# Baron Davis Breaks Down NBA Finals Game 5 With Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 18 Jun 2025, 2 h 37 min.

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Baron Davis Breaks Down NBA Finals Game 5 With Gil's Arena as the legendary California hooper joins the Gil's Arena Crew to break down the OKC Thunder's huge win over the Indiana Pacers in Game 5 of the NBA Finals and react to the Thunder's dynamic duo lifting their team to within one win of the NBA Championship. They debate if this career altering performance solidified Shai Gilgeous Alexander & Jalen Williams as the best duo in the NBA and discuss if Williams vaulted himself into the NBA Finals MVP discussion with his 40 point performance. They also dissect the game from the Pacers perspective as a calf injury held Tyrese Haliburton to his worst performance in the NBA Playoffs, sparking a debate over who will step up to push the Pacers to a Game 7. Next, the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to Magic Johnson's comments on the criteria for an NBA Superstar and give their take on how many true superstars are in the NBA before breaking down Magic calling out Luka Doncic over his conditioning late in the season, sparking a debate over whether or not they believe Luka is cut out to be the face of the Lakers. They then continue their discussion on the best landing spots for Kevin Durant, this time highlighting the San Antonio Spurs as the best landing spot for the Phoenix Suns' superstar. They discuss if it makes sense for the Spurs to leverage their impressive future to pair Victor Wembanyama with a Hall of Famer and debate if this move would immediately put the Spurs in contention for an NBA Championship. Finally, the Gil's Arena CALLS OUT Stephen A Smith for his terrible take that Giannis Antetokounmpo is an underachiever if he doesn't win another title and Baron Davis gives his take on various NBA topics like the Knicks' head coaching search, Jonathan Kuminga's contract battle with Golden State, and Russell Westbrook's future in the NBA. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Josiah Johnson, Baron Davis, Norris Cole, Kenyon Martin, Nick Young & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Fetch a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your Dog. Go to https://ruffgreens.com/arena and use promo code ARENA. Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 0:00:00 2 Min Countdown 0:01:56 Show Start 0:05:53 Magic Johnson's Definition Of A Superstar 0:11:32 Are There Any Superstars In The NBA Finals? 0:21:44 Rashad Calls Caitlin Clark The Only Superstar 0:28:13 Magic Calls Out Luka's Conditioning 0:54:24 The Spurs Are Kevin Durant's Best Fit 1:13:42 Nick Invites Kenyon To His 24Hr Fitness Runs 1:20:53 Baron Davis Enters The Arena 1:25:21 Best LA Hooper That Didn't Make It 1:29:30 Are Players Really Concerned With Their Legacies 1:36:50 OKC's Dynamic Duo Dominate The Pacers 1:53:01 Haliburton's Injury Status 1:59:04 J-Dub Has A Shot For Finals MVP 2:17:57 Can The Pacers Extend The Series? 2:31:51 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Got another
[0:07] Speaker 1: full house in the arena today and a special guest
[0:09] Speaker 1: coming through a little bit later.
[0:10] Speaker 2: How everybody feeling?
[0:13] Speaker 3: Good.
[0:13] Speaker 2: Swaggy, you still spiritual? Yeah, man.
[0:16] Speaker 3: I'm just loving God.
[0:19] Speaker 2: That's about it. Save. A robe today, you good? Appreciate you.
[0:25] Speaker 3: I had to clean it.
[0:26] Speaker 2: Appreciate you for wearing pants. You didn't have to.
[0:31] Speaker 1: Anyway, this is Gil Zerita presented by Underdog. As always,
[0:34] Speaker 1: we've got the legend Gilbert Zerita here with us. Next
[0:40] Speaker 1: to him, we've got NBA champion of the world, Swaggy P.
[0:42] Speaker 1: Nick Young, still spiritual, still honorable. Still honorable. And on
[0:49] Speaker 1: this side of the couch, we've got the distinguished gentleman
[0:50] Speaker 1: from Oak Cliff, former number one pick, Kenya Martin, back
[0:53] Speaker 1: here with us.
[0:55] Speaker 3: Thank you.
[0:58] Speaker 1: And we got the man they call money, making Sonny
[1:00] Speaker 1: NCAA champion of the world with shot. McCants is in
[1:03] Speaker 1: the house as well.
[1:05] Speaker 3: I'm broke, baby.
[1:07] Speaker 1: And making his second straight appearance in the arena, we
[1:09] Speaker 1: got two-time NBA champion Norris Cole.
[1:11] Speaker 3: Appreciate you.
[1:16] Speaker 2: Hopefully they put you up nicely, took care of you.
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[1:26] Speaker 2: You know the rule.
[1:27] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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[1:33] Speaker 1: you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today.
[1:38] Speaker 1: The Thunder's dynamic duo lifted OKC to a pivotal Game
[1:41] Speaker 1: 5 win over the Pacers to take their first lead
[1:44] Speaker 1: in the series. How concerned should Indiana be with Hallie's
[1:47] Speaker 1: leg injury heading into Game 6? Had the calf soreness, tightness.
[1:53] Speaker 1: Was walking with a limp after the game.
[1:56] Speaker 2: Calf. Pacers might be cooked.
[1:58] Speaker 1: Magic Johnson called out Luka for his conditioning last season,
[2:01] Speaker 1: but how will Luka handle the pressure that comes with
[2:03] Speaker 1: being the face of the Lakers in his first full
[2:06] Speaker 1: season with the team? And KD reportedly wants to get
[2:09] Speaker 1: traded to the Spurs, but should San Antonio leverage their
[2:12] Speaker 1: future with a 15-time All-Star that KD when we do
[2:16] Speaker 1: it might be something special, but... What's it going to
[2:18] Speaker 1: take to make it happen? Before we get into all that,
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[3:56] Speaker 1: throughout this season and these NBA finals, the topic of
[3:59] Speaker 1: who is and isn't a superstar has been a point
[4:01] Speaker 1: of contention. Last week on First Take, Magic Johnson gave
[4:04] Speaker 1: his superstar criteria.
[4:06] Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.
[4:08] Speaker 3: Define a superstar.
[4:10] Speaker 5: A person who can go on the road and sell
[4:12] Speaker 5: the building.
[4:12] Speaker 3: There we go. That's the best. It's a simple definition.
[4:17] Speaker 2: I'm going to.
[4:18] Speaker 3: See that person. Right.
[4:20] Speaker 5: So you ain't talking skill on the court.
[4:22] Speaker 2: That's it.
[4:22] Speaker 3: You talk about draw. You've got to be going to
[4:26] Speaker 3: the game. Yeah.
[4:26] Speaker 5: A superstar got to say, man, or you're running home
[4:30] Speaker 5: from the office and saying, oh, I got to see
[4:32] Speaker 5: him on TV.
[4:33] Speaker 3: Right. And that's what you say.
[4:35] Speaker 5: Larry Bird, people running home.
[4:37] Speaker 2: Charles Barkley, people running home. Shaq, people running home. Kobe,
[4:40] Speaker 2: people running home.
[4:41] Speaker 5: And then, of course, the greatest that's ever played, Michael Jordan.
[4:43] Speaker 2: People going running home to see him.
[4:46] Speaker 5: Or they're trying their best to get into the arena
[4:49] Speaker 5: to see that brother play.
[4:50] Speaker 3: That's a superstar who can go on the road.
[4:53] Speaker 5: And sell the building out.
[4:56] Speaker 1: Magic, also a superstar, can go on the road and
[4:58] Speaker 1: sell the building out.
[5:00] Speaker 3: Humility, brother. The mod is gold right there.
[5:02] Speaker 1: So do you agree with Magic on his definition of
[5:05] Speaker 1: what defines a superstar.
[5:07] Speaker 2: Norris, we'll start with you.
[5:08] Speaker 4: Absolutely. That's the first part of it. If you can't
[5:11] Speaker 4: sell arenas out, you can't be considered a superstar. If
[5:13] Speaker 4: you can't sell merch, you're not no superstar. Obviously, you've
[5:17] Speaker 4: got to have something that makes you that, but first
[5:20] Speaker 4: things first. Ain't nobody paying to show up and watch you.
[5:23] Speaker 4: You can't call yourself a superstar.
[5:25] Speaker 1: Swag, do you agree with Irving Magic Johnson's assessment or
[5:28] Speaker 1: would it?
[5:29] Speaker 3: For sure.
[5:29] Speaker 6: For a superstar, you're playing at home and the Kobe coming,
[5:35] Speaker 6: you see.
[5:35] Speaker 2: All Kobe jerseys.
[5:36] Speaker 6: You know, that's what defines superstar. You know, when you're
[5:40] Speaker 6: playing at home and it seems like you the away
[5:44] Speaker 6: team sometimes. So, yeah, I witnessed that being a Laker.
[5:49] Speaker 6: Just in general, the whole Lakers, no matter wherever they come,
[5:54] Speaker 6: I think just that name itself makes you.
[5:58] Speaker 4: Laker Nation.
[5:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, puts you up there.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Kobe's final season, what was that?
[6:02] Speaker 6: Oh, man, it was like rock star everywhere we went
[6:06] Speaker 6: is people waiting outside like long lines everybody fighting to
[6:10] Speaker 6: get his jersey because he'll give away his last little
[6:13] Speaker 6: shoes or armband jersey everything uh people trying to get
[6:19] Speaker 6: pictures autographs.
[6:20] Speaker 4: I got a pair of them shoes they came to
[6:23] Speaker 4: new orleans i think i need them.
[6:24] Speaker 6: After the game when kobe scored it when he beat
[6:27] Speaker 6: michael jordan wasn't that It wasn't at the Staples. It
[6:30] Speaker 6: was in Minnesota, and they stopped the game and called timeout.
[6:33] Speaker 6: Or it was Spurs at Minnesota. They called timeout, gave
[6:36] Speaker 6: them the ball. The crowd cheered like it was a
[6:39] Speaker 6: home game.
[6:39] Speaker 2: It was crazy.
[6:41] Speaker 1: Let's move to this side of the couch. Sonny, do
[6:44] Speaker 1: you agree with Magic Johnson's definition of what defines a superstar?
[6:47] Speaker 3: I do.
[6:49] Speaker 2: Well put. I mean, the only reference I really got
[6:53] Speaker 2: is Kobe.
[6:54] Speaker 7: We played Minnesota. Everybody showed up. he was scoring, they
[6:58] Speaker 7: was cheering. Didn't get it, didn't understand it, and then
[7:01] Speaker 7: I went to Sacramento and seen it triple the time.
[7:05] Speaker 2: Everybody in the crowd was Lakers jerseys. We were at home.
[7:10] Speaker 2: So that's when I was like, okay. In both of those,
[7:12] Speaker 2: I'd imagine Kobe jerseys, right? 100%.
[7:15] Speaker 1: Lakers fans obviously known to travel from building to building
[7:18] Speaker 1: on the road, but Kobe the main attraction.
[7:22] Speaker 7: Kobe come with Lakers, Lakers come with Kobe, so they
[7:24] Speaker 7: was cheering regardless, but when he's scoring, It was different.
[7:28] Speaker 7: It was like, we did not feel like it was
[7:30] Speaker 7: a home game.
[7:32] Speaker 2: For sure.
[7:33] Speaker 1: And just from that side of it, how does it
[7:34] Speaker 1: feel when you're at home? These are supposed to be
[7:36] Speaker 1: your fans, even in a place like Sacramento, which notoriously
[7:39] Speaker 1: hates the Lakers.
[7:41] Speaker 7: That was the weird part. You're in hostile territory. It
[7:45] Speaker 7: just gets that way. And it's a beautiful thing, you know?
[7:48] Speaker 7: You can see a superstar flourish. I seen a little
[7:50] Speaker 7: bit of flourish of it with LeBron at that time, too,
[7:53] Speaker 7: because he was just now getting into it.
[7:55] Speaker 2: I didn't get to see.
[7:55] Speaker 7: 2010, Brian, and all that. But you could see people
[8:00] Speaker 7: were showing up with that jersey on. He was giving
[8:03] Speaker 7: glimpses of all that.
[8:04] Speaker 1: And Steph, too. I forgot Steph. Steph's definitely on that level. So, Kane,
[8:09] Speaker 1: how about you? Do you agree with Magic's definition of
[8:12] Speaker 1: what a superstar is?
[8:13] Speaker 8: Yeah, he would know. If anybody would know, he would. So, yeah,
[8:19] Speaker 8: anybody that would disagree with him, like.
[8:24] Speaker 3: How.
[8:24] Speaker 8: Can you disagree with someone who played against these people
[8:28] Speaker 8: that he named that did the exact same thing when he, like,
[8:33] Speaker 8: it wasn't showtime before Magic showed up. So there was
[8:36] Speaker 8: no showtime like this. It went in, but it wasn't that.
[8:40] Speaker 1: Magic Larry helped save the league, helped really usher in
[8:44] Speaker 1: this new era.
[8:44] Speaker 8: Yeah, so he know what it looked like, man, being
[8:46] Speaker 8: one of the original guys with us. signature shoes, so
[8:50] Speaker 8: to speak, and having commercials and being the face.
[8:54] Speaker 1: He wouldn't know. Then Gil, last but not least. We
[8:58] Speaker 1: were having some issues with our smoke machine prior to
[9:00] Speaker 1: the show. I think we have corrected them. This one
[9:04] Speaker 1: is fine. This one's fine over here. The LeBron smoke
[9:09] Speaker 1: machine is fine, Bronny.
[9:10] Speaker 3: No, that's Bronny. Bronny's working.
[9:21] Speaker 1: That's all it takes alright but now let's shift ahead
[9:24] Speaker 1: there's been some talk obviously SGA MVP likely to be
[9:28] Speaker 1: finals MVP Halliburton really showing out this postseason most of
[9:32] Speaker 1: the time does anyone playing in the finals right now
[9:35] Speaker 1: fit the criteria of a superstar I.
[9:41] Speaker 4: Think SGA is emerging as one becoming as one I
[9:44] Speaker 4: don't think Holly is but SGA is emerging.
[9:46] Speaker 3: As one.
[9:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[9:50] Speaker 4: He the only one.
[9:51] Speaker 8: If he played in a bigger market, he would already
[9:52] Speaker 8: be there. Just the fact that he plays in Oklahoma City. Yeah.
[9:57] Speaker 8: But him winning MVP, him playing on the biggest stage
[9:59] Speaker 8: United is going to help that trend in the right direction. So, yeah,
[10:04] Speaker 8: to Norris' point, like, yeah, he is definitely on the
[10:07] Speaker 8: doorstep of it. Signature shoe, fashion, everything, and the way
[10:13] Speaker 8: he goes about his craft.
[10:14] Speaker 2: So, yeah.
[10:15] Speaker 1: But do we feel like SGA selling tickets right now? Obviously,
[10:18] Speaker 1: amazing player, doing a lot of amazing things. But are
[10:21] Speaker 1: you paying your hard-earned money?
[10:22] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
[10:23] Speaker 4: That's why I said he's emerging, but he ain't there yet.
[10:26] Speaker 8: He got everything, but... Because it's not flashy. Right, because
[10:31] Speaker 8: it's not... Those guys, like, you knew... Like, just take Steph,
[10:35] Speaker 8: for instance, right? On any given night, he can go
[10:38] Speaker 8: out there, motherfucker, and make 13 threes.
[10:40] Speaker 3: Right?
[10:41] Speaker 2: So it's like.
[10:43] Speaker 8: On the road, that's so... With Shea, it's just consistency, right?
[10:47] Speaker 3: Quiet.
[10:48] Speaker 2: It's quiet. It's not flash. He ain't dunking on nobody.
[10:50] Speaker 2: He ain't yelling. He ain't telling you about it in
[10:52] Speaker 2: the press conferences. You know what I'm saying? He ain't
[10:54] Speaker 2: talking shit. So it's... It's a little.
[10:57] Speaker 8: It's going to be a different approach to more like
[11:00] Speaker 8: a Tim Duncan.
[11:01] Speaker 9: Right?
[11:02] Speaker 3: Right. Quietly busting your ass, winning MVPs, winning championships.
[11:06] Speaker 2: Consistent. But it's going to be that approach. And would
[11:09] Speaker 2: you say Duncan's superstar?
[11:10] Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely.
[11:11] Speaker 2: Okay. I feel like personality kind of impacts that.
[11:15] Speaker 3: It does, but he is.
[11:16] Speaker 2: Like, you can't.
[11:18] Speaker 3: Whatever we want to say about him. His weird personality. Tim,
[11:20] Speaker 3: don't you come into town. Are you buying tickets? He
[11:22] Speaker 3: branded that weird personality.
[11:24] Speaker 8: Because he doesn't. He's not moving to need in that regard.
[11:26] Speaker 8: But if he's a quiet, he's a superstar, but it ain't.
[11:30] Speaker 8: It's on the lower end of it because of his personality.
[11:33] Speaker 1: So, Sean, I'll ask you first. SGA, do you feel
[11:35] Speaker 1: like he's emerging? He's on that path to becoming a
[11:37] Speaker 1: superstar in the NBA? Yeah.
[11:40] Speaker 7: I'll say yes, he is a superstar right now. I'll
[11:44] Speaker 7: say the reason why is because you look at what
[11:48] Speaker 7: metric magic is given is back in the day when
[11:51] Speaker 7: there was an internet. Even the metric I gave with code,
[11:55] Speaker 7: these are people that are coming to the stadium. We
[11:58] Speaker 7: don't have to go to the stadium no more. We
[12:01] Speaker 7: got four stadiums watching us live at some point during
[12:06] Speaker 7: our 80,000, 70,000, 60,000 people watching us live. So we
[12:11] Speaker 7: have stadiums that we're not filling. People are watching. So
[12:16] Speaker 7: the same thing with SGA. He got more people that
[12:19] Speaker 7: are showing up with him every single game that's not
[12:22] Speaker 7: at the game. That road game that we're talking about,
[12:25] Speaker 7: it ain't no road game no more because there's more
[12:28] Speaker 7: people watching on the outside. They're cheering for him when
[12:31] Speaker 7: he's playing. We just don't get to see him. That's
[12:34] Speaker 7: why his superstardom, how he's branded himself, fit superstar because
[12:40] Speaker 7: he's covering all the bases regardless of the old metric
[12:45] Speaker 7: regardless of the old metric the new metric he's setting
[12:48] Speaker 7: the standard now is costanet a superstar yeah but he's
[12:54] Speaker 7: not costanet but is costanet a superstar That's totally two
[12:58] Speaker 7: different things. No, it's not, because Castaneda's not filling up arenas.
[13:02] Speaker 3: He will.
[13:02] Speaker 2: He's not playing against nobody. He's not going on the road.
[13:05] Speaker 4: I understand, but what about the ones that's doing both, though?
[13:08] Speaker 4: Luka do both.
[13:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[13:09] Speaker 4: People paying to watch him on the internet, and they
[13:12] Speaker 4: showing up to the turnstiles.
[13:14] Speaker 2: He branded like SGA, though.
[13:16] Speaker 4: I'm just asking you, how do you compare other superstars?
[13:18] Speaker 2: Does he have a sponsorship with Skims?
[13:21] Speaker 3: That's kind of.
[13:22] Speaker 2: Luka.
[13:24] Speaker 4: I don't know all his.
[13:25] Speaker 3: Okay, so you got to be aware. You got to
[13:27] Speaker 3: be aware.
[13:27] Speaker 4: I know in Europe, all the sponsorships in Europe, Luka do.
[13:32] Speaker 3: Which ones?
[13:33] Speaker 4: Everywhere in Spain, he got.
[13:36] Speaker 3: We.
[13:36] Speaker 2: Know scams, though, right?
[13:38] Speaker 3: I'm not.
[13:38] Speaker 2: And you know Converse, right?
[13:40] Speaker 3: I know Europe.
[13:41] Speaker 2: And they just did AT & T, right? Him and
[13:43] Speaker 2: his teammates.
[13:44] Speaker 3: I'm not saying that.
[13:45] Speaker 2: He branded himself.
[13:47] Speaker 4: Nah, he's doing great, but I'm just comparing him to
[13:49] Speaker 4: other superstars.
[13:50] Speaker 2: Which one?
[13:51] Speaker 3: Superstar UNC, two small market teams playing.
[13:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. So let me read this list.
[13:55] Speaker 4: The numbers on this finals are not up. I know
[13:57] Speaker 4: if Luka and LeBron or Yonze was playing, the visual
[14:00] Speaker 4: numbers would be.
[14:01] Speaker 3: You can't say that. Yes, you can. We've been able
[14:04] Speaker 3: to compare the numbers. No, you can just look in
[14:06] Speaker 3: the past years. It's not exciting. It's too small. It's hypothetical.
[14:11] Speaker 3: There's data on that.
[14:13] Speaker 4: When Steph was in the finals versus SGA in the finals,
[14:15] Speaker 4: the data says.
[14:18] Speaker 3: What are the two teams? Who was on those teams? Superstars. Superstars, bro.
[14:23] Speaker 3: You said superstars. You're asking me, so I'm just comparing
[14:26] Speaker 3: the different superstars. You have more reason to watch, right? No.
[14:29] Speaker 2: Because we've got more people on here.
[14:30] Speaker 3: They've played in the finals before now. Yes, they have.
[14:34] Speaker 1: So NBA released a list of the top ten most
[14:36] Speaker 1: viewed players.
[14:38] Speaker 3: Who? Boston played Dallas. You're walking in quicksand out here, man.
[14:42] Speaker 1: So NBA released a list of the top ten most
[14:44] Speaker 1: viewed players this season. I'm going to read that list
[14:46] Speaker 1: for you. LeBron, number one, he had 3.23 billion views.
[14:49] Speaker 1: Steph Curry, number two, 2.56 billion views.
[14:51] Speaker 3: Luka, third, with 1.82. Wimby, fourth, 1.47.
[14:53] Speaker 2: Joker, fifth, 1.2.
[14:54] Speaker 3: Jha, sixth, 1.09.
[14:54] Speaker 1: SGA, seventh, 1.06. Giannis, eighth, 897 million. Anthony Edwards, ninth.
[14:58] Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, tenth. He top ten.
[15:09] Speaker 2: Okay.
[15:10] Speaker 3: Small market, top 10, 7, 10.
[15:13] Speaker 1: So there is a demand. This was for regular season, though.
[15:16] Speaker 1: This is what's not as well to play. I'm sure
[15:17] Speaker 1: that those numbers have now adjusted. I'm with it. I'm
[15:20] Speaker 1: sure they've increased now.
[15:21] Speaker 8: Whether they have or they haven't increased, whatever it is,
[15:24] Speaker 8: for you to be in the top.
[15:26] Speaker 2: 10, you're playing a superstar.
[15:28] Speaker 8: But still, in the market that he plays in, like
[15:31] Speaker 8: I said, he's trending in the right direction.
[15:33] Speaker 3: Didn't say he was. He's trending in the right direction.
[15:35] Speaker 3: He's emerging. He's trending in the right direction. He's emerging.
[15:39] Speaker 8: It's just starting, so being in the final signature shoe,
[15:44] Speaker 8: MVP helps.
[15:45] Speaker 3: For next year. For next year, yeah.
[15:46] Speaker 9: He'll be a legitimate superstar. Yeah, so now he's trending absolutely.
[15:51] Speaker 9: He'll be the only person that does what he's about
[15:53] Speaker 9: to do. Next year, the rollout of superstardom face of
[15:56] Speaker 9: the NBA will be.
[15:58] Speaker 1: So let's talk about this very moment right now and
[16:00] Speaker 1: using Magic Johnson's definition. How many legit superstars are there
[16:04] Speaker 1: in the NBA and WNBA right now?
[16:05] Speaker 2: Three.
[16:06] Speaker 3: Three. That are selling out.
[16:09] Speaker 2: NBAW.
[16:10] Speaker 3: Curry, LeBron.
[16:10] Speaker 2: Well, four.
[16:11] Speaker 3: I mean, two play on the same team.
[16:12] Speaker 9: But Curry, LeBron, and Kaitlin Clark are the basketball superstars
[16:18] Speaker 9: right now.
[16:19] Speaker 4: I'll give a little bit more.
[16:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give a little bit more. Huh?
[16:22] Speaker 2: That are selling out arenas. When you go on the road.
[16:25] Speaker 4: Well, Luka and LeBron are on the same team.
[16:27] Speaker 3: That's what I said. Those two are on the same team.
[16:29] Speaker 3: That's what I said. It's three.
[16:31] Speaker 9: But two plays on the same team. So you just
[16:33] Speaker 9: go with the higher one. when Steph goes on the road,
[16:36] Speaker 9: like the definition of... What's funny is I've said this
[16:38] Speaker 9: for two years and y'all all fought me against it,
[16:41] Speaker 9: but now magic says it and then it makes sense.
[16:43] Speaker 9: But yeah, when you go on the road, it's not
[16:45] Speaker 9: about your record, it's not about your team, it's about.
[16:47] Speaker 3: Who you are.
[16:48] Speaker 9: You can be 0-12 if Allen Iverson came to the city.
[16:52] Speaker 2: Sold out. 100%.
[16:53] Speaker 3: Michael Jordan with the Wizards, sold out. See? It was exciting.
[16:59] Speaker 3: God don't like you. God don't like you, motherfucker. No,
[17:04] Speaker 3: he's right. Sold out. Chuck come to town, sold out.
[17:07] Speaker 9: So the definition of a superstar has nothing to do
[17:09] Speaker 9: with your team's success.
[17:10] Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a real story.
[17:11] Speaker 3: Your team, they don't give a fuck about no 70 wins.
[17:14] Speaker 3: That's your team.
[17:15] Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a real story.
[17:16] Speaker 3: Superstar is you. Real story.
[17:19] Speaker 8: Michael Jordan, first time coming. Listen, we kicking ass and
[17:22] Speaker 8: taking names with the Nets. Michael Jordan come back, we
[17:25] Speaker 8: coming in, but we hadn't had a sellout yet. In
[17:28] Speaker 8: two years, we whooping ass out there. Finals, final, whooping ass.
[17:32] Speaker 8: Michael Jordan come there, we got our first sellout.
[17:36] Speaker 3: With the Wizards.
[17:38] Speaker 2: Guess what?
[17:39] Speaker 8: We put 74 on that head in the first half,
[17:41] Speaker 8: and motherfucker came out that.
[17:42] Speaker 3: Bitch with ice on the second half. Ran his ass
[17:45] Speaker 3: out the building.
[17:46] Speaker 6: I couldn't wait to say that.
[17:51] Speaker 2: I know, right?
[17:52] Speaker 9: No, but this point is, no matter the record, no
[17:55] Speaker 9: matter your record.
[17:57] Speaker 3: So you don't consider like Jason Tatum? Not yet. I
[18:00] Speaker 3: believe that people come to see Boston, but.
[18:02] Speaker 9: They wouldn't come to see Cleveland. They're coming to see Boston. See,
[18:06] Speaker 9: the superstar right now is, right now there's only two
[18:09] Speaker 9: or three. There's a bunch of them trending. They're going
[18:12] Speaker 9: to be the new. That's SGA. That's John Morant. That's Luka.
[18:17] Speaker 9: They're in the next realm of.
[18:20] Speaker 2: Going to be superstars.
[18:22] Speaker 3: Yes. And it's tough.
[18:24] Speaker 8: People show up to watch Kai too.
[18:27] Speaker 4: People come to watch Kai, bro.
[18:30] Speaker 3: And to your point as well, it's such hype now. Right?
[18:35] Speaker 3: It's so much hype because of the internet and media
[18:40] Speaker 3: and the way shit is. People putting shit in the
[18:43] Speaker 3: microwave now.
[18:43] Speaker 8: So it's yes to your point that you absolutely, but.
[18:52] Speaker 4: Nah, he said Luka, LeBron, Steph, and Kaitlyn Cart.
[18:56] Speaker 3: But it's just so much hype behind the Jason Tatums and.
[19:00] Speaker 9: All these other people, right? It's just so much hype
[19:02] Speaker 9: behind them. They get so much buzz and so much attention.
[19:05] Speaker 9: But they win, lose, or whatever happens, it puts them...
[19:10] Speaker 9: The constant conversation makes people think different, right?
[19:17] Speaker 2: I know that.
[19:18] Speaker 8: It makes people think different because of the constant... No
[19:22] Speaker 8: matter if it's a day old, two days old, three
[19:25] Speaker 8: days old, whatever it is, you open your phone up
[19:27] Speaker 8: if you ain't been on Instagram and whatever it is,
[19:30] Speaker 8: that's what's going to be on you.
[19:31] Speaker 3: You'll be like, damn, damn, damn.
[19:33] Speaker 2: It's always that.
[19:33] Speaker 8: It seems like they're always being mentioned because of people
[19:37] Speaker 8: putting shit in the microwave.
[19:38] Speaker 3: Because I don't have to go to the game to
[19:40] Speaker 3: connect with the superstar.
[19:42] Speaker 4: How many superstars you got?
[19:43] Speaker 3: I got a question for you.
[19:45] Speaker 2: I know you're a big Kalen Clark fan.
[19:47] Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that Kalen Clark is the
[19:48] Speaker 1: biggest superstar in basketball?
[19:50] Speaker 2: Right now, based on Magic Johnson's metric? She would be
[19:53] Speaker 2: the only.
[19:54] Speaker 4: In the W.
[19:55] Speaker 2: No, in these. Across basketball.
[19:58] Speaker 3: Sports. Sports.
[20:00] Speaker 2: Shador might be the next.
[20:03] Speaker 4: I was about to say that.
[20:04] Speaker 7: Like, after Caitlyn, if he performs in Cleveland, people will
[20:09] Speaker 7: go to Cleveland.
[20:10] Speaker 2: And watch him.
[20:11] Speaker 3: You don't have to perform, right? So, like, if he
[20:14] Speaker 3: does his thing, like, expect it.
