# Kevin Durant SNAPPING At His Haters Destroys Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 11 Jun 2025, 2 h 40 min.

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Gil's Arena Reacts To Kevin Durant TWEETING Out His Future as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Kevin Durant sparking trade rumors after a viral night on Twitter brought out reports that KD is on his way out of Phoenix in the coming weeks with teams like the San Antonio Spurs, Houston Rockets and New York Knicks emerging as the favorites to land the legendary NBA Superstar. The Gil's Arena Crew breaks down what team is the best fit for Durant and give their take on the debate over his underwhelming career since leaving Steph Curry & The Golden State Warriors. Next, they react to the Ringer's updated top 100 NBA Players list and debate where the list went right and wrong with players like Joel Embiid, Paul George, and LaMelo Ball all getting snubbed with low ratings. They follow that up with a debate over Andy Roddick's comments that tennis players are the best athletes in the world before reacting to Kyrie Irving sticking up for Karl Anthony Towns following the smattering of hate towards the New York Knicks Superstar following their loss in the NBA Playoffs. They then welcome rapper Flawless into Gil's Arena to break down his experience on the Netflix series Rhythm & Flow and give his take on the best rapper in the game right now before finally previewing Game 3 of the NBA Finals where Tyrese Haliburton & Shai Gilgeous Alexander both look to guide their teams to a series lead for the NBA Title. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Flawless, Kenyon Martin & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Fetch a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your Dog. Go to ruffgreens.com/arena and use promo code ARENA. Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord 0:00:00 2 Min Countdown 0:02:02 Show Start 0:08:11 What Sport Has The Best Athlete? 0:33:06 Ringer's Top 100 NBA Players List 0:41:54 Embiid Ranked 84th In The NBA 0:51:10 Flawless Enters Gil's Arena 0:52:40 Life After Rhythm & Flow 1:03:21 Flawless Calls Out Rashad's Favorite Team 1:05:14 Kyrie Irving Stands Up For Karl Anthony Towns 1:15:09 Thibs Thanks The New York Knicks 1:36:59 Kevin Durant Defends His Legacy On Twitter 2:11:15 Shai Is Quietly One Of The Greatest Scorers Ever 2:17:44 Tim Hardaway Is Still Going After Hali 2:36:14 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa!
[0:07] Speaker 1: Finals are back, game three. I see Gil has picked
[0:10] Speaker 1: a side.
[0:10] Speaker 2: No, I told you. Listen, man, he bad luck. I
[0:14] Speaker 2: keep telling y'all, man. Bad luck, man. Indiana, y'all better listen.
[0:22] Speaker 2: Throw some sage around the arena tonight. You're doing this
[0:26] Speaker 2: on purpose, Gil. Bad luck, boy. I got the jersey on.
[0:28] Speaker 2: Y'all better sage to the fucking floor tonight Kaelin Clark
[0:33] Speaker 2: is showing up.
[0:34] Speaker 1: 3-1-7. Kaelin Coleman. We ain't worried. Nap time. They undefeated
[0:38] Speaker 1: with Kaelin in the building. It's nap time. It's nap time.
[0:44] Speaker 1: But this is Gills Arena presented by Underdog. As always,
[0:47] Speaker 1: we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. And
[0:53] Speaker 1: on this side of the couch. You just throw up
[0:55] Speaker 1: any number. I was saying, whoop, whoop. That's what you
[0:59] Speaker 1: were saying? Yeah, that's the nap town. That's the nap
[1:02] Speaker 1: town tonight. Whoop, whoop. That's how nap town says whoop, whoop.
[1:06] Speaker 1: And on this side of the couch, we got the
[1:08] Speaker 1: man known as Money Making Sonny, NCAA Champion of the World,
[1:11] Speaker 1: Rashad McCants. Whoop, whoop, whoop. And next to me, we
[1:17] Speaker 1: got the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick,
[1:21] Speaker 1: Kenyon Martin, is back in the arena with us.
[1:29] Speaker 3: For all the fans, we've still got two viewing options
[1:39] Speaker 3: for our traditional version, mobile vertical version.
[1:41] Speaker 1: Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure
[1:42] Speaker 1: you support the show. Here's what's cracking on the arena today.
[1:47] Speaker 1: SGA is just the fourth MVP in league history with
[1:49] Speaker 1: 3,000 total points in a season. Is it too early
[1:52] Speaker 1: to add Shea to the discussion amongst the greatest scorers
[1:56] Speaker 1: of all time? KD took to Twitter to defend his legacy,
[2:01] Speaker 1: but is it fair to say Durant's career has been
[2:02] Speaker 1: disappointing since his departure from the Warriors? He doesn't think so.
[2:07] Speaker 1: A lot of internet casuals do. He had to go
[2:10] Speaker 1: head to head with them. And finally, the Ringer recently
[2:13] Speaker 1: updated their top 100 players list for this season. Which
[2:16] Speaker 1: players got respected? And which ones got neglected? But before
[2:20] Speaker 1: we get into all that, as always, this show is
[2:21] Speaker 1: brought to you by Underdog. Go ahead, download the app.
[2:23] Speaker 1: Use promo code GILL. Get up to $ 1, 000 in bonus
[2:25] Speaker 1: cash plus a special pick-em. As I mentioned, Game 3
[2:28] Speaker 1: of the Finals is tonight. And as such, Sonny has
[2:31] Speaker 1: some picks up in his partner pack on the Underdog app.
[2:33] Speaker 1: Let us take a look, if we can, please. We've
[2:36] Speaker 1: got Hallie, lower, 2.5 three-pointers made. Pascal Siakam, lower, 1.5
[2:40] Speaker 1: three-pointers made. I'm sensing a trend here. Benedict Matherin. Lower
[2:44] Speaker 1: 0.5 three-pointers made. Isaiah Joe lower 0.5 three-pointers made. Obi
[2:48] Speaker 1: Toppin lower 1.5 three-pointers made. You think all their jumpers
[2:53] Speaker 1: will be broke tonight or they're just... Negative Nancy. Throw
[2:57] Speaker 1: that bitch on the wall. Hope something stick. Thriving off
[3:00] Speaker 1: negativity with that.
[3:02] Speaker 4: Last game I went all higher and it didn't hit.
[3:04] Speaker 4: We're going to go lower today.
[3:05] Speaker 1: See, I hate these ones because... Tough ones. Yeah, Mather
[3:08] Speaker 1: to come in. Of course, of course. I'm counting on
[3:10] Speaker 1: Isaiah not to play at all. Okay.
[3:12] Speaker 4: My friend don't shoot threes like that. Siakam, every time
[3:17] Speaker 4: I bet on him to go over two, he never does.
[3:19] Speaker 4: So let's figure this out.
[3:20] Speaker 5: You got to explain your pick. Over the top, he might,
[3:24] Speaker 5: you know, he up in the air. He never, but
[3:27] Speaker 5: it's at home, so I might, yeah.
[3:29] Speaker 1: That's the thing.
[3:31] Speaker 5: I'm hoping they still guard Tyrese the same way, though,
[3:33] Speaker 5: because they're not letting him shoot.
[3:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, that one, I'm cool with him making three. I get, yeah, cool,
[3:38] Speaker 1: but shit. Yeah, Isaiah Joe probably the only one I'm
[3:41] Speaker 1: scared of. Mather in two. Corner three. Yeah, corner. Yeah, yeah.
[3:48] Speaker 4: I'm giving this a moment, letting the chat kind of
[3:50] Speaker 4: figure these things out. My shit low, my shit low.
[3:53] Speaker 4: I'm trying to get it back up. I'm trying to
[3:54] Speaker 4: get it up, Shaf. While I'm stalling. A little vamping.
[3:58] Speaker 1: Numbers down all the way around the board, man. Not
[4:00] Speaker 1: a lot of believers right now, but we asked the
[4:02] Speaker 1: chat if they're riding or fading with your partner pack. 34%
[4:05] Speaker 1: of the.
[4:05] Speaker 4: Chat says they're riding 66% of the chat currently not rolling.
[4:09] Speaker 1: That's good.
[4:10] Speaker 4: Not thriving off next year. You know why? Cause I'll
[4:12] Speaker 4: probably go and win. And 66% will not be a
[4:15] Speaker 4: part of that function. But y'all just go opposite of me.
[4:18] Speaker 4: Y'all to win.
[4:19] Speaker 1: If you do use child's partner, more than 12 times
[4:22] Speaker 1: your bread, nearly 13 times. If you round up, Gil
[4:25] Speaker 1: also has a picks up in his partner pack on
[4:27] Speaker 1: the underdog gap. Let's see. What he's got, Gil got
[4:31] Speaker 1: Tyrese Halliburton, higher, 7.5 assists. Oh, shit, he added a boost. SGA. Oh, shit. Higher,
[4:38] Speaker 1: 2.5 blocks and steals combined. Pascal Siakam, higher, 15.5 points. Siakam,
[4:42] Speaker 1: been a little off so far in the finals, averaging
[4:45] Speaker 1: 17 a game. But if you use Gil's pack, where
[4:47] Speaker 1: you be getting the boost at, Gil? The extender? What
[4:49] Speaker 1: promo'd you use?
[4:51] Speaker 6: I don't know.
[4:52] Speaker 1: Give him my picks. Just click them. Okay, it's a
[4:54] Speaker 1: booster pack. Got the extended promo. They got a lot
[4:57] Speaker 1: of stuff going on on the Underdog app. But if
[4:58] Speaker 1: you use Gilt's picks, you can win nearly five times
[5:00] Speaker 1: your bread. So we asked the chat if they're riding
[5:03] Speaker 1: or fading. What's your partner pack, Gil? Hold on. Give
[5:07] Speaker 1: me un momento. Easy money. One thing that let me
[5:10] Speaker 1: down yesterday. Who? Kelsey. What you had?
[5:15] Speaker 4: I had her five assists.
[5:17] Speaker 1: No, a couple threes, I think. Two threes.
[5:22] Speaker 4: She only had like 0 for 5. Oh, she didn't
[5:24] Speaker 4: hit none? Oh, hell no. Everybody else turned up. Everybody
[5:29] Speaker 4: else turned up. We asked the chat if they're riding
[5:31] Speaker 4: or fading. Your partner pack 69% of the chat currently
[5:34] Speaker 4: riding with your partner pack on the underdog up. Up
[5:39] Speaker 4: to 5 times your brush. Now you're 12. They're a
[5:41] Speaker 4: little bit less risky. I've been losing.
[5:43] Speaker 5: I wouldn't ride with me either. I wasn't even going
[5:45] Speaker 5: to turn my picks in today. Fuck these picks, man.
[5:49] Speaker 5: Give me some more money.
[5:50] Speaker 4: But if you're running with either of those, go ahead
[5:52] Speaker 4: and Hit the Underdog app. Roll with the partner packs.
[5:54] Speaker 4: If you don't have Underdog, download the app. Use promo
[5:56] Speaker 4: code GIL.
[5:57] Speaker 1: Get up to $ 1, 000 in bonus cash plus a special pickup.
[6:00] Speaker 1: And if you can't watch the show live with us
[6:01] Speaker 1: on YouTube, we have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify,
[6:03] Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. So we're going to start
[6:06] Speaker 1: this with a little interesting discussion that's been dominating sports news.
[6:10] Speaker 1: So French Open just wrapped up this weekend. Coco Gauff
[6:13] Speaker 1: taking home the crown on the women's side. On the
[6:15] Speaker 1: men's side, Carlos Alcaraz mounted a legendary comeback to defeat
[6:18] Speaker 1: Yannick Sinner in five sets to win his second straight
[6:20] Speaker 1: title at Roland Garros. So the five-hour and 29-minute match
[6:25] Speaker 1: is the longest in French Open history, second longest men's
[6:27] Speaker 1: major final by time behind the 2012 Australian Open between
[6:32] Speaker 1: Djokovic and Nadal. So after the record-setting match, Andy Roddick,
[6:36] Speaker 1: former number one-ranked men's singles player, 2003 U.S. Open champ,
[6:40] Speaker 1: offered these thoughts on his served podcast on how tennis
[6:43] Speaker 1: players stack up against other athletes.
[6:46] Speaker 7: I think tennis players are the best athletes in the world.
[7:04] Speaker 7: complete examination of an athlete that i can think of
[7:07] Speaker 7: you know we used to get viewed as like oh
[7:09] Speaker 7: you're soft like country club sport i don't know that
[7:12] Speaker 7: that narrative exists i don't know how you can watch
[7:15] Speaker 7: and not say the athleticism on display is otherworldly i
[7:21] Speaker 7: think tennis players are the best athletes in the world
[7:23] Speaker 7: the more i watch it the more i think it
[7:24] Speaker 7: tell me why i'm wrong.
[7:26] Speaker 1: A lot of tennis in his day five hour 30
[7:28] Speaker 1: minute match so despite saying he wasn't trying to throw
[7:31] Speaker 1: shade at nba players roddick appeared to be respectfully disrespectful,
[7:36] Speaker 1: but is Andy Roddick spitting or tripping saying tennis players
[7:38] Speaker 1: are the best athletes in the world?
[7:40] Speaker 5: Sean, what you think? It's worth the conversation. Going back
[7:48] Speaker 5: and forth like they do for five hours. Knees, ankles, back, spasms, dehydration,
[7:56] Speaker 5: all that shit. We can't say whether or not that's
[8:01] Speaker 5: accurate because we're not tennis players. Go out there and
[8:03] Speaker 5: play for five hours and hitting that bitch back and forth,
[8:06] Speaker 5: back and forth. But they can't say what it is
[8:09] Speaker 5: like to be on this side either. Everybody watching from
[8:12] Speaker 5: a spectator's standpoint. So I think until you actually go
[8:16] Speaker 5: try to do it and you feel what it is like,
[8:19] Speaker 5: then you make the assessment, you know. And, you know,
[8:21] Speaker 5: Larry plays everything, so I can make the assessment, you
[8:24] Speaker 5: know what I'm saying?
[8:26] Speaker 4: And there's football players still exist. There's basketball. We jump,
[8:30] Speaker 4: we run, we do a bunch of shit.
[8:32] Speaker 1: So....
[8:34] Speaker 4: It's worth the conversation, but like he said, he's speaking
[8:36] Speaker 4: for his set of athletes and his sport, so you
[8:40] Speaker 4: can't discredit it.
[8:41] Speaker 1: You can only just kind of compare it and have
[8:43] Speaker 1: the conversation. So Gil, you're a renowned local pickleball player,
[8:48] Speaker 1: similar to tennis in some regards. Game's a little bit shorter.
[8:52] Speaker 1: Playing in the elements, though, in the Valley, 100 degrees.
[8:56] Speaker 1: What do you think about Andy Roddick saying tennis players
[8:58] Speaker 1: are the best athletes in the world? When you say
[9:01] Speaker 1: best athletes....
[9:04] Speaker 4: Means you take everybody out of their elements and then
[9:08] Speaker 4: you put them in other elements to see who can
[9:14] Speaker 4: actually still compete.
[9:18] Speaker 1: At a decent level.
[9:20] Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure you can take every basketball player.
[9:27] Speaker 1: And they can compete. Probably not with him, of course,
[9:30] Speaker 1: but they can compete in tennis.
[9:31] Speaker 4: I mean, actually, when we retire from our.
[9:34] Speaker 1: Sports, we play that. There's no way he can retire
[9:39] Speaker 1: from tennis and play basketball. Oh, no. Right? He would
[9:43] Speaker 1: get cooked? I mean, he would get cooked even if
[9:46] Speaker 1: he was young because that sport, you have.
[9:49] Speaker 4: To learn it from an earlier age, right? So there's
[9:53] Speaker 4: nothing they have on us. We have eye, hand coordination.
[9:57] Speaker 4: We play against other bodies. they're this is like shadow
[10:00] Speaker 4: boxing yep in a sense right you're running up and
[10:04] Speaker 4: down moving side to side but you're not you're not
[10:07] Speaker 4: physically in harm of nothing right your worst injury your
[10:12] Speaker 4: top injury is probably what Wrist, ankle, toe turf, blisters
[10:19] Speaker 4: on the bottom of your foot, right? There's no knee
[10:24] Speaker 4: patellas being torn. You're not getting clipped out of the air.
[10:27] Speaker 4: I agree with.
[10:28] Speaker 1: That part, Gil, but they are tearing ACLs, tennis elbow.
[10:33] Speaker 1: Lucky for me, they have a whole elbow injury. There's
[10:36] Speaker 1: abdominal strains, hip flex. There's no, when you think of
[10:39] Speaker 1: top tendonitis, I don't get tendonitis. They are. That shit strenuous.
[10:46] Speaker 4: No, no, it's strenuous. Because it's like a runner. It's
[10:50] Speaker 4: like a runner. No, but I've watched a top athlete
[10:54] Speaker 4: of a basketball player jump over other niggas that's 44-inch verticals.
[10:58] Speaker 1: I understand that, but I didn't ask you that. I said,
[11:00] Speaker 1: have you ever went and watched the top, like Andre Agassi,
[11:04] Speaker 1: Pete Sample, have you ever went and watched them dudes,
[11:07] Speaker 1: Andy Rock, have you ever went and watched a match
[11:09] Speaker 1: in person?
[11:09] Speaker 4: Yes.
[11:10] Speaker 1: Not them. The top level guy. No. I suggest you do.
[11:16] Speaker 4: Right?
[11:16] Speaker 1: They're different. But we're not comparing how hard it is.
[11:18] Speaker 2: So we're not comparing them, but you trying to discredit
[11:21] Speaker 2: what they... No, I'm not discrediting.
[11:23] Speaker 1: I'm saying.
[11:23] Speaker 4: They are athletes as well. But they're not us. Of
[11:25] Speaker 4: course they're not us. Because they're not.
[11:28] Speaker 6: black athlete.
[11:29] Speaker 4: No, we're talking about we're just talking about the top.
[11:32] Speaker 1: Now, that's most recently.
[11:35] Speaker 4: The top tennis players are not black. They just started
[11:43] Speaker 4: to pick it up and be somewhat relevant in that sport.
[11:46] Speaker 2: So, of course, they're not going to be the athletes
[11:48] Speaker 2: that we are. Like, they're just impossible. DNA is just
[11:52] Speaker 2: fucking impossible.
[11:53] Speaker 1: That's all we're talking about, man. But he's taking up,
[11:56] Speaker 1: just like you're taking up for basketball, he's going to
[11:58] Speaker 1: take up for tennis. It's the same fucking thing, right?
[12:01] Speaker 1: So he feels the way he feels. I feel basketball
[12:05] Speaker 1: is the best thing on the planet, but I've went
[12:07] Speaker 1: and watched them dudes at the top level and be like,
[12:11] Speaker 1: God damn. He's moving. He's fucking athletic.
[12:14] Speaker 4: The motherfucker got the 6'5, 6'6, out there serving that
[12:17] Speaker 4: motherfucker 140, 150 miles per hour.
[12:20] Speaker 1: That shit is a skill. It's a skill.
[12:24] Speaker 2: They've worked at it, and they are athletic in that
[12:26] Speaker 2: in their own right. Everyone's athletic in that sport. They're
[12:29] Speaker 2: not going to be us. Some guys are not athletic
[12:32] Speaker 2: in that sport, Gil. This is not about... Just like basketball.
[12:35] Speaker 2: We're talking about... Some guys are not athletic in basketball, right?
[12:37] Speaker 2: We're talking about who's won. He's saying he's won.
[12:40] Speaker 1: They're the top. They're not the top. Okay, that's the
[12:42] Speaker 1: way he feels. Yeah, but... He can feel that way.
[12:43] Speaker 1: There's no logic behind it. But that's the way he feels. No,
[12:46] Speaker 1: it is. It is logic. So you can't discredit the
[12:47] Speaker 1: way that man feels. I'm not discrediting him. You're trying to, yes. No, I'm...
[12:51] Speaker 1: I'm not discrediting him. Yes, you are. You're trying to.
[12:53] Speaker 4: I'm saying when it comes to athleticism... But he feels different.
[12:57] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm saying athleticism... You have your opinion, right? I'm
[13:01] Speaker 1: saying athleticism.
[13:02] Speaker 4: If I take him from his sport, can he be
[13:05] Speaker 4: dominant in track, tennis... boxing, any other sport.
[13:11] Speaker 1: That's athleticism.
[13:12] Speaker 4: So can we be dominant in any other sport if
[13:13] Speaker 4: you take us after.
[13:14] Speaker 1: We got done playing? But you said after he got
[13:17] Speaker 1: done playing, right? Hold on. You said after he got
[13:19] Speaker 1: done playing, correct?
[13:20] Speaker 4: I can take you as an athlete. Can you answer
[13:25] Speaker 4: my question? I can put you in boxing.
[13:27] Speaker 1: Can you answer my question? I can put you in wrestling.
[13:29] Speaker 4: Can you answer my question? I can put you in track.
[13:32] Speaker 4: I can put you in football. I can put you
[13:34] Speaker 4: in every sport. And you can play the sport. That
[13:37] Speaker 4: is called athleticism. But you said, your statement is, when
[13:42] Speaker 4: he gets, did you not say it?
[13:45] Speaker 1: When he gets done... Let's go back and forth. Y'all
[13:49] Speaker 1: let each other go back and forth. Did you say.
[13:55] Speaker 4: Did you not say when he gets done playing that
[13:58] Speaker 4: when we get done playing, we can go play a sport?
[14:00] Speaker 1: Did you say that?
[14:02] Speaker 4: Yes. So when we get done playing our sport, we
[14:05] Speaker 4: can't go be dominant in that shit.
[14:07] Speaker 1: We can go play it.
[14:10] Speaker 4: For leisure, but we can't go be dominant in it
[14:12] Speaker 4: when we get done playing it.
[14:14] Speaker 1: I mean, your words. These things that you said. He's
[14:20] Speaker 1: going to feel the way he feels. Who's the best athlete?
[14:23] Speaker 4: What are you talking about? Who is the best athlete
[14:25] Speaker 4: in the world? I don't fuck gymnasts, nigga. Okay. I'll
[14:29] Speaker 4: say decathletes. Fucking gymnasts. The best athletes on the planet.
[14:33] Speaker 1: That's a fucking good answer. The gymnasts are the best
[14:36] Speaker 1: athletes on the planet. Hey, I was surprised by that.
[14:39] Speaker 4: So what are you saying? You can't go do shit
[14:42] Speaker 4: they can do. At your fucking peak.
[14:45] Speaker 1: I can't backflip? Not the shit that they can do.
[14:49] Speaker 4: Good.
[14:49] Speaker 1: Do you have a floor routine? We got a floor routine.
[14:51] Speaker 1: So you're saying. We can't do the shit they can do, Gil.
[14:54] Speaker 1: Can they do anything we can do? Yes. What can
[14:56] Speaker 1: they do? They can dunk. They can catch a ball.
[14:58] Speaker 4: They can dribble the ball. What can they fucking do, man?
[15:01] Speaker 4: We're talking about athleticism. But is that what athleticism is?
[15:04] Speaker 4: Peer athleticism is your torque muscle.
[15:05] Speaker 1: Yes, your torque.
[15:10] Speaker 4: Absolutely not exactly it's not it's your speaking you don't
[15:14] Speaker 4: get that so if we do that goddamn shit and
[15:17] Speaker 4: land on your feet no you can't if we take
[15:20] Speaker 4: 10 sports right and we take basketball players track football
[15:25] Speaker 4: tennis gymnast and we say you guys all have to
[15:29] Speaker 4: do these sports against each other who is the top
[15:34] Speaker 4: athlete the football the football and the basketball player together
[15:38] Speaker 4: So against each other doing what?
[15:40] Speaker 1: Playing basketball? No, just any regular activity.
[15:45] Speaker 4: If we did sprinting, if we did volleyball, lifting, swimming,
[15:51] Speaker 4: if we... It's about you. It's not about your sport.
[15:54] Speaker 4: What does the body yourself do?
[15:56] Speaker 1: Gymnast, probably. Gymnast. You're talking about balance, strength, and core, and...
[16:02] Speaker 1: All that. Yes. Maybe. Yes. Yeah. And I'm a help.
[16:05] Speaker 1: I think we are fucking peak. This is what I think. Yeah.
[16:09] Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I don't know.
[16:12] Speaker 5: I know he's saying that don't get no better athlete
[16:14] Speaker 5: than me. We are the most adaptable athletes. That's called
[16:17] Speaker 5: most adaptable. Best looking to our. But it doesn't mean
[16:20] Speaker 5: that we are the best athletes. We can adapt to
[16:24] Speaker 5: all of the sports. We can go in and say, yeah,
[16:26] Speaker 5: we can pick that up.
[16:27] Speaker 1: Point. We can pick that up. Point. We can pick
[16:29] Speaker 1: that up. Point. But to be the best athlete. We'll
[16:33] Speaker 1: go into those sports and then succeed and thrive.
[16:36] Speaker 5: That's not something we can actually calculate, but I get.
[16:40] Speaker 1: What you're saying. They can't do certain things we can do.
[16:42] Speaker 5: You're saying that we, by default, because of what we
[16:45] Speaker 5: do on our sport, we should be considered the best
[16:48] Speaker 5: athletes because no one else can do.
[16:50] Speaker 1: Because there's people that can do our sport that's not athletes.
[16:52] Speaker 4: Like I said, Mouse Gary can run and try to
[16:54] Speaker 4: dunk from the free throw line and get there, but
[16:56] Speaker 4: he might not dunk it, but he's athletic enough.
[16:59] Speaker 1: To do it. Now, football players can dunk. They can't land.
[17:03] Speaker 5: They don't have the, yeah, they don't have the, but
[17:05] Speaker 5: they haven't been taught like we have.
[17:07] Speaker 1: They land like football players. Right, they land like they land.
[17:09] Speaker 4: They jump and land like football players. Tennis players are
[17:11] Speaker 4: going to run from here to here as fast.
[17:12] Speaker 1: As they can. That's what they know.
[17:14] Speaker 5: Go here, go here, go here, hit. But when you
[17:16] Speaker 5: tell them to jump over the motherfucking, over the net.
[17:18] Speaker 5: he gonna get his foot caught.
[17:19] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Some of them will. He never did it. Absolutely.
[17:23] Speaker 4: But it's different aspects of the sport that you look at,
[17:26] Speaker 4: you say, well, if you got a guy that played
[17:29] Speaker 4: basketball that ain't never hit nothing, he gonna swing, he
[17:32] Speaker 4: swinging his bitch like it's a baseball.
[17:33] Speaker 1: You can go give him, knocking it out the park
[17:36] Speaker 1: every time.
[17:37] Speaker 2: We all can do things that the other set of
[17:39] Speaker 2: athletes can't do. We all thrive in different ways, right?
[17:43] Speaker 2: We're all different, special, some not athletes, some good at
[17:47] Speaker 2: the sport.
[17:48] Speaker 1: It's not athletic.
[17:49] Speaker 2: Guys play basketball in the NBA that can't jump over
[17:53] Speaker 2: fucking Saturday's newspaper.
[17:55] Speaker 5: Basketball players cannot go into baseball. Those guys are not
[17:57] Speaker 5: athletic at all. They made it to the highest level.
[18:00] Speaker 1: We are going to have a trouble. Hitting a baseball
[18:03] Speaker 1: is probably the hardest. The hardest. And then you think
[18:08] Speaker 1: about throwing the ball. You have to throw the ball
[18:11] Speaker 1: accurately to first base. From over here. Can you catch
[18:16] Speaker 1: a baseball? I'm a champion literally. With my bare hand? No,
[18:19] Speaker 1: with the glove like they do. Yeah. Can you hit
[18:21] Speaker 1: a baseball though? Can you be an outfield? You think
[18:23] Speaker 1: that's easy though? No, I'm just saying. I'm asking you.
[18:25] Speaker 4: Do you think catching a ball with a glove is easy? See,
[18:27] Speaker 4: that's the thing y'all missing. It's not about your particular sport.
