# Gil's Arena CELEBRATES The Knicks NBA Championship

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 15 Jun 2026, 2 h 01 min.

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Gil's Arena CELEBRATES The New York Knicks NBA Championship as the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to the New York Knicks taking down the San Antonio Spurs to win their first championship in over 50 years and proved they were the best team in the NBA this season. They give their biggest takeaways from a thrilling Game 5 where the Spurs tricked off another winable game to lose the championship and break down Jalen Brunson's incredible run as the leader of this championship team, capturing the NBA Finals MVP award and sparking a debate on if he's the greatest Knick of all time. Next, they give a post mortum on the San Antonio Spurs as the young core fell short on the game's biggest stage and discuss what this loss means for Victor Wembanyama as the Alien will look to get back in the lab after failing to win his first NBA title. Finally, they break down what the future holds for key figures like Dylan Harper, De'Aaron Fox and Mitch Johnson and debate if either team should make major moves to get back into the NBA Finals and spark a run at a dynasty. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code ARENA and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogsports.com/vgwg/... SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:56 Skip Breaks Out The Alien Remains 0:04:17 Gil's Arena Celebrates The Knicks Championship 0:12:26 Jalen Brunson Wins Finals MVP 0:29:57 Is Jalen Brunson The Greatest Knick Ever 1:04:00 Wemby & The Spurs Go Out Sorry 1:12:03 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa. Yeah.
[0:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[0:10] Speaker 1: Bing bong. Yeah. Facts.
[0:15] Speaker 3: Actual factuals all here, son. Actual factuals all the day, son.
[0:20] Speaker 1: You smell it? It smell like croissants in here, y'all.
[0:23] Speaker 1: I'm smoking. Yeah. A wimpy pack? Yeah, yeah. A wimpy pack? Okay.
[0:26] Speaker 1: A little tea. Okay.
[0:28] Speaker 4: But this is Gills and Reader presented by Underdog. I'm
[0:31] Speaker 4: merely an award-winning host, Josiah Johnson. We're joined by NBA
[0:34] Speaker 4: champion of the world, Swaggy P, Nick Young, in the building.
[0:39] Speaker 1: Honorary New York Nick. Honorary New York Nick. Nick's in five.
[0:43] Speaker 1: Tell me about it. See you next to.
[0:45] Speaker 4: Swaggy representing Tough Crowd. Tough Crowd Golf, Tough Crowd University,
[0:49] Speaker 4: and the Card-Carrying Country Club. Remember, we got Mr. B,
[0:51] Speaker 4: Brandon Jennings.
[0:55] Speaker 1: We'll be looking summer-ready.
[0:58] Speaker 4: On this side of the couch, we got the distinguished
[1:00] Speaker 4: gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick, Kenyon Martin.
[1:03] Speaker 1: Back here with.
[1:06] Speaker 5: Us.
[1:06] Speaker 1: What's happening, Mike?
[1:08] Speaker 4: Last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry,
[1:10] Speaker 4: NCAA champion of the world, Dr.
[1:11] Speaker 1: Rashad McCants, PhD. Yeah! It's a little light. That was easy.
[1:18] Speaker 1: It's a little light in the arena right now. That
[1:20] Speaker 1: was easy. A little light in here. Finish him. A
[1:24] Speaker 1: seat missing. Keep talking while I'm doing my shit, man.
[1:27] Speaker 1: You just lost respect, huh? I'm sorry. I didn't know
[1:29] Speaker 1: it was going to be all three. You got some
[1:30] Speaker 1: other shit going on, huh? He's like a ghost. Do
[1:33] Speaker 1: it again. Do it again. Do it again. You see
[1:35] Speaker 1: what we on, man. Do it again. All right. I
[1:38] Speaker 1: didn't know it was going to be all three, Dr. McCants.
[1:42] Speaker 1: Appreciate that. And a ball. It's a little light here
[1:48] Speaker 1: in the arena. Where Skip at? Uh-oh. That's a XLT
[2:00] Speaker 1: body bag. That's kind of heavy.
[2:02] Speaker 2: It's kind of heavy. Don't tell anybody, but I have
[2:07] Speaker 2: the remains of an alien in here. I talked to
[2:11] Speaker 2: the people at NASA, and they said they're going to
[2:13] Speaker 2: try to get it back to wherever it came from,
[2:16] Speaker 2: but I'm just going to give you a little glimpse
[2:18] Speaker 2: of this poor creature right now.
[2:21] Speaker 1: Punch him in the face, tell him, welcome to Earth, Skip.
[2:28] Speaker 1: Poor creature.
[2:29] Speaker 6: What a creature.
[2:34] Speaker 2: Poor thing. I don't know what happened. Maybe Rashad can
[2:38] Speaker 2: give it a proper earth burial.
[2:41] Speaker 1: I don't know. Birth burial? Oh, yeah. Nick said. Hey. Speak.
[2:52] Speaker 1: What up, Skip? What up, baby?
[2:57] Speaker 3: Where are my New York Knicks at? Jalen Bronson coming
[3:04] Speaker 3: Delta at. When we have a win, worry about that.
[3:09] Speaker 1: Good song, Swaggy. You like that?
[3:13] Speaker 4: That's hard. Why don't you stand up and twerk too, nigga?
[3:16] Speaker 1: See the song? Oh, yeah. Win that chip. Win that chip.
[3:21] Speaker 1: Win that chip. Win that chip. Win that. I'm a
[3:24] Speaker 1: little hurt today. Look, look, look. We got a lot
[3:27] Speaker 1: to get into. I got back from New York, nigga.
[3:28] Speaker 1: What you talking about? You went fast. Yeah, I do.
[3:33] Speaker 4: Concrete jungle where dreams are made of. We got a
[3:38] Speaker 4: lot to discuss. Here's what's cracking in Gil's arena today.
[3:41] Speaker 4: The Knicks delivered another comeback in game five to get
[3:44] Speaker 4: the gentlemen's sweep. take home their first chip since 1973.
[3:49] Speaker 4: Did we just witness one of the greatest playoff runs
[3:51] Speaker 4: in NBA history? New York, now the eighth different team
[3:55] Speaker 4: to win the chip in the last eight seasons. But
[3:57] Speaker 4: should the Knicks run it back with this squad next year?
[4:01] Speaker 4: And the Spurs reached their first final since 2014. What
[4:03] Speaker 4: changes does San Antonio need to make if they want
[4:06] Speaker 4: to get over the hump next season? But before we
[4:08] Speaker 4: get into all that, as always, this show is brought
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[4:32] Speaker 4: your podcasts. So let's get off to the biggest story
[4:35] Speaker 4: of the weekend. I know you guys are all ready
[4:37] Speaker 4: to do it. Spurs blew a 29-point lead in Game
[4:40] Speaker 4: 4 as the Knicks outscored them 58-30 in the second
[4:43] Speaker 4: half with O.J. Ananobi's tip-in with 1.2 seconds left lifting
[4:46] Speaker 4: New York to a 3-1 series lead heading back to
[4:48] Speaker 4: San Antonio for Game 5. It was the biggest comeback
[4:51] Speaker 4: in NBA Finals history and the Knicks' fifth win when
[4:54] Speaker 4: being down 20-plus points in the past two playoffs. San
[4:57] Speaker 4: Antonio had their backs against the wall, but Wimby's confidence
[5:00] Speaker 4: in his squad was unwavering with the French phenom saying,
[5:03] Speaker 4: everybody knows we're going to do it. He was just
[5:09] Speaker 4: talking about the Spurs. What are you supposed to say?
[5:10] Speaker 4: We're about to get smoked. He was asked that if
[5:13] Speaker 4: he thought the Stars still believed they could win the series.
[5:15] Speaker 4: San Antonio put up a fight at their crib, even
[5:18] Speaker 4: though the arena was overtaken by a sea of orange
[5:21] Speaker 4: and blue. But Jalen Brunson delivered another historic performance to
[5:25] Speaker 4: prove to the basketball world that a little guard could
[5:27] Speaker 4: lead his squad to the chip. Let's take a look
[5:30] Speaker 4: at the highlights, if we can, please. So for the
[5:35] Speaker 4: fifth straight game, the Spurs dominated the first quarter, becoming
[5:38] Speaker 4: the first team in the play-by-play era to lead five
[5:41] Speaker 4: finals games by double digits.
[5:44] Speaker 1: In that first quarter.
[5:44] Speaker 4: Wimby and Dylan Harper combined for 13 points in the
[5:46] Speaker 4: first frame with the Alien also coming through with three
[5:49] Speaker 4: of his five blocks. Jalen Brunson and O.J. Ananobi scored
[5:52] Speaker 4: all 13 of New York's points going to combine. Four
[5:55] Speaker 4: for 11 from the field. The rest of the Knicks
[5:57] Speaker 4: were 0 for 11 in the first frame as New
[5:59] Speaker 4: York missed 16 of their first 18 shots. Spurs led
[6:02] Speaker 4: by as much as 16 in the second quarter before
[6:04] Speaker 4: falling victim to yet another Knicks rally. 22-9 run late
[6:09] Speaker 4: in the second quarter got New York within three But
[6:12] Speaker 4: Devin Vassell got a bucket before the half ended to
[6:14] Speaker 4: give San Antonio a 42-37 lead at the break.
[6:18] Speaker 1: The 79 combined.
[6:19] Speaker 4: Points in the first half were the lowest in a
[6:21] Speaker 4: finals game since Game 7 of Lakers-Celtics back in 2010.
[6:24] Speaker 4: And the 31.8 combined shooting percentage was the lowest in
[6:29] Speaker 4: the first half of a finals game in the play-by-play era.
[6:32] Speaker 6: So both teams found their offense in the third quarter.
[6:40] Speaker 4: Combining for 58 points with the Spurs going on an
[6:43] Speaker 4: 11-2 run early in the third frame to increase their
[6:45] Speaker 4: lead to 12. But like these Knicks have done, they
[6:48] Speaker 4: battled back. Spurs went on another run to increase their
[6:50] Speaker 4: lead to 15 with a little over three minutes remaining
[6:53] Speaker 4: in the quarter. But New York ended the third quarter
[6:55] Speaker 4: with a 12-4 run to get to within seven heading
[6:58] Speaker 4: into that final frame. So Spurs have four players in
[7:01] Speaker 4: double figures led by Dylan Harper who came through with
[7:03] Speaker 4: 25 points on 10-19 shooting off the bench when we
[7:06] Speaker 4: put up 19 points. 14 boards and five blocks, but
[7:08] Speaker 4: with seven of 19 from the field, one for six
[7:11] Speaker 4: from distance, and Julian Champagne and Devin Vassell combined for
[7:14] Speaker 4: 26 points. De'Aaron Fox and Stephon Castle struggled in this one.
[7:19] Speaker 4: Fox had just seven points and five assists on three
[7:21] Speaker 4: of 15 shooting. Castle finished with six points on one
[7:24] Speaker 4: of 10 shooting.
[7:25] Speaker 1: You see Josh Hart out here doing it.
[7:30] Speaker 4: The Nova Knicks doing their thing. Knicks trail by as
[7:33] Speaker 4: much as 10 in the fourth quarter. until Jalen Brunson
[7:36] Speaker 4: proved once again why he's not only the king of
[7:38] Speaker 4: New York, but the king of the fourth quarter. The
[7:40] Speaker 4: Knicks captain scored 15 of his 45 points in the
[7:43] Speaker 4: final period, setting the Knicks finals record time. Michael Jordan
[7:46] Speaker 4: for the most points in a series-clinching finals road win.
[7:49] Speaker 4: Mikael Bridges added 14 on 5 of 10 shooting. Josh
[7:52] Speaker 4: Hart had 13 and 11 boards. Nova Knicks combined for
[7:55] Speaker 4: 72 of the team's 94 points. OG Ananobi had 11
[7:59] Speaker 4: and 8 boards. And Cat finished with just 2 points
[8:02] Speaker 4: and 10 rebounds. before fouling out of the game. New
[8:06] Speaker 4: York went on a 15-2 run to take control of
[8:08] Speaker 4: the game, with Brunson scoring 13 straight in that stretch.
[8:13] Speaker 4: Then after Dylan Harper tied the game up, the captain
[8:17] Speaker 4: came through with a floater. And then with the Knicks
[8:21] Speaker 4: up two, Dylan Harper had a chance to tie the game.
[8:25] Speaker 4: Smoked the layup like Josh Hart did earlier.
[8:27] Speaker 1: In the series. Knicks were still up two.
[8:31] Speaker 4: With 11 seconds remaining, almost got the turnover. Mikael Bridges
[8:34] Speaker 4: got to the line. Made one or two free throws.
[8:38] Speaker 4: They got the offensive rebound. Then OG went back to
[8:40] Speaker 4: the line to put them up four.
[8:41] Speaker 1: Sealing the win for the New York Knickerbockers. Knickerbocker, please.
[8:46] Speaker 4: Their first championship since 1973. Knicks improved to 4-0 in
[8:48] Speaker 4: closeout games this postseason.
[8:50] Speaker 1: Winning them all on the road.
[9:02] Speaker 4: So the Knicks captain was overcome with emotion after ending
[9:05] Speaker 4: New York's championship drought while taking home his first finals MVP.
[9:09] Speaker 1: You're a champion. What is this moment feeling like to you?
[9:16] Speaker 1: Holy shit. Take your time. Take your time.
[9:23] Speaker 2: Wait a long time for this.
[9:27] Speaker 1: I got no words. Everything I ever dreamed of. You're
[9:35] Speaker 1: obviously feeling a lot of emotions.
[9:37] Speaker 2: Can you tell me just what you're feeling?
[9:41] Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm feeling. I'm just like, I'm
[9:46] Speaker 1: in awe. I don't know.
[9:50] Speaker 3: Whenever someone counters out, we find a way to come
[9:52] Speaker 3: back and do something about it.
[9:54] Speaker 1: My confidence comes from my work ethic.
[9:57] Speaker 4: Every time I got the ball, all I could think
[9:59] Speaker 4: about is all the hours in the summer, for every
[10:03] Speaker 4: summer I had since I ever could remember, making.
[10:07] Speaker 1: This a reality.
[10:09] Speaker 5: So, whenever I had the ball, I'm just thinking about
[10:11] Speaker 5: just me alone in the gym.
[10:14] Speaker 4: So with their first chip since 1973, the Knicks snapped
[10:16] Speaker 4: the longest drought between titles for any team in NBA history.
[10:20] Speaker 1: That's why I think we'll start with you. You talking
[10:23] Speaker 1: about me today?
[10:23] Speaker 4: I see the money crown. I see the Brunson and
[10:26] Speaker 4: Anobi jersey.
[10:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:28] Speaker 3: You know, see, looking at that, like, this is biblical
[10:31] Speaker 3: right here, man. This is going down in the Bible,
[10:34] Speaker 3: the next testimony, next testament.
[10:37] Speaker 1: The book of Brunson. The book of Brunson. It's like
[10:40] Speaker 1: David and Goliath.
[10:42] Speaker 3: This 5'11 beats the 8-footer with a rock, baby.
[10:46] Speaker 1: With a rock. You know? But it's a ball.
[10:50] Speaker 3: Bronson is right now the most important player in basketball
[10:53] Speaker 3: right now, bringing the championship to New York. Having been done.
[10:58] Speaker 3: This is one of the best finals I've seen in
[11:03] Speaker 3: a while.
[11:06] Speaker 1: Yeah. You got to give it up to the whole team.
[11:09] Speaker 1: Nobody can't.
[11:10] Speaker 3: Thought they was going to win coming into this series.
[11:12] Speaker 3: The Vegas had them, had the Spurs favorite. But I'm
[11:18] Speaker 3: on my McCants stuff. I picked the Spurs. It was
[11:21] Speaker 3: my team. I mean, I picked the New York.
[11:24] Speaker 1: It was my team. Only I seen it. The Knicks
[11:26] Speaker 1: were your team. Yeah.
[11:27] Speaker 3: The Knicks in six, but they won in five. You know,
[11:30] Speaker 3: the Knicks did something magical. They lost, what, three games
[11:34] Speaker 3: the whole playoff? 16-3 this postseason.
[11:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the.
[11:39] Speaker 3: Best performances we've seen. One of the most exciting games
[11:41] Speaker 3: we've seen in the game four. Come back 29. OG tipping.
[11:46] Speaker 3: You know, you got to give it up to the
[11:49] Speaker 3: Knicks for what they did. I told you, they all
[11:51] Speaker 3: deserve that starting five deserve a statue. Because they're starting
[11:54] Speaker 3: five now. Yeah, Brunton deserves a statue everywhere in New York.
[12:00] Speaker 1: All five boroughs. All five boroughs, yeah. But they all
[12:03] Speaker 1: deserve like a statue. A statue.
[12:06] Speaker 3: It did something people haven't seen in a while. And
[12:10] Speaker 3: for New York, you know what that means. The seating
[12:14] Speaker 3: got burned down almost.
[12:15] Speaker 1: A lot of stabbings.
[12:16] Speaker 3: People have been waiting for it. So, yeah, shout out
[12:20] Speaker 3: to New York.
[12:21] Speaker 4: All right, Mr. B, let's shift over to you, a
[12:23] Speaker 4: former New York Knick. What are your biggest takeaways from
[12:26] Speaker 4: the Knicks' Game 5 win to take home their first
[12:28] Speaker 4: chip since 1973?
[12:29] Speaker 6: Shout out Mike Brown for everything that he's done this year.
[12:36] Speaker 6: I saw him in Vegas last summer and was happy
[12:40] Speaker 6: for him for getting the job, and I knew he
[12:42] Speaker 6: would do big things, but also just the Knicks in general.
[12:46] Speaker 6: Last year when they lost, they went to the club.
[12:49] Speaker 6: They had a sign that said they would be the
[12:50] Speaker 6: champs coming up next year, and they manifested, and it happened.
[12:56] Speaker 1: Shout-out Cat. I know it was a tough little stretch.
[12:59] Speaker 6: During the season after winning the cup, But they were
[13:03] Speaker 6: able to fight, fight through it. And as a championship team,
[13:06] Speaker 6: you know, you go through things during the season. But
[13:08] Speaker 6: to be able to make the adjustments, to be able
[13:10] Speaker 6: to stick with the game plan, Jalen Brussens has proven
[13:14] Speaker 6: that a short guard can win the NBA championship since
[13:17] Speaker 6: Isaiah Thomas. OG, he played unbelievable. Josh Hart, you know,
[13:23] Speaker 6: he had his guys that he had in college, you know,
[13:28] Speaker 6: on the same road with him for NBA finals. So
[13:31] Speaker 6: it's a beautiful thing to watch. Yeah, stuff like that
[13:35] Speaker 6: don't happen. No, no, not at all. So, you know,
[13:38] Speaker 6: for the city of New York, you know, I'm happy
[13:40] Speaker 6: for them, and I'm just happy for that team. You know,
[13:42] Speaker 6: they fought through it all, man, so that's all I
[13:44] Speaker 6: can say on that.
[13:44] Speaker 4: All right, let's shift over to this side to the
[13:47] Speaker 4: couch of another former New York Knick, the distinguished gentleman
[13:49] Speaker 4: from Oak Cliff, Canyon Martin. Biggest takeaways from the Knicks
[13:52] Speaker 4: getting their first championship in 53 years?
[13:55] Speaker 1: No, they willed it. The New York Knicks willed it.
[14:00] Speaker 4: They.
[14:02] Speaker 1: Their leader, Jalen Brunson, has been that size for a
[14:06] Speaker 1: long time. He's been looked over because of his height
[14:11] Speaker 1: and size for a long time. So the team took
[14:13] Speaker 1: on that identity, I think, that underdogs mentality. And to
[14:18] Speaker 1: only lose three games throughout the playoffs, do it in
[14:21] Speaker 1: the fashion that you do, come back each game double-digit
[14:27] Speaker 1: says a lot about you as a team, says a
[14:29] Speaker 1: lot about your leader. and Jalen Bronson. He's a winner.
[14:34] Speaker 1: He's a winner. And the people of New York deserve it.
[14:40] Speaker 1: It's been a long time. It was an exciting game,
[14:45] Speaker 1: exciting series. You saw a team that in the Spurs
[14:54] Speaker 1: that that, that, that youth showed it, showed itself. He
[15:00] Speaker 1: read his ugly head in this series. Right. Um, but
[15:05] Speaker 1: that's a testament to the way the Knicks didn't stop,
[15:08] Speaker 1: didn't quit, didn't waver in their approach. Um, no matter
[15:12] Speaker 1: the score, no matter what the situation was, they didn't waver. Um,
[15:16] Speaker 1: that's how you were able to come back from double
[15:17] Speaker 1: digits in each game. But like I said, it was
[15:20] Speaker 1: a bad trend, but they, they overcame it. Right. Um, But, yeah, no,
[15:25] Speaker 1: it's a good thing, man. The first one since 73,
[15:27] Speaker 1: I think it's awesome for the Knicks, awesome for the city.
