# Shai FLOPPING His Way To The Finals BLOWS UP Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 21 May 2025, 3 h 07 min.

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Shai Gilgeous Alexander FLOPPING His Way To The Finals BLOWS UP Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & the Gil's Arena Crew react to Shai & The Thunder putting the hammer down to prove they're the team to beat in the NBA Playoffs and discuss how the rest of the series will play out. They break down how Shai's ability to get the free throw is swinging the series and debate what the Timberwolves need to do to give Anthony Edwards help on the offensive side of the ball, before reacting to Michael Malone trolling his former team by calling Shai the MVP on National television. Next, they preview the opening game of the Eastern Conference Finals between the New York Knicks & Indiana Pacers and give their picks of who will push their team to the NBA Finals as both Jalen Brunson & Tyrese Haliburton look to take the next step towards superstardom. Finally, they break down the state of the NBA as the league will crown their 7th unique champion in 7 years, sparking a debate on if the era of dynasties ruling the association is over before reacting to the 2025 NBA All Rookie Team. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants & Brandon Jennings Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Slide into game changing comfort with MeUndies. Support the show by going to https://MeUndies.com/arena and using code ARENA to get 20% off your first order, plus free shipping Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get $5 off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code ARENA at https://shopmando.com! #mandopod Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 0:00:00 2 Min Countdown 0:02:03 Show Start 0:03:45 Money Making Sonny Enters The Arena 0:07:00 2025 All Rookie Teams 0:10:27 Zach Edey's Ceiling In The NBA 0:16:05 NIL Is Hurting The NBA Draft 0:36:15 Shai & The Thunder SMACKED The Wolves In Game 1 0:45:18 Rudy Gobert's Chance To Prove Himself 0:48:19 Shai Is FLOPPING His Way To A Title 1:18:25 Michael Malone Trolls Jokic On Live TV 1:19:08 Shai Gilgeous Alexander Wins MVP 1:25:01 Ant-Man Needs To Shoot More!! 1:43:39 Jalen Brunson Has The Mamba Mentality 1:52:43 X-Factor In The Series 1:57:11 Tyrese Haliburton Needs To Be HOSTILE!! 2:03:15 Pascal Siakam Is The Most Important Option For Indy 2:07:27 Series Predictions 2:08:28 Clark vs Reese Is A Historic Rivalry 2:22:54 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[0:24] Speaker 2: weeks in, so I ain't get my Tim boots yet.
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[0:27] Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I guess round, you know, next round maybe. Yeah.
[0:31] Speaker 1: You know, I still ain't. The proper lacing, I like that.
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[1:41] Speaker 1: Cemetery Larry. I'm broke, baby. I'm broke, baby. I'm broke, baby.
[1:48] Speaker 1: It's New York City, baby. You know what I'm saying, son?
[1:53] Speaker 1: Accent sound better? My mama.
[1:56] Speaker 5: You better stop disrespecting New York.
[1:59] Speaker 1: Shout out to the other coast, but we're here on
[2:02] Speaker 1: the west side, the best side. But for all the
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[2:09] Speaker 1: to watch. Just make sure you support the show. Here's
[2:11] Speaker 1: what's cracking in the arena today. The Thunder bounced back
[2:15] Speaker 1: from a shaky first half to smack the Wolves in
[2:17] Speaker 1: game one of the Western Conference Finals. What does Minnesota
[2:20] Speaker 1: need to do to get Ant-Man and his supporting cast
[2:23] Speaker 1: back on the right track offensively? Tough one for everyone
[2:26] Speaker 1: besides Julius Randle in that game. The Knicks and Pacers
[2:29] Speaker 1: meet in the Eastern Conference Finals in a playoff rematch
[2:32] Speaker 1: from last season. Does Indiana have enough to get the
[2:35] Speaker 1: upset again on this new-look New York squad? And the
[2:39] Speaker 1: Sky Fever game during opening weekend of the WNBA season
[2:42] Speaker 1: was the most watched ever on ESPN platforms. But is
[2:46] Speaker 1: the Kaitlyn Clark-Angel Reese rivalry becoming too toxic for the league?
[2:50] Speaker 1: A lot of stuff has been going on in the
[2:51] Speaker 1: aftermath of that game. accusations being hurled, statements being released
[2:55] Speaker 1: by the WNBA. We will get into it. But before
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[4:51] Speaker 1: And if you can't watch the show live with us
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[4:55] Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. So Tuesday, the NBA released
[4:58] Speaker 1: the all-rookie teams for this season. Let's take a look
[5:02] Speaker 1: at those lists if we can. First team featured Spurs
[5:05] Speaker 1: rookie of the year, Stephon Castle, who was the only
[5:07] Speaker 1: unanimous selection receiving all 100 first-place votes. Castle was joined
[5:12] Speaker 1: by Hawks' number one pick, Zachary Risache, who was one
[5:15] Speaker 1: vote shy of being a unanimous selection. A pair of
[5:18] Speaker 1: Grizzlies and second-rounder Jalen Wells. And ninth overall pick, Zach Eadie,
[5:22] Speaker 1: along with Wizards number two pick, Alex Saar. Second team
[5:25] Speaker 1: featured Heat big man Khalil Ware, Bulls forward Matas Buzelis,
[5:30] Speaker 1: Pelican center Yves Misi, Blazers big man Donovan Klingin, and
[5:34] Speaker 1: Wizards guard Bub Carrington. So when you look at this crew,
[5:38] Speaker 1: top ten rookies in the NBA this season, as according
[5:41] Speaker 1: to the media, how many future stars do you see
[5:44] Speaker 1: on this list?
[5:46] Speaker 5: Stephon Kossel.
[5:48] Speaker 1: I don't know anybody.
[5:49] Speaker 5: I don't know nobody else on there. I'm going to
[5:51] Speaker 5: be honest with you. It's a crew.
[5:55] Speaker 1: I like Klingham. I'm like Bozelis.
[6:00] Speaker 4: I like Edie and I like Castle. Jalen Wells could
[6:05] Speaker 4: be something.
[6:08] Speaker 5: Too.
[6:08] Speaker 1: They could have put Bronny on the list. Maybe. They
[6:11] Speaker 1: could have put Bronny.
[6:12] Speaker 5: They could have put Bronny.
[6:14] Speaker 1: Bronny did not make it.
[6:16] Speaker 5: I'm just saying, shit.
[6:17] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[6:20] Speaker 2: No, he didn't have more points, total points, than any
[6:25] Speaker 2: of them, I don't think.
[6:26] Speaker 1: Well, I'm dealing with him. He didn't play that much
[6:31] Speaker 1: this year. How many future stars do you see on
[6:32] Speaker 1: this list? Stars? Future stars. Rookie class?
[6:38] Speaker 2: The one who stands out the most is Robert Castle.
[6:43] Speaker 1: Has the most potential to be so. Reese O'Shea, obviously
[6:45] Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. Montes, maybe.
[6:49] Speaker 2: It depends on how he develops in his second year.
[6:53] Speaker 2: Alex Hart, he has the height, can shoot maybe. Tashir,
[6:57] Speaker 2: he's a shooting guard that doesn't really, he's not very
[7:02] Speaker 2: athletic at all. And not a very standout in his fundamentals.
[7:10] Speaker 1: So Jalen Wells is, you know.
[7:15] Speaker 5: Stephon Gasol.
[7:17] Speaker 1: Probably one and a half, maybe. One and a half
[7:20] Speaker 1: out of ten.
[7:20] Speaker 5: Star, right?
[7:21] Speaker 1: You're talking about star? Yeah, but, you know, just looking
[7:23] Speaker 1: at the potential. That's going to be maybe make an
[7:24] Speaker 1: all-star one day? Yeah, one and a half. This was
[7:28] Speaker 1: considered a weaker draft, obviously, in comparison to the one
[7:31] Speaker 1: that's coming up this year. But I think some young
[7:34] Speaker 1: talent in there, a lot of young players. So Grizzlies
[7:37] Speaker 1: have two first-team selections in Jalen Wells and Zach Eadie.
[7:40] Speaker 1: So nearly 22 minutes per game this season. Eadie averaged
[7:43] Speaker 1: 9.2 points, eight rebounds. 1.3 blocks, started 55 of the
[7:48] Speaker 1: 66 games he played. Edie, two-time college player of the year,
[7:51] Speaker 1: 23 years old, oldest rookie to make the team. What's
[7:54] Speaker 1: Zach Edie's ceiling in this league? There was a lot
[7:56] Speaker 1: of talk pre-draft that he would probably fall to the
[7:59] Speaker 1: late first round. Obviously, the Grizzlies took him early, took
[8:03] Speaker 1: a risk. He's solid with the team this season. What's
[8:10] Speaker 1: his ceiling? He'll be solid.
[8:18] Speaker 5: I mean, we don't know. I mean, it's too early, too.
[8:21] Speaker 5: Is it too early?
[8:23] Speaker 1: It's 23.
[8:23] Speaker 5: From what you saw. Oh, he's 23?
[8:25] Speaker 1: He's 23.
[8:25] Speaker 2: He's Ant-Man's age. It's his group. His group is Ant-Man,
[8:33] Speaker 2: all the kids from Houston. Paulo Banchero's still younger than him.
[8:40] Speaker 1: You have... Damn.
[8:45] Speaker 2: That was his high school class. His high school, Kaminga's
[8:49] Speaker 2: still younger than him. The kid's been in the league
[8:51] Speaker 2: four or five years already, so his ceiling is whatever
[8:54] Speaker 2: it is. I mean, he's going to be solid, solid
[8:58] Speaker 2: big man, but, I mean, he's not going to be
[9:00] Speaker 2: a superstar.
[9:01] Speaker 1: High ceiling. High ceiling. You feel like Zach Eady has
[9:05] Speaker 1: a high ceiling in the league? Yes, he has a
[9:06] Speaker 1: high ceiling.
[9:07] Speaker 4: He's a highly skilled big man that is now honing
[9:11] Speaker 4: into his skill set, getting into the league, getting enough minutes.
[9:16] Speaker 4: He's in a system that likes to give the.
[9:18] Speaker 1: Ball to big men.
[9:19] Speaker 4: I think now that they've got a taste of that
[9:22] Speaker 4: medicine of playing too much guard play can affect longevity
[9:26] Speaker 4: down the line in playoffs. So I think Zach will
[9:29] Speaker 4: get a lot more touches the next couple years. He'll show, what,
[9:33] Speaker 4: 10 and 10? Is that what he's? He averaged 9
[9:37] Speaker 4: and 8, I believe.
[9:37] Speaker 1: 9 and 8 is a rookie? 9 and 8, 1.3 blocks.
[9:39] Speaker 1: 9 and 8? Yeah.
[9:43] Speaker 4: 9-8 as a rookie. How many minutes? 22 minutes per game.
[9:46] Speaker 4: 22 minutes. Because he's 24, right?
[9:48] Speaker 1: 23.
[9:49] Speaker 4: All because he's 23? Yeah. I'm going to give him
[9:52] Speaker 4: more credit than that. And I think that you give
[9:53] Speaker 4: him three more years, he'll be an all-star just by default.
[9:57] Speaker 1: He's big. He knows how to score.
[9:59] Speaker 4: And once he gets in shape, when he can play
[10:01] Speaker 4: long minutes, he'll be able to be defensively in the category.
[10:05] Speaker 4: I think he's exceptional, one of the more rare exceptional
[10:10] Speaker 4: big men that we've seen. And I think it's important
[10:13] Speaker 4: to always expound on these things because– These guys like
[10:16] Speaker 4: him get overlooked because of the criticism he received before
[10:19] Speaker 4: he even got in the league. You know, second round pick,
[10:22] Speaker 4: all this kind of stuff. Being a national player of
[10:24] Speaker 4: the year.
[10:25] Speaker 1: Two-time. That doesn't go overlooked. Mr. B, when you look
[10:31] Speaker 1: at Zach Eaddy, obviously got a little bit of playoff
[10:33] Speaker 1: experience this year. The grit. I mean, he's 23, like
[10:39] Speaker 1: they said.
[10:44] Speaker 5: And we'll see.
[10:45] Speaker 1: Is that still a big deal? I mean, obviously we've
[10:47] Speaker 1: talked in the past about league going younger with those
[10:49] Speaker 1: guys trying to develop those guys. I mean, well. But
[10:52] Speaker 1: in terms of guys you want to be able to
[10:53] Speaker 1: plug in and have play right away. A rookie is
[10:56] Speaker 1: a rookie.
[10:57] Speaker 2: Either you're going to be a rookie at 26 and
[10:59] Speaker 2: you're going to learn the NBA or you're going to
[11:02] Speaker 2: learn it at 19. At the end of the day,
[11:04] Speaker 2: it's your first day on the job. So do you
[11:07] Speaker 2: want to be 26 with your first day on the
[11:09] Speaker 2: job or 19? Three years from now, y'all are all
[11:12] Speaker 2: going to be experienced. One is going to be 22.
[11:16] Speaker 2: One is going to be 29. There's a big difference.
[11:20] Speaker 2: That's the reason for the last 24 years is in
[11:24] Speaker 2: a certain way. I mean, if we want to go
[11:26] Speaker 2: through history and we want to take all the seniors
[11:29] Speaker 2: and juniors that came into the NBA and you want
[11:31] Speaker 2: to put a list together versus all the 18 and
[11:33] Speaker 2: 19-year-olds and put a list together, it will be alarming.
[11:37] Speaker 1: I mean, you can't beat the facts that have been
[11:41] Speaker 1: displayed for the last 24 years. I mean, you know.
[11:47] Speaker 1: So I just go with his. But 9 and 8.
[11:48] Speaker 1: I mean, 9 and 8 is solid. 9 and 8 is.
[11:49] Speaker 2: But I think what you're saying, 9 and 8 for
[11:52] Speaker 2: a 23-year-old isn't as impressive.
[11:56] Speaker 1: I mean, for a rookie, yeah, great.
[11:58] Speaker 2: But for a 23-year-old, that's what they're looking at. You're
[12:03] Speaker 2: not on the same value. Like, if you look, the 19-year-old, 18-year-old,
[12:07] Speaker 2: that was a second-round pick.
[12:10] Speaker 1: That's in front of him. Had more votes than him.
[12:12] Speaker 1: What was his numbers? So Jalen Wells this year, I
[12:15] Speaker 1: believe Jalen Wells turned 20 during the season. But Jalen
[12:17] Speaker 1: Wells this season, hold on one second. I'll pull it
[12:22] Speaker 1: up for you. He averaged 10 points, three rebounds, two assists,
[12:28] Speaker 1: 79 games. He's playing closer to 26. Can I go
[12:31] Speaker 1: back to the list? To the all-Rookie team list? 96 votes,
[12:36] Speaker 1: and he averaged what? He averaged 10.3 rebounds, two assists.
[12:40] Speaker 2: And what did the guy behind him, below him, with
[12:44] Speaker 2: 73 first-team votes?
[12:45] Speaker 1: 73 first-team votes for Zach Eady. He averaged, what, 9.8 rebounds.
[12:51] Speaker 2: So Zach Eady had better numbers, but they value Wells more.
[12:57] Speaker 1: Or did they just get it wrong? This is the media, Rashad.
[13:01] Speaker 1: Sometimes they get it wrong. Sometimes they value better. I
[13:04] Speaker 1: don't know.
[13:04] Speaker 5: Sometimes it's just. So I figure out what we're going on. Damn,
[13:08] Speaker 5: sometimes I.
[13:08] Speaker 1: Get it wrong.
[13:09] Speaker 5: Most of the time I get it wrong. I mean,
[13:11] Speaker 5: but being solid is fine for what I drink. He's
[13:13] Speaker 5: going to be solid. He asked me, he asked who's
[13:16] Speaker 5: going to be a star.
[13:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. Not who's going to be solid. Not E.D.
[13:19] Speaker 1: in particular. Looking at this list.
[13:21] Speaker 5: A star is an all-star, right?
[13:23] Speaker 2: So like if we stop everybody and say, all right, E.D.
[13:27] Speaker 1: 's 23.
[13:27] Speaker 2: We know his number's at 23.
[13:29] Speaker 1: Take everybody else.
[13:30] Speaker 2: What would your numbers be like at 23? Now, can
[13:35] Speaker 2: you imagine what Castle's numbers would be like at 23
[13:38] Speaker 2: years old?
[13:39] Speaker 1: What Zach? What Jalen? All they have to beat is
[13:41] Speaker 1: 9 and 8.
[13:43] Speaker 5: Castle's how old? I think 20.
[13:46] Speaker 1: 20? Yeah.
[13:48] Speaker 5: Shit.
[13:49] Speaker 1: I mean, there's data on this, man. It's not like
[13:51] Speaker 1: I'm just pulling this shit out of my ass.
[13:56] Speaker 5: There's data.
[13:57] Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Let's keep this thing moving. So, NBA Draft
[14:01] Speaker 1: Lottery was held last week. Mavs are carrying the number
[14:03] Speaker 1: one overall pick. By all accounts, it's one of the
[14:06] Speaker 1: most loaded draft classes in recent memory, led by likely
[14:09] Speaker 1: top pick Cooper Flagg, along with other young talents, and
[14:12] Speaker 1: Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, Vijay Edgecombe, to name a few.
[14:15] Speaker 1: But according to the NBA, only 106 players were early
[14:18] Speaker 1: entrants in the 2025 NBA draft, lowest number of early
[14:23] Speaker 1: entrants since 2015, when 91 underclassmen declared for the draft,
[14:27] Speaker 1: and down from a peak of 363 players in 2021.
[14:32] Speaker 1: just before the NCAA's NIL era officially began. So what
[14:36] Speaker 1: does the low amount of early entrance in the 2025
[14:38] Speaker 1: NBA draft say about the state of college hoops in
[14:42] Speaker 1: the NIL era? Nothing. Say it again. So what does
[14:50] Speaker 1: the low amount of early entrance in the 2025 NBA
[14:53] Speaker 1: draft say about the state of college hoops in the
[14:56] Speaker 1: NIL era?
[14:57] Speaker 4: Well, don't say nothing about the college hoops. It says
[14:59] Speaker 4: everything about the young guys trying to come out early.
[15:03] Speaker 4: They're seeing a bunch of examples of things not panning
[15:06] Speaker 4: out the way you think it's going to pan out.
[15:07] Speaker 4: You're not going to come out. You're not going to
[15:10] Speaker 4: play right away. You're going to have to go through
[15:11] Speaker 4: the grind. You're going to have to prove yourself. And
[15:13] Speaker 4: so the glitz and glamour of all the social media
[15:16] Speaker 4: praise that's handing you something right away, it's a longer
[15:20] Speaker 4: road for that. Everybody's seeing that. So I think the
[15:22] Speaker 4: guys are saying, I can go make money in college.
[15:26] Speaker 4: stay longer and secure this bag more than i have
[15:29] Speaker 4: to go and put up with not playing because i'm
[15:33] Speaker 4: a project instead of an established product so i think
[15:37] Speaker 4: that's more important to these guys now i think is
[15:40] Speaker 4: establishing themselves as something more than just a project in
[15:43] Speaker 4: the nba that can be thrown away at any moment
[15:47] Speaker 4: have some type of security yep you know and have
[15:50] Speaker 4: some some type of fallback so That was what I
[15:52] Speaker 4: fought for. I fought for guys to be able to
[15:55] Speaker 4: have that decision, to be able to go to college
[15:57] Speaker 4: to get paid, but have some type of security with
[16:00] Speaker 4: it and education with it to go along with it.
[16:02] Speaker 4: So I think it helps college hoops for sure.
[16:06] Speaker 1: And just looking at it, is it concerning at all
[16:08] Speaker 1: just to see that drop off, like I said, over
[16:10] Speaker 1: 300 players 2021 before you and I all started, that
[16:13] Speaker 1: number down to 106. But when you look at mock drafts,
[16:16] Speaker 1: lottery full of, obviously, freshmen.
[16:19] Speaker 5: You guys just ain't ready.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Me neither.
[16:23] Speaker 5: I mean, they are getting paid in college, though.
[16:26] Speaker 1: But when you look at even the first round slots,
[16:28] Speaker 1: it seems like a lot more opportunity.
[16:29] Speaker 2: Can you read that again? You said it right there.
[16:32] Speaker 2: Can you read it one more time, please? What would
[16:34] Speaker 2: you like me to read again? Start it off again
[16:36] Speaker 2: and read it.
[16:36] Speaker 1: The whole thing?
[16:37] Speaker 2: Yes.
[16:38] Speaker 1: So, most loaded draft. 106 players were early entrants in
[16:42] Speaker 1: the 2025 NBA draft. Lowest number of early entrants since 2015.
[16:47] Speaker 1: So 91 underclassmen entered the draft in 2015.
[16:48] Speaker 5: So 91.
[16:49] Speaker 1: In 2015. Uh-huh. How many under?
[16:50] Speaker 6: 106.
[16:50] Speaker 1: So more underclassmen.
[16:51] Speaker 5: Than 2015.
[16:51] Speaker 2: But down from 363 players in 2021. Okay, so more
[17:12] Speaker 2: freshmen and sophomores jumped into the portal. So the NIL, well,
[17:16] Speaker 2: it's not even NIL, it's the collective. The collective has
[17:19] Speaker 2: nothing to do with you being a freshman or sophomore.
[17:22] Speaker 2: Them niggas are still leaving. What has changed is seniors, 90%
[17:28] Speaker 2: of the draft is usually seniors because they're forced to
[17:32] Speaker 2: come out, right?
[17:33] Speaker 1: So when you're forced to come out, the only thing
[17:35] Speaker 1: you can do is put your.
[17:36] Speaker 2: Name in the draft and try to make a living.
[17:39] Speaker 2: So Majority of the NBA draft is the senior class
[17:45] Speaker 2: because that's the next road for them. So they're forced
[17:47] Speaker 2: into it. The reason that the number is down now
[17:51] Speaker 2: because those seniors get to go back one more year.
[17:55] Speaker 2: So if you look at the landscape of college basketball
[17:59] Speaker 2: right now, the guys that their careers is over, they
[18:02] Speaker 2: got to go overseas now.
[18:04] Speaker 1: They get their value now.
[18:07] Speaker 2: So now those guys that are 23, 24 years old
[18:11] Speaker 2: are worth two, three million. So instead of going into
[18:14] Speaker 2: the draft, they can get their year back. Oh, hey,
[18:17] Speaker 2: I'm part of the COVID year. Can I get my
[18:18] Speaker 2: year back? So all the seniors that will be coming
[18:21] Speaker 2: into the draft, they're staying one more year. Those are
[18:24] Speaker 2: the guys that are getting the two million to four million.
[18:27] Speaker 1: There's there's a 27 year old. That's on the USC team, right?
[18:35] Speaker 1: Those guys are valued.
[18:36] Speaker 2: So the older guys that were in their careers are valued.
[18:41] Speaker 2: That's what's coming in. All the overseas kids, all the
[18:44] Speaker 2: overseas kids that didn't come over here because they never
[18:48] Speaker 2: had a value, now those guys are coming into college basketball.
[18:53] Speaker 2: So now you got a whole bunch of guys that
[18:55] Speaker 2: are 24, 25 that have been.
[18:56] Speaker 1: Playing pro their whole life. They get eligibility now.
[19:01] Speaker 2: So now you've got a whole bunch of overseas guys
[19:03] Speaker 2: coming into this draft getting paid big money.
[19:06] Speaker 1: The freshmen, they're gone.
[19:08] Speaker 2: There's not enough money in college basketball that's going to
[19:10] Speaker 2: tell a top 10 pick not to come out. The
[19:12] Speaker 2: 30th pick, the last pick in the first round gets
[19:16] Speaker 2: a guaranteed.
[19:16] Speaker 1: $ 15 million. That's not in college.
[19:20] Speaker 2: So the guys that got to go overseas, make a
[19:23] Speaker 2: couple $ 200, 000, those guys are worth $ 4 million now. So
[19:26] Speaker 2: you're going to stay. What's the numbers again? So 106
[19:29] Speaker 2: early entrants. How many last year?
[19:32] Speaker 1: I don't have the number for last year, but 2021
[19:33] Speaker 1: was the peak. 27-year-old in college? Of 363 in 2021.
[19:36] Speaker 1: So we're down from a peak in 2021. Yep, the
[19:39] Speaker 1: peak of 2021. That was right before NIL started, and
[19:42] Speaker 1: I think the COVID years are done. The COVID years,
[19:44] Speaker 1: so everyone got to add their extra year now.
[19:46] Speaker 2: But this is the last year of the COVID year.
[19:48] Speaker 1: We're down 220. something.
[19:51] Speaker 5: Yep.
[19:52] Speaker 1: 257 or something. Do the math from that 2021 peak, which, again,
[19:56] Speaker 1: was pre-NIL.
[19:58] Speaker 4: You know how many of the 100 are underclassmen?
[20:02] Speaker 1: 106, the early entrants are all underclassmen. All of them.
[20:04] Speaker 2: That's just the underclassmen entering the draft this year, putting
[20:08] Speaker 2: their name in.
[20:09] Speaker 1: So how many seniors? How many seniors? How many total seniors? Yeah.
[20:13] Speaker 1: A lot. So all of those numbers are all underclassmen numbers. 106, yeah.
[20:18] Speaker 1: Down from? No. 363. Okay, all underclassmen. That's total. So
[20:22] Speaker 1: 363 early entrants in 2021. For underclassmen. For underclassmen. Freshmen, sophomores, juniors. Early, yeah.
[20:28] Speaker 1: Early entrants. So their college eligibility was not exhausted. 106. Wait, wait, wait.
