# The Arena Debates the HYPE Around the T-Wolves, Detroit's New Identity & ZO Addressing Retirement Part 1

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 30 Sep 2026, 1 h 17 min.

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Gilbert Arenas, DeMarcus Cousins, Danny Green and Josiah Johnson bring you the best NBA show on the planet! This episode the couch discusses BigBaby's beef with Gil, Isiah Stewart and Eubanks altercation, Pistons new identity and new young squad in Minnesota + more! Presented by Polymarket - the world's largest prediction market. Use code ARENA when you sign up for a $50 bonus with a qualifying deposit of $10. https://app.polymarket.us/S8ac/ARENA 18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See http://polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. Follow Gil's Arena on socials: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/gilsarena0/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/GilsArena0 Threads - https://www.threads.com/@gilsarena0 Twitter/X - https://x.com/GilsArenaShow Twitch - https://www.twitch.tv/gilsarenashow TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@gilsarena TimeStamps: 0:00-Cast intro 3:30 -BigBaby calls out Gil 13:22 -Stewart and Drew Eubanks brawl 21:05 - Pistons new Identity 1:05:04 - state of the wolves (Timestamps may vary based on ads) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena, presented by Polymark and empowered
[0:02] Speaker 1: by Playmaker. I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson. I'm here
[0:10] Speaker 1: with NBA legend, 2K Unk, with badges, Gilbert Arenas. I
[0:20] Speaker 1: think you're going to need those martial arts in the
[0:22] Speaker 1: near future.
[0:23] Speaker 2: I heard.
[0:23] Speaker 1: You got people looking for you.
[0:25] Speaker 2: They're looking for you. I heard.
[0:29] Speaker 1: We're going to talk about it in a second. We
[0:31] Speaker 1: got NCAA champion of the world, three-time NBA champion of
[0:34] Speaker 1: the world. And when he's not in the arena, you
[0:36] Speaker 1: can check out his Inside the Green Room podcast or
[0:40] Speaker 1: catch him calling Lakers games. Danny Green, back in the arena.
[0:47] Speaker 1: Saw you at Lakers Media Day doing your thing.
[0:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, man. First one. It was cool. Let's move. What's happening? Yeah,
[0:54] Speaker 2: good energy, you know.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Oh, really?
[0:55] Speaker 3: Obviously, day one, everybody's positive. Everybody can win the championship
[0:58] Speaker 3: day one.
[0:59] Speaker 2: The goals, you know.
[1:00] Speaker 3: Everybody's happy to play with each other until it can
[1:03] Speaker 3: rebrand yourself. But they, you know, had good energy. A
[1:06] Speaker 3: lot of good character quality guys.
[1:08] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:10] Speaker 1: Interesting times there. Still one LeBron left.
[1:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still one LeBron left. We still got one
[1:17] Speaker 2: LeBron left.
[1:18] Speaker 1: And we got four-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection, DeMarcus Cousins
[1:24] Speaker 1: back in the building. So we got a lot of
[1:31] Speaker 1: things to discuss. Here's what's cracking in the arena today.
[1:35] Speaker 1: The White Emberwolves have one of the most exciting young
[1:39] Speaker 1: squads in the league. But will that excitement translate to
[1:42] Speaker 1: success on the court? After taking the top spot in
[1:45] Speaker 1: the East with a historic turnaround, the Pistons will have
[1:48] Speaker 1: a new identity this season. Are they doing enough to
[1:50] Speaker 1: keep their franchise player happy? And Lonzo Ball shut down
[1:54] Speaker 1: the retirement rumors but remains unsigned. We give some flowers
[1:58] Speaker 1: to one of the best point guards to come out
[2:00] Speaker 1: of SoCal. As a reminder, Mosey Fans is back for
[2:03] Speaker 1: all of our Super Chat. If you put a Super
[2:05] Speaker 1: Chat in there, drop a question. We will ask it
[2:07] Speaker 1: at the end of the show. We appreciate all y'all
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[3:19] Speaker 1: Gills Arena, everywhere you want to be. So shout out
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[3:25] Speaker 1: channel at gills arena show. And we appreciate y'all for
[3:29] Speaker 1: the subs. So yeah, we got to talk about some things.
[3:32] Speaker 1: I see you ready to squabble up plenty of people
[3:36] Speaker 1: that want to whoop gills ass for a variety of reasons,
[3:40] Speaker 1: many of which we cannot get into on the show,
[3:42] Speaker 1: but we can add big baby to that list. So
[3:45] Speaker 1: after big baby tried to snitch on you and other
[3:47] Speaker 1: famous NBA podcasters claiming your involvement in the NBA health
[3:51] Speaker 1: benefits plan scheme, which saw him do 17 months in prison.
[3:54] Speaker 1: You vehemently denied those accusations. You said the only fraud
[3:57] Speaker 1: you committed was with the Wizards when you took that
[3:59] Speaker 1: $ 100 million contract.
[4:01] Speaker 2: Yeah. That's what they say. That's what they say.
[4:04] Speaker 1: And you may or may not have thrown a little
[4:06] Speaker 1: shade at Big Baby in the process. Well, Big Baby
[4:09] Speaker 1: made an appearance on Funny Marco's Open Thoughts show recently
[4:12] Speaker 1: and had this to say about you.
[4:14] Speaker 2: Are you in Gibbon Arena's friends? I don't like him.
[4:17] Speaker 2: I feel like you wasn't like him. I don't like that.
[4:20] Speaker 2: You want to slap him, don't you? I hate him.
[4:23] Speaker 1: I think he's cool, but he's like a weirdo.
[4:24] Speaker 2: He know how to capitalize off of people's shit. Yeah, bro.
[4:28] Speaker 4: He said some weird shit when my whole situation went down.
[4:30] Speaker 4: I haven't seen him yet, so if I see him,
[4:34] Speaker 4: You know, we need to have some talking.
[4:35] Speaker 2: Celebrity boxing match.
[4:36] Speaker 5: I beat the shit out that boy. Whoop his ass.
[4:42] Speaker 5: You know Gilbert can't fight. He from the valley. He
[4:46] Speaker 5: from the valley.
[4:48] Speaker 2: He's a valley kid.
[4:49] Speaker 6: There's some valley kids out there.
[4:50] Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather from the valley. Get they ass whooped. Floyd
[4:54] Speaker 2: Mayweather ain't from no damn valley. I know, I was trying.
[4:58] Speaker 1: I was trying. Detroit, Michigan, somewhere, God damn it.
[5:03] Speaker 2: Roaches and rats, man. I beat the shit out of Gilbert.
[5:06] Speaker 2: He said that three times.
[5:08] Speaker 1: He wants you to hear that.
[5:12] Speaker 2: Celebrity boxing match, Aiden.
[5:15] Speaker 5: Aiden been paying over $ 200, 000.
[5:17] Speaker 4: I need it. Let me get some, Aiden. I can't
[5:21] Speaker 4: do Gilbert, though. Gilbert's too little.
[5:23] Speaker 2: Nah, he can set you in there. We gonna set
[5:25] Speaker 2: that up. I beat the shit out of Gilbert.
[5:28] Speaker 1: Gil, if it wasn't clear in that video, I think
[5:30] Speaker 1: Big Baby wants to beat the shit.
[5:31] Speaker 2: Out of you. No, no, no. He gave himself an out.
[5:36] Speaker 6: He said I'm too little because he was lucky.
[5:39] Speaker 2: He's lucky because if we was the same weight, what?
[5:43] Speaker 2: If we was the same weight, I would have whooped
[5:45] Speaker 2: his ass. But since I'm too little, you know what
[5:49] Speaker 2: I mean, this can't even happen.
[5:51] Speaker 1: You feel me? Different weight classes for sure.
[5:54] Speaker 2: In a ring, you know what I'm saying, you could
[5:55] Speaker 2: bob weave. Whoa, whoa, whoa. No, you're not going to. Whoa.
[5:59] Speaker 2: If they put the bread up, you know what I'm saying,
[6:01] Speaker 2: y'all get that. Brother, let me keep my out.
[6:03] Speaker 1: Okay.
[6:04] Speaker 2: You feel me? Let me stay too little. Okay. At first,
[6:08] Speaker 2: I didn't even... I was like, yo, why he keep
[6:10] Speaker 2: fucking with me?
[6:12] Speaker 3: Bro, you got... You in better shape, bro. You could definitely...
[6:14] Speaker 3: He ain't gonna catch you. He ain't gonna be able
[6:16] Speaker 3: to catch you, Gil.
[6:16] Speaker 1: You good.
[6:17] Speaker 2: You got this. In high school, I was... At high school,
[6:20] Speaker 2: I had the hands... I still got the knuckle scars
[6:22] Speaker 2: from back then. But look, these days, I want to
[6:25] Speaker 2: win a fight.
[6:26] Speaker 1: Gloves.
[6:26] Speaker 2: Gloves. No, no, no, no, no, no. Gloves. They there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[6:30] Speaker 2: I thought you was asking. No, no, no. I put two... Listen,
[6:32] Speaker 2: I put 200 in before I got to college.
[6:34] Speaker 1: Okay, okay. Yeah.
[6:35] Speaker 2: But, but.
[6:36] Speaker 1: What was your record here in those 200?
[6:38] Speaker 2: I lost to a girl.
[6:40] Speaker 1: You lost to a girl?
[6:41] Speaker 2: A girl. Okay.
[6:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[6:42] Speaker 2: But girls mature faster than boys. Yeah, I was getting paid.
[6:45] Speaker 2: I was getting paid. You know, I had a little
[6:47] Speaker 2: MMA back then, a little martial arts. So I was,
[6:49] Speaker 2: I was trying it out.
[6:50] Speaker 3: I really think, girl, you in better, like you, four
[6:53] Speaker 3: to six months, get you in shape. He ain't gonna
[6:55] Speaker 3: be able to catch you. You got that.
[6:57] Speaker 2: And they can move a little faster than he looks.
[6:59] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm not stupid. That's what I'm not. Yeah,
[7:07] Speaker 2: but I was confused with, like, yo, what did I do?
[7:11] Speaker 2: Why he keeps coming at me? So when I first.
[7:14] Speaker 6: Heard it, I was like, wait a minute.
[7:17] Speaker 2: He said, when I got in trouble, when I was trolling,
[7:21] Speaker 2: he said I was going to snitch on, you know,
[7:23] Speaker 2: the people who was renting my house. I thought he
[7:26] Speaker 2: thought that the other NBA players who got in trouble
[7:29] Speaker 2: later on or something, I thought he thought that I
[7:31] Speaker 2: snitched on them. I've never seen them since we played,
[7:35] Speaker 2: so I thought that was it. But then he just
[7:37] Speaker 2: said that when he got in trouble, I did a
[7:41] Speaker 2: video on him.
[7:43] Speaker 6: Because, you know, he said he was going, he can't
[7:45] Speaker 6: wait to go to jail because he was going to
[7:46] Speaker 6: jack off in there.
[7:48] Speaker 2: I was like.
[7:50] Speaker 1: I'm on the internet all day I must have missed
[7:52] Speaker 1: that one he did.
[7:53] Speaker 6: I remember so I did a video on that scene.
[7:57] Speaker 3: When he got locked up he made some funny I
[7:59] Speaker 3: mean I don't remember that part I remember him like
[8:01] Speaker 3: damn he had like three years he was like he's
[8:04] Speaker 3: always one to make comedy.
[8:05] Speaker 2: Of anything he sat down for three He was supposed
[8:08] Speaker 2: to do like 40 months.
[8:09] Speaker 1: He did 17 months.
[8:11] Speaker 2: Good behavior, but I think they originally gave him like three.
[8:13] Speaker 1: In that same interview, though, he did say his favorite
[8:14] Speaker 1: part of prison was burrito day.
[8:16] Speaker 2: So he was trolling the situation. He was trolling the situation.
[8:20] Speaker 2: But it was like he did the lighthearted thing.
[8:23] Speaker 6: So I went on, you know, did my little comically relief.
[8:26] Speaker 2: So I don't know if he thinks that is serious.
[8:28] Speaker 2: But you know what I mean? But if I did
[8:30] Speaker 2: weigh 300. I would have whooped his ass for sure.
[8:34] Speaker 1: Big baby about 6'9.
[8:35] Speaker 2: I mean, but I would have said, but if I was,
[8:38] Speaker 2: I'm just letting you know, if I was 300, I
[8:43] Speaker 2: would have whooped that ass. But we both lucky. We
[8:48] Speaker 2: both lucky I'm little. That's all I'm saying. I would
[8:52] Speaker 2: have been that motherfucker. But because I'm little. Nah, we
[8:57] Speaker 2: don't even need to go down that route. You know,
[9:00] Speaker 2: that's what I got to say. You know, if I wait,
[9:02] Speaker 2: Joe wait.
[9:04] Speaker 1: Who are you pointing to, me or Boogie?
[9:05] Speaker 2: That's unnecessary. That's unnecessary. It was unnecessary to bring me
[9:09] Speaker 2: in there. Because he pointed over this line.
[9:12] Speaker 6: I didn't know where the point was going.
[9:14] Speaker 2: If I was swinging weight like y'all.
[9:16] Speaker 1: You just complimented my arm skinniness on the show yesterday.
[9:21] Speaker 2: I had a nigga to DDT for real. But now
[9:24] Speaker 2: I got to watch what I say. I got to
[9:28] Speaker 2: go watch. But what if he was serious? He did say,
[9:31] Speaker 2: I think, at least four times. He said it a
[9:33] Speaker 2: couple times.
