# Jimmy Butler's 2nd Suspension SHOCKS Gil's Arena!!

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 22 Jan 2025, 2 h 38 min.

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Gil's Arena Debates Jimmy Butler's PERFECT Fit With The Phoenix Suns as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to the Phoenix Suns mysterious trade to land 3 1st round picks and lay the ground work for a potential move to land the perfect piece to their system in Jimmy Butler. The GA Crew debates this fit for Jimmy alongside Kevin Durant & Devin Booker and discuss if swapping out Bradley Beal for Butler is the right move to save a floundering superteam. Next, they react to LeBron James' HISTORIC triple double as The King became just the 2nd player to record a triple double over the age of 40 and continued to make his mark on a turbulent Los Angeles Lakers season before breaking down Joel Embiid's decision to duck Nikola Jokic for the 6th season in a row, launching a hostile debate over who is the better hooper right now. Finally, they react to Kevin Durant's list of the top 5 pure hoopers in NBA History and name their own picks for the NBA legends with the smoothest game. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Josiah Johnson, Gilbert Arenas, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena Merch is Available NOW at https://gilsarenamerch.com/ Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena USE Code GIL for $20 off tickets on SeatGeek https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL To get YOUR FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag, go to https://ruffgreens.com & use Promo code GIL SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 2min Countdown 0:00:00 Player Introductions 0:02:02 Show Start 0:03:44 Rashad Brings The Crew Some Gifts 0:05:15 Jimmy Butler Continues To Troll Miami 0:10:36 Are The Heat Better Off Without Jimmy? 0:32:29 The Suns Are Pushing To Make A Big Move 0:38:40 Joel Embiid DUCKS Jokic Again 1:03:53 Cemetery Larry COOKS The Lakers Midseason Grade 1:14:37 LeBron Attends Ohio State's National Championship 1:38:00 Top 5 Pure Hoopers 1:40:58 Cade Cunningham & Jalen Green's HEATED Beef 1:55:52 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:08] Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Good job. We got a nice audience today.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Make you feel awkward, everybody's just shh. We back.
[0:20] Speaker 2: Hold on, let me get the wires. Get the mic out,
[0:23] Speaker 2: pass the wire cutters. How everybody doing today?
[0:26] Speaker 1: Good, good, good.
[0:27] Speaker 2: Another productive day. We got glitter. Cream, shoot all in
[0:31] Speaker 2: your mouth, glitter. Got the OG crew here in the arena.
[0:38] Speaker 2: A lot of things to discuss. MLK week. More than
[0:42] Speaker 2: a day. What's up with you, good?
[0:44] Speaker 1: You chilling? Yeah, man. I don't feel it.
[0:49] Speaker 3: It's like somebody stole the moment.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Stole the moment on the Martin Luther King week, man.
[0:57] Speaker 1: That is... See, Sexy Ray had to apologize. I ain't
[1:00] Speaker 1: seen no barbecues, no nothing. Not a rib sandwich, no nothing.
[1:05] Speaker 1: Some unseasoned chicken on the grill. I've seen some celebrations.
[1:08] Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of celebrating. I don't know if
[1:12] Speaker 1: you was invited. On my part now. Grills and all kind.
[1:15] Speaker 4: Of flags in the yard and all kind of shit.
[1:19] Speaker 1: Flags. Awkward gestures, all types of shit going on. Liberty.
[1:22] Speaker 1: All types of shit going on. Flags in the yard.
[1:24] Speaker 1: But this is Gills Arena presented by Underdog. Whoop, whoop. Whoop, whoop.
[1:29] Speaker 1: So we got a lot to get into today, but
[1:31] Speaker 1: before we do, we still got... Before we do... All right,
[1:33] Speaker 1: go ahead. I came bearing gifts. Uh-oh. Something specific for you,
[1:38] Speaker 1: my brother. Which we got? My brother, could you bring
[1:41] Speaker 1: me the gift bag, man? Can you give me the
[1:44] Speaker 1: gift bag, man? Another Lakers chip? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man, just,
[1:51] Speaker 1: you know, little T-shirt, man. I'll wear it. You know, man. Oh! Oh! Woo!
