# Giannis Is FINALLY Ready To Move On From Milwaukee

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 28 Jan 2026, 2 h 04 min.

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Giannis Antetokounmpo Is FINALLY Ready To Move On according to Gilbert Arenas as Gil & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Giannis officially announcing he's ready to find a new home before the NBA Trade Deadline and predict where the Greek Freak may land as the Milwaukee Bucks are listening to trade offers for their franchise superstar for the first time ever. They then react to Derrick Rose getting his flowers as the Chicago Bulls retired the former MVPs jersey on Saturday Night and discuss D-Rose's impact on basketball in the city of Chicago before breaking down Luka Doncic & LeBron James responding to JJ Reddick's request to pass more as the dynamic duo has powered the Los Angeles Lakers to a 4-1 record over their last 5 games. Finally, they discuss Joel Embiid's quiet resurgence as the Philadelphia 76ers superstar looks to have gotten his groove back, sparking a debate on if the Sixers should finally be taken seriously with their Big 3 of Embiid, Tyrese Maxey and Paul George firing on all cylinders for the first time in their 76ers careers. PLEASE give us a Like and Subscribe!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants, Norris Cole, & Brandon Jennings Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $75 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... If prescribed, new sexual health patients get $15 off their first order of Sparks on a recurring plan. Connect with a provider at https://ro.co/arena to find out if prescription Ro Sparks are right for you. SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:59 Giannis Is Ready For A New Home 0:07:13 Derrick Rose Gets His Jersey Retired 0:51:53 LeBron & Luka Learn To Pass 1:22:34 Rashad's Crazy JJ Redick Take 1:30:42 LeBron's Take On NBA Injuries 1:55:42 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: With Code Gil.
[0:01] Speaker 2: So, Mr. B, you had a partner pack yesterday on
[0:03] Speaker 2: the show. We told all y'all, I think 64% of
[0:06] Speaker 2: the chat was riding with your partner pack. If they
[0:08] Speaker 2: actually put their money where their mouth is, they would
[0:10] Speaker 2: have made some bread. Let's take a look. You hit
[0:13] Speaker 2: on all three SGA, 29 points. You're at 28.5 higher.
[0:17] Speaker 2: Kay Cunningham had 10 assists. You took higher 7.5 assists.
[0:20] Speaker 2: And Jamal Murray came through. It was looking a little shaky.
[0:24] Speaker 2: He was missing a lot of free throws, Mr. B,
[0:26] Speaker 2: but came through, got those 24 points. So we're going
[0:30] Speaker 2: to run it back tonight.
[0:32] Speaker 1: Mr.
[0:32] Speaker 2: B has some picks up in his partner pack on
[0:34] Speaker 2: the Underdog app for this evening. Let's take a look
[0:36] Speaker 2: at what you got. Slovenian Jesus, Luka Doncic, higher 47.5 points,
[0:40] Speaker 2: rebounds and assists. Donovan Mitchell, higher 28.5 points. And Jalen Brown,
[0:46] Speaker 2: higher 37.5 points, rebounds and assists.
[0:49] Speaker 3: If you use Mr.
[0:49] Speaker 2: B's partner pack, you can win up to 2.7 times
[0:52] Speaker 2: your bread if it hits.
[0:54] Speaker 3: We got the Lakers and Cavs tonight.
[0:55] Speaker 1: LeBron.
[0:56] Speaker 4: LeBron.
[0:57] Speaker 3: Returning to Cleveland.
[0:59] Speaker 1: Look at my half-fifty against the Cavs.
[1:02] Speaker 3: On George.
[1:03] Speaker 2: How everybody feel about Mr. B's partner pack for this evening?
[1:11] Speaker 5: Those look like safe picks.
[1:12] Speaker 3: You know, conservative, but.
[1:15] Speaker 5: Yeah, those are pretty safe picks.
[1:16] Speaker 3: You can get your braille right. Already won one this week.
[1:20] Speaker 1: Two in a row.
[1:21] Speaker 2: Let's make it two in a row. We asked the
[1:22] Speaker 2: chat if they were riding their fame with your picks.
[1:24] Speaker 3: 62%, 63%.
[1:25] Speaker 1: 63%.
[1:25] Speaker 2: 63% of the chat. I'm in the 60. Rolling 60s.
[1:28] Speaker 2: You are rolling 60s too?
[1:30] Speaker 1: Rolling. All the way? No? Okay. Well, okay.
[1:36] Speaker 2: LA joke for you guys. For those that are aware.
[1:39] Speaker 2: If you can't watch this live with us on YouTube,
[1:40] Speaker 2: we got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you
[1:43] Speaker 2: get your podcasts.
[1:44] Speaker 3: So let's get back into it.
[1:46] Speaker 2: We have some breaking news coming from ESPN's Sham Sharani
[1:49] Speaker 2: in regards to Giannis' future with the Bucs. So earlier
[1:53] Speaker 2: this morning, Shams said that Giannis is ready for a
[1:57] Speaker 2: new home at the February 5th NBA Tread Day line
[2:00] Speaker 2: or in the offseason with a report that NBA teams
[2:03] Speaker 2: are making aggressive offers to him. The Milwaukee Bucks form
[2:06] Speaker 2: and the franchise is starting to listen. The two-time MVP
[2:09] Speaker 2: is out for at least the next four to six
[2:11] Speaker 2: weeks after suffering a calf strain and a loss of
[2:13] Speaker 2: the Nuggets this past Friday. Bucks are 3-12 without Giannis
[2:17] Speaker 2: this season, but just 15-15 with him in the lineup.
[2:20] Speaker 2: Currently 12th in the East. one spot behind the Charlotte Hornets,
[2:24] Speaker 2: who are now 11th in Adam Silver's Eastern Conference. Greek
[2:27] Speaker 2: Freak has been critical of his teammates and future with
[2:31] Speaker 2: the team recently while attempting 13 or less shots in
[2:34] Speaker 2: five straight games. So Giannis will become eligible to sign
[2:36] Speaker 2: a four-year, $ 275 million Supermax extension on October 1st. If
[2:41] Speaker 2: he decides not to sign that extension, he would become
[2:43] Speaker 2: an unrestricted free agent in the 2027 offseason by declining
[2:47] Speaker 2: a $ 63 million player option that summer. So according to
[2:51] Speaker 2: the report, the Bucs are in no rush to trade
[2:53] Speaker 2: Giannis unless their price point is met. They want a
[2:58] Speaker 2: young star, a lot of draft capital. So again, what's
[3:02] Speaker 2: your reaction to the report that the Bucs are listening
[3:04] Speaker 2: to trade offers for Giannis and will move him by
[3:06] Speaker 2: the deadline or this offseason?
[3:14] Speaker 3: By the deadline? The trade deadline next Thursday.
[3:18] Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, like, The only teams that's going
[3:20] Speaker 1: to trade during the deadline is teams that thought their
[3:23] Speaker 1: teams was going to be good in their trash. So
[3:26] Speaker 1: it's not going to be no championship caliber teams that's
[3:29] Speaker 1: going to be making big trades like that. Most good
[3:33] Speaker 1: teams make, you know, middle of the road trades that
[3:36] Speaker 1: can help them on the bench or a solid player
[3:40] Speaker 1: that can have not star power to then try to
[3:44] Speaker 1: leapfrog to the championship. So I don't see them getting
[3:50] Speaker 1: anything that they want. I don't know who's desperate enough
[3:53] Speaker 1: to give up whatever to have, Orlando. I mean, I
[3:59] Speaker 1: don't even think Cleveland. Like, Cleveland will have to break
[4:01] Speaker 1: up their whole team for Giannis. Like, there's nobody that's...
[4:05] Speaker 1: Because Giannis want to live in Cleveland. The Knicks? The
[4:08] Speaker 1: Knicks is a playoff team. What, are they going to
[4:10] Speaker 1: trade their whole team for them? No team does that.
[4:12] Speaker 1: I know a team that'll do it. Huh?
[4:14] Speaker 5: I said, I know a team that'll do it.
[4:16] Speaker 3: Right now, that's in a playoff contention?
[4:17] Speaker 5: I don't know about that. I just know a team
[4:19] Speaker 5: that'll do it.
[4:20] Speaker 3: No, I mean, a lot of teams will do it.
[4:21] Speaker 1: I'm talking about the teams that are trying to, that
[4:25] Speaker 1: they have, like.
[4:27] Speaker 3: Is that team in the Eastern Conference?
[4:29] Speaker 1: Second round to championship. They're not making a trade for
[4:32] Speaker 1: him right now. That'll happen in the summer. Because you
[4:34] Speaker 1: don't have enough time to think. These niggas are not smart.
[4:38] Speaker 1: So you're thinking about somebody who's impulsive, right? Impulsive, I
[4:42] Speaker 1: just need to do something because I'm about to get
[4:43] Speaker 1: fired or something like that. Then they make that trade.
[4:45] Speaker 1: But other than that, it's going to happen in the summer.
[4:49] Speaker 1: Or it's going to be a bottom-feeding team that can
[4:51] Speaker 1: do it.
[4:51] Speaker 2: There are teams in the NBA that fit the criteria
[4:54] Speaker 2: of having young star draft capital that they could send
[4:57] Speaker 2: over to the Miami Heat.
[4:58] Speaker 3: Norris, you said you know a team.
[5:00] Speaker 5: I know a team that's been waiting for a couple
[5:03] Speaker 5: years that scene is coming down the line.
[5:05] Speaker 3: Would you like to share with the group?
[5:06] Speaker 5: Yeah, you know who it is.
[5:07] Speaker 3: We all know who it is.
[5:08] Speaker 5: And they got the picks.
[5:10] Speaker 1: Who is it?
[5:10] Speaker 5: They got the young star, the Heat. They got picks,
[5:13] Speaker 5: first round picks coming up. So a team that's... They
[5:17] Speaker 5: got a young star in Jaleel Ware. And they also
[5:22] Speaker 5: got Hero, too, who some think is.
[5:26] Speaker 3: A borderline star.
[5:27] Speaker 5: So they have some packages and they have capital as
[5:30] Speaker 5: far as to match the contract with Wiggins, you know, aspiring...
[5:33] Speaker 5: So they can... They can do some things to make
[5:36] Speaker 5: it happen by the deadline. And if he'd get the
[5:38] Speaker 5: deal by the deadline, he could still get that Supermax
[5:40] Speaker 5: that he's looking for, too. If he could get it
[5:42] Speaker 5: done by that deadline. That's why they put that in there.
[5:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's obviously any team that's willing to trade
[5:45] Speaker 2: for Giannis would need the assurance that he's not going
[5:47] Speaker 2: to opt out 2027 and test free agency.
[5:50] Speaker 1: I would like to see.
[5:51] Speaker 5: That happen for obvious reasons.
[5:53] Speaker 3: Test the free agency?
[5:54] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[5:56] Speaker 2: He has October 1st. He can sign that forward. Year's
[5:59] Speaker 2: $ 275 million Supermax extension. If he opts not to do that,
[6:03] Speaker 2: he could opt out in 2027 and become a free agent.
[6:06] Speaker 3: I'm not saying he will.
[6:08] Speaker 2: I'm just telling you the options that are on the
[6:09] Speaker 2: table right now for the Greek freak. My favorite, Greco-Nigerian.
[6:16] Speaker 2: Shift over to this side. Mr. B, Mr. 414, we
[6:18] Speaker 2: talked about this a little yesterday. Yesterday you said you
[6:20] Speaker 2: thought that Giannis had played his last game in a
[6:23] Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks uniform. Do you still feel that same way?
[6:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[6:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
[6:27] Speaker 6: I see what the reports that come out. I don't
[6:29] Speaker 6: know if it's going to happen in the trade deadline,
[6:32] Speaker 6: but I know it's going to happen by the summertime
[6:34] Speaker 6: or something. But it's been, I mean, you know, it's been,
[6:37] Speaker 6: it's been going on. I mean, it's been rumors and
[6:40] Speaker 6: everything like that. So, I mean, we all saw it coming.
[6:44] Speaker 6: You know, the team isn't good at all. He keeps
[6:47] Speaker 6: getting hurt. The fans are booing. He's booing back. So
[6:51] Speaker 6: it's just time to just wash our hands and both
[6:53] Speaker 6: parties just move on. I mean, he did come in
[6:55] Speaker 6: there and he did win a championship. So at the
[6:58] Speaker 6: end of the day, it took 50 years, and he's
[7:00] Speaker 6: the one that came in there and did it, and
[7:02] Speaker 6: he did a lot for the city. So at the
[7:03] Speaker 6: end of the day, I would just clean my hands
[7:05] Speaker 6: up and just move on peacefully in it. I mean,
[7:08] Speaker 6: just get what you're going to get back from them.
[7:10] Speaker 1: I would tank for the.
[7:11] Speaker 6: Rest of the season and then use all those drafts,
[7:14] Speaker 6: use all those first-round picks and everything we got and
[7:16] Speaker 6: just try to see.
[7:16] Speaker 1: What we can get.
[7:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, Bucs have the less favorable of theirs or the
[7:19] Speaker 2: Pelicans pick in this year's NBA draft. Obviously, the Pelicans
[7:23] Speaker 2: are trash as well, so it should be a reasonable
[7:26] Speaker 2: lottery pick. But let's shift over to Cemetery Larry Shams Radames.
[7:30] Speaker 2: What do you think about this latest report from Shams
[7:33] Speaker 2: that the Bucs are listening to trade officer Giannis with
[7:36] Speaker 2: a deal likely to occur Sometime before the trade deadline
[7:39] Speaker 2: or this offseason?
[7:46] Speaker 7: I remember a conversation we was having in the group
[7:48] Speaker 7: chat a while back, maybe two years ago.
[7:51] Speaker 1: I mentioned.
[7:55] Speaker 7: Giannis having some type of loser mentality when he went
[8:01] Speaker 7: to the ownership and wanted to demand, get the guys
[8:06] Speaker 7: he wanted. I ended up getting rid of drew, ended
[8:10] Speaker 7: up going to get Dame. I wasn't good enough. Got
[8:15] Speaker 7: Adrian Griffin. Got rid of Adrian Griffin.
[8:19] Speaker 2: 30 and 13 as a Bucks head coach before he
[8:22] Speaker 2: was dismissed.
[8:23] Speaker 7: Wasn't good enough. Um, he's been hurt three of the
[8:31] Speaker 7: last four seasons when it comes to the playoffs. Did
[8:34] Speaker 7: play in the playoffs last season with the two previous
[8:36] Speaker 7: ones being available. Um, It just doesn't look nice. It
[8:42] Speaker 7: looks nasty. It's been looking nasty. I think the way
[8:45] Speaker 7: he's handled it, he wants it to look good. I
[8:49] Speaker 7: don't think it looks good at all. Seeing that he
[8:54] Speaker 7: did a self-imposed injury evaluation of himself, telling everybody how
[9:01] Speaker 7: he's not going to be playing. And then fans booing him,
[9:07] Speaker 7: not booing him, Buying the team, him being the leader
[9:11] Speaker 7: of the team, him complaining about his teammates giving him
[9:14] Speaker 7: the ball, a lot of the shit that you don't
[9:17] Speaker 7: see real stars go through. And now having to be moved,
[9:23] Speaker 7: leaving your kingdom, says a lot. Don't want to really
[9:29] Speaker 7: see it from a good star like him. He plays
[9:30] Speaker 7: hard every night. He wears his heart on his sleeve.
[9:36] Speaker 7: He's very prideful. He says he's a warrior, but.
[9:42] Speaker 3: What kind of warrior?
[9:42] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[9:44] Speaker 3: A Golden State warrior?
[9:46] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
[9:47] Speaker 7: You know, Achilles never went and fought for the other team.
[9:51] Speaker 7: You know, he stayed down. So, just hope he gets
[9:59] Speaker 7: what he wants. you know because the grass ain't greener
[10:01] Speaker 7: on the other side especially when your injuries have to
[10:06] Speaker 7: answer to some something all right you have to get
[10:08] Speaker 7: healthy you have to take that other team that you're
[10:11] Speaker 7: going to you have to take them to the other
[10:12] Speaker 7: the next level that's going to be your expectation is
[10:15] Speaker 7: leaving here Similar to how KG left. When KG left,
[10:18] Speaker 7: his expectation was to win a championship, and he did.
[10:21] Speaker 7: So now it's pressure on you now. More pressure than
[10:24] Speaker 7: it was for you rebuilding. So let's hope he gets
[10:28] Speaker 7: what he wants. It don't look good in my eyes,
[10:31] Speaker 7: so I don't like it.
[10:32] Speaker 2: Giannis is one of the longest-tenured players to play with
[10:34] Speaker 2: the same team in the league.
[10:36] Speaker 3: Behind Steph and Draymond.
[10:37] Speaker 1: Wait, he asked for a trade, or they're open to
[10:40] Speaker 1: listen to trades?
[10:42] Speaker 2: I think the rumblings from behind the scenes are Giannis
[10:44] Speaker 2: has yet to ask for a trade officially.
[10:46] Speaker 1: He's not asked, so it's the team.
[10:47] Speaker 3: This is coming from Shams. Shams has been obviously reporting
[10:50] Speaker 3: on this.
[10:50] Speaker 1: Hopefully the team gets what they want back. Yeah. So
[10:56] Speaker 1: Shams said he's looking for a new home. No.
[11:00] Speaker 5: That's what the quote said. That's what the quote said.
[11:02] Speaker 1: He's looking for a new home.
[11:05] Speaker 5: That has to mean Giannis is open to that. They
[11:08] Speaker 5: can't just come out and say that without him.
[11:10] Speaker 2: Giannis ready for a new home at the February 5th
[11:12] Speaker 2: NBA trade deadline or in the offseason. Giannis has not
[11:15] Speaker 2: officially requested a trade.
[11:16] Speaker 5: That's exactly what he said.
[11:17] Speaker 1: Neak sources tell. He's ready for a new home. Big sources.
[11:22] Speaker 1: Big sources.
[11:23] Speaker 5: He's ready.
[11:24] Speaker 6: Get me the fuck out of here.
[11:26] Speaker 2: People have been critical of Shams reporting. Shams had talked
[11:29] Speaker 2: about the Knicks had talked about a trade in the offseason.
[11:33] Speaker 2: And his representatives through his representatives was basically saying it
[11:38] Speaker 2: was time to chunk the proverbial deuces.
[11:40] Speaker 5: They ain't looking good.
[11:48] Speaker 2: So looking around the NBA landscape, Gil, like you mentioned,
[11:52] Speaker 2: not a lot of high-level contenders currently trying to make
[11:55] Speaker 2: moves of that magnitude. Which teams make the most sense
[11:59] Speaker 2: for Giannis if he wants to compete for championships?
[12:02] Speaker 3: To compete for a championship?
[12:03] Speaker 1: There's only been one team that's made a trade this
[12:05] Speaker 1: whole time. The Wizards.
[12:10] Speaker 5: Like a major trade.
[12:11] Speaker 3: That's the only thing.
[12:12] Speaker 5: That's the only major trade.
[12:12] Speaker 1: All these motherfucking teams need to be making trades. Well,
[12:15] Speaker 1: we have until next Thursday. Teams that thought they had expectation.
[12:21] Speaker 1: Atlanta thought they had expectation. Everybody worked. They sold.
[12:24] Speaker 3: I mean, they trade.
[12:25] Speaker 1: That's what happened. During trade deadline, that's when you think
[12:28] Speaker 1: about trading. This is where we're supposed to be. We're
[12:32] Speaker 1: not there yet. then I get rid of somebody. So
[12:35] Speaker 1: looking at Detroit, Detroit ain't trading nobody. We don't need
[12:39] Speaker 1: to get better. We like what we have. Teams that
[12:41] Speaker 1: are at the top, we like what we have. We
[12:44] Speaker 1: are reassessed in the offseason. Now a team like Cleveland,
[12:48] Speaker 1: they'll think about it, but they're not going to make
[12:50] Speaker 1: a move. We've got to get rid of a lot
[12:53] Speaker 1: of people. Orlando might think about it, but those are
[12:56] Speaker 1: bottom-fitting teams now. Miami, they need a star, so they're
[13:01] Speaker 1: not going to try to win this year. If I've
[13:03] Speaker 1: got to get rid of my whole team for Giannis,
[13:04] Speaker 1: I can do that, and then we'll figure that shit
[13:06] Speaker 1: out in the summer. So those are the teams that
[13:08] Speaker 1: will make those moves.
[13:10] Speaker 3: Clippers?
[13:11] Speaker 1: Golden State.
[13:11] Speaker 3: Sacramento. But those are teams that are not going to
[13:15] Speaker 3: win a championship.
[13:16] Speaker 1: I'm just saying trade.
[13:17] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, bottom teams will trade.
[13:20] Speaker 7: Ain't nobody making no, we're not shaking up the shit.
[13:22] Speaker 7: We're not shaking up the shit. Usually every summer we
[13:25] Speaker 7: see a blockbuster. We see some type of three-team trade,
[13:28] Speaker 7: some type of movement. We haven't seen shit.
[13:32] Speaker 2: We saw a blockbuster trade, last deadline trade. Luka Doncic
[13:36] Speaker 2: coming to the Lakers.
[13:37] Speaker 5: That was blockbuster.
[13:39] Speaker 3: Very questionable return for the Mavs. It'll be the one.
[13:41] Speaker 5: And the Mavs just made a big trade when they
[13:44] Speaker 5: got Desmond, which they gave up a.
[13:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, Magic gave those four unprotected fits.
[13:49] Speaker 5: Too much.
[13:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see.
[13:51] Speaker 1: Even Minnesota, I just don't... Like, it'll have to be... Like,
[13:55] Speaker 1: if we're doing star for star so I don't have
[13:57] Speaker 1: to break up my whole team, you gotta remember, like,
[13:58] Speaker 1: this is the trade that I gotta process this trade
[14:03] Speaker 1: for Giannis in real time. Not all summer. In real time,
[14:07] Speaker 1: I got to sit here and say, well, what do
[14:09] Speaker 1: they want?
[14:10] Speaker 3: Okay, I got it. Okay, this piece, this piece. What
[14:12] Speaker 3: do we get back?
[14:12] Speaker 1: They don't think it's not smart like that.
[14:14] Speaker 3: Think about that.
[14:15] Speaker 7: Think about what you're saying. If a team has to
[14:18] Speaker 7: ask what they want. Is Giannis not a game changer?
[14:21] Speaker 5: Giannis is a complete game changer.
[14:24] Speaker 1: Whatever the fuck they want, they get. It's Giannis.
[14:27] Speaker 5: It's Giannis for sure.
[14:28] Speaker 7: He's going to change our dynamic immediately if that's the case.
