# The Arena BATTLES Over Kawhi’s Return, PG's Fit In Boston & Westbrook’s All-Time Legacy Part 2

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 17 Sep 2026, 1 h 16 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: All right, so one more thing back to the Celtics
[0:02] Speaker 1: real quick, and then we'll keep this thing moving. We
[0:04] Speaker 1: talked a little bit about Tatum. Came back for 16
[0:06] Speaker 1: games last season after the Achilles injury. Average, what, 22 points,
[0:09] Speaker 1: 10 rebounds, 5 assists in those 16 games. Average 23,
[0:13] Speaker 1: 11 rebounds, 7 assists in the playoffs. Missed game 7
[0:16] Speaker 1: with a knee issue. We saw what JB did with
[0:19] Speaker 1: this team when Tatum was down. Second in the East, 56-26.
[0:23] Speaker 1: How much pressure is on Jason Tatum now? to keep
[0:27] Speaker 1: the Celtics competitive this season.
[0:29] Speaker 2: All the pressure. A lot of pressure. 150%.
[0:31] Speaker 3: We got zero pressure. Why you got zero? Why you
[0:33] Speaker 3: got zero? Because you can't trade me too. What happens
[0:42] Speaker 3: when it's a bad season?
[0:45] Speaker 2: It's not that, though. It's a blame game.
[0:47] Speaker 4: Y'all can't act like it ain't no mental warfare finna
[0:51] Speaker 4: creep in. It's gonna be some mental warfare if all
[0:53] Speaker 4: of a sudden they six seed or seven seed and
[0:56] Speaker 4: they was just chilling at second seed with JB in
[0:59] Speaker 4: the seat.
[1:00] Speaker 3: I was just trying to Take the pressure off, but
[1:04] Speaker 3: if our number two option just took us here the
[1:07] Speaker 3: whole year. Finals MVP. You the number one option. You
[1:10] Speaker 3: best to put us somewhere.
[1:12] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? They were number one. JB
[1:14] Speaker 2: carried us. Number one and number two all year. Just saying.
[1:18] Speaker 3: And I'm just going to be fair. And JB did
[1:22] Speaker 3: it and lost most of the starters.
[1:27] Speaker 2: Al Horford was gone. Drew Holiday was gone. Remember, they
[1:29] Speaker 2: left too. They did not circumvent the fact they had
[1:32] Speaker 2: to do it. It was a whole different team, so
[1:34] Speaker 2: he took a different team.
[1:35] Speaker 5: But if JT goes past the first round, it's all forgiven.
[1:39] Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. Say if they literally fifth seed
[1:44] Speaker 5: They get past the first round, so they didn't even
[1:45] Speaker 5: make it to the Eastern Conference Finals. Like we said,
[1:47] Speaker 5: with Kawhi or even JT, you speak on it. His
[1:50] Speaker 5: year might be a little bit different of unleashing himself
[1:52] Speaker 5: in regards to averaging 32, 33. JT can make it
[1:56] Speaker 5: to the second round?
[1:58] Speaker 2: Oh, he get 30? Yeah, he going to get it. Oh,
[2:00] Speaker 2: he do it. All you got to do is average
[2:02] Speaker 2: 35 for a week in the playoffs.
[2:04] Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. I've watched JT get 50 three
[2:08] Speaker 5: times in the span of a month.
[2:09] Speaker 6: I don't think him scoring points is– That's all I need.
[2:14] Speaker 2: He going to do that regardless. We're talking about carrying
[2:16] Speaker 2: a team.
[2:17] Speaker 5: No, I believe he can carry the team.
[2:18] Speaker 4: He can go score 50. Carrying a team through a
[2:21] Speaker 4: whole regular season, that's something.
[2:22] Speaker 5: Yeah, but when we talk about the intangibles, even last
[2:24] Speaker 5: year when we were talking about carrying a team, J.P. finished, what,
[2:27] Speaker 5: second in the East? Imagine how many teams came up short.
[2:30] Speaker 5: Remember the Magic. We all thought the Magic were going
[2:32] Speaker 5: to be a top two or three team. Last year,
[2:34] Speaker 5: we thought the Orlando Magic were going to be a
[2:36] Speaker 5: top three team in the East.
[2:37] Speaker 2: I ain't never think that. Hold on. No, it was
[2:39] Speaker 2: talking about. Yes.
[2:40] Speaker 5: I ain't never think that.
[2:42] Speaker 2: But you got Paolo hurt, Franz hurt. I mean, I'm
[2:43] Speaker 2: just saying. No, no, no.
[2:44] Speaker 6: I wasn't part of that conversation.
[2:45] Speaker 4: Stuff happens, but that's what we had to begin with.
[2:48] Speaker 2: They were looking at that group.
[2:49] Speaker 5: The NBA championship. The champions, Nick, they started tweaking halfway
[2:53] Speaker 5: through the season. There were certain things that occurred where
[2:56] Speaker 5: it came down to where it's like, hey, bro, we're
[2:58] Speaker 5: going to fret over a top two finish or a
[3:00] Speaker 5: JT comes, pause, and it's a four or five finish
[3:03] Speaker 5: as opposed to how they play in the playoffs.
[3:05] Speaker 3: Right.
[3:06] Speaker 5: Because when we come down to it, there were so
[3:07] Speaker 5: many teams that somewhat underachieved. Magic being one of them.
[3:10] Speaker 5: And that has to matter in that sense.
[3:12] Speaker 2: You don't remember when Bang came over there pointing at people?
[3:14] Speaker 2: People thought this was cold as hell when they got together.
[3:17] Speaker 2: When all that got together.
[3:17] Speaker 5: You don't remember that Magic was supposed to be a
[3:19] Speaker 5: top two, three team last year.
[3:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I can fuck with that. It's Orlando Magic.
[3:22] Speaker 2: Top three?
[3:23] Speaker 5: What's wrong with this dude?
[3:27] Speaker 3: Top three. Giannis was back. Did you think of him?
[3:31] Speaker 3: You think of Philly coming back?
[3:33] Speaker 2: You thought you were going to win? I was actually
[3:35] Speaker 2: against the trade. They got last year. Last season, We
[3:42] Speaker 2: had Boston healthy, right? No. We thought. But we still thought.
[3:47] Speaker 4: We thought JV was going to struggle.
[3:50] Speaker 2: JV? We had New York, Detroit. We had Detroit up there.
[3:55] Speaker 2: Nobody had Detroit up there. But you had Hallie and
[3:59] Speaker 2: the Pacers out to mix. We had Hallie and the
[4:01] Speaker 2: Pacers out to mix. You weren't really feeling the Bucs
[4:02] Speaker 2: at that point. Giannis had been hurt numerous times that day.
[4:04] Speaker 2: It was an open deal. Yes, we did. Detroit always
[4:09] Speaker 2: battles it out with New York and Boston. We did
[4:11] Speaker 2: not have the Bucs beating that bad last year. But
[4:13] Speaker 2: Detroit was sixth. We had them top three last year.
[4:15] Speaker 5: Were Ryan Rollins as a third point guard?
[4:17] Speaker 2: Before the season? Yes. Hell no. I think you tweaking, buddy. Yes,
[4:22] Speaker 2: it was the Knicks. It was the Knicks. It was.
[4:25] Speaker 5: They got rid of Dane.
[4:27] Speaker 2: It wasn't Detroit. They got rid of Dane last year.
[4:29] Speaker 2: I feel like it was still in the mix. We
[4:31] Speaker 2: have Cavs number one. We have Cavs number one. That's
[4:35] Speaker 2: three right there. We have New York number three. Milwaukee
[4:38] Speaker 2: came up two straight. Nobody talked about Orlando because we
[4:41] Speaker 2: had Cavs in front of Orlando. They said Orlando was
[4:44] Speaker 2: going to be a fifth or sixth seed.
[4:45] Speaker 4: But as a regular season team, they've been saying that.
[4:49] Speaker 2: I never heard that. As a regular season team, with
[4:52] Speaker 2: the young bodies they had over there, they thought.
[4:54] Speaker 4: When Desmond Bain first got traded, they were saying they
[4:57] Speaker 4: were going to be top three. They said Paolo was
[4:59] Speaker 4: getting ready to take his next steps.
[5:01] Speaker 2: A lot of people. I worked with ESPN. A lot
[5:04] Speaker 2: of shows. A lot of shows. I heard it. It's crazy, bro.
[5:09] Speaker 2: It's one thing to believe it. It's nothing to hear it.
[5:11] Speaker 2: I didn't believe it. But I heard it. They start
[5:13] Speaker 2: talking about their struggles.
[5:15] Speaker 4: They start saying they should at least be a fifth
[5:18] Speaker 4: or sixth seed.
[5:19] Speaker 2: They underachieved that. Fifth or sixth? They got into the playoffs.
[5:23] Speaker 2: That makes sense. I think 56. What I'm saying is
[5:26] Speaker 2: the expectation for them, they underachieved.
[5:28] Speaker 1: Well, that's what Paolo's talking about. We're trying to take
[5:29] Speaker 1: the East. You know, there was all that stuff going on. Obviously,
[5:32] Speaker 1: we played a factor. But back to Tatum. Y'all don't
[5:33] Speaker 1: think Tatum has pressure?
[5:34] Speaker 2: There's a whole lot of pressure. Or does he have
[5:37] Speaker 2: enough of a pressure?
[5:38] Speaker 1: Pass with that organization and still use an injury to his.
[5:40] Speaker 7: Listen, he doesn't have the pressure that Gil's talking about. No,
[5:42] Speaker 7: they're not going to trade him or anything like that.
[5:44] Speaker 2: They're not... But he's carrying the pressure for the organization.
[5:46] Speaker 2: But the pressure that natural stars have... More psychological. His own.
[5:50] Speaker 7: The pressure that he puts on himself, the outside noise,
[5:53] Speaker 7: if he comes out here and Boston is not one
[5:56] Speaker 7: of the top-tier teams or if they're a playing team...
[5:59] Speaker 7: You know all the shows. We ain't saying this one,
[6:01] Speaker 7: but all the shows are going to be saying, maybe
[6:03] Speaker 7: they were better with JB. Maybe they should have kept JB.
[6:06] Speaker 7: Maybe they needed that guy. Maybe they shouldn't have broke
[6:08] Speaker 7: down this roster.
[6:09] Speaker 6: On top of that, battling coming off that injury.
[6:13] Speaker 2: Exactly. But when you're the number.
[6:15] Speaker 7: One guy, And the number two guy had us up here.
[6:19] Speaker 2: When you come back, they expect you to keep the
[6:21] Speaker 2: same energy and keep the team up here. Because if
[6:24] Speaker 2: the team drops down, there will be questions. That's all
[6:27] Speaker 2: I'm saying. And that's where the pressure comes in. I'm
[6:29] Speaker 2: going to use an injury. I don't think all the pressure...
[6:33] Speaker 2: I'm giving him excuses.
[6:35] Speaker 4: But the real pressure don't really come from Jason Tatum
[6:38] Speaker 4: having to perform. It come from him having to perform
[6:41] Speaker 4: to make sure that Boston don't look stupid. Because Boston
[6:45] Speaker 4: is who's going to look dumb. JT is just his
[6:48] Speaker 4: man's left.
[6:49] Speaker 2: They look dumb anyway.
[6:49] Speaker 6: Well, if Boston start looking dumb, that's when the finger
[6:53] Speaker 6: points start.
[6:54] Speaker 2: So with that regarded, it's going to be pressure.
[6:56] Speaker 4: I'm just saying, the pressure he's going to have to
[6:58] Speaker 4: deal with, I don't think it's going to be as
[7:00] Speaker 4: much with... The injury and him feeling like he can't
[7:04] Speaker 4: score 35. Especially if you went around. I think like
[7:06] Speaker 4: we all are saying, when we've seen him play healthy,
[7:09] Speaker 4: the man can hoop. He's going to do his thing.
[7:10] Speaker 2: 100%. But he also had that insurance behind him. Without
[7:13] Speaker 2: a doubt.
[7:14] Speaker 4: The insurance is gone, but I think the insurance is gone.
[7:16] Speaker 4: This is a new look JT. But I'm saying, they'll
[7:19] Speaker 4: do like he was saying, where it's like they're not
[7:20] Speaker 4: going to trade him or have no animosity.
[7:22] Speaker 2: Toward the man. I don't think they traded him.
[7:24] Speaker 4: But they will have that face if it's like, now
[7:27] Speaker 4: we look dumb keeping.
[7:28] Speaker 2: You, though. That exit meeting at the end of the
[7:30] Speaker 2: year is going to be a little different.
[7:32] Speaker 5: He gets a pass for this season.
[7:33] Speaker 3: It's going to be a little different than what he's
[7:35] Speaker 3: used to. That mother about to come out there.
[7:37] Speaker 2: And have about 35. He's going to have 35. Every
[7:39] Speaker 2: single night. He's going crazy. He's going to have 35.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Are they going to win?
[7:43] Speaker 5: Why do you think it was warranted for them to
[7:46] Speaker 5: shop JB for Giannis?
[7:49] Speaker 2: I want to know.
[7:49] Speaker 5: You thought JB's next five years wouldn't be better than Giannis'
[7:53] Speaker 5: next five years or his past three years?
[7:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want to know.
[7:56] Speaker 5: Because I like to argue this because I've been sitting
[7:58] Speaker 5: there being like, no, JB, that was a dumb trade.
[8:01] Speaker 3: So when you're talking about, like, there's certain people that
[8:06] Speaker 3: are free agents and you hear.
[8:07] Speaker 2: Their name come up and you're like, what, what? I
[8:11] Speaker 2: might have to. So I'm like, okay, I already have
[8:14] Speaker 2: a two, three, four.
[8:16] Speaker 3: Now I get a four, five who's unstoppable, who's gonna
[8:20] Speaker 3: get those free throws. These free throws is gonna help
[8:23] Speaker 3: him get easier shots.
