# Michael Rubin Schools Gil's Arena On Sports Business

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 10 Jun 2025, 2 h 46 min.

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Gil's Arena Names The X-Factors DECIDING The NBA Finals as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew debate which player outside of Shai Gilgeous Alexander & Tyrese Haliburton is having the biggest impact on the NBA Finals between the OKC Thunder and Indiana Pacers. They highlight how crucial Alex Caruso has been to the Thunder on both sides of the ball this season and break down how Pascal Siakam needs to bring the same energy that won him Eastern Conference Finals MVP if the Pacers want to pull off the upset. Next, they react to Boogie Cousin's HOSTILE Crash out in the Puerto Rican basketball league where the NBA legend went at fans in a courtside melee and give their pick for the perfect choice for the New York Knicks' next head coach as Jason Kidd's name has suddenly entered the fold. They then invite Entrepreneur, Philanthropist and social justice advocate Micahel Rubin into Gil's Arena to break down his rise to the top of the merchandise and memorabilia industry. He breaks down his recent partnership with future number 1 overall pick Cooper Flagg and highlights what makes the future NBA superstar a lock to be the next great American superstar, before giving his take on the future of his beloved Philadelphia 76ers. Finally, Rubin previews the upcoming fanatics fest in New York City and gives his take on who will take home the NBA Championship. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Michael Rubin, Sheryl Swoopes, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Connect with a provider at https://Ro.co/Arena and get $15 off your first order Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord 0:00:00 – 2 Min Countdown 0:01:49 – Show Start 0:07:53 – Boogie Cousins CRASHES OUT In Puerto Rico 0:45:43 – Michael Rubin Enters Gil's Arena 0:46:34 – Cooper Flagg Is The Next Great American Superstar 0:55:23 – FanticsFest 0:59:19 – Rubin's Relationship With Athletes 1:03:10 – Rubin's NBA Finals Pick 1:06:13 – Rubin's Best Piece Of Memorabilia 1:08:21 – What Happened To The 76ers 1:10:56 – The Unlimited Potential Of The Nova Knicks 1:13:51 – Rubin's Creation of The Reform Alliance 1:24:04 – Jason Kidd For Knicks Head Coach? 1:40:41 – Alex Caruso Is The X-Factor In The NBA Finals 1:52:13 – Caruso's Bubble Title 1:56:02 – OKC Is Breaking The Mold For Team Chemistry 2:13:42 – Gil Explains His No Bag Take 2:23:47 – MostlyFans 2:34:59 – Rashad Reactivates The USA vs World Debate Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. How everybody
[0:06] Speaker 1: feeling today? Tuesday.
[0:10] Speaker 2: Love late Tuesday here in the arena.
[0:12] Speaker 3: It's taco Tuesday. Okay. Burrito Tuesday. Might get that Casabaga.
[0:20] Speaker 3: The Casabaga.
[0:22] Speaker 2: Uh-oh, Gil, you messing up.
[0:24] Speaker 3: Oh, that's, yeah.
[0:25] Speaker 2: No, that was you.
[0:26] Speaker 3: All right. Not me.
[0:27] Speaker 2: That was you, but this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:29] Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa.
[0:30] Speaker 2: As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us.
[0:35] Speaker 1: We got the Hall of Famer, four-time WNBA champion of
[0:38] Speaker 1: the world, Cheryl Swoops, back.
[0:39] Speaker 2: On the couch.
[0:40] Speaker 3: Swoops, Swoops.
[0:43] Speaker 4: I need y'all to be better with that.
[0:45] Speaker 3: Go ahead. Cheryl, we workshopping.
[0:46] Speaker 2: It's day two.
[0:47] Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know.
[0:48] Speaker 2: We improved from day one. That's all we can ask.
[0:49] Speaker 4: It is much better than yesterday.
[0:51] Speaker 2: We are progressing in the right direction.
[0:54] Speaker 1: On this side of the couch, we got the man
[0:56] Speaker 1: known as Money Making Sonny, NCAA champion of the.
[0:59] Speaker 2: World, Rashad McKenzie in the building.
[1:03] Speaker 1: Representing the great nation of America, head to toe, United States.
[1:09] Speaker 2: All right now. I mean, all white now, all white now,
[1:13] Speaker 2: all white now.
[1:14] Speaker 1: And last but not least, representing Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd University,
[1:17] Speaker 1: we got Mr. B.
[1:18] Speaker 2: Brandon Jennings in the arena.
[1:23] Speaker 1: And for all the fans out there, we still got
[1:24] Speaker 1: two viewing options for you, our traditional version, mobile vertical version.
[1:26] Speaker 1: Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure
[1:28] Speaker 1: you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today.
[1:33] Speaker 1: The Knicks are looking for their next head coach, and
[1:35] Speaker 1: Jason Kidd has emerged as a top candidate. Should Kidd
[1:39] Speaker 1: dip from Dallas to take his talents to the Big Apple?
[1:42] Speaker 1: Still under contract with the Mavs. It would require some
[1:44] Speaker 1: compensation if the move was to be made. Jason Kidd,
[1:47] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson have a great relationship.
[1:50] Speaker 2: Could he be the Knicks' next head coach?
[1:52] Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg is expected to be the top pick in
[1:54] Speaker 1: the NBA draft, but will he be the next great
[1:58] Speaker 1: American star? We got to talk about it. We'll see.
[2:02] Speaker 1: And with the final shift into Indiana for game three,
[2:05] Speaker 1: which players on both teams will be the X factor?
[2:09] Speaker 1: Series tie 1-1. Thunder looking to take home court advantage back.
[2:13] Speaker 1: Pacers trying to defend their home court advantage. We got
[2:16] Speaker 1: a lot to discuss. But before we get into all that,
[2:18] Speaker 1: as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog.
[2:20] Speaker 1: Download the app, use promo code GIL, get up to
[2:21] Speaker 1: $ 1, 000 in bonus cash, plus a special pickup. So, Gil,
[2:25] Speaker 1: you had a WNBA-themed partner pack yesterday on the show.
[2:29] Speaker 1: Proud to announce that the pack.
[2:31] Speaker 3: Hit last night.
[2:32] Speaker 2: Let's take a look.
[2:33] Speaker 3: Just one guy.
[2:36] Speaker 2: De'Arca Hamby.
[2:37] Speaker 4: Okay, let's see, let's see.
[2:38] Speaker 1: Howard 14, 5.5, she had 20. Kayla Thornton, you said,
[2:41] Speaker 1: was going to get Howard 5.5 rebounds.
[2:42] Speaker 2: She had 11.
[2:43] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:44] Speaker 2: Kelsey Plum, you said we're gonna get higher, 2.5.
[2:45] Speaker 1: I told you that was easy. She got for sure.
[2:47] Speaker 1: You did say that was easy work. Usually y'all don't
[2:49] Speaker 1: have my wings up there.
[2:50] Speaker 3: Usually y'all don't have my wings up there because I'm
[2:53] Speaker 3: at 89%.
[2:53] Speaker 2: Ain't enough.
[2:53] Speaker 3: Huh?
[2:54] Speaker 2: Ain't enough to put nothing in the gas tank. You
[2:56] Speaker 2: bet $ 1, 000?
[2:57] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:57] Speaker 2: Won 5.59 times his bread with that partner.
[3:00] Speaker 3: You bet $ 1, 000. How much did you bet? Huh? How
[3:02] Speaker 3: much did you bet?
[3:03] Speaker 2: What did you wager on it?
[3:04] Speaker 3: $ 300?
[3:14] Speaker 4: You didn't.
[3:16] Speaker 2: About $ 300?
[3:17] Speaker 4: You won $ 300?
[3:17] Speaker 2: No, I bet you didn't. So you won about $ 1, 500?
[3:20] Speaker 3: Okay.
[3:21] Speaker 2: And I lost it or something else.
[3:24] Speaker 3: Okay.
[3:24] Speaker 2: My money tied up. Hey, but man, fuck all that.
[3:27] Speaker 2: Fuck all that.
[3:27] Speaker 3: What happened? Whatever. Don't do that. Caked up. It's from
[3:36] Speaker 3: the Easter. Caked up. She's caked up on that.
[3:39] Speaker 4: It's from the Easter egg hunt.
[3:41] Speaker 3: But I can't Anyway, but I can't.
[3:45] Speaker 2: She's caked up over there. Yeah, you got to play.
[3:48] Speaker 2: You can't just take it out.
[3:50] Speaker 3: No, no, she's trying to play.
[3:51] Speaker 2: She can't.
[3:52] Speaker 3: I can't. Oh, okay.
[3:53] Speaker 2: Caked up is in. Yeah. I thought it was going
[3:57] Speaker 2: to be an HR discussion.
[3:58] Speaker 4: Remember, you shared with me.
[4:00] Speaker 2: You shared with me. Caked up on a Tuesday.
[4:02] Speaker 3: What do you mean?
[4:03] Speaker 2: It just says keep contacting.
[4:05] Speaker 3: Contact support.
[4:06] Speaker 2: Oh, when you try to, every time you try to.
[4:08] Speaker 1: I will support. Cheryl will be contacting you in the
[4:11] Speaker 1: near future. But, Gil, let's try for an encore here.
[4:14] Speaker 1: So you have some more WNBA picks up in your
[4:17] Speaker 1: partner pack on the underdog app. Let's take a look
[4:19] Speaker 1: if we can. Ryan Howard, higher, 3.5 assists. Kelsey Mitchell, higher,
[4:25] Speaker 1: 1.5 three-pointers made. And Sabrina Inescu, higher, 4.5 assists. This
[4:30] Speaker 1: is an added boost pack, Gil.
[4:32] Speaker 3: Uh-oh.
[4:32] Speaker 1: And if you use it, you can win more than
[4:34] Speaker 1: five times your bread on the underdog app. Cheryl, are
[4:37] Speaker 1: you rolling with Gil's picks? For this evening.
[4:40] Speaker 3: 100%.
[4:40] Speaker 2: Oh, 100%. Easy money.
[4:41] Speaker 3: That's easy money.
[4:42] Speaker 2: Easy bread again.
[4:45] Speaker 3: Just keep nickel and diamond. Yeah.
[4:50] Speaker 1: How's the rest of the couch feeling about Gilbert's?
[4:52] Speaker 2: I'm making a bet right now.
[4:54] Speaker 1: Mr. B, you are adding the partner pack on your underdog.
[4:58] Speaker 1: We've got to contact support. Support, if you are watching
[5:01] Speaker 1: this show, don't let Cheryl contact you.
[5:05] Speaker 2: You contact her.
[5:06] Speaker 3: I'm just doing a bit.
[5:08] Speaker 1: I'm just doing a little bit. I'm doubling down on
[5:12] Speaker 1: 50-50 on them.
[5:13] Speaker 2: If she can't do it, you can just transfer.
[5:16] Speaker 1: You've got to come up off the bread. The point
[5:20] Speaker 1: is just sitting there.
[5:22] Speaker 2: For no reason.
[5:23] Speaker 1: We asked the chat for your show if they're riding
[5:25] Speaker 1: or fading with your WNBA picks for this evening. 70%
[5:28] Speaker 1: of the chat riding with these picks. That is a record.
[5:33] Speaker 2: That is a record. That was you, 81? If you
[5:37] Speaker 2: like these picks, head over to Underdog App. You should
[5:39] Speaker 2: let them go.
[5:39] Speaker 3: How many lost yesterday because they didn't ride with me?
[5:43] Speaker 3: Like 30, 40%?
[5:43] Speaker 1: It was not a sufficient amount of losers. People did
[5:46] Speaker 1: not have their mind right in their game type. But
[5:48] Speaker 1: if you like these picks, head over to the Underdog app,
[5:50] Speaker 1: add Gil's Partner Pack. If you don't have Underdog, download
[5:52] Speaker 1: the app, use promo code Gil, get up to $ 1, 000
[5:54] Speaker 1: in bonus cash, plus a special pick-em. And if you
[5:57] Speaker 1: can't watch the show live with us on YouTube, we
[5:58] Speaker 1: have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get
[6:01] Speaker 1: your podcasts. So we're going to talk a little Puerto
[6:04] Speaker 1: Rican hoops to start the show. Four-time NBA All-Star DeMarcus
[6:07] Speaker 1: Cousins hooping in Puerto Rico these days for the Guaybano
[6:10] Speaker 1: Mets in the Balancesto Superior Nacional. Yeah. Thank you, Sid. Damn.
[6:15] Speaker 1: I passed Spanish 3 in high school.
[6:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, you passed that.
[6:18] Speaker 2: So he was known for having a bit of a temper.
[6:19] Speaker 3: Spanish three. Spanish three in high school, girl. Damn.
[6:23] Speaker 2: Spanish three. What do you mean Spanish three? Well, no
[6:25] Speaker 2: dos tres.
[6:26] Speaker 3: Spanish one and two.
[6:27] Speaker 2: What the fuck do you need the extra shit for? Girl,
[6:30] Speaker 2: you went to public school.
[6:31] Speaker 3: You went to public school.
[6:32] Speaker 2: You went to public school. Girl, you went to public school.
[6:35] Speaker 3: Is that like living in Spain yourself? Because I'm pretty
[6:38] Speaker 3: sure you just need Spanish one for Mexico. No, exactly. Three, three. No,
[6:42] Speaker 3: it's not you.
[6:43] Speaker 5: Need Spanish one just for here Some curse words a
[6:45] Speaker 5: little bit of everything But uh, so boogie was not
[6:48] Speaker 5: for having a little bit of a temper on the
[6:49] Speaker 5: court during his playing days in the league No last
[6:51] Speaker 5: night during.
[6:52] Speaker 2: The game against the biome on my car.
[6:53] Speaker 3: Oh this happened.
[6:54] Speaker 1: Oh You can see Cousins ejected after he was close
[7:17] Speaker 1: to scuffling with fans courtside. So after a fan hit
[7:21] Speaker 1: him with the crybaby gesture, Boogie grabbed his junk and
[7:24] Speaker 1: nearly threw a punch before being escorted off the court.
[7:27] Speaker 1: You can see his teammates, including Theo Pinson Jr., having
[7:30] Speaker 1: to hold him back from the fan, trying to calm
[7:32] Speaker 1: the fan down.
[7:34] Speaker 2: So according to reports.
[7:35] Speaker 1: Boogie also grabbed a lollipop out of the fan's mouth
[7:38] Speaker 1: during the melee.
[7:40] Speaker 2: Important piece of information. I think he just pulled to
[7:44] Speaker 2: the side. And as he was.
[7:48] Speaker 1: Leaving the court, you can see fans giving him the
[7:50] Speaker 1: middle finger, calling him Vendejo, amongst others.
[7:54] Speaker 6: Turn.
[7:55] Speaker 3: Puto. Vendejo.
[7:57] Speaker 1: You can see a fan tosses beer at Boogie. Boogie
[8:01] Speaker 1: reacts by trying to go in the crowd. Took five
[8:05] Speaker 1: men to hold Boogie back, five able-bodied men in the
[8:08] Speaker 1: Puerto Rican basketball league. Popcorn, beer, all types of food items.
[8:16] Speaker 1: Then he tossed that Boogie as he exited the court.
[8:21] Speaker 1: So luckily the conflict did not escalate after that, but
[8:23] Speaker 1: we do see Boogie here with some policia.
[8:25] Speaker 3: Damn.
[8:28] Speaker 2: And other men.
[8:30] Speaker 1: Appears to be a vendor as well. He walked off
[8:38] Speaker 1: the court, obviously. They were in the Vaqueros Arena. Not
[8:42] Speaker 1: to be confused with Gil's Arena. Presented by Underdog Wubu.
[8:44] Speaker 1: But what do y'all think about DeMarcus Cousins crashing out
[8:49] Speaker 1: on Puerto Rican fans like that?
[8:52] Speaker 2: Was he on the road? He was on the road.
[8:57] Speaker 2: Great entertainment. They got a good show.
[9:01] Speaker 3: Sometimes, you know, you got to entertain on the court
[9:03] Speaker 3: or when you get kicked off the court. I mean, obviously,
[9:08] Speaker 3: it didn't look like he wanted to really punch anybody
[9:09] Speaker 3: because the dude in the front row, he could have
[9:12] Speaker 3: slept him easy work.
[9:15] Speaker 2: So, you know.
[9:16] Speaker 1: He did take a lollipop out of his mouth, which
[9:18] Speaker 1: is a... Was it a tootsie roll or a cheap sheet?
[9:20] Speaker 1: It's a no-no in Puerto Rico, Gil. You don't disrespect
[9:23] Speaker 1: another man by taking his lollipop out of his mouth.
[9:25] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Depending on what it is.
[9:27] Speaker 3: Is it the tootsie pop or is it the one
[9:30] Speaker 3: you got about six of them in your head?
[9:32] Speaker 2: The sour apple, what we call them? The sour apple.
[9:34] Speaker 2: The blow pop. The sour apple, the blow pop, yeah.
[9:37] Speaker 2: Blue raspberry.
[9:38] Speaker 1: The one with the tootsie inside. We were unable to
[9:41] Speaker 1: confirm what type of lollipop, but snatching a lollipop out
[9:44] Speaker 1: of a Puerto Rican man, I'm very surprised.
[9:46] Speaker 2: Disrespectful in their culture. As it is in America. You
[9:51] Speaker 2: got to be careful over.
[9:52] Speaker 3: There in them countries, man. What y'all be thinking over there, man?
[9:58] Speaker 3: That's how you get your legs cut off.
[10:01] Speaker 2: Or you get kidnapped. Yeah, I'm not saying get kidnapped.
[10:05] Speaker 5: We almost got kidnapped, man. You got to be friendly.
[10:09] Speaker 5: That's from a real writer, dude. That's all cartel.
[10:13] Speaker 3: All of them.
[10:13] Speaker 5: Every single one of them. What are you doing, dude?
[10:17] Speaker 5: You can't come back. And whoever with you better live. Yesterday,
[10:20] Speaker 5: they was big on. Puerto Rico, an unincorporated U.S.
[10:23] Speaker 2: Territory. Shout out to all the Puerto Ricans watching the show,
[10:26] Speaker 2: working on the show. I've been there. That have downloaded
[10:29] Speaker 2: the underdog app.
[10:30] Speaker 1: I played over there. And used promo code good. It
[10:33] Speaker 1: gets turnt up out there.
[10:35] Speaker 3: What?
[10:35] Speaker 2: All they do is foul and hack and cuss.
[10:38] Speaker 3: Cuss. All, every, all, every single play. Cussing and fuck
[10:42] Speaker 3: you and fincho, bedell, and all that.
[10:46] Speaker 4: All of that.
[10:47] Speaker 2: Oh, so it's fun.
[10:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's love and fun.
[10:49] Speaker 2: It's fun.
[10:50] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[10:50] Speaker 2: So you cross a line when you.
[10:51] Speaker 5: Fuck with one of the locals or you do something
[10:53] Speaker 5: like that, you better have your team better love you.
[10:57] Speaker 5: Your team better love you. If your team don't fuck
[11:00] Speaker 5: with you like that, you on the island.
[11:02] Speaker 2: Literally. Literally and figuratively.
[11:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[11:05] Speaker 1: Shout out Puerto Rico. And this is an update. He
[11:07] Speaker 1: didn't grab the lollipop out of the fan's mouth. He
[11:08] Speaker 1: snatched the lollipop out of his hand. Equally offensive, though,
[11:11] Speaker 1: in Puerto Rican culture.
[11:12] Speaker 4: Did he eat it?
[11:14] Speaker 1: There's no update if he took the lollipop with him.
[11:17] Speaker 1: It may have fallen during the melee. That's the more difficult.
[11:20] Speaker 1: Take it out and just... Yeah, give me that.
[11:24] Speaker 2: Watch out.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Cheryl, what do you think about Boogie crashing out like
[11:27] Speaker 1: that during a Puerto Rican basketball game?
[11:31] Speaker 7: I mean, I've played in other countries, too. You've got
[11:37] Speaker 7: to be very careful when.
[11:38] Speaker 4: You're not at home.
[11:40] Speaker 3: I just.
[11:42] Speaker 4: Regardless of the situation, like, but I also think fans,
[11:48] Speaker 4: they cross the line at times.
[11:51] Speaker 7: I'm not saying what he did was right because of
[11:53] Speaker 7: where he is or was, but.
[11:57] Speaker 4: I mean, fans, they do. They cross the line sometimes
[12:00] Speaker 4: and it makes you want to do that.
[12:04] Speaker 1: What was the craziest experience you had playing overseas? Was
[12:07] Speaker 1: there anything similar to that?
[12:09] Speaker 4: Um, just They threw stuff on the court.
[12:13] Speaker 7: They would warm up coins and just throw the coins
[12:17] Speaker 7: on the court and try to hit us with it.
[12:18] Speaker 7: But I didn't have those types of experiences with fans.
[12:25] Speaker 7: Like if we were beating them by 20, 30, they
[12:27] Speaker 7: got mad and just started throwing stuff.
[12:29] Speaker 2: On the court.
[12:32] Speaker 1: Shaw, you played in different countries around the world. What's
[12:35] Speaker 1: the most turnt up country that you played in? You
[12:37] Speaker 1: ever have a situation?
[12:38] Speaker 4: Turnt up?
[12:40] Speaker 2: Lebanon. My brother played in Lebanon.
[12:43] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[12:44] Speaker 5: Well, Venezuela was almost died in Venezuela. So I guess
[12:47] Speaker 5: I have to say that. But that was just, it
[12:51] Speaker 5: was in like third world country stage then. So all
[12:54] Speaker 5: the people was looking for targets. Couldn't have shit.
[12:59] Speaker 1: How did you almost die in Venezuela, if you don't
[13:01] Speaker 1: mind me asking?
[13:01] Speaker 2: The locals set us up.
[13:03] Speaker 4: What happened?
[13:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, local teammates set us up. We was shining.
[13:08] Speaker 4: A local teammate.
[13:09] Speaker 3: Your teammate? Our teammate, yeah.
[13:11] Speaker 4: Set you up.
[13:12] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[13:12] Speaker 4: What'd he do?
[13:13] Speaker 2: Shit, the taxi driver sent us into a little trap.
[13:18] Speaker 2: They robbed us. At gunpoint.
[13:22] Speaker 3: Damn.
[13:22] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[13:23] Speaker 3: Don't shoot.
[13:24] Speaker 4: Did you leave?
[13:25] Speaker 3: Right, yeah.
[13:26] Speaker 2: Right after.
[13:28] Speaker 3: Goddamn. It was your own teammates?
[13:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other team told us.
[13:32] Speaker 3: Right.
[13:32] Speaker 2: Oh, the other team told you that you're teammates? The
[13:34] Speaker 2: other team snitched on the teammates.
[13:36] Speaker 3: Damn.
[13:37] Speaker 2: Have you seen any of those teams? No, they're in Venezuela.
[13:40] Speaker 3: They was all local.
[13:42] Speaker 2: They're in Venezuela. They have not opted to leave the country.
[13:45] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what they do to scare you out. If
[13:47] Speaker 5: they don't... If there's some players playing good.
[13:51] Speaker 3: Local players.
[13:52] Speaker 5: Local players that are stars, all-stars, you come in, you're
[13:55] Speaker 5: in a position, you start taking.
[13:57] Speaker 2: He ain't playing no more. Rotation, minutes go down. No minutos. Hey, man.
[14:03] Speaker 2: They having them conversations at the crib. What we need
[14:05] Speaker 2: to do? i've seen hector and them over there.
[14:12] Speaker 1: Joker and baby joker yeah uh mr b what do
[14:15] Speaker 1: you think about boogie crashing out like that on fans.
[14:19] Speaker 9: Or not i mean it happens you know my experience
[14:22] Speaker 9: overseas i've seen you know i went to serbia um
[14:26] Speaker 9: some hostile environments it gets hostile in there you know
[14:28] Speaker 9: fans can get a little out of control but i
[14:31] Speaker 9: mean you're in their country so you know, they're going
[14:33] Speaker 9: to do anything that they can do to try to
[14:35] Speaker 9: get you, you know, out of your game or not
[14:37] Speaker 9: be able to play. So I just hope this doesn't
[14:40] Speaker 9: hurt Boogie, you know, coming back because, you know, he.
[14:43] Speaker 2: Does have a big face right now in media and
[14:45] Speaker 2: things like that.
[14:46] Speaker 9: So, you know, I just hope that whatever he can
[14:49] Speaker 9: just get through that and just, you know, move on
[14:51] Speaker 9: from it.
[14:53] Speaker 2: Most definitely.
[14:54] Speaker 1: So just correlating this to your guys' own personal experience,
[14:57] Speaker 1: what's the most upset that you've been on the court?
[15:01] Speaker 2: If I'm a fan... Why do I have rules?
[15:08] Speaker 3: I'm in my area. Like the court is the no,
[15:13] Speaker 3: we don't go on the court, right? And you don't
[15:16] Speaker 3: come in the stands. That's the only rule that we have, right? Unfortunately,
[15:23] Speaker 3: if you say something to me that your boss don't like,
[15:28] Speaker 3: you get fined.
[15:29] Speaker 2: Me personally?
[15:33] Speaker 3: This is what I'm supposed to do. I didn't practice
[15:37] Speaker 3: what I'm going to say to your black ass all week.
[15:41] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[15:42] Speaker 3: For sure.
[15:43] Speaker 2: They do it all the time. I mean, yeah.
[15:47] Speaker 1: But is there a certain code of conduct that fans
[15:49] Speaker 1: should adhere to? We have rules and regulations here in
[15:51] Speaker 1: the United States. Depending on which city you in. What
[15:55] Speaker 1: did the fan say? He had to say something else.
[15:57] Speaker 3: Look, just don't spit.
[15:59] Speaker 2: Don't spit. Don't throw shit.
[16:00] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.
[16:01] Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want.
[16:04] Speaker 3: If your mama ugly, your mama ugly.
[16:06] Speaker 2: Fixing stones and breaking my bones with words that never
[16:09] Speaker 2: hurt me.
[16:09] Speaker 3: Bullshit.
[16:10] Speaker 6: Never.
[16:10] Speaker 2: Yes. Ever.
[16:12] Speaker 3: Ever in life. Ever in life. Nothing you can say
[16:16] Speaker 3: can hurt me. Nothing. Battle tested. Words is a word.
[16:22] Speaker 2: No, man, somebody talk about your wife or something. They
[16:25] Speaker 2: don't know her, and they don't know her. And they
[16:27] Speaker 2: don't know her. And what you going to do to them?
[16:29] Speaker 2: They don't know her.
[16:30] Speaker 3: Oh, don't know her.
[16:31] Speaker 5: Fans don't know your wife and your kids or nobody.
[16:34] Speaker 5: Why would I entertain that?
[16:35] Speaker 2: Unless she's only fans, then we do know her. Then
[16:37] Speaker 2: we do. We both know her.
[16:39] Speaker 9: So for the people that say stuff about Westbrook's family,
[16:42] Speaker 9: LeBron's family, that's okay?
[16:44] Speaker 3: Because you know it.
[16:45] Speaker 2: Because you know it.
[16:46] Speaker 5: But what are you going to do for somebody saying
[16:48] Speaker 5: something that's five seconds of your reaction to something that
[16:52] Speaker 5: you can control?
[16:53] Speaker 4: Grab it like Boogie just tried to do.
[16:55] Speaker 5: You can control that. That's five seconds of an impulse
[16:58] Speaker 5: that you can control. Man, he ain't talking to me
[17:00] Speaker 5: like that. He don't know me.
[17:02] Speaker 3: But again, as a fan, what is my actual job
[17:06] Speaker 3: as a fan? Please don't say just go there and
[17:09] Speaker 3: watch the game. Heckle. Heckle. Don't go there and watch
[17:12] Speaker 3: the game and enjoy you.
[17:14] Speaker 4: There's a way to heckle without being personal.
[17:17] Speaker 2: But that's not. But you don't have that when you
[17:20] Speaker 2: walk in.
[17:20] Speaker 7: When you start attacking, like he said, it's happened so
[17:23] Speaker 7: many times. You're attacking somebody's wife or kids.
[17:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:27] Speaker 4: Like that's crossing the line.
[17:28] Speaker 3: We just saw it.
[17:29] Speaker 5: We just saw the hip hop. We just saw it. Look,
[17:31] Speaker 5: when you walk in the door, right, is there a
[17:33] Speaker 5: list of shit you can't say?
[17:34] Speaker 3: Nope.
[17:36] Speaker 2: You can say it, but.
[17:38] Speaker 4: I also have a right to respond.
[17:42] Speaker 3: Say something back. No, no.
[17:43] Speaker 2: Say something back.
[17:45] Speaker 5: Everybody's rebuttals are so trash. That's what I don't like
[17:48] Speaker 5: about people. You want to be funny? Let's be fucking funny.
[17:51] Speaker 5: You want to fucking give me an insult?
[17:53] Speaker 3: Let me give you one back. And then we're going
[17:55] Speaker 3: to walk away.
[17:56] Speaker 5: But somehow somebody's soul is stronger than mine, and I
[17:59] Speaker 5: got a fucking problem with it, and I can't say
[18:00] Speaker 5: nothing back.
[18:01] Speaker 3: So I'm going to be mad.
[18:02] Speaker 2: Well, the person that usually gets in trouble is the
[18:04] Speaker 2: person that says something back.
[18:06] Speaker 4: Yes.
[18:08] Speaker 5: So I'm saying, so it's not that, no, what you said, yeah,
[18:11] Speaker 5: but me now saying back, well, I got to be
[18:14] Speaker 5: looked at as a bad person.
[18:15] Speaker 3: You must have just said something strong enough.
[18:17] Speaker 5: I did say something strong enough. So I'm saying that
[18:20] Speaker 5: you did something strong. You went a step further.
[18:23] Speaker 2: By responding.
[18:24] Speaker 3: You didn't say nothing back. You just went. You went
[18:26] Speaker 3: and you wanted to.
[18:28] Speaker 4: No, he said he responded by saying something bad.
[18:30] Speaker 2: Right, so he went back to him. He went in
[18:32] Speaker 2: there and put his hand in his face.
[18:34] Speaker 3: Right, right.
[18:34] Speaker 5: Right, the same thing he did, so he went like that. So, okay,
[18:37] Speaker 5: so that's my response. Okay, but when you crossed the line,
[18:40] Speaker 5: snatched the lollipop.
[18:41] Speaker 3: I ain't seen it.
[18:42] Speaker 2: There's a lollipop snatch crossing the line. Where's the lollipop?
[18:45] Speaker 3: Where's the lollipop?
[18:46] Speaker 4: Did we see him snatch the lollipop?
[18:48] Speaker 3: Wait, wait, hold on.
[18:49] Speaker 5: I think on the video, the guy that's sitting. So
[18:51] Speaker 5: the lollipop's sitting down. The guy's sitting down. Listen, you
[18:54] Speaker 5: get paid $ 20 million.
[18:58] Speaker 3: And more.
[18:59] Speaker 2: To chill the fuck out, bro.
[19:00] Speaker 3: To play a game. I got to pay to watch
[19:04] Speaker 3: you and root for my team.
[19:07] Speaker 2: We hate you.
[19:08] Speaker 3: If I can get a $ 40 to $ 20 million nigga
[19:11] Speaker 3: upset to the point where he's engaged with me. What?
[19:15] Speaker 3: And he's off his game. What?
[19:17] Speaker 4: We win.
[19:19] Speaker 3: We won. I won. I did my job. My money
[19:22] Speaker 3: is worth it.
[19:23] Speaker 2: You're not getting off my game.
[19:24] Speaker 3: I'm buying a jersey. I'm spending money to be me.
[19:27] Speaker 3: You're not getting off my game. You get paid $ 40
[19:29] Speaker 3: million to be a professional. If you can't be a
[19:31] Speaker 3: professional and I can knock you off your rocker, cool.
[19:34] Speaker 2: You're not getting me off my game.
[19:36] Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I'm going to respond. I didn't respond. Okay,
[19:38] Speaker 3: and I'm going to still go out there.
[19:39] Speaker 10: I'm going to keep poking until you get loose.
[19:42] Speaker 2: The same people that was poking at Russ, what was
[19:44] Speaker 2: he doing?
[19:44] Speaker 3: Triple-double every night.
[19:45] Speaker 2: Triple-double every night.
[19:46] Speaker 5: So you poking the wrong bear.
[19:48] Speaker 1: Who was who's who's Clipper Darrell? A Clipper Darrell is
[19:51] Speaker 1: a fan of the Los Angeles Clippers. I got in
[19:54] Speaker 1: the situation Oh He's friendly.