[15:32] Speaker 1: And once again, to reiterate what Brandon said, shout out
[15:35] Speaker 1: to Mike Brown, man, for being the one to get
[15:38] Speaker 1: it done. You know, for being the one to come
[15:42] Speaker 1: into that situation of all the turmoil that's happened over
[15:45] Speaker 1: the years, the carousel of coaches that's been in and
[15:50] Speaker 1: out of there. Mike Brown to be the one to
[15:54] Speaker 1: write that ship speaks volume to him his basketball savvy
[15:59] Speaker 1: his basketball IQ and yeah so for them guys to
[16:04] Speaker 1: buy in to what he was preaching speaks volume to
[16:09] Speaker 1: him as a coach so shout out to him and
[16:11] Speaker 1: his whole coaching staff great win and looking forward to
[16:17] Speaker 1: what's next.
[16:19] Speaker 4: Mike Brown got swept by the Spurs with the Cavs, 2007,
[16:22] Speaker 4: comes back 2026, hits the Knicks.
[16:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, redemption. Hits the Spurs, the gentlemen sweep with the Knicks. Yeah.
[16:29] Speaker 1: Let's shift over to you, Dr. McCants. You were rolling
[16:33] Speaker 1: with the Knicks, predicted a Knicks-Spurs final. Please don't say that.
[16:36] Speaker 1: Excuse me, excuse me. No, no, no. Dot, dot, dot.
[16:39] Speaker 4: Until an unfortunate incident at the NBA Cup, an alleged
[16:43] Speaker 4: thumb in the booty.
[16:45] Speaker 1: Shifted.
[16:46] Speaker 4: You went all in on maybe I'm one of your
[16:48] Speaker 4: biggest takeaways from this game five win over the Spurs.
[16:53] Speaker 4: Gentlemen sweep to get their first chip since 1973. Nothing
[16:57] Speaker 4: but praise. You know, you can't do nothing but give
[17:00] Speaker 4: the Knicks the credit that is due to them for
[17:03] Speaker 4: all the years that they've been mercilessly ridiculed for not
[17:07] Speaker 4: being able to get back to where the city wants
[17:10] Speaker 4: them to be and the delusional fans as it was
[17:13] Speaker 4: out there praising nicks and trying to get the nicks
[17:15] Speaker 4: to get back to where they are they're now not
[17:17] Speaker 4: delusional anymore stephen a smith now has a reason to
[17:20] Speaker 4: cheer and josh smith has a reason to cheer and
[17:24] Speaker 4: all the new york fans over the years from cam
[17:27] Speaker 4: mace to fat joe to all of the the nicks
[17:31] Speaker 4: celebrities and all of that everything is beautiful for for
[17:35] Speaker 4: new york right now and uh You got to give
[17:37] Speaker 4: credit where credit is due.
[17:38] Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson, like I've been saying for the last two years,
[17:41] Speaker 5: is a champion. He knows what to do, how to
[17:43] Speaker 5: do it, get it done. And I think the biggest
[17:46] Speaker 5: credit to me is William Wesley, Leon Rose, going in
[17:51] Speaker 5: and making the decision to get a new coach that
[17:54] Speaker 5: actually transitioned the team.
[17:56] Speaker 1: Who was a championship caliber team the year they lost.
[18:00] Speaker 5: Unfortunately, you know, guys went down and they weren't able
[18:05] Speaker 5: to beat the Pacers. And seeing that they changed coaches
[18:09] Speaker 5: and got back to the same position to take it
[18:11] Speaker 5: over the top is amazing. So credit the executives to
[18:14] Speaker 5: making that hard decision and even going to get rid
[18:17] Speaker 5: of Julius Randle and get Cat.
[18:19] Speaker 1: That was a big move. So much praise to all
[18:24] Speaker 1: of the New.
[18:24] Speaker 5: York Knicks, from Mitchell Robinson to Landry Shamit to what's the.
[18:31] Speaker 4: European kid, Kolick? They played good during the season.
[18:36] Speaker 5: When guys were down, Shamit was down. There's so many
[18:39] Speaker 5: different moving parts to that championship team, and you got
[18:43] Speaker 5: to give credit where credit is due, and got to
[18:45] Speaker 5: do that. Even though they were down and seemed to
[18:49] Speaker 5: be in trouble most of the series, but they was
[18:52] Speaker 5: always ready to rally back, and that's what an experienced
[18:54] Speaker 5: team does.
[18:55] Speaker 1: So congratulations to.
[18:56] Speaker 5: The New York Knicks. Congratulations. Not going to take no credit.
[19:02] Speaker 5: for being right again. So.
[19:05] Speaker 1: I don't think you can. I think you're that bad.
[19:08] Speaker 1: I don't think you can take credit for this. Wee wee. Yeah,
[19:13] Speaker 1: you can't take credit for this one. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
[19:17] Speaker 1: Ain't no haters gonna allow me to take credit for it.
[19:19] Speaker 5: They teams lost early. All they teams lost early. They
[19:23] Speaker 5: had to watch me celebrate. Y'all still gonna watch. It
[19:26] Speaker 5: don't matter what you say. It don't matter what you do.
[19:32] Speaker 5: Seven months ago, I got the video. So it don't matter.
[19:37] Speaker 1: The Holy Dirt. Don't matter. Go ahead.
[19:39] Speaker 2: I got the video of the embryo of the alien
[19:41] Speaker 2: that you brought in here.
[19:43] Speaker 1: Yeah. Alien embryo.
[19:43] Speaker 5: Because we beat your team. That's the only reason I
[19:46] Speaker 5: bought it. Just because your team is no longer.
[19:49] Speaker 1: Part of that. You did do that. equation. That's it. Yeah.
[19:52] Speaker 1: Let's shift over to you, Skip.
[19:53] Speaker 4: What are the biggest takeaways from winning this championship, five
[19:56] Speaker 4: games in San Antonio?
[20:00] Speaker 2: So I've been covering the league that you all played
[20:04] Speaker 2: in at such a high level. for a minute, for
[20:08] Speaker 2: a long minute. I've been covering the NBA and the
[20:11] Speaker 2: finals going back to the late 1970s, how far back
[20:15] Speaker 2: I go. And I have never, ever seen anything like
[20:21] Speaker 2: this Knicks team. I have never seen anything like the
[20:26] Speaker 2: leader of this team. And I do like your David
[20:29] Speaker 2: Goliath metaphor. That's what happened. With a slingshot, And a basketball.
[20:37] Speaker 1: Right.
[20:38] Speaker 2: He felled this poor creature that's in this bag. And
[20:44] Speaker 2: he was by far the shortest man on the floor.
[20:47] Speaker 2: And you said 5'11. I'm not sure he's more than 5'11.
[20:50] Speaker 2: I'm not. But boy, he plays big when it's time.
[20:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[20:56] Speaker 2: And he kept down the stretch of all five games
[21:01] Speaker 2: out playing by far the tallest man on the floor.
[21:04] Speaker 2: every single way possible. And I do want to congratulate
[21:11] Speaker 2: publicly my brother, Stephen A., and our producer, Rob, who's
[21:16] Speaker 2: lifelong diehard Knicks, and my wife, Ernestine, who grew up
[21:20] Speaker 2: in New York City, and she's lifelong diehard Knicks. And
[21:24] Speaker 2: I've never seen any of those folks any happier than
[21:28] Speaker 2: they were on Saturday night because they just couldn't believe
[21:32] Speaker 2: it happened. And I get it because even as I
[21:35] Speaker 2: speak right now, it's still hard to believe how it
[21:39] Speaker 2: happened the way it happened. The Knicks were down two
[21:43] Speaker 2: games to one to the Atlanta Hawks. And some deep
[21:49] Speaker 2: switch got flipped and the script got flipped on its
[21:53] Speaker 2: head and they took off through the East. And I
[21:56] Speaker 2: know it was just the East and we can all
[21:58] Speaker 2: be skeptical of the competition in the East, but they
[22:01] Speaker 2: rampaged over that competition. They won three straight playoff series
[22:06] Speaker 2: in the East with a road closeout game in which
[22:10] Speaker 2: they averaged winning by 39 points in those three closeouts
[22:14] Speaker 2: on the road. And then they set, for the whole playoffs,
[22:19] Speaker 2: they didn't just set it, they obliterated the point differential
[22:22] Speaker 2: record for the history of the NBA playoff runs. They went.
[22:30] Speaker 2: By 53 points, they were plus 283 over their whole
[22:34] Speaker 2: playoff run, and Golden State in 2017 was plus 250.
[22:38] Speaker 2: So they shattered that record by 53 points. But then
[22:42] Speaker 2: we get to the finals, and as you guys well know,
[22:48] Speaker 2: I love what Jalen Brunson said after the game, it's
[22:51] Speaker 2: like the Every game started at 8.30 and we didn't
[22:54] Speaker 2: show up until 9 o'clock. And that's exactly what, and
[22:57] Speaker 2: it almost started to feel like they were just toying
[22:59] Speaker 2: with them. Like, let's just, they can do this. The
[23:02] Speaker 2: Spurs set the all-time finals and playoff record for first
[23:07] Speaker 2: quarter point differential. So they were the, I kept saying,
[23:10] Speaker 2: they're the fastest starting team I've ever seen in all
[23:13] Speaker 2: my years covering playoffs. And the Knicks.
[23:16] Speaker 1: Are like, and?
[23:19] Speaker 2: Watch, watch this. And the Knicks outscored them by 26
[23:24] Speaker 2: points in the five fourth quarters. And then just a
[23:29] Speaker 2: quick look at the closeout game five. This is in
[23:33] Speaker 2: San Antonio. There's no way that the Spurs are going
[23:38] Speaker 2: to lose three finals games at home.
[23:40] Speaker 1: There's no way.
[23:42] Speaker 2: And they're favored by five and a half, as they
[23:44] Speaker 2: should have been. And somehow the Knicks.
[23:51] Speaker 2: Win their ninth straight road playoff game to eclipse the
[23:56] Speaker 2: record of the 0-1 Los Angeles Lakers of Shaq and Kobe,
[23:59] Speaker 2: of course, of eight straight road playoff wins. They win
[24:02] Speaker 2: their ninth. But here's how they do it. What if
[24:08] Speaker 2: I told you going into the game that... in a
[24:11] Speaker 2: potential closeout game, that the New York Knicks were going
[24:15] Speaker 2: to score their season-low 37 points in the first half.
[24:19] Speaker 2: They scored 37 in the first half. It's impossibly wrong
[24:23] Speaker 2: and bad. You can't do that. And they shrug, and
[24:28] Speaker 2: here they come. And what if I told you that
[24:31] Speaker 2: Carl Anthony Towns, and I'm sure we're going to have
[24:33] Speaker 2: a lot of discussion about him and whether he should
[24:36] Speaker 2: be a Knick going forward, he scores two points in
[24:39] Speaker 2: game five. shoots one of seven from the floor, misses
[24:43] Speaker 2: both his three-point shots. That's all you get. What if
[24:46] Speaker 2: I told you going in that's all you're going to
[24:47] Speaker 2: get from Cat? You'd say, oh, they're cooked, right? They're
[24:50] Speaker 2: going to get blown out. What if I told you
[24:52] Speaker 2: that the all-time, all-time hero of Game 4, OG Ananobi,
[24:58] Speaker 2: what if I told you that he could muster up
[25:00] Speaker 2: only 11 points in Game 5? on three of 11
[25:05] Speaker 2: shooting and one of five from three. What if I
[25:08] Speaker 2: told you that the second and third best New York
[25:11] Speaker 2: Knick didn't show up for game five? You'd say, good
[25:16] Speaker 2: night and good luck going forward because you're going to
[25:18] Speaker 2: have to go home and try to figure these guys
[25:20] Speaker 2: out at Madison Square Garden to avoid having to come
[25:23] Speaker 2: back for a game seven. And the littlest guy on
[25:28] Speaker 2: the floor said, no, I got you. And after all
[25:32] Speaker 2: this narrative about how, oh, they flipped the script and
[25:36] Speaker 2: now Kat's distributing, remember after they fell behind two games
[25:40] Speaker 2: to one against Atlanta, and Jalen's going to pass the
[25:43] Speaker 2: ball more and he's not going to have such a
[25:44] Speaker 2: high usage rate. In the finals, it just degenerated into,
[25:48] Speaker 2: you do it.
[25:49] Speaker 1: You do it.
[25:50] Speaker 2: And he scores 45 points, which is Jordan-esque. And I
[25:54] Speaker 2: was there that night in Utah in a closeout game
[25:57] Speaker 2: six when Jordan scored 45 and nobody else scored. He
[26:01] Speaker 2: scored more than half their points for the Bulls that
[26:03] Speaker 2: night at Utah. This is the same thing. The little
[26:06] Speaker 2: man scores 45, and he scores 15 in the fourth?
[26:10] Speaker 2: That's impossible against Stephon Castle and Dylan Harper and all
[26:16] Speaker 2: their defenders that they're throwing at him right and left,
[26:19] Speaker 2: playing football with him. And he said, no, I got you.
[26:22] Speaker 2: He scores 15. And then finally, this is just so
[26:24] Speaker 2: vintage Knicks to me. What if I told you going
[26:27] Speaker 2: in it's going to be a close game down the stretch?
[26:30] Speaker 2: And the Knicks are going to miss four free throws
[26:32] Speaker 2: in the last 26 seconds. What would you tell me?
[26:35] Speaker 2: You'd say, good luck, good night, right?
[26:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[26:38] Speaker 2: And they just kept saying, no, we're okay.
[26:41] Speaker 1: We're okay. We got this.
[26:43] Speaker 2: We'll just make all the other plays that we have
[26:45] Speaker 2: to make to close this deal. And when it ended,
[26:49] Speaker 2: after it drove me out of my mind that they're
[26:51] Speaker 2: missing free throws, I just hate to see late miss
[26:54] Speaker 2: free throws.
[26:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[26:55] Speaker 2: And this poor creature missed his share, didn't he?
[26:58] Speaker 1: Whew. Man. Missed a lot.
[27:01] Speaker 2: But the point is, the Knicks missed four in the
[27:03] Speaker 2: last 26 seconds, and you think, oh, good luck, man. Right?
[27:07] Speaker 1: No. They're the champions. They're the champs.
[27:11] Speaker 2: And then, fittingly, it all concluded with Victor Wimbinyama just
[27:15] Speaker 2: walking right off the floor, no handshake.
[27:17] Speaker 1: Okay.
[27:17] Speaker 2: And that summed it up for me.
[27:18] Speaker 1: Big baby.
[27:19] Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
[27:20] Speaker 1: That's why he in the bag. He's French. Cry baby.
[27:24] Speaker 1: Three-foot cry baby.
[27:25] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[27:27] Speaker 1: So we're going to talk.
[27:28] Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the Spurs in a moment.
[27:31] Speaker 4: Let's salute the champions. First, let's uplift the Knicks. Let's
[27:35] Speaker 4: be uplifting and positive here on this glorious Monday. Brunson
[27:39] Speaker 4: Monday here in the arena. So Jalen Brunson became the
[27:41] Speaker 4: first guard, six foot two or shorter, to take home
[27:44] Speaker 4: finals MVP since Steph Curry.
[27:46] Speaker 1: Just the fourth all-time.
[27:48] Speaker 4: Averaged 33 points, five assists, four rebounds in the finals,
[27:51] Speaker 4: putting up 30 or more in four of the five games. Skip,
[27:55] Speaker 4: like you mentioned, franchise record. 45-piece in the series, clinching
[27:58] Speaker 4: Game 5 road win. So, Mr. B, we'll start with you.
[28:02] Speaker 4: What statement did Jalen Brunson make this postseason?
[28:06] Speaker 6: That you can win with a small guard. And Becky
[28:10] Speaker 6: Hammond's statement wasn't true at all. And it's good for
[28:15] Speaker 6: the game.
[28:16] Speaker 1: I mean, you know.
[28:18] Speaker 2: By the way, how tall are.
[28:20] Speaker 1: You, 6'1-ish? Yeah, 6'1, 6'1, 6 foot, yeah.
[28:23] Speaker 2: So you can appreciate.
[28:24] Speaker 1: This, right? Yes, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[28:26] Speaker 6: This is, you know, this is what, this is what
[28:29] Speaker 6: we thought AI was going to do.
[28:30] Speaker 1: You know, when AI went up against the Lakers, you know,
[28:32] Speaker 1: he had his chance to do it. Well, he did
[28:34] Speaker 1: it once. Yeah.
[28:35] Speaker 2: Did one game.
[28:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. Came up short, but, but yeah, no, this is big.
[28:39] Speaker 1: This is huge.
[28:39] Speaker 6: I mean, uh, to Kenan's point, he's been the underdog,
[28:43] Speaker 6: you know, nobody really respected. He took a, he took
[28:45] Speaker 6: a pay cut for, for his, for his team so
[28:48] Speaker 6: they can go get better players and look how it
[28:50] Speaker 6: all came back to repay him. So, um, Salute to him,
[28:54] Speaker 6: and this is a great moment for small guards.
[28:57] Speaker 4: So it took $ 113 million less than he could have
[28:59] Speaker 4: when he signed that extension. Likely we'll get that back
[29:03] Speaker 4: in the next couple years. I think that was the
[29:04] Speaker 4: game plan to do it, but like you mentioned, to
[29:06] Speaker 4: be able to get that roster, to be able to
[29:07] Speaker 4: allow OG Cat, Mikael Bridges, everybody else to join the squad. But, Kenny,
[29:11] Speaker 4: let's shift over to you. When you look at Jalen
[29:13] Speaker 4: Brunson and what he was able to do, he said
[29:15] Speaker 4: he ignored the noise from the critics, never listened to it. Obviously,
[29:17] Speaker 4: Becky Hammond, amongst others, saying that a small guard couldn't
[29:21] Speaker 4: be the man to get a chip.
[29:23] Speaker 1: First and foremost, why would he pay attention to anything
[29:26] Speaker 1: Becky Hammond has to say to start there? Right? Let
[29:30] Speaker 1: her stick on that side of basketball. No, badass. Like,
[29:33] Speaker 1: why would he pay attention to anything she has to say? Like,
[29:36] Speaker 1: who cares what Becky had to say about Jeff?
[29:38] Speaker 2: She was Pop's first assistant for.
[29:40] Speaker 1: A good while. I don't care. I just care less.
[29:44] Speaker 1: Don't get me started on that skill. Greg don't have
[29:46] Speaker 1: to pop a bit? Listen, don't get me started. The
[29:48] Speaker 1: game wasn't nice? Yeah, but. Yeah, don't. No. No, don't, no.
[29:53] Speaker 1: It's Monday. We kind of want to get you started. No, no, no.
[29:55] Speaker 1: Trust me. There are plenty of other people that could
[29:57] Speaker 1: have been sitting in that seat. Let's start there. But
[30:01] Speaker 1: to Jalen Brunson's credit, kept his eye on the prize, right?
[30:09] Speaker 1: Didn't waver. Second round pick was overlooked. Yeah, he's the
[30:14] Speaker 1: heart of a champion, man. He's won at every level.
[30:18] Speaker 1: You don't learn how to win high school and college.
[30:22] Speaker 1: and not carry that over to the National Basketball Association.
[30:24] Speaker 1: He just needed the right situation, needed the right people
[30:26] Speaker 1: to believe in him, needed the right makeup of guys
[30:30] Speaker 1: around him. They went and did that, and adding two
[30:33] Speaker 1: of his college teammates that they won together. That goes
[30:38] Speaker 1: a long way in buying into what we need to do.
[30:43] Speaker 1: And I think he's the head of that. He's the
[30:46] Speaker 1: driving factor, like I said before. I mean, it was...
[30:52] Speaker 1: Good to see as a basketball fan, right? Not for
[30:57] Speaker 1: someone who played in the NBA, but as a basketball fan,
[31:01] Speaker 1: the way that Jalen Brunson went about that, right? Every
[31:06] Speaker 1: fourth quarter, put the team on his back and was like,
[31:10] Speaker 1: I refuse to let us lose. And we've seen some
[31:14] Speaker 1: of the greats in this game do that before. And
[31:17] Speaker 1: this performance, this playoffs was that. This finals was that. Yeah,
[31:25] Speaker 1: from the first game looking like he got injured early
[31:28] Speaker 1: in game one to this type of performance, man, it
[31:34] Speaker 1: was historic, right? Closeout game, 45 points. The rest of
[31:37] Speaker 1: the team has 49. So that's huge, man, to show
[31:42] Speaker 1: up in those moments and to will your team. Yeah,
[31:47] Speaker 1: that's what special sports moments are made of, and this
[31:51] Speaker 1: was that.
