# Kendrick Perkins & Gil's Arena React To The Lakers BIG Sale

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 19 Jun 2025, 2 h 19 min.

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Gil's Arena Reacts To The Los Angeles Lakers' RECORD BREAKING Sale as the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to the Lakers getting sold for a record breaking $10 BILLION and break down what this means for LeBron James, Luka Doncic & The Legacy of one of the NBA's Most Storied franchises. Next, they break down the state of The Philadelphia 76ers as the team announced they plan on running it back with their core of Tyrese Maxey, Paul George and Joel Embiid next season and debate if the Sixers can bounce back from their terrible season, before reacting to potential 76ers draft pick Ace Bailey cancelling workouts with teams ahead of the NBA Draft. They then welcome former NBA Champion Kendrick Perkins inside the arena to tell legendary stories from the 2008 Boston Celtics championship run and give his takes on various NBA topics like Kevin Durant & Giannis Antetokounmpo trade rumors, the New York Knicks head coaching job, and Game 6 of the NBA Finals. They break down if Tyrese Haliburton will play through injury to give the Indiana Pacers one last push to take down the OKC Thunder and react to Shai Gilgeous Alexander's mentality heading into a legacy shifting game. Finally, they react to Steve Kerr hinting at Jonathan Kuminga's departure from the Golden State Warriors this summer and Dejounte Murray's story of how grappling with off the court issues derailed his first season in New Orleans. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Norris Cole, Kendrick Perkins, Kenyon Martin, Nick Young, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Connect with a provider at https://Ro.co/Arena and get $15 off your first order Right now Blinds.com is giving our listeners an exclusive $50 off when you spend $500 or more. Just use code ARENA at checkout. Limited time offer. Rules and restrictions apply. Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord 0:00:00 - 2 Min Countdown 0:02:06 - Show Start 0:05:49 - Lakers Sell For $10 Billion 0:23:20 - The State Of The 76ers 0:31:21 - Kendrick Perkins Enters Gil's Arena 0:37:21 - Perk On Stephen A's Memphis Comments 0:46:48 - Perk On The Celtics Future 1:00:59 - Perk On The Knicks Firing Thibs 1:10:44 - J-Dub For Finals MVP? 1:15:03 - Is Shai The Best Player In The NBA? 1:21:51 - Will Hali Play In Game 6? 1:31:54 - Who Needs To Step Up For The Pacers? 1:43:29 - Refs For Game 6 1:46:39 - SGA's Mentality For Game 6 1:49:39 - Is J-Dub The Next Version Of Scottie Pippen 1:58:56 - Predictions For Game 6 2:00:44 - Ace Bailey Cancels NBA Draft Workouts 2:16:11 - MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hey. Welcome back to Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa.
[0:12] Speaker 2: It's Juneteenth, so the staff went all out for the
[0:14] Speaker 2: decorations for the holiday.
[0:15] Speaker 1: It's holiday season. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
[0:21] Speaker 2: As you can see, Josiah and Gilbert, they're off handling
[0:23] Speaker 2: business with the folks at Underdog. I'm two-time NBA champion
[0:26] Speaker 2: Norris Cole filling in as your host for the day.
[0:34] Speaker 2: We got, to my left, NBA champion of the world,
[0:38] Speaker 2: Swaggy P, Nick Young.
[0:40] Speaker 3: Cool game today, so cool.
[0:45] Speaker 2: Okay, okay, to my other side, we got the man
[0:47] Speaker 2: they call money-making, Sonny, NCAA champ, Rashad McCants in the house.
[0:53] Speaker 4: I'm broke, baby.
[0:57] Speaker 2: Back to my left, representing Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd University,
[1:00] Speaker 2: we have Brandon Jennings. And then, of course, to my right,
[1:07] Speaker 2: the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, the former number one pick,
[1:11] Speaker 2: Kenyon Martin.
[1:15] Speaker 5: Kenyon Martin, Jr.
[1:16] Speaker 6: What's up?
[1:16] Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
[1:17] Speaker 4: For all the fans- Real quick, Kenyon, you happy to
[1:20] Speaker 4: be back in that seat today as opposed to where
[1:22] Speaker 4: you were yesterday?
[1:23] Speaker 7: I know that was cool, but yeah, I like my seat.
[1:27] Speaker 7: If I could have hosted from this seat, it would
[1:29] Speaker 7: have been a little bit.
[1:29] Speaker 1: I got you, OG. Don't worry about it.
[1:31] Speaker 5: I got you today. He got to look good right there.
[1:34] Speaker 2: For all the fans, we have two viewing options for
[1:36] Speaker 2: the show, our traditional version and a vertical mobile version.
[1:39] Speaker 2: Pick whichever one you want to watch. Here's what's cracking
[1:42] Speaker 2: in the arena today. Game six of the NBA finals tonight.
[1:46] Speaker 2: Will the Thunder win their first title in franchise history
[1:49] Speaker 2: or will the Pacers push it to a game seven?
[1:52] Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. The Lakers sold for $ 10 billion.
[1:58] Speaker 2: What does that mean for the future of the purple
[2:00] Speaker 2: and gold? Big bank take little bank. And the Sixers
[2:04] Speaker 2: reportedly are looking to running back with the big three.
[2:06] Speaker 6: Is that a good idea or nah?
[2:10] Speaker 2: Before we get into all that, if you want to
[2:12] Speaker 2: get your bread up with underdogs, sign up and use
[2:14] Speaker 2: promo code GIL to receive up to $ 1, 000 in bonus
[2:17] Speaker 2: credit and a special pickle. Gill isn't here today, but
[2:21] Speaker 2: he's sending his game six pick with the partner pack
[2:24] Speaker 2: on the Underdog app. So we got Shea Gill, higher,
[2:30] Speaker 2: two and a half blocks and steals. Pascal Siakam, higher
[2:34] Speaker 2: than 17 and a half points. Alex Caruso, higher than
[2:38] Speaker 2: two and a half blocks and steals. And Aaron Naismith,
[2:41] Speaker 2: higher than one and a half threes. What do y'all
[2:44] Speaker 2: think about them picks?
[2:45] Speaker 1: He got Caruso in his pack now.
[2:48] Speaker 6: Bro, that's crazy.
[2:48] Speaker 1: Hey, give it up to Gil for Caruso in his pack. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:52] Speaker 1: The corners is moving up, boy. The corners is moving up. Dependable.
[2:57] Speaker 6: What's the safest pick.
[2:58] Speaker 1: Up there, though?
[2:59] Speaker 5: Pascal Siakam.
[3:00] Speaker 6: 17 and a half.
[3:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[3:01] Speaker 6: They don't stand a chance if they don't have.
[3:03] Speaker 5: 17 and a half.
[3:03] Speaker 7: Yeah, he got to score 18 points for them to
[3:05] Speaker 7: have a chance to win.
[3:06] Speaker 5: More than that. More than that.
[3:09] Speaker 7: Having Shea and Alex Caruso with blocks and steals is tricky.
[3:14] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[3:16] Speaker 6: Because that's five between them.
[3:18] Speaker 5: They got to get five between them. So that's a lot.
[3:20] Speaker 1: That's a lot. It is a lot.
[3:21] Speaker 2: Are you riding with Gil's partner pack? Let us know
[3:24] Speaker 2: in the post. 71% they riding. 29% say they fading.
[3:29] Speaker 2: If you like our picks and want to ride with them,
[3:32] Speaker 2: head to the Underdog app. And you can get the
[3:35] Speaker 2: audio versions of every episode of Gil's Arena on Spotify, Apple,
[3:38] Speaker 2: and whatever you get your podcasts. We mentioned this at
[3:43] Speaker 2: the end of the show yesterday, but now we have
[3:45] Speaker 2: more details so we can get into it. Yesterday, the
[3:47] Speaker 2: Buss family agreed to sell majority ownership of the Lakers
[3:50] Speaker 2: to Mark Walter for $ 10 billion. That's the highest ever
[3:54] Speaker 2: for a sports franchise here in the United States. Walter
[3:58] Speaker 2: also owns the Dodgers, so you know he would be
[4:00] Speaker 2: willing to invest in the team. But part of the
[4:03] Speaker 2: agreement is that Jeannie Buss will still run the team
[4:05] Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future. Our very own Gilbert Arenas gave
[4:09] Speaker 2: his instant reaction on social media.
[4:14] Speaker 8: So I want to say congratulations, Jenny Buss, but as
[4:18] Speaker 8: selfish as I am, $ 7 billion, that means he's about
[4:22] Speaker 8: to raise the prices and get it back.
[4:23] Speaker 5: Can you just hold on for about?
[4:24] Speaker 8: 12 minutes so I can renew my tickets at the
[4:28] Speaker 8: price that you have them at. Because I know the
[4:32] Speaker 8: person who spends $ 7 billion nosebleeds about to be $.
[4:36] Speaker 9: 500, $ 600 to go see Luka and LeBron.
[4:40] Speaker 8: Okay, so just hold off for about 22 minutes so
[4:44] Speaker 8: I can get it in. But congratulations again. I'm still
[4:47] Speaker 8: going to be a Laker fan, right? Because it don't
[4:50] Speaker 8: cost me nothing from home. I can still watch the
[4:53] Speaker 8: game from home. But I want to keep my seats.
[4:58] Speaker 8: So just tap it. Hold on, Laker Nation. We got
[5:02] Speaker 8: to act fast.
[5:05] Speaker 2: So Gil, obviously, he was joking. But the ticket prices
[5:08] Speaker 2: probably will be going up. So do you think $ 10
[5:10] Speaker 2: billion was too much, too little, or just right to
[5:13] Speaker 2: purchase the Lakers?
[5:14] Speaker 6: Swaggy, what do you think?
[5:16] Speaker 1: Man, I think it was... It could have paid for more.
[5:21] Speaker 1: It could have been more. It's the Lakers. It's L.A.
[5:26] Speaker 10: One of the best franchises ever. Probably the best franchise ever.
[5:33] Speaker 10: And he got Luka. He got Luka.
[5:35] Speaker 1: He got LeBron for a couple more years, maybe. He
[5:38] Speaker 1: got Bronny. You're going to make that money back. And
[5:41] Speaker 1: you just seen what he did with the Dodgers. What's up, Sonny? Oh, Tony. Oh, Tony? Yeah. Man.
[5:49] Speaker 6: BJ, what you got?
[5:51] Speaker 11: I think it's a win for the Buss family.
[5:53] Speaker 12: Um, I mean, when you watch it winning time and
[5:55] Speaker 12: you're seeing, uh, everything they'd had to go through to
[5:57] Speaker 12: get the team, uh, to where it is and Jenny helping.
[6:01] Speaker 11: Um, so when I put them 10 billion, all the
[6:03] Speaker 11: kids get a billion dollars.
[6:04] Speaker 12: Um, I mean, you know, they are the standard of
[6:07] Speaker 12: what it, what it is to, you know, have a
[6:08] Speaker 12: great franchise.
[6:09] Speaker 1: So.
[6:10] Speaker 11: Being from L.A., you know, I'm happy for the Buss family.
[6:12] Speaker 2: Speaking for the Buss family, Jeannie's dad, Jerry Buss, bought
[6:15] Speaker 2: the Lakers in 1979 for $ 67. 5 million in a deal
[6:20] Speaker 2: that also included the Los Angeles Kings and the Forum.
[6:24] Speaker 2: The franchise has now won 11 championships since 1980, the
[6:27] Speaker 2: most of any team in that span.
[6:30] Speaker 6: So was it too much, too little, or just right, O.G.
[6:33] Speaker 5: It's what you pay for, see. It's what it is.
[6:37] Speaker 1: It is what it is.
[6:38] Speaker 7: Whatever the valuation came back as, that's what it is.
[6:43] Speaker 6: Do you think they negotiated or he came in like, hey,
[6:45] Speaker 6: $ 10 billion, I want it?
[6:46] Speaker 5: Whatever the number was, it was. When you're talking them numbers, man, that's... Right? 9, 10, 8.
[6:52] Speaker 5: It doesn't really.
[7:02] Speaker 13: Matter.
[7:03] Speaker 1: Matter.
[7:04] Speaker 5: You talking them kind of numbers.
[7:06] Speaker 11: I can't even.
[7:07] Speaker 1: So, but no. Do we hurt not having that bus name, though?
[7:10] Speaker 5: No, it does not.
[7:11] Speaker 7: I'm saying they're still involved, right? They're still involved, but
[7:13] Speaker 7: this dude, like, I'm saying they're still, I'm saying minority owners,
[7:16] Speaker 7: but having someone who's a businessman, a sportsman, you own
[7:20] Speaker 7: the Dodge, you see what they've been doing over there,
[7:22] Speaker 7: just coming off a World Series win. And he's not
[7:26] Speaker 7: afraid to open the checkbook. But over here, there's a
[7:30] Speaker 7: luxury tax, and there's an apron. So there are certain
[7:33] Speaker 7: things in basketball that doesn't apply in baseball.
[7:37] Speaker 5: But he's willing to open the checkbook.
[7:39] Speaker 11: What do you think, Charlie?
[7:42] Speaker 1: Total jack move. Who over there with the Dodgers?
[7:48] Speaker 6: Magic.
[7:48] Speaker 1: Huh? Magic. Who? Magic. Magic. Voila. Took over, right? Voila.
[7:54] Speaker 1: He in that group. Voila.
[7:57] Speaker 6: Talk to him.
[7:59] Speaker 1: Huh?
[7:59] Speaker 14: You ain't never seen no abracadabra shit happen before. About
[8:02] Speaker 14: to see it in real time.
[8:04] Speaker 1: How much he get though?
[8:04] Speaker 14: We're going to turn it back to Staples Center. We're
[8:07] Speaker 14: going to turn it back. We're going to bring it back.
[8:09] Speaker 1: Lakers. We're going to bring the Lakers back. Okay. What's
[8:13] Speaker 1: the legacy though?
[8:14] Speaker 6: What's the legacy of the Buss family owning the Lakers?
[8:17] Speaker 5: Great history of the game, man, and the sport. Greatness.
[8:20] Speaker 11: They changed the game.
[8:22] Speaker 5: Like, Yeah, Laker girls.
[8:25] Speaker 7: That was Dr.
[8:27] Speaker 5: Buster's idea.
[8:28] Speaker 7: So it's entertainment, man, at its finest, right? Courtside seats,
[8:33] Speaker 7: Laker girls. So he showed people that this is entertainment, right?
[8:38] Speaker 7: Us being in Hollywood, L.A., everything else is entertainment around us.
[8:42] Speaker 7: So this should fit that as well. So that's exactly
[8:46] Speaker 7: what it was. Inside the arena, like the club.
[8:49] Speaker 11: So that's dope.
[8:49] Speaker 6: The best ownership group in American sports history?
[8:51] Speaker 15: Mm-hmm.
[8:52] Speaker 1: Andy Kiffin in the family.
[8:54] Speaker 5: I don't know that. I haven't done enough deep dives. Yeah, Yankees,
[9:00] Speaker 5: they are definitely up there.
[9:02] Speaker 7: So there's people who've owned NFL franchises since they've.
[9:06] Speaker 5: Been in existence, right? As far as the entertainment side.
[9:11] Speaker 1: Entertainment side, yeah.
[9:12] Speaker 5: You don't know.
[9:13] Speaker 1: Entertainment side, yeah.
[9:14] Speaker 11: Okay.
[9:15] Speaker 2: Well, let's look ahead. What's next for the team? What
[9:16] Speaker 2: y'all think moving forward? Will this affect free agents coming,
[9:20] Speaker 2: free agents leaving?
[9:22] Speaker 5: It's an open checkbook, man. As much as he can't
[9:26] Speaker 5: open it, it's open. He's proven that he's willing to pay.
[9:29] Speaker 1: For real?
[9:30] Speaker 5: He's proven.
[9:31] Speaker 7: You've got Mookie Betts over there. You've got Otani. I'm
[9:35] Speaker 7: saying when Matt Kemp was there, they've been... They spend.
[9:39] Speaker 5: They spend.
[9:40] Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. I hear you, bud.
[9:42] Speaker 5: It says Mirror Magic.
[9:44] Speaker 1: They about to go make some moves. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch.
[9:50] Speaker 1: Watch.
[9:50] Speaker 14: Y'all think everybody thinks they safe. Moves about to be made.
[9:54] Speaker 11: Watch.
[9:55] Speaker 14: Moves are still around.
[9:57] Speaker 1: The fact they safe is going to take care of this.
[10:00] Speaker 5: Jenny's still running the team.
[10:01] Speaker 14: And you know Magic loves Jenny. Listen, Jenny's been waiting
[10:05] Speaker 14: to hand it over to Magic. She's been trying to
[10:07] Speaker 14: figure out a way to hand it over to Magic.
[10:10] Speaker 14: How can I do it without just firing.
[10:12] Speaker 1: Rob and just being like, ah, because I got to
[10:13] Speaker 1: get rid of him.
[10:14] Speaker 5: Hey, Magic, won't your group come in here?
[10:17] Speaker 1: Boy. But Buss said he was taking care of Magic, though.
[10:21] Speaker 1: Magic being his, like, everything.
[10:23] Speaker 5: Magic a businessman. Let him be a businessman. Let's not
[10:26] Speaker 5: have him over there trying to make basketball decisions. We
[10:28] Speaker 5: saw where that went.
[10:29] Speaker 1: He tired of tweeting. Hey, you just in the group, bro.
[10:31] Speaker 1: You do what you do. You continue to be the
[10:33] Speaker 1: businessman you are. You broke everything. In the room, do be.
[10:38] Speaker 3: Smile.
[10:39] Speaker 1: He got Brian over. We know you are. He got
[10:42] Speaker 1: Brian over.
[10:42] Speaker 3: We saw what it was in.
[10:43] Speaker 5: That front office shit.
[10:44] Speaker 1: He got Brian over. He got Brian over. What do
[10:46] Speaker 1: you mean? That's what they need. He can recruit. Why
[10:48] Speaker 1: you think ain't nobody there? Smile, tweet. Go in these rooms.
[10:57] Speaker 14: And magic we're gonna be like all day long magic
[10:59] Speaker 14: when I want to be a little magic One of
[11:03] Speaker 14: the most winning is Lakers.
[11:07] Speaker 7: Magic Johnson is just why you think he reappearing on TV?
[11:11] Speaker 7: He don't show back up unless he make it move.
[11:14] Speaker 7: So yeah, you bought the takeover the Lakers y'all ain't paying.
[11:17] Speaker 11: Attention Seats at the man.
[11:19] Speaker 1: You got Lebron Johnson man.
[11:21] Speaker 7: They're not training smart. Oh He going to get whoever
[11:25] Speaker 7: he want. He got a check. But they ain't getting it.
[11:27] Speaker 7: But they not getting it. He let Luka know. Luka
[11:30] Speaker 7: need to get it. What'd he say? What'd he say?
[11:33] Speaker 1: Superstars put motherfucking bodies in seats.
[11:36] Speaker 7: And they got two of them. So ain't neither one
[11:39] Speaker 7: of them going nowhere. There's a lot of superstars out
[11:40] Speaker 7: there that take this check.
[11:42] Speaker 5: Not them two, though.
[11:43] Speaker 6: So will they be in contention this year?
[11:44] Speaker 1: Who? Lakers.
[11:46] Speaker 5: As current constructed? No. They need some help.
[11:52] Speaker 1: They still was three at the end of the day. What?
[11:57] Speaker 1: A lot.
[11:57] Speaker 7: The NBA players name out there a lot.
[12:00] Speaker 11: That's what they need.
[12:01] Speaker 10: Lakers was the three seed and it was without really
[12:04] Speaker 10: playing together. They could get past the second round. They
[12:08] Speaker 10: could get past the first round if they don't make
[12:10] Speaker 10: no move. If they don't make no move and just
[12:13] Speaker 10: gelling a full year together.
[12:15] Speaker 1: Ooh.
[12:16] Speaker 5: I don't know, man.
[12:18] Speaker 7: You don't think these other teams are getting better?
[12:22] Speaker 1: All the other teams. What other teams are getting better?
[12:24] Speaker 1: The young teams. All the three teams. Besides OKC. Houston. OKC.
[12:29] Speaker 1: San Antonio. All these teams are going to be better. Dallas.
[12:33] Speaker 1: Dallas is going to be better.
[12:35] Speaker 10: They still got scared Jalen Green that don't know how
[12:39] Speaker 10: he's going to play unless the coach let him play sometimes.
[12:42] Speaker 1: So you're not worried. One guy. You're not worried. You're
[12:44] Speaker 1: talking about one guy. You need him. Huh? You need him.
[12:46] Speaker 1: But you're talking about one guy. You need that one guy. Yeah,
[12:49] Speaker 1: but you.
[12:49] Speaker 5: The rest of the West ain't going to be... Listen,
[12:51] Speaker 5: I'm telling you.
[12:51] Speaker 1: Denver don't look the same. The West is up for grabs.
[12:53] Speaker 6: They could be a three-seater game. Denver don't look the same.
[12:55] Speaker 6: They could be in the play.
[12:56] Speaker 11: The Lakers do got to make a move, though.
[12:57] Speaker 1: Denver make a move.
[12:58] Speaker 5: They're going to get better. But if they don't, they're
[13:00] Speaker 5: not going to stay the same. I promise you.
[13:02] Speaker 1: I know they're not. The Lakers are not going to
[13:03] Speaker 1: stay the same, though.
[13:04] Speaker 7: But if you start the season off, if we start
[13:09] Speaker 7: the season off, everybody stay the same, you think they
[13:11] Speaker 7: won't get past the first round?
[13:13] Speaker 5: Depends on who y'all play in the first round.
[13:14] Speaker 6: Match-ups.
[13:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[13:15] Speaker 5: Who you playing?
[13:16] Speaker 1: Who you playing? Who you playing? Who you playing? Don't
[13:18] Speaker 1: be studying. Don't be studying. Now you don't want to
[13:20] Speaker 1: play Minnesota. Now you don't want to play Minnesota. Now
[13:23] Speaker 1: you don't want to play Minnesota.
[13:24] Speaker 11: Now you don't want.
[13:25] Speaker 1: To play Minnesota. Now you don't want to play Minnesota.
[13:28] Speaker 1: You play Denver, though.
[13:29] Speaker 5: No, you know what he's been doing.
[13:31] Speaker 1: You ain't got nothing for that. You ain't got nothing
[13:34] Speaker 1: for that. You want to look up these last four years?
[13:37] Speaker 10: What happened last year?
[13:40] Speaker 7: Versus the Lakers in the playoffs. Do you want to
[13:42] Speaker 7: look them numbers up? His eyes light up when he
[13:45] Speaker 7: see that purple and gold out there in the playoffs.
[13:47] Speaker 7: He like, oh, this is cool.
[13:49] Speaker 1: Hey, where the daycare at? The only thing I'd be
[13:52] Speaker 1: worried about was location.
[13:53] Speaker 2: I think before they bought this team, do you think
[13:55] Speaker 2: ownership asks, are they going to be able to keep
[13:57] Speaker 2: LeBron and Luka? Or do you think they bought the
[13:59] Speaker 2: team not worrying about they can retain... LeBron and Luka.
[14:02] Speaker 1: I ain't worried about that.
[14:03] Speaker 12: Because you're the Lakers, so you're always going to be
[14:06] Speaker 12: able to get somebody.
[14:07] Speaker 11: You're the Lakers.
[14:09] Speaker 5: You're the Lakers.
[14:11] Speaker 6: Is that a question you would ask them? I would
[14:13] Speaker 6: ask that question.
[14:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you put Luka and LeBron out there, somebody.
[14:17] Speaker 10: How are you going to be able to get them, though?
[14:20] Speaker 5: These dudes going to be here, man. LeBron going to
[14:22] Speaker 5: retire at Laker. If he wants to. Your future is Luka.
[14:27] Speaker 5: He still puts bodies in the seats.
[14:29] Speaker 1: You need more than that.
[14:31] Speaker 5: But he's still.
[14:32] Speaker 7: What if they don't give him? He's still the first
[14:36] Speaker 7: team All-NBA player, man. So they can't give him the max.
[14:39] Speaker 1: Who? Luka. Nobody can, though.
[14:42] Speaker 7: So let's say they don't agree to terms.
[14:46] Speaker 6: They might want to go short term.
[14:48] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So what happens if the term
[14:51] Speaker 1: is not met and Luka like... That man ain't going nowhere, bro.
[14:53] Speaker 1: He ain't going nowhere.
[14:54] Speaker 7: That's what I say. Can you walk away from that?
[14:58] Speaker 7: Can you walk away from the Lakers?
[14:59] Speaker 1: No.
[15:00] Speaker 3: Where, bro.
[15:01] Speaker 1: He ain't going nowhere.
[15:02] Speaker 7: If they don't give you what you can, could a
[15:05] Speaker 7: player walk away from the Lakers right now? Could you
[15:09] Speaker 7: walk away from the Lakers?
[15:10] Speaker 5: This man just gave a baseball player $ 700 million.
[15:12] Speaker 1: I know, but he can't give him Max. They can't
[15:15] Speaker 1: give Luka the Max. They can't give him the Supermax.
[15:18] Speaker 6: They can't give him the Supermax.
[15:19] Speaker 1: They can't give him $ 350.
[15:20] Speaker 14: Whatever the penny amount is under that, he's going to
[15:22] Speaker 14: give it to him.
[15:23] Speaker 1: No, no. Put him in a couple movies. Put him
[15:30] Speaker 1: in a couple movies. What's the max? What's the max?
[15:33] Speaker 1: Right up under the super max. That's what that number
[15:36] Speaker 1: going to be. To the penny. To the penny.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Ron still haven't accepted the clear option yet.
[15:46] Speaker 5: Willing to pay whatever that number is.
[15:48] Speaker 1: What's the tax? What's the luxury tax for teams right now?
[15:50] Speaker 5: Yeah, no, for sure.
[15:51] Speaker 1: I mean, we need to find out.
[15:52] Speaker 11: I know he's going to spend the money.
[15:54] Speaker 1: He'll go over the luxury tax. Whatever he's allowed to do,
[15:58] Speaker 1: he is going to do to win.
[16:00] Speaker 5: You should.
[16:01] Speaker 14: But that's what the Lakers have been doing. They've been
[16:03] Speaker 14: penny-pinching the last six years.
[16:06] Speaker 6: So, you can go.
[16:07] Speaker 4: Into the luxury tax to sign a player you already have.