[2:02] Speaker 1: Hold on. Let me hold it up. Hold it up.
[2:05] Speaker 1: We're going to slay this. Oh, with the silhouette, looking slender. Uh-huh.
[2:10] Speaker 1: Hooks you up. Yeah, you take up two letters. You
[2:13] Speaker 1: take up two letters. I appreciate you.
[2:18] Speaker 5: Just, I'm sorry, are we all good now after the
[2:21] Speaker 5: 54 joke because of the shirt?
[2:23] Speaker 1: It's all good. No, me and Sean are always bearing presents, man.
[2:26] Speaker 1: I like to have a good workplace, a good, healthy workplace.
[2:28] Speaker 2: I appreciate you. And I got a gift for all
[2:30] Speaker 2: the viewers out there. Another legendary episode of Gills Arena
[2:33] Speaker 2: presented by Underdog. So for all the fans, we still
[2:35] Speaker 2: got two viewing options for you, our traditional version. a
[2:38] Speaker 2: vertical mobile version. Pick whichever one you want to watch.
[2:40] Speaker 2: Just make sure you watch the show. And we're going
[2:42] Speaker 2: to get those Amelia host t-shirts out soon. If we
[2:45] Speaker 2: sell three, it's a win for me because I'm buying
[2:47] Speaker 2: two myself. But here's what's cracking in the arena today.
[2:51] Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler continued to troll the heat by rocking shoes
[2:54] Speaker 2: with the sun's colorway. But did Phoenix just come one
[2:57] Speaker 2: step closer to landing the six-time all-star?
[3:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, he did that. What? He did that. And they
[3:03] Speaker 1: lost to the Blazers. That was.
[3:06] Speaker 2: LeBron made his way back from the college football natty
[3:09] Speaker 2: game to make some more history in a Lakers win.
[3:12] Speaker 2: But how would you grade the purple and gold through
[3:13] Speaker 2: the first half of the season? And who are the
[3:17] Speaker 2: best pure hoopers? KD gave his top five, and now
[3:20] Speaker 2: it's time for our crew to give theirs. Before we
[3:23] Speaker 2: get into all that, as always, this show is brought
[3:24] Speaker 2: to you by Underdog. Go ahead and download the app,
[3:26] Speaker 2: use promo code GIL, get up to $ 1, 000 in bonus cash,
[3:28] Speaker 2: plus a special pick-em.
[3:30] Speaker 1: As for tonight, Mr.
[3:31] Speaker 2: B has some picks up in his partner pack on
[3:33] Speaker 2: the Underdog app.
[3:34] Speaker 1: Let us take a look. You got Anthony Edwards higher,
[3:37] Speaker 1: 19.5 points against the Mavericks. They just lost Derek Lively
[3:42] Speaker 1: for a couple months, so that rim might be open.
[3:45] Speaker 1: You got Kyrie Irving higher, 24.5 points, obviously to take
[3:48] Speaker 1: on the Wolves. You got Giannis higher, 29.5 points. They're
[3:53] Speaker 1: playing the Pelicans. That's a little... Yeah, that game got postponed, though.
[3:57] Speaker 1: What happened? The snow? The snow. Damn. If it ain't snowing,
[4:02] Speaker 1: Giannis ain't going. And SGA... Higher, 29.5 points versus the Jazz.
[4:07] Speaker 2: You still got three up there to choose from. Obviously,
[4:10] Speaker 2: the Giannis pick. Not in the mix because that game
[4:13] Speaker 2: has been postponed. It's just a little snow. Get out
[4:15] Speaker 2: there and hoop. We got wildfire. We got all types
[4:18] Speaker 2: of shit going on. And we canceled our games, too.
