# Nikola Jokic & The Nuggets Are Playing DUMB Basketball

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 14 May 2025, 2 h 36 min.

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Nikola Jokic & The Nuggets Are On The BRINK Of Elimination as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to a thrilling game 5 between the Denver Nuggets & OKC Thunder where Shai Gilgeous Alexander came through in the clutch and carried the Thunder to a pivotal win in the NBA Playoff Series. They debate which NBA MVP candidate has looked the most like the best player in the world in this series and break down what the Nuggets need to do to help Jokic before reacting to the reports of a hostile locker room exchange between Aaron Gordon & Russell Westbrook. Next, they react to Tyrese Haliburton & The Indiana Pacers advancing to the Eastern Conference Finals for the 2nd year in a row after a dominant performance over the Cleveland Cavaliers and debate if this team should be considered as a real threat to win the NBA Championship. They also break down the future for the Cleveland Cavaliers who came up way short after their best season in franchise history and revisit the classic Gil's Arena debate of if Donovan Mitchell should be considered a #1 option on a championship team. Finally, the Gil's Arena Crew breaks down the current state of the Golden State Warriors who also sit on the brink of elimination without their superstar Steph Curry and react to the return of Paul George to the podcast game following the announcement of a Podcast P reboot. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin & Brandon Jennings Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 0:00:00 2 Min Countdown 0:02:03 Show Start 0:09:05 How Gil Scammed The Orange County Fair 0:12:52 Jokic & The Nuggets Are Playing Dumb Basketball 0:31:43 Jokic NEEDS Help!! 0:36:36 Who Is The Real MVP Of This Series? 0:50:20 Will The Game Ever Go Back To Old School Basketball? 1:11:46 Aaron Gordon Defends Russell Westbrook 1:20:20 Can Haliburton & The Pacers Win The Title? 1:35:47 Haliburton Is A Pure Superstar 1:51:25 Pacers vs Knicks Predictions 1:55:35 The Celtics Have No Chance To Win The Series 2:01:10 The Cavs Season Ends In Dissapointment 2:12:59 Is Donovan Mitchell The Guy On A Championship Team? 2:18:19 Max Struss' Message To The Cavs 2:25:25 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:04] Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa. That's a go.
[0:07] Speaker 1: That's a go.
[0:08] Speaker 2: Talking a little football here in the arena.
[0:10] Speaker 1: That's a go.
[0:12] Speaker 3: You got some football stuff coming up for this season, right?
[0:14] Speaker 3: You still got that in North?
[0:16] Speaker 1: Not we. Yeah.
[0:17] Speaker 2: You work me enough.
[0:18] Speaker 1: Trying.
[0:18] Speaker 2: But I'll be supporting at the crib.
[0:20] Speaker 4: Some Rams stuff.
[0:23] Speaker 2: Trying to get it going. I love me some Rams, boy.
[0:26] Speaker 4: There's no Chargers.
[0:27] Speaker 2: Got Adams.
[0:28] Speaker 4: Chargers, no. There's two teams here.
[0:30] Speaker 1: I know. I don't.
[0:31] Speaker 2: Can't support both of them? Not yet.
[0:33] Speaker 1: Not yet. So you got to pick one you like. No, see,
[0:36] Speaker 1: I'm a new Rams fan, so I don't even have
[0:37] Speaker 1: an enemy yet.
[0:38] Speaker 2: I got you.
[0:39] Speaker 1: I got to figure out who their enemies is and then.
[0:41] Speaker 1: Whoever they conference.
[0:42] Speaker 5: L.A.
[0:42] Speaker 2: Still ain't embraced the Chargers. I'm in a division.
[0:44] Speaker 4: That's San Diego squad. Like whoever like in the division, right?
[0:47] Speaker 4: Should have brought the Raiders back. Yeah, no, I'm just
[0:50] Speaker 4: like it's the Broncos.
[0:55] Speaker 2: The Broncos. Raiders. Chiefs. The Chiefs.
[0:58] Speaker 1: I can't. I can't be for the Raiders.
[0:59] Speaker 2: That's L.A.
[1:00] Speaker 1: Too.
[1:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know better. You know better, Gil. This is
[1:07] Speaker 3: Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Woo Woo. As always, we
[1:10] Speaker 3: got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. Rocking the
[1:17] Speaker 3: Cooper flag. Yeah, you know, high school.
[1:19] Speaker 1: I know he's familiar with this color, so he should
[1:22] Speaker 1: be coming soon. Not now. Not yet. But eventually, you
[1:26] Speaker 1: feel me? You got to put on about 60 pounds. Lakers, everybody.
[1:30] Speaker 1: They ain't even got drafted yet. I'm still trying to
[1:34] Speaker 1: figure out, you know, they want to make a trade.
[1:37] Speaker 2: For who? Let them put on 60 pounds. Only person
[1:38] Speaker 2: y'all got.
[1:39] Speaker 1: That they're going to want.
[1:43] Speaker 3: Give him a second. Let him fire the hooker, you know.
[1:46] Speaker 3: He might want Rui, you know. We got Rui. We
[1:51] Speaker 3: got Rui.
[1:51] Speaker 1: One guy.
[1:52] Speaker 2: We got some cash. We got some cash.
[1:54] Speaker 1: Damn. Some stock in the Laker organization. You know what?
[1:58] Speaker 4: We'll trade you number 77 for the number one pick.
[2:02] Speaker 2: Trade him back. Trade him back to you.
[2:03] Speaker 1: That would be crazy. Oh, my God.
[2:06] Speaker 2: That would be crazy. We want Kyrie, too. Definitely. Get
[2:09] Speaker 2: Kyrie back on his journey, get him right.
[2:11] Speaker 1: Boycott.
[2:14] Speaker 3: On this side of the couch, representing Tough Crowd, Tough
[2:16] Speaker 3: Crowd University, we got Mr. B, Brandon Jennings.
[2:21] Speaker 2: We see it. Yeah. I'm liking what Tough Crowd has
[2:24] Speaker 2: been rolling out lately. Thank you. Appreciate you for always
[2:26] Speaker 2: blessing the arena. Thank you.
[2:28] Speaker 3: Finding us new threads, keeping us looking fashionable. And on
[2:31] Speaker 3: this side of the couch, we got the distinguished gentleman
[2:33] Speaker 3: from Oak Cliff, former number one pick, Kenya Martin, back
[2:36] Speaker 3: here with us.
[2:38] Speaker 1: What's happening?
[2:40] Speaker 3: And for all the fans out there, we still got
[2:41] Speaker 3: two viewing options for you, our traditional version, mobile, vertical version.
[2:44] Speaker 3: Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure
[2:46] Speaker 3: you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today.
[2:50] Speaker 3: The Thunder came through in the clutch again to get
[2:52] Speaker 3: their second straight win over the Nuggets, take a 3-2
[2:54] Speaker 3: series lead. What does Denver need to do to slow
[2:57] Speaker 3: down this OKC squad to force a game seven? They
[3:01] Speaker 3: got the Nuggets looking like old men out there. That
[3:04] Speaker 3: crew throwing that bench at them. The Joker, MF, new
[3:08] Speaker 3: game's going to waste.
[3:08] Speaker 1: Nah, man.
[3:09] Speaker 2: That man needs some help. He needs some help.
[3:11] Speaker 1: Help!
[3:13] Speaker 3: Tyrese Halliburton delivered a dominant performance to send the Pacers
[3:16] Speaker 3: to their second straight Eastern Conference Finals. But does Hallie's
[3:19] Speaker 3: squad have enough to be a 16-win team this postseason?
[3:24] Speaker 3: They're halfway there. They got the eight. They need eight more.
[3:27] Speaker 3: Some on this couch are believers. Some are not.
[3:29] Speaker 2: Hey, I'm okay.
[3:32] Speaker 1: We'll get to it. We're going to get to it, yeah.
[3:34] Speaker 1: You see who he pointed at? He pointed at you.
[3:36] Speaker 1: He wanted to hear your opinion.
[3:38] Speaker 3: And the Cavs were the top-seeded team in the East
[3:40] Speaker 3: this season, but their injury-plagued roster got hit with the
[3:43] Speaker 3: gentleman's sweep. Should Cleveland run it back next season? Donovan
[3:47] Speaker 3: Mitchell said he wants to run it back. Very emotional, obviously,
[3:50] Speaker 3: after getting eliminated from the playoffs. Had a lot of
[3:53] Speaker 3: things to say. But before we get into all that,
[3:54] Speaker 3: as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog.
[3:56] Speaker 3: Please download the app, use promo code GILL, get $ 1, 000
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[4:01] Speaker 3: Gil has some picks up in his partner pack on
[4:03] Speaker 3: the underdog app Gil already hit earlier this week. So
[4:07] Speaker 3: I'd be inclined to roll with him. He had to
[4:09] Speaker 3: replace me.
[4:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't.
[4:10] Speaker 2: I was.
[4:11] Speaker 1: No.
[4:12] Speaker 2: I had a doctor's appointment. Who was that damn 16? Yeah, Toe. Yeah,
[4:15] Speaker 2: Toe Banger. Harris Garland.
[4:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he was out there.
[4:21] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown hired 4.5.
[4:22] Speaker 1: Cut it off.
[4:22] Speaker 2: Fucking Toe.
[4:22] Speaker 1: Cut it off. Big Bodega hired 19.5 points.
[4:24] Speaker 2: Derek White. higher.
[4:31] Speaker 1: 18.5 points.
[4:32] Speaker 3: Julius Randle missing his first three-point attempt in the game tonight.
[4:38] Speaker 2: Okay, Gus, you got a little bit more bold and ambitious.
[4:41] Speaker 1: That's somebody telling him. That's some real gambling shit. Either
[4:44] Speaker 1: I'm going to start with a green or just start
[4:47] Speaker 1: with a red and just call it a night.
[4:50] Speaker 2: I need the ones that can go all game because
[4:51] Speaker 2: then you get disappointed.
[4:52] Speaker 1: No, no.
[4:52] Speaker 2: I refuse to do certain.
[5:00] Speaker 1: Certain ones, because it's like, you'd be like all green,
[5:03] Speaker 1: and for some reason, the one you need is always
[5:06] Speaker 1: the last one, and that's the one that turns red. Like,
[5:09] Speaker 1: come on.
[5:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. First attempt.
[5:12] Speaker 1: First attempt. We asked the chat if they were riding
[5:15] Speaker 1: or fading. I did that one day.
[5:16] Speaker 2: I just did. I went all in one day. Like,
[5:18] Speaker 2: first everything. Yeah, first everything. All that shit was red.
[5:22] Speaker 4: They should give you something if you go all red.
[5:24] Speaker 4: I went crazy, too. It was like, I went, it
[5:26] Speaker 4: was like something that you... If I hit four of
[5:30] Speaker 4: these motherfuckers, it's great. I have times. It was like
[5:35] Speaker 4: 190 times the money. Some crazy shit, right? They know
[5:38] Speaker 4: what they're doing. We asked the chat if they're riding
[5:41] Speaker 4: or fading with your picks for tonight, Gil. 60% of
[5:44] Speaker 4: the chat is rolling with these picks.
[5:47] Speaker 2: Good job, Gil.
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[5:52] Speaker 3: cash plus a special pick.
[5:53] Speaker 1: I know I messed up. Players, F up to it.
[5:57] Speaker 1: But go ahead.
[5:58] Speaker 2: Was that Diet Coke? Mm-hmm. Who drinks Diet Coke?
[6:02] Speaker 1: Ain't Diet Coke a delicious beverage?
[6:06] Speaker 2: For those who don't want calories. There's no calories?
[6:10] Speaker 1: No, there's got to be some calories.
[6:11] Speaker 2: I ain't put anything.
[6:12] Speaker 4: Some fuckers eat cheeseburger and chili cheese fries with a
[6:15] Speaker 4: Diet Coke.
[6:16] Speaker 2: Let's stop the shit, man. Save that 200 calories. But
[6:20] Speaker 2: what you eat with the Diet Coke.
[6:25] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I hear it and see it all
[6:27] Speaker 1: the time.
[6:27] Speaker 2: On that diet. Might as well just get the regular.
[6:35] Speaker 4: Get the regular and no fries. So what's worse, the
[6:39] Speaker 4: no sugar or the calories? I think the sugar is,
[6:41] Speaker 4: might as well get the one with.
[6:42] Speaker 1: No sugar, right? Calories is.
[6:44] Speaker 2: Double up.
[6:45] Speaker 1: I'm just asking.
[6:48] Speaker 3: If you can't watch the show live, it's on YouTube.
[6:50] Speaker 3: We have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you
[6:52] Speaker 3: get your podcasts. So we're going to start this one
[6:54] Speaker 3: a little bit different. Gil, last week on the show,
[6:55] Speaker 3: you talked about how you found a loophole at the
[6:57] Speaker 3: county fair basketball game, ended up getting banned. So our
[7:02] Speaker 3: expert team found this photo of you at the county fair.
[7:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, boy.
[7:08] Speaker 2: That's a lot of stuff, animals. Confirming the story.
[7:11] Speaker 3: This was posted on your Instagram back in 2015 with
[7:14] Speaker 3: the following caption. We just got banned from all the
[7:16] Speaker 3: basketball hoops. at the Orange County Fair. Everyone screamed, the
[7:20] Speaker 3: rims are bent. I screamed, hibachi, hashtag arena family, hashtag
[7:25] Speaker 3: county fair rock stars. So OC Fair spokeswoman Robin Wagner said,
[7:30] Speaker 3: you weren't actually banned from returning and playing in the future,
[7:33] Speaker 3: but had won the daily maximum of one prize per
[7:36] Speaker 3: day from each of the fair's 15 basketball games. She
[7:41] Speaker 3: also said no one at the fair recalled anyone previously
[7:43] Speaker 3: achieving that same winning streak. So what's the key to
[7:46] Speaker 3: gaming the system? And winning big at the fair for
[7:49] Speaker 3: everybody out there because some of us struggle. I know
[7:51] Speaker 3: the rims are bent, but what's the hustle?
[7:53] Speaker 1: So on the long ones, right, it's the angle. Like
[7:59] Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm sitting there looking at it like, and
[8:02] Speaker 1: I said, yo, can you put the ball in? So,
[8:04] Speaker 1: you know, they grab it and they do it like that.
[8:07] Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, so it's bent like this. So
[8:09] Speaker 1: I got to shoot at that angle, right? So I
[8:12] Speaker 1: get to the side. And so instead of shooting at mine,
[8:14] Speaker 1: I'm shooting sideways.
[8:17] Speaker 2: So, corner store.
[8:18] Speaker 1: That was so funny. So, it'd like hit and then
[8:21] Speaker 1: sit around and then go in and if it bounced,
[8:23] Speaker 1: it bounces.
[8:23] Speaker 2: To the next one too and go in.
[8:25] Speaker 1: So, I was.
[8:26] Speaker 2: So, it counts if it.
[8:27] Speaker 1: And then they start changing and say, it's only the
[8:29] Speaker 1: one that you should aim at and shit like that.
[8:31] Speaker 4: Like, come on, really?
[8:32] Speaker 1: They ain't know what they was doing. And they sitting
[8:34] Speaker 1: there like, come on!
[8:36] Speaker 3: So, what's the process like for getting banned for the
[8:39] Speaker 3: day at the county fair? They roll up on you
[8:41] Speaker 3: with security... Yeah, they did.
[8:43] Speaker 1: Like, because I was just going from what's-her-name to what's-her-name,
[8:45] Speaker 1: and they're looking at all the tours, and it was like, yeah,
[8:49] Speaker 1: you maxed out for the day. How you maxed out?
[8:52] Speaker 1: I ain't no max.
[8:54] Speaker 2: Oh, now it is. They ain't never had nobody win.
[8:57] Speaker 1: You're going to play some other games. I don't know
[8:59] Speaker 1: no other games.
[9:01] Speaker 2: Orange County Fair, huh? Yeah, they made us that shit.
[9:04] Speaker 2: They made that shit up on the fly. Like, shit,
[9:06] Speaker 2: we got to get this nigga out of here.
[9:09] Speaker 3: And Garner, can we pull that photo up one more time, please?
[9:11] Speaker 3: My good man. I had the little ones. I had
[9:14] Speaker 3: the big ones, boy.
[9:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. How much money did you end up spending to
[9:18] Speaker 1: win all those prizes? I don't remember.
[9:23] Speaker 2: But he was going home with it.
[9:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. You see, I had stuff behind us.
[9:30] Speaker 2: I see all this stuff. Big elephant. What is that?
[9:33] Speaker 3: What did you end up doing with all those? Kids, man.
[9:37] Speaker 3: But do they need all the stuffed animals?
[9:40] Speaker 2: Yes.
[9:40] Speaker 4: They enjoy stuffed animals. Trust me.
[9:43] Speaker 1: They started arguing about the ones that just had one
[9:45] Speaker 1: in it. It was rough.
[9:48] Speaker 2: They like, Daddy, shoot.
[9:50] Speaker 3: Dad, go play this one. No, that's lit, though. With
[9:53] Speaker 3: the donut hat. I thought it was a sombrero at first.
[9:55] Speaker 3: With the donut hat on top of the donut. Good
[9:58] Speaker 3: old days, boy.
[9:58] Speaker 4: This boy is crazy.
[9:59] Speaker 2: Look at little Elijah.
[10:00] Speaker 3: All right, well, let's keep this thing moving because we
[10:04] Speaker 3: got some playoff basketball to talk about. But today's podcast
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[10:48] Speaker 2: Had some big games last night.
[10:50] Speaker 3: SGA came through with a clutch performance in Game 4
[10:53] Speaker 3: to even the Thunder Nuggets series at two games each.
[10:56] Speaker 3: Nikola Jokic led the Nuggets with 27 points and 13 rebounds,
[10:59] Speaker 3: but shot under 40% from the field for the third
[11:01] Speaker 3: straight game. When a series is tied 2-2, the team
[11:04] Speaker 3: that wins Game 5 goes on to win that series 81%
[11:08] Speaker 3: of the time. Both teams played like this game, like
[11:11] Speaker 3: their season was on the line.
[11:12] Speaker 1: Let's take a look. At the highlights, if we can, please.
[11:15] Speaker 3: So after combining for 25 points in the first quarter
[11:17] Speaker 3: of Game 4, both teams got to work early in
[11:19] Speaker 3: this one, combining for 55 points. OKC jumped out to
[11:23] Speaker 3: a 12-2 lead to start the game, but the Nuggets
[11:25] Speaker 3: kept their composure, fought their way back into the game.
[11:28] Speaker 3: The league's two MVP finalists showed just how valuable they are.
[11:31] Speaker 3: SGA finished with 31 points, 6 rebounds, and 7 assists.
[11:34] Speaker 3: He was 12-23 from the field, 6-6 from the line.
[11:38] Speaker 3: While Joker had something like an MFU game, reminiscent of
[11:41] Speaker 3: the series opener, putting up 44 points, 15 rebounds, and
[11:44] Speaker 3: 5 assists in 44 minutes of action. Jokic was 17-25
[11:49] Speaker 3: from the field, 5-7 from three, and 5-5 from the line.
[11:53] Speaker 3: Jamal Murray had 28 points on 10-27 shooting. He was
[11:56] Speaker 3: 3-13 from beyond the arc, and Aaron Gordon had 13-5 boards.
[12:01] Speaker 1: But Michael Porter Jr. Westbrook struggled for the second straight game.
[12:04] Speaker 1: Porter Jr.
[12:05] Speaker 3: Finished with two points on 1-7 shooting, missed all five
[12:08] Speaker 3: of his three-point attempts.
[12:09] Speaker 2: Westbrook had four points. On one of seven shooting. You
[12:12] Speaker 2: just ain't going to talk about the black boys. You're
[12:13] Speaker 2: going to talk about the white boy, too, that's struggling, too.
[12:15] Speaker 2: Christian Brown.
[12:16] Speaker 4: Throw him in there, too.
[12:17] Speaker 2: Christian Brown would be thrown in there, too. Right now.
[12:20] Speaker 1: Christian Brown would be thrown in there. Put him on
[12:21] Speaker 1: the grill right with him. Christian Brown would be thrown
[12:23] Speaker 1: in the grill, too. Momentarily.
[12:28] Speaker 2: Three of 12.
[12:29] Speaker 1: Eight points for Christian Brown.
[12:33] Speaker 4: Clayton Biggs be over this big.
[12:35] Speaker 1: Crazy.
[12:37] Speaker 3: Nuggets shot 28% from three, making just 13 of their
[12:39] Speaker 3: 46 attempts, but still led for most of the game.
[12:41] Speaker 3: OKC had a balanced scoring attack. Six players scoring as
[12:44] Speaker 3: double figures. After an off-shooting night in game four, Jalen
[12:47] Speaker 3: Williams bounced back in this one, finished with 18 points,
[12:50] Speaker 3: nine rebounds. Hartenstein had 15 and seven on seven to
[12:52] Speaker 3: ten shooting. Chet Holmgren, 14 and eight boards and two blocks.
[12:55] Speaker 3: He was six and nine from the field. Lou Dortz,
[12:57] Speaker 3: huge in the fourth quarter. Nine of his 12 points
[13:00] Speaker 3: in the final frame. Caruso had 13 off the bench.
[13:02] Speaker 3: Thunder were down by nine with a little over ten
[13:04] Speaker 3: minutes remaining in the game. Went on an 11-2 run
[13:06] Speaker 3: to tie things up with six minutes remaining. Dort hit
[13:09] Speaker 3: three threes in that stretch. Kings went back and forth
[13:14] Speaker 3: with the Nuggets down three. Joker came through with this
[13:17] Speaker 3: ridiculous three to tie the game. But O.K.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Responded.
[13:21] Speaker 2: O.K.
[13:22] Speaker 3: Responded back-to-back threes from Jalen Williams and SGA to go
[13:24] Speaker 3: up six. SGA knocked down two free throws as well
[13:27] Speaker 3: to cap off an 8-0 run to put the game
[13:29] Speaker 3: out of reach. Thunder made six straight shots in clutch time.
[13:32] Speaker 3: Shot 50% from the field, 40% from three in the game.
[13:36] Speaker 3: The Thunder have outscored the Nuggets 63-37 in the past
[13:41] Speaker 3: two fourth quarters to get their second straight win. Now
[13:44] Speaker 3: a game away from reaching their first Western Conference Final
[13:47] Speaker 3: Six 2016. After the game, SGA and head coach Mark
[13:50] Speaker 3: Dagnall had this to say about their squad.
[13:53] Speaker 2: We had no choice.
[13:55] Speaker 5: The game obviously wasn't going our way. And we always
[13:58] Speaker 5: say the answer is never a hero play or anything
[14:03] Speaker 5: out of the ordinary. It's being who we are. It's
[14:05] Speaker 5: trusting each other, playing with all five on both ends
[14:08] Speaker 5: and whatever the problem is, we can fix it with
[14:11] Speaker 5: collective effort and not a single effort.
[14:13] Speaker 6: And that's all we try to focus on when it
[14:15] Speaker 6: wasn't going our way. Uh, we did enough to, uh,
[14:17] Speaker 6: to get a W and we don't play it to
[14:19] Speaker 6: answer anybody. We just play, uh, for one another, you know,
[14:23] Speaker 6: for our fans, um, The guys have an unbelievable connection
[14:27] Speaker 6: in the locker room. That's enough for us, and they've
[14:32] Speaker 6: had an unbelievable spirit. That's why they've accomplished what they've
[14:35] Speaker 6: accomplished to this point, and it's why they show the
[14:38] Speaker 6: type of resolve on a night. Like I said, for
[14:41] Speaker 6: a lot of that game, we didn't have our fastball,
[14:43] Speaker 6: but we hung around long enough and showed great will
[14:48] Speaker 6: and connectedness down the stretch.
[14:51] Speaker 3: What is the Thunder's dominance in the fourth quarter, and
[14:53] Speaker 3: especially clutch time? these past two games, say about this team?
[15:05] Speaker 3: I mean, their offense is very simple. It's ISO basketball. It's,
[15:10] Speaker 3: you know, we try to figure out who the mismatch
[15:12] Speaker 3: has and then we just go one-on-one.
[15:16] Speaker 1: But the fact that the right people are making the
[15:19] Speaker 1: plays and in the fourth quarter. Like, no matter how
[15:23] Speaker 1: they're playing in the first three quarters, in the fourth quarter,
[15:26] Speaker 1: the right people have the ball. And I think that's
[15:30] Speaker 1: the difference between them finishing off the game very well
[15:34] Speaker 1: versus Denver.
[15:35] Speaker 2: That, you know, SGA Williams is going to be making
[15:38] Speaker 2: a play.
[15:40] Speaker 1: And then when they give it up, if there's not
[15:42] Speaker 1: a quick open shot, give it back and.
[15:43] Speaker 2: We're going to go again.
[15:45] Speaker 3: Also have guys like, you know, role players like Lou
[15:47] Speaker 3: Dort stepping up, knocking down three threes.
[15:49] Speaker 2: In that run.
[15:50] Speaker 4: He had made a few up to that. Like, I
[15:52] Speaker 4: just look at certain things. Like, he had made, what, three,
[15:54] Speaker 4: two or three threes in the fourth quarter. Um, but
[15:57] Speaker 4: the last one where they, where Aaron Gordon, Aaron Gordon
[16:00] Speaker 4: rotated off of Williams out of the corner and Luke
[16:03] Speaker 4: Dort was, I'm making Luke Dort shoot that one.
[16:06] Speaker 1: I'm a stunt.
[16:07] Speaker 2: I'm a stunt to get back to Williams.
[16:08] Speaker 4: Like, that corner shot for Williams is.
[16:12] Speaker 1: Easier, right?
[16:13] Speaker 4: But, no, they've been doing what they have to, man,
[16:16] Speaker 4: to get the wins the last two games, especially in
[16:18] Speaker 4: the fourth. Um, I think Nikola is tired in the fourth,
[16:23] Speaker 4: having to do too much. Not coming out the game. Yeah.
[16:27] Speaker 4: Got to be on the floor. Can't afford to, man.
[16:30] Speaker 4: Especially when, like I stated yesterday about Michael Porter, right?
[16:35] Speaker 4: He had one good game throughout this series, man. He's
[16:37] Speaker 4: a liability out there. He's not playing well. You got
[16:40] Speaker 4: to sit him down. Yeah, you got to put Russ
[16:43] Speaker 4: in there. You have to play somebody different with those minutes, man.
[16:46] Speaker 4: He's not giving you nothing. Christian Brown, to your point
[16:49] Speaker 4: you was making yesterday, right? By guys shooting the ball
[16:53] Speaker 4: when you're in the fourth quarter. Are you two for
[16:55] Speaker 4: eight from three already? What are you still shooting three?