[19:57] Speaker 3: Friendly, but he ain't over but he could be yeah,
[20:00] Speaker 3: you can go to he could.
[20:02] Speaker 2: Be and he don't sit front row He don't sit
[20:05] Speaker 2: in the front where he could really be He is
[20:08] Speaker 2: really calm, but he one of them over there.
[20:11] Speaker 3: He's a clipper. He one of them, like, pow. Okay.
[20:14] Speaker 3: This is my city, my little town, my little hut. Shit.
[20:18] Speaker 3: We can't wait till you come in town. It's seven
[20:21] Speaker 3: of us. Right. Can't wait. Right.
[20:24] Speaker 2: But do we be cursing?
[20:25] Speaker 3: Do we be.
[20:25] Speaker 2: You know how many times we gonna say nigga today? Yeah, that's...
[20:30] Speaker 2: This is our first time we get to say nigga
[20:32] Speaker 2: all year, because you here.
[20:34] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
[20:36] Speaker 2: Immediately, they are going to get him off his game. Yeah,
[20:39] Speaker 2: get me kicked out.
[20:40] Speaker 3: Immediately. You know what I mean? If you don't like
[20:42] Speaker 3: what I'm saying, just get me kicked out. That's all
[20:44] Speaker 3: you got.
[20:45] Speaker 2: No, it's not about.
[20:46] Speaker 3: You get me kicked out. My job is to get
[20:48] Speaker 3: you kicked off your game.
[20:49] Speaker 9: If you're talking crazy, that doesn't mean I'm going to
[20:51] Speaker 9: just go crazy and get kicked out. I'm going to
[20:53] Speaker 9: say what I got to say and get back to
[20:54] Speaker 9: what I got to do.
[20:54] Speaker 2: What happened, though? No, no, but this is overseas. We're
[20:57] Speaker 2: talking about guys in the NBA.
[20:59] Speaker 3: No, we're talking about that.
[21:00] Speaker 2: Can we see the video?
[21:01] Speaker 3: I mean, overseas, I mean, whatever. I get kicked out
[21:04] Speaker 3: of a game overseas, whatever.
[21:05] Speaker 1: I'm trying to see when the lollipop gets snatched.
[21:07] Speaker 3: That wouldn't happen in America.
[21:08] Speaker 2: This guy is the guy when he... Right there, that
[21:10] Speaker 2: guy right there.
[21:11] Speaker 3: Look. Yeah.
[21:11] Speaker 2: Look at this.
[21:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go.
[21:14] Speaker 1: The guy did have something in his hand. He snatched
[21:17] Speaker 1: his lollipop, girl. I'm just saying, I think that's crossing
[21:21] Speaker 1: the line. Everything else I'm fine with, but you can't...
[21:22] Speaker 1: But here's my thing.
[21:24] Speaker 4: But old boy stood up like he wanted.
[21:25] Speaker 3: To do something.
[21:27] Speaker 5: You missed the first 10 seconds of the video.
[21:31] Speaker 7: No, I saw that. But my point is, if you're
[21:33] Speaker 7: standing up like you want to do something, then.
[21:34] Speaker 3: But you're standing over me. I'm standing in my seat.
[21:37] Speaker 3: I can stand. I got... I want to actually.
[21:41] Speaker 2: If you're going to hit me, don't hit me while
[21:43] Speaker 2: I'm sitting down.
[21:44] Speaker 3: You see them white lines? I think they call it
[21:45] Speaker 3: out of bounds.
[21:46] Speaker 4: But he didn't... Boogie wasn't trying to hit him.
[21:50] Speaker 7: Because if Boogie wanted to hit him, if Boogie wanted
[21:53] Speaker 7: to hit him.
[21:54] Speaker 2: He could have hit him. But if I'm 5'6, and
[21:57] Speaker 2: that's Boogie, and I'm in my chair, even if I
[21:59] Speaker 2: stand up, it don't mean shit.
[22:00] Speaker 3: See?
[22:02] Speaker 1: There was a lollipop. He was holding something in his hand.
[22:05] Speaker 1: He had something in his other hand, Gil.
[22:09] Speaker 2: It appeared to him.
[22:11] Speaker 4: He jumped up once Boogie's teammate grabbed him.
[22:14] Speaker 3: Pal, can you start it from the top one more time?
[22:16] Speaker 4: He really didn't want them props.
[22:17] Speaker 3: They just hostile over there. That's their job, though. Their
[22:20] Speaker 3: job is to do that. Just go slow.
[22:23] Speaker 2: They got guys they sub in.
[22:24] Speaker 5: Them dudes subbing in the game.
[22:26] Speaker 2: That's Ronaldo right there. Once we found out there was
[22:28] Speaker 2: a lollipop. Is that Gallinari?
[22:29] Speaker 3: That look like Gallinari.
[22:30] Speaker 4: I was like, is that Gallinari?
[22:32] Speaker 3: It's parking over there. It is.
[22:33] Speaker 2: Because this ball, that's Ronaldo and Gallinari on the same team.
[22:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, they said that Bill McGee playing too. There's a finger.
[22:44] Speaker 3: There's two fingers.
[22:45] Speaker 1: That's something in his hand.
[22:47] Speaker 3: There's two fingers.
[22:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's two fingers.
[22:49] Speaker 3: He's flipping them off. It's not that guy.
[22:50] Speaker 2: It's the other guy in the stands.
[22:52] Speaker 4: That's two fingers.
[22:53] Speaker 2: When he's leaving out.
[22:54] Speaker 3: Watch, I'll show you. Now fast forward all the way
[22:57] Speaker 3: to the... That would never happen in America.
[23:00] Speaker 2: In an NBA game.
[23:00] Speaker 3: Like, you're not.
[23:01] Speaker 2: Dude's trying to slap me. That's why I said, this
[23:02] Speaker 2: is like, whatever.
[23:03] Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, the dude behind him could have choked him.
[23:06] Speaker 3: Go to the end. Go to the end. No black boogie.
[23:10] Speaker 2: I love it.
[23:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, get him up out of here so we can
[23:14] Speaker 3: win the game. My job is to win a game.
[23:16] Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck what y'all feelings are.
[23:18] Speaker 4: Well, who won the game?
[23:19] Speaker 1: Huh? Obviously, the other time. Boogie's team did not win
[23:21] Speaker 1: the game.
[23:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, see? So this guy... This guy right here... Was
[23:27] Speaker 2: it this guy right here? No, he's middle finger.
[23:29] Speaker 3: They were in Bayamon.
[23:31] Speaker 2: Oh, they in San Juan.
[23:32] Speaker 3: Oh, he fucking up. Oh, he doesn't know right there.
[23:35] Speaker 2: Whatever that is.
[23:36] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
[23:37] Speaker 5: You know, that's why they start throwing drinks on him.
[23:40] Speaker 4: They home.
[23:42] Speaker 3: I want to pour the.
[23:42] Speaker 2: Drink too because I got the rail right there. I
[23:45] Speaker 2: can't jump that high.
[23:46] Speaker 3: I'm getting up out of there. I'm not for you.
[23:47] Speaker 2: I'm getting up out of there. Yeah.
[23:51] Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about malice in the past. Back
[23:53] Speaker 1: in the day, we had Jermaine O'Neal on the show
[23:54] Speaker 1: last week. But as players, do you guys enjoy these
[23:56] Speaker 1: type of moments where fans try to cross those boundaries?
[23:59] Speaker 2: I do. And think that they can step to you?
[24:01] Speaker 3: I love it. I love the engagement, man. I don't
[24:04] Speaker 3: want to fight no fans. You know how impactful you
[24:07] Speaker 3: have to be for them to focus on you? I'm
[24:11] Speaker 3: pretty sure no bench players had this problem.
[24:15] Speaker 2: They come near the root against you personally.
[24:22] Speaker 3: Nobody hackling Caruso. He ain't got to worry about none
[24:25] Speaker 3: of this right here. They're going after the people who
[24:28] Speaker 3: can impact the game. So, yeah, if you got the
[24:32] Speaker 3: fans rowdy like that, that's a good environment. Yep.
[24:35] Speaker 2: You thrive for those. It's better than a low-energy crowd
[24:39] Speaker 2: like we see in some of the.
[24:40] Speaker 5: Because it's confused admiration. They really love you because you're
[24:43] Speaker 5: the threat. to their happiness right now we came here
[24:46] Speaker 5: to win and cheer but this motherfucker right here is
[24:48] Speaker 5: getting on our nerves he's scoring every time so if
[24:50] Speaker 5: you start to entertain that and you start to be
[24:53] Speaker 5: the like villain of it you win both sides because
[24:56] Speaker 5: if you win the game they hate you but they
[24:58] Speaker 5: actually love you for giving them a good game like
[25:01] Speaker 5: it's all camaraderie at the end of the day especially
[25:03] Speaker 5: over there they might really really hate you but then
[25:05] Speaker 5: you walk through the mall they're gonna take pictures with
[25:07] Speaker 5: you they're gonna Let me get your autograph and all
[25:10] Speaker 5: of that. There ain't no real hate because they love
[25:12] Speaker 5: the entertainment.
[25:13] Speaker 2: Except when you have teammates that try to set you
[25:15] Speaker 2: up because they are salty. I'm glad they didn't find
[25:17] Speaker 2: out about that. They probably did something to them, but
[25:21] Speaker 2: it is what it is.
[25:22] Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit earlier, but is
[25:24] Speaker 1: there certain words that should not be said that can
[25:26] Speaker 1: trigger you? We talk about Westbrook being called Westbrook by
[25:30] Speaker 1: fans and that being a triggering word for them. That
[25:32] Speaker 1: seems a little extreme.
[25:33] Speaker 2: No, that's not triggering. Like the M word or things
[25:35] Speaker 2: like that. Talk about somebody's personal family.
[25:38] Speaker 3: That's triggering.
[25:39] Speaker 7: So I think it's, it depends on the person, right?
[25:43] Speaker 4: Like they're saying that doesn't trigger them. But if, if you're.
[25:47] Speaker 7: Going to be disrespectful and talk about my kids, my family,
[25:51] Speaker 7: my wife, like.
[25:55] Speaker 4: For me personally, yeah, that's triggering.
[25:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[25:59] Speaker 2: I love it.
[26:00] Speaker 3: I love it.
[26:01] Speaker 4: No, no, I'm not saying that he doesn't love it.
[26:03] Speaker 2: No, I'm saying I love that.
[26:04] Speaker 3: It's true.
[26:04] Speaker 2: I love triggers. I mean, well, sir, I mean, you
[26:13] Speaker 2: got to be careful. Some people don't play about their family.
[26:15] Speaker 4: Yes, you do.
[26:16] Speaker 2: You could pull the wrong. They'll be pulling that trigger.
[26:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool.
[26:19] Speaker 2: Cool. I got 20,000 fans in here. Okay. It's 20,000
[26:24] Speaker 2: versus one. You're good.
[26:26] Speaker 1: If there's a Blinky collection, as we saw in our
[26:29] Speaker 1: streaming on Netflix.
[26:31] Speaker 2: Blinky in the game. That's there, right? Movo get that triggered.
[26:35] Speaker 2: He needs therapy. Yes. You are too wound up, brother.
[26:40] Speaker 3: Okay? A little wound up.
[26:41] Speaker 2: You need to relax. You need to relax. He don't
[26:45] Speaker 2: know your family. He don't know your family, bro. He
[26:49] Speaker 2: ain't never seen your family. He'll never see your family.
[26:52] Speaker 2: But he know I got the family. That's why he's
[26:54] Speaker 2: saying it. And he know you gonna get upset. That's
[26:56] Speaker 2: why you out here.
[26:57] Speaker 3: Hey, listen.
[26:58] Speaker 2: Hey, come here, y'all.
[26:59] Speaker 3: We about to piss this nigga off. I got it.
[27:03] Speaker 3: Y'all just cheer me on while I'm doing it.
[27:05] Speaker 2: I mean, you could piss me off, but that trigger going,
[27:08] Speaker 2: you know.
[27:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, but we win.
[27:10] Speaker 2: We win.
[27:11] Speaker 3: We win. There are some things, though.
[27:13] Speaker 4: That I'm personally not going to allow to happen.
[27:17] Speaker 7: And that is me having my wife's back, my husband's back,
[27:20] Speaker 7: my kids.
[27:21] Speaker 5: That's the line in battle when you go into battle.
[27:24] Speaker 5: You put on them boots and you put that motherfucker,
[27:26] Speaker 5: you take that gun and you say, yeah, we ready.
[27:29] Speaker 3: You just signed up for war. You going to tell
[27:32] Speaker 3: them not to shoot me in the legs?
[27:35] Speaker 2: Hey, look, my legs are off limits.
[27:38] Speaker 3: Don't shoot my legs.
[27:39] Speaker 4: For you, it doesn't bother you. Like, if they came
[27:42] Speaker 4: for your wife, for your kids, or whatever, you're like,
[27:44] Speaker 4: all right, cool, that's what.
[27:45] Speaker 3: You're supposed to do. Because it's war. For you, it
[27:47] Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
[27:48] Speaker 4: For Brandon, it's totally different.
[27:50] Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to turn me up.
[27:51] Speaker 3: For me, it's totally different.
[27:52] Speaker 2: But it's war.
[27:53] Speaker 3: Go crazy on you. There's nothing different in war. That
[27:57] Speaker 3: ain't war.
[27:58] Speaker 4: That's not war.
[27:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
[27:59] Speaker 2: Huh?
[28:00] Speaker 3: Your team versus my team. Yes, it's us against you.
[28:03] Speaker 4: That's not real bull.
[28:03] Speaker 5: These are our pawns in the front. They the front
[28:06] Speaker 5: line pawns. If the front line pawns can take your
[28:09] Speaker 5: fucking queen.
[28:10] Speaker 2: Huh?
[28:14] Speaker 3: Game over.
[28:15] Speaker 2: I'm just saying. You can say something and then they can...
[28:17] Speaker 2: you know, they can update play too.
[28:19] Speaker 3: I'm not saying you got to. But that's the point
[28:22] Speaker 3: of being a fan.
[28:24] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[28:24] Speaker 3: I'm talking. Like Trey Young in New York.
[28:26] Speaker 2: You think they hate him because they're winning? But that's
[28:29] Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
[28:32] Speaker 5: They're making him like if they just don't say nothing,
[28:34] Speaker 5: he probably won't go crazy.
[28:36] Speaker 3: Like they hate him more. Because when they get to going,
[28:41] Speaker 3: he gets to whooping off in the ass. So their
[28:44] Speaker 3: trash talking and him don't affect him, and he doubles down.
[28:48] Speaker 3: That's how you're supposed to be. For sure. You don't
[28:51] Speaker 3: have to say nothing. You just kill him. You're just
[28:54] Speaker 3: killing him.
[28:54] Speaker 2: Because he's killing him. Yeah, for sure. But when you're
[28:56] Speaker 2: getting killed and we're triggering you, now you got to
[29:01] Speaker 2: respond and react defensively. Because you're not up to par
[29:04] Speaker 2: with the battle. You're losing the battle.
[29:07] Speaker 7: So if you're still playing and your wife is at
[29:09] Speaker 7: the game and she's walking through the crowd or whatever
[29:11] Speaker 7: in the crowd, they know that's your wife. And they, whatever,
[29:14] Speaker 7: they turn around, they disrespect her, call her whatever.
[29:17] Speaker 4: Touch her, spit on her.
[29:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, you see her up there, yeah.
[29:20] Speaker 4: You see that. That doesn't trigger you?
[29:22] Speaker 3: No, that's what, we got security.
[29:24] Speaker 4: So that is a trigger.
[29:25] Speaker 3: No, the security. That's what I was supposed to do.
[29:28] Speaker 2: Jump out the game and be unprofessional.
[29:32] Speaker 3: And you saying who's doing this?
[29:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[29:33] Speaker 2: My wife is up there.
[29:34] Speaker 3: My wife is up there heckling me.
[29:36] Speaker 5: Yeah, heckling somebody. Yeah, we've had that. I'm going to
[29:38] Speaker 5: just sit up there and say security. We've had that.
[29:41] Speaker 5: We've had that.
[29:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. We've had that. Go run, go run, go.
[29:44] Speaker 3: Go run up there. Go run up there.
[29:49] Speaker 4: So you're just going to leave your wife there?
[29:50] Speaker 2: No, that's what the team security is for. That's what
[29:54] Speaker 2: they do.
[29:54] Speaker 3: They go, they grab, they kick him out, they make
[29:57] Speaker 3: sure she's all right. The fuck am I going to do?
[29:59] Speaker 3: Go up there and do what? Have team security pull
[30:02] Speaker 3: him out, make him do the same goddamn job anyway.
[30:05] Speaker 4: Okay.
[30:05] Speaker 3: But the only thing that changes is I got suspended
[30:09] Speaker 3: and lost millions.
[30:09] Speaker 2: Because you got out of your job.
[30:10] Speaker 3: Because I got, I went into the crowd.
[30:12] Speaker 4: I'm going to get suspended then.
[30:13] Speaker 3: I'm not getting suspended for no spit.
[30:16] Speaker 2: Are you saying if you spit on him?
[30:17] Speaker 4: You ain't get suspended for the spit. You get suspended
[30:19] Speaker 4: because it's your wife.
[30:21] Speaker 2: But you talk, yeah, we went from words to spit.
[30:24] Speaker 3: Y'all tripping. That's that local shit. No, that's what she
[30:27] Speaker 3: said first. She said spit. I did, but fans.
[30:30] Speaker 4: Also do that. They throwing shit on him.
[30:33] Speaker 2: Food, shit, everything else.
[30:34] Speaker 5: We said if they spit or throw something, that's different
[30:36] Speaker 5: than words. This is sticks and stones will break my bones.
[30:41] Speaker 2: Words will never hurt. But if somebody throws beer on
[30:44] Speaker 2: you or popcorn.
[30:44] Speaker 3: That's after all the shit happens. That's all that's going on.
[30:48] Speaker 3: That's what already started.
[30:50] Speaker 1: Is that open season on them? I mean, they do
[30:54] Speaker 1: that shit.
[30:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:55] Speaker 2: Everybody cross the line at this point. As you leave
[30:58] Speaker 2: in the court, toss the beer on them.
[30:59] Speaker 3: That's coming now, though, because you already did what you did.
[31:02] Speaker 2: So now, my thing is I'm about to get up
[31:04] Speaker 2: out of there.
[31:05] Speaker 5: Man, in college, when you played at Duke, bro, you
[31:08] Speaker 5: felt the energy of the crowd heckling you.
[31:11] Speaker 1: But did you look at them and say, you guys
[31:12] Speaker 1: are nerds and I'm not really fake about that?
[31:14] Speaker 3: No, you knew it. Like he said, if they heckling you,
[31:17] Speaker 3: you that nigga.
[31:18] Speaker 2: If somebody in the crowd is trying to get you
[31:20] Speaker 2: off your game.
[31:22] Speaker 5: You should be like, oh, okay, I got one of
[31:24] Speaker 5: them and a nigga guarding me. He's trying to get
[31:26] Speaker 5: me off my game.
[31:28] Speaker 2: And the ref.
[31:30] Speaker 3: They looking for me to, nah, I'm not going to
[31:31] Speaker 3: crash out.
[31:32] Speaker 9: So it's okay for them to talk reckless, but when
[31:35] Speaker 9: we talk about basketball players.
[31:36] Speaker 2: And everything like that, we got to watch what we say.
[31:38] Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
[31:40] Speaker 9: So like when we're talking about a certain, when we're
[31:42] Speaker 9: talking about certain players about how they play and how they,
[31:45] Speaker 9: and they get sensitive and mad, but we got to
[31:47] Speaker 9: back off and be Because we're players.
[31:49] Speaker 5: But you're saying we, like I've never backed out. I've
[31:52] Speaker 5: never gave a fuck about what these niggas think about
[31:54] Speaker 5: what I say.
[31:55] Speaker 3: No, but I'm just saying in general. Players on a
[31:58] Speaker 3: court when we're battling?
[32:00] Speaker 2: First of all, let's just be honest.
[32:02] Speaker 3: When we're playing the game itself, inside the lines, we
[32:06] Speaker 3: say worse shit to each other than.
[32:10] Speaker 2: Any fan can say.
[32:12] Speaker 3: And it's fine.
[32:13] Speaker 2: Especially when we get upset.
[32:14] Speaker 3: When we get upset, it's fine. As soon as the
[32:17] Speaker 3: fans be like, oh, you having a horrible game? Cry, baby.
[32:20] Speaker 3: Now you want to go all eat shit over there. Oh,
[32:23] Speaker 3: you want to go eat shit over there.
[32:24] Speaker 7: You're saying players have never wanted to fight each other
[32:27] Speaker 7: on the court?
[32:28] Speaker 4: People saying shit?
[32:29] Speaker 3: It depends. He don't want to fight if he's playing bad.
[32:34] Speaker 3: If he's busting my ass, he don't care.
[32:36] Speaker 2: I've never seen.
[32:38] Speaker 3: Someone go seven for seven and then just go irate.
[32:41] Speaker 3: 0 for 7 every time. Yeah. It's a bad game.
[32:45] Speaker 3: I won't take the 0 for 7. It's everything you
[32:47] Speaker 3: said matters. Hell yeah.
[32:49] Speaker 2: I'm out of here.
[32:49] Speaker 3: If you think I'm bullshitting, go to every Westbrook spaz out.
[32:53] Speaker 2: I guarantee you none of it was him playing well.
[33:00] Speaker 3: That's how it works. The reason we go at the
[33:03] Speaker 3: fans is because they're entering into something that's not a
[33:05] Speaker 3: part of them.
[33:06] Speaker 2: One fan did do it to Westbrook when he flicked
[33:08] Speaker 2: him off in Philly.
[33:09] Speaker 1: And Westbrook was losing.
[33:11] Speaker 3: They was getting their ass whooped. So that means you
[33:14] Speaker 3: hear everything when you get your ass whooped. Everything. You
[33:17] Speaker 3: see everything. What? He cried.
[33:21] Speaker 2: Who doesn't?
[33:24] Speaker 3: Somebody in the 400, you heard all that.
[33:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard all that. He gets the binoculars out.
[33:27] Speaker 2: He's like, this nigga up here is throwing a bird
[33:30] Speaker 2: at me. We sensitive when we lose it.
[33:32] Speaker 3: You said you've heard worse stuff from your teammates?
[33:34] Speaker 2: That's called being a sore loser, though. During the game?
[33:37] Speaker 2: From your teammates to opponents.
[33:40] Speaker 1: What's the most reckless thing you've had a teammate say
[33:42] Speaker 1: to you that was actually offensive to you that made
[33:43] Speaker 1: you want to fight him?
[33:45] Speaker 2: Other than pass. Your girl to work.
[33:47] Speaker 3: Where you think she was last night? You hear everything, bro. Like,
[33:50] Speaker 3: what are you talking about? What are you talking about?
[33:53] Speaker 3: Something that your teammates said to you?
[33:55] Speaker 2: No, like, the opponents.
[33:57] Speaker 1: Oh, opposing team has told you that your girl is
[33:59] Speaker 1: to work. Yeah, your girl's to work.
[34:01] Speaker 3: What do you think she was at last night?
[34:04] Speaker 2: That's right, yeah.
[34:04] Speaker 3: Uh-huh. I would hope.
[34:05] Speaker 2: In bed, preparing to come for me.
[34:07] Speaker 3: You think that baby yours for real?
[34:09] Speaker 2: You better get a DNA test.
[34:10] Speaker 3: Come on, man. I heard you asking questions. He look
[34:13] Speaker 3: just like me, bro. What you mean? She named him Rasheed.
[34:17] Speaker 2: Well, that's his fault. That's his fault.
[34:19] Speaker 3: She named him Rasheed, bro. That baby ain't mine. What
[34:21] Speaker 3: little Rasheed want for Christmas this year? What little Rasheed want?
[34:24] Speaker 3: At the free throw line. You good? With a little shit.
[34:34] Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to send the packages this year, bro.
[34:36] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. If you believe it, human.
[34:42] Speaker 2: You looking up there in the family session.
[34:44] Speaker 5: You looking at the family session like.
[34:45] Speaker 3: That's his fault if he believe that.
[34:47] Speaker 2: Because that means he ain't going to get the DNA.
[34:49] Speaker 2: I don't know what that bitch was. I don't know
[34:51] Speaker 2: what that bitch was last week either. I'm not taking
[34:52] Speaker 2: that risk. Where was she at last week for real?
[34:56] Speaker 2: She said she went on a girl's trip.
[34:58] Speaker 1: Hmm.
[35:00] Speaker 2: Brick.
[35:01] Speaker 3: Brick. Brick.
[35:04] Speaker 2: As soon as you miss, I'm like, yeah, you can
[35:07] Speaker 2: see it now, can't you?
[35:08] Speaker 3: You see it. Say whatever. Girl, it's war.
[35:19] Speaker 2: You sensitive about something?
[35:20] Speaker 3: Let me find out, please. Am I sensitive about something? Anybody.
[35:24] Speaker 3: I'm going up again.
[35:25] Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you heard worse from girls on the
[35:27] Speaker 2: court versus the fans. Y'all just play basketball?
[35:35] Speaker 3: Y'all just play basketball? Y'all just play basketball?
[35:46] Speaker 9: Kind of get sensitive, but for Cheryl, if I'm going
[35:48] Speaker 9: against Cheryl as a woman, I'm trying to get at Cheryl,
[35:51] Speaker 9: I'm probably, I got to be careful what I say.
[35:53] Speaker 2: This is not somebody that, first of all, this is
[35:55] Speaker 2: somebody who's like, you know who you can talk to
[35:57] Speaker 2: and who you can't.
[35:59] Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think it would be smart to
[36:01] Speaker 5: talk to Cheryl when she's in her, like, oh, Depends.
[36:04] Speaker 2: On how she.
[36:05] Speaker 3: If she's playing really good.
[36:06] Speaker 2: Well, four times, maybe eight times, I think you should
[36:08] Speaker 2: be very careful. But if she's playing really good, right?
[36:10] Speaker 4: If the player did it, that was very different.
[36:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're talking about fans.
[36:14] Speaker 3: If you're playing really good, she got 25.
[36:16] Speaker 2: 25 and a half.
[36:16] Speaker 3: You got 25 and a half.
[36:17] Speaker 4: The players, I did.
[36:18] Speaker 3: For me, the fans are.
[36:18] Speaker 2: The fans cross the line at times.
[36:27] Speaker 4: And that's the part where.
[36:29] Speaker 3: If I'm a fan, I'm crossing the line.
[36:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[36:32] Speaker 3: Cheryl, look.
[36:33] Speaker 2: You got 25 and a half. I don't care.
[36:36] Speaker 5: So, our job now is not to increase that to
[36:40] Speaker 5: go to 50. As fans, we got to figure out
[36:44] Speaker 5: how to cool you down.
[36:46] Speaker 3: How?
[36:46] Speaker 5: By talking crazy. We haven't said nothing to her, though.
[36:52] Speaker 5: We haven't said a word to her. She's just going crazy. Now,
[36:55] Speaker 5: all of a sudden, she here and Some wild shit
[36:58] Speaker 5: that got her at the free throw line.
[37:00] Speaker 2: What the hell?
[37:01] Speaker 3: You never played in Boston in the playoffs. Have you
[37:04] Speaker 3: played in Boston in the playoffs? Have you played in
[37:07] Speaker 3: Cleveland in the playoffs? 25 and a half.
[37:09] Speaker 5: So you think you saying something like that is going
[37:11] Speaker 5: to make me just be like getting me off.
[37:13] Speaker 2: I'm about to go crazier now. What just happened to
[37:15] Speaker 2: DeMarcus Cousins? It only hurts when you're losing. What just
[37:18] Speaker 2: happened to DeMarcus Cousins? We don't know how much he had.
[37:21] Speaker 2: But whatever he had, he's going up against Gallinari and
[37:24] Speaker 2: Ronaldo Bauchman on the other side.
[37:26] Speaker 3: Do you think that his team needs him to play?
[37:28] Speaker 2: But what happened to him?
[37:29] Speaker 3: It don't matter.
[37:30] Speaker 2: It's all about the timing. That's the point.
[37:35] Speaker 4: All we can see is a video. We don't know
[37:37] Speaker 4: what he did.
[37:38] Speaker 2: Nobody was touched.
[37:41] Speaker 7: But he could have said something that Boogie was.
[37:45] Speaker 4: Like, oh, hell no.
[37:47] Speaker 3: He won. Think about you're on the road. This is
[37:51] Speaker 3: not home. You're on the road. Do you think those
[37:54] Speaker 3: fans feel they won by getting him kicked.
[37:58] Speaker 2: Out or lost?
[38:00] Speaker 4: No, no, I'm sure they feel like they won.
[38:01] Speaker 2: So they're going to say it don't matter.
[38:03] Speaker 3: It don't matter what you said.
[38:05] Speaker 2: If they got irritated and he left, I don't care.
[38:08] Speaker 4: Listen, but for some people, that shit doesn't matter if
[38:11] Speaker 4: you won or lost.
[38:12] Speaker 7: Like, if you're disrespecting me to a point where I'm like,
[38:15] Speaker 7: I'm not cool with that, then I don't give a
[38:18] Speaker 7: shit if.
[38:18] Speaker 4: I get kicked out.
[38:19] Speaker 2: But you're not restoring your respect. You're not gaining respect, though, Cheryl.
[38:24] Speaker 2: And I don't care either. You're not gaining respect. But
[38:27] Speaker 2: who's respecting my time to gain? You're saying someone.
[38:30] Speaker 4: I'm not trying to gain nobody's respect.
[38:32] Speaker 5: But you're saying someone disrespected you. So if someone disrespects
[38:35] Speaker 5: you and you don't get no respect back, what is
[38:39] Speaker 5: the gain? You're not gaining respect by attacking.
[38:42] Speaker 4: I'm not trying to gain your respect.
[38:44] Speaker 7: But I'm also not going to sit here as a person,
[38:47] Speaker 7: as a human being and let you. personally disrespect me
[38:52] Speaker 7: i don't know what clearly the man said something it
[38:55] Speaker 7: was more than just i'm gonna grab my nuts but.
[38:57] Speaker 5: It sounds like you're saying i'm demanding respect you're saying
[39:01] Speaker 5: i demand respect no no no no you can go
[39:04] Speaker 5: but you're just going too far sometimes you go too
[39:07] Speaker 5: far people can go too far with you can i
[39:10] Speaker 5: ask you something let's just sit there just let somebody
[39:12] Speaker 5: just stump on them that's not what the work do
[39:14] Speaker 5: the work just let you just stump on them Well,
[39:17] Speaker 5: you want to come this weekend?
[39:18] Speaker 3: You want to come?
[39:18] Speaker 5: That's what the work do. You're not going to just keep.
[39:20] Speaker 5: I'm not a weekend. You pay her to do that.
[39:23] Speaker 5: That's what you pay her to do. You pay her
[39:24] Speaker 5: to come in here and stomp on you. At one point,
[39:25] Speaker 5: you got to wake up and be like, okay.
[39:27] Speaker 2: If she's doing it for free, you fucking up. You
[39:29] Speaker 2: put her there to do it.
[39:29] Speaker 3: So what happens So he got kicked out of this
[39:32] Speaker 3: game for some words. What do you think happens the
[39:34] Speaker 3: next road trip? What do you think those fans are
[39:36] Speaker 3: going to do? What do you think those fans are
[39:37] Speaker 3: going to do? You think they want him to come
[39:39] Speaker 3: in and 50 and 20? No, we're going to talk
[39:41] Speaker 3: the same shit.
[39:42] Speaker 2: That whole front row is going to be doing the
[39:45] Speaker 2: same thing.
[39:46] Speaker 3: What'd you say? It's not going to work the next time. Okay,
[39:49] Speaker 3: you got me.
[39:49] Speaker 5: Okay, but I'll let y'all know. Everybody know now.
[39:53] Speaker 2: We know if we talk to you, you're going to
[39:55] Speaker 2: get kicked out.
[39:56] Speaker 3: We know we can get him over there. That's what
[39:57] Speaker 3: we do know. We know. We keep going.
[39:59] Speaker 5: You're going to get kicked out.
[40:03] Speaker 3: You remember the Philadelphia with... I don't think.
[40:06] Speaker 2: DeMarcus Cousins is going to get kicked out again.
[40:08] Speaker 3: Remember IT's situation?
[40:10] Speaker 2: When the fan wanted a Frosty? Yeah, but what he
[40:12] Speaker 2: was saying. You know it.
