# Victor Wembanyama's MVP Push SETS OFF Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 26 Mar 2026, 2 h 09 min.

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Victor Wembanyama's MVP Push SETS OFF Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to the San Antonio Spurs superstar continuing to pitch his case for NBA MVP as he dominates both sides of the court and debate if the french phenom is spitting or tripping with his take that he deserves the honor over Shai Gilgeous Alexander and Nikola Jokic. Next, they react to the NBA Players Association requesting to abolish the NBA's 65 game minimum rule for major awards as players like Cade Cunningham, Nikola Jokic, and Luka Doncic are dangerously close to missing out on top honors during career seasons and discuss what the league can do to make things fair while also curbing the NBA's tanking epidemic. They also break down how the Detroit Pistons are faring without their MVP Candidate in Cade Cunningham as they continue to look like the top team in the east without Cade and react to LeBron James adding another milestone to his legacy as the King passed Robert Parish for the most games played in NBA History. Finally, they give their takes on another milestone for Kevin Durant as KD passed Michael Jordan for the 5th most points scored in NBA History and discuss where this accomplishment places Durant amongst the purest scorers in the league by breaking down Bleacher Report's Top 15 pure scorers list. PLEASE Give us a LIKE and SUBSCRIBE!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Brandon Jennings, Swaggy P, Skop Bayless & Kenyon Martin Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... If prescribed, new sexual health patients get $15 off their first order of Sparks on a recurring plan. Connect with a provider at https://ro.co/arena to find out if prescription Ro Sparks are right for you. Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/arena. Application times may vary. Rates may vary. SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:58 Wemby Continues To Pitch His MVP Case 0:09:11 Luka Is The NBA's Best Offensive Player 0:38:32 Players Association Bashes The 65-Game Minimum 0:47:41 LeBron Plays The Most Games In NBA History 1:26:26 Kevin Durant Passes Jordan In Scoring 1:47:54 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog World. Oh,
[0:09] Speaker 1: glorious day here in the arena. Full couch. Gil's like
[0:13] Speaker 1: 83 degrees outside. Huh? That look cool, don't it?
[0:20] Speaker 2: He said, huh?
[0:22] Speaker 1: Fashion.
[0:23] Speaker 3: Everybody else, you wouldn't know it. Everybody was short, short,
[0:26] Speaker 3: short sleeve, short jacket. These is not shorts. No, them
[0:31] Speaker 3: the ones you throw on to go answer the door.
[0:33] Speaker 3: Them sex shorts.
[0:34] Speaker 4: Or back in when we played, them the ones you
[0:36] Speaker 4: wear under your jeans for draws.
[0:38] Speaker 1: The gray? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the gray. Draws or
[0:41] Speaker 1: hoop shorts.
[0:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, them the ones you throw on, yeah, when you
[0:44] Speaker 3: got to, you know.
[0:45] Speaker 1: Red socks, though?
[0:48] Speaker 5: Huh?
[0:48] Speaker 2: Red socks?
[0:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, the match. He whooping.
[0:53] Speaker 2: Wait, did you go anywhere, like to a story?
[0:55] Speaker 1: Hell no.
[0:56] Speaker 2: How about today? What?
[1:00] Speaker 1: This is Los Angeles.
[1:01] Speaker 2: But sure.
[1:03] Speaker 1: Magic. Bopping for gas. He in the valley. He good.
[1:08] Speaker 1: He's in the valley. He's good. We're in North Hollywood, man. Okay.
[1:13] Speaker 1: They look rough out here. Wicked.
[1:18] Speaker 2: Wicked.
[1:18] Speaker 1: That's my neighborhood.
[1:21] Speaker 3: Dudes ain't on colors like that no more.
[1:22] Speaker 6: We're not on that side of town.
[1:25] Speaker 3: You ain't throwing up sets and all that.
[1:27] Speaker 1: You think you'll be all right. Yeah, you ain't had
[1:29] Speaker 1: on us out of town. And I'm old, too, so
[1:31] Speaker 1: it is. You ain't throwing nothing up. I'm colorblind. I'm colorblind.
[1:37] Speaker 1: Bugging people. Going standing on the block with your gangster stands.
[1:41] Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're looking for problems.
[1:45] Speaker 6: He go anywhere. He stop the gas going.
[1:49] Speaker 1: But this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. I'm merely
[1:52] Speaker 1: a host, Josiah Johnson. We got NBA legend, Arc Raiders,
[1:55] Speaker 1: Most Wanted, Gilbert Arenas here with us. Yeah. You're not
[1:58] Speaker 1: much on it? Oh, no, no. I'm similar as one.
[2:01] Speaker 4: Okay.
[2:01] Speaker 1: I'm similar as one. Not an NBA legend? No.
[2:04] Speaker 4: No, it was something else. I was going to ask you, like,
[2:07] Speaker 4: do you remember your lines? It was like, I think
[2:09] Speaker 4: you got so comfortable with the.
[2:14] Speaker 1: You got so comfortable with just... See you next year.
[2:17] Speaker 1: We got NBA champion of the world, swaggy Pete Nick
[2:19] Speaker 1: Young back with us. Yeah. Mr. 10 Day. I'm looking
[2:24] Speaker 1: for a 10. Mr. 10, currently looking for a 10 day.
[2:26] Speaker 1: If you or somebody you know has a 10 day
[2:27] Speaker 1: contract That you would like to give to Swaggy. Because
[2:30] Speaker 1: you are no longer playoff eligible, sir. Oh, yeah, you're right.
[2:34] Speaker 1: Summer League. He didn't get waived.
[2:38] Speaker 6: He wasn't under contract, so he didn't get waived.
[2:42] Speaker 2: He did.
[2:42] Speaker 1: Denver waived the shit out of him.
[2:44] Speaker 3: He can get picked up now.
[2:45] Speaker 1: Denver waived him. Lifetime waive.
[2:48] Speaker 6: No, I could get picked up. I'm waiting on somebody
[2:50] Speaker 6: to pick me up for a playoff spot.
[2:53] Speaker 1: Me too, Swaggy.
[2:53] Speaker 3: That's a horrible feeling too, just so y'all know.
[2:55] Speaker 1: Which one? Getting waived and shit.
[2:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[2:58] Speaker 1: The Denver waved them. Then they won the championship.
[3:03] Speaker 2: So I won the championship. You know how they sent
[3:06] Speaker 2: me the ring?
[3:06] Speaker 1: No, they didn't. Yes, they did. You'd be wearing it.
[3:08] Speaker 2: I got two rings.
[3:10] Speaker 1: No, you don't.
[3:12] Speaker 2: Two rings.
[3:13] Speaker 1: You would have showed me. As much shit as we
[3:15] Speaker 1: talked in here, you would have showed me.
[3:16] Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
[3:18] Speaker 1: That's why. But I don't count that. You count the
[3:21] Speaker 1: first one.
[3:23] Speaker 6: The first one I played, this one I got way
[3:25] Speaker 6: before the playoff run.
[3:27] Speaker 3: Gil, as much shit as we talked about that one ring,
[3:29] Speaker 3: I don't think he would have showed up with another
[3:31] Speaker 3: one by now.
[3:31] Speaker 6: No, I don't want y'all to feel like that. But
[3:33] Speaker 6: that's why I do this. It's a bad feeling when
[3:36] Speaker 6: y'all can't win at all. And I can win when
[3:38] Speaker 6: I don't.
[3:39] Speaker 1: So they sent it to you or you went to
[3:40] Speaker 1: the ring and got it?
[3:41] Speaker 2: I didn't want to do that.
[3:42] Speaker 1: Not the dimmer. I didn't really... See you the next Swaggy.
[3:46] Speaker 1: We got one of the titans of the sports media game.
[3:49] Speaker 1: Skip Bayless back in the building here at Gills Arena.
[3:55] Speaker 7: You guys got to take it easier on me today
[3:57] Speaker 7: than you did last week because this man over here,
[3:59] Speaker 7: he just chewed me up and spat me.
[4:02] Speaker 5: He ain't here, so you're good. You're good. You got
[4:06] Speaker 5: to worry about him not here. We got to skip
[4:08] Speaker 5: some theme music, man. What would you like your theme
[4:13] Speaker 5: music to be?
[4:13] Speaker 1: Jordan. Bulls theme music. The Bulls anthem. The Bulls anthem.
[4:19] Speaker 1: The Bulls anthem. That would work. We will try and
[4:23] Speaker 1: get that clear. All right. From our music department, on
[4:26] Speaker 1: this side of the couch, we've got the distinguished gentleman
[4:27] Speaker 1: from Oak Cliff, former number one pick, Kenya Martin.
[4:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[4:30] Speaker 1: Last but not least. Arguably the best golfer on the couch,
[4:39] Speaker 1: representing tough crowd, card-carrying country club member, we got Mr. B,
[4:43] Speaker 1: Brandon Jennings, Tiger Wolf.
[4:48] Speaker 7: I got to go.
[4:48] Speaker 1: I know. I was going to say right now, right here. Swaggy,
[4:53] Speaker 1: when did you play with him? No, no, no, no, no. Skip. Skip.
[4:56] Speaker 1: What about Skip? Skip is the best golfer.
[4:58] Speaker 6: Yeah, skip me because I didn't want to answer that question.
[5:00] Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, that's last place. Just because he
[5:05] Speaker 1: wears the outfit don't mean he's good in the outfit.
[5:08] Speaker 1: That's how you fall flagging with the golf?
[5:10] Speaker 4: When you go to the basketball court, the person who
[5:11] Speaker 4: has on everything MJ, the shoes, the socks, just everything
[5:17] Speaker 4: Michael Jordan, that's him in golf.
[5:20] Speaker 1: He look good. The pictures come out great. The photos,
[5:23] Speaker 1: the feet, you know.
[5:24] Speaker 2: That's crazy. He don't post videos.
[5:29] Speaker 1: He only post pictures. No, I post videos too. One
[5:32] Speaker 1: day he sent me a picture. You know how it
[5:35] Speaker 1: kind of got like the, if you hold it, it
[5:37] Speaker 1: kind of plays. That is true.
[5:43] Speaker 8: When you hold it, you.
[5:44] Speaker 1: Saw what happened. That's cool.
[5:46] Speaker 9: Y'all can't see me.
[5:48] Speaker 1: Look at my back swing. Before we move on, Swaggy,
[5:51] Speaker 1: when did you play with the Denver Nuggets?
[5:52] Speaker 2: I don't remember.
[5:53] Speaker 1: You don't remember? The year they won the championship.
[5:55] Speaker 2: Really?
[5:56] Speaker 1: Yes. I'm just agreeing with him. You're a member of
[6:00] Speaker 1: the Denver Nuggets in 2018, sir.
[6:03] Speaker 2: Oh, we didn't win that year? No.
[6:05] Speaker 4: Oh.
[6:05] Speaker 1: Did not. I lied. Oh, bullshit, y'all.
[6:13] Speaker 10: You just can't say shit. People can fact check, dog.
[6:16] Speaker 10: You really know that, right? But we got a lot
[6:18] Speaker 10: to get into today. Here's what's cracking in Gil's arena.
[6:24] Speaker 10: So Wimby made his case for why he should be
[6:26] Speaker 10: the MVP this season. But is the alien spitting or tripping?
[6:30] Speaker 10: He did have a three-tiered approach to why he should
[6:32] Speaker 10: be the MVP.
[6:34] Speaker 1: He got the mic. It's his time to shine. NBA
[6:37] Speaker 1: Players Association clap back at the League 65 game rule
[6:41] Speaker 1: or change is coming or is it here to stay?
[6:43] Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, one of the most efficient bucket getters in
[6:46] Speaker 1: NBA history, but where does KD stack up against the
[6:48] Speaker 1: all-time greats? Before we get into all that, as always,
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[7:11] Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. So, San Antonio Spurs been
[7:14] Speaker 1: cooking since February 1st. The who? The San Antonio Spurs.
[7:17] Speaker 1: Can you no player fuck up? I was fucked up too.
[7:19] Speaker 3: That was a good one.
[7:20] Speaker 1: Thank you. Spurs been cooking since February 1st. Going to
[7:24] Speaker 1: NBA best 22-2 in their last 24 games. Just three
[7:28] Speaker 1: games behind the Thunder for the top spot in the West.
[7:30] Speaker 1: With 10 games left in the season, Wimby has emerged
[7:33] Speaker 1: as a viable MVP candidate and one of, if not the,
[7:36] Speaker 1: best two-way players in the league. After San Antonio's blowout
[7:40] Speaker 1: win over the Heat in South Beach Monday to clinch
[7:46] Speaker 1: their first Southwest Division title since 2017, Wimby was asked
[7:50] Speaker 1: to make his case for why he should be the
[7:51] Speaker 1: MVP this season.
[7:55] Speaker 8: My first one would be that defense is 50% of
[7:59] Speaker 8: the game. and that it is undervalued so far in
[8:04] Speaker 8: the MVP race.
[8:07] Speaker 1: Because I.
[8:08] Speaker 8: Believe I'm the most impactful player defensively in the league.
[8:14] Speaker 8: Second argument would be that we almost swept OKC in
[8:21] Speaker 8: the season and we dominated them three times with their
[8:24] Speaker 8: real team and four times with more rotation players. And
[8:31] Speaker 8: my third argument would be that.
[8:36] Speaker 1: Offense impact is not just points. Three arguments there. To
[8:43] Speaker 1: Wimby's points, he is the most valuable defender in the league,
[8:46] Speaker 1: current frontrunner to win his first defensive player of the year.
[8:49] Speaker 1: The Spurs did go 4-1 against the Thunder this season,
[8:52] Speaker 1: and his offense of impact does go well beyond just points.
[8:55] Speaker 1: The Alien averaging 24 points, 11 rebounds, three blocks, and
[8:58] Speaker 1: a steal in 57 games this season. while playing just
[9:01] Speaker 1: over 29 minutes per game. So Wimby currently has the
[9:04] Speaker 1: highest net rating in the league at 16.6, with SGA
[9:08] Speaker 1: a close second at 14.9. But SGA has a higher
[9:11] Speaker 1: player efficiency rating than Wimby, with Jokic currently leading the
[9:14] Speaker 1: league in that category. So Gil, we'll start with you first.
[9:17] Speaker 1: Wimby spitting or tripping with his MVP case?
[9:23] Speaker 4: Look, it's the same argument I had for Shea, was
[9:28] Speaker 4: it two years ago, where.
[9:31] Speaker 4: The voters had them coming into the NBA, you know,
[9:35] Speaker 4: preseason 10th in the West and they were number one
[9:40] Speaker 4: and he was the best player with the young team.
[9:45] Speaker 4: And it's the same case here where no one had Spurs,
[9:49] Speaker 4: you know, fighting for the top spot in the NBA.
[9:53] Speaker 4: And the fact that Wimby is the best player, he
[9:55] Speaker 4: is a two-way player more defensively than offensively as of
[10:00] Speaker 4: right now. But two years from now, obviously, he's going
[10:03] Speaker 4: to be taking over everything.
[10:06] Speaker 1: He does have a case.
[10:07] Speaker 4: I mean, he's behind, but you can give him two
[10:12] Speaker 4: if he's two or three. It just seems like his
[10:18] Speaker 4: catch-up game He's going to have to give you a
[10:22] Speaker 4: couple 50s here and there. I mean, to really, you know,
[10:26] Speaker 4: give a real run for Shea. You know, it seems
[10:28] Speaker 4: like Shea has it locked in. It's his to lose, right?
[10:33] Speaker 4: If Wimby goes out there, have a 40-20-20 and fucking
[10:38] Speaker 4: 10-block game.
[10:39] Speaker 1: Then, you know, we're talking.
[10:41] Speaker 4: But, you know, right now he can't argue that he
[10:43] Speaker 4: should be, you know, in this conversation. But the fact
[10:48] Speaker 4: that he has to speak on it lets you know
[10:50] Speaker 4: that no one's really considering it because Shea ain't said shit,
[10:55] Speaker 4: but just go out there.
[10:56] Speaker 1: And do what he does. Swag, let's move on to you.
[11:00] Speaker 1: What do you think about Wimby making his case for
[11:04] Speaker 1: the MVP? I don't know.
[11:06] Speaker 6: I don't like that he keep pleading and begging for it.
[11:10] Speaker 6: But the fact that he mentioned defense, I feel like
[11:13] Speaker 6: the MVP is not a defense award. That's the defensive player.
[11:18] Speaker 6: I feel like when you look at the MVPs, it's
[11:22] Speaker 6: more of the offensive side. And you talk about Joker
[11:26] Speaker 6: with the triple doubles, uh, averaging, talking about Shea averaging 30-something. Luka,
[11:34] Speaker 6: almost a triple double. You know, um, these guys is flirting,
[11:39] Speaker 6: flirting with 50, they can triple 50 points a day.
[11:43] Speaker 2: You know, offenses are more.
[11:45] Speaker 6: You know, so, um, I think we're trying to give
[11:48] Speaker 6: Wimby too much too early. He's going to for sure
[11:52] Speaker 6: be an MVP one day. But right now, I don't
[11:57] Speaker 6: like that he's begging for it.
[11:59] Speaker 1: I mean, he was asked the question, so he simply
[12:01] Speaker 1: answered the question. You can brush it off.
[12:03] Speaker 6: You don't have to give reasons why you should be MVP.
[12:08] Speaker 6: You could say something.
[12:12] Speaker 2: Real smooth and easy. I deserve it.
[12:14] Speaker 1: That's why.
[12:14] Speaker 2: And keep it pushing. Okay.
[12:17] Speaker 1: So, Craig Boo, let's move over to you, Skip. Had
[12:19] Speaker 1: you on this couch last week, talked a little to Wimby.
[12:21] Speaker 1: We did. Yeah, I believe at that point you said
[12:23] Speaker 1: you didn't think he was a viable MVP candidate. What
[12:26] Speaker 1: do you think when you hear Wimby giving his three
[12:29] Speaker 1: arguments for why he should be MVP this season?
[12:32] Speaker 7: I'm with Nick on this. This young man, to me,
[12:38] Speaker 7: because he's been campaigning now several times for several weeks, is–
[12:44] Speaker 7: is getting dangerously full of himself a little prematurely. That
[12:49] Speaker 7: he's starting to believe he is the alien, that he
[12:53] Speaker 7: does already own this league.
[12:57] Speaker 1: And I.
[12:58] Speaker 7: Remind everybody, he still hadn't played one single playoff game
[13:03] Speaker 7: in his life, not one. And I would remind everybody
[13:07] Speaker 7: that that if you look at his regular season one
[13:13] Speaker 7: loss record in three years of pro basketball, it's 84-90.
[13:16] Speaker 7: And I know the first two years he wasn't surrounded
[13:20] Speaker 7: by quite the talent that he has now. But he
[13:22] Speaker 7: did not dominate in the first two years. And this year,
[13:28] Speaker 7: his blocks per game, just for the record, I'm not exaggerating,
[13:31] Speaker 7: they have fallen almost a full block per game this year.
[13:36] Speaker 7: And that's a dramatic drop if you know total blocks
[13:39] Speaker 7: for a season. And he's clearly still the best defensive player,
[13:43] Speaker 7: and he is dominating, and he is overwhelming and overpowering.
[13:46] Speaker 7: I got you. And he will win defensive player of
[13:49] Speaker 7: the year, run away. But Shea Gilgis Alexander is going
[13:53] Speaker 7: to win most valuable player, run away. Because just look
[13:59] Speaker 7: at the odds right now. He's minus 900. Wimby's third
[14:02] Speaker 7: in the odds at plus 1,200. It's like the Grand
[14:05] Speaker 7: Canyon gap between those two. And Just for the record,
[14:11] Speaker 7: this is dangerous because I promise you SGA is listening
[14:16] Speaker 7: and taking notes right now about everything that Wimby is saying.
[14:21] Speaker 7: And just for the record, even though Wimby's team has
[14:24] Speaker 7: won six in a row, Oklahoma City has now won
[14:28] Speaker 7: 12 in a row and is still three games up
[14:31] Speaker 7: on San Antonio. So if San Antonio were three or
[14:34] Speaker 7: six or nine games up, you'd have me. But you
[14:36] Speaker 7: don't have me now. And the truth is, the God's
[14:40] Speaker 7: truth is that SGA, the reigning MVP and the reigning
[14:44] Speaker 7: finals MVP, is having an even better season this year
[14:50] Speaker 7: than he had a year ago. He's all the way
[14:53] Speaker 7: up to 39% from three. Each of the last six years,
[14:57] Speaker 7: he's gotten better from three. That's a beautiful thing to see.
[15:01] Speaker 7: And 39% plus every clutch number in the books, all
[15:06] Speaker 7: the last five minutes of late and close games, he
[15:09] Speaker 7: is number one in the league in every single category.
[15:14] Speaker 7: And on top of that, he had to deal with
[15:17] Speaker 7: the pressure of breaking an unbreakable Wilt record. It's just unbreakable.