[16:10] Speaker 4: It's just a choice the franchise has to make, but
[16:13] Speaker 4: extension options for Luka Four years, $ 229. If he waits
[16:17] Speaker 4: until next summer, five years, $ 295. Or he could do,
[16:22] Speaker 4: if you want to do the shorter deal, he could
[16:23] Speaker 4: do three for $ 165 and then go for the Supermax
[16:28] Speaker 4: you assume he would be eligible for in 2029.
[16:29] Speaker 5: That's the move right there.
[16:32] Speaker 1: Let's chop change them. Keep him for three years.
[16:34] Speaker 5: Chop change them.
[16:36] Speaker 1: See what he can do in three years.
[16:37] Speaker 10: Would you be able to sign him to the extension
[16:40] Speaker 10: for the Supermax after two?
[16:41] Speaker 1: After three.
[16:42] Speaker 7: Because if he plays 65 games, make sure he's eligible
[16:45] Speaker 7: for the Super Bowl.
[16:46] Speaker 5: Because he's going to be a first, second.
[16:48] Speaker 6: First team's off for sure.
[16:49] Speaker 1: 100% off. So it renews every year? Say it again now?
[16:51] Speaker 1: Every year it renews. But it's eligible though. He was
[16:57] Speaker 1: eligible this year. No, he didn't play 65 games.
[16:59] Speaker 6: And he got traded. When you get traded, you lose
[17:01] Speaker 6: your bird rights.
[17:02] Speaker 1: You lose your bird rights.
[17:03] Speaker 5: And he didn't play 65 games.
[17:05] Speaker 7: So this year, he can be re-eligible to.
[17:09] Speaker 1: Go after this next season.
[17:10] Speaker 7: We might as well just play it out and be
[17:13] Speaker 7: first team.
[17:14] Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
[17:14] Speaker 5: So this whole next.
[17:15] Speaker 7: Season with the Lakers is kind of like a fuck
[17:18] Speaker 7: around season.
[17:19] Speaker 1: Lakers is going to go into that luggage package.
[17:23] Speaker 14: So they can really use this next year to really
[17:28] Speaker 14: bring in some experimental pieces just for him.
[17:31] Speaker 5: Young, athletic, rim-protecting, lob-catching bigs, man.
[17:48] Speaker 1: You need two of them for sure. You need a
[17:51] Speaker 1: couple shooters. You need athletes at these positions, man.
[17:55] Speaker 7: You need people that can all go to positions, that
[17:59] Speaker 7: take the pressure off LeBron, let him go do what
[18:01] Speaker 7: he do, let him be the facilitator when he need
[18:02] Speaker 7: to be, let him play the forward or whatever, let
[18:04] Speaker 7: Luka do it. But you got to put some pieces
[18:06] Speaker 7: that fit what these two dudes need right now to
[18:09] Speaker 7: be successful.
[18:10] Speaker 6: To do that, he's got to go to the luxury tax.
[18:12] Speaker 1: You need structure. Next season?
[18:16] Speaker 5: There's a lot.
[18:17] Speaker 1: Next season? They going to win a tip next season?
[18:20] Speaker 1: You need structure.
[18:21] Speaker 6: Y'all hear them on the side?
[18:22] Speaker 1: You need structure. In the next two years, I got them.
[18:25] Speaker 1: You need structure.
[18:26] Speaker 11: Next two years, okay.
[18:28] Speaker 14: Coaching, structure. That's what the Lakers need. They don't need
[18:31] Speaker 14: nothing else but a system. You're going to make all
[18:34] Speaker 14: that money back. If they go out and get all that,
[18:37] Speaker 14: and don't got no system. They look like they been looking.
[18:40] Speaker 14: Like every other team look, running around trying to figure
[18:42] Speaker 14: out who.
[18:43] Speaker 1: Play what role. They look like the fucking Phoenix Suns.
[18:47] Speaker 1: They look like the third seed.
[18:48] Speaker 5: It's tough.
[18:49] Speaker 1: Right?
[18:49] Speaker 7: So you're out there and you're looking like everybody don't
[18:52] Speaker 7: got no role.
[18:53] Speaker 5: Unless you want to turn fours and shit.
[18:55] Speaker 1: Man, turn.
[18:56] Speaker 14: We need to figure out what the system is.
[18:58] Speaker 6: What are we doing?
[19:00] Speaker 14: You got to develop something because you can't play around
[19:02] Speaker 14: these two dudes, right?
[19:04] Speaker 1: These two passers, playmakers. Mm-hmm.
[19:07] Speaker 14: So what kind of offense are you putting in instead
[19:09] Speaker 14: of pick and roll, rise and roll?
[19:12] Speaker 7: Like that shit is just old, right? And we do
[19:15] Speaker 7: it every time down now.
[19:17] Speaker 14: And it's like if you're a coach and you don't
[19:18] Speaker 14: got no real sets, it's like run this set for
[19:21] Speaker 14: LeBron to get the ball here. They got to double him.
[19:24] Speaker 14: He can pass out of this shit or we're going
[19:26] Speaker 14: to get a bucket and one.
[19:27] Speaker 1: What about LeBron?
[19:28] Speaker 10: LeBron ain't never look like Phoenix in none of his careers.
[19:31] Speaker 7: Okay, you going to play that role today? You going
[19:33] Speaker 7: to play that role today? None of his teams have.
[19:34] Speaker 7: You going to stand on it?
[19:37] Speaker 14: I just seen you turn into it. I was like, damn,
[19:39] Speaker 14: you just stand on that? Hey, we got the polls. 18%
[19:41] Speaker 14: said too much.
[19:42] Speaker 1: 19% said too little.
[19:50] Speaker 2: Oh, the poll was, did they make the right move?
[19:53] Speaker 2: Was it too much, too little, or the right price
[19:55] Speaker 2: for the sales price? 63% said it was the right price.
[19:58] Speaker 6: 19% said it was too little. 18% said it was
[19:59] Speaker 6: too much, so.
[20:03] Speaker 6: The right price.
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[21:12] Speaker 4: your first order. Back to you, Norris on the Sixers.
[21:16] Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
[21:16] Speaker 2: Let's move on to the 76ers, who are coming off
[21:19] Speaker 2: a disappointing season. We saw their big three of Joel Embiid,
[21:22] Speaker 2: Paul George, and Tyrese Maxey playing just 15 games.
[21:26] Speaker 6: Together due to various injuries.
[21:28] Speaker 2: According to a report from Max Stern, the Sixers are
[21:31] Speaker 2: planning to run it back with their big three to
[21:33] Speaker 2: give them another chance to contend for a championship. Is
[21:36] Speaker 2: it smart for the Sixers to run it back with
[21:38] Speaker 2: their big three, or should they be moving on?
[21:39] Speaker 6: What y'all think, Couch? Kmart, what you got?
[21:43] Speaker 5: They didn't play enough to know what they got. Together, right?
[21:47] Speaker 7: They ain't playing no basketball games to know exactly what
[21:49] Speaker 7: they have. Jared McCain was out. Yeah, they decided they
[21:56] Speaker 7: needed to make moves to get off some of that
[21:57] Speaker 7: money last year, so they really don't know what they have.
[22:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, I can hear you. I hear the show, too.
[22:03] Speaker 5: Yeah, they.
[22:08] Speaker 5: Yeah, but they don't know what they have as a
[22:11] Speaker 5: unit yet. So for them to bring it back, I
[22:13] Speaker 5: think it only makes sense. You got a lot of
[22:15] Speaker 5: money invested in those three players.
[22:19] Speaker 1: Were they ever playing enough games?
[22:20] Speaker 5: Putting the right pieces around to make sense in order
[22:24] Speaker 5: to hold the joy of the cannibal.
[22:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ready to go.
[22:28] Speaker 5: It's the first thing, so.
[22:30] Speaker 11: What do you think?
[22:32] Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on back there? Hey, yo.
[22:36] Speaker 11: Right on the set.
[22:40] Speaker 6: Shadi talking right now. What you got, Shadi?
[22:43] Speaker 1: What was the question?
[22:44] Speaker 6: Is it smart for the Sixers to run it back?
[22:49] Speaker 5: With PG, Joel, and Tyrese.
[22:55] Speaker 1: Is it smart for them to run it back? Did
[22:57] Speaker 1: he ask Chachimi T? He asked him. Nah.
[23:04] Speaker 5: Nah.
[23:05] Speaker 1: But you ain't got no choice. Talk about it. Really,
[23:08] Speaker 1: you don't really got no choice. You're not going to
[23:10] Speaker 1: move none of these pieces.
[23:11] Speaker 11: You can't.
[23:12] Speaker 1: So.
[23:13] Speaker 5: Only move a piece of Tyrese Max and you can't
[23:15] Speaker 5: do that, so.
[23:16] Speaker 1: I mean, you just wouldn't. It wouldn't make sense. You can't.
[23:19] Speaker 5: You just can't.
[23:20] Speaker 14: I mean, the conversation is just are they going to
[23:23] Speaker 14: underachieve more?
[23:27] Speaker 1: You know.
[23:28] Speaker 7: Are they going to underachieve? And I think if they
[23:31] Speaker 7: keep underachieving... um it's going to be a detriment to
[23:36] Speaker 7: the city of philadelphia they're going to keep being disappointed
[23:40] Speaker 7: keep going through the process just need some killers really
[23:44] Speaker 7: need some killers out there just want to go out
[23:46] Speaker 7: there and represent what the energy of philly is out
[23:49] Speaker 7: there that like the dog energy that alan iverson energy
[23:52] Speaker 7: they haven't had that energy since like i think maxie
[23:55] Speaker 7: gives you a burst of that but he ain't not
[23:58] Speaker 7: he don't give you that That thuggish AI, that Charles Barkley,
[24:04] Speaker 7: like that, that they missing that.
[24:07] Speaker 1: And I think they waiting for that. They just need
[24:09] Speaker 1: somebody to come in.
[24:10] Speaker 14: Jimmy Butler, I think they felt a little bit, but
[24:13] Speaker 14: it wasn't, still wasn't Russell Westbrook type shit. And I
[24:18] Speaker 14: think none of those personalities fit that. And I think
[24:22] Speaker 14: that's why they keep struggling.
[24:24] Speaker 1: They don't feel the identity.
[24:26] Speaker 14: They struggle to get the city on their back because
[24:28] Speaker 14: they don't have nobody stepping out.
[24:30] Speaker 10: Are they the most disappointing team so far?
[24:33] Speaker 1: Like in the last five?
[24:35] Speaker 7: Phoenix probably the number one. And then the Clippers before that.
[24:38] Speaker 7: Clippers with PG. PG probably on two of them teams
[24:42] Speaker 7: that should be doing shit. Should have been doing shit.
[24:47] Speaker 14: Actually on three teams because the OKC team.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Him, Russ. What was that? Mellow?
[24:52] Speaker 6: Was that Mellow?
[24:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, they was killing. You know what I'm saying?
[24:58] Speaker 14: But the expectation was, shit, PG fresh off. This fresh
[25:03] Speaker 14: PG 13.
[25:06] Speaker 11: What you think?
[25:07] Speaker 1: Did they lose first round, I think?
[25:09] Speaker 6: That's when they met him with the bye-bye. Smart to
[25:15] Speaker 6: bring him back. What you think?
[25:16] Speaker 12: I agree with what Kenya said because they don't know
[25:18] Speaker 12: what they really have. Yeah, they ain't played together. So
[25:21] Speaker 12: I'll definitely run it back. I mean, they do have
[25:23] Speaker 12: the talent. MB, when he is playing, when he is healthy,
[25:27] Speaker 12: he's one of the best players in the NBA. When
[25:29] Speaker 12: Paul George is healthy and Tyrese, they're all playing together.
[25:32] Speaker 11: I think they'll be all right.
[25:33] Speaker 2: How many years are we going to keep saying if
[25:35] Speaker 2: he's healthy? That's the question because.
[25:38] Speaker 7: It's literally every single year.
[25:41] Speaker 1: We were saying that in L.A. When he was in L.A.
[25:43] Speaker 11: With the Clippers.
[25:45] Speaker 2: For both of them, it's like if they can stay healthy.
[25:47] Speaker 2: It's been like that for like six straight years.
[25:48] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[25:49] Speaker 10: How do you run it back and you don't get
[25:51] Speaker 10: enough games to see if they can really gel? Next year,
[25:56] Speaker 10: you don't know if he's going to play that many games.
[25:58] Speaker 10: I'm not playing back-to-back.
[26:00] Speaker 1: So this is.
[26:01] Speaker 7: From somebody who dealt with injuries and shit, right? I'm
[26:03] Speaker 7: speaking for PG and Joel, right? I had to figure
[26:09] Speaker 7: out something different during the summer. I had to do
[26:12] Speaker 7: something different, right? Whatever it was, I had to do
[26:16] Speaker 7: something different. Coming off two microfracture surgeries, had my patella repaired, like,
[26:23] Speaker 7: I had to do something different for his training in
[26:25] Speaker 7: order to make sure that I could play.
[26:28] Speaker 5: Right? I'm good at basketball already. See, this is the thing, man.
[26:33] Speaker 7: Like people get, these guys are so fucking caught up
[26:36] Speaker 7: in numbers and not being available.
[26:40] Speaker 1: Right?
[26:41] Speaker 7: For me, it was me being available. I sacrificed numbers
[26:45] Speaker 7: and shit to be available.
[26:48] Speaker 6: So to clear it up, you mean a cat brother
[26:49] Speaker 6: say he played 32 games, averaged 30.
[26:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[26:52] Speaker 6: Instead of saying I played 55 or 60, 70.
[26:54] Speaker 5: Games and I averaged 17.
[26:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[26:57] Speaker 5: Like, you gotta, like, I had to find a different way.
[27:01] Speaker 1: That's a culture. That's the culture that has become that.
[27:04] Speaker 1: Boxing culture, all that shit.
[27:05] Speaker 7: You have missed so much time. These dudes have missed
[27:08] Speaker 7: so much time, man. Like, if this means something to you,
[27:11] Speaker 7: you gotta find a different way. And then for me, okay, cool.
[27:16] Speaker 7: It was free throws, spot jumpers, working on all that
[27:19] Speaker 7: other shit. I had to eliminate it.
[27:21] Speaker 10: But if they average 17, people would say, oh, that's
[27:24] Speaker 10: a down year.
[27:25] Speaker 5: But you're available. But if you explain this shit to
[27:28] Speaker 5: people instead of being fucking hidden and like, I don't
[27:31] Speaker 5: want to answer questions and all this. No, tell people, listen,
[27:34] Speaker 5: I did this, I did this in order for me
[27:36] Speaker 5: to play motherfucking 82 games.
[27:37] Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.
[27:39] Speaker 1: When I don't play... You're going to talk shit. So
[27:45] Speaker 1: let me play. Let me do it this way.
[27:47] Speaker 5: Let me only play fucking 25 minutes a night so
[27:50] Speaker 5: I can play 70 games. Be available for the playoffs.
[27:54] Speaker 1: That's what they got to do.
[27:56] Speaker 14: That's what I'm looking at what you said. You're like,
[27:59] Speaker 14: all right, for the 17 points a game, my ego
[28:01] Speaker 14: takes a hit. Because I'm coming down from 27. But
[28:04] Speaker 14: this is the reason why I don't.
[28:05] Speaker 1: Take a hit.
[28:09] Speaker 14: Because that 17, those games I wasn't going to be available,
[28:12] Speaker 14: and I stuck at that points per game.
[28:15] Speaker 1: Now I'm available, and we win these games.
[28:17] Speaker 7: But I might give you $ 30, 000. But we lose the
[28:19] Speaker 7: games I'm not available. We lose them games. Like 85%
[28:22] Speaker 7: of the time.
[28:23] Speaker 1: But what I do.
[28:25] Speaker 7: To stay available, to regulate my points, I still give
[28:28] Speaker 7: my team 17, 18 production. And I feel them other voice. Look, no, no,
[28:33] Speaker 7: not on chance.
[28:34] Speaker 1: Indeed.
[28:34] Speaker 7: We win them games. Now, we're going to the playoffs now.
[28:38] Speaker 7: I might not get the credit of being the 25,
[28:42] Speaker 7: 26 a game to do that and lead us, but
[28:45] Speaker 7: that 15, 17 that I gave, and I'm available, like
[28:48] Speaker 7: you said, I'm available 82.
[28:49] Speaker 1: 79 games. We're going to be ready. And I'm still
[28:51] Speaker 1: this guy. I'm still this guy, but I'm just doing less.
[28:53] Speaker 7: And it's more days off. So the thing is, like,
[29:04] Speaker 7: Them dudes have been all NBA players. Joel, Paul, they've
[29:08] Speaker 7: been all NBA players. Yeah, they want to win. So
[29:11] Speaker 7: we get it, man. You're really good. Like, you are
[29:14] Speaker 7: really good at basketball. Nobody is questioning that.
[29:16] Speaker 6: Quick, quick break. We're going to get back to that.
[29:17] Speaker 6: But we have our guests. They in the house. They ready.
[29:19] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.
[29:21] Speaker 6: Let's bring him in.
[29:23] Speaker 11: Let's bring him in.
[29:25] Speaker 1: Here we go. Big Purr. Big Purr.
[29:28] Speaker 5: What's good, big fella?
[29:31] Speaker 1: Big Purr, you can hear me? What's going on? Hey,
[29:35] Speaker 1: we sitting here talking about the Sixers. Should they run
[29:38] Speaker 1: it back?
[29:38] Speaker 2: Is it smart for them to run it back with
[29:39] Speaker 2: they big or should they move on to something different?
[29:41] Speaker 1: What you think?
[29:42] Speaker 3: Well, I don't think they have a fucking choice. They
[29:44] Speaker 3: got to run it back.
[29:45] Speaker 16: I think, you know, last year, you know, I got
[29:48] Speaker 16: called everything but a child of God when I told them,
[29:52] Speaker 16: to shut Joel Embiid down. It was like a season
[29:57] Speaker 16: ago when he came back off the meniscus surgery and
[30:01] Speaker 16: he went to play in the postseason. I was like, man,
[30:04] Speaker 16: y'all should just shut him down, put a plan in place,
[30:08] Speaker 16: and then have him ready for the regular season.
[30:11] Speaker 3: But they didn't. They let him play through the Knicks series.
[30:14] Speaker 16: All of a sudden, you watch him go and play
[30:16] Speaker 16: in the Olympics, and you get to the regular season,
[30:19] Speaker 16: and he wasn't available. He wasn't available. And then all
[30:23] Speaker 16: of a sudden you look at Paul George. He's dealing
[30:26] Speaker 16: with injuries, right? I started to question whether or not
[30:29] Speaker 16: he really wanted to even be in Philly, the way
[30:32] Speaker 16: that he was playing at times. I think if you're
[30:34] Speaker 16: Darrell Moore, if you're the Philadelphia 76ers, you've got to
[30:37] Speaker 16: run it back. But Tyrese Maxey is your guy. Like,
[30:41] Speaker 16: they've got to be hashed out in the locker room. Like,
[30:46] Speaker 16: Darren Moore can't be on record saying, oh, yeah, we're
[30:48] Speaker 16: still running this franchise through Joel Embiid, who you don't
[30:52] Speaker 16: know who's going to be available. No, that franchise belongs
[30:55] Speaker 16: to Tyrese Maxson. I believe you give it a shot.
[30:58] Speaker 16: The East is still wide open. We don't know what's
[31:02] Speaker 16: going to happen with the Celtics. So, yeah, you run
[31:04] Speaker 16: it back.
[31:05] Speaker 2: Okay, let me give you the proper intro to the chat.
[31:08] Speaker 2: As you can see, our next guest, Big Perk, 14-year
[31:11] Speaker 2: vet who won a title with the Boston Celtics in 2008.
[31:14] Speaker 2: He's currently an NBA analyst for ESPN and can be
[31:18] Speaker 2: seen on the NBA Countdown, NBA Today, First Take, and
[31:21] Speaker 2: other platforms. He can also be seen on the Road Trippin'
[31:24] Speaker 2: podcast with Richard Jefferson, Shannon Fry, and Ali Clifton.
[31:28] Speaker 6: Big Perk, welcome to Gil's Arena, big dog.
[31:30] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[31:33] Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
[31:35] Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
[31:37] Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
[31:37] Speaker 1: Welcome to the arena.
[31:39] Speaker 16: I appreciate it, man. We might have to start this
[31:41] Speaker 16: shit over, man, so you can give me that intro again.
[31:44] Speaker 1: Nah, you did it right.
[31:44] Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all, man.
[31:45] Speaker 16: Y'all been killing that shit, man. Speaking the real, you
[31:48] Speaker 16: know what I'm saying? Keeping the 1,000. You know, saying
[31:51] Speaker 16: a lot of shit that I can't say at times
[31:54] Speaker 16: because I do work at Disney, but I be feeling
[31:56] Speaker 16: the same way.
[31:56] Speaker 1: Big Perk, the polls....
[32:02] Speaker 2: They're not agreeing with you. The polls are asking, is
[32:06] Speaker 2: it smart to run it back?
[32:07] Speaker 6: The polls said 36% said yes, 64% said no. What
[32:10] Speaker 6: you got to say about that?
[32:11] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, who are the polls? Are they thinking logically?
[32:17] Speaker 1: Are they thinking logically?
[32:20] Speaker 16: Yeah, who the fucking polls? This is what you got
[32:23] Speaker 16: to ask yourself. At this moment in time, okay, if
[32:28] Speaker 16: you want to say you're going to trade Paul George,
[32:31] Speaker 16: who's taking it?
[32:32] Speaker 3: Who's taking that contract right now?
[32:34] Speaker 1: Nobody.
[32:34] Speaker 3: Nobody, nobody.
[32:36] Speaker 16: Okay, if you want to trade Joel Embiid, you can
[32:39] Speaker 16: trade him, but you're not going to get back what
[32:41] Speaker 16: you should for him.
[32:44] Speaker 1: Right?
[32:44] Speaker 16: And who's going to really take a chance on that?
[32:46] Speaker 16: So you're stuck, and you damn sure better not trade
[32:49] Speaker 16: Tyrese Maxey.
[32:52] Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree with that.
[32:54] Speaker 1: McCain, McCain, oh.
[32:57] Speaker 5: Six-man.
[32:58] Speaker 6: McCain.
[32:59] Speaker 1: Get off McCain? Six-man is your candidate. You need McCain. No,
[33:02] Speaker 1: you need him.
[33:03] Speaker 10: You need him. You need him for what? You never
[33:05] Speaker 10: know how PG and him go at it. Man, what
[33:07] Speaker 10: can we get for him? I'm not trading him either.
[33:09] Speaker 10: What can we get for him? He cheap made right now.
[33:11] Speaker 1: He on the rookie deal. He gonna be your preacher
[33:15] Speaker 1: right now.
[33:15] Speaker 5: He on the rookie deal.
[33:16] Speaker 1: Gotta add him on to something. Motown team deal. He
[33:18] Speaker 1: gonna be your preacher. Motown team deal, man. He gonna
[33:23] Speaker 1: move around. He the only piece you got. What you
[33:26] Speaker 1: got over there? Eric Gordon?
[33:28] Speaker 5: A lot of them dudes gonna be.
[33:29] Speaker 1: Like who? Who you got? Oh, man.
[33:32] Speaker 3: That's why. That's why.
[33:33] Speaker 1: Kelly Oubre. Kelly Oubre. He's been balling, though.
[33:37] Speaker 3: That's why it's going to be.
[33:38] Speaker 16: That's why it's going to be interesting to see what
[33:41] Speaker 16: the hell they're going to do with this number three pick.
[33:44] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[33:45] Speaker 3: Right. Can you pack some shit up and get better?
[33:48] Speaker 1: Fact.
[33:49] Speaker 16: Again, the East is wide open. We see what Orlando
[33:52] Speaker 16: Magic doing right now. The Orlando Magic, like, hold on.
[33:55] Speaker 3: They looking at the Pacers like, shit, we had a
[33:58] Speaker 3: couple more Pacers. We got some, you know what I'm saying?
[34:01] Speaker 16: We already go defend at a high level. We got
[34:04] Speaker 16: a rising young superstar, Apollo Bencaro. We like, shit, let's
[34:08] Speaker 16: see what's happening. I mean, do we trust the Cavs?
[34:12] Speaker 1: Mm-mm. No, never. Never. Never.
[34:15] Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying.
[34:16] Speaker 11: It's wide open.
[34:17] Speaker 3: So why not run it back?
[34:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[34:20] Speaker 7: Ain't nobody never trust a goddamn Cavs, man.
[34:23] Speaker 1: Man, them motherfuckers sent out a game two of the playoffs.
[34:25] Speaker 5: I told you that shit should.
[34:28] Speaker 2: So you think that was a great trade for the
[34:30] Speaker 2: Magic Big Bird? That trade they just made for Bane,
[34:32] Speaker 2: do you think that was a great trade or do
[34:33] Speaker 2: you think they gave up too much?
[34:35] Speaker 3: I mean, four unprotected picks, that's a lot.
[34:38] Speaker 16: But I do like the move for the Magic, but
[34:41] Speaker 16: that's a lot of fucking picks for Desmond Bain.
[34:44] Speaker 3: But, I mean, shit, he did average like 21.
[34:46] Speaker 16: So you talk about bringing in the guy that's going
[34:49] Speaker 16: to probably be your third option, that's going to give
[34:51] Speaker 16: you 21, that's going to be a floor spacer. You know,
[34:55] Speaker 16: they basically saying, fuck, they going all in. That's what
[34:58] Speaker 16: they saying. They want to win right now. And let
[35:02] Speaker 16: me say this, man. Like, I've been seeing all this
[35:04] Speaker 16: shit go across social medias. Kmart, I've been seeing your
[35:07] Speaker 16: ass get a lot of pushback from the Memphis people.
[35:13] Speaker 3: But y'all were right, bro. Y'all right.
[35:15] Speaker 16: And the crazy thing is that so many people around
[35:20] Speaker 16: the media space and around the NBA, they whispering behind
[35:26] Speaker 16: closed doors about, you know, hey, you know Memphis, they
[35:31] Speaker 16: wanted to trade for Jimmy, but Jimmy didn't want to
[35:34] Speaker 16: go to Memphis, man. Jimmy said it was too dangerous. Like,
[35:37] Speaker 16: this is things that are being said. Like, this ain't
[35:40] Speaker 16: something that people are just making up. Like, this is
[35:42] Speaker 16: things that are people saying.
[35:44] Speaker 3: And you know what was crazy to me?
[35:46] Speaker 16: What I thought was, like, KD, when he quote tweeted,
[35:52] Speaker 16: he was like, man, damn, they heard that dap up
[35:54] Speaker 16: all the way, you know what I'm.