[20:16] Speaker 2: It adds to it. It adds to it.
[20:18] Speaker 4: You're not saying Caleb Biggie and Steph and LeBron, though.
[20:20] Speaker 3: Are you?
[20:21] Speaker 2: I'm saying right now, they can't do what she's doing.
[20:23] Speaker 3: Famous and superstar. Caleb moved to New York. She does,
[20:27] Speaker 3: but them dudes on their way out. Then you have
[20:29] Speaker 3: to build it.
[20:31] Speaker 7: That's good, but I'm talking about her.
[20:33] Speaker 3: Make it here. Move the needle wherever she goes.
[20:36] Speaker 2: Magic's definition is selling out arenas.
[20:38] Speaker 4: For a W, she's unmatched.
[20:40] Speaker 3: Maybe in the history of the W.
[20:43] Speaker 2: He's famous.
[20:43] Speaker 3: It's the same, bro.
[20:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, Kalen is unmatched in the W, in the history.
[20:47] Speaker 3: He's unmatched. It isn't being famous and a superstar like that.
[20:50] Speaker 2: No, that's the same. It's two separate things.
[20:51] Speaker 3: No, because you got to have the hoop to go
[20:52] Speaker 3: with it. It's two separate things. You don't have the hoop.
[20:54] Speaker 2: It is the same in a sense because if you're
[20:57] Speaker 2: filling the arena and they want to see who you
[20:59] Speaker 2: are and what the hype is about, that's the reason
[21:01] Speaker 2: it's the hype. I'm the best man ever. But Sean,
[21:04] Speaker 2: for my question, I'm a superstar then.
[21:07] Speaker 3: Back on the Kalen Clark. No, you're famous.
[21:09] Speaker 2: You're famous.
[21:10] Speaker 3: What's the difference?
[21:11] Speaker 9: They're coming to see you.
[21:16] Speaker 2: Famous is when you go places. You go anywhere, right?
[21:19] Speaker 3: Wherever you go, you walk in the streets, no matter
[21:21] Speaker 3: where you are. Oh, fuck, that's Nick. Nick, Nick, Nick. Nick, Nick, Nick.
[21:25] Speaker 9: Cool.
[21:28] Speaker 3: But I'm saying.
[21:29] Speaker 2: Nigga, we ghetto fans.
[21:30] Speaker 3: Superstardom, you almost need security.
[21:33] Speaker 2: We ghetto superstars, right? Everybody in the hoods and everybody
[21:36] Speaker 2: know us, right?
[21:37] Speaker 3: People love me. We ghetto superstars, right?
[21:41] Speaker 2: But I'm saying.
[21:41] Speaker 3: You know how like Barney couldn't go on the road
[21:43] Speaker 3: because they didn't have security for him?
[21:46] Speaker 9: And then every road trip he went to, it sold
[21:48] Speaker 9: out and his jersey sold out. That's a superstar.
[21:51] Speaker 3: But Sador Sanders, they made fake jerseys because they thought
[21:54] Speaker 3: he was going to wear number two. Superstar, I know
[21:57] Speaker 3: it doesn't have nothing to do with what I got
[22:00] Speaker 3: me to they don't have nothing to do with your
[22:01] Speaker 3: performance yet when you become make a start that's performance
[22:05] Speaker 3: and that you you are matching the hype so Once
[22:11] Speaker 3: you match up, but there's superstars that haven't Like Johnny
[22:15] Speaker 3: Manziel Johnny superstar.
[22:17] Speaker 2: He came in with a superstar. So good. Would you
[22:18] Speaker 2: say that Kalen Clark is a megastar?
[22:20] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. I Absolutely. And it's not an apples to
[22:23] Speaker 3: apples comparison.
[22:25] Speaker 1: When you're switching venues, when you're switching venues and selling
[22:30] Speaker 1: out the venue that you switched to.
[22:31] Speaker 3: There's few megas.
[22:33] Speaker 2: She's a mega. We went to the game.
[22:34] Speaker 7: That's my point. We went to the game and we
[22:37] Speaker 7: watched her team go in the locker room. She walked
[22:41] Speaker 7: back to the half court line. Thousands of people.
[22:44] Speaker 3: Not at home in L.A. and did this. She's a
[22:47] Speaker 3: mega star.
[22:48] Speaker 9: She's above everybody. She's like Michael Jackson. She's a superstar.
[22:51] Speaker 9: Performance helps you get into the mega star. She's Michael
[22:53] Speaker 9: Jordan of.
[23:04] Speaker 10: This type of woods type of woods type of woods
[23:07] Speaker 10: in it that famous like LeBron James came in as
[23:09] Speaker 10: a superstar touched Megastar yeah for sure Curry came in
[23:13] Speaker 10: as a regular ass star.
[23:14] Speaker 9: No turned turned to superstar then went to Megastar.
[23:18] Speaker 4: Yeah now you right 100%.
[23:22] Speaker 3: That's where Shea is. Shea came in as really nobody.
[23:25] Speaker 3: He turned into a superstar. Kirby came in as somebody.
[23:27] Speaker 3: He didn't come in with a superstar title. He didn't
[23:29] Speaker 3: have a superstar title. He didn't have no superstar title.
[23:32] Speaker 3: He wasn't a bum, though. He had hype, though. He
[23:34] Speaker 3: had hype. He had star hype. He had star hype.
[23:35] Speaker 2: Like Zion.
[23:36] Speaker 3: Superstar hype. Okay. No, no, no. He didn't have superstar hype.
[23:47] Speaker 3: Ja didn't. Ja had star hype. He was in Murray State.
[23:50] Speaker 7: But he wasn't on everybody's radar when he first came
[23:53] Speaker 7: to the league.
[23:53] Speaker 2: It was the college team that he was on. His
[23:55] Speaker 2: talent was what it was. But it became that during this.
[24:07] Speaker 9: If he starts winning and stuff like that, he's going
[24:09] Speaker 9: to jump into Megastar.
[24:11] Speaker 3: He's already.
[24:13] Speaker 3: He's already superstar. He jumps into winning Megastar.
[24:15] Speaker 4: His jersey sales are crazy.
[24:17] Speaker 2: Anyway, got to get out of there. So, bring to
[24:18] Speaker 2: my next question for y'all.
[24:19] Speaker 1: If you owned an NBA team, would you rather have
[24:22] Speaker 1: a great team with no superstar or a good team
[24:24] Speaker 1: with a superstar?
[24:27] Speaker 3: You said good team.
[24:28] Speaker 6: What's a good team?
[24:31] Speaker 3: Indiana?
[24:32] Speaker 2: Great team, championship level, competing for finals. No superstar? No superstar.
[24:37] Speaker 3: Indiana, right?
[24:38] Speaker 1: You can use Indiana as a comp.
[24:40] Speaker 4: I feel like Tyrese.
[24:42] Speaker 3: What city am I in?
[24:42] Speaker 4: I'm about to say the city matters.
[24:44] Speaker 3: The city matters.
[24:45] Speaker 4: If I'm in a great city, I don't need a superstar.
[24:47] Speaker 4: But if I'm in an okay city, I need the superstar.
[24:51] Speaker 4: If you in New York or whatever, you don't necessarily
[24:53] Speaker 4: have to be superstar. I need Vince Carter.
[24:55] Speaker 3: I need a motherfucker jumping over people. You just need
[24:57] Speaker 3: a fan favorite in New York.
[24:58] Speaker 2: If you're on.
[24:59] Speaker 3: The team, great team, but no true superstar.
[25:01] Speaker 2: What city?
[25:08] Speaker 3: Good team. I'll let you.
[25:09] Speaker 2: I'll let you. Middle of the road.
[25:12] Speaker 3: Clippers? Yeah, just give me five motherfuckers out there. Just
[25:17] Speaker 3: give me five.
[25:17] Speaker 2: They're going to go sell themselves.
[25:19] Speaker 3: New York? Sell themselves. Open the door?
[25:21] Speaker 2: Two million.
[25:22] Speaker 3: Just get a nigga that can dunk. What? Some flair.
[25:25] Speaker 2: No, dead ass.
[25:26] Speaker 3: Some flair.
[25:26] Speaker 2: Just open the door.
[25:27] Speaker 3: Two million.
[25:28] Speaker 2: One of these motherfuckers.
[25:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, a little flair.
[25:31] Speaker 9: But if I'm starting off my franchise, I want a superstar.
[25:37] Speaker 9: I want someone that's going to put people in the seats.
[25:39] Speaker 9: That's basically my point. You got to get off the porch.
[25:43] Speaker 1: And I care about winning, but also like, ooh, I'm
[25:46] Speaker 1: kind of seeing it with Memphis now.
[25:47] Speaker 3: There's one thing.
[25:48] Speaker 9: A winning team, which means you got to spend money
[25:51] Speaker 9: and you got to develop, sells the building, right? Consistency
[25:55] Speaker 9: of winning sells the building. A superstar alone sells the building.
[26:00] Speaker 9: Regardless of rent. That's basically the point I was getting at.
[26:02] Speaker 9: Vince Carter, young Vince Carter coming in and doing what
[26:04] Speaker 9: he's doing, that's selling the building.
[26:07] Speaker 3: Unless you're the next. Unless you're the next.
[26:11] Speaker 2: That's crazy, right? So let's keep this thing moving.
[26:16] Speaker 1: Magic considered by many to be the greatest point guard
[26:18] Speaker 1: of all time, second greatest Laker ever, leading the purple
[26:21] Speaker 1: and gold to five chips, nine finals appearances in his
[26:23] Speaker 1: 13 seasons with the franchise. So during his first take appearance,
[26:26] Speaker 1: Magic called out Luka, for his conditioning issues last season?
[26:30] Speaker 5: You know, the Lakers, man, Luka got to understand this
[26:36] Speaker 5: is not Dallas. To your point, Kobe, bless his soul.
[26:43] Speaker 2: Yes.
[26:45] Speaker 5: Superstar who led us, Shaq led us to the championship.
[26:48] Speaker 3: LeBron, leadership.
[26:50] Speaker 2: That's right.
[26:51] Speaker 3: And that's what's missing here.
[26:55] Speaker 5: And so we shouldn't have to tell you to be
[26:58] Speaker 5: in shape. That should have been, you should have been
[27:01] Speaker 5: about that, right? Especially you're a superstar.
[27:06] Speaker 2: So this is a recent video of Luca. Putting Jim.
[27:12] Speaker 2: So he's working on his body.
[27:13] Speaker 3: That's a contradiction. Yes.
[27:15] Speaker 2: But Luke.
[27:15] Speaker 3: You say it ain't Dallas. You know what I mean?
[27:18] Speaker 2: So that brings me to my question.
[27:19] Speaker 1: So by looking at recent photos and videos of Luke,
[27:21] Speaker 1: it appears he's up to the challenge of getting his
[27:23] Speaker 1: body right, taking on the challenge of leading.
[27:25] Speaker 3: Is he naked?
[27:26] Speaker 2: No, he's totally close. Hitting 720 on the squats.
[27:28] Speaker 4: Let me just tell you right now, that ain't what
[27:30] Speaker 4: we talking about.
[27:31] Speaker 2: Good for him.
[27:32] Speaker 4: That helped, but we need to see him run and
[27:33] Speaker 4: get in that car.
[27:34] Speaker 2: Good for him then. That brings me.
[27:36] Speaker 1: Here's Luka in the gym. And then here's a recent
[27:39] Speaker 1: photo of Luka appearing to be a fresh off an
[27:42] Speaker 1: ozentic bike.
[27:43] Speaker 2: Looking more slender than you.
[27:45] Speaker 3: I came out here and got that potter. This is L.A.
[27:49] Speaker 3: You get the good, good here. Dallas just stepped on them.
[27:54] Speaker 2: The nine stepped on them.
[27:56] Speaker 3: Luka used to be in the face of a franchise.
[27:58] Speaker 1: He's done so during his time with Real Madrid when
[27:59] Speaker 1: he became the youngest EuroLeague MVP at 19 years old.
[28:02] Speaker 1: Also with the Mavs where he was a five-time first-team
[28:04] Speaker 1: All-NBA selection. But there's far more scrutiny with being the
[28:07] Speaker 1: face of the Lakers compared to being the face of
[28:09] Speaker 1: those other teams. So as Luka built for being the
[28:12] Speaker 1: face of the Lakers and the good and the bad
[28:14] Speaker 1: that comes with that?
[28:17] Speaker 3: Sure.
[28:18] Speaker 9: Yeah, I think, you know, Magic said it. This is
[28:22] Speaker 9: not Dallas, right? And I think when Luka got here,
[28:27] Speaker 9: he kind of understood this was a different beast. And,
[28:31] Speaker 9: you know, as you can see, he's losing weight, showing
[28:34] Speaker 9: people that he's losing weight. And I think being around,
[28:37] Speaker 9: you know, LeBron, who's been– apex of conditioning and being
[28:42] Speaker 9: a professional. For the first time in Luka's career, he's
[28:46] Speaker 9: been with someone who's in another door that his talent
[28:52] Speaker 9: says he should be in.
[28:54] Speaker 3: A lot of us don't get.
[28:57] Speaker 9: That pleasure to be with a guy who's up there.
[29:02] Speaker 9: If LeBron James is helping him think about what's important, body, conditioning,
[29:09] Speaker 9: eating habits, nightlife. I think he will be ready for
[29:14] Speaker 9: the task, but it's new for him, so he has
[29:16] Speaker 9: to learn how to be an L.A.
[29:19] Speaker 4: Superstar.
[29:19] Speaker 3: He was a Dallas superstar. That's my point.
[29:21] Speaker 2: Now you're an L.A.
[29:21] Speaker 3: Superstar.
[29:22] Speaker 2: That's a very different beast. So Lakers fans gave him
[29:24] Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt.
[29:24] Speaker 1: I feel like this season finished third in the West,
[29:26] Speaker 1: obviously getting knocked out in the first round. There were
[29:27] Speaker 1: some issues and complaints about his conditioning defense in that
[29:31] Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs.
[29:32] Speaker 2: But now this is a full season. Fucking head coach fault.
[29:35] Speaker 3: See? Letting me know somebody else but the pot. my man.
[29:41] Speaker 8: But I'm a credit to head coach. He can learn
[29:44] Speaker 8: a lot from J.J.
[29:44] Speaker 3: J.J. was a mover. He was in peak shape when
[29:50] Speaker 3: he played. You played with him? No. Oh.
[29:51] Speaker 8: No, I'm just, no. I was in Orlando. So, yeah,
[29:54] Speaker 8: I just watched him play. Motherfucker, moving around, you can
[29:56] Speaker 8: tell what type of shape he was in from running around, right?
[29:59] Speaker 8: So you can just tell. He can learn a lot
[30:00] Speaker 8: from him. And JJ's a straight shooter. JJ's going to
[30:05] Speaker 8: tell him exactly what it is. He's not going to
[30:07] Speaker 8: sugarcoat it with him. So that's having that learning tool
[30:10] Speaker 8: in LeBron, that visual learning person, whatever you want to
[30:16] Speaker 8: call LeBron, in his life. that tutor, whatever you want
[30:20] Speaker 8: to call it, right? He can learn a lot from him,
[30:22] Speaker 8: but you got a guy that's holding you accountable and
[30:24] Speaker 8: your head coach, I think it's going to.
[30:26] Speaker 3: Go a long way for him.
[30:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, my bad. So, Sean, let me ask you this.
[30:30] Speaker 2: The honeymoon period is over, right?
[30:31] Speaker 1: We know Lakers fans, they have a very high standard
[30:34] Speaker 1: from Magic, Shaq, Kobe, on through people that brought championships
[30:38] Speaker 1: in this franchise. They were calling Westbrook Westbrook during his
[30:42] Speaker 1: time with the team, so they don't.
[30:44] Speaker 2: Hold any punches. They're down to come at anybody.
[30:46] Speaker 1: We've seen Luka in the past get into it at
[30:48] Speaker 1: Mavs games with fans, questioning his weight, questioning his condition.
[30:52] Speaker 1: Seem to be a little sensitive at times, but do
[30:54] Speaker 1: you think that Luka is built to handle the pressure
[30:55] Speaker 1: that comes with being the face of the Lakers franchise?
[31:01] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[31:05] Speaker 7: I don't think the other superstar could handle what it meant,
[31:10] Speaker 7: what it took. Lakers ain't really felt what the championship
[31:15] Speaker 7: spirit felt like 15 years. Now, y'all can say the
[31:20] Speaker 7: bubble this, bubble that, but the fans didn't get to
[31:22] Speaker 7: experience that. And that's the biggest thing about championship, whether
[31:26] Speaker 7: they count or not, because the fans.
[31:27] Speaker 2: Get that memory.
[31:28] Speaker 7: There's babies made, families come together, we go to the parade,
[31:32] Speaker 7: we was at the game, we took the pictures on
[31:34] Speaker 7: the court, confetti and all that, so they're missing that energy.
[31:38] Speaker 3: And ain't nobody stepped into that role to deliver that.
[31:41] Speaker 7: So it's hard to come in and say he's built
[31:44] Speaker 7: for that when he came in out of shape and
[31:47] Speaker 7: that was the thing I said that was in Dallas
[31:50] Speaker 7: which is why they a part of the reason why
[31:52] Speaker 7: they like yo.
[31:54] Speaker 2: We shouldn't have to tell you this what he's saying.
[31:58] Speaker 1: And however people feel about that bubble reading, there was
[32:00] Speaker 1: no Perez.
[32:02] Speaker 7: It's okay to learn. It's okay to get spanked, too.
[32:05] Speaker 7: Usually you learn after you get your ass whooped, right?
[32:08] Speaker 3: To his point, but to his crit. When did he
[32:11] Speaker 3: get his ass spanked? To his defense, right?
[32:14] Speaker 4: I said he performed enough. He got his team to
[32:16] Speaker 4: the finals. So for him to listen to being out
[32:18] Speaker 4: of shape, he's like, I just got my team to
[32:19] Speaker 4: the finals averaging 34, 8, and 8. Like, what are
[32:22] Speaker 4: we talking about?
[32:22] Speaker 3: So for him, he had to experience it.
[32:25] Speaker 11: He has to see someone else that's better than him.
[32:28] Speaker 3: He ain't seen nobody.
[32:29] Speaker 4: He's saying, I'm out of shape, but I'm cooking everybody.
[32:31] Speaker 11: So he had to see LeBron and be like, oh,
[32:34] Speaker 11: he's in a pantheon that I'm not in.
[32:36] Speaker 4: You know what? I can yield to that. Because when
[32:39] Speaker 4: he was there, he adjusted to the pressure of EuroLeague.
[32:42] Speaker 4: That's the highest pressure you can get in Europe. He
[32:44] Speaker 4: adjusted to that and won. He came to Dallas... Whether
[32:48] Speaker 4: we like it or not, they were saying he was
[32:49] Speaker 4: out of shape. He cooking everything walking. So he was like, man,
[32:52] Speaker 4: y'all saying I'm out of shape, but I'm playing all
[32:53] Speaker 4: the minutes and I'm cooking. So he ain't had nobody
[32:56] Speaker 4: to really hold him accountable, really.
[32:58] Speaker 2: Hold yourself accountable. You don't know.
[33:01] Speaker 3: I mean, he's 34-8-8. Most people was, like, loving that.
[33:04] Speaker 4: Most people would love to be able to do that
[33:06] Speaker 4: and be out of shape, quote-unquote, out of shape. This
[33:09] Speaker 4: is the first time, and he's like, okay, I ain't
[33:12] Speaker 4: good enough just on face value. LeBron is a megastar.
[33:15] Speaker 6: L.A.
[33:16] Speaker 4: Has seen people better than me. You look up there,
[33:18] Speaker 4: you see Shaq, Magic, you know, you see all the pantheons.
[33:21] Speaker 4: He's like, okay, okay, I'm not it. I'm not the
[33:25] Speaker 4: creme de la creme. So now he can, like, work
[33:27] Speaker 4: on that.
[33:27] Speaker 6: I think it hurt running into Anthony Edwards in that
[33:31] Speaker 6: first round. I think that helped him more than anything.
[33:34] Speaker 6: He could say... And it's okay to say... To get
[33:38] Speaker 6: help from LeBron, everybody's saying his name. And that's okay
[33:42] Speaker 6: to learn from somebody that has did it at the
[33:45] Speaker 6: top of the line.
[33:46] Speaker 3: But I see to get killed by your.
[33:48] Speaker 6: Peers like that in the first round and to see
[33:51] Speaker 6: how he looked out there compared to how you looked, I.
[33:55] Speaker 3: Think that helps too.
[33:57] Speaker 2: How he looked?
[33:58] Speaker 3: Ant-Man looked like shit. You're supposed to be better than
[34:03] Speaker 3: Ant-Man at this point.
[34:06] Speaker 4: He's been better than any man every year he's been
[34:07] Speaker 4: in the NBA.
[34:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, he is. He's been better than any man. He
[34:10] Speaker 3: still is. He still is?
[34:11] Speaker 2: He absolutely is still better than any man.
[34:13] Speaker 3: But not to me. I mean, not to him. Just
[34:15] Speaker 3: because his team, just because his team, not his team, now,
[34:18] Speaker 3: Luka Doncic is still a better basketball player than Anthony.
[34:20] Speaker 3: His team was three. You're using team as him? I'm not.
[34:23] Speaker 2: I'm using him. I'm about to say, yeah, he got three.
[34:26] Speaker 3: You have his 37 and six.
[34:27] Speaker 9: Anthony has a long way to go, bro. But just
[34:30] Speaker 9: like anything, we all, I came into the NBA. What
[34:34] Speaker 9: we see is what we see, right?
[34:37] Speaker 3: We don't know.
[34:38] Speaker 4: What's out there.
[34:38] Speaker 3: What's out there, right?
[34:39] Speaker 9: You hear stories of people doing other things for the
[34:43] Speaker 9: most part, yeah, yeah, whatever, right? Until you're in a
[34:46] Speaker 9: locker room with a dude or you see it with
[34:48] Speaker 9: your eyes, you don't know it, right? I'm pretty sure
[34:54] Speaker 9: these boxers actually sit down with Floyd and say, tell
[34:57] Speaker 9: me everything you've done. He's going to tell them shit
[35:00] Speaker 9: that they've never heard or never seen before. That's when
[35:03] Speaker 9: they jump into that next door. So we saying Lucas
[35:06] Speaker 9: should know how to get in shape.
[35:08] Speaker 3: How? Who's taught him?
[35:10] Speaker 9: Have they taught him how to be in shape? Kyrie
[35:14] Speaker 9: don't work out. Kyrie get in his shape. Does he
[35:16] Speaker 9: know how to get in Steph's shape? Only way you
[35:17] Speaker 9: know how to get in Steph's shape is to go
[35:18] Speaker 9: work with Steph. That's a difference.
[35:20] Speaker 4: Unless you see it with your own eyes.
[35:21] Speaker 3: Unless you see it with your eyes and doing it
[35:23] Speaker 3: with your eyes.
[35:23] Speaker 2: He has spent some time working out with Steph, though.
[35:25] Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. The only way you know
[35:27] Speaker 3: it is if you see it.
[35:28] Speaker 9: Like, everybody, we heard about the Breakfast Club, but there
[35:32] Speaker 9: was only two, three people invited to that.
[35:33] Speaker 4: Man, we heard about Ray Allen's shape. I didn't know
[35:35] Speaker 4: until he came to play in Miami. That type of
[35:37] Speaker 4: shape Ray Allen was in.
[35:39] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Different.
[35:40] Speaker 2: What is Ray Allen's shape, Norris?
[35:42] Speaker 4: Ray Allen's shape is like Steph Curry's shape, bro.
[35:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[35:45] Speaker 2: You know?
[35:46] Speaker 4: Except he can dunk more.
[35:47] Speaker 8: He's built on that. His game is built on that.
[35:49] Speaker 8: He got to be able to move, man. When you
[35:50] Speaker 8: don't understand somebody, the kind of shape somebody is in.
[35:53] Speaker 8: When we was with the Knicks, right? We all did
[35:58] Speaker 8: our shit. Fucking Pablo Prigioni.
[36:00] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[36:01] Speaker 3: Bruh.
[36:02] Speaker 2: Italian.
[36:03] Speaker 8: A different level of cardio, right? We then did all
[36:07] Speaker 8: this shit at practice. We then ran training camp, all
[36:09] Speaker 8: that shit. He, like, finishing practice every day with a
[36:13] Speaker 8: three-minute run.
[36:14] Speaker 2: I outlast you.
[36:16] Speaker 8: Every practice, no matter what we did, no matter what,
[36:18] Speaker 8: he finished practice with a three-minute run. So it's that
[36:21] Speaker 8: kind of people who you were speaking of, that kind
[36:22] Speaker 8: of shape. And when we looking at him like.
[36:25] Speaker 3: What are you doing?
[36:26] Speaker 2: He started looking at him like that.
[36:27] Speaker 4: Go do a bike marathon after practice. Go ride, do
[36:29] Speaker 4: a half a marathon just to ride his bike after practice.
[36:32] Speaker 4: And then go play 18 holes of golf and come
[36:33] Speaker 4: back the next day ready to practice. I'd be like, Ray,
[36:36] Speaker 4: that's out of body, bro. Even LeBron look at Ray
[36:39] Speaker 4: and be like, Ray, come on. Like, Ray, come on.
[36:43] Speaker 3: Okay.
[36:44] Speaker 4: But you don't know until you know.
[36:45] Speaker 6: He blaming his game on not being.
[36:49] Speaker 3: In shape next year. That's why they lost. Who? Who?
[36:52] Speaker 3: That's why Lakers lost? No, y'all.
[36:55] Speaker 9: Minnesota team was better. Minnesota team was better.
[36:59] Speaker 3: Why are you doing this? We all were.
[37:02] Speaker 9: We were saying that there's another level of.
[37:06] Speaker 3: Getting in shape. Oh, they were just better? Minnesota was
[37:09] Speaker 3: a better team than Lakers. But he was in shape, though.
[37:11] Speaker 2: Nigga, Rudy Gobert had 24.27.
[37:12] Speaker 3: Whatever he was against y'all. Y'all, boy, stop. What makes
[37:17] Speaker 3: Luka better than him, man?
[37:18] Speaker 2: He's a better basketball player.
[37:19] Speaker 3: He is. Overall, he's an overall better basketball player than
[37:22] Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards. Man, he's crazy as hell. Who? He limited.
[37:27] Speaker 3: Who limited? Anthony Edwards. Man, stop. We just watching the playoffs.
[37:30] Speaker 3: All right, so now we're being disrespectful. No, I'm not.
[37:32] Speaker 3: Did we just watch the playoffs? I'm not taking anything
[37:34] Speaker 3: off his plate. He's a very good basketball player. He's
[37:36] Speaker 3: trending up. Absolutely. I'll be more excited.
[37:40] Speaker 2: Ant-Man was doubled every time he touched.
[37:41] Speaker 3: The ball, bro. Every superstar gets doubled every time he
[37:43] Speaker 3: touches the ball.
[37:44] Speaker 2: He didn't know what to do.
[37:45] Speaker 11: Man, we saw Luka get guarded by Kawhi Leonard, Paul George,
[37:49] Speaker 11: Pat Bev, the Morris twins, all of them.
[37:52] Speaker 3: They never doubled Luka. Ant-Man is dead, too. They did.
[37:57] Speaker 3: I saw LeBron James again.
[37:58] Speaker 2: Right up in threes.
[38:01] Speaker 9: The fact that you say someone's out of shape in
[38:05] Speaker 9: all of this and he averaged 30, it should let
[38:07] Speaker 9: you know how good he is.
[38:08] Speaker 2: Yes.
[38:09] Speaker 9: We're not saying he averaged 21 or 15.
[38:11] Speaker 3: The nigga averaged 12. I don't know.
[38:13] Speaker 7: 37 and 6 and you're calling him out of shape.
[38:16] Speaker 3: We never said he wasn't good. When he gets in shape,
[38:19] Speaker 3: what would he be? He's not totally out of shape.
[38:22] Speaker 3: When we said Embiid was out of shape, we said
[38:24] Speaker 3: Embiid needs to get in shape.
[38:25] Speaker 2: And then if he does, we know what.
[38:27] Speaker 3: He's going to look like. And then when he got
[38:29] Speaker 3: in a little bit of better shape.
[38:30] Speaker 2: 30-fold. We said the same thing with Zion.
[38:33] Speaker 3: 30-fold.
[38:34] Speaker 4: Let's not say he's out of shape.
[38:35] Speaker 3: Let's say he can be in better shape. He can
[38:36] Speaker 3: be in better shape.
[38:37] Speaker 4: You can't average 30, 34 points a game and not
[38:39] Speaker 4: be in shape.
[38:39] Speaker 2: He can be in better shape. His body, listen, the look,
[38:42] Speaker 2: our test.
[38:42] Speaker 3: Did you watch it? Yeah, of course. Was he out
[38:45] Speaker 3: of shape? He didn't look great.
[38:47] Speaker 2: You disagree.
[38:48] Speaker 3: He didn't look great out there. He didn't look great
[38:50] Speaker 3: out there. I'm not going to say he was out
[38:51] Speaker 3: of shape. He didn't look great out there.
[38:53] Speaker 2: You're triggering me.
[38:53] Speaker 3: You disagree with me. No, he didn't look great. I
[38:56] Speaker 3: don't want to say he looked totally out of shape. Yes,
[38:58] Speaker 3: he was out of shape. It was out of seven
[39:00] Speaker 3: and six. We was just having this whole conversation about
[39:02] Speaker 3: him not being out of shape.
[39:03] Speaker 4: He's not in great shape to me.
[39:04] Speaker 3: Like, elite.
[39:05] Speaker 4: The best shape he could be.
[39:06] Speaker 3: How do we know that, though?