[18:31] Speaker 4: We're talking about the human body itself as.
[18:35] Speaker 1: The athlete itself. The athlete. Run, jump, run, jump, react, move.
[18:42] Speaker 1: That's the athlete.
[18:43] Speaker 5: You think a basketball player can put a baseball glove
[18:46] Speaker 5: on and just catch a baseball just because?
[18:49] Speaker 1: You think it's that easy? The professional guys, they miss
[18:56] Speaker 1: the ball.
[18:57] Speaker 4: We're not talking about being experts at something. We're talking
[19:01] Speaker 4: about doing it. We have eye-hand coordination. We can catch it.
[19:05] Speaker 4: But it's not that easy.
[19:06] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So you're going from being dominant
[19:07] Speaker 1: to doing it. So you fucking tricky, boy. Can he
[19:11] Speaker 1: do anything? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Can he
[19:14] Speaker 1: do anything we can do at any level, the beginner level?
[19:19] Speaker 1: We can be beginners at their sport.
[19:21] Speaker 4: We can put a tennis and we can move, we
[19:23] Speaker 4: can jump, we can do that naturally. That's what we
[19:27] Speaker 4: naturally can do. We can run side to side, up
[19:29] Speaker 4: and down, move. We can naturally do that without hitting
[19:33] Speaker 4: the ball, right? Without hitting the ball.
[19:35] Speaker 1: Can he jump up and down?
[19:38] Speaker 4: And chase us and run around, get through screens.
[19:43] Speaker 1: There's no human being that he has to react to.
[19:47] Speaker 5: But the basic function of going to 24-hour if Andy
[19:50] Speaker 5: Roddy go to 24-hour, right?
[19:52] Speaker 1: And we pick him up. And we pick him up
[19:54] Speaker 1: on our team. What does he have to do to
[19:56] Speaker 1: be able to be on my team? Set good screens.
[19:58] Speaker 1: And play defense. Run around, fight through screens, like you
[20:01] Speaker 1: just said. He don't have to shoot a fucking shot.
[20:03] Speaker 1: He don't have to dribble the ball at all. Just
[20:05] Speaker 1: pass it to me, I'll pass it back. He could
[20:06] Speaker 1: be a good corner boy. He could knock down a middie.
[20:08] Speaker 1: I'm just saying. All right, man. They're athletic as fuck, man. Ken,
[20:13] Speaker 1: you mentioned difference between skill, sport like tennis, hockey as well.
[20:16] Speaker 1: So the entire sports world has been discussing this topic
[20:19] Speaker 1: on First Take. Former hockey player P.K. Subban weighed in.
[20:24] Speaker 8: LeBron James is an absolute freak of an athlete.
[20:27] Speaker 1: No one is ever going to question that. He is.
[20:29] Speaker 8: And until I see him on a football field or
[20:32] Speaker 8: any other field, I can't comment of his dominance. But
[20:34] Speaker 8: I'll use him as an example because watching him on TV,
[20:37] Speaker 8: he's just unbelievable to watch as an athlete.
[20:39] Speaker 1: We know that.
[20:41] Speaker 8: But there is no question for me that hockey players
[20:44] Speaker 8: and playing hockey is the most difficult sport and the
[20:48] Speaker 8: toughest sport to play. There's two disciplines in in ice
[20:54] Speaker 8: skating in the olympics that you can win an olympic
[20:56] Speaker 8: gold medal we expect our players to do it as
[20:59] Speaker 8: a matter of course and then it's full contact so
[21:02] Speaker 8: you gotta be fearless as well you're getting hit there's
[21:05] Speaker 8: no out of bounds and you gotta fight and by
[21:07] Speaker 8: the way our guys there's no.
[21:09] Speaker 9: Game management there's no load management there's none of that
[21:13] Speaker 9: they play banged up steven a they play hurt they
[21:16] Speaker 9: play with broken bones they play with torn ligaments i've
[21:19] Speaker 9: done it players do it they're still doing it But when.
[21:23] Speaker 4: You talk about pure athleticism and I think about the
[21:26] Speaker 4: versatility that comes with it, I'm going to go the route.
[21:29] Speaker 1: Of the basketball player. I'm going to go with Markeith
[21:32] Speaker 1: on this, okay? And it ain't just because of mama's water.
[21:35] Speaker 1: It ain't just because of mama's water. I want LeBron
[21:37] Speaker 1: on skates. I want LeBron on skates first. Ain't no
[21:40] Speaker 1: nigga putting on no skates.
[21:41] Speaker 5: Ain't no nigga putting on no skates going out there
[21:44] Speaker 5: to fall.
[21:46] Speaker 1: You got to learn how to skate first. Then you
[21:50] Speaker 1: got to learn. I went to school up there with them.
[21:53] Speaker 1: moving the stick and hey do you want to um
[21:55] Speaker 1: play hockey or you want to do cross country.
[21:58] Speaker 2: I'm gonna run yeah that's a different conversation though we've
[22:01] Speaker 2: seen black men have success in hockey you fall on
[22:03] Speaker 2: that ice you know what russ tyler with the knuckle
[22:05] Speaker 2: puck he is right like it's a different combination of
[22:08] Speaker 2: what athlete and what hockey players do right is that
[22:12] Speaker 2: that shit dealt the most difficult i do believe like
[22:16] Speaker 2: to do concentrate on the puck You got a fucking
[22:19] Speaker 2: stick in your hand.
[22:20] Speaker 4: You on a skate. It's a lot of elements out there, motherfucker, right?
[22:25] Speaker 4: That you got to deal with.
[22:27] Speaker 1: Motherfucker, blades at the bottom of the suit. Blades are
[22:29] Speaker 1: at the bottom. All of that, but it's not an
[22:32] Speaker 1: athlete conversation. For me, that's not a conversation. Would you
[22:36] Speaker 1: say hockey's the most difficult sport to play, though? I
[22:39] Speaker 1: believe so. I would say so.
[22:41] Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of sports out there in
[22:42] Speaker 5: comparison to all the other ones. You got to put skates.
[22:45] Speaker 1: On and skate. I'm not a skater.
[22:46] Speaker 2: And to concentrate on that puck and where it got
[22:50] Speaker 2: to go to get.
[22:50] Speaker 1: It to where you got to get to. And the
[22:52] Speaker 1: muscles you got to have to push off on the leg.
[22:54] Speaker 1: All that push off shit with the skating.
[22:57] Speaker 4: And catching the fucking puck. I believe so. Just my
[23:00] Speaker 4: personal opinion. You look like you got something on your mind.
[23:05] Speaker 4: It's ice skating with a stick. That is very basic.
[23:13] Speaker 4: I'm just saying, where was Nancy Kerrigan? When she hit
[23:17] Speaker 4: her girl with that stick, where was her athleticism? Where
[23:20] Speaker 4: was Tanya Harden's athleticism when she was trying to dodge
[23:24] Speaker 4: that stick?
[23:26] Speaker 1: They ranked 8th. Ninth. So did you just say something?
[23:30] Speaker 4: Eight. Eight. Eight.
[23:31] Speaker 2: She hired some dudes to jump on that woman and
[23:33] Speaker 2: that's what the fuck you going with?
[23:34] Speaker 1: Tennis is fifth. Man, get on with it. Tennis is fifth.
[23:38] Speaker 1: What is number one? Tennis is fifth. According to? Fifth. Man.
[23:41] Speaker 1: Most athletic sport, tennis is five. Hockey is eight. What's
[23:46] Speaker 1: number one? Hold on, hold on. According to?
[23:48] Speaker 6: Hold on.
[23:49] Speaker 1: Boxing is, they got boxing as one. We're not finna
[23:51] Speaker 1: skip over that though. I did. Tennis is fifth. No,
[23:53] Speaker 1: we're not finna skip over that though.
[23:55] Speaker 4: You can't use this woman getting jumped on to prove
[23:58] Speaker 4: your fucking point.
[23:59] Speaker 1: No, my point. My point. No, I didn't prove my point.
[24:02] Speaker 1: That wasn't my point. That fucking woman didn't do it, nigga.
[24:05] Speaker 1: He didn't do it? That woman didn't do it, so.
[24:07] Speaker 1: My point was. Nah, we not finna talk. Nah, we
[24:10] Speaker 1: not finna do that, girl. We not finna do that. Okay,
[24:12] Speaker 1: then move the fuck on then. Yeah, we not finna
[24:13] Speaker 1: do that. Then move on then. Let's move on from
[24:15] Speaker 1: the topic. You gonna walk. This woman getting jumped on. Okay,
[24:17] Speaker 1: we moved on.
[24:18] Speaker 4: This woman getting jumped on by two dudes to prove
[24:20] Speaker 4: your fucking point.
[24:21] Speaker 1: That's fucking like. No, no, no, dude. Come on, man.
[24:25] Speaker 1: Ice skating with a stick. No way. No way. Not rolling.
[24:30] Speaker 1: Not rolling, not rolling, not rolling, man. They got gymnasts
[24:33] Speaker 1: over fucking hockey. So can you read the list, please?
[24:38] Speaker 1: It's not athletic conversation about hockey. Toughness, yeah. Toughness is
[24:43] Speaker 1: other things other than athleticism. I'm going off of what
[24:46] Speaker 1: he said, bro. Okay, cool. And I disagree with him. Okay.
[24:50] Speaker 1: It's not athletic conversation. So I disagree with him, too. Okay.
[24:54] Speaker 1: So what's the point you're trying to make? I'm responding
[24:57] Speaker 1: to him. We are as well. Okay. We are as well,
[25:01] Speaker 1: but the point that you was trying to make. Tennis
[25:03] Speaker 1: is fifth. Cool. Okay. Where does basketball rank? In front
[25:08] Speaker 1: of them. Okay, cool. Who's ranking? Yeah, who's ranking them?
[25:12] Speaker 1: Consensus for the last 50 years. Cool.
[25:16] Speaker 4: Whatever they have, that list is cool. Whatever sport somebody played,
[25:21] Speaker 4: that's the sport that they're going to go with. So
[25:23] Speaker 4: whoever's making the list, great.
[25:26] Speaker 1: Cool.
[25:26] Speaker 2: Somebody took the time out for the last 50, 60, 70,
[25:30] Speaker 2: 80 fucking hundred years to make a list on most
[25:33] Speaker 2: athletic sports, whatever, however they got to it.
[25:37] Speaker 1: Cool.
[25:37] Speaker 4: But whoever plays their sport, whatever sport it is, tennis,
[25:43] Speaker 4: they're going to go with their sport.
[25:45] Speaker 1: Fucking swimming.
[25:45] Speaker 4: They're going to go with their sport. Hockey players are
[25:47] Speaker 4: going to go with their sport. But I'm just, they're
[25:50] Speaker 4: going to believe. Women are pretty fucking tough too. Yeah,
[25:52] Speaker 4: but I'm just saying though, they're going to go with
[25:54] Speaker 4: their sport. So everybody is biased. I think basketball players
[25:58] Speaker 4: are more athletic. But if I'm real about it, gymnasts,
[26:03] Speaker 4: this shit is fucking impossible.
[26:05] Speaker 1: You're talking about athletic. What's the difference between a basketball
[26:07] Speaker 1: player and a track star? Who gets the most work?
[26:12] Speaker 1: That's the difference. Soccer. Soccer. So how do we get
[26:16] Speaker 1: rid of opinion? Isn't that what the expert is? That's
[26:18] Speaker 1: what the people who are voting? Everybody is entitled to
[26:21] Speaker 1: their opinion.
[26:21] Speaker 4: So we all had our opinion, and then there's a
[26:23] Speaker 4: list for the last 50 years.
[26:24] Speaker 1: We don't go by this? I don't care about that list, Gil.
[26:27] Speaker 1: You care about that list. I don't, Gil. That list
[26:30] Speaker 1: don't dictate truth. That's somebody else's opinion. Yeah, you care
[26:32] Speaker 1: about that list.
[26:34] Speaker 5: That list is somebody else's opinion you're deciding to put
[26:36] Speaker 5: above your own. I mean, I take my own list.
[26:42] Speaker 5: So that's called an opinion. Yeah, it's their opinion. I'm
[26:45] Speaker 5: not going to take their opinion.
[26:46] Speaker 1: I'm going to take my own. Whoever it is, it's
[26:47] Speaker 1: cool for them, bro. Like, when I was discrediting their list,
[26:50] Speaker 1: that's fine. That's fine for them. Cool list. However they
[26:53] Speaker 1: put it together, great. I got my own list. Yeah,
[26:55] Speaker 1: I got my own. That's what we call opinions.
[26:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I said. Everybody's entitled to one, Gil.
[27:00] Speaker 4: everybody has their own. And you beat opinions with facts, right?
[27:04] Speaker 4: So what are facts? How is that a.
[27:06] Speaker 1: How is the list fact? How? Just like any list,
[27:08] Speaker 1: that's a fact. How is that a fact? Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[27:10] Speaker 1: So are you wrong with that list? How is that
[27:12] Speaker 1: a fact? You're wrong because you looked it up online.
[27:14] Speaker 1: Where does the fact come from? Yes, where does the
[27:16] Speaker 1: fact come from? Please tell me.
[27:17] Speaker 4: Like people who are voting, there's a bunch of voters
[27:20] Speaker 4: and they all vote just like anything in life.
[27:22] Speaker 1: On their opinions. Oh, the 7 billion people on the planet?
[27:25] Speaker 1: They vote on their opinions.
[27:27] Speaker 4: Gil, so you put an opinion and make it into
[27:29] Speaker 4: a fact.
[27:30] Speaker 10: How?
[27:33] Speaker 1: So if I give you a list of 10 things
[27:35] Speaker 1: to vote on, right? And all the people vote from their...
[27:38] Speaker 1: We're talking 10 sports.
[27:39] Speaker 4: From their opinion base, their opinion.
[27:41] Speaker 1: So it's 10 sports, right? They vote on their 10.
[27:45] Speaker 4: List of 10 from 1 through 10 on what they
[27:47] Speaker 4: think is the most athletic sport, yes or no.
[27:51] Speaker 1: Assume that's the way it went. Right? So... Your list
[27:56] Speaker 1: will be your list, right? If we fill the paper
[27:58] Speaker 1: out as them people did, your list will be your list.
[28:03] Speaker 1: His list will be his list.
[28:04] Speaker 4: Everybody in this room list will be their list. A
[28:08] Speaker 4: couple might be the same, but more than likely, all
[28:11] Speaker 4: of them are going to be different.
[28:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[28:13] Speaker 4: And that's, so his opinion, their opinion, his opinion, his opinion,
[28:16] Speaker 4: his opinion. So how do you get a fact out
[28:18] Speaker 4: of a bunch of opinions?
[28:18] Speaker 1: They put them all together. And it's not an opinion statement?
[28:20] Speaker 1: They put them all together and then that's how they
[28:23] Speaker 1: do it. It makes a fact. Do you agree with
[28:25] Speaker 1: the list?
[28:25] Speaker 4: So if there's 100 people and we're all voting top
[28:30] Speaker 4: five of anything, just like there, 60-something percent, 20-something percent,
[28:36] Speaker 4: it goes.
[28:36] Speaker 1: You just tally up the votes of what? But it's
[28:40] Speaker 1: still not an opinion. It's Yeah, because it can't be fact.
[28:43] Speaker 1: I'm confused. That's where I'm lost at. It becomes a fact.
[28:47] Speaker 1: It becomes a poll of opinions. That turns into a fact.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Do you agree with the list, Gil, or would your
[28:55] Speaker 1: list be different?
[28:58] Speaker 5: It can't be a fact because we just did with
[29:00] Speaker 5: the teams and shit, right? So if 70% of people
[29:05] Speaker 5: are rolling with your pick and you don't hit, Was
[29:09] Speaker 5: it an opinion or a fact that that 70% was
[29:10] Speaker 5: going to hit?
[29:12] Speaker 4: It's a fact once it hits. But it don't hit.
[29:14] Speaker 4: How is it a fact? Then it's an opinion. Once
[29:17] Speaker 4: it hits, it's a fact, right? Because it hit. There's
[29:20] Speaker 4: a result.
[29:21] Speaker 1: Fact is fact.
[29:22] Speaker 4: There is no swaying fact left or right. When it's fact,
[29:25] Speaker 4: it's truth, it's truth. There's no if it doesn't hit,
[29:27] Speaker 4: it's not fact.
[29:29] Speaker 1: It becomes fact. There's only fact, bro. Nothing can become
[29:33] Speaker 1: a fact. It can become a fact.
[29:37] Speaker 4: If I give my opinion to say OKC, is going
[29:40] Speaker 4: to win a championship and you say Pacers, that's both
[29:43] Speaker 4: our opinion right now. The fact comes on whoever wins it, right?
[29:49] Speaker 4: Isn't that when the fact, that's when it becomes a.
[29:51] Speaker 1: Fact, right? So what's before the fact? An opinion. And
[29:55] Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. Oh, shit. We haven't seen him.
[29:59] Speaker 5: There's no fact at the end of our opinions because
[30:02] Speaker 5: nobody has come from tennis to play basketball. Nobody has
[30:06] Speaker 5: went from basketball to do all this. So there's no
[30:08] Speaker 5: fact in what we're talking about. It's all opinions from
[30:11] Speaker 5: everybody across the board.
[30:13] Speaker 1: That's the point. So if Tiger Woods said he's the
[30:17] Speaker 1: best athlete. Okay. All right. I get it. That's his opinion.
[30:21] Speaker 1: We would probably disagree with that. Why? Very good golfer.
[30:24] Speaker 1: Why is that? Because he's never played basketball. I haven't
[30:27] Speaker 1: seen his meeting. He's never played. He never ran a
[30:31] Speaker 1: fucking round in the football league.
[30:33] Speaker 4: But he's no different than what everybody else is saying, right?
[30:36] Speaker 4: It's an opinion that nobody can prove.
[30:39] Speaker 1: And the people that's voting just is irrelevant. So it
[30:43] Speaker 1: can't be fact. So we asked the chat for their
[30:46] Speaker 1: opinion on this particular topic. We said, which sport? Oh,
[30:49] Speaker 1: the Jackson for their fact. Which sport would have the
[30:52] Speaker 1: best athlete? 40% of the chat said basketball, 32% said football, 23%
[30:55] Speaker 1: said soccer, 5% said tennis. Well, speaking of lists and opinion,
[31:00] Speaker 1: Ringer recently updated their top 100 NBA players list for
[31:03] Speaker 1: this season. So according to their site, this list is
[31:06] Speaker 1: a year-round, around-the-clock ranking of the players making the biggest
[31:09] Speaker 1: impact on the league right now. So let's take a
[31:12] Speaker 1: look at their current top 20 players in the league
[31:14] Speaker 1: this season, if we can, please. So they've got Jokic
[31:18] Speaker 1: holding down the top spot. followed by SGA in second,
[31:21] Speaker 1: Giannis in third, Luka in fourth, and Steph in the
[31:23] Speaker 1: fifth spot with Ant-Man, Tyrese Halliburton, Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson,
[31:26] Speaker 1: and Jason Tatum rounding out the top 10. Wimby's 11,
[31:29] Speaker 1: LeBron 12, then you got ADKD, Kawhi, Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Kat,
[31:37] Speaker 1: who we'll talk about a little later in the show,
[31:39] Speaker 1: Devin Booker, and Jalen Williams in the top 20. So
[31:43] Speaker 1: when you look at this opinion-based list based on the ringer,
[31:46] Speaker 1: their team of writers led by... Bill Simmons, amongst others.
[31:52] Speaker 1: Are you rolling with the ringers' top 20 players list
[31:55] Speaker 1: this season? This list was just updated, I believe, June 4th.
[31:57] Speaker 1: It has been updated periodically throughout the season. I ain't rolling.
[32:02] Speaker 1: Who's left out?
[32:03] Speaker 4: I don't know who left out. Jalen Brown just missed
[32:06] Speaker 4: the top 20. I ain't rolling with the list as is.
[32:11] Speaker 4: What sticks out to you about this list?
[32:13] Speaker 1: Number 14. Fuck out of here, man. Fuck out of here, bro. Seven. Seven.
[32:21] Speaker 1: Seven needs to be where a 14 is. So Tyrese
[32:25] Speaker 1: Halbert and Kevin Durant should fly, basically. I'm just saying,
[32:29] Speaker 1: if I would just change that or put him sixth
[32:35] Speaker 1: or fifth. Victor not a top ten player in the league?
[32:42] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell not in the top ten, in my opinion.
[32:46] Speaker 1: So I'm going to be real, this was a little
[32:47] Speaker 1: confusing to me. Some of these people have dealt with injury,
[32:49] Speaker 1: but when you just talk about... Kawhi Leonard is still
[32:51] Speaker 1: the top 10 player in this league. I don't give
[32:53] Speaker 1: a fuck what nobody say. Went healthy. Joel Embiid. Embiid,
[32:56] Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a second, but he finished 84th.
[32:59] Speaker 1: Excuse me? Yeah, that's a topic we will get to.
[33:01] Speaker 1: Because he didn't finish the season.
[33:04] Speaker 4: So this top 20, is this top 20 this upcoming
[33:07] Speaker 4: season or this last season?
[33:08] Speaker 1: No, this is based on the 2024-25 season. 84? Around
[33:11] Speaker 1: the clock updated list.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, just because they got him 84 on the list, yeah.
[33:18] Speaker 2: On one leg, he's still top 20.
[33:20] Speaker 1: Important to point out, opinion, not fact, the opinion of
[33:23] Speaker 1: the ringer, a publication. Is Tyrese Maxey better than Holland Burden?
[33:28] Speaker 2: Is he the better Tyrese? We've had that discussion before.
[33:30] Speaker 2: Is he the better Zero of them two? Who's the
[33:35] Speaker 2: better Zero, Gil? Maxie or Halliburton? See, you got the
[33:40] Speaker 2: jersey on.
[33:43] Speaker 1: And the throwback Pacers jacket. The matching shoes. Both different skills. Hmm.
[33:58] Speaker 1: So this is just the end of last year? So
[34:00] Speaker 1: this list was updated early June. It's been updated periodically
[34:04] Speaker 1: throughout the course of the season. Obviously, SGA, Tyrese Halbert,
[34:11] Speaker 1: and Jalen Williams, only active players on that list still
[34:15] Speaker 1: playing basketball currently this season. So you finished a full
[34:24] Speaker 1: basketball season. Mm-hmm. But Victor didn't, so it's... Okay, in theory,
[34:39] Speaker 1: just in theory, because it was this year, right?
[34:43] Speaker 4: Wouldn't all first-team players be the top 15?
[34:50] Speaker 1: That's what you would think. That was 100-person media panel's opinion.
[34:56] Speaker 1: Who would go with that kind of a logic? Who
[34:59] Speaker 1: would second-team All-NBA? Why would anybody go with that kind
[35:03] Speaker 1: of logic?
[35:04] Speaker 5: Second-team All-NBA number 12.
[35:09] Speaker 1: Can't be. Can't be. Not in the top 10? KD
[35:15] Speaker 1: and Bron not in the top 10? Bronny did not
[35:18] Speaker 1: crack the top 100 for the... Everybody in the chat
[35:20] Speaker 1: is asking. That's not... I had just... What was their criteria?
[35:24] Speaker 1: What were they basing off of? The best players this year?
[35:29] Speaker 4: According to their site, a year-round round-the-clock ranking of the
[35:32] Speaker 4: players making the biggest impact on the league. Biggest impact.
[35:35] Speaker 4: Biggest impact on the league right now. Impact on the league.
[35:38] Speaker 4: What the fuck does that mean? Brunson should be up
[35:41] Speaker 4: in front of Mitchell. What the fuck does that mean?
[35:44] Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell.
[35:46] Speaker 1: All-NBA first team this season, as a reminder, Giannis, SGA, Joker,
[35:50] Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, Donovan Mitchell. I believe the first four were
[35:53] Speaker 1: unanimous selections. Impact on the league. Second team is Andy
[35:59] Speaker 1: and LeBron.
[36:00] Speaker 5: That could be a little bit higher if that's included.
[36:03] Speaker 5: He had a good impact this year.
[36:05] Speaker 1: K did finish in the top 15 amongst the media opinionators.
[36:08] Speaker 1: Kevin Booker wouldn't be in there at all. Impact? Wouldn't
[36:12] Speaker 1: Victor be?
[36:13] Speaker 4: James Williams is not top 20 in the NBA right now, neither.
[36:17] Speaker 4: Wouldn't Victor be top 15? Five, at least, when you're
[36:22] Speaker 4: talking about impact. I don't want to take Evan Mobley out.
[36:25] Speaker 1: Offense, defense, I mean, it's just... I don't want to
[36:31] Speaker 1: take Carl out, either. Throw your ass over there and hush,
[36:34] Speaker 1: you Cleveland fan. We have multiple Cavs fans in the arena.
[36:38] Speaker 1: We can drop him down to 20. We're talking about
[36:40] Speaker 1: impact season? On the NBA season, that's what I said.
[36:46] Speaker 1: It's weird. Why? Why does y'all talk shit about Ja Morant?
[36:50] Speaker 1: They ain't got Ja on this list? Yeah. Where is
[36:53] Speaker 1: Ja ranked on this? So if you look at Hallie's trajectory,
[36:56] Speaker 1: he was ranked 26th in January, 19th at the end
[36:58] Speaker 1: of February, then 16th in the end of February, 16th, 19th,
[37:03] Speaker 1: now 7th. Yeah. So you can click on any of
[37:05] Speaker 1: the players on their list. It's interactive. It's a full timeline.
[37:08] Speaker 4: So Kawhi Taffer team missed most of the season, so
[37:12] Speaker 4: he didn't impact his team.
[37:13] Speaker 1: Nope. then it would have been Harden. Harden finished, I believe,
[37:18] Speaker 1: 30th on this list. A.D. though, how did A.D. get in?
[37:20] Speaker 4: So the guy who's 15 wasn't even a part of
[37:23] Speaker 4: the team's success.
[37:25] Speaker 1: Early on, but once he came back, he did help
[37:29] Speaker 1: guide them to the playoffs. The other guy, 15 spots
[37:33] Speaker 1: behind him. Who did all the heavy lifting. Yes, 15 spots.
[37:37] Speaker 1: That's crazy. Wouldn't Embiid be top? 10 then? Come on.
[37:41] Speaker 1: And beat 84?
[37:42] Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying? Wouldn't he be top 10? Because
[37:44] Speaker 4: obviously he didn't play, so we've seen what that season
[37:46] Speaker 4: looked like.
[37:47] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's impact. Absolutely. Yes. Yes, for sure. 1,000%. We
[37:53] Speaker 1: think the Sixers season would have been better had Embiid
[37:55] Speaker 1: played more. And the league. The league as a whole.
[38:00] Speaker 2: No, that there would be a fact, Josiah.
[38:03] Speaker 1: Okay.
[38:03] Speaker 2: If Joel Embiid played fucking 60 games for the Philadelphia 76ers,
[38:08] Speaker 2: they would have had a better season.
[38:09] Speaker 1: That is a fact. And I would agree with that.
[38:12] Speaker 1: Cutting him, like where his team was. That's what I'm saying.
[38:14] Speaker 1: He should be hired.
[38:15] Speaker 4: It's hard because it's the wording that they use. So
[38:19] Speaker 4: you're not saying the best players is the most impactful player.
[38:22] Speaker 1: For the whole season. For the whole season. Then why
[38:25] Speaker 1: wouldn't Cade be up there from what he did last year,
[38:26] Speaker 1: this year?
[38:27] Speaker 4: Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell from their season to this season.
[38:32] Speaker 1: I mean, if that's how they're doing it, I guess.
[38:36] Speaker 1: I don't know. Why would the Suns be in there? Right.
[38:39] Speaker 1: If you're talking about yourself. You can't not keep.