[14:32] Speaker 7: The case is we get Giannis. Who do we have
[14:35] Speaker 7: that's available to give away?
[14:37] Speaker 3: Okay, again, he's on the team right now, right?
[14:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[14:41] Speaker 3: What do they look like with him and those players?
[14:44] Speaker 1: Not good.
[14:45] Speaker 7: What are they like without him? No, no. All those players'
[14:50] Speaker 7: numbers go up without him.
[14:52] Speaker 1: No, the players' stats go up.
[14:55] Speaker 3: The record don't.
[14:56] Speaker 1: But they're closer to winning than they are with him.
[14:58] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is he is on the team, you know,
[15:01] Speaker 1: so y'all can say, yeah, he does this. But, again,
[15:04] Speaker 1: if I'm trading my players for him, what am I
[15:08] Speaker 1: going to look for? For after. So a team that
[15:12] Speaker 1: has Giannis and we're thinking about championships, I have to
[15:15] Speaker 1: think about the assets that.
[15:16] Speaker 3: Can go with him.
[15:17] Speaker 1: So it's one team looking for a championship and the
[15:20] Speaker 1: other team is looking for a rebuild.
[15:21] Speaker 3: He's looking for a championship.
[15:21] Speaker 1: Yes. So if you're Milwaukee, you're trying to rebuild.
[15:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't care.
[15:25] Speaker 1: Right.
[15:26] Speaker 7: So if you're the Miami Heat, if you're the Orlando Magic,
[15:29] Speaker 7: if you're a certain other team, we know with Giannis
[15:32] Speaker 7: takes us from here to here.
[15:34] Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.
[15:35] Speaker 1: It does. If I just add Giannis, it does. What
[15:40] Speaker 1: if I have to give up Wagner and Benchero? That's
[15:43] Speaker 1: going to help my team? Yes. No.
[15:44] Speaker 7: Because Wagner's barely playing. Benchero's playing like team. I want
[15:47] Speaker 7: you guys to play like team.
[15:48] Speaker 5: I don't know about Orlando, but it'll help Miami. It'll
[15:51] Speaker 5: definitely take Miami to the game.
[15:52] Speaker 1: So if I get rid of Bam and Hero, of course.
[15:55] Speaker 1: So I got to think about who I got to
[15:56] Speaker 1: get rid of.
[15:57] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[15:57] Speaker 7: You can't because they're not playing at the level right
[16:01] Speaker 7: now to sustain them.
[16:03] Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. I got to get rid
[16:05] Speaker 1: of a whole bunch of pieces to bring him in.
[16:08] Speaker 3: I know.
[16:08] Speaker 1: I'm with you.
[16:09] Speaker 5: I'm making a deal.
[16:10] Speaker 7: If you take them to All-Stars for a megastar, this
[16:13] Speaker 7: is what we're doing.
[16:14] Speaker 1: We take Bam and Hero. We'll give you Giannis. Clear trade.
[16:18] Speaker 1: Let's take that.
[16:19] Speaker 5: Easy.
[16:19] Speaker 7: Because now we still got pieces around that are better
[16:22] Speaker 7: than the pieces that are in Milwaukee. The pieces that
[16:24] Speaker 7: are left in Miami right now are better than the
[16:27] Speaker 7: pieces that are in Milwaukee right now.
[16:29] Speaker 3: They're not left because you're just making it up.
[16:30] Speaker 1: What do you mean? No, you just came up with
[16:32] Speaker 1: your own scenario to keep Bam and the Stars there
[16:35] Speaker 1: while bringing Giannis. No, no, no.
[16:36] Speaker 7: I'm saying Bam and Hero go to Milwaukee for Giannis.
[16:41] Speaker 1: And you think they go in that there. Yeah, they
[16:45] Speaker 1: just as bad.
[16:45] Speaker 7: I'm going to try to win a championship.
[16:49] Speaker 1: They're not worse.
[16:51] Speaker 7: They're not worse than me.
[16:53] Speaker 1: If I add him with BAM and hero, it heightens me.
[16:57] Speaker 1: But I'm getting rid of my stars to bring another
[16:59] Speaker 1: star and say we're a championship ready. Come on.
[17:01] Speaker 7: We have if this is a guy who can take
[17:03] Speaker 7: your franchise to the next level, bro, if he goes
[17:06] Speaker 7: to any team.
[17:08] Speaker 1: He just don't want to play in Milwaukee.
[17:10] Speaker 5: He's a consensus top three player.
[17:12] Speaker 1: But you don't need pieces around you.
[17:14] Speaker 6: You got pieces.
[17:17] Speaker 5: You don't need a stacked deck, though. I'm like you.
[17:20] Speaker 5: I don't think Giannis needs a stacked deck like a
[17:22] Speaker 5: lot of these other stars do. He just needs some competent.
[17:25] Speaker 1: Good role players. That's all Giannis needs. A lot of
[17:26] Speaker 1: these stars need.
[17:27] Speaker 5: A deck to be stacked.
[17:28] Speaker 1: Let's do something like we're intelligent.
[17:36] Speaker 3: Let's trade him to a team.
[17:39] Speaker 1: They compete for a championship today.
[17:42] Speaker 3: Today?
[17:43] Speaker 1: So that means wherever he's going, you have to make
[17:47] Speaker 1: a trade where he's going to compete for a championship.
[17:51] Speaker 3: There is one team that... The East is wide open.
[17:54] Speaker 5: Why can't we win the East?
[17:55] Speaker 1: Say that.
[17:55] Speaker 3: I don't think it would happen.
[17:57] Speaker 1: What?
[17:58] Speaker 3: The Thunder. The Thunder? To give up who?
[18:02] Speaker 1: For Giannis.
[18:03] Speaker 3: The whole team?
[18:04] Speaker 1: Chet?
[18:05] Speaker 3: Chet, who else? There has to be four or five
[18:09] Speaker 3: more people. They have the draft capital.
[18:11] Speaker 5: And San Antonio got the draft capital.
[18:13] Speaker 3: San Antonio has it too. Okay, but you'll make that money.
[18:15] Speaker 3: San Antonio, yeah, okay, so you got to ask us
[18:17] Speaker 3: to do it. I'm not saying I see it happening.
[18:22] Speaker 7: It's about who's afraid to pull the trigger on such
[18:25] Speaker 7: a thing that could happen based on what you believe
[18:28] Speaker 7: your franchise can do with Giannis. If we got him,
[18:32] Speaker 7: are we willing to give up.
[18:33] Speaker 1: X, Y, Z? Like you just said, if it's OKC....
[18:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're.
[18:38] Speaker 1: Not even on that contract yet.
[18:39] Speaker 3: That contract kicks in, I believe, for Chet next season.
[18:42] Speaker 1: Next season. So the trade they're going to do before,
[18:45] Speaker 1: money doesn't match. So they're going to have to lose.
[18:48] Speaker 1: Do you feel like San Francisco can make the money match? Chet,
[18:51] Speaker 1: Jalen Williams.
[18:52] Speaker 3: So you're going to lose.
[18:54] Speaker 5: There's a lot of creative ways.
[18:55] Speaker 1: To make it happen. You go Chet Caruso. Chet Caruso.
[18:59] Speaker 1: Lou Dort. I don't want Caruso. Give me Chet. Give
[19:03] Speaker 1: me them and play. That matches.
[19:05] Speaker 7: You need one more. I think you'll be like five
[19:07] Speaker 7: million short to hit that 54. You need four or five.
[19:11] Speaker 1: Wiggins and one of them niggas. Take one of them niggas.
[19:13] Speaker 1: Take one of them niggas. Take one of them niggas.
[19:15] Speaker 1: They all the same niggas. That's what the role of
[19:19] Speaker 1: money is. Go around.
[19:19] Speaker 6: The money has to match.
[19:21] Speaker 3: The money doesn't match up yet because they just signed
[19:24] Speaker 3: the key.
[19:24] Speaker 1: You can make the money match up.
[19:25] Speaker 2: Harkestine just signed a big deal. Harkestine making 29 mil
[19:28] Speaker 2: this year. I'm just saying, you go him, Chet, and Hark.
[19:30] Speaker 2: So you lose him, Chet, and Hark.
[19:33] Speaker 7: Don't you lose your whole team. No, we still got Caruso.
[19:40] Speaker 7: We still got Wiggins. We still got Joe. We still
[19:43] Speaker 7: got SGA. We still got James Williams.
[19:44] Speaker 1: With Giannis. yes.
[19:47] Speaker 7: But it's not just them because I see we trying
[19:49] Speaker 7: to make it happen with them.
[19:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bunch of teams. I just threw them
[19:53] Speaker 1: out there. You throw the Spurs out there.
[19:55] Speaker 3: Now, on the Spurs, who money matches up?
[19:59] Speaker 1: The whole team?
[20:02] Speaker 5: Gil, it matches up, buddy.
[20:04] Speaker 3: There's ways to make it work. I wouldn't do it
[20:06] Speaker 3: with the Spurs.
[20:06] Speaker 1: I just want to make it work. Now let me
[20:08] Speaker 1: make it work with all them rookies on rookie contracts.
[20:18] Speaker 3: There's other players on the Spurs besides their rookies.
[20:20] Speaker 2: Pull them because you're going to have to pull them off, Fox.
[20:22] Speaker 2: De'Aaron Fox making $ 37 million. Devin Vassell making $ 27 million.
[20:26] Speaker 2: Devin Vassell. Harrison Barnes is making $ 19 million.
[20:30] Speaker 1: I don't want Young. I want Young.
[20:32] Speaker 2: Kelvin Johnson making $ 18 million.
[20:35] Speaker 3: So you got three of them. You got three of them.
[20:37] Speaker 5: There's plenty of teams that can make it happen. I'm
[20:39] Speaker 5: like him. I don't know why no other team is
[20:40] Speaker 5: thinking about making it happen.
[20:42] Speaker 3: Because I'm second in the West, right?
[20:44] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[20:46] Speaker 3: You got to remember, they have to accept my pieces too.
[20:49] Speaker 1: I get it. Right? So I'm second in the West.
[20:52] Speaker 1: This is what my team looks like. Why am I making.
[20:55] Speaker 7: This drastic move? Who has done it in history? But
[20:59] Speaker 7: you're looking for the top two. You're talking about a
[21:01] Speaker 7: Detroit or.
[21:04] Speaker 7: These are teams that are going to be top two,
[21:06] Speaker 7: regardless if they make the move or not.
[21:08] Speaker 1: Let's talk about a Clippers. Let's talk about a 4-5, a.
[21:11] Speaker 7: 6-7 team that can go from 6-7 to 3-4. They
[21:16] Speaker 7: can now compete, like you said. Competing for a championship
[21:20] Speaker 7: is different.
[21:20] Speaker 5: How good do you think Giannis is? If you think
[21:22] Speaker 5: he is good as top three player in the world,
[21:25] Speaker 5: like he's been consensually, then he is worth it.
[21:27] Speaker 1: How many great teams... That started off the season in
[21:34] Speaker 1: championship potential, made a mid-season trade for a drastic number.
[21:38] Speaker 1: Kevin Durant was the biggest name that got traded during
[21:42] Speaker 1: trade deadline. So you don't even need to go back
[21:45] Speaker 1: in history if Kevin Durant was the biggest name. I mean,
[21:48] Speaker 1: Kevin Durant was the first. When he got traded, he
[21:52] Speaker 1: was the biggest name that ever got traded for mid-season.
[21:57] Speaker 1: That means the teams that won championships never made moves
[22:00] Speaker 1: like that.
[22:01] Speaker 3: So if you are thinking your team is that, you're
[22:03] Speaker 3: not going to.
[22:04] Speaker 1: Make a move for a big name like this unless
[22:06] Speaker 1: you're just trying to offload and go, what's the name?
[22:08] Speaker 1: So when you're thinking about Giannis, it's only going to
[22:11] Speaker 1: be the bottom teams. And if you're the bottom teams, yeah,
[22:14] Speaker 1: you're going to make a trade. Now you got to say,
[22:15] Speaker 1: are you willing to stay?
[22:17] Speaker 7: But not necessarily because if it's New York, if it's
[22:20] Speaker 7: the Knicks and we make that move, automatically, where does
[22:25] Speaker 7: that put us?
[22:27] Speaker 1: Puts us in top two. Top two. With Giannis. We
[22:30] Speaker 1: get rid of Cat, Josh Hart, and Andy Noble. OG. OG.
[22:35] Speaker 1: Those three. And what's the name? I want young picks, too.
[22:39] Speaker 1: I don't want these old picks. You don't get young picks.
[22:41] Speaker 1: The Bucs reportedly don't want caps, so it has to
[22:44] Speaker 1: be a three-team trade. You get what we give you.
[22:46] Speaker 1: The Bucs ain't going to want that. But that's the thing.
[22:49] Speaker 1: Do you want to get rid of the guy that's there?
[22:51] Speaker 5: No.
[22:51] Speaker 6: No, because we could just sign him and give him
[22:53] Speaker 6: $ 500 and then he'd stay here.
[22:54] Speaker 5: I want off.
[22:55] Speaker 1: I want off these books. Get me off these books.
[22:58] Speaker 1: You're pretending that he's coming to a team the way
[23:02] Speaker 1: it is.
[23:03] Speaker 3: That team is getting ripped apart.
[23:05] Speaker 1: No, not necessarily because you still got Brunson. You still
[23:08] Speaker 1: got Bridges. You still got McBride. Why not? I don't
[23:13] Speaker 1: want that shit. No, I'm saying New York keeps them. No,
[23:18] Speaker 1: I know you're trying to keep it. I, Milwaukee, don't
[23:21] Speaker 1: want that shit you got giving me. Why are you
[23:23] Speaker 1: giving me your P? I don't want that shit. I
[23:26] Speaker 1: keep telling you. You don't want that? No. Why you
[23:28] Speaker 1: don't want cash? Because I don't want it.
[23:31] Speaker 7: But you got Kuzma. All the shit you got, you
[23:33] Speaker 7: want it? All the shit you got, you want it?
[23:36] Speaker 7: All of a sudden, you don't want what we got.
[23:38] Speaker 7: I got rid of a guy who was in a
[23:40] Speaker 7: wheelchair that got split in half. Motherfucker, you're in this
[23:42] Speaker 7: situation because you asked for all the shit you got.
[23:45] Speaker 7: You're paying two different coaches $ 30 million apiece. You bring
[23:49] Speaker 7: this bum-ass nigga Doc in here to do some more bullshit.
[23:53] Speaker 7: Then you get rid of Dame Lillard, pay him another
[23:55] Speaker 7: $ 100 million.
[23:56] Speaker 5: To go back home.
[23:58] Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck you mean you don't want this shit?
[23:59] Speaker 1: You take what the fuck we give you, man.
[24:02] Speaker 7: I don't want it. I don't want it. You don't
[24:06] Speaker 7: get to fucking come to the fucking front of the
[24:08] Speaker 7: line and.
[24:08] Speaker 1: Say, give me this. No, motherfucker. Take this shit and
[24:11] Speaker 1: get to the fucking back. You know why? Get to
[24:13] Speaker 1: the fucking back. I got this. I got this rose.
[24:16] Speaker 5: I got this rose. I got this.
[24:18] Speaker 1: I got this. And you paying Rolls Royce dollars for it.
[24:21] Speaker 7: This motherfucker just moved to Miami and said, I got
[24:24] Speaker 7: motherfucking keys to a new apartment down here.
[24:27] Speaker 1: I'm not in there. I'm not over there no more.
[24:29] Speaker 1: Y'all don't remember? He just went to the press conference
[24:31] Speaker 1: and said, I'm hurt. Who? Okay. Giannis, I'm hurt. The
[24:36] Speaker 1: doctors didn't say it. Doc didn't say it. He said,
[24:39] Speaker 1: I'm hurt. He knows his body, Rashad.
[24:41] Speaker 5: I don't know if the owner wants to pay him that, though.
[24:44] Speaker 5: I don't know if the Bucks owner don't want to
[24:47] Speaker 5: pay Giannis that. And he knows that, so he can
[24:49] Speaker 5: leverage that. They're going to have to take something that.
[24:51] Speaker 1: They don't like. You know that.
[24:53] Speaker 5: They don't have to get everything they want, but they're
[24:54] Speaker 5: going to have to take something that they don't like.
[24:56] Speaker 5: That owner is not going to pay.
[24:58] Speaker 1: Half a billion dollars. I don't want it. I'm not
[25:00] Speaker 1: taking it. I don't have to take it. Either take
[25:02] Speaker 1: it or pay the man half a billion. Just like
[25:05] Speaker 1: you just did with Dame. You just did with Dame.
[25:07] Speaker 1: You just said. What did you just say? If I
[25:09] Speaker 1: don't want it, I don't have to do what? I
[25:11] Speaker 1: don't have to. I don't have to. Dame, I don't
[25:14] Speaker 1: want it. You got to give me something to get
[25:17] Speaker 1: rid of me, bro. Okay. Same with y'all. Got rid
[25:21] Speaker 1: of him. For nothing.
[25:23] Speaker 3: For nothing.
[25:24] Speaker 1: For nothing. If you're going to get rid of Dame
[25:26] Speaker 1: for nothing, you can go to New York and get
[25:28] Speaker 1: Kat and OG. and McBride or Mitchell Robinson.
[25:38] Speaker 7: You could go get some motherfuckers up there that could
[25:40] Speaker 7: actually help us stay in seven, eight.
[25:43] Speaker 3: I don't want to stay in seven. I want to
[25:44] Speaker 3: be in 12.
[25:45] Speaker 1: Seven, eight. So you're not going to give me pieces
[25:48] Speaker 1: you don't want. I'm going to pick my... I have...
[25:51] Speaker 1: I have... Is it Euros taking over? I have one
[25:56] Speaker 1: of the top five players in the league. You're going
[25:59] Speaker 1: to give me what I want because I don't have
[26:01] Speaker 1: to do nothing. I don't care what he talks about
[26:03] Speaker 1: over here in his different language.
[26:06] Speaker 7: He can be, he can do whatever.
[26:09] Speaker 1: He wants to do.
[26:10] Speaker 7: He can say, oh, I got a sprained knee, cap muscle.
[26:13] Speaker 1: I don't care. My team sucks. The more he don't play,
[26:17] Speaker 1: the better we get in the draft. I really personally
[26:19] Speaker 1: don't care.
[26:19] Speaker 5: As the owner.
[26:21] Speaker 1: Business-wise what I'm not gonna do is I'm not gonna
[26:23] Speaker 1: take a whole bunch of players that I don't want
[26:26] Speaker 1: or don't need So you I'm not in that situation.
[26:28] Speaker 1: Are you taking for a younger? I don't need to
[26:31] Speaker 1: take just don't play him. You remember what? Supermax when
[26:38] Speaker 1: I was Houston, I still had to pay John Wall.
[26:40] Speaker 1: How does my team look now because the John Wall
[26:42] Speaker 1: I said him Hey, I'm gonna pay.
[26:44] Speaker 3: You stay home so we can lose.
[26:45] Speaker 1: I And then I can see these players, I can
[26:48] Speaker 1: see what I want, and then get rid of what
[26:49] Speaker 1: I don't want, and we can get more draft picks.
[26:52] Speaker 5: That's how that started. They're going to pay you on
[26:54] Speaker 5: a $ 60 million a year, $ 70 million a year to
[26:56] Speaker 5: not play? There's no way that owner signed up for that.
[26:58] Speaker 7: He said he has a bruised knee muscle toe cap.
[27:03] Speaker 1: He did not say that.
[27:04] Speaker 7: What he said, he knows. And we believe him. We
[27:08] Speaker 7: stand with him on this. We missed a whole year, right?
[27:13] Speaker 7: Is he going to sign in October?
[27:15] Speaker 1: I personally don't care. You know why?
[27:18] Speaker 3: Because there's one thing these owners never understood.
[27:21] Speaker 5: What's that?
[27:22] Speaker 1: And there's only one person in history that's tested them.
[27:26] Speaker 1: But we can tell you that test wasn't a real
[27:29] Speaker 1: test because he got paid in the back end. The
[27:37] Speaker 1: real thing is this. Free agency comes up. He is unrestricted.
[27:44] Speaker 1: What is the... Remember, the NBA is designed for you
[27:49] Speaker 1: not to leave your team. Okay. So you got $ 400
[27:53] Speaker 1: million from us. You got $ 275 here. That's a decision
[28:01] Speaker 1: you have to make. That's a decision you.
[28:03] Speaker 3: Have to make.
[28:05] Speaker 5: Right?
[28:06] Speaker 1: I don't have to sign you to trade you. If
[28:10] Speaker 1: you that Bozy with your life... You're going to keep
[28:14] Speaker 1: down $ 130 million? That's you. The only person that did
[28:17] Speaker 1: that was Kawhi, but now we know he didn't have
[28:21] Speaker 1: to make a decision because they made it back up
[28:23] Speaker 1: as something else. He was the only person that said,
[28:26] Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a free agent. I'm going to
[28:27] Speaker 1: leave and leave this $ 300 something for two. No one
[28:30] Speaker 1: does it. Everyone gets signed and traded because they want
[28:34] Speaker 1: the money here in that city versus, no, you go
[28:37] Speaker 1: to that city with that money. No one does that.
[28:40] Speaker 2: So Giannis is eligible to sign an extension October 1st
[28:42] Speaker 2: for your $ 275 million. $ 275 million. If he opts not
[28:47] Speaker 2: to sign that extension with the buck, that would be
[28:48] Speaker 2: October 1st if a deal doesn't happen before that. he
[28:51] Speaker 2: can be a free agent summer of 2027. So next summer,
[28:54] Speaker 2: he can opt out of the final year.
[28:55] Speaker 1: Of his deal. He can opt out and then go
[28:57] Speaker 1: wherever he please for less money.
[28:59] Speaker 5: It ain't going to be necessarily less money when you're
[29:01] Speaker 5: a free agent, unrestricted. Wow.
[29:03] Speaker 3: They can't match?
[29:05] Speaker 1: It's all about what they can afford. No, what I'm.
[29:08] Speaker 3: Saying is, you know how the country.
[29:10] Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
[29:10] Speaker 1: The bird rights can always be the most... Yeah, I
[29:12] Speaker 1: get $ 400 here. I get like $ 290 somewhere else if
[29:15] Speaker 1: I'm leaving.
[29:16] Speaker 3: That's a decision your ass is going to have to make.
[29:18] Speaker 1: Like with Cleveland and LeBron.
[29:20] Speaker 3: I said, there's no decision if I'm Cleveland.
[29:23] Speaker 1: I'm not going to sign you to the 120 you
[29:25] Speaker 1: want so you can go to Miami. No, no, go. Go. Go.