[35:55] Speaker 3: Saying, back in Memphis.
[35:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[35:58] Speaker 16: Did y'all see how excited fucking Desmond Baines was?
[36:02] Speaker 1: He said, they got windows! They got windows!
[36:07] Speaker 16: And I'm just on the outside looking in, but man,
[36:09] Speaker 16: I seen the man who was fucking glowing.
[36:12] Speaker 3: His face, like, that man was smiling from ear to ear.
[36:15] Speaker 1: Thank you for getting me out of there. Yes, sir.
[36:17] Speaker 1: That's what I got.
[36:18] Speaker 3: It's your first day out.
[36:19] Speaker 7: Let me ask you this then, okay. So for how
[36:22] Speaker 7: many years was it unsafe to like go out in
[36:30] Speaker 7: chicago man what huh go out in chicago like being
[36:35] Speaker 7: in chicago how how for how many years was the
[36:38] Speaker 7: whole reputation of the nba when you go to chicago
[36:44] Speaker 7: what was it was it yeah we cool to go
[36:46] Speaker 7: where we want to go and do what we want
[36:48] Speaker 7: to do was it ever that.
[36:49] Speaker 16: Energy man look y'all gotta realize this right And Tony
[36:54] Speaker 16: Allen is my dog.
[36:56] Speaker 3: Like, that's my dog. That's my brother, for real.
[36:59] Speaker 16: But y'all got to remember, when Tony Allen was going
[37:03] Speaker 16: through that shit in Chicago, like, that real shit in Chicago,
[37:08] Speaker 16: we had a playoff series there.
[37:10] Speaker 3: And, man, we was.
[37:12] Speaker 16: Getting escorted when we got off the plane. Man, they
[37:15] Speaker 16: had real motherfucking soldiers with AR-15s. escorting us to the hotel.
[37:22] Speaker 16: We couldn't leave our hotel to go to restaurants. Like,
[37:25] Speaker 16: so we in Chicago for damn near a week. We
[37:27] Speaker 16: couldn't go outside ourselves to practice.
[37:29] Speaker 3: We had, like, it wasn't police escorts. This shit was like.
[37:33] Speaker 1: SWAT.
[37:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, for real. And so, outside of that shit was
[37:37] Speaker 3: like that. You know what I'm saying? Because it was
[37:39] Speaker 3: some real stuff. You know, I ain't throwing T.A. under
[37:41] Speaker 3: the bus.
[37:42] Speaker 11: You know, the story is out there.
[37:45] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[37:45] Speaker 16: So, I'm just telling y'all, like, it's real in the
[37:48] Speaker 16: shot town, but.
[37:49] Speaker 3: I had my thing anyway.
[37:51] Speaker 1: But look, hey.
[37:52] Speaker 7: No, I'm saying, when I stepped out, I wasn't going
[37:56] Speaker 7: to no spots.
[38:00] Speaker 3: That I smell black and mild smoke or.
[38:02] Speaker 1: Weed smoke or any shit. Talk about it, Perk.
[38:06] Speaker 3: Nah, I wasn't going to none of those spots.
[38:08] Speaker 16: I wanted to go to the spots that you had
[38:11] Speaker 16: to damn near put on a, you know what I'm saying,
[38:13] Speaker 16: a dress, a suit coat.
[38:15] Speaker 3: Or some shit, you know what I'm saying, that's playing
[38:18] Speaker 3: music that I don't even understand.
[38:21] Speaker 1: Well, look, Perk, this is my point.
[38:22] Speaker 14: So, if it was always dangerous in Chicago and it's
[38:29] Speaker 14: It's dangerous in Memphis.
[38:31] Speaker 7: It's dangerous in Denver. More athletes than got shot in Denver,
[38:33] Speaker 7: Colorado and anywhere. So my point is like it's dangerous everywhere.
[38:38] Speaker 1: Right.
[38:39] Speaker 14: So the whole I don't want to go to Memphis
[38:41] Speaker 14: because it's too dangerous. We never heard that for Chicago.
[38:45] Speaker 14: And Chicago is more dangerous.
[38:47] Speaker 1: I keep hearing just one name.
[38:48] Speaker 14: But it's more places to live than Chicago. I'm saying
[38:51] Speaker 14: we're pushing the narrative now. That's the pushback against the
[38:55] Speaker 14: Memphis community. They're like, yo, we got people who are
[38:58] Speaker 14: invested in this deeply.
[39:00] Speaker 1: Deeply. So the narrative.
[39:02] Speaker 14: Is like if y'all saying the narrative, ain't none of
[39:04] Speaker 14: these players got shot. Ain't none of nobody died. You
[39:07] Speaker 14: know what I'm saying? And it's the grindhouse.
[39:10] Speaker 1: Grindhouse.
[39:10] Speaker 14: So when you're overseas, sometimes you go to a team
[39:12] Speaker 14: where you're in the grindhouse, you're away from everything, it's
[39:15] Speaker 14: cold everywhere, you can't go nowhere.
[39:17] Speaker 7: It's practicing back to the house. All day long, right?
[39:22] Speaker 7: So why is this no different? You're at a team
[39:24] Speaker 7: where it ain't that popular, it's cold, it's nasty. Man,
[39:29] Speaker 7: you got to make fun of it for how long
[39:31] Speaker 7: you here, bro, because it's nasty out here.
[39:33] Speaker 2: Perk, would you want to play in Memphis? And did
[39:35] Speaker 2: you feel safe when you were in Memphis?
[39:37] Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. I have no problem with Memphis.
[39:39] Speaker 16: You got to remember, before I went to declare my
[39:43] Speaker 16: name in the NBA draft and went out of high school...
[39:46] Speaker 16: I signed with the Memphis Grizzlies. Like, I was going
[39:49] Speaker 16: there with John Calipari. So I was cool with Memphis.
[39:53] Speaker 16: But I'm like, bro, I'm the type of dude that
[39:56] Speaker 16: really on the cool. You can drop me anywhere and
[39:58] Speaker 16: I'm going to adapt. Because you got to know how
[40:01] Speaker 16: to deal with, like, you know what I'm saying, your environment.
[40:04] Speaker 16: You drop me off in the hood, I'm not going
[40:06] Speaker 16: to go in somebody's hood being disrespectful. And majority of
[40:10] Speaker 16: the time when it comes down to, you know, when
[40:13] Speaker 16: you're playing in these cities that got– you know, these
[40:16] Speaker 16: YNs and they got these, you know, whatever you want
[40:19] Speaker 16: to call it, Crips, Bloods, GDs, or whatever, man, or
[40:22] Speaker 16: whatever kind of gang or hood cast they got, dog,
[40:27] Speaker 16: majority of the time, bro, them people just want you
[40:29] Speaker 16: to go in and recognize them and be home.
[40:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
[40:32] Speaker 16: Like, they don't want you to come in and be
[40:34] Speaker 16: on no Hollywood superstar shit. Man, like, if you coming
[40:38] Speaker 16: in with that, what's up, dog? Oh, man, man, that
[40:41] Speaker 16: motherfucker cool as hell.
[40:42] Speaker 1: Man.
[40:42] Speaker 3: You ain't going to.
[40:44] Speaker 5: Have no problems. I'd have been in there. Listen, bro.
[40:46] Speaker 7: Somebody sent me. Somebody has something to say about my
[40:50] Speaker 7: comments about Memphis, right? And it ain't like I'm making this.
[40:56] Speaker 7: To Perk's point, I treat every place I go like
[40:58] Speaker 7: it's out of bounds. I've been living here for a
[41:01] Speaker 7: long time. I'm not from here. This is out of
[41:03] Speaker 7: bounds still to me. I'm comfortable when I go to Dallas,
[41:06] Speaker 7: when I go to Oak Cliff. Yeah, but here, anywhere else,
[41:09] Speaker 7: out of bounds. But I've never been the one to
[41:12] Speaker 7: treat people and go places and hide. I go out
[41:15] Speaker 7: in every city I've played in, right? Meet the people,
[41:17] Speaker 7: be with the people, speak, do all those things, have
[41:20] Speaker 7: my jewelry on. Ain't never been robbed. Ain't never been
[41:23] Speaker 7: none of this shit like this, right? So in all
[41:27] Speaker 7: these NBA cities I've ever been in.
[41:28] Speaker 1: Ain't you from Chicago? Yeah, who? Jimmy?
[41:30] Speaker 5: No, he's from Humble, Texas.
[41:32] Speaker 1: Humble, Texas. No, no, no.
[41:33] Speaker 3: He's from Tumball, Texas.
[41:35] Speaker 5: Tumball, right? Tumball, Humble.
[41:37] Speaker 1: It's right next to each other, right?
[41:38] Speaker 3: What is that? Well, let me explain what Tumball is.
[41:41] Speaker 1: What is that? Talk about it. I know what Tumball is.
[41:44] Speaker 3: Tell me.
[41:45] Speaker 1: What is that?
[41:45] Speaker 3: Tumball is actually where my career is today.
[41:49] Speaker 1: Oh, you got you a ring.
[41:50] Speaker 16: Yeah, so there's some like, you know.
[41:54] Speaker 3: Like, motherfucker ain't coming out there.
[41:57] Speaker 5: And starting no drama. No, it's righteous. It's real nice
[42:01] Speaker 5: out there, motherfucker, right? It's outside of Houston. But let
[42:04] Speaker 5: me ask y'all this. Let me ask y'all this real quick.
[42:08] Speaker 16: I believe, and y'all tell me how y'all feel about it.
[42:11] Speaker 3: It's starting to build, but it's a mixture of things.
[42:14] Speaker 16: It's not just how dangerous Memphis deals or the violence
[42:18] Speaker 16: that's going on with the games or whatever and guys
[42:21] Speaker 16: shooting up motherfuckers. It's not just that but it comes
[42:24] Speaker 16: down to What's your culture looking like? Yeah, right and
[42:28] Speaker 16: let's be honest The culture of Memphis over the past
[42:33] Speaker 16: two and a half three seasons. I mean look him
[42:36] Speaker 16: work the damn bro like John hasn't been available whether
[42:40] Speaker 16: it's been because the injuries or or whether it's been
[42:43] Speaker 16: because of suspensions, because.
[42:45] Speaker 3: Of off-the-court shit, right?
[42:48] Speaker 16: You fired Taylor Jenkins with eight to ten games left
[42:52] Speaker 16: in the fucking season because your assistant coach and your
[42:56] Speaker 16: general manager in rooms behind closed doors stabbing you in
[43:01] Speaker 16: the back. And all of a sudden, like, you know
[43:04] Speaker 16: what I'm saying? And so the culture hasn't been there.
[43:06] Speaker 16: And I'm going to say this, man. I like Jared
[43:09] Speaker 16: Jackson Jr. I don't love him. I think he is
[43:13] Speaker 16: the most overhyped player in the NBA. I think he's
[43:17] Speaker 16: the most overhyped. So you ask yourself, with all this
[43:21] Speaker 16: going on, I believe, you know what I'm saying, and
[43:23] Speaker 16: y'all could maybe help me out with this stat, but
[43:26] Speaker 16: I think in the last four years or maybe last
[43:29] Speaker 16: three years, John Moran has only played one season where
[43:33] Speaker 16: he's played over 60 games.
[43:35] Speaker 3: So it's like, bro, what's really going on over there?
[43:38] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[43:39] Speaker 16: What's up with everything? Like, when y'all gonna get back
[43:42] Speaker 16: to normal? And I'm gonna tell you where they fucked
[43:44] Speaker 16: up at. Y'all tell me how y'all feel about all
[43:47] Speaker 16: of this.
[43:48] Speaker 1: I love this energy, bro.
[43:50] Speaker 11: Bro.
[43:52] Speaker 1: I love it, man. I love it. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
[43:55] Speaker 16: You know what they traded Dylan Brooks? They took that
[43:58] Speaker 16: man for granted.
[43:59] Speaker 1: Yes.
[44:00] Speaker 16: Man, Dylan Brooks gave them people a certain type of
[44:02] Speaker 16: edge and a certain type of swag. And all of
[44:05] Speaker 16: a sudden, they took that and they kept trying to
[44:07] Speaker 16: replace it.
[44:07] Speaker 3: So they went out and they tried to go get him.
[44:09] Speaker 1: Marked as smart.
[44:10] Speaker 16: And Marcus Smalls was like, ah, no, I ain't really
[44:13] Speaker 16: with this. It's like, I just came from the Celtics.
[44:15] Speaker 16: We just went to the finals. I know what this
[44:17] Speaker 16: shit's supposed to look like.
[44:19] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[44:20] Speaker 16: But they've never been able to really replace that heart
[44:23] Speaker 16: and soul of the team, which was in Dylan Brooks.
[44:25] Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks took that energy down in Houston.
[44:28] Speaker 16: And then all of a sudden, with the matching of
[44:30] Speaker 16: E-Maker Duncan, it changed the whole fucking coach.
[44:34] Speaker 6: That's a fact.
[44:35] Speaker 1: That's a fact.
[44:36] Speaker 2: You just mentioned the Celtics. You just mentioned the Celtics,
[44:39] Speaker 2: your former team. Let's talk about the Celtics. We got
[44:41] Speaker 2: Jason Tatum. He recovering from a torn Achilles. All the
[44:45] Speaker 2: signs point to them making changes to the roster this summer.
[44:48] Speaker 2: What changes do you think the Celtics need to make?
[44:51] Speaker 16: Well, one, man, can somebody find out and do some
[44:54] Speaker 16: research and tell us what the fuck going on with
[44:57] Speaker 16: Christopher Zink?
[44:59] Speaker 1: Right now, bro, I want to know.
[45:02] Speaker 3: I want to know. I want to know what is
[45:04] Speaker 3: this mysterious thing?
[45:05] Speaker 1: We want to know. We want to know, bro.
[45:10] Speaker 3: Like, why is this mysterious?
[45:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. He be going in and out of
[45:16] Speaker 1: that shit, too. And he really be sick, too. What
[45:18] Speaker 1: is it, though? Slick with it. He's just going to
[45:20] Speaker 1: want to play, man.
[45:22] Speaker 16: Man, you can't tell me we got the fucking best
[45:24] Speaker 16: doctors in the world in a multi-billion dollar company with
[45:29] Speaker 16: the NBA. And you mean to tell me y'all can't
[45:32] Speaker 16: tell me what the hell is going on?
[45:33] Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell is going on with
[45:35] Speaker 3: this dude. That's the first thing.
[45:36] Speaker 1: Right?
[45:37] Speaker 16: The second thing is... You know, you might have to
[45:41] Speaker 16: move on from Drew Holiday, which is not a bad thing.
[45:44] Speaker 16: I knew they was going to have to break up
[45:45] Speaker 16: this team sooner or later. They saw in five was
[45:48] Speaker 16: them averaging a billion dollars, four billion dollars in salary.
[45:52] Speaker 6: Yeah, they in the second apron for sure.
[45:54] Speaker 7: So my thing is with Kristoff Porzingis, for one, it
[45:58] Speaker 7: ain't none of y'all motherfucking business what my health issues are,
[46:00] Speaker 7: for one.
[46:01] Speaker 5: If it ain't motherfucking toe, foot.
[46:05] Speaker 7: Ankle, knee, calf, If it ain't fucking orthopedic, it ain't
[46:10] Speaker 7: none of y'all fucking business.
[46:11] Speaker 1: It's tampon related. That's the problem with society.
[46:16] Speaker 7: There's still such a thing as personal space. There's such
[46:20] Speaker 7: a thing as personal space. It's either it's a pad
[46:24] Speaker 7: or a string. It's a pad or a string. So
[46:26] Speaker 7: it ain't contagious for one. They still got him around
[46:27] Speaker 7: the team. If he was contagious or he could give
[46:29] Speaker 7: to somebody, they wouldn't have him around for one. okay
[46:31] Speaker 7: that i do believe okay but there's a such thing
[46:34] Speaker 7: as having something that's private still you threw up again.
[46:38] Speaker 1: Under listen if you got the shit you just.
[46:40] Speaker 7: Got i get that but still there's still a such
[46:44] Speaker 7: thing as like my privacy and that they ain't saying
[46:47] Speaker 7: nothing i threw up after keisha too i know that.
[46:52] Speaker 1: Kind of throw up, nigga. Of course I want to
[46:53] Speaker 1: know why the nigga ain't playing, but if they say
[46:54] Speaker 1: he got him, then he got him. You got that.
[46:57] Speaker 1: You got that kind of shit. Like, if you had
[46:59] Speaker 1: something going on that was personal to you, Perk, right?
[47:01] Speaker 1: I get it.
[47:03] Speaker 5: We all want to know, but there should be certain
[47:05] Speaker 5: things that you can keep personal.
[47:07] Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. Right? So that's what this is,
[47:09] Speaker 1: I hope, right? I hope it ain't nothing simple. Here's
[47:12] Speaker 1: my thing.
[47:13] Speaker 3: If I had something personal... Mm-hmm. Motherfucker, y'all not going
[47:17] Speaker 3: to see me. I'm not about to be around the team.
[47:21] Speaker 16: If it's something that's that serious and it's personal where
[47:25] Speaker 16: it can't be released, I'm not going to be on
[47:27] Speaker 16: the bench.
[47:27] Speaker 3: I'm not going to be around the team.
[47:29] Speaker 1: Y'all not going to see me.
[47:31] Speaker 6: I dig it.
[47:32] Speaker 1: It's too personal. I can't even be here. I dig it.
[47:36] Speaker 1: I don't want to look down the bench. This is
[47:39] Speaker 1: not no different than the Cleveland shit.
[47:42] Speaker 3: All I'm asking is this.
[47:44] Speaker 16: Just like they're telling us, the reports are saying, we
[47:48] Speaker 16: don't know what it is.
[47:50] Speaker 1: All I know.
[47:52] Speaker 9: Is the last time we asked him, the NBA stopped.
[47:59] Speaker 9: You remember, we're the ones that shut the world down.
[48:05] Speaker 9: Because of the whole, you know, it started with Rudy
[48:08] Speaker 9: Gobert and then all of a sudden.
[48:11] Speaker 1: The world got.
[48:11] Speaker 16: But you're telling me that he's allowed to play basketball.
[48:15] Speaker 16: This guy's feeling fatigued on the floor. He's like, he
[48:19] Speaker 16: doesn't have energy and all this. Y'all saying, y'all don't
[48:22] Speaker 16: know what it is. So what you saying is, y'all
[48:25] Speaker 16: don't know what it is. So y'all don't know if
[48:27] Speaker 16: it's contagious. If you don't know what it is, you
[48:30] Speaker 16: don't know if it's contagious or not.
[48:32] Speaker 5: I think they know. They just think they don't want
[48:34] Speaker 5: to fucking say it.
[48:35] Speaker 3: That's all it is. I got you. Trust me.
[48:38] Speaker 7: If a motherfucker got something, they should say something.
[48:42] Speaker 5: I'm all with it.
[48:43] Speaker 1: Man, look. I'm the one.
[48:44] Speaker 5: Everybody's business these days, man. Mind your fucking business.
[48:48] Speaker 1: Imagine the diagnosis is this.
[48:49] Speaker 3: What's your grandmama say?
[48:50] Speaker 1: I don't.
[48:57] Speaker 7: Feel like it. That's the diagnosis. I don't feel like
[49:01] Speaker 7: it today. He come in, so what we gonna tell
[49:04] Speaker 7: the media?
[49:05] Speaker 1: Just, you know, tell them what we tell them every
[49:07] Speaker 1: time I don't feel like it.
[49:08] Speaker 5: So I'm the one that was joking somebody had a
[49:10] Speaker 5: torn hymen, so I get it.
[49:12] Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't feel like it. Hey, somebody
[49:16] Speaker 1: go tell them I just don't feel like it. My
[49:18] Speaker 1: mental health. Cool. but my mental health.
[49:21] Speaker 5: Go with that one.
[49:23] Speaker 1: I just threw up.
[49:24] Speaker 14: Tell the people that. I just threw up, okay?
[49:27] Speaker 1: My mental is fucked up right now.
[49:29] Speaker 10: I got some shit nobody know what it is.
[49:31] Speaker 1: I can't even see. I'm seeing double. How do you
[49:34] Speaker 1: do that?
[49:34] Speaker 10: I got some shit nobody know what it is.
[49:36] Speaker 1: I ain't scared to play.
[49:37] Speaker 6: What'd you say, Big Phelps?
[49:39] Speaker 16: I do think this opportunity for Jalen Brown... Like, I
[49:43] Speaker 16: get it. He won conference MVP, finals MVP. But I
[49:46] Speaker 16: think this is a season for him to, like, show, like,
[49:50] Speaker 16: why we really should be mentioning his name in the
[49:54] Speaker 16: likes of Anthony Edwards, Luka Doncic, Jason Tatum. Like, you
[49:59] Speaker 16: know what I'm saying? Like, this is a moment from him. Like, hey, bro, like,
[50:02] Speaker 16: this is your team.
[50:03] Speaker 3: We can just.
[50:05] Speaker 2: Who else can they get rid of? Because obviously they're
[50:08] Speaker 2: above the second apron. They're going to have to make
[50:09] Speaker 2: significant changes to the roster. Who are you keeping and
[50:12] Speaker 2: who are you letting go?
[50:13] Speaker 3: I'm telling you this.
[50:16] Speaker 16: Derrick White, Tatum, obviously, and Jalen Brown, I'm not like
[50:21] Speaker 16: those guys you can't touch. And also really Peyton Pritchard
[50:25] Speaker 16: because Peyton Pritchard's contract.
[50:27] Speaker 3: Is a fucking steal.
[50:29] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[50:30] Speaker 3: He's like four years, 32 million, I believe, off the
[50:33] Speaker 3: bench or some shit like that. That's a steal.
[50:36] Speaker 1: Derek White can go. Prazingas can go. Drew can go.
[50:42] Speaker 5: Are you giving up Derrick White?
[50:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, all of them can go. Nah, nah. I'm not
[50:45] Speaker 1: giving up Derrick White. I can't give up. I'm not
[50:47] Speaker 1: giving up Derrick White. What are you talking about, man?
[50:50] Speaker 1: What do you mean you can't get with him? No, no, no.
[50:52] Speaker 1: You can, but.
[50:53] Speaker 5: What are you talking about?
[50:54] Speaker 1: I just think he's the... He affects winning. Yeah, he's
[50:58] Speaker 1: the winner.
[50:58] Speaker 5: He affects winning.
[50:59] Speaker 1: He affects winning. He feels hard.
[51:01] Speaker 7: Because you don't need Drew Holiday now. He makes Drew expendable.
[51:05] Speaker 14: He fits what they're doing because they had Jason Tatum.
[51:08] Speaker 14: The whole full pitcher fits him. He thrives with the
[51:12] Speaker 14: full pitcher. Without the full pitcher, he's a nigga that's
[51:16] Speaker 14: in the way. Why are you shooting that shot, bro?
[51:18] Speaker 1: What is this? This is not a swing-swing. I'm telling you.
[51:23] Speaker 1: We know who. So you're telling me you're picking Derrick White?
[51:26] Speaker 5: When we walk in the gym?
[51:28] Speaker 1: When we walk in the gym? That's what they did
[51:30] Speaker 1: in the Olympics.
[51:31] Speaker 7: That's what they did in the Olympics. That's what they did.
[51:35] Speaker 7: That's what they did in the Olympics. That's what they
[51:49] Speaker 7: did in the Olympics.
[51:50] Speaker 1: They picked Derrick White over Jalen Brown. Would you do that?
[51:53] Speaker 1: Hold on.
[51:53] Speaker 14: Did you say Jalen Brown walked in the gym together? No,
[51:56] Speaker 14: I didn't say that. No, don't do that, man.
[51:58] Speaker 1: Don't do what? I hear what you're saying. Why can't
[52:00] Speaker 1: we get ahead? I'm trying to prove a point. Right?
[52:18] Speaker 7: I'm trying to prove a point. I mean, I get it, man.
[52:21] Speaker 7: Sometimes it get muddled. Sometimes it get muddled.
[52:24] Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, though.
[52:27] Speaker 7: Like, okay, these motherfuckers come in. I don't even forgot
[52:29] Speaker 7: this point. You said let go of D.
[52:31] Speaker 1: White. Derek White is what you said. You said you
[52:34] Speaker 1: would let go of Derek White. Yeah, because they picked
[52:36] Speaker 1: Derek White over Jalen Brown. So if I got Jalen
[52:39] Speaker 1: Brown and Jason Tatum, and I got Peyton Pritchard, I'm
[52:42] Speaker 1: rolling with Peyton.
[52:47] Speaker 14: There's so many players that do what Derrick White does
[52:50] Speaker 14: and more.
[52:51] Speaker 3: No, it ain't.
[52:52] Speaker 1: No, it ain't. Yes, there is. No, it ain't. So, yes,
[52:54] Speaker 1: there is. Yes, there is. Derrick White is nice. You
[52:57] Speaker 1: can move Derrick White to the six-man role.
[52:59] Speaker 14: The Pacers and the OKC Thunder got a bunch of
[53:01] Speaker 14: Derrick Whites on their team.
[53:03] Speaker 1: No, no, no. The Pacers in Indiana and the Pacers
[53:06] Speaker 1: in Indiana. I mean, Indiana Pacers and OKC got a
[53:09] Speaker 1: bunch of Derrick Whites on their team.
[53:11] Speaker 5: No, no, no.
[53:11] Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, they don't. No.
[53:14] Speaker 1: It's only one Derek White right now in this postseason.
[53:18] Speaker 16: It's only one Derek White, a guy that you can't
[53:21] Speaker 16: compare to Derek White, and that's fucking Alex Caruso. Because
[53:25] Speaker 16: Alex Caruso, that elevated his game so much in this postseason.
[53:29] Speaker 16: What you mean? I mean, look, in the regular season,
[53:32] Speaker 16: he's stocking up offensively. But what he's been doing in
[53:35] Speaker 16: this postseason?
[53:36] Speaker 1: Are you crazy? I'm an Alex Caruso fan now. I'm
[53:39] Speaker 1: all for my corner. Matt Duren, Neesmith. No, come on, man. No,
[53:44] Speaker 1: they're not Derek White. They're not Derek White. They're not what?
[53:47] Speaker 1: They're not Derek White.
[53:48] Speaker 3: What do you mean they're not? What do you mean
[53:50] Speaker 3: they're not?
[53:51] Speaker 5: Bro, we watched Alex Caruso. Bro, we watched Alex Caruso.
[53:54] Speaker 3: Think about this.