[31:53] Speaker 4: Swagging, let's shift over to you. Former NBA champion. NBA
[31:57] Speaker 4: champion just like Jalen Brunson. Championship experience.
[32:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to JC too, Jordan Clarkson. Good friend,
[32:04] Speaker 3: winning the championship. But Brunson did something kids dream of,
[32:08] Speaker 3: like the win in college, the win in the NBA
[32:12] Speaker 3: with your homies and your dad on the coaching staff,
[32:15] Speaker 3: like this type of stuff you can't make up. And
[32:18] Speaker 3: for him... He has his own city now. It's only
[32:22] Speaker 3: a couple people that could say they own a whole
[32:27] Speaker 3: state or city or something. Jordan, Kobe, Steph, Bronson, LeBron
[32:34] Speaker 3: in Cleveland. But, yeah, in New York right now, you
[32:38] Speaker 3: can't tell nobody. Bronson is bigger than Jordan to some
[32:41] Speaker 3: people in New York for what he's did. And that's
[32:44] Speaker 3: all you could ask for as a kid growing up. Shit, man,
[32:48] Speaker 3: this is a dream come true to be five, to
[32:50] Speaker 3: be relatable to people that's, you know, everybody not six
[32:55] Speaker 3: foot something. Everybody not seven foot. And a guy that's 5'11,
[32:59] Speaker 3: six feet coming through, destroying the NBA like he did
[33:04] Speaker 3: and going up against somebody that's 7'5, that people makes
[33:09] Speaker 3: the face of the league, you get it done. So
[33:12] Speaker 3: right now, Bronson is the king right now.
[33:15] Speaker 2: Nick, you played with Steph. Is he a full 6'3?
[33:19] Speaker 2: He's listed at 6'3. Does he play that big? Does
[33:22] Speaker 2: he stand that big next to you?
[33:25] Speaker 1: Steph is actually, yeah. I feel like he's a legit 6'3. Yeah,
[33:29] Speaker 1: he is.
[33:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. He's taller than what people think.
[33:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, listed at 6'2. 6'2? Yeah, but it looks... You
[33:36] Speaker 1: saw him in person, remember? He's taller than... He's 6'3.
[33:39] Speaker 1: Light-skinned excellence. Yeah.
[33:42] Speaker 3: But he did it in a fashion where it wasn't
[33:45] Speaker 3: all threes. He wasn't out there on the three-point line.
[33:48] Speaker 3: Taking guys to the hole, floaters, mid-range. Looked very old
[33:52] Speaker 3: school right there. It wasn't your typical shooting all threes
[33:58] Speaker 3: and half-court shots. He got it done with the way
[34:02] Speaker 3: he got it done. That's what kids can relate to, too.
[34:08] Speaker 3: So shout-out to Bronson, for real. Doing it with your pops,
[34:12] Speaker 3: that's like a dream come true.
[34:15] Speaker 4: Looked just like his daddy. Let's shift over to you, Rashad,
[34:18] Speaker 4: looking at what Jalen Brunson was able to do. Dispel
[34:21] Speaker 4: the narrative that a small guard couldn't lead his team
[34:24] Speaker 4: to a championship. A lot of pundits out there felt
[34:27] Speaker 4: the same way. Obviously, at that point, the Knicks were
[34:29] Speaker 4: a different team. They bolstered, they strengthened, but Brunson still
[34:33] Speaker 4: won the heart of the squad. What statement did he
[34:35] Speaker 4: make in this playoffs?
[34:39] Speaker 5: That even guys who play the game get it wrong.
[34:42] Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people got it wrong, especially
[34:44] Speaker 5: when it come to him. And I think the storyline
[34:48] Speaker 5: I want to really push is him and his dad.
[34:51] Speaker 5: Rick Brunson, Jalen Brunson storyline of kind of how the
[34:56] Speaker 5: movie he got game, how the dad was pushing the
[34:58] Speaker 5: son and be great.
[35:00] Speaker 1: But this is a storyline.
[35:01] Speaker 5: Where the dad is actually on the bench, keeping him
[35:04] Speaker 5: and his head intact into the game. And what I
[35:08] Speaker 5: think about between the two of them is the film
[35:10] Speaker 5: sessions after the game, the film sessions before the game,
[35:14] Speaker 5: the call of let's go get some shots up, let's
[35:16] Speaker 5: go talk about these scenarios. Where's your mind at when
[35:20] Speaker 5: they run this scheme against you? What are you looking
[35:23] Speaker 5: at when they're double teaming you in this position?
[35:28] Speaker 1: Rick Brunson has been there. He has.
[35:31] Speaker 5: Really molded Jalen into a professional athlete and when you
[35:36] Speaker 5: have a father figure like that that can actually go
[35:39] Speaker 5: out of his way to make sure that he stays
[35:42] Speaker 5: in your life during the best moments of your life
[35:45] Speaker 5: and then take you all the way to the promised
[35:47] Speaker 5: land and make sure that staying on the coaching staff
[35:51] Speaker 5: was priority one and making sure that his son understands
[35:54] Speaker 5: that he's not going to be in his way but
[35:57] Speaker 5: we're going to work and we're going to get it
[35:58] Speaker 5: done and we're going to make sure that we Rewrite
[36:02] Speaker 5: this ship as a point guard, as a traditional point guard.
[36:06] Speaker 5: And when I say that in regards to how he
[36:09] Speaker 5: plays the game, he takes advantages of situations and you
[36:14] Speaker 5: can't ask for a point guard to do much more
[36:16] Speaker 5: than that, especially when you can score and you can
[36:19] Speaker 5: score when you want to. But you can also in
[36:22] Speaker 5: one series take time off to get your teammates involved
[36:25] Speaker 5: and get them And they're lather going and then dominating
[36:28] Speaker 5: the fourth quarter when you need to. I think that's
[36:31] Speaker 5: what traditional point guards have always done when they need
[36:34] Speaker 5: to do it. And he's always done it. Averaging 32
[36:37] Speaker 5: in the finals is unheard of for a point guard.
[36:41] Speaker 5: So him and his dad definitely have to get credit
[36:46] Speaker 5: for crafting the mastermind of knowing what to do, where
[36:51] Speaker 5: to do it, how to do it, the timing of
[36:53] Speaker 5: it all, and keeping the guys together. I think the noise,
[36:56] Speaker 5: when people talk about noise, did you hear this?
[36:59] Speaker 1: Did you hear that? It's like, man, get the noise
[37:01] Speaker 1: out of there. Regardless of what's.
[37:03] Speaker 5: Being said, we have to do what we have to do.
[37:05] Speaker 5: We have to get it done. And I think the
[37:08] Speaker 5: tears at the end for him is just getting it done.
[37:11] Speaker 5: It's not thinking that people would believe he could get
[37:14] Speaker 5: it done as the leader.
[37:16] Speaker 1: Being able to take it over the top like that.
[37:18] Speaker 5: Is just real nostalgia for New York fans.
[37:22] Speaker 1: They're going to remember this forever.
[37:24] Speaker 5: And Revenge is bittersweet for sure. So again, congratulations to
[37:30] Speaker 5: the Knicks, but for sure, congratulations to Rick and Jalen
[37:33] Speaker 5: Brunson for sure.
[37:36] Speaker 4: Skip, you covered a lot of basketball in your time.
[37:38] Speaker 4: When you look at what Jalen Brunson was able to
[37:39] Speaker 4: do this postseason, what's your reaction to it?
[37:47] Speaker 2: You know, when this little man completely won me over
[37:52] Speaker 2: mid-fourth quarter the other night, game five, He attacks the
[37:56] Speaker 2: alien in the lane and takes him all the way
[38:00] Speaker 2: to the bucket and shields him, and he's left-handed, and
[38:04] Speaker 2: he shoots it right-handed up off the glass and makes it.
[38:06] Speaker 2: And I'm like, what? You did that to that? It's impossible.
[38:13] Speaker 2: What's that?
[38:15] Speaker 3: He almost made him fall.
[38:16] Speaker 1: He did. So, look.
[38:21] Speaker 2: I am a fan of this Thunder team. I was
[38:22] Speaker 2: born and raised in Oklahoma City, but I'm going to
[38:24] Speaker 2: go this far right here, right now. As much as
[38:30] Speaker 2: I like Shea Gilgis Alexander, and as much as I
[38:34] Speaker 2: believe that he deserved a second straight MVP, Jalen Brunson
[38:40] Speaker 2: completely outplayed SGA against the Spurs. If you look at
[38:45] Speaker 2: the numbers, completely and utterly made him look silly is
[38:50] Speaker 2: what he made him look like. Because I'm just looking
[38:52] Speaker 2: at the fourth quarter numbers. Jalen Brunson against the Spurs
[38:55] Speaker 2: in five games made 19 of 37 shots. That's 51%.
[39:00] Speaker 2: And they're hounding him and dogging him and footballing him
[39:04] Speaker 2: just like they did SGA. SGA in the seven games
[39:09] Speaker 2: in the fourth quarters against the Spurs made made only
[39:12] Speaker 2: 8 of 29 shots. That's 28%. He was 0 of
[39:17] Speaker 2: 8 from 3. Jalen doesn't shoot a lot of 3s,
[39:19] Speaker 2: to your point, but he made 3 of 7 in
[39:21] Speaker 2: the 5 fourth quarters, which was, they seemed timely to me.
[39:25] Speaker 2: They seemed big. Like, the three that he made were
[39:27] Speaker 2: just psychological crushers for the Spurs. And look, I I
[39:37] Speaker 2: don't think SGA is a flopper. He will exaggerate fouls
[39:41] Speaker 2: that should be called, but he will exaggerate them by
[39:44] Speaker 2: going down. We can argue this all day and all night.
[39:47] Speaker 2: It's called floppings.
[39:49] Speaker 1: You can word it differently. It's called genius. It's called flopping.
[39:52] Speaker 1: We call it flopping.
[39:55] Speaker 2: But little Jalen does not flop. Little Jalen does not complain.
[40:01] Speaker 2: Little Jalen was getting no calls in this whole series
[40:04] Speaker 2: because this creature is the most overprotected player in the NBA.
[40:09] Speaker 2: And it went all the way to the flagrant that
[40:12] Speaker 2: should have been called on the three-point shot where he
[40:14] Speaker 2: slides his giant foot underneath. It's Zaza Pachipchat. Zaza Pachipchat.
[40:21] Speaker 2: And he didn't even get that call because that would
[40:24] Speaker 2: have disqualified Wimby for potential game six back at the Garden.
[40:29] Speaker 5: And.
[40:31] Speaker 2: Because Jalen Brunson doesn't have a lot to say off
[40:34] Speaker 2: the court. He's not entertaining in his media sessions. There's
[40:39] Speaker 2: no narrative to it. There's no edge to it. There's
[40:42] Speaker 2: nothing we can grab hold of and say, oh, he
[40:44] Speaker 2: does that. He's fun to... I can't wait for his postgame. Yeah,
[40:47] Speaker 2: you can wait because he's just not going to say anything.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Solid podcast though, Skip. Solid podcaster. Okay. You know what?
[40:53] Speaker 2: I haven't checked it out. So that's a fair.
[40:55] Speaker 1: Roommate.
[40:55] Speaker 2: That's a fair point.
[40:57] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[40:57] Speaker 1: Good point.
[40:58] Speaker 2: Touche.
[40:59] Speaker 1: But.
[41:01] Speaker 2: The package of it is not wildly entertaining. It just works.
[41:06] Speaker 2: And what he proved to me in this series is
[41:09] Speaker 2: he is the best player in the National Basketball Association
[41:12] Speaker 2: right here, right now. I mean, he just showed you
[41:14] Speaker 2: he did it. He did that against that team and
[41:16] Speaker 2: that guy. That's... I give it up, man. You got
[41:21] Speaker 2: to say here, you earned best player in the league
[41:26] Speaker 2: status and you earned better than SGA status with those
[41:31] Speaker 2: five fourth quarters that you played against 7'6. That's what happened.
[41:37] Speaker 2: So congratulations to him.
[41:40] Speaker 3: I'm with that. I'd say most important person in basketball
[41:43] Speaker 3: right now.
[41:44] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[41:44] Speaker 1: Face of the league.
[41:45] Speaker 2: Important is a good word.
[41:46] Speaker 1: He is. Face of the league. Face of the league.
[41:49] Speaker 1: He took it. Face of the league.
[41:51] Speaker 2: He should be the face of the league.
[41:52] Speaker 1: He got New York behind him, too. Biggest market. One
[41:56] Speaker 1: of them.
[41:56] Speaker 4: Did have grown men in New York saying some outlandish things.
[41:59] Speaker 1: If he was like 6'5, 6'5, 6'8. He just just
[42:03] Speaker 1: say shit.
[42:03] Speaker 3: If he's 6'5, 6'8, they would be saying he's next
[42:06] Speaker 3: Michael Jordan right now.
[42:07] Speaker 6: I mean, he did beat the youngest team to get
[42:10] Speaker 6: to the finals.
[42:10] Speaker 1: But everybody else didn't. Shea didn't. Don't see him mug
[42:12] Speaker 1: everywhere next year. Shea didn't. Get ready. Shea didn't. Huh?
[42:16] Speaker 1: Ant didn't. And Ed Market. Who else did? It didn't.
[42:19] Speaker 1: It didn't do what?
[42:20] Speaker 5: Boston didn't win. You say he beat the youngest team?
[42:26] Speaker 1: I don't think it's one guy. I don't think the
[42:29] Speaker 1: face of the NBA is one guy now. I think
[42:32] Speaker 1: it's multiple guys. I think it's a lot of young,
[42:34] Speaker 1: really good basketball players that's Just pushing the narrative. My bad.
[42:41] Speaker 1: Are you good? You think Brunson can't get a signature? No,
[42:43] Speaker 1: I didn't say he couldn't. He didn't what? I'm about
[42:45] Speaker 1: to say. Turn it down. A signature 10. Allegedly, he
[42:47] Speaker 1: turned it down so he can wear a Kobe still. So, allegedly,
[42:50] Speaker 1: he turned it down. So. I think, yeah, he could
[42:54] Speaker 1: have been had.
[42:54] Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm saying New York? Doing what he's doing?
[42:57] Speaker 5: Everybody in New York would.
[42:59] Speaker 1: Buy that shoe right now. He could have been had.
[43:02] Speaker 1: The face of the league, you do need a signature. No,
[43:03] Speaker 1: you don't. Not if he wearing those shoes.
[43:06] Speaker 3: I wasn't wearing stuff.
[43:07] Speaker 1: I'm saying not if he getting his P's. You wasn't
[43:09] Speaker 1: wearing stuff. You wasn't wearing stuff, but people were wearing stuff.
[43:12] Speaker 1: Kobe's made and all that. I don't think it's the same.
[43:15] Speaker 1: I don't think he need his signature shoe. So just
[43:20] Speaker 1: hear me out. If Nike put him on Kobe commercials
[43:22] Speaker 1: with them shoes on this, that, and the third, you
[43:24] Speaker 1: think that ain't good enough? I don't think he need
[43:26] Speaker 1: to see him in his shoes.
[43:28] Speaker 5: Because he playing that city.
[43:30] Speaker 1: The rest of them dudes do. He playing that city.
[43:34] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like them smaller, Giannis, Milwaukee, Shea, OKC, Steph.
[43:42] Speaker 1: That's New York City. So he doesn't need them. At Minnesota.
[43:46] Speaker 1: He got his shooter. What does it mean to be
[43:48] Speaker 1: the face of the league? There's multiple guys, man. What
[43:51] Speaker 1: does it mean? I'm glad he's the face. You're the
[43:53] Speaker 1: best player in the league? No, the face of the
[43:55] Speaker 1: league is who they market globally. Those are faces of
[44:00] Speaker 1: the league. Who they choose to market globally. So they
[44:03] Speaker 1: haven't done it with you. What does it mean? It
[44:07] Speaker 1: means endorsements globally. It means a worldwide web.
[44:10] Speaker 3: You see how many people watch this finals?
[44:12] Speaker 1: So is it money? Is it influence? It's all of it. Everything.
[44:16] Speaker 5: Okay, so it's not important to the actual basketball aspect.
[44:19] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you got to deliver on the court.
[44:21] Speaker 1: In your brain, no. But everybody else, yeah.
[44:24] Speaker 5: So in my brain, we're going to cheap shots. No,
[44:27] Speaker 5: I'm just saying, yo, it is. I'm asking a question.
[44:30] Speaker 1: For everybody else, basketball is included in it. Basketball is
[44:34] Speaker 1: not excluded. You got to be really good at basketball.
[44:36] Speaker 1: But everybody else is not in here. So how can
[44:39] Speaker 1: we say everybody else?
[44:40] Speaker 5: And I'm asking a question to five people here.
[44:43] Speaker 1: You got to be good at basketball because we're having
[44:45] Speaker 1: a basketball conversation. It starts as a basketball conversation. But
[44:49] Speaker 1: you just said marketing. Because it's a part of it.
[44:52] Speaker 1: All of it starts with being really good at the
[44:55] Speaker 1: game of basketball. If Jason Tatum don't get hurt, he's probably...
[44:58] Speaker 1: He is still in it.
[44:59] Speaker 7: He's still in it.
[45:00] Speaker 1: He is still in it. He's still in it. Just
[45:04] Speaker 1: because he got hurt. Kevin Durant got hurt. It didn't
[45:07] Speaker 1: stop them from still putting him in. Guys get hurt.
[45:10] Speaker 1: That's just what it is. Because he got hurt. He's
[45:13] Speaker 1: still Jason Tatum.
[45:14] Speaker 5: No, no, no.
[45:14] Speaker 1: He's still that, but he's not the face of the league, though.
[45:17] Speaker 1: I never thought he was just the face.
[45:19] Speaker 3: This is New York.
[45:21] Speaker 1: They were pushing him in it, yes, and they won it,
[45:23] Speaker 1: helped him. Absolutely. Clean cut, looked good, all that. They
[45:27] Speaker 1: got people to advertise, yes. But I don't think it's
[45:30] Speaker 1: one particular guy. Like I said, you got to be
[45:33] Speaker 1: really good at basketball. You got to be marketable. You
[45:37] Speaker 1: got to be a lot of things.
[45:38] Speaker 6: I mean, yeah. There's no more. We don't have a
[45:41] Speaker 6: Steph or a LeBron anymore.
[45:43] Speaker 1: Brunson in the largest media market. Relatable. We don't have
[45:46] Speaker 1: a Steph or a LeBron right now.
[45:47] Speaker 4: Undersized Hooper, relatable to the common man.
[45:50] Speaker 1: Brunson. I could be like Jalen too. Yeah, Brunson. I'm
[45:52] Speaker 1: going to Kenyon's part. It's going to be a group
[45:54] Speaker 1: of them. It's always been a group of them. No, no.
[45:58] Speaker 6: When Bron was going to the finals. When Bron was
[46:02] Speaker 6: going to the finals every year, that eighth straight year,
[46:04] Speaker 6: it was him. When Steph was going, it was him.
[46:06] Speaker 6: It was back and forth.
[46:08] Speaker 1: Because these corporations, these major billion-dollar Fortune 500 companies, they
[46:17] Speaker 1: pick and choose who they're willing to deal with and
[46:20] Speaker 1: work with.
[46:21] Speaker 2: Who will sell the best.
[46:22] Speaker 1: Who's going to sell the best product for that company.
[46:25] Speaker 1: The league can give them a list of guys of 100.
[46:28] Speaker 1: It's only going to be a certain amount of guys
[46:30] Speaker 1: that they're willing to work with that they're going to
[46:32] Speaker 1: pick from. That's just what it is. I guess a
[46:35] Speaker 1: lot of guys, it's clean cut, it's marketable, but your stats,
[46:38] Speaker 1: you ain't won nothing, it don't add up to what
[46:41] Speaker 1: they're trying to do for their brand. Nowadays, it's more
[46:46] Speaker 1: because of this whole social media thing, the marketing thing
[46:49] Speaker 1: is out of control now. There's more companies that's involved
[46:52] Speaker 1: with the league now. that reaches further to other guys
[46:56] Speaker 1: that's not in that top whatever. But the major companies
[47:00] Speaker 1: and the major sponsors globally, there's only certain guys that
[47:04] Speaker 1: will be in these things. That's just what it is.
[47:08] Speaker 2: So Rashad, when you flash on the NBA, which player,
[47:12] Speaker 2: which face do you think of first right now?