[29:30] Speaker 1: That's 90. You can only sign 90 million over there. Go.
[29:33] Speaker 1: And then you save money. Yeah, I save the money.
[29:37] Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is you want the decision. It
[29:40] Speaker 1: was never a decision because I want to go to Miami,
[29:43] Speaker 1: but I want your max. A real decision is go
[29:46] Speaker 1: there for the 90. Turn down the 120.
[29:49] Speaker 7: Do Milwaukee have pieces right now to help Giannis if
[29:52] Speaker 7: they traded the pieces they have to help him?
[29:55] Speaker 1: Do what? Say it again. Does Milwaukee have pieces to
[29:59] Speaker 1: trade that can bring in other players that can help him.
[30:03] Speaker 1: Right now.
[30:04] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[30:05] Speaker 1: They got who?
[30:06] Speaker 5: Huh?
[30:07] Speaker 1: Who?
[30:09] Speaker 3: You can trade Kuzma.
[30:10] Speaker 1: You're going to offer for who?
[30:12] Speaker 7: You're going to trade Kuzma for a Kuzma.
[30:14] Speaker 1: Kuzma for a Kuzma. You're going to get a Kuzma back.
[30:18] Speaker 3: Hold on.
[30:19] Speaker 1: Hold on. Hold on. What the fuck? You can get
[30:22] Speaker 1: rid of, you can trade Kuzma to be a third,
[30:27] Speaker 1: fourth option on a better team.
[30:29] Speaker 3: Then try to make him the second option.
[30:30] Speaker 1: What are you going to get back? That's what I'm asking.
[30:33] Speaker 7: What pieces do we have that's going to help Gianna stay?
[30:37] Speaker 1: Here, I see.
[30:38] Speaker 2: You rubbing your hands together trying to make a fire review.
[30:41] Speaker 1: Those three. Okay, there's one piece I like, and he's
[30:47] Speaker 1: a hidden gem. And if he moved and finally got his.
[30:52] Speaker 3: Ass up out of there, he will help a team.
[30:55] Speaker 3: And his daddy owe me money. Uh-oh.
[30:58] Speaker 5: Who is this player again?
[31:00] Speaker 3: Who is this player? Grant. And in Portland.
[31:05] Speaker 1: Ah.
[31:06] Speaker 7: His daddy owes you money. But you talking about move
[31:10] Speaker 7: Grant to Milwaukee.
[31:11] Speaker 1: No, no, no. I'm not saying move him to Milwaukee,
[31:13] Speaker 1: but that piece right there, that's a golden piece right there.
[31:18] Speaker 5: Oh, 100%.
[31:19] Speaker 1: He can definitely help anybody. I don't know how he's
[31:21] Speaker 1: still high in there. What does that have to do
[31:23] Speaker 1: with Giannis? Oh, uh... I was just thinking about that piece,
[31:29] Speaker 1: but that's a piece.
[31:30] Speaker 7: Ain't no piece on Milwaukee that's worth even that golden goose.
[31:34] Speaker 1: That's a golden goose right there.
[31:37] Speaker 3: What you mean?
[31:37] Speaker 1: So you would have to get rid of what I'm saying.
[31:40] Speaker 1: You got to get rid of Giannis. Miles Bridges? For who, Kuzma?
[31:44] Speaker 1: Not a chance. Not a chance. You don't want Miles Bridges? No,
[31:49] Speaker 1: I do. If I'm Charlotte, I'm not taking Kuzma for
[31:52] Speaker 1: Miles Bridges. You're Charlotte. You know what? But we got another.
[31:58] Speaker 1: He's a golden goose just like Jeremy Gray. No, work
[32:00] Speaker 1: with me here. You remember what you said about Milwaukee,
[32:04] Speaker 1: they should do what? Right? Use that same logic on Charlotte.
[32:09] Speaker 1: You are Charlotte, right? Y'all are Charlotte. Y'all suck. You're
[32:13] Speaker 1: going to take what I give you. So you're going
[32:15] Speaker 1: to take Kuzma. Give me that. That's what you said
[32:18] Speaker 1: about the Bucs. You said that to Charlotte. The Hornets
[32:20] Speaker 1: are currently 11th. The Bucs are 12th. The Bucs are
[32:22] Speaker 1: NBA champions. We still got Brandon Miller. We got Conor.
[32:24] Speaker 1: The Bucs are NBA champions. We got some motherfuckers over
[32:26] Speaker 1: here in Charlotte. That's growing. Yeah, yeah. That's growing. We
[32:29] Speaker 1: want to take those before they become. Yeah. Kuzma, Kevin
[32:35] Speaker 1: Porter Jr., and Bobby Porter. I don't know if I
[32:38] Speaker 1: get rid of Bobby.
[32:38] Speaker 5: If I'm a team, whatever I want to get to
[32:42] Speaker 5: bring Giannis in, I think he that good. So I
[32:44] Speaker 5: don't care what's left with the team.
[32:47] Speaker 1: You don't care what's left with the team?
[32:48] Speaker 5: No, I think Giannis is that good.
[32:49] Speaker 1: This is going to take you, what, two years? One year.
[32:51] Speaker 1: A year. A half a year.
[32:54] Speaker 3: Maybe.
[32:54] Speaker 1: To get players? No.
[32:56] Speaker 3: To make it happen.
[32:56] Speaker 1: He don't need to stack.
[32:57] Speaker 5: He don't need to get the deck stacked like how
[32:59] Speaker 5: he do.
[32:59] Speaker 7: I'm talking about he don't need the deck stacked, but
[33:01] Speaker 7: we watching his team right now.
[33:03] Speaker 5: They terrible.
[33:04] Speaker 1: He don't need a player. He don't need a player.
[33:05] Speaker 1: Terrible and say we don't need to stack that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[33:09] Speaker 1: You're going to need a player.
[33:10] Speaker 5: Just about the players. That's a lot going on Milwaukee.
[33:12] Speaker 1: That's terrible.
[33:13] Speaker 5: It's just the players.
[33:13] Speaker 1: If you took it. That's like taking him.
[33:15] Speaker 7: That's like putting him with a job in Memphis for JJJ.
[33:19] Speaker 1: They terrible. They terrible. No job. Just JJJ and the
[33:29] Speaker 1: rest of them being like that. Wait, wait, wait.
[33:32] Speaker 7: No, I'm saying with just Jaron Jackson Jr. by himself
[33:35] Speaker 7: with Jaq, you know, he coming in and out. So
[33:37] Speaker 7: you just remove JJJ and just put Giannis over.
[33:46] Speaker 3: There?
[33:46] Speaker 5: You think they'd be good?
[33:49] Speaker 7: If you're not trying to get shit back as you
[33:52] Speaker 7: the Bucks, and you're like, I don't know, we're trying
[33:55] Speaker 7: to get some young shit.
[33:56] Speaker 3: I think they'd be tough.
[33:57] Speaker 8: They're going to be tough in that West. I think
[33:59] Speaker 8: anywhere Giannis is going to get tough. Because JJJ's problem
[34:01] Speaker 8: is he don't rebound for big. He sits on the outside, right?
[34:04] Speaker 8: Your guard takes all the hits. Now you got Giannis
[34:07] Speaker 8: taking the hits and they're worried about him and not Joppa.
[34:10] Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Ass breaks, all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[34:12] Speaker 1: It's a different game.
[34:13] Speaker 7: That's Joppa's type of game. But, I mean, that's a
[34:15] Speaker 7: hypothetical that might be extreme. But the fact that we can,
[34:19] Speaker 7: if we're the Bucs, we're like, all right, we're going
[34:23] Speaker 7: to be young and we're going to take our time
[34:25] Speaker 7: with this. but you don't got pieces to move to
[34:28] Speaker 7: bring in to make him a contender with this team, man,
[34:32] Speaker 7: you got to move Giannis. You got to move him now.
[34:35] Speaker 7: You don't wait until the offseason. I'm waiting until the offseason.
[34:38] Speaker 7: You wait until the offseason. The reason you make it
[34:39] Speaker 7: to the offseason is this. How many weeks is left?
[34:42] Speaker 3: In what?
[34:43] Speaker 1: It's next week. It's over, right?
[34:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[34:46] Speaker 1: If I'm trying to change my franchise for the better
[34:50] Speaker 1: in a few years, I can't make a decision this fast.
[34:53] Speaker 5: I don't think that they're just now thinking this.
[34:55] Speaker 1: Exactly. You crazy. They've been taking calls.
[34:58] Speaker 5: They've been taking calls. They've just been listening and hanging up.
[35:02] Speaker 1: Now they're going to be like, you know what?
[35:03] Speaker 5: Let's call that team back from five weeks ago.
[35:05] Speaker 1: That's why nobody else is making no moves.
[35:07] Speaker 5: Everybody's waiting for the move.
[35:10] Speaker 1: Even like somebody like Golden State, right? And you sitting
[35:13] Speaker 1: there thinking like, all right, I'm going to lose, what?
[35:16] Speaker 1: Jimmy probably, Kaminga, I mean, Jimmy, Kaminga, and a pick.
[35:22] Speaker 1: A pick? right? Like, you know, it ain't going to
[35:26] Speaker 1: help me this year to help me next year. I
[35:28] Speaker 1: got to, you know, now I got to figure out
[35:29] Speaker 1: the pieces to be smart and free agency right now.
[35:32] Speaker 1: What does this free agency look like this summer? Right?
[35:35] Speaker 1: All that makes a play. What does this free agency?
[35:38] Speaker 1: Who can I go after to make a play for him?
[35:40] Speaker 1: I got to think about who is free this year.
[35:43] Speaker 1: That makes sense. Or is it the following year?
[35:46] Speaker 5: The team's been doing this.
[35:47] Speaker 1: Is it 2027? That's the big free agent? It's not
[35:49] Speaker 1: this summer.
[35:50] Speaker 3: Next summer.
[35:50] Speaker 1: It's next summer. So I got to make sure my
[35:53] Speaker 1: free agent, I got a lot of money for 2027
[35:56] Speaker 1: because that's when everybody's up. Yo, is Jokic up too? Yes.
[36:00] Speaker 1: Jokic has the potential to be up 2027.
[36:01] Speaker 3: How did the.
[36:02] Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks land Dame Lillard? Was he a free agent? No,
[36:10] Speaker 1: they traded for him.
[36:11] Speaker 5: And it wasn't no wait until the offseason either.
[36:13] Speaker 7: They traded for him, right? Was that trade available throughout
[36:16] Speaker 7: the league? They traded for him in the offseason.
[36:18] Speaker 5: No, I'm saying, but it didn't just start in the offseason.
[36:20] Speaker 5: They had been talking about it. The whole point is
[36:22] Speaker 5: teams have been.
[36:23] Speaker 7: No, no.
[36:24] Speaker 3: Remember, he was going to Miami.
[36:26] Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm getting to.
[36:27] Speaker 3: Giannis came in and stole that.
[36:28] Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting to.
[36:29] Speaker 5: When the trade opened up. He had been trying to
[36:31] Speaker 5: get traded, though.
[36:31] Speaker 1: No, he had been trying to get out.
[36:32] Speaker 5: He had been trying to get traded. Like, it just
[36:34] Speaker 5: come out of nowhere.
[36:34] Speaker 1: It was the talk, yes.
[36:36] Speaker 7: And he was even away from the team type shit. Like,
[36:38] Speaker 7: we're looking to shop Dame.
[36:41] Speaker 1: Yep.
[36:41] Speaker 7: The teams opened up in the league to take these calls.
[36:46] Speaker 7: Why was the Milwaukee Bucks the one team that took
[36:49] Speaker 7: the call? Did it make more sense for Milwaukee to
[36:53] Speaker 7: actually have Dame?
[36:55] Speaker 1: It didn't. Wait, at that time? At that time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
[36:58] Speaker 1: Dame's a top 70. Yeah, of course.
[37:00] Speaker 4: Of course.
[37:00] Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to pass it.
[37:01] Speaker 6: After coming off one in the tip? No, we lost
[37:04] Speaker 6: that next year. So they won it. They lost one year.
[37:08] Speaker 7: But you had the opportunity to get Dame Lillard.
[37:12] Speaker 1: You took it. You took it. What was available? A
[37:16] Speaker 1: top 75 player. What was available in the summer? That trade.
[37:19] Speaker 7: That specific trade when Dame is available for us to
[37:23] Speaker 7: make a move.
[37:24] Speaker 1: Who did they trade for? Who did they give up
[37:27] Speaker 1: for Dame? Drew Holiday and I forgot who else.
[37:33] Speaker 3: It was a three-people trade, right?
[37:35] Speaker 5: They gave up whatever they needed to give up.
[37:37] Speaker 1: Drew went to Boston. Yes, he did.
[37:39] Speaker 7: It was a multi-team deal. Drew went to Portland. He's
[37:44] Speaker 7: in Portland now. No, Drew was in Portland.
[37:47] Speaker 1: He got bought out. He got something happened in Portland.
[37:50] Speaker 1: How he ended up in Boston. Something happened with Drew.
[37:53] Speaker 1: Drew got trade. Was it a straight up trade? It
[37:55] Speaker 1: could have been no straight up because it's not. It
[37:58] Speaker 1: was a three-team deal. Three-team trade.
[38:00] Speaker 2: So Blazers, Bucks, and Suns. Portland got Drew Holiday, DeAndre Ayton,
[38:05] Speaker 2: and Jumaane Kamara. Milwaukee's 20-29 unprotected first-round draft pick. An
[38:10] Speaker 2: unprotected Milwaukee swap right to 20-28 and 20-30.
[38:11] Speaker 3: Suns got Nurkic. Grayson Allen, Nasir Little, Keyon Johnson.
[38:17] Speaker 1: They got rid of Grayson Allen.
[38:19] Speaker 5: But that's what I said.
[38:21] Speaker 1: He went there, and then he got bought out, and
[38:22] Speaker 1: then went to Portland. That's how he got to Portland.
[38:24] Speaker 1: So you see all the shit they moved around for Dame.
[38:27] Speaker 3: Offseason.
[38:28] Speaker 7: Three-team trade, moving around for Dame. And give them away.
[38:35] Speaker 7: Y'all got to make a fucking move. I don't give
[38:37] Speaker 7: a fuck about none of the scrambling, waiting on the offseason.
[38:39] Speaker 7: Y'all have already made these type of moves before.
[38:41] Speaker 1: In the summer, I get to talk to my team.
[38:44] Speaker 1: I get to talk to the different teams I have
[38:45] Speaker 1: allies with. Like he said, we've been having these conversations.
[38:48] Speaker 1: People have been waiting for Giannis for two or three years.
[38:50] Speaker 1: They've been waiting to hear. They've been waiting to hear.
[38:53] Speaker 1: He's ready to go. He's ready to go. They've been
[38:54] Speaker 1: waiting for years, bro. If I'm Detroit, listen, the only
[38:57] Speaker 1: team that if I can do it, I'm doing it,
[39:01] Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons. If I'm Detroit Pistons, I'm going to say this.
[39:08] Speaker 3: I have Cade. Then I got this team.
[39:15] Speaker 1: Right? No facts.
[39:16] Speaker 5: Cade has this team here.
[39:23] Speaker 1: If I can get Giannis, as long as I have Cade,
[39:32] Speaker 1: take what you want. Now I got Cade and Giannis.
[39:37] Speaker 1: Two years from now, I think I'm competing for a championship. So, Thompson? Nah,
[39:42] Speaker 1: you keep it twin. You got to get rid of twin.
[39:46] Speaker 1: You got to get rid of Stewart, and you got
[39:48] Speaker 1: to get rid of Durden. I take that trade. All right.
[39:52] Speaker 1: I take that trade. For sure.
[39:54] Speaker 5: They got to keep twin or hop.
[39:56] Speaker 1: They got to keep one of them. I got to
[39:57] Speaker 1: keep twin. No, but remember, I keep, I get the,
[39:59] Speaker 1: I keep. Twin is an asset. What I'm saying, I
[40:01] Speaker 1: keep hollies and stuff. But then remember, what's the name
[40:03] Speaker 1: that comes off the books? Who? Tobias Harris. Oh, that's
[40:07] Speaker 1: who you throw away. No, I don't need to. You
[40:09] Speaker 1: don't need to? You take these young pieces you want to.
[40:11] Speaker 1: And then we get him off the books.
[40:12] Speaker 5: Off the books, then I can sign another person in
[40:14] Speaker 5: the store.
[40:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[40:17] Speaker 5: Because you said two years.
[40:18] Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying?
[40:20] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I'm giving myself. That's right away. Yeah,
[40:22] Speaker 1: that's right away. I'm giving myself two years just in
[40:25] Speaker 1: case I miss. But as long as I got them
[40:27] Speaker 1: two in some of these pieces, and then Tobias comes out,
[40:31] Speaker 1: then I can sign some more. That's the only thing
[40:34] Speaker 1: because I'm not losing a star for a star. Right.
[40:38] Speaker 7: I'm losing the potential. You're losing what they're asking for.
[40:41] Speaker 7: They're asking for younger. They're asking for the young shit.
[40:44] Speaker 1: That's not even potential.
[40:45] Speaker 3: That's not like Spurs where I'm sitting here.
[40:47] Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's what's good. Wayne Thompson is potential for sure.
[40:52] Speaker 1: He's future. He's future. That's what I said. I mean,
[40:54] Speaker 1: that one would hurt.
[40:55] Speaker 7: The only reason he looked the way he look is
[40:57] Speaker 7: because he's playing on Detroit right now.
[40:58] Speaker 1: That one would hurt, but I got Giannis. I would
[41:02] Speaker 1: lose it for Giannis. I would lose it for Giannis.
[41:06] Speaker 6: Because, listen, we're about to have all that money because
[41:10] Speaker 6: Tobias is gone.
[41:11] Speaker 1: So we can get two of them.
[41:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not making enough bread, though. But that's what
[41:15] Speaker 3: I'm saying.
[41:16] Speaker 1: What is Stewart making? 15. Yeah.
[41:19] Speaker 2: So you'd have to conclude Tobias for that bread. I
[41:23] Speaker 2: think four to five draft picks. It's expiring anyway. Listen,
[41:26] Speaker 2: I'm blowing my teeth. I don't care what it is.
[41:29] Speaker 1: But that's the only thing that makes sense. That could
[41:31] Speaker 1: go right away when they do it. You don't lose nothing.
[41:36] Speaker 3: In a sense, to be great.
[41:37] Speaker 1: Like, I can lose these flash pieces, have a decent year,
[41:41] Speaker 1: and then boom, we're contenders because now I got two megastars.
[41:46] Speaker 7: I got two megastars now.
[41:49] Speaker 3: Young.
[41:50] Speaker 1: Ivy over there.
[41:51] Speaker 3: Yes, I get to keep little things like that.
[41:53] Speaker 7: Sasser. Sasser's still over there. Yeah, they got some pieces.
[41:57] Speaker 7: If I'm Spurs, they're probably the one team. Spurs makes
[42:00] Speaker 7: me think.
[42:01] Speaker 1: I got too much now.
[42:03] Speaker 3: I got too much.
[42:03] Speaker 5: You don't want to stunt Wimby.
[42:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, I would do it for Wimby.
[42:06] Speaker 5: They got Wimby believing he the best player in the world,
[42:08] Speaker 5: and Giannis is like the best player in the world, too.
[42:10] Speaker 5: So you don't want to mess that up. No, I'm
[42:11] Speaker 5: not going to mess it up.
[42:12] Speaker 3: I'm going to just be real. You a point guard, dog.
[42:17] Speaker 3: You the shit they build on 2K, right?
[42:19] Speaker 1: You seven-foot point guard, 99 pass.
[42:22] Speaker 3: You want to dribble and bop.
[42:24] Speaker 1: Cool. I got a motherfucker who about to hit this rim. Thanks.
[42:27] Speaker 1: You're going to do you. You're going to turn it
[42:28] Speaker 1: to what you're, but what I know, what I know
[42:30] Speaker 1: you're not right now is I give you that ball
[42:33] Speaker 1: and you're going to get a bucket down low. Not him.
[42:35] Speaker 1: You want to be, you want to be the point guard.
[42:37] Speaker 5: You're not 30 points a game on 65% shooting.
[42:40] Speaker 1: You're a 7'4 point guard right now. Right, right.
[42:42] Speaker 7: So I want to get some guy, have you, whatever
[42:44] Speaker 7: that son is.
[42:45] Speaker 1: That's nightmarish. Yes.
[42:47] Speaker 7: If you go do it that way, play on the perimeter.
[42:50] Speaker 1: Yes. It's play point. Me and you pick and roll.
[42:54] Speaker 1: It's a block party.
[42:55] Speaker 5: That's a nasty block party at the rim.
[42:57] Speaker 3: I like the Detroit one.
[42:59] Speaker 1: The Detroit one I'm in love with. Those are the
[43:01] Speaker 1: only two teams that's having great success and nobody's really
[43:05] Speaker 1: developed where they get to sit back and say, all right, look,
[43:09] Speaker 1: do you like Harper or... You know, Castle.
[43:15] Speaker 3: Like, we got to pick one.
[43:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, they have potential. Yeah, I got to sit here
[43:19] Speaker 1: and play the game.
[43:20] Speaker 5: They got all the potential.
[43:21] Speaker 1: So I get to play that game with them and
[43:23] Speaker 1: then give them something where they're like, you know what?
[43:25] Speaker 3: We can do... How about Castle and Razzle?
[43:29] Speaker 7: What about a three-team trade with the three?
[43:32] Speaker 3: With all three?
[43:32] Speaker 1: Detroit, Milwaukee, and the Spurs. Moving all three of them
[43:36] Speaker 1: pieces around.
[43:36] Speaker 3: Hey, I can tell you who can make a deal, too.
[43:43] Speaker 1: Houston.
[43:44] Speaker 3: I was about to say Houston.
[43:45] Speaker 1: I was about to say them a while ago. We
[43:47] Speaker 1: was talking in the beginning. Houston needs a point guard, man.
[43:50] Speaker 1: They can move a lot of pieces down.
[43:52] Speaker 3: I have so many 6'11, 6'10.
[43:54] Speaker 1: Long-ass 6'11. You know what I mean? I got so many.
[43:59] Speaker 1: So if I'm Houston, I would sit back and wait
[44:03] Speaker 1: and say, all right, hey, look, I got this. I
[44:06] Speaker 1: can put combos of 6'11 for you. To make a deal.
[44:11] Speaker 1: And I got a guard. I got Shepard, too. If
[44:12] Speaker 1: you want him, do you like him? Hey.
[44:15] Speaker 4: I have.
[44:15] Speaker 5: Hey.
[44:16] Speaker 1: I got so many pieces here. Keep Fred. Keep Fred.
