# Knicks STEALING Game 1 in San Antonio STUNS The Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 4 Jun 2026, 2 h 01 min.

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Knicks STEALING Game 1 in San Antonio STUNS The Arena as The Arena reacts to Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks taking care of the San Antonio Spurs in the 2nd half of Game 1 to steal home court advantage as Victor Wembanyama and Rashad McCant's Spurs could not get anything going offensively in the 2nd half which led to the Spurs dropping their first Game 1 NBA Finals loss in franchise History. They also react to the performance of Jalen Brunson who once again proved that he can be a Number 1 guy on a championship team, leading the Knicks with 30 points as well as multiple clutch buckets in crunch time. Should the Knicks be favored to win the NBA Finals after their stunning game 1 victory? Last, the crew reacts to Golden State Warriors star Stephen Curry who recently ended his sneaker free agency and took his Curry brand talents to Li-Ning on a 10-year deal. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Skip Bayless, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin, Brandon Jennings, Rashad McCants, & Josiah Johnson Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Start building credit with Kikoff today, and get your first month for as little as one dollar. That’s 80% off the normal price when you go to https://getkikoff.com/arena today SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Whoop, whoop. Whoop, whoop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[0:15] Speaker 1: New York basketball. What's up, baby? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout
[0:21] Speaker 1: out Mero.
[0:23] Speaker 2: And all the other fine New Yorkers out there, we've
[0:25] Speaker 2: got an exciting show for you guys today. This is
[0:27] Speaker 2: Gil Zarina presenting my underdog, Whoop Whoop.
[0:29] Speaker 1: Whoop Whoop.
[0:29] Speaker 2: I'm merely an award-winning host, Josiah Johnson, and we've got
[0:32] Speaker 2: NBA champion of the world, Swaggy P.
[0:35] Speaker 1: Nick Young back here with us. New York Knicks. Former
[0:39] Speaker 1: New York Knicks.
[0:41] Speaker 2: Representing Tough Crowd University, Tough Crowd Golf, former New York Knicks, Mr. B.
[0:46] Speaker 2: Brandon Jennings back here with us. Got one of the
[0:50] Speaker 2: biggest legends.
[0:51] Speaker 1: I look nice. I look nice. Thank you.
[0:53] Speaker 2: One of the biggest legends of sports media games, Skip
[0:55] Speaker 2: Bayless back in the building with us.
[0:57] Speaker 1: It's my turn.
[1:00] Speaker 2: And on this side of the couch, the distinguished gentleman
[1:02] Speaker 2: from Oak Cliff, former number one pick and former New
[1:04] Speaker 2: York Knick, Canyon Martin.
[1:06] Speaker 1: That looks nice too, bro. That looks nice. That looks
[1:09] Speaker 1: nice right there.
[1:10] Speaker 3: What I'm talking about.
[1:11] Speaker 1: Three's in the chat. Ladies and gentlemen, three's in the chat.
[1:13] Speaker 2: Last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry,
[1:16] Speaker 2: NCAA Champion of the World, Dr.
[1:17] Speaker 1: Rashad McCants, PhD. Looking very festive. Nah. That was easy.
[1:25] Speaker 4: I know, that don't look nice.
[1:27] Speaker 1: That was easy. That don't look nice. Finish him.
[1:30] Speaker 5: Mm.
[1:31] Speaker 1: Where's New York Knicks? I don't know. Is that for
[1:34] Speaker 1: the Knicks taking game one shot? Where the Wimby jersey at? Oh,
[1:38] Speaker 1: he's trying to put the curse on him. Mm-mm. I'm
[1:40] Speaker 1: going to put the curse on them. Sohan, you're getting
[1:42] Speaker 1: the ring either way.
[1:43] Speaker 6: It's me versus me. You guys don't get to participate.
[1:48] Speaker 6: No matter how much you want to. You guys look.
[1:52] Speaker 1: No matter how much you want to participate. He left
[1:56] Speaker 1: him because of a thumb. Now he want to be back.
[1:57] Speaker 1: You can watch out. You can watch out.
[2:01] Speaker 4: Don't hop back on the team. Help him back on
[2:04] Speaker 4: the thumb. Don't hop back on the thumb.
[2:06] Speaker 6: Don't hop back on the thumb now. What you hopping
[2:09] Speaker 6: on the thumb for? Jalen Thompson. What y'all hopping on
[2:12] Speaker 6: the thumb for?
[2:13] Speaker 1: Our family over there. Thought you was from L.A. You
[2:17] Speaker 1: got a New York jersey. Where you from? Where you from?
[2:20] Speaker 1: Where you from? You was a Laker. Where y'all was Lakers?
[2:23] Speaker 1: Ain't you from North Carolina? Where the Bobcats at? Where
[2:26] Speaker 1: the Bobcats at? Where the Bobcats at? Where the Bobcats at?
[2:30] Speaker 1: I'm talking about my former teammates. Y'all doing this for me.
[2:33] Speaker 1: Y'all doing this for me? I picked the next one.
[2:36] Speaker 1: I went out here and did this for me. I
[2:38] Speaker 1: picked the next one.
[2:39] Speaker 2: Hey, Skip.
[2:39] Speaker 5: Me too.
[2:39] Speaker 1: Skip, what does it say on the bracket? What does
[2:41] Speaker 1: it say on the back? Skip, what does it say
[2:43] Speaker 1: on the back of this? Mark it.
[2:51] Speaker 5: But wait a second.
[2:53] Speaker 1: But you said you weren't going to win. I said
[2:56] Speaker 1: both of my teams won. It don't matter. I'm going
[2:58] Speaker 1: to win anyway.
[2:58] Speaker 6: Y'all will never beat me.
[3:00] Speaker 1: So I don't care how.
[3:02] Speaker 6: Deep in your closet you go, you ain't never going
[3:05] Speaker 6: to beat me.
[3:05] Speaker 1: It's in the front, actually.
[3:07] Speaker 5: I thought you were going to have to bring a
[3:09] Speaker 5: way bigger body bag today, like a 7'6 body bag.
[3:11] Speaker 1: Where was that? We got seven games. That was the end.
[3:17] Speaker 1: That was the series. No alien embryos? We don't need
[3:21] Speaker 1: none of that. One game.
[3:23] Speaker 6: We talk hoop today. We're not going to do this
[3:26] Speaker 6: every single game.
[3:28] Speaker 1: It's going to be boring. Oh, now it's boring. You
[3:33] Speaker 1: might only have three games left to do. I get
[3:35] Speaker 1: to pick whatever team win, I win. So y'all got
[3:38] Speaker 1: to deal with that. That's what he's doing.
[3:40] Speaker 6: Ask New York that.
[3:42] Speaker 1: I win. Ask New York that. That's it.
[3:45] Speaker 6: All right, ask Uncle Wes. He called me and told me.
[3:47] Speaker 6: He's not chopped cheese, man. He's not chopped cheese. Chopped
[3:50] Speaker 6: cheese in the chat, please.
[3:51] Speaker 1: For this show. Chopped cheese.
[3:54] Speaker 6: Everywhere we go, we leave a worldwide mess. Shout out
[3:57] Speaker 6: to Leon Rose.
[3:58] Speaker 1: Oh, man. Oh, here we go. Here we go.
[4:01] Speaker 6: That's what haters sound like.
[4:03] Speaker 1: That's what haters sound like. You hear that? Y'all hear him?
[4:06] Speaker 1: Y'all hear him? Y'all hear him?
[4:11] Speaker 6: They cause it to get mixed jerseys to go against.
[4:16] Speaker 7: When it's already going actually.
[4:19] Speaker 6: Yeah, that's great that's how far they go they don't know.
[4:25] Speaker 1: You went in a closet there they play for the
[4:27] Speaker 1: team So okay, we actually play foot. Yeah, he went
[4:30] Speaker 1: in the closet We got one Well, we got a
[4:40] Speaker 1: lot to discuss. Appreciate it.
[4:42] Speaker 2: As you can see, here's what's cracking in Gil's arena today.
[4:45] Speaker 2: The Knicks overcame another double-digit second-half deficit to get another
[4:50] Speaker 2: double-digit road win to steal game one from the Spurs.
[4:53] Speaker 2: Is New York now the favorite to win the chip?
[4:56] Speaker 2: San Antonio suffered the first game one finals loss in
[4:59] Speaker 2: franchise history, but who deserves the blame? And is it
[5:02] Speaker 2: a 7'4 Frenchman? We will discuss. And Steph Curry ended
[5:06] Speaker 2: his sneaker-free agency by taking his Curry brand to Leaning.
[5:09] Speaker 2: But will the chef's career end with any more bling bling?
[5:12] Speaker 2: But before we get into all that, as always, this
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[5:36] Speaker 2: NBA Finals tipped off Wednesday night in San Antonio. Spurs
[5:40] Speaker 2: rolled through the West with dominant performances over the Blazers
[5:43] Speaker 2: and Wolves in the first two rounds, outlasted the defending
[5:45] Speaker 2: champion Thunder with back-to-back wins in Game 6 and 7
[5:48] Speaker 2: to reach the Finals for the first time since 2014.
[5:50] Speaker 2: The Knicks made their first Finals since 1999 with a
[5:54] Speaker 2: historic 11-game win streak featuring three blowout series-clinching wins and
[5:58] Speaker 2: the highest point differential in league history. So after back-to-back
[6:01] Speaker 2: series sweeps, including the Eastern Conference Finals over the Cavs,
[6:05] Speaker 2: New York hadn't played a game since May 25th, a
[6:08] Speaker 2: more than eight-day layoff since their last game.
[6:10] Speaker 1: Stage was set.
[6:11] Speaker 2: For a rematch of the 1999 NBA Finals and NBA
[6:14] Speaker 2: Cup Final from this season, Spurs were 6-0 all-time in
[6:18] Speaker 2: Game 1s in their Finals history. But this time around,
[6:20] Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson put the Knicks on his back to welcome
[6:23] Speaker 2: Wimby and the Spurs back to Earth. Let's take a
[6:25] Speaker 2: look at the highlights.
[6:26] Speaker 1: Son, if we can, please. Son?
[6:28] Speaker 2: Hey, son.
[6:28] Speaker 1: So Knicks threw the first punch, opened the game, jumping
[6:30] Speaker 1: out to a 14-7 lead. But the Spurs responded with
[6:31] Speaker 1: a 20-13 run to take a double-digit lead.
[6:39] Speaker 2: Dylan Harper scored 10 of his 16 points in the
[6:42] Speaker 2: opening quarter at San Antonio, led by eight after the
[6:45] Speaker 2: first frame. Dylan Harper doing his thing. Some say he
[6:48] Speaker 2: might need more minutes. Jalen Brunson, one for seven from
[6:50] Speaker 2: the field in the first quarter. Briefly left the game
[6:53] Speaker 2: with a knee injury after Harrison Barnes crashed into it.
[6:56] Speaker 2: Knicks rallied in the second quarter, opening up the period
[6:58] Speaker 2: with an 11-4 run to cut the deficit to one.
[7:01] Speaker 2: Then Brunson scored eight straight points for the Knicks to
[7:04] Speaker 2: help them take the lead. Brunson also appeared to roll
[7:06] Speaker 2: his ankle in the second quarter. After landing awkwardly near
[7:09] Speaker 2: Luke Cornett following a drive to the basket, stayed in
[7:12] Speaker 2: the game. Those Spurs into the half with a 13-5
[7:15] Speaker 2: run to take a 55-48 lead until the break. Julian
[7:19] Speaker 2: Champagny scored 15 of his 16 points in the first half,
[7:22] Speaker 2: hit five threes, including three in the second quarter. Spurs
[7:25] Speaker 2: kept their foot on the gas to start the second
[7:27] Speaker 2: half with New York trailing by as much as 14
[7:30] Speaker 2: in the third quarter before their.
[7:32] Speaker 1: Offense started rolling.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Dylan Harper hit that bucket right there to make that
[7:35] Speaker 2: 14-point lead. Nix finished the third frame with a 22-9 run,
[7:40] Speaker 2: getting a variety of buckets and big defensive plays from
[7:44] Speaker 2: the big bodega. Some say he locked up Wimby. We
[7:48] Speaker 2: will discuss in just a moment. Like I said, Nix,
[7:54] Speaker 2: big rally in the third quarter. Deuce McBride hitting buckets
[7:59] Speaker 2: not right there, but soon it was capped off by
[8:02] Speaker 2: Deuce McBride. Bank three late in that third quarter. Ended
[8:08] Speaker 2: up tying things up at 76. You see Wimby. Oh,
[8:12] Speaker 2: we see Bruce McBride right there to tie things up.
[8:16] Speaker 1: At 6, 376, 10 in the fourth quarter.
[8:18] Speaker 2: And then Jalen Brunson caught fire in the final frame,
[8:20] Speaker 2: scoring 13 of his 30 points in the final eight
[8:22] Speaker 2: minutes of the game. Brunson, second player in Knicks history
[8:24] Speaker 2: with 30-plus points in Game 1 of the NBA Finals,
[8:27] Speaker 2: joining Willis Reed, who did it back in 1970. Carl
[8:28] Speaker 2: Anthony Towns was the big bodega on both sides of
[8:32] Speaker 2: the ball. He had 18 points and 12 boards while
[8:35] Speaker 2: also guarding Wimby and locking him up, as they say.
[8:37] Speaker 1: O.J.
[8:38] Speaker 2: Ananobi scored 12 of his 17 points in the fourth quarter,
[8:41] Speaker 2: hit two big threes, and went four for four from
[8:43] Speaker 2: the line in the frame.
[8:44] Speaker 1: Josh Hart only had three points on one of five shooting.
[8:47] Speaker 2: Stuffed the stat sheet with 15 boards, six assists, four steals,
[8:50] Speaker 2: and a block. Ooh, Landry Sherman had 13 off the bench. Wimby,
[8:54] Speaker 2: off shooting night, still led the Spurs with a team-high
[8:58] Speaker 2: 26 points. He was six for 21 from the field.
[8:59] Speaker 1: Two for nine from three, 12 for 13.
[9:02] Speaker 2: Free throw attempts, also had 11 rebounds with a game-high
[9:06] Speaker 2: six turnover as well. The podcast was 17 and eight.
[9:09] Speaker 2: Darren Fox struggling in this one, seven points. New York
[9:13] Speaker 2: led by as much as eight Spurs. Tried to mount
[9:15] Speaker 2: that comeback, but Jalen Brunson put the team on his
[9:19] Speaker 2: back to get the dub. Ooh, these highlights were exhilarating.
[9:23] Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm a little, we're a clamp now. New
[9:26] Speaker 2: York ended the game with an 11-0 run, outscoring the Spurs,
[9:29] Speaker 2: 29-19 in the final frame. Brunton and OG Ananobi outscored
[9:33] Speaker 2: San Antonio by themselves in the fourth quarter. Knicks got
[9:35] Speaker 2: their seventh consecutive double-digit playoff road win, the longest streak
[9:39] Speaker 2: in league history. Here was a reaction from Brunton and
[9:42] Speaker 2: Wimby after the game.
[9:44] Speaker 8: I think we know what we have to do. I
[9:46] Speaker 8: think we're a pretty together group. Be able to trust
[9:50] Speaker 8: each other and still just continue to fight have each
[9:52] Speaker 8: other's back and um just know that we gotta keep
[9:54] Speaker 8: chipping away chipping away um it's just a credit to
[9:59] Speaker 8: the mentality we have as a team but uh i
[10:01] Speaker 8: mean we can't just be satisfied that we have a
[10:03] Speaker 8: long way to go we have a lot of things
[10:04] Speaker 8: we can do to be better but i'm happy we
[10:07] Speaker 8: came with a win.
[10:08] Speaker 1: Every team guards differently you know.
[10:11] Speaker 9: I'm gonna figure it out it's uh yeah i mean
[10:14] Speaker 9: i was bad tonight it's not more complicated than that
[10:18] Speaker 9: we've been down in a series before never in the
[10:20] Speaker 9: finals obviously but I'm not kicking myself about anything really
[10:25] Speaker 9: I mean I'm not worried the slightest.
[10:27] Speaker 2: Hmm Knicks are the third team to win 12 straight
[10:31] Speaker 2: games in a single postseason previous two teams the 2017
[10:34] Speaker 2: Warriors 1999 Spurs went on to win the title let's
[10:37] Speaker 2: take a look at that 12 win playoff streak if
[10:40] Speaker 2: we have that graphic available oh as you can see
[10:43] Speaker 2: right here 13 single postseason.
[10:49] Speaker 1: Last two won the trip.
[10:51] Speaker 3: Damn. 2003 Nets team was pretty. Yeah, we lost, though.
[10:55] Speaker 3: But damn. Valiant effort, though.
[10:57] Speaker 1: Can't even value effort. Damn, 10 in a row? Valiant effort.
[11:01] Speaker 3: Swaggy, let's start with you. Carried over to next year.
[11:04] Speaker 3: It went to 14 games.
[11:07] Speaker 1: In multiple. Yeah.
[11:10] Speaker 3: Swept the first round of next year.
[11:12] Speaker 1: That's good. Oh, yeah, it was three games. I mean,
[11:15] Speaker 1: best out of five, right?
[11:16] Speaker 3: No, no, you know, it was back to seven. Only
[11:18] Speaker 3: in my first year we made the playoffs, it was
[11:20] Speaker 3: five games.
[11:20] Speaker 1: First year. Mm-hmm. Frankie, let's start with you. Ah, man,
[11:25] Speaker 1: this is.
[11:26] Speaker 2: Biggest takeaways from the Knicks? Rolling into San Antonio, stealing
[11:30] Speaker 2: game one.
[11:31] Speaker 4: Um, I would say, you know, you got to start
[11:34] Speaker 4: with the coach. You got to give Mike Brown some credit.
[11:37] Speaker 4: You got to give Mike Brown the credit he deserves.
[11:40] Speaker 5: He, um.
[11:41] Speaker 4: You know, coming in, a lot of people was, you know,
[11:44] Speaker 4: down on him, but the way he, I think he's
[11:48] Speaker 4: doing the warrior's pedigree, playing all 10, playing as a team,
[11:52] Speaker 4: playing nine players, not running his players into the ground,
[11:55] Speaker 4: giving players like Sherman and Bronson, I mean, the other
[11:59] Speaker 4: guy confidence, going out there to shoot the ball like
[12:04] Speaker 4: they were with confidence, fast breaks, pulling up for threes
[12:09] Speaker 4: in the finals. I think you got to give him confidence. And,
[12:15] Speaker 4: you know, Brunson chopped cheese, baby. And the big bodega
[12:19] Speaker 4: came to play. I love the way you can't do
[12:22] Speaker 4: the four smalls and one big against New York like
[12:25] Speaker 4: the Spurs have been doing all playoffs. They do the
[12:27] Speaker 4: four smalls and throw Wimby out there. I think New
[12:30] Speaker 4: York got a team, got one of the best small
[12:34] Speaker 4: ball teams that could play, rebound, play hard with Josh Hart, O.G., Bridges,
[12:42] Speaker 4: and then you got Monty Mouse out there. Nobody gave
[12:45] Speaker 4: him a chance. I see Vegas had the Spurs. That's
[12:49] Speaker 4: my favorite. I heard even New York fans like Stephen
[12:53] Speaker 4: A saying they got the Spurs. But, you know, shout
[12:58] Speaker 4: out to them boys in New York. French Montana, all
[13:01] Speaker 4: them boys. Max B performing after the game. Jim Jones,
[13:06] Speaker 4: Fat Joe. We had some people sad yesterday watching the game.
[13:11] Speaker 4: Very quiet. Fat Joe, just Joe now.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Just Joe. That Joe Simpson? Champion Joe. Okay. Soon to
[13:18] Speaker 1: be champion Joe? Soon to be.
[13:19] Speaker 2: All right, let's shift over to you, Mr. B. I
[13:21] Speaker 2: see you rocking the vintage Brandon Jennings Knicks jersey. What
[13:25] Speaker 2: are your biggest takeaways from New York? Stealing game one
[13:28] Speaker 2: from the Spurs.
[13:29] Speaker 7: Well, they looked a little rusty from being off eight days,
[13:32] Speaker 7: for sure, you can tell. But they pulled it together.
[13:35] Speaker 7: In that fourth quarter, OG, he came through. He did
[13:37] Speaker 7: his big one. even though Hart only had three points,
[13:42] Speaker 7: 15 rebounds was huge for them. And Cat, man, I
[13:45] Speaker 7: got to still just give it up to Cat. I mean,
[13:48] Speaker 7: they were pressuring Cat. Cat was making it difficult on
[13:50] Speaker 7: Wimby all night. He also attacked him on the other
[13:53] Speaker 7: side of the floor. And then with Brunson, I mean,
[13:56] Speaker 7: he just willed himself to that win.
[13:57] Speaker 1: He was on one leg.
[13:59] Speaker 7: And Mike Brown just having everybody together and just sticking
[14:02] Speaker 7: to the plan. You know, guys came in and made
[14:03] Speaker 7: big shots when needed to. It was looking a little
[14:07] Speaker 7: like it was going to be over by the third quarter,
[14:09] Speaker 7: but they were able to rally, their defense came together,
[14:12] Speaker 7: and they were able to just go in there and
[14:14] Speaker 7: steal a win. So, I mean, that's one of the
[14:17] Speaker 7: biggest things that you want to do in the finals,
[14:20] Speaker 7: you know, try to get that first win. So they
[14:22] Speaker 7: did what they were supposed to do.