[4:23] Speaker 1: We came back. We came back. When the Lakers went
[4:26] Speaker 1: back to work, I said, we're going back to work.
[4:29] Speaker 2: So how's everybody feeling about Brandon's picks for tonight?
[4:33] Speaker 1: I've been cooking. Yeah. Not bad. Not bad at all.
[4:37] Speaker 1: Not too shabby. Go ahead and get your money. Mr.
[4:40] Speaker 1: B going to make sure you get paid now. You
[4:42] Speaker 1: know what's going to happen? You know what's going to happen?
[4:44] Speaker 1: You know what's going to happen? Kyrie, it's against Minnesota. Yeah.
[4:49] Speaker 1: It's personal. That might be 40 tonight. Personal is 24.
[4:52] Speaker 1: 40 tonight. Nah. With no Luka? No Luka. Focus is
[4:57] Speaker 1: on Kyrie. Our focus is on Kyrie. 40 tonight. Yeah.
[5:01] Speaker 2: And so he wanted that smoke during the playoff last year.
[5:03] Speaker 2: Quickly changed his mind. But we will see what's going on.
[5:06] Speaker 2: We asked the chat if they were riding or fading
[5:08] Speaker 2: with your picks, Mr. B. It is, ooh, you got 51%
[5:12] Speaker 2: currently riding.
[5:13] Speaker 1: It was 50-50.
[5:14] Speaker 2: It jumped over 51%. So if you like these picks,
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[5:22] Speaker 2: a special pick-em. So we have also started tracking picks
[5:27] Speaker 2: as everybody got in on the partner packs.
[5:29] Speaker 1: So let's take a look. Oh, damn, swaggy. Come on.
[5:34] Speaker 1: You're a 24 or 29. You got 83% of your
[5:36] Speaker 1: picks correct. Okay. You won 2.6 times your bread. Kenyon,
[5:40] Speaker 1: 3 for 4, 75% of his picks. Yeah, 6 times
[5:42] Speaker 1: his bread. Shaw, 6 for 7, 86%. 6.2 times. And Mr. B,
[5:48] Speaker 1: 3 for 3, 100%. 100%. You know what I do?
[5:52] Speaker 1: You know what I do in the clutch? Never lost.
[5:55] Speaker 6: You know what I'm talking about? I'm going to go
[5:56] Speaker 6: get that in MVP finals.
[5:58] Speaker 1: Swaggy Pete. Leave that. To put any piss up in
[6:01] Speaker 1: his partner. Leave that. 0%, 0 to hero. Yeah. Tonight,
[6:08] Speaker 1: after tonight, 4 for 4. Yeah. I mean, you see
[6:14] Speaker 1: that percentage up there, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 26 more.
[6:19] Speaker 1: 26 more. Y'all got to go, man. I'm really comfortable
[6:22] Speaker 1: with my 83. I mean, we just getting started. Yeah,
[6:24] Speaker 1: I'm really comfortable with my 83. I like the 6
[6:27] Speaker 1: or 7 for sure. Yeah. LOL. LOL. Well, gotta love it.
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[7:00] Speaker 2: we gotta talk some more Jimmy Butler, uh, Jimmy Butler's
[7:03] Speaker 2: been trolling Heat for the past few months as he
[7:06] Speaker 2: seeks to force his way out of South Beach. From
[7:08] Speaker 2: dyeing his hair to the colors of his preferred trade
[7:11] Speaker 2: destinations to taking indirect and direct shots at Pat Riley,
[7:16] Speaker 2: Butler has let it be known that his days with
[7:18] Speaker 2: the Heat are numbered. So in his third game back
[7:22] Speaker 2: from suspension, Jimmy Buck has left no doubt by rocking
[7:25] Speaker 2: a sun's colorway of his signature Leaning JB3 shoe in
[7:30] Speaker 2: a loss to the Blazers. Butler played 27 minutes in
[7:32] Speaker 2: the game, scored 13 points on four and nine shooting,
[7:35] Speaker 2: along with eight assists and four boards.