[53:55] Speaker 1: Wiggins, Joe, and Wallace? Wiggins, Joe, and Wallace? Yes.
[53:58] Speaker 3: But hold on. Think about this for a second.
[54:00] Speaker 1: Yes.
[54:01] Speaker 3: We watched fucking Alex Caruso.
[54:03] Speaker 1: I'll give you that.
[54:03] Speaker 3: Locked down Jaron Jackson Jr. in the first round.
[54:07] Speaker 16: We watched Alex Caruso in the fucking crucial game seven.
[54:11] Speaker 16: When we didn't know who the hell was going to
[54:13] Speaker 16: check Jokic. We was wondering was it going to be
[54:15] Speaker 16: Isaiah Hardenstein, Jalen Williams off the bench.
[54:18] Speaker 3: Coach Dagnall said, fuck that. I got a secret weapon
[54:20] Speaker 3: for you. We got Alex Caruso on Jokic.
[54:23] Speaker 1: What?
[54:23] Speaker 16: And then all of a sudden you get to the
[54:25] Speaker 16: next round. I'm watching that man come in off the
[54:28] Speaker 16: bench on the road. He giving you 20.
[54:31] Speaker 1: A night.
[54:31] Speaker 3: He just gave you 20 in two of these games.
[54:34] Speaker 5: I'm rolling.
[54:36] Speaker 6: I'm keeping Derrick White.
[54:37] Speaker 11: I agree with you.
[54:37] Speaker 1: I'm keeping Derrick White. Cam Whitmore or Derrick White. Cam
[54:41] Speaker 1: Whitmore or Derrick White.
[54:42] Speaker 10: You going to take Derrick White over Cam Whitmore?
[54:50] Speaker 5: From Houston, right?
[54:52] Speaker 1: Today? Come on, man. Derek White is, man, I'm rolling
[54:54] Speaker 1: with Derek White. He's like that. Who's like that? For
[54:56] Speaker 1: his role, he's like that. I mean, that's what I'm saying.
[54:58] Speaker 5: I haven't seen enough of Cam Whitmore to say it.
[55:00] Speaker 5: But have I seen him play?
[55:02] Speaker 1: Yes. But I haven't seen him on the big stage.
[55:04] Speaker 5: I've seen enough of Derek White to say that.
[55:07] Speaker 1: Derek White came in in San Antonio. What was his role?
[55:09] Speaker 1: What was his role in San Antonio? What was his
[55:12] Speaker 1: role in San Antonio?
[55:14] Speaker 3: He was young.
[55:15] Speaker 1: I'm asking a question. What was his role?
[55:17] Speaker 5: Don't know. They suck.
[55:18] Speaker 1: He's rolling the same roll he has right now. Same roll.
[55:22] Speaker 1: Shoot three. Space the four. Caleb Martin. Caleb Martin is
[55:27] Speaker 1: Derek White. He perfected that, bro. What do you mean?
[55:32] Speaker 7: If you give Caleb Martin the opportunity to hit shots
[55:35] Speaker 7: like he was when he was in Miami, he looked
[55:37] Speaker 7: like a whole different player. And if they win the championship,
[55:39] Speaker 7: you're like, damn, this dude is actually pretty fucking good.
[55:42] Speaker 1: He don't shoot. He don't shoot. Derek White is nice.
[55:45] Speaker 1: He shoot a wide open shot. He shoot a wide
[55:47] Speaker 1: open shot. He might be the best shot blocker for
[55:49] Speaker 1: us at the goal.
[55:50] Speaker 3: Caleb Martin?
[55:58] Speaker 10: He's a good corner, but he's not at that elite level.
[56:02] Speaker 7: So the thing about Derek White is he's a starter
[56:04] Speaker 7: for them, but you can also put him in a
[56:06] Speaker 7: six-man role.
[56:07] Speaker 5: He can come off the bench and be like that still.
[56:11] Speaker 14: What is he going to give me offensively outside of
[56:14] Speaker 14: spacing the floor and shooting the three?
[56:17] Speaker 1: Come on, man.
[56:19] Speaker 11: Don't he pass the ball?
[56:20] Speaker 7: You're going to get your defense. I said offense, Perk.
[56:23] Speaker 7: I said offense. Perk, I said offense. I said offense.
[56:28] Speaker 1: I said outside of sitting in space. He can drive
[56:31] Speaker 1: and kick. Drive and kick. Offensive rebound. Drive and kick. Cut, slash,
[56:34] Speaker 1: win the court. Offensive rebound. Cut, back doors. He do everything.
[56:37] Speaker 6: Yo, Derrick White is a very good basketball player.
[56:43] Speaker 7: But the people that you are naming, but the people
[56:46] Speaker 7: that Rashard is naming, with opportunity.
[56:50] Speaker 5: That Derrick White gets, these people can do the exact
[56:53] Speaker 5: same thing.
[56:53] Speaker 1: As what he does. Man, that's why he should be moving.
[56:56] Speaker 7: He got to be moving with the opportunities.
[56:58] Speaker 1: Well, I'm moving when he's doing it already, though. Because
[57:01] Speaker 1: you need more. You need more. So, who are you keeping?
[57:04] Speaker 6: If you get rid of him, who are you keeping?
[57:06] Speaker 14: The reason why Derek White is doing what he's doing
[57:08] Speaker 14: because you got Jason Taylor and Jalen Brown and they're
[57:11] Speaker 14: giving him the opportunity to have wild.
[57:16] Speaker 1: You don't have Jason Tatum no more.
[57:17] Speaker 14: So if you get rid of him, you're going to
[57:20] Speaker 14: see the real him.
[57:21] Speaker 7: You're going to see the real him. We need more
[57:23] Speaker 7: than this just catch and shoot shit. Derek, you got
[57:25] Speaker 7: to give us some shit. So you keep drooling, get
[57:27] Speaker 7: rid of Derek.
[57:28] Speaker 14: If Derek got more value, I'm getting rid of Derek
[57:31] Speaker 14: because we can get more back for him.
[57:33] Speaker 1: Okay. Because y'all thinking he's invaluable.
[57:35] Speaker 14: I'm like, well, why wouldn't we.
[57:39] Speaker 1: Move him over? But we haven't seen Derek White, though,
[57:43] Speaker 1: without Tatum. But Derek is not the point guard that
[57:45] Speaker 1: Drew Holiday is.
[57:46] Speaker 5: Drew Holiday can still run the team.
[57:50] Speaker 1: I think he's going to be fine, even without Tatum there.
[57:52] Speaker 5: He did score four to this year.
[57:53] Speaker 1: I'm 40, man. Come on, man. What is that? Come on.
[57:55] Speaker 1: He's scoring 40. So what?
[57:56] Speaker 11: What you mean?
[57:56] Speaker 6: 40?
[57:56] Speaker 1: 40 with two other guys? 82 games.
[57:57] Speaker 5: It's 82 games, bro.
[57:58] Speaker 1: It's 82 games, though. It's 82 games. Come on, y'all.
[58:00] Speaker 1: Come on. Come on, man. 40 with them two dogs
[58:01] Speaker 1: out there? Come on, man. Come on, man. I think
[58:03] Speaker 1: it's going to go up. It's going to go up.
[58:18] Speaker 1: I think it's borderline.
[58:23] Speaker 16: Disrespectful to even call Derek White a role player, to
[58:30] Speaker 16: be honest. This dude is really knocking at the.
[58:33] Speaker 3: Door every single year of getting into the All-Star game.
[58:37] Speaker 6: The last couple years, that's true.
[58:39] Speaker 5: Well, that's because of team success, too, though. Yeah, yeah.
[58:42] Speaker 1: Come on, man.
[58:42] Speaker 6: We've seen Atlanta Hawks do that.
[58:44] Speaker 1: We've seen that before.
[58:46] Speaker 7: We've seen Atlanta Hawks do that, too, now.
[58:51] Speaker 1: We did. We saw that, big fella. Hey, moving on,
[58:55] Speaker 1: moving on. No, we got to move on.
[58:56] Speaker 2: You've been a supporter of the Knicks in recent years.
[58:59] Speaker 2: But they just fired Coach Thibodeau after their best season
[59:02] Speaker 2: in 25 years. They requested permission to speak to several
[59:06] Speaker 2: current coaches around the league and have been denied.
[59:09] Speaker 6: Do you think that was the right move for them
[59:11] Speaker 6: to fire Thibs?
[59:12] Speaker 3: Fuck no.
[59:14] Speaker 16: Not without having a plan in place. And then if
[59:18] Speaker 16: you're going to fire Thibs, Then, damn it, you got
[59:21] Speaker 16: to go Beyonce yourself. You got to go upgrade to something.
[59:24] Speaker 16: You can't fire Tibbs and go backwards. I don't want
[59:27] Speaker 16: to hear about fire Tibbs and all of a sudden
[59:29] Speaker 16: you're talking about interviewing Taylor Jenkins and Mike Brown.
[59:32] Speaker 3: You're going backwards.
[59:34] Speaker 1: Right?
[59:34] Speaker 16: Like, you got to have a motherfucker in there who's
[59:37] Speaker 16: going to be able to handle the New York media.
[59:40] Speaker 3: To be honest.
[59:41] Speaker 16: I think, look, they don't want no action with Michael
[59:44] Speaker 16: Malone for whatever the past or whatever didn't happen with
[59:48] Speaker 16: the James Dolan.
[59:49] Speaker 3: I don't even know.
[59:50] Speaker 16: But the only coach to me that's right for that
[59:52] Speaker 16: job right now is Jeff Van Gundy. Bring Jeff Van
[59:58] Speaker 16: Gundy back to that motherfucker. He just showed you what
[1:00:00] Speaker 16: he did.
[1:00:00] Speaker 6: Somebody said that.
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: Huh?
[1:00:02] Speaker 6: Somebody on the couch said that.
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, bring back Jeff Van Gundy. There's nothing else out there.
[1:00:07] Speaker 16: Because right now, all you're doing is going knocking on
[1:00:09] Speaker 16: other people's houses, asking them, can you take their wife
[1:00:12] Speaker 16: out on a date? A motherfucker will tell you no
[1:00:14] Speaker 16: every single time.
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to.
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: Go out there in Dallas and see what's up with J.
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: Kid.
[1:00:19] Speaker 3: I'm going to go out there in Dallas and see
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: what's up with J.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: Kid.
[1:00:22] Speaker 5: Man, why would J.
[1:00:24] Speaker 16: Kid want to go there? Oh, I'm going to go
[1:00:25] Speaker 16: see what's up with Emae Udoka. Man, them people just
[1:00:28] Speaker 16: gave Emae Udoka a bag. So you five-ton tipper, though.
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: One, I think.
[1:00:34] Speaker 16: Once you end a run like they had going to
[1:00:38] Speaker 16: the Eastern Conference Finals and they felt like they should
[1:00:41] Speaker 16: have beat the Pacers, emotions come into play. They should
[1:00:45] Speaker 16: have took at least about a week before they even
[1:00:47] Speaker 16: started having interviews with people, bro. You know what I'm saying?
[1:00:51] Speaker 16: You don't just have interviews with the players right then.
[1:00:54] Speaker 16: Emotions are high, shit like that. But I said this.
[1:00:57] Speaker 16: I said this. When Tom Thibodeau benched Carl Anthony Towns
[1:01:01] Speaker 16: in game two, I said if they lose this series,
[1:01:04] Speaker 16: he going to get fired because of that situation right there.
[1:01:08] Speaker 16: It's about those fucking relationships. Worldwide West. Leon Rose, Paul
[1:01:13] Speaker 16: Anthony Thomas go all the way back to the Kentucky
[1:01:15] Speaker 16: Davies when he was at Kentucky.
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: Facts.
[1:01:18] Speaker 3: They was right there in the thick of things.
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: Facts.
[1:01:20] Speaker 3: That's like they awkward.
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: Facts.
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[1:01:23] Speaker 16: They ain't going to throw Cat under the bus, but
[1:01:25] Speaker 16: he really had a problem with Tills.
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: I know Jalen Brunson did.
[1:01:30] Speaker 16: This is the second time Paul Anthony Thompson got Tills fired.
[1:01:34] Speaker 6: You know what?
[1:01:35] Speaker 11: Oh, shit.
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: I didn't even put that together.
[1:01:37] Speaker 6: You're right, because he was in Minnesota.
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, man, this is the second time.
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: So do you think that having Jalen Brunson as the
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: key centerpiece to your team, can they be a true
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: championship contender? Having a guard, a small guard, as their
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: number one option?
[1:01:53] Speaker 16: Man, look, I just think, to be honest, they fucked
[1:02:00] Speaker 16: me up the other day when they said they have
[1:02:02] Speaker 16: no interest in getting Kevin Durant.
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: And I was like, what? What you, like, who are you?
[1:02:09] Speaker 3: And what have y'all done as.
[1:02:10] Speaker 16: A franchise in the last 52, like y'all ain't won
[1:02:14] Speaker 16: a championship in 52 years. Who are you to say
[1:02:17] Speaker 16: that y'all don't have interest in one of the greatest
[1:02:20] Speaker 16: scores to ever touch the damn basketball motherfucker who's still
[1:02:23] Speaker 16: averaging 27, who's still averaging about 27 points Shoot 50, 40,
[1:02:28] Speaker 16: 90 to say y'all don't have him.
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: Hey, get out your nose, little man. Hey, little man,
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: get out your nose back there. He's back there. Hope
[1:02:35] Speaker 1: he get it. Man.
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: You live, boy.
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: Man. Ask him did he get it. Ask him did
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: he get it. Did you get it? Did you get it?
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: Don't eat it in the bathroom.
[1:02:45] Speaker 3: Don't you eat that, motherfucker.
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: That's nasty.
[1:02:57] Speaker 7: If we was in the car at the light, I
[1:02:58] Speaker 7: would have honked at it. Talk about what you're going
[1:03:01] Speaker 7: to do with that. You're going to have to eat it, boy.
[1:03:03] Speaker 7: You got it.
[1:03:06] Speaker 6: I was like, damn, he's in there.
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: He's in there, ain't he? I wasn't going to play
[1:03:10] Speaker 1: with Rashad, buddy. Digging for gold. He's young, man. Right
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: over his shoulder. Right over his shoulder. My kids do
[1:03:18] Speaker 1: that all the time.
[1:03:19] Speaker 7: My kids do that all the time.
[1:03:26] Speaker 6: Hey, y'all, what y'all think? Can they be real championships
[1:03:29] Speaker 6: contenders having a small guard as their number one option?
[1:03:31] Speaker 5: I don't think so.
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: You don't think so?
[1:03:33] Speaker 7: He's a very, very, very, very good NBA player. He's
[1:03:36] Speaker 7: a solid number one all-NBA player, but I don't think
[1:03:39] Speaker 7: you could, I just, I don't think so. Like, he's
[1:03:43] Speaker 7: just too ball-dominant.
[1:03:45] Speaker 11: Not enough ball movement.
[1:03:46] Speaker 7: Not enough ball movement. With a different offense, how does
[1:03:49] Speaker 7: Jalen Brunson look in it is what I want to know.
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: What do I always say? Structure.
[1:03:54] Speaker 11: Yeah.
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: System. Yeah. We don't know what Jalen Brunson looks like
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: in a system. where he has to. No, we don't. No,
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: we don't.
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: I mean, hold on.
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: I do. He went to Dallas.
[1:04:06] Speaker 3: He took Dallas to the West. I ain't talking about that.
[1:04:09] Speaker 5: I'm talking about before that.
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: I ain't talking about that either.
[1:04:13] Speaker 5: I ain't talking about that either.
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: I'm talking about in the NBA with the NBA freedom.
[1:04:17] Speaker 7: He hasn't played in a NBA system.
[1:04:21] Speaker 14: So, this is what I'm saying. When he's in New York,
[1:04:25] Speaker 14: he has freedom in New York. The freedom to do
[1:04:27] Speaker 14: what he wants. If you get a coach that can
[1:04:30] Speaker 14: implement a system in New York, we'll see a point
[1:04:33] Speaker 14: guard out of Jalen Brunson. He knows how to do that.
[1:04:37] Speaker 14: But if he gets a coach that will say, Jalen,
[1:04:40] Speaker 14: keep doing what you've been doing, that's going to it's
[1:04:44] Speaker 14: going to.
[1:04:44] Speaker 7: Keep him looking like the other guys. I dig it.
[1:04:47] Speaker 7: He ain't that guy. He's doing what he's supposed to do.
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: I dig it. But if you a coach and you say, look, Jalen,
[1:04:52] Speaker 1: I get it.
[1:04:53] Speaker 11: Get off that ball.
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: No, I didn't even get off of it. Let's make plays.
[1:04:56] Speaker 5: I dig it.
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: He got to get off the ball.
[1:04:58] Speaker 6: He got to get off the ball.
[1:04:59] Speaker 1: But look, four dribbles.
[1:05:02] Speaker 7: Four dribbles, I'm trying to make something happen in four dribbles.
[1:05:04] Speaker 7: That's enough to get out. Did I get off of it?
[1:05:06] Speaker 7: He's holding it for nine. He's holding it for nine-ten.
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: Give me four. Yeah, get it off in three. Yeah,
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: get it off. And this is where he can win.
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Put him in the system.
[1:05:16] Speaker 5: So you need a coach. Coach has a system.
[1:05:22] Speaker 1: I don't know if Jeff Van.
[1:05:24] Speaker 14: Gundy's system would fit him particularly than a Mark Jackson
[1:05:28] Speaker 14: type system.
[1:05:29] Speaker 5: I'm going with Jeff Van Gundy, man. The offense is
[1:05:31] Speaker 5: not the problem, bro.
[1:05:34] Speaker 16: It's that him and Carl Anthony Towns were getting their
[1:05:38] Speaker 16: ass picked on.
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: That's the problem. You know what I'm saying? Here's the thing.
[1:05:45] Speaker 3: A guy like Jalen Brunson.
[1:05:46] Speaker 16: I still believe he could go drop about 10 pounds
[1:05:50] Speaker 16: and still have his strength, right? You could never stop
[1:05:53] Speaker 16: getting better for us putting in the full offseason or
[1:05:57] Speaker 16: working on your quickness and your foot speed, just like
[1:06:00] Speaker 16: Carl Anthony Towns needs to. Because we saw a guy
[1:06:03] Speaker 16: like Steph Curry We saw Steph Curry grow in that
[1:06:06] Speaker 16: four championship.
[1:06:08] Speaker 3: Why did he grow?
[1:06:09] Speaker 16: Not only did he average 31 in that series, think
[1:06:12] Speaker 16: about it. The Celtics were trying to pick on him.
[1:06:16] Speaker 16: We saw in that series, dog, Al Horford had Steph
[1:06:19] Speaker 16: Curry on the fucking block and could not crab dribble
[1:06:22] Speaker 16: him and get to his job book. Steph was like, nah,
[1:06:26] Speaker 16: y'all got me fucked up.
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: I didn't learn. I learned from the Cavs the reason.
[1:06:29] Speaker 16: When Braun was picking me in the high pick and roll,
[1:06:32] Speaker 16: calling me up to search me out.
[1:06:33] Speaker 3: That shit ain't happening no more.
[1:06:35] Speaker 16: Sooner or later, that's the accountability part on Jalen Brunson's
[1:06:39] Speaker 16: side and Carl Anthony Towns' side.
[1:06:43] Speaker 5: Absolutely facts. I agree.
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: I'm rolling.
[1:06:47] Speaker 11: Get your shit off.
[1:06:48] Speaker 5: They got to get the.
[1:06:48] Speaker 7: Coach that's going to hold them dudes accountable.
[1:06:51] Speaker 17: That's going to make them dudes do it. They need
[1:06:53] Speaker 17: a coach, though. They need a coach. They need a third.
[1:06:57] Speaker 17: Being held accountable is the best coaching. Who's that third
[1:07:00] Speaker 17: guy for them, though? They don't need it. Think about
[1:07:03] Speaker 17: the offense, how they look. They look all season. They
[1:07:06] Speaker 17: was 3-4 all season, right? The way they played, they
[1:07:10] Speaker 17: was 3-4.
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: And they played chaotic basketball. They did. Pick, pop, roll.
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: Josh Hart, go get extra. Josh Hart getting rebounded.
[1:07:18] Speaker 14: We playing off of random YMCA ball.
[1:07:22] Speaker 7: Like, we ain't really. We don't got shit. Think about
[1:07:26] Speaker 7: us as pros. When we go play hoop, we want
[1:07:27] Speaker 7: some good bump. We know, like, all right, let's go
[1:07:30] Speaker 7: into some actions. We're going to run some actions. We
[1:07:33] Speaker 7: know we're going to get a. I know I'm going
[1:07:34] Speaker 7: to get a shot right here. Perc, go down here
[1:07:36] Speaker 7: and scream for this nigga and seal this nigga on the.
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: I got you. We're going to throw it in.
[1:07:40] Speaker 3: No, I don't need all that. Just the scream is good.
[1:07:45] Speaker 16: So I think about this man Anthony Townsend Jalen Brunson
[1:07:54] Speaker 16: was the best pick and roll duo in the regular
[1:07:57] Speaker 16: season They forgot about that shit in the postseason. How
[1:08:01] Speaker 16: many times did we see them run the two-man game?
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: Like, think about this.
[1:08:05] Speaker 6: They was too tired to run that. They was tired.
[1:08:08] Speaker 16: At some point in the fourth quarter, your two guys
[1:08:13] Speaker 16: are going to take you home in some type of
[1:08:15] Speaker 16: two-man game action. Like, I saw this shit firsthand with
[1:08:19] Speaker 16: Braun and Kyrie. I saw it with KD and Russ.
[1:08:23] Speaker 16: I saw it with Paul and KG. When in the
[1:08:26] Speaker 16: fourth quarter, she got tight. All of a sudden, those
[1:08:29] Speaker 16: two had, all those guys had two-man action. We're seeing
[1:08:32] Speaker 16: it right now with SGA and J-Dub.
[1:08:35] Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
[1:08:36] Speaker 3: Those two running high picking roles and figuring that shit out.
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: For sure.
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of the finals, after J-Dub just dropped 40
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: last game, his name has been thrown around in potential
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: MVP finals discussion.
[1:08:50] Speaker 6: You think he can actually win the finals MVP over SGA?
[1:08:52] Speaker 16: Man, unanimous MVP, finals MVP is SGA.
[1:08:57] Speaker 3: Let's stop playing.
[1:08:58] Speaker 6: Let's stop playing.
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: Let's stop playing.
[1:09:00] Speaker 16: And look, I ain't taking shit away from J-Dub. That
[1:09:03] Speaker 16: 40 piece was nice. But man, this motherfucker, with him
[1:09:06] Speaker 16: dropping 40, that motherfucker SGA still had what?
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: 31 and 10.
[1:09:11] Speaker 6: 30 and 10.
[1:09:12] Speaker 3: No, 10.
[1:09:13] Speaker 16: Five steals, I believe, and four fucking blocks.
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
[1:09:17] Speaker 12: Man.
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: But still, if Jalen get a 40 ball.
[1:09:22] Speaker 6: If he get 40 and he still get another 30
[1:09:24] Speaker 6: and 10. If he get another 30 and 10.
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: 5 and 4.
[1:09:26] Speaker 11: He definitely get another 30, though.
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely get another 30. He averaging 30. 240.
[1:09:30] Speaker 5: You don't have to get 5 and 4, man. 240.
[1:09:31] Speaker 5: I don't want you to be proud.
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: I think it's unanimous. It's no question that SGA is
[1:09:36] Speaker 2: going to be MVP.
[1:09:37] Speaker 6: What you got, Swaggy?
[1:09:38] Speaker 10: If he get a 40 ball, I think he got
[1:09:40] Speaker 10: a chance, bro. I don't want to put no pressure
[1:09:43] Speaker 10: on him. But right now, of course, it's Shaq. just
[1:09:46] Speaker 10: being consistent, but I like what young fella, he's looking
[1:09:49] Speaker 10: like Kobe coming out at a coming out party for me,
[1:09:53] Speaker 10: so I respect that, you know, and it's been done before.
[1:09:57] Speaker 10: The leading scorer don't always win finals in your feet.
[1:09:59] Speaker 10: I seen it last year. Yeah, I seen it last.
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: Year, so anything can happen.
[1:10:04] Speaker 6: But you got BJ?
[1:10:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, I got SGA.
[1:10:07] Speaker 5: SGA?
[1:10:07] Speaker 12: SGA winning it for sure. He's averaging 30. He's consistent,
[1:10:11] Speaker 12: and I mean, that's what he does. I mean, at
[1:10:12] Speaker 12: the end of the day, like you said, his boy
[1:10:13] Speaker 12: had 40, and he had 30 and 10. And he's
[1:10:16] Speaker 12: going to have another 30.
[1:10:17] Speaker 6: Five blocks and three steals.
[1:10:18] Speaker 11: Five blocks and three steals.
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: They're going to have 40 and what? Six and....
[1:10:24] Speaker 7: Like I said before, close your eyes and listen to
[1:10:27] Speaker 7: the stats.
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: Close your eyes, listen to the stats. It's all sound good.
[1:10:33] Speaker 14: Open your eyes, watch the goddamn game and tell me
[1:10:36] Speaker 14: who the MVP is.
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: Who hit the plus shots last game?
[1:10:39] Speaker 14: What the energy look like. What does the energy look like?
[1:10:43] Speaker 14: This guy that's trying to will his team to victory.
[1:10:46] Speaker 14: He's not trying to maintain my performance effort. I'm not maintaining.
[1:10:55] Speaker 14: I'm here to do this. Just like Jalen Brown was.
[1:10:58] Speaker 14: I'm here to do this, bro. We're trying to take
[1:10:59] Speaker 14: this shit to the... I don't give.
[1:11:01] Speaker 1: A fuck about these numbers. Fuck about this award. Let's
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: get the job done.
[1:11:05] Speaker 7: I'm going to go home whether or not I get
[1:11:08] Speaker 7: the award or not.
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: Snow bunnies. Man. Snow cones. I'm going to have to work, right?
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: What you think of that, Kurt?
[1:11:15] Speaker 5: What you think of that?
[1:11:16] Speaker 16: No, I mean, I like what Jay, look, I think
[1:11:19] Speaker 16: Jay does foul something. I think he found something.
[1:11:22] Speaker 1: For real.
[1:11:22] Speaker 16: He found that they have nobody on their roster that
[1:11:25] Speaker 16: can fucking stop him.
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: For real, yeah.