[20:33] Speaker 1: Hold on. When we say underclassmen, we mean what? Freshmen, sophomores? Freshmen, sophomores, juniors, yeah.
[20:39] Speaker 2: Okay, so underclassmen is a senior who has another year, too. Remember,
[20:43] Speaker 2: everyone gets their year back.
[20:44] Speaker 5: That's what I said.
[20:45] Speaker 1: So the way you're wording it. If I'm a senior
[20:47] Speaker 1: this year. That's the way the league worded it. If
[20:49] Speaker 1: I'm a senior this year and I have another year
[20:51] Speaker 1: of eligibility, I don't have to go. Yeah, but I
[20:54] Speaker 1: think those COVID years are done now. No, this is
[20:56] Speaker 1: the last year. There were 195 early entrants in the
[21:00] Speaker 1: 2024 NBA draft. Down from there. 95 down from there.
[21:03] Speaker 1: So 195 last year, 106 this year. Hmm. It's a lot.
[21:11] Speaker 1: A lot of people change their mind. Yeah, money's high
[21:14] Speaker 1: for them. But, Gil, like you're saying, if you think
[21:16] Speaker 1: you're going to be drafted in that first round.
[21:18] Speaker 5: You're coming out.
[21:19] Speaker 1: You're coming out.
[21:21] Speaker 2: It's the guys that are like Auburn, those guys. You know,
[21:25] Speaker 2: that roster was worth $ 8 million. You got guys who
[21:28] Speaker 2: are seniors that could.
[21:32] Speaker 1: Have came out.
[21:33] Speaker 2: They're asking for $ 4 million for transfers. That averaged 12
[21:37] Speaker 2: points a game. These college coaches want older people now.
[21:42] Speaker 2: They want to win now.
[21:44] Speaker 1: So shifting to the college side, do you think the
[21:45] Speaker 1: NIL era has been good or bad for college hoops?
[21:51] Speaker 1: It's not NIL. The collective. People being able to earn
[21:54] Speaker 1: money off their name. No, no.
[21:56] Speaker 2: The collective has been bad for college basketball because there's
[22:01] Speaker 2: no loyalty to anyone. The collective is the boosters paying
[22:06] Speaker 2: for kids to leave schools. That's the collective. NIL is name, image,
[22:12] Speaker 2: and likeness. There's only a few kids that are doing that.
[22:15] Speaker 2: That's not what you're seeing. That's Shador Sanders. That's Juju.
[22:19] Speaker 2: That's Paige Bechler. This is just a small group. About
[22:22] Speaker 2: 10 kids are name, image, and likeness. Everybody else, they're
[22:27] Speaker 2: getting paid from the school themselves.
[22:29] Speaker 5: That's the problem.
[22:32] Speaker 1: Why is it a problem?
[22:35] Speaker 2: No one asks if it's a problem or not. If
[22:37] Speaker 2: there's a problem, it's the problem from the school paying. Name, image,
[22:41] Speaker 2: and likeness. You're getting paid off for your name, image,
[22:43] Speaker 2: and likeness. You're going out there getting the shoe deal.
[22:46] Speaker 2: You're going out there getting moms and pops sponsors.
[22:52] Speaker 1: That's the name, image, and likeness.
[22:53] Speaker 2: The school paying you to leave that school to come
[22:55] Speaker 2: to my school, I give you $ 2 million, I give
[22:56] Speaker 2: you $ 3 million.
[22:57] Speaker 1: That's a different beast. How is it a problem, though?
[23:00] Speaker 1: You said it was a problem. That's a problem. That's
[23:03] Speaker 1: why college is the way it is.
[23:04] Speaker 5: It's flip-flopped.
[23:07] Speaker 2: So everyone's play one year, you All-American, you did this,
[23:11] Speaker 2: your school can't afford you, they offer you $ 3 million,
[23:13] Speaker 2: you take it off. I mean, if there's a problem,
[23:18] Speaker 2: it's a problem because there's no stability right now because
[23:22] Speaker 2: everyone's just getting up and leaving because people.
[23:24] Speaker 5: Are just offering them more money.
[23:25] Speaker 4: We don't have any shackles on us anymore. It's actually
[23:28] Speaker 4: free game. We've become more than amateurs. We get to
[23:33] Speaker 4: dictate where we want to go now. So there's no
[23:36] Speaker 4: stranglehold based on our allegiance to our plantation.
[23:41] Speaker 1: We can go where we want. They won't give me
[23:44] Speaker 1: more money. I'm going to go over there.
[23:46] Speaker 4: Y'all going to raise the stakes. It's just like pro now.
[23:50] Speaker 4: Why are we not practicing pro shit?
[23:54] Speaker 1: I get it.
[23:55] Speaker 4: I mean, because I fought for it. So I know
[23:58] Speaker 4: what we're doing. And I know why they're doing it.
[24:01] Speaker 4: And it's good because everyone got to scramble now. Parents
[24:04] Speaker 4: got to get smarter. Want to get leverage?
[24:07] Speaker 1: Learn how to negotiate. What you going to do for me?
[24:12] Speaker 1: I'll tell my son to do it for you. Yeah.
[24:17] Speaker 5: I mean, I like it.
[24:18] Speaker 1: I mean....
[24:20] Speaker 4: I'm rolling with everybody. I'm broke, baby. I'm broke, baby.
[24:25] Speaker 4: We've seen coaches do this. Coach has a good run
[24:27] Speaker 4: in the tournament. See y'all later. I'm going to a
[24:29] Speaker 4: bigger school.
[24:29] Speaker 2: The problem is there's more kids jumping into the portal
[24:33] Speaker 2: than there are scholarships. If you don't get in the
[24:35] Speaker 2: portal and get the fuck out of there, you're stuck.
[24:37] Speaker 2: You're done.
[24:38] Speaker 1: You can't go back to the school. Here's the real problem.
[24:43] Speaker 1: There's a problem.
[24:45] Speaker 2: These kids have agents. These agents are saying, jump into
[24:48] Speaker 2: the portal.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Without no guarantees. Without no guarantees from anyone. Right?
[24:53] Speaker 2: You're thinking you're going to this school and you got
[24:55] Speaker 2: this negotiation. Somebody else jumped in the portal, took that money.
[24:58] Speaker 2: Now you're scrambling. So there's a bunch of kids that
[25:02] Speaker 2: are in the portal still with nowhere to go. Can't
[25:07] Speaker 2: go back to their school. No teams is looking for them.
[25:11] Speaker 2: So they're just stuck because they jumped into the portal
[25:14] Speaker 2: because it was a hot thing to do.
[25:17] Speaker 1: Next. June, what, June 8th, I think? The handicap is
[25:22] Speaker 1: coming down.
[25:23] Speaker 2: So basically everybody that's in the portal right now or
[25:25] Speaker 2: who's about to get paid, they got to get all
[25:26] Speaker 2: their money before June 8th or it kicks into.
[25:30] Speaker 1: Whatever they're going to get paid next year. So it
[25:32] Speaker 1: goes under salary.
[25:33] Speaker 2: Cap for next year, which everybody knows the salary cap
[25:36] Speaker 2: is about $ 22 million, but it goes off the football deal.
[25:38] Speaker 2: So there's going to be a lot of schools that
[25:40] Speaker 2: are popping today that's not going to be popping tomorrow
[25:43] Speaker 2: because there is a salary cap now and If you're
[25:46] Speaker 2: going to a school that's heavy in football, your basketball
[25:49] Speaker 2: ass ain't getting shit. So you can be worth $ 4
[25:51] Speaker 2: million a day, your ass is worth $ 4 tomorrow from
[25:54] Speaker 2: the same school because they're.
[25:55] Speaker 1: Not going to have the money. So you got to
[25:57] Speaker 1: eat now. Yeah, I mean.
[26:00] Speaker 2: I mean, listen, some of these girls is going in
[26:02] Speaker 2: there getting $ 100, 000. Hey, get it because it ain't in
[26:06] Speaker 2: the W for you right now.
[26:08] Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's the risk you take. I mean,
[26:11] Speaker 5: but it still gives kids an opportunity, though, to make money,
[26:13] Speaker 5: feed your families, you know. But you just got to
[26:17] Speaker 5: be more smarter.
[26:18] Speaker 1: We just need a union, that's all.
[26:21] Speaker 4: Wanted to establish an allegiance and an alliance to protect
[26:24] Speaker 4: the athletes in college when they're going through this type
[26:27] Speaker 4: of shit. You bring in the agents, you bring in
[26:30] Speaker 4: the manipulators, money's going to go all over the place.
[26:32] Speaker 4: So that's what a union should be built for, for
[26:35] Speaker 4: the college athletes. That should probably be the next step
[26:38] Speaker 4: for everybody to try to do to protect these kids
[26:41] Speaker 4: from the sharks. And then when you get that, shit,
[26:44] Speaker 4: everybody's going to be fine. You implement education behind it,
[26:48] Speaker 4: teach them how to spend their money and invest. There'll
[26:51] Speaker 4: be more smarter kids than there would be a bunch
[26:53] Speaker 4: of dumb motherfuckers spending money and acting like they didn't
[26:56] Speaker 4: know what they was doing.
[26:57] Speaker 5: And that's what we've been breeding. So let's change it up.
[27:02] Speaker 1: And there have been some discussions, I think, with Dartmouth
[27:04] Speaker 1: or a couple other spots where they've talked about unionizing.
[27:08] Speaker 1: But that presents a whole other different issue with labor
[27:10] Speaker 1: unions and all that type of stuff now. I mean,
[27:12] Speaker 1: I got two kids in college right now. So.
[27:15] Speaker 2: I had to learn fast, understand talking and realize what
[27:19] Speaker 2: the difference is and understand what's, that's why we, we, uh, we, we, uh,
[27:26] Speaker 2: reclass because I know what's going to, I know what happens.
[27:31] Speaker 2: So I know what he's going to be worth next year.
[27:33] Speaker 1: Right. I know there's a handicap coming next year. Right.
[27:36] Speaker 1: So that's why we, we reclass. So the money's unlimited today. Unlimited. Right.
[27:42] Speaker 1: So you're talking about BYU. It's BYU. They got a
[27:45] Speaker 1: dude that's making four million and another making three.
[27:49] Speaker 2: But that's the reason why they did it because once
[27:52] Speaker 2: that rule comes in, boosters from the outside, they can't
[27:56] Speaker 2: just spend the money they want to. Then it's going
[27:58] Speaker 2: to have to be under the table again and And
[28:00] Speaker 2: we talk a lot about how you're going to be now.
[28:02] Speaker 2: So some of these schools, I'm going to just be honest.
[28:04] Speaker 2: Some of these schools are going to go back to powerhouses. Like,
[28:07] Speaker 2: so when you're talking about a Duke or North Carolina
[28:10] Speaker 2: where the foot, the basketball team is bigger than the
[28:12] Speaker 2: football team, that 22 million that everyone's getting, that school
[28:17] Speaker 2: gets what?
[28:18] Speaker 1: 18 out of the 22. Yeah. Now they get to
[28:21] Speaker 1: pay for whoever they want to.
[28:23] Speaker 2: Now you're talking about a team like Alabama where the
[28:25] Speaker 2: football team is the shit.
[28:27] Speaker 1: And you got to play under $ 22 million.
[28:29] Speaker 2: They're getting $ 21 of it. And the other $ 1 million
[28:31] Speaker 2: goes to the rest of them. The basketball teams of
[28:34] Speaker 2: the sports team are going to be worth nothing. So
[28:37] Speaker 2: now it's going to be under the table shits again.
[28:39] Speaker 2: Or these players can still get NIL deals, right?
[28:42] Speaker 1: NIL. But that's just a small fraction.
[28:44] Speaker 2: They're trying to handicap that too, which I think is wrong.
[28:47] Speaker 2: They're going to have to fight for that because you
[28:49] Speaker 2: can't tell a kid what his value is. They're trying
[28:52] Speaker 2: to put a value system on what they think everybody's worth.
[28:56] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Right. So you can only get half a million
[29:00] Speaker 1: dollars on.
[29:01] Speaker 2: Your NIL because that's what the market you don't know
[29:03] Speaker 2: what the market dictates.
[29:05] Speaker 1: So they don't want nobody to.
[29:07] Speaker 2: So they don't want someone that can manipulate someone's name.
[29:12] Speaker 1: But, you know, you don't know.
[29:13] Speaker 2: You don't you can't put a value system on someone
[29:17] Speaker 2: being liked by the public.
[29:20] Speaker 1: And that's that's what I'm afraid of. That's going to happen.
[29:23] Speaker 2: Like, just one of those kids that just got, just
[29:26] Speaker 2: averaging one point a game, but they just got it.
[29:29] Speaker 1: What was.
[29:31] Speaker 2: The kid from, what was it, Ball Boy, who got
[29:38] Speaker 2: fame in the state?
[29:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, he ended up going there.
[29:41] Speaker 2: Somebody like him, they're going to say, you're not playing.
[29:43] Speaker 2: You don't get the NIL value. But he can make
[29:48] Speaker 2: his own deals. But that's what I'm saying. That's what
[29:50] Speaker 2: they're trying to do. They're trying to put a handicap
[29:51] Speaker 2: on everybody's value. And somebody like him just come out
[29:54] Speaker 2: of Woolworth making money off of his name, image, and likeness.
[29:56] Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.
[29:58] Speaker 4: Why would I handicap A value system, if I can't
[30:02] Speaker 4: afford to pay you, the colleges are going to go
[30:07] Speaker 4: bankrupt because they can't afford to pay the players.
[30:11] Speaker 1: That's why the boosters come in.
[30:14] Speaker 5: The alumni, colleges can't afford to pay the coach, teachers, staff.
[30:22] Speaker 5: They're not even considered teachers to coaches.
[30:26] Speaker 1: So, Some, obviously, the highest-paid employees in the entire state.
[30:30] Speaker 4: So what's going to end up happening is they're going
[30:32] Speaker 4: to go looking for more government funding for the schools
[30:34] Speaker 4: so they can pay for the athletes to come because
[30:38] Speaker 4: maybe your team or your school don't got the alumni
[30:41] Speaker 4: that's willing to put the money up, like James Harden
[30:44] Speaker 4: did in Arizona State, like many other players are going
[30:47] Speaker 4: to go back and do and create funds to make
[30:49] Speaker 4: sure our university for the future has.
[30:52] Speaker 1: Got $ 100 million. Yeah. And we are going to be
[30:56] Speaker 1: able to do what we want to do. That's something
[30:57] Speaker 1: that's capped. But the power schools obviously are still going
[31:01] Speaker 1: to be able to, because you said whatever the cap is,
[31:02] Speaker 1: they have that bread at their disposal. Under the table.
[31:04] Speaker 1: But where the lower schools, you may have a $ 22
[31:06] Speaker 1: million cap or whatever it is, but a smaller school
[31:09] Speaker 1: don't got that level of bread anyway to reach that point.
[31:13] Speaker 2: It's going to be crooked because obviously now when you're
[31:16] Speaker 2: talking about on paper, on books, seeing how much everyone makes, right?
[31:21] Speaker 2: They better say $ 22 million or whatever we're giving you.
[31:24] Speaker 2: So if you If USC can only have $ 5 million
[31:28] Speaker 2: on cap.
[31:31] Speaker 1: It better say that. There better not be a kid
[31:33] Speaker 1: on here that's.
[31:33] Speaker 2: Making $ 12 million. So most of that shit is going
[31:36] Speaker 2: to be under the table. But on the books, it's
[31:39] Speaker 2: whatever the.
[31:40] Speaker 5: I would call it multiple NIL deals from different sources.
[31:45] Speaker 4: For people that can go out and get those. A
[31:47] Speaker 4: lot of kids obviously don't know how to do it.
[31:49] Speaker 4: We can't have you on the books for seven. We'll
[31:52] Speaker 4: have you on the books for three, three.
[31:54] Speaker 1: And three. Wild time.
[31:58] Speaker 5: College is crazy. Look where I started.
[32:00] Speaker 1: Even from a loyalty standpoint, though, I think, you know,
[32:03] Speaker 1: you talk about free agency in the league, but you
[32:04] Speaker 1: sign a contract. You're expected to, you know, it's multi-year length.
[32:09] Speaker 1: You're expected to adhere to that contract. We're college. These
[32:11] Speaker 1: dudes might get a bag. I'm out two weeks later.
[32:14] Speaker 4: We've been adhering to the contract unknowingly for years. The
[32:19] Speaker 4: invisible NLIs.
[32:24] Speaker 5: The National Letter of Intent. The National Letter of Intent, right?
[32:27] Speaker 5: We signed over. We got to be here.
[32:28] Speaker 4: It's a contract for four years.
[32:31] Speaker 1: Year to year. No pay.
[32:33] Speaker 4: You get to play. Okay, now we changing the landscape.
[32:37] Speaker 4: It's what it's supposed to be right now.
[32:39] Speaker 5: Control it. But you got to get good advice.
[32:43] Speaker 1: You got to get good mentorship.
[32:46] Speaker 4: Can't just be throw this shit around.
[32:47] Speaker 1: You got to come see Larry. Oh, never mind. Sonny.
[32:52] Speaker 4: Money making sonny cause we gonna make some money y'all
[32:55] Speaker 4: come fuck with me it ain't even funny.
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[34:11] Speaker 1: a playoff basketball last night. Thunders and Wolves tipped off
[34:13] Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals Tuesday night. OKC bested the Nuggets
[34:17] Speaker 1: with a Game 7 blowout win at their crib Sunday
[34:20] Speaker 1: while the Wolves were well-rested chilling for the past week
[34:23] Speaker 1: after eliminating the Stephless Warriors in five games to reach
[34:26] Speaker 1: their second straight conference finals. The team split their season
[34:29] Speaker 1: series with two wins each, but had not played in
[34:31] Speaker 1: nearly three months. Minnesota appeared poised to walk into the
[34:34] Speaker 1: Thunder's trap and steal game one, but OKC got it
[34:37] Speaker 1: done on the defensive end, and SGA caught fire in
[34:40] Speaker 1: the second half to lead the Thunder to another blowout win.
[34:42] Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the highlights. So Wolves got
[34:45] Speaker 1: off to a hot start, scoring the first eight points
[34:47] Speaker 1: of the game, but SGA kept The Thunder in the
[34:49] Speaker 1: game at the free throw line, drawing multiple fouls and
[34:52] Speaker 1: shooting seven free throws in the first four and a
[34:54] Speaker 1: half minutes of game action, including one after a tech
[34:58] Speaker 1: by Ant-Man for throwing the ball at Shea in frustration
[35:00] Speaker 1: as Shea laid on the ground after a foul. So
[35:03] Speaker 1: despite their shooting woes, the Thunder bounced back and were
[35:05] Speaker 1: only down three after the first frame. A scary moment
[35:08] Speaker 1: for the Wolves near the end of the first quarter
[35:09] Speaker 1: when Ant-Man landed awkwardly and rolled his right ankle. The
[35:14] Speaker 1: same ankle he's tweaked in both of the Wolves' two
[35:15] Speaker 1: previous series. Ant-Man finished the first quarter, went to the
[35:18] Speaker 1: locker room after break, but did return in the second quarter.
[35:20] Speaker 1: Julius Randle held it down for Minnesota, scoring 20 of
[35:23] Speaker 1: his team high, 28 points in the first half. Randle
[35:25] Speaker 1: finished 9 of 13 from the field and 5 of
[35:27] Speaker 1: 6 from 3 in the game with 8 rebounds, but
[35:30] Speaker 1: he also had 5 turnovers. Meanwhile, SGA struggled early, finishing
[35:33] Speaker 1: the first half with 11 points on 2 of 13 shooting.
[35:36] Speaker 1: but did knock down seven of his nine free-throw attempts.
[35:39] Speaker 1: SGA's 11-miss field goes tied for the most in any
[35:41] Speaker 1: half this season. The Wolves were up four at the break.
[35:44] Speaker 1: SGA got back to getting buckets in the second half,
[35:46] Speaker 1: scoring 20 points in the final two quarters while going
[35:48] Speaker 1: 8-14 from the field in the second half. Finished with
[35:51] Speaker 1: 31 points, nine assists, five rebounds, and three steals. Fourth
[35:54] Speaker 1: 30-point game against the Wolves this season. Eighth 30-point game
[35:57] Speaker 1: in this postseason. So OKC was down four midway through
[35:59] Speaker 1: the third quarter, but went on a 17-2 run, including
[36:02] Speaker 1: a stretch where they scored 10 straight points to take
[36:04] Speaker 1: control of the game. SJS scored or assisted on 20
[36:06] Speaker 1: of the Thunders, 32 points in the third quarter. They
[36:09] Speaker 1: outscored Minnesota 32-18 in the period. Jalen Williams came through
[36:11] Speaker 1: with another solid game, 19 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists
[36:14] Speaker 1: and 5 steals. Chet Holmgren, 15-7 boards and 2 blocks.
[36:18] Speaker 1: Isaiah Hardenstein, 12-5 boards. And Alex Caruso and Kendrick Williams
[36:21] Speaker 1: come out for 17 points on the bench. The Wolves
[36:23] Speaker 1: try to stay within the striking distance in the fourth quarter,
[36:26] Speaker 1: cutting the deficit to 9 points, but that's as close
[36:28] Speaker 1: as they would get. Ant-Man went scoreless in the final frame,
[36:31] Speaker 1: attempting just one shot, finished the game with 18 points
[36:33] Speaker 1: and 9 rebounds. on 5 of 13 shooting. It was
[36:36] Speaker 1: Ant's second game this postseason scoring fewer than 20 points.
[36:40] Speaker 1: So Ant-Man and Randall got little help from the rest
[36:42] Speaker 1: of the squad. Jaden McDaniels had 7 points on 6
[36:45] Speaker 1: boards before fouling out. Mike Conley had 7 points on
[36:47] Speaker 1: 2 of 8 shooting. And Rudy Gobert had 2 points
[36:49] Speaker 1: and 3 rebounds in 21 minutes of action. Wolves bench
[36:52] Speaker 1: struggled as well. Nas Reed only had 4 points on
[36:55] Speaker 1: 1 of 11 shooting. He was 0 for 7 from 3.
[36:57] Speaker 1: Devin Chinzo, 3 of 12 from 3. And SGA's cousin
[37:01] Speaker 1: to kill Alexander Walker, 3 of 11 from the field
[37:03] Speaker 1: with 9 points. Thunder, 70 points in the second half,
[37:07] Speaker 1: shooting 62% from the field, held the Wolves to just
[37:10] Speaker 1: 40 points in the final two quarters. OKC scored 31
[37:13] Speaker 1: points off the Wolves, 19 turnovers in the game. Minnesota,
[37:17] Speaker 1: 15 of 51 from the three-point line. So OKC improved
[37:20] Speaker 1: to 6-1 at home this season with consecutive 25-point wins
[37:24] Speaker 1: for the first time in franchise history. After the game,
[37:27] Speaker 1: SGA had this reaction to playing in its first conference
[37:30] Speaker 1: finals game.
[37:32] Speaker 6: It felt different from jumping. They're more like pressure-oriented. It
[37:37] Speaker 6: feels like a little more physical. But at the end
[37:42] Speaker 6: of the night, it's basketball. They throw you a problem.
[37:46] Speaker 6: You have to solve it, whatever it looks like. That's
[37:48] Speaker 6: what it is every night, and that's what it was tonight.
[37:50] Speaker 6: They had different coverages, different personnel out there, and we
[37:52] Speaker 6: had to attack it and work together as a unit
[37:55] Speaker 6: to solve the problems out there.
[37:57] Speaker 1: We did that tonight, especially in the second half. Mr. B,
[38:02] Speaker 1: I will start with you. What are the biggest takeaways
[38:04] Speaker 1: from game one of the Western Conference Finals? Thunder doing
[38:08] Speaker 1: it on the defensive and offensive side, getting the big
[38:11] Speaker 1: win at the crib. I hope Rudy show up. I
[38:16] Speaker 1: pray blue.
[38:17] Speaker 5: Because if not, then he can go sit down. I
[38:18] Speaker 5: know we was up here talking about Mike Conley, you know,
[38:20] Speaker 5: not trying to, you know, if Mike Conley should play
[38:23] Speaker 5: or not. But it looked like Mike Conley should definitely
[38:25] Speaker 5: be out there. They fell into the one-on-one a lot
[38:28] Speaker 5: in the second half. That's when the game kind of
[38:31] Speaker 5: got away from them. Um, but you know, SGA, man,
[38:34] Speaker 5: he's just, he's just going to keep putting the pressure on.
[38:36] Speaker 5: They're just going to keep, regardless if his shot is
[38:38] Speaker 5: falling from 12 to 15 foot, he's going to keep attacking,
[38:40] Speaker 5: keep getting to that rim. Um, and them young boys, man,
[38:44] Speaker 5: they just, you know, they just kept, they just kept going,
[38:46] Speaker 5: kept going at him. Chet, Chet was playing big. Um, yeah, man,
[38:51] Speaker 5: you know, they just look good. You know, I feel
[38:53] Speaker 5: like it's more pressure on the 23 year old kid,
[38:57] Speaker 5: you know, uh, you know, in Minnesota just because, you know,
[39:01] Speaker 5: he said he's the best and he's calling out people.
[39:04] Speaker 5: So he's going to have to show up.
[39:06] Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards leading the Wolves second straight Western Conference Finals.
[39:09] Speaker 1: You said more pressure on Ant-Man than the likely MVP
[39:12] Speaker 1: of the league this season, S.J., who's on the top
[39:14] Speaker 1: team in the NBA.