[38:42] Speaker 4: It's just a contradicting list on what happened this year.
[38:47] Speaker 1: Look at SGA second, MVP. He met the best record
[38:50] Speaker 1: in the league. I would say that.
[38:51] Speaker 4: I mean, you had the best record last year, so
[38:54] Speaker 4: if you want to put him second, okay.
[38:56] Speaker 1: But Nikola did average a triple, though. He did. So. Yeah,
[39:03] Speaker 1: first five. First five motherfuckers are still. I don't think
[39:05] Speaker 1: anybody's complaining about. What about Ant-Ant? You find with Luka
[39:09] Speaker 1: being in there, do you feel like he was impactful
[39:11] Speaker 1: this season? What was Ant-Ant? I don't know. He shouldn't
[39:14] Speaker 1: have been.
[39:15] Speaker 4: Because we're thinking, like, who's the best five versus most
[39:19] Speaker 4: impactful for the season.
[39:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking basketball. They're not. Yeah, yeah. Jalen Brunson,
[39:24] Speaker 1: you know, he can go up higher. He can go... eight, seven. Yeah,
[39:31] Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, like, for the season, Cade, Wimby. Cat.
[39:37] Speaker 4: I mean, we see what he is on the defensive
[39:39] Speaker 4: end when he's in, where they look when he's not playing.
[39:42] Speaker 1: So those are impacts of your season. Hmm. It's awesome.
[39:47] Speaker 1: All right, well, Let's talk a little bit more Embiid.
[39:51] Speaker 1: So questionable rankings on the list. The name of the
[39:53] Speaker 1: most notable would be Joel Embiid, who was ranked 84th.
[39:56] Speaker 1: Nuggets win Christian Brown, a spot ahead of him at 83rd.
[39:59] Speaker 1: Process's teammate Paul George also barely made the cut, getting
[40:02] Speaker 1: ranked 90th, which is one spot behind sixth man of
[40:05] Speaker 1: the year Peyton Pritchard. So should Embiid and PG feel
[40:09] Speaker 1: disrespected getting ranked as the 84th and 90th best players
[40:13] Speaker 1: in the league this season? No.
[40:17] Speaker 4: Because it's coming from people that ain't never played the game.
[40:19] Speaker 1: So, no. So, their opinion is, to them, should mean shit. So, but, yeah, no.
[40:31] Speaker 1: Who injured? Who cares?
[40:33] Speaker 4: They know what they are when they're healthy. So, I
[40:37] Speaker 4: wouldn't put too much emphasis on it. I don't care
[40:44] Speaker 4: which one you do, impactful, who's better. There's no way
[40:53] Speaker 4: that there's 83 people more impactful or better than Jordan B.
[40:58] Speaker 1: I mean, so yeah, he can complain.
[41:03] Speaker 4: Because even if you put him in the top 20,
[41:06] Speaker 4: no one's going to be.
[41:06] Speaker 1: Like, why is he there? Not one person, no matter
[41:11] Speaker 1: how you look at this list.
[41:14] Speaker 4: His impact on one leg, one bad foot, is still
[41:19] Speaker 4: more impactful than 50% of.
[41:22] Speaker 1: The people that's actually in front of him. Right, Christian
[41:27] Speaker 1: Brown's best, his best, his best game. His best game
[41:32] Speaker 1: for the season, Joel Embiid will get booed for. They'll
[41:36] Speaker 1: boo that man. He scored 25, 88, oh man, look, he.
[41:41] Speaker 4: Ain't even come play today. boo he's washed and that's
[41:46] Speaker 4: really yeah so this is this is the same thing
[41:54] Speaker 4: when Cole was ranked this is that same type of
[41:57] Speaker 4: list that impactful bullshit they just make.
[42:00] Speaker 2: Up When you look at the list and you see
[42:03] Speaker 2: a name, you just scan it, right? You look at
[42:07] Speaker 2: the top ten and you just scan the list and
[42:08] Speaker 2: you see a name that don't belong somewhere, you ball
[42:12] Speaker 2: the paper up to that motherfucker. You don't even pay
[42:15] Speaker 2: that shit no attention. That's what I do.
[42:17] Speaker 1: Who number four? Just now, right? I looked up there.
[42:21] Speaker 2: You got Kevin Durant. Your list shit to me from
[42:25] Speaker 2: that point on. Whoever you got in front of him
[42:27] Speaker 2: is what it is, but the fact that you got
[42:29] Speaker 2: him there.
[42:31] Speaker 1: Not serious.
[42:32] Speaker 2: I can't take it serious. Then the fact that you
[42:35] Speaker 2: got Joel Embiid. I didn't even get to 84. I
[42:37] Speaker 2: had a person that didn't even get to 83 and 84.
[42:41] Speaker 2: I had to throw Joel Embiid down the list. So
[42:44] Speaker 2: the fact that you got KD, I was like, ah.
[42:47] Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can name, first.
[42:52] Speaker 4: And last name, 83 motherfucking players.
[42:56] Speaker 1: In the league. In the league.
[42:58] Speaker 4: In the league.
[43:00] Speaker 1: First and last. First and last.
[43:02] Speaker 4: I mean, if we had to actually do this, Joel
[43:06] Speaker 4: Embiid will be somewhere in the top 15 to 20.
[43:09] Speaker 1: Yep.
[43:11] Speaker 4: That means there's 60 people. We would have to sit
[43:14] Speaker 4: there and just be like.
[43:15] Speaker 1: Oh, what about him? Oh, man. What's that nigga that
[43:19] Speaker 1: play on the. That's him. We'll knock that bitch out.
[43:22] Speaker 1: The average person? Not a chance. No, for sure. Yeah,
[43:26] Speaker 1: I mean, what do you say? But I wouldn't be
[43:27] Speaker 1: calling Joel Embiid 80-something. Hell no. Hell no. That's easy.
[43:31] Speaker 1: That's a layer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[43:32] Speaker 4: You get him off the list. One thing we're going
[43:35] Speaker 4: to do is we're going to start with every team. Yeah,
[43:36] Speaker 4: when you get to 84, that's when you start struggling.
[43:38] Speaker 1: The best players. Yeah, the best players. It's going to
[43:39] Speaker 1: be easy. It's going to be easy. Listen, when you
[43:41] Speaker 1: get to 84, that's when you start struggling. Yeah. 84, right?
[43:43] Speaker 1: You got him. Okay, him, then 85. What is that?
[43:47] Speaker 1: How you spell it? How you spell it? At the
[43:51] Speaker 1: end of the bench, you know that. What the? And
[43:53] Speaker 1: that's the problem. There's going to be bench dudes that's
[43:56] Speaker 1: in there like, PJ Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. PJ. Boom.
[44:02] Speaker 1: He's going to be in the top 40. We know him.
[44:07] Speaker 1: When you talk about impact, you look at him not
[44:09] Speaker 1: being there and seeing how trash the Sixers were and
[44:12] Speaker 1: that highlights and exemplifies the impact that he has for
[44:14] Speaker 1: that team. At least he didn't have any of his
[44:17] Speaker 1: teammates ahead of him. Well, No, no, no. I'm pretty
[44:22] Speaker 1: sure Max is going to be on that list. He's
[44:24] Speaker 1: got to be up there. He's got to be top 25.
[44:25] Speaker 1: He's got to be top 25. Top 39. Tyrese Maxey,
[44:26] Speaker 1: 39th on the list. Where is Derek White? Derek White, 38.
[44:37] Speaker 1: Tyrese Maxey, 39. Paul George is 90th. Okay, who's 37th?
[44:40] Speaker 5: So they got Paul and Embiid, 84, 90.
[44:45] Speaker 1: 37th is Franz Wagner. The way Paul played this year.
[44:49] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty sure he's going to be like,
[44:51] Speaker 1: I'm trying to give him grace.
[44:52] Speaker 4: I was trying to give him grace.
[44:55] Speaker 1: I started off rocky. I was trying to give him grace.
[44:57] Speaker 1: Put it in his face. He can sit there and say,
[44:59] Speaker 1: you know what? Okay. 90. For the season?
[45:02] Speaker 4: 90.
[45:02] Speaker 1: Ah, okay. All right. Then you got to go with that.
[45:07] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something on this one.
[45:09] Speaker 1: There's something on this one. Shit. Man, forget about me.
[45:11] Speaker 1: The ones you don't want to be is that 350, 355.
[45:14] Speaker 4: That's when you just.
[45:16] Speaker 1: Be like, ah, you know what? Just stop this bitch
[45:18] Speaker 1: at 100. Top 100. I don't want to know past 150.
[45:22] Speaker 1: I'm at the 101st player on the list. 101st player, like, damn.
[45:25] Speaker 1: All right. Like, are you just saying my name?
[45:31] Speaker 4: Because I know at this point you ain't put no
[45:33] Speaker 4: detail into it.
[45:35] Speaker 1: You just looking at the list name, him, yeah. Kyrie Irving,
[45:40] Speaker 1: 44th on the list, too, if you guys are interested.
[45:44] Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with it. I don't care
[45:47] Speaker 1: about it. I'm cool. Wait, 44? How he was... Yeah,
[45:53] Speaker 1: he was playing good up until he got hurt. That's
[45:55] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's what they did. They ain't watching basketball. Weird. 25-5-5.
[45:59] Speaker 4: They ain't watching basketball, bro. 25-5-5.
[46:06] Speaker 1: Holding the team down. They don't like them.
[46:10] Speaker 4: And Luka missed, what, 25 games early in the season?
[46:14] Speaker 4: Missed some time for the Lakers as well.
[46:16] Speaker 1: So we asked to chat, is 84th and 90th a
[46:19] Speaker 1: fair ranking for Embiid and PG? 48% of the chat
[46:23] Speaker 1: says yes, 52% of the chat says no. See, you
[46:26] Speaker 1: put them together. Yeah.
[46:27] Speaker 4: The yes is for Paul George.
[46:31] Speaker 1: We're uplifting. Yeah, you put them together. No, y'all dead wrong.
[46:36] Speaker 1: We in the club together. Ron and Bronny. Bump them
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[49:00] Speaker 1: Most definitely. I think we have a special guest pulling
[49:04] Speaker 1: up to the arena at this moment. Uh-oh. Let's get ready.
[49:10] Speaker 1: Hold on one second. He's making his first appearance in
[49:12] Speaker 1: the arena. You may recognize him as a finalist from
[49:15] Speaker 1: the first season of Rhythm and Flow on Netflix. Gone
[49:18] Speaker 1: on to make moves in the music game with an
[49:20] Speaker 1: assortment of freestyle singles, mixtapes, and albums. Please welcome rapper,
[49:24] Speaker 1: independent artist, Flawless Real Talk to the arena.
[49:27] Speaker 6: Yeah, rock it. What up, what up? What's good?
[49:34] Speaker 1: What's good? Been eating beans all his life. Locked in.
[49:37] Speaker 6: What's up?
[49:39] Speaker 1: What's up, brother? Appreciate you. Good to see y'all.
[49:46] Speaker 6: Y'all made me feel a little down.
[49:48] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[49:49] Speaker 1: You ain't just.
[49:50] Speaker 4: You already said.
[49:53] Speaker 1: Sit up straight.
[49:55] Speaker 6: Sit up straight up in here.
[49:58] Speaker 1: Yeah. For those who don't know, you're supposed to be
[50:00] Speaker 1: on the show a while back, but it ends up
[50:02] Speaker 1: being an unfortunate day here in the arena. I'm glad
[50:05] Speaker 1: to see y'all. That was toasty. That was toasty. That's
[50:09] Speaker 1: when young fellas trying to... Did you just call him toasty? Yeah,
[50:11] Speaker 1: that's when he was trying to cook himself. Yeah.
[50:15] Speaker 4: Thankfully, we can joke about it now.
[50:21] Speaker 1: Elijah doing well. Playing pickleball, basketball, paintballing, back.
[50:26] Speaker 6: Back is back. That's good.
[50:29] Speaker 1: Hot pocket. But, Floss, we appreciate you pulling up.
[50:31] Speaker 6: Thanks for having me, man. Thanks for having me.
[50:33] Speaker 1: First and foremost, we want to know, how has your
[50:34] Speaker 1: life changed since being on Rhythm and Flow?
[50:38] Speaker 12: It just made me more international, internationally known in the
[50:42] Speaker 12: music world, allowed me to maintain my independence more importantly,
[50:46] Speaker 12: because I was an independent artist coming up my whole
[50:48] Speaker 12: life and building my own fan base. So the Netflix thing,
[50:52] Speaker 12: really catapult me into a different stratosphere and allow me
[50:55] Speaker 12: to basically run my career like a business and start.
[50:58] Speaker 6: To really catapult myself independently.
[51:01] Speaker 12: Ownership is key for me in this music world, obviously
[51:04] Speaker 12: with so many artists getting screwed over and not being
[51:07] Speaker 12: able to own their masters and stuff like that. I
[51:09] Speaker 12: learned coming up and decided to maintain my independence and
[51:13] Speaker 12: that's why we're here, man.
[51:14] Speaker 6: We're just rocking. one day at a time.
[51:16] Speaker 1: For sure, bro. So from Rhode Island, smallest U.S. state
[51:20] Speaker 1: by size, place not officially known as the hip-hop hotbed.
[51:24] Speaker 1: How'd you get into the rap game, and when did
[51:25] Speaker 1: you know that you could do something special?
[51:28] Speaker 12: Early on, just using music as a coping mechanism to
[51:33] Speaker 12: get my emotions out, get my thoughts out on how
[51:35] Speaker 12: my life was going. Living in Rhode Island, a smaller
[51:38] Speaker 12: state from the hood, we didn't really have many opportunities.
[51:42] Speaker 12: I had a difficult life growing up, as I'm sure
[51:45] Speaker 12: many people have. I just used music as a coping
[51:48] Speaker 12: mechanism and decided to start taking off with it.
[51:51] Speaker 6: I moved to Atlanta when I was 18.
[51:54] Speaker 12: Because I knew that being in Rhode Island, I wasn't
[51:56] Speaker 12: really going to get many opportunities. So I moved down
[51:59] Speaker 12: there to really start jumping in all the contests and
[52:03] Speaker 12: all the competitions and killing all the rappers in the
[52:06] Speaker 12: freestyle battles and doing everything I needed to do to
[52:08] Speaker 12: just get myself in a position to just kind of
[52:10] Speaker 12: get to that next step. And I won a lot
[52:13] Speaker 12: of competitions down there. I got an opportunity to open
[52:15] Speaker 12: for Tech N9ne. He's an independent artist. as well, you know,
[52:19] Speaker 12: big independent artist. I learned about the touring game through
[52:21] Speaker 12: him and how to really get it out here without
[52:24] Speaker 12: necessarily needing a record deal or being on the radio,
[52:27] Speaker 12: you know, so that's how I kind of modeled my
[52:29] Speaker 12: career after. It's just independence, building things one day at
[52:32] Speaker 12: a time, keeping the ownership, and just kind of seeing
[52:34] Speaker 12: where I am in life and kind of using my
[52:38] Speaker 12: music as a gateway for other people with mental health
[52:41] Speaker 12: and changing my content as I grow as a person.
[52:45] Speaker 12: You know, because early on I was about freestyle battles
[52:47] Speaker 12: and killing rappers and now I'm more about spreading a
[52:50] Speaker 12: message and uplifting. mental health and stuff that people could
[52:54] Speaker 12: play in the gym. I also make music for God.
[52:57] Speaker 12: So it's like a lot of different things that I
[52:59] Speaker 12: do now that I did different from before because of
[53:01] Speaker 12: my growth and my elevation.
[53:02] Speaker 6: I don't think I would be able to do that
[53:04] Speaker 6: if I wasn't independent.
[53:05] Speaker 1: For sure. You talk about the freestyle battle rapping, having
[53:07] Speaker 1: to kill rappers. We all saw Rhythm and Flow.
[53:09] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[53:09] Speaker 1: About what you did to Beans. But how do you
[53:11] Speaker 1: just maintain, keep your cool when you got a rapper
[53:14] Speaker 1: on the other side throwing shots at you, dissing you,
[53:17] Speaker 1: trying to disrespect you?
[53:18] Speaker 12: Man, sometimes I do wish I did take a deal
[53:21] Speaker 12: because that Kendrick and Drake battle was something else. When
[53:24] Speaker 12: you got skills, when you got the talent to do
[53:28] Speaker 12: something but you don't have the recognition or the level
[53:32] Speaker 12: of fame that they have, I can't really jump into
[53:34] Speaker 12: that wall. But I know I'll definitely hold my own
[53:37] Speaker 12: in that.
[53:38] Speaker 6: I love it. I love the competition, the competitiveness.
[53:41] Speaker 12: It's just like basketball. We just saw Michael Beasley and
[53:46] Speaker 12: Stevenson go one-on-one. Even the NBA is competitive, you know
[53:49] Speaker 12: what I mean, with the one-on-ones and match-ups. It's the same.
[53:53] Speaker 12: It correlates the same with sports. It's a very competitive sport.
[53:57] Speaker 4: Basketball. Oh, is that the biggest deciding factor, right? keep
[54:07] Speaker 4: your independence or going with a big label to be
[54:09] Speaker 4: pushed right because.
[54:11] Speaker 1: You know when when you're talking about.
[54:12] Speaker 6: Just talent skill style.
[54:16] Speaker 4: If you're not being pushed to be the Kendrick and
[54:20] Speaker 4: Drake how does that how does that play against the
[54:23] Speaker 4: mind where you know you're you're good you can do
[54:26] Speaker 4: all of that but because of the independence you know
[54:28] Speaker 4: how sneaky they are up.
[54:29] Speaker 1: There yeah like.
[54:33] Speaker 12: It obviously does play with the ego, right? Because we
[54:35] Speaker 12: all have egos. We all know what we can do
[54:37] Speaker 12: and what.
[54:37] Speaker 6: We're capable of.
[54:39] Speaker 12: And it definitely does play on that when you know
[54:42] Speaker 12: you could be at a certain level, but For me,
[54:45] Speaker 12: freedom and my ability to control my schedule.
[54:48] Speaker 6: I have two small boys.
[54:50] Speaker 12: I'm real big on being present for my family. I
[54:54] Speaker 12: take that into account too. Being able to have my
[54:58] Speaker 12: freedom to own my music, to make all of the
[55:01] Speaker 12: money opposed to 10% of the money that comes in.
[55:04] Speaker 12: Drake is a great example. He's an anomaly because he generated...
[55:08] Speaker 12: $ 40 billion, $ 4 billion, you know what I mean, before
[55:12] Speaker 12: he got really paid out what he made, you know
[55:14] Speaker 12: what I mean?
[55:15] Speaker 6: So when you think about it like that, when you're
[55:18] Speaker 6: on a label or.
[55:19] Speaker 12: Somebody like him and you generate $ 4 billion, even if
[55:22] Speaker 12: you have $ 40 million, you might.
[55:24] Speaker 6: Be like, damn, I still need a little bit more
[55:26] Speaker 6: of that check, you know what I mean?
[55:28] Speaker 12: So for me, my freedom, being able to be there
[55:31] Speaker 12: for my family and control my own schedule, the ownership,
[55:34] Speaker 12: it was a better option for me, you know what
[55:38] Speaker 12: I mean, and where I am in life. But it
[55:39] Speaker 12: definitely does play on the ego, you know, knowing you
[55:42] Speaker 12: could be there, you know?
[55:43] Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. So, I've been in music
[55:46] Speaker 1: for 20 years, so.
[55:48] Speaker 6: Yeah, I see you dropping music videos on Instagram.
[55:51] Speaker 1: I'm like, okay. I see you getting busy.
[55:54] Speaker 5: But when I work with artists, I ask them two questions.
[55:57] Speaker 5: It's a two-fold question about independence and also having the machine.
[56:02] Speaker 1: So you ask the artist... What are you in this for? Yeah.
[56:05] Speaker 1: Do you want to be famous and make a lot
[56:07] Speaker 1: of money? Or do you want to be legendary?
[56:12] Speaker 5: And the difference is you go for the money, you
[56:16] Speaker 5: can be a one-hit wonder, you come in, everybody prays
[56:19] Speaker 5: your name, and out, you disappear.
[56:21] Speaker 12: Yeah, you're at the mercy of the people that are
[56:23] Speaker 12: controlling you in your career.
[56:25] Speaker 5: And then your legacy play is I'm not out here
[56:30] Speaker 5: making music for the clout.
[56:32] Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm making art. And it's being appreciated by the
[56:36] Speaker 1: up top.
[56:36] Speaker 5: So the machine I need, they'll give it to me
[56:40] Speaker 5: and let me keep my independence. Because I'm on a
[56:43] Speaker 5: different path.
[56:45] Speaker 1: I'm not just out here chasing the bread. And a
[56:47] Speaker 1: lot of artists are chasing the bread.
[56:48] Speaker 5: So what do you think about the difference between legend
[56:53] Speaker 5: and status?
[56:54] Speaker 6: I think they can both be one and the same.
[56:57] Speaker 12: I think if you can achieve legendary status at an
[57:00] Speaker 12: independent level, you know, that's... really, really doing something. I'm
[57:05] Speaker 12: opposed to Pete reaching legendary status like somebody who has
[57:07] Speaker 12: the machine.
[57:08] Speaker 1: Who has?
[57:08] Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Slim Thug.
[57:11] Speaker 12: A lot of down south rappers have gone platinum, you know, independently.
[57:16] Speaker 1: Master P still had, he did a... Yeah, he had
[57:19] Speaker 1: a part in it. He did a 90-10.
[57:21] Speaker 6: But let's go a little more recent, right?
[57:23] Speaker 1: Somebody like Russ. Russ is independent.
[57:25] Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Doing it at a grand scale.
[57:28] Speaker 1: But he's spending.
[57:29] Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, you gotta spend. No,
[57:31] Speaker 6: you gotta spend.
[57:31] Speaker 1: He's spending. He's spending big.
[57:33] Speaker 6: You've got to spend.
[57:34] Speaker 1: But he knows that the ROI.
[57:35] Speaker 6: If you're spending big, though, you're making big, right?
[57:37] Speaker 8: If you're spending $ 50, 000 a month.
[57:40] Speaker 1: He's not.
[57:40] Speaker 5: Taking the advance from the label, either. He's coming out
[57:43] Speaker 5: of his own pocket, so he recruits. But you've got
[57:46] Speaker 5: to have that, and that's why I asked the artist
[57:48] Speaker 5: up front. Which one you want to do?
[57:50] Speaker 12: Me personally, I go with like personal investors because you
[57:54] Speaker 12: go and you find investors that are willing to invest
[57:57] Speaker 12: in your dream, you know, that believe in what you're doing.
[57:59] Speaker 6: And that's how I've been able to get further is
[58:01] Speaker 6: through investors. You know what I mean?
[58:02] Speaker 12: Shout out to Vinny, you know, my partner, my business partner,
[58:05] Speaker 12: and being able to get that capital to kind of.
[58:08] Speaker 6: Get to that next step. You know what I mean?
[58:10] Speaker 12: And legendary status is something that is self-proclaimed in a
[58:14] Speaker 12: sense when you're independent because you don't really get all
[58:17] Speaker 12: that recognition, right? But for me, it's not really like
[58:20] Speaker 12: in my vision to be like legendary status. It's in
[58:22] Speaker 12: my vision to just maintain a business at this point
[58:24] Speaker 12: and grow every single day.
[58:26] Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying? Just like this is growing
[58:28] Speaker 6: every single day, you guys. You know what I mean?
[58:29] Speaker 6: It surpassed a million subscribers. You keep it going.
[58:31] Speaker 1: We did do that.
[58:32] Speaker 6: You know, that bag is right around the.
[58:34] Speaker 1: Corner, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully. We are looking
[58:37] Speaker 1: for it.
[58:38] Speaker 4: More of the traditional way, way back when you're basically
[58:41] Speaker 4: selling CDs out of your car, going up to.
[58:45] Speaker 1: The radio, paying him to put your shit on. Like,
[58:48] Speaker 1: how do you get through all of that?
[58:50] Speaker 12: It's relationships. Like, at this point, it's all relationships.
[58:53] Speaker 1: Because it's changed.
[58:54] Speaker 6: Because everything's changed.
[58:55] Speaker 1: Because I know it. Because I know I can.
[58:56] Speaker 2: A lot of DJs do clubs and strip clubs and places.
[58:59] Speaker 2: So you go there where they're accessible, right?
[59:02] Speaker 6: Everything's political.
[59:02] Speaker 1: And then they... See, that's the point. Give them a
[59:04] Speaker 1: couple hundred. Yeah, you got to give them a couple hundred.
[59:07] Speaker 6: Dollars, you'll see.
[59:08] Speaker 1: Throw this on, listen, you get your music played in
[59:10] Speaker 1: certain environments, it's going to.
[59:11] Speaker 6: No, that's a fact. And you make the wrong person mad,
[59:13] Speaker 6: you ain't going to get nothing, please. You ain't going
[59:15] Speaker 6: to move out.
[59:16] Speaker 4: So is it best to just have, as an independent artist,
[59:21] Speaker 4: like a street team more?
[59:22] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Where, like, you... That's more important. I'm paying a
[59:26] Speaker 1: stripper at the strip club to come out to my song. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Right?
[59:30] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Come out to get everybody.
[59:32] Speaker 6: You might, you might, I done bought DJ's pair of sneakers.
[59:34] Speaker 6: Show up with a pair of Jordans. Hey, what's up, man?
[59:36] Speaker 1: How you doing? Yeah, no, it's that. It's fun to
[59:38] Speaker 1: show you some love.
[59:39] Speaker 4: You know what I mean? That's more the marketing, like,
[59:42] Speaker 4: especially like TikTok. Because I guess, you know, you pay
[59:44] Speaker 4: TikTokers now.
[59:45] Speaker 12: Now with digital, we're talking about back in the day.
[59:48] Speaker 1: We were really outside with it. But it's still the same.
[59:52] Speaker 1: It's pay for play. Now you're paying influencers to pay
[59:57] Speaker 1: for TikTok. Everybody want to get away from the pay
[59:59] Speaker 1: for play because it's called payola.
[1:00:01] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:00:01] Speaker 5: But it's always pay to play because nobody wants to
[1:00:06] Speaker 5: do your shit.
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: If I don't like your shit, you be like, yo,
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: my shit's fire. And it's like, so? Take this $ 200.
[1:00:11] Speaker 5: All right, your shit is fire. This shit fire as hell.
[1:00:14] Speaker 5: I'm going to play it again if you got another $ 200.
[1:00:16] Speaker 6: That $ 100 going.
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: A long way, bro. That's $ 2, 000.
[1:00:19] Speaker 4: Now it's $ 2, 000 now, but it used to be that $ 100. Absolutely,
[1:00:27] Speaker 4: that used to go a long way. That $ 1, 000, you
[1:00:29] Speaker 4: give them, listen.
[1:00:30] Speaker 12: Yeah, that relationship is important when you're doing this. It's
[1:00:34] Speaker 12: big because you could, like I said, piss off the
[1:00:36] Speaker 12: wrong person and you ain't getting nothing.
[1:00:38] Speaker 6: They got the relationship.
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: As well, right? They got their relationship.
[1:00:42] Speaker 6: You know what I mean? I didn't go to the parties.
[1:00:45] Speaker 12: I wasn't at the party.
[1:00:48] Speaker 6: Maybe that's why I didn't get a deal. I wasn't
[1:00:49] Speaker 6: at the party. I wasn't lubed up.
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you want to. I don't think
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: you want to. I don't think you want to. Some
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: things are not worth it. You're a basketball fan, too, right?
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: Depends on where you sleep.
[1:01:06] Speaker 6: I see Gil rocking the paces today.
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: I don't know. Who's your squad? My squad?
[1:01:10] Speaker 6: I like the Lakers. I'm a LeBron fan. You know,
[1:01:13] Speaker 6: Luka all day. You know what I'm saying?
