# A Spurs vs Knicks NBA Finals ERUPTS The Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 1 Jun 2026, 1 h 54 min.

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A Spurs vs Knicks NBA Finals ERUPTS The Arena as the guys react to Victor Wembanyama and the San Antonio Spurs stunning Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder in game 7 of the western conference finals as Wemby becomes the youngest player ever to lead his team to the NBA Finals. Next, they preview the matchup between the New York Knicks and the San Antonio Spurs as it will be a rematch of the 1999 NBA finals, the last time the Knicks were in the Finals. Will Jalen Brunson and company have enough to take down this young Spurs team and claim the Knicks' first NBA championship since 1973? Finally, they react to the OKC Thunder's collapse in the western conference finals and debate whether OKC needs to make another move within their roster if they want to compete for a title next season as well as what they will do with Chet Holmgren after he had an abysmal conference finals. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Start building credit with Kikoff today, and get your first month for as little as one dollar. That’s 80% off the normal price when you go to https://getkikoff.com/arena today SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:57 Spurs advance to Finals over OKC reactions 0:12:36 What happened with Chet? 0:51:46 Reacting to SGA calling season a failure 1:06:51 Should OKC run it back with same roster? 1:29:08 NBA Finals Preview 1:44:20 NBA Finals predictions 1:50:35 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:04] Speaker 2: Whoop, whoop.
[0:05] Speaker 1: Whoop, whoop. Here on a Monday.
[0:08] Speaker 3: To celebrate the start of June.
[0:11] Speaker 1: How everybody feeling?
[0:13] Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you know.
[0:15] Speaker 1: A little bit older. A little bit.
[0:17] Speaker 3: A little bit wiser. But this is Gil's Arena presented
[0:22] Speaker 3: by Underdog. I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson, and we're
[0:24] Speaker 3: joined by NBA champion of the world, Swaggy P, Nick Young.
[0:27] Speaker 1: Woo! That's why I get your birthday today, huh?
[0:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
[0:33] Speaker 3: Then we got the decorations. I know you're used to these, Skip.
[0:39] Speaker 3: Fresh tackle, black and mild.
[0:40] Speaker 5: Oh.
[0:40] Speaker 4: You going to have one? You know, just the decoration
[0:46] Speaker 4: right now.
[0:47] Speaker 1: Skip, he said you got to have one, too. You
[0:49] Speaker 1: got to hit it.
[0:50] Speaker 3: Well, we got one of the biggest legends in the
[0:52] Speaker 3: sports media game, Skip Bayless, back in the building.
[0:54] Speaker 1: It's my turn! Okay, flex on him. All right, then.
[0:59] Speaker 3: And on this side of the couch, we got the
[1:01] Speaker 3: distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick, Kenyon.
[1:03] Speaker 1: Martin, back in the arena. What's happening, man? They said
[1:09] Speaker 1: you've been all over the country, Kenyon, doing what you
[1:10] Speaker 1: got to do.
[1:11] Speaker 6: Yeah, no, just going to support the boy, man. He's
[1:15] Speaker 6: out here working, so I'm going to support KJ, man.
[1:18] Speaker 6: He's out here putting his talents on display for a
[1:21] Speaker 6: few teams, man. He's holding his own, so.
[1:23] Speaker 3: Well, shout out, KJ. We know it's going to work
[1:25] Speaker 3: out for you. Last but not least. highly decorated today,
[1:30] Speaker 3: the man they call Cemetery Larry, NCAA champion of the world, Dr.
[1:33] Speaker 3: Rashad McCants, Ph.D.
[1:36] Speaker 2: Yeah!
[1:40] Speaker 1: That was easy. That was easy. Finish him!
[1:52] Speaker 4: It's okay to laugh, nigga.
[1:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a day today. It's a day. Yeah.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Your proposal is acceptable.
[2:04] Speaker 3: Let's get it in. I see multiple body bags. We
[2:07] Speaker 3: got caskets. We got embryos.
[2:10] Speaker 1: Okay. This was me, phase one. This was me, young me.
[2:19] Speaker 1: We got... The true architect of the Bulls dynasty, according
[2:22] Speaker 1: to some. Out there in the universe. Okay. We got
[2:27] Speaker 1: a lot to discuss. Uh-oh. He has removed it.
[2:32] Speaker 4: Kind of got the same head, okay.
[2:35] Speaker 1: Kind of the same body, too. Dee Bolati.
[2:41] Speaker 3: Here's what we got cracking in Gil's arena today. San
[2:45] Speaker 3: Antonio outlasted the defending champs to win the West... What
[2:49] Speaker 3: statement did Wimby and the Smurfs make by getting the
[2:51] Speaker 3: franchise back to the finals for the first time since 2014?
[2:55] Speaker 3: The Knicks and Spurs are set to face off in
[2:57] Speaker 3: an NBA Cup rematch. Which squad will be hoisting the
[3:01] Speaker 3: Larry O'Brien trophy when it's all said and done? and
[3:04] Speaker 3: the Thunder were a game away from their second straight
[3:06] Speaker 3: finals after holding down the top spot in the West
[3:08] Speaker 3: for the third straight season. Does OPP need to make
[3:11] Speaker 3: a major move to keep their championship window open? But
[3:14] Speaker 3: before we get into all that, as always, this show
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[3:33] Speaker 3: with us on YouTube, we got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify,
[3:37] Speaker 3: wherever you get your podcasts. That's why we already said
[3:39] Speaker 3: it's your birthday today. I think they got some things
[3:42] Speaker 3: planned for you in store. You already got the fresh
[3:44] Speaker 3: pack of black amas.
[3:45] Speaker 1: You feel me?
[3:46] Speaker 3: The girls love my swag t-shirt. You got the blow-up
[3:49] Speaker 3: dolls in case you're.
[3:50] Speaker 4: Feeling- Oh, I didn't see the strippers in the back. Okay, okay.
[3:55] Speaker 1: If it ain't snowing, you ain't going. They don't make
[3:59] Speaker 1: the black ones. They ain't got no face. They only
[4:02] Speaker 1: make them ones. Yes. You can't throw money at them.
[4:07] Speaker 1: You got to hand it to them. Normally, I love
[4:09] Speaker 1: New York, but I think I love Nick Young in
[4:10] Speaker 1: this particular case. Here you go.
[4:11] Speaker 4: Got to be polite, right?
[4:12] Speaker 1: You got to be polite. It's a gentleman's love. You
[4:15] Speaker 1: got to be gentle.
[4:16] Speaker 3: Well, let's get right to it. This weekend, we got
[4:19] Speaker 3: the best two words in sports, Game 7. But before
[4:22] Speaker 3: we talk about what went down Saturday in the Western
[4:24] Speaker 3: Conference Finals, let's go back to last week to see
[4:27] Speaker 3: how we got there. SGA came through with 32 points,
[4:30] Speaker 3: 9 assists. Alex Crusoe bounced back from a donut in
[4:33] Speaker 3: Game 4 with 22 points off the bench to lift
[4:35] Speaker 3: the thunder over the Spurs in Game 5 to take
[4:37] Speaker 3: a 3-2 series lead after his worst game of the series.
[4:41] Speaker 3: Wimby ducked the media. And with his squad facing elimination
[4:45] Speaker 3: for the first time in his career, the alien pulled
[4:47] Speaker 3: up to game six in the Spurs Arena rocking a
[4:50] Speaker 3: dark Greek robe to celebrate an Islamic holiday known as
[4:54] Speaker 3: the Festival of Sacrifice. I was going to try to
[4:56] Speaker 3: pronounce it, but I don't want all my Islamic people
[4:58] Speaker 3: out there to... I don't know.
[5:03] Speaker 1: Not near nothing. It's not near nothing. Winby pulled up
[5:09] Speaker 1: in a dark green robe. Many thought it was a
[5:10] Speaker 1: Shaolin monk robe. It was not.
[5:12] Speaker 3: He corrected them after the game. gave his squad an
[5:14] Speaker 3: impassioned pregame speech, proceeded to deliver an impassioned performance, putting
[5:18] Speaker 3: up 28 points, 10 boards, and three blocks as the
[5:21] Speaker 3: Spurs cruised with a 27-point win while holding the Thunder
[5:23] Speaker 3: to 37% shooting, including 25% from three. San Antonio's Game
[5:27] Speaker 3: 6 win set the stage for Game 7 back in
[5:30] Speaker 3: Oklahoma City Saturday where the Thunder were once again without
[5:32] Speaker 3: Jalen Williams, A.J. Mitchell, and in the final game of
[5:35] Speaker 3: what will go down as one of the greatest series
[5:37] Speaker 3: in league history, when being the Spurs' Show the back-to-back
[5:40] Speaker 3: MVP and defending champ that there's a new sheriff in town.
[5:43] Speaker 3: Let's take a look at the game seven highlights, which
[5:46] Speaker 3: are vast and extensive.
[5:48] Speaker 1: If we can, please.
[5:50] Speaker 3: Wimby set the tone early, hitting the first bucket of
[5:53] Speaker 3: the game.
[5:56] Speaker 1: It proceeded to Yam all over Chet Holmgren's life.
[5:58] Speaker 3: First through the first punch, once again jumping out to
[6:00] Speaker 3: an 18-8 lead behind a balanced scoring attack. San Antonio
[6:05] Speaker 3: led by as much as 14 in the first frame.
[6:10] Speaker 3: But Thunder closed the quarter on a 12-5 run to
[6:12] Speaker 3: cut the deficit to seven. Spurs shot 57% from the
[6:15] Speaker 3: field and 50% from three in the first frame. Thunder
[6:17] Speaker 3: bounced back in the second quarter, taking their first lead
[6:21] Speaker 3: of the game with SGA leading the charge. Shea scored
[6:24] Speaker 3: 13 of his 19 first half points in that second frame.
[6:28] Speaker 3: OKC was able to take a four-point lead a little
[6:31] Speaker 3: over a minute remaining. Thanks in large part to plays
[6:35] Speaker 3: like this.
[6:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. Very spirited game, very intense.
[6:42] Speaker 3: Okay, so he played from behind the most of the evening.
[6:48] Speaker 3: Like I said, Shea, 13 points in the second quarter.
[6:52] Speaker 1: Thunder up four.
[6:53] Speaker 3: Spurs into the half on a 7-0 run to take
[6:55] Speaker 3: a three-point lead into the break.
[6:58] Speaker 1: Let me hit it in that nice bank. What?
[7:04] Speaker 3: Thunder tried to rally in the third quarter. Taking a
[7:09] Speaker 3: one-point lead after this Alex Caruso three was the first
[7:12] Speaker 3: lead change in the second half of a game in
[7:14] Speaker 3: this series since game one wouldn't last long as Julian
[7:17] Speaker 3: Champagny came through with eight straight points, including two threes
[7:20] Speaker 3: to put the Spurs back on top. Champagny had 11
[7:23] Speaker 3: points in the quarter, helping spark a 16-2 run, which
[7:27] Speaker 3: was capped off by that Wimby three to put the
[7:29] Speaker 3: Spurs up 11. Thunder responded with a 9-1 run of
[7:32] Speaker 3: their own to cut the deficit back to three. Both
[7:35] Speaker 3: teams struggled to generate offense in that. Third quarter, 3-30%,
[7:39] Speaker 3: and then we hit the fourth. Spurs took control of
[7:43] Speaker 3: the game in the final frame. Shot a ridiculous 60%
[7:47] Speaker 3: from the field. They ended their lead to 11 with
[7:50] Speaker 3: eight minutes remaining. Luke Cornett, blocked by Cornett, as they said.
[7:57] Speaker 3: In that moment, Champagny kept doing what he did, almost
[8:00] Speaker 3: out of the league. Now, going to the finals, Dylan
[8:04] Speaker 3: Harper did his thing as well. Spurs up 9, Dylan
[8:09] Speaker 3: Harper hit a 3 to put them up 12 with
[8:10] Speaker 3: under 4 minutes remaining. Case and Wiles hit back-to-back 3s
[8:13] Speaker 3: to cut the deficit to 6. The castle came through.
[8:17] Speaker 3: That's as close as it would get. Spurs had every
[8:20] Speaker 3: answer to the Thunder's test. San Antonio, 7 players scoring
[8:23] Speaker 3: double figures. We'll be putting up a team-high 22 points
[8:25] Speaker 3: on 7 of 15 shooting along with 7 rebounds. Champagne
[8:29] Speaker 3: added 20 points, going 6 for 10 from 3s to
[8:30] Speaker 3: find castle 16, 6 and 6. Dylan Harper chipped in
[8:32] Speaker 3: 12 and 7 rebounds on 5 of 8 shooting. SGA,
[8:37] Speaker 3: game high 35 points on 12-21 shooting for the Thunder,
[8:40] Speaker 3: along with nine assists and three steals, but scored just
[8:43] Speaker 3: four points in the fourth quarter. As we see an
[8:46] Speaker 3: emotional Wimby celebrating with his Spurs crew as they got
[8:50] Speaker 3: the win on the Thunder's home four series. Ended much
[8:55] Speaker 3: like it began. Spurs getting a big game win, but
[8:58] Speaker 3: this time to send the Thunder packing.
[9:01] Speaker 1: So here with the game, seven reacts from both sides.
[9:05] Speaker 1: I'm most excited about.
[9:08] Speaker 7: Feeling what I felt when that buzzer went off again
[9:12] Speaker 7: and again and again and even more. Really, it's you
[9:20] Speaker 7: work all these hours we put in. It's for this
[9:24] Speaker 7: type of emotions. Like I want that. I want to
[9:34] Speaker 7: win so bad. It's like my life depends on it.
[9:39] Speaker 5: They're young, they're talented, well-coached, play the right way, play together.
[9:45] Speaker 5: It seems like they like each other. They have the makeup,
[9:49] Speaker 5: for sure. You don't beat us without the makeup, and
[9:53] Speaker 5: they beat us so they have the makeup to go
[9:55] Speaker 5: get one.
[9:56] Speaker 1: The Larry O'Brien.
[9:58] Speaker 7: It's a childhood dream and having a real shot at
[10:02] Speaker 7: it having a chance tangible chance at winning it at
[10:07] Speaker 7: realizing a dream you know it's a chance it's a
[10:10] Speaker 7: lifetime chance you know it's you never know what's going
[10:14] Speaker 7: to happen again but it's you know The day we
[10:21] Speaker 7: win it, speaking for myself, it's going to be an
[10:24] Speaker 7: amazing day of realization of a dream.
[10:30] Speaker 1: It's hard to put into words.
[10:31] Speaker 7: It's almost like the meaning of my life.
[10:32] Speaker 3: The meaning of Wimpy's life. Swaggy, we'll start with you.
[10:38] Speaker 3: Biggest takeaways from the Spurs. Game seven win over the Thunder.
[10:42] Speaker 3: The clinch, the Western Conference Finals.
[10:45] Speaker 8: I feel like this is what the media wanted right there.
[10:51] Speaker 8: If you thought the OKC had a chance in that
[10:53] Speaker 8: game seven, you was losing it. The NBA already picked
[10:59] Speaker 8: a star, face of the league. They know Spurs going
[11:05] Speaker 8: will be a better storyline, more chaos. I just feel
[11:10] Speaker 8: like it's not organic. The way they're pushing Wimby right now,
[11:16] Speaker 8: it's like they're forcing him to be my favorite player
[11:20] Speaker 8: instead of just letting it happen.
[11:22] Speaker 1: Is Wimby your favorite player now?
[11:24] Speaker 8: No, it's like they want us to be. Like everything
[11:26] Speaker 8: is Wimby, Wimby, Wimby. You know, you got other guys that,
[11:31] Speaker 8: you know, you don't talk about their greatness. You talk
[11:34] Speaker 8: about foul beating, you know, like the Shea. When you
[11:39] Speaker 8: talk about Shea or guys like that, they just talk
[11:42] Speaker 8: about free throws. But during that game, I would say,
[11:47] Speaker 8: you know, Chet, I don't know where he disappeared. Got
[11:51] Speaker 8: two shots up. I can't really, you know, that's crazy.
[11:59] Speaker 8: In game seven, you're supposed to be the co-star. They
[12:03] Speaker 8: get only two shots. I don't know what happened. Must
[12:07] Speaker 8: have been a dunk. And then he got dunked on
[12:09] Speaker 8: the first play that took him all the way out
[12:10] Speaker 8: the game. But you've seen it. You've seen how scared
[12:13] Speaker 8: he looked out there. And for game seven to be a,
[12:16] Speaker 8: guy that's paid $ 200 million, this is embarrassing. Like, this
[12:22] Speaker 8: is a.
[12:24] Speaker 8: You really got to have conversations with what you want
[12:28] Speaker 8: to do with him. One guy could take you out
[12:30] Speaker 8: of the whole series. Like, he's really scared of Wimby,
[12:34] Speaker 8: you know. And you've seen it, and you don't see
[12:38] Speaker 8: that on the court. You don't see grown men being
[12:40] Speaker 8: really terrified to the point that you only get two
[12:43] Speaker 8: shots up, so. I would say, and the Spurs, I
[12:47] Speaker 8: feel like, had one of the easiest roles to the playoffs.
[12:49] Speaker 8: Every team they played was pretty much hurt. So, I'm
[12:53] Speaker 8: going for the Knicks. So, having said all that, that's...
[12:57] Speaker 8: I'm going for the Knicks. You're going to keep your Wimby...
[13:00] Speaker 8: I'm going to keep my Wimby, yeah. Just because they
[13:03] Speaker 8: forcing it.
[13:04] Speaker 4: On me, you know.
[13:05] Speaker 1: Pushing the Wimby package.
[13:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like he's already going to be Jordan
[13:09] Speaker 4: right now.
[13:10] Speaker 1: All right, well, let's shift over to you, Canyon. Where
[13:12] Speaker 1: were you at?
[13:13] Speaker 3: Biggest takeaways from the Spurs game seven win over Thunder
[13:16] Speaker 3: to win the Western Conference.
[13:18] Speaker 6: Spurs grew up um they thought they can beat them
[13:22] Speaker 6: they proved it during the regular season um long tough
[13:25] Speaker 6: series um finally had a decent game um game one
[13:31] Speaker 6: was a decent game game seven was a decent game
[13:33] Speaker 6: the rest of them were in washes um but no
[13:37] Speaker 6: the Spurs grew up right before our very eyes um
[13:41] Speaker 6: going out and competing at the level that they did
[13:43] Speaker 6: for seven games and willing that series. Um, not a
[13:48] Speaker 6: lot of people gave him the opportunity, a chance in
[13:51] Speaker 6: game seven. I don't think going back there, young team,
[13:53] Speaker 6: a lot of inexperience, um, but they proved that they belong. Um,
[13:59] Speaker 6: wasn't a stellar game offensively from anyone. Um, maybe team
[14:04] Speaker 6: high 22. Um, but the, they defended well. Um, OKC
[14:12] Speaker 6: had three starters and they had 13 points total. That's tough, man. Chet,
[14:20] Speaker 6: to your point, Nick, he checked out when he got dunked.
[14:24] Speaker 1: On.
[14:24] Speaker 6: It took that man hard when he got dunked on.
[14:27] Speaker 6: I saw a post with Chet talking about he needs to.
[14:29] Speaker 1: Go look at tape.
[14:30] Speaker 6: Tape ain't going to help, young man. You got to
[14:33] Speaker 6: go look in the mirror. You got to go find
[14:35] Speaker 6: a big mirror. That ain't go, that tape ain't go
[14:39] Speaker 6: show you nothing that you didn't know what happened already.
[14:42] Speaker 6: So that ain't go do. And that 41 kick in
[14:48] Speaker 6: next year. So he's lucky that that extension already been signed.
[14:52] Speaker 6: So that 41 kick in next year and that made
[14:56] Speaker 6: you very tradable. That performance and with a guy like
[15:00] Speaker 6: Giannis being out there and a guy who can help
[15:02] Speaker 6: and bring that different kind of energy to a team. Um, yeah, Chet,
[15:06] Speaker 6: you didn't do yourself no favors in that regard, but
[15:08] Speaker 6: we'll see what Sam Presti does. Uh, they got some
[15:10] Speaker 6: decisions to make. Um, they, they got the 12th and
[15:15] Speaker 6: the 17th pick, and if they sign them guys, then
[15:19] Speaker 6: it increases their salary cap by like 80 million or something.