[1:11:27] Speaker 16: He went from game four, getting down here with the
[1:11:30] Speaker 16: scoop lathes, high off the glass, to game five, went
[1:11:33] Speaker 16: and started snatching the screws out the rim, knocking down three. So,
[1:11:37] Speaker 16: you know, but I do think that's the pressure. Like,
[1:11:40] Speaker 16: that's the thing of playing alongside a guy like SGA.
[1:11:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:11:44] Speaker 3: SGA is the best perimeter player in basketball.
[1:11:46] Speaker 16: You know what I'm saying? I don't give a fuck
[1:11:48] Speaker 16: what nobody say. Especially offensively. Best scorer, yeah, for sure.
[1:11:52] Speaker 3: This is what I want to ask y'all.
[1:11:53] Speaker 16: Now, history, for what we, history tells us that after
[1:11:59] Speaker 16: guys complete the mission, MVP, Then win a championship. The
[1:12:04] Speaker 16: man led the league and scored. Third consecutive season of
[1:12:08] Speaker 16: averaging 30, shooting over 50%. Joe and Michael Jordan sitting
[1:12:12] Speaker 16: at that table. For us, the only guards to ever
[1:12:14] Speaker 16: do that shit. Jordan did it five times. And then
[1:12:17] Speaker 16: all of a sudden, you go and win a first
[1:12:19] Speaker 16: championship MVP and you set records while you were in
[1:12:23] Speaker 16: the finals. Like, we anointed Giannis when he done it.
[1:12:28] Speaker 16: After he finished, oh, Giannis, the best player in the world.
[1:12:31] Speaker 3: Yoke it. I mean, what is it? What are we
[1:12:34] Speaker 3: going to say about Shea?
[1:12:36] Speaker 16: Is he the best player in the world if he
[1:12:37] Speaker 16: can complete the mission?
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. Easy. Easy. Easy, for sure. I
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: always feel like the star player is always the best player.
[1:12:48] Speaker 6: We might have some pushback on that.
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: K-Mart, what you got?
[1:12:52] Speaker 6: You ain't rolling?
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: I'm just asking, K-Mart.
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: No, no.
[1:12:57] Speaker 7: We're the best players in the world. Number 15 still. Listen, man,
[1:13:00] Speaker 7: let's not act like this man is an average triple-doubter, man.
[1:13:02] Speaker 7: Let's not do that, man. I've seen that before.
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: No, not from him. Listen, no, no, you have to.
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: I'm still taking Giannis over Giannis.
[1:13:08] Speaker 5: The cold and the open is still in the NBA, dawg.
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: Let's not do that, dawg.
[1:13:12] Speaker 5: Let's not do that, man. Shade won MVP, absolutely. He
[1:13:15] Speaker 5: in the finals, he going to sweep the world. More
[1:13:17] Speaker 5: power to him. I'm proud of the young fella. Trending
[1:13:20] Speaker 5: in the right direction.
[1:13:22] Speaker 7: But let's not act like Nikola Jokic is still not
[1:13:24] Speaker 7: lacing those bitches up.
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: Jokic is the best player in the NBA? Absolutely.
[1:13:28] Speaker 11: He ain't better than Giannis.
[1:13:29] Speaker 5: Giannis is limited.
[1:13:32] Speaker 1: I'm a big Giannis fan. I'm a big Giannis fan,
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: but limited, man.
[1:13:38] Speaker 3: But I'm asking this. Think about it, K-Mart again.
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: I'm going with Shea.
[1:13:42] Speaker 3: This is his third season in the row of averaging 30.
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: Man, easy, though.
[1:13:47] Speaker 6: Efficiently, too.
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: Easy, though.
[1:13:49] Speaker 3: Like I said, join Jordan.
[1:13:52] Speaker 16: It's only him and Jordan that do it for more
[1:13:54] Speaker 16: than three seasons.
[1:13:56] Speaker 3: Averaging 30, shooting over 50% from the field.
[1:13:59] Speaker 1: I'm a fan.
[1:13:59] Speaker 3: That's completed. Best record in the league.
[1:14:03] Speaker 5: I'm with him.
[1:14:05] Speaker 3: Okay? I'll play Jokic. I'll play Jokic.
[1:14:08] Speaker 5: They don't play the same position. You can't say that.
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: What do you mean?
[1:14:11] Speaker 5: They don't play the same position.
[1:14:13] Speaker 14: You're just comparing stats at this point. You're just lining
[1:14:16] Speaker 14: stats up and saying, who's stats better?
[1:14:18] Speaker 7: They ain't guarding each other, but Nikola still averaged triple-double.
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: You had to do what you had to do.
[1:14:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was going triple-double in that series. He
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: had the worst series of his career.
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on.
[1:14:29] Speaker 3: I had one of them, too.
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on.
[1:14:31] Speaker 14: Y'all said SGA averaged 30 for three straight seasons, right?
[1:14:35] Speaker 11: That's what he said, yeah.
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: Three. So did Giannis.
[1:14:38] Speaker 3: No, but I'm saying at the guard position.
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: At the power forward position.
[1:14:44] Speaker 3: I get that.
[1:14:45] Speaker 7: But it's more impressive at the power forward. Because you
[1:14:50] Speaker 7: don't get the ball.
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: You don't have the ball.
[1:14:53] Speaker 14: You don't have the ball in your hand. He has
[1:14:58] Speaker 14: to get the rebound off the glass.
[1:15:01] Speaker 1: You know like I know, Burt.
[1:15:02] Speaker 7: If you had that type of speed, you get that bitch,
[1:15:05] Speaker 7: you wouldn't have passed to nobody.
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: You wouldn't have went there. coast to coast.
[1:15:08] Speaker 16: All I'm saying is I love Giannis, but we're talking
[1:15:11] Speaker 16: about SGA, bro, who is not the most athletic motherfucker.
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: All these kids have to come.
[1:15:18] Speaker 16: Off tough, contested twos and tough, contested threes that he's
[1:15:23] Speaker 16: making at a high-ass, like, at a efficiency.
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: Rate, bro. What little girl did this, though?
[1:15:29] Speaker 7: Aside from team wins, right? They got 68 of them, right?
[1:15:35] Speaker 7: We're talking about regular season, most valuable player. Oklahoma City
[1:15:39] Speaker 7: has 68 wins. If I don't give you the wins, right,
[1:15:44] Speaker 7: to go with, and you don't know team success, and
[1:15:48] Speaker 7: I just give you three people's stats on the season,
[1:15:53] Speaker 7: one of them being SGA, one of them being Nicole,
[1:15:55] Speaker 7: and one of them being Giannis, and they're on a
[1:15:57] Speaker 7: piece of paper with no team success included with it.
[1:16:01] Speaker 1: You got to pick.
[1:16:02] Speaker 5: One of them is MVP by just going by their
[1:16:05] Speaker 5: numbers on paper. With not team success. Who you going with?
[1:16:12] Speaker 3: You can't do that, man.
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't.
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: You can't. You can't do that. You can't do that.
[1:16:19] Speaker 13: You can't.
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: You can't. You can't. You can't do that. You can't
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: do that. You can't do that.
[1:16:24] Speaker 12: You can't do that.
[1:16:25] Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't do that.
[1:16:27] Speaker 11: You can't do that.
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: You can't do that.
[1:16:28] Speaker 3: You can't do that.
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: do that. You can't do that. You can't do that.
[1:16:34] Speaker 3: You can't do that.
[1:16:35] Speaker 1: Russell had won three years in a row.
[1:16:37] Speaker 5: Like, Giannis would be the MVP on that list is
[1:16:38] Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
[1:16:39] Speaker 1: There has been Giannis fatigue. It was definitely Giannis fatigue.
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: It would be Giannis. You don't want to hear this.
[1:16:44] Speaker 1: You don't want to hear Giannis.
[1:16:45] Speaker 3: I'm not going with Dakota.
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: You don't want to hear it.
[1:16:47] Speaker 5: I'm going with Giannis in this situation because if you
[1:16:48] Speaker 5: look at it on paper, the numbers, 30s.
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: In the last eight years. 60% motherfucker from the field.
[1:16:55] Speaker 5: Like, you're doing six times this, two blocks.
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: It's going to be him. The last eight years. Without
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: any wins attached to him. The last eight years. The
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: last eight years, Giannis is 27, 27, 20. No, 27, 27, 30, 28, 30, 30, 30, 30. Mm-hmm.
[1:17:14] Speaker 1: And all of those are. All of those are. These
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: are the rebounds that go along with that. 10, 13, 14, 11, 11, 12, 11, 12. Yeah,
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: that's how I do that. Eight years. Eight years. First round,
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: first round, first round. Yeah, but the conversation was... Yeah,
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: but the conversation was... Yeah, but the conversation was... If
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: SGA win it this year, is he the best player
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: in the league?
[1:17:41] Speaker 6: Because that's when we crowned Giannis.
[1:17:43] Speaker 7: That was the question. And I'm giving y'all the answer.
[1:17:45] Speaker 7: My answer is no, and I'm giving you the reason why.
[1:17:47] Speaker 6: Because we crowned Giannis and Joker when they did the
[1:17:48] Speaker 6: same thing. That's why he's saying that. When Giannis did
[1:17:51] Speaker 6: what SGA did, he crowned him.
[1:17:53] Speaker 2: When Joker did what SGA did, we crowned him the best.
[1:17:55] Speaker 2: So should we keep it consistent with SGA?
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: No.
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: And look, y'all gotta bring me back. Look, I gotta.
[1:18:00] Speaker 1: I got to go. I think Chase should have won
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: last year.
[1:18:03] Speaker 5: You got to get ready to go.
[1:18:05] Speaker 16: Look, let me say this real quick. This is why
[1:18:08] Speaker 16: I'm saying with SGA, the 68 wins matter. But to
[1:18:13] Speaker 16: start the season, they were missing Isaiah Hardenstein.
[1:18:17] Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, Chet Holmgren, he fractured his hip.
[1:18:21] Speaker 3: He's out for what? Fucking two and a half, three months.
[1:18:24] Speaker 16: Then towards the last part of the season, for about
[1:18:27] Speaker 16: a month and a half, no J-Dub.
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: So that means it don't matter.
[1:18:32] Speaker 16: Give me one of these motherfuckers, and we're going to
[1:18:35] Speaker 16: continue to win games, and I'm going to continue to
[1:18:38] Speaker 16: keep giving these boys their work. We're still going to
[1:18:40] Speaker 16: have seasons. What's the difference here? What you just said
[1:18:44] Speaker 16: all that about. not having Chet and all that, right?
[1:18:52] Speaker 16: Giannis has the same story.
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: But he's moving. Wait.
[1:18:54] Speaker 7: Giannis has the same story.
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton. He's moving. My two guys ain't
[1:19:01] Speaker 1: been available.
[1:19:04] Speaker 7: The same way he's just saying that. And I'm still
[1:19:07] Speaker 7: doing me.
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: One scene. What about Joker?
[1:19:10] Speaker 7: Oh, my two guys, they having mental health issues.
[1:19:12] Speaker 14: Murray and MPJ. The MPJ going through some shit. My
[1:19:15] Speaker 14: guys ain't fully ready to go.
[1:19:17] Speaker 5: So, Perk, we're going to use that excuse for everybody.
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: We got to use it for everybody.
[1:19:21] Speaker 14: We can't just say SGA this and this.
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: He overcame that. Everybody had to.
[1:19:26] Speaker 7: So, Perk, I think, so, we all said on this
[1:19:29] Speaker 7: couch last year, we thought that Shea should have won
[1:19:32] Speaker 7: MVP last year, right?
[1:19:34] Speaker 1: Right. I did not say that. I didn't agree.
[1:19:35] Speaker 7: Well, you didn't, but it was the consensus, the majority
[1:19:40] Speaker 7: vote on the couch was we thought that Shea was
[1:19:43] Speaker 7: MVP last year.
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:19:45] Speaker 7: We think they dropped the ball. So now they playing
[1:19:48] Speaker 7: catch up, right? Because you can't, because you don't know
[1:19:51] Speaker 7: what these other guys will continue to do. Like Nicola
[1:19:53] Speaker 7: come out this year and average, he was close last year,
[1:19:56] Speaker 7: this year he averaged, he actually averaged a triple-double this year, right?
[1:19:59] Speaker 7: So you give it to him last year thinking that
[1:20:01] Speaker 7: this is, like we think, they was first in wins
[1:20:04] Speaker 7: last year, Oklahoma City first in wins last year, Shea
[1:20:07] Speaker 7: averaging 30. So if he was going to give it
[1:20:09] Speaker 7: to him last year, he didn't get it last year,
[1:20:10] Speaker 7: he did the same thing he did this year.
[1:20:11] Speaker 5: They just had a few more wins this year.
[1:20:13] Speaker 7: So he would have been back-to-back if they would have
[1:20:16] Speaker 7: just did what they were supposed.
[1:20:17] Speaker 3: To last year. Coming with 16 wins.
[1:20:20] Speaker 7: This year, it would have been better for his case
[1:20:22] Speaker 7: to be back-to-back instead of people like, uh.
[1:20:25] Speaker 3: But that right there... to me is why he should
[1:20:30] Speaker 3: have won it this year.
[1:20:31] Speaker 16: The fact that he came back this season and doubled
[1:20:35] Speaker 16: down and said, man, I'm going to give y'all a
[1:20:37] Speaker 16: better motherfucking season than what I did last year, and
[1:20:40] Speaker 16: I'm going to double down, and I'm going to not
[1:20:42] Speaker 16: only have the best record in the West by probably
[1:20:45] Speaker 16: 17 games, We're going.
[1:20:47] Speaker 3: To finish with the best record in the fucking league.
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: Nah, man, I hear you. That's crazy, bro.
[1:20:54] Speaker 14: But the same guy, number 15, did the same type
[1:20:57] Speaker 14: of double down and double down and did a triple double.
[1:21:00] Speaker 14: And my guys didn't show up. That's the difference.
[1:21:03] Speaker 7: The only difference between the two is my guys didn't
[1:21:05] Speaker 7: show up.
[1:21:06] Speaker 1: I did. And I went up. And I went up.
[1:21:10] Speaker 2: We got one last question. We're still waiting on seeing
[1:21:14] Speaker 2: if Hallie's going to be able to play with that calf.
[1:21:16] Speaker 2: Do you think he will play, and do you think
[1:21:18] Speaker 2: he should play?
[1:21:19] Speaker 3: I don't think he should, man.
[1:21:21] Speaker 16: And I'm going to give him the same fucking advice
[1:21:23] Speaker 16: I did when I first started in media, I believe,
[1:21:27] Speaker 16: in 2019. KD was dealing with a calf strain, and
[1:21:31] Speaker 16: I told KD in his face, and I went on
[1:21:33] Speaker 16: and said it.
[1:21:34] Speaker 3: I said, hey, bro. You shouldn't play.
[1:21:37] Speaker 16: It's too much going on with a fucking calf strain.
[1:21:40] Speaker 16: And what did KD end up doing, bro? He tore
[1:21:42] Speaker 16: his Achilles. Dog, you're playing at the highest fucking level.
[1:21:47] Speaker 16: In the NBA right now, the finals, you know who
[1:21:50] Speaker 16: don't give a fuck about his calf?
[1:21:51] Speaker 3: The Oklahoma City Thunder. You know who's going.
[1:21:54] Speaker 16: To be putting him in every fucking action tonight probably,
[1:21:57] Speaker 16: especially to start off? The Oklahoma City Thunder. So, bro,
[1:22:02] Speaker 16: are you really helping your team if you're going out
[1:22:06] Speaker 16: there 60, 65% when you got them dogs you're going against?
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:22:10] Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying? And then all of a sudden,
[1:22:12] Speaker 3: if he don't, we're going to hear the story like, man, damn, man.
[1:22:15] Speaker 3: You was a warrior, bro.
[1:22:16] Speaker 16: You went out there, but you couldn't help the team.
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: And I'm not sitting.
[1:22:23] Speaker 16: Up here trying to criticize him or sabotage his character
[1:22:28] Speaker 16: and say he ain't hurt or something to that shit.
[1:22:32] Speaker 16: I ain't going to never judge him and say that
[1:22:34] Speaker 16: he's not hurt. My thing is... you got to be
[1:22:37] Speaker 16: careful with that. But then on the other side of it, man,
[1:22:40] Speaker 16: you don't make it to the NBA Finals awful.
[1:22:43] Speaker 3: So I get it, bro.
[1:22:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[1:22:45] Speaker 16: Like, I was on the sideline with a toy at ACL,
[1:22:48] Speaker 16: had to watch my dogs go to war in the
[1:22:50] Speaker 16: game seven, not knowing if I was going to ever
[1:22:53] Speaker 16: make it back to them motherfuckers.
[1:22:55] Speaker 3: So I get it.
[1:22:57] Speaker 6: Man, we appreciate you joining us, man. Make sure you
[1:22:59] Speaker 6: pull up to the arena again. Let's give you a
[1:23:01] Speaker 6: round of applause.
[1:23:02] Speaker 3: Appreciate you, big fella.
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: My name is... That shit was lit. Smoke.
[1:23:08] Speaker 11: Smoke.
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: Give him the smoke. Where the smoke at?
[1:23:10] Speaker 6: There it is.
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: Push. Yeah, that one.
[1:23:11] Speaker 5: That was the top one. All right, now hit the
[1:23:14] Speaker 5: other button or hit the stop button.
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: I did it. I did it. I did it. Got you.
[1:23:17] Speaker 5: Got you.
[1:23:19] Speaker 1: He was good. He was good.
[1:23:21] Speaker 2: Speaking of the finals, we talked a little bit about
[1:23:23] Speaker 2: Tyrese Hallenberg dealing with that calf strain. Here's what he
[1:23:26] Speaker 2: said yesterday about everything he's been doing trying to be
[1:23:29] Speaker 2: active for game six.
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:23:33] Speaker 15: I mean, I think just around the clock stuff as
[1:23:34] Speaker 15: much as I can. Massage, needles, hyperbaric.
[1:23:38] Speaker 3: H-Wave.
[1:23:39] Speaker 15: I mean, just a bunch of different things to try
[1:23:41] Speaker 15: to get it to feel as comfortable as you can
[1:23:43] Speaker 15: going into it. The right tape and stuff while I
[1:23:46] Speaker 15: am performing. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's a bunch
[1:23:52] Speaker 15: of medical professionals who could give you a better answer,
[1:23:54] Speaker 15: but just doing everything that I'm told, trying to do
[1:23:57] Speaker 15: everything I can.
[1:23:59] Speaker 1: All right.
[1:24:01] Speaker 11: That's all you can do.
[1:24:02] Speaker 5: You look defeated a little bit, man.
[1:24:04] Speaker 7: Yeah, because he ain't 100% healthy. You're on the biggest
[1:24:07] Speaker 7: stage and you ain't healthy? Yeah, that shit is demoralizing, bro.
[1:24:11] Speaker 5: You done did all this shit, fought all this to
[1:24:13] Speaker 5: get to the finals and you get the shit on
[1:24:16] Speaker 5: the season, on the line, and you do this? Bro,
[1:24:19] Speaker 5: it's demoralizing, man.
[1:24:20] Speaker 6: Steve ain't like that.
[1:24:22] Speaker 7: He's doing everything that he could possibly do to get
[1:24:24] Speaker 7: ready to play.
[1:24:25] Speaker 5: That's all you can do.
[1:24:27] Speaker 7: Around-the-clock treatment, staying off your feet, doing everything you're told,
[1:24:31] Speaker 7: drinking plenty of water, staying away from certain.
[1:24:33] Speaker 5: Things and all that.
[1:24:34] Speaker 2: So that's all you fucking can do, man, at this point. Well,
[1:24:36] Speaker 2: salute for him doing that. Talking about injuries, we're going
[1:24:40] Speaker 2: to go around. What's the worst injury that you've ever
[1:24:43] Speaker 2: tried to play through? We're going to start with B.J.
[1:24:44] Speaker 2: and we're going to go all the way around.
[1:24:47] Speaker 11: Probably when I broke my foot second year.
[1:24:50] Speaker 12: I had like a chip bone and I didn't even
[1:24:52] Speaker 12: know when I was playing on it for like a month.
[1:24:53] Speaker 11: It was just really aching bad. And you played through it.
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:24:55] Speaker 6: Tried to play through it.
[1:24:56] Speaker 11: Tried to play through it and then I ended up
[1:24:58] Speaker 11: breaking it. What about you, Nick?
[1:25:02] Speaker 10: Had a little chip bone in my knee. Just been
[1:25:05] Speaker 10: playing through it my whole career, really. The doctor said
[1:25:08] Speaker 10: if it like falls into place, it's good to play.
[1:25:12] Speaker 10: But if it floats around, I got to get rid
[1:25:15] Speaker 10: of it.
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: So luckily it just....
[1:25:19] Speaker 10: Found the spot and was just chilling, really.
[1:25:22] Speaker 6: Was you out for an extended period of time or
[1:25:24] Speaker 6: you was able to keep playing?
[1:25:25] Speaker 1: Nah, nah, I was trying to get this money, man.
[1:25:27] Speaker 10: It was like, Gil got traded, I was starting, I
[1:25:30] Speaker 10: was like, nah, whatever happens, happens.
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: Fuck that, I gotta school. It's my time, man, I
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: done waited for this. Fuck that.
[1:25:38] Speaker 3: K-Mart.
[1:25:40] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:25:40] Speaker 6: Worst injury that you ever tried to play through?
[1:25:42] Speaker 7: Uh, minus the, uh, coming back from, like, major surgeries
[1:25:47] Speaker 7: and things like that, uh, Probably turf toe. My junior
[1:25:55] Speaker 7: year at Cincinnati, I had a metal plate in my shoe.
[1:26:00] Speaker 7: Instead of my toe, like you jam your toe real bad.
[1:26:02] Speaker 7: It's like, it's a real, it's what it is. Like
[1:26:04] Speaker 7: you jam your toe. So you got to like tape
[1:26:07] Speaker 7: your toe a certain way. I had to put a
[1:26:10] Speaker 7: metal plate in my shoe and they got to tape
[1:26:12] Speaker 7: your toe a certain way so it don't bend. And
[1:26:15] Speaker 7: I had no lift. I couldn't push off.
[1:26:19] Speaker 1: I heard about turf toe.
[1:26:21] Speaker 6: Turf toe, that's what took down Prime.
[1:26:23] Speaker 7: Yeah, like a lot of dudes get that shit, bro.
[1:26:26] Speaker 7: Some dudes don't recover from that shit. That shit hurt.
[1:26:30] Speaker 6: Shoddy, toughest injury you tried to play through?
[1:26:34] Speaker 1: Two of them.
[1:26:37] Speaker 14: In college, my whole freshman year, I had to play
[1:26:40] Speaker 14: with a 200 AC joint.
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: I had a shoulder harness on.
[1:26:46] Speaker 14: The majority of the year I had a sprained wrist
[1:26:48] Speaker 14: and a dislocated pinky.
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: I played through all that.
[1:26:52] Speaker 7: And then after my second year, my back went out
[1:27:04] Speaker 7: of alignment.
[1:27:05] Speaker 14: So I was always dunking with my left. So I
[1:27:08] Speaker 14: always dunk on it with my left. My back went
[1:27:10] Speaker 14: out of alignment. So the rest of my career, my
[1:27:12] Speaker 14: shit was off. Back was always off. You said your
[1:27:15] Speaker 14: back was hurt?
[1:27:16] Speaker 1: It was off. My back, I had a bachyotomy. You, Dwight. You, Dwight.
[1:27:23] Speaker 6: So, anyways, anyways.
[1:27:24] Speaker 1: How did that, how did you hurt your back? Show
[1:27:26] Speaker 1: me the camera. So your hip, you threw your hip
[1:27:28] Speaker 1: out when you was doing it? Huh?
[1:27:31] Speaker 7: No, but when you're on this stage, man, when you're
[1:27:34] Speaker 7: on the biggest stage and you have anything going on,
[1:27:38] Speaker 7: you try to block it out no matter what it is.
[1:27:40] Speaker 6: For sure.
[1:27:41] Speaker 7: But when you're limiting your physical ability... And when you
[1:27:46] Speaker 7: built on speed, which he is, Having a hard time
[1:27:49] Speaker 7: processing it, right? When you're not there. When you don't
[1:27:52] Speaker 7: feel like you.
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:27:54] Speaker 5: And you know what's at stake. Your season's at stake
[1:27:57] Speaker 5: right now. Your season's on the line.
[1:27:58] Speaker 7: And to Perk Point, them boys across from you, you
[1:28:00] Speaker 7: don't give two dams that your calf is hurting.
[1:28:04] Speaker 5: That's a horrible feeling.
[1:28:05] Speaker 7: Y'all just interrupt me when I'm in the middle.
[1:28:09] Speaker 1: Just let me know when y'all want.
[1:28:10] Speaker 6: Oh, you wasn't done saying the bachyotomy? Oh, go finish
[1:28:13] Speaker 6: your speech.
[1:28:14] Speaker 18: Yeah, you said you need the bachyotomy. He was trying
[1:28:17] Speaker 18: to be joking, so we was trying to move. I
[1:28:18] Speaker 18: thought you was at the end. It's all good. It's
[1:28:23] Speaker 18: all good, bro. He was joking, so I was trying
[1:28:26] Speaker 18: to go far. A little respect.
[1:28:28] Speaker 5: A little respect.
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: A little respect go a long way.
[1:28:31] Speaker 5: But keep going, host, man.
[1:28:33] Speaker 1: Go ahead, man.
[1:28:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, so my SI joint slipped out of place.
[1:28:39] Speaker 6: I didn't even know.
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: That could even happen but I was trying to play
[1:28:42] Speaker 2: through I was like man my back something ain't right
[1:28:45] Speaker 2: I went to the chiropractor they didn't they couldn't figure
[1:28:47] Speaker 2: it out but eventually I was able to figure I
[1:28:49] Speaker 2: went to my trainer uh David Alexander and He was
[1:28:53] Speaker 2: able to, you know, figure it out for me. And
[1:28:55] Speaker 2: I was able to– I had to miss about 40 games.
[1:28:58] Speaker 2: But before I missed those 40 games, I played like
[1:29:00] Speaker 2: two weeks. My back was not right. But we was
[1:29:04] Speaker 2: able to try to play through it. Like Kenyon said,
[1:29:06] Speaker 2: if you can play, you know, you're going to try
[1:29:08] Speaker 2: to play. And so I respect everybody who played through
[1:29:11] Speaker 2: their injuries.
[1:29:11] Speaker 6: Respect to Holly.