[47:16] Speaker 1: Victor.
[47:16] Speaker 2: Okay, because globally that's what more people would think of.
[47:20] Speaker 5: I mean, because I'm Remember, I'm the dumb one. So
[47:24] Speaker 5: I'm thinking to myself, who is the NBA pushing? Who
[47:30] Speaker 5: is the NBA? So the face of the NBA can
[47:35] Speaker 5: only be pushed by the NBA. This is who we
[47:38] Speaker 5: want representing our brand. Our brand is important to us.
[47:43] Speaker 5: We want to put, whether it's these guys or this guy,
[47:48] Speaker 5: this is who we're pushing. So that's how I've always
[47:51] Speaker 5: seen it. I always looked at it. Who is the
[47:53] Speaker 5: NBA going to put in front? I thought they put
[47:56] Speaker 5: Steph in front of LeBron during those years because.
[48:00] Speaker 1: He was cleaner.
[48:02] Speaker 5: He had more excitement and entertaining behind it. And it
[48:05] Speaker 5: wasn't no slight to LeBron. It was just the momentum
[48:10] Speaker 5: that Steph Curry brought with it.
[48:12] Speaker 1: And then he had his shoe and he.
[48:13] Speaker 5: Had the kids and all that, his daughter and all
[48:16] Speaker 5: of those things. So it's just, that's how I always
[48:19] Speaker 5: looked at it. Like, who's the NBA pushing? And I
[48:22] Speaker 5: think they've been pushing Wimby for the last 10 months.
[48:26] Speaker 1: 12 months.
[48:27] Speaker 5: When you talk about it, it's like that's just what
[48:30] Speaker 5: it was. And they tried to push SGA into that
[48:33] Speaker 5: segment after the MVP last year. But, you know, Wimby's
[48:38] Speaker 5: emergence was clashing with that. So it was kind of
[48:41] Speaker 5: both of them. But when you got two European, well,
[48:44] Speaker 5: not European, international players in the front of the NBA,
[48:48] Speaker 5: it's not going to look as appealing as it should
[48:50] Speaker 5: with a, Jason Tatum or Anthony Edwards in the front.
[48:56] Speaker 5: So we'll see after this year pans out if Jalen
[48:59] Speaker 5: Brunson can't fit in that mold. But right now, I mean,
[49:02] Speaker 5: I just always looked at it like whoever the NBA
[49:05] Speaker 5: is pushing forward.
[49:06] Speaker 2: Okay, just me, when I flash on the NBA, I
[49:09] Speaker 2: still think of LeBron because he's still going, man. I mean,
[49:13] Speaker 2: he's still going to play a couple more years, and
[49:14] Speaker 2: he's in just presence alone, he's up there. And I
[49:20] Speaker 2: do think Steph is still the most popular among kids.
[49:23] Speaker 2: It just feels like to me, but I could be wrong.
[49:26] Speaker 2: I don't have kids, so I don't know. But it
[49:27] Speaker 2: needs still like the baby face and all that.
[49:32] Speaker 1: They both are. I got an eight-year-old, he asked for
[49:35] Speaker 1: both jerseys. Steph's the top, top. So the jerseys that, listen,
[49:39] Speaker 1: the kids.
[49:41] Speaker 1: You got a Wimby jersey.
[49:42] Speaker 4: Really?
[49:42] Speaker 1: Okay. Steph, Jokic, Anthony Edwards. Okay.
[49:47] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[49:48] Speaker 1: Those are the jerseys that has personally asked. And just
[49:52] Speaker 1: because he watching the cola, he asked for a Jamal
[49:55] Speaker 1: Murray jersey. But those four guys, LeBron, Steph, Wimby, and
[50:04] Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards.
[50:05] Speaker 2: No Jalen Brunson.
[50:06] Speaker 1: Not yet. Brunson, third highest-selling jersey, though. I was about
[50:10] Speaker 1: to say, Brunson's the key, really.
[50:11] Speaker 4: Third season? I'll read the list to you. So, Steph, Luka, Brunson, Wimby,
[50:18] Speaker 4: LeBron are top five.
[50:20] Speaker 1: Ant-Man, six. Tatum, seven. SGA, eight. Cooper, flag, nine. Oh,
[50:23] Speaker 1: SGA would be higher. Knicks have the highest-selling merchandise, too.
[50:26] Speaker 7: The NBA turned their back on Shea, I feel like.
[50:31] Speaker 1: Wow.
[50:32] Speaker 5: That market can't do nothing for you. When you talk
[50:36] Speaker 5: about kids, they be saying, Shea got his own Root Book.
[50:39] Speaker 1: He flopped.
[50:40] Speaker 3: That's the main thing I hear about Shea. I got
[50:42] Speaker 3: a seven-year-old, eight-year-old be like, Shea got his.
[50:45] Speaker 1: Own Root Book. Because that's what they go to school
[50:47] Speaker 1: and talk about. That's what I'm saying. But the fact
[50:50] Speaker 1: that it gets to them. Yeah, because they parents see
[50:56] Speaker 1: the thing. They're around their dads and uncles and other
[50:58] Speaker 1: people watching the game. It's not even that. They're around
[51:02] Speaker 1: their uncles and their dads watching the game, and this
[51:04] Speaker 1: is the things that they're hearing. They're in the car.
[51:06] Speaker 1: They're having conversations, and it's the barbershop talk. They're taking
[51:09] Speaker 1: the son to the barbershop Saturday morning after school. They're
[51:12] Speaker 1: talking about the game. All they hear is flop, flop, flop, flop, shea, flop, shea, flop, flop, shea, flop, flop, shea. And... Flarn, Flarn, Flarn, Flarn.
[51:21] Speaker 1: And then, so now they, so that's all they hear, right?
[51:26] Speaker 1: So my son, of course, he ate. I'm like, how
[51:28] Speaker 1: can you hear that? Yeah, yeah. Because that's the narrative
[51:31] Speaker 1: and discourse that's being put. Oh, it's crazy.
[51:33] Speaker 4: But you got NBA first year of this new TV deal. Obviously,
[51:36] Speaker 4: this finals, I believe, did the highest number since 1998,
[51:38] Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken.
[51:39] Speaker 1: I wonder why. You got Brunson, but this. I wonder why.
[51:42] Speaker 4: So if I'm the NBA, though. I wonder why. I
[51:45] Speaker 4: love Wimby, and I'm going to keep pushing Wimby. I'm
[51:47] Speaker 4: going to push this rivalry, but I've got the largest
[51:49] Speaker 4: media market. I've got the finals MVP coming from that market.
[51:52] Speaker 4: Moving forward, you already know Knicks are going to have
[51:55] Speaker 4: the most national TV games, if I had to guess.
[51:57] Speaker 1: Shit, Knicks are already up there. Shit, they're up there
[52:00] Speaker 1: every year. Them and the Lakers.
[52:03] Speaker 5: So, San Antonio's a small market? San Antonio is a
[52:06] Speaker 5: very small market.
[52:07] Speaker 1: It's a very small market.
[52:10] Speaker 2: So is Oklahoma City.
[52:11] Speaker 1: And just so happens to make history. Mm-hmm. 24th. They
[52:16] Speaker 1: benefited from that history, Rashad. They benefited from being in
[52:20] Speaker 1: the finals. Well, that's your opinion. No, it's not my opinion.
[52:22] Speaker 1: New York is the largest media market there is, so
[52:25] Speaker 1: the Spurs benefited from the Knicks being a part of
[52:29] Speaker 1: that series. So it ain't my opinion.
[52:31] Speaker 5: It's obviously your opinion.
[52:34] Speaker 1: No, it's not. So you don't think... It's obviously your opinion.
[52:37] Speaker 1: It has to be your opinion. So have the Knicks
[52:40] Speaker 1: been in the last... How many years since this win?
[52:42] Speaker 1: Two teams played. What? What did you say?
[52:45] Speaker 3: They've been in the finals?
[52:48] Speaker 4: 99 was the last final, 73 last championship. No, no,
[52:50] Speaker 4: but for the ratings, what did you say this is? Oh,
[52:53] Speaker 4: in terms of the highest selling merchandise is next season.
[52:57] Speaker 1: The TV ratings. Oh, 1998 finals, I believe. Right. This
[53:00] Speaker 1: is the largest since 98, right? Game four, I believe,
[53:03] Speaker 1: was the most viewed social media. Yeah. I believe that.
[53:08] Speaker 5: There's been other teams since 1998 that's been playing in
[53:12] Speaker 5: the championship.
[53:12] Speaker 1: They have, but they haven't reached these ratings is what
[53:15] Speaker 1: the point is. Right.
[53:16] Speaker 5: So the ratings have to do with two different teams
[53:18] Speaker 5: that played in the finals. One team is the Spurs.
[53:21] Speaker 5: It has a French alien that everybody wants to see
[53:24] Speaker 5: take over New York.
[53:26] Speaker 1: That is true.
[53:26] Speaker 5: I'm going to show up to watch the alien invasion.
[53:29] Speaker 5: And then you have New York. We haven't been here.
[53:32] Speaker 5: They got their own fan base. They got their own market.
[53:35] Speaker 5: But we do, too.
[53:37] Speaker 1: They got one of the biggest.
[53:38] Speaker 5: That's like saying y'all doesn't bring any kind of value
[53:41] Speaker 5: to Houston.
[53:43] Speaker 1: I think China is just a tad bit bigger than... Europe?
[53:47] Speaker 1: Than Europe? Than France, where he's from. You mean Asia
[53:51] Speaker 1: is a part of it all?
[53:52] Speaker 5: No, it's France, and then you got Asia. It's two
[53:56] Speaker 5: different places.
[53:57] Speaker 1: Are you sure? Yes, I'm pretty positive. Are you sure?
[54:00] Speaker 1: How many? 69 million people. And where? France. And how
[54:03] Speaker 1: many in China? A billion. 1.41 billion. Okay. I think
[54:08] Speaker 1: that's a tad bit larger. I was about to say,
[54:10] Speaker 1: when I was in China, I played in front of
[54:12] Speaker 1: 5 million. A tad bit larger. Nobody in China played, though, right?
[54:18] Speaker 1: Nobody in China played. The Spurs benefited from those ratings.
[54:21] Speaker 1: This was a French guy. Yeah. Right. I think that
[54:24] Speaker 1: Wimby helped those. I mean, he helped. But the Knicks?
[54:30] Speaker 1: But the Knicks? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what
[54:34] Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you have a Spurs-Cavs final, I guarantee
[54:38] Speaker 1: they wouldn't be breaking no media, no viewing records. No,
[54:41] Speaker 1: they're not. No. Why not? Donald Trump not public. Because
[54:44] Speaker 1: they haven't. Because it didn't happen. What do you mean?
[54:47] Speaker 1: You can't say it wouldn't happen or not. It didn't happen.
[54:50] Speaker 5: You can't say the Cavs wouldn't have played.
[54:53] Speaker 1: This wouldn't have happened. It didn't happen.
[54:56] Speaker 4: Taylor Swift not pulling up.
[55:00] Speaker 1: Since 1998, there have been two NBA teams to play
[55:04] Speaker 1: in the finals. Since 1998. There has to be two
[55:07] Speaker 1: teams to play to have a competition. In order for
[55:10] Speaker 1: them to have a game, there has to be two teams,
[55:13] Speaker 1: yes or no? So since 1989... Since 98. 98, my bad.
[55:19] Speaker 1: Since 98, there hasn't been those ratings. Yes or no?
[55:22] Speaker 1: Highest view final since 1998.
[55:24] Speaker 2: Who was in 98?
[55:26] Speaker 1: That guy. Michael Jordan. Thank you. And that's not New York.
[55:30] Speaker 1: And that was what, Utah? It was Utah. Utah and Chicago.
[55:36] Speaker 1: This is Michael Jordan. What are we talking about? And
[55:39] Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz benefited from playing against Michael Jordan in
[55:43] Speaker 1: the finals. That was the second time, too. Like, duh,
[55:46] Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It was a back-to-back. It was
[55:48] Speaker 1: a repeat. You got a small market and a big market. Repeat.
[55:52] Speaker 5: You got a small market and a big market.
[55:55] Speaker 1: It was momentum from a three-peat.
[55:58] Speaker 5: They already had everything lined up for them. So it's
[56:02] Speaker 5: not the first time they got there since 1973. Like
[56:04] Speaker 5: I said, the Spurs have been a fan. What are
[56:07] Speaker 5: we talking about, Skip? What are we talking about, Skip?
[56:11] Speaker 5: It's the last game. I don't want to sound like
[56:14] Speaker 5: I'm crazy, but I'm crazy.
[56:15] Speaker 1: The Spurs have been unfitted from playing against the Knicks
[56:18] Speaker 1: in the finals. For sure. When we brought some options. Viewership.
[56:21] Speaker 1: He helped. Stop doing that. It's not going to help you.
[56:24] Speaker 1: He helped Joe. This is the matchup you want, though,
[56:27] Speaker 1: if you're the NBA. It's a basketball game. It has
[56:29] Speaker 1: to be two teams in play. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
[56:31] Speaker 1: There's one that's in the small market, very small market,
[56:33] Speaker 1: and there's one that's in the biggest media market. It ain't...
[56:36] Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy.
[56:38] Speaker 5: What team played in 1999, Skip?
[56:40] Speaker 1: What team played in 1999?
[56:41] Speaker 5: Did he pull up in San Antonio or did he
[56:44] Speaker 5: pull up in New York?
[56:45] Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, Nick. Hold on. Let me get my brain.
[56:48] Speaker 1: Where did Trump go? San Antonio or New York? Taylor
[56:51] Speaker 1: Swift as well. 1998 was the record. 1998 was the record.
[56:53] Speaker 1: Mariska Arkansas. And then.
[56:54] Speaker 5: 1999, New York was in the finals and didn't break
[57:05] Speaker 5: that record.
[57:06] Speaker 1: So what are you trying to say? What's your point?
[57:08] Speaker 1: You said it's New York. What's your point? It is
[57:10] Speaker 1: New York now.
[57:11] Speaker 5: So why didn't New York break the record in 1990?
[57:14] Speaker 1: No, he didn't play. He played against the Senators. Michael
[57:17] Speaker 1: Jordan played the year before. So why didn't the record
[57:19] Speaker 1: break the next year?
[57:20] Speaker 2: It was a big strike year, and people were down
[57:23] Speaker 2: on the NBA. It's New York City.
[57:25] Speaker 1: Can you give them the facts, please?
[57:26] Speaker 2: Well, and the Knicks weren't very good that year. I
[57:29] Speaker 2: think they were barely above. 500 in the regular season,
[57:32] Speaker 2: and then they got hot.
[57:33] Speaker 1: Was there a work stoppage? Yes. And that probably would
[57:37] Speaker 1: affect viewership. Or probably not. Or probably not. It did.
[57:41] Speaker 1: Or probably not. It's New York. It didn't stop working.
[57:44] Speaker 5: The fans in New York didn't stop working.
[57:46] Speaker 1: It did. It did? It probably did. It did.
[57:51] Speaker 5: It did.
[57:52] Speaker 1: And Michael Jordan was more popular than the New York
[57:54] Speaker 1: Knicks at the time. That's why the viewership was higher.
[57:58] Speaker 1: Who's more popular now?
[58:00] Speaker 5: Nobody on the Knicks is more popular than Wimby right now.
[58:03] Speaker 5: So what are we talking about?
[58:04] Speaker 1: He just lost, so I think Jalen Brunson is more popular.
[58:07] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson? Yeah, he just beat him.
[58:09] Speaker 5: We talking about the views, not if he won or not.
[58:12] Speaker 5: We talking about before this shit started.
[58:14] Speaker 1: The viewership. Is it before it started or you saying
[58:16] Speaker 1: right now? Before it started or right now? I guarantee
[58:19] Speaker 1: there's more New York Knicks fans in the United States
[58:22] Speaker 1: and around the world than there are women. Hell yeah,
[58:24] Speaker 1: it is. For sure. I agree. Hell yeah. What about
[58:28] Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs fans? What about them? Is there more?
[58:31] Speaker 5: Than who?
[58:33] Speaker 1: What you just said. Around the world? Yes. Then who?
[58:36] Speaker 1: Knicks fans? Yes. No. I'm not going to have to
[58:38] Speaker 1: dunk this conversation with you. There are more fans in
[58:41] Speaker 1: New York that are New York fans. There are more
[58:43] Speaker 1: fans around the world. There are motherfuckers that just like
[58:45] Speaker 1: the New York Knicks. There are more fans around the world.
[58:49] Speaker 1: In 1973, there's no reason to fucking like the Knicks.
[58:51] Speaker 1: There's no fucking reason to be a.
[58:53] Speaker 5: Knicks fan for the last 30-something years because they haven't won.
[58:57] Speaker 1: All the Knicks fans that are Knicks fans have been
[59:00] Speaker 1: waiting for this.
[59:01] Speaker 5: So to get to the finals and to give the
[59:05] Speaker 5: energy that we can do.
[59:06] Speaker 1: It brought all the fans back. See, Brandon, what there
[59:10] Speaker 1: a dynasty in San Antonio? When you open it up, like,
[59:12] Speaker 1: I don't come out.
[59:13] Speaker 5: In there as San Antonio's first dynasty.
[59:16] Speaker 1: Didn't they win five championships? They did. They won six.
[59:19] Speaker 1: They won five championships. But they got to do with anything.
[59:23] Speaker 1: What does that have to do and have not to do?
[59:25] Speaker 1: It don't. No, it don't. It does not. It don't.
[59:27] Speaker 1: It does not.
[59:27] Speaker 5: Winning championships don't increase your fan base.
[59:30] Speaker 1: It does not because the Cowboys ain't won that motherfucker
[59:32] Speaker 1: 30 years.
[59:33] Speaker 6: And they ain't losing not one fan.
[59:35] Speaker 1: They the most expensive franchise there is. What does an
[59:38] Speaker 1: expensive franchise have to do with anything? Because they still
[59:40] Speaker 1: got viewership and fans and all that shit. No, they
[59:42] Speaker 1: got a rich owner.
[59:43] Speaker 5: No, they got fans around the world.
[59:46] Speaker 1: They got fans in Dallas. All the fans, all the
[59:49] Speaker 1: owners are rich. All the owners are wealthy, actually. The Raiders.
[59:52] Speaker 1: so they got a rich owner no all the owners
[59:55] Speaker 1: are wealthy actually uh.
[59:57] Speaker 5: All that has nothing to do it nothing has to
[1:00:00] Speaker 5: do nothing to do with.
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: The shot the top five nfl games every year feature
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: the dallas cowboys and raider.
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: In america's team right they are america just draw and
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: they ain't won the championship since wisconsin 30 years is
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: new york america's team america's back on top.
[1:00:17] Speaker 4: I'm just going to say apparently I'm seeing Knicks fans
[1:00:20] Speaker 4: come out of nowhere.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: Bandwagons. I'm seeing Knicks fans come out of nowhere. Nowhere, right?
[1:00:27] Speaker 4: You have a custom jersey, though, Swag.
[1:00:30] Speaker 6: Being a Knicks fan is diehard, man. The TL has
[1:00:33] Speaker 6: been filled with a lot of... I was like, damn,
[1:00:35] Speaker 6: you're a Knicks fan. Remember Brooklyn? The boy came in
[1:00:38] Speaker 6: and said, man, the Knicks just want to.
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: Like, come on, man. We're not going to have that.
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: There are more Knicks fans, Lakers fans, Cowboys fans, Yankees fans.
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: around the world than there is any other sports franchise.
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: And the soccer teams from over there as well. So,
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: I mean, we did fit that as well. We did
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: win this down in this finals with Knicks fans coming
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: to San Antonio, taking over the arena.
[1:01:02] Speaker 3: Did Brunson just top like every Yankee in New York?
[1:01:05] Speaker 3: Is he the biggest New York? Is he the king
[1:01:07] Speaker 3: of New York?
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: When, right now? Over a year. He cannot take Derrick
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: Jeter's work. Right. They just won it, so he's the freshest,
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: but not of all. No, he ain't. I'm talking about
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: all sports. He got a long way to go. He
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: got a long way to go. Right now, because New
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: York sports is down right now. The Knicks are up.
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: Everybody else is. You got Yankees, the Giants. I'm saying
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: the Yankees. You know the Yankees. The football scene in
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: New York is ass. But LT is good out there.
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: But that boy got a long way to go. I'm saying,
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: King of New York, all them Yankees? Nah, he ain't
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: doing that. Derek Jeter is him out there.
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: You mean the Knicks are championship? That's like winning at
[1:01:47] Speaker 3: the Clippers, shit.
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: Brunson, King of New York.
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the Clippers winning championship.