[15:22] Speaker 1: It's crazy. The second apron.
[15:24] Speaker 6: Yeah, so they got some decisions to make, man, over there,
[15:26] Speaker 6: what they're going to do moving forward. But, um, it's
[15:30] Speaker 6: going to be a good finals. I like what the
[15:32] Speaker 6: Spurs have done so far, but, yeah, um, Yeah, Wimby
[15:36] Speaker 6: proved that he's a winner. Stephon Castle, I think, makes
[15:39] Speaker 6: them go. Him and Dylan Harper, I think, are the
[15:42] Speaker 6: engines that make them go how they compete.
[15:46] Speaker 1: But no, I'm excited to see this finals, man. I'm
[15:49] Speaker 1: excited to see it.
[15:51] Speaker 3: All right, let's shift over to this side. Skip, still
[15:53] Speaker 3: see you being loyal to your hometown soil, rocking the
[15:57] Speaker 3: Oklahoma City Thunder hat, despite them getting put in a pack.
[16:02] Speaker 3: What are your biggest takeaways from the Spurs game seven
[16:04] Speaker 3: win over the Thunder?
[16:05] Speaker 2: Since I am right now residing in the city morgue
[16:09] Speaker 2: awaiting autopsy. There is no way I'm going to speak
[16:12] Speaker 2: on this show before the alien across from me speaks.
[16:15] Speaker 4: Oh, you got to, Skip.
[16:16] Speaker 2: Oh, you have to. No, Mel, you go. It is
[16:19] Speaker 2: your day.
[16:19] Speaker 1: You got to.
[16:20] Speaker 2: You got to glow first. I got to hear what you.
[16:22] Speaker 1: Have to say. Don't get the rebuttal. You already tried
[16:24] Speaker 1: to step in front of it online. No, go ahead.
[16:28] Speaker 1: You got the floor, man, because I got a lot
[16:30] Speaker 1: to say. I got a lot to say. I don't
[16:32] Speaker 1: want you sitting through my shit.
[16:32] Speaker 4: We were awesome.
[16:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no, no, no. Go ahead, man.
[16:38] Speaker 4: No, no, no.
[16:38] Speaker 1: He's going to hear you.
[16:39] Speaker 7: Go ahead.
[16:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're going to hear me. Yeah, I
[16:42] Speaker 1: know you're going to hear me. You're going to hear me.
[16:44] Speaker 1: Don't worry. Shot has won the coin toss. He has deferred. Yes.
[16:48] Speaker 1: Go ahead. Okay.
[16:51] Speaker 2: I start with this. And you can say it's an excuse,
[16:55] Speaker 2: but it's just a dead solid fact. After the first
[16:59] Speaker 2: couple of games, Victor Wimbanyama said, had all of his
[17:04] Speaker 2: supporting cast fully healthy and fully locked in and fully loaded,
[17:09] Speaker 2: especially for game seven. While Shea Gilgis Alexander was playing
[17:15] Speaker 2: without his second and third best player. Some people thought
[17:19] Speaker 2: it was Chet, but as you just pointed out, and
[17:21] Speaker 2: you just pointed out, Chet just shrinks in the alien's
[17:27] Speaker 2: presence and He's really good against the rest of the
[17:30] Speaker 2: league because he did make the all-star team, and nobody
[17:33] Speaker 2: quibbled with that that I heard. He had 17-9 during
[17:37] Speaker 2: the regular season with two blocks a game, but when
[17:39] Speaker 2: he steps on the floor with that guy, he's scared
[17:42] Speaker 2: to death, and it's hard to watch. So if you
[17:46] Speaker 2: take away Jalen Williams, who I remind you made the
[17:50] Speaker 2: all-star team last year and second team all-defense, And then
[17:55] Speaker 2: you take away a kid who has become one of
[17:58] Speaker 2: their best defensive players, who averaged 23 a game against
[18:02] Speaker 2: LeBron and company as they swept the Lakers in the
[18:05] Speaker 2: previous round, A.J.
[18:07] Speaker 1: Mitchell.
[18:08] Speaker 2: If you take them both away, it's not a fair fight.
[18:13] Speaker 2: And it was stunning to me that Oklahoma City got
[18:17] Speaker 2: it all the way to the fourth quarter of Game
[18:20] Speaker 2: 7 with SGA flying solo. Even in game seven, Chet
[18:26] Speaker 2: disappears with four and four, and Caruso, they're trying to
[18:30] Speaker 2: make a star out of Caruso, and in game seven,
[18:33] Speaker 2: he falls back to earth, as Kenyon probably would predict,
[18:37] Speaker 2: and he goes three of 14 and one of seven
[18:39] Speaker 2: in game seven. You got no chance, and yet they
[18:43] Speaker 2: did have chances. And little Jared McCain, I know they
[18:47] Speaker 2: picked him up and stole him at the trade deadline.
[18:50] Speaker 2: But just predictably, against the Spurs, he shoots 28% from three.
[18:55] Speaker 2: So you're looking to him to be the third-string shooting guard.
[18:59] Speaker 2: And even he, especially in the fourth quarter of Game 7,
[19:02] Speaker 2: he goes 0 for three from three, while every shot
[19:05] Speaker 2: the Spurs took seemed like it went in in the
[19:08] Speaker 2: fourth quarter. More power to the Spurs.
[19:11] Speaker 1: So.
[19:13] Speaker 2: The point was, in the fourth quarter of game seven,
[19:16] Speaker 2: Shea just doesn't have enough co-firepower. And here's what happened
[19:21] Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. His team started spitting the bit
[19:26] Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. That's exactly what happened. And the
[19:28] Speaker 2: thunder started thundering in the fourth quarter. That's what happened.
[19:32] Speaker 2: Because the Thunder can turn you over like nobody can
[19:35] Speaker 2: turn you over. And all of a sudden, Stephon Castle
[19:38] Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter is coughing it up all over
[19:41] Speaker 2: the floor and has four turnovers in the fourth quarter.
[19:44] Speaker 2: That's what the Thunder do to you, especially in that building.
[19:49] Speaker 1: And Dylan.
[19:50] Speaker 2: Harper, he starts to just spit it up all over
[19:54] Speaker 2: the floor, and he has two turnovers. So they have
[19:56] Speaker 2: six turnovers in the fourth quarter, and it's like, here
[19:59] Speaker 2: they go, here they go, here they go. And Wimby
[20:02] Speaker 2: plays center field on defense, and he has to pick
[20:04] Speaker 2: somebody that he's going to say, you can shoot it
[20:06] Speaker 2: whenever you want to. And this was Case and Wallace.
[20:09] Speaker 2: And Case and Wallace stood out there in the fourth
[20:11] Speaker 2: quarter and just said, okay, you're not going to come
[20:13] Speaker 2: out here and guard me? Well, guess what? You'd love that,
[20:16] Speaker 2: wouldn't you?
[20:17] Speaker 1: For sure. Like, oh, really?
[20:19] Speaker 2: You're not even going to guard me, Wimby. I'll just
[20:21] Speaker 2: stand over here, and I'll just shoot this like it's
[20:24] Speaker 2: a free throw. And he makes four threes, and all
[20:27] Speaker 2: of a sudden– Oklahoma City's got a chance and a
[20:30] Speaker 2: chance and a chance, but here's the bottom line to
[20:32] Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. What did Oklahoma City do during the
[20:35] Speaker 2: regular season? Way, way, way better than any other team
[20:39] Speaker 2: in the league. They scored points off turnovers. They smoked
[20:44] Speaker 2: you with pot.
[20:45] Speaker 1: Boom.
[20:46] Speaker 2: They blow you off the floor. Kaboom. Smoked you with pot.
[20:51] Speaker 2: What happened in the fourth quarter? Six turnovers. Guess how
[20:55] Speaker 2: many points they scored off the six turnovers. How about
[20:57] Speaker 2: a big zero? They goose-egged off the turnovers.
[21:00] Speaker 1: What?
[21:01] Speaker 2: They goose-egged off the turnovers? They outscored the second-best team
[21:06] Speaker 2: in points-off turnover during the regular season by 234 points.
[21:10] Speaker 2: And in the fourth quarter, they score zero off turnovers.
[21:14] Speaker 2: It's impossibly wrong. But they don't have Jalen, and they
[21:17] Speaker 2: don't have A.J., and they don't have Chet, and they
[21:20] Speaker 2: don't have Caruso. So it's SGA flying solo or bust.
[21:25] Speaker 2: And they busted because they have you, they have you,
[21:28] Speaker 2: they have you. And the turning point of the game,
[21:31] Speaker 2: six minutes left, Isaiah Hartenstein steals it from Dylan. And
[21:35] Speaker 2: he's off to the races, but he's seven feet tall
[21:38] Speaker 2: and he's trying to do something that's kind of hard
[21:40] Speaker 2: for a seven foot guy to do. And that's to
[21:42] Speaker 2: dribble halfway down the floor and try to dunk it.
[21:46] Speaker 2: And coming from nowhere is your backup center, who you've
[21:49] Speaker 2: told me you really like, that you'd like to see
[21:51] Speaker 2: him play more minutes. Luke Cornett, where did he go
[21:54] Speaker 2: to college?
[21:54] Speaker 4: Do you remember?
[21:56] Speaker 2: You don't remember.
[21:57] Speaker 1: I don't.
[21:58] Speaker 2: He went to Vanderbilt University, happens to be my alma mater.
[22:01] Speaker 2: So I got did in by my alma mater guy
[22:04] Speaker 2: who comes from nowhere. And to his credit, he did
[22:08] Speaker 2: not give up on the play. And not only does
[22:10] Speaker 2: he block the shot, but he does not foul. And
[22:13] Speaker 2: it's hard not to foul the seven footer going in
[22:16] Speaker 2: for the slam, right? He doesn't foul him. So it
[22:19] Speaker 2: could have been cut to three with a and one dunk.
[22:23] Speaker 2: And instead, you go the other way, and Steph Castle,
[22:26] Speaker 2: who can't shoot, just sits down and makes a 15-footer.
[22:29] Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're kidding. And it goes back to nine. Well,
[22:33] Speaker 2: that's hard to overcome. Which brings me to the Clutch
[22:38] Speaker 2: Player of the Year. Shea Gilgis Alexander led the league
[22:42] Speaker 2: in every clutch category you want. Just name one, and
[22:46] Speaker 2: he led it. And he's having... A really good game.
[22:50] Speaker 2: And I said before the game, I posted a video,
[22:52] Speaker 2: I said he's going to have to score 40 to
[22:54] Speaker 2: win this game. 4-0. And with four minutes left, he's
[22:59] Speaker 2: got 35. That's pretty great. And he had made six
[23:02] Speaker 2: out of seven mid-range jump shots. That's pretty great because
[23:06] Speaker 2: nobody shoots it. Maybe KD does. But right now, it's
[23:11] Speaker 2: SGA from mid-range. He is really good, right? That's his
[23:16] Speaker 2: bread and his butter, and he finally said, I'm going
[23:19] Speaker 2: to do it this way against your defense that had
[23:22] Speaker 2: been really hard on him. 35 points with 4.09 left
[23:26] Speaker 2: when he made another step-back two-point jump shot. From that
[23:31] Speaker 2: point forward, the Clutch Player of the Year manages to
[23:34] Speaker 2: score zero more points. And again, I'm being hard on him,
[23:39] Speaker 2: but it's him or bust. From that moment down the stretch,
[23:42] Speaker 2: you got four minutes and nine seconds left of game
[23:45] Speaker 2: seven in your house. You have to score two more
[23:49] Speaker 2: points or four more points. You have to do something.
[23:52] Speaker 1: I'm being.
[23:53] Speaker 2: Ultra hard on him. But sometimes he's the alien. Sometimes
[23:57] Speaker 2: he is just unguardable. And I thought down the stretch
[24:01] Speaker 2: he would be that. And I believe he hit the mental,
[24:05] Speaker 2: physical wall because they just wore his ass out. They're
[24:09] Speaker 2: playing football. They're banging. They're crashing. He's getting hammered every play.
[24:15] Speaker 2: And he couldn't even get to the free throw line,
[24:17] Speaker 2: the free throw merchant, over the last 4.09 of that game.
[24:21] Speaker 2: But with 1.23 left. He has a step back three
[24:26] Speaker 2: to cut it to three. And I believe if that
[24:28] Speaker 2: ball goes in, you're not sitting up on my dead
[24:31] Speaker 2: body over there. That's what I believe. If it goes in,
[24:34] Speaker 2: I think that place erupts.
[24:36] Speaker 1: No pulse? No.
[24:39] Speaker 2: I think you're sitting on the floor today if that
[24:42] Speaker 2: ball goes in because the roof is going to be
[24:44] Speaker 2: blown off that building if that ball goes in. But no,
[24:49] Speaker 2: he air balled it. I'll be the first. I'll say it.
[24:52] Speaker 2: He didn't create much space, and Castle got up into him,
[24:55] Speaker 2: and he missed everything. And when that missed everything, I said, congratulations, Rashad. Congratulations,
[25:03] Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs. And all I know is in the
[25:06] Speaker 2: fourth quarter, They made six out of 11 threes. That's
[25:10] Speaker 2: hard to beat because every time there was a point
[25:13] Speaker 2: of no return for the Spurs, somebody, and it wasn't
[25:17] Speaker 2: Wimby dominating. He had 22-7, but he didn't scare me
[25:20] Speaker 2: the whole game. He had one block the whole game. Somebody,
[25:24] Speaker 2: Keldon Johnson, made two big ones and Fox made them.
[25:28] Speaker 2: And Dylan Harper stepped back at one point and shot
[25:31] Speaker 2: his line drive three. It gets like 10 feet off
[25:34] Speaker 2: the ground. It stays 10 feet and somehow swishes. I
[25:37] Speaker 2: don't know how he does it. And they made every
[25:40] Speaker 2: timely shot. And I say congratulations to you. They did
[25:44] Speaker 2: grow up right before your very eyes. And yet, I
[25:47] Speaker 2: will conclude by saying the Thunder will be back. And
[25:51] Speaker 2: I will bet you that going into next year, I
[25:53] Speaker 2: will bet you the odds makers in Las Vegas will
[25:56] Speaker 2: have the Oklahoma City Thunder as the favorites going into
[26:00] Speaker 2: next year. Want to bet? That's my spiel. And I'm
[26:06] Speaker 2: still alive. I'm still kicking over here.
[26:09] Speaker 1: Then what's in that body bag? Shut up. Shut up.
[26:16] Speaker 1: Shut up. You had your chance. Shut up. Stop fucking moving.
[26:26] Speaker 1: It's my turn. Contrary to belief, the one thing we're
[26:37] Speaker 1: not going to get is true credit. Shout out to
[26:40] Speaker 1: the San Antonio Spurs for doing the impossible. There was
[26:44] Speaker 1: only a couple of us that really truly believed. Believed.
[26:49] Speaker 1: It's disclosure day.
[26:50] Speaker 4: Remember, Skip?
[26:52] Speaker 1: Remember that? Do I? You remember the alien was a hoax? Yeah.
[26:57] Speaker 1: It was a hoax. It wasn't real. It's not a real.
[27:00] Speaker 1: It seems like an alien abduction to me. It seemed
[27:03] Speaker 1: like we went and stole the show, stole the light.
[27:07] Speaker 1: I think I'll start with actually talking hoop. Let's not
[27:11] Speaker 1: talk about who didn't show up. Let's talk about who
[27:14] Speaker 1: did show up and why. You got seven games. That's
[27:17] Speaker 1: why I picked Spurs in seven. Because in those seven games,
[27:22] Speaker 1: you get to see two good teams battle and go
[27:24] Speaker 1: back and forth, making adjustments in real time based on
[27:28] Speaker 1: what's going good and what's going bad. What went bad
[27:31] Speaker 1: for the Oklahoma City Thunder in game seven is we
[27:35] Speaker 1: had to adjust to a team who plays one way.
[27:40] Speaker 1: They depend on one guy. We made that adjustment. We're
[27:43] Speaker 1: going to let him do what he does best, which
[27:46] Speaker 1: is score the ball and not share the block.
[27:49] Speaker 2: He did have nine assists, but that's okay.
[27:50] Speaker 1: Who are you sharing it to? You didn't share it
[27:52] Speaker 1: to Chet, who's your third team All-NBA. You didn't get
[27:56] Speaker 1: him involved.
[27:57] Speaker 4: He was coughing.
[27:58] Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the other guys. The other guys
[28:02] Speaker 1: win you championships. The other guys win you games. Oh, Wimby,
[28:08] Speaker 1: he played an okay game.
[28:09] Speaker 4: He's 22-7.
[28:12] Speaker 1: But the other guy showed up. Why does the other
[28:15] Speaker 1: guy show up? Because the main guy has confidence in
[28:18] Speaker 1: the other guy. The main guy has confidence in his
[28:23] Speaker 1: other guys. He doesn't sit in a press conference and
[28:26] Speaker 1: he doesn't say, well, I never really got Chet involved.
[28:31] Speaker 1: I don't know how I would do that. We got
[28:34] Speaker 1: to figure that out. Now, we ain't got to do
[28:37] Speaker 1: none of that. Now, let's talk about Dylan Harper. stepped
[28:40] Speaker 1: up to the plate. Stephon Castle stepped up to the plate.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Why was it so tough for SGA to beat SGA?
[28:45] Speaker 1: It's because we made adjustments to make SGA work for
[28:48] Speaker 1: every single shot. It wasn't about who wasn't doing anything
[28:52] Speaker 1: on the under. It was about what we did defensively.
[28:56] Speaker 1: We didn't get no credit for actually crowding the paint.
[29:00] Speaker 1: Making them dribble. Making them shoot contested shots. Getting back
[29:03] Speaker 1: in transition defense. Why didn't you score off turnovers? Because
[29:07] Speaker 1: we went down and got stops. Late game. We know
[29:11] Speaker 1: it's a game of runs.
[29:14] Speaker 2: Fourth quarter.
[29:15] Speaker 1: We know they're a good team. We're up 10. How
[29:18] Speaker 1: do we keep the pace? How do we keep this lead?
[29:21] Speaker 1: When they strike, we strike. We got to get a stop.
[29:24] Speaker 1: We got to get the rebound. Luke Cornett sprint back
[29:27] Speaker 1: on defense and block that shit. You want to know
[29:31] Speaker 1: how to punch a motherfucker in the face right after
[29:34] Speaker 1: the tip off? You dunk on his fucking head. There's
[29:39] Speaker 1: a difference. between you and I. I come from a
[29:44] Speaker 1: place you could never come from. I was born in
[29:48] Speaker 1: a place you could never really fathom. Him, he's here. Now,
[29:56] Speaker 1: as far as predictions, you know, we had this conversation
[29:59] Speaker 1: where I actually predicted all these things. Everybody was against me.
[30:02] Speaker 1: I don't know why. Maybe it's my aura. But it's
[30:05] Speaker 1: not about me. It's about this culture of basketball that
[30:09] Speaker 1: we talk. And the sports media has been so flip-flopping
[30:13] Speaker 1: with every game, change here, change there. Anytime I talk,
[30:18] Speaker 1: everybody's face gets scrunched up. They can't wait for me
[30:20] Speaker 1: to shut the fuck up. But now I feel like
[30:22] Speaker 1: this is my time to kind of balance the plates
[30:24] Speaker 1: right now.
[30:26] Speaker 4: Right.
[30:26] Speaker 1: Can we get the tombstones in the chat, please? Can
[30:29] Speaker 1: we get the caskets in the chats, the full circles
[30:31] Speaker 1: and all of those different moments? Because we've been burping babies.
[30:39] Speaker 1: We're not tired. They said we was going to be tired.
[30:42] Speaker 1: They said we was never going to get over the hump.
[30:45] Speaker 1: He too young, giving him everything too early. The real
[30:50] Speaker 1: MVP is impressive in games where you do things and
[30:52] Speaker 1: you're like, damn, what is that? Wow. Look at that.
[30:55] Speaker 1: Look at that three. Look at that dunk. Look at
[30:57] Speaker 1: this half court buzzer beater. I didn't see that. None
[31:00] Speaker 1: of this series from the other side.