[14:24] Speaker 5: You think he was hurt, Bronson?
[14:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't see the leg? I saw it.
[14:28] Speaker 5: He looked good to me in the fourth quarter.
[14:30] Speaker 7: No, that last shot when he was trying to, he
[14:31] Speaker 7: looked like he just fell over. It was like everything he,
[14:34] Speaker 7: that one little leg.
[14:36] Speaker 2: Let's shift over to this side, to the distinguished gentleman first.
[14:40] Speaker 2: Another former New York Knick rocking the vintage Kenya Martin jersey.
[14:44] Speaker 2: What are your biggest takeaways from the Knicks stealing game
[14:47] Speaker 2: one from the Spurs in San Antonio?
[14:49] Speaker 3: Yeah. If you're going to get one, then the first
[14:52] Speaker 3: one is the game to get. To Brandon's point, it
[14:55] Speaker 3: did look a little rusty at first, but I like
[14:57] Speaker 3: to play calling to start the game, giving the team
[15:00] Speaker 3: a certain look. Shout out to Mitchell Roberts, man, for
[15:04] Speaker 3: sucking it up. I challenged him. And, yeah, so.
[15:11] Speaker 3: What's up? You are a vital piece to what your
[15:15] Speaker 3: team needs as far as rebounding and somewhat of rim protection.
[15:23] Speaker 3: Got six fouls to use on Wimby, which is good.
[15:25] Speaker 3: You come out there and be aggressive. You got to
[15:28] Speaker 3: worry about playing big minutes. I don't think Mikael Bridges
[15:32] Speaker 3: will have the kind of game he had again under
[15:35] Speaker 3: 10 points. Same for Josh Hart. Shout out to Josh Hart.
[15:40] Speaker 3: He represented for the threes, B. You know what I'm saying?
[15:43] Speaker 3: 15 rebounds, three points, man, but you affected the game
[15:45] Speaker 3: in a major way. Defense and all those things. Extra possessions. Yeah,
[15:51] Speaker 3: I think he'll make more shots, man.
[15:53] Speaker 1: It was a.
[15:57] Speaker 3: Tall task going into San Antonio, but I think the
[16:00] Speaker 3: Knicks are battle-tested, man. You don't win 11 straight games
[16:04] Speaker 3: in the playoffs and you're not battle-tested. You went into
[16:08] Speaker 3: tough environments. You've overcome deficits. You've fought through injury from
[16:14] Speaker 3: certain players being out. So you have the recipe for
[16:19] Speaker 3: what it takes to be successful. And I think they
[16:21] Speaker 3: went in there and displayed it. I think the bench
[16:24] Speaker 3: will play better for the Knicks.
[16:26] Speaker 1: I think.
[16:28] Speaker 3: The immaturity of the Spurs where it is headed at times.
[16:34] Speaker 3: Maybe can't take nine threes. That's glaring. I think he's settling.
[16:41] Speaker 3: That's what good defense makes you do at times when
[16:44] Speaker 3: they can force you into certain actions. I think they
[16:47] Speaker 3: did that in game one. We'll see how Wimby reacts
[16:51] Speaker 3: in game two to that defense because it's not going
[16:53] Speaker 3: to change. I'm looking for what type. I want to
[16:59] Speaker 3: see what kind of adjustments will be made in game
[17:00] Speaker 3: two on both sides. To Jalen Brunson's point, I They
[17:04] Speaker 3: know they can play better in certain areas. But to
[17:08] Speaker 3: get a win, you'll definitely take it. But, no, it's– yeah,
[17:15] Speaker 3: I just like what the Knicks are doing. I said
[17:17] Speaker 3: early on I didn't trust them before the playoffs started. But, hey,
[17:20] Speaker 3: they have proven wrong. They have proven that they mean business.
[17:24] Speaker 3: And they're on the biggest stage doing it. And to
[17:26] Speaker 3: go get game one on the road is a huge deal. So,
[17:31] Speaker 3: Offshoot United on both sides. Knicks, I believe, 41% from
[17:33] Speaker 3: the field, 31% from three. Spurs were 36% from the field, 26%
[17:37] Speaker 3: from the three. But let's shift back over to this
[17:39] Speaker 3: side of the couch. Former Spurs fan, current Thunders fan.
[17:44] Speaker 2: What were your biggest takeaways from the Knicks stealing game
[17:47] Speaker 2: one from the Spurs?
[17:50] Speaker 1: That was easy.
[17:59] Speaker 5: So, I got a kick out of the fact that
[18:03] Speaker 5: the shortest player on the floor outplayed by far the
[18:09] Speaker 5: tallest player on the floor when it mattered the most.
[18:13] Speaker 5: And I know Jalen Brunson banged his knee against Harrison Barnes,
[18:18] Speaker 5: and there might be a little hyperextension, but man, in
[18:21] Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, he put one move on a little
[18:24] Speaker 5: semi-break on De'Aaron Fox, a little jitterbug move. He was
[18:29] Speaker 5: moving and grooving in the fourth quarter. Scored 13. That
[18:35] Speaker 5: dagger shot that you talked about, that sideways fall away,
[18:39] Speaker 5: it was just like vintage Brunson. And it just broke
[18:44] Speaker 5: San Antonio's will. And to me, last night, once again,
[18:52] Speaker 5: the alien looked more like an earthling to me. He
[18:57] Speaker 5: looked ground-bound. and he had a playoff high 15 missed shots,
[19:04] Speaker 5: six of 21. As Kenyon pointed out, he took nine threes,
[19:09] Speaker 5: made two of them. That won't work. And he had
[19:14] Speaker 5: a playoff high six turnovers, and I remind you, the
[19:17] Speaker 5: last time they played the Knicks at Madison Square Garden
[19:20] Speaker 5: on March 1st, he had seven turnovers. Because the Knicks
[19:24] Speaker 5: are one team that realizes he dribbles so high because
[19:27] Speaker 5: he's so tall that you can pick his pocket pretty easily.
[19:33] Speaker 5: And it got picked late in the game when they
[19:36] Speaker 5: had one last chance. And that was on Wimby because
[19:39] Speaker 5: Josh Hart picked his pocket. And this all happened mostly
[19:46] Speaker 5: because I am a Thunder fan.
[19:49] Speaker 1: This is because.
[19:50] Speaker 5: Chet Holmgren does not play for the New York Knicks
[19:55] Speaker 5: Carl Anthony Towns plays for the New York Knicks and.
[19:59] Speaker 1: To me.
[20:01] Speaker 5: Chet Holmgren is an all-star against everybody except that alien,
[20:06] Speaker 5: and he shrinks in fear at the mere sight of
[20:09] Speaker 5: that alien. See Game 7 of the Western Conference Finals
[20:13] Speaker 5: when he, Chet Holmgren, took no shots the last three
[20:16] Speaker 5: quarters and wound up with four points and four rebounds.
[20:20] Speaker 5: And that wasn't happening last night because Chet Holmgren ain't
[20:23] Speaker 5: walking through that door anymore when Benyama. And With Carl
[20:29] Speaker 5: Anthony Towns, he ain't afraid of no alien because he
[20:35] Speaker 5: is seven feet tall, and he knows he's quicker footed
[20:39] Speaker 5: than Wimbanyama is, and he knows that he is a
[20:44] Speaker 5: career 40% three-point shooter. And by the way, he didn't
[20:50] Speaker 5: even play to that advantage last night because Cat was
[20:52] Speaker 5: 0 for 2 from 3. So wait until game 2
[20:54] Speaker 5: and 3 and 4. When he starts making threes, it's
[21:00] Speaker 5: really going to make it hard on the alien. And
[21:03] Speaker 5: then on the defensive side, because Carl Anthony Towns knows
[21:10] Speaker 5: that he's just quicker footed than the alien, not only
[21:15] Speaker 5: did he blow by him twice on offense in the
[21:17] Speaker 5: first half, got his attention, but on defense... He just
[21:21] Speaker 5: bothers him. He can go out and play him on
[21:22] Speaker 5: the perimeter and get up into him because he's not
[21:25] Speaker 5: afraid of Wiminyama dribbling by him. And, man, I'm looking
[21:31] Speaker 5: at this number. Wait a second. Wimby was 2 of
[21:35] Speaker 5: 14 when guarded by Cat? 2 of 14? Wow. That's
[21:41] Speaker 5: falling back to earth. And then I see Wimby say
[21:45] Speaker 5: after the game, he isn't worried in the slightest. Man,
[21:49] Speaker 5: I think he should be worried. in the highest, right? Like,
[21:53] Speaker 5: come on, man. Now you're up against game two because
[21:57] Speaker 5: game three is back in that madhouse up in New York,
[22:00] Speaker 5: you know. And all I know is that I watched
[22:04] Speaker 5: the home team, once again, they did this twice against
[22:06] Speaker 5: the Thunder, but I watched them blow a big lead,
[22:09] Speaker 5: 14-point lead mid-third quarter, and give up a 54-30 run
[22:13] Speaker 5: to the end of the game, including an 11-0 run
[22:16] Speaker 5: over the last two minutes of the game. And, yeah,
[22:20] Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson made two huge shots, as he always does,
[22:23] Speaker 5: but that key blunder in that game came with 57
[22:26] Speaker 5: seconds left when they had a chance to cut it
[22:29] Speaker 5: back down to two. And Wimby's out playing point guard
[22:33] Speaker 5: because he thinks.
[22:33] Speaker 1: He's a two guard.
[22:36] Speaker 5: He lost the ball, and that was the end of
[22:38] Speaker 5: the game and put them in a very deep hole.
[22:41] Speaker 5: Now I'm hearing, well, Wimby was tired. He's 22 years old,
[22:45] Speaker 5: and he just had four days off. I'm not buying tired.
[22:49] Speaker 5: And then I keep hearing, well, he's got to post more.
[22:55] Speaker 5: How many times have you said that about him? Like
[22:57] Speaker 5: his whole career? Like isn't that the thing with Wimby
[23:01] Speaker 5: is that he just doesn't post? He can't.
[23:04] Speaker 3: Can't hold position.
[23:05] Speaker 5: He can't hold position, but it's not his mentality.
[23:08] Speaker 3: Even if it was, he couldn't hold position.
[23:10] Speaker 5: I just don't think it's in him. Barkley said it
[23:13] Speaker 5: last night. He's just a finesse player.
[23:15] Speaker 1: Too light. He's a two-guard.
[23:17] Speaker 5: He's a nine-time three-point attempter.
[23:21] Speaker 3: You can push him off his spot.
[23:22] Speaker 5: Man, I say good luck to the doctor across from
[23:26] Speaker 5: me because he's up against it now in game two.
[23:30] Speaker 1: Hmm.
[23:32] Speaker 2: Well, let's shift over to Dr. Rashad McCants, PhD. What
[23:37] Speaker 2: are your biggest takeaways? Are they your New York Knicks still?
[23:41] Speaker 1: That was easy.
[23:44] Speaker 6: I figured after hearing everybody's assessment, I figured I'd analyze
[23:49] Speaker 6: the game, talk hoop, and not show no favoritism. Give credit,
[23:54] Speaker 6: first of all, to the New York Knicks.
[23:57] Speaker 1: Well, the question was about the Knicks. Okay, let me finish.
[23:59] Speaker 1: All right, let's just let y'all finish. Go ahead. After
[24:02] Speaker 1: all that. You know we're used to this when I talk.
[24:07] Speaker 1: As long as we answer the question. Y'all good? Y'all ready?
[24:16] Speaker 1: Go ahead and get it out. I'm not even looking
[24:20] Speaker 1: at it. I'm sorry. Sorry, Spur.
[24:24] Speaker 6: New York Knicks, as far as what they did well,
[24:27] Speaker 6: I love everything about the pace and the ferocity. They
[24:32] Speaker 6: were down the majority of the game. To be so fresh,
[24:36] Speaker 6: to be so experienced. I think that the Spurs showed
[24:40] Speaker 6: that they can actually play with the Knicks at a
[24:43] Speaker 6: high level. They came in ready to play with both
[24:46] Speaker 6: sides playing the game plan that they all tried to execute.
[24:50] Speaker 1: I love the energy.
[24:52] Speaker 6: You talk about hoop, you talk about the NBA Finals,
[24:55] Speaker 6: you talk about both teams really being up for the moment.
[24:58] Speaker 1: I loved it. It wasn't a great game offensively. They
[25:01] Speaker 1: both struggled.
[25:02] Speaker 6: It was kind of a nasty game if you really
[25:04] Speaker 6: think about it, if you're really truly watching it. I
[25:07] Speaker 6: don't think anybody played well until Brunson really in the
[25:11] Speaker 6: fourth started to play well.
[25:13] Speaker 1: Shaman hit some shots. McBride hit a corner banker. O.G.
[25:18] Speaker 6: Hit a couple good shots. I think the biggest mistake
[25:23] Speaker 6: was Ms. Johnson not putting Dylan Harper in the game.
[25:27] Speaker 1: In the fourth.
[25:28] Speaker 6: He only played three minutes. I think that really hurt him.
[25:31] Speaker 6: He was leading the team in scoring up until the
[25:33] Speaker 6: fourth quarter. Wimby obviously didn't have a good game. Majority
[25:37] Speaker 6: of the game. He was like three for 14 up
[25:40] Speaker 6: until a certain point. But, you know, he's going to
[25:43] Speaker 6: do what he do. 26 points, 12 rebounds in a
[25:45] Speaker 6: bad game in the finals. Your first time. I think
[25:51] Speaker 6: that's going to be his worst game. I can't wait
[25:55] Speaker 6: until he gets back to normal. Brunson, you got to
[25:58] Speaker 6: tip your hat off to him. Like I said, shout
[26:01] Speaker 6: out to World Wide West, Leon Rose, New York Knicks,
[26:04] Speaker 6: showing up, doing what they need to do. But Brunson,
[26:07] Speaker 6: being able to take them over the top, big shots
[26:09] Speaker 6: in the fourth. Mitchell Robinson did what he had to do.
[26:14] Speaker 6: They definitely played Wimby a certain type of way.
[26:16] Speaker 1: I love it.
[26:17] Speaker 6: But we're not worried on both sides. We're not worried
[26:20] Speaker 6: for the Spurs. We're not worried for the Knicks. Like
[26:22] Speaker 6: I said, either way, this knicker right here is going
[26:26] Speaker 6: to win regardless. We're going to win regardless.
[26:29] Speaker 1: So with the Spurs, you know, we're going to rally back.
[26:33] Speaker 1: That wasn't the question. The question was. I thought we
[26:36] Speaker 1: was talking. I thought we was too. I thought the
[26:39] Speaker 1: question was about the Knicks. Y'all just can't help yourself, huh?
[26:41] Speaker 1: I thought the question was about the Knicks. I'll be
[26:43] Speaker 1: triggering you niggas for real. Like real talk. Like y'all
[26:45] Speaker 1: can't even sit still. What was the question about? The Knicks? Yeah.
[26:48] Speaker 1: What do we take about the Knicks win?
[26:50] Speaker 6: I appreciate you sitting still letting me talk because I
[26:53] Speaker 6: let you talk.
[26:54] Speaker 1: But damn. I see, I see. I be triggered. They
[26:58] Speaker 1: just be shaking out their body. Oh, man. Wait, you
[27:01] Speaker 1: shut up. Wait, you shut up. Damn. Can't even. You
[27:05] Speaker 1: said what? Yeah, next. Yeah, next. All right. Damn. You sitting. God. Damn.
[27:14] Speaker 6: Like, shit.
[27:16] Speaker 1: What the hell?
[27:16] Speaker 6: Let these niggas talk. They can't even sit still. What
[27:20] Speaker 6: the fuck is in y'all bloodstream?
[27:21] Speaker 1: Amen. Y'all good? Damn, Nick. You said that shit. Like,
[27:27] Speaker 1: who is y'all?
[27:28] Speaker 3: Like, call names.
[27:29] Speaker 1: Who is y'all? Kenyon, Nick, and Brandon.
[27:32] Speaker 6: Okay, so you saying something right now?
[27:35] Speaker 1: I ain't said shit because you said y'all. Put a
[27:38] Speaker 1: name on it. Everybody. I ain't said shit while you
[27:40] Speaker 1: was talking.
[27:41] Speaker 3: You saying it right now? Yeah, because you said y'all,
[27:43] Speaker 3: you included. I want to know who the fuck y'all is.
[27:45] Speaker 3: Put a name on it.
[27:46] Speaker 2: Everybody in here is talking while I'm talking.
[27:49] Speaker 1: I didn't say shit while you was talking. Why are
[27:50] Speaker 1: you getting loud, though? Because you said y'all. Put a
[27:53] Speaker 1: name on it. I'm sitting right beside you. Put a
[27:55] Speaker 1: fucking name on it. Quit talking y'all. I just did.
[27:57] Speaker 1: I ain't say shit while you was talking. Quit you
[27:58] Speaker 1: talking now. Yeah, because you included me and some shit
[28:01] Speaker 1: ain't got nothing to do with me.
[28:02] Speaker 6: Why are you including yourself in y'all?
[28:05] Speaker 1: I said who are y'all? So why are you including
[28:08] Speaker 1: yourself in y'all? So why are you including yourself in y'all?
[28:13] Speaker 1: It's four other people here other than you. Don't say y'all.
[28:19] Speaker 1: Call names out.
[28:21] Speaker 3: If you got a problem with somebody, say their name.
[28:24] Speaker 1: Don't include y'all. Don't say y'all when you want to.
[28:28] Speaker 7: Talk to certain people.
[28:31] Speaker 3: If you want to say Nick, why are you talking.
[28:33] Speaker 1: When I'm talking? Brandon, Nick, Skip, my name fucking Kenyon.
[28:37] Speaker 1: If I was talking while you was talking.
[28:39] Speaker 3: Say that.
[28:40] Speaker 1: Don't say y'all.
[28:43] Speaker 6: If it ain't you it.
[28:49] Speaker 3: Ain't I don't know y'all is so if you don't
[28:51] Speaker 3: know why would you include yourself in y'all? Don't include
[29:05] Speaker 3: that's all that's all I'm asking if you gotta say
[29:06] Speaker 3: so say one say their name.
[29:08] Speaker 1: That's all I Regulator! That's it. That's all I'm asking. Roundup. Roundup. Don't,
[29:14] Speaker 1: like I said, I don't want to, because I let
[29:16] Speaker 1: you speak. I ain't got shit to say. Clear black night.
[29:18] Speaker 1: Clear black night. That's all. Clear black night. Real simple. Like,
[29:23] Speaker 1: real simple acts. If you're not talking to me, don't
[29:25] Speaker 1: say y'all. Say his, say their names. Say his name,
[29:30] Speaker 1: say his name. Shit, that's all? No one is around you.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Are y'all done? Say his name. Because now you included
[29:39] Speaker 1: in everything. everybody. You is y'all now.
[29:41] Speaker 6: Because you're still talking while I'm trying to talk.
[29:45] Speaker 1: No, I asked you a simple question.
[29:47] Speaker 3: You can finish whatever it is that statement you was making.
[29:50] Speaker 3: Since you're not talking to me, finish your statement.
[29:53] Speaker 1: And after all that, New York still won.
[29:57] Speaker 6: Hmm.
[30:02] Speaker 1: Hey, man. It's why I have a New York jersey on, Nicholas. Oh,
[30:07] Speaker 1: you jumped on a train. I get it. Hence, why
[30:09] Speaker 1: I have a New York Knicks jersey on. Okay? After
[30:14] Speaker 1: all that, the Knicks still won. Go ahead, Josiah.
[30:18] Speaker 6: I land my plane since the motherfucker gonna crash at some.
[30:23] Speaker 1: Point.
[30:24] Speaker 5: May I address your Dylan Harper point, please? So, In
[30:30] Speaker 5: the first half, Dylan Harper looked like the best player
[30:32] Speaker 5: on the floor to me at age 20. And I
[30:38] Speaker 5: don't know what has happened to De'Aaron Fox, but against
[30:41] Speaker 5: the Thunder, he fell into a pretty deep slump. He
[30:44] Speaker 5: had a couple of big shots in game seven, but
[30:46] Speaker 5: overall shot it poorly from the field from three. But
[30:53] Speaker 5: in the second half, Dylan Harper started to cool off.
[30:57] Speaker 5: And he made a couple of shots, but he He
[30:59] Speaker 5: missed both his threes, and he had a turnover. And
[31:02] Speaker 5: then I remind you, he had another clear-cut turnover to
[31:06] Speaker 5: me when that kid ran out on the floor to
[31:09] Speaker 5: take the selfie. And the refs got discombobulated, and they
[31:13] Speaker 5: weren't sure if it happened before or after the kid
[31:15] Speaker 5: ran on the floor, and they called it a jump ball.
[31:19] Speaker 5: And it sure looked, when they replayed it, it happened
[31:23] Speaker 5: before the kid ran on the floor. He just lost
[31:25] Speaker 5: the ball out of bounds. And he was a for
[31:29] Speaker 5: what it's worth, I don't love plus minus, but Dylan
[31:31] Speaker 5: Harper was a minus 17 in the second half. And
[31:36] Speaker 5: once upon a time, not that long ago, 2023, Darren
[31:40] Speaker 5: Fox was the clutch player of the year in the NBA.
[31:43] Speaker 5: So he's their only veteran. And I don't blame Mitch
[31:47] Speaker 5: Johnson for just hanging with him, hoping that he would
[31:50] Speaker 5: make a shot, just one shot down the stretch. Now,
[31:53] Speaker 5: if you wanted to switch it up in game two,
[31:55] Speaker 5: you got me. But I do not condemn him, blame him,
[32:01] Speaker 5: vilify him completely, Mitch Johnson, for not playing Dylan Harper
[32:05] Speaker 5: more than three and a half minutes in.