[44:21] Speaker 1: Go ahead. Yeah.
[44:22] Speaker 3: All right. Well, that's what I'm saying.
[44:26] Speaker 1: Fred KD. I can get rid of Sangoon. I can
[44:30] Speaker 1: get rid of Sangoon. No, what I'm saying is you can.
[44:32] Speaker 3: Keep Sangoon, KD, and what's the name?
[44:35] Speaker 1: No, you keep them. If they need them, they can
[44:38] Speaker 1: have them.
[44:38] Speaker 5: What about Jabari and the Thompson?
[44:40] Speaker 3: I can get rid of Jabari, Eason. I can get
[44:42] Speaker 3: rid of them.
[44:44] Speaker 1: Jabari, Eason, and Sangoon, yeah. Only person I'm like, I'm
[44:48] Speaker 1: not getting off of, if I'm not getting off of, hey, man.
[44:51] Speaker 5: Who's going to shoot on that team? You need somebody
[44:54] Speaker 5: other than KD.
[44:55] Speaker 1: Hey, man, you're asking too many questions.
[44:59] Speaker 7: We're going to figure it out. We're going to figure
[45:01] Speaker 7: it out. I'm not going to worry about it.
[45:03] Speaker 1: You know what? At this moment in time, the way
[45:04] Speaker 1: college is going basketball, I'll get a 28-year-old.
[45:08] Speaker 7: A 28-year-old that's going to come into the draft.
[45:11] Speaker 1: That can shoot a jump shot at that point. Let's
[45:14] Speaker 1: keep this thing moving.
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[46:26] Speaker 2: Saturday was a special night in Chicago with the Bulls
[46:28] Speaker 2: retiring Derrick Rose's number one jersey. We got some video
[46:32] Speaker 2: of the momentous occasion ceremony took place after the Bulls
[46:35] Speaker 2: win over the Celtics with Rose joined by family, friends,
[46:38] Speaker 2: some of his former Bulls teammates and his former head
[46:40] Speaker 2: coach Tom Thibodeau. Rose is the fifth player in Bulls
[46:43] Speaker 2: franchise history to have their jersey retired, joining Jerry Sloan,
[46:47] Speaker 2: Bob Love, Michael Jordan, and Scottie Pippen. D. Rose selected
[46:50] Speaker 2: the number one overall pick by the Bulls in 2008,
[46:52] Speaker 2: spent his first eight seasons in the league in Chicago,
[46:55] Speaker 2: where he was Rookie of the Year three-time All-Star and
[46:57] Speaker 2: the youngest MVP in NBA history when he won the
[47:00] Speaker 2: award in 2011. In his career with the Bulls, D.
[47:02] Speaker 2: Rose averaged 20 points, six assists, four rebounds, while leading
[47:06] Speaker 2: the team to the playoffs in six of the seven
[47:08] Speaker 2: seasons he played, including the conference finals in his MVP season.
[47:12] Speaker 3: So Gil, start with you.
[47:13] Speaker 1: Thank you. Can we get some smoke for Derrick Rose, please?
[47:15] Speaker 5: Shout out to Derrick Rose.
[47:18] Speaker 1: Show your love.
[47:22] Speaker 2: Chicago legend. What does Derrick Rose mean to the Bulls
[47:24] Speaker 2: and the city of Chicago?
[47:26] Speaker 1: Listen, I don't live in Chicago.
[47:28] Speaker 3: Let me just be honest.
[47:29] Speaker 1: I don't live there, so.
[47:31] Speaker 3: I wouldn't really know no.
[47:33] Speaker 1: But from, you know, Chicago Bulls fans, Derrick Rose is Chicago.
[47:40] Speaker 1: He is. He is the son of Chicago. When you're
[47:44] Speaker 1: talking about, like, grew up there, from there, right? They
[47:50] Speaker 1: watched him be a superstar middle school, high school, and
[47:56] Speaker 1: in the NBA, right? Those fans had someone that really
[48:02] Speaker 1: put Chicago on the map from the city, right? It's
[48:07] Speaker 1: not like somebody who grew up somewhere else and came
[48:09] Speaker 1: in here and performed. He performed for us. He was
[48:12] Speaker 1: here with us. So like he means like when someone
[48:15] Speaker 1: said he's he means more to Chicago than Jordan. I
[48:21] Speaker 1: can understand if you take out MJ the name and
[48:24] Speaker 1: they won six championships and you're talking about somebody who
[48:26] Speaker 1: grew up in Chicago or Chicago in. Derrick Rose will
[48:32] Speaker 1: mean more because you identify with him. All of Southside
[48:35] Speaker 1: identifies with him. He is their son. He grew up right.
[48:40] Speaker 3: We see him.
[48:42] Speaker 1: He's not some NBA superstar that's coming in and we
[48:44] Speaker 1: come to the games and watch him. We watched him
[48:46] Speaker 1: grow up running down the street. He's in his neighborhood.
[48:50] Speaker 1: He grew up in Southside.
[48:51] Speaker 2: So to your point, during a recent episode of his show,
[48:53] Speaker 2: Draymond Green had this to say about what Derrick Rose
[48:56] Speaker 2: means to Chicago.
[48:57] Speaker 9: There's not one bigger person in the city of Chicago
[49:00] Speaker 9: than Derrick Rose.
[49:01] Speaker 1: Make no mistake about it. You heard what I said.
[49:03] Speaker 9: There is not one bigger person that means more to
[49:08] Speaker 9: the city of Chicago than Derrick Rose. With all due
[49:11] Speaker 9: respect to MJ, I love MJ. We all want him
[49:15] Speaker 9: to be like Mike. Doesn't mean more to the city
[49:17] Speaker 9: of Chicago than Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose is everything. Derrick
[49:21] Speaker 9: Rose stops crime. Derrick Rose can walk around Chicago, no problem.
[49:25] Speaker 9: But man, youngest MVP in league history, right in the
[49:28] Speaker 9: Chicago Bulls jersey. When Chicago Bulls was struggling for years
[49:31] Speaker 9: after Mike, Derrick Rose came and saved the franchise.
[49:35] Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't mean like that. He's sounding not like that.
[49:39] Speaker 5: He just went overboard.
[49:41] Speaker 1: Like, like, like, like, like, walk down Chicago.
[49:45] Speaker 3: MJ can't walk down Chicago.
[49:47] Speaker 1: MJ's not going nowhere in Chicago. He can't walk down here. Statue,
[49:52] Speaker 1: whole statue. You know the music that comes on? You
[49:55] Speaker 1: know that? 6'6, not from Chicago. From North Carolina. What
[50:04] Speaker 1: the fuck are we talking about? I get it. I
[50:07] Speaker 1: ain't even going to get into it. Because I ain't
[50:09] Speaker 1: from Chicago. But I heard Chicago niggas talking about Michael Jordan.
[50:12] Speaker 1: I mean, that's all I hear about.
[50:14] Speaker 5: I think it's two separate conversations, though. There's an emotional
[50:18] Speaker 5: attachment to the south side of Chicago, where he's from.
[50:22] Speaker 5: Other parts of Chicago, it might be a little different. Well,
[50:25] Speaker 5: it is different. But for the hood in Chicago, Derrick
[50:29] Speaker 5: Rose is... Like, everything he was saying he is. Like,
[50:32] Speaker 5: to the hood, to where the streets where he came from.
[50:34] Speaker 5: But y'all gotta remember, Chicago was more than just the
[50:35] Speaker 5: South Side. When you're talking about Jordan, you're talking about
[50:39] Speaker 5: a whole economy. A whole economy.
[50:42] Speaker 1: You're talking about the state.
[50:46] Speaker 5: And it's not that Derrick Rose ain't box office and
[50:48] Speaker 5: all that, because he is. But, like, I think it's
[50:50] Speaker 5: just two separate things. I think Jordan is Jordan. And
[50:53] Speaker 5: Derrick Rose is Derrick Rose. And when you're talking about
[50:55] Speaker 5: being from the hood, coming from the concrete, from the struggle... Emotionally,
[50:59] Speaker 5: it's a different tie if you're from where he's from
[51:02] Speaker 5: versus Jordan. But be no mistake, ain't nobody bigger than
[51:05] Speaker 5: Jordan in Chicago.
[51:06] Speaker 1: Has any player, okay, outside of Derrick Rose, has any
[51:09] Speaker 1: player homegrown played in that same city and been great
[51:13] Speaker 1: in that city?
[51:14] Speaker 5: The closest is Bron, but he wasn't actually from Cleveland.
[51:17] Speaker 3: He was from Akron.
[51:18] Speaker 1: Bron was right down the street. I was from right
[51:21] Speaker 1: down the street. Isaiah Thomas.
[51:24] Speaker 3: No, Detroit in Chicago.
[51:25] Speaker 7: I'm just saying that if you're going to say Bron...
[51:28] Speaker 7: Like Isaiah's from Chicago, playing Detroit.
[51:30] Speaker 5: But no, I mean, Akron is close to Cleveland. He
[51:34] Speaker 5: lived halfway. He lived in Akron. He'd go to Cleveland
[51:37] Speaker 5: every day. But that was it?
[51:39] Speaker 3: Like Long Beach, basically? That close? How far is Akron
[51:44] Speaker 3: to Cleveland?
[51:45] Speaker 5: He had a house. His house was in Bath County,
[51:48] Speaker 5: in between Akron and Cleveland. He never lived really in Cleveland.
[51:52] Speaker 5: That's how close it is.
[51:53] Speaker 3: He was not rocking with Cleveland like that? Nobody was
[51:56] Speaker 3: in Cleveland?
[51:57] Speaker 1: No. No, D.
[51:59] Speaker 3: Wade isn't Miami.
[52:00] Speaker 1: Like, D.
[52:00] Speaker 3: Wade didn't play for us. Like, if D. Wade had
[52:02] Speaker 3: his NBA career in Chicago, that's it.
[52:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been.
[52:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, feel like this.
[52:07] Speaker 1: You have to be, you have to mean so much
[52:14] Speaker 1: to the city of Chicago.
[52:17] Speaker 3: If they retired your jersey.
[52:20] Speaker 1: Right? You're talking about the fifth. Not the fifth best
[52:25] Speaker 1: in the franchise. So this has nothing to do with
[52:27] Speaker 1: his basketball stats. We're talking about the human himself. So
[52:33] Speaker 1: the human, what he meant, what he means to the
[52:37] Speaker 1: city overweighed the basketball element of it. So when you
[52:42] Speaker 1: look up there, you're not looking at stats.
[52:45] Speaker 3: You're looking at the city. This is the city.
[52:48] Speaker 1: When you look at that, They're going to say, I
[52:50] Speaker 1: know Derrick Rose is from here. Right, right.
[52:54] Speaker 3: The rest is visitors. He's homegrown.
[52:57] Speaker 1: Right.
[52:57] Speaker 3: That hits different.
[52:59] Speaker 1: In Chicago, the Bulls are different too.
[53:01] Speaker 5: To say what he means to Chicago versus what he
[53:03] Speaker 5: means to the Bulls, that's also different.
[53:05] Speaker 2: I think MJ and D-Rose are the only players to
[53:06] Speaker 2: win MVP at Chicago Bulls, if I'm not mistaken. So
[53:10] Speaker 2: you could put them on that level for what he
[53:12] Speaker 2: would do at the moment. Does this love affair happen
[53:14] Speaker 2: if he doesn't win the MVP?
[53:17] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[53:18] Speaker 5: I'll be honest.
[53:19] Speaker 1: For the hood, yes. But for the Chicago Bulls, no.
[53:22] Speaker 7: It puts him in contention of potential. Like, what we
[53:25] Speaker 7: could have done had he not ever gotten hurt.
[53:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. Nah, they love that man, period. He ain't even
[53:30] Speaker 1: had to win that MVP. Like, just that season, he
[53:33] Speaker 1: don't win the MVP.
[53:34] Speaker 5: The city of Chicago where he's from feels that way.
[53:36] Speaker 1: The Bulls.
[53:37] Speaker 5: If he didn't have that MVP.
[53:38] Speaker 1: He got to win that MVP and go up there.
[53:39] Speaker 1: If he don't win that MVP, they don't do that.
[53:41] Speaker 1: They ain't putting him up there. For the Chicago Bulls,
[53:42] Speaker 1: the city, for sure.
[53:43] Speaker 5: But for the Bulls, he ain't going up there unless
[53:45] Speaker 5: he won that, the youngest MVP ever.
[53:46] Speaker 7: We talk about what the MVP meant. Like, youngest ever,
[53:50] Speaker 7: Hall of Fame, automatically. Like, that's a thing, right? So
[53:56] Speaker 7: if we take... I'm not going to.
[53:59] Speaker 1: Take that away.
[53:59] Speaker 7: I don't want you to take it. You know what
[54:02] Speaker 7: I'm saying? If you don't win that, the love affair
[54:05] Speaker 7: is different.
[54:06] Speaker 1: No, I can give you a real reality, though. Nobody
[54:09] Speaker 1: really pay attention to this. Donors are human, right? Most
[54:16] Speaker 1: owners are.
[54:18] Speaker 3: Right? Most humans are.
[54:19] Speaker 5: Coggle owners are tough, too. They shrewd a little bit.
[54:21] Speaker 1: And this is why sometimes numbers don't mean everything. Relationships do.
[54:31] Speaker 1: As the owner of the team, right? My relationship with
[54:37] Speaker 1: Derrick Rose is why I'm putting him there. Who was
[54:43] Speaker 1: this man to me personally? Right?
[54:47] Speaker 3: That's what people don't put into relationships. any equation, right?
[54:51] Speaker 1: We don't know what Derrick Rose, we don't know, hey,
[54:53] Speaker 1: how you doing? Like, we don't know what the relationship,
[54:56] Speaker 1: the relationship had to be so good, though, the fact
[54:59] Speaker 1: that he's in, he's there, right?
[55:02] Speaker 3: I mean, that's, and then we never put that in perspective. Like,
[55:05] Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
[55:06] Speaker 1: Like, if I own a team and this is my
[55:08] Speaker 1: guy and he's doing everything for the city, he's out
[55:09] Speaker 1: there being me, an extension of me, and it's time
[55:13] Speaker 1: to pay him or put him there, right? Like, I
[55:16] Speaker 1: can only go off of, I'm not looking, the stats
[55:18] Speaker 1: don't matter.
[55:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have the youngest MVP in NBA history
[55:21] Speaker 2: still to this day. But what I'm saying, at that point,
[55:23] Speaker 2: don't you cement yourself as the owner?
[55:27] Speaker 3: Like, no matter what happens after this.
[55:29] Speaker 1: I put whoever the fuck I want in my building.
[55:33] Speaker 1: That's what you're not realizing. I put whoever, I can
[55:36] Speaker 1: put whoever in my building. So if I have a relationship,
[55:39] Speaker 1: we didn't win nothing, but he was a good-ass human being.
[55:44] Speaker 1: and that's what I fuck with, then he's going to
[55:46] Speaker 1: go up there. That's a symbol of what I am.
[55:49] Speaker 1: You don't have to win a ring.
[55:51] Speaker 2: Not even a superstar, except we look at Udonis Haslam,
[55:53] Speaker 2: what he meant to the.
[55:53] Speaker 3: Miami Heat, right? Undrafted.
[55:54] Speaker 5: He up there.
[55:55] Speaker 1: Played 20 years with us. He's up there. But what
[55:57] Speaker 1: he means to the city of Miami. You can sit
[55:58] Speaker 1: there and look at all the stats all he want.
[56:00] Speaker 1: None of that means. We got two of them because
[56:04] Speaker 1: he took a pay cut. What he did for them.
[56:06] Speaker 5: I don't know. He the all-time rebounder. I don't know
[56:10] Speaker 5: if he would go up there if he wasn't the
[56:11] Speaker 5: all-time leading rebounder. You got to have something on the court.
[56:15] Speaker 1: You got to have something. You know what I got?
[56:16] Speaker 1: Because Kirk Howard would definitely be up there if it
[56:19] Speaker 1: was up there.
[56:19] Speaker 3: You know what I got up there from you, D?
[56:20] Speaker 1: Who? Kirk Howard.
[56:22] Speaker 3: I got two rings. Them two rings I.
[56:25] Speaker 1: Got is because I took a pick up for LeBron
[56:27] Speaker 1: James and Basha get hit.
[56:28] Speaker 5: He got three rings.
[56:29] Speaker 1: That's what I got. But that's what I had. That's
[56:31] Speaker 1: what I did.
[56:32] Speaker 5: He did do that.
[56:32] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan didn't do shit.
[56:34] Speaker 3: He up there, too.
[56:35] Speaker 7: Michael Jordan didn't do shit for Miami, but beat their
[56:39] Speaker 7: ass a lot of times.
[56:40] Speaker 1: He up there. Whooping their ass. Put your ass up there.
[56:42] Speaker 1: Whooping their ass. That's a different kind of respect.
[56:46] Speaker 7: That's a different kind of respect.
[56:47] Speaker 1: God damn. He's just shining that motherfucker. The reason I
[56:50] Speaker 1: say people don't think about the human aspect of it
[56:53] Speaker 1: is because When I was a free agent, my knee
[57:10] Speaker 1: already had knee problems, right? The general manager offered me
[57:15] Speaker 1: 86 million, five years, or six years, 86 million, right?
[57:21] Speaker 1: Low balled out the gate. I said, well, that's good.
[57:25] Speaker 1: Golden State already offered me the max. So y'all think
[57:29] Speaker 1: about that. I'm about to go overseas, do my tour,
[57:33] Speaker 1: And then when y'all get your minds right, holla at me.
[57:36] Speaker 1: So basically I held them hostage for 10 days because
[57:40] Speaker 1: they couldn't spend their money because I was out of
[57:42] Speaker 1: the country, right? A couple hours later, Abe Poland called
[57:49] Speaker 1: me and said, I don't know what they were talking about.
[57:53] Speaker 1: The max is yours. I don't care what they said
[57:55] Speaker 1: about your knee. That has no bearing on me. Me
[57:59] Speaker 1: and you had a relationship. I told you, you get
[58:05] Speaker 1: me out of this Jordan situation, I'm taking care of you.
[58:08] Speaker 1: Whatever your contract is, it's yours. Fool. You don't have
[58:13] Speaker 1: to negotiate with anybody. Whatever you want, if you want
[58:16] Speaker 1: to save some for your teammates, if you don't, that's
[58:18] Speaker 1: up to you. The max, whatever that number is, 111, 127,
[58:22] Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's yours. Enjoy your vacation. Don't worry
[58:26] Speaker 1: about none of these people here. I can fire them.
[58:29] Speaker 7: That was his conversation. He said, what you mean to
[58:32] Speaker 7: me is more important than the numbers.
[58:35] Speaker 5: That's what Mickey did for D-Wade.
[58:36] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[58:37] Speaker 5: And that's why he made sure he came back to me.
[58:38] Speaker 3: And that's how that looks.
[58:39] Speaker 1: So I know there's a human element to, you know,
[58:44] Speaker 1: everybody's not paper book, right? There's people out here that's
[58:48] Speaker 1: sitting there like, yo, how the fuck would I do this?
[58:51] Speaker 5: That's rare, though.
[58:52] Speaker 1: That's rare.
[58:53] Speaker 3: Mark Cuban's like that with his players?
[58:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:56] Speaker 4: Right?
[58:56] Speaker 5: That's super rare. But you got to be... But you
[58:59] Speaker 5: put up 27 a game. He wouldn't have did that
[59:01] Speaker 5: if he was out there putting up 15 a game.
[59:03] Speaker 1: Be clear. Be clear. He liked you, but he liked
[59:09] Speaker 1: the fact that you was.
[59:09] Speaker 7: 8-0, selling out jerseys.
[59:13] Speaker 5: He liked all of that.
[59:14] Speaker 1: Nah, but you know what he said, because no free
[59:17] Speaker 1: agent was going there. So he said, if you come
[59:19] Speaker 1: here and you can have them stop talking about Michael
[59:23] Speaker 1: Jordan and me not signing him, I'm indebted to you.
[59:27] Speaker 5: All right.
[59:30] Speaker 1: Make the playoffs? He's good.
[59:32] Speaker 3: They ain't talking about Michael Jordan and what I did.
[59:34] Speaker 5: I'm good.
[59:34] Speaker 6: Since they love D-Rose so much in Chicago, do you
[59:39] Speaker 6: think they should give him a statue?
[59:42] Speaker 3: I'll think about it.
[59:44] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[59:46] Speaker 5: I think the statue is not even about the Bulls.
[59:48] Speaker 5: If you do a statue, it's not about the Bulls.
[59:50] Speaker 5: It's about the city of Chicago. For Chicago, not for
[59:53] Speaker 5: the Bulls. I think for the city of Chicago, he
[59:56] Speaker 5: should have one.
[59:57] Speaker 7: Similar to D-Way, similar to A.I., in Philly.
[1:00:01] Speaker 3: Can it be bigger than... It can be a rose.
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: It can be a rose, you know, a little rose.
[1:00:05] Speaker 6: I think him jumping, but I just think because he's
[1:00:09] Speaker 6: from Chicago, and like they said, he's Chicago, so.
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: It's like a kid that... I'll take it to the fans. Huh?
[1:00:15] Speaker 3: I'll take it to the fans.
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: Ask the fans? If I'm the owner, I'll ask the fans.
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: If I'm in the fans, I would want a D.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: Rose statue. Yeah, that's what I said. I mean, the
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: Bulls were nothing.
[1:00:26] Speaker 5: Until he got there. He's like the disconnect from like,
[1:00:28] Speaker 5: because you got to think, when people think the Bulls,
[1:00:30] Speaker 5: they automatically now, because of D. Rose, they think Southside
[1:00:33] Speaker 5: and all that. But the Bulls are like the elite,
[1:00:35] Speaker 5: not even really in Chicago type. He bridged that gap
[1:00:39] Speaker 5: to where you got people that's from the hood that
[1:00:41] Speaker 5: actually like and mess with the other side of Chicago,
[1:00:45] Speaker 5: the suburb side. So I think that's the value D.
[1:00:47] Speaker 5: Rose brings, which like Mike was both. The hood loved Mike.
[1:00:51] Speaker 5: You know, the other side love Mike. Everybody love Mike. D.
[1:00:54] Speaker 5: Rose brought that edginess from the hood to mainstream to
[1:00:59] Speaker 5: where it's respected. And so I think that's why he
[1:01:01] Speaker 5: brings so much and didn't say a word while he
[1:01:03] Speaker 5: did it. So I think he means more to the
[1:01:05] Speaker 5: city of Chicago versus the Bulls. It's a separation to
[1:01:08] Speaker 5: me between Bulls and the city of Chicago. And that's
[1:01:11] Speaker 5: why I think he should get a statue, not for
[1:01:12] Speaker 5: what he did necessarily for the Bulls, but for everything.