[16:58] Speaker 2: Like, what are you?
[17:00] Speaker 4: You got made two before the fourth quarter. Two for seven,
[17:04] Speaker 4: two for six up to that point. They're open for
[17:09] Speaker 4: a reason, man. They're not rushing. They're not running at
[17:12] Speaker 4: you for a reason.
[17:13] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[17:14] Speaker 4: You're not a point of emphasis from the three-point line
[17:16] Speaker 4: from them, man. You got to know that. You got
[17:18] Speaker 4: to know your strengths in the playoffs. You got to
[17:20] Speaker 4: go to them in order to be successful and to
[17:22] Speaker 4: help your team. It's about helping your team at this point.
[17:27] Speaker 4: You got to play to your strengths in the playoffs.
[17:31] Speaker 4: That's not what I was built on to get me
[17:34] Speaker 4: in the NBA. I wasn't built on making shots. I
[17:38] Speaker 4: was built on athleticism, movement, playing hard, defense. You're doing
[17:41] Speaker 4: those other things, but You got to play to your strengths.
[17:46] Speaker 4: And to your point, that's what Oklahoma City does. They
[17:52] Speaker 4: play to their strengths. They put the ball in these guys'
[17:54] Speaker 4: hands and expect them to make the right play. And
[17:57] Speaker 4: the guys that shouldn't be shooting the ball, not. And
[17:59] Speaker 4: the guys that are, so it's... And that's what happened late. Like,
[18:05] Speaker 4: Denver being.
[18:07] Speaker 4: Unselfish at times and selfish at times, right? Nicola being unselfish,
[18:11] Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon being unselfish, Jamal Murray being unselfish, passing the
[18:15] Speaker 4: ball to them guys and them guys not playing to
[18:18] Speaker 4: their strengths at times is being selfish.
[18:23] Speaker 3: When you think about the Thunder squad, two straight wins now,
[18:26] Speaker 3: take a 3-2 series lead.
[18:28] Speaker 2: I mean, they're young. Like SGA says, man, they stay consistent.
[18:32] Speaker 7: I just love the way how you stay poised through
[18:35] Speaker 7: it all, no matter what's in that fourth quarter. And,
[18:39] Speaker 7: you know, I think Denver, like you said, with Michael
[18:40] Speaker 7: Porter Jr., they got to go somewhere else with it.
[18:43] Speaker 7: You know, I'm playing Russ just because I know Russ
[18:46] Speaker 7: going to play hard and he going to give me something.
[18:50] Speaker 2: You know, I think Russ was like one for seven. Yeah.
[18:53] Speaker 7: But I still feel like with Russ out there, he
[18:55] Speaker 7: will actually do more than what he.
[18:57] Speaker 2: With Michael Porter.
[18:57] Speaker 4: He has other ways to impact the game. But for
[19:00] Speaker 4: the squad, you got six people in double figures. Jamal
[19:04] Speaker 4: Murray in double figures. other than Nikola and Aaron Gordon,
[19:08] Speaker 4: that ain't going to cut it. That's not going to
[19:11] Speaker 4: cut it.
[19:12] Speaker 7: I think just OKC's youth, them being young, and they
[19:17] Speaker 7: having fun, though.
[19:18] Speaker 2: I'm going to just be honest. I just didn't replace stupid.
[19:22] Speaker 1: OKC is not really doing anything that's dominating them.
[19:26] Speaker 2: OKC Denver's just dumb. They're playing dumb basketball. Right?
[19:41] Speaker 1: You....
[19:43] Speaker 2: The best shooters on OKC.
[19:46] Speaker 1: Right? Check can shoot the three, right? SGA can shoot
[19:50] Speaker 1: that three, right? They don't. You got two dudes who
[19:56] Speaker 1: have a flamethrower. They don't actually shoot the ball from
[20:01] Speaker 1: that deep. They just keep manipulating the defense to get
[20:05] Speaker 1: an easier shot. On the other hand, you have the
[20:09] Speaker 1: worst shooters on the floor. Combine both teams. The worst
[20:18] Speaker 1: shooters are sitting in Denver through the 30 people that's there.
[20:23] Speaker 1: And those guys are shooting more threes than everybody else.
[20:28] Speaker 2: That doesn't even make sense.
[20:31] Speaker 1: If you shoot your first one and you miss, don't
[20:34] Speaker 1: shoot no more.
[20:35] Speaker 2: No more threes.
[20:37] Speaker 1: You make it, I give you another one. That's how
[20:40] Speaker 1: we're going to play this game. But Christian Brown shouldn't
[20:43] Speaker 1: be shooting that many threes. Two for eight. Watson, there's
[20:48] Speaker 1: no threes for you dudes. Just take one dribble in.
[20:52] Speaker 1: That's the easiest. Just one dribble in changes your percentage.
[20:57] Speaker 2: Maybe they don't have that in their game.
[20:59] Speaker 1: Do it!
[21:00] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, maybe that's not in their game. I
[21:03] Speaker 2: don't think it. It's at this point, man.
[21:06] Speaker 4: He's out there chucking up threes when your percentage says
[21:10] Speaker 4: that you shouldn't be out there shooting them right now.
[21:11] Speaker 7: But that's what I'm saying. What is the coach saying?
[21:13] Speaker 7: What are these people saying? Somebody got to be saying
[21:15] Speaker 7: something if you're looking at the numbers and you still
[21:18] Speaker 7: tell them to shoot.
[21:19] Speaker 2: Nothing being said, man. Backdoor, like, slash, cut.
[21:22] Speaker 1: Like, Christian Brown, when he played last year, everything was
[21:26] Speaker 1: to the rim.
[21:28] Speaker 4: Right?
[21:29] Speaker 1: Athletic white boy. Go to the rim. Just dive.
[21:31] Speaker 2: Like, you know what I mean?
[21:32] Speaker 1: If you miss a layup, you have guys that are
[21:36] Speaker 1: athletic enough. You got Yoki, she's going to get it.
[21:38] Speaker 1: You got Aaron Gordon. And then I'm telling Michael Porter, oh.
[21:41] Speaker 2: Wait, listen.
[21:44] Speaker 1: I need you to take at least two dribbles for
[21:46] Speaker 1: your pull-up. These quick These quick shots you take because
[21:51] Speaker 1: you jump high, you're always off balance. All your shots
[21:54] Speaker 1: are off balance. They're not an on-balance shot. I think
[21:57] Speaker 1: you think you're open, and it's a good shot because
[21:59] Speaker 1: you just jump higher than everybody. But for the most part,
[22:03] Speaker 1: you're always leaning and always moving.
[22:05] Speaker 2: That's why your shot is short. I don't know how
[22:08] Speaker 2: you train in the summer.
[22:09] Speaker 1: If you train it, you should be training full court,
[22:13] Speaker 1: running to the corner, shooting, knowing how you can use
[22:16] Speaker 1: your speed. But for the most part, man, two dribbles,
[22:20] Speaker 1: pull up. Get the control under you. Offensive rebound. Slash
[22:26] Speaker 1: and dunk. Like, you should be doing other things. The
[22:28] Speaker 1: three-point shot right now, I don't, you know, they don't
[22:30] Speaker 1: care at this point.
[22:32] Speaker 3: Well, MPJ playing with the sprained AC joint. He should
[22:34] Speaker 3: be playing right now.
[22:34] Speaker 1: Right?
[22:35] Speaker 2: That's the left arm. But he can't lift his arm up.
[22:37] Speaker 1: Huh?
[22:38] Speaker 3: He can't lift his arm up. But it takes four
[22:39] Speaker 3: to six weeks to heal, he said.
[22:40] Speaker 1: I'm talking about the other shit that.
[22:42] Speaker 2: You want him to do.
[22:44] Speaker 1: Because if you can't lift your arm, bitch, don't shoot
[22:47] Speaker 1: the ball. Right? If they've hurt you that much, goddammit,
[22:51] Speaker 1: you need to be a dribble handoff guy. Dribble handoff dive. Like,
[22:56] Speaker 1: you shouldn't be shooting threes if your arm is messed up.
[23:00] Speaker 2: Put somebody else in the game.
[23:02] Speaker 1: Who else? The rest of the bench can't shoot for
[23:05] Speaker 1: shit either.
[23:05] Speaker 4: Somebody's got to play to their strengths.
[23:09] Speaker 1: I'm going to look at them and say, hey, man, look.
[23:14] Speaker 1: We as a group, we're not shooting more than 15
[23:17] Speaker 1: threes a day. We playing 2,000 basketball. We playing the
[23:22] Speaker 1: old Lakers style. There's going to be four threes, and
[23:26] Speaker 1: hopefully we three for five. Two for four, three for four,
[23:30] Speaker 1: that's it. Other than that, we're just going to attack
[23:33] Speaker 1: the lane, man, because that's what the other team is doing.
[23:35] Speaker 3: To your point, you're talking about Chet SGA, five three-pointers combined,
[23:38] Speaker 3: they were two for five.
[23:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't shoot. They don't shoot it.
[23:43] Speaker 1: They shoot it when they need it. Like, I've been. Like,
[23:45] Speaker 1: he's brown shot eight of them motherfuckers by himself.
[23:47] Speaker 4: Eight of his 12 shot attempts were threes. Yeah, and
[23:49] Speaker 4: the other two guys is really good. The one of
[23:51] Speaker 4: the guys is really, he's a star first team. And he's,
[23:54] Speaker 4: come on, man.
[23:55] Speaker 2: He only took five.
[23:56] Speaker 1: Like, when he let it go, you're like, okay, that's
[23:58] Speaker 1: going in. But he rarely takes them. He rarely is
[24:03] Speaker 1: going to sit there and settle for that shot. Like,
[24:05] Speaker 1: he has to done drove at least eight, nine times.
[24:09] Speaker 2: And you really backing up. He's like, all right.
[24:12] Speaker 1: But he ain't coming off thinking three first.
[24:15] Speaker 2: The size. SGA size is great. Like 6'5 down there.
[24:21] Speaker 2: 6'7 with his shoes on. I mean, yeah, 6'7.
[24:25] Speaker 3: SGA done his job this series besides the rest of
[24:27] Speaker 3: the team.
[24:28] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[24:28] Speaker 3: Getting it done on both sides of the ball. Obviously,
[24:30] Speaker 3: McKinnon on Joker. He had the three straight games under 40% snap.
[24:33] Speaker 3: That was 17 for 25 from the field in this game.
[24:35] Speaker 3: Thunder bench has outscored the Nuggets bench 57 to 18
[24:39] Speaker 3: the past two games.
[24:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[24:42] Speaker 3: So, how vital has the Thunder supporting cast been in
[24:45] Speaker 3: this series? We had SGA's pops here in the arena
[24:48] Speaker 3: a little while back. And he just talked about the
[24:50] Speaker 3: team being young. Jalen Williams being an all-star for the
[24:51] Speaker 3: first year, but still making progress. Bounced back from an off-shooting,
[24:55] Speaker 3: like I said, in the previous game to come through here.
[24:58] Speaker 3: do his job, but it seems like this crew just
[25:00] Speaker 3: has a nice mix of some vets with Hardenstein, Caruso,
[25:03] Speaker 3: and that guy, but the young guys too are now
[25:05] Speaker 3: stepping up and getting it done.
[25:09] Speaker 2: It's their confidence, man.
[25:10] Speaker 4: They've been, for the most part, had the same core
[25:15] Speaker 4: for the last couple years, right? And the disappointment of
[25:19] Speaker 4: the way the season ended last year, they use it
[25:22] Speaker 4: as fuel. They all got in the lab, realized we
[25:25] Speaker 4: got to get better. all aspects of this, and I
[25:29] Speaker 4: think they did. They was coming out and hooping, man,
[25:33] Speaker 4: and the bench guys, they relied on them, and they
[25:36] Speaker 4: got to play a lot during the regular season because
[25:38] Speaker 4: they were blowing teams out, right? So their confidence not
[25:44] Speaker 4: going to be wavered, and he's still playing his guys, right?
[25:47] Speaker 4: It's not like he's played them during the regular season,
[25:51] Speaker 4: playoff start, and they're like, I'm only playing seven of y'all. Like,
[25:56] Speaker 4: That ain't how we got here. We didn't get here
[25:59] Speaker 4: playing seven, eight guys. We got here playing the guys
[26:03] Speaker 4: that we spent this draft capital that we didn't accumulate
[26:06] Speaker 4: over these years. We got here with all of this.
[26:10] Speaker 4: We know who our stars are and who our all-stars are.
[26:12] Speaker 1: We know that.
[26:14] Speaker 4: But the rest of these guys are really good because
[26:15] Speaker 4: we scouted them and we've done our homework on them
[26:18] Speaker 4: and we know they can play. So we're going to
[26:20] Speaker 4: utilize their talent and each one of those guys play
[26:24] Speaker 4: to their strengths.
[26:26] Speaker 2: To come collectively to be where they are.
[26:33] Speaker 1: What's so funny is you can see the game playing
[26:35] Speaker 1: from a mile away. When Yogi's just posting up on
[26:38] Speaker 1: the right side, right, where he's trying to go middle
[26:42] Speaker 1: with his left shoulder, and they're forcing him to go
[26:45] Speaker 1: baseline because they're snapping back on the baseline. The guy
[26:51] Speaker 1: whose man is snapping back, you don't know where to
[26:55] Speaker 1: go You don't know where to go at this point?
[27:04] Speaker 1: Are you that stupid where they're pushing me to go
[27:07] Speaker 1: back this way? And you probably still all the way
[27:10] Speaker 1: in that corner, huh?
[27:11] Speaker 2: Just sitting in the.
[27:12] Speaker 1: Corner like I could pass through the fucking rim, the baseline,
[27:14] Speaker 1: the referee, and this man.
[27:16] Speaker 9: Huh?
[27:17] Speaker 2: You think I'm a fucking wizard? Yes.
[27:20] Speaker 1: You think I'm Joker, ain't it? God, I know what's the.
[27:24] Speaker 2: Cut back doors.
[27:24] Speaker 1: Call you the Joker, don't you? Oh, that's crazy. If
[27:26] Speaker 1: your man snap back, you follow, come back out this way,
[27:29] Speaker 1: so when I turn and your man start right there,
[27:31] Speaker 1: I can just give.
[27:31] Speaker 2: You the ball right here. Shoot this little shot. I
[27:33] Speaker 2: got a double.
[27:34] Speaker 1: I got... Double pick.
[27:36] Speaker 2: God damn it.
[27:36] Speaker 1: Like, you sitting all the way. I got to throw
[27:39] Speaker 1: a damn bowling ball that don't touch the floor. I
[27:42] Speaker 1: got to throw it in the air for it to
[27:44] Speaker 1: get through. Like, what kind of basketball? Do y'all not
[27:48] Speaker 1: watch film? Like, have y'all not played with adults when
[27:52] Speaker 1: you was little? Like, your man is snapping back to
[27:58] Speaker 1: double him when he goes back baseline, and not one
[28:02] Speaker 1: of y'all said, when your man snap back and stay,
[28:05] Speaker 1: run back, go back the same way. If your man
[28:08] Speaker 1: snap back middle, come back. Get the hand, like... This
[28:15] Speaker 1: is the craziest shit that I've seen. I'm sitting here like...
[28:20] Speaker 1: They are pushing him to make him go back towards...
[28:26] Speaker 1: The baseline, every single time. They're overplaying it at this point.
[28:31] Speaker 1: They want him to left jump hook. They want him
[28:34] Speaker 1: to do that. The one he made.
[28:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, the way he did it.
[28:37] Speaker 4: That's a tough-ass shot. And they came, he stepped through
[28:41] Speaker 4: on one.
[28:41] Speaker 2: Stepped through, yeah.
[28:42] Speaker 1: And one. It went too wide. It went too, and one.
[28:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, and one.
[28:45] Speaker 4: Then the other one, the left-hand jump hook. That's a tough, listen, man.
[28:49] Speaker 2: And even if you cut back door, you... The other guy.
[28:53] Speaker 4: The wing cut.
[28:54] Speaker 2: The wing, yeah.
[28:55] Speaker 1: Listen, man.
[28:55] Speaker 4: Dude, somebody got to guard him. He going to pass
[28:58] Speaker 4: it to him.
[29:00] Speaker 2: It's just weird.
[29:01] Speaker 1: The person that's over here, he's just sitting there in
[29:03] Speaker 1: no man's land.
[29:05] Speaker 4: They make it so hard for that man, dog.
[29:08] Speaker 3: Let's talk Yokes. Yokes broke out of a shooting slump.
[29:11] Speaker 3: Another MFU game. Wasn't enough to get the win. Seventh
[29:14] Speaker 3: career 40-point game in the playoffs. Nuggets are two and five.
[29:19] Speaker 3: in those games.
[29:20] Speaker 1: So what more does Jokers need to do to will
[29:21] Speaker 1: his team to victory and avoid getting eliminated in the
[29:24] Speaker 1: second round for the second straight season?
[29:27] Speaker 2: Say that again now?
[29:28] Speaker 3: So what more does Joker need to do to will
[29:30] Speaker 3: his team to victory to avoid getting eliminated in the
[29:33] Speaker 3: second round for the second straight season? I don't think much.
[29:35] Speaker 3: Clone himself?
[29:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, or try to have two more of him out there,
[29:41] Speaker 2: something like that.
[29:42] Speaker 4: Clone himself?
[29:43] Speaker 3: I mean, 25 shots in the game, Jamal Murray 27 shots,
[29:46] Speaker 3: 10 of 27.
[29:47] Speaker 2: I think it's just up to his teammates. It ain't him.
[29:50] Speaker 2: I mean, we know what he going to do. So
[29:53] Speaker 2: it's up to other guys stepping up.
[29:56] Speaker 4: So he missed eight shots, Jamal Murray missed 17 shots.
[29:58] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Jamal, he got a.
[30:03] Speaker 1: Hey, I feel you, brother. You got a hound dog
[30:07] Speaker 1: on you, brother. You got a... That motherfucker's a hound dog.
[30:10] Speaker 1: You got to get him up off you, right? Like,
[30:13] Speaker 1: I don't... Listen.
[30:16] Speaker 2: Lou Dort.
[30:17] Speaker 1: Brother, he's on you. The Dortcher Chamber, as they call him.
[30:22] Speaker 1: You ain't pushing him off and doing all that little
[30:24] Speaker 1: elbow shit. Nah, so you... You got to, like... I
[30:29] Speaker 1: know you want to set the pick and roll with
[30:32] Speaker 1: with Jokic. Now, fuck all that. That's not this series.
[30:36] Speaker 1: You need them to switch. That's the one person you don't.
[30:41] Speaker 1: Get a Caruso on you. Get a James Williams. I
[30:45] Speaker 1: don't want the big black, you know, big black. He
[30:49] Speaker 1: looked like he wrestled alligators growing up. You don't want
[30:52] Speaker 1: him on you, bro. That's what he's in the game for.
[30:55] Speaker 2: They all play defense.
[30:56] Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:57] Speaker 1: But this is different. This is different.
[30:59] Speaker 2: It's brute. He plays brute defense.
[31:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. Give me the headband. Give me the headband white
[31:06] Speaker 1: man hustle defense. I'll take that.
[31:08] Speaker 2: The tennis player?
[31:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, he run right into you. He going to do
[31:10] Speaker 1: some dumb shit. I don't want this one. This one
[31:12] Speaker 1: too disciplined. He going to dive on the floor. He
[31:15] Speaker 1: doing all that extra shit. He be like, come on, dog.
[31:17] Speaker 1: Get him off you. And when you're doing a pick
[31:20] Speaker 1: and roll with Jokic, he ain't leaving. Get him to
[31:22] Speaker 1: where you know they have to switch.
[31:25] Speaker 2: Man, you better run that boy around.
[31:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[31:27] Speaker 4: Do something different. You better run him the fucking way. Yeah,
[31:31] Speaker 4: you better run him off a triple. It ain't going
[31:33] Speaker 4: to get back to him. A triple this way and
[31:35] Speaker 4: a triple back there.
[31:37] Speaker 7: The ball ain't going to get back to him.
[31:39] Speaker 2: The ball ain't going to get back to him. It's okay.
[31:41] Speaker 1: Beep, beep, beep. Let him hit one of them. Beep, beep, beep.
[31:43] Speaker 1: The ball don't move like that no more. That's what
[31:45] Speaker 1: I'm saying. But you got to do something to get
[31:46] Speaker 1: that boy out of this because he is not deviating.
[31:50] Speaker 1: It just looks rough. He's too strong for you, bro.
[31:56] Speaker 1: You don't have the foot speed.
[31:57] Speaker 4: You don't have the height advantage. Most guys that do
[32:01] Speaker 4: all that shit, they're taller than him. You don't have
[32:06] Speaker 4: that advantage.
[32:07] Speaker 2: That's probably their game plan, though. To get him to
[32:10] Speaker 2: get Murray. He's making tough-ass shots, that boy.
[32:13] Speaker 1: You're so used to doing a pick-and-roll, and they kind of, like,
[32:15] Speaker 1: switch it. Or Jokic, because Jokic got his body. He
[32:19] Speaker 1: running around and running through that, and it's like, yeah.
[32:22] Speaker 4: He's refusing to get picked. So, yeah, no. Yo, Chet
[32:30] Speaker 4: made some huge blocks in the fourth quarter, too.
[32:33] Speaker 2: It's easy, man. Yeah, some huge blocks at the rim.
[32:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, though.
[32:37] Speaker 2: In the fourth quarter. I think they're going to have
[32:40] Speaker 2: to focus on... Happy for Chet, man. He likes Jamaica, man.
[32:45] Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon, at this point, it's like, that's what they
[32:49] Speaker 1: need to run, man. It's just four or five pick
[32:51] Speaker 1: and rolls, see if you can get them to get confused.
[32:56] Speaker 4: They don't run, they do it, but they just don't.
[33:00] Speaker 4: The whole Sacramento shit, man. A lot of splits coming together, man.
[33:03] Speaker 4: I'm going to try to make y'all make.
[33:05] Speaker 1: A mistake, man.
[33:06] Speaker 2: It's not like they would know how to play it.
[33:12] Speaker 1: Because you have Jokic who's smart enough to understand that.
[33:15] Speaker 1: pass it to the post, and then you have just
[33:19] Speaker 1: two come together and start diving and handing off. You
[33:23] Speaker 1: have that offense. That's hard to call. Mike, Bibby, and
[33:27] Speaker 1: Paige are coming together. Good luck. Good luck. Bobby Jackson,
[33:33] Speaker 1: good luck. And that's where MPJ comes in now.
[33:37] Speaker 4: Because he's 6'10.
[33:38] Speaker 1: Because now we're going to come and you already pre- MPJ,
[33:42] Speaker 1: you're going to be the dive guy. Yes.
[33:44] Speaker 9: Okay?
[33:44] Speaker 1: Yes.
[33:44] Speaker 2: You're going to be the dive guy. And if I'm
[33:47] Speaker 2: not going to.
[33:47] Speaker 1: Use you, I'm going to put you first shooter, and
[33:50] Speaker 1: then we're going to have Aaron Gordon. You come, and
[33:53] Speaker 1: when you dive, his man is going to try to help.
[33:55] Speaker 1: That's where you get your open shot.
[33:57] Speaker 2: Yes, man.
[33:58] Speaker 1: It's dog.
[33:59] Speaker 2: I remember that.
[34:00] Speaker 4: Especially held guard, dog.
[34:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.
[34:02] Speaker 4: Especially held guard. I'm trying to tell you. I seen
[34:05] Speaker 4: Jokic do one.
[34:06] Speaker 1: He got the ball, and he was getting ready to
[34:08] Speaker 1: swing it, and it was Christian Brown wide open. That
[34:10] Speaker 1: man just dribbled hand to come and just move, dog.
[34:14] Speaker 2: But you can see he's frustrated out there. Yeah.
[34:16] Speaker 1: Because it's not that simple. And that's a great shot.
[34:21] Speaker 1: The best shooter on your team at this point, who's
[34:23] Speaker 1: supposed to be the best shooter, is having a horrible
[34:24] Speaker 1: go at it. So everybody else is like.
[34:28] Speaker 2: They missed out with KCB.
[34:29] Speaker 1: He tried.
[34:31] Speaker 3: Let's talk about two MVP finalists real quick. So for
[34:33] Speaker 3: the series, Joker averaging 30 points, 15 rebounds, 5 assists.
[34:37] Speaker 3: SGA averaging 28, 8 rebounds, 7 assists. Who's looked like
[34:42] Speaker 3: the real MVP so far in this series, Joker or SGA?
[34:47] Speaker 7: I'm going to go with SGA just because he's been consistent.
[34:52] Speaker 7: He's been just doing the same thing. Is that based
[34:56] Speaker 7: on team success? Does that weigh in on your– No,
[34:59] Speaker 7: I'm just looking at him being poised, not getting rattled.
[35:02] Speaker 7: You know, if it doesn't work this game, we're going
[35:03] Speaker 7: to come back and still do it again. And I
[35:06] Speaker 7: just think he's just getting whatever he wants.
[35:10] Speaker 4: So he's shot under what? 40% for games two through five.
[35:17] Speaker 4: And averaging what again?
[35:19] Speaker 2: 30, 15, and five. 30, 15, and five.
[35:22] Speaker 3: Haven't played well. I'm averaging 30, 15, and five. Game one,
[35:29] Speaker 3: game five, had those two big games in between. Still,
[35:32] Speaker 3: 27 to 13. And I haven't played well. And we
[35:37] Speaker 3: got two games out of it.
[35:41] Speaker 2: What was Shea's?
[35:42] Speaker 4: 28, 8, and 7. Which is great numbers.
[35:49] Speaker 1: I mean, he's getting more team help in a sense
[35:52] Speaker 1: where he's four points down from what he does in
[35:55] Speaker 1: regular season on the scoring part. But, you know, you
[36:00] Speaker 1: have other guys stepping up, and Jokic's production on points
[36:04] Speaker 1: and rebounds has gone.
[36:05] Speaker 2: Up, assists have gone down, but we can see why.
[36:07] Speaker 1: Motherfuckers can't shoot. So, you know, if we're not adding
[36:14] Speaker 1: our team wins and it's just them two, we always
[36:17] Speaker 1: compare when we get to the playoffs, what is your production?
[36:21] Speaker 2: You're playing against two seven-footers. I mean, you're both, you know,
[36:25] Speaker 2: they're both.
[36:25] Speaker 1: Doing what they're supposed to be doing to– One had
[36:29] Speaker 1: three wins.
[36:29] Speaker 2: The other one had two. 49.5.
[36:32] Speaker 1: I'm going to go with Jokic. I mean, it was
[36:42] Speaker 1: a 50.5. 50.5 to 49.5. Yeah. You got Jokic so far.