[7:37] Speaker 1: Mr. B, I see you over here smiling.
[7:40] Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Jimmy Butler continuing to troll
[7:43] Speaker 2: the Heat to try to force his way out of Miami?
[7:47] Speaker 1: That's undeniable. That looked like Phoenix. Yeah, for sure. No, Gil,
[7:52] Speaker 1: you're not... What? You're still not sold? That's Miami Heat colorway. Purple. Purple? Yeah.
[8:00] Speaker 1: That's the valley. That's one of their throwback colorways. It
[8:03] Speaker 1: wasn't the one they was wearing.
[8:04] Speaker 3: I know, but I'm just saying, it is part of
[8:07] Speaker 3: their throwback colorways. They got the pink, that purple in
[8:11] Speaker 3: it with the yellow and orange.
[8:13] Speaker 1: They actually do, technically.
[8:14] Speaker 3: They do have a jersey that would match that shoe.
[8:19] Speaker 1: That jersey was not in the rotation. But we do know.
[8:26] Speaker 1: Like Lakers? I mean, we don't got no orange, but...
[8:29] Speaker 1: You know, whatever. We can make it orange. You can
[8:33] Speaker 1: do whatever you want, Jimmy. So, Mr. Cemetery Larry, former
[8:39] Speaker 1: Heat coach. I mean. I mean. If we was lawyers,
[8:43] Speaker 1: we got him. We got you, Jimmy. That was not
[8:45] Speaker 1: the jersey they were wearing.
[8:46] Speaker 3: I know it's not the jersey they were wearing, but
[8:48] Speaker 3: they do have a colorway that.
[8:49] Speaker 1: Go exactly with that one. I'm just saying. We want
[8:54] Speaker 1: to know where you want to go, big dog. That
[8:55] Speaker 1: feels like a colorway detrimental to the team. That's funny.
[8:59] Speaker 1: Detrimental to the team. Colorway detrimental. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[9:03] Speaker 3: Mr.
[9:03] Speaker 2: Cemetery Larry, obviously Purveyor, fine t-shirts, other goods at the
[9:07] Speaker 2: greatness.com website, which you can pick.
[9:09] Speaker 1: Up right now.
[9:10] Speaker 2: What do you think about Jimmy Butler rocking the sun's
[9:14] Speaker 2: colorway in.
[9:16] Speaker 4: The heat lost to the blazers? I don't really think
[9:19] Speaker 4: nothing of it. I've been off Jimmy since the emo shit.
[9:22] Speaker 1: Damn. You know what I'm saying? Since the fingernails and the.
[9:27] Speaker 4: Eyebrow paint and all that shit. And you play out
[9:31] Speaker 4: of season and You're supposed to be the leader, and
[9:33] Speaker 4: you just quit on your team. It's hard to root
[9:38] Speaker 4: for these guys nowadays, man. It's a lot of shit
[9:41] Speaker 4: that they doing that's just kind of like against the
[9:44] Speaker 4: code of how I grew up, how I watched the game,
[9:46] Speaker 4: where I.
[9:47] Speaker 1: Learned the game from. Then you separate the game, and
[9:50] Speaker 1: you got to look at these people as individuals, and
[9:52] Speaker 1: you be like, I don't know you well enough to
[9:54] Speaker 1: judge you like that. So Yeah. You can only judge
[9:56] Speaker 1: them on the game.
[9:58] Speaker 4: Like, your approach to the game and how your character
[10:01] Speaker 4: magnifies that. And these kind of antics is just not professional.
[10:06] Speaker 4: This is a national business association. He not understanding that.
[10:12] Speaker 4: And the people that's at this table that's running the ship, man,
[10:15] Speaker 4: they don't play this type of shit.