[40:14] Speaker 3: Wait, huh? Remember when he was saying to him, talking
[40:17] Speaker 3: shit to him, and he went in the stand about
[40:19] Speaker 3: the little Frosty. And I said, yeah, every road tribute,
[40:23] Speaker 3: they're going to do that now. And that's what happened.
[40:25] Speaker 3: They started personally fucking.
[40:27] Speaker 2: With him, getting him all fucked up. Because he identified.
[40:30] Speaker 2: He already identified that that's a problem for him. He
[40:33] Speaker 2: can't stand it. That's why they kept doing the Westbrook shit.
[40:37] Speaker 5: Once he says something, it's just like pulling a line.
[40:42] Speaker 3: It triggered him. It was him. It triggered him. It
[40:45] Speaker 3: triggered him.
[40:46] Speaker 5: He responded to it publicly like, yo, I need y'all
[40:48] Speaker 5: to respect me. Put some respect on my name. My
[40:50] Speaker 5: family's in the crowd. Y'all disrespecting me. But that was a,
[40:54] Speaker 5: they put a price on his head right there. Okay, well, that's,
[40:58] Speaker 5: I don't know. Basketball, I just said the personal stuff.
[41:00] Speaker 2: Now, basketball, you can call me whatever, say whatever my
[41:02] Speaker 2: name is. I don't care about that. I'm talking about
[41:04] Speaker 2: the other stuff. He talking about respecting his name and
[41:07] Speaker 2: his legacy.
[41:07] Speaker 3: It's his name.
[41:08] Speaker 5: I mean, top 75. So why would he have a problem?
[41:11] Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know why. Because it's a trigger.
[41:13] Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
[41:14] Speaker 2: If it's a trigger and I know I could say
[41:17] Speaker 2: this and you gonna lose your mind.
[41:19] Speaker 3: Right. Bro.
[41:20] Speaker 4: I mean, that's not good enough.
[41:22] Speaker 3: I mean, I hear what you're saying. That's just not
[41:24] Speaker 3: a good thing.
[41:24] Speaker 4: They were saying more than just Westbrook.
[41:26] Speaker 2: But he came out and addressed that specifically.
[41:28] Speaker 1: He said he doesn't like his last name played with.
[41:30] Speaker 1: His kids gotta hear that.
[41:31] Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean... He's a different.
[41:34] Speaker 3: I mean, that's him. What's different? Don't hit me with
[41:39] Speaker 3: the gist. It's just him.
[41:42] Speaker 2: That's just for him.
[41:43] Speaker 3: Are y'all speaking for everybody?
[41:45] Speaker 7: I think different things trigger different people.
[41:49] Speaker 2: That triggered him.
[41:50] Speaker 3: And as a fan, what is my job to do?
[41:52] Speaker 3: Figure out what triggers you.
[41:54] Speaker 2: That's your job.
[41:55] Speaker 7: But my job as a person, not a basketball player,
[41:58] Speaker 7: my job as a person is to address things that
[42:02] Speaker 7: I feel are disrespectful to me.
[42:04] Speaker 3: Yes. And as a fan watching the game at the game,
[42:10] Speaker 3: and if you're going to address it and get out
[42:13] Speaker 3: the game, I'm going to make sure you.
[42:15] Speaker 2: Address me then.
[42:16] Speaker 3: As a fan, I paid my ticket to hackle you
[42:20] Speaker 3: so my team has a better chance of winning. That's
[42:24] Speaker 3: my job. Cleveland in the playoffs, you think they was nice?
[42:29] Speaker 3: They found all the dirt on the whole team. We
[42:32] Speaker 3: sitting there reading boards like....
[42:36] Speaker 2: Didn't know that. Didn't know that either.
[42:39] Speaker 3: Your wife used to be a stripper? Like we sitting
[42:41] Speaker 3: there whispering because people got... We sitting there finding out
[42:45] Speaker 3: everything about our teammates.
[42:46] Speaker 2: Man.
[42:47] Speaker 3: It was to the point where we didn't even.
[42:49] Speaker 2: Nobody wasn't even looking to stand them up. We just.
[42:52] Speaker 3: We just looking right in the game. We stopped looking.
[42:55] Speaker 2: You said when y'all played against Cleveland?
[42:57] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[42:57] Speaker 2: And what happened?
[42:58] Speaker 3: Woofless. And what happened?
[43:00] Speaker 2: Whooped our ass. Huh? They whooped our ass.
[43:03] Speaker 3: To the point we couldn't even go to the club.
[43:07] Speaker 3: All the heckling didn't do anything. It did. They was
[43:09] Speaker 3: heckling us. They whooped y'all ass. They was heckling us.
[43:12] Speaker 2: He was in Cleveland. Fans was heckling them. Their team
[43:16] Speaker 2: was heckling. We couldn't even. No, they was heckling us.
[43:18] Speaker 5: They was heckling them so they don't should turn up.
[43:21] Speaker 5: They making sure.
[43:22] Speaker 2: We couldn't even go to the mall.
[43:24] Speaker 3: Y'all this, y'all that. It was a Ritz hotel next
[43:28] Speaker 3: to the mall. Cleveland.
[43:30] Speaker 2: We couldn't even go in the mall. We couldn't even
[43:32] Speaker 2: go in the mall.
[43:34] Speaker 4: Why couldn't he go in the mall?
[43:35] Speaker 2: Because the fans were there. Oh, Cleveland did it to you.
[43:40] Speaker 3: Just random 300 fans just sitting out there to make
[43:43] Speaker 3: sure we can't go into Georgia.
[43:44] Speaker 2: So we were stuck to the hotel.
[43:45] Speaker 1: All right, well, let's keep this thing moving because we
[43:48] Speaker 1: got a special guest. Got a very special guest making
[43:51] Speaker 1: his first appearance in the arena. A businessman who's built
[43:54] Speaker 1: several multi-billion dollar companies. Current founder and CEO of Fanatics.
[43:59] Speaker 1: Former partner with the 76ers before he sold his stake
[44:01] Speaker 1: in the team in 2022 to focus entirely on Fanatics.
[44:04] Speaker 1: He's also a board member on the Fanatics Charitable Foundation
[44:07] Speaker 1: and serves as a co-chair of the social justice organization
[44:11] Speaker 1: Reform Alliance. Here to discuss the Fanatics Fest going down
[44:13] Speaker 1: in New York City from June 20th to 22nd at
[44:16] Speaker 1: the Jacob Javits Convention Center, entrepreneur, philanthropist, and social justice
[44:20] Speaker 1: advocate Michael Rubin. Welcome to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog
[44:24] Speaker 1: Whoop Whoop.
[44:26] Speaker 3: What's happening, guys?
[44:27] Speaker 10: Good to be here.
[44:28] Speaker 6: And definitely the most thorough introduction of me ever known.
[44:33] Speaker 2: We keep it thorough, brother. We keep it thorough around here.
[44:35] Speaker 3: I love it.
[44:35] Speaker 1: We're going to get to Fanatics Fest shortly, but first
[44:38] Speaker 1: we wanted to ask you about likely number one overall
[44:40] Speaker 1: pick in the upcoming draft, Cooper Flagg, signed a multi-year
[44:44] Speaker 1: trading card and memorabilia deal with Fanatics.
[44:46] Speaker 3: Earlier this year. So what did you see in Cooper.
[44:49] Speaker 1: Flagg that led to Fanatics creating this partnership with him?
[44:52] Speaker 6: Yeah, look, at Fanatics, we're lucky to work with the
[44:56] Speaker 6: best athletes in the world. We actually have about 5,000
[44:59] Speaker 6: athletes that we work with today that we have a
[45:01] Speaker 6: huge investment in. And, you know, Coopers are special as anybody. So,
[45:06] Speaker 6: you know, I remember when I flew out to... France
[45:09] Speaker 6: to get Victor Mbanyama signed. And, you know, a few
[45:13] Speaker 6: years later, it's like, you know, we're just so focused
[45:16] Speaker 6: on Cooper. And obviously, Victor's turned into everything we'd hoped
[45:18] Speaker 6: he'd been and more. And we're so bullish on that.
[45:21] Speaker 6: I think with Cooper, we're just, you know, we think
[45:23] Speaker 6: he's a special person that we can build with. And
[45:25] Speaker 6: one of the great things about our trading card and
[45:28] Speaker 6: collectibles business, different than where I started, because everyone thinks
[45:31] Speaker 6: of me for, you think about me for the merch business, right?
[45:33] Speaker 6: That's where I started. You think about me I mean,
[45:35] Speaker 6: for the NBA story, you think of me for fanatics,
[45:37] Speaker 6: you think of me where I started. And the great
[45:39] Speaker 6: thing is that was all about the all-stars, right? Memorabilia,
[45:42] Speaker 6: it was about how do you have the biggest stars
[45:44] Speaker 6: in the world? In the trading card business, it's really
[45:46] Speaker 6: about starting with people much younger in their career, when
[45:49] Speaker 6: they're rookies, when they're in college. And so we've had
[45:52] Speaker 6: to deal with Cooper for several years. We've seen him
[45:54] Speaker 6: do incredible. And, you know, we're honored to work with him.
[45:56] Speaker 6: And we actually have You know, Cooper, we have Dylan,
[45:59] Speaker 6: we have Ace, all exclusive Fanatics athletes. And, you know,
[46:02] Speaker 6: we're honored to have that. And, you know, we're also
[46:03] Speaker 6: launching NBA for the first time, 10-1 of this year. So,
[46:08] Speaker 6: you know, Topps is obviously the most iconic brand in
[46:10] Speaker 6: trading cards. But to bring the NBA and then have Cooper, Ace,
[46:14] Speaker 6: Dylan all as our partners is something we're super excited about.
[46:18] Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit more about Cooper Flagg. NBA
[46:20] Speaker 1: draft just a few weeks away. Flagg moving close to
[46:23] Speaker 1: becoming the first overall selection to the Dallas Mavs. Duke
[46:26] Speaker 1: freshman has been in the spotlight since high school. While
[46:29] Speaker 1: Coach K no longer running the show at Duke, he's
[46:32] Speaker 1: synonymous with the program. He made it clear that he
[46:34] Speaker 1: thinks Flagg is the greatest freshman player in Duke history.
[46:37] Speaker 1: So I want you to take a listen to what
[46:38] Speaker 1: Coach K said recently in a serious XM radio appearance.
[46:43] Speaker 11: Grant is the best player to ever play at Duke.
[46:48] Speaker 11: Leighton are the most accomplished and we've had great great
[46:52] Speaker 11: players Cooper in his freshman year is definitely the best
[46:57] Speaker 11: freshman that has ever played I work for the NBA
[47:03] Speaker 11: now and I was just at their board of governors
[47:05] Speaker 11: meetings and one of the talks I had with a
[47:09] Speaker 11: couple owners was we need to have those American stars
[47:15] Speaker 11: we have a lot of international stars I think five
[47:18] Speaker 11: of the last six MVPs, or maybe six out of six.
[47:23] Speaker 11: And Cooper can be that. Cooper can be that. His
[47:31] Speaker 11: future hopefully stays hungry and healthy. His future will be incredible.
[47:43] Speaker 1: So we heard what Coach K had to say, but Michael,
[47:45] Speaker 1: I want to ask you, do you believe Cooper Flagg
[47:47] Speaker 1: is the next great American basketball star?
[47:51] Speaker 6: Look, we are super bullish on Cooper.
[47:55] Speaker 10: We are a big believer. We have thought for.
[47:59] Speaker 6: a long time he was going to be the number
[48:00] Speaker 6: one pick in the draft, and I think nothing has changed. Again,
[48:05] Speaker 6: one of the funnest things for me is being on
[48:07] Speaker 6: these journeys with these guys since they've been young people,
[48:09] Speaker 6: so to see the journey, like I said, we've been
[48:12] Speaker 6: on with Victor, now to be going through it with Cooper,
[48:14] Speaker 6: we're really bullish. We think he's going to be a
[48:16] Speaker 6: giant star in the NBA, and we're investing in him
[48:19] Speaker 6: that way, and we're going to make him a big
[48:21] Speaker 6: part of Fanatics and everything that we do, not only
[48:23] Speaker 6: in the collectibles business, but across the entire business.
[48:27] Speaker 2: I just want to open up to the couch too quickly.
[48:29] Speaker 1: Do you guys agree with Coach K saying that Cooper
[48:31] Speaker 1: Flagg is the next great American basketball star?
[48:35] Speaker 3: American?
[48:37] Speaker 10: The couch is quiet.
[48:38] Speaker 3: Yeah. They're composing their thoughts. Wait, American or white American? American, Gil.
[48:44] Speaker 2: American. Red states, blue states, the United States, Gil. Red, blue, blue.
[48:53] Speaker 3: Huh?
[48:53] Speaker 2: The USA? Yeah, the USA. The next American star.
[48:58] Speaker 3: So, I mean, how many years do we have?
[48:59] Speaker 2: Like, how many? No, we don't have no years.
[49:02] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Is it this year's draft?
[49:04] Speaker 3: Last year's draft? I mean, there's so many young next stars.
[49:07] Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm caught up. I'm still caught up.
[49:09] Speaker 4: The flag will be the next great American star.
[49:11] Speaker 5: Not next star, next great American star. I'm caught up
[49:13] Speaker 5: on the freshman. The best freshman at Duke. That's why
[49:16] Speaker 5: I'm still stuck there.
[49:17] Speaker 1: Shotta, you're not agreeing with Coach K saying he's the best?
[49:20] Speaker 1: freshman in Duke history?
[49:21] Speaker 2: I'm going to just say yes, he's the next great
[49:24] Speaker 2: American star.
[49:25] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[49:27] Speaker 2: I don't know. We can't say anything. I'm going to
[49:31] Speaker 2: say I don't know.
[49:33] Speaker 3: No, no, no.
[49:34] Speaker 2: Okay, the confusion is this.
[49:35] Speaker 3: We have the old stars that's getting out, and then
[49:38] Speaker 3: we have upcoming stars that, like Jason Tatum and all
[49:42] Speaker 3: of them, they're American too, right? They're already stars, though.
[49:46] Speaker 3: So what is the category? The last three years?
[49:49] Speaker 1: Not currently a star, but next in line to be
[49:52] Speaker 1: a great American star.
[49:53] Speaker 3: The next?
[49:54] Speaker 1: You're talking about stars already in Jason Tatum, Olympia, gold medalist.
[49:57] Speaker 3: That's the whole setup. It sets them up. Okay, so
[50:01] Speaker 3: what is the mellow ball? He should be a star.
[50:04] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[50:04] Speaker 2: So is he a star yet or is it next coming?
[50:06] Speaker 3: It's a coming star.
[50:08] Speaker 2: It's a coming star. The last three years. Yes. Mike,
[50:11] Speaker 2: what do you think?
[50:14] Speaker 3: Can you make it clearer for me?
[50:15] Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think the question was pretty open.
[50:19] Speaker 6: It allows us to go with absolutely yes. We said,
[50:22] Speaker 6: will he be a big American star in the future?
[50:24] Speaker 6: I think that's a definite yes. I don't think we qualified.
[50:27] Speaker 6: Will he be the number one star? Will he be
[50:29] Speaker 6: the greatest ever? We said, is he going to be
[50:31] Speaker 6: a great star? I think that's an obvious yes.
[50:33] Speaker 3: Yes.
[50:33] Speaker 6: You know, that's the way we look at it. Can
[50:35] Speaker 6: we all hold hands and do a kumbaya?
[50:38] Speaker 3: Next great American star.
[50:40] Speaker 2: Next representing the future.
[50:41] Speaker 3: Not currently.
[50:43] Speaker 10: We didn't say the only. We said, will he be
[50:45] Speaker 10: a great star in the future?
[50:47] Speaker 3: Yes.
[50:48] Speaker 2: Why couldn't you say like him?
[50:50] Speaker 3: Yes.
[50:50] Speaker 2: That's why I'm not a billionaire yet. Okay.
[50:54] Speaker 10: Sharon is Karen. Let's go.
[50:55] Speaker 3: It's the wording.
[50:56] Speaker 2: Yes, I agree too. My question is, what makes him
[51:00] Speaker 2: a star?
[51:00] Speaker 3: Potentially. Potentially.
[51:03] Speaker 2: He's already a star.
[51:05] Speaker 3: Marketability. Yeah, so in theory, what he's saying is he's
[51:10] Speaker 3: already a superstar. He has already a superstar name.
[51:13] Speaker 2: So it's influence. So his influence is big, like superstar.
[51:17] Speaker 5: That's the main metric is how influential can you be
[51:20] Speaker 5: in the future?
[51:23] Speaker 10: You know what I think you guys really want to know?
[51:25] Speaker 6: Is he going to live up to the expectations that
[51:27] Speaker 6: people have for him? Because the expectations are really big.
[51:29] Speaker 6: So that's the real question asked differently, is will Cooper
[51:33] Speaker 6: Flagg live up to the high expectations that people have
[51:35] Speaker 6: for him?
[51:35] Speaker 10: Because you watch the hype around Victor Mignogna.
[51:38] Speaker 3: It was huge.
[51:40] Speaker 10: I'd say he's living up to that hype.
[51:41] Speaker 2: I mean, do you guys agree with me or not?
[51:43] Speaker 4: Without question.
[51:44] Speaker 1: Training with Shaolin monks, chess in New York, in addition
[51:47] Speaker 1: to everything he's doing.
[51:48] Speaker 2: Also, the question, too, is did we give him time? Well,
[51:52] Speaker 2: of course he's going to have time.
[51:53] Speaker 10: By the way, Victor's got a lot more. He's already
[51:55] Speaker 10: killing it. He's only two years in.
[51:57] Speaker 2: Two years in.
[51:58] Speaker 5: So wasn't it like the second year where we were like... No,
[52:01] Speaker 5: we did it the first year. We questioned him in
[52:04] Speaker 5: summer league. It was a lot of criticism.
[52:06] Speaker 2: He got dunked on. Yeah, a lot of criticism.
[52:08] Speaker 5: It was up until his fifth or sixth game where
[52:10] Speaker 5: he started to show like, okay, this could be something.
[52:13] Speaker 3: He was run up a defensive player of the year.
[52:14] Speaker 10: But the hype was that would Victor Mignogna be.
[52:18] Speaker 6: In five, ten years, the next giant NBA player, and
[52:22] Speaker 6: people said he would, I think he's living up.
[52:24] Speaker 3: To that hype.
[52:24] Speaker 2: He's on that trajectory for sure.
[52:26] Speaker 6: Right now the question is, for Cooper, will he live
[52:29] Speaker 6: up to the hype? And by the way, I'm going
[52:30] Speaker 6: to say I think he will.
[52:33] Speaker 2: It's a bad knowing.
[52:34] Speaker 6: Now let me also say one more thing. All of
[52:36] Speaker 6: you know a lot more about basketball than me.
[52:38] Speaker 3: Yes.
[52:39] Speaker 2: I agree too.
[52:40] Speaker 1: Yes.
[52:41] Speaker 2: Okay. We have agreement. So we asked the chat.
[52:44] Speaker 1: If they believe that Cooper Flagg is the next great
[52:46] Speaker 1: American basketball star, 52% of the chat said no, 48%
[52:50] Speaker 1: said yes. We're also asking the chat, will Flagg live
[52:52] Speaker 1: up to that? That's very close, Sheriff, for our chat.
[52:53] Speaker 2: Donators. You know, a lot of people don't like Duke.
[52:57] Speaker 2: It sounds like.
[52:58] Speaker 6: It's just like a political answer.
[53:00] Speaker 10: It sounds like we have politics at the best. The
[53:02] Speaker 10: country agrees on nothing.
[53:04] Speaker 1: But we did ask the chat if Flagg will live
[53:07] Speaker 1: up to the hype. Currently, 60% of the chat thinks
[53:09] Speaker 1: that he will live up to the hype.
[53:11] Speaker 10: Right, you see that? I'm a good interviewer.
[53:12] Speaker 2: I came up with the question.
[53:13] Speaker 10: You guys really want to know. I got 60% on board.
[53:16] Speaker 3: I'm winning.
[53:17] Speaker 2: But he won't be the next superstar. Again, our chat, very,
[53:21] Speaker 2: very fine people.
[53:22] Speaker 5: That's why you can't ask two fucking questions at one time.
[53:26] Speaker 3: They're torn.
[53:26] Speaker 2: They're trying to figure out which one's going to help
[53:28] Speaker 2: them to win.
[53:29] Speaker 3: They're trying to win.
[53:30] Speaker 1: All right, but let's shift this over, talk a little
[53:32] Speaker 1: bit about Fanatics Fest. So last year, Fanatics Fest 2024,
[53:35] Speaker 1: over 70,000 fans showed up across three days at various
[53:38] Speaker 1: activations where they got to meet their favorite athletes across
[53:41] Speaker 1: the entire sports world. So tickets for this year's event
[53:44] Speaker 1: are moving fast. Be sure to grab those now at fanaticsfest.com.
[53:47] Speaker 1: But how do you plan to top last year's Fanatics
[53:50] Speaker 1: Fest in 2025?
[53:51] Speaker 10: Well, I'm a masochist, so I got to figure out
[53:55] Speaker 10: how to do that always.
[53:55] Speaker 3: I mean, this is.
[53:56] Speaker 10: Something we do. It's a complete... passion project for me.
[54:00] Speaker 6: I mean, obviously my day job is running our, you know,
[54:04] Speaker 6: fan gear business, our collectibles business and our gaming business.
[54:07] Speaker 6: And for us, what I realized, and I'm sure you
[54:10] Speaker 6: guys all know this, there wasn't a sports festival at
[54:12] Speaker 6: all for sports fans. So it was like, I've been
[54:14] Speaker 6: to a hundred music festivals. I've been to South by Southwest.
[54:18] Speaker 6: I've been to Comic-Con and You're like, why do you
[54:20] Speaker 6: not have this in sports? I think the answer was
[54:22] Speaker 6: there was no one that could convene everyone together, and
[54:24] Speaker 6: it was easy for us because we work with 1,000.
[54:26] Speaker 10: Sports properties and 5,000 athletes.
[54:29] Speaker 6: It was easy for us to be the company to
[54:30] Speaker 6: come in to get the NFL and the NBA and
[54:32] Speaker 6: baseball and hockey and WWE and UFC to come for
[54:37] Speaker 6: our initial launch. And then this year we've added on
[54:40] Speaker 6: to it– Premier League, FIFA, USTA, Nike, Dick's Sporting Goods.
[54:46] Speaker 6: But then you've got so many incredible athletes.
[54:49] Speaker 10: That come to you.
[54:49] Speaker 6: So you say, how do you hype? How do you
[54:51] Speaker 6: kind of beat it? Last year, we had 70,000 people
[54:53] Speaker 6: show up for the first time. I had no idea
[54:55] Speaker 6: what was going to happen. I'm telling you, because I'm
[54:57] Speaker 6: always blunt, three weeks before, I'm like, how the fuck
[55:00] Speaker 6: did I get myself into this thing? Like, this is
[55:03] Speaker 6: so hard. But then you're like, do I want to
[55:06] Speaker 6: do this or not? Then you're like, but like, I'm
[55:07] Speaker 6: not a quitter. Like, of course, like we got to
[55:09] Speaker 6: give it everything we have and maybe it will work.
[55:10] Speaker 10: Maybe it won't.
[55:11] Speaker 6: And then like, I remember I didn't sleep for like
[55:14] Speaker 6: two or three days because I can go pretty, you know,
[55:17] Speaker 6: I can go.
[55:18] Speaker 10: I got a pretty good endorsement. I need to. And
[55:20] Speaker 10: the second night I was like, holy shit.
[55:22] Speaker 6: Like this is, you know, there, there were so many
[55:24] Speaker 6: people and there's so many happy faces and generations of
[55:27] Speaker 6: families coming together. And you see people, you watch Tom
[55:29] Speaker 6: Brady throwing passes to kids and you watch KD and
[55:33] Speaker 6: Ant just coming back with the Olympus with their gold
[55:35] Speaker 6: medals to talk about what they did.
[55:36] Speaker 10: And you realize like, man, this was right on.
[55:39] Speaker 6: So we actually lost 15 million bucks doing it the
[55:41] Speaker 6: first year, but who cares? It was like, you know,
[55:43] Speaker 6: in this grand scheme of things, it was marketing for fanatics. And,
[55:45] Speaker 6: you know, we're just honored to do it. So this year,
[55:47] Speaker 6: I think we think we're gonna have double the amount
[55:48] Speaker 6: of people this year for the first time. LeBron James
[55:51] Speaker 6: is coming this year. Victor Umiyama is coming back from
[55:54] Speaker 6: his trip.
[55:55] Speaker 3: He'll be there.
[55:57] Speaker 6: James Harden's coming. Kat's coming for the first time. KD's
[56:00] Speaker 6: coming back. We moved it from August until June so
[56:04] Speaker 6: we could get all of the current NFL players. So, like,
[56:07] Speaker 6: CJ Straud, Jaden Daniels, Caleb.
[56:09] Speaker 10: Williams, Russell Wilson, Micah Parsons, Tyreek Hill, C.D.
[56:13] Speaker 2: Lamb.
[56:14] Speaker 10: I mean, there's so many.
[56:15] Speaker 6: I think there's 50 current NFL players coming. Kevin Hart,
[56:19] Speaker 6: he's definitely not an athlete. Drewski, definitely not an athlete. Jay-Z,
[56:24] Speaker 6: Travis Scott. So it's just like a great collection of
[56:25] Speaker 6: people coming together. And it's so fun. And then we
[56:28] Speaker 6: created this Fanatics Games this year. We've got 100 people,
[56:31] Speaker 6: 50 athletes, celebrities, artists, and 50 fans competing against each
[56:34] Speaker 6: other for a million-dollar cash prize for the best athlete,
[56:38] Speaker 6: half a million-dollar Ferrari for the second prize, and a
[56:40] Speaker 6: quarter-million-dollar LeBron James 2003 trading card for the third prize.
[56:43] Speaker 3: So that's going to be fun.
[56:44] Speaker 10: A lot of people talk a lot of shit about
[56:46] Speaker 10: who's going to leave with the bag of money this year.
[56:47] Speaker 2: Wow, wow.
[56:48] Speaker 1: Lost 15 mil last year, you know. That was, you know,
[56:52] Speaker 1: because it's shit. I ain't never seen 15 mil, but
[56:55] Speaker 1: I respect it. But you just named off a long list.
[56:58] Speaker 10: It's marketing for fanatics, you know.
[57:00] Speaker 6: It's like we want to invest, like it's our responsibility
[57:02] Speaker 6: to invest in the fan. I wasn't trying to say
[57:05] Speaker 6: that in a... And Gregory, more like it wasn't a
[57:07] Speaker 6: good business. It was more like something we were really
[57:10] Speaker 6: excited to give back to the fans.
[57:12] Speaker 2: Oh, no, we get it. We get it.
[57:13] Speaker 1: And these things take time. Obviously, 2025 is going to
[57:15] Speaker 1: build on 2024. But you just named off an impressive
[57:17] Speaker 1: list of athletes. Curious, are you in a group chat
[57:20] Speaker 1: with any of these athletes? And what is that like
[57:22] Speaker 1: for you as a sports fan to be able to
[57:24] Speaker 1: hit these dudes and get them to respond to you?
[57:27] Speaker 10: Yeah, of course.
[57:28] Speaker 6: I mean, the amount of shit that we talk to
[57:29] Speaker 6: each other on a daily basis is insane.
[57:32] Speaker 10: Actually, I just hung out with James Harden. He was
[57:35] Speaker 10: telling me how he's going to win the games.
[57:36] Speaker 6: Michael Parsons called me a bunch of times saying, I'm
[57:38] Speaker 6: taking that bag home.
[57:40] Speaker 10: I hear KD's training. Yeah, I love this shit. Listen,
[57:44] Speaker 10: I'm a shit talker.
[57:45] Speaker 6: My friends and I, we just kind of abuse each
[57:47] Speaker 6: other every day, and we just make fun of each
[57:49] Speaker 6: other for a living. So I'm generally in for the banter.
[57:52] Speaker 6: So yeah, it's like, look, I have the greatest job
[57:55] Speaker 6: in the world. I do this 17 hours a day.
[57:57] Speaker 6: it's all I do. It's the only thing I'm good at.
[57:59] Speaker 10: I love it.
[57:59] Speaker 6: And, um, you know, to work around such incredible, you know, athletes,
[58:03] Speaker 6: you know, artists, celebrities, sports fans, owners who like help me,
[58:08] Speaker 6: give me the opportunity to build for an axis, the
[58:10] Speaker 6: greatest out in the world. And I'm learning from them
[58:11] Speaker 6: every day and we're trying to get back every day.
[58:14] Speaker 6: And so it's a blast.
[58:15] Speaker 5: So if you lose a bet, do you, do you
[58:18] Speaker 5: own up to your bet? Like if, I beat you
[58:20] Speaker 5: in tennis, you're going bunny hop until I say stop.
[58:23] Speaker 10: Better than anybody. No one pays their bets better than me.
[58:27] Speaker 10: And you know what? That's obviously a well-known story.
[58:31] Speaker 6: You know, Meek and I were in the Bahamas together
[58:34] Speaker 6: four years ago, and he says to me, um, let's
[58:37] Speaker 6: play tennis together.
[58:38] Speaker 10: I'm like, there's only two sports. I have a chance
[58:40] Speaker 10: of beating you in skiing and tennis.
[58:43] Speaker 6: And by the way, cause I'm a shitty ass athlete.
[58:45] Speaker 6: We all know the pitch that I put. Uh, and
[58:47] Speaker 6: by the reason I put my pitch online was I
[58:50] Speaker 6: want to show people you could actually be a shitty athlete.
[58:52] Speaker 6: And by the way, I barely made out of high school.
[58:54] Speaker 6: I got a, seven and 80 combined on my SATs,
[58:57] Speaker 6: barely graduated high school, went to college for six weeks.
[59:00] Speaker 6: Like I like to show people you can suck at
[59:02] Speaker 6: everything and be good at something else.
[59:04] Speaker 3: That's me in business.
[59:05] Speaker 6: So that was actually why I posted that video of me.
[59:07] Speaker 6: I actually had good pitches. I didn't post like, I
[59:09] Speaker 6: like to make fun of myself. And, um, so Beak
[59:12] Speaker 6: and I were in the Bahamas. He's like, yo, let's
[59:14] Speaker 6: go play tennis. He's like, I'm going to whip you.
[59:16] Speaker 6: I'm like, Meek, you're not that good of an athlete
[59:17] Speaker 6: to start with. Like stop talking shit. And so we
[59:20] Speaker 6: went to play. I'm like, what do you want to
[59:22] Speaker 6: play for? Like, I figured you don't want to bet
[59:23] Speaker 6: me money.
[59:24] Speaker 10: And like, I like, I don't want to, I like,
[59:25] Speaker 10: I really want to take money from my friends and,
[59:27] Speaker 10: I'm like, he's like, I'm like, let's do pushups.
[59:29] Speaker 6: We do a hundred pushups. He's like, let's do bunny hops.
[59:31] Speaker 6: I'm like, what's a bunny hop? He gets up, he
[59:33] Speaker 6: shows me. Well, the tennis match was crazy because we're
[59:36] Speaker 6: both so fucking bad. It was like a game of
[59:39] Speaker 6: like who was worse. And somehow I just like, it
[59:42] Speaker 6: went back and forth on game set point so many
[59:45] Speaker 6: times and somehow I won. And then I'm talking so
[59:47] Speaker 6: much shit. So, like, growing up around, like, Meek's been
[59:50] Speaker 6: my brother forever. Like, you know, people think, everyone always
[59:53] Speaker 6: talks about, like, when I helped Meek get out of,
[59:56] Speaker 6: you know, prison when he should have been there. People
[59:58] Speaker 6: talk about that, like, when we met, like, Meek's been
[59:59] Speaker 6: my boy since 2014. Like, we've been out hundreds of
[1:00:02] Speaker 6: times before. So when he's, like, showing me, here's how
[1:00:05] Speaker 6: you do the bunny hop, and he's bunny hopping around, like,
[1:00:07] Speaker 6: I don't think anything of it, so I put it
[1:00:08] Speaker 6: on my social media.
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: And then, like.