[1:01:15] Speaker 6: For every young kid coming up from Chicago.
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he came from here.
[1:01:19] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: And it'd be a positive look for the city of Chicago.
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: Hell yeah. Especially from how the outside look at Chicago.
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: Hell yeah. Especially the south side.
[1:01:32] Speaker 6: You let me play for the Lakers. Is he the
[1:01:33] Speaker 6: most positive thing? Is he the most positive thing? Is
[1:01:35] Speaker 6: he the most positive thing that actually came out of Chicago?
[1:01:38] Speaker 3: Athlete-wise.
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: Period.
[1:01:40] Speaker 5: It's hard to say period.
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: I mean, you got.
[1:01:50] Speaker 5: Barack Obama came out of there. I mean, you got presidents.
[1:01:52] Speaker 3: Barack again?
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, Chicago, yeah. From Chicago.
[1:01:55] Speaker 5: Michelle from Chicago.
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: Malcolm X.
[1:01:57] Speaker 5: It's other people. They have, I mean, Chicago's a big city.
[1:02:00] Speaker 5: It's other people that do good stuff out of Chicago.
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm just thinking like, you said Oprah. Oprah, yeah.
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: I'm thinking, I'm thinking like the rappers and all that stuff.
[1:02:08] Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
[1:02:08] Speaker 5: I was about to say, it's the successful people that
[1:02:09] Speaker 5: come out of Chicago.
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: Basketball though.
[1:02:11] Speaker 5: He probably is the biggest athlete probably to come out the.
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: Cleanest to D-Ray Davis.
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, oh D-Ray in there.
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: We're not a hormone legend.
[1:02:34] Speaker 5: Isaiah from there? He's from the west side, though.
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: Come on. Come on, y'all. Kanye, right?
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: Kanye, for sure.
[1:02:38] Speaker 5: Yeah, be clear on that.
[1:02:40] Speaker 1: But when I say this, the guy never been in trouble.
[1:02:43] Speaker 3: There's a difference.
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: Kanye wasn't in trouble. The guy's never in trouble, but
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: it's Kanye. No one said, but it's Kanye.
[1:02:51] Speaker 3: Oh, no.
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: First of all, Kanye never been in trouble. There's Ye.
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: There's Ye. There's a bunch of other niggas.
[1:02:58] Speaker 7: You don't even know who this recent nigga is.
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: We don't know. That's a whole nother one. Backpack Kanye.
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: We all know the word of bear and shit.
[1:03:10] Speaker 3: He the type of person to say that.
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: Me, Kanye West never been in trouble. Yeah.
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: He said some wild shit.
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: So, there's been some discourse around this. You had Reggie
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: Miller who said, I think D. Rose and LeBron were
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: battling for the top spot in the league for six
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: to eight years. We talked about this before the show. Yeah,
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: this Reggie Miller, Reginald Miller.
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: How many years?
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: Six to eight, I don't know. What? The math is
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: a little off. You know, as you get older in life.
[1:03:34] Speaker 5: He was off. He was tripped off.
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: The math was a little off.
[1:03:36] Speaker 5: He a little older.
[1:03:37] Speaker 3: I didn't hear what he said.
[1:03:38] Speaker 5: Yeah, listen to what he said.
[1:03:40] Speaker 3: But he said basically what D.
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: Rose and LeBron were battling for the top player in
[1:03:44] Speaker 2: the league for like a six to eight year period.
[1:03:46] Speaker 3: That's neither here nor there. That's not the point of
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: this conversation. Shout out Reggie Miller.
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: Well, I was in the league then, so we know.
[1:03:52] Speaker 3: Southern California legend.
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: And we've talked about this before, but looking back on D.
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: Rose's career, look at the Hall of Fame, right?
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame is your entire body of work
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: in basketball, not just what you did as a professional. D.
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: Rose, McDonald's All-American, Illinois Mr.
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: Basketball, College All-American, three-time All-Star, MVP, youngest MVP in NBA
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: history still. Every other former retired MVP has made the
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Does Derrick Rose deserve to be in
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame?
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: Yes. I think I said it on the couch.
[1:04:24] Speaker 3: Yep.
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: Youngest MVP ever.
[1:04:27] Speaker 5: You said every other MVP in the history of the NBA.
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: Every other retired MVP in the NBA history has made
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame.
[1:04:33] Speaker 5: That's tough.
[1:04:34] Speaker 3: That's eligible.
[1:04:37] Speaker 5: Because injuries hold you back sometimes. There's a lot of
[1:04:39] Speaker 5: other great players that's been injured that held them out
[1:04:41] Speaker 5: the hall that would have been in the hall.
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: But the hall also considers injuries. You know who's in
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: the hall?
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: Darren Williams. Carlos Buzzi. Yeah, for the Olympics.
[1:04:52] Speaker 5: Nah, for the Olympic team.
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, for the hall.
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: But for the Olympics.
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, for the Olympics.
[1:04:56] Speaker 5: Not as individuals, though.
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: Just that one team. Okay, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili.
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: Yeah. Paul Gasol.
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: These are all Hall of Famers. Wait, Tony Parker should
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: be a Hall of Famer.
[1:05:08] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's not. I'm saying compare him
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: to D. Rose. D.
[1:05:13] Speaker 7: Rose is a Hall of Famer. And I'm not saying numbers.
[1:05:16] Speaker 7: I'm saying just the player. D.
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: Rose better than Tony Parker?
[1:05:19] Speaker 5: Hall of Fame talent and Hall of Fame accomplishment is
[1:05:22] Speaker 5: two different things.
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: Were you talking about the full body of work or
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: what he just listed down? Full body of work.
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: He has body of work in high school.
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: It's supposed to be based on your full body of
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: basketball work, not just your pro career.
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: So McDonald's All-American, Mr.
[1:05:34] Speaker 7: Basketball, college All-American, three-time All-NBA... Rookie of the year. Rookie
[1:05:42] Speaker 7: of the year. He has checks. He checks boxes that
[1:05:47] Speaker 7: are enough for it. What boxes did Tracy McGrady... I mean,
[1:05:51] Speaker 7: I think.
[1:05:52] Speaker 5: Him just getting his jersey retired from the Chicago Bulls
[1:05:55] Speaker 5: is enough. I'm just saying. I'm slow to put guys
[1:05:58] Speaker 5: in the Hall of Fame.
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: Tracy has scoring titles in all NBAs. Yeah. So he
[1:06:05] Speaker 1: didn't go to college.
[1:06:06] Speaker 5: I'm not saying whether he shouldn't be in it or not.
[1:06:09] Speaker 5: I'm just saying, for me, when I think about it,
[1:06:11] Speaker 5: he's Hall of Fame talent for sure. Injuries played a
[1:06:14] Speaker 5: part and we didn't get to see the full... But
[1:06:17] Speaker 5: that's the problem.
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: You're rewarding him for that accomplishment but not understanding most.
[1:06:35] Speaker 3: MVPs, right?
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: By the time they get the MVP, think about what
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: they've accomplished. Usually this is a war you get a
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: little bit later. So you done got five, six, all NBAs.
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: So you got the body of work. What happened with
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: Derrick Rose.
[1:06:52] Speaker 7: He set the trend for the new criteria of having
[1:06:56] Speaker 7: it earlier.
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: Then what's expected, what you just said.
[1:06:59] Speaker 7: Later down the line is what you're expecting a guy
[1:07:02] Speaker 7: to do is win MVP. Later, he got it first
[1:07:05] Speaker 7: and then got injured. So he didn't get to do
[1:07:07] Speaker 7: the full body of work of what y'all talk about.
[1:07:09] Speaker 7: But the one thing he did check off the list.
[1:07:13] Speaker 5: I'm not discrediting.
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: Usually when someone wins the MVP, right, that MVP actually
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: seals their career. Because they have six All-NBAs, six All-Stars
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: or seven. They got to score an entire whatever, right?
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: That MVP, usually that can seal that career for that
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Derrick got the MVP so early. I
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: can't seal it because he don't have anything with it, right?
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: He's a one-time All-NBA player. Three-time all-star. Well, the second
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: all-star came after the MVP, right? So he got voted in.
[1:07:53] Speaker 1: Rookie of the year? Yeah, but I don't have anything left.
[1:07:59] Speaker 1: All right, Kevin Durant. I only got 12,000 points. I
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: don't really have.
[1:08:03] Speaker 3: Do you factor in the injury, though, in making that assessment?
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is then I have to factor
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: in for everybody. I don't have the body of.
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: Work with him.
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, when he won the MVP, was where? In
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: his career.
[1:08:14] Speaker 5: Four scoring titles.
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: Four scoring titles. Yeah. Four scoring titles.
[1:08:18] Speaker 5: And All-Star.
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: He had multiple All-Stars. All-Stars.
[1:08:21] Speaker 3: He got all NBAs.
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: He was the youngest to.
[1:08:24] Speaker 3: Score this many points.
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: He was All-American in Texas one year. Yeah.
[1:08:28] Speaker 7: McDonald's All-American. I think player of the year. McDonald's All-American. Like,
[1:08:33] Speaker 7: to me, it's the longevity.
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: I get it.
[1:08:37] Speaker 7: But once you get that accomplishment that trumps all other
[1:08:41] Speaker 7: accomplishments within this criteria, we're not having this conversation of
[1:08:45] Speaker 7: whether I'm worthy or not.
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: I was the best player in the league.
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: I agree.
[1:08:49] Speaker 6: I agree because MVP is the highest award you can get.
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: Kevin Durant won his MVP. How much am I killing?
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: He has five All-NBAs.
[1:08:55] Speaker 3: Five years.
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: He has five years.
[1:08:56] Speaker 3: First team All-NBAs in a row.
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: Five All-Stars. He has one, two, three, four scoring titles.
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: He has a total of about... Four, six, eight, about 11,
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: 12,000 points. So where he was when he won MVP,
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: he has more points than Derrick Rose's career.
[1:09:27] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
[1:09:29] Speaker 1: That's just that moment in time. So think about the
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: body of work. If he didn't play no more, he
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: didn't play no more, he would have been sealed as
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. But what year? Yeah, I'm with you.
[1:09:42] Speaker 5: I'm with you, bro.
[1:09:43] Speaker 3: His third year.
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: In his third year compared to his sixth year. Third year,
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: but I don't have any more stats. I don't have nothing.
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: I get that.
[1:09:51] Speaker 7: But you're saying if KD stopped at his sixth year
[1:09:54] Speaker 7: in the NBA, he has.
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: Five this, five that. Yes. Four scoring titles.
[1:09:59] Speaker 7: Eric Rose, after three seasons, I'm the MVP of the league.
[1:10:05] Speaker 7: And I'm an All-Star, Rookie of the Year.
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: I have enough.
[1:10:09] Speaker 5: That's enough to make the Hall of Fame?
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: I'm the MVP of the league.
[1:10:13] Speaker 5: Three All-Stars, one you got voted in.
[1:10:16] Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, third season, made three straight All-Stars
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: after that, and then MVP.
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: And then won All-NBA.
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: So say it again?
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: So, rookie of the year, second season, he made his
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: first All-Star game, made three consecutive All-Star games, third season
[1:10:27] Speaker 2: was the youngest MVP in NBA history, made the All-Star
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: game that next year. He got hurt and then got
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: pulled in.
[1:10:35] Speaker 7: So, he had two All-Star appearances and won All-NBA before MVP?
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: So, yeah, he made his second All-Star game the year
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: he won the MVP, and then he made the All-Star
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: game the following year.
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: He was All-NBA?
[1:10:48] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[1:10:49] Speaker 3: The year he won the NBA.
[1:10:51] Speaker 5: And then he got hurt.
[1:10:53] Speaker 1: And then he got voted an All-Star.
[1:10:55] Speaker 5: I value the Hall of Fame like super sacred. Like,
[1:10:58] Speaker 5: make it super difficult. It's like.
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: I understand that, but it's not like it's not MNFL,
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: it's not MLB.
[1:11:03] Speaker 5: The Hall of Fame is supposed to be like creme
[1:11:04] Speaker 5: de la creme of the creme de la creme.
[1:11:06] Speaker 3: That's not what the Basketball Hall of Fame is.
[1:11:07] Speaker 5: To me, that's how I look at.
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame. Regardless.
[1:11:11] Speaker 5: Because there's a lot of cats that put in work
[1:11:12] Speaker 5: that didn't get in.
[1:11:13] Speaker 3: As a player?
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Fame talent.
[1:11:16] Speaker 5: I'm going to say that. Hall of Fame talent, there
[1:11:18] Speaker 5: ain't no question. There ain't no question of that.
[1:11:21] Speaker 7: Regardless, he's one of 5,000. He's a white coat Hall
[1:11:23] Speaker 7: of Famer. You know what I'm saying? We're going to
[1:11:24] Speaker 7: give him a white coat badge. God damn it.
[1:11:27] Speaker 5: I'm with you. I respect you.
[1:11:29] Speaker 7: But if y'all want to give him an orange jacket,
[1:11:31] Speaker 7: I'll give him the white coat.
[1:11:32] Speaker 2: And I will continue to say a lot of people
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: don't realize it's not the NBA Hall of Fame.
[1:11:35] Speaker 1: It's the basketball. It's the basketball Hall of Fame.
[1:11:37] Speaker 3: And in that case. Your pro career.
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: Obviously factors into plays a large part. What you did
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: prior to that. Yeah, that's why he's going to me.
[1:11:42] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[1:11:43] Speaker 6: He's going to the Hall of Fame to me because
[1:11:45] Speaker 6: the basketball is everything. So everything with it is why
[1:11:48] Speaker 6: he's going to get in. His contribution for sure.
[1:11:51] Speaker 5: His contribution has definitely contributed to the game.
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: Like 12% chance. Like 11% chance. You're telling me there's
[1:11:59] Speaker 2: a chance? Because we asked the chat, does Derrick Rose
[1:12:01] Speaker 2: deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? 79% of
[1:12:03] Speaker 2: the chat says yes. So he's a Gills Arena Hall
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: of Famer. That was almost 78%.
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: Plus one.
[1:12:09] Speaker 7: So he's a Gills Arena Hall of Fame member.
[1:12:13] Speaker 3: The players are putting me in just like.
[1:12:14] Speaker 5: I mean, he's one of the best players I've played against.
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: I value our chat's opinion more than the voters' rank
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: of our human being.
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: They have their own.
[1:12:23] Speaker 3: I value you, Chad, just so you know you are appreciated.
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: We value you, Chad. We value you.
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: A lot of people in the chat at work right now, Gil,
[1:12:30] Speaker 2: getting in trouble watching this show every single day. Bosses hating.
[1:12:33] Speaker 2: Bosses are not Gil's Arena fans for some reason. Like,
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: think about, like, Belichick.
[1:12:37] Speaker 5: Think about Belichick. He got eight rings and didn't get in.
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: But Deflay Gates, Ty Gay. Yeah, he got getting in
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: because he cheated. Hey, Barry Bonds can't get in.
[1:12:45] Speaker 7: You can't get in, nigga. We're not having this conversation.
[1:12:47] Speaker 7: We're not having this conversation. Barry Bonds not in there.
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: He was just revolutionary in his opinion.
[1:12:52] Speaker 5: That's a tragedy that Barry Bonds is not in there.
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: So let me ask you, you got caught, nigga.
[1:12:58] Speaker 3: They ain't catch Barry.
[1:12:59] Speaker 1: Hey, they just said he did some shit. Now, let
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: me tell you, they saw how big it is. I'm
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: just saying. Barry should be in. I'm ready. You on
[1:13:06] Speaker 1: the motherfucking top of the block.
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: Belichick ain't making it, right? We'll make it eventually.
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: But he won't make it first batter.
[1:13:16] Speaker 2: Well, there are some haters in the mix behind the
[1:13:18] Speaker 2: scenes where we're telling the Hall of Fame voters to
[1:13:20] Speaker 2: not roll with him because of some previous issues during
[1:13:22] Speaker 2: his career.
[1:13:23] Speaker 1: Okay, so are they going to use that against Tom Brady? No.
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: You see?
[1:13:26] Speaker 7: You see how silly this shit is? They're not going
[1:13:30] Speaker 7: to use the same shit against the player who was
[1:13:32] Speaker 7: doing it, but they're going to use it against the coach.
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: That's why. And he paid for it already, too. And
[1:13:39] Speaker 1: I was the one okaying it, throwing it. No, yeah,
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: he was like, all right. Real good. All right, cool.
[1:13:43] Speaker 1: This is what we're doing? All right, cool, cool. You
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: gave me the, hey, don't give me the gun because
[1:13:47] Speaker 1: I'm going to throw it. Like, come on. I want
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: the same way he won.
[1:13:52] Speaker 7: We want the plug. We want the nigga that's behind
[1:13:55] Speaker 7: this shit. Look, we don't want you, Tom. We want
[1:13:58] Speaker 7: the big fan. We want the big fan.
[1:14:00] Speaker 5: Come on, Tom.
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: Hey, we need you to wear this wire. Come on, Donnie.
[1:14:04] Speaker 1: Donnie Brasco. Go on, go get in there and get
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: that info for us.
[1:14:08] Speaker 3: Bought the beer at 12,000.
[1:14:11] Speaker 1: You know you don't fuck up, right? You don't fuck up, Tommy. Like,
[1:14:15] Speaker 1: the fact that somebody, like, whoever you are behind the scenes.
[1:14:18] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's messed up, man.
[1:14:19] Speaker 3: And you had to go.
[1:14:20] Speaker 2: I think it was Bill Polian, a longtime Colts exec,
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: but I think Bill Polian was reportedly the person that
[1:14:26] Speaker 2: was out there hating on Belichick.
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: So he hates the man that much.
[1:14:33] Speaker 2: Yes, because some beefs are eternal. Some niggas stand on
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: business in life.
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: That's when you're out there cheating, man. Don't cheat me, people.
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: Forget that shit. You know what?
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: Bill, don't even worry about it, because I can tell
[1:14:42] Speaker 3: you this.
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: No one cares about the first ballot, second ballot, third ballot.
[1:14:50] Speaker 1: If the jacket's a jacket, the jacket's a jacket.
[1:14:52] Speaker 3: Okay?
[1:14:53] Speaker 1: I don't think different, like, yo, first ballot gets gold,
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: the second ballot gets red. I don't think they do that, right? Nope.
[1:14:59] Speaker 1: Gold is gold, right?
[1:15:00] Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck. We ain't put me in there.
[1:15:01] Speaker 3: Just put me in there.
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: How about that? If you're a Bill Belichick, seven Super Bowls,
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: you have a certain... Level of stature. Like, come on, man.
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: So what? I cheated a little. Guess what? Y'all could
[1:15:14] Speaker 1: have got camcorders, too. It's a big-ass arena. But the
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: stature is not my stature. It's the stature because he
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: don't like me.
[1:15:21] Speaker 3: Seven Super Bowls.
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: No, it ain't because he don't like you. He don't
[1:15:24] Speaker 1: like what you did.
[1:15:25] Speaker 5: Man, there's other dudes.
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: He don't like what you did.
[1:15:27] Speaker 5: There's other dudes in.
[1:15:28] Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame. That's right. That's way worse. I'm
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: just innovating. Y'all just mad. Way worse.
[1:15:32] Speaker 7: You're claiming to be the best of the best, and
[1:15:34] Speaker 7: I don't like what you did to be the best.
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: Is that his.
[1:15:37] Speaker 7: I don't like what you did to be just like Barry.
[1:15:40] Speaker 7: They think Barry did this to be the best, but
[1:15:42] Speaker 7: they are overlooking. Barry has been the best before.
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: He's the best ever.
[1:15:46] Speaker 5: So they're going to use that.
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: Against him based on criteria.
[1:15:53] Speaker 7: If he don't do this shit, he's going to be
[1:15:56] Speaker 7: first ballot, bro.
[1:15:57] Speaker 3: It's like you didn't need to do it. Send in
[1:15:59] Speaker 3: a message to politics of the situation.
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: Ooh, send in a message. I don't care. Politics.
[1:16:04] Speaker 7: Ooh, send in a message.
[1:16:06] Speaker 6: Politics.
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: How does that work? Dude, you're talking behind the scenes.
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: What do you think everybody else says about you? Now
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: moving forward you think you're gonna get a raise moving
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: forward like that. Nah, dog You don't get black ball
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: at the end of the day.
[1:16:19] Speaker 4: Polly is okay. You're not worried No reason Yeah, probably
[1:16:34] Speaker 4: 83 years old.
[1:16:35] Speaker 1: He's not trippin'. 83, yeah. All his work come to Indianapolis.
[1:16:39] Speaker 1: I got a few good years left. I'm about to
[1:16:41] Speaker 1: do something for you. Me and Robert Kraft get the
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: same insiders from the same place, nigga. We ain't trippin'. Hey, Rob,
[1:16:47] Speaker 1: you better leave me alone, nigga. He about to hit
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: that up the room.
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: Up the room.
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: Quality cinema, ladies and gentlemen. Let's keep this thing moving.
[1:17:01] Speaker 2: Head back to the West Coast, the best coast. So
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: after the Lakers lost to the Clippers last Thursday, J.J.
[1:17:05] Speaker 2: Redick had this message for his primary ball handler, Luka Doncic.
[1:17:09] Speaker 10: There's got to be a trust factor with all our
[1:17:12] Speaker 10: guys just to trust the pass. And that starts with Luca.
[1:17:16] Speaker 10: He's going to have the ball the most of everyone.
[1:17:19] Speaker 10: He's got to trust the pass. And if he gets
[1:17:21] Speaker 10: two on him and he's playing in a crowd, he's
[1:17:24] Speaker 10: got to pass the ball. And I think as much
[1:17:30] Speaker 10: as we can talk about being connected on defense, you've
[1:17:32] Speaker 10: got to be connected on offense.
[1:17:35] Speaker 3: Trust the pass. His primary ball hands up.
[1:17:38] Speaker 2: Redick also implored Luka and LeBron to share the ball
[1:17:41] Speaker 2: more during a recent team meeting. Luka appeared to receive
[1:17:44] Speaker 2: the message in the Lakers' two games since Redick's comments.
[1:17:47] Speaker 2: In the purple and gold win over the Mavs, Donta
[1:17:49] Speaker 2: dished out 11 assists to go along with his 30
[1:17:50] Speaker 2: points to help the squad overcome a 15-point fourth quarter deficit.