[39:15] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fine. But he ain't talking. He just, you know,
[39:19] Speaker 5: if you're talking, it's more pressure on you.
[39:21] Speaker 1: If you say you're the best, you got to prove
[39:24] Speaker 1: that you're the best when it matters. Okay. Let's move
[39:26] Speaker 1: over to this side, Sonny. What were your biggest takeaways
[39:28] Speaker 1: from Game one of the Western Conference Finals? Keep it activated. Yeah,
[39:32] Speaker 1: it's kind of dry. Oh, man, so much to unpack here.
[39:38] Speaker 1: Let's see.
[39:40] Speaker 4: First, let's talk about OKC's scheme to load up on
[39:45] Speaker 4: Ant-Man every time he sets the ball.
[39:47] Speaker 1: Switch on everybody, load up.
[39:49] Speaker 4: Take away his options to penetrate the lane, and force
[39:53] Speaker 4: him into being a jump shooter. And then you look
[39:57] Speaker 4: at the intangibles and the other pieces on the Wolves
[39:59] Speaker 4: who really didn't show up to do anything. Jaden McDaniels,
[40:02] Speaker 4: you know, he's trying to figure out how to play
[40:04] Speaker 4: defense on a guy. And you're looking at a scheme
[40:08] Speaker 4: on the other side as your ant man, and you're like, okay,
[40:10] Speaker 4: what do I do? I got two on me all
[40:12] Speaker 4: the time. And we got a good core defensive guys
[40:16] Speaker 4: on the other side that really understand what I'm doing
[40:18] Speaker 4: over here.
[40:19] Speaker 1: It's just me.
[40:20] Speaker 4: So he had to regulate trying to get the ball
[40:23] Speaker 4: up and get the other guys involved, and it didn't work.
[40:26] Speaker 4: But the other side is I see that Minnesota's reluctancy
[40:30] Speaker 4: to try to guard Shea is weird because you don't
[40:33] Speaker 4: know how to guard him.
[40:34] Speaker 1: They're going to call a foul. So as a defender, you're.
[40:37] Speaker 4: Trying to figure out what move is he going to make?
[40:41] Speaker 4: Is he going to try to flail and get the call,
[40:43] Speaker 4: or is he going to go and play ball?
[40:46] Speaker 1: And that's it.
[40:47] Speaker 4: That's the middle ground that the defenders like them. They
[40:50] Speaker 4: didn't have a scheme. They played them straight up. Play
[40:54] Speaker 4: them straight up. We ain't going to load up. We
[40:55] Speaker 4: ain't going to do none of that. We just play
[40:56] Speaker 4: them straight up. And then when they had to go zone,
[40:59] Speaker 4: it's because they got in foul trouble. It's now it's
[41:01] Speaker 4: like scrambling. You can't put Rudy out there. You can't
[41:04] Speaker 4: do certain things. And it gets ugly at that point.
[41:07] Speaker 4: And I think I like OKC's willingness to push the
[41:10] Speaker 4: lead up once they.
[41:11] Speaker 1: Got a lead and kept it. That was good for them.
[41:13] Speaker 1: I think Gobert picked up two fouls in the first
[41:15] Speaker 1: two minutes of the game was Pretty ineffective for the
[41:18] Speaker 1: rest of the game. But, Gil, when you look at
[41:20] Speaker 1: OKC Thunder getting the win at home, just beat the
[41:23] Speaker 1: Nuggets game seven two days earlier, came back back-to-back 25-point-plus wins,
[41:31] Speaker 1: what are you seeing from this Thunder squad right now?
[41:34] Speaker 2: I mean, they're very good. They have this weird, weird...
[41:44] Speaker 2: high level of experience from a group that's not experienced.
[41:49] Speaker 2: They play very well with each other. That's one thing
[41:51] Speaker 2: that they do have over Wolves. Wolves made the trade
[41:58] Speaker 2: and they're still trying to figure out how their offense
[42:01] Speaker 2: really works when this group is... They have everything down
[42:06] Speaker 2: there and everyone knows exactly what they're supposed.
[42:07] Speaker 5: To do out there.
[42:08] Speaker 1: When, where, how. They are really the more mature.
[42:14] Speaker 2: team when it comes to how they play the game
[42:17] Speaker 2: they don't settle the guys that are attackers attack right
[42:23] Speaker 2: they don't do anything outside of what they can do
[42:27] Speaker 2: and that's the advantage that they have against the Wolves
[42:30] Speaker 2: Wolves are still trying to figure out who they are
[42:32] Speaker 2: what they do best what they like where they like
[42:34] Speaker 2: it you have three guys in the starting.
[42:38] Speaker 1: Lineup on the Wolves that really don't bring any offense.
[42:40] Speaker 2: Which makes it easier You're talking about Conley, who has
[42:43] Speaker 2: to be more of a spot-up guy when he's used
[42:47] Speaker 2: to manipulating the defense.
[42:50] Speaker 1: Rudy can't give you shit outside of, you know, two feet. Nothing.
[42:53] Speaker 2: And then McDaniels is a corner guy who don't dribble
[42:58] Speaker 2: very much, you know, so he has to wait for
[43:00] Speaker 2: the ball to be, you know, in tune with this offense.
[43:03] Speaker 2: So then it's just one-on-one with Randall, one-on-one with, you know, Ant-Man. So,
[43:10] Speaker 2: you know, They're easily guardable if you can contain Ant-Man
[43:14] Speaker 2: and just we're going to load up on you, keep
[43:15] Speaker 2: you out of the pain, pass it to the guys
[43:17] Speaker 2: who don't create for themselves. But, you know, when it
[43:20] Speaker 2: comes to just the overall defense, Rudy is probably the
[43:24] Speaker 2: most important player for the Wolves because he's the only
[43:28] Speaker 2: one who's supposed to be four-time defensive player of the year,
[43:33] Speaker 2: this all-world defensive guy. You're the guy that is the
[43:39] Speaker 2: person that's supposed to stop these two from coming in here.
[43:42] Speaker 2: So if you're not smart enough to stay on the floor,
[43:44] Speaker 2: then those trophies are meaningless to us right now. Because
[43:48] Speaker 2: they're coming here. They're coming in this lane. This is
[43:51] Speaker 2: where they want to come. So you now have to
[43:55] Speaker 2: put all four years of trophies together and become excellent.
[44:00] Speaker 1: This is not a team that's chucking threes.
[44:02] Speaker 2: They don't give a fuck about no threes like that
[44:05] Speaker 2: unless they have to. Other than that, they want that paint.
[44:08] Speaker 2: They're challenging you. They're coming in there. They're going to
[44:12] Speaker 2: get you jumping, throwing it off. They're going to dip
[44:14] Speaker 2: it off to their big man. So you got to
[44:17] Speaker 2: be able to play fake it here. This is your series.
[44:24] Speaker 1: They're throwing lobs and shit. They're coming to you. They're
[44:26] Speaker 1: not going to do anything else.
[44:27] Speaker 2: So you got to know what shots to jump for
[44:29] Speaker 2: because if you jump wrong and you don't get that block,
[44:33] Speaker 2: weak side rebound goes.
[44:34] Speaker 1: To the seven footers back there.
[44:36] Speaker 2: So it's a game where if Rudy, everything that you've been,
[44:43] Speaker 2: your Hall of Fame career lies on this series. Next series,
[44:47] Speaker 2: this series right here because these guys.
[44:50] Speaker 1: Want to go to that rim. So you talk about Thunder,
[44:53] Speaker 1: only took 21 threes in the game, but 11 for
[44:55] Speaker 1: 21 shot, 52% from deep, 54 points in the paint
[44:58] Speaker 1: in the game. So nearly half their points came in
[45:01] Speaker 1: the paint in this matchup. That's where they're coming. So
[45:06] Speaker 1: if he.
[45:06] Speaker 2: Gets two foul troubles and he's out of the game,
[45:08] Speaker 2: who's back there?
[45:10] Speaker 1: Who's back there jumping? Both of your guys are non-athletic
[45:13] Speaker 1: like that.
[45:13] Speaker 2: It's not like Julia's got a fucking 40-inch vertical and
[45:17] Speaker 2: Nas Reid is sitting there with 40-inch vertical.
[45:20] Speaker 1: You know, you got guys that they don't feel as a.
[45:22] Speaker 5: Threat when they come into the lane. And Williams is
[45:25] Speaker 5: on the attack.
[45:26] Speaker 1: Huh?
[45:27] Speaker 5: And Williams is on the attack.
[45:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, the most athletic person is fucking Ant-Man on the team. Hmm.
[45:32] Speaker 1: They don't know how to tackle.
[45:32] Speaker 2: I mean, Watson can do his own, the defensive player. Daniel,
[45:35] Speaker 2: he has his matchup. He can reach and still challenge
[45:39] Speaker 2: Shea at the rim. So he's more one-on-one contained defensively,
[45:43] Speaker 2: but he's still going to need some help.
[45:45] Speaker 1: Double foul trouble in that game. So we got a
[45:46] Speaker 1: great staff from second spectrum. So SGA drove 28 times
[45:50] Speaker 1: in game one. Timberwolves collectively drove 27 times as a
[45:54] Speaker 1: team in this game. How many in free throws total? So...
[45:59] Speaker 1: Both sides? So... Thunder had 26 free throw attempts in
[46:02] Speaker 1: the game. Wolves had 21. And one man drove how
[46:07] Speaker 1: many times? SGA drove 28 times. He drove more than
[46:10] Speaker 1: the whole entire Wolves team.
[46:13] Speaker 2: 27.
[46:13] Speaker 1: I'll say this.
[46:15] Speaker 4: If you have an understanding of getting to the free
[46:18] Speaker 4: throw line 20 times a game as a team, get
[46:22] Speaker 4: to the line 20.
[46:23] Speaker 1: Times a game, and how many SGA a game?
[46:27] Speaker 5: S.J.
[46:27] Speaker 1: Got to the line 14 times in this game. No,
[46:29] Speaker 1: per game period. Second in the league, right behind Giannis.
[46:32] Speaker 1: I want to say nine.
[46:33] Speaker 2: Nine.
[46:33] Speaker 1: Nine or ten times. Nine. Nine a game.
[46:35] Speaker 4: The team averages 20. That's a lot for one player.
[46:40] Speaker 4: That's a lot for one player. And then he got
[46:45] Speaker 4: nine free throws in the first quarter?
[46:49] Speaker 1: Yes. Seven in the first quarter, seven to nine in
[46:52] Speaker 1: the first half, I believe. Imagine if he played through
[46:54] Speaker 1: the foul. He did in the second half. He did.
[46:57] Speaker 1: He only had five in the second half. Because you
[46:58] Speaker 1: got everybody. Now everybody got to play defensive.
[47:03] Speaker 4: Everybody got to play defensive now. You can flop and
[47:07] Speaker 4: get the foul, the non-foul. And then now you can
[47:10] Speaker 4: play through the foul because you know they can't foul
[47:11] Speaker 4: you now.
[47:12] Speaker 2: So Giannis led the league free throw attempts 11 per
[47:15] Speaker 2: game in.
[47:16] Speaker 1: The regular season. It's weak. Or is it a narrow attempt?
[47:19] Speaker 1: It's weak. With the SGA narrative? You think that's weak?
[47:22] Speaker 2: Because it's, you know how many players in history averaged
[47:24] Speaker 2: over 30 and shot under nine free throws? There's only
[47:27] Speaker 2: a handful. Like, Jordan shot 12 free throws a game.
[47:31] Speaker 2: Kobe shot 10, 10, 10, 11. Allen Iverson shot 10, 10, 11.
[47:34] Speaker 2: He shot, what, 8.8? Yeah, 8.8 this season. Shot 8.8
[47:39] Speaker 2: this year. And they're calling him a free-throw merchant, but
[47:41] Speaker 2: everybody in history who's averaged 30 are shooting over 10
[47:44] Speaker 2: free-throws a game.
[47:45] Speaker 1: Giannis averaged what? 10.6 free-throws. 10.6 free-throws. Allen Iverson played
[47:51] Speaker 1: through fouls. Call the whistle, call the whistle.
[47:57] Speaker 2: If he knows how to get fouled, he knows how
[47:58] Speaker 2: to get fouled.
[47:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, flopping.
[48:02] Speaker 5: He was 12.
[48:02] Speaker 1: Same shit. Trey Young was good. He went two for
[48:04] Speaker 1: 12 in the first quarter, right? Same. From the first
[48:06] Speaker 1: half from the field. Yeah, he was.
[48:07] Speaker 2: And he only shot five free throws in the second half.
[48:09] Speaker 2: And that's, in the fourth quarter, he only shot, what,
[48:12] Speaker 2: two free throws. He don't get those free throws. Seven
[48:14] Speaker 2: free throw attempts the first four and a half minutes.
[48:16] Speaker 1: Of the game.
[48:17] Speaker 5: They don't give him them free throws. What'd he shoot
[48:18] Speaker 5: from the field? He shoot two for what?
[48:20] Speaker 4: That was just the first half. First half, he was what?
[48:22] Speaker 4: I think 2 of 11. 2 of 11. If he
[48:24] Speaker 4: don't shoot them free throws, man, it looks really bad.
[48:27] Speaker 5: But he's been playing like this all year, though.
[48:30] Speaker 1: 2 of 13.
[48:30] Speaker 2: 2 of 13 in the first half, 8 of 14
[48:32] Speaker 2: in the second.
[48:33] Speaker 4: That's why it looked the way it looked in the
[48:35] Speaker 4: first half because it was just a bunch of, oh,
[48:38] Speaker 4: that's not a foul.
[48:39] Speaker 1: It's like you're just throwing it up.
[48:41] Speaker 5: You just, hey, hey.
[48:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's smart.
[48:44] Speaker 2: He was struggling, and he helped himself get a rhythm
[48:48] Speaker 2: by shooting free throws. It's like I'm trying to figure
[48:50] Speaker 2: out in NBA history who's never done that. What player?
[48:54] Speaker 2: Name me a great that averaged. You can go with Melo.
[48:58] Speaker 2: You can go with T-Mac. You can go with D-Wade.
[49:00] Speaker 2: I mean, just name anyone who was a great player
[49:03] Speaker 2: that wasn't gifted at getting to the charity line.
[49:08] Speaker 1: So let's take a look. Free throw attempts per game
[49:10] Speaker 1: for MVP since 2000. I'll go with just the guards,
[49:13] Speaker 1: so Westbrook 10.4, LeBron 10.2, AI 10.1, Harden 10.1, KD's
[49:20] Speaker 1: up there, 9.9.
[49:20] Speaker 2: LeBron in his 08-09 MVP season, 9.4. Kobe in his
[49:24] Speaker 2: 08 MVP season was at 9.5. And SGA, likely MVP this.
[49:29] Speaker 1: Year, 8.8. So he's the lowest. Yeah, he's the lowest.
[49:32] Speaker 1: Of those 12.
[49:32] Speaker 2: That's just MVPs. I just named you the guards. That's
[49:36] Speaker 2: averaging 32 and up? That's... So that's what I said.
[49:43] Speaker 2: It's more of a narrative because how he's getting fouled.
[49:47] Speaker 1: But it's a.
[49:49] Speaker 1: It's somebody that's just smart. He's smart.
[49:52] Speaker 2: If I know how you play defense, if I know
[49:56] Speaker 2: if I'm going to go over this screen and you're
[49:59] Speaker 2: taught to fight.
[50:00] Speaker 1: Over, what are you going to do? Stop. You know
[50:03] Speaker 1: what I mean?
[50:03] Speaker 2: There's things I'm going to do because I know you
[50:06] Speaker 2: have to.
[50:06] Speaker 1: Play it a certain way. Especially if we're trying to
[50:08] Speaker 1: get into penalty.
[50:09] Speaker 2: Like in Parkinson, every time you get that pop, if
[50:12] Speaker 2: you get that pop right here, instead of shooting that floater,
[50:16] Speaker 2: pump fake.
[50:16] Speaker 1: Rudy jumps every time. Jump into him. Foul. All right, well,
[50:20] Speaker 1: let's hear it. But that's what I'm saying.
[50:21] Speaker 2: But that's how, if you know what the defense does,
[50:27] Speaker 2: it's easy to manipulate them. So if Hargisline gets it
[50:30] Speaker 2: every time and just pump fakes, Rudy's going to jump 100%
[50:33] Speaker 2: of the times.
[50:34] Speaker 1: Let him jump off the ground, jump into him, foul.
[50:38] Speaker 1: Sit his ass down. Go sit down. Because he's not disciplined.
[50:41] Speaker 1: All right, so let's get into it. SGA, 14 free
[50:44] Speaker 1: throws in the game. Like I said, seven in the
[50:46] Speaker 1: first four and a half minutes of the game. Let's
[50:48] Speaker 1: take a look at the tech that Ant-Man got early
[50:52] Speaker 1: on in that game. SGA drove the basket about eight
[50:56] Speaker 1: minutes ago to the game. The Wolves were up 10-3
[50:57] Speaker 1: at that point. Tossed the ball, SGA discussed. Here's another
[51:02] Speaker 1: look at the play. Doris Burke during the game commented
[51:10] Speaker 1: early in the game that there's a reason NBA Twitter
[51:12] Speaker 1: calls SGA a free-throw merchant. After the game, Wolves head
[51:16] Speaker 1: coach Chris Finch had this to say. about sga's quote-unquote foul.
[51:19] Speaker 3: Baiting yeah there was a lot of frustration out there
[51:23] Speaker 3: but we got a we know we talked about that
[51:26] Speaker 3: before the series started um and you know we got
[51:29] Speaker 3: we have to be able to uh kind of put
[51:31] Speaker 3: that aside and get on with the next play mentality.
[51:35] Speaker 1: So before we get into the conversation we asked the
[51:37] Speaker 1: chat is sga a free throw merchant 65 of the
[51:39] Speaker 1: chat said that sga Is a free throw merchant? I
[51:43] Speaker 1: don't particularly think that's a bad thing. I think people
[51:45] Speaker 1: might see that as an insult.
[51:46] Speaker 5: The objective of the game is to score.
[51:48] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[51:49] Speaker 5: If I'm going to be in the lane 28 times, 28,
[51:52] Speaker 5: 29 times a night, I'm going to be at the
[51:54] Speaker 5: free throw line for sure. Somebody's fouling me.
[51:56] Speaker 1: How many times did he drive? 28 times in the game.
[51:59] Speaker 2: He drove 28 times in that game.
[52:04] Speaker 1: He's driving 28 times.
[52:06] Speaker 5: Somebody's fouling me.
[52:07] Speaker 1: Your team drove 27. How many free throws did the
[52:09] Speaker 1: team get? So, Thunder shot 26 free throws for the game.
[52:12] Speaker 1: Wolves shot 21. The fouls were 22-22 apiece. Ended up
[52:16] Speaker 1: that way at the end of the game.
[52:17] Speaker 2: So he's getting all of his fouls driving. They're getting
[52:21] Speaker 2: theirs here and there.
[52:25] Speaker 1: Just aggression. Like, Ant-Man, listen.
[52:27] Speaker 2: Somebody like Ant-Man, it's going to be hard for him
[52:30] Speaker 2: to get a lot of fouls.
[52:34] Speaker 1: Because he wants to jump over everybody. Right.
[52:36] Speaker 2: There's no different than, you know, he doesn't he's one
[52:39] Speaker 2: of those guys that jump fades like a like he's
[52:42] Speaker 2: a fader. But, you know, when he gets ready to
[52:44] Speaker 2: come to lane, everybody moving. They're not trying to challenge
[52:46] Speaker 2: that shot. Only time you're going to challenge somebody's shot because,
[52:48] Speaker 2: you know, they're not dunking on you.
[52:50] Speaker 5: He's not a flopper. That's why he ain't got nothing
[52:52] Speaker 5: to do with none of that.
[52:53] Speaker 1: Niggas play ball like you play ball at the park.
[52:56] Speaker 1: And we're not calling foul. Not calling nothing. Call it
[53:00] Speaker 1: what you want. All that shit, man.
[53:02] Speaker 4: Everybody look at it the way they look at it.
[53:04] Speaker 4: Why you think they laughed at the box score when
[53:06] Speaker 4: they looked at it?
[53:06] Speaker 1: Who laughed? Why you think he threw the ball at them?
[53:09] Speaker 1: Who laughed at the box score? Man, here you go.
[53:10] Speaker 1: Look at you, man. Stop with this shit, man. Let
[53:12] Speaker 1: us hoop, bro. Come on.
[53:14] Speaker 5: What you on?
[53:15] Speaker 1: Damn. I don't know why they're looking at that. They
[53:17] Speaker 1: should be laughing at the off the bench.
[53:19] Speaker 2: 1 for 11, 0 for 7 from the 3, 3
[53:20] Speaker 2: for 14, 3 for 12 from the 3. 3 for 11,
[53:25] Speaker 2: 2 for 9.
[53:26] Speaker 1: That's what they should be laughing at. They should be
[53:27] Speaker 1: laughing at their own fucking team. And we will talk
[53:29] Speaker 1: about that. 15 for 51 from the 3. Laugh at that.
[53:31] Speaker 2: That's what you need to be laughing at. Y'all worrying
[53:33] Speaker 2: about somebody getting free throws. Worry about making a fucking shot.
[53:36] Speaker 1: And we will talk about that in a moment, Gil.
[53:37] Speaker 1: We will talk about that in a moment. I'm just
[53:39] Speaker 1: saying this is a playoff.
[53:40] Speaker 2: They over here arguing about a nigga who's driving the
[53:41] Speaker 2: whole time. The fuck he driving fucking 40 times? How
[53:45] Speaker 2: many free throws you think he gonna.
[53:48] Speaker 1: Get?
[53:49] Speaker 2: 28. I'm expecting Steph not to get a lot of
[53:51] Speaker 2: free throws because he shoots jump shots.
[53:53] Speaker 1: If you want to shoot 10 threes a game, I'm
[53:55] Speaker 1: pretty sure. Let me see. I'm pretty sure Devin Chinzo
[53:58] Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of threes.
[53:59] Speaker 2: Just keep him out the paint. 12 threes, zero free throws.
[54:04] Speaker 2: Alexander Walker, nine threes, zero free throws.
[54:07] Speaker 1: Okay, let's see here.
[54:10] Speaker 2: Okay, we don't shoot free throws. None of those guys
[54:11] Speaker 2: shoot free throws. Ant-Man, eight threes, seven free throws. SGA
[54:21] Speaker 2: took 27 shots.
[54:24] Speaker 1: Only four was threes. You know where he's going. Stop him.
[54:31] Speaker 5: Keep him out the paint.
[54:32] Speaker 1: Load up. Shit, make him shoot jumpers. Everybody listen. All
[54:35] Speaker 1: your NBA players listen.
[54:37] Speaker 5: It should be all 300 of y'all driving next year.
[54:41] Speaker 1: Drive. Same thing Allen Iverson did.
[54:43] Speaker 5: Don't be flopping.
[54:44] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan did it. If everybody don't get the calls,
[54:47] Speaker 1: it's different now. Just drive. James Harden, Russ Everett, KD.
[54:51] Speaker 1: You heard the Frito list. Right?
[54:56] Speaker 2: The lowest on there. So he ain't doing nothing different
[54:59] Speaker 2: than everybody else.
[55:00] Speaker 1: No, Ant Edwards was driving. Not getting no calls. He
[55:04] Speaker 1: took 13 shots.
[55:06] Speaker 5: He tried to dunk on no boy.
[55:09] Speaker 1: 5-13 from the field in the game. So half his
[55:13] Speaker 1: shots was three more than half his shots. Let's take
[55:15] Speaker 1: a deeper dive into it. So there have been criticism
[55:17] Speaker 1: of the whistle SGA gets all season. Obviously that didn't
[55:19] Speaker 1: stop in game one. Here are the fouls SGA was
[55:22] Speaker 1: able to draw in the Thunders game on win. I
[55:24] Speaker 1: want y'all to be the judge for yourself. Take a look. Foul.
[55:29] Speaker 1: Foul on Gobert early in the game. That's a foul.
[55:35] Speaker 1: I can't see that.
[55:38] Speaker 5: One yep get your hand out the cookie.
[55:43] Speaker 7: Jar yep that was a foul but they didn't call
[55:51] Speaker 7: it I don't know what Ant-Man was doing here that
[55:53] Speaker 7: was just Ant-Man they haven't called a foul yet and
[55:56] Speaker 7: then he does that.
[55:56] Speaker 1: Yeah that was stupid that was a little what was
[56:03] Speaker 1: that Foot caught? Oh, yeah. Foul? You think that's a foul? Yeah,
[56:09] Speaker 1: he tripped him. Okay. Foul. Foul. Hook. Man, these niggas
[56:21] Speaker 1: just stupid, man.
[56:23] Speaker 2: That was not a foul. But it looked like a
[56:25] Speaker 2: foul because he got tripped. It looked like he got tripped.
[56:28] Speaker 2: He just lost his foot. They gave it back. That's
[56:34] Speaker 2: the easiest one to call. That's the little wheel. When
[56:37] Speaker 2: they put their hand on you. Right there. That push.
[56:40] Speaker 5: That float shot.
[56:41] Speaker 1: Yep. Uh-uh. Yep. Shout out to our producers. They just
[56:46] Speaker 1: fell down. Putting together this extension. And a bump. Boom.
[56:49] Speaker 1: Fell down. Yep. Daniel's trying to stay with SGA. Yep. Ooh. So,
[56:56] Speaker 1: I mean.