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: I love it. Play flawless music right now, please. Go
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: ahead and play it off.
[1:01:20] Speaker 6: Luka all day.
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: We're going to get right. We're going to get right.
[1:01:22] Speaker 6: We're going to get a big.
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: We're going to be in there. Luka yellow.
[1:01:26] Speaker 5: Did y'all niggas just gap up in front of me?
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: What the fuck is wrong with you, niggas?
[1:01:32] Speaker 6: I already know what you are. A Laker man.
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: A Laker hater. No.
[1:01:34] Speaker 6: Hey, you know what?
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: No? No.
[1:01:39] Speaker 5: He didn't tell us all this shit before, right? So
[1:01:42] Speaker 5: he hid all this shit we did last time.
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: He was smart. How do you listen to this all day?
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: We all know his favorite team. This one right here, no,
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: the one in the middle. We know who his favorite
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: team is. Rashad, who is your favorite team right now? Me? No,
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: don't say right now.
[1:01:58] Speaker 4: Me.
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: Your favorite team is you. Who's your favorite team for
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: the last 20 years? Who's his favorite team? The Yankees. Well,
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: who's your favorite basketball team currently? Uh, currently. Oh, yeah.
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: Indiana Fever. On the men's national basketball show.
[1:02:21] Speaker 6: I might start liking it first, though.
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: You're not a Knicks fan no more. Yeah, I was. Wait,
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: I thought you were Steve Whitby. I am.
[1:02:26] Speaker 6: Right now.
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: Game seven. Pacers. After that, we're free agents. Yeah, yeah.
[1:02:37] Speaker 12: I'm going for the Pacers, too. I want the Pacers
[1:02:39] Speaker 12: to win. I think Halliburton, though, he needs to get
[1:02:42] Speaker 12: more aggressive. No free throws this entire series.
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: Wild. Talk about it.
[1:02:46] Speaker 6: No free throws.
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: You said you know some basketball. You know some shit about.
[1:02:49] Speaker 6: Basketball, man.
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: I'm tuned in, man.
[1:02:51] Speaker 6: That's my second love.
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: Tell me what else you done seen, man. What the
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: fuck else do you need to do? Because that's them
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: so why are you getting no?
[1:02:59] Speaker 6: No free throws.
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk highly in the Pacers in a
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: little bit We got to talk about some other situations
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: going on So Kyrie Irving has had enough of the
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: disrespect that fellow, New Jersey native Carl Anthony Towns has
[1:03:10] Speaker 1: been getting from the basketball community Including some in the
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: sports media as well. So Kai seen the memes and
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: commentary stood up for cat There was not making fun
[1:03:21] Speaker 1: of my brother cat. It's over for that. It's a
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: fucking rap.
[1:03:23] Speaker 10: I I'm letting y'all know if you repost that shit
[1:03:27] Speaker 10: again or you meme them up, I'm attacking you.
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: Not like that physically in GTA, but I'm attacking you.
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: All right? I'm attacking you. Y'all got to leave Cat alone, okay?
[1:03:37] Speaker 10: Because y'all don't know what it's like to grow up
[1:03:41] Speaker 10: in Jersey and have all of these cultures that you're
[1:03:45] Speaker 10: a part of.
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: Trust me on that.
[1:03:47] Speaker 10: Jersey is literally 130 miles long.
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: It is a very, very small state. But when I
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: get back to my point, I'm going to explain this
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: to you. But I'm just saying, leave him alone, all right?
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: Leave our Jersey. Because he's Dominican. He's black.
[1:04:00] Speaker 10: He grew up in a certain area in Jersey, just
[1:04:03] Speaker 10: like me. And you've got to survive out here. And
[1:04:06] Speaker 10: you have many different demographics of people. So you've got
[1:04:10] Speaker 10: to survive out here, all right? I don't agree all
[1:04:12] Speaker 10: the time when he be changing up his tone sometimes.
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: I don't always agree and all that shit. You know
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: what I mean? That should be funny.
[1:04:20] Speaker 10: But on a serious note, he is a man, he's
[1:04:22] Speaker 10: my brother, and I protect him all the time.
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: There have been a lot of people coming at Cat, fans,
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: people in the media, people said he's built like a
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: WNBA player. Old bitch. A whole effing B-word.
[1:04:36] Speaker 4: Listen, I'm listening and I'm laughing inside because.
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: You're smiling on the outside too. He was like, yeah,
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: you know, he got to do this to survive. And
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: I'm just like, but that sounds like jail. Like, yeah,
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: you know. He had to do a couple of things
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: in there just to survive. That's all. Wait, wait, wait.
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: What the fuck did he have to do? Like, wait, no,
[1:04:56] Speaker 1: that's not how you're supposed to do that. You don't
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: know about life in New Jersey. Hey, you know, like Jersey,
[1:05:00] Speaker 1: you know, he had to survive these streets. It's the
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: Garden State, homie. Tell him that's the state we don't.
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: What's going on here? You don't got to take up
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: for no grown man. You ain't got to take up
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: for no grown man, bro. Let that man live.
[1:05:13] Speaker 6: You think he's going to stay in New York long?
[1:05:15] Speaker 12: Because I heard people were complaining about the way he
[1:05:18] Speaker 12: plays defense and things of that nature.
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, Gil's had some thoughts. I have a problem with
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: his defense. For sure.
[1:05:26] Speaker 6: Would you trade him for Giannis?
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
[1:05:32] Speaker 6: How old is he?
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: Of course you would.
[1:05:34] Speaker 4: 30.
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: 27. Oh, he's not 30 yet. He's 30. Cat?
[1:05:35] Speaker 6: He's 30, right?
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: No.
[1:05:35] Speaker 6: 29 years old, be 30, November 15th.
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's basically 30.
[1:05:37] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:05:45] Speaker 6: Yeah, I would trade him too.
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: But does Kyrie have a point saying that Cass Lander
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: is going too far? He did acknowledge that when he
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: switches tones up sometimes, he does find that to be.
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: It's not going too far. OK, the reason it's not
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: going too far because. You know, you've seen what's going
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: on on the internet right now. No, but that's why.
[1:05:59] Speaker 4: It's not going too far because we're just picking and
[1:06:02] Speaker 4: we're just making fun of him.
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: Right, we're just trolling him.
[1:06:05] Speaker 4: It's no different than when Chris Bosh was doing his
[1:06:08] Speaker 4: dumb shit.
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: With all the fucking, all that shit, nigga.
[1:06:12] Speaker 4: He actually played to the camera doing the dumb shit.
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: Is the camera looking at me? Gotcha. Now he'll start
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: doing that. This one is like we're going out.
[1:06:20] Speaker 4: Yes, we're going out of our way to sit there and.
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: Poke, but that's all it is. It's just, it's fun.
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: Is it passing the part of fun and being mean spirited?
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen some of the AI stuff. We've
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: seen some fake news coming out. Third grade teacher saying
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: you're being mean spirited. We've seen the video with him
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: doing the makeup.
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: Was that tattoo real that they put on that man?
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: He was doing magic. I'm going to just be honest
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: with you. The AI generated video of him. No, no.
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: Seeing him at the airport with double tanked up going
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: through the security check point. That's all AI shit, man. Okay,
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: but there's only AI right now. Just don't be sensitive.
[1:06:56] Speaker 4: The best thing about, I mean, the funny thing about
[1:06:58] Speaker 4: it is.
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: Most of us thought it was real. It just made sense, right? Yeah,
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: that's cat. I mean, it'll be over in three weeks.
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Get to twerking.
[1:07:09] Speaker 6: I mean, you know.
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: No, it's just... It's... You know what? Do a vote.
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: Do we think Cat has thigh tattoos? Just singular. Just one.
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: Not the full legs. Multiple thigh tattoos is fine. Just
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: one thigh tattoo. Just singular. Just like cinnamon. Just like cinnamon.
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: Just put that in the chat. We will ask the chat.
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: Hold on. Let me magically do it. This thing, right,
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: where you give.
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: The old saying, like, you give somebody an inch, they're
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: going to take a mile, right? It's that, right? He's
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: given whatever the material is during an interview or during
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: a game or whatever it is, there's something. So now people,
[1:07:58] Speaker 2: it's just like a fucking microscope now, right? He's on
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: a microscope now. Everybody's looking for the next cat meme
[1:08:05] Speaker 2: or for him to do something, right?
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: So they want to be the first one to put
[1:08:09] Speaker 1: it out.
[1:08:10] Speaker 2: So now he's reached that status to where people are
[1:08:15] Speaker 2: trying to create the next meme.
[1:08:16] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: Josiah. Welcome to New York. I don't do cat memes.
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: Memes and nightmares. I don't do cat memes. I don't
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: do cat memes. Memes and nightmares, but I'm just saying, though.
[1:08:23] Speaker 4: I know, but I talk about that. People are looking
[1:08:25] Speaker 4: out for the next one. So that's what it is nowadays.
[1:08:27] Speaker 4: Screaming all over.
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: It's just like when JaVale was playing the Shack and
[1:08:30] Speaker 1: the Fool. Yeah, Shack and the Fool.
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: So it's, if you keep giving people material, they're going
[1:08:36] Speaker 2: to keep making shit, do shit.
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: So that's just what it is. So.
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: Or not hopefully, this might make him more mindful of
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: his mannerisms and certain things he do. Not to give
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: people the material to fuck with him, but if this
[1:08:50] Speaker 2: is part of his program, it's going to continue to happen.
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: And Iba Kai re-acknowledged that some of the tone after
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: all that and those type of things. It is funny though.
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: He can't change. But Kyrie said it was funny. It's funny.
[1:09:01] Speaker 6: He just keeps doing it.
[1:09:04] Speaker 5: There's no reason to acknowledge it if he don't find
[1:09:06] Speaker 5: it to be a problem. It's not a problem for him.
[1:09:10] Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure he is. If it is, he should
[1:09:12] Speaker 5: address it. I don't need nobody else speaking for me
[1:09:15] Speaker 5: telling me nothing.
[1:09:16] Speaker 4: One.
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: Two, man, if I got a problem, I'm going to
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: address it. That's two. Three. Hey, man, look, the shit
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: is funny. Y'all keep putting me out there. I love it.
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: I love it. Just don't overstep.
[1:09:26] Speaker 5: Just don't overstep when you see me in public. Because
[1:09:30] Speaker 5: y'all going to hit me with the zesty shit and
[1:09:31] Speaker 5: double cake. Hey, listen, double cake.
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: Y'all hit me with that shit if y'all want to.
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: But at the same time, I got what you're saying yesterday.
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: Sticks and stones, all that kind of shit. Be tough-minded.
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: Know that this comes with the fucking territory, man. Motherfuckers,
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: they're going to get you. Like Kai. Like Kai, he
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: on stream.
[1:09:52] Speaker 4: Does Kai doing that help or hurt Kat? Because I
[1:09:54] Speaker 4: feel like you're saying it don't help.
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: Because when you acknowledge it, it just makes it worse.
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: And you're trying to tell me you're going to attack
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: me for attacking him? Bet. Now I get Kyrie Irving
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: talking to me. What the fuck is wrong with you, bro?
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah, we're going to troll the fuck
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: out of you and Kat now. Let's get him. They
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: don't understand the streaming universe. You don't play into that shit.
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: You ignore it. You got to keep it moving. But
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: is all the Zesty talk going a little bit overboard? No.
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: Is he talking Zesty?
[1:10:24] Speaker 4: What's so funny is he's Zesty, but it's not like
[1:10:27] Speaker 4: nobody's put him in the LGBT community. But Zesty's not
[1:10:29] Speaker 4: a bad thing. Everybody's good. I mean, it's too different.
[1:10:32] Speaker 4: That's why you got to look how it's played. We
[1:10:34] Speaker 4: know he has a girlfriend. We know who his girlfriend is.
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: We know that's it. We just making fun of how
[1:10:41] Speaker 1: he moves. That's it. We're not talking about his game, right?
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: We know he balls. That's not, we just, these little things,
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: the little passing. Yeah. That's it. We're not doing that
[1:10:53] Speaker 1: to Brunson. Honestly, they are doing it to Brunson, too.
[1:10:56] Speaker 6: Pretty much anybody on the internet, you have a bad game.
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: They're like a.
[1:10:58] Speaker 6: Stud, bro.
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: It was nasty. It was nasty. He said that. It
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: was you. That was you. That was Mero. Yeah, it
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: was Mero. But you laughed at it. You laughed at it.
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: You laughed out loud first. Mero did say that. That
[1:11:16] Speaker 1: shit had me crying, bro. You said it was like
[1:11:18] Speaker 1: a strong stud. A strong stud. So you look at
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: it like, damn. We're trying to watch the game, bro.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: All you need is a plaid little college shirt and
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: you're good. Maybe some Timbs. But any NBA player, you
[1:11:44] Speaker 1: have a bad game, they will find your comp on
[1:11:47] Speaker 1: the internet and that will become the main thing. Listen, man,
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: we're trying to enjoy stuff. Shit is funny, right? I mean,
[1:11:54] Speaker 1: it's the best way to do it is just Have
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: fun with it.
[1:11:57] Speaker 4: I mean.
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: Clap back! Clap back! Everybody got jokes now. That's the
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: funny part about life.
[1:12:02] Speaker 6: I think that's why he was trying to sound New York, though.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:12:04] Speaker 6: He was like, yeah, you know, have.
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: A great game. Yeah. Come down to the Dykeman.
[1:12:08] Speaker 6: Come down here, Rucker Park.
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: Rucker Park. Rucker Park. You know what I'm saying? No,
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: he used Rucker. I thought he used Dykeman. Did he
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: say Dykeman? I don't know. No, I think he said Dykeman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: Go to the Dykeman, you know what I'm saying? And
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, bro.
[1:12:19] Speaker 6: It's Dominican grandmother birthday today.
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:12:22] Speaker 6: Or Dominican grandmother's day today.
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: But he's talking to people. He talking to the people. Like,
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: how you from New York didn't settle in New York?
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: That's just the bad part.
[1:12:29] Speaker 4: He settled more in New York than New Yorkers.
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: When he started.
[1:12:32] Speaker 6: Changing, now everybody getting on that.
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[1:12:35] Speaker 6: So he kind of can't.
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: Win right now. He can't win, man. He can't win, man. Like,
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: we just picking you.
[1:12:41] Speaker 4: All right?
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: You can't. We're just picking you, bro. That's it. Just
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: let it go.
[1:12:45] Speaker 6: It's your time.
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: All right?
[1:12:46] Speaker 4: Just get your 25 and 10.
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: Win your championship. He's paying his niggas. We're going to
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: be paying attention to how you hold the trophy. All that.
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: How you drink your bottle. They did it to Chris Bosh,
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: they're going to do it to you. We know you
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: won the championship. You start pouring the drink on you,
[1:12:59] Speaker 1: we're going to laugh. Knowing his state from internet slander,
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: I believe, is the moral of this. But let's keep
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: this thing moving. Talk a little bit more about the Knicks.
[1:13:06] Speaker 1: So after leading the Knicks to their first conference finals
[1:13:08] Speaker 1: appearance in 25 years, Tom Thibodeau looking for a job.
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: But the former Knicks coach took some time to thank
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: his former team, coaches, and fans with an ad in
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: the New York Times, which he also posted on his
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: recently created Twitter account. So let's take a look at
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: what Thibs had to say. He said, to the best
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: city in the world with the best fans in the world,
[1:13:23] Speaker 1: thank you. When I was hired in 2020, I said
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: this was my dream job. I am grateful that dreams
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: became a reality. Thank you to our players and coaching
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: staff who gave everything they had and to everyone who
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: makes this franchise special. Proud of everything we accomplished together,
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: including four playoff appearances and this year's run of the
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: EFRA Conference Finals, our first in 25 years. And to
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: the fans, thank you for believing in me and embracing
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: me from day one. Watching you support our team and
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: seeing the Garden ignite with that incomparable Knicks energy is
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: something I will never forget. So it should be pointed
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: out that Tibbs' message did not contain any direct mentions
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: of owner James Dolan or the front office led by
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: Leon Rose. But do you respect Tibbs' classy gesture after
[1:13:59] Speaker 1: getting fired by the Knicks? That's why they hired him
[1:14:03] Speaker 1: in the first place. Good dude. Had a good run.
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: Thinking the city and the fans is not the team. Right?
[1:14:14] Speaker 2: I'm saying but the ownership and it's not them. I'm
[1:14:19] Speaker 2: saying the players, the fans and the people of New
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: York are not those individuals.
[1:14:24] Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it was.
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: Wouldn't expect anything different from a good run you had
[1:14:30] Speaker 2: in that kind of a city and the love that
[1:14:33] Speaker 2: he probably received in the streets from the fans before
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: they lost was probably unmatched.
[1:14:39] Speaker 4: It seemed like, man, narratives.
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: Coach is fired.
[1:14:48] Speaker 4: You know, the narrative of he didn't trust his bench,
[1:14:54] Speaker 4: he's playing his guys too hard when they did lose
[1:14:56] Speaker 4: a game, right? Oh, it's because they're tired. Like the
[1:14:59] Speaker 4: narrative of he didn't trust the rest of his bench
[1:15:04] Speaker 4: is more of what got him looked at in a
[1:15:09] Speaker 4: disrespectful way and nobody really thought about like the totality
[1:15:13] Speaker 4: of what he did for the season, right? how he
[1:15:17] Speaker 4: did play this small roster, and what he did last
[1:15:19] Speaker 4: year without a healthy team, and then what he did
[1:15:25] Speaker 4: this year. So, I mean, he is a winning coach.
[1:15:30] Speaker 4: He knows how to win. He's proved it. It might
[1:15:32] Speaker 4: not be the style that you like, that he's trusting 10,
[1:15:37] Speaker 4: 15 people, but the people that he do put out
[1:15:40] Speaker 4: there understand their job and duty, and they're winning with it.
[1:15:43] Speaker 4: So I'm pretty sure he'll get another job.
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking I'm probably going to have the job.
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: We talked about it on the couch when the firing
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: first went down. But after all the good he did
[1:15:50] Speaker 1: in New York helping.
[1:15:51] Speaker 4: Revitalize the franchise, first Eastern Conference Finals appearance in 25 years,
[1:15:55] Speaker 4: are we so sure still that the Knicks should have
[1:15:57] Speaker 4: parted ways with Tibbs?
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: So this is my thing.
[1:16:01] Speaker 2: We don't know the conversations that's had between head coach
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: and front office, right? I don't know if I told
[1:16:14] Speaker 2: you all this before, but I think I have. I
[1:16:16] Speaker 2: was in New York when they fired Fizdale, right? I
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: was in the building about to meet with them about
[1:16:23] Speaker 2: a job when they fired this man. Man conducted practice,
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: fired this man right out of practice, right? Let this
[1:16:30] Speaker 2: man talk to.
[1:16:30] Speaker 1: The media and fired him. And I saw it go
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: across the bottom line on ESPN. Like, oh, shit, they, whoa, right?
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: So decisions are made that Dolan and front line is
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: just what they're doing, right?
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: They're making these decisions and whether you have success or not,
[1:16:58] Speaker 2: it doesn't calculate for them, I don't think. Conversations they've
[1:17:04] Speaker 2: had on playing certain guys, not playing these guys, we
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: don't know, right? Tips might have been like, this is
[1:17:10] Speaker 2: the way I'm going to do it and You're going
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: to fire me the way it goes, so I'm going
[1:17:14] Speaker 2: to do it my way. And I think he is
[1:17:16] Speaker 2: that kind of a guy. He's going to stand on
[1:17:18] Speaker 2: what's been successful for him. And that might be what
[1:17:21] Speaker 2: cost him his job, I think, ultimately.
[1:17:25] Speaker 12: I think if you fire somebody like him, you've got
[1:17:27] Speaker 12: to have somebody else lined up.
[1:17:29] Speaker 6: You might want to hire.
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: Oh, they don't. They don't. We're going to talk about that.
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[1:17:36] Speaker 12: You got to have. Well, let me say you got to, right?
[1:17:39] Speaker 12: Because I think that you're right. The narrative is look
[1:17:43] Speaker 12: at the Denver coach, Mike Malone, going, right?
[1:17:46] Speaker 6: Like, these are good coaches. And they just firing these
[1:17:50] Speaker 6: coaches left and right.
[1:17:52] Speaker 2: Because they're stuck in a way. Like, they've been successful
[1:17:55] Speaker 2: a certain way.
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: And....
[1:17:59] Speaker 2: When you're asking me to deviate from that, it's tough
[1:18:03] Speaker 2: for them dudes, right? They've been built on a certain
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: kind of thing and they, and it's, they're not going,
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: so I'm not one of these young coaches. Mike Malone
[1:18:11] Speaker 2: got a championship. Tom Thibodeau didn't have good runs. Like,
[1:18:14] Speaker 2: so you're not going, I know what I need to
[1:18:17] Speaker 2: do to be successful as a coach, right? So as
[1:18:20] Speaker 2: Mike Malone proved it and Tom Thibodeau proved it, you're
[1:18:23] Speaker 2: going to fire me anyway.
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: So I might as well do it my way.
[1:18:28] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:18:30] Speaker 2: Told Mike Woodson this. Writing on the wall, bro. You
[1:18:35] Speaker 2: might as well play with the fuck you want to play, dog.
[1:18:37] Speaker 2: Went right in his office and told him that. How
[1:18:40] Speaker 2: much time did we give him?
[1:18:42] Speaker 1: Who? Our coach. Which coach? So, Tim, five seasons with
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: the Knicks. It just depends on to do what, though. So,
[1:18:48] Speaker 1: it depends. No, no. no, no, no. Everybody not trying
[1:18:51] Speaker 1: to win. I know that. Everybody not trying to win championships.
[1:18:53] Speaker 5: I'm not trying to place the conversation in a certain position.
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand how long do you got? How
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: long do you got? We hired you in 2020. It's 2025.
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: You was with Chicago.
[1:19:07] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: How long do you have?
[1:19:10] Speaker 4: Where's your program? Where's your team? If I said you're
[1:19:13] Speaker 4: going to have me for five years, what are you expecting?
[1:19:16] Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure there's nobody in the Knicks organization that
[1:19:19] Speaker 4: said he's in conference finals.
[1:19:20] Speaker 5: In five years, they're all championships. I'll give you a timeline.
[1:19:23] Speaker 5: Let me tell you why this is important. 2020, Leon Rose,
[1:19:28] Speaker 5: William Wesley came in for the Knicks front office.
[1:19:31] Speaker 1: They took over. Immediately, who did they hire? Tom Thibodeau.
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: That was their guy that they wanted to choose to
[1:19:39] Speaker 1: build around. They just fired him. Tom's up. Okay. Tom's up, Tom.
[1:19:45] Speaker 6: So five years.
[1:19:46] Speaker 1: Five years. And could it have been last year? Maybe.
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: But I'm saying this is the thing, right?
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: When you are trending, right, a certain direction, and you
[1:20:01] Speaker 2: haven't won in lower, since, you haven't won a championship
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: since 1973. And you've been shuffling coaches in and out
[1:20:16] Speaker 2: of that place consistently since I was in the NBA
[1:20:23] Speaker 2: until now. My 15 years, and I've been out of
[1:20:25] Speaker 2: the league fucking 10 years, it's been a long time.
[1:20:31] Speaker 2: You have a guy that you know what he built
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: on and what he needs in order to be successful.
[1:20:38] Speaker 2: He's proven it to you. What he needs for his
[1:20:40] Speaker 2: roster to be successful. And to your point, like, y'all
[1:20:45] Speaker 2: let this narrative get in the way of that success. Like,
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: Eastern Conference final, like, y'all a piece away or a
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: trust away from, like, this is what you are.
[1:20:57] Speaker 4: You're away from, like, this whole thing. Now you're out
[1:21:00] Speaker 4: here trying to poach other teams' coaches.
[1:21:03] Speaker 1: You know why? Right?
[1:21:04] Speaker 2: Now you're trying to ask for permission to interview these people.
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: When you had a successful guy. But you just beat
[1:21:13] Speaker 1: the Celtics.
[1:21:14] Speaker 5: Their decision-making is coming from this guy is making the
[1:21:20] Speaker 5: wrong mistakes. We got the team. We got the pieces.
[1:21:25] Speaker 5: Look at what he's doing in crunch time. Look at
[1:21:28] Speaker 5: the decisions he's making as a coach.
[1:21:30] Speaker 1: Look at the defensive situations, distract, everything he's doing.
[1:21:33] Speaker 5: I know they're upstairs. They're like the players in the coaches,
[1:21:37] Speaker 5: assistant coaches are complaining about him not adjusting. That's like
[1:21:41] Speaker 5: Doc Rivers. You refuse to adjust and we keep telling
[1:21:44] Speaker 5: you to adjust and you don't want to listen to us.
[1:21:47] Speaker 5: We gave you five years and now we lost this
[1:21:50] Speaker 5: situation because the team just ain't buying in no more
[1:21:53] Speaker 5: like they used to. We need some fresh blood in here.
[1:21:58] Speaker 12: How do you feel about getting a coach that just
[1:22:00] Speaker 12: got fired from another team?
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the Mike Malone shit.
[1:22:03] Speaker 6: Yeah, like, how does that, like, you know what I mean? Yeah.
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: You don't even think about it. You know what I mean?
[1:22:09] Speaker 6: You don't think about it?
[1:22:10] Speaker 1: We got better players over here.
[1:22:12] Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
[1:22:14] Speaker 1: We got better players over here. No! Is it that easy? Yeah, man. Fuck!
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: Like getting a new girl, man. Yo, he left me
[1:22:22] Speaker 1: with the phone over here. Phone over here. You know
[1:22:25] Speaker 1: what I mean? Girl, why? Yeah. You available? You know, hey.
[1:22:28] Speaker 4: I'll find out why you got the old saying, one
[1:22:31] Speaker 4: man's trash.
[1:22:32] Speaker 1: Another man's trash.
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about? So, hey, they don't
[1:22:35] Speaker 2: care why you got fired. We're going to see how
[1:22:37] Speaker 2: this thing.
[1:22:38] Speaker 1: Work over here. It's this weird thing that's going on.
[1:22:42] Speaker 1: And a.
[1:22:44] Speaker 4: Lot of coaches will be getting fired. It's trending because
[1:22:50] Speaker 4: they're bumping head with nerds. They're not bumping heads with
[1:22:56] Speaker 4: basketball knowledge, right? So you got a Tibbs, like a Malone,
[1:23:03] Speaker 4: where the people above that's telling him this is who
[1:23:08] Speaker 4: they need to put.
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: They're going off analytics.
[1:23:11] Speaker 4: It's the analytics, the business people that came into the
[1:23:14] Speaker 4: game and said.
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: Hey, we need to shoot more threes.
[1:23:17] Speaker 4: We need to shoot 43s, 53s again because this is
[1:23:19] Speaker 4: how it's done.
[1:23:20] Speaker 1: And he's sitting there like, hey, man, I'm trying to
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: coach my team. I don't care what Boston's doing. I
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: don't have Boston's team. I have this team. I'm trying
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: to coach.
[1:23:30] Speaker 4: And that's where this big feud is going. It's the
[1:23:33] Speaker 4: analytic people that's upstairs trying to tell these coaches how
[1:23:38] Speaker 4: to coach the team. And that's the real problem. The
[1:23:42] Speaker 4: people who say, hey, you're hired or fired, they're not
[1:23:46] Speaker 4: in it for basketball. They're just looking at a piece
[1:23:47] Speaker 4: of paper that's telling you. But is Tibbs the most
[1:23:53] Speaker 4: successful coach since Pat Riley?
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: Yes. In New York? Back to back 51 seasons.
[1:24:00] Speaker 6: Back to back for the first time.