[32:07] Speaker 1: The fourth quarter.
[32:08] Speaker 3: He outscored two of the starters. He outscored two of
[32:10] Speaker 3: the starters, so you got to find some minutes for him.
[32:13] Speaker 4: It was that air ball in the fourth quarter. That
[32:17] Speaker 4: was a crazy air ball.
[32:19] Speaker 1: Which one? Dylan Harper shot that three.
[32:21] Speaker 5: Yeah, he shot it.
[32:24] Speaker 3: But as much as.
[32:25] Speaker 7: We want to blame Wimby, I got to blame the coach, though.
[32:27] Speaker 1: Which one? I said minus 17, I sold it on him.
[32:29] Speaker 1: You know that.
[32:30] Speaker 3: Like I said, I hate the plus minus. It doesn't
[32:33] Speaker 3: tell the whole story. It doesn't tell the whole story.
[32:36] Speaker 1: But he was.
[32:37] Speaker 3: But he outscored the other two starters. They had 16
[32:40] Speaker 3: and he outscored, I'm saying the same amount of points.
[32:42] Speaker 1: As the other two starters.
[32:44] Speaker 3: You got to find minutes for him.
[32:46] Speaker 1: My assessment is a little bit different. It's not about
[32:49] Speaker 1: the outscoring thing.
[32:50] Speaker 6: It was about his ability to be able to get
[32:52] Speaker 6: to the paint against Brunson, against OG, against whoever was
[32:57] Speaker 6: on him. The way he plays, the pace he plays,
[33:00] Speaker 6: his strength, his ability to shoot the floater, I think
[33:03] Speaker 6: that's an advantage for them, especially in the second half
[33:06] Speaker 6: when trying to make runs.
[33:07] Speaker 1: It's a game of runs.
[33:08] Speaker 6: The one thing we know is that the Knicks are
[33:10] Speaker 6: going to make runs because they play fast. And when
[33:13] Speaker 6: you play with a big like Cat, you always have
[33:16] Speaker 6: the ability to get to the rim from the big perspective.
[33:19] Speaker 6: So when he gets to the rim and you have
[33:22] Speaker 6: somebody like Wimby guarding him or OG on the wing,
[33:25] Speaker 6: it's harder for you to get paint deflections and block
[33:29] Speaker 6: shots and so on and so forth. But then you
[33:31] Speaker 6: also have the kick ability for Shaman, McBride, and Brunson.
[33:37] Speaker 1: I don't think that.
[33:40] Speaker 6: When you think about factors, Bridges, regardless of if he
[33:43] Speaker 6: changes it or not, I think they have other weapons
[33:46] Speaker 6: out there that can be offset. But Dylan Harper is
[33:49] Speaker 6: the type of kid that I think is a powerful
[33:52] Speaker 6: weapon that you have to use instead of three for
[33:55] Speaker 6: 13 and Someone's trying to get his rhythm going based
[33:59] Speaker 6: on being a clutch player against a guy like Brunson.
[34:02] Speaker 6: We need defense on. We need defense coming down and
[34:05] Speaker 6: we need firepower on the other end. I think that's
[34:08] Speaker 6: what Harper does, even though he's 20. Him being 20
[34:11] Speaker 6: is not really an excuse. It's just like Wimby being 22.
[34:15] Speaker 6: But I think Mitch needs to see in certain spots.
[34:18] Speaker 5: Would you start him?
[34:20] Speaker 6: No, it's not about starting him. It's just playing the
[34:22] Speaker 6: minutes like Ginocchio. Playing him more like Ginobili, giving him
[34:25] Speaker 6: confidence to play in late situations, and if he does
[34:29] Speaker 6: make mistakes, you may take him out for a minute.
[34:34] Speaker 6: But don't villainize him to be thinking that his confidence
[34:39] Speaker 6: is not, like, I'm not ready to play deep minutes.
[34:41] Speaker 1: I mean, well, the last.
[34:43] Speaker 2: 11 minutes in the fourth quarter, didn't score two turnovers.
[34:45] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[34:46] Speaker 4: He started off, he did his job in the first half,
[34:49] Speaker 4: I feel like. Got the team going, got When he
[34:52] Speaker 4: came in, that's when the team started getting energy. But
[34:56] Speaker 4: New York went on that run in the second half
[34:58] Speaker 4: when he was in the game, too. And the turnovers
[35:02] Speaker 4: was timely, cost them. Open three, two open threes. One
[35:08] Speaker 4: was an air ball, like a clear air ball. I
[35:11] Speaker 4: feel like he could. You take him out, damn.
[35:14] Speaker 6: But the difference in that run wasn't really him. They
[35:17] Speaker 6: was targeting Champagne. For me, as a coach, what I
[35:21] Speaker 6: would have done is I would have put Vassell, Harper,
[35:24] Speaker 6: Castle as my guards with Johnson and Wimby. There we
[35:29] Speaker 6: can switch all three of them. He don't have nobody
[35:31] Speaker 6: that he's targeting because I feel like he knew he
[35:34] Speaker 6: had an advantage against Champagne, and that's why he kept
[35:36] Speaker 6: going at him. So I think there are some things
[35:39] Speaker 6: there where Mitch trusts Champagne to hit shots. He feels
[35:43] Speaker 6: like he's a viable defender, but I think that he
[35:46] Speaker 6: got more line-up situations that they could change to Give
[35:49] Speaker 6: them an advantage.
[35:50] Speaker 1: Oh, you're not saying take out Fox. Yeah, I'm saying
[35:53] Speaker 1: take out Fox. I'm saying Harper.
[35:55] Speaker 5: I am.
[35:55] Speaker 1: I think Fox made some timely buckets.
[35:57] Speaker 7: The last five games, he's averaging nine points.
[36:01] Speaker 1: You have to be able to score. But when is
[36:04] Speaker 1: he scoring?
[36:04] Speaker 4: He slowed down the comeback driving to the hole, getting
[36:07] Speaker 4: to the free throw line. He made a timely bucket
[36:10] Speaker 4: towards the end, too.
[36:11] Speaker 1: Bro, you know this whole playoffs.
[36:14] Speaker 7: Harper's averaging 13 with 25 minutes, and Fox is averaging
[36:17] Speaker 7: 15 with 32 minutes. Like, so, like, what's, like, this
[36:22] Speaker 7: sounds like, this sounds like, because when Dylan Harper was
[36:25] Speaker 7: getting off, when Fox was out, and Dylan Harper was
[36:29] Speaker 7: getting that attention, you know, then he came back from
[36:32] Speaker 7: injury because he started feeling like, you know, he started
[36:34] Speaker 7: feeling like, you know, that young boy was, we talked
[36:37] Speaker 7: about it on the show, the young boy's finna take
[36:38] Speaker 7: his spot, and now you're out there just.
[36:40] Speaker 1: He had the chance, though.
[36:42] Speaker 4: When he started getting the main focus towards the end...
[36:45] Speaker 4: You had to take him out. He turned the ball over.
[36:47] Speaker 7: Dude, they didn't put Dylan Harper back into three minutes
[36:50] Speaker 7: in the fourth quarter.
[36:51] Speaker 1: That's because when they was making the run, they was
[36:53] Speaker 1: up 14. The other guy played 11 minutes and didn't
[36:56] Speaker 1: do anything. No, no, no.
[36:57] Speaker 6: You got it wrong, bro. That's the opposite. It was
[36:59] Speaker 6: they took him out, then they made the run. Then
[37:02] Speaker 6: they tried to put him back in for those three minutes.
[37:05] Speaker 1: That's the difference.
[37:06] Speaker 7: So I'm blaming the coach. I think this loss is
[37:08] Speaker 7: on him. This loss is on the coach.
[37:11] Speaker 1: No. Bro, that young boy is... Bro, I'm keeping him on...
[37:14] Speaker 1: On the court. If he mess up, hey, I'm living
[37:16] Speaker 1: with it at this point. But the main reason you
[37:18] Speaker 1: keep him on the floor is for defense. No, that too.
[37:21] Speaker 1: For defense specifically.
[37:23] Speaker 6: Because the good matchup when you talk about Castle trying
[37:26] Speaker 6: to match up with Brunson and he running the pick
[37:28] Speaker 6: and roll, switch with me. It's who's on me that
[37:32] Speaker 6: I want. I want him. Come set the screen. They're
[37:35] Speaker 6: going to switch. But if we got three defenders that
[37:37] Speaker 6: you can't pick from, now you got to try to
[37:40] Speaker 6: go to Wimby.
[37:40] Speaker 1: We can double that.
[37:41] Speaker 6: You throw him back to somebody else and it's like,
[37:44] Speaker 6: It's a coaching, like you said, it's a coaching decision.
[37:47] Speaker 6: But at the same time, you've got to put Harper
[37:49] Speaker 6: in a position to succeed.
[37:50] Speaker 7: But also, what did the Knicks do differently against the
[37:53] Speaker 7: Spurs this time?
[37:56] Speaker 1: O.G. used to guard Wimby. And who was guarding Wimby
[37:58] Speaker 1: this time? Towns. That was the biggest difference right there.
[38:01] Speaker 5: Or Mitchell Robinson did.
[38:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but Mitchell. One of the big guys.
[38:06] Speaker 1: But now that they put Towns on it, it's a
[38:08] Speaker 1: whole different matchup. Okay, let's talk about what they were running.
[38:11] Speaker 6: They were running the 4-5 pick and roll, which is
[38:13] Speaker 6: kind of like the horns, the tight horns at the top.
[38:16] Speaker 1: That's why I was always proud of it.
[38:17] Speaker 6: And what they was doing on the backside roll was
[38:19] Speaker 6: they was sinking in, taking away the lob. But we
[38:23] Speaker 6: was talking about that. Castle was not throwing it to
[38:25] Speaker 6: that corner guy to get that shot. And when he did,
[38:29] Speaker 6: Champagne hit the shot. So that's one thing is he's
[38:32] Speaker 6: overplaying the plays that they run, that they get success on,
[38:36] Speaker 6: that may not just be– it ain't working against them.
[38:39] Speaker 6: They got to go to what they ran in the–
[38:41] Speaker 6: Game seven against the OKC, and they ran the cross
[38:46] Speaker 6: screen for Wimby where they can get Wimby in the post,
[38:49] Speaker 6: and then they had a down screen for the guard
[38:51] Speaker 6: to come down. That's actions that help Wimby, and it
[38:55] Speaker 6: helped the guards, and it helped the weak side if
[38:57] Speaker 6: they're switching.
[38:58] Speaker 1: But you got to get to that point.
[38:59] Speaker 6: But what they're doing is they're trying to play fast,
[39:01] Speaker 6: and they're doing that pick and roll at the top,
[39:03] Speaker 6: and they're thinking they're going to get switches. But what
[39:06] Speaker 6: we see that Cat and Robinson are doing, they're dropping
[39:09] Speaker 6: and they're staying with Wimby. And they're allowing whoever the
[39:12] Speaker 6: point guard is to turn the corner.
[39:14] Speaker 1: Because that's Castle.
[39:15] Speaker 5: Right.
[39:15] Speaker 1: He's, you know, he's kind of pro. That's why I
[39:17] Speaker 1: like Harper up there. But then again, that's why he's saying, like,
[39:20] Speaker 1: Fox can make those. Yeah, he hit some of those.
[39:23] Speaker 1: Fox is going to make those.
[39:24] Speaker 6: But Fox made a turnover with the spin lob that
[39:26] Speaker 6: he thought he seen and he threw it away.
[39:29] Speaker 1: And that was Wimpy. thinking it was going to be something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[39:32] Speaker 1: I remember that. It's growing pains.
[39:34] Speaker 6: I mean like we can't go crazy off game one though.
[39:38] Speaker 1: It's just like it's game one. It's filling out.
[39:40] Speaker 6: You got to fill them out. Got to figure out
[39:41] Speaker 6: who's doing what, how you defending me. We got to
[39:44] Speaker 6: make adjustments and come back and see what's up.
[39:47] Speaker 1: It's different too when you just Well, Fox won't play
[39:50] Speaker 1: that bad. Fox won't play that bad.
[39:52] Speaker 6: Three for 13. But the Knicks player is not going
[39:55] Speaker 6: to play that bad. Like I said, it was down
[39:58] Speaker 6: majority of the third where they had to rally back
[40:01] Speaker 6: and make a run to actually make it a game
[40:04] Speaker 6: and tie it up.
[40:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was looking good. It was some questionable calls, too, though. Mm-hmm.
[40:09] Speaker 7: Well, Brunson didn't shoot free throws until like a minute
[40:12] Speaker 7: and 30-some seconds in the third quarter.
[40:14] Speaker 1: They evened it out, didn't they? They evened the free
[40:16] Speaker 1: throws out.
[40:17] Speaker 7: Yeah, but you see Brunson at the end.
[40:21] Speaker 1: You see Brunson at the end, though. He's still mad.
[40:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, but apparently there was a couple fans that were
[40:26] Speaker 2: saying some not nice things to him about flopping in
[40:28] Speaker 2: choice language. Because you saw at the end of the game,
[40:30] Speaker 2: Brunson ran up on Scott Foster. It looked like he
[40:32] Speaker 2: might have been complaining about the whistle. Apparently, according to
[40:34] Speaker 2: a report from Chris Haynes, a couple fans sitting courtside.
[40:37] Speaker 1: I thought it was just a Mary Clarence thing. Sister
[40:39] Speaker 1: Mary Clarence, they were in the suite. They were. Nuns
[40:44] Speaker 1: were not humble.
[40:45] Speaker 5: So could I bring up the most bizarre stat of
[40:48] Speaker 5: the night to me? What's the one New York Knick
[40:53] Speaker 5: who has been constantly criticized as a defensive liability?
[40:57] Speaker 1: Galen Brunson.
[40:57] Speaker 5: That's correct. So here's the stat of the night.
[41:00] Speaker 1: Uh-oh. We've seen his stat now.
[41:03] Speaker 5: San Antonio shooters were 1 of 14 when guarded, and
[41:08] Speaker 5: I've got to put quotes around guarded, when guarded by
[41:10] Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson. When he was nearby, when it was supposed
[41:13] Speaker 5: to be his guy, they went 1 of 14 and
[41:16] Speaker 5: 0 of 8 from 3 when he was the primary defender.
[41:21] Speaker 5: On 9 of the 14 shots, he actually contested the
[41:25] Speaker 5: shot that were missed. So 9 of the 14 misses,
[41:28] Speaker 5: he contested. But the big switch... In the second half, remember,
[41:33] Speaker 5: Champagny in the last, what was it, two minutes of
[41:36] Speaker 5: the first half, he makes three threes. It was just
[41:38] Speaker 5: like out of his mind. Remember, he made 11 on
[41:41] Speaker 5: New Year's Eve in that same building against that same team,
[41:44] Speaker 5: which is the Spurs' all-time record, 11 of 17 threes.
[41:49] Speaker 5: So he's just like shooting free throws. Nobody's guarding him.
[41:55] Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, they jump out to a
[41:56] Speaker 5: seven-point halftime lead. And obviously at halftime, they told Jalen Brunson–
[42:02] Speaker 5: you have to at least get a hand.
[42:03] Speaker 1: Up on him.
[42:04] Speaker 5: Just don't leave him. Don't cheat into the middle. Just
[42:09] Speaker 5: go put a hand up. And in the second half,
[42:12] Speaker 5: what was Champagny, 0 for 5 and 0 for 4
[42:15] Speaker 5: from 3? So Jalen at least did some defensive job
[42:20] Speaker 5: that the stat is saying was key to the whole process, right?
[42:26] Speaker 5: So I give him– fourth quarter credit on offense, and
[42:29] Speaker 5: a lot of credit on defense. At least he did
[42:32] Speaker 5: something defensively that I didn't expect, right?
[42:36] Speaker 1: I agree. I agree.
[42:38] Speaker 6: I always said that he has the potential to play defense.
[42:41] Speaker 6: We never said that he doesn't. It's not like he
[42:43] Speaker 6: doesn't try.
[42:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, he tries.
[42:44] Speaker 6: Actually, he's a championship player. But I think his catch,
[42:48] Speaker 6: that's the liability defensively. I think if Victor would have
[42:52] Speaker 6: attacked him more– It would have been because he started
[42:55] Speaker 6: to get his fouls that he usually gives, the crazy
[42:58] Speaker 6: fouls that he started to usually get. But if you
[43:02] Speaker 6: ease up off him, it's better because he's a roamer defensively.
[43:05] Speaker 6: He's kind of like Mitchell Robinson. He knows where to be.
[43:08] Speaker 6: He's a smart player. But when it comes to fouling,
[43:11] Speaker 6: he makes dumb fouls. And you can make him reach.
[43:14] Speaker 6: You can make him do a little stupid stuff. But, yeah,
[43:17] Speaker 6: Brunson is solid. But you got to go back to
[43:19] Speaker 6: Mike Brown. They play elbows and boxes. They play elbows
[43:23] Speaker 6: and boxes.
[43:23] Speaker 1: This is two teams defensively that are in the gaps.
[43:27] Speaker 6: If you're going to beat us, you're going to beat
[43:29] Speaker 6: us by driving and kicking to this guy. He's going
[43:31] Speaker 6: to kick it to the corner. Corner man going to
[43:33] Speaker 6: hit this shot all night. We're going to depend on that.
[43:35] Speaker 6: And defensively rotating, close out to the corner man, make
[43:38] Speaker 6: him take one dribble.
[43:39] Speaker 1: He's got to hit that mid-range.
[43:41] Speaker 6: As we were watching last night, what we see at
[43:43] Speaker 6: the mid-range, they did not want to shoot that mid-range.
[43:45] Speaker 1: Them shits was long. Them shits was nasty. Them shits
[43:47] Speaker 1: was long. Them shits was nasty. Pull up at the
[43:50] Speaker 1: free throw every time.
[43:51] Speaker 6: That's the go through your execution of the offense all
[43:54] Speaker 6: the way through, and we're going to make them take
[43:56] Speaker 6: long twos, and we're going to live with it. Get
[43:58] Speaker 6: the rebound, box out, let's go down, let's do the
[44:01] Speaker 6: same thing. These are two teams that just, they're well coached.
[44:06] Speaker 6: One team executed better down the stretch than the other.
[44:10] Speaker 1: In the second half. In the second half. In the
[44:11] Speaker 1: second half. I'll give you the second half. The second half,
[44:14] Speaker 1: you see. Well, actually, just the fourth quarter. I mean,
[44:17] Speaker 1: just the fourth quarter, honestly. First and the fourth. First
[44:20] Speaker 1: and the fourth. First and the fourth. 29-19. That was solid. Yeah.
[44:24] Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit more Jalen Brunson. Brunson
[44:27] Speaker 2: proved once again why he's the king of New York,
[44:29] Speaker 2: also the king of the fourth quarter, like Kenny Beecham,
[44:31] Speaker 2: this postseason. So Brunson averaging nearly 10 points per game
[44:35] Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter of the 2026 playoffs. on a
[44:37] Speaker 2: ridiculous 59-62-93 splits. So 12 for 31 in game one,
[44:42] Speaker 2: but five for nine in the final frame. Knicks are
[44:46] Speaker 2: 6-0 this postseason when Brunson scores 30-plus points. So the Athletics'
[44:50] Speaker 2: Ian O'Connor asked Walt Clyde Frazier about Brunson after game one.
[44:53] Speaker 2: Clyde said he's got the tenacity of Willis Reed, and
[44:56] Speaker 2: he's got my cool.
[44:58] Speaker 1: So, Ken, when you look at.
[44:59] Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson, what did Jalen Brunson show you in his
[45:01] Speaker 2: first career finals game?
[45:04] Speaker 3: He's ready for the moment. Um, the spotlight is not
[45:07] Speaker 3: too big. Um, he understands the totality of the, the
[45:13] Speaker 3: pressure that he's under right now. Um, being at the
[45:15] Speaker 3: Knicks having won it since 73. Um, so yeah, I
[45:19] Speaker 3: think he, he's up for the challenge. He went out
[45:22] Speaker 3: and displayed it. Um, whatever the, it was an injury
[45:27] Speaker 3: that he had earlier, whatever he got his knee ran into, um,
[45:31] Speaker 3: whatever that was. Um, Didn't seem to hamper him. And
[45:36] Speaker 3: we know that he's capable of playing more minutes. So, yeah, no,
[45:41] Speaker 3: it was, it was the Jalen Brunson showing the fourth quarter, man.
[45:46] Speaker 3: Took a lot of shots, of course, but sometimes you
[45:49] Speaker 3: got to will him. Like, you got to will him
[45:51] Speaker 3: to go.
[45:52] Speaker 1: And he did.
[45:52] Speaker 3: He willed his team to a win. And like I said,
[45:55] Speaker 3: he proved that he's up for the challenge and he
[45:58] Speaker 3: understands the totality of what, what this moment means. So,
[46:03] Speaker 3: But I think he's going to play better. He's going
[46:07] Speaker 3: to shoot the ball better. He's going to play better
[46:08] Speaker 3: throughout the series. I'm excited to see it.