[56:56] Speaker 5: It's just dumb.
[56:57] Speaker 1: It's just. He's not getting Kawhi with none of these
[57:01] Speaker 1: like that.
[57:02] Speaker 5: See, but the thing is, it's not even just, it's
[57:04] Speaker 5: like when we was watching the game, they was doing
[57:07] Speaker 5: dumb fouls in the beginning. So it's like he's in
[57:09] Speaker 5: the penalty, it's four, and it's like they got four
[57:13] Speaker 5: fouls already, team fouls. It's already in the penalty. So,
[57:16] Speaker 5: I mean, what you going to do after that? You
[57:17] Speaker 5: going to keep attacking. But, I mean, I think maybe
[57:21] Speaker 5: about three or four. I mean, maybe three calls.
[57:24] Speaker 1: Three or four. The tripping one is the late call.
[57:31] Speaker 2: That's where his foot is hooked. When he's shooting a
[57:34] Speaker 2: jump shot, he caught it. There's really nothing you can
[57:38] Speaker 2: do about that. For the most part, you already know
[57:41] Speaker 2: the scheme of what he does. He's going to bump
[57:44] Speaker 2: you first.
[57:44] Speaker 1: Boom. As soon as you get the bump back, that's
[57:48] Speaker 1: when he's And I got to give credit to SGA.
[57:52] Speaker 1: He does a great job selling these calls that we
[57:54] Speaker 1: like to say. That's high IQ. You may call that
[57:58] Speaker 1: high IQ. What'd you call it? He's selling the calls. Okay.
[58:01] Speaker 1: High IQ. I like the way you say it. I
[58:03] Speaker 1: don't like the way I say it. They get offended
[58:05] Speaker 1: when I say it that way. It sounds better. Selling
[58:08] Speaker 1: the calls. High IQ. That's what I think. Selling, flopping,
[58:11] Speaker 1: foul baiting. You know what's so funny?
[58:13] Speaker 2: You know if they call every foul in the NBA,
[58:15] Speaker 2: the game would be over by, what, the Beginning of
[58:18] Speaker 2: third quarter, they said.
[58:18] Speaker 1: Everybody would file out. Yeah, everybody would file out.
[58:20] Speaker 2: There would be no players left. So that means they're
[58:25] Speaker 2: not calling. They said 75% of the actual fouls, which
[58:31] Speaker 2: means if I know your job is not to call
[58:35] Speaker 2: the fouls, then that means I got to sell when
[58:36] Speaker 2: I think I'm getting fouled.
[58:39] Speaker 1: Back in the day. Oh, you remember that shit? Yeah, yeah.
[58:43] Speaker 1: You go in there, you do this. Yo, you slap yourself,
[58:45] Speaker 1: bullshit like that. You selling your calls, man.
[58:49] Speaker 2: The only people who get penalized the opposite way of
[58:53] Speaker 2: fouling is people.
[58:54] Speaker 1: Who are trying to be too strong.
[58:55] Speaker 2: So Shaquille O'Neal got penalized for being too strong. LeBron
[59:00] Speaker 2: James for most of his career.
[59:01] Speaker 1: Giannis. Jokic. Giannis still leads the league in free throws. Embiid.
[59:09] Speaker 1: Boogie Coen.
[59:10] Speaker 2: Dwight, guys that are so strong, you fouling them, you
[59:14] Speaker 2: get the hang on them before they call a foul.
[59:18] Speaker 2: But if you watch their games and they call it
[59:20] Speaker 2: like this, they'll shoot 25 free throws.
[59:22] Speaker 5: Guys sell fouls because they don't want to pass the ball.
[59:27] Speaker 4: It's a good excuse. To fucking say, that's why I
[59:32] Speaker 4: didn't pass. He fouled me, bro. He fouled me.
[59:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[59:35] Speaker 2: No, I can do it because you're not disciplined.
[59:40] Speaker 4: You're not disciplined on defense. If you got to sell
[59:43] Speaker 4: the call, ain't got nothing to do with discipline. I'm
[59:46] Speaker 4: as disciplined as it gets. You're selling it.
[59:49] Speaker 1: Acting.
[59:49] Speaker 4: That's what Doris Burke says. Doesn't Doris say he's a
[59:53] Speaker 4: great actor?
[59:55] Speaker 1: He's acting.
[59:56] Speaker 4: That means I'm not fouling him. That's what that means
[59:59] Speaker 4: for a defender. If he's acting, that means I'm not
[1:00:01] Speaker 4: fouling him.
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: You said NBA Twitter says that he's a free throw merchant.
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: Put it like this. If he's a free throw, I
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: shot 11 free throws. He's a free throw merchant?
[1:00:16] Speaker 5: I mean, you're somebody that you always talk about can't
[1:00:18] Speaker 5: wait to get to the free throw.
[1:00:20] Speaker 1: Get him in the bonus.
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: But as you accomplished that early in the game, got
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: him in the bonus early in the first quarter.
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: That's the same thing. That's not.
[1:00:27] Speaker 5: Because he can't wait to get into the free throw.
[1:00:29] Speaker 4: Kobe and Durant and none of those guys were trying
[1:00:32] Speaker 4: to get to sell the call.
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: It was a blatant foul. We're going to the rim. Hey! No,
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: hold on.
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: No, no.
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: Wait.
[1:00:38] Speaker 5: No, KD, it was this right here.
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: He was selling that every time. He was going to. Man,
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: this right.
[1:00:42] Speaker 5: They took this out the game because KD kept doing that.
[1:00:45] Speaker 5: Every time KD got the ball, somebody did that. That's selling.
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: You're just doing that.
[1:00:48] Speaker 4: Foul.
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: If I'm shooting, your hand right here. Foul.
[1:00:53] Speaker 5: I don't have to sell that. So you don't think
[1:00:55] Speaker 5: that's what they got a hand up? You don't think
[1:00:58] Speaker 5: he's doing the same thing?
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: No.
[1:01:00] Speaker 4: He's falling before he even hit him. We just seen
[1:01:03] Speaker 4: he just fell to the ground. Nobody touched him. So
[1:01:07] Speaker 4: when you fall, you get a foul. The same thing
[1:01:09] Speaker 4: for Joel Embiid. He's a foul merchant too. He's one
[1:01:13] Speaker 4: of the worst.
[1:01:14] Speaker 5: But what's wrong with that?
[1:01:15] Speaker 4: You mean because you're just falling on the ground and
[1:01:18] Speaker 4: you get a call and nobody touch you.
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: There's something wrong with that.
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: No.
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: What do you mean? You're not just getting a call.
[1:01:23] Speaker 5: If you're guarding somebody and they fall and the dude call.
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: A foul, you're not mad? Yeah, of course. Of course.
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: What are we talking about then? But that's not happening.
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: It is what's happening.
[1:01:32] Speaker 5: The one when he just fell, they gave him the
[1:01:33] Speaker 5: call back.
[1:01:34] Speaker 4: Bro, if we're on the same team, we're playing against
[1:01:36] Speaker 4: this guy, and you guarding him first, you get your
[1:01:38] Speaker 4: first two calls because he fell on the ground. You're
[1:01:41] Speaker 4: on the bench. You're mad. You're looking at me like, bro,
[1:01:43] Speaker 4: there ain't too much we can do tonight. He's falling tonight.
[1:01:47] Speaker 4: That don't make you mad?
[1:01:48] Speaker 5: No, it does make you mad. It can make you mad,
[1:01:50] Speaker 5: but that don't stop you from winning. So let's do
[1:01:51] Speaker 5: something else. Let's go double. Let's get the ball out
[1:01:53] Speaker 5: of his hands. He falls. What if he falls again?
[1:01:56] Speaker 5: He's falling in there.
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: He can't get up. He's falling. Here we go.
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: If you're playing against Rashad, if you're playing against Rashad.
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: What do you think he's going to do? He's going
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: to try to what? Muscle me. Muscle you, right? That's
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: what you thought. Easy to sell his calls. It's easy
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: to sell the calls. I'm not going to do that.
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: I'm going to bump him, and when he tries to
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: go one of these, oh, shit. I'm going to do that.
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: But from the look, yes.
[1:02:19] Speaker 4: That ain't got nothing to do with me and my genius.
[1:02:21] Speaker 4: Your looking ass thinking I'm going to do that is
[1:02:24] Speaker 4: your fault. I know, but But I'm going to do it.
[1:02:26] Speaker 4: Hand down, hand down. I don't got to back you down.
[1:02:28] Speaker 1: No, we're talking about on defense.
[1:02:30] Speaker 5: If you're on defense, I'm going to go right at
[1:02:32] Speaker 5: you because you look.
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: Because you look so strong that when you touch me.
[1:02:37] Speaker 1: I'm flabbergasted. So say it again? I look like if
[1:02:42] Speaker 1: you just run into me, you could just go, what?
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: Sell it. Instead of being tough, I am being tough.
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: I am being tough.
[1:02:50] Speaker 5: I'm running into a brick wall.
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: Is that what we're teaching the kids?
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: Is that what we're teaching the kids? I'm going to
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: run into you. Is that what we're teaching the kids?
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: Jump shot. Bro, you.
[1:03:00] Speaker 5: Bro, get to that free throw line. Man, free throw
[1:03:02] Speaker 5: line win games.
[1:03:03] Speaker 1: Free throw. Jalen Brunson, he goes through the foul.
[1:03:07] Speaker 5: He does the same thing.
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: He does the same thing.
[1:03:10] Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson plays through the foul, bro.
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: He does the same thing.
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: He plays through the foul. I got to play through
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: the foul to get my hand warm.
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: No, SGA and Brunson. No. SGA and Brunson. Nah.
[1:03:20] Speaker 5: Brunson not falling. Just a fall, bro. They're IQ geniuses, bro.
[1:03:24] Speaker 5: They just committed. Not falling, just a fall, bro. If
[1:03:26] Speaker 5: I'm coming down on a break on you on the
[1:03:28] Speaker 5: right-hand side, I'm going right at you.
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: Right at you.
[1:03:30] Speaker 5: I know you're going to foul.
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: You're going to have to. I'm not going to foul. Yes,
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: you are.
[1:03:34] Speaker 5: You could just run into me. I'm just going to
[1:03:37] Speaker 5: pull the chair. Look at your dumb ass.
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: I'm blocking.
[1:03:40] Speaker 4: I'm right here.
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: I'm pulling the chair. I'm not doing none of that.
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: I'm right in front of you, bro.
[1:03:45] Speaker 5: You're just going to go at me like I'm.
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: Just going to be like, I'm going right at you.
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: You doing this. I'm backing up. I'm stripping the ball.
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: You pull up, I'm stripping it. Whatever. I don't have
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: to be strong. I just have to be smart.
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: Like when a big man is posting up a small guy.
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: And a small guy is sitting there trying to fight him.
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: You stupid. I did see Alex Caruso do that. It's
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: a dumb thing. Take the charge.
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: Did he have to take a charge?
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: Did he have to? Like Dwight Howard or something.
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: They're sitting there going to lower their shoulders. Why are
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: you trying to muscle? You're trying to muscle with this guy.
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: As soon as he lowers his shoulder, take the charge. So,
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: You don't need to pretend you're strong. We know you're not.
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: Stronger than him.
[1:04:41] Speaker 5: Take the charge.
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: So, Sonny, I'm going to ask you directly. Make him
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: change it up. I'm going to ask you directly, Sonny.
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: Are the criticism of SGA's whistle justified? The criticism of
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: his whistle?
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: A lot of people upset with the whistle that SGA gets.
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: For sure. Western Conference Finals.
[1:04:56] Speaker 4: After going through the game last night, we went through
[1:04:59] Speaker 4: a whole analytical breakdown of how he getting his points,
[1:05:04] Speaker 4: why he was struggling, how he got his shit back
[1:05:08] Speaker 4: And it's an advantage. It's just like the James Harden
[1:05:10] Speaker 4: step back when nobody knew how to stop that shit.
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: So we watched a clip of all the fouls that
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: SGA drew in the game, even the one that was overturned.
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: Did you feel like the bulk of those were not foul? Yeah,
[1:05:21] Speaker 1: a bulk of them wasn't.
[1:05:22] Speaker 4: But the fact that there was some that wasn't, like
[1:05:26] Speaker 4: it would be good if none of them was. None
[1:05:28] Speaker 4: of them were fouls? No, I'm saying if all of
[1:05:31] Speaker 4: them were fouls, it would be good. If all of
[1:05:33] Speaker 4: them were fouls, it would be great. But the fact
[1:05:35] Speaker 4: that you got like three or four That's crazy.
[1:05:42] Speaker 5: Damn, so those fouls decided the game?
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: That's eight points. They lost by 35, 400 points? How
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: much did they lose by? They did not lose by
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: 400 points. When he was getting all the fouls, they
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: were losing.
[1:05:54] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: 26 points. In the first quarter?
[1:05:57] Speaker 5: In the first half.
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: They were losing? They were down early in the first quarter.
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: SGA got seven free throws. How many?
[1:06:01] Speaker 5: Half the time, what was the score?
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: About eight. Wolves were up by four. So they were
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: losing when he was getting all his free throws. And
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: the Wolves were up by three after the first quarter.
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: Two to 12 in the first quarter. Yeah, they were down.
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: I think Wolves scored first eight points. They were playing
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: good defense. They shot a total of five free throws
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: for the second half.
[1:06:16] Speaker 5: He missed some gimme's.
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: They were playing great defense.
[1:06:20] Speaker 5: No, he missed some in and outs.
[1:06:22] Speaker 1: How's that? The same shot.
[1:06:23] Speaker 5: To me, I mean, when I was watching the game,
[1:06:25] Speaker 5: he's shooting the same shots.
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: He get to the.
[1:06:27] Speaker 5: Same spaces, right in that paint, fall back, everything.
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: Question for the couch. Whether you agree with SGA's ability
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: to draw fouls or not, call it foul baiting, being
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: a foul merchant, whatever. How hard is it to keep
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: your cool when it feels like an opposing player is
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: getting every whistle? Hmm.
[1:06:43] Speaker 5: No, play better defense.
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: Make an adjustment. Do something different. That's how you would
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: feel with the question he just asked?
[1:06:51] Speaker 5: Obviously, nobody's been able to guard this man one-on-one all year.
[1:06:55] Speaker 5: So you know what he's going to do, and nobody's
[1:06:58] Speaker 5: still stopping him. So figure something else out. Trap him.
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: Get the ball out of his hands.
[1:07:01] Speaker 5: I don't know. But if he's going to come down
[1:07:03] Speaker 5: and be able to play one-on-one, good luck with.
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: Whoever guarding him.
[1:07:06] Speaker 5: That goes for anybody in the league.
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: You know what the real irony of this is?
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: I think people are not thinking that the referees don't
[1:07:16] Speaker 2: do their homework. The referees don't look at all these
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: plays after the game.
[1:07:21] Speaker 1: So if everyone's saying, he's a free throw merchant.
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: These ain't fouls. You don't think they have to watch this?
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: They have to watch all these plays. And they're out
[1:07:33] Speaker 2: there still making the same call. So they're behind the
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: scenes agreeing that he's just good at this.
[1:07:40] Speaker 1: Some people are just gifted at this shit, man. I
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: watch them sometimes. I'm like, fuck. Like Lou Will. Some
[1:07:49] Speaker 1: people are just fucking gifted at knowing how to get fouls. Look,
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: Devin Harris. We had SGX Pops here in the arena
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: a couple months ago. We talked about the whole foul merchant,
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: foul baiting criticism that his son gets. But pointed out
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: that he has an innate ability to understand the rules
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: and manipulate those rules to be able to draw fouls.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: So if people have a problem with that, then you
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: have a problem with the officials for calling that. Because
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: if they stop calling that stuff, I would imagine he
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: has to change his game up. But there are other
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: guys in the league that get fouled.
[1:08:14] Speaker 5: James has to change his game up.
[1:08:15] Speaker 4: There are other guys in the league that average just
[1:08:18] Speaker 4: as much free throws as him.
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: Correct? There's a second, a third, and a fourth. They
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: don't have the same criticism.
[1:08:25] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: Only one guy has the privilege. Trey Young, third, 7.4
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: free throw attempts per game. Harden, fourth, 7.3 free throw
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: attempts per game this season. Jalen Brunson, fifth. And his
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: went down because they stopped all of that. 6.9 free
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: throw attempts. And then Joker was seventh. For everybody who.
[1:08:38] Speaker 5: So only one guy, probably Joker. The only one is not...
[1:08:42] Speaker 5: People don't consider.
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: Trey, Trey, reputation. All three point guards. James Harden has
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: that same reputation. Jalen Brunson, I don't think, gets it
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: quite as much. Guys who got the ball in the
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: hand the most.
[1:08:52] Speaker 5: Guys who are probably the most skilled, too.
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: I didn't realize we're penalizing people because they're just smarter
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: than everybody. Like, literally, you have to dumb down basketball
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: because I don't see, like, we do know who the
[1:09:09] Speaker 2: elite defenders are, right?
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: Is there an all-defensive team? Pull it.
[1:09:15] Speaker 6: Up.
[1:09:15] Speaker 4: Who's the all-defensive team? I know any defender out there
[1:09:19] Speaker 4: that's watching, they're like, man. It's not been released yet
[1:09:22] Speaker 4: for this year. We can't guard you.
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: Who is the best guard defender?
[1:09:26] Speaker 4: I mean, we done, foe. It's a done night. We
[1:09:29] Speaker 4: can't touch Brandon. We can't touch him, man. They're not
[1:09:31] Speaker 4: letting us touch him.
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: We can't guard him. But they only shot 26 and
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: 21 free throws.
[1:09:35] Speaker 4: All year long, he can't breathe on them. That's what
[1:09:38] Speaker 4: he said. We know coming in here, we knew we
[1:09:39] Speaker 4: tried to scheme for him. Before the series. We knew
[1:09:42] Speaker 4: what we was going to get. But, you know, we
[1:09:44] Speaker 4: got to figure it out. And you know his saying, man.
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: He's consistent. He's been consistent all year doing this. Somebody
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: should know. He know what he doing.
[1:09:51] Speaker 5: Somebody should know. Can't fault him for that.
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: He know what he doing.
[1:09:54] Speaker 5: Watch better film.
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: Coach.
[1:09:57] Speaker 5: Or whatever his coach is. Go do another scheme or something.
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: Shit. I don't know. Get out of here. I don't know.
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: When I hear that. George Dyson Daniels. A man Thompson,
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: I think. perimeter. Looks like it's the coaching. Play against Daniels.
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: You said Daniels, right? You shot four free throws against him.
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: Took 23 shots.
[1:10:35] Speaker 5: Shit, as long as they keep starting Mike Conley, he
[1:10:36] Speaker 5: ain't got to play defense either.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: I'm going to look at some of those elite, like
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: that's on that first team that's considered elite defenders who, you.
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: Know, they.
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: I want to see how many free throws he takes
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: against the Boston Celtics, Drew Holiday and them. They're smart
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: enough not to fall for it. They understand.
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: They're watching tape, right?
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: We're pretending that these guys actually watch tape all year
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: to see when he comes in, what he's going to do.
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:11:00] Speaker 2: If you know what a guy likes to do left, right.
[1:11:03] Speaker 2: When he comes in, he likes to dip his shoulder.
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: And when he dip his shoulder and he thinks like
[1:11:08] Speaker 2: he's going to go out and he stops Sam, the
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: fucking Sam Cassell, push the ball over.
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: Right. Let you catch up. Pump fake. No, you're going
[1:11:18] Speaker 1: to jump running to you. Right. That was his move.
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: So you have to understand what the offense does.
[1:11:23] Speaker 2: If you're going to be a great defender, because the
[1:11:25] Speaker 2: offense is looking at what you do as a defensive player.
[1:11:28] Speaker 2: That's why I said, what's the name? If you catch
[1:11:30] Speaker 2: that ball right there, fake Rudy every single time. He's
[1:11:33] Speaker 2: jumping every single time. Get him out of the game.
[1:11:36] Speaker 2: You don't have to go up and shoot that floater.
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: It's open. Pump fake. Just one time. Let Rudy jump.
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: Get the foul. Now he's grounded. Score it. Third time.
[1:11:47] Speaker 2: Pump fake again. If he don't jump, pump fake it again.
[1:11:50] Speaker 2: He going to jump that time. Get the second foul.
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: Zaz got to sit down. It's a chess match.
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: That's all he's playing. He's playing a numbers game. I
[1:11:59] Speaker 2: drive 26 times. How many fouls can I acculate? Even
[1:12:03] Speaker 2: if I don't shoot free throws, how many fouls can
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: I accumulate?
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: How many people are going to sit on the bench?
[1:12:08] Speaker 1: Don't settle. No one gets in a.
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: I can't get you in foul trouble if I'm just
[1:12:12] Speaker 2: sitting and shooting a whole bunch of threes because that's what.
[1:12:14] Speaker 1: You want me to do.
[1:12:14] Speaker 5: I mean, we've been preaching it the whole time. Go
[1:12:17] Speaker 5: to the lane. Get to the basket.
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: So we talked about what SGA did. Regular season, obviously,
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: second and free throw attempts per game, but should it
[1:12:24] Speaker 1: be a different metric in terms of what they call
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: as fouls in the playoffs? We talk about playoff basketball.
[1:12:29] Speaker 1: Should there be room for more aggression? Or are these fouls, playoffs,
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: regular season?
[1:12:33] Speaker 5: I mean, both teams only shot 26 and 21 free throws,
[1:12:35] Speaker 5: so it wasn't a lot of, like, you know, it
[1:12:39] Speaker 5: wasn't that much. One guy shot 14 of the 26, bro.
[1:12:41] Speaker 5: What are you talking about? And he went to the basket.
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: One guy shot 14 of the 26. Okay, can I
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: ask you this? If he drives 20 how many times?
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: 28 times.
[1:12:53] Speaker 2: If he drives 28 times, how many free throws and
[1:12:58] Speaker 2: layups do you think he should? What do you think
[1:13:02] Speaker 2: the balance is on that? He drove 26 times. How
[1:13:04] Speaker 2: many free throws do you give him? How many just
[1:13:06] Speaker 2: pure layups do you think.
[1:13:08] Speaker 1: He's going to get? Playing good defense, he don't get
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: no free throws, no layups. Okay, so 28 times. This
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: is so fucking simple. Go play defense. He's driving. Stay
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: in front of him. Hand up.
[1:13:19] Speaker 4: Make him pass it. Stay in front of him. It's
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: called driving kick drill. We used to do it all
[1:13:23] Speaker 4: the fucking time.
[1:13:24] Speaker 5: You think it's that easy?
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: It is. No, it ain't. He drove 28 times. No middle.
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: So he's 0 for 20. No middle. 0 for 28.
[1:13:32] Speaker 1: Didn't we get taught no middle? Yeah. On the closeout.
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: Ice it, yeah. High left.
[1:13:36] Speaker 4: The ball's on the right wing. I'm closing out left side,
[1:13:40] Speaker 4: pushing to the baseline. Where's your fundamentals? I don't want
[1:13:43] Speaker 4: to hear this shit, man. I really want to talk hoop.
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: But you just said if a dude drives 28 times,
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: he should.
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: Have zero free throws, zero layups. So he's 0 for 28.
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: He shouldn't be shooting.
[1:13:56] Speaker 5: He should be passing on every drive. He don't have
[1:13:58] Speaker 5: a lane. He has nowhere to pass. He has nowhere
[1:14:01] Speaker 5: to shoot. He has to pick up his dribble, and
[1:14:03] Speaker 5: he has to look like Caruso does when he drives.
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: I'm not saying what you should do.
[1:14:09] Speaker 5: He drives, and then he picks it up, and he
[1:14:11] Speaker 5: looks to pass it to somebody.
[1:14:13] Speaker 1: Why are we not counting his drives? Because it doesn't
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: count as a drive. We're saying he's already there. It
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: doesn't count as a drive. What do you mean? He's driving.
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: He's picking the ball up. Yes. That's a drive. He stopped. Yeah.
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: We're saying in the lane. We're saying in the lane.
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: That means he already got there. That means your defense
[1:14:26] Speaker 2: is not there. So how many layups do you give
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: this MVP and how many free throws?
[1:14:31] Speaker 5: Not getting no layups. Not getting no free throws. We're
[1:14:33] Speaker 5: not fouling him. It's called play without fouling. It's called
[1:14:36] Speaker 5: play without fouling. It's called play without fouling.
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: Wow.
[1:14:39] Speaker 5: Okay.
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: All right. Well. Let's keep this thing moving.
[1:14:42] Speaker 2: I think we've had sufficient foul merchant discussions for anyone
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: to talk basketball.
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: Realistic taste. Good defense. Driving. No foul. Good defense. Driving.
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: No foul. Passing the ball. What are you talking about?
[1:14:55] Speaker 5: A dude who's averaging 30 will go to the lane
[1:14:58] Speaker 5: 28 times and not get a one free throw or layup.
[1:15:01] Speaker 4: If he's not looking for it, if he's not looking
[1:15:02] Speaker 4: for the foul, if he's not trying to sell the
[1:15:04] Speaker 4: foul and you got a guy like Lou Doerr guarding
[1:15:06] Speaker 4: him or somebody like that guarding him, you can play
[1:15:08] Speaker 4: good defense, especially if it's team defense. They're playing good
[1:15:13] Speaker 4: defense on the other end. They're stopping Ant Edwards from
[1:15:16] Speaker 4: doing what Shea does.
[1:15:18] Speaker 1: How? Because I'm not letting him drive to the lane.