[1:01:52] Speaker 4: There's been a lot of discourse about where Jalen Brunson
[1:01:54] Speaker 4: ranks amongst the Knicks elite. So even after winning the
[1:01:57] Speaker 4: Knicks first chip in 53 years, his father, Rick, wasn't
[1:02:01] Speaker 4: ready to give him the crown just yet as the
[1:02:03] Speaker 4: Knicks go.
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: I'm going to stop the argument, too.
[1:02:05] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: You know, I love my son. Patrick, you're the best, Nick,
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: that I've ever witnessed. Oh, I didn't say that. No,
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: I just want people to, like, you know. Well, I'm
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: going to say it's going to be debatable. It can
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: be debatable. No, no, no. It's going to be debatable now. Because. Because.
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: Damn, daddy.
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: All right. Fuck you, too, dad. Fuck you, dad. I'm
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: going to say it back about Rick. No, never.
[1:02:36] Speaker 4: Skippy, Jalen Brunson, the greatest Knick of all time, covered
[1:02:38] Speaker 4: a lot of basketball in your time. Obviously, Willis Reed,
[1:02:41] Speaker 4: Walt Clyde Frazier, Patrick Ewing, just had been a lot
[1:02:43] Speaker 4: of tremendous Knicks.
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: Kenyon asked me this the other day before the show started,
[1:02:49] Speaker 2: because you got asked, didn't you do a video about it,
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: ranked the all-time Knicks, and Jalen Brunson hadn't happened yet, right?
[1:02:57] Speaker 2: And he asked me, and just off the top of
[1:02:59] Speaker 2: my head, I said, Willis Reed, just because he did
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: win two finals MVPs, in two championship runs in, what
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: was it, 70 and 73. So I said, I'm going
[1:03:10] Speaker 2: to go Willis Reed. Who else did you have up there?
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: Clyde.
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: Clyde was up there.
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: Clyde Frazier and Pat.
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: And Pat, okay. Look, I don't want to just be
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: prisoner of this moment, but what this little man just did,
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: it's just beyond all this. It's so great, but maybe
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: it's going to take time to sink in where it's
[1:03:34] Speaker 2: going to take time to reflect on it. Maybe it's
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: going to take several years for people to look back
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: and say, yeah, but look at what Jalen Brunson did.
[1:03:44] Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just caught up in the moment, but it
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: just seems like Willis Reed happened even before me, so
[1:03:52] Speaker 2: that's how far back that goes. So I don't have
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: a good sense of what Willis Reed looked like on
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: the floor. I have a little sense of Clyde, but
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: I know Clyde more from his attire and his commentating,
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: which is spectacular, and continues to be. He's still a
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: big deal in New York City with Knicks fans. So
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: they're going to elevate him. And then Patrick Ewing didn't win,
[1:04:15] Speaker 2: but every Knicks fan I know, if you ask them,
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: they'll just say Patrick Ewing. Just because heart and soul
[1:04:23] Speaker 2: and played his guts out every night, fought, scrapped, scratched, clawed,
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: did everything he could to win and couldn't get past
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. Okay, so you give him a little, you
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: cut him a little slack there, but the Knicks fans still,
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: if you ask them for a blind, you know, election
[1:04:48] Speaker 2: right now, they would still vote for Patrick Ewing, I think.
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: You don't think so?
[1:04:54] Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like there's a lot of younger
[1:04:56] Speaker 4: generation of Knicks fans.
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
[1:04:59] Speaker 1: The population wasn't alive when the Knicks won it last year.
[1:05:04] Speaker 4: I think the old heads would still go with, like,
[1:05:05] Speaker 4: Rick Brunson would still go with Pat Young. I feel
[1:05:07] Speaker 4: like this younger generation now. You've seen the videos on
[1:05:10] Speaker 4: social media, the things they're saying to Jalen Brunson, right?
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: 17 years to four. Four years as a Knick. Chipped us.
[1:05:18] Speaker 5: 17 years as a Knick. He got it done. He
[1:05:21] Speaker 5: just got there. Got the chip done. That's the way
[1:05:24] Speaker 5: I played the other day, right?
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: So I didn't see Clyde or Willis Reed play, right?
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: But they are in the top five, right? I said
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson. I put Patrick Ewing as the best Knick
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: of all time, right? And I said, if Jalen Brunson
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: wins it, he can slide into that spot. Yes, absolutely.
[1:05:45] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But for longevity and what
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: Pat did for the Knicks in that city, yeah, it's
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing, man. Like, it hurt my soul to see
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: him with that damn magic uniform on, man. Like, it
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: did some dis- It hurt my soul to see Patrick
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: Ewing in that jersey. Nights like this, I wish. I'm
[1:06:07] Speaker 1: going Jalen Brunson.
[1:06:08] Speaker 3: I'm going Jalen Brunson.
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: Raindrops will fall.
[1:06:12] Speaker 6: I'm going to go Jalen Brunson. Just with everything that
[1:06:14] Speaker 6: we've said about him, the underdog. I know he's only
[1:06:16] Speaker 6: been there for four years. But as a small guard,
[1:06:21] Speaker 6: everybody's saying that you were not going to be able
[1:06:22] Speaker 6: to do this at the Mecca, in the Mecca of basketball.
[1:06:26] Speaker 6: I mean, the highest of the highest. you know, of
[1:06:29] Speaker 6: any team that has pressure of winning. And then even
[1:06:33] Speaker 6: for his dad to say, like, you know, Patrick Coon
[1:06:36] Speaker 6: is the best, I'm not rolling with that.
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: Like, that's why I love the ball dad. LeVar? Yeah,
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: I love LeVar because... I mean, come on, man. Like,
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: this your son and your son. You want your dad
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: to lie to you? No, no, no, no.
[1:06:48] Speaker 5: You want your dad to lie to you and not
[1:06:51] Speaker 5: be honest with you?
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: No, you're not being honest. That's what you're saying. No,
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: you're not being honest. Yes, he is. No, you're not
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: being honest. It's what he thinks, bro. He said, this
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: is what I think. First and foremost, I love my son.
[1:07:03] Speaker 5: I love my son, but who I witnessed.
[1:07:07] Speaker 1: LeVar Ball would have been like, I told y'all. I
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: told y'all. I told y'all this is why.
[1:07:13] Speaker 6: I told y'all this is why he took the pay cut.
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: I told y'all this is why. He can say all
[1:07:16] Speaker 1: of those things, but he's not going to say he's
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: the greatest. Why he think? Because he's not. He is.
[1:07:21] Speaker 1: He is the greatest. He is. I get Pat. I
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: get Pat got drafted there and everything like that. He's
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: had it 10 years in that franchise. He never won.
[1:07:31] Speaker 1: I got it done for y'all. I wonder why. I
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: got it done for y'all. I wonder why he didn't
[1:07:34] Speaker 1: get it done. He ran into Jordan. He ran into Jordan. Wait,
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: hold on. Michael Jordan retired? You had a chance?
[1:07:38] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: Then you lost to Hakeem and God. You lost to
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: the Spurs. I beat my ass. Five to one. Four
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: to one. So you want your dad to lie to you.
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: Let's go back to that. That's not lying. It can't
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: be a lie if he's debating. His dad has been
[1:07:53] Speaker 1: honest with him his whole life. It's just my opinion.
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: It's just my opinion. I think of LeVar Ball. I
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: like LeVar Ball. It's just my opinion. Because Pat Ewing
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: is the greatest nigga of all time in most people's
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: opinion that live in New York City. But in some
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: people's eyes, Brunson are. So why are you trying to
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: change his dad's opinion? I just have a problem. You
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: can have your opinion. I just have a problem with it.
[1:08:14] Speaker 2: Wait, didn't Rick Brunson play with Pat?
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: Played with Pat, yeah. Played on the team with Pat.
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: And you on a team with me. One got it done,
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: one didn't. I'm watching both. You back over here, Dad,
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: because of me. I'm watching both. I'm going to say, Dad,
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: I love you.
[1:08:29] Speaker 5: I would have told Dad, I love you, but no,
[1:08:31] Speaker 5: you wilding right now.
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, you wilding right now. He is taking that into account.
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: I mean, it's cool. It's cool. That Pat didn't get
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: it done. Rick was there. He's taking that into account.
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: Trust me.
[1:08:46] Speaker 4: He's being a good dad, though. I want you to
[1:08:47] Speaker 4: still be hungry. I want you to keep working. One
[1:08:49] Speaker 4: is not enough. I'm happy with what we've done.
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: But you're not there yet. Listen, Rick didn't need to
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: say that for Jalen to want to work. But he
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: put in that work. It's okay to give your son
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: some credit. He didn't need to say that. It's okay.
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: to give your son some credit, though. In that moment, right?
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It's just bad. Yeah. Bad timing. Yeah. Right?
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: It's bad timing is what it is.
[1:09:10] Speaker 5: Why?
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: Because your son just wanted it. Yeah. Let him have
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: his moment. I'm going to give another one. Let him
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: have his moment. You got to. It's just bad timing. Yeah. Right.
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: You can feel that way. You can think that. But
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: from what I'm gathering, I didn't even get to ask
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: the question. Man. Listen. Rick said he gonna let it
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: be known. Let it be known. They didn't even get
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: the question now. They ain't even ask the question. They
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: ain't even ask the question. What would Joe Jackson? They
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: ain't even ask the question.
[1:09:38] Speaker 5: Damn, that's how you feel?
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: That's how you feel?
[1:09:40] Speaker 5: Like....
[1:09:42] Speaker 1: Let them ask, Spurs. Ain't they got an opening in
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: Atlanta right now? Like, ain't they need a top assistant
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: in Orlando? Don't Sean Sweeney need a top assistant in Orlando?
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: But ungrateful.
[1:09:57] Speaker 4: We're going to talk Spurs or talk Knicks throughout the week.
[1:09:59] Speaker 4: They got their championship parade coming up Thursday in Manhattan,
[1:10:02] Speaker 4: so it's going to be turned up all week long.
[1:10:04] Speaker 4: Now let's dive into the Spurs. First, we have to
[1:10:06] Speaker 4: address a questionable moment that went down at the conclusion
[1:10:09] Speaker 4: of Game 5 as Wimby and several of his teammates
[1:10:12] Speaker 4: opted to leave the floor immediately without shaking hands with
[1:10:15] Speaker 4: the Knicks.
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: It was questionable, K.N. I said it. I sat here
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: on this very couch and told y'all what? Sportsmanship is overrated.
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: Didn't I tell y'all that? Didn't I say shaking hands
[1:10:27] Speaker 1: is overrated? It ain't in the rule book for us
[1:10:30] Speaker 1: to do it. I said that right here.
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: But after a final.
[1:10:34] Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care, Skip. Preseason, regular season,
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: finals game. I don't care. It's overrated. It's overrated.
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: Did you shake hands after you lost?
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: No. Did you walk off? I walked the hell off. Okay.
[1:10:51] Speaker 2: Well, then you walked your talk.
[1:10:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, walk off. I'm not, like, congratulations. Yes, y'all did it. Yeah.
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: Did you do it like that? But I'm not finna
[1:11:03] Speaker 1: beat her and witness that. Like, I don't need to
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: sit there and watch confetti fall for me to want
[1:11:08] Speaker 1: to win it more.
[1:11:09] Speaker 4: Like, that doesn't do it for me. So, Wimby shouldn't
[1:11:11] Speaker 4: have walked over to the Knicks bench. If he wanted to,
[1:11:13] Speaker 4: that's fine.
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: Like, with eight minutes to go, he should have walked
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: over there. No, see, that's– none of it. None of it.
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: That's crazy. I'm about to say, y'all just– And J. Will. Oh,
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: my God. I saw J. Will say the exact same
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: thing on the first take this morning. He said the
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: exact same thing. It's over. Why? It ain't in the
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: rule book. Man. Because one young lady that's on the
[1:11:35] Speaker 1: tape said, it's in the rule. He like, show me
[1:11:37] Speaker 1: the rule. Show me the rule that says I have
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: to shake your hand after we play.
[1:11:42] Speaker 3: Can you imagine that with LeBron?
[1:11:44] Speaker 1: LeBron died. That was LeBron. That was LeBron. My hair
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: was broke off. So why do they teach sportsmanship when
[1:11:51] Speaker 1: we're young?
[1:11:52] Speaker 7: So why do they teach sportsmanship when we're young?
[1:11:55] Speaker 1: That's what you teach kids. It's overrated. I'm going to
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: like a lot of it. That's what you teach kids.
[1:12:00] Speaker 6: But I think if it's not going to be a
[1:12:01] Speaker 6: big deal when we get to the NBA.
[1:12:04] Speaker 7: So why do we have to do it in college?
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: Why do we have to do it in high school?
[1:12:07] Speaker 7: Why are you programming me?
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: Everybody don't make it to that level, Brandon. No. I know.
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: I get it.
[1:12:13] Speaker 7: But we should just take it out of the game then.
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: Why? Because why are we doing it? Because you don't
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: want your kids to be. You have kids, right? Everybody
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: got kids on this couch, right? You don't want your
[1:12:29] Speaker 1: kids behaving in certain manners, right? You want to teach
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: them good morals before they can make these decisions for themselves.
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: That's a cute behavior right there. But he made a decision.
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: They made a decision as a professional athlete, right? You
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: don't want your kid going to school with that. Right, right, right.
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: So kids are watching and they see that. Therefore you
[1:12:56] Speaker 1: tell your child that.
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: But that's the face of the league, though. Everybody want
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: to be the face of the league until you take
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: an L and got to do the responsibility of a
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: face of the league.
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: Aren't we good? No. Diplomacy. No, it is. Diplomacy. I
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: hear you, B. No, it is. You solved it.
[1:13:11] Speaker 7: It's So Isaiah Thomas. Yeah, he got killed for that.
[1:13:19] Speaker 7: And then he doesn't because, you know, Michael Jordan felt
[1:13:21] Speaker 7: like it was disrespect. So I'm just saying.
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: The whole pistons. Yeah, the whole pistons walk right by him.
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: That's my choice whether I want to shake your hand
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: or not. I'm a grown ass man. I have that
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: right whether I want to shake your hand or not.
[1:13:34] Speaker 2: That was a team choice. You know, they all decided.
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: And the only one that stayed out there from what
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: I could tell was Luke Cornett.
[1:13:39] Speaker 4: Luke Cornett, some of the Spurs coaching staff, he only
[1:13:42] Speaker 4: got two people up.
[1:13:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So, therefore, he only
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: got two people up. So, therefore, it's, like I said,
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's just like you want to teach
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: your kids certain things before they're growing up, right? You
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: want to instill certain morals and values in them as children. Mm-hmm.
[1:14:00] Speaker 7: And as adults, we're going toward an adult, too.
[1:14:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, but then they're able to make their own decisions
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: after a while, right?
[1:14:09] Speaker 6: Yeah, but those decisions do still cost you, so those
[1:14:12] Speaker 6: are still teaching things. I mean, because as a grown man,
[1:14:15] Speaker 6: I still never stopped learning.
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: That is true, yes, but we're not playing sports anymore. No. Like,
[1:14:22] Speaker 1: we're not playing sports anymore, so if somebody, like, if
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: we get up from a business meeting and it's a
[1:14:28] Speaker 1: thing like that, We shake hands, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
[1:14:35] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: If the business meeting goes accordingly, right? Yeah, sometimes. Yeah,
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: but then if not, you have the right after, however
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: you deem, feel after the business meeting, whether you want
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: to shake that man's hand or not. That's something. That's
[1:14:49] Speaker 1: your choice.
[1:14:49] Speaker 6: So you're only shaking my hand if you feel like
[1:14:53] Speaker 6: it was okay.
[1:14:54] Speaker 1: No, I don't. If I win. If I win. Only
[1:14:57] Speaker 1: if I win. If I win. If it's a business meeting,
[1:14:59] Speaker 1: no matter how it went, I'm still going to, no
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: matter how I feel, if it's a business meeting, my... Okay, okay,
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: for you.
[1:15:06] Speaker 6: So, okay, so win or lose in the business meeting,
[1:15:08] Speaker 6: you're still shaking a hand.
[1:15:09] Speaker 1: Thank you for the opportunity. Why is there a business?
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: Why is there a win and a lose in the
[1:15:12] Speaker 1: business meeting? Are you getting the bag or not getting
[1:15:14] Speaker 1: the bag? I mean, yeah. Am I getting the benefits? So,
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: are you, is there an offer here? Like, is that
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: the business meeting?
[1:15:21] Speaker 7: I don't know.
[1:15:21] Speaker 6: I'm just saying the business meeting, it could be like, yo.
[1:15:24] Speaker 1: Man, we can't do it no more, this and that. Oh,
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: fuck it. Y'all wasting my goddamn time. I'm out of here.
[1:15:29] Speaker 1: It depends on the situation and the circumstance. Yeah. It
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: all matters. I know, but I'm saying no matter what
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: happens in a business meeting, you're going to shake their hand.
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: Every business meeting is different. Every business meeting is different. Okay.
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: Just like every game is different, but every business meeting
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: is different.
[1:15:42] Speaker 5: Right?
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: It depends on what the business mean and tell. So
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: in boxing, they always... So I can't be mad and
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: shake your hand? After we get done fighting, I understand
[1:15:53] Speaker 1: it because that's their sport and their craft. I understand.
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: So if you lose in the boxing, you ain't going
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: to dap him up? I've never been in boxing. Like
[1:15:58] Speaker 1: I said, that's probably why I didn't. Okay. Right? That's
[1:16:01] Speaker 1: probably why I wasn't in that profession because of how
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: I grew up and the way I developed certain things.
[1:16:06] Speaker 1: It's a good thing that I probably wasn't because I
[1:16:08] Speaker 1: would probably be looked at in a certain light. Maybe.
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: I don't know. But I play the team sport, and
[1:16:14] Speaker 1: that's just the way I chose to go.
[1:16:16] Speaker 5: Winning, losing matters. Winning and losing matters. Winning and losing matters.
[1:16:21] Speaker 5: Soft baby. He's a cry-protected baby. Everybody protected him because
[1:16:27] Speaker 5: he didn't fucking shake hands. We all making.
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: Excuses for this shit. I ain't making no excuses. He's
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: a cry baby, bro. He's a cry baby. Let him
[1:16:33] Speaker 1: have his moment. No, no. I just think he's overrated.
[1:16:37] Speaker 1: He's a cry baby, bro. Let him have his moment.
[1:16:39] Speaker 1: He's a cry baby. So everybody that don't shake hands crybaby?
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: He's a crybaby, bro. Everybody? He's a crybaby. Oh, just when?
[1:16:46] Speaker 3: He got more responsibility than everybody in the league, according
[1:16:50] Speaker 3: to some people. He haven't took losing well at all.
[1:16:53] Speaker 3: He out there trying to hurt motherfuckers, pushing people's heads,
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: elbowing people. He's whining like shit everywhere we go, and
[1:16:59] Speaker 3: we still protect this man. Motherfucker left without talking to
[1:17:02] Speaker 3: the media. I ain't hear y'all say nothing.
[1:17:04] Speaker 1: Oh, I did. I said something.
[1:17:06] Speaker 5: I wouldn't talk to the media neither. Now, oh, I
[1:17:08] Speaker 5: didn't shake hands? Why is shaking hands a part of
[1:17:11] Speaker 5: the game? Why are we teaching shaking hands? Like, this
[1:17:14] Speaker 5: shit is crazy. We protecting him too much, bro. If
[1:17:18] Speaker 5: I was somebody in the summertime, if I whoop his ass,
[1:17:21] Speaker 5: then I.
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: Get a pass, too. All right? Attack him. Yeah, just
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: whip his ass. Attack him, Nick. You be the one.
[1:17:28] Speaker 1: This is not a job. Attack him. This is not
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: a competition now. I don't have to shake your hands.
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: Fuck you, Nick. It's a competition. I can say fuck
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: you too in the summertime. It's a competition. That's why
[1:17:37] Speaker 1: I didn't shake your hand. It's a competition. That's why
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: I didn't shake your hand.
[1:17:39] Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying. I can do
[1:17:41] Speaker 3: what I want to people now. That's what we're saying.
[1:17:44] Speaker 3: It's not a job.
[1:17:45] Speaker 1: Who is we? What are you saying? It's not shaking hands.
[1:17:48] Speaker 1: Every great player did it.
[1:17:50] Speaker 5: You could lose the game and be responsible and shake
[1:17:52] Speaker 5: somebody's hands and still feel this type of way.
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas was great. He's top five point guard of
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: all time. He didn't shake their hand. He's great. And
[1:17:59] Speaker 1: it was a consequence. And look at him. Look at him.