[9:33] Speaker 1: Four times I want to beat the shit out of him.
[9:35] Speaker 2: But he said we need to talk. But it was
[9:36] Speaker 2: one joking one. So I'm going to use that one
[9:39] Speaker 2: as the... I'm going to keep that out. Stop trying
[9:43] Speaker 2: to keep me in. I don't know what they call
[9:45] Speaker 2: Aiden Ross for.
[9:46] Speaker 1: So that brings me to my next question, Gil. Next
[9:51] Speaker 1: question for you. How much money would Aiden Ross have
[9:53] Speaker 1: to put up to get you in the ring with
[9:55] Speaker 1: Big Baby for a celebrity boxing match? Not saying you
[9:57] Speaker 1: have to do it. I just want to know what's
[9:58] Speaker 1: that number so we can negotiate. We can get some
[10:01] Speaker 1: new lights in here. We got to put the hospital
[10:04] Speaker 1: bill in there.
[10:06] Speaker 2: That's the first thing.
[10:07] Speaker 6: I already know one hit, dog.
[10:09] Speaker 2: That shit going to hurt bad. Probably won't. No, it
[10:14] Speaker 2: probably will. You can move, man. They probably quit. Mop.
[10:19] Speaker 1: What's the number? Aiden Ross, fan of Gil's Arena.
[10:22] Speaker 2: Right-handed, right? Boom. These souvenirs gone. Those are broke.
[10:28] Speaker 1: Just do the Martin running around the ring.
[10:30] Speaker 2: 10, 15.
[10:35] Speaker 6: Because I don't need to train for this.
[10:37] Speaker 1: No training?
[10:38] Speaker 2: Ain't no point in training six months to get hit
[10:41] Speaker 2: the same way I can get hit when I'm not training.
[10:43] Speaker 2: You can train. We're not trying to keep this long enough.
[10:46] Speaker 2: The more rounds, the more bread. No, when you get
[10:48] Speaker 2: in shape, that means you're trying to pretend you can
[10:51] Speaker 2: take some of these hits. That's broke rib, broke jaw. Nah,
[10:54] Speaker 2: we ain't got time for that. The more rounds you last,
[10:56] Speaker 2: the more money you get.
[10:58] Speaker 1: You can train with Swaggy P.
[10:59] Speaker 2: The bonuses. And you see what happened to him. Apollo.
[11:04] Speaker 2: And he got hit out the ring. I'm good.
[11:08] Speaker 1: A solid technique, Gil.
[11:10] Speaker 2: So I got knocked out the ring? He got hit
[11:12] Speaker 2: on the back of his head. Damn.
[11:15] Speaker 1: Hey, chat, we good. What's the number, though, Gil?
[11:18] Speaker 2: Huh?
[11:18] Speaker 1: Aiden Ross said, I will give you blank to fight
[11:21] Speaker 1: Big Baby in a celebrity boxing match.
[11:26] Speaker 3: At the very minimum, it has to be, what, 10, 15?
[11:30] Speaker 2: Thousand or million? They big millions over there, bro. Talking
[11:34] Speaker 2: no grand. Yeah, they talking about millions over there. I mean,
[11:46] Speaker 2: a nice little meal cash.
[11:50] Speaker 1: A meal?
[11:50] Speaker 2: That's it. You could ask for like five. You could
[11:52] Speaker 2: ask for like five.
[11:55] Speaker 1: I could.
[11:55] Speaker 2: I'm your manager, so you got to put that for me.
[11:57] Speaker 3: You could ask, like, five or ten. Bro, you could say, like, yo,
[11:59] Speaker 3: you said, like, five. I'm going to sell the fight.
[12:01] Speaker 2: At least five with bonuses. Yo, the chat.
[12:03] Speaker 1: Said you're stalling right now. They said pick a number
[12:07] Speaker 1: if you're really about that life. Listen, you're a Valley boy.
[12:10] Speaker 2: He said I'm a Valley boy. So now I got
[12:12] Speaker 2: to think like a Valley boy. I'm going to say
[12:16] Speaker 2: $ 10 million because $ 10 million means I don't want to
[12:19] Speaker 2: do it. But if you pay the $ 10 million, if
[12:22] Speaker 2: you dumb enough to pay me the $ 10 million. I'm
[12:24] Speaker 2: forced to do it.
[12:25] Speaker 1: I'm forced to do it. Aiden Ross, if you're watching
[12:28] Speaker 1: the show, $ 10 million is me and Gil's number.
[12:31] Speaker 2: I'm Don King.
[12:32] Speaker 1: I'll take my 20% off.
[12:37] Speaker 2: You can't just steal my position.
[12:39] Speaker 1: We split it. You bigger than me, buddy.
[12:43] Speaker 2: You can have more. I'm a team player, bro. I
[12:47] Speaker 2: got to give big baby half. Listen, don't hit me
[12:49] Speaker 2: in the face, man. I like my face. Hit me
[12:51] Speaker 2: in the rib. A little broken rib don't matter.
[12:54] Speaker 1: You can't talk on the show, girl.
[12:56] Speaker 2: I don't need that rib.
[12:57] Speaker 1: You need your rib to talk. We will fulfill the
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[13:08] Speaker 1: All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. Speaking of fisticuffs.
[13:12] Speaker 7: I'm not having my back shattered.
[13:17] Speaker 1: I know that sound. That sound is so crazy.
[13:19] Speaker 2: That sound crazy.
[13:22] Speaker 1: Speaking of fisticuffs, back in February of 2024, there was
[13:26] Speaker 1: a pregame altercation involving then-piston Isaiah Stewart and then-son Drew Eubanks.
[13:32] Speaker 1: With Stewart allegedly sucker punching Eubanks and getting arrested for
[13:35] Speaker 1: assault hours before the game, Beef Stew was subsequently issued
[13:38] Speaker 1: a citation and released while Eubanks still played in the game.
[13:42] Speaker 1: But Fox 10 in Phoenix recently acquired the video and
[13:45] Speaker 1: will allow you to be the judge of the situation
[13:48] Speaker 1: that went down. So this is the tunnel before the game.
[13:50] Speaker 1: Beef Stew rolls up on him. Is it really a punch?
[13:53] Speaker 1: Was it like a slap or a punch? I don't
[13:55] Speaker 1: think a punch. A punch, I think somebody would react
[13:58] Speaker 1: a little different. The sucker punch, the internet has pointed out,
[14:01] Speaker 1: Eubanks ate the punch. Like a school lunch. We can
[14:07] Speaker 1: see Beef Stew strolling up on him. Unclear what words
[14:10] Speaker 1: were exchanged to lead up to that. And then stealing
[14:15] Speaker 1: on him.
[14:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, man. I mean, I would have failed, for sure.
[14:24] Speaker 2: I would have failed.
[14:28] Speaker 6: To be honest, it looked like a love tap hit.
[14:35] Speaker 2: It was like, you know, like I was having it.
[14:37] Speaker 2: It looked like one of those. It didn't look like
[14:39] Speaker 2: he was trying to, like, really knock his ass out.
[14:41] Speaker 1: He was checking the temperature. Yeah.
[14:43] Speaker 2: Just checking to look. See, that's that big. That's that big. Yeah.
[14:49] Speaker 2: Where the temperature check is a little, little, little jab.
[14:52] Speaker 2: So that don't look like he was putting power into it.
[14:56] Speaker 2: Why is it coming out now?
[14:58] Speaker 1: I just, I don't know. That's the part that I
[15:00] Speaker 1: was confused. Phoenix takes a little time to acquire things
[15:02] Speaker 1: that have been out there.
[15:03] Speaker 2: How long ago did this happen?
[15:05] Speaker 1: February 2024.
[15:05] Speaker 2: Two years ago then? Where is he right now?
[15:08] Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's on the Knicks roster,
[15:11] Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. Obviously, beefs do it with the
[15:13] Speaker 1: Grizzlies now.
[15:14] Speaker 3: I mean, that's like imagining the Bam Tally Hero should
[15:16] Speaker 3: come out in 2029.
[15:17] Speaker 2: It will. In 2027. 2028. 2027, 2028. Like, I mean,
[15:18] Speaker 2: what does this do? I just don't get the point.
[15:27] Speaker 1: Just give some context. We read the story. Obviously, B-Stew
[15:29] Speaker 1: was suspended three games. What was the history behind it?
[15:31] Speaker 2: Something happened in the game.
[15:32] Speaker 1: Something happened in the game?
[15:34] Speaker 7: He was running his mouth and saying, hey, there's consequences
[15:37] Speaker 7: for when you talk shit.
[15:38] Speaker 2: Simple as that.
[15:39] Speaker 1: B-Stew, a man who remembers things. He's about action.
[15:41] Speaker 3: We know he'll chase the motherfucker down.
[15:45] Speaker 1: Watch what you say. Or say what you mean. Drop
[15:49] Speaker 1: the bag. Bing to the... Yeah, that was quick, too.
[15:51] Speaker 2: Bop, bop. What's up? This is what I think Detroit
[15:54] Speaker 2: will miss. I've been looking for you. Hello. Kylo, can
[15:57] Speaker 2: we see it one more time, please? Just the first part. Yeah,
[16:01] Speaker 2: that could have been me, dog. That could have been me.
[16:05] Speaker 2: The sock, as he drops the bag, squares up. One motion.
[16:08] Speaker 1: And gives him a push. All right, Kylo, appreciate you.
[16:10] Speaker 2: One motion.
[16:11] Speaker 1: The sock, as he drops the bag.
[16:13] Speaker 2: Did he go back to get punched again?
[16:15] Speaker 1: I think you may have put his stuff down and said,
[16:17] Speaker 1: listen here, buddy. That's what I'm saying.
[16:18] Speaker 2: He walks away. Listen here, buddy. Security.
[16:22] Speaker 1: Security stepped in, separated the situation. So a question for
[16:27] Speaker 1: you guys. We'll expand this out. How often do situations
[16:30] Speaker 1: like this go down in a tunnel before or after
[16:32] Speaker 1: games between players from opposing teams?
[16:34] Speaker 2: In today's NBA? Nah. 10, 15 years ago.
[16:40] Speaker 3: I'm sure there were conversations and scuffles happen mostly within
[16:43] Speaker 3: their own locker room.
[16:44] Speaker 1: Okay.
[16:45] Speaker 3: You know, most guys have their scruffles, you know, hash
[16:52] Speaker 3: it out. Because back then it was super competitive. Everybody's
[16:55] Speaker 3: fighting for position, fighting for spot, want the ball, hey,
[16:56] Speaker 3: give me the, I need the ball. Now it's very
[17:00] Speaker 3: much more of a sportsmanship, team sport.
[17:03] Speaker 2: Everybody loves it. You can't grow from no feathers, man.
[17:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, and ain't none of that happening where you're checking
[17:08] Speaker 3: your teammate in the locker room no more, and even
[17:09] Speaker 3: on the other side of it, because also the fines
[17:11] Speaker 3: are heavy.
[17:12] Speaker 7: Yeah, they'd rather you go tail behind closed doors or something.
[17:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, the fines are heavy.
[17:18] Speaker 3: Nobody wants to be fined or suspended before you can
[17:20] Speaker 3: fight in the game and still play.
[17:21] Speaker 1: No, that ain't true. I mean, we got Draymond.
[17:24] Speaker 3: Draymond gets away. He got a long release. He can
[17:26] Speaker 3: talk some.
[17:26] Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that situation in practice. I mean... Yeah, yeah.
[17:31] Speaker 1: Forgot about that one.
[17:31] Speaker 2: That one came out.
[17:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, it don't happen as much anymore. I mean, Draymond's
[17:34] Speaker 3: punched motherfuckers in the game before. You know what I'm saying?
[17:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, not like... Not like that. Not like that. Nerkich?
[17:40] Speaker 1: What?
[17:40] Speaker 2: The hardest punch was probably the Draymond that I've witnessed.
[17:47] Speaker 3: Draymond punched Nerkich harder than he hit Eubanks just now.
[17:50] Speaker 2: What about when Draymond punched George?
[17:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
[17:52] Speaker 2: But I'm saying, he's hit people in the game. That
[17:54] Speaker 2: was a damn... Yeah, but that's not. That's the I
[17:59] Speaker 2: can't see you wild punch. That's very different. It ain't
[18:03] Speaker 2: happening no more. Nah, it's not happening no more. That's 80s.
[18:06] Speaker 2: That's 80s, 70s. We're fine.
[18:09] Speaker 1: I'm a different type of player.
[18:11] Speaker 6: No, it's not the different type of players.
[18:13] Speaker 2: It's the era. It's not even the era. It's the
[18:16] Speaker 2: penalty era. Right, you know what I mean? You get $ 50, $ 5, 000,
[18:19] Speaker 2: $ 1, 000 fine. Today, if you fine someone 20 grand, to
[18:30] Speaker 2: punch another player that they don't.
[18:31] Speaker 6: Like, they're going to do that.
[18:32] Speaker 1: If they lowered the fines?
[18:34] Speaker 3: Okay.
[18:34] Speaker 2: If they lowered the, like back then, $ 100, it was
[18:36] Speaker 2: $ 500 to $ 1, 000. Of course I will pop you. You're
[18:41] Speaker 2: talking about game checks now. Multiple games, yeah. $ 600, 000, like
[18:45] Speaker 2: dudes making $ 600, 000. Nobody's trying to lose that on a
[18:48] Speaker 2: dude that I just would just.
[18:50] Speaker 1: You got to spend it for that, right? You got
[18:51] Speaker 1: to spend three games for that.
