4: You got to shoot more.
[48:10] Speaker 2: I dig it. Right? You get frustrated in the series.
[48:13] Speaker 4: I dig it.
[48:13] Speaker 2: Right? And we know what happens.
[48:15] Speaker 7: And what's the frustration?
[48:16] Speaker 2: Huh?
[48:17] Speaker 6: What's the frustration when you come to, like, he wants
[48:19] Speaker 6: somebody to shoot for him, but you're depending on the coach.
[48:21] Speaker 5: I need someone else to score to relieve so they
[48:22] Speaker 5: can stop triple teaming me, dog.
[48:23] Speaker 6: But you need the coach to actually put something into play, right?
[48:27] Speaker 4: You need the coach to actually put something into play.
[48:29] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[48:30] Speaker 4: Make something.
[48:30] Speaker 2: Make something.
[48:31] Speaker 4: Hey, man, going to the timeout.
[48:32] Speaker 2: Hey, man, you got to draw something up. God damn, man.
[48:35] Speaker 2: These motherfuckers. You start looking at me. Y'all got to
[48:37] Speaker 2: make some shots.
[48:39] Speaker 4: Man, did you see this wall? This wall.
[48:42] Speaker 2: I can't run through the wall. I got a bone bruise.
[48:45] Speaker 2: I got a knee bruise. I don't want to play
[48:47] Speaker 2: this team.
[48:47] Speaker 6: So what you're saying though, if you're saying, he's saying,
[48:52] Speaker 6: I need somebody to hit some shots.
[48:53] Speaker 4: Yes.
[48:54] Speaker 7: That means that in the summer.
[48:55] Speaker 2: Yeah. I know just who to call.
[48:57] Speaker 4: I need somebody to hit some shots. Hey, Drew, you
[48:59] Speaker 4: my mans and all.
[49:01] Speaker 2: Love you.
[49:01] Speaker 4: You cool. I come in the locker room, give you
[49:05] Speaker 4: the hug.
[49:05] Speaker 2: You cool. Been there before. So I know what it
[49:09] Speaker 2: looks like.
[49:11] Speaker 4: I know what it looks like.
[49:12] Speaker 5: You out there, you get triple team and you can't
[49:14] Speaker 5: get your offense up because they got this solid defense
[49:17] Speaker 5: and you need guys to do their job.
[49:20] Speaker 2: And you don't have shooters. So your defensive players start
[49:25] Speaker 2: looking like, you know what? Yeah. I don't need this
[49:30] Speaker 2: much defense on my team. It's your ass. So you
[49:32] Speaker 2: start doing that. Yeah. Well, let's keep this thing moving.
[49:35] Speaker 4: I don't need this much defense. God damn it. Fuck that.
[49:39] Speaker 2: All this defense is messing up my scoring when they
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[50:28] Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Gil.
[50:29] Speaker 11: You said something about the Dodgers. The Los Angeles Dodgers.
[50:35] Speaker 11: So baseball is back. Baseball is back. You didn't see
[50:38] Speaker 11: it last night? They're going three-peat. Baseball being good to me.
[50:44] Speaker 11: When did they come back? When did they come back?
[50:47] Speaker 11: A couple weeks ago. A couple weeks ago.
[50:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. This is America's pastime, right? This is supposed to
[50:53] Speaker 2: be like a big major sport. Oh, it is. And
[50:55] Speaker 2: we don't see it. We don't know about it. We
[50:56] Speaker 2: don't know that. You don't. Lindsey's in baseball.
[50:58] Speaker 4: We are.
[50:58] Speaker 5: I was at the H2 last night.
[51:03] Speaker 4: You don't.
[51:04] Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
[51:05] Speaker 4: You don't know what baseball is. Where is the talk
[51:08] Speaker 4: of it? Everybody. It's out there.
[51:10] Speaker 2: No, no, no. What I'm saying is. Don't leave your house.
[51:12] Speaker 5: Why do they pretend that basketball don't run sports talk?
[51:17] Speaker 5: Why are we pretending that? It is football right now, right?
[51:20] Speaker 5: There's drafts going on, right? There's free agencies, right? LeBron James,
[51:26] Speaker 5: Kevin Durant, that's all we want to talk about.
[51:28] Speaker 2: Even Bronny. Listen, they can talk this football shit all
[51:32] Speaker 2: they want to talk in the world of sports, but
[51:37] Speaker 2: basketball is the talk. You can see the players' faces.
[51:41] Speaker 2: I didn't even.
[51:41] Speaker 5: Realize baseball was back or there was football drafts coming up.
[51:45] Speaker 6: I'm going to be honest, Gil. Baseball don't need advertisement, man.
[51:49] Speaker 6: They got certain fan bases that don't move. They got
[51:51] Speaker 6: show heads. Hey, they got certain guys that literally don't
[51:55] Speaker 6: need to broadcast. When you see the motherfucking tickets go up,
[51:58] Speaker 6: they sold out. Ain't even no promotion for it. Baseball
[52:02] Speaker 6: been around before Abe.
[52:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jackie Robinson Day coming up soon? It's a lot.
[52:12] Speaker 4: It's a lot.
[52:12] Speaker 6: Now, I get what you're saying because basketball controls the algorithm.
[52:16] Speaker 2: Because what happens when... Because negativity.
[52:20] Speaker 5: When June 30th, when that comes, and the championship is
[52:25] Speaker 5: over with, why is there a dead period?
[52:28] Speaker 4: Sports?
[52:29] Speaker 2: In sports media. Why is there a dead period? We're
[52:32] Speaker 2: gearing up for summer league, Gil.
[52:34] Speaker 6: Why is there a dead period in sports, baseball, and football?
[52:38] Speaker 6: Baseball is boring. But they still watch it because they
[52:43] Speaker 6: love it. They love it, but it's boring. Dead to
[52:47] Speaker 6: the motherfucker, right?
[52:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. Baseball is boring. You get a ticket in damn
[52:52] Speaker 2: near August. K-Mart just got a ticket for speeding. News.
[52:58] Speaker 2: 56 over 55.
[52:59] Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a minute. Why are y'all talking about baseball?
[53:02] Speaker 2: No, no.
[53:02] Speaker 4: They got nothing.
[53:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[53:07] Speaker 4: But other sports is going on.
[53:09] Speaker 2: Okay. All right.
[53:10] Speaker 1: But there is a hardcore sector of baseball fans. Baseball
[53:12] Speaker 1: is boring, like you said, but once you learn the sport,
[53:15] Speaker 1: it's actually quite entertaining.
[53:16] Speaker 2: No, it is.
[53:17] Speaker 6: You get a lot more Hispanic friends if you go
[53:19] Speaker 6: to the Dodgers.
[53:20] Speaker 2: Games, bro.
[53:21] Speaker 4: Everybody bonds over a friend.
[53:22] Speaker 2: Everybody. A Dodger doll, is it?
[53:25] Speaker 7: They are the most loyal. It's different, bro.
[53:29] Speaker 2: It's like.
[53:29] Speaker 6: I love baseball. I be playing the show 2026. I
[53:31] Speaker 6: be playing that shit every day. But that shit, it's
[53:34] Speaker 6: a different love of the sport. You got to actually
[53:37] Speaker 6: be in tune with it. to be able to be
[53:39] Speaker 6: outside in that hot-ass sun for fucking three and a
[53:41] Speaker 6: half hours. Like, you got to be dedicated to that shit.
[53:45] Speaker 6: And you don't want to be seeing niggas out there
[53:47] Speaker 6: like that. Niggas don't support that shit like that. They'll
[53:50] Speaker 6: go to a club if you got some work with you.
[53:51] Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying? Go check it out. But
[53:53] Speaker 6: for the most part... The black and Latino communities, that
[53:56] Speaker 6: is the one. I like hockey. They come together.
[54:02] Speaker 2: I just... I'm just asking... Sports Center stuff like that, right? Yeah, right.
[54:13] Speaker 2: Those are the most famous people, right? Have you ever
[54:16] Speaker 2: noticed none of them is famous for football takes or
[54:20] Speaker 2: baseball takes or any those guys who get famous and
[54:24] Speaker 2: Have you noticed is always talking the basketball topics and they're.
[54:28] Speaker 5: Attacking the basketball players?
[54:31] Speaker 2: Have y'all never noticed that? Like when you look at
[54:33] Speaker 2: the numbers, if you go to the individual pages, usually
[54:36] Speaker 2: when you see millions, million views, it's a basketball player
[54:40] Speaker 2: they're talking about.
[54:41] Speaker 5: When they're talking about their sport, 40, 57.
[54:45] Speaker 7: They family people. They don't do shit.
[54:47] Speaker 2: They clean.
[54:49] Speaker 4: They clean. They wear helmets. Yeah, you don't know who
[54:51] Speaker 4: they are. I'm just saying. They clean, man. They well-spoken.
[54:54] Speaker 2: I'd be looking at it, and I'd just be trying
[54:56] Speaker 2: to figure out, like.
[54:58] Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure it's the same as college or the
[54:59] Speaker 1: same as your adult life. When you go to the club,
[55:01] Speaker 1: you show up to the club, they know who you are.
[55:02] Speaker 1: Football dudes wear helmets. You have to tell them who
[55:05] Speaker 1: they are. They get called by their numbers. In baseball,
[55:07] Speaker 1: they don't have baby mamas and shit like that.
[55:08] Speaker 2: They ain't allowed. They ain't allowed. Not publicly.
[55:12] Speaker 4: Not publicly. Not publicly. Not publicly.
[55:16] Speaker 2: No, because they all over the water. Yeah.
[55:18] Speaker 4: Not publicly. You would never know. Puerto Rican. Ohtani already
[55:24] Speaker 4: got about five baby mamas. We have no idea.
[55:26] Speaker 2: That nigga is active. Hey, what is Aaron Judd?
[55:29] Speaker 9: Hey, y'all can say I'm tripping all the time, but
[55:31] Speaker 9: don't worry.
[55:32] Speaker 2: I'm going to point it out when.
[55:33] Speaker 4: Basketball season's over. He is black. He's black, bro. Aaron Judd.
[55:37] Speaker 2: I'm going to point it out during basketball season when
[55:40] Speaker 2: the season's over. All right, well, let's shift back to
[55:43] Speaker 2: some basketball discourse.
[55:45] Speaker 1: Spurs came through with their first 60-win season since 2017
[55:49] Speaker 1: as Wimby just reached the 65-game minimum. Only played 64
[55:52] Speaker 1: regular season games, but played in the NBA Cup Championship
[55:55] Speaker 1: which does not count for stats, but did count towards
[55:57] Speaker 1: his 65 game total. So, Wimby likely to take home
[56:00] Speaker 1: his first defensive play.
[56:01] Speaker 4: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[56:02] Speaker 2: I knew that was going to get y'all turnt up.
[56:04] Speaker 4: Whoa. Can you say it again? Whoa.
[56:08] Speaker 1: Played 64 regular season basketball games. Spurs made the NBA
[56:11] Speaker 1: Cup championship. The NBA Cup does not count towards your
[56:14] Speaker 1: regular season wins or loss totals or your stats total,
[56:17] Speaker 1: but does count as a game for your 65 game.
[56:20] Speaker 2: That's bullshit. I didn't do anything for that man.
[56:24] Speaker 4: I know bullshit when I hear it. Hey, that's kill.
[56:28] Speaker 2: They just put that up under there.
[56:29] Speaker 4: Hey, what? Ah, ah. Ah, ah, ah.
[56:33] Speaker 2: Hold on, he did play. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Okay. So. Yeah.
[56:40] Speaker 3: The stats don't count, but the game count how? Make
[56:43] Speaker 3: that shit make sense. You playing the game, but the
[56:46] Speaker 3: shit don't count. Gave him the opportunity to duck Joker.
[56:50] Speaker 4: So my stats?
[56:54] Speaker 5: Are off 65 games, but they're using 64.
[56:57] Speaker 1: That's I believe are off your 64 games, but they're
[57:00] Speaker 1: using that NBA Cup championship as a 65th game.
[57:04] Speaker 2: Because only two teams made it. It does not count
[57:06] Speaker 2: towards your.
[57:07] Speaker 3: So the game don't count. Your numbers don't count. So
[57:11] Speaker 3: you might as well. Why are you playing the game then?
[57:13] Speaker 3: If the numbers don't count. You get that 500 racks.
[57:14] Speaker 4: That's it.
[57:14] Speaker 2: 500 francs. So we already got a loophole. Yeah. And
[57:21] Speaker 2: you don't think the rest.
[57:22] Speaker 5: Of the players that got 64 games or someone like
[57:25] Speaker 5: Luka or someone like KK, you don't think they're going
[57:29] Speaker 5: to use this as a complaint?
[57:32] Speaker 2: Absolutely. Make the championship. The NBA Cup means something, Gil. Yeah.
[57:37] Speaker 1: They just stopped caring once the Lakers won the first one.
[57:39] Speaker 1: They tried to act like it did.
[57:40] Speaker 2: If my stats don't count, my game don't.
[57:42] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[57:43] Speaker 2: But you get that extra $ 500, 000. So does that count
[57:44] Speaker 2: in your heart? In Vegas. I saw some shit today
[57:49] Speaker 2: about Bruce Brown. I'm like, come on, man.
[57:51] Speaker 4: Played all 82 games. Come on, man.
[57:52] Speaker 2: Would not be eligible. Come on, man. Based on the
[57:54] Speaker 2: 65-game criteria.
[57:56] Speaker 3: Because he didn't play 20 minutes in some of the games.
[57:58] Speaker 3: That's some bullshit. Oh, that's crazy. He can play all
[58:01] Speaker 3: 82 games and you tell me some of my games
[58:03] Speaker 3: don't count?
[58:04] Speaker 2: One of 18 players would do that.
[58:06] Speaker 8: Wait, he played all 82 because he.
[58:08] Speaker 2: Didn't play a minimum of 20 minutes. Because he didn't
[58:09] Speaker 2: play 20 minutes in some of the games that don't count.
[58:14] Speaker 2: That's fucked up. We're learning a lot.
[58:15] Speaker 1: Our team producer Baron Dam said that the All-Star game
[58:18] Speaker 1: should count too as a game.