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: It's not insane. Guess what, Nick? He's been criticized ever since. Nick,
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: guess what, Nick? Two-time champion. And he's been involved with
[1:18:11] Speaker 1: the NBA since he stepped foot out of the NBA.
[1:18:13] Speaker 5: He's been executives, coaching. This man has been in every
[1:18:18] Speaker 5: role that possibly could.
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: Be in the NBA after not shaking Michael Jordan's hand.
[1:18:23] Speaker 1: When did that happen?
[1:18:24] Speaker 3: That happened 30-something years ago, and we're still talking about
[1:18:26] Speaker 3: it to this day.
[1:18:27] Speaker 1: So that means it's something. We're still talking about it.
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: Because people do this. Because this happens and people bring
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: it up. Because it's still a black mark on his name.
[1:18:37] Speaker 1: It don't matter what you say, it's still a blemish.
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: He don't know his history. It only brings it up
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: because he didn't make the Olympic team. And Mike said,
[1:18:44] Speaker 1: I'm not playing with this nigga if he's on the team.
[1:18:46] Speaker 1: So the reason why I'm not playing with this nigga
[1:18:48] Speaker 1: on the team is because he didn't shake my hand
[1:18:49] Speaker 1: after we beat him. Because he's soft. I don't want
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: nobody soft. What you just said is not accurate. He's soft.
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: I don't respect that. The reason why everybody bring it
[1:18:58] Speaker 1: up is because he didn't make the Olympic. He met
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: the criteria to be selected, though. But he was. I
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: don't respect that. I just think.
[1:19:09] Speaker 6: Isaiah Thomas' situation should be a learning experience from everybody. Like,
[1:19:13] Speaker 6: you know, the greats, like, that put a little sting
[1:19:16] Speaker 6: on his career. And from all the greats who have
[1:19:19] Speaker 6: lost in the finals, they do shake their hands.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: That's all. It's a part of growing. That wouldn't even
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: be finals.
[1:19:25] Speaker 6: I know, but I'm just saying, if I'm learning something,
[1:19:27] Speaker 6: if you're teaching me something, I'm going to, I'm going.
[1:19:32] Speaker 7: To keep that as I grow as an adult and everything.
[1:19:34] Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to stop.
[1:19:35] Speaker 4: So skip, let's shift over to you. I'm very active
[1:19:37] Speaker 4: on social media. You were, you were very active as
[1:19:40] Speaker 4: well on the app, formerly known as Twitter. You had
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: a new name for Wimby, if I'm not mistaken. So
[1:19:45] Speaker 4: do you want to let us know what your thoughts
[1:19:48] Speaker 4: are on this situation?
[1:19:51] Speaker 2: I've said again and again on this couch, uh, to
[1:19:55] Speaker 2: Nick's point, there's a lot of spoiled child still in
[1:19:58] Speaker 2: there with this kid. And I realize he's only 22,
[1:20:01] Speaker 2: but he played three years of pro ball in France,
[1:20:03] Speaker 2: and now he's played three years in our league, the
[1:20:07] Speaker 2: greatest league. And I'm not going to give him a
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: 22-year-old pass on this. And to Kenyon's point, there was
[1:20:15] Speaker 2: never an ounce of spoiled child in you. Not an ounce.
[1:20:19] Speaker 2: So your reason for walking off at the end of
[1:20:24] Speaker 2: the finals, was completely and utterly different than his reason
[1:20:27] Speaker 2: for walking off.
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: What's that?
[1:20:32] Speaker 2: No, because we're not talking about.
[1:20:35] Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out how you.
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: Know what Wimby's reason was. Like, how you figure that out?
[1:20:43] Speaker 2: So here's what happened. Let's go back to Game 7,
[1:20:47] Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, after the game. Wimby sits up there. in
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: his media session, and he is so full of himself
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: that he says, this is like oxygen to me. I
[1:20:59] Speaker 2: want to have this feeling, and I'm quoting him here,
[1:21:01] Speaker 2: I want to have this feeling 15 or 20 more times.
[1:21:04] Speaker 2: It's like my life depends on it. This is the
[1:21:07] Speaker 2: entry hall to our castle that we're building. This is
[1:21:10] Speaker 2: after game seven in Oklahoma City, he's going to his
[1:21:12] Speaker 2: first finals. And for me, that was some really premature
[1:21:17] Speaker 2: arrogance on a kid's part, who's very immature and spoiled
[1:21:22] Speaker 2: braddish to me. And it was reminiscent of LeBron, who
[1:21:27] Speaker 2: was a more mature player at this point, but when
[1:21:29] Speaker 2: he went to Miami and did that big rah-rah session
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: with the fans, not one, not two, not three, and
[1:21:36] Speaker 2: he went all the way up to six or seven,
[1:21:38] Speaker 2: and he was much more established in his career than
[1:21:41] Speaker 2: Wimby was, but 15 or 20 more finals and And
[1:21:45] Speaker 2: then the other night after the game, maybe I missed it,
[1:21:49] Speaker 2: maybe I didn't stay long enough in the session, but
[1:21:51] Speaker 2: I didn't hear one word of congratulations to the Knicks.
[1:21:54] Speaker 2: And you, if asked by the media after you walked
[1:21:57] Speaker 2: off without shaking, if somebody asked you about how well
[1:22:03] Speaker 2: the opposition played, I think you would give them their due, right?
[1:22:07] Speaker 2: That's just how you were. That's how you were built.
[1:22:09] Speaker 2: That's how you were taught. And he says after the game...
[1:22:13] Speaker 2: We absolutely dominated for most of the series. We absolutely dominated.
[1:22:19] Speaker 2: You lost in five. You blew them out in every
[1:22:24] Speaker 2: first quarter. You were up 10 or more after the
[1:22:27] Speaker 2: first quarter every single time. And you did not dominate
[1:22:31] Speaker 2: down the stretch because you personally, and I can detail
[1:22:34] Speaker 2: this for you, disappeared every stretch, every last five minutes,
[1:22:38] Speaker 2: you disappeared. The biggest, tallest guy on the court disappeared
[1:22:42] Speaker 2: every time and let your team down and did not
[1:22:45] Speaker 2: acknowledge any of that. And he went so far as
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: to say, what I'm pissed about, it's probably a hundred
[1:22:51] Speaker 2: games before we can get back to the finals. Well,
[1:22:55] Speaker 2: Like it's a foregone conclusion you're going to get back
[1:22:58] Speaker 2: next year? Because it's not to me. It's not a
[1:23:00] Speaker 2: foregone conclusion for anybody. It's just too hard, as you
[1:23:04] Speaker 2: well know.
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[1:23:05] Speaker 2: And he has no idea how hard this is going
[1:23:08] Speaker 2: to be. This is just the start of this.
[1:23:10] Speaker 5: You predicted the OKC Thunder to make it again next year.
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: Though, Skip.
[1:23:14] Speaker 2: Have I predicted?
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: You already said it.
[1:23:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, OK, so thank you. I validate what I just said.
[1:23:20] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:23:20] Speaker 1: He's a fan. He's not a player. Okay. Wimby's French, though.
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: Let's just point that out. Every player that loved their team,
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: they're going to win it next year.
[1:23:29] Speaker 2: But I just think they're going to be the best team.
[1:23:31] Speaker 2: If they're healthy, they're the best team. And by the way,
[1:23:33] Speaker 2: go look at ESPN.com. They got their power rankings for
[1:23:35] Speaker 2: next year up. Oklahoma City is number one.
[1:23:38] Speaker 5: So Wimby's not allowed to have the confidence to say
[1:23:40] Speaker 5: his team is going to be back in 100 games?
[1:23:42] Speaker 2: It's just premature arrogance. And there's a lot of arrogance
[1:23:45] Speaker 2: in this kid. Remember in game four after he coaxed
[1:23:49] Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson into the flagrant, and he's sitting on his
[1:23:52] Speaker 2: butt saying, I'm in your head. No, no, they're in
[1:23:56] Speaker 2: your head is what happened again and again. So just quickly,
[1:24:00] Speaker 2: I'm going to run through these five fourth-quarter finishes for
[1:24:03] Speaker 2: Victor Wimbanyama. So game one, he made two free throws
[1:24:08] Speaker 2: to his credit with 2.16 left that gave them a
[1:24:10] Speaker 2: two-point lead. And after that, disappeared. He had 57 seconds left,
[1:24:15] Speaker 2: a huge turnover, high dribble, and Josh Hart stole it
[1:24:18] Speaker 2: and went the other way with it. And then 32
[1:24:20] Speaker 2: seconds left, he missed a huge three that could have
[1:24:22] Speaker 2: made it a game. Then game two, it was just
[1:24:26] Speaker 2: a disaster again at San Antonio because he shoots the
[1:24:29] Speaker 2: air ball three with 137 to go. 30 seconds left,
[1:24:33] Speaker 2: he misses the 17-footer from the wing. It was woefully
[1:24:38] Speaker 2: short and barely ticked the rim. Then he had the
[1:24:40] Speaker 2: huge turnover where he hit Steph Castle in the back
[1:24:43] Speaker 2: with the pass with 10 seconds to go. And then
[1:24:45] Speaker 2: he's got the game winner two seconds to go, and
[1:24:47] Speaker 2: he missed the 20-footer to win it. It was online.
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: It was long.
[1:24:50] Speaker 2: He's now one for nine in his career on late
[1:24:54] Speaker 2: and close shots, one for nine. And then game three,
[1:24:58] Speaker 2: they did win it at the Garden, but he didn't
[1:25:00] Speaker 2: score a point in the last five minutes of that game.
[1:25:03] Speaker 2: And remember, the way they won it was Stephon Castle,
[1:25:06] Speaker 2: who's a pretty terrible three-point shooter and shot– For the finals,
[1:25:11] Speaker 2: he shot 30% from three. He made one huge three
[1:25:15] Speaker 2: that was the dagger, right, in game three down the stretch.
[1:25:18] Speaker 2: Then he went to the free throw line and made
[1:25:20] Speaker 2: the two free throws. And guess who made the 14-footer
[1:25:23] Speaker 2: that was also a crucial bucket? It was De'Aaron Fox,
[1:25:26] Speaker 2: who was terrible in the finals, but he made one
[1:25:29] Speaker 2: big shot, and that's how they stole game three. And
[1:25:32] Speaker 2: then game four... the classic, the greatest comeback ever, Victor
[1:25:38] Speaker 2: Wiminyama's two for nine in the fourth quarter and missed
[1:25:40] Speaker 2: the two free throws with 147 left that threw the,
[1:25:44] Speaker 2: you know, the door was wide open after that. And
[1:25:47] Speaker 2: then he took Jalen Brunson on the inbounds pass, leaving
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: the lane wide open for OG's run and the greatest
[1:25:53] Speaker 2: tip in in the history of basketball. In the fourth
[1:25:56] Speaker 2: quarter of game four, Victor Wiminyama had zero defensive rebounds
[1:26:00] Speaker 2: and zero blocks. Well, you just disappeared. And then brings
[1:26:04] Speaker 2: me to game five. So San Antonio's up two with
[1:26:07] Speaker 2: four minutes to go.
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: They're up two.
[1:26:09] Speaker 2: And Victor just completely whiffs the rest of the way.
[1:26:13] Speaker 2: He does nothing. He scores zero points. And when you
[1:26:20] Speaker 2: score zero points, that means you didn't even try to
[1:26:23] Speaker 2: get the ball in the lane at all. So he
[1:26:25] Speaker 2: took no two-point shots. He took two three-point shots over
[1:26:28] Speaker 2: the last four minutes of the closeout game.
[1:26:31] Speaker 5: And.
[1:26:32] Speaker 2: He had one rebound, no assist, and missed another big
[1:26:37] Speaker 2: free throw that kept the door open for the Knicks.
[1:26:40] Speaker 2: So I just showed you all five. You can't give
[1:26:42] Speaker 2: me one close by Victor Wimignano where I say, oh,
[1:26:45] Speaker 2: that was impressive. That showed me something. He showed me nothing.
[1:26:50] Speaker 2: Five straight closing stretches the last five minutes of those games.
[1:26:54] Speaker 2: And then he's saying we dominated them for most of
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: the series.
[1:26:58] Speaker 1: No, you didn't.
[1:26:59] Speaker 2: Not when it mattered.
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: He had to go play for Kenny Atkinson. He said, right.
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: You need to go play. You need to go play
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: the Canadiac. Analytically, they won games analytically, Skip. They did
[1:27:11] Speaker 1: lead for 72% of the series. I get that. That's
[1:27:13] Speaker 1: why he said we. He said we. He said we.
[1:27:17] Speaker 1: He didn't say I. He said we dominated. To win
[1:27:20] Speaker 1: the games. And they just lost it. So confused. Analytically. Yeah.
[1:27:24] Speaker 1: I mean, they young. Before they win the game. The
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: analytical champion. But I like, I mean, I like when
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: we be confident as to saying we'll be back. I mean. Oh.
[1:27:30] Speaker 7: They're young.
[1:27:32] Speaker 1: Every team that loses in the finals say it.
[1:27:36] Speaker 6: Yeah, but this is the youngest team to go to
[1:27:38] Speaker 6: the finals.
[1:27:40] Speaker 1: They lost a lot of the game.
[1:27:42] Speaker 5: We'll be back. We'll be back too. They didn't make
[1:27:46] Speaker 5: it to the finals.
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: Conference finals when they lost, we'll be back. Conference finals.
[1:27:51] Speaker 2: Rashad, to all your points about victory.
[1:27:53] Speaker 5: We made it to the finals the next year and
[1:27:55] Speaker 5: won it. We got here and we said we're going
[1:27:58] Speaker 5: to be back. Donovan Mitchell kept saying we're going to
[1:28:01] Speaker 5: get back. Guys who have confidence say that kind of stuff.
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: They believe it.
[1:28:05] Speaker 2: Okay, but they don't say we're going to be back
[1:28:07] Speaker 2: 15 to 20 times, right?
[1:28:09] Speaker 1: No, they don't. I mean, that's what he would like.
[1:28:11] Speaker 5: So, does it bother you that he has that much confidence?
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: I would like to still be playing in the NBA, too.
[1:28:15] Speaker 5: It bothers people. Confidence does bother you.
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: I would still like to be playing as well.
[1:28:19] Speaker 2: False confidence bothers people. You got to show me first.
[1:28:22] Speaker 1: You got to show me. I don't have to show
[1:28:23] Speaker 1: you nothing. I don't have to do nothing.
[1:28:26] Speaker 5: If you sitting around saying I got to show you
[1:28:28] Speaker 5: some shit, it's you sitting around waiting for me to
[1:28:30] Speaker 5: impress you.
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: I don't have to impress you.
[1:28:32] Speaker 3: No.
[1:28:32] Speaker 2: Because I've seen nothing. I've seen nothing.
[1:28:36] Speaker 1: He got there. He helped his team get to the finals.
[1:28:40] Speaker 1: He got second place. Skip, you've seen nothing? But he
[1:28:42] Speaker 1: helped his team get. There's only one winner.
[1:28:45] Speaker 3: No.
[1:28:45] Speaker 1: There's only one winner. There's only one winner.
[1:28:47] Speaker 4: Getting to the finals is a tremendous accomplishment is what
[1:28:49] Speaker 4: you're saying. For Victor, he feels like that is. For him, yes.
[1:28:54] Speaker 1: For him, he feels like it is an accomplishment. And
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: he feels like he's going to get there again next year. Well,
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: I'm going to be the one to tell you it ain't.
[1:29:01] Speaker 1: Because I got to that motherfucker twice. That's what season four?
[1:29:06] Speaker 1: After you got there twice, did you think that they
[1:29:08] Speaker 1: were just— I got there twice, goddammit. Did you get
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: there back-to-back? Back-to-back, yes, and lost twice, dammit.
[1:29:14] Speaker 5: Did you have confidence that you would get back there?
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: And didn't get— did I ever. You had confidence to get back, right?
[1:29:20] Speaker 1: You was like, we can get back. We thought we
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: were a really good team. We had the best team
[1:29:23] Speaker 1: in the East. We thought all those things, and guess what? Hmm.
[1:29:27] Speaker 1: So let's talk Little Wimby and Spurs. Just facts. Talk
[1:29:30] Speaker 1: Little Wimby.
[1:29:30] Speaker 4: Spurs held double-digit leads in every game of this series,
[1:29:33] Speaker 4: proceeded to trick off four of them to get eliminated.
[1:29:35] Speaker 4: So Wimby fell short of his goal, disappeared at times
[1:29:38] Speaker 4: during the finals, but the French free nom was impressive
[1:29:40] Speaker 4: in his first playoff run.
[1:29:41] Speaker 1: We can give him that.
[1:29:42] Speaker 4: He averaged 24 points, 11 rebounds, three assists, four blocks,
[1:29:45] Speaker 4: and one steal per game. Joining Hakeem and Kareem as
[1:29:47] Speaker 4: the only players to average those numbers and reach the finals.
[1:29:50] Speaker 4: His 524 points in the playoffs, also the most for
[1:29:53] Speaker 4: a player age 22 or younger in NBA history. after
[1:29:56] Speaker 4: the gentleman's sweep, the alien offered these thoughts. I think
[1:29:59] Speaker 4: as compared to anything before, this is the biggest lesson
[1:30:04] Speaker 4: of my life, the biggest learning moment. I can't tell
[1:30:06] Speaker 4: exactly what the lesson is, but we're learning from that
[1:30:10] Speaker 4: for sure. I'm learning more than any other time in
[1:30:14] Speaker 4: my life. This has been a hell of a year
[1:30:19] Speaker 4: in terms of experience. I don't think we could have
[1:30:24] Speaker 4: learned more and gain more experience in one playoff run
[1:30:29] Speaker 4: and in one season and personally.
[1:30:31] Speaker 1: In 18 months it's been.
[1:30:38] Speaker 8: It's been hard and full of lessons what I'm pissed
[1:30:41] Speaker 8: about is that there's probably a hundred games before we
[1:30:44] Speaker 8: can be back in finals so I don't know how
[1:30:51] Speaker 8: to say it in English but I'm gonna have to
[1:30:55] Speaker 8: You know, hold that inside of me and slow down
[1:30:58] Speaker 8: and wait and execute for 100 games.
[1:31:04] Speaker 4: So he said 100 games until we can be back.
[1:31:05] Speaker 4: Not we will, can be. Anything can happen.
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: Everybody takes clips and just runs with them.
[1:31:11] Speaker 4: 100 games before we can be. So when you hear
[1:31:14] Speaker 4: Wimby talking like that, is that arrogance? Is that just
[1:31:17] Speaker 4: a strong belief that he got to?
[1:31:20] Speaker 1: Get close.
[1:31:20] Speaker 4: Like Draymond said, though, there's a difference between reaching the
[1:31:22] Speaker 4: finals and winning the finals.
[1:31:23] Speaker 5: You're talking to someone who wears a crown, brother. Think
[1:31:27] Speaker 5: I give a fuck about what other people think when
[1:31:28] Speaker 5: my confidence come in the room? Shit, that motherfucker shrinks.
[1:31:32] Speaker 1: You're okay. We ready.
[1:31:33] Speaker 5: We don't give a fuck about what people think. Just
[1:31:36] Speaker 5: say what you feel. Say what you know.
[1:31:39] Speaker 3: You're right.
[1:31:39] Speaker 5: Keep having confidence. Motherfuckers will tell you, hey, don't give.
[1:31:44] Speaker 1: Knock it out of here. Don't give him that. Fuck him.
[1:31:46] Speaker 5: You don't like him? There's a lot of people like that, man.
[1:31:49] Speaker 1: Mm. Have the confidence. Don't be afraid to have confidence, man.
[1:31:53] Speaker 5: Because people who don't have confidence will hate you.
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: They will hate you. Trust me.
[1:32:00] Speaker 5: They will hate that shit. So have confidence. False bravado,
[1:32:04] Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it. Have that shit. Let
[1:32:07] Speaker 5: that shit shine.
[1:32:08] Speaker 1: Please. Don't let people dim your light. Shine it. Let
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: your soul glow. Let your soul glow. Please.
[1:32:18] Speaker 5: Hopefully it rubs off on those people who don't like
[1:32:20] Speaker 5: the confidence you have.
[1:32:21] Speaker 3: You can have confidence and lose, too. You can shake
[1:32:26] Speaker 3: somebody's hand and be like, all right, man, good job.
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: And still be confident. Do it that way, then. I
[1:32:32] Speaker 1: ain't got to shake your hand and still be confident. No.