[46:13] Speaker 2: We talked before, and you guys said he needed to
[46:15] Speaker 2: be in that 25-30 range. Y'all wanted to see Jalen
[46:18] Speaker 2: Brunson shooting those shots. Obviously, lower percentage in this game,
[46:21] Speaker 2: but wasn't too big for the moment. Stepped up when
[46:23] Speaker 2: it seemed needed to and got it done. So, Mr. B,
[46:26] Speaker 2: when you look at what Jalen Brunson was able to do,
[46:28] Speaker 2: game one, 13 of his 30 points coming in that
[46:31] Speaker 2: fourth quarter instrumental in helping the Knicks turn it around
[46:34] Speaker 2: Get the win.
[46:35] Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, that's who he's been all year and
[46:37] Speaker 7: last year. And, you know, when the team is on
[46:40] Speaker 7: his back, that's what he does. But what was more
[46:43] Speaker 7: impressive was Skip said. When he was guarding the main guy,
[46:47] Speaker 7: they were 1 for 14. So I can take the
[46:50] Speaker 7: 31 shots. I can take 40 shots. As long as
[46:52] Speaker 7: you're doing what you've got to do on that other end,
[46:55] Speaker 7: which he did on the fourth quarter and everything, I mean,
[46:57] Speaker 7: I have nothing to say. I mean, for your first
[46:59] Speaker 7: performance out there, you got hurt a little bit. You
[47:01] Speaker 7: sucked it up. You wasn't complaining.
[47:03] Speaker 1: They were fouling. You just shoot your first.
[47:05] Speaker 7: Free throw to the third quarter, still kept going, still
[47:07] Speaker 7: kept putting your head down.
[47:09] Speaker 1: Amazing. I mean, amazing performance, especially on that defensive end
[47:12] Speaker 1: with those numbers. Amazing. I got to give it to them.
[47:14] Speaker 7: But it's only one game. They're going to come back second.
[47:18] Speaker 7: Them young dogs are going to come back for game two, though.
[47:20] Speaker 1: Believe that.
[47:21] Speaker 2: Had the knee injury first quarter landed awkwardly near Luke Cornett,
[47:24] Speaker 2: replay didn't necessarily look like Cornett stepped on the foot,
[47:26] Speaker 2: looked like Brunson just landed a little.
[47:28] Speaker 1: I thought he stepped on it. He stepped on it,
[47:30] Speaker 1: but he landed it. It wasn't as bad. It wasn't
[47:32] Speaker 1: as bad as it looked, though, right?
[47:34] Speaker 5: He was mad because he didn't get the call.
[47:36] Speaker 2: He was complaining about the call, but you watched the replay.
[47:38] Speaker 2: And he didn't get touched either.
[47:39] Speaker 1: Vassell may be on the push off a little bit.
[47:41] Speaker 1: I felt like it. I just felt like it. He
[47:44] Speaker 1: went to the hole, got his jersey grabbed, all kind
[47:46] Speaker 1: of stuff. It was less fouls. This game was a
[47:52] Speaker 1: whole lot of less. It was a lot of wimpy floppings. No, no, no.
[47:56] Speaker 1: He didn't get them called. No, no. Them first like
[47:58] Speaker 1: eight minutes was, they weren't calling nothing. It was jail ball.
[48:02] Speaker 1: As it should. It's the finest. I like that.
[48:05] Speaker 4: I like that. What Brunson did, 31 shots. You know,
[48:09] Speaker 4: he got a whole city on his back, man. That's
[48:12] Speaker 4: a lot of pressure to play in New York. For
[48:15] Speaker 4: somebody to do what he's doing right now, And that
[48:19] Speaker 4: takes heart, a lot of heart, a lot of guts.
[48:24] Speaker 4: At any moment, New York could kill you. A lot
[48:26] Speaker 4: of people are not ready for that spotlight.
[48:29] Speaker 1: The lights are bright.
[48:30] Speaker 3: The lights are bright.
[48:31] Speaker 4: And you can tell when people come here and they
[48:33] Speaker 4: go to other teams, they play better. It's different playing
[48:38] Speaker 4: for these big cities. Go out there and keep your cool.
[48:45] Speaker 4: What he did in the last three minutes, Man, it
[48:49] Speaker 4: was amazing. So I think that shot right there will be,
[48:52] Speaker 4: if they win it, it's going to be shown everywhere.
[48:57] Speaker 7: And he has a chip on his shoulder, too, from
[48:58] Speaker 7: that quote that came out about him from, what's the
[49:01] Speaker 7: coach over there from Spurs?
[49:03] Speaker 1: Becky Hammond. Becky Hammond. What'd she say? So saying that.
[49:06] Speaker 2: You need a guy. You can't win with a small guard.
[49:08] Speaker 2: He would obviously buck his 3B Isaiah Thomas Steffen himself
[49:12] Speaker 2: if he can end up Winning the championship, but basically
[49:14] Speaker 2: said he wasn't the guy.
[49:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's the coach over there with the Spurs. Yeah,
[49:17] Speaker 1: she used to be.
[49:18] Speaker 5: And she doubled down on it.
[49:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. And she just doubled down on it.
[49:22] Speaker 1: Becky Hammond, her jersey's hanging in the rafters. Yeah, no.
[49:27] Speaker 6: You talk about what? You talk about 31 shots. You
[49:29] Speaker 6: gotta really go back to the guy that we Oh, no.
[49:32] Speaker 1: Man, that's what I'm saying.
[49:33] Speaker 6: Like, if I'm going to go home, I'm going to
[49:36] Speaker 6: go home shooting, right? And, you know, to have that
[49:39] Speaker 6: mentality in the fourth.
[49:40] Speaker 1: That's true.
[49:41] Speaker 6: Knowing that nobody else on my team, not only, like,
[49:44] Speaker 6: y'all not ready for that moment, but y'all know I've
[49:47] Speaker 6: been doing this for us.
[49:48] Speaker 1: Yes. For this long, so. Like, you see them get
[49:51] Speaker 1: out the way. I seen Towns go to the corner.
[49:53] Speaker 1: Just go to the corner. It's your turn. It's your time, yeah. So,
[49:57] Speaker 1: when you think about that. That's crazy. That's experience. That's veteran. That's.
[50:01] Speaker 6: I know my moment. That's what we didn't see with Mitchell.
[50:04] Speaker 6: That's what we didn't see with Harden. Where it's like,
[50:06] Speaker 6: give me the ball. I'm going to go out shooting
[50:08] Speaker 6: 30 of these. So imagine when Wimby figures that out. Like,
[50:13] Speaker 6: I need to get to my spot. Like, Brunson knows
[50:15] Speaker 6: where his spots are. This kid don't know where his
[50:18] Speaker 6: spots are yet.
[50:19] Speaker 1: He don't know.
[50:19] Speaker 6: You know, he still got the boxes and elbows.
[50:22] Speaker 1: He don't know how to figure out yet.
[50:23] Speaker 6: But then you look at De'Aaron Fox and you say, damn, De'Aaron,
[50:26] Speaker 6: you supposed to be showing Brunson this is me and
[50:28] Speaker 6: you going against each other.
[50:30] Speaker 1: Bitch.
[50:31] Speaker 4: I see he tried. He missed that one. He missed
[50:33] Speaker 4: a couple. He missed a couple right there.
[50:35] Speaker 6: It's tough because that's deflating because we need that shot.
[50:39] Speaker 1: You're missing it. They go down.
[50:41] Speaker 6: Brunson come and hit you again. That's going to be.
[50:44] Speaker 1: Tough for down the line.
[50:46] Speaker 6: We're talking about game three, game four. Game two is
[50:49] Speaker 6: going to be cool depending on what happens. Three-four is
[50:52] Speaker 6: going to be cool.
[50:52] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Game two.
[50:53] Speaker 7: So do you go back to the Jalen Brunson way?
[50:57] Speaker 7: I mean, listen, they won off will, but game two
[50:59] Speaker 7: they're going to come back.
[51:00] Speaker 1: Come on, man.
[51:00] Speaker 7: They're going to come back with a whole different scheme.
[51:01] Speaker 7: So are you going to trust your teammates this game?
[51:03] Speaker 1: Like, you know, we got... I mean, listen, we still got...
[51:06] Speaker 1: They still... Huh? He did in the first half.
[51:08] Speaker 5: No, no.
[51:09] Speaker 7: But, you know, in the fourth quarter, it still looked
[51:10] Speaker 7: like that old Knicks basketball game.
[51:12] Speaker 1: Just get it to him. But we didn't adjust to that.
[51:14] Speaker 1: I know.
[51:15] Speaker 2: I know.
[51:15] Speaker 1: But I'm saying you guys are going to, though. Yeah,
[51:17] Speaker 1: we have to. You guys are going to guard that.
[51:19] Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson had two assists.
[51:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, if I say.
[51:21] Speaker 6: So... 13 points, though. 13 points, two assists. I don't
[51:25] Speaker 6: need to pass. Bridges shot that fade away.
[51:27] Speaker 1: But what if we start dropping this? We're going to
[51:29] Speaker 1: have to. That's why I say elbows boxed.
[51:31] Speaker 6: But what they did, they pushed everybody down like a
[51:35] Speaker 6: 1-4 flat.
[51:36] Speaker 1: And they let him go to work.
[51:37] Speaker 6: So if we did try to come off him, you
[51:40] Speaker 6: got wide open threes that you don't want to give up.
[51:42] Speaker 4: I think they did that. Because remember the shots they
[51:44] Speaker 4: was taking before that, though? The Bridges fade away, running
[51:47] Speaker 4: out of bounds. They was shooting some crazy stuff.
[51:50] Speaker 1: I'm sorry O.G. stepped up in that fourth quarter. O.G.
[51:52] Speaker 1: came up. Big shot. That eight points was crazy. Was
[51:55] Speaker 1: it eight points? Yeah, threes and a layup. Twelve and
[51:57] Speaker 1: a fourth. Oh, that layup was big, man. Two threes
[52:00] Speaker 1: and a layup. But that's the thing. The Spurs didn't
[52:03] Speaker 1: combat those runs.
[52:04] Speaker 6: Like, you got eight points from O.G., you got three
[52:06] Speaker 6: points from McBride, that corner little bank thing.
[52:09] Speaker 1: We didn't have– well.
[52:10] Speaker 6: Champagne came down and hit some shots, but we didn't
[52:12] Speaker 6: have that match for match.
[52:14] Speaker 1: We need that.
[52:16] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think– No, first time in the finals for them.
[52:20] Speaker 4: I feel like it got a little tight for them.
[52:22] Speaker 1: For both sides. Yeah. It did. It did. It showed.
[52:25] Speaker 1: It showed. That's all. That's all. That's why when y'all
[52:27] Speaker 1: was doing what y'all was doing, I had to sit there.
[52:30] Speaker 1: I had to sit there.
[52:31] Speaker 6: And I'm like, they not ready for that right there.
[52:34] Speaker 1: That's Brunson moment. Brunson did what he was supposed to.
[52:37] Speaker 6: But me thinking is like, we up the whole game.
[52:41] Speaker 6: I'm thinking, they just making this run. We going to
[52:43] Speaker 6: make our run.
[52:44] Speaker 1: But then once he hit that shot, it's like, oh,
[52:46] Speaker 1: God damn it.
[52:47] Speaker 2: Not exactly like Game 1 of Eastern Conference Finals, but Knicks, again,
[52:50] Speaker 2: find themselves down double digits.
[52:51] Speaker 1: Again, rally.
[52:53] Speaker 2: Huge layoff in between the games. Obviously, look rusty. Both
[52:56] Speaker 2: teams look rusty. But let's shift over to Cat, if
[52:58] Speaker 2: we can, quickly. Another double-double in the game, on Game 1.
[53:02] Speaker 2: It was also big defensively for the Knicks. We talked
[53:04] Speaker 2: about a win be 2-for-12, shooting four turnovers with Cat
[53:07] Speaker 2: as a primary defender. So in this postseason, Big Bodega
[53:10] Speaker 2: is averaging 17 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists on 56-47,
[53:12] Speaker 2: 90 shooting splits. So when you look at this game,
[53:18] Speaker 2: obviously Brunson, story of the game, but how much credit
[53:20] Speaker 2: does Cat deserve for helping the Knicks win game one?
[53:25] Speaker 1: Skip, we can start with you, sir.
[53:28] Speaker 5: Let me say one thing about Jalen Brunson before we
[53:30] Speaker 5: leave that behind, and then I'll go to Cat. This
[53:33] Speaker 5: is why your team, I know you've got a split
[53:36] Speaker 5: personality over there, but your Spurs should be highly concerned
[53:41] Speaker 5: because the first thing Jalen Brunson said after the game
[53:45] Speaker 5: on the court was, It wasn't really our night, my night,
[53:49] Speaker 5: most of the night. That's true. It wasn't really their night.
[53:54] Speaker 5: They played what you'd call the game is just kind
[53:56] Speaker 5: of ugly.
[53:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, ugly game, yeah. Yeah.
[53:59] Speaker 5: I mean, one team shoots, the Knicks shoot 41%, the
[54:04] Speaker 5: home team shoots 36%. Well, Jalen concluded his remarks, we
[54:10] Speaker 5: have a lot of things we can do a whole
[54:11] Speaker 5: lot better.
[54:12] Speaker 1: Well, they do.
[54:13] Speaker 5: So does San Antonio, which was two of 19 in
[54:16] Speaker 5: the second half from three. They can fix a lot
[54:19] Speaker 5: of that because we've seen them with their backs to
[54:22] Speaker 5: the wall this whole playoffs and what they do, how
[54:25] Speaker 5: they respond. But you made the Kobe comparison. For Jalen
[54:33] Speaker 5: to just suck it up and say, okay, if you
[54:35] Speaker 5: guys don't want this, I'll take it. And you point
[54:39] Speaker 5: out it's just one game, but– If the Knicks do
[54:42] Speaker 5: win this series, you're going to look back at that
[54:45] Speaker 5: fourth quarter of game one and you're going to say
[54:46] Speaker 5: that was a legacy quarter.
[54:48] Speaker 1: That's what I said.
[54:50] Speaker 5: It doesn't loom huge right now, but it will, especially
[54:55] Speaker 5: if they somehow go steal game two. Then you're going
[54:58] Speaker 5: to look back at the fourth quarter and say, he
[55:01] Speaker 5: did that to them there?
[55:04] Speaker 1: Really?
[55:05] Speaker 5: And you're going to remember that for a long time.
[55:07] Speaker 5: And he's going to be the toast of New York
[55:09] Speaker 5: for a long time. But to your point, you can't
[55:15] Speaker 5: do what you did last night without Carl Anthony Towns.
[55:19] Speaker 5: He played with confidence I haven't seen from him consistently before.
[55:26] Speaker 5: And he talked to the TNT guys that are now
[55:28] Speaker 5: ESPN guys, but he was doing the... Barkley and them
[55:32] Speaker 5: after the game. And he said he really felt like
[55:35] Speaker 5: his mother, may she rest in peace, was in the stands.
[55:39] Speaker 5: And he convinced me he really thought she was like
[55:43] Speaker 5: in the third row as a presence during the game
[55:47] Speaker 5: because it didn't come across like phony baloney stuff. I
[55:51] Speaker 5: think he really felt a peace and a calm that
[55:54] Speaker 5: her spirit was in the house. And he just took it.
[56:00] Speaker 5: He took it to Wimby right away, and those two
[56:03] Speaker 5: blow-bys in the first half were just huge for the
[56:06] Speaker 5: confidence of the Knicks to say, damn, like, oh, he's
[56:10] Speaker 5: ready to do that to him? And then his ability
[56:15] Speaker 5: to go out and defend on the perimeter was, It's
[56:18] Speaker 5: just something Chet didn't show you at all in the
[56:20] Speaker 5: previous series. So all of a sudden, Wimby's a little
[56:24] Speaker 5: off balance. Like, oh, God, I haven't seen this for
[56:28] Speaker 5: a while. I'm not sure he's seen it the whole playoffs.
[56:30] Speaker 5: And he's going to have to reset mentally, and maybe
[56:34] Speaker 5: he's capable in 48 hours. But without Carl Anthony Towns,
[56:40] Speaker 5: it doesn't happen. You needed him to get Jalen to
[56:44] Speaker 5: the fourth quarter to go Kobe. And, again, 31 shots
[56:48] Speaker 5: is a lot of shots. But he ain't afraid, and
[56:52] Speaker 5: Carl Anthony was not afraid last night. And those are
[56:56] Speaker 5: the two reasons we're having this conversation.
[57:00] Speaker 6: My tidbit of pushback would be, Wimby does not know
[57:06] Speaker 6: how to play Cat in this moment. And I was
[57:10] Speaker 6: telling him, when he was guarding him, Wimby was overexcited.
[57:16] Speaker 6: He was playing up on him when you don't play
[57:18] Speaker 6: up on Carl Anthony Towns.
[57:20] Speaker 1: He's a quick big that can drive by you.
[57:23] Speaker 6: I don't know why the scouting report isn't telling Wimby
[57:26] Speaker 6: to give him space, not enough to shoot the three,
[57:29] Speaker 6: but enough to give him cushion to just run the
[57:31] Speaker 6: plays where he's not looking for his three point shot
[57:34] Speaker 6: and he's not looking to drive. Wimby overexerted his stealth,
[57:38] Speaker 6: overextended his stealth, allowed him to drive by him.
[57:40] Speaker 1: He did.
[57:41] Speaker 6: Carl has a certain savvy. He's a very crafty player,
[57:44] Speaker 6: so he uses small hooks. He uses little chicken wings
[57:48] Speaker 6: to get by Wimby, which gives him the advantage. I
[57:51] Speaker 6: am seven foot two. And people forget Carl Anthony Towns
[57:54] Speaker 6: is the number one pick. He's no slouch.
[57:57] Speaker 1: Extreme skill.
[57:59] Speaker 5: I can make the case he's even more skilled at
[58:01] Speaker 5: seven feet than Wimby is at 7'6.
[58:04] Speaker 1: Listen, you have to understand, Wimby hasn't gotten there yet.
[58:07] Speaker 6: The difference in this series right now is that when
[58:10] Speaker 6: you switch Wimby off to a small, you have Carl
[58:13] Speaker 6: Anthony Towne playing traditional big in the post now. So
[58:17] Speaker 6: he can throw it over the top, catch, don't bring
[58:19] Speaker 6: it down, put it back up. You can get him
[58:21] Speaker 6: in a seal position where he can actually get the
[58:23] Speaker 6: ball and do a jump hook.
[58:25] Speaker 1: And we talk about offensive rebounds.
[58:27] Speaker 6: He had two big offensive rebounds, one against Wimby, I
[58:30] Speaker 6: think one against Cornette. And we're talking about just getting
[58:34] Speaker 6: in front.
[58:36] Speaker 1: He knows how to do that.
[58:37] Speaker 5: They were and ones.
[58:38] Speaker 3: Yes.
[58:39] Speaker 1: You're talking about deflating?
[58:41] Speaker 6: When you talk about Wimby being down there, we need
[58:43] Speaker 6: every rebound, big fella. Carl Anthony Towns, advantage this whole series,
[58:47] Speaker 6: is going to be playing the big man position.
[58:50] Speaker 4: Is that one of his weaknesses, Wimby, guarding like that?
[58:53] Speaker 4: He a better help defender than own ball defender?
[58:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Especially against big that can move like that.
[58:59] Speaker 6: That's why I was saying to y'all, like, yo, back
[59:03] Speaker 6: up on him.
[59:03] Speaker 1: You can't play him like that.
[59:05] Speaker 6: I would rather him test his three-point shot than test
[59:09] Speaker 6: his driving.
[59:10] Speaker 1: He only shot two threes. Push that hand down. Back up.
[59:15] Speaker 1: You got to back up. Test it.
[59:16] Speaker 2: Unanimous defensive player of the year, though.
[59:19] Speaker 7: I mean, I think for me with Cat, I think
[59:21] Speaker 7: I always go back to it. I think when that
[59:24] Speaker 7: meeting or whatever that he had with Mike Brown.
[59:27] Speaker 1: Trying to understand his role.
[59:28] Speaker 7: Understanding his role, man. Ever since then, his assist has
[59:30] Speaker 7: went up in the playoffs. He knows his role. He's
[59:34] Speaker 7: not deviating from it. He's just doing what he has
[59:36] Speaker 7: to do. So I just think, you know, I said
[59:39] Speaker 7: OG is the X factor, but I think it might
[59:42] Speaker 7: be Carl Anthony Towns just because it doesn't matter how
[59:45] Speaker 7: you guard him. I think he just knows his role now.
[59:47] Speaker 7: He knows he's going to get his shots. He knows
[59:48] Speaker 7: he's going to be able to pass, get guys involved, and,
[59:51] Speaker 7: you know, he's going to take on the challenge.
[59:52] Speaker 1: I mean, this is win or go home, so. It's nothing.
[59:56] Speaker 7: People can make fun of Cat all they want, but
[59:57] Speaker 7: the guy has been hooping since that little altercation they
[1:00:02] Speaker 7: had early. I just think he's in a better space.
[1:00:05] Speaker 7: Like you said, he saw his mom. He's just in
[1:00:08] Speaker 7: a whole better space right now. You can just see it.
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: Can we look at what Cat's doing both sides of
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: the ball, but particularly on the defensive side, embracing the
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: challenge of guarding Wimby, being a factor out there. How
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: much credit does Cat deserve for helping the Knicks take
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: game one in this series?
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: Just stepping up to the challenge. He understands what's at stake.