[31:02] Speaker 4: They were healthy.
[31:04] Speaker 1: But imagine you sweeping. Imagine you sweeping defensive player of
[31:08] Speaker 1: the year. All first team, all defense, first team, all NBA. MVP.
[31:14] Speaker 1: Get to the finals, win the championship, and get finals MVP.
[31:18] Speaker 1: There's only one guy who's ever done that. He's too young, right?
[31:23] Speaker 1: Too young to get all that accolades. But look, we're
[31:25] Speaker 1: going to make it happen. And you can't avoid what
[31:29] Speaker 1: I'm bringing to the table now. I'm bringing to the
[31:31] Speaker 1: table real hoop talk. And I think everybody needs to
[31:35] Speaker 1: start talking real hoop. Because everybody's just making these, just
[31:39] Speaker 1: because you play ball don't mean you know ball. Just
[31:44] Speaker 1: because you play ball, hey, we're not going to let
[31:47] Speaker 1: the noise distract us from talking hoop. You can talk, oh, man,
[31:50] Speaker 1: it's the underdog and all this. Man, look, we talking hoop.
[31:54] Speaker 1: We here to talk hoop. Don't avoid me. None of y'all.
[31:57] Speaker 1: Let's talk hoop. Whether it's Spurs or Knicks, I pick both,
[32:01] Speaker 1: so it don't even matter. I'm going to celebrate regardless.
[32:05] Speaker 1: Jeremy Sohan. Don't even matter. Getting a ring. Don't even matter.
[32:09] Speaker 1: Don't even matter. You pick both? Don't even matter. We
[32:14] Speaker 1: got limbs. We got caskets. We got headstone for you.
[32:20] Speaker 1: Headstone for you. Headstone for you. Headstone for you if
[32:22] Speaker 1: you want one. I'm not a denomination. I support LeBron
[32:27] Speaker 1: and LeBron alone. Everybody get a headstone. That's mine.
[32:31] Speaker 3: I'll land my plane for now. I'd like to get
[32:33] Speaker 3: cremated if you will. Spread my ashes over Staples Center. Kenny,
[32:40] Speaker 3: what do you think about Everything that Sean had to
[32:42] Speaker 3: say in my prayer.
[32:44] Speaker 1: He lost me for.
[32:45] Speaker 4: Yeah. I forgot where he was.
[32:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, forget. Forget. We can men in black. I could
[32:52] Speaker 1: just hit you with the.
[32:54] Speaker 6: After he was talking hoop, he said he wanted to
[32:56] Speaker 6: talk basketball first. I was in, then all other shit.
[33:00] Speaker 6: My attention span ain't that long, bro.
[33:02] Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. You could have learned something.
[33:04] Speaker 6: Nah, I was listening to the basketball hoop part, but
[33:08] Speaker 6: then you lost me.
[33:09] Speaker 1: You could have learned something. Nah, I can't learn nothing
[33:10] Speaker 1: in the basketball part. It probably was the burping babies
[33:12] Speaker 1: that turned you off. Nah, check that wave before it ends.
[33:15] Speaker 1: That's usually what does it. Check that wave before it ends.
[33:17] Speaker 1: That boy ain't part of the conversation. That makes it
[33:19] Speaker 1: mean that you ain't part of the conversation. Check that
[33:21] Speaker 1: wave before it ends. You sound good. It's all good.
[33:23] Speaker 1: Just say, Shaw, you was right. That's all I want
[33:26] Speaker 1: to hear y'all niggas say. Sideshow was right.
[33:28] Speaker 9: Yo, this part.
[33:29] Speaker 1: Somebody just texted me, I can't wait for him to
[33:31] Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. Yeah. That's how y'all always feel
[33:35] Speaker 1: when I'm on the show. I can't wait for him
[33:37] Speaker 1: to get off the show. Okay, where did y'all get
[33:39] Speaker 1: this nigga? Where he come from? Right?
[33:42] Speaker 6: I'm not making it up. I'm not making it up.
[33:44] Speaker 6: Somebody just texted me. I can't wait for him to
[33:46] Speaker 6: shut the fuck up.
[33:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a hater too, whoever that is. Whoever that is,
[33:51] Speaker 1: we know who haters are. Him downstairs. Yeah, him downstairs. Surgical, clinical, diabolical, psychological, doctor. Yeah,
[34:00] Speaker 1: don't matter. You still going to be in surgery, nigga,
[34:02] Speaker 1: whether you like me talking or not. Wait some more.
[34:08] Speaker 8: How do you feel about Wimby press conference? Does this
[34:12] Speaker 8: get off?
[34:12] Speaker 1: Like my life depend on it? You feel the same way?
[34:15] Speaker 4: Absolutely.
[34:16] Speaker 1: I'm down for this shit. 22 years old.
[34:19] Speaker 4: Said when he win.
[34:21] Speaker 1: Frenchman.
[34:24] Speaker 3: Prevail croissants and baguettes. Other fine culinary offerings. But let's
[34:30] Speaker 3: talk about just this series in general. It's going to
[34:31] Speaker 3: be the eighth straight season that there'll be a new
[34:34] Speaker 3: NBA champion with no team has gone back to the
[34:37] Speaker 3: finals after previous year's Thunder a game away. But when
[34:40] Speaker 3: we look at this, we talked about this early in
[34:42] Speaker 3: the season when the Thunder were putting belt to ass.
[34:43] Speaker 3: Asked you guys if the rivalry you said can't be
[34:46] Speaker 3: a rivalry until they see each other in the playoffs.
[34:48] Speaker 3: Now we've seen them see each other in the playoffs,
[34:49] Speaker 3: seven-game series. Whatever excuse you want to make. Injuries, all
[34:52] Speaker 3: that stuff. Teams are impacted by injuries across the board.
[34:55] Speaker 3: That's just how it goes. Thunder got a championship last
[34:57] Speaker 3: year because of injuries, some would argue. But did we
[35:00] Speaker 3: just witness the birth of the NBA's next great rivalry?
[35:03] Speaker 1: I don't know. They beat them, what, eight times this year?
[35:08] Speaker 1: They won four? Right? 8-4 this year? Mm-hmm.
[35:15] Speaker 6: But 4-3, when it matters. Well, yeah, but overall, it
[35:19] Speaker 6: might be. Like, if they meet again in the playoffs, yeah.
[35:22] Speaker 4: Okay.
[35:22] Speaker 6: This should start it. This should start it, absolutely. This
[35:25] Speaker 6: was the beginning of it, I think so. But if
[35:27] Speaker 6: they continue to meet in the playoffs, whether it's first round,
[35:29] Speaker 6: second round, conference finals, whatever it may be, then yes, absolutely.
[35:33] Speaker 6: But I think it's the start of it. Yeah, no
[35:36] Speaker 6: doubt about it. Because the Spurs want that. The Spurs
[35:40] Speaker 6: want that action. They want to prove to them, to
[35:42] Speaker 6: the OKC Thunder, that they're better than them. So whether
[35:46] Speaker 6: the Thunder thinks so or not, I think the Spurs
[35:48] Speaker 6: believe that it is.
[35:51] Speaker 8: It's hard to be a rivalry when one team get
[35:54] Speaker 8: red carpet, you know, get the red carpet treatment.
[35:57] Speaker 1: Red carpet? Yeah. Which team is that?
[35:59] Speaker 4: Spurs, you know. I feel like.
[36:02] Speaker 1: So you don't think they just beat them?
[36:04] Speaker 4: No, I really don't because I feel like.
[36:09] Speaker 3: You.
[36:10] Speaker 8: It takes away his game, too, as Shea at the
[36:13] Speaker 8: end of the day. When he was trying.
[36:16] Speaker 4: To draw the fouls he normally get, he didn't get
[36:19] Speaker 4: none of them calls.
[36:19] Speaker 8: Because they swallowed the whistle, man. But that's what I'm saying.
[36:24] Speaker 8: What superstar can that happen to? That's what I'm saying.
[36:26] Speaker 8: I feel like they just... Turned their back on Shea
[36:30] Speaker 8: like they did.
[36:31] Speaker 1: Right there back against Michael Jordan. They just stopped calling
[36:34] Speaker 1: that bullshit. They just said, get your ass off the floor, Swaggy.
[36:38] Speaker 4: Get up.
[36:38] Speaker 1: All that bullshit.
[36:39] Speaker 4: Every time he shot the ball, he was getting fouled.
[36:42] Speaker 1: He was doing what? He was getting fouled.
[36:44] Speaker 4: That's what they got a whistle.
[36:46] Speaker 1: So Shea wasn't getting fouled. What makes him not getting fouled?
[36:51] Speaker 1: It was pretty even. Pretty fucking even. Every game was
[36:55] Speaker 1: pretty fucking even.
[36:55] Speaker 6: I don't know the exact number, but I thought it
[36:57] Speaker 6: was pretty close.
[36:59] Speaker 1: Very close.
[37:00] Speaker 8: He got three fouls. Three free throws in one game.
[37:04] Speaker 1: How are you going to get fouled if we're giving
[37:06] Speaker 1: the ball out of your hand? We're getting the ball
[37:09] Speaker 1: out of your hands. He had nine assists. He has
[37:11] Speaker 1: to give the ball up. And when he did get
[37:14] Speaker 1: the ball back, he dribbled and took a step back.
[37:16] Speaker 1: He took a step back.
[37:17] Speaker 4: He got three free throws the whole season.
[37:19] Speaker 1: He didn't go to the rim.
[37:21] Speaker 4: He was doing his same thing.
[37:23] Speaker 8: How you going to take away something that I'm good
[37:25] Speaker 8: at and I'm actually good at?
[37:26] Speaker 1: Because it's not a foul.
[37:28] Speaker 3: Spurs, 187 free throw attempts in the series. Thunder, 166
[37:32] Speaker 3: free throw attempts in the series. Spurs averaged close to
[37:35] Speaker 3: 27 in the game, Thunder.
[37:36] Speaker 1: Say that again. I didn't hear it. Spurs had 187
[37:39] Speaker 1: free throw attempts. And they had 160. 166 for the Thunder.
[37:42] Speaker 1: That's about right. So Spurs about 27 for game, Thunder.
[37:45] Speaker 1: We got more aggressive guards. No. What do you mean no?
[37:48] Speaker 1: You got a bunch of... Come on. 180 of those
[37:52] Speaker 1: free throws are not Wimby or not Fox. It's the complete.
[37:55] Speaker 1: It's the red carpet treatment. It's not. Yes, it is.
[37:57] Speaker 1: We got four guys that drive.
[37:59] Speaker 4: That's favorite. People want to see. They want to see Wimby.
[38:02] Speaker 1: You got one guy that drives to the lane, bro.
[38:05] Speaker 9: Stephon Castle probably led the team.
[38:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[38:08] Speaker 4: But look how he was playing, though, too.
[38:10] Speaker 6: Yeah, he playing that, but the way he plays. He's
[38:13] Speaker 6: attacking the basket. He's not settling.
[38:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not settling. He's attacking Shea on defense, too.
[38:18] Speaker 6: But he's going to the rim because they're not afraid
[38:20] Speaker 6: of Chet. On the other side, them dudes pulling up
[38:24] Speaker 6: because they got that damn freak down there.
[38:26] Speaker 1: They got that damn alien down there. They pulling up.
[38:28] Speaker 1: They driven that motherfucker down. They driven that bitch back out.
[38:31] Speaker 8: Wimmy should have fouled out most of the game.
[38:34] Speaker 1: He had a lot of five fouls, bro. He had
[38:36] Speaker 1: a lot of games to foul out.
[38:37] Speaker 3: So Wimmy had the most attempts. Castle was second. Wimmy
[38:42] Speaker 3: had 57 free throw attempts in the Western Conference Finals.
[38:45] Speaker 3: Castle had 46 attempts. Let me give you What's Shea's?
[38:49] Speaker 3: Shea's 65.
[38:50] Speaker 1: He had the most. Yes. He had the most, Swaggy.
[38:54] Speaker 1: So it would have been way more. Nah, you just...
[38:57] Speaker 1: You wanted to be... You just giving excuses, bro. No,
[38:59] Speaker 1: it's three.
[38:59] Speaker 4: Three free throws. I don't... Come on, man.
[39:02] Speaker 1: Last time he went to the hole... And she also
[39:03] Speaker 1: had the highest usage rate, too, of anybody in the series.
[39:05] Speaker 1: The highest usage. You know what that is? It don't matter.
[39:08] Speaker 1: It does matter. You have the ball in your hand
[39:10] Speaker 1: the most of the time. It's my game.
[39:11] Speaker 8: It's... We just watched when he talked about flopping. They
[39:15] Speaker 8: showed Shea four times.
[39:16] Speaker 1: Nobody else.
[39:17] Speaker 8: Like, you can't tell me to be the end of it.
[39:20] Speaker 8: Everybody is against this man right now.
[39:21] Speaker 1: Ain't nobody against nothing. He's the only one we see
[39:24] Speaker 1: falling on the floor without being touched.
[39:26] Speaker 4: Well, my daughter to be nine years old saying, okay, see,
[39:29] Speaker 4: got their own rules.
[39:30] Speaker 9: Yo, it's the same shit we said about Joel, right?
[39:32] Speaker 1: That's just what they talk about in the media.
[39:33] Speaker 4: That's the narrative.
[39:34] Speaker 6: It's the same shit we said about Joel, right? When
[39:36] Speaker 6: he was playing against... How many times you gonna hit
[39:38] Speaker 6: the floor, bro?
[39:38] Speaker 1: How many times? Like, dude, it can't... Like, you ain't that...
[39:42] Speaker 1: You seven foot, 300 pounds.
[39:44] Speaker 6: But Shay, he used to getting those calls, right? So
[39:48] Speaker 6: he was accustomed to Rashad's point. He's accustomed to playing
[39:52] Speaker 6: a certain way and then blowing the whistle when he
[39:54] Speaker 6: does those things, right?
[39:55] Speaker 4: And that changes your game?
[39:56] Speaker 1: You have to. Because it's not a foul, brother. No,
[40:00] Speaker 1: it's not. It's literally not a foul, bro. It's a
[40:03] Speaker 1: regular season foul.
[40:04] Speaker 4: But that changes my, if I know I'm not going
[40:07] Speaker 4: to get a whistle.
[40:07] Speaker 9: Because you manipulate me?
[40:09] Speaker 4: I've been doing the same move all year.
[40:11] Speaker 1: Now you got to go to your other move, Nick.
[40:14] Speaker 1: What's your counter? If you're the MVP back to back.
[40:16] Speaker 1: If a guy is following me.
[40:18] Speaker 4: Just to foul me, you know, I can't, and I still.
[40:20] Speaker 1: Don't get the call. Hear me out. Hear me out.
[40:24] Speaker 1: Don't you have to have a counter, my nigga?
[40:27] Speaker 4: But his counter is the counter, the foul.
[40:30] Speaker 1: I'm coming up. I pull up.
[40:32] Speaker 4: You jump, run through my legs.
[40:33] Speaker 1: I can't. All right. You're not getting that call. What's
[40:36] Speaker 1: your counter, man?
[40:37] Speaker 6: He kicking his feet out, too, trying to draw the foul, Nick.
[40:39] Speaker 6: So that's the thing about it. He's trying to manipulate
[40:42] Speaker 6: them to throw the whistle. The same thing for everybody else, though.
[40:45] Speaker 6: What was Wimby's counter for being bullied by Harkinstein?
[40:48] Speaker 8: You can't make sure you pick on me, but have
[40:50] Speaker 8: the same rules for everybody else.
[40:52] Speaker 1: What was Wimby's adjustment for Harkinstein doing what he was
[40:55] Speaker 1: doing down there?
[40:56] Speaker 2: He shot threes.
[40:57] Speaker 1: He shot threes and brought them outside. He made them
[41:01] Speaker 1: adjust to him. He had to hit those shots. He
[41:04] Speaker 1: had to hit those shots. He had 22 points. How
[41:07] Speaker 1: many free throws? He had half his free throws. I
[41:09] Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe six. Maybe. But he hit shots... In
[41:14] Speaker 1: order for them to adjust their defense.
[41:17] Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to give you this about the aliens' defense.
[41:24] Speaker 2: And I'm going to give you this about Shea Gilgis-Alexander.
[41:29] Speaker 2: As Kenyon was pointing out, it's a lot of games.
[41:31] Speaker 2: He played four out of the five in the regular
[41:34] Speaker 2: season at SGA. So he played 11 games against the Spurs.
[41:39] Speaker 2: They held him under, across the board, everything that he
[41:43] Speaker 2: did during his back-to-back MVP year. Every stat's down, down, down, down, down,
[41:47] Speaker 2: except assists. Assists went up. But I did not love
[41:53] Speaker 2: what SGA said yesterday in his walk-away press conference. I'm
[41:58] Speaker 2: going to read you quickly this quote that I did
[42:00] Speaker 2: not love because it said a lot about what happened,
[42:04] Speaker 2: especially in Game 7. SGA said, There's a guy on
[42:09] Speaker 2: their back line that's just different. They funnel everything to
[42:15] Speaker 2: that guy. It's a really good defense, but it's not
[42:19] Speaker 2: impossible to score. It's just that it's very different. Okay,
[42:24] Speaker 2: now that's the back-to-back MVP admitting to me, He's a
[42:30] Speaker 2: little intimidated by that guy standing back there under that basket.
[42:34] Speaker 9: Should be.
[42:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it. But there comes a time when
[42:38] Speaker 2: you have to try that guy a little bit more
[42:41] Speaker 2: than you've tried him because he never tried him the
[42:43] Speaker 2: whole freaking series.
[42:45] Speaker 1: Caruso. Motherfucker had 12 blocks, didn't he? The whole joint, right?
[42:49] Speaker 2: Okay, that was not against these guys, but against the
[42:52] Speaker 2: other guys.
[42:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. In the series. Okay. He had 12
[42:55] Speaker 1: blocks in the game.
[42:56] Speaker 2: But I saw Caruso try him four or five times
[42:59] Speaker 2: during the series where he'd just get up ahead of
[43:01] Speaker 2: steam and say, screw you, pal. I'm coming. I am coming.
[43:05] Speaker 2: And I'm going to dunk it on you if you
[43:07] Speaker 2: don't foul me. And that's what happened. And Caruso kept
[43:10] Speaker 2: getting to the foul line and would register fouls on
[43:13] Speaker 2: the alien. Hartenstein... He's just not skilled enough, except for
[43:18] Speaker 2: his little floater. But he doesn't have enough at-the-basket skill
[43:23] Speaker 2: to get him in foul trouble. But he's not afraid
[43:25] Speaker 2: of him, obviously. But down the stretch of Game 7,
[43:29] Speaker 2: I pointed out SGA did not score a point over
[43:32] Speaker 2: the last 4-0-9. Twice he beat the double team because
[43:35] Speaker 2: he started to figure it out where his handle is...
[43:40] Speaker 2: Bar none, like it's the best in the league to me.
[43:43] Speaker 2: The handle to beat the double team, just to slither
[43:46] Speaker 2: through it, and it's Castle who's really good. Remember we
[43:50] Speaker 2: did our top five in the West one day after
[43:52] Speaker 2: the show, and I put Castle at number five, and
[43:54] Speaker 2: I think you thought I was crazy, but he's just
[43:56] Speaker 2: really good. And these are the two best teams, so
[43:59] Speaker 2: I loaded up my top five with guys from Spurs
[44:02] Speaker 2: and Thunder. But Castle makes it hard on him, and
[44:05] Speaker 2: he's going to make it hard on Jalen Brunson, too,
[44:07] Speaker 2: because he's really good. He's very physical, and he's just tenacious.
[44:13] Speaker 2: What's that?
[44:14] Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to make it hard
[44:15] Speaker 4: on Brunson.
[44:17] Speaker 2: But he's really good at what he does.
[44:19] Speaker 1: He's got a low base.
[44:20] Speaker 4: I love him.
[44:20] Speaker 2: And he plays football.
[44:21] Speaker 4: I love him.
[44:22] Speaker 2: He's a tough kid.
[44:23] Speaker 1: You keep saying he plays football.
[44:25] Speaker 2: Okay, well, he just does. He just does because they
[44:27] Speaker 2: let him get away with it.