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: I can still walk around with my head held high
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: and say we're going to win it next year. He's
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: supposed to say those things. He's supposed to think they're
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: going to be back. He's a competitor, right? If he
[1:32:46] Speaker 1: would have came up there and said anything less, then
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: we would have thought different of him. Yeah, you should
[1:32:51] Speaker 1: say those things. You should believe in your team and
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: yourself and your ability. But, you know, it's just... I
[1:32:57] Speaker 1: think he was joking, Swag. I think he was well
[1:32:59] Speaker 1: aware that he was probably going to have to see
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: the media again. That was a joke. That was his joke.
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: Was it? Yeah. So that's a joke then, too. Because
[1:33:07] Speaker 1: he got to talk to me. Comedy noir. Comedy noir.
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: I said, y'all never. I said, y'all never. So he's
[1:33:13] Speaker 1: never going to make it again. Yeah, it's part of
[1:33:16] Speaker 1: his job. Comedy noir. Yeah, I think he was making a, yeah,
[1:33:20] Speaker 1: he was showing a little sense of humor in that moment,
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: which I think was needed. French humor. Yeah. Yeah. He
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: probably came from somewhere. We don't know. He probably saw
[1:33:32] Speaker 1: it in a movie, a book, something of that nature.
[1:33:36] Speaker 1: We don't know. He's still learning English, like he pointed out.
[1:33:39] Speaker 1: I got a kick out of that. I have no
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: problem with him. The words that he chose to use
[1:33:46] Speaker 1: in order to... It's a tough moment, man. He just
[1:33:49] Speaker 1: lost in the finals, right? So you're trying to find emotions,
[1:33:52] Speaker 1: the words to use, and you feel that you didn't
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: get it done, and It's a lot of emotions and
[1:33:58] Speaker 1: things he's going through right now. So, yeah, you got
[1:34:01] Speaker 1: to not waver in your belief and your team's ability.
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: But we do know this is sports and rosters change.
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: Things happen. Injuries happen. So there's a lot of circumstances
[1:34:12] Speaker 1: that have to go right in order to make it
[1:34:15] Speaker 1: back to that point, which this is his first time here.
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: It's his first experience on this stage, making a deep
[1:34:24] Speaker 1: run into the playoffs. So. Yeah, it's all a learning
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: experience for him, man. Everything that happened, the flagrant, the
[1:34:32] Speaker 1: not talking to the media, it's all a learning experience
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: for him, right? And we can only hope that he
[1:34:40] Speaker 1: is learning from these and he'll come back a different player,
[1:34:42] Speaker 1: a better person. Whatever that is, it's benefiting Wimby, right?
[1:34:47] Speaker 1: That's all that matters at the end of the day.
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: That's benefiting the Spurs moving forward, right?
[1:34:52] Speaker 5: I think there is who you are and then there
[1:34:54] Speaker 5: is who people want you to be. And that often
[1:34:57] Speaker 5: clashes in sports. People have this, I would rather him
[1:35:01] Speaker 5: do this. I think he was supposed to do that.
[1:35:04] Speaker 5: And then it's who I am and what I want
[1:35:07] Speaker 5: to do. And I'm going to do what I want
[1:35:09] Speaker 5: to do. Even if it's going against what the hell
[1:35:11] Speaker 5: you want to do.
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: Can crazy be confident too?
[1:35:14] Speaker 3: Can crazy be confident too?
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: Can crazy? Be confident.
[1:35:18] Speaker 3: Like if I wear a bunch of fake shit all
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: the time and I think I'm fly, am I crazy
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: or am I confident?
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: You both. Both?
[1:35:28] Speaker 5: Because you don't give a fuck about who's looking at
[1:35:29] Speaker 5: your fake shit. That's what I wanted to see. I
[1:35:32] Speaker 5: wanted to ask that question. Because if I go out
[1:35:35] Speaker 5: there and I've just got a bunch of shit on looking,
[1:35:37] Speaker 5: but I'm confident in myself.
[1:35:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all that matters. And I got draws on.
[1:35:40] Speaker 1: That's all that matters. Are they Calvin Klein draws? Am
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: I crazy or confident? Depends on the draw. All right. That's...
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: That's all I want to know.
[1:35:49] Speaker 4: Are they silk Versace drawers? It depends on who you ask.
[1:35:52] Speaker 4: It depends on who you ask.
[1:35:54] Speaker 1: If you're asking the person that has it on, I'm
[1:35:56] Speaker 1: pretty sure they'll tell you they're confident. You ask somebody else,
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: they're going to be like, he's crazy.
[1:36:01] Speaker 5: Every time I see Shaq, he crazy. That boy right
[1:36:04] Speaker 5: there crazy. That boy crazy, man. Jamie Foxx.
[1:36:07] Speaker 1: I just seen Jamie. That boy crazy, man. You crazy, man. Crazy. Yeah,
[1:36:13] Speaker 1: I'll be that.
[1:36:14] Speaker 5: I know there's a cold word in between crazy and confident.
[1:36:18] Speaker 1: We don't ever need to get into. So it's all good.
[1:36:20] Speaker 1: You can be both.
[1:36:22] Speaker 2: You like the code reds that he sent out?
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. Warning, coming back a better player.
[1:36:30] Speaker 5: Warning, I'm going to get in the lab and I'm
[1:36:32] Speaker 5: going to figure out what went wrong and I'm going
[1:36:34] Speaker 5: to try to make it right.
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: So that's all we could take from this, right, from
[1:36:37] Speaker 1: his statements, right? That he has to realize that he
[1:36:41] Speaker 1: didn't play his best basketball when his team needed him.
[1:36:46] Speaker 1: Good numbers, yes. good enough to win it no right
[1:36:51] Speaker 1: so there are like i i stated this early in
[1:36:54] Speaker 1: the playoffs right the playoffs exposes your deficiencies it shows
[1:37:01] Speaker 1: you what you need to work on the deeper run
[1:37:04] Speaker 1: you make the more the scouting reports become more in
[1:37:10] Speaker 1: depth and detailed to what you do well, we need
[1:37:15] Speaker 1: to take away, but it's going to highlight the things
[1:37:18] Speaker 1: that you don't do as well, and we're going to
[1:37:21] Speaker 1: try to force you to do those things. Absolutely. And
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: with Wimmy, they understood if we pressure him and play
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: him a certain way, he will defer to becoming a
[1:37:30] Speaker 1: perimeter player.
[1:37:32] Speaker 5: That's just what it is because physically....
[1:37:36] Speaker 1: I can't hold my own down here and I can't
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: do certain things and the team knows this so we're
[1:37:41] Speaker 1: going to play to those weaknesses. Now he can use
[1:37:46] Speaker 1: the summer from now to September. Work on his body.
[1:37:51] Speaker 1: He has to get stronger. He has to work on
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: a few moves. He has the competitive nature. Everything is
[1:37:58] Speaker 1: intact still but he's 22. This was a learning experience
[1:38:02] Speaker 1: for him. All he can do is learn from it,
[1:38:05] Speaker 1: and be better, right? And it's in the right organization,
[1:38:11] Speaker 1: I believe, to help manifest those things. But addressing, I
[1:38:18] Speaker 1: don't know how much stronger, how much weight that he's
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: going to be able to put on in that frame.
[1:38:23] Speaker 6: I don't think he needs to put on that much.
[1:38:25] Speaker 1: No, he physically probably can't. That's my thing. He physically
[1:38:29] Speaker 1: probably can't. But if that is the thing, though, you can't,
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: you got to learn to play within that, right? You
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: got to learn what Kevin Durant had to learn and
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: certain people that when they try to play you a
[1:38:44] Speaker 1: certain way, Steph and Shea, because I'm not as strong
[1:38:48] Speaker 1: and physically gifted. I have to learn these tools in
[1:38:52] Speaker 1: order to be my best self, right? I think that's
[1:38:57] Speaker 1: part of the learning experience as well for the summer.
[1:39:00] Speaker 1: Like his summer program that they put together for you,
[1:39:03] Speaker 1: the team give you a summer program, that has to
[1:39:06] Speaker 1: be part of it, right? I need to learn how
[1:39:08] Speaker 1: those guys went about it because I am same body frame.
[1:39:14] Speaker 1: How did Kevin Durant over-become people being over-physical with him, right?
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: I limit my dribbles. I dictate where I catch the ball.
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: So those are things, right? Short roll. Short roll, pull up,
[1:39:28] Speaker 1: and a floater because can't nobody. So it's a lot
[1:39:30] Speaker 1: of them. It's all of them, right? It's a lot
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: of them, right?
[1:39:33] Speaker 6: If he mastered that right there, it's going to help
[1:39:35] Speaker 6: all the guards around him, and he's going to be
[1:39:36] Speaker 6: unstoppable because can't nobody block it.
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: So a floater and a short roll, jumper. Yeah, so
[1:39:42] Speaker 1: looking at him, and he shoots the ball well, but
[1:39:43] Speaker 1: I'm going to say what we're taking from his statement is,
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: I have to be better. The same thing that Shea
[1:39:49] Speaker 1: said after this press conference. Shea is more seasoned in
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: those moments. Shea worded it the right way. Wimby's still
[1:39:56] Speaker 1: learning how to use his vocabulary in order to get
[1:39:59] Speaker 1: people off his back. Shea realized after, I have to
[1:40:03] Speaker 1: be better. I didn't do enough to lead. It's just
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: certain words that I think Wimby is still learning after
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: the defeat, the biggest stage on how to handle it.
[1:40:13] Speaker 2: So are you both okay with him being mostly a
[1:40:16] Speaker 2: three-point shooter? When all is said and done, that's what
[1:40:19] Speaker 2: he was through this playoff run. He was mostly a
[1:40:21] Speaker 2: three-point shooter.
[1:40:22] Speaker 1: What was the stats?
[1:40:24] Speaker 2: I'll tell you exactly what they were.
[1:40:26] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. The numbers don't matter. Like I just stated,
[1:40:30] Speaker 1: that's what the defense forced. In order for him to
[1:40:33] Speaker 1: be effective, he had to convert to that and didn't
[1:40:38] Speaker 1: shoot a high clip in that, right?
[1:40:40] Speaker 5: No. Because it's still tough defense being played on him.
[1:40:43] Speaker 1: I said that. They're making him settle for those.
[1:40:47] Speaker 2: They won 12 playoff games to Drew Spurs, and through
[1:40:52] Speaker 2: those 12, He shot 47% from three, which is extraordinary
[1:40:57] Speaker 2: for a 7'6 guy. He made 27 of 58 threes
[1:41:01] Speaker 2: as they won their 12. They lost 10 playoff games.
[1:41:06] Speaker 2: And in those 10 losses, he was 12 of 56,
[1:41:10] Speaker 2: which is 21%. So the truth is, when you boil
[1:41:14] Speaker 2: it all down, They lived and died by the 7'6
[1:41:18] Speaker 2: guy from three. That's what happened.
[1:41:21] Speaker 1: How? How many twos did he shoot?
[1:41:22] Speaker 2: Give us the percentage. I can tell you about points
[1:41:25] Speaker 2: in the restricted area, which, again, he can dunk flat-footed.
[1:41:29] Speaker 2: He can just do that. So on buckets that he scored,
[1:41:33] Speaker 2: on dunks or just little lay-ins, I told you this.
[1:41:37] Speaker 2: In game one at Oklahoma City, he eclipsed his whole
[1:41:40] Speaker 2: playoff run. He had 12 of those. And guess what?
[1:41:43] Speaker 2: He had 41 points and 24 rebounds. Game one, they
[1:41:47] Speaker 2: steal it in double overtime. And from there on, they
[1:41:52] Speaker 2: played six more against Oklahoma City in five. So it's
[1:41:55] Speaker 2: 11 more games. He averaged four buckets in the restricted
[1:41:58] Speaker 2: area from that point on. So 12 in game one
[1:42:00] Speaker 2: against Oklahoma City. Then all these other games that you play,
[1:42:04] Speaker 2: six plus five, 11 games, you only averaged four buckets
[1:42:08] Speaker 2: in the restricted area. Okay, that's just wrong to me.
[1:42:11] Speaker 5: Did he shoot more twos than he shot threes?
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: Yes, he did. By a large volume. Nearly a third
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: of his shots were threes.
[1:42:22] Speaker 5: So when you look at Wimby and his 47% from
[1:42:27] Speaker 5: three in the wins, as a player, when I got
[1:42:33] Speaker 5: it going, we have a good chance of winning games.
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: When I don't got it going... We might lose.
[1:42:40] Speaker 2: Okay, especially if you're the highest volume three-point shooter.
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: SGA, did he have a good series against the San
[1:42:47] Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs? No. Shooting the ball?
[1:42:49] Speaker 2: No, especially in the fourth quarter.
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: Especially at the three, right? Would you tell him not
[1:42:53] Speaker 1: to shoot threes no more?
[1:42:54] Speaker 2: No, but he's never been a big three-point shooter.
[1:42:56] Speaker 5: But he has shot a good high clip throughout the season.
[1:42:59] Speaker 2: This year he did.
[1:43:01] Speaker 1: So, do you tell SGA, do you.
[1:43:03] Speaker 5: Say, don't shoot, we don't want you to shoot more threes,
[1:43:06] Speaker 5: we don't want you to get better as a three-point shooter,
[1:43:08] Speaker 5: especially when we.
[1:43:09] Speaker 1: Lose and you go 0 for 8, 1 for 7,
[1:43:11] Speaker 1: 1 for... No.
[1:43:13] Speaker 5: As players, we want to be challenged to get better.
[1:43:16] Speaker 5: And if Wimby, at this point in his career, the
[1:43:20] Speaker 5: third year, right, this.
[1:43:21] Speaker 1: Is his third? In the finals. We're in year three.
[1:43:25] Speaker 5: He shot a lot of three-pointers last year, decreased that.
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: He did. So his percentages went up.
[1:43:32] Speaker 5: Now we look at, okay, he needs to shoot less
[1:43:34] Speaker 5: threes and be more in the paint and all this.
[1:43:36] Speaker 1: That's up for the coaches to put him in position
[1:43:39] Speaker 1: for that.
[1:43:39] Speaker 5: They have a guard-centric offense coming down on pin downs
[1:43:43] Speaker 5: and flare screens and the horns action where he's getting
[1:43:48] Speaker 5: the drawing plays up for threes for him.
[1:43:52] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. That's what he's most comfortable doing.
[1:43:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what? Just another analogy, right? Just take football, right?
[1:44:01] Speaker 1: If a dude keeps going across the middle, right, then
[1:44:04] Speaker 1: you're getting tagged. You're getting hit every time.
[1:44:07] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
[1:44:08] Speaker 1: Hey, man, throw me an out. Hey, coach. Hey, throw
[1:44:12] Speaker 1: me a five-yard out, man. This hurt. Like, keep going
[1:44:16] Speaker 1: in there. Keep going across the middle. It hurt, man.
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: Throw me a deep ball. Well, something other than me,
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: I got to keep doing. This is the hard part, right?
[1:44:25] Speaker 1: This is the hard part. Human nature kicks in at times.
[1:44:30] Speaker 1: We still, as good as he is as a basketball,
[1:44:34] Speaker 1: he's still fragile in this, right? Mentally and especially physically,
[1:44:40] Speaker 1: as good as he is, He is going to revert
[1:44:44] Speaker 1: to what's easiest. Yep. That's just what it is. Yeah,
[1:44:47] Speaker 1: for sure. That's a lot of athletes.
[1:44:49] Speaker 5: But he's going to revert to the path of least resistance.
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: Okay. That's just.
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: Hey, can't nobody get to it. I'm going to stand
[1:45:00] Speaker 1: out here and shoot this bitch. And I can make it.
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: And I can make it. I know I can make
[1:45:03] Speaker 1: it because in the wins, I'm shooting 47 in the losses,
[1:45:06] Speaker 1: so I'm a capable shooter. So it's okay to settle?
[1:45:10] Speaker 1: For him, that's just what it is right now because
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: he's still learning. That's most people, Nick. You're not going
[1:45:20] Speaker 1: to keep going there and let me going upside you.
[1:45:23] Speaker 1: Every time you go in there, you got to pick
[1:45:25] Speaker 1: yourself up off the ground. They're going to start shooting
[1:45:28] Speaker 1: jump shots. That's just what it is. I experienced it, Nick.
[1:45:32] Speaker 1: Trust me. You keep going there and keep getting hit
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: after hit just constantly, and you don't want the contact?
[1:45:39] Speaker 1: That's the difference. People that don't mind it, They'll keep
[1:45:45] Speaker 1: going in there. And people that mind it, they're not going.
[1:45:49] Speaker 2: Okay, but Kenyon, there's this thing called the free throw line.
[1:45:51] Speaker 2: Every time they go upside your head, you go over
[1:45:53] Speaker 2: there and swish, swish. They're not calling at all.
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: Because he's a 90%. Yes, they are. And you know
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: they're not calling. And you know they're not giving him calls.
[1:46:00] Speaker 2: Giving him calls, that's all they give him.
[1:46:02] Speaker 1: If they call the game, honestly, he should shoot more
[1:46:04] Speaker 1: free throws. For sure. For sure. He should shoot more
[1:46:10] Speaker 1: free throws because physically what you have to do to
[1:46:14] Speaker 1: play against him. As a big. As a basketball player.
[1:46:18] Speaker 1: Fuck a big. You got to keep him off the
[1:46:19] Speaker 1: glass and all that shit. Seven free throws a night?
[1:46:22] Speaker 5: No, because he's out there on the three-point line.
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: So I don't got to. But like I said, if
[1:46:27] Speaker 1: I'm going in there, boom, you get your. That's an excuse.
[1:46:29] Speaker 1: I get hit. Just say of the ten times that.
[1:46:32] Speaker 1: I understand. And you only called three of them. Mm-hmm.
[1:46:38] Speaker 5: On the pick and roll, when you're rolling and you
[1:46:41] Speaker 5: got to bump them and you.
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: Got to hit them. Instead of me rolling, I'm going
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: to pop. That's all. I'm tired of that. You're not
[1:46:46] Speaker 1: calling it. They call it every time.
[1:46:50] Speaker 5: So what's the difference between SGA's calls, when he get
[1:46:54] Speaker 5: the calls, this whole promotion of him being a foul
[1:46:56] Speaker 5: baiter based on him getting calls, selling calls, and them
[1:47:01] Speaker 5: actually being fouls?
[1:47:02] Speaker 2: Who shot the most shots in the NBA this regular
[1:47:05] Speaker 2: season at the rim? Who attempted the most shots at
[1:47:08] Speaker 2: the rim?
[1:47:09] Speaker 1: S-G-A.
[1:47:10] Speaker 2: So he's taking it into the restricted area time and
[1:47:13] Speaker 2: time again, and he's getting some of those calls. Not
[1:47:16] Speaker 2: all of them, but he's getting a lot of them.
[1:47:17] Speaker 1: You know what comes into that?
[1:47:19] Speaker 2: He's a 90% free throw shot.
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: But you know what comes into that, Skip? Ball handling,
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: dribbling it low. Being the point guard. But you 7'5
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: and you dribbling up this motherfucker. It ain't going to
[1:47:30] Speaker 1: do it. That ball, you know how much space in
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: between here and where that ball got to get to?
[1:47:35] Speaker 1: And I only had summer with Jamal Crawford.
[1:47:37] Speaker 5: I didn't really get to handle the ball and learn
[1:47:40] Speaker 5: how to be a ball handler.
[1:47:41] Speaker 1: I like Jamal Crawford. Do this sound like the face
[1:47:43] Speaker 1: of the league? See, this is the difference, Skip. Do
[1:47:45] Speaker 1: that sound like the face of the league? See, this
[1:47:47] Speaker 1: is the difference, Skip. I don't think he should be
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: out here working with fucking Jamal Crawford. Jamal Crawford was
[1:47:52] Speaker 1: excellent in his craft, right? I think that was a
[1:47:55] Speaker 1: waste of time. What are you learning? That's a waste
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: of time. Two different skill sets. That man's 6'5. You're 7'5.
[1:48:07] Speaker 1: What you working on that kind of handle for? You
[1:48:10] Speaker 1: don't need that. You need a Kevin Durant package. You
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: need one, two, three dribbles or less package. You don't
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: need a bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. You don't
[1:48:21] Speaker 1: need that. I get it. That's for other guys to
[1:48:24] Speaker 1: go work on. That's for Dylan Harper to go do.
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: That's for them other guys to go do. You need
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: to work on some simplicity of that, right? You need
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: to simplify your... You're a game right now.
[1:48:38] Speaker 2: What do you think Tim Duncan and David Robinson are
[1:48:40] Speaker 2: thinking watching Wimby play from the front row? What do
[1:48:43] Speaker 2: you think they're thinking?
[1:48:44] Speaker 1: He's not a big man. I wish he could get
[1:48:45] Speaker 1: to the box. He's not a center. I wish he
[1:48:49] Speaker 1: could make it. Just get to the box. Turn around. Face.