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: He's playing for all the marbles now. So, why not
[1:00:31] Speaker 3: take the challenge? We know we have other guys that
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: have guarded him and maybe have done a decent job
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: on him in the past, but I'm going to take
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: the challenge of this and make it my matchup. So, yeah,
[1:00:45] Speaker 3: why not? I think he did a decent job on him.
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: Just the The pure presence of a big on him,
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: I think, makes you think a little more. Shot nine threes.
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: I ain't going to say he forced women in nine threes,
[1:01:06] Speaker 3: but it's his presence and aggression trying to bother the
[1:01:11] Speaker 3: ball may or may not be settled for those threes,
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: I think. But offensively, I'm pretty sure a scouting report
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: for the Spurs is they know that Carl Anthony Towns
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: is the shooter and the blow-bys that happen is Wimby
[1:01:25] Speaker 3: hearing in his head that he has the pressure cap, right?
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: Don't let him just stand there and shoot threes because
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: he's a decent, he's a pretty good standstill shooter. So,
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: that's the scouting report. So, he has to find his
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: range and that. We know you can meet him at
[1:01:39] Speaker 3: the rim, but you don't want to just dare him
[1:01:42] Speaker 3: to shoot it as well. So, um, That foot speed
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: thing that you were speaking of with those two, I
[1:01:51] Speaker 3: think it's whoever's in the front is going to win
[1:01:54] Speaker 3: the race. I saw on one of the breaks, Carl
[1:01:57] Speaker 3: Anthony Towne was trying to catch up to Wimby on
[1:01:59] Speaker 3: the break, and he just physically couldn't do it. And
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: vice versa, whoever gets going first is going to have
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: the advantage. Wimby flew by him, so whoever has it,
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: they're going to have that advantage, but No, Carl Anthony
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: has been playing well. He is a major key while
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: the Knicks are in the finals. Except in a different
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: role than standing out there and shooting six, seven threes
[1:02:24] Speaker 3: a game, I think was a huge change for the team.
[1:02:31] Speaker 3: We know where Jalen Brunson is going to be in
[1:02:32] Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, but the first three quarters, ball is moving.
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: Like the first play of the game they ran, right?
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: Put Carl Anthony Towns in the post, ran fast. Jalen
[1:02:41] Speaker 3: Brunson off the double, come up, got the top of three,
[1:02:44] Speaker 3: top of the key three. Things like that, right? It
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: helps his offense evolve because you know that he can
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: score the ball at a high rate. I'm calling it.
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: He's been playing well, and I think he's going to
[1:02:58] Speaker 3: play even better in this series. He's a major key
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: at why the Knicks are here, and I think why
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: they're going to win it.
[1:03:08] Speaker 4: You know how you say they had a meeting in town,
[1:03:11] Speaker 4: got his confidence? Do you think the Spurs should do
[1:03:14] Speaker 4: that with Fox?
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: No, it's too late right now. You think so?
[1:03:18] Speaker 4: Because I know you hear that Harper's taking over. I
[1:03:22] Speaker 4: know you hear that all year.
[1:03:23] Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just like the Jalen Brown thing.
[1:03:26] Speaker 4: And you don't give him no confidence or England that
[1:03:29] Speaker 4: you're still that guy.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: You run a play for him to get him. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: You're playing him 11 minutes in the fourth quarter. You're
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: not 22 years old. You're not 25 years old. Was
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: he playing hurt?
[1:03:40] Speaker 5: The whole fourth quarter.
[1:03:42] Speaker 6: And he had chances to redeem himself by making plays.
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: Missed multiple games in the Western Conference Finals with that
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: bad ankle.
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: I mean, Towns was playing a lot of minutes, but he...
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm at. What am I supposed
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: to do? That was earlier in the season. You had
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: that conversation with him, though.
[1:03:57] Speaker 6: That was earlier in the season. We are deep in
[1:04:00] Speaker 6: the final.
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: No, this is it. We should not be having confidence conversations.
[1:04:05] Speaker 1: This guy, but he haven't been the same, though. That's
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: because he came back from injury.
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: It looks like that ankle is still bothering him. Labor
[1:04:12] Speaker 2: threw it in the Western Conference. I'm just telling you,
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: they've been playing pretty much every other day.
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: He played solid in game seven. He took us over
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: the top in game seven, hit big shots. The last
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: five games, he's averaging nine points.
[1:04:22] Speaker 6: But we got to know, we're going to talk hope.
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: We know you have off nights. But the last five games,
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: you are averaging nine points.
[1:04:30] Speaker 4: You still need confidence from either the players or the coach, somebody.
[1:04:34] Speaker 4: Come on, man. Run and play for them. Make them
[1:04:36] Speaker 4: feel good.
[1:04:37] Speaker 7: He's got the ball in his hands.
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: He's got the ball all the time. What the hell
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: are you talking about?
[1:04:40] Speaker 6: He can take the shot anytime he wants.
[1:04:42] Speaker 3: All he got to do is say, big Come over here.
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: Hey, what the fuck you want to play for? Get
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: to the free throw line. He called the plays. You
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: don't got the freedom. He called the plays.
[1:04:54] Speaker 5: I'm surprised.
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: And he was an all-star this year? He was an all-star.
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: What do you mean?
[1:04:59] Speaker 4: You can see the difference between when he wasn't playing
[1:05:02] Speaker 4: and how he was balling.
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: And now, like you hear.
[1:05:06] Speaker 4: You're going to trade Fox and let Harper be the man.
[1:05:09] Speaker 4: He's been here all year.
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: No, that's the conversation that we had. Why are they
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: signing him back? That's noise. That's noise. They gave him
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: a four-year deal. We in the locker room, we only
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: hear that noise when we want to hear that noise.
[1:05:22] Speaker 1: When you want to hear that noise, you hear it.
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: So he didn't come back because of that noise? No.
[1:05:27] Speaker 6: He came back because he wanted to take his team.
[1:05:29] Speaker 6: He wanted to be the leader to take them over
[1:05:30] Speaker 6: the top.
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: I don't think he came back because of the noise.
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: He want to hoop. He want to hoop? No, that
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: young boy was. He hoop and Dylan Harper going to
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: do him no matter what. He know how talented he is.
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: All you hear is praise about Dylan Harper, though. But
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: it don't matter. You steal you.
[1:05:45] Speaker 6: And I got my monies in the bank. I was
[1:05:47] Speaker 6: just an all-star. I'm not worried about young fella. He
[1:05:49] Speaker 6: my young fella. I'm actually celebrating the fact that he's shining.
[1:05:54] Speaker 2: You got $ 200 million coming to you from the Spurs.
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: They've shown me that they're confident in my skills and abilities.
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: I want him to shine. I want him to thrive.
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: Even if I got to step back and step aside to.
[1:06:06] Speaker 6: Him, if you're going to keep me on this team,
[1:06:09] Speaker 6: I would want somebody like him to be shining in front.
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: Of me because he's better than me. You need that reassurance. Sometimes.
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: Sometimes you do. I'm just keeping him. Depending on who
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: you are. Depending on who you are. I get it.
[1:06:20] Speaker 3: I don't understand that.
[1:06:23] Speaker 6: At that age, I'm like, you shouldn't. He's a clutch all-star?
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: He's a clutch player?
[1:06:28] Speaker 3: I don't understand that. You know, you look in the mirror, man.
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: I mean, you're the only guy.
[1:06:33] Speaker 3: I don't need nobody to come up and be, hey,
[1:06:35] Speaker 3: we need you tonight.
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: And that's supposed to flip the switch for you? I'm
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: going to blame it on the injury, though. Every time
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: you do. Hey, big fella, we need you tonight. I'm
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: going to blame it on the finals. Every time you do.
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: As a star, you do. Hey, game one. Hey, man,
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: we need you tonight. Hey, we need you tonight. We
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: know you're going to start. As a star, you do. Oh,
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: you just put it on my brain. You just put
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: it on my brain. Bo had to do that to Pau.
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: As a star, you do. Win. Win. In the finals.
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: In the Boston. In the Boston. Yeah. He had to go, hey,
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: big fella, let's go. Yeah. Let's turn this motherfucker up.
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: So sometimes it is that. He's a hero, though. Yeah.
[1:07:07] Speaker 1: But you can't depend on Wimby to do that. Why not?
[1:07:09] Speaker 6: Because Wimby's not the older, experienced guy that knows to
[1:07:14] Speaker 6: do that.
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: He's been with Munch. To do what? To go, come on, man,
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: we need you. Come have to give my vet confidence? No,
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: not confidence. Hey, man, we need you.
[1:07:22] Speaker 6: No, he's supposed to do that to me. He's supposed
[1:07:25] Speaker 6: to come to me and tell me, hey, big fella,
[1:07:27] Speaker 6: I need you tonight. I need you to go get 50.
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: No, but it's a team, though. It's a team, though.
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: It don't matter.
[1:07:30] Speaker 4: Like, somebody can get to check. You don't think he
[1:07:33] Speaker 4: needed some confidence sometimes?
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: No, y'all.
[1:07:36] Speaker 6: You gotta come to the war. You motherfuckers fragile, man.
[1:07:40] Speaker 6: Come to war ready to.
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: Come to war ready to war. I need you tonight.
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: I don't need to hear that. I need you tonight.
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: I don't need to hear that when I put that
[1:07:51] Speaker 3: jersey on, man. Once I lace my shoes up and
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: put my jersey on, I know... I got a job
[1:07:57] Speaker 3: to go do.
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, but some people do though. They're fragile. No, I'm
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: focused on fragile then because Kobe. Yes. He's the hero, Mr. B.
[1:08:05] Speaker 7: He's fragile because, you know, I'm in this big moment.
[1:08:07] Speaker 7: This is the first time I'm here.
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: Fragile. Damn, like I'm nothing to do. Fragile. Fragile.
[1:08:11] Speaker 6: Hey, who Kobe used to playing with? A guy he
[1:08:14] Speaker 6: ain't have to do that with?
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: Kobe ain't have to do that with Shaq.
[1:08:18] Speaker 6: He ain't have to say, big fella, I need you to.
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: Shaq knew. I'm out here. Shaq was the best player.
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: Vice versa. Whatever. So Kobe's the best player.
[1:08:26] Speaker 7: So Kobe's the best player.
[1:08:28] Speaker 6: Shaq never had to go to Kobe and say, hey,
[1:08:32] Speaker 6: I need you, young fella.
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: He never had to do that. They knew. I mean, yeah,
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: I'm averaging 35 and 20. They knew.
[1:08:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, but ain't nobody got to come to, like, tip-tock
[1:08:40] Speaker 3: and then have to go to Manu Ginobili and vice
[1:08:42] Speaker 3: versa and be like, hey, Manu, I need you tonight.
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: No. They didn't have to go to Tony Parker.
[1:08:47] Speaker 6: They didn't have to go to Tony Parker and be like, hey,
[1:08:50] Speaker 6: don't struggle.
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: In the last round. I mean, I'm sure they had
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: to go to David Robinson. You need to remember who
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: you are. He was the guy.
[1:08:55] Speaker 7: No.
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: David Robinson. Man, he was MVP of the National Basketball Association. Okay.
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: Man, as MVP, you think somebody with David Robinson at
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: any point would be like, hey, big fella, we need
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: you to become.
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: Like, be 50 tonight. Yeah. Admiral. Admiral. Admiral is the leader.
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: He's the leader. The admiral is the leader. See what
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: Hakeem Olajuwon did to him, man? Hey, man, we need
[1:09:19] Speaker 1: you tonight. What are you doing? We need you tonight.
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: I could do nothing with you. Okay, so somebody needs
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: to go talk to him. When Shaq played Hakeem, Hakeem
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: was saying shit.
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: Come get this word. And nobody has to go, hey,
[1:09:31] Speaker 3: big fella, you know he... No, I just recently watched
[1:09:34] Speaker 3: that matchup. He's a monster.
[1:09:37] Speaker 1: Shaq was going at him, but Akeem is really good.
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: Ain't nobody going to be like, Dennis Scott will go
[1:09:41] Speaker 3: up to Shaq tonight.
[1:09:42] Speaker 1: Hey, game four. Hey, fella. We need you tonight. No.
[1:09:47] Speaker 3: My first year in the finals, J. Kid was a vet. J.
[1:09:49] Speaker 3: Kid around. J.
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: Kid didn't have to come up to me and be like, hey, K.
[1:09:53] Speaker 3: You know, we about to get swept tonight.
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: Like, we need you. Like, no, we lost the first
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: two games in L.A.
[1:09:59] Speaker 3: I came out game three, had 26.
[1:10:01] Speaker 1: Game four, had 35. So, Kobe going to Paul Gasol
[1:10:05] Speaker 1: means he's fragile? Yes.
[1:10:06] Speaker 2: Here's your opinion, Mr. B. I think it's good.
[1:10:10] Speaker 7: First time in the finals, and, you know, I'm playing
[1:10:12] Speaker 7: for the Lakers, and Kobe Bryant's coming to my room.
[1:10:14] Speaker 6: Fragile meaning that you're not ready for this moment because
[1:10:17] Speaker 6: you haven't been.
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: In this moment.
[1:10:18] Speaker 7: So, Dennis Rodman was fragile, too, and Mike was like,
[1:10:20] Speaker 7: all right, But I had to go get.
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: You in a hotel. Dennis, you want to go in
[1:10:25] Speaker 1: a bender, Mr. B? If he wants 48 hours to
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: go down to Vegas, I need to go to Vegas.
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: That's Frazzo. You still Frazzo? I never had to tell
[1:10:30] Speaker 1: Dennis to be ready for the game. He literally said,
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: I never had to worry about Dennis. He had to
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: go get it from the hotel. He could be drunk.
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: He could be whatever. And Dennis didn't even drink like that.
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: I didn't have.
[1:10:53] Speaker 3: To worry about that.
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: I know you're sick. I got you. The bad boys.
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: And who else? The Spurs. You're not a fragile individual.
[1:11:03] Speaker 7: But what I'm saying, Michael Jordan, what's the difference between
[1:11:05] Speaker 7: Kobe Bryant talking to Paul Gasol in the final?
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: And Michael Jordan having to go get his teammate. Hey, man,
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: we got a game. Because you don't want to play
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: basketball no more. Because he had the pressure. He said
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: he wanted to.
[1:11:14] Speaker 6: I saw the last day. He had to tell Luke, hey,
[1:11:17] Speaker 6: I need you, big fella. He had to tell Bill Winnington,
[1:11:20] Speaker 6: I need you, big fella.
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: Everyone's favorite Canadian.
[1:11:22] Speaker 6: Bill Cartwright, hey, big fella, I need you to hit
[1:11:24] Speaker 6: this shot tonight, big fella. Horace Grant, I need you
[1:11:27] Speaker 6: to get on the boards, big fella. Because they got
[1:11:30] Speaker 6: to be ready for the moment. He's a guy that
[1:11:32] Speaker 6: he didn't know that he was going to be ready
[1:11:33] Speaker 6: for the moment. I need you to step up big
[1:11:35] Speaker 6: for me.
[1:11:35] Speaker 7: I'm just trying to figure out what's wrong with Kobe
[1:11:37] Speaker 7: telling Paul Gasol, hey, man, big fella, but then Michael
[1:11:39] Speaker 7: Jordan got to go get this motherfucker from a hotel
[1:11:41] Speaker 7: to bring you back.
[1:11:42] Speaker 6: It's too much pressure playing for... They're not the same players.
[1:11:45] Speaker 6: They're not the same players. Dennis Rodman is.
[1:11:47] Speaker 1: Right, so Paul Gasol and Kobe Bryant ain't the same
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: player either. It's the same thing, bro. I'm just here
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: giving him some advice. I'm compared to get up for
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: a game. I'm fragile? Somebody tell me let's go? No,
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: that ain't what you're saying.
[1:12:00] Speaker 6: Let's go back to the Olympics. Kobe Bryant ran through his.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: Teammate, right? Remember when he ran through his teammate to
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: send a message? What did his teammate do in that moment?
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: Get back up and play the game. Get back up
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: and play the game.
[1:12:12] Speaker 6: His teammate shrunk in that moment and he lost.
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: Nick, to your point, right?
[1:12:17] Speaker 3: If I walk up to you during the game like, hey, come.
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: On, Duke. That ain't the same.
[1:12:21] Speaker 6: That ain't the same with me telling you, hey, I
[1:12:24] Speaker 6: need you tonight.
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: I need you tonight. Nick, I know your confidence has
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: been wavering.
[1:12:30] Speaker 6: That's the shit you're saying Mike Brown did with that.
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: You're saying Mike Brown had a meeting with that. Like,
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: I need you to do this. I need you to
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: do that. It's an understanding. It's an understanding.
[1:12:41] Speaker 7: Bro, what's wrong with having a meeting with your coach
[1:12:43] Speaker 7: and a meeting and.
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: We're trying to figure things out? There's nothing wrong with
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: trying to figure things out.
[1:12:48] Speaker 6: You playing better and have a confidence is different than
[1:12:52] Speaker 6: figuring out where your role is in the team.
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: I don't have confidence because I don't know my role. Yes,
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: thank you. That's what I'm saying.
[1:12:58] Speaker 3: So now that you know your role, you can handle
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: your own confidence. Okay, what's this role? Our box role
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: is the starting point guard.
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You guys previously said superstar, right? Yes. Well,
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: I did. I did. I can't stay on that. I'm
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: not going to stay on that hill. I'm not going
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: to die on that hill right now. I'm going to
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: come down on that hill. I'm coming down off that hill.
[1:13:22] Speaker 1: He's not performing like that right now.
[1:13:26] Speaker 6: You can't say you're going to go to everybody that's
[1:13:28] Speaker 6: supposed to be who they are and say, I got
[1:13:30] Speaker 6: to give you confidence to be who you are.
[1:13:32] Speaker 4: But what's wrong with giving somebody confidence?
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: Nothing's wrong with it, my nigga. That's what I'm saying.
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: Y'all acting like he's fragile. If I'm down in a hole,
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: I'm going.
[1:13:41] Speaker 4: Three for 16, three games, and this motherfucker balling much,
[1:13:45] Speaker 4: my minutes go up and down.
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck going on. You do
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: know what's going on. I do know what's going on.
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: You know exactly what's going on. He's outplaying you. It's
[1:13:52] Speaker 1: the other star. He's outplaying you. Like, you know exactly
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: what's going on. That young boy's outplaying you. Okay, I
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: have a down game.
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: Just overall, that young boy's outplaying you. That young boy's
[1:14:02] Speaker 3: outplaying him. You're exaggerating, though.
[1:14:05] Speaker 6: Why are you going to the extreme? That's not what's happening.
[1:14:08] Speaker 6: What's happening is he's had a bad playoff.
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: Bitch and Fox. We not saying Vince Fox, bro. We
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: just said Star Harper.
[1:14:17] Speaker 6: We didn't just say that. I said play him more,
[1:14:23] Speaker 6: especially down the stretch.
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: Because in that particular game that we're speaking of, De'Aaron
[1:14:27] Speaker 3: Fox wasn't having the best game.
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: He played 11 games.
[1:14:30] Speaker 3: I'm saying, but in that game, game one, though, Nick,
[1:14:34] Speaker 3: that game, right? That game that they just played yesterday.
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: But he haven't had one.
[1:14:38] Speaker 3: He wasn't having a decent game in game one. The
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: young boy is playing better.
[1:14:44] Speaker 1: 16 points. But he's been doing that this whole playoff.
[1:14:47] Speaker 3: In this game, Dylan Harper deserves to play more in
[1:14:50] Speaker 3: the fourth quarter.
[1:14:51] Speaker 1: That's all he's saying. That's all.
[1:14:53] Speaker 3: And I ain't got to come to you with no
[1:14:55] Speaker 3: confidence talk because you know that you are free for whatever.
[1:14:58] Speaker 4: But it don't matter if Harper plays bad or good.
[1:15:01] Speaker 4: He gets the same praise. Yeah, because he's second pick
[1:15:03] Speaker 4: in the draft. He's still supposed to move.
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: Out the way. Why is it about praise? Why is
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: it about praise, though? Because you know what?
[1:15:09] Speaker 4: How the fuck do I keep coming to the arena
[1:15:12] Speaker 4: every day, busting my ass, but no matter how this
[1:15:14] Speaker 4: guy plays, I got to move out the way.
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: That's all people say. Move out the way.
[1:15:18] Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question?
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: He fucking turned the ball over three times. Why do
[1:15:23] Speaker 1: you do that? Why do you do that? When you
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: were a rookie, were you allowed to make mistakes?
[1:15:33] Speaker 6: Were you allowed to learn.
[1:15:37] Speaker 1: Trial by fire? Not in the playoffs. How long did
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: y'all was? Trial by fire, right? They put you out there, right?
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: I didn't have that opportunity.
[1:15:45] Speaker 3: And people expected the rookie. Listen, as a rookie, people
[1:15:48] Speaker 3: expected you to make rookie mistakes, right?
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: As De'Aaron Fox is a veteran.
[1:15:55] Speaker 3: In this league now, on this stage, His lease, whatever,
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: for fans is shorter. People expect him to play better
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: on this stage.
[1:16:06] Speaker 1: 100%.
[1:16:07] Speaker 3: It just so happens that the Spurs had the second
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: pick in the draft last year, and they picked this
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: really good basketball player.
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: Young or not. And that's playing great in these playoffs. Facts.
[1:16:21] Speaker 1: which they can't do no more.
[1:16:22] Speaker 3: It's unfortunate for him right now. But it's a good
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: thing for the team that.
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: They have to lean on.
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: And what we're saying is yesterday, Miss Johnson should have.