[1:24:02] Speaker 1: Pat Rodney didn't get fired, right? He left. I think
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: he got traded to the Heat, if I'm not mistaken. Oh,
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: he got traded. You could trade a coach? Because he
[1:24:08] Speaker 1: wanted to go, right? Took the president's job with the Heat.
[1:24:14] Speaker 6: I never knew you could trade a coach.
[1:24:17] Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out where does Nix, where do
[1:24:19] Speaker 4: you go from here? What is the expectations on the
[1:24:22] Speaker 4: next guy who's coming in?
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: So let's get to that. Let's get to that point.
[1:24:26] Speaker 1: So we asked the chat, will Nix regret firing Tibbs? 65%
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: of the chat says yes. So Nix are active in
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: their coaching search right now. So far leaving much to
[1:24:33] Speaker 1: be desired. So New York requested interviews with Rockets coach
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: Emei Adoka, Wolves coach Chris Finch, and Mavs coach Jason Kidd.
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: Each of those requests were denied by the team. I
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: know what they're doing. I know what they're doing. I
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: love it. I love it. They shake your shit up.
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: They're trying to shake shit up. They shake your shit up.
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: But all those gentlemen under contract with their current team.
[1:24:52] Speaker 6: It don't matter.
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: Current team said no. We can trade for the coach.
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: Just calling, just calling, fucking with people.
[1:24:59] Speaker 6: Yeah, just fucking with them.
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: None of them said so. So Jason Kidd was speculated
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: to be their top candidate. They asked the Mavs for
[1:25:06] Speaker 1: an interview with Jason Kidd. The Mavs said no, thank you.
[1:25:08] Speaker 6: Yeah, if you say yes, then you might as well
[1:25:10] Speaker 6: shit me up.
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: What you mean? Y'all don't know what's going on over here?
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: Nico said no, brother. Huh? We already made one trade.
[1:25:15] Speaker 1: We good. Call Chauncey up over there in Portland and
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: get Chauncey over in New York. He might have some
[1:25:21] Speaker 1: better success. So, question for y'all. Are the Knicks playing
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: themselves with all these rejections in their culture? Are these
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: rejections extremely public? Yes. Yeah.
[1:25:33] Speaker 4: They play themselves and they're playing themselves some more because
[1:25:38] Speaker 4: they're missing one element and they're missing the fan base
[1:25:43] Speaker 4: of the Knicks. And what happens when you get a
[1:25:48] Speaker 4: new coach next year and y'all start off bad? You
[1:25:54] Speaker 4: really think the New York fan base that's been watching winning,
[1:26:00] Speaker 4: that's been watching winning for the last few years.
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: And got excited about basketball.
[1:26:07] Speaker 4: Is going to sit back and let that team start back.
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: They're going to blame the coach. The coach himself. They're
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: not going to pay.
[1:26:13] Speaker 4: Attention to, like, the East got better and everybody got better.
[1:26:16] Speaker 1: No, they're going, what are we doing? This is what
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: we was doing when Tibbs was here. Boom, motherfucker. They're
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: going to boo the team out of the building.
[1:26:23] Speaker 5: But nothing changes because it's still New York and they're
[1:26:26] Speaker 5: still going to show up.
[1:26:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going to show up. They're going to believe
[1:26:30] Speaker 4: and dream. They're going to show up and boo.
[1:26:32] Speaker 1: They paid their money. They're going to boo them up.
[1:26:34] Speaker 4: New York fans been New York fans, regardless of who
[1:26:37] Speaker 4: the coach is.
[1:26:37] Speaker 1: But Knicks fans turned up the last two seasons. We
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: saw it this year, taking over 7th Avenue, attacking Tyrese
[1:26:43] Speaker 1: Halliburton fans on the street. It's a progression. It's a progression.
[1:26:46] Speaker 1: Climbing billboards. Grass ain't always greener.
[1:26:48] Speaker 4: But when you lose and you come up short, the
[1:26:51] Speaker 4: fans are just as mad.
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: Like, if you come up short and then you not get.
[1:26:55] Speaker 6: There, they feel the same. Yeah, but now the expectation
[1:26:57] Speaker 6: is there. You better get to there.
[1:26:58] Speaker 12: With Tatum missing most of next year, too, they got
[1:27:01] Speaker 12: to make it there again.
[1:27:02] Speaker 1: The expectation was there in 1999.
[1:27:06] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:27:06] Speaker 6: So you're talking about 20 years before.
[1:27:08] Speaker 1: They even began?
[1:27:09] Speaker 5: Expectation was there before. They ain't go riot the streets
[1:27:12] Speaker 5: for 20 years. It's just like we the Knicks.
[1:27:15] Speaker 1: Fuck it. We just can't get there. Nah, they just
[1:27:17] Speaker 1: kept firing every coach ever since then. Can't get there.
[1:27:20] Speaker 5: This is nothing but another little step in being a
[1:27:23] Speaker 5: New York Knick. But if you get this next coach,
[1:27:25] Speaker 5: like he's saying, and they do do something.
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: They up there. And they do do something. The only
[1:27:30] Speaker 1: way to do something. That's what I said. They got
[1:27:33] Speaker 1: to win it. They have to win it.
[1:27:35] Speaker 4: They are up there in the most coaches and players
[1:27:39] Speaker 4: that came through that organization in the last 20 years.
[1:27:42] Speaker 1: They have to be up there.
[1:27:43] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:27:44] Speaker 1: Like. Top five. Coaches and players. But it's the biggest
[1:27:48] Speaker 1: market though, right? Coaches and players, bro. Wouldn't they? I mean,
[1:27:51] Speaker 1: Lakers got to be a dead motherfucker too. No, no, no.
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: Phil Jackson held it down for a while. Like coaches
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: and players.
[1:27:56] Speaker 5: But after Phil, it was like seven coaches.
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: Sons have had a coaching carousel going on. Yes. But
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: you look at this Knicks while they're not taking this victory,
[1:28:06] Speaker 1: they're They're excited about this Eastern Conference final. Like I said,
[1:28:09] Speaker 1: first time in 25 years. The next coach that comes
[1:28:12] Speaker 1: in is going to have an immense amount of pressure,
[1:28:13] Speaker 1: and it's got to be a strong enough name. Mike
[1:28:16] Speaker 1: Malone probably at this point. I don't give a fuck
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: who it is. I'm just saying whoever comes in got
[1:28:20] Speaker 1: to have a proven track record to get this team excited,
[1:28:21] Speaker 1: and they're going to have so much expectation on them.
[1:28:24] Speaker 4: They just have to get it done. They need somebody offensive-minded.
[1:28:26] Speaker 4: They got to run a different offense for one.
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: Yeah. And good luck with that for two.
[1:28:33] Speaker 4: Because– Changing them, changing their offense, get it away from
[1:28:38] Speaker 4: Brunson and try to.
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: Make him move around.
[1:28:40] Speaker 4: That's going to be different.
[1:28:42] Speaker 2: So just imagine they did bring Michael Malone in there, right?
[1:28:46] Speaker 2: And he did try to run that style of offense
[1:28:49] Speaker 2: that he ran with Nicola. Some degree of it. I
[1:28:52] Speaker 2: ain't saying it has to be that, but some degree
[1:28:53] Speaker 2: of it. That changes Brunson. That changes who Jalen Brunson is.
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: I don't believe that's who Jalen Brunson is.
[1:29:03] Speaker 5: I don't believe that what we're seeing is Jalen Brunson
[1:29:06] Speaker 5: in his, this is who I am. He's been given
[1:29:09] Speaker 5: a role, and I think he's been thriving in that role.
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: By Tibbs. Yes. Think about Dallas. Think about Dallas. That
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: wasn't his role in Dallas.
[1:29:17] Speaker 5: He came to New York, and they're like, Tibbs, look,
[1:29:20] Speaker 5: we're going to do this with you. And it carried
[1:29:22] Speaker 5: over to the second season. Now we think that this
[1:29:24] Speaker 5: is Brunson's offense. This is what he does, one-on-one, blah, blah, blah.
[1:29:28] Speaker 5: I don't think that's it. I think he can adjust.
[1:29:30] Speaker 5: I think he can do some other shit. I think
[1:29:32] Speaker 5: that was just his priority.
[1:29:34] Speaker 1: So how does he move off the ball?
[1:29:38] Speaker 5: Right now, because the offense wasn't a move-off-the-ball offense. He's
[1:29:40] Speaker 5: been off the ball before.
[1:29:41] Speaker 1: There was. That's how he got his shit, off the bench,
[1:29:46] Speaker 1: off the ball.
[1:29:47] Speaker 12: He would have never beat the Jalen Brothers of the
[1:29:49] Speaker 12: Indians today if he would have stayed in Dallas.
[1:29:51] Speaker 1: But he would have been someone different. He would have
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: been someone.
[1:29:54] Speaker 6: Yeah, a role player.
[1:29:54] Speaker 1: No. He could still be a star because he's good.
[1:29:57] Speaker 6: Waiting for Luka to kick it.
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: He's good. That's all it is.
[1:29:59] Speaker 4: Sit in the corner, wait for Luka to get it,
[1:30:01] Speaker 4: then when he got it, play one-on-one.
[1:30:03] Speaker 5: That was the... He was in pick and roll. He's
[1:30:05] Speaker 5: a pick and roll player. What is he doing now?
[1:30:08] Speaker 1: He's going one-on-one.
[1:30:09] Speaker 4: No, his whole thing is pick a role to try
[1:30:11] Speaker 4: to get somebody he don't like on him to then
[1:30:13] Speaker 4: go one-on-one.
[1:30:14] Speaker 1: But looking at this Knicks squad, do we see more
[1:30:16] Speaker 1: shakeups coming? Obviously, this is setting up to be a
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: very interesting summer. They got a solid roster.
[1:30:21] Speaker 2: Unless somebody leaves or they make a trade, but they
[1:30:24] Speaker 2: got a solid roster. But a different coach and different offense,
[1:30:26] Speaker 2: we don't.
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: Know how it's going to look. Yeah. Right? But I'm
[1:30:28] Speaker 1: just saying with this.
[1:30:30] Speaker 4: Listen, if you was going to fire Tibbs, you should
[1:30:33] Speaker 4: have just held on to him. First 10, 15 games
[1:30:37] Speaker 4: of the season. And then fire them then. Motherfuckers start
[1:30:41] Speaker 4: off this season 0-2.
[1:30:43] Speaker 1: Fire! Fire!
[1:30:43] Speaker 6: Woo!
[1:30:44] Speaker 1: Woo, Lord.
[1:30:45] Speaker 4: All right, let's bring somebody else in. Like, we already
[1:30:48] Speaker 4: signed that contract. But it's easier then because you got
[1:30:52] Speaker 4: a reason to.
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: Here. Eastern Conference Finals. Eastern Conference Finals.
[1:30:57] Speaker 5: It's harder than if we start the season next year
[1:30:59] Speaker 5: and we fire him at the two games, we have
[1:31:01] Speaker 5: to now implement a whole new shit during the season.
[1:31:04] Speaker 5: Get this man out of here now so we can
[1:31:06] Speaker 5: fucking focus on the summer. And have these new coaches
[1:31:09] Speaker 5: come in and not have a discrepancy at the beginning
[1:31:11] Speaker 5: of the season and give them a reason to hate
[1:31:13] Speaker 5: this nigga. Give us a new coach, let him implement
[1:31:16] Speaker 5: his guy, let him pick his players, and let's start fresh.
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: Okay, but now they start owing to that new coach.
[1:31:21] Speaker 1: It's the same.
[1:31:22] Speaker 2: Whoever gets the job, this is his team. The team
[1:31:25] Speaker 2: that went to the Eastern Conference Finals, this is the team.
[1:31:29] Speaker 2: So whoever it is.
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: You don't see them making any moves. I wouldn't.
[1:31:34] Speaker 4: The difference is, it's not like this is Golden State
[1:31:37] Speaker 4: where you had Mark Jackson, right, getting ready to hit
[1:31:42] Speaker 4: the bubble.
[1:31:43] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:31:43] Speaker 4: And, you know, before he exploded, Steve Kerr came in
[1:31:47] Speaker 4: and rolled that wave. This wave already hit. We see
[1:31:51] Speaker 4: who they are. It don't matter who the coach is.
[1:31:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's what he might be fired in two years. Yeah,
[1:32:00] Speaker 1: could be for whoever the new goal. But it's a
[1:32:03] Speaker 1: fresh start because we've had this guy. It's insubordinate. It's insubordinate.
[1:32:10] Speaker 1: He don't be listening. But it's winning. It is winning.
[1:32:13] Speaker 4: But the players, but you know, so this is the thing, right?
[1:32:15] Speaker 4: When you have a, it's the Nate McMillan thing, right?
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: Okay. Hell of a coach. But God damn, dude, I'm
[1:32:22] Speaker 1: tired of hearing your mouth.
[1:32:24] Speaker 4: Damn.
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: Right? It's damn. I'm tired.
[1:32:27] Speaker 2: Man, we're getting to fucking town, going to shoot around. Man,
[1:32:30] Speaker 2: I'm trying to go to dinner, dawg. It could, like,
[1:32:33] Speaker 2: you just, you've been around. You've been around this shit.
[1:32:37] Speaker 2: You've been in it. When it's just, it could have
[1:32:41] Speaker 2: been an assistant coach. It could have been a, you're
[1:32:43] Speaker 2: just like, dude, all right, man.
[1:32:46] Speaker 1: All right, man.
[1:32:47] Speaker 4: Damn, dude. It wasn't the starting six. I can tell you.
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: That for damn sure. So it's, yeah, but it's just, no,
[1:32:54] Speaker 1: but it could be. Yeah, it could be. It could
[1:32:56] Speaker 1: be one of them six, bro. Because the other niggas
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: ain't strong enough to make this kind of creed. They
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: do a vote. Remember, there's six players that play. There's
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: 11 players that don't. Them 11 votes are to add up.
[1:33:08] Speaker 1: But them 11 niggas are part-tarts. They can go. They
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: put them in the toaster. I don't think it even,
[1:33:13] Speaker 1: them 11, I think if.
[1:33:14] Speaker 2: This is a thing, right, you asking guys, like you
[1:33:18] Speaker 2: have an intimate, personal conversation with players. And whatever the
[1:33:23] Speaker 2: synopsis is, that's what you go with, right? Whether it's
[1:33:25] Speaker 2: your exit meeting, whether it's off-site, whatever the case may be.
[1:33:29] Speaker 2: And it's... Whether it's just one guy that you had
[1:33:32] Speaker 2: this conversation with and it's, man, dude wearing on people, man.
[1:33:40] Speaker 2: It could just be that simple.
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: His energy.
[1:33:45] Speaker 4: That real simple phrase right there, man, dude wearing on us, dog.
[1:33:50] Speaker 1: Oh, he wearing on people. Not even us. I mean,
[1:33:54] Speaker 1: dude wearing on people, man. And now it's like, hmm.
[1:34:00] Speaker 1: Imagine him walking in like the Grinch all the time
[1:34:02] Speaker 1: with the crown on. With the comb over? Yeah, with the, hey, guys,
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: come out here. Shit. Fuck. Come on, cat. It's fucking lazy. Fuck. Shit.
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: It's hard hearing this nigga, man. Well, we will see
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[1:34:54] Speaker 1: about some things going on on Twitter recently. So KD,
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: been known to engage with fans on social media from
[1:34:59] Speaker 1: time to time. Past few days, Durant has been socially
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: active on a variety of topics, including his post-Warriors career
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: and how ring culture has impacted players' legacy. So it
[1:35:10] Speaker 1: all started after Twitter user Hannah Hoops posted the following tweet.
[1:35:15] Speaker 1: She said, I think it's time to admit Kevin Durant's
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: trajectory after leaving Golden State is very underwhelming. So despite
[1:35:22] Speaker 1: not being tagged in the tweet, Durant confirmed the rumors.
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: He routinely searches his name on the app. Oh, that's crazy.
[1:35:27] Speaker 1: Responding about an hour and a half later with... Because
[1:35:30] Speaker 1: I used to do the same shit. I highly disagree.
[1:35:32] Speaker 1: Want to debate two question marks. The extra one letting
[1:35:36] Speaker 1: you know I'm about this right now. I have some
[1:35:38] Speaker 1: time on my hands. This set NBA Twitter ablaze as
[1:35:42] Speaker 1: other accounts jumped in on the conversation with KD's Twitter
[1:35:46] Speaker 1: fingers ready for action. One user jumped into the discussion
[1:35:49] Speaker 1: by offering this analysis on KD's career since leaving Golden
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: State saying, Brother, you sadly have not been out of
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: the second round ever since you left Golden State. Perhaps
[1:35:58] Speaker 1: a change of scenery might change that. To which KD
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: quickly replied, It's a team sport. I'm not playing tennis.
[1:36:06] Speaker 1: which some think have the best athletes in the game.
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: So another user offered this rebuttal, saying, what have you
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: done since leaving? Brooklyn was a failure. Phoenix currently is
[1:36:16] Speaker 1: a failure, and you're about to jump ship to the
[1:36:18] Speaker 1: next best available team, LOL, to which KD responded, all-stars, 50-40-90, all-NBA,
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: efficient buckets, brother. I also got a career-high assist one year,
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: hit 30K points, won a couple Olympic golds and MVPs.
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: What a career, and I'm still going. I love my life.
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: Crying emoji, crying emoji, crying emoji, crying emoji.
[1:36:39] Speaker 4: So do you agree with KD saying his career since
[1:36:41] Speaker 4: leaving the Warriors has been successful?
[1:36:45] Speaker 1: What you got, man? Me? Yeah, what you thinking, man?
[1:36:49] Speaker 6: I think that.
[1:36:52] Speaker 12: The expectations are there, right? You got him, Harden, and
[1:36:55] Speaker 12: Kyrie in Brooklyn. I mean, everybody thought it was going
[1:36:58] Speaker 12: to be NBA Finals, you know what I mean? Which,
[1:37:02] Speaker 12: you know, they didn't get to play together... Then he
[1:37:04] Speaker 12: goes to Phoenix. He's got Bradley Beal. And he's got
[1:37:10] Speaker 12: Booker with him. Expectations high. And they don't really perform.
[1:37:15] Speaker 12: I don't think that his legacy, as far as an efficient,
[1:37:19] Speaker 12: one of the greatest scorers, is affected. But I think
[1:37:22] Speaker 12: when you talk about goals or you talk about top five,
[1:37:25] Speaker 12: it always comes into the discussion of winning. And he
[1:37:27] Speaker 12: hasn't won since he's been in Golden State. And some
[1:37:29] Speaker 12: could say that he only won because he was in
[1:37:32] Speaker 12: Golden State.
[1:37:32] Speaker 6: They were already rocking and rolling.
[1:37:34] Speaker 1: Come on now. Stop starting shit on the internet. They
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: were rocking and rolling. They did have one ring in 2016.
[1:37:40] Speaker 4: They had a 3-1 lead over the Cavs.
[1:37:44] Speaker 1: Best regular season record ever. LeBron proceeded to win three
[1:37:46] Speaker 1: straight games. KD joins that team after that. They go
[1:37:49] Speaker 1: on to win two straight rings and end up losing
[1:37:51] Speaker 1: to the Raptors in that 2019 Finals.
[1:37:54] Speaker 6: I think LeBron would have went three straight for sure
[1:37:56] Speaker 6: if he didn't.
[1:37:56] Speaker 1: Go to Golden State. Oh, I forgot you was a
[1:37:58] Speaker 1: fucking man. Yeah, LeBron would have went three straight. That's
[1:38:00] Speaker 1: what you was doing to line that up. Three straight.
[1:38:03] Speaker 12: So they needed each other, you know, but outside, we're
[1:38:05] Speaker 12: talking about after the Golden State era, he's a great scorer.
[1:38:11] Speaker 1: Damn, that's cold. But ruptured Achilles able to come back
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: and arguably the same, if not a better player after
[1:38:18] Speaker 1: that injury, which we've seen ruin a lot of careers
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: in the history of the league.
[1:38:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, the game was never built on athleticism. So, efficient score,
[1:38:29] Speaker 2: like he said, man.
[1:38:32] Speaker 4: It's just, it amazes me how people that's never.
[1:38:45] Speaker 2: Played in the National Basketball Association can criticize or critique
[1:38:49] Speaker 2: someone like Kevin Durant in this manner, right? Just because
[1:38:56] Speaker 2: you have a phone, you question this man's.
[1:39:00] Speaker 1: Being, his legacy. Yeah, you have an opinion, cool.
[1:39:08] Speaker 2: But the man's career is what it is. His numbers
[1:39:11] Speaker 2: are what it is. His MVP is what it is.
[1:39:14] Speaker 2: He went into these situations not to lose. He didn't
[1:39:18] Speaker 2: expect that thing in Brooklyn to blow up in their face.
[1:39:21] Speaker 1: Went there to win. It didn't pan out. COVID hit,
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: all kinds.
[1:39:25] Speaker 4: So whatever the reasons were he didn't win in Brooklyn, it.
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: Happened, right?
[1:39:34] Speaker 2: From COVID, Kyrie not playing, you name it, James Hamstring,
[1:39:40] Speaker 2: you name it.
[1:39:41] Speaker 1: He can't control none of that. He went there to win.
[1:39:43] Speaker 1: It didn't happen. Same shit in Phoenix. Went there to win.
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: It didn't happen, man.
[1:39:47] Speaker 2: So it's not like he's going into these situations like,
[1:39:50] Speaker 2: you know what? I'm going to go to that motherfucker
[1:39:52] Speaker 2: and just make it to the first round.
[1:39:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all. Y'all cool with that?
[1:39:57] Speaker 2: So y'all can talk shit about me. This is what
[1:39:59] Speaker 2: I want to do. Like, no, that ain't what he's
[1:40:01] Speaker 2: in this to do, man. The man want to win.
[1:40:03] Speaker 2: It's just unfortunate that injuries and a lot of other
[1:40:08] Speaker 2: insinuating circumstances has happened.
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: But he's been.
[1:40:12] Speaker 2: Of every stop he's been the most consistent thing there
[1:40:17] Speaker 2: and you can't question that like you can but it's
[1:40:21] Speaker 2: not to me it's not fair criticism right the criticism
[1:40:26] Speaker 2: came leaving Oklahoma City and joining the team that y'all
[1:40:30] Speaker 2: was up on cool I'm with that all right but
[1:40:34] Speaker 2: since then the man that went every situation trying to
[1:40:36] Speaker 2: win it just hasn't panned out so But we've been
[1:40:43] Speaker 2: staying on this motherfucker. Facts and opinions, and everybody has
[1:40:45] Speaker 2: an opinion. That they do, especially in the NBA Twitter community.
[1:40:50] Speaker 1: And they're like assholes. They are.
[1:40:52] Speaker 4: I was going to allude to that. Most of them stink.
[1:40:57] Speaker 4: When you look at KD's career post-Warriors, do you agree
[1:41:01] Speaker 4: with him saying that it's been successful?
[1:41:03] Speaker 1: His career? Are we going off of his career of
[1:41:07] Speaker 1: what he's done? KD is an individual. I would say
[1:41:10] Speaker 1: the team success hasn't been there like we talked about.
[1:41:13] Speaker 1: Just like KD says, I'm not a tennis player.
[1:41:17] Speaker 4: If you rank me on my performance on how I
[1:41:21] Speaker 4: came into every season, my all-stars, my all-NBAs, my gold medals,
[1:41:27] Speaker 4: my average in 26 a game, then I've been successful.
[1:41:32] Speaker 4: But there's 14 other players that that has to be
[1:41:36] Speaker 4: attached to this and a coach that has to be
[1:41:40] Speaker 4: attached to this and an organization that has to be
[1:41:44] Speaker 4: attached to this for me to be successful. But when
[1:41:50] Speaker 4: you're saying I, me, then you can only rate me
[1:41:53] Speaker 4: by what I've done. And this is what I've brung
[1:41:56] Speaker 4: in every season and what I've done. So I'm saying, hey,
[1:41:59] Speaker 4: you're saying I haven't.
[1:42:00] Speaker 1: Been successful, me as a person. And I have. I
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: was 29, 29, 26, 27. I played this many games.
[1:42:08] Speaker 1: I made an all-star. That's me. My team? Yeah, we
[1:42:14] Speaker 1: done got fucked up. COVID hit. This man didn't do this.
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: He got injured.
[1:42:18] Speaker 4: My toe was on this line, but shit, I still
[1:42:19] Speaker 4: hit the motherfucking shot, but I ain't got nothing to
[1:42:21] Speaker 4: do with it. But as a team, I haven't been
[1:42:26] Speaker 4: successful in a group setting. When we do group projects,
[1:42:31] Speaker 4: but my grade in the class is a fucking A still.
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: My grade. You're bringing an A to the group project.
[1:42:37] Speaker 1: I'm bringing an A to the group. That's a group.
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: He didn't do this part. He didn't do this part.
[1:42:43] Speaker 1: This is a group project. So, you know, the criticism
[1:42:45] Speaker 1: is it's easy because fans.
[1:42:48] Speaker 4: Use team accolades to team success to say how good
[1:42:55] Speaker 4: you are as an individual.
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily how it's supposed to work. But
[1:43:00] Speaker 1: it is. It is, but it's not. It's not.
[1:43:04] Speaker 4: Because we can find a whole bunch of people that
[1:43:06] Speaker 4: has great team success. Because who gives a fuck if
[1:43:08] Speaker 4: it's fair or not? It is a thing, right? When
[1:43:11] Speaker 4: they wanted to be. If I say, hey, where's Klay
[1:43:14] Speaker 4: ranked amongst shooting guards? You're going to always put two
[1:43:17] Speaker 4: shooting guards in front of him that have got no rings.
[1:43:20] Speaker 4: Why this man sitting there doing this to a whole
[1:43:23] Speaker 4: bunch of people? We're going to be like, yeah, but
[1:43:24] Speaker 4: he must have been in Illinois. He's going to name
[1:43:27] Speaker 4: a whole motherfucking bunch of people. So we only use
[1:43:30] Speaker 4: the team success when we want to argue about something
[1:43:33] Speaker 4: that we like. So if you don't like Kevin Durant,
[1:43:37] Speaker 4: of course you're going to go against it. If you
[1:43:38] Speaker 4: like him, you're going to defend it. It's that simple.
[1:43:41] Speaker 5: Kevin Durant said an important statement.
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: He said this is a team sport. It's not tennis.
[1:43:50] Speaker 1: When you turn in a group project, does the group
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: get an A or B or grade? The group gets
[1:43:58] Speaker 1: graded as a total unit.
[1:44:00] Speaker 4: Does anybody get graded outside of the group when you
[1:44:04] Speaker 4: turn in a group project?
[1:44:08] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:44:09] Speaker 6: So you're saying because it's team.
[1:44:10] Speaker 5: I don't want to hear nothing about me or I
[1:44:14] Speaker 5: when we're talking about your success because we play a
[1:44:19] Speaker 5: game that is a team sport and the success is
[1:44:23] Speaker 5: contingent On the team success.
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: Your individual accomplishments. Yeah, I dig it.
[1:44:32] Speaker 5: They're giving you your opinion of what success can be
[1:44:36] Speaker 5: to you.
[1:44:37] Speaker 1: Your accomplishments.
[1:44:38] Speaker 5: But in the sport of basketball, the only success that
[1:44:42] Speaker 5: counts is winning.
[1:44:46] Speaker 1: And you are judged on that particular metric. Not necessarily. Period.
[1:44:52] Speaker 2: No, I disagree. But the dude... Tweet was accurate. Brooklyn
[1:44:57] Speaker 2: was a failure.
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:44:58] Speaker 4: Brooklyn was a failure. Absolutely. Phoenix is currently a failure. Absolutely.
[1:45:06] Speaker 4: There has nothing.
[1:45:07] Speaker 6: The first line.
[1:45:08] Speaker 1: The first line. The first line is bullshit, right?