[39:07] Speaker 2: How do we know that? But, Gil, to your point,
[39:09] Speaker 2: you said the same thing.
[39:10] Speaker 3: Does he look in better shape? Right now, losing, like,
[39:12] Speaker 3: he looks like he lost about 15. The pitchers looked
[39:14] Speaker 3: at skinny when he came, too. No, I'm saying, does
[39:17] Speaker 3: he look like he lost about 16? The pitchers looked
[39:18] Speaker 3: at skinny when he came, too.
[39:20] Speaker 2: Yo, yo, yo. Let me ask you something.
[39:23] Speaker 3: Let me ask you. Let me ask you. Do you
[39:28] Speaker 3: think he's in shape? I think that's this Luca. Do
[39:31] Speaker 3: you think you can get in better shape man? He's
[39:33] Speaker 3: been first Do you think he can get in better shape?
[39:36] Speaker 1: There's a difference in shape and being in a.
[39:39] Speaker 9: Leaf shape So that means you think he can.
[39:41] Speaker 6: Get in better shape him being in better shape meaning
[39:44] Speaker 6: go slide his feet and all that I We will hope.
[39:47] Speaker 3: But I'm asking you.
[39:47] Speaker 9: If you think he can get in better shape, what
[39:52] Speaker 9: does his ceiling look like if there's another level or
[39:54] Speaker 9: two levels he.
[39:54] Speaker 3: Can get in?
[39:54] Speaker 8: Nick, you act like you was motherfucking goddamn Tony Allen
[39:57] Speaker 8: out this bitch.
[39:59] Speaker 3: You act like you was a fucking league defender. And
[40:01] Speaker 3: he was.
[40:02] Speaker 4: First team on the NBA five straight years.
[40:04] Speaker 9: No, I'm asking you if there's more levels to get
[40:07] Speaker 9: to and him getting in shape, what does his ceiling
[40:10] Speaker 9: look like?
[40:11] Speaker 6: But is this going to make him... I'm asking you
[40:14] Speaker 6: a question. He averaged 37-6.
[40:15] Speaker 3: And you don't say he's not in top-tier shape. What
[40:19] Speaker 3: happens when he gets in top-tier shape? What does it
[40:21] Speaker 3: look like?
[40:23] Speaker 9: I'm not talking about losing or winning. I'm saying 37-6.
[40:27] Speaker 9: If he's right here, if we're saying there's more levels
[40:32] Speaker 9: that he physically can get into, what does.
[40:34] Speaker 3: That look like? Defensive player of the year. Okay.
[40:37] Speaker 2: Y'all stop it.
[40:39] Speaker 3: Stop that. Let's make it. Yeah.
[40:41] Speaker 2: We hope it will lead to some defense.
[40:45] Speaker 3: Okay. So we know what motherfucking hope work.
[40:48] Speaker 2: So defense.
[40:49] Speaker 3: So defense.
[40:49] Speaker 2: Do you know?
[40:50] Speaker 3: Oh, you ain't been, you know, hope work. Nah.
[40:52] Speaker 8: It's a local Divi walk. We've got some dollars on you.
[40:55] Speaker 8: I hope down at the motherfucking flops. You stripping for
[40:59] Speaker 8: motherfucking tips. That's what hope work.
[41:01] Speaker 2: So you want a number?
[41:03] Speaker 3: Very good chance.
[41:05] Speaker 2: All that motherfucker.
[41:07] Speaker 3: All that shit. All that shit. Work at the strip club. Promise.
[41:11] Speaker 3: You got to get promise when you go. Work at
[41:13] Speaker 3: the strip club. Him being an elite defender. Him moving
[41:16] Speaker 3: his feet on defense. He fucking tries the best he
[41:18] Speaker 3: fucking can. Right?
[41:20] Speaker 4: I'm the number one to tell you.
[41:21] Speaker 3: We ain't doing that. How hard he try, he ain't
[41:23] Speaker 3: gonna be... I love Lula, though, but I'd be just
[41:32] Speaker 3: making excuses for... No one made an excuse. I don't know.
[41:36] Speaker 3: What conversation are you on?
[41:39] Speaker 2: Rodney and Cedric.
[41:41] Speaker 3: Nobody's talking about them losing.
[41:43] Speaker 2: Nobody gives a.
[41:44] Speaker 7: We're talking about when he gets in peak shape, where
[41:47] Speaker 7: is his career going to be?
[41:49] Speaker 3: This has nothing to do with him losing. Why are
[41:51] Speaker 3: we even asking the question? Where is it at right now, though?
[41:53] Speaker 3: Where is it at right now? It should be worse. Huh?
[41:56] Speaker 2: It could be worse.
[41:57] Speaker 4: Top five player in the league right now.
[41:58] Speaker 2: It could be worse.
[41:59] Speaker 3: We're saying right now where he's at, can he get better?
[42:01] Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. Would he benefit from being
[42:04] Speaker 1: in the league? You're talking about excuses on why he lost.
[42:06] Speaker 1: He's looking at a picture saying he's in shape. But
[42:08] Speaker 1: we're also talking about if he's built mentally to deal
[42:09] Speaker 1: with the scrutiny that comes with being on the league.
[42:11] Speaker 2: When he gets in shape, Where would he be?
[42:13] Speaker 7: What's going to be the next pitcher?
[42:16] Speaker 3: Circle it back around. Circle it back around to what
[42:19] Speaker 3: we're talking about.
[42:19] Speaker 2: Can we get back to the pitchers?
[42:21] Speaker 3: Can we talk about him being out of shape? You
[42:24] Speaker 3: brought it up.
[42:24] Speaker 7: Like, yeah, we need to be talking about if Luka
[42:27] Speaker 7: comes back.
[42:27] Speaker 2: If he appears to be.
[42:29] Speaker 3: If he comes back. We're going to see another pitcher.
[42:31] Speaker 3: And he's saying stop making excuses about the weight.
[42:33] Speaker 1: It looks like he's not eating American food.
[42:35] Speaker 12: The nigga at 37 and 6, I don't know who's
[42:37] Speaker 12: making the excuse for 37. 37 and 6 we don't
[42:41] Speaker 12: want to see no pitchers you do slimming down who's
[42:43] Speaker 12: making an excuse for 37 and 6 we're asking a
[42:46] Speaker 12: question that means open up your brain and listen we're
[42:50] Speaker 12: saying if.
[42:51] Speaker 9: This is where his talent is right now and everybody's
[42:54] Speaker 9: saying he's out of shape what can we expect if
[42:57] Speaker 9: he gets in shape 37 8 and 8 30 10
[43:02] Speaker 9: and 10 where does the ceiling go if this is the.
[43:05] Speaker 3: Shit y'all talking about now at 37 and 6.
[43:07] Speaker 2: And what was my answer He said play defense.
[43:11] Speaker 3: I said defensive player of the year on defense.
[43:13] Speaker 2: So you're being unrealistic.
[43:16] Speaker 8: So you're being unrealistic. We don't say that about you.
[43:20] Speaker 7: Because there was a player who did both for like
[43:22] Speaker 7: 10 straight years.
[43:23] Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
[43:24] Speaker 2: So now we're going there.
[43:25] Speaker 3: Yes, because that makes it realistic.
[43:27] Speaker 2: No, it's not.
[43:28] Speaker 3: It's not? It's not him. Okay.
[43:29] Speaker 4: Oh, I was about to say he ain't got that.
[43:31] Speaker 3: It's not him. That was a superstar. That was a superstar.
[43:34] Speaker 2: Who are you speaking of?
[43:35] Speaker 3: Who are you speaking of?
[43:36] Speaker 2: Hey, I don't have to tell you. Who are you
[43:38] Speaker 2: speaking of?
[43:38] Speaker 3: So did that man leave the league.
[43:39] Speaker 2: In assists then?
[43:40] Speaker 13: No.
[43:41] Speaker 3: So you want him to be something he ain't? Or rebounds?
[43:43] Speaker 2: Or rebounds. No.
[43:45] Speaker 9: So we're not doing that. We're not doing that. So
[43:48] Speaker 9: you want him to be something he's not. We're being unrealistic.
[43:52] Speaker 9: So we wanted that guy in the business. Go out
[43:54] Speaker 9: and lead the league in the state. We're being unrealistic.
[43:57] Speaker 3: Nick, I'm going to talk to you. If he's in shape,
[44:01] Speaker 3: if he's in shape, and he can fly his feet just.
[44:04] Speaker 7: A little bit faster, wouldn't that stop help us in
[44:09] Speaker 7: the first round of the playoffs if we need these stops?
[44:12] Speaker 3: Does he want MVP if he's in shape? I'm not guaranteed.
[44:15] Speaker 3: He's already in that. He's already in that. He was
[44:18] Speaker 3: already in the conversation. Nick, was it realistic for you.
[44:20] Speaker 9: To be in the conversation with a defensive player when
[44:22] Speaker 9: you played?
[44:23] Speaker 1: Yes.
[44:23] Speaker 3: Now you on motherfucking what and what.
[44:25] Speaker 2: It was.
[44:25] Speaker 1: What you drinking right here, bro? Norris would like a sip.
[44:42] Speaker 1: All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. We got
[44:43] Speaker 1: a lot of other topics to get into. He don't
[44:45] Speaker 1: go sipping that hand to sip.
[44:46] Speaker 3: That's it. Patronacy? Yes. Absolutely. Nobody can get past me.
[44:52] Speaker 3: That's all that matters.
[44:53] Speaker 7: So you got to be in shape to move them
[44:54] Speaker 7: puppies from here to here to here to here.
[44:56] Speaker 3: Thank you. You got to want them. You got to
[44:58] Speaker 3: want them. You got to want them.
[45:00] Speaker 2: You have to be in shape.
[45:01] Speaker 3: Yes.
[45:02] Speaker 11: No.
[45:02] Speaker 3: No, you don't.
[45:04] Speaker 11: If you can score 30 points a game, you might
[45:06] Speaker 11: want to.
[45:07] Speaker 3: No, you don't. Do you have to be in shape
[45:09] Speaker 3: to go like this and do this and do this?
[45:11] Speaker 2: You don't have to be in shape?
[45:12] Speaker 3: No. You don't. It would be beneficial.
[45:14] Speaker 2: You don't.
[45:21] Speaker 3: You don't have to. He's going to be defensive player
[45:23] Speaker 3: of the year. Defensive player of the year. So y'all
[45:26] Speaker 3: use words and shit, right?
[45:28] Speaker 2: No, you don't. Josiah asked you a question. You said,
[45:31] Speaker 2: do you have to be?
[45:31] Speaker 4: Has LeBron won?
[45:32] Speaker 2: No, you don't fucking have to be.
[45:33] Speaker 3: He should have. He should have. Has Kobe won defensive
[45:35] Speaker 3: player of the year? He should have.
[45:36] Speaker 2: Both of them should have.
[45:37] Speaker 4: Y'all asked him to do something that some of the
[45:38] Speaker 4: pantheons ain't never did.
[45:39] Speaker 3: I know, man. That's what I said. They should have.
[45:42] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[45:43] Speaker 3: That's Giannis. That's Giannis. Giannis is 16. Nigga have 2%
[45:46] Speaker 3: body fat. Did Kobe do it?
[45:48] Speaker 2: They didn't.
[45:49] Speaker 3: Almost.
[45:49] Speaker 2: Almost?
[45:51] Speaker 3: Oh!
[45:51] Speaker 2: Parker Jordan did it.
[45:54] Speaker 3: They gave it to him.
[45:55] Speaker 4: He's going to go.
[45:57] Speaker 3: They gave it to him. They gave it to him.
[46:00] Speaker 2: They gave it to him.
[46:01] Speaker 3: The fact that.
[46:02] Speaker 9: He's in that, the fact that y'all talking about him
[46:04] Speaker 9: doing that.
[46:05] Speaker 4: That's crazy to me.
[46:06] Speaker 3: They just let you know how great he really is.
[46:09] Speaker 2: Hakeem Olajuwon did it. So how many people in the
[46:11] Speaker 2: history of the NBA?
[46:11] Speaker 3: That's three.
[46:12] Speaker 2: Out of how many people? A lot of people. God damn.
[46:15] Speaker 2: Are we going to do that?
[46:15] Speaker 3: Yes, Hakeem.
[46:16] Speaker 11: How many offensive players have won defensive player of the year?
[46:19] Speaker 2: We can do that with a lot of people.
[46:20] Speaker 3: No, how many dominant offensive players have won defensive player
[46:22] Speaker 3: of the year? It ain't many, brother. How many people
[46:24] Speaker 3: didn't play in this league? 5,000? 5,000 people.
[46:27] Speaker 9: So you just gave me three out of 5,000. Dare
[46:29] Speaker 9: to be great. Dare to be great.
[46:31] Speaker 2: Gave me three out of five.
[46:32] Speaker 4: How many offensive players have won?
[46:34] Speaker 3: So why didn't he do these things? I guess he
[46:36] Speaker 3: wasn't great enough.
[46:37] Speaker 8: So your guy wasn't great enough now.
[46:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[46:40] Speaker 9: Because the guys in front of him didn't. What guys
[46:43] Speaker 9: in front of him?
[46:44] Speaker 3: Step in the shit. Step in what? The shit you
[46:45] Speaker 3: just put your step in. That's my guy. That's my guy. Yo, guys,
[46:49] Speaker 3: you just brought up whatever. You hellbent on COVID-COVID yesterday.
[46:52] Speaker 3: And yesterday's number one. That's what y'all talking about. It's Bean.
[46:56] Speaker 3: It's Bean. Bean is Bean.
[46:57] Speaker 2: Y'all ain't gonna disrespect Bean.
[46:59] Speaker 3: Now, all of a sudden, he ain't great enough. Yeah.
[47:02] Speaker 3: This is just yesterday. Yeah.
[47:03] Speaker 2: He's not great enough.
[47:04] Speaker 3: Now what? But he's the greatest player of all time
[47:07] Speaker 3: to you. Yes. He didn't get those accomplishments. So what?
[47:10] Speaker 1: Ken, you're doing that in the best dad ever medal.
[47:13] Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
[47:13] Speaker 2: So what?
[47:14] Speaker 3: I ain't never seen him act like this. Yeah. Over what?
[47:17] Speaker 3: They won't help me not to be so bad.
[47:20] Speaker 2: What did he do to y'all?
[47:21] Speaker 3: What did he do to y'all?
[47:23] Speaker 2: That was a hotty potty.
[47:27] Speaker 3: That was an all about the experience.
[47:32] Speaker 7: That was you and Kobe.
[47:35] Speaker 4: Kobe didn't get this.
[47:36] Speaker 2: He wasn't like that. I'm going on your word.
[47:38] Speaker 3: I'm going on your word. Kobe Bryant does this to people? No, no, no.
[47:44] Speaker 3: To you.
[47:44] Speaker 2: To you.
[47:44] Speaker 3: To you.
[47:46] Speaker 7: You said Luka Doncic is going to win defensive player
[47:49] Speaker 7: of the year. Something that Kobe didn't do and Kobe
[47:52] Speaker 7: was a real defender.
[47:53] Speaker 3: That's out of body to say that. Why can't he
[47:56] Speaker 3: be better than Kobe? What's out of body, bro?
[48:13] Speaker 2: Okay.
[48:14] Speaker 3: Come with logic when you're talking to me, bro.
[48:16] Speaker 8: That's out of body.
[48:17] Speaker 3: That's out of body. Why can't he do it? Why
[48:21] Speaker 3: can't he do it? Because he don't play.
[48:23] Speaker 1: Why is it out of body?
[48:26] Speaker 3: Join me, man. According to him. According to him. Why
[48:29] Speaker 3: can't Luka do it? Why can't Luka do it? Think
[48:33] Speaker 3: about what he's saying.
[48:33] Speaker 2: Think about what he's saying.
[48:35] Speaker 3: To him, Kobe is number one. Finish him. To him,
[48:38] Speaker 3: Kobe is number one.
[48:40] Speaker 9: He's saying do something that Kobe didn't do. He put
[48:46] Speaker 9: Jordan in front and said, Jordan did it. So he said, wait,
[48:49] Speaker 9: Kobe didn't do it. You got Kobe number one. So
[48:51] Speaker 9: you're saying the greatest player of all time for you
[48:53] Speaker 9: don't even have none of this, but you're telling the
[48:56] Speaker 9: guy who's a Laker to do something that Kobe didn't do.
[49:00] Speaker 3: And it's not even his thing to do. It will
[49:02] Speaker 3: make you the greatest Laker, wouldn't it? It would.
[49:04] Speaker 2: It don't make sense for you niggas.
[49:06] Speaker 3: I see.
[49:06] Speaker 2: It does make very good sense.
[49:07] Speaker 3: So what? So why doesn't that?
[49:08] Speaker 9: Because the greatest Lakers don't have. If I'm pushing Luka
[49:12] Speaker 9: to be better than my favorite player, I'm pushing.
[49:15] Speaker 3: Luka to say, look, do what my guy never did.
[49:17] Speaker 2: It sounds good. It sounds good coming out your mouth.
[49:21] Speaker 7: It always seems to sound good when they come out.
[49:26] Speaker 3: He don't have a chance to do it if he
[49:27] Speaker 3: really put his mind to it.
[49:28] Speaker 11: LeBron don't even got a defensive player in the year.
[49:31] Speaker 3: In 22 years.
[49:32] Speaker 13: No matter what.
[49:34] Speaker 3: He said if you get defensive player of the year,
[49:36] Speaker 3: you could be the greatest Laker of all time when
[49:38] Speaker 3: the greatest player in the world to him ever don't
[49:40] Speaker 3: even have it. that don't even sound right.
[50:06] Speaker 13: All right well it does not sound right because the
[50:14] Speaker 13: guy who he's who has these awards the.
[50:17] Speaker 9: Guy that he has the crown don't have the award
[50:20] Speaker 9: he's saying that you need to get the award to
[50:22] Speaker 9: be the number one but number one don't have it
[50:25] Speaker 9: come on man you're saying shit now well.
[50:27] Speaker 1: Let's Let's keep this thing moving. We asked the chat,
[50:30] Speaker 1: is Luka prepared to be the face of the Lakers?
[50:32] Speaker 1: We had nearly 4,000 votes. 68% of the chat says yes.
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[52:28] Speaker 1: All right, so yesterday on the show, we talked about
[52:29] Speaker 1: KD's future in the league with a report from Shams
[52:32] Speaker 1: that Durant narrowed down his preferred trade destination to the Heat, Spurs,
[52:36] Speaker 1: and Rockets. Well, according to a report from The Athletic
[52:39] Speaker 1: Monday night, this list has been dwindled down to just
[52:41] Speaker 1: one preferred option, the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs have
[52:45] Speaker 1: the assets necessary to make a deal happen, including the
[52:48] Speaker 1: number two and 14 picks in this year's draft at
[52:50] Speaker 1: their disposal, but Should the Spurs leverage their future to
[52:53] Speaker 1: pair KD with Wimby?
[52:56] Speaker 3: Ooh, shit going down here in the arena. It is
[52:58] Speaker 3: turnt up. Oops. I know black.
[53:01] Speaker 2: But should the Spurs leverage their future to pair KD
[53:04] Speaker 2: with Wimby? I don't think they have to.
[53:08] Speaker 3: They should.
[53:09] Speaker 2: I don't think they have to leverage their future.
[53:11] Speaker 4: They got enough assets.
[53:12] Speaker 2: This year pick, but they got what?
[53:14] Speaker 8: 2 and 14, they got pieces.
[53:18] Speaker 1: They don't have to leverage their future. Tons of draft assets.
[53:20] Speaker 1: There was talk initially the Suns had a hefty asking
[53:22] Speaker 1: price for KD. Seems like they have no leverage in
[53:25] Speaker 1: these negotiations. They don't say leverage your future. You mean Wimby?
[53:29] Speaker 8: No, no, just castle, castle.
[53:32] Speaker 3: And other pieces they have.
[53:33] Speaker 4: Vessel and.
[53:34] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. Carry on, carry on. Carry on,
[53:38] Speaker 3: carry on.
[53:38] Speaker 7: When you said future, I thought you were talking about Wimpy.
[53:42] Speaker 3: No, no.
[53:43] Speaker 2: That's the only future they need, motherfucker.
[53:45] Speaker 3: Wimpy is the future.
[53:45] Speaker 9: There's got to be a point where you just throw
[53:47] Speaker 9: anybody out there with him.
[53:48] Speaker 2: You folk niggas.
[53:49] Speaker 3: Just come on and play with him.
[53:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, you can't get rid of him.
[53:52] Speaker 3: Carry on. You can't get rid of him.
[53:55] Speaker 8: They got enough pieces that they could not... Not leverage,
[53:59] Speaker 8: like just throw everything in.
[54:01] Speaker 1: So there are reports Suns are asking for Castle, potentially
[54:03] Speaker 1: that second pick. I don't think, once this thing wears down,
[54:06] Speaker 1: they're not getting both. You're not getting both? No, I'm
[54:09] Speaker 1: not getting both. Not for an oldest KD? 35?
[54:12] Speaker 3: 37-year-old.
[54:12] Speaker 8: Not for a 37-year-old KD? Not a 37-year-old KD. If
[54:14] Speaker 8: KD was motherfucking 31? If KD was 31 pre-Achilles, yeah,
[54:16] Speaker 8: you'd give him a second. Castle, 14, the gym.
[54:31] Speaker 1: If KD was 31, that would look somewhere along the
[54:34] Speaker 1: lines of about 6, 7, 8 first round.
[54:35] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
[54:38] Speaker 1: So, Sean, do you think Spurs leverage their future in
[54:41] Speaker 1: terms of their draft capital and assets and some of
[54:44] Speaker 1: their young core now to bring KD in to pair
[54:46] Speaker 1: him up with Wimby?
[54:48] Speaker 2: I do. I think that what Wimby needs is momentum.
[54:53] Speaker 2: He needs some momentum.
[54:54] Speaker 7: So KD would give him winning momentum into his departure.
[54:58] Speaker 2: Then you got him and De'Aaron Fox.
[55:01] Speaker 7: Castle's a promising, promising, promising prospect. He reminds me a
[55:04] Speaker 7: lot like Vince. But you got to let him go
[55:07] Speaker 7: because he's very valuable. So you're looking at a piece
[55:10] Speaker 7: like that. Partner with Johnson or Vassell. Maybe Shohan. You're
[55:15] Speaker 7: looking at something you can even get more to compliment
[55:19] Speaker 7: KD if you Separate those I'm saying give away that
[55:23] Speaker 7: pick double down on the fact that you can bring
[55:26] Speaker 7: the Spurs legacy back to life You know right now
[55:30] Speaker 7: and pop this departure is one where everyone will be
[55:34] Speaker 7: looking for a rebuild stage.
[55:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, well They've.
[55:38] Speaker 7: Been in the midst of that and they went and
[55:40] Speaker 7: when I say that I mean like the dust settles
[55:43] Speaker 7: right now pop is gone and we got a really
[55:47] Speaker 7: find a new identity and So at that point, you're
[55:49] Speaker 7: looking at Wimby being that, De'Aaron Fox being that, come in,
[55:52] Speaker 7: bring KD, try to bring CP in.
[55:55] Speaker 2: This is another vet that could.
[55:57] Speaker 7: Give you 23, 25 for.
[55:59] Speaker 2: The next two years. You have the potential to put
[56:02] Speaker 2: a big three together, De'Aaron Fox, Wimby, KD.
[56:05] Speaker 8: But if you do that, do you say, are you,
[56:07] Speaker 8: if you do that, right? You say the next two years.
[56:11] Speaker 8: Are you winning a championship in the next two years?
[56:12] Speaker 2: You got to get close. See, close on that ain't
[56:15] Speaker 2: good enough.
[56:16] Speaker 3: You might not win, but that's what I said, momentum.
[56:19] Speaker 3: The momentum goes to Wimby. It's Wimby. It's Wimby, though.
[56:23] Speaker 2: It's a Wimby project.
[56:24] Speaker 7: It's not a KD farewell tour. We need to give
[56:28] Speaker 7: Wimby what it tastes like to get there and feel that, oh,
[56:31] Speaker 7: we was almost there. KD, bring him up to the
[56:33] Speaker 7: table and say, look, De'Aaron Fox, you take us over the.
[56:37] Speaker 3: Top because they ain't even thinking you even here with us.
[56:40] Speaker 2: That's why they're going to need some help, though.
[56:41] Speaker 3: If they keep Castle, that'll be the biggest deal.
[56:43] Speaker 4: Would you keep De'Aaron Fox if the Suns asked for that?
[56:51] Speaker 3: Well, you want to give? I'm keeping.
[56:54] Speaker 2: You got to keep five.
[56:56] Speaker 3: So you have to leverage the assets. You got to
[56:58] Speaker 3: leverage the assets. Not to say that that's in the mix.
[56:59] Speaker 9: No, I'm just saying his speed, his shot ability, the
[57:02] Speaker 9: way he can get downhill quick.
[57:04] Speaker 3: He's experienced.
[57:05] Speaker 2: He's experienced.
[57:07] Speaker 4: If you keep Darren Fox, then you can give away
[57:09] Speaker 4: the number two pick. If you're going to keep number
[57:10] Speaker 4: two pick and bring in Daylon Parker.
[57:12] Speaker 1: But if he wants to find Castle, do you give
[57:13] Speaker 1: away rookie of the year, a guy with a very
[57:15] Speaker 1: bright future in this league?
[57:16] Speaker 3: That's the thing. I'm not giving you.
[57:19] Speaker 2: The two pick, but I'm not giving.
[57:21] Speaker 3: You the two aim. You don't have nothing else to give.
[57:25] Speaker 2: All three of them are shooting. Vassell, Castle, all of
[57:29] Speaker 2: them are shooting.
[57:29] Speaker 4: Dylan Harper is the point guard.
[57:30] Speaker 3: Harper's a shooting guard.
[57:31] Speaker 4: I mean, he can play two more.
[57:32] Speaker 3: But I'm not. He's a shooting guard, right?
[57:34] Speaker 9: I'm going with this rookie of the year. They're both, like,
[57:37] Speaker 9: Castle's a shooting guard.
[57:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[57:39] Speaker 9: And then your second pick is who, Harper or Bailey?
[57:43] Speaker 9: Castle is a shooting guard.
[57:45] Speaker 3: He's dropping two, so it's like. Well, that's the poor thing.
[57:48] Speaker 2: He don't want to work out for teams. He knows
[57:49] Speaker 2: where he's going.
[57:50] Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, if I draft Harper, what am
[57:53] Speaker 3: I doing with him?
[57:54] Speaker 1: Nothing.
[57:54] Speaker 3: Nothing.
[57:55] Speaker 7: But if you're a Phoenix, why would you get Castle
[57:57] Speaker 7: and you got Booker and Bill?
[57:59] Speaker 3: Because Castle is going to be small.
[58:00] Speaker 4: Phoenix is in total rebuild. They're not winning. Phoenix is
[58:02] Speaker 4: not winning.
[58:03] Speaker 3: Can't Castle be a small forward? No, you're going to
[58:04] Speaker 3: put Booker at the point and put him at the two.
[58:06] Speaker 3: Now he can't shoot.
[58:07] Speaker 2: Like 6'5. You wouldn't go for no student guard.
[58:10] Speaker 4: And Bill, honestly, they're not really rocking with him.
[58:12] Speaker 7: It has to be a multi-team trade. It can't be
[58:14] Speaker 7: no straight-up trade. It can't be no straight-up trade. It
[58:16] Speaker 7: has to be multi-team. You've got to be involved with
[58:18] Speaker 7: the pieces. I'm not living in the future, though, to
[58:21] Speaker 7: bring KD in. Are you living in the now for win?
[58:23] Speaker 3: It's Castle, your future. It's part of it. It's part
[58:26] Speaker 3: of it. You got a young guard. You got Wimby
[58:31] Speaker 3: as the piece. You got two rookies.
[58:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's a nice foundation for a young team.
[58:36] Speaker 3: You need one.
[58:37] Speaker 4: More piece and you got Fox there as a point guard.
[58:39] Speaker 4: You got three. Tony Parker, Manu.
[58:42] Speaker 2: Still got Harrison Barnes over there.
[58:43] Speaker 9: Would you leverage that? He has to go because there's
[58:46] Speaker 9: no minutes for him.
[58:47] Speaker 3: Because you still got Johnson. You still got Vassell. Some
[58:51] Speaker 3: of these pieces may be in the mix.
[58:53] Speaker 8: Some of the pieces still might, so whoever you decide
[58:54] Speaker 8: to keep of them four then it's what you, I'm saying,
[58:58] Speaker 8: so it's... So Harrison Barnes has to go because he's
[59:01] Speaker 8: giving a lot.
[59:02] Speaker 3: Is he good?
[59:03] Speaker 2: Is he still valuable right now?
[59:04] Speaker 3: Fox, Kitty, and Wimby. They don't have a three over.
[59:08] Speaker 1: They don't have so let's let's look at this first
[59:10] Speaker 1: give her the Fox Spurs finished 34 48 this season
[59:13] Speaker 1: will win be sidelined for more than 30 games after
[59:15] Speaker 1: suffering a season-ending blood clot in his shoulder Does Katie
[59:18] Speaker 1: make the Spurs a playoff team and when I play
[59:21] Speaker 1: off team I say top six in the NBA.
[59:23] Speaker 3: Not a plane. Yes, I Easy 50 wins with a
[59:26] Speaker 3: healthy Kevin Durant, healthy Spurs team. They're a 50-win team.
[59:29] Speaker 3: So if you're the Spurs, why not make this move?
[59:31] Speaker 3: How many games? 34 and 48. I think it's like
[59:32] Speaker 3: 36 total.
[59:33] Speaker 2: For the season.
[59:33] Speaker 3: Just imagine if you play half of them 36.
[59:35] Speaker 2: Just imagine if you play half of them 36.