[1:16:33] Speaker 1: Leaned on that. For the team's sake. And it probably
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: would have been a different outcome. A hundred percent.
[1:16:39] Speaker 5: No.
[1:16:40] Speaker 1: For the team's sake?
[1:16:41] Speaker 3: De'Aaron Fox don't need to go and say shit to
[1:16:44] Speaker 3: De'Aaron Fox about confidence.
[1:16:45] Speaker 6: Because he's supposed to automatically know what we're doing.
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: We got to have a conversation. Let's talk about the game.
[1:16:53] Speaker 1: Let's talk about the game.
[1:16:54] Speaker 4: We're doing that and he's got to report.
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: We're doing that before the game.
[1:17:00] Speaker 4: I've seen times when in the playoffs when Klay was
[1:17:04] Speaker 4: having a bad stretch. What Steve Kerr do? We going
[1:17:08] Speaker 4: to Klay. We building his confidence up. We going to Klay.
[1:17:10] Speaker 4: First three plays in the game. We making a point
[1:17:13] Speaker 4: to make Klay.
[1:17:14] Speaker 1: Because we need Klay.
[1:17:16] Speaker 6: We know we don't win without Klay.
[1:17:19] Speaker 3: And the same coach started Brandon Pajinsky.
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: Later on. But at the moment, we need that. It
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: needs finals. Clay was going to shoot that bitch no
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: matter what. Nah, it's all right. He was struggling, but
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: guess what he was doing? Still putting it up. Firing
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: that motherfucker. Every time he caught it. He knew he
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: was struggling. And when he missed his head now. Did
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: he not know he was struggling?
[1:17:39] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. you shoot yourself out the slum
[1:17:42] Speaker 3: I don't need nobody you're just making it worse bringing
[1:17:46] Speaker 3: the attention to it I think you're just making it
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: worse and more pressure on me you coming to talk
[1:17:50] Speaker 3: to me about it you putting more pressure on me
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: if I keep playing bad after the.
[1:17:56] Speaker 1: Conversation now it look like.
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: I'm really good now I'm looking over my shoulder now
[1:18:00] Speaker 3: I'm starting to wonder what.
[1:18:02] Speaker 2: The fuck is next then you still get benched for
[1:18:04] Speaker 2: Brandon then you.
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: Still eventually get benched for the guy then I'm better
[1:18:08] Speaker 1: than him.
[1:18:09] Speaker 5: Just a quick point about Dylan Harper. He is young,
[1:18:13] Speaker 5: and he will turn it over in big moments. And
[1:18:17] Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter at Oklahoma City last Saturday night,
[1:18:21] Speaker 5: he had two huge turnovers that reopened the door twice.
[1:18:26] Speaker 5: And the one was the one that Hartenstein took off
[1:18:30] Speaker 5: with and should have and one dunked it on Cornette,
[1:18:33] Speaker 5: and Cornette blocked it at the rim. But that was
[1:18:36] Speaker 5: the Dylan Harper loopy pass thing. Up to Wendy, I
[1:18:39] Speaker 5: think it was, that he took off with. So if
[1:18:44] Speaker 5: you're going to go with him to close a game,
[1:18:47] Speaker 5: he is highly capable of turning it over in big moments,
[1:18:51] Speaker 5: and that's what Mitch Johnson does not want.
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: Listen, for one, he don't turn it over more than
[1:18:56] Speaker 3: number five. That's for damn sure. He don't turn that
[1:19:00] Speaker 3: bitch over more than council. I'm just saying, he don't
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: turn it over. Castle had more turnovers in the game
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: than Dylan Harper had in his playoffs.
[1:19:08] Speaker 5: I understand.
[1:19:09] Speaker 1: So, therefore, I'm going to live with those mistakes. Okay.
[1:19:13] Speaker 1: And that's a young fella.
[1:19:16] Speaker 3: But again, that's a conversation in a film watch. Be like, hey,
[1:19:21] Speaker 3: young fella, in this situation, X, Y, Z, A, B, 1, 2, 3, right?
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: But it's not a confidence conversation.
[1:19:28] Speaker 2: All right, but I'm going to say it again.
[1:19:33] Speaker 5: Dylan Harper had a turnover in the fourth quarter last night,
[1:19:36] Speaker 5: and then he had another one on the fan play,
[1:19:39] Speaker 5: and they let him get away with it.
[1:19:41] Speaker 6: Okay, but you're talking about the negative thing, right? Let's
[1:19:43] Speaker 6: talk about the positive thing. With three minutes and 46 seconds,
[1:19:46] Speaker 6: that three-pointer to put us up 12 against the Oklahoma
[1:19:50] Speaker 6: City Thunder.
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: He did. With three minutes to go. This was after
[1:19:53] Speaker 1: the turnovers. After the turnovers.
[1:19:56] Speaker 5: Line drive threes. They get off the ground like 10 feet.
[1:19:59] Speaker 6: But you're talking about taking a chance on a number
[1:20:01] Speaker 6: two pick, freshman out of college, and he's delivering based
[1:20:05] Speaker 6: on you expecting him to make rookie mistakes, like he
[1:20:08] Speaker 6: just said.
[1:20:09] Speaker 1: Okay. He's going to turn the ball over, but guess
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: what he does? He makes up for it. Okay.
[1:20:14] Speaker 6: That's what you expect him to do.
[1:20:15] Speaker 5: What he has over Fox is he's a good two
[1:20:18] Speaker 5: inches taller. He's 6'5. He doesn't play 6'5 to your
[1:20:23] Speaker 5: eye to me, but when he takes somebody down low,
[1:20:26] Speaker 5: he's got all this stuff that, you know, he's got genius,
[1:20:29] Speaker 5: like kid genius down under the basket where— He's taller
[1:20:33] Speaker 5: than you think, and he can get it up over
[1:20:34] Speaker 5: you faster than you think. So I give you that.
[1:20:38] Speaker 5: But if you're trying to hang in and hang on,
[1:20:41] Speaker 5: Mitch Johnson is thinking De'Aaron Fox has clothes. Do you
[1:20:45] Speaker 5: remember De'Aaron Fox in his sack days against your Lakers?
[1:20:48] Speaker 5: I mean, he was a Laker killer. Fourth quarters, third quarters.
[1:20:54] Speaker 5: And Mitch Johnson is saying, I got to go with
[1:20:58] Speaker 5: who got us here. He was the clutch player of
[1:21:01] Speaker 5: the year in 2023. What about the layup? Dylan Harper
[1:21:04] Speaker 5: made the layup underneath the basket.
[1:21:07] Speaker 6: Clutch in the fourth quarter, maybe two minutes to go.
[1:21:17] Speaker 6: This was a bucket that we needed desperately.
[1:21:20] Speaker 1: Oh, I give you that.
[1:21:21] Speaker 5: Right?
[1:21:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. They took him out of the game.
[1:21:23] Speaker 5: They did.
[1:21:24] Speaker 6: So when you have someone who can do that, then
[1:21:27] Speaker 6: you take him out of the game. That's a coaching
[1:21:29] Speaker 6: decision based on who you got on the bench. De'Aaron,
[1:21:32] Speaker 6: come in. Let's take us home. Let's see what you
[1:21:34] Speaker 6: can do.
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: But you're three for 13. I understand.
[1:21:37] Speaker 3: So your point, right? And to both of you guys' point, right?
[1:21:41] Speaker 3: That's why you coach each individual game, right?
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: You do.
[1:21:44] Speaker 3: You coach each– listen, it's each quarter in the finals.
[1:21:47] Speaker 3: In the playoffs, and especially in the finals, you coach
[1:21:50] Speaker 3: each quarter, each time out. Like, it ain't like I'm
[1:21:53] Speaker 3: sticking with who got me here at this point, right?
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: Like, no, at this point, trust me, dog.
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: You go with what's supposed to– what's going to get
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: the job done right.
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: Because you adjusting every time. Darren Fox is struggling at
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: this point.
[1:22:08] Speaker 3: We know it. Dylan Harper, hey, you, hey, did he
[1:22:12] Speaker 3: got the stat sheet over there? Somebody told, hey, you
[1:22:15] Speaker 3: look at it at halftime. He saw when he first
[1:22:16] Speaker 3: came out.
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah. I was a little
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: bit like, yeah.
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: Dylan Harper got 10 at halftime. He did a good job.
[1:22:23] Speaker 3: So the assistant, he made a little huddle in the,
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: Timeouts in.
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: A little auto. I'm pretty sure one of the assistant
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: coaches was like, you probably want to get D-Hart back
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: in there. You might want to get that energy back.
[1:22:33] Speaker 1: We need that energy back in there.
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: And then he made that decision that he didn't want to.
[1:22:37] Speaker 3: That's the conversation that's in them huddles that he went
[1:22:39] Speaker 3: to get.
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: And he can hit the shots.
[1:22:40] Speaker 3: My thing is you got to coach each timeout, each quarter,
[1:22:44] Speaker 3: each half. It's different being a starter. You got to
[1:22:46] Speaker 3: coach that to win. I don't think in that particular moment.
[1:22:50] Speaker 1: It's different being a starter than coming off the bench.
[1:22:53] Speaker 5: Okay, and one other quick point to you about Jordan,
[1:22:56] Speaker 5: because I was there in 98, Jordan and Rodman.
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:23:01] Speaker 5: Okay, remember, Michael didn't go... go get him to try
[1:23:04] Speaker 5: to get him to play better, like I need you
[1:23:06] Speaker 5: to play better. He went to get him because he'd
[1:23:09] Speaker 5: gone completely AWOL, out of his mind, over the edge.
[1:23:12] Speaker 5: He just needed him to play, period, right? Like he
[1:23:16] Speaker 5: didn't have to go give him a pep talk. He
[1:23:18] Speaker 5: went and took him by the throat and said, you
[1:23:21] Speaker 5: are going to come play whatever game it was, right?
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: We want to win. Because he was being fragile. No, no,
[1:23:28] Speaker 1: he was being Dennis. He missed the work. Dennis. Listen,
[1:23:31] Speaker 1: you ain't going to fuck up my championship. You're not
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: going to fuck this up. You're not going to fuck
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: up my championship. You're not going to fuck up my championship.
[1:23:39] Speaker 1: What's the difference? What's the difference? They both went and
[1:23:42] Speaker 1: grabbed both by the neck, basically.
[1:23:45] Speaker 6: One of them is a two-time champion already, bro. The
[1:23:49] Speaker 6: other one ain't never been here before. You look a
[1:23:52] Speaker 6: little bright-eyed. I need you, Power White. And they all
[1:23:57] Speaker 6: talked about practice, how they challenged each other in practice.
[1:24:00] Speaker 3: Hey, listen, just hear me out. I don't want to
[1:24:02] Speaker 3: throw shots at him, but he was a very skilled
[1:24:04] Speaker 3: basketball player.
[1:24:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, he was very skilled. Two-time NBA champ.
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: But we, as bigs around the league, we thought the
[1:24:12] Speaker 3: ticket wasn't all the way together.
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: You can go at him, Paul. There was a synopsis
[1:24:17] Speaker 1: around him.
[1:24:18] Speaker 3: I'm telling you, very skilled.
[1:24:20] Speaker 1: Paul is skilled.
[1:24:22] Speaker 3: But the synopsis amongst bigs, if you have the conversation
[1:24:25] Speaker 3: with us fours.
[1:24:26] Speaker 1: And fives, then you hit him early and often. Mm-hmm.
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: he going to defer? Bark at him.
[1:24:33] Speaker 3: So that was the synopsis. So Cole went to this
[1:24:36] Speaker 3: man and be like.
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: Hey, I need you to be a dog. He was fragile.
[1:24:40] Speaker 3: Folkwood people think, use your skill again. You ain't got
[1:24:42] Speaker 3: to be that, but your skill is enough.
[1:24:45] Speaker 1: Being fragile, guys.
[1:24:46] Speaker 3: That ain't what the conversation Michael Jordan had with Dennis Rodgers.
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: No. He didn't need to have that. But I need
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: to go grab you because we got to win this.
[1:24:54] Speaker 1: Should that be worse? Because you're being reckless. Okay, you're
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: being reckless and I got to get you. That's not fragile.
[1:24:59] Speaker 1: Should that be even worse? That's not fragile. Reckless is
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: not fragile.
[1:25:01] Speaker 4: That a fragile person won two championships on y'all?
[1:25:04] Speaker 3: No, listen.
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: What'd you say? That should be worse.
[1:25:06] Speaker 4: That somebody fragile won two championships on y'all.
[1:25:09] Speaker 1: And I still got to.
[1:25:09] Speaker 7: Go grab you by the neck and you acting like
[1:25:11] Speaker 7: you don't know what time it is.
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: What now? He won two frags. He won two championships.
[1:25:15] Speaker 3: There's a lot of fragile people.
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: But the major part. No, y'all saying Paul Gasol was fragile.
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: There's a lot of fragile people. Because Kobe got him tough. Yeah,
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: they saying. He had the conversation. Yeah, that's what they're saying.
[1:25:25] Speaker 1: They're saying. Kobe got him tough. He got the confidence.
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: He gave him confidence. What you just said, what Mike
[1:25:30] Speaker 1: Brown did with Cat. When he got traded, they went
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: to the finals.
[1:25:33] Speaker 6: Bro, what you just said that Cat needed with Mike
[1:25:36] Speaker 6: Brown to understand his role to have him play better.
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: Kobe had the same conversation with.
[1:25:42] Speaker 3: Paul to say, listen, in order for us to win,
[1:25:45] Speaker 3: you need to beat the first year he got there.
[1:25:46] Speaker 1: They didn't go to the finals. He made them tough.
[1:25:50] Speaker 1: He helped his confidence. Like you said, you need confidence.
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: He helped it. I believe that. That's what I'm saying.
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: I have a secret, y'all. What's the problem? I have
[1:25:57] Speaker 1: a secret.
[1:25:58] Speaker 3: I have a secret I want to share.
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: Everybody cover their mind.
[1:26:02] Speaker 3: I got a secret. The year that we're speaking of
[1:26:05] Speaker 3: that This happened in 2009, 2010, the year they won it.
[1:26:11] Speaker 3: You know who they had to play against to get there?
[1:26:15] Speaker 1: Who, y'all? Denver?
[1:26:16] Speaker 3: The Denver Nuggets.
[1:26:17] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
[1:26:18] Speaker 3: So I'm speaking on facts here, man.
[1:26:20] Speaker 1: So it's like. No, no, I'm not. No, no, no, no.
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: I'm not saying that like he doesn't. But we knew what.
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: That's got to report.
[1:26:27] Speaker 3: Nene and all of us, we knew.
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: Be tough, Weedy. What the assignment was. Okay, yeah, so
[1:26:33] Speaker 1: be tough on him. That guy over there, we know
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: what he was going to do. Okay.
[1:26:37] Speaker 3: Kobe being Bryant, we knew that it was a tall task.
[1:26:41] Speaker 3: Their second best player is Paul Gasol.
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: Yes. Right? Yes. We're going to take it out on him. Yep,
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: take him out of the game. Let Bean do what
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: he do. We got to double him. We're going to
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: beat this guy up. Okay. Lamar, you got to show up.
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: Lamar got to play, but we know what L.O. is
[1:26:59] Speaker 1: going to do. Was Bynum there too? No. Was he
[1:27:02] Speaker 1: there that first year? Him. I know Bob said he was.
[1:27:04] Speaker 3: Behind him there. He might have been there. They didn't
[1:27:06] Speaker 3: need scoring and they needed that skill set that Paul
[1:27:08] Speaker 3: Gasol brought.
[1:27:09] Speaker 1: Passing and all that.
[1:27:10] Speaker 3: They didn't need him to waver and be out there
[1:27:12] Speaker 3: just shooting jump shots. You know what I'm saying? So
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: that was the conversation. Confidence conversation. Be confident out there.
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: We know they're there, but fuck them. Face his ass up.
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: Go to your shit. Don't worry about all that. It
[1:27:29] Speaker 1: worked then. Fox don't need that. Fox is not going
[1:27:39] Speaker 1: through a I'm soft baby.
[1:27:40] Speaker 6: He's going through be what you're supposed to be.
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: Like you just.
[1:27:44] Speaker 6: Said, if you're the NBA club, be club.
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: That was three years ago.
[1:27:49] Speaker 6: That was three years ago.
[1:27:51] Speaker 7: So when Dennis won his rings, you out here acting reckless,
[1:27:53] Speaker 7: now I got to come grab you?
[1:27:54] Speaker 1: Come on, you know what time it is. You know
[1:27:57] Speaker 1: what time it is. You've been an NBA champ. Why
[1:27:59] Speaker 1: I got to come get you? You know what time
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: it is. I'm a champ, man. I'm cool. I'm chilling.
[1:28:02] Speaker 1: I'm in Vegas. He loves to work. It's snowing out here.
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: I'm going out here. Hey, Mike. Hey, listen. I hear you.
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: I'm going to be there. I trust you. I'm going
[1:28:09] Speaker 1: to come. I'm going to fuck with you. 48 hours.
[1:28:11] Speaker 1: I'm going to smell like a brewery, but I'm going
[1:28:13] Speaker 1: to be there. I had to come grab both of y'all.
[1:28:15] Speaker 1: I need 48 hours.
[1:28:16] Speaker 6: You don't need to see how Austin had that confidence.
[1:28:18] Speaker 6: I don't see how he doesn't need to step up
[1:28:20] Speaker 6: to the moment. Giving a player confidence is fragile.
[1:28:22] Speaker 1: That young boy behind him is putting that pressure on, man. Oh, yes.
[1:28:25] Speaker 7: That's what's making it a little bit uncomfortable.
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: I don't need you. I don't need to be no confidence.
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: Why don't it? The pressure is there. Listen, why don't it?
[1:28:35] Speaker 1: You know these young boys playing well. Because we're in
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: the finals, Nick. They were in the finals.
[1:28:39] Speaker 4: But y'all can say Paul Gasol was in the Western
[1:28:41] Speaker 4: Conference finals or the finals.
[1:28:43] Speaker 6: No, he did this when he got there, bro.
[1:28:46] Speaker 1: In 2009, 2010, bro.
[1:28:46] Speaker 6: They had to have the conversation before.
[1:28:50] Speaker 1: Remember in 2008, he had to run through them in
[1:28:53] Speaker 1: the Olympics. But it works, though. If it works. Some
[1:28:57] Speaker 1: people need that, Nick. During the course of the season, Nick.
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: I agree with you. Some dudes need that. Yes. But.
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: You got even Blake in no confidence. Did we not?
[1:29:08] Speaker 1: That's in the playoffs. Against Memphis, remember? It's Blake. It's
[1:29:12] Speaker 1: Blake Fragile. But I'm just saying. It's Blake Fragile. Do
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: it work, though. If you're shrinking and you need confidence,
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: you obviously need it. It works, though. It's Blake Fragile.
[1:29:20] Speaker 1: It works.
[1:29:21] Speaker 3: No, he don't want to.
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: Fucking do that shit all the time. He don't hear.
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: But you're calling somebody fragile, but they still win, though.
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: Because Saul, you said fragile, two-time MVP. Both things can exist.
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: Both things can exist, Nick. Two-time champion.
[1:29:30] Speaker 4: Both things can exist. Averages 20 and 12.
[1:29:44] Speaker 6: Someone injected confidence in him because he wasn't ready for
[1:29:48] Speaker 6: the moment.
[1:29:49] Speaker 1: Old things can exist, Nick. What you mean? You can
[1:29:51] Speaker 1: be a winner.
[1:29:53] Speaker 4: Ain't nothing soft about giving your player confidence. If you
[1:29:56] Speaker 4: see him down, if he's struggling right now, what's wrong
[1:29:59] Speaker 4: with going up to your mans and uplifting them?
[1:30:02] Speaker 1: We're not saying there ain't nothing wrong with it. We
[1:30:06] Speaker 1: just don't need it. That ain't his problem. That's not
[1:30:08] Speaker 1: his problem. So what's the stage? All right, all right.
[1:30:11] Speaker 7: So you're saying that nobody can... like should help him.
[1:30:14] Speaker 7: But what's the difference between when P.J. Tucker was playing
[1:30:16] Speaker 7: with the Bucs and he was the main guy giving
[1:30:18] Speaker 7: everybody confidence?
[1:30:19] Speaker 6: We're not saying nobody should help him. We're saying you
[1:30:21] Speaker 6: don't need it.
[1:30:23] Speaker 7: But being a leader, like being a leadership, like P.J. Tucker,
[1:30:27] Speaker 7: he wasn't the best player on the team, but his
[1:30:29] Speaker 7: voice and everything around him was.
[1:30:31] Speaker 1: The reason why they had confidence. That didn't exude confidence.
[1:30:34] Speaker 6: So y'all think Fox don't got confidence out there right now?
[1:30:37] Speaker 1: There's no leader out there to help him.
[1:30:39] Speaker 6: I'm asking a question. Y'all don't think that Fox is
[1:30:41] Speaker 6: playing with confidence?
[1:30:42] Speaker 1: No, he don't. He can't be the leader. Is Fox
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: playing with confidence? He is playing. I don't feel like.
[1:30:49] Speaker 1: You don't feel like he's playing with confidence?
[1:30:50] Speaker 7: But I'm just saying, it's just certain guys on teams that, yes, okay,
[1:30:53] Speaker 7: Robert Ory, he was the big voice up in the
[1:30:55] Speaker 7: locker room when Shaq was winning championships.
[1:30:56] Speaker 1: He's a role player.