[15:22] Speaker 1: It's impossible. And he did it.
[15:23] Speaker 7: And now he's six games past Wilt in scoring 20
[15:27] Speaker 7: a game. What is he, all the way up to
[15:30] Speaker 7: 132 in a row? It's ridiculous. And he had to
[15:34] Speaker 7: do it this year with Oklahoma City not having their
[15:37] Speaker 7: second-best player, an all-star and a second-team all-defense player in
[15:41] Speaker 7: Jalen Williams, for 45 games. 45 games without him? So,
[15:46] Speaker 7: to me, SGA, the other two things about him that
[15:52] Speaker 7: people don't know, he leads the league in points-off drives.
[15:56] Speaker 7: He leads the league, and he leads the league... in
[16:00] Speaker 7: mid-range shooting percentage. So he's number one in the league
[16:04] Speaker 7: at 58% shooting mid-range jump shots. I mean, these are ridiculous.
[16:07] Speaker 7: He's having a better year this year than he had
[16:10] Speaker 7: last year. So he can campaign all he wants, but
[16:14] Speaker 7: he might be campaigning San Antonio into a bigger and
[16:18] Speaker 7: bigger bind for the postseason.
[16:22] Speaker 1: Okay. There we go. Let's get going. Let's shift over
[16:25] Speaker 1: to this side of the couch to the distinguished gentleman
[16:27] Speaker 1: from Oak Cliff. You hear Wimby. out here campaigning to
[16:30] Speaker 1: win MVP, presenting three separate arguments. What's your reaction to that?
[16:35] Speaker 1: And do you think he is worthy of that distinction?
[16:41] Speaker 3: He was asked a question first and foremost. So I'm
[16:43] Speaker 3: pretty sure it was, we're campaigning for you, so what
[16:48] Speaker 3: are your thoughts?
[16:51] Speaker 1: But he's brought it up before. I want to be
[16:53] Speaker 1: a defense player. You're MVP. I want to win it all.
[16:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
[16:56] Speaker 3: Young guys who've come in with this much hype and talent, yeah,
[17:01] Speaker 3: that's been their thought process. Has he done enough this
[17:06] Speaker 3: season to surpass Shea? I don't think so.
[17:10] Speaker 1: Has he put his team in a great position for
[17:13] Speaker 1: the postseason?
[17:14] Speaker 3: Absolutely. He is the best defender in the NBA, without
[17:19] Speaker 3: a doubt. He affects the game the most, should I say, defensively. But, yeah,
[17:27] Speaker 3: I don't think he's done enough to surpass Jalen Brown
[17:32] Speaker 3: or Cade Cunningham for MVP. Just from what they've done
[17:36] Speaker 3: for their teams and especially Jalen Brown. Him holding the
[17:41] Speaker 3: fort down all season when Jason Tatum was out. I
[17:43] Speaker 3: don't think Wimby has done more for his team than
[17:47] Speaker 3: being in the second. just like y'all are in second.
[17:49] Speaker 3: I would vote for Jalen Brown before a win, before
[17:52] Speaker 3: MVP in that regard. Doing what he's supposed to to
[17:57] Speaker 3: help his team win. He's only playing 29 minutes a night,
[17:59] Speaker 3: 24 and 11 at three blocks. I think the blocks
[18:04] Speaker 3: are down, Skip, because teams are weary of him now.
[18:09] Speaker 3: They're more aware of his presence. So, yeah, you avoid
[18:14] Speaker 3: him at times, right? He affects the game in that manner, right?
[18:17] Speaker 3: So his defensive rating is higher, but his blocks are down, right?
[18:20] Speaker 3: So it's things like that that you pay attention to. But, no,
[18:24] Speaker 3: he's future league this year, definitely defensive player of the year,
[18:29] Speaker 3: but future MVP probably. But you still have guys like
[18:34] Speaker 3: Shea and Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, all these young guys,
[18:36] Speaker 3: Cade's still in the league, and you still can't count
[18:39] Speaker 3: out what Nikola is doing, man. Like, I just don't
[18:42] Speaker 3: want people to get used to that.
[18:45] Speaker 1: Because it's not normal. It seems like they have.
[18:47] Speaker 3: Because it's not normal, right, to shoot the percentage that
[18:50] Speaker 3: he shoots year in, year out, game in, game out, rebounds, assists. Like,
[18:54] Speaker 3: that's not normal. So I don't want people to get
[18:57] Speaker 3: fatigued with Nikola's second MVP vote. Like, that's a real
[19:01] Speaker 3: thing still.
[19:03] Speaker 2: Right?
[19:03] Speaker 3: Just because he missed some games. Like, no, he's still that.
[19:07] Speaker 3: And I don't want people to forget that. Like, he
[19:09] Speaker 3: is still consistently the most valuable player for that team
[19:13] Speaker 3: and put his team in the best situation to win, man.
[19:18] Speaker 3: But I think Wimby, he's tripping right now, but it's...
[19:25] Speaker 3: His team should do more campaigning for him than he should, right?
[19:29] Speaker 3: The San Antonio Spurs should have campaigns and different things,
[19:31] Speaker 3: commercials and those things if that's a real thing.
[19:34] Speaker 1: Let's shift over to you, Mr. B. What do you
[19:38] Speaker 1: think about Wimby lobbying to be MVP this season? I
[19:43] Speaker 1: like it.
[19:44] Speaker 9: I love the confidence, I love the swag, because we
[19:46] Speaker 9: do know what's coming. Um, and I think he's just
[19:49] Speaker 9: putting things on notice for himself. Uh, will he win
[19:51] Speaker 9: it this year?
[19:52] Speaker 1: No.
[19:53] Speaker 9: Um, like, like Ken, like everybody said, you know, you
[19:55] Speaker 9: got Jalen Brown, you got Kay Cunningham, you got, uh.
[19:58] Speaker 1: SGA who's, who's been balling too.
[20:00] Speaker 9: But I think if he gets it now, it's going
[20:02] Speaker 9: to be hard because for anybody else to get it, um,
[20:04] Speaker 9: because of what he does and what he does.
[20:06] Speaker 1: Bring to the table.
[20:07] Speaker 9: Um, But, I mean, you know, you do have situations where,
[20:10] Speaker 9: you know, Rustberg got it. They were in sixth place. Jokic,
[20:15] Speaker 9: when he got it, he was in sixth place too. So,
[20:17] Speaker 9: I mean, you just never know. But I do like
[20:19] Speaker 9: the fact that he is putting a notice about defense
[20:22] Speaker 9: because he is a two-way player. And I just think
[20:25] Speaker 9: in the future he's going to be winning three or
[20:26] Speaker 9: four of these because of what he does. But if
[20:29] Speaker 9: you give it to him right now, I mean, you can, like,
[20:32] Speaker 9: Anthony Edwards, all these guys, I just don't ever see
[20:34] Speaker 9: them being able to have a shot to win it.
[20:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, but defense is never going to come into the
[20:39] Speaker 3: equation when it comes to MVP award.
[20:41] Speaker 1: Just unfortunate. But why not, though?
[20:44] Speaker 9: Because guys now today, you got Jalen Brown that plays
[20:47] Speaker 9: both sides of the.
[20:48] Speaker 1: Court, right? I mean, if you play both, it helps you.
[20:51] Speaker 1: But it's not the.
[20:53] Speaker 4: Lead off where this– I mean, besides back when Bill
[20:55] Speaker 4: Russell played.
[20:56] Speaker 1: But, you know, offensively– It's such an offensive game now. Yeah.
[21:02] Speaker 3: It's such an offensive game now. So just like quarterbacks always, right?
[21:06] Speaker 3: the quarterback is going to always be in the MVP
[21:08] Speaker 3: conversation for the NFL because he's the one, just the yards, right?
[21:12] Speaker 3: He's touchdown and yards, and that's the points for a
[21:15] Speaker 3: game like an NBA, right? It's going to always be
[21:18] Speaker 3: those guys, unfortunately.
[21:19] Speaker 7: Okay, I'm sorry. Does it matter to you guys then
[21:23] Speaker 7: that in defensive win shares, individual defense, Wimby is number one,
[21:28] Speaker 7: but SGA is fifth in the league in defensive win shares.
[21:31] Speaker 7: I mean, nobody talks about that, but he's top five defender.
[21:36] Speaker 7: If it counts, Wimby says 60% of the game, wait
[21:39] Speaker 7: a second, then your rival.
[21:43] Speaker 3: Like for the vote, for MVP, no skip, but for Hoopers,
[21:46] Speaker 3: like that watch, we like the fact that SGA competes
[21:49] Speaker 3: on that side of the ball. Right? Like if we're
[21:52] Speaker 3: thinking about, okay, all that he does for his team,
[21:57] Speaker 3: we're going to mention defense last.
[21:59] Speaker 1: Right?
[22:00] Speaker 3: He gets everybody involved. So that's just what it is.
[22:03] Speaker 3: solid defender, does what he do, hold his own, doesn't
[22:06] Speaker 3: get to take advantage of on defensive end, all those things.
[22:08] Speaker 3: We know that because we watch him play and we
[22:10] Speaker 3: watch the team and we see the defensive ratings. So
[22:13] Speaker 3: we know that, but as far as the MVP voting,
[22:16] Speaker 3: I don't think it, for us, I don't think it
[22:18] Speaker 3: would matter.
[22:19] Speaker 6: Ain't that why they got, so should they have an
[22:21] Speaker 6: offensive player of the year too?
[22:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it should be like the NFL.
[22:24] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[22:25] Speaker 3: I really think it should be like the NFL.
[22:27] Speaker 1: They got defensive player of the year. So who would
[22:30] Speaker 1: be the offensive player of the year? I was about
[22:33] Speaker 1: to say scoring titles. That's it. But is there more
[22:35] Speaker 1: to offense than just scoring? I think so. Well, then
[22:38] Speaker 1: that's going to get confusing.
[22:40] Speaker 6: All right.
[22:40] Speaker 1: So, I mean, if you talk about offensive player of
[22:42] Speaker 1: the year, where would you put Jokic in that discussion?
[22:43] Speaker 1: That's the only person you're going to name. Average of
[22:46] Speaker 1: 28 and 11.
[22:46] Speaker 4: That's the only person you're going to name. In history,
[22:49] Speaker 4: that's the only person you're going to try to grab
[22:51] Speaker 4: is Jokic. So you're going to change the whole thing. No,
[22:53] Speaker 4: I'm saying what Luka does is equivalent. I'm saying what
[22:56] Speaker 4: Luka does is equivalent. Yeah, you're going to get the
[22:58] Speaker 4: scoring time. So you're going to.
[22:59] Speaker 2: Give him scoring time and offensive? Yeah, he can. Yeah.
[23:02] Speaker 1: Why not?
[23:03] Speaker 2: Why not?
[23:03] Speaker 3: Because you're going to put a guy like Giddy who
[23:05] Speaker 3: does a lot for his team.
[23:06] Speaker 1: You put certain guys in that category.
[23:10] Speaker 4: So what other stat are you going to be using
[23:14] Speaker 4: for the offensive part?
[23:15] Speaker 1: The assists? All of it.
[23:18] Speaker 6: With assists, points, assists. Yeah, no, I don't think rebounds count.
[23:22] Speaker 6: I don't think offense rebounds count tonight.
[23:25] Speaker 1: Is this assists? Listen, they made up a fashion award.
[23:30] Speaker 1: Points and assists?
[23:31] Speaker 2: Huh?
[23:32] Speaker 3: They got a fashion award.
[23:33] Speaker 1: No, they don't. Yeah, that's the league fits. Huh? League? Okay, defensively,
[23:39] Speaker 1: I got to ask you. Yeah. Okay, we know 7-6
[23:44] Speaker 1: is 7-6.
[23:44] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
[23:47] Speaker 4: Defensively, is he a sound defender or is he just tall?
[23:55] Speaker 3: No, he affects the game.
[23:57] Speaker 1: No, no, because he's tall.
[23:58] Speaker 3: No, he moves well. So I thought about this the
[24:04] Speaker 3: other day, right? When I was watching him, it was
[24:06] Speaker 3: a clip I was watching, and I was like, that's
[24:10] Speaker 3: like me when I was in college. I got to
[24:12] Speaker 3: stay in the paint.
[24:13] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Right?
[24:17] Speaker 3: I'm so long and athletic, but that's how much ground
[24:20] Speaker 3: he covers and protects people's deficiencies, right?
[24:26] Speaker 4: What I mean is, is he seeing the deficiencies before
[24:28] Speaker 4: they're happening?
[24:29] Speaker 1: I think so. Like Draymond Green, right?
[24:31] Speaker 4: I think he's getting better at it.
[24:34] Speaker 1: I know you're trying to backdoor. I'm already there.
[24:37] Speaker 4: Is he doing that yet? Or is it just, I'm
[24:40] Speaker 4: reacting because I'm tall and I can get to places?
[24:41] Speaker 4: Is he preventing plays from happening first?
[24:47] Speaker 1: At times.
[24:48] Speaker 3: Not more than, like, he could be, like, sitting back and, yeah, like.
[24:52] Speaker 1: Pointing, like, I don't know. Does he have to.
[24:54] Speaker 2: Do all that?
[24:55] Speaker 1: But does he have to do all that, though? If
[24:58] Speaker 1: you're a defensive player, like, the best defensive players talk
[25:00] Speaker 1: the most. Do we hear him talking? I don't know.
[25:02] Speaker 1: I got your back door. He's about the back door. Deny.
[25:04] Speaker 1: I got your back. Like, those, that's when you know
[25:07] Speaker 1: someone is keened in. Yeah. But does he have to
[25:10] Speaker 1: do that?
[25:10] Speaker 2: But does he have to do that?
[25:12] Speaker 6: I'm saying Dwight Howard.
[25:16] Speaker 1: Dwight Howard did everything.
[25:18] Speaker 2: KG?
[25:19] Speaker 1: All defensive players.
[25:20] Speaker 2: All defensive players.
[25:22] Speaker 1: They're talking the whole game. Backdoor. Deny it. He's coming
[25:25] Speaker 1: this way.
[25:26] Speaker 3: Watching the play develop. Knowing where the ball is supposed
[25:28] Speaker 3: to go. So there was a play like D-Wade and Rookie.
[25:30] Speaker 3: They was running to play for D-Wade. Hand back at
[25:33] Speaker 3: the top of the key. I'm guarding UD. It's a
[25:37] Speaker 3: double screen coming out the corner. I see who in
[25:40] Speaker 3: the two-man action. I don't even worry about the down screen.
[25:45] Speaker 3: I'm all the way over here. They hand back their way.
[25:50] Speaker 3: He had no idea where I was. I ain't even
[25:52] Speaker 3: guarding my man. So it's seeing the play develop like
[25:56] Speaker 3: you to his point, to Gil's point. Seeing the play
[25:58] Speaker 3: develop before it happens and dictating.
[26:02] Speaker 1: how.
[26:03] Speaker 3: The play is going to be rinsed. And that's a
[26:05] Speaker 3: big thing of film. The more games he's spending, the
[26:10] Speaker 3: more time he's spending on the floor, that'll get better.
[26:13] Speaker 6: Being 7'6, dictate some of that stuff already.
[26:17] Speaker 1: That eliminates him not talking as much.
[26:19] Speaker 4: If I know you're going to come in and I jump,
[26:21] Speaker 4: you try to pass it and I just jump again
[26:23] Speaker 4: and I'm just sitting here doing this.
[26:25] Speaker 3: But a lot of that is instinct. What Gil's thing is,
[26:30] Speaker 3: noticing it beforehand. So you prevent him from coming.
[26:33] Speaker 1: Hey, you know what?
[26:34] Speaker 6: Top block that. You drop here. Hey, I'm going to
[26:37] Speaker 6: switch him when he come off here. I'm going to
[26:39] Speaker 6: take him. You take my man.
[26:41] Speaker 3: It's those things.
[26:43] Speaker 6: But you got to just say, send him to me.
[26:45] Speaker 6: That's all you really got to say. But you know
[26:46] Speaker 6: who you're out there with, though, right? So you have
[26:49] Speaker 6: to cover.
[26:49] Speaker 2: Send him to me. So.
[26:51] Speaker 3: Nene was the best talker on defense, right? Because language
[26:54] Speaker 3: is bare at times, right? So I knew if me
[26:57] Speaker 3: and Nene are together, I'm already vocal. I have to
[27:01] Speaker 3: be even more vocal because I'm, if he in the
[27:05] Speaker 3: pick and roll, he might call the coverage, but the
[27:07] Speaker 3: guard might not hear it.
[27:09] Speaker 1: Hey, left, left, left.
[27:12] Speaker 3: Now he in the right spot, but they probably didn't,
[27:14] Speaker 3: he probably didn't call it because he, so it's different
[27:17] Speaker 3: things that, that would be, that I can see him
[27:20] Speaker 3: getting to more But in the third year, man, it's coming.
[27:25] Speaker 3: Now everything is natural instincts, and I'm talking about that.
[27:28] Speaker 4: How are you getting in foul trouble when you're 7'6?
[27:30] Speaker 1: You shouldn't. You shouldn't.
[27:31] Speaker 3: You shouldn't, I don't know. Like, where's your preventive game? Yeah,
[27:35] Speaker 3: you should never be.
[27:37] Speaker 1: You shouldn't.
[27:38] Speaker 3: Because there's no body that you're playing post-defense against. They
[27:42] Speaker 3: run in 35 plays for a night. That's not the
[27:46] Speaker 3: case now.
[27:48] Speaker 1: So....
[27:50] Speaker 7: So, Kenyon, what if you had been eight or nine
[27:52] Speaker 7: inches taller? What would have happened?
[27:54] Speaker 2: Seriously.
[27:55] Speaker 1: Oh, shit. With his jumping ability?
[27:58] Speaker 7: With the same stuff, same gifts.
[28:00] Speaker 1: Probably would have been the number one pick. Well, come on.
[28:05] Speaker 1: Every year.
[28:08] Speaker 3: Probably would have been pretty good. Probably would have been
[28:10] Speaker 3: an all-star or.
[28:13] Speaker 1: Something, man. 7'6 with the 40-something foot.
[28:16] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[28:16] Speaker 3: You know, the game, and then knowing, like, My, what
[28:20] Speaker 3: I have upstairs, like, helped a lot. Like, being able
[28:24] Speaker 3: to process things on the fly and being able to
[28:28] Speaker 3: articulate it on the fly helps. Shit, it's, whatever percentage
[28:35] Speaker 3: it is, I don't know, but it's high, man. Like,
[28:37] Speaker 3: being able to do those things, and I think he's
[28:39] Speaker 3: getting there. But, yeah, shit, I couldn't imagine if I
[28:41] Speaker 3: was seven foot.
[28:42] Speaker 4: I guess people don't, they're trying to figure out what
[28:45] Speaker 4: I'm saying.
[28:46] Speaker 1: Okay. Explain it to them. You did. Defensive players, like.
[28:52] Speaker 4: Anyone you can think of, big man, they're so good
[28:58] Speaker 4: at knowing every movement, meaning they watch everyone's tendency. So
[29:04] Speaker 4: they know if I do a backspin, right, and his
[29:07] Speaker 4: man is going that way, he sees me backspin, he
[29:10] Speaker 4: already knows this guy's about the backdoor.
[29:13] Speaker 5: Right?
[29:13] Speaker 4: So he don't even pull over. He's already going to
[29:16] Speaker 4: be here, which already stops this play.
[29:19] Speaker 1: Right?
[29:19] Speaker 4: So the reason he gets in foul trouble because he
[29:21] Speaker 4: doesn't know these things are coming.
[29:23] Speaker 1: He's just playing off of instinct.
[29:25] Speaker 4: The stop from getting in foul trouble is he's already
[29:28] Speaker 4: doing preventive work.
[29:30] Speaker 1: Meaning, I see you. I see you. Spin.
[29:33] Speaker 4: I'm going to already be here. Knowing this man is
[29:36] Speaker 4: not going to come here and try to jump into me.
[29:38] Speaker 4: So he's stopping everybody from.
[29:40] Speaker 1: coming in lane.
[29:40] Speaker 4: Shaquille O'Neal, first foul, he's gonna say, hey, let him drive.
[29:45] Speaker 4: You drive, he's gonna do that.
[29:47] Speaker 1: Hip check bullshit, right? You hit all this, you.
[29:51] Speaker 4: Fall, no one wants to drive anymore. He prevents you
[29:55] Speaker 4: from driving until he leaves the game.
[29:59] Speaker 1: It's preventable. Do you think women gets in foul trouble?
[30:01] Speaker 1: I wasn't with Dwight Howard. So simple. I wasn't going
[30:03] Speaker 1: to play with Dwight Howard. Same thing?