[1:15:21] Speaker 1: I already stopped him from driving to the lane. So
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: we're saying he got in the lane 28 times. He's
[1:15:29] Speaker 1: a jump shooter more too. What kind of defense is
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: OKC playing on Ant-Man? They're loading up. They're loading up.
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: So that means he didn't get in the lane 28 times.
[1:15:38] Speaker 5: Because they're loading up, right? So the other team is
[1:15:42] Speaker 5: not loading up.
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: So he got in there 28 times. Right.
[1:15:45] Speaker 5: So what should Minnesota do?
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: We're not saying what he should. We're saying he got
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: in 28 times. I'm saying what they should do. I'm
[1:15:50] Speaker 1: saying Minnesota should do what OKC's doing. And we're going
[1:15:53] Speaker 1: to talk about that in just a second. Let's wrap
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: this up, though. We asked the chat, is the flopping obvious? 78%
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: of the chat said yes. But let's shift over to
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: one more thing. We got tons of Wolf Talk. I
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: ain't been here all week. Can I fucking celebrate, Joe?
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: What's up, bro? Let's talk about one last thing before
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: we switch over to the Wolf Talk. 28 times, zero points.
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: Making money. Money making Sunday. So like I mentioned on
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: the show yesterday, former Nuggets coach Michael Malone joined the
[1:16:26] Speaker 1: ESPN crew to cover the Western Conference Finals. So Malone
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: coached Nikola Jokic during each of his three MVP seasons,
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: and the bulk of this season which saw Joker become
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: the first big man in NBA history to average a triple-double.
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: While he was still employed by the Nuggets, Malone was
[1:16:40] Speaker 1: very outspoken in his support of Jokic winning MVP this season.
[1:16:44] Speaker 1: But after game one, Malone had this to say about Shea.
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: And then Shea gilded to Alexander.
[1:16:50] Speaker 5: He showed why he's the MVP. He took over in
[1:16:53] Speaker 5: the second half, did so in a very efficient manner,
[1:16:56] Speaker 5: and put the team on his back when they needed.
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: Him to do so. I think Shea just won MVP. Yeah,
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: Shea did, according to Shams. It was supposed to be
[1:17:05] Speaker 1: announced later tonight. Shams cannot wait. So ladies and gentlemen.
[1:17:10] Speaker 2: Shea Gildas Alexander, your 2024-25 NBA MVP.
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: It is official. Sources tell ESPN, according to Shams, the
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: NBA got to stop snitching. Man, they snitched two weeks ago.
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: He been new? Yes. He been new. Shout out to
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: Shea Gildas Alexander, first MVP in his career. Down to
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: two finalists. Shea got the best of Joker and the
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: Nuggets in their second round series. Now I'll get the
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: best of you. I'll get you again winning MVP. What's
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: your initial reaction to SGA winning his first career MVP? Goddamn, Tom,
[1:17:47] Speaker 1: I'm just playing. Michael Malone was right, I guess. I mean,
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: it's amazing, man.
[1:17:51] Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's done, did something that a
[1:17:56] Speaker 2: lot of people can't say they've done. You know, take
[1:17:59] Speaker 2: a very young team for the last two years, you know,
[1:18:04] Speaker 2: to the number one seed.
[1:18:08] Speaker 1: He felt he got, you know... robbed last year.
[1:18:13] Speaker 2: And he came back to prove it this year that
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: he was the rightful MVP, and, you know, and they
[1:18:17] Speaker 2: rewarded him with it. So, you know, it's a great
[1:18:21] Speaker 2: thing to watch, no matter what kind of criticism he gets.
[1:18:23] Speaker 1: You know, he knows how to play this game.
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: You can see he's detailed in this game, and, you know,
[1:18:31] Speaker 2: it's well-deserved.
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: Mr. B, do you agree with Shea Gildas Alexander winning
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: the MVP award over Nikola Jokic? Nikola, historic season. They
[1:18:39] Speaker 1: finished top. Five in multiple categories, including steals. First big
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: man ever in NBA history ever to triple-double. Hey, man, stop.
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: We know who won. We know who won. won, man.
[1:18:50] Speaker 1: We don't need Jokic talk right now, man. Excuse me.
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: He heard the question already. 6-8 wins, led the league
[1:18:58] Speaker 1: in scoring, got the scoring title. We talked about this
[1:19:01] Speaker 1: on the show previously this week. If he did get
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: this MVP, if he did lead this Thunder squad to
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: a championship finals MVP, where that would put him in
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: Thunder history, what do you think about SGA winning his
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: first career MVP award? Oh, man.
[1:19:13] Speaker 5: I mean, I'm happy for him. You know, he's consistent
[1:19:15] Speaker 5: all year. Like Gil said, he took a young team.
[1:19:18] Speaker 5: I remember when we interviewed his dad up here on
[1:19:21] Speaker 5: the couch. How much they love AI and how in
[1:19:25] Speaker 5: tune they are with the game and the details of
[1:19:27] Speaker 5: the game. And, you know, you can see his dad's swag. So,
[1:19:30] Speaker 5: you know, where all the swag and everything come from.
[1:19:32] Speaker 5: So it was just dope just to hear his background.
[1:19:35] Speaker 5: You know, a kid from Canada that probably grew up,
[1:19:38] Speaker 5: probably never knew that, you.
[1:19:39] Speaker 1: Know, he'll be MVP.
[1:19:40] Speaker 5: So to have his first MVP and have a winning
[1:19:42] Speaker 5: season behind it, too, and also be in the Western
[1:19:45] Speaker 5: Conference Finals is big. So I'm happy for him.
[1:19:48] Speaker 1: And he's consistent. Sonny, what do you think about Shea
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: Gildas Alexander winning his first MVP?
[1:19:53] Speaker 5: Congratulations, for sure. He worked hard for it. He took
[1:19:57] Speaker 5: down Titan.
[1:19:59] Speaker 4: And I think that was most important for him, to
[1:20:03] Speaker 4: make sure he beat him, to show everybody if I
[1:20:05] Speaker 4: could beat him.
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? He beat Joker's ass.
[1:20:09] Speaker 4: Because if, you know, Joker and him win that series,
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: and he still wins it, it's a whole bunch of.
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: Different kind of conversations, you know what I'm saying?
[1:20:17] Speaker 4: But I like that you can't try to change the
[1:20:21] Speaker 4: narrative now. You know, he got to kind of now
[1:20:23] Speaker 4: come back next year and prove, just like every other
[1:20:26] Speaker 4: MVP has, Giannis, MB, Joker, come back the next year
[1:20:30] Speaker 4: and prove the numbers to be the same or similar,
[1:20:33] Speaker 4: take your team to the same, and keep working hard.
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Three straight seasons, averaging 30
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: points per game, shooting over 50% from the field. Only
[1:20:41] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan has done that. Damn.
[1:20:45] Speaker 5: Three straight seasons averaging 30.
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: Three straight seasons averaging 30 points per game. SGA. Was
[1:20:51] Speaker 1: the Gills Arena MVP last season, but now officially the
[1:20:55] Speaker 1: NBA MVP. 2024-2025 season, congrats to SGA. The black man.
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: Canadian black man. A Canadian black man. Does he put
[1:21:06] Speaker 1: the do-rag on when he got the MVP trophy? Should
[1:21:08] Speaker 1: he wear the do-rag to his MVP trophy? I can't
[1:21:12] Speaker 1: wait for him to be a Laker. We will find
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: out later this evening. You want a lot of people, man.
[1:21:18] Speaker 1: And let's go back to Mike Malone real quick. Like
[1:21:20] Speaker 1: I said, he was very supportive of Joker when he
[1:21:22] Speaker 1: had the job. I know the Clippers is kicking their ass.
[1:21:31] Speaker 1: I was an idiot. And then Smokey in the arena. Oh, man.
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: Some dummies over there in Clipper land. It starts with Charlotte.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: Some dummies.
[1:21:46] Speaker 2: Y'all drafted him. Very Smokey in the arena. That was
[1:21:51] Speaker 2: the best draft pick they actually ever drafted. LaMelo's the second.
[1:21:56] Speaker 2: And then they traded it. You know the Hornets drafted
[1:22:00] Speaker 2: Kobe as well.
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: Got it. The Hornets did draft Kobe.
[1:22:03] Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no.
[1:22:06] Speaker 1: No, that was not the same. That was just like
[1:22:10] Speaker 1: Sinus dropped on Scottie Pippen. It was already an arrangement.
[1:22:13] Speaker 1: I'm just telling you. It was already arranged. It was
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: already arranged. I'm just letting you know what happened. Woo!
[1:22:22] Speaker 1: He could have been a real enemy over there in
[1:22:24] Speaker 1: the Clipper land. Probably would not have been an MVP.
[1:22:28] Speaker 1: The Clipper curse would have done it. I know, I know.
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: Braves would not have been as flossy. That would have
[1:22:33] Speaker 1: been weird, a Clipper with an MVP. That's something. Nasty.
[1:22:38] Speaker 5: That's one of them, like, you just act like it
[1:22:40] Speaker 5: never happened.
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. So, Fisher MVP announcement expected tonight. We
[1:22:45] Speaker 1: will have more on that on Gil's Arena presented by
[1:22:47] Speaker 1: Underdog Woo Woo tomorrow. Well, let's talk about the Minnesota
[1:22:52] Speaker 1: Timberwolves now as we wait for the smoke to clear
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: after SGA's MVP announcement. So, Ant-Man was averaging nearly 27
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: points per game heading into the conference finals, held to
[1:23:01] Speaker 1: 18 points in game one while attempting just 13 shots.
[1:23:04] Speaker 1: He had this to say about what he needs to
[1:23:06] Speaker 1: do On the offensive end.
[1:23:08] Speaker 8: I definitely got to shoot more. I only took 13
[1:23:10] Speaker 8: fucking shots. But I'll say probably just get off the
[1:23:15] Speaker 8: ball a little more. Play without the ball. I think
[1:23:18] Speaker 8: that'll be the answer. Because playing on the ball, they're
[1:23:21] Speaker 8: just going to double and sit in the gaps all day.
[1:23:22] Speaker 8: So got to go watch some film and pick it apart.
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. Okay. You heard Ant-Man say it himself, Sean.
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: Do you agree? There it is.
[1:23:32] Speaker 4: What Ant-Man said. If you're watching the game, you see
[1:23:37] Speaker 4: where his hesitancy lies. He's trying to read what they're doing.
[1:23:42] Speaker 4: We watched the game.
[1:23:43] Speaker 1: We analyzed. We seen the first five minutes what they
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: was doing.
[1:23:45] Speaker 4: They were switching on everybody else, loading up on him.
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: It made it look like a matchup zone.
[1:23:51] Speaker 4: He was trying to read it, figure out where to
[1:23:53] Speaker 4: get his attacking angles from. Finch has the whole offense
[1:23:56] Speaker 4: up at the top of the key, so they don't
[1:23:58] Speaker 4: got no real down screens, no No underneath actions. Everything's
[1:24:04] Speaker 4: at the top, so it's easy to switch and load up.
[1:24:06] Speaker 4: So he's going to have to figure out where, if
[1:24:09] Speaker 4: off the ball he plays, where he's going to get
[1:24:11] Speaker 4: the ball off the ball. If they're just going to
[1:24:13] Speaker 4: load up and switch everything anyway, it's going to be difficult.
[1:24:18] Speaker 4: You're going to need Julius Randle to say today at
[1:24:20] Speaker 4: this point. I think he's going to be the one
[1:24:22] Speaker 4: guy that, like he did in the first half, he
[1:24:24] Speaker 4: showed up early. He got their momentum early. They up
[1:24:28] Speaker 4: four by half. but he can't disappear in the second half.
[1:24:30] Speaker 4: We got to figure out what that was and make
[1:24:33] Speaker 4: a correction.
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: You heard what Ant-Man said, but what do the Wolves
[1:24:39] Speaker 1: need to do to help Ant better take advantage of
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: the Thunder's defense? Go back to early 2000, man. Early
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: 2000 basketball, like the Thunder are doing, 21 three-point attempts
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: to the Wolves, 51. Who on your team is a
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: threat for us to actually knock W on? Hmm.
[1:24:58] Speaker 2: You sitting there trying to do pick and rolls with
[1:25:00] Speaker 2: everyone we're going to double you off of. So go
[1:25:02] Speaker 2: back to early 2000 where the two best players played
[1:25:05] Speaker 2: pick and roll.
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: I'm not going to double you off of Julius. The fuck?
[1:25:10] Speaker 2: You do a pick and roll with Randall and I
[1:25:12] Speaker 2: try to double you.
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: I throw it back to Randall. Randall's by himself.
[1:25:18] Speaker 2: Now you got to over rotate with somebody that you
[1:25:20] Speaker 2: didn't plan on rotating from because that's not just your
[1:25:22] Speaker 2: game plan. So the fact that you think you can
[1:25:26] Speaker 2: set a pick and roll with Conley and we're not.
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: Going to double, we want Conley to shoot a whole
[1:25:30] Speaker 1: bunch of shots. We want Rudy. We want you to
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: throw it to Rudy.
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: Rudy, go in there and try to, he try to
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: year-round step from a three-point line and turn around, throw
[1:25:37] Speaker 2: it behind his, like, I don't know what the fuck
[1:25:39] Speaker 2: kind of basketball he plays when he gets the ball,
[1:25:41] Speaker 2: but what do you think is going to happen when
[1:25:43] Speaker 2: they double that?
[1:25:44] Speaker 1: So the only.
[1:25:45] Speaker 2: Thing that you could do With their defense, it's a
[1:25:49] Speaker 2: pick-and-roll with Randle. He's going to pop just like Denver
[1:25:54] Speaker 2: does when they get to the fourth quarter. The same
[1:25:57] Speaker 2: two people are pick-and-rolling.
[1:25:59] Speaker 1: How are you going to play? Are you going to
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: hard show?
[1:26:00] Speaker 2: Are you going to over? Are you going to switch it?
[1:26:02] Speaker 2: Now you're switching. Now Randle has a smaller guy on him.
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: You should be playing the two-man game. If not, what
[1:26:08] Speaker 2: are you going to do? Beat DiVincenzo now? So you
[1:26:12] Speaker 2: can get all those shots because he took 14 shots,
[1:26:13] Speaker 2: and you're thinking like, God damn, my These side niggas
[1:26:17] Speaker 2: took all these shots.
[1:26:17] Speaker 1: I need to get those shots because they're doubling me.
[1:26:20] Speaker 1: I'm giving it up. He's shooting it. That needs to
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: be me. I'm sorry, sir.
[1:26:23] Speaker 2: That's not going to happen because nobody's doubling Devin Junzo
[1:26:26] Speaker 2: coming off the pick and roll. Nobody's doubling Conley coming
[1:26:29] Speaker 2: off the pick and roll.
[1:26:32] Speaker 1: Right? I mean, you can do.
[1:26:33] Speaker 2: Some drops to the mid post and work from there,
[1:26:36] Speaker 2: but y'all don't have those plays.
[1:26:38] Speaker 1: That's not plays that y'all put into y'all system. So...
[1:26:43] Speaker 1: And they play too much one-on-one in the second half.
[1:26:46] Speaker 1: You get the ball and you try to get it. No,
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: you two work together.
[1:26:49] Speaker 2: If you're going to do one-on-one, let the one-on-one be
[1:26:52] Speaker 2: after you two did something.
[1:26:55] Speaker 1: I pass it to Randall. I come off, see if
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: he's going to give it back.
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: If not, he can pass it, come set the screen.
[1:27:00] Speaker 2: If they're going to double, dive. I mean, it's pretty simple.
[1:27:04] Speaker 2: It's called a basketball, you know, at 24-hour fitness with
[1:27:08] Speaker 2: older guys who can't move very well. Then it just
[1:27:11] Speaker 2: comes pick, pop, slash, duck in.
[1:27:13] Speaker 5: It's simple.
[1:27:15] Speaker 1: 24-hour fitness basketball. Yeah, yeah, with the older guys, not
[1:27:17] Speaker 1: the young niggas. The older guys. They don't really want
[1:27:20] Speaker 1: to move no more. They pass.
[1:27:21] Speaker 2: Come set a screen, get it. You dive, keep coming,
[1:27:25] Speaker 2: hand off. The early morning. You see the early morning offense, man?
[1:27:29] Speaker 2: So we talked about Ant-Man first quarter, appeared to roll
[1:27:33] Speaker 2: his right ankle. He's done that now in each... of
[1:27:36] Speaker 2: the Timberwolves' three playoff series.
[1:27:37] Speaker 1: How concerned should the Wolves be with Ant-Man's right ankle
[1:27:40] Speaker 1: for the remainder of the series?
[1:27:41] Speaker 5: It appeared to be bothering him at points. No, one
[1:27:43] Speaker 5: thing he's going to do is play. He's going to
[1:27:44] Speaker 5: play through that. He ain't got to worry about that.
[1:27:47] Speaker 5: If it ain't broke, he's going to play for sure.
[1:27:49] Speaker 5: He'll be fine.
[1:27:50] Speaker 1: He's going to be fine. No excuses. No excuse? Yeah, nothing.
[1:27:55] Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Timberwolves as a whole. Minnesota
[1:27:57] Speaker 1: took 51 threes in the game, were outscored in the
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: paint 54-20. So besides Ant and Julius Randle, their other
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: three starters combined for 16 points, going six for 16
[1:28:07] Speaker 1: from the field, one for eight from three, while their
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: bench trio of Nas Reed, Dante DiVincenzo, and Nikhil Alexander-Walker
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: combined to shoot seven for 36 from the field, five
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: for 28 from deep. Here are Ant's thoughts on the
[1:28:21] Speaker 1: Thunder's defense in game one. They clog the paint.
[1:28:24] Speaker 5: That's what they do.
[1:28:26] Speaker 8: They don't got much size down there, so they bank
[1:28:31] Speaker 8: on us not making shots, I guess. Go to the rim,
[1:28:34] Speaker 8: it's like four people in the paint. So, yeah, I
[1:28:37] Speaker 8: guess they.
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: Just be clogging the paint. They put like five, four
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: bodies in the paint. make you kick it out. So
[1:28:41] Speaker 1: just keep making the right play. It was different. It
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: was kind of, it was different every time.
[1:28:45] Speaker 8: I mean, heavy in the gaps, sometimes trap the ball screen,
[1:28:50] Speaker 8: sometimes don't, sometimes just run and jump.
[1:28:53] Speaker 1: It's kind of similar to like AAU.
[1:28:55] Speaker 8: They remind me of like an AAU defensive team, just
[1:28:57] Speaker 8: run and jump, fly around. So it was pretty good.
[1:29:02] Speaker 8: Good to get it out of our system in game one.
[1:29:04] Speaker 8: You know, so we'll be ready for game two. We
[1:29:06] Speaker 8: should be ready.
[1:29:08] Speaker 1: So Wolves scored just 88 points in this game. Third
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: time this postseason they've been held under 90 points. They're
[1:29:14] Speaker 1: 0-3 in those games. So, Sonny, what can the Wolves...
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: Third time? Third time this postseason they've scored under 90 points. Yeah,
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: they did one against Golden State. One against the Lakers,
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: one against Golden State, and one in this. Yeah, they
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: don't have enough scoring over there, dog. Two 88-point games,
[1:29:29] Speaker 1: one 85-point game, if I'm not mistaken. But 0-3 in
[1:29:33] Speaker 1: those games this postseason. So what can the Wolves do
[1:29:35] Speaker 1: to get more looks near the hoop and not settle
[1:29:37] Speaker 1: for so many threes against the Thunder's AAU defense, as
[1:29:41] Speaker 1: Ant-Man described it? I would play Ant in the postseason.
[1:29:52] Speaker 4: Get the traditional double to help figure out how they're
[1:29:54] Speaker 4: going to scheme for that because there's only a few
[1:29:56] Speaker 4: ways you can. And if they do play it like
[1:29:58] Speaker 4: they play Joker, man, it's a little bit more athletic
[1:30:02] Speaker 4: to make plays at the rim.
[1:30:04] Speaker 1: Julius Randle is always going to be a.
[1:30:06] Speaker 4: Ball stopper, but he needs to be put in a
[1:30:08] Speaker 4: different position than that elbow. Maybe at the dirt position
[1:30:11] Speaker 4: at the free throw line where he can operate there
[1:30:14] Speaker 4: but not hold the ball. They try to get him
[1:30:15] Speaker 4: the ball there sometimes, but he takes too long.
[1:30:20] Speaker 1: Even Chinzo... To me, he has.
[1:30:24] Speaker 5: Kind of proven to be overrated in this trade.
[1:30:28] Speaker 4: He's not hitting the shots that was expected. He has spurts,
[1:30:33] Speaker 4: but he should be a knockdown, guaranteed bucket when he's open.
[1:30:38] Speaker 1: He's not delivering.
[1:30:40] Speaker 4: Nikhil doesn't have much expectation outside of just competing with
[1:30:45] Speaker 4: his cousin, and I think he's been doing that.
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: He hits shots, he hits shots. He don't, he don't.
[1:30:49] Speaker 4: There's not a big expectation outside of that. Nas Reed
[1:30:52] Speaker 4: is probably the biggest one that needs to step up.
[1:30:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, scoreless in the first three quarters.
[1:30:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:30:57] Speaker 5: Finish the game with four points. He gets the ball
[1:30:58] Speaker 5: on the post.
[1:30:59] Speaker 4: I think he needs to slow down a little bit,
[1:31:01] Speaker 4: wait for opportunities to score. But they try to exploit mismatches,
[1:31:07] Speaker 4: but they take too long trying to, like, establish their
[1:31:11] Speaker 4: position and just going, just catch and go. And I
[1:31:15] Speaker 4: think they'll see different responses from the OKC. Because they're just,
[1:31:20] Speaker 4: like you said, they're throwing AAU defenses at them. And
[1:31:23] Speaker 4: I told the homies, I was like, look, first quarter,
[1:31:25] Speaker 4: they're going to play like this.
[1:31:26] Speaker 1: Watch, they're going to change their defense all through the game.
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: So let's switch over to the side of the couch. Mr. B,
[1:31:34] Speaker 1: what do the Wolves need to do to get more
[1:31:36] Speaker 1: looks near the hoop? Stop settling for threes. Or do
[1:31:40] Speaker 1: they keep that same strategy and just hope that they
[1:31:42] Speaker 1: knock down more threes, 51 threes in the game?
[1:31:45] Speaker 5: I mean, you definitely got to hope you make more threes. 29%
[1:31:46] Speaker 5: from three, I believe. I don't think he was ready
[1:31:50] Speaker 5: for the different defenses that they were going to throw
[1:31:52] Speaker 5: at him. You can tell what he was saying. But,
[1:31:55] Speaker 5: I mean, making the right plays, I mean, if those
[1:31:58] Speaker 5: guys can knock down those shots, I mean, it's a
[1:31:59] Speaker 5: different game for sure. But, I mean, you know, OKC,
[1:32:03] Speaker 5: I mean, they're at home, man. It was game one.
[1:32:05] Speaker 5: They did what they were supposed to do. They came
[1:32:07] Speaker 5: out with way more energy. And, you know, they did
[1:32:10] Speaker 5: what they were supposed to do. But I don't know
[1:32:12] Speaker 5: if I would change too much. I mean, definitely put
[1:32:15] Speaker 5: Ann in better situations than Randolph, but I mean, those
[1:32:19] Speaker 5: shots are there, man. You got to take them to me.
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: How about some of your thoughts on what the Wolves
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: can do to activate their offense a little more? To
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: get in the lane? There's nothing they can do to
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: get in the lane more. There's only one dude who
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: actually can get there.
[1:32:35] Speaker 2: I mean, Randall can get there, but, you know, but
[1:32:37] Speaker 2: for the most part, was it Daniels, Nas Reed?
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: I mean, was Conley? Like, who are they going to,
[1:32:45] Speaker 1: Devin Chinzo? Who are they going to use?
[1:32:47] Speaker 2: To sit there and drive and manipulate the defense. So
[1:32:53] Speaker 2: expecting these guys to change their game overnight is, come on,
[1:32:59] Speaker 2: it just doesn't even make sense.
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: They might need to switch their lineup a little bit.
[1:33:06] Speaker 2: Because you literally have, like if we know what Ant-Man's doing. Now,
[1:33:11] Speaker 2: if Ant-Man is the ball handler in the half court
[1:33:16] Speaker 2: and he's doing.
[1:33:16] Speaker 1: The pick and roll and Initiating the offense. And what
[1:33:19] Speaker 1: is really Conley there for? Spot up shooting? Right. I mean,
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: he's not a defensive stopper.
[1:33:26] Speaker 2: You know, he's a little, you know, so is he
[1:33:28] Speaker 2: there to control the tempo when the like he's so
[1:33:33] Speaker 2: you can you can replace him.
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: You might put Devin Chinzo there.
[1:33:38] Speaker 2: Right. See if that helps where when I do this
[1:33:41] Speaker 2: pick and roll and you think about doubling me, I'm
[1:33:44] Speaker 2: passing the ball back to Devin Chinzo and see if
[1:33:46] Speaker 2: that helps his shooting.
[1:33:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:33:48] Speaker 2: And it releases me a little bit more. If not,
[1:33:52] Speaker 2: you go with Daniels at the two since he's going
[1:33:56] Speaker 2: to point anyway and then put Nas Reed in and
[1:33:59] Speaker 2: just go just go a lot bigger.
[1:34:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. But all that, I mean, at the end of
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: the day. Nas Reese shot, I mean, 11-3? He shot 11-3.