[1:29:12] Speaker 1: What made it slip out? Like what happened?
[1:29:14] Speaker 11: So– You don't get your joke in.
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I promise. I don't know what the
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: SI is. He going to get his back. I'm like,
[1:29:25] Speaker 1: what's the SI? He going to get his back. Right, right, right, right. Norris, Norris.
[1:29:29] Speaker 1: My back. He had to balance it out.
[1:29:31] Speaker 6: He couldn't just say it to you, so he got
[1:29:33] Speaker 6: to get it in.
[1:29:34] Speaker 1: My back is fine. What's the SI? Spinal?
[1:29:37] Speaker 6: He sound like Michael Point.
[1:29:39] Speaker 11: Spinal.
[1:29:39] Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying
[1:29:43] Speaker 1: to say. SI.
[1:29:43] Speaker 5: Let him get his back.
[1:29:45] Speaker 1: Anyways.
[1:29:46] Speaker 2: Anyways, yeah, we know that how he's going through some injury.
[1:29:49] Speaker 2: So who needs to step up for the Pacers in
[1:29:50] Speaker 2: game six?
[1:29:51] Speaker 12: I think you know trying to be the number one option,
[1:29:58] Speaker 12: you know If how he's going to try to go
[1:29:59] Speaker 12: out there and play see outcomes have to be more
[1:30:02] Speaker 12: aggressive TJ He's gonna have to be more aggressive.
[1:30:04] Speaker 5: So he can't be more aggressive.
[1:30:07] Speaker 7: We need him in the fourth quarter. He got, we
[1:30:10] Speaker 7: need him to, he the one that, he the only
[1:30:12] Speaker 7: guy out there that you're going to tell him this,
[1:30:14] Speaker 7: I need you to rev it down a little bit.
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: Just a little bit. Just a little, because I need
[1:30:17] Speaker 1: you in the fourth quarter, right? Okay, well, all right. Well,
[1:30:21] Speaker 1: the starters need to be more aggressive in the beginning.
[1:30:23] Speaker 12: You know, I know how he's going to try to play,
[1:30:25] Speaker 12: but like you said, you know, TJ already get off
[1:30:27] Speaker 12: the bench.
[1:30:27] Speaker 5: He's already going a thousand miles an hour.
[1:30:29] Speaker 1: So, but yeah, see, I'll come.
[1:30:31] Speaker 11: And then, you know, everybody else, the role players and stuff.
[1:30:34] Speaker 6: You got swaggy? Step up.
[1:30:36] Speaker 11: Step it up.
[1:30:37] Speaker 1: Benedict.
[1:30:38] Speaker 5: Who am I?
[1:30:40] Speaker 11: Matherin.
[1:30:42] Speaker 6: Matherin.
[1:30:43] Speaker 5: Benjamin Matherin.
[1:30:44] Speaker 1: It's Benjamin?
[1:30:46] Speaker 5: That is his name. Just call him Ben. Benedict Matherin.
[1:30:49] Speaker 1: Ben. Ben.
[1:30:50] Speaker 6: What's wrong with Swaggy today, man?
[1:30:53] Speaker 1: I feel like it's the same time. Shadi, what's wrong
[1:30:55] Speaker 1: with him today, man?
[1:30:56] Speaker 11: It's Thursday.
[1:30:56] Speaker 1: It's Thursday. It's Thursday?
[1:30:58] Speaker 6: Okay, okay, okay, okay.
[1:30:59] Speaker 1: I ain't got to see y'all that much now. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
[1:31:02] Speaker 1: It's his time, man.
[1:31:03] Speaker 10: I think he averaged 16 or something like that. Once
[1:31:08] Speaker 10: he got hurt, he got out the starting lineup. It's
[1:31:10] Speaker 10: his time to step back up when they need him.
[1:31:13] Speaker 1: For real.
[1:31:15] Speaker 6: We ain't going to interrupt you this time, Shadi. Who
[1:31:16] Speaker 6: needs to step up?
[1:31:18] Speaker 1: Make your point.
[1:31:22] Speaker 5: No, fuck that.
[1:31:25] Speaker 1: Miles Turner.
[1:31:27] Speaker 11: Miles Turner, okay.
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I need him to step up. All
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: the way. Double-double. Show him why he's supposed to be there.
[1:31:36] Speaker 1: Because if he don't, he got to go. Okay. He
[1:31:39] Speaker 1: got to step up.
[1:31:42] Speaker 6: Can we move on to action?
[1:31:43] Speaker 1: I got a little more.
[1:31:44] Speaker 6: Hold on. He got a little bit more.
[1:31:47] Speaker 11: Talk to us, Shadi.
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: Go ahead. How many All-Stars Turner made?
[1:31:51] Speaker 11: None. He's not no All-Star.
[1:31:53] Speaker 1: Miles Turner wasn't an All-Star?
[1:31:54] Speaker 11: No, I don't think so.
[1:31:56] Speaker 14: No, no, no.
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: I swear I thought he was. He never made an
[1:31:59] Speaker 1: All-Star game. No.
[1:32:00] Speaker 11: Who else?
[1:32:03] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:32:04] Speaker 11: We can move.
[1:32:04] Speaker 1: Got you.
[1:32:04] Speaker 6: K-Mart, who needs to step up?
[1:32:13] Speaker 5: Obi Toppin.
[1:32:18] Speaker 7: They don't have anybody over there that can do what
[1:32:21] Speaker 7: he do, man. So I think he needs to insert
[1:32:23] Speaker 7: himself from the beginning. be more aggressive attacking the rim,
[1:32:28] Speaker 7: have an aggressive mindset when he's attacking the rim, try
[1:32:31] Speaker 7: to get Chet and Harstein off the floor, get them
[1:32:33] Speaker 7: in foul trouble. The more he's attacking the rim and
[1:32:39] Speaker 7: putting the ball on the deck, that shot going to
[1:32:42] Speaker 7: open up for him. So, yeah, so I'm going to
[1:32:44] Speaker 7: go over the top.
[1:32:45] Speaker 2: I got two players that I think need to step up.
[1:32:47] Speaker 2: I think Nate Smith need to go into that mode
[1:32:49] Speaker 2: he did against the Knicks, make five, six threes. And
[1:32:54] Speaker 2: I think Nembhard needs to play like how he played
[1:32:56] Speaker 2: last year when Mahali had to hurt hamstring.
[1:32:59] Speaker 6: Nembhard was averaging a dub.
[1:33:01] Speaker 2: He got to go back to that aggressive playmaking and
[1:33:04] Speaker 2: scoring Nembhard. I think if he can do that, they might,
[1:33:06] Speaker 2: you know, have a chance to score enough points because
[1:33:08] Speaker 2: they got to get to that 110 mark.
[1:33:09] Speaker 5: I think he asked to do two.
[1:33:10] Speaker 11: We all have different people.
[1:33:12] Speaker 7: I think he's asking because he got to guard Shea
[1:33:15] Speaker 7: so much and then. They're trying to get, so I
[1:33:17] Speaker 7: just think his mindset is not on that side of
[1:33:21] Speaker 7: the ball right now, right? But it has to shift
[1:33:24] Speaker 7: for this game if Halliburton is not. Yeah, you've sacrificed
[1:33:28] Speaker 7: up to this point. I think his mindset has been, like,
[1:33:31] Speaker 7: I've got to, like, conserve energy.
[1:33:33] Speaker 6: They can put Shepard in maybe to give him a
[1:33:35] Speaker 6: little bit of relief.
[1:33:36] Speaker 1: True.
[1:33:37] Speaker 5: He's got to make shots, too.
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: He does.
[1:33:39] Speaker 5: No, Shepard.
[1:33:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:33:40] Speaker 5: Like, Shepard's got to make shots. He's their shooter. He's
[1:33:42] Speaker 5: one of their better shooters, so he's got.
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: To make shots. Getting those looks. Everybody clamming up.
[1:33:46] Speaker 14: That's the bottom line for Pacers. They look like they
[1:33:48] Speaker 14: never even thought they'd ever be here before. They look
[1:33:51] Speaker 14: like they neutral to prom.
[1:33:53] Speaker 1: They never been.
[1:33:54] Speaker 14: Never put the suit on. So this is the game.
[1:33:57] Speaker 14: That's what I'm saying. They playing like that. They playing
[1:33:59] Speaker 14: like they never been here before. Like, oh my God,
[1:34:01] Speaker 14: we're here. Oh, that's Kim Kardashian.
[1:34:04] Speaker 1: Oh, shit. They got to literally walk in there today like, yo.
[1:34:08] Speaker 7: We got to have this.
[1:34:10] Speaker 1: Everybody got to show up.
[1:34:12] Speaker 14: There can't be no point in the game we can
[1:34:15] Speaker 14: time out and Rick got to be like, come on, guys.
[1:34:19] Speaker 14: There should never be a point where we're like, come on, guys.
[1:34:22] Speaker 1: We need more energy. We need more energy. It's over.
[1:34:25] Speaker 1: He ain't going to have to say that.
[1:34:28] Speaker 5: Now we need more energy. Where are they at?
[1:34:30] Speaker 1: At home? Energy is going to be on 12 tonight.
[1:34:32] Speaker 7: If they go down 10... If Indiana go down 10,
[1:34:40] Speaker 7: it's going to be nasty.
[1:34:42] Speaker 1: Nasty night. They go down 10 in the first half,
[1:34:45] Speaker 1: it's nasty.
[1:34:45] Speaker 14: I know, but I'm saying just the energy for them
[1:34:50] Speaker 14: to go down 10 and that energy be where like.
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: And Holly not there.
[1:34:54] Speaker 5: The way Oklahoma City defending them boys.
[1:34:58] Speaker 1: They'll beat them by 30 if they go up 10 early.
[1:35:01] Speaker 10: They're supposed to win.
[1:35:06] Speaker 14: Gotta come out like it's my team.
[1:35:08] Speaker 1: Mathering gotta come out like I'm already gonna do it.
[1:35:10] Speaker 6: He don't know.
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: He's not we don't see he'd be Clint.
[1:35:13] Speaker 14: He'd be climbing man The.
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: Reason they here now showed up for the last Oh, no.
[1:35:19] Speaker 5: He got a defense with a 30 out of see
[1:35:21] Speaker 5: I don't say Lynn Williams.
[1:35:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that Man, cook my food, man.
[1:35:30] Speaker 7: Cook my food, man.
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: Serve, serve. What you doing? Come here, come here. You
[1:35:39] Speaker 1: got nothing on me. You got nothing on me. Half spin,
[1:35:44] Speaker 1: half spin, half spin.
[1:35:47] Speaker 2: So, if Hallie doesn't start, we're going to put a
[1:35:51] Speaker 2: poll question out there, too. Who should be in the
[1:35:53] Speaker 2: starting lineup?
[1:35:54] Speaker 5: No, you have to start him.
[1:35:55] Speaker 6: No, I said if Allie can't play.
[1:35:56] Speaker 5: If he can't play. No, you said if he don't start.
[1:35:58] Speaker 6: If he can't play.
[1:35:59] Speaker 5: Excuse me, I'm sorry.
[1:36:00] Speaker 6: If he can't play, who should be the starting five
[1:36:02] Speaker 6: for the Pacers? I mean, he might try to Willis Reed,
[1:36:04] Speaker 6: but I don't think he should.
[1:36:05] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. If he don't play.
[1:36:06] Speaker 5: You have to start in front of him again. You
[1:36:07] Speaker 5: can't let him warm up. You know what I'm saying?
[1:36:09] Speaker 6: But if he doesn't play, who should be the starting five?
[1:36:11] Speaker 6: Who should replace him? Who should replace him if he
[1:36:13] Speaker 6: don't start, if he don't play?
[1:36:14] Speaker 5: I think you got to go Benjamin Matthews. You got
[1:36:16] Speaker 5: to go Ben Matthews, I think, man. All right.
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: Neymar, Matherin, Neesmith, Siakam.
[1:36:23] Speaker 7: You need scoring and aggression and mentality to start that game, man. Like,
[1:36:28] Speaker 7: if he don't play, you got to put somebody that's
[1:36:30] Speaker 7: going to put some pressure on them.
[1:36:32] Speaker 14: I'll be honest, TJ, I wouldn't start OB topping.
[1:36:37] Speaker 1: I would start OB topping at the five.
[1:36:39] Speaker 11: I would start shepherd.
[1:36:41] Speaker 5: I would start OB at the five.
[1:36:42] Speaker 6: I would start shepherd and let Neymar be the point
[1:36:44] Speaker 6: guard so that everybody else can stay.
[1:36:45] Speaker 1: In the natural road. Neymar point guard for sure.
[1:36:47] Speaker 6: Yeah, I would start shepherd, though.
[1:36:49] Speaker 14: So bring Matthew still off the bench? Him and TJ?
[1:36:53] Speaker 14: I like that. Keep that role. Because that's the role
[1:36:55] Speaker 14: we were talking about last time. They need them to
[1:36:57] Speaker 14: come back and be down.
[1:36:59] Speaker 1: So yeah, I like that.
[1:37:00] Speaker 6: And Shepard can shoot and play defense.
[1:37:02] Speaker 5: This is the difference.
[1:37:05] Speaker 7: If you don't got Matherin in there, you need Neem
[1:37:08] Speaker 7: Hart and Siakam to be aggressive. Because Shepard is going
[1:37:10] Speaker 7: to be useless without no aggression.
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: Absolutely. You need somebody to get him open so he
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: can get his shot.
[1:37:14] Speaker 5: That's why Ben go put pressure on you.
[1:37:17] Speaker 16: Yeah.
[1:37:17] Speaker 1: TJ going to put pressure on you, too. TJ. That's
[1:37:21] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're saying bring Matron off the bench, too.
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: Do the tour. I'm going to work for that. Oh,
[1:37:26] Speaker 1: you can start, man.
[1:37:26] Speaker 6: Who do you think should start?
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: Do the Toradoff work for that shot? For the cap? No.
[1:37:31] Speaker 7: Not if you don't know exactly where. It can be high.
[1:37:34] Speaker 7: It can be low. It can be all that.
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: It can move.
[1:37:35] Speaker 7: It ain't like you just have chronic pain. He has
[1:37:39] Speaker 7: an actual injury. He has a strain. So if you
[1:37:42] Speaker 7: got chronic... Toradoff helps for... You got chronic pain.
[1:37:46] Speaker 5: Them dudes that... Yeah, you want to try to tape
[1:37:51] Speaker 5: that bitch up, numb it up, and numb that shit
[1:37:53] Speaker 5: up and go out.
[1:37:54] Speaker 2: That's dangerous, too, to numb your calf like that. You
[1:37:58] Speaker 2: take the wrong step. Now that Achilles, there's a lot
[1:37:59] Speaker 2: of pressure on that Achilles. It's not smart to do
[1:38:01] Speaker 2: that shit, trust me. But the line-up, though, who are
[1:38:02] Speaker 2: you going with? And they don't get a tour dog
[1:38:03] Speaker 2: no more.
[1:38:03] Speaker 11: Who's starting?
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: If Halle's out.
[1:38:04] Speaker 6: I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben.
[1:38:05] Speaker 1: I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben.
[1:38:06] Speaker 5: I'm going Ben.
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: I'm going Ben.
[1:38:06] Speaker 5: I'm going Ben.
[1:38:07] Speaker 1: I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben.
[1:38:08] Speaker 11: I'm going Ben.
[1:38:09] Speaker 5: I'm going Ben.
[1:38:10] Speaker 6: I'm going Ben.
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben. I'm
[1:38:13] Speaker 1: going Ben. I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben.
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: I'm going Ben. I'm going Ben.
[1:38:16] Speaker 12: I'm Down 3-2. My point guard's not playing. I'm going
[1:38:20] Speaker 12: to just go with TJ. Yeah, because I need to
[1:38:24] Speaker 12: get off to a great start. I need somebody to
[1:38:27] Speaker 12: push the pace early. They'd be down double figures in
[1:38:29] Speaker 12: the beginning.
[1:38:30] Speaker 1: Of the game.
[1:38:31] Speaker 12: If I'm going out like that, I'm going out with
[1:38:33] Speaker 12: my gun.
[1:38:34] Speaker 11: He's going to just play. Fuck it.
[1:38:36] Speaker 6: Hopefully you don't gas out.
[1:38:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:38:38] Speaker 11: You need that boot.
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: Come on down. You do need that boot. It might
[1:38:43] Speaker 1: change from here being a starter. I know. Nah, but
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: you know what?
[1:38:47] Speaker 14: Now that I'm thinking about it, It's a totally different game,
[1:38:50] Speaker 14: a totally different team.
[1:38:52] Speaker 1: So we can't depend on the bench because.
[1:38:54] Speaker 14: We don't got our regular mob that's either. So we
[1:38:59] Speaker 14: need all explosive. We need everything we got. So I
[1:39:03] Speaker 14: agree with you. You're saying TJ. I like TJ, Ben, Neesmith.
[1:39:11] Speaker 7: Siakam and then Obi. No, he come off the bench.
[1:39:16] Speaker 7: Neem Hart come off the bench.
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: He can handle the ball. No, he can be power
[1:39:21] Speaker 1: off the bench. We switch it up.
[1:39:24] Speaker 5: I know.
[1:39:24] Speaker 14: I would switch it up for that reason. TJ's aggressive.
[1:39:29] Speaker 14: Matron's aggressive. Neem Hart is our shooter. Siakam need to
[1:39:33] Speaker 14: be aggressive. Obi Toppin is our slasher, offensive rebounder, dunker, runner. Man,
[1:39:38] Speaker 14: we got full foul power right now. We go with
[1:39:41] Speaker 14: this rule. Neymar, look, if you think about him, I mean, yeah, Neymar,
[1:39:45] Speaker 14: he ain't really been aggressive.
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: He's just out there. He playing good defense, though. He
[1:39:50] Speaker 1: won you one game. But we need some, we need,
[1:39:54] Speaker 1: we need 15. I'm not going to just shake everything
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: up just for that one game.
[1:39:59] Speaker 14: But you have to. Your main piece is gone. That's
[1:40:02] Speaker 14: 10 assists a game.
[1:40:04] Speaker 6: Your bench is still in place. You can just put
[1:40:06] Speaker 6: in like a shepherd.
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: But you don't.
[1:40:07] Speaker 7: Have a leader that does what he does. You got
[1:40:09] Speaker 7: to change everything.
[1:40:10] Speaker 6: But Nembhard is proving last year in the playoffs that
[1:40:13] Speaker 6: he can.
[1:40:13] Speaker 1: Step it up. As a starter. But he can't do
[1:40:16] Speaker 1: what he does.
[1:40:17] Speaker 6: You don't need him to.
[1:40:18] Speaker 1: Yes, you do. He's not him. You can't make him
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: be Holly.
[1:40:21] Speaker 14: For our system to work, our system is 10, 15,
[1:40:24] Speaker 14: 10 assists. 10 points, 10 assists from this guy.
[1:40:29] Speaker 2: He's moving the whole thing.
[1:40:32] Speaker 1: You have to.
[1:40:34] Speaker 5: We don't have another identity.
[1:40:36] Speaker 7: We don't have an identity outside of his leadership.
[1:40:38] Speaker 1: Our main guy is out. Our main guy is out.
[1:40:40] Speaker 1: We have to shake it up. You just got to
[1:40:42] Speaker 1: replace one guy.
[1:40:43] Speaker 6: Because your bitch will keep your bitch intact.
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: Your team is going to replace him. You can't replace him.
[1:40:50] Speaker 5: In the start lineup if he doesn't play.
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: You can bring them in, Earl.
[1:40:53] Speaker 6: I'm going with Shepard and then make a quick sub
[1:40:55] Speaker 6: and then your bitch.
[1:40:56] Speaker 1: Can get right back in quicker.
[1:40:57] Speaker 7: Who's going to give you 10 assists that's backing up Halliburton?
[1:41:00] Speaker 1: Collectively. Collectively. You got to do it collectively. You don't
[1:41:02] Speaker 1: need 10 assists from one guy.
[1:41:03] Speaker 6: Yeah, collectively you can do it.
[1:41:05] Speaker 5: You don't need 10 assists from one guy.
[1:41:07] Speaker 2: Real quick, real quick, real quick. The chat has spoken.
[1:41:10] Speaker 2: Who's most likely to step up?
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: 55% said Siakam. 16% said Nembhard.
[1:41:12] Speaker 6: 14% agreed with Shoddy and said Turner.
[1:41:14] Speaker 1: 15% said Matherin. So....
[1:41:20] Speaker 11: Yeah, Siakam, I mean, yeah.
[1:41:21] Speaker 6: Yeah, Siakam, everybody agree with you.
[1:41:23] Speaker 1: I knew that one.
[1:41:24] Speaker 2: Officiating for tonight. Do y'all think that will play a factor?
[1:41:28] Speaker 2: The refs for game six have been listed. It's Zach Zarbra,
[1:41:32] Speaker 2: Tony Brothers, and Dave Guthrie. How much of an effect
[1:41:36] Speaker 2: will the officiating affect tonight?
[1:41:40] Speaker 1: And is this a good crew?
[1:41:41] Speaker 2: I said, how much will they affect the game tonight,
[1:41:44] Speaker 2: and is this a good crew? Tony Brothers, Dave Guthrie,
[1:41:46] Speaker 2: Zach Zarbra.
[1:41:49] Speaker 5: So with this, who's the lead?
[1:41:51] Speaker 3: Zabra.
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: Zabra.
[1:41:53] Speaker 5: That's a good crew.
[1:41:56] Speaker 1: Nah. That's a good crew. Tony's cool, man. Zach and
[1:42:01] Speaker 1: Tony together.
[1:42:02] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I asked who's the lead.
[1:42:04] Speaker 1: What's the dude's name? Foster. Tony's a different nigga when
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: he's the lead. That's why I asked. Foster, yeah. Them
[1:42:09] Speaker 1: two together is him. No.
[1:42:11] Speaker 7: Zach and Tony is him. No, when Tony got the lead,
[1:42:13] Speaker 7: he a different nigga.
[1:42:14] Speaker 6: He is different.
[1:42:15] Speaker 5: He a different nigga when he the lead ref.
[1:42:17] Speaker 6: Right?
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: Who, Tony? Yeah, he a different nigga when he the
[1:42:19] Speaker 1: lead rep.
[1:42:19] Speaker 6: He a bully when he the lead rep.
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: He a bully.
[1:42:22] Speaker 7: The only type of nigga Tony is, he either the
[1:42:25] Speaker 7: kitchen nigga or the living room nigga.
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: He is in the house. He's steaming, my boy. He's
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: one of them others. He's steaming, my boy. You gonna
[1:42:31] Speaker 1: do what we say. We're guarding it. You can lead
[1:42:33] Speaker 1: the cleanup crew all you want to, Tony. Hey, clean
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: it up. Clean it up.
[1:42:39] Speaker 7: But you're going to do what I say now. You're
[1:42:42] Speaker 7: going to do what I say. Oh, man, none of them.
[1:42:46] Speaker 7: Dave is the worst, too. Sneaky Dave. He's sneaky as hell. Yeah, no,
[1:42:49] Speaker 7: I think it's a good crew, man.
[1:42:50] Speaker 5: Being that Zach is the lead. Yeah, so, yeah. I
[1:42:58] Speaker 5: like it, man.
[1:42:59] Speaker 7: Them dudes just got to go out and play, man. Like,
[1:43:01] Speaker 7: there's been some questionable calls on both sides. But that
[1:43:04] Speaker 7: shit last game on Dort was egregious. That's definitely a foul.
[1:43:08] Speaker 7: Rick got the tech. Like, that shit was egregious. That
[1:43:10] Speaker 7: shit was definitely a foul. But overall, they got to
[1:43:15] Speaker 7: do their job. One team depends on how it go.
[1:43:19] Speaker 7: One team always going to be on the other side
[1:43:21] Speaker 7: of whatever call it is, man. But I think it's
[1:43:24] Speaker 7: a good crew.
[1:43:26] Speaker 6: Everybody else, y'all cool with the crew?
[1:43:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's going to rely on that.
[1:43:31] Speaker 1: They don't come out.
[1:43:34] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:43:34] Speaker 11: It's over.
[1:43:35] Speaker 1: So they better.
[1:43:36] Speaker 16: All right.
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[1:44:33] Speaker 4: the finals and Thunder and you, Norris.
[1:44:35] Speaker 2: Yes, so the Thunder are now one game away from
[1:44:38] Speaker 2: their first title since moving to OKC in 2008. Yesterday,
[1:44:42] Speaker 2: the league MVP was asked about what it meant to
[1:44:44] Speaker 2: be this close to winning it.
[1:44:46] Speaker 6: Here's what he had to say.
[1:44:48] Speaker 13: No, the cusp of winning is not winning. And the
[1:44:51] Speaker 13: way I see it, winning is all that matters. So
[1:44:53] Speaker 13: it hasn't been fulfilling. We haven't done anything the way
[1:44:56] Speaker 13: I see it. But I've built great friendships along the way.
[1:45:01] Speaker 13: I've had a lot of fun playing basketball, and I
[1:45:03] Speaker 13: think that's where you start. And the organization and the
[1:45:06] Speaker 13: guys around me have done a really good job of
[1:45:08] Speaker 13: building an environment that's fun to come to every day.
[1:45:12] Speaker 1: And really just focus on work and getting better. And
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: I think that's why we've made jumps.
[1:45:19] Speaker 2: So SGA got the potential game, clinching game coming up.
[1:45:23] Speaker 2: Do y'all like his mentality? Do y'all like what he said?
[1:45:26] Speaker 1: For sure.
[1:45:27] Speaker 12: I've been liking his mentality all year, even last year.
[1:45:31] Speaker 12: He's looked like he's been on a mission. And, you know,
[1:45:34] Speaker 12: the job is not finished. So, you know, he's not,
[1:45:38] Speaker 12: he's always been right there in.
[1:45:39] Speaker 11: The middle to me. So that's what I love about him.
[1:45:42] Speaker 1: And, you know, I.
[1:45:43] Speaker 11: Think he gets it done tonight.
[1:45:44] Speaker 10: And I just love the fact that, like, I would
[1:45:47] Speaker 10: have loved to play in an environment like that, like,
[1:45:49] Speaker 10: where you could be yourself and just everybody get along,
[1:45:53] Speaker 10: nobody fighting for, like, star power.
[1:45:56] Speaker 1: Everybody know their role. So I think that it's fun
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: to go to the arena every day, go to work. Yeah, man.
[1:46:03] Speaker 5: They going to get it done today.