[30:05] Speaker 4: If he sees like some really athletic guys, this is
[30:08] Speaker 4: a true story. We're playing Miami. We're getting our ass
[30:11] Speaker 4: with that halftime. I think we're down 18. And everybody's
[30:14] Speaker 4: trying to figure out what's going on. He said, yo, listen,
[30:17] Speaker 4: let D Wade or LeBron come in here. Turk, let
[30:20] Speaker 4: him come. He said, I'm going to hit him so hard.
[30:23] Speaker 4: They're not going to come no more. All I need
[30:25] Speaker 4: is hit his one. He pretended he wasn't looking. They backdoor, boom.
[30:32] Speaker 4: All jump shots the rest of the game. We end
[30:34] Speaker 4: up coming back and winning.
[30:36] Speaker 6: So Gil's point is you be.
[30:42] Speaker 1: Proactive so you don't have to be reactive. Right now
[30:45] Speaker 1: he's reactive.
[30:46] Speaker 3: Doing your work early is the term that we use.
[30:51] Speaker 3: Doing your work early, right? If I know a play coming,
[30:55] Speaker 3: positioning myself to be in the best position possible to
[31:00] Speaker 3: help my team. Whether it's talking or body movement. It's
[31:04] Speaker 3: not that difficult.
[31:05] Speaker 4: Like, what's his deflections? Like, when somebody's been 7'6, he
[31:11] Speaker 4: should be leading.
[31:12] Speaker 1: Should be leading. He would know. Like Draymond Green. Like
[31:16] Speaker 1: Draymond Green. He's an excellent. He's an excellent stop these plays.
[31:20] Speaker 3: And he has to cut. So he's played his entire
[31:23] Speaker 3: career with Steph Curry, right? Steph is not known as
[31:27] Speaker 3: a defender. At times, people have tried to take advantage
[31:31] Speaker 3: of Steph, put him in a post, put him in
[31:33] Speaker 3: a situation, trying to get him in foul trouble, right?
[31:36] Speaker 3: Draymond has had to overcompensate.
[31:41] Speaker 1: That's why he has nine defensive teams.
[31:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[31:44] Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year awards and all that.
[31:46] Speaker 1: This is why.
[31:47] Speaker 3: Because he's had to do so much at covering up
[31:51] Speaker 3: certain guys' deficiencies at times and while guarding other teams'
[31:57] Speaker 3: best big or best perimeter guy at times. So, his
[32:01] Speaker 3: excellence added to what he does for his team and
[32:04] Speaker 3: that's why it has been recognized because it's glaring at
[32:09] Speaker 3: what he does. And that's the reason, one of the
[32:12] Speaker 3: main reasons they have four championships. So, I know y'all
[32:16] Speaker 3: think I don't like Draymond, but I'm an honest person
[32:19] Speaker 3: when it comes to this.
[32:21] Speaker 1: Basketball, I'm honest. I try not to be biased.
[32:25] Speaker 4: If it wasn't an offensive player, remember that our skill,
[32:29] Speaker 4: our talent is to score. Meaning we have to know
[32:34] Speaker 4: defense just like a defensive player.
[32:36] Speaker 1: I have to know everything he's supposed to do.
[32:39] Speaker 4: But I gotta know if you take charges, I gotta
[32:42] Speaker 4: know if you block shots, I gotta know if I'm
[32:45] Speaker 4: sitting there like, raise y'all, right? I just couldn't just
[32:48] Speaker 4: come off the pick and roll and just try to jump.
[32:49] Speaker 1: Right? He's going to take a charge. Right? Chuck Hayes. Yeah.
[32:55] Speaker 4: Somebody like JaVale McGee. JaVale McGee did the best thing
[32:58] Speaker 4: for me.
[32:59] Speaker 1: Right? Come off the pick and roll. He opens up
[33:01] Speaker 1: to let you drive so he can try to get
[33:02] Speaker 1: the block shot. Thank you.
[33:04] Speaker 2: Right?
[33:05] Speaker 4: I'm just going to jump into you. You know what
[33:07] Speaker 4: I mean? So everyone has their tendencies.
[33:09] Speaker 1: You just got to know them.
[33:09] Speaker 4: So knowing if someone does preventive work, is very key
[33:16] Speaker 4: for an offensive player.
[33:17] Speaker 3: So tell them when y'all played us in Jersey.
[33:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't like playing you. One, you knew the
[33:22] Speaker 4: offense like the back of our hand, right? So, you know,
[33:25] Speaker 4: like if we're trying to give Antoine a post up,
[33:30] Speaker 4: you know, forwards out, drop, you already was on it,
[33:32] Speaker 4: make it go the other way, right? So you're kind
[33:34] Speaker 4: of frustrated. So it's like, all right, we're playing against
[33:36] Speaker 4: King and them. All right, just one full flat. Let's
[33:39] Speaker 4: do some regular ass pick and rolls. And it's a
[33:42] Speaker 4: jump shot day.
[33:44] Speaker 3: As soon as I see, whatever I'm looking over there,
[33:46] Speaker 3: whatever Eddie calls, somebody calls, hey, take that away.
[33:50] Speaker 1: And I kill the whole play. Right?
[33:53] Speaker 3: They're trying to run forwards out, I'm going to deny
[33:54] Speaker 3: Tuan and make him go back door. I'm going to
[33:57] Speaker 3: make him go back door. And I won't Tuan. I
[34:00] Speaker 3: don't want to have to guard Antoine Jameson on the pole.
[34:02] Speaker 3: They wasn't athletic, that's why.
[34:04] Speaker 1: Y'all wasn't. The Wizards.
[34:05] Speaker 6: Y'all didn't have an athletic team.
[34:09] Speaker 1: When?
[34:10] Speaker 2: When y'all played athletic people.
[34:14] Speaker 1: We didn't have an athletic team. Nobody was athletic like
[34:17] Speaker 1: you guys. They didn't have nobody like me, no. Like
[34:20] Speaker 1: high jumpers.
[34:20] Speaker 6: Yeah, because I dunked on every seven-foot defender. I was
[34:27] Speaker 6: on your team. You would have did what? I would
[34:29] Speaker 6: have dunked on his ass. You would have dunked on who?
[34:32] Speaker 2: Probably.
[34:32] Speaker 1: You would have dunked on who? Dunked on who's ass? Yeah,
[34:35] Speaker 1: back dog. Hey, this is a fact.
[34:38] Speaker 6: I have a 100% fact for you here. I've never
[34:41] Speaker 6: been dunked on by a guard.
[34:43] Speaker 2: I've dunked on some of the best.
[34:46] Speaker 1: Me too. 100% factual. Who came the closest? I've never
[34:51] Speaker 1: been dunked on by a guard. Because you know what?
[34:54] Speaker 1: If I'm in a bad way, I'm going to foul you.
[34:58] Speaker 6: So, just what it is, brother.
[35:03] Speaker 1: Did any guard ever come close? Any big under there.
[35:09] Speaker 1: They ain't jumping into your body.
[35:11] Speaker 3: They trying to go block the ball.
[35:13] Speaker 2: That's the thing.
[35:14] Speaker 1: Flip it. That quick shit. To your point about Wimby,
[35:20] Speaker 1: Wimby averaging one and a half blocks per foul in
[35:24] Speaker 1: his career. So by comparison, you got Hakeem at that.
[35:26] Speaker 1: 9 blocks per foul. Dikembe Mutombo, I think one block
[35:30] Speaker 1: per foul in his career. He's the lead on that side.
[35:34] Speaker 1: But that's First three seasons. It's the first three seasons.
[35:37] Speaker 1: 603 career blocks, 405 career blocks. How many times have
[35:39] Speaker 1: you fouled out? 610.
[35:41] Speaker 3: He probably ain't fouled out a lot, though.
[35:43] Speaker 1: 610, 7, 6. He probably ain't fouled out. I'm just
[35:45] Speaker 1: giving you the information, sir. No, he probably hasn't fouled out.
[35:49] Speaker 1: I'm looking. Can you ask? He's fouled out twice. This
[35:54] Speaker 1: is not a lot. Jarvis Hayes had a 47 vertical
[36:00] Speaker 1: before he cracked it. He don't play long enough. 29 minutes. Yeah.
[36:03] Speaker 7: So, Gil, would you give Offensive MVP to Luka.
[36:09] Speaker 1: Right now. Probably. Yeah. Him over your kid.
[36:17] Speaker 3: Luka is Dak Prescott.
[36:21] Speaker 1: Hell no. Luka is Dak Prescott.
[36:25] Speaker 3: Tony Romo.
[36:26] Speaker 1: No. Luka over your kid. He ain't going to win
[36:29] Speaker 1: a ring.
[36:29] Speaker 4: Hey.
[36:33] Speaker 6: That guy started throwing that motherfucker 5,000 yards.
[36:36] Speaker 2: I agree. Josh Allen.
[36:38] Speaker 1: He said Josh Allen.
[36:40] Speaker 7: So think about Luka. So he leads the league by
[36:44] Speaker 7: far in usage rate. So he leads the league by
[36:47] Speaker 7: far in field goals attempted and in three-point shots attempted
[36:52] Speaker 7: and in free throws attempted because he argues every single
[36:56] Speaker 7: call and non-call, and he gets a bunch of them.
[36:59] Speaker 7: And he got his tech rescinded the other day so
[37:01] Speaker 7: he didn't get suspended.
[37:03] Speaker 1: It seemed like they both should have still got the
[37:04] Speaker 1: text because there was a lot of disrespect to mothers
[37:06] Speaker 1: and families on both sides, but that's neither here nor there.
[37:09] Speaker 1: There was. I'm just being real.
[37:10] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[37:11] Speaker 7: So Luka also leads the league in turnovers because he's
[37:15] Speaker 7: got the ball in his hand a lot and he's
[37:16] Speaker 7: just going to turn it over. But he is, to me,
[37:20] Speaker 7: by far the least efficient player in the whole league
[37:25] Speaker 7: because from three, he's 36%, which is if you– if
[37:31] Speaker 7: you look at it, that ranks 96th in the league.
[37:33] Speaker 7: So he's taken the most three-point shots and he's 96th
[37:36] Speaker 7: in making those shots. And from the free throw line,
[37:40] Speaker 7: he takes the most free throws and he's 86th in
[37:43] Speaker 7: making free throws because he's 70% free throw shooter. So he's,
[37:48] Speaker 7: by superstar standards, he's a poor three-point shooter and a
[37:51] Speaker 7: poor free throw shooter, but he's leading the league in
[37:54] Speaker 7: attempts and attempts. And it just hurts my eyes sometimes
[38:00] Speaker 7: because man, he's going to jack up. He's going to
[38:02] Speaker 7: shoot 11 threes a game. So if we go back
[38:05] Speaker 7: three games ago at Miami, he made nine out of 17,
[38:08] Speaker 7: which he is capable of doing.
[38:09] Speaker 1: And you're like, wow.
[38:11] Speaker 7: And then the last two games, three of 13, and
[38:15] Speaker 7: then three of 13 at Orlando at Detroit. And it's
[38:20] Speaker 7: hard on the offense because, man, it's a lot of
[38:22] Speaker 7: empty trips. And just the way when you make a
[38:25] Speaker 7: three that it sets off the crowd, when you keep
[38:27] Speaker 7: missing threes, it just takes the life out of a crowd.
[38:30] Speaker 7: or gets an away crowd fired up.
[38:34] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[38:34] Speaker 7: The inefficiency of it, the selfishness of it, is hard
[38:40] Speaker 7: for me to sort of watch and embrace after a while.
[38:44] Speaker 7: But he's like genius. Here's a guy who can't run
[38:49] Speaker 7: and can't jump. And when he gets you in the lane,
[38:53] Speaker 7: he's just unstoppable with all of his herky-jerky stuff. He's
[38:57] Speaker 7: just like basketball genius. And I'm intrigued watching it, but
[39:02] Speaker 7: it just gets hard on my eyes after a while
[39:04] Speaker 7: because it's so selfishly inefficient. Am I wrong?
[39:11] Speaker 1: He's figured out human behavior.
[39:15] Speaker 2: Who?
[39:15] Speaker 1: Luka. Offensively.
[39:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[39:18] Speaker 4: I mean, great offensive players, that's what they bank on.
[39:22] Speaker 4: They bank on history, right? History of the game, right?
[39:25] Speaker 4: Knowing that defensively, These are the things you have to do.
[39:30] Speaker 4: These are the things that are taught, right? Push them
[39:32] Speaker 4: to their weak hand. We're going to ice this pick
[39:34] Speaker 4: and roll, right? You know, if you're a shooter, go over, right?
[39:37] Speaker 4: We're going to hedge on this type of guy. We're
[39:40] Speaker 4: going to harsh or we're going to sag, right? The
[39:42] Speaker 4: blueprint is the blueprint. Offensive players get to go into
[39:46] Speaker 4: summer and work all their moves against the blueprint that
[39:50] Speaker 4: hasn't changed, right?
[39:51] Speaker 1: So I get to create all these moves, huh? Stop, fake,
[39:57] Speaker 1: pull up, hand it.
[39:58] Speaker 4: Like there's a whole bunch of things I get to
[40:01] Speaker 4: work my offensive against.
[40:03] Speaker 1: So that's why you call it foul baiting. No, just
[40:05] Speaker 1: your defense is just stupid. They don't realize that what.
[40:09] Speaker 4: You did last year is not going to work this
[40:11] Speaker 4: year because you used.
[40:13] Speaker 1: To hold here.
[40:13] Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just going to grab it and I'm going
[40:15] Speaker 4: to go up with it. So it's the offensive players
[40:18] Speaker 4: who are adapting faster than defensive players. When it comes
[40:22] Speaker 4: to being efficient, I look at it like this. When
[40:28] Speaker 4: you're a great offensive player, everyone suffers from it.
[40:31] Speaker 1: And it is boredom.
[40:35] Speaker 6: Think about when Kobe averaged 35 some of the shots
[40:38] Speaker 6: he would take, right?
[40:42] Speaker 1: By himself, one-on-one.
[40:43] Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to do a step back, spin, spin,
[40:45] Speaker 4: shoot it out of bounds with the left hand.
[40:47] Speaker 1: James Harden, step back, step back, step back.
[40:49] Speaker 4: You know, what ends up happening is it becomes so
[40:52] Speaker 4: easy that you make it difficult just to have some
[40:57] Speaker 4: type of challenge.
[40:58] Speaker 1: A challenge. You said it. When Luka drives, no one
[41:03] Speaker 1: stops him. No one.
[41:05] Speaker 4: But he wants to sit there and mess with the
[41:07] Speaker 4: step back three, shoot it from further, because it's boring.
[41:12] Speaker 4: And that's what the game became and becomes to a
[41:15] Speaker 4: lot of great offensive players.
[41:18] Speaker 1: The only people who hasn't gotten really bored has probably
[41:22] Speaker 1: been Shea. Steph. Steph. KD. KD. He don't get bored.
[41:29] Speaker 1: He don't do nothing different.
[41:30] Speaker 3: Brunson.
[41:31] Speaker 1: Brunson. They don't get bored.
[41:33] Speaker 4: You can tell when someone's sitting there just doing a
[41:35] Speaker 4: whole bunch of.
[41:36] Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.
[41:39] Speaker 1: But that's not boring, though. But that's bad on him, though.
[41:45] Speaker 1: But then that's bad on him. Who? On Luka. I mean,
[41:50] Speaker 1: Mike never got bored. I think it's more confidence. I'm
[41:54] Speaker 1: going to wait for the double now. Okay, now, come on,
[41:58] Speaker 1: come on. I know you're coming. Now I'm going to
[42:00] Speaker 1: do it while you come. Like, if you just watch
[42:02] Speaker 1: the games, you can see these guys. Like, you had
[42:07] Speaker 1: them burned. You want them to come over so now
[42:09] Speaker 1: you can go and sit there and do all this
[42:11] Speaker 1: and do all this extra shit because....
[42:14] Speaker 4: Regular basketball becomes easy. So then it becomes more of
[42:18] Speaker 4: a show now. That's when you bring it.
[42:21] Speaker 1: In the show. That's when night-night, that's when the night-night,
[42:24] Speaker 1: I'm sleeping, I'm turning around. That stuff's boring. This shit
[42:28] Speaker 1: is too easy. I can turn around, damn near half
[42:30] Speaker 1: the game. That's what that is.
[42:35] Speaker 2: And you mix it with creativity. Okay.
[42:38] Speaker 3: If you bored, motherfucker, go guard somebody.
[42:40] Speaker 1: Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Relax.
[42:45] Speaker 9: Oh, no, that's going to get too boring for him.
[42:49] Speaker 1: He's going to get way boring. They didn't pay me
[42:51] Speaker 1: here to play no defense. That's what they got Marcus
[42:53] Speaker 1: Smart for. That's what they got for him. Do y'all
[42:55] Speaker 1: want y'all contracts or not? All right, well, let's keep
[42:59] Speaker 1: this thing moving. But before we do, we asked the chat,
[43:01] Speaker 1: does Wimby deserve to be MVP? 54% of the chat
[43:04] Speaker 1: said yes. Victor Wimbinyama deserves to be MVP. We also
[43:08] Speaker 1: asked the chat, who would be your offensive player of
[43:10] Speaker 1: the year this season? 55% of the chat said Luka. 24%
[43:14] Speaker 1: said SGA. 15% said Jokic. 6% picked other. Interesting. Interesting
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[45:37] Speaker 1: let's shift back to basketball discussion. The league's 65-game rule
[45:40] Speaker 1: for postseason awards has been the subject of debate since
[45:43] Speaker 1: its inception. The NBPA signed off on the rule as
[45:46] Speaker 1: a part of the most recent collective bargaining agreement. But Tuesday,
[45:49] Speaker 1: the Players Association released the following statement through a spokesperson
[45:53] Speaker 1: clapping back at the rule saying, quote, Cade Cunningham's potential
[45:59] Speaker 1: ineligibility for post-season awards after a career-defining season is a
[46:02] Speaker 1: clear indictment of the 65-game rule and yet another example
[46:06] Speaker 1: of why it must be abolished or reformed to create
[46:09] Speaker 1: an exception for significant injuries. Since its implementation, far too
[46:13] Speaker 1: many deserving players have been unfairly disqualified from end-of-season honors
[46:17] Speaker 1: by this arbitrary and overly rigid quota. All right. Cunningham,
[46:25] Speaker 1: one of several players that is on the verge of ineligibility,
[46:28] Speaker 1: along with Jokic, SGA, and Luka. Gil, we'll start with you.
[46:32] Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the NBA saying the league
[46:34] Speaker 1: needs to abolish or reform the 65-game rule? I said
[46:39] Speaker 1: this when they made the rule. Did you? You remember?
[46:45] Speaker 4: I said this is one of the dumbest rules that
[46:46] Speaker 4: they can put because if you have someone like Cade
[46:52] Speaker 4: who misses... who is the superstar, who is the all-star,
[46:57] Speaker 4: who is the all-NBA player, and he misses it, someone
[47:02] Speaker 4: has to replace him. So if you have your normal
[47:06] Speaker 4: third-team players and seven of those guys are ineligible who
[47:11] Speaker 4: would have got voted for, that means there's seven players
[47:15] Speaker 4: who are going to get that award means they done
[47:17] Speaker 4: unlocked some different money that the teams can't afford.
[47:23] Speaker 1: It was always a problem, right?
[47:26] Speaker 4: If you want your Joel Embiid playing 62 games, 60 games,
[47:32] Speaker 4: still making All-NBA because.
[47:33] Speaker 1: That's how great his product was. Now he misses it.
[47:37] Speaker 4: Now some other guy who's a $ 120 million player, now
[47:41] Speaker 4: he makes the All-NBA because he's next up in line.
[47:43] Speaker 4: Now he's all.
[47:44] Speaker 1: Of $ 200, $ 300 million.
[47:48] Speaker 4: And that's what ends up happening. So it's always been
[47:50] Speaker 4: a problem. They just didn't look at it like that.
[47:53] Speaker 1: So to get to your point, Jalen Duren now appears
[47:55] Speaker 1: if K doesn't make all-NBA team, Duren can now be
[47:57] Speaker 1: a prime candidate to make that third team with the
[48:00] Speaker 1: trickle-up effect that you're talking about. So you're paying more
[48:03] Speaker 1: money for middle-of-the-road talent. Or borderline. I mean, you're borderline.
[48:14] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Top 15 is top 15
[48:16] Speaker 1: in the NBA.
[48:17] Speaker 4: So if seven players make it, you know, miss, that
[48:21] Speaker 4: means your guy that was ranked 22 is getting top
[48:25] Speaker 4: 15 money.
[48:26] Speaker 1: And that changes teams.
[48:28] Speaker 2: Right?
[48:29] Speaker 4: So it's always kind of been a problem. But you
[48:31] Speaker 4: got to blame the owners. Play my owners.
[48:36] Speaker 1: Stop pretending. I just don't like the idea.
[48:38] Speaker 4: Stop pretending that the players is going in there talking
[48:40] Speaker 4: about I don't want to play.