[18:52] Speaker 2: Three games? Yeah, three games. But I mean, three game checks.
[18:58] Speaker 2: When did his contract kick in? That's a good question.
[19:01] Speaker 2: Melo got half a year for that. Back in the day. Yeah,
[19:06] Speaker 2: but that was like... That was right after the.
[19:09] Speaker 7: Oh, it's because they went in the stands.
[19:12] Speaker 3: In the stands, yeah. The Detroit game. Benches cleared, they
[19:16] Speaker 3: had to make a statement.
[19:17] Speaker 2: It was a little more, but... Same action. That's what
[19:21] Speaker 2: I said, even back when your dad played. The fines
[19:25] Speaker 2: were so nothing.
[19:26] Speaker 1: That They were dealing with other things back there.
[19:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll steal on you quick.
[19:31] Speaker 1: They weren't feeling those punches. They were living life to
[19:35] Speaker 1: the fullest.
[19:35] Speaker 2: I just said, like, even, like, losing a whole game, like, six,
[19:42] Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand. Then they put three, four of them
[19:44] Speaker 2: games together. Now you're talking about two million for a punch?
[19:47] Speaker 1: You really got to dislike somebody. Yeah.
[19:51] Speaker 2: If you dislike somebody that much in the NBA, that
[19:54] Speaker 2: is personal beef that's been going on for years. That's
[19:58] Speaker 2: not we just talking shit in the game. Talking about
[20:01] Speaker 2: that type of action?
[20:02] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[20:02] Speaker 2: Now that look like I've been talking shit in the game.
[20:04] Speaker 2: I'm going to see you next time.
[20:06] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[20:06] Speaker 2: I want to see if you're really about what you're
[20:09] Speaker 2: talking about. Like, if this was the game, or if
[20:13] Speaker 2: Beef Stew knew that Cameron was there, he wouldn't have
[20:15] Speaker 2: did it. He wouldn't have did it. Like, he has
[20:17] Speaker 2: a lot more control than you think. Yeah. Like, when
[20:20] Speaker 2: you look at some of his action, he's a family man,
[20:22] Speaker 2: so he do think about his actions. Oh, absolutely.
[20:25] Speaker 1: But he, I mean, I remember him trying to square
[20:26] Speaker 1: up against the Bucs. There's been numerous.
[20:28] Speaker 2: Against the Hornets, whatever. He bought that action. No, he
[20:30] Speaker 2: bought that action. Yeah, 100%. But again... He got to
[20:34] Speaker 2: go home to the family and explain, hey, was he
[20:36] Speaker 2: worth $ 200, 000? Nah, nope. I like beef stew. Catch him
[20:41] Speaker 2: in the summer.
[20:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, I like beef stew.
[20:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it, too.
[20:43] Speaker 1: I've had some conversations with him.
[20:44] Speaker 3: If this happened in the summertime, the suspension still, like,
[20:47] Speaker 3: are they able to still?
[20:48] Speaker 2: They'll try to find. They'll investigate. And find. What's the investigation?
[20:53] Speaker 3: You can't even catch motherfuckers in the summertime no more.
[20:56] Speaker 2: I don't know. It all depends. It all depends. If
[20:59] Speaker 2: they want to be nosy, who it is. If they
[21:01] Speaker 2: try to make an example.
[21:03] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[21:04] Speaker 1: But let's keep it on the subject of beef, Stu.
[21:06] Speaker 1: So Isaiah Stewart spent the first six seasons of his
[21:08] Speaker 1: career with the Pistons, serving as the team's enforcer while
[21:12] Speaker 1: embodying and personifying the Pistons' bad boy 2.0 culture with
[21:16] Speaker 1: an aggressive defensive style and numerous on-court situations and altercations.
[21:20] Speaker 1: Played a role in the team's historic turnaround from worst
[21:22] Speaker 1: to first, but the Pistons traded him to the Grizzlies
[21:25] Speaker 1: this offseason to give them cap flexibility to extend Azar
[21:29] Speaker 1: Thompson and hopefully Jalen Duren. We'll see where that goes.
[21:32] Speaker 1: Apparently they removed the weight clause from Durant's contract still
[21:35] Speaker 1: at the $ 200 million. We'll see what's going on there.
[21:37] Speaker 1: But Cade Cunningham coming off the best season of his career,
[21:40] Speaker 1: finishing fifth in MVP voting, making first team All-NBA for
[21:44] Speaker 1: the first time in his career. So during a recent
[21:45] Speaker 1: interview with the Detroit Free Press's Omari Sankofa, Cade had
[21:49] Speaker 1: this to say about the Pistons moving on from Beef Stew.
[21:53] Speaker 1: He said, that's somebody that I planned on playing my
[21:56] Speaker 1: whole career with for him to not be around. It
[21:58] Speaker 1: is weird. It feels like I'm a rookie again, like
[22:01] Speaker 1: I'm stepping into something new. Because I don't have him
[22:04] Speaker 1: with me. Now, Cade and I wanted to be trifled with,
[22:07] Speaker 1: but when you have that security blanket, that safety blanket
[22:09] Speaker 1: that is a guy like Beef Stew Boogie, how much
[22:11] Speaker 1: will Cade Cunningham and the Pistons miss Beef Stew this season?
[22:15] Speaker 7: Before I answer that, I just want to point out something.
[22:18] Speaker 7: We had a segment a couple shows ago where we
[22:20] Speaker 7: were talking about what it looked like to support teammates
[22:24] Speaker 7: when they get traded. We talked about Jason Taylor and Brown.
[22:27] Speaker 7: That's what support looks like.
[22:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[22:29] Speaker 1: That's the answer.
[22:30] Speaker 7: And I'm not saying you got to go shit on
[22:32] Speaker 7: the organization, shit on the GM, the coach, but that's
[22:35] Speaker 7: supporting somebody that you supposedly.
[22:37] Speaker 2: Got love for.
[22:38] Speaker 7: So that's the difference. That's what I was looking for
[22:42] Speaker 7: in that scenario. So, so on to this, on to
[22:44] Speaker 7: these guys. Um, as far as beef stew, man, uh,
[22:48] Speaker 7: I'm a fan of them. I've had opportunity to, uh,
[22:51] Speaker 7: you know, kind of grow a relationship when we.
[22:53] Speaker 2: Chat here and there.
[22:54] Speaker 7: So, uh, I'm a fan of the kid and I'm
[22:56] Speaker 7: starting to understand the more I get to, uh, you know,
[22:59] Speaker 7: learn them.
[23:00] Speaker 2: So he's an old school big man.
[23:02] Speaker 7: Like if you've played this game long enough, you know
[23:05] Speaker 7: what the old school big man looks like. And it's
[23:08] Speaker 7: more so he's in a time that he's in a
[23:11] Speaker 7: time of the game where they kind of frown upon,
[23:13] Speaker 7: you know, those type of bigs. But he's a true
[23:15] Speaker 7: definition of an enforcer. And at one point in the
[23:19] Speaker 7: history of our game, it was one of those on
[23:20] Speaker 7: every team. So I do think the absence of him
[23:26] Speaker 7: and obviously the situation going on with Jalen Dern, I
[23:30] Speaker 7: think those two guys along with Cade played a huge
[23:33] Speaker 7: part in the standard, you know, the culture of this
[23:37] Speaker 7: new look Pistons and the identity they had as a
[23:40] Speaker 7: defensive group. I think those two bigs played a main
[23:43] Speaker 7: part in that. So obviously with those two, well, one
[23:46] Speaker 7: of them being gone and we kind of figuring out
[23:48] Speaker 7: what the situation would be with Dern, but I think
[23:50] Speaker 7: it's going to take a huge hit on the team
[23:52] Speaker 7: as far.
[23:52] Speaker 2: As the culture.
[23:53] Speaker 7: Now you still have your star franchise guy in Cade.
[23:56] Speaker 7: I think they're going to win a lot of games.
[23:59] Speaker 7: We're still going to have to wait and see what
[24:02] Speaker 7: the supporting cast looks like moving forward. But as far
[24:04] Speaker 7: as the identity, that team that we saw number one
[24:07] Speaker 7: in the East, that dominated the East all last year,
[24:11] Speaker 7: I think that's a thing of the past now. And
[24:14] Speaker 7: the main thing is because of the guys they let go.
[24:16] Speaker 7: So I do think the Pistons will still be competitive.
[24:20] Speaker 7: I'm interested to see what this new look looks like.
[24:23] Speaker 7: But I do think losing Stewart and possibly losing Durham
[24:27] Speaker 7: is a huge hit to this Pistons group.
[24:30] Speaker 1: So, Dan, let's move over to you. Obviously, you got
[24:32] Speaker 1: Kay Cunningham, played with Beef Stew for a long time,
[24:34] Speaker 1: always had him. That security blanket you have on the
[24:36] Speaker 1: court when anything goes down, you know he'll have no problem.
[24:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of how, you know, when Tyrese had
[24:42] Speaker 3: Johnson with him, James Johnson, right? Like, Tyrese is more confident,
[24:47] Speaker 3: comfortable out there. And everybody else on the court, if
[24:50] Speaker 3: something goes down, we got somebody that we know got
[24:52] Speaker 3: our back. But, I mean, to piggyback on what Boogie said,
[24:56] Speaker 3: like we talked before the show started When Memphis let
[24:59] Speaker 3: go of Dylan Brooks, like, that's a big part of
[25:02] Speaker 3: who they were. This is a big part of who
[25:04] Speaker 3: Detroit is. And, you know, I thought Detroit would still
[25:08] Speaker 3: be a really good team. You know, they was first
[25:10] Speaker 3: last year. I thought they would be top three this year. Now,
[25:13] Speaker 3: you may not lose Jalen Dern physically, but mentally, even
[25:18] Speaker 3: if he signs that, it don't seem like he will
[25:20] Speaker 3: be fully there. And if you lose him mentally, that's
[25:24] Speaker 3: a hit. So now you being one of the top
[25:27] Speaker 3: teams in the East, now you're playing probably at best
[25:29] Speaker 3: in the middle, like four or five seed, which is
[25:33] Speaker 3: a different route. Like you had an easier route to
[25:35] Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference Finals, which you.
[25:36] Speaker 2: Could have made. It's going to be tougher for them.
[25:38] Speaker 3: And I can see why Cade is like, yeah, a
[25:41] Speaker 3: lot of different new territory for him. Had a couple
[25:45] Speaker 3: coaching changes. Now one of his homies is gone. Jalen
[25:48] Speaker 3: Dern is going through contract negotiations. He's in the middle
[25:50] Speaker 3: of all these things. And, you know, that security blanket,
[25:55] Speaker 3: And that identity, that toughness, Tobias is going now. These
[25:59] Speaker 3: are important pieces of why they were good last year.
[26:01] Speaker 2: So, I mean, you know, you picked up John Collins.
[26:04] Speaker 2: Hopefully he signed Jay.
[26:05] Speaker 3: Lerner back and get him on the right page when
[26:07] Speaker 3: he does sign. But there's a lot of hurdles you
[26:12] Speaker 3: don't need right when the season starts. Like, media day
[26:15] Speaker 3: was just these past two weeks. Like, everybody should be
[26:17] Speaker 3: in a positive mode. Now, like, I hope he's here.
[26:20] Speaker 3: You know, you see Trajan talking. He's like, you know,
[26:23] Speaker 3: We'd love to have him here. I'd be happy when
[26:25] Speaker 3: he signs, but you've got to talk about that right
[26:27] Speaker 3: now instead of actually just thinking of playing basketball. So
[26:30] Speaker 3: many other things that are distractions when you look at
[26:33] Speaker 3: it in the bigger picture, grand scheme of things.
[26:36] Speaker 2: I don't know what Memphis.
[26:38] Speaker 3: Is going to be this year, but it's a good
[26:39] Speaker 3: pickup for them, but it's going to really hurt Detroit
[26:41] Speaker 3: losing Isaiah Stewart.
[26:42] Speaker 1: So you mentioned James Johnson with the Pacers. Wasn't on
[26:44] Speaker 1: the Pacers roster last season. Obviously, highly was hurt, and
[26:47] Speaker 1: they kind of threw that season away. Got fined for tanking.
[26:50] Speaker 1: Signed an Exhibit 9 contract, so a training camp contract,
[26:53] Speaker 1: with the Pacers this season. Back in the locker room.
[26:55] Speaker 1: Remains to be seen if he'll make it. He's going
[26:57] Speaker 1: to make it. He's back.
[26:59] Speaker 2: You know a little black? Go to him. You know
[27:01] Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Black belt. Get you a training for
[27:04] Speaker 2: Big Baby. Nah. I'm a fan ship now.
[27:13] Speaker 7: Hey, one thing I don't like about, you know, I
[27:16] Speaker 7: love what Indiana does, you know, for Halliburton as far
[27:19] Speaker 7: as finding him security and shit, but just speaking on
[27:21] Speaker 7: James Johnson's behalf, like, I wish there was a little
[27:25] Speaker 7: more respect around his name besides him.
[27:28] Speaker 2: Just being security. On top of that, he's a hell
[27:31] Speaker 2: of a person. Yeah, and a player. He's a very
[27:33] Speaker 2: good dude. Mm-hmm. He's very knowledgeable. He's a great vet.
[27:36] Speaker 2: He comes from a great system.
[27:38] Speaker 7: He was one of those guys in Miami with Udonis
[27:40] Speaker 7: Hassett creating that culture.
[27:42] Speaker 2: So he's also a culture setter.