[8:25] Speaker 2: I don't know how I not take that.
[8:26] Speaker 5: Even if his body's been breaking down or he just says, like, eventually.
[8:29] Speaker 3: But it breaks down because he does everything. And now
[8:32] Speaker 3: he don't have to because we have JT. So they
[8:34] Speaker 3: can play off each other. Like, I got an outside and.
[8:36] Speaker 2: An inside guy. You said it wasn't as dumb as
[8:38] Speaker 2: it looks.
[8:39] Speaker 3: It's not that I might have to take that.
[8:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[8:41] Speaker 4: You know what I mean? I wasn't mad at that. Like,
[8:44] Speaker 4: the JV for Giannis made sense. Like you said, you
[8:46] Speaker 4: would have been like, hey, look, I'm sorry. I had
[8:48] Speaker 4: to do it.
[8:48] Speaker 2: They didn't do that, though. That's still a two-headed muscle.
[8:51] Speaker 2: That's still a two-headed muscle.
[8:53] Speaker 5: I'm saying for like maybe two or three years after
[8:55] Speaker 5: his body then broke down. Now you look at JB
[8:57] Speaker 5: and JT.
[8:57] Speaker 2: Oh, they worry about it now. I guess, man. I
[9:01] Speaker 2: love it.
[9:01] Speaker 6: For all we know, they may be limiting the time
[9:04] Speaker 6: on JT.
[9:04] Speaker 4: That's why they wanted to get Giannis. Like, JT just
[9:08] Speaker 4: suffered what people call a career-ending injury.
[9:11] Speaker 2: Yeah. We're going to go get a new insurance for him,
[9:14] Speaker 2: which would have been Giannis.
[9:15] Speaker 6: And we're going to maximize these couple of years we
[9:17] Speaker 6: got with these two. they might be seeing his run
[9:21] Speaker 6: coming to an end eventually. So just never know how
[9:24] Speaker 6: the organization is looking at it.
[9:25] Speaker 2: All right, well, let's keep this. I remember talking to Wizards, right?
[9:33] Speaker 3: Feeling Wall wasn't really feeling each other, right? So I
[9:37] Speaker 3: had to try to play middleman.
[9:39] Speaker 2: So I'm talking to Wall, like, hey man, try. I'm
[9:41] Speaker 2: trying to be. Yeah, I'm trying to. Yeah, yeah.
[9:44] Speaker 3: Because you got to remember, I'm the one, remember, I'm the.
[9:47] Speaker 2: One when Wall came.
[9:49] Speaker 3: When Wall came, here's the keys.
[9:52] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[9:53] Speaker 5: So I had to. You was a good dude for that.
[9:55] Speaker 5: You ain't tripping.
[9:55] Speaker 2: Up.
[9:55] Speaker 3: So I had to basically let him know, hey, remember,
[10:00] Speaker 3: when you was out, he's held this team down.
[10:04] Speaker 2: These players believe in him.
[10:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[10:07] Speaker 2: You can't come back fighting him because you're fighting them now.
[10:10] Speaker 5: Yeah, because that playoff run he averaged, as a 21-year-old,
[10:13] Speaker 5: Bill averaged like 26, 7, and 7.
[10:15] Speaker 2: So I said, it's.
[10:17] Speaker 3: His team, and you're the point guard looking for him now.
[10:20] Speaker 3: So you have to understand this is different. You can't
[10:22] Speaker 3: be sitting there fighting with him anymore. That's not how
[10:25] Speaker 3: this works. This is his team now, right?
[10:27] Speaker 2: I have to let... Wait a minute. No, no, no.
[10:31] Speaker 2: So they told me. What did John say when you
[10:33] Speaker 2: said that? Yeah, like what? You said it wasn't John's
[10:36] Speaker 2: team no more.
[10:36] Speaker 5: John told Scott.
[10:37] Speaker 2: When did it become Bradley Beal's team? When he led
[10:40] Speaker 2: the team, when he led the league. It became Bradley
[10:42] Speaker 2: Beal's team after John left. No, when John got hurt. Remember,
[10:44] Speaker 2: John was hurt for time. I remember. So Beal led
[10:47] Speaker 2: the team in scoring and all that. He led the
[10:48] Speaker 2: league in scoring.
[10:49] Speaker 5: He went crazy in that playoff series.
[10:51] Speaker 3: So you're not coming back trying to be the number
[10:52] Speaker 3: one option no more.
[10:53] Speaker 2: How is he not the number one option? Was he
[10:55] Speaker 2: scoring champion? Huh?
[10:56] Speaker 4: Huh?
[10:57] Speaker 2: When did he get a scoring championship?
[10:59] Speaker 5: He won scoring championship.
[11:00] Speaker 2: He was going 60s. He averaged 30. He led the
[11:01] Speaker 2: league in scoring that year.
[11:02] Speaker 3: He averaged 30 after John left.
[11:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. He didn't average 30 while John was there. That
[11:09] Speaker 2: was 30 after John left. Bill, if it wasn't 30,
[11:11] Speaker 2: he was close to 30. He averaged 30 and they
[11:13] Speaker 2: were ass. He was dogging like that? Yeah. He had 30.5. Yeah.
[11:15] Speaker 2: And they were ass. Yeah. Yeah. He was averaging 30. No, no, no, no, no.
[11:22] Speaker 2: He had the back-to-back 30s. 30 then 31. Okay. Jesus. Yeah.
[11:26] Speaker 2: Then he was going that crazy. But that's what I'm saying.
[11:30] Speaker 2: My bad, Brad. My boy, too. My bad, Brad.
[11:32] Speaker 4: I didn't know you were doing that.
[11:34] Speaker 3: So John Wall is still like, oh, man, I think
[11:36] Speaker 3: they're going.
[11:36] Speaker 2: To trade me. And I said, they was like, we're
[11:39] Speaker 2: not trading John Wall, right? We're not. We're not trading
[11:41] Speaker 2: John Wall. You can let them know we're not trading him.
[11:42] Speaker 2: A couple days later, they traded him. Heard that before.
[11:47] Speaker 2: And I'm sitting here like, no, no. So I'm sitting like.
[11:49] Speaker 3: Yo, you just told me that he was like, imagine
[11:55] Speaker 3: you're good. And then you get a call saying, hey,
[11:57] Speaker 3: we're trying to get rid of Westbrook. How do I
[12:02] Speaker 3: turn down Westbrook? healthy, guard, triple-double guy, and I have Bill.
[12:09] Speaker 2: What? I have a guy who's been injured for two years?
[12:11] Speaker 2: Does he have a guy who's been injured for two years?
[12:14] Speaker 2: He said so. They did. With Westbrook and Bill, they
[12:16] Speaker 2: didn't make the playoffs? I could have sworn they did.
[12:18] Speaker 2: It was a triple-double and they made the playoffs. They
[12:20] Speaker 2: made the playoffs? In the East? I'm not remembering. I'm
[12:22] Speaker 2: not sure.
[12:23] Speaker 5: He said, I have a triple-double guy.
[12:34] Speaker 3: MVP guy, and I have a guy who's injured, and
[12:37] Speaker 3: they want to trade him, how do I not trade him?
[12:39] Speaker 2: Joe, you sure they made the playoffs? You looking this up?
[12:41] Speaker 2: I'm looking it up right now. They made it, bro.
[12:43] Speaker 2: So there's some guys that you just got to make
[12:45] Speaker 2: the move for. I don't think they was over 500,
[12:46] Speaker 2: but they made the playoffs.
[12:47] Speaker 5: They skipped in. It was like a lot of bad teams.
[12:50] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's always like that need.
[12:51] Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody got to play.
[12:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they made it 20-21. They lost in the
[12:55] Speaker 1: first round. And he averaged a triple-double, right?
[12:57] Speaker 5: Yeah, he averaged a triple-double, yeah.
[13:00] Speaker 2: And I can tell you this. Who averaged a triple-double? Russ. Yes,
[13:03] Speaker 2: he averaged a triple-double. They got rid of him. Russ, Russ, Russ.
[13:06] Speaker 2: They got rid of him. No, no, no, no, no.
[13:09] Speaker 3: No, I'm still blowing it up. They were begging Russell.
[13:13] Speaker 3: They were begging Russell not to leave.
[13:15] Speaker 2: He didn't want to be there? He wanted to be
[13:17] Speaker 2: home for the first time. He went to the Lakers
[13:20] Speaker 2: after that, right? All down here.
[13:22] Speaker 3: Ted Leone is like, he came here, you have his triple-double,
[13:25] Speaker 3: Bill loves you, like, perfect. They was like, hey, please,
[13:28] Speaker 3: it's not greener over there. He was telling them, it's
[13:31] Speaker 3: not going to be greener over there. And Russ was like, yeah,
[13:33] Speaker 3: I want to be home for the first time.
[13:34] Speaker 2: But I'm an L.A. nigga, and I'm trying to get
[13:36] Speaker 2: back to the crib. And anyway, he was... Did my
[13:38] Speaker 2: dog dirty.
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[14:04] Speaker 1: celtics one of the most surprising squads in the league
[14:08] Speaker 1: last season with tatum sideline for most season jaylen brown
[14:11] Speaker 1: but the team on his back led them to a
[14:12] Speaker 1: second place finish in the eastern conference we just talked
[14:15] Speaker 1: about a little bit boston won 56 games last season
[14:19] Speaker 1: this season Their projected win total is 51 games with 72%
[14:23] Speaker 1: of traders on Polymarket predicting they will hit that mark.
[14:26] Speaker 2: So, Evan, we'll start with you first.
[14:28] Speaker 1: Will the Celtics win at least 51 games this season?
[14:31] Speaker 5: Yes, I think they'll win at least 51 games.
[14:34] Speaker 2: Oh, okay. 1,000%. I'm taking the under. I'm going under.
[14:37] Speaker 2: You don't think they'll win 51 games this season? I
[14:38] Speaker 2: think they're going to miss JB. They're going under. They'll
[14:41] Speaker 2: make the playoffs, but they're going under 51. Under 51 wins.
[14:43] Speaker 2: So let's move over to you, Boogie. Under. Under.
[14:45] Speaker 6: I agree they'll make the playoffs with 50 games in
[14:48] Speaker 6: that gauntlet.
[14:49] Speaker 2: Nah.
[14:49] Speaker 5: I ain't got to tell you.
[14:50] Speaker 2: 50 games. It's a new Easter. This ain't about Tatum.
[14:53] Speaker 2: It's about everybody else. I hear you. It's a new East. Shump.
[14:58] Speaker 2: You think the Celtics can win 51 games? You're just
[14:59] Speaker 2: shitting on PG. Now you're saying they're going to win 50?
[15:02] Speaker 2: Which one is it, nigga? He's going to be the
[15:04] Speaker 2: fourth option.
[15:05] Speaker 5: They're going to be all right.
[15:06] Speaker 2: Man, hell. Fourth option. What you got? What you got, Shum?
[15:10] Speaker 2: You going over or under, man? Jason Tatum, number one option. No,
[15:13] Speaker 2: I'm going under. I'm going under. They're not getting 51 games.
[15:16] Speaker 2: I believe they'll be lower than that. The East has
[15:19] Speaker 2: got really good. East is a god. It is good.
[15:22] Speaker 2: We got a lot of good things. We didn't even
[15:23] Speaker 2: talk about the Pacers. One more left. Gil, who you got, man?
[15:25] Speaker 2: You over there looking up all the stats. What you got, Gil?
[15:28] Speaker 2: Over or under, Gil? Over or under? I'm going to
[15:32] Speaker 2: go under. You think there will be less than 51
[15:35] Speaker 2: wins this season? Yeah, because they were second. But you
[15:39] Speaker 2: got to remember, Tatum came back.
[15:42] Speaker 3: So you got Brown doing MVP candidate. Then you got
[15:47] Speaker 3: Tatum coming back helping.
[15:49] Speaker 2: 16 games, though. And they won 13. Yeah, 13 and 34.
[15:55] Speaker 2: So even no matter how they're balling, you don't have
[15:58] Speaker 2: nobody coming back. You don't have to double, yeah. Yeah,
[16:00] Speaker 2: so 51 games. You got PG. Motivated.
[16:04] Speaker 5: The PG averaging 20, like y'all say, why can't you
[16:07] Speaker 5: win 50?
[16:07] Speaker 2: I said PG will have a better year individually.
[16:11] Speaker 4: Somebody said he's going.
[16:14] Speaker 2: To be comfortable.
[16:15] Speaker 5: Why can't he win 50 games for Tatum? Tatum win
[16:18] Speaker 5: percentage is what?
[16:19] Speaker 2: Huh?
[16:20] Speaker 5: I'm saying, why can't they win 50 games if you
[16:21] Speaker 5: expect PG to average 20?
[16:23] Speaker 6: Because they're not a better team in that quarter.
[16:26] Speaker 2: What part you don't get about that? You know what?
[16:28] Speaker 2: They're not better than last year. Just because you said that,
[16:30] Speaker 2: I'm going over. I'm taking a higher. Win them, Spoon!
[16:35] Speaker 1: At least 51 games this season. Let's keep it in
[16:38] Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference. We talked about Kawhi making his return
[16:40] Speaker 1: to the Raptors as well this season. So Toronto's projected
[16:43] Speaker 1: win total, 46 games with 69% of traders on a
[16:48] Speaker 1: polymarket app. thinking they will hit that total. But we'll
[16:52] Speaker 1: start on this side. Back to you again, Boogie. Will
[16:54] Speaker 1: the Raptors win at least 46 games this season? Y'all
[16:58] Speaker 1: talking about a tough Easter conference. Kawhi only had to.
[17:00] Speaker 2: Pay $ 700K. About to get an extension, another $ 100 million
[17:03] Speaker 2: in his pocket. We spend an hour on this. I know.
[17:09] Speaker 2: The Braves is braiding.