[58:20] Speaker 4: Might as well. Might as fucking well. You made me
[58:23] Speaker 4: play the game, god damn it. Shit, preseason? It's a paycheck.
[58:34] Speaker 4: You get paid for it. They added it to the paycheck.
[58:38] Speaker 2: Technically, preseason should count because if you get in a
[58:42] Speaker 2: fight in preseason, you get suspended for a regular season.
[58:48] Speaker 2: So you can get in a fight game one in preseason.
[58:52] Speaker 2: You allowed to keep playing all the preseason games to
[58:55] Speaker 2: then miss a regular season game.
[58:58] Speaker 7: So that should be where you can knock niggas out at.
[59:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. Technically. And play the next game.
[59:04] Speaker 9: And play the next game.
[59:07] Speaker 4: We got to back to back. We got to back
[59:08] Speaker 4: to back.
[59:09] Speaker 2: Knock your ass out today.
[59:10] Speaker 4: And tomorrow. Yeah, today and tomorrow. Both days.
[59:13] Speaker 2: Sick. That's wild, though.
[59:15] Speaker 1: So, Wimby, 65-game eligible. Likely to take home his first
[59:18] Speaker 1: defensive player of the year.
[59:20] Speaker 2: He's not eligible for it. He only played 64 games.
[59:22] Speaker 1: But also probably going to make his first All-NBA team.
[59:24] Speaker 1: Likely a first-team selection.
[59:26] Speaker 4: Dang, that's... But.
[59:27] Speaker 2: Why you ain't say MVP?
[59:28] Speaker 6: Uh-huh.
[59:30] Speaker 2: He doesn't have the support of the players or the media. Well,
[59:32] Speaker 2: he has the support of me. I'm just letting you know.
[59:34] Speaker 4: That ain't enough.
[59:35] Speaker 7: There's plenty.
[59:36] Speaker 2: Top three most hated.
[59:37] Speaker 7: Top three.
[59:38] Speaker 2: Hate, hate, hate.
[59:39] Speaker 8: So you see his minutes played? He got way less
[59:43] Speaker 8: minutes too, Wimby, out of everybody.
[59:45] Speaker 2: It's called efficiency. That's what I'm saying.
[59:47] Speaker 7: It's called efficiency.
[59:48] Speaker 2: He only played 27 minutes a night, 28 minutes a night.
[59:50] Speaker 4: Efficiency.
[59:51] Speaker 2: So, when are we going to win those awards?
[59:53] Speaker 1: San Antonio tricked off an opportunity to make their playoff
[59:55] Speaker 1: road easier in the final game of the season against
[59:58] Speaker 1: the Nuggets. Denver rested most of their roster, only played
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: Jokic 18 minutes to get him awards eligible. He played
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: 65 games this season. While the Spurs have four of
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: their five regular starters, with Wimby sitting the game out,
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: a Spurs win would have dropped the Nuggets to the
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: fourth in the West, but now the Spurs face the
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: possibility of having to go through both the Nuggets and
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: Thunder if they want to reach their first Finals.
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: Since 2014.
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: Spurs were 4-1 against the Thunder this season, but just
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: 1-3 against the Nuggets with three of those losses coming
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: during the Spurs League Best 30-4 stretch since February 1st.
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: Wimby did not play in two of those games. So Gil,
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: we'll start with you. Did the Spurs play themselves by
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: letting the Nuggets get the three seed?
[1:00:42] Speaker 5: I can't say they played themselves. I don't think they
[1:00:49] Speaker 5: thought the Nuggets was going to basically tank the game.
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: Like, I mean, remember, everything is before the game. Shit, no,
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: Nikola had to play that game. No, no, so Nikola
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: had to play, so you're like, okay. You know what
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: I mean?
[1:01:08] Speaker 5: If they win, they win. Nikola's playing. We sitting our guy.
[1:01:12] Speaker 5: If I know he was just going to play only
[1:01:13] Speaker 5: a few minutes, then sit, and everybody else is going
[1:01:15] Speaker 5: to sit, then in hindsight, as.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: You play chess... Yes, you will want this win. But
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: they knew that.
[1:01:22] Speaker 4: They knew that.
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: They knew Joker was just going to get to the
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: 65-game threshold. I'm just saying the new ones are going
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: to play the whole game.
[1:01:28] Speaker 5: And they probably thought their team is better than theirs.
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: If you watch the fourth quarter of that game.
[1:01:34] Speaker 5: If York is going to leave, our team without Wimby.
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: Is still better than theirs.
[1:01:41] Speaker 5: So instead of just actually just capitalizing on it and
[1:01:45] Speaker 5: securing that win, so the road is a little bit easier.
[1:01:50] Speaker 5: You know what I mean? If you can do it again,
[1:01:55] Speaker 5: I'm probably sure that they're going to play Wimby and
[1:01:57] Speaker 5: try to get that win.
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: But if you think that.
[1:02:03] Speaker 5: You are going to go and then battle seven games
[1:02:07] Speaker 5: against Denver and Jokic, which Jokic is going to beat
[1:02:10] Speaker 5: Wimby up, to then go and play the defending champs,
[1:02:16] Speaker 5: and then have enough for the championship, usually that's how
[1:02:21] Speaker 5: East Coast teams win, is the West Coast beats each
[1:02:24] Speaker 5: other up, and then it's easier for them. So that's
[1:02:26] Speaker 5: really how you flip-flop. So this looks like, depending on
[1:02:32] Speaker 5: who gets there, Boston could possibly win this out. Boston
[1:02:40] Speaker 5: could possibly win this out because of this right here.
[1:02:44] Speaker 5: Because of this lineup where Denver and Spurs got to play,
[1:02:48] Speaker 5: then whoever plays in the second round, then whoever plays
[1:02:52] Speaker 5: got to play the defending champs next.
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: We're not scared of them niggas.
[1:02:57] Speaker 4: We're not scared of them. We're not scared of them.
[1:03:00] Speaker 4: I mean, but Denver's been there before.
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: I mean, Denver's been a champion before.
[1:03:04] Speaker 4: We're not scared of them.
[1:03:05] Speaker 6: We're not scared of them or the Thunder.
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: No, no, I'm saying Denver's been to the championship.
[1:03:09] Speaker 4: You're just making that up. He announced that. Come on, man.
[1:03:12] Speaker 4: He's ducking nothing, man.
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: He's ducking nothing, man. I think the first place themselves.
[1:03:16] Speaker 4: Who is going to miss this game?
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: What you talking about? Who is going to miss this game?
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: What you talking about, man? I think the first place themselves, though.
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: I know they've been battle tested a lot, but.
[1:03:24] Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I mean, you know, Denver, they have,
[1:03:27] Speaker 8: you know, T-Bull's first round, but if Ant's not 100,
[1:03:29] Speaker 8: I still think they get past that.
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: But then, you know, you got that hog, that next one,
[1:03:34] Speaker 2: you know, and he, I mean, he's a champion. He's
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: been there, and you know what he's going to do, so.
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: Spurs are 1-2 against the Wolves this season, too. I
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: don't know if that does anything for you, but Ant, man.
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: Man, we ain't worried about that. Listen, listen, I'm telling you.
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: You know what?
[1:03:47] Speaker 4: We're not the Lakers. We're not trying to find the game.
[1:03:50] Speaker 2: Huh? Huh?
[1:03:53] Speaker 3: The Nuggets have won 11 straight games, right? Going into
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: the playoffs, they've won 11 straight games. They're playing fucking
[1:03:59] Speaker 3: great basketball right now.
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: So, yeah.
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: They're going to get out the first round. Good luck,
[1:04:06] Speaker 3: San Antonio, playing them in the second round. I think
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: you played yourself.
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: We don't need no luck.
[1:04:11] Speaker 4: They played themselves.
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: I think you played yourself. We don't need no luck.
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: They played themselves. And I averaged 37 against you in
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: regular season.
[1:04:16] Speaker 4: We don't care.
[1:04:17] Speaker 2: Regular season. We don't care about that.
[1:04:18] Speaker 5: And the difference between that is I play all the
[1:04:21] Speaker 5: minutes in the playoffs.
[1:04:22] Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: I play all the men. We play a lot over
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: here in the playoffs. It wouldn't be 29 minutes per game.
[1:04:30] Speaker 2: Say it again.
[1:04:32] Speaker 4: Say how many minutes again. 29.
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: And they got another big guy over there that they
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: can bring in, and I'll play them motherfuckers together at times.
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: I'm going to play Valatrunis and Jokic at the same time.
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: Valatrunis, get him. Come over here and get it. Come
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: over here and get all this.
[1:04:49] Speaker 5: For a team that's never made it in the playoffs
[1:04:51] Speaker 5: and you're a rookie, this was an opportunity for an
[1:04:57] Speaker 5: easier road because you would want to play in the
[1:05:00] Speaker 5: second round.
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: The Lakers or who would be in that?
[1:05:04] Speaker 4: Why?
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: Why?
[1:05:05] Speaker 4: Why? Why though?
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: We ain't supposed to be here. We ain't supposed to
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: be here. So it would have either been Lakers or Nuggets.
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: We ain't supposed to be here though.
[1:05:16] Speaker 7: So we're not going to try to take the easy
[1:05:17] Speaker 7: road because we're here now.
[1:05:19] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[1:05:20] Speaker 5: Right now, if you let... If you would have won,
[1:05:25] Speaker 5: they would have went to four. Nuggets would have dropped
[1:05:29] Speaker 5: to four. And Lakers would have went to three. Because
[1:05:30] Speaker 5: Lakers beat the Jazz. Both those games were on at
[1:05:32] Speaker 5: the same time. But you had to have a feeling
[1:05:34] Speaker 5: that Lakers were going to be able to dispose of it. Yeah,
[1:05:36] Speaker 5: so Lakers would have went to three. What's the name
[1:05:38] Speaker 5: of the one?
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: So.
[1:05:39] Speaker 5: So you'd have been playing most likely the Lakers in
[1:05:42] Speaker 5: the second round.
[1:05:45] Speaker 2: Don't matter. Don't matter.
[1:05:47] Speaker 4: Either one. Pick your poison. We cool.
[1:05:51] Speaker 5: Winby, you get the rest because you don't have a
[1:05:52] Speaker 5: big man that you have to worry about.
[1:05:54] Speaker 7: We don't need the rest.
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: We don't need to talk basketball. Basketball. Don't need the rest.
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: Those are the whole season. He's been restricted. Literally, he
[1:06:07] Speaker 2: just pointed out the minutes, right?
[1:06:09] Speaker 6: Wimby has the lowest minutes out of all the people
[1:06:11] Speaker 6: that have been non-eligible.
[1:06:13] Speaker 4: He literally had been managed.
[1:06:15] Speaker 7: To have a load, his whole minutes restriction go.
[1:06:19] Speaker 4: Up for this.
[1:06:20] Speaker 2: We do know he's going to do it.
[1:06:22] Speaker 4: He's going to do it. Talk with the unbiased.
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: Talk with the unbiased of it. Talk with the unbiased
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: of it. You don't know if he can do it.
[1:06:32] Speaker 5: You think you can play a regular season 27 minutes
[1:06:36] Speaker 5: and then play some 48s?
[1:06:38] Speaker 6: No, I ain't saying 48s. I'm saying 38s. We can
[1:06:41] Speaker 6: do 38s.
[1:06:41] Speaker 5: The best player in the world is who you're going against.
[1:06:44] Speaker 5: You're not going against Rui.
[1:06:47] Speaker 4: The last time.
[1:06:48] Speaker 6: We played against each other, I had 37, you had 40.
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to have that every night.
[1:06:54] Speaker 4: That's cool. But y'all barely won.
[1:06:57] Speaker 6: Y'all barely won that based on our guy missing a shot.
[1:07:00] Speaker 4: Our guy missed a little tippy. Like, we supposed to
[1:07:03] Speaker 4: win that game.
[1:07:04] Speaker 6: That wasn't supposed to be a lost game. So regardless
[1:07:09] Speaker 6: of all of that, regardless of all of that, when
[1:07:12] Speaker 6: we talking about these next games in the playoffs, we
[1:07:15] Speaker 6: are ready for that.
[1:07:16] Speaker 4: We're ready for that. We're ready for that.
[1:07:18] Speaker 10: But you talk about how the Spurs killed OKC, but
[1:07:21] Speaker 10: then they did that to the Spurs the same way
[1:07:24] Speaker 10: y'all did that to OKC.
[1:07:25] Speaker 2: Say what?
[1:07:25] Speaker 4: Tell them again, Nick.
[1:07:26] Speaker 10: The way you talk about the Spurs, how they killed OKC,
[1:07:29] Speaker 10: the Nuggets did that to the Spurs, though. What's the record?
[1:07:32] Speaker 7: One and three.
[1:07:33] Speaker 2: One and three. We didn't plan two of those. One
[1:07:35] Speaker 2: and three.
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: He ducking. He ducked two of them.
[1:07:39] Speaker 10: Jalen Williams didn't play. J.
[1:07:42] Speaker 4: Doug didn't play. J. Doug didn't play. So you don't
[1:07:46] Speaker 4: want to acknowledge the fact what the Nuggets are.
[1:07:47] Speaker 3: Doing to the Spurs, but you want us to acknowledge
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: what San Antonio is doing to OKC.
[1:07:52] Speaker 4: Without the main guy.
[1:07:53] Speaker 6: And what we're doing to OKC is with their main player.
[1:07:56] Speaker 4: What are you talking about? Jalen Williams didn't play. They
[1:08:01] Speaker 4: can make a shit up now. So you're giving him
[1:08:03] Speaker 4: an excuse you want to get with me. Jalen Williams
[1:08:05] Speaker 4: didn't play.
[1:08:05] Speaker 2: Y'all got your whole team. Okay, so we beat them.
[1:08:08] Speaker 4: And he ducking yo.
[1:08:08] Speaker 6: He ducked yo for four of the games.
[1:08:12] Speaker 4: Williams played three of those games. How about when he
[1:08:14] Speaker 4: playing Nicola? How about when he played? Do Nicola duck him?