[44:28] Speaker 1: He plays great defense.
[44:29] Speaker 4: He does.
[44:30] Speaker 1: I'm with him. He plays great defense. Hey, I like him.
[44:33] Speaker 4: I like him.
[44:33] Speaker 9: But they do let him get.
[44:34] Speaker 1: Away with it.
[44:35] Speaker 2: So SGA, down the stretch of that game, there were
[44:38] Speaker 2: three times that he split the double and got into
[44:40] Speaker 2: the lane. And I'm like– He's got five fouls. Just
[44:45] Speaker 2: one time. This is for the money. You're pushing it
[44:48] Speaker 2: to the middle of the table now. This is for
[44:50] Speaker 2: the finals.
[44:51] Speaker 1: This is it.
[44:52] Speaker 2: It's your house. It's your team. It's your time. Just
[44:56] Speaker 2: one time. Try to go up into him. What do
[44:59] Speaker 2: they always say about a shot blocker? What do they say?
[45:01] Speaker 2: They probably said it about how to counteract you.
[45:04] Speaker 1: Just attack.
[45:05] Speaker 2: Activize it, right? Get up into it. Just who led
[45:09] Speaker 2: the whole league in shots at the rim? Who took
[45:12] Speaker 2: the most attempts at the rim in the league? It
[45:14] Speaker 2: was SGA. Not in this series he didn't because he
[45:18] Speaker 2: would take one look and just like, oh. Oh, no.
[45:22] Speaker 1: No, I can't.
[45:23] Speaker 2: I can't do that.
[45:24] Speaker 1: Well, you can ask a guy like this. The understanding
[45:26] Speaker 1: of a big man is the rule of verticality. But
[45:29] Speaker 1: I'm about to give you something. So when I was
[45:30] Speaker 1: in college, right, Skip?
[45:31] Speaker 2: There's a way to try him.
[45:33] Speaker 1: No, Skip.
[45:34] Speaker 2: Just go up and turn into him as hard as
[45:36] Speaker 2: you can go.
[45:37] Speaker 1: They had a rule when.
[45:38] Speaker 6: We played UNC Charlotte and we was playing them. Skip,
[45:40] Speaker 6: if they got offensive rebound, they couldn't shoot it.
[45:43] Speaker 1: Pass it out. Do you know why? I'm controlling the paint.
[45:49] Speaker 9: Okay, okay.
[45:50] Speaker 1: I got it.
[45:50] Speaker 9: It's fear, right?
[45:52] Speaker 1: That man down there. It's a turnover. It's fear. It's
[45:55] Speaker 1: a turnover.
[45:56] Speaker 6: They looking at that and Shay, like all the points
[45:58] Speaker 6: you scored during the regular season, all this, all that.
[46:01] Speaker 1: It's great. He got five fouls. Shea and mine, they
[46:05] Speaker 1: ain't been calling this shit. They ain't been calling this shit.
[46:08] Speaker 1: I have to throw it to my open guy that
[46:11] Speaker 1: shoots three. They ain't been calling it.
[46:13] Speaker 6: So the game online, I'm going to pull up. I'm
[46:15] Speaker 6: going to do something because they ain't been calling it.
[46:17] Speaker 6: And him going, he got 5,000. There's a greater chance
[46:20] Speaker 6: that they ain't going to give him a fifth to
[46:21] Speaker 6: get him out the game at that point.
[46:23] Speaker 1: Unless I really, really, really sell it. I got to
[46:26] Speaker 1: sell it. But it got to be something egregious. It
[46:28] Speaker 1: got to be one of them. One of them hacks. Yeah,
[46:30] Speaker 1: it got to be one of them. But I don't
[46:32] Speaker 1: think they're going to call and say, no, that. OK,
[46:34] Speaker 1: but it's a conscious effort.
[46:35] Speaker 2: I'm going to try one time. I'm just going to
[46:37] Speaker 2: try to get out of the game.
[46:38] Speaker 1: But you can't afford it, though, Skip. You got to
[46:40] Speaker 1: think of time and score. You're going to try him.
[46:44] Speaker 9: They got to get a good shot.
[46:45] Speaker 1: Rule of verticality. He's smart enough to know. Let me
[46:48] Speaker 1: just go straight up. I already know you want my body.
[46:51] Speaker 1: I know you want to attack me. But I know
[46:53] Speaker 1: that if we collapse, help the helper. You got a
[46:56] Speaker 1: guy that's open over here. You got eight assists. You
[46:59] Speaker 1: want to throw it to him. We know this. He
[47:01] Speaker 1: might give you the layup, though. He might give you
[47:03] Speaker 1: the layup. And that's the thing. For us, we don't know.
[47:07] Speaker 1: We don't know if Kenyon really is trying to block
[47:09] Speaker 1: the shot. We know in his head, he is more
[47:12] Speaker 1: valuable on the floor than trying to get this block.
[47:15] Speaker 1: So he would give me one.
[47:17] Speaker 6: But I'm already here. Wimby already here with them dudes.
[47:22] Speaker 9: Well, he is.
[47:23] Speaker 1: So now you're in that gray area like, do I drive?
[47:26] Speaker 1: Do I pass?
[47:26] Speaker 6: Do I shoot it? Do I drive? Do I pass?
[47:29] Speaker 6: Now the indecisiveness should come in. Now you're at seven
[47:31] Speaker 6: seconds on the shot clock. Now you've got to really
[47:33] Speaker 6: go try to make a play.
[47:34] Speaker 1: And it's what do you have at that point, too? Like,
[47:37] Speaker 1: all right, do I have my mid-range with Castle behind
[47:39] Speaker 1: me ready to block this little shot if I do
[47:41] Speaker 1: shoot it? Or do I throw it to Case and Wallace,
[47:44] Speaker 1: who's wide open, or Lou Dort, who's wide open? Like,
[47:48] Speaker 1: we're going to throw it to somebody.
[47:49] Speaker 2: But unfortunately, over the last four minutes, there were three
[47:52] Speaker 2: times he beats the double, gets in the lane, and
[47:55] Speaker 2: starts to go up. And then he just whirls in
[47:57] Speaker 2: midair like, I don't know what to do with the basketball.
[48:00] Speaker 2: I'll throw it to Caruso, who's one of six from Thoreau.
[48:03] Speaker 2: He's one of five, and he bricks another one. Or
[48:08] Speaker 2: I'll kick it to Kenrich, will you?
[48:09] Speaker 1: Really?
[48:10] Speaker 2: You're going to kick it to Kenrich? He took a
[48:11] Speaker 2: big three with 18 seconds left.
[48:13] Speaker 1: They've been hitting. Haven't they been hitting shots for you
[48:17] Speaker 1: when you were winning? You were applauding them.
[48:19] Speaker 8: That's what Shea needs. He needs them guys to hit
[48:21] Speaker 8: shots for him.
[48:22] Speaker 6: But that moment, I see what Skip's saying. That moment,
[48:24] Speaker 6: put it on the rim. Like, you get the paint,
[48:26] Speaker 6: you got two feet to paint.
[48:27] Speaker 2: I don't know. Just one time, I'm going to try him,
[48:29] Speaker 2: and he never tried him. You know what? In seven games,
[48:33] Speaker 2: he never tried him. And you can, you know, you
[48:36] Speaker 2: probably could get embarrassed.
[48:38] Speaker 1: A couple times, he dunked a couple early in the series. Yeah,
[48:41] Speaker 1: he did. He dunked a couple. He wasn't afraid, even
[48:44] Speaker 1: the one we've seen where he went through and dunked
[48:46] Speaker 1: it two hands.
[48:46] Speaker 4: But to win, man.
[48:47] Speaker 2: There was no alien back there at that point.
[48:50] Speaker 1: No, he was there. Wimpy was there. He didn't care.
[48:54] Speaker 1: He was trailing. Oh, he was trailing.
[48:57] Speaker 6: If you're going to go, you got to go. I
[48:59] Speaker 6: hear your point, getting into his body. That's what guys
[49:02] Speaker 6: do for shot blockers. They jump, they want to get
[49:04] Speaker 6: into his body. I get that. But to Shea's defense
[49:09] Speaker 6: and everybody, you don't know if they're going to blow it.
[49:13] Speaker 6: And we got to get a good shot. I can't
[49:15] Speaker 6: go in there and force this at the rim under
[49:18] Speaker 6: three minutes. We got to get a quality. quality shot
[49:21] Speaker 6: right now. And if he's going in there getting two
[49:23] Speaker 6: feet in the paint and kicking it out to open three,
[49:25] Speaker 6: that's the way we've played all season and all series.
[49:29] Speaker 6: I got to trust those guys to make shots now.
[49:31] Speaker 6: So that's where the crew goes. Alex was one for five,
[49:35] Speaker 6: one for six at that point.
[49:37] Speaker 1: It don't matter. All it take is one. All it
[49:40] Speaker 1: take is one. And you know that if he's already
[49:42] Speaker 1: been hit, he had 30, then he had 20. We
[49:45] Speaker 1: know he's capable of bailing us out. We need this.
[49:49] Speaker 1: But a spade a spade, man. Like, if they get
[49:52] Speaker 1: anything from Chet or.
[49:55] Speaker 6: more than one of them started they got listen three
[49:58] Speaker 6: starters scored a total of 13 points between the.
[50:00] Speaker 8: Three of them man like and to Wimmy's credit he
[50:04] Speaker 8: didn't go for none of the pump fakes Shay did
[50:06] Speaker 8: in the paint that's like when Shay gets there.
[50:08] Speaker 6: Any of them games man it's a different ball game
[50:10] Speaker 6: it's a different ball game but I hear I hear
[50:12] Speaker 6: that point double.
[50:13] Speaker 1: Figures imagine Shay give you 10.
[50:15] Speaker 4: Points you gotta force it 10 points what you saying
[50:17] Speaker 4: you gotta go.
[50:18] Speaker 1: 30 but we talking about imagining it right 10 points
[50:22] Speaker 1: we could say Chet give us something right but I'm
[50:25] Speaker 1: talking about the defense that they was playing on the
[50:27] Speaker 1: whole team, the swarming, getting out to the shooters, being
[50:30] Speaker 1: able to just have a body in front. Chet didn't
[50:33] Speaker 1: have no opportunity, they didn't run nothing for Chet, they
[50:36] Speaker 1: didn't have nothing for him. Chet was giving that ball up.
[50:38] Speaker 9: He wasn't aiming either, he got the, listen.
[50:40] Speaker 1: Chet was giving that ball back. McCain. They did. When
[50:44] Speaker 1: he came in, they ran him. They ran him. Chet
[50:47] Speaker 1: was passing that ball back. Yeah, but he went to
[50:49] Speaker 1: the middie. Make your miss. For sure. But they went
[50:53] Speaker 1: to him. 10 for 21. He getting 20 shots. They
[50:54] Speaker 1: didn't run 20 plays for him. In one game? No,
[50:59] Speaker 1: not that one game. A few sets when they run
[51:00] Speaker 1: him off the screen and all that.
[51:02] Speaker 6: I'm just saying, but the other plays when the ball
[51:05] Speaker 6: is coming your way, Chet, and you got... He giving
[51:09] Speaker 6: the ball back.
[51:10] Speaker 1: Remember, I'm playing the flow like you said earlier. The
[51:13] Speaker 1: whole course of the season, we've been playing like this,
[51:16] Speaker 1: and I've been getting my scoring out of us moving
[51:19] Speaker 1: the ball and me being able to get the mismatch. Now,
[51:22] Speaker 1: we all switching this. We're switching here, switching here, switching
[51:26] Speaker 1: here with Wimby down here ready to go. So how
[51:29] Speaker 1: is Chet going to get his shit off if you
[51:31] Speaker 1: don't have no plays for him? You need to target.
[51:35] Speaker 1: We need to get Chet involved. And then Chet's mentality is,
[51:39] Speaker 1: I'll go as SGA goes. He gets me involved, I'm thankful. Well,
[51:43] Speaker 1: then that's on Dagnall too, though. That's why they asked Chet.
[51:47] Speaker 1: When Wimby go out the game.
[51:49] Speaker 6: That's when you go, hey, Chet, hey, you run plays
[51:53] Speaker 6: for him, you give him a few looks when the man.
[51:55] Speaker 1: Go out the game. Get him going. So, at a
[51:57] Speaker 1: certain point, though, Chet, Chet, 13, don't let me in.
[52:00] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you're an all-star. Not because he's going
[52:03] Speaker 1: to get his ass kicked. You're an all-star. Not because
[52:05] Speaker 1: he's going to. That's the point I'm making. You're an all-star.
[52:08] Speaker 1: You're an all-star. You got to be aggressive.
[52:09] Speaker 4: You can't get the ball and be looking to give
[52:12] Speaker 4: it up so fast. You don't even look at the rim.
[52:13] Speaker 1: But that's how he gets his shot. No. If I
[52:15] Speaker 1: get it and give it up, set a screen and pop,
[52:18] Speaker 1: I got my open shot. Or I'm rolling to the basket.
[52:21] Speaker 1: But we switching everything, so now you have nothing. Check
[52:24] Speaker 1: can't move. Check can't do nothing. At a certain point.
[52:26] Speaker 6: I'm going to go, hey, once again, I'm going to
[52:28] Speaker 6: go to my nets.
[52:31] Speaker 9: We playing the Spurs in the finals.
[52:34] Speaker 1: Yep.
[52:35] Speaker 9: I went down swinging three for 23.
[52:40] Speaker 6: Everybody in the comments always want to remind me I
[52:42] Speaker 6: went three for 23 in the finals.
[52:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, I went three for 23 in the finals. Absolutely.
[52:48] Speaker 4: Not one for two.
[52:49] Speaker 1: 23.
[52:49] Speaker 9: I got 23 fucking shots.
[52:51] Speaker 4: That's right. Not one for two.
[52:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. You see what I'm saying? Three for 23.
[52:56] Speaker 1: I didn't give... Hey, listen.
[52:57] Speaker 9: The next one going in. Hey, the next one going in.
[53:00] Speaker 1: Give me a shot.
[53:00] Speaker 9: The next one going in.
[53:02] Speaker 1: The next one going in. And I thought that... I
[53:04] Speaker 1: made two of my first three shots of the game.
[53:06] Speaker 2: Okay, just for point of order.
[53:10] Speaker 1: Shoot it.
[53:10] Speaker 2: Chet at the Garden this year against the Knicks, he
[53:13] Speaker 2: made six threes and they won the game. They beat
[53:16] Speaker 2: the Knicks, swept them for three straight years. And Chet
[53:21] Speaker 2: shot it a little, one percentage point better from three
[53:24] Speaker 2: this year than Wimby shot it from three. So he's
[53:27] Speaker 2: pretty good.
[53:27] Speaker 4: He's 36%.
[53:28] Speaker 2: You know, you would think, In the series, he'd make
[53:32] Speaker 2: a few. He made three in seven games. And in
[53:35] Speaker 2: game seven, to your point, I don't know how many
[53:37] Speaker 2: times he caught it. And it's like, uh.
[53:40] Speaker 1: Oh, let me hand it off. I'll pass it.
[53:42] Speaker 2: And can't you, you could just look in a man's eyes.
[53:46] Speaker 2: He just looked scared to death to me. I mean,
[53:49] Speaker 2: I felt for the kid. Like, I want him out
[53:52] Speaker 2: of the way. Just let him go.
[53:54] Speaker 1: Go put him on.
[53:55] Speaker 6: Listen, man, he was averaging 15 and whatever. Say I'm
[53:57] Speaker 6: when they gave him that 250.
[53:59] Speaker 2: 17 and 9.
[54:00] Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He signed that last. He was
[54:04] Speaker 6: averaging 15 and 7 when they gave him the 250.
[54:06] Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. Fuck that. You making top dollar.
[54:10] Speaker 4: Top.
[54:11] Speaker 9: You making top, top dollar.
[54:12] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. This is wrong. No, you don't get the
[54:17] Speaker 1: luxury of being that person.
[54:19] Speaker 2: No.
[54:20] Speaker 4: And we be letting you know what it is.
[54:23] Speaker 8: We be hitting you, bumping you.
[54:25] Speaker 9: This is a look in the mirror. Letting the whole
[54:28] Speaker 9: team know.
[54:29] Speaker 8: Letting the world know.
[54:31] Speaker 1: Y'all some unethical bumps. You said that did not shrink
[54:35] Speaker 1: to no one else in the NBA.
[54:37] Speaker 2: Not anybody.
[54:37] Speaker 1: Except for this guy.
[54:38] Speaker 2: He outplays Joker. Every time they play, I swear to you,
[54:41] Speaker 2: he's had a little advantage over Joker.
[54:44] Speaker 1: So let's contribute Chet's downfall to be at the hands
[54:49] Speaker 1: of the real MVP. At the hands of the real MVP.
[54:53] Speaker 2: I think you saw the real MVP in game seven
[54:55] Speaker 2: score 35.
[54:57] Speaker 1: But he lost. Yeah. He lost. Yeah. So when you
[55:01] Speaker 1: lose and you have to answer questions about getting your
[55:05] Speaker 1: third team all NBA teammate involved and you don't have
[55:08] Speaker 1: the answer. That doesn't contribute you to being the most
[55:11] Speaker 1: valuable player on the team that's going to take them
[55:14] Speaker 1: over the top. To me, I look at the other
[55:16] Speaker 1: guy and I say, he's going to talk to his
[55:18] Speaker 1: teammates in that huddle with a frown on his face,
[55:22] Speaker 1: telling them, hey, we got to get this done. It's
[55:24] Speaker 1: now or nothing.
[55:26] Speaker 2: All. All.
[55:27] Speaker 1: Give it all. And then they all come out and
[55:30] Speaker 1: do what? They deliver with confidence. Chet had no confidence,
[55:35] Speaker 1: not from his team, not from his coach, Even the
[55:38] Speaker 1: fucking crowd didn't even seem like they were confident every
[55:40] Speaker 1: time he caught the ball. You have to give certain
[55:43] Speaker 1: guys confidence. You got to know who you got. That's
[55:45] Speaker 1: scouting report. Who do we got on our floor? Just
[55:48] Speaker 1: like Jaden Durden. You got to give him a pep talk.
[55:50] Speaker 1: He came out, he showed. Chet, this ain't no pep
[55:52] Speaker 1: talk time. This is now or never. This is game seven.
[55:55] Speaker 1: You cannot have four points. You cannot have two shots.
[55:57] Speaker 1: But you cannot sit there and say, hey, listen, we
[55:59] Speaker 1: did not play defense to stop all of y'all. We
[56:02] Speaker 1: wanted to stop all of y'all. And we made shots.
[56:05] Speaker 1: We did what we spoke. De'Aaron Fox, shout out De'Aaron Fox.
[56:08] Speaker 1: He showed up in big moments to be the leader
[56:10] Speaker 1: of that team. He did. And to show them to
[56:12] Speaker 1: calm down. Give me the ball. Let me dribble it up.
[56:15] Speaker 1: We don't need no more turnovers like we did in
[56:17] Speaker 1: the fourth with those four turnovers from Castle. But that's
[56:21] Speaker 1: a part of the game. The game of runs. Speed
[56:23] Speaker 1: them up. Let's get our runs. We still got three
[56:26] Speaker 1: referees on our side. All we got to do is
[56:28] Speaker 1: do what we need to do to get the ball back.
[56:30] Speaker 1: SGA was ready for the moment. It's just that it
[56:32] Speaker 1: wasn't his moment. It's our time now.
[56:35] Speaker 3: It was Wimby's moment. Wimby named Western Conference Finals MVP.
[56:39] Speaker 3: Average 27 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, 1.4 steals, 48, 40,
[56:44] Speaker 3: 90 splits. Only player ever with 150-plus points, 75-plus rebounds,
[56:49] Speaker 3: 50-plus made free throws, 15-plus threes, 15-plus blocks, and 10-plus
[56:53] Speaker 3: steals over any seven-game span, regular season, or playoffs. Youngest
[56:58] Speaker 3: Conference Finals MVP. Youngest defensive player of the year, only
[57:01] Speaker 3: unanimous selection. Youngest player with both first team.
[57:04] Speaker 1: All NBA, and all defensive selections.