[1:46:06] Speaker 6: Shaw, do you like his approach to the game?
[1:46:10] Speaker 1: Job's not done. Yeah.
[1:46:12] Speaker 6: Sounds like young Kobe, don't he?
[1:46:14] Speaker 1: Nah.
[1:46:14] Speaker 6: Okay, Mark.
[1:46:17] Speaker 7: Yeah, no, he's 100% correct. You're there, you're on the
[1:46:22] Speaker 7: doorstep of it, but he's been around this game and
[1:46:26] Speaker 7: seen history and know the strangest things, other things have happened.
[1:46:30] Speaker 5: You're on the other team's home floor.
[1:46:33] Speaker 7: So, no, you still got to be locked in, man,
[1:46:35] Speaker 7: for another 48 minutes, if nothing else, the two games. Yeah,
[1:46:41] Speaker 7: he understands what's at stake, so he'll be ready to play.
[1:46:44] Speaker 7: As far as him winning tonight, I don't know. Great chance, though.
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: For sure.
[1:46:50] Speaker 5: Especially Halliburton not right.
[1:46:53] Speaker 2: I like his approach to the night. We also got
[1:46:55] Speaker 2: All-NBA forward Jalen Williams. He's been compared to Scottie Pippen.
[1:46:59] Speaker 2: ESPN's Tim McMahon spoke to both Pippen and J-Dub about
[1:47:02] Speaker 2: this comparison, and here's what Scottie had to say. He
[1:47:07] Speaker 2: is pretty special. I'm enjoying watching him. I see a
[1:47:10] Speaker 2: lot of me in him for sure. If this kid
[1:47:13] Speaker 2: continues to shoot the three ball the way that he
[1:47:14] Speaker 2: shoots it, I'm not going to sit here and argue
[1:47:17] Speaker 2: with anybody and say that you can compare us.
[1:47:19] Speaker 6: But you can't. He wins.
[1:47:21] Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen on Jalen Williams via Tim McMahon.
[1:47:26] Speaker 6: Good quotes from the Hall of Famer. Y'all think it's
[1:47:28] Speaker 6: a fair comparison to calling him a young Scottie Pippen?
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: They're reaching.
[1:47:34] Speaker 10: It fits the mold right now, but I don't see
[1:47:38] Speaker 10: Scottie Pippen game, man, inside him. Just because you want
[1:47:42] Speaker 10: to make him a sidekick or make him whatever.
[1:47:44] Speaker 11: Like a support star?
[1:47:46] Speaker 10: Like a support star. You call him Scottie Pippen. He
[1:47:51] Speaker 10: seems like more of a scorer. Yeah, for sure. I've
[1:47:54] Speaker 10: never seen Scottie do... Scottie does some stuff now. He
[1:47:59] Speaker 10: has some shit.
[1:48:00] Speaker 5: Did this nigga just.
[1:48:01] Speaker 1: He ain't never did the one leg. Nigga wasn't around, nigga. Yeah.
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: Of course he didn't do it.
[1:48:07] Speaker 5: Scottie was hooping though. When Mike retired, Scottie was hooping.
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: J-Dub also had.
[1:48:20] Speaker 6: To answer the question they asked him, and this is
[1:48:21] Speaker 6: what J-Dub had to say about the comparison to Pippen.
[1:48:25] Speaker 6: I feel like a new age Scottie Pippen.
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: Maybe.
[1:48:28] Speaker 6: I'm not mad at that one at all.
[1:48:30] Speaker 11: I like that.
[1:48:31] Speaker 2: So young fella, he's embracing it. He's embracing being, you know,
[1:48:34] Speaker 2: I mean, who wouldn't want to be compared to a legend?
[1:48:36] Speaker 11: I mean, Scottie Pippen six times. Fifth pick in the,
[1:48:39] Speaker 11: you know, He did what he was supposed to do.
[1:48:41] Speaker 6: And he's well-respected.
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:48:42] Speaker 11: Well-respected.
[1:48:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:48:45] Speaker 2: So y'all don't think that it's blasphemy to be compared
[1:48:48] Speaker 2: to Pippen? Y'all cool with it?
[1:48:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm cool with it.
[1:48:52] Speaker 6: You're cool with it?
[1:48:53] Speaker 1: No, I think they eliminated him.
[1:48:55] Speaker 2: What about the defensive side of the ball? Because that's
[1:48:56] Speaker 2: really what they're talking about. He's a two-way player. Yeah,
[1:48:59] Speaker 2: and that's why I get it. Because he's a two-way player.
[1:49:02] Speaker 2: So I'm not mad at it at all. Scottie Pippen
[1:49:03] Speaker 2: played at a high level.
[1:49:06] Speaker 12: And to be on the side of Michael Jordan and playing,
[1:49:08] Speaker 12: I mean, you still did what you were supposed to do.
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: So.
[1:49:10] Speaker 3: Hey.
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: Shotty.
[1:49:14] Speaker 6: You fair?
[1:49:15] Speaker 1: Is it fair?
[1:49:15] Speaker 6: Fair or foul to compare J-Dub to Scotty?
[1:49:18] Speaker 14: I mean, we got to stand on the fact that
[1:49:19] Speaker 14: we've already talked about comparisons already.
[1:49:21] Speaker 1: Like, I remember shit, right? So we're not so... Is
[1:49:27] Speaker 1: it fair or foul? So I'm just saying. I don't
[1:49:30] Speaker 1: know if you was going to do that, but I'm...
[1:49:32] Speaker 1: He went to you first. I'm just saying. I'm like,
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: I'm like, shit. Like, nah, I mean.
[1:49:37] Speaker 5: I didn't want to interrupt.
[1:49:38] Speaker 1: Jalen can't be Jalen. That's good. That was a good one.
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: Jalen can't be Jalen, and once you compare him, he's limited.
[1:49:48] Speaker 7: Now he can't get outside of the Scottie Pippen box.
[1:49:51] Speaker 7: So if there was somebody better than Scottie that you
[1:49:53] Speaker 7: could compare him to, you'd be like, nah, you're stuck here.
[1:49:56] Speaker 1: We already compared you to Scottie.
[1:49:58] Speaker 6: You think that means he's stuck, though?
[1:49:59] Speaker 7: It don't mean nothing. Nothing I say mean nothing. But
[1:50:04] Speaker 7: at the end of the day.
[1:50:07] Speaker 14: If you can compare him to somebody and not allow
[1:50:10] Speaker 14: him to be and come into his own, he's never
[1:50:14] Speaker 14: going to be able to be like, yo, I'm just trying.
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: I'm trying to establish myself.
[1:50:19] Speaker 6: So you don't like the comparison?
[1:50:21] Speaker 1: You said nothing I say mean nothing.
[1:50:23] Speaker 5: Can I go? Are you done?
[1:50:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:50:26] Speaker 5: You sure? So let's change the word.
[1:50:32] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:50:32] Speaker 7: In this situation. Instead of compare, he reminds me. he
[1:50:41] Speaker 7: reminds me of a young Scottie Pippen his style is
[1:50:45] Speaker 7: like he reminds me of a young Scottie Pippen.
[1:50:49] Speaker 1: He's 24 years old.
[1:50:52] Speaker 7: Coming into his own all NBA all defensive NBA playing
[1:50:57] Speaker 7: for NBA championship right now at a very young age
[1:51:02] Speaker 7: when it's all said and done if he keeps getting
[1:51:04] Speaker 7: better like he has been the.
[1:51:05] Speaker 5: First few years and.
[1:51:08] Speaker 1: Let's, yes.
[1:51:09] Speaker 5: On that trajectory. One of the better, is it small forward,
[1:51:12] Speaker 5: small forward?
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: Wing.
[1:51:14] Speaker 7: He's a wing player, whatever he is right now. So, yeah, okay, cool.
[1:51:17] Speaker 7: Let him keep growing. But, okay, if you want to use,
[1:51:20] Speaker 7: he reminds me of a young Scottie Pippen.
[1:51:22] Speaker 13: Cool.
[1:51:23] Speaker 7: When you start comparing people to you guys, just Shah's
[1:51:27] Speaker 7: point just now, people tend to just keep him in
[1:51:31] Speaker 7: this Scottie Pippen box, right? When they talk about him,
[1:51:36] Speaker 7: he only Scott Pippen, but the fuck got six rings.
[1:51:38] Speaker 7: Let's stop with the... I'm just saying, he reminds me
[1:51:43] Speaker 7: of him. We talked about it yesterday, just the fucking comparison.
[1:51:47] Speaker 7: Every time somebody mentions someone great, everybody want to try
[1:51:52] Speaker 7: to poke holes in what this person did. instead of
[1:51:55] Speaker 7: just praising what the other person has done or is doing, right?
[1:51:59] Speaker 6: Do you think that it's not praise to compare him
[1:52:03] Speaker 6: to Scottie Pym?
[1:52:04] Speaker 11: Do you think that's an insult?
[1:52:05] Speaker 5: No, definitely don't think it's an insult, but people are,
[1:52:08] Speaker 5: in my opinion, the word is the problem, right?
[1:52:15] Speaker 6: When you start the comparison.
[1:52:17] Speaker 7: He reminds me of this. It's just so, if you
[1:52:20] Speaker 7: think back to, if you really... jog your memory and
[1:52:23] Speaker 7: go back and look at the way Scotty affected the
[1:52:26] Speaker 7: game and what he did. Then you start the conversation
[1:52:31] Speaker 7: on how they play the game and some similarities.
[1:52:34] Speaker 5: Okay, Scotty did this better.
[1:52:36] Speaker 7: So then you start really understanding who these people are
[1:52:40] Speaker 7: and what they mean to the game, to their team
[1:52:43] Speaker 7: and their individual growth and start putting people in these
[1:52:48] Speaker 7: boxes and And that's because it's unfair to the people
[1:52:52] Speaker 7: of past and the current players.
[1:52:55] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:52:55] Speaker 7: So let's go into this conversation because Kyrie Irving commented
[1:53:02] Speaker 7: on Jamal Tinsley's bag in comparison.
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: To his bag. Right. Right. So you look at the
[1:53:11] Speaker 1: initial comparison.
[1:53:13] Speaker 14: It's an automatic insult to whoever is being said not
[1:53:17] Speaker 14: to be the better guy.
[1:53:19] Speaker 1: Because you're comparing.
[1:53:21] Speaker 5: I like to see this.
[1:53:21] Speaker 14: I like to see a combination of a guy like
[1:53:25] Speaker 14: Kyrie Irving has a combination of, like he said, out
[1:53:27] Speaker 14: of his mouth. I got a little bit of Jamal Tinsley,
[1:53:30] Speaker 14: a little bit of Allen Iverson, a little bit of these,
[1:53:33] Speaker 14: Rod Strickland. I put all these guys into my game
[1:53:37] Speaker 14: so that I can evolve my own identity and say,
[1:53:40] Speaker 14: I got a little bit of all of this. I
[1:53:41] Speaker 14: see Jalen Williams as that type of player where he's
[1:53:44] Speaker 14: trying to create his own identity through little bits and
[1:53:47] Speaker 14: pieces of everybody else. that I never seen those other
[1:53:51] Speaker 14: guys that they comparing to do. Halfspin, halfspin, bop, bop, bop,
[1:53:54] Speaker 14: come out here, hit you with this, step back three.
[1:53:57] Speaker 14: Go out here, block the shot, come down. He got
[1:53:59] Speaker 14: a lot of shit in his game that a lot
[1:54:02] Speaker 14: of guys had but couldn't really take it to this level.
[1:54:06] Speaker 14: So if you don't compare him, you're actually giving him
[1:54:10] Speaker 14: more credit because he's becoming something we haven't seen before.
[1:54:13] Speaker 14: Like how Kawhi Leonard was coming up and he started
[1:54:16] Speaker 14: evolving and evolving. We're like, yo, This dude is really good.
[1:54:22] Speaker 14: But he wasn't doing anything different than what we've seen before.
[1:54:26] Speaker 14: Jamal Mashburn type shit. You know what I'm saying?
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: Like, he can get to his spots and get to.
[1:54:31] Speaker 14: We've seen it, but when you see it from a
[1:54:33] Speaker 14: standpoint of he's trying to make it his thing.
[1:54:35] Speaker 1: This is me.
[1:54:37] Speaker 7: Don't say I'm him. I've studied a little bit of him,
[1:54:40] Speaker 7: but this is my game.
[1:54:41] Speaker 1: I'm not pipping. Yeah, I'm not pipping. I like that
[1:54:44] Speaker 1: y'all get me this.
[1:54:46] Speaker 2: He said more of a new age. He showed respect
[1:54:49] Speaker 2: to the past, but he also stated his individualism.
[1:54:52] Speaker 5: At the same time. Because the game has evolved.
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: I appreciate him respecting that. He respected that.
[1:54:58] Speaker 14: So I'm thinking if you keep him in that box,
[1:55:01] Speaker 14: if he becomes better than Scottie Pippen, the reference would
[1:55:04] Speaker 14: be this is the new Scottie Pippen. That would, instead
[1:55:08] Speaker 14: of being the new Jalen Williams.
[1:55:09] Speaker 6: I think that if he did that, I think if
[1:55:11] Speaker 6: he did that, he would get his, get the new Jalen.
[1:55:13] Speaker 6: If he surpassed that.
[1:55:14] Speaker 5: They did Kawhi like that.
[1:55:16] Speaker 6: Yeah, they did Kawhi like that. They moved Kawhi out
[1:55:18] Speaker 6: of the Scottie Pippen box. They used to say he
[1:55:19] Speaker 6: was like Scottie Pippen. He would have to.
[1:55:21] Speaker 11: Yeah, Kawhi is the call now.
[1:55:23] Speaker 6: So, I like that you, you know, you don't like
[1:55:26] Speaker 6: to put people in the box.
[1:55:27] Speaker 1: I think it's respect though, at this stage.
[1:55:29] Speaker 6: To compare him or, like you said, he reminds you
[1:55:32] Speaker 6: of Scottie Pippen just from the role that he plays.
[1:55:34] Speaker 1: Oh, he's paying homage for sure. Yeah, so I, When
[1:55:37] Speaker 1: you play homage in.
[1:55:38] Speaker 14: A way where it's respectful and it's like, yo, this
[1:55:42] Speaker 14: is what the fans think.
[1:55:43] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It ain't got nothing to
[1:55:45] Speaker 1: do with me, but I respect it.
[1:55:47] Speaker 10: Are they just saying that because he's number two on
[1:55:49] Speaker 10: that team?
[1:55:50] Speaker 5: Yes.
[1:55:51] Speaker 6: That plays a part.
[1:55:52] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. He just plays a part. Yes. Well,
[1:55:55] Speaker 1: he's a two-way player like number two. And he's a
[1:55:57] Speaker 1: two-way player.
[1:55:58] Speaker 2: The style may not mimic Scottie, but the fact that
[1:56:00] Speaker 2: he's a two-way player and he's the second best player
[1:56:02] Speaker 2: on the championship team, that's the.
[1:56:04] Speaker 6: That's the moment.
[1:56:05] Speaker 1: So think about how limited that is. So he got
[1:56:08] Speaker 1: to be stuck. He got to be stuck at number two.
[1:56:10] Speaker 6: Why is it that he has to be stuck whereas
[1:56:12] Speaker 6: he's helping his team?
[1:56:14] Speaker 1: Because of the comparison. He's stuck because of the comparison.
[1:56:17] Speaker 7: The comparison is you're putting him at number two based
[1:56:19] Speaker 7: on comparing him to Mike and Scotty and their championships
[1:56:23] Speaker 7: and all that.
[1:56:24] Speaker 1: It's like he automatically got to be over here. He's
[1:56:26] Speaker 1: seen that.
[1:56:27] Speaker 10: He's seen the motherfucker get mad and get somebody traded
[1:56:31] Speaker 10: just to prove a point.
[1:56:33] Speaker 11: We have seen that.
[1:56:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[1:56:34] Speaker 6: He don't seem like he got the attitude yet, though.
[1:56:36] Speaker 6: Things can change. So, moving on.
[1:56:40] Speaker 2: The Thunder have outscored their opponents by a total of
[1:56:42] Speaker 2: 247 points at home in these playoffs. That's the largest
[1:56:47] Speaker 2: point differential in a single postseason. Now that they're on
[1:56:49] Speaker 2: the road, do you think they can continue this dominance
[1:56:52] Speaker 2: or will it be a closer game?
[1:56:53] Speaker 11: I don't know. We'll know in the first five minutes.
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: Okay, seeing six. It's going to.
[1:57:07] Speaker 5: Be a fourth quarter game, man. It's going to be
[1:57:10] Speaker 5: a fourth quarter game.
[1:57:11] Speaker 14: If we don't find no aggressors in the first five
[1:57:15] Speaker 14: minutes of Indiana, if we don't identify who's going to
[1:57:18] Speaker 14: be the guy that's going to take us all the
[1:57:19] Speaker 14: way down the stretch, it's over.
[1:57:21] Speaker 1: Ain't going to be no comeback hits.
[1:57:24] Speaker 6: If they smell blood tonight, okay, see, they going to finish.
[1:57:26] Speaker 7: We going to know exactly who to stop, who going to.
[1:57:28] Speaker 5: Man, we cut all their water off.
[1:57:30] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:57:30] Speaker 7: So, you got to be somebody that's going to be
[1:57:32] Speaker 7: unrelenting and is just going to.
[1:57:34] Speaker 14: Every possession, I'm coming at y'all no matter what. If
[1:57:37] Speaker 14: they don't have none of that, it's dead. But I
[1:57:41] Speaker 14: still got patience in seven.
[1:57:42] Speaker 10: There's nothing worse than getting a lot of confidence in
[1:57:45] Speaker 10: Jalen Williams.
[1:57:46] Speaker 6: I think if they smell blood tonight, it's going to be...
[1:57:48] Speaker 6: I think SGA and J. Will, if they sense.
[1:57:49] Speaker 1: What?
[1:57:50] Speaker 6: If they smell blood tonight, they're going to be like, so,
[1:57:52] Speaker 6: we're not going back.
[1:57:52] Speaker 1: They already like.
[1:57:53] Speaker 11: They go down 10, like Shai said.
[1:57:55] Speaker 14: Well, look, Tony Brothers is going to get up. He's
[1:57:57] Speaker 14: going to get that man that whistle tonight. So be
[1:57:59] Speaker 14: expected to see a lot of fouls.
[1:58:01] Speaker 5: No, he the man.
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: No, he the one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[1:58:04] Speaker 7: Tony Brothers the one the motherfucker looked the other way. Like,
[1:58:08] Speaker 7: he the motherfucker like, hey, got to play through that
[1:58:10] Speaker 7: young fella.
[1:58:12] Speaker 1: I can't help you tonight. What are you talking about?
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: I can't help you tonight, young fellas. That man give
[1:58:19] Speaker 1: you that look like he's saying something. You know his face.
[1:58:21] Speaker 1: I want to call it.
[1:58:22] Speaker 7: He ain't saying shit, but his face kind of look.
[1:58:26] Speaker 5: I want to call it.
[1:58:28] Speaker 1: Are you smiling or frowning, my nigga? I'm confused. I
[1:58:34] Speaker 1: am confused right now. Laugh a little bit. Let me
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: see you chuckle.
[1:58:39] Speaker 11: I like it.
[1:58:40] Speaker 6: Well, we're going to see. Moving on, though, NBA draft.
[1:58:44] Speaker 6: We were talking about the Sixers earlier.
[1:58:46] Speaker 2: Here's an interesting draft angle for them. They were supposed
[1:58:49] Speaker 2: to schedule a workout with Ace Bailey, but he canceled
[1:58:52] Speaker 2: the workout. We are less than one week away from
[1:58:54] Speaker 2: the NBA draft, and the Sixers have the third pick.
[1:58:57] Speaker 2: Rutgers star guard wing Ace Bailey has been third in
[1:59:02] Speaker 2: many people's draft boards. Do you think he can take
[1:59:05] Speaker 2: a slide from canceling workouts? Because this is not his
[1:59:08] Speaker 2: first time he's canceled a workout.
[1:59:10] Speaker 5: Absolutely. I'm not picking.
[1:59:14] Speaker 15: It.
[1:59:14] Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait. Can't depend on it. I thought you
[1:59:17] Speaker 1: said you didn't work out.
[1:59:18] Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead.
[1:59:20] Speaker 2: Last night, ESPN draft expert Jonathan Giovanni, he had this
[1:59:24] Speaker 2: report to say about Bailey. Record star Ace Bailey has
[1:59:28] Speaker 2: canceled his workout with the Philadelphia 76ers, sources told ESPN.
[1:59:32] Speaker 2: Bailey remains the only U.S.-based prospect yet to visit any
[1:59:36] Speaker 2: NBA teams. The Sixers have not ruled out selecting Bailey,
[1:59:39] Speaker 2: sources say.
[1:59:45] Speaker 4: So Bailey, yeah, he's declined to work out with any
[1:59:49] Speaker 4: teams in his draft range, which is expected to be
[1:59:51] Speaker 4: somewhere between three and eight. And the report also says
[1:59:54] Speaker 4: that Bailey's camps made it known that they feel he's
[1:59:57] Speaker 4: a top three talent and they're seeking ample minutes and
[2:00:00] Speaker 4: a path to stardom from whoever selects him. Right now,
[2:00:04] Speaker 4: he's six on the draft board. He's been third a
[2:00:07] Speaker 4: lot of the way.
[2:00:08] Speaker 6: So what do you make of how Ace Bailey's camp
[2:00:10] Speaker 6: is handling this pre-draft process?
[2:00:12] Speaker 5: What the fuck is up with this entitled shit, man?
[2:00:14] Speaker 11: Yeah, like who do they think they are?
[2:00:15] Speaker 1: Like... Who do they think they are?
[2:00:18] Speaker 6: We just saw what they did.
[2:00:19] Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey. Come on now.
[2:00:21] Speaker 5: It's not the NFL, though, but.
[2:00:23] Speaker 1: Huh? Y'all been there. Know who? Been where?
[2:00:25] Speaker 6: I ain't never been entitled.
[2:00:26] Speaker 5: Been where?
[2:00:28] Speaker 6: Been entitled?
[2:00:28] Speaker 1: How many teams you work out for? One. My point exactly.
[2:00:33] Speaker 6: No, but he actually worked out, though.
[2:00:35] Speaker 5: I told you what I did yesterday.
[2:00:35] Speaker 1: And what did you do, motherfucker? I went number one.
[2:00:38] Speaker 1: But what did you do? Like, shit.
[2:00:39] Speaker 5: I went number one.
[2:00:40] Speaker 1: But what did you do? You said you ran and
[2:00:42] Speaker 1: jumped and set my ass down.
[2:00:44] Speaker 5: Because if I didn't go one, guess where I was going?
[2:00:46] Speaker 5: I had already got promises I was going two.
[2:00:48] Speaker 1: So... You probably got the same thing.
[2:00:50] Speaker 5: Right now, listen. Stu Jackson, Vancouver Grizzlies steal before they
[2:00:54] Speaker 5: move to Memphis. Stu's exact words was, if the Nets
[2:00:57] Speaker 5: do something stupid... By not drafting you one, you won't
[2:01:02] Speaker 5: get past us at two. I promise you that.
[2:01:05] Speaker 11: So you think he got a better opportunity?
[2:01:07] Speaker 6: You think he's getting promises?
[2:01:08] Speaker 1: No, sure.
[2:01:09] Speaker 5: Hell no.
[2:01:10] Speaker 10: He knows he's not going past five or six. Like,
[2:01:15] Speaker 10: come on, man.
[2:01:16] Speaker 6: What you think, BJ? You think his team is going
[2:01:19] Speaker 6: about the right way?
[2:01:20] Speaker 1: No.
[2:01:21] Speaker 11: No, because, I mean, you ain't met with no teams yet,
[2:01:23] Speaker 11: so we don't know nothing about you.
[2:01:25] Speaker 1: Huh? What you need to know? All right. Can we
[2:01:29] Speaker 1: meet you? Hello? No, you can't meet me. I'm number one.
[2:01:33] Speaker 6: Are you a LeBron talent?
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: Yes. Are you a Shaquille O'Neal talent? I'm everything you
[2:01:40] Speaker 1: didn't see on national TV. Man. I'm everything you did
[2:01:44] Speaker 1: not see.
[2:01:44] Speaker 11: I ain't never heard no shit like that. You don't
[2:01:47] Speaker 11: meet with no team.
[2:01:48] Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, we heard that.
[2:01:50] Speaker 2: I mean, even Kyrie worked out for the Cavaliers that
[2:01:52] Speaker 2: one time.
[2:01:54] Speaker 1: He worked in, man. Rebound. At least he worked out.
[2:01:58] Speaker 1: He worked out, though. He still got to know who
[2:02:01] Speaker 1: he is.
[2:02:01] Speaker 7: Man, that ain't no workout, man. That's a layup. He
[2:02:05] Speaker 7: projected one three. He know where he want to go.
[2:02:07] Speaker 1: Think about it. Who got the third pick?
[2:02:10] Speaker 5: Philly.
[2:02:10] Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Philly? Who the second pick?
[2:02:14] Speaker 6: San Antonio.
[2:02:15] Speaker 1: I don't want to go there either. So where do
[2:02:17] Speaker 1: you think you're going? I don't want to pick where
[2:02:18] Speaker 1: I want to go.
[2:02:19] Speaker 5: Oh, your fault.
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: Who got number four? Bronny got to pick where he
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: want to go. I can't pick where I want to go?
[2:02:26] Speaker 3: Charlotte.
[2:02:27] Speaker 6: He don't want to go there.
[2:02:29] Speaker 1: Brandon Miller there. Utah. Utah. That's the quickest way to
[2:02:33] Speaker 1: start him. Perfect. Perfect.
[2:02:38] Speaker 5: Perfect.
[2:02:41] Speaker 14: If you're a team, you know you can catch that.
[2:02:43] Speaker 14: They're going to let that fall and drive.
[2:02:47] Speaker 7: That would be perfect. How Imani Bates dropped so far.
[2:02:50] Speaker 7: He's still out there looking like he's a hidden gem.
[2:02:54] Speaker 7: Call and catch him. If you're smart, some guys are
[2:02:57] Speaker 7: just that good. They ain't getting an opportunity.
[2:03:00] Speaker 6: How important is the pre-draft process and the visits and
[2:03:02] Speaker 6: the workouts?
[2:03:03] Speaker 7: If you don't want to get on the floor, you
[2:03:05] Speaker 7: got to at least go let these team ladies eyes
[2:03:07] Speaker 7: on you.