[36:47] Speaker 3: I mean, but it's really just exposing kind of what
[36:49] Speaker 3: we've talked about throughout the season with this Nugget squad.
[36:52] Speaker 3: They run it back with this crew. Obviously, minus KCP,
[36:54] Speaker 3: who's now gone, but They both have big, big flaws.
[36:58] Speaker 3: And I don't know why Denver is running a 2-3.
[36:59] Speaker 3: Their best players are attacking the top.
[37:00] Speaker 2: Go 1-2-2.
[37:00] Speaker 1: Just go a 3-2, 1-2-2. Guard it like that.
[37:04] Speaker 2: Where when Shea is sitting here.
[37:26] Speaker 1: Because he's very good at going high and then coming
[37:31] Speaker 1: back quick low, right or left. So when he bounces
[37:34] Speaker 1: high and then comes back, he knows how to dip
[37:36] Speaker 1: his shoulder and get around. So you want another guy there.
[37:41] Speaker 1: If he's sitting here on the left and this guy
[37:43] Speaker 1: is guarding him and the next defense is there for
[37:45] Speaker 1: the 2-3 and he's sitting here and coming back, there's
[37:48] Speaker 1: nobody on this side. So you want the first guy
[37:51] Speaker 1: to pick him up and then these two at the
[37:53] Speaker 1: elbow for him.
[37:55] Speaker 2: Let them sit there and chuck threes.
[37:57] Speaker 1: The one person you want to stop first is the
[37:59] Speaker 1: guy who loves playing one-on-one and attacking the middle. And
[38:03] Speaker 1: then you will stop him and Jaden from trying to
[38:06] Speaker 1: get into the middle of the lane. And let Jokic
[38:09] Speaker 1: play on the bottom. Run a one-one-three or some shit. Yeah,
[38:13] Speaker 1: you got to play for him driving the top of
[38:15] Speaker 1: the key.
[38:15] Speaker 4: That's what three is about. They're trying to drive it
[38:18] Speaker 4: or get the ball. They're trying to make that pass,
[38:20] Speaker 4: get the ball in the middle of the fourth shot.
[38:21] Speaker 2: Or go man.
[38:22] Speaker 8: So.
[38:23] Speaker 4: Because most rules are in zone. The ball gets to
[38:26] Speaker 4: the middle of the zone, you go man. Those are
[38:29] Speaker 4: the rules mostly. So you put somebody in front of
[38:31] Speaker 4: him and behind him and make it.
[38:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. They need to do something.
[38:35] Speaker 1: Because you're playing zone for a reason.
[38:38] Speaker 2: I don't know at this point. Just do something different. Yeah,
[38:41] Speaker 2: you got to figure something out. Something different.
[38:42] Speaker 1: What's so funny is I remember we was playing. You
[38:44] Speaker 1: ain't got to play too hard. My first playoff experience,
[38:47] Speaker 1: we were playing Chicago. We started off at a 2-3, right?
[38:52] Speaker 1: Whooped our ass in a 2-3. We went to 3-2.
[38:56] Speaker 1: Same shit, just we're going to switch this one with
[38:59] Speaker 1: the top. Deny that.
[39:01] Speaker 2: That was it.
[39:03] Speaker 1: Four straight.
[39:03] Speaker 2: They didn't know what to do.
[39:04] Speaker 1: They were so used to the whole offense was designed
[39:07] Speaker 1: off of a 2-3. When we ran a 3-2 on it,
[39:10] Speaker 1: they didn't actually know how to run their offense anymore.
[39:13] Speaker 2: So, you know what I mean?
[39:14] Speaker 1: Like, when you're looking at it, like, it's not like
[39:17] Speaker 1: OKC has zone. These teams ain't preparing zone offense breakers.
[39:24] Speaker 5: Right?
[39:24] Speaker 1: They're playing fucking five out. So they're going to play
[39:27] Speaker 1: five out, play the 1-2-2.
[39:29] Speaker 4: Because what they say is, yo, we can just run
[39:31] Speaker 4: our man stuff against zone.
[39:32] Speaker 2: Yeah. That's what the fuck they say.
[39:35] Speaker 1: But if you go 1-2-2, you can still put a
[39:38] Speaker 1: guy right here, right? Where?
[39:39] Speaker 7: So one guy up top and two guys on the elbow.
[39:42] Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
[39:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, I can still do a high pick and roll. Yeah,
[39:45] Speaker 2: I'm going to switch it. I'm going to switch it
[39:47] Speaker 2: with the guy at the elbow.
[39:48] Speaker 4: On a 2-2, 2-2-1. Yeah.
[39:50] Speaker 2: A high 2-2-1.
[39:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I said.
[39:53] Speaker 2: I'm just going to let you sit there and throw
[39:54] Speaker 2: it to the corner. Because you've got to remember, Harkinstein
[39:57] Speaker 2: is out there, too.
[39:58] Speaker 1: And for him, he's going to have to sit on
[40:02] Speaker 1: the block.
[40:03] Speaker 2: So that means, what, he's going to float to the three? Okay.
[40:06] Speaker 2: His name is Harkinstein, ladies and gentlemen. Here in the arena.
[40:10] Speaker 2: Presented by Underdog. What is his last name? Hartenstein, but
[40:13] Speaker 2: we call him Hartenstein. Hartenstein, Hartenstein, Hartenstein.
[40:15] Speaker 1: The same motherfucker with the left-hand floater, right? So if
[40:20] Speaker 1: 40 shots go to him, God almighty.
[40:23] Speaker 2: Do your thing. But other than that, I'm just going
[40:25] Speaker 2: to one, two, two, stop him.
[40:26] Speaker 4: Not that shot because he shoot 80%.
[40:29] Speaker 1: Huh?
[40:29] Speaker 4: He shoot 80% on that shit, so you don't want
[40:30] Speaker 4: him shooting that one.
[40:32] Speaker 2: That's weird. He shoot 80% on that motherfucker.
[40:33] Speaker 1: No, that's... But he's going to have to pop out
[40:36] Speaker 1: because we're going to have a guy sitting. I dig it.
[40:38] Speaker 1: So we're going to load on that side. So then
[40:40] Speaker 1: you're going to have to try to do what? An overload?
[40:42] Speaker 1: There ain't been practice in overload basketball where we're just
[40:46] Speaker 1: going to pick on one side.
[40:47] Speaker 2: SGA too good.
[40:49] Speaker 1: Huh?
[40:49] Speaker 2: SGA's just too good. You would think. You're saying? You
[40:56] Speaker 2: would think. I don't think he's going to ever get rattled.
[41:00] Speaker 1: It ain't about him getting rattled. He's smart enough to
[41:03] Speaker 1: see what they're doing. And it's just like when they
[41:05] Speaker 1: put the zone in, we was like, all right, we have...
[41:08] Speaker 1: Steve Nash and we have Rajah Bell over there. We're
[41:13] Speaker 1: just going to run our offense over here. We're still
[41:15] Speaker 1: going to pick on Steve Nash and his lack of
[41:18] Speaker 1: defense and stay away from Rajah Bell manipulating it.
[41:24] Speaker 4: SJ is really good. These guys are really good. What
[41:29] Speaker 4: doesn't happen is teams, they are not consistent in the
[41:35] Speaker 4: way they.
[41:37] Speaker 2: They're not consistent. All right. In no world.
[41:47] Speaker 4: If. That you don't put two on him at all costs.
[41:53] Speaker 4: Any pick and roll that shade trap. Every time man.
[41:59] Speaker 4: He would never see a one-on-one pick and roll. I'm
[42:03] Speaker 4: never switching it with him. Not one time if he
[42:07] Speaker 4: ran a pick and roll and we said, no, he's
[42:12] Speaker 4: never seen one. If two come together, we're putting two
[42:16] Speaker 4: on him. Every time that he runs this, he would
[42:19] Speaker 4: never run a pick and roll. If I had to
[42:24] Speaker 4: come up with a game plan to defend him in
[42:26] Speaker 4: a playoff series, that's one play that.
[42:30] Speaker 2: He would never run.
[42:32] Speaker 4: Because I will double-team him every single time.
[42:40] Speaker 2: They don't even harsh show anymore.
[42:42] Speaker 1: Even that part.
[42:43] Speaker 2: I'll guard him like a Steph off a pick and roll.
[42:46] Speaker 2: Guard him like a Steph.
[42:47] Speaker 1: They don't even double-team him every time.
[42:49] Speaker 2: I will guard him like he's SJ.
[42:51] Speaker 4: And that's how crazy these fucking people are. They don't
[42:54] Speaker 4: even double-team Steph every.
[42:55] Speaker 2: Time in the pick and roll.
[42:57] Speaker 4: So.
[42:58] Speaker 1: They're so scared of rotation.
[43:02] Speaker 2: The ball will find whoever we want it to find.
[43:04] Speaker 1: They're so scared of getting in rotation and don't realize
[43:09] Speaker 1: there's guys that are gifted in this shit. These Max players,
[43:16] Speaker 1: they are gifted at what they do. So if the
[43:22] Speaker 1: best defender starts on him and he does the pick
[43:24] Speaker 1: and roll to get a worse defender on him, No. Double.
[43:31] Speaker 1: Every time.
[43:32] Speaker 2: Every fucking time.
[43:33] Speaker 1: Double every time. Just double every time.
[43:37] Speaker 2: Like, that is... If I can get the worst.
[43:40] Speaker 1: If I can get the best defender off me every time,
[43:42] Speaker 1: I'm going to do the same pick and roll every time.
[43:44] Speaker 1: These motherfuckers said... And I was like, why are y'all
[43:47] Speaker 1: setting guard to guard, then big pick and roll?
[43:49] Speaker 2: Yes.
[43:50] Speaker 1: To switch and switch.
[43:52] Speaker 2: Yes.
[43:53] Speaker 1: Switch, switch, switch. Like that's a waste of my time.
[43:56] Speaker 1: Get your little ass up out of here. Because if
[43:58] Speaker 1: this is who I want, I don't need you, big.
[44:01] Speaker 1: And if I want the big on me, I don't
[44:02] Speaker 1: need your guard.
[44:03] Speaker 2: You're complicating it all.
[44:05] Speaker 1: Now I got to rush the shot clock down.
[44:07] Speaker 2: One of you motherfuckers just come up here.
[44:10] Speaker 1: Which one I want? You.
[44:14] Speaker 4: Should Nicola look down there?
[44:17] Speaker 2: I want him.
[44:18] Speaker 1: They got the weirdest double drags I've ever seen. What
[44:21] Speaker 1: happened to the two big double drags? The four or
[44:23] Speaker 1: five double drags. That's what you are coming. I got
[44:27] Speaker 1: you guard over here. You guard Harkin Stein in chat.
[44:30] Speaker 2: Let's go.
[44:30] Speaker 1: They got the phone. I got the four and five.
[44:33] Speaker 1: They're not going to do nothing because I guess I
[44:35] Speaker 1: you're going to you're going to drop it. You're going
[44:37] Speaker 1: to roll every single time. Okay, for you to first
[44:40] Speaker 1: or the second one. Every one and then sometimes a
[44:44] Speaker 1: every third one slip that bitch run hard slip it then.
[44:47] Speaker 8: Yes.
[44:49] Speaker 1: I'm going to throw it to him, and he's going
[44:50] Speaker 1: to throw it to you. Lou Dort, you sit in
[44:52] Speaker 1: that corner.
[44:53] Speaker 4: I'm going to throw it to the wing. He's going
[44:55] Speaker 4: to wing a corner. One of y'all is going to
[44:57] Speaker 4: get it to him. If they rotate, if they pre-rotate,
[44:59] Speaker 4: you'll get a wide-open shot.
[45:00] Speaker 2: Every time. I remember that. Every time.
[45:03] Speaker 4: It's lovely. We didn't deviate, dog. If certain guys we knew, right?
[45:12] Speaker 4: He's very aggressive, man. We're putting two on you. I
[45:17] Speaker 4: got tired of watching Kobe play one-on-one. We had the
[45:18] Speaker 4: game plan. Listen, dog, we came out of a timeout. Hey, dog,
[45:22] Speaker 4: this is what's going to happen.
[45:23] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[45:24] Speaker 4: They throw him the ball. I don't care where he at.
[45:27] Speaker 4: I'm running at him. Get the fuck where he is. Y'all,
[45:32] Speaker 4: I said it already, right? So y'all know, I don't
[45:35] Speaker 4: care where he is. They throw the ball to Kobe.
[45:39] Speaker 4: I'm running at him.
[45:40] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
[45:42] Speaker 1: Hey, here I come. Yes. Yes. He know it now. Hey,
[45:46] Speaker 1: that's it.
[45:46] Speaker 2: I'm going to do it every time.
[45:49] Speaker 4: So just so I'm going to put it on your
[45:50] Speaker 4: mind that you're not going to play for the rest
[45:52] Speaker 4: of the half.
[45:52] Speaker 1: Y'all going to have to be fucking creative to get
[45:54] Speaker 1: him the ball. When I go out of the game,
[45:56] Speaker 1: he's going to go the fuck off because y'all ain't
[45:58] Speaker 1: nobody else going to do it.
[45:59] Speaker 4: But right now, this is what's going to happen, man.
[46:02] Speaker 4: I'm not going to keep watching this guy that averaged
[46:05] Speaker 4: 33 in the regular season.
[46:07] Speaker 1: He continues to play one-on-one basketball. Just not going to happen.
[46:13] Speaker 1: They have stats, right? It just seems like in the
[46:19] Speaker 1: era of technology.
[46:21] Speaker 2: In the era of technology.
[46:22] Speaker 1: It's like their information is 1996. Let me ask.
[46:26] Speaker 2: You a question.
[46:27] Speaker 1: There's no film to see what this motherfucker do.
[46:31] Speaker 4: I'm going to ask you a question. How many guys
[46:33] Speaker 4: worked in your film room when you came in?
[46:37] Speaker 9: Two.
[46:37] Speaker 2: Two.
[46:38] Speaker 1: Right?
[46:38] Speaker 4: Michael Connelly. An intern or some shit, right?
[46:41] Speaker 2: An intern.
[46:43] Speaker 1: Nowadays.
[46:44] Speaker 4: Connelly. Connelly, yeah. Nowadays, how many fucking people you think
[46:48] Speaker 4: you got working in that goddamn film room?
[46:51] Speaker 2: I see everybody with an iPad.
[46:52] Speaker 4: Everybody and their mom got an iPad behind that motherfucking
[46:55] Speaker 4: bench looking at something different. And nobody can come up
[46:58] Speaker 4: with a game plan on nothing. I'm watching the game.
[47:05] Speaker 4: I'm watching the game in real time.
[47:07] Speaker 1: Like, yo, he keeps snapping back. Come out the backside.
[47:10] Speaker 2: Shit, the film guy ended up being the GM.
[47:13] Speaker 1: Come out the backside.
[47:14] Speaker 2: Or, I'm just saying, back in our day.
[47:16] Speaker 4: Yes.
[47:17] Speaker 1: You ain't got no trick play like the double square. Like,
[47:20] Speaker 1: you know this is coming.
[47:22] Speaker 4: Because he's watching all the film, right?
[47:23] Speaker 1: What happened to the big pick the picker run?
[47:27] Speaker 4: He's giving them the information. The guy in the film
[47:29] Speaker 4: room is giving the coaches and everybody all the information.
[47:32] Speaker 4: He watches all the film.
[47:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[47:34] Speaker 4: The guy, they're breaking all the film down and they
[47:37] Speaker 4: send it. Now it's just a link they hit. They
[47:39] Speaker 4: got iPad or computer. They send you the link. This
[47:42] Speaker 4: is your scout. These are your players. Everything is... That's
[47:46] Speaker 4: the problem.
[47:47] Speaker 1: Right? All the people that has the film ain't played basketball, basketball. No. Right?
[47:53] Speaker 2: They know how to break film down.
[47:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. They don't know how to play basketball because they've
[47:59] Speaker 1: never done pick the picker and slash and cut and
[48:03] Speaker 1: snap back the baseline. They've never done it to even
[48:07] Speaker 1: tell you what to do. No.
[48:11] Speaker 2: Yo, do you think the game will go back to
[48:12] Speaker 2: the early 2000s?
[48:13] Speaker 1: No. No.
[48:15] Speaker 2: Inside out?
[48:18] Speaker 1: No, not inside out. No. Early 2000s is winning in
[48:23] Speaker 1: the playoffs right now. Yes. Shea is early 2000 basketball.
[48:28] Speaker 1: He's taking the fucking advantage.
[48:30] Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson. Of them.
[48:31] Speaker 1: And Jalen Brunson is playing 2000 basketball. Okay.
[48:36] Speaker 2: Mikael Bridges, 2000.
[48:38] Speaker 1: All the super. There's only one player or two now
[48:41] Speaker 1: with Ant-Man. There's only one player who literally his game
[48:45] Speaker 1: was threes. That was Steph. The rest of y'all are
[48:49] Speaker 1: not Steph. It was like when Magic came. And then
[48:52] Speaker 1: everybody's sitting there trying to get six nine-point guards.
[48:56] Speaker 2: Like they just... You can't create.
[48:57] Speaker 1: A local round. You can't create your team off unicorns.
[49:03] Speaker 1: You can't create your teams off of unicorn players. And
[49:08] Speaker 1: that's what ends up happening in basketball. Like, I don't
[49:10] Speaker 1: give a fuck if I have someone who looks like
[49:12] Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. He ain't Kevin Durant. So I'm not going
[49:15] Speaker 1: to be doing Kevin Durant shit with him. Yeah, he's
[49:19] Speaker 1: the broke man Kevin Durant. Y'all need to stop that
[49:21] Speaker 1: broke man. Poor man shit, yeah. Because that's confusing. Like, oh, yeah,
[49:25] Speaker 1: you're just going to do what we're going to do here. Like, no,
[49:29] Speaker 1: that's not how the game is. I don't give a
[49:31] Speaker 1: fuck if I got somebody. Giannis is Giannis. Jokic is Jokic.
[49:34] Speaker 1: We leave it like that. We're not going to create...
[49:37] Speaker 1: our system on something they do if we don't have
[49:40] Speaker 1: that person.
[49:42] Speaker 4: If he walking this bitch, yeah, cool.
[49:46] Speaker 1: Like I see, like, Sangoon. Sangoon is not Jokic.
[49:49] Speaker 2: They do call him Baby Jokic. He's not Baby Jokic.
[49:52] Speaker 2: He's not. They're two different type of games.
[49:55] Speaker 1: Right? Just because they know how to pass. He knows
[49:57] Speaker 1: how to pass a little bit. He is not equipped
[50:00] Speaker 1: with the same skill set Jokic has.
[50:04] Speaker 2: They don't have the same bag. But it's a copycat league, though.
[50:07] Speaker 7: So, like, you know, like you just said, there's two
[50:08] Speaker 7: players right now that's playing early 2000s basketball. I mean,
[50:12] Speaker 7: I feel like all the teams now that's left, you know, besides, well,
[50:16] Speaker 7: I mean, the Wolves will win.
[50:18] Speaker 2: You know, they still shoot a lot.
[50:19] Speaker 5: But.
[50:20] Speaker 7: Everybody else, like, they kind of play inside. Like, you know,
[50:23] Speaker 7: like all the, so you don't really see it, like, changing. Because,
[50:27] Speaker 7: you know, once teams see, oh, this team won it
[50:29] Speaker 7: this way, you know, the league.
[50:30] Speaker 2: Start taking notes. You don't think it'll go back to, like.
[50:32] Speaker 1: Play to your strengths, right? Whatever the fuck your team is,
[50:36] Speaker 1: play to that.
[50:36] Speaker 7: I know, but I'm saying a lot of these teams
[50:38] Speaker 7: aren't playing to their strengths because they're just shooting threes.
[50:40] Speaker 4: That is absolutely. So it doesn't matter if when Philly
[50:47] Speaker 4: is healthy, right? And they just make a conscious effort
[50:53] Speaker 4: that 50 times, 60 times a game, Joel Embiid will
[50:59] Speaker 4: get this motherfucking ball within 12 feet of the basket.
[51:04] Speaker 4: A conscious effort to throw him the ball on duck ends, turnouts,
[51:10] Speaker 4: back screens, throw him the ball closer. There's nothing no
[51:15] Speaker 4: one will be able to do with.
[51:17] Speaker 1: Right?
[51:17] Speaker 4: Now you got to start game plan like, well, shit.
[51:21] Speaker 4: But don't nobody else really fit that.
[51:26] Speaker 1: You could.
[51:26] Speaker 2: Jokic? Yes, but he.
[51:29] Speaker 1: Yeah. They're having a problem with that motherfucker now.
[51:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, because they're trying to.
[51:36] Speaker 4: Joel Embiid is much better offensively than Nikola Jokic. Just
[51:42] Speaker 4: his footwork and everything. Nikola's great at what he does, but.
[51:46] Speaker 4: Joel a different animal when he want like if he
[51:49] Speaker 4: shared the field he put that shit to work dog
[51:54] Speaker 4: motherfucker problem.
[51:57] Speaker 1: That's a problem a fucking issue it was so easy
[52:01] Speaker 1: for him he never had the habits of I remember
[52:11] Speaker 1: like if you ever heard Kobe back in the day
[52:13] Speaker 1: and you know I'm not playing against anybody in this era.
[52:19] Speaker 1: I'm chasing that. I think if Embiid's mindset was this
[52:27] Speaker 1: realm of basketball players is not on my level. Not
[52:30] Speaker 1: at all. I'm chasing the Wilks, the Kareems, the Shaqs.
[52:34] Speaker 1: And he focuses on that list.
[52:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[52:36] Speaker 1: I think his motor changes. I think he plays against
[52:39] Speaker 1: these guys and this shit is.
[52:41] Speaker 2: So easy for him.
[52:43] Speaker 1: He doesn't... He doesn't try to tap into none of
[52:47] Speaker 1: his greatness. I don't think he realizes how fucking good
[52:53] Speaker 1: he could be. Like, he's probably one of the only
[52:57] Speaker 1: people that literally can average 40 without blinking.
[53:01] Speaker 4: Like Shea said in the one clip, he said, you
[53:03] Speaker 4: chase the greats, right? You chase this, you chase like
[53:05] Speaker 4: you chase the greats.
[53:09] Speaker 2: Your point. Yes, so.
[53:10] Speaker 7: I don't think anybody's telling him.
[53:13] Speaker 1: He can shoot threes. He can do the mid. He
[53:14] Speaker 1: got the moves. He's a foul baiter. He can literally
[53:18] Speaker 1: average 40. But because it's easy, because he can walk
[53:25] Speaker 1: down there.
[53:26] Speaker 4: He can walk in the gym and score steps.
[53:27] Speaker 1: Didn't he start basketball late? Huh?
[53:31] Speaker 2: I said, didn't he start basketball late?
[53:32] Speaker 7: Yeah, so I don't think his knowledge is kind.
[53:35] Speaker 1: Of like all the way.
[53:36] Speaker 2: Does he have enough by now to? I mean, not.
[53:39] Speaker 1: It's what you want.
[53:42] Speaker 2: What are you striving for?
[53:45] Speaker 1: What is making you wake up every day, get to
[53:49] Speaker 1: the gym, and try to maximize your day?
[53:52] Speaker 4: How about you chase the guy? How about for nothing else?
[53:55] Speaker 1: If you're not going to chase them dudes, why don't
[53:57] Speaker 1: you chase the guy that has three right now? And
[53:59] Speaker 1: that'll be the problem.
[54:00] Speaker 4: That's the thing. How about you chase him?
[54:01] Speaker 1: Right?
[54:02] Speaker 4: You ain't got to chase him.
[54:03] Speaker 1: I just gave him 50. Yeah.
[54:05] Speaker 2: And then that becomes the problem. Yeah.
[54:07] Speaker 1: I gave him 50. And that's like with Giannis. Giannis
[54:11] Speaker 1: chasing something bigger than right here. His motor looks like
[54:16] Speaker 1: he's trying to get better every goddamn. Yes. Right. And
[54:19] Speaker 1: that's and that's and that's, you know.
[54:21] Speaker 2: Even with him, I want him to do this. What
[54:23] Speaker 2: I'm saying, even with him.
[54:26] Speaker 4: Get your ass on the block, man, and make a
[54:30] Speaker 4: conscious effort to throw this freak of nature the ball
[54:35] Speaker 4: close to the basket. Him ducking in on the motherfucker.
[54:43] Speaker 1: Good luck stopping it.
[54:49] Speaker 4: You want to play because all you got to do
[54:52] Speaker 4: is manipulate the fucking play. have him start the motherfucker.
[54:56] Speaker 4: They're going to switch the play, set a back screen,
[54:58] Speaker 4: let him come in, duck the fuck in on the
[55:00] Speaker 4: weak side off the pick. He got a small on
[55:02] Speaker 4: him by now.
[55:08] Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about basketball.
[55:09] Speaker 2: But that's what I said.
[55:10] Speaker 1: I think the game is going to go back to that.
[55:12] Speaker 2: No, man, it ain't.
[55:13] Speaker 1: Because now coaches are going to have to actually coach
[55:17] Speaker 1: and teach basketball again. Okay, that's good.
[55:20] Speaker 2: I mean, that's good.
[55:20] Speaker 1: That whole staff that they done created.
[55:24] Speaker 2: If.
[55:25] Speaker 1: You look on the side of the benches, have you
[55:29] Speaker 1: seen anyone that look like they have manipulated this game
[55:36] Speaker 1: of basketball? I know some people say, man, like there's
[55:41] Speaker 1: one in a few people that would just have straight
[55:44] Speaker 1: basketball knowledge because they put that time in, but for
[55:47] Speaker 1: the most part, Just like the Googles and the big companies, right?
[55:51] Speaker 1: When they say, hey, I bet a million dollars you
[55:54] Speaker 1: can't hack my system. That's just an audition for the
[55:57] Speaker 1: smartest minds out there to say, yeah, I can. I
[56:01] Speaker 1: can't go around looking for you, so I'm going to
[56:03] Speaker 1: put so much money up there.
[56:04] Speaker 2: That I want to see where you're at.
[56:06] Speaker 1: Then I'm going to give you a job.
[56:08] Speaker 4: Right?
[56:08] Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a job. I'm going to
[56:10] Speaker 1: tell my team, hey, hackers is coming. So now they're prepared.
[56:13] Speaker 1: I want to see who the weakest link is here,
[56:15] Speaker 1: and I want to see the strongest person that I
[56:17] Speaker 1: don't know of. It's the same thing in this game.
[56:22] Speaker 1: I need to figure out people who manipulated the game,
[56:25] Speaker 1: and I want them on my staff teaching my players
[56:30] Speaker 1: their basketball knowledge from what they did on that court.