[57:07] Speaker 3: So, Rashad, I ask you, you've maintained for a while
[57:09] Speaker 3: that you think Wimby, best player in the league, has
[57:11] Speaker 3: Wimby cemented himself as the new face of the National
[57:15] Speaker 3: Basketball Association?
[57:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, man, according to swag, you know. Anthony Edwards was
[57:20] Speaker 1: the guy. Jason Tatum was the guy. And you had
[57:24] Speaker 1: Steph and you had LeBron.
[57:26] Speaker 4: I mean.
[57:28] Speaker 1: for an international guy to come in and really just
[57:31] Speaker 1: show the world that his talent is on a different level.
[57:36] Speaker 1: And it's no shade to anybody else in the league,
[57:38] Speaker 1: but he does it on both sides of the floor.
[57:40] Speaker 1: To see the way he shot the ball in Game
[57:42] Speaker 1: 7 with confidence reminded me of Steph at 7'5. Be
[57:48] Speaker 1: able to hit those shots with confidence when you needed it.
[57:50] Speaker 1: It was like we were watching that game, pins and needles,
[57:53] Speaker 1: and I think as a Game 7 player, You can't
[57:55] Speaker 1: get any more entertaining than that for the NBA. I
[57:58] Speaker 1: think as a culture, we should embrace the fact that
[58:00] Speaker 1: this was an amazing Western Conference Finals. To go seven
[58:04] Speaker 1: against a rival that were the number one team and
[58:07] Speaker 1: the number two team hitting it up, and then Wimby
[58:10] Speaker 1: and Chet having a rivalry, and then Castle having a
[58:14] Speaker 1: real understanding that this is really my challenge to stop SGA.
[58:19] Speaker 1: You can't write the story any better. And to beat
[58:21] Speaker 1: them on their home floor, on the road, No nuns
[58:26] Speaker 1: in the building. None of that. No drum.
[58:31] Speaker 9: No, none of that.
[58:32] Speaker 2: There was one nun in the building, Chet.
[58:34] Speaker 1: He was a nun, right?
[58:36] Speaker 4: He was a nun.
[58:37] Speaker 2: Big nun.
[58:38] Speaker 1: I'm blaming it on you, Skip. It's you. You the
[58:40] Speaker 1: one went over there. You went over there from over here.
[58:44] Speaker 1: And they looking at you like, why are you over
[58:45] Speaker 1: here now? Yeah. It was all Skip Bayless' fault.
[58:50] Speaker 2: My fault.
[58:51] Speaker 1: And he don't want to admit that he picked the
[58:53] Speaker 1: wrong team. He's going to stand in his grave in
[58:56] Speaker 1: the cemetery begging for light. And there's no dirt that
[59:00] Speaker 1: I'm going to dig off of his grave to make
[59:02] Speaker 1: sure he can breathe straight. He's going to die on
[59:04] Speaker 1: this hill. We're going to let him die. Shout out
[59:08] Speaker 1: Sister Mary Clarence. My favorite nun. Yeah. Oh, happy day. Yeah.
[59:14] Speaker 2: Shout out Jalen Williams and A.J. Mitchell because when they
[59:17] Speaker 2: get healthy, you're going to be in trouble.
[59:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, man. They said the same thing with Kevin Love
[59:22] Speaker 1: and Kyrie Irving. Yeah.
[59:24] Speaker 3: You were talking earlier about losing your second and third.
[59:26] Speaker 3: I thought about LeBron 2015. I don't remember if you
[59:29] Speaker 3: put that on your list of failures.
[59:31] Speaker 1: I don't think no decision. Chet is a guy that
[59:35] Speaker 1: right now.
[59:37] Speaker 9: They can't pay everybody.
[59:38] Speaker 1: You're going to move Chet? They're going to have to
[59:39] Speaker 1: do it. Third team All-NBA? They got some decisions to make,
[59:42] Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I think everybody jumps in. Him and
[59:44] Speaker 1: Jalen both getting 41? No. Him and Kendrick Perkins saying
[59:47] Speaker 1: you're going to move him and you should move him
[59:49] Speaker 1: because of the moment and all these things. There's a
[59:50] Speaker 1: lot of guys shrunk in the moment this year. Don't
[59:52] Speaker 1: just jump to the conclusion and just be like, move him. No,
[59:55] Speaker 1: I'm just thinking they got Hardenstein. They got some issues.
[59:59] Speaker 1: They got some money issues. We're going to dive deeper
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: to the thunder. They got money issues. They got a
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: lot of pigs too. So, look.
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: Let me say about women, y'all. So here's the alien
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: that I saw over seven games because I got to
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: see him under fire because Oklahoma City plays pretty good defense.
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: And their plan for him was at times pretty good
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: because they had some runs against him at game three
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: at San Antonio. They went on a run and won
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: 123-93 after being down 15-0. So it struck me during
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: Game 7, he sees himself as a two-guard. And I'm
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: not sure that's ever going to change. He didn't hurt
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: Oklahoma City on pick-and-roll lob dunks. He'd get a couple
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: a game because he's going to. He can dunk it
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: standing still. You know, with his feet on the floor,
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: he can dunk it. So he's going to get a
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: couple of those. But the point is, he's at his happiest.
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: They just flip it to him, you know, kind of
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: beyond the elbow a little bit. He catches it, and
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: then he turns and faces it. And he wants to
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: do this. That's who he is. When he looks in
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: the mirror, he sees that. I'm a two guard. And
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: I want to do this and I'm at my happiest
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: when I'm making threes. And I've never seen anything quite
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: like that because I think we can all agree he's
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: the tallest two guard we've ever seen by about a foot, right?
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: And yet on the defensive end, he does get great
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: joy out of blocking shots. and they're not like make-you-eat-it
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: kind of blocks. They're just out of nowhere, he just
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: swoops and blocks it, and you're like, well, that's unfair.
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: You know, like we can't, to your point, where you
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: start to go up and you just say, he's just
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: too long.
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: I mean, I can't.
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: There's nothing I can do to get this ball up
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: over him. Hartenstein made a couple of floaters where I said,
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: I don't even know how he did that because he
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: had to launch it so high. The degree of difficulty
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: of the ball actually finding– the cup was extreme. And
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: so you've got a guy who sees himself as a
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: two guard who mostly plays two guard and you don't
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: know how to defend him because do you put Caruso
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: and Dort on him or do you put Hardenstein on him?
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: Because he, he, He can hurt you some in the paint,
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: but not all that much. He's mostly going to shoot
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: threes or jumpers.
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: Well, the 41 points he had was on the offensive
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: rebounds of you putting a little guy on you.
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: That was different.
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: And we now can get the rebound and throw it
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: right back off you. Now you've got to make adjustments.
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: You put a bigger guy on me, tell him to
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: be physical. Let me bring him outside. He's got to
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: guard the three. Now it opens us up for offensive
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: rebounding for our guard.
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: But even in game seven, they put the other Jalen
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: on him. He's like 6'10, maybe.
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: And he did a nice job.
[1:03:10] Speaker 2: He hung right in there with him.
[1:03:11] Speaker 4: He kept going for every pump fake.
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, he was going for the pump fake. And he
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: was fouling. He was fouling on the shot.
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: Okay, but he hung in there with him, and it
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: was okay. It wasn't like a mismatch to me. But
[1:03:21] Speaker 2: on the defensive end, he creates one huge mismatch. And
[1:03:27] Speaker 2: he was the reason that the back-to-back MVP didn't take
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: over the game.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: Right? All right. That shit going to change next year.
[1:03:36] Speaker 4: Next year, they got their full team.
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: Now they can't play at the same time.
[1:03:39] Speaker 4: Then we're going to see how you play against a
[1:03:40] Speaker 4: full team.
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: Guess who don't play defense on their side? You can't
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: play defense. All Anthony Towns does not play defense.
[1:03:46] Speaker 6: Well, then they're going to put him on the perimeter,
[1:03:47] Speaker 6: so they're going to put A.J. Onobi on there. That's
[1:03:49] Speaker 6: what I'm thinking. They could, but O.G. don't play defense
[1:03:53] Speaker 6: like Caruso or Dort.
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: Come on, all NBA, second team, all NBA defense. It's
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: my style. The style of defense, O.G. don't play the tough, ah, ah, ah.
[1:04:01] Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: He move his feet. He stay in front. He's not physical.
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: He play defense like Kawhi Leonard. A little bit, but
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: that's different from Caruso and Dort where I'm physical with you.
[1:04:11] Speaker 4: That's all you got to do.
[1:04:13] Speaker 6: I know we're going to get to it, but I'm
[1:04:13] Speaker 6: saying they're going to have to play a different next
[1:04:15] Speaker 6: series because he can't be roaming. I can tell you
[1:04:18] Speaker 6: that shit.
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: Let's hit the Thunder real quick and then we'll shift
[1:04:23] Speaker 3: to NBA Finals preview. So, Thunder started season 24-1. Dealt
[1:04:27] Speaker 3: with injuries to key players like Jalen Williams and Isaiah
[1:04:29] Speaker 3: Hardenstein during the regular season and postseason in Jalen Williams' case,
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: still finished first in the West for the third straight season,
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: swept the Suns in the first round, beat the Lakers
[1:04:37] Speaker 3: in the minimum amount of games needed in the second round.
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: And despite being down two of their top four playoff
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: scores for most of this series and getting an underwhelming
[1:04:47] Speaker 3: performance from All-NBA big man Chet Holman, Esha and the
[1:04:49] Speaker 3: rest of his supporting cast were still able to stretch
[1:04:52] Speaker 3: a series of seven games. So in his end-of-season interview Sunday,
[1:04:55] Speaker 3: Esha was asked how he would measure this season and
[1:04:58] Speaker 3: had this response.
[1:04:59] Speaker 5: It was a failure. Like I failed at my goal.
[1:05:02] Speaker 5: Like I didn't achieve what I wanted to achieve. Um,
[1:05:09] Speaker 5: but through my experiences, I, I learned the most about
[1:05:12] Speaker 5: myself and I.
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: Make the, the.
[1:05:19] Speaker 5: Like greatest amount of increases I have in my, in
[1:05:22] Speaker 5: my career when I fail at my goal and don't
[1:05:24] Speaker 5: get what I want. Um, and I look at this
[1:05:27] Speaker 5: no different. Like, I didn't get where I wanted to
[1:05:31] Speaker 5: go this season. There's a reason for that. Now I
[1:05:35] Speaker 5: have to look at that reason and try to make
[1:05:38] Speaker 5: sure it never happens again.
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: That man looking like he just got out of rehab.
[1:05:44] Speaker 3: In the Western Conference Finals, Shea averaged 26 points, nine assists,
[1:05:47] Speaker 3: shot 41% from the field, 29% from distance. His field
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: goal percentage, the lowest field goal percentage by an MVP
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: in the Western Conference Finals series since 1956. So Swaggy,
[1:05:57] Speaker 3: would you agree? With S.J. saying the Thunder season was
[1:06:00] Speaker 3: a failure.
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: He didn't say the Thunder season. Or his personal.
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:06:06] Speaker 8: Well, it's tough to say because you still stay number
[1:06:11] Speaker 8: one without, you know, your arguably pipping. You know, J.Dub
[1:06:17] Speaker 8: was hurt for pretty much the whole season coming in
[1:06:21] Speaker 8: and out.
[1:06:21] Speaker 4: And that can mess with a team, you know, because A.J.
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: Balling.
[1:06:26] Speaker 8: Then you get to start back and everybody got to
[1:06:28] Speaker 8: go back into different roles. But to play through all that,
[1:06:35] Speaker 8: I would say it was a success. You know, you're
[1:06:37] Speaker 8: going in there against the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals.
[1:06:42] Speaker 8: Your lineup is Shea, Wallace, Caruso, and Hockestein.
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: Lou Dork still had.
[1:06:51] Speaker 4: Oh, Lou Dork. But these are guys like.
[1:06:54] Speaker 8: I would say it's It's like the same team Brown
[1:06:58] Speaker 8: had against Houston.
[1:06:59] Speaker 4: You know, same situation.
[1:07:04] Speaker 8: And you still went to a seven, you know, so
[1:07:06] Speaker 8: you got to give Shays credit for sure. Still MVP,
[1:07:12] Speaker 8: still tried through double teams and made the best out
[1:07:18] Speaker 8: of it. So I think they'll be back, you know.
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: Can you agree or disagree with SGA saying this season
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: was a failure?
[1:07:25] Speaker 6: By his assessment, he was trying to get another championship
[1:07:28] Speaker 6: or at least make it back to the finals, give
[1:07:30] Speaker 6: himself a chance. Had a decent regular season. Like I said,
[1:07:35] Speaker 6: we all know they got off to a blazing start.
[1:07:39] Speaker 6: But yeah, if his goal is to be champion again,
[1:07:44] Speaker 6: then yeah, by his assessment, it's a failure. Whether it
[1:07:49] Speaker 6: was injury, whether it was a better team, whatever the
[1:07:52] Speaker 6: case may be, he looked at it as a failure,
[1:07:53] Speaker 6: so Who am I to tell him different, right? You
[1:07:58] Speaker 6: go out to compete, to win, and he feels that
[1:08:01] Speaker 6: he came up short. He didn't lead his team. Him
[1:08:03] Speaker 6: being the MVP, him being the two-time MVP, he feels
[1:08:07] Speaker 6: he didn't do enough to lead his team back to
[1:08:10] Speaker 6: the promised land. So in his eyes, in his soul,
[1:08:14] Speaker 6: it's a failure.
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: And he didn't.
[1:08:17] Speaker 4: Get no excuses.
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[1:08:18] Speaker 6: So whatever it is, he said he has to look
[1:08:20] Speaker 6: at whatever, for whatever those reasons are, those failures are,
[1:08:24] Speaker 6: His words, he has to look in the mirror. He
[1:08:26] Speaker 6: has to go back to the drawing board and try
[1:08:27] Speaker 6: to get better. What that looks like, I don't know.
[1:08:34] Speaker 6: You've averaged over 30 the last three years. It's went
[1:08:36] Speaker 6: up each year. Maybe averaging more assists. Maybe being a
[1:08:40] Speaker 6: better player. I don't know what it looks like for him,
[1:08:43] Speaker 6: but if he feels that way, then more power to
[1:08:45] Speaker 6: him that he feels he needs to get better. That's
[1:08:49] Speaker 6: what you want out of your stars and out of
[1:08:51] Speaker 6: your best players. You want them to always strive to
[1:08:54] Speaker 6: want to get better. So, yeah, let's see what that
[1:08:58] Speaker 6: looks like next year.
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: Also said that he was going to trust Sam Presti
[1:09:02] Speaker 3: with all personnel decisions, said he would have no input
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: in any offseason moves on the Thunder side. But Skip,
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: when you hear SGA saying the season was a failure.
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: I loved it. I would have been very disappointed if
[1:09:16] Speaker 2: he had said anything but that. He won a championship
[1:09:21] Speaker 2: last year, and he was the main reason for that championship.
[1:09:25] Speaker 2: He went back-to-back MVPs and deserved both of them. And
[1:09:31] Speaker 2: now it's just all about the championship. And I think
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: he would tell you he needed to play just a
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: little bigger, a little longer, that he did go the
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: last four minutes without scoring a point, and he knows that.
[1:09:48] Speaker 2: And he knows that they gave him a lot of
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: problems for the whole year, for all 11 games he
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: played against them. And so it's a failure because he
[1:09:56] Speaker 2: allowed you and them to rise up and feel like
[1:10:03] Speaker 2: they now own the league. And I do agree in
[1:10:06] Speaker 2: principle with what you're saying. This is what the league wanted.
[1:10:11] Speaker 2: This is what the networks wanted. This is the finals
[1:10:14] Speaker 2: the networks wanted. And he knows that.
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: I do. God wanted this final shot. You can't leave
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: him out. He the one made it. American God or
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: French God or both. Or just the universal. It's the
[1:10:25] Speaker 1: unity thing. No diversity. It's unity. We are united. Statue
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: of Liberty.
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: The point is, the league does not like the Thunder.
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: They just don't. They're boring to most people. He's the
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: foul merchant. He's falling, flopping, blah, blah, blah. I've heard
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: it for three years. They just don't like them. They
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: don't rate. They don't sell. And now they got what
[1:10:49] Speaker 2: they wanted. And, yeah, I agree the refs swallowed their
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: whistle because swallowing whistle in Game 7 is advantage Spurs.
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: It just is. You can call it both ways by
[1:11:02] Speaker 2: not calling it both ways. You can just let them play.
[1:11:05] Speaker 2: That's big advantage Spurs. So, trust me, the league is
[1:11:09] Speaker 2: ecstatic with this. And trust me, that guy you just
[1:11:13] Speaker 2: saw up there.
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: Man, he contradicted himself over there. You sound bitter as
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: a mug. Hell yeah, man. You've been getting a whistle
[1:11:19] Speaker 1: all season long. That's been the discourse all year. Thunder
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: get to play as physical as they want. You get
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: the whistle all year. All of a sudden, you don't
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: get the whistle.
[1:11:28] Speaker 6: You get to defend guys the way you want to
[1:11:30] Speaker 6: all season long, and now people do.
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: It to you. Yeah.
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: Come on.
[1:11:35] Speaker 1: He was second in free throw attempts next to Luka?
[1:11:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, next to Luka.
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: Okay, these are two guys who get the whistle.
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, because he creates the whistle and deserves the whistle.
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: That's what he didn't do.
[1:11:47] Speaker 9: He don't deserve it.
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: He didn't do it. Yeah, you do. You got to
[1:11:50] Speaker 1: go do it. Yeah.
[1:11:52] Speaker 2: I mean, they will reward you if they know. They
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: have to know that you'll go make those free throws.
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: That's a big deal to those referees. You can laugh
[1:12:00] Speaker 2: at that if.
[1:12:00] Speaker 9: You want, but that's the truth.
[1:12:02] Speaker 1: Tell him about the refs.
[1:12:03] Speaker 4: He's a 90% free throw shooter.
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: Tell him about the refs. When you are aggressive, they
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: reward you with the whistle.
[1:12:11] Speaker 4: So he's not aggressive?
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: He was not aggressive. We were taking a ball out
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: of his hands. That's what the double team was for.
[1:12:17] Speaker 1: Play on the backside. You are not going to be us.
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: Do you know who the guy sitting above Mitch Johnson is?
[1:12:27] Speaker 9: Do I?
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: OK, that guy went to the fucking locker room and said, listen,
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: y'all playing like punks. You need to play like this.
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: Next thing you know, the adjustments were made. They keyed
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: in on the one guy who could beat them. They
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: took the ball out of his hands. They rotated strong.
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: They went to the backside and boxed out, got rebounds
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: and went down to the other end. It's simple hoop.
[1:12:51] Speaker 1: When you understand that, it's not about how many fouls
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: you got. It's about what we're doing to stop fouling you.
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: Play defense without fouling. Okay.
[1:13:00] Speaker 2: I'm just going to say this one last time. Jalen
[1:13:03] Speaker 2: Williams last year in the run to the championship, he
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: had 34 points in one game against Denver, and he
[1:13:10] Speaker 2: had a 40-point game in Game 5 of the NBA
[1:13:13] Speaker 2: Finals last year. That's how explosive a scorer he is.
[1:13:17] Speaker 2: And to get to within three and three late of
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: game seven, it's just extraordinary. It's about that guy, even
[1:13:25] Speaker 2: without getting to the rim, he got that team with
[1:13:28] Speaker 2: Caruso's and little Jared McCain's and Dort going five of
[1:13:33] Speaker 2: 25 for three.
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: Little Jared.
[1:13:34] Speaker 2: You know, just nobodies. He got them to the brink.
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: You're sweating in the fourth quarter because you think, they're
[1:13:40] Speaker 2: going to do it again.
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: Maybe.
[1:13:42] Speaker 4: Okay?
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: Maybe. What happened? That's like just saying, like, if Jason Tatum–
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: was healthy, the Boston Celtics would get past the team.
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: You talking about every little thing that you can inject.
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: But guess what? That's what world we don't live in.
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: We don't live in an if world. We live in
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: an it was written in the book world. This is
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: what happened. And he tells me this all the time.
[1:14:03] Speaker 1: You can say what could have happened, but what did happen?
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: What is actually happening? All right. We win.
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: One time today, if I heard you say, you know what?