[1:00:11] Speaker 6: You know, years later, people want to make a big
[1:00:13] Speaker 6: deal out of it. But you got to be, look,
[1:00:14] Speaker 6: you got to be thick skinned. The better you do,
[1:00:15] Speaker 6: people come for you. You know, I know in my heart,
[1:00:17] Speaker 6: Meek knows in his heart, like I'm always trying to
[1:00:19] Speaker 6: help people do good. So, you know, sometimes you wish
[1:00:22] Speaker 6: I'd have felt of someone to say, hey, you shouldn't
[1:00:24] Speaker 6: post that for this reason. But the reality is like.
[1:00:27] Speaker 6: I've done bunny hops with me 500 times. And by
[1:00:30] Speaker 6: the way, he's putting me on Instagram, but nobody cares
[1:00:32] Speaker 6: when he makes me do bunny hops.
[1:00:34] Speaker 5: Hey, I just want to make sure you pay your bet.
[1:00:37] Speaker 5: That's all shit. You know bunny hopping or not.
[1:00:39] Speaker 10: I thought I was taking bunny hop abuse right now.
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: So, you know.
[1:00:43] Speaker 6: It was actually a good learning story, but I will
[1:00:46] Speaker 6: say I pay my bets faster than anybody. I've delivered
[1:00:50] Speaker 6: a lot of bags of money because I'm a shitty athlete.
[1:00:52] Speaker 6: You want to bet with me because I generally don't care,
[1:00:54] Speaker 6: and it's generally good odds.
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: To bet against me.
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: Shit. We need to bet more then.
[1:01:03] Speaker 10: You're like, how do I get this? Where's this guy
[1:01:05] Speaker 10: right now?
[1:01:05] Speaker 6: I got a couple of athletic skills I want to
[1:01:07] Speaker 6: bet him in. I did say Meek and I do
[1:01:09] Speaker 6: have a bet in skiing that he's now scared to
[1:01:11] Speaker 6: do with me. He said, I've never skied. I'll beat
[1:01:13] Speaker 6: you in skiing. I said, I want to take you
[1:01:15] Speaker 6: up that lift and see you beat me in skiing.
[1:01:16] Speaker 6: That's the only sport I really have a chance in.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: Well, I asked you this, Mike. Who you got winning
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: the championship?
[1:01:24] Speaker 6: Well, I see the shirt that's being worn there. Look,
[1:01:27] Speaker 6: I'm with the popular group. I love Tyrese Halliburton.
[1:01:30] Speaker 10: He's great.
[1:01:31] Speaker 6: I think he's such a good dude. I like a
[1:01:32] Speaker 6: couple guys on the team personally. I'm on OKC.
[1:01:38] Speaker 10: How about you guys?
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: Who you got, Cheryl?
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: OKC. Cheryl, spit it out.
[1:01:46] Speaker 10: Don't be shy.
[1:01:46] Speaker 4: I said OKC, man.
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: Who you got, me?
[1:01:49] Speaker 10: I did.
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: I got OKC in six.
[1:01:51] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:01:55] Speaker 10: I got OKC in six.
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: OKC, I just bought the T-shirt because I thought it
[1:01:57] Speaker 2: was cool.
[1:01:59] Speaker 10: I like that T-shirt.
[1:02:00] Speaker 5: It's kind of weird because it looked like he got
[1:02:02] Speaker 5: a ball and chain around his neck.
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: He has my little league championship ring. Like you got
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: a ball and chain around his neck. In his mouth.
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: I'm going Pacers in seven. Maybe the only ring that
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: he's in. Pacers in seven. All right, hold on.
[1:02:12] Speaker 10: What do you want to bet?
[1:02:13] Speaker 3: Pacers in seven. What do you want? I ain't got nothing.
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: I'm broke, baby. I'm broke, baby. I got nothing.
[1:02:21] Speaker 10: I'll give you some good odds on that one.
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: We can bet C. Let's do the 100 push-ups. I
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: like the push-ups.
[1:02:26] Speaker 10: I was going to say, you know what? The push-ups
[1:02:28] Speaker 10: is a good bet. I like that.
[1:02:30] Speaker 6: How about you take Pacers, I take OKC. Next time
[1:02:34] Speaker 6: we see each other, we do two sets of 50.
[1:02:37] Speaker 5: Hopefully it's at the white party, man, because we're all
[1:02:39] Speaker 5: white just for you today.
[1:02:41] Speaker 3: Say this is America. We're back.
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: Sean did wear his finest white.
[1:02:44] Speaker 3: It helps him get the invite to the white party.
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: Shit, I'm trying to win my way into the fucking roster.
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: Shit.
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: I'll pull the cars up too, Mike.
[1:02:54] Speaker 10: I just want to say one thing.
[1:02:55] Speaker 6: You have to have true athletic skills to be able
[1:02:59] Speaker 6: to have the endurance to make it through that party.
[1:03:01] Speaker 6: That party starts at 5 p.m. It goes until 6 a.m.
[1:03:05] Speaker 6: By the way, the biggest it ever was was 380 people,
[1:03:08] Speaker 6: and there were still 250 people there at 5 a.m.
[1:03:12] Speaker 6: Everyone gets there right when it starts. It's a blast.
[1:03:16] Speaker 6: We do it every other year now. We have the
[1:03:19] Speaker 6: Reform Alliance Casino Night that Jay and Meek and myself
[1:03:23] Speaker 6: and Robert do together.
[1:03:23] Speaker 10: That's this year.
[1:03:25] Speaker 6: And then next year we're back July 4th for the
[1:03:27] Speaker 6: white party. But I got, you gotta know, you gotta
[1:03:29] Speaker 6: be training for that. Like you have to build up
[1:03:31] Speaker 6: your endurance.
[1:03:32] Speaker 10: You have to be strong. You have to be the
[1:03:33] Speaker 10: top of your athletic career.
[1:03:34] Speaker 6: Like that's not an easy thing to be able to, to,
[1:03:37] Speaker 6: to make it through. I thought we broke Brady the
[1:03:40] Speaker 6: first year. I remember seeing him at like. 4.30 in
[1:03:42] Speaker 6: the morning, he's like, I'm not built for this.
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: I'm like, no, you're not. Yeah.
[1:03:47] Speaker 5: Sounds like the type of party I've been waiting to
[1:03:49] Speaker 5: be invited to.
[1:03:51] Speaker 3: You know, I'm bored. I am out here. They don't
[1:03:53] Speaker 3: got the type of parties out here, Mike. Our parties
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: end a little earlier.
[1:03:58] Speaker 6: Listen, I'm not as young as I used to be,
[1:04:01] Speaker 6: but when I commit, I commit. Like, I used to have, like,
[1:04:03] Speaker 6: 20 days a year. Now I'm down to, like, five
[1:04:06] Speaker 6: to eight, but those five to eight days, I'm going
[1:04:07] Speaker 6: to make them count, baby.
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: Michael, you are physically here with us in the arena,
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: but I can tell you that Gil is a huge
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: sports memorabilia fan. We have jerseys all over the set.
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: He has a bunch more that we haven't even found
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: room yet for. He got some he don't even know.
[1:04:23] Speaker 1: He got an autographed Obama chair from a Wizards game.
[1:04:26] Speaker 1: But who are some of the biggest sports memorabilia collectors
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: that you know?
[1:04:30] Speaker 6: Well, first let me say my favorite piece. So I've
[1:04:33] Speaker 6: really gotten into collective memorabilia. The favorite piece of memorabilia,
[1:04:37] Speaker 6: which is not what you asked me that I have
[1:04:40] Speaker 6: is we've all talked about what a horrible athlete I am.
[1:04:43] Speaker 6: And actually the miracle of me winning that tennis game,
[1:04:45] Speaker 6: by the way, but we had a football game on
[1:04:47] Speaker 6: the beach. You guys probably saw a couple of years ago,
[1:04:49] Speaker 6: right before the white party. And CJ Shrod said to me,
[1:04:53] Speaker 6: he drew me this route. He said, here's exactly what
[1:04:54] Speaker 6: to do. And I went out, I ran the route perfectly.
[1:04:57] Speaker 6: Turn around. He, Freaking threw me a bullet. I caught
[1:05:00] Speaker 6: the ball right on OBJ. And, like, everyone was stunned
[1:05:05] Speaker 6: because you expect me to drop it, it to hit
[1:05:07] Speaker 6: me in the head, it to be terrible.
[1:05:08] Speaker 10: I caught the ball.
[1:05:09] Speaker 6: It was the only athletic thing I've ever done in
[1:05:10] Speaker 6: my life. And CJ signed that ball. I said, Rube,
[1:05:13] Speaker 6: the only athletic thing you've ever done. That's my proudest
[1:05:15] Speaker 6: piece of memorabilia.
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: Oh, that's fire.
[1:05:18] Speaker 6: I want to start with that. That's a good piece
[1:05:19] Speaker 6: of memorabilia. It's actually sitting on my desk here in
[1:05:21] Speaker 6: the office. But look, memorabilia is so amazing because you
[1:05:25] Speaker 6: memorialize the great things that happen. And that's like, honestly,
[1:05:28] Speaker 6: like it's one of the reasons we started Fanatics Fest.
[1:05:30] Speaker 6: It's like you bring together all these great people, these
[1:05:33] Speaker 6: great sports. We're going to have the biggest memorabilia museum
[1:05:36] Speaker 6: ever assembled. Next week, there's $ 350 million of memorabilia between
[1:05:40] Speaker 6: trading cards. Like we have Brady's 28-3 jersey from his comeback.
[1:05:45] Speaker 10: That's insane.
[1:05:46] Speaker 6: You know, I think we have some of his rings
[1:05:48] Speaker 6: there from his Super Bowl rings. It's like, look, I
[1:05:50] Speaker 6: ain't shit without you guys. You're the people that do
[1:05:53] Speaker 6: all that. You're the guys that do all the work.
[1:05:54] Speaker 6: You're putting on the court, on the ice, on the field,
[1:05:57] Speaker 6: doing what you do. For me, I'm lucky to be around,
[1:05:59] Speaker 6: you know, incredibly athletic people the opposite of me. It
[1:06:02] Speaker 6: gives me the ability to build, you know, fanatics the
[1:06:04] Speaker 6: way I do. But, you know, like I love to
[1:06:06] Speaker 6: celebrate and memorialize the things that amazing, you know, athletes
[1:06:10] Speaker 6: like you guys have done. And hopefully I just get
[1:06:13] Speaker 6: like a 1% rub off for one day, get a
[1:06:15] Speaker 6: teeny bit of hand-eye coordination.
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: So I mentioned earlier, he recently had an ownership stake
[1:06:22] Speaker 1: in the Sixers before selling that. Still a Sixers fan,
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: I imagine. When you look at the squad this year
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: dealing with injuries, the situation with Embiid, not being able
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, how do you feel about the
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: Sixers missing the playoffs this year and the state of
[1:06:35] Speaker 1: the franchise moving forward?
[1:06:37] Speaker 10: Yeah, well, missing the playoffs this year sucks. There's no
[1:06:40] Speaker 10: other way to say it.
[1:06:40] Speaker 6: Look, I think when you own an NBA team, you
[1:06:44] Speaker 6: have one responsibility to that city, which is to do
[1:06:47] Speaker 6: everything you can to win a championship.
[1:06:48] Speaker 10: And each year that you don't win, I think you failed.
[1:06:50] Speaker 6: And I think, you know, when you're on a sports team,
[1:06:52] Speaker 6: you better take that responsibility that seriously.
[1:06:55] Speaker 10: So, you know, for me, like I love the experience of.
[1:06:59] Speaker 6: Kind of being the third largest owner of the Sixers
[1:07:01] Speaker 6: until 2022 and everything I learned.
[1:07:04] Speaker 10: It was so in the way of me building.
[1:07:08] Speaker 6: It was way past the time of me needing to
[1:07:10] Speaker 6: move on and put all of my effort into Fanatics,
[1:07:12] Speaker 6: which is what I just did. love more than anything doing.
[1:07:15] Speaker 6: But I think that, look, the Sixers, you know, Joel
[1:07:17] Speaker 6: is obviously, you know, an incredible basketball player. You know,
[1:07:21] Speaker 6: they had as much injury issues as you can. I'm
[1:07:24] Speaker 6: just looking forward to them getting healthy. Like, look, you
[1:07:26] Speaker 6: hate to say it, but I'm just looking forward to
[1:07:27] Speaker 6: these guys getting healthy and doing what they're capable of doing.
[1:07:30] Speaker 6: I will say one last thing, and I think all
[1:07:32] Speaker 6: of you will appreciate this. We're all in the sports business.
[1:07:36] Speaker 6: That takes the fandom out of it. Like, I root
[1:07:38] Speaker 6: for my friends. I root for the people I'm invested in. Like,
[1:07:42] Speaker 6: I can't say I bleed Sixers. The day I sold
[1:07:45] Speaker 6: my ownership stake, I think the way I feel about
[1:07:47] Speaker 6: the team is probably I'm just not as big. Like,
[1:07:50] Speaker 6: I'm rooting for the people I'm invested in. I'm rooting
[1:07:52] Speaker 6: for Cooper Flagg. I'm rooting for Victor Mignama. Like, there
[1:07:55] Speaker 6: are a lot of games I can't even go to
[1:07:56] Speaker 6: because I'm so conflicted for the people. Like, you know,
[1:07:58] Speaker 6: I'm with the Knicks, Celtics. You know, and I'm friends
[1:08:01] Speaker 6: with people on the Knicks and I'm friends with Jason Tatum.
[1:08:03] Speaker 6: I'm sitting there, you know, with Wick there and Robert Cracker.
[1:08:06] Speaker 6: Just like I just, you know, kind of root for
[1:08:08] Speaker 6: good games and my friends to do well. So I
[1:08:10] Speaker 6: know it seems lame as shit, but it's almost the truth.
[1:08:12] Speaker 6: And I know each of you know, the second you
[1:08:14] Speaker 6: went from one team to another, you're like, fuck my
[1:08:16] Speaker 6: old team.
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: And, you know, I don't care about my new team.
[1:08:19] Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
[1:08:20] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:08:21] Speaker 6: So, I mean, with all respect to the Sixers, I
[1:08:24] Speaker 6: love them, but I can't say I'm bleeding the way
[1:08:26] Speaker 6: I used to bleed because I'm in the business of
[1:08:29] Speaker 6: working with the greatest athletes on the planet, the greatest
[1:08:32] Speaker 6: sports in the world, and I root for my friends.
[1:08:34] Speaker 6: The Sixers are my friends, so I root for them,
[1:08:35] Speaker 6: but it's not like I have... Not like the third
[1:08:38] Speaker 6: large donor anymore, so I'm sweating every detail and having
[1:08:41] Speaker 6: FaceTimes with Joe and James and talking about the different stuff. Like,
[1:08:45] Speaker 6: I'm sweating every detail at Fanatics Fest right now.
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: Most definitely.
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: So, born in Philly, like you mentioned, you went to
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: Villanova for about six good weeks before you made your
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: next move, your best move, became a full-time entrepreneur. So,
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: anytime Villanova is mentioned these days, the new... York Knicks
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: come to mind with that Nova Knicks crew, Brunson, Josh Hart,
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: Mikael Bridges. So as someone who went to Villanova, how
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: close are the Knicks to being a title team in
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: your opinion?
[1:09:10] Speaker 6: Well, let me say first, it's wrong to associate me
[1:09:12] Speaker 6: with Villanova because the six weeks I was there, I
[1:09:15] Speaker 6: was in the parking lot buying and selling footwear closeouts
[1:09:17] Speaker 6: and going to the bars in the nighttime. So I'd
[1:09:19] Speaker 6: say I was actually attending school for six weeks, but
[1:09:22] Speaker 6: I'm not sure that I actually attended the classes. They
[1:09:24] Speaker 6: dug up my report card a few years ago. I
[1:09:26] Speaker 6: think I had a 1.89 average for the short period
[1:09:28] Speaker 6: of time.
[1:09:29] Speaker 2: That I was there. That's solid. That's better than me.
[1:09:31] Speaker 10: I was consistent with my SATs at least.
[1:09:34] Speaker 3: You know, look, I don't know.
[1:09:35] Speaker 6: I mean, the thing that the Knicks have, and you
[1:09:37] Speaker 6: guys tell me, because, again, you guys know, like, not
[1:09:40] Speaker 6: a hundred times more, but probably a billion times more
[1:09:42] Speaker 6: about basketball than I know. I think they have great chemistry,
[1:09:44] Speaker 6: and chemistry matters. Like, the one thing we all know,
[1:09:47] Speaker 6: how many times have we seen... a team of superstars
[1:09:50] Speaker 6: come together and it doesn't work because there's, you know, Hey,
[1:09:54] Speaker 6: there's only one ball and it's hard to get people
[1:09:56] Speaker 6: to work together. And the amount of bullshit that we've
[1:09:58] Speaker 6: all been part of, but trying to get people to
[1:10:00] Speaker 6: work together that it seems obvious on paper, but you know,
[1:10:04] Speaker 6: then you get to the, the reality of what's on
[1:10:06] Speaker 6: paper doesn't always work in reality. I think what the
[1:10:09] Speaker 6: Knicks have is a low ego team that works pretty
[1:10:12] Speaker 6: well together.
[1:10:13] Speaker 10: I think that's pretty special.
[1:10:14] Speaker 6: So I'll tell you like, For a guy who barely
[1:10:17] Speaker 6: made it out of high school, I bet on my
[1:10:19] Speaker 6: work ethic and my will and my ability to bring
[1:10:21] Speaker 6: people together over a lot of other things. I think
[1:10:24] Speaker 6: the Knicks have a lot of those traits, so I
[1:10:26] Speaker 6: think the Knicks can go places based on the chemistry
[1:10:28] Speaker 6: and teamwork they have.
[1:10:29] Speaker 10: But what do you guys think?
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: Sean, you are a resident Knicks fan here on the
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: couch for the time being until free agency kicks off
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: You think the Knicks are close to winning a title?
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: What are you doing?
[1:10:44] Speaker 3: Relax.
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: I think we're definitely close.
[1:10:47] Speaker 4: Got that soul glow.
[1:10:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to glow over here. I think with
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: the new improvements that we're going to make, we're going
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: to be in.
[1:10:56] Speaker 3: Position, you know.
[1:10:58] Speaker 5: I didn't think we would get rid of Kat so easily,
[1:11:00] Speaker 5: but I think with certain people being up for trade discussions,
[1:11:04] Speaker 5: we can make some moves, and those moves are going
[1:11:07] Speaker 5: to be contingent whether or not I'm still a Knicks
[1:11:08] Speaker 5: fan or not.
[1:11:11] Speaker 10: I got to say one thing.
[1:11:12] Speaker 6: You got to be happy because if you look where
[1:11:14] Speaker 6: the Knicks were a couple years ago, people thought they
[1:11:16] Speaker 6: were always a team that, you know, was a joke.
[1:11:18] Speaker 6: And they pulled that together. Leon Rose, all those guys,
[1:11:21] Speaker 6: they've done a great job. You got to give mad
[1:11:22] Speaker 6: respect to what they've done.
[1:11:24] Speaker 10: And by the way, Knicks fans are for fucking real.
[1:11:27] Speaker 6: Like, I was last weekend, I was at the Champions
[1:11:31] Speaker 6: League Finals sitting with the owner of PSG, and I
[1:11:34] Speaker 6: put out on my Instagram, like, US sports fans got
[1:11:37] Speaker 6: to step it up.
[1:11:38] Speaker 10: I think I had, like, 500.
[1:11:40] Speaker 6: Knicks fans trying to kill me for just accusing them
[1:11:43] Speaker 6: of not being good enough fans because I was giving
[1:11:45] Speaker 6: the PSG and Inter Milan fans props for being such
[1:11:48] Speaker 6: crazy soccer fans, and I think the Knicks fans are
[1:11:51] Speaker 6: ready to kill me.
[1:11:52] Speaker 10: Those fans are serious, man. You guys are great fans.
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: So in addition to the work you've done with the NBA,
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: you partnered with Jay-Z, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and others
[1:12:00] Speaker 1: to co-found and co-chair the Reform Alliance, which focuses on
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: social justice advocacy. So how did the creation of the
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: Reform Alliance come about?
[1:12:09] Speaker 6: It's actually, look, a lot of people know the story,
[1:12:11] Speaker 6: but it's kind of insane because obviously Meek had been
[1:12:15] Speaker 6: a really good friend of mine before that November day
[1:12:18] Speaker 6: of 2017. And I remember like it was Jesse called
[1:12:21] Speaker 6: me and said, hey, Rube, can you come to court
[1:12:23] Speaker 6: with me on Monday?
[1:12:26] Speaker 10: I'm like, why? He's like, I want you to see
[1:12:27] Speaker 10: what happens when a black person goes to court. Like,
[1:12:30] Speaker 10: you know, like Meek.
[1:12:32] Speaker 6: Has had moments where you just feel like he's being
[1:12:33] Speaker 6: dramatic and you don't know. And so I'm like, you
[1:12:36] Speaker 6: really need me to come? He's like, yeah, I need
[1:12:37] Speaker 6: you to come. I didn't think anything of it. I canceled,
[1:12:42] Speaker 6: you know, I canceled my meetings. I lived 20 minutes.
[1:12:44] Speaker 6: I came to court and it was the, you know,
[1:12:48] Speaker 6: it was probably the, one of the most surreal moments
[1:12:51] Speaker 6: of my life.
[1:12:51] Speaker 10: And one of the most.
[1:12:54] Speaker 6: Smart things he could have possibly done because I came
[1:12:57] Speaker 6: in there and I'm like meek. This is a probation
[1:13:00] Speaker 6: hearing because you popped a wheelie on a motorcycle and
[1:13:02] Speaker 6: broke up a fight in the airport. There's one 60
[1:13:04] Speaker 6: to 50 ticket. Like you got nothing to worry about.
[1:13:08] Speaker 6: And look, I thought this would be 15 minutes, like
[1:13:10] Speaker 6: two hours in the court hearing. They give us like
[1:13:12] Speaker 6: an intermission for a baton break. And I see all
[1:13:15] Speaker 6: these cops walking and sheriffs walking. I'm like, what the
[1:13:18] Speaker 6: fuck is going on?
[1:13:19] Speaker 10: And I come.
[1:13:21] Speaker 6: Back and literally they asked me, hey, can you speak?
[1:13:26] Speaker 6: For me, I'm like, sure, I get up and I
[1:13:27] Speaker 6: talk about my relationship with him. I talked about my
[1:13:30] Speaker 6: mom who was in her 70s at that point and
[1:13:34] Speaker 6: the relationship she had with Meek and the relationship that
[1:13:36] Speaker 6: Meek had with my daughter and how many times I've
[1:13:38] Speaker 6: been out with my friends and around with me with everybody.
[1:13:42] Speaker 6: How will I know this guy? He's like, look, he's
[1:13:43] Speaker 6: not perfect. He grew up in a very different situation
[1:13:46] Speaker 6: than I grew up. very middle class. He didn't grow
[1:13:48] Speaker 6: up that way. And, you know, and the judge wouldn't
[1:13:51] Speaker 6: even make eye contact with me. And obviously everyone knows
[1:13:54] Speaker 6: the story. She sentenced him two to four years. I
[1:13:57] Speaker 6: looked at Meek and his mom and I said, I'm
[1:13:59] Speaker 6: not stopping until I get you out of prison, which
[1:14:01] Speaker 6: by the way, I had no idea how hard it
[1:14:02] Speaker 6: was to get a black person out of prison for
[1:14:04] Speaker 6: not doing anything.
[1:14:04] Speaker 10: Man, is that shit more complicated than I thought.
[1:14:07] Speaker 6: So, you know, we spent the next five and a
[1:14:10] Speaker 6: half months between Jay-Z and Roc Nation, Desiree Perez and
[1:14:13] Speaker 6: myself working to get him out of prison. And there
[1:14:16] Speaker 6: was something that happened right at the end where the
[1:14:18] Speaker 6: current governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, who was the then
[1:14:22] Speaker 6: attorney general, said to me, Michael, this can't be about
[1:14:25] Speaker 6: your rich, famous friend Meek Mill. This needs to be
[1:14:28] Speaker 6: about the everyday Meek Mills. You've got to do something
[1:14:30] Speaker 6: about this. And that's when it's just like. my entrepreneurial
[1:14:33] Speaker 6: instincts kicked in.
[1:14:33] Speaker 10: I said, you're right.
[1:14:35] Speaker 6: These probation laws and parole laws are completely fucked. They're
[1:14:38] Speaker 6: entrapping people in the system. Like we got to fix that.
[1:14:41] Speaker 6: We can't go person by person. We need to fix
[1:14:43] Speaker 6: the underlying laws. And so, you know, I went to
[1:14:46] Speaker 6: Jay and the Meek and the Robert and we said like, Hey,
[1:14:49] Speaker 6: we got to start a criminal justice organization to fix
[1:14:51] Speaker 6: the probation pro laws. And we started that in 2000
[1:14:54] Speaker 6: and early 2019. And we basically funded most of it
[1:14:56] Speaker 6: ourselves and, from the board members.
[1:15:02] Speaker 10: And we've now.
[1:15:03] Speaker 6: Got 850,000 people either out or on a pathway out
[1:15:08] Speaker 6: of probation and parole that would have still been stuck
[1:15:11] Speaker 6: in the system if we not changed the laws. Like
[1:15:13] Speaker 6: the example is, you know, In California, there used to be,
[1:15:17] Speaker 6: you know, not limits. Take Pennsylvania, there weren't limits on
[1:15:20] Speaker 6: how long you'd be on probation and parole. So a
[1:15:22] Speaker 6: guy like Meek had already been on probation for 10 years,
[1:15:25] Speaker 6: and he had like another 10 or 12 years left.
[1:15:27] Speaker 6: And that means you get a speeding ticket. They can
[1:15:29] Speaker 6: put you in jail. You pop a wheel on a motorcycle,
[1:15:31] Speaker 6: they can put you in jail. And it was trapping
[1:15:33] Speaker 6: him in the system. So now we're putting, you know,
[1:15:35] Speaker 6: caps on how long you can be on probation and parole.
[1:15:37] Speaker 6: It's now one year for a misdemeanor and two years
[1:15:40] Speaker 6: for a felony in prison. California is like an amazing,
[1:15:43] Speaker 6: you know, innovation in the law and it keeps communities
[1:15:46] Speaker 6: safer because if you put someone in prison that shouldn't
[1:15:48] Speaker 6: be in prison, you're actually hurting, you're making the community
[1:15:51] Speaker 6: less safe because then bad shit happens.
[1:15:52] Speaker 10: So it's been an honor to have started it. I
[1:15:56] Speaker 10: still spend a lot of time.
[1:15:57] Speaker 6: We're doing this big casino night, which is why I'm
[1:15:59] Speaker 6: not doing the white party this year.
[1:16:02] Speaker 10: In September.
[1:16:03] Speaker 6: And like, it's, you know, I'm kind of blown away
[1:16:06] Speaker 6: by the progress we've had so far. And I think
[1:16:08] Speaker 6: we're just getting started. So that's kind of the background
[1:16:10] Speaker 6: of how we got into it.
[1:16:12] Speaker 2: Well, Michael, we appreciate you. Did you say 850,000 people?
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: 850,000 people on probation and on parole.
[1:16:22] Speaker 6: That today are either out or on a pathway to
[1:16:25] Speaker 6: be out because the laws that we've changed, we've changed
[1:16:27] Speaker 6: 20 bills in, I think it's 12 states, it might
[1:16:32] Speaker 6: be 11 states, either 11 or 12 states, we've changed
[1:16:33] Speaker 6: 20 bills and we're fixing the underlying system. And it's like,
[1:16:37] Speaker 6: it's amazing because there's so much stupidity. And I'm sure
[1:16:40] Speaker 6: you guys have friends that have been affected by this.
[1:16:42] Speaker 6: You have, you know, like, look, there is a law
[1:16:44] Speaker 6: that says, If you're on probation, you can't be around
[1:16:48] Speaker 6: somebody who has a felony conviction. Well, if you grow
[1:16:51] Speaker 6: up in an underprivileged area, how many people do you
[1:16:53] Speaker 6: know in your community that have a conviction for a felony?
[1:16:57] Speaker 6: Probably a lot of people, okay? So it's like, they
[1:17:00] Speaker 6: can put you in prison or jail for anything.
[1:17:03] Speaker 3: And so.
[1:17:03] Speaker 10: Changing the laws.
[1:17:05] Speaker 6: And getting the stupidity out of the system has been... Honestly,
[1:17:09] Speaker 6: it just took a business person, an entrepreneur to say,
[1:17:11] Speaker 6: I'm not accepting this stupid shit.
[1:17:14] Speaker 10: That's what we've done. We've made a ton of progress.
[1:17:16] Speaker 10: We've got a great organization.
[1:17:17] Speaker 6: We've got 60 or 70 full-time people led by Jessica Jackson.
[1:17:20] Speaker 10: We've got a great board. We're unrelenting on this. She's great.
[1:17:24] Speaker 6: The team's great. Jay's great. The board members are great.
[1:17:28] Speaker 6: 850,000 people so far. I'll tell you the greatest story.
[1:17:32] Speaker 6: When we came up with the idea, someone said, I
[1:17:34] Speaker 6: said you needed a pneumatical goal to come up with
[1:17:35] Speaker 6: how many people were going to get out of the system.
[1:17:38] Speaker 6: And somebody who I don't want to throw under the bus,
[1:17:40] Speaker 6: who's very well known, who I have a ton of
[1:17:42] Speaker 6: respect for, said 10,000 people is the right number. I'm like, 10,000?
[1:17:47] Speaker 6: I'm like, there's four and a half million people on
[1:17:48] Speaker 6: probation and parole. There should probably be a million and
[1:17:50] Speaker 6: a half or two million people. So we should probably
[1:17:52] Speaker 6: get two and a half or three million people out
[1:17:53] Speaker 6: of the system. They said 10,000, you'll definitely hit the goal.
[1:17:56] Speaker 6: I'm like, fuck that, a million. They said, you're never
[1:17:58] Speaker 6: going to hit the goal. I'm like, great, we'll die trying,
[1:18:01] Speaker 6: who cares? And so we just made up, we went
[1:18:03] Speaker 6: like this, like put the million number out and that's
[1:18:06] Speaker 6: how we came out with it. And there was no
[1:18:08] Speaker 6: thought other than there's two and a half, three million
[1:18:09] Speaker 6: people that should be in the system now.
[1:18:11] Speaker 10: In the system.
[1:18:12] Speaker 6: So we came up with that big bold goal and
[1:18:13] Speaker 6: we've got 850,000 so far.
[1:18:15] Speaker 10: So it just tells you, you know, you just got
[1:18:17] Speaker 10: to go for it.
[1:18:17] Speaker 6: No different than Fanatics Fest or Reform. We're just like,
[1:18:20] Speaker 6: I'm very good at going for shit and I fail
[1:18:22] Speaker 6: many times and I don't really give a shit. And
[1:18:24] Speaker 6: a lot of times, you know, we accomplish pretty bold
[1:18:26] Speaker 6: things that no one would have ever tried for.
[1:18:27] Speaker 10: But it's, we're proud of the work we've done so far.
[1:18:29] Speaker 10: A lot more to do.
[1:18:31] Speaker 4: So Mike, I have a question.
[1:18:33] Speaker 7: If you don't go to court with Meek, is your
[1:18:36] Speaker 7: perspective different?
[1:18:39] Speaker 10: Not like 99% different.
[1:18:40] Speaker 6: 100% different. I would have never believed all the things
[1:18:45] Speaker 6: he said to me over the years. Next time you
[1:18:47] Speaker 6: see me, just ask him, what are all the things
[1:18:49] Speaker 6: you've to Rube between 2014 and 2017? He'd tell me
[1:18:55] Speaker 6: all these crazy stories, like the judge is crazy. She
[1:18:59] Speaker 6: asked me and Nikki to write her into a song.
[1:19:03] Speaker 10: It almost sounds like it's out of a you know,
[1:19:07] Speaker 10: a movie that can't be true.
[1:19:08] Speaker 6: So like, I'd say he told me all these things,
[1:19:10] Speaker 6: but I think I either didn't believe it because it
[1:19:13] Speaker 6: seemed so unbelievable, or I didn't hear him and compute it.
[1:19:16] Speaker 6: And so had I not gone to court that day,
[1:19:19] Speaker 6: would I have given him money to help? Absolutely, as
[1:19:22] Speaker 6: in the charity. Would I have said, like, hey, I'll
[1:19:23] Speaker 6: help people with this issue because it's important to him?
[1:19:25] Speaker 6: I would have financially supported her. I would have never
[1:19:27] Speaker 6: spent one second. That changed my life. Being in that courtroom,
[1:19:31] Speaker 6: seeing that witch of a judge, and she was a witch, okay?