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: One for 11. I think he was over from three.
[1:34:07] Speaker 1: So it's you, Daniel.
[1:34:09] Speaker 2: So you got Daniel's a three-point shooter, spot up. You
[1:34:11] Speaker 2: got Nas Reese, three-point spot up guy.
[1:34:14] Speaker 1: And Randall. So you don't have any dead weight out there.
[1:34:17] Speaker 2: But right now, you have three guys on a team
[1:34:19] Speaker 2: that doesn't even think about shooting the ball.
[1:34:21] Speaker 1: That's not a good lineup because they only have one,
[1:34:25] Speaker 1: Blue Door.
[1:34:26] Speaker 2: He's the only guy in the starting lineup that's not
[1:34:28] Speaker 2: really there for shooting.
[1:34:30] Speaker 1: The other four, they're putting the ball up a little bit.
[1:34:32] Speaker 1: But Dort has the potential, though. No, I mean, he's
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: going to have the potential.
[1:34:36] Speaker 2: Conley's going to give you seven shots max if he's going.
[1:34:40] Speaker 1: He plays damn near perfect basketball, and you can do
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: that coming off the bench.
[1:34:46] Speaker 2: Changing the tempo up a little bit, trying to make
[1:34:49] Speaker 2: the game a little bit faster. But right now, you
[1:34:54] Speaker 2: have a lineup where You literally scored 88 points against
[1:34:59] Speaker 2: the Lakers. You scored 88 points against Golden State Warriors.
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:35:06] Speaker 2: I mean, this is we expected against this team because
[1:35:09] Speaker 2: they're the fucking number one defense.
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: Yeah. But the other two. Neither one of those two
[1:35:14] Speaker 1: teams you just mentioned have these hybrid defense.
[1:35:16] Speaker 2: So, you know, I mean, so the fact that you've
[1:35:19] Speaker 2: shown that it is you struggle from you struggle at
[1:35:23] Speaker 2: scoring sometimes and. I'm pretty sure there's going to be
[1:35:26] Speaker 2: another game in this series if it goes to seven
[1:35:28] Speaker 2: that they're going to score about 95 or lower. And
[1:35:33] Speaker 2: the other team, I mean, they had a horrible first half,
[1:35:38] Speaker 2: and they stayed in the game.
[1:35:41] Speaker 1: Horrible. And when they did catch fire, the game was over.
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: Plus 30 in the second half for the Thunder. I
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: think that's the bigger issue. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's—
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: Wills can't win this series putting up. No, they can't
[1:35:51] Speaker 1: win this series anyway. I don't give a fuck what
[1:35:53] Speaker 1: they put in there.
[1:35:54] Speaker 2: They can't win this series because if you speed the
[1:35:55] Speaker 2: game up, if you speed the game up, it benefits
[1:35:58] Speaker 2: OKC because they have more guys who can put the
[1:36:01] Speaker 2: ball in the basket than you do. It's a game
[1:36:06] Speaker 2: where you literally going to have to, it's a grind.
[1:36:08] Speaker 2: This is a straight Detroit 2004. I'm trying to keep
[1:36:14] Speaker 2: everybody under 90 points game.
[1:36:16] Speaker 1: That's going to have to be the mindset.
[1:36:18] Speaker 2: Well, it's just going to have to be just straight
[1:36:21] Speaker 2: lockdown defense because if you try to get into a
[1:36:25] Speaker 2: running game with the team, they have the advantage where
[1:36:28] Speaker 2: they have guys who can run.
[1:36:30] Speaker 1: You got Ant-Man. That's it.
[1:36:34] Speaker 5: So you think if they don't change their lineup, you
[1:36:35] Speaker 5: think it'd be over faster? Because you got to miss it.
[1:36:41] Speaker 2: They're going to catch. Listen, those guys are not going
[1:36:42] Speaker 2: to shoot this bad. But even if they shoot distance,
[1:36:45] Speaker 2: they still get their ass whooped. This is a game
[1:36:48] Speaker 2: where you're going to have to switch it.
[1:36:51] Speaker 1: This is.
[1:36:53] Speaker 2: There's just some... There's some series that you have to
[1:37:00] Speaker 2: change shit up. There's some series where a motherfucker have
[1:37:03] Speaker 2: to be a decoy.
[1:37:05] Speaker 1: Right? I mean, you know what I mean?
[1:37:07] Speaker 2: This might not be your series, Ant-Man. Because their best
[1:37:11] Speaker 2: defenders are in your position and they're loaded. This might
[1:37:14] Speaker 2: be Julius.
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: This might be his window.
[1:37:19] Speaker 2: He might have the advantage over Harkinstein and fucking Chet here.
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: Do you think he's looking at it like that? No.
[1:37:29] Speaker 2: No, but that's where it comes in with veterans that's
[1:37:31] Speaker 2: looking and you really have scouts that's looking. That's you
[1:37:34] Speaker 2: being mindful, watching the game, going back. Between now and then,
[1:37:39] Speaker 2: he should have watched this game four times. Watch it
[1:37:44] Speaker 2: four times.
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: Listen, no. I had a reality check my.
[1:37:48] Speaker 2: First playoff game where I was averaging about 30-something against
[1:37:51] Speaker 2: Chicago Bulls.
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: Struggle game one, struggle game two.
[1:37:56] Speaker 2: And Scottie Pippen told our trainer that, hey, if he
[1:37:59] Speaker 2: wants to win this series, he can't beat a score.
[1:38:02] Speaker 2: They loading up on him. They are taking him out.
[1:38:05] Speaker 2: So he's going to have to be a passer. So
[1:38:07] Speaker 2: I watched those two games all day just like, fuck,
[1:38:10] Speaker 2: every time I drive, here.
[1:38:11] Speaker 1: They come, here they come, here they come, here they come,
[1:38:13] Speaker 1: here they come. Had to be a decoy.
[1:38:17] Speaker 2: Showed him I'm willing to pass the ball. Because, I mean,
[1:38:22] Speaker 2: his contradiction is very different. He said, you know, I
[1:38:24] Speaker 2: need to get off the ball more. Then he also
[1:38:27] Speaker 2: said I got to shoot more. I can't only take
[1:38:30] Speaker 2: 13 shots, so I got to shoot more.
[1:38:31] Speaker 1: Then he said, I got to pass more. You're not
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: going to be able to do both, sir.
[1:38:35] Speaker 5: No, I think he meant finding scoring more off the ball.
[1:38:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what he means, but it's not reality.
[1:38:44] Speaker 2: Because what he's looking at, he's looking at his off
[1:38:45] Speaker 2: the ball guys getting all the shots. But they're getting
[1:38:49] Speaker 2: all the shots because everybody's doubling you.
[1:38:52] Speaker 1: Right. You can go over there all you want.
[1:38:54] Speaker 2: Motherfucker, we ain't leaving.
[1:38:58] Speaker 1: We just going to double your ass from here. Ain't
[1:39:01] Speaker 1: shit changing.
[1:39:04] Speaker 2: So you got to be smarter than the game plan. Motherfucker,
[1:39:08] Speaker 2: we got a book, right? You got the book. We
[1:39:11] Speaker 2: know everything your ass want to do. We done seen
[1:39:14] Speaker 2: every time you come off the left what you're going
[1:39:15] Speaker 2: to do. When you go left, we know you're going
[1:39:17] Speaker 2: to go this step first, right? You go this way,
[1:39:20] Speaker 2: we know you're going to come to this way. We
[1:39:22] Speaker 2: know everything your ass wants to do. There's new technology.
[1:39:27] Speaker 2: So you have to bring in a whole nother game.
[1:39:31] Speaker 1: That's different. There's no scouting report on you posting up
[1:39:34] Speaker 1: in the mid-posts. You don't know how to do that?
[1:39:36] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you do. Bring that into the game.
[1:39:39] Speaker 2: Hit the ass with that a couple, three, four times
[1:39:42] Speaker 2: down the lane and see what happens. Run off a
[1:39:44] Speaker 2: double screen down there.
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: Pass the ball. Cut through the lane. Pop out on
[1:39:49] Speaker 1: the baseline. Do some of that just naturally. You'll see
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: they won't have no scheme for it. We will see
[1:39:55] Speaker 1: how the Wolves adjust in game two to avoid going
[1:39:57] Speaker 1: down 0-2 in the series. They're not going to adjust.
[1:39:59] Speaker 1: They're just going to hit shots. But thanks to.
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[1:42:02] Speaker 5: I'm trying to cue you up.
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: So glow. Knicks and Pacers tip off the Eastern Conference
[1:42:10] Speaker 1: Finals with game one tonight, Madison Square Garden. New York
[1:42:13] Speaker 1: won the season series 2-1. but the teams have not
[1:42:15] Speaker 1: played since early February. The Knicks are back in the
[1:42:18] Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in 25 years,
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: and Jalen Brunson is a big reason why. Before Brunson
[1:42:24] Speaker 1: arrived in New York, the Knicks had eight total playoff
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: wins in the previous 20 years. But in Brunson's time
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: with the team, they have 21 wins in the past
[1:42:31] Speaker 1: three seasons. In 12 games this postseason, Brunson averaged 29 points,
[1:42:35] Speaker 1: eight assists, four rebounds on 44-36-82 splits, and has delivered
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: time and time again when his team needed him the most.
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: So Gil, during a recent playback watch party, You said
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson is one of the only players in the
[1:42:46] Speaker 1: league that actually has the Mamba mentality. So I need
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: to ask you, why does Jalen Brunson have the Mamba mentality?
[1:42:55] Speaker 2: The Mamba mentality, the real one, not the commercialized Mamba mentality,
[1:43:01] Speaker 2: where they hyper-focus in the last few minutes of the game,
[1:43:05] Speaker 2: where precision kicks in, where all details matter, where no
[1:43:12] Speaker 2: matter what happened What they were doing those first 43
[1:43:17] Speaker 2: minutes of the game is all irrelevant, right?
[1:43:21] Speaker 1: This is killer time.
[1:43:23] Speaker 2: And, you know, he's probably one of the only players
[1:43:28] Speaker 2: that I've seen in a long time.
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: Kyrie's shown a lot of it. Dame's shown a lot
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: of it.
[1:43:33] Speaker 2: But, you know, consistently game after game, series after series,
[1:43:37] Speaker 2: he seems like the only one that I've seen in
[1:43:39] Speaker 2: a long time that, That is the Mamba mentality, the
[1:43:43] Speaker 2: real definition of what the snake is.
[1:43:48] Speaker 5: I like it.
[1:43:50] Speaker 1: Honey, when you look at Jalen Brunson, would you say
[1:43:51] Speaker 1: that he's a player in the league that has the
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: Mamba mentality? Of course. I think everybody knows where I
[1:44:00] Speaker 1: stand with it all. You know?
[1:44:05] Speaker 4: I said he was going to be who he is
[1:44:07] Speaker 4: right now. Other people say he should go to Phoenix
[1:44:10] Speaker 4: and be a fourth option. That he wasn't the number
[1:44:13] Speaker 4: one option on the championship team.
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: Here we are.
[1:44:17] Speaker 4: Headed towards the championship. New York is now a culture, son.
[1:44:23] Speaker 4: It is what it is.
[1:44:24] Speaker 1: You know, B? You heard? I have heard. You heard?
[1:44:31] Speaker 1: You have heard. All right.
[1:44:32] Speaker 4: Everybody is hearing now. Cat is in the building now.
[1:44:37] Speaker 4: I told Jordan to give him some catnip before the
[1:44:39] Speaker 4: game so we could go crazy.
[1:44:45] Speaker 1: He got the New York accent down. You know what
[1:44:48] Speaker 1: I'm saying?
[1:44:49] Speaker 5: Rucker Park, bro.
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: So, Mr. B, obviously we talked a lot about Halliburton
[1:44:54] Speaker 1: versus Jalen Brunson, but would you look at Jalen Brunson,
[1:44:56] Speaker 1: what he's been able to do the past few seasons
[1:44:59] Speaker 1: with the Knicks?
[1:45:00] Speaker 5: No, he's been doing his thing. You know, last year
[1:45:03] Speaker 5: he got kicked out. You know, he got kicked out
[1:45:04] Speaker 5: by Indiana. This year I'm sure he has a lot
[1:45:07] Speaker 5: of revenge on him, so I'm sure he's going to
[1:45:09] Speaker 5: have that mama mentality that they've been saying. But, you know,
[1:45:12] Speaker 5: that's another guy on that other side of that floor too, man.
[1:45:15] Speaker 5: You know, that has a chip on his shoulder also. And,
[1:45:18] Speaker 5: you know, he has a lot to prove also too. So,
[1:45:21] Speaker 5: you know, and when he wants to kick into that
[1:45:23] Speaker 5: mode with five minutes to go and taking over games,
[1:45:25] Speaker 5: he can do that also. And he also has four
[1:45:28] Speaker 5: or five different guys in double figures in scoring.
[1:45:32] Speaker 1: So, obviously, hindsight 2020, but any chance Dallas ends up
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: regretting letting Brunson walk more than trading Lucas? I don't know.
[1:45:43] Speaker 5: Nah, I think it was for the best.
[1:45:44] Speaker 1: Yeah. Does Brunson end up being the same player he
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: is if he stays in Dallas? His game probably gets
[1:45:48] Speaker 1: timed and he gets to come to New York.
[1:45:50] Speaker 5: It was for the best for Brunson.
[1:45:54] Speaker 1: You know?
[1:45:54] Speaker 5: I mean, Dallas, they still got the number one pick.
[1:45:56] Speaker 5: They still got their pieces over there. But for Brunson,
[1:46:00] Speaker 5: I mean, I'm looking at it like, shit, it was
[1:46:01] Speaker 5: a blessing. I'm in New York, biggest market, Eastern Conference Finals. Like,
[1:46:06] Speaker 5: I got a chance to do something that hasn't been
[1:46:09] Speaker 5: done in New York for a long time.
[1:46:11] Speaker 1: Different. Agreed. Agreed.
[1:46:15] Speaker 5: You got blessed into the right situation. It's the ideal,
[1:46:19] Speaker 5: perfect thing.
[1:46:19] Speaker 1: They've cultivated this team around and brought some of his
[1:46:22] Speaker 1: Nova Knicks.
[1:46:23] Speaker 4: That's what an underdog situation, you know, it allows you
[1:46:27] Speaker 4: to present yourself an opportunity to, Mold something from the start.
[1:46:32] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[1:46:33] Speaker 4: I think New York needed somebody to come in and
[1:46:36] Speaker 4: help Julius Randle make it look like something. You know,
[1:46:40] Speaker 4: you had RJ and those guys up there trying to
[1:46:44] Speaker 4: do something in New York.
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: They were all young.
[1:46:46] Speaker 4: You bring Brunson in and you start getting some type
[1:46:49] Speaker 4: of structure. And I think it all comes from his dad,
[1:46:51] Speaker 4: to be honest. Who was on the Knicks coaching staff.
[1:46:53] Speaker 4: Shout out Rick Brunson.
[1:46:54] Speaker 1: He don't get enough credit.
[1:46:55] Speaker 4: I think he should get more credit of how he's
[1:46:58] Speaker 4: cultivated a leader in Jalen to understand it ain't about me,
[1:47:01] Speaker 4: it's about we. It's about we. It's we, not me.
[1:47:05] Speaker 4: And when it's we, not me, everybody eats. Because it's
[1:47:08] Speaker 4: New York, son. Everybody eats, B.
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: Like father, like son. Rick Brunson on the last Eastern
[1:47:15] Speaker 1: Conference final team in 2000.
[1:47:15] Speaker 2: Brunson be the shortest guard to win it since.
[1:47:21] Speaker 1: If they win a championship, since Isaiah Thomas.
[1:47:24] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: How old is he? In the last 50 years. 6'1, 6'2. Yeah, right. Oh,
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: as the main guard. Yes. As the number one option,
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: the last one was Isaiah Thomas. Wow.
[1:47:36] Speaker 2: I mean, Steph is 6'4, but if you're going to
[1:47:38] Speaker 2: use Steph, it's them three in the last 50-something years.
[1:47:42] Speaker 5: Okay.
[1:47:42] Speaker 1: So, Knicks bested Boston six games, but had to overcome
[1:47:46] Speaker 1: 20-point deficits game one and two. They bested who? Boston.
[1:47:50] Speaker 1: The Celtics? Yeah. The New York Knickerbockers in their previous series. Okay.
[1:47:57] Speaker 1: Overcame 20-point deficits in Game 1 and 2. Trailed by
[1:48:00] Speaker 1: as much as 14 points in five of the six
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: games in the series. Obviously, they spoke at length about
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: how they would like to avoid doing that. Obviously, loved
[1:48:08] Speaker 1: winning those games, but would not want to put themselves
[1:48:10] Speaker 1: in a position to have to come back from those deficits.
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: So what do the Knicks need to do to be
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: more consistent and avoid having to overcome big deficits in
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: this series?
[1:48:28] Speaker 5: Oh yeah Lakers in five what would the Knicks have to.
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: Do Lakers in five.
[1:48:32] Speaker 5: That's what they need to just think about that. Lakers
[1:48:34] Speaker 5: in five. We don't want to be like them. We
[1:48:38] Speaker 5: can get it right.
[1:48:39] Speaker 1: Lakers in five. No, no, no.
[1:48:42] Speaker 5: It ain't going to be that easy now. They got
[1:48:44] Speaker 5: Howley over there that can run the show. And, you know,
[1:48:47] Speaker 5: when they're making shots and they have, you know, four
[1:48:49] Speaker 5: or five guys and double figures in scoring, Indiana's dangerous.
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:48:54] Speaker 5: You know, your take on Siakam, you know, not taking
[1:48:57] Speaker 5: the next leap. But I think everything that he's done
[1:49:00] Speaker 5: for that team, And, you know, Indiana has been good,
[1:49:04] Speaker 5: you know, for them.
[1:49:05] Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the Pacers. I'm
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: just looking at this Knicks squad. Been great at times.
[1:49:10] Speaker 1: Been terrible at times. Terrible on the defensive side. Communication issues.
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: Not having a sense of urgency. Had to have a
[1:49:15] Speaker 1: team meeting after the Celtics smacked them in game five
[1:49:18] Speaker 1: to get their minds ready. We talked about that earlier
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: this week. I see you staring at me. No issue
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: with this Pacers squad. Defeated them last season. Obviously, it
[1:49:27] Speaker 1: was a different Knicks team. They didn't defeat the New
[1:49:30] Speaker 1: York Knicks. They defeated a bench squad last year. No O.G. Ananobi,
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: Brunson Hurt.
[1:49:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, they defeated a bench squad. So, all right, they
[1:49:37] Speaker 2: can go into this series thinking that this is the
[1:49:40] Speaker 2: New York team that they played last year when it's not.
[1:49:43] Speaker 2: They played against a bunch of 6th and 7th, 8th men.
[1:49:46] Speaker 2: There's a Mikael Bridges. There's a Cat.
[1:49:49] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's been playing like Kitty Cat, but,
[1:49:51] Speaker 1: you know. Cat and Mousetrainer.
[1:49:52] Speaker 2: Hopefully he comes in as Tony the Tiger because this
[1:49:55] Speaker 2: could be his series.
[1:49:56] Speaker 1: But it's not the same team. Right.
[1:50:00] Speaker 2: So they could get they could and should get the
[1:50:06] Speaker 2: ass smacked.
[1:50:10] Speaker 1: Out the building. So do you feel like Gilcat is
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: the X factor in the series? You said this could
[1:50:17] Speaker 1: be his series. Why do you feel that way?
[1:50:20] Speaker 2: Because he's playing against a guy that's kind of like him,
[1:50:23] Speaker 2: but not very physical.
[1:50:24] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:50:25] Speaker 2: You know, so it plays to how he plays the game.
[1:50:29] Speaker 2: um he's i mean listen as long as he gives
[1:50:32] Speaker 2: he's going to give you the 2019 to 23 and
[1:50:36] Speaker 2: 10 he's not the x the x factor is that
[1:50:39] Speaker 2: og do.
[1:50:41] Speaker 1: Og is the x.
[1:50:42] Speaker 2: Factor here because he was horrible in the last series
[1:50:47] Speaker 2: i mean it was a game where i think he
[1:50:48] Speaker 2: had two four he had a two game he had
[1:50:52] Speaker 2: a four game he had a five game i think
[1:50:55] Speaker 2: in the last series and they beat The Boston Celtics.
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:50:59] Speaker 2: So if he just is consistent across the board, if
[1:51:04] Speaker 2: he just averages, just average 15, this is a different series.
[1:51:09] Speaker 1: So five in game two, two in game three. Five
[1:51:12] Speaker 1: points in game two, two points in game three, six
[1:51:15] Speaker 1: points in game five. Yeah, yeah.
[1:51:17] Speaker 2: See, he can't have those games. He can't have that now.
[1:51:19] Speaker 2: We don't need, we need consistent. Right? The Nova Knicks,
[1:51:24] Speaker 2: they consistent at what they do. So them three, we good. Cat,
[1:51:28] Speaker 2: If you bring what you bring, that's good. OG, if
[1:51:32] Speaker 2: OG brings this, just 15 to 17 guaranteed, this.
[1:51:37] Speaker 1: Series is over. That's going to be tough against Siakam.
[1:51:40] Speaker 1: Siakam can't stick everybody.
[1:51:41] Speaker 5: Well, I mean, he'll be guarding him, right? And then
[1:51:47] Speaker 5: Cat and Miles Turner, they exit each other out.
[1:51:50] Speaker 2: They might put Siakam on Cat. They wear it over
[1:51:52] Speaker 2: there in Indiana.
[1:51:55] Speaker 1: I know where your leanest is lying in this particular series,
[1:51:57] Speaker 1: but who's the X Factor for the Knicks in this series? Oh, no,
[1:52:01] Speaker 1: ask who the.
[1:52:01] Speaker 2: X Factor is. Who's going to help the X Factor
[1:52:04] Speaker 2: over there with the Indianas?
[1:52:05] Speaker 1: Oh, Siakam.
[1:52:06] Speaker 5: For sure.
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's not the question. Wow. What was the question?
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: Who's the X Factor for the New York Knickerbockers?
[1:52:13] Speaker 5: Damn, they hate the Knicks that bad. They don't even
[1:52:15] Speaker 5: want to talk on the Knicks.
[1:52:17] Speaker 1: He's Indiana.
[1:52:18] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:52:18] Speaker 1: So I said tell him to talk about his team.
[1:52:20] Speaker 1: So the X Factor is the number one option. Or
[1:52:24] Speaker 1: the second number, second? Number two option.
[1:52:27] Speaker 2: So you don't, so the number two option, so you
[1:52:31] Speaker 2: don't even rely him just to be the number two option?
[1:52:35] Speaker 5: Yeah, he's number two, and then Miles Turner and Cat,
[1:52:37] Speaker 5: they exit each other out, so that's, that's whatever, I mean, yeah.
[1:52:41] Speaker 1: And then. They just exit each other out, just. Yeah,
[1:52:44] Speaker 1: they're the same.
[1:52:44] Speaker 2: Just average 24 and just watch that.
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: Shit, hun. He won't do it this year. Just watch that, hun. 12,
[1:52:53] Speaker 1: just watch it out, just 24.
[1:52:54] Speaker 5: Listen, they're going to be the same in this series.
[1:52:58] Speaker 1: Let's move over to Sonny. Hey, how tall is Curry?
[1:53:01] Speaker 1: How tall is Curry?
[1:53:01] Speaker 4: 6'3.
[1:53:02] Speaker 1: 6'3?
[1:53:02] Speaker 2: 6'3 1⁄2.
[1:53:02] Speaker 5: Shoes?
[1:53:03] Speaker 1: Shoes. Yeah, why? They think he's 6'1, because he's skinny. Who, Steph? Yeah.
[1:53:14] Speaker 5: I mean, Steph is like 6'3. What the fuck?
[1:53:18] Speaker 1: Who said that? I don't know. I think he's a little...
[1:53:22] Speaker 1: He's skinny. He's not... You stood next to him. I
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: was standing next to him. You stood next to him
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: and you said that he was much taller than I
[1:53:32] Speaker 1: thought he was. Sonny properly moisturized the curl. Who's the
[1:53:38] Speaker 1: X Factor in this series for the Knicks?
[1:53:42] Speaker 5: Josh Hart.
[1:53:44] Speaker 1: Josh Hart. Josh is the heart of the Knicks.
[1:53:50] Speaker 4: So when Josh shows up to do more than the
[1:53:54] Speaker 4: bare minimum, the Knicks, they go, they steamroll, they play
[1:53:58] Speaker 4: at a certain level of urgency that, you know, Josh
[1:54:03] Speaker 4: resonates throughout the whole. Like if you're not doing what
[1:54:06] Speaker 4: Josh is doing, it's almost like get off the court
[1:54:09] Speaker 4: type shit.
[1:54:09] Speaker 1: He ain't got to say nothing. I like that energy.
[1:54:11] Speaker 4: And I think Brunson feeds off of that because he
[1:54:14] Speaker 4: knows that that's Josh telling him to pick it up.
[1:54:17] Speaker 1: And I think when.
[1:54:17] Speaker 4: That happens, Bridges sees this as, all right, I'll take
[1:54:24] Speaker 4: the challenge too. So they start hitting shots. They start
[1:54:27] Speaker 4: hustling harder. And then you got Mitchell Robinson. You know,
[1:54:31] Speaker 4: he goes out there. He can be another X factor
[1:54:34] Speaker 4: that can get you a double-double out of nowhere, get
[1:54:37] Speaker 4: you three blocks.