[1:08:16] Speaker 2: No.
[1:08:17] Speaker 4: Yes, he do. Do he guard him? Huh?
[1:08:22] Speaker 8: Do we guard him?
[1:08:24] Speaker 4: What's the ducking? What's the ducking? Man, y'all ask me
[1:08:28] Speaker 4: to ask him.
[1:08:29] Speaker 6: Why don't Zoker guard him?
[1:08:31] Speaker 4: Is that ducking? But then you want to say, oh,
[1:08:34] Speaker 4: you ducked him a couple. Watch out. Watch out. Watch out.
[1:08:37] Speaker 4: Watch out. It's called game planning.
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: It ain't called ducking.
[1:08:46] Speaker 4: It's called game planning.
[1:08:47] Speaker 6: That means your ass don't want to come over here
[1:08:49] Speaker 6: and get your motherfucking face tore off. Go sit over
[1:08:51] Speaker 6: there and guard somebody. My coach wrote Gordon. Don't guard him. Joker,
[1:08:57] Speaker 6: do not get on him.
[1:08:58] Speaker 2: In the playoffs, it is game planning.
[1:09:00] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:09:01] Speaker 2: Now we got our feelings out of it. 37. Yeah.
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: One average is 37. Yes. You're going to play them
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: in the second round.
[1:09:07] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[1:09:08] Speaker 5: We know in the playoffs. We know what he does.
[1:09:11] Speaker 5: We don't know what you do. Yes in the playoff
[1:09:13] Speaker 5: We know what he.
[1:09:14] Speaker 2: Does in the playoffs. He's amazing.
[1:09:17] Speaker 5: He he is the playoffs I Have to we have
[1:09:22] Speaker 5: to get through this first and this is my matchup, right?
[1:09:26] Speaker 5: That means me as a player as a will be
[1:09:30] Speaker 5: tested against a guy who literally has his way with
[1:09:34] Speaker 5: me because I'm not strong enough yet. So that means
[1:09:37] Speaker 5: I'm going to be worn the fuck out seven games.
[1:09:41] Speaker 5: If we're going to win this series, that means I
[1:09:43] Speaker 5: have to be able to be on the floor every
[1:09:45] Speaker 5: single minute. I'm most likely going to foul out at
[1:09:48] Speaker 5: least one game. I'm going to be in foul trouble
[1:09:50] Speaker 5: some of those games. After this battle, if we win,
[1:09:54] Speaker 5: I then have to face the champs. If we get
[1:09:59] Speaker 5: out of that round, then I got to face Boston.
[1:10:05] Speaker 5: Do you see how hard the road is? So if
[1:10:08] Speaker 5: you could have won that game to have an easier matchup,
[1:10:15] Speaker 5: meaning who's in seventh?
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: Well, we don't know yet. Suns or Blazers? Yeah. Round one, sweep.
[1:10:22] Speaker 12: Huh?
[1:10:23] Speaker 4: Lakers. Didn't we play the Lakers?
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: Or the Timberwolves.
[1:10:26] Speaker 4: The Lakers?
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: Timberwolves.
[1:10:27] Speaker 4: Lakers?
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: Timberwolves.
[1:10:29] Speaker 4: Or the Timberwolves. Or the Timberwolves.
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: That means there's a guy over there. I've been busting
[1:10:34] Speaker 5: his ass since I was 15. I've been busting Rudy.
[1:10:37] Speaker 5: There's a guy in Minnesota that's been busting your ass.
[1:10:40] Speaker 4: Cool, cool, cool. That's me.
[1:10:41] Speaker 6: The Lugans have been losing in the semifinals the last
[1:10:45] Speaker 6: two years.
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: I'm talking about the last two.
[1:10:47] Speaker 4: We're talking about Mr.
[1:10:48] Speaker 9: Playoff.
[1:10:48] Speaker 4: Mr. Playoff.
[1:10:49] Speaker 2: Mr.
[1:10:49] Speaker 4: Playoff.
[1:10:49] Speaker 6: But he hasn't been to the conference finals in two years.
[1:10:52] Speaker 4: So we ain't even thinking.
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: How is he Mr.
[1:10:54] Speaker 4: Playoff? And you ain't taking your team to the conference finals.
[1:11:05] Speaker 2: But again, that's not the point. The point is, the
[1:11:09] Speaker 2: point is you losing. You're going to get beat up
[1:11:13] Speaker 2: guarding him.
[1:11:14] Speaker 4: You're not worried about that. We got a whole team.
[1:11:18] Speaker 6: We got a whole bunch of real killers out there
[1:11:21] Speaker 6: that can.
[1:11:22] Speaker 4: Go out there and play. Against who? Whoever.
[1:11:24] Speaker 2: Not against the Nuggets.
[1:11:25] Speaker 4: Whoever.
[1:11:26] Speaker 2: Without Wimby?
[1:11:26] Speaker 4: Ever.
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: Without Wimby?
[1:11:27] Speaker 4: Ever. Not against the Nuggets, you know. Whoever.
[1:11:30] Speaker 2: Not without Wimby.
[1:11:31] Speaker 4: Castle. Fox. All of those guys.
[1:11:33] Speaker 2: We got guys. That's not enough.
[1:11:36] Speaker 4: See, nobody.
[1:11:37] Speaker 2: We know Klay Thompson, right?
[1:11:39] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: Not against that team, though. Every time he played in
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: the championship, he kind of struggled a little bit.
[1:11:45] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:11:46] Speaker 5: No one ever looked at the road he had to
[1:11:49] Speaker 5: take as a defender.
[1:11:51] Speaker 2: To get there. When he got there. I got a guard.
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: James Harden. I got a guard. Dane. I got a guard.
[1:11:59] Speaker 2: Who else did he have to face? Name the best two.
[1:12:04] Speaker 2: But there was games where everybody he guarded was a
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: top three, top five score to then get into. You
[1:12:11] Speaker 2: didn't got no legs in the championship.
[1:12:13] Speaker 4: Guarding Kyrie. You know what I mean?
[1:12:17] Speaker 2: You're complaining. You as an individual. Now, what if that
[1:12:21] Speaker 2: was Steph? And he had to guard those guys. Leading
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: up to that, that's windy.
[1:12:29] Speaker 5: Your defense is needed against Jokic.
[1:12:33] Speaker 2: What do you mean?
[1:12:34] Speaker 4: To escape. I'm the defense player of the year. Yes.
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: You're not eligible. We play 64 games.
[1:12:39] Speaker 4: Three years.
[1:12:39] Speaker 2: But we're talking about basketball, man. Play 64 games.
[1:12:42] Speaker 4: Like, I don't care who you are.
[1:12:44] Speaker 5: I don't want, I, as an individual, if I'm trying
[1:12:47] Speaker 5: to get to the championship and I'm the best defender
[1:12:50] Speaker 5: in the world and I'm a center, I don't think
[1:12:53] Speaker 5: my first round wants to be David Robinson, then Hakeem Olajuwon.
[1:13:00] Speaker 2: And then Shaquille O'Neal.
[1:13:01] Speaker 4: I don't want a fucking predator. Where's McGlory? Where's McGlory
[1:13:04] Speaker 4: so I can get a little rest?
[1:13:06] Speaker 6: That ain't no, that don't even make sense.
[1:13:07] Speaker 4: Where's Zaza Machula? Where are those guys? Wemby's mentality ain't no,
[1:13:12] Speaker 4: I don't want that.
[1:13:13] Speaker 2: That ain't his mentality. mentality.
[1:13:15] Speaker 6: You're not thinking about, oh, I need to do this
[1:13:17] Speaker 6: and that. This is all about go out there and
[1:13:21] Speaker 6: play in front of you. Play in front of you.
[1:13:24] Speaker 6: Every challenge that he's had this year, he played with
[1:13:27] Speaker 6: the guy who's in front of him.
[1:13:28] Speaker 4: Whether he outplayed them.
[1:13:30] Speaker 6: or they outplayed him, he'd go back to the locker
[1:13:32] Speaker 6: room and say, I can't wait to see them again.
[1:13:34] Speaker 4: I can't wait to see them again. I can't wait
[1:13:37] Speaker 4: to see them again. He's not scared of that shit.
[1:13:40] Speaker 6: All that shit y'all saying on me, it.
[1:13:43] Speaker 4: Don't mean nothing. That man is going to be ready
[1:13:46] Speaker 4: to play. Period. Every game. He's 22 years old. He's
[1:13:51] Speaker 4: got plenty of energy. He's got plenty of motor. He's
[1:13:54] Speaker 4: going to go out there and he's going to be competitive.
[1:13:57] Speaker 2: Period. We don't know if he got plenty of energy.
[1:14:00] Speaker 6: So why we keep using hypotheticals? If we don't know,
[1:14:04] Speaker 6: then stop using hypotheticals.
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: There's no hypothetical with the fact that he only plays
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: 28 minutes a night.
[1:14:10] Speaker 2: Is that a fact or a hypothetical?
[1:14:12] Speaker 4: That's a fact.
[1:14:14] Speaker 3: We don't know if he can play 37, 38.
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: 9, 39 minutes a night.
[1:14:18] Speaker 4: We don't know that. We know the other guy can.
[1:14:21] Speaker 4: It's going to go up if he does.
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: We don't know that.
[1:14:24] Speaker 4: That's a hypothetical. We do know that.
[1:14:26] Speaker 6: One thing that is a fact is that they did
[1:14:29] Speaker 6: play themselves.
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: That is a fact. They did play themselves. If my
[1:14:35] Speaker 2: best player is a defender and he only plays a
[1:14:37] Speaker 2: certain amount of minutes and we're trying to ramp it up,
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: my first round is against Phoenix.
[1:14:42] Speaker 4: Who's their center?
[1:14:44] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:14:45] Speaker 4: Portland.
[1:14:46] Speaker 2: Who's their center?
[1:14:47] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:14:47] Speaker 5: So that means for Wimby himself, he don't really have
[1:14:51] Speaker 5: to exert much energy individually.
[1:14:55] Speaker 4: Just help defense. Right? If we win.
[1:14:58] Speaker 5: That game, our next matchup, Lakers or Timberwolves.
[1:15:06] Speaker 2: So I get Aiden? If you're Wimby.
[1:15:09] Speaker 4: Rest day. Right? Another rest day.
[1:15:13] Speaker 2: You know, what's his name? Or Rudy Goldberg.
[1:15:19] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:15:20] Speaker 2: So me defensively as a player, he conserved energy two
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: rounds for a defensive player to you. He's just playing
[1:15:30] Speaker 2: help side defense.
[1:15:31] Speaker 5: He don't have to worry about his personal.
[1:15:35] Speaker 2: So he's conserving a lot of energy.
[1:15:38] Speaker 5: Well, Because you guys didn't win that game, your second
[1:15:44] Speaker 5: round is the most important. So that means your individual defense,
[1:15:52] Speaker 5: you personally, you and whoever has the guard Murray, but
[1:15:55] Speaker 5: they have a lot of guards that can switch on
[1:15:57] Speaker 5: to that. They don't have a lot of bigs that
[1:15:59] Speaker 5: can switch on to Jokic. You have to play Jokic. See,
[1:16:02] Speaker 5: I can conserve my guard's energy, right?
[1:16:05] Speaker 2: Castle, you go there, okay?
[1:16:07] Speaker 4: I can rotate my.
[1:16:08] Speaker 5: Defensive guards against him so they can all stay a little...
[1:16:15] Speaker 5: When he has to actually use all of his energy
[1:16:18] Speaker 5: in that that series win for a game then then
[1:16:20] Speaker 5: you have to go up if you win the game
[1:16:22] Speaker 5: you have to go up against OKC where now you
[1:16:25] Speaker 5: have Chet now Chet is like oh he's tired. We're
[1:16:28] Speaker 5: going to run when we're going to run with it.
[1:16:31] Speaker 4: Like just oh he's tired.
[1:16:33] Speaker 2: If you did.
[1:16:34] Speaker 7: So just to shit.
[1:16:37] Speaker 3: Like like to help like the one game that we
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: play off when we play well in one game at
[1:16:42] Speaker 3: 37 right.
[1:16:43] Speaker 2: He had 37 in one game. He played 37, 38
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: minutes in that game, right?
[1:16:50] Speaker 3: In order to have those numbers, you have to try
[1:16:52] Speaker 3: to match Nikola's minutes, right?
[1:16:55] Speaker 2: You have to try to match his minutes.
[1:16:57] Speaker 3: And to Gil's point, he's going to have to guard
[1:17:00] Speaker 3: him for all those minutes he's on the floor because
[1:17:02] Speaker 3: you don't have anybody else out there to do it.
[1:17:04] Speaker 3: You don't have nobody else on your roster that can
[1:17:06] Speaker 3: compete with him.
[1:17:09] Speaker 2: That's going to wear him out, right? He can go
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: out there and score 37.
[1:17:13] Speaker 4: Cool.
[1:17:13] Speaker 2: He can play 37, 38, 39 minutes a night.
[1:17:17] Speaker 3: It's going to be a detriment because you got to,
[1:17:21] Speaker 3: to your point, he's a two-way guy.
[1:17:22] Speaker 2: So he's going to have to play on the other
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: end as well. So good luck.
[1:17:25] Speaker 3: But, hey, I would have wanted to have the second round.
[1:17:28] Speaker 3: I would have wanted the second round to be a
[1:17:30] Speaker 3: lot easier.
[1:17:30] Speaker 10: Y'all don't think Denver is going to be more tired
[1:17:32] Speaker 10: coming into this?
[1:17:33] Speaker 2: Going against who? Who did they play first round? They
[1:17:34] Speaker 2: played Minnesota. No, Minnesota?
[1:17:36] Speaker 10: Minnesota been kicking their ass the last two years. But
[1:17:39] Speaker 10: what I'm saying.
[1:17:42] Speaker 2: Is Jamal Murray wasn't healthy last year, right?
[1:17:45] Speaker 10: What are you talking about last year?
[1:17:48] Speaker 2: Yes, we do.
[1:17:48] Speaker 4: We're talking about this.
[1:17:50] Speaker 2: You said they will be tired, right? No.