[56:35] Speaker 1: Some people don't know how to watch film. They don't
[56:37] Speaker 1: know what the fuck they're looking.
[56:38] Speaker 2: At in film.
[56:39] Speaker 1: They just back screen it. They don't know what they're
[56:41] Speaker 1: looking at. You can tell.
[56:43] Speaker 2: The ball went in.
[56:43] Speaker 1: They can tell.
[56:45] Speaker 2: Miss shot, make shot.
[56:48] Speaker 1: You can sit there. I'm sitting there just watching like,
[56:52] Speaker 1: how do you keep going for the same fucking play?
[56:55] Speaker 1: The same play. You don't know when, you don't know
[57:00] Speaker 1: like if you're watching Brunson, right? He has a right
[57:03] Speaker 1: side move. He has a left side move. Both the
[57:08] Speaker 1: motherfuckers is lethal, but you should already know what's coming
[57:13] Speaker 1: when he goes left, when he's going right, and you
[57:16] Speaker 1: cut him off, you should know, okay, he's going to
[57:18] Speaker 1: spin back, and when he spins back, he's going to
[57:20] Speaker 1: hit me and bump off. You should have that planted.
[57:24] Speaker 1: Say if he's going left and he comes back, you
[57:28] Speaker 1: should already have a blueprint of what these guys want
[57:33] Speaker 1: to do, and they don't.
[57:36] Speaker 2: They shouldn't. Brunson can do the same move ten times.
[57:39] Speaker 1: They're going to fall for the same up fake ten times.
[57:43] Speaker 2: Right? He come in here, right?
[57:46] Speaker 1: He going to fake like he about to do a
[57:48] Speaker 1: step back.
[57:48] Speaker 2: You going to lean in. He going to go in.
[57:50] Speaker 1: He going to step in. He going to come. And
[57:52] Speaker 1: it's the same like, God damn it. You just fell
[57:55] Speaker 1: for the same move four fucking times.
[57:59] Speaker 2: Do they get scouting reports?
[58:01] Speaker 1: Like, you know them big ass, you know them big ass.
[58:03] Speaker 1: I don't need a scouting report.
[58:04] Speaker 2: I can just watch a game.
[58:05] Speaker 7: But I'm just saying, remember when that shit was written
[58:07] Speaker 7: down and the effort they was.
[58:09] Speaker 4: Yo, they send it to this motherfucker right here.
[58:13] Speaker 2: Right?
[58:14] Speaker 1: Everything is here now with them. Don't send that shit
[58:18] Speaker 1: to my phone.
[58:19] Speaker 4: Everything is here.
[58:20] Speaker 1: We got to get back to the... They need that binder.
[58:23] Speaker 4: We had motherfuckers that didn't read the paper you gave them.
[58:26] Speaker 2: And that came on your seat.
[58:28] Speaker 1: It put it on your seat. That's what I'm saying. No,
[58:32] Speaker 1: imagine you sent it to them. They need that today.
[58:35] Speaker 2: Put that shit on their seat.
[58:36] Speaker 1: Then watch it then. You can put a thousand dollars
[58:41] Speaker 1: on the back of that shit.
[58:42] Speaker 4: Listen, when I was with when I had that cup
[58:45] Speaker 4: of tea with the Bucks, right? J.K., you should quiz
[58:49] Speaker 4: these dudes. There was a quiz after shoot around. I
[58:54] Speaker 4: heard about that.
[58:55] Speaker 1: It was some of it was mixed within the game
[58:58] Speaker 1: plan and the history of the game and certain shit.
[59:01] Speaker 4: It was a test quiz. And they put that shit
[59:04] Speaker 4: in front of me. And you know, what the fuck
[59:06] Speaker 4: I told them. I'm not fucking filling this out.
[59:09] Speaker 1: 15 years in, man.
[59:12] Speaker 4: I know more than everybody that y'all gave that paper to.
[59:16] Speaker 4: I know more than every single one of them. I
[59:19] Speaker 4: was one of the questions. What year was Kenyon drafted?
[59:22] Speaker 4: What pick of some shit?
[59:23] Speaker 2: Had no clue.
[59:23] Speaker 1: No clue. No clue.
[59:29] Speaker 4: So it's shit like that, but they sending scouting reports,
[59:33] Speaker 4: time the flight is, what time bus, everything is sent
[59:38] Speaker 4: to this motherfucker right here. And I guarantee they ain't
[59:43] Speaker 4: tracking hours. They tracking how many shots you getting up
[59:48] Speaker 4: when you go to the gym.
[59:50] Speaker 1: They ain't tracking how many hours you spending on that.
[59:52] Speaker 4: Motherfucking tablet or that in that app watching plays.
[59:55] Speaker 1: They ain't doing that shit. My problem is, if you're... Like,
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: if I'm the coach and my job is on the
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: line and it's about getting better, then I have a
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: coach for every player.
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: Already got that. Right?
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: It's mandatory then that either before practice, during practice, after practice,
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: you and your coach... watching film on the person you're
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: guarding on the person you're going to switch at this
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: point you got to know all five how you know
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: i mean you're supposed to be smarter because now i
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: got to know what you do what you do because
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: i'm switching on everybody y'all should be watching film with
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: your coaching y'all sitting there studying the game how am
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: i letting you like i know when you leave the
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: arena and you get that test you're gonna look at
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: it put it down.
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: And then going on about.
[1:00:55] Speaker 4: Your day I think I'm a pretty smart basketball player, dog.
[1:01:00] Speaker 4: I watched a lot of fucking film. To get smarter,
[1:01:04] Speaker 4: to get these guys are really good that I'm playing,
[1:01:06] Speaker 4: that I know who I gotta guard night in and
[1:01:09] Speaker 4: night out.
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:01:12] Speaker 4: And my film is not only what the team is
[1:01:16] Speaker 4: giving me. I am watching basketball games from tip to
[1:01:25] Speaker 4: And I'm watching every single thing that this man is
[1:01:30] Speaker 4: doing out here. When he check out the game, is
[1:01:33] Speaker 4: he putting fucking hot packs on? I'm locked into this.
[1:01:40] Speaker 4: It's a possibility that I'm going to have to play
[1:01:42] Speaker 4: him in the playoffs, but I know I got to
[1:01:43] Speaker 4: go out and win regular season.
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: And I'm doing this, man. But to your point, this is.
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: The reason I think Mike Malone got the boot, he
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: had made those comments about the team not watching film.
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: Everybody just wanted to watch their highlights.
[1:01:54] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: Not putting in the work behind the scenes.
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: It's true.
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what happened? Like, who made that be okay? Like,
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? Like, when did that shift
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: this swift to, like.
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: All the talent? All that talent that was sitting on
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: the bench too dumb.
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: To get in the game?
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: No, but is it because... They dumbed down everything so
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: they can play these guys?
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: But is it because it's a players' league and now
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: players can get away with shit?
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: I don't know. Listen, don't impersonate me. A lot of it, man,
[1:02:21] Speaker 1: just hear me out, man. Because it's just, over the last.
[1:02:27] Speaker 4: What, 10 years or so, 10, 15 years, it's been
[1:02:34] Speaker 4: one and done, right? Been around for a while. You,
[1:02:43] Speaker 4: as a, minor sports, right? As a sport. The male
[1:02:49] Speaker 4: brain is not fully until you're 25.
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: Your thought process.
[1:02:56] Speaker 4: And being able to process things that you are told, seen, 25, right?
[1:03:02] Speaker 4: Shit going one area and out the other. You see
[1:03:04] Speaker 4: some shit that's oblivious to you. Danger coming your way.
[1:03:07] Speaker 4: You have no fucking idea that it's right outside.
[1:03:10] Speaker 2: The door because you can't.
[1:03:13] Speaker 4: Translate, transfer that same incomplete thought process to basketball. These
[1:03:21] Speaker 4: kids coming in at 19 years old.
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: 19.
[1:03:26] Speaker 4: The knowledge that they have received... Some guys are special.
[1:03:30] Speaker 4: Some guys are exempt to what I'm about to say.
[1:03:34] Speaker 4: But we're giving you information before you get to high school.
[1:03:37] Speaker 4: I mean, before you get to this professional status. When
[1:03:42] Speaker 4: you get paid to... Your contract, if you really read
[1:03:45] Speaker 4: your contract, this is part of your job description. Not
[1:03:52] Speaker 4: just dribbling, passing, and fucking shooting and jumping. Thinking it,
[1:03:56] Speaker 4: being prepared, all that shit is part of your contract.
[1:04:00] Speaker 4: But they can't physically do it. They're 19, 20, 21.
[1:04:04] Speaker 4: So the information that they received in high school, they
[1:04:06] Speaker 4: done forgot certain fundamentals and certain things about the game.
[1:04:10] Speaker 4: And now they're a pro, and now this game is
[1:04:12] Speaker 4: being played a certain way, and you're supposed to be
[1:04:15] Speaker 4: fed all this information to try to help you, which
[1:04:18] Speaker 4: you can't compute it. Because your brain, like your.
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: This motherfucker's still low.
[1:04:24] Speaker 4: You're still trying to figure yourself out off the floor,
[1:04:27] Speaker 4: and then they put all this responsibility on your floor
[1:04:29] Speaker 4: and all this information, and you don't have the capacity
[1:04:33] Speaker 4: to remember your fucking social security number. Right? So, they
[1:04:42] Speaker 4: don't know how to play, and the information that you're
[1:04:44] Speaker 4: giving them and you're trying to give them, they can't
[1:04:45] Speaker 4: retain it.
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: They physically can't.
[1:04:49] Speaker 4: If it hasn't been a constant.
[1:04:53] Speaker 4: Like drill this information into you daily where you don't
[1:04:57] Speaker 4: deviate from it. I put my son in this situation.
[1:05:01] Speaker 4: KJ heard it every day, but his fucking steel was like,
[1:05:05] Speaker 4: but don't repeat that to nobody else.
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: Right? It's that.
[1:05:12] Speaker 4: And I'm, I did a hell of a job with
[1:05:14] Speaker 4: the conversations and each step 15, 16, giving him more.
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: Don't do that.
[1:05:18] Speaker 2: Don't have it.
[1:05:19] Speaker 4: And by the time he became a pro at 19,
[1:05:22] Speaker 4: He was ready, but he was still incomplete as much
[1:05:26] Speaker 4: as I gave him. And he was ahead of the
[1:05:29] Speaker 4: curve than a lot of them dudes that get drafted
[1:05:31] Speaker 4: at 19.
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: To your point, you talk about a guy like Ant-Man.
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: Ant-Man was 23 years old, but has really started embracing
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: watching film. But it's pointed out even during the game,
[1:05:42] Speaker 3: he's got to talk to DiVincenzo, other vets on the team,
[1:05:44] Speaker 3: about defensive coverage is where he needs to be.
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: On both sides of.
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: The ball, but now learning how to watch film and
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: break down that film.
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: Listen, listen, it's just like a classroom, right? And a
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: book and a test. You know how you had the
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: answers in the back of the book? The answers in
[1:06:05] Speaker 1: the back of the book is in film. Everyone looks
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: great and unstoppable if you never look in the back
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: of the book, right? So if I'm just watching your highlights,
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: you're the most amazing motherfucker. Everybody got a tick. Everybody
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: got a bad habit. Everybody got a go-to move. Like
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: everybody got like, if I go here and it's your
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: left hand, you're going to reach every time. Like everyone
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: does something. And when you spot it, that's when you
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: can take an advantage of it. But the problem is
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: this in the NBA. It became self-checkout. The information is self-checkout, right? Hey, man,
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: give that man some smoke. Huh?
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: What you mean?
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: So just imagine you get to check out yourself. That's
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: a good one. Now you're playing on honor system.
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: That's a good one.
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:07:02] Speaker 2: That's a good one.
[1:07:03] Speaker 1: Everybody in the NBA ain't going to be honorable to themselves. Right?
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: I'm sending you the info. Now it's all on you.
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: Are you going to steal from yourself? Because that's all
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: it is. Every time you don't open it and go
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: really through it, you're stealing information from yourself. You're stealing
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: knowledge from yourself.
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: Just like, check out. Nah, I'll pay for it later.
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: I'm going to go in and I just start packing
[1:07:30] Speaker 2: shit up and leave. Got you. Scan one, scan one,
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: put one.
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: Scan one, put one. That's why I like, I tell,
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: you know, when I'm working out the kids, we got
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: 10 line drills. I'm not making you touch the line.
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: That's you getting worked out. If I'm saying everybody make
[1:07:49] Speaker 1: 100 and you want to make 85 and you sitting
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: there cheating, hey, don't say shit.
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: Don't worry about your shots. If you made 100, you
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: made 100. He made 85.
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: That's 15 that he fucked himself off of.
[1:08:03] Speaker 2: That's going to show later on.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: I'm not here to correct.
[1:08:06] Speaker 2: You got to have.
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: Discipline to correct yourself because at a certain level, there's
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: no watchdog.
[1:08:13] Speaker 2: You are your own watchdog. Well, you have to be.
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:08:16] Speaker 7: What organization would you say still does it the right
[1:08:18] Speaker 7: way and still that you believe that's still in it?
[1:08:22] Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Pop did. Like every year out?
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Pop did. And what's so funny is
[1:08:29] Speaker 1: it's like the best organization.
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: You think they still got it right now? Huh?
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: Over there in Spurs? Yeah.
[1:08:34] Speaker 2: Miami. Of course Miami.
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: Unless you get under the hood, but, you know, if
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: you listen to like Phil Jackson and them, All right,
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: you got to be disciplined yourself. Same thing with Golden State.
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: Discipline yourself. So it all depends on, you know, you
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: got to get in there.
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: And see what they do.
[1:08:54] Speaker 4: There's a reason Jeff Van Gundy didn't coach for as
[1:08:57] Speaker 4: long as he did. And that's why he wouldn't accept
[1:08:59] Speaker 4: a head coach.
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: Job.
[1:09:00] Speaker 4: There's a reason for that shit, man. That basketball mind
[1:09:03] Speaker 4: he has, there's a reason that he was like, you
[1:09:06] Speaker 4: know what? I'm going to stay on this TV, man,
[1:09:10] Speaker 4: behind the camera because I can't deal with this style
[1:09:13] Speaker 4: of this player. Like, it bothered him. If you listen
[1:09:16] Speaker 4: to him, the way the game is played, it bothered him.
[1:09:20] Speaker 4: It bothers him. I don't know what T. Lou Nim
[1:09:25] Speaker 4: did to get him on that bench. But shout out
[1:09:30] Speaker 4: to T. Lou Nim because he wanted no parts of it.
[1:09:35] Speaker 3: Let's get back to these nuggets real quick. Something I
[1:09:37] Speaker 3: want to discuss with you guys that happened before Game 5,
[1:09:40] Speaker 3: after Game 5. But before Game 5, ESPN's Ramona Shelburne
[1:09:43] Speaker 3: dropped an article on the highs and lows of the
[1:09:45] Speaker 3: Westbrook experience this season in Denver. She detailed a heated
[1:09:49] Speaker 3: locker room argument involving Aaron Gordon and Westbrook after the
[1:09:52] Speaker 3: Nuggets got blown out in Game 2, with one anonymous
[1:09:55] Speaker 3: player being quoted as saying, he's so immature in regards
[1:09:58] Speaker 3: to Westbrook. But another anonymous player saying, the great thing
[1:10:02] Speaker 3: about this team is we're not afraid to talk honestly
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: with each other and hold each other accountable. So after
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: Game 5, Gordon addressed that article and came to the
[1:10:10] Speaker 3: defense of his future Hall of Fame teammate.
[1:10:13] Speaker 11: Really, I don't feel like talking about the game. Earlier,
[1:10:16] Speaker 11: I caught wind of an article that came out about
[1:10:22] Speaker 11: Russell Westbrook in our locker room after game two, which
[1:10:26] Speaker 11: was a completely arbitrary article and pointless and unnecessary.
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: By whoever it was that put it out.
[1:10:36] Speaker 11: Russ is one of the most talented basketball players that
[1:10:39] Speaker 11: has ever played the game of basketball.
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: Quite frankly, he's been great for us.
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: All year long. We're brothers.
[1:10:46] Speaker 11: We spend more time with our team than we do
[1:10:49] Speaker 11: with our own family. Of course, there's going to be disagreements.
[1:10:53] Speaker 11: But that conversation wasn't for anybody other than our own
[1:10:57] Speaker 11: group and the internal workings of our locker room. So
[1:11:02] Speaker 11: that article is just so arbitrary and so far from
[1:11:06] Speaker 11: the truth.
[1:11:07] Speaker 2: Russ has been amazing for us.
[1:11:10] Speaker 11: And not only is he a great basketball player, but
[1:11:13] Speaker 11: he's an even better human being. So and he's going
[1:11:16] Speaker 11: to continue to be great for us, and he's going
[1:11:17] Speaker 11: to make a huge impact, and he's going to help
[1:11:19] Speaker 11: us win these next two games.
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: And that's all I've got to.
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: Say, guys.
[1:11:23] Speaker 3: So quickly, speaking on the internal workings of the locker room,
[1:11:27] Speaker 3: so as you guys may recall, here's what Aaron Gordon
[1:11:30] Speaker 3: looked like the day before Game 1 of the Nuggets
[1:11:32] Speaker 3: first-round series against the Clippers.
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: Let's just go back down memory lane.
[1:11:35] Speaker 3: Wait, that was before Game 1? That was the Friday
[1:11:39] Speaker 3: before Game 1.
[1:11:41] Speaker 2: Looked like allergies, man. Friday before game one, fat-lipped black guy.
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: When Gordon was asked how he got the black guy,
[1:11:46] Speaker 3: he smirked and responded, feels fine, it looks worse than
[1:11:49] Speaker 3: it is, I don't know. Sometime during the regular season,
[1:11:52] Speaker 3: probably didn't get a call. The Nuggets had played their
[1:11:55] Speaker 3: last game on that Sunday, I believe. This was on
[1:11:58] Speaker 3: the Friday before the playoffs started.
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: So how did he look during that game? Did it
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: look like he got hit.
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: At any point?
[1:12:08] Speaker 3: They noticed Friday what was going on. He made those comments.
[1:12:12] Speaker 3: Maybe something, maybe nothing, but we've had our suspicions here
[1:12:16] Speaker 3: in the arena.
[1:12:17] Speaker 1: Maybe something. But back to the video, what's your reaction
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: to Aaron Gordon defending Westbrook?
[1:12:24] Speaker 2: I don't like they got a snitch in the locker room. Oh, shit, man.
[1:12:28] Speaker 4: We got a snitch in every locker room. They ain't
[1:12:29] Speaker 4: just started.
[1:12:30] Speaker 2: No, no, I know.
[1:12:31] Speaker 7: I'm just saying at this time of the season and
[1:12:34] Speaker 7: we're going through the playoffs.
[1:12:35] Speaker 2: They just fired their head coach.
[1:12:37] Speaker 4: You think shit is okay around there?
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: No, no, I know it's not.
[1:12:39] Speaker 7: No, I know it's not, but it always seems like
[1:12:42] Speaker 7: it's so easy to blame Russell Westbrook.
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, low-hanging fruit at this point. It's easy clickbait. Anonymous
[1:12:47] Speaker 3: players making these comments, which really... It's never.
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: It's always the same motherfucking player.
[1:12:51] Speaker 4: Oh, and that Shelburne woman?
[1:12:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, Ramona Shelburne.
[1:12:55] Speaker 4: I'm going to keep my personal thoughts to myself. Talk
[1:12:58] Speaker 4: about an article.
[1:13:02] Speaker 2: Listen, if you want to find a snitch, just listen.
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: Whoever she go to first.
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: Watch what you're talking to all the time. Yeah. Watch
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: what she want. When she around, just watch her. Watch
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: how she move.
[1:13:14] Speaker 2: See who says what's up.
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: Just watch how she move. You ain't got to just
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: watch how she move.
[1:13:19] Speaker 2: Be like, oh, okay. I mean, it's an op. It's
[1:13:22] Speaker 2: an op in there. They definitely want an op in
[1:13:24] Speaker 2: that locker room.
[1:13:25] Speaker 3: Article made it seem like it was different players and
[1:13:28] Speaker 3: maybe she chose to not reveal their identity. Could have
[1:13:31] Speaker 3: been the same human being as well. Of course it is.
[1:13:33] Speaker 3: Of course it is.
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: There's a person that don't like Westbrook.
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: How about that?
[1:13:37] Speaker 3: And we have heard the previous reports about some players
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: not being happy with Westbrook's treatment on the squad.
[1:13:43] Speaker 2: We know it wasn't Joker.
[1:13:45] Speaker 4: But my thing is.
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: You say immature, then it has to be an older
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: player who's been there for a couple of years at
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: World Championship.
[1:13:51] Speaker 2: There's only like.
[1:13:52] Speaker 1: Four or five. Four or five of them, I'm pretty sure.
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: We could probably cancel our Jokic because he did one
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: Westbrook on the squad. Jokic, you ain't going to say Murray.
[1:14:02] Speaker 2: You ain't going to say the one who defended him.
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: There's only a few going after that.
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it ain't going to be no
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: bench players because, you know, no one gives a fuck
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: what they're thinking about anyway. So it's only going to
[1:14:14] Speaker 1: be two or three people that it could possibly be.
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? End of the season.
[1:14:21] Speaker 4: How can I get people to tune in to my article?
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: Let me see.
[1:14:26] Speaker 4: Hmm.
[1:14:28] Speaker 1: Russ.
[1:14:29] Speaker 4: You know what?
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: No, but.
[1:14:31] Speaker 4: Let me hear some negativity about Russ again. That tends
[1:14:35] Speaker 4: to get people's attention.
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: But he can kind of confirm that what happened in
[1:14:40] Speaker 1: the locker room, so he's confirming, too, that there was
[1:14:44] Speaker 1: an argument at the game, too. Well, let's just go
[1:14:48] Speaker 1: to game two and see who the fuck played bad.
[1:14:50] Speaker 3: I don't think... Adelman was not in the locker room
[1:14:52] Speaker 3: at that point. He was doing his post-game press conference,
[1:14:54] Speaker 3: came back in to see that that was going on,
[1:14:56] Speaker 3: according to the... This was game two of the first round? No,
[1:14:59] Speaker 3: game two versus the Thunder after Thunder blew up. I
[1:15:01] Speaker 3: don't know what the game is.
[1:15:03] Speaker 2: Maybe it happens.
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: Whatever.
[1:15:06] Speaker 3: While Gil's looking up that information, as players, do you
[1:15:09] Speaker 3: tend to have a good idea of who the snitch
[1:15:11] Speaker 3: is in the locker room?
[1:15:12] Speaker 2: Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I know I did on my team. Oh, yeah.
[1:15:21] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Game two, he led the
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: team in scoring off the bench. Three people, I think,
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: narrowed it down to two. Guess who? Yeah, brother.
[1:15:46] Speaker 2: It's a rough series for you.
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: It's a rough playoff series for you, man.
[1:15:49] Speaker 2: But they're going to get rid of you. You feel
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: like Westbrook?
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: No, it's just one of those things, man, where, I mean,
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon, I mean, you.
[1:16:01] Speaker 2: Can see he's standing up for.
[1:16:04] Speaker 1: Who he believes is not the reason that they are
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: losing and they're not.
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: Playing very well.
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, I mean, for somebody like Westbrook,
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: Even if they ever had beef, the respect of just
[1:16:17] Speaker 1: the work ethic and us as teammates over, you know,
[1:16:21] Speaker 1: pushes them over the top.
[1:16:23] Speaker 4: And you witness how people did him from afar, right?
[1:16:25] Speaker 4: The Lakers situation, the Clippers situation. Like, you're like, man,
[1:16:30] Speaker 4: Russ is this, he's this, and then you're getting on
[1:16:31] Speaker 4: the team with him, and you're like, he ain't nothing
[1:16:34] Speaker 4: like what they trying to portray this dude as, right?
[1:16:37] Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's unfortunate, man, that. You just came in
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: there on some L.A.? Yeah, terrible.
[1:16:47] Speaker 1: I just don't, like, there's been some articles that's been
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: going on during the playoffs, and I'm like, is this
[1:16:57] Speaker 1: woman from Denver? No.
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: National reporter.
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: Oh, she's national.
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: So that makes sense.
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: National reporter, don't give a fuck about the internal part
[1:17:04] Speaker 1: of a team.
[1:17:05] Speaker 2: But if this is, like, local....
[1:17:09] Speaker 1: And we're in the middle of the playoffs, and these
[1:17:11] Speaker 1: are the things that you're writing, like, the fuck's your problem? Like,
[1:17:15] Speaker 1: maybe wait until after the series and we lose, then
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: you can start putting this out. But we're trying to, like,
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: now you got this team trying to figure out who
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: the fuck told you. They supposed to be getting ready
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: for game six. Now they trying to figure out who
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: the fuck is just telling and snitching. They going to
[1:17:31] Speaker 1: be looking at each other. We don't know if it's
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: a player or now. One of the assistant coaches that's
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: sneaking around is motherfucking ear hustling. And that's what you
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: do to teams. She can't put it out after. It's
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: irrelevant then. It's irrelevant after they lose.
[1:17:48] Speaker 2: She got to put it out now.
[1:17:49] Speaker 4: She did what her intentions was. She accomplished it. She
[1:17:56] Speaker 4: accomplished that because.
[1:17:57] Speaker 2: He was asked.
[1:17:58] Speaker 4: He didn't want to talk about nothing. He didn't want
[1:18:00] Speaker 4: to talk about the game. He wanted to address this.
[1:18:02] Speaker 4: Went right to it. Was asked about the game. Said,
[1:18:04] Speaker 4: I don't want to speak about it.
[1:18:04] Speaker 2: Forget the game.
[1:18:05] Speaker 3: I want to talk about this situation going on. As
[1:18:08] Speaker 3: it stands, obviously, Nuggets down 3-2. And in the game six,
[1:18:12] Speaker 3: still have an opportunity to win the series. But let's
[1:18:14] Speaker 3: keep this thing moving. Pacers embarrassed the Cavs in game
[1:18:17] Speaker 3: four to take a 3-1 series lead, holding a 41-point
[1:18:20] Speaker 3: lead at halftime, winning by 20. Donovan Mitchell left the
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: game four at halftime with.
[1:18:24] Speaker 2: An ankle injury.
[1:18:25] Speaker 3: But did what he needed to do to be available
[1:18:27] Speaker 3: with his team's season on the line. Pacers lead in
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: game five with an opportunity to eliminate the top team
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: in the East, advance to the conference finals for the
[1:18:34] Speaker 3: second straight season. The Cavs still believe they could overcome
[1:18:37] Speaker 3: the 3-1 deficit for the second time in franchise history,
[1:18:41] Speaker 3: first without LeBron. But Tyrese Halliburton and his crew show
[1:18:44] Speaker 3: there's a difference between believing and deceiving. Let's take a
[1:18:48] Speaker 3: look at some.