[48:42] Speaker 1: Never in the fucking history.
[48:44] Speaker 4: Unless they were just really bad or they had to
[48:47] Speaker 4: play somebody they didn't want to play. I'm pretty sure
[48:49] Speaker 4: in the 80s and 90s, those guys didn't want to
[48:50] Speaker 4: play Jordan like that. And I know a bunch of
[48:52] Speaker 4: players that want to play Kobe or Allen Iverson. So
[48:55] Speaker 4: those are exceptions. But for the most part, players want
[49:00] Speaker 4: to play because that's how we get paid. Players want
[49:03] Speaker 4: to play because I'm trying to outplay the next player.
[49:06] Speaker 4: So there's never a situation where I want to go
[49:09] Speaker 4: into a game and say, yeah, I'm just going to
[49:10] Speaker 4: rest for five games. That doesn't happen unless it's at
[49:14] Speaker 4: the end of the game. I mean, at the end
[49:16] Speaker 4: of the season. But during the season, we want to
[49:19] Speaker 4: play every game because it's competition to us. These little
[49:24] Speaker 4: new medicines here that's telling us our body's too tired.
[49:29] Speaker 4: You got to rest this day. It's load management coming
[49:32] Speaker 4: from upper management. It's always been upper management.
[49:38] Speaker 2: Right?
[49:38] Speaker 1: Imagine if I played.
[49:39] Speaker 4: 65 games, and I'm an all-NBA player.
[49:44] Speaker 1: We're going to try this again. I'm an all-NBA player, right?
[49:48] Speaker 1: And I'm a free agent.
[49:50] Speaker 4: I'm going to unlock that extra. And there's two games left,
[49:53] Speaker 4: and I twisted my ankle.
[49:55] Speaker 1: I'm playing, right? I'm playing so I can unlock the money.
[49:59] Speaker 1: What you think the doctors and the coaches are saying?
[50:02] Speaker 1: This might be a fracture.
[50:04] Speaker 4: You can't play because they don't want me to unlock
[50:07] Speaker 4: the extra $ 100 million.
[50:08] Speaker 1: So they're going to give me rest days.
[50:12] Speaker 4: It's always been the owner's situation trying to figure out
[50:15] Speaker 4: how to cut their costs. You're cutting costs here, but
[50:21] Speaker 4: that back end is going to kill you.
[50:24] Speaker 1: And really not cutting costs because now you introduce new
[50:26] Speaker 1: guys to all NBA teams. That's what I'm saying. It's
[50:28] Speaker 1: the back end. The back end is killing you. Let's
[50:30] Speaker 1: shift over to you, Mr. B. Mr. B, MBPA stepped
[50:34] Speaker 1: in and said they want the 65 game rule abolished
[50:36] Speaker 1: or reformed. Do you agree or disagree with their assessment?
[50:40] Speaker 1: I agree.
[50:42] Speaker 9: I mean, just looking at the situation in Milwaukee with Giannis.
[50:44] Speaker 1: I mean, he wants to play. The team is telling
[50:46] Speaker 1: him not to play. And, you know, you got these,
[50:49] Speaker 1: you know, you got a player that wants to play.
[50:50] Speaker 1: The team doesn't want him to play.
[50:51] Speaker 9: So, and, you know, looking at it this year, you know,
[50:55] Speaker 9: first team, second team, third team, it's going to be
[50:57] Speaker 9: some guys on there that wasn't even.
[50:59] Speaker 1: Going to make it.
[51:00] Speaker 9: So, it's just unfortunate because injuries are part of the
[51:04] Speaker 9: game and these load management and everything that they've been.
[51:07] Speaker 1: Trying to push.
[51:08] Speaker 9: It's kind of just unfair to the players. But, Other
[51:12] Speaker 9: players who wasn't going to be able to get that
[51:14] Speaker 9: opportunity are now getting that opportunity.
[51:16] Speaker 1: And that money. So, I don't know. Like, they're not
[51:19] Speaker 1: going to be complaining. I got something. Like, Giannis shouldn't
[51:21] Speaker 1: make it this year. He's not going to this year.
[51:24] Speaker 6: But I'm saying, players like that, like, you should know
[51:27] Speaker 6: when a player shouldn't make it that's supposed to make it. Like,
[51:30] Speaker 6: you should know Giannis shouldn't be on no NBA teams.
[51:33] Speaker 6: But if he was healthy, he would. That's what I'm saying.
[51:39] Speaker 2: Like, the 65-game rule shit.
[51:42] Speaker 6: Like, ain't no way a season Giannis having right now,
[51:45] Speaker 6: he should be on no all NBA, we shouldn't be
[51:49] Speaker 6: talking about Giannis being on something like that. But in
[51:52] Speaker 6: K's situation, it's different. Playing up to 65 games, your
[51:57] Speaker 6: team is in number one. But if you're in 12th seed,
[52:02] Speaker 6: averaging 30, team tell you to sit.
[52:05] Speaker 1: Out, I don't know. You shouldn't. Case played in 61.
[52:11] Speaker 1: I think 60 of them eligible.
[52:13] Speaker 6: That's like the Marcus Cousins.
[52:16] Speaker 1: The Marcus Cousins.
[52:17] Speaker 6: We've seen that. If you're in last place, then shit.
[52:21] Speaker 6: They tell you sit out for a fucking better seed
[52:24] Speaker 6: in the draft. I don't think that's... You should still
[52:27] Speaker 6: make the All-NBA regardless.
[52:30] Speaker 1: So what do you think about the NBPA stepping in
[52:33] Speaker 1: saying they need to reform or abolish the 65 game rule?
[52:36] Speaker 1: We just talked about it, what, two weeks ago?
[52:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, I said it. Like, if Cade is not eligible
[52:43] Speaker 3: because he, like, got a collapsed lung, right?
[52:48] Speaker 1: Yep.
[52:51] Speaker 3: And he's this close to the 65-game threshold. And like
[52:55] Speaker 3: I said, so you put things in to protect the
[52:57] Speaker 3: team and the league, but you didn't put anything in
[53:01] Speaker 3: the wording.
[53:02] Speaker 1: To protect the player, right?
[53:05] Speaker 3: Which is crazy because– Yeah, it just, to Gil's point,
[53:12] Speaker 3: to Brandon's point, it just does something to the integrity
[53:17] Speaker 3: of the game and the history of the game. And
[53:20] Speaker 3: it's messing with guys' legacy, right? First team All-NBA, second,
[53:25] Speaker 3: those things matter when you talk about Hall of Fames
[53:28] Speaker 3: and different things like that. So if a guy is
[53:31] Speaker 3: falling under this 65-game threshold that he plays 60 games, it's...
[53:38] Speaker 3: it's just, it's not fair to the guy, not fair
[53:40] Speaker 3: to the league, man. Like, it's not fair to the fans.
[53:45] Speaker 3: But they put this thing into the integrity of the
[53:49] Speaker 3: game for tanking, right? We all know what that looks like, right?
[53:53] Speaker 3: It has done nothing to... Yeah, it has nothing further.
[53:56] Speaker 3: It has done nothing to that. So you have to
[53:58] Speaker 3: come up with another rule now in order to prevent tanking.
[54:02] Speaker 3: So this had nothing to do with that. Ultimately, you know,
[54:08] Speaker 3: So it's one of those things, man, where you put
[54:14] Speaker 3: it in the collective bargain agreement and you stand ten
[54:17] Speaker 3: toes on it, or if they don't agree to it,
[54:20] Speaker 3: then the deal is done. It's shit like that, right?
[54:22] Speaker 3: So it made no sense from the beginning. Let's just
[54:27] Speaker 3: shift over to you, Steve.
[54:28] Speaker 1: The MBPA step in, released his statement, and supported Cade Cunningham.
[54:32] Speaker 1: Cade played 61 games. I think he's at 60, though,
[54:35] Speaker 1: for eligible games. Only played five minutes in that Wizards game. Yeah.
[54:38] Speaker 3: Oh, and that's another thing I forgot. Tell them what
[54:41] Speaker 3: their rule.
[54:42] Speaker 1: Is, Joseph. So you got to play like 20, there's
[54:43] Speaker 1: a little wiggle room, but you got to play like
[54:45] Speaker 1: 20 minutes for the game to be eligible, and then
[54:46] Speaker 1: I think you can have a couple in the 15
[54:47] Speaker 1: to 20 minute range that they'll still include. All right.
[54:51] Speaker 3: That's crazy.
[54:52] Speaker 7: I hear everything you four just said, and you guys
[54:56] Speaker 7: played this game at an extremely high level, and I
[54:58] Speaker 7: did not. So I'm going to speak to it very
[55:01] Speaker 7: differently than you viewed it. I can't tell you how
[55:06] Speaker 7: much I love watching the National Basketball Association, but I
[55:10] Speaker 7: love watching stars play pro basketball. I don't really love
[55:14] Speaker 7: watching unknowns playing pro basketball. And thanks to a coach
[55:21] Speaker 7: I did love back in the day, Coach Popovich, he
[55:24] Speaker 7: invented a phrase that has become, for me, the least
[55:28] Speaker 7: popular two words in the history of basketball, load management.
[55:33] Speaker 7: And he thrived on it, and his players loved it,
[55:37] Speaker 7: And it wasn't anti-tanking. It was just, it's resting. You know,
[55:42] Speaker 7: like it just rests.
[55:43] Speaker 1: That's all it is.
[55:44] Speaker 7: Let's just play half the games. Let's play two-thirds of
[55:46] Speaker 7: the games so that we can be ready for the postseason.
[55:50] Speaker 7: And I get that. But I don't love it. In fact,
[55:55] Speaker 7: I despise it from night to night because I don't
[55:58] Speaker 7: want to watch the Spurs if Tim and Parker and
[56:02] Speaker 7: Ginobili aren't playing. I don't care anymore. And That's why
[56:07] Speaker 7: I love this rule and that's why I would fight
[56:10] Speaker 7: for this rule because I still think it's a fair
[56:13] Speaker 7: rule because of this. In the last 25 years, we
[56:17] Speaker 7: haven't had an MVP play fewer than 70 games. So
[56:22] Speaker 7: they've all qualified. For 25 straight years, they've qualified. Nobody
[56:27] Speaker 7: got screwed. Cade Cunningham got screwed. He got burned, but
[56:33] Speaker 7: it's It's just a terrible break because, first of all,
[56:36] Speaker 7: you want to talk about a freak injury. I don't
[56:38] Speaker 7: know about you guys, but I've been covering this game
[56:39] Speaker 7: a lot longer than you guys played. I have never
[56:42] Speaker 7: heard of a player suffering a collapsed lung, a punctured
[56:46] Speaker 7: lung on the floor. It just doesn't happen. It's a
[56:49] Speaker 7: total freak. He's diving for a loose ball, just gets
[56:52] Speaker 7: hit sideways, and his lung collapses. You get it with
[56:56] Speaker 7: a needle when the doctor just misses and punctures your lung.
[56:59] Speaker 7: You get it if you get shot in the chest,
[57:01] Speaker 7: you get your lung punctured. but not playing basketball just
[57:05] Speaker 7: doesn't happen. So it's just a terrible break for him.
[57:08] Speaker 7: But remember, he got his escalator last year. He qualified
[57:14] Speaker 7: last year and got 45 extra million because he made,
[57:17] Speaker 7: I think he made third team All-NBA last year. So
[57:20] Speaker 7: he's cool with the money. It didn't cost him any money.
[57:23] Speaker 7: It cost him a shot at the MVP, which he
[57:26] Speaker 7: made a run, but he's not going to win it.
[57:28] Speaker 7: I think you would agree. And And yet in the
[57:32] Speaker 7: big picture, just for the fan's sake, I do like
[57:35] Speaker 7: the rule because it does give you a little more
[57:38] Speaker 7: motivation to try to qualify if you're making a run
[57:42] Speaker 7: at one of the all teams or the MVP. So
[57:45] Speaker 7: as a fan, I don't like it. I love it.
[57:49] Speaker 3: So do you think it needs to be any fine
[57:51] Speaker 3: putting up under it?
[57:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[57:52] Speaker 3: For certain guys, like.
[57:53] Speaker 1: Yeah. You play 64 games, right?
[57:57] Speaker 7: Well, you have to set it somewhere in stone.
[58:00] Speaker 1: In concrete.
[58:00] Speaker 3: So they did from the beginning.
[58:02] Speaker 1: They did.
[58:02] Speaker 7: They put this 20-minute rule in for the players of
[58:05] Speaker 7: the league, right? They agreed to 65. They could have
[58:09] Speaker 7: fought for 60, and I assume they did. I hope
[58:11] Speaker 7: they did. Maybe 60 is more reasonable. But, again, no
[58:15] Speaker 7: MVP for 25 years is under 70. I'm cool.
[58:19] Speaker 3: I'll be cool with the 65 games if they had
[58:21] Speaker 3: some other subsection A, B, C, D, E up under that.
[58:26] Speaker 3: For guys, if you play 61.
[58:29] Speaker 1: Games, then you are insane.
[58:31] Speaker 7: I understand.
[58:33] Speaker 1: And then how it looks, right?
[58:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[58:35] Speaker 3: If you're missing games, if you're sitting out. more games
[58:39] Speaker 3: than you should be, than we think you're sitting out there.
[58:41] Speaker 3: And that's a common sense thing, right? You're sitting out
[58:44] Speaker 3: a game because of an injury that you had no
[58:46] Speaker 3: control over and you played 59, 60 games and you
[58:51] Speaker 3: just so happened you missed April.
[58:52] Speaker 1: All right. That's... The problem with the rule is this.
[59:00] Speaker 1: We haven't heard one.
[59:03] Speaker 4: Organization yet that say, we're begging him to play.
[59:11] Speaker 1: We're begging. He just don't want to play. We've heard
[59:14] Speaker 1: every player say, I want to play. It's up to them.
[59:18] Speaker 1: We hear it all the time. It's up to them.
[59:20] Speaker 1: So with a 65 rule in, what happens is, and
[59:27] Speaker 1: we have the proof.
[59:31] Speaker 4: The player becomes selfish to his stat and his legacy.
[59:36] Speaker 4: So if I do have a hamstring problem or I
[59:39] Speaker 4: do have a calf problem or my Achilles is a
[59:42] Speaker 4: little hurt and I'm an all NBA player and I'm
[59:44] Speaker 4: supposed to make it, I don't care what you say anymore.
[59:48] Speaker 4: I don't care about the franchise no more because I'm
[59:51] Speaker 4: trying to unlock something.
[59:52] Speaker 1: So I'm going to go out there, oh, I feel great.
[59:54] Speaker 4: And I'm going to go try to play and I'm
[59:55] Speaker 4: going to get hurt like everyone else did.
[59:59] Speaker 1: Hallenberg came back, got hurt. Donovan Mitchell got hurt.
[1:00:02] Speaker 4: They all, Embiid, out there playing with a busted knee,
[1:00:07] Speaker 4: shouldn't have been playing, but.
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: He's, I'm an MVP winner. I'm a runaway with it.
[1:00:12] Speaker 7: McGill, LeBron.
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: I'm running away with it.
[1:00:14] Speaker 7: LeBron never got hurt. Jordan never got hurt.
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. Have y'all noticed? No. you're
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: not playing through nothing. I did.
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: I played through injuries.
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is this ain't playing through injuries. They're
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: telling him not to play. Yeah, they're just telling you.
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: You haven't heard one team say, we want him to play.
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: He's not playing. The player every time say, yeah, I
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: don't know. I'm waiting on him. I want to play.
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: Zion Williams says it every time. I'm trying to play.
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: I can play. I'm trying to play. The proof is
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: every player is playing. Look at the injury that's listed
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: because these guys ain't playing and they play the very
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: next game.
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: Like, come on, man. They're looking at the schedule, and
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: they have these, and I know it because Coach did
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: it to me. Right?
[1:01:00] Speaker 4: They go in there, they write the games that they're
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: going to win and lose and all this stuff. We're
[1:01:04] Speaker 4: going on the four-game winning streak, right? We're playing against
[1:01:07] Speaker 4: the Bucs, then New York. We already know LeBron and
[1:01:13] Speaker 4: probably Luka probably won't play against the damn Bucs, get
[1:01:17] Speaker 4: that win, and then all three will play against New York.
[1:01:20] Speaker 4: We know that already because they've been showing us for years.
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: Or we're going to play or we're going to get
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: the guaranteed win against the Bucs. And then two of
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: y'all can play against New York.
[1:01:31] Speaker 7: Unless Luka wants to win MVP.
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: Unless Luka wants to.
[1:01:34] Speaker 4: Play, then he's going to say, I don't care about
[1:01:36] Speaker 4: none of that. I'm going to go out there and play.
[1:01:38] Speaker 4: And you end up getting hurt because you're chasing something.
[1:01:41] Speaker 4: There was times where Embiid shouldn't have been playing. And
[1:01:44] Speaker 4: if he didn't force himself, he would have won it.
[1:01:48] Speaker 4: So I don't like it now because you're altering history.
[1:01:50] Speaker 4: You're protecting history. You're protecting it because there's guys in
[1:01:56] Speaker 4: history who, That don't qualify for no award if you
[1:02:01] Speaker 4: put the 65 game rule in there.
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: So that means Shaq has to lose four or five All-Stars.
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: There was a Reddit user putting together a list of
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: all the players that would have missed out on All-NBAs
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: if they didn't hit the 65. All-NBA, yeah. Shaq misses four.
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: LeBron misses four. Steph misses like three All-NBA teams. That's
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: a lot. That's a lot. You're missing a lot. And
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: that's history.
[1:02:23] Speaker 4: Like, I'm chasing history here as a player. So you
[1:02:27] Speaker 4: put a handicap in. And we're going to be graded
[1:02:32] Speaker 4: with this. So if the next person is chasing Steph
[1:02:35] Speaker 4: and Steph has four or three that he shouldn't have
[1:02:38] Speaker 4: had and I'm tying his regular one, them three.
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: Puts him over me. Right?
[1:02:47] Speaker 4: And those are the things I don't like. There's some
[1:02:49] Speaker 4: things you just can't change in history. Shaq played 50-something games.
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: 51.
[1:02:56] Speaker 6: 13.
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: I mean, so it gave. Obviously. I mean, it gave
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: the owners more control. Let me put it this way. Obviously.
[1:03:03] Speaker 1: I mean, shit, the 51 games was enough. Voters are like,
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: it don't matter. He's still.
[1:03:08] Speaker 2: Shaq.
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: He's still Shaq. He's still the.
[1:03:10] Speaker 4: I mean, you know, missing 30 games made him third best,
[1:03:13] Speaker 4: but he still won.
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: Because the other two guys still had the games and none.
[1:03:17] Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, shit, we got to.
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: We're going to squeeze him in. He ain't four.
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: We can tell you that for sure. We know that much.
[1:03:23] Speaker 4: No matter how many games, if Kobe played anywhere from
[1:03:26] Speaker 4: 46 to 53, second team, first team, third team, does
[1:03:32] Speaker 4: it matter? There's some players that don't matter. They're so
[1:03:37] Speaker 4: dominant in those games. Jokic, if Jokic plays 60 games,
[1:03:43] Speaker 4: averaging a triple-double, It don't matter.
[1:03:46] Speaker 3: SGA plays 64 games.
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: It don't matter. Luka, it don't matter.
[1:03:51] Speaker 4: Like, there's guys who are putting so much production and
[1:03:55] Speaker 4: dominating inside this game.
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: That rule don't matter. Sometimes his 50 games, you might
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: need all 82 just to compete. All 82 worth of stats.
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: To compete. Now, scoring titles, if someone says, hey, okay,
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: hold on. Luka averaged 33 but played 50 games. This
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: guy played 82 and he averaged 28.
[1:04:21] Speaker 4: Luka shouldn't win scoring title. It should be the most points.
[1:04:25] Speaker 4: So I look at it like that. Most points should
[1:04:28] Speaker 4: always win everything. Scoring titles, steals, like it does it
[1:04:31] Speaker 4: on everything else. Steals, rebounds, it's supposed to be the most,
[1:04:35] Speaker 4: not the average.
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: So you can't change it like that.
[1:04:40] Speaker 7: The trickiest phenomenon I dealt with as a reporter covering
[1:04:44] Speaker 7: your game was what Nick just brought up about you
[1:04:49] Speaker 7: played through some stuff that was no fun for you,
[1:04:53] Speaker 7: and you just sucked it up, and you played. So
[1:04:55] Speaker 7: it's pain threshold. He's got a different pain threshold. You
[1:04:59] Speaker 7: had a different. You had a different. You had a different.
[1:05:02] Speaker 7: We're all different, and I always wished– that I could
[1:05:06] Speaker 7: have some machine that I could hook up to Nick
[1:05:09] Speaker 7: for five seconds just to feel how bad his ankle felt.