[1:30:57] Speaker 7: These are guys who can, just because you're a role player,
[1:31:00] Speaker 7: you can still talk to the stars.
[1:31:02] Speaker 1: We're not saying that you're not talking to them. That
[1:31:04] Speaker 1: ain't what they're saying. But that's talking and conversations. That's
[1:31:07] Speaker 1: all building confidence.
[1:31:09] Speaker 6: What he's saying is in this moment of the finals,
[1:31:12] Speaker 6: this moment is big enough for you to develop your
[1:31:15] Speaker 6: own self-confidence and be ready for this moment, man.
[1:31:18] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:31:19] Speaker 7: So if that was Giannis last night and P.J. Tucker
[1:31:23] Speaker 7: came to the locker room, he's going to shoot everybody
[1:31:25] Speaker 7: out and also Giannis.
[1:31:26] Speaker 1: And Giannis is going to understand that. But that ain't
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: giving confidence, Nick. Yes, it is. I'm telling you what
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: confidence is. That ain't giving confidence. Right. My leadership? That's accountability.
[1:31:36] Speaker 1: That's accountability. Like, come on, we need you. Come on, man.
[1:31:39] Speaker 1: Y'all act like we never been in the locker room.
[1:31:41] Speaker 3: And the way he just said, that's holding people accountable.
[1:31:45] Speaker 7: And leadership and giving confidence at the same time.
[1:31:48] Speaker 6: Y'all saying about the cat shit, you saying that Mike
[1:31:50] Speaker 6: Brown had a side conversation to give cat confidence in
[1:31:54] Speaker 6: the role he's playing for the team.
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: Y'all moving the goalposts around now. It's the same thing.
[1:31:59] Speaker 2: No, it's not.
[1:32:00] Speaker 6: It's clearly not the same thing because Mitch Johnson don't
[1:32:03] Speaker 6: need to take De'Aaron Fox and take him to the
[1:32:06] Speaker 6: side and be like, listen, man, I need you to
[1:32:08] Speaker 6: play better, man.
[1:32:09] Speaker 1: I need you to do this.
[1:32:10] Speaker 6: De'Aaron knows he needs to play better.
[1:32:14] Speaker 1: He knows he's not playing well. He knows that the
[1:32:16] Speaker 1: shots are going to go down at some point. He
[1:32:18] Speaker 1: just needs to keep playing.
[1:32:20] Speaker 4: Come to him and be like, listen, we need you
[1:32:22] Speaker 4: to play better.
[1:32:23] Speaker 1: We need you to have a shot to win. Nobody
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: talks like that. I don't think they need to tell him.
[1:32:27] Speaker 1: But nobody talks. Come on, man.
[1:32:28] Speaker 7: We're talking about a real conversation between a coach and
[1:32:31] Speaker 7: a player. We're breaking down the game. We're talking about...
[1:32:34] Speaker 7: We're not saying, hey, bro.
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: Play better so we can... No, come on, man. We've
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: been in locker rooms. That's why I need more clarification.
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: But y'all know what I'm talking about. The examples that
[1:32:42] Speaker 1: y'all are giving... It's the same thing for Mike Brown.
[1:32:45] Speaker 1: Like he said.
[1:32:47] Speaker 3: the example you just gave, it's holding guys, P.J.
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: Brown, I mean, P.J.
[1:32:51] Speaker 3: Tucker coming in, that's holding guys accountable. That's not exuding
[1:32:55] Speaker 3: confidence in guys.
[1:32:57] Speaker 1: It's not. Because you're going.
[1:32:59] Speaker 6: To self-accountability after we finish, we're looking at ourselves like, you're.
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: Just talking about one thing. You're just talking about accountability.
[1:33:06] Speaker 7: If I'm going to do accountability, I'm going to do everything. Accountability, leadership,
[1:33:09] Speaker 7: I'm going to talk.
[1:33:09] Speaker 1: About all the things in one. In one. So that means, yo, bro,
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: I know you down, but we got you. Don't worry
[1:33:16] Speaker 1: about it.
[1:33:16] Speaker 7: Yo, Nothing's wrong with that.
[1:33:20] Speaker 6: But that is not the same as Mike Brown having
[1:33:24] Speaker 6: a side fucking conversation with fucking Kat.
[1:33:27] Speaker 1: It's not the same thing, bro.
[1:33:28] Speaker 6: Y'all talk about a leader in the locker room having
[1:33:31] Speaker 6: a group discussion saying, hey.
[1:33:33] Speaker 1: Man, we need one of you. That's different than, hey, Ms. Johnson,
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: you need to go have a side conversation with De'Aaron
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: Fox and give him confidence. Well, hey, man.
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[1:34:52] Speaker 2: There is something else from the finals we need to
[1:34:53] Speaker 2: discuss briefly. A controversial moment in the fourth quarter that
[1:34:57] Speaker 2: had Wimby and Mitchell Robinson in disbelief. Let's take a
[1:35:01] Speaker 2: look at the video if we can, please. So midway
[1:35:03] Speaker 2: through the final frame, fan decided to run onto the
[1:35:06] Speaker 2: court during game action and take a selfie with the
[1:35:08] Speaker 2: alien in the midst of a turnover, Swaggy.
[1:35:10] Speaker 1: Play was ruled a jump ball.
[1:35:11] Speaker 2: Both Wimby and Mitchell Robinson appeared To strike a pose
[1:35:14] Speaker 2: for the camera, you can see Wimby appears to crack
[1:35:16] Speaker 2: a smile. Mitchell Robinson gave the fuck face. Both looked
[1:35:20] Speaker 2: at the camera, though, to try and get into the flick.
[1:35:25] Speaker 2: After the game, Wimby was asked about the moment and
[1:35:27] Speaker 2: had this response.
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: What was going through your head, and did you smile
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: for the picture? I've never been in that situation. I
[1:35:34] Speaker 1: didn't know how to act.
[1:35:38] Speaker 9: It really surprised me almost as much as that time
[1:35:40] Speaker 9: where a bat crashed the court.
[1:35:43] Speaker 2: Wimby, very surprised, did manage to smile for the selfie.
[1:35:47] Speaker 2: But here's the fans' POV of the moment. That video
[1:35:50] Speaker 2: dropped on the internet today.
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: Oh, this is hard. That's hard, bro. Attention! Attention! He
[1:36:05] Speaker 1: didn't even get him.
[1:36:05] Speaker 4: Wimby!
[1:36:10] Speaker 2: So as you may have noticed, was not able to
[1:36:13] Speaker 2: actually get Wimby in the selfie. Mitchell Robinson also not
[1:36:17] Speaker 2: actively features. The fan and the second individual involved in
[1:36:20] Speaker 2: the incident received.
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: A lifetime ban from the league. Damn. Lifetime ban.
[1:36:25] Speaker 2: You can never go back to an NBA game for
[1:36:26] Speaker 2: the rest of your life.
[1:36:28] Speaker 1: The hell you mean life? The hell you mean life?
[1:36:31] Speaker 2: Hell no, I ain't doing no life. Does the name
[1:36:32] Speaker 2: Bucky Johnson mean anything to you, Swaggy?
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: Back to myself.
[1:36:36] Speaker 2: What's your reaction to the fan running on the court
[1:36:38] Speaker 2: during the game to try and take a selfie with Wimby?
[1:36:43] Speaker 1: Oh, no, I want to hear Brandon. Does the fan
[1:36:47] Speaker 1: need a pep talk?
[1:36:48] Speaker 7: No, I just hate stuff like that because things like
[1:36:50] Speaker 7: that changes the game, just the momentum, just the way
[1:36:54] Speaker 7: things go, and it's the finals. I know everybody wants
[1:36:58] Speaker 7: to go viral and get their moment, but, I mean,
[1:37:01] Speaker 7: people are just always trying to get some attention.
[1:37:04] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not really a fan of that. You
[1:37:05] Speaker 1: don't like that? No.
[1:37:08] Speaker 7: Especially when it's the biggest moments of somebody's career and game. No, like, let's...
[1:37:14] Speaker 7: Sit down and have some Medicaid and watch the game.
[1:37:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it when the football players take matters
[1:37:19] Speaker 3: into their own hands when they do it in the NFL.
[1:37:21] Speaker 2: So you're not posing for the flick with the fans?
[1:37:25] Speaker 3: You're running up on me the wrong way, dude. You
[1:37:27] Speaker 3: know what it is.
[1:37:30] Speaker 1: Gee, boo.
[1:37:32] Speaker 3: You run up on that court, you're in my work environment.
[1:37:36] Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. I like it. Good
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: for ratings. You're talking about content, right? We were talking
[1:37:42] Speaker 1: about it right now. This is a content world.
[1:37:46] Speaker 7: Nobody never ran on the court when Mike was in
[1:37:49] Speaker 7: the finals.
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: This ain't the same world. This is a different world
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: right now.
[1:37:54] Speaker 6: That makes the fans want to watch more. Somebody just
[1:37:58] Speaker 6: ran on the damn court. It's just like anything else
[1:38:01] Speaker 6: you see.
[1:38:02] Speaker 1: They do it all the time, man. No, man, you
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: do that in a crucial moment, bro.
[1:38:08] Speaker 7: First of all, that was a turnover on Harper, right?
[1:38:10] Speaker 5: It was.
[1:38:11] Speaker 1: That's how many people missed it.
[1:38:13] Speaker 3: Like, damn, what happened?
[1:38:14] Speaker 5: Right?
[1:38:14] Speaker 1: I was happy they showed it. I missed it. What time? Oh, shit. Normally,
[1:38:18] Speaker 1: they'll cut away, not show replays. Somebody going to do
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: it in New York. What? ABC appeared to embrace the moment.
[1:38:23] Speaker 1: I ain't paid to do it. No, you're not.
[1:38:25] Speaker 3: Nobody doing that shit.
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: No, you're not. Because whoever do that and you cost
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: the Knicks a.
[1:38:28] Speaker 3: No, they're not doing that shit in the garden. Trust me.
[1:38:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:38:31] Speaker 3: And if you do, listen, them New York security is
[1:38:34] Speaker 3: a lot rougher than they hounded you right there.
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: I can tell you that shit.
[1:38:36] Speaker 3: Look how they did, Charles. Look how they carried Charles
[1:38:38] Speaker 3: Oakley out of that motherfucker.
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: And I was there. I was on the bed. I
[1:38:41] Speaker 1: saw dildos on court. Come on, man. They're doing everything.
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: Green dildos on the WB. People doing everything for attention.
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: For attention. This is an attention-driven society right now. That
[1:38:52] Speaker 1: shit was... It's.
[1:38:54] Speaker 2: Okay to throw a green dildo on the WNBA court.
[1:38:58] Speaker 1: That's hilarious. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. That's funny. No,
[1:39:02] Speaker 1: it's not. That's hilarious. No, it ain't. That's the funniest
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: shit in the world. And then she pick it up.
[1:39:06] Speaker 1: Then she pick it up, man. Is this mine? That's
[1:39:18] Speaker 1: not the same because you don't know if that person
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: crazy or not.
[1:39:20] Speaker 6: Is this where you get this love?
[1:39:21] Speaker 1: A person and throwing a toy.
[1:39:23] Speaker 2: But if they're screaming Wimby, they may be a fan.
[1:39:25] Speaker 2: That's why Wimby appeared to smile. San Antonio. It's in
[1:39:28] Speaker 2: San Antonio.
[1:39:29] Speaker 1: He was waiting for that moment.
[1:39:30] Speaker 3: Y'all remember the situation a few years ago in Denver
[1:39:32] Speaker 3: where the chick went on the court?
[1:39:35] Speaker 1: Nah.
[1:39:36] Speaker 3: Y'all remember that a few years ago? Maybe 2014, 2013,
[1:39:38] Speaker 3: the chick ran on the court. Look it up.
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: What'd she do? She ran after you?
[1:39:49] Speaker 3: She was looking for Kenyon.
[1:39:50] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Your work ran on court. That's different.
[1:39:53] Speaker 3: No, she had gone. I ain't never met this woman.
[1:39:57] Speaker 1: Oh. Mm-hmm.
[1:40:01] Speaker 5: So, Rashad, you want the flood to open now?
[1:40:05] Speaker 1: That ain't the floodgate.
[1:40:07] Speaker 3: That wasn't the floodgate.
[1:40:07] Speaker 5: Now you want every influencer to just start running onto
[1:40:11] Speaker 5: the floor?
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: No, that was just one. That was just one. No,
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: it's a copycat world. She said, where's Kenya? 2012, I believe.
[1:40:22] Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on.
[1:40:23] Speaker 2: A 2012 NBA playoff female fan walked on the court
[1:40:25] Speaker 2: during a game between the Nuggets and Lakers. She walked
[1:40:28] Speaker 2: towards Nuggets point guard Ty Lawson. While play was active,
[1:40:32] Speaker 2: prompting the referee to stop play was security apprehended her.
[1:40:35] Speaker 2: She asked, where's Kenyon? That was a moment of her life.
[1:40:41] Speaker 2: Did it feel good to just leave you appreciated enough
[1:40:43] Speaker 2: that a fan would interrupt the playoff game?
[1:40:46] Speaker 1: I was playing for the 2012. I was playing for
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: the Knicks. No, but where were you on the court?
[1:40:50] Speaker 1: I wasn't there. He's not here no more. I wasn't
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: in the room.
[1:40:53] Speaker 5: Oh, I thought you were.
[1:40:54] Speaker 1: I was playing for a different team. Where's Kenyon? You
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: left the last thing in? Yes, I wasn't there. Was
[1:41:02] Speaker 1: there some snow?
[1:41:04] Speaker 6: No, there's no snow nowhere to go.
[1:41:08] Speaker 1: They know not to say your name either. Don't you
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: be saying my name. The thing is, I never met her.
[1:41:15] Speaker 3: That's the thing about it.
[1:41:16] Speaker 1: I never met her. Yeah, we never met her, Ken.
[1:41:19] Speaker 1: You don't think I would say? You don't think I
[1:41:23] Speaker 1: would say? So skip let's shift over you covered.
[1:41:28] Speaker 3: A lot of final scene a lot of box. Yeah
[1:41:31] Speaker 3: Have you ever seen a situation quite like this in
[1:41:34] Speaker 3: the NBA finals?
[1:41:35] Speaker 4: What was your reaction to that fan trying to run
[1:41:37] Speaker 4: on the court to take a selfie with Wendy?
[1:41:52] Speaker 5: I don't remember this. I've seen it in regular season games.
[1:41:55] Speaker 5: And the big difference between your sport and the National
[1:41:59] Speaker 5: Football League is there are usually walls that you have
[1:42:02] Speaker 5: to jump over. So you have to make a real
[1:42:04] Speaker 5: effort to get on a football field. But to your point,
[1:42:07] Speaker 5: you will be punished by the people on the field
[1:42:10] Speaker 5: if you run on the field because they are going
[1:42:12] Speaker 5: to knock your little ass down before the security even
[1:42:17] Speaker 5: gets to you.
[1:42:18] Speaker 1: But I was.
[1:42:20] Speaker 5: I was slightly disappointed in the Spurs security. They were
[1:42:23] Speaker 5: a little slow on the draw, I thought, because it
[1:42:26] Speaker 5: happened and they just sort of got caught off guard.
[1:42:29] Speaker 5: And the reason it bothers me is that we do
[1:42:35] Speaker 5: live in two worlds. We got the social media world
[1:42:38] Speaker 5: and we got the, I'm just going to say it,
[1:42:40] Speaker 5: we got the terrorist world out there. And a lot
[1:42:42] Speaker 5: of people want us to go down and it's supposed
[1:42:46] Speaker 5: to be the last bastion of, protection is these games
[1:42:50] Speaker 5: and it's it's a big deal to all of us
[1:42:51] Speaker 5: and we all kind of live for these moments and
[1:42:55] Speaker 5: and it it's a threat where you're you're like within
[1:43:02] Speaker 5: reach of people in the first three rows and i
[1:43:06] Speaker 5: just think you have to send a really harsh message
[1:43:08] Speaker 5: and i know it's just a kid i don't know
[1:43:10] Speaker 5: how old the kid was but there are two of
[1:43:12] Speaker 5: them and you know and They were cahoots.
[1:43:17] Speaker 1: They were cahooting. Yeah.
[1:43:19] Speaker 5: And I think you've got to arrest and prosecute just
[1:43:23] Speaker 5: to send a message you can't. That's just me. And
[1:43:26] Speaker 5: I know they're banned for life.
[1:43:28] Speaker 1: Lifetime bans. They can't even go to Wizards games. They
[1:43:30] Speaker 1: can't go to lower tier games.
[1:43:31] Speaker 5: But the DA's office in San Antonio in Bexar County
[1:43:34] Speaker 5: said they couldn't comment yet because it's a juvenile. So
[1:43:38] Speaker 5: I don't know what you can do to the juvenile
[1:43:40] Speaker 5: so maybe you can't prosecute.
[1:43:42] Speaker 1: Ban them until he's 18. Slap on the wrist. Slap
[1:43:44] Speaker 1: on the wrist.
[1:43:45] Speaker 5: Yeah, and I know it's just like kid stuff, kid behavior,
[1:43:50] Speaker 5: but it just shakes me. I don't know.
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: You don't know how to act slow motion. Yeah, man.
[1:43:56] Speaker 3: And my thing is with bands, right, for life, right?
[1:44:00] Speaker 3: So they ban you from buying tickets. So my thing
[1:44:02] Speaker 3: is somebody, you can.
[1:44:04] Speaker 5: Oh, easy.
[1:44:04] Speaker 1: You can get to the arena, man.
[1:44:06] Speaker 3: If you want to go to a game, ain't nobody
[1:44:08] Speaker 3: looking for nobody sitting in section 317.
[1:44:10] Speaker 5: I don't think.
[1:44:12] Speaker 1: Like, I... So.
[1:44:14] Speaker 3: Everybody ain't got no facial recognition technology in every arena
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: where it's just going to flag your face. This ain't M.I.C.
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: Just going to put on some makeup.
[1:44:24] Speaker 4: It's not M.I.C.
[1:44:29] Speaker 1: And just dress in like somebody else. Or you come
[1:44:31] Speaker 1: to the game as a fanatic.
[1:44:32] Speaker 3: You didn't paint it your face and team color and
[1:44:34] Speaker 3: all it. How are they going to like this? Come on, man.
[1:44:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't stop throwing them dildos. That's what I'm saying.
[1:44:40] Speaker 3: So they were still getting the man, right?
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: The person went to the next game. Next game. Very
[1:44:45] Speaker 1: next game. Two of them. Double. Boom, boom. Red and green.
[1:44:51] Speaker 6: Double for the tracer.
[1:44:54] Speaker 1: Did they ever catch who did that? No. Nah. And
[1:44:57] Speaker 1: then they did it at the football game, too. They
[1:45:00] Speaker 1: went in the football game for no reason. Just green.
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: My thing is, you can't.
[1:45:05] Speaker 3: You heard the band. You can't implement it, I don't feel.
[1:45:10] Speaker 3: You don't have the technology.
[1:45:13] Speaker 1: Can't go to the Intuit Dome, I would imagine.
[1:45:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't go there because they got technology in
[1:45:17] Speaker 3: that joint. That's scary. Golden One was the one in
[1:45:24] Speaker 3: San Francisco. They got a lot of technology in that.
[1:45:26] Speaker 3: They got a lot of technology in that joint. Me
[1:45:30] Speaker 3: telling you, Guard, they're just fucking ancient as it can
[1:45:33] Speaker 3: possibly be.
[1:45:34] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:45:35] Speaker 2: Well, speaking of San Francisco and Warriors, let's shift over
[1:45:39] Speaker 2: to our favorite light-skinned guard. So Steph Curry, sneaker-free agent
[1:45:42] Speaker 2: for most of this season after ending his 13-year partnership
[1:45:45] Speaker 2: with Under Armour back in November. But earlier this week,
[1:45:48] Speaker 2: Curry announced he signed a 10-year endorsement contract with Chinese
[1:45:51] Speaker 2: sports apparel company Li Ning. So according to a report
[1:45:55] Speaker 2: by Shams, the deal is worth $ 400 million, with other
[1:45:58] Speaker 2: reports saying it could surpass a billion based on a
[1:46:00] Speaker 2: revenue-sharing agreement. The deal will include basketball products, athleisure lifestyle wear,
[1:46:06] Speaker 2: a full golf line, and the ability for Steph to
[1:46:08] Speaker 2: sign athletes under his brand. And Li Ning plans to
[1:46:11] Speaker 2: build Curry brand stores in the United States and in China. So, Mr. B,
[1:46:16] Speaker 2: we'll start with you as a former member of Under
[1:46:19] Speaker 2: Armour with Steph. Big advocate for Curry brand. We've done
[1:46:22] Speaker 2: collabs in the past. What are your thoughts on Steph
[1:46:25] Speaker 2: Curry taking his Curry brand to Li Ning?
[1:46:28] Speaker 7: Well, I mean, if you're going to end it, I mean, what,
[1:46:30] Speaker 7: he got a couple more years? I mean, that's his
[1:46:32] Speaker 7: bling right there. I mean, I'm happy for him, for sure.