[1:18:48] Speaker 2: Of the highlights.
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: So Cavs got off to a hot start, taking a
[1:18:52] Speaker 3: 12-point lead after the first quarter. Donovan Mitchell had 13
[1:18:55] Speaker 3: points in the first frame. Cavs were 11 of 12
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: from the line. Meanwhile, Pacers got off to a slow
[1:19:00] Speaker 3: start in this one, going 7 of 22 from the
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: field in the first quarter, including 1 of 8 from 3.
[1:19:04] Speaker 3: Pacers scored 25 points in the first 16 minutes of
[1:19:07] Speaker 3: the game. but put up 27 in the last eight
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: minutes of the half. So Tyrese Halliburton had 15 total
[1:19:14] Speaker 3: points in games three and four. Appeared to be headed
[1:19:17] Speaker 3: down a similar path after picking up two fouls in
[1:19:19] Speaker 3: the first quarter while taking just one shot, but highly
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: took over in the second quarter.
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: Hitting five consecutive threes, the Pacers.
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: Went on a 16-4 run to battle back from a
[1:19:29] Speaker 3: 19-point deficit. So despite Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland going
[1:19:32] Speaker 3: to combine five for 21 in the first half, Cleveland
[1:19:35] Speaker 3: still led by four at the break.
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: Indiana exploded.
[1:19:39] Speaker 3: In the third quarter, going on a 17-2 run to
[1:19:41] Speaker 3: take their first lead since early in the first quarter,
[1:19:44] Speaker 3: led by as much as 12 in the third before
[1:19:46] Speaker 3: the Cavs cut it to nine heading into the fourth quarter.
[1:19:51] Speaker 3: Halliburton led the Pacers with 31 points, eight assists, six rebounds,
[1:19:55] Speaker 3: 10 of 15 from the field, six for 10 from three.
[1:19:59] Speaker 3: First 30-point game this postseason, third of his career. Pascal
[1:20:02] Speaker 3: Siakam had 21, 8 boards and 5 dimes on 8
[1:20:05] Speaker 3: of 20 shooting. Andrew Nebhard added 18 and 6 dimes.
[1:20:08] Speaker 3: He was 7 of 11 from the field. Aaron Neesmith
[1:20:10] Speaker 3: put up a double-double, 13 points, 13 rebounds. Miles Turner
[1:20:13] Speaker 3: had 10 points, 7 rebounds, and 4 blocks. So Donovan
[1:20:17] Speaker 3: Mitchell tried to help the Cavs mount a comeback in
[1:20:20] Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, scoring 16 of his 35 in the
[1:20:23] Speaker 3: final frame. Spider was 8 of 25 from the field,
[1:20:25] Speaker 3: 4 of 13 from 3, and 15 for 21 from
[1:20:26] Speaker 3: the line. Also had nine rebounds, four steals. Evan Mobley
[1:20:31] Speaker 3: had 24-11 rebounds in two blocks. DeAndre Hunter added 12
[1:20:35] Speaker 3: points off the bench. Darius Garland, 4-11 from the field,
[1:20:38] Speaker 3: 0-8 from three, and finished with 11 points. So the
[1:20:41] Speaker 3: Cavs cut the Pacers lead to one point in the
[1:20:43] Speaker 3: fourth quarter, but that's the closest they would get. Pacers
[1:20:46] Speaker 3: up six with under two minutes to play when Spider
[1:20:50] Speaker 3: was fouled on a three-point attempt. He missed all three
[1:20:54] Speaker 3: free throws in that transaction. He did hit a three
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: on the Cavs' next possession to cut the deficit three.
[1:21:00] Speaker 3: Neb Hart got an and one to put the Pacers
[1:21:02] Speaker 3: back up by six. And with under 30 seconds remaining
[1:21:05] Speaker 3: in the game, Miles Turner put the nail in the Cavs' coffin,
[1:21:08] Speaker 3: hitting a corner three to call game. You see how
[1:21:12] Speaker 3: excited he was. Pacers got their third straight win in
[1:21:15] Speaker 3: Cleveland to clinch the series, reached their second straight Eastern
[1:21:19] Speaker 3: Conference Finals for the first time since 2014. They are
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: the first team in NBA history to make back-to-back conference
[1:21:24] Speaker 3: finals appearances as a four-seed or lower since the playoffs
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: expanded in 1984. After the game, Hallie had this to
[1:21:31] Speaker 3: say about his serious clinching performance and what makes this
[1:21:34] Speaker 3: Pacers team so special.
[1:21:36] Speaker 8: We're different than every other team in the NBA. We
[1:21:38] Speaker 8: don't just have one guy who scores all the points.
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: I think we defeat teams in different ways. We move
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: the ball.
[1:21:45] Speaker 9: The ball is flying.
[1:21:45] Speaker 8: We've got a lot of different guys making shots, making plays.
[1:21:49] Speaker 8: We've preached our depth all, you know, for the last
[1:21:51] Speaker 8: couple of years and, you know, it's paying off now. So,
[1:21:54] Speaker 8: you know, I had a great game, but, you know,
[1:21:57] Speaker 8: I think a big part of that was guys were
[1:21:58] Speaker 8: finding me, putting me in the right spots. And, you know,
[1:22:01] Speaker 8: we did panic after that rough start to the first quarter.
[1:22:05] Speaker 8: We knew they were going to throw a punch. You know,
[1:22:06] Speaker 8: we talked about that. We knew that they were going to,
[1:22:09] Speaker 8: you know, throw a haymaker there, but I thought we
[1:22:10] Speaker 8: weathered the storm the right way and got going from there.
[1:22:13] Speaker 8: So really proud of our effort and, you.
[1:22:15] Speaker 2: Know, proud of this group.
[1:22:18] Speaker 3: So Pacers have proven that they're an 8-win team in
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: the postseason for the second straight year. But Mr. B,
[1:22:23] Speaker 3: do you think the Pacers can be a 16-win team
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: this postseason?
[1:22:28] Speaker 7: I don't know anything is possible, but shout out to Holly.
[1:22:32] Speaker 7: They call him the most overrated player. Every time their
[1:22:35] Speaker 7: team needs a closeout or to get a team out
[1:22:38] Speaker 7: of here, he always steps up. I just love the
[1:22:41] Speaker 7: way he's been playing. He's played like an old-school point guard.
[1:22:44] Speaker 7: A lot of his teammates are in double figures in scoring.
[1:22:48] Speaker 7: That's when they're the most dangerous. And, yeah, I just
[1:22:52] Speaker 7: like the way he's been playing, the way he's been
[1:22:53] Speaker 7: leading his team, and I'm excited for him. I mean,
[1:22:56] Speaker 7: because they said he was the most overrated player, and
[1:22:58] Speaker 7: he's showing that he's not.
[1:23:00] Speaker 2: More anonymous players doing that voting. And they need to
[1:23:05] Speaker 2: let his dad back in the arena. Let Pops back in.
[1:23:09] Speaker 3: I'm worried if Pops will be allowed in the arena
[1:23:11] Speaker 3: anytime soon. Been watching at local Applebee's. in both Cleveland
[1:23:17] Speaker 3: and Indianapolis. But let's just throw this out. Canyon, do
[1:23:20] Speaker 3: you think that this Pacers squad, seeing the way that
[1:23:23] Speaker 3: they played in this postseason, could be a 16-win team?
[1:23:29] Speaker 2: She made it this far.
[1:23:29] Speaker 4: It's a tall task to get 16. But they believe
[1:23:40] Speaker 4: they're playing well right now. They got to this point
[1:23:44] Speaker 4: last year, so I think having that experience and not
[1:23:48] Speaker 4: being able to get over the hump last year is
[1:23:50] Speaker 4: going to help. So it's a possibility, man. I think
[1:23:53] Speaker 4: they are trending up and being a really, I'm saying,
[1:24:00] Speaker 4: a Cleveland team that was well put together and well coached. So, yeah,
[1:24:06] Speaker 4: it's possible. They remind me a lot of my Nets teams.
[1:24:11] Speaker 4: Play fast, defend you. You're not looking for one particular
[1:24:15] Speaker 4: big score. If somebody have one of them nights, then
[1:24:18] Speaker 4: it's one of them nights. But everybody's six, seven guys
[1:24:24] Speaker 4: in double figures is tough to beat. As Oklahoma City
[1:24:29] Speaker 4: has proven that, as Indiana has proven that, the Knicks
[1:24:33] Speaker 4: are proving that. But when one has a big night,
[1:24:36] Speaker 4: then it's great. But as long as everybody stays consistent,
[1:24:41] Speaker 4: And I think they have been so far in these playoffs.
[1:24:44] Speaker 2: They got a shot.
[1:24:45] Speaker 3: So you talk about that, but I think the difference
[1:24:46] Speaker 3: with other teams, obviously, Nick's got Jalen Brunson, who could
[1:24:49] Speaker 3: drop 40 at any moment. SGA, same thing with OKC. Hallie,
[1:24:53] Speaker 3: not necessarily a scorer, but can do a little bit
[1:24:55] Speaker 3: of everything, a distributor, a facilitator. But it seems like
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: this team just has guys who can step up at
[1:25:00] Speaker 3: any moment, and when they're all in sync and locked
[1:25:02] Speaker 3: in together, very difficult to beat. Battle back from numerous
[1:25:06] Speaker 3: fourth-quarter comeback deficits.
[1:25:08] Speaker 2: Can you go to the video real quick?
[1:25:11] Speaker 1: This is where Cleveland lost.
[1:25:14] Speaker 2: Can you go back to that video? Let me show you.
[1:25:20] Speaker 2: Why is that a foul on Siakam, too? And you're
[1:25:25] Speaker 2: seeing that fourth where Indiana was going. We're trying to
[1:25:28] Speaker 2: go six. Everything to the basket. Let me show you. Unconventional.
[1:25:38] Speaker 2: Where is the contestant? I saw that on Playback. It
[1:25:41] Speaker 2: goes in.
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: Mr.
[1:25:45] Speaker 2: B on your playback.
[1:25:46] Speaker 3: Playback.tv slash hostile territory for everybody who wants to tune in.
[1:25:51] Speaker 2: Mr. B on playback.
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: Ha. Boom. Ooh. Right here.
[1:25:58] Speaker 2: This right here.
[1:25:59] Speaker 1: Stop. Yeah.
[1:26:01] Speaker 2: The game was lost on this play right here.
[1:26:05] Speaker 1: Let's go up 10.
[1:26:07] Speaker 2: It's not even about the 10 points.
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's about crowd control.
[1:26:14] Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha.
[1:26:15] Speaker 1: If you make this layup, nothing. The gym don't do nothing.
[1:26:20] Speaker 1: Your players don't do nothing, right? You are the most
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: athletic person in this series. If you would have came
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: down and do what you... Think about fast breakdowns.
[1:26:33] Speaker 2: Everybody get.
[1:26:34] Speaker 1: You start doing this. The fans start doing this. The
[1:26:37] Speaker 1: players start doing... You go and do one of them
[1:26:40] Speaker 1: Spider-Man dunks that you normally do, the two-foot power, bring
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: it back, the crowd go crazy, your bench go crazy.
[1:26:49] Speaker 2: It puts momentum into the game.
[1:26:52] Speaker 1: There's moments in the game that you need to do
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: something special. Mm-hmm. Like, think about whenever you've seen somebody.
[1:27:01] Speaker 2: On a fast break and they did something, everybody, you.
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: Start doing this, everybody start getting closer, you start doing
[1:27:07] Speaker 1: this shit right here, and every time somebody on a
[1:27:09] Speaker 1: fast break, a high-level guy, went in and just made
[1:27:12] Speaker 1: a layup, you're like, aww. Donovan Mitchell's defense. Janky anchor.
[1:27:20] Speaker 1: Go off two. I don't care. You're a two-foot jumper.
[1:27:24] Speaker 2: Come on.
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: Playing with a janky anchor.
[1:27:27] Speaker 2: I get, baby.
[1:27:29] Speaker 1: Even if he makes it, it's two points. In your
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: building where you need to win, where you need to
[1:27:36] Speaker 1: build and to be.
[1:27:37] Speaker 2: At level 10 the whole time. I dig it.
[1:27:41] Speaker 1: If you was down 10, that dunk right there is
[1:27:46] Speaker 1: what brings the building back.
[1:27:49] Speaker 2: He might go up and foul you.
[1:27:51] Speaker 12: Maybe on his steps he couldn't gather.
[1:27:54] Speaker 1: He looked like, I'm just about to go lay this in.
[1:27:58] Speaker 4: He thought it was a regular season. He thought it
[1:28:00] Speaker 4: was a regular season.
[1:28:02] Speaker 1: Right, Drew? He did.
[1:28:02] Speaker 2: He went up like it was a regular season. Just
[1:28:04] Speaker 2: some of them plays like.
[1:28:09] Speaker 1: That block gave Indiana momentum. Momentum.
[1:28:13] Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how we playing.
[1:28:16] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: And those are the little things that dictate the game
[1:28:21] Speaker 1: that you got to take advantage of. Yeah. And then
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: from there, it just trickles down. Yeah.
[1:28:27] Speaker 2: No, you're right.
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: And that's why I said, like, I'm looking at the play.
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: I didn't even know what the score was. I'm like,
[1:28:33] Speaker 1: that's where it is. I got you. You know what
[1:28:36] Speaker 1: I mean? Like, when you started the game off, right?
[1:28:38] Speaker 1: Motherfucker going in with one of them fancy layups and
[1:28:41] Speaker 1: you grab that bitch and throw it. Like, oh shit,
[1:28:43] Speaker 1: it's one of these games. One of them. Yeah.
[1:28:50] Speaker 4: It's just moments. We're playing the Pistons, man. I got it.
[1:28:53] Speaker 4: First three games, man, I got a dunk on the tip.
[1:28:56] Speaker 4: Off the jump ball, off the tip, I got a dunk.
[1:29:00] Speaker 4: First three games.
[1:29:01] Speaker 2: And it makes you think, timeout, timeout.
[1:29:03] Speaker 4: Before game four, Chargers stepped that motherfucker.
[1:29:06] Speaker 2: Hey, listen, man.
[1:29:08] Speaker 1: Look at this big, not today.
[1:29:11] Speaker 2: Did they call the.
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: Timeout off the third game?
[1:29:13] Speaker 2: No, you just saw it, right?
[1:29:15] Speaker 4: You just was like, everybody on their justice.
[1:29:19] Speaker 2: Here we go again.
[1:29:21] Speaker 1: Right? Here we go again.
[1:29:24] Speaker 2: Take your soul out.
[1:29:25] Speaker 1: You just need this. You already see it.
[1:29:27] Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, they done.
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: There's moments in the game where you're trying to control.
[1:29:32] Speaker 1: It's like a room controller. That was a room controller.
[1:29:37] Speaker 2: I dig it.
[1:29:37] Speaker 4: I didn't think about it that way. But what you're saying, though, despite,
[1:29:41] Speaker 4: because I watched the game live and saw that play
[1:29:43] Speaker 4: and had the same feeling, because you basically have an easy,
[1:29:44] Speaker 4: for sure, two points, like you said. Crowd's going to cheer,
[1:29:47] Speaker 4: but it's not going to look exciting. But I'm also
[1:29:50] Speaker 4: looking at Donovan Mitchell missing the second half of the
[1:29:53] Speaker 4: previous game. limping around on the court, doing everything he
[1:29:56] Speaker 4: can to try and keep his team in the series.
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: But I knew he was going to show up. But
[1:30:00] Speaker 1: I'm saying, but in that moment... Jump off two, dunk
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: it with two hands, something. You're a two-foot jumper anyway.
[1:30:06] Speaker 1: Give me something. You would have pulled out that motherfucking lean. Boom!
[1:30:10] Speaker 7: I mean, because he tried to come down on one play,
[1:30:12] Speaker 7: and he got hung. On the first half, he tried
[1:30:15] Speaker 7: to come down and dunk it.
[1:30:17] Speaker 1: That dunk wasn't for him. That dunk was for everybody
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: in the building. Regardless of what you did. He's playing well.
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: everybody it just seemed like everybody didn't come.
[1:30:27] Speaker 3: To work yeah and we will talk about that in
[1:30:31] Speaker 3: a second because that's definitely what we've seen like when
[1:30:33] Speaker 3: we asked the chat uh can the pacers win the
[1:30:35] Speaker 3: title uh 46 percent in the chat thinks that the
[1:30:38] Speaker 3: pacers can do it 54 percent so they can title
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: yeah 16 win team so win 16 games in the.
[1:30:44] Speaker 2: Post no that means you are the nba title no.
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: That team shit that team shit ain't working in the
[1:30:53] Speaker 1: In the championship game, when you got... motherfuckers on the
[1:30:57] Speaker 1: other side, that they got team play and they got
[1:30:59] Speaker 1: dominant play. So you know at least the same motherfuckers
[1:31:03] Speaker 1: going to show up. We got seven games that one
[1:31:05] Speaker 1: person on our team is going to be dominant at
[1:31:07] Speaker 1: least five of those games and then somebody else can
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: show up.
[1:31:10] Speaker 2: To help out. Even in their own conference, obviously.
[1:31:12] Speaker 1: You got motherfuckers like, you good this game, you good
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: that game, you good, you, nah, nah, nah. That's not
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: how that last game is unless you shutting them motherfuckers
[1:31:23] Speaker 1: down from being dominant.
[1:31:24] Speaker 3: It seems like similarity with the Knicks. Obviously, Pacers defeated
[1:31:27] Speaker 3: the Knicks last season, but Brunson was hurt. OG Ananobi
[1:31:30] Speaker 3: got hurt early in that game seven. Different Knicks squad
[1:31:32] Speaker 3: coming through with Cap, but they also have guys on
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: their roster similar to the Pacers that.
[1:31:37] Speaker 2: This is a rival. Yeah, but it is a. It's
[1:31:39] Speaker 2: a rival right here. WWE predicted. Yeah, this might be
[1:31:42] Speaker 2: one of the most exciting series in the playoffs.
[1:31:45] Speaker 1: Which one?
[1:31:46] Speaker 2: The Knicks and Pacers. It's going to take it back
[1:31:51] Speaker 2: to the 90s for sure.
[1:31:53] Speaker 1: The 90s?
[1:31:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, the 90s. Reggie with the chokes back in the day?
[1:31:58] Speaker 2: You don't remember all that?
[1:32:00] Speaker 13: No, I remember Reggie. It was Reggie versus Nick. It
[1:32:04] Speaker 13: wasn't the Pacers first. No, it wasn't. I know, I know,
[1:32:11] Speaker 13: I know. But they only promoted one.
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: When we think about Pacers and we think about Knicks,
[1:32:16] Speaker 1: we only think about literally like Reggie and Spike. That's
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: really it. I went to a playoff game. Yeah, but
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: come on, don't.
[1:32:22] Speaker 2: Come on, come on.
[1:32:23] Speaker 1: You have New York, man.
[1:32:25] Speaker 4: Yeah, I went up to Indiana and went to a
[1:32:27] Speaker 4: playoff game when I was in college. We got tickets
[1:32:29] Speaker 4: to go to a playoff game. It was playing the
[1:32:31] Speaker 4: Knicks in the playoffs. Yeah, that shit was, yeah.
[1:32:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot.
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be a good series if, you know.
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: One is finished. One finished their meal. The other one
[1:32:41] Speaker 1: got to finish theirs. And the worst thing they want
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: to do is keep this series going. They want to
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: end it as quick as.
[1:32:47] Speaker 2: Possible, too. They better.
[1:32:50] Speaker 3: So, King, Steve, our showrunner on the show would like
[1:32:52] Speaker 3: to know how you got those tickets to go to
[1:32:54] Speaker 3: that game in Indiana.
[1:32:55] Speaker 2: Me in college, yeah.
[1:32:56] Speaker 3: Statue of limitation that since passed.
[1:33:00] Speaker 2: And I respect it. We were testing you just to see.
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: Oh, no.
[1:33:03] Speaker 2: My girl and college parents, they don't have money. Oh, okay.
[1:33:07] Speaker 1: That was good.
[1:33:07] Speaker 2: Yeah. That was good.
[1:33:09] Speaker 4: No, they stay in the neighborhood across the street from Hugs.
[1:33:12] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
[1:33:13] Speaker 4: No, no, no.
[1:33:13] Speaker 2: Why did you get new tickets? Because out of all
[1:33:17] Speaker 2: the tickets, man, you're just getting new tickets, huh?
[1:33:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, it was before my senior year. So if it
[1:33:20] Speaker 4: was my senior year, that's one thing. I was just
[1:33:23] Speaker 4: a mediocre basketball player before that. Oh, so chose why?
[1:33:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like my sophomore, junior year. I was
[1:33:28] Speaker 2: okay then. How far is that trip from Cincy?
[1:33:31] Speaker 1: An hour tops. An hour.
[1:33:32] Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was that close.
[1:33:36] Speaker 1: They're bringing back some good feeling games, man.
[1:33:40] Speaker 3: So let's talk Howie. We've got to give him his love.
[1:33:43] Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, Athletics Anonymous player poll came out, voted
[1:33:47] Speaker 3: him the most overrated player in the league. Obviously took
[1:33:49] Speaker 3: exception to that. Performed at a very high level since that.
[1:33:53] Speaker 3: So Howie hit.
[1:33:54] Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[1:33:55] Speaker 4: Huh?
[1:33:55] Speaker 2: He was playing at a very high level, and that's
[1:33:57] Speaker 2: why they did it. wait what happened yes.
[1:34:01] Speaker 1: Not since then he was playing at a high level
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: that's why he got that's why he started he was
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: like this motherfucker god damn and he's been playing up to.
[1:34:12] Speaker 3: We had a couple of down games in this series
[1:34:14] Speaker 3: but when it mattered when it was time to end
[1:34:16] Speaker 3: this thing keep.
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: It pushing he was still plus he's averaged a double
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: double so don't try to pretend like ever since he's
[1:34:23] Speaker 1: been doing I'm just saying since that happened he's had
[1:34:26] Speaker 1: a little extra pep in his step highly hit six
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: threes in the game Second series clincher with five plus threes,
[1:34:33] Speaker 1: tying Reggie Miller for the most in franchise history. So
[1:34:36] Speaker 1: Hallie's performance got the attention of his Olympic teammate, LeBron James,
[1:34:39] Speaker 1: who offered these thoughts after the first half of game five.
[1:34:44] Speaker 3: He said, Hallie, fucking hooping. We're the lames who said
[1:34:47] Speaker 3: he was overrated. Quiet as hell. That boy nice. And
[1:34:51] Speaker 3: even more, someone everyone would love to play with. He
[1:34:55] Speaker 3: made sure to plug his Mind the Game podcast. Everyone
[1:34:58] Speaker 3: would love to play with. I imagine including himself. But
[1:35:02] Speaker 3: that's neither here nor there.
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: I like that.
[1:35:04] Speaker 2: That's neither here nor there.
[1:35:05] Speaker 3: You've been off the broad bandwagon.
[1:35:08] Speaker 2: We're taking our talents elsewhere. We're taking our talents elsewhere.
[1:35:12] Speaker 2: I don't need to.
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: Come to L.A.
[1:35:14] Speaker 3: I ain't come to work to talk about that. I
[1:35:16] Speaker 3: wasn't suggesting that he came to LA. See, I find
[1:35:19] Speaker 3: a way to put on my purple. I was not
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: suggesting that. I find a way to put on purple.
[1:35:22] Speaker 3: I was not suggesting that.
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: The Lakers don't want that.
[1:35:24] Speaker 2: I was not suggesting that. Don't tell us what we
[1:35:26] Speaker 2: want and what we need. I'm telling you. Don't tell
[1:35:28] Speaker 2: us what we want and what we need. Let's just
[1:35:29] Speaker 2: keep focusing on Halliburton. I was not suggesting that Halliburton
[1:35:31] Speaker 2: came to LA.
[1:35:32] Speaker 1: You're not?
[1:35:33] Speaker 2: He's going to stay where he at.
[1:35:34] Speaker 3: But how impressive has Tyrese Halliburton been in leading his
[1:35:37] Speaker 3: squad through their second straight Eastern Conference Finals? We talked
[1:35:41] Speaker 3: about this over the past couple weeks. Seems like the
[1:35:42] Speaker 3: Pacers are a team Slept on, don't get the love
[1:35:45] Speaker 3: that they deserve. No, they got swept in the Eastern
[1:35:47] Speaker 3: Conference Finals last year, but they are back this year again.
[1:35:50] Speaker 2: Wait, then they got swept in the Eastern Conference Finals?
[1:35:53] Speaker 2: The Celtics. He's been the best pure point guard in
[1:35:55] Speaker 2: the playoffs. And we did have that conversation a while back.
[1:36:00] Speaker 7: Running the team, running the show, no matter if he's
[1:36:02] Speaker 7: having a bad game or not, still finding ways to
[1:36:05] Speaker 7: win and showing up in big-time moments when the team
[1:36:09] Speaker 7: needs him.
[1:36:09] Speaker 2: And I just love the style of play. Not just
[1:36:13] Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
[1:36:14] Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, before that.
[1:36:15] Speaker 2: That's just who he is.
[1:36:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:36:17] Speaker 2: But I'm just saying since. Fast furs, low turnover.
[1:36:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:36:21] Speaker 2: You got to love that, man.
[1:36:23] Speaker 7: But, you know, since I feel like the overrated thing
[1:36:26] Speaker 7: where people have been, like, really paying attention to what
[1:36:27] Speaker 7: he's been doing.
[1:36:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're a dumbass list. It's special.
[1:36:32] Speaker 3: Been an underdog most of his career. I'm ranked in
[1:36:34] Speaker 3: high school. I got to start with the Kings. But
[1:36:38] Speaker 3: I'm just saying the ability and the trajectory to.
[1:36:41] Speaker 2: Best point guard, best guard? Yeah, I'm trying to get...
[1:36:44] Speaker 2: Your point guard is point guard. I'm just trying to
[1:36:46] Speaker 2: figure out.
[1:36:49] Speaker 1: If we ask, I guess, old school media, what is
[1:36:54] Speaker 1: the definition of a pure point guard? I know the
[1:36:57] Speaker 1: basic is think pass first. You pass first before you shoot.
[1:37:04] Speaker 1: But what is the stat on that? What is the
[1:37:07] Speaker 1: actual stat on pure point? What classifies you as a
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: pure point before you jump into just.
[1:37:15] Speaker 2: Point guard.
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: Point guard. We know there's a number on scoring guard.
[1:37:21] Speaker 1: What is the... Would.
[1:37:22] Speaker 2: You call Magic a pure point guard? John Stockton, his assistant.