[10:17] Speaker 2: But like you said, it is a business. I think
[10:20] Speaker 2: Jimmy was looking for that extension. He were adamant not
[10:23] Speaker 2: giving it to him. Takes some PTO during the regular season,
[10:26] Speaker 2: but has led the Heat to two finals appearances in
[10:28] Speaker 2: his time in Miami.
[10:30] Speaker 1: Did Paul George do this shit? When the Clippers didn't
[10:34] Speaker 1: give him that? He went and got him. He just
[10:37] Speaker 1: went to go get his bread. He ain't tripped, did he?
[10:40] Speaker 6: Yo, I don't feel bad for Pat, like, standing his
[10:42] Speaker 6: ground and his ways now. It's like, you got to.
[10:48] Speaker 6: You going to let a player come in and run
[10:49] Speaker 6: your shit? Because if not, then you're going to get
[10:51] Speaker 6: more of this. And I'm not... I mean, look, Jimmy's
[10:53] Speaker 6: going to do what Jimmy's going to do. Like, but
[10:56] Speaker 6: if you don't have any structure or any heat culture
[10:59] Speaker 6: or whatever it is, then you're going to have shit
[11:01] Speaker 6: like this all the time. Trolling, playing games, and, you know,
[11:05] Speaker 6: fucking with the season, so... And, I mean, it go
[11:07] Speaker 6: both ways, but... I mean, I'm not mad at Pat
[11:11] Speaker 6: for not, like, you know, standing his ground, standing 10
[11:13] Speaker 6: toes down.
[11:15] Speaker 1: I just... Which camera is my.
[11:19] Speaker 2: Go to the camera, Gil, and then we have something
[11:21] Speaker 2: from our producers.
[11:21] Speaker 1: What you do? Camera two. I know people think I'm colorblind, but...
[11:26] Speaker 1: Let's get it back up a little bit.
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[11:30] Speaker 2: Back up, back up, back up, back.
[11:31] Speaker 1: Up, back up. We got to get that focus. Whatever,
[11:34] Speaker 1: you know. It's a little inebriated. There it is. There
[11:37] Speaker 1: you go. Right there. God damn it. That's the jersey.
[11:39] Speaker 1: He did wear this jersey. That does have the colorway,
[11:42] Speaker 1: God damn it. So, Gil, our producers would like you
[11:45] Speaker 1: to know... Fuckers.
[11:48] Speaker 2: Our producers would like you to know that that jersey
[11:50] Speaker 2: is not a part of this year's rotation.
[11:52] Speaker 1: I didn't say this year's. I said it's part of
[11:54] Speaker 1: their colorway, though. They have worn it. He probably just
[11:56] Speaker 1: had them shoes laying around, you know. But that's my narrative.
[12:00] Speaker 1: He was just trying to get them on. I mean,
[12:03] Speaker 1: if it was just purple and gold. Gilly Cochran. If
[12:08] Speaker 1: the jersey fits, you must have quit, but... Look, I mean, they....
[12:16] Speaker 3: At this point, I mean, what is, what is the
[12:20] Speaker 3: point of it?
[12:21] Speaker 1: Right? The antics at this point, right?
[12:23] Speaker 3: It's going to start like right now, kind of people
[12:25] Speaker 3: are in your favor. Uh, the more you keep poking, um,
[12:32] Speaker 3: is less likely.
[12:33] Speaker 1: To get done. Like why?
[12:36] Speaker 3: Like at some point a businessman will say, fuck you.
[12:42] Speaker 1: Right. You don't have a non-trade clause in your contract.
[12:45] Speaker 3: So, You keep fucking with me. You keep doing this.
[12:49] Speaker 3: You keep trying to show me up. I will see
[12:52] Speaker 3: you somewhere you do not want to be. But I
[12:57] Speaker 3: don't think Jimmy gives a fuck.
[12:58] Speaker 1: Right. And that becomes a problem, too.