[1:05:12] Speaker 7: And I could take two steps and say, how are
[1:05:16] Speaker 7: you even walking on that, let alone running up and
[1:05:19] Speaker 7: down the floor? Or maybe I'd hook up to the
[1:05:21] Speaker 7: machine and say, oh, come on, Nick, you can go
[1:05:24] Speaker 7: with that.
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: Right? Come on, man.
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: Right? All right.
[1:05:29] Speaker 7: So it's impossible for.
[1:05:32] Speaker 7: The public, even for the ownership, to know for sure
[1:05:36] Speaker 7: how bad is it hurting, Gil? Is your hamstring really
[1:05:41] Speaker 7: that bad? Is it just naggy or is it torn?
[1:05:44] Speaker 7: You know, like, is it ripped? Is it ripped off
[1:05:47] Speaker 7: the bone? You can take the MRI, you can see
[1:05:49] Speaker 7: the picture, but in the end, it's up to the
[1:05:52] Speaker 7: human to be able to say, no, I can play
[1:05:56] Speaker 7: through that. I can play with that I can't play 100%,
[1:05:59] Speaker 7: but I can play 92.1% of me with that. And
[1:06:04] Speaker 7: so that's why Jordan and LeBron, at the highest level,
[1:06:10] Speaker 7: I'm sure they have nagging this and that on a
[1:06:12] Speaker 7: nightly basis. And they just say, screw it, man.
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: I can go. I can do this.
[1:06:19] Speaker 7: That's what I do. I play. I know Jordan's mindset was,
[1:06:22] Speaker 7: I don't care what, nine times he played all 82
[1:06:25] Speaker 7: and two more times he played 81 and 80. So
[1:06:28] Speaker 7: he's just playing every game. Screw the playoffs, screw rest, screw,
[1:06:32] Speaker 7: you know, like, I don't care. I'm going to do
[1:06:34] Speaker 7: this only because I just, I live for this, man.
[1:06:38] Speaker 7: I jump out of bed.
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: I want to play.
[1:06:40] Speaker 7: If there's a game tonight, I'm just going to play.
[1:06:42] Speaker 7: I don't care if it's at Milwaukee and they don't
[1:06:43] Speaker 7: have Giannis, whoever it is, I'm going to play.
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:06:47] Speaker 6: So let me ask you a question. Now you got
[1:06:50] Speaker 6: to put your owner hat on. Now you take Jordan.
[1:06:56] Speaker 4: And you say, I will take 17 games off every
[1:07:01] Speaker 4: year for his career to get two more dominant years.
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: From Jordan as an owner.
[1:07:06] Speaker 7: You can argue.
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: As an owner, you're going to do it. Yeah. And
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: that's the thing.
[1:07:12] Speaker 4: Like when we played, if our injury was six to
[1:07:15] Speaker 4: eight weeks, what'd they tell us?
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: Four to six. And when it got to full, hey,
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: how you feeling out there? What our stupid ass do? Oh, yeah,
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: it's good, it's good. It's real good. Throw the little
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: cortisone in there, we done, right?
[1:07:33] Speaker 4: Because it's competition. So our era played on the competition.
[1:07:38] Speaker 4: The doctors told us whatever we wanted to hear, we
[1:07:42] Speaker 4: went out there. Today, they're looking at the longevity of it.
[1:07:47] Speaker 4: I want my LeBron for 22 years. How much money
[1:07:51] Speaker 4: am I making with him? How much money am I
[1:07:53] Speaker 4: making with Steph Curry being on my.
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: Team this long? So I don't want him playing all
[1:07:59] Speaker 1: 82 games. What are you doing it for? Right? What
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: are you doing it so?
[1:08:04] Speaker 4: Were you in the league still when they started hooking
[1:08:06] Speaker 4: up shit? Right?
[1:08:09] Speaker 1: They're hooking up stuff to you and it's outputting, right?
[1:08:13] Speaker 4: Your body look weak today. It ain't that full 100.
[1:08:16] Speaker 4: I don't want you to go out there on a 75% energy.
[1:08:20] Speaker 4: Just take the day off. That's what they're doing to
[1:08:23] Speaker 4: the guys.
[1:08:24] Speaker 6: And I told him when I was with the Knicks, like, dude,
[1:08:27] Speaker 6: I'm not wearing that.
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: Less games.
[1:08:28] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: Less games. Let's do less games. Protect history.
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: Huh?
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: Protect history. You can't. I mean, they're already protecting history. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: Turn it down to 65 games.
[1:08:38] Speaker 4: Now I got to score 300 points just to catch somebody.
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: 300 points a game. Michael Jordan averaged 35 with 82 games.
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: What I got to average to catch 3,000 points? 47.
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: Games ain't the issue, man. 82 games is not losing
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: playing 82 games forever, man. Listen, you 47. I know.
[1:08:53] Speaker 3: Games ain't the issue, man.
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: No.
[1:08:56] Speaker 3: 82 games is not losing playing 82 games forever, man.
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: Listen, you want players to play? Put a total out there.
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: What?
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: Put a total. Because the total changes it, not the average.
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: They're playing. People are playing games. You know what I'm saying?
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it gave the owners a lot
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: of leverage. Like me averaging 35, but I played 38 games?
[1:09:19] Speaker 4: Right, those 65 games, and you're averaging 27, you're playing
[1:09:21] Speaker 4: all 82, and you've got more.
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: Points than me.
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: I'm not.
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: I'm playing. I don't care what they're saying. Right? So
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: it's one of those. But you're going to tell me
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: I got a day off? I'm going to take my
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: day off. Are you telling me I got a day off?
[1:09:34] Speaker 2: Shit.
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: I'm going to play OKC. I got Wimby tonight. I
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: average 38. You tell me to take a day off,
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: and Wimby's there? He going to mess my average up. Yeah,
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: I'm going to take the day off, coach. I'm going
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: to take it off, coach.
[1:09:47] Speaker 2: Nah, nah, nah.
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: You offered. If you averaging 38 and Wimby's there. Bruh,
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: if your job offers you. Stop.
[1:09:55] Speaker 6: You're doing the wrong service for the youths.
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: There's not one human being. There's not one human being
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: that's listening to this.
[1:10:03] Speaker 4: If your boss come to you right now and say
[1:10:07] Speaker 4: you got two days off vacation right now, not one
[1:10:11] Speaker 4: of you is going to say no.
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: I want to do my 10 hours today and tomorrow.
[1:10:16] Speaker 2: I need the money.
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: You're getting paid either way. You get paid either way, right?
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: Some of us just like to work.
[1:10:22] Speaker 4: So if your boss come to you and say you
[1:10:24] Speaker 4: take two days.
[1:10:25] Speaker 1: Off for some R & R. Hey, take your long weekend.
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: Take Thursday, Friday. You taking it all. You not going
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: to say, no, no, I want to do my 20 hours. No. Basketball. Basketball.
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: I don't even think. I mean.
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: My ass. I mean, I think sports and a regular
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: job is different. Just hearing it. Sports and a regular
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: job is different. I want to play, bro. I want
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: to play.
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: Trust me.
[1:10:48] Speaker 3: If you would have told Kane to me, like, hey,
[1:10:49] Speaker 3: you ain't got to play in Sacramento tonight, I would
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: have been like, you know what?
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: You know what? Didn't want to go there. See y'all
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: in Miami. You know what?
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: I ain't going to lie.
[1:11:01] Speaker 1: That's the only way that offset it. If I play
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: the dude, I know I give him buckets.
[1:11:08] Speaker 4: They tell you you're playing against the wind.
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: If I know I give him 40 every time and
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: my day off is coming, hey, coach, listen. Let me
[1:11:18] Speaker 1: play this one. I'll take the next one off. How
[1:11:20] Speaker 1: about that? I'll get back with you. I'll get back
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: with you. Let me go ahead and get my little
[1:11:25] Speaker 1: 40 here. There's definitely players like that. This is personal. Oh, no,
[1:11:29] Speaker 1: somebody over there.
[1:11:30] Speaker 3: I got an issue.
[1:11:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, I got an issue over there. I got an
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: issue over there.
[1:11:32] Speaker 7: Yeah, and Gil, point of order about Jordan and the owner.
[1:11:36] Speaker 7: Jordan had three more championships than him.
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
[1:11:39] Speaker 7: Until the owner ran his coach off, and Jordan just said,
[1:11:42] Speaker 7: I quit.
[1:11:43] Speaker 1: I'm out.
[1:11:44] Speaker 7: And he took the next three years off. Okay, just
[1:11:47] Speaker 7: for the record.
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: Not three more.
[1:11:49] Speaker 7: You don't think three?
[1:11:50] Speaker 2: They not beating Shaq and Kobe.
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: Wait, stop. That wasn't Kobe-Kobe yet. Bro, I don't think
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: they beat Houston. They not beating him.
[1:11:59] Speaker 2: I don't know if they beat him.
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: If Mike leaves, I don't think they beat Houston. Which one?
[1:12:08] Speaker 1: The one that won a championship that wasn't even.
[1:12:10] Speaker 4: Like, that was like a 7th, 8th seed?
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: The one that was like a 6th seed? The 6th seed?
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: The 6th seed? They struggled each round. They wasn't dominant.
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: But they dominated the Bulls. Go look at the Bulls.
[1:12:21] Speaker 6: Go look each round how they, it wasn't easy for
[1:12:24] Speaker 6: them to get to the finals.
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: Didn't Shaq beat Jordan in the playoffs?
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: Huh? What?
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: Yes, we did. As Orlando. In his first year. Yeah,
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: in his first year. He came back. Mike had 45.
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: He came back with the number 45. But that was
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: a young Shaq. No, it was a young Shaq. We
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: ain't going to count that one. But as a prime Shaq,
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: you don't think he.
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: I don't know as a prime Shaq. We're talking about
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: a younger Shaq.
[1:12:53] Speaker 2: With the Lakers, though.
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: Y'all said three more. Yeah, but Shaq didn't... Okay, so
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: the year Jordan retired... The year Jordan retired... What year
[1:13:00] Speaker 1: did the Lakers win their first title? They were supposed
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: to win the championship again. That's what we're talking about. Right?
[1:13:05] Speaker 4: When they retired, the Los Angeles Lakers were favored to win.
[1:13:12] Speaker 4: And San Antonio won. San Antonio won.
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: Do the Bulls beat San Antonio?
[1:13:16] Speaker 2: Hell.
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:13:17] Speaker 2: Tim Duncan and David Robertson? Yes.
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: That trash ass team? Yes.
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: Jordan beat a bunch of trash teams.
[1:13:23] Speaker 4: You know Tim Duncan and David Robertson that was there?
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. In the league, yeah. What changed? What
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: do you mean?
[1:13:30] Speaker 6: What changed?
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: What changed?
[1:13:32] Speaker 2: That was Tim's first year.
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: Put it like this. Tim was a rookie.
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: Put it like this.
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: Tim won it the second year? It was the second year.
[1:13:39] Speaker 1: Jordan messed the league up so much, they had to
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: have a lockout. We don't want y'all playing 82. Let's
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: just play 50. We don't want to see this. Jordan
[1:13:47] Speaker 1: retired twice. Shit changed. He retired the first time. They said,
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: you know what?
[1:13:52] Speaker 4: We're going to move the three-point line in because y'all
[1:13:54] Speaker 4: can't shoot.
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: We're going to move it in. Just move it in,
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: move it in, move it in, move it in. Move
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: it in, move it in. That was the first time
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: he retired. They moved the three-point in. The next time,
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: we're going to have a lockout. God damn it. We
[1:14:05] Speaker 1: don't know what to do right now. NBC busted out.
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: We don't want to cover that league. Damn.
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: Stop.
[1:14:13] Speaker 1: Back to the 65 game rule real quick. Just tell
[1:14:15] Speaker 1: me the truth. So back to that 65 game rule.
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: Several players have spoken out about the rule with many
[1:14:20] Speaker 1: saying they don't like it. During a recent Twitch stream,
[1:14:22] Speaker 1: Jalen Brown offered his thoughts.
[1:14:26] Speaker 11: I was never a fan of the 65 game for
[1:14:28] Speaker 11: the record. I always thought it should.
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: Be like 62.
[1:14:30] Speaker 11: Like 65 seemed a bit, just a tad bit high.
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: 62 was like, I thought 62 was solid. But I'm
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: really not mad at 65.
[1:14:44] Speaker 11: I just thought the contrary was that in the past,
[1:14:50] Speaker 11: guys would be playing 40 or 50 games and then
[1:14:54] Speaker 11: be up for all NBA teams. And they play half
[1:14:56] Speaker 11: the season. And their numbers would be better because they
[1:15:00] Speaker 11: only play half the games versus somebody who played 70, 68,
[1:15:03] Speaker 11: 72 games.
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: So that's a big difference.
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:15:10] Speaker 11: Because of that is why I feel like it was needed.
[1:15:13] Speaker 11: You can't have dudes playing 45, 50 games and winning
[1:15:15] Speaker 11: first team All-NBA. Like, you basically came to work half
[1:15:19] Speaker 11: the time and then got rewarded for it.
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: Tell him. To get to your point, your boss said
[1:15:24] Speaker 1: you could come to work half the time, right? Tell him.
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: And get your money, yeah. But then, I don't know,
[1:15:29] Speaker 1: was there about half the time anyway?
[1:15:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, wait, Joel Embiid wouldn't even have, well, he wouldn't
[1:15:35] Speaker 4: even qualify for no All-NBA, wait, Embiid would have... His
[1:15:38] Speaker 4: first two All-NBAs he wouldn't have.
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: Three less All-NBAs. So, wait, three less? Yeah, three less.
[1:15:44] Speaker 4: He only has how many? So he would have one?
[1:15:51] Speaker 4: So he'd have two All-NBAs. You see how that changes
[1:15:54] Speaker 4: his career?
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: You see how he's not.
[1:15:57] Speaker 4: He's not even who he's supposed to be if he
[1:16:00] Speaker 4: had two All-NBAs.
[1:16:01] Speaker 1: Well, he's not who he's supposed to be, so.
[1:16:06] Speaker 4: All right, the year he was supposed to win the MVP,
[1:16:09] Speaker 4: averaging 34. So he missed scoring title, 34.7 scoring title,
[1:16:16] Speaker 4: all NBA, and MVP.
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: How many games? Because that rule is.
[1:16:20] Speaker 2: How many games did he play?
[1:16:22] Speaker 1: He played 39.
[1:16:22] Speaker 2: He should have missed all that.
[1:16:24] Speaker 1: No, but what happened is he kept.
[1:16:25] Speaker 2: God damn, played 39 games?
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: No, he kept coming back.
[1:16:29] Speaker 4: To try to get on board with the 65.
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: Because, you know, they start counting down. Oh, you got
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: 13 games left. You got three games left. Oh, let
[1:16:39] Speaker 1: me go ahead and bring that D out here.
[1:16:42] Speaker 4: No, he finished with 39 because he kept getting.
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: Hurt every time he came back.
[1:16:47] Speaker 2: He don't deserve it.
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: He don't deserve nothing.
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: Played less than half.
[1:16:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't deserve nothing.
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is he hurt himself trying to
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: go for it.
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: Nicola got more triple doubles than this dude got.
[1:16:59] Speaker 1: Oh, games played in.
[1:17:00] Speaker 3: The last three seasons. Nicola has more triple doubles than
[1:17:04] Speaker 3: Joel Embiid has games played in the last.
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: Like three seasons. Three seasons. This man had 40. That's
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: so unfortunate because.
[1:17:11] Speaker 4: 41, 41, 36, 33, 70, 31.
[1:17:17] Speaker 3: Games played.
[1:17:18] Speaker 4: No, no, that's what he scored. Then he missed the game.
[1:17:22] Speaker 4: Then he missed the game.
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: He missed the game, and it was like, yeah. He
[1:17:28] Speaker 1: missed two games. It was like, yeah, you can't miss
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: no more games. Came back. 14, couldn't play no more.
[1:17:35] Speaker 2: That's on him.
[1:17:36] Speaker 1: That ain't half the day.
[1:17:38] Speaker 2: That came in at 8.
[1:17:39] Speaker 1: That's when he came back for the playoffs. I don't
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: feel like this shit today. I'm going to go ahead.
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: It just happens, man.
[1:17:45] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: Y'all need me?
[1:17:49] Speaker 6: Don't even wait on us.
[1:17:54] Speaker 4: I like whatever they was voting for from the beginning
[1:17:58] Speaker 4: of time. If they thought that somebody with 57 games
[1:18:06] Speaker 4: was more productive than someone with 76 games, they're.
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: Voting for that.
[1:18:10] Speaker 4: You can vote for it all you want. I don't
[1:18:13] Speaker 4: think there should be a hard stance on it. The
[1:18:15] Speaker 4: voters vote.
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: That's it. The voters vote. I don't like the idea
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: if someone has 64 games. and he averages 35, 10,
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: and 9, and you got 65 games, you're averaging 22, 4,
[1:18:28] Speaker 1: and 4, and you in front of him with one game,
[1:18:31] Speaker 1: hell no. Hell no. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
[1:18:36] Speaker 6: Just have Nicola misses one more game, dog.
[1:18:39] Speaker 1: If Nicola misses one more game, he can miss. No,
[1:18:42] Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if he did, he can only miss.
[1:18:43] Speaker 1: He can only miss. He can't miss two. If he
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: gets the 64 games. He can only miss one. We're
[1:18:50] Speaker 1: going to pretend that triple double. And all NBA is
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: not a thing. That is not a thing.
[1:18:56] Speaker 4: And whoever has the 65 is first team all NBA.
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: Somebody bumps up the first team. Somebody bumps up the
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: second team. I feel that.
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: I feel that.
[1:19:07] Speaker 4: You first team with your mediocre stats compared to him.
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: And you got 22 more minutes. You have 29 rebounds.
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: And you're second team. And he's not even on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:19:18] Speaker 1: I see what y'all saying.
[1:19:19] Speaker 2: 39.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you something.
[1:19:22] Speaker 2: 40 games, you should not make it.
[1:19:23] Speaker 1: Okay, I agree with you.
[1:19:25] Speaker 2: You should not even be mad if you didn't make it.
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: So, you said half the time. Yeah. If you average
[1:19:30] Speaker 1: 37 a game. For 40 games, yeah. For 55 games. So,
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: 40 games. 40 games. 40 games, Gil. AR averaged. That's
[1:19:38] Speaker 1: less than half. Yeah, that's not even half.
[1:19:40] Speaker 2: 40 games.
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: You played less than half of the games. Austin Reed
[1:19:42] Speaker 1: was averaging 30-something, right? That was on the schedule. Was
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: averaging 30-something. I'm saying. But that was the first, what,
[1:19:46] Speaker 1: 20 games?
[1:19:47] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:19:47] Speaker 4: You just want to sit out. You play 55 games
[1:19:49] Speaker 4: and you get 30. Like, you play of the first
[1:19:50] Speaker 4: 60 games and you play fucking 54 of them. And
[1:20:05] Speaker 4: you mess around and get hurt.
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:20:07] Speaker 1: And you're putting up the.
[1:20:08] Speaker 6: Numbers that you're averaging 31, 7.
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, you should be.
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: So the year Kobe averaged 35, how many games?
[1:20:17] Speaker 1: I was just looking at him.
[1:20:18] Speaker 4: How many games are you giving him before you remove.
[1:20:21] Speaker 1: His– what he did? You can't put him in. No,
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: I'm asking you. He played all the games. No, I'm
[1:20:27] Speaker 1: asking you. That year, we know what that year.
[1:20:29] Speaker 4: That 63, that 81– How many games do you give
[1:20:33] Speaker 4: him before you say, man, he ain't the best player
[1:20:36] Speaker 4: in the league.
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: He ain't going to make the team.
[1:20:39] Speaker 2: Can you answer?
[1:20:40] Speaker 4: I don't want to hear you say it's Kobe because
[1:20:42] Speaker 4: that's what a lot of people say.
[1:20:43] Speaker 1: That's Shaq. That's LeBron. That's Curry. They did it for everyone.
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: So how many games? Can he play 55?
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: No, he played probably 70-something.
[1:20:53] Speaker 4: I'm saying 55 games averaging 35. So if he averaged
[1:20:56] Speaker 4: 55 games averaging 35, he's still.
[1:20:58] Speaker 1: On that team. Yes. Yes, to me. Yes, absolutely, 1,000%.
[1:21:01] Speaker 3: To me, yes.
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: And that's why they still made the difference. How many
[1:21:04] Speaker 1: did he play? He played 80. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. No,
[1:21:08] Speaker 1: I'm saying just you give him the same number. If
[1:21:10] Speaker 1: he played 55 games, he averaged 35. You give him
[1:21:12] Speaker 1: the same number. He is a first. I don't give
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: a fuck. First, 73rd, one of the motherfuckers, you better
[1:21:17] Speaker 1: put him on there. I don't care how many games
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: Wilt played.
[1:21:20] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:21:21] Speaker 4: 50 and 45.