[1:17:53] Speaker 4: I'm asking a question.
[1:17:54] Speaker 2: Is my best player going to be tired? You should.
[1:17:56] Speaker 4: You might go seven.
[1:17:57] Speaker 2: No, is my best player.
[1:17:58] Speaker 5: Is Rudy going to force him to play defense?
[1:18:02] Speaker 6: Your best player is not going to be Martin Wimby either.
[1:18:05] Speaker 6: Your best player is always going to be taking the
[1:18:07] Speaker 6: night off.
[1:18:09] Speaker 2: You can't take a night off.
[1:18:10] Speaker 4: He's guarding Rudy. He's guarding Rudy. You can't take a
[1:18:13] Speaker 4: night off. And he averages 39 against him. You are
[1:18:16] Speaker 4: going to take it. He asked if Joker is going
[1:18:20] Speaker 4: to be tired based on doing all this work. No,
[1:18:23] Speaker 4: you said the team.
[1:18:24] Speaker 2: He's not.
[1:18:25] Speaker 5: The team, like my team, who I have, cool. My
[1:18:30] Speaker 5: best player, the guy I need to win series.
[1:18:32] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:18:33] Speaker 5: But you got to do a lot. Who does he
[1:18:35] Speaker 5: have to guard? Where is his energy being spent?
[1:18:37] Speaker 7: He don't guard nobody anyway.
[1:18:40] Speaker 2: Cool. That's a lot, though. I know, but on the defense, though.
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: I get to score on Rudy and I don't got
[1:18:45] Speaker 2: to play. Why do you think Steph?
[1:18:46] Speaker 4: How do you know the Steph?
[1:18:48] Speaker 2: Steph is going to, they're going to conserve. all the
[1:18:50] Speaker 2: energy for Steph.
[1:18:51] Speaker 5: He's going to guard the guy who don't want to
[1:18:53] Speaker 5: shoot so he can play just offense.
[1:18:55] Speaker 2: He don't have to play offense and defense.
[1:18:56] Speaker 6: But Steph don't have to do rebounding, assisting, and scoring
[1:19:01] Speaker 6: for one team.
[1:19:02] Speaker 4: You got to do a lot.
[1:19:03] Speaker 2: Not really.
[1:19:04] Speaker 4: He has to do all of that. For six to
[1:19:06] Speaker 4: seven games.
[1:19:07] Speaker 2: That's nothing.
[1:19:08] Speaker 4: I mean, look where he played from.
[1:19:10] Speaker 2: He just did it for 65.
[1:19:13] Speaker 4: He just did it for 65 games. So what are
[1:19:16] Speaker 4: you talking about? When is he supposed to be tired?
[1:19:18] Speaker 2: Because he got to play both.
[1:19:19] Speaker 4: Because he played 27 minutes. When is he supposed to
[1:19:21] Speaker 4: be tired? He will be. He will be.
[1:19:22] Speaker 2: I mean.
[1:19:24] Speaker 10: Who's on Phoenix that he got to worry about or
[1:19:27] Speaker 10: who's on.
[1:19:27] Speaker 2: Portland that he got to worry about?
[1:19:28] Speaker 4: Nobody. That's what he said. That's what I'm saying. This
[1:19:30] Speaker 4: side might be a sweep and they're going to be.
[1:19:32] Speaker 2: Waiting on Joker in Minnesota. And then you're going to
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: have a battle. Denver going to sweep Minnesota as well.
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: What's wrong with the battle? What's wrong with the battle?
[1:19:40] Speaker 2: That was not healthy, bro. What's wrong with the battle?
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: He's not healthy.
[1:19:44] Speaker 2: I know he's not healthy, though. He's not healthy. I
[1:19:47] Speaker 2: hear you. Nick, yes, he is suiting up and putting
[1:19:50] Speaker 2: his uniform on.
[1:19:51] Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
[1:19:52] Speaker 2: And he is not healthy while putting that uniform on. Yeah,
[1:19:55] Speaker 2: that's like an 80%. So that's all I'm saying, dog.
[1:19:59] Speaker 4: So he finna go out there and chase Jamal Murray
[1:20:01] Speaker 4: around right now?
[1:20:02] Speaker 2: No. Imagine you have three fights. How about this? How
[1:20:07] Speaker 2: about this? You get to fight all of us.
[1:20:09] Speaker 4: You have to fight all of us in one day.
[1:20:10] Speaker 7: All of us in one day, right?
[1:20:11] Speaker 2: Are you going to fight one of them second? And
[1:20:22] Speaker 2: me and him are going to be third or fourth.
[1:20:25] Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
[1:20:28] Speaker 2: What I'm saying is you have to fight us back
[1:20:32] Speaker 2: to back to back to back, right? Are you going
[1:20:36] Speaker 2: to fight BJ, then Kenyon, then Rashad, then me? If
[1:20:43] Speaker 2: you do that, I have the best chance of knocking
[1:20:46] Speaker 2: your ass out because they're going to.
[1:20:47] Speaker 4: Wear your ass out. If you get through them, you get.
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: To me, it's easier for me.
[1:20:53] Speaker 4: If you go one, two.
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: Knock us the fuck out, then you work your way in.
[1:20:58] Speaker 2: Winby is going here, then here, then got the defending champ,
[1:21:02] Speaker 2: and then I'm in the East Coast like, oh.
[1:21:05] Speaker 4: You tired? You tired? You are tired.
[1:21:08] Speaker 2: It's basketball, man.
[1:21:09] Speaker 4: You are tired. It's basketball. Same thing. It's basketball. You
[1:21:12] Speaker 4: got a red. You got red days. I've seen the work.
[1:21:14] Speaker 2: No, you don't.
[1:21:15] Speaker 4: You've seen the work. It's every other day, bro. I've
[1:21:17] Speaker 4: seen it.
[1:21:17] Speaker 5: If you go through history and look at match-ups... And
[1:21:24] Speaker 5: you look at certain players' matchups.
[1:21:26] Speaker 2: You got to play them. Like when Kobe kills Spurs,
[1:21:31] Speaker 2: who did he have to guard?
[1:21:32] Speaker 4: Bruce Boyd? Oh, yeah. Lunchtime.
[1:21:35] Speaker 2: Easy work.
[1:21:37] Speaker 4: Lunchtime, I got Bruce Bowen.
[1:21:39] Speaker 2: I can sit.
[1:21:40] Speaker 4: No. I can sit and chill.
[1:21:42] Speaker 2: He's going to make them work. Ah, what? What are
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: you going to do, sit in the corner? So there's
[1:21:46] Speaker 2: a reason.
[1:21:47] Speaker 4: Oh, there's going to that corner?
[1:21:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, so think about it. Now, think about it.
[1:21:51] Speaker 4: In the Western Conference Finals. Yeah, who won?
[1:21:53] Speaker 5: In the Western Conference Finals, Kobe gets to, he gets
[1:21:57] Speaker 5: to just play offense. So his energy in the finals
[1:22:00] Speaker 5: is different. The finals is where he has to play defense.
[1:22:03] Speaker 6: Just to know what you're saying. Kobe Bryant gets to
[1:22:05] Speaker 6: just play offense. Kobe was guarding the guys who was scoring.
[1:22:10] Speaker 6: He wasn't just guarding Bruce Bowen in the corner, my nigga.
[1:22:14] Speaker 2: Who was he guarding?
[1:22:15] Speaker 4: Wasn't there a Tony Parker and a Manu Ginobili on
[1:22:17] Speaker 4: the floor? Two other guys?
[1:22:20] Speaker 2: He guarded Tony Parker. One of them?
[1:22:22] Speaker 4: For sure. Whoever's killing. I got whoever's killing. But Derrick
[1:22:26] Speaker 4: Fisher out there. Well, guess what? Let's talk about this. Yeah,
[1:22:29] Speaker 4: let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. Let's talk
[1:22:32] Speaker 4: about this.
[1:22:32] Speaker 6: Let's talk about the guy that's after 37.
[1:22:35] Speaker 4: These dudes are young. They're ready to play. They're not
[1:22:38] Speaker 4: going to be tired.
[1:22:39] Speaker 5: We can go through history and we can talk about anybody.
[1:22:42] Speaker 2: We can talk about anybody. It's my best player. What
[1:22:46] Speaker 2: is my best player's road? to the championship. How burnt
[1:22:51] Speaker 2: out is he getting? How much energy can we conserve
[1:22:54] Speaker 2: through the playoffs? So when we get to the championship,
[1:22:57] Speaker 2: he is ready to go.
[1:22:59] Speaker 6: So shouldn't Joker be trying to get his energy back
[1:23:02] Speaker 6: from averaging a triple-double all season?
[1:23:04] Speaker 2: No, he's doing that in his sleep.
[1:23:06] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:23:06] Speaker 6: You don't know now that this is the reason why
[1:23:08] Speaker 6: he ain't been in the conference finals the last two years.
[1:23:09] Speaker 2: Where does it go?
[1:23:10] Speaker 7: The last two years, he ain't been in the conference
[1:23:11] Speaker 7: finals because he's been burnt out.
[1:23:12] Speaker 2: Talk about this year.
[1:23:13] Speaker 4: He burnt out two years in a row.
[1:23:15] Speaker 2: Why you bringing up old shit?
[1:23:16] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:23:16] Speaker 2: Okay, now it's old shit. Yes, it's two years ago.
[1:23:17] Speaker 2: I'm just making valid points. No, no, your point is old.
[1:23:19] Speaker 4: I'm just making valid points.
[1:23:20] Speaker 2: We're talking about this year.
[1:23:21] Speaker 6: The last two years, he ain't made it because he
[1:23:23] Speaker 6: burnt out.
[1:23:23] Speaker 2: Now you're saying my guy not.
[1:23:25] Speaker 6: Going to make it because he going to be burnt
[1:23:27] Speaker 6: out because he didn't take the easy road to the.
[1:23:31] Speaker 4: What you mean?
[1:23:31] Speaker 2: We're talking about this year. We're talking about this year.
[1:23:34] Speaker 4: We're talking about this year. He's 22. Yeah, cool. Get
[1:23:36] Speaker 4: his ass with us. Get his ass with us.
[1:23:38] Speaker 2: I can tell you, the way.
[1:23:40] Speaker 5: The playoffs shaped out over here in the West.
[1:23:44] Speaker 5: Boston has a better chance if they're coming out of
[1:23:46] Speaker 5: East because this is a battle in the second and
[1:23:50] Speaker 5: the Western Conference Finals because the juggernauts are hitting each.
[1:23:53] Speaker 2: Other hard early. What about the Pistons, Gil?
[1:23:56] Speaker 7: Yeah, what about whoever?
[1:23:58] Speaker 4: What about whoever? There they go. Cavaliers. They're going to
[1:24:00] Speaker 4: have a battle, too. They ain't going to cakewalk around
[1:24:03] Speaker 4: the East. Ain't no cakewalk for Boston. Ain't no cakewalk.
[1:24:07] Speaker 2: Who beat Boston? They got to play New York second round.
[1:24:09] Speaker 9: Who?
[1:24:09] Speaker 4: Who? Okay. Now, I'm going.
[1:24:11] Speaker 5: To say it again. Who is challenging my two best players?
[1:24:17] Speaker 5: They beat them last year.
[1:24:18] Speaker 2: What I'm saying is who's challenging my two best players?
[1:24:21] Speaker 5: No, I'm just asking. They did. Who is challenging my
[1:24:25] Speaker 5: two best players?
[1:24:27] Speaker 4: Whoever beat them last year.
[1:24:29] Speaker 2: On Nick. Think about what my best players.
[1:24:32] Speaker 5: What positions are my best players?
[1:24:36] Speaker 2: Tatum and Brown plays the what?
[1:24:40] Speaker 4: Now, New York.
[1:24:43] Speaker 5: Best players who is going to fight to death play
[1:24:48] Speaker 5: the one and the four.
[1:24:50] Speaker 2: Yes, he is. He is talking about their best players workload.
[1:24:53] Speaker 4: God damn. He's talking about the best player. Who do
[1:24:58] Speaker 4: they have to guard? That's what he's talking about.
[1:25:00] Speaker 2: I see what you're doing now.
[1:25:01] Speaker 4: No, that's what he's doing.
[1:25:02] Speaker 2: I see what you're doing.
[1:25:03] Speaker 4: He's talking about who does Jalen Brown and Jalen Taylor
[1:25:05] Speaker 4: have to guard. That's what he's talking about.
[1:25:07] Speaker 6: Yeah, but the matchup between New York and Boston ain't about.
[1:25:11] Speaker 4: Two players versus two players. It's about who they have
[1:25:13] Speaker 4: to guard.
[1:25:15] Speaker 2: That's what he's saying. It's a team game.
[1:25:17] Speaker 6: We have a team scheme and a team concept against
[1:25:19] Speaker 6: these two guys.
[1:25:20] Speaker 4: Yes. We don't have to match up for player for
[1:25:22] Speaker 4: player for them.
[1:25:22] Speaker 2: Yes, we do. It's about who you have to guard
[1:25:24] Speaker 2: every night.
[1:25:25] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:25:25] Speaker 7: Are we talking who, man?
[1:25:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, we are.
[1:25:26] Speaker 7: We not.
[1:25:27] Speaker 4: Yes, we are. Who do I have to guard every night?
[1:25:30] Speaker 4: I mean, it's a scouting report.
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: It's a scouting report. Who do I have to guard
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: every night?
[1:25:35] Speaker 4: What happened last year?
[1:25:36] Speaker 2: What was y'all's scouting report when y'all had to guard?
[1:25:38] Speaker 2: What happened last year? Who I have to guard every
[1:25:40] Speaker 2: night matters. What was the scouting report when y'all was
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: playing in the playoffs?
[1:25:44] Speaker 4: Was it a team scouting report? Was it a team
[1:25:48] Speaker 4: scouting report? Was it a scheme?
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: I love playing Detroit.
[1:25:51] Speaker 4: Like you said, Aaron Gordon, you're going to guard him tonight.
[1:25:52] Speaker 4: This wasn't a.
[1:26:00] Speaker 2: A personal matchup.
[1:26:03] Speaker 4: This is our team strategy.