[1:45:10] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:45:11] Speaker 1: So, yes, you are absolutely correct. Brooklyn was a failure.
[1:45:15] Speaker 1: Phoenix was a failure. Absolutely. But, no, y'all, like this man, like,
[1:45:22] Speaker 1: He shows up every year and he does his part. Yes.
[1:45:25] Speaker 1: I agree. He does his part. But you're calling him
[1:45:28] Speaker 1: a failure. That's the problem.
[1:45:28] Speaker 2: So if you put him in a group, right? So
[1:45:31] Speaker 2: to your analogy that you gave, right? If you put
[1:45:33] Speaker 2: him in a group with a bunch of D students, right?
[1:45:37] Speaker 2: And he come in that motherfucker and be like, hey, listen,
[1:45:39] Speaker 2: thank y'all for being here, but we're going to turn
[1:45:41] Speaker 2: this motherfucker in.
[1:45:42] Speaker 1: I already got it done. So we can get this A. Yep.
[1:45:44] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: Why hasn't that happened? Because it can't. Why? You just
[1:45:49] Speaker 1: explained how it can't. Because he's not. You just said,
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: I got a bunch of D niggas in here. Because
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: guess what? And I'm an A plus nigga. Because guess what?
[1:45:54] Speaker 1: When I come and turn this bitch in, let me
[1:45:56] Speaker 1: turn in my shit. Because this is going to be
[1:45:58] Speaker 1: an A. Because you know why? Because you know why?
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: Because you know why?
[1:46:00] Speaker 4: Because you got the teacher standing in the middle of
[1:46:02] Speaker 4: the group like, nope, you can't do that shit.
[1:46:03] Speaker 1: That's the coach.
[1:46:04] Speaker 4: Yep.
[1:46:04] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:46:04] Speaker 4: You got the head coach standing in the middle of
[1:46:07] Speaker 4: the group like, nope, you can't do that shit. I said,
[1:46:09] Speaker 4: he got to do this part. He got to do
[1:46:10] Speaker 4: this part. He got to do that part. You can
[1:46:12] Speaker 4: only do this part. And it has to be handwritten.
[1:46:15] Speaker 1: But it hasn't been proven. It hasn't been proven that
[1:46:19] Speaker 1: you can handle it on your own. No, it hasn't.
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: You haven't turned in a group paper where you led
[1:46:27] Speaker 1: on your own. No, no, no. You joined a group
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: that already turned and said, look, we got it. It
[1:46:36] Speaker 1: was a high-performing group.
[1:46:39] Speaker 4: In that group, he knew his part. Okay, so when
[1:46:43] Speaker 4: he got to the other groups. In Brooklyn, as a
[1:46:46] Speaker 4: small forward, was he not the top, the best 3-4
[1:46:48] Speaker 4: in the NBA?
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: Yes, he did his part. The D did the D,
[1:46:53] Speaker 1: the D, D, they didn't do their parts. What he
[1:46:57] Speaker 1: just said was when I pull up, when I pull
[1:47:00] Speaker 1: up and I just, let's get this done. Let me
[1:47:02] Speaker 1: give you the A because I got the A. You
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: got the A. I got a trade back for you too.
[1:47:08] Speaker 1: He has to do his grade, he has to do it.
[1:47:11] Speaker 1: As a group, y'all get graded. We're not bringing individual
[1:47:15] Speaker 1: shit to the... As a group, we get graded as
[1:47:17] Speaker 1: a group. That's how the teacher does it. So when
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: this A student got with the A group, Right? He
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: still was A +.
[1:47:25] Speaker 4: Everybody else was.
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: Steph was A-, he was still A +. When they
[1:47:31] Speaker 1: turned in the grade. No, so that was the smarter group.
[1:47:34] Speaker 1: As a group. The smarter group. Well, I'm asking. When
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: they turned in. Golden State is the smarter group. But
[1:47:38] Speaker 1: when Golden State turned in their grade. It was an
[1:47:40] Speaker 1: A +.
[1:47:40] Speaker 5: Before KD got there, when they turned in their grade.
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: They just lost. They just blew a lead. I'm asking
[1:47:46] Speaker 1: a question, bro. It was a B. I'm just asking.
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: It was a B.
[1:47:49] Speaker 4: Curry got an F on their point. And before they
[1:47:51] Speaker 4: got an F on their point, they went from A
[1:47:52] Speaker 4: to B to A +.
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: As a group. As a group. So now, I would
[1:47:55] Speaker 1: say F in 2016. That wasn't a failure?
[1:48:02] Speaker 6: That was just an F in the final.
[1:48:04] Speaker 1: No, that's F in the final. Joe, Joe, you make
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: a point. Joe, you make a great point. Did you win?
[1:48:10] Speaker 1: Did you win, Joe? Joe, when he went to Brooklyn
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: as a group, what happened? You botched your final project. Yeah,
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: that's it. How? Some people didn't show up to class. Exactly.
[1:48:20] Speaker 9: Like an excuse.
[1:48:22] Speaker 1: Every time I say why, y'all say this is why.
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: Your final project is worth 51% of your grade. Okay.
[1:48:28] Speaker 1: This is what that was. In Brooklyn? No. No. Golden State.
[1:48:32] Speaker 4: Golden State before he got like the 73rd. So 51%
[1:48:35] Speaker 4: of your grade is your final project.
[1:48:39] Speaker 1: That was the finals. Okay. You turn that motherfucker.
[1:48:42] Speaker 4: In and you got an F on it. And that
[1:48:44] Speaker 4: turns your A to a five. So that's what that
[1:48:49] Speaker 4: season was. So now you're going to add this A
[1:48:50] Speaker 4: to your group. And you're going to add this A
[1:48:52] Speaker 4: plus student to this group.
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: There's no individual to a group. Team is team, bro. Yes.
[1:48:58] Speaker 6: Yeah, but if you did a group project, right, and you.
[1:49:01] Speaker 1: Didn't work, I don't care. He had to help. I
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: don't care.
[1:49:04] Speaker 6: And then I come and I say, you can't draw
[1:49:06] Speaker 6: for nothing.
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: I'm not listening to you. You didn't do no work.
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: Shut up. But it's part of the grade. He's a
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: part of the team. He should just be like, I
[1:49:13] Speaker 1: got to work. right there. You got to bring the bath.
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: He got to bring the shit. Like you said, if
[1:49:18] Speaker 1: I can bring if I can bring all the shit,
[1:49:21] Speaker 1: but you can chill, bro. You got me, but he
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: can't do that. Who takes the ball out? Who has
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: to guard the five?
[1:49:28] Speaker 6: That's my position. Three can't play.
[1:49:31] Speaker 1: Yes, we know that as the three. So why are
[1:49:33] Speaker 1: we talking like we plan all five?
[1:49:35] Speaker 4: No, he said grade him as the three man.
[1:49:39] Speaker 1: But they're saying we're not going to grade you individually. No, no, no.
[1:49:42] Speaker 1: We're going to grade you as a team.
[1:49:43] Speaker 4: No, you're saying I suck as an individual. I'm not
[1:49:47] Speaker 4: doing my job as an individual and then you're throwing
[1:49:49] Speaker 4: my team into it. They're challenging him, not his team.
[1:49:52] Speaker 6: They're saying he sucks.
[1:49:53] Speaker 1: When you're saying Brooklyn. He's the leader of the team.
[1:49:57] Speaker 4: I got an A.
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: No. I got an A.
[1:49:59] Speaker 6: Not this one.
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: Was he the best player, though? No. A. He's brung
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: an A to the... Here's my A. How was your drawing?
[1:50:07] Speaker 4: Yeah, I brung a motherfucking D.
[1:50:08] Speaker 1: How was your math? Yeah, I'm bringing a C. He's
[1:50:10] Speaker 1: not the vocal leader. If I'm a team and I
[1:50:12] Speaker 1: bring in KD, is he not going to be the
[1:50:14] Speaker 1: center point of my team? He's the best player. He's
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: not going to be the center point of my team.
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: He's going to be the best player there.
[1:50:18] Speaker 4: And he brung an A to the project. He can't
[1:50:20] Speaker 4: make you draw better. I'm still great.
[1:50:23] Speaker 1: At the drawing. So if he brought an A to
[1:50:25] Speaker 1: the project, what is our overall... Grade. Ah, there you go. Failure.
[1:50:30] Speaker 1: Overall grade. So how did he bring an A? Because his,
[1:50:34] Speaker 1: the small forward position. But we didn't get an A.
[1:50:37] Speaker 1: Because you didn't bring an A to your point guard position.
[1:50:41] Speaker 1: You didn't bring an A either. You didn't bring a
[1:50:43] Speaker 1: point guard to your center spot. SGA, ruin the Warriors.
[1:50:47] Speaker 1: Because Draymond didn't throw him the goddamn ball. You....
[1:50:53] Speaker 5: Think about if everybody showed up and just said, look,
[1:50:56] Speaker 5: I'm going to just do my part and go home.
[1:50:58] Speaker 1: Then you're going to have team success. How? You will.
[1:51:03] Speaker 1: What you say you're doing, that you say is enough,
[1:51:05] Speaker 1: it's not enough. It's not enough. This is what people do.
[1:51:09] Speaker 1: I did all I can do. To the best of
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: my ability.
[1:51:14] Speaker 6: Right.
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: To the best of my ability. So guess what? That
[1:51:15] Speaker 1: wasn't for us. It wasn't enough. For us. It wasn't enough.
[1:51:20] Speaker 1: For the team to win. The best of your ability
[1:51:22] Speaker 1: is what you think is good for the team. We
[1:51:24] Speaker 1: need more. We need more. We can't do more. We
[1:51:28] Speaker 1: need more. That's why we got somebody else. That's why
[1:51:31] Speaker 1: we got to go find other shit. Because if you
[1:51:33] Speaker 1: can give us more and you're not because you're basically
[1:51:36] Speaker 1: just saying, look, I'm giving all I got, man. I
[1:51:38] Speaker 1: can't do any more. I'm going to.
[1:51:41] Speaker 6: We're going to keep jumping from group to group, though,
[1:51:42] Speaker 6: trying to get projects.
[1:51:43] Speaker 1: But the problem is this.
[1:51:44] Speaker 4: There's 500% pushed into a game, right? We all have
[1:51:48] Speaker 4: the ability to bring 500%.
[1:51:51] Speaker 6: If he brings 100.
[1:51:53] Speaker 1: If I bring 100, you bring 10. I can't make
[1:51:57] Speaker 1: up 90% of your job. I can't do it. I
[1:52:00] Speaker 1: can't bring.
[1:52:01] Speaker 4: So he cannot say, all right, I'm going to beat
[1:52:04] Speaker 4: LeBron James at my position 100%. And then Luka here
[1:52:09] Speaker 4: is bringing 100% to the point guard. And then our
[1:52:11] Speaker 4: point guard brings 10 compared to him. And I got
[1:52:14] Speaker 4: to take on Luka too. Then I got to take
[1:52:17] Speaker 4: on Austin Reeves too. Like, no, I can only bring 100%.
[1:52:22] Speaker 4: You're grading me on what I'm bringing. He's not failing
[1:52:28] Speaker 4: what he's bringing to the table. The other, there's other
[1:52:32] Speaker 4: players that's playing in the game too. There, there are
[1:52:35] Speaker 4: other people, there's other people, right? So the point guard,
[1:52:37] Speaker 4: they bring in, what was he ranked amongst point guard?
[1:52:40] Speaker 4: So three 49, three, where was he?
[1:52:44] Speaker 1: That's a starter. So who's, what is this? What was it?
[1:52:49] Speaker 4: What was this? Cause me, I'm ranked what? One, two
[1:52:52] Speaker 4: or three playing against one, two or three. Now the
[1:52:56] Speaker 4: point guard we're playing against is one, two, or three,
[1:52:58] Speaker 4: but the guy that's guarding him that's on.
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: My team is 340.
[1:53:01] Speaker 4: And you're judging me saying I'm failing?
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: How?
[1:53:12] Speaker 4: I'm not losing my matchup. That's all I can do
[1:53:14] Speaker 4: is bring my matchup. You're not winning. A lot of
[1:53:16] Speaker 4: people are not winning. You're not winning as a team.
[1:53:19] Speaker 4: A lot of people are not winning.
[1:53:19] Speaker 5: And they're not mentioning those guys because they're not KD.
[1:53:23] Speaker 1: No, KD is low-hanging fruit for people. Why? Because he's
[1:53:27] Speaker 1: going to respond. Did he put himself where he can
[1:53:30] Speaker 1: be low? It's easy clickbait. How can you blame the people?
[1:53:34] Speaker 1: It's easy clickbait.
[1:53:35] Speaker 2: Let's spin this forward. He is giving them exactly what
[1:53:38] Speaker 2: they are seeking to do, right? They know if they
[1:53:45] Speaker 2: poke him, he's going to respond. So they know that, right?
[1:53:49] Speaker 2: This is good shit for them. When you have nothing
[1:53:52] Speaker 2: to talk about, there's two buttons you push. Katie getting traded.
[1:53:58] Speaker 1: LeBron James. Guess what we guarantee to get out of that?
[1:54:04] Speaker 6: Content.
[1:54:04] Speaker 5: A response. Why the fuck are we talking about this?
[1:54:10] Speaker 5: I'm asking a real question. Why are we talking about
[1:54:13] Speaker 5: KD responding to guys on Twitter that ain't even at him?
[1:54:17] Speaker 4: Because OKC and Pacers are in the championship.
[1:54:22] Speaker 1: We're going to talk about them shortly. Let's spin this forward, though.
[1:54:25] Speaker 4: So KD was also asked by DimeDropperPod about his Netswad
[1:54:28] Speaker 4: getting swept by the Celtics in the first round of
[1:54:30] Speaker 4: 22 playoffs. In that series, Durant averaged 26.6 assists, 6 rebounds,
[1:54:35] Speaker 4: 39-33-90 shooting splits. So DimeDropperPod asked KD if he was
[1:54:38] Speaker 4: satisfied with that series. Of course, KD said no because
[1:54:42] Speaker 4: he's a perfectionist.
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: Durant went on to say that winning a game in
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: that series wouldn't really have made a difference in the
[1:54:47] Speaker 1: grand scheme of things in terms of how he's perceived.
[1:54:49] Speaker 1: KD also used the discussion as an opportunity to address
[1:54:52] Speaker 1: his problems with the current state of ring culture using
[1:54:54] Speaker 1: Allen Iverson's MVP season in 2001 as an example, which
[1:54:58] Speaker 1: included AI Sixer Squad giving the Lakers their only loss
[1:55:00] Speaker 1: of the postseason and game one of the finals that year.
[1:55:03] Speaker 1: This is what KD said. Said, this is a new day.
[1:55:06] Speaker 1: Iverson will be getting clowned for not winning that series.
[1:55:08] Speaker 1: It's just the way fans work in 2025. But I
[1:55:11] Speaker 1: don't think we tried to lose, LOL. Like, they just
[1:55:14] Speaker 1: beat us. If I would have retired and quit basketball
[1:55:16] Speaker 1: after that, then I would get the criticism towards my mentality.
[1:55:19] Speaker 1: So Durant went on to elaborate his thoughts even further, saying,
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, to me, Iverson is a basketball god.
[1:55:26] Speaker 1: So him winning and losing doesn't matter. He stamped himself
[1:55:29] Speaker 1: as somebody who loved and cared about being great and
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: pushing the game forward. I know this will be frowned upon,
[1:55:34] Speaker 1: but as a fan, that's enough for me. So do
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: you agree with KD saying winning or losing doesn't matter
[1:55:39] Speaker 1: when it comes to talking about the greats? Is it
[1:55:41] Speaker 1: their approach to the game? I agree.
[1:55:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's just what it is, man. Everybody's not
[1:55:52] Speaker 2: going to win. It's just unfortunate. That's just what it
[1:55:54] Speaker 2: is about sports. Everybody's not going to win. Everybody's not
[1:55:58] Speaker 2: going to win the championship.
[1:55:59] Speaker 1: That's what it is.
[1:56:01] Speaker 2: If you go out there, my man, and you putting
[1:56:03] Speaker 2: your time in, you working on your craft, and whatever
[1:56:07] Speaker 2: comes of it, when you hang them up, and you
[1:56:10] Speaker 2: did your part, you did all you could, you worked
[1:56:12] Speaker 2: as hard as you could, or if you didn't work
[1:56:14] Speaker 2: as hard, whatever comes of it when you hang them up,
[1:56:16] Speaker 2: it is what it is, man. You can hold your
[1:56:19] Speaker 2: head high, you can walk down the street and people
[1:56:22] Speaker 2: recognize you for your craft, things that you did. That's
[1:56:26] Speaker 2: gratifying and satisfying enough for a lot of people. for
[1:56:29] Speaker 2: people to recognize him. For every person that I love,
[1:56:32] Speaker 2: it's going to be somebody that's got something negative to say, man.
[1:56:34] Speaker 2: So you concentrate on the people that's praising you, and
[1:56:37] Speaker 2: that's good enough for a lot of dudes that did
[1:56:40] Speaker 2: this and put a lot of time into this, man.
[1:56:42] Speaker 2: It's not always paying out the same way for everybody.
[1:56:44] Speaker 1: But if you, as an individual, do all you can
[1:56:46] Speaker 1: to impact winning as much as you can, and then
[1:56:48] Speaker 1: that does not happen, what else can you do? The
[1:56:53] Speaker 1: winning is your approach to the game. How do you
[1:56:59] Speaker 1: approach the game? Right?
[1:57:02] Speaker 4: Is basketball 90% of your life? Are you trying to
[1:57:05] Speaker 4: be an expert at it?
[1:57:08] Speaker 1: Right? He loses to the Golden State, right? He joins
[1:57:13] Speaker 1: the team.
[1:57:15] Speaker 4: You put him in a winning situation with other people
[1:57:19] Speaker 4: who know how to win, they didn't fucking win, they dominated.
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: They didn't... Usually, you will fail, right? There's only one ball. Remember,
[1:57:29] Speaker 1: there's only one ball around.
[1:57:31] Speaker 4: They tried to use that, but because he has other
[1:57:34] Speaker 4: people that knows the same, they think the same.
[1:57:37] Speaker 1: They won. He didn't have success. Didn't have the same minds.
[1:57:44] Speaker 4: But when you're talking about a pure basketball mind who
[1:57:49] Speaker 4: cares about the game of basketball, who studies the game
[1:57:52] Speaker 4: of basketball, he's in locker rooms now. there he might
[1:57:58] Speaker 4: only meet two, three people his whole career that actually
[1:58:01] Speaker 4: loves the game like him. You are fortunate if you
[1:58:05] Speaker 4: have somebody who has the same passion as you, who obsesses.
[1:58:09] Speaker 1: With the game just like you are in a locker room.
[1:58:13] Speaker 4: Right, you got motherfucking losers that's top 10, top 15,
[1:58:17] Speaker 4: losing minds.
[1:58:17] Speaker 1: They were just more gifted than everybody. So they would
[1:58:20] Speaker 1: go down as winners. Oh, there he is winning. He
[1:58:24] Speaker 1: got this many rings. They're fucking losing mind. He just.
[1:58:28] Speaker 4: He had people that were mentally stronger than him. He
[1:58:30] Speaker 4: had a great group with him. He had a great
[1:58:32] Speaker 4: franchise that helped him win.
[1:58:34] Speaker 1: But the.
[1:58:36] Speaker 4: Habits was fucking losing habits.
[1:58:39] Speaker 1: Can I say this? As far as on record, KD
[1:58:46] Speaker 1: is one of the greatest players that ever played a game. Period.
[1:58:50] Speaker 5: But he's being judged based on what he accomplished in
[1:58:53] Speaker 5: Golden State. When you go there and you win, And
[1:58:57] Speaker 5: I think everyone believes that when he got there, they
[1:59:00] Speaker 5: won because of him.
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: Are we in agreement? Or you put them over the top.
[1:59:06] Speaker 5: So the expectation here now is that KD took his
[1:59:11] Speaker 5: talents to the Warriors and won two championships.
[1:59:14] Speaker 1: So anywhere he goes after this, what can we expect?
[1:59:18] Speaker 4: If he was the sole reason for those two championships.
[1:59:21] Speaker 1: No, he wasn't the sole reason. He broke his grade
[1:59:24] Speaker 1: to the project. He wasn't the sole reason, though. He
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: has another A. He has a... Seth Curry was an
[1:59:30] Speaker 1: A in his position.
[1:59:31] Speaker 5: I let niggas cook. I let niggas cook. I say
[1:59:35] Speaker 5: I ain't say a goddamn word. I ain't say nothing.
[1:59:38] Speaker 12: I think what KD was saying was like, he's not
[1:59:41] Speaker 12: really focused right now on He's enjoying the game.
[1:59:44] Speaker 6: You know, his accolades are there, who he is.
[1:59:47] Speaker 12: And when you look back on players, when you talk
[1:59:49] Speaker 12: about them 20 years down the line, what are you
[1:59:51] Speaker 12: looking at?
[1:59:51] Speaker 6: You're looking at their highlights, right?
[1:59:52] Speaker 12: You're not posting up their standings and, like, if they won,
[1:59:55] Speaker 12: you know, if they were first in the East or
[1:59:57] Speaker 12: the West.
[1:59:58] Speaker 6: So I think as an individual player, yeah.
[2:00:01] Speaker 12: He's, you know, he's one of the greatest scorers to ever.
[2:00:05] Speaker 6: Play the game.
[2:00:06] Speaker 1: But he's not being judged on that. I don't think
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: he should be judged any other way. He's being judged
[2:00:10] Speaker 1: on when you won, how you won, And why you
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: haven't won since then. That's it. How you won, when
[2:00:18] Speaker 1: you won, and why you haven't won since. And they
[2:00:21] Speaker 1: making great points. Like, yes, who was around you and
[2:00:23] Speaker 1: all that. But that's the expectation that it was set
[2:00:26] Speaker 1: when he won. That it was because of you. And
[2:00:29] Speaker 1: then any team who picks you up, they're going to
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: expect the same thing you did in Golden State. But
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: you don't got no Steph. And that's what they saying.
[2:00:35] Speaker 1: You ain't got no Steph. You ain't got no Klay.
[2:00:38] Speaker 1: You ain't got the A-team. But that's the expectation that
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: the A-team was you.
[2:00:42] Speaker 2: You had the A-team, but the A-team happened during COVID.
[2:00:46] Speaker 2: You had Kyrie, you had James. That was supposed to
[2:00:50] Speaker 2: be that, right? He was trying to recreate what they
[2:00:52] Speaker 2: had in Golden State.
[2:00:54] Speaker 5: But the expectation of him with them could automatically work
[2:00:57] Speaker 5: because he just worked with them two over there.
[2:00:59] Speaker 2: So there was insinuating circumstances that got in the way
[2:01:02] Speaker 2: of that.
[2:01:02] Speaker 1: Like what?
[2:01:04] Speaker 6: COVID.
[2:01:04] Speaker 1: Oh, you said insinuating. Okay.
[2:01:07] Speaker 4: I mean.
[2:01:08] Speaker 1: Injuries, hamstrings. Excuses. No, these are things. So, hamstrings, excuses.
[2:01:14] Speaker 1: You got to play. No, you don't. But they didn't. No,
[2:01:16] Speaker 1: I'm saying KD is going to have to play without
[2:01:18] Speaker 1: them regardless of those circumstances. So, if Steph and Klay
[2:01:23] Speaker 1: go down, do they win? It didn't happen. Yeah, they lost.
[2:01:26] Speaker 1: They lost to Toronto. No, they did lose. Toronto won
[2:01:31] Speaker 1: the championship.
[2:01:32] Speaker 5: I thought you were talking about when KD was there.
[2:01:35] Speaker 5: He was there. He got hurt, remember?
[2:01:37] Speaker 6: He got hurt.
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, he tore his head. Yeah, he tore his head.
[2:01:40] Speaker 1: I'm talking about the first two. Yeah, but so imagine
[2:01:43] Speaker 1: Steph going down. I'm talking about the first two. But
[2:01:45] Speaker 1: we see what happened when he went down. Two years
[2:01:47] Speaker 1: when they won it, right? That means that he was
[2:01:50] Speaker 1: the A part of the team. So the two years
[2:01:51] Speaker 1: when they won it. The two years that they won it.
[2:01:53] Speaker 1: That means he's the A part of the team. They
[2:01:55] Speaker 1: lost when he go down after winning two. But the
[2:01:57] Speaker 1: two years that they won it. You're trying to pretend
[2:01:59] Speaker 1: that there's not a top there.
[2:02:02] Speaker 6: They all went down.
[2:02:03] Speaker 4: The next person on the team, you take Kevin Durant,
[2:02:06] Speaker 4: the next person on the team.
[2:02:09] Speaker 1: Is Steph Curry, who's.
[2:02:11] Speaker 4: Arguably the best point guard ever or number two on
[2:02:16] Speaker 4: the team.
[2:02:18] Speaker 1: The shooting guard, first ballot Hall of Famer. The power forward,
[2:02:25] Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer.
[2:02:27] Speaker 4: They're all bringing their A game to this team project.
[2:02:32] Speaker 4: Why are you trying to pretend that there's A students
[2:02:34] Speaker 4: with him?
[2:02:35] Speaker 1: And you're trying to say... He's the A student. Also...
[2:02:38] Speaker 1: He's the A student. Also, so Steph is not an
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: A student? Steph is right in front of him.
[2:02:42] Speaker 5: We're talking about taking the A student that was on
[2:02:44] Speaker 5: an A team, and he's going to start his own
[2:02:47] Speaker 5: team with.
[2:02:47] Speaker 1: Two other A students. And what happens? These A students
[2:02:51] Speaker 1: didn't show up. They got hurt. So how do you...
[2:02:53] Speaker 1: So now we say you can only play with A students. No, we're...
[2:02:58] Speaker 1: They didn't show up.
[2:03:00] Speaker 4: It's only been proven you can only win with A students.
[2:03:04] Speaker 4: That's been proven.
[2:03:06] Speaker 1: They're not bringing their A game. They're hurt. They didn't
[2:03:10] Speaker 1: turn their homework in. They're not there. It means it's
[2:03:13] Speaker 1: not an A team. It means if you don't have
[2:03:16] Speaker 1: an A team, then we're not going to see A results.
[2:03:20] Speaker 4: But you're judging him and saying he's not an A player.
[2:03:21] Speaker 1: Because they thought it was an A team and it's
[2:03:23] Speaker 1: not an A team. It was an A team in
[2:03:25] Speaker 1: terms of salary. But you only had one A. You
[2:03:29] Speaker 1: had an A plus player. I would say book like
[2:03:33] Speaker 1: an A. Why are you talking about this team? But
[2:03:35] Speaker 1: that's what you're just talking about.
[2:03:38] Speaker 6: I'm just asking why they weren't.
[2:03:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're saying why they weren't. They wasn't an
[2:03:42] Speaker 1: A team. He's doing the same thing she's doing. I'm
[2:03:44] Speaker 1: talking about the Brooklyn situation.
[2:03:45] Speaker 4: You're saying he's an A player. player who brung his
[2:03:49] Speaker 4: a result and then you know the team project failed
[2:03:54] Speaker 4: then you're blaming the a student who showed up with
[2:03:58] Speaker 4: an a they say i y'all failed as a group
[2:04:01] Speaker 4: oh yeah.
[2:04:02] Speaker 1: You failed no because the expectation it's the expectation you
[2:04:06] Speaker 1: didn't do your thing but his his part of.
[2:04:08] Speaker 4: It got an a yeah because his part got an
[2:04:11] Speaker 4: a last time his part yes So come here and
[2:04:14] Speaker 4: do your part.
[2:04:16] Speaker 1: But we didn't get an A. You guys. You keep
[2:04:18] Speaker 1: saying we when you talk. There's only we in team, Gilbert.