[17:10] Speaker 5: Let's go last year.
[17:11] Speaker 2: I think they ran at like 43, 44, 45. I'm
[17:12] Speaker 2: going to go under. So you think less than 46 wins.
[17:19] Speaker 2: I'm thinking right at 44, 45.
[17:22] Speaker 1: Shum, think the Raptors will get the 46 wins in
[17:24] Speaker 1: this tough Eastern Conference?
[17:26] Speaker 2: Looks tough on paper. I do. Okay. Think they'll get
[17:29] Speaker 2: at least 46 wins? Mm-hmm.
[17:30] Speaker 1: They play defense. Let's shift over to you, ET. You
[17:33] Speaker 1: think that the Raptors will get 46 wins?
[17:37] Speaker 5: I like that because they have to get 46. The
[17:39] Speaker 5: Celtics are going to get 51.
[17:40] Speaker 2: So that.
[17:41] Speaker 5: That's going to make sense. I can see how it
[17:43] Speaker 5: balances somehow.
[17:45] Speaker 2: So the Celtics are better than the Raptors? Yep.
[17:47] Speaker 5: I'll take that.
[17:47] Speaker 2: $ 200.
[17:48] Speaker 6: Celtics better than the Raptors, you said?
[17:51] Speaker 5: In my humble opinion.
[17:52] Speaker 1: You can feel free to make that on the Polymark.
[17:55] Speaker 1: Legal in all 50 states?
[17:56] Speaker 2: You know what? He got a little bit more day organization.
[18:01] Speaker 2: The style of play, how Boston plays, that's regular season basketball. Yeah.
[18:05] Speaker 2: Coming down, running, shooting 53s. You ain't scouting. You ain't
[18:07] Speaker 2: scouting me.
[18:08] Speaker 5: They trying to win.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Health matters.
[18:09] Speaker 5: They trying to win a soft Tuesday game. They trying
[18:11] Speaker 5: to win the game.
[18:12] Speaker 2: Before All-Star break, Christmas.
[18:14] Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a little bit more
[18:16] Speaker 4: about positioning this year because teams got to make sure
[18:19] Speaker 4: that they can be healthy through the playoffs.
[18:21] Speaker 2: That was a knock against a lot of guys last year. Like, yeah.
[18:24] Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a game. But they
[18:27] Speaker 2: going to get their shit done early. Like, we locked
[18:30] Speaker 2: in at second seed. We locked. Like... We got the
[18:33] Speaker 2: young boys. There's going to be some one seeds losing
[18:35] Speaker 2: at the end of the year.
[18:36] Speaker 5: Type shit.
[18:38] Speaker 2: Time to get them playoff seeds locked up. Locked in.
[18:41] Speaker 2: 46-36 last season. Add Kawhi. Move Brandon Ingram. Grady Dick.
[18:46] Speaker 2: Grady who? Shout out Grady Dick. Shout out Grady Dick.
[18:50] Speaker 2: I take the over. One less Dick on the run. What? Wow.
[18:52] Speaker 2: Wait a minute. I take the over though. You think
[18:55] Speaker 2: they will go over 46 wins? Slightly.
[18:57] Speaker 7: I take about 47 48. I got kawaii. It's good
[19:00] Speaker 7: to have them at least one to two more games matters.
[19:02] Speaker 2: You might as well matters. Yeah, I love it. Yeah,
[19:06] Speaker 2: Gilbert J Arena. Any game? That's what I'm saying. It's
[19:08] Speaker 2: not any game. We're not struggling. I mean, I can't
[19:10] Speaker 2: tell you if he gonna be healthy or not. We
[19:12] Speaker 2: know he ain't gonna play. Amen. Healthy. Who?
[19:14] Speaker 5: But he played the past couple years play like 60.
[19:17] Speaker 2: He plays 60. He plays 60. They not winning 46 games. Yeah.
[19:22] Speaker 2: You got to play them all, for real. That's all
[19:24] Speaker 2: I got to say.
[19:25] Speaker 5: Kawhi locked in when it's like.
[19:28] Speaker 2: If you play all time, you can get interested. Or
[19:30] Speaker 2: even just like contract, little shit like that. You know what? Miami,
[19:35] Speaker 2: my top four. 46. I'm going to go below. Not
[19:42] Speaker 2: feeling Kawhi, Gil. No, I'm just saying my top four
[19:46] Speaker 2: is going to be in the 50s. So that's Miami, Philly, Boston,
[19:53] Speaker 2: New York.
[19:55] Speaker 6: I think Detroit dips. You think Boston top four? We
[20:00] Speaker 6: ain't talked about Atlanta at all. What you think, though, Matt?
[20:04] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[20:05] Speaker 2: The reason I think Boston... I think Boston....
[20:09] Speaker 3: Will still be there. And the reason we didn't think
[20:11] Speaker 3: last year is because think about the Phoenix Suns.
[20:14] Speaker 2: The youth matter. Right? The Phoenix Suns and teams like that.
[20:17] Speaker 3: You shooting 50, 40-something threes in a regular season from
[20:21] Speaker 3: a Tuesday wing scout you. Right?
[20:23] Speaker 2: You're going to win a lot of games. Just the
[20:26] Speaker 2: style of play.
[20:27] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[20:27] Speaker 2: Right? You know what I mean?
[20:30] Speaker 3: Just coming in, just playing up and down. You're going
[20:33] Speaker 3: to win games just doing that style. So they're going
[20:36] Speaker 3: to be top four.
[20:37] Speaker 2: Boston. I think so. So what if Tatum is out
[20:40] Speaker 2: for a stretch? I think there'd be... We're talking about
[20:46] Speaker 2: an Achilles injury. Shit lingers. It takes a while. Where's
[20:50] Speaker 2: Brooklyn going to be? They're not even in the game.
[20:53] Speaker 3: They're going to be where Brooklyn is.
[20:55] Speaker 2: They're going to be down there somewhere. They're going to
[20:58] Speaker 2: be down where Brooklyn is. I'm just talking about maintenance.
[21:02] Speaker 4: Games, rest games, shit like that.
[21:05] Speaker 3: Not even wishing no type of injury. Just regular, regular season.
[21:09] Speaker 3: If we have them at 51, they're going to be four.
[21:11] Speaker 3: I don't think so. You have them under 50?
[21:16] Speaker 2: Boston? Yes. Yeah, I got Boston under 50.
[21:20] Speaker 6: You can't ignore that young-ass team in Atlanta, bro. You
[21:23] Speaker 6: can't ignore that team in Washington.
[21:26] Speaker 2: There we go.
[21:26] Speaker 4: You can't ignore that. Youth matters more in regular season.
[21:30] Speaker 4: But they're going to steal somewhere at the right time.
[21:31] Speaker 5: But what do you like so much about Atlanta when
[21:34] Speaker 5: it comes to that?
[21:34] Speaker 2: They're young.
[21:35] Speaker 5: But Jalen Johnson, that's part of his problem.
[21:37] Speaker 2: They're young.
[21:37] Speaker 4: When he came to playoff time. Young motherfuckers don't miss games.
[21:40] Speaker 4: He's talking about the regular season. Yeah, I'm talking regular season.
[21:43] Speaker 4: Young motherfuckers don't miss games.
[21:44] Speaker 2: You know what's so funny? That could be a Detroit. Exactly.
[21:50] Speaker 2: Where they start off this season. We haven't even missed it.
[21:52] Speaker 2: We thought you was going to violate this. They start
[21:54] Speaker 2: off the season. You'd be like, what's going on? You
[21:58] Speaker 2: can't ignore Washington.
[21:59] Speaker 6: They done put Trey Young with a goddamn skyline behind him.
[22:01] Speaker 2: He got 6'10, 6'10, 7 feet behind him. A lot
[22:02] Speaker 2: of defense. We can see Trey Young have a season
[22:04] Speaker 2: like Jalen Brunson. He's a very willing passer. And we
[22:19] Speaker 2: will talk about that. Okay, okay, okay. Very willing passer.
[22:22] Speaker 2: Like I said, that East is a gutter. Y'all really
[22:24] Speaker 2: think the Knicks would be a top four team? Hey, bro. Yes.
[22:28] Speaker 2: I don't know. Listen. They are the only team with
[22:31] Speaker 2: an identity in the East. They're a team. They're a
[22:33] Speaker 2: real team. The only one.
[22:34] Speaker 4: This is not some assembly pickup game to them. That
[22:37] Speaker 4: starting five is the same.
[22:38] Speaker 2: Same thing. They just want a chip. They finna run
[22:42] Speaker 2: off the screens, run off the cuts as fast as
[22:45] Speaker 2: they can. They finna run flex option, all that. They're
[22:47] Speaker 2: starting five. Don't miss games. Nobody get hurt. They knock
[22:51] Speaker 2: down corner threes. They play defense.
[22:53] Speaker 5: I think their toughest adjustment was last year when they
[22:56] Speaker 5: weren't vibing with Mike Brown.
[22:57] Speaker 2: You know what? I'm averaging 19-10. Everybody know they wrong.
[22:59] Speaker 5: Everybody got it. They got a solid nine of veterans.
[23:06] Speaker 5: And even what they did in the.
[23:07] Speaker 2: Playoffs last year. That shit was hard. They play like vets, bro.
[23:11] Speaker 2: But that's the thing. You got to play like vets
[23:13] Speaker 2: all the way in the regular season? Yes. Yes. Yes.
[23:16] Speaker 3: No, they've been a play like vets. Wait, wait, wait.
[23:20] Speaker 3: We know what Brunson does, right? We know what all
[23:23] Speaker 3: of them do. By a young team, they was getting
[23:26] Speaker 3: smacked most of the series.
[23:28] Speaker 2: And Brunson did Brunson. Who? Who? New York. Who'd they
[23:32] Speaker 2: get smacked by? By Spurs. They was getting smacked by Spurs. No,
[23:36] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, they was getting smacked. No, no, no.
[23:39] Speaker 2: Every game, they were down. Spurs' specialty kicks in in
[23:42] Speaker 2: the fourth quarter.
[23:42] Speaker 5: Yeah, they were down.
[23:44] Speaker 2: 12 in the game. But those are going to be
[23:46] Speaker 2: days where you're sitting... Ain't no Wimby's in the East, brother.
[23:48] Speaker 7: But that's what I'm saying. You're comparing them Eastern Conference
[23:52] Speaker 7: teams to the Spurs?
[23:53] Speaker 2: Man, stop it. Yeah. No, I'm saying... We have a
[23:57] Speaker 2: Philadelphia team. Think about the players on Philadelphia. Top three.
[24:01] Speaker 2: Think about the whole team of New York. Top three.
[24:05] Speaker 2: Now we're talking about Miami. Possibly top three. And now
[24:09] Speaker 2: we're talking about the Wizards where the majority of their
[24:12] Speaker 2: team is seven foot. Hey, Nick's going to be there
[24:15] Speaker 2: in the end. You can name all the teams you
[24:16] Speaker 2: want to. Nick's going to be there.
[24:18] Speaker 3: One thing I learned, you can't doubt them motherfuckers. The
[24:22] Speaker 3: more you doubt them, the more they throw you wrong.
[24:24] Speaker 3: I learned my lesson. As a team, they figure it out,
[24:28] Speaker 3: but we're still saying when they get to the playoffs,
[24:32] Speaker 3: that's a different team.
[24:33] Speaker 6: Who?
[24:34] Speaker 2: Knicks. They're way more scary. In the playoffs.
[24:38] Speaker 3: They're the only team in the East with an idea.
[24:40] Speaker 3: They had to kick it on at the end of
[24:42] Speaker 3: the season. Playing 42, 43 minutes.
[24:46] Speaker 2: What'd they finish last year? Third. And they had to
[24:49] Speaker 2: get the three. So what? Everybody finna have to get that, sweaty.
[24:53] Speaker 2: You gotta get the... I had to get to work today.
[24:56] Speaker 2: You did.
[24:58] Speaker 1: We all got to get there, brother. You were on time,
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[25:23] Speaker 1: end this show today with a topic that's near and
[25:25] Speaker 1: dear to my heart. We talked about Russell Westbrook earlier
[25:28] Speaker 1: in the show, but today we got to salute one
[25:29] Speaker 1: of the most electric, relentless, and polarizing superstars basketball has
[25:33] Speaker 1: ever seen. Russell Westbrook officially retired after 18 seasons. Future
[25:38] Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer did it his way, dropping
[25:41] Speaker 1: a video on his social accounts to break the news.
[25:43] Speaker 1: Whether you loved his game, criticized his decisions, celebrated every triple-double,
[25:47] Speaker 1: or hated on the Brody, one thing is undeniable. Russell
[25:50] Speaker 1: Westbrook never cheated the game.
[25:52] Speaker 2: Westbrook ended his career.
[25:53] Speaker 1: As an MVP, nine-time All-Star, nine-time All-NBA selection, two-time scoring champ,
[25:58] Speaker 1: three-time assist leader. He's a member of the Top 75
[26:01] Speaker 1: Anniversary Team, career triple-doubles leader, 14th in career points and steals,
[26:06] Speaker 1: and fifth all-time in assists. Only player to ever average
[26:09] Speaker 1: a triple-double in multiple seasons. Did it four times in
[26:12] Speaker 1: his career. Westbrook also joins LeBron as the only players
[26:15] Speaker 1: in history with 27,000 points, 10,000 assists, 9,000 rebounds, and
[26:20] Speaker 1: 2,000 steals in a career. Also the first and only
[26:22] Speaker 1: guard with 9,000 career rebounds.
[26:24] Speaker 2: That's a lot.
[26:25] Speaker 1: And he also went to UCLA. Lou Zinger legend. And
[26:31] Speaker 1: for those who know Lou Zinger, you got the Wright brothers.
[26:35] Speaker 1: Westbrook had a nice crew of kids coming out from
[26:37] Speaker 1: back in that time. But we will start with you.