[1:26:05] Speaker 6: Joker, you're not to guard him and you're to guard him.
[1:26:08] Speaker 6: The same thing with Boston and New York. Hey, listen,
[1:26:11] Speaker 6: this is our team concept. We're going to go into
[1:26:14] Speaker 6: this with this.
[1:26:15] Speaker 2: Workload.
[1:26:16] Speaker 4: Workload. OG, make them work. OG, make them work. Josh Hart,
[1:26:23] Speaker 4: make them work. Make them work, Josh and OG. McHale,
[1:26:27] Speaker 4: make them work, McHale. Make them work, McHale Bridges.
[1:26:31] Speaker 6: We got three guards that can play defense.
[1:26:33] Speaker 4: Make them guys work. We got Jalen Brunson and Kyle
[1:26:38] Speaker 4: Anthony Towns. That's our offense.
[1:26:40] Speaker 2: So what you just said, so that means I don't
[1:26:44] Speaker 2: have to worry about Jalen Brown or Tatum overexerting himself
[1:26:49] Speaker 2: on defense because their.
[1:26:51] Speaker 5: Best player is a point guard and a power forward.
[1:26:54] Speaker 5: So that means they get to play one side of the.
[1:26:57] Speaker 2: Actually, it's a five. Please don't misspeak. Please don't give it.
[1:27:01] Speaker 2: It's a five. That means Tatum and Brown on the
[1:27:03] Speaker 2: defensive end have a lighter workload.
[1:27:11] Speaker 4: You don't think Brown's going to be guarding Brunson?
[1:27:13] Speaker 2: Now, if Brown has to guard Brunson. Derek White. Now,
[1:27:16] Speaker 2: if Brown has to guard Brunson. Derek White, the start.
[1:27:19] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:27:19] Speaker 2: And stop Brunson and try to score a fucking 100 points,
[1:27:23] Speaker 2: he's going to get a little tired in that series.
[1:27:26] Speaker 5: Then that very next series, if he has the same
[1:27:27] Speaker 5: type of matchup, And we win by the time we
[1:27:31] Speaker 5: get to the finals. I know this player don't have
[1:27:35] Speaker 5: that energy.
[1:27:36] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:27:36] Speaker 4: So like Shea. Like Shea.
[1:27:38] Speaker 5: In the playoffs, people don't realize what Shea does in
[1:27:41] Speaker 5: the playoffs. See, Shea plays defense, but he never has
[1:27:45] Speaker 5: to guard the best player because they have Dort or
[1:27:47] Speaker 5: all these other defenders. So you can hide him on defense.
[1:27:52] Speaker 5: So that means he can start off. If you start
[1:27:55] Speaker 5: cooking him a little bit or he's getting a little fatigued, Dort,
[1:27:57] Speaker 5: get him.
[1:27:58] Speaker 4: We were playing the back end.
[1:27:59] Speaker 2: So he gets to conserve his energy a lot. I
[1:28:03] Speaker 2: got one for you. So just for shits and giggles, right?
[1:28:06] Speaker 3: Let's say Jalen Brown does guard Jason.
[1:28:10] Speaker 2: Fucking Bronson.
[1:28:12] Speaker 4: Cool.
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: But he is, in his argument, the best two-way player
[1:28:19] Speaker 3: at the wing position.
[1:28:20] Speaker 2: So guess what? He can handle the workload.
[1:28:22] Speaker 4: Oh, so when he came?
[1:28:23] Speaker 2: No. We ain't seen him do it. We haven't seen him.
[1:28:28] Speaker 4: Do it, so no. He's been doing it all season.
[1:28:30] Speaker 4: We're talking about in the playoffs. We're talking about right now,
[1:28:31] Speaker 4: this year. Playoffs ain't here yet. The playoffs ain't here yet.
[1:28:35] Speaker 4: The playoffs ain't here yet. So when Jalen Brown did
[1:28:38] Speaker 4: it against Luke and all of them, it was good.
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:28:41] Speaker 4: So now it ain't. So we ain't seen.
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: Have we seen Wimby do it yet?
[1:28:45] Speaker 4: All season long.
[1:28:47] Speaker 3: Have we seen him do it in the playoffs where
[1:28:48] Speaker 3: he had to go out the best guy every night
[1:28:50] Speaker 3: and go out and score?
[1:28:51] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[1:28:52] Speaker 2: We ain't seen it. We have not seen it.
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we have not seen it yet. We've seen
[1:28:56] Speaker 3: Jalen Brown do it. Yes and no.
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: Okay, cool. We ain't seen Wimby do it yet. So therefore,
[1:29:02] Speaker 2: and we only know he only has been playing 28
[1:29:04] Speaker 2: minutes a night. These are facts.
[1:29:05] Speaker 3: He's only played 28 minutes a night. During that regular
[1:29:07] Speaker 3: season that you just spoke of, Rashad, he only played
[1:29:10] Speaker 3: 28 minutes a night. So in those 28 minutes, he
[1:29:13] Speaker 3: played well. We haven't seen him play more than that
[1:29:15] Speaker 3: consistently because we don't know if he can do it
[1:29:17] Speaker 3: or not. And they don't know if he can do
[1:29:19] Speaker 3: it or not in San Antonio.
[1:29:21] Speaker 4: But guess what? We will see. Is Jalen Brown going
[1:29:24] Speaker 4: to be tired?
[1:29:25] Speaker 6: Is Jalen Brown going to be tired from guarding Brunson
[1:29:28] Speaker 6: and going to get buckets?
[1:29:30] Speaker 2: No. We're talking about your guy. Oh, okay.
[1:29:33] Speaker 4: We're talking about your guy.
[1:29:33] Speaker 2: That's a good deflection.
[1:29:34] Speaker 4: No, we're talking about your guy. That's a good deflection.
[1:29:36] Speaker 4: We're talking about your guy. You be deflecting when it
[1:29:38] Speaker 4: comes down to it.
[1:29:38] Speaker 2: We're talking about your guy. We're talking about can your
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: guy do it.
[1:29:42] Speaker 4: We actually talking about Jalen Brown and the Knicks.
[1:29:44] Speaker 2: We've seen him do it.
[1:29:45] Speaker 4: We've seen him do it. We've seen Jalen Brown do it.
[1:29:47] Speaker 4: Is he not going to be tired? We've seen Jalen. No,
[1:29:49] Speaker 4: I don't believe so.
[1:29:49] Speaker 2: No, because he did it already. I don't believe Wimby's
[1:29:51] Speaker 2: going to be tired.
[1:29:52] Speaker 5: We've seen Jalen Brown do it. If Jalen Brown does
[1:29:54] Speaker 5: get tired. Tatum doesn't have to do anything. We've seen
[1:29:58] Speaker 5: him do it before. You see where they can switch off.
[1:30:00] Speaker 4: He won't find his.
[1:30:01] Speaker 2: MVP, did he?
[1:30:02] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:30:02] Speaker 2: Wild guard, the best player on the team, what you said, right?
[1:30:05] Speaker 4: Hey, okay.
[1:30:06] Speaker 2: You've been down this road a million times. You remember
[1:30:10] Speaker 2: Buck's championship. Okay. Buck's championship, right?
[1:30:13] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:30:13] Speaker 2: Y'all remember what Giannis did in the finals? Mm-hmm. You
[1:30:16] Speaker 2: remember that performance? Do you know who he had to
[1:30:19] Speaker 2: guard round one, two, and three? Him. He's the best
[1:30:24] Speaker 2: player on the team, right?
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:30:27] Speaker 5: Do you know who he had to guard? His personal defender.
[1:30:31] Speaker 7: I thought we was talking about this year.
[1:30:32] Speaker 2: Clint Capella. First round?
[1:30:34] Speaker 4: No, no.
[1:30:35] Speaker 2: First round against Atlanta, right? No, no, no. First round
[1:30:38] Speaker 2: was against Miami. Okay.
[1:30:41] Speaker 7: You talking about four years ago?
[1:30:42] Speaker 2: I thought we was talking about this year. No, I'm
[1:30:44] Speaker 2: talking about the road. He had to guard Trevor Reza. Okay.
[1:30:48] Speaker 7: Trevor ain't playing no more.
[1:30:50] Speaker 2: No, no, go ahead. Trevor Reza round one. No, go ahead.
[1:30:53] Speaker 4: Right? Round two, he had.
[1:30:56] Speaker 2: To guard Blake Griffin.
[1:31:00] Speaker 5: That Blake Griffin. Not the Blake Griffin y'all know. The
[1:31:04] Speaker 5: Blake Griffin that was in. Yeah, so he had to
[1:31:05] Speaker 5: guard Blake Griffin.
[1:31:08] Speaker 2: Clint Capella.
[1:31:11] Speaker 5: The next round, and then in the championship, the motherfucker
[1:31:14] Speaker 5: got so much energy because he didn't have.
[1:31:16] Speaker 4: To do nothing.
[1:31:17] Speaker 2: He running through Aiton or Jay Crowder. Wonder why he
[1:31:24] Speaker 2: had all the energy in the world.
[1:31:25] Speaker 5: To just run up and down because For the first
[1:31:28] Speaker 5: three rounds, he didn't have to use no energy.
[1:31:31] Speaker 2: I thought it was because he was really good.
[1:31:33] Speaker 4: I just thought it was because he was really good.
[1:31:35] Speaker 4: I didn't think it had to do with preserving energy.
[1:31:37] Speaker 2: He's just a really good player who knows how to
[1:31:39] Speaker 2: play the game. Yeah, so both of those things can
[1:31:42] Speaker 2: exist at the same time. Therefore, he's a really good
[1:31:46] Speaker 2: basketball player, and if he ain't had to guard nobody
[1:31:49] Speaker 2: and play, he can play help defense.
[1:31:50] Speaker 4: For three rounds. He wouldn't have done it anyway. He's
[1:31:52] Speaker 4: going to be a lot better in the fourth round. Absolutely.
[1:31:55] Speaker 7: He wouldn't have done it anyway.
[1:31:56] Speaker 2: But he didn't have to. You didn't have to guard nobody. Right,
[1:31:59] Speaker 2: that wasn't part of the team. We had P.J.
[1:32:02] Speaker 4: Tucker.
[1:32:03] Speaker 8: We had all those other defenders, yeah.
[1:32:07] Speaker 5: I was in the playoffs, and there was a LeBron
[1:32:09] Speaker 5: James and some rounds. I remember we had to go
[1:32:12] Speaker 5: against the Bulls, right? And we sat in the zone
[1:32:17] Speaker 5: because who was the best players on the Bulls?
[1:32:20] Speaker 2: The guards. Kirk Heinrich, all of them, Lou Aldang and
[1:32:23] Speaker 2: stuff like that.
[1:32:24] Speaker 7: So it was like, yo.
[1:32:26] Speaker 5: We're going to play a zone because our next matchup,
[1:32:29] Speaker 5: where we need all our energy, is fucking Miami Heat.
[1:32:35] Speaker 5: So we set in the zone so we can conserve
[1:32:39] Speaker 5: our energy. Because their best team was guards.
[1:32:43] Speaker 4: Y'all worried about energy?
[1:32:45] Speaker 13: Don't do that Nick because their best players is guards
[1:32:48] Speaker 13: so if me Larry Hughes are our best players and
[1:32:51] Speaker 13: Antoine Jameson and their guards is their best players that
[1:32:54] Speaker 13: means us three and their three we're sitting here battling
[1:32:58] Speaker 13: then we go to Miami right we go to Miami
[1:33:01] Speaker 13: we don't have no energy to keep up with because
[1:33:05] Speaker 13: you gotta remember Shaquille O'Neal's playing Brent Haywood so that's
[1:33:08] Speaker 13: all they're gonna do is pass it to him.
[1:33:10] Speaker 4: That's all so so that's his problem So.
[1:33:13] Speaker 2: We gotta, that's that problem. Now we gotta try to
[1:33:16] Speaker 2: keep up with the scoring of Dwyane Wade and Shaquille
[1:33:19] Speaker 2: O'Neal and try to figure that out.
[1:33:23] Speaker 5: But it's your individual matchups, man. Look at that, it's
[1:33:28] Speaker 5: that simple. Like if you know like the Philadelphia 76, right?
[1:33:33] Speaker 5: And we playing Allen Iverson. And Allen Iverson, first round,
[1:33:38] Speaker 5: has nobody to guard. And he just out there playing
[1:33:41] Speaker 5: all offense and just sitting in the lane. And I
[1:33:44] Speaker 5: got him round two. I know he's trying to go
[1:33:48] Speaker 5: for 60. Because he didn't get challenged defensively over there.
[1:33:53] Speaker 5: So he only played one side of the board. That's
[1:33:56] Speaker 5: a real thing in the playoffs. That's a real actual thing.
[1:34:02] Speaker 4: I mean, how do you know? Because I was in
[1:34:07] Speaker 4: the playoffs. You was? Yeah. You went to the playoffs?
[1:34:10] Speaker 4: That's our cue. That's our cue. It's out the mud.
[1:34:14] Speaker 2: It's out the mud.
[1:34:14] Speaker 4: It's out the mud.
[1:34:16] Speaker 10: I ain't played in the playoffs, so I can't talk
[1:34:19] Speaker 10: about this shit.
[1:34:20] Speaker 4: There we go. I was waiting on that full circle moment.
[1:34:23] Speaker 4: I was waiting on that. It was time.
[1:34:26] Speaker 6: I was actually looking at my watch like, at some point,
[1:34:28] Speaker 6: they're going to bring that shit up. I mean, when
[1:34:32] Speaker 6: I got to the playoffs, I got a booklet.
[1:34:34] Speaker 2: I got a booklet when I first got to the playoffs.
[1:34:38] Speaker 13: A booklet of everything everybody done, your schemes, who you guarding.
[1:34:42] Speaker 4: Like, you're going.
[1:34:44] Speaker 2: To be on this person. I remember my rookie year.
[1:34:46] Speaker 2: We played against Atlanta. We played against Atlanta. We got
[1:34:48] Speaker 2: Joe Johnson in them. We got a whole booklet.