[1:19:35] Speaker 6: Janice Brinkley sentenced him to two to four years for
[1:19:38] Speaker 6: popping and rolling on a motorcycle. She had no regard
[1:19:40] Speaker 6: for his life, for his family's life.
[1:19:43] Speaker 10: How about this? A guy who his kid lived in
[1:19:45] Speaker 10: New Jersey, 10 minutes from where he lived. I listened
[1:19:47] Speaker 10: to him one time. He called the probation officer. He said, hey...
[1:19:52] Speaker 10: would I be allowed to.
[1:19:52] Speaker 6: Go pick my kid up from school in New Jersey?
[1:19:55] Speaker 6: She's like, if you go there, I'll put you in jail.
[1:19:57] Speaker 6: Don't you dare leave.
[1:19:58] Speaker 10: She's flipping out. I heard the call myself.
[1:20:00] Speaker 6: So, you know, the reality is, had I not been
[1:20:04] Speaker 6: in that courtroom, had I not seen this stuff firsthand,
[1:20:06] Speaker 6: I would have believed none of it. I would have
[1:20:08] Speaker 6: believed that 99% of people who were in prison were
[1:20:12] Speaker 6: or jail where we're there for the right reasons, what
[1:20:14] Speaker 6: you learn there is, look, the government wins 95% of
[1:20:19] Speaker 6: the cases and people don't have the resources to fight them.
[1:20:22] Speaker 10: So, you know, are there a lot of people in
[1:20:25] Speaker 10: jail and prison who belong to be there? Absolutely. When
[1:20:27] Speaker 10: someone commits a real crime, do I believe they should
[1:20:29] Speaker 10: be in jail?
[1:20:30] Speaker 3: Absolutely. Or prison? Absolutely.
[1:20:32] Speaker 6: But do I believe that we want to help rehabilitate
[1:20:34] Speaker 6: people and that we shouldn't trap people in a probation
[1:20:37] Speaker 6: process and that just puts people back in jail and
[1:20:39] Speaker 6: prison and shouldn't be? 20, I'll give you the craziest number. 25%
[1:20:43] Speaker 6: of people that go to prison or jail each year
[1:20:46] Speaker 6: is because of technical probation or parole violation. They didn't
[1:20:50] Speaker 6: commit a crime. That makes zero sense. There's no logic
[1:20:53] Speaker 6: to it. So yes, Cheryl, I had to see it
[1:20:55] Speaker 6: myself to believe it. And I had not seen it myself,
[1:20:58] Speaker 6: I wouldn't.
[1:20:58] Speaker 10: Have believed shit. No one can explain that. You have
[1:21:02] Speaker 10: to see it with your own two eyes.
[1:21:04] Speaker 2: Well, Michael, we appreciate you. We know you got a
[1:21:06] Speaker 2: lot going on, man.
[1:21:07] Speaker 1: We really appreciate you taking the time out of your
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: schedule to pull up the Gills Arena presented by Underdog
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: Whoop Whoop. And again, as a reminder, Fanatics Fest going
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: down in New York City from June 20th to 22nd
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: at the Jacob Jarvis Convention Center.
[1:21:18] Speaker 3: Sure to get your tickets right now, fanaticsfest.com. 100 push-ups, Mike.
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: Let's go.
[1:21:22] Speaker 2: 100 push-ups on the way. Paces in seven, baby.
[1:21:24] Speaker 10: By the way, you know, your mind should be 50-50.
[1:21:27] Speaker 6: Yours need to be straight because I just feel like
[1:21:29] Speaker 6: you're a much better athletic shooter.
[1:21:31] Speaker 1: I agree.
[1:21:32] Speaker 3: I agree.
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: I agree. And it's on the spot, too. It's on
[1:21:35] Speaker 2: the spot wherever we're at.
[1:21:35] Speaker 10: Let me tell you what happened the last time I
[1:21:37] Speaker 10: made this bet, and we'll close on this.
[1:21:39] Speaker 6: I was sitting next to Gronk at the Tyson-Jake Paul fight,
[1:21:43] Speaker 6: and he said to me, I guarantee you, Mike Tyson's
[1:21:45] Speaker 6: going to win. I said, I love Mike. He's a
[1:21:47] Speaker 6: great guy. I guarantee you Jake Paul's going to win.
[1:21:49] Speaker 6: And we made the bet. It's 30 push-ups, three sets
[1:21:53] Speaker 6: of three.
[1:21:53] Speaker 10: I can call him any time.
[1:21:54] Speaker 6: So I just remember when I see him at Fanatics Fest,
[1:21:56] Speaker 6: he's doing the first 30 on the spot.
[1:21:59] Speaker 10: You're going to see that go viral. That's my first
[1:22:01] Speaker 10: 30 he's going to deliver.
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: Mike, we appreciate you pulling up to Gills Arena, man,
[1:22:06] Speaker 1: and look forward to Fanatics Fest in New York coming
[1:22:08] Speaker 1: up in the next few weeks.
[1:22:09] Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me, guys. Much love.
[1:22:11] Speaker 10: I look forward to seeing you guys live soon.
[1:22:13] Speaker 2: Yes, sir. So we talked about the Knicks earlier. Let's
[1:22:15] Speaker 2: get back into that.
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: So after firing Tom Thibodeau last week, the New York
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: Knicks are in search of a new head coach. Well,
[1:22:20] Speaker 1: yesterday it was reported by ESPN's Brian Windhorst that there
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: is mutual interest between the Knicks and current Mavs head
[1:22:26] Speaker 1: coach Jason Kidd. So in order for this to move forward,
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: the Knicks have to ask the Mavs for approval to
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: interview Kidd, which the Mavs could deny. So it's now
[1:22:34] Speaker 1: being reported by Mark Stein that the Knicks have asked
[1:22:36] Speaker 1: to speak with Kidd and are awaiting an answer from
[1:22:38] Speaker 1: the Mavs. They got the New York Daily News to
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: go with this headline. Kid in play. Shout out to
[1:22:46] Speaker 1: all the house party fans out there. So Kid has
[1:22:49] Speaker 1: a strong relationship with Knicks captain Jalen Brunson from Brunson's
[1:22:52] Speaker 1: days with the Mavs to start his career. Also to
[1:22:54] Speaker 1: be noted that after a finals appearance last season, Kid
[1:22:57] Speaker 1: signed an extension with Dallas that takes him through the
[1:22:59] Speaker 1: 26-27 season. Any move to a different team will require
[1:23:03] Speaker 1: some compensation. Kid was actually dealt from the Nets to
[1:23:06] Speaker 1: the Bucs for two second round picks back in 2014.
[1:23:09] Speaker 2: So this has some precedent.
[1:23:11] Speaker 1: But when you're looking at this situation, should the Mavs
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: let the Knicks interview Jason Kidd for their head coaching position? Yeah,
[1:23:22] Speaker 1: I think so if you're moving into a different direction.
[1:23:24] Speaker 1: I mean, you already let Luka go. So you think
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: Mavs say, hey, Mike, if you don't want to be here,
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: you can go out and explore?
[1:23:28] Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's just an interview. But, I mean,
[1:23:32] Speaker 9: who knows what the future is with the Mavericks. I mean,
[1:23:34] Speaker 9: it's going to be a lot of pressure on AD
[1:23:36] Speaker 9: next year anyway. So, I mean, I don't know. You know,
[1:23:40] Speaker 9: you don't have Kyrie. Kyrie's probably going to be out
[1:23:44] Speaker 9: for half the season.
[1:23:45] Speaker 2: So, I mean, yeah.
[1:23:46] Speaker 4: Does Cooper Flagg make a difference in that?
[1:23:50] Speaker 9: Not without Kyrie. I still think you need Kyrie. And
[1:23:58] Speaker 9: I don't even know who Cooper Flagg is going to
[1:23:59] Speaker 9: be yet. So, I haven't seen him play. So, that's
[1:24:02] Speaker 9: a question mark, too.
[1:24:03] Speaker 4: Facts?
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: So, shot, obviously, a Knicks fan for this season. Should
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: the Mavs let the Knicks interview Jason Kidd for their
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: head coaching position?
[1:24:16] Speaker 3: Of course.
[1:24:18] Speaker 2: It's Jason Kidd.
[1:24:20] Speaker 1: So if you're the Mavs, you got Kidd extension through 2027,
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: you'll let him explore some other opportunities and options?
[1:24:27] Speaker 2: Has Jason Kidd did well with coaching bigs?
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:24:32] Speaker 5: So you look at he's a guard coach. He's a
[1:24:33] Speaker 5: point guard. He likes dealing with guards. He was in Milwaukee.
[1:24:37] Speaker 5: Was it a guard heavy?
[1:24:38] Speaker 3: Giannis.
[1:24:40] Speaker 2: Giannis was young, though. Yeah, Giannis, yeah, Chris Middleton.
[1:24:43] Speaker 3: Chris and who was over there? Sessions? No, that was
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: Eric Bledsoe.
[1:24:49] Speaker 2: Bledsoe, right?
[1:24:50] Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, he's used to dealing with guards,
[1:24:52] Speaker 5: and I think that if he goes up and deals
[1:24:54] Speaker 5: with Brunson, it could be, you know, one of those
[1:24:57] Speaker 5: things where you bring Mike Malone down to Dallas and
[1:24:59] Speaker 5: you let Malone deal with AD and you try to,
[1:25:03] Speaker 5: you know, rekindle that.
[1:25:04] Speaker 2: But then you're looking at Cooper.
[1:25:06] Speaker 5: Like, do you have a coach that can– develop a
[1:25:10] Speaker 5: young star into what he's supposed to be. So if
[1:25:13] Speaker 5: you're looking at Dallas, they're looking at him like being
[1:25:15] Speaker 5: Dirk Nowinski. This is a Dirk play. So you would
[1:25:22] Speaker 5: need somebody that can actually bring him into that greatness.
[1:25:25] Speaker 2: Someone has seen it before. I think Mike Malone, probably more.
[1:25:31] Speaker 9: Yo, but, but, but if they do interview Jake here, right. And, um,
[1:25:35] Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know how Giannis and J. Kidd's
[1:25:37] Speaker 9: relationship was. And I know, you know, Giannis is going
[1:25:40] Speaker 9: to be out there in trade talks. If they do
[1:25:42] Speaker 9: get J. Kidd, do you think that would be a possibility, too?
[1:25:46] Speaker 9: I mean, but I don't know their relationship, though.
[1:25:48] Speaker 5: I think years have passed, and Kenya was saying that
[1:25:51] Speaker 5: they put him through the wringer when he was first there.
[1:25:54] Speaker 5: So it's a possibility that it could be a lot
[1:25:57] Speaker 5: of respect because he became what he was putting him through. So,
[1:26:01] Speaker 5: you know, New York is one of those places where...
[1:26:04] Speaker 5: It can be a good thing for Jason Kidd because
[1:26:06] Speaker 5: he played in New York.
[1:26:10] Speaker 2: He understands it. No, for sure. You know, but then again,
[1:26:13] Speaker 2: it's like you got Mark Jackson.
[1:26:14] Speaker 5: So if I had to choose between the two, I'm
[1:26:18] Speaker 5: picking Mark. You're picking Mark Jackson over J.
[1:26:21] Speaker 2: Kidd?
[1:26:21] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: But let's look at this from the Mavs standpoint. Obviously,
[1:26:24] Speaker 1: you feel like you've got your coach to at least
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: take you to the next future, next couple years. Made
[1:26:28] Speaker 1: the finals last season. Now you got the Knicks coming
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: through asking.
[1:26:32] Speaker 3: If they can holler. And you just going to be
[1:26:36] Speaker 3: cool with that?
[1:26:37] Speaker 2: As a team? As the Mavs in this situation. The
[1:26:42] Speaker 2: Mavs didn't hire Jason Kidd. But he is their head
[1:26:46] Speaker 2: coach that gave him an extension. But he didn't hire him.
[1:26:49] Speaker 2: That was all Mark Cuban.
[1:26:52] Speaker 3: So that's the conversation. I mean, so they don't have
[1:26:55] Speaker 3: any loyalty to him, just like they didn't have any
[1:26:57] Speaker 3: loyalty to Luca. Just like any new business man that
[1:27:01] Speaker 3: comes in, He wipes shop. And within the next two,
[1:27:05] Speaker 3: three years, all of Mark Cuban's people will be removed
[1:27:08] Speaker 3: from the organization. That's how it works. It's worked in
[1:27:12] Speaker 3: every business. Like this is how your team functioned when
[1:27:15] Speaker 3: you had them. This is my team. I got to
[1:27:18] Speaker 3: see everything that's going on. So all these people are
[1:27:20] Speaker 3: in place still. And then eventually they'll start being removed
[1:27:24] Speaker 3: for his friends and family and the people that trust him.
[1:27:29] Speaker 3: And the people that are going to report directly to him.
[1:27:32] Speaker 3: Right at this moment in time, all these are moles
[1:27:36] Speaker 3: to Mark Cuban. So if you're a Jason kid, you
[1:27:43] Speaker 3: really have to consider taking a job because... Unless you
[1:27:49] Speaker 3: believe you will be there when your contract is up.
[1:27:51] Speaker 3: If you don't think you're going to be there when
[1:27:53] Speaker 3: your contract is up, you might as well try to
[1:27:56] Speaker 3: take a job now and secure that job because they're
[1:28:00] Speaker 3: hiring you. This one is you got one, two years,
[1:28:03] Speaker 3: then you probably won't have any more years in the league. So,
[1:28:07] Speaker 3: you know, this is now. do what's best for you.
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: This has nothing to do with we're going to win
[1:28:15] Speaker 3: a championship. You can win a championship, but your ass
[1:28:16] Speaker 3: is going to be out of there because whatever they
[1:28:18] Speaker 3: got in plan is already in plan.
[1:28:20] Speaker 2: You're not my guy.
[1:28:22] Speaker 5: The Mike Malone energy that they got when they basically
[1:28:25] Speaker 5: was like, Mike, we was going to get rid of
[1:28:26] Speaker 5: you whether you won or not.
[1:28:29] Speaker 2: You talk about J.
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: Kidd, not necessarily a fan of the Luka trade. We
[1:28:32] Speaker 1: saw his response in that press conference afterwards, blindsided.
[1:28:35] Speaker 2: Just like everybody else was. So, good to your point.
[1:28:38] Speaker 1: You've got Mark Cuban, guys, but if you're a smart businessman,
[1:28:41] Speaker 1: you saw how Cuban built up that franchise, right?
[1:28:44] Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to utilize some of that?
[1:28:46] Speaker 3: Has it ever worked in any business?
[1:28:49] Speaker 2: No.
[1:28:50] Speaker 3: That's what I said with the Bucs.
[1:28:51] Speaker 2: When the Bucs won it, it was under a different owner.
[1:28:53] Speaker 2: Now it's a new owner.
[1:28:54] Speaker 1: The next owner up is going to try to I
[1:28:56] Speaker 1: could do it better.
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: Put my imprint on it and say, well, this is
[1:28:59] Speaker 2: a Cuban guy.
[1:29:00] Speaker 3: Watch it now. I'm the man.
[1:29:04] Speaker 1: King Kong does not have anything on me.
[1:29:08] Speaker 3: Any new business, man, they got their way of doing things.
[1:29:13] Speaker 5: When you're buying another company, you have to literally strip
[1:29:17] Speaker 5: it down and redesign it to what you like.
[1:29:20] Speaker 3: You keep what you like and you get rid of
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: what you don't want.
[1:29:23] Speaker 2: Absolutely. I like the floor. It was nice. Marble. Everything
[1:29:27] Speaker 2: else can go.
[1:29:28] Speaker 9: It's like when a new coach come in every time.
[1:29:30] Speaker 9: He's not going to have the same three assistant coaches.
[1:29:31] Speaker 3: I don't know them.
[1:29:32] Speaker 2: Even the trainer nigga, man. Listen, I don't like the
[1:29:35] Speaker 2: way you stretching my.
[1:29:37] Speaker 3: Nigga. That shit ain't even working, bro. No, that's facts.
[1:29:43] Speaker 2: I don't like it.
[1:29:46] Speaker 1: You talk about this Mavs organization not afraid to make
[1:29:49] Speaker 1: what many would think are crazy moves in trading Lucas.
[1:29:52] Speaker 1: So historically, anytime these coach trades go down, it's for
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: second round picks.
[1:29:56] Speaker 2: Exception, Doc Rivers.
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: When he went to the Clippers, I believe the Celtics
[1:29:59] Speaker 1: got a first round pick.
[1:30:02] Speaker 2: Wait, what?
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: When Doc Rivers, I believe, went to the Clippers, the
[1:30:05] Speaker 1: Celtics got a first-round pick in exchange for his services.
[1:30:08] Speaker 2: Oh, for his services.
[1:30:09] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:30:10] Speaker 2: Wait, so you can trade picks for a coach?
[1:30:12] Speaker 1: When a coach is under contract, there's compensation that's involved. Oh,
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: so they usually do cash considerations? The second-round picks usually
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: are given.
[1:30:20] Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
[1:30:20] Speaker 1: So the Knicks, but now the Mavs are in a
[1:30:22] Speaker 1: position of leverage, right? We know you want our guy.
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: We got him under contract.
[1:30:26] Speaker 3: For a coach?
[1:30:27] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:30:27] Speaker 5: Yeah, you can trade coaches.
[1:30:30] Speaker 2: To leverage the contract. No, it's the contract. He's saying.
[1:30:33] Speaker 3: He's under contract.
[1:30:35] Speaker 2: Under contract.
[1:30:35] Speaker 3: That money's there. Just like a player.
[1:30:37] Speaker 5: Oh, because the coaches are getting paid.
[1:30:39] Speaker 2: That's the money on the contract.
[1:30:41] Speaker 3: You can't just take it.
[1:30:43] Speaker 2: But that's not money on a salary cap.
[1:30:44] Speaker 3: That's books.
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: But you can't just take our guy. We got him
[1:30:47] Speaker 1: under contract. You got to break bread and give.
[1:30:49] Speaker 2: Us something for the coach. But I'm giving you a
[1:30:55] Speaker 2: future pick. Sometimes more than once. For a coach? If
[1:30:59] Speaker 2: he's a good coach.
[1:31:00] Speaker 3: That's crazy. It makes sense.
[1:31:02] Speaker 2: This has been going on for a while. If they
[1:31:04] Speaker 2: really want the coach, they're going to try to do
[1:31:06] Speaker 2: some dumb shit. So when J.K.
[1:31:08] Speaker 1: With the Nets went to the Bucs, they got two
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: second-round picks.
[1:31:11] Speaker 2: That's crazy. Who did he come? We will look that
[1:31:14] Speaker 2: up for you. Nets and the Bucs. He was with
[1:31:16] Speaker 2: the Nets.
[1:31:17] Speaker 3: Who was the Bucs pick that came in for J.K.
[1:31:23] Speaker 2: That was Matt Connaughton? Pat Connaughton.
[1:31:27] Speaker 3: And who else?
[1:31:30] Speaker 2: I don't know. For Jason Kidd?
[1:31:33] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:31:33] Speaker 4: That's insane.
[1:31:35] Speaker 3: That's insane.
[1:31:37] Speaker 2: That sounds crazy.
[1:31:39] Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll take him for them. Yeah, just give me
[1:31:41] Speaker 5: the guy that ain't going to play.
[1:31:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to cut him.
[1:31:44] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:31:45] Speaker 3: Sheesh. All right.
[1:31:49] Speaker 5: Shake shit up a little bit. Now, remember I said
[1:31:51] Speaker 5: motherfuckers can go. Back in the day.
[1:31:54] Speaker 1: Nick's got a million dollars in a first round pick
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: for Pat Riley to go to the Heat.
[1:31:58] Speaker 2: And who did that turn into?
[1:31:59] Speaker 3: Maybe you. Wow. That's crazy.
[1:32:04] Speaker 2: Dave Kerr, man, package that nigga already.
[1:32:07] Speaker 3: Man, why y'all still got him over there? Get him
[1:32:10] Speaker 3: out of here. Man, package deal. So is there any
[1:32:15] Speaker 3: limits of... Know what I'm saying? Is there any, like,
[1:32:18] Speaker 3: let's say a future lottery pick?
[1:32:21] Speaker 2: Can they do that?
[1:32:22] Speaker 1: I mean, a first-round pick, I don't know if they
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: can put protections in place, but that's generally how these
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: things work, right?
[1:32:26] Speaker 3: Boston.
[1:32:27] Speaker 1: You get second-round picks, or like in Doc Rivers' case,
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: it was a first-round pick that was exchanged. Pat Riley's case,
[1:32:32] Speaker 1: same thing. A million dollars, and take this first-round pick.
[1:32:36] Speaker 3: Okay. That's insane.
[1:32:38] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:32:39] Speaker 4: Did not know that.
[1:32:42] Speaker 2: Ah, from Butler. Was it Georgia?
[1:32:45] Speaker 3: Butler.
[1:32:45] Speaker 2: Georgia State or? Georgia, was it something like that?
[1:32:48] Speaker 3: Georgia State, yeah.
[1:32:49] Speaker 2: Let me double check. The kid and his dad was
[1:32:52] Speaker 2: the coach.
[1:32:52] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken.
[1:32:55] Speaker 2: Let me double check.
[1:32:56] Speaker 3: Okay. Coach is on the chopping block. I'm thinking I
[1:33:00] Speaker 3: got to go on with Ted, you know, to see
[1:33:05] Speaker 3: where his future is and really.
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: Especially we talked about Mike Malone being, you know, his
[1:33:13] Speaker 1: roots and his connection to New York being an option
[1:33:15] Speaker 1: for the Knicks, but.
[1:33:16] Speaker 3: He is available now, so.
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: I'm saying, could you see the Mavs pulling some shenanigans
[1:33:21] Speaker 1: and being like, all right, we'll trade Kidd.
[1:33:24] Speaker 2: Or buy him alone.
[1:33:25] Speaker 3: Straight up trade. Not even a trade.
[1:33:29] Speaker 2: They're about to do a coast for coast trade. Sign
[1:33:31] Speaker 2: and trade. Trade the coach, then get a player, and
[1:33:34] Speaker 2: then sign Mike as a free agent. Yeah, sign him
[1:33:36] Speaker 2: as the best available free agent. Best available, man. Got
[1:33:41] Speaker 2: that man off the chopping block. Little Quint Dickey, man.
[1:33:45] Speaker 2: They got the best free agents down there.
[1:33:48] Speaker 4: Shit.
[1:33:49] Speaker 2: I like Mike Malone-Dallas, though.
[1:33:51] Speaker 3: Me, too.
[1:33:51] Speaker 2: Got a big.
[1:33:52] Speaker 3: Got two big. Playoff, hey, him and Joker.
[1:33:55] Speaker 2: I don't know how he going to get Cat.
[1:33:58] Speaker 3: Nah.
[1:33:58] Speaker 5: Like I said, they're going to have to change some
[1:34:01] Speaker 5: things up there.
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: And do you guys think Jason Kidd would be a
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: good fit for the Knicks as their head coach? Got
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: a relationship with Jalen Brunson already?
[1:34:12] Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. He's a point guard.
[1:34:18] Speaker 3: He's a point guard coach.
[1:34:21] Speaker 2: Well, you got to get somebody in there that Rick
[1:34:22] Speaker 2: respect because his dad. You ain't going to listen to Rick.
[1:34:29] Speaker 2: It's going to be some shit.
[1:34:31] Speaker 3: Shit.
[1:34:32] Speaker 2: Well, will Rick be on that front row?
[1:34:34] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:34:34] Speaker 3: He's going to be on the front row.
[1:34:36] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[1:34:36] Speaker 3: That's why J.Kid.
[1:34:37] Speaker 5: If he already got a rapport with J.Kid, they done
[1:34:39] Speaker 5: had the conversation. We need J.Kid.
[1:34:42] Speaker 3: I don't even know why they even beating around the
[1:34:44] Speaker 3: bush to go get a coach.
[1:34:45] Speaker 2: Listen. Brunson Sr.
[1:34:50] Speaker 3: Is the coach. Rick is the coach. His son took
[1:34:55] Speaker 3: what kind of pay cut for this franchise? What's the
[1:34:59] Speaker 3: point of even having a regular coach come in? Just
[1:35:04] Speaker 3: hire him and just, you know what I mean? You
[1:35:06] Speaker 3: done paid for it with having Brunson Jr. take that
[1:35:10] Speaker 3: big-ass pay cut. That's where you won. Yes. You won
[1:35:13] Speaker 3: so much money in him signing. His dad convinced him,
[1:35:17] Speaker 3: this is what you might as well do and see
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: if you can get the job done. Because all that's
[1:35:22] Speaker 3: going to happen is you bring somebody in, it's going
[1:35:24] Speaker 3: to be undermining in any way.
[1:35:27] Speaker 2: They keep their control.
[1:35:28] Speaker 4: They say there are some players, though, that don't like Brinson.
[1:35:32] Speaker 2: Like Rick. Yeah, some of those guys that's not playing.
[1:35:36] Speaker 4: The ones that aren't playing.
[1:35:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, or not getting the ball as much. But that's
[1:35:41] Speaker 2: a team thing, right?
[1:35:42] Speaker 9: You think that's a decision they're going to have to
[1:35:44] Speaker 9: make then?
[1:35:45] Speaker 5: It depends on who's complaining. Who do players that's complaining
[1:35:50] Speaker 5: about having Rick do it too much? Who do you think, though?
[1:35:53] Speaker 5: 200 million saved? I don't give a fuck who's talking.
[1:35:56] Speaker 5: It don't matter who's saying what. He took a play cut.
[1:36:00] Speaker 3: Right. You can go. And what you doing? Who is complaining?
[1:36:05] Speaker 3: Are you putting up 30? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
[1:36:10] Speaker 2: Better buckle up. I'll tell you when we get there.
[1:36:14] Speaker 3: Did your kid and Rick play together?
[1:36:17] Speaker 2: I don't think so. Rick played for New York.
[1:36:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, he played for New York.
[1:36:21] Speaker 2: He played for New York.
[1:36:22] Speaker 3: He played with John.
[1:36:23] Speaker 2: He was on the.
[1:36:24] Speaker 1: Last ECF team, if I'm not mistaken.
[1:36:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, 99-2000.
[1:36:28] Speaker 1: It's pretty well in there.
[1:36:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, 99-2000.
[1:36:32] Speaker 2: Then 2001 as well.
[1:36:33] Speaker 3: So they never crossed paths?
[1:36:34] Speaker 2: I do not think so.
[1:36:36] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:36:39] Speaker 2: All right. We'll figure it out. I hope they give
[1:36:41] Speaker 2: Mark Jackson a chance, though. A chance.
[1:36:45] Speaker 3: Just somewhere?
[1:36:45] Speaker 2: Well, just to be in a coaching hunt.
[1:36:47] Speaker 3: Somewhere.
[1:36:48] Speaker 5: If you put him in a coaching hunt, somebody else
[1:36:50] Speaker 5: would be like, well, he's up. Y'all considering him?
[1:36:52] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:36:53] Speaker 5: You know, let him go do some interviews. I don't
[1:36:56] Speaker 5: even know if he would still want to do it.
[1:36:57] Speaker 5: Where would you like to see him, though? Like, what team?
[1:36:59] Speaker 2: He doesn't even have an assistant coach either, so that's weird.
[1:37:01] Speaker 3: He's been out for a minute.
[1:37:03] Speaker 2: I know.
[1:37:04] Speaker 7: He should get a chance.
[1:37:07] Speaker 2: Nah, I mean, if it's Yeah, Brooklyn.
[1:37:10] Speaker 3: It's a start.
[1:37:12] Speaker 2: Go somewhere where you can start a fresh start.
[1:37:16] Speaker 5: Bring in your system and your mind into what you
[1:37:19] Speaker 5: want these kids to show that basketball is all about.
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: Just give them opportunity, shit. So we asked the chat,
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: should the Knicks hire Jason Kidd? 66% of the chat
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: says yes. We do have a lot of Knicks fans
[1:37:31] Speaker 1: in this chat.
[1:37:32] Speaker 2: Do we? They'd be supportive. People on the East Coast,
[1:37:34] Speaker 2: they ain't doing shit right now. It's 418th.
[1:37:37] Speaker 5: Motherfuckers wasn't Knicks fans when I was a Boston fan.
[1:37:40] Speaker 5: It was all Lakers. Now we switch over.
[1:37:45] Speaker 3: It's Knicks. I like it.
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[1:38:44] Speaker 1: So we talked NBA finals yesterday. We're going to keep
[1:38:47] Speaker 1: the conversation going. Going today, game three, slated for Wednesday
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: in Indiana. Let's talk a little bit about some key
[1:38:54] Speaker 1: role players on the Thunder side. So Alex Caruso, been
[1:38:57] Speaker 1: an important piece for the Thunder during their playoff run.
[1:38:59] Speaker 1: Caruso didn't score 20 points in a game all season,
[1:39:02] Speaker 1: has done so twice in the playoffs, including the Thunder's
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: game to win. Through two games in the finals, Caruso's
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: averaging 16 points and five rebounds in nearly 28 minutes
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: per game. So after OKC's game to win, Chet Holmgren
[1:39:14] Speaker 1: had high praise for what the 30-year-old vet brings to
[1:39:17] Speaker 1: this Thunder squad.
[1:39:19] Speaker 5: Chet, how would you explain or describe Caruso's energy levels
[1:39:23] Speaker 5: for a 30-year-old man?
[1:39:28] Speaker 12: Don't disrespect our goat like that, man. He's one of
[1:39:35] Speaker 12: those guys who you know is going to bring it
[1:39:36] Speaker 12: every single night, whether he's 22 or 30. It doesn't matter.
[1:39:40] Speaker 12: He's going to bring it, and I feel like as
[1:39:44] Speaker 12: a collective, we really feed off of that, and then
[1:39:46] Speaker 12: also his ability to kind of process things that are
[1:39:50] Speaker 12: happening out there and relay it and communicate it to
[1:39:53] Speaker 12: everybody else is really important for us. Hopefully that doesn't
[1:40:02] Speaker 12: fade away as the years go on.
[1:40:07] Speaker 2: Caruso only 30 years old.
[1:40:08] Speaker 3: Shout out, Chet.
[1:40:09] Speaker 1: As a reminder, he likes Jamaican food. Do with that
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: information what you will. But talking about Caruso, 30 years old,
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: won a championship with the Lakers in what many consider
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: to be the hardest championship in NBA history in the
[1:40:19] Speaker 1: bubble back in 2020. Made an all-defensive team when he
[1:40:22] Speaker 1: was with the Bulls, was traded for Josh Giddey, obviously.
[1:40:26] Speaker 1: So how important has Caruso been on both sides of
[1:40:29] Speaker 1: the ball for the Thunder this postseason, Mr. B?
[1:40:33] Speaker 2: He's been very important.
[1:40:34] Speaker 9: The fact that, like you said, his experience of winning
[1:40:36] Speaker 9: with the Lakers in 2020. And, you know, I think
[1:40:40] Speaker 9: he does all the little things, you know, for the
[1:40:43] Speaker 9: team that other guys don't do. So, you know, him
[1:40:46] Speaker 9: being able to contain, you know, Siakam in his first
[1:40:48] Speaker 9: two games has been definitely a big difference. I know
[1:40:51] Speaker 9: it's 1-1 now, but if he can, you know, find
[1:40:55] Speaker 9: a way to just keep him contained, yeah, man, Caruso,
[1:40:58] Speaker 9: he could be playing until, well... Not finals MVP, but
[1:41:02] Speaker 9: he's definitely going to be a big part of this,
[1:41:06] Speaker 9: just like he was with the Lakers. It just seems
[1:41:08] Speaker 9: like certain guys that play with Braun when they win
[1:41:10] Speaker 9: a championship, they go off to him, KCP, those role
[1:41:14] Speaker 9: players around.
[1:41:15] Speaker 2: Whatever they learn from him, it seems like they take
[1:41:17] Speaker 2: it with them. Championship pedigree, if you will. It rubs
[1:41:20] Speaker 2: off on them.
[1:41:21] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:41:22] Speaker 2: So let's move to this side of the couch.
[1:41:23] Speaker 1: Cheryl, when you look at Alex Caruso, obviously not the
[1:41:26] Speaker 1: biggest name in this finals, but been a very integral
[1:41:29] Speaker 1: part of what the Thunder have been able to do,
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: helping them even the series, came through with a 20-piece
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: in game two.