[27:44] Speaker 7: So with all that being said, I just think it's
[27:46] Speaker 7: more to him besides just being.
[27:50] Speaker 2: Tyler Burton security. He deserves more than that, you know,
[27:54] Speaker 2: around his name. So, yeah.
[27:55] Speaker 1: So, good. Let's move over to you. How much will
[27:57] Speaker 1: Cade Cunningham and the Pistons miss having beef stew on
[27:59] Speaker 1: that roster? I think you were slated to make $ 15
[28:01] Speaker 1: million this year.
[28:02] Speaker 2: What? They're going to be at the bottom. Last? You
[28:05] Speaker 2: said that before.
[28:05] Speaker 3: I didn't think, I thought it was like, ah, he's bullshitting.
[28:08] Speaker 3: They're going to be good. So from worst to first,
[28:09] Speaker 3: then first back to worst. I don't think they're going
[28:11] Speaker 3: to be last, but they're going to be, I think
[28:14] Speaker 3: they're going to be in the six to eight range.
[28:16] Speaker 6: See, people think, listen, talent, talent gets you.
[28:22] Speaker 2: To certain places. In the door. But if you don't
[28:26] Speaker 2: have someone, someone fears, they're going to bully you. Yeah.
[28:32] Speaker 1: Right?
[28:34] Speaker 2: Curry has who? Day-to-day. I thought you were going to
[28:39] Speaker 2: say pause. You remember all that? When you can't stop Curry,
[28:42] Speaker 2: especially guards, if you've got a good guard, big men
[28:47] Speaker 2: and the defensive players want to bully it. You can't
[28:50] Speaker 2: do that with a Draymond Green on the court. Right.
[28:53] Speaker 2: You couldn't do that with a Beef Stew on the court.
[28:55] Speaker 2: You can't just go out there and hit Cade all
[28:58] Speaker 2: you want. You come in there, clothesline Cade, you got
[29:01] Speaker 2: to see Beef Stew.
[29:02] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[29:03] Speaker 2: Right? You did that shit to Dwayne Way, you buzzed
[29:05] Speaker 2: Dwayne Way lip or something, Haslam is coming for you
[29:09] Speaker 2: for the rest. That's why they stayed together. The one
[29:12] Speaker 2: person you couldn't trade on Miami was Haslam.
[29:16] Speaker 1: Right.
[29:16] Speaker 2: Right? That's how that worked.
[29:19] Speaker 3: Right.
[29:19] Speaker 2: When you talk about Isaiah, the bad boy, Isaiah was
[29:22] Speaker 2: the nice one. He was a nice one. You didn't
[29:25] Speaker 2: have to worry about.
[29:26] Speaker 1: He's with.
[29:27] Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing? How's your family? You hit him.
[29:29] Speaker 2: You got you got three goons back there. Right. People
[29:32] Speaker 2: didn't pay attention to stuff like that. So when you
[29:35] Speaker 2: lose the bulletproof vest for Cade.
[29:38] Speaker 1: Right.
[29:40] Speaker 2: You got the one who is the one that's going
[29:42] Speaker 2: to set it off. He coming off the bench all day,
[29:46] Speaker 2: every time.
[29:47] Speaker 3: Right?
[29:47] Speaker 2: You do one of these, you got to look the
[29:49] Speaker 2: other way.
[29:49] Speaker 1: Where is he at?
[29:50] Speaker 2: That's what you got to do because he's coming. Right? Right. Now,
[29:55] Speaker 2: without that, those guards... that run that offense will be tested. Mm-hmm.
[30:04] Speaker 2: Cade can't fight for himself. He got to stay in
[30:08] Speaker 2: the game. He got to win the game. Right? The
[30:10] Speaker 2: one thing he didn't have to do was check all
[30:12] Speaker 2: the other players. That was Beef Stew. And then that was,
[30:15] Speaker 2: I mean, second was Durin.
[30:17] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[30:18] Speaker 2: So when you don't have those guys on the court
[30:21] Speaker 2: that other teammates or other teams fear, your star player
[30:26] Speaker 2: will be getting picked on. Especially guards. Big men, the
[30:31] Speaker 2: big men going to do their thing. Bigs too, though.
[30:33] Speaker 2: I mean, some bigs, yes. It's bigs too, though. Some
[30:35] Speaker 2: bigs that was soft, they got to.
[30:37] Speaker 7: Not even that they soft. I'm thinking about my position.
[30:42] Speaker 7: I'm the star and the enforcer.
[30:46] Speaker 1: It ain't going.
[30:46] Speaker 2: It's not going to work.
[30:47] Speaker 1: It's not a good formula.
[30:48] Speaker 7: So even with a big, I'm thinking about like the
[30:51] Speaker 7: Blake Griffin situation with the Clippers.
[30:54] Speaker 2: You got K-Mart behind him. You got Reggie Evans behind him.
[30:57] Speaker 7: So he had that line up of guys that if
[30:59] Speaker 7: it gets out of line, we here to put it
[31:01] Speaker 7: back in line.
[31:02] Speaker 2: So even with the.
[31:03] Speaker 7: Bigs, if it's your star player, you have to have
[31:06] Speaker 7: somebody there to have his back.
[31:07] Speaker 2: Because every star player getting tested. Every one of them.
[31:10] Speaker 7: If I can't beat you talent-wise, if I can't beat
[31:13] Speaker 7: you mano-a-mano, I'm going to start fucking with you. I
[31:15] Speaker 7: got to find some type of advantage to stop this
[31:18] Speaker 7: star player. So that's what those security blankets are for,
[31:21] Speaker 7: to prevent that from happening.
[31:23] Speaker 2: So now it's going to be on Asura Thompson. And
[31:26] Speaker 2: Paul Reed. Yeah, they're getting hit too.
[31:28] Speaker 7: They're getting clotheslined too.
[31:30] Speaker 2: Dylann Dern, Paul Reed, like those three guys. Darn Collin.
[31:33] Speaker 1: Dern's certainly huff enough to fill that role. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dern,
[31:38] Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
[31:40] Speaker 2: But he mentally checked out. He's going to be in
[31:43] Speaker 2: this whole other level. Like even when Dern was getting
[31:46] Speaker 2: this shit, who was coming off the bench? Yeah.
[31:50] Speaker 1: Stu.
[31:51] Speaker 2: The pit bull.
[31:53] Speaker 1: I'm coming.
[31:54] Speaker 2: Like he was.
[31:54] Speaker 1: They had a rock wall and a pit bull.
[31:58] Speaker 2: Those little things is what gives a team and player confidence,
[32:02] Speaker 2: and that's what takes it away. I agree. So dead last.
[32:08] Speaker 2: I don't think.
[32:09] Speaker 1: They're going to be.
[32:09] Speaker 2: Not dead last?
[32:10] Speaker 3: But realistic, where do you rank them at right now
[32:14] Speaker 3: after losing those guys?
[32:15] Speaker 2: Playing. Playing? I got them in play-in. I think I
[32:18] Speaker 2: got them at playing. I got them at six. I
[32:19] Speaker 2: think they'll get at six. Wow. That E's different now.
[32:23] Speaker 2: It is. But again. We do this every show. Yeah.
[32:25] Speaker 2: We start going through the list.
[32:26] Speaker 1: It's like, oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. Everybody
[32:28] Speaker 1: can't get their.
[32:29] Speaker 2: Everybody not getting in.
[32:31] Speaker 7: It's going to be some good teams left out this year.
[32:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you remember that Charlotte scuffle? Take Beef Stew
[32:38] Speaker 2: out of it. Charlotte. Bridge is another guy. They running
[32:43] Speaker 2: through them. They running through them.
[32:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:46] Speaker 2: They running through them. They was popping it.
[32:51] Speaker 1: But still got Ron Holland. Who?
[32:54] Speaker 2: Ron Holland bought that, bro. Ron Holland?
[32:56] Speaker 1: Ron Holland, he might have to step up a little bit.
[32:59] Speaker 8: He a big?
[33:00] Speaker 1: Nah, but he... He not with the bullshit, but.
[33:04] Speaker 2: There ain't many wing.
[33:05] Speaker 7: There ain't many wing enforcers.
[33:07] Speaker 2: Thompson, Thompson. Thompson who? Nobody really... Wing enforcers? They not really...
[33:14] Speaker 2: Matt Barnes?
[33:15] Speaker 1: Thank you, Sid.
[33:16] Speaker 2: It's not many, I said.
[33:18] Speaker 1: Ron Artest.
[33:19] Speaker 2: The Thompson twins, they get to it. It's the one
[33:22] Speaker 2: in Houston. But that's why, if you think about Cole,
[33:26] Speaker 2: remember everyone who stood up to him He wanted him
[33:29] Speaker 2: on the team. Oh, absolutely. You got Ron. You brought
[33:31] Speaker 2: Matt Barnes. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Bring that on.
[33:37] Speaker 1: I need you. I need that. So last season, Cade
[33:41] Speaker 1: became Nike's sixth active NBA player with his own signature
[33:45] Speaker 1: shoe line after signing an extension with them. Gil, when
[33:48] Speaker 1: that news broke, you said the folks at the Swoosh
[33:50] Speaker 1: would love to see Cade in a bigger market. Naturally,
[33:53] Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons fans were not happy about that.
[33:55] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[33:56] Speaker 1: J.B. Bickerson wasn't happy about that. They want to smoke
[33:58] Speaker 1: with you. Detroit fans on your back. Detroit, I mean,
[34:01] Speaker 1: amongst other things, Gil's not welcome. Obviously, you know, you
[34:05] Speaker 1: haven't been with us a lot, but he's not welcome
[34:07] Speaker 1: in a bunch of... A lot of households. Not welcome
[34:09] Speaker 1: in Sacramento, Detroit. There's a lot of places we can't
[34:11] Speaker 1: go to.
[34:11] Speaker 2: I ain't been welcome in Detroit in a long time.
[34:14] Speaker 2: It was when they came up with that brown water. Yeah,
[34:18] Speaker 2: I told the ladies, I don't know why you're putting
[34:19] Speaker 2: that in, and now we know what you're bathing with.
[34:23] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[34:25] Speaker 1: P.H.
[34:26] Speaker 2: Off. P.H. off.
[34:26] Speaker 1: Pistons were a top team in the East last season.
[34:29] Speaker 1: Pistons have a solid team this season, right? But several
[34:31] Speaker 1: teams in the East have made huge improvements, while Detroit
[34:34] Speaker 1: hasn't necessarily done that. Replaced Tobias Harris with John Collins,
[34:38] Speaker 1: extended Azar Thompson. But the Dern situation, big issue heading
[34:41] Speaker 1: into the season. K. Jalen Dern has spoken frequently throughout
[34:44] Speaker 1: his contract dispute. with Cade offering his support to Duren,
[34:48] Speaker 1: who he describes as his brother. Pistons president of basketball
[34:51] Speaker 1: operations Trajan Langdon didn't help the situation. He added a
[34:55] Speaker 1: weight clause to Duren's contract, which according to reports today
[34:58] Speaker 1: has since been removed. But when Langdon was asked about
[35:01] Speaker 1: dealing with a disgruntled player like Duren at the Pistons
[35:04] Speaker 1: media day, he offered this response.
[35:06] Speaker 9: It's the first time I've had to handle it here.
[35:09] Speaker 9: I was in New Orleans for five years with a
[35:13] Speaker 9: certain player that wasn't easy to deal with either, so.
[35:16] Speaker 9: I do have experience in that. And so, look, I
[35:20] Speaker 9: think at these times, we can control what we can control,
[35:25] Speaker 9: and that's how we operate. There's certain things that happen around,
[35:29] Speaker 9: not just with this situation, but a lot of different
[35:32] Speaker 9: situations that aren't under our control or under my control.
[35:36] Speaker 9: And so we stick to what we feel is the
[35:38] Speaker 9: things that we can do and the things that we
[35:39] Speaker 9: can do best, and that's just how we operate.
[35:43] Speaker 1: So it's unclear which former Pelicans player Langdon is talking
[35:46] Speaker 1: about with many assuming that it's Zion. They're assuming it's Zion,
[35:49] Speaker 1: which seems odd to me. Was he there during that
[35:51] Speaker 1: Zion year? He was there for Zion. So it seems
[35:54] Speaker 1: odd since they're both members of the Duke Brotherhood. How
[35:56] Speaker 1: many years has he been in Detroit? It's like second
[35:58] Speaker 1: or third season.
[35:58] Speaker 2: Okay.
[35:59] Speaker 3: Not weight clause? I mean, if you're doing weight clause.
[36:03] Speaker 2: When did Trenton get over there?
[36:04] Speaker 1: He's been there for like two years, three years now.
[36:06] Speaker 1: Let me double check with you.
[36:08] Speaker 7: How many great scenes has he put together in his career?
[36:14] Speaker 7: I need to know these things before I respond. That
[36:17] Speaker 7: remains to be seen. You can say at least one.
[36:20] Speaker 1: Good team. Number one team.
[36:21] Speaker 7: I can understand why Jalen Dern feels the way he
[36:24] Speaker 7: feels just from him speaking.
[36:26] Speaker 1: So he was with the Pelicans from 2019 to May 31st, 2024.
[36:31] Speaker 1: Then he joined. That's when he joined the Pistons.
[36:33] Speaker 2: 24, 25, 25, 26.
[36:33] Speaker 1: So he has been a part of that. So he's
[36:34] Speaker 1: got one winning season. Two, I think, when there was
[36:40] Speaker 1: six seed and then 25, and then obviously top seed, 26.