[26:40] Speaker 1: When we look at Russell Westbrook, How should we remember
[26:44] Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook's career and legacy?
[26:48] Speaker 3: I mean, as a Hooper, you're going to remember him
[26:53] Speaker 3: as the most cheated athlete. Because you're talking about a
[27:01] Speaker 3: guy who never, ever cheated a game. He never cheated
[27:07] Speaker 3: a practice. He always tried to get the best out
[27:11] Speaker 3: of everyone. He did something that, who we're arguing might
[27:17] Speaker 3: be one of the greatest, him, Michael Jordan, Kobe. He
[27:21] Speaker 3: did something that they thought he could do when he
[27:24] Speaker 3: first came into the league. And then he did it
[27:26] Speaker 3: four times. And the outside world made One of the stats,
[27:37] Speaker 3: that's unselfishness and passing. They counted that against him.
[27:43] Speaker 2: And another one, hustling, going to rebound, and called what
[27:47] Speaker 2: he did, patting his stats.
[27:51] Speaker 3: Not, hey, this team sucks. Do everything in your power
[27:56] Speaker 3: to get us to winning.
[27:57] Speaker 4: That team always got to suck to this man, Joe.
[28:00] Speaker 2: This man averaged a triple-double. You remember who that thing
[28:02] Speaker 2: was around him? Yeah, look. That MVP here? Yeah. Who
[28:06] Speaker 2: was it? Who was the second option? Exactly. Keith Sweat.
[28:09] Speaker 2: And that's Sabrinas. Keith Sweat. Nobody.
[28:11] Speaker 5: Nobody.
[28:11] Speaker 2: Nobody. Who's the second?
[28:13] Speaker 5: They had Paul George in 2019. I got you.
[28:15] Speaker 2: I'm going to help you. Vic Doladipo. I'm going to
[28:17] Speaker 2: help you. It was Vic. Okay. Robeson, Anthony Robeson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[28:22] Speaker 2: That team. Exactly.
[28:23] Speaker 3: So he's supposed to do everything to try to win games.
[28:26] Speaker 1: Hooper.
[28:31] Speaker 2: And you penalized him for doing it. You know why
[28:33] Speaker 2: he has a triple dub, though. That's what I'm saying.
[28:36] Speaker 3: It's one of those things, man, where you're trying to
[28:37] Speaker 3: get players to play to the maximum of their ability.
[28:41] Speaker 2: And he did it. And you knocked him for it. Yeah.
[28:45] Speaker 2: Somebody who's supposed to go down as one of the
[28:47] Speaker 2: greatest point guards that ever did. He went down as
[28:49] Speaker 2: one of the greatest point guards. Right?
[28:51] Speaker 3: And you put a stain on it by saying an
[28:56] Speaker 3: irrelevant thing.
[28:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's what they do in the media a
[28:59] Speaker 2: lot of times. And.
[29:00] Speaker 7: We're in a different era. And a lot of people
[29:03] Speaker 7: don't watch the full games in the regular season, but
[29:05] Speaker 7: they hear the echo chamber. So when they hear this
[29:08] Speaker 7: show or that show say, oh, all he do is
[29:10] Speaker 7: stat pad.
[29:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he do.
[29:12] Speaker 7: Nah, man, this man got so many triple doubles, he
[29:15] Speaker 7: made people think.
[29:15] Speaker 2: It was easy to get. But it's like, if you
[29:17] Speaker 2: can go do that, go patch all stats.
[29:19] Speaker 7: We not, I, I, we the fuck, you know how
[29:21] Speaker 7: hard it is to patent this stat?
[29:23] Speaker 2: You have to be conditioned.
[29:25] Speaker 8: Yeah, you gotta patch those stats that go steal rebounds.
[29:27] Speaker 2: You have to.
[29:28] Speaker 8: 30-point triple-double from 82 A's.
[29:30] Speaker 2: We know that.
[29:32] Speaker 4: If I wanted to, I couldn't steal rebounds from Tyson Chandler.
[29:36] Speaker 2: He tapping that bitch out to half court and it's
[29:38] Speaker 2: already gold. We all know that.
[29:39] Speaker 7: That's why hoopers give Russ more respect than the people
[29:42] Speaker 7: at home a lot of times. There's a lot of
[29:45] Speaker 7: people that were saying, oh, he was padding his stats.
[29:48] Speaker 2: He was padding the rebounds. I don't care if your
[29:50] Speaker 2: point guard getting 10 rebounds. Okay, so he padded the
[29:53] Speaker 2: last two.
[29:53] Speaker 7: He still had to get the first eight.
[29:55] Speaker 2: This man had a rebound. You can't! How do you pad? <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>.
[30:07] Speaker 8: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
[30:23] Speaker 8: Grab it right back.
[30:25] Speaker 2: That's skill. That's skill. That's skill and that's IQ. That
[30:28] Speaker 2: is the skill and IQ. That's the green light. You're
[30:31] Speaker 2: going to go for it, but you'll take that. Skill
[30:33] Speaker 2: and IQ. Okay, you bet not. To be able to
[30:35] Speaker 2: do that in the middle. I'm about to get my shot.
[30:39] Speaker 2: I'm able to throw it. The only way I can
[30:41] Speaker 2: get it. How do you get an extra rebound? That's
[30:42] Speaker 2: how you do it. Dennis Rodman chipping and tapping it
[30:45] Speaker 2: to himself. They're like, come on. Hold on.
[30:48] Speaker 7: They used to do little breakdowns. They would show the
[30:50] Speaker 7: team boxing out and Russ coming in and getting the
[30:52] Speaker 7: free throw rebounds. They would do that to try to
[30:55] Speaker 7: diminish what he is.
[30:56] Speaker 2: I'm with y'all.
[30:57] Speaker 7: I think he's one of the coldest. I think he's
[30:58] Speaker 7: the coldest point guard that doesn't have a championship.
[31:00] Speaker 2: But that was what we taught since kids. Bro, I'm
[31:03] Speaker 2: not sure. We're going to all box out. And then
[31:06] Speaker 2: there's going to be one guard that has to be
[31:08] Speaker 2: the safety net. I'm just telling you the narrative and
[31:13] Speaker 2: why it got placed. I don't agree with that.
[31:15] Speaker 7: I believe when it comes to the point guards that
[31:19] Speaker 7: don't have a chip, obviously you got Magic up here.
[31:22] Speaker 7: Then you got Steph, Isaiah Thomas. Then we need to
[31:25] Speaker 7: start talking about Russ. Because we're talking about the MVP.
[31:27] Speaker 4: It's definitely top five.
[31:30] Speaker 2: We're talking about an MVP. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[31:36] Speaker 2: How many point guards can say multiple times they've led
[31:40] Speaker 2: the league in scoring and assist? I think it's only one, right? Oscar?
[31:44] Speaker 2: I'm just saying. That right there just tells you how
[31:46] Speaker 2: long ago the Oscar played.
[31:48] Speaker 7: I'm just saying, like, Russ had, I want to say, three,
[31:51] Speaker 7: was it three years where he led the league in scoring?
[31:53] Speaker 2: Or three years in assists? I forgot which one it was.
[31:55] Speaker 2: Three in assists, two in scoring.
[31:57] Speaker 7: Dog, do you know how cold you got to be
[31:58] Speaker 7: to be like, yeah, I'm going to average 36 or
[32:00] Speaker 7: whatever it took, and then the next year be like, yeah,
[32:02] Speaker 7: I'm just going to get like 12 dimes.
[32:04] Speaker 2: Like, that is so hard to do.
[32:06] Speaker 7: That's why when we start talking about the point guard,
[32:08] Speaker 7: that's why we all are saying we respect them. When
[32:11] Speaker 7: we start talking top five, He needs to be in
[32:13] Speaker 7: that top five. Now, when we argue with some of
[32:15] Speaker 7: the people at home, they're going to be like, oh, he.
[32:17] Speaker 2: Didn't win or he didn't do that.
[32:18] Speaker 7: But everybody up here knows what type. All of us
[32:21] Speaker 7: played against Russ, and we all know what type of
[32:23] Speaker 7: dog he was and what he brought.
[32:25] Speaker 2: To the table. I can't, like, I'm always going to
[32:29] Speaker 2: defend Russ. I'm always going to defend D. Rose. What
[32:32] Speaker 2: I'm not going to do is act like this shit
[32:34] Speaker 2: ain't about winning. He ain't winning. That means something.
[32:37] Speaker 3: Whoa.
[32:37] Speaker 4: It's only three PG. You just really won, though. I
[32:40] Speaker 4: said he's the top. And after that, you.
[32:42] Speaker 2: Got to start.
[32:43] Speaker 4: Then you start separating with Ackerman.
[32:45] Speaker 2: It's just I can't do it. That's the first thing
[32:47] Speaker 2: I said.
[32:47] Speaker 4: Because I can't have the criteria for everybody else. And
[32:50] Speaker 4: then when it comes to Russ, now I'm no longer carrying.
[32:52] Speaker 7: I said out of the point guards that didn't win
[32:54] Speaker 7: a chip, he's the next name on it.
[32:55] Speaker 2: Okay, you got Steph. You got Madden. You got Isaiah.
[32:57] Speaker 2: I don't know. It might be Steve. Okay, so where's
[33:00] Speaker 2: James Harden in the shooting guard? He got two MVP.
[33:02] Speaker 2: Here we go again. Here we go again. That's what
[33:04] Speaker 2: I'm saying. It changed everything. Accolades separate the player. I
[33:08] Speaker 2: got Russ over Steve. 18-9. I'm agreeing. I'm saying when
[33:12] Speaker 2: it comes... You got to consider John Stockton, J-Kid, Russ... Isaiah.
[33:18] Speaker 2: Oscar Roberts. Isaiah's in it. I love them all. Give
[33:20] Speaker 2: me Russ. Isaiah's already in it. He's locked in. Yeah, yeah.
[33:22] Speaker 2: Isaiah locked in. He locked in. Isaiah's golden. Yeah, he
[33:25] Speaker 2: up there. It just get tricky. You said Jake. You
[33:26] Speaker 2: got to talk about Chris Paul. It start getting tricky.
[33:29] Speaker 2: Give me Russ.
[33:31] Speaker 3: You know what I just realized? When you're talking about output,
[33:39] Speaker 3: he's not a natural scorer, right? But he led the
[33:42] Speaker 3: league in scoring twice.
[33:43] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Led the league in assists twice. Fierce competitor.
[33:48] Speaker 2: Added rebounds, and no one ever said he didn't play defense. No,
[33:52] Speaker 2: he played defense. No, so you know what I mean?
[33:55] Speaker 2: Usually a score like that, like we talk about James Harden,
[33:59] Speaker 2: they say he never played D, right? Got you, got you.
[34:01] Speaker 2: That never was as near. He left one out. I
[34:04] Speaker 2: get what you're saying. He's still being told. Why?
[34:05] Speaker 4: So when you're talking about pushing out. We just talked
[34:07] Speaker 4: about winning championships. Why is his story still being told?
[34:10] Speaker 2: Who? Shea. Why is his story still being told? Shea's
[34:13] Speaker 2: in there. No, no, no, no, no. Yes, he is
[34:16] Speaker 2: in there. He got all four trophies. And he shot 55%
[34:18] Speaker 2: as a guard. It becomes... Is he going to be
[34:23] Speaker 2: there when his career is over? Why isn't he? Right now,
[34:26] Speaker 2: he don't have enough. Enough what?
[34:29] Speaker 4: He don't have enough. He got more than Russ. He
[34:31] Speaker 4: got more than CP. He got more than John Stockton.
[34:34] Speaker 4: He got more than J.K. What else do you need? Well,
[34:37] Speaker 4: there's one I have. 14 All-NBAs, 14 All-Stars.
[34:41] Speaker 2: Fuck all that. That still matters. Fuck all that. Your
[34:45] Speaker 2: book matters. It do matter. Your whole NBA ain't got
[34:48] Speaker 2: shit on it. It matter. I'm just saying, my criteria...
[34:51] Speaker 2: Fuck all that. I told you, it's opinionated as hell.
[34:53] Speaker 2: Your book matters. My criteria will always be, did somebody win? Like,
[34:57] Speaker 2: think about it. To me, Russ is always going to.
[34:59] Speaker 4: Have to blame that him and KD didn't come back
[35:02] Speaker 4: that next year and finish beating them.
[35:03] Speaker 2: But you got to remember, even with them bad teams...
[35:06] Speaker 2: Bad teams.
[35:07] Speaker 3: His teams was bad when he averaged a triple-double, and
[35:10] Speaker 3: his winning percentage over 60%.
[35:12] Speaker 5: What he did with the Wizards was crazy.
[35:14] Speaker 2: I agree.
[35:15] Speaker 3: When they say he's a loser, they're lying. With those
[35:18] Speaker 3: badass teams, he had averages of triple-double. They were 60-something
[35:22] Speaker 3: percent winning.
[35:23] Speaker 2: But he was on that team that lost when they
[35:25] Speaker 2: was up 3-1. He was on that team. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[35:28] Speaker 2: So who are you blaming?
[35:30] Speaker 4: We're not blaming anybody. What I'm saying, the fact is
[35:32] Speaker 4: they didn't win. They had an opportunity to win. They
[35:35] Speaker 4: should have won.
[35:36] Speaker 2: We watched him dominate the league. He didn't win.
[35:39] Speaker 4: People don't weigh it into their scale.
[35:41] Speaker 2: All I'm saying is in my scale. Oh, you need
[35:44] Speaker 2: to go get that crown. All right. So we got
[35:46] Speaker 2: the top three already. Yeah. Day one. After that.
[35:49] Speaker 7: That means you got, well, you put Shea in there,
[35:51] Speaker 7: that means you got the top four.
[35:52] Speaker 2: What's the top? Say it again. Magic. Steph. Isaiah Thomas.
[35:57] Speaker 2: And y'all got Shea in there.