[1:34:51] Speaker 8: We played them in the regular season, the way we
[1:34:53] Speaker 8: played them, and now we play them in the playoffs.
[1:34:54] Speaker 2: We play them a different way. Different way. Because it's
[1:34:56] Speaker 2: a different scheme. You got four games.
[1:34:58] Speaker 7: Did the booklet say conserve your energy?
[1:35:00] Speaker 2: No, that's a coach.
[1:35:02] Speaker 6: Did the booklet say, hey, make sure you conserve your
[1:35:05] Speaker 6: energy tonight?
[1:35:06] Speaker 9: No.
[1:35:07] Speaker 6: Make sure you don't play as hard as you can.
[1:35:09] Speaker 6: I mean, but me guarding Mike Bibby in that first round,
[1:35:12] Speaker 6: I knew that, you know, I'm conserving my energy.
[1:35:15] Speaker 2: Conserve your energy because we going to.
[1:35:17] Speaker 4: The next round.
[1:35:18] Speaker 8: Well, listen, at the end of the day, everybody had
[1:35:19] Speaker 8: a booklet and you had your thing.
[1:35:21] Speaker 2: Hold on. Hold on. Unbelievable, man.
[1:35:23] Speaker 5: You don't need to say conserve the energy. I do
[1:35:27] Speaker 5: know this, though, sir. If my matchup, if my matchup
[1:35:35] Speaker 5: is we're playing the Cleveland Cavaliers and I'm guarding Eric Snow.
[1:35:45] Speaker 5: Another Eric Snow mentioned here. You know what I'm saying?
[1:35:47] Speaker 5: If I'm guarding Eric Snow, defensively, do you think I'm
[1:35:53] Speaker 5: going to be challenged defensively?
[1:35:56] Speaker 2: Hence why I average 32 on offense. Because defensively, I
[1:36:02] Speaker 2: got Eric Snow.
[1:36:04] Speaker 5: So unless they're going to target me directly to make
[1:36:08] Speaker 5: me play both sides of the floor, Mo Williams is
[1:36:13] Speaker 5: getting all his work.
[1:36:15] Speaker 2: It don't matter who guards me at this point.
[1:36:17] Speaker 5: It's all offense because on defense, I have Eric Snow
[1:36:20] Speaker 5: and I'm just chilling. That is a real thing. My
[1:36:26] Speaker 5: matchup is a real thing. That's why I say.
[1:36:29] Speaker 2: To To tame a lion, you need a lion.
[1:36:34] Speaker 5: If I wanna challenge Steph, I don't put a defensive
[1:36:39] Speaker 5: player on him who can't play offense. No, I'm gonna
[1:36:42] Speaker 5: put another offensive guy. So when you try to score,
[1:36:45] Speaker 5: he's trying to score too.
[1:36:46] Speaker 2: Now play defense. Y'all gonna burn each other out.
[1:36:51] Speaker 5: But if I put a guy who takes three shots
[1:36:53] Speaker 5: a game on him, he come down, shoot a 50 footer,
[1:36:56] Speaker 5: turn around, do this, and then on his defense, He
[1:37:00] Speaker 5: just sits here.
[1:37:02] Speaker 2: You know why?
[1:37:03] Speaker 5: Because he only takes three shots a game. That means
[1:37:05] Speaker 5: he might take one shot every quarter. Other than that,
[1:37:08] Speaker 5: that means 12 minutes, Seth is going to be sitting
[1:37:10] Speaker 5: here doing nothing because he only takes three shots a game.
[1:37:13] Speaker 5: So in reality, he's just resting on defense because this
[1:37:17] Speaker 5: guy is not challenging. But if he's guarding a guy
[1:37:19] Speaker 5: who takes 20 shots also, his ass is running around
[1:37:24] Speaker 5: all day.
[1:37:25] Speaker 7: You mean hiding him on defense, right?
[1:37:27] Speaker 6: You mean like, Steph, after you shoot, go get the
[1:37:30] Speaker 6: weakest offensive player, no matter who's on the field.
[1:37:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they do that. That's why they do that. Yeah. That's, that's,
[1:37:36] Speaker 2: hence why they do that.
[1:37:38] Speaker 4: I know why everybody do that.
[1:37:39] Speaker 5: Hence why, like, like, like Houston, you know, in Houston,
[1:37:42] Speaker 5: they're like, shit, we're going, we're going to guard you
[1:37:44] Speaker 5: on defense and we're going to try, you guard eight times,
[1:37:47] Speaker 5: we're going to put you in the post. If you
[1:37:49] Speaker 5: guard it, we're going to do pick and rolls.
[1:37:50] Speaker 2: Like, it's, that's.
[1:37:52] Speaker 5: That's why Steve Nash and Tony Parker's series was so
[1:37:54] Speaker 5: good because they both did pick and rolls trying to
[1:37:57] Speaker 5: burn each other out. It was a force. They couldn't
[1:38:03] Speaker 5: put Steve Nash on nobody else. So what they did was,
[1:38:07] Speaker 5: if you go back at that series, they did red
[1:38:10] Speaker 5: roll twice. So they're going to hit Steve Nash and
[1:38:12] Speaker 5: then hit him again before.
[1:38:13] Speaker 2: They even run offense.
[1:38:15] Speaker 5: They were going to hit him two times every single time,
[1:38:17] Speaker 5: pick and roll, pick and roll, to try to tire
[1:38:19] Speaker 5: him out. So by the time the fourth quarter came...
[1:38:22] Speaker 5: He didn't have his legs and he.
[1:38:24] Speaker 2: Wasn't running as much. That's the thing, man. All right, well,
[1:38:28] Speaker 2: let's keep this thing moving. One last, actually two last
[1:38:30] Speaker 2: topics for the day. Let's shift over to Los Angeles.
[1:38:34] Speaker 1: LeBron spent most of this season as the second or
[1:38:37] Speaker 1: third option for the Lakers, embracing those roles for the
[1:38:40] Speaker 1: good of the team. But you never won, though.
[1:38:42] Speaker 2: That's the thing.
[1:38:44] Speaker 10: You never won as a team because I got hurt.
[1:38:46] Speaker 10: All that you said, you named when. Like, it didn't
[1:38:48] Speaker 10: matter if. Like you had 32, you lost. And other
[1:38:52] Speaker 10: guys shot three shots, they won.
[1:38:55] Speaker 2: Like, it don't matter. Like, you saying things as if
[1:38:58] Speaker 2: you won. No, how about this? Then I can do this.
[1:39:01] Speaker 5: I can just go through every, see, because I do
[1:39:03] Speaker 5: all my research and my history, I can go through
[1:39:06] Speaker 5: any team.
[1:39:07] Speaker 4: Any team.
[1:39:08] Speaker 2: You can go through the 96 Bulls. You can go
[1:39:10] Speaker 2: through the.
[1:39:11] Speaker 5: Remember, I gave you examples of Golden State and told
[1:39:13] Speaker 5: you why Klay be doing this because of who he
[1:39:16] Speaker 5: had to guard. Those juggernauts every round. I went through Giannis.
[1:39:19] Speaker 5: I can go through anybody you want. Their road, their
[1:39:23] Speaker 5: personal road as the best player and how easy it
[1:39:28] Speaker 5: was and the ones who had to play their position. Like,
[1:39:31] Speaker 5: I got to guard this person, this person, this person.
[1:39:33] Speaker 5: And what they did in the finals, in the championship,
[1:39:35] Speaker 5: how it looked.
[1:39:37] Speaker 2: They won.
[1:39:37] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:39:38] Speaker 2: So if Wimby's going to win a championship.
[1:39:41] Speaker 4: They won. Clay did his job. They won. He wasn't
[1:39:45] Speaker 4: tired at the end. They won.
[1:39:47] Speaker 2: But Clay wasn't the best player. Yeah.
[1:39:50] Speaker 4: So why are you bringing Clay up?
[1:39:52] Speaker 5: I'm just saying why Clay didn't perform well in certain
[1:39:55] Speaker 5: games because of who he had to play.
[1:39:57] Speaker 2: And the best player... Curry didn't have to guard anybody.
[1:40:02] Speaker 2: And that's how he performed.
[1:40:06] Speaker 5: So when you're talking about even go, you go LeBron
[1:40:08] Speaker 5: James and go through the finals and who he had
[1:40:09] Speaker 5: to guard.
[1:40:10] Speaker 2: You go through anybody. You can just go through research.
[1:40:15] Speaker 2: It's there. It's there.
[1:40:16] Speaker 5: You just go through the road of what that best player.
[1:40:19] Speaker 5: Winby is the best player on the team. He is
[1:40:23] Speaker 5: the best player on the team. In the second round,
[1:40:26] Speaker 5: his matchup It's devastating if it goes seven rounds because
[1:40:34] Speaker 5: he will be challenged all seven rounds. The guy average
[1:40:37] Speaker 5: is 37. That means he's getting the ball every single time.
[1:40:40] Speaker 5: That means he is playing defense every single time and
[1:40:44] Speaker 5: then trying to play offense every single time for seven games.
[1:40:47] Speaker 5: And then if we win that, we are playing against
[1:40:50] Speaker 5: a team who plays full court basketball.
[1:40:54] Speaker 2: The man will be playing basketball.
[1:40:56] Speaker 4: Basketball. That's what you live for.
[1:41:00] Speaker 7: Seven games.
[1:41:00] Speaker 4: Hardcore.
[1:41:01] Speaker 6: We had to play to the wire. We've earned this.
[1:41:04] Speaker 6: Now we're ready for the next round. If we get
[1:41:06] Speaker 6: rid of Joker early and you're saying this guy's tough
[1:41:08] Speaker 6: as a matchup, we ain't worried about nobody else.
[1:41:11] Speaker 4: We just need to do this game. We need this series.
[1:41:14] Speaker 4: He's going to push me to the limit. Yes. We're
[1:41:16] Speaker 4: going to take this challenge.
[1:41:19] Speaker 2: Who did my best player get challenged by? You see,
[1:41:24] Speaker 2: still not getting it. Who did my, did my best
[1:41:28] Speaker 2: player have to guard Luka? Did my best player have
[1:41:31] Speaker 2: to play Ant-Man? Did my best player have to play
[1:41:33] Speaker 2: any of those guys? No, I have crash dummies for that.
[1:41:38] Speaker 2: I got crash dummies to do that.
[1:41:41] Speaker 5: So my best player gets to keep being the best player.
[1:41:45] Speaker 2: He gets to, that is a thing. I'm sorry. When
[1:41:50] Speaker 2: you leave here, you want to go and look? Look
[1:41:52] Speaker 2: at every champion? If you want to go look at
[1:41:53] Speaker 2: every champion, look at the best player. Look at his road.
[1:41:57] Speaker 2: Look at his personal road. Not the team. Look at
[1:41:59] Speaker 2: his personal road.
[1:42:00] Speaker 4: You want to go to Jordan?
[1:42:01] Speaker 5: Look who Jordan had to guard in those playoff series
[1:42:06] Speaker 5: for him to average 30 every game and 40 and 50.
[1:42:09] Speaker 5: Look who he had to guard, actually. Do you want
[1:42:13] Speaker 5: to name some of the people he had to guard?
[1:42:16] Speaker 5: Do they want to do that?
[1:42:18] Speaker 2: Going back in history to prove it.
[1:42:20] Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I do.
[1:42:21] Speaker 2: I go through his. I look at history. It's not
[1:42:25] Speaker 2: what's happening right now, though.
[1:42:26] Speaker 4: It ain't?
[1:42:27] Speaker 2: Nope. I just told you, Shays Road. It's 37 and 9.
[1:42:29] Speaker 2: Not going nowhere now. 37 and 9. I just went
[1:42:32] Speaker 2: through here. It's history. Shays Road?
[1:42:36] Speaker 4: It's just history.
[1:42:36] Speaker 2: It's history.
[1:42:38] Speaker 7: About to change history, though. 22-year-old.
[1:42:40] Speaker 5: When LeBron James won the finals in the bubble, who
[1:42:44] Speaker 5: did he have to play throughout the round?
[1:42:46] Speaker 2: Who did he have to guard? High quality opponents, Gil. No, no.
[1:42:51] Speaker 2: Who did he have to call? Some of the toughest
[1:42:52] Speaker 2: NBA heroes.
[1:42:53] Speaker 5: How is he still playing at 41? Because what position
[1:42:56] Speaker 5: ain't that strong? So he gets to survive. He just
[1:42:58] Speaker 5: elevated his game.
[1:43:00] Speaker 2: But speaking of LeBron, same reason Anthony Davis wants to
[1:43:03] Speaker 2: play the four. It's easier.
[1:43:04] Speaker 4: We just got to play Giannis.
[1:43:07] Speaker 2: That's it.
[1:43:08] Speaker 4: Got to play Giannis twice a year. That's it.
[1:43:10] Speaker 2: Other than that, it's a breeze. You mentioned LeBron.
[1:43:13] Speaker 1: LeBron spent most of this season in the second or
[1:43:15] Speaker 1: third option embracing those roles for the good of the team,
[1:43:18] Speaker 1: but has stepped up with Luka and Austin Reeves both
[1:43:20] Speaker 1: sidelined indefinitely. So LeBron was named Western Conference Player.
[1:43:24] Speaker 2: Of the Week.
[1:43:24] Speaker 1: For the first time this season and record 70th time
[1:43:27] Speaker 1: in his career, 41-year-old averaged 24 points, 10 assists, 6 rebounds,
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: while shooting 56% from the field, 50% from deep in
[1:43:35] Speaker 1: 27 minutes per game. Only played, I think, first half
[1:43:37] Speaker 1: against the Utah Jazz, so skewed those numbers. Lakers bounced
[1:43:40] Speaker 1: back from another blowout loss to the Thunder, which some
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: of you might have saw last week, to end the
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: regular season with three straight wins over Juggernaut Warriors, Suns,
[1:43:49] Speaker 1: and Jazz Squad. So in the four games he's played
[1:43:51] Speaker 1: since Luka and Reeves have been sidelined, Bron putting up
[1:43:54] Speaker 1: 26 points, 11 assists, and seven rebounds.
[1:43:57] Speaker 2: So, Gil, we will start with you.