[2:04:21] Speaker 1: Stop saying I in team.
[2:04:23] Speaker 4: You're saying he brung his A to the team.
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: Him brung an A. So when we say, what did
[2:04:30] Speaker 1: you do? It's an A. Then you say we failed.
[2:04:33] Speaker 1: Because you don't want to grade the rest of the people.
[2:04:36] Speaker 5: Because you want the other guys to be A's, too.
[2:04:39] Speaker 5: You want them all to be Hall of Famers. No,
[2:04:41] Speaker 5: we're not Hall of Famers.
[2:04:42] Speaker 1: So then why are you not winning with the D guys?
[2:04:44] Speaker 1: Because you're trying to pretend that when I won. Who has?
[2:04:48] Speaker 1: I won, and this is my group, and we won.
[2:04:52] Speaker 1: You're trying to say. Who is D? Name the D
[2:04:54] Speaker 1: guys he won with. Go ahead. Keep going. Hold on.
[2:04:57] Speaker 1: I'll get to it. I'll get to it.
[2:04:58] Speaker 6: He never won with any D guys.
[2:05:00] Speaker 1: Excuse me?
[2:05:00] Speaker 6: He never won with any D guys.
[2:05:02] Speaker 1: Yes. Kobe didn't?
[2:05:03] Speaker 6: No.
[2:05:03] Speaker 1: He didn't win no championship. Went two in a row.
[2:05:06] Speaker 6: You think Kyle Gasol was a D guy?
[2:05:08] Speaker 1: Kyle Gasol was a D guy. First ballot. One guy.
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: Name the other guys. Name the other guys. You said
[2:05:15] Speaker 1: all D guys. Name the other guys. Tomorrow. And compare
[2:05:17] Speaker 1: them to Brooklyn Nets. Tomorrow. And compare them to the Brooklyn.
[2:05:22] Speaker 1: That's two guys. They were hurt. But again. They were hurt.
[2:05:26] Speaker 1: Kyrie didn't play. Bro, did you steal these guys on
[2:05:29] Speaker 1: the Lakers? No, they played. It wasn't a bunch of
[2:05:31] Speaker 1: A guys on the Lakers. Sal Masol plays the first
[2:05:33] Speaker 1: batter on the family. Lamar Odom is a Hall of Famer.
[2:05:35] Speaker 1: On our chest.
[2:05:38] Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying. You're trying to... If they
[2:05:43] Speaker 4: don't show up, that A is meaningless. He's not turning
[2:05:45] Speaker 4: the homework in.
[2:05:47] Speaker 1: But he didn't turn... If he's not playing, he didn't
[2:05:50] Speaker 1: turn it in. I can't make up his stats. He
[2:05:54] Speaker 1: didn't turn it in. He's done. Kyrie this year. He
[2:05:58] Speaker 1: was physical. done. He's not turning in the paper.
[2:06:02] Speaker 12: The only A player I ever seen take some D
[2:06:05] Speaker 12: players to the finals was LeBron.
[2:06:07] Speaker 1: Just gotta say that. 0-9. You said to the finals.
[2:06:10] Speaker 1: But they played those. Say to the championship. Huh? To
[2:06:15] Speaker 1: the finals. Yeah. Finals. Now talk about to the finals.
[2:06:17] Speaker 1: We're talking about winning.
[2:06:18] Speaker 4: 2007.
[2:06:18] Speaker 1: We're talking about winning. 2007 Caps. That's true. They did
[2:06:21] Speaker 1: get swept. Them too. This ain't just credit and cake.
[2:06:23] Speaker 1: It's just your understanding the metric of expectations. You are
[2:06:27] Speaker 1: expected to do this. The fans are giving you shit
[2:06:29] Speaker 1: because you went here, went here, went here. You haven't
[2:06:32] Speaker 1: won since then. That's not a knock against his talent
[2:06:34] Speaker 1: or what he does. Yes, it is.
[2:06:35] Speaker 6: No, it's not.
[2:06:36] Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. It's an expectation. No, they're saying
[2:06:39] Speaker 1: it's a knock. Who said it's a knock? They are.
[2:06:41] Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's what the words are. The
[2:06:45] Speaker 1: words are criticism. Read the word about the trajectory of
[2:06:50] Speaker 1: his legacy or whatever. I think it's time to admit
[2:06:53] Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's trajectory after leaving Golden State is very underwhelming. Okay,
[2:06:56] Speaker 1: this is a random fan. A random fan says something
[2:06:59] Speaker 1: like this and we're entertaining it because it's what? His legacy.
[2:07:03] Speaker 1: Kevin Durant entertaining it.
[2:07:05] Speaker 6: Okay.
[2:07:05] Speaker 1: His legacy. Okay. And what was the next statement? The
[2:07:10] Speaker 1: wins and losses count in your legacy? What was the
[2:07:12] Speaker 1: next statement, please?
[2:07:12] Speaker 4: Said, brother, you sadly have not been out of the
[2:07:14] Speaker 4: second round ever since you left Golden State.
[2:07:16] Speaker 1: Perhaps a change of scenery might change that. Also said,
[2:07:19] Speaker 1: what have you done since leaving? Brooklyn was a failure.
[2:07:21] Speaker 1: Phoenix currently is a failure. And you're about to jump
[2:07:23] Speaker 1: ship to the next best available team. That's all team references.
[2:07:26] Speaker 4: Yes.
[2:07:27] Speaker 1: So why did he bring up stats? His legacy. He
[2:07:29] Speaker 1: brought up stats. No, ask the question again. The first
[2:07:34] Speaker 1: is the first part, then you're using a team.
[2:07:36] Speaker 12: They're explaining why his legacy is not what it is
[2:07:39] Speaker 12: because of those teams.
[2:07:40] Speaker 1: What was the second part you just said? It's the
[2:07:42] Speaker 1: first part that got his attention. What's the second part
[2:07:45] Speaker 1: you said? His team. Brother, you sadly have not been
[2:07:48] Speaker 1: out of the second round ever since you left Golden State.
[2:07:50] Speaker 1: We know Kevin Durant's legacy is underwhelming. I'm talking about
[2:07:55] Speaker 1: what he just said just now.
[2:07:56] Speaker 6: I want to.
[2:07:57] Speaker 1: Because he's the president at the beginning of it. But
[2:08:01] Speaker 1: this is two different statements. No, it's not. Yes, it is.
[2:08:03] Speaker 1: It's not the same statement. Those are two different posts.
[2:08:06] Speaker 1: One post and then the other post, right? There's two
[2:08:10] Speaker 1: separate posts. Thank you. Come on, guys. Stop gaslighting me.
[2:08:13] Speaker 1: Stop gaslighting me.
[2:08:14] Speaker 4: The first post was.
[2:08:16] Speaker 1: From Hannah, right? The first post. I think it's time
[2:08:18] Speaker 1: to admit Kevin Durant's trajectory after leaving Golden State is
[2:08:21] Speaker 1: very underwhelming. That's one person. And he said, I disagree.
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: I highly disagree. Then he said, want to debate? Question mark,
[2:08:27] Speaker 1: question mark. So then it's another person he responded to.
[2:08:29] Speaker 4: That said, brother, you sadly have not been out of
[2:08:31] Speaker 4: the second round ever since you left Golden State. Perhaps
[2:08:33] Speaker 4: a change of scenery might change that. His response to
[2:08:35] Speaker 4: that person was, it's a team sport. I'm not playing tennis.
[2:08:39] Speaker 4: And then the third person said, what have you done
[2:08:40] Speaker 4: since leaving? Brooklyn was a failure.
[2:08:42] Speaker 1: Phoenix you're about to jump ship to the next available
[2:08:45] Speaker 1: team his response to that person was all-stars 50 40
[2:08:48] Speaker 1: 90 all-nba efficient buckets brother also got a career high
[2:08:51] Speaker 1: assist one year hit 30k points won a couple olympic
[2:08:54] Speaker 1: goals and mvps what a career and i'm still going
[2:08:57] Speaker 1: i love my.
[2:08:58] Speaker 4: Life what have you done like he didn't say whatever
[2:09:00] Speaker 4: your team said what have you done what y'all did
[2:09:03] Speaker 4: yeah he said what have you done what i've done
[2:09:04] Speaker 4: those i've showed up this is what i have done.
[2:09:08] Speaker 1: All right, well, let's shift this and let's talk about
[2:09:10] Speaker 1: the current NBA Finals going on. So Game 3 of
[2:09:12] Speaker 1: the NBA Finals ships off tonight in Indiana. It's very important.
[2:09:16] Speaker 1: Can we save the best for last? Yeah, I mean, shit,
[2:09:18] Speaker 1: we got 18,000 people not talking about him. Shit, we
[2:09:20] Speaker 1: talking about him. And Gil, I want you to look
[2:09:23] Speaker 1: at the number in the chat right now. Look at
[2:09:25] Speaker 1: the number in the chat right now. We will see
[2:09:27] Speaker 1: if it improves or decreases. And then they blame me
[2:09:30] Speaker 1: talking about I'm knocking them. No motherfuckers y'all knocking them.
[2:09:32] Speaker 1: So Game 3 of the NBA Finals tips off tonight.
[2:09:34] Speaker 1: Let's talk about some interesting subjects with both teams. First,
[2:09:37] Speaker 1: SGA joined some elite company during the Thunders game to
[2:09:40] Speaker 1: win in the NBA Finals. So let's take a look
[2:09:41] Speaker 1: at that. So after his 34-point performance, Shea became just
[2:09:45] Speaker 1: the fourth MVP since the NBA and ABA merger to
[2:09:48] Speaker 1: score 3,000 points in a single season, including playoffs. No.
[2:09:53] Speaker 1: Go ahead. No, the other three to do it, MJ,
[2:09:56] Speaker 1: who did it five times in his career, Shaq, and
[2:09:58] Speaker 1: also Kevin Durant, who we just previously talked about.
[2:10:03] Speaker 4: The simple, sure fact that it's a guy on that
[2:10:07] Speaker 4: list that didn't make anything outside of the fucking paint.
[2:10:12] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. No, no, no. You can go
[2:10:15] Speaker 1: even further. Okay. You can just add it.
[2:10:19] Speaker 4: Most of them, all four of them, inside the three-point line.
[2:10:24] Speaker 4: That too, but the other guys. 98% of their game
[2:10:27] Speaker 4: inside the free throw.
[2:10:28] Speaker 1: But the one guy. I know.
[2:10:29] Speaker 2: But the one guy is definitely. The fact that he
[2:10:32] Speaker 2: is on that list for 3,000 points in the season.
[2:10:37] Speaker 1: So without just MVPs, 12 players have done them when
[2:10:41] Speaker 1: you expanded. You got MJ, Luka, Harden. KD, Kobe, Shaq,
[2:10:45] Speaker 1: Bob McAdoo, Kareem, Rick Barry, and Elgin Baylor. How many
[2:10:48] Speaker 1: times each one? They only did it once or did
[2:10:50] Speaker 1: somebody else? They had it done in the season. So
[2:10:52] Speaker 1: MJ did it ten times. Will did it five times.
[2:10:54] Speaker 4: Harden is the only one who was a three-point guy
[2:10:58] Speaker 4: that lived on the three-point line.
[2:11:02] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that part. So question for the couch. Where
[2:11:06] Speaker 1: does SGA season rank amongst the top scoring seasons all
[2:11:09] Speaker 1: time when you look at that information? Does it? 30
[2:11:15] Speaker 1: points per game, 50% from the field. All the time?
[2:11:18] Speaker 1: All the time. How many people is on that list?
[2:11:22] Speaker 1: How many people is on that list?
[2:11:23] Speaker 4: 3,000.
[2:11:23] Speaker 1: This is just an overall list. I'd rank it out
[2:11:26] Speaker 1: of this. One of four MVPs with 3,000 total points
[2:11:30] Speaker 1: in the season.
[2:11:31] Speaker 4: Of the four MVPs? It's the MVP season. The MVP season,
[2:11:36] Speaker 4: but 12 players have done it. 12 players have done it,
[2:11:39] Speaker 4: including non-MVPs.
[2:11:39] Speaker 1: So this list that you're going to give them, put
[2:11:41] Speaker 1: them at four? What's the question? So where does the
[2:11:44] Speaker 1: SGA season rank amongst the top scoring seasons all time?
[2:11:48] Speaker 1: But not just on this.
[2:11:50] Speaker 4: So 12 players have done it, scored over 3,000 points,
[2:11:53] Speaker 4: including playoffs.
[2:11:54] Speaker 1: In the season. What's the percentage? What's the shooting percentage?
[2:12:02] Speaker 1: Shooting over 50% from the field.
[2:12:03] Speaker 5: Not even a metric. Anybody can even come off the
[2:12:06] Speaker 5: top of their head and give you a real straight answer.
[2:12:08] Speaker 1: Jordan's one. SGA shot 51% from the field, 36%. from three, 89%
[2:12:13] Speaker 1: from the free throw line. That's 3,032. How many pistol
[2:12:17] Speaker 1: Pete average in the season? Kobe average 28. What, 40 feet? Man,
[2:12:20] Speaker 1: you got.
[2:12:24] Speaker 2: Guys like Elgin Bailout, this bitch. You got goddamn, what's
[2:12:32] Speaker 2: played in Denver, Kiki.
[2:12:34] Speaker 1: So pistol Pete average, his high was 31.1, Kiki was
[2:12:38] Speaker 1: consistent 25. Fat. You said scoring? Michael, yeah.
[2:12:42] Speaker 4: You said scoring season. Stop scoring of all time.
[2:12:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, scoring season. What does he rank? If he scores
[2:12:47] Speaker 1: season of all time, then what, would he be second?
[2:12:50] Speaker 1: You put him second.
[2:12:51] Speaker 4: When he averaged 30, what, one? 32.1, I believe he ranked. Yeah,
[2:12:55] Speaker 4: or averaged 32. You got to throw Wilton. Shaq got
[2:12:58] Speaker 4: him 29 that year. I mean, Kobe averaged 28 when
[2:13:01] Speaker 4: he won it that year. I'm not putting him over Shaq.
[2:13:04] Speaker 4: We're talking about the year, not like. I'm not putting
[2:13:06] Speaker 4: him over Shaq, though, so no point. That shit was this.
[2:13:11] Speaker 1: The man couldn't make free throws and didn't have a
[2:13:14] Speaker 1: jump shot. The man had 40-24. He had 40 and 24.
[2:13:15] Speaker 4: He was 11 for 18 from the field, and he
[2:13:16] Speaker 4: missed 21 free throws. He shot 39 free throws. So
[2:13:18] Speaker 4: it's not even a discussion or a debate, in my opinion.
[2:13:32] Speaker 4: You missed 21.
[2:13:33] Speaker 1: S.J. shot 39 free throws. He's not missing 21. No,
[2:13:35] Speaker 1: he's not. But imagine this. He's making about 32 to
[2:13:38] Speaker 1: 33 of those. Absolutely. He missed. He shot 61. Wait, wait.
[2:13:43] Speaker 1: What did you say? Hmm? How many total points was it?
[2:13:49] Speaker 1: His 3,032 total points. When he won MVP? Yes, MVP season.
[2:13:53] Speaker 1: MVP season. So this is Shade's MVP season. No, that
[2:13:56] Speaker 1: four left. The other three guys did the same thing.
[2:13:59] Speaker 6: As MVPs.
[2:14:00] Speaker 1: Scored over 3,000. Since the NBA-ABA merger. Is this playoffs included? Yes. Oh,
[2:14:12] Speaker 1: I was going to say. As I said. Single season,
[2:14:16] Speaker 1: including playoffs. Yes, including. So I'm going with Shaquille O'Neal. Yeah,
[2:14:21] Speaker 1: I will too. Whoever has the most.
[2:14:23] Speaker 4: Points, then that's... I'm going with whoever has the total
[2:14:26] Speaker 4: most points at that point.
[2:14:27] Speaker 1: Nah, Shaq for sure. I'm going with Shaquille O'Neal. More impressive.
[2:14:32] Speaker 6: More dominating too.
[2:14:33] Speaker 1: All dumped and shit. But is the fact that SJ
[2:14:37] Speaker 1: is even worthy of being in that discussion? He averaged 32.
[2:14:39] Speaker 1: And he won MVP. What is your actual question? The
[2:14:44] Speaker 1: question I just asked you, Gilbert. Ask it again? Would
[2:14:47] Speaker 1: you like me to? Yes. Where does SJ's season rank
[2:14:50] Speaker 1: amongst the top scoring seasons of all time?
[2:14:54] Speaker 6: Let's see if they win.
[2:14:55] Speaker 4: Then, yeah, Jordan's won because I think that was a 35,
[2:14:58] Speaker 4: first team, everything.
[2:14:59] Speaker 1: You smart. That was first team, everything. You smart. Shaq,
[2:15:04] Speaker 1: they won championships. True. Got to win it. Yeah, got
[2:15:10] Speaker 1: to win it. KD didn't win it. Man, listen, Jack. Shit,
[2:15:16] Speaker 1: I mean, he's on the list. I mean, top four.
[2:15:19] Speaker 1: Top four, you know what I mean? Top four.
[2:15:26] Speaker 4: Brother man, brother man. Let's shift over to the Pacers side.
[2:15:30] Speaker 4: So no love lost between Tim Hardaway Sr. and Tyrese Halliburton.
[2:15:33] Speaker 1: As some of you may remember, Timmy pulled up to
[2:15:35] Speaker 1: the arena during All-Star weekend and said he wanted to
[2:15:37] Speaker 1: take down the Halliburton.
[2:15:40] Speaker 13: If I go back and put on my shit and
[2:15:44] Speaker 13: suit up, I want to go fuck up Halliburton.
[2:15:50] Speaker 1: I want to go fuck him up.
[2:15:51] Speaker 13: He talks so much shit.
[2:15:53] Speaker 1: Okay. I want to go back and bust his mother.
[2:15:56] Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love that shit. Yeah. Yeah.
[2:16:00] Speaker 6: He talks so much shit.
[2:16:02] Speaker 1: I want to go back. I want to bust his ass.
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: So you want to bust Tyrese Oliver's ass because he
[2:16:06] Speaker 1: talks too much.
[2:16:07] Speaker 6: Right.
[2:16:08] Speaker 1: And he thinking all that. So Howie saw the clip.
[2:16:16] Speaker 1: Howie saw the clip offered this response. He said, tell
[2:16:21] Speaker 1: the world the real reason you feel this way, Tim.
[2:16:24] Speaker 1: which left many to speculate what would be the real
[2:16:27] Speaker 1: reason that Tim feels this way. I'm trying to fuck
[2:16:30] Speaker 1: him up. So Hardaway later doubled down on his comments.
[2:16:33] Speaker 1: The beef has now spilled over to the finals. And
[2:16:35] Speaker 1: during an interview on the Pacers post-up on the Believe Network,
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: Timmy had this to say about Halle's trash talking during
[2:16:42] Speaker 1: the playoffs. This is my thing with Halliburton. All right.
[2:16:46] Speaker 13: I'm a shit-talking person on the court.
[2:16:49] Speaker 1: Okay.
[2:16:49] Speaker 13: If you're out there and you're going to talk shit,
[2:16:51] Speaker 13: I talk shit whether I'm losing or or whether I'm winning.
[2:16:56] Speaker 13: You just can't talk smack when you are winning. That's
[2:17:01] Speaker 13: when guys don't like you. Guys like you when you're
[2:17:05] Speaker 13: talking smack, when you're losing too.
[2:17:08] Speaker 1: Say, that's all right. We're going to get you next time.
[2:17:10] Speaker 1: We're going to come for your butt. Yeah, we go.
[2:17:12] Speaker 13: Yeah, y'all got us this time, but we're going to
[2:17:13] Speaker 13: get y'all next time. And you better be ready. You
[2:17:16] Speaker 13: better be ready. So, so, so, so, so, and so,
[2:17:18] Speaker 13: you know, you like y'all had one of the best
[2:17:21] Speaker 13: smack talkers in the league with, oh, Chuck Person, the
[2:17:25] Speaker 13: rifle man and Reggie Miller.
[2:17:28] Speaker 1: All right.
[2:17:29] Speaker 13: And then you had one of the best talk smackers
[2:17:32] Speaker 13: as a coach and Larry Bird. He talked when he
[2:17:35] Speaker 13: was losing and all of them talk when he was winning.
[2:17:38] Speaker 13: So that was my problem with Halliburton. When you're out
[2:17:42] Speaker 13: there winning, you can.
[2:17:45] Speaker 1: Give it to him. But even when you lose, don't
[2:17:47] Speaker 1: clam up. Don't get real small. I can't see you.
[2:17:51] Speaker 13: And then you don't want to talk smack and you
[2:17:53] Speaker 13: hiding behind your teammates, stuff like that.
[2:17:58] Speaker 4: So Tim Hardaway Sr. have a point about Halliburton's trash
[2:18:01] Speaker 4: talk or is he just hating?
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. So have Tim told the world why he really mad?
[2:18:05] Speaker 2: That's what, that's the answer to the question. Like you
[2:18:11] Speaker 2: just can't double down and you can't come at me
[2:18:13] Speaker 2: and you ain't answer the question.
[2:18:14] Speaker 1: Yet that I asked you, homie.
[2:18:15] Speaker 4: I ain't even said nothing to you. You double down
[2:18:18] Speaker 4: on me. You gonna double down on me and answer
[2:18:19] Speaker 4: the question?
[2:18:20] Speaker 1: That was the question. He said, why you mad at me?
[2:18:24] Speaker 1: I hate him because he smacks her. No, but Tyrese
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: had it, but that ain't the real reason.
[2:18:28] Speaker 4: It ain't got nothing to do with basketball.
[2:18:31] Speaker 1: At all. Huh? At all. Some have speculated work-related. Work-related?
[2:18:37] Speaker 1: He took his work. He took his work. Unk might
[2:18:39] Speaker 1: have got his work cracked. He ain't take no work.
[2:18:40] Speaker 1: His work shows up. That's what happens when you owe.
[2:18:43] Speaker 1: Your work leaves you when you owe. You motherfuckers don't
[2:18:46] Speaker 1: take shit. They leave. Tim Hardaway Sr. showing that black
[2:18:49] Speaker 1: don't crack, though. Shout out. I mean, it's... Tim gotta relax, man.
[2:18:54] Speaker 1: The statement is... The statement that Tim is saying, like....
[2:19:01] Speaker 4: That is why players... probably voted them most overrated um
[2:19:09] Speaker 4: the reason that um they probably don't respect this game
[2:19:13] Speaker 4: like it should be is the same reason that we
[2:19:16] Speaker 4: was talking about the dylan brooks thing you can't talk
[2:19:19] Speaker 4: shit when you're winning and then when you lose you
[2:19:23] Speaker 4: don't want to talk to media you ain't bumping your
[2:19:25] Speaker 4: gums no.
[2:19:26] Speaker 1: More like as a as a basketball player like.
[2:19:29] Speaker 4: That's that's that's how we know who's who You're talking
[2:19:32] Speaker 4: both sides of it. Like, Gary Payton, no matter what
[2:19:34] Speaker 4: the score is, he's running at the mouth. That's why
[2:19:37] Speaker 4: people like it. Like, you're just not a frontrunner. So
[2:19:40] Speaker 4: I guess that's what he's calling himself.
[2:19:41] Speaker 1: But do you feel like Howie's a frontrunner? Obviously, if
[2:19:43] Speaker 1: I hit a big shot in the garden or if
[2:19:45] Speaker 1: I hit a big shot in the playoff, I'm a... Okay, cool.
[2:19:48] Speaker 4: But when you get... If I miss that shot, I'm
[2:19:50] Speaker 4: probably not going to talk. But when you're getting beat
[2:19:51] Speaker 4: by 25, are you still out there bumping your gums?
[2:19:54] Speaker 4: Are you still out there talking shit? Like, that's... That's
[2:19:57] Speaker 4: what makes the player.
[2:19:58] Speaker 1: There's nothing to talk about. That's what makes the player.
[2:20:02] Speaker 4: Like, when you go to the podium, like, when you
[2:20:04] Speaker 4: did the choking, you sitting there, yeah, yeah, yeah, choking
[2:20:06] Speaker 4: shit out there, motherfucker, huh?
[2:20:07] Speaker 1: And then when you lose, your ass in the car.
[2:20:10] Speaker 1: But he still had the party. No, no, no. Because
[2:20:12] Speaker 1: when you did.
[2:20:13] Speaker 4: The choke shit, I was up here talking like, yeah,
[2:20:16] Speaker 4: he got the best of us.
[2:20:17] Speaker 1: There's another game, though. Nobody ever did that. Nobody ever
[2:20:20] Speaker 1: does that.
[2:20:20] Speaker 4: When I'm talking shit, you're shutting up and you're listening
[2:20:22] Speaker 4: to me talk shit because you're getting your ass busted.
[2:20:24] Speaker 4: Ain't nothing you can say to me.
[2:20:26] Speaker 1: And if you even try to say something, I'm going
[2:20:27] Speaker 1: to over-talk you because I'm beating your ass. Shut up, nigga.
[2:20:30] Speaker 1: Shut up. Shut up. Now, when I'm losing, guess what
[2:20:34] Speaker 1: you can do? Tell me the same fucking shit. And
[2:20:36] Speaker 1: guess what I gotta do? Shut the fuck up. Because
[2:20:39] Speaker 1: I'm losing. That's how the game go. When I talk
[2:20:42] Speaker 1: shit and I'm busting your ass, boom. Just like this.
[2:20:45] Speaker 1: Niggas say, he think he all that. No, nigga, you
[2:20:48] Speaker 1: think I'm all that. I don't think shit. You do.
[2:20:51] Speaker 1: You see what I don't. I don't get to see
[2:20:53] Speaker 1: me walk around, nigga. That's confidence. You hate it. I
[2:20:55] Speaker 1: get it. I get it. I get it. But When
[2:21:00] Speaker 1: it's time to step up and I talk shit better
[2:21:02] Speaker 1: than you, then just, you know, you got to live
[2:21:04] Speaker 1: with it.
[2:21:04] Speaker 5: Because if I'm hitting game winners and I'm talking shit,
[2:21:06] Speaker 5: you're going to tell me to talk shit when I lose?
[2:21:08] Speaker 1: Nah, nigga, you talk shit when you win.
[2:21:10] Speaker 6: You still trash talk when you were losing a game?
[2:21:14] Speaker 1: Every goat did it, right?
[2:21:16] Speaker 4: No.
[2:21:17] Speaker 1: Right? Isn't that what made the goat the goat? That
[2:21:19] Speaker 1: they didn't give a fuck what the score, but they
[2:21:20] Speaker 1: still going to do their thing?
[2:21:22] Speaker 4: Like, Like, I'm pretty sure with Kobe's 0-4-5 season, he
[2:21:26] Speaker 4: was out there running his motherfucking, yeah, y'all can't guard me.
[2:21:29] Speaker 4: Y'all better bring six, seven of you motherfuckers out here
[2:21:32] Speaker 4: or we are coming back. Oh, that was a dumbass foul.
[2:21:36] Speaker 4: We coming back. Oh, shit, y'all fucking. He's talking the.
[2:21:39] Speaker 1: Whole game down or up. Scoreboard. That's what made him scary.
[2:21:44] Speaker 6: Scoreboard.
[2:21:44] Speaker 1: Because it didn't matter. You still had to respect that man.
[2:21:49] Speaker 1: He didn't give a fuck who was on the court,
[2:21:51] Speaker 1: what the score was. He was talking. Jordan was talking.
[2:21:55] Speaker 1: He plays on the Wizards. Was he what?
[2:21:58] Speaker 6: Talking.
[2:21:59] Speaker 1: I'm still me. Nigga down 30. I'm still me. Come
[2:22:03] Speaker 1: get this work. You better double. Everybody don't have that confidence.