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: No. Who? I call Magic Johnson a power forward that
[1:37:30] Speaker 1: was gifted like a motherfucker that made... because he had
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: vision like God.
[1:37:36] Speaker 2: More important for you.
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: And I think that's where it got fucked up at
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: because of the unicorn. A guy who's a small four,
[1:37:43] Speaker 1: I can put the ball in his hand, and he
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: was magic. You know what I mean?
[1:37:48] Speaker 4: Somebody that fits that, like he's saying, it's the... Of course,
[1:37:52] Speaker 4: pass first, low... I ain't gonna say low turnovers. Whatever
[1:37:56] Speaker 4: the turnovers are, you want them to be low, of course.
[1:37:59] Speaker 4: It's just the floor generalship of it.
[1:38:02] Speaker 2: You are.
[1:38:04] Speaker 4: You're dictating shots. Chris Paul is that. Right?
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:38:10] Speaker 4: He is your modern-day, typical, I'm shooting second no matter what.
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:38:22] Speaker 2: Everybody else, unless I got it, I'm shooting second. So
[1:38:27] Speaker 2: even if you lead your team in scoring, do you
[1:38:29] Speaker 2: still consider... if you're doing that? Yeah, if you're leading
[1:38:32] Speaker 2: your team in scoring. If you're shooting second?
[1:38:34] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, I'm trying to fit, because I've seen an
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: interview with Hallie, and they said pure point guards. And
[1:38:43] Speaker 1: he said, I don't think I'm a pure point guard.
[1:38:45] Speaker 1: I don't think it exists anymore. I think what ended
[1:38:48] Speaker 1: up happening is they told us we need to do more.
[1:38:50] Speaker 1: We don't want pure point guards because the the thought
[1:38:53] Speaker 1: of a pure, like.
[1:38:54] Speaker 2: Even back in the day.
[1:38:55] Speaker 4: But he is that dope.
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: But he's the one who took away the notion.
[1:38:59] Speaker 4: He tried to, but he played that way.
[1:39:01] Speaker 7: A pure point guard is like, I feel like John
[1:39:05] Speaker 7: Stockton is a pure point guard.
[1:39:06] Speaker 2: He scored, he got assists, and he got steals. You're
[1:39:11] Speaker 2: talking about like a Chris Paul averaging 21 and 12.
[1:39:13] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Jason Kidd is a pure point guard.
[1:39:17] Speaker 2: But what I'm saying, but that. But he still shoots second.
[1:39:20] Speaker 2: I can score.
[1:39:21] Speaker 4: I shoot a high percentage.
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
[1:39:24] Speaker 4: Chris Paul has always shot a, you know what I'm saying?
[1:39:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:39:27] Speaker 4: Two and three, shoot a high percentage, he makes free throws,
[1:39:31] Speaker 4: so his points are not coming without of the, he's
[1:39:34] Speaker 4: not hunting. These guards nowadays, they are, shit, they are
[1:39:39] Speaker 4: hunting that shot first, right?
[1:39:41] Speaker 1: It ain't just.
[1:39:42] Speaker 4: Chris Paul, no matter, he can average 21. He still
[1:39:46] Speaker 4: is shoot second.
[1:39:47] Speaker 3: I'm just talking about his third season in the league
[1:39:48] Speaker 3: when he finished second in MVP voting.
[1:39:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, he's shoot second.
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: Led the league in assists, but still gave me 21
[1:39:53] Speaker 1: of them things.
[1:39:53] Speaker 2: You got Jason Kidd.
[1:39:54] Speaker 4: Shoot second.
[1:39:55] Speaker 2: You got John Stockton.
[1:39:56] Speaker 1: They shoot third, fourth, fifth. No, what I'm saying is
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: how many points versus assists do you need to be
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: in before you become like.
[1:40:04] Speaker 2: So, I don't think there's a number on it.
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: No.
[1:40:07] Speaker 8: It.
[1:40:09] Speaker 4: I don't think it's because, like you said, Chris Paul
[1:40:10] Speaker 4: averaged 21 and 12.
[1:40:12] Speaker 1: So 21 and 12. So that's what I'm saying. Like,
[1:40:13] Speaker 1: if I average 21 and 7? Nah.
[1:40:16] Speaker 2: Okay, so.
[1:40:18] Speaker 1: Okay, so no. No, that doesn't, no.
[1:40:19] Speaker 2: I don't think so.
[1:40:20] Speaker 8: No.
[1:40:21] Speaker 2: No, you got to be, you got to be in
[1:40:22] Speaker 2: that 10. Because you can stumble.
[1:40:23] Speaker 1: Because the ball is in your hand.
[1:40:25] Speaker 2: You can stumble into 7 assists. J.
[1:40:26] Speaker 1: Kidd, J. Kidd is a proof. Right?
[1:40:28] Speaker 2: You can stumble into 7 assists.
[1:40:30] Speaker 1: Okay, so now, now somebody who will fit pure point
[1:40:33] Speaker 1: guard but don't average that. Yes.
[1:40:36] Speaker 2: Would then be.
[1:40:38] Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball. He's the definition of a pure point guard.
[1:40:45] Speaker 2: His brother.
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: He jumps into another realm.
[1:40:49] Speaker 7: His brother got hurt, but his brother was more of
[1:40:51] Speaker 7: a pure point guard.
[1:40:53] Speaker 4: Lonzo is a pure point guard. Lonzo is a pure
[1:40:56] Speaker 4: point guard. LaMelo is the opposite.
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: When you talk about pure, he's never going to average
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: 11 assists.
[1:41:03] Speaker 3: He don't play the game like that. Like when you
[1:41:07] Speaker 3: talk about... He hasn't been on a team where he's
[1:41:08] Speaker 3: been capable to do that.
[1:41:09] Speaker 1: Like Rondo.
[1:41:11] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:41:13] Speaker 1: J-Kid. Like....
[1:41:16] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[1:41:17] Speaker 1: It's just like some of the.
[1:41:18] Speaker 4: So just take Darren Williams. Darren Williams averaged... But he
[1:41:21] Speaker 4: let his team in assists. But it's like, what is
[1:41:23] Speaker 4: that number though? He can average nine. He averaged nine.
[1:41:25] Speaker 2: Is he... But you still don't... You look at Darren like,
[1:41:28] Speaker 2: he's a scorer first.
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Right?
[1:41:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:41:32] Speaker 1: Okay. Like if I told you.
[1:41:34] Speaker 2: Andre Miller.
[1:41:35] Speaker 1: Pure point. And he's not going to average 11 assists.
[1:41:39] Speaker 2: Like, you know, because if we say.
[1:41:40] Speaker 1: James Harden, he don't hell no.
[1:41:42] Speaker 2: No.
[1:41:43] Speaker 1: He got the assist.
[1:41:44] Speaker 2: But he's not.
[1:41:46] Speaker 1: But you see what I'm saying? So it's like there's
[1:41:49] Speaker 1: this real fine line before Darren Williams.
[1:41:52] Speaker 2: Ricky Rubio was a pure. Whenever I start talking about people,
[1:41:53] Speaker 2: I just start looking at their.
[1:41:54] Speaker 1: Like Ricky Rubio was a pure.
[1:41:55] Speaker 2: See, I always assume like. 18 and 19 and 11.
[1:42:00] Speaker 2: Darren Williams. You know what I mean?
[1:42:01] Speaker 1: Like.
[1:42:02] Speaker 2: Like 17 and 9. What is that?
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:42:08] Speaker 2: I'll give you that. Who is that?
[1:42:10] Speaker 1: Mulberry.
[1:42:11] Speaker 4: Oh.
[1:42:12] Speaker 1: You see what I mean?
[1:42:14] Speaker 4: So if it was somebody there, I thought them stats
[1:42:16] Speaker 4: was now.
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: Right? 17-9 then. Hallie very close to that right now.
[1:42:20] Speaker 8: 17-9 then.
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: 17-9 then?
[1:42:21] Speaker 5: Yes.
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: Yes. What was he called? Ball.
[1:42:22] Speaker 5: Ball.
[1:42:22] Speaker 1: Because he did. Look for his shot first. Huh?
[1:42:32] Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.
[1:42:33] Speaker 4: What was who?
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson.
[1:42:35] Speaker 2: He was 19-9 his career. So, Howie averaged 19-9 regular season.
[1:42:38] Speaker 2: I think he's about 18-9. I'm looking at the same step.
[1:42:40] Speaker 2: This postseason.
[1:42:41] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:42:42] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:42:43] Speaker 4: Athletic, gifted point guard was.
[1:42:47] Speaker 2: So, those other guards....
[1:42:50] Speaker 4: But at any given time, he might put his head
[1:42:52] Speaker 4: down and go get one, right?
[1:42:53] Speaker 7: So what about like Baron Davis and like Steve Francis,
[1:42:57] Speaker 7: those guys?
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: Now, Baron Davis is a tricky one because Baron Davis
[1:43:01] Speaker 1: is a pure point guard, his brain. But he was.
[1:43:05] Speaker 2: Skilled enough to score. He's like, he reminds me of
[1:43:09] Speaker 2: more of.
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: A Hallie type.
[1:43:11] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:43:12] Speaker 5: Right?
[1:43:12] Speaker 1: If I got a guy on my, if I got
[1:43:13] Speaker 1: a team that can go do their thing, right? I'll
[1:43:17] Speaker 1: defer all day. I'll sit here and do all that.
[1:43:21] Speaker 1: I'll get 15 assists, you know what I mean? But
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: if I see motherfuckers that's not fucking, then I'm going
[1:43:25] Speaker 1: to go score 20-something.
[1:43:27] Speaker 2: So he reminds me of.
[1:43:28] Speaker 1: Kind of like, Halle, you can remind me of, who
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: else is like that, where they can average 12 assists,
[1:43:37] Speaker 1: like same thing with Trey Young, right? I don't have
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: to be a score. Like I heard Derrick Rose, right?
[1:43:46] Speaker 1: when he said, I wasn't a scorer. They made me
[1:43:49] Speaker 1: a scorer. Right? And it's like some guys, they're just
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: gifted enough. Like, if Hallie wants to average 30, he can.
[1:43:56] Speaker 1: He has the ability. He has the shot. He has
[1:43:59] Speaker 1: the pick and roll. He has the system. So he
[1:44:02] Speaker 1: defers more than, like, if Shea want to average 12 assists,
[1:44:05] Speaker 1: ain't nobody stopping him.
[1:44:07] Speaker 4: I think that's his next step.
[1:44:08] Speaker 1: He's going to manipulate the game so much.
[1:44:10] Speaker 2: I think that's his next step. He can do it, too,
[1:44:11] Speaker 2: because he's got the ball. I think that's his next step.
[1:44:14] Speaker 2: What about Jamal Tinsley? He was a pure. He was
[1:44:16] Speaker 2: a pure point guard.
[1:44:17] Speaker 1: Pure, pure.
[1:44:18] Speaker 4: Absolutely. He's pass fourth. I mean, he's shoot fourth guy.
[1:44:23] Speaker 4: Everybody else is going to get a shot before them all.
[1:44:25] Speaker 4: So it's not.
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: Necessarily, I guess it's not necessarily, it's the assist. The
[1:44:30] Speaker 1: assist doesn't dictate if you are a pure, just how
[1:44:33] Speaker 1: you play the game.
[1:44:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
[1:44:36] Speaker 1: Because I heard him, when he said it, I had
[1:44:37] Speaker 1: thought about it. When Hallie said it, he was like,
[1:44:39] Speaker 1: you know, now you can't just be a pass guy.
[1:44:42] Speaker 1: You've got to be able to put the ball in
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: the basket, too, because the game is going to dictate it.
[1:44:46] Speaker 1: And when he said it, I'm like... Because at that position, yes, right?
[1:44:50] Speaker 1: At that one and that two position in the NBA,
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: you've got to be able to go get a bucket
[1:44:54] Speaker 1: when you need one, right? You've got to be able
[1:44:56] Speaker 1: to break your man down. And if it's there, like,
[1:45:00] Speaker 1: you break him down in the first three quarters.
[1:45:03] Speaker 4: Now, like, he's proven. You break him down in the
[1:45:04] Speaker 4: first three quarters. It's boom, boom, boom.
[1:45:06] Speaker 1: Here.
[1:45:06] Speaker 4: Boom, boom, boom.
[1:45:07] Speaker 8: Here.
[1:45:07] Speaker 1: Boom, boom.
[1:45:08] Speaker 2: Now it's boom, boom, boom. The fourth quarter.
[1:45:10] Speaker 4: Now I'm looking for my offense now. And when I
[1:45:14] Speaker 4: get to certain spots, now it's Pascal, Siakam, here you go.
[1:45:18] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:45:18] Speaker 2: It's Neymar, here you go. Naismith, here you go.
[1:45:21] Speaker 3: But Howie's still having that killer instinct, though, when it's
[1:45:23] Speaker 3: time to go get a bucket.
[1:45:24] Speaker 4: It's a bucket no matter what. We're going to get
[1:45:26] Speaker 4: a good shot. With him, that's the thing.
[1:45:27] Speaker 1: So what.
[1:45:30] Speaker 4: The to add on to the conversation that we're having
[1:45:32] Speaker 4: to make sure we get a good shot right to
[1:45:35] Speaker 4: make sure we get a good quality shot every possession.
[1:45:40] Speaker 4: Some might it might be me like Jalen Brunson is
[1:45:43] Speaker 4: I'm going to make sure that pass might be third
[1:45:48] Speaker 4: for him in that situation, right? But it's going to
[1:45:50] Speaker 4: be a good shot.
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: It's going to be a good shot.
[1:45:52] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:45:53] Speaker 4: It's going to be his shot or free throws then
[1:45:57] Speaker 4: my teammates.
[1:45:59] Speaker 2: But we're getting a good one every time.
[1:46:01] Speaker 4: Other guys in the fourth quarter, when the game playoffs
[1:46:03] Speaker 4: end in the fourth quarter, we're getting a quality shot
[1:46:06] Speaker 4: every time.
[1:46:07] Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure.
[1:46:08] Speaker 4: When the ball is in my hand and I'm dictating.
[1:46:10] Speaker 2: These things, we're going to get a quality shot every position.
[1:46:12] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:46:12] Speaker 4: Low turnover, special late in the game, shit like that.
[1:46:14] Speaker 4: Just can't be kicking that bitch in the stands when
[1:46:17] Speaker 4: the game on the line, right?
[1:46:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess in today's game, you don't really want
[1:46:21] Speaker 1: the old traditional sense of a pure point.
[1:46:25] Speaker 2: They can't shoot. Yeah. Like, so you don't, like.
[1:46:30] Speaker 1: Minnesota's downfall is they have a pure point. They have
[1:46:35] Speaker 1: a real pure point, and it's like, what are you
[1:46:39] Speaker 1: doing with him? Because it's not like you're putting a
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: ball in his hand to let him manipulate the game.
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: You got him sitting in the corner doing corner shit.
[1:46:48] Speaker 1: Mike Conley?
[1:46:49] Speaker 4: Conley.
[1:46:50] Speaker 2: He's shooting 26% and 36%.
[1:46:52] Speaker 1: Because that's not how he play.
[1:46:53] Speaker 4: 26% from the field.
[1:46:56] Speaker 2: He becomes a second option.
[1:46:58] Speaker 1: At this point, in how you play the game or
[1:47:02] Speaker 1: how your team is functioning, your team is functioning as
[1:47:06] Speaker 1: Ant-Man is the primary point.
[1:47:09] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[1:47:10] Speaker 1: Which means.
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: You need to have DiVincenzo as your starting because he's
[1:47:15] Speaker 1: the shooting guard, or you need to have young Rob
[1:47:17] Speaker 1: over that motherfucker come in and just playing wild man
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: basketball because for the most part, 90% of the ball
[1:47:23] Speaker 1: is going to be in Ant-Man's hands. Now when you
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: have your pure point out there, being a shooting guard,
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: he's sitting there.
[1:47:29] Speaker 2: Like, yeah, this... So he's... What I do.
[1:47:35] Speaker 1: Now he's just wasted minutes because now he becomes... You're
[1:47:41] Speaker 1: a primary shooter, and that's not what he do. He's
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: pick and roll, manipulate, all right, get a good shot,
[1:47:46] Speaker 1: and you done took him out the game. It is
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: Chauncey playing with Chris Paul. Yes.
[1:47:50] Speaker 2: Chauncey playing with Chris Paul. And he's sitting there like,
[1:47:55] Speaker 2: so I'm Rip Hamilton now.
[1:47:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:47:58] Speaker 2: What would you.
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: Call John Wall?
[1:48:02] Speaker 2: I'll call John Wall a pure point.
[1:48:04] Speaker 8: Okay.
[1:48:04] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, John Wall's nature was to pass the ball
[1:48:08] Speaker 1: and realize when he got to the NBA, yeah, these
[1:48:10] Speaker 1: motherfuckers can't stay in front. They slow. You know? Yeah.
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: All right.
[1:48:13] Speaker 4: Fuck.
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: It was 6-4, 6-4.
[1:48:17] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: Is easy. Hey, I see you, but hey, this is crazy.
[1:48:28] Speaker 3: Like we talked about, it's looking like we're going to
[1:48:30] Speaker 3: get a rematch from the playoffs last season. Pacers are Nick.
[1:48:33] Speaker 3: Nick's up 3-1 to the Celtics. Obviously, Celtics lost Jason Tatum.
[1:48:36] Speaker 3: I love that shit, man.
[1:48:38] Speaker 4: I love teams playing in multiple years back-to-back because you
[1:48:41] Speaker 4: game one, dog. Hey, somebody getting kicked out, tech, something
[1:48:45] Speaker 4: game one.
[1:48:47] Speaker 2: That's going to be crazy.
[1:48:48] Speaker 1: Indiana, whatever you did last year, throw that shit out
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: the window. Don't go off of last year's game plan. No,
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: they played Boston last year. I'm saying, but the... Took
[1:48:58] Speaker 1: the Knicks to seven, beat them to game seven.
[1:49:00] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Brunson was hurt, had the janky hand.
[1:49:02] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: Whatever you did last year, take that shit out the
[1:49:05] Speaker 1: window because they got old.
[1:49:07] Speaker 2: You got to.
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: This is a new game plan.
[1:49:09] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:49:10] Speaker 2: Seem to still match up very, very nicely.
[1:49:12] Speaker 3: Just depends on if this Pacer squad can kick it
[1:49:15] Speaker 3: up even more of a notch. But, Mr. B, do
[1:49:17] Speaker 3: you like the Pacer chances against the Knicks potentially in
[1:49:20] Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference Finals? We know it's going to happen, though.
[1:49:22] Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
[1:49:23] Speaker 7: How they got a lot of chip on his shoulder.
[1:49:25] Speaker 7: And they've been playing well, and I just like the
[1:49:28] Speaker 7: way their team is. I just like that, like I
[1:49:30] Speaker 7: said before, seven, eight guys can score in double figures
[1:49:32] Speaker 7: in scoring. And no disrespect to Brunson, but, you know,
[1:49:36] Speaker 7: Brunson's been playing well.
[1:49:37] Speaker 2: The Knicks have been playing well.
[1:49:38] Speaker 7: But I just like what the pace is on right now.
[1:49:44] Speaker 2: I got highly going to the final.
[1:49:46] Speaker 3: You've been very pro-highly in this postseason. It's benefited you
[1:49:50] Speaker 3: to this point. Can you think the Pacers got a chance?
[1:49:53] Speaker 1: Anytime you get to the Eastern Conference Finals, dog, you
[1:49:56] Speaker 1: got a chance.
[1:49:57] Speaker 4: You're playing very good basketball, you get out the first round.
[1:49:59] Speaker 4: You're playing better basketball, you get out the second round.
[1:50:03] Speaker 4: Your confidence grows with playing the style that you've played
[1:50:08] Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference Finals or the Western Conference Finals,
[1:50:10] Speaker 4: whichever one you reach. Yeah, so once you reach this
[1:50:15] Speaker 4: point of it, yeah, you got a real chance.
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:50:20] Speaker 4: The odds makers and all that shit, them odds they
[1:50:23] Speaker 4: come up with, man, I got a real 50-50 shot
[1:50:24] Speaker 4: at this thing, man. So we just got to show up,
[1:50:27] Speaker 4: continue to be us. And hoop, man. It's all about
[1:50:34] Speaker 4: right now, wheel against wheel, man. Let's go out and
[1:50:38] Speaker 4: fucking compete. Everybody tired. Are you ready?
[1:50:41] Speaker 2: Yeah!
[1:50:45] Speaker 1: Yeah! It's New York time, man. The city on fire.
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: Them motherfuckers ain't slept since they won game one.
[1:50:54] Speaker 2: How they going to be like this? New York ain't sleep.
[1:51:00] Speaker 2: Business has been open, man.
[1:51:02] Speaker 1: Them motherfuckers ain't sleep right now, man.
[1:51:04] Speaker 3: Crime has gone down significantly in New York.
[1:51:07] Speaker 1: We need everybody. Nobody dying. New Yorkers don't.
[1:51:09] Speaker 2: Feel like shooting each other. This is winning. Borough's coming together.
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: I was about to kill you, boy, but I need
[1:51:19] Speaker 1: you to be yelling.
[1:51:20] Speaker 3: I'll see you after the series, guys. Who saw that
[1:51:23] Speaker 3: video on Twitter? We're not even trying to kill nobody
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: right now.
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: We need all the people right now. All the barrows
[1:51:29] Speaker 1: is gone. I just think, you know what I mean?
[1:51:31] Speaker 1: It's just how the city is right now. You're talking
[1:51:36] Speaker 1: from the Liberty. Just everything is moving very well for
[1:51:43] Speaker 1: New York Period.
[1:51:46] Speaker 2: Just across the board. Long time Knicks fan, Gilbert Arena. No, no, no.
[1:51:50] Speaker 1: Listen.
[1:51:51] Speaker 2: Everybody asked me. They was like, wow.
[1:51:52] Speaker 1: Them wasn't even... Them wasn't even Tims.
[1:51:59] Speaker 2: And I said... They were a pair of Tims.
[1:52:00] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I'm level one. You don't
[1:52:04] Speaker 1: get the Tim boots. Level one, you just get the...
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: You're in the color, the hat. You don't get... You
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: don't get this thing. The... SMD. I don't get to
[1:52:15] Speaker 1: use that yet. I don't get the butters. I don't
[1:52:18] Speaker 1: even get the Black Air Forces right now.
[1:52:20] Speaker 2: No SMD.
[1:52:21] Speaker 1: No SMD. I don't even, I haven't leveled up to
[1:52:23] Speaker 1: that yet. I'm still on my trial run. Free!
[1:52:26] Speaker 3: Chad wants you to know, appropriate number of R's though
[1:52:29] Speaker 3: in your year.
[1:52:29] Speaker 2: So just... Yeah, I get three. It's three, you know
[1:52:33] Speaker 2: what I mean?
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: Low level, you know, I get the low level mixtape.
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: Those are the ones I get right now. Low level mixtape.
[1:52:41] Speaker 3: Low level mixtape, you know. So we asked the chat,
[1:52:44] Speaker 3: who wins the Eastern Conference Finals? 63% said the Knicks.
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: Of course.
[1:52:48] Speaker 3: 32% said the Pacers. But 5% said the Celtics.
[1:52:53] Speaker 2: Because it ain't over yet.
[1:52:57] Speaker 7: That 5% they holding strong.
[1:53:00] Speaker 2: I love chaos, so I wouldn't be mad either way.
[1:53:04] Speaker 1: Win one more.
[1:53:05] Speaker 2: Just win.
[1:53:06] Speaker 1: Make it interesting. Make it real interesting.
[1:53:10] Speaker 2: Get it to six.
[1:53:12] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, this is wishful thinking. I mean, you know,
[1:53:19] Speaker 1: Boston can get this game, you know. playing awful. We
[1:53:23] Speaker 1: love Jason Tatum. We playing in the energy. We can
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: do it without him. You can do that shit at home. Yeah,
[1:53:30] Speaker 1: but reality kicks in.
[1:53:31] Speaker 2: He ain't there. He ain't there. That peer shooter ain't there.
[1:53:36] Speaker 1: The guy who's going to come in and create double
[1:53:38] Speaker 1: teams is not there.
[1:53:40] Speaker 2: Y'all going to have.
[1:53:40] Speaker 1: To play real basketball and you're going to have to
[1:53:44] Speaker 1: take real basketball shots to do shit you ain't been
[1:53:48] Speaker 1: doing all year. I got to play go to hell ball.
[1:53:51] Speaker 4: And You got a finals MVP over there.
[1:53:53] Speaker 2: And I'm going to a city. You got a finals
[1:53:56] Speaker 2: MVP over there.
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool, but a finals MVP ain't coming because
[1:54:02] Speaker 1: you are the number one option and you are initiating
[1:54:05] Speaker 1: the offense and you are commanding double teams. No, Derek
[1:54:09] Speaker 1: White and we got... No, I mean, but what I'm
[1:54:10] Speaker 1: saying is it's easy to play some real basketball when
[1:54:14] Speaker 1: they get the double deck.
[1:54:15] Speaker 2: Motherfucker, first. Listen, we could just play.
[1:54:16] Speaker 1: And then we go. Like, it's easy for Murray and it's...
[1:54:20] Speaker 1: Here we go. It's easy for Christian Brown to go
[1:54:24] Speaker 1: six for six for the three-point line. It's easy for
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. to go six for six from the
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: three-point line because they don't create those shots. There's a
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: person that's getting doubled first and all six of those
[1:54:42] Speaker 1: shots is going to be wide open.
[1:54:45] Speaker 2: So if he ever goes six for six.
[1:54:48] Speaker 1: He don't get a standing ovation because it's not like
[1:54:50] Speaker 1: he came down that motherfucker, did some of these. No,
[1:54:53] Speaker 1: it was, ah, where you at? You still got to
[1:54:56] Speaker 1: make them, though. There you go. Yeah. You still got
[1:54:58] Speaker 1: to make them, though. Now he has to, fuck making them.
[1:55:01] Speaker 1: He has to create it. Then he got to make,
[1:55:04] Speaker 1: then he got to go through the double teams.
[1:55:06] Speaker 7: Three games. Gil, there's other people that can create, too,
[1:55:10] Speaker 7: on that team. Now you got to create it off
[1:55:11] Speaker 7: the first. We can just play go to hell.
[1:55:14] Speaker 1: Like, if Jokic is off, if we take, like, We're
[1:55:17] Speaker 1: watching it in real time. We're watching Golden State. You
[1:55:20] Speaker 1: take the one entity off the court and we say, score.
[1:55:25] Speaker 1: With that entity. They're like, yeah. Yeah, but that. And
[1:55:28] Speaker 1: Kaminga said, I got it. Yeah, it becomes a different game.