[1:41:33] Speaker 3: So this is.
[1:41:34] Speaker 1: An impact and contribution to the Thunders during this playoff run.
[1:41:38] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think role players are important, and especially... well at.
[1:41:43] Speaker 7: Home, but especially on the road, if he's able to
[1:41:46] Speaker 7: continue to do the things in Indiana that he's done
[1:41:49] Speaker 7: in the first two games. Um, I agree with Brandon.
[1:41:52] Speaker 7: I think, I think he's a huge part. He will
[1:41:56] Speaker 7: be a huge part of OKC being able to win
[1:42:01] Speaker 7: it all. And regardless of the age, I just, I
[1:42:05] Speaker 7: think there are things that, that he brings that you
[1:42:07] Speaker 7: can't teach. Um, Just the effort, every single possession, he's
[1:42:12] Speaker 7: always ready. It doesn't matter who he's guarding. He steps
[1:42:16] Speaker 7: up to the challenge. I think he's been really big
[1:42:20] Speaker 7: for OKC so far in the finals.
[1:42:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I've talked to Caruso before.
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: You weren't the biggest fan of his championship experience, but
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: only player on the Thunder roster that has a championship.
[1:42:32] Speaker 1: Like I said, made an all defensive team previously. seeing
[1:42:35] Speaker 1: him guard Joker in series early in this playoffs, but
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: just being able to be thrown out there and what he's.
[1:42:41] Speaker 3: Doing on the offensive side.
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: What do you think about Caruso's contributions to the Thunder
[1:42:45] Speaker 1: during this playoff run, especially these last two finals games?
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: I mean, you know, what he learned from being on
[1:42:51] Speaker 3: that Laker team young, right? He's done, you know, changed
[1:42:56] Speaker 3: his game. He shoots better. He back doors. Like he
[1:42:59] Speaker 3: does a lot of things that he's learned over the years, right? Right.
[1:43:04] Speaker 3: You know, you can yell out championship experience, but it's
[1:43:07] Speaker 3: just basketball experience. Knowledge. Right. You know, when we had him,
[1:43:12] Speaker 3: you know, corner guy who couldn't shoot, you know, hustled.
[1:43:17] Speaker 3: He's gotten better on a shot. Defense turned up. Just
[1:43:21] Speaker 3: he's just a wiser player now. Right.
[1:43:26] Speaker 2: The experience that he's bringing is his experience.
[1:43:30] Speaker 3: He went over to Chicago. He was a different player
[1:43:33] Speaker 3: than we had here in the Lakers. He looked better
[1:43:36] Speaker 3: over there.
[1:43:37] Speaker 2: He did.
[1:43:37] Speaker 3: So that was a very, very smart trade for them because.
[1:43:42] Speaker 13: He's impacting this team to win a championship. He's just
[1:43:48] Speaker 13: not a guy on a court that's here and there
[1:43:50] Speaker 13: playing minutes. He's impacting the game.
[1:43:52] Speaker 3: He is a reason that if they do win a championship,
[1:43:56] Speaker 3: he is a reason for that championship. Right? You know,
[1:43:59] Speaker 3: scoring 20 points or, you know, scoring five. He's impactful,
[1:44:03] Speaker 3: you know, on the floor. He's done an amazing job.
[1:44:09] Speaker 1: We're talking about Alex Caruso, his impact with the Thunder
[1:44:13] Speaker 1: so far, averaging close to 16 points per game through
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: these two NBA Finals games coming off the 20-piece in
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: Game 2.
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: Let's spray it down.
[1:44:24] Speaker 2: What's the question?
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: What do you think about Caruso's impact on the Thunder
[1:44:30] Speaker 1: during this playoff run, especially in the NBA finals?
[1:44:33] Speaker 5: Well, it's obvious that Mr. Intangible should get enough credit
[1:44:38] Speaker 5: that he's been discredited for.
[1:44:40] Speaker 2: You know, we talk about pedigree. You talk about experience.
[1:44:45] Speaker 5: You talk about young players trying to figure out where
[1:44:47] Speaker 5: to get experience and wisdom from, and you go to Caruso.
[1:44:50] Speaker 2: Caruso is a guy who's going to tell you.
[1:44:53] Speaker 5: Look, man, you got to go here, you got to
[1:44:54] Speaker 5: prepare here and do this, right? But he's also going
[1:44:57] Speaker 5: to go out there and show you. And I think
[1:44:59] Speaker 5: that's the number one thing for them is to see
[1:45:01] Speaker 5: their vet go out there and show them what we
[1:45:05] Speaker 5: would consider garbage minutes.
[1:45:08] Speaker 3: And show them into valuable time.
[1:45:12] Speaker 5: You're going in for a specific mission to go in
[1:45:14] Speaker 5: and take down Joker.
[1:45:17] Speaker 2: Fuck him up. Embrace that role. It's an intangibles.
[1:45:22] Speaker 5: You see, the Fanatics Fest is not going to be
[1:45:24] Speaker 5: for guys like Caruso. So that's why I'm creating... You know,
[1:45:29] Speaker 5: the corner boy fest for guys like Caruso. The guys
[1:45:33] Speaker 5: that's going to get created, like the Neem Hearts and
[1:45:35] Speaker 5: the Neesmiths. Because that's what the pedigree of a team
[1:45:39] Speaker 5: is built on, the intangibles. The stars are always going
[1:45:42] Speaker 5: to be the star, but you need them corner niggas
[1:45:44] Speaker 5: to make sure the corner cool when you come around
[1:45:45] Speaker 5: the corner.
[1:45:49] Speaker 1: And we talked earlier before the final starter about Thunder
[1:45:53] Speaker 1: Pacers team, but more so even the Thunder, just having
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: the blueprint, the recipe of what a team's supposed to
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: look like. You got an MVP in SGA, got another
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: all-NBA level player in Jalen Williams, got Chet, obviously, who
[1:46:04] Speaker 1: many would consider to be the third option on that team,
[1:46:05] Speaker 1: but got a very, very strong supporting cast. Deep bench,
[1:46:09] Speaker 1: they roll with nine to ten guys throughout this postseason,
[1:46:12] Speaker 1: but having somebody like that at your disposal, again, a
[1:46:15] Speaker 1: player who made an all-defensive team recently, coming off the
[1:46:19] Speaker 1: bench and able to help defensive mantra, top rated defense
[1:46:23] Speaker 1: in the league.
[1:46:23] Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we talked about for a few times
[1:46:25] Speaker 5: that Caruso and Harkinstein, you know, one starts, the other
[1:46:30] Speaker 5: one comes off the bench, plays heavy minutes. You put
[1:46:32] Speaker 5: them at the end of that bench and you say,
[1:46:35] Speaker 5: these are the two guys that we got at the
[1:46:37] Speaker 5: end that can come in and give us something. That's
[1:46:40] Speaker 5: a win-win for you. We're talking about Harkinstein not starting.
[1:46:44] Speaker 5: We're talking about Caruso, the last guy.
[1:46:46] Speaker 3: On the bench.
[1:46:47] Speaker 2: So they have not only just the depth, but they
[1:46:49] Speaker 2: got guys.
[1:46:50] Speaker 5: That's willing to sacrifice and give it up and do
[1:46:52] Speaker 5: what they need to do.
[1:46:54] Speaker 3: Sacrifice and still stay ready.
[1:46:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, and definitely be ready.
[1:46:57] Speaker 5: Isaiah Joe might not see two straight series and come
[1:47:01] Speaker 5: in and hit four for four because the preparation of
[1:47:05] Speaker 5: the leadership, the trickle-down effect, stay ready. You're going to
[1:47:07] Speaker 5: get your shine. You're going to get your credit. Just
[1:47:10] Speaker 5: do the same thing. That's where I think we get
[1:47:12] Speaker 5: into with the league is just the intangibles. And the
[1:47:16] Speaker 5: guys buying in, too. That's rare to see that many,
[1:47:21] Speaker 5: you know, guys.
[1:47:22] Speaker 2: Caruso getting 20 points in the NBA Finals.
[1:47:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:47:28] Speaker 5: That wasn't an expectation. So if that was the game swing,
[1:47:32] Speaker 5: how much did they lose by?
[1:47:33] Speaker 3: 16?
[1:47:33] Speaker 2: 14?
[1:47:33] Speaker 3: 123 to 107.
[1:47:35] Speaker 5: We didn't game plan for Caruso hitting 20.
[1:47:40] Speaker 2: At all.
[1:47:42] Speaker 3: So.
[1:47:42] Speaker 2: But he wasn't proving to all posties that he can...
[1:47:45] Speaker 2: He can knock down those shots. Well, Gil said it.
[1:47:47] Speaker 2: He wasn't doing it when he was with the Lakers.
[1:47:48] Speaker 5: That's one of the things that kept him in rotation
[1:47:51] Speaker 5: because now I've got to hit that shot.
[1:47:52] Speaker 2: I've got to figure out a way to stay on.
[1:47:54] Speaker 3: The floor other than just defense.
[1:47:57] Speaker 1: So, like I said, no 20-point games at all during
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: the regular season. Had two so far in this postseason.
[1:48:02] Speaker 3: That's insane.
[1:48:03] Speaker 1: Including one, obviously, in the NBA Finals.
[1:48:05] Speaker 2: He's stepping it up, right?
[1:48:06] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
[1:48:07] Speaker 2: Stepping up his play.
[1:48:08] Speaker 1: But, you know, like these young guys, I think second
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: youngest team with the potential to win the NBA Finals.
[1:48:15] Speaker 1: having a 30-year-old vet like that, an old man on
[1:48:18] Speaker 1: this roster.
[1:48:20] Speaker 3: Old man?
[1:48:21] Speaker 2: For this roster.
[1:48:22] Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, 30 is old?
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: 30 for this roster, not for the universe.
[1:48:27] Speaker 2: 30 very young spry for the universe.
[1:48:31] Speaker 3: For this roster.
[1:48:33] Speaker 9: This also speaks on finding other ways to get yourself going, too.
[1:48:36] Speaker 9: So that 20-point game is like, It's just going to
[1:48:39] Speaker 9: happen through the flow of basketball because you've been getting
[1:48:41] Speaker 9: yourself going on different other occasions, different ways to score,
[1:48:45] Speaker 9: different ways to.
[1:48:46] Speaker 2: Be involved in the game. So now they're not even
[1:48:48] Speaker 2: looking at you.
[1:48:49] Speaker 3: Now you get that chance.
[1:48:50] Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this shot is it.
[1:48:51] Speaker 3: They're leaving me open.
[1:48:52] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[1:48:52] Speaker 3: I'm out here.
[1:48:53] Speaker 9: So it just speaks on how to find your ways
[1:48:56] Speaker 9: and get yourself going.
[1:48:58] Speaker 7: So your teammates having that confidence in you to knock
[1:49:01] Speaker 7: it down.
[1:49:02] Speaker 3: Yeah. Wiggins, like, come on. Yeah. Wallace.
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: So Alex Caruso, as I mentioned, only former champion on
[1:49:11] Speaker 1: this Thunder roster. As a reminder, he won the championship
[1:49:13] Speaker 1: with the Lakers in 2020 in the bubble. His all-NBA
[1:49:17] Speaker 1: teammate Jalen Williams showed respect to Caruso's championship experience just
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: before the finals began.
[1:49:21] Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
[1:49:24] Speaker 3: It was a big ring, so that was motivation. I
[1:49:27] Speaker 3: think just the message.
[1:49:29] Speaker 14: He had arguably one of the tougher rings, the bubble ring.
[1:49:35] Speaker 14: Just what goes into a season. I think when you
[1:49:38] Speaker 14: look at that one for them to win and have
[1:49:41] Speaker 14: all the ups and downs of that season and still
[1:49:42] Speaker 14: kind of stay focused, I think that's been our biggest
[1:49:45] Speaker 14: thing being able to like block out noise. And, you know,
[1:49:48] Speaker 14: obviously there's a lot of stuff about us being young
[1:49:51] Speaker 14: and I guess too happy or whatever the case may
[1:49:53] Speaker 14: be for like us not being ready to like be
[1:49:55] Speaker 14: on the, be the next level. But I think the
[1:49:59] Speaker 14: biggest thing with him getting the ring was just like
[1:50:01] Speaker 14: how to stay focused through whatever we're doing and, and
[1:50:03] Speaker 14: just grow as a team. And, um, That's what really
[1:50:06] Speaker 14: stuck out to me when he brought the ring in.
[1:50:09] Speaker 1: So Jalen said he brought the ring out, said it
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: was one of the toughest to win. Gil, do you
[1:50:14] Speaker 1: agree that the 2020 bubble title was one of the
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: toughest ever?
[1:50:17] Speaker 3: 100% of every player who played in the bubble said
[1:50:21] Speaker 3: it was tough.
[1:50:23] Speaker 1: We did have Danny Green on this couch recently.
[1:50:26] Speaker 3: I mean, because all you can do is think about basketball, right?
[1:50:32] Speaker 3: Most people, you have to be built, right? a certain
[1:50:36] Speaker 3: way to just only focus on that, right? Just pure hooping, right?
[1:50:44] Speaker 3: If you think about everyone who actually performed well in
[1:50:52] Speaker 3: the bubble, came out of the bubble, and their careers
[1:50:55] Speaker 3: took off. You're talking about Jokic, you're talking about Luka,
[1:51:00] Speaker 3: you're talking about Devin Booker, You're talking about Jamal Murray.
[1:51:04] Speaker 3: That's where you're talking about Donovan Mitchell. LeBron James. You're
[1:51:10] Speaker 3: talking about.
[1:51:17] Speaker 2: Who else? I mean, Giannis. We got to see.
[1:51:22] Speaker 3: Who these guys were in that bubble. That was when
[1:51:27] Speaker 3: we first seen Luka when he was giving the Clippers
[1:51:30] Speaker 3: the business in that first round. We've seen what Mitchell did.
[1:51:35] Speaker 3: Because that's all it is. There's no home court advantage.
[1:51:39] Speaker 3: It's just you and your thoughts. There's no distraction. So
[1:51:43] Speaker 3: if you're easily distracted, you need comfort. You need people
[1:51:47] Speaker 3: to praise you. You need cheers from your fans and say,
[1:51:51] Speaker 3: come on, get it together. Then the bubble wasn't meant
[1:51:55] Speaker 3: for you. It was a mental battle. And you can
[1:51:58] Speaker 3: see who mentally was prepared. You know, and that's, you know,
[1:52:04] Speaker 3: so when you ask people, you know, players who were there,
[1:52:07] Speaker 3: they didn't have.
[1:52:09] Speaker 2: Family and friends. It's like boot camp.
[1:52:11] Speaker 3: You know, just play basketball and, you know, go in
[1:52:14] Speaker 3: your room, come out and let's practice.
[1:52:18] Speaker 2: Strongest of all.
[1:52:20] Speaker 1: Sean, do you agree or disagree with Jalen Williams saying
[1:52:22] Speaker 1: that the bubble is one of the toughest rings to win?
[1:52:26] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:52:27] Speaker 5: He was just distracting me because he looked like AI,
[1:52:30] Speaker 5: like somebody's playing, like talking while he's talking. He doesn't
[1:52:34] Speaker 5: seem like an avatar. You know what I'm saying? Trying
[1:52:38] Speaker 5: to figure out if that's really him or not.
[1:52:40] Speaker 2: Talks like that.
[1:52:41] Speaker 3: It's confusing. What? That was it.
[1:52:45] Speaker 2: That was it.
[1:52:48] Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want to get into all that because
[1:52:51] Speaker 5: it's neither here nor there. Caruso should be respected, and
[1:52:54] Speaker 5: that's what I think that they did. they have some
[1:52:56] Speaker 5: respect for him bringing in the chip and saying this
[1:52:58] Speaker 5: is how it's done.
[1:52:59] Speaker 2: This is how we're going to get it done.
[1:53:01] Speaker 5: You know, I think that's just pretty much the main
[1:53:04] Speaker 5: message is.
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: But as a player on that squad who hasn't experienced
[1:53:08] Speaker 1: a championship, to see somebody pull out the championship ring,
[1:53:11] Speaker 1: show them what it looks like, it seems like that's something,
[1:53:14] Speaker 1: there's a motivational factor, hey, I want to get one
[1:53:16] Speaker 1: of these too.
[1:53:17] Speaker 2: Could be. Could be. I think whatever it is, they
[1:53:22] Speaker 2: got to show it. You know what I'm saying?
[1:53:23] Speaker 5: Like they got to take it over the top. to
[1:53:25] Speaker 5: get rid of all the notions of you're too young,
[1:53:29] Speaker 5: you're this, you're that.
[1:53:29] Speaker 2: Just prove it. We have to change what we talk about.
[1:53:33] Speaker 3: I agree. For sure.
[1:53:38] Speaker 1: In that soundbite, we just heard J-Dub mention criticism of
[1:53:41] Speaker 1: the team being too happy to succeed on the championship level.
[1:53:44] Speaker 1: We heard Draymond make comments about it earlier in the season.
[1:53:46] Speaker 1: Too much buddy-buddy, key-keying, post-game interviews, everybody pulling up. But
[1:53:52] Speaker 1: if this team is able to win a championship and
[1:53:53] Speaker 1: be successful with that particular style of camaraderie, the power
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: of friendship, if you will, will we see more teams
[1:53:59] Speaker 1: mimic OKC's personality in the future?
[1:54:03] Speaker 3: Of course.
[1:54:05] Speaker 2: You think so?
[1:54:05] Speaker 3: Copycat league. It is a copycat league. It's a copycat league.
[1:54:10] Speaker 3: When Steph Curry was shooting crazy-ass threes, he was talking
[1:54:14] Speaker 3: shit about that. Guards that do play like that can't win.
[1:54:18] Speaker 3: When he won, whole league turned into that. So now
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: that you see these guys are having fun with each other,
[1:54:30] Speaker 3: having fun on and off the court, being happy about
[1:54:34] Speaker 3: the game itself, being happy about each other, it's showing
[1:54:40] Speaker 3: a different side of how you can approach the game.
[1:54:43] Speaker 2: So if these guys.
[1:54:46] Speaker 3: Win this championship, 1,000% you're going to see The attitudes
[1:54:51] Speaker 3: of players and how teams are put together shift. They're
[1:54:57] Speaker 3: going to start doing more buddy-buddy shit. You're going to
[1:54:59] Speaker 3: start seeing copycats around. They're all in groups, you know,
[1:55:03] Speaker 3: doing interviews at the end. You're going to because it
[1:55:06] Speaker 3: shows success. What kind of teammate are you?
[1:55:09] Speaker 2: Yep.
[1:55:10] Speaker 1: But is that something that you talk about copycat league,
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: it's easy to tell a guy, hey, go shoot more threes.
[1:55:16] Speaker 1: It's a lot harder to be like, all right, go
[1:55:17] Speaker 1: be buddies with your teammates.
[1:55:18] Speaker 3: No, it's not. Did you notice when Miami started doing
[1:55:26] Speaker 3: two people doing interviews, two stars doing interviews at the
[1:55:29] Speaker 3: same time? Have you noticed that's been the motto since,
[1:55:31] Speaker 3: but nobody's picked up on it? Before that, it was
[1:55:33] Speaker 3: just that star. Ever since Miami and D-Wade and LeBron
[1:55:38] Speaker 3: done it, everyone starts to do it now. That is
[1:55:41] Speaker 3: now the new thing. Both stars up at the same time. Before,
[1:55:44] Speaker 3: that wasn't a thing. You didn't go in groups in
[1:55:46] Speaker 3: the podiums. You had to go individually so they can
[1:55:50] Speaker 3: ask you different questions and shit like that. Now they're
[1:55:53] Speaker 3: all sitting there together. So you can't, there's no conquering
[1:55:55] Speaker 3: divide system. A lot harder to do with both of
[1:55:59] Speaker 3: them sitting there neutralizing the media. Oh, Gil said this.
[1:56:04] Speaker 2: Think about this, though.
[1:56:06] Speaker 5: If there's a war against being friends.
[1:56:08] Speaker 4: You like it better this way?
[1:56:10] Speaker 2: Being friends. Teammates being friends. It's like, ah, you see it.
[1:56:16] Speaker 5: And you see us being successful, the people who don't
[1:56:18] Speaker 5: like being friends with everybody are going to be like, man,
[1:56:20] Speaker 5: look at y'all. Y'all too happy. Y'all not too serious.
[1:56:22] Speaker 5: Y'all this, y'all that. And then we would say, well,
[1:56:25] Speaker 5: y'all should be more friends. Maybe y'all would still be
[1:56:27] Speaker 5: in the playoffs. Maybe y'all get back to being friends
[1:56:31] Speaker 5: like y'all was when y'all was winning. Everybody's going to
[1:56:34] Speaker 5: have to figure it out at this point because the
[1:56:36] Speaker 5: team chemistry does affect the winning. You're out there passing
[1:56:39] Speaker 5: the ball to who you like and who you don't like.
[1:56:41] Speaker 5: And that guy that you don't like is open. He
[1:56:44] Speaker 5: hit the shot. You don't want to throw it to him.
[1:56:46] Speaker 5: or what he said in the locker room, or whatever
[1:56:48] Speaker 5: it is. See, chemistry matters. So if those dudes on
[1:56:51] Speaker 5: OKC have a riff with one.
[1:56:53] Speaker 2: Another, you probably would never even know it.
[1:56:56] Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen teams be successful both ways, though, right? Historically.
[1:57:01] Speaker 15: We've seen the Bulls. Mike and Pippen didn't get along.
[1:57:04] Speaker 15: Saw the Lakers, Shaq and Kobe weren't that good. You
[1:57:06] Speaker 15: would never know it. You never knew it. Never knew
[1:57:09] Speaker 15: Dennis and Scotty never hung out with Mike.
[1:57:12] Speaker 2: Couldn't tell. Off the court? Couldn't tell.
[1:57:14] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:57:15] Speaker 1: Cheryl's a four-time WNBA champion of the world. How close
[1:57:21] Speaker 1: were your teams? We've hit this lightly previously, but friends
[1:57:26] Speaker 1: or just, look, we're friends on the court.
[1:57:28] Speaker 3: I'll see y'all when I see y'all.
[1:57:31] Speaker 7: I mean, we didn't really hang out like that. On
[1:57:34] Speaker 7: the court, we came to work to take care of
[1:57:36] Speaker 7: what we had to take care of. And outside of that,
[1:57:39] Speaker 7: everybody had their own.
[1:57:41] Speaker 1: But were you friendly on the court with each other?
[1:57:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:57:45] Speaker 7: I mean, when we were playing, it was us against
[1:57:48] Speaker 7: the world. Practices were a little different because we.
[1:57:51] Speaker 4: Went at each other in practice.
[1:57:54] Speaker 7: Our practices were usually harder than the competition that we
[1:57:58] Speaker 7: were going to play against.
[1:58:00] Speaker 3: That's how good your practices was.
[1:58:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:58:04] Speaker 1: That's an important element, right? Thunder can be friends. They
[1:58:06] Speaker 1: can do all the post-game interview shenanigans, hijinks, all that
[1:58:09] Speaker 1: good stuff. But at the end of the day, you
[1:58:11] Speaker 1: roll that ball out.
[1:58:13] Speaker 5: But there's a big difference between the homies and your brothers.
[1:58:18] Speaker 2: Try to tell this to my homies. Your homies and
[1:58:20] Speaker 2: your brothers?
[1:58:21] Speaker 5: Your homies and your brothers. Your homies can disappoint you.
[1:58:26] Speaker 5: You don't talk to your homie no more. He ain't
[1:58:28] Speaker 5: my homie no more. That's my brother. No matter what
[1:58:32] Speaker 5: he do, that's my brother. You good, bro. We gonna
[1:58:36] Speaker 5: shake hands. We gonna, ah, my nigga, you cool.
[1:58:38] Speaker 2: You my bro.
[1:58:39] Speaker 3: But the homie can stop.
[1:58:41] Speaker 5: Being my homie and go over there and be homies
[1:58:44] Speaker 5: with the nigga I'm into.
[1:58:46] Speaker 2: Brothers don't do that.
[1:58:48] Speaker 7: Most of the time.
[1:58:48] Speaker 3: Most of the time. 99.9%.
[1:58:49] Speaker 2: Unless the daddy told him that you Hey, that ain't
[1:58:54] Speaker 2: your brother. That is your brother.
[1:58:56] Speaker 1: Every once in a while you get a Fredo in
[1:58:57] Speaker 1: the mix. You fucked it up.
[1:58:59] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? But outside of that, bro,
[1:59:01] Speaker 2: I see brotherhood. That's what I see.
[1:59:03] Speaker 5: That's what we used to be with the NBA where
[1:59:05] Speaker 5: brotherhood didn't matter whether you was first team, second team,
[1:59:08] Speaker 5: third team, or all NBA or MVP. Everybody hung together
[1:59:12] Speaker 5: because everybody fucked with each other. But now there's such
[1:59:15] Speaker 5: a divisiveness because.
[1:59:16] Speaker 2: You don't make no money. You ain't made this. You
[1:59:18] Speaker 2: ain't got enough points. You ain't got enough minutes. You
[1:59:20] Speaker 2: can't sit at this table. OK, see, like, man, what's up?
[1:59:24] Speaker 2: I'm bringing the OJ. You bringing the mashed potatoes. Man,
[1:59:27] Speaker 2: I'm bringing the hoes.
[1:59:28] Speaker 3: What's good? You know, somebody, you said something that Shaq
[1:59:32] Speaker 3: and Kobe. You're missing the rest of the element. There's
[1:59:38] Speaker 3: still 15 players on that team.
[1:59:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:59:41] Speaker 3: Right. The two stars ain't got.
[1:59:42] Speaker 2: To like each other.
[1:59:43] Speaker 3: The rest of the team, it's it's it's still the
[1:59:45] Speaker 3: rest of the team.
[1:59:46] Speaker 2: Just like Boston. Right.
[1:59:47] Speaker 3: Right. They all got along besides one. So they won.
[1:59:52] Speaker 3: They got a problem with one for some. But if
[1:59:54] Speaker 3: you look at the rest of them today, the same
[1:59:56] Speaker 3: five or six are still cool. Right. Ray Allen. Like,
[2:00:02] Speaker 3: you know, Ray Allen was the one on the hour. Well,
[2:00:04] Speaker 3: he made a decision to go win a championship. But
[2:00:06] Speaker 3: even before that, him and Rondo didn't get along.
[2:00:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, they was.
[2:00:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, they was. It is still at it. But Rondo. KG,
[2:00:12] Speaker 3: Paul Pierce, they got along, right? So, you know, when majority,
[2:00:17] Speaker 3: it's still, it's still, there can be one bad apple,
[2:00:20] Speaker 3: two bad apples, but, you know, for the most part,
[2:00:22] Speaker 3: if there's a group that it affects winning, then that's
[2:00:26] Speaker 3: all that matters.
[2:00:27] Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about bad apples per se, but
[2:00:29] Speaker 1: you got two stars, they may just be on two
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: different islands.
[2:00:33] Speaker 2: Pick a side.
[2:00:34] Speaker 3: But if three, four, five, six is fucking with one
[2:00:36] Speaker 3: or the other, that's, If you got five different people
[2:00:39] Speaker 3: thinking five different things, then it's when you.
[2:00:41] Speaker 2: Have a problem. That's what I'm saying.
[2:00:43] Speaker 3: Or when the whole locker room.
[2:00:44] Speaker 2: Is divided between the two. That is the problem.
[2:00:47] Speaker 3: But if it's just one that don't get along with them,
[2:00:49] Speaker 3: but these four or five get along with him, then that's...
[2:00:52] Speaker 3: It feels like with this Thunder team, it's the SGA squad,
[2:00:55] Speaker 3: everybody else fall in line, get in where you fit in.
[2:00:58] Speaker 2: It's normal leadership, though. There's a hierarchy when you come in.
[2:01:02] Speaker 5: There's the guy who wants to be the leader, and
[2:01:03] Speaker 5: then there's the guy that everyone makes the leader. So
[2:01:06] Speaker 5: the guy who wants the leadership position, he's trying to
[2:01:08] Speaker 5: prove that he can be the leader.
[2:01:09] Speaker 3: To the other three, four, five. So usually if there's
[2:01:13] Speaker 3: a buffer, it's between one and two. Yep. Right?
[2:01:16] Speaker 2: And usually three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine usually
[2:01:20] Speaker 2: goes with one. That's the better player.
[2:01:22] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:01:22] Speaker 2: He's the assuming leader.
[2:01:26] Speaker 3: Now, if number two got three and four, and then
[2:01:29] Speaker 3: four and five is with one, then that's where you
[2:01:31] Speaker 3: have dysfunction inside the team. And that usually happens when
[2:01:36] Speaker 3: probably number one, had the team, and then he missed
[2:01:40] Speaker 3: some time.
[2:01:41] Speaker 2: And then two, basically convinced them. Rallied everybody together. Yeah,
[2:01:45] Speaker 2: we're going to do this.
[2:01:46] Speaker 3: Now, one comes back, now you've got a divided locker room.
[2:01:50] Speaker 2: That was Melo in New York. With Jeremy Lin. Jeremy Lin?
[2:01:55] Speaker 2: Jeremy Lin came back. It wasn't so much the team,
[2:01:58] Speaker 2: it was D'Antoni saying, this is what we, like, we're
[2:02:02] Speaker 2: going this direction. No, it was the team too. Both.
[2:02:04] Speaker 3: Because you've got to remember when... Amari Stoudemire.
[2:02:08] Speaker 2: You got all those guys. They're like, nah, we rocking.
[2:02:11] Speaker 2: We rocking with.
[2:02:12] Speaker 3: He's sharing the sugar. We rocking with Jeremy Lin. He's
[2:02:15] Speaker 3: rocking with Jeremy Lin right now. You know what I mean?
[2:02:18] Speaker 3: Come on, just get in and jump on board with
[2:02:19] Speaker 3: us and let's figure this out.
[2:02:21] Speaker 2: Shit, we getting shit from China. Man, the work calling.
[2:02:24] Speaker 2: The work calling back.
[2:02:25] Speaker 3: KTV.
[2:02:26] Speaker 2: KTV. Alibaba.
[2:02:28] Speaker 3: Shit, we on Alibaba and shit. There's a lot of
[2:02:31] Speaker 3: benefits with him right here running this one.
[2:02:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're getting straight. We got the direct source.
[2:02:37] Speaker 4: Before the tear.
[2:02:39] Speaker 2: That one and two. Pre-tear. And if you got them
[2:02:42] Speaker 2: other guys, they all looking like, who's the leader?
[2:02:45] Speaker 3: Like you said, Boston.
[2:02:47] Speaker 5: If the riff is who we're going to pick the
[2:02:49] Speaker 5: leader is, but we already know. So whoever's established leadership already,
[2:02:53] Speaker 5: we already know who the leader is. They're trying to
[2:02:55] Speaker 5: tell us we need to pick who the leader is.
[2:02:57] Speaker 1: But like you said, there can be changes in leadership sometimes.
[2:03:01] Speaker 1: and the previous leader comes back ready to take over
[2:03:03] Speaker 1: his leadership role.
[2:03:04] Speaker 2: Was that the conflict up in OKC with KD and Russ? Yeah, no,
[2:03:09] Speaker 2: if you look at the shit.
[2:03:12] Speaker 3: When KD went down and Russ stepped into that role
[2:03:16] Speaker 3: and he was having success and he got his boys
[2:03:19] Speaker 3: playing great basketball. Also remember this. When KD's involved, it's
[2:03:26] Speaker 3: a pecking order. When the new leader steps in, there's
[2:03:30] Speaker 3: a different pecking order. Now let's say he averaged 8
[2:03:34] Speaker 3: under KD.
[2:03:35] Speaker 2: He was fine with it.
[2:03:36] Speaker 3: Now Russ comes in, now he's averaging 15. Who do
[2:03:40] Speaker 3: you think side he on? So now you got two people.
[2:03:44] Speaker 3: Now KD is fighting against two people now.
[2:03:47] Speaker 5: I'm sitting over here in this corner, and I used
[2:03:49] Speaker 5: to just barely get a pass and a half from KD.
[2:03:52] Speaker 2: Coming over here.
[2:03:53] Speaker 3: Four or five. Happy, though.
[2:03:55] Speaker 2: Like, hit it.
[2:03:56] Speaker 3: He's like, hit it. Two in a row. Here.
[2:03:57] Speaker 2: I ain't got it.
[2:03:59] Speaker 5: And then he threw it to me with two seconds left,
[2:04:01] Speaker 5: and I got to shoot it.