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: We were we were a little lucky that they didn't
[1:14:14] Speaker 2: have Jalen Williams and AJ. I haven't heard that one
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: come out of your mouth one.
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: Time because you don't control the basketball guys and how
[1:14:20] Speaker 1: injuries affect the game of basketball.
[1:14:23] Speaker 4: You have to be the next by calling the calls.
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: That's like saying Indiana Pacers beat the fucking SGA in
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: them because Halliburton goes down. So do we have to
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: say now, like, oh, man, if Oliverton don't go down,
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: they win. But guess what happened? Guess what happened? It
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: did not happen. It did not happen. Now, you're saying
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: Jalen Williams was that much of a game-breaker. Why didn't
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: he play? He played, then he couldn't play.
[1:14:47] Speaker 8: I'm saying we pick and choose to say when they
[1:14:50] Speaker 8: deserve fouls, when Shea deserves fouls.
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: I don't think they deserve shit.
[1:14:53] Speaker 4: So you played on a team with AI. Did he
[1:14:56] Speaker 4: get called?
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: I don't think you deserve shit.
[1:14:58] Speaker 4: But did AI get called?
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: You get fired. Call or blow the whistle when a
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: dude get fired. Did AI get called?
[1:15:05] Speaker 6: If you are trying to manipulate the game.
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: I don't think you deserve it.
[1:15:10] Speaker 4: Did AI get called?
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: Did Steph get called? Did Steph get called? Did they
[1:15:14] Speaker 1: manipulate fouls? But when they do it, it ain't like, oh, shit, man.
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: They kept directing.
[1:15:21] Speaker 6: They ain't falling on the floor trying to get you
[1:15:23] Speaker 6: to blow the whistle. They playing through contact.
[1:15:29] Speaker 9: He ain't looking at the refs begging for the whistle.
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: No, Chuck got up. Chuck got up and ran down
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: the floor.
[1:15:36] Speaker 9: He ain't begging for the whistle.
[1:15:37] Speaker 1: Definitely not begging for the whistle. Listen, call the stuff
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: that you should call.
[1:15:40] Speaker 4: Who get it from?
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: Call the stuff you do. Lou got the foul, baby,
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: from A.I. and Shay got it from Lou.
[1:15:46] Speaker 4: No, bro.
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: Yes, you can't. The referees had a whole agenda against A.I.
[1:15:49] Speaker 9: To not call.
[1:15:50] Speaker 1: Foul for him. They didn't like it. They had a
[1:15:53] Speaker 1: whole thing. Tim Donahue said it. They didn't like it.
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: Tim Donahue. They did not like Chuck. But they can.
[1:15:58] Speaker 1: They didn't like Chuck. But they like Chuck.
[1:16:00] Speaker 9: Yeah, they didn't like Chuck.
[1:16:02] Speaker 4: So we could use that for Chuck, but not Shea.
[1:16:04] Speaker 9: But they didn't like him.
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: What are you talking about? It's a known fact. It's
[1:16:08] Speaker 1: a known fact. It's a known fact. They didn't like him.
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: The referee that was cheating games said, we literally don't
[1:16:14] Speaker 1: call fouls for Allen Iverson. Tonight, we're not calling fouls.
[1:16:18] Speaker 4: He didn't get fouled.
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: All right.
[1:16:21] Speaker 9: This is a fact. They didn't like this man.
[1:16:23] Speaker 4: Reto's AI average.
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: Give me one second, Swaggy. Yeah, he reaching. Yeah, he reaching.
[1:16:30] Speaker 1: He's reaching like a motherfucker. How am I reaching? It's
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: the truth. You act like superstars don't get fouled. Black
[1:16:35] Speaker 1: and mine waiting on you, boy. Kobe get fouled? He
[1:16:37] Speaker 1: foul baited all the time. Really? Because that's what Gil
[1:16:40] Speaker 1: and them said on the other podcast. He want to
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: come over here and say it. He said that Kobe
[1:16:44] Speaker 1: Bryant was foul baiting? Huh? What is a pump fake?
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: So pump fake, pump fake to get you out of position?
[1:16:50] Speaker 1: Out of defensive position. A pump fake, pump fake to
[1:16:53] Speaker 1: get you out of defensive position so I can get
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: a better shot.
[1:16:56] Speaker 4: Into that foul, baby?
[1:16:57] Speaker 1: No. Not if you don't foul me. You're baiting a
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: person when you fake it like you should.
[1:17:01] Speaker 9: No, I'm baiting on you to use your human nature
[1:17:03] Speaker 9: against you.
[1:17:04] Speaker 1: That's not the same thing? No, bro. Because if you
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: don't foul me, I got a good shot. I still
[1:17:08] Speaker 1: got a good shot.
[1:17:10] Speaker 4: Momentum carries you into me to push me and make
[1:17:13] Speaker 4: me fat. That's not the same thing.
[1:17:14] Speaker 1: I'm not falling on the ground, Nick. That is. I'm
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: not falling on the ground, Nick. That is. I'm not.
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: That's all Shane was doing, though. That's one play.
[1:17:22] Speaker 9: Come on, man.
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: He stops on a dime and why do you keep
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: doing it? And he got them calls.
[1:17:26] Speaker 9: He got those.
[1:17:28] Speaker 1: All year long. Not against the Spurs. They didn't do it.
[1:17:32] Speaker 9: That's one particular play.
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: Jump up and down. What's the rule of verticality, bro?
[1:17:36] Speaker 1: Jump up. Don't run into his body. Mm-hmm. What are
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: you talking about? They just played the perfect defense on him.
[1:17:42] Speaker 4: I get it.
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: No, they listen. Damn near close. Okay. So just hear
[1:17:48] Speaker 1: me out, Nick.
[1:17:48] Speaker 4: Just hear me out.
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: If he didn't try to sell it as much, he
[1:17:53] Speaker 1: probably would get more. For sure. For sure.
[1:17:58] Speaker 6: Because if you're trying to manipulate me into blowing the whistle,
[1:18:02] Speaker 6: I'm going to be reluctant to blow it.
[1:18:04] Speaker 1: Get up. You falling every single time.
[1:18:08] Speaker 6: So you know what went through it? So just hear
[1:18:12] Speaker 6: me out. James was doing the same shit, right? And
[1:18:14] Speaker 6: what did they start doing? They stopped blowing that fucking whistle, man.
[1:18:18] Speaker 1: Because they.
[1:18:19] Speaker 6: No, they changed it from not a shot at free throw.
[1:18:22] Speaker 6: But they could still easily blow the whistle on some
[1:18:24] Speaker 6: of that shit. They just stopped blowing the whistle on
[1:18:25] Speaker 6: a lot of them. Going through, you trying to... Because
[1:18:28] Speaker 6: you're trying to get... They know what you're.
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: Trying to do now. They got a large sample size now.
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: It's not a natural shooting motion, though, Nick.
[1:18:35] Speaker 4: But you're still falling for it, though.
[1:18:37] Speaker 1: That's the thing.
[1:18:38] Speaker 4: Why are you not penalizing me for your stupid.
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: But I'm not falling for it every time, though.
[1:18:42] Speaker 4: If I'm reaching through and you're fouling me, but.
[1:18:44] Speaker 1: I'm not falling for it every time. You get me
[1:18:46] Speaker 1: once or twice, the third, fourth, fifth time that you're
[1:18:49] Speaker 1: trying to do it, the refs are catching on. They're like, hey, look,
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: we got you the first two. Now you're trying.
[1:18:55] Speaker 4: But they changed the rule. It's not a free throw
[1:18:57] Speaker 4: no more, though.
[1:18:58] Speaker 1: Of course it's not because everybody started doing it. Everybody
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: started trying to bait fouls.
[1:19:05] Speaker 6: Play through contact, bro. That's what you've always been taught, right?
[1:19:10] Speaker 6: Play through contact. If they blow the whistle, they blow
[1:19:13] Speaker 6: the whistle. Everybody go, hey! Everybody do that.
[1:19:17] Speaker 1: If you're getting fouled, if you're actually getting fouled, hey,
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: come on, ref, that's a foul, right? But if you're
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: not getting fouled, you're manipulating the game. Every time you die,
[1:19:30] Speaker 1: you fire. You know you hate that shit. I'm going
[1:19:34] Speaker 1: to fire you for real. You got to. Now I'm
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: going to fire you for real. And I'm going to
[1:19:39] Speaker 1: try to make you feel just fine. I've seen it, though.
[1:19:44] Speaker 4: I play with Lou. That's why I've seen Lou get
[1:19:46] Speaker 4: them crowds.
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: They both lighting their ass. I wish I could get that.
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: But you play ball. You play ball, Nick. And you're 230.
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: You're solid, bro. And you're 230. And if you did that,
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: we would look at you like, Nick, stop doing that, bro.
[1:20:01] Speaker 1: Same thing. If you're 165 pounds, all you got to
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: do is you don't take much. That's what I'm saying.
[1:20:07] Speaker 1: It don't take much, right?
[1:20:09] Speaker 4: He's light.
[1:20:10] Speaker 1: But you not. That's why you wouldn't do it and
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: you don't get the calls.
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: But why are we penalizing him for being light?
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: Because he got to do that. No, he got to
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: do that because he's light. Because if we're guarding him
[1:20:21] Speaker 1: and he feels any resistance from our defense. He know
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: he can't get around us. We're too strong. We're too solid.
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: He has to manipulate the ref in order to get
[1:20:31] Speaker 1: an advantage over us.
[1:20:33] Speaker 9: Get this motherfucker off me.
[1:20:34] Speaker 1: Get him off. He got two. I got to get
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: two on him quick. Get him off me, please. That's
[1:20:38] Speaker 1: the only way I got a chance against him.
[1:20:40] Speaker 4: That's the advantage of little people, though. Don't they always
[1:20:43] Speaker 4: do that?
[1:20:43] Speaker 1: Now it's even. We're not calling that because it's not
[1:20:46] Speaker 1: a foul. Yeah, I just don't.
[1:20:49] Speaker 6: Of all the times that he hit the ground, if
[1:20:53] Speaker 6: you give him half of them, That's still a lot.
[1:20:56] Speaker 1: That's still a lot.
[1:20:57] Speaker 4: He don't shoot 20 free throws a game, though.
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: That's what we basically know.
[1:21:02] Speaker 2: 15s.
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: 12, 15 a game.
[1:21:03] Speaker 9: Regular season, he shoot 12 a night, 11 a night.
[1:21:06] Speaker 1: Was it 10, 11?
[1:21:06] Speaker 9: Yeah, 11, 12 a night, some shit like that.
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: But he had seven field goals for 32 points.
[1:21:13] Speaker 2: He made 16 out of 17 free throws.
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: Come on, bro. Shay third in his league, nine attempts
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: per game during the regular season. That's correct. He's a lot.
[1:21:23] Speaker 4: He averaged 36.
[1:21:24] Speaker 1: 31. 31 a game.
[1:21:26] Speaker 8: Nine attempts. That's only nine points out. He getting buckets, though.
[1:21:31] Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying. He painting there.
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: All 30 is that. Yes, it is.
[1:21:34] Speaker 6: Eight out of nine a night. He making seven, eight
[1:21:37] Speaker 6: out of nine a night. He's still putting the ball
[1:21:40] Speaker 6: in the basket, man.
[1:21:41] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
[1:21:42] Speaker 1: But it ain't 30 a game, though.
[1:21:43] Speaker 4: He painting the picture.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: Like it's all fouls. He's shooting 30 free throws.
[1:21:46] Speaker 6: But when you look at it in total, once you
[1:21:48] Speaker 6: look at it in the playoff series, all right, just
[1:21:51] Speaker 6: look at it in a playoff series format. When you
[1:21:54] Speaker 6: put a compilation together of game by game, right? Game,
[1:21:57] Speaker 6: how many times he failed this game? How many were
[1:22:00] Speaker 6: actual fouls, right?
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. The next game, how many times did he fall?
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: How many were actual fouls? Third game, how many times
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: did he fall? How many were actual fouls?
[1:22:07] Speaker 9: When you do it game by game like that, it
[1:22:10] Speaker 9: looks horrible.
[1:22:12] Speaker 6: When people break it down and you actually, man, he
[1:22:14] Speaker 6: failed 37 times in five games.
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: You're like, yo. Why are you falling? You don't need
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: to fall. You're good enough not to have to fall.
[1:22:21] Speaker 1: All the time. That's the difference of what we're saying.
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: We're not saying that he don't got game. I'm saying
[1:22:26] Speaker 1: he's way better than that. That's my thing. He's way
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: better than the half the foul.
[1:22:32] Speaker 2: You know what's horrible to me is trying to watch
[1:22:35] Speaker 2: Luka Doncic play basketball. Every single call, non-call.
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: Every one.
[1:22:42] Speaker 2: He just turns to the referee and he's like. He does.
[1:22:44] Speaker 1: He does. What?
[1:22:45] Speaker 4: I don't see that.
[1:22:46] Speaker 9: I don't see that.
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: Shea doesn't do that. Yeah, it is.
[1:22:49] Speaker 1: Shea doesn't do that. It's the equivalent of falling on
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: the floor. That's exactly what it is. It's the equivalent.
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. It's the equivalent of you
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: falling on the floor. Instead of doing this, you're on
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: the floor.
[1:22:59] Speaker 2: When he doesn't get the call, he gets up and runs.
[1:23:02] Speaker 4: Okay, cool.
[1:23:02] Speaker 9: That's the difference.
[1:23:03] Speaker 4: I'm about to say.
[1:23:04] Speaker 1: That's the difference.
[1:23:04] Speaker 6: Because he know it ain't no foul. Because in his mind,
[1:23:08] Speaker 6: you know what? If it was bad enough, he would
[1:23:10] Speaker 6: have more to say. If it was a real actual foul,
[1:23:12] Speaker 6: he thought he got fouled, he would have more to
[1:23:14] Speaker 6: say about it. I ain't saying he would get attacked.
[1:23:17] Speaker 6: He would have more to say about the plays. If
[1:23:19] Speaker 6: he actually thought somebody took his legs out upon him,
[1:23:21] Speaker 6: he not going to let it die the next possession.
[1:23:24] Speaker 6: On the next dead ball, you're going to see him
[1:23:26] Speaker 6: going over and have something to say about it. Luka
[1:23:29] Speaker 6: not going to let it go no matter what. He
[1:23:31] Speaker 6: going to bitch when he get.
[1:23:33] Speaker 1: foul, no foul, bitch down here, bitch down here.
[1:23:37] Speaker 9: But with Shea, it's manipulation.
[1:23:41] Speaker 8: Who should get treated worse than if somebody bitch over
[1:23:45] Speaker 8: something and one gets back and run on defense, but
[1:23:47] Speaker 8: he's the main focus of foul baiting.
[1:23:50] Speaker 1: What you just said about him falling is equivalent to
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: him bitching. So if I fall... it's almost a slight
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: to the referee because I'm on the floor and Shay
[1:24:02] Speaker 1: is like, I'm on the floor because he fouled me.
[1:24:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: That's what he's saying. He's like, bro, what are you
[1:24:08] Speaker 1: going to let him?
[1:24:08] Speaker 4: He's not staying on the ground.
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: I'm just saying he just got up and read. It's
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: not about staying.
[1:24:13] Speaker 4: It's being down here.
[1:24:15] Speaker 1: Because his coach demands something different. And he got something.
[1:24:18] Speaker 9: Different in his internal.
[1:24:19] Speaker 1: But what happens when you get knocked to the ground, right?
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: The referee... is looking like, oh, how did he get
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: down there? The player is like, he pushed me down here.
[1:24:29] Speaker 1: I got fouled. I'm on the ground. Luka don't go
[1:24:33] Speaker 1: to the ground. Luka will get fouled and be like, hey,
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: that's a foul every time. So him not getting back,
[1:24:39] Speaker 1: him complaining to the refs is equivalent to being on
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: the floor at all. Just like, yo.
[1:24:46] Speaker 4: What started happening against the Spurs to SGA?
[1:24:53] Speaker 2: He started falling because he got knocked down and not
[1:24:56] Speaker 2: get the call because they just said, we're not going
[1:25:00] Speaker 2: to call that in.
[1:25:01] Speaker 4: Man, that's what I'm saying. How you get treated like that?
[1:25:04] Speaker 2: And they didn't call it.
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: But guess what was happening on the other end? Guess
[1:25:06] Speaker 1: what was happening on the other end? And they could
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: call the shit on the other end. They was not
[1:25:09] Speaker 1: calling the shit on the other end.
[1:25:11] Speaker 4: They could call the same shit for him. They had
[1:25:13] Speaker 4: more fouls.
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: Man, how many times this man, Hardenstein, hailed that man
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: in one game? I'm talking about with the whole jersey.
[1:25:18] Speaker 1: With the whole jersey. No, he didn't.
[1:25:21] Speaker 4: Wimby got every call now.
[1:25:22] Speaker 9: Big man gets fouled way more.
[1:25:23] Speaker 1: Wimby got every call. He got every call. Big man
[1:25:27] Speaker 1: gets fouled way more. They didn't miss a foul on him.
[1:25:30] Speaker 1: They didn't miss a foul. Shot, would you say that
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: Wimby was foul baiting in game seven? Or did he play?
[1:25:34] Speaker 1: You see, when he ran, he failed. What about when
[1:25:36] Speaker 1: Wimby failed? What about when Wimby failed? I'll say when
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: the one game Wimby did foul bait was when he
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: had the 12 for 12 free throws.
[1:25:42] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: When he played bad, he had the 12 free throws.
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: When he failed, the.
[1:25:46] Speaker 4: Biggest motherfucker in history fell on the floor.
[1:25:49] Speaker 1: Did he get fouled when he hit his face and
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: he was out for the game? No, he's just dumb.
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: He clumsy. Okay, so did he get a foul, though?
[1:25:58] Speaker 4: Did he get ejected when he elbowed somebody and clapped
[1:26:00] Speaker 4: and cheered?
[1:26:01] Speaker 1: Did he get fouled when he fell on the floor
[1:26:03] Speaker 1: and he got tripped and he fucking passed out? Did
[1:26:05] Speaker 1: he get.
[1:26:05] Speaker 4: Suspended when he elbowed and cheered like he was happy
[1:26:08] Speaker 4: he did it?
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: He didn't get fouled.
[1:26:09] Speaker 4: That's because he clumsy.
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: He's stupid. Okay, so he clumsy and he's stupid. Guess
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: who else is clumsy and stupid? No, no, no, no. Shea, Gilchrist, Alexander.
[1:26:16] Speaker 1: Get your clumsy ass off the floor. When being.
[1:26:20] Speaker 4: Get your clumsy ass off the floor. His feet was
[1:26:23] Speaker 4: at the baseline. His body was at the free throw line.
[1:26:26] Speaker 4: That's two falls we talking about. We talking about two.
[1:26:28] Speaker 1: Falls, right? Did you see how he fell? Yeah. You
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: see how Shea fall?
[1:26:33] Speaker 4: It's crickets for that, though.
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: I can do it, but you can't. But you can
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: do it ten times. I can do it, too.
[1:26:38] Speaker 4: It don't matter.
[1:26:38] Speaker 1: You still doing it. And you ain't going to get
[1:26:40] Speaker 1: the same energy. You still get the foul, though. Two times.
[1:26:44] Speaker 3: Last thing before we move on to our finals preview.
[1:26:46] Speaker 3: Thunder have some decisions to make this offseason. Like we mentioned,
[1:26:48] Speaker 3: Chet's five-year, $ 240 million.
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: And Jalen. Extension kicks in. Jalen Williams, extension kicks in.
[1:26:54] Speaker 3: OKC has team options on Lou Dorton, Isaiah Hartenstein, and
[1:26:58] Speaker 3: Kacen Wallace eligible for a rookie extension. Have two first-round
[1:27:01] Speaker 3: picks in this draft. Will be well into the second
[1:27:04] Speaker 3: apron next season, barring some moves to free up some bread.
[1:27:07] Speaker 1: So, Skip, I'll ask you first.
[1:27:08] Speaker 3: As our resident Thunder fan, wearing your OKC hat proudly,
[1:27:12] Speaker 3: despite them getting put in a pack. Do the Thunders
[1:27:14] Speaker 3: need to make a major move this offseason or run
[1:27:16] Speaker 3: it back with this core group?