[13:00] Speaker 3: But I will see you somewhere that you do not
[13:03] Speaker 3: want to be. Like, if you're trying to win a
[13:07] Speaker 3: championship and do that.
[13:08] Speaker 1: I'll send you, I'll send your ass to Portland.
[13:11] Speaker 2: So, but here's the thing, you send me to Portland,
[13:12] Speaker 2: I'll just opt out of my.
[13:13] Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what you do. I don't
[13:16] Speaker 1: give a fuck what you do. I'm just seeing you there.
[13:18] Speaker 3: You figure that shit out yourself. You opt out, opt in,
[13:21] Speaker 3: that ain't my goddamn problem. You opt out of fucking 60,
[13:23] Speaker 3: 50 minutes, that's your problem, not mine.
[13:25] Speaker 2: Or I just opt in and be salty, playing on
[13:27] Speaker 2: a non-contender, and get that 52.
[13:29] Speaker 1: Right?
[13:30] Speaker 3: There becomes a point where, you know, you're poking the bear. And,
[13:35] Speaker 3: you know, we've seen through history where they send you
[13:38] Speaker 3: to the place.
[13:39] Speaker 1: You don't want to go.
[13:39] Speaker 3: They ask you, hey, man, where you don't want to go?
[13:41] Speaker 3: I want to go to this place. Next thing you know,
[13:43] Speaker 3: you're there.
[13:44] Speaker 1: So this is a lose-lose situation then? No.
[13:46] Speaker 3: If he keeps poking, because it becomes ego now, right?
[13:51] Speaker 3: At some point, like, let's say now, I want to
[13:54] Speaker 3: make a trade that benefits my franchise, right? but you
[13:58] Speaker 3: keep showing me up, at some point, fuck the franchise,
[14:01] Speaker 3: this becomes ego. And my ego's been big for a
[14:04] Speaker 3: long time.
[14:06] Speaker 1: And I got a couple more years, I'ma just flex
[14:08] Speaker 1: the shit right now. Send me anywhere but the sun.
[14:12] Speaker 1: So can we kill the narrative that.
[14:15] Speaker 4: It was the Miami Heat culture that created this Jimmy Butler,
[14:20] Speaker 4: Pat Riley thing, because it ain't got nothing to do
[14:22] Speaker 4: with the way they work, how hard they work, what
[14:24] Speaker 4: they demand out of their players. It has everything to
[14:27] Speaker 4: do with how much money Jimmy Butler wants. And if
[14:29] Speaker 4: that was the case, Jimmy wouldn't have been able to
[14:31] Speaker 4: stay there and take them to the finals twice if
[14:33] Speaker 4: it was the heat culture. So that narrative that's being pushed,
[14:36] Speaker 4: and no one wants to go to Miami because it's
[14:40] Speaker 4: too hard.
[14:41] Speaker 1: Man, I'm killing that, man. No, which narrative are you killing?
[14:44] Speaker 1: Killing that, both of them. You can't kill both of them. Yeah,
[14:47] Speaker 1: I can kill all of them.
[14:48] Speaker 6: So you're killing the narrative of players don't want to
[14:50] Speaker 6: go there.
[14:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the narrative. Okay, now tell me what played.
[14:55] Speaker 4: It started to bubble after this Jimmy Butler thing came.
[15:00] Speaker 1: It wasn't.
[15:00] Speaker 4: Nobody was talking about, oh, nobody want to go to Miami. Nah,
[15:03] Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler started ruffling feathers, and they think, oh, he
[15:06] Speaker 4: don't want to be there because it's too tough.
[15:08] Speaker 1: Nobody want to.
[15:09] Speaker 4: Man, stop all that. Dame was going to Miami. It
[15:13] Speaker 4: got intercepted.
[15:14] Speaker 1: Traded. It got intercepted. Okay, so the narrative.
[15:17] Speaker 4: He wanted to go to Miami.
[15:20] Speaker 3: But the narrative, there's two narratives. The narrative of Jimmy Butler,
[15:23] Speaker 3: whatever he's doing, that's one narrative.