[1:46:37] Speaker 7: I mean, being able to, I mean, I feel like
[1:46:39] Speaker 7: Under Armour should have definitely did this. They should have
[1:46:42] Speaker 7: went into golf with him. But, I mean, you know,
[1:46:43] Speaker 7: he had to go another way for him. He'll have
[1:46:46] Speaker 7: a lot more leverage. He'll be in China. He'll be
[1:46:48] Speaker 7: able to have stores. And, you know, everybody knows Steph
[1:46:51] Speaker 7: loves golf. So the one part I love is that
[1:46:54] Speaker 7: he will be doing a golf line, which is really
[1:46:57] Speaker 7: big because golf has become, so big after COVID and
[1:47:01] Speaker 7: the lane that he's going and being in China and
[1:47:03] Speaker 7: who he is, it's all going to work out for him.
[1:47:05] Speaker 7: So I'm just happy he was able to find a
[1:47:07] Speaker 7: home and be able to, you know, $ 1. 9 billion in
[1:47:11] Speaker 7: 10 years.
[1:47:11] Speaker 1: 1.9. Okay.
[1:47:12] Speaker 2: I guess Sean said 400. Somebody else said potentially over
[1:47:15] Speaker 2: a million. I mean, based on how much product he's
[1:47:17] Speaker 2: able to move.
[1:47:18] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he's going to move product China.
[1:47:21] Speaker 1: He's going to be able to move product. That's why
[1:47:23] Speaker 1: you just came from China.
[1:47:24] Speaker 4: Hey man, that was a great move. Dollar dollar bills y'all.
[1:47:32] Speaker 4: China loves Steph. I've seen that firsthand when we played
[1:47:37] Speaker 4: out there. I don't know who was... Besides him, the
[1:47:42] Speaker 4: only person that was a rock star was Kobe. But
[1:47:45] Speaker 4: they was all just waiting at the airport and all that.
[1:47:48] Speaker 4: So I feel like that's a big move. He go
[1:47:50] Speaker 4: there every summer. He does his clinics out there in China.
[1:47:56] Speaker 1: For me, I just wish he... Had a Nike shoe.
[1:47:59] Speaker 4: When she had a Nike shoe, I think Steph could have.
[1:48:07] Speaker 4: I think his shoe could have been bigger than LeBron's
[1:48:09] Speaker 4: on his side, for real, if he had a Nike shoe.
[1:48:13] Speaker 9: Unlikely.
[1:48:14] Speaker 4: But I'm just glad to see him, you know, open
[1:48:17] Speaker 4: up doors for for himself and for other people you
[1:48:20] Speaker 4: know start something new people love stuff he's the golden
[1:48:24] Speaker 4: child that's not a that's not a bad move on
[1:48:28] Speaker 4: lean lean whatever.
[1:48:30] Speaker 2: He is the golden child leaning not to be confused
[1:48:33] Speaker 2: with ling.
[1:48:33] Speaker 1: Ling Isn't DeWayne Wade in all those spots?
[1:48:35] Speaker 2: DeWayne Wade, Jimmy Butler, I think were part of the
[1:48:37] Speaker 2: impetus for Steph to go over there.
[1:48:38] Speaker 4: He said he put their shoes on. The only thing
[1:48:40] Speaker 4: you got to do is get rid of D-Lo, though.
[1:48:42] Speaker 4: D-Lo's leaning.
[1:48:44] Speaker 1: Leaning. You got to get rid of him. A little D-Lo.
[1:48:48] Speaker 2: Let's see what you think about Steph Curry signing a
[1:48:51] Speaker 2: 10-year endorsement deal with Leaning.
[1:48:54] Speaker 5: It's obviously a great deal for him.
[1:48:56] Speaker 1: He's 38.
[1:48:57] Speaker 5: I don't know how many more years you guys think
[1:49:00] Speaker 5: he'd play. A couple, three, I don't know. But It's
[1:49:04] Speaker 5: a great sort of segue into retirement deal with the
[1:49:08] Speaker 5: golf line that you bring up, which I think is
[1:49:10] Speaker 5: really big to him. And I'm just going to mention
[1:49:15] Speaker 5: this because I don't know enough about it to comment,
[1:49:17] Speaker 5: but my only slight surprise was that Li Ning Merchandise
[1:49:24] Speaker 5: in 2022 was banned in the United States because reportedly
[1:49:27] Speaker 5: they're a forced work company in China, and I just
[1:49:32] Speaker 5: don't know enough to comment on it. But to your point,
[1:49:36] Speaker 5: Jimmy Butler was already doing it and Dwayne Wade, and
[1:49:40] Speaker 5: so I can't blame Steph. I just thought his image
[1:49:44] Speaker 5: is so squeaky clean that he wouldn't even tempt fate
[1:49:48] Speaker 5: on this to be associated. But I don't know enough
[1:49:51] Speaker 5: to know what's going on. Maybe you guys know more
[1:49:53] Speaker 5: about it. that situation in China.
[1:49:56] Speaker 2: It's like a lot of factories in China skip making
[1:49:58] Speaker 2: a lot of different products.
[1:49:59] Speaker 5: A lot of different stuff is going on.
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:50:03] Speaker 2: Did read the article, too. It seemed to be very
[1:50:05] Speaker 2: pronounced in there. Had me scratch my head a little bit, too.
[1:50:07] Speaker 2: Seemed unnecessary, but.
[1:50:09] Speaker 5: But now they say they're going to open all kinds
[1:50:11] Speaker 5: of Steph stores in the United States, and obviously there's
[1:50:16] Speaker 5: a huge Asian population in the Bay Area that loves Steph,
[1:50:21] Speaker 5: and you could... I mean, isn't he the most Is
[1:50:25] Speaker 5: he the most popular athlete in the NBA for sure?
[1:50:30] Speaker 5: To me.
[1:50:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:50:32] Speaker 5: I mean, to me, he's a little.
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: Maybe one more. Like the average person in the world. Right? Just, yes.
[1:50:37] Speaker 5: I mean, isn't it slightly beyond LeBron because LeBron's got
[1:50:41] Speaker 5: sort of mixed.
[1:50:43] Speaker 1: But there's two LeBron skippers, remember?
[1:50:45] Speaker 5: Well, there are.
[1:50:46] Speaker 1: Might be third.
[1:50:48] Speaker 5: But Steph has no negativity to him, right? 50-50.
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. 60-40. Yeah, like Steph could run for president.
[1:50:55] Speaker 5: Right?
[1:50:56] Speaker 1: He could.
[1:50:56] Speaker 7: He was like the average person he gave hope to,
[1:50:59] Speaker 7: like everybody.
[1:51:00] Speaker 1: I mean, look, bro, that's a 6'3. Who?
[1:51:04] Speaker 2: Let's shift over to this side, Kane. What's your reaction
[1:51:09] Speaker 2: to a thumb? A power to him.
[1:51:11] Speaker 1: A Knicks thumb or just a regular Kane thumb? More
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: power to him, man. A Josh Hart thumb.
[1:51:18] Speaker 3: Cash out on your way out in this manner to
[1:51:21] Speaker 3: keep your legacy going. For the game, through the game,
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: basketball and golf. So yeah, shout out to Steph and
[1:51:29] Speaker 3: his team and making it obvious what the goal was.
[1:51:34] Speaker 3: Wearing different shoe brands throughout the season. So yeah, if
[1:51:40] Speaker 3: you're going to cash out, why not? In this manner,
[1:51:43] Speaker 3: you got creative control.
[1:51:47] Speaker 1: That's it. Why not? That's it, creative control.
[1:51:51] Speaker 2: Last but not least, what do you think about Steph's
[1:51:53] Speaker 2: I intend your deal with Li Ning.
[1:52:03] Speaker 1: Dollar dollar bills. Get your money. 30 times. Get your money.
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: A billion?
[1:52:10] Speaker 2: It could be worth up to a billion according to
[1:52:11] Speaker 2: some reports. Shams had it at 400 million. Either way,
[1:52:14] Speaker 2: a lot of bread.
[1:52:16] Speaker 1: What was it? 12 million, 300 to 10 million. 12 year,
[1:52:18] Speaker 1: 300 million. To a 10-year potential one point something. Yeah.
[1:52:27] Speaker 3: Set yourself up, man.
[1:52:28] Speaker 1: So why not? Don't even matter who making the shoes.
[1:52:31] Speaker 1: Is that better than getting a ring? What? Going out?
[1:52:35] Speaker 1: Like signing a billion dollar deal on the way out?
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: Better than getting a ring? I mean, if you don't
[1:52:40] Speaker 1: get one, I mean. It ain't the worst thing.
[1:52:46] Speaker 3: It ain't the worst thing. You play two more years.
[1:52:47] Speaker 1: And you don't get one.
[1:52:49] Speaker 3: You want one, but it ain't the worst thing.
[1:52:51] Speaker 1: If you was Nike, would you have paid him?
[1:52:53] Speaker 5: No.
[1:52:56] Speaker 1: I would. I would give him five. Let me give
[1:52:59] Speaker 1: you the blueprint of why I would do it.
[1:53:01] Speaker 6: If I'm Nike and I see that Steph Curry could
[1:53:04] Speaker 6: be the next Tiger Woods of golf, I'm going to
[1:53:08] Speaker 6: now reinsert the Tiger Woods.
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: That we let go. And now, guess what? Guess who's
[1:53:13] Speaker 1: playing golf a lot more?
[1:53:16] Speaker 3: They got a better chance of doing that.
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: Knickers? New York Knickers?
[1:53:19] Speaker 6: Not New York Knickers, but just Knickers, period.
[1:53:22] Speaker 3: There's a lot of athletes playing.
[1:53:27] Speaker 1: There's a lot of athletes playing golf. They already have enough.
[1:53:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a better chance of doing it.
[1:53:32] Speaker 6: So you're talking about having kids want to play golf now?
[1:53:35] Speaker 1: You're talking about.
[1:53:36] Speaker 6: Steph Curry actually being really good at golf. Like, go
[1:53:40] Speaker 6: play in the PGA Tour golf. Like, he's playing with
[1:53:43] Speaker 6: fucking Scotty Scheffler and all of these dudes.
[1:53:46] Speaker 1: He's not that good.
[1:53:48] Speaker 5: Trust me.
[1:53:48] Speaker 1: He is. No, he's not. He's good enough. No, he's not.
[1:53:52] Speaker 1: He's good enough to play with Michael Jordan. Shit, we
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: can go out there and play with him. He's stiff.
[1:53:56] Speaker 1: He's stiff. I'm a par. I'm a par for salt
[1:53:59] Speaker 1: one time. I've seen the hole.
[1:54:01] Speaker 6: In one he hit. I've seen the hole in one.
[1:54:03] Speaker 6: I said, you good enough.
[1:54:07] Speaker 4: He's still going to shoot some threes in the next
[1:54:09] Speaker 4: two years.
[1:54:12] Speaker 7: I like the approach to China because if we're going
[1:54:15] Speaker 7: to go golf, just think about the world. He's in
[1:54:19] Speaker 7: China and they love to play golf. He can inspire
[1:54:22] Speaker 7: way more over there. You got Braun over here at Nike.
[1:54:24] Speaker 7: You got Devin Booker that can do a golf line.
[1:54:28] Speaker 7: Who else? Jason Tatum can go into golf with Jordan.
[1:54:30] Speaker 7: Jordan has his own golf. Like, you want to stay
[1:54:32] Speaker 7: away from all that. Like, you know what I'm saying?
[1:54:34] Speaker 1: Like, Steph. I'm Steph.
[1:54:35] Speaker 6: Y'all not bigger than me.
[1:54:37] Speaker 1: Yes, that's on Steph. Y'all not bigger than me. At Nike,
[1:54:40] Speaker 1: Braun is. You said what? At Nike, Braun is. Only
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: because he's been in Nike.
[1:54:45] Speaker 7: So that's the point of what I'm saying.
[1:54:48] Speaker 1: So why would I go team up with him when
[1:54:49] Speaker 1: I can do my own thing? Because y'all going to
[1:54:51] Speaker 1: pay me more than him. No, you're not.
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: Bron got a goddamn building out there, man.
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: They're not going to pay him more. Listen, at 38
[1:54:57] Speaker 1: years old, you're going to give.
[1:55:02] Speaker 1: I'm giving him whatever he wants. No, you're not. No,
[1:55:05] Speaker 1: you're not.
[1:55:06] Speaker 7: Steph has a better chance of making his own money
[1:55:10] Speaker 7: and doing his own thing on his own. I am
[1:55:12] Speaker 7: not teaming up with LeBron James and all these people
[1:55:15] Speaker 7: over here at Nike that I'm better than, and then
[1:55:17] Speaker 7: I got to go under the window because I ain't
[1:55:19] Speaker 7: been here.
[1:55:19] Speaker 1: No, forget that. There's a lot of people in Ling Ling, too, though.
[1:55:23] Speaker 1: None of them are better than Steph Curry.
[1:55:25] Speaker 3: And still playing it.
[1:55:27] Speaker 7: So at the end of the day, him signing there,
[1:55:30] Speaker 7: now I'm the guy.
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: He ain't played in years.
[1:55:33] Speaker 4: You saying Nike couldn't do that with Steph Curry?
[1:55:38] Speaker 2: On that note, Kane had to leave a little bit
[1:55:40] Speaker 2: early planning the New York Knicks championship parade. They have
[1:55:43] Speaker 2: a Zoom call right now with James Dolan. Potentially Charles
[1:55:47] Speaker 2: Oakley as well. But before we go, I want to
[1:55:50] Speaker 2: get your guys' predictions for game two of the NBA finals. Shai,
[1:55:53] Speaker 2: you said this was going seven. So one game is
[1:55:56] Speaker 2: not necessarily going to make or break this series. We've
[1:55:58] Speaker 2: still got at least three more, if not six more left.
[1:56:01] Speaker 2: Who are you taking in game two of the NBA Finals?
[1:56:02] Speaker 6: Too much good basketball, man. I knew this was going
[1:56:05] Speaker 6: to happen. Like I said, man, I got the call
[1:56:08] Speaker 6: from William Wesley. He told me who was going to
[1:56:10] Speaker 6: win the game.
[1:56:10] Speaker 1: I knew it.
[1:56:11] Speaker 6: So that's why I'm here in my Knickers. My Knickers jersey.
[1:56:14] Speaker 6: It's going to be Spurs next game. It's going to
[1:56:16] Speaker 6: go the same way that the OKC Thunder series went.
[1:56:20] Speaker 6: We're going to trade blows. Everybody's going to adjust. It's
[1:56:23] Speaker 6: going to be good basketball throughout. I don't think it
[1:56:26] Speaker 6: was a dominant performance by the Knicks. I think that
[1:56:30] Speaker 6: they just got out executed down the stretch by a
[1:56:34] Speaker 6: very surgical player in Jalen Brunson, which I said is
[1:56:37] Speaker 6: a very, very, very good player. And his experience and
[1:56:41] Speaker 6: leadership pushed him over the top. Now, next game, I
[1:56:44] Speaker 6: think and hope that they get together as the Spurs conglomerate,
[1:56:48] Speaker 6: which means Tim Duncan, Dave Robinson, Pop, everybody come together,
[1:56:53] Speaker 6: figure out how to help the young guys out. rally
[1:56:56] Speaker 6: and keep their composure down the stretch and make an
[1:56:59] Speaker 6: adjustment with the Aaron Fox and Harper thing.
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: But I'm going Spurs for sure. Swaggler shipped over to
[1:57:05] Speaker 1: you game two. Who are you taking, Knicks or Spurs?
[1:57:07] Speaker 4: I'm taking the Knicks. Like I said, I think it's
[1:57:10] Speaker 4: going six. I would say five, but the NBA needs
[1:57:14] Speaker 4: to make a little bit more money. But it don't
[1:57:16] Speaker 4: matter with the Knicks. If they sweep or go five,
[1:57:20] Speaker 4: everybody's still going to watch. The city's still going to
[1:57:23] Speaker 4: love everything about New York. But, yeah, I'm picking the Knicks.
[1:57:26] Speaker 4: You know, they got the better small ball team. One
[1:57:30] Speaker 4: through five, so.
[1:57:32] Speaker 2: All right, Mr. B, so you're rocking your very own
[1:57:34] Speaker 2: vintage Brandon Jennings Knicks jersey?
[1:57:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:57:36] Speaker 7: It's hard because they both played, they both didn't play great.
[1:57:39] Speaker 7: And if you listen to Jalen Brunson, he said they
[1:57:41] Speaker 7: didn't play their best either.
[1:57:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
[1:57:43] Speaker 7: And, you know, Fox had a bad game. Wimby had
[1:57:45] Speaker 7: a bad game. A lot of guys in the Knicks
[1:57:46] Speaker 7: didn't shoot well. I'm saying I had a bad game today.
[1:57:50] Speaker 1: No, no. But I'm going to go with the Spurs
[1:57:52] Speaker 1: on this one. I think they make the adjustments.
[1:57:54] Speaker 7: Yes, they're young, but they've been proving all year that
[1:57:57] Speaker 7: they can, you know, come back and, you know, win games,
[1:58:01] Speaker 7: you know, when the pressure's on. So, you know, with that,
[1:58:04] Speaker 7: you know, with the championships and everything.
[1:58:05] Speaker 1: You said Knicks in five. and you're going to change?
[1:58:09] Speaker 1: I got to be realistic. I know, but it ain't
[1:58:11] Speaker 1: the first game.
[1:58:13] Speaker 7: No, it is about being realistic because we got to
[1:58:15] Speaker 7: look at what the Spurs have done and everything.
[1:58:17] Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with the Spurs in game two. Wow.
[1:58:19] Speaker 2: Skip, let's shift over to you. Game two Friday in
[1:58:22] Speaker 2: San Antonio. Knicks took game one. Who do you got
[1:58:26] Speaker 2: winning game two?
[1:58:27] Speaker 5: I got the Knicks in six, but the Spurs in
[1:58:29] Speaker 5: game two, and to your point, if you look at
[1:58:32] Speaker 5: the Spurs all year, backs to wall, they've been really,
[1:58:36] Speaker 5: really mentally tough. See games four and six against the
[1:58:40] Speaker 5: Thunder in the previous round in San Antonio. They have
[1:58:44] Speaker 5: to win this game. To me, this is do or die.
[1:58:48] Speaker 5: This is avoid sweep kind of a game, and I
[1:58:52] Speaker 5: think they will avoid sweep.
[1:58:55] Speaker 1: But still lose the series. Yeah.
[1:58:57] Speaker 6: I feel like Skip is picking it.
[1:59:01] Speaker 1: He's trying to jinx us. That's all it is. He
[1:59:03] Speaker 1: tried to jinx us against the OKC Thunder.
[1:59:06] Speaker 6: He tried to say, man, we've seen OKC do this before.
[1:59:10] Speaker 6: We've seen them do this against Indiana. We've seen them lose.
[1:59:15] Speaker 6: He's trying to put this little mojo on us. Because
[1:59:17] Speaker 6: he don't want to root for the Spurs, which is weird.
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: I don't get it.
[1:59:21] Speaker 6: I don't get how you can pick the Knicks.
[1:59:23] Speaker 1: I think the Spurs. I don't get how you.
[1:59:25] Speaker 6: Can pick the Knicks out of all teams.
[1:59:28] Speaker 1: You've been arguing against Stephen A. Smith for 20 years,
[1:59:32] Speaker 1: and you're going to go pick the Knicks?
[1:59:34] Speaker 5: I'm happy for Stephen A. Smith.
[1:59:35] Speaker 1: That's crazy.
[1:59:36] Speaker 5: I even wore my orange shoes for him today as
[1:59:38] Speaker 5: a little tip of the cap to him.
[1:59:40] Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
[1:59:41] Speaker 5: Because he's finally going to win a championship.
[1:59:44] Speaker 1: And again, you don't.
[1:59:46] Speaker 5: You don't get it because I haven't rooted for the
[1:59:48] Speaker 5: Spurs for 10 years. 10 years.
[1:59:50] Speaker 1: 10 years ago.
[1:59:51] Speaker 6: It's not too long ago, Skip. You can still come
[1:59:54] Speaker 6: back home. They still want you around.
[1:59:56] Speaker 5: I went home.
[1:59:57] Speaker 1: I went home. You did. You went to Cancun, too.
[2:00:01] Speaker 1: That's where your hat at.
[2:00:02] Speaker 6: You in Cancun getting the pina colada and a nice tan.
[2:00:06] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[2:00:07] Speaker 5: I'm already on record. The Thunder will win it all
[2:00:10] Speaker 5: next year if healthy. With Jalen Williams and A.J. Mitchell,
[2:00:14] Speaker 5: you would be in Cancun right now.
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: You know what that was, Skip?
[2:00:18] Speaker 7: Skip, so if the Knicks win game two, are we
[2:00:20] Speaker 7: saying sweep?
[2:00:21] Speaker 1: No, I think.
[2:00:22] Speaker 5: I would say sweep off that.
[2:00:24] Speaker 1: You would? Yes.
[2:00:26] Speaker 5: Go in there.
[2:00:27] Speaker 1: I think the Spurs will win four or five, if anything. Well, listen,
[2:00:30] Speaker 1: I think at the... Okay. We'll wait and see.
[2:00:33] Speaker 2: We will wait and see. Let's not get too far
[2:00:35] Speaker 2: ahead of ourselves. Game two, Friday in San Antonio. Appreciate
[2:00:38] Speaker 2: everybody in the chat for pulling up. Appreciate everybody on
[2:00:41] Speaker 2: this couch. Appreciate our crew as well. You guys are appreciated.
[2:00:46] Speaker 1: All out there.
[2:00:46] Speaker 2: But this has been another episode of Gills Arena presented
[2:00:49] Speaker 2: by Underdog.
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa. Hey, crew. Hey, crew.

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