[35:58] Speaker 6: And I'm putting Shea in there because based off your standard,
[36:01] Speaker 6: you got to win.
[36:02] Speaker 2: So Shea's in the top four. So Russ go five.
[36:04] Speaker 2: So after that, it gets tricky. Well, J.K. got one. J.
[36:07] Speaker 5: Kidd got to be in there. J.
[36:09] Speaker 2: Kidd got one. T.P. got one. T.P. I forgot about T.P.
[36:12] Speaker 3: T.P.
[36:13] Speaker 2: Was nice. Now, you can't put Tony Parker in the
[36:14] Speaker 2: same category as Russell Westbrook. Wait, what? No, Tony Parker
[36:17] Speaker 2: ain't never had a way at all. You can't put
[36:18] Speaker 2: Tony Parker in the same category. I ain't saying he's
[36:20] Speaker 2: number one option. I'm saying he a goddamn one.
[36:22] Speaker 7: Yeah, but I'm just saying he's not in this conversation.
[36:24] Speaker 2: So did Anthony Johnson. All right, all right, all right.
[36:26] Speaker 4: So Russell was the number one option? Yeah, they was
[36:29] Speaker 4: getting ready to win?
[36:30] Speaker 3: Who?
[36:30] Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
[36:31] Speaker 4: Was Rush the number one option when they went home
[36:34] Speaker 4: after being up 3-1?
[36:35] Speaker 2: Who was the number one option?
[36:38] Speaker 4: So why does TP shit not matter just because he
[36:42] Speaker 4: had Timmy D? Because Tony Parker was like the third option.
[36:45] Speaker 4: Who was the second option?
[36:46] Speaker 2: We got David Robinson. He was going off. my dog.
[36:53] Speaker 2: That's besides the point. Spin moves, floaters, out the ass.
[36:56] Speaker 2: Then there was another year where it just wasn't as cute.
[36:58] Speaker 2: It wasn't as cute. Did they do it? Did they
[37:02] Speaker 2: do it? Did they do it? Did they do it?
[37:04] Speaker 2: He was doing rap videos with the Marines. What did
[37:06] Speaker 2: they tell him? Hold on, what that mean? You just
[37:08] Speaker 2: confused me. Y'all ain't never seen that. You ain't seen
[37:11] Speaker 2: the French videos. He was doing rap videos. Wait, what? Yeah.
[37:22] Speaker 4: That's how much winning they was doing.
[37:24] Speaker 2: So TP top five. Hell no. No. He ain't even
[37:27] Speaker 2: in the top 75. Let's move on. Let's move on.
[37:30] Speaker 2: You just muddying up the water. You muddying up the water.
[37:33] Speaker 2: You ain't got. I'm just gutting the name. You're just
[37:35] Speaker 2: throwing names. I got to remember everybody that won first.
[37:37] Speaker 2: You don't need to remember none of them. When you
[37:40] Speaker 2: talking about five. When you're talking about five.
[37:43] Speaker 4: You disagree with me. You disagree with me in what
[37:46] Speaker 4: means what in the end.
[37:47] Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is when you're talking about top five. Well,
[37:49] Speaker 2: if that's the case, we got to throw Rondo in there. Rondo!
[37:52] Speaker 2: You ain't lying. That's my ass. Listen up.
[37:56] Speaker 4: Rondo is like, can you beat him in a playoff series, dog?
[38:00] Speaker 2: I'm going to put Doe in there before TP. I would.
[38:03] Speaker 2: I love me some Rondo. You're not hurting me, TP.
[38:05] Speaker 2: You're not hurting my feelings. I'm just saying. You're putting
[38:08] Speaker 2: Rondo ahead of TP as wild?
[38:09] Speaker 4: Listen, though, you're going off of somebody statistically being better.
[38:15] Speaker 4: And what I'm saying is if I was going into
[38:17] Speaker 4: basketball when I was a child and I was going
[38:20] Speaker 4: into basketball, I know there's probably plenty of people that
[38:23] Speaker 4: was like, I want to be the best player ever.
[38:26] Speaker 2: I never said that to myself. I just wanted to
[38:28] Speaker 2: win a championship. I'm like, why do grown men lay
[38:31] Speaker 2: on the floor together crying? Like, that's so cool to me.
[38:33] Speaker 2: I never said I have to be better than everybody.
[38:36] Speaker 4: So I didn't have that complex. So when I look
[38:38] Speaker 4: at it, I'm like, shit, I wouldn't have came and
[38:41] Speaker 4: prepared for games the way I did if I wasn't
[38:43] Speaker 4: trying to win the game. If I would have came
[38:46] Speaker 4: and just got out here to get numbers, dog, I'm
[38:49] Speaker 4: smart as hell. I would have figured out how to
[38:50] Speaker 4: get numbers. It's just I would have been a loser.
[38:54] Speaker 5: You could have won.
[38:54] Speaker 2: You tripping, bro. Bro, what?
[38:56] Speaker 4: Do you know how many niggas is in the league
[38:58] Speaker 4: right now getting numbers and taking L's?
[39:01] Speaker 2: They go home.
[39:01] Speaker 4: They already got their vacation planned.
[39:03] Speaker 2: But he didn't take L's. Who?
[39:06] Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook didn't take L's.
[39:08] Speaker 2: You missing it again. Why he don't got a ring?
[39:11] Speaker 2: Because the nigga never had a team to get a ring.
[39:13] Speaker 2: What was his team? What was his best year? What
[39:14] Speaker 2: was his best? When he was the man. When they
[39:16] Speaker 2: lost 3-1. They should have never lost 3-1. That's what
[39:19] Speaker 2: I'm saying. He lost. It's cool. See, now this is
[39:24] Speaker 2: what you're doing. You already. blame Katie for this I
[39:26] Speaker 2: didn't blame now when it's Russell So you want to
[39:27] Speaker 2: blame him for Katie for joining the niggas that sent
[39:29] Speaker 2: him home Russell Westbrook shot some of those shots down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[39:41] Speaker 2: They wasn't. Listen. No, no, no.
[39:43] Speaker 3: When they went to the championship and lost, they wasn't
[39:47] Speaker 3: ready yet.
[39:48] Speaker 2: I love that. They wasn't ready yet. The series against
[39:51] Speaker 2: Golden State, they fucked that up. We got that. Okay.
[39:54] Speaker 2: But you can't say that's his resume. But I'm saying sometimes...
[39:58] Speaker 2: That's his whole resume?
[39:59] Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's why when I had a conversation,
[40:02] Speaker 4: that's why I got to consider stuff. Because there's a
[40:04] Speaker 4: lot of people that came before.
[40:07] Speaker 3: How about this?
[40:10] Speaker 2: It don't... Yes, it fucking do. No, it don't.
[40:12] Speaker 4: Because if that's the case, Bill Russell is the greatest
[40:14] Speaker 4: all time and there's nothing to talk about.
[40:16] Speaker 2: Is Russell not even a guard? He got 11. He's
[40:18] Speaker 2: not even a guard. I'm just saying, when it comes
[40:20] Speaker 2: to champions, I hate when....
[40:23] Speaker 1: When.
[40:23] Speaker 6: Comes to certain niggas, it's all about championships. Then the
[40:27] Speaker 6: goalposts move. Like I said, if it's based off championships,
[40:30] Speaker 6: it ain't no Michael Jordan.
[40:31] Speaker 2: It ain't no Magic. It's Bill Russell. But you ain't going.
[40:34] Speaker 4: To agree with that, right? That's not the argument. We've
[40:38] Speaker 4: never said who's the most winningest player. It's easy to say,
[40:41] Speaker 4: Bill Russell. That's not the conversation.
[40:43] Speaker 6: No, that's not what I'm saying either. When it comes
[40:47] Speaker 6: to Russ, you're saying we can't put him in the
[40:49] Speaker 6: top five because he ain't got no ring, right?
[40:51] Speaker 4: I'm just reserved on just saying, yeah, he top five
[40:54] Speaker 4: and just shrugging my shoulders.
[40:56] Speaker 2: So where you got him? I don't know. I'm going
[40:58] Speaker 2: to have to think on this. You don't have the
[41:00] Speaker 2: history of this game. Oh, my God. And the history
[41:02] Speaker 2: is this man. Y'all are acting like point guards haven't won.
[41:07] Speaker 2: Scoring point guards. We just named the three. Scoring point
[41:10] Speaker 2: guards haven't won. Yeah, because it was a new thing.
[41:12] Speaker 2: It was a new thing. It was a new thing.
[41:17] Speaker 2: That's a new thing. It was a new thing. Jalen
[41:19] Speaker 2: Brunson just won. That's a new thing. A scoring point.
[41:23] Speaker 2: I know. That's a new thing.
[41:24] Speaker 4: That's why I'm saying it's hard to do because Russ
[41:27] Speaker 4: also played for 18 fucking years.
[41:30] Speaker 2: He got a lot more time to do a lot
[41:32] Speaker 2: more shit. There's some players that only played 10, 11 years.
[41:35] Speaker 2: If it's not Russ, then who would you consider over him?
[41:37] Speaker 2: I don't know. Y'all put me under pressure. That's what
[41:40] Speaker 2: we're talking about. Y'all keep taking guys that's my guys
[41:42] Speaker 2: and then doing shit like this. Fuck the friendship. We're
[41:44] Speaker 2: having a real conversation. I get it, but I'm saying
[41:47] Speaker 2: as much as I love Russ, he didn't win, so.
[41:50] Speaker 4: I'm going to consider him over him. But a lot
[41:51] Speaker 4: of guards didn't. Motherfuckers got CP in the top five.
[41:55] Speaker 2: He ain't want shit. Are we talking about Russ or me?
[41:58] Speaker 2: I want to hear it. It's Kyrie. Hold on. He
[42:00] Speaker 2: don't even have an MVP, but niggas put CP in
[42:03] Speaker 2: the fucking top five.
[42:05] Speaker 5: Zoom in on his face.
[42:07] Speaker 3: Are we having a resume or who has more skill?
[42:11] Speaker 2: Hold on. I want to answer the question. The game
[42:13] Speaker 2: is made to win, bro. Here we go. Whose game
[42:15] Speaker 2: is made to win? We just named the four niggas
[42:17] Speaker 2: that won. This game was made to win. I'm just
[42:20] Speaker 2: asking you to go. Okay. The floor is yours. All right, listen.
[42:25] Speaker 2: I get the winning stuff. Like, I get it. I'm sorry.
[42:28] Speaker 2: I'm very principled.
[42:30] Speaker 3: But there has to be some... There has to be something.
[42:33] Speaker 2: I got to take... I got to take... If a
[42:35] Speaker 2: person never had a team, there's just.
[42:38] Speaker 3: Clippers, whoever gets drafted at, nigga, you ain't winning. New Orleans,
[42:42] Speaker 3: whoever gets drafted at, you ain't winning.
[42:45] Speaker 2: Right? There's... 23 teams, those guys don't even have a
[42:50] Speaker 2: chance to win.
[42:51] Speaker 3: So you're basically saying no matter how good you are,
[42:54] Speaker 3: somebody who's a third, fourth option is going to be
[42:57] Speaker 3: in front of you and you have to carry.
[42:59] Speaker 2: A whole franchise. That ain't trying to win. What I'm
[43:02] Speaker 2: saying is there ain't. I don't give a fuck. That matters.
[43:07] Speaker 2: We're not talking about Kyrie. He was in the four-houser.
[43:11] Speaker 5: Kyrie is finals all-star game MVP at 21-22. Expectations come
[43:16] Speaker 5: a little bit differently. When they're not making the playoffs
[43:18] Speaker 5: in the East, nigga, all you.
[43:19] Speaker 2: Need was 37 wins.
[43:22] Speaker 5: But I'm saying, but when dudes like I won a
[43:24] Speaker 5: championship with Brian, Brian was going to win seven championships regardless.
[43:27] Speaker 2: James Jones is the man for meeting with Brian for
[43:30] Speaker 2: seven years. Brian doesn't have seven championships. Yeah, he's going
[43:34] Speaker 2: to win four. Brian doesn't have seven. But he had
[43:36] Speaker 2: two when he joined them. Yep. Then he needed Kai.
[43:40] Speaker 2: I was there, bro. I watched game four, game five,
[43:44] Speaker 2: and I'm like, everybody needs somebody. He's insane. I went
[43:50] Speaker 2: to Russell Westbrook and KD. He's insane. He's insane. You're
[43:54] Speaker 2: up 3-1. Send them light-skinned niggas home.
[43:57] Speaker 3: You're using his whole career.
[43:59] Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. And, dude, your whole career comes
[44:02] Speaker 2: to the threshold. That's what it is.
[44:04] Speaker 3: That's what they knock on LeBron.
[44:06] Speaker 2: You have 144 minutes to win one game. Let me
[44:07] Speaker 2: break this down.
[44:08] Speaker 5: You have three games to win one game.
[44:10] Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
[44:11] Speaker 5: After going against LeBron in 2012 for the finals.
[44:14] Speaker 2: Some people only get to the championship one time. Some
[44:17] Speaker 2: people only see a championship floor one time. Can you capitalize?
[44:21] Speaker 2: Your greatness relies on this. No, it doesn't. You can
[44:23] Speaker 2: think that all you want. This is why people look
[44:26] Speaker 2: at LeBron and say, I don't know if he the best. Why?
[44:30] Speaker 2: Because he's been to the championship so many times. You
[44:33] Speaker 2: know how hard it is. I know. I'm just, I'm
[44:36] Speaker 2: defending him. I'm just.
[44:37] Speaker 8: Okay.
[44:38] Speaker 2: Because I hate that conversation too. Anytime I argue, listen up.
[44:40] Speaker 4: Anytime I argue, Joe, I'm going to always see. I
[44:43] Speaker 4: understand the other side. Otherwise, I wouldn't even bring this
[44:45] Speaker 4: argument up.