[15:25] Speaker 1: Yep. That's what you're killing Coop. No, I'm not killing that.
[15:27] Speaker 1: I'm killing this other narrative. You can't kill the narrative.
[15:30] Speaker 1: Dame Lillard wanted to go to Miami.
[15:31] Speaker 3: You can't kill the narrative of free agents wanting to
[15:34] Speaker 3: go sign there.
[15:35] Speaker 1: Yes, I can.
[15:35] Speaker 3: Because the fact is, there hasn't been any free agents
[15:38] Speaker 3: that signed there.
[15:39] Speaker 1: Since? Since what, LeBron and them? No, they signed there.
[15:43] Speaker 1: They got traded there. But, yeah, it was signed there.
[15:46] Speaker 1: It was signed and traded. No free agents. But he
[15:49] Speaker 1: strong-armed his way out there. So the only time a
[15:51] Speaker 1: free agent has signed there.
[15:53] Speaker 4: The history doesn't need us to be able to say, yeah,
[15:56] Speaker 4: we know that Chris Bosh and LeBron James went to Miami.
[16:01] Speaker 1: They chose Miami. To team up to win a championship.
[16:03] Speaker 1: There's no reason to all that shit you're talking about.
[16:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, so your free agents that signed there.
[16:08] Speaker 1: Dame Lillard wanted to go to Miami. would be.
[16:14] Speaker 3: Ray Allen to win a championship. It'd be Mike Miller
[16:19] Speaker 3: to win a championship.
[16:20] Speaker 1: That was all coordinated. Nobody wants to go to Miami,
[16:23] Speaker 1: is what you're saying. All coordinated.
[16:24] Speaker 3: Which free agents have actually went there just to go there?
[16:28] Speaker 3: Not to team up to win a championship.
[16:30] Speaker 1: God damn. Now you're moving the goalposts. Now you're separating everything.
[16:33] Speaker 4: We've all said the same thing. No, we ain't all
[16:35] Speaker 4: said shit. We all ain't said shit. You say what
[16:38] Speaker 4: you say and everybody else say what they say. You
[16:40] Speaker 4: try to convince everybody to take your side and to
[16:42] Speaker 4: believe what you say. That's what you do all the time.
[16:45] Speaker 4: You do it all the time.
[16:46] Speaker 1: It's a fact, though. You go after your feelings. How
[16:48] Speaker 1: is it a fact?
[16:50] Speaker 4: When the last guy I just said, Dame Lillard, wanted
[16:53] Speaker 4: to go to Miami.
[16:54] Speaker 3: With Jimmy Butler, they just went to the championship. Jimmy
[16:57] Speaker 3: Butler and Bam, I can win. I can help us
[17:00] Speaker 3: win the championship. We're talking about if Jimmy Butler leaves, who,
[17:05] Speaker 3: what free agent will sign there as a free agent?
[17:10] Speaker 1: Anybody who is available and needs to go to the place. Okay.
[17:13] Speaker 1: Anybody who needs a team to go to. Okay. What
[17:15] Speaker 1: are you talking about? You talking like a superstar. This summer,
[17:17] Speaker 1: who signed? Who's up this summer? Who's up this summer? No,
[17:21] Speaker 1: the last summer we did.
[17:22] Speaker 6: Who was up?
[17:23] Speaker 1: Bradley Bill. Everybody. Who was up? Bradley Bill, Clay. Bradley Bill, Clay, Dame.
[17:28] Speaker 1: Who all went to the wrong places? I don't want
[17:29] Speaker 1: to ask that. Who all went to the wrong places?
[17:31] Speaker 1: Who signed there? Yeah, you went to the wrong place.