[59:36] Speaker 3: They win 40-something games last year. If you play half
[59:38] Speaker 3: of the 36 games.
[59:38] Speaker 2: And you only need them in the 65 to 70-game range.
[59:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, they easily win 50 games, 50-plus with Kevin Durant.
[59:51] Speaker 7: I'd say the next two years with them three, they
[59:54] Speaker 7: can make a run.
[59:55] Speaker 2: They can.
[59:55] Speaker 3: They can make a run. Why do you only want
[59:58] Speaker 3: to go to the Spurs, though?
[59:59] Speaker 2: Because it's that.
[1:00:01] Speaker 9: Going east is easier to make it to the finals,
[1:00:04] Speaker 9: but win be changes the dynamic.
[1:00:07] Speaker 3: Of landscaping because he's a freak of nature.
[1:00:09] Speaker 4: And Phoenix is going to want what they want. Phoenix
[1:00:11] Speaker 4: is not taking. They're not going to just take anything.
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: He's taking that bullshit over. He's a freak of nature.
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: It's like when LeBron was younger. He goes somewhere, it
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: kind of just changes the outcome.
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: That's with me right now.
[1:00:23] Speaker 3: Defensively, he's a juggernaut. Once he gets into his offense,
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: then it's over.
[1:00:27] Speaker 9: Once he understands, like, you know what, if I just
[1:00:29] Speaker 9: stand under this rim and y'all just throw that shit
[1:00:31] Speaker 9: up there, Like, goddamn near go to in every goddamn
[1:00:35] Speaker 9: pass y'all make.
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: This shit might.
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: Be too easy.
[1:00:39] Speaker 8: And just turn around jumpers, man. Like, give him a
[1:00:41] Speaker 8: little more. Get some little strength. Just a little bit.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: Hold the ground.
[1:00:46] Speaker 3: Just a little bit. Turn around, jumpers, jumpers. Get certain
[1:00:49] Speaker 3: little simple shit. He averaging, motherfucking, 28, 29. He need
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: a compadre, though. He needs somebody to save him.
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: Kevin Durant is that? No, no, no. Another big. Oh,
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: another bold, bold. Need another big. Uh-oh, don't say it, Gil.
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: It can't be like him, though.
[1:01:05] Speaker 3: It's got to be a strong one.
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: Like a Stephen Adams, Harden.
[1:01:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: Two of them?
[1:01:11] Speaker 3: Two of them out there?
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, two of them out there.
[1:01:14] Speaker 3: Two of them out there.
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: Bold, bold.
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: The way they play defense, both of them?
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: Yes. You play zone on that. And Kevin Durant. And
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. Oh, one, two, three. My God. Three, four, five.
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: Good luck. 3-4-5?
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: Good luck at the rim.
[1:01:29] Speaker 3: Three, four, five.
[1:01:30] Speaker 4: That'd be the tallest backcourt in the NBA.
[1:01:32] Speaker 7: Castle at the two. Castle at the two. De'Aaron Fox
[1:01:34] Speaker 7: at the one. I'm bringing Bobo in right away.
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: Bobo's going to become a free agent this summer. Spurs
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: get to Bobo.
[1:01:42] Speaker 3: Get that engine going.
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: So let's talk a little more KD.
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: Durant, KD turns 37 in September, still playing at an
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: all-NBA level. Average 27 a game this season. How many
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: good years does KD have left in the tank? If
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: you're looking at it from a franchise perspective.
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: The way he plays?
[1:02:12] Speaker 4: Depends what you want him to be.
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: Four years.
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you say?
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: Good years. Like 15 a game? Good?
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: Not good enough. I'm saying at the level he's playing now.
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: He's actually 27 now, right?
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[1:02:24] Speaker 8: So what is, so what would we consider like, Katie
[1:02:27] Speaker 8: needs to retire? Like, what would that number be? Right? Like,
[1:02:31] Speaker 8: what would that fucking number be? So I feel like
[1:02:33] Speaker 8: he's still got at least three good high level years.
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: But this media, 25.
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: If he happens to be 25, he got to retire.
[1:02:39] Speaker 9: He washed at 25, right?
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: That's what somebody's going to say.
[1:02:42] Speaker 4: As long as he's healthy, he's not going to have
[1:02:44] Speaker 4: no bad years because he can shoot and he's efficient
[1:02:46] Speaker 4: and he's 6'10.
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: That don't go nowhere.
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: If he gives you 20 a game, I mean, he's
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: still usable. If he gets slow, he can spot a shoot. Yeah,
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: then he'll back up five.
[1:02:53] Speaker 4: Stretch five.
[1:02:53] Speaker 3: Stretch five in four years. Right?
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: Damn.
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: It all depends. If he's with Wimby, Wimby extends his life.
[1:03:08] Speaker 8: Because bad as some of these defenders are in the
[1:03:10] Speaker 8: NBA right now, there's no separation at a 42-year-old Kevin Durant.
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: If he wants to play at 40, 41, 40. The
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: way the defensive lack thereof.
[1:03:24] Speaker 9: What I'm saying is you got Wimby back there. When
[1:03:28] Speaker 9: you have Wimby back there, the defensive... He covers all mistakes. Yeah,
[1:03:32] Speaker 9: he covers all mistakes. So you don't have to be
[1:03:34] Speaker 9: an excellent defender when you got him back there. So,
[1:03:37] Speaker 9: you know, him playing the four, the backup five, whatever,
[1:03:40] Speaker 9: you got help.
[1:03:41] Speaker 3: Real good help.
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: So KD's averaged 25 points per game every season since 2008-09.
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: Since he got drafted. Yeah.
[1:03:46] Speaker 3: Okay. That's what you just said. So....
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: Second year, excuse me. Thank you, Gil.
[1:03:55] Speaker 9: You're going to be unrealistic and say if he averages 21,
[1:03:58] Speaker 9: he got to retire?
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: No, not at all.
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is that he's been on that
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: trajectory and that streak, so it doesn't look like he's
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: tailed off.
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: We look at.
[1:04:04] Speaker 8: Some of the dudes that average them 25, 26, 27,
[1:04:07] Speaker 8: and you look at them when they're 37, 38.
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: That's my point. Motherfucker averaging 7. So at 37, I don't.
[1:04:15] Speaker 2: Look at KD at 37.
[1:04:16] Speaker 9: I don't even know if this group is allowed to
[1:04:18] Speaker 9: get 710 and average that now.
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: No.
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: They'll lose legacy. Yeah. Right?
[1:04:26] Speaker 9: If they get to be the normal old dude that
[1:04:28] Speaker 9: retires like everybody else.
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: They're losing their legacy spot now.
[1:04:33] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:04:33] Speaker 8: You got to walk away at the top. You got
[1:04:36] Speaker 8: to walk away when you're at the unfortunate.
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: No one's did it. Vince, he....
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: Fell off.
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: But he did it gracefully, though. He did it gracefully, though.
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: Gracefully fell off? No, no, no, no, no.
[1:04:50] Speaker 8: That shit look like it hurt. Listen, now, Vince last
[1:04:53] Speaker 8: two years, that shit look like it hurt. And when
[1:04:55] Speaker 8: he would dunk, the bench would cheer.
[1:04:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, but he wasn't having to play heavy minutes is
[1:04:58] Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
[1:04:59] Speaker 3: He could.
[1:05:00] Speaker 8: He physically could not play big minutes the last few years.
[1:05:03] Speaker 4: That sheltered it to where it didn't look crazy. If
[1:05:05] Speaker 4: he would have been having to play 25 minutes, it
[1:05:07] Speaker 4: would have been.
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: It looked crazy. No, it looked bad.
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: So my point being, KD averaged 25 every season since
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: his second year.
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: It's fair to assume even at 37.
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: He's still going to be able to play for a
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: high level if you're the Spurs and give you at
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: least three to four.
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: He doesn't have to do as much. He doesn't have
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: to carry the load. My point is, if I'm the Spurs,
[1:05:23] Speaker 3: I make that move instead of trying to look at
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: a draft pick that may not pan out in three
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: to four years. It ain't about that for KD, bro.
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: It's not. Man, KD want to hoop.
[1:05:32] Speaker 8: Go listen to his words. That's for other people to
[1:05:38] Speaker 8: worry about. That man want to motherfucking put that ball.
[1:05:41] Speaker 3: Through the basket, man.
[1:05:43] Speaker 6: If it come with a championship, he is fucking great
[1:05:46] Speaker 6: with it. You're not getting traded all these places just
[1:05:48] Speaker 6: to hoop.
[1:05:49] Speaker 3: Why not?
[1:05:50] Speaker 6: He want to win. He can hoop anywhere. He going
[1:05:54] Speaker 6: to hoop regardless. He can stay in Phoenix and hoop
[1:05:56] Speaker 6: and just get their ass. Did he just say what
[1:05:58] Speaker 6: he just said? He can stay in Phoenix. He's getting
[1:06:02] Speaker 6: traded to win. Yeah, and don't get traded the fucking
[1:06:05] Speaker 6: just go who you want to win. No, you don't
[1:06:08] Speaker 6: get traded over here.
[1:06:10] Speaker 3: Just a hoop.
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he went to the Nets
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: because he just wanted to be one of the win, right?
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: There was some circumstances that.
[1:06:17] Speaker 3: Didn't allow the go was the nuts.
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:06:19] Speaker 3: She won the hoop, bro. He said his own time ago,
[1:06:22] Speaker 3: but came to the sun. We're going off of his words.
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: Yes, not mine.
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: What did he say? He said, I don't want to win.
[1:06:30] Speaker 3: I just want to hoop.
[1:06:31] Speaker 8: No, he's just about basketball. I just want to play basketball.
[1:06:37] Speaker 8: I love basketball. If winning comes with it, great. He
[1:06:39] Speaker 8: don't want to be judged on not winning championships and
[1:06:43] Speaker 8: shit like that. He cares about the process.
[1:06:46] Speaker 9: The process of working out every day, watching, being in shape.
[1:06:51] Speaker 3: That's his life. His life is basketball.
[1:06:53] Speaker 8: And if a championship comes at the end of that,
[1:06:56] Speaker 8: fucking great, but he's not going to be good.
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: Not at all.
[1:06:59] Speaker 9: I'm not saying that, but if a championship comes with it, great,
[1:07:06] Speaker 9: but I'm doing everything I possibly can to get.
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: There, but that's being in love with basketball.
[1:07:12] Speaker 7: I'm not saying that. You guys saying if I win,
[1:07:15] Speaker 7: it's cool.
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: I just want to hoop. That's what y'all saying. The
[1:07:18] Speaker 3: problem is you guys are using... Not me, guys. What
[1:07:22] Speaker 3: are you talking about? You're labeling him by his... There's
[1:07:29] Speaker 3: a lot of water.
[1:07:30] Speaker 9: He's being labeled by winning, not his process.
[1:07:35] Speaker 3: His process is.
[1:07:36] Speaker 9: You can give me all the winners you want They
[1:07:39] Speaker 9: don't work out harder than me. They don't train more
[1:07:41] Speaker 9: than me. They don't watch more film than me. They
[1:07:44] Speaker 9: don't put their soul in this game. That's all I
[1:07:46] Speaker 9: care about, putting my soul in this game. I'm not
[1:07:50] Speaker 9: here to say who's a winner, who's a not. I'm
[1:07:52] Speaker 9: here to work out and train and give my life
[1:07:56] Speaker 9: to this game.
[1:07:57] Speaker 3: And if I win, it's cool. If I lose, it's cool.
[1:08:00] Speaker 3: Nobody say if you lose, it's cool. But it ain't
[1:08:03] Speaker 3: going to be the end all to be all for him.
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: I'm doing my part to win. I can see that.
[1:08:08] Speaker 9: So people are not going to get it. Did he
[1:08:12] Speaker 9: look like a loser when you was with him?
[1:08:14] Speaker 3: No, but I don't know. They look like a winner.
[1:08:17] Speaker 3: Steph look like a winner, too.
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: They look like a winner. Steph look like a winner.
[1:08:21] Speaker 3: And that's why they won a championship. You named three
[1:08:24] Speaker 3: more winners with him. I don't see you. I don't
[1:08:26] Speaker 3: see you. You said Clayton, right? You said Clayton, right?
[1:08:29] Speaker 3: I'm just saying. You said Clayton, right?
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: So during the process, right?
[1:08:32] Speaker 3: Right? So Nick.
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: I'm trying to bring you in.
[1:08:34] Speaker 3: I'm trying to bring you in.
[1:08:36] Speaker 8: During the process, while you were his teammate, right? The
[1:08:41] Speaker 8: long of the way, all the shit that he did.
[1:08:43] Speaker 8: If y'all don't win it at the end of the.
[1:08:44] Speaker 3: Year, right? It's not the end I'll be off in.
[1:08:49] Speaker 8: No, because there's another year to go play. There's another opportunity.
[1:08:52] Speaker 8: Because there's another opportunity next year for me to put
[1:08:55] Speaker 8: the same work in to give a fuck again. But
[1:08:57] Speaker 8: if I don't win it again, I'm not going to.
[1:09:00] Speaker 8: to let the public.
[1:09:02] Speaker 3: Judge my work ethic and what I put into this.
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: I just tell him I like to hoop, play basketball.
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: That's what it is for him.
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: That's what I tell people. I just like to hoop.
[1:09:11] Speaker 9: Don't you all like to hoop? Don't judge me on winning.
[1:09:15] Speaker 9: I just want to hoop. The first part of it
[1:09:16] Speaker 9: is the love of the game, right? That means if
[1:09:19] Speaker 9: you take the money away, if you take the money away,
[1:09:22] Speaker 9: he'll still do the same thing as hard, with no money.
[1:09:27] Speaker 2: And don't care about winning.
[1:09:28] Speaker 4: You think if he really wanted to win, he would
[1:09:29] Speaker 4: have left Stephanie on? I mean, if that was his name.
[1:09:33] Speaker 3: He wanted to win the showdown, for sure.
[1:09:36] Speaker 2: Wanted to show him, but you got more. A bird in.
[1:09:40] Speaker 3: The hand is worth more than two in the bush, nigga.
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: So, trust me. Where he was, they was winning.
[1:09:45] Speaker 3: He can come play with me at 24. That's all
[1:09:49] Speaker 3: you want to do. He's on fire. He's on fire.
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: It's three for three right now. Slow down. Time out.
[1:09:54] Speaker 3: Time out. Time out. They don't play hard. They don't
[1:09:58] Speaker 3: play hard. Did your team at 24 play hard? Undefeated.
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: You can't see me. Come see me then. Damn. Uh-oh.
[1:10:14] Speaker 3: A challenge has been issued. Come see me. Damn. See me. Damn.
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: I don't play basketball. See me. Damn.
[1:10:19] Speaker 4: Look this way.
[1:10:20] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:10:20] Speaker 2: Damn. I don't play basketball.
[1:10:23] Speaker 3: I do. I do.
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: The fuck are you? See you at what?
[1:10:27] Speaker 3: Come see me. I don't play basketball. I don't play basketball.
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: Come see me.
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: I moved on. That's in the past. I don't play
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: basketball anymore. My roof is on fire.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: I don't live through that.
[1:10:39] Speaker 3: My roof down.
[1:10:39] Speaker 2: I don't live through that. I don't live through basketball.
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: I do.
[1:10:42] Speaker 3: I still do. So therefore, you challenge people that play.
[1:10:45] Speaker 3: You challenge people that play. Well, we do have a
[1:10:48] Speaker 3: guest pass for you, Norris. It's the 24th. I haven't
[1:10:50] Speaker 3: seen you do this shit. That's competitive. No, it's not. No,
[1:10:53] Speaker 3: it's not.
[1:10:53] Speaker 14: No, not at all.
[1:11:05] Speaker 3: Y'all motherfuckers, you have no idea who I am.
[1:11:07] Speaker 2: Trust me. That's why your shirt says, Jesus loves you. Listen,
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: my competitive... Listen, dog. You don't want me to be competitive.
[1:11:15] Speaker 3: I've seen it, motherfucker.
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: No, you do not.
[1:11:17] Speaker 3: You don't want me to be competitive. Trust me. I've
[1:11:20] Speaker 3: seen you go in practice. No, you don't want... You.
[1:11:24] Speaker 2: Saw me when I was competitive, right? So, you was
[1:11:26] Speaker 2: on the team. So, therefore, I ain't nowhere near that.
[1:11:30] Speaker 3: It's okay to just go.
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: I ain't nowhere near that. No, it ain't. Not for me.
[1:11:35] Speaker 8: See, that's for y'all. See, y'all can do that shit.
[1:11:38] Speaker 8: Because when I turn it on, people can't handle it.
[1:11:42] Speaker 11: No, I'm just saying.
[1:11:47] Speaker 3: Nick, you've seen it. Nick, the head coach turned it
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: on when we were teammates. He turned it on. I
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: was chilling. I was chilling. He turned it on. And
[1:11:57] Speaker 3: what happened?
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: Vinny the Black? Yeah, what happened? What happened?
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: Shut down quick practice after that.
[1:12:04] Speaker 8: Because they best player having a hard time in this motherfucker, man.
[1:12:09] Speaker 3: Yo, real shit.
[1:12:11] Speaker 2: You don't want me to turn.
[1:12:12] Speaker 3: I know. I didn't turn that off, bruh.
[1:12:15] Speaker 2: All the way.
[1:12:16] Speaker 4: Man, you had a great career, OG.
[1:12:17] Speaker 2: I ain't got to tell me.
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: I know I played 15 years, nigga. Listen, I appreciate
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: the love, but I ain't nowhere near it, bruh.
[1:12:25] Speaker 2: Is there a game of dominoes or another sport that
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: you guys can partake in?
[1:12:27] Speaker 3: You want to do that? Let's do that. You want dominoes, cars, talk?
[1:12:32] Speaker 3: We can do it. Spades. Speaking of dominoes, Jay-Z? We
[1:12:37] Speaker 3: say y'all play the 500, though.
[1:12:39] Speaker 9: It was 480 to 175.
[1:12:42] Speaker 3: I don't know when he was at 150, but it
[1:12:45] Speaker 3: was 480 to 175.
[1:12:45] Speaker 9: He said, if we were to play to 150, I
[1:12:49] Speaker 9: would beat you.
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: Like, nigga, you ain't at 150 right now.
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: And I got 400.
[1:12:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's too long, man.
[1:12:54] Speaker 3: It's 150 to 250 to move. 150 is for amateur.
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: 200 the first game.
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: That's 150 amateurs. That means you can get out to
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: a good start and you're good. Well, I'm far from
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: an amateur, and I played at 150, Gil.
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: I'm far from an amateur, and I played at 150.
[1:13:07] Speaker 3: See, that 500, that's phase games. That's like big six.
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: You throw out big six. You throw out six. Three.
[1:13:17] Speaker 3: I do something.
[1:13:18] Speaker 9: You get 10. That's 25 off the jump. That's not
[1:13:21] Speaker 9: even skill work right there. That's just the place of
[1:13:23] Speaker 9: the dominoes, man. That's just the place of the dominoes.
[1:13:27] Speaker 3: That little Jerry hand after hand. Hand after hand. Nah,
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: hand after hand. That's the greatest game. comes in. See,
[1:13:33] Speaker 3: y'all play that seven and pull.
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: Y'all put your head up. Y'all want to pull. No,
[1:13:37] Speaker 2: I play nine, no draw.
[1:13:39] Speaker 3: I play whatever. Nine, no draw. Barnyard don't help you.
[1:13:42] Speaker 3: Whatever you pull, you pull and you play with. Five doubles,
[1:13:45] Speaker 3: six doubles, seven doubles.
[1:13:46] Speaker 8: Ain't no throwing no hands in. Ain't none of that shit. See,
[1:13:50] Speaker 8: people use that like, oh, that help. I got four doubles.
[1:13:53] Speaker 8: Throw it in.
[1:13:53] Speaker 3: No.
[1:13:54] Speaker 8: If your hands touch nine of them, motherfucker, you playing
[1:13:56] Speaker 8: with all nine of them. Ain't no throwing shit in.
[1:13:59] Speaker 8: We playing 10 to get in. 200 first game, 150.
[1:14:02] Speaker 4: I need to have Gil's domino event.
[1:14:06] Speaker 8: It ain't not one person that I didn't sit in
[1:14:08] Speaker 8: front of at that domino table.
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: You have a winning record against me.
[1:14:11] Speaker 3: I can take that shit.
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: That is a promise.
[1:14:15] Speaker 4: He said he passed out all.
[1:14:16] Speaker 8: Listen, we can pitch coin. I'm competitive now. We can
[1:14:19] Speaker 8: gamble pitching coins. We can play two dice dominoes cards.
[1:14:23] Speaker 3: We can do it all.
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't play as a rookie.
[1:14:26] Speaker 3: So that's all I had to play with my dad.
[1:14:27] Speaker 3: Trust online.
[1:14:28] Speaker 4: I didn't get him.
[1:14:29] Speaker 8: I grew up watching playing spades and dominoes.
[1:14:34] Speaker 3: And I got a wood domino.
[1:14:37] Speaker 8: I got a folding wood domino table that specifically made
[1:14:40] Speaker 8: for dominoes at my house. So I Yeah, folding wood
[1:14:44] Speaker 8: when everybody's got the fold. I got a wood one
[1:14:45] Speaker 8: specifically for that one. Every house I've been in, wood table.
[1:14:49] Speaker 8: We ain't playing on that plaque. I need to hear it.
[1:14:51] Speaker 8: There's certain action going on, Jack.
[1:14:53] Speaker 2: Hey, don't count me out.
[1:14:54] Speaker 9: Y'all been counting me out and everything else. Can't get
[1:15:01] Speaker 9: the paintball, can't get the bowl. Don't do that, man.
[1:15:03] Speaker 3: Can you? We trying to live. Can you?
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: Don't do that.
[1:15:05] Speaker 3: You know, Dan, where we point a gun at you,
[1:15:07] Speaker 3: we didn't. Right.
[1:15:08] Speaker 2: We in the hospital.
[1:15:09] Speaker 3: I like paintball.
[1:15:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I know you got the gun.
[1:15:13] Speaker 3: You don't want me to get my competitive spirit going.
[1:15:16] Speaker 3: That's fun. You don't kill him. No, that's fun. Ice
[1:15:19] Speaker 3: them holes.
[1:15:19] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yo, that's fun.
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: Like, playing basketball ain't fun no more. It's not. That
[1:15:28] Speaker 3: shit hurt. Playing basketball hurt.
[1:15:32] Speaker 8: I didn't put this body through hell. I didn't have
[1:15:37] Speaker 8: surgery on both ankles, both knees, wrists. I still bust
[1:15:42] Speaker 8: cold ass.
[1:15:42] Speaker 3: No, you will not.
[1:15:45] Speaker 2: My money on Norris.
[1:15:47] Speaker 4: Don't stand a chance, Nick.
[1:15:49] Speaker 2: My money on Norris.
[1:15:50] Speaker 3: He's flying right by you. You can't go by him, Nick.
[1:15:56] Speaker 3: He can't pose me up. Just say you'll play defense.
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: I got a thousand on Norris. That's not good. I
[1:16:04] Speaker 3: got a thousand on coach. You know I'm winning that.
[1:16:06] Speaker 3: You know I'm winning that. I got a thousand on coach.
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: Say less. Let me get right. He read it right now.
[1:16:18] Speaker 3: He read it right now.
[1:16:20] Speaker 2: He was in Africa.
[1:16:22] Speaker 3: Four times. Crawling like this. I didn't want.
[1:16:25] Speaker 2: To say it yesterday.
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: He was like, I need to quit.
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: No, you tried to.
[1:16:28] Speaker 3: Quit four times. The Marine didn't know. You can grab
[1:16:35] Speaker 3: my shit and get your ass back.
[1:16:38] Speaker 8: One thing I saw, I watched that Battle Mode shit.
[1:16:42] Speaker 8: One thing you cannot do.
[1:16:44] Speaker 3: Motherfucker, move laterally, man. I ain't crazy.
[1:16:47] Speaker 4: Who crazy?
[1:16:49] Speaker 3: Move laterally?
[1:16:50] Speaker 2: You can't move laterally right now. I'm crazy.
[1:16:52] Speaker 3: Motherfucker, me shot. I'm in a championship. Nigga, you playing
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: against niggas who... I could.
[1:16:58] Speaker 8: Go out there and average a double-double. I ain't played
[1:17:01] Speaker 8: basketball in 15 years.
[1:17:04] Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I can dunk on that nigga?
[1:17:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:17:09] Speaker 3: I can throw it up. I still got your hook, man.
[1:17:11] Speaker 3: You can still dunk? Yes. With ease. Two hands? That's crazy. Huh?
[1:17:14] Speaker 2: With ease.
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: Multiple in a row. A monkey dunk is real? Yeah, still.
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: Can you still dunk? I can dunk at 32, brother.
[1:17:22] Speaker 3: You can dunk?
[1:17:22] Speaker 2: I couldn't touch the backboard. I probably could tap.
[1:17:26] Speaker 3: I know you can't dunk. You couldn't dunk back in
[1:17:27] Speaker 3: the day.
[1:17:27] Speaker 4: I can still dunk.
[1:17:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, I can bounce this. Stop playing. You already done.
[1:17:33] Speaker 3: Stop playing. Nick.
[1:17:34] Speaker 8: Nick, you do, I am still 6'9, right? No matter
[1:17:38] Speaker 8: where I go, I'm still 6'9.
[1:17:42] Speaker 3: That's dunking. Yeah, Chad, we killing time because somebody coming in.
[1:17:45] Speaker 8: Yeah, because I work from here. Yeah, of course, I
[1:17:48] Speaker 8: can go from here, motherfucker, jump this out off the ground, motherfucker,
[1:17:51] Speaker 8: to there. Yeah, that's still dunking. This is called vamping, Chad.
[1:17:56] Speaker 2: This is a vamp. This is called intermission.
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: Somebody get, what's the name?
[1:18:00] Speaker 2: Mic'd up.
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: We got special guests coming through the arena. But one
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: more quick question about KD. So you guys said that
[1:18:05] Speaker 1: the Spurs are a playoff team with KD on the Spurs.
[1:18:08] Speaker 1: Are they a championship level team with KD Durant?
[1:18:13] Speaker 3: Just with him?
[1:18:14] Speaker 2: Probably not.
[1:18:15] Speaker 8: We got to see what else. But why you just
[1:18:17] Speaker 8: can't leave that a playoff team?
[1:18:18] Speaker 3: Let's start there.
[1:18:22] Speaker 2: You have Victor Wimbiyama, generational talent.
[1:18:24] Speaker 9: We got to let him turn into what he's supposed
[1:18:27] Speaker 9: to turn into.
[1:18:28] Speaker 11: He out there with Shaolin Monks.
[1:18:31] Speaker 2: Shaolin Monks, learning the way of the highway.
[1:18:36] Speaker 3: I don't know. LeBron leave.
[1:18:38] Speaker 2: It's just Luka, baby.
[1:18:39] Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck where LeBron is. I don't
[1:18:41] Speaker 3: care where they go. That's his guy. I don't give
[1:18:43] Speaker 3: a fuck where they could be. I'm just saying that
[1:18:45] Speaker 3: I am. My Lakers could be a championship. Moving onward, we.
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: Have a special guest making his return to the arena.
[1:18:58] Speaker 1: One of the greatest hoopers to ever come out of
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Former third overall pick out of the University
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: of California at Los Angeles who went on to play
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: 13 seasons in the league where he was a two-time All-Star.
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: Now you can catch him doing his podcasting with Draymond Green.
[1:19:12] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Baron Davis has returned to.
[1:19:17] Speaker 3: The arena. What's up, Big Daddy? What's up, Big Daddy?
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: You gotta sub me out, man. You gotta sub you out.
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: Gil got a flight to catch.
[1:19:28] Speaker 2: Gil has a flight to catch. We got an OG
[1:19:30] Speaker 2: in the building.
[1:19:30] Speaker 3: We're doing a quick sub out. Beat. Man, I.
[1:19:41] Speaker 2: Gil out, BD in.
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: Hey, I think I broke my toe going up the stairs, bro. Lawsuit.
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: You know what you can get? You know what you
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: can get for a slip and fall like this?
[1:19:53] Speaker 2: BD, what's going down with you?
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: What's up, big dog?
[1:19:55] Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thank you for pulling up to the arena.
[1:19:57] Speaker 3: What's up, man?
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: Got a legend in the building.
[1:19:59] Speaker 3: Don't put me by this dude.
[1:20:02] Speaker 2: Gil has the same effect.
[1:20:03] Speaker 3: Damn, you got me....
[1:20:07] Speaker 2: What up, kid?
[1:20:08] Speaker 3: What up, my dude? Just one time. Oh, man, what's
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: going on?
[1:20:16] Speaker 1: But a lot to get into. Before we do, though, obviously,
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: entrepreneur as well as Uber. You got a lot of business,
[1:20:21] Speaker 1: a lot of things that you do. So can you
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: tell us about this Hall of Fame you're building out
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: called History of the Game?
[1:20:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, man. I'm excited because it's been a project of passion.
[1:20:33] Speaker 3: I think everybody who played in the league got game.
[1:20:37] Speaker 3: And everybody should be in the Hall of Fame. I
[1:20:39] Speaker 3: think when you make it to the NBA, that's like
[1:20:41] Speaker 3: the pinnacle. And it's not the ending part of your journey.
[1:20:45] Speaker 3: So History of the Game is really a storytelling museum
[1:20:48] Speaker 3: where every player gets to tell their story. They get
[1:20:51] Speaker 3: to talk to their fans. They get to present their merchandise.