[44:46] Speaker 2: I get it.
[44:47] Speaker 4: Braun lost in the championship. Mike didn't lose in the championship.
[44:52] Speaker 4: Look who Braun lost to. I'm saying the facts be
[44:54] Speaker 4: the facts.
[44:55] Speaker 2: Listen up. No.
[44:56] Speaker 4: Like I said, Shorty, we could do a lot of that.
[44:59] Speaker 2: Use facts. Use facts. We talking about Tim. Listen, I
[45:02] Speaker 2: went to the championship with them. We lost. What are
[45:04] Speaker 2: we talking about? Yeah, Kyrie got hurt. Yes. Braun was
[45:07] Speaker 2: fucked up too. Uh-huh. I had a dislocated shoulder.
[45:11] Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
[45:11] Speaker 2: K-Love's shoulder was messed up. Carly Olenek pulled it out. Uh-huh.
[45:15] Speaker 2: We remember. Kyrie halved his knee. It's so much. We lost. Okay,
[45:19] Speaker 2: I get it. We lost.
[45:20] Speaker 5: It didn't matter, though, dawg.
[45:21] Speaker 4: Steph Curry won a ring that year. On our court,
[45:25] Speaker 4: they was dancing, popping champagne. Whether them hypotheticals is.
[45:28] Speaker 2: In here don't matter. Nigga, you went home. No, no, no.
[45:31] Speaker 2: It's a fact. No, it's a fact. Here's a fact.
[45:36] Speaker 2: Here's a fact. No, no, no, no. Here's a fact.
[45:38] Speaker 2: And this is the fact you don't want to take
[45:39] Speaker 2: into consideration. You said Braun needed Kyrie. Right? To win
[45:46] Speaker 2: some games. Because you always need a second option.
[45:49] Speaker 3: Can you tell me Russell Westbrook's Kyrie that would have
[45:52] Speaker 3: helped him over the top?
[45:53] Speaker 2: No. No, no, no, no, no. Russell Westbrook had a
[45:56] Speaker 2: LeBron James. Russell Westbrook had a LeBron James. Paul George
[45:59] Speaker 2: had his best season. No, no, no. Don't damn the MVP.
[46:01] Speaker 2: Where was Kyrie? He didn't have Kyrie. He got LeBron. Russ! What?
[46:04] Speaker 2: I'm out with the Lakers? We ain't going to do that.
[46:12] Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook played with Kevin Durant. At the end of
[46:15] Speaker 2: the game, who do you think should be getting the ball? KD.
[46:18] Speaker 2: Russell's shooting.
[46:20] Speaker 5: Russell's shooting.
[46:21] Speaker 2: That's literally LeBron and Kyrie. We can blame that on youth.
[46:25] Speaker 2: That's youth. You just said they had to learn. That's
[46:28] Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
[46:29] Speaker 3: That's what split them up. That's what split them up.
[46:32] Speaker 3: But you're saying one is the number one. It's all
[46:36] Speaker 3: about winning. One is the number one option.
[46:37] Speaker 2: He left because they lost. No, no, no.
[46:39] Speaker 3: One is the number one option. One is the number
[46:41] Speaker 3: two option. The number two option thinks he's the number
[46:43] Speaker 3: one option. So that's friction right there.
[46:45] Speaker 2: So? Huh? That's life. Yes. So when he.
[46:49] Speaker 3: Becomes the number one option, you're judging me off of
[46:51] Speaker 3: my winning. Who the fuck is my second option? That
[46:55] Speaker 3: don't got nothing to do with me.
[46:57] Speaker 2: Oh, here we go. Your second option matters.
[47:00] Speaker 3: Because you're saying, why did I win a championship? I
[47:02] Speaker 3: got an organization and my second option was who again?
[47:05] Speaker 2: Who was my best second option again? Say it, please.
[47:08] Speaker 2: When I finally got some talent. You feel me, though?
[47:11] Speaker 2: You don't have to say it. You can take 20
[47:17] Speaker 2: million and go your ass over there when somebody wins.
[47:21] Speaker 2: Niggas don't want to do that.
[47:22] Speaker 4: Niggas side, they want the responsibility, and then when they
[47:26] Speaker 4: go down, niggas don't.
[47:27] Speaker 2: Want to be there. Wait, wait, wait. Are you serious?
[47:31] Speaker 2: Are you serious? This is what you're talking about? Damn!
[47:44] Speaker 2: That was Russell Westbrook's spirit knocking right off that table.
[47:48] Speaker 2: You telling me. You telling me. That's why they give
[47:51] Speaker 2: you the match. You telling me the.
[47:52] Speaker 3: Greats that he is compared to had another Hall of
[47:55] Speaker 3: Famer with them. And you saying his best second player
[47:58] Speaker 3: was what? I'm not saying that, brother. No, because I can.
[48:02] Speaker 2: Tell you this. When he did have talent, when he
[48:05] Speaker 2: finally got talent, when he finally got talent, think about
[48:11] Speaker 2: what I'm saying. When I'm asking you, everybody else got
[48:14] Speaker 2: a number two. I just want y'all.
[48:16] Speaker 4: Not convincing me to be a fan of Russell Westbrook.
[48:19] Speaker 2: I just want y'all to know this.
[48:20] Speaker 3: It's been one of my favorites for a long time.
[48:24] Speaker 2: We know who everybody had. When Russell Westbrook finally got
[48:28] Speaker 2: any talent next to him. What did Paul George do?
[48:31] Speaker 2: He had his best year.
[48:32] Speaker 5: When he finally got.
[48:34] Speaker 6: Somebody with him, his best year.
[48:37] Speaker 2: Why they ain't win? Because he left. He left. It
[48:42] Speaker 2: ain't his fault, but you're judging him like, oh, I'm
[48:45] Speaker 2: not judging Russ. I love Russ. I was mad as hell.
[48:49] Speaker 2: I was mad as hell when they started ripping him
[48:52] Speaker 2: up in L.A. They beat OKC. Ha! I understand that.
[48:56] Speaker 6: Even if they got past Damien.
[48:58] Speaker 2: But you see what I'm saying? They wasn't ready.
[49:01] Speaker 4: I'm not going to give rules to everybody else and
[49:05] Speaker 4: then I can just take favorite guys and jump them over. D.
[49:09] Speaker 2: Rose is better than a lot of people to me.
[49:12] Speaker 2: He's colder than a lot of motherfuckers to me. But
[49:14] Speaker 2: because he didn't win, I'm not finna put him over nobody.
[49:18] Speaker 2: You think I'm gonna jump D-Rose over him? We already
[49:21] Speaker 2: talked about that. We talked about the guy.
[49:23] Speaker 4: So why am I all of a sudden jumping over him?
[49:27] Speaker 2: What's the list? We keep having the same conversation. We
[49:30] Speaker 2: get it. Russ didn't win. We talked about the guys
[49:34] Speaker 2: that won. After that, how do we separate the rest?
[49:38] Speaker 2: I'm asking you.
[49:40] Speaker 8: You keep saying Russ didn't win.
[49:42] Speaker 2: We just need five. That's it. We just need to
[49:43] Speaker 2: put number five. Magic, Steph, Isaiah, Shea, give me the
[49:48] Speaker 2: last one. Magic, Steph, Isaiah, Shea. Give me the last five.
[49:54] Speaker 2: What does it do? Right now. We can throw J.K.
[49:57] Speaker 2: in there. I'm always with J.K. in there. But two things.
[49:59] Speaker 2: It's going to have to be Jalen Brunson. Fuck no.
[50:07] Speaker 2: Don't piss y'all off. At year 18, we're going to
[50:10] Speaker 2: have a combo. After year 18 for Jalen Brunson, we're
[50:14] Speaker 2: going to have a combo. You got to wait until
[50:16] Speaker 2: year 18.
[50:16] Speaker 5: You got to wait until year 18.
[50:18] Speaker 2: What if he get another one? Let him get it.
[50:22] Speaker 2: He don't even have an MVP. All I'm saying is
[50:25] Speaker 2: you get mad right now that Jalen Brunson ain't as
[50:27] Speaker 2: old as Russell Westbrook. I'm not mad. You mad because
[50:30] Speaker 2: you said who's above him. I said it. Now y'all
[50:32] Speaker 2: mad that he ain't 18 years old.
[50:34] Speaker 5: But Brunson also had a perfect team around him.
[50:37] Speaker 2: He brought a championship to the franchise that nobody could.
[50:42] Speaker 4: Half the superstars didn't even want to bring their ass
[50:44] Speaker 4: over there and have that.
[50:45] Speaker 2: If you're not deep. And he took it all on.
[50:50] Speaker 2: Like my thing, like you're giving no offense.
[50:53] Speaker 3: You're giving JT credit for a championship.
[50:56] Speaker 2: Based off your standard, you can say that. Based off
[50:58] Speaker 2: your standard, you can say that.
[51:00] Speaker 4: But I'm saying, why does that not matter? Why does
[51:03] Speaker 4: winning not matter? Because that narrative only matters to niggas
[51:06] Speaker 4: in New York.
[51:07] Speaker 2: Outside of New York? Don't nobody give a fuck about that.
[51:09] Speaker 4: We're all playing every year for the same championship. But
[51:12] Speaker 4: if niggas don't win it, now it don't matter.
[51:14] Speaker 2: Don't nobody give a fuck about that.
[51:15] Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying.
[51:17] Speaker 2: That's the only reason we played there. But Russ won
[51:19] Speaker 2: an MVP at fucking Oklahoma City. Russ won all of
[51:21] Speaker 2: that trying to get to the gold trophy. Trying to
[51:25] Speaker 2: do what? Get to the gold trophy. He won everything
[51:28] Speaker 2: he won trying to win, bro. Trying to win? Yes.
[51:32] Speaker 2: But the people that won deserve a little credit.
[51:36] Speaker 7: So in your top five, you can't be a top
[51:38] Speaker 7: five point guard unless you have a championship?
[51:40] Speaker 2: No. Okay. Well, that's a lot of motherfuckers we can't
[51:42] Speaker 2: even talk about anymore. You can't. And I love them. Wait, wait, wait. Like,
[51:46] Speaker 2: you ain't finna tell me shit about Nick Manets.
[51:49] Speaker 4: He didn't get to be by himself just going out here.
[51:53] Speaker 4: You feel what I'm saying? He didn't get to just
[51:56] Speaker 4: go do that. It was a bunch of point guards
[51:59] Speaker 4: that I really love.
[52:00] Speaker 6: Kenny Smith in that month. You do got to talk
[52:03] Speaker 6: about it.
[52:04] Speaker 2: It's like people that figured out how to win get
[52:06] Speaker 2: no credit for figuring out how to win. They should
[52:08] Speaker 2: have been a more all-star performer. Let me be more
[52:11] Speaker 2: about that. all-star game.
[52:19] Speaker 4: I'm not agreeing with your standards.
[52:22] Speaker 2: You understand why it is that way. That's what I'm saying.
[52:25] Speaker 2: That trumps everything to me.
[52:26] Speaker 4: Yes, if somebody has a championship and you got three all-stars,
[52:29] Speaker 4: that don't make.
[52:30] Speaker 2: Them better than you.
[52:31] Speaker 4: I've also played on a nigga's team that I felt like, yeah,
[52:34] Speaker 4: do the all-star, but he ain't never going to win shit.
[52:37] Speaker 5: If Brian comes to your team... Fuck it, Kyle Lowry,
[52:39] Speaker 5: top five.
[52:40] Speaker 2: Fuck it. He a great point guard. That's what that
[52:42] Speaker 2: sounds like.
[52:43] Speaker 4: Because we keep thinking that point guards are supposed to
[52:45] Speaker 4: score 40 a game.
[52:46] Speaker 2: No, we don't. That's not the point guard.
[52:48] Speaker 4: The point guard makes sure we win the fucking game.
[52:50] Speaker 2: That's the case we're not even talking about, J.P. King.
[52:52] Speaker 4: The point guard makes sure we win the fucking game.
[52:55] Speaker 3: So that means every point guard that played with Michael
[52:57] Speaker 3: Jordan should be in here.
[52:58] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Ron Harper didn't tell us about it.
[53:01] Speaker 2: Ron Harper. Ron Harper. I mean, Ron Harper.
[53:04] Speaker 4: I didn't say Ron Hoffman was top five.
[53:08] Speaker 2: What I'm saying is what you're saying is that.
[53:11] Speaker 4: They also ran a triangle offense to where you don't
[53:13] Speaker 4: have to do nothing. He didn't have to do what
[53:16] Speaker 4: most people have to do.
[53:18] Speaker 2: You mean carry the team? Not carry the team. Make
[53:21] Speaker 2: the decisions. Whoa, I'm sorry.
[53:25] Speaker 3: Giving the ball to a Hall of Famer, if that's
[53:27] Speaker 3: the decision I got to make, God.
[53:29] Speaker 2: Damn it, sign me up.
[53:31] Speaker 5: LeBron James.
[53:32] Speaker 3: If I get to pass it to LeBron James, I
[53:33] Speaker 3: get to pass it to Shaquille O'Neal.
[53:36] Speaker 2: Like, come on. This is what scared me. Why didn't
[53:40] Speaker 2: y'all just sign over there? Mo Williams is almost top five.
[53:45] Speaker 5: They won that championship.
[53:46] Speaker 2: Derrick Fisher is top five. You hear this shit?
[53:48] Speaker 5: I'm saying the championship matters. To the point, girl, I'm
[53:50] Speaker 5: saying some of these dudes got stupid.
[53:51] Speaker 2: No, say what you're saying.
[53:52] Speaker 5: I'm saying that Mo Williams would have been top five
[53:55] Speaker 5: if he had a championship.
[53:56] Speaker 2: If he had a championship. Because why are you doing
[53:58] Speaker 2: another hypothetical? Why are they getting championships? It matters. So
[54:01] Speaker 2: what about Derrick Fisher? But LeBron shows up. Now you
[54:04] Speaker 2: see why I said this shit about KD that I said.