[2:03:08] Speaker 1: That's all.
[2:03:09] Speaker 7: I got tape. I got tape from Rutgers. I got
[2:03:13] Speaker 7: tape from Rutgers. You got all that tape? You don't
[2:03:15] Speaker 7: see all that tape yet?
[2:03:16] Speaker 6: You definitely got to go visit.
[2:03:17] Speaker 1: You ain't see all that tape? No.
[2:03:18] Speaker 5: I'm invested.
[2:03:19] Speaker 1: I'm invested millions. You got to go say what. Hey,
[2:03:22] Speaker 1: Brazilians ain't work out for no teams. He definitely talked
[2:03:27] Speaker 1: to him, though. He didn't work out for no team.
[2:03:29] Speaker 6: He didn't work out for no team.
[2:03:30] Speaker 1: He ain't working with no number one pick. None of that.
[2:03:32] Speaker 1: He didn't work out with no team.
[2:03:33] Speaker 7: I didn't have to work out. I only worked out
[2:03:36] Speaker 7: because I was coming off of an injury.
[2:03:38] Speaker 5: Trust me. Had I not been coming off of injury,
[2:03:41] Speaker 5: would nobody going to get to see me. Trust me.
[2:03:43] Speaker 6: But you would have talked to him, though.
[2:03:44] Speaker 5: I would have went to visit, but I wasn't working out.
[2:03:46] Speaker 5: Not at all.
[2:03:46] Speaker 1: Of course, for the business. If I was healthy... Man,
[2:03:49] Speaker 1: I wasn't playing in summer league. I wasn't doing none
[2:03:52] Speaker 1: of the above, bro. Thank you. After getting drafted, I
[2:03:54] Speaker 1: wasn't doing none of that. Thank you.
[2:03:59] Speaker 6: But he still would.
[2:04:00] Speaker 11: Have visited, though.
[2:04:02] Speaker 5: He hasn't visited. I went to Orlando to visit. I
[2:04:05] Speaker 5: went to Vancouver to visit.
[2:04:07] Speaker 1: I didn't work.
[2:04:08] Speaker 5: I didn't touch the floor. I only did that for
[2:04:11] Speaker 5: the Nets because they said we want to see him
[2:04:12] Speaker 5: run and jump.
[2:04:13] Speaker 1: I did exactly that.
[2:04:16] Speaker 5: I was literally.
[2:04:17] Speaker 1: So, no visit? So, you're also saying no visit at all?
[2:04:22] Speaker 1: You want to see me run and jump? I run
[2:04:24] Speaker 1: and I jump and I sit my ass down.
[2:04:26] Speaker 5: I was going too if they didn't pick me.
[2:04:28] Speaker 1: He know where he ain't going. He don't know where
[2:04:30] Speaker 1: he's going. He definitely know where he's going. Just like
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: you knew he was going. He know where he's going.
[2:04:36] Speaker 1: No team has met with him. There's no difference, bro.
[2:04:38] Speaker 5: There's a big difference.
[2:04:39] Speaker 1: No, it's not.
[2:04:39] Speaker 14: It's the same conversation. Bro, you're going to go one
[2:04:42] Speaker 14: or two since it's.
[2:04:43] Speaker 2: National player of the year.
[2:04:45] Speaker 5: Exactly.
[2:04:46] Speaker 7: This is not the same time. It is the same time.
[2:04:50] Speaker 7: He was the number one. But people didn't think he
[2:04:52] Speaker 7: was going to get drafted.
[2:04:54] Speaker 1: Number one. He was two-time player. Nobody thought Zach was
[2:04:57] Speaker 1: going nine. Let's not do that.
[2:04:58] Speaker 3: He didn't go one.
[2:05:00] Speaker 1: He didn't.
[2:05:00] Speaker 3: I like him.
[2:05:01] Speaker 1: I like him.
[2:05:02] Speaker 5: He was going nine.
[2:05:08] Speaker 1: I did. I thought he was going to win number one, two,
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: or three.
[2:05:11] Speaker 6: He was on the EDT track.
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: I was as well, but because of what he did
[2:05:14] Speaker 1: in college. I'm the one that said he.
[2:05:15] Speaker 5: Was ready to play right now.
[2:05:16] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[2:05:17] Speaker 5: But if don't nobody meet with you, don't nobody talk
[2:05:20] Speaker 5: to you, ain't nobody.
[2:05:21] Speaker 1: That's one thing. That's all I'm saying. You don't have
[2:05:23] Speaker 1: to get on the floor.
[2:05:23] Speaker 5: You ain't got to do none of that shit.
[2:05:25] Speaker 6: You got to meet with him, bro.
[2:05:26] Speaker 1: No.
[2:05:26] Speaker 7: Because you were already thinking again. No, you taking chances
[2:05:32] Speaker 7: already on just blind theory so now you gotta pick
[2:05:36] Speaker 7: me you'll meet me when you Never.
[2:05:37] Speaker 1: Got picked my team you never met with guys who
[2:05:39] Speaker 1: got picked my team they did not meet no because
[2:05:42] Speaker 1: I No, not top five.
[2:05:51] Speaker 6: I've never seen a top five do it.
[2:05:52] Speaker 1: Not that shit? No, even going overseas. We got to
[2:05:55] Speaker 1: give them a Zoom or something. I'm not just going
[2:05:57] Speaker 1: to a different country. What did he do? Like, I
[2:05:59] Speaker 1: got to know what I'm doing.
[2:06:00] Speaker 5: What did he do?
[2:06:02] Speaker 1: What did he do? I don't want to.
[2:06:04] Speaker 7: Go to fucking Milwaukee.
[2:06:06] Speaker 5: Hold on a second. Was there an interview scheduled with,
[2:06:09] Speaker 5: I mean, was there something scheduled with Philly and he cancels?
[2:06:13] Speaker 4: That's correct.
[2:06:13] Speaker 5: So that's a problem in itself. You don't want to
[2:06:15] Speaker 5: go there. Now scheduling and then canceling. If you didn't
[2:06:18] Speaker 5: schedule it from the beginning, that's one thing. Now, you
[2:06:22] Speaker 5: have something scheduled and you cancel it. I'm not picking
[2:06:25] Speaker 5: you with a third person. I can't trust you.
[2:06:26] Speaker 1: Because you're talking about running it back.
[2:06:27] Speaker 5: I can't trust you.
[2:06:28] Speaker 1: You running it back. I don't even know you. Where
[2:06:31] Speaker 1: I fit in that? I don't even know. I'm not
[2:06:34] Speaker 1: picking you. So we acting like this don't happen at all? Yeah.
[2:06:39] Speaker 1: This happens where I don't want to go here. That's cool.
[2:06:41] Speaker 1: Don't pick me. That's cool. Don't pick me. They ask
[2:06:44] Speaker 1: me is it okay, though.
[2:06:46] Speaker 2: Just because somebody did it don't mean it's okay.
[2:06:48] Speaker 1: But he is okay. Did he, for instance, say he
[2:06:50] Speaker 1: didn't want to go somewhere? Yeah. Ronnie James, don't pick me.
[2:06:53] Speaker 1: I'm not coming here.
[2:06:54] Speaker 5: Here we go.
[2:06:55] Speaker 1: But did they meet, though? Don't matter about me.
[2:06:59] Speaker 7: Don't pick me. I'm not showing up. If you pick me,
[2:07:01] Speaker 7: I don't want to go to your team. It's happened
[2:07:04] Speaker 7: so many times.
[2:07:05] Speaker 1: Who's his representation?
[2:07:07] Speaker 5: Swing back, dog.
[2:07:08] Speaker 6: Who's his representation? Who's Ace Bailey's representation?
[2:07:14] Speaker 5: Listen, if I'm Philly, I'm not picking him third. If one,
[2:07:16] Speaker 5: I don't need him. If two, I don't know him.
[2:07:19] Speaker 5: I don't know you and I don't need your talent.
[2:07:23] Speaker 10: So That's a little pg-13 over there ace Bailey Are
[2:07:25] Speaker 10: you good enough to not to meet with no team
[2:07:26] Speaker 10: and just show up at the drive everybody else go
[2:07:29] Speaker 10: meet with.
[2:07:45] Speaker 5: The team that he was supposed to meet, that he
[2:07:47] Speaker 5: scheduled with.
[2:07:48] Speaker 1: Who did he meet with? And how do we know it? Right?
[2:07:50] Speaker 6: And you say he's the number one?
[2:07:51] Speaker 1: Who did he meet with?
[2:07:51] Speaker 6: He's the only U.S.-born player that hasn't met with the team.
[2:07:53] Speaker 5: That was.
[2:07:58] Speaker 1: Yep.
[2:07:59] Speaker 15: Aww.
[2:08:00] Speaker 1: No, who?
[2:08:01] Speaker 5: Bad business. Bad business.
[2:08:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, man. Bad business. Okay, it's making sense now.
[2:08:08] Speaker 5: He was nice, an undersized guard and all that. He
[2:08:10] Speaker 5: was a really good high school guard.
[2:08:12] Speaker 6: He went to the same high school, too.
[2:08:14] Speaker 1: I get it.
[2:08:15] Speaker 5: But what's wrong with it? What's wrong with it?
[2:08:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:08:18] Speaker 5: It's bad advice.
[2:08:19] Speaker 1: What's bad advice?
[2:08:20] Speaker 5: It's bad advice, man.
[2:08:22] Speaker 1: Telling your client, don't go meet your team. We're not
[2:08:24] Speaker 1: going past five or six. We don't want to work
[2:08:28] Speaker 1: out cool, but not to go meet is crazy. Y'all
[2:08:30] Speaker 1: are tripping.
[2:08:31] Speaker 14: You don't think that AJ is... We got a job
[2:08:35] Speaker 14: and didn't go do it. You put a job. The
[2:08:38] Speaker 14: guy that got the guy on the phone and said, listen,
[2:08:41] Speaker 14: We guaranteed this spot. We don't got to go do
[2:08:43] Speaker 14: none of that. The same thing he just.
[2:08:45] Speaker 1: Said about, look, if you stick to number two, we
[2:08:48] Speaker 1: got you. Because he met with them. So did you?
[2:08:51] Speaker 14: You don't have to meet when you know what your
[2:08:53] Speaker 14: time is. Like, yo, if you don't get me at
[2:08:56] Speaker 14: top three, I'm going to slide and anybody going to
[2:08:58] Speaker 14: pick me up.
[2:08:58] Speaker 1: It's going to be a gift for them. I'm a
[2:09:00] Speaker 1: gift for whoever picked me up. So if you were
[2:09:04] Speaker 1: in the front office, huh? Did you go meet with
[2:09:06] Speaker 1: Detroit before you signed? Yeah. They called you?
[2:09:09] Speaker 11: Yep, I talked to them, yep.
[2:09:10] Speaker 2: So if you was a front office person, would you
[2:09:12] Speaker 2: pass on a player who decided not to work out
[2:09:14] Speaker 2: with you before the draft?
[2:09:16] Speaker 1: It's not personal. Yeah, for sure. You just let me
[2:09:19] Speaker 1: know you don't really want to be here. No, it's
[2:09:21] Speaker 1: not personal.
[2:09:22] Speaker 6: I would say it depends on the talent. It ain't
[2:09:23] Speaker 6: personal business.
[2:09:24] Speaker 1: It's business, man. It's draft stock. It's draft stock. It's leverage.
[2:09:28] Speaker 1: It's business. It's business.
[2:09:29] Speaker 7: If you don't want to be with me tonight, I'm
[2:09:31] Speaker 7: not going to let you know that.
[2:09:33] Speaker 1: We're going to kill the talent. For me, it would
[2:09:36] Speaker 1: depend on the talent. Is this like a phenom, like
[2:09:38] Speaker 1: a Shaq or LeBron?
[2:09:39] Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't think Ace Bailey is that, though.
[2:09:41] Speaker 1: They still need it.
[2:09:42] Speaker 6: So, therefore, I wouldn't do that.
[2:09:43] Speaker 5: So, what is it? So, therefore.
[2:09:44] Speaker 1: Why is it draft good? Cooper is that. Why is
[2:09:46] Speaker 1: it draft good? You think he is that. Why is
[2:09:48] Speaker 1: it draft good? You think that. No.
[2:09:51] Speaker 2: I think he's the consistent number one for this draft.
[2:09:55] Speaker 1: Number one shit is weak. Yeah, for sure.
[2:09:59] Speaker 11: Come on, man.
[2:09:59] Speaker 14: Everybody is weak with teams. It's up for discussion. It's
[2:10:02] Speaker 14: up for discussion. They just said Zach Eady. Zach Eady, oh,
[2:10:06] Speaker 14: he ain't number one. It's up for discussion.
[2:10:08] Speaker 5: So why didn't Zach Eady go number one? Because the
[2:10:10] Speaker 5: team didn't want him. They went another route.
[2:10:13] Speaker 7: So does consistent number one mean you're the number one,
[2:10:15] Speaker 7: you're the best player?
[2:10:15] Speaker 1: When you say consistent number one, you mean consistent number
[2:10:18] Speaker 1: one draft or in college? Does it mean that? College.
[2:10:21] Speaker 1: College consensus. Well, they talking about the NBA.
[2:10:23] Speaker 6: They talking about consensus on the NBA.
[2:10:25] Speaker 5: Was Zach Eady the best player in college basketball?
[2:10:27] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Two years in a row. But he wasn't
[2:10:29] Speaker 1: the consensus number one on the draft. In the draft.
[2:10:32] Speaker 1: If Memphis would have had the number one pick, they
[2:10:33] Speaker 1: would have picked him. They didn't. Why didn't he go
[2:10:35] Speaker 1: number one?
[2:10:36] Speaker 7: Number one, he was the undisputed consensus. That means no
[2:10:39] Speaker 7: matter who is available, you're going to pick Zach Heaney.
[2:10:42] Speaker 1: No, he wasn't number one consensus on NBA draft boards.
[2:10:46] Speaker 6: He was the number one college basketball player.
[2:10:47] Speaker 1: He wasn't number one consensus on NBA draft boards. Let's
[2:10:51] Speaker 1: not do that, bro.
[2:10:53] Speaker 5: He's the best player in college basketball. We do know that. Absolutely.
[2:10:58] Speaker 5: The Hawks had the first pick, correct?
[2:10:59] Speaker 1: Yep.
[2:11:01] Speaker 5: Last year.
[2:11:02] Speaker 1: Yes.
[2:11:02] Speaker 5: Then the Wizards.
[2:11:04] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Right? Yep.
[2:11:05] Speaker 7: They chose to go with the guy they went with.
[2:11:07] Speaker 7: That's their fucking preference. They picked the guy that they
[2:11:11] Speaker 7: wanted in that spot. Like, when I was the judge,
[2:11:15] Speaker 7: I can only go on what I'm telling. Listen, I'm
[2:11:18] Speaker 7: coming out. There was talk they was going to pick
[2:11:20] Speaker 7: Derrick Smith. I said, pick him.
[2:11:22] Speaker 1: Please. Please pick him. You know what I mean?
[2:11:27] Speaker 5: Yeah, I want, please pick him. I saw him work
[2:11:30] Speaker 5: out in Orlando.
[2:11:32] Speaker 1: We was in the building at the same time.
[2:11:34] Speaker 5: I saw him work out in Orlando. He's still trying
[2:11:36] Speaker 5: to make fire from the corner. You don't think Ace
[2:11:38] Speaker 5: said the same shit?
[2:11:40] Speaker 1: Please pick me. Please pick them in front of me, man.
[2:11:42] Speaker 1: I'm with it. What are we saying? Cool. But I
[2:11:46] Speaker 1: met with him.
[2:11:47] Speaker 5: That's the difference.
[2:11:49] Speaker 1: That's the whole thing we keep missing. We met with
[2:11:52] Speaker 1: the team. So at the end of the day, they
[2:11:54] Speaker 1: know who Kenyon is. They know about everything. I met you.
[2:11:58] Speaker 1: I got to see you in real time. The tape
[2:12:00] Speaker 1: is cool. I don't know who he.
[2:12:01] Speaker 14: Is because If I don't know you and I'm giving
[2:12:05] Speaker 14: you money and investment, I got to meet with you.
[2:12:07] Speaker 1: This is a business. To your point, the tape is
[2:12:09] Speaker 1: what it is, right? It's people that tell teens not
[2:12:10] Speaker 1: to pick them, though. It's cool.
[2:12:12] Speaker 7: It's people that tell teens not to pick them.
[2:12:15] Speaker 1: They definitely do. I found that out.
[2:12:17] Speaker 7: That's fine, but you still got to meet with somebody.
[2:12:19] Speaker 5: But you still got to show. It's a different age, man.
[2:12:22] Speaker 6: We're going to have to agree or disagree on this.
[2:12:24] Speaker 5: It's a different age.
[2:12:26] Speaker 1: Man, listen, any job. I'm not going to do a
[2:12:29] Speaker 1: job interview. I'm with you. I'm not just hiring somebody
[2:12:32] Speaker 1: and don't know who they are. Yes, you are. Yes,
[2:12:33] Speaker 1: you are.
[2:12:34] Speaker 5: No, I'm not.
[2:12:34] Speaker 1: You do it with Uber all the time.
[2:12:36] Speaker 11: No, I don't.
[2:12:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Do it with Uber. Yeah. He said do
[2:12:39] Speaker 1: it with Uber. Yeah. Uber. Uber. Uber. Uber. Take me here,
[2:12:43] Speaker 1: guy I don't know. Take me here, guy I don't know. Uber.
[2:12:46] Speaker 1: Deliver my food. That one didn't.
[2:12:48] Speaker 5: Make sense whatsoever, Rashad. You reaching, bro. You reaching.
[2:12:52] Speaker 1: It don't make no sense. It don't make no sense.
[2:12:54] Speaker 5: Now we're talking about a million dollar basketball player.
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: That you gotta trust. That you gotta trust. That you
[2:13:01] Speaker 1: gotta trust. That you gotta trust. That you gotta trust.
[2:13:05] Speaker 1: It's over.
[2:13:06] Speaker 6: So you don't know where I'm at.
[2:13:09] Speaker 1: You can't find out nothing about me. You can't find
[2:13:11] Speaker 1: out nothing about me. You can't call my coach. You
[2:13:14] Speaker 1: don't know what they do? Don't they do background checks?
[2:13:16] Speaker 1: Don't they do all that shit? You ain't even mad
[2:13:20] Speaker 1: with me. You ain't even mad with me. And then
[2:13:22] Speaker 1: you meet with me. And you go with their assessment anyway.
[2:13:24] Speaker 7: You meet with me and you're like, well, I'm going
[2:13:26] Speaker 7: to believe what they said about me.
[2:13:28] Speaker 1: Well, now they got to believe it 100% now because
[2:13:30] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[2:13:31] Speaker 5: I ain't met with you.
[2:13:31] Speaker 1: So whatever they say, I'm going with it. Take a chance.
[2:13:34] Speaker 1: So should the Sixers take him? Yes or no?
[2:13:37] Speaker 5: Who?
[2:13:37] Speaker 1: No? The Sixers take him? No. No? Who? Okay. No.
[2:13:43] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[2:13:44] Speaker 5: I don't know you.
[2:13:46] Speaker 7: Look, hey, we're not trusting that process anyway. Nigga, if
[2:13:51] Speaker 7: y'all can pass, please.
[2:13:54] Speaker 1: Pass the piece.
[2:13:54] Speaker 5: Well, guess what?
[2:13:55] Speaker 7: They are definitely making it easy on teams to pass
[2:13:57] Speaker 7: on them.
[2:13:58] Speaker 1: For damn sure.
[2:14:00] Speaker 5: That I do know.
[2:14:02] Speaker 10: Chat GBT, should we take Ace Bailey?
[2:14:04] Speaker 1: Steve, Steve, thank you. We're going to move on to
[2:14:07] Speaker 1: the next question. Mostly fans. Who you going to take over?
[2:14:13] Speaker 4: Who should we take over?
[2:14:16] Speaker 1: We'll take nobody. Nobody.
[2:14:18] Speaker 5: They'll find somebody, trust me.
[2:14:25] Speaker 4: First question from H-TownCloud99. Did the Rockets make the right
[2:14:28] Speaker 4: move by locking up Ime Udoka?
[2:14:30] Speaker 11: It's a long-term deal.
[2:14:31] Speaker 1: Yes.
[2:14:33] Speaker 6: The deal reportedly makes him one of the highest paid
[2:14:35] Speaker 6: in the NBA.
[2:14:36] Speaker 1: Yes. He got his face back. Man. Does this make.
[2:14:40] Speaker 4: Them more or less likely to get KD also?
[2:14:43] Speaker 12: Less.
[2:14:45] Speaker 11: He lost me alone.
[2:14:46] Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if he's going to try to
[2:14:47] Speaker 6: get KD.
[2:14:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know, man.
[2:14:51] Speaker 7: Like I said, KD is a plug-and-play player. So if
[2:14:53] Speaker 7: he goes there, you know what you're going to get.
[2:14:55] Speaker 7: If he goes elsewhere, you know what he's going to get.
[2:14:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be nice.
[2:14:58] Speaker 7: But that's good for M.A. Docher, man, and the Rockets
[2:15:00] Speaker 7: organization moving forward. You've got a coach who you know
[2:15:02] Speaker 7: what he's built on. He's going to hold his players accountable.
[2:15:06] Speaker 7: And we'll see what the future holds for him.
[2:15:08] Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
[2:15:08] Speaker 11: Yep.
[2:15:11] Speaker 4: The Knicks helped him get this money by trying to
[2:15:13] Speaker 4: speak to him.
[2:15:14] Speaker 5: Say it again now?
[2:15:14] Speaker 4: Do you think the Knicks helped him get this money?
[2:15:16] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Indirectly.
[2:15:18] Speaker 11: Absolutely.
[2:15:19] Speaker 7: There was a lot of women that got married when
[2:15:21] Speaker 7: somebody else wanted to trust them.
[2:15:23] Speaker 5: Listen.
[2:15:25] Speaker 7: A whole lot of chicks got a ring because they
[2:15:29] Speaker 7: thought some other niggas wanted her.
[2:15:30] Speaker 1: Trust me.
[2:15:31] Speaker 5: They jumped in that fray. I'm just saying, bro.
[2:15:36] Speaker 1: It's true. It's the same situation. It is.
[2:15:40] Speaker 7: Same shit with Jay Wright at Villanova.
[2:15:44] Speaker 1: Wait till they find out. His name was out there
[2:15:47] Speaker 1: in college. Wait till they find out. I was in
[2:15:50] Speaker 1: there too. It was me too.
[2:15:50] Speaker 7: Wait till they find out I'm part of that too.
[2:15:52] Speaker 7: Hopping on that bandwagon. Make motherfuckers get desperate, bruh. This
[2:16:04] Speaker 7: is what the Knicks did. This is a good decision, though.
[2:16:06] Speaker 1: Knicks said, I'm going to go fuck up the market.
[2:16:08] Speaker 7: Let's go ask all the coaches who might not have
[2:16:15] Speaker 7: some sturdy levers in their organization. Hey, what you doing
[2:16:19] Speaker 7: over there emailing them?
[2:16:20] Speaker 1: What y'all doing? You going to stay with them? Okay, cool.
[2:16:24] Speaker 1: They declined. They declined, too. Everyone, oh, say, they got
[2:16:29] Speaker 1: to re-up these guys.
[2:16:31] Speaker 11: Yeah.
[2:16:31] Speaker 1: Y'all not looking for nothing new.
[2:16:32] Speaker 5: Let's get to the talking.
[2:16:33] Speaker 1: Let's get to the talking this bread. Bread talk coming soon.
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: What do we got, Steve? What's next?
[2:16:43] Speaker 4: Next question is from Thunderfan2 on the verge of potentially
[2:16:46] Speaker 4: winning a title. Give me your OKC all-time starting five.
[2:16:52] Speaker 1: Is that including Seattle?
[2:16:53] Speaker 6: Can we include Seattle?
[2:16:54] Speaker 3: No.
[2:16:55] Speaker 1: Oh, OK.
[2:16:57] Speaker 5: They been there for 12 years.
[2:16:59] Speaker 1: KD.
[2:17:00] Speaker 3: 17.
[2:17:02] Speaker 5: That too.
[2:17:02] Speaker 1: KD, SGA, Russ. Teens.
[2:17:06] Speaker 6: Harden.
[2:17:11] Speaker 10: I'm going Jalen Williams, SGA, Russ, James, KD.
[2:17:23] Speaker 6: Small ball.
[2:17:24] Speaker 1: KD to five. Yeah, that's Nah, man. Hell nah. I
[2:17:31] Speaker 1: got to throw Big Perk in there, man. All time.
[2:17:36] Speaker 1: I feel it.
[2:17:37] Speaker 11: All time.
[2:17:37] Speaker 6: So, KD, Russ, SGA, Harden, and Perk.
[2:17:43] Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, I'm going with Steven Adams. You're going with
[2:17:48] Speaker 1: Steven Adams? No, no, no, no, no. no. I didn't
[2:17:50] Speaker 1: say no to you like that. Big Perk go get
[2:17:52] Speaker 1: him work, man.
[2:17:55] Speaker 5: All time. KD Russ. Shea's the MVP. Carmelo Anthony.
[2:18:05] Speaker 1: Carmelo. And....
[2:18:09] Speaker 5: Paul George.
[2:18:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say Paul George.
[2:18:12] Speaker 6: I forgot about Paul George.
[2:18:14] Speaker 1: Paul George had his best year. I forgot about that.
[2:18:19] Speaker 6: I'm going to have to go back on mine.
[2:18:21] Speaker 11: Yeah, that was a good one.
[2:18:22] Speaker 6: KD, Paul George, Russ, SGA, and I'm going Ibaka.
[2:18:29] Speaker 11: Just for five.
[2:18:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go Ibaka too. I'm going to
[2:18:32] Speaker 1: stick with mine. Perk, set that screen, baby. All right.
[2:18:40] Speaker 5: Five out.
[2:18:40] Speaker 1: All right.
[2:18:41] Speaker 5: Five out.
[2:18:42] Speaker 2: Thanks for watching, everyone. This wraps up another episode of
[2:18:45] Speaker 2: Gil's Arena, represented by Underdog.
[2:18:47] Speaker 1: Woo, woo.
[2:18:50] Speaker 5: Yo, what? What happened to OnlyFans? We just did mostly.
[2:18:55] Speaker 1: That was it? Yeah. That was it.
[2:18:56] Speaker 6: We out, baby.

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