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: He hustles.
[1:54:39] Speaker 4: Between those two, I'm looking for those guys to show up.
[1:54:42] Speaker 1: It ain't too much now at this point. You're here.
[1:54:44] Speaker 5: Might as well win. It's in New York. We are
[1:54:47] Speaker 5: New York. It's why not? Why not? I got that
[1:54:53] Speaker 5: boy coming in town.
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: Telling y'all. Part two. Let's shift over to the Pacers
[1:55:02] Speaker 1: side of this preview. Pacers head to Eastern Conference Finals
[1:55:05] Speaker 1: for the second straight season. Last season they got swept
[1:55:08] Speaker 1: by the Celtics. They posted gentleman sweeps against the Bucs
[1:55:10] Speaker 1: and top-seeded Cavs this postseason. Both of those squads were
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: dealing with injuries to key players. Tyrese Halliburton been trying
[1:55:17] Speaker 1: to send a message after getting named the league's most
[1:55:19] Speaker 1: overrated player. Ten games this postseason, Hallie's averaging 18 points,
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: 9 assists, 6 rebounds, 48-34-79 shooting splits. Enters the conference
[1:55:28] Speaker 1: finals coming off arguably his best game this postseason, where
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: he dropped 31 points, 8 assists, and 6 rebounds to
[1:55:33] Speaker 1: eliminate the Cavs in Game 5. So Mr. B, Which
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: version of Tyrese Halliburton do the Pacers need to be
[1:55:38] Speaker 1: successful in the Eastern Conference Finals? What's the sign say?
[1:55:43] Speaker 1: Hostile territory. Hostile territory.
[1:55:45] Speaker 5: That's the approach that he needs. Very hostile? Yeah, the
[1:55:49] Speaker 5: whole series. I mean, they doubted you. They said you
[1:55:51] Speaker 5: was the worst, most overrated player. They kicked your dad out.
[1:55:55] Speaker 5: They don't like you. You look like you're a stand-up guy.
[1:55:59] Speaker 5: You get your teammates involved. You play the point guard
[1:56:03] Speaker 5: position like a pure point guard that I haven't seen
[1:56:06] Speaker 5: in a minute. At the end of the day, it's
[1:56:10] Speaker 5: an exciting time, though, like I said before, for each
[1:56:13] Speaker 5: of these teams, for each of these young superstars because
[1:56:16] Speaker 5: somebody's about to hold up that crown for the first time.
[1:56:19] Speaker 1: I need you two gentlemen to remove your Knicks bias
[1:56:22] Speaker 1: for just a moment. Yeah, come on, man. For just
[1:56:24] Speaker 1: a moment.
[1:56:26] Speaker 5: And Rick Carl Lars, shout out to him.
[1:56:27] Speaker 1: Shout out to Jim Carrey. Which version of Tyrese Halliburton
[1:56:31] Speaker 1: do the Pacers need to be successful in the Eastern
[1:56:33] Speaker 1: Conference Final? We got the scoring Hallie, we got the
[1:56:35] Speaker 1: facilitating Hallie. Sometimes they come together. I'm just going to
[1:56:40] Speaker 1: go with statistics. And statistics is playing against Hallie. And
[1:56:46] Speaker 1: the statistics are because he averages a lot of assists
[1:56:54] Speaker 1: and he's the.
[1:56:57] Speaker 2: Point guard on the team, it would be hard for
[1:57:00] Speaker 2: them to win a championship because that means there's not
[1:57:03] Speaker 2: a go-to guy on the team. Um, because if there's
[1:57:07] Speaker 2: a go-to guy on a team, that guy has the
[1:57:10] Speaker 2: ball majority of the time. So it would be hard
[1:57:12] Speaker 2: for Hallie to be Hallie. So the fact that he
[1:57:15] Speaker 2: is the best player and he's the, the point guard
[1:57:18] Speaker 2: and he's averaging about nine assists, you know, in history,
[1:57:22] Speaker 2: history has shown that that is actually.
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: Hard to do.
[1:57:25] Speaker 2: Um, Kyle Lowry, average, you know, 8.7 assists, I think.
[1:57:30] Speaker 2: He was a second or third option, whatever you want
[1:57:32] Speaker 2: to call him. Um, Jason Kidd, second option to, um, Dirk.
[1:57:43] Speaker 2: And after that, you're talking about going all the way
[1:57:47] Speaker 2: back to Magic Johnson. Um, You know, so the fact
[1:57:51] Speaker 2: that if your point guard is averaging 9, 10 assists,
[1:57:54] Speaker 2: that means your fucking team is not that good individually.
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: So he's going to average, have to average about 26, 27,
[1:58:05] Speaker 1: and 7. All right, one.
[1:58:10] Speaker 2: He starts getting into that 10, 11, 12 assist games,
[1:58:13] Speaker 2: that means the people around him are just sitting there
[1:58:17] Speaker 2: like atmosphere waiting to be fed.
[1:58:20] Speaker 1: So Pacers has seven players average double figures during the
[1:58:23] Speaker 1: regular season, but you're saying that needs to shift. They
[1:58:25] Speaker 1: can't distribute the ball around that and get it balanced.
[1:58:27] Speaker 1: History says it needs to shift, not me. The average
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: point guard, the average assist for a point guard that
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: won a championship, average since, if you take Magic out
[1:58:39] Speaker 1: and then go last 30-something years, shit, last 40 years,
[1:58:44] Speaker 1: you're talking about an average of about 4.1 assists a game.
[1:58:48] Speaker 5: So that can't change?
[1:58:49] Speaker 1: It could change.
[1:58:50] Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is no lead point guard that
[1:58:53] Speaker 2: averaged that many assists has won a championship.
[1:58:55] Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry is.
[1:58:57] Speaker 2: The one who has the most assists in regular season.
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: That won the chip. Then from there, it was like
[1:59:06] Speaker 1: the Admiral, so what's his name?
[1:59:08] Speaker 5: So what does Luka average?
[1:59:10] Speaker 2: Huh?
[1:59:11] Speaker 1: Avery Johnson.
[1:59:11] Speaker 2: So Avery Johnson, so Avery Johnson, kid when he went
[1:59:18] Speaker 2: to Dallas the second time.
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: So what does Luka average?
[1:59:21] Speaker 2: Huh?
[1:59:22] Speaker 5: I said, what does Luka average in assists?
[1:59:25] Speaker 1: He's averaging nine. He didn't win the championship, so. He
[1:59:28] Speaker 1: did not. Yeah.
[1:59:29] Speaker 5: Did Holly make it to the conference finals last year?
[1:59:32] Speaker 1: He did make it to the Eastern Conference finals with
[1:59:34] Speaker 1: his Pacers squad. He averaged like 26. Let me see.
[1:59:41] Speaker 1: I do not think so.
[1:59:45] Speaker 5: Let me pull it up.
[1:59:47] Speaker 4: I don't see why we would have to change anything
[1:59:49] Speaker 4: that we've done to get here successfully two years in
[1:59:52] Speaker 4: a row. Now we're the healthy group. I think we
[1:59:56] Speaker 4: just need energy. You know what kind of energy we need?
[2:00:00] Speaker 4: 18-9 and 4 in the Eastern Conference. We need Bucs energy.
[2:00:05] Speaker 4: We need Bucs energy. That's what Brandon didn't say. Brandon's
[2:00:09] Speaker 4: supposed to tell Holly, you're supposed to play like you
[2:00:11] Speaker 4: played against us.
[2:00:12] Speaker 1: So we have the same team? Two games in the
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: Eastern Conference. Woo! I don't know if Lane and Holly
[2:00:18] Speaker 1: need to do nothing but just say, yeah, it's the Bucs.
[2:00:21] Speaker 1: Dame and them.
[2:00:23] Speaker 5: I'm going to give y'all that energy because we know
[2:00:25] Speaker 5: where that energy takes us.
[2:00:28] Speaker 1: That's all you need to do. Water boy.
[2:00:31] Speaker 5: Against the hurt Bucs? Water boy. Think about water boy.
[2:00:34] Speaker 5: You know, water boy. Water sucks. Think about the Bucs.
[2:00:40] Speaker 1: Water sucks.
[2:00:41] Speaker 5: But New York a different team though than the Bucs.
[2:00:46] Speaker 4: Yeah, no, just motivation. We just talking about motivation for Holly.
[2:00:49] Speaker 4: He already took down a couple dudes. Just look at
[2:00:51] Speaker 4: him like them. You got energy for them. Remember your pops?
[2:00:54] Speaker 4: He was on there like this. Remember how y'all was
[2:00:57] Speaker 4: calling me over radio? Y'all was talking all that shit
[2:00:58] Speaker 4: to me. Yeah, we got that same energy. Well, let's
[2:01:03] Speaker 4: talk a little bit about Pascal Siakam. First or second option,
[2:01:06] Speaker 4: depending on how you view it. Led the Pacers in
[2:01:09] Speaker 4: scoring a regular season, 20 points per game. Like I said,
[2:01:12] Speaker 4: something like their number one option.
[2:01:13] Speaker 1: Up for debate. So far in this playoffs, Siakam averaging
[2:01:16] Speaker 1: 19.6 rebounds, three assists, shooting 55% from the field, 44%
[2:01:20] Speaker 1: from three. But Gil, you said that's not enough. He
[2:01:24] Speaker 1: needs to take over being a dominant.
[2:01:26] Speaker 2: One of them has to be dominant because, I mean,
[2:01:28] Speaker 2: you got fucking third options.
[2:01:30] Speaker 1: Averaging 20 points a game. Or damn near close. So,
[2:01:33] Speaker 1: I mean, you're playing again.
[2:01:37] Speaker 5: But we got seven different guys that's double figures in scoring.
[2:01:40] Speaker 5: So that means it's like the ball.
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: But that just happened to Wolves. Wolves thought that same shit.
[2:01:47] Speaker 2: That means your fifth and sixth and seventh option is
[2:01:49] Speaker 2: taking 15, 16 shots.
[2:01:51] Speaker 1: That's your chance of winning? No. No. So I can,
[2:01:56] Speaker 1: let's try it like this.
[2:01:57] Speaker 2: If Brunson took 13 shots and Josh Hart took.
[2:02:01] Speaker 1: 15, do you think they won that game?
[2:02:05] Speaker 5: I mean, it depends on, I mean, yeah. I mean,
[2:02:07] Speaker 5: but shit, but Brunson's going to get to the free
[2:02:08] Speaker 5: throw line, so.
[2:02:09] Speaker 1: And Josh is going to have a triple-double. I'm just saying.
[2:02:11] Speaker 1: So Pacers got five players averaging more than 10 field
[2:02:13] Speaker 1: goal attempts per game.
[2:02:14] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[2:02:14] Speaker 1: Yacoum leaves them at 13.9. I mean, the ball is.
[2:02:16] Speaker 5: 14.
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: Hallie at 13.3.
[2:02:16] Speaker 5: Team game.
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: Miles Carter at 11. Please don't change. Please don't change.
[2:02:22] Speaker 5: I mean, I just feel like highly at the last
[2:02:24] Speaker 5: five minutes, he's going to end up taking over the game.
[2:02:26] Speaker 5: But I just like the fact that it's, I mean, dude,
[2:02:30] Speaker 5: they'd be seven dudes in double-figure scoring.
[2:02:31] Speaker 1: How are you going to beat? I mean. That sounds.
[2:02:34] Speaker 1: I mean, that means. Basketball. Sounds cool. I go with history, man.
[2:02:37] Speaker 1: I don't go with my opinion. I go with the history.
[2:02:39] Speaker 2: History tells you what's. History is saying OKC is winning
[2:02:42] Speaker 2: the championship. If OKC is winning the championship, history is
[2:02:47] Speaker 2: saying it.
[2:02:48] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So, are you saying that, basically, back to
[2:02:51] Speaker 1: these Pacers, that Halle and Siakam need to basically just
[2:02:54] Speaker 1: take over, one of the two of them? One of them,
[2:02:56] Speaker 1: or both of them, both need to dominate.
[2:03:00] Speaker 2: If I'm relying on my third or fourth option to
[2:03:03] Speaker 2: be me, I mean, that's what we're talking about. You know,
[2:03:08] Speaker 2: you go back to Shaq and Kobe. I'm expecting Rick
[2:03:11] Speaker 2: Fox to average 14 for us to win.
[2:03:14] Speaker 1: No, we have to be dominant for them to be open. So,
[2:03:16] Speaker 1: you can, listen.
[2:03:18] Speaker 2: If it's working for you up to this far, keep
[2:03:20] Speaker 2: doing what you're doing. But I can tell you what
[2:03:22] Speaker 2: history is saying. History is saying that this is an
[2:03:26] Speaker 2: OKC championship. If Knicks make it to the championship and
[2:03:31] Speaker 2: Wolves make it, Knicks is making it to the winning championship.
[2:03:36] Speaker 1: Holly has a damn near 0% chance of winning.
[2:03:39] Speaker 2: He'll be the first person in history to be the
[2:03:41] Speaker 2: best player and average that many assists and win a chip.
[2:03:45] Speaker 2: History is not on his side the way he plays
[2:03:47] Speaker 2: the game. Because it shows no one is dominating individually
[2:03:51] Speaker 2: that's putting the team in danger.
[2:03:53] Speaker 1: That's what history is saying.
[2:03:55] Speaker 4: What are his stats through the games of the last series?
[2:03:58] Speaker 1: Okay.
[2:03:59] Speaker 4: And there was nobody dominant on the Pistons when they
[2:04:02] Speaker 4: won the championship.
[2:04:06] Speaker 5: The Pistons?
[2:04:06] Speaker 1: Rip? Nobody dominant. Rip was the number one. Nobody dominant.
[2:04:10] Speaker 1: So versus the Cavs and the Eastern Semis, he averaged
[2:04:13] Speaker 1: 17.7 assists, five rebounds. You know what I'm saying? Give
[2:04:15] Speaker 1: me the four games. What was his points? So game one,
[2:04:21] Speaker 1: 22 and 13 assists.
[2:04:23] Speaker 5: 21?
[2:04:24] Speaker 1: 22 and 13 assists. Game two, 19, four assists. Game three,
[2:04:29] Speaker 1: four points, five assists. Game four, 11, five and five.
[2:04:32] Speaker 1: And then in game five, he had 31.6 rebounds, eight assists.
[2:04:35] Speaker 5: And they ended up winning 4-1? They won 4-1.
[2:04:38] Speaker 1: And how many games did he have less than 15 points?
[2:04:41] Speaker 1: Two of those games. Two of those games. He don't
[2:04:44] Speaker 1: have to do all that shit to get a W.
[2:04:48] Speaker 1: He know that.
[2:04:50] Speaker 4: Because he got his guys playing well. And if I
[2:04:53] Speaker 4: need to show out, step out, step on you, I will.
[2:04:56] Speaker 4: And I'll show you that.
[2:04:58] Speaker 1: It's good. But he's going up against the Knicks. Yeah.
[2:05:03] Speaker 1: I have heard.
[2:05:04] Speaker 5: Different beast.
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: All right, let's go. Series predictions. Mr. B, we'll start
[2:05:07] Speaker 1: with you. Who wins the Eastern Conference Finals in how
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: many games? Pacers in seven. Pacers in seven. Wow.
[2:05:18] Speaker 5: Let's move over.
[2:05:19] Speaker 2: I want to say Nixon four, but I'm going to
[2:05:22] Speaker 2: be reasonable and say Nixon. I'm going to say six,
[2:05:32] Speaker 2: but it's going to be five.
[2:05:35] Speaker 1: I'm saying six, but it's going to be five. But
[2:05:37] Speaker 1: it's going to be five. Okay. Let's move over to Sonny.
[2:05:43] Speaker 1: I'm broke, baby. I'm broke, baby. Knicks in six. Knicks
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: in six. Oh, Lakers in five. We are no longer
[2:05:55] Speaker 1: talking about the Lakers.
[2:05:57] Speaker 9: They're still playing, right? Volleyball in Cancun. Lakers in five.
[2:06:04] Speaker 9: Talks on Tuesday. Are the Lakers going to come to
[2:06:08] Speaker 9: New York? Are the Lakers going to come to New York?
[2:06:11] Speaker 1: For what? For the game. No, we smoked Celtics packs. No.
[2:06:15] Speaker 1: You guys are on your own now.
[2:06:16] Speaker 6: Oh, shit.
[2:06:17] Speaker 1: We smoked the Celtics packs. Our job is done. We've
[2:06:20] Speaker 1: done all that we can. That's great. We've done all
[2:06:22] Speaker 1: that we can. That's great. We've got one last thing
[2:06:24] Speaker 1: to talk about before we get to mostly fans. WNBA
[2:06:27] Speaker 1: season tipped off last weekend, featured a matchup between last
[2:06:30] Speaker 1: season's rookie of the year, Kalen Clark, and all-star Angel Reese.
[2:06:33] Speaker 1: According to ESPN, the two games that ran on their network,
[2:06:37] Speaker 1: the Sky Fever and Aces Liberty, were the most watched
[2:06:39] Speaker 1: opening weekend ever on their platforms, with the Sky Fever
[2:06:43] Speaker 1: taking the crown. On what platform? ESPN. Oh. I'm sorry.
[2:06:48] Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is two years ago. I'm thinking it's
[2:06:50] Speaker 1: two years ago. You said you did say ESPN. I
[2:06:54] Speaker 1: did say. I just, I heard tube.
[2:06:55] Speaker 5: Okay.
[2:06:57] Speaker 1: Go.
[2:06:57] Speaker 5: All right.
[2:06:57] Speaker 1: Well, according to ESPN, the Sky Fever was the most
[2:07:01] Speaker 1: watched WNB game ever on their platforms, including regular season
[2:07:05] Speaker 1: and postseason games. Game drew 2.7 million average viewers, peaking
[2:07:09] Speaker 1: at 3.1 million viewers, up 115% versus last year's ABC
[2:07:14] Speaker 1: regular season coverage. But the game wasn't without controversy, obviously,
[2:07:18] Speaker 1: after Clark's frequent foul on Reese led to a scuffle
[2:07:21] Speaker 1: with Reese and Aaliyah Boston getting texts and reports of
[2:07:23] Speaker 1: racial slurs being directed at Reese from the fever crowd.
[2:07:26] Speaker 1: But one thing we do know, whenever these two players
[2:07:28] Speaker 1: match up, people are going to watch it. So are
[2:07:31] Speaker 1: we witnessing what will become the biggest rivalry in WNBA
[2:07:34] Speaker 1: history in real time? I know y'all say it's not
[2:07:36] Speaker 1: a rivalry, but it has been crafted as such, even
[2:07:39] Speaker 1: though they don't play the same position, when their teams
[2:07:41] Speaker 1: meet up. Crafted to be one of the biggest? I mean.
[2:07:47] Speaker 1: Are we seeing it in real time?
[2:07:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:07:49] Speaker 1: By Reverse Magic? Yeah, for WNBA? For the, yeah. Yeah.
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: For the W, is that so?
[2:07:55] Speaker 2: I know, I know it was Super, Taurasi was kind
[2:07:57] Speaker 2: of one, but, you know. I mean, because they was,
[2:08:01] Speaker 2: you know, winning and playing against each other, but you know, this,
[2:08:04] Speaker 2: I mean, this rivalry has been started from before we
[2:08:08] Speaker 2: knew who these girls were. Middle, junior high, ninth grade,
[2:08:12] Speaker 2: Olympic teams, you know, it started way back there and
[2:08:17] Speaker 2: then fell into college and You know, it then carried
[2:08:20] Speaker 2: over to here. So I think for the game itself,
[2:08:26] Speaker 2: what more can you ask for? I mean, you can
[2:08:32] Speaker 2: complain and cry and do whatever you want to.
[2:08:34] Speaker 1: Say, but right now we're all watching.
[2:08:37] Speaker 2: We're all reacting to it, and no one's disappointed.
[2:08:43] Speaker 1: A lot of tension, though, but, yeah.
[2:08:47] Speaker 5: No, I like it. I like it because of the
[2:08:48] Speaker 5: history of it. You know, since high school, they've been
[2:08:52] Speaker 5: going at it. So the history of it, the stories
[2:08:54] Speaker 5: behind it since college, both of them being successful, you know,
[2:09:00] Speaker 5: coming to the WNBA, helping the game grow, you know,
[2:09:03] Speaker 5: especially right now where the social media is and everything
[2:09:06] Speaker 5: is right now in the world. You know, it's definitely
[2:09:09] Speaker 5: a good look for the WNBA. And I can't wait
[2:09:11] Speaker 5: to see it for years, for years and years to
[2:09:14] Speaker 5: go on. I mean, you got Juju coming, you got...
[2:09:16] Speaker 5: Hannah Adelgo, you got Olivia Miles, you got all these
[2:09:19] Speaker 5: different women coming up in the WNBA. So, yeah, this
[2:09:22] Speaker 5: is just the start of it. It's the start of
[2:09:24] Speaker 5: something new and something dope.
[2:09:28] Speaker 1: Sean Moody, over to you. Or Winston will become the
[2:09:32] Speaker 1: biggest rivalry in WNBA history in real time.
[2:09:35] Speaker 4: I just can't agree. I don't think it's one-sided. I
[2:09:38] Speaker 4: don't think Kaitlyn thinks of it as a rivalry at all.
[2:09:42] Speaker 4: I think she just comes to the hoop. And she
[2:09:44] Speaker 4: knows that she's got a competitor coming to hoop against her.
[2:09:47] Speaker 4: And she wants to beat her every time she plays
[2:09:49] Speaker 4: against her. I think that it's nothing personal with Kaylin.
[2:09:54] Speaker 4: I think that she loves to go out there and
[2:09:58] Speaker 4: try to win. And, you know, she got beat up
[2:10:00] Speaker 4: all last year. She didn't complain.
[2:10:02] Speaker 1: She got up. She kept going.
[2:10:04] Speaker 4: I think Angel feels like she has to prove something,
[2:10:08] Speaker 4: but she don't. She's already established. She's already dominant. She
[2:10:12] Speaker 4: has her position. She has her role. She can dominate
[2:10:16] Speaker 4: in that role. She's proven that. So I think that
[2:10:19] Speaker 4: forcing a rivalry would be a bit much, but I
[2:10:21] Speaker 4: think when they both hit the court, they both know
[2:10:24] Speaker 4: that they're going to bring it. And I think it's
[2:10:26] Speaker 4: been oversaturated with this thing about picking sides, racing, all that.
[2:10:31] Speaker 4: I think they're just two competitive hoopers that, really are
[2:10:37] Speaker 4: like one of them might not like the other one.
[2:10:39] Speaker 4: The other one might not think the other one is whatever,
[2:10:42] Speaker 4: but they both got respect for each other in their games.
[2:10:45] Speaker 4: And I respect that part and it's entertainment. And I
[2:10:49] Speaker 4: think everybody can get sensitive, you know, like people out
[2:10:53] Speaker 4: there trying to fight each other over the damn foul. And, uh,
[2:10:57] Speaker 4: it's funny, but I think it's all good for the
[2:11:01] Speaker 4: WNBA as far as competitively, um, And if everybody on
[2:11:05] Speaker 4: the outside want to take it a step further and
[2:11:07] Speaker 4: all that, that's on them. But I think between Kaitlyn
[2:11:10] Speaker 4: and her, it's not really a rivalry. It's just, let's
[2:11:14] Speaker 4: go out here and let's hoop. That was to bring
[2:11:17] Speaker 4: to my next question.
[2:11:17] Speaker 1: Is the medium fans pitting Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese
[2:11:20] Speaker 1: against each other? Good or bad for the growth of
[2:11:22] Speaker 1: the WNBA? I think the numbers show. Amazing. People want
[2:11:26] Speaker 1: to watch. You want controversy. I mean, this is since college, right?
[2:11:29] Speaker 1: When she did the thing in her face. This has been...
[2:11:34] Speaker 1: Good views for them.
[2:11:35] Speaker 2: No, I mean, listen, if you go, if you just
[2:11:37] Speaker 2: track the history back, I mean, you know, you can see,
[2:11:40] Speaker 2: you know, as a number two player in the country,
[2:11:42] Speaker 2: which was Angel Reese, and she wasn't put onto some
[2:11:45] Speaker 2: of those Olympic teams.
[2:11:47] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know, it could have
[2:11:48] Speaker 1: started there. We don't know. You know what I mean?
[2:11:50] Speaker 2: Like, but you can see at all, the top five,
[2:11:53] Speaker 2: the number two player was never put on the team.
[2:11:58] Speaker 2: It was, it was basically, it was other way around.
[2:12:01] Speaker 2: It was, um, pages, you know, she was the, the
[2:12:06] Speaker 2: love child of, you know, that age group growing up
[2:12:09] Speaker 2: until she got hurt.
[2:12:10] Speaker 1: So right now they have a rivalry. They didn't have one.
[2:12:16] Speaker 2: If they did two years ago, we didn't know about it, right?
[2:12:22] Speaker 2: The NBA had, you know, Magic and Bird.
[2:12:27] Speaker 1: Follow the blueprint.
[2:12:29] Speaker 2: If white America want to push her up, let them. Shit,
[2:12:34] Speaker 2: black America want to push her up?
[2:12:36] Speaker 1: Let them. You motherfuckers want.
[2:12:38] Speaker 2: To sit at the games and half and half fans?
[2:12:41] Speaker 1: It's going to get everybody.
[2:12:43] Speaker 2: If I can go to one of the football arenas
[2:12:46] Speaker 2: and sell half to the blacks, half to.