[1:55:31] Speaker 7: Yeah, but that entity is a top five player ever.
[1:55:33] Speaker 2: It don't matter who it is.
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: If I take the main source off the court.
[1:55:40] Speaker 2: And say, all right, y'all go out there and do your.
[1:55:41] Speaker 1: Thing now, man. Yeah, what's the record without Tatum this year?
[1:55:44] Speaker 1: I believe eight and two, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
[1:55:46] Speaker 1: eight and two. Now it's eight and two and double team.
[1:55:48] Speaker 1: Now we know the game plan. We know there's a
[1:55:50] Speaker 1: game plan. This ain't regular season. The playoffs has been
[1:55:54] Speaker 1: showing these teams this shit ain't regular season. I have
[1:55:58] Speaker 1: a blueprint of your game. And the blueprint is that, hey,
[1:56:03] Speaker 1: now we... Hey, we doubling you now. Okay, yeah. I mean,
[1:56:07] Speaker 1: you're up 3-1.
[1:56:07] Speaker 2: We doubling you now. You're up 3-1. You're going to
[1:56:09] Speaker 2: be Tatum.
[1:56:10] Speaker 1: Cool. We're going to double you. Who's going to be
[1:56:14] Speaker 1: Brown that's sitting in the corner? Who you want that
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: to be?
[1:56:16] Speaker 2: P-Rabbit.
[1:56:17] Speaker 1: Derrick White.
[1:56:18] Speaker 2: Derrick White is Derrick White. He's going to sit in
[1:56:19] Speaker 2: the same position he was.
[1:56:21] Speaker 1: Drew Holiday. Drew Holiday is going to be Drew Holiday.
[1:56:23] Speaker 2: He's sitting in the same position he was.
[1:56:24] Speaker 1: Six men out of here. Yeah, who that is?
[1:56:26] Speaker 4: Pritchard.
[1:56:27] Speaker 1: Who's going to be Pritchard coming off the bench? Starting.
[1:56:30] Speaker 1: You see how the game changes?
[1:56:31] Speaker 2: We're going to start it.
[1:56:32] Speaker 10: But do you see it changes? They can play all
[1:56:35] Speaker 10: 48 tonight. They're going to have to. So you can
[1:56:38] Speaker 10: win this game because of power. If you get back
[1:56:41] Speaker 10: to New York, boy, you might get blown out by 30.
[1:56:44] Speaker 2: But that's my question for you.
[1:56:45] Speaker 3: Obviously, you know the Knicks want to wrap this series
[1:56:46] Speaker 3: up as quick as possible and have to do that
[1:56:49] Speaker 3: on the Celtics. But being able to come back to
[1:56:51] Speaker 3: the Garden. win game six, how turnt up the city
[1:56:55] Speaker 3: will be.
[1:56:56] Speaker 2: Oh, no, that'd be crazy.
[1:56:57] Speaker 1: The city ain't allowing it to get back.
[1:56:59] Speaker 2: Eddie's going to come down from the stands.
[1:57:01] Speaker 1: Eddie's going to come down.
[1:57:02] Speaker 2: Eddie is coming down.
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: This game right here is pretty easy for Boston to
[1:57:09] Speaker 1: try to win it because they really, like, down 3-1,
[1:57:16] Speaker 1: down 3-0 as the team, like Cleveland Cavaliers, right? Some
[1:57:26] Speaker 1: of those, there's only, it's usually three players versus the team,
[1:57:34] Speaker 1: their own team. Because some, remember, this is a team sport.
[1:57:39] Speaker 1: This is not like boxing where I'm down and I
[1:57:41] Speaker 1: just got to, this last round, I can beat this motherfucker, right?
[1:57:46] Speaker 4: I can beat him.
[1:57:47] Speaker 1: I really believe. And you go out there and do
[1:57:51] Speaker 1: some shit that only you believed. Well, when you're talking
[1:57:55] Speaker 1: about team, and you have that belief, and a few
[1:57:59] Speaker 1: of them got the belief that, motherfucker, I want to
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: go home. Like, I already put it in my mind
[1:58:04] Speaker 1: I want to go home. I don't want to be
[1:58:06] Speaker 1: out here no more. I'm done.
[1:58:07] Speaker 2: Fuck you, niggas, man.
[1:58:09] Speaker 1: That is a mindset 15 players at least 5 of
[1:58:14] Speaker 1: them want to go home they done already called and
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: did all that so you playing against that too.
[1:58:20] Speaker 2: Well, we will find out. They champions.
[1:58:22] Speaker 1: You know, that's what I said. It's easy for the Cavs, really.
[1:58:25] Speaker 1: When you watch the game, some of them packed it up.
[1:58:27] Speaker 1: Some of them already had their cars shipped out. We
[1:58:29] Speaker 1: will be watching on playback. Right? Am I right? Am
[1:58:32] Speaker 1: I right? You really playing against a motherfucker like, yo,
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: come on, dog.
[1:58:37] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: Come on, man.
[1:58:39] Speaker 2: Come on, man. I said, come on, dog. This is crazy.
[1:58:41] Speaker 3: We will be watching the game on playback. You wide open, motherfucker.
[1:58:45] Speaker 3: This is what you're doing out here. Playback.tv slash Gilbert Arenas.
[1:58:51] Speaker 3: For this Knicks game, he will be wearing his Timbs
[1:58:53] Speaker 3: in a do-right.
[1:58:54] Speaker 4: Donovan went to the line, missed him three free throws yesterday.
[1:58:58] Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this motherfucker point-shaving, man. But then
[1:59:02] Speaker 4: he came back the next possession, made the three. I
[1:59:04] Speaker 4: was like, oh, he's motherfucking trying to make it look good.
[1:59:07] Speaker 4: But let's talk Cavs.
[1:59:07] Speaker 3: So after getting knocked out of the playoffs, Donovan Mitchell
[1:59:10] Speaker 3: was still in shock, coming back on the court shortly
[1:59:13] Speaker 3: after the game, taking a seat on the Cavs bench
[1:59:15] Speaker 3: by himself to reflect on the disappointing end to the season.
[1:59:19] Speaker 3: During his post-game press conference, Mitch Ross reflected on the
[1:59:22] Speaker 3: series and the criticism that awaits, but had a message
[1:59:24] Speaker 3: for Cavs fans and his team.
[1:59:26] Speaker 14: It's tough to win this league. Give them credit. We
[1:59:30] Speaker 14: didn't do the things necessary. I love playing in that
[1:59:33] Speaker 14: fucking arena, man. Like that energy, that crowd rolling three
[1:59:38] Speaker 14: at home, you know, let the city down. And that's,
[1:59:42] Speaker 14: this place is special. This place is really special.
[1:59:46] Speaker 2: And, We ain't get it done, Chris.
[1:59:51] Speaker 1: I guess.
[1:59:53] Speaker 9: Especially at home. That's what hurts, you know?
[1:59:55] Speaker 4: Um....
[1:59:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:59:59] Speaker 14: We're gonna be down like this and y'all are gonna
[2:00:02] Speaker 14: write some shit about us, man.
[2:00:06] Speaker 9: And that's gonna be fuel.
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: Like, you know?
[2:00:09] Speaker 9: Fuel for everybody. Y'all gonna say a lot of shit.
[2:00:12] Speaker 9: Y'all are. And that's what it takes.
[2:00:15] Speaker 2: I've been here.
[2:00:19] Speaker 1: So.
[2:00:19] Speaker 9: I understand, we understand, and now we just got to
[2:00:22] Speaker 9: use it as fuel.
[2:00:24] Speaker 2: For next year.
[2:00:24] Speaker 14: Y'all going to write us the fuck off, man.
[2:00:30] Speaker 9: We'll be back. Let City down, let each other down.
[2:00:36] Speaker 9: We'll be back.
[2:00:40] Speaker 3: So Cavs started season 15 straight wins, became second team
[2:00:43] Speaker 3: in league history with three 12-game winning streaks in the
[2:00:45] Speaker 3: same season.
[2:00:46] Speaker 2: I thought Sugar was clapping.
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: My bad.
[2:00:48] Speaker 2: You're emotional over there. Don't worry.
[2:00:53] Speaker 1: See you in Cancun.
[2:00:55] Speaker 3: They were missing Darius Garland for the first two games
[2:00:58] Speaker 3: of the series, and without Evan Mobley and DeAndre Hunter
[2:01:00] Speaker 3: in game two, still got hit with the gentleman's sweep
[2:01:02] Speaker 3: in the second round. Cavs had 64 wins this season,
[2:01:05] Speaker 3: which is tied for the third most wins in the
[2:01:06] Speaker 3: season for a team that didn't advance past the second
[2:01:09] Speaker 3: round of the playoffs.
[2:01:11] Speaker 2: Also had the coach of the year, Kenny Atkinson.
[2:01:14] Speaker 3: Should the Cavs run it back next season or look
[2:01:16] Speaker 3: to make some moves to strengthen the roster?
[2:01:21] Speaker 2: I think they should run it back. I mean, I
[2:01:23] Speaker 2: think just injury.
[2:01:26] Speaker 7: I mean, I think if they was fully healthy, they
[2:01:28] Speaker 7: really would have a chance. Losing Darius Garland with the toe.
[2:01:31] Speaker 7: Evan Mobley.
[2:01:33] Speaker 2: Coach of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year.
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: Jared Allen.
[2:01:35] Speaker 2: Highest scoring team in the regular season.
[2:01:37] Speaker 7: I don't think they're frontrunners and stuff like that, but
[2:01:40] Speaker 7: I just think injury. I mean, happens to a lot
[2:01:41] Speaker 7: of teams every year in the playoffs. So, when you
[2:01:44] Speaker 7: don't have, you know, Donovan Mitchell's out there playing without
[2:01:47] Speaker 7: three All-Stars.
[2:01:48] Speaker 2: I mean, how are you going to win?
[2:01:50] Speaker 1: Hmm. Yeah, that's one way to look at it.
[2:01:58] Speaker 2: What is the other way?
[2:02:00] Speaker 1: You can look at your team and say, yeah, we
[2:02:02] Speaker 1: had a great regular season. We was a great team.
[2:02:05] Speaker 1: We sacrificed coach of the year. And then, you know,
[2:02:09] Speaker 1: we're going to run it back the same. Or you
[2:02:11] Speaker 1: can be smart and really say, we was good, but
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: we wasn't championship good. We was Eastern Conference finals good,
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: but we wasn't championship good.
[2:02:23] Speaker 2: So let's get a little bit better. Let's upgrade some
[2:02:26] Speaker 2: of these pieces.
[2:02:28] Speaker 1: The worst thing to do is to think this team
[2:02:31] Speaker 1: was going to win a championship, go into the summer,
[2:02:34] Speaker 1: and then don't bring nobody in.
[2:02:37] Speaker 2: So you say even if they did win a chip.
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: They wasn't winning no chip. Yeah, but how can you
[2:02:42] Speaker 1: say that?
[2:02:43] Speaker 2: They wasn't winning no chip. They wasn't chip ready yet.
[2:02:46] Speaker 7: But getting there, you don't think they would have been
[2:02:47] Speaker 7: able to get there fully healthy?
[2:02:51] Speaker 1: Don't know. But I'm just saying, I'm not going to
[2:02:54] Speaker 1: look at the team. You got guys that didn't even
[2:02:56] Speaker 1: come out and try playing game two. I'm not going
[2:03:00] Speaker 1: to look at my roster and say, we're going to
[2:03:02] Speaker 1: run this.
[2:03:03] Speaker 2: No, I'm going to upgrade. You didn't even try. For
[2:03:06] Speaker 2: what game?
[2:03:07] Speaker 4: Game two.
[2:03:08] Speaker 1: Hunter Mobley.
[2:03:11] Speaker 2: You don't even suit up.
[2:03:15] Speaker 1: We lost game one.
[2:03:17] Speaker 2: It might be.
[2:03:18] Speaker 4: But you played the next game. No, that don't work, man,
[2:03:21] Speaker 4: in this. You ain't even try. Like, go out, fucking
[2:03:27] Speaker 4: warm up, then tell me, listen, man, I ain't got it.
[2:03:32] Speaker 4: Give me a shot of fucking Toradol. It's a playoffs game, too.
[2:03:37] Speaker 4: We lost game one at home.
[2:03:39] Speaker 1: That shit mean, like, when I saw both of.
[2:03:42] Speaker 4: Them dudes wasn't playing, man, I'm like, oh, they ain't
[2:03:44] Speaker 4: going to beat nobody.
[2:03:45] Speaker 1: The mentality.
[2:03:47] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
[2:03:48] Speaker 4: You got to respect Darius Gardner. When we down, man,
[2:03:50] Speaker 4: I'm going to go out and try. My toe is
[2:03:52] Speaker 4: fucked up. I'm going to try. He got that bitch
[2:03:54] Speaker 4: limping around. You can visibly see. I didn't see no
[2:03:58] Speaker 4: signs of Evan Mobley being labored. I didn't see no
[2:04:01] Speaker 4: signs of DeAndre Hunter being labored. Game three and four.
[2:04:06] Speaker 4: I didn't see that game three and four.
[2:04:07] Speaker 2: Follow through on the push.
[2:04:08] Speaker 1: Right? He looked fine. His wrist looked fine when he
[2:04:11] Speaker 1: went in push. Benjamin, motherfucking master, he looked fine to
[2:04:13] Speaker 1: me then.
[2:04:15] Speaker 4: So you, listen. You walked off the floor game one.
[2:04:21] Speaker 4: This is coming from the competitive nature of somebody. I
[2:04:23] Speaker 4: was just looking at how many playoff games I played.
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: Fucking a lot.
[2:04:28] Speaker 2: A lot of them. Was I healthy in all of them?
[2:04:31] Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Was I my best?
[2:04:34] Speaker 4: Absolutely not. But one thing them dudes, them other 14
[2:04:39] Speaker 4: guys in that locker room knew, I'm going to try
[2:04:43] Speaker 4: to fuck how I feel. You don't suit up, bruh.
[2:04:52] Speaker 4: Give me something. We already down Darius Gordon. We know
[2:04:56] Speaker 4: he ain't healthy. We know this going into the, he
[2:04:59] Speaker 4: missed game one. So him playing in game two is
[2:05:02] Speaker 4: slim and none.
[2:05:09] Speaker 1: We depend, we've got to this point, DeAndre Hunter, when
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: you came in, we started playing better.
[2:05:15] Speaker 4: Every moment, we rely on you nightly. It ain't just
[2:05:18] Speaker 4: your points. It's your defensive presence. It's you being out there.
[2:05:22] Speaker 4: It's something that we could use. When they didn't play
[2:05:26] Speaker 4: in game two, I'm like, they ain't going to beat nobody.
[2:05:29] Speaker 4: They ain't got no heart. I don't trust you. To
[2:05:35] Speaker 4: Gil's point, if I'm Donovan Mitchell, I'm going to that
[2:05:40] Speaker 4: motherfucker like, yo, man, we got to do something.
[2:05:44] Speaker 1: Who you got to go get? Who you got to
[2:05:46] Speaker 1: get rid of?
[2:05:47] Speaker 2: Ain't nobody coming there.
[2:05:48] Speaker 4: But my thing is, you can't... I'm hot if I'm
[2:05:52] Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell, man.
[2:05:54] Speaker 1: I'm labored.
[2:05:55] Speaker 4: I mean, I came into this with a bum ankle.
[2:05:59] Speaker 4: People can say, you know I'm a player. Everybody, we
[2:06:01] Speaker 4: all thought he playing. And in a doubt in our mind,
[2:06:05] Speaker 4: he was playing in game five. With a doubt in
[2:06:08] Speaker 4: our mind, he was playing. No matter how he felt.
[2:06:13] Speaker 4: That's why he said after the second half of game four,
[2:06:15] Speaker 4: the game, they're down 40.
[2:06:19] Speaker 8: Right?
[2:06:19] Speaker 4: You come out game two of you, DeAndre Hunter, and you,
[2:06:21] Speaker 4: Evan Mobley, it get that way, and you be like, listen, man,
[2:06:24] Speaker 4: they shut me.
[2:06:25] Speaker 1: Cool.
[2:06:26] Speaker 4: My teammates look at me different. That matters. It did
[2:06:31] Speaker 4: to me. I'm pretty sure it did to you. How
[2:06:33] Speaker 4: your teammates.
[2:06:34] Speaker 2: Looked at you. Whether they looked at you like, man.
[2:06:40] Speaker 1: Right? Mm-hmm.
[2:06:43] Speaker 4: You want to be dependent on like that regular season.
[2:06:46] Speaker 1: Who won all the games in the regular season? Great.
[2:06:48] Speaker 4: We did this shit together.
[2:06:49] Speaker 1: Great.
[2:06:50] Speaker 4: Cool. Cool. That ain't now. Like we depend on you, right?
[2:06:58] Speaker 4: Evan Mobley, you defensive player of the year, homie. That
[2:07:03] Speaker 4: means something to us. We need you out there. We
[2:07:06] Speaker 4: lost game one with you out there. You out there,
[2:07:08] Speaker 4: we lost game one with you out there. Do you
[2:07:10] Speaker 4: think we got a chance if you're not out there? See,
[2:07:14] Speaker 4: that's the bothersome part, right? The mentality of the guy like,
[2:07:19] Speaker 4: we lost game one with you. So you put us
[2:07:24] Speaker 4: in harm's way. What you think we're finna do in
[2:07:27] Speaker 4: game two? We're down two games going on the road.
[2:07:32] Speaker 1: Got lucky. Got a game. Right?
[2:07:36] Speaker 4: Got lucky. So, yeah, you got to make some changes, man.
[2:07:41] Speaker 4: I'm questioning them dudes, man. Like, if I'm Donovan Mitchell
[2:07:44] Speaker 4: and I'm Kenny Axe, I'm questioning them dudes.
[2:07:49] Speaker 2: I know you're questioning them, but who going to come there?
[2:07:51] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[2:07:52] Speaker 2: Who coming to the Cleveland?
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: The Lake on fire?
[2:07:57] Speaker 2: The Lake was on fire?
[2:07:58] Speaker 1: Oh, it's been on fire before.
[2:07:59] Speaker 2: So, hey, I'm just saying.
[2:08:01] Speaker 4: I just feel like this was their best chance.
[2:08:07] Speaker 2: I mean, they have a solid.
[2:08:08] Speaker 1: It's just like Bucs, man. When Bucs won the championship
[2:08:15] Speaker 1: and they went into the summer and they didn't upgrade.
[2:08:20] Speaker 2: Because you were champions. But you know why you were champions.
[2:08:27] Speaker 1: The reality of why you were champions. The team, the
[2:08:31] Speaker 1: megalodon that you faced, that beat the fuck out of you,
[2:08:37] Speaker 1: that showed you you're not even on our level. They
[2:08:40] Speaker 1: all went down. That's how you advance. You didn't advance
[2:08:45] Speaker 1: because you beat them. You advanced because they went down.
[2:08:50] Speaker 1: and you got to the next level, and you got
[2:08:52] Speaker 1: to the next level, and then you face the Suns team, right?
[2:08:58] Speaker 2: You end up winning.
[2:08:59] Speaker 1: Who cares how you won? You won. You go into
[2:09:02] Speaker 1: the summer thinking you are, we are them dudes. That
[2:09:06] Speaker 1: should have been, hey, hey, we do remember what happened
[2:09:10] Speaker 1: against Brooklyn. We got to upgrade this fucking team so
[2:09:14] Speaker 1: we can win. And that's what happened. That's why they
[2:09:16] Speaker 1: haven't went nowhere because reality kicked in. And then we
[2:09:20] Speaker 1: just realized, ah, just Giannis is fucking good. Denver, them.
[2:09:24] Speaker 2: Denver, yeah.
[2:09:26] Speaker 1: You have to actually look at yourselves and say, hey, okay,
[2:09:30] Speaker 1: all right.
[2:09:30] Speaker 2: And they won it. Where do we need to upgrade?
[2:09:36] Speaker 1: If we rank our team one through five, how many
[2:09:42] Speaker 1: of us are top five in our position? One of
[2:09:47] Speaker 1: us is probably number 30. You can start there. One
[2:09:54] Speaker 1: through five.
[2:09:55] Speaker 2: There's one of us on our team right here.
[2:09:57] Speaker 1: It's probably ranked 30 in the NBA in our position
[2:10:01] Speaker 1: as starters. You can upgrade there. And go from there.
[2:10:06] Speaker 1: And that's how you really have to look at yourself.
[2:10:10] Speaker 1: It's just like getting better in the summer. I don't
[2:10:13] Speaker 1: give a fuck what you did.
[2:10:15] Speaker 2: You go and say, all right, this is what I accomplished.
[2:10:19] Speaker 1: What are my fucking flaws? And how do I make
[2:10:23] Speaker 1: up my strengths? And that goes for a lot of teams.
[2:10:28] Speaker 1: And they're going to be one of them. Indiana, you
[2:10:32] Speaker 1: beat on a team that was hurt. You're going to
[2:10:34] Speaker 1: have to look at yourself. I don't give a fuck
[2:10:35] Speaker 1: where you go. You got to upgrade, man. You can't
[2:10:39] Speaker 1: go back into the second, the next season. With the
[2:10:42] Speaker 1: same iPhone? iPhone upgrades every year.
[2:10:46] Speaker 3: You better upgrade every year. Speaking of upgrades, Donovan Mitchell
[2:10:50] Speaker 3: reached the playoffs in each of his eight seasons in
[2:10:51] Speaker 3: the league with the Jazz and Cavs. Never advanced past
[2:10:54] Speaker 3: the second round. He's still only 28 years old. This
[2:10:57] Speaker 3: is the conversation we had throughout the season. But can
[2:10:59] Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell be the guy on a championship-level team?
[2:11:03] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[2:11:03] Speaker 2: He's never been on a championship-level team.
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: That's all right.
[2:11:09] Speaker 3: I mean, this is probably the best team he's been on.
[2:11:12] Speaker 3: I think the Jazz were top in the West in
[2:11:14] Speaker 3: one of those playoffs.
[2:11:16] Speaker 1: But he hasn't been on one.
[2:11:18] Speaker 2: The year following the COVID season.
[2:11:20] Speaker 1: You can look at a team, start the season off
[2:11:22] Speaker 1: and be like, okay, these them boys.
[2:11:25] Speaker 2: Right? You can do that.
[2:11:27] Speaker 1: He's never been on a team where you're like, okay,
[2:11:32] Speaker 1: this is his year to fuck up.
[2:11:34] Speaker 2: He's never been on that.
[2:11:36] Speaker 7: But do you feel like a lot of teams don't
[2:11:37] Speaker 7: upgrade like that because they don't really know championship culture?
[2:11:42] Speaker 1: No, because there's only five teams that actually are trying
[2:11:45] Speaker 1: to win a championship. There's only five. Every year, there's five.
[2:11:50] Speaker 1: If they get it or don't, there's only five. Then
[2:11:53] Speaker 1: there's 15 teams that just want to make the playoffs.
[2:11:56] Speaker 1: So they're going to just keep the roster good enough
[2:11:58] Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. Then there's 10 teams that don't
[2:12:01] Speaker 1: give a fuck.
[2:12:03] Speaker 2: They don't care. They're going to make their money no
[2:12:04] Speaker 2: matter what.
[2:12:06] Speaker 1: Good, bad, they're going to keep getting the checks from
[2:12:09] Speaker 1: the city itself and the market. And if they do
[2:12:13] Speaker 1: get a winning team, cool. But that's about it. I'm
[2:12:16] Speaker 1: not here trying to win no championship. That's not my
[2:12:19] Speaker 1: business model here. That's why if you look around the
[2:12:23] Speaker 1: NBA and you're talking about billionaires and your team sucks
[2:12:27] Speaker 1: every year, every year your team sucks, that's his model.
[2:12:32] Speaker 2: That's his business model, slumlord. So Brooklyn ain't tripping. No.
[2:12:41] Speaker 1: I'm in Brooklyn. I don't need to win shit in Brooklyn.
[2:12:45] Speaker 1: If he wants to slumlord it, he can. He's in
[2:12:48] Speaker 1: the city where he can slumlord. Clippers can slumlord if
[2:12:51] Speaker 1: they want to. They don't need to. They don't need
[2:12:53] Speaker 1: to win here.
[2:12:55] Speaker 2: Palmer different, though.
[2:12:56] Speaker 1: I know. He's bombing. No, no.
[2:12:57] Speaker 2: You can tell he's trying to win something.
[2:12:59] Speaker 1: The newer owners, these new owners, it's like they're fans
[2:13:02] Speaker 1: of basketball.
[2:13:04] Speaker 2: It's them old motherfuckers.
[2:13:05] Speaker 1: You got them old owners that's still holding on? Yeah.
[2:13:11] Speaker 1: You don't really want to upgrade you. You don't want
[2:13:15] Speaker 1: to upgrade your goddamn season tickets like that.
[2:13:18] Speaker 2: Portland is up for sale.
[2:13:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:13:20] Speaker 2: Trailblazers up for sale.
[2:13:21] Speaker 1: Whoever comes in, gotta remember, when I'm buying at a
[2:13:24] Speaker 1: price like that, I gotta love the fucking sport. Something
[2:13:30] Speaker 1: about it. If I bought my team for a million
[2:13:33] Speaker 1: dollars back in 1965, And my team says it's worth
[2:13:39] Speaker 1: $ 600 million. Bitch, I'm not trying to win. Don't tell
[2:13:43] Speaker 1: me about it. Who we got on our team? You
[2:13:47] Speaker 1: can tell who the basketball fans are. They showing up
[2:13:49] Speaker 1: to the game. Go, guys. If you go and look
[2:13:52] Speaker 1: at NBA owners, and you start looking at, who the
[2:13:56] Speaker 1: fuck is this? Yeah, they don't care. You start looking at, like,
[2:14:00] Speaker 1: who the fuck is this?
[2:14:00] Speaker 2: I didn't even.
[2:14:02] Speaker 1: Who?
[2:14:02] Speaker 8: Who?
[2:14:03] Speaker 1: She, I didn't know the woman was owning that team.
[2:14:06] Speaker 1: I didn't know he was owning that team because they
[2:14:09] Speaker 1: not there. They running off with their real business.
[2:14:11] Speaker 2: Right.
[2:14:13] Speaker 1: This is a check writer. How much we losing that?
[2:14:15] Speaker 2: What's the team over there? Yeah.
[2:14:19] Speaker 1: Minnesota. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just write it off.
[2:14:23] Speaker 3: So, Mr. B, question for you. Can Donovan Mitchell be
[2:14:25] Speaker 3: the guy on a championship level team?
[2:14:28] Speaker 1: We won't know.