[36:45] Speaker 1: But to my point, many people assumed it was Zion.
[36:47] Speaker 1: Trajan Landon went to Duke, too, so I don't think
[36:48] Speaker 1: he would violate the Duke brotherhood like that, talking about Zion.
[36:50] Speaker 1: Others have suggested it could potentially be Brandon Ingram. Either way,
[36:55] Speaker 1: if I'm Jalen during his reps and I'm seeing him
[36:56] Speaker 1: say that.
[36:57] Speaker 2: He went to Duke, too. Yeah.
[37:00] Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a lot of guys come through
[37:01] Speaker 3: New Orleans, so we don't know who he's referring to.
[37:05] Speaker 1: But that was interesting to me. It was the two
[37:06] Speaker 1: Duke guys.
[37:06] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Which is the lesser evil to do. That ain't
[37:09] Speaker 2: really hard. I mean, you... And sign that contract, even
[37:13] Speaker 2: though it had the weight clause on it. You know what?
[37:17] Speaker 2: Since I've been in the war room during, you know, contracts,
[37:22] Speaker 2: I've read through a lot of players' contracts when I
[37:25] Speaker 2: was negotiating. One thing that sometimes we don't understand is
[37:34] Speaker 2: every pocket is not the same.
[37:36] Speaker 1: Right?
[37:37] Speaker 2: So it would have been easier if he would have
[37:43] Speaker 2: signed before Asar.
[37:47] Speaker 1: Right?
[37:49] Speaker 2: The fact that Asar signed, that money's capped. You can't
[37:53] Speaker 2: move it no more. Right? So now you're at a fix.
[37:57] Speaker 2: They can't go nowhere. Right? If you would have signed
[38:00] Speaker 2: first and figured that out, then they can negotiate and
[38:03] Speaker 2: try to figure out how they're going to move money
[38:05] Speaker 2: for him. If they're going to sign him this year
[38:07] Speaker 2: or sign him next year, that's their problem. But now
[38:11] Speaker 2: he signed before you, and now it's fixed. There's no
[38:16] Speaker 2: movement on a contract. You're not in a city that
[38:20] Speaker 2: has that much flexibility. So he has numbers he can
[38:28] Speaker 2: play with while trying to put a team together.
[38:30] Speaker 1: Right?
[38:31] Speaker 2: So if you're not very creative as a negotiator, you're
[38:36] Speaker 2: going to be handicapped to the rules. Now, this is
[38:40] Speaker 2: why I say if you're a star player, please, please
[38:44] Speaker 2: invest your brand into the owner brand. Get to know
[38:50] Speaker 2: the guy himself. The billionaire nobody knows, that's your conversation. Like,
[38:56] Speaker 2: we all want to be in rooms with Jay-Z and
[38:59] Speaker 2: all that. Mm-hmm.
[39:00] Speaker 6: Your owner's that.
[39:03] Speaker 2: You're the face of his brand. If you guys can
[39:07] Speaker 2: get aligned, then when it comes to negotiation, he's friendlier.
[39:13] Speaker 2: It's not all about numbers. It's about the guy, the family.
[39:15] Speaker 2: I'm at the family. I'm at the kids. I like
[39:18] Speaker 2: the kids. You want that on your side. You don't
[39:21] Speaker 2: want just numbers on a piece of paper. I was
[39:24] Speaker 2: so in tune and friends with A. Poland that I didn't...
[39:30] Speaker 2: I did charity work. He teamed with me. He's probably
[39:35] Speaker 2: the only, we were probably the only player owner that
[39:39] Speaker 2: ever teamed up. Like I did every point I made,
[39:42] Speaker 2: I gave out $ 100 for whatever school. I did.
[39:49] Speaker 6: Away games, he did. I did home games, he did
[39:51] Speaker 6: away games.
[39:53] Speaker 2: So we both threw out about an extra $ 250, 000 to schools.
[39:58] Speaker 2: But he asked me, hey, what do you like to do?
[40:02] Speaker 2: I like to do this. What do you like to do?
[40:03] Speaker 2: So we were trying to figure out. Have a conversation
[40:05] Speaker 2: in alignment with. And that's what we're doing. You shouldn't
[40:08] Speaker 2: be talking to, no offense, Trajan at this point. Right.
[40:12] Speaker 1: Talk to the owner. Yeah, but they said they haven't communicated.
[40:15] Speaker 2: Talk to the owner. So they haven't communicated. Who?
[40:17] Speaker 1: I mean, he's communicating with Durant's reps.
[40:19] Speaker 2: I don't think Dave actually spoke to him. Yeah, man, man,
[40:21] Speaker 2: fuck them reps. Yeah. Like, dog, fuck them reps. And
[40:24] Speaker 2: why I say this is you don't know, like, you
[40:27] Speaker 2: don't know.
[40:28] Speaker 6: The tone that they're talking in.
[40:32] Speaker 1: Right.
[40:32] Speaker 2: You don't know that they're speaking on your behalf. They're
[40:35] Speaker 2: not speaking as you. So, you know, you're just getting back.
[40:39] Speaker 2: Your rep could have said, man, fuck you. We're not
[40:40] Speaker 2: taking this. Right. And then he come to you and say, hey, man,
[40:42] Speaker 2: they're not coming up with an agreement. Right. You don't
[40:44] Speaker 2: know what they're saying. Right. So go and talk for
[40:48] Speaker 2: yourself sometimes. And sometimes just just little word play, you'll
[40:54] Speaker 2: figure out that maybe the middleman is the reason that
[40:57] Speaker 2: some of these these these deals ain't getting done, you know.
[41:01] Speaker 1: But, I mean, it started in the postseason, didn't have
[41:03] Speaker 1: a great playoffs, but the comments leading into the offseason, yeah,
[41:07] Speaker 1: the playoffs are going to impact that with the bread.
[41:08] Speaker 1: I mean, from the very start, they made it clear
[41:10] Speaker 1: that they're going to try to short them on some bread.
[41:13] Speaker 1: For sure.
[41:13] Speaker 3: I mean, that's just given, right, given what everybody's seen.
[41:17] Speaker 3: Is there a question about Trajan we weren't supposed to
[41:20] Speaker 3: answer or just overreacting to what he said?
[41:22] Speaker 1: I think we're shifting towards it. You got Kay Cunningham,
[41:25] Speaker 1: your franchise player, who's been on the ascension, right? dealt
[41:28] Speaker 1: with terrible years in Detroit, was number one seed last year.
[41:32] Speaker 1: But what is this team actually doing now to retain
[41:34] Speaker 1: that top spot? Because you got knocked out in the
[41:36] Speaker 1: second round.
[41:37] Speaker 3: Well, if I'm Cade and he's seeing how things are going,
[41:40] Speaker 3: you lose Tobias, you lose Beef Stew, you can't lose
[41:44] Speaker 3: Dern either. So you got to find a way not
[41:47] Speaker 3: only to talk to him, but talk to ownership and
[41:49] Speaker 3: trade and be like, look, man, pay the fucking guy, please. Like,
[41:53] Speaker 3: I've seen things happen before in history where it Other
[41:57] Speaker 3: guys have spoken up for other guys and said, look,
[42:00] Speaker 3: if your difference is $ 5 million, find a way to
[42:02] Speaker 3: get him the money or take out these BS clauses
[42:05] Speaker 3: in his contract so we can get this done and
[42:07] Speaker 3: have this move forward. I know he's doing it publicly,
[42:10] Speaker 3: but he's talked privately to the owners or.
[42:13] Speaker 2: The front office.
[42:14] Speaker 3: He said, let's handle this. Let's get it done. But
[42:17] Speaker 3: Trajan's seen quite a bit. I mean, he said he's
[42:20] Speaker 3: dealt with some things in New Orleans. He's dealt with
[42:21] Speaker 3: some things in Detroit. Again, I don't know what the
[42:25] Speaker 3: talks are. I'm sure I saw all the parts of
[42:28] Speaker 3: the interview that said he'd be happy if he was there.
[42:31] Speaker 1: But just tonally, I was looking right now, you got
[42:34] Speaker 1: the weight clauses that were in there. Apparently they took
[42:36] Speaker 1: them out today. That's the latest report. But even the
[42:38] Speaker 1: fact that you're putting those things in there right away. And, yo,
[42:41] Speaker 1: I know you said, Dern, take the bag. But at
[42:43] Speaker 1: this point, it's the principalities. I think that's what him
[42:45] Speaker 1: and his team have been saying. You ain't just going
[42:47] Speaker 1: to disrespect me. I'm 22 years old. I had a
[42:49] Speaker 1: rough playoff, but I'm 22.
[42:51] Speaker 3: I think he hasn't there because he's dealt with players
[42:53] Speaker 3: where it's like once they got the bag, they just
[42:55] Speaker 3: kind of.
[42:55] Speaker 7: This is one of the problems I have with front offices, too.
[42:57] Speaker 7: It's like, you know, you go out on a limb
[43:00] Speaker 7: and you say, this is my franchise guy. We're building
[43:03] Speaker 7: around this guy, right? And your franchise guy can say,
[43:07] Speaker 7: I want to play with this person, this person, and
[43:09] Speaker 7: this person. These are the guys that I feel like
[43:12] Speaker 7: will help me be better on the floor, bring out
[43:14] Speaker 7: the best in my game, and I think we'll win
[43:16] Speaker 7: games at the same time. Then your GM will come
[43:20] Speaker 7: back and say, no, I think I know better. I
[43:22] Speaker 7: think I know what fits you better. That's the part
[43:26] Speaker 7: that's just mind blowing to me. These guys don't play
[43:29] Speaker 7: one minute. They don't break a sweat. They don't go
[43:32] Speaker 7: through an injury. They don't do any of the things
[43:36] Speaker 7: on the floor required to win, but they think they
[43:38] Speaker 7: know more than the franchise guy about who he's comfortable
[43:42] Speaker 7: playing beside. And that part right there, it literally, I
[43:48] Speaker 7: try to be logical with a lot of things. That's just,
[43:51] Speaker 7: it doesn't make sense. being in K's situation, I mean,
[43:57] Speaker 7: I dealt with that in my own personal situation. So
[44:00] Speaker 7: I'm looking at the front office funny. Then it's like, well,
[44:03] Speaker 7: do you really even have my best interest, you know.
[44:06] Speaker 1: At heart?
[44:06] Speaker 2: Do you even care about my opinion?
[44:07] Speaker 7: Do you care about my opinion? Do you care about
[44:09] Speaker 7: what makes me comfortable here besides, you know, the money?
[44:13] Speaker 2: What's giving you dollars?
[44:15] Speaker 7: If we want to make this investment work and we
[44:16] Speaker 7: want to get the best out of it, if you
[44:19] Speaker 7: believe in me like you say you do or you
[44:20] Speaker 7: publicly say about me, why wouldn't you trust what I
[44:24] Speaker 7: say as far as what makes me comfortable on the floor.
[44:27] Speaker 2: So, I don't know, that never made sense to me.
[44:30] Speaker 2: I have a question. And this might be, forget, I
[44:37] Speaker 2: think the playoff, the playoff seems more of an excuse, right?
[44:45] Speaker 1: Way to devalue them.
[44:46] Speaker 2: They're always looking for excuses.
[44:47] Speaker 1: They always looking for that, yeah. How can we get
[44:50] Speaker 1: a discount?
[44:53] Speaker 2: Is he an actual number two option on a team
[44:58] Speaker 2: that's going to the championship? Offensively, no.
[45:02] Speaker 6: And not for a team that need offense.
[45:05] Speaker 2: Can he grow into that? Can he grow into that?
[45:07] Speaker 3: He's shown phases, I thought, during regular season last year
[45:10] Speaker 3: that he could be that guy. But in the playoffs, again,
[45:14] Speaker 3: more of a mental thing than it is physical for him.
[45:17] Speaker 3: But I think he could grow into that.
[45:20] Speaker 7: I just don't think that's a proper excuse for it.
[45:22] Speaker 7: What is he, 22? I don't think that's a proper
[45:27] Speaker 7: excuse for a 22-year-old in his first playoff experience.
[45:30] Speaker 1: It was second postseason, but I'm saying he's still too young.
[45:33] Speaker 1: He's a kid.
[45:34] Speaker 7: He's still learning. So to hold that, it doesn't really matter.
[45:41] Speaker 7: They gave Zion, he said he was in New Orleans, right?
[45:43] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[45:44] Speaker 2: So he watched them sign Zion for less productivity, basically.
[45:49] Speaker 2: And then you.
[45:50] Speaker 7: You move into this situation, you're one in the East,
[45:53] Speaker 7: you had a second round exit, and you say, nah,
[45:55] Speaker 7: he's not good enough. But you sit here and you
[45:58] Speaker 7: talk about your past experience or whatever. Should you watch
[46:01] Speaker 7: him sign Zion? Why not go with Bigfella? At least
[46:04] Speaker 7: he's producing winning.
[46:05] Speaker 1: 285, man. I'm not even saying the 287, but if
[46:10] Speaker 1: you're in Jalen Duren's position, I made All-NBA, I'm an All-Star.
[46:15] Speaker 1: We're the number one team in the East.
[46:16] Speaker 2: Oh, you're making All-Star because of your production or you're
[46:18] Speaker 2: making All-Star because your team is number one?
[46:20] Speaker 1: Both. Whatever the situation is, I'm All-NBA and I'm All-Star. There's...
[46:27] Speaker 1: Not to compare, but I just saw Chet Homer get
[46:29] Speaker 1: that back.