[2:04:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what happens. You know, the number one
[2:04:05] Speaker 3: guy is no different than, you know, the Dallas owner.
[2:04:09] Speaker 2: He comes in. He got his own pecking order. How
[2:04:13] Speaker 2: it works for him.
[2:04:13] Speaker 3: Yep. So he's going to start giving the ball to
[2:04:16] Speaker 3: who he likes.
[2:04:17] Speaker 1: Yep.
[2:04:18] Speaker 5: That's the Kobe-Luke Walton. Luke is my guy. No, Shaq-Luke
[2:04:24] Speaker 5: was my guy.
[2:04:24] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[2:04:27] Speaker 3: Because, you know, Luke is passing that shit to Shaq
[2:04:29] Speaker 3: like this, and Cole's like, hey, man, listen, all that
[2:04:31] Speaker 3: lob-lob city, I don't.
[2:04:33] Speaker 2: Jump like that, man.
[2:04:33] Speaker 3: You better change the passes up.
[2:04:36] Speaker 2: This ain't big to be.
[2:04:37] Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And that's what ends up happening,
[2:04:41] Speaker 3: where the shift is. When one goes down, the other
[2:04:44] Speaker 3: one takes over, and it's ripple effect. It'll be all right.
[2:04:50] Speaker 2: I think just team basketball.
[2:04:51] Speaker 3: They're good right now because it's a real pecking order.
[2:04:55] Speaker 3: It's so far.
[2:04:58] Speaker 1: But it seems like that pecking order can sustain for
[2:05:01] Speaker 1: the next couple of seasons at least.
[2:05:03] Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is you can't see it.
[2:05:06] Speaker 1: I don't see Jalen Williams coming through and being like, no,
[2:05:08] Speaker 1: it's my team now. No, he's not going to say that.
[2:05:10] Speaker 5: But he's saying, like, the interviews I'm seeing, I'm seeing,
[2:05:13] Speaker 5: like I said, he don't look real.
[2:05:15] Speaker 2: Like an avatar, he's setting some shit up. Like, yeah.
[2:05:18] Speaker 3: I mean, let's just say.
[2:05:19] Speaker 2: I'm going to mastermind this shit.
[2:05:21] Speaker 5: And if any, he better not let the foot off
[2:05:23] Speaker 5: the gas at all or I'm coming for it.
[2:05:25] Speaker 2: Like, let's just say, like, you know, Shea go down,
[2:05:28] Speaker 2: and then, you know, you got Jalen Williams.
[2:05:31] Speaker 3: Averaging 30, and then Chet averaging 25.
[2:05:34] Speaker 2: And they looking like a little duo. You know what
[2:05:37] Speaker 2: I mean?
[2:05:38] Speaker 3: Harkinstein averaging 17. Are we winning, though? It don't matter.
[2:05:42] Speaker 3: Do you care at that point? Once you taste the steak.
[2:05:45] Speaker 3: Once you taste the steak.
[2:05:46] Speaker 5: Well, then it would matter, though, because then when he
[2:05:48] Speaker 5: comes back and they start winning, then we were like, yeah,
[2:05:50] Speaker 5: that was fool's gold.
[2:05:51] Speaker 3: Y'all need to chill out. Once you taste that Wagyu.
[2:05:57] Speaker 2: Can't go back.
[2:05:57] Speaker 3: You can't go back. You got to remember, hamburger helper. Gil,
[2:06:02] Speaker 3: hamburger helper with the appropriate accessory. What about the dinosaur?
[2:06:05] Speaker 3: It tastes like Wagyu.
[2:06:05] Speaker 2: Hey, it's cool.
[2:06:07] Speaker 5: That's my only issue with them because they're young, and
[2:06:09] Speaker 5: if they do win it this year, how are they
[2:06:10] Speaker 5: going to come back?
[2:06:11] Speaker 2: You know how they're going to come back. No, they're
[2:06:14] Speaker 2: going to come back.
[2:06:15] Speaker 3: I'm just saying, once you taste that next level of something,
[2:06:19] Speaker 3: it's hard to rewind back.
[2:06:22] Speaker 4: Even if you're losing.
[2:06:23] Speaker 3: It's hard to rewind back.
[2:06:24] Speaker 2: The Boston Celtics.
[2:06:25] Speaker 3: When I'm averaging 25, there's a price that comes with that.
[2:06:30] Speaker 3: And once I started looking at a price that says
[2:06:33] Speaker 3: you get a four-year 150... And then when the start
[2:06:38] Speaker 3: comes back and I go back to my original role
[2:06:40] Speaker 3: and that original war is four year, 35, there's no ring.
[2:06:45] Speaker 2: There's no ring talk no more.
[2:06:47] Speaker 3: That's family legacy talk. And it's hard. That's what fucks
[2:06:52] Speaker 3: teams up every time. It never fails. It ain't shit
[2:06:55] Speaker 3: that ever changes.
[2:06:56] Speaker 5: There is a decision to be made at that point.
[2:07:02] Speaker 3: It's always for the.
[2:07:03] Speaker 2: Do the gentleman run some or do you The Reds,
[2:07:05] Speaker 2: do you go with Brunson or do you? That's what
[2:07:07] Speaker 2: you got about Brunson. I see this team maybe moving.
[2:07:10] Speaker 3: I don't know. Obviously, if I'm Shea, I want my bag.
[2:07:12] Speaker 3: I'm MVP. I'm taking. No, but the bag is already changed.
[2:07:14] Speaker 3: He's getting hit. He's never the star player. That's what
[2:07:16] Speaker 3: I'm saying. He's getting hit.
[2:07:17] Speaker 1: We ain't worried about him. He's never the star player.
[2:07:19] Speaker 1: But we saw Brunson do that with the Knicks, so
[2:07:21] Speaker 1: I'm going.
[2:07:21] Speaker 3: To take that. He's never the star player.
[2:07:23] Speaker 2: He's the star.
[2:07:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:07:26] Speaker 3: But when I'm saying, like, let's say OG. Brunson goes
[2:07:30] Speaker 3: down and OG becomes Caps. and he's averaging 25, and
[2:07:35] Speaker 3: he's looking at a certain type of money, and Brunson
[2:07:39] Speaker 3: comes back, and he goes back to the 15-16, and
[2:07:43] Speaker 3: his money got chopped to 75%, he's the one that
[2:07:46] Speaker 3: becomes a problem.
[2:07:48] Speaker 2: But that's only if they're losing.
[2:07:50] Speaker 3: Remember I said that? Only if they're losing. When you're losing,
[2:07:55] Speaker 3: that's a benefit. That winning personally don't give me 75%.
[2:07:57] Speaker 3: It gives Brunson.
[2:07:58] Speaker 2: But I'm saying.
[2:07:59] Speaker 3: divin chinzo what happened what did i say that was
[2:08:01] Speaker 3: gonna happen to divin chinzo he tasted something that wasn't
[2:08:06] Speaker 3: sustainable when everybody got healthy who become disgruntled.
[2:08:11] Speaker 5: But remember what we said though he has to go
[2:08:14] Speaker 5: back Remember, we prepared for that. We was like, look,
[2:08:17] Speaker 5: you can be happy with the Wagyu taste in your
[2:08:19] Speaker 5: mouth all you fucking want to, my nigga. You're not
[2:08:23] Speaker 5: at this table as a reserve. This doesn't say reserve
[2:08:26] Speaker 5: for you. You came with a plus two, bro. You
[2:08:28] Speaker 5: tasted that just because it's Tuesday. Look, it's Wednesday now.
[2:08:32] Speaker 5: Go back, ramen noodles, Kool-Aid.
[2:08:34] Speaker 3: Kool-Aid.
[2:08:36] Speaker 2: A very fine meal, if he's incorrect. What ended up happening?
[2:08:39] Speaker 2: He had to accept that this is where I'm going
[2:08:42] Speaker 2: to be.
[2:08:43] Speaker 3: He was mad. He was disgruntled. Then they had to
[2:08:46] Speaker 3: get rid of him. Now he's coming off the bench
[2:08:48] Speaker 3: and I'm doing the same thing. Why don't you taste it?
[2:08:51] Speaker 5: When they got rid of him, they got somebody like
[2:08:54] Speaker 5: him that can accept the fact that you taste Wagyu sometime, bro.
[2:08:58] Speaker 3: The other one already tasted Wagyu. He was tasting Wagyu
[2:09:02] Speaker 3: in Brooklyn. He was tasting Wagyu.
[2:09:03] Speaker 2: He know his spot.
[2:09:04] Speaker 3: This guy tasted Wagyu for the first time and he
[2:09:07] Speaker 3: was like, yeah, yeah, I don't want to go back
[2:09:08] Speaker 3: to that.
[2:09:09] Speaker 2: But see, Bridges on the phone was like, yeah, we
[2:09:12] Speaker 2: don't care. When you taste the Wagyu, Bridges was like, look,
[2:09:14] Speaker 2: when you taste the Wagyu, bro.
[2:09:17] Speaker 2: Listen, it's fire, but you got to have the palate
[2:09:22] Speaker 2: for this.
[2:09:23] Speaker 3: Like, don't go crazy, bro. You got to have a balance. Yeah,
[2:09:25] Speaker 3: you got to get some mashed potatoes.
[2:09:28] Speaker 2: Order a medium well.
[2:09:29] Speaker 3: Like, get that succulent and get succulent in there. It
[2:09:32] Speaker 3: ain't well done yet. Get a little medium.
[2:09:33] Speaker 2: Don't ask for it.
[2:09:36] Speaker 3: It ain't that. Go crazy. You get addicted to it
[2:09:38] Speaker 3: and it's hard not to. No, I know, but I
[2:09:41] Speaker 3: hear what you're saying. You got a wise, ex-wise and
[2:09:44] Speaker 3: girlfriend still tripping 20 years later about some Wagyu.
[2:09:48] Speaker 2: Wagyu you should taste, man. It ain't the same no more. Oh, God.
[2:09:51] Speaker 3: All right. All right. The Popeye's chicken. He better get
[2:09:59] Speaker 3: in line for that goddamn chicken sandwich. He's still over there.
[2:10:03] Speaker 3: He's still over there in Nobu with his new girl.
[2:10:07] Speaker 3: I'd take the sandwich.
[2:10:08] Speaker 4: It's fire, though.
[2:10:10] Speaker 2: People waited hours to get that chicken sandwich when it
[2:10:12] Speaker 2: first came out.
[2:10:13] Speaker 3: Dry-ass sandwich. Very moist, Gil.
[2:10:17] Speaker 2: That shit was fire.
[2:10:19] Speaker 3: That shit was fire. That shit was good.
[2:10:22] Speaker 2: They used to have chicken sandwiches everywhere. That shit was
[2:10:25] Speaker 2: good if you was from the hood.
[2:10:27] Speaker 3: If you was from the hood. If you was from
[2:10:30] Speaker 3: the hood, the chicken sandwiches was the shit.
[2:10:32] Speaker 1: You saw several Caucasians waiting in line, multiple bags, reselling.
[2:10:35] Speaker 3: If you ate real chicken sandwiches from real chicken sandwich places,
[2:10:39] Speaker 3: you know it came with condiments. I got my shit
[2:10:42] Speaker 3: that had bread, sauce, and a pickle. Well, my lettuce, tomatoes,
[2:10:47] Speaker 3: and where's all the extra shit that goes? Simplicity.
[2:10:50] Speaker 2: Simplicity, Gil.
[2:10:52] Speaker 3: I'm not seven years old.
[2:10:53] Speaker 2: The chicken is the main thing.
[2:10:55] Speaker 3: I'm not seven.
[2:10:55] Speaker 2: I don't eat bread and chicken.
[2:10:57] Speaker 3: That's good. Fucking plain bread and chicken.
[2:11:00] Speaker 2: Also known as a chicken sandwich.
[2:11:02] Speaker 3: You a psychopath. You a psychopath. If you eat just bread, chicken,
[2:11:08] Speaker 3: and a dot of sauce, man, if you don't put
[2:11:10] Speaker 3: the motherfucking spread. A good dollop, though. With my cheese.
[2:11:13] Speaker 4: A good dollop of the sauce.
[2:11:15] Speaker 3: Hey, something we were talking about yesterday.
[2:11:17] Speaker 4: No, y'all need the cheese.
[2:11:18] Speaker 2: You need the chicken sandwich from Popeye's.
[2:11:21] Speaker 5: You still got gas two years later. Something we were
[2:11:26] Speaker 5: talking about yesterday.
[2:11:28] Speaker 2: Mr. B, what's up?
[2:11:29] Speaker 3: So we were talking about a bag, right?
[2:11:31] Speaker 2: You said great players don't have bags, right? It's like
[2:11:34] Speaker 2: more fundamental skill, right? No, no, no.
[2:11:38] Speaker 3: Great players all had fundamentals.
[2:11:41] Speaker 2: Right, right. For sure. Their fundamentals was elite. Okay. And
[2:11:45] Speaker 2: then bags are on top of that. And it's the
[2:11:49] Speaker 2: bag for you.
[2:11:50] Speaker 3: But how kids talk about bags today is the Jordan pool.
[2:11:58] Speaker 3: He has this elaborate bag. He don't have the fundamentals
[2:12:02] Speaker 3: of it. So his bag is irrelevant to anyone that
[2:12:07] Speaker 3: played basketball.
[2:12:09] Speaker 7: He said the old school greats didn't really have a bag.
[2:12:13] Speaker 9: Isaiah Thomas didn't have like a Like, you wouldn't say
[2:12:16] Speaker 9: he had a bag?
[2:12:17] Speaker 2: He got to where he got to.
[2:12:18] Speaker 3: What was his bag? You can't stop. Did he do
[2:12:22] Speaker 3: anything extra outside of getting to the point? Like, we
[2:12:25] Speaker 3: see the bag as this. I done hit you with
[2:12:27] Speaker 3: a crossover. You done shifted there. I done did a
[2:12:30] Speaker 3: step back for you to come back here for me
[2:12:31] Speaker 3: to do this to do a step back. The fuck
[2:12:34] Speaker 3: did you need? You already got rid of him. Like,
[2:12:37] Speaker 3: when they do this, they do the side step, pump,
[2:12:39] Speaker 3: one dribble, pull.
[2:12:40] Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
[2:12:40] Speaker 3: That's a normal basketball play. Right, right. Pump, step back.
[2:12:44] Speaker 3: Double step back to another side step. Extra bags. Did
[2:12:51] Speaker 3: Pete Maravich have a bag? Yes. So that's one.
[2:12:58] Speaker 5: To me, I have a totally different perspective of what
[2:13:01] Speaker 5: a bag is.
[2:13:03] Speaker 2: But the fundamentals of passing was already elite. It's the
[2:13:06] Speaker 2: fundamentals first.
[2:13:09] Speaker 3: So when you're talking about bags, like Everyone has a bag.
[2:13:14] Speaker 3: Everyone has a bag. What's in it?
[2:13:18] Speaker 2: What's in the bag?
[2:13:20] Speaker 3: Some people just say, hey, man, I just need a
[2:13:23] Speaker 3: knife and a grenade.
[2:13:25] Speaker 2: Just in case.
[2:13:27] Speaker 3: That's it.
[2:13:28] Speaker 2: Some people need shit. They're not confident with themselves. I
[2:13:32] Speaker 2: need to ooze.
[2:13:32] Speaker 3: You got extra shit. I got all this extra. Like
[2:13:35] Speaker 3: some people are just these one, two moves. That's all
[2:13:38] Speaker 3: I need because they can't stop me. And so he'd
[2:13:41] Speaker 3: be like, oh, man, you sitting there with your whole
[2:13:43] Speaker 3: loaded roster of shit you got going on. You look
[2:13:46] Speaker 3: at my shit and say, yeah, it's nigga shit, plain
[2:13:48] Speaker 3: to the bitch.
[2:13:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, because a bag to me growing up was Anwar Mixtape.
[2:13:51] Speaker 3: Yes. Like Ray Frost. And that's what they think. That
[2:13:54] Speaker 3: was a bag to me. Like, oh, he got it.
[2:13:56] Speaker 3: And that's what they think a bag is. That's what
[2:13:58] Speaker 3: the little kids think a bag is.
[2:13:59] Speaker 2: That.
[2:14:00] Speaker 3: Those things. Extra jelly and shit. I got to lay
[2:14:04] Speaker 3: up here. Let me sit here and sling it. Spin
[2:14:06] Speaker 3: it off the top.
[2:14:07] Speaker 2: That's a bag, man.
[2:14:09] Speaker 4: And a lot of problems.
[2:14:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:14:11] Speaker 5: That's exactly why the game is the way it is now.
[2:14:14] Speaker 5: To me, a bag is a book. It's not a bag,
[2:14:18] Speaker 5: it's a book. Page one.
[2:14:20] Speaker 2: What you gonna go for first? Page two. You stupid.
[2:14:28] Speaker 2: Watch you go for the page one again.
[2:14:30] Speaker 3: And then it.
[2:14:32] Speaker 5: Goes further and further and further on building up on
[2:14:35] Speaker 5: what two, what page three, page four.
[2:14:37] Speaker 2: KG taught me this. It's counters and moves and and
[2:14:40] Speaker 2: how to make the defense shift and what they reacting to,
[2:14:44] Speaker 2: what they got a value on. When I open up
[2:14:46] Speaker 2: page one, if you don't get nothing done in page one,
[2:14:49] Speaker 2: you're gonna have a long night.
[2:14:50] Speaker 5: Cause if I gotta go to page two, it's a
[2:14:52] Speaker 5: lot of shit in there. That's what people talk about
[2:14:55] Speaker 5: the bag. On the bag, I can pull this out.
[2:14:57] Speaker 5: I got the spin package, right? I got the half
[2:15:00] Speaker 5: spin package. I got the between-between package. I got the
[2:15:03] Speaker 5: between-behind-the-back package. I got the between-cross package. I got the
[2:15:06] Speaker 5: Hezzy package. I got all the packages.
[2:15:08] Speaker 2: I don't ever have to pull none of this shit
[2:15:10] Speaker 2: out because you ain't that good of a defender to
[2:15:11] Speaker 2: make me. But I got it. And that's what the
[2:15:16] Speaker 2: normal people don't understand.
[2:15:18] Speaker 3: Everyone has a bag.
[2:15:20] Speaker 2: Remember I said it. I said.
[2:15:22] Speaker 3: You need a package for different defenders if you're an
[2:15:26] Speaker 3: elite score, right? If I'm going against a guard, I
[2:15:30] Speaker 3: have a package. If I'm going against someone who's stronger than.
[2:15:32] Speaker 2: Me, I have a package.
[2:15:33] Speaker 3: Someone taller than me, I have a package. But for
[2:15:37] Speaker 3: me to do any of that, you have to stop
[2:15:40] Speaker 3: my basic bag first. Yeah, my basic.
[2:15:43] Speaker 5: Being right past you.
[2:15:48] Speaker 3: If you got me doing all this irrelevant shit, you're winning.
[2:15:52] Speaker 2: You ain't got no bag.
[2:15:55] Speaker 3: Right, the bag. For a basketball, not the fan. Fan
[2:15:59] Speaker 3: thinks bags are different. For a basketball player. Simple first,
[2:16:05] Speaker 3: if we can't make you count, if you can't make
[2:16:10] Speaker 3: me count like Shay, you can't make him shoot a three,
[2:16:13] Speaker 3: because he knows you can't stop his layer package. Right, right, right, okay.
[2:16:16] Speaker 3: So to you, you don't have a bag.
[2:16:17] Speaker 2: Okay. To him, I don't need it yet.
[2:16:20] Speaker 3: I don't need to pull out option two because you
[2:16:22] Speaker 3: can't stop option one. Jalen Brunson, you can't stop option one.
[2:16:26] Speaker 3: I'm trying to get to that rim. Stop it first
[2:16:29] Speaker 3: for me to do something else. These guys today are
[2:16:33] Speaker 3: stopping themselves. They're stopping themselves already. When the elite says,
[2:16:41] Speaker 3: I'm going to make 50 fucking layups before I shoot
[2:16:44] Speaker 3: a jumper. Show me you can stop my first move.
[2:16:48] Speaker 3: I'm not going to just automatically go to two and three.
[2:16:51] Speaker 2: Why is that? But that's what they do.
[2:16:53] Speaker 3: But that's what they do. So, like, somebody like LeBron,
[2:16:56] Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, he don't have a bag. Well, 50,000 points,
[2:16:58] Speaker 3: he didn't need one because you didn't stop fucking just,
[2:17:01] Speaker 3: I'm going to drive right and try to dunk. You
[2:17:03] Speaker 3: cut me off, I'm going to spin. They ain't stopped
[2:17:06] Speaker 3: that yet. So what the fuck does he need to
[2:17:08] Speaker 3: add three, four, five?
[2:17:09] Speaker 2: Keep doing it. I'm going to look at my hand.
[2:17:11] Speaker 3: Shot.
[2:17:12] Speaker 2: A bag.
[2:17:13] Speaker 3: Shot.
[2:17:13] Speaker 2: A very effective move.
[2:17:15] Speaker 3: You never even made him do this. Step, side, step.
[2:17:18] Speaker 5: A dribble is back. He started doing that later. That
[2:17:22] Speaker 5: side step. But he tell you it's coming though. That's
[2:17:25] Speaker 5: the crazy thing and nobody blocks it. I mean, look
[2:17:28] Speaker 5: at V cutting, right?
[2:17:31] Speaker 2: Fundamental. It sets you up for what? triple threat, catch
[2:17:37] Speaker 2: the ball, triple threat off a V cut. What's the
[2:17:39] Speaker 2: first thing I'm thinking about? Going right past you on
[2:17:43] Speaker 2: the catch, boom, right away.
[2:17:46] Speaker 5: Now, if you catch up to me on my first move,
[2:17:49] Speaker 5: which is going by you, Shay Alexander what he does
[2:17:52] Speaker 5: on the first move two dribbles hard come here snatch
[2:17:57] Speaker 5: back rule number one is if I go on the
[2:17:59] Speaker 5: catch real fast he's got to try to beat me
[2:18:01] Speaker 5: to the spot and I'm going to stop in.
[2:18:02] Speaker 2: A drop of a dime right there bop bop every
[2:18:04] Speaker 2: time now let's just say he just happens to say
[2:18:07] Speaker 2: alright I see what you're doing Snatch back.
[2:18:09] Speaker 3: Uh, uh, uh. Got you again.
[2:18:12] Speaker 2: Bump you this time.
[2:18:13] Speaker 5: I can do whatever. That's the book that I'm talking about.
[2:18:15] Speaker 5: That's page one. Catch and go. Either let me go,
[2:18:19] Speaker 5: lay it up, or you're going to have to try.
[2:18:20] Speaker 2: To stop me.
[2:18:22] Speaker 3: Page two.
[2:18:22] Speaker 5: I'm all paying attention to all this shit. I try
[2:18:24] Speaker 5: to explain this shit on Out the Mud, but, you know,
[2:18:26] Speaker 5: you got to misconstrue. But a real scorer analyzes not only,
[2:18:30] Speaker 5: like you said, the defense's of different strategies of trying
[2:18:33] Speaker 5: to stop me. This kind of guy's like to push up.
[2:18:36] Speaker 5: This kind of guy, he want me to shoot it.
[2:18:37] Speaker 5: He want me to bail him out. Nah, we're going
[2:18:40] Speaker 5: to attack because we got a bag for that. We
[2:18:43] Speaker 5: got footwork for that. We know how to make you
[2:18:45] Speaker 5: foul us. We know how to bait you if we
[2:18:46] Speaker 5: want to, but we want to show you that you
[2:18:48] Speaker 5: can't just come out here and play me any kind
[2:18:49] Speaker 5: of way.
[2:18:51] Speaker 3: It's chess. It's just weird. It's just weird basketball now. Right?
[2:18:58] Speaker 3: You drive. What's the first thing you do? Swing through drive.
[2:19:02] Speaker 3: Next one is what? Swing through, you overplay, snatch back.
[2:19:06] Speaker 3: Their first move is to swim.
[2:19:09] Speaker 2: Through, step back, sidestep. On the same moves, going the
[2:19:12] Speaker 2: same direction. That's your first move. I got two moves.
[2:19:17] Speaker 3: You already did your third counter before you even did
[2:19:20] Speaker 3: the first move. Like I always say, don't shoot a three.
[2:19:24] Speaker 3: Your first shot can't be a three. No. Your first
[2:19:28] Speaker 3: shot always got to be attacking.
[2:19:30] Speaker 2: So he feels that he needs to be on his
[2:19:32] Speaker 2: back heel. Right.
[2:19:34] Speaker 3: Right. So if you come down and I said, I said,
[2:19:38] Speaker 3: why is your first shot Damien from half court? He says,
[2:19:41] Speaker 3: I always shoot a far three first. to let the
[2:19:45] Speaker 3: defense know this is where I'm pulling from. So now
[2:19:49] Speaker 3: his defense has to start here. So my pick and
[2:19:52] Speaker 3: roll starts to start at half court. So now I
[2:19:54] Speaker 3: have all this space to run. For the three. For
[2:19:58] Speaker 3: the three and. So now the big man has to
[2:20:00] Speaker 3: play this longer game. And I was like.
[2:20:03] Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense.
[2:20:04] Speaker 3: His first shot is going to be damn near by
[2:20:06] Speaker 3: the half court so he can establish where he's shooting
[2:20:08] Speaker 3: from tonight. So now you got to pick up from
[2:20:10] Speaker 3: there so now when he does the pick and roll,
[2:20:12] Speaker 3: he has this whole thing he can run at the...
[2:20:14] Speaker 3: If he says, if he shoots the first three, they're
[2:20:16] Speaker 3: going to pick me up there. Now when the pick
[2:20:18] Speaker 3: and roll comes... Instead of three, I have no space.
[2:20:21] Speaker 5: And the coach is saying, pick him up earlier. And
[2:20:24] Speaker 5: he's going downhill now. Don't let that first one go in.
[2:20:26] Speaker 5: But see now, I wouldn't know that unless I talked
[2:20:29] Speaker 5: to him. So now I ask, what is your reasoning
[2:20:31] Speaker 5: for this? He has, he can explain it. It's like, okay,
[2:20:35] Speaker 5: that makes sense. Think about how the coach could get
[2:20:37] Speaker 5: that fucked up if he don't know that strategy. Dang,
[2:20:40] Speaker 5: why you pulling, every time you pull from, you don't
[2:20:42] Speaker 5: see how they play me the rest of the game?
[2:20:45] Speaker 3: Now watch when I come back down. buy right buy
[2:20:48] Speaker 3: them if not.
[2:20:49] Speaker 5: Everything all this shit is just strategy and mathematics man
[2:20:52] Speaker 5: i think it's just go back to like critical thinking
[2:20:54] Speaker 5: bro like it's it's x's and o's it's not like
[2:20:59] Speaker 5: building a barbie house like you gotta really go in
[2:21:03] Speaker 5: man and and build that bitch from the bottom and
[2:21:05] Speaker 5: you understand what pieces go where so it looks a
[2:21:08] Speaker 5: certain way like it's They getting away from all of
[2:21:11] Speaker 5: that because the X's and O's matters. Your book matters.
[2:21:14] Speaker 5: What you have in your book and in your bag,
[2:21:16] Speaker 5: it fucking matters. And if you're lying, we're going to
[2:21:19] Speaker 5: find out.
[2:21:20] Speaker 3: You ain't got that. You ain't got that. You ain't
[2:21:23] Speaker 3: working on that, man. Here it again.
[2:21:25] Speaker 2: I ain't buying it. He with us.
[2:21:27] Speaker 3: He with us. That's a fact.
[2:21:29] Speaker 1: My favorite thing to say. It's very hurtful when you're
[2:21:33] Speaker 1: on the court. He with us in the middle of
[2:21:34] Speaker 1: a shot. I'm on a different team.
[2:21:37] Speaker 3: That's disrespectful right there. Ball don't lie. Rebound.
[2:21:42] Speaker 1: That's the type of thing that'll get a lollipop snatch
[2:21:44] Speaker 1: out of your hand.
[2:21:45] Speaker 2: As soon as it go up.
[2:21:46] Speaker 3: Rebound. Get that out. Rebound. Hell no. She with us.
[2:21:53] Speaker 4: That's funny.
[2:21:54] Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
[2:21:56] Speaker 2: Let's move on to Mostly Fans.
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[2:22:08] Speaker 2: Somebody got an open pass.
[2:22:11] Speaker 3: It was my first year. And they swung it in
[2:22:14] Speaker 3: the corner, and the guy in the corner couldn't shoot.
[2:22:17] Speaker 2: He was like, he can't shoot.
[2:22:18] Speaker 3: Shit, he can't even shoot a gun. Damn. Wow.
[2:22:21] Speaker 2: Now, that would get a lollipop snatched out of him.
[2:22:24] Speaker 3: He probably hit the side of the room. Yeah, he
[2:22:26] Speaker 3: hit the side of the backboard like, come on, fuck him.
[2:22:28] Speaker 1: Boom, like, God damn. So, we are now in our
[2:22:32] Speaker 1: Mostly Fan segment. We have a question from Underdog user RGZ1018.
[2:22:38] Speaker 1: Which team or coach would you not want your kids
[2:22:40] Speaker 1: to play for? Which team or coach would you not
[2:22:43] Speaker 1: want your kids to play for? You don't have to
[2:22:49] Speaker 1: answer this because you have a child who will likely
[2:22:52] Speaker 1: be in the draft next season. That teammate draft.
[2:22:55] Speaker 3: It all depends on where that player is in his career. Elijah,
[2:23:02] Speaker 3: I'd rather him play for Stan Van Gundy when he
[2:23:06] Speaker 3: gets into the NBA because that's the type of coach
[2:23:11] Speaker 3: that really relies on detailed work ethic, discipline. So you're
[2:23:19] Speaker 3: rather your, you know, your earlier years to be disciplined
[2:23:24] Speaker 3: and understand what it takes to be a pro, right?
[2:23:27] Speaker 3: So he's going to work the shit out of you, right?
[2:23:30] Speaker 3: You ain't going to have.
[2:23:31] Speaker 2: Time to be going nowhere, right?
[2:23:33] Speaker 3: Your shoot around is your goddamn practice. That's a practice.
[2:23:37] Speaker 3: That's not a shoot around. There's no coming in there
[2:23:39] Speaker 3: with your shit not tied. Like that's, like when you
[2:23:42] Speaker 3: play the game, that's a second game. That first practice
[2:23:46] Speaker 3: is brutal. You're playing, it's a two-a-day damn thing, right?
[2:23:49] Speaker 3: So I'd rather have a coach like that the first
[2:23:51] Speaker 3: couple of years and then eventually move on to, like,
[2:23:54] Speaker 3: player coaches types. But if you get a laid-back coach
[2:23:57] Speaker 3: your first couple of years.
[2:23:58] Speaker 1: So bringing you back to the question, what team or
[2:24:00] Speaker 1: coach would you not want your kids to play for?
[2:24:04] Speaker 3: A player, laid-back player coach who you got to be,
[2:24:08] Speaker 3: he fucks with veteran professional type of, you know, guys.
[2:24:13] Speaker 1: Larry Brown, per se, or somebody like that who may
[2:24:15] Speaker 1: not give the younger guys an opportunity.
[2:24:17] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, because he's strict. I don't
[2:24:19] Speaker 3: want a coach that just, there's no practice, right? You
[2:24:23] Speaker 3: don't really got practices like that as you come in
[2:24:25] Speaker 3: and get some shoot around. Nah, like somebody who's dealing with,
[2:24:29] Speaker 3: you know, like a Steve Kerr type, right?
[2:24:31] Speaker 2: He's at the point where... He's done had veterans. They've
[2:24:34] Speaker 2: done one championship.
[2:24:35] Speaker 3: So this blueprint is based off of them.
[2:24:38] Speaker 2: So a young player.
[2:24:38] Speaker 3: So a young player coming in thinking this is the
[2:24:41] Speaker 3: real NBA and you don't know what Curry and Clay
[2:24:45] Speaker 3: did at the beginning of their career.
[2:24:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:24:48] Speaker 3: That's how, you know, players and kids don't develop.
[2:24:51] Speaker 2: Let's move over to Cheryl. I don't know. What team
[2:24:54] Speaker 2: or coach? You don't know?
[2:24:56] Speaker 3: Why? Because you saw. The coach didn't matter, huh? The
[2:25:01] Speaker 3: coach didn't matter, huh?
[2:25:02] Speaker 2: You don't want him to play right now?