[2:14:30] Speaker 2: We won't know. We won't know. We will never find out.
[2:14:35] Speaker 1: Listen, I'm going by history. This is not my opinion.
[2:14:44] Speaker 1: I can give two shits about, you know, if history
[2:14:49] Speaker 1: of the game is saying that at a certain height,
[2:14:57] Speaker 1: if you are the best player at a certain height,
[2:15:00] Speaker 1: your chances of winning a championship is not very high.
[2:15:07] Speaker 1: In the last 40, 50 years, 50 championships, whatever, there's
[2:15:12] Speaker 1: only two. And Steph Curry is all of 6'4 still.
[2:15:19] Speaker 1: He's still 6'4. It's not like he's just little framed.
[2:15:25] Speaker 1: But under him, as the number one guy, it's only
[2:15:30] Speaker 1: been Isaiah Thomas. Really? The number one option. It's only
[2:15:37] Speaker 1: been Isaiah. We throw Steph in there because he plays
[2:15:40] Speaker 1: like a little guard. But 6'3, 6'2, 6'1? It's only
[2:15:48] Speaker 1: been Isaiah Thomas.
[2:15:50] Speaker 2: It's really happened.
[2:15:51] Speaker 1: It really hasn't. There's really no.
[2:15:54] Speaker 2: So.
[2:15:55] Speaker 1: Just history says it.
[2:15:57] Speaker 3: So we asked to check, can Donovan Mitchell be the
[2:15:59] Speaker 3: number one option on a championship team 53% of the
[2:16:03] Speaker 3: chat says yes.
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: So one more thing real quick before we move on
[2:16:05] Speaker 1: to our last topic. 53% said yes? 53% said yes.
[2:16:08] Speaker 3: Before game five, TNT's Jared Greenberg said that Max Struess
[2:16:12] Speaker 3: sent a message to the Cavs group chat that said,
[2:16:15] Speaker 3: if you don't believe, don't show up for work. Struess
[2:16:19] Speaker 3: then proceeded to have his worst game of this playoffs,
[2:16:22] Speaker 3: putting up a donut while going 0 for 9 from
[2:16:24] Speaker 3: the field, 0 for 6 from 3. So Struess have
[2:16:27] Speaker 3: kept that text message to himself.
[2:16:29] Speaker 7: Hell yeah, he should have kept that shit to himself, man.
[2:16:33] Speaker 2: Don't show up.
[2:16:34] Speaker 1: Don't show up to work hold on 6'3 with his
[2:16:38] Speaker 1: shoes off he's 6'2 and a half with his shoes
[2:16:41] Speaker 1: on he's 6'4 so I don't know.
[2:16:46] Speaker 4: Was he a clown when he was making shots for
[2:16:48] Speaker 4: y'all you heard me was he a clown when he
[2:16:53] Speaker 4: was making shots.
[2:16:54] Speaker 1: For y'all.
[2:16:56] Speaker 4: But I didn't ask you that was he a clown
[2:17:01] Speaker 4: when he was making shots for y'all So he a
[2:17:03] Speaker 4: clown when he don't make shots.
[2:17:06] Speaker 1: Y'all motherfucking fans.
[2:17:08] Speaker 4: You motherfucking fans are crazy.
[2:17:10] Speaker 1: He texted like he about to have 30. No matter.
[2:17:13] Speaker 2: Went out there and had a donut.
[2:17:14] Speaker 1: No, he trying to say something encouraging. He just had a.
[2:17:17] Speaker 2: Bad fucking game.
[2:17:18] Speaker 1: Right message, wrong person. No, he was making shots. He
[2:17:22] Speaker 1: ain't make one. Well, he shot him.
[2:17:28] Speaker 2: He's a shooter, right?
[2:17:30] Speaker 1: He's a shooter, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a shooter.
[2:17:34] Speaker 1: I'm not going to blame him. No, I'm not blaming him.
[2:17:38] Speaker 1: You may call this man a clown. He's a fan.
[2:17:43] Speaker 1: He's a fan.
[2:17:44] Speaker 2: That's why I say his fans are amazing.
[2:17:45] Speaker 1: Him not making shots versus him not just showing up
[2:17:49] Speaker 1: it's two different things.
[2:17:50] Speaker 2: He took the shot.
[2:17:51] Speaker 1: Like, maybe his energy was just a little too high
[2:17:53] Speaker 1: for this moment.
[2:17:54] Speaker 4: Teammates didn't show up in game two.
[2:17:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm not, you know what I mean? I'm
[2:17:58] Speaker 1: not worrying about, like, he went 0 from 9. He
[2:18:01] Speaker 1: went 0 from 9.
[2:18:01] Speaker 4: Where do you think it stemmed from?
[2:18:03] Speaker 1: He just didn't pull that shit out of his ass. Okay, no,
[2:18:06] Speaker 1: I got you. I got you.
[2:18:07] Speaker 12: I forgot about the game. Teammates didn't play in game two.
[2:18:09] Speaker 12: I forgot about the game two. You think he just
[2:18:12] Speaker 12: woke up before game five at home? If you ain't
[2:18:15] Speaker 12: going to show up, if you ain't going to open, no,
[2:18:17] Speaker 12: that shit bothers some people. Like, you know what the
[2:18:21] Speaker 12: difference was? You know why he was 0 for 9?
[2:18:25] Speaker 1: Score your own fucking basket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, the
[2:18:29] Speaker 1: dude with the toe, the dude with the toe can't
[2:18:31] Speaker 1: toe no more. Yeah, he can't get around these screens
[2:18:34] Speaker 1: and then do no.
[2:18:35] Speaker 2: Max, score.
[2:18:37] Speaker 1: Shit look a little different.
[2:18:38] Speaker 8: Right?
[2:18:39] Speaker 1: You're talking about a team who averaged 28 assists in
[2:18:41] Speaker 1: regular season. 10 last night. We're not helping none of
[2:18:46] Speaker 1: you motherfuckers. When you get it, do your own thing.
[2:18:49] Speaker 1: And the motherfuckers realize, oh shit, only Donovan and Garland
[2:18:55] Speaker 1: can create their own shots. The rest of us need them.
[2:19:02] Speaker 1: And they're not helping. Because Garland, we know he can't
[2:19:05] Speaker 1: jump off his toe. We know he can't speed and
[2:19:07] Speaker 1: get around his motherfuckers. So we're not going to help.
[2:19:10] Speaker 1: We're going to let Dave Garland, if you want to
[2:19:13] Speaker 1: go and jump off and do all this, good.
[2:19:15] Speaker 2: But we know you're not going to do it.
[2:19:17] Speaker 1: We know you got to save some of this probably
[2:19:20] Speaker 1: for the next game. So we're going to just figure one-on-one.
[2:19:23] Speaker 1: We're going to deny, deny. And if you get the ball,
[2:19:26] Speaker 1: try to do it yourself.
[2:19:28] Speaker 2: And you can't do it.
[2:19:29] Speaker 1: So now these shots that you're taking is created by yourself,
[2:19:32] Speaker 1: not your teammate. So now y'all scored all these points.
[2:19:37] Speaker 2: Only 10 came from assists.
[2:19:38] Speaker 1: That means you're 18 assists away from how you play
[2:19:43] Speaker 1: Cleveland basketball. We're not letting you play Cleveland basketball. We're
[2:19:48] Speaker 1: going to make you play Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, it becomes
[2:19:50] Speaker 1: a little different now. And that's... Yeah. Take a week.
[2:19:59] Speaker 4: That's coaching, that's scouting report, and that's going out and
[2:20:02] Speaker 4: implementing the scouting report, right?
[2:20:04] Speaker 1: What does the scouting report say about Denver? What's their
[2:20:07] Speaker 1: record when Jokic scores 40-something? Two and five, two and something.
[2:20:14] Speaker 1: They got to lose on the record when he.
[2:20:15] Speaker 2: Two and five when he scores.
[2:20:17] Speaker 1: Because when he's scoring that many points, that means he
[2:20:21] Speaker 1: done gave up on those motherfuckers.
[2:20:22] Speaker 2: That means nobody touching the rock.
[2:20:25] Speaker 1: And now, if they not touching the ball, that means
[2:20:27] Speaker 1: the guys that he needs are not there. So, what
[2:20:33] Speaker 1: do you think it's going to look like? Game six. See,
[2:20:38] Speaker 1: the only way they winning is if Jokic is 25
[2:20:42] Speaker 1: to 30 and 9 to 14 assists. When he starts
[2:20:47] Speaker 1: creeping up into the 45, yeah, that means he's saying.
[2:20:51] Speaker 2: Fuck all this. He's going to have 7 assists or under.
[2:20:56] Speaker 2: But he should have more. They're just probably missing shots.
[2:21:00] Speaker 1: If they're making shots, he's shooting less.
[2:21:04] Speaker 2: That's how it always works. Donovan had 35.
[2:21:07] Speaker 1: He ain't passing the fucking ball. When he's in that 21-19,
[2:21:13] Speaker 1: that means these guys are hitting shots, so he's still
[2:21:15] Speaker 1: believing in them. But you can still believe and still
[2:21:19] Speaker 1: get yours, right? Not when your team is built away
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: a certain way. Not when you've been winning. Not when
[2:21:24] Speaker 1: you've been winning a certain way. If I'm winning, I
[2:21:27] Speaker 1: ain't really got to do it like that. It's a
[2:21:29] Speaker 1: formula to it.
[2:21:31] Speaker 4: Right? It's a formula to how they have been successful.
[2:21:35] Speaker 1: Right.
[2:21:35] Speaker 2: Like Hallie, if you look at his numbers.
[2:21:38] Speaker 1: The reason he hasn't had high assists or high numbers
[2:21:41] Speaker 1: is because everybody's been doing it. He's in there scoring.
[2:21:46] Speaker 1: Y'all come out there, motherfucker, hitting shots. Like he said it. Yeah,
[2:21:49] Speaker 1: they was looking for me tonight. Right? Yeah, they found me.
[2:21:54] Speaker 1: And he the point guard. He the point guard saying, yeah,
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: they found me. Because, you know, usually they... We'll need you, motherfucker.
[2:22:03] Speaker 1: We'll need you. We'll come over there. Other than that,
[2:22:04] Speaker 1: they've been handling the game the way they need to
[2:22:06] Speaker 1: be handling the game.
[2:22:07] Speaker 8: Mm.
[2:22:08] Speaker 1: Everything is about taking away what we think is going
[2:22:13] Speaker 1: to hurt us. And, you know, some guys can jump
[2:22:18] Speaker 1: out of that, like a Brunson or a Shea. We
[2:22:20] Speaker 1: can say, we're going to make you a passer, right,
[2:22:23] Speaker 1: or a Shea. We're going to make you a scorer.
[2:22:25] Speaker 1: And some of them are so good, they can do
[2:22:26] Speaker 1: that too and still find a way to get their
[2:22:29] Speaker 1: teammates involved, knowing what the game plan is. If I know,
[2:22:33] Speaker 1: all right, We're going to make Kenyon take 25 shots tonight.
[2:22:42] Speaker 1: Because that means Kenyon ain't sitting here. We're trying to
[2:22:45] Speaker 1: double him. And then he sit there and throw this
[2:22:47] Speaker 1: pass or throw this lob or do that. We're going
[2:22:50] Speaker 1: to all stay home and let Kenyon just dunk the work.
[2:22:53] Speaker 1: That means he ain't scoring, he ain't scoring, he ain't scoring.
[2:22:56] Speaker 1: And that might help us win. Yeah, he had a
[2:22:58] Speaker 1: hell of a night. Like the game plan is the
[2:23:02] Speaker 1: game plan. And sometimes... He started dunking a couple times
[2:23:05] Speaker 1: and like, oh, let me go and dunk in.
[2:23:07] Speaker 2: And now he doesn't hit him. He the three.
[2:23:08] Speaker 1: Coach is like, timeout, dog.
[2:23:09] Speaker 2: Why are you helping?
[2:23:11] Speaker 1: Yeah. Why the fuck you helping? Come sit your ass down.
[2:23:15] Speaker 2: Come sit your ass down.
[2:23:16] Speaker 1: You know, so the game plan is game plan and,
[2:23:18] Speaker 1: you know. So with that in mind, let's move on
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[2:23:37] Speaker 1: 4 p.m.
[2:23:38] Speaker 2: Pacific, 7 p.m.
[2:23:39] Speaker 1: Eastern. I'm Nix this year. Right.
[2:23:42] Speaker 2: Nix for clicks. I'm Nix and Jalen Brown. I thought
[2:23:44] Speaker 2: she was Tatum.
[2:23:45] Speaker 1: I'm Nix and Jalen Brown. All right.
[2:23:47] Speaker 2: Nix and Jalen Brown. Nix and Jalen Brown, baby.
[2:23:50] Speaker 3: Like I said, pull up to playback.tv slash Gilbert Arena
[2:23:52] Speaker 3: tonight at 4 p.m.
[2:23:53] Speaker 1: Pacific, 7 p.m. Eastern. I already told y'all with my
[2:23:54] Speaker 1: Nix's loss who I was going for.
[2:23:56] Speaker 2: I thought it was Jason Tatum.
[2:23:57] Speaker 1: Whatever Rashad team is, that's the team I'm going for.
[2:24:01] Speaker 3: Sean will be back in the arena tomorrow, but we're
[2:24:03] Speaker 3: going to be rooting for the same team and the
[2:24:05] Speaker 3: same player. Gil, since you brought up the Knicks, mostly
[2:24:09] Speaker 3: fans question. That's something to do with that from underdog
[2:24:11] Speaker 3: user Zedarian. The Knicks took heat for playing heavy minutes
[2:24:15] Speaker 3: all season, but now they look the most locked in.
[2:24:18] Speaker 3: Should more teams stop low managing and just play through it?
[2:24:30] Speaker 1: History? I'm going off of history. History is saying load
[2:24:38] Speaker 1: management is hurting the game because it's hurting the players.
[2:24:43] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:24:44] Speaker 1: It's these players is going down.
[2:24:48] Speaker 2: At a rapid rapid speed.
[2:24:52] Speaker 1: It's showing. They're getting injuries. Injuries we've never even seen
[2:24:57] Speaker 1: in a sport. Um... quads, hammies, side muscles. I ain't
[2:25:05] Speaker 1: even know motherfuckers. We had side muscles over here. Where
[2:25:08] Speaker 1: did they create these shit for me to pull this?
[2:25:12] Speaker 1: There's things that are happening in the game now that
[2:25:15] Speaker 1: wasn't before. I know we got new technology, but sometimes
[2:25:20] Speaker 1: you got to look in the past to see what
[2:25:23] Speaker 1: were y'all doing in the past? John Stockton, Karl.
[2:25:29] Speaker 2: Malone, Right?
[2:25:31] Speaker 1: We're talking about Michael Jordan.
[2:25:34] Speaker 2: Gary Payton.
[2:25:34] Speaker 1: Right? You got players that played 82 games for years
[2:25:42] Speaker 1: in a time where it was supposed to have been
[2:25:44] Speaker 1: a brutal basketball. Right? You got a player that's playing
[2:25:50] Speaker 1: who came in in 2003 that's still in the game.
[2:25:54] Speaker 1: Averaging 25-7-7. You might want to ask why?
[2:25:55] Speaker 2: Why? Right? Hey, Carmelo, hey.
[2:26:01] Speaker 1: This is the Phoenix Suns here. I just want to
[2:26:07] Speaker 1: pick your brain for a little bit. What was your
[2:26:08] Speaker 1: summer workout plan? What did you do? Reggie Miller, hey, motherfucker, hey.
[2:26:12] Speaker 1: You was skinnier than a motherfucker. How did you last
[2:26:16] Speaker 1: so long in the NBA? What was you doing?
[2:26:18] Speaker 2: What was your diet like? What was your lip in there?
[2:26:21] Speaker 1: Hey, McHale, hey, Mr.
[2:26:23] Speaker 2: Iron Man. What the fuck you doing over there?
[2:26:25] Speaker 1: Right? There's guys who's done shown.
[2:26:28] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[2:26:31] Speaker 1: Like, are you lifting weights to stretch it? Like, what
[2:26:33] Speaker 1: are you doing? Because obviously the fucking new people, these
[2:26:38] Speaker 1: 27 and down, these goofy motherfuckers that I've been listening
[2:26:42] Speaker 1: to that got computers and shit, they're wrong. Like, the
[2:26:46] Speaker 1: computer's wrong. The human body is still the human body.
[2:26:51] Speaker 1: And something is saying that 90s, 80s, 70s is the
[2:26:59] Speaker 1: physical part of... Being able to play the longer. Some
[2:27:04] Speaker 1: of these motherfuckers playing at Chuck Taylor's. Chuck's. Taylor's.
[2:27:14] Speaker 2: And playing 82.
[2:27:15] Speaker 1: They didn't have motherfucking super glue back then. Just regular
[2:27:18] Speaker 1: ass glue. And it was fine. Right. So there's things
[2:27:24] Speaker 1: that you got to take from the past.
[2:27:26] Speaker 2: To see why. At least the basics.
[2:27:31] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? There's why. Is it actually
[2:27:36] Speaker 1: lifting real weights? This bando shit? This Pilates shit right here?
[2:27:44] Speaker 1: I can tell you it's wrong because I can tell
[2:27:45] Speaker 1: you this ain't Instagram. This ain't just take pictures and
[2:27:51] Speaker 1: we look for Zeke.
[2:27:52] Speaker 4: Right?
[2:27:53] Speaker 1: Because I can tell you if you tell all them
[2:27:56] Speaker 1: to run and do something active... They're going to pull
[2:28:01] Speaker 1: that shit that look good for the pictures with the....
[2:28:04] Speaker 2: The pretty muscles, as we call them.
[2:28:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to jump and run and beat. You
[2:28:08] Speaker 1: got to really do that stuff in old school.
[2:28:12] Speaker 2: They're doing all that shit, man.
[2:28:13] Speaker 1: Old school is telling us all this day off and
[2:28:15] Speaker 1: we resting and all that. I mean.
[2:28:19] Speaker 2: That fucks up your body even more. Yeah, right? We've...
[2:28:23] Speaker 2: We're just sitting around for two days.
[2:28:24] Speaker 1: We're resting and we're doing this barely workout and we're
[2:28:27] Speaker 1: coming in playing against the motherfucker John Moran and I
[2:28:30] Speaker 1: got to.
[2:28:31] Speaker 2: Come do this functional workout.
[2:28:32] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[2:28:32] Speaker 2: Like, what happened to just lifting?
[2:28:35] Speaker 1: Like, I remember my rookie year, my paper, boom, boom.
[2:28:38] Speaker 2: Like, we lifting. I don't know what they do today.
[2:28:40] Speaker 1: You need your muscles to be firing. At a very
[2:28:44] Speaker 1: high level. There's John Wrench in this motherfucker.
[2:28:48] Speaker 2: You got to put muscles on top of muscles.
[2:28:49] Speaker 1: Yes.
[2:28:50] Speaker 2: Like, you already got muscles.
[2:28:52] Speaker 4: In training camp, the training camp we did, you put
[2:28:55] Speaker 4: something on top of them muscles.
[2:28:57] Speaker 1: And then, yeah. And that was a different, too, our
[2:29:01] Speaker 1: training camp. From their training camp today.
[2:29:04] Speaker 4: Man, them dudes going to training camp and walking out
[2:29:06] Speaker 4: fine in the first practice. Second practice, walking in the third,
[2:29:11] Speaker 4: and then training camp over.
[2:29:14] Speaker 2: They don't even do it.
[2:29:16] Speaker 1: That shit don't exist. Do you go to sleep at
[2:29:20] Speaker 1: the same time?
[2:29:22] Speaker 2: Every night?
[2:29:22] Speaker 1: No.
[2:29:23] Speaker 2: Yours just... I don't sleep at night. I'm all fucked up.
[2:29:29] Speaker 2: You go to sleep at the same time?
[2:29:31] Speaker 1: No.
[2:29:32] Speaker 2: How do you know I sleep at all?
[2:29:35] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. But for the most part... Yeah, about 2.30.
[2:29:38] Speaker 2: In the morning.
[2:29:38] Speaker 1: But for the most part... Your body, you train your
[2:29:46] Speaker 1: body to react, right? Now, if I was telling the
[2:29:53] Speaker 1: kid how to train and how to get shots up, right?
[2:29:56] Speaker 1: And let's say we're training for 200 shots a day,
[2:30:00] Speaker 1: so 1,400 shots. I need you to take 1,400 shots
[2:30:03] Speaker 1: a week. I'm telling you, for the best results, 200
[2:30:08] Speaker 1: seven days a week. You do 200 a day, and
[2:30:11] Speaker 1: then you rest, and then you do, you know, 400
[2:30:15] Speaker 1: on Wednesday, then you rest, then you do, and you
[2:30:17] Speaker 1: do that, I'm telling you what happens, your body remembers
[2:30:22] Speaker 1: that cycle. It's going to be ready to fire on Monday.
[2:30:26] Speaker 1: It's going to want to sleep on Tuesday. It's going
[2:30:29] Speaker 1: to be ready to go max on Wednesday, rest on Thursday.
[2:30:35] Speaker 1: What happens when you actually have to perform on Tuesdays
[2:30:40] Speaker 1: and Thursdays? Mm-hmm. You're going to be trying to get
[2:30:44] Speaker 1: up and your body's going to be saying, this is
[2:30:46] Speaker 1: a rest day. I'm not firing. That's what's happening in
[2:30:51] Speaker 1: this sport. Their bodies is being trained a certain pattern.
[2:30:59] Speaker 1: And when you throw something on a rest pattern day,
[2:31:01] Speaker 1: it fucks it up. Like I always remember and was
[2:31:04] Speaker 1: told on the night before the game, go to the
[2:31:09] Speaker 1: gym and do something. So your body knows the fire
[2:31:13] Speaker 1: at that time, fire at that time. So I don't
[2:31:17] Speaker 1: care if it's an off day, your body does its routine,
[2:31:20] Speaker 1: go to the gym, run around, do whatever. Even if
[2:31:23] Speaker 1: it's been five minutes, let your body know, because if
[2:31:26] Speaker 1: it's used to resting and going to sleep, it's going to,
[2:31:29] Speaker 1: it's going to try to do that. And I noticed
[2:31:31] Speaker 1: that when we played one o'clock games, if somebody did
[2:31:35] Speaker 1: us a Statistics on my 1 o'clock games, I know
[2:31:38] Speaker 1: for sure, those are probably the worst stats I've ever had.
[2:31:42] Speaker 1: That's going to be my pattern. That's where I'm supposed
[2:31:47] Speaker 1: to be sleeping. Now I've got to overstimulate to try
[2:31:52] Speaker 1: to get up for the game because my body won't
[2:31:54] Speaker 1: naturally go to sleep, even though I just woke up.
[2:31:59] Speaker 1: New school need to try to think about just human
[2:32:02] Speaker 1: nature itself to understand how to be functional.
[2:32:08] Speaker 3: Real talk from Gilbert Arenas here on Gills Arena presented
[2:32:10] Speaker 3: by Underdog Whoop Whoop. Ladies and gentlemen, we do have
[2:32:13] Speaker 3: a playback at 4 o'clock. And as some of y'all
[2:32:16] Speaker 3: pointed out, I do fall asleep on those streams with.
[2:32:17] Speaker 2: My eyes open. You got to be working me, man.
[2:32:22] Speaker 3: But I want to say I appreciate y'all to everybody
[2:32:24] Speaker 3: on this couch. Another spirited day here in the arena.
[2:32:27] Speaker 3: Appreciate everybody in the chat. Some great insight, some great talk,
[2:32:31] Speaker 3: discourse around the game. We mind the game here as well.
[2:32:35] Speaker 3: The body is smarter than people think, man. Train that
[2:32:38] Speaker 3: motherfucker to do whatever you want him to do.
[2:32:39] Speaker 4: Real simple phrase, man, that Gil, what he is saying,
[2:32:42] Speaker 4: I was preaching, I said to the boy, I said,
[2:32:45] Speaker 4: repetition becomes habit, man.
[2:32:47] Speaker 2: Like, repetition becomes habit. That plain and simple.
[2:32:52] Speaker 1: If you're used to quitting, you don't keep quitting. If
[2:32:56] Speaker 1: you're used to fighting through things, you always fight through things.
[2:32:59] Speaker 2: It's a habit. Your body is going to get used
[2:33:03] Speaker 2: to the habit. Stunning also a habit as well.
[2:33:08] Speaker 1: Like right now, right? Some of you guys at 1130,
[2:33:13] Speaker 1: 22 to 30,000 a year, it's your habit. 1130, Gil's
[2:33:20] Speaker 1: Arena's on, and you have created your environment around this time.
[2:33:26] Speaker 3: A very good habit to have. Very addictive, intoxicating if
[2:33:30] Speaker 3: you will. Need more of y'all to put the needle
[2:33:32] Speaker 3: in your arm.
[2:33:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, we need more of y'all to be famous.
[2:33:34] Speaker 1: And it becomes part of your functionality, and you know
[2:33:37] Speaker 1: what I mean? And I'm pretty sure when we don't
[2:33:39] Speaker 1: come on at this time, it kind of fucks your
[2:33:41] Speaker 1: routine up.
[2:33:42] Speaker 4: I mean, it's on CPT.
[2:33:44] Speaker 2: Oh, see, these motherfuckers, I'm here. I'm ready to hear
[2:33:46] Speaker 2: what the fuck they're doing.
[2:33:46] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[2:33:47] Speaker 2: Like, shit done fucked up my car. You know what
[2:33:49] Speaker 2: I mean?
[2:33:49] Speaker 1: It's just that routine you get into that makes you
[2:33:52] Speaker 1: successful at what you do.
[2:33:53] Speaker 4: No, I got one of my partners in Dallas. Like,
[2:33:55] Speaker 4: he got his, like, whether he get done with jujitsu,
[2:33:58] Speaker 4: he get home, get showered, roll him one.
[2:34:01] Speaker 2: Get him a coffee.
[2:34:01] Speaker 4: He like, hey, Central Time, it's 1.30.
[2:34:06] Speaker 1: It ain't local. Hey, where these niggas at? Where y'all at? Hey,
[2:34:08] Speaker 1: where y'all start texting? The fuck y'all late for? I
[2:34:12] Speaker 1: know some people at 1230 like, see these motherfuckers, man.
[2:34:18] Speaker 1: They late now for 15 minutes. I got to figure
[2:34:20] Speaker 1: out the fuck I'm doing for 15 minutes. You got
[2:34:23] Speaker 1: to do regular work. Just keep the stream up. We
[2:34:26] Speaker 1: appreciate y'all for supporting the show, supporting the movement. This
[2:34:29] Speaker 1: has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:34:32] Speaker 1: We will see y'all tomorrow.

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