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: Float him. You don't think they talked to him about this?
[1:48:55] Speaker 7: They pushed him.
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: They pushed him to the three-point line. I assume they did.
[1:48:59] Speaker 5: You think they're talking to Mitch Johnson about that? So
[1:49:03] Speaker 5: Mitch Johnson, you should run these plays to get Wimby
[1:49:06] Speaker 5: on the post. So why didn't they run any of
[1:49:09] Speaker 5: those plays to get Wimby on the post?
[1:49:11] Speaker 2: I never saw a back pick to free Wimby coming
[1:49:13] Speaker 2: up off the baseline. Because once he gets two hands
[1:49:16] Speaker 2: on the ball three feet away, you're in some trouble
[1:49:19] Speaker 2: because you're going to have to foul him, right? Now,
[1:49:22] Speaker 2: you can knock the hell out of him, and you
[1:49:24] Speaker 2: can make it uncomfortable for him to be in there,
[1:49:27] Speaker 2: but you're going to have to foul him because you
[1:49:29] Speaker 2: can't stop that.
[1:49:31] Speaker 1: So this is my, like, the old school way of,
[1:49:35] Speaker 1: you can't teach height, man. You can't coach height, you
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: can't teach it. Run a simple cross screen or something, man. Like,
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: to your point, they got to simplify it for him
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: because he has a, his weight is an issue, right?
[1:49:50] Speaker 1: I understand, yeah. So you run things to catch him
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: on the move, to get him on the move, but
[1:49:54] Speaker 1: closer to the basket. Yep. Run a traditional old school
[1:49:57] Speaker 1: cross screen. Slice, slice cut. Right. Back screen, slice him
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: to the post. Slice him to the post. Catch him on,
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: let him, because once he get it here, you can't
[1:50:05] Speaker 1: get to it, right?
[1:50:06] Speaker 7: Okay.
[1:50:06] Speaker 1: Think about the slice to the cross screen.
[1:50:09] Speaker 5: Yeah. Go from the slice and then go to the
[1:50:11] Speaker 5: back side to the slice. I mean, to the weak side.
[1:50:13] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: So he can turn and shoot.
[1:50:16] Speaker 2: Okay, how tall do you say you were? Were you 6'9, 10? 6'9.
[1:50:22] Speaker 2: If I made you 7'5, or 6', it would be unfair, man. Oh,
[1:50:29] Speaker 2: it was unfair as 6'9.
[1:50:31] Speaker 1: It was.
[1:50:31] Speaker 2: No, I agree. That's what I'm saying. But if I
[1:50:35] Speaker 2: could take your intangibles and pour into this kid, my God.
[1:50:40] Speaker 2: It would be over, man.
[1:50:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's stuff to work on, but that's the
[1:50:46] Speaker 1: physical part of it. The game part of it, the
[1:50:52] Speaker 1: getting better, the skill part of it, should I say,
[1:50:54] Speaker 1: the skill part of it is two separate things, right?
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: Me being able to hold my own physically and my
[1:51:02] Speaker 1: skill set are two separate things. They are. Right? He's
[1:51:05] Speaker 1: very skilled. He is. Need to simplify his games. doing
[1:51:10] Speaker 1: too much, on the perimeter too much. He made the,
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: like I told Rochelle, we was in the watch the
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: other day, when nobody guarded, he did the little fake
[1:51:17] Speaker 1: half spin joint for no reason. Like, he had the ball,
[1:51:20] Speaker 1: he just faked and wasn't nobody guarding him. I'm like, see,
[1:51:23] Speaker 1: that's the working with Jamal Crawford shit that you don't need. Mm-hmm.
[1:51:27] Speaker 1: Because you can pull it out when you don't need it.
[1:51:28] Speaker 1: It help with his handle. No, he don't. What? Nick.
[1:51:31] Speaker 5: He not handling the ball like Jamal Crawford for it
[1:51:34] Speaker 5: to be effective. You know how long? How low can
[1:51:37] Speaker 5: he possibly get? But he need a handle, though. He
[1:51:39] Speaker 5: ain't got to be doing Jamal Crawford, but it could
[1:51:41] Speaker 5: be handled, though.
[1:51:43] Speaker 1: He got to get. How far that 7'5 guy going
[1:51:45] Speaker 1: to be able to bend the knees?
[1:51:47] Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Jamal Crawford not teach them shit he do.
[1:51:50] Speaker 3: I'm teaching him how to work on his handle. A
[1:51:53] Speaker 3: big man need handle if you want to do everything.
[1:51:55] Speaker 1: What do he need that for, though, Nick, is what
[1:51:57] Speaker 1: I'm asking. Because he said he played like a guard.
[1:51:59] Speaker 5: Yeah, and you said he get pushed out to the
[1:52:02] Speaker 5: three-point line.
[1:52:03] Speaker 1: I know, but you said he played like a guard, though, right?
[1:52:05] Speaker 1: But he get pushed out to the three-point line.
[1:52:08] Speaker 3: If I get pushed out there and I settle for
[1:52:10] Speaker 3: threes and I'm scared to go down.
[1:52:12] Speaker 1: There, of course I need to walk off. Who is
[1:52:13] Speaker 1: he going by with his handle?
[1:52:14] Speaker 3: Y'all just said he get pushed out there and he
[1:52:16] Speaker 3: settle for three.
[1:52:17] Speaker 1: But who is he going by with his handle? Oh,
[1:52:19] Speaker 1: he can go by every big one. He wasn't going
[1:52:21] Speaker 1: by nobody. He's 7'5. He's just 7'5. With his handle?
[1:52:27] Speaker 1: He wasn't going by nobody with his handle. You can
[1:52:29] Speaker 1: see he was trying. He was trying to do in
[1:52:32] Speaker 1: and out shit. He reversing out of pivots and certain
[1:52:35] Speaker 1: things like that. They pressuring up on him. He's sweeping
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: it and going through. But my thing is, who he ba-ba-ba-
[1:52:44] Speaker 1: In and out, cross, has he? Who he doing that to?
[1:52:47] Speaker 1: Who he going by? He's not.
[1:52:48] Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Jamal not teaching him his handle.
[1:52:52] Speaker 1: Yes. What is he going to Jamal for? For handle.
[1:52:54] Speaker 1: For what? You need to learn how to dribble. Dribble where?
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: From the three-point line to the hole. You don't need dribble. Yes.
[1:53:04] Speaker 1: Two dribbles. That's one dribble for him. A handle is
[1:53:08] Speaker 1: a handle.
[1:53:09] Speaker 5: A handle don't mean you need to be doing and
[1:53:11] Speaker 5: one mixtape stuff.
[1:53:12] Speaker 1: A handle mean you be able to have that ball.
[1:53:14] Speaker 1: That's why he said KD. If you want to bring
[1:53:16] Speaker 1: it up the court, you could dribble up the court.
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: That's why he said KD, though. He can do that.
[1:53:19] Speaker 1: Two dribbles, three dribbles max. Shit, Mitchell Roberts can dribble
[1:53:23] Speaker 1: that bitch up the court. I'm going to the best
[1:53:24] Speaker 1: handler if I want to learn how to dribble it
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: up the court. You don't really need three dribbles. You
[1:53:27] Speaker 1: just need... Yeah. But I'm just saying. Kareem. Rudy can
[1:53:32] Speaker 1: dribble it up the court. Nah, not like that. Yes,
[1:53:35] Speaker 1: you can dribble it straight up the court. Nah, if
[1:53:37] Speaker 1: you put pressure on certain guys, they can't dribble. And
[1:53:40] Speaker 1: you put pressure on him, he going to give it
[1:53:41] Speaker 1: to you. Not Wimby. Not Wimby. Yes, he will.
[1:53:44] Speaker 5: So Caruso not taking Wimby's cookies? You dribbling in front
[1:53:47] Speaker 5: of him, you ain't going to. I'm picking you up
[1:53:48] Speaker 5: 94 feet.
[1:53:49] Speaker 1: You're going to take the ball from him. No matter
[1:53:51] Speaker 1: who's kicking him out of the court. 94 feet.
[1:53:54] Speaker 3: And I'm 7'5, and Caruso on me, I should just
[1:53:56] Speaker 3: pass to the guard and run.
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: Down and post up.
[1:53:58] Speaker 5: So then why would you do dribbling drills if you're
[1:54:00] Speaker 5: going to do that?
[1:54:01] Speaker 1: Why would I go do dribbling drills with anybody? Because
[1:54:04] Speaker 1: I need everything.
[1:54:05] Speaker 5: Why would I shoot all threes if I'm not?
[1:54:07] Speaker 1: So why would I pass it up? That's stupid. I
[1:54:08] Speaker 1: need everything. I need the ball handling. I need post up.
[1:54:10] Speaker 5: I need three-point shooting. Why are you passing it up?
[1:54:13] Speaker 1: It's a waste of time.
[1:54:13] Speaker 5: Why are you passing it up and going to do this?
[1:54:15] Speaker 5: Because I got a smaller guy on me.
[1:54:18] Speaker 1: So why don't you got handle, too?
[1:54:20] Speaker 5: Why waste all that trouble when I can pass and
[1:54:22] Speaker 5: go to the post?
[1:54:23] Speaker 1: What y'all saying? I can't post up because I get
[1:54:25] Speaker 1: pushed to the three. That don't make no sense. The
[1:54:27] Speaker 1: dribble's for the bigs when I go against the bigs.
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: Thank you. That's what I'm saying. If a small guard
[1:54:31] Speaker 1: is guarding.
[1:54:31] Speaker 7: Me, I'm going to throw it up and then I'm
[1:54:33] Speaker 7: going to go to the spot and get.
[1:54:34] Speaker 1: The cheese up. Who is he bopping? Who he going bopping?
[1:54:38] Speaker 5: I could bop every big that's out there. He don't
[1:54:43] Speaker 5: got the foot speed like Cat. He don't got none of.
[1:54:46] Speaker 1: That other shit.
[1:54:47] Speaker 2: Cat slow.
[1:54:48] Speaker 1: You do need foot speed to get behind people.
[1:54:50] Speaker 5: All I got to get is off you, off balance,
[1:54:52] Speaker 5: one dribble, I'm longer than everybody. That's all it's going
[1:54:55] Speaker 5: to take me, two steps to the hole. In and out,
[1:54:57] Speaker 5: one step to the hole. And you're weak, so you
[1:55:01] Speaker 5: get hit, and now we can make you pick your
[1:55:03] Speaker 5: dribble up.
[1:55:04] Speaker 1: Make an excuse. So when Steph was doing his thing,
[1:55:06] Speaker 1: would it have been more beneficial for Steph to go
[1:55:08] Speaker 1: work with Ray Allen and Reggie Miller or fucking Hakeem
[1:55:12] Speaker 1: Olajuwon and Shaq?
[1:55:16] Speaker 3: I'll work with Sam Cassell.
[1:55:18] Speaker 5: Huh?
[1:55:19] Speaker 1: I'll work with Sam Cassell. One dribble pull-ups. Nope. Post-up too.
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: One dribble, two pull-ups. I'll work with Sam Cassell. Steph?
[1:55:25] Speaker 1: Nobody ever says Steph is playing like a big. I'm
[1:55:27] Speaker 1: just asking. I didn't say he played like a big.
[1:55:30] Speaker 1: I said would it have been more beneficial? No, to
[1:55:33] Speaker 1: go to Ray Allen, for sure. And Reggie Miller, right? Yes,
[1:55:35] Speaker 1: for sure. So that's what I'm saying about Wimby. Yeah,
[1:55:37] Speaker 1: but he said Wimby's a guard. But he's not. What
[1:55:40] Speaker 1: he said. He said he plays like a guard. But
[1:55:41] Speaker 1: what he said in the position that he plays are
[1:55:44] Speaker 1: two separate things.
[1:55:45] Speaker 7: If he plays like a guard, then yeah, I'm going to.
[1:55:47] Speaker 1: Go with Jamal. But he plays like, but he's 7'4.
[1:55:49] Speaker 1: I get that. That's what I'm saying. The fact of
[1:55:51] Speaker 1: the matter is he's 7'4. Damn what people think he
[1:55:53] Speaker 1: play like or what position. Did he face the bats?
[1:55:56] Speaker 1: He's 7'4.
[1:55:57] Speaker 5: Right?
[1:55:57] Speaker 1: It's automatically he's a center.
[1:55:59] Speaker 5: It's automatically positionally he's a center, but he plays like
[1:56:02] Speaker 5: a dog.
[1:56:03] Speaker 1: Remember when he came out too? When KD came out?
[1:56:05] Speaker 1: And what happened?
[1:56:06] Speaker 3: He wasn't crossing over and stuff too?
[1:56:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, he was crossing over. So Wimmy can't learn that
[1:56:10] Speaker 1: from Jamal Crawford? KD didn't learn it from Jamal Crawford.
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: So do we want him to get better or not?
[1:56:19] Speaker 3: Getting better is me getting better. I'm working on my
[1:56:21] Speaker 3: ball handling.
[1:56:22] Speaker 1: I'm getting better. No, that's not helping him, Nick. That's
[1:56:24] Speaker 1: a waste of time.
[1:56:26] Speaker 3: Man.
[1:56:27] Speaker 5: If you don't plan on putting him at the point
[1:56:29] Speaker 5: guard position to handle the ball more.
[1:56:31] Speaker 1: So you're saying everybody with handles got to be a
[1:56:33] Speaker 1: point guard? That's crazy. No, he's a five-man. Okay. What
[1:56:36] Speaker 1: other five-man are you going to promote? Joker, bring it up.
[1:56:39] Speaker 5: What other five-man are you going to promote? And he
[1:56:41] Speaker 5: ain't breaking nobody down on the dribble, neither.
[1:56:43] Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. Oh, faster than mostly big.
[1:56:45] Speaker 1: And he ain't working with Jamal Crawford.
[1:56:47] Speaker 6: Joker ain't working with Jamal Crawford. I'm saying Embiid had
[1:56:50] Speaker 6: a handle, though.
[1:56:51] Speaker 1: But he ain't going by nobody. And he not out
[1:56:53] Speaker 1: here with a point guard. And B wasn't going by
[1:56:56] Speaker 1: no bigs? Not boom, boom, boom.
[1:56:57] Speaker 2: Not, no.
[1:56:58] Speaker 7: And B wasn't doing none of that?
[1:57:00] Speaker 1: No, not like that, bro. Not getting by motherfuckers. Like,
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: I'm getting you with the uh-uh. He 280, 290. He
[1:57:05] Speaker 1: ain't going by nobody, man. Not with no dribble. All right.
[1:57:11] Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. It was with footwork.
[1:57:15] Speaker 5: Just fucking be. Just talk about the rest of the bigs.
[1:57:18] Speaker 5: Everybody else in big.
[1:57:20] Speaker 1: I'm not the rest of the bigs, though. I'm not
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: the rest of the... I'm a unicorn. I got everything.
[1:57:28] Speaker 1: Why can't I work on everything? You don't need it.
[1:57:31] Speaker 1: You don't need everything. I do. I need to be
[1:57:33] Speaker 1: able to dribble out of certain situations, too. Why?
[1:57:35] Speaker 5: I need to be able to post up when it's
[1:57:37] Speaker 5: time to post up. I need to be able to
[1:57:38] Speaker 5: shoot a three if they giving me the three. I
[1:57:40] Speaker 5: need to be able to get to the elbow if
[1:57:42] Speaker 5: I want to get to the elbow.
[1:57:43] Speaker 1: I need my coach to put me in position. Great
[1:57:45] Speaker 1: players got everything. I need my coach to put me
[1:57:46] Speaker 1: in position. Great players got everything. That's crazy to me.
[1:57:48] Speaker 1: I need my coach to put me in position.
[1:57:49] Speaker 5: If I'm working on my hand, don't mean I'm going
[1:57:51] Speaker 5: to be out there doing anyone mistake nutmegs.
[1:57:53] Speaker 1: Going around your head. He was going in and out
[1:57:55] Speaker 1: you real fast. So you hear what I just said?
[1:57:59] Speaker 1: Wasn't nobody guarding him in game four. He did a
[1:58:02] Speaker 1: fake half spin. The Smitty did shit. The fake half spin.
[1:58:06] Speaker 1: Wasn't nobody guarding him. He brought that shit out because
[1:58:10] Speaker 1: you know what? He got it. He got it in
[1:58:12] Speaker 1: his arsenal. It was a waste of time is what
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: I'm saying. If a big guard I'm going to do
[1:58:18] Speaker 1: that move on him. Nobody was guarding him. But I
[1:58:21] Speaker 1: could do the move though. For what? There wasn't a
[1:58:25] Speaker 1: reason to do the move. There was no reason to
[1:58:27] Speaker 1: do it Nick.
[1:58:28] Speaker 3: You know, but it's just, nigga, I could do the
[1:58:30] Speaker 3: move on the big if he's guarding me.
[1:58:32] Speaker 1: I would have that in my arsenal. But we saying this.
[1:58:36] Speaker 1: The move you brought out in game, the 360 layup, right?
[1:58:39] Speaker 1: You brought that up because you told me. On the break,
[1:58:42] Speaker 1: would you have done that shit on the break? By myself, no. Exactly.
[1:58:47] Speaker 1: But you could, though. That's all I'm saying, Nick. That's
[1:58:55] Speaker 1: why he's saying simplify the shit. That's all I'm saying, Nick. Simplify.
[1:58:59] Speaker 1: You don't need all the shit. You got a lot.
[1:59:01] Speaker 1: You don't need it all.
[1:59:02] Speaker 5: Three dribbles or less, man. That's all. You don't need
[1:59:06] Speaker 5: the Kyrie Irving package because you.
[1:59:10] Speaker 1: You don't. He don't need that. He don't need the...
[1:59:13] Speaker 1: You sham God. The fact that he has the sham
[1:59:17] Speaker 1: God and all that shit is great. I'm not saying that.
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: He brought out an all-star game. Damn, that's... Cool, that
[1:59:24] Speaker 1: shit look amazing. But when it's time to get to it,
[1:59:29] Speaker 1: NBA Finals, I need you three dribbles or less. Tuck
[1:59:32] Speaker 1: that shit in. 17 feet in, big fella. That's all
[1:59:35] Speaker 1: I'm saying. Tuck that shit in, man.
[1:59:36] Speaker 4: We use that in the summer. That's all I'm saying. Well,
[1:59:39] Speaker 4: sufficient discourse for the day. We're going to talk a
[1:59:41] Speaker 4: lot more Spurs and Knicks throughout this week. I was
[1:59:43] Speaker 4: hoping that the Finals went longer. Unfortunately, Wimby and the
[1:59:46] Speaker 4: Spurs let us down. We're not able to execute that.
[1:59:49] Speaker 4: But a lot more to address. But I want to
[1:59:51] Speaker 4: say thank you to everybody on this couch. Great show today.
[1:59:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:59:55] Speaker 8: Hey, huh.
[1:59:56] Speaker 1: Get inside. Okay. What's that? Get inside. What does it say?
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: It's not a body bag. I can't read what it says.
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: What does it say? Tight fit. What does it say?
[2:00:05] Speaker 1: Get your limbs.
[2:00:05] Speaker 3: Can I sit on the top of the couch?
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: Ants. Ants. That's your name. Ants. E-T. What is that?
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: Can't get packed up. Yeah, he's dead. I see he dead. Okay.
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: You did that by yourself? Pack. Oh, that is a D.
[2:00:19] Speaker 1: Packed up. You see the E.D. is little. Is that symbolic? Congratulations. Symbolic. Symbolic.
[2:00:26] Speaker 1: Congratulations is in order. Symbolism. You thought enough about me
[2:00:30] Speaker 1: to go through all this for me? When you lose,
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: you got to do something. Both of y'all did this
[2:00:33] Speaker 1: for me? Skip, the oversized body bag featuring.
[2:00:36] Speaker 5: This is your first win since you've been here, Skip.
[2:00:39] Speaker 5: I'm congratulating you. You've been taking a lot.
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: The man you've ordained as victim Wimbinyama.
[2:00:44] Speaker 2: Victim, I did do victim.
[2:00:45] Speaker 1: Did call him that. Victim on. Victim. Victim on. I
[2:00:49] Speaker 1: take my L's, man. Victim on. I'm in there. Victim on, dude.
[2:00:53] Speaker 1: Act up. You see what I mean? Victim on.
[2:00:59] Speaker 4: A great piece of cinema, but shout out to everybody
[2:01:01] Speaker 4: in the chat. Shout out to everybody on this cap.
[2:01:04] Speaker 4: Shout out to our amazing crew. This has been another
[2:01:06] Speaker 4: episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:01:09] Speaker 1: We will see y'all tomorrow.

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