[1:21:22] Speaker 1: You on the team. You on the team. We know
[1:21:26] Speaker 1: what you're doing.
[1:21:27] Speaker 2: It'll be six people on that motherfucker.
[1:21:29] Speaker 1: Giannis this year? No, not this year. But he only
[1:21:36] Speaker 1: played 36 games.
[1:21:36] Speaker 6: He fits the Joel Embiid thing that Joel has done
[1:21:39] Speaker 6: over the last year.
[1:21:40] Speaker 2: He averaged 37.
[1:21:41] Speaker 1: No, he didn't. He's not averaging 37. He averaged 28.
[1:21:43] Speaker 1: 28 and 10. 38 and 10. And he only played 28.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: 37 and 10?
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[1:21:45] Speaker 1: I'm not putting him on. He played 28 minutes a night.
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: That's towards the end.
[1:21:48] Speaker 4: 31 and 12?
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: Now we're talking business. Now we're talking big business. All right, well,
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[1:24:27] Speaker 1: added another milestone to his illustrious career this weekend, passing
[1:24:30] Speaker 1: Robert Parrish with the most regular season games played in
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: league history. Parrish's record stood for nearly 30 years as
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: he played in 1,611 games over his 21 seasons in
[1:24:39] Speaker 1: the league. LeBron tied the record in the Lakers' win
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: over the Heat Thursday in South Beach, putting up his
[1:24:45] Speaker 1: 124th career triple-double. set the new record against the Magic
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: two days later. So Parrish averaged 4.2 rebounds as a
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: 43-year-old in his final season with the Chicago Bulls in
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: the 96-97 season. LeBron averaged a 21.7 assist, 6 rebounds
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: for the Lakers this season. So in LeBron's first 806
[1:25:03] Speaker 1: career games, he averaged 28.7 rebounds, 7 assists. In his
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: next 806 career games, he averaged 26.8 rebounds, 8 assists
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: in his In his 23-season career, LeBron only has a
[1:25:17] Speaker 1: losing record against one team, that is the Denver Nuggets, 23-25,
[1:25:21] Speaker 1: getting burped by Jokic. Well, not just then. Yeah, but historically. Oh,
[1:25:27] Speaker 1: not just then. Yeah, historically. You started the burping, kid.
[1:25:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, it just wasn't me.
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: You passed the baby along. No, I played on some
[1:25:34] Speaker 1: of them teams, but I was there for seven years. So,
[1:25:37] Speaker 1: LeBron also has a record for most career playoff games
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: with 292. So, again, when you look at all the
[1:25:42] Speaker 1: records LeBron has amassed during his career, where does playing
[1:25:44] Speaker 1: the most regular season and playoff games in NBA history
[1:25:48] Speaker 1: rank amongst LeBron's accolades? Second tier. All right. 612 games,
[1:25:59] Speaker 1: second tier. Yeah, this is second tier. You played 552
[1:26:03] Speaker 1: games in your career just pointing that out.
[1:26:05] Speaker 4: What I mean is, like, he just beat someone who
[1:26:08] Speaker 4: was a two-time All-NBA player.
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: Right, so it didn't matter how many games he played.
[1:26:12] Speaker 1: He was the chief, though. Okay, it didn't matter how
[1:26:14] Speaker 1: many games he played. Playing games and being dominant is
[1:26:17] Speaker 1: very two different things. You averaged three points.
[1:26:20] Speaker 4: You averaged four points and three points for damn near
[1:26:24] Speaker 4: 150 of those. I mean, we should have just let
[1:26:26] Speaker 4: those go, right? It should be starting. How many games
[1:26:28] Speaker 4: did you start? He was the best player on the
[1:26:31] Speaker 4: team or something like that. But just checking in the
[1:26:34] Speaker 4: game to play it, I mean, I wouldn't. If I'm him,
[1:26:37] Speaker 4: this is not– No, I'm not discrediting. I'm just saying,
[1:26:41] Speaker 4: you know, you played a season, 81 games, you averaged four.
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, the same. So LeBron James got to chase this shit. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: It's better. It's the parish. Yeah, no, I get it.
[1:26:52] Speaker 2: It's the parish.
[1:26:54] Speaker 4: Like, I think the last season, he just said, fuck it,
[1:26:56] Speaker 4: I don't even want to play no more because he was–
[1:26:58] Speaker 4: I'm going to get that checked up. He was averaging
[1:27:00] Speaker 4: a whole three points a game. It's the parish. So
[1:27:02] Speaker 4: what I'm saying is, like, LeBron's averaging.
[1:27:05] Speaker 6: No matter. He got to play these many games. Yeah,
[1:27:08] Speaker 6: so I got to play all these games. What year
[1:27:10] Speaker 6: was Robert Parrish last year?
[1:27:11] Speaker 1: 96, 97. And he came in in 1970. That's crazy.
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, barely moving out there, bitch.
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: Barely moving out there, motherfucker, man. With the knee pads? Yes.
[1:27:23] Speaker 3: Come on, man.
[1:27:28] Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
[1:27:29] Speaker 4: If you're LeBron, this is not like... It's a record,
[1:27:32] Speaker 4: but it's not a record. Because at the end of
[1:27:34] Speaker 4: the day, if someone comes and beat.
[1:27:36] Speaker 1: It, were you dominant?
[1:27:40] Speaker 4: For a thousand-something games is what matters.
[1:27:44] Speaker 1: That's the thing. I was dominant for these games. No,
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: I was available. I was available. That's what it is.
[1:27:49] Speaker 1: I'm available. Who's dominant at that age? I'm available.
[1:27:57] Speaker 4: That's why I said that is more important than the games.
[1:28:00] Speaker 4: The games itself shouldn't be that important because the person
[1:28:04] Speaker 4: who has it, the people who had it, wasn't dominant.
[1:28:08] Speaker 6: So if someone comes and beat it, what you're going
[1:28:11] Speaker 6: to be arguing is, were you LeBron James for all 1,000?
[1:28:16] Speaker 2: Nobody was.
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
[1:28:18] Speaker 3: Robert Parrish started playing basketball in 76, dog.
[1:28:22] Speaker 1: Thank you. Hey, listen. I mean, for 20... He's available.
[1:28:26] Speaker 6: He went through all eras. He's been through everything. Come on, man.
[1:28:29] Speaker 6: He's seen time change.
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: He's seen bathrooms go from color to color. to all.
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: Every hotel, man.
[1:28:39] Speaker 7: Most years.
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: He's seen time change, too. But that's like 5XYT. Yeah.
[1:28:42] Speaker 1: He done seen the world change.
[1:28:44] Speaker 2: Bow Wow was still little.
[1:28:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Lil Bow Wow. Yeah, Lil Bow Wow.
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: It was Lil Bow Wow. Like Mike. Like Mike. That
[1:29:04] Speaker 1: ain't the same as playing in the NBA in the 70s, dawg. Sidekicks. Sidekicks.
[1:29:07] Speaker 1: I mean, social media wasn't even. First of all, he
[1:29:10] Speaker 1: had real pure. So those, he had the pure. So
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: those games right there flew by anyway. Shit, I done
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: been here 10 years. 10 years. Flew by.
[1:29:22] Speaker 2: Flew by.
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: Flew by.
[1:29:24] Speaker 4: That was real good stuff back then. We seen how
[1:29:28] Speaker 4: they looked back then. They was all of 21. No hair.
[1:29:33] Speaker 1: All spots. It was a ring around back in the day.
[1:29:36] Speaker 3: Boston George, baby.
[1:29:39] Speaker 1: You don't even see that today. So something had to
[1:29:41] Speaker 1: be pure back then for you to have a whole
[1:29:46] Speaker 1: sunroof in your afro at 19 to 25. We don't
[1:29:50] Speaker 1: see that today.
[1:29:51] Speaker 3: Chief was known for the other thing, though.
[1:29:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:29:55] Speaker 3: He was on with other things. He wasn't on it,
[1:29:57] Speaker 3: but that man played basketball in 76, man.
[1:30:00] Speaker 1: I mean, that's a side. You know what I mean?
[1:30:02] Speaker 1: I'll give him credit. To be a center.
[1:30:05] Speaker 2: Him and A.C. Green.
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: To be a center at 40. Man. Think about it. Oh,
[1:30:13] Speaker 1: he guarding Shaq. With the high jump. No, he wasn't
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: guarding Shaq. He was. He was not. Him, Kevin Willis.
[1:30:17] Speaker 2: Kevin Willis was old, too.
[1:30:19] Speaker 3: No, Chief wasn't getting that action.
[1:30:21] Speaker 1: Kevin Willis was 47. He wasn't getting that action. Chief
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: wasn't getting that action, dog. But I'm just saying. He
[1:30:27] Speaker 1: stopped starting five years before. Yeah, he wasn't getting that action.
[1:30:30] Speaker 1: He was just getting out there.
[1:30:31] Speaker 2: Wait, so how long did Kareem Abdul-Jabbar play?
[1:30:34] Speaker 1: I thought he played longer. I thought he played longer.
[1:30:36] Speaker 1: 20 seasons. 20 seasons.
[1:30:37] Speaker 2: So Robert Parrish played longer then?
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: Played more games.
[1:30:40] Speaker 4: Oh.
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: I think 21 seasons, the career is 20. But let's
[1:30:43] Speaker 1: move over to you. When you look at this achievement
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: from LeBron, passing Robert Parrish's record of career games played,
[1:30:50] Speaker 1: how impressive is that to you?
[1:30:53] Speaker 7: What this has proven to me is that LeBron James
[1:30:56] Speaker 7: is the most durable professional athlete ever. I'm talking about
[1:31:01] Speaker 7: professional athlete, all sports, all time, ever, ever, ever. I
[1:31:07] Speaker 7: have never seen anything like this. He is the king
[1:31:12] Speaker 7: of durability. He is the king of duration. He is
[1:31:18] Speaker 7: the king of longevity. And I don't like to talk
[1:31:22] Speaker 7: about this because I'm going to just say it publicly,
[1:31:24] Speaker 7: but first I'm going to knock on wood. The most
[1:31:27] Speaker 7: incredible thing about LeBron James is he's 23 seasons at
[1:31:32] Speaker 7: age 41. He's had zero surgeries, zero surgeries. Is that
[1:31:40] Speaker 7: about him, or is it thank you, God, or you're
[1:31:43] Speaker 7: just really blessed? What is it? I can't explain it.
[1:31:48] Speaker 7: I just know he obviously takes care of himself, and
[1:31:52] Speaker 7: I do think it was important that his trainer, Mike Mancius,
[1:31:55] Speaker 7: was an apprentice under the greatest trainer ever, Tim Grover,
[1:31:58] Speaker 7: Michael Jordan's trainer, Kobe's trainer, D. Wade's trainer, and I
[1:32:02] Speaker 7: think Mike learned a lot of how to from Tim
[1:32:07] Speaker 7: that he transferred into LeBron's way of thinking. And LeBron
[1:32:11] Speaker 7: obviously has stuck with that routine day after day after day.
[1:32:16] Speaker 7: But when you can play that long and you have
[1:32:20] Speaker 7: no knee surgery, you don't even have scope for meniscus tear.
[1:32:23] Speaker 7: When you have no shoulder surgery, when you have no
[1:32:26] Speaker 7: Achilles injury, when you have no broken bones in your
[1:32:31] Speaker 7: arms or legs, not one broken bone, you bust your
[1:32:34] Speaker 7: nose one time, missed one game, but I'm not going
[1:32:37] Speaker 7: to count that. In your extremities, you have broken no bones.
[1:32:42] Speaker 7: So not one time has anything threatened your longevity at all.
[1:32:48] Speaker 7: So clearly, all the Ironman records, he's just going to
[1:32:52] Speaker 7: pass them all because you just keep on going. And
[1:32:56] Speaker 7: it's not shameful that he keeps on going because to
[1:32:58] Speaker 7: your point, nobody has remotely played at this level this
[1:33:02] Speaker 7: long in year 23 because he's still... He's still balling, man.
[1:33:08] Speaker 7: He's changed a lot of the way he approaches it.
[1:33:10] Speaker 7: He's more playing bully ball now. But what gets me
[1:33:14] Speaker 7: about the no surgeries is he's the most overpowering driver
[1:33:19] Speaker 7: of the basketball I've ever seen. So he knew from
[1:33:23] Speaker 7: the start he could bully ball anybody because he's 6'9,
[1:33:26] Speaker 7: whatever you want to call him, 260, 270 at some points.
[1:33:30] Speaker 7: So he's ambidextrous, so he can go left or right,
[1:33:32] Speaker 7: and he can just attack the rim like nobody ever
[1:33:35] Speaker 7: attacked it. So he is high contact because he's going
[1:33:40] Speaker 7: to get hit in the air a whole lot. And
[1:33:43] Speaker 7: he's going to fall a whole lot. And yet, and still,
[1:33:47] Speaker 7: 23 years and not, I'm knocking on wood, not a
[1:33:50] Speaker 7: single surgery and still playing at this high level because
[1:33:55] Speaker 7: you haven't had anything career-threatening. It's... It's impossible. It's unheard of.
[1:34:01] Speaker 7: Maybe it's a tribute to modern medicine.
[1:34:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to say.
[1:34:04] Speaker 4: Huh?
[1:34:04] Speaker 7: The man upstairs.
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: You should have come out with like a book. The
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: man upstairs. That's what I said. And himself.
[1:34:09] Speaker 2: You know, this trainer will have the number one selling book.
[1:34:13] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:34:16] Speaker 4: We can say Iron Man, and then we can just
[1:34:18] Speaker 4: sit here and say, outside of Jordan breaking his foot
[1:34:21] Speaker 4: his second year.
[1:34:22] Speaker 1: Yep. That was it. Yep.
[1:34:27] Speaker 4: And he was a very different player. He was more agile,
[1:34:31] Speaker 4: jumping without the strength, getting clothesline, and you're talking about retirement.
[1:34:39] Speaker 1: His retirement to go do other things was his surgery.
[1:34:44] Speaker 4: But physically, he was just as dominant as LeBron James was.
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: Gil, think about this. Think about this. LeBron has now played.
[1:34:50] Speaker 1: You've seen him on the Wizards, bro.
[1:34:56] Speaker 7: Okay, LeBron has played 658 more games than Jordan.
[1:35:00] Speaker 1: 658 more. He played 82 games.
[1:35:01] Speaker 7: How many more games did he play, Morty? 658.
[1:35:03] Speaker 6: That's the equivalent of eight 82-game seasons.
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: Don't compare years.
[1:35:07] Speaker 2: Okay, so.
[1:35:14] Speaker 6: He's the biggest Jordan fan. Don't want to add Jordan
[1:35:16] Speaker 6: to this. Like, God damn.
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: Can he have his own thing? I said outside of
[1:35:21] Speaker 1: his injury.
[1:35:22] Speaker 6: You can do that to fucking everybody.
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: Outside of just Jordan breaking his foot. He, 82 games
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: first year, broke his foot, came back 82, 82, 81, 82, 82, 80, 78.
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: Then he retired. No broken nothing. Then he came back.
[1:35:41] Speaker 1: He retired. Came back, played the last 17 games. Then
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: he went 82, 82, 82. Then he retired.
[1:35:50] Speaker 2: Kobe played until nothing happened. Until he tore his ACL.
[1:35:53] Speaker 1: Until he tore his ACL.
[1:35:55] Speaker 2: At 37.
[1:35:56] Speaker 1: What did he mean? He had shoulder surgery? He had knee? Yeah, knees.
[1:35:59] Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
[1:36:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:36:03] Speaker 4: Then he retired for three years and came back. No trend,
[1:36:06] Speaker 4: just came back.
[1:36:06] Speaker 1: Hey, I'm about to play now. 60 games, then 82.
[1:36:10] Speaker 2: Okay. How many years did he play?
[1:36:15] Speaker 3: Really played?
[1:36:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:36:17] Speaker 4: How many years did he play? They have him for
[1:36:20] Speaker 4: 15 years. They count two of the Wizards, which would
[1:36:23] Speaker 4: be You take those off, that's 13 years. Then you
[1:36:26] Speaker 4: count the broke foot year, that's 12.
[1:36:27] Speaker 1: Then you count when he came back off of retirement
[1:36:30] Speaker 1: and played the 17th, so 11. So out of 11 years,
[1:36:33] Speaker 1: he played 82 how many games? Nine times. So out
[1:36:37] Speaker 1: of 11 years, he played.
[1:36:38] Speaker 7: And off the broken foot, he did come back and
[1:36:39] Speaker 7: play in the playoffs.
[1:36:40] Speaker 1: Yes. So whatever.
[1:36:41] Speaker 6: So out of 11 real years, he played 82 games
[1:36:46] Speaker 6: nine times, and then he played an 81 and an 80.
[1:36:48] Speaker 2: 11. What year is this for LeBron?
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: 23.
[1:36:54] Speaker 6: How can you even compare? He played two of Michael
[1:36:58] Speaker 6: Jordan's years. You shouldn't even put Jordan in this.
[1:37:02] Speaker 1: There's no need to add Jordan to.
[1:37:05] Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. He never got injured. He never
[1:37:09] Speaker 6: had a surgery.
[1:37:10] Speaker 2: 11 years.
[1:37:11] Speaker 1: 23.
[1:37:13] Speaker 6: There's no need to put Jordan in this.
[1:37:16] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. You can take 11 of anybody's years.
[1:37:20] Speaker 1: What he's saying is Iron Man. No, no, so 82, like...
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: Iron Man. 82 is Iron Man. Iron Man.
[1:37:27] Speaker 2: 11 years.
[1:37:28] Speaker 1: It ain't 23. It ain't 23, though. No, it's not 23.
[1:37:31] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:37:32] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. If I played a 50 and
[1:37:34] Speaker 1: a 60 here and there. But that's what I'm saying.
[1:37:37] Speaker 6: We're talking about injuries.
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: John Stockton never had an injury either.
[1:37:42] Speaker 2: So add them to it.
[1:37:43] Speaker 1: We're talking about injuries. Like someone who's never had injuries.
[1:37:46] Speaker 1: Stockton not in the goatee.
[1:37:47] Speaker 2: Thank you. That's what I'm saying.
[1:37:48] Speaker 1: 82 games, 16 times. John Stockton?
[1:37:49] Speaker 6: Yes.
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: 82 games, 16 times. Stockton was. Man, 80 games. Carmelone,
[1:37:57] Speaker 1: same shit. They up there. No real injuries. He played
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: 82 games in the last four seasons of his career.
[1:38:07] Speaker 1: I was the training or was they on that?
[1:38:09] Speaker 2: Man, I don't know.
[1:38:11] Speaker 1: I'm just saying. You're playing 82 games for 16. What
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: type of shit are y'all taking? Salt Lake City. They
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: just winning. Whatever make you bald-headed at 22, whatever that is.
[1:38:22] Speaker 1: Whatever that is. I don't know what it is. yeah
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: yeah yeah whatever that is.
[1:38:27] Speaker 4: That make me bald head but i got big muscles
[1:38:30] Speaker 4: right you know i got i'm just just strong as
[1:38:32] Speaker 4: a motherfucker now careful with that statement no i'm just
[1:38:35] Speaker 4: saying i came in with hair be careful with this.
[1:38:38] Speaker 1: No i'm just saying i came in with hair two
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: years later i got nothing but i got more muscles
[1:38:41] Speaker 1: whatever that is 82 82 82.
[1:38:45] Speaker 2: 82?
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: No, I'm just talking about the 80s from 90s.
[1:38:49] Speaker 3: I know Clyde Drexler.
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying.
[1:38:52] Speaker 3: Charles Barkley.
[1:38:53] Speaker 1: I know George. That's what I'm saying. Everybody had the
[1:38:55] Speaker 1: bald head. LeBron.
[1:38:57] Speaker 2: LeBron.
[1:38:58] Speaker 1: But we just know.
[1:38:59] Speaker 6: Only one who still had the hair during that time
[1:39:01] Speaker 6: was Pat.
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: Yep. Yep. We just know that. We know Pat wasn't
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: fucking around.
[1:39:07] Speaker 3: Line this Eddie up, baby.
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Whole gun be cut. Line it.
[1:39:12] Speaker 3: Hey, lying is widows.
[1:39:14] Speaker 6: I'm just saying, I'm just saying, every sport, every sport
[1:39:18] Speaker 6: was being busted, but basketball. You can't do that. You
[1:39:23] Speaker 6: can't say that.
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: But every sport was busted besides basketball.
[1:39:27] Speaker 6: Why can't they just have a, know the secret?
[1:39:30] Speaker 2: Why they just can't be doing the right things?
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: What's the right, well, tell us what's the right thing?
[1:39:34] Speaker 9: Because guys are missing games and getting hurt now, but
[1:39:36] Speaker 9: you're playing.
[1:39:37] Speaker 1: No, no, he's talking about, like, that they did the
[1:39:39] Speaker 1: right things and they, no, I'm saying, like, uh.