[46:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[46:31] Speaker 1: He had a bad play all night. What is.
[46:34] Speaker 2: What was his pay? Huh? What was his pay? Chet's extension.
[46:37] Speaker 1: Hold on, let me see.
[46:38] Speaker 3: Chet's was the max you could.
[46:40] Speaker 2: The max you can get? Yeah, for his years, I think.
[46:44] Speaker 2: It was.
[46:45] Speaker 1: The 5 for 239 that could escalate up to 250.
[46:48] Speaker 2: 5 for 239? Yeah, that could go all the way
[46:49] Speaker 2: up to 250, I think.
[46:50] Speaker 1: So I go from 9 to 14 to 12 to
[46:50] Speaker 1: almost 20 last year. Because they didn't.
[46:54] Speaker 2: Sign him to an extension on 24-25.
[46:55] Speaker 1: So they didn't have no plans, really, of.
[47:14] Speaker 2: The future after his third year, so they signed him
[47:16] Speaker 2: to a rookie extension. Wait, how the fuck? Wait, wait.
[47:24] Speaker 6: How is this going on his fifth year? What deal
[47:26] Speaker 6: is this?
[47:28] Speaker 3: Hmm?
[47:29] Speaker 1: Who's going to be at the end of his rookie time?
[47:30] Speaker 1: This will be his rookie extension.
[47:32] Speaker 2: Yeah. So he just finished his fourth year. Oh, so
[47:34] Speaker 2: he finished all of his shit. Yeah, all four.
[47:37] Speaker 1: So he's not currently on the Pistons roster right now.
[47:39] Speaker 2: So he didn't sign there yet.
[47:41] Speaker 1: My son that qualifies.
[47:44] Speaker 2: See, they're looking. See, I don't think they, I think
[47:47] Speaker 2: his value jumped so high that they're sitting here like,
[47:51] Speaker 2: we haven't had three years of this type of play.
[47:56] Speaker 2: And then contract year, he shoots up. What are we
[47:59] Speaker 2: going to get later? So, yeah. So later is so far.
[48:03] Speaker 2: He's a 22 year old. You know, you're watching somebody
[48:06] Speaker 2: in house and they, they, they, you know, they doing this,
[48:09] Speaker 2: you know, uh, 11 and 10, 11 and 10. You're like, okay,
[48:13] Speaker 2: for five years, one, one 35, one 40, we good.
[48:16] Speaker 2: And then he jumped up another a hundred, a hundred million.
[48:20] Speaker 2: That's not in our plans. And we already spent that
[48:22] Speaker 2: money on something else. So the fact that he's tapping
[48:26] Speaker 2: in and two 85, uh, But 285 wasn't in his
[48:30] Speaker 2: play these first three years. They're trying to figure out
[48:33] Speaker 2: how to negotiate him. So the fact that they got
[48:35] Speaker 2: him at 200, they probably went up 70 million from
[48:38] Speaker 2: where they thought they were going to get him. Right.
[48:40] Speaker 2: You know, if you're him, like, I want to know
[48:46] Speaker 2: what his real number is. Because if you're sitting this
[48:49] Speaker 2: strong and you're saying, fuck a 200 million, you can't
[48:54] Speaker 2: be under 225. You got to be 250. I'm thinking 240.
[49:00] Speaker 2: You got to be sitting here like, because this is,
[49:03] Speaker 2: because the max is what, 280? 287.
[49:04] Speaker 1: I don't think he's under 240.
[49:07] Speaker 2: But I think he's probably like 230. Not even close.
[49:09] Speaker 2: He's got at least 230, right? That's 230. We're sitting
[49:13] Speaker 2: here like, you know what?
[49:15] Speaker 1: But that's my point, Gil. I think you guys have
[49:16] Speaker 1: been more hey, Dern, take the bag, take the bag.
[49:19] Speaker 1: If I'm already giving up 50 mil from what I
[49:21] Speaker 1: should be getting as a third-team All-NBA selection and an all-star,
[49:23] Speaker 1: the number one team in the East, yeah, I had
[49:25] Speaker 1: a bad playoff, so I'm going to.
[49:27] Speaker 6: Give up this 50. And a decent three years.
[49:30] Speaker 2: Well, yeah. He's giving up 80, really, 87.
[49:32] Speaker 1: But now you're saying give up 87.
[49:34] Speaker 2: But now he's giving up.
[49:35] Speaker 3: If he's actually saying my number is, I'm going for
[49:37] Speaker 3: sure 250, then.
[49:39] Speaker 2: I'm still giving them close to 40. I'm giving y'all
[49:41] Speaker 2: back 40. Okay, because I'm trying to figure out. 80
[49:45] Speaker 2: is crazy. I'm trying to figure out if I'm. 87?
[49:48] Speaker 1: 80 is crazy.
[49:49] Speaker 2: If I'm 19, if I'm 19, I mean, if I'm
[49:52] Speaker 2: 19 and 10, 19 and 11, 12, 19 and 10.
[49:54] Speaker 2: 20 and 11, basically. Who's in this?
[49:59] Speaker 6: Who's in this category as a second option?
[50:02] Speaker 2: Like Cat.
[50:06] Speaker 1: Let me see.
[50:07] Speaker 2: That's still a number one option. Ooh, Cat. He was
[50:10] Speaker 2: number one option when he got that. You know what
[50:12] Speaker 2: I'm saying?
[50:13] Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
[50:14] Speaker 2: I mean, if you're looking at, like, bigs, it's not.
[50:17] Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, you know, because that's how we got
[50:19] Speaker 2: to look at it because that's how they're looking at it.
[50:21] Speaker 2: They're looking at, like, if Cade goes down, is he
[50:25] Speaker 2: holding his shit together?
[50:26] Speaker 3: Evan Mobley, what is Evan Mobley like? That's a comparison, right?
[50:29] Speaker 3: I'm not saying a comparison of play.
[50:31] Speaker 1: No, right, right, right.
[50:32] Speaker 2: You got the max rookie extension.
[50:34] Speaker 3: He's still in that similar role as a Big, secondary,
[50:39] Speaker 3: like he's behind Donovan Mitchell.
[50:40] Speaker 2: What's Jared Allen getting?
[50:42] Speaker 3: He's still, like, extension's like 30, 40, like, you know.
[50:46] Speaker 2: That's, okay, now that's right around. Yeah. That's right around,
[50:50] Speaker 2: but just a little bit younger. He's a lot younger
[50:54] Speaker 2: than Jared. No, I think he's way younger. Jared Allen's
[50:56] Speaker 2: about 30, 30-something.
[50:56] Speaker 1: The most recent one's three for 90, but let me see.
[51:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, his extension's usually for 30 per year. That's 6'1, 80? Yeah. So, yeah,
[51:05] Speaker 2: he was like.
[51:06] Speaker 1: What's Singoon make him? He did like a weird... It
[51:10] Speaker 1: was less years from number six. Him and Jalen Green
[51:14] Speaker 1: both did weird contracts.
[51:16] Speaker 3: Jalen Green had a short one. I think Sangoon locked
[51:19] Speaker 3: him in.
[51:19] Speaker 1: Five-year, 185. But he signed that in 2024.
[51:23] Speaker 2: So two years ago. 185. I mean, look, man. That's
[51:28] Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Sangoon, 185. He's the second option.
[51:31] Speaker 1: But not all NBA.
[51:32] Speaker 2: True.
[51:38] Speaker 1: Not all NBA, though.
[51:39] Speaker 2: But Sango has an arsenal.
[51:41] Speaker 6: He's the second option to KD.
[51:44] Speaker 2: But if I'm Dern, I'm one of the 15 best
[51:46] Speaker 2: players in the league. For that year. For that year.
[51:50] Speaker 1: Whether I'm 1 or 15.
[51:51] Speaker 2: But this is the year where I'm trying to get
[51:53] Speaker 2: my bread. The NBA got injured.
[51:56] Speaker 7: I think we're too focused on looking at him as
[51:59] Speaker 7: an offensive guy. What is he considered as far as
[52:02] Speaker 7: a defensive big?
[52:03] Speaker 3: A really good screener, roller, rebounder.
[52:08] Speaker 2: And that's my big thing. You know who you are.
[52:14] Speaker 2: You know if you're worth 200 or 285. So you
[52:20] Speaker 2: know if this is a one-off year. If you think
[52:24] Speaker 2: you're going to be an All-NBA player next year, an
[52:28] Speaker 2: All-Star player, an All-Star and an All-NBA this season, then
[52:33] Speaker 2: hold the fuck out.
[52:35] Speaker 6: If you think that you made it because a lot
[52:37] Speaker 6: of people, you know.
[52:40] Speaker 3: Out there, teams weren't good, Indiana wasn't good.
[52:43] Speaker 2: The number one team usually gets two people, no matter
[52:45] Speaker 2: who it is. If you know that's how you made it,
[52:49] Speaker 2: please look in the mirror and say, I'm going to
[52:51] Speaker 2: take this 200 guaranteed. Because I can tell you this.
[52:58] Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck what Sacramento's telling you. Okay?
[53:02] Speaker 2: If you're not an All-Star or All-NBA player, and you have,
[53:08] Speaker 2: like you had the first three years, and it's decent,
[53:12] Speaker 2: it's a nice little double-double, 16 and 10, 16 and 12,
[53:15] Speaker 2: the person who's talking to you, he has a boss.
[53:20] Speaker 2: That boss is the owner. The owner has someone who
[53:23] Speaker 2: works for him that looks at numbers. And when he say, yeah,
[53:26] Speaker 2: we want to give during this 60 or 70 million
[53:29] Speaker 2: a year, he's going to look that man dead in
[53:31] Speaker 2: the eye and say, man, fuck you. Who the fuck
[53:34] Speaker 2: do you think we are? Unless you're talking to the
[53:37] Speaker 2: owner himself. That guy who's talking to your agent got
[53:43] Speaker 2: to convince the guy to write that check is all
[53:46] Speaker 2: I'm saying. Right? So you got to sit there and
[53:50] Speaker 2: go in a free agent. I always tell people, go
[53:52] Speaker 2: in there and tell yourself, what is the bottom line
[53:58] Speaker 2: that you will take and what's the max? If you
[54:01] Speaker 2: went in there, like I came out, I said, I'm
[54:03] Speaker 2: taking the max. I want the max. This was after
[54:07] Speaker 2: my rookie season, my rookie contract. And the agent said,
[54:11] Speaker 2: so what you really want? I said, nigga, I was
[54:12] Speaker 2: making $ 200, 000. I was making $ 200, 000 a year. Shit, I
[54:17] Speaker 2: ate $ 2 million a year. I'm good with it. He said,
[54:20] Speaker 2: you're going to get more than that. And I was like,
[54:22] Speaker 2: 55 million? He said, oh, yeah, yeah, 55 million? Indy
[54:27] Speaker 2: didn't go over 55 million. I said, Indy didn't go
[54:28] Speaker 2: over 55 million. I'm running at it. Washington said, listen,
[54:31] Speaker 2: we got 55 million. If we get any extra, it's yours.
[54:38] Speaker 2: They ended up getting 64. I was like, hey, I'm sure. Yeah.
[54:44] Speaker 2: I didn't go back to ask other teams. I didn't
[54:46] Speaker 2: even play no games with them. But you have to
[54:49] Speaker 2: go in there with your own number because obviously your
[54:51] Speaker 2: agent is going off of Like, numbers around the league,
[54:56] Speaker 2: you're better than this player, right? They're doing their, they're
[54:59] Speaker 2: not really reading the room as much as possible. Do
[55:01] Speaker 2: you feel like, do you feel like.
[55:05] Speaker 7: Detroit is basically saying something without saying it as far
[55:09] Speaker 7: as the moves they've made? They got rid of Stewie.
[55:12] Speaker 7: They got, they're on the fence with Durham. Are we
[55:15] Speaker 7: not kind of reading between the lines and them, as
[55:18] Speaker 7: them basically saying, We might want to change the culture.
[55:22] Speaker 7: We might want a new identity of a team. We
[55:24] Speaker 7: want to surround him with a better cast.
[55:27] Speaker 2: Is that something? Do we feel like we're ignoring that? But, yes,
[55:31] Speaker 2: I can see it. But $ 200 million? $ 200 million, and
[55:35] Speaker 2: then we got Asar at $ 155 million, and then Cade
[55:37] Speaker 2: is our max player. So these are our three people
[55:40] Speaker 2: that we're going to build around.
[55:41] Speaker 7: I think they're saying Asar is our second foundational piece.
[55:45] Speaker 6: That's $ 155 million.
[55:46] Speaker 2: That's our wing.
[55:47] Speaker 1: But that we can get him at 155. And to
[55:50] Speaker 1: your point, he's going to be happy to get that 155.
[55:52] Speaker 2: But I got 155. This is all around the same age.
[55:57] Speaker 2: You're under 25. Right? So my second option as of
[56:00] Speaker 2: now is 200. If I can get him for five
[56:03] Speaker 2: years at 200, we can still build the team around
[56:05] Speaker 2: these three. You get him for 285, and that's your
[56:09] Speaker 2: second best player going against this league? You're going against Bam,
[56:14] Speaker 2: like Bam and Giannis.
[56:17] Speaker 1: But there's been no 285 top. That's what he's been
[56:20] Speaker 1: eligible for?
[56:21] Speaker 2: That's what he wants. That's what he wants.