[54:06] Speaker 2: It's a problem because you should have a ring.
[54:09] Speaker 4: Because you weren't LeBron. You were Kyrie. LeBron was a
[54:14] Speaker 4: 10 straight final. It's going to help you if you
[54:17] Speaker 4: got a little bit of talent, bro. That's all I'm saying.
[54:19] Speaker 5: I'm saying if LeBron's on your team, it's going to
[54:21] Speaker 5: matter if you have a championship.
[54:22] Speaker 2: So KD wasn't on this team?
[54:24] Speaker 5: KD wasn't there yet, bro. He still ain't there to
[54:26] Speaker 5: win a championship, bro.
[54:28] Speaker 2: You got to think about the rest of the team.
[54:31] Speaker 2: KD was going around with a book bag going to
[54:34] Speaker 2: random courts and scoring 80 around that time, Joe. That's
[54:37] Speaker 2: what he does. For sure.
[54:41] Speaker 4: The moment he made that decision and went over there,
[54:44] Speaker 4: it was because they couldn't win.
[54:46] Speaker 2: Why couldn't they win? Hey, don't ask me why.
[54:50] Speaker 4: I don't think KD left for fit.
[54:54] Speaker 2: Why couldn't they win? You had to fit. Why couldn't
[54:58] Speaker 2: they win? Winning is winning. I think he left for fit.
[55:02] Speaker 6: I think he left for a system that complimented his game.
[55:06] Speaker 2: We went to the championship. I don't think it had
[55:07] Speaker 2: nothing to do with Russ. We went to the championship
[55:10] Speaker 2: and we downgraded. KD left for a system that fit him.
[55:14] Speaker 4: So the OKC system didn't fit KD, though.
[55:19] Speaker 5: The system he left was heavily Russ, which kind of—
[55:21] Speaker 5: We already talked about it. The system is for the
[55:23] Speaker 5: role players. It's not for the stars.
[55:25] Speaker 2: You know it. You already talked about it. KD did
[55:28] Speaker 2: not leave because of Russ. The media made it that.
[55:33] Speaker 6: KD left because he wanted a system that complimented him.
[55:37] Speaker 2: But when it came down to stretch, somebody was shooting
[55:40] Speaker 2: his shots. That's what I'm saying.
[55:42] Speaker 4: A system that compliments him.
[55:45] Speaker 5: Russ was shooting KD's shots.
[55:47] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He had his opportunity.
[55:50] Speaker 5: He took his shots.
[55:51] Speaker 2: But we hoopers, bro. We're not buying into bullshit. But
[55:54] Speaker 2: that's the thing. I'm not buying into bullshit either. We're
[55:57] Speaker 2: not going to make it a KD-Russ thing. No, no, no.
[56:00] Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about. First tier score and a
[56:03] Speaker 2: second tier score.
[56:04] Speaker 5: If I'm doing 90-50-40, 31-8-5, and I can't get the
[56:07] Speaker 5: last five minutes of.
[56:08] Speaker 2: Shots, I'm up out of here.
[56:10] Speaker 3: Listen, what happened to them is no different than what
[56:13] Speaker 3: happened to the Lakers that year. There's a change of
[56:17] Speaker 3: power or a thought about it. You had KD MVP.
[56:22] Speaker 3: Russell thinks he's getting into his game.
[56:24] Speaker 2: One leaves. One is injured.
[56:26] Speaker 3: The other one finds himself. Now when both are back together, remember,
[56:31] Speaker 3: this one's changed his game. This one's changed his game.
[56:35] Speaker 2: The other one who's coming back think the game is
[56:37] Speaker 2: still the same.
[56:38] Speaker 3: So they're fighting. They're bickering in real time. Now one's
[56:43] Speaker 3: a free agent. I don't think they would fight. But
[56:46] Speaker 3: that's what happens. Same thing with the Lakers and the Colts.
[56:48] Speaker 3: It's just a little friction. But that always happens because
[56:52] Speaker 3: they still got to figure out what each other's new
[56:54] Speaker 3: rules are.
[56:55] Speaker 2: Without a doubt. But it happens to everyone. And I'm
[56:58] Speaker 2: sorry that it happens. It happened to Boston.
[57:00] Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is when you're Kevin Durant and
[57:03] Speaker 3: y'all go to the championship and you don't elevate, you
[57:08] Speaker 3: go down.
[57:09] Speaker 2: James Harden leaves. This happens.
[57:13] Speaker 3: And now you're a free agent, Hall of Famer, and
[57:16] Speaker 3: you got three people that just won 73 games, call you.
[57:21] Speaker 2: Hello. Fuck the 73 games. So he's like, you know what?
[57:24] Speaker 2: This is what I need. This is what I need.
[57:26] Speaker 4: I think the system matters more than anything about fucking
[57:29] Speaker 4: 73 games. They won 73 games and got spanked. So
[57:32] Speaker 4: that 73 shit don't even fucking matter.
[57:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. Y'all won 73 games by yourself. No, by yourself.
[57:38] Speaker 2: Now you're adding me. Y'all won 73 games. Now you're
[57:42] Speaker 2: adding me. It was a different team.
[57:44] Speaker 3: And it was still a different team when I added him.
[57:46] Speaker 2: So it's guaranteed championship. I need hardware. Listen, I need hardware.
[57:50] Speaker 2: I know I'm going to win the finals MVP. He's
[57:52] Speaker 2: supposed to get a third. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
[57:54] Speaker 2: I'm going to win the finals MVP. I'm going to
[57:56] Speaker 2: do that. And this is what I need for my legacy.
[57:59] Speaker 2: All I need. I got the scoring titles. I got this.
[58:01] Speaker 2: What I need is an MVP. Now what happened is,
[58:04] Speaker 2: what happens?
[58:05] Speaker 1: What?
[58:06] Speaker 3: When I do that, get the hard work y'all telling
[58:08] Speaker 3: me about, you change the goalposts.
[58:10] Speaker 2: Exactly. Who changed the goalposts? Oh, you don't say.
[58:14] Speaker 3: Everybody. This is the first time we ever heard this shit.
[58:18] Speaker 3: You can't go to the team you just beat.
[58:20] Speaker 2: When the fuck did that happen? No, no, no. What
[58:24] Speaker 2: KD did... I don't give a fuck if it was 4-0!
[58:26] Speaker 2: It was 4-0! Listen, I don't... A loss is a loss.
[58:31] Speaker 2: I just said it on the other day. I said, listen,
[58:35] Speaker 2: KD made me mad. You took two rings from me.
[58:38] Speaker 2: He still got the two rings. He still got the trophy.
[58:41] Speaker 2: Give me full credit for it. And because it comes
[58:42] Speaker 2: to the finals, it'd be fucking Pete. We didn't say
[58:44] Speaker 2: he didn't get him. That's not what we said. You
[58:47] Speaker 2: got that. It's a fact. What does that mean about Russ, though?
[58:49] Speaker 2: He don't have it. That's a fact. Yeah, yeah. I
[58:52] Speaker 2: didn't get to play with two Hall of Famers, three
[58:54] Speaker 2: Hall of Famers. He played with the nigga with the
[58:56] Speaker 2: two trophies. No, no. He didn't have the two trophies
[58:59] Speaker 2: when I was with him. Peter had a two-trovers when
[59:02] Speaker 2: I was with him. That's what we... I don't know
[59:04] Speaker 2: what point you're making. But one goes, and he gets.
[59:08] Speaker 3: We're going to say cars. because one's a Bugatti. He
[59:11] Speaker 3: goes and he teams up with a bunch of other
[59:14] Speaker 3: Bugattis and they're blowing everybody up.
[59:17] Speaker 2: The Bugatti that's here? Hondas. Everybody got Hondas. This is
[59:21] Speaker 2: a fucking whole Honda team. And you're telling me, damn,
[59:24] Speaker 2: you ain't winning all the goddamn races. God damn it,
[59:27] Speaker 2: you know why?
[59:28] Speaker 3: Because after I finish and I got to tag this,
[59:31] Speaker 3: this Honda's going against other cars.
[59:34] Speaker 2: He can't win this race.
[59:36] Speaker 7: I think what you're trying to say is, I'm not paraphrasing,
[59:38] Speaker 7: but basically, based on the way Russ, some of the
[59:41] Speaker 7: shots and the way he played, you think that led
[59:43] Speaker 7: to him not winning and KD leaving and that's why
[59:45] Speaker 7: you're holding that against him?
[59:46] Speaker 2: Because I low-key think Russ.
[59:48] Speaker 4: play differently down the stretch in that OKC run, K
[59:52] Speaker 4: never leaves.
[59:53] Speaker 2: But his career didn't end there.
[59:55] Speaker 3: His career just started after KD left.
[59:57] Speaker 2: It ended, brother.
[59:58] Speaker 4: We said that he's not going to win a ring
[1:00:00] Speaker 4: on these other teams because he got the Hondas.
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: We're agreeing with you. But I'm saying, in his moment,
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: what make a champion is in the moment you go
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: for the win, bro.
[1:00:10] Speaker 4: It's literally why we get the slow-mo.
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: The fade-out shot, the crowd hope. This is all for
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: the moment. If they want a championship, it do matter.
[1:00:22] Speaker 4: That's why you got to do your research and sign
[1:00:25] Speaker 4: with the right organization. If you take a job, you
[1:00:29] Speaker 4: got to do your research and know what organization you with.
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: Besides fucking talent, bro. Stop. So much coaching. All that
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: shit matters. All that shit matters, bro.
[1:00:41] Speaker 4: Who said it don't matter? Can you go out on
[1:00:45] Speaker 4: a limb and say yes?
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: No, I don't care. All that matters. All of that matters. Okay.
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: It matters. Who was KD's coach? Check this out. Who
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: was KD's coach? Scott Brooks. Exactly. What the fuck has
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: he won? Damn. What did T. Luke win? Why Scott
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: Brooks catch the straight? Somebody got to catch it for Rustam.
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: We had to listen to T. Luke.
[1:01:05] Speaker 3: And T.
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: Luke was an assistant. We had to listen to T.
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: Luke for half a season. The next season, we won.
[1:01:12] Speaker 4: So just because Scott Brooks didn't have to win.
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, y'all won a championship
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: that year. T. Luke took over. That's what I'm saying.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: We lost. Y'all won. Y'all what? The blink? The blink?
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: You know they both... Y'all both had to... They both
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: had to say... I said he was an assistant. Yes.
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: The next year... Uh-huh. He took over. Halfway through. We won.
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: You was winning no matter what. Mm-mm. Brother, that's why
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: Blatt was out. They were saying we couldn't win.
[1:01:39] Speaker 4: Because of the coaching.
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: Listen, because of what he's saying right now.
[1:01:44] Speaker 4: They said, because of the coaching, we need to switch
[1:01:47] Speaker 4: our coaching and have it to where somebody.
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: Because y'all were struggling, huh? Y'all were struggling? They weren't struggling. No,
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: I know they wasn't struggling.
[1:01:54] Speaker 4: They both had the same record.
[1:01:55] Speaker 5: They were going to win a championship regardless. The man
[1:02:00] Speaker 5: with the 10 straight finals have one chance or a
[1:02:02] Speaker 5: couple chances to win a championship regardless.
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: They don't win that championship without T. Lou.
[1:02:07] Speaker 7: Can you please tell them what T. Lou had to
[1:02:09] Speaker 7: do in Game 7?
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: Hold on. I wasn't there. But tell me what T.
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: Lou had to say to Braun when he had to
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: get in Braun the way that we know. Hey, me
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: and you both.
[1:02:20] Speaker 7: Know Black was scared to talk to Braun.
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: Without a doubt. That's why that coaching matters. Listen up.
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: Listen up. Why Russ didn't get the coach out of
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: there then?
[1:02:30] Speaker 5: Mike Brown was scared.
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: Hey, what? What was T.
[1:02:34] Speaker 3: Lou saying when the motherfuckers were down 3-1?
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: What was T.
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: Lou saying when y'all was down 3-1?
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: You gonna come back? That we finna come back and
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: beat them. How about 2-1? Scott Brooks ain't say that.
[1:02:49] Speaker 2: What was the message then? When we was down 3-1?
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: Even the series. Huh? You said when it was 2-1. 3-1? 3-1.
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: We're going to come back.
[1:03:00] Speaker 4: They're going to be under pressure when we play game six.
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: Game seven, we're going to cook them. 2-1. Hold on.
[1:03:04] Speaker 4: 2-1.
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: We didn't have what? They have two dudes that can
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: combine for 90. Hold on.
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: You're telling me Russ and KD never combined for 90?
[1:03:09] Speaker 3: Kairi and Russ and KD can.
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: They had 82 together. They both had 41. I was there.
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: I'm saying Russ can score like Kairi. Yes. Naturally. Not naturally.
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: At all. Russ had plenty of games where he had 40.
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: Not in that type of situation. Plenty of games where
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: he had 30. Half court. One is a half court.
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: There are two different niggas. I know. Exactly. That's the point.
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: All that shit matters.
[1:03:42] Speaker 5: I'm saying so when we sit in there and he's like, yo,
[1:03:43] Speaker 5: what did he say? I said, they didn't have two
[1:03:45] Speaker 5: dudes and go combine for 82 like LeBron and Kyrie
[1:03:49] Speaker 5: could do it. That's a cheat code, bruh.
[1:03:51] Speaker 4: Russell Westbrook not only would score 30, he would get
[1:03:55] Speaker 4: you 10 assists.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: He can't go get a Kyrie 40. True or false?
[1:03:59] Speaker 4: He can get you 30 plus 10 assists that'll probably
[1:04:02] Speaker 4: add up to about 20 or 34.
[1:04:04] Speaker 2: So he's responsible for 60. What's that 30 coming out to? Huh?