[1:17:54] Speaker 2: Luka followed that up with another dominant performance against the
[1:17:56] Speaker 2: Bulls in Chicago Monday night, just days after Derrick Rose's
[1:18:00] Speaker 2: Jersey retirement ceremony, making some Lakers history in the process.
[1:18:03] Speaker 2: Let's take a look at those highlights. If we can, please.
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: Luka finished with 46 points, 11 assists, and 7 rebounds.
[1:18:11] Speaker 2: He was 15 of 25 from the field, 8 of
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: 14 from deep. It was Slovenia and Jesus League leading
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: 8th 40-point game this season and 3rd game with at
[1:18:21] Speaker 2: least 40 and 10 assists this season as well. He
[1:18:24] Speaker 2: joins Kobe as the only Lakers with 45-plus points, 10-plus assists,
[1:18:27] Speaker 2: and 5-plus made threes in a game in franchise history.
[1:18:31] Speaker 2: Luka also became the fastest Laker to reach 2,000 points,
[1:18:34] Speaker 2: accomplishing the feat in just 65 games surpassing George Mikan's
[1:18:38] Speaker 2: previous record of 72 games.
[1:18:40] Speaker 3: Shout out George Mikan.
[1:18:42] Speaker 5: Mikan drill.
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: The Mikan drill, because the nigga could not make a layup.
[1:18:45] Speaker 2: That's why it's called the Micah drill. LeBron scored 20
[1:18:49] Speaker 2: of his 24 points in the first half.
[1:18:52] Speaker 3: Rui Hachimor had 23 points.
[1:18:55] Speaker 2: Off the bench on 9 of 11 shooting hitting 4
[1:18:59] Speaker 2: of his 5 3 point attempts in the 29 minutes.
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: Of action.
[1:19:03] Speaker 2: So, Lakers shot 56% from the field. Also, we're 16
[1:19:08] Speaker 2: of 33 from three-point range. Oh, yeah, look who passed
[1:19:10] Speaker 2: the ball, but he's also shooting that bitch as well.
[1:19:14] Speaker 2: I'm still going to get my 46 piece, JJ. But
[1:19:17] Speaker 2: Lakers offense looking a lot more fluid. Lakers 4-1 in
[1:19:21] Speaker 2: their last five games. 3-1 on this current eight-game road trip.
[1:19:27] Speaker 2: Thanks in large part to players like that. Also, got
[1:19:29] Speaker 2: to give some love to Jackson Hayes right here. Pulling
[1:19:32] Speaker 2: out the East Bay. Thought he was going to get
[1:19:34] Speaker 2: hung during the game when he pulled it out, but
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: actually knocked it down. Luke also said he was East
[1:19:38] Speaker 2: Baying at 13 years old. There was video evidence to
[1:19:40] Speaker 2: support that. But let's shift over to you, Gil, a
[1:19:42] Speaker 2: resident Lakers fan, five-time champion as a Lakers fan.
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: Are Luke and LeBron looking more comfortable sharing the floor together?
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: I like that. You're a five-time legacy. Last time, man.
[1:19:53] Speaker 1: Last time.
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: For some reason, you don't want the bubble ring attached
[1:19:56] Speaker 2: to your legacy.
[1:19:57] Speaker 1: I don't even count the bubble. You don't want the
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: bubble ring attached to your legacy. I should be six.
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: You couldn't wait for that. I should be six.
[1:20:03] Speaker 2: You have an in-season tournament championship after disposal, too, if
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: you want it.
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: No, no. That is your fandom. I am a six-time champ.
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: What are you talking about? I was just thinking about
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: the cut.
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: I'm thinking, no, I'm six. I'm counting the bubble.
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: I'm with MJ. Now I need to go back to
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: having made. I did get okay to having made, right?
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: So I would have been part of, you know, clutch
[1:20:31] Speaker 1: LeBron James.
[1:20:33] Speaker 3: The black suburban. What is your question? You irritated me
[1:20:39] Speaker 3: first when you told....
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: First of all, what JJ is saying... That's fucking hilarious.
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: I don't care about your irritation.
[1:20:48] Speaker 3: I'm just saying, stop. I'm already talking about he need
[1:20:50] Speaker 3: to pass the ball.
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: Lucas, just ask who? Who you want to pass the
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: ball to? To who?
[1:20:55] Speaker 3: To who?
[1:20:56] Speaker 1: I'm averaging 8.8 assists with this. Four people for the
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: most part on the.
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: Team don't know how to shoot.
[1:21:05] Speaker 1: Won't shoot. Can't shoot. Shouldn't be able to shoot. And
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: I still somehow pull out 8.8 assists. I'm doing my best, coach.
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: There's sometimes I got one guy who he hit a three,
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: then hit the side of the backboard. Now, I got
[1:21:22] Speaker 1: a 50-50 on a make or back bowl. That's one
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: for two. Right? That's Boston. It came from Boston. Then
[1:21:30] Speaker 1: I got Fane, though. He might do anything with the ball.
[1:21:34] Speaker 7: I don't know what he's going to do with the ball.
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: I don't even know if Fane don't know if he's
[1:21:38] Speaker 1: left-handed or right-handed at this point. Just at this point, do.
[1:21:42] Speaker 1: Just give it back. Right then, we got Aiden. We
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with him. During the basketball game.
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: Then I got a 41. Then I got a 41.
[1:21:55] Speaker 1: You're asking me to pass the ball. Trust the pass.
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: Trust it no matter what, Gil. Trust your teammates. I
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: think one person said it the best. And he says,
[1:22:08] Speaker 1: I don't trust their work ethic. Meaning, Luka watches them
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: in practice working on their job. So if I'm not
[1:22:15] Speaker 1: passing the ball to these people, there is a reason.
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: You have 8.8 assists out of me. Shut up!
[1:22:24] Speaker 6: If you're getting 8.5 assists, that means you're passing way
[1:22:27] Speaker 6: too much, probably.
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: You want me to give up this.
[1:22:31] Speaker 5: Little titty to pass it?
[1:22:33] Speaker 1: So y'all gotta really, let's talk hoop for a second.
[1:22:36] Speaker 1: Let's talk real hoop. Let's think about this. That 8
[1:22:40] Speaker 1: assists aren't I'm looking for my guys. Those are I
[1:22:45] Speaker 1: don't have a shot.
[1:22:47] Speaker 7: Here you go. Take that shot. Make that shot. Give
[1:22:50] Speaker 7: it back to me. I ain't got it.
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: You see how many times he pump fake that shit?
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: He was trying to make them look like they can
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: shoot it. And this dude's like, fuck, I ain't open.
[1:23:01] Speaker 1: I'm going to throw it to him. He's wide open.
[1:23:03] Speaker 5: Been wide open.
[1:23:04] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[1:23:05] Speaker 7: So I think Luka's always that guy.
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: He would rather shoot his shot.
[1:23:10] Speaker 3: Who was it?
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: Who was wide open? Maul State. Jake was open.
[1:23:18] Speaker 7: Jake is still a hit and miss.
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? JJ's trying to save and
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: preserve the race. I know he got the color.
[1:23:27] Speaker 7: Pass it to the white guy at least.
[1:23:31] Speaker 1: How would you rate JJ's coaching so far? As far
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: as A's and B's or what?
[1:23:36] Speaker 3: As far as a lot of the other coaches.
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: I'm giving him a B.
[1:23:38] Speaker 3: A B?
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: B-A.
[1:23:42] Speaker 5: Like, would you say he's an average coach or above
[1:23:44] Speaker 5: average coach?
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: Like, why he don't get a lot of heat?
[1:23:47] Speaker 6: Like, you got to look at our, like, we don't see. B-
[1:23:51] Speaker 6: for me.
[1:23:52] Speaker 3: Like, look at the players we have on our team.
[1:23:54] Speaker 1: Hey. Right? Like, people like, look, you look at LeBron
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: James and Luka. But think of the rest of the field.
[1:24:02] Speaker 1: All undersized guards that are not athletic. Our best athletic guard.
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: Is our oldest player's son.
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: That's actually the only person who can compete with the
[1:24:15] Speaker 1: rest of these young guards in here who's trying to
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: jump over everybody. Everybody else can't, right? They got to
[1:24:20] Speaker 1: play ground game, right? I got to pick you up
[1:24:23] Speaker 1: full court, try to take a charge. If I don't,
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: John Morant's coming, right? He's coming down the lane. So
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: my older guards, small, that have no– that's them. And
[1:24:33] Speaker 1: their wings. They are twos. So we don't really have nothing.
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: Darv and Ham did more with less. No. Hell no.
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here. I was about to say,
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: they did make it to the Western Conference Finals. You
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: got to the Western Conference Finals with less. No, no,
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: less is now.
[1:24:53] Speaker 7: Because you got AD and Luka. You got more with
[1:24:57] Speaker 7: Luka here.
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: Wait, hold on.
[1:24:59] Speaker 7: AD and Luka, swapping them out, you got more. AJ
[1:25:05] Speaker 7: has more.
[1:25:06] Speaker 1: So was A.D. Brown. You guys are motherfucking morons. LeBron
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: James is 40-fucking-1 right now. No, man, you're going to
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: praise him for a while. I'm going to take the
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: 38 LeBron James, right? Give me 38 LeBron. He's still dunking.
[1:25:18] Speaker 1: I have more. I got 38-year-old LeBron James. He's still
[1:25:21] Speaker 1: doing the same shit. 37-38. He's still doing the same shit. No, no, no.
[1:25:24] Speaker 11: His numbers has not changed. His numbers didn't change. The
[1:25:29] Speaker 11: way he played changed. So what are we talking about?
[1:25:31] Speaker 11: I got a three-point step back slow. No, that's what
[1:25:35] Speaker 11: I got today.
[1:25:37] Speaker 1: I'm talking about the others. Let's talk about the others.
[1:25:40] Speaker 7: You got the same fucking quality players as you had
[1:25:42] Speaker 7: when you was with Darvin Ham.
[1:25:44] Speaker 1: I got an option to LeBron James today. I had
[1:25:48] Speaker 1: an option. One. Back, you got Austin Reeves. You still
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: got a motherfucker. What Jackson age still.
[1:25:55] Speaker 7: Got the same up? No, but we still there same
[1:25:59] Speaker 7: of a man. No, still there is the same mother.
[1:26:03] Speaker 7: We went to the Western Conference Finals with.
[1:26:06] Speaker 1: Less with Darwin. So we did have less.
[1:26:08] Speaker 3: What?
[1:26:08] Speaker 4: What?
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: What? What? What? 80 average 28 and what 12?
[1:26:13] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: 28 and 12. Did he have a 28 and 12? Yeah,
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: with Darmanham. First team all defense?
[1:26:20] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: First team all defense? Luka is the number one. Compete
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: for number one? Compete for that? Nobody on the Lakers.
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: I have a 35, 8 at 8.
[1:26:29] Speaker 7: My most consistent player is 41.
[1:26:33] Speaker 1: And you're telling me which LeBron I'm going to take?
[1:26:37] Speaker 5: You're making it about LeBron, but Luka is the one, though.
[1:26:40] Speaker 5: Luka is the one that led Dallas to the finals. Huh,
[1:26:44] Speaker 5: same Luka that led Dallas to the finals, 35-8-8. Now
[1:26:48] Speaker 5: you got that on the squad.
[1:26:49] Speaker 1: Yes. No excuse, J.J. Garvin did it with that.
[1:26:53] Speaker 2: You were giving me a these numbers with the Pelicans
[1:26:55] Speaker 2: go Lakers numbers a little bit less.
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit less. He was inflating them shits.
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: You know, I think I think you know, you're right.
[1:27:02] Speaker 1: You're all 26 and 13. Not 28. Not 28.
[1:27:03] Speaker 3: The highest average of 26 and 13 in that 2022
[1:27:04] Speaker 3: 2023 season. 26 and what?
[1:27:05] Speaker 4: 13.
[1:27:05] Speaker 1: That's my number two.
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: Also average 26 and 12.
[1:27:17] Speaker 1: What was the first team all what?
[1:27:20] Speaker 3: Defense?
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: What was LeBron's numbers? That 23-24 season he was first team.
[1:27:24] Speaker 1: He averaged 24-13. 24-13. And that was my option too.
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: Two-way play.
[1:27:35] Speaker 5: What Austin Reeves averaging?
[1:27:37] Speaker 3: This season?
[1:27:38] Speaker 7: This season, 20 points since the whole team's been together.
[1:27:41] Speaker 5: 20 points since the whole team's been together. Moving to goalposts.
[1:27:45] Speaker 1: What Austin Reeves averaging? Austin Reeves averaging 27, 6 assists.
[1:27:49] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[1:27:50] Speaker 3: I'm just saying, what is he averaging?
[1:27:51] Speaker 1: 27 what?
[1:27:51] Speaker 7: 27, 6 and 5.
[1:27:56] Speaker 3: 6 and 5. Okay.
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: We're going to narrative. We're at 35.
[1:28:01] Speaker 7: We're trying to pretend that his 26th. His 26. Remember,
[1:28:07] Speaker 7: it was 33 before LeBron James. I'm just answering the question.
[1:28:10] Speaker 5: I think JJ's doing an okay job. But Darvin Helm
[1:28:13] Speaker 5: did do more with that.
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: That's all. That's it. Without LeBron, he was averaging 33.
[1:28:18] Speaker 1: When the whole team got there, he's been averaging 20.
[1:28:23] Speaker 7: That's why he's at 26.
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: So when we look at the whole landscape of everybody
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: being there, so was the team better when LeBron was gone?
[1:28:32] Speaker 1: But just when LeBron was gone, it was just them two.
[1:28:34] Speaker 7: Don't forget 41, Don't forget the age.
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: You got to throw the age on there. Think about
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: what I'm 41, bro.
[1:28:40] Speaker 5: I'm listening to you. I'm listening to you.
[1:28:41] Speaker 3: The beginning of the season. No LeBron. Who team was better?
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: Darvin Ham's full Laker team because they were all there
[1:28:47] Speaker 1: or JJ's team. Okay.
[1:28:49] Speaker 7: Right now, whose team is better? This Laker team or
[1:28:54] Speaker 7: Darvin's Ham team?
[1:28:55] Speaker 3: Laker team.
[1:28:56] Speaker 7: Because remember, there's no Austin Reeves right now.
[1:29:01] Speaker 1: They're not playing the game. See what I'm saying? They're
[1:29:03] Speaker 1: not all together.
[1:29:04] Speaker 5: It's nuanced, too, though. They're not all together. It's a
[1:29:06] Speaker 5: different style game, too, now. When you got AD, it's
[1:29:09] Speaker 5: a different style.
[1:29:09] Speaker 1: You don't got no AD now. You got three guards
[1:29:12] Speaker 1: out there.
[1:29:12] Speaker 5: I'm trying to say so.
[1:29:14] Speaker 1: You're putting a 26 points a game. You're putting a
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: 26 points a game. That's not actually part of it.
[1:29:19] Speaker 1: And he was on a time limit.
[1:29:20] Speaker 5: I think JJ's doing okay. I think he's doing a
[1:29:22] Speaker 5: decent job. I wouldn't say he's elite coaching, but he's
[1:29:25] Speaker 5: not the worst either.
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: Is he doing better than Darvin Ham? No. Since he
[1:29:29] Speaker 1: got the job. Better? I don't think so. Better?
[1:29:32] Speaker 3: No.
[1:29:32] Speaker 1: The team is different.
[1:29:35] Speaker 6: I know the team is different, but is he doing
[1:29:37] Speaker 6: a better job?
[1:29:38] Speaker 1: We don't know. The team is different.
[1:29:39] Speaker 5: I'm going to say no.
[1:29:40] Speaker 1: We do know because last year they didn't do shit.
[1:29:43] Speaker 5: Yeah, I was about to say, I don't know.
[1:29:44] Speaker 1: Last year?
[1:29:45] Speaker 6: They made it to the Western Conference Finals.
[1:29:48] Speaker 1: Last year? No, I'm saying Darvin Hill made it to
[1:29:50] Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. I'm talking about J.J. Riddick last
[1:29:52] Speaker 1: year with Luka Doncic and LeBron James and Austin Reed. Yeah.
[1:29:57] Speaker 5: I'm with you on the Darvin Helms side. He did
[1:29:59] Speaker 5: more with less. I'm with you on that.
[1:30:01] Speaker 7: They just put Darvin under the bus. We're not having it.
[1:30:03] Speaker 7: Darvin was doing his fucking thing. You know what I'm saying?
[1:30:07] Speaker 7: You don't let a podcast. You don't let a podcast.
[1:30:10] Speaker 5: I think you're discerning how much of a juggernaut Luka is.
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying is you're talking about a team
[1:30:17] Speaker 1: that was there versus players that's here, right? And you're
[1:30:21] Speaker 1: trying to use them like they're all together playing in
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: the same time, right? Where it's Austin LeBron and Reeves.
[1:30:28] Speaker 1: That's not actually the case. Austin LeBron and Luka. Austin
[1:30:32] Speaker 1: Barlow and Luka, they're not all together at the same time.
[1:30:35] Speaker 1: So right, that's what I said. At the beginning of
[1:30:37] Speaker 1: the season, there's no LeBron. Is that team better than Darvin?
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: You're going to say no. Right now, Reeves is not
[1:30:42] Speaker 1: in for the last how many games? But you can't
[1:30:44] Speaker 1: say the same thing. So who's a better team?
[1:30:46] Speaker 7: Because Austin was not Austin he is now than he
[1:30:49] Speaker 7: was when he was with Darvin.
[1:30:51] Speaker 5: So do you think JJ Redick is better coach than
[1:30:53] Speaker 5: Darvin Hill?
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: Huh?
[1:30:54] Speaker 5: The question was how much you ask, do you think,
[1:30:57] Speaker 5: what's the grading skill do you give JJ Redick? I
[1:30:59] Speaker 5: say he's doing like average.
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: But I can't grade. You don't have the same exact team.
[1:31:06] Speaker 1: You don't have to. You don't have to have the
[1:31:08] Speaker 1: exact team.
[1:31:08] Speaker 7: I said to you, I said to you, I said
[1:31:11] Speaker 7: to you, I said to.
[1:31:12] Speaker 1: You, Is he doing good? Average above average? That's it.
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: What kind of job is he doing?
[1:31:17] Speaker 7: We don't give a fuck if Bron 41. We don't
[1:31:19] Speaker 7: give a fuck if Austin's averaging 20 right now because
[1:31:22] Speaker 7: he was probably averaging 20.
[1:31:23] Speaker 1: When he was with Darv. Austin Reeves meets the last
[1:31:24] Speaker 1: 16 games. How much was Austin Reeves averaging with Darv
[1:31:27] Speaker 1: and him, man? I just thought. Not that. Huh? Not that.
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: Not that.
[1:31:32] Speaker 6: I just felt like with J.J. Redick doing a podcast
[1:31:34] Speaker 6: with LeBron James, I just felt like him getting that.
[1:31:37] Speaker 6: I thought we was going to see something different.
[1:31:39] Speaker 1: Like we were seeing in the podcast. Mind the game.
[1:31:42] Speaker 6: Okay, so I'm thinking, okay, he's doing this podcast with LeBron,
[1:31:45] Speaker 6: get the job. I'm thinking he's going to do way
[1:31:47] Speaker 6: better than Darvin Ham.
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: I'm just being honest.
[1:31:49] Speaker 6: Because of everything they was talking about, what I would do, situations,
[1:31:52] Speaker 6: you're breaking the game now. Well, it looks like that
[1:31:54] Speaker 6: shit ain't making sense on the motherfucker.
[1:31:56] Speaker 3: Of course, I'm just saying, right?
[1:31:58] Speaker 1: Hold on, listen up. Hold on, listen up. I'm just saying.
[1:32:07] Speaker 7: I'm expecting a better and if you're not then I'm
[1:32:09] Speaker 7: gonna be like, what?
[1:32:10] Speaker 1: You ain't no mind in the game. You just next
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: in line. That's all you are. I think he's doing
[1:32:14] Speaker 1: a decent job.
[1:32:15] Speaker 7: But like I starving him did a good job 240
[1:32:16] Speaker 7: had to work with I think what do you have
[1:32:19] Speaker 7: to work?
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:32:31] Speaker 7: I think Garvin was an assistant for years.
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, he was able to piggyback off a lot.
[1:32:35] Speaker 7: Of different ideas and schemes and what to do how
[1:32:39] Speaker 7: to talk to players JJ came straight from ESPN and
[1:32:43] Speaker 7: straight in that room.
[1:32:48] Speaker 1: All of a sudden he's like man. I can't even
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: talk to him. They ain't running the place. I tell
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: them to run and shit. I think we need to
[1:32:54] Speaker 1: have a team meeting. All right.
[1:32:56] Speaker 3: So who's a better coach? We started with Billy Donovan.
[1:33:00] Speaker 1: Billy Donovan. Or Mark.
[1:33:04] Speaker 3: Dakno.
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: Dakno. Billy Donovan. With two different shades.
[1:33:10] Speaker 5: Who's the better coach? I don't think it has nothing
[1:33:13] Speaker 5: to do with who's on the team. It's just who
[1:33:14] Speaker 5: you think is the better coach.
[1:33:15] Speaker 1: How do we know? I'm asking you because you said
[1:33:19] Speaker 1: the player don't matter. So you got one coach. Did
[1:33:22] Speaker 1: I ever say the player don't matter? I said the
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: age matters because the player. You said that don't matter.
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: It's the same team. No, I said it's not the
[1:33:29] Speaker 1: same team. You have Donovan Mitchell.
[1:33:31] Speaker 5: All we said was where do you rank J.J.
[1:33:33] Speaker 1: Reddick as a coach? I said I don't know because
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: I don't have the same team. Because my players just
[1:33:37] Speaker 1: changed and got older. Why do you have to have
[1:33:39] Speaker 1: the same team to judge a coach? We got Shea, right?
[1:33:42] Speaker 1: If you coach Shea, right, his first three years, right,
[1:33:47] Speaker 1: you're coaching that. I coach Shea now, and he's an MVP.
[1:33:52] Speaker 1: I don't change as a fucking coach. I didn't do
[1:33:54] Speaker 1: nothing better. The player changed. The player's better. So you
[1:33:57] Speaker 1: should be able to make that decision. I get a
[1:33:59] Speaker 1: better coaching grade versus you? No.
[1:34:02] Speaker 7: So you're saying Mark don't get credit for the championship.
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is if you say who's a better coach,
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: And we got to grade them. I have to say
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: I don't know because one has a player who's developing
[1:34:15] Speaker 1: and one has a player who's now a superstar. So
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: this guy with this superstar has better when he has better.
[1:34:23] Speaker 1: So I can't tell you who's a better coach.