[2:25:05] Speaker 4: I don't want him to play right now?
[2:25:06] Speaker 2: That's the coach.
[2:25:07] Speaker 4: You're talking about my son?
[2:25:07] Speaker 2: He was the coach.
[2:25:08] Speaker 3: Of course.
[2:25:09] Speaker 4: I want him to play.
[2:25:10] Speaker 2: He was the coach.
[2:25:10] Speaker 4: No, I was not. I mean, I agree with Gil.
[2:25:14] Speaker 7: Like, if you're asking me to pick a particular coach
[2:25:16] Speaker 7: right now, I'm saying I don't know because I don't know.
[2:25:19] Speaker 7: But I don't want my son playing for someone who
[2:25:24] Speaker 7: is not going to.
[2:25:25] Speaker 4: I said I don't know because I got a map.
[2:25:27] Speaker 7: Like make him that's not very disciplined that, that can't
[2:25:31] Speaker 7: like teach him the game, the fundamentals of it. Like
[2:25:35] Speaker 7: I want him to play for someone who is one
[2:25:37] Speaker 7: going to make him a better player, make him be disciplined,
[2:25:41] Speaker 7: help him grow in the game and just make him
[2:25:44] Speaker 7: an overall, not just a better player, but someone who
[2:25:46] Speaker 7: can actually teach him how to be a better man.
[2:25:50] Speaker 7: Cause I think that's all part of it when you're,
[2:25:52] Speaker 7: when you're playing the game. I don't know who that
[2:25:56] Speaker 7: coach is by name.
[2:25:58] Speaker 1: Okay, so let's shift over to this side of the couch. Mr. B,
[2:26:00] Speaker 1: what team or coach would you not want your kids
[2:26:02] Speaker 1: to play for? Or potentially a trainer you wouldn't want
[2:26:06] Speaker 1: your kids to train with?
[2:26:07] Speaker 2: Definitely not a trainer.
[2:26:09] Speaker 3: Definitely not a trainer. Don't get them going.
[2:26:11] Speaker 2: I'm just messing with you. Don't get them going.
[2:26:14] Speaker 3: Just coach or team.
[2:26:15] Speaker 1: You're like an old school car. Just to crank it up, man.
[2:26:19] Speaker 1: I know how to do it.
[2:26:21] Speaker 3: Hiss, hiss, hiss. Hiss, hiss, hiss. Hiss, hiss, hiss. I was.
[2:26:28] Speaker 2: Just kidding.
[2:26:29] Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
[2:26:30] Speaker 5: What's going on with the trainer sheet?
[2:26:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, but he don't put me in a group chat.
[2:26:40] Speaker 1: Which team or coach would you not want your kids
[2:26:42] Speaker 1: to play for? Your job is to train me. Sacramento Kings.
[2:26:45] Speaker 2: The Sacramento Kings would be the team that you would
[2:26:47] Speaker 2: not want. Yeah, we want to stay away from there.
[2:26:49] Speaker 2: That's a team. That's what he said.
[2:26:53] Speaker 1: Team or coach. Sacramento has seven Chili's in the metropolitan area,
[2:26:57] Speaker 1: just as a reminder.
[2:26:58] Speaker 3: That's fine.
[2:26:59] Speaker 1: Very fine dining experience. Don't want to go to Sacramento.
[2:27:02] Speaker 1: Old school Americana. Death trap. Death trap.
[2:27:06] Speaker 2: Now the Doug Christie's here. Let's move over to Rashad.
[2:27:10] Speaker 2: You're saying the team, not Doug. Just the team. These
[2:27:14] Speaker 2: days you got to separate it. I know you coach here,
[2:27:17] Speaker 2: but not you. Yeah, not you.
[2:27:18] Speaker 3: The team.
[2:27:19] Speaker 1: Sean, what team or coach would you not want your
[2:27:21] Speaker 1: kids to play for?
[2:27:24] Speaker 5: Well, first, I'm going to tell my kids. We ain't
[2:27:28] Speaker 5: playing no damn basketball. We going to the front office.
[2:27:33] Speaker 5: We trying to be next to Michael Rubin and them.
[2:27:36] Speaker 3: Yes. A fanatics fest, if you will. Hey, all that
[2:27:38] Speaker 3: playing and shit. You want to go play?
[2:27:41] Speaker 1: Cool.
[2:27:41] Speaker 5: But we learn how to move these pieces around. Steve
[2:27:45] Speaker 5: Kerr would probably be the only guy that I'm like, eh.
[2:27:49] Speaker 3: Eh. Let's jump him. In the parking lot. Wow. Okay.
[2:27:54] Speaker 2: Interesting.
[2:27:56] Speaker 3: They're going to be coaches.
[2:27:57] Speaker 2: I mean, owners. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not entertaining no more.
[2:28:02] Speaker 2: So we got one final question.
[2:28:03] Speaker 3: No more entertainment. Wait, when you say Sacramento, we know
[2:28:07] Speaker 3: it's not the coach. The team or the city? Both.
[2:28:11] Speaker 2: Team and city. So what if it was Sacramento? Y'all
[2:28:14] Speaker 2: like bringing the beef, though. Y'all just like beef.
[2:28:17] Speaker 1: If the franchise relocated to Oakland, would that change your opinion?
[2:28:21] Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Okay, so it's the city.
[2:28:23] Speaker 4: So it's Sacramento.
[2:28:24] Speaker 1: It's the city. Like, who's going down there to play bingo?
[2:28:26] Speaker 1: Sufficient Sacramento slander for this season.
[2:28:28] Speaker 2: Play bingo.
[2:28:28] Speaker 3: You see how we, you know, so like the Sacramento
[2:28:31] Speaker 3: Kings fans, the basketball fans, we're not talking about y'all.
[2:28:34] Speaker 3: You ain't never played bingo before, bro.
[2:28:36] Speaker 2: I don't want to.
[2:28:36] Speaker 3: You don't know how fun it is. Yeah. You don't know.
[2:28:40] Speaker 2: Wait for that number to.
[2:28:41] Speaker 3: Pull up, bro. B-16. Man, you don't know the feeling
[2:28:44] Speaker 3: of hitting B-16. What?
[2:28:45] Speaker 2: You ain't never said bingo!
[2:28:46] Speaker 3: Woo! See? You don't know the feeling, nigga. Grandma, nigga, 65. Bingo! Man,
[2:28:56] Speaker 3: let's check your ass to the casino. 15,000 she hit for.
[2:28:59] Speaker 2: At the bingo?
[2:29:00] Speaker 3: At the bingo! No.
[2:29:01] Speaker 2: 15,000! No.
[2:29:01] Speaker 3: What?
[2:29:03] Speaker 4: At bingo?
[2:29:04] Speaker 1: 15,000!
[2:29:04] Speaker 3: Wait, hold on, they got bingo? No, they ain't got
[2:29:06] Speaker 3: money like that. Big time bingo! Where? What? Maybe at the... Big, what? B-22,
[2:29:12] Speaker 3: she going crazy. Man, everywhere.
[2:29:14] Speaker 2: They be driving 10, 10, 20... They go.
[2:29:18] Speaker 7: $ 15, 000 and bingo?
[2:29:21] Speaker 3: Bingo!
[2:29:23] Speaker 2: She wore the lucky hat.
[2:29:24] Speaker 3: You don't see the big squeezing.
[2:29:25] Speaker 2: They be squeezing that sit down on that thing, boy.
[2:29:28] Speaker 2: I got my lucky hat on with my beads and
[2:29:30] Speaker 2: all that.
[2:29:32] Speaker 5: You don't even know when she rich. She done hit
[2:29:33] Speaker 5: bingo 17 times this month. An expert bingo player.
[2:29:37] Speaker 1: Let's move on to our next question from underdog user Bromance07. Gil,
[2:29:42] Speaker 1: this question is for you. Bromance07 wants to know, Gil,
[2:29:45] Speaker 1: how crazy was it seeing AI hit your teammate Antonio
[2:29:48] Speaker 1: Daniels with a double crossover in person?
[2:29:50] Speaker 2: We have the video for you to check out. Oh.
[2:29:55] Speaker 1: Oh.
[2:29:55] Speaker 2: Bingo.
[2:30:02] Speaker 13: Bingo.
[2:30:02] Speaker 3: Man, I wish they play it past this.
[2:30:08] Speaker 2: Just tell them.
[2:30:08] Speaker 3: Just tell them what happened. I dunked on Chris Webber
[2:30:16] Speaker 3: and Dallenberg.
[2:30:17] Speaker 2: Oh, right after?
[2:30:18] Speaker 3: Right after. So you dropped him? Oh, then I came
[2:30:21] Speaker 3: down here. Oh, yeah. Oh, so you saved the play? No, no, no, no, no, no, nigga.
[2:30:26] Speaker 2: You saved the play. You saved the play.
[2:30:29] Speaker 3: Can we watch that one more time?
[2:30:31] Speaker 2: Yours was the end one, right?
[2:30:33] Speaker 3: Huh?
[2:30:33] Speaker 5: Was yours the end one? No, it wasn't the end one.
[2:30:34] Speaker 5: So it didn't stop the play. I remember watching it.
[2:30:36] Speaker 1: It was Chris Webber and shit upon many dollars. I
[2:30:41] Speaker 1: do see you going to get the inbounds pass, right?
[2:30:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:30:44] Speaker 2: I'm going to the ball.
[2:30:45] Speaker 3: Fuck, boy. What happened to him, boy?
[2:30:46] Speaker 2: You better get up.
[2:30:47] Speaker 1: Get up.
[2:30:47] Speaker 2: This ain't the first time he done dropped you.
[2:30:50] Speaker 3: All right, damn, man.
[2:30:52] Speaker 2: Damn.
[2:30:52] Speaker 3: All right. He was playing twister.
[2:30:55] Speaker 2: Oh, no, no.
[2:30:56] Speaker 3: The fucked up part is.
[2:30:59] Speaker 2: That's all they did on the bench.
[2:31:01] Speaker 3: Hey, Mac. Remember when I said a dude came in
[2:31:09] Speaker 3: here different? Because we didn't see him on the road. Hey.
[2:31:13] Speaker 3: He started moving a little different after that.
[2:31:20] Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever been the same.
[2:31:22] Speaker 3: The bad part is he's been hit a couple times.
[2:31:27] Speaker 2: No, I think that's when he was cool. It knocked
[2:31:31] Speaker 2: all the cool out of him.
[2:31:32] Speaker 3: When A.I. came in, legs got a little wobbly every time.
[2:31:38] Speaker 2: Every time.
[2:31:38] Speaker 3: So whatever happened early in the career that made the
[2:31:41] Speaker 3: legs a little wobbly so you could get a little jumpy.
[2:31:45] Speaker 5: I just wanted to say though, I wore the USA
[2:31:48] Speaker 5: because it's USA, you know? And it's the type of
[2:31:50] Speaker 5: nigga they're gonna need to beat the Euros. Who wears
[2:31:55] Speaker 5: number nine?
[2:31:56] Speaker 3: Michael Jordan.
[2:31:57] Speaker 5: Yeah, they're gonna need them. And they're not coming through
[2:31:59] Speaker 5: the door, so them Euros gonna have to figure it out.
[2:32:01] Speaker 2: But it's USA.
[2:32:02] Speaker 3: Talking about for the next year, the All-Star game? 2020.
[2:32:06] Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about 2028.
[2:32:11] Speaker 3: You talking about the Olympics.
[2:32:13] Speaker 2: Or the All-Star game? No, no, no, the All-Star game.
[2:32:15] Speaker 2: The world versus the Americans.
[2:32:16] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
[2:32:18] Speaker 2: Head to toe, USA, proud American. Proud.
[2:32:25] Speaker 5: But they have no chance without that man right there,
[2:32:28] Speaker 5: is what you're saying.
[2:32:29] Speaker 2: Money making sense.
[2:32:30] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. He coming back, though.
[2:32:32] Speaker 2: You don't remember? NBC. You didn't get the memo?
[2:32:33] Speaker 3: Oh, NBC, yeah.
[2:32:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike coming back.
[2:32:35] Speaker 3: Mike coming back. Okay, so next year is the gimmick, right?
[2:32:43] Speaker 3: If the USA team beats the world team, Do you
[2:32:48] Speaker 3: think there will be that in 2027? Is that 2027
[2:32:50] Speaker 3: or 2028? No, 2026 is going to happen.
[2:32:53] Speaker 2: The All-Star game.
[2:32:54] Speaker 3: If USA wins, do you think the USA players will win?
[2:33:03] Speaker 3: will want to do it again? What will be the.
[2:33:06] Speaker 5: If the game is close and it's competitive and entertaining.
[2:33:09] Speaker 3: So there's only one... So you're like me. There's only...
[2:33:11] Speaker 3: It has to be one outcome for this to be
[2:33:15] Speaker 3: moving forward.
[2:33:16] Speaker 2: If not, it's just a one-time thing. For sure. And
[2:33:18] Speaker 2: then you're backstuck. Yeah.
[2:33:20] Speaker 5: You're never really backstuck because you know what worked in
[2:33:23] Speaker 5: the past. You can always go back to the original
[2:33:26] Speaker 5: format and try to do that.
[2:33:27] Speaker 2: But nobody liked it then. That's why I was trained.
[2:33:29] Speaker 2: That's why you're experimenting now.
[2:33:33] Speaker 3: You can't go back. You can't go back. You can't
[2:33:36] Speaker 3: go back anymore. Once you do this, whatever happens is
[2:33:39] Speaker 3: if USA wins....
[2:33:43] Speaker 2: They're not going to want to do this again. I mean,
[2:33:45] Speaker 2: fuck all that. That shit is weak.
[2:33:46] Speaker 3: If they win, everybody's like, well, they didn't play hard
[2:33:49] Speaker 3: against them anyway.
[2:33:50] Speaker 2: So what do you do after that? You're going to
[2:33:52] Speaker 2: have to change it up again.
[2:33:55] Speaker 1: U.S.
[2:33:55] Speaker 2: Or international?
[2:33:58] Speaker 3: Right now, I know at least six people that was like, yeah, man,
[2:34:02] Speaker 3: fuck that dumb shit. It's a gimmick.
[2:34:04] Speaker 2: We good.
[2:34:05] Speaker 1: So they're going to have it. The American players? So
[2:34:08] Speaker 1: the Americans are going to concede to the internet. There's
[2:34:11] Speaker 1: two Euros that was like... So the Euros also said...
[2:34:16] Speaker 1: Two of them.
[2:34:17] Speaker 2: So do you just cancel the All-Star game then? If
[2:34:21] Speaker 2: that happens?
[2:34:22] Speaker 5: Because if you're not going to play in this, then
[2:34:24] Speaker 5: that means if we go back, you definitely ain't doing that.
[2:34:26] Speaker 5: You too good to play in this. I'm cool on that.
[2:34:30] Speaker 5: What kind of.
[2:34:31] Speaker 3: Stars we got? Look at it from... Forget the fan standpoint.
[2:34:36] Speaker 3: Look at it from the player standpoint, right?
[2:34:38] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:34:39] Speaker 3: See, we're all talking for what the fans need. Look
[2:34:42] Speaker 3: at it from the player standpoint. It's not like they're
[2:34:46] Speaker 3: asking the committee of possible all-stars, what do y'all want
[2:34:52] Speaker 3: or need for this to be a successful thing? No
[2:34:56] Speaker 3: one's asking them. You're just telling them what it is,
[2:34:59] Speaker 3: and then they're looking at it like, yeah, that shit's weak, right?
[2:35:02] Speaker 3: That's what's going on. So what ends up happening is this.
[2:35:05] Speaker 3: All-Star weekend comes, right? For the player themselves, this is
[2:35:11] Speaker 3: money-making time, right? This is when you're meeting sponsors, going
[2:35:13] Speaker 3: to parties, mingling, doing this, right? The game itself is
[2:35:17] Speaker 3: irrelevant to you. You already got the All-Star nod.
[2:35:20] Speaker 2: Okay. Planning the game.
[2:35:23] Speaker 3: To do what exactly? If I'm not going for the MVP,
[2:35:26] Speaker 3: what am I really there for?
[2:35:27] Speaker 2: Your fans.
[2:35:29] Speaker 3: But again, take the fans out of it. What does
[2:35:32] Speaker 3: the player themselves... That's what I said. You guys keep
[2:35:35] Speaker 3: using fans thinking it's going to make them play harder.
[2:35:39] Speaker 5: But that's the only reason we're having an all-star game
[2:35:41] Speaker 5: is because of the fans.
[2:35:43] Speaker 2: Fan vote. Fan appreciation.
[2:35:45] Speaker 5: Mid-season... celebration for the guys who've been playing well up
[2:35:50] Speaker 5: until this point.
[2:35:51] Speaker 2: This is for the fans to enjoy. That's why we've
[2:35:54] Speaker 2: been hands-off with the experience because they're just trying to
[2:35:58] Speaker 2: entertain the fans. The fans are complaining now, this is
[2:36:02] Speaker 2: not entertaining. Okay, so that's what I'm saying. You're using
[2:36:04] Speaker 2: the fans logic.
[2:36:06] Speaker 3: Now, if you're not going to put yourself in a
[2:36:08] Speaker 3: player's perspective, then you're going to always have this.
[2:36:11] Speaker 2: I came here.
[2:36:12] Speaker 3: I've already did this. Now I'm here enjoying my little weekend,
[2:36:17] Speaker 3: and then I got to get ready for the upcoming
[2:36:20] Speaker 3: season for the name that's here. Right?
[2:36:23] Speaker 2: For the name that's here. We're the number one seed.
[2:36:26] Speaker 3: We're this, this, this. Or we're a bottom seed team
[2:36:29] Speaker 3: trying to get a push.
[2:36:31] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:36:31] Speaker 3: So you want me to come out here after I've
[2:36:34] Speaker 3: been doing all this to go play hard to prove what?
[2:36:38] Speaker 3: I win here. I go out here to do what
[2:36:40] Speaker 3: does not help me in my real life. All-Star is fantasy.
[2:36:46] Speaker 3: It's fantasy. This is not my real life here. I
[2:36:50] Speaker 3: play for the Lakers. The Laker fans need me. Me
[2:36:55] Speaker 3: going out there playing for an all-star group for the
[2:37:00] Speaker 3: fans themselves, that's not in my best interest.
[2:37:02] Speaker 5: It is because your representation of your team as the
[2:37:05] Speaker 5: best player going up against the other team's best players
[2:37:09] Speaker 5: in a game on whose best players are going to win.
[2:37:12] Speaker 2: We want our players. who's on our team, who's representing
[2:37:16] Speaker 2: our team, to look and play as if he would
[2:37:20] Speaker 2: in our regular season.
[2:37:22] Speaker 3: No, you don't. Nothing should change. That's a lie. It's not.
[2:37:24] Speaker 3: Because as a fan, you didn't buy season tickets to
[2:37:27] Speaker 3: the All-Star game. Because they're too expensive. But you bought
[2:37:30] Speaker 3: season tickets to your team. They're affordable. So what happens
[2:37:34] Speaker 3: if your player breaks his leg? In that game, going
[2:37:39] Speaker 3: all extra hard. It's unfortunate. You got a whole city
[2:37:44] Speaker 3: fucked up because of some dumbass All-Star game.
[2:37:46] Speaker 2: Well, he could do it the first game back.
[2:37:48] Speaker 3: He could, but do it on my dollar.
[2:37:50] Speaker 2: So why haven't they took the game out then if
[2:37:52] Speaker 2: that's the risk then? Because they've been doing it.
[2:37:54] Speaker 3: For so long.
[2:37:54] Speaker 2: Because it became a business. So the All-Star game was
[2:37:56] Speaker 2: never really a business? It was a game for the fans.
[2:38:05] Speaker 2: It was a game for recognition first. Now it's big
[2:38:09] Speaker 2: money business now. So it's not like.
[2:38:11] Speaker 3: The NBA themselves can say, all right, let's rip the
[2:38:16] Speaker 3: All-Star game apart. There is too much money involved now.
[2:38:21] Speaker 2: And the players are like, yeah, cool, but. All they
[2:38:24] Speaker 2: ask is.
[2:38:24] Speaker 4: There's too much money involved.
[2:38:25] Speaker 2: What if you made like.
[2:38:27] Speaker 4: Because of that, they can't get rid of it.
[2:38:28] Speaker 2: They can't get rid of it. So why don't you
[2:38:30] Speaker 2: put money up then?
[2:38:31] Speaker 4: Players don't want to play and fans don't.
[2:38:32] Speaker 3: Want to watch.
[2:38:33] Speaker 2: But what if you put bread up?
[2:38:34] Speaker 9: Say you can win, I don't know, say you, the
[2:38:37] Speaker 9: world versus the Americans.
[2:38:39] Speaker 2: You know, it could be $ 3 million, $ 5 million.
[2:38:41] Speaker 3: At the end of the day, at the end of
[2:38:43] Speaker 3: the day, the fans, they're not just pink guys who
[2:38:46] Speaker 3: want to play.
[2:38:47] Speaker 2: They're all guys who do want to play.
[2:38:49] Speaker 3: I was going to say that too. You're picking guys
[2:38:51] Speaker 3: who don't want to play. Why would we pick them? Right.
[2:38:55] Speaker 3: Now list me the.
[2:38:56] Speaker 2: Guys who said, man, I wouldn't be on that shit. Well,
[2:38:59] Speaker 2: leave them niggas off the list and bring me them
[2:39:01] Speaker 2: young motherfuckers and be like, hell yeah.
[2:39:03] Speaker 3: What you mean? Sign me up.
[2:39:04] Speaker 2: And that's the only thing you do.
[2:39:07] Speaker 3: Ask the fans. No, it started in there. Ask the fans.
[2:39:11] Speaker 3: We pick our all-stars. Is it okay that we replace them?
[2:39:15] Speaker 3: They get their awards because this is what it is.
[2:39:17] Speaker 3: The best all-stars. And then do you mind if we
[2:39:21] Speaker 3: pick 24 players that's going to go out there and
[2:39:23] Speaker 3: play hard? They're going to say, no, we can watch
[2:39:25] Speaker 3: regular season for that bullshit.
[2:39:27] Speaker 2: We still want to see LeBron.
[2:39:29] Speaker 3: I still came all the way here to watch LeBron
[2:39:32] Speaker 3: James anyway.
[2:39:33] Speaker 5: No, you just got to figure out a way to
[2:39:34] Speaker 5: convince LeBron James to come in here and play hard.
[2:39:37] Speaker 3: That's all. Cancel it.
[2:39:38] Speaker 2: That's all.
[2:39:38] Speaker 4: That's not going to happen.
[2:39:39] Speaker 3: Exactly.
[2:39:40] Speaker 2: So why would that be a problem for the fan
[2:39:43] Speaker 2: when we need the guy we want to come see
[2:39:45] Speaker 2: play hard, don't want to come play hard? As a fan,
[2:39:48] Speaker 2: all we can do is be like, yo, what's wrong?
[2:39:50] Speaker 2: Come on, bro.
[2:39:51] Speaker 3: We paid for you to come play hard.
[2:39:53] Speaker 5: The other side got to convince this guy, like, yo, look,
[2:39:56] Speaker 5: we know you're.
[2:39:57] Speaker 3: Tired of this.
[2:39:58] Speaker 2: This is your 20th year, and got to find another
[2:40:00] Speaker 2: way to motivate you.
[2:40:01] Speaker 3: But the guys, we want to see you play a
[2:40:03] Speaker 3: little bit harder.
[2:40:03] Speaker 2: Who do?
[2:40:04] Speaker 3: The fans. The fans. Has everybody played harder in the
[2:40:08] Speaker 3: All-Star game, though? Or did they just show or act
[2:40:10] Speaker 3: like it? No, they just, no, they did what they
[2:40:13] Speaker 3: did at the beginning, entertained, and if the game is
[2:40:15] Speaker 3: close at the end, they played harder at the end.
[2:40:17] Speaker 3: Whoever's trying to win an MVP....
[2:40:20] Speaker 2: He's going on. They go hard, right? So for the
[2:40:23] Speaker 2: most part, majority of them go hard.
[2:40:25] Speaker 3: If they're not going to win MVP because it's not
[2:40:27] Speaker 3: the style ain't them, like Jokic probably would never go
[2:40:31] Speaker 3: hard because the game how it's played goes out of
[2:40:34] Speaker 3: his hand and he can't control it the way he plays.
[2:40:36] Speaker 3: So for him, he's probably not going to go as
[2:40:39] Speaker 3: hard as he does for Denver.
[2:40:42] Speaker 2: But the issue is this.
[2:40:45] Speaker 3: Until the game... venue starts taking a hit from the
[2:40:51] Speaker 3: fan base, there's nothing gonna change. See, if 25,000 people
[2:40:59] Speaker 3: that know no one's gonna play hard is showing up,
[2:41:02] Speaker 3: them kids, it's a kid thing, it's a festival.
[2:41:06] Speaker 2: This is a festival.
[2:41:08] Speaker 3: The kids, they're here having fun, seeing all the stars
[2:41:11] Speaker 3: at one place. That's what it really, it's a festival. Yeah,
[2:41:14] Speaker 3: taking pictures, getting- That's all. Right. What you can do is,
[2:41:18] Speaker 3: You have a choice to watch it or not. That's
[2:41:20] Speaker 3: your choice, right? Just like it's their choice for me
[2:41:23] Speaker 3: to spend $ 10, 000 for a seat knowing that they're not
[2:41:26] Speaker 3: going to play hard. That hasn't changed yet. It's still
[2:41:29] Speaker 3: sold out every city. People are driving from city to
[2:41:33] Speaker 3: city every time, right? Only people who's complaining is the
[2:41:37] Speaker 3: people who's watching it on TV.
[2:41:40] Speaker 2: Don't turn it on. We don't.
[2:41:43] Speaker 3: The game is still going to be played. The fans
[2:41:45] Speaker 3: inside are still going to cheer. They're still going to
[2:41:47] Speaker 3: show up. They're still going to be live. The niggas
[2:41:49] Speaker 3: still going to get robbed. Shoes are still going to
[2:41:51] Speaker 3: be sold. The jersey is still going to be sold.
[2:41:53] Speaker 3: They're going to get robbed. Right?
[2:41:55] Speaker 2: They're getting robbed. I guarantee you. I guarantee you. We're
[2:41:59] Speaker 2: getting your pockets, y'all.
[2:42:00] Speaker 3: If the NBA decide to stop showing it on TV,
[2:42:04] Speaker 3: I guarantee you that people start complaining. Oh, man. Well,
[2:42:07] Speaker 3: why are you leaving us out? because you was complaining
[2:42:12] Speaker 3: like you said you didn't want to watch it so
[2:42:13] Speaker 3: we didn't show you but the game itself is not
[2:42:16] Speaker 3: going to change just like the dunk contest went down
[2:42:19] Speaker 3: just like if I'm going to sign you like for
[2:42:21] Speaker 3: a dunk contest if you sign up for the dunk
[2:42:23] Speaker 3: contest you got to be in it for three years
[2:42:25] Speaker 3: unless you're physically hurt And you got to be hurt
[2:42:29] Speaker 3: the last game.
[2:42:31] Speaker 2: Three-point contest, right?
[2:42:33] Speaker 3: It's still names. Why ain't Curry, Klay, Kawhi, Dame, why
[2:42:39] Speaker 3: are y'all not all in it at the same time?
[2:42:43] Speaker 3: That becomes a different game if they're all in it.
[2:42:46] Speaker 3: That gimmick shit they did in Indiana, it was good,
[2:42:51] Speaker 3: but why didn't Curry shoot in the big one with
[2:42:54] Speaker 3: the other guys? Like, we want to see who's the
[2:42:57] Speaker 3: best shooter. Some of these guys that's winning, they're not
[2:43:01] Speaker 3: the best shooter. You're not the best until we see
[2:43:04] Speaker 3: all y'all together going. It was just the best available. Yeah,
[2:43:07] Speaker 3: I don't like the best available.
[2:43:08] Speaker 5: All in all, the complaints we just discussed all result
[2:43:14] Speaker 5: from decreasing viewership, which is why the NBA viewership is down.
[2:43:20] Speaker 5: Because of the All-Star game being the number one catalyst for,
[2:43:24] Speaker 5: I don't want to.
[2:43:24] Speaker 3: Watch this shit.
[2:43:25] Speaker 8: So the viewership is down all year because of that?
[2:43:29] Speaker 8: Not because of it. Just maybe a slight contributor. Just
[2:43:32] Speaker 8: putting it out there. If the numbers are down at
[2:43:35] Speaker 8: the All-Star, trying to figure it out, got to figure
[2:43:37] Speaker 8: it out around the board.
[2:43:38] Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying, because it's down, it's down.
[2:43:43] Speaker 2: So we need to figure it out.
[2:43:43] Speaker 5: Get these guys out here playing, doing something, because this
[2:43:46] Speaker 5: little gimmick that we're about to pull, probably going to
[2:43:48] Speaker 5: pull in more viewers than anything, because it's a gimmick.
[2:43:51] Speaker 3: Pull in for the first year. And then what I'm
[2:43:54] Speaker 3: saying is what like anything gimmicky and new is good
[2:43:58] Speaker 3: the first year. It's how do you sustain it? That's
[2:44:01] Speaker 3: the that's the issue here. How do you sustain? You're
[2:44:04] Speaker 3: not fixing the problem. The problem is they as a
[2:44:09] Speaker 3: collective group are not playing hard. How do you fix that?
[2:44:15] Speaker 3: You thinking their egos is going to get excited because
[2:44:19] Speaker 3: they're playing against the country? Like, these two are competitors
[2:44:23] Speaker 3: going for MVP. They're not playing against each other hard. Like,
[2:44:27] Speaker 3: just because you put a group of world players together, oh,
[2:44:30] Speaker 3: we're doing this for our country. The 90% of the
[2:44:32] Speaker 3: people that are doing it for our country don't even
[2:44:34] Speaker 3: play on a USA team.
[2:44:36] Speaker 2: What the fuck?
[2:44:38] Speaker 3: They don't even play on the USAT. Like, you're never
[2:44:40] Speaker 3: going to fucking pick me. Like, you think Jalen Brown
[2:44:42] Speaker 3: is going to be like, oh, yeah, you're Rose. I'm
[2:44:44] Speaker 3: going to go play hard and go for my country. No, nigga,
[2:44:46] Speaker 3: y'all ain't picking me on that team.
[2:44:47] Speaker 2: Fuck you.
[2:44:49] Speaker 5: When the heat is on and motherfuckers is watching, it's
[2:44:52] Speaker 5: a different type of challenge. Like, look, we about to
[2:44:54] Speaker 5: play y'all, yeah, just like the group chat shit, right?
[2:44:57] Speaker 5: If you don't respond in the group chat, you a punk.
[2:45:00] Speaker 5: He say he going to wipe you. Yeah, what you
[2:45:02] Speaker 5: going to do? Hey, that's what they said. They said
[2:45:05] Speaker 5: that the USA team ain't got a damn chance. Hey,
[2:45:08] Speaker 5: Jalen and Jason, what y'all going to do? What y'all
[2:45:10] Speaker 5: think about that? We will find out.
[2:45:13] Speaker 2: Drew Hamlin. Soon enough, February 26th.
[2:45:15] Speaker 3: I mean, they had the Euro team. What you think
[2:45:19] Speaker 3: about that, Drew? Drew Hamlin and.
[2:45:21] Speaker 2: Brandon said you can't fuck with him at all.
[2:45:25] Speaker 3: Charles Barkley had the USA team. He had the Euro team.
[2:45:28] Speaker 3: And he said it. I'm going with the Euro. He
[2:45:30] Speaker 3: said it out loud. I'm going with the Euros. Charles Barkley,
[2:45:34] Speaker 3: look at his team. I'm going with the Euros.
[2:45:38] Speaker 2: We will find out. February 20, 26.
[2:45:40] Speaker 1: That is a good place for us to stop today.
[2:45:44] Speaker 2: Appreciate everybody in the chat.
[2:45:45] Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody on this couch for another spirited discussion. Shout
[2:45:48] Speaker 1: out to Fanatic CKO Michael Rubin. Make sure y'all pull
[2:45:51] Speaker 1: up to Fanatic's Fan Fest. June 20 to 22. We
[2:45:54] Speaker 1: will see who wins the push-up battle between him and Shot.
[2:45:57] Speaker 2: Who's going to hold the push-ups.
[2:45:59] Speaker 1: But this has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented
[2:46:02] Speaker 1: by Underdog.
[2:46:03] Speaker 3: We will see y'all tomorrow.

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