[1:20:56] Speaker 3: And so it's like, how can we all be on
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: one platform where people can go and look up stats
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: for debates? Ask the AI, we got AI. So for me,
[1:21:08] Speaker 3: it was just like, how can I include everybody? Because
[1:21:11] Speaker 3: everybody got a dope story. You may not have had
[1:21:15] Speaker 3: like the most storied NBA career, but you may have
[1:21:17] Speaker 3: had a crazy college career, a crazy high school career,
[1:21:20] Speaker 3: a street ball. And so basketball need a platform and
[1:21:25] Speaker 3: everybody got a voice and got a dope story. And
[1:21:27] Speaker 3: so I built this platform so I can just know
[1:21:31] Speaker 3: more about everybody as a fan. You know what I mean?
[1:21:34] Speaker 3: That's dope. A friend of mine says this quote and
[1:21:41] Speaker 3: it's true. Every NBA player is Michael Jordan in their hometown.
[1:21:45] Speaker 8: No matter where you're from, you are in your high school.
[1:21:50] Speaker 8: If you make it to the NBA, you are that.
[1:21:53] Speaker 8: Some places more than others, like Los Angeles, a lot
[1:21:55] Speaker 8: of you guys. There's a lot of small towns, small
[1:21:57] Speaker 8: cities around here that that person is Michael Jordan in
[1:22:00] Speaker 8: his hometown.
[1:22:00] Speaker 2: So to your point, it's a great platform.
[1:22:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, especially like where you're from and your story, like
[1:22:06] Speaker 3: a lot of people pioneering and like are groundbreaking dudes
[1:22:09] Speaker 3: coming out, you know, coming out their region, coming out
[1:22:12] Speaker 3: of Dallas. You look and say, okay, who came after me?
[1:22:16] Speaker 3: So they give us a chance to also highlight the
[1:22:19] Speaker 3: dudes from our area, the dudes who made it, make it,
[1:22:23] Speaker 3: the dudes who probably went to college that you hoop with,
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: but it's just for us to start highlighting people in
[1:22:31] Speaker 3: our culture. That's a part of our story, but also
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: got dope stories they sell. How many times you see documentaries?
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: Your documentary just came out. It did.
[1:22:40] Speaker 2: Memes and Nightmares.
[1:22:43] Speaker 3: I want to go to one place and watch all
[1:22:45] Speaker 3: that shit, knowing that it's coming from basketball, knowing it's
[1:22:48] Speaker 3: coming from the people who kind of pioneered culture, so
[1:22:52] Speaker 3: That's what I've been working on, man. I'm back outside.
[1:22:55] Speaker 3: What's up, my boy?
[1:22:57] Speaker 1: BD is back outside. So, BD, obviously, you're L.A. basketball
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: world team. One of the greatest players to come out
[1:23:02] Speaker 1: of the city.
[1:23:03] Speaker 2: No. So, don't do that.
[1:23:05] Speaker 3: I ain't going to say that.
[1:23:06] Speaker 2: I'm chilling, bro. Just let me live. Bro, I'm just
[1:23:09] Speaker 2: looking at him like, yo, what? That's crazy.
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: So, BD, one of the greatest players to come out
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, obviously basketball royalty out here, revered. Whenever
[1:23:18] Speaker 1: I walk to the Crossroads Gym, I got to see
[1:23:20] Speaker 1: the big jersey hanging up. You know, we try to
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: give y'all work. We usually fall short. But nonetheless, who's
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: the best hooper to come out of L.A. that didn't
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: make it to the league, in your opinion, that you've
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: seen in your time?
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: I mean, you would have to say, I would say, like,
[1:23:34] Speaker 3: Kenny Bruner should have made it. Shea Cotton should have
[1:23:39] Speaker 3: made it. Corey Benjamin should have had a much better career. Damn,
[1:23:48] Speaker 3: who else? It's a bunch of dudes, man. Tito Maddox
[1:23:51] Speaker 3: should have had a better career. Yeah, we were talking
[1:23:53] Speaker 3: about Tito on playback recently. Yeah, Tito should have. Evan Barnes.
[1:23:59] Speaker 3: Evan Barnes. Y'all great. He should have been there. Man,
[1:24:04] Speaker 3: there's so many dudes that should have made it. I
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: feel like Ed O'Bannon should have had a better career.
[1:24:09] Speaker 3: Charles O'Bannon should have had a better opportunity. Not a
[1:24:13] Speaker 3: better career, but a better opportunity. You know, for so long, L.A.
[1:24:17] Speaker 3: used to get hated on. You know, until, like I
[1:24:20] Speaker 3: would say, our generation came along.
[1:24:22] Speaker 1: I heard Corey Benjamin mention, I believe. Yeah, no, we
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: played in the AAU tournament. When I came out here
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: in high school, we played in Long Beach. And like
[1:24:30] Speaker 1: I said... People thought I came up with the shit. Like,
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: people coming at me like I started, like, L.A. Hoopers
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: was soft. No, that's just what we heard. You said
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: we had backyards.
[1:24:39] Speaker 3: Y'all did. Palm trees and shit. Not big.
[1:24:41] Speaker 2: Y'all were a gangbang.
[1:24:43] Speaker 3: Y'all can't. I remember when y'all came out here. No,
[1:24:46] Speaker 3: but it wasn't like. No, but dudes could really good
[1:24:49] Speaker 3: at basketball. So, to his point, I'm pretty sure there
[1:24:51] Speaker 3: are dudes that there, that hoop, that. Like, every fucking
[1:24:55] Speaker 3: place that you've been, some guys that's like that, right? Yeah.
[1:24:58] Speaker 8: Trust me, around my weight. To your point you just made,
[1:25:01] Speaker 8: I was just tall, man. I played hard. There were
[1:25:03] Speaker 8: some dudes that I was like, yo, how the hell
[1:25:06] Speaker 8: he ain't in somebody's college right now? Or why he
[1:25:09] Speaker 8: ain't in the league? I'm like, so, trust me, it's
[1:25:12] Speaker 8: all of that going on, man. You look at these dudes, man,
[1:25:16] Speaker 8: and you, when you're able to dissect the things that
[1:25:21] Speaker 8: maybe went left, right? You're able to look at it
[1:25:24] Speaker 8: and be like, yeah. So for me, mine was Most
[1:25:29] Speaker 8: of the dudes that's around the way, we ain't got grades, right?
[1:25:32] Speaker 8: You grew up in inner city, grades ain't important. SAT,
[1:25:34] Speaker 8: ACT was a real thing. So a lot of dudes
[1:25:38] Speaker 8: had to go to junior college where I'm from. And
[1:25:40] Speaker 8: it was going to junior college within driving distance to Dallas.
[1:25:45] Speaker 8: My thing was, whether it was a semester or a
[1:25:49] Speaker 8: full school year, them dudes was always back and they
[1:25:52] Speaker 8: never left. When they come home, they drive home for
[1:25:55] Speaker 8: a weekend and never go back. Shit like that. So
[1:25:57] Speaker 8: my thing was, I know I ain't got my grades,
[1:26:00] Speaker 8: but whatever I got to do to get the fuck
[1:26:02] Speaker 8: out of Dallas.
[1:26:02] Speaker 2: I got to do that.
[1:26:04] Speaker 3: Because this is what I've seen, right? I can't be
[1:26:06] Speaker 3: in driving distance to Dallas. I knew that. So two
[1:26:09] Speaker 3: weeks after I graduated, I was on a plane. I
[1:26:11] Speaker 3: was in Cincinnati. Bingo.
[1:26:13] Speaker 8: So you learn from the people that came before you
[1:26:16] Speaker 8: that was more talented than you were. what opportunities might
[1:26:20] Speaker 8: have missed them. So you learn from that shit, man.
[1:26:22] Speaker 8: But nah, that's dope platform, man. That's dope ideas. Y'all
[1:26:26] Speaker 8: motherfuckers can hoop out here. I ain't never took nothing
[1:26:28] Speaker 8: away from you. I need to be in part two.
[1:26:31] Speaker 3: Huh? I need to be in part two. The what?
[1:26:33] Speaker 2: The show.
[1:26:34] Speaker 3: Oh, the show. Come on, man. I'm waiting for you.
[1:26:36] Speaker 3: I already wrote. Man. I wrote your episode. You know,
[1:26:39] Speaker 3: let's do it. WTF, man. Yeah, he blessed me on
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: the WTF. He had one of the highest performing episodes.
[1:26:46] Speaker 3: He a real actor. Goddamn clown. His environment. His fucking...
[1:26:53] Speaker 3: Can we get the arena on the show? Man, can
[1:26:56] Speaker 3: we get the whole arena? Let's do an arena episode.
[1:26:58] Speaker 3: We would.
[1:26:59] Speaker 1: I need my sag right though, unfortunately.
[1:27:02] Speaker 3: So you talk about.
[1:27:06] Speaker 2: Building the history of the game. Are you going to
[1:27:08] Speaker 2: charge him the daily rate?
[1:27:09] Speaker 3: Damn, damn, Joe. I'm union. I can't get booted.
[1:27:12] Speaker 2: I can't get booted.
[1:27:13] Speaker 3: I'm union. I can't get booted. I'm union. I can't
[1:27:14] Speaker 3: get booted.
[1:27:14] Speaker 2: I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:15] Speaker 3: I'm union. I'm union. I'm union. I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:16] Speaker 3: I'm union. I'm union. I'm union. I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:18] Speaker 3: I'm union.
[1:27:18] Speaker 4: I'm union.
[1:27:19] Speaker 3: I'm union. I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:20] Speaker 6: I'm union.
[1:27:20] Speaker 1: I'm union.
[1:27:20] Speaker 3: I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: I'm union.
[1:27:21] Speaker 3: I'm union. I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:22] Speaker 2: I'm union.
[1:27:22] Speaker 3: I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:23] Speaker 2: I'm union.
[1:27:24] Speaker 3: I'm union.
[1:27:24] Speaker 2: I'm union.
[1:27:24] Speaker 3: I'm union. I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:25] Speaker 2: I'm union.
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: I'm union. I'm union. I'm union. I'm union. I'm union.
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: I But how much are players concerned about their legacy
[1:27:37] Speaker 1: and how much should they be?
[1:27:39] Speaker 3: I think you always, I mean, your legacy going to
[1:27:43] Speaker 3: live as long as you live. And whatever imprint you
[1:27:46] Speaker 3: put on people, that's kind of like how it's going
[1:27:49] Speaker 3: to get carried. I think, you know, your legacy is important,
[1:27:55] Speaker 3: but it's also like the circumstances. Not everybody's going to
[1:27:59] Speaker 3: get the blessing and shoot the ball or come in
[1:28:04] Speaker 3: and be an asshole. You know, it's like, damn, this
[1:28:08] Speaker 3: dude get to be an asshole and I don't, right?
[1:28:11] Speaker 3: You know, it's so much shit that's weighed into it.
[1:28:14] Speaker 3: But I think it's going back to what Kmart is saying.
[1:28:17] Speaker 3: It's like, you already the Michael Jordan in your neighborhood.
[1:28:21] Speaker 3: You already the Michael Jordan in your city or your family.
[1:28:23] Speaker 3: So I think it is important, especially like, you know,
[1:28:27] Speaker 3: we living in a stat era. And so stats and
[1:28:32] Speaker 3: where you gonna rank, all that shit, you know, the
[1:28:34] Speaker 3: way I'm looking at points now is just making me
[1:28:36] Speaker 3: think but what kind of game did they have? So
[1:28:42] Speaker 3: I think that's a big part of your legacy, especially
[1:28:45] Speaker 3: thinking about history of the game, is what's your style?
[1:28:48] Speaker 3: What's your story? What's your journey that people can identify
[1:28:52] Speaker 3: and be like, oh shit, Norris Cole, I already know
[1:28:56] Speaker 3: how you get down. Now I want to learn your story.
[1:29:01] Speaker 3: And so I think this generation, they out there hooping,
[1:29:06] Speaker 3: but they also like, they playing team ball. Real good
[1:29:11] Speaker 3: team ball. Real good team basketball, but a lot of
[1:29:14] Speaker 3: these dudes need to start thinking about how to carve
[1:29:18] Speaker 3: out a nickname or a personality even in the smaller
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: roles that they had because that's kind of like how
[1:29:24] Speaker 3: we had to come up. We had to make a
[1:29:26] Speaker 3: name for who you were, so you can even get
[1:29:30] Speaker 3: on the court. You can even get, you know, you
[1:29:33] Speaker 3: can even get signed. So, I think these dudes need
[1:29:36] Speaker 3: to go ahead.
[1:29:37] Speaker 4: You don't think they should master, work on mastering their
[1:29:39] Speaker 4: craft first before they worry about their legacy? Like, I
[1:29:43] Speaker 4: worry about the game first, and then the game organically,
[1:29:46] Speaker 4: some certain things that happen. Obviously, you got off-the-court stuff
[1:29:48] Speaker 4: you can do, like social media, but as far as
[1:29:51] Speaker 4: in the context of sport, like, worry about your game first.
[1:29:53] Speaker 4: When you worry about your game, the legacy part will
[1:29:55] Speaker 4: take care of itself. Because that's Like you said, I
[1:29:59] Speaker 4: didn't have the success you had, but, like, where I'm from,
[1:30:01] Speaker 4: the journey that I had, people saw me from being, like,
[1:30:03] Speaker 4: a regular average dude to being, like, a star, and
[1:30:07] Speaker 4: they appreciated that, and I never thought about what my
[1:30:09] Speaker 4: legacy was going to be. All I was doing was
[1:30:11] Speaker 4: getting up every day, lifting weights, running, my weight vest, shooting,
[1:30:14] Speaker 4: and then somehow, you know, my game helped develop, and people,
[1:30:19] Speaker 4: you know, recognized it. I wasn't trying to make them
[1:30:21] Speaker 4: recognize it. I was just trying to be the best
[1:30:23] Speaker 4: I could be, and success happened, and I think some
[1:30:25] Speaker 4: guys is trying to They trying to, you know, be
[1:30:29] Speaker 4: a legend before they putting their work in.
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: Go ahead, Sean.
[1:30:32] Speaker 7: I believe strongly that people think that legacy has something.
[1:30:35] Speaker 2: To do with recognition.
[1:30:37] Speaker 3: Say it again.
[1:30:38] Speaker 7: Has something to do with recognition. But it doesn't. Legacy
[1:30:42] Speaker 7: writes itself. As I move and walk through this earth,
[1:30:46] Speaker 7: what I do and who I touch and who I
[1:30:48] Speaker 7: experience is a part of my legacy. When I'm done
[1:30:51] Speaker 7: doing what I'm doing and I can have a memory
[1:30:54] Speaker 7: about it, That's my legacy.
[1:30:56] Speaker 3: Everybody I touch, my family, kids, all that shit.
[1:30:58] Speaker 7: Like you said, if you're focused on a pre-written message
[1:31:03] Speaker 7: of this is what I want to be and you
[1:31:05] Speaker 7: come up short, that's disappointment. If it's right in itself
[1:31:09] Speaker 7: as you go and you know where you want to go.
[1:31:12] Speaker 7: You're going to leave the legacy. You're just going to
[1:31:15] Speaker 7: look behind.
[1:31:16] Speaker 6: And be like, yo, I left all this. It's okay
[1:31:18] Speaker 6: to be disappointed. If you're trying to reach some shit,
[1:31:21] Speaker 6: it's okay if you.
[1:31:21] Speaker 3: Don't miss it.
[1:31:22] Speaker 7: That's a part of your legacy. Your legacy is disappointment.
[1:31:25] Speaker 7: I didn't make it in the NBA. Does that mean
[1:31:29] Speaker 7: that I don't have a legacy? Maybe not in the NBA.
[1:31:32] Speaker 2: No, but your legacy is what you make it, right?
[1:31:34] Speaker 8: It's what you make it and it's unfortunate that we
[1:31:38] Speaker 8: just keep going back to... The media space is great nowadays,
[1:31:42] Speaker 8: but it's unfortunate that the younger generation sees only success, right?
[1:31:50] Speaker 8: Everything is about a double click, a like, or a view.
[1:31:54] Speaker 4: Or manipulating stats.
[1:31:55] Speaker 8: So they manipulate numbers and view, whatever it is, to
[1:31:58] Speaker 8: make it seem like, okay, this person is successful, or
[1:32:01] Speaker 8: this is right now. So they don't, like just for Norris' point,
[1:32:06] Speaker 8: from Dayton, right?
[1:32:09] Speaker 3: Yep.
[1:32:10] Speaker 8: How many people from Dayton before you made it to
[1:32:13] Speaker 8: the NBA that you could touch, that.
[1:32:15] Speaker 2: You knew directly?
[1:32:15] Speaker 4: I had my teammate, Daquan Cook.
[1:32:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, that was right before you? He was one and done.
[1:32:19] Speaker 4: No, I wasn't one and done. That was the first
[1:32:20] Speaker 4: person I saw.
[1:32:21] Speaker 3: That you seen, right?
[1:32:22] Speaker 4: That got drafted.
[1:32:23] Speaker 2: He's your peer.
[1:32:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, that I saw.
[1:32:24] Speaker 2: But before you, there was... There was some back in
[1:32:26] Speaker 2: the day, yeah. But not directly that you could touch.
[1:32:28] Speaker 4: None that I could touch and see.
[1:32:30] Speaker 2: So him is just a journey, right?
[1:32:32] Speaker 3: Yeah. He don't know where he's going to end up, right?
[1:32:35] Speaker 3: For a lot of dudes nowadays....
[1:32:38] Speaker 2: And there's some dudes that were like, I'm going to
[1:32:41] Speaker 2: the NBA.
[1:32:42] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:32:42] Speaker 8: This is, I wasn't one of them. Nor was I
[1:32:46] Speaker 8: one of them. I'm pretty sure the NBA was the
[1:32:47] Speaker 8: end goal for you because y'all grew up around certain
[1:32:50] Speaker 8: environments and certain things and certain people, so it was tangible.
[1:32:54] Speaker 8: It ain't that way for a lot of dudes or
[1:32:55] Speaker 8: a lot of people, but... prior nowadays it's right in
[1:32:59] Speaker 8: your face everything is right in your face so everybody
[1:33:03] Speaker 8: think it's fucking tangible right right then when you don't
[1:33:06] Speaker 8: get it to your point nick the disappointment comes in
[1:33:10] Speaker 8: and they don't know how to deal with it because
[1:33:11] Speaker 8: everything has you been posting and everybody been liking it
[1:33:15] Speaker 8: and fucking viewing it and you think that's to your
[1:33:17] Speaker 8: point They think that is their legacy and success, right?
[1:33:22] Speaker 3: But it's not.
[1:33:22] Speaker 7: And I say this about the failure part. I will
[1:33:25] Speaker 7: be the testimony and the example of what a failure
[1:33:28] Speaker 7: is and what it looks like and how you redemption,
[1:33:31] Speaker 7: the redemption story of that, how the comeback story for that,
[1:33:33] Speaker 7: how the perception of that looks. My mom and my daddy,
[1:33:37] Speaker 7: they cussing right now because my daddy's like, you ain't
[1:33:39] Speaker 7: never been no fucking failure.
[1:33:41] Speaker 2: But I failed the mission. I had a mission. I
[1:33:44] Speaker 2: failed the mission. But I'm not going to say I'm
[1:33:47] Speaker 2: a failure.
[1:33:48] Speaker 7: But the perception that's pushed out based on the success
[1:33:51] Speaker 7: I'm having with the show is that I'm still a
[1:33:54] Speaker 7: failure because I can't be accepted as a success. This
[1:33:57] Speaker 7: is success. Being with y'all. Y'all, to me, were success stories.
[1:34:02] Speaker 7: You played longer than me. You did more than me.
[1:34:04] Speaker 7: I look up to y'all success stories. But when people
[1:34:07] Speaker 7: look at me, they're like, you're not supposed.
[1:34:08] Speaker 3: To be there.
[1:34:10] Speaker 7: You ain't do enough. But I tell them. But I
[1:34:14] Speaker 7: tell them. But we still have a story. But we
[1:34:16] Speaker 7: still have a story. But we still have a story.
[1:34:20] Speaker 3: That is never happening. You want a national championship? We
[1:34:24] Speaker 3: all have stories, though. We all have stories. Your redemption
[1:34:29] Speaker 3: story is crazy.
[1:34:30] Speaker 4: Everybody got to watch you.
[1:34:32] Speaker 2: But we talk about the perception.
[1:34:34] Speaker 3: The perception of how everybody look.
[1:34:36] Speaker 7: They don't want to hear that story because it's not popular.
[1:34:38] Speaker 3: New kids don't want to be like, You ain't me.
[1:34:40] Speaker 3: Who is who? You ain't him.
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: Speaking of somebody who never made the league, I got
[1:34:47] Speaker 1: a profound amount of respect for all you gentlemen, everything
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: that you accomplished. And I think at the end of
[1:34:50] Speaker 1: the day, it's really how other hoopers feel about each
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: other and the respect that you got to give for them.
[1:34:54] Speaker 1: But let's keep this thing moving because we do got
[1:34:56] Speaker 1: NBA finals to talk about.
[1:34:58] Speaker 2: We got B.B.
[1:34:58] Speaker 1: On the couch. Very curious to get your perspective on
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: how this finals has panned out. So in game four,
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: Thunder bounced back from a 10-point second-half deficit. SGA scoring
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: 15 of their last 16 points to get the win
[1:35:08] Speaker 1: and even the series.
[1:35:10] Speaker 2: MVP finished with 35 points.
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: OKC went on a 12-1 run to end the fourth quarter,
[1:35:14] Speaker 1: improving to 6-0 in games following a loss in this playoffs.
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: Heading into Game 5, the Pacers also had a loss
[1:35:20] Speaker 1: back-to-back games this postseason, pulled up to OKC, looking to
[1:35:24] Speaker 1: keep that streak going. But the Thunders dynamic duo had
[1:35:26] Speaker 1: other plans as Jalen Williams joined some elite company with
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: a scoring explosion to lift OKC to their first lead
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: in this final series. Let's take a look at the
[1:35:34] Speaker 1: highlights if we can, please.
[1:35:35] Speaker 3: Paolo.
[1:35:37] Speaker 1: So both offenses got right to it on this one
[1:35:39] Speaker 1: with the Thunder throwing the first punch, going on an
[1:35:41] Speaker 1: 11-0 run to take a 10-point lead. OKC scored 16
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: of their first 22 points in the paint. Thunder went
[1:35:47] Speaker 1: three for 16 from deep in game four, but were
[1:35:50] Speaker 1: four of six from three in the first quarter alone
[1:35:53] Speaker 1: of this game. The Thunder defense was locked in as well,
[1:35:56] Speaker 1: forcing seven turnovers in the first frame.
[1:36:01] Speaker 3: First down the last two minutes.
[1:36:03] Speaker 1: Cason Wallace doing his thing as well. A scary moment
[1:36:07] Speaker 1: for the Pacers. Hallie headed to the locker room and
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: had a wraparound. His leg when he came back to
[1:36:11] Speaker 1: the floor while dealing with right calf tightness. Hallie went
[1:36:14] Speaker 1: scoreless in the first half, did not make a field
[1:36:16] Speaker 1: goal in the game for the first time in his
[1:36:18] Speaker 1: postseason career. Had 4.7 rebounds, 6 assists, and 34 minutes
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: of action. Aaron Wiggins and Cason Wallace each hit three
[1:36:24] Speaker 1: threes in the first half of the Thunder. They combined
[1:36:27] Speaker 1: for 25 points off the bench, 7 for 11 from
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: beyond the arc. Jalen Williams and SGA kept OKC in
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: control through the first two quarters. J-Dub had 16, MVP
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: added 13, and the Thunder took a 14-point lead. Into
[1:36:39] Speaker 1: the break, Pacers came out swinging in the third quarter.
[1:36:41] Speaker 1: TJ McConnell, OB Toppin doing their part to keep them
[1:36:44] Speaker 1: within reach. McConnell scored 13 of his 18 points in
[1:36:47] Speaker 1: the third frame, going 6 of 7 from the field
[1:36:49] Speaker 1: in that span, while Toppin had 7 of his 12
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: points in the quarter. Indiana went on a run midway
[1:36:54] Speaker 1: through the third to cut the lead to single digits,
[1:36:57] Speaker 1: but OKC's duo withstood the comeback. with SGA and Jalen
[1:37:00] Speaker 1: Williams combining. We're 22 of OKC's 28 points in the
[1:37:04] Speaker 1: third quarter. So with the Thunder leading by eight, heading
[1:37:07] Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter, Pacer continued to chip away at
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: the deficit. Pascal Siakam caught fire in the final frame,
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: scoring 14 of his 28 points, going a perfect five
[1:37:15] Speaker 1: for five from the field in that span. So Siakam
[1:37:19] Speaker 1: hit a big three. to cut the Thunder lead to
[1:37:21] Speaker 1: two as the Pacers look to mount another late comeback
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: similar to game one. That's the closest Indiana would get.
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: OKC responded with an 8-2 run to push their lead
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: back to six. Then followed that up with another 11-0
[1:37:33] Speaker 1: run shortly thereafter. Meanwhile, the Pacers have turnovers on four
[1:37:36] Speaker 1: straight possessions as the Thunder capitalized to push their lead
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: to 16.
[1:37:40] Speaker 2: So Jalen Williams.
[1:37:42] Speaker 1: Led OKC with a playoff career high 40 points, along
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: with six rebounds and four assists. 14-25 from the field,
[1:37:48] Speaker 1: 3-5 from deep, 9-12 from the line. J.W., the fifth
[1:37:51] Speaker 1: youngest player with a 40-ball in a finals game in
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: NBA history. with only Magic, Rick Barry, Russell Westbrook, and
[1:37:57] Speaker 1: Jerry West doing it at a younger age. SGA added
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: 31 points, 10 assists, 4 blocks, and 3 steals. It
[1:38:04] Speaker 1: was his 12th game this postseason with at least 30
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: and 5 assists, passing MJ and LeBron for the most
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: in NBA history in a single postseason run. Thunder forced
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: 23 turnovers in the game, scoring 32 points off those
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: Pacers miscues, giving the Pacers their first back-to-back losses of
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: this postseason. Now OKC is a game away from winning
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: their first chip in franchise history. So looking at this
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: game What are your biggest takeaways from Game 5 of
[1:38:27] Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, OKC taking a 3-1 lead in this series?
[1:38:36] Speaker 8: They look like they wanted it. They defending. They pushing
[1:38:42] Speaker 8: the tempo with the way they need it.
[1:38:45] Speaker 3: They look good, man. OKC look good. They... Jalen Williams
[1:38:49] Speaker 3: is the only way, man. I think they learned their lesson, right?
[1:38:52] Speaker 3: If you watch this game, it's very similar to game one.
[1:38:56] Speaker 3: They get up to a big lead, then Indiana come back.
[1:38:59] Speaker 3: They snatch that game. They look like they have more
[1:39:02] Speaker 3: of a sense of urgency. I think SGA not getting
[1:39:06] Speaker 3: enough credit on the defensive end in this series. He
[1:39:10] Speaker 3: was dominant the full game. We know he can get
[1:39:12] Speaker 3: to the bucket. I'm watching the game like, damn, Isaac.
[1:39:16] Speaker 3: special dudes can get to the front of the rim
[1:39:19] Speaker 3: Tony Parker was another one Russ you know James people
[1:39:23] Speaker 3: like that but like man the way this dude get
[1:39:26] Speaker 3: to the front of the rim he was just getting
[1:39:28] Speaker 3: downhill as he pick and choose and then role players
[1:39:31] Speaker 3: play better at home right so when they had that
[1:39:34] Speaker 3: pressure on I was saying the first half and everybody
[1:39:37] Speaker 3: was playing well they didn't panic when Indiana made their
[1:39:40] Speaker 3: run SGA J-Dub they took over and they just start
[1:39:45] Speaker 3: weighing them down and start making plays. And then you
[1:39:48] Speaker 3: see Halliburton on the other side of it, like damn
[1:39:52] Speaker 3: near like three times in a row, he got caught
[1:39:55] Speaker 3: in the middle, turned the ball over, and then that was,
[1:39:58] Speaker 3: you know, how they kind of ran away from it.
[1:40:00] Speaker 3: I like OKC.
[1:40:02] Speaker 8: But they cut it to two at the end of
[1:40:03] Speaker 8: the third, correct? No, they cut it to two in
[1:40:06] Speaker 8: the fourth quarter. That was on the time they cut
[1:40:08] Speaker 8: it to two? Yeah, they got it within like six,
[1:40:10] Speaker 8: I believe, in the third quarter, cut it to two.
[1:40:11] Speaker 8: That was a bad turnover. Yeah, like four of them. Yeah,
[1:40:16] Speaker 8: four in a row. Then I threw that bitch out
[1:40:18] Speaker 8: of bounds, man. It was at the end of the quarter,
[1:40:20] Speaker 8: I think. They were down short.
[1:40:22] Speaker 4: Yeah, no, but it's... They're establishing themselves as one of
[1:40:25] Speaker 4: the top duos. I would love to see Tatum and
[1:40:31] Speaker 4: Brown be healthy to go against these two now, because
[1:40:33] Speaker 4: they ready now. They could be a legendary duo if
[1:40:37] Speaker 4: they keep this up.
[1:40:38] Speaker 1: We talked yesterday about them being the comparisons to Scottie
[1:40:40] Speaker 1: and MJ just in terms of being a new age version.
[1:40:43] Speaker 2: Like y'all said, not so fast, but if.
[1:40:44] Speaker 1: They do go on to win a championship this year
[1:40:46] Speaker 1: based on what they've been able to put together.
[1:40:48] Speaker 3: That's a good take.
[1:40:50] Speaker 1: 84.
[1:40:50] Speaker 3: I mean, it's a good look.
[1:40:51] Speaker 2: 84-20, potentially.