[1:43:58] Speaker 1: How has LeBron looked to you as the Lakers' number
[1:44:00] Speaker 1: one option in this limited sample size heading into the postseason?
[1:44:05] Speaker 2: It's a question. Mark, at the end of it.
[1:44:09] Speaker 5: Being, it's like saying the number one option on the Wizards, right?
[1:44:16] Speaker 5: Someone got to put up the numbers, okay?
[1:44:19] Speaker 4: All right?
[1:44:20] Speaker 2: That lets you know how horrible the team is if
[1:44:24] Speaker 2: our 41-year-old has these type of numbers because no one
[1:44:27] Speaker 2: else is capable. Right? We do have Luke Canard. You
[1:44:30] Speaker 2: see Luke Canard's numbers? You like Luke Canard?
[1:44:33] Speaker 4: 17 rebounds.
[1:44:34] Speaker 2: We got a 6-4.
[1:44:34] Speaker 4: 17 rebounds.
[1:44:37] Speaker 2: Our big man didn't have 17 rebounds this year. You
[1:44:41] Speaker 2: like Luke Canard now? So that lets you know what
[1:44:44] Speaker 2: we're working with.
[1:44:47] Speaker 4: It looks amazing.
[1:44:48] Speaker 2: But, I mean, it's not like there's any extra comp
[1:44:53] Speaker 2: on the team for him to do anything. Hold on.
[1:44:54] Speaker 2: Luke Cano has 17 rebounds. He had a triple-double against
[1:44:57] Speaker 2: the Mavs. He had 16 rebounds against the Mavs.
[1:45:00] Speaker 3: That's the state of the NBA. Not your ordinary Caucasian,
[1:45:02] Speaker 3: can you? That's the state of the NBA. An elaborate Caucasian.
[1:45:05] Speaker 3: That's the state of the NBA. That's the state of
[1:45:07] Speaker 3: the Lakers. That too, but that's the state of the NBA.
[1:45:09] Speaker 3: When Luke Cano can go out and get 16, 17
[1:45:12] Speaker 3: rebounds in a game.
[1:45:13] Speaker 2: Hard working. Shout out to his triple-double. Canard. He's a shooter.
[1:45:23] Speaker 4: My shooter got a rebound.
[1:45:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the statement. So, yeah, what LeBron James is
[1:45:30] Speaker 2: doing is.
[1:45:32] Speaker 4: Okay. It is us.
[1:45:35] Speaker 2: We see the roster. Don't pretend we can't see it.
[1:45:39] Speaker 2: We see it.
[1:45:40] Speaker 3: I'm watching. I'm looking at it. Luke Canard's one and
[1:45:43] Speaker 3: only triple-double. So you say that's his 70th player of
[1:45:47] Speaker 3: the week?
[1:45:47] Speaker 2: Player of the week. That's it. Is that all?
[1:45:51] Speaker 4: 70?
[1:45:51] Speaker 2: The next person is like 33. I don't want to
[1:45:53] Speaker 2: say Kobe. What happened? Damn. 70th player of the week selection.
[1:46:02] Speaker 2: I think it's just truly amazing just to see him
[1:46:04] Speaker 2: at year 23. Player of the week. Yeah.
[1:46:07] Speaker 8: Like 80% of the NBA players can't do this.
[1:46:10] Speaker 5: I thought it would be more than that. You know
[1:46:12] Speaker 5: how hard player of the week is? Because we know
[1:46:14] Speaker 5: it's all. We know it's by. Like, you can average.
[1:46:17] Speaker 2: You can go 20 and 0 that month, right? Win
[1:46:21] Speaker 2: player of the month. Win player of the week twice.
[1:46:25] Speaker 4: Win player of the week once. Once.
[1:46:28] Speaker 2: But be player of the month, though. Yeah, your team
[1:46:30] Speaker 2: is undefeated. Undefeated, you average 40 of the month, but
[1:46:32] Speaker 2: you're not player of the week all four weeks.
[1:46:35] Speaker 1: So LeBron's 70 player of the week left is most
[1:46:38] Speaker 1: in NBA history. Kobe and Kevin Durant both tied for
[1:46:41] Speaker 1: second with 33.
[1:46:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought it would have been more. But
[1:46:45] Speaker 3: to Gil's point, though, yeah, I get it.
[1:46:49] Speaker 2: That's always been a weird one. I get it. But
[1:46:52] Speaker 2: obviously LeBron said this. I'm three and one. I'm playing
[1:46:53] Speaker 2: a week.
[1:46:54] Speaker 4: All right.
[1:46:55] Speaker 1: Adjustment for him. Started the season with the sciaticas. Had
[1:46:58] Speaker 1: to take a backseat to Luka and the awesome use
[1:47:01] Speaker 1: of points. Adjusting back into being the guy. Lakers did
[1:47:04] Speaker 1: win three straight games. If the Spurs done their job,
[1:47:06] Speaker 1: not Joker, would be the three seed.
[1:47:11] Speaker 2: But you're talking all that.
[1:47:13] Speaker 9: That's the tiebreaker shit. We on the tiebreaker, the tiebreaker,
[1:47:16] Speaker 9: the tiebreaker. We would have been under pressure. The 22-year-old
[1:47:20] Speaker 9: Frenchman would have. That shit didn't matter. Who loves the
[1:47:23] Speaker 9: game and loves competing. All that tiebreaker shit didn't matter.
[1:47:28] Speaker 9: I love competing. I don't duck.
[1:47:31] Speaker 2: Soccer at blue.
[1:47:32] Speaker 11: No, I thought it would have been more than that. But, hey,
[1:47:35] Speaker 11: 70 is a lot in the next B.
[1:47:37] Speaker 2: Shit, damn it. 40 away, 37.
[1:47:39] Speaker 3: That's impressive, so.
[1:47:41] Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, 25 player of the week for those who care. So, therefore,
[1:47:45] Speaker 2: that should tell you enough right there, right? To Gil's point.
[1:47:48] Speaker 2: With the jaundice. Yeah, to Gil's point. Yeah, you got.
[1:47:53] Speaker 3: To give it to somebody. They just can't keep giving
[1:47:55] Speaker 3: it to the same person every week.
[1:47:56] Speaker 2: LeBron, 41 player of the month, too, just in case.
[1:48:00] Speaker 3: Yeah. 41 player of the month. Yeah, like I said,
[1:48:05] Speaker 3: they could. Every month, just me. They just got to
[1:48:09] Speaker 3: give it to somebody else. You know what I mean?
[1:48:13] Speaker 3: That's all.
[1:48:14] Speaker 2: That is what it is. How do you hate your
[1:48:16] Speaker 2: favorite player? What's the next topic? Well, I saw you
[1:48:19] Speaker 2: shot in the LeBron James throwback high school jersey, St. Vincent, St. Mary's.
[1:48:23] Speaker 2: You don't even have that one. Yeah, as you know,
[1:48:25] Speaker 2: I'm plus size. They don't make some of those jerseys.
[1:48:28] Speaker 2: They just came back out. They did? Yeah, Nike bring
[1:48:31] Speaker 2: them back. Also, you know, shot.
[1:48:35] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[1:48:38] Speaker 2: Would you like to offer any thoughts? No thoughts. Pass.
[1:48:41] Speaker 14: Okay.
[1:48:41] Speaker 5: Pass.
[1:48:41] Speaker 2: That was easy. Hold on. I just wanted an awkward
[1:48:48] Speaker 2: silence real quick. All right, let's keep it moving.
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: So after the Lakers win over the Suns Friday, the Guardians'
[1:48:56] Speaker 1: Claire DeLune asked Bron what it takes to play for
[1:48:58] Speaker 1: as long as he has at a high level that
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: the average fan might not understand.
[1:49:02] Speaker 2: Bron had this to say. It starts way before you
[1:49:05] Speaker 2: get on the floor.
[1:49:07] Speaker 14: You know, obviously they see us once the game is,
[1:49:09] Speaker 14: you know, gone. The popcorn has been popped and the
[1:49:12] Speaker 14: lights are brighter. But that takes so much more like
[1:49:15] Speaker 14: sacrifice and discipline and things over.
[1:49:18] Speaker 2: The course if you want to be really great at this.
[1:49:21] Speaker 14: And if you want to do it for a long
[1:49:22] Speaker 14: period of time, it's just so many hours that you've
[1:49:25] Speaker 14: got to commit to it. There's so many things that you,
[1:49:27] Speaker 14: you know, maybe want to do that you can't. if
[1:49:31] Speaker 14: you want to be, you know, great. But everybody's journey
[1:49:35] Speaker 14: is different.
[1:49:35] Speaker 2: I'm just speaking of my journey.
[1:49:37] Speaker 14: But I do think that the game gives back to
[1:49:40] Speaker 14: the ones who put the time in and commit to
[1:49:43] Speaker 14: the game. It's just the game, guys, rewarding. You know,
[1:49:46] Speaker 14: and we don't cheat the process. I think that's what
[1:49:48] Speaker 14: it's all about. That's what I'm talking.
[1:49:51] Speaker 4: About, King.
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: So 60 games this season, Brian averaged 21.7 assists, six rebounds.
[1:49:57] Speaker 1: Average at least 25-5 in each of his 23 seasons
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: in the league. So I swear you hear what LeBron
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: said about doing the work that the fans don't get
[1:50:04] Speaker 1: to see behind the scenes. In your opinion, how impressive
[1:50:07] Speaker 1: was LeBron in year 23? Would you call it a
[1:50:09] Speaker 1: successful season for him?
[1:50:10] Speaker 2: Yes. For sure.
[1:50:12] Speaker 10: At his age, still demanding winning and being great in greatness.
[1:50:21] Speaker 2: He's LeBron James, man. The King. He put in the time.
[1:50:26] Speaker 10: You don't really see him in You know, TMZ type atmospheres.
[1:50:30] Speaker 10: You don't hear too many stories about him. Kept a
[1:50:34] Speaker 10: tight group. Spent what, a million something dollars on his body?
[1:50:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, man. He took it serious and it paid off
[1:50:43] Speaker 2: for him.
[1:50:45] Speaker 4: I respect.
[1:50:48] Speaker 2: It.
[1:50:48] Speaker 1: 60 games a season for LeBron, 41 years old. Lakers
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: three seed, most wins since 2020 when they won the
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: hardest championship in NBA history.
[1:50:57] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:50:57] Speaker 2: No, I think it's amazing. It's incredible.
[1:50:59] Speaker 8: Actually, at the age of 41, 80% probably of NBA
[1:51:04] Speaker 8: players couldn't do what he's doing right now. Averaging 21,
[1:51:07] Speaker 8: 6 and 7.
[1:51:10] Speaker 2: Played 60-some games.
[1:51:13] Speaker 8: His team is in fourth and still in the postseason.
[1:51:17] Speaker 8: So just hats off to him for that, man. I mean,
[1:51:21] Speaker 8: it's just truly incredible to see that for a guy
[1:51:24] Speaker 8: his age.
[1:51:25] Speaker 2: No, fuck no. Thank you. Okay. No, it's impressive. We've
[1:51:32] Speaker 2: never seen it.
[1:51:34] Speaker 3: Guys that 38, 39, like those years are a shell
[1:51:43] Speaker 3: of themselves at that point. He's defied science and history
[1:51:50] Speaker 3: with what he's doing to play 59, 60 games and
[1:51:56] Speaker 3: still be doing it at what some would most consider
[1:52:01] Speaker 3: at a high level for someone his age.
[1:52:03] Speaker 2: It's impressive. Very impressive. And to his.
[1:52:10] Speaker 3: Point, a lot of things have to go right. You
[1:52:14] Speaker 3: have to avoid major injury. You have to avoid a
[1:52:16] Speaker 3: lot of things. You have to sacrifice things. And I
[1:52:20] Speaker 3: appreciate he's done all of those things to to be
[1:52:24] Speaker 3: at this point of his career. Putting the time in, man,
[1:52:28] Speaker 3: believing in the process, and it's what you get out
[1:52:32] Speaker 3: of it. You get longevity, you get consistency. Yeah, that's
[1:52:39] Speaker 3: what he's displayed in year 23.
[1:52:41] Speaker 2: Sean, when.
[1:52:43] Speaker 1: You look at what LeBron's been able to do this
[1:52:45] Speaker 1: year in his 23rd NBA season, 25-5 yet again, stepping
[1:52:54] Speaker 1: up to the plate with Luka and AR down as
[1:52:56] Speaker 1: they enter the playoffs. How impressive has LeBron been this
[1:52:59] Speaker 1: season in your estimation?
[1:53:04] Speaker 6: I'm very impressive. He's been very consistent. I think, you know,
[1:53:11] Speaker 6: like Eddie Murphy said to Stevie Wonder, you want to
[1:53:12] Speaker 6: impress me? Grab the wheel and drive this motherfucker, motherfucker.
[1:53:15] Speaker 6: Let that production go up a little bit more.
[1:53:19] Speaker 2: Do more. Do the impossible. Average 30. Take them to
[1:53:23] Speaker 2: the chip. Win it all.
[1:53:25] Speaker 7: Do more. Get out of the first round without the
[1:53:27] Speaker 7: star players.
[1:53:29] Speaker 2: You don't think this is impossible?
[1:53:31] Speaker 4: Nick, why? Nick, why?
[1:53:33] Speaker 2: Nick, why? Nick, why?
[1:53:35] Speaker 4: Nick, why? Nick, why?
[1:53:37] Speaker 10: He can't jump now. Imagine jumping every day. Why are
[1:53:42] Speaker 10: you interrupting my statement? I didn't interrupt yours. He's just triggering,
[1:53:48] Speaker 10: ain't he?
[1:53:48] Speaker 4: He's triggering.
[1:53:49] Speaker 7: I get it.
[1:53:50] Speaker 4: He's triggering. I am.
[1:53:53] Speaker 2: But that's just my own. You ask me, Josiah.
[1:53:55] Speaker 7: That's me.
[1:53:56] Speaker 2: That's how I feel. I'm not impressed.
[1:53:58] Speaker 1: So would you be impressed if he was able to
[1:54:00] Speaker 1: get this Lakers squad out of the first round?