[1:39:41] Speaker 3: Now, they had the worst shit going in the 80s.
[1:39:43] Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.
[1:39:45] Speaker 3: Listen, they had no private planes.
[1:39:48] Speaker 1: They would have to get up and catch the first
[1:39:49] Speaker 1: flight out. No trainer.
[1:39:51] Speaker 6: They playing NBA games, hanging out all night, and getting
[1:39:54] Speaker 6: on the.
[1:39:54] Speaker 2: First thing smoking.
[1:39:55] Speaker 1: He played on concrete all his life.
[1:39:56] Speaker 2: So what's the difference?
[1:39:57] Speaker 1: Okay, how about this? He used to dunk on concrete,
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: like jump hard as hell on concrete. And so did
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: they before they got NBA. That's what I'm saying.
[1:40:04] Speaker 2: There's not no difference.
[1:40:05] Speaker 1: You're not saying... Let's just say some players then....
[1:40:11] Speaker 4: Was being investigated by the FBI for.
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: Getting that stuff. Getting that stuff, but they never got
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: tested in the NBA. Is it a difference? Whole FBI
[1:40:24] Speaker 1: chasing them from city to city, cleaning the NBA because
[1:40:27] Speaker 1: they didn't test them.
[1:40:29] Speaker 4: I'm not testing you during this big old thing to
[1:40:32] Speaker 4: make my league.
[1:40:33] Speaker 2: No.
[1:40:35] Speaker 1: What? They didn't get tested until 2000.
[1:40:38] Speaker 3: They never did it, but allegedly it don't stay in
[1:40:40] Speaker 3: the system that long.
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: For you to get.
[1:40:44] Speaker 1: Which one? Coke. For you to get busted, you gotta
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: be on it. Right now. You got to be. Like,
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: I'm getting tested tomorrow. Yeah, like, right now.
[1:40:53] Speaker 6: I'm going to go in that bitch right before. I'm
[1:40:58] Speaker 6: going to go in there as he pissing me.
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: You know how dumb you are? I remember the first
[1:41:03] Speaker 1: person that got called, we was like, how? Easy. Did
[1:41:08] Speaker 1: you do it yesterday? You about to get tested. All right,
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: let's go. Whoa. You got to be on it.
[1:41:16] Speaker 4: But we know, we know as NBA, like, they didn't
[1:41:18] Speaker 4: start testing, testing. Like, 80s, they didn't test them. Like,
[1:41:22] Speaker 4: the league was trying to be a league. The one
[1:41:24] Speaker 4: thing they didn't want is drug allegations during drug years.
[1:41:28] Speaker 1: Same thing like the 90s. Baseball getting busted. Football getting busted.
[1:41:31] Speaker 4: NBA didn't get busted because I test you October 1st, allegedly.
[1:41:36] Speaker 1: Then I take your word for it. And I'm not
[1:41:38] Speaker 1: going to test you again until October 1st. Yeah. That's it.
[1:41:42] Speaker 1: I'm not gonna test you no more.
[1:41:43] Speaker 2: Bunch of fiends.
[1:41:44] Speaker 1: So if I missed you that day, I'll see you
[1:41:46] Speaker 1: next year.
[1:41:47] Speaker 4: So if I came and you wasn't there when it
[1:41:49] Speaker 4: was testing day, see you next year.
[1:41:51] Speaker 1: You know what started happening, right? You wanna go talk?
[1:41:54] Speaker 3: Dude started getting pulled over for weed and it was.
[1:41:57] Speaker 1: You wanna talk about life?
[1:41:58] Speaker 3: Dude started getting pulled over for weed and.
[1:42:01] Speaker 1: They got arrested for weed, but there's no testing in
[1:42:03] Speaker 1: the NBA. Yeah, there is. Have you never noticed that, huh?
[1:42:05] Speaker 1: When was the last time somebody got suspended for weed
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: in the NBA? Not no more.
[1:42:09] Speaker 2: Never?
[1:42:09] Speaker 1: Never.
[1:42:10] Speaker 2: Not no more.
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: Never.
[1:42:12] Speaker 2: Not no more.
[1:42:12] Speaker 1: No, never. Yeah, the people's getting suspended now.
[1:42:16] Speaker 2: Who?
[1:42:16] Speaker 1: The few who got the five games. Somebody got the
[1:42:19] Speaker 1: five games?
[1:42:20] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:42:22] Speaker 1: You know how?
[1:42:24] Speaker 7: How?
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: He's a hell of a drug. How you get the five?
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: There's one.
[1:42:33] Speaker 3: I know a few more that got the five.
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: You get a warning first, a $ 5, 000 five. 25 second. Second, 25.
[1:42:40] Speaker 3: And then five games.
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: No, you're talking about the program. Program first. Program first.
[1:42:45] Speaker 1: Program first.
[1:42:46] Speaker 3: If you get caught again, that's.
[1:42:48] Speaker 8: $ 25, 000.
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: The third time is five games. Oh, it's third? I
[1:42:52] Speaker 1: thought it was the fourth.
[1:42:54] Speaker 3: But the caveat is, with it used the way it was,
[1:42:58] Speaker 3: I don't know if it's changed.
[1:43:00] Speaker 1: Just say if you knew you was dirty. Just say
[1:43:01] Speaker 1: if you got your.
[1:43:01] Speaker 2: You got to tell them.
[1:43:02] Speaker 3: Whatever it is, you got one.
[1:43:04] Speaker 2: Two, ten.
[1:43:05] Speaker 1: Call. Hey, before that sample hit the lab, right? You
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: can pee in the cup. But before it hit the lab,
[1:43:13] Speaker 1: you better be on that phone.
[1:43:14] Speaker 3: Hey, that sample I just gave y'all, it's dirty and
[1:43:17] Speaker 3: I need to enter the program.
[1:43:20] Speaker 1: And it's wiped. You can do that every season. But
[1:43:24] Speaker 1: for those who.
[1:43:28] Speaker 4: The NBA wasn't trying to catch you. It wasn't trying
[1:43:34] Speaker 4: to catch you. It's a players league, so I don't
[1:43:38] Speaker 4: want you to be caught so it's headlines and all that,
[1:43:43] Speaker 4: so no.
[1:43:43] Speaker 7: Same way for PEDs?
[1:43:48] Speaker 3: Certain drugs you get caught in your system, they kicking
[1:43:52] Speaker 3: you out.
[1:43:53] Speaker 4: It ain't even a question. You got to file for reinstatement.
[1:43:58] Speaker 4: They're not going to name it. Whatever it is, it's
[1:44:02] Speaker 4: going to be thinking. If you get expelled from there...
[1:44:06] Speaker 4: If it's two years, you know something.
[1:44:09] Speaker 3: But you got to file for reinstatement in two years.
[1:44:11] Speaker 3: So it ain't automatic. You got to file for reinstatement.
[1:44:15] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:44:16] Speaker 3: And then they have the discretion whether they're going to
[1:44:18] Speaker 3: let you back in or not. Certain PEDs, there's 25 games.
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: There's 25. It's off top.
[1:44:24] Speaker 3: First one is 25 games.
[1:44:27] Speaker 1: Something hard, what's so funny is Coke is two years.
[1:44:31] Speaker 1: PED is 25. That's crazy. What is different though? I'm
[1:44:35] Speaker 1: just saying. Hey, what's up with y'all? Like, permethazine and
[1:44:38] Speaker 1: all that. Like, codeine and all that. That shit is...
[1:44:40] Speaker 1: Y'all gonna go to the rehab? That shit is new.
[1:44:44] Speaker 3: It's two years off top and then you got a
[1:44:46] Speaker 3: five-year end statement.
[1:44:47] Speaker 1: The codeine?
[1:44:48] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because it breaks once it hits your system,
[1:44:50] Speaker 4: it breaks down.
[1:44:50] Speaker 1: It's heroin. Yep, heroin. Oh, man, heroin. What's so funny?
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: Players didn't know that.
[1:44:56] Speaker 3: If you drink codeine and you give me a sip,
[1:44:58] Speaker 3: it breaks down the heroin. So when you test, it
[1:45:00] Speaker 3: tests that you on heroin.
[1:45:01] Speaker 4: And a lot of players didn't know that. You're talking
[1:45:02] Speaker 4: about the guys from the South, they thinking it's cool
[1:45:04] Speaker 4: and they drinking the lean. They didn't know that it
[1:45:06] Speaker 4: broke down as heroin.
[1:45:07] Speaker 3: You see them dudes, they searching for it. They ain't
[1:45:11] Speaker 3: around that motherfucker itching and shit. They haven't gone through withdrawals, bro.
[1:45:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, I'm in love.
[1:45:19] Speaker 6: My first, my last, I'm on the plane watching dudes.
[1:45:22] Speaker 6: I'm like, you motherfuckers is crazy. Yep.
[1:45:30] Speaker 3: Y'all, that's what this NBA has come to? Like, my
[1:45:33] Speaker 3: last year, bro, I was in Milwaukee. I would watch
[1:45:34] Speaker 3: this shit. I was like, let me talk to you
[1:45:38] Speaker 3: over here, young fella.
[1:45:39] Speaker 1: Hey, man, you tripping. You are tripping, bro. That. Let's
[1:45:47] Speaker 1: keep this thing moving.
[1:45:48] Speaker 3: Want to bump G?
[1:45:50] Speaker 1: One last thing we got to talk about on the
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: show today. More positive. KD continued his ascension up the
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: scoring list this weekend, moving MJ out of the top
[1:46:00] Speaker 1: five during the Rockets' win over the Heat Saturday night.
[1:46:03] Speaker 1: Durant needed all 27 of his points in the game
[1:46:06] Speaker 1: to move into fifth place, knocking down back-to-back threes in
[1:46:09] Speaker 1: the fourth quarter to put him over the top. Rockets
[1:46:12] Speaker 1: also got the win thanks to a buzzer-beating tip-in from
[1:46:14] Speaker 1: Eamon Thompson. I don't know. Here it is. Right here.
[1:46:20] Speaker 1: What are you helping for? Thank you. Right. Like, what
[1:46:22] Speaker 1: are you doing? Ask him all of your plans. Like,
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: who do you think you guarding over there?
[1:46:25] Speaker 2: But they teach that, though.
[1:46:27] Speaker 1: Teach me, though. Teach you to not guard Kevin Durant? No,
[1:46:29] Speaker 1: they teach you to help.
[1:46:30] Speaker 3: They don't teach you that.
[1:46:31] Speaker 2: They do teach you to help.
[1:46:32] Speaker 3: Then you a dumb student. So I wish you would.
[1:46:35] Speaker 3: I wish we would be in the film session. You
[1:46:36] Speaker 3: tell me, hey, I need you to be in this
[1:46:38] Speaker 3: gap on this drive, and I'm guarding KD.
[1:46:40] Speaker 2: And he just hit one.
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: Who the fuck if he hit one or not?
[1:46:44] Speaker 2: They don't care about it.
[1:46:45] Speaker 3: Nigga, I'm guarding Kevin Durant here in that corner.
[1:46:46] Speaker 1: You know what I'm doing?
[1:46:47] Speaker 2: No.
[1:46:48] Speaker 3: Hey, I'm going KD in that corner. You drive, guess
[1:46:50] Speaker 3: what I'm doing? Hey, my hand and Kevin Durant's chest. Cool,
[1:46:57] Speaker 3: you moved, that's good. You ain't on the three-point line
[1:46:59] Speaker 3: no more. They said they'd teach you.
[1:47:02] Speaker 1: I'm talking about, I wish I would. You can't be a.
[1:47:05] Speaker 4: Student of basketball if you following orders like that.
[1:47:10] Speaker 1: So after the game, Durant reflected on what it meant
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: to pass one of his idols on the scoring list. Man,
[1:47:15] Speaker 1: it means a lot.
[1:47:15] Speaker 12: I'm just grateful to do it here in front of
[1:47:17] Speaker 12: a great fan base who showed me.
[1:47:18] Speaker 1: So much love. You know, support me every game. I'm
[1:47:23] Speaker 1: just grateful to be here. Man, what a journey it's been.
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to keeping it going.
[1:47:28] Speaker 13: You told me the first time you really remember watching
[1:47:31] Speaker 13: Michael Jordan play was back in 1997 when the Chicago
[1:47:34] Speaker 13: Bulls took on your hometown Washington Bullets in the first
[1:47:36] Speaker 13: round of the NBA playoffs. So here's my final question
[1:47:40] Speaker 13: to you. How did that eight-year-old kid become the 37-year-old
[1:47:43] Speaker 13: man that just passed MJ?
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: You're showing my age right now.
[1:47:48] Speaker 12: But, man, just discipline, hard work, just showing up every day,
[1:47:52] Speaker 12: that's simple.
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: I got great people around me.
[1:47:54] Speaker 12: I got family, friends, coaches, teammates that invested in me
[1:47:58] Speaker 12: when they didn't have to. I'm just grateful for everybody
[1:48:00] Speaker 12: along this journey, and I.
[1:48:01] Speaker 1: Want to keep it going. So Durant followed up the
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: historic game by dropping his second 40-piece of the season
[1:48:07] Speaker 1: in the loss of the Bulls Monday. Here's an updated
[1:48:10] Speaker 1: look at the NBA's all-time scoring list, just for reference sake.
[1:48:16] Speaker 1: So Durant should pass Kobe for fourth at some point.
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: next season. Still got a ways to go to crack
[1:48:22] Speaker 1: that top three. What are your thoughts on Kevin Durant
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: moving into fifth on the NBA's career scoring list? No,
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: what I noticed, I might name my son with a K.
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: Can we see the scoring list again, please, if you
[1:48:36] Speaker 1: don't mind? Yeah, them K's. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:48:39] Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean?
[1:48:43] Speaker 1: It's awesome. But, I mean, top 20 is great, right? Like,
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: you was him. Top 10, you are known. Top five,
[1:49:02] Speaker 1: that is considered statue. you are a statue.
[1:49:07] Speaker 2: Where?
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: In the world. I don't give a fuck where it's at.
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: It's a statue. Just life. Just life itself. If you
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: are top five in the.
[1:49:18] Speaker 4: World at what you do, you're a statue. That's what
[1:49:21] Speaker 4: it is. He's going to be four next year and
[1:49:27] Speaker 4: he's going to be sitting there trying to get to three.
[1:49:30] Speaker 4: It just shows you how great he has been for
[1:49:37] Speaker 4: this long, right? And I think sometimes we, we get
[1:49:43] Speaker 4: so stuck on not liking somebody for something so minor
[1:49:48] Speaker 4: and we forget like who they are and what they do, right?
[1:49:52] Speaker 4: I seen someone said, yeah, man, you know, he's averaging 27,
[1:49:56] Speaker 4: 28 for the last boom, boom, boom. I'm excited to
[1:49:59] Speaker 4: push this guy who's averaging 22 in front of him.
[1:50:03] Speaker 4: Because that's what ends up doing. People are so good
[1:50:05] Speaker 4: for so long, we want someone else there. And we
[1:50:09] Speaker 4: kind of forget what they do. And, you know, the
[1:50:13] Speaker 4: list don't lie. The numbers don't lie.
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: The guys that's up there, that's not a mistake.
[1:50:18] Speaker 4: You can make a mistake for a game. You can
[1:50:19] Speaker 4: have a great week. You can have a great year.
[1:50:23] Speaker 4: Great careers, that's dedication. And, you know, he's up there
[1:50:27] Speaker 4: with the greats because he is one.
[1:50:30] Speaker 1: So, Swaggy, thoughts on KD moving into fifth? The NBA's
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: all-time career scoring list. Got my Houston on. Did you
[1:50:37] Speaker 1: wear that for? What, for today? Katie?
[1:50:41] Speaker 2: I like it.
[1:50:42] Speaker 1: I like it. I love it.
[1:50:44] Speaker 2: You know, it was an insane draft. It was an
[1:50:47] Speaker 2: insane draft? Yeah.
[1:50:48] Speaker 1: You played each other in the NCAA tournament, too. Yeah,
[1:50:50] Speaker 1: I put him out.
[1:50:52] Speaker 6: You know, okay, I won a championship with him, so
[1:50:57] Speaker 6: it's good to see the teammate die.
[1:51:00] Speaker 2: I won with to see like this, you know.
[1:51:03] Speaker 6: And, you know, the only thing about, like, these guys
[1:51:07] Speaker 6: moving up, you're going to see Jordan at, like, number
[1:51:10] Speaker 6: 10 in a minute, I feel like. All these great
[1:51:13] Speaker 6: scorers coming in, and you're going to see the Kobe's
[1:51:17] Speaker 6: and Jordan just keep moving further and further back. And that's, like,
[1:51:23] Speaker 6: kind of saddening point, you know, a little point, but.
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: It's a part of growth and evolution. Before Jordan and
[1:51:30] Speaker 1: Kobe got there, there was somebody else, Dr. J and
[1:51:32] Speaker 1: all of them. But we didn't have the internet, Gil,
[1:51:34] Speaker 1: so we couldn't readily reference that information. Wiltz. Remember those?
[1:51:40] Speaker 1: They was up there at one point. They got moved down.
[1:51:42] Speaker 1: It's history. It's life. Nobody's gonna catch that. J.K. got done. J.K.
[1:51:47] Speaker 3: Was number three on the all-time three-point list. The kid
[1:51:50] Speaker 3: motherfucking like 19 now. So let's move on to UKD.
[1:51:57] Speaker 3: Passing MJ. Fifth all-time on the NBA career scoring list.
[1:52:01] Speaker 7: So for the record, Kevin Durant has played 119 more
[1:52:04] Speaker 7: games than Michael Jordan played. So let's start with that.
[1:52:08] Speaker 7: But we can flip that script. And for the record, Michael,
[1:52:13] Speaker 7: to date, has taken 2,223 more shots than Kevin has
[1:52:19] Speaker 7: taken right here, right now. So what Kevin has proven
[1:52:24] Speaker 7: is that as a kind of a medium-volume shooter. He's
[1:52:30] Speaker 7: unselfish sometimes to a fault. He doesn't attempt that many
[1:52:34] Speaker 7: shots per game, but he has proven to be the
[1:52:36] Speaker 7: most efficient jump-shooting scorer I think we've ever seen. Just jump-shooting, pure,
[1:52:43] Speaker 7: because that's how he scores. He doesn't get to the
[1:52:44] Speaker 7: rim that much. He just shoots twos and threes from
[1:52:49] Speaker 7: mid-range and the three-point line. He's a career 39% three-point shooter.
[1:52:53] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:52:56] Speaker 7: Quick Nick Young story if I might Josiah mentioned it
[1:53:00] Speaker 7: but back in the day I was on the show
[1:53:01] Speaker 7: called cold pizza on ESPN and day after day I
[1:53:06] Speaker 7: would talk about how I'm watching this kid at Texas
[1:53:09] Speaker 7: named Durant and he's going to win multiple NBA scoring
[1:53:13] Speaker 7: titles and I just got ridiculed day after day that
[1:53:17] Speaker 7: beanpole that praying mantis kid he's just too skinny he's
[1:53:20] Speaker 7: not going to ever do anything I said no He's
[1:53:23] Speaker 7: seven feet tall and he shoots it up here and
[1:53:25] Speaker 7: nobody can touch it and he can make it. And
[1:53:29] Speaker 7: if that's going to happen in the NBA, it's just
[1:53:31] Speaker 7: going to make scoring time. He has won four. So
[1:53:36] Speaker 7: the crescendo of my abuse came on Sunday. I think
[1:53:40] Speaker 7: it was March 18th of 2007 in Spokane, Washington. Do
[1:53:44] Speaker 7: you remember this?
[1:53:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:53:45] Speaker 7: His team crushed Kevin Durant's Texas by 19. It was
[1:53:50] Speaker 7: you and Taj Gibson.
[1:53:51] Speaker 1: Remember this?
[1:53:52] Speaker 7: Yeah, in Spokane, Washington. And I had to go in
[1:53:55] Speaker 7: the next morning and just get annihilated on there. That
[1:53:59] Speaker 7: guy is going to win multiple scoring titles? And then
[1:54:03] Speaker 7: just before the draft, we had Bill Self on, and
[1:54:06] Speaker 7: finally somebody came to my defense, and Bill Self said, hey,
[1:54:08] Speaker 7: what Skip's been saying about Kevin Durant, book it. he's
[1:54:11] Speaker 7: going to be unstoppable at the next level. And just
[1:54:15] Speaker 7: on pure shooting at that height, he's the greatest seven-foot shooter.
[1:54:18] Speaker 7: I know Dirk was really good, but he wasn't Kevin Durant.
[1:54:21] Speaker 7: So that's what he does on medium-volume shooting. He just
[1:54:26] Speaker 7: shoots twos and threes that nobody can stop, and he's
[1:54:29] Speaker 7: still doing it at an extremely high level.
[1:54:33] Speaker 1: So let's shift over to this side of the couch.