[2:22:06] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's the confidence. So the cap
[2:22:09] Speaker 1: right now we're talking about is now everybody got to
[2:22:11] Speaker 1: have that? That's what we're judging off of. That's the
[2:22:14] Speaker 1: era he grew up in. Who? Tim? Yeah. Oliver didn't
[2:22:19] Speaker 1: grow up in that. So that's where he's sitting. I
[2:22:21] Speaker 1: don't like it. Yeah, you don't like it because you
[2:22:23] Speaker 1: want it.
[2:22:24] Speaker 4: You're only bouncing around when you're winning. You don't got
[2:22:27] Speaker 4: no confidence in yourself. So this is the thing, right?
[2:22:30] Speaker 1: I don't got to bounce around when I'm losing.
[2:22:32] Speaker 2: So the era that Tim Hardaway played in, the 90s
[2:22:37] Speaker 2: era of basketball, the late 80s, 90s era of Tim
[2:22:40] Speaker 2: Hardaway's career, the way basketball was.
[2:22:44] Speaker 1: It was a masculine thing. Masculinity stood out first. Right?
[2:22:51] Speaker 2: There was no locker room that you could have walked
[2:22:53] Speaker 2: in with your nails painted.
[2:22:57] Speaker 1: Ever. Unless you was Dennis Rock.
[2:22:59] Speaker 2: Unless you was just crazy.
[2:23:00] Speaker 4: Unless they knew what you were like. You knew what
[2:23:03] Speaker 4: you was on. Yeah, Dennis go out with Madonna. He's
[2:23:06] Speaker 4: a fucking rock star. So Dennis don't count.
[2:23:08] Speaker 1: Right? So....
[2:23:13] Speaker 4: The way you had to approach it, if you didn't
[2:23:15] Speaker 4: talk shit back, when you were down, they just going
[2:23:19] Speaker 4: to write you off, run right over you. We're not
[2:23:23] Speaker 4: listening to you no more. There's nothing else.
[2:23:25] Speaker 2: That you can say. This generation, more sensitive, more I'm
[2:23:34] Speaker 2: in my feelings, we lose, it's okay for me.
[2:23:38] Speaker 4: To talk to the media like this now because we
[2:23:41] Speaker 4: lost and I don't really like when you guys go
[2:23:45] Speaker 4: after me because I just got done talking shit yesterday.
[2:23:49] Speaker 4: You don't even know how to rebuttal. They don't understand it.
[2:23:53] Speaker 4: Because it's the level of competition night in, night out.
[2:24:02] Speaker 4: Each possession, night in, night out, allows them to be
[2:24:04] Speaker 4: this way. Unfortunately.
[2:24:07] Speaker 1: They're skilled, absolutely. Talented, absolutely.
[2:24:11] Speaker 2: But generations from before, the competition part of it that
[2:24:19] Speaker 2: Tim is speaking of, right?
[2:24:22] Speaker 1: It sounds personal. It really does.
[2:24:26] Speaker 2: I'm trying not to think about it in a personal manner.
[2:24:28] Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about it in this competition, man, right?
[2:24:31] Speaker 2: So if that's the angle, then yeah, I get it,
[2:24:35] Speaker 2: where it's coming from. But it really sounds fucking personal.
[2:24:41] Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with basketball.
[2:24:44] Speaker 2: Because this man, like, I understand, like, you, there are
[2:24:46] Speaker 2: a lot of the things that you could mention about
[2:24:48] Speaker 2: his game.
[2:24:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:24:50] Speaker 2: And that he's doing that he's not doing in order, like,
[2:24:52] Speaker 2: to help his team, the game that he hasn't played well,
[2:24:55] Speaker 2: playing the same position that you play.
[2:24:57] Speaker 1: There's a lot of shit that you could have went to. Yes.
[2:25:00] Speaker 1: before the shit talking. Yes. In my opinion, right?
[2:25:04] Speaker 4: Because y'all play the same position so you're able to
[2:25:06] Speaker 4: critique it.
[2:25:06] Speaker 1: Yes. Right? That part. That's my thing. It comes across
[2:25:10] Speaker 1: as personal now. But isn't that critiquing it? No. He's
[2:25:14] Speaker 1: basically saying, I don't like the way you shit. He's
[2:25:17] Speaker 1: not critiquing his game.
[2:25:18] Speaker 4: When you're losing, you celebrate, but when you're losing, you
[2:25:22] Speaker 4: don't show up. There's a lot of the shit, in
[2:25:26] Speaker 4: my opinion, that you could have got to, that you
[2:25:28] Speaker 4: could have talked about, which we didn't see.
[2:25:30] Speaker 1: The totality of before.
[2:25:33] Speaker 2: But this part, there's a lot of the shit, because
[2:25:35] Speaker 2: you played the position that you could have critiqued him on,
[2:25:38] Speaker 2: and it would have been the same message as this.
[2:25:43] Speaker 2: Just because you, like I said, it sounds personal in
[2:25:46] Speaker 2: my opinion. It really sounds like, and for Tyrese to
[2:25:49] Speaker 2: respond that way.
[2:25:51] Speaker 4: Tell him why you really hate on me.
[2:25:56] Speaker 1: I'm trying to take the personal. I'm just talking about.
[2:25:58] Speaker 1: I am too. We had the argument.
[2:26:00] Speaker 4: We said the same thing about Dylan Brooks and why
[2:26:02] Speaker 4: nobody would respect him in the locker room.
[2:26:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:26:05] Speaker 4: Coming on the team. Because when everything gets bad. popping,
[2:26:10] Speaker 4: when everything is popping, you dead. When shit ain't going well,
[2:26:14] Speaker 4: you hide. Yeah, but when Holly wins or loses, he
[2:26:16] Speaker 4: still goes to the podium. I think the Dylan Brooks.
[2:26:18] Speaker 1: He's talking about, like, this is on court. This is
[2:26:21] Speaker 1: on court.
[2:26:21] Speaker 4: Holly's not doing all the shit that What's-Her-Name-Is-Saying he's doing, though.
[2:26:25] Speaker 4: Don't over-exaggerate Holly's shit-talking, because he's shit-talking like Trey Young shit-talks.
[2:26:30] Speaker 1: It's all subliminal. It's all the little shit that you
[2:26:32] Speaker 1: hate to see, but he ain't all out there talking
[2:26:35] Speaker 1: crazy and... When Trey Young's losing, he's still running his mouth.
[2:26:40] Speaker 4: Just like Shea still runs his mouth, Anthony Edwards still
[2:26:42] Speaker 4: running his mouth, Giannis still.
[2:26:44] Speaker 1: That's just how they play the game. His confidence... His business.
[2:26:48] Speaker 4: Is that he don't have no confidence when he's losing. Yes,
[2:26:51] Speaker 4: that's what he's saying, right? And them other.
[2:26:53] Speaker 1: Guys, they have to.
[2:26:57] Speaker 2: The people that you named, they have MVPs to stand on.
[2:27:02] Speaker 2: They have other things to stand on.
[2:27:04] Speaker 1: So when.
[2:27:05] Speaker 2: People can try to, if they don't want to talk
[2:27:09] Speaker 2: or if they do behave a certain way, they're like, motherfucker,
[2:27:11] Speaker 2: I didn't want to fuck you.
[2:27:12] Speaker 1: Right? They had that. He don't have that yet.
[2:27:16] Speaker 2: So it's more sensitive and it's real time. But like
[2:27:20] Speaker 2: I said, I'm trying not to think about it being
[2:27:23] Speaker 2: a personal matter, but it's giving me that.
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: He think he all that. That's all I needed to hear.
[2:27:31] Speaker 1: I hear that all the time.
[2:27:33] Speaker 5: I hear it in the circles, the birds chirping, and
[2:27:35] Speaker 5: everybody's saying it.
[2:27:36] Speaker 1: Man, who the fuck this nigga with the crown think
[2:27:38] Speaker 1: he is? hmm huh y'all got him still on the
[2:27:42] Speaker 1: show he ain't never did shit watch me though They're watching.
[2:27:50] Speaker 1: That's all they got to do. I guess to spin it,
[2:27:53] Speaker 1: we talked the Dylan Brooks side of it, right? Brooks
[2:27:55] Speaker 1: did all poking the bears, doing all that stuff. Team loss.
[2:27:58] Speaker 1: I'm not talking to media. I'm just going to walk off. Yeah,
[2:28:00] Speaker 1: that's Paula. When I see Howley lose, I don't see
[2:28:02] Speaker 1: him duck the media. But we don't know what he's
[2:28:03] Speaker 1: talking on the court, though. Yeah.
[2:28:05] Speaker 4: Right?
[2:28:05] Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. If I'm hitting shots and
[2:28:08] Speaker 1: I'm talking shit, but then when I'm not hitting shots,
[2:28:13] Speaker 1: I'm quiet. Gil, do you talk shit when you lose? Yes. Yes.
[2:28:17] Speaker 1: When you was losing to me, you was never talking shit.
[2:28:18] Speaker 1: You was leaving. Losing to you what?
[2:28:20] Speaker 5: In the game, in there, when I was winning that
[2:28:23] Speaker 5: trophy or bringing that bitch in here every weekend. You
[2:28:25] Speaker 5: never was talking shit when you was losing.
[2:28:28] Speaker 1: You never played me one-on-one on... What are you talking about?
[2:28:31] Speaker 1: Never mind. Remember when I lost?
[2:28:34] Speaker 4: Remember when I lost, I kept challenging you and you
[2:28:37] Speaker 4: never showed?
[2:28:38] Speaker 1: No. No? That wasn't the thing? Nope. Because the three-point
[2:28:41] Speaker 1: contest and we did the contest.
[2:28:43] Speaker 4: Remember, we had to have, I had to put money up.
[2:28:44] Speaker 4: But you didn't talk shit. What I'm saying is I
[2:28:46] Speaker 4: had to put money. You didn't talk shit.
[2:28:47] Speaker 1: Yes, I talked shit. No. I had one and I've
[2:28:49] Speaker 1: been talking shit still. When you lost in the shootout,
[2:28:51] Speaker 1: you did not talk shit. I had one and I'm
[2:28:52] Speaker 1: still talking shit. What are you talking about? When you
[2:28:54] Speaker 1: lost in the shootout, you never talked shit the next day.
[2:28:56] Speaker 1: Who wasn't? You. There's nothing to talk shit about. I
[2:28:58] Speaker 1: came here talking shit.
[2:28:59] Speaker 6: You lost.
[2:29:00] Speaker 1: You lost. There was nothing to talk shit about. It
[2:29:02] Speaker 1: was me. I came in here talking shit still. It
[2:29:05] Speaker 1: wasn't talking nothing. And he never tried to re-up. And
[2:29:08] Speaker 1: he never tried to come back to the table. We
[2:29:10] Speaker 1: was upstairs. Hey, Gil, we shooting. Oh, no, we're not
[2:29:12] Speaker 1: shooting today. Oh, no, we're not shooting today. Two on two, Gil,
[2:29:16] Speaker 1: we're doing.
[2:29:17] Speaker 6: Oh, no.
[2:29:18] Speaker 1: No, I'm not. Are you on the show again? You're
[2:29:20] Speaker 1: not going to talk shit, though? I didn't even nick
[2:29:21] Speaker 1: my name. Agent 12? I didn't name myself Agent 12.
[2:29:24] Speaker 1: I told you that. Agent 12, Gilbrick. Gilbrick was awesome.
[2:29:28] Speaker 1: I was not doing the same. Gilbrick was awesome. Gilbrick
[2:29:31] Speaker 1: was awesome. Talking shit still. That's not talking shit, man.
[2:29:33] Speaker 1: That's not talking shit to me. Talking shit is saying,
[2:29:37] Speaker 1: I'm going to beat your ass. Regardless when we play. Nigga,
[2:29:40] Speaker 1: I work every fucking 430 days. Nigga, you ain't got
[2:29:43] Speaker 1: a fucking... That's talking shit. Now, when I get in
[2:29:45] Speaker 1: here and I beat your ass and I don't hear
[2:29:47] Speaker 1: none of that shit, that's the same shit we talking
[2:29:50] Speaker 1: about right now. That's a lie. Because you never did.
[2:29:52] Speaker 1: You won the game.
[2:29:53] Speaker 4: You won the game on how you won there. And
[2:29:55] Speaker 4: I talk shit for... I had to create a shooting
[2:29:59] Speaker 4: match for you to get out there.
[2:30:01] Speaker 1: That's how much shit I was talking. What are you
[2:30:04] Speaker 1: talking about? Everybody knows. Everybody knows. Am I wrong? Did
[2:30:10] Speaker 1: we not create a whole shootout because you didn't want
[2:30:12] Speaker 1: the combat? We did Larry Day. He didn't show up.
[2:30:16] Speaker 1: You didn't invite me. You live here. You told me
[2:30:18] Speaker 1: run around, move around. You live here. Move around. You
[2:30:22] Speaker 1: live here. You told me to move around. What are
[2:30:23] Speaker 1: you talking about? You were there. He said you live here.
[2:30:27] Speaker 1: We yelling at the back. We was yelling like, hey, Gil,
[2:30:29] Speaker 1: come down, bro. Come on, bro. Me and Nick. Hey, Nick.
[2:30:33] Speaker 1: Get Gil. Where Gil at? What they saying, Chad? Come on,
[2:30:36] Speaker 1: tell them. Talking. I actually never talked when I won.
[2:30:45] Speaker 6: We got to run this back.
[2:30:48] Speaker 1: When I won in bowling, I didn't say nothing. When
[2:30:51] Speaker 1: I won in bowling, I didn't talk no shit. Didn't
[2:30:55] Speaker 1: talk no shit. Didn't talk no shit. Guess who talked shit, though?
[2:30:58] Speaker 1: You want to beat you, though? He didn't say nothing
[2:31:00] Speaker 1: in bowling. People didn't even know we bowled.
[2:31:01] Speaker 6: I got to see it and believe it.
[2:31:02] Speaker 1: We need nobody to know we bowled. Guess who talked shit, though? You?
[2:31:06] Speaker 6: I know you.
[2:31:07] Speaker 1: Guess when I don't talk shit. When you lose. Guess
[2:31:10] Speaker 1: when I lose. When you lose. Never. Never.
[2:31:13] Speaker 6: You ain't lost yet?
[2:31:14] Speaker 1: Never, nigga. Never. Child, you've never lost. Never. LaVar Ball. Never.
[2:31:20] Speaker 1: I beat his ass so bad in bowling. Hmm. That
[2:31:25] Speaker 1: I had to tell, started off three strikes, had to
[2:31:27] Speaker 1: tell my girl, I'm going to just let him win
[2:31:29] Speaker 1: so we can get out of here. We had a
[2:31:32] Speaker 1: warm up, beat the fuck out of him. He said,
[2:31:34] Speaker 1: that don't count. Then we played again, beat the fuck
[2:31:37] Speaker 1: out of him. He's like, okay, you up 1-0. And
[2:31:40] Speaker 1: then we did a third one, three strikes.
[2:31:42] Speaker 4: I already see, I'm going to hand start doing this.
[2:31:46] Speaker 1: So I just opened up every frame. So we can leave.
[2:31:49] Speaker 1: He got his win. 1-1. We can go.
[2:31:51] Speaker 4: Y'all didn't even know we even bowled.
[2:31:53] Speaker 1: It was a month before it got mentioned. That's like
[2:31:55] Speaker 1: the Rocky Apollo Creed.
[2:31:58] Speaker 6: Nobody saw it.
[2:31:59] Speaker 1: Nobody saw it. But everybody know. And when a nigga
[2:32:01] Speaker 1: get to explaining. Did I say a lot?
[2:32:05] Speaker 6: Did I say a lot?
[2:32:07] Speaker 4: When a nigga get to explaining. When a nigga start capping.
[2:32:10] Speaker 1: You put that cap on. You say press play. What
[2:32:13] Speaker 1: happened first game then?
[2:32:14] Speaker 6: Who won?
[2:32:18] Speaker 4: Who won the practice game?
[2:32:24] Speaker 1: Tell him what you told me. Who won the practice game?
[2:32:27] Speaker 1: You told me, shot. Can't bowl until I get there,
[2:32:30] Speaker 1: so don't practice. So, yeah, don't practice. We both started
[2:32:34] Speaker 1: off fresh. Who won that game? Did I just buy
[2:32:36] Speaker 1: a ball? Who won the game? I just asked you
[2:32:38] Speaker 1: who won the game.
[2:32:39] Speaker 4: Now you're explaining. I just asked who won the practice game.
[2:32:42] Speaker 4: Who is Big Irma Cracker? Who won the practice game?
[2:32:45] Speaker 4: And then after the practice game and we had a
[2:32:46] Speaker 4: real game, who won that?
[2:32:47] Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just saying. So there was no cap.
[2:32:53] Speaker 1: There was no cap.
[2:32:53] Speaker 6: So it wasn't 1-1? Yeah, it was 1.
[2:32:54] Speaker 1: You said I capped.
[2:32:59] Speaker 6: We got to have the Gil game.
[2:33:01] Speaker 1: The Gil Olympics are in the works. And then you
[2:33:03] Speaker 1: just quit.
[2:33:05] Speaker 4: I hit three strikes. You start rubbing your hands, talking about, oh,
[2:33:09] Speaker 4: this is the wrong ball. And then I opened up
[2:33:11] Speaker 4: every frame. You started drinking three, four drinks in a row.
[2:33:15] Speaker 4: And then looked at your girl and said, look at
[2:33:17] Speaker 4: this nigga. He tried to make an excuse. He's going
[2:33:18] Speaker 4: to leave early.
[2:33:19] Speaker 1: I opened up every frame he walked. Because he was
[2:33:22] Speaker 1: getting drunk. He was missing. He was throwing his shit
[2:33:23] Speaker 1: in the gutter and shit. You want to be done
[2:33:26] Speaker 1: with me? Have there been no challenges? Of course not.
[2:33:30] Speaker 1: But I have a challenge. He ain't trying to break
[2:33:31] Speaker 1: that tie. I have a challenge for everybody in the chat.
[2:33:34] Speaker 1: Let's stick around for Mostly Fans. Hey, King. Presented by Underdog.
[2:33:37] Speaker 1: He ain't trying to break that tie. 1-1.
[2:33:39] Speaker 4: My boy ain't trying to break that tie.
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[2:33:54] Speaker 1: As I... Uh-huh, Roy. I'm Roy motherfucking Munson out there, bitch. See,
[2:34:01] Speaker 1: I ain't got too much. I don't got too much, bro.
[2:34:05] Speaker 1: I don't got too much. The energy is here. This
[2:34:08] Speaker 1: is the first time he was happy with a tie.
[2:34:11] Speaker 1: So we have an email question from underdog user Capoduce.
[2:34:15] Speaker 1: Would you trade the number one pick to Charlotte for
[2:34:18] Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball? That is our mostly fans question. No. Cooper for... Wait, wait, wait.
[2:34:25] Speaker 1: If you're a Dallas Maverick... If you're the Dallas... Who
[2:34:27] Speaker 1: has the number one picks, would you trade the number
[2:34:29] Speaker 1: one pick to Charlotte for the mellow ball knowing that
[2:34:31] Speaker 1: you need help with the guard position with Kyrie currently
[2:34:35] Speaker 1: recovering from his injury? Nope. You plan on moving Kyrie? Oh, man.
[2:34:45] Speaker 1: Because he's got to come back. Yeah, he's got to
[2:34:47] Speaker 1: come back. What's he going to do with that? To
[2:34:50] Speaker 1: the two?
[2:34:52] Speaker 5: No, Melo's not a two. You move Kyrie to the two.
[2:34:54] Speaker 5: Like he was with Luther. Yeah, you move Kyrie to
[2:34:57] Speaker 5: the two.
[2:34:58] Speaker 6: Melo's tough.
[2:35:00] Speaker 1: Melo is tough.
[2:35:02] Speaker 6: What Cooper could be.
[2:35:03] Speaker 1: Man, look at this, man. A big man, man, 6'10.
[2:35:07] Speaker 1: You can't duplicate that, man.
[2:35:11] Speaker 4: It's hard for me to take a big that has fundamentals,
[2:35:15] Speaker 4: that plays hard.
[2:35:16] Speaker 1: Fuck if he can average 30. He plays hard, right?
[2:35:20] Speaker 1: And to trade it for a guard... Is he just
[2:35:24] Speaker 1: a guard, though?
[2:35:25] Speaker 6: LaMelo?
[2:35:26] Speaker 1: LaMelo.
[2:35:27] Speaker 6: I mean, you have Kai.
[2:35:29] Speaker 5: But he's not just a regular guard. Like, he's not
[2:35:32] Speaker 5: just somebody you can just be like.
[2:35:34] Speaker 1: That's hard to coach, bro. You're sitting for Kade? I'm
[2:35:37] Speaker 1: just going to be, hell, fuck no. Who? Mello for Kade?
[2:35:41] Speaker 1: Fuck no. Kade a winner. No, no, no. That's what
[2:35:44] Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you're, no, I'm saying no, no, no.
[2:35:46] Speaker 1: If you're Dallas. Oh, if you're Dallas. Yeah. Who?
[2:35:50] Speaker 4: The number one pick for Cade. Yes, I would do that. Absolutely.
[2:35:54] Speaker 4: He moves the needle. That's what I'm saying.
[2:35:56] Speaker 1: You would make that phone call. He moves the needle.
[2:35:59] Speaker 1: Don't you think he fits where he at?
[2:36:01] Speaker 4: No, I'm just saying if you're going to trade for
[2:36:03] Speaker 4: a point guard.
[2:36:04] Speaker 1: If you were to trade for somebody, would I? Yes.
[2:36:07] Speaker 4: You're saying LaMelo know that's hard to coach. So I
[2:36:09] Speaker 4: said Cade and he's like yes. LaMelo hard to coach.
[2:36:14] Speaker 1: The style. The style is hard to coach. Cooper fit
[2:36:17] Speaker 1: in Detroit. No, no, no.
[2:36:19] Speaker 4: No one gives a fuck about Charlotte.
[2:36:22] Speaker 2: We're just saying. I don't care if he fit over
[2:36:24] Speaker 2: there or not. He just happened with our trade. The
[2:36:26] Speaker 2: number one pick for Cade. I don't give a fuck
[2:36:28] Speaker 2: how Cooper Flagg fits over there.
[2:36:29] Speaker 1: We're talking about your Dallas right now.
[2:36:31] Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm Dallas. You're getting back Cade. Oh, so we're
[2:36:34] Speaker 5: not thinking about Detroit. Not at all.
[2:36:36] Speaker 1: We're not thinking about Detroit hanging the phone up. Whatsoever.
[2:36:38] Speaker 2: Not thinking about them whatsoever. It's solely how Dallas will
[2:36:41] Speaker 2: look with Cade cutting in.
[2:36:44] Speaker 1: Moving forward. Yes. I'm a fan. You can play K.
[2:36:48] Speaker 5: That's like getting Brandon Roy.
[2:36:50] Speaker 6: Who's at the two right now in Dallas?
[2:36:52] Speaker 1: That's tough. That's the problem. Klay?
[2:36:54] Speaker 6: Yeah, that is the problem.
[2:36:55] Speaker 1: You got to ask that question. Klay's got to be
[2:36:57] Speaker 1: the three. Klay's the two. P.J. Washington's the three. Oh, P.J.
[2:37:00] Speaker 6: Washington's the three.
[2:37:00] Speaker 1: So it would push K. to the one, Kyle to
[2:37:03] Speaker 1: the two. Yeah, they need a shooting guard or something.
[2:37:05] Speaker 1: Klay to the three. No, I wouldn't trade him for LaMelo. No,
[2:37:07] Speaker 1: I would not. All right. All right, well, before we go, Flawless,
[2:37:11] Speaker 1: please let the people know where they can find you at.
[2:37:13] Speaker 1: They want to check your music out.
[2:37:14] Speaker 12: And you guys can find me at FlawlessRI on all
[2:37:17] Speaker 12: social media, FlawlessMusic.com. And I appreciate you guys for having
[2:37:21] Speaker 12: me and having a good time.
[2:37:22] Speaker 1: Appreciate you pulling up. High-level basketball knowledge fit right in
[2:37:26] Speaker 1: on the couch, man. Thank you, man. I'm a big
[2:37:28] Speaker 1: fan of your stuff, so make sure everybody out there, y'all,
[2:37:30] Speaker 1: go support Flawless. Check them out, man. We got Press
[2:37:32] Speaker 1: Play coming soon, baby boy. It's the music platform, and
[2:37:36] Speaker 1: we're going to be having a lot of freestyles and shit.
[2:37:39] Speaker 1: The collab.
[2:37:40] Speaker 4: The collab the people need.
[2:37:42] Speaker 1: Before we go, Kane, you got something you'd like to say?
[2:37:44] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, man. Today, my anniversary. Man, I want
[2:37:47] Speaker 1: to say happy anniversary to you. Yeah!
[2:37:52] Speaker 4: The distinguished gentleman tonight, bro.
[2:37:56] Speaker 1: Tonight, bro! Stupid as fuck. Rose is the name, boy.
[2:38:01] Speaker 1: You better have it out.
[2:38:03] Speaker 2: When people say, like, people speak of a significant other,
[2:38:06] Speaker 2: they say better half.
[2:38:07] Speaker 1: Like, nah, she my better half, bro. Because without her, listen,
[2:38:10] Speaker 1: no one knows who this shit would be. Like, for
[2:38:13] Speaker 1: the last 19 years. You know, we've all been choked
[2:38:16] Speaker 1: the fuck up by now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know,
[2:38:20] Speaker 1: we know. Can you trust us? We know.
[2:38:23] Speaker 2: Oh, no, she's definitely the voice of reason. No, she
[2:38:25] Speaker 2: talks to me off the ledge daily, man. And if
[2:38:29] Speaker 2: nobody can get to me, she can, because she's been
[2:38:32] Speaker 2: around me the longest. Like 19 together, nine married, man.
[2:38:36] Speaker 1: So it's, yeah. So she did a big dealing with me.
[2:38:39] Speaker 1: All right. Before we got, so yeah. Yeah, before. Shout out. Yeah, beforehand, yeah.
[2:38:43] Speaker 1: So happy anniversary, man. Dope. Shout out. See you. doing that.
[2:38:48] Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody in the chat. He gonna cry
[2:38:51] Speaker 1: when it cut off. No, no, no.
[2:38:59] Speaker 6: No.
[2:38:59] Speaker 1: No. I didn't even make it to I do. She
[2:39:03] Speaker 1: walked down the aisle.
[2:39:06] Speaker 2: So this is, if you ain't never been there, man,
[2:39:08] Speaker 2: like when you didn't put somebody through shit and they
[2:39:11] Speaker 2: stuck up with.
[2:39:11] Speaker 1: You, oh, listen, bro.
[2:39:14] Speaker 4: Like seeing her walk down the aisle and steal to
[2:39:15] Speaker 4: that point, Smiling and shit. Not just was willing to
[2:39:19] Speaker 4: put up with me all that time. They can still
[2:39:20] Speaker 4: marry me. Oh, man, I put so much shit on
[2:39:22] Speaker 4: the table with this woman, boy. For her to still
[2:39:25] Speaker 4: say I do? Man, if you ain't listen, dog.
[2:39:28] Speaker 1: So, yeah. Well, happy anniversary. Again, appreciate everybody in the
[2:39:31] Speaker 1: chat for pulling up the show. Flawless. Dinner on Underdog.
[2:39:34] Speaker 1: Wherever you go. Underdog, put the card down. No book.
[2:39:36] Speaker 1: Put the card down.
[2:39:37] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:39:38] Speaker 1: Gil said it. Gil said it, so you got to
[2:39:41] Speaker 1: do it. Gil said he'd do it. But this has
[2:39:44] Speaker 1: been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. We
[2:39:47] Speaker 1: will see y'all tomorrow.

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