[1:54:02] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:54:02] Speaker 2: Without losing?
[1:54:03] Speaker 7: Yes.
[1:54:04] Speaker 2: That's impressive. And would you admit that on the show
[1:54:06] Speaker 2: if it does happen?
[1:54:07] Speaker 4: Yes, 100%.
[1:54:08] Speaker 7: It's impressive.
[1:54:09] Speaker 4: Get past KD?
[1:54:10] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:54:11] Speaker 3: Guess what, Joe? The playoffs have not started yet. That
[1:54:13] Speaker 3: day is not going to happen. We're ready to lock up.
[1:54:15] Speaker 2: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but
[1:54:17] Speaker 2: that day ain't going to happen. We have DeAndre Hayden.
[1:54:20] Speaker 2: Very impressive. Very.
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: It'll change the whole trajectory of his whole team. He's
[1:54:23] Speaker 3: the most important person on your team besides Luka Doncic.
[1:54:27] Speaker 2: He's ready to go, Katie. Because he needs to be. Yeah,
[1:54:33] Speaker 2: he does.
[1:54:33] Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, Lakers now face their biggest test of
[1:54:35] Speaker 1: the season, opening round matchup against KD and the Rockets.
[1:54:38] Speaker 2: According to reports, Luka will return to L.A. by this Friday.
[1:54:42] Speaker 1: He's been in Spain and in Slovenia getting treatment on
[1:54:46] Speaker 1: his hamstring, hopefully getting some revolutionary treatments. With the hope
[1:54:51] Speaker 1: that he'll be able to return by game three or four.
[1:54:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, I see.
[1:54:55] Speaker 3: That is all bad. I'm going to say it's all bad.
[1:54:58] Speaker 3: Also means I think he's going to be out for
[1:54:59] Speaker 3: the entire first round. And just to come back with
[1:55:02] Speaker 3: a hamstring and try to come out and compete, though,
[1:55:04] Speaker 3: it's just, it's nasty.
[1:55:08] Speaker 1: If you were the Lakers' J.J. Redick, how would you
[1:55:10] Speaker 1: try to build a game plan? Squeeze out some wins
[1:55:14] Speaker 1: to hopefully get Luka back.
[1:55:15] Speaker 4: Pray.
[1:55:15] Speaker 2: Pray.
[1:55:17] Speaker 10: OKC didn't just whoop our ass. They killed the whole
[1:55:19] Speaker 10: season in one game.
[1:55:21] Speaker 2: That's crazy. Just pray. One game destroyed the whole season.
[1:55:28] Speaker 10: That's crazy.
[1:55:30] Speaker 2: One by 53 niggas got hurt. Oh my God. I
[1:55:37] Speaker 2: see you taking sufficient notes. Someone texted me and said, bro,
[1:55:42] Speaker 2: you might be right. Go to Tim Duncan.
[1:55:45] Speaker 12: And then every year he won a championship who he
[1:55:47] Speaker 12: had to guard for his matchup. And then when they
[1:55:53] Speaker 12: didn't make it, who he had to guard.
[1:55:56] Speaker 2: So his first championship. I don't want to hear that
[1:55:58] Speaker 2: shit because I played that shit one of them years.
[1:55:59] Speaker 2: He had to guard Dean Garrett, J.R. Reid, Brian Grant,
[1:56:05] Speaker 2: Chris Dudley.
[1:56:06] Speaker 4: Huh?
[1:56:07] Speaker 2: No, he guarded in the championship Chris Dudley and Kurt Thomas.
[1:56:10] Speaker 2: In the championship? In the championship he guarded Chris Dudley
[1:56:12] Speaker 2: and Kurt. The first one?
[1:56:15] Speaker 11: In the championship because it was New York Knicks, you know,
[1:56:16] Speaker 11: because he didn't play the center. So they had David Robinson, right?
[1:56:19] Speaker 11: So David Robinson played all the centers. So he played
[1:56:21] Speaker 11: the power forwards. And back then, power.
[1:56:23] Speaker 5: Forwards wasn't really popping like that until all of, you know,
[1:56:26] Speaker 5: to like the end of the 2000s. So first round,
[1:56:28] Speaker 5: he played Dean Garrett. Second round, J.R.
[1:56:32] Speaker 4: Reid.
[1:56:33] Speaker 2: We got the Lakers, right?
[1:56:34] Speaker 4: We had Shaq, so he don't got to guard Shaq.
[1:56:36] Speaker 2: So he guarded J.R.
[1:56:37] Speaker 4: Reid.
[1:56:38] Speaker 5: And then he guarded Brian Grant. And then he guarded...
[1:56:41] Speaker 5: Who was finals MVP? Was it Dave Robbins? I'm pretty
[1:56:45] Speaker 5: sure Dave Robbins because Dave Robbins was getting his ass.
[1:56:47] Speaker 2: He had to guard Shaq. He had to guard Shaq,
[1:56:50] Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett, motherfucker. He had to guard Patrick Ewing. So
[1:56:54] Speaker 2: his ass was worn out. Who was fighting? The young dude, right?
[1:56:58] Speaker 2: Because he had all the energy.
[1:56:59] Speaker 5: You hear his matchup, but then you hear David Robinson's
[1:57:02] Speaker 5: matchup he like I.
[1:57:24] Speaker 2: My daddy wore your ass out.
[1:57:25] Speaker 3: Nigga, my first year in the playoffs, I had to
[1:57:28] Speaker 3: wrestle with fucking J.O. in the first round, then P.J. Brown,
[1:57:32] Speaker 3: then Charlotte, and then motherfucking had to guard Twan.
[1:57:36] Speaker 4: Oh.
[1:57:36] Speaker 2: Yeah. Twan, Twan. Yeah, and Twan Walker. And Twan Walker.
[1:57:40] Speaker 2: All NBA and Twan Walker. Your argument is about match-ups
[1:57:46] Speaker 2: or energy? No, it's just match-ups. It's all this. Okay.
[1:57:51] Speaker 2: How about this?
[1:57:52] Speaker 4: It's matchups.
[1:57:54] Speaker 5: How much energy do you think he, let's say it again.
[1:57:56] Speaker 5: How much energy do you think Tim Duncan had to
[1:58:00] Speaker 5: waste on Dean Garrett?
[1:58:01] Speaker 4: He don't know.
[1:58:02] Speaker 2: Do you know Dean Garrett? I don't think he. knows. Okay, okay.
[1:58:05] Speaker 2: Dean Garrett. Just think about the name. You never heard
[1:58:07] Speaker 2: of him.
[1:58:08] Speaker 5: So imagine what type of offense Dean Garrett had to
[1:58:10] Speaker 5: do for Tim Duncan.
[1:58:12] Speaker 2: Okay? And then J.R.
[1:58:13] Speaker 4: Reid.
[1:58:16] Speaker 2: Do you even know who that is either? Nope. Okay.
[1:58:19] Speaker 5: Brian Gordon. So David Robinson had to guard Shaquille O'Neal.
[1:58:26] Speaker 2: Was this a rookie team? No, this is their first championship.
[1:58:30] Speaker 2: It's the first championship.
[1:58:32] Speaker 10: He guarded all those people and he still won the championship.
[1:58:35] Speaker 7: The best player didn't.
[1:58:37] Speaker 2: Have to guard nobody.
[1:58:38] Speaker 5: See, they won a championship because my best player gets
[1:58:42] Speaker 5: to be the best player still.
[1:58:44] Speaker 2: Are you not realizing what I'm saying? Tim Duncan was
[1:58:47] Speaker 2: a rookie. No, no.
[1:58:49] Speaker 10: The second year is better than David Robertson already. So
[1:58:54] Speaker 10: when Kawhi won finals MVP, he was better than all
[1:58:57] Speaker 10: them niggas then, too?
[1:58:58] Speaker 11: I got volleyball games. He averaged 14. So was he
[1:59:01] Speaker 11: better than all of them? We have one more thing.
[1:59:03] Speaker 11: Who was in the match? You said two topics.
[1:59:05] Speaker 3: It was LeBron and that we already did.
[1:59:07] Speaker 4: No, Gil interjected. You can say that, but he guarded fucking.
[1:59:12] Speaker 2: Very quick.
[1:59:13] Speaker 4: What?
[1:59:13] Speaker 2: He guarded who? You know who he's guarding. In the finals.
[1:59:19] Speaker 1: One last thing we need to cover before we call
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: it a day. Playing tournament begins tonight. Throughout the playoffs,
[1:59:24] Speaker 1: we will be making team picks using underdogs prediction markets,
[1:59:28] Speaker 1: which you can do as well. We'll keep a leaderboard
[1:59:30] Speaker 1: of the couch's picks throughout the entire playoffs. Starts with
[1:59:33] Speaker 1: Rashad's Hornets. Rashad, you did say the Hornets were going
[1:59:35] Speaker 1: to have a better season than the Milwaukee Bucks.
[1:59:37] Speaker 2: Don't think I forgot. Oh, you didn't forget. I don't
[1:59:39] Speaker 2: think anybody forgot. They did do that. So the Hornets.
[1:59:42] Speaker 2: Who got the Hornets tonight?
[1:59:44] Speaker 1: The Heat are traveling to Charlotte for the 9-10 matchup
[1:59:47] Speaker 1: in the East.
[1:59:48] Speaker 2: Hornets are 5.5. I would like to see them win,
[1:59:51] Speaker 2: but I don't think.
[1:59:52] Speaker 1: 5.5-point favorites, so 5.5-point favorites. You got Miami? 68% chance
[1:59:56] Speaker 1: to win the game. Let's go around the couch. We'll
[1:59:58] Speaker 1: start with you. Mr. B, who are you taking in
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: Heat Hornets?
[2:00:02] Speaker 2: I'm taking the Hornets. Mr. B, you're taking the Hornets. Swaggy,
[2:00:05] Speaker 2: who are you taking in Heat Hornets? Everybody healthy on Miami, right?
[2:00:08] Speaker 2: Healthy enough. I got Miami. I don't see them losing
[2:00:13] Speaker 2: in these type of games. They don't normally lose. So, Miami.
[2:00:19] Speaker 2: They don't normally lose.
[2:00:20] Speaker 10: In these type of atmospheres. They're a tough team. You
[2:00:25] Speaker 10: got Pat Riley. I would like to see the Hornets
[2:00:30] Speaker 10: do something, but I got Miami.
[2:00:31] Speaker 2: Did they make the playoffs last year? Miami? We don't know.
[2:00:38] Speaker 5: We don't remember. I know they did that with Jim Butler.
[2:00:42] Speaker 5: So I'm going to go with Charlotte. Let's move over
[2:00:45] Speaker 5: to Sean. He's taking Charlotte. Are you still rolling?
[2:00:50] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:00:51] Speaker 4: You can't switch sides.
[2:00:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:00:57] Speaker 4: You know he wanted to.
[2:00:58] Speaker 2: Confidence coffee. I know he's sitting over here. Fuck, these
[2:01:02] Speaker 2: niggas want to pick Charlotte.
[2:01:06] Speaker 1: So let's shift over to Adam Silver's Western Conference. A
[2:01:10] Speaker 1: lot of supporters of your Hornets squad.
[2:01:14] Speaker 2: He's sitting like, these motherfuckers.
[2:01:18] Speaker 4: If you're smart. If you're smart, man.
[2:01:22] Speaker 7: I ain't lost it.
[2:01:24] Speaker 4: It's hard to lose on this side.
[2:01:26] Speaker 1: In the West, the 7-8 matchup goes down in Phoenix
[2:01:28] Speaker 1: where the Blazers are set to take on the Suns.
[2:01:31] Speaker 1: Winner of this game gets the pleasure of playing Wimby
[2:01:33] Speaker 1: and the Spurs in the next round. Tonight, the Suns
[2:01:36] Speaker 1: are four and a half point favorite. with a 60%
[2:01:39] Speaker 1: chance to win the game, while the Blazers are 41%
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: to win on underdogs prediction market. So, Shai, we will
[2:01:44] Speaker 1: start with you. We'll go in reverse order on the
[2:01:46] Speaker 1: couch now. Who are you taking in Blazers-Suns?
[2:01:49] Speaker 2: Blazers. Denny Optian. Yeah. Blazers-Suns. Suns. Okay. Taking the Phoenix Suns. Gil,
[2:02:01] Speaker 2: over to yourself. Blazers-Suns.
[2:02:03] Speaker 5: I'm going to take the Suns, but I'm scared of
[2:02:06] Speaker 5: the Blazers because they have beaten some really good teams
[2:02:08] Speaker 5: this year.
[2:02:09] Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on over there, but they're
[2:02:11] Speaker 2: finding ways to win. But I'm going to take the Suns.
[2:02:15] Speaker 2: That's why he left. Taking the Suns. Okay. Taking the
[2:02:18] Speaker 2: Suns also.
[2:02:18] Speaker 4: All right.
[2:02:19] Speaker 2: A lot of Suns supporters. Who the Roach taking? Huh?
[2:02:24] Speaker 2: Who the Roach team? The Blazers?
[2:02:28] Speaker 1: He's taking the Blazers. The Roach has been removed from
[2:02:31] Speaker 1: the arena. If the Roach is still alive, it is
[2:02:33] Speaker 1: not happy. Shout out to Major Payne. Appreciate everybody in
[2:02:37] Speaker 1: this chat. Ladies and gentlemen, the plane is here. Playoffs
[2:02:39] Speaker 1: right around the corner start this week. It is postseason
[2:02:42] Speaker 1: basketball in the National Basketball Association. Let's turn up. We
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: got shows for y'all for the next couple of days.
[2:02:47] Speaker 1: But again, appreciate everybody on the chat. Appreciate everybody on
[2:02:50] Speaker 1: this couch as always. Appreciate you, Gil. Payday right around
[2:02:55] Speaker 1: the corner. Tax day coming up soon. Jackie Robinson Day.
[2:02:57] Speaker 1: Let's watch some baseball as a family. Pick a team
[2:03:01] Speaker 1: and support. But this has been another episode of Gil's
[2:03:04] Speaker 1: Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:03:06] Speaker 4: We will see y'all tomorrow.

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