[2:12:48] Speaker 1: The whites, if you're going to pay, I'm going to
[2:12:49] Speaker 1: charge you. God damn it.
[2:12:51] Speaker 2: If you want white only, God damn water and black
[2:12:54] Speaker 2: only water. This is America, God damn it. We're pretending
[2:12:59] Speaker 2: like this is not a real thing, but we're sitting
[2:13:00] Speaker 2: there arguing.
[2:13:02] Speaker 1: Me, I'm playing to both fucking sides. White jerseys for one,
[2:13:07] Speaker 1: black jerseys for the other.
[2:13:08] Speaker 2: If that's what you motherfuckers want to do to make
[2:13:10] Speaker 2: yourselves feel better, then go.
[2:13:13] Speaker 1: But it is still basketball. And however you want to.
[2:13:16] Speaker 2: Perceive the game, it's your way to perceive it. But
[2:13:19] Speaker 2: it's two girls playing great because the only thing y'all
[2:13:21] Speaker 2: not talking about is actually the basketball part of it.
[2:13:25] Speaker 1: Right? If one hits one, the other one hits, who
[2:13:27] Speaker 1: the fuck She got 30. She got 20 and 20.
[2:13:32] Speaker 2: It's still the game of basketball, and that is what
[2:13:35] Speaker 2: comes first for them, too. What everybody does after, that's
[2:13:39] Speaker 2: y'all on how y'all want to.
[2:13:40] Speaker 1: Sell this product.
[2:13:41] Speaker 2: But the girls are bringing the product on how they
[2:13:43] Speaker 2: bring it. Caitlyn's doing what Caitlyn's doing. Angel Reese is
[2:13:46] Speaker 2: doing what Angel Reese is doing.
[2:13:49] Speaker 1: And we do not condone segregation in the arena. We're
[2:13:51] Speaker 1: merely talking about from a revenue generating standpoint. Hey, listen.
[2:13:54] Speaker 1: If you want to piss off each other, get it back.
[2:13:56] Speaker 1: We do condone getting back. You're doing it online anyway. Shit,
[2:14:01] Speaker 1: just put a package together, goddammit. So we talk about
[2:14:05] Speaker 1: the toxic nature of discourse in the NBA, but are
[2:14:08] Speaker 1: we starting to feel that now on the WNBA side?
[2:14:12] Speaker 1: Seems like fans are getting very toxic with each other.
[2:14:14] Speaker 1: It's going to a whole other level. It's good for us.
[2:14:16] Speaker 1: And it's not about basketball anymore. I don't agree.
[2:14:20] Speaker 5: It's a narrative. Where's the proof?
[2:14:25] Speaker 1: Of which one? Being toxic. Oh, I see. Very active
[2:14:31] Speaker 1: on social media. Everybody loves this game, man.
[2:14:33] Speaker 4: The people who do disrespect the game, the people around
[2:14:37] Speaker 4: them will point them out immediately. There's no, yeah, we
[2:14:40] Speaker 4: support this guy saying some nasty shit to this person.
[2:14:44] Speaker 4: Nobody does that. So we got proof of it. He
[2:14:47] Speaker 4: can't come back to this game no more. She can't
[2:14:49] Speaker 4: come back. They can't do that.
[2:14:50] Speaker 1: We've done it before.
[2:14:51] Speaker 2: But we have seen that a ton on the men's side, though.
[2:14:54] Speaker 1: We see it, yeah, and we get rid of them.
[2:14:55] Speaker 2: Where arguments get very nasty, very toxic, disrespectful, go above
[2:14:59] Speaker 2: and beyond just basketball.
[2:15:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, it all happens. We know it happens. It happens.
[2:15:04] Speaker 5: You know, there's diabolical people, but bring it in. Yeah, man,
[2:15:08] Speaker 5: it's like don't let it affect.
[2:15:10] Speaker 4: It's not to the point where you ain't heard none
[2:15:13] Speaker 4: of the shit that's going on before.
[2:15:15] Speaker 1: Right. Not new.
[2:15:17] Speaker 4: So you shouldn't be sensitized to it. Shouldn't be so like, oh,
[2:15:22] Speaker 4: he said this. Oh, we can't say that. Oh, you're
[2:15:24] Speaker 4: black and I'm white. And yo, relax, bro. This is
[2:15:27] Speaker 4: not 1932.
[2:15:32] Speaker 1: We all get money together, man.
[2:15:34] Speaker 5: Let's get money together, bro.
[2:15:36] Speaker 2: As long as the WNBA girls, which is, you know,
[2:15:44] Speaker 2: majority black, as long as they're not feeding into it
[2:15:46] Speaker 2: and it's still just a game to y'all. As long
[2:15:48] Speaker 2: as y'all treating it like a basketball game.
[2:15:51] Speaker 1: Still, let the rest of us do what we do.
[2:15:54] Speaker 2: Don't tell me how to get my motherfucking views.
[2:15:57] Speaker 1: Because two years ago, because if you think this is
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: too much, then go back to two years ago where
[2:16:10] Speaker 1: they were simulating y'all games. 4 a.m. in the morning.
[2:16:16] Speaker 1: BET uncut. Nobody watched. Let's just be honest.
[2:16:21] Speaker 2: So there was a time where we wasn't paying attention
[2:16:26] Speaker 2: as we are now. Now we want to be involved.
[2:16:30] Speaker 2: We want to talk our shit. We want to pick
[2:16:32] Speaker 2: our sides. Let us do what we do. Because the
[2:16:35] Speaker 2: more we're doing what we're doing, the more your revenue
[2:16:38] Speaker 2: is going up.
[2:16:40] Speaker 1: All you do is just keep up. produce the jerseys
[2:16:45] Speaker 1: produce the wear we want to pick we won't let.
[2:16:47] Speaker 2: Us pick sides have one side all caitlyn clark dolls
[2:16:50] Speaker 2: one side all angel reese dolls and we're gonna see
[2:16:53] Speaker 2: who gonna buy sell out who and there should be
[2:16:56] Speaker 2: a counter.
[2:16:57] Speaker 1: On that motherfucker let the let the world.
[2:17:00] Speaker 2: Know oh shit angel reese dolls selling out too much
[2:17:04] Speaker 2: what you think is gonna happen all white coming through
[2:17:07] Speaker 2: Shutting the building down. Come on, man. This is America.
[2:17:12] Speaker 2: This is what sells. If you thought your game just
[2:17:17] Speaker 2: sold the game, then y'all would have been sold out
[2:17:19] Speaker 2: two years before they even came in here. It sold
[2:17:23] Speaker 2: out college basketball and it's selling out now.
[2:17:28] Speaker 1: Some of y'all having career years. We'll see it.
[2:17:33] Speaker 2: When we look at the box score of the people
[2:17:35] Speaker 2: we want to look at. Oh, shit, she had $ 30, 000? Hey,
[2:17:41] Speaker 2: mention her tomorrow, whatever her name is. Yeah, mention her tomorrow.
[2:17:44] Speaker 2: But other than that, I mean, the game is a game.
[2:17:48] Speaker 2: Let the two people who's breaking down the world. break
[2:17:50] Speaker 2: down the walls because everybody eats. The game has to
[2:17:54] Speaker 2: be built. Like, it was built off of, you know,
[2:17:58] Speaker 2: the Cheryl Swoops, the Lisa Lesleys, the Robos, the Don Stanton.
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: It was built then. Rebecca Lobo. Rebecca Lobo. The big one.
[2:18:07] Speaker 1: Big bird. The robo. He's called a big bird. My Amor.
[2:18:10] Speaker 1: My Amor. Rebecca like. Rebecca Robo. Oh my lord. Robo.
[2:18:15] Speaker 2: See, I don't even know the motherfucking full name. came
[2:18:20] Speaker 2: in Candace Parker right they did they job right Sue
[2:18:22] Speaker 2: Bird they did.
[2:18:23] Speaker 4: They job right keeping it afloat and that's what they
[2:18:25] Speaker 4: kept it afloat.
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: Now you got Two girls? Like I said, we're seeing
[2:18:45] Speaker 1: a lot more toxic, I think, on this side. You
[2:18:47] Speaker 1: can say it's narrative, but that's a part of all sports.
[2:18:49] Speaker 1: It's all sports. We see that. All sports.
[2:18:51] Speaker 5: Fan is short for fanatic. What they're doing is nothing.
[2:18:53] Speaker 1: People are wild. This ain't nothing. We just getting started. Yeah.
[2:18:58] Speaker 1: Wait till we start talking about the game.
[2:19:01] Speaker 2: Shit, you don't think we know shit. Y'all miss a
[2:19:03] Speaker 2: lot of lips around that motherfucker. Wait till we start
[2:19:05] Speaker 2: actually depicting the game. Right now, this shit just fun us. Right?
[2:19:09] Speaker 1: Or they start hiring us to, you know, commentate. For
[2:19:12] Speaker 1: the WNBA game. I'm not ready yet. I'm ready.
[2:19:17] Speaker 2: You have done a playback watch party.
[2:19:21] Speaker 1: You did a watch party for the Sky Kids. I
[2:19:22] Speaker 1: did a watch party. I'm not really ready.
[2:19:25] Speaker 2: I'm not mature enough to go play by play yet.
[2:19:29] Speaker 1: Not yet. Not yet. Not yet.
[2:19:31] Speaker 5: WNBA is way more easier to follow.
[2:19:35] Speaker 1: They move the ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:19:37] Speaker 5: So many times somebody can get hit and hit. Listen,
[2:19:40] Speaker 5: they actually, listen, I'm learning the game more watching them.
[2:19:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:19:44] Speaker 2: There's so many times how many wide open layups and
[2:19:47] Speaker 2: get your head hit with the ball a couple times
[2:19:48] Speaker 2: before you just start giggling and snickering.
[2:19:50] Speaker 5: They need it. They need the giggling and snickering. They
[2:19:53] Speaker 5: need all that. Hey, man, you can't miss that. You
[2:19:56] Speaker 5: can't miss that layup.
[2:19:58] Speaker 1: Come on now. They was hooping.
[2:20:02] Speaker 2: Fast break, layup, jump off the wrong leg with the
[2:20:04] Speaker 2: wrong arm, look in.
[2:20:06] Speaker 1: The wrong way. Just can't catch it at all. Just
[2:20:08] Speaker 1: can't put your hands on it. Like, how about this?
[2:20:11] Speaker 2: Like, majority, not everybody, you got some skills, but just
[2:20:15] Speaker 2: think Rudy Goldberg. When he dies and they pass him
[2:20:19] Speaker 2: the ball, what we see there, WNBA.
[2:20:22] Speaker 1: You just never know. You just never know.
[2:20:26] Speaker 2: There's a big difference between talent and Rudy Colbert.
[2:20:30] Speaker 1: Underdog does not support the views expressed on this program.
[2:20:33] Speaker 2: I'm just not maturely ready yet to just.
[2:20:36] Speaker 1: Thank you for being honest. How far away do you
[2:20:38] Speaker 1: think you are from being maturely ready? Ten years. Okay,
[2:20:41] Speaker 1: ten years. We'll hold you to that. 2035, we will
[2:20:43] Speaker 1: get you. I'm not a.
[2:20:46] Speaker 2: Part of it.
[2:20:49] Speaker 1: But in the meantime, let's move on to Mostly Fans,
[2:20:51] Speaker 1: presented by the good folks at Underdog. Download the Underdog app,
[2:20:54] Speaker 1: use promo code GIL, get up to $ 1, 000 in bonus cash,
[2:20:57] Speaker 1: plus a special pick-em. So, our first question from the chat.
[2:21:01] Speaker 1: Underdog user MustBeTheMoney24, should a player's entire playoff run be considered,
[2:21:06] Speaker 1: and who wins the finals MVP? No, it's called finals.
[2:21:13] Speaker 2: I just read the questions.
[2:21:16] Speaker 1: Say it again. Should a player's entire playoff run be
[2:21:19] Speaker 1: considered and who wins the finals MVP? I believe the
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: finals MVP is the finals of the NBA finals. No,
[2:21:26] Speaker 1: because it's two different awards. They got the playoffs one.
[2:21:28] Speaker 5: You get the playoffs before you get to the finals.
[2:21:30] Speaker 2: Like right now, okay, right now, if they had to
[2:21:34] Speaker 2: vote on playoffs MVP, who gets that award?
[2:21:41] Speaker 1: Brunson. and also we talked about maybe having an all
[2:21:46] Speaker 1: playoff team and things like.
[2:21:47] Speaker 2: That what I'm saying is like right now should it
[2:21:51] Speaker 2: be round to round though what.
[2:21:53] Speaker 5: You saying Holly.
[2:21:59] Speaker 1: It's either cause if you cause they.
[2:22:02] Speaker 4: Gonna go by the points or what do you value
[2:22:05] Speaker 4: if you have a personal preference of which one you
[2:22:07] Speaker 4: gonna pick do I prefer somebody who's scoring a lot
[2:22:11] Speaker 4: Or do I prefer somebody who's getting the team involved?
[2:22:14] Speaker 5: But we're both at the same point. So you can't
[2:22:16] Speaker 5: say winning is going to make a difference. So you've
[2:22:19] Speaker 5: got to say, all right, this nigga's going to double-double.
[2:22:22] Speaker 5: And he's averaging this.
[2:22:24] Speaker 4: He's bringing two things to the game.
[2:22:27] Speaker 5: All right, so I'm going to say Holly then.
[2:22:29] Speaker 1: Holly is 17-9. That's fine. And what's the name? It's 28-7.
[2:22:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:22:33] Speaker 1: Yeah. In the playoffs. In the playoffs. Remember, like I said,
[2:22:44] Speaker 1: we're in the same place.
[2:22:47] Speaker 5: And one got seven guys in double figures in scoring.
[2:22:50] Speaker 1: But he's 28-7. That's a lie. No, no. You're only
[2:22:53] Speaker 1: two more assists. I mean, 11 more points. What's the
[2:22:56] Speaker 1: other one, though? What's the rebounds? But we win it.
[2:22:59] Speaker 5: But we win it, though.
[2:23:00] Speaker 1: Five. I'm both winning. You're in the same spot. I
[2:23:03] Speaker 1: can't change. I can't.
[2:23:03] Speaker 5: Because it's two different. They play in two different styles.
[2:23:08] Speaker 1: One style worked for one team, the other style worked
[2:23:10] Speaker 1: for one team. Right, right, for sure.
[2:23:11] Speaker 2: Brunson is the only one whose numbers in all playoffs
[2:23:13] Speaker 2: right now, he's the only one whose numbers went up
[2:23:16] Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
[2:23:17] Speaker 1: Everybody else has went down.
[2:23:18] Speaker 5: Okay, so, yeah, I mean, I'm going to go highly,
[2:23:20] Speaker 5: but it would go.
[2:23:21] Speaker 4: Plus rebounds, plus assists, plus points. The question is this.
[2:23:23] Speaker 4: You take Brunson out, doesn't play. Does the Knicks still win?
[2:23:35] Speaker 1: No. They got Cat, remember?
[2:23:36] Speaker 9: No.
[2:23:36] Speaker 1: No.
[2:23:37] Speaker 5: They got Bridges, remember?
[2:23:38] Speaker 1: No, they don't. They don't win. They don't win.
[2:23:40] Speaker 5: All right, so if you take Holly off, does the
[2:23:43] Speaker 5: Pacers win?
[2:23:44] Speaker 1: Yeah. They have no chance. I don't know. Cat, OG.
[2:23:50] Speaker 1: You got seven guys who can score. I mean, Cat, OG, Bridges,
[2:23:53] Speaker 1: and Hart. But you have seven guys who can score
[2:23:55] Speaker 1: because Tyrus Halliburton. He's getting them the ball. How many assists?
[2:24:00] Speaker 1: He's not averaging them.
[2:24:01] Speaker 5: Because everybody else is still hurt. He's not averaging them.
[2:24:04] Speaker 1: Those nine assists go out the window. Everyone is scoring.
[2:24:07] Speaker 1: Miles Turner not averaging nothing like that. Yacob got to
[2:24:10] Speaker 1: get his shit off the glass. So you're talking about
[2:24:12] Speaker 1: they got to play with the white.
[2:24:14] Speaker 4: So nine assists per game. Or Neem Hart. Nine assists
[2:24:19] Speaker 4: in the regular season. The Pacers winning with that? I mean,
[2:24:22] Speaker 4: they playing against the Hurt Bucks.
[2:24:23] Speaker 1: They don't got nothing else in the second line of defense.
[2:24:25] Speaker 4: Like he said, he said, Pascal Siakam came in to
[2:24:28] Speaker 4: be the number one guy, ended up being the number
[2:24:31] Speaker 4: two guy.
[2:24:32] Speaker 1: Like, he wasn't even the number one guy up in Toronto.
[2:24:35] Speaker 2: Andrew averages five assists. You take, you take, what's his name?
[2:24:39] Speaker 2: He gonna go up four assists and average nine. Take
[2:24:45] Speaker 2: down some highly awesome teams. New York is still the
[2:24:47] Speaker 2: better team. more experience, everything.
[2:24:51] Speaker 5: New York is not still more experienced because Indiana just
[2:24:54] Speaker 5: went last year. But they only got the experience they
[2:24:56] Speaker 5: got as far as the years is fucking Miles Turner
[2:24:59] Speaker 5: and Siakam.
[2:24:59] Speaker 2: If you take Javier, you still got the number one
[2:25:02] Speaker 2: option who averaged 27 rebounds.
[2:25:04] Speaker 1: Take Brunson out. 15, 16, You got Bridges, Hart, and Kat. Right,
[2:25:09] Speaker 1: do they average that?
[2:25:09] Speaker 5: And OG. Right, but they still got six guys and
[2:25:13] Speaker 5: double figures in scoring.
[2:25:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, but those double figures not going to be double figures.
[2:25:15] Speaker 1: They're not getting the ball. It doesn't matter about who,
[2:25:18] Speaker 1: if we at least write. Who's balling and who's balling?
[2:25:19] Speaker 5: At the end of the day, it's who's balling and
[2:25:21] Speaker 5: who's balling.
[2:25:22] Speaker 1: Because he's not averaging nine, ten assists a game. Brunson's
[2:25:24] Speaker 1: not passing the ball. You're averaging nine. We can take
[2:25:28] Speaker 1: that seven because we got four other guys. Credible. Four
[2:25:32] Speaker 1: other credible guys. Y'all got one other credible guy. Siakam.
[2:25:36] Speaker 1: That's it.
[2:25:37] Speaker 5: Everybody else move. We got these. They like, man, they
[2:25:40] Speaker 5: ain't ready for this.
[2:25:41] Speaker 1: We good. We got it. Brunson, chill. Brunson, chill. We
[2:25:44] Speaker 1: going to run it through Bridges.
[2:25:45] Speaker 5: That's a toss-up.
[2:25:46] Speaker 1: We going to run it through Bridges. That's a toss-up. Hey, Bridges,
[2:25:48] Speaker 1: what you want to do? Now we're going to run
[2:25:50] Speaker 1: it through Cat. What Cat say? Cat and Miles Turner,
[2:25:53] Speaker 1: they X. OG, what you want to do? OG versus who? Siakam?
[2:25:57] Speaker 1: Run it back. All right, good luck with that. I mean, Bridges,
[2:26:00] Speaker 1: you better be hitting. How much did Siakam get? 200-something?
[2:26:01] Speaker 1: All right. I'm just saying he's the only one. I
[2:26:07] Speaker 1: think it's a toss-up if they both... Shays' number's down.
[2:26:09] Speaker 1: Brunson averaged, what, 24 this year? No, no, 26th.
[2:26:16] Speaker 5: You take that 26, right?
[2:26:18] Speaker 1: For regular season, he's averaging 28.
[2:26:19] Speaker 5: You say Bridges and Hart and Cat, y'all got to
[2:26:22] Speaker 5: shoot more.
[2:26:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, 26-7 and three rebounds.
[2:26:23] Speaker 4: Just like everybody else. You say you got to shoot more.
[2:26:25] Speaker 4: You're telling them you got to shoot more.
[2:26:27] Speaker 1: Right. Those three guys. They got to hit. In comparison
[2:26:29] Speaker 1: to who got to shoot more. 29-8 and four rebounds.
[2:26:31] Speaker 5: You're telling who got to shoot more.
[2:26:34] Speaker 1: Huh? 26-7, three rebounds, regular season, 28. Or 29-8 and
[2:26:38] Speaker 1: four rebounds. He's the only one that's positive out of
[2:26:41] Speaker 1: all the three. That's it.
[2:26:43] Speaker 5: Everybody else is down by a chance.
[2:26:45] Speaker 1: Yeah. Not a chance. OG Bridges and Cat versus who?
[2:26:49] Speaker 1: Miles Turner. Who? Siakam and... And Neimhart? Yeah. No. All right.
[2:26:55] Speaker 1: No chance.
[2:26:57] Speaker 5: No chance.
[2:26:59] Speaker 1: With Josh Hart running around doing Iron Man shit. But
[2:27:03] Speaker 1: they should have... Flying around and shit. They should because
[2:27:06] Speaker 1: they have finals MVP.
[2:27:08] Speaker 2: See, that Eastern Conference, Western Conference finals MVP, that should
[2:27:13] Speaker 2: be the playoff MVP.
[2:27:16] Speaker 1: That should be changed. And then finals make it its
[2:27:19] Speaker 1: own thing. Yeah, because it's been its own thing.
[2:27:21] Speaker 2: They just added this award. This award should be playoff envy.
[2:27:24] Speaker 2: So back to the question for mostly fans.
[2:27:27] Speaker 1: So then should you include the first two rounds in
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: determining who's the conference?
[2:27:31] Speaker 2: First round to the Eastern Conference until you get ready
[2:27:35] Speaker 2: to the championship.
[2:27:35] Speaker 1: First round, second round, and third round.
[2:27:36] Speaker 2: So if a motherfucking first round has seven games and
[2:27:38] Speaker 2: a nigga average 70... he's considered playoff MVP.
[2:27:42] Speaker 1: But what if he gets to the conference finals and
[2:27:44] Speaker 1: only averages five points? I'm just saying, do you take
[2:27:46] Speaker 1: the whole body? It's still your whole playoff. Depends on
[2:27:48] Speaker 1: your average. It's your whole playoff. Your whole body of
[2:27:50] Speaker 1: work in the playoffs pre-NBA finals.
[2:27:52] Speaker 2: Yes.
[2:27:52] Speaker 1: So shouldn't that count? Should be MVP. Shouldn't that count, though? What?
[2:27:56] Speaker 2: What?
[2:27:57] Speaker 4: In the easier games before getting to the important game,
[2:27:59] Speaker 4: you played well.
[2:28:00] Speaker 1: Then you got to the important game and you played bad. No,
[2:28:03] Speaker 1: it's still the playoffs. It's on your average though, right?
[2:28:05] Speaker 1: It's called playoffs.
[2:28:06] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying as far as even averages, right?
[2:28:09] Speaker 4: The easier team, you play well. The easier team, you
[2:28:13] Speaker 4: play well. The harder team, you shit the bed.
[2:28:18] Speaker 1: But we win? No, you lose. You lose.
[2:28:20] Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
[2:28:22] Speaker 4: That's been a lot of guys that's played good, played good,
[2:28:25] Speaker 4: played good, shit the bed.
[2:28:27] Speaker 2: But if I average 29, 8, and 8, and you average,
[2:28:29] Speaker 2: you know, 16, but you had a great this one,
[2:28:32] Speaker 2: these great four games, like, it's the playoff.
[2:28:36] Speaker 1: Playoff MVP, right? Shouldn't it offset, though? Seeing that you
[2:28:39] Speaker 1: did play good for these.
[2:28:40] Speaker 5: And you didn't when it counted.
[2:28:42] Speaker 1: It's the body of work. I played good when it counted.
[2:28:45] Speaker 1: Body of work. It's the body of work.
[2:28:46] Speaker 5: I know.
[2:28:46] Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm just saying. Is there no tradeoff for that?
[2:28:51] Speaker 1: But that's why they.
[2:28:51] Speaker 2: Got the Eastern Conference Finals MVP now. Like, that's why
[2:28:54] Speaker 2: I said it's this weird one, like, Finals. Eastern Conference
[2:28:56] Speaker 2: Finals MVP, then Finals MVP. It's got to be for
[2:29:01] Speaker 2: that series.
[2:29:01] Speaker 1: That's what I said. No, it's just for that series,
[2:29:03] Speaker 1: but that one should be all three series combined. For sure.
[2:29:08] Speaker 1: I like it. It should, but I don't know. Who knows?
[2:29:10] Speaker 1: We'll see, but appreciate you, gentlemen.
[2:29:13] Speaker 4: Shout out to everybody out there that supported the 10
[2:29:16] Speaker 4: Toes music video, King Sonny Black.
[2:29:19] Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all. Y'all already know. It's Sonny. Money making Sonny.
[2:29:25] Speaker 1: And shout out to everybody who supports Gil's Arena and
[2:29:29] Speaker 1: pulls up every day. Appreciate you, gentlemen. OG crew right here.
[2:29:32] Speaker 1: We got our Knicks fans in here. We got our
[2:29:35] Speaker 1: favorite fans. Eastern Conference Finals tips off tonight. We'll be
[2:29:38] Speaker 1: on playback watching, so make sure you pull up to
[2:29:40] Speaker 1: playback.tv slash Gilbert Arenas. This has been another episode of
[2:29:43] Speaker 1: Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:29:45] Speaker 4: We'll see you all tomorrow.

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