[1:04:07] Speaker 5: What's the shot percentage of that 30?
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: I don't know. No, that's not even a thing. Would
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: you give Russ the ball at the end of the game? Yes.
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: Did they have a complimentary shooter that.
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: Did they have a complimentary shooter that y'all had?
[1:04:21] Speaker 2: What do you mean? He was the fucking point guard.
[1:04:23] Speaker 2: And J.R. Smith. Because there's a money slot going for it. No,
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: Alex Sabrinas was their shooter. Andre Robles was their shooter.
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: LeBron doesn't understand how you see why I said certain
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: point guards Go over it. Chemistry matters. You're proving my point.
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: No, you're proving a point of a one year, and
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: then his whole career started.
[1:04:41] Speaker 2: After that moment. Meaning he failed? If you want to
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: have a conversation about this, I give it the conversation
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: y'all want to have. Barring any championship pedigree, who's just
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: a better player? What I'm saying is, you know what?
[1:04:54] Speaker 4: If you want to do that, we can do that
[1:04:55] Speaker 4: all day. It's going to be a totally different list,
[1:04:57] Speaker 4: but we can do that.
[1:04:58] Speaker 2: You know what? But if basketball ain't for winning, nigga,
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: why did y'all ever let me play? If y'all pick
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: me up to have statistics.
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: Because you're giving people credit for championships that they wasn't
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: the lead dog at. You're putting people in front of
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: them that has championships that they wasn't even the cause
[1:05:17] Speaker 3: of the championship.
[1:05:18] Speaker 2: Boogie ain't coming back tomorrow. Jalen Brunson is not the
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: cause of this championship. That's one person. Magic John. Yes,
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: you put him in there. Jason Kidd.
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: Nope. Nope.
[1:05:30] Speaker 4: Jason Kidd had nothing to do with Dallas winning.
[1:05:32] Speaker 5: Y'all full of shit.
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: Y'all full of shit. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: Hold on. Hold on.
[1:05:39] Speaker 8: Hold on.
[1:05:55] Speaker 4: I ain't going to let you fuck up.
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: Dirt, if you get nervous, bro, don't even worry about it.
[1:06:00] Speaker 2: I'm going to put you right here, Shreddy. I'm going
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: to put you right here. You go right here to
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: the kill post. Right here. Go off. Cool. Bro, you
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: ain't going to tell me shit about JT. I just
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: want to hear what he got to say. Hold on, Sean.
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: Sean ain't going to tell me shit about him. He
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: was the main part of that shit. Hey, man, time out, man.
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: You good, man. You drove him down. You had a great...
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: Hold on a second. Look, Ray John Rondo, big part
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: of both.
[1:06:19] Speaker 3: Hold on.
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah, who going to deal with all them
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: niggas needing the ball, and you got all them the ball?
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: I agree. Go ask KG if Ray John Rondo wants it.
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: So wait, hold the fuck on.
[1:06:30] Speaker 3: You're telling me Dirk and that team, you're giving Jason
[1:06:34] Speaker 3: credit as a full championship like everybody else who had
[1:06:37] Speaker 3: to leave their team? You're saying second year Rondo, who
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: got three Hall of Famers on it, and he just
[1:06:43] Speaker 3: get the ball?
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: He didn't turn into Rondo yet. That wasn't the Rondo
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: we know. I don't know. That wasn't the Rondo that was.
[1:06:49] Speaker 2: You talking about Kentucky Rondo? Yeah, we're talking about the
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: second-year Rondo. Second-year Rondo. That's not that Rondo. That's not
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: that Rondo. He's right. That's not that Rondo. Take Rondo out.
[1:06:59] Speaker 2: I ain't going. That is not that Rondo. I ain't going.
[1:07:01] Speaker 2: Take Rondo out. That is not the Rondo. I need
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: a better example. The championship Rondo was the second-year Rondo.
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: This is crazy. I need a better example. This is
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: the second-year Rondo. I need a better example. The Rondo that.
[1:07:10] Speaker 4: Was the triple-double Rondo in the playoffs.
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: That's not the Rondo.
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: That Rondo turned after he won a championship. We're talking
[1:07:20] Speaker 3: about the second year Rondo.
[1:07:21] Speaker 2: So during that championship run, Rondo was doing what? He
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: was in a dunker. All right, pull him up. I
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: promise you. He ain't do nothing. He better not average shit.
[1:07:30] Speaker 2: He better not average shit. I was in the dunker
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: with me.
[1:07:36] Speaker 3: It sounded like a great playing style.
[1:07:40] Speaker 2: I told you, it's about scoring. They want to see score.
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about Q. Bring me the jury.
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: That's it. Don't nobody care about that. That Q shit,
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: I keep telling y'all this. Motherfuckers don't care.
[1:07:52] Speaker 4: Motherfuckers still sitting there going at Charles Barkley like.
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: He wasn't a coach. That year he averaged 10 and 5.
[1:07:57] Speaker 4: Charles Barkley was so motherfucking cold and people still go
[1:08:01] Speaker 4: in on him. Why?
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: Because you lost. 10 and 5 in regular season, 10
[1:08:05] Speaker 2: and 6 in the championship. Ron went to the championship
[1:08:08] Speaker 2: and lost.
[1:08:08] Speaker 3: 10 and 5 in regular season, 10 and 6 in
[1:08:10] Speaker 3: the playoffs.
[1:08:12] Speaker 4: Y'all trying to take power out of the Larry O'Brien trophy,
[1:08:14] Speaker 4: and it's bothering me.
[1:08:16] Speaker 2: It's bothering me. It means the most. Hey, bro, you
[1:08:19] Speaker 2: gotta let somebody else get in. You're just over-talking everybody.
[1:08:22] Speaker 2: We feel your point, but damn, can we double that shit?
[1:08:24] Speaker 2: Y'all keep... Man, we just want to get one word in.
[1:08:27] Speaker 2: Let me know what you've done. It means everything. You
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: brought a five-minute rant.
[1:08:32] Speaker 3: You brought a five-minute championship rant.
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: That's not an individual accomplishment, bro. No matter how much
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: you try to spin it. This is not an individual game.
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: Y'all talking about individual stats outweighing the trophy. When we
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: talk about top five, that's individual, nigga. Yeah. Individuals that won.
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: What the fuck are we talking about? Individuals that won.
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: Yo, there's no number one.
[1:08:52] Speaker 2: Or number two option. Not no fucking fifth, fourth, or
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: sixth man. What the fuck are we talking about? Everybody
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: you name.
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: You're talking about holy fuck and shit, bro.
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here. Tony Parker? Yes. Man,
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here. I mean, I mean,
[1:09:09] Speaker 2: I mean. Do you hear this? No, no, no. Listen,
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: I would take Tony Parker over the other two names.
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: I'm glad we live, shorty. I'm just glad we live.
[1:09:18] Speaker 2: I'm glad we live, too. I swear to God, I
[1:09:20] Speaker 2: can't make this up. We can't give everybody credit. The
[1:09:22] Speaker 2: names that y'all waving off is wild as hell. You
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: know why we waving it off? Why? Because there's the
[1:09:28] Speaker 2: best power forward ever. That he's passing the ball to them.
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: That's who. What is KD? Is he not one of
[1:09:37] Speaker 2: the top players that we've ever seen score a basketball?
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: He got chips. He was standing right next to Russ.
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: And he got chips.
[1:09:42] Speaker 5: It's different though.
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: He got chips. Why is it different? Because he was young.
[1:09:47] Speaker 2: The same way Jordan lost when he was young. But
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: you would get Jordan all the credit in the world.
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: Jordan get all the credit in the world. He was
[1:09:56] Speaker 2: getting his ass spanked when he was young. It's the
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: same thing. When he got older, he won. When KD
[1:10:03] Speaker 2: got older, he won. KD got older a year after
[1:10:06] Speaker 2: going home. When he won... He's joining the niggas. That's
[1:10:15] Speaker 2: like the niggas coming to listen to him.
[1:10:17] Speaker 4: Me and Evan come in there and we rob your house.
[1:10:22] Speaker 2: Next year, no, you don't smoke us. Next year, you
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: come hang with us while we go rob Brendan. You
[1:10:27] Speaker 2: know why? What? No. You're missing the biggest point about
[1:10:36] Speaker 2: that what is it you two scary niggas called him I.
[1:10:56] Speaker 5: We need a lookout.
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: No, you didn't need a lookout. You needed an enforcer
[1:11:01] Speaker 2: at that point. No, he got it. No, no, no.
[1:11:04] Speaker 2: That's what's growing us all. Yes, they're throwing you off because....
[1:11:09] Speaker 5: We put in so much work, we lost a step.
[1:11:11] Speaker 5: That's what occurs. We just need a fresh nigga.
[1:11:13] Speaker 2: You need a fresh nigga.
[1:11:15] Speaker 3: We need to enforce it now to do everything for us,
[1:11:18] Speaker 3: but y'all get credit for it.
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: It's our shit. It's our shit. So where does Derrick
[1:11:23] Speaker 2: Fisher rank for you? You think all our time out, though.
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: I still respect it. Sean! Where does Derrick Fisher rank
[1:11:32] Speaker 2: for you? Wait, hold on. I want to finish this
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: right here. Oh, okay. I want to put... He got
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: the hardware. He got the hardware. Now it's not the same.
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: He got the hardware. Robert Horton got the hardware.
[1:11:47] Speaker 6: Moving the fucking goalposts like I said at the beginning.
[1:11:49] Speaker 2: Time to wrap this up for today. Time to wrap
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: this up for today. Time to wrap this. No, but you.
[1:11:58] Speaker 4: Got to put Derrick Fisher and Ron Harper off the rails.
[1:12:03] Speaker 2: In the conversation, bro. Time to wrap up the show
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: for today. Hold on. Time to wrap up the show today.
[1:12:11] Speaker 2: But appreciate all you gentlemen on this couch. Another spirited day.
[1:12:14] Speaker 2: A great opening week of season five. Let me ask
[1:12:17] Speaker 2: you a question. No, Gil. It's 20 minutes. It's a
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: 25-minute question. Just a simple question. Here we go. It's
[1:12:25] Speaker 2: not going to be simple. We're about to go another 30. No, no, no.
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: Yes or no question. So, Golden State wins the championship, right?
[1:12:32] Speaker 2: Then they come back. They lost. 73-9. Wait a minute.
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: They were 73-9. They end up losing. They didn't win
[1:12:40] Speaker 2: that championship.
[1:12:41] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:12:42] Speaker 2: If Kevin Durant doesn't go there. Right. Right? Do that
[1:12:48] Speaker 2: team even stay together? No. That's what I'm telling you. Okay, perfect. No, no, perfect.
[1:12:53] Speaker 2: It keeps me up all the time. No, no, perfect.
[1:12:56] Speaker 3: So, Kevin Durant going there created how many more Hall
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: of Famers? Because they get rings. They get more rings.
[1:13:05] Speaker 3: They got two more. They get more rings. Steph is
[1:13:08] Speaker 3: going to be a Hall of Famer now. One championship,
[1:13:13] Speaker 3: them two MVPs, and he was going to make a
[1:13:18] Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. But you remember, there's other people that's
[1:13:21] Speaker 3: using four. They get four rings to add to that
[1:13:24] Speaker 3: because Kevin Durant, boom, boom, boom, they win.
[1:13:27] Speaker 2: Right? They stay together. So.
[1:13:29] Speaker 2: How do they get to get all this love?
[1:13:32] Speaker 4: I don't take it as they get to get the love.
[1:13:35] Speaker 4: I just take it as I was.
[1:13:37] Speaker 2: The one following KD's Twitter. See what I'm saying?
[1:13:41] Speaker 4: He been saying, like, yo, this whole shit of, like,
[1:13:45] Speaker 4: y'all leaving teams and no loyalty in league, that was KD.
[1:13:49] Speaker 2: His whole M.O. was, I'm a hooper. You take on
[1:13:52] Speaker 2: the best. You bring on the best competition. I'll beat it.
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: For you to lose to the best... And then join it.
[1:14:00] Speaker 5: Not even the best. He lost to them and then...
[1:14:03] Speaker 5: They had the best record ever.
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah. You didn't lose to the best. They
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: had the best record ever. Yeah. The best actually lost
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: to us.
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, the Cleveland Cavaliers was the best.
[1:14:12] Speaker 5: Y'all were the best. Y'all should have had a dynasty.
[1:14:14] Speaker 2: I get it. But I'm kidding. You already were in
[1:14:18] Speaker 2: contention for that. He was... In OKC. He was the dynasty.
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: You could have did it over there under your own rules,
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: but you didn't. You went under another set of rules
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: over here in Golden State.
[1:14:30] Speaker 4: Which is why you had to shit with him and Draymond,
[1:14:33] Speaker 4: where it's like you went into their shit.
[1:14:35] Speaker 2: And changed it to my shit. Even if they called you.
[1:14:37] Speaker 2: They called him. That's fine. The facts still remain, Gary.
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: All right, Joe. Wrap it up, Joe. Wrap it up, Joe.
[1:14:44] Speaker 2: He's like Prince. What? He's like Prince. He's like Prince
[1:14:49] Speaker 2: renting Carlos Boozer's house. It's my house now. When I
[1:14:53] Speaker 2: got in there, I changed all this shit purple. 100%.
[1:14:55] Speaker 2: You're going to have to sue me. This is my
[1:14:57] Speaker 2: shit now. I feel it. And on that note. I
[1:14:59] Speaker 2: feel it.
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[1:15:12] Speaker 1: Very spirited discussion.
[1:15:13] Speaker 2: We got more coming all week long. Boogie. First show
[1:15:17] Speaker 2: in season five as a member of the cast. Boogie
[1:15:19] Speaker 2: said he ain't coming back.
[1:15:20] Speaker 4: Boogie came ready to get busy. This has been another episode.
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[1:15:32] Speaker 2: We'll see y'all tomorrow.

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