[56:24] Speaker 1: What you want and what you're going to take are
[56:25] Speaker 1: two different things. So if you're looking at the 200,
[56:28] Speaker 1: from 190 to 200, to me, I'm a broke boy,
[56:31] Speaker 1: but that ain't shit. The 190 is just the same
[56:33] Speaker 1: as the 200.
[56:34] Speaker 2: Only a max player is turning down. That. A high-level
[56:40] Speaker 2: second option, very high-level second option, meaning if the max
[56:43] Speaker 2: player is going, it's me. I'm doing the same thing. Yeah. Right? Yes. Questionable.
[56:51] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[56:52] Speaker 2: 200, man. I don't know. I can't. That's a hard number.
[56:57] Speaker 1: I think they're looking into signing trades at this point.
[56:59] Speaker 1: And that's what the latest reports have been. I saw
[57:01] Speaker 1: about Washington and potentially AD. That makes sense.
[57:04] Speaker 2: Yeah. Now that makes sense. I don't want to say it.
[57:10] Speaker 1: But it feels like a leverage play on both sides.
[57:12] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[57:13] Speaker 1: Exactly. It's a game of chicken, but both sides.
[57:16] Speaker 2: If I'm, if, if, if.
[57:18] Speaker 3: So what, they're going to sign a trade? Sabonis type shit?
[57:21] Speaker 1: So Sabonis, the Kingsmen mentioned as an option, the Wizards
[57:24] Speaker 1: have been, this is kind.
[57:25] Speaker 2: Of a new thing. AD won his extension.
[57:27] Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure Detroit is more comfortable giving AD an extension.
[57:31] Speaker 7: As far as his production, what he's done throughout his career,
[57:35] Speaker 7: obviously injuries are always going to be a concern.
[57:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[57:38] Speaker 7: But I still feel it's a more comfortable situation. And
[57:41] Speaker 7: then you think about an AD next to a K.
[57:43] Speaker 7: That's a real second option. AD eligible four-year, 275.
[57:47] Speaker 2: 275.
[57:47] Speaker 1: How old is he?
[57:48] Speaker 2: AD is, I think, 31, 32. Yeah. Four-year, you said?
[57:52] Speaker 1: 33 years old. He turned 34 in March.
[57:54] Speaker 2: Four-year, I think, 275. Yeah.
[58:04] Speaker 3: So you're going to pay 80% and you won't give
[58:07] Speaker 3: him 200 for five years.
[58:08] Speaker 2: No, they're giving him 200. He's saying, no, I don't
[58:10] Speaker 2: want 200.
[58:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:12] Speaker 2: That's why I said he has to be able to
[58:13] Speaker 2: afford it. Again, so it says Sacramento really want him.
[58:15] Speaker 1: But would you give him 270 for five or AD
[58:18] Speaker 1: 270 for four?
[58:19] Speaker 2: I'm giving AD to 200. It don't make sense.
[58:22] Speaker 7: He's a big that needs the ball or he's not
[58:24] Speaker 7: great defensively and he can't shoot the ball.
[58:27] Speaker 2: Who? It's a bonus.
[58:28] Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense for him in.
[58:29] Speaker 7: Detroit next to Cade.
[58:33] Speaker 2: And he's not alive for it.
[58:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:34] Speaker 2: With Cade, you need someone who's a dual threat like
[58:39] Speaker 2: him because I'm pretty sure he went into the offseason. Hey,
[58:45] Speaker 2: can you bring in just a little offense to help
[58:47] Speaker 2: me out? Somebody else who can move a little. And
[58:52] Speaker 2: it seems like that's this play. 200, 210, 220. 220,
[58:59] Speaker 2: I give it to them for 220. They need lob threats,
[59:00] Speaker 2: like you said. Like, depending on what my bank account
[59:02] Speaker 2: looks like, 220, I can, at 22 years old, fit.
[59:07] Speaker 2: I know I'm going to get a double-double from them.
[59:08] Speaker 1: 220. is good.
[59:11] Speaker 2: And I got the young one that if he kicking
[59:14] Speaker 2: any offense, any offense, like if a Sar, if a
[59:17] Speaker 2: Sar goes next year and average 16 to 18, he's
[59:22] Speaker 2: trying to max too. Right. Right? Because the potential is
[59:25] Speaker 2: so high, he's going to be screaming max and you're
[59:27] Speaker 2: going to have to pay. So... They saved money there.
[59:31] Speaker 3: If I'm Detroit, if you're going to sign a trade,
[59:34] Speaker 3: I'm looking at Dallas. Like, I'm trying to get those bigs.
[59:36] Speaker 3: And I'm sure he'll align better with Cooper Flagg's timeline
[59:40] Speaker 3: than Gafford, Washington, Lively. Like, get two of those three
[59:46] Speaker 3: from Dallas.
[59:47] Speaker 1: But is Dallas willing to spend that money?
[59:50] Speaker 2: 285.
[59:50] Speaker 3: Trade him for.
[59:53] Speaker 2: Washington and Gafford?
[59:54] Speaker 1: 285.
[59:55] Speaker 6: If you're Dallas, you're taking that contract for 285.
[59:58] Speaker 2: Ooh.
[59:59] Speaker 1: To turn around?
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: I don't know about that, too.
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: To go next to Cooper Flagg?
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: Kai, I mean, you need a strong friend. I don't
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: think Kai's going to lose. I mean, Kai can't be
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: in a long-term plan.
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: No, but for the next Cooper Flagg, you need a
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: solid big.
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: He's 22.
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: They're in the same, you know what I'm saying?
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: They're close.
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: Cooper's 18, 19, so they're younger. With him, and maybe
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: you keep Lively, get rid of Washington and Gafford, let them.
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: Go to Detroit. How can he get his 285? Like,
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: But I don't.
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: Even– obviously, you might want that, but let's say if
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: they came 2240.
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: Might get a discount in Texas. You know what I'm saying?
[1:00:31] Speaker 7: I think Milwaukee makes sense, too. You can go get
[1:00:34] Speaker 7: a Miles Turner, a Kuzma maybe, add some depth. He's
[1:00:41] Speaker 7: from Detroit.
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Michigan, he's from Florida.
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: You can probably get a discount in Texas, right? Get
[1:00:46] Speaker 3: him less than 285. You might sign that 200 in Texas.
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: Clippers? Clippers?
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: You need somebody who just don't care about money. Clippers,
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: New York. New York not going to do that.
[1:00:58] Speaker 7: They don't want to pay Cat. They definitely ain't paying Dirk.
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: I mean, the age can make up for itself, but
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: the age is the only thing. Because he's 22, it's like, eh.
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: But if you're other teams in the league, this is
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: not to knock Dern, and you see what he did
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: in the postseason.
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: I don't get it.
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: But if you're the Kings, you probably don't care, because shit,
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: we ain't going to the playoffs anyway.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: Personally, I don't care about his playoff performance, because the
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: star player had a phenomenal performance. Like, our star studded. Right.
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: So my number two option dip. OK, the star player
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: picked up the production. Right. He played out of this world. So, yeah,
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: you didn't you didn't, you know, give us your regular season.
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: But Cade went crazy. So I can accept it. And
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: you're number two. Usually number two step up because number
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: one is getting boggled down a little bit and my
[1:01:52] Speaker 2: number two got to kick in. And you're not a
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: one-on-one player. And how you play, I expect. You're not
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: a post-up player. You need the ball from Cade. He
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: has to create the offense for you. It can happen.
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: I need another score. I need another score. And it's
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: sad that You have Cam Whitmore and Cam Thomas that
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: you can get penny on the dollars. One average 24, right?
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: 24 game, meaning he is a pure bucket getter, pure shooter,
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: don't have no conscience, right? Kate is your number one option,
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: and then you have a dude that can just flat
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: out just score when shit gets tight. He can relieve that.
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: and I don't have to pay him nothing. And then
[1:02:49] Speaker 2: I have Cam Whitmore, who's the same thing. Those are
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: pennies on a dollar you can bring onto your team.
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: That upside is so crazy. So, Whitmore with the Nuggets
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: right now. So, they've already... Oh, they picked them up? Yeah,
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: I think with training camp situation, two-way deal.
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: Whitmore?
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, two-way situation over there. That's a good pickup, man.
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: There's certain personalities. For $ 3 million, I'm good.
[1:03:12] Speaker 6: Bring your ass over here for $ 300.
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: You don't need to talk to none of these niggas.
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: For $ 3 million, you don't need to talk to nobody.
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: There's only two for them.
[1:03:21] Speaker 1: Maybe see what'll happen in that Dern situation, but another
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: thing to monitor is Cade Cunningham, because now if I've
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: gotten close to that mountaintop, and I want to keep
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: going this way, and we're going.
[1:03:30] Speaker 6: All that Cade and Detroit shit, cut that out.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: See, but that's what.
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: I'm not even trying to hear that shit, man. Listen, listen, listen, listen.
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: But that's what the Pistons need to be thinking. It's
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: not about Jalen Dern.
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: It ain't nothing you can do, Pistons. I said it
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: last year when he got that stamp. Boom! You should've said, aw, man.
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: Because I know.
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: LeBron was Nike, right?
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: He was a member of the still member of the
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: Nike family.
[1:03:55] Speaker 2: All right. Paul George's. He left, went to a big market. Giannis,
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: he's gone, went to a big market. Who else? Who
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: else out there? Ja. Ja. He went to the only one.
[1:04:07] Speaker 2: He went to the motherland.
[1:04:09] Speaker 10: He went to the headquarters. He went to the motherland.
[1:04:13] Speaker 10: We got to keep him close. Booker's in his second tier. KD,
[1:04:18] Speaker 10: OKC went to Golden State, Cali. then went to New York,
[1:04:22] Speaker 10: and then second tier.
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: Okay, now he's in the second tier, so he ain't
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: went to a small market when it comes to shoes since.
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: Who else? Who the fuck else? Are we just talking
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: Nike guys? The Nike, the star head, the Nike.
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: Nike's not a signature guy.
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: No, he's not a signature guy. When they put a
[1:04:45] Speaker 2: sign on it, they haven't sat there for their whole career.
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: We got Shea. He's Hey, 2B Determinant. They just gave
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: him that last year.
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: Stamp, stamp, stamp, stamp. Shift him over. They put him
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: on Nike. That second MVP, they was like, uh. We'll
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: just take you over, but let's keep things moving. Let's
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: head over to the Western Conference with a team that
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: is in the West for now, but may not be
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: for much longer. Wolves opened training camp this week, and
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: we got our first look at their revamped roster featuring
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball and Jonathan Kaminga. Let's take a look at
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: their Starting five right now.
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: That's my squad right here.
[1:05:21] Speaker 1: A very intriguing, I love the throwback Wolves jerseys as well.
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: So Wolves now roll out a projected starting lineup featuring LaMelo, Ant-Man, Kaminga,
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: Jaden McDaniels, and Rudy Gobert. LaMelo, biggest addition to the
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: squad with the Wolves giving up Nas Reed, a 20-33
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: unprotected first, three first-round swaps, and three second-round picks to
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: get the former All-Star and Rookie of the Year. So
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: during Media Day Monday, Wolves head coach Chris Finch and
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: Ant-Man had high praise for LaMelo.
[1:05:49] Speaker 11: He's a pass-first guard that can score it. He plays
[1:05:55] Speaker 11: with good tempo. He's an elite talent. He's coming off
[1:06:00] Speaker 11: arguably the most impactful season that he's had in terms
[1:06:03] Speaker 11: of team performance. And it's exactly the type of player
[1:06:08] Speaker 11: and person that we needed.
[1:06:11] Speaker 2: He brings a joy to the game.
[1:06:12] Speaker 11: I think that's always fun to be around.
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: And.
[1:06:17] Speaker 11: He's got, again, a fast chemistry with Anthony, which is important,
[1:06:20] Speaker 11: but also a fast chemistry with everybody. And, you know, again,
[1:06:25] Speaker 11: we're getting him, I think, at the right time.
[1:06:27] Speaker 8: I'm a natural two guard at heart. I never thought
[1:06:31] Speaker 8: I could develop any point guard skills. I know Finchie
[1:06:36] Speaker 8: harps on me passing the ball, but now we got LaMelo,
[1:06:39] Speaker 8: so I'm happy.
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: He don't want to do none of that passing shit.
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Boogie. Does the mellow unlock another
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: level of Anthony Edwards by getting him easier shots, or
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: does Ant need the ball to be at his best?
[1:06:52] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[1:06:52] Speaker 7: He can focus on scoring. He can focus on being
[1:06:54] Speaker 7: in attack mode. It takes a special gift to be
[1:06:58] Speaker 7: that combo guard and be able to, you know, get
[1:07:00] Speaker 7: players involved and also, you know, be yourself at the
[1:07:04] Speaker 7: same time.
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: That's why I think we've.
[1:07:07] Speaker 7: Seen so many limited players where you only had the
[1:07:09] Speaker 7: James Hardens, the Lucas, you know, the LeBron, so.
[1:07:14] Speaker 2: Those are unique type of players.
[1:07:16] Speaker 7: But I'm glad that they're finally putting Ant in a
[1:07:19] Speaker 7: position to where he can be who he naturally is.
[1:07:22] Speaker 7: And I think that's when we'll see the best version
[1:07:24] Speaker 7: of him. And you bring in another talent that can
[1:07:26] Speaker 7: match his level of talent that can also take the
[1:07:29] Speaker 7: responsibility of controlling the team. So I think it puts Ant,
[1:07:35] Speaker 7: your franchise guy, exactly where you need him to be
[1:07:37] Speaker 7: in a comfortable situation, doing.
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: What he does best.