[1:40:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good look like a new age. Like,
[1:40:55] Speaker 3: we're not saying he Mike or he Scotty, but just
[1:40:58] Speaker 3: like kind of how they dominating at the two and
[1:41:01] Speaker 3: the three position and really creating all the shots for
[1:41:04] Speaker 3: their team.
[1:41:04] Speaker 4: And they complement each other well.
[1:41:06] Speaker 3: Yeah. They don't get in each other's way. Did y'all
[1:41:08] Speaker 3: watch the game last night? Yeah.
[1:41:10] Speaker 2: So tell me how Indiana look offensively.
[1:41:13] Speaker 3: Slow.
[1:41:14] Speaker 2: Slow. When? What did you see? When?
[1:41:17] Speaker 8: When T.J. McConnell was in the game or when Halliburton
[1:41:21] Speaker 8: was in the game? No, it was a different ball game.
[1:41:23] Speaker 3: It was a different ball game. Yeah, they couldn't get
[1:41:27] Speaker 3: out and play with the pace that they usually play with.
[1:41:32] Speaker 8: But they started off in the half court, bro.
[1:41:34] Speaker 3: And everything was like a pick and roll and a shot.
[1:41:36] Speaker 3: It wasn't extra passing, getting in the... The floor was...
[1:41:40] Speaker 3: condensed for Indiana they kept shrinking the floor on them
[1:41:43] Speaker 3: I'll tell.
[1:41:43] Speaker 7: You what I noticed I'll tell you what I noticed
[1:41:46] Speaker 7: I noticed that OKC made the adjustment Rick thought he
[1:41:50] Speaker 7: could still keep keep his foot on the throat and
[1:41:53] Speaker 7: keep the same strategy that he has which is push
[1:41:56] Speaker 7: up play high yeah what was the adjustment for OKC
[1:42:00] Speaker 7: we're gonna play high too yeah we're gonna go back
[1:42:03] Speaker 7: door What did we do?
[1:42:05] Speaker 3: We took our.
[1:42:05] Speaker 7: Foot off the gas on the full-court press. Dort, we're
[1:42:08] Speaker 7: just going to let you tire him out because the
[1:42:10] Speaker 7: rest of these dudes, they're not like that. Now, what
[1:42:14] Speaker 7: I've seen is the offense for Indiana, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass,
[1:42:19] Speaker 7: no pass, no drive, no nothing. Halliburton gets in. That's
[1:42:22] Speaker 7: what I'm saying.
[1:42:23] Speaker 3: He finally gets in the paint, right?
[1:42:25] Speaker 2: And then he's nowhere to go.
[1:42:27] Speaker 3: The reason why is because they played five outs. Yep. Right?
[1:42:30] Speaker 2: You got no post presence.
[1:42:31] Speaker 7: Now, I think they want to go to the Dallas
[1:42:34] Speaker 7: shit where Siakam gets it at the free throw line.
[1:42:37] Speaker 7: They try to do it. But he wants to pass
[1:42:40] Speaker 7: the ball. He don't want to score it. And who's
[1:42:43] Speaker 7: guarding him? Jalen Williams just took in the challenge. I
[1:42:48] Speaker 7: think none of y'all can fuck with me. So I'm
[1:42:50] Speaker 7: going to show y'all. Because the second line of defense
[1:42:52] Speaker 7: is who? Siakam?
[1:42:54] Speaker 3: Nah.
[1:42:55] Speaker 2: I get past you. Boom. Who's going to take the
[1:42:57] Speaker 2: challenge for the Pacers?
[1:42:59] Speaker 3: Nope. Matherin? He off the bench. To your point, they've
[1:43:04] Speaker 3: been winning with pressure, with moving the ball, with being aggressive.
[1:43:14] Speaker 3: What they didn't have is they didn't have the driving lanes.
[1:43:19] Speaker 3: Nobody was getting downhill. Nembhard wasn't getting to his elbow shot.
[1:43:23] Speaker 2: What do we have to do as a team?
[1:43:24] Speaker 3: We have to adjust.
[1:43:27] Speaker 2: We have to adjust.
[1:43:28] Speaker 7: We have to now change the offense from Miles Turner
[1:43:31] Speaker 7: doing all this dribble handoff shit.
[1:43:33] Speaker 2: That's all we know. That's playoffs.
[1:43:35] Speaker 3: You got to start. You got to stick with your...
[1:43:36] Speaker 3: There's so much ball pressure from everybody.
[1:43:39] Speaker 2: The niggas starting their offense, damn it.
[1:43:42] Speaker 3: Taking it away. They're taking that away. We have to
[1:43:45] Speaker 3: change up. You got to get down there.
[1:43:47] Speaker 2: So now....
[1:43:49] Speaker 3: We don't have no alternative. We don't have no counter
[1:43:52] Speaker 3: for this shit. We just going to keep running our shit.
[1:43:54] Speaker 4: What can you do when you're getting pressured though? What
[1:43:56] Speaker 4: can you do when they pressuring you like that?
[1:43:57] Speaker 3: You got to go down here.
[1:43:58] Speaker 2: What's the other alternative?
[1:43:59] Speaker 3: Go down here. Who going to do that? Who going
[1:44:01] Speaker 3: to do that though? That's what I'm saying. Who on
[1:44:04] Speaker 3: their team can do that? Do what? Go downhill. Just
[1:44:11] Speaker 3: break some light.
[1:44:12] Speaker 2: TJ McDonald.
[1:44:14] Speaker 3: That's what you want your strategy be? No, you just
[1:44:16] Speaker 3: got to get in the lane. You just got to
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: get to the paint. Pressure, boom.
[1:44:20] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:44:20] Speaker 3: Obie Topper's not aggressive. All these guys not aggressive, though.
[1:44:26] Speaker 2: For real.
[1:44:27] Speaker 3: But OKC is doing to Indiana what Indiana did to
[1:44:30] Speaker 3: New York with Jalen Brunson. Make them set pick at Rose.
[1:44:34] Speaker 3: All the way up by half court. Right, make them
[1:44:37] Speaker 3: spread the floor so they can get the spacing they
[1:44:40] Speaker 3: need to get the driving angles. But then you see
[1:44:42] Speaker 3: in Indiana, they just taking a lot of jumpers. You're
[1:44:45] Speaker 3: not able to get down. It's hard to get downhill.
[1:44:49] Speaker 3: All the way out from half court with a pick
[1:44:51] Speaker 3: and roll, people can't recover that way.
[1:44:53] Speaker 7: See the adjustment. OKC, Harkistan, we're going to pull you out.
[1:44:57] Speaker 7: We're going to play five out with Chet in the corner.
[1:45:00] Speaker 7: Guess who our only defender is with Indiana? Guess who
[1:45:03] Speaker 7: he got to guard? He ain't at the rim no more.
[1:45:06] Speaker 7: We're driving all night. And you know who knows that?
[1:45:09] Speaker 2: The MVP. Hey, guys, Chet, stay there.
[1:45:12] Speaker 7: He got this. He got to figure out what he
[1:45:14] Speaker 7: want to do. And we know he don't want to
[1:45:16] Speaker 7: leave you.
[1:45:17] Speaker 4: The Pacers don't got nobody that can manipulate the defense
[1:45:20] Speaker 4: like that.
[1:45:20] Speaker 3: None of that.
[1:45:21] Speaker 4: And that's why they're going to lose the series.
[1:45:23] Speaker 7: They're not making adjustments. This is a coaching game now.
[1:45:25] Speaker 7: This is not a player game. They're going back home.
[1:45:28] Speaker 7: You know, you know, you know.
[1:45:30] Speaker 3: It's different back home. Y'all know what it is. Like,
[1:45:33] Speaker 3: you down 3-2. You going home. You know, what is
[1:45:35] Speaker 3: the Pacers? That's the weirdest ugly head yesterday. Like, weirdest
[1:45:39] Speaker 3: ugly head. I'm, I'm, I... I think the Pacers got
[1:45:44] Speaker 3: the gusto, you feel me?
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: So Gil's watching the show. He just FaceTimed me. Gil
[1:45:49] Speaker 1: wants to know a short question for you. Did you
[1:45:50] Speaker 1: say we as if you were talking about you being
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: a fan of OKC now?
[1:45:53] Speaker 3: So he ran to ask a FaceTime question? He's outside somewhere.
[1:46:11] Speaker 1: He's saying, you talked about, I feel like Shohei's interpreter,
[1:46:14] Speaker 1: but he's saying yesterday y'all felt like you didn't need
[1:46:16] Speaker 1: to adjust.
[1:46:17] Speaker 2: Now you're saying they need to adjust. I think Gil's
[1:46:19] Speaker 2: with you. And Gil is. Gil, are you outside?
[1:46:23] Speaker 3: Where are you at? The airport? Where are you at?
[1:46:26] Speaker 4: He declared for it.
[1:46:26] Speaker 2: He literally outside.
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: All right.
[1:46:28] Speaker 6: You're going to miss that flight regardless.
[1:46:32] Speaker 1: Hold on, Gil.
[1:46:32] Speaker 3: I'm putting you on speaker. Hold on one second.
[1:46:34] Speaker 2: He's going to miss his flight. For sure. I'm putting
[1:46:36] Speaker 2: you on speaker. Hold on one second.
[1:46:38] Speaker 3: All right, Gil.
[1:46:39] Speaker 2: I got you on speaker phone.
[1:46:41] Speaker 9: I think the question was yesterday, if you're Indiana, what
[1:46:45] Speaker 9: would you do to adjust? And I think me and
[1:46:47] Speaker 9: Kenyon pointed out that how they start off the first
[1:46:52] Speaker 9: quarter and they need TJ to come in and save them.
[1:46:57] Speaker 3: And I think Rashad and Nick said, we don't need
[1:47:02] Speaker 3: to adjust. That's the way we want to play our game.
[1:47:05] Speaker 3: Get down. Get down and come back.
[1:47:07] Speaker 2: We was talking about the bench line.
[1:47:11] Speaker 3: He didn't say nothing about T.J. He said when he leaves,
[1:47:14] Speaker 3: people want to talk regular.
[1:47:16] Speaker 2: They not.
[1:47:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all was what?
[1:47:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, he said corner boy.
[1:47:22] Speaker 3: He said corner boy. We're saying the second unit.
[1:47:25] Speaker 2: Let the second unit come in and do their job.
[1:47:26] Speaker 2: Come in and do their job, yeah. But she's down.
[1:47:29] Speaker 3: That's what he said yesterday.
[1:47:31] Speaker 4: First of all, we never said that.
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:47:36] Speaker 7: First of all, when niggas is losing in conversation, just
[1:47:39] Speaker 7: make up shit.
[1:47:40] Speaker 3: It's on film.
[1:47:41] Speaker 7: We literally like, bro, we like this tech and bitch
[1:47:44] Speaker 7: mob because we can bring us back if we down.
[1:47:47] Speaker 3: Got it. This is what we do. We come in
[1:47:49] Speaker 3: and stabilize. We're not saying we hope we down so
[1:47:52] Speaker 3: we can come up. Like, what the fuck?
[1:47:54] Speaker 2: That's what we were saying.
[1:47:55] Speaker 3: That's what Gil was saying.
[1:47:57] Speaker 2: I love that Gil's still watching the show.
[1:47:59] Speaker 3: Outside of McConnell, right? If you take what McConnell did,
[1:48:01] Speaker 3: and then you take what OKC Bench did, right? Then
[1:48:02] Speaker 3: it's like, who won the battle of the bench? And
[1:48:04] Speaker 3: that's also been the worst thing. Right. bench did, right?
[1:48:11] Speaker 3: Then it's like, who won the battle of the bench?
[1:48:14] Speaker 3: And that's also been... The way Wiggins played.
[1:48:19] Speaker 8: So I propose the question, right? If you Rick Carlisle,
[1:48:22] Speaker 8: do you start your best five? That's how I start.
[1:48:26] Speaker 2: Who's your best five?
[1:48:27] Speaker 3: With Toppin or Mathurin in the starting lineup. Over who?
[1:48:32] Speaker 3: Miles Turner. But you play different. You play Siakam at
[1:48:36] Speaker 3: the three? I play Siakam at the three. You playing who?
[1:48:39] Speaker 3: Matherin at the two. No, no, no.
[1:48:41] Speaker 2: No, I'm taking Neymar out the line. He's saying Matherin
[1:48:44] Speaker 2: at the two. I'm putting Matherin because Neymar can do
[1:48:46] Speaker 2: what he do anyway. I'm not saying anything.
[1:48:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're saying.
[1:48:48] Speaker 2: Mitchell Matherin is more talented than Neymar.
[1:48:50] Speaker 3: More athletic.
[1:48:51] Speaker 2: Matherin was starting. He was starting first. He got hurt.
[1:48:53] Speaker 2: He was starting. He was starting.
[1:48:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm rolling with Neymar right now.
[1:48:57] Speaker 2: But I'm saying Neymar can do it either. They're interchangeable though.
[1:49:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, nah. Matherin, I like him off the bench.
[1:49:02] Speaker 2: Matherin is 6'4.
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: He ain't no little point guard. They play at two points.
[1:49:06] Speaker 8: I posed the question, so that's how we got to
[1:49:08] Speaker 8: the conversation about making adjustments.
[1:49:11] Speaker 3: Pascal, OB, and Miles Turner in the front court. So
[1:49:14] Speaker 3: you're going big.
[1:49:15] Speaker 2: You want to play big. You want to play big.
[1:49:18] Speaker 8: To match OKC, that was my thought process because making
[1:49:21] Speaker 8: adjustments at this.
[1:49:23] Speaker 2: Point, it's game five, right?
[1:49:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense.
[1:49:25] Speaker 8: I got to do something different. We just lost a game.
[1:49:27] Speaker 8: We ain't lost two games yet.
[1:49:29] Speaker 3: Well, here's where Indiana fuck teams up. When teams go
[1:49:34] Speaker 3: small and Indiana goes small, they're always the bigger, smaller team.
[1:49:39] Speaker 3: I dig it. So you play into their hands. Except
[1:49:41] Speaker 3: this team.
[1:49:42] Speaker 2: Except this team.
[1:49:43] Speaker 3: Because you can play Brandon Williams at the four, Chet
[1:49:45] Speaker 3: at the five, and then you're still a smaller team.
[1:49:47] Speaker 3: But they won. They beat them twice like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right?
[1:49:51] Speaker 3: It was OKC who need to figure out how do
[1:49:55] Speaker 3: I get Harkin staying in check. They made the adjustment.
[1:49:59] Speaker 3: On the court, off the court, so I'm not getting hurt.
[1:50:02] Speaker 2: Take Harkin's guy off.
[1:50:03] Speaker 3: Because if you had a bigger lineup, you think if
[1:50:06] Speaker 3: Pascal at the five, Obi Toppin at the four, Obi
[1:50:10] Speaker 3: Toppin shoot the three out the corner, and he crashed. Yep.
[1:50:13] Speaker 3: So whoever at the four ain't crashing the... You know,
[1:50:16] Speaker 3: that's like Caruso. That's like, they ain't crashing the glass
[1:50:19] Speaker 3: like that. So I agree with your point is what
[1:50:22] Speaker 3: I'm saying because Indiana's best.
[1:50:26] Speaker 3: Their best weapon is to always try to make OKC
[1:50:31] Speaker 3: play bigger and then go small.
[1:50:33] Speaker 2: But OKC play fast.
[1:50:34] Speaker 3: That's the difference. Indiana play fast, too.
[1:50:37] Speaker 7: But they can't play that big lineup because they ain't
[1:50:40] Speaker 7: fast enough.
[1:50:41] Speaker 3: Indiana is fast enough. Not with that lineup.
[1:50:44] Speaker 8: Norris made a point yesterday, and he's stated that if
[1:50:47] Speaker 8: the Indiana Pacers don't score 110 points, they can't win.
[1:50:53] Speaker 1: They scored 109. So they may be in some serious
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: trouble heading into Game 6. Like we talked about, Tyrese
[1:50:57] Speaker 1: Halliburton had his worst game of the series while playing
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: through right calf tightness, going without a field goal, first
[1:51:01] Speaker 1: time in his playoff career. So after the game, Hallie
[1:51:04] Speaker 1: had this to say about his injury and status for
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: Game 6.
[1:51:06] Speaker 2: He wasn't supposed to say nothing.
[1:51:07] Speaker 3: I'm in the NBA Finals.
[1:51:09] Speaker 15: It's the Finals, man. I've worked my whole life to
[1:51:11] Speaker 15: be here. And I want to be out there to compete,
[1:51:14] Speaker 15: you know, help my teammates any way I can. You know,
[1:51:18] Speaker 15: I was not great tonight by any means, but, you know,
[1:51:22] Speaker 15: it's not really a thought of mine to not play here.
[1:51:25] Speaker 15: You know, if I can, you know, walk, then I
[1:51:29] Speaker 15: want to play. So, you know, they understand that and,
[1:51:33] Speaker 15: you know, it is what it is. And, you know,
[1:51:35] Speaker 15: got to be ready to go for game six.
[1:51:37] Speaker 2: So if I can walk, I would want to play.
[1:51:38] Speaker 1: After Hallie's presser, he was limping as he left.
[1:51:42] Speaker 3: The arena.
[1:51:42] Speaker 1: So it was reported today from Shams. Holly has a
[1:51:44] Speaker 1: strained right calf. We'll get an MRI today to determine
[1:51:48] Speaker 1: the severity of the injury.
[1:51:51] Speaker 3: That's the one. Like, there ain't nothing you can do.
[1:51:54] Speaker 3: You can't push off. You can't explode. You can't slide
[1:51:58] Speaker 3: on defense. You can't push off. And you know, everything
[1:52:02] Speaker 3: he do is pushing up to get to the bucket.
[1:52:05] Speaker 2: It might be better. Shams just said it might be
[1:52:07] Speaker 2: better off if you don't play.
[1:52:09] Speaker 3: I can see coming home, game six, you can find me.
[1:52:14] Speaker 2: You got the energy in the building.
[1:52:16] Speaker 3: You got the energy going to be in the building. TJ,
[1:52:19] Speaker 3: fuck it. Start TJ.
[1:52:20] Speaker 4: I wouldn't start TJ. Put in one of no other
[1:52:23] Speaker 4: dudes and let TJ stay where he at.
[1:52:24] Speaker 2: Because he gassed out yesterday.
[1:52:25] Speaker 4: Yeah, because he gassed out yesterday.
[1:52:26] Speaker 2: He gassed out.
[1:52:27] Speaker 3: So we wonder why he didn't put it back in
[1:52:28] Speaker 3: in three minutes, right?
[1:52:29] Speaker 2: You know why he gassed out?
[1:52:30] Speaker 3: Why? Because he fucking care. Well, that's fine.
[1:52:32] Speaker 9: But if he cared, he got to be, you know,
[1:52:34] Speaker 9: put it back in the three minutes.
[1:52:36] Speaker 2: You can only play your heart out.
[1:52:37] Speaker 3: You can only play your heart out. You can only
[1:52:39] Speaker 3: play your heart out.
[1:52:40] Speaker 2: You need four or five up and down.
[1:52:41] Speaker 3: No, no, no, sir. No, sir. No, not at all.
[1:52:55] Speaker 3: What he said, no. Hey, the state of Indiana. Not
[1:52:57] Speaker 3: if you're trying to. Hey, boy, why ain't that pick swing?
[1:53:01] Speaker 2: Why ain't that pick swing?
[1:53:03] Speaker 6: Hey, the state of Indiana don't give a damn about
[1:53:07] Speaker 6: your mid-Elastal assessments.
[1:53:09] Speaker 3: Have you ever driven on EV4?
[1:53:12] Speaker 2: Have you ever driven on EV4? Have you ever driven
[1:53:16] Speaker 2: on EV4?
[1:53:16] Speaker 3: NBA Finals. NBA Finals.
[1:53:17] Speaker 2: What's a breather? Can't get a breather?
[1:53:19] Speaker 1: No.
[1:53:19] Speaker 3: I'm a time machine.
[1:53:26] Speaker 11: You're not thinking about none of that.
[1:53:28] Speaker 4: He wasn't thinking about that either.
[1:53:30] Speaker 3: This is the finals.
[1:53:31] Speaker 2: This is the finals.
[1:53:32] Speaker 3: You're a champion. You got to get through that.
[1:53:34] Speaker 2: What you want him to do?
[1:53:35] Speaker 3: Play through it. Play through it.
[1:53:36] Speaker 2: Play through it.
[1:53:37] Speaker 3: What you want him to do? Go for broke. Carry
[1:53:39] Speaker 3: him off the court. All right, let me ask you this.
[1:53:41] Speaker 7: When you're doing your NBA 2K and your Gatorade bottle
[1:53:44] Speaker 7: all the way down, how does your motherfucking avatar move?
[1:53:47] Speaker 3: This ain't fucking 2K.
[1:53:48] Speaker 2: Oh, you don't know.
[1:53:50] Speaker 3: I don't play two games.
[1:53:51] Speaker 2: In real life. You call the time out. You answer.
[1:53:55] Speaker 3: You call the time out.
[1:53:56] Speaker 2: You got to sub him.
[1:53:57] Speaker 3: No. Hell no.
[1:53:59] Speaker 7: You don't keep playing with the dude on the Gatorade low.
[1:54:02] Speaker 3: You got to sub your player so he can get
[1:54:04] Speaker 3: some fatigue back.
[1:54:06] Speaker 16: You're not thinking about TJ McConnell having to carry your
[1:54:09] Speaker 16: team so if he gasped.
[1:54:36] Speaker 3: And it's four minutes to go. Oh, my God. We're
[1:54:38] Speaker 3: in trouble. Yeah, you're in trouble.
[1:54:40] Speaker 1: So they may be in trouble anyway. Highly strained right
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: calf says he wants to play. But if you're the Pacers,
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: you're probably better off.
[1:54:47] Speaker 3: No.
[1:54:47] Speaker 2: And potentially risks. But risks are more long.
[1:54:50] Speaker 3: You see how he look? If it's a grade, whatever,
[1:54:52] Speaker 3: then you evaluated from that. We've seen him play with
[1:54:55] Speaker 3: these strained calves. And that turns into a worse situation. Man.
[1:54:57] Speaker 4: Scary, though.
[1:54:58] Speaker 3: That ain't the move.
[1:54:59] Speaker 8: Season on the line, he going out there to play, unfortunately.
[1:55:01] Speaker 8: It depends on how bad it is.
[1:55:03] Speaker 11: He'll miss his whole next season and a half if
[1:55:05] Speaker 11: he go out there.
[1:55:05] Speaker 3: It's the severity of the sprain, strain, whatever it is.
[1:55:08] Speaker 2: I'll frame it like this.
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: You're in Hallie's position. Obviously, you got a chance to
[1:55:11] Speaker 1: win the NBA Finals down 3-2.
[1:55:13] Speaker 3: I'm playing.
[1:55:13] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm playing, too.
[1:55:15] Speaker 2: I'm playing.
[1:55:17] Speaker 4: But that's why it shouldn't be up to him, though.
[1:55:20] Speaker 2: Yep.
[1:55:21] Speaker 3: It shouldn't be up to him. I mean, it should...
[1:55:26] Speaker 3: Depending on the severity of the strength.
[1:55:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, what grade strength it is.
[1:55:29] Speaker 3: Right? If that man can't move or push off, I say, okay,
[1:55:33] Speaker 3: let him do the Willis read. We've seen that story.
[1:55:36] Speaker 3: We know that story. We know the basketball guys are
[1:55:39] Speaker 3: going to favor that story. Come out, hit a three,
[1:55:42] Speaker 3: do something, get him out, and then let's ride off
[1:55:44] Speaker 3: that momentum and see if somebody can catch a fly.
[1:55:48] Speaker 2: What if it's the opposite, though? You bring him out.
[1:55:50] Speaker 2: It gets worse.
[1:55:51] Speaker 3: Like I said, it depends on what you go two
[1:55:54] Speaker 3: minutes anyway. But you know what the MRI says first.
[1:55:57] Speaker 3: Because if it's grade level three out there, bitch, there's
[1:56:01] Speaker 3: no way. Because that's basically a fucking tear, right? If
[1:56:05] Speaker 3: it's three, it's basically a tear. I mean, you see
[1:56:08] Speaker 3: how he was moving out there. He was moving like
[1:56:11] Speaker 3: the injury was hot, but he couldn't really do nothing.
[1:56:14] Speaker 2: It's two days in between?
[1:56:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:56:15] Speaker 2: It's going to be three.
[1:56:16] Speaker 3: Oh, so that's... If you sit Thursday, you get the work.
[1:56:24] Speaker 3: You get this win on Thursday. You trust your team.
[1:56:27] Speaker 3: Then you get to game seven.
[1:56:28] Speaker 2: If he sit Thursday, he's going to be sitting down
[1:56:30] Speaker 2: for the rest of the game.
[1:56:31] Speaker 3: SGA is sending him home.
[1:56:33] Speaker 4: SGA is sending him home.
[1:56:34] Speaker 3: On the road?
[1:56:35] Speaker 2: Like that.
[1:56:37] Speaker 3: Indiana tough at home, bro. Indiana tough at home.
[1:56:40] Speaker 2: We saw what he.
[1:56:41] Speaker 3: Just did on Indiana.
[1:56:43] Speaker 4: We saw what SGA did last time he was in Indiana.
[1:56:45] Speaker 3: If Jalen gets another 40 ball, can he be final MVP? No.
[1:56:49] Speaker 2: Got cheated, though.
[1:56:50] Speaker 3: No, because I'm telling you, SGA got like four blocks
[1:56:54] Speaker 3: a game, three steals, five steals. Like, he doing everything.
[1:57:00] Speaker 3: Jason Taylor laid in all categories.
[1:57:02] Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jalen Williams a little bit because we'll
[1:57:04] Speaker 1: get into discussion. Jalen Williams, MVP of this game for
[1:57:07] Speaker 1: the Thunder.
[1:57:07] Speaker 3: Sure.
[1:57:08] Speaker 1: And after the game, league MVP SGA was asked how
[1:57:10] Speaker 1: much J-Dub playing at this level makes things easier for
[1:57:13] Speaker 1: him and had this to say.
[1:57:15] Speaker 3: A lot easier. Yeah.
[1:57:17] Speaker 14: Not only for myself, but for the rest of the guys.
[1:57:19] Speaker 14: He can shoulder a load. I've said this before. He
[1:57:23] Speaker 14: does so many things for us as a basketball team
[1:57:26] Speaker 14: on both ends of the floor when he's the best
[1:57:27] Speaker 14: version of himself. But, yeah, like you said, he was
[1:57:31] Speaker 14: great tonight. Makes the world of a difference when he's
[1:57:34] Speaker 14: that good for sure.
[1:57:35] Speaker 1: So, J-Dub came on strong in these past three games,
[1:57:38] Speaker 1: but his scoring is increasing every single game of this final.
[1:57:40] Speaker 2: 17 in game one, 19 in game two, 26 in
[1:57:41] Speaker 2: game three, 27 in game four, 40 ball. Thank you.
[1:57:45] Speaker 1: In Game 5, fifth youngest player in NBA history to
[1:57:48] Speaker 1: drop 40 in the NBA Finals game.
[1:57:49] Speaker 3: Don't get on me.
[1:57:50] Speaker 2: I'm here to call him a sidekick.
[1:57:52] Speaker 3: He is.
[1:57:53] Speaker 2: He is a sidekick.
[1:57:54] Speaker 3: What'd he call me? What'd he say? What'd he say?
[1:57:57] Speaker 4: Because SGA didn't make history in the Finals, too.
[1:57:59] Speaker 3: What'd you say? And they called him a what?
[1:58:03] Speaker 2: Sidekick.
[1:58:04] Speaker 3: A sidekick.
[1:58:05] Speaker 15: Right?
[1:58:06] Speaker 3: One big. You're not feeling that, huh? No. No. ain't
[1:58:10] Speaker 3: no sidekicks no more.
[1:58:11] Speaker 2: Bro, what did he do? He look like a sidekick? Huh?
[1:58:15] Speaker 3: Hell, bro. I got it. There ain't no real sidekicks
[1:58:19] Speaker 3: no more.
[1:58:20] Speaker 1: Is he a sidekick with main boot aspirations? I was
[1:58:22] Speaker 1: literally like, yo.
[1:58:24] Speaker 3: I think in this area, you can have a bunch of...
[1:58:26] Speaker 3: He's giving a different type of... You can have an
[1:58:28] Speaker 3: ensemble cast, lead actors. You can have more than one
[1:58:32] Speaker 3: lead actor. I don't think it's... I'm trying to tell.
[1:58:34] Speaker 2: Him who the side shit is.
[1:58:35] Speaker 3: You can....
[1:58:38] Speaker 2: Say it to him.
[1:58:39] Speaker 3: Because he's just as important. He's just as important.
[1:58:42] Speaker 2: You think Jalen Williams is just as important to SGA
[1:58:44] Speaker 2: for this to undertake?
[1:58:45] Speaker 3: Absolutely. They need him because SGA can always get his money.
[1:58:52] Speaker 3: What SGA do, he gonna always do that. What J-Dub
[1:58:56] Speaker 3: do is he powers the four. He makes the four
[1:59:03] Speaker 3: like a powerful four, a fantastic four because He's the linchpin,
[1:59:07] Speaker 3: and to compliment what SGA do, standing out on his own,
[1:59:12] Speaker 3: but also being on the other end of the floor,
[1:59:16] Speaker 3: like the centerpiece of their defense.
[1:59:19] Speaker 14: Right?
[1:59:20] Speaker 3: A big part of their defense. So when you look
[1:59:22] Speaker 3: at his responsibility, his responsibility is just as much as SGA.
[1:59:28] Speaker 3: SGA just got to go kill and do all the
[1:59:31] Speaker 3: MVP shit. He got to maintain and manage that flow
[1:59:35] Speaker 3: and get his. So he playing like a point guard.