[1:34:24] Speaker 5: But he didn't really ask who's better. He just said
[1:34:26] Speaker 5: grade them.
[1:34:27] Speaker 1: I can't grade because what am I grading them off of?
[1:34:29] Speaker 1: I don't know their game plan.
[1:34:31] Speaker 7: I don't know what they're doing. What's the nigga's name?
[1:34:34] Speaker 7: I don't know what they're doing. Who's the Boston coach?
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: Missoula. Missoula and Edoba. Edoba. Who's the better? What do
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: you rate him? I think Edoba's still the better coach overall.
[1:34:44] Speaker 6: I think he's a better coach because he can go
[1:34:46] Speaker 6: from he went from Boston and went to Houston still
[1:34:48] Speaker 6: doing the same thing.
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: So it ain't it ain't no blueprint.
[1:34:51] Speaker 3: So that make them better.
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: No, no, I'm saying he's a better.
[1:34:53] Speaker 6: Yes, because I mean, I just know Joe just picked
[1:34:56] Speaker 6: up the pieces and what I'm saying, but what I'm
[1:34:59] Speaker 6: saying is he picked up the pieces and he won.
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: Yes, they won. But now we don't pick up the
[1:35:04] Speaker 1: pieces and ain't doing shit.
[1:35:05] Speaker 5: But you should be able to judge a coach.
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: Is that not correct?
[1:35:08] Speaker 5: You don't have to have the same exact team to
[1:35:10] Speaker 5: be able to judge a coach, though. You're making it
[1:35:12] Speaker 5: seem like you've got to have apples to apples to
[1:35:13] Speaker 5: judge a coach.
[1:35:14] Speaker 1: You're telling me to judge them, and I'm like, what
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: am I judging them off of, then? I've got to
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: judge them off their plays, their schemes, if they're using.
[1:35:21] Speaker 7: Their team's funds, everything with the shit you say in
[1:35:24] Speaker 7: the press conferences.
[1:35:26] Speaker 1: The defense y'all play out there. How can I say
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: Darvin Hamm is a great coach if he couldn't coach
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook?
[1:35:32] Speaker 3: He didn't know what he was doing.
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that factor in.
[1:35:35] Speaker 7: But he could because he was getting motherfuckers telling him
[1:35:38] Speaker 7: to do that shit. Motherfuckers was telling him, hey, look, man,
[1:35:40] Speaker 7: we play better with Russ coming off the bench.
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: Well, shit. Again. I'm trying to please motherfuckers that got
[1:35:46] Speaker 1: me fired. Again. If I would have done it my way,
[1:35:49] Speaker 1: we would have went back to the finals. Now that's
[1:35:51] Speaker 1: a narrative. But that's fact. You were trying to judge
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: a coach, and I say, what are we going off of?
[1:35:57] Speaker 1: You're going off of the record, or we're going off
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: of how they managed the team itself? I'm going off
[1:36:03] Speaker 1: of both. So we have, we see what happened. With
[1:36:06] Speaker 1: Darvin Hamm. With Darvin Hamm. He went to the finals.
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: We had Westbrook and all of that. So are we
[1:36:11] Speaker 1: using the record now? We're using the finals.
[1:36:14] Speaker 7: So you're using the metric of him getting to the
[1:36:16] Speaker 7: Western Conference. So you're only using records now. No, we're
[1:36:19] Speaker 7: talking about Mizzou because you're going to contradict him because
[1:36:23] Speaker 7: Mizzou won a championship.
[1:36:24] Speaker 5: It's not about the raw record. But in order to
[1:36:25] Speaker 5: get to the finals, you don't necessarily have to have
[1:36:27] Speaker 5: the best record. You have to coach your team up
[1:36:28] Speaker 5: to a level to win.
[1:36:30] Speaker 1: Get there.
[1:36:30] Speaker 5: You don't have to have the number one record.
[1:36:31] Speaker 1: Telling me to judge two different people. I got to
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: see how he's using you. You've seen it.
[1:36:38] Speaker 7: We've been watching. This ain't the first year JJ's coaching, bro.
[1:36:41] Speaker 7: We've been watching. They're underachieving. They're underachieving based on where
[1:36:47] Speaker 7: they was last at when the other coach was there.
[1:36:49] Speaker 1: They're underachieving from where they were before.
[1:36:53] Speaker 7: When Darvin Ham left, they was at the Western Conference Finals.
[1:36:58] Speaker 7: JJ came in, took over. They haven't been back. And
[1:37:04] Speaker 7: That says the new coach is worse? He's underachieving based
[1:37:07] Speaker 7: on mind the game and I'm going to do this
[1:37:09] Speaker 7: just like BJ was just saying.
[1:37:11] Speaker 1: He's been there one season.
[1:37:13] Speaker 5: I'm just saying he's not terrible.
[1:37:15] Speaker 1: He ain't doing better than Darvin.
[1:37:17] Speaker 5: He's not doing the worst, but he's not doing the best.
[1:37:20] Speaker 3: He's doing average coach.
[1:37:21] Speaker 5: That's what I say.
[1:37:22] Speaker 1: Same thing. Why don't you just say that?
[1:37:26] Speaker 5: You're making it seem like you can't make that decision.
[1:37:28] Speaker 1: I can't make that decision? It's just like Adrian Griffin.
[1:37:30] Speaker 7: Adrian Griffin was in there half of a fucking season.
[1:37:32] Speaker 7: We can say he did a great job. But you're
[1:37:35] Speaker 7: going to say who's.
[1:37:36] Speaker 3: A better coach?
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: Him or Doc.
[1:37:39] Speaker 7: Him or Doc, based on the job he was doing
[1:37:41] Speaker 7: by the time he was there and the job Doc
[1:37:44] Speaker 7: is doing by the time he's there, who's the better
[1:37:46] Speaker 7: coach between them two? You could say Adrian Griffin did
[1:37:50] Speaker 7: a better job.
[1:37:51] Speaker 1: In Milwaukee. A better job in Milwaukee. In Milwaukee. Yes.
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: That doesn't make you a better coach.
[1:37:57] Speaker 5: Better job. He's keeping it for Lakers. That's what he's saying.
[1:37:59] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
[1:37:59] Speaker 5: He's trying to keep it in context for you so
[1:38:01] Speaker 5: he can understand.
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: No, we keep correcting him because he's trying to use
[1:38:04] Speaker 1: it as a whole thing. For that team, that team there.
[1:38:08] Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: He coached that team better. Doesn't make him a better
[1:38:13] Speaker 1: coach than Doc. It was his first coaching job. Cool.
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: So that's all we get to go off of. That's
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: all we get to go off of. That's all we
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: get to go off of. Boom. This is all we're
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: going off of. Boom, boom.
[1:38:25] Speaker 7: This is what you left with when you got this job?
[1:38:29] Speaker 1: Boom, ho. they was fucked up. They was fucked up.
[1:38:33] Speaker 7: And then Adrian Griffin came in. They were 30-13. They
[1:38:37] Speaker 7: looking promising again. JJ, we at here when Darvin left.
[1:38:43] Speaker 7: Here you come in.
[1:38:44] Speaker 1: Hey, bro, we're expecting to get back to here.
[1:38:47] Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, I said I have the same team with Darvin.
[1:38:50] Speaker 5: It don't matter about that.
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: It do matter. Like Ohio State don't matter. He got
[1:38:55] Speaker 1: a superstar. How can I make the same Thanksgiving?
[1:38:57] Speaker 7: How can I make the same Thanksgiving if I don't
[1:38:59] Speaker 7: got the same Thanksgiving deal?
[1:39:01] Speaker 1: The answer is yes, Gil. You have turkey and ham.
[1:39:03] Speaker 1: I got the same team. You got turkey and ham.
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: I got tofu. The answer is yes. I got tofu.
[1:39:08] Speaker 3: I got tofu.
[1:39:09] Speaker 1: I got tofu. Was AD there?
[1:39:12] Speaker 5: Was AD there?
[1:39:12] Speaker 1: He was turkey with you. He was turkey with you.
[1:39:16] Speaker 1: I got the tofu version. Stop.
[1:39:17] Speaker 4: Stop.
[1:39:17] Speaker 1: Stop. I got the poke my eye version. I got
[1:39:21] Speaker 1: the twinkle toe version. He was still Mr. Glass. No. Yes,
[1:39:25] Speaker 1: he was. Yeah, he always been Mr. Glass. He was
[1:39:27] Speaker 1: still falling down the steps. He always been Mr. Glass.
[1:39:30] Speaker 1: I know what I have. You play with AD in
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: New Orleans? He was getting hurt there, too.
[1:39:39] Speaker 5: He was always hurt.
[1:39:40] Speaker 1: He said glass.
[1:39:42] Speaker 5: I mean, when he wasn't, though, he was putting up crazy.
[1:39:44] Speaker 1: No, facts.
[1:39:45] Speaker 5: He was always hurt, though. It's just, I don't know.
[1:39:48] Speaker 7: Shout out to Darvin, man. Yo, owe Darvin Hamm a drink.
[1:39:52] Speaker 7: Shout out to Kobe Bryant, too, man. Rest in peace, man.
[1:39:56] Speaker 7: I'm a big dog.
[1:39:56] Speaker 1: Always. Darvin had 76.
[1:39:58] Speaker 3: He played 76 games for Darvin Hamm.
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: 42 for me. 42. I get 42. I told you
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: I get the tofu. There was a trade. There was
[1:40:13] Speaker 1: a trade at the deadline. We see what happened. What happened?
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: And who'd you get for him, though? Who'd you get
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: for him? Thank you. Thank you. We just came from
[1:40:23] Speaker 1: the final. We just came from the final.
[1:40:26] Speaker 3: Congratulations.
[1:40:26] Speaker 1: He was still stuck in. He was still stuck in. No,
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: we don't want to hear that excuse. You're making an
[1:40:30] Speaker 1: excuse now. That's not reality? Nope. Hell no. You with
[1:40:34] Speaker 1: the Lakers now, nigga.
[1:40:34] Speaker 3: I don't have this.
[1:40:36] Speaker 1: You were still free willy. That's all it was. You
[1:40:38] Speaker 1: was just fat. That's it, nigga. Yeah, fat enough. I
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: got fat. Nigga. Eating churros, for sure. Get off them churros.
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: Cheerios or churros. No, no, no. No cholesterol. I like it.
[1:40:51] Speaker 7: What are you talking about? Coach, he was gone, what, 23,
[1:40:56] Speaker 7: 24 season?
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: Last season. J.J.
[1:40:58] Speaker 3: Redd's first season was last season. He got an extension
[1:41:00] Speaker 3: this offseason.
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. He got the extension already. They didn't even give him.
[1:41:05] Speaker 5: First ever to win the tournament.
[1:41:07] Speaker 1: First ever to win the tournament. I got first team
[1:41:14] Speaker 1: all defense. I got turkey. I was trying to tell you.
[1:41:17] Speaker 1: And you got rid of it. Huh? Because you just
[1:41:19] Speaker 1: play like tofu. No. Is turkey really good for Thanksgiving?
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: I know it's supposed to be. I don't know. It's fire.
[1:41:24] Speaker 7: Turkey has a fire.
[1:41:26] Speaker 1: It don't matter if it's good.
[1:41:26] Speaker 3: You got it. You got it.
[1:41:28] Speaker 1: And the mac and cheese. You got it. The turkey
[1:41:29] Speaker 1: really is that delicious. I got turkey, man.
[1:41:32] Speaker 5: Deep fried turkey is the best.
[1:41:34] Speaker 7: You got mac and cheese that gave me peas.
[1:41:36] Speaker 1: Gil, if you season peas correctly, they can take it.
[1:41:39] Speaker 1: How they give you peas? You got Luca.
[1:41:41] Speaker 3: Huh?
[1:41:42] Speaker 1: That's what I'm keeping in mind. You got Luca. No, no, no.
[1:41:45] Speaker 1: They gave you this. Nigga, you just.
[1:41:48] Speaker 7: Came from the finals. You got another nigga from the finals.
[1:41:50] Speaker 7: You actually swapped out perfectly. We went to the finals. Nigga,
[1:41:54] Speaker 7: you went to the finals. Here you go, nigga. How
[1:41:57] Speaker 7: much you want, Gil? What do you want from me?
[1:42:00] Speaker 7: I want the same meal.
[1:42:02] Speaker 1: If you're going to judge me against another man, I
[1:42:05] Speaker 1: want the same exact meal. You got the meal for
[1:42:08] Speaker 1: 42 games. Ingredients that he used to see who's the
[1:42:10] Speaker 1: better cook.
[1:42:11] Speaker 4: 42 games.
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: You can't tell me.
[1:42:12] Speaker 7: You can't cook a Thanksgiving meal and have this and
[1:42:15] Speaker 7: then change my pieces and then niggas who don't like peas.
[1:42:19] Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like that. I like the mac
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: and cheese. Of course you like mac and cheese. I
[1:42:22] Speaker 1: do too. But they gave me peas.
[1:42:24] Speaker 5: But you might make the peas better.
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: You didn't have peas.
[1:42:28] Speaker 7: That was a nigga cooking Thanksgiving dinner in this side
[1:42:46] Speaker 7: Then you bring the white boy in, and now he
[1:42:49] Speaker 7: cooking Thanksgiving dinner.
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: It's not going to be the same Thanksgiving dinner.
[1:42:53] Speaker 7: The mac and cheese is going to taste different. The
[1:42:55] Speaker 7: motherfucking tater salad is going to taste different. Hey, the
[1:42:58] Speaker 7: ham is going to be a little bit undercooked in
[1:43:01] Speaker 7: this bitch a little bit, too. There will be a
[1:43:02] Speaker 7: green bean casserole.
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: The gravy is going to be a little bit salty.
[1:43:05] Speaker 7: It ain't going to be the same dinner.
[1:43:07] Speaker 1: My nigga. It depends on the Lauri sauce. The Lauri sauce.
[1:43:12] Speaker 7: You don't know how to use the ingredients. You don't
[1:43:17] Speaker 7: know how to use the ingredients for a good Thanksgiving feast.
[1:43:25] Speaker 1: I have a.
[1:43:25] Speaker 7: Westbrook coming off the bench nobody liked before.
[1:43:28] Speaker 1: You are using the before. That's Durban Ham. That wasn't
[1:43:34] Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. But that's what I have coming
[1:43:37] Speaker 1: off the bat. You're moving it. You're moving it. You're
[1:43:40] Speaker 1: moving it.
[1:43:41] Speaker 7: Westbrook wasn't conference finals. He wasn't on that team. This
[1:43:45] Speaker 7: is a different Thanksgiving, nigga. This is the one where
[1:43:48] Speaker 7: we was in the back watching the movies outside.
[1:43:51] Speaker 1: It was cool. It was the L.A. Thanksgiving. Westbrook was
[1:43:56] Speaker 1: on that team.
[1:43:57] Speaker 3: Through 2023. When did they go to the Western Conference Finals?
[1:44:00] Speaker 1: Ooh. Fucking goddamn. I do know my best. This is
[1:44:04] Speaker 1: my team.
[1:44:04] Speaker 7: You're on the phone. You're on the phone. I have
[1:44:09] Speaker 7: a Westbrook who comes off the bench 16-8-8.
[1:44:12] Speaker 5: The only dude that played every game too.
[1:44:13] Speaker 1: His stats is better than every guard I have combined.
[1:44:17] Speaker 2: Now, Westbrook was bought out, I believe, before midway through
[1:44:21] Speaker 2: that season. So he wasn't on the team in the playoffs.
[1:44:24] Speaker 1: I had Russell. I had Russell. DeAngelo.
[1:44:26] Speaker 3: DeAngelo.
[1:44:30] Speaker 1: I'll take D'Angelo right now before all the guards we have. Nah, man.
[1:44:35] Speaker 7: Speaker box. That's a different Thanksgiving, my nigga. That's a
[1:44:37] Speaker 7: different Thanksgiving you're talking about. Remember, you said you want
[1:44:40] Speaker 7: the same Thanksgiving.
[1:44:40] Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait.
[1:44:41] Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on.
[1:44:42] Speaker 1: What are you talking about? D'Angelo's not even playing in Dallas.
[1:44:44] Speaker 1: Hold on. He's not even playing in Dallas right now.
[1:44:46] Speaker 1: So you're saying D'Angelo that year.
[1:44:51] Speaker 7: Isn't better than every guard combined that we have.
[1:44:56] Speaker 3: Marcus Smart, Bronny James, and Gabe.
[1:45:00] Speaker 1: Those are my three guards I got to play. Yeah,
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: he better than us. Oh, I thank you. I know
[1:45:04] Speaker 1: he's not playing now. I know. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:45:08] Speaker 5: It's not about that, though.
[1:45:09] Speaker 1: The team is different. You got Luke. You got three
[1:45:12] Speaker 1: guard perimeter now. Three guard perimeter and nobody else.
[1:45:15] Speaker 5: Why you keep saying nobody else? Like, you're just going
[1:45:17] Speaker 5: to disrespect these dudes like nobody else.
[1:45:19] Speaker 1: Why you moving the goal post like that? That's what
[1:45:21] Speaker 1: he do when he's losing. Instead of just taking the L.
[1:45:24] Speaker 5: Why you just take the bear what he had and
[1:45:26] Speaker 5: then see what he had?
[1:45:27] Speaker 1: Let us go to the next topic.
[1:45:28] Speaker 5: Take the L, nigga.
[1:45:28] Speaker 1: We good. What did the coach tell? Because we started with,
[1:45:32] Speaker 1: what did the coach tell? Luka, a guy who just
[1:45:36] Speaker 1: ain't made to do what? Coach Reddick told Luka to
[1:45:38] Speaker 1: trust the pass. He said, trust the pass.
[1:45:42] Speaker 7: He said, trust the pass because this man don't want
[1:45:46] Speaker 7: to pass it to the team he has. We've seen
[1:45:50] Speaker 7: Luka in the finals.
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: He don't lie. He passes to everybody on Dallas. So
[1:45:54] Speaker 1: I got to trust his justice. I got to trust
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: his justice that he sees some shit out there that
[1:46:01] Speaker 1: he don't want to pass it to. He's trying to
[1:46:06] Speaker 1: see what he passes to a Dallas.
[1:46:07] Speaker 3: It ain't the same.
[1:46:08] Speaker 1: It ain't the same. It ain't the same. It ain't
[1:46:13] Speaker 1: the same.
[1:46:13] Speaker 7: Who was the dude that went to Charlotte that they
[1:46:16] Speaker 7: moved to Charlotte?
[1:46:17] Speaker 3: Who else?
[1:46:17] Speaker 1: Was it Caleb Martin? We're black and brown. L.A. Martin. Smith,
[1:46:28] Speaker 1: Dorian Smith. He look good. Those three motherfuckers are the
[1:46:32] Speaker 1: same as Vanderbilt?
[1:46:33] Speaker 3: No, no.
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: Rui? No. J.Ruiz? They're the same niggas.
[1:46:40] Speaker 5: It ain't no big difference.
[1:46:41] Speaker 1: It is a big difference. It ain't no big difference.
[1:46:44] Speaker 6: What's up?
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: Shoot that shit, motherfuckers. Shoot that shit. You know, it
[1:46:54] Speaker 1: ain't shit when I just described somebody. I said, yeah,
[1:46:57] Speaker 1: he gonna make one three. He gonna air ball the
[1:46:58] Speaker 1: next one. He was like, Marcus. For sure.
[1:47:01] Speaker 7: So, he looking at it like, he just made that one.
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: Marcus gonna come down and get you a charge. He
[1:47:08] Speaker 1: gonna come down and make a nigga kick the ball.
[1:47:09] Speaker 1: He missed that layup the other day. Remember that layup?
[1:47:11] Speaker 1: He missed that layup. All you have to do is
[1:47:13] Speaker 1: toss off.
[1:47:14] Speaker 7: The rod and they pull back and boom. He like
[1:47:16] Speaker 7: threw it off the back. He be high out there.
[1:47:19] Speaker 7: It's cool, but he entertainment. It's what you want.
[1:47:21] Speaker 1: It's what you want. It's entertainment. He the only nigga
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: out there entertaining. He working on his second career out there.
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: For sure. He don't get mad at the fuck ups
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: or nothing. He in LA. He in LA. You ever
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: watch somebody on the fast break.
[1:47:34] Speaker 3: And don't feel confident with it?
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: Yes. He be sitting there like, ha, ha. Uncomfortable as hell.
[1:47:38] Speaker 1: You be like, ha, ha, ha. Slow it down. Slow
[1:47:46] Speaker 1: it down. Slow it down. Slow it down. Slow it down.
[1:47:51] Speaker 1: Slow it down. Slow it down. Slow it down. Slow
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: it down. Slow it down. Slow it down. Slow it down.
[1:47:55] Speaker 1: Slow it down. Slow it down. We asked the chat,
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: who did more with the Lakers, Darvin Ham or J.J.
[1:48:15] Speaker 7: Redick?
[1:48:15] Speaker 1: Who did more with the Lakers?
[1:48:16] Speaker 3: Who did more with the Lakers, Darvin Ham or JJ Redick?
[1:48:19] Speaker 3: Darvin Ham.
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, don't cheat.
[1:48:20] Speaker 7: You're looking at the chat right now on the phone. 61%
[1:48:25] Speaker 7: of the chat said Darvin Ham. You was a funny nigga, Joseph.
[1:48:30] Speaker 7: You was a funny nigga, man. You be on your shit.
[1:48:33] Speaker 1: I tried. Thank you. You asked who did better. He
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: asked you the grade. No, no. First he asked you.
[1:48:41] Speaker 5: The grade, how was it, and you made the comparison.
[1:48:43] Speaker 1: He said he asked to chat. Who did?
[1:48:45] Speaker 3: I didn't ask to chat.
[1:48:46] Speaker 1: Our producers did. What did they ask? Who did more
[1:48:48] Speaker 1: with the Lakers? Who did more with the Lakers? Obviously,
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: the person who goes to the Western Conference final, duh.
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: Is it obvious? Hey, that's a whole double up. Can
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: we ask to chat? That wasn't what we was arguing about.
[1:48:57] Speaker 5: That was not what we was arguing about. What the fuck?
[1:49:00] Speaker 5: They threw you under the bus, Gil. They tried to
[1:49:02] Speaker 5: throw you under the bus.
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: Your own executive producer was over there.
[1:49:04] Speaker 7: Hey, what the dude with Michael Jordan was in there.
[1:49:06] Speaker 1: He was in there gambling with Mike. Hey, Mike. He
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: was like, hey, GT. Hey, he came. He went this way. Hey, GT. Hey, man, listen.
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: I have stress in the morning.
[1:49:15] Speaker 3: I don't need stress right here.