[1:07:41] Speaker 7: Having that pass first guard, it's, it's not even more
[1:07:46] Speaker 7: so about, and it's about the guys beside him as well,
[1:07:49] Speaker 7: as far as the McDaniels, the Kaminga, who's now part
[1:07:52] Speaker 7: of the team. And I also feel like Rudy now
[1:07:56] Speaker 7: becomes even more of a threat at the rim because
[1:07:58] Speaker 7: he's now an official loft or you have a guy
[1:08:00] Speaker 7: that can throw that pass.
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: So, uh, I think that unleashes another level for, for Rudy.
[1:08:05] Speaker 7: And it's not more so where he has to catch
[1:08:08] Speaker 7: the ball, make a move or, you know, figure out
[1:08:10] Speaker 7: a way to finish besides just, you know, dunking the ball. So, uh,
[1:08:14] Speaker 7: bringing in LaMelo helped a lot of that starting five,
[1:08:17] Speaker 7: you know, game. And I mean, the, the guy I'm
[1:08:21] Speaker 7: most excited for playing next to LaMelo is McDaniels.
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: I think he now.
[1:08:27] Speaker 7: Is able to, you know, get those open shots on
[1:08:29] Speaker 7: the wing. Uh, they're playing at a faster pace. That's
[1:08:32] Speaker 7: something that Finch mentioned. Um, some guys are limited in
[1:08:36] Speaker 7: those half court type situations. Um, I think some guys
[1:08:39] Speaker 7: flourish better in a full court, fast tempo type of
[1:08:43] Speaker 7: type of game. And, uh, That's why I feel like
[1:08:45] Speaker 7: McDaniels will take that next step offensively as well. And
[1:08:48] Speaker 7: then Kaminga as well, being the athlete that he is,
[1:08:51] Speaker 7: I think that was some of his struggle in Golden State,
[1:08:53] Speaker 7: being more so in a half court motion system not
[1:08:58] Speaker 7: really outside of Draymond it's not really it's not many
[1:09:02] Speaker 7: pass first guards on that team so it limits Kaminga
[1:09:06] Speaker 7: in that position as a wing guy that depends on
[1:09:09] Speaker 7: you know another person to get him the ball so
[1:09:12] Speaker 7: I feel like for that whole story five they're all
[1:09:14] Speaker 7: going to flourish offensively and it's and it's also it's
[1:09:17] Speaker 7: also going to be in a way where Even though
[1:09:20] Speaker 7: everybody is flourishing, it's a balance within the starting five.
[1:09:23] Speaker 7: So I think LaMelo's impact is a lot bigger than
[1:09:27] Speaker 7: they're giving him credit for right now.
[1:09:29] Speaker 2: Obviously, once we start seeing it.
[1:09:31] Speaker 7: Unfold, you'll start hearing more compliments of how this came together.
[1:09:35] Speaker 7: But just being a fan of LaMelo and Charlton and
[1:09:39] Speaker 7: seeing how he controls the tempo.
[1:09:42] Speaker 2: Of the game, it's going to be beautiful for Minnesota.
[1:09:45] Speaker 2: What did you call them? The Wyamberwolves? The Wyamberwolves. Wyamberwolves.
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: I like that.
[1:09:52] Speaker 3: No, I think LaMelo's a hell of a player. He's
[1:09:54] Speaker 3: going to open the floor up for a lot of
[1:09:56] Speaker 3: those guys there. Perimeter-wise, they're stacked. Part of me was like,
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: why do they pay so many guards? Because you did
[1:10:06] Speaker 3: pay Io DeSimu. Then you brought in Melo, and you
[1:10:10] Speaker 3: got Jaden also. Very guard-heavy. And I feel like they're
[1:10:13] Speaker 3: very talented on that. aspect of the floor. I don't
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: know what bigs they picked up, but if Rudy's your
[1:10:19] Speaker 3: only big, you're in a lot of trouble. Before, Kaminga
[1:10:24] Speaker 3: was on. Now, I thought there was a lot of
[1:10:26] Speaker 3: holes there, but now they picked Kaminga up, so you
[1:10:28] Speaker 3: have Jaden and Kaminga both can play the four, so
[1:10:30] Speaker 3: that helps. And you can go really small where some
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: of them possibly could play a five, right?
[1:10:35] Speaker 2: If they needed to.
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: I don't know what's their depth in that chart, on
[1:10:40] Speaker 3: the chart for the center position.
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: Look at it.
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: Yohan is French, so... Yoan Berenze or something like that.
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: Berenze?
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: You said he's French? He's French, yeah. He's 20 years old, 6'11.
[1:10:51] Speaker 2: That's Rudy, partner. And is that the only little big
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: they have?
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: Family tree.
[1:10:57] Speaker 6: These French niggas getting out of hand, man.
[1:10:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:11:01] Speaker 3: So, I mean, it's going to be exciting. It's going
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: to be a lot of fun. They're going to get
[1:11:05] Speaker 3: up and down fast-paced.
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: That's what.
[1:11:07] Speaker 3: Kaminga likes to do it. That's what Jada McDaniels likes
[1:11:09] Speaker 3: to do. Io DeSumo, I think it's over for him.
[1:11:10] Speaker 3: A lot less pressure on him. Even though he got paid,
[1:11:13] Speaker 3: he's going to be a secondary ball handler and a
[1:11:14] Speaker 3: guy who can just run the floor and just attack
[1:11:17] Speaker 3: the rim. He's great at getting to the paint. Go ahead.
[1:11:20] Speaker 7: The fact that you mentioned Io, he did end up signing.
[1:11:24] Speaker 2: Yeah. And it was before they ended up making that
[1:11:26] Speaker 2: Lomelo move.
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: Before they made the trade, yeah. So I think.
[1:11:30] Speaker 7: Minnesota's also in a position now, if we do feel
[1:11:33] Speaker 7: like we're in need of something, I think that's a
[1:11:35] Speaker 7: very tradable contract. He now becomes a very valuable asset.
[1:11:39] Speaker 7: So let's say they are lacking in the big department.
[1:11:42] Speaker 7: They can go use that contract and get a pretty
[1:11:44] Speaker 7: valuable big back.
[1:11:46] Speaker 2: For sure.
[1:11:47] Speaker 3: There's a lot of depth on the wing, and I
[1:11:48] Speaker 3: think it's going to be fun and exciting seeing them
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: get out and run.
[1:11:52] Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't think, you need bigs, bro, especially in
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: the West.
[1:11:56] Speaker 3: You got Jokic, Wimby, you got the double big, you
[1:11:59] Speaker 3: got Aaron Gordon on the floor for them, and you
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: got backups over there in San Antonio and OKC with
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: Hartenstein and Chet. Like, you need big, like, double big
[1:12:06] Speaker 3: lineups sometimes.
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:12:08] Speaker 3: Now, are they, their style of play, I don't know
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: what they, I'm assuming they're just going to transition up
[1:12:12] Speaker 3: and down and try to outrun teams. Will that be
[1:12:14] Speaker 3: the next style of play? We don't know until they win, right?
[1:12:17] Speaker 3: And if they win, everybody's going to be like, all right,
[1:12:19] Speaker 3: we're going to go small, small ball again.
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: Seems great for the regular season. Yes.
[1:12:22] Speaker 3: When it comes to the playoffs, the game slows down
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: a little bit and you throw that ball inside to
[1:12:26] Speaker 3: Wemby Yoke and you got nobody to just, Rudy, who's
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: a good defender, he's the only one. If he gets
[1:12:31] Speaker 3: in foul trouble, you're in a lot of trouble. But, um,
[1:12:34] Speaker 3: Outside of that, this is an exciting team that's going
[1:12:36] Speaker 3: to be fun to watch. And, yeah, even though they
[1:12:40] Speaker 3: say Luck Gold, Julius, and Nas, I thought that hurt them.
[1:12:43] Speaker 3: But when they picked up Kaminga, I was like, all right,
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: that helps a little bit. But I'm just– it's going
[1:12:46] Speaker 3: to be interesting. But Lomelo said great pickup, open to
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: the floor.
[1:12:52] Speaker 2: They needed a point guard.
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: You didn't sign any bigs offseason? No, we're going to
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: get to that in a second.
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: Drew Timmy.
[1:13:00] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:13:00] Speaker 2: Okay. Who? I like him. I like Drew Timmy. From Gonzaga?
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: Drew Timmy.
[1:13:06] Speaker 1: Is he on the training camp roster?
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:13:07] Speaker 3: But he's not like a big, big. He's more of
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: a passing big.
[1:13:10] Speaker 2: Passing big. Skill. Top of the league. Shoot the three.
[1:13:13] Speaker 2: Space the floor a little bit. That was so funny
[1:13:15] Speaker 2: when I see it because I was like, oh, he's skilled. Okay.
[1:13:17] Speaker 2: I like it.
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: Timmy.
[1:13:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's more of a slow pace. He's not going
[1:13:22] Speaker 3: to be up and down.
[1:13:23] Speaker 7: I mean, it would have made sense that they would
[1:13:26] Speaker 7: make a move for Isaiah Stewart.
[1:13:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: Especially if, you know, the Detroit Pistons are willing to
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: give him up so quick.
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: You let go of Nas and Julius. You got to find.
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be mad at, you know, Stu being
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: in the mix.
[1:13:40] Speaker 2: I mean, you bring in LaMelo. He's great now. It changes. Like,
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: when you're talking about Ant-Man, when you have a two-guard combo,
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: you can't double. Right. It takes away all double teams, right?
[1:13:55] Speaker 2: Packing a lane becomes difficult with two guards that can
[1:13:58] Speaker 2: put that ball in the basket. So you're looking at
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: Blazers back when Dame and CJ was just walking through people.
[1:14:07] Speaker 2: Klay and Curry just walking through people. So when you're
[1:14:11] Speaker 2: talking about these two, one is a pure point guard
[1:14:14] Speaker 2: that has vision out of this world. So now you're like, okay, J-Kid, right?
[1:14:19] Speaker 2: Then Vince is Ant-Man. Yeah, there you go. With more attitude, right?
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: So then Lamento got shooting and a natural score. So
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: you're looking at a combo that is sitting there trying
[1:14:31] Speaker 2: to put 60 combined. Right. With guys who can dive
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: and hit open shots. So when you're talking about a
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: high-level offense that has a little bit of everything you need.
[1:14:45] Speaker 6: for you to have to guard it straight up.
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: All pick and rolls. That sagging shit ain't working on LaMelo.
[1:14:51] Speaker 2: You're going to have to pick him up at half court.
[1:14:53] Speaker 2: So if you're picking LaMelo up at half court and
[1:14:56] Speaker 2: that big has to be up there with him, you
[1:14:58] Speaker 2: pass that, you whip it over to Ant-Man, now he's
[1:15:00] Speaker 2: taking off to the basket. Trouble.
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: You're going to see another step from Ant-Man because you
[1:15:07] Speaker 2: can't sag anymore. You can't sit there. All that sitting
[1:15:10] Speaker 2: there off of Rudy's shit, LaMelo's sitting there like, all right,
[1:15:13] Speaker 2: you going to do that? Bring it over here. Pick
[1:15:15] Speaker 2: and roll. Throw that lob. Pick and roll. Fake the lob.
[1:15:18] Speaker 2: Here comes the lay. He's mixing that up, and there's
[1:15:22] Speaker 2: no Conley. No offense. But that Conley defense, you got
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: to sit back there and do all that with him.
[1:15:28] Speaker 2: LaMelo's going to pick you apart. Absolutely. LaMelo not playing defense?
[1:15:33] Speaker 2: I don't need LaMelo to play no defense. Not with
[1:15:35] Speaker 2: the goons I got back here. Ant-Man going to pick
[1:15:37] Speaker 2: up everybody. And then LaMelo just, hey, just play the lanes.
[1:15:42] Speaker 2: Just be a team defender. Team defender. Just do on this.
[1:15:45] Speaker 2: Don't get in no foul trouble. We need you out
[1:15:48] Speaker 2: there with Ant-Man at all times.
[1:15:50] Speaker 7: And even to piggyback off of that, I wouldn't be
[1:15:53] Speaker 7: surprised if he actually becomes a better defender.
[1:15:56] Speaker 2: Yep, he will.
[1:15:56] Speaker 7: Because now you stand out when the rest of the group,
[1:16:00] Speaker 7: you know, defense is on a screen.
[1:16:02] Speaker 2: It's on the road.
[1:16:02] Speaker 7: So if you that one guy out, like, you can
[1:16:05] Speaker 7: be held accountable every day. So in my mind, I
[1:16:08] Speaker 7: wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a better defender with
[1:16:10] Speaker 7: this group. And I think the biggest thing that's also
[1:16:14] Speaker 7: missing with this is, you know, you brought up the
[1:16:16] Speaker 7: likes of a Mike Conley. I think Mike was a
[1:16:18] Speaker 7: great guy. I think we can all agree Mike was
[1:16:20] Speaker 7: a hell of a point guard.
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: Hell yeah. But the difference is Mike is 6'1. Melo, 6'8.
[1:16:25] Speaker 7: So that in itself is a matchup problem.
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: So you now have the average point guard on every team.
[1:16:32] Speaker 2: Let's say he's six foot. Good day, 6'3. That's a
[1:16:37] Speaker 2: tough matchup. You either guarding a 6'5 wing or you
[1:16:40] Speaker 2: guarding a 6'8 PG.
[1:16:42] Speaker 7: You take your pick, brother. So I think that's a
[1:16:46] Speaker 7: big difference for them as well.

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