[1:59:38] Speaker 3: He really playing a point guard. That's the biggest adjustment
[1:59:41] Speaker 3: he made. It's okay to say that he ain't the
[1:59:43] Speaker 3: main dude, though.
[1:59:44] Speaker 4: People act like it's an insult. He ain't the main dude.
[1:59:48] Speaker 4: The reason he's able to do a lot of what
[1:59:49] Speaker 4: he do is because SGA out there. SGA don't matter
[1:59:52] Speaker 4: who out there. SGA, whoever out there. They're going to
[1:59:55] Speaker 4: do what he do, and that's the difference between the two.
[1:59:57] Speaker 6: So you think he means... SGA to be out there
[2:00:00] Speaker 6: to do that shit he did yesterday?
[2:00:01] Speaker 4: I'm never going to say that.
[2:00:03] Speaker 3: I'm saying that SGA is an MVP type of player.
[2:00:05] Speaker 4: No, SGA is an MVP type of player.
[2:00:08] Speaker 3: Taylor Williams is not that.
[2:00:10] Speaker 4: I got shit. I can give y'all anything.
[2:00:18] Speaker 3: Time. And I'm going downhill. I'm going save legs. We're
[2:00:23] Speaker 3: not disrespecting SGA. You're saying that he can't be a
[2:00:26] Speaker 3: big dog.
[2:00:26] Speaker 4: I've never said that. I just said it's a reason
[2:00:28] Speaker 4: why SGA is SGA and Jalen Williams is able to
[2:00:31] Speaker 4: do what he do. It's because SGA is out there.
[2:00:32] Speaker 3: He's a big dog. There's two big dogs on the team.
[2:00:38] Speaker 3: Say he wasn't doing that shit. Slow down. Slow down.
[2:00:40] Speaker 4: Slow down. Please talk to him now.
[2:00:42] Speaker 2: Slow down.
[2:00:43] Speaker 3: Slow down.
[2:00:43] Speaker 2: 24.
[2:00:45] Speaker 3: 24. Talk to him. Slow down, Swag. That's that USC
[2:00:58] Speaker 3: education right there. Slow down.
[2:00:59] Speaker 2: It don't matter how old you are.
[2:01:01] Speaker 3: Slow down. It doesn't matter how old you are. And
[2:01:03] Speaker 3: he making finals history. He making finals history.
[2:01:06] Speaker 11: He passed Jordan and LeBron for the most 30-point game shooting.
[2:01:10] Speaker 3: 50% for three full straight games.
[2:01:11] Speaker 7: 30 and five assists in 12 playoff games.
[2:01:14] Speaker 3: When did Shea become an all-star?
[2:01:16] Speaker 2: A couple years ago.
[2:01:17] Speaker 3: Three years ago. What was that year? What year was
[2:01:20] Speaker 3: that when he became an all-star? Three, four years ago.
[2:01:22] Speaker 3: What are you on his fourth, fifth all-star?
[2:01:24] Speaker 2: Hold on one second. We're pulling it up right now.
[2:01:26] Speaker 3: Man, you can go to history of the game eventually.
[2:01:30] Speaker 2: Okay, we are.
[2:01:30] Speaker 3: Be able to do that.
[2:01:31] Speaker 2: Maybe I had that on my tabs.
[2:01:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
[2:01:33] Speaker 2: So he was up.
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: First All-Star was 2023. He's made three straight All-Star games.
[2:01:37] Speaker 1: What year was that?
[2:01:39] Speaker 3: 2023.
[2:01:40] Speaker 2: How many years is he? Oh, how many years was
[2:01:42] Speaker 2: he in the league at that point?
[2:01:45] Speaker 3: One, two.
[2:01:47] Speaker 2: Fifth season.
[2:01:47] Speaker 3: All right. He made his first play. SGA is that guy.
[2:01:53] Speaker 3: Don't get it twisted, though.
[2:01:55] Speaker 4: What point?
[2:01:56] Speaker 2: I'm still listening.
[2:01:56] Speaker 3: What point? He ain't made no point.
[2:01:59] Speaker 2: Jalen Williams got time.
[2:02:00] Speaker 4: Why y'all want to put him against each other, though?
[2:02:02] Speaker 3: Nobody's not.
[2:02:03] Speaker 4: I just said they.
[2:02:04] Speaker 3: Come for each other. I just said.
[2:02:06] Speaker 2: He's not SGA.
[2:02:08] Speaker 3: What's wrong with saying that? What's wrong with saying that?
[2:02:11] Speaker 3: He's not on the same level as SGA. He's carrying
[2:02:13] Speaker 3: the team right now, though.
[2:02:19] Speaker 4: He's not carrying the team. SGA is carrying the team.
[2:02:22] Speaker 3: He's a great support player.
[2:02:24] Speaker 7: SGA right now is playing the role of the leader
[2:02:27] Speaker 7: that has to maneuver while the other guy has to
[2:02:30] Speaker 7: get his. We keyed in on you, SGA. We're taking
[2:02:33] Speaker 7: away all of the little shit that.
[2:02:34] Speaker 3: You do well. Yeah, but that's not taking away.
[2:02:35] Speaker 4: Nobody's taking away from J. Will, but he's not SGA, though.
[2:02:38] Speaker 4: He's not a big dog like SGA.
[2:02:39] Speaker 3: You did say that. No, we didn't. I put words
[2:02:44] Speaker 3: in my mouth. He is. He just had 40. He
[2:02:47] Speaker 3: just had 40. What they said is he's a one-on-one too.
[2:02:55] Speaker 3: And what Norris is saying is a big reason why
[2:03:00] Speaker 3: he has the space to be able to do that
[2:03:02] Speaker 3: because you got somebody over here that's taking all the attention.
[2:03:07] Speaker 3: Somebody got to assume all the attention. J.
[2:03:09] Speaker 4: Will said that on the interview after the game.
[2:03:11] Speaker 3: That's all.
[2:03:12] Speaker 2: If Jalen Williams is not out there, do we double
[2:03:14] Speaker 2: SGA every time?
[2:03:16] Speaker 4: It don't matter what you do to SGA. He going
[2:03:17] Speaker 4: to get 30 points on 50% shooting. He going to
[2:03:20] Speaker 4: get 30 and 50% shooting.
[2:03:22] Speaker 3: You ask.
[2:03:23] Speaker 2: I'm asking him.
[2:03:23] Speaker 11: 30 on 50% shooting regardless of who's on the court, bro.
[2:03:27] Speaker 3: That's what's going to happen.
[2:03:29] Speaker 7: So do we double SGA with no Jalen Williams on
[2:03:31] Speaker 7: the floor?
[2:03:32] Speaker 4: It don't matter what you do.
[2:03:34] Speaker 3: If he can double somebody, he's still going to... All
[2:03:36] Speaker 3: the big dogs get double. Hold up. We acting like getting.
[2:03:39] Speaker 4: Double teamed is something new. Every mega star gets double,
[2:03:41] Speaker 4: triple teamed.
[2:03:42] Speaker 3: What are we talking about? And they still get it done.
[2:03:44] Speaker 2: Hey, man, the game plan is 30.
[2:03:46] Speaker 3: Three seasons in a row shooting over 50%. I'm sure
[2:03:51] Speaker 3: they double teaming it. I'm sure they double teaming it.
[2:03:55] Speaker 3: When you can shoot off the dribble, though, it's hard to.
[2:03:58] Speaker 2: If Jalen Williams is not out there, does the team
[2:04:01] Speaker 2: look different, bro? Come on, y'all acting like his space
[2:04:04] Speaker 2: is not going to be different.
[2:04:05] Speaker 3: No, the team looks very different. All right, so let's
[2:04:07] Speaker 3: give the credit.
[2:04:08] Speaker 2: But he's not carrying the team, though.
[2:04:10] Speaker 3: He ain't carrying the team. That's what I'm saying.
[2:04:11] Speaker 4: He's not carrying the team.
[2:04:12] Speaker 2: He's doing his fucking job.
[2:04:13] Speaker 4: There's this distinct difference in the level.
[2:04:15] Speaker 8: He is being who he's supposed to be. He's not
[2:04:17] Speaker 8: carrying the team. But you can have two big dogs.
[2:04:20] Speaker 8: You can have two big dogs. Look at the Lakers.
[2:04:23] Speaker 3: They got... You know, Braun and Luka. Uh, you look
[2:04:26] Speaker 3: at Boston, they got Tatum and, uh, Jalen Brown. And
[2:04:31] Speaker 3: then you got White. Then you got Derrick Wright right there, who, like...
[2:04:35] Speaker 3: Damn near a 1B.
[2:04:36] Speaker 2: Who carried the Boston Celtics to the championship last year?
[2:04:40] Speaker 4: Jason Tatum.
[2:04:42] Speaker 3: It was a team. Jason Tatum. I get it.
[2:04:45] Speaker 2: I get it.
[2:04:46] Speaker 3: It was a team.
[2:04:46] Speaker 2: Maybe I should let somebody else ask the question.
[2:04:49] Speaker 3: Tell me.
[2:04:50] Speaker 8: I'm going with the guy that led his team in
[2:04:52] Speaker 8: every statistical category.
[2:04:54] Speaker 2: So shout out to who? Who's the guy who led
[2:04:55] Speaker 2: the team in Portsmouth? I don't know. I don't know.
[2:04:57] Speaker 3: But who won finals every year? That's what I'm saying.
[2:05:00] Speaker 3: Tell me who carried the team for Boston last year.
[2:05:04] Speaker 2: In the finals?
[2:05:05] Speaker 3: It's in the finals?
[2:05:05] Speaker 2: Playoffs, finals, the whole thing.
[2:05:08] Speaker 3: In the playoffs, Jalen Brown did.
[2:05:09] Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Do you agree? Points, rebounds, assists, steals. When
[2:05:14] Speaker 2: I watch Boston.
[2:05:15] Speaker 7: Bro, I see a.
[2:05:17] Speaker 3: Hell of a team. I see Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum.
[2:05:22] Speaker 3: They complement each other well. And then you got Drew
[2:05:25] Speaker 3: Holiday and White made a perfect complement to what these
[2:05:31] Speaker 3: dudes do. They got a killer four.
[2:05:37] Speaker 2: Is Jalen Williams not doing what Jalen Brown is doing?
[2:05:39] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Yes.
[2:05:42] Speaker 4: The difference is though, SGA... didn't have a bad shooting
[2:05:47] Speaker 4: day like how Tatum had in that series. That's the difference.
[2:05:49] Speaker 4: SGA ain't take a step down. Tatum struggled shooting in
[2:05:52] Speaker 4: the final.
[2:05:53] Speaker 3: So the dynamic.
[2:05:54] Speaker 4: He said they'd.
[2:05:54] Speaker 2: Get Jalen Williams MVP.
[2:05:56] Speaker 3: That's what he said. Right, and the answer is no.
[2:06:01] Speaker 3: The answer is no.
[2:06:01] Speaker 2: And that's what you're saying, yes. I'm saying based on
[2:06:04] Speaker 2: the criteria of Jalen Brown, how he put... And it
[2:06:07] Speaker 2: wasn't stats. Jalen Brown didn't win the MVP and all
[2:06:10] Speaker 2: that based on stats, how he.
[2:06:11] Speaker 3: Affected the game, changed the game. It's not always about
[2:06:15] Speaker 3: the stats.
[2:06:16] Speaker 7: Because the stats didn't go to Jason Tatum because he
[2:06:18] Speaker 7: had all the stats.
[2:06:20] Speaker 3: But this is what I'm saying about SGA.
[2:06:23] Speaker 2: It didn't go to who?
[2:06:25] Speaker 3: Not only is he getting the stats, but he is
[2:06:29] Speaker 3: also affecting the game. There is no, like, what J-Dub
[2:06:35] Speaker 3: is doing on defense, SGA doing the same thing. Yeah.
[2:06:40] Speaker 4: Bro, you have four blocks.
[2:06:41] Speaker 3: Four blocks and three steals. Three steals. In multiple games. Look,
[2:06:46] Speaker 3: that's called affecting the game like you're supposed to. So,
[2:06:48] Speaker 3: what I'm saying is they both.
[2:06:51] Speaker 4: Like, you.
[2:06:51] Speaker 3: Can't say, oh, J-Dev have a bigger responsibility or he
[2:06:54] Speaker 3: doing more or he dominate more because shit. A guard
[2:06:58] Speaker 3: with four blocks, three steals, 30-some points, 50% from the field,
[2:07:04] Speaker 3: five assists, six.
[2:07:06] Speaker 4: 89% free throw.
[2:07:07] Speaker 7: If you close your eyes and you say that, if
[2:07:09] Speaker 7: you close your eyes and say all that shit, close.
[2:07:11] Speaker 3: Your eyes and I hear you saying that, right? Sounds amazing.
[2:07:16] Speaker 3: But when we watched the game.
[2:07:17] Speaker 7: It didn't... You're not watching the game? We watched the game.
[2:07:20] Speaker 7: Jalen Williams. It was the Jalen Williams show.
[2:07:23] Speaker 3: Last night. Yes.
[2:07:25] Speaker 7: So everything you said, with my eyes.
[2:07:28] Speaker 3: Closed, I'm like, yo, that sounds good. When I watched it,
[2:07:32] Speaker 3: it was the Jalen Williams show. But if you was
[2:07:35] Speaker 3: really watching the full game, you would have seen those steals.
[2:07:39] Speaker 3: We seen it. And those blocks. That don't go unnoticed?
[2:07:44] Speaker 3: That was what happened after under six minutes.
[2:07:48] Speaker 7: It means more to you because you were watching that part, right?
[2:07:51] Speaker 3: We watching Jalen Williams take the energy from here to here.
[2:07:55] Speaker 3: He took the energy at OKC.
[2:07:58] Speaker 11: That'll make him MVP though. That don't make him MVP, though.
[2:08:02] Speaker 11: That don't make him MVP, though, in the finals, though.
[2:08:05] Speaker 11: That's what he said.
[2:08:06] Speaker 3: That's what he just said.
[2:08:07] Speaker 7: No, we didn't move from that. You say he can't
[2:08:09] Speaker 7: be a big dog. That's what we're still talking about.
[2:08:13] Speaker 7: Because he just said it. Yeah, we just, yeah, we said, yeah.
[2:08:16] Speaker 7: He's not MVP of this final. He's not MVP of
[2:08:19] Speaker 7: this final.
[2:08:20] Speaker 3: No. Because we ain't in. We ain't at the end yet.
[2:08:22] Speaker 3: He's not. We ain't at the end yet. They don't
[2:08:24] Speaker 3: come with another 40. That's what I ask. That's what
[2:08:29] Speaker 3: I ask.
[2:08:29] Speaker 4: Even if he do, if SGA have another 31 and 10,
[2:08:31] Speaker 4: it's not going to matter if he have another 41.
[2:08:32] Speaker 1: Right.
[2:08:33] Speaker 4: Because if he have another 31 and 10 with two
[2:08:34] Speaker 4: or three blocks and two steals, it ain't.
[2:08:36] Speaker 3: Going to matter. More rebounds. They both right there.
[2:08:40] Speaker 2: They're both right there.
[2:08:42] Speaker 3: SGA is killed, bro. Y'all talking about stats and comparison. No, no, no.
[2:08:48] Speaker 7: And that's why everybody was so disappointed last year when
[2:08:52] Speaker 7: Jason Tatum didn't get it.
[2:08:53] Speaker 3: He hated on Jason Brown. He didn't deserve it. What
[2:08:57] Speaker 3: was he watching? You can watch the last game. You
[2:09:00] Speaker 3: can watch the last game of the Boston series when
[2:09:04] Speaker 3: they was clinching and say, okay, the reason why Jason
[2:09:08] Speaker 3: Tatum averaged more points because he kept shooting, trying to
[2:09:11] Speaker 3: score more points in the finals last year. SGA is different, bro.
[2:09:15] Speaker 4: It is different.
[2:09:17] Speaker 2: What's different about it?
[2:09:18] Speaker 3: The way he's going about it. It's not just offense.
[2:09:22] Speaker 2: What's different?
[2:09:23] Speaker 4: And he's more efficient than Jason Taylor was in that final.
[2:09:25] Speaker 2: It's not just offense.
[2:09:27] Speaker 3: Like, if OKC is winning by 17, he already got
[2:09:30] Speaker 3: his 30.
[2:09:30] Speaker 2: But y'all making it about him. We talking about Jalen Williams.
[2:09:34] Speaker 3: He doing his job. We talking about y'all moving. Y'all
[2:09:37] Speaker 3: moving from the credit. We're giving Jalen Williams. No, we're not.
[2:09:40] Speaker 3: We're not. So why are we not talking about him?
[2:09:42] Speaker 9: Why are we not talking about Jalen Williams?
[2:09:46] Speaker 3: We are. Y'all want to say that he's over SGA.
[2:09:48] Speaker 3: We wasn't talking about SGA. We're telling you why he's
[2:09:51] Speaker 3: not there. Why he's not over SGA. Because you want
[2:09:53] Speaker 3: to fucking argue. This is what we're here for. This
[2:10:07] Speaker 3: is a debate show. We've been arguing for three years.
[2:10:08] Speaker 9: We got a million subscribers and we're arguing. Ain't nobody
[2:10:11] Speaker 9: here to fucking argue. That's the problem.
[2:10:13] Speaker 7: We're here to have a healthy basketball discussion.
[2:10:16] Speaker 3: Ain't nobody here to argue with you, dude. You be
[2:10:27] Speaker 3: the dude that walk around with a book and just
[2:10:30] Speaker 3: debate with people and don't have nothing in the book.
[2:10:32] Speaker 2: And he be right behind you.
[2:10:34] Speaker 3: He is right there. Yeah, like, come on, bro. Just
[2:10:38] Speaker 3: turn that over. That's what happens when people don't want
[2:10:41] Speaker 3: to debate. That's what happens. They like, I'm on it. Oh, look,
[2:10:49] Speaker 3: I'm losing.
[2:10:50] Speaker 2: I'm losing.
[2:10:51] Speaker 3: I'm losing.
[2:10:52] Speaker 11: Let's talk about something else.
[2:10:55] Speaker 3: Losing what? Losing what? Hey, I love it. Y'all niggas
[2:10:59] Speaker 3: get darker and darker. Darker and darker. Hey, Norris, here
[2:11:03] Speaker 3: we go.
[2:11:03] Speaker 2: Roastin' marshmallow.
[2:11:04] Speaker 3: Roastin' marshmallow.
[2:11:05] Speaker 4: What's that?
[2:11:06] Speaker 3: What's that scripture in the football? Hell yeah. Come on, man.
[2:11:11] Speaker 3: You know. Every time I walk up, they be like,
[2:11:14] Speaker 3: you got it. Nigga, if you want to argue, go
[2:11:16] Speaker 3: get your wife, nigga. You got it, man.
[2:11:18] Speaker 7: You want to argue with somebody, rather than go get
[2:11:20] Speaker 7: your wife, nigga. I got paid to come on here
[2:11:22] Speaker 7: to argue.
[2:11:23] Speaker 2: No, you did not.
[2:11:24] Speaker 3: It's in my contract.
[2:11:25] Speaker 2: Make sure you argue with me.
[2:11:26] Speaker 3: In my contract. You are this character. Do this shit
[2:11:34] Speaker 3: or you don't get paid.
[2:11:36] Speaker 2: Nigga. That is honestly in his contract.
[2:11:39] Speaker 3: I'm not here to argue with you.
[2:11:41] Speaker 8: No, I'm not here to argue with you. About something
[2:11:44] Speaker 8: that there's nothing to argue about. He wants to argue,
[2:11:46] Speaker 8: but he's not about to argue with you.
[2:11:47] Speaker 3: But it's in his contract. What's the argument? What's the argument?
[2:11:50] Speaker 3: Let me get something straight. We have a topic. I
[2:11:56] Speaker 3: give my opinion and you give yours. That's an argument? No. No. So, okay.
[2:11:59] Speaker 2: So, I'm not going to be arguing.
[2:12:01] Speaker 3: Hold on. Hold on. Man, you're not doing a good job.
[2:12:05] Speaker 7: So, if we're here to argue and we got opinions,
[2:12:09] Speaker 7: I got opinions, you got opinions.
[2:12:11] Speaker 3: Your opinion can't be right. No, we can't. So, we're
[2:12:13] Speaker 3: not arguing. because we just.
[2:12:15] Speaker 16: But my opinion seems to be getting a lot of
[2:12:19] Speaker 16: triggered responses. Niggas get triggered by my opinion and say
[2:12:24] Speaker 16: I'm arguing. When my opinion turns to be correct, niggas
[2:12:28] Speaker 16: get to backpedaling and start sitting on the seat.
[2:12:31] Speaker 3: You backpedaling? You backpedaling on your contract. You supposed to start.
[2:12:35] Speaker 1: What did you just say?
[2:12:37] Speaker 3: What did you just say? What did you just say? B,
[2:12:39] Speaker 3: what did you just say?
[2:12:40] Speaker 1: He said he's not arguing.
[2:12:43] Speaker 3: So what did I get paid to do? Argue. So
[2:12:46] Speaker 3: what am I trying to do? Argue. So what are.
[2:12:49] Speaker 2: You saying, my nigga?
[2:12:50] Speaker 3: No, you're backing out your argument. I'm arguing. You said
[2:12:54] Speaker 3: I don't want to argue. Yeah, we can't hear you
[2:12:56] Speaker 3: two talking up in the arena right now. That's what
[2:12:58] Speaker 3: it goes for, bro. Opinion, opinion.
[2:13:00] Speaker 9: If you don't want to argue, my nigga, how the
[2:13:02] Speaker 9: fuck can we have an opinion?
[2:13:03] Speaker 2: Let's argue. Let's argue. I want to keep this shit cracking.
[2:13:07] Speaker 3: I'm not invested in your opinions.
[2:13:12] Speaker 9: Like opinion opinion argument no no no so then what
[2:13:18] Speaker 9: are we doing no we arguing no.
[2:13:19] Speaker 1: We're having healthy basketball discussions we're not arguing.
[2:13:24] Speaker 3: We are arguing we're debating we're arguing we have difference
[2:13:28] Speaker 3: of opinions yes and it's leading to an argument.
[2:13:32] Speaker 1: There's still games to be played but if jaylen williams
[2:13:34] Speaker 1: can put up another performance like this and and And
[2:13:37] Speaker 1: if SGA puts up another department of the same thing,
[2:13:39] Speaker 1: then it would.
[2:13:40] Speaker 9: Have to take a huge gap in game six for
[2:13:42] Speaker 9: the team.
[2:13:43] Speaker 1: To be discussed. SGA would have to play like shit.
[2:13:46] Speaker 1: SGA had to have like a 20-point game.
[2:13:48] Speaker 8: They had 14 and motherfucking four turnovers.
[2:13:50] Speaker 3: He said it's not about the stats. They're bringing them.
[2:13:53] Speaker 3: They come in and throw them. I see y'all, man.
[2:14:03] Speaker 2: Y'all come on, man.
[2:14:05] Speaker 3: I'm agreeing with you, Shawty. I'm agreeing with you. I'm
[2:14:07] Speaker 3: rocking with you. But we just fell full circle for
[2:14:10] Speaker 3: 15 minutes. That's the point.
[2:14:12] Speaker 2: It was a beautiful conversation, though.
[2:14:15] Speaker 3: I know.
[2:14:16] Speaker 2: I do my job.
[2:14:17] Speaker 3: That's why I'm here. I do my job every day. Right.
[2:14:19] Speaker 3: So why are you complaining.
[2:14:20] Speaker 7: That we got into a 15-minute... Nigga, the boss is watching.
[2:14:25] Speaker 3: He's trying to take care of us. The boss is watching.
[2:14:28] Speaker 2: In transit to the airport. Still watching Gills Arena presented
[2:14:31] Speaker 2: by Underdog.
[2:14:31] Speaker 3: Whoop, whoop. But we got the highly.
[2:14:33] Speaker 2: Injury update, so we know what the situation is.
[2:14:35] Speaker 3: T.J.
[2:14:35] Speaker 1: McConnell looked very effective before apparently getting too tired to continue.
[2:14:39] Speaker 1: Because I was watching the game wondering, what the fuck
[2:14:40] Speaker 1: is going on?
[2:14:41] Speaker 2: Why he's not in? Right?
[2:14:43] Speaker 3: 18 points through three quarters.
[2:14:44] Speaker 2: Why he's not in?
[2:14:45] Speaker 3: Cooking.
[2:14:45] Speaker 2: Why he's not in? 24-hour fitness, Hall of Fame. He
[2:14:47] Speaker 2: was tired. Tire bus.
[2:14:49] Speaker 3: That shit is unacceptable.
[2:14:51] Speaker 2: Rick Harlow should be like, nigga, if you don't get
[2:14:52] Speaker 2: your ass back.
[2:14:53] Speaker 3: In that game.
[2:14:53] Speaker 8: Listen, man, get your ass in the back. Go get
[2:14:55] Speaker 8: you a Gatorade. Drink some motherfucking pickle juice. Whatever the
[2:14:58] Speaker 8: fuck you need to do.
[2:14:58] Speaker 3: Trust me. Electrolyte.
[2:14:59] Speaker 2: Get your electrolytes.
[2:15:00] Speaker 3: Coconut water.
[2:15:01] Speaker 4: Pedialyte.
[2:15:09] Speaker 3: IV bags, all up together, and kick tape. But whatever you.
[2:15:14] Speaker 2: Hey, halftime.
[2:15:16] Speaker 16: Hey, get you a bump.
[2:15:18] Speaker 3: Hey, sniff you a line. Hey, we need you right now.
[2:15:24] Speaker 3: Don't tell nobody if you do it. You never know
[2:15:27] Speaker 3: how great you. Wait, want a bump, G? Want a bump, G?
[2:15:30] Speaker 3: This y'all going off the rails. This is going.
[2:15:36] Speaker 2: Off the rails.
[2:15:39] Speaker 3: It's good TV, though.
[2:15:41] Speaker 9: Pacers coming back home.
[2:15:44] Speaker 1: Game Bridge Fieldhouse. Pacers have a very dedicated fan base.
[2:15:50] Speaker 1: It'll be very loud in the arena. Hardest game to
[2:15:53] Speaker 1: win is a series-clinching game in the playoffs. Can the
[2:15:56] Speaker 1: Pacers extend this series with or without Halliburton?
[2:15:59] Speaker 3: Yes.
[2:16:00] Speaker 2: Can you?
[2:16:05] Speaker 3: Everybody said no, though. You said no. You said it's over. SGA,
[2:16:09] Speaker 3: didn't you? Norris said it's over. It's a tall task.
[2:16:12] Speaker 3: I said it.
[2:16:13] Speaker 2: If he's not healthy, it's really a tall task.
[2:16:15] Speaker 1: So if Hallie's not healthy, let's say he can play,
[2:16:17] Speaker 1: but he's not effective. What's the Pacers' strategy?
[2:16:20] Speaker 3: Indiana wins six.
[2:16:21] Speaker 2: Siakam? They get out. Y'all come in New York, the
[2:16:24] Speaker 2: Easter Conference Finals every week.
[2:16:26] Speaker 3: It's going to be me, Smith. It's going to be
[2:16:30] Speaker 3: all the people y'all been talking about that didn't do
[2:16:32] Speaker 3: it in game five. They're going to come to life
[2:16:35] Speaker 3: game six. And role players play better at home.
[2:16:37] Speaker 4: They're going to make it a tough game.
[2:16:39] Speaker 3: It's going to be tough. It's over, okay?
[2:16:41] Speaker 2: It's not working.
[2:16:42] Speaker 8: Well, me and Munoz was talking before the show, right?
[2:16:46] Speaker 3: He got big responsibilities.
[2:16:47] Speaker 8: But he needs to go see the Wizards. Because I
[2:16:51] Speaker 8: know he went to Vanderbilt. But it don't seem like
[2:16:54] Speaker 8: he's the smartest.
[2:16:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. That's a long list. What's the wizard?
[2:16:58] Speaker 4: Not with the brain.
[2:16:58] Speaker 2: He need to go get a brain.
[2:16:59] Speaker 4: He need to get a brain, yeah.
[2:17:00] Speaker 2: No mustache?
[2:17:01] Speaker 4: Not because he's fouling out there.
[2:17:02] Speaker 2: Don't judge a book by its cover.
[2:17:04] Speaker 3: He's not fouling.
[2:17:04] Speaker 2: He's going to see the wizard.
[2:17:05] Speaker 3: He just need to grow his mustache, man.
[2:17:07] Speaker 2: But it's just like he ain't adjusted at all.
[2:17:08] Speaker 3: Oh, he cut his mustache?
[2:17:09] Speaker 2: He's got the chin strap here.
[2:17:10] Speaker 3: He just... The whole point exactly.
[2:17:14] Speaker 4: That's my point exactly like but they wouldn't call in it.
[2:17:18] Speaker 7: So they call it now They've been calling it, too.
[2:17:39] Speaker 7: The New York series, they was letting that game go.
[2:17:41] Speaker 7: And they're picking on it now.
[2:17:43] Speaker 3: They're running screens to get the switch with him because.
[2:17:45] Speaker 8: They're going to score or get a foul. They're trying
[2:17:47] Speaker 8: to pick. They want him on that game because he
[2:17:49] Speaker 8: can foul. Because they know he can get to the line.
[2:17:51] Speaker 8: If Jay wouldn't get to the line before he started
[2:17:54] Speaker 8: getting on it. That's why I said they needed to adjust.
[2:17:56] Speaker 8: Bring them back.
[2:17:56] Speaker 7: You're going to have to play for SGA. That's your
[2:18:01] Speaker 7: only threat.
[2:18:04] Speaker 3: You can't extend. What I've been saying is Indiana extending
[2:18:07] Speaker 3: the pressure. And SGA and those dudes is different than
[2:18:12] Speaker 3: New York. They get downhill. They can finish with dunks.