[1:54:35] Speaker 1: Can you wish a reaction to KD moving to fifth
[1:54:37] Speaker 1: all-time on the NBA career scoring list and moving MJ
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: out of the top five?
[1:54:41] Speaker 3: It's a testament to KD's hard work, his dedication to
[1:54:47] Speaker 3: his craft, fighting through major injuries, bouncing back from it
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: and still playing at the highest level that he could
[1:54:57] Speaker 3: possibly play at. We've seen with that injury have done
[1:55:01] Speaker 3: other players. To do it the fashion that he does
[1:55:10] Speaker 3: and not to convert the way the game has made
[1:55:14] Speaker 3: everybody else to consistently do it mid-range and out, and
[1:55:20] Speaker 3: not out, threes and in. Yeah, no, it's just his
[1:55:25] Speaker 3: stubbornness at greatness, right? I'm going to be great at this,
[1:55:30] Speaker 3: and I'm not going to deviate from it. That's a
[1:55:32] Speaker 3: good point, yeah. Yeah, and I just, yeah, it's just
[1:55:35] Speaker 3: me being in the league when he first came in
[1:55:38] Speaker 3: and having to have that matchup as a young, aggressive kid,
[1:55:44] Speaker 3: and to where he is now and still is doing
[1:55:47] Speaker 3: it at that level is something that you need to,
[1:55:51] Speaker 3: I'm saying, respect and teach a hat to.
[1:55:55] Speaker 1: And he's not done.
[1:55:56] Speaker 3: Still 25, 26 a night on a low end.
[1:56:04] Speaker 1: What is the low end for Kevin Durant? We don't
[1:56:06] Speaker 1: know that. He missed two years, right?
[1:56:09] Speaker 3: And he can average 25 for the next two, three
[1:56:13] Speaker 3: years and be top three in scoring. So it's things
[1:56:18] Speaker 3: like that, man, that he's still chasing, and I'm pretty
[1:56:20] Speaker 3: sure he's motivated to do it.
[1:56:22] Speaker 1: What about 1,100 or 1,100 or 1,200 more points or
[1:56:25] Speaker 1: a season? Yeah, and that's averaging 18.
[1:56:26] Speaker 3: I gave him– I did if he averaged 25 next year, which–
[1:56:39] Speaker 3: I don't see why he wouldn't in this NBA. Average
[1:56:43] Speaker 3: 25 when he wants to. So that's 1,700 points a season.
[1:56:48] Speaker 3: I gave him 70 games. I didn't even do 70
[1:56:51] Speaker 3: games at that. That's 1,700 points. So, yeah. So that's, yeah, no,
[1:57:00] Speaker 3: I mean, he's been doing it, man. And shout out
[1:57:02] Speaker 3: to KD.
[1:57:04] Speaker 1: Mr. B, what you think about KD moving into fifth
[1:57:07] Speaker 1: all time? I mean, anytime you.
[1:57:09] Speaker 9: get a chance to pass Mike on anything, you know,
[1:57:12] Speaker 9: it's a great accomplishment for sure. I've been seeing KD
[1:57:15] Speaker 9: since he was in the 10th grade. He was at
[1:57:17] Speaker 9: Cerritos College with Oak Hill, him and Ty Lawson in
[1:57:20] Speaker 9: the backcourt, and I knew then. It was something I've
[1:57:23] Speaker 9: never seen before either. He was in, like, the 11th
[1:57:26] Speaker 9: grade and just, I mean, everything. He's just effortless. He
[1:57:30] Speaker 9: is one of the greatest scorers we've ever seen. He's unguardable.
[1:57:36] Speaker 9: He works on his game. He came back from injury.
[1:57:38] Speaker 9: He still kept going. I think he's going to– I mean,
[1:57:40] Speaker 9: I know he's going to pass Kobe. He could pass
[1:57:42] Speaker 9: Karl Malone too. But it's a guy who's dedicated, who
[1:57:45] Speaker 9: loves the game. If anybody's more passionate about the game, it's,
[1:57:48] Speaker 9: you know, KD, you know.
[1:57:49] Speaker 1: Kobe, Mike, Bron. Like, he's in that category all the time. So,
[1:57:55] Speaker 1: I'm happy for him. I know he's going to keep going.
[1:57:58] Speaker 9: But he is the definition of, like, you know, a
[1:58:00] Speaker 9: person that just loves the game of basketball.
[1:58:02] Speaker 3: And to piggyback on your point, B, not a lot
[1:58:05] Speaker 3: of people– know what it is to sacrifice, right? And
[1:58:11] Speaker 3: if you want to know the meaning of sacrifice for
[1:58:16] Speaker 3: your craft and your sport, Kevin Durant is that, right?
[1:58:22] Speaker 3: His sacrifice, kids, wife, relationships.
[1:58:25] Speaker 2: True.
[1:58:26] Speaker 3: Because the most important thing in his life was basketball,
[1:58:29] Speaker 3: and he dedicated his time, extra time and more time
[1:58:33] Speaker 3: to that. It's a testament to him, man, like the
[1:58:37] Speaker 3: sacrifice that he made to be fifth all-time in climbing.
[1:58:42] Speaker 3: So that's a special being.
[1:58:45] Speaker 6: But do this scoring stuff really matter?
[1:58:48] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:58:49] Speaker 2: Is he better than, like, do you put him above
[1:58:51] Speaker 2: these guys, though?
[1:58:52] Speaker 1: Above what guys? Like, as a what? Hold on. As
[1:58:56] Speaker 1: a what? Can he score better than Mike? As a what?
[1:58:58] Speaker 1: You're saying?
[1:59:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's a better scorer than Michael Jordan?
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: Yes. I'm just saying. KD's a three-level scorer, though.
[1:59:07] Speaker 6: Like, I don't... This stuff right here, like, LeBron got
[1:59:10] Speaker 6: 43,000 points and he's not... He's still considered fucking two
[1:59:14] Speaker 6: or three. Like, why do they even show this type
[1:59:18] Speaker 6: of stuff? This stuff don't mean nothing for nobody. If
[1:59:20] Speaker 6: you still gonna put Jordan... In front of all this.
[1:59:25] Speaker 1: I mean, Mike won, though. This is just about scoring. Score-wise, yes.
[1:59:30] Speaker 1: I'm going to put KD over Mike. To me, I mean,
[1:59:33] Speaker 1: he's a 3'7. I think he has the easiest shot.
[1:59:36] Speaker 9: There's not a shot Kevin Durant hasn't seen that's not
[1:59:38] Speaker 9: easy for him.
[1:59:39] Speaker 7: In the postseason, you're going to put him?
[1:59:41] Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no.
[1:59:42] Speaker 1: Oh, score. No, I'm just talking about scoring.
[1:59:44] Speaker 2: So scoring is better than Mike. That's what I'm saying.
[1:59:48] Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that. I mean, he's a
[1:59:51] Speaker 1: three-level scorer, though.
[1:59:53] Speaker 3: I'm not going to say better score than Mike, but
[1:59:55] Speaker 3: it's easy for him. It was easy for Mike. I
[1:59:57] Speaker 3: think it's easier for Cole.
[1:59:59] Speaker 1: There's a difference. Cole made it difficult.
[2:00:02] Speaker 6: That's the thing I hate. You could pass some guys.
[2:00:06] Speaker 6: You could do more than guys. But you won't be
[2:00:09] Speaker 6: considered better than the person.
[2:00:10] Speaker 4: Because you're doing more than me because you're playing more
[2:00:14] Speaker 4: than me.
[2:00:15] Speaker 1: Right?
[2:00:15] Speaker 4: If I did something in six hours and it took
[2:00:18] Speaker 4: you 18, you're not better than me. I averaged 30
[2:00:21] Speaker 4: for my career.
[2:00:23] Speaker 1: But it's a short career. Because it was so easy,
[2:00:27] Speaker 1: I went to go fucking play baseball. That's your problem.
[2:00:30] Speaker 1: That's not my problem. It was so easy, I went
[2:00:32] Speaker 1: to go play baseball. That's not my problem, though. It
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: ain't your problem.
[2:00:35] Speaker 6: So that don't make you better than me because you
[2:00:37] Speaker 6: had two.
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: Yes, it does. My 10 scoring, you got four, right?
[2:00:40] Speaker 4: My 10 in my short, my 10 out of 11 years,
[2:00:44] Speaker 4: I had 11 real years, 10 scoring titles.
[2:00:48] Speaker 1: That means every year I showed up, give it to me.
[2:00:51] Speaker 1: Give it to me.
[2:00:52] Speaker 2: Give it to me.
[2:00:54] Speaker 1: Give it to me.
[2:00:55] Speaker 6: Give it to me. That's what he said. No matter
[2:00:59] Speaker 6: what year I showed up, give it to me.
[2:01:02] Speaker 2: I don't care.
[2:01:04] Speaker 1: They had to give MVPs to other people. You are fifth.
[2:01:06] Speaker 1: You are fifth. With 11 years. You are fifth. With
[2:01:10] Speaker 1: six rings.
[2:01:10] Speaker 2: Everybody has 20.
[2:01:18] Speaker 1: That's the difference.
[2:01:20] Speaker 4: What I do in six hours, you have to do 18.
[2:01:23] Speaker 1: But you want to be better than me. Then do
[2:01:24] Speaker 1: it in six. Let's just stop everybody at 11. Stop
[2:01:29] Speaker 1: everybody at 11 years.
[2:01:30] Speaker 6: So it's my fault that you only played 11 years.
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: No, it's your fault you got to keep playing more. Wait, wait, wait.
[2:01:36] Speaker 1: You got to play more. So it's a problem playing more. No, no,
[2:01:39] Speaker 1: it's not a problem. So what's the problem? What's the issue?
[2:01:41] Speaker 6: If we just talk about 65 games, you play 40,
[2:01:43] Speaker 6: you shouldn't be in the motherfucker. You play 11, this
[2:01:45] Speaker 6: nigga play 50, I mean 20, and you still better
[2:01:48] Speaker 6: than me?
[2:01:48] Speaker 2: It's crazy.
[2:01:49] Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
[2:01:50] Speaker 4: It took me six hours to finish this project.
[2:01:53] Speaker 1: It don't matter. It don't matter. And you get unlimited
[2:01:57] Speaker 1: time to do yours. That's not my problem. How many
[2:01:59] Speaker 1: more shots did Jordan shoot than KD? We call that
[2:02:00] Speaker 1: special ed. But how many more shots did KD? In school,
[2:02:03] Speaker 1: it's called special ed. I got to do it, but then.
[2:02:05] Speaker 6: 2,000 more shots.
[2:02:08] Speaker 1: Jordan, highest scoring average in NBA history, 30.1. KD, 6
[2:02:12] Speaker 1: at 27. Jordan is taking the fifth most field goals, though.
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: Thank you. God damn. KD, 12. That's the problem. The
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: fifth most. So he's fifth all time. That's the problem.
[2:02:23] Speaker 1: That's the problem. You got to do all that? You
[2:02:26] Speaker 1: got to shoot 2,000 more shots than me. Yeah, because
[2:02:29] Speaker 1: I don't have a three-point line.
[2:02:31] Speaker 6: What do you think the point comes from? He did
[2:02:34] Speaker 6: have a three-point line.
[2:02:37] Speaker 1: Do you know how far the three-point line was back
[2:02:39] Speaker 1: in the 80s and the 90s? He had a three-point line.
[2:02:42] Speaker 1: They didn't have the three-point line. That shit was half-court.
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: He did this because of the three-point line. That shit
[2:02:46] Speaker 1: was half-court. Where did this come from? Skip, can you
[2:02:49] Speaker 1: tell them what the three-point line was? Where did this
[2:02:50] Speaker 1: come from? Can you tell them what the three-point line was?
[2:02:52] Speaker 1: Who did he do this on?
[2:02:53] Speaker 3: It was like 24 and a half years.
[2:02:54] Speaker 1: It was 24 and a half years. Clyde Drexler, right?
[2:02:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:02:56] Speaker 1: 24 and a half feet. 24 and a half feet.
[2:02:59] Speaker 1: I mean, that's where they're shooting now. That was the
[2:03:01] Speaker 1: three-point line.
[2:03:02] Speaker 6: Until I was high enough stuff for Jordan.
[2:03:04] Speaker 1: Y'all are crazy. I mean, that's where they're shooting now.
[2:03:06] Speaker 1: They might as well move it back. How about they
[2:03:07] Speaker 1: move it back now? How about they move it back
[2:03:10] Speaker 1: to 24 and a half now? I mean, that's where
[2:03:11] Speaker 1: they're shooting now. I think they should. Guys are like, oh,
[2:03:15] Speaker 1: everything is this game. Make it even, 25. Oh, he
[2:03:16] Speaker 1: took two more thousand shots. And he's shooting 50% from
[2:03:17] Speaker 1: the field. They both are. Come on. Let them make
[2:03:27] Speaker 1: up something else. So if we're shooting both 50%. And
[2:03:30] Speaker 1: you shoot more than me. And I pass you.
[2:03:32] Speaker 6: If you shoot 2,000 more than me and I pass you.
[2:03:36] Speaker 1: Now think about it. I should be better than you.
[2:03:39] Speaker 1: Think about it. MJ 33% from three. KD 39. Think
[2:03:42] Speaker 1: about what we're saying.
[2:03:44] Speaker 4: If we both shoot 50% from the field.
[2:03:47] Speaker 2: But you shoot more than me.
[2:03:48] Speaker 4: And I'm shooting 2,000 more.
[2:03:50] Speaker 1: And I still pass you.
[2:03:51] Speaker 2: Why?
[2:03:52] Speaker 1: Still pass you. Why?
[2:03:54] Speaker 6: What are you doing? What points are you getting that
[2:03:58] Speaker 6: I'm not getting? No, you got to ask the question. See,
[2:04:02] Speaker 6: if he shot 39%, makes sense. But we're shooting exactly
[2:04:06] Speaker 6: the same.
[2:04:06] Speaker 2: So that means I'm getting a two-pointer.
[2:04:08] Speaker 1: I'm getting a two-pointer. You're getting a three. Two-pointer.
[2:04:10] Speaker 2: Three.
[2:04:15] Speaker 1: Two pointer, three.
[2:04:17] Speaker 2: Not the same.
[2:04:17] Speaker 1: Two pointer, three. So I got five shots.
[2:04:21] Speaker 2: I can't help it, you can't shoot.
[2:04:22] Speaker 1: I got 10 points. I can't help it, you can't
[2:04:24] Speaker 1: shoot like me. I'm sorry they moved it back 100
[2:04:26] Speaker 1: feet because of me.
[2:04:27] Speaker 6: No.
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: You're shooting closer.
[2:04:28] Speaker 2: You can't shoot like me.
[2:04:29] Speaker 1: You're shooting a closer shot.
[2:04:30] Speaker 2: You can't shoot like me.
[2:04:31] Speaker 1: You're shooting a closer shot. No one can shoot like you.
[2:04:34] Speaker 2: Thank God.
[2:04:35] Speaker 1: Because we didn't in the 80s. We didn't. It's obvious.
[2:04:38] Speaker 2: 70s and 80s.
[2:04:38] Speaker 1: Bird didn't shoot them shots. They didn't have it. It's obvious.
[2:04:42] Speaker 1: You want to know the three-point, just so you know
[2:04:45] Speaker 1: the difference.
[2:04:45] Speaker 2: Let's keep making up stuff.
[2:04:46] Speaker 6: That's for Jordan to stay number one.
[2:04:50] Speaker 1: Jordan made nine threes his first year.
[2:04:53] Speaker 2: Nine threes. That's it.
[2:04:54] Speaker 1: Three, 12, seven. Work on your job. 27, 27. 92, 29, 27. No, no, no.
[2:05:01] Speaker 4: Here we go.
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: 16, right? 16.
[2:05:07] Speaker 4: They moved the three-point line in.
[2:05:13] Speaker 6: 111.
[2:05:13] Speaker 2: 111.
[2:05:14] Speaker 1: You see the difference? Do you see the difference?
[2:05:18] Speaker 2: See?
[2:05:19] Speaker 1: Here!
[2:05:21] Speaker 4: You see the difference? 80 more threes because the line... Here,
[2:05:25] Speaker 4: we know Gary Payton couldn't shoot, right? Just to show
[2:05:28] Speaker 4: you how big that difference was.
[2:05:30] Speaker 1: Hey, man. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because you
[2:05:33] Speaker 1: don't know. Gary Payton has been mentioned. Okay. Gary Payton.
[2:05:36] Speaker 1: Gary Payton. His first year.
[2:05:37] Speaker 4: This is how many shots he took. So he took
[2:05:40] Speaker 4: 13 threes his first year.
[2:05:42] Speaker 1: He made one. 23. He made three.
[2:05:45] Speaker 6: They took the three-point line away because y'all couldn't shoot.
[2:05:49] Speaker 1: 23. It's not my problem. Y'all couldn't shoot. 34. What
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: are we talking about? He shot 34 and made seven.
[2:05:55] Speaker 2: Right? What's your argument?
[2:05:56] Speaker 1: Shot 54.
[2:05:57] Speaker 4: Now think about what I'm about.
[2:06:01] Speaker 1: To say next. He shot 54. They moved the three-point
[2:06:04] Speaker 1: line in. They moved it in. Nick, he took 233.
[2:06:06] Speaker 2: Ew.
[2:06:06] Speaker 1: He took 300 the next year.
[2:06:07] Speaker 6: 380, 397.
[2:06:07] Speaker 1: He took 521 a year. You know why?
[2:06:24] Speaker 4: Because the three-point line to the NBA became the college
[2:06:29] Speaker 4: line to somebody.
[2:06:29] Speaker 1: You're going to shoot a lot of college. That's what happened. See,
[2:06:35] Speaker 1: everything just ain't numbers, right? If they move the three-point
[2:06:40] Speaker 1: line right now to the college street, right, to the
[2:06:44] Speaker 1: college street, all them bad shooters, oh, they living. They
[2:06:48] Speaker 1: going to live and die by it now because it's closer, man.
[2:06:51] Speaker 1: I get it, man. I got clothesline. I averaged 37.
[2:06:58] Speaker 2: Just keep making up stuff.
[2:06:59] Speaker 1: Fight for him. And on that note, a good place
[2:07:02] Speaker 1: for us to wrap for the day. Very spirited conversation.
[2:07:04] Speaker 1: Discussion skip. We appreciate you pulling back up to Gil's Arena. Yes, sir. So, Nick,
[2:07:11] Speaker 1: is Karl Malone a great scorer?
[2:07:15] Speaker 2: Yes.
[2:07:17] Speaker 6: Don't even get mentioned. That's why I said this don't count.
[2:07:20] Speaker 6: That don't matter. Nobody even talk about Karl Malone. But
[2:07:24] Speaker 6: what's the point of even showing stuff like that if
[2:07:25] Speaker 6: you're going to just continue to put somebody at number
[2:07:28] Speaker 6: one regardless?
[2:07:29] Speaker 3: You didn't answer my question.
[2:07:30] Speaker 1: Well, Cartman Loom was number one. Number two, right? Or three.
[2:07:34] Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know if you, but being the
[2:07:36] Speaker 6: scoring title and being the number one, the best player.
[2:07:39] Speaker 1: Ever is very different. You know what I mean? The
[2:07:42] Speaker 1: scoring and being the best ever is very different. That's
[2:07:47] Speaker 1: a crazy list.
[2:07:48] Speaker 6: How is that different? Don't you score in basketball? Is
[2:07:52] Speaker 6: that the reason why you play?
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: Scoring and playing a game of basketball is very different.
[2:07:56] Speaker 1: It's two different things.
[2:07:57] Speaker 2: 40%.
[2:07:58] Speaker 1: On that note, 40% what?
[2:08:02] Speaker 3: Of John Stockton assists with the Carmelon.
[2:08:05] Speaker 1: That's true. 40%. That's a lot. God. That means I'm
[2:08:15] Speaker 1: only passing to you. I need you. You're going to
[2:08:17] Speaker 1: put that shit in the hole. You're going to give
[2:08:18] Speaker 1: me money. Well, I don't want to pass it to
[2:08:20] Speaker 1: everybody else. With no extra dribbles. Get it up. Run through.
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: Was that the 98 championship? They made six threes. It
[2:08:28] Speaker 1: was making like six, five, two, four. Like, bruh.
[2:08:31] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[2:08:32] Speaker 3: And that was coming from two guys.
[2:08:34] Speaker 1: Yeah. Three guys. Hornacek, B. Russ, and Morris. Damn the legend.
[2:08:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:08:41] Speaker 1: No, no, no. Shout out to everybody in the chat.
[2:08:43] Speaker 1: We appreciate you as always for the love and support.
[2:08:45] Speaker 1: Shout out to everybody on this couch. This has been
[2:08:48] Speaker 1: another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. We will
[2:08:52] Speaker 1: see y'all tomorrow.

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