[1:27:19] Speaker 2: I think they should mostly run it back, but now
[1:27:21] Speaker 2: we get back to the owner of the Thunder, Clay Bennett,
[1:27:25] Speaker 2: who I remind you once upon a time had Durant
[1:27:28] Speaker 2: and Westbrook and Harden and said, I ain't paying Harden
[1:27:32] Speaker 2: and let him go to Houston and the rest is history.
[1:27:36] Speaker 2: So they've got the options, as Josiah points out. I
[1:27:40] Speaker 2: think it's for 29 and 18 on hartenstein and dort
[1:27:46] Speaker 2: and dort said yesterday i want to retire a thunder
[1:27:50] Speaker 2: and it ain't happening.
[1:27:51] Speaker 1: Who said that you're gonna have to do it at
[1:27:54] Speaker 1: a discount discount and pay the country boys nothing so.
[1:28:00] Speaker 2: I i'm gonna guess he will not be a thunder
[1:28:02] Speaker 2: next year the problem with the whole.
[1:28:06] Speaker 9: Idea caruso caruso making 18 19 next year He does.
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: Caruso under contract through 2029. Yeah, he is.
[1:28:13] Speaker 2: But to your point about Chet, I got you. Everything
[1:28:17] Speaker 2: you said is so accurate. You've got to look in
[1:28:18] Speaker 2: the mirror. But when you look in the mirror, he
[1:28:21] Speaker 2: doesn't see anything. It's empty, right?
[1:28:23] Speaker 1: I dig it.
[1:28:24] Speaker 2: That's the problem. You can't teach that, coach that. Whatever
[1:28:27] Speaker 2: you add, I can't pour that into Chet. But I
[1:28:31] Speaker 2: know against Denver and the Lakers and name them in
[1:28:35] Speaker 2: the West, Houston, whoever it is, he's pretty good.
[1:28:39] Speaker 4: And he does change.
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: Change games, not like your guy does, but he's always
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: second in the league in blocks. Well, that's hard to find.
[1:28:46] Speaker 2: You know, you just can't snap your fingers and say,
[1:28:49] Speaker 2: let's be second. And there were some times against San Antonio,
[1:28:53] Speaker 2: even in game seven, I forget who he blocked at
[1:28:56] Speaker 2: the rim, but he had a couple blocks at the
[1:28:58] Speaker 2: rim where I said, oh, that's not bad because he's 7'1,
[1:29:02] Speaker 2: and he jumps a little bit. He's not a flat-footed 7-footer.
[1:29:07] Speaker 2: He's got a little spring to him, and against everybody else,
[1:29:10] Speaker 2: he's a 36% three-point shooter. So I know they're on
[1:29:15] Speaker 2: the hook for a ton of money that he did
[1:29:17] Speaker 2: not back up over these seven games. It was embarrassing,
[1:29:20] Speaker 2: and he should be ashamed of himself But they're going
[1:29:23] Speaker 2: to sit back and say, yeah, but we were the
[1:29:26] Speaker 2: one seed in the whole tournament in part because of him,
[1:29:30] Speaker 2: in part because we did have that. So, again, do
[1:29:35] Speaker 2: you trade him? Do you see? They're stocked with draft picks.
[1:29:38] Speaker 2: It's not like they need to reload. They got 12
[1:29:42] Speaker 2: and 17 in the draft.
[1:29:44] Speaker 1: Do they want to pay that? But then if they
[1:29:46] Speaker 1: do do it, they put them at $ 80 million over there.
[1:29:48] Speaker 2: Then Clay Bennett's going to have to pay the loss.
[1:29:51] Speaker 1: Or do they want to package that to try to
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: move up to top three to five?
[1:29:54] Speaker 9: He's got McCain on a rookie deal still.
[1:29:56] Speaker 1: AJ Mitchell. AJ Mitchell on a... On a rookie... How
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: much has he... How much he got to pay? AJ's
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: like three more years from like nine things. No, I'm
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: talking about the... Three for eight, right? The tax. If they.
[1:30:08] Speaker 6: As constructive, if they bring everybody back now with Hardenstein, Dort,
[1:30:12] Speaker 6: then that number is outrageous.
[1:30:13] Speaker 1: You got A.J. Mitchell two for six over the next year,
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: team option in the last. So if we get rid
[1:30:17] Speaker 1: of those essential pieces and we bring in these draft picks,
[1:30:20] Speaker 1: it will be more solid. You're going to get you
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: a 24-year-old. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm thinking.
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: We keep the 4-3 and we're going to get the
[1:30:27] Speaker 1: other guy.
[1:30:28] Speaker 3: You're getting rid of Hardenstein and Lou Dort.
[1:30:30] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:30:30] Speaker 1: 28 men and 18 men. You can't afford to play him.
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: But you can replace those guys. I can't replace Hardenstein. Yes,
[1:30:36] Speaker 1: you can.
[1:30:37] Speaker 9: Get Jalen Williams on the contract. He ain't making that much.
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: What did Harkin do? He was battling. He's got an
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: email coming next year. He's got a lot of extra rebounds.
[1:30:47] Speaker 1: He's Luke Cornett. He was putting the body on. Luke Cornett.
[1:30:52] Speaker 4: That's pretty good.
[1:30:53] Speaker 1: That's the beauty.
[1:30:54] Speaker 4: I like it.
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: But Luke don't get Harkin's time and money. But, hey,
[1:30:58] Speaker 1: the beauty about all them contracts is they're all team
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: options is the craziest. Yeah.
[1:31:03] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:31:03] Speaker 6: All the people we name it. Oh, nobody has a
[1:31:06] Speaker 6: player option on their team. Nobody has a player option.
[1:31:08] Speaker 6: Door player option for the summer, hard side player option.
[1:31:09] Speaker 6: I feel like all them guys will get picked up.
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: Team option. Everything's a team option. Everybody.
[1:31:13] Speaker 4: All them guys will get picked up.
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: They can find a way to wiggle through it. Not
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: from them. I know.
[1:31:18] Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
[1:31:18] Speaker 1: If they let go door... Unless they take a major
[1:31:21] Speaker 1: pay cut. Check on from... Team option, I'm saying.
[1:31:23] Speaker 6: They're going to have to... They won't pick up Hartenstein's
[1:31:27] Speaker 6: $ 28 million.
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[1:31:28] Speaker 9: They won't pick up Dort's $ 18 million.
[1:31:30] Speaker 4: Will you let Harkin sign?
[1:31:32] Speaker 1: Yes. Unless he take a major pay cut. Let him walk.
[1:31:36] Speaker 6: Like when I say made from $ 28 to like $ 4.
[1:31:38] Speaker 2: I know, but he was there you.
[1:31:41] Speaker 4: I can't let him go.
[1:31:41] Speaker 1: He was.
[1:31:42] Speaker 4: I can't let him go.
[1:31:43] Speaker 9: $ 28? I mean, Chet.
[1:31:45] Speaker 2: If it's Chet by himself.
[1:31:47] Speaker 1: I can't let him go. Why not? Why not? Is
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: Hartenstein averaging 10 rebounds a game? No. They still number one, bro.
[1:31:53] Speaker 1: They still was number one.
[1:31:55] Speaker 4: I can't let him go.
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: You're not giving him 28? Yes. You're not giving Lou
[1:31:58] Speaker 1: Dort 18 next year? No. You can't do it. Average
[1:32:01] Speaker 1: 9 and 9. Yeah.
[1:32:02] Speaker 4: 28 million?
[1:32:04] Speaker 1: 9 and 9? 9 and 9 and 4 assists.
[1:32:06] Speaker 9: 9 and 9.
[1:32:07] Speaker 1: 28 million? Nah, I'll pass.
[1:32:09] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:32:11] Speaker 9: I'll pass.
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: For Cameron Boozer? That's been the discussion. He's not going
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: to be 12. A Cameron Boozer over a Harkinstein. Trade 12, 17.
[1:32:21] Speaker 8: He's not about to be 12 and 17.
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: Trade up.
[1:32:25] Speaker 3: You trade 12, 17. Some of your other picks you've
[1:32:28] Speaker 3: got to say for the next few years to try
[1:32:29] Speaker 3: to get into that top three to five range to
[1:32:31] Speaker 3: be able to get Cam.
[1:32:32] Speaker 2: Hardenstein is an enforcer.
[1:32:34] Speaker 4: I don't care what you say.
[1:32:36] Speaker 1: If I'm a team, I'm going to get him.
[1:32:38] Speaker 4: He's a what?
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: An enforcer. He is. Not a chance.
[1:32:41] Speaker 2: He is their enforcer.
[1:32:42] Speaker 1: No.
[1:32:43] Speaker 4: He is.
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: There's nothing with Hardenstein.
[1:32:45] Speaker 9: He play hard.
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: Don't confuse the two. He gets offensive rebounds. Don't confuse
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: the two.
[1:32:51] Speaker 2: Okay, but who else is there?
[1:32:51] Speaker 1: Because you play hard don't mean you're an enforcer.
[1:32:54] Speaker 2: I said it's their enforcer.
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: No, it's not that.
[1:32:57] Speaker 4: Okay, then who is it?
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: It's Eric. Nobody? Lou Dort. Lou Dort is an enforcer
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: for sure.
[1:33:01] Speaker 9: For their team.
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: He's the guy that makes you say, oh, shit. For
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: that team, it's Lou Dort. Oh, shit. Man, I see
[1:33:07] Speaker 1: Hardenstein coming. Man, no. He's going to foul you. No.
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: You know he's here to foul. But.
[1:33:12] Speaker 4: The hardest guy in this era is, yeah.
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: No. He brings a level of toughness, or would you
[1:33:16] Speaker 1: say to that back line? Yeah, you can't say that.
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: He plays hard.
[1:33:19] Speaker 6: Like I said, there's a difference in playing hard and
[1:33:22] Speaker 6: being tough and being an enforcer.
[1:33:24] Speaker 1: You got Chet at 150 pounds. You got Hartenstein who
[1:33:26] Speaker 1: has to bring the pounds. And I don't give a.
[1:33:27] Speaker 9: Fuck how much he weighs.
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: Like, watch out.
[1:33:30] Speaker 6: Like, that's a difference, man, than an enforcer and somebody
[1:33:34] Speaker 6: that play hard.
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: When you checking the game and you enforcing shit. Look
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: what we did with the Knicks. Look what we did
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: over here. That's why they gave him that guy. He
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: played hard. He got offensive. He played hard. He didn't
[1:33:45] Speaker 1: foul hard. Mitchell Robinson. Is Mitchell Robinson an enforcer? Is
[1:33:49] Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson an enforcer? Is Mitchell Robinson an enforcer? Is
[1:33:52] Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson an enforcer? Answer the question. Do you think
[1:33:59] Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson is an enforcer? It's Mitchell Robinson, an enforcer. No.
[1:34:02] Speaker 1: It's the same fucking player. No. Same exact player. Yes.
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: And Mitchell Robinson actually blocks shots. Mitchell actually blocks shots.
[1:34:10] Speaker 1: They're the same person. They play hard. That's why they
[1:34:12] Speaker 1: had to get rid of one or the other. They
[1:34:14] Speaker 1: couldn't keep both of them. They play hard.
[1:34:16] Speaker 4: You could be an enforcer without being a bully, though.
[1:34:18] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
[1:34:19] Speaker 8: You could be an enforcer by just touching somebody, holding somebody.
[1:34:22] Speaker 8: You don't have to sock somebody or punch somebody or
[1:34:24] Speaker 8: scare somebody.
[1:34:25] Speaker 1: Name somebody.
[1:34:25] Speaker 8: You can't force your will on somebody by just being
[1:34:27] Speaker 8: strong and always touching somebody and moving somebody out of
[1:34:31] Speaker 8: the way.
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: Yes, you can. You think Ben Wallace was an enforcer?
[1:34:34] Speaker 4: Oh, God.
[1:34:36] Speaker 1: Yes. Of course.
[1:34:37] Speaker 9: So you look at Harkestine in that regard?
[1:34:39] Speaker 1: You think Harkestine is like a fucking Ben Wallace? You
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: think Jaden Dern, whatever his name? Not an enforcer. Do
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: you think Isaiah Stewart is an enforcer? Yes. Very much so.
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: When he comes in the game, you're like, ah, shit.
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: Which one was better then? Between who? During Isaiah Stewart.
[1:34:56] Speaker 1: As far as being an enforcer? Give me Stewart. Stewart,
[1:34:58] Speaker 1: for sure. When he takes in, you got to look
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: over your shoulder. Average two blocks a game, and you
[1:35:04] Speaker 1: know what he's going to do.
[1:35:05] Speaker 8: I'm putting the fighting over to the left.
[1:35:08] Speaker 1: The fighting is separate. The way you play the game
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: between the 94-50. When you check in, when that shit go,
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: and you look over there, you're like, ah, shit.
[1:35:18] Speaker 4: He's in.
[1:35:20] Speaker 1: Shit. They don't do that for Harden stuff? No.
[1:35:23] Speaker 4: Hell.
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: What was they? If he was an enforcer, he wouldn't
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: have to do all that nasty technical shit he's doing. Yeah,
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: he wouldn't have to do all that. A lighter shade
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: of skin, dude.
[1:35:32] Speaker 9: He wouldn't have to do all that.
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: If he was an enforcer, motherfucking, when he be coming in, motherfucker, he.
[1:35:36] Speaker 9: Put this shit in his goddamn chest.
[1:35:38] Speaker 1: Right away. This is our second season. Put this shit
[1:35:41] Speaker 1: in his chest. They got him, they won. The championships.
[1:35:44] Speaker 9: What they got to do with anything, Nick?
[1:35:46] Speaker 1: He plays hard.
[1:35:47] Speaker 4: You didn't win until you got me, though.
[1:35:49] Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with enforcer, though, Nick. You'll
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: be moving the goalposts for no reason. We got like
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: 14 minutes. For no reason. We're not talking about the
[1:35:58] Speaker 1: same thing, though. It is.
[1:36:00] Speaker 4: It is.
[1:36:01] Speaker 8: You're acting like an enforcer just got to beat somebody up.
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: No, we're not. We got a hard 130 out in
[1:36:06] Speaker 1: this business. You're enforcing the actual position you play. When
[1:36:10] Speaker 1: I entered the game, You know that there's a boundary
[1:36:14] Speaker 1: here when I'm in the game. There's a boundary. When
[1:36:17] Speaker 1: Harkinstein comes in, one thing you have to do is
[1:36:20] Speaker 1: box him out.
[1:36:21] Speaker 9: He starts.
[1:36:22] Speaker 1: You have to box him out. He tips the shit out.
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: You have to box him out. Other than that, he's
[1:36:28] Speaker 1: not going to hit you in the mouth.
[1:36:29] Speaker 2: Okay, but you can't say Lou Dort is an enforcer
[1:36:32] Speaker 2: because he's not tall enough.
[1:36:34] Speaker 1: But that team doesn't have to be. He's not in science.
[1:36:37] Speaker 1: Ron Artest? Was Ron Artest an enforcer?
[1:36:39] Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
[1:36:40] Speaker 2: He was a bad unit.
[1:36:41] Speaker 1: He was a bad team. On that team.
[1:36:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was 6'8, 240.
[1:36:44] Speaker 4: He was an enforcer.
[1:36:46] Speaker 2: Of course, sir. He got down in the 30s.
[1:36:49] Speaker 1: But Lou Doerr, 6'3.
[1:36:49] Speaker 2: You're not afraid of Lou Doerr. You're probably not afraid
[1:36:52] Speaker 2: of anybody, right? But my point is, if Lou Doerr
[1:36:57] Speaker 2: was 6'10, you'd be afraid of him.
[1:37:00] Speaker 6: The Utah Jazz team that had Darren Williams, Boozer, Matt Harp,
[1:37:04] Speaker 6: and Kerry Lincoln, who was the enforcer on that team?
[1:37:08] Speaker 1: Which– The Utah– Mimmy O'Core. Mimmy O'Core. Matt Harper. Caroline Cole.
[1:37:13] Speaker 2: Not Carl Malone.
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: No, no, no. Boozer and Darren Williams. The years where
[1:37:17] Speaker 1: they were with Jerry– Before Jerry Love. Matt Harper. Matt
[1:37:21] Speaker 1: Harper was the bruiser. 1,000%. He would run into you.
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: He would get fouls. He played hard. He did everything.
[1:37:28] Speaker 2: Now his daughter is really good.
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: Matt Harper. And then I would go with Karolinko after
[1:37:32] Speaker 1: that because Karolinko enforcing his way as far as how
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: he played. He wasn't no, I'm going to knock you out.
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: But he would do some dirty shit to make you
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: be like, I don't like playing against this motherfucker right here, man. Yeah,
[1:37:43] Speaker 1: I just don't look at Harden.
[1:37:44] Speaker 2: The problem with Lou Dort is he can't enforce at
[1:37:47] Speaker 2: all on the offensive end.
[1:37:48] Speaker 9: That ain't got nothing to do with it.
[1:37:49] Speaker 2: I understand, except when he's out there doing these.
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.
[1:37:54] Speaker 2: You know, and I'm going like, what are you doing, man?
[1:37:57] Speaker 2: And he's five of 25 from three against your team.
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: Brian Grant, enforcer.
[1:38:04] Speaker 4: Brian Grant.
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: Portland Trailblazers. Miami Heat. Miami Heat. Trailblazers, yeah. Yes. Yes.
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: New York Knicks, number 14. What was his name? Anthony Mason.
[1:38:18] Speaker 1: Charles Oakley.
[1:38:19] Speaker 2: Oakley was, for sure.
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: Antonio Davis and Bill Davis.
[1:38:24] Speaker 9: Rick Mahone.
[1:38:25] Speaker 4: But y'all going off of PJ Brown.
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: PJ Brown. Y'all going off of beating people up. They're
[1:38:31] Speaker 1: beating nobody up. Who being beat up? Who?
[1:38:35] Speaker 9: Who being Wallace beat up?
[1:38:37] Speaker 4: Shit, the Madison and Palace happened.
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't beat nobody up. He didn't beat nobody up.
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: He tried to. No, he didn't.
[1:38:43] Speaker 4: Choke the motherfucker out.
[1:38:44] Speaker 1: No.
[1:38:45] Speaker 4: Yes, he choked Wallace.
[1:38:46] Speaker 9: Ron pushed him in his.
[1:38:47] Speaker 1: Listen.
[1:38:48] Speaker 6: This is how shit go, right? This is what an
[1:38:50] Speaker 6: enforcer is, right? Ron Artest pushed Ben Wallace in his chest. Well,
[1:38:55] Speaker 6: Ben Wallace pushed him. Ben Wallace pushed Ron. Ron went
[1:39:00] Speaker 6: and sat on the score stand.
[1:39:01] Speaker 1: Over there. Ron is an enforcer for the Indiana Patriots.
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: This enforcer made that enforcer go over there.
[1:39:07] Speaker 9: Because if he wanted, he would have, listen.
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: Isaiah Stewart is more of an enforcer than Jalen Darden.
[1:39:14] Speaker 2: I once saw him chase LeBron across the floor.
[1:39:17] Speaker 4: Do you remember that?
[1:39:18] Speaker 1: So, okay.
[1:39:19] Speaker 4: So, it was Draymond Green the enforcer.
[1:39:20] Speaker 1: Yes, he still is. He's an enforcer. LeBron was Draymond
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: Green the enforcer. Yes, Draymond Green. David West. Yes. Enforcer. Yes.
[1:39:26] Speaker 1: Don't play with me. Z-Bo. Z-Bo. Don't play with me.
[1:39:31] Speaker 1: All people that just choke people out. They ain't fight nobody.
[1:39:35] Speaker 1: They set in the boundary, bro. Who did they fight, Nick?
[1:39:38] Speaker 6: I'm going to choke somebody. Who did they? Draymond, the
[1:39:41] Speaker 6: only person on record that we know to punch somebody.
[1:39:44] Speaker 1: Facts. Charles Oakley, yes. That was before the game. That
[1:39:48] Speaker 1: was before the game. You, I.J.
[1:39:50] Speaker 4: Stewart.