[2:18:15] Speaker 3: They're playmakers. It's not just Jalen Brunson you got to
[2:18:19] Speaker 3: guard against. It's like all these dudes, they know how
[2:18:22] Speaker 3: to catch, get to the cup. They all got skills,
[2:18:24] Speaker 3: especially Jalen Williams, especially SGA. So you can't extend your defense.
[2:18:29] Speaker 3: You can probably extend your defense, keep the same pressure,
[2:18:32] Speaker 3: but immediately fall back as soon as you come across
[2:18:36] Speaker 3: half court and set your defense a little bit above
[2:18:39] Speaker 3: the three because OKC is not like a catch and
[2:18:43] Speaker 3: fire quick three-point. They're more methodical, more pick and roll,
[2:18:48] Speaker 3: more ISO. So you can actually, to your point, play back,
[2:18:52] Speaker 3: sit on the three-point line, Right, and set your defense standard.
[2:18:56] Speaker 8: How about you play a possession to a zone? Let's try.
[2:19:01] Speaker 3: Let's try.
[2:19:01] Speaker 2: But remember.
[2:19:02] Speaker 3: I don't know, let's try. I get it, but just
[2:19:05] Speaker 3: give them a different look.
[2:19:06] Speaker 2: I'm all about different looks.
[2:19:07] Speaker 3: What did Denver do today? It was big. Denver or
[2:19:09] Speaker 3: Minnesota changed up on them. Nah, but... The only way
[2:19:18] Speaker 3: I think you can beat OKC is you got to
[2:19:21] Speaker 3: beat them by playing big and make them go small
[2:19:24] Speaker 3: and have a bigger lineup.
[2:19:26] Speaker 9: And DeAndre won't fit that.
[2:19:28] Speaker 4: You got to remember, they pressure you. They want that
[2:19:30] Speaker 4: pace to be... They don't want to sit back.
[2:19:32] Speaker 3: I thought that was Indiana.
[2:19:34] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[2:19:35] Speaker 4: That's why Indiana is pressuring so much because they want
[2:19:37] Speaker 4: OKC to speed up so they can get back on
[2:19:39] Speaker 4: offense again.
[2:19:40] Speaker 3: It ain't worth it. They turned that motherfucking ball over, man.
[2:19:44] Speaker 2: They turned that bitch over like hotcakes.
[2:19:46] Speaker 1: The Timberwolves series, right?
[2:19:48] Speaker 2: When they slowed them down, they pushed back to a
[2:19:51] Speaker 2: matchup zone against SGA.
[2:19:53] Speaker 7: He had to switch up what he was seeing because
[2:19:55] Speaker 7: they were staying home on the shooters. They was helping
[2:19:58] Speaker 7: on his drives. They haven't done that since. Like you said,
[2:20:02] Speaker 7: the press up, that takes away your help defense. Because now,
[2:20:06] Speaker 7: if SGA, what he did last night is this. I
[2:20:08] Speaker 7: don't know if y'all noticed. He got in there and
[2:20:10] Speaker 7: he slowed down when he touched paint. He slowed, slowed
[2:20:13] Speaker 7: down and found Wallace, who was supposed to be in
[2:20:16] Speaker 7: that corner, who rolls all the way to the top wing.
[2:20:20] Speaker 3: So the rotation.
[2:20:21] Speaker 2: When he gets there, you look in there because that's
[2:20:24] Speaker 2: the normal rotation. But he didn't already move. He keep moving.
[2:20:27] Speaker 7: So now he's slowing down. He's like, nah, I know
[2:20:30] Speaker 7: he's going to be there this time. And he's telling
[2:20:32] Speaker 7: him in the huddle, hey, when I drive now, keep
[2:20:36] Speaker 7: moving on the relocate. You're going to be open because
[2:20:38] Speaker 7: they're pre-rotating to spots.
[2:20:40] Speaker 4: You can tell they drilled that.
[2:20:41] Speaker 3: You can see it.
[2:20:42] Speaker 7: So now I'm looking at Dagnoff like you made an
[2:20:45] Speaker 7: adjustment with your MVP to tell him to slow down.
[2:20:47] Speaker 2: Slow down and see the clock.
[2:20:49] Speaker 3: And he is doing... I got to give credit to
[2:20:51] Speaker 3: the OKC coach because, I mean, for a first-time coach,
[2:20:55] Speaker 3: you know, being in this situation, he is making the adjustments.
[2:21:00] Speaker 4: He almost blew it.
[2:21:01] Speaker 2: I hear you.
[2:21:01] Speaker 3: He almost blew it. Yeah, in the first... Like, when
[2:21:05] Speaker 3: they got caught in the first game, then they got
[2:21:07] Speaker 3: down 2-1, it looked like they was on the ropes, but...
[2:21:11] Speaker 3: Like I said, he figured out how to play Harkinstein, Chet,
[2:21:15] Speaker 3: and then he figured out how to implement the Wiggins
[2:21:18] Speaker 3: with Duke. He's been working his lineup to make it
[2:21:21] Speaker 3: work more for him to stabilize that bench.
[2:21:23] Speaker 2: And guess what? The fucking pace is helping him.
[2:21:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:21:27] Speaker 8: The motherfucker averaging 18 turnovers a night. Oh, and that
[2:21:29] Speaker 8: was my thing when y'all was giving us this. 18
[2:21:31] Speaker 8: of them motherfuckers, bro. Yo, averaging 18. You averaging 18
[2:21:36] Speaker 8: through five games? Yeah, they just ain't beating me.
[2:21:38] Speaker 3: They can rip. He was getting in there and doing
[2:21:40] Speaker 3: dumb shit like that. Yeah, slime ball.
[2:21:45] Speaker 2: He's making the extra effort crackdown.
[2:21:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, they get there when that window closed. So is
[2:21:49] Speaker 3: there like, oh no, I know I'm supposed to get here.
[2:22:04] Speaker 2: Still, we good.
[2:22:04] Speaker 8: Turning it over is one thing, right? Live ball turnovers.
[2:22:07] Speaker 8: You can throw that bitch out of bounds, cool.
[2:22:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:22:09] Speaker 3: Yeah. Trying to make a play, they kick it out
[2:22:11] Speaker 3: of bounds. They tip it out of bounds. Oh, you
[2:22:12] Speaker 3: dropped that. Of course.
[2:22:13] Speaker 2: Of course.
[2:22:13] Speaker 3: But live ball.
[2:22:15] Speaker 2: And they points off the turnovers.
[2:22:17] Speaker 3: It's different. It's points off the turnovers as well. Man,
[2:22:20] Speaker 3: they cut it to what? Two, four, and that's that? Two, four,
[2:22:23] Speaker 3: and that's that. Four turns in a row. That was
[2:22:26] Speaker 3: a game.
[2:22:27] Speaker 2: That was a game.
[2:22:27] Speaker 3: That was a game. That was a game.
[2:22:28] Speaker 2: That was a game. That was a game.
[2:22:30] Speaker 3: That was a game. That was a game. That was
[2:22:32] Speaker 3: a game. That was a game. That was a game.
[2:22:54] Speaker 3: handle this play, and then let's turn it up on our, like,
[2:22:58] Speaker 3: let's turn the defense up.
[2:22:59] Speaker 2: Turn it up.
[2:23:00] Speaker 3: Right? So when they put the pressure on Indiana, when
[2:23:03] Speaker 3: they falling back, then they turn the pressure up, Indiana
[2:23:06] Speaker 3: turn the ball over, then they fall back and say,
[2:23:08] Speaker 3: all right, let's get back to where we were and
[2:23:11] Speaker 3: play our league, play our ISO basketball. But I think
[2:23:14] Speaker 3: Indiana can win game six.
[2:23:16] Speaker 2: I do too. Okay. Without Halliburton.
[2:23:18] Speaker 3: No.
[2:23:20] Speaker 2: Swaggy, do you believe the Pacers can win Game 6?
[2:23:21] Speaker 6: I don't know if they're seeing 6, but the NBA
[2:23:23] Speaker 6: need a Game 7.
[2:23:24] Speaker 3: I need a Game 7. I need a Game 7.
[2:23:26] Speaker 3: It's been great finals basketball, though.
[2:23:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been good basketball.
[2:23:29] Speaker 3: The games have been good, man. I can't even lie. Like,
[2:23:31] Speaker 3: there's been some good fucking basketball, man. Crazy playoffs.
[2:23:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy shit, bro. Crazy playoffs, but a good finals.
[2:23:40] Speaker 7: So, from the perspective or the perception of it being bad,
[2:23:44] Speaker 7: we would have a better fanfare of the.
[2:23:46] Speaker 2: Finals, even though, you know, we got two... Boring teams.
[2:23:51] Speaker 2: but the games are good.
[2:23:53] Speaker 3: The basketball is good.
[2:23:56] Speaker 7: They'll say it's boring, but if you like the game,
[2:23:59] Speaker 7: you see it.
[2:24:01] Speaker 8: They don't love basketball.
[2:24:05] Speaker 3: They don't like basketball.
[2:24:07] Speaker 2: They don't like basketball. You're finding out who Jalen Williams is.
[2:24:11] Speaker 7: We got some new superstars.
[2:24:14] Speaker 3: We got some new stars. Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown
[2:24:18] Speaker 3: did their thing last year. They opened up the door
[2:24:21] Speaker 3: Every year it's been new superstars.
[2:24:23] Speaker 8: We had lunch at the office. Hey man, what you
[2:24:26] Speaker 8: doing after lunch? How much work today, guy? You going
[2:24:29] Speaker 8: to watch the game? You going to go meet with
[2:24:31] Speaker 8: your kids? You going to go do it? You got
[2:24:35] Speaker 8: one basketball guy in the office place.
[2:24:37] Speaker 2: He might invite Nick. Hey Nick, what you want to
[2:24:38] Speaker 2: go watch the game? Now you didn't invite him. Now
[2:24:40] Speaker 2: it's viewership, but it's just....
[2:24:45] Speaker 8: It's not like every household is that. Every person is
[2:24:47] Speaker 8: not that. Well, they should be, game-wise.
[2:24:50] Speaker 3: I dig it. I also feel like it's a marketing thing, right? And,
[2:24:55] Speaker 3: you know, it's storytelling, man. You got to sell some shit. Yeah,
[2:24:59] Speaker 3: but these dudes is fire. These dudes are fired. They fired.
[2:25:07] Speaker 3: They fired. But there's a legacy. Back to legacy. That
[2:25:11] Speaker 3: could be a part of this whole... Think about it.
[2:25:14] Speaker 3: Neither one of these teams ever won a championship. Indiana longer.
[2:25:19] Speaker 3: OKC just coming in the league like man this is
[2:25:22] Speaker 3: a fucking big historic moment and like the last thing
[2:25:25] Speaker 3: we talking about is like yo one of these franchises
[2:25:29] Speaker 3: are gonna be crowned a champion for the first time
[2:25:32] Speaker 3: ever that used to be like a huge thing in
[2:25:35] Speaker 3: sports man Like, if it was a Super Bowl and
[2:25:38] Speaker 3: it was two teams never won a Super.
[2:25:39] Speaker 9: Bowl, it'd be like, that'd be the most talked about
[2:25:42] Speaker 9: shit ever.
[2:25:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[2:25:44] Speaker 3: That's what we're not doing. And then, like, what's the
[2:25:46] Speaker 3: legacy of OKC? How'd they get to OKC? Do Seattle
[2:25:49] Speaker 3: still get to sell it? Like, it's so much. It's negativity.
[2:25:53] Speaker 3: It's so much. The narrative is selling. Is Seattle not
[2:25:56] Speaker 3: fucking with this? Seattle definitely.
[2:25:58] Speaker 1: They still got players.
[2:26:02] Speaker 3: They still got picks, right?
[2:26:03] Speaker 7: The narrative is stronger than the actual success of what's
[2:26:06] Speaker 7: going on.
[2:26:07] Speaker 3: They're pushing the narrative.
[2:26:08] Speaker 7: It's like, oh, the narrative is two, you know, boring
[2:26:10] Speaker 7: teams and this and that.
[2:26:11] Speaker 8: But we got a story behind these two teams. The
[2:26:14] Speaker 8: size of the markets, if you line them up, is
[2:26:17] Speaker 8: where it should be, right? It's where it should be
[2:26:20] Speaker 8: because of the markets that it's in. You're not expecting
[2:26:23] Speaker 8: that if you have the Knicks and the Lakers, that's
[2:26:25] Speaker 8: going to be your viewership. Or Boston and the Lakers,
[2:26:27] Speaker 8: that's going to be your viewership. You got more casuals.
[2:26:30] Speaker 3: Like if you're in L.A. or New York, maybe you
[2:26:33] Speaker 3: got more casual people that are fans of the city.
[2:26:36] Speaker 8: Because people that are fans of the Oklahoma City Thunder,
[2:26:38] Speaker 8: they live in Oklahoma City. Fans of Indiana Pacers, most
[2:26:42] Speaker 8: of them, they live in Indiana. Right now, this is
[2:26:44] Speaker 8: a fandom final. You got to really let a game
[2:26:48] Speaker 8: be locked in on the game. Like I've been telling
[2:26:51] Speaker 8: my kids on the AAU, like, man, watch this because
[2:26:55] Speaker 8: You know, we grew up off.
[2:26:57] Speaker 3: Of Jordan, Magic, you know, fighting Sean Kemp.
[2:27:02] Speaker 2: That was some good-ass basketball.
[2:27:04] Speaker 3: And it was different. It kind of shaped the motive.
[2:27:07] Speaker 3: This finals, if the young kids watch it, This is
[2:27:10] Speaker 3: the type of shit you're watching, my man.
[2:27:12] Speaker 4: Defense closing out.
[2:27:14] Speaker 3: TJ McConnell. Look at TJ McConnell. Look at Caruso.
[2:27:20] Speaker 2: Look at Caruso.
[2:27:21] Speaker 3: Look at Caruso.
[2:27:23] Speaker 2: Look at Dort.
[2:27:24] Speaker 3: Look how Dort ain't letting Hollenberg touch the ball. Man,
[2:27:27] Speaker 3: there's so many players you can look at as a
[2:27:29] Speaker 3: young kid and say, damn, all these dudes is giving
[2:27:33] Speaker 3: their heart and soul, landing on the line, and I
[2:27:36] Speaker 3: can find at least the energy that I need to
[2:27:40] Speaker 3: make it to the NBA.
[2:27:41] Speaker 2: Somebody that resembles my game. Somebody that resembles me. And
[2:27:45] Speaker 2: the energy behind that. How is this person playing at
[2:27:49] Speaker 2: this level?
[2:27:50] Speaker 3: That's dope because you think about when you was in school,
[2:27:55] Speaker 3: you harnessed the energy to that everybody's seen in your
[2:27:58] Speaker 3: senior year that we didn't know how to mimic because
[2:28:02] Speaker 3: there was nowhere to go for it.
[2:28:03] Speaker 2: We just had to see you play. So what he's
[2:28:06] Speaker 2: saying is to create those legacy stories where kids can
[2:28:09] Speaker 2: have something to pull from and say, yo.
[2:28:12] Speaker 3: I remember him. I watched the film, but that energy,
[2:28:16] Speaker 3: I play like that.
[2:28:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
[2:28:18] Speaker 3: Oh, AI, man, how he's running around, doing all, getting hit,
[2:28:21] Speaker 3: getting jumped up. Man, he was only this big. I
[2:28:24] Speaker 3: feel like that. Like, I get that.
[2:28:26] Speaker 2: That's the Michael Jordan come fly with me. That's the playground.
[2:28:30] Speaker 3: Like, that's that legacy that left behind. Kids should want
[2:28:33] Speaker 3: to play like... SGA, if you can score. Kids should
[2:28:37] Speaker 3: want a point guard like Halliburton, if you're a point guard.
[2:28:40] Speaker 2: You know?
[2:28:41] Speaker 3: A free man. You know, if you're a... You're short
[2:28:44] Speaker 3: or something, you can play like TJ. Yeah, you want
[2:28:46] Speaker 3: to play like TJ. You're a regular. If you want
[2:28:48] Speaker 3: to play, you know, like, they'll go Pascal. You know
[2:28:52] Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Because they're a big dude that... Hey, man,
[2:28:55] Speaker 3: I ain't the most athletic, but I can shoot. Man,
[2:28:58] Speaker 3: there's somebody there for you, buddy. He ain't got no mustache.
[2:29:01] Speaker 1: It's always a relationship. If you can't grow a mustache
[2:29:04] Speaker 1: like myself, I'll look like you.
[2:29:05] Speaker 3: The mustache is killed. Homeboy on the Cleveland Cavaliers had
[2:29:10] Speaker 3: a ponytail. He had a ponytail. And when I saw that,
[2:29:15] Speaker 3: I was like, oh, there's no way. There's no way
[2:29:17] Speaker 3: Cleveland is making it out of this situation. But that
[2:29:20] Speaker 3: dude running around here with a ponytail, no offense, but damn.
[2:29:24] Speaker 3: That's offensive. Bro, we can't have that. We can't have that.
[2:29:27] Speaker 3: The only dudes I know playing with ponytails is the
[2:29:30] Speaker 3: homies playing on Long Beach Bulls. Right. Them niggas used
[2:29:33] Speaker 3: to quit at halftime. They used to quit at halftime
[2:29:37] Speaker 3: and go fight.
[2:29:37] Speaker 2: They used to go fight each other at halftime.
[2:29:40] Speaker 3: Then, like, four dudes come back, and he'd be playing 5-4.
[2:29:43] Speaker 2: But it was always the.
[2:29:44] Speaker 3: Dude with the ponytail.
[2:29:46] Speaker 1: So we asked each other, they think that the Pacers
[2:29:48] Speaker 1: can force a game seven. We asked the chat if
[2:29:51] Speaker 1: they think the Patriots can force a game seven. 56%
[2:29:52] Speaker 1: of the chat thinks that the Patriots can force a
[2:29:54] Speaker 1: game seven.
[2:29:55] Speaker 2: But let's move on to Mostly Fans. Let's go.
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[2:30:00] Speaker 1: Use promo code GIL. Get $ 1, 000 in bonus cash plus
[2:30:03] Speaker 1: a special pick-up. So we have one question for the couch.
[2:30:06] Speaker 1: Curious to get you gentlemen's opinions. And, Baron, thank you
[2:30:10] Speaker 1: again for pulling up. Get you in the game. Coming soon.
[2:30:12] Speaker 1: You got Bart Oatmeal. A lot of things that you're
[2:30:14] Speaker 1: doing out here. I got the music dropping.
[2:30:16] Speaker 3: Bart Oatmeal, man. Oatmeal Radio Cafe. You got a lot
[2:30:18] Speaker 3: of stuff going on. That's still cut. That's still cut.
[2:30:23] Speaker 3: That's still cut going.
[2:30:25] Speaker 1: So we got a question from Underdog user Capo Deuce.
[2:30:28] Speaker 1: Wants to know, would you trade KD for Chet and Picks?
[2:30:32] Speaker 1: Would you trade Kevin Ray back to the Thunder for
[2:30:34] Speaker 1: Chet Holmgren and Picks?
[2:30:35] Speaker 2: I've been saying that.
[2:30:37] Speaker 1: Yes.
[2:30:38] Speaker 2: Norris, you shaking your head now?
[2:30:40] Speaker 3: Why not?
[2:30:41] Speaker 2: I've been saying that.
[2:30:42] Speaker 4: I like my core like it is. I'm about to
[2:30:43] Speaker 4: win a championship without him. What am I doing? What
[2:30:49] Speaker 4: are we doing?
[2:30:52] Speaker 2: I like this core. Are we getting better though?
[2:30:55] Speaker 11: If it ain't broke, we're not fixing it. If it
[2:30:58] Speaker 11: ain't broke, we're not fixing it.
[2:31:00] Speaker 3: I would say yes because teams ain't going to be
[2:31:04] Speaker 3: hurt next year. And team's going to be stronger. They're
[2:31:08] Speaker 3: going to prepare for this. You have to think about
[2:31:13] Speaker 3: the value of Chet, the potential of Chet. But then
[2:31:17] Speaker 3: you think about like, OKC is kind of like in
[2:31:22] Speaker 3: a golden state, state of mind. And if you can
[2:31:26] Speaker 3: throw a KD in there. That's a guaranteed dub. Would
[2:31:31] Speaker 3: you do this if you were the son? Yeah, it is. Oh,
[2:31:35] Speaker 3: it's not. I just watched it not work.
[2:31:38] Speaker 9: We just watched that not work.
[2:31:41] Speaker 3: You following the trend. It doesn't work in Phoenix because
[2:31:46] Speaker 3: that is the wrong... mix of talent. It didn't work
[2:31:49] Speaker 3: in Brooklyn either.
[2:31:50] Speaker 2: If you're the Suns, you make that trade.
[2:31:53] Speaker 3: And Brooklyn, sorry, was like three little feet from going
[2:31:59] Speaker 3: to the finals.
[2:32:00] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So you can't say it
[2:32:02] Speaker 1: didn't work. So I think this is from the Suns' perspective.
[2:32:05] Speaker 1: Would you trade KD to the Thunder for Chet? I
[2:32:08] Speaker 1: would do it if I'm the Thunder. If you're the Suns,
[2:32:10] Speaker 1: would you make that trade?
[2:32:11] Speaker 4: The Suns have to do something different. They have to.
[2:32:13] Speaker 4: They're forced to have to.
[2:32:14] Speaker 2: So you're building around Chet?
[2:32:16] Speaker 3: OKC is not a lot to come back next year.
[2:32:20] Speaker 3: They're not allowed to come back next year.
[2:32:22] Speaker 4: But they have as great a chance as anybody, though.
[2:32:25] Speaker 3: So you're taking Chet as the centerpiece for the Phoenix
[2:32:29] Speaker 3: Suns with this trade?
[2:32:30] Speaker 2: With Book still there, though.
[2:32:32] Speaker 8: It's still book team, but check the future.
[2:32:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm taking check, chatting some picks.
[2:32:36] Speaker 4: Yeah, Phoenix did.
[2:32:37] Speaker 3: Phoenix, I'm taking check.
[2:32:40] Speaker 2: If I'm OKC, no. If you're OKC, why would we
[2:32:43] Speaker 2: do that? Because you're getting.
[2:32:45] Speaker 3: 20 points on top of what you're doing. We don't
[2:32:48] Speaker 3: need it. Kevin Durant is the only player. We don't
[2:32:50] Speaker 3: need it on top of nothing. Kevin Durant. is the...
[2:32:54] Speaker 3: Say it again, bro. You can put him on any team.
[2:32:58] Speaker 3: But what do you need? You don't need more scoring.
[2:33:01] Speaker 3: That's not what they need. They need blocks and rebounds.
[2:33:04] Speaker 3: You got Hardenstein for that.
[2:33:07] Speaker 2: You got Hardenstein. You got Hardenstein for that.
[2:33:10] Speaker 3: Hardenstein don't do what KD do.
[2:33:12] Speaker 2: What would KD do to Jalen Williams? Nothing.
[2:33:14] Speaker 4: Stun his girl.
[2:33:15] Speaker 3: No, he won't. Nothing. KD doesn't need the ball.
[2:33:18] Speaker 8: See, KD don't dribble the ball like that, dog.
[2:33:21] Speaker 7: Okay.
[2:33:21] Speaker 3: All right. J. Will is not Klay. If KD was
[2:33:24] Speaker 3: on the court right now. He acts like J. Will
[2:33:26] Speaker 3: is Klay. He's not Klay.
[2:33:26] Speaker 7: KD, you talking about KD coming in averaging 27 again?
[2:33:29] Speaker 3: No.
[2:33:29] Speaker 4: No, no, no.
[2:33:30] Speaker 3: I said that's a guarantee. He don't need to average 27.
[2:33:32] Speaker 3: I said that's a guarantee.
[2:33:34] Speaker 2: Add a dub.
[2:33:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, he don't need to average 27. This is a dub.
[2:33:38] Speaker 3: You're going to get a dub. But do we need it?
[2:33:41] Speaker 3: We just won the chip. You can use that dub
[2:33:43] Speaker 3: in this fight right now. Why?
[2:33:46] Speaker 7: We didn't need it that night. We got J-Dub. What
[2:33:49] Speaker 7: dub you talking about? The only dub we got is J-Dub.
[2:33:52] Speaker 3: He had to get 40. What do you mean he
[2:33:53] Speaker 3: had to get it? He had to get 30. I
[2:33:55] Speaker 3: can't get 520 somewhere. I can't get 520 somewhere.
[2:33:59] Speaker 11: All I'm saying is, if J-Dub gets you 40... Right?
[2:34:06] Speaker 3: If Shea gets you 30, where else can I get
[2:34:08] Speaker 3: me a guarantee at? Check. And where can he go up?
[2:34:12] Speaker 3: 15 with check. 15 with check. Tell me something.
[2:34:15] Speaker 2: Only plug and play.
[2:34:17] Speaker 3: Only plug and play. Only plug and play. If Shea
[2:34:20] Speaker 3: gets you 23, you get a win.
[2:34:22] Speaker 4: So what happens when this coach makes an adjustment and
[2:34:24] Speaker 4: KD gives him attitude that he hasn't been dealing with?
[2:34:26] Speaker 3: He ain't going to give him no attitude. Now you
[2:34:27] Speaker 3: want to create a scenario. No, I'm just asking. Get in.
[2:34:29] Speaker 3: Get in. Now you want the correct scenario. Because Phoenix
[2:34:32] Speaker 3: was trashed. Now you want the correct scenario. Why did
[2:34:36] Speaker 3: OKC want to bring him there?
[2:34:37] Speaker 11: Why did OKC want to bring him there?
[2:34:41] Speaker 3: It is. It is.
[2:34:42] Speaker 1: It is. No.
[2:34:44] Speaker 3: Time out, bro. Yes. Yes. Time out. Yes. It don't
[2:34:48] Speaker 3: even make sense. It don't make sense.
[2:34:49] Speaker 2: It makes no sense. Oh, my God.
[2:34:50] Speaker 3: It's a different organization.
[2:34:52] Speaker 4: Talk to me, B.
[2:34:52] Speaker 3: Talk to me.
[2:34:53] Speaker 4: How does that make sense?
[2:34:54] Speaker 3: OKC is building. They building. They building to win championships. OK,
[2:34:57] Speaker 3: we got check. We need to sustain.
[2:35:00] Speaker 2: We need to grow out.
[2:35:01] Speaker 3: Phoenix, when they got KD, they was already discombobulated. They
[2:35:07] Speaker 3: had lost Aiden. They had lost the Chris Paul shit.
[2:35:11] Speaker 3: They were unraveling.
[2:35:12] Speaker 4: They brought two championship coaches in. They got fired.
[2:35:16] Speaker 3: And the players stayed the same, so it wasn't the coaches. Exactly.
[2:35:19] Speaker 11: So why would I want to bring in something from
[2:35:21] Speaker 11: that cough? I don't want to bring that into my championship.
[2:35:24] Speaker 11: You brought Bradley Bill in. And it wasn't a good fit.
[2:35:31] Speaker 11: I still got KD.
[2:35:32] Speaker 4: I still got KD.
[2:35:34] Speaker 2: And it didn't work.
[2:35:35] Speaker 3: It's supposed to work. It didn't work miserably. You brought
[2:35:39] Speaker 3: two coaches in that are championship coaches. You have elite talent.
[2:35:44] Speaker 3: How the fuck you can't make that work?
[2:35:45] Speaker 4: Because the players does not want to be held accountable.
[2:35:48] Speaker 2: That's why.
[2:35:49] Speaker 3: Then the coach needs to get fired.
[2:35:54] Speaker 4: So you're just going to fire championship coaches and these
[2:35:56] Speaker 4: dudes stay the same?
[2:35:57] Speaker 3: Man, if you can't get your players to show up
[2:36:00] Speaker 3: and you got three. You got three.
[2:36:05] Speaker 4: These dudes don't want to be here.
[2:36:06] Speaker 3: Bro, you got three superstars. We're talking about OKC asking
[2:36:10] Speaker 3: the question, why would we go over.
[2:36:12] Speaker 4: Here and bring that?
[2:36:13] Speaker 11: And I've been spanking that. I've been spanking it. I've
[2:36:17] Speaker 11: been spanking it.
[2:36:18] Speaker 3: You just got to hope that Chet becomes....
[2:36:24] Speaker 1: That dominant. Hope works at the shake joint, as Kenyon
[2:36:28] Speaker 1: has pointed out.
[2:36:29] Speaker 3: Why he can't stay how he is? Why he can't
[2:36:31] Speaker 3: be the third wheel?
[2:36:32] Speaker 1: That's a good place for us to wrap up here
[2:36:34] Speaker 1: for today. BD, appreciate you coming through.
[2:36:37] Speaker 3: History of the game coming soon.
[2:36:39] Speaker 2: Old Mill Radio Cafe.
[2:36:41] Speaker 3: That's field cut. What?
[2:36:44] Speaker 2: Shout out to Gil.
[2:36:44] Speaker 1: Hopefully you made your flight, Gil. I know you didn't, though.
[2:36:47] Speaker 1: I know you're just sitting in the parking lot. You're
[2:36:48] Speaker 1: going to miss the flight anyway. You'll be on a
[2:36:50] Speaker 1: later flight with me, but appreciate y'all. I'm going to
[2:36:51] Speaker 1: be out the next two days, but the rest of
[2:36:53] Speaker 1: the crew is going to be here to hold it
[2:36:54] Speaker 1: down for all of y'all. Thank you to everybody in
[2:36:56] Speaker 1: the chat. Thank you to everybody on this couch. This
[2:36:58] Speaker 1: has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:37:00] Speaker 3: They will see y'all tomorrow.

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