[1:49:18] Speaker 1: I got a man who literally don't shoot.
[1:49:20] Speaker 3: Nobody on shooting games.
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
[1:49:24] Speaker 3: Okay, I gotta, yeah, I gotta have a shootout with
[1:49:26] Speaker 3: a guy who don't believe in shooting people.
[1:49:28] Speaker 1: Oh, he got a conscious. Yeah. My show. I can't shoot.
[1:49:34] Speaker 9: Oh, my God.
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: My show. Yeah, my show. We played two weeks. He
[1:49:38] Speaker 1: hasn't actually shot a human being yet.
[1:49:40] Speaker 5: Okay, we should get married.
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: In the middle of shootouts. He's hiding. For what? Yeah,
[1:49:45] Speaker 1: you know, I can talk to him. Talk him down.
[1:49:48] Speaker 1: He like Carl Winslow and Die Hard. Man. Negotiate. Negotiate.
[1:49:53] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man. I've been on edge lately because I've
[1:49:56] Speaker 1: been losing a lot of good guns. Carl Winslow and
[1:49:59] Speaker 1: Die Hard.
[1:50:00] Speaker 2: All right, so we got one last thing before we
[1:50:02] Speaker 2: wrap it up for the day.
[1:50:04] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:50:05] Speaker 1: Hold on.
[1:50:05] Speaker 2: Let me pull it up good because you got me
[1:50:07] Speaker 2: all confused and flustered. so Tyrese Halliburton made an appearance
[1:50:12] Speaker 2: on the Mind the Game podcast Tuesday him and LeBron
[1:50:14] Speaker 2: discussed a variety of topics including their mutual dislike of
[1:50:17] Speaker 2: the 65 game minimum for postseason awards Halliburton had good
[1:50:20] Speaker 2: reason for it the year it was instituted he was
[1:50:22] Speaker 2: available for his Supermax contract so he felt like he
[1:50:24] Speaker 2: was forced to have to play those games said you
[1:50:27] Speaker 2: know I think him and LeBron I forget who the
[1:50:28] Speaker 2: other person was that was their contract so they talked
[1:50:32] Speaker 2: about the 65 game minimum and the rash of soft
[1:50:36] Speaker 2: tissue injuries that have plagued the league in recent years
[1:50:39] Speaker 2: with LeBron offering these thoughts.
[1:50:41] Speaker 3: The game is different.
[1:50:42] Speaker 12: I want people to understand and our fans to understand
[1:50:46] Speaker 12: that playing 82 games in the 80s and 90s is
[1:50:48] Speaker 12: not the same as playing 82 games in the 2020s.
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: It's just not.
[1:50:56] Speaker 12: The way we play, the level of pace, the level
[1:51:00] Speaker 12: of the speed that we're playing at, it's a different
[1:51:06] Speaker 12: game now.
[1:51:06] Speaker 3: It's a totally different game.
[1:51:08] Speaker 12: It's a lot of soft tissue injuries that's happened now
[1:51:11] Speaker 12: because of it. I hope we can get a handle
[1:51:13] Speaker 12: on that as well because that's big.
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: In our game.
[1:51:16] Speaker 12: I think when I first came into the league recently,
[1:51:20] Speaker 12: Some of the biggest concerns of injuries was like, you know,
[1:51:23] Speaker 12: a high ankle sprain. You know, you was afraid to
[1:51:25] Speaker 12: step on somebody's ankle because there was four or five
[1:51:29] Speaker 12: guys sitting in the paint. So, you know, guys with athleticism, myself,
[1:51:34] Speaker 12: Tracy McGrady, you know, Vince Carter, you know, to name
[1:51:37] Speaker 12: a couple guys. Sometimes you're afraid to take off into
[1:51:40] Speaker 12: the lane because there was four or five guys sitting
[1:51:42] Speaker 12: in the paint. If you land on somebody's ankle, you
[1:51:43] Speaker 12: get a high ankle sprain, you out four to six weeks.
[1:51:46] Speaker 12: You know, now that's not really much of a, you
[1:51:49] Speaker 12: don't really see that as much now because the game
[1:51:52] Speaker 12: is so spread open. It's so much pace. But now
[1:51:55] Speaker 12: you see the new high ankle sprain is the calf.
[1:51:58] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:51:59] Speaker 12: You know, so, you know, I don't want that from
[1:52:02] Speaker 12: a medical standpoint, but it's just a game. I just
[1:52:04] Speaker 12: want the fans to understand that the game is a
[1:52:06] Speaker 12: little different.
[1:52:11] Speaker 5: Nah.
[1:52:12] Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out.
[1:52:14] Speaker 1: Okay, what's your question? Yeah, ask the question first.
[1:52:18] Speaker 2: What's your reaction to LeBron's comments? It's harder to play
[1:52:21] Speaker 2: 82 games now, essentially, than it was in previous years.
[1:52:24] Speaker 1: I think Damian and OKC all played Damian almost 82 games.
[1:52:28] Speaker 1: And they played offense and defense.
[1:52:30] Speaker 3: So.
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: I've played basketball before. I really believe it's easier to
[1:52:40] Speaker 1: go from three-point line to three-point line versus baseline to baseline.
[1:52:46] Speaker 1: I just get to come up, chuck a three, then
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: get back, and he's going to come back, chuck a three.
[1:52:50] Speaker 5: I got to come back, chuck a three.
[1:52:52] Speaker 1: No screen. I think I can wrestle out. You know
[1:52:55] Speaker 1: what I mean? It's not.
[1:52:57] Speaker 7: Going in the lane, dodging bodies, getting hit, falling. How
[1:53:01] Speaker 7: AI played with bodies and bodies and bodies. That would
[1:53:05] Speaker 7: be harder.
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. Versus just coming down and chucking a three.
[1:53:08] Speaker 1: That's why you don't play 25 years. That's why older
[1:53:11] Speaker 1: people play. That's why older people shoot threes.
[1:53:13] Speaker 3: Why would you lose when you get out of shape?
[1:53:15] Speaker 3: What you want to do?
[1:53:16] Speaker 5: Shoot threes.
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: That's why Jason Kemp became a three-point shooter. That's why
[1:53:19] Speaker 1: you're limited to 18, 19 years in the league. That's
[1:53:22] Speaker 1: why you can play now at 41 because the game
[1:53:26] Speaker 1: is easier. The game is easier.
[1:53:28] Speaker 6: It's probably not easier for him because you got to
[1:53:32] Speaker 6: have a three-pointer.
[1:53:33] Speaker 1: You got to be able to shoot that. No, no, no.
[1:53:34] Speaker 7: He's still low managing. He's still doing other shit. Taking
[1:53:37] Speaker 7: breaks and shit. Brian has played the most minutes in
[1:53:39] Speaker 7: NBA history. Just pointing that out.
[1:53:41] Speaker 3: Over 72,000.
[1:53:41] Speaker 1: But he spends a million dollars on his body a year.
[1:53:44] Speaker 5: Yeah, but he only played all 82 once.
[1:53:46] Speaker 2: Only played all 82 one time, Norris.
[1:53:47] Speaker 3: That is correct. Let's not talk about it. But it
[1:53:49] Speaker 3: was a masterful.
[1:53:50] Speaker 7: At 41 in 2020, whatever.
[1:53:53] Speaker 1: In his peak years, he could have played 82 more
[1:53:55] Speaker 1: than Five, six, seven times.
[1:53:58] Speaker 2: But he has played over 70 games in 15 of
[1:54:01] Speaker 2: his 23 seasons.
[1:54:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just.
[1:54:04] Speaker 5: All 82 is a different.
[1:54:05] Speaker 1: Imagine getting punched in the chest. Gary Payton, they used
[1:54:09] Speaker 1: to play 82. They don't do four games in five
[1:54:11] Speaker 1: nights anymore.
[1:54:11] Speaker 5: I'm about to say the traveling is different.
[1:54:14] Speaker 1: It's better traveling. You're getting punched in midair, though. You're
[1:54:17] Speaker 1: getting clotheslined. You're getting kicked in the knees. The traveling better.
[1:54:20] Speaker 7: The shoes are better now.
[1:54:23] Speaker 5: I'm sure the work better.
[1:54:26] Speaker 1: I feel like the internet is better now. The internet
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: and social media have impacted work quality. The work today
[1:54:31] Speaker 1: is way easier than back then. It's easier and better.
[1:54:33] Speaker 1: You used to come to the house and cook in
[1:54:35] Speaker 1: the 90s.
[1:54:35] Speaker 6: You let me be a star today playing in this air.
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: You'll be on TMZ every other day. You'll be like Zion.
[1:54:50] Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't.
[1:54:52] Speaker 1: First of all, I.
[1:54:54] Speaker 7: Look way better than Zion.
[1:54:57] Speaker 1: That ain't my aura. It ain't about your aura. It's
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: the girl's aura now. Yeah, that's fine, but my aura
[1:55:02] Speaker 1: look way better than... What I'm saying is the work
[1:55:05] Speaker 1: ain't better because the work tails. They have social media.
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: They tell a teller now. I don't care. I'm up.
[1:55:12] Speaker 1: If I'm up and single, I don't care. Tell it.
[1:55:16] Speaker 1: Tell how good I am. Listen. The book of bullshit,
[1:55:20] Speaker 1: chapter 22. Bring it. No, no. Bring it. Bring it.
[1:55:23] Speaker 1: Book of bullshit. Harder to play 82 games now, but
[1:55:26] Speaker 1: it's easier to play for 25 years.
[1:55:27] Speaker 7: 23 seasons, 72,000 minutes, most career games.
[1:55:38] Speaker 1: I can stretch it out, though. It's harder to do this,
[1:55:42] Speaker 1: but it's easier to do this.
[1:55:44] Speaker 7: This is the difference for me. You know, it's taxing
[1:55:46] Speaker 7: on the body. 82 is taxing, right? Did 79 one time. Shit, me, 79.
[1:55:53] Speaker 7: I was getting low minutes. I wasn't doing a lot
[1:55:55] Speaker 7: of shit. I was out there spending a million dollars
[1:55:58] Speaker 7: on your body every year. There's a place in motherfucking
[1:56:02] Speaker 7: Columbia called Bio Accelerator. It's themselves and shit. They fix you.
[1:56:09] Speaker 7: Ain't no excuse to not play no 82 games, especially
[1:56:11] Speaker 7: what you just said. We're going three-point line to three-point line.
[1:56:15] Speaker 7: He just explained it. Ain't nobody's in the lane for
[1:56:17] Speaker 7: you to even get the motherfucking ankle sprains or the
[1:56:21] Speaker 7: knee-to-knees or ACLs, all the shit we was getting.
[1:56:26] Speaker 1: So you got rehab. Our rehabilitation better than the 90s. Goddamn, what?
[1:56:30] Speaker 1: Commercial flight?
[1:56:32] Speaker 3: They be doing commercial flights.
[1:56:34] Speaker 1: And they needed the leg room. I mean, yeah, somewhat.
[1:56:36] Speaker 1: But then at the same time, then why everybody getting
[1:56:39] Speaker 1: hurt then? No, no, let me say it. Let me
[1:56:41] Speaker 1: say it.
[1:56:42] Speaker 3: He said, he said, soft tissue. Referring to the tissue.
[1:56:48] Speaker 1: Soft tissue damage. Meaning I'm laying around more. Right now,
[1:56:56] Speaker 1: if we all went out and played, besides you, you
[1:56:59] Speaker 1: still play. But if we went out there right now
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: and played five or six games, I know I'm pulling something.
[1:57:08] Speaker 3: I'm going to have a soft tissue tear.
[1:57:11] Speaker 7: If I play hard enough and I'm running up and
[1:57:13] Speaker 7: down trying to guard somebody, I'm.
[1:57:15] Speaker 1: Going to pull soft tissue muscles because I'm not trained
[1:57:18] Speaker 1: enough Yeah, you're gonna play defense if we play?
[1:57:20] Speaker 3: What? You're gonna play defense if we play?
[1:57:23] Speaker 1: I'm playing post. He's gonna compete. I'm playing post. He's
[1:57:26] Speaker 1: gonna compete. He's gonna compete a little bit.
[1:57:29] Speaker 7: Hey, hey, I'm going from 3.1 to 3.9.
[1:57:32] Speaker 1: I got him. I got him. Right. But look, we
[1:57:38] Speaker 1: all understand it if we think about what we do
[1:57:41] Speaker 1: when we get older, right? We only want to sit
[1:57:44] Speaker 1: at the three-point line and chuck. So it is easier
[1:57:47] Speaker 1: for us. So they're getting soft tissue because they're.
[1:57:50] Speaker 3: Not doing what we did.
[1:57:51] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:57:53] Speaker 3: They're not running all the miles. They're not doing all
[1:57:55] Speaker 3: of that.
[1:57:55] Speaker 1: So it is easier. What's happening is all the rest
[1:57:58] Speaker 1: that they're getting, they don't have four games and five nights.
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: Eight games and ten days.
[1:58:03] Speaker 3: They don't have them.
[1:58:04] Speaker 1: And they're not practicing. Only two hours on top of that. Yeah,
[1:58:06] Speaker 1: like from right now, I think the Lakers got, what,
[1:58:08] Speaker 1: four or five more games. back-to-backs? Yes. We had that.
[1:58:12] Speaker 1: That was in a month. Every other couple weeks. Right?
[1:58:15] Speaker 1: So they have more rest. It's so crazy that you'll
[1:58:19] Speaker 1: get paid more now, but you rest more. My son
[1:58:21] Speaker 1: in college, listen, college basketball, I asked my son. You
[1:58:24] Speaker 1: get paid more to sit down and not do nothing.
[1:58:26] Speaker 1: I asked my son, I said, yo, hey, have y'all
[1:58:28] Speaker 1: been bumping in 5-on-5? Right?
[1:58:31] Speaker 3: He said, no, we haven't played 5-on-5. I said, what
[1:58:34] Speaker 3: do you mean you haven't played 5-on-5 yet? He said, no,
[1:58:36] Speaker 3: we don't do 5-on-5 in practice.
[1:58:37] Speaker 1: 5-on-0. No, one-on-one practice. So I said, wait, you're about
[1:58:41] Speaker 1: to play in the college basketball game. And y'all haven't
[1:58:45] Speaker 1: went five on five for you to get the bodies
[1:58:47] Speaker 1: and look. So the first time he played five on
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: five since the McDonald's All-American game was his first college game.
[1:58:56] Speaker 1: So I said, bro, it's going to take you about
[1:59:00] Speaker 1: five or six games.
[1:59:01] Speaker 3: Like, I understand Musk, what he's going to do.
[1:59:03] Speaker 1: But I said, for you to understand five on five again,
[1:59:06] Speaker 1: it's going to take you about five games.
[1:59:08] Speaker 3: So, good luck.
[1:59:09] Speaker 5: Get your proprioception right. You got everything right. You're balancing everything.
[1:59:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to understand the conditioning with the... But
[1:59:14] Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying.
[1:59:15] Speaker 3: The conditioning is fine.
[1:59:16] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, just understanding bodies and running through the land. Yeah, man.
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: But Mus says, you know, he has to, like, they...
[1:59:24] Speaker 1: prepare different and understand that the game is very different.
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: So they prepare different. So I said, I understand that
[1:59:29] Speaker 1: part of it. But I said, for you personally coming
[1:59:31] Speaker 1: back from injury, you ain't been there the whole time
[1:59:33] Speaker 1: conditioning with the rest of them. So I said, you
[1:59:35] Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get on the same
[1:59:37] Speaker 1: page with them. They know how to play 5-on-5.
[1:59:39] Speaker 3: You don't.
[1:59:40] Speaker 1: So they're at a position in the season where they're
[1:59:45] Speaker 1: worrying about game to game. And you're coming into the
[1:59:48] Speaker 1: part where you have to get it on your own
[1:59:50] Speaker 1: and learn how to play 5-on-5. It's hard. Get some
[1:59:52] Speaker 1: of the guys who don't play, some of the ball kids,
[1:59:54] Speaker 1: go to the rec center and play 5-on-5.
[1:59:55] Speaker 6: That's crazy, bro. That's crazy that it's hard to find run.
[1:59:58] Speaker 5: No, but listen, bro. The mentality is weird now. They
[2:00:01] Speaker 5: want you to play harder in the game than practice.
[2:00:04] Speaker 5: If you want your body to be strong, you got
[2:00:06] Speaker 5: to practice harder and train harder.
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: So the game is easy.
[2:00:10] Speaker 5: The society is messed up now. Save it for the game.
[2:00:13] Speaker 5: How are you going to save it for the game
[2:00:14] Speaker 5: if you ain't training the right way? Everybody knows training
[2:00:17] Speaker 5: got to be harder than the game. But now the
[2:00:19] Speaker 5: game is harder than practice.
[2:00:20] Speaker 7: It's like, it's like, I'll save it for the game.
[2:00:25] Speaker 1: We'll save it for the game.
[2:00:26] Speaker 5: No, your off-season resume, you was running, shooting crazy. A
[2:00:30] Speaker 5: thousand shots a day, running, lifting.
[2:00:32] Speaker 1: Even during regular season, I have my workouts, I don't
[2:00:35] Speaker 1: have that team workout.
[2:00:36] Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying though, but your off-season workouts was
[2:00:38] Speaker 5: much harder than you going out there shooting 20 shots.
[2:00:40] Speaker 5: That was easy, your 20 shots a game was easy.
[2:00:41] Speaker 7: But don't it sound like he's actually telling Tyrese like,
[2:00:45] Speaker 7: embrace the load management, don't be thinking about going all 82.
[2:00:51] Speaker 7: Like a guy like Mikael Bridges who's going to go
[2:00:53] Speaker 7: out there and he, like, I remember you saying, you
[2:00:55] Speaker 7: were saying, like, he figured out a way not to
[2:00:57] Speaker 7: be in the weight room, being, doing too much. He's
[2:00:59] Speaker 7: figured out a way to take care of his body
[2:01:01] Speaker 7: to the point where he can go out there every
[2:01:03] Speaker 7: single night, 38 minutes.
[2:01:05] Speaker 3: That's what somebody I want to ask. Like, I want
[2:01:07] Speaker 3: to hear him talk.
[2:01:09] Speaker 1: Richard Hamilton do.
[2:01:10] Speaker 7: He was one of the guys that figured it out, like,
[2:01:13] Speaker 7: this is how we do it. It's like, we don't
[2:01:14] Speaker 7: have to be in the weight room doing all this
[2:01:16] Speaker 7: strong shit, but learn your own body to where.
[2:01:19] Speaker 1: It's not soft tissue. It's not.
[2:01:22] Speaker 7: You go get a real massage. You don't get a
[2:01:24] Speaker 7: soft tissue massage. You get a real massage, you know,
[2:01:27] Speaker 7: with the happy ending and shit.
[2:01:29] Speaker 1: You be good. You know what I'm saying? You good
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: at the end. You release. You good. You strong. Knees
[2:01:36] Speaker 1: is good. But you soft tissue, you just getting the
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: rub down, bro. You ain't really getting into the muscles.
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: You ain't pouring into the calf enough.
[2:01:45] Speaker 7: And that's why motherfuckers got all these little calf injuries.
[2:01:47] Speaker 5: I think it's the off-season where it ain't hard to
[2:01:50] Speaker 5: Rubber band workouts rubber man workouts can get you tired
[2:02:00] Speaker 5: get you swole But what your body needs you can't
[2:02:03] Speaker 5: simulate that with rubber bands. You just can't physiologically don't you?
[2:02:06] Speaker 5: You gotta feel the gravity of the ground running and
[2:02:09] Speaker 5: jumping you gotta feel the iron you just you have
[2:02:11] Speaker 5: to there's no getting around and we trying to get
[2:02:13] Speaker 5: around it with these new-age pretty weights and machinery and
[2:02:17] Speaker 5: stuff instead of just keeping to the basics, bro.
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: I'm a new owner, man.
[2:02:21] Speaker 3: I pay you to play in the game. Period.
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: Save it for the game. I need you to play
[2:02:28] Speaker 1: as many as you can.
[2:02:30] Speaker 5: How can I stay ready for the game without getting injured?
[2:02:38] Speaker 1: Okay? You better be ready for the game. You better
[2:02:42] Speaker 1: be ready for the game. Hey, you can't make the
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: club in the tub, my friend. I don't need you
[2:02:47] Speaker 1: having your 32 in practice. I need you having your
[2:02:49] Speaker 1: 32 in the game. Whatever you need to do to
[2:02:52] Speaker 1: get in the game. Hey, I'll see you in the game.
[2:02:55] Speaker 3: For sure.
[2:02:55] Speaker 7: I'm going to be here. I'm not talking about practice.
[2:02:58] Speaker 7: Let's go to the practice gym.
[2:02:59] Speaker 5: He played every game, though.
[2:03:00] Speaker 1: Every game?
[2:03:01] Speaker 5: He played every game.
[2:03:02] Speaker 1: No excuses.
[2:03:03] Speaker 5: Nah.
[2:03:04] Speaker 1: We don't need none of that.
[2:03:05] Speaker 2: Well, that's a good place for us to wrap up
[2:03:07] Speaker 2: for the day. Once again, shout out to Norris Cole
[2:03:10] Speaker 2: making his return to the arena.
[2:03:11] Speaker 3: Appreciate you pulling up.
[2:03:13] Speaker 1: Be back tomorrow?
[2:03:14] Speaker 5: I'll be back tomorrow.
[2:03:15] Speaker 3: Okay. Hope your team wins tonight. We're going to be
[2:03:17] Speaker 3: praying for them.
[2:03:18] Speaker 5: Appreciate that.
[2:03:19] Speaker 3: Can you hear tomorrow?
[2:03:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:03:21] Speaker 3: Hold on. Let me talk my name real quick.
[2:03:22] Speaker 1: You might have found what you were looking for. No, no, no.
[2:03:25] Speaker 1: I found it. I didn't want to disrespect the kid.
[2:03:28] Speaker 1: You know, he averaged nine.
[2:03:30] Speaker 2: Shout out to the distinguished gentleman, Oak Cliff Henry Martin.
[2:03:34] Speaker 3: The thing was getting drafted. He wasn't getting drafted.
[2:03:36] Speaker 1: He wasn't getting drafted.
[2:03:37] Speaker 2: Shout out everybody in the chat. We appreciate you. Best
[2:03:39] Speaker 2: chat in the game. Shout out to everybody on this couch.
[2:03:41] Speaker 2: Shout out to our amazing crew and staff. Now to
[2:03:44] Speaker 2: the chat. Near and afar. This has been another episode
[2:03:47] Speaker 2: of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:03:49] Speaker 1: We will see y'all tomorrow. They said he wasn't getting drafted.

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