[1:39:50] Speaker 1: Charles Oakley. Draymond Green. All your name is people that
[1:39:53] Speaker 1: punch motherfuckers.
[1:39:54] Speaker 9: And we gave you five, six, seven, eight other people
[1:39:56] Speaker 9: that never touched nobody.
[1:39:58] Speaker 4: Anthony Mason?
[1:39:59] Speaker 1: Anthony Mason. Come on, man.
[1:40:02] Speaker 9: Who?
[1:40:03] Speaker 2: Who?
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman, right?
[1:40:08] Speaker 2: You didn't punch people. I don't remember any punches.
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: Early on, he was punching niggas. Detroit. You do it early,
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: you ain't got to keep doing it. In fact, they
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: know now. That sets the balance.
[1:40:20] Speaker 9: Yeah, my second year.
[1:40:21] Speaker 4: Second, third year, it was.
[1:40:23] Speaker 6: I got fired, what, the one year I lost $ 350, 000?
[1:40:26] Speaker 1: Damn.
[1:40:26] Speaker 9: $ 370, 000 in fines?
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: Hard fouls. When you know somebody's going to hard foul,
[1:40:31] Speaker 1: you're thinking twice about going in there. He's going to
[1:40:34] Speaker 1: foul hard. He's a hard fouler. That's an enforcer. Man,
[1:40:38] Speaker 1: come in here if you want to. Shaq was an enforcer. Oh,
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: was he?
[1:40:42] Speaker 4: God.
[1:40:42] Speaker 1: Come in here if you want to. I wish you would.
[1:40:46] Speaker 4: All right, well.
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: We've got 14 minutes.
[1:40:49] Speaker 2: Wait, is Wimby in there for sure to use?
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: 13 minutes. 13. It's Wimby he is now.
[1:40:55] Speaker 8: What would Hotshawn be as a center, as top 15
[1:40:59] Speaker 8: right now?
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: Who? Top 15 center? Top 20 in the NBA. Yeah,
[1:41:03] Speaker 1: because it's not hard to be.
[1:41:05] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
[1:41:06] Speaker 9: It's not hard to be a top 20 center in
[1:41:07] Speaker 9: this NBA.
[1:41:08] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. What you saying? You got to.
[1:41:11] Speaker 4: The best of the best. Who?
[1:41:13] Speaker 1: He's not hard to beat. Arkansas is the best of
[1:41:15] Speaker 1: the best?
[1:41:16] Speaker 9: He's not hard to beat.
[1:41:17] Speaker 1: Yes. No.
[1:41:17] Speaker 4: Well, after you go with me and... Give me Khalil Ware. What?
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: Give me Khalil Ware. Give me Khalil Ware. Arkansas is
[1:41:25] Speaker 1: not better than Brooke Lopez, bro. At this current moment, no. See,
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: come on. Look at the face.
[1:41:32] Speaker 4: Brooke Lopez averaged 20 a game.
[1:41:34] Speaker 1: Brooke Lopez averaged 20 a game and can.
[1:41:37] Speaker 9: Shoot a three.
[1:41:38] Speaker 1: I'm saying right now. And block shots. And block shots.
[1:41:42] Speaker 1: Right now. Brooke Lopez can hit you 12 points on
[1:41:46] Speaker 1: threes and he can go down there and block three
[1:41:48] Speaker 1: shots a game.
[1:41:48] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Thank you.
[1:41:50] Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. At this
[1:41:53] Speaker 1: particular point this year, Brooke Turner. Brooke Turner. That's all
[1:41:56] Speaker 1: I'm saying. Give me Hardenstein. That's all I'm saying. That's
[1:42:00] Speaker 1: all I'm saying, bro.
[1:42:02] Speaker 4: Hell no.
[1:42:02] Speaker 6: Man, I'm starting to play free throw line to free
[1:42:04] Speaker 6: throw line.
[1:42:04] Speaker 1: Thank you. That's all I'm saying, bro. Three shots a game.
[1:42:08] Speaker 1: He still plays real defense. That's all I'm saying. He
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: contributes on both sides of the court. Give me Hardenstein.
[1:42:14] Speaker 1: And then with blouses. I'm not giving you no blouses.
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: I'm not giving you top 15 because you play hard.
[1:42:20] Speaker 2: Who?
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: Name the team.
[1:42:21] Speaker 4: You just said Lopez.
[1:42:22] Speaker 1: No.
[1:42:23] Speaker 3: We have 12 minutes, according to Kenyon. Martin, so let's
[1:42:27] Speaker 3: look ahead to the NBA Finals.
[1:42:28] Speaker 9: Got a hard out.
[1:42:29] Speaker 3: Knicks and Spurs meet for the first time since 1999.
[1:42:31] Speaker 3: It was New York's last Finals appearance. Squads also met
[1:42:35] Speaker 3: back in December for the NBA Cup Championship with the
[1:42:37] Speaker 3: Knicks getting that win as Wimby was still on a
[1:42:39] Speaker 3: minutes restriction. Teams split the season series with the Knicks
[1:42:42] Speaker 3: getting a 25-point win in their last meeting on March 1st,
[1:42:45] Speaker 3: which snapped the Spurs' 11-game winning streak after the squad
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: went undefeated the entire month of February. Spurs got 60
[1:42:52] Speaker 3: wins for the first time since 2017. We're the beneficiaries
[1:42:55] Speaker 3: of some major injuries to opposing squads in making this
[1:42:57] Speaker 3: finals run similar to the Thunder last year.
[1:42:59] Speaker 1: Contact is everything.
[1:43:01] Speaker 3: New York has been on a historic run this postseason
[1:43:03] Speaker 3: against what many consider to be a weak Eastern Conference.
[1:43:06] Speaker 3: They're plus 271 point different to this playoffs, highest by
[1:43:09] Speaker 3: any team in a single postseason before playing in the
[1:43:11] Speaker 3: NBA finals. And despite winning 11 straight games, including sweeps
[1:43:16] Speaker 3: against the Sixers, and the Cavs. Knicks enter the finals
[1:43:21] Speaker 3: as underdogs. Let's go around the couch really quickly, Skip.
[1:43:24] Speaker 3: We'll start with you. What is one key matchup you're
[1:43:26] Speaker 3: looking for in game one of the NBA finals?
[1:43:31] Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I look at these three games
[1:43:33] Speaker 2: the Knicks and Spurs played, and Wimby had a hard
[1:43:39] Speaker 2: time in all three games.
[1:43:40] Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: Here we go.
[1:43:42] Speaker 2: And Wimby at Madison Square Garden in his career now
[1:43:47] Speaker 2: is 0-3, and he's 7-27 from 3, which is not
[1:43:50] Speaker 2: usually the case. It's 26%. So he hadn't shot the ball.
[1:43:53] Speaker 2: He must not like the shooting background there or something.
[1:43:57] Speaker 2: And I look at the cup game, and Mitchell Robinson
[1:44:03] Speaker 2: had 15 rebounds in that game, 10 of them offensive
[1:44:08] Speaker 2: rebounds against Wimby, who was pretty quiet in that game
[1:44:11] Speaker 2: with with 18 points and seven rebounds. He just didn't
[1:44:17] Speaker 2: do much. And the Knicks just took over the fourth quarter.
[1:44:21] Speaker 2: And to me, I don't care about the individual matchups
[1:44:27] Speaker 2: as much as I care about... We've got kind of
[1:44:30] Speaker 2: a weird rock, paper, scissors thing going with these three teams,
[1:44:34] Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, San Antonio, and New York, in that the
[1:44:38] Speaker 2: Knicks are going to come in very confident against the
[1:44:40] Speaker 2: Spurs because they... They almost beat them on New Year's
[1:44:44] Speaker 2: Eve in San Antonio. It went to the wires, 134-132.
[1:44:46] Speaker 2: They averaged 123 a game in those three games. So
[1:44:52] Speaker 2: they're not afraid of the Spurs like the Thunder were
[1:44:56] Speaker 2: a little afraid of the Spurs because they kicked their
[1:44:58] Speaker 2: asses four out of five times. And then if the
[1:45:02] Speaker 2: Thunder had somehow survived to the finals, they've swept the
[1:45:07] Speaker 2: Knicks for three straight years. So they feel very confident.
[1:45:12] Speaker 2: as did the odds makers of Thunder versus Knicks because
[1:45:15] Speaker 2: the Thunder were going to be prohibited favorites and San
[1:45:18] Speaker 2: Antonio is not that, that strong of a favorite. So,
[1:45:22] Speaker 2: so to me, I just think there's a big psychological
[1:45:26] Speaker 2: advantage from the regular season for the Knicks who obviously
[1:45:30] Speaker 2: caught fire in the post season. Like we've never seen
[1:45:32] Speaker 2: anybody catch fire, albeit against the East, as you point out.
[1:45:37] Speaker 2: But I, I think the Knicks are going to come
[1:45:39] Speaker 2: in extremely confident in this series, more confident than the
[1:45:44] Speaker 2: Thunder were against the Spurs.
[1:45:46] Speaker 3: Swaggy, what match are we looking forward to in game
[1:45:49] Speaker 3: one of the NBA Finals tipping off Wednesday?
[1:45:53] Speaker 1: Well, I.
[1:45:55] Speaker 8: Don't know. I'll just say the whole team. I'm just
[1:45:57] Speaker 8: glad that everybody's healthy in New York. I'm looking forward
[1:46:02] Speaker 8: more to the city to see their reaction first time
[1:46:07] Speaker 8: in the Finals. I want to see is Bronson, you know,
[1:46:11] Speaker 8: I'm ready for Bronson to be the star of New
[1:46:16] Speaker 8: York for sure. So Bronson and the football player matchup,
[1:46:23] Speaker 8: that's what I want to see.
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: I'll shift over to this side, Kenyon. What key matchup
[1:46:29] Speaker 3: are you looking forward to, game one of the NBA finals? Oh,
[1:46:32] Speaker 3: the Wimby and Cat matchup.
[1:46:34] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:46:36] Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I just want to see how they're going
[1:46:37] Speaker 6: to play it. Being that Cat plays on the perimeter,
[1:46:41] Speaker 6: he's a very good three-point shooter. Wimby can't roam. He
[1:46:45] Speaker 6: has to play him honest on the defensive end. So
[1:46:47] Speaker 6: I want to see how that's going to go. And
[1:46:49] Speaker 6: how Jalen Brunson adjusts to having Castle in his pocket
[1:46:54] Speaker 6: the whole night, the whole series. But more of the
[1:46:58] Speaker 6: big guys, seeing who they're going to put on Wimby
[1:47:01] Speaker 6: on the other end, how they're going to try to
[1:47:02] Speaker 6: hide Cat if they can defensively. putting OG and Anobi
[1:47:06] Speaker 6: on Wimby. But ultimately, the Cat and Wimby matchup is
[1:47:13] Speaker 6: most intriguing to me. Sean, how about yourself?
[1:47:18] Speaker 1: I think I'm getting this right as far as the stats.
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: 28 and 13 is what Wimby averaged. Against the Spurs
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: this season? Against the Knicks. If I'm looking at it correctly.
[1:47:30] Speaker 2: I've got 25 and 11 in three games.
[1:47:34] Speaker 1: In the two games, it was 20 and 13.
[1:47:36] Speaker 3: NBA Cup does not count as an actual game, but
[1:47:38] Speaker 3: it was actually played in Las Vegas.
[1:47:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't seem like a bad stat line for
[1:47:43] Speaker 1: a guy who goes to New York and does that
[1:47:45] Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So I'm not going to penalize his performances.
[1:47:50] Speaker 1: He always rises to the occasion. So I'm going to
[1:47:52] Speaker 1: say Brunson Castle is going to be the matchup. Yeah.
[1:47:57] Speaker 1: Brunson Castle will be the matchup. The one thing we
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: have to do is neutralize the guy who is the
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: fire starter for them. He's Mr. Fireman, so we need
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: to make sure he doesn't do what he does best.
[1:48:08] Speaker 1: I think we can depend on Cat trying to be
[1:48:10] Speaker 1: able to beat Cat. I think he'll try to rise
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: to the moment, but these are both on my team,
[1:48:15] Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter. At the end of the day,
[1:48:18] Speaker 1: Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It was written. I'm going
[1:48:23] Speaker 1: straight from the survival scrolls.
[1:48:25] Speaker 4: Do you know what these is?
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: Basic instructions before leaving Earth. Right here. Right here.
[1:48:33] Speaker 4: Look at that, guys.
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: Yeah. It was written. It was written. We know what
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: this is going to do. This is going to end
[1:48:39] Speaker 1: up with me celebrating at the end of the day.
[1:48:40] Speaker 4: Oh, I thought you were going to leave us pretty soon.
[1:48:43] Speaker 1: No spurs. Can we get a finals prediction from you, Sean?
[1:48:46] Speaker 4: No spurs.
[1:48:47] Speaker 1: For the series start. Yeah, no spurs. Finals prediction. You
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: have to pick a side. Getting a ring either way.
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: Got to pick a side? You getting a ring either way? No,
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: he not. No, he didn't. Do you betray Wimby and
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: go for Nick? He got off New York. Don't let
[1:48:58] Speaker 1: him do that. Or do you betray the entire city
[1:48:59] Speaker 1: of New York? Don't let him get off. He got
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: off New York. He's not New York. Has the thumb opportunity. No, no.
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: You got off New York. I'm Brunson. I'm Brunson. I
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: am the guy who said Brunson can win the championship
[1:49:11] Speaker 1: as the 1A guy. You was Philly, I think. Yeah,
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: but just as far as players. Representing the players. The
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: thumb up to Wimby and Brunson. Jalen Brunson brought.
[1:49:20] Speaker 3: Balance back to the force, avoiding the thumb in the
[1:49:22] Speaker 3: Eastern Conference.
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: Why I can't?
[1:49:24] Speaker 8: No, because you said you're done with New York, and
[1:49:26] Speaker 8: you said your new team is Philly.
[1:49:29] Speaker 4: So stick with the Spurs. You can't jump back on
[1:49:33] Speaker 4: them because both my teams is in here. Both my teams.
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: No, motherfucker, you said. Who your team? Your team was Minnesota. Minnesota.
[1:49:41] Speaker 4: My guy got hurt. Yeah, I get it.
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: Your team was Minnesota, right? Yeah. Guess what we did
[1:49:47] Speaker 1: to your team? What'd you do to another hurt team?
[1:49:50] Speaker 1: French toast. Yeah, you beat another hurt team. French fries.
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: Beat another hurt team. French kissing on French visit.
[1:49:55] Speaker 7: Okay.
[1:49:57] Speaker 1: Waiting for that. Okay. Do we have a finals prediction?
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: I'm going Spurs and seven. Spurs and seven. It's Shia's
[1:50:04] Speaker 1: finals prediction. Make sure you note that. If it happens,
[1:50:08] Speaker 1: another full circle moment. Kane's with one of you. NBA
[1:50:10] Speaker 1: finals prediction. Nick's currently the underdog.
[1:50:14] Speaker 4: Woo woo.
[1:50:18] Speaker 6: I'm going Nick's, man. How many games?
[1:50:22] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:50:22] Speaker 6: It's going to be a good series. Good, long, tough series.
[1:50:25] Speaker 6: But I'm going to go Nick's.
[1:50:27] Speaker 1: Can you go with the Nick's? Swaggy, let's move over
[1:50:28] Speaker 1: to you.
[1:50:29] Speaker 4: I'm going to the parade in New York. Be out there.
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: Parade in New York? Yep. You'll be with the Nick's
[1:50:35] Speaker 1: fans or you'll be watching the Spurs parade?
[1:50:37] Speaker 4: With New York. I'll be with them. I'm going to
[1:50:39] Speaker 4: New York and.
[1:50:44] Speaker 1: Go New York, go New York.
[1:50:45] Speaker 8: How much did the Spurs beat them back in the
[1:50:48] Speaker 8: day with Patrick Union?
[1:50:50] Speaker 4: What was that series? Tim Duncan first year.
[1:50:53] Speaker 1: They won in six? I believe they won in five games.
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: Knicks in five?
[1:51:00] Speaker 4: I'll go Knicks in six.
[1:51:01] Speaker 1: I mean, Spurs in six.
[1:51:02] Speaker 4: I'll go Knicks in six.
[1:51:03] Speaker 3: Last but not least, NBA Finals prediction. Let's see if
[1:51:07] Speaker 3: you can get out of the body bag, put shot
[1:51:09] Speaker 3: in one of those.
[1:51:10] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:51:11] Speaker 2: Well, I woke up this morning thinking Spurs and seven,
[1:51:15] Speaker 2: but I can't take this guy anymore. So, you know,
[1:51:23] Speaker 2: I just.
[1:51:24] Speaker 1: That was easy. Yeah. The double combo.
[1:51:28] Speaker 2: Remember, the NBA get more money from New York. Yeah,
[1:51:31] Speaker 2: I think so, too. This is going to be hard
[1:51:34] Speaker 2: for your Spurs. So, I'm also going to go Knicks,
[1:51:38] Speaker 2: and I think.
[1:51:40] Speaker 2: The unsung hero of this will be the guy Wimby guards.
[1:51:44] Speaker 2: I think Josh Hart's going to have a big series.
[1:51:47] Speaker 2: That's what I think. Because he will be guarded by Wimby.
[1:51:51] Speaker 1: That's crazy you did that. I like what you did there.
[1:51:54] Speaker 9: Okay.
[1:51:55] Speaker 1: I like what you did there.
[1:51:55] Speaker 2: So I'm also going to go Knicks in six just
[1:51:58] Speaker 2: because of Rashad. And I'm going to climb out of
[1:52:01] Speaker 2: that body bag. Thank you, and happy birthday.
[1:52:04] Speaker 1: Rashad, hey, consumes you. We have two minutes left, Kenyon.
[1:52:08] Speaker 1: Two-minute warning. Yeah, I got a lot of shit going
[1:52:11] Speaker 1: on over here. Let's make it happen.
[1:52:12] Speaker 3: Let's do it. So before we go, Swaggy, like we mentioned,
[1:52:15] Speaker 3: today is your birthday. 41 years on this earth.
[1:52:19] Speaker 1: Got the wine. Shout out to Scottie Pippen. Black and monster, y'all.
[1:52:23] Speaker 1: Shout out to Scottie Pippen. He's the GOAT. The man responsible?
[1:52:25] Speaker 1: The man responsible for this championship. Ain't nobody better than
[1:52:30] Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, man. He the GOAT of all GOATs. I
[1:52:33] Speaker 1: want to dive into that later, but we'll talk about
[1:52:35] Speaker 1: that another time.
[1:52:36] Speaker 2: Game three, 94. Remember that?
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: Oh, man. Greatest performance ever.
[1:52:40] Speaker 3: We got a present for you before we roll out
[1:52:42] Speaker 3: and show you how much we appreciate you.
[1:52:43] Speaker 1: Go ahead and bring it in.
[1:52:44] Speaker 4: All right.
[1:52:46] Speaker 3: Happy birthday to you.
[1:52:49] Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.
[1:52:50] Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you.
[1:52:54] Speaker 4: Piece of smoke.
[1:52:54] Speaker 3: Happy birthday, dear Swaggy.
[1:52:59] Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Swaggy Mal. Show the camera, please, Swaggy. That
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: camera right there, Swaggy and Mal. That's crazy. That's dope.
[1:53:09] Speaker 1: Black and Mal cake, ladies and gentlemen. Swaggy, here's a
[1:53:11] Speaker 1: picture of your birthday cake.
[1:53:13] Speaker 9: Ha ha ha!
[1:53:14] Speaker 1: Black and mild theme. Black and mild on the cake.
[1:53:19] Speaker 8: When I get my sponsor, I'm sharing it with everybody.
[1:53:21] Speaker 8: When I get my check from Black and Mild, I'm
[1:53:24] Speaker 8: sharing it with everybody.
[1:53:25] Speaker 3: We appreciate everything you do. Shout out to everybody in
[1:53:28] Speaker 3: the chat. Shout out to our amazing crew. Shout out
[1:53:30] Speaker 3: to everybody on this couch. No shows Tuesday, Wednesday, but
[1:53:34] Speaker 3: we'll be back on Thursday. This has been another episode
[1:53:37] Speaker 3: of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[1:53:39] Speaker 1: We will see y'all on Thursday.

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