[17:33] Speaker 1: I don't care about where you went. Dame Lillard was
[17:36] Speaker 1: supposed to go to get traded there. So who signed there? DeMar,
[17:40] Speaker 1: James Harden, Clay Thompson. No. No, no. None of them
[17:43] Speaker 1: came to the Lakers either. No, keep going. That's got
[17:45] Speaker 1: nothing to do with the Lakers, so keep going. LeBron State.
[17:48] Speaker 1: Keep going, keep going. What are we talking about? Keep going.
[17:49] Speaker 1: We're talking about percentile point. Buddy Hill, Ty Jones, Markenstein. Markenstein, okay. Okay,
[17:55] Speaker 1: how about last year? We didn't want none of them guys.
[17:57] Speaker 1: How about last year? We didn't want none of them guys.
[17:59] Speaker 1: How about last year? So is it okay that we
[18:00] Speaker 1: didn't want none of them guys? How about last year?
[18:02] Speaker 1: Let me see. Let me pull the list. Pull them up.
[18:04] Speaker 2: Kyrie, I think Van Vliet, Jeremy Grant, Middleton, Cam Johnson, Draymond.
[18:10] Speaker 1: Okay, how about the year before that? Come on, we
[18:13] Speaker 1: can keep going. Come on. We can keep going. We
[18:15] Speaker 1: can keep going. We're free agents. So what? So what?
[18:20] Speaker 1: So what? You asked me who the last guy wanted
[18:23] Speaker 1: to go to Miami. Dame Leonard wanted to go. He
[18:27] Speaker 1: wasn't a free agent. If he was, guess where he
[18:30] Speaker 1: would have wanted to go? Let's try this again. Okay,
[18:32] Speaker 1: so he don't want to hear that. Okay, let's start
[18:34] Speaker 1: it again.
[18:35] Speaker 3: The beginning of it is free agents do not go
[18:39] Speaker 3: to Miami unless there's a championship there.
[18:43] Speaker 1: Oh, my God. So when Shaq got.
[18:46] Speaker 3: Traded up with Dwyane Wade, they lost the next year.
[18:49] Speaker 3: Then free agents started coming there because that was a
[18:52] Speaker 3: championship team.
[18:53] Speaker 1: Okay. Once that happened, nobody came there. What free agents
[18:57] Speaker 1: don't want to go to a championship team? Okay. So
[18:59] Speaker 1: then LeBron. So you had to win a championship for
[19:01] Speaker 1: free agents to get there and want to go there? Okay. Right?
[19:04] Speaker 1: Is that what he's saying? Is that what he's saying?
[19:06] Speaker 1: I'm trying to present it. They wanted to go to
[19:07] Speaker 1: Miami because they won a championship?
[19:09] Speaker 3: I'm trying to present it so you can actually hear it.
[19:11] Speaker 1: So then the next.
[19:12] Speaker 3: So when Shacknam didn't win after they... The first year.
[19:15] Speaker 3: Nobody went there. Nobody went there. No good free agent
[19:17] Speaker 3: went there. Then LeBron, Dwyane Wade teamed up.
[19:21] Speaker 1: It was a four-year gap. They teamed up. Four-year gap.
[19:24] Speaker 1: They teamed up, so Mike Miller, all of them were
[19:26] Speaker 1: going there. They all said they were going there. Okay,
[19:29] Speaker 1: they went there. Why did they say they were going there?
[19:32] Speaker 1: Because they were teaming up to win a championship. Oh, okay.
[19:34] Speaker 1: So they could have went anywhere. They were going to
[19:36] Speaker 1: New York. They could have went anywhere. Okay, so they were...
[19:38] Speaker 1: Why did they go to Miami? Because they were going
[19:40] Speaker 1: to New York. They would end up going to New
[19:42] Speaker 1: York where he had his Prince Conference. He was going
[19:44] Speaker 1: to New York. Dwyane Wade, please, please, please, please adjust
[19:47] Speaker 1: this guy. Let me try it again. He acted like
[19:50] Speaker 1: he was there. Are you going to let me talk?
[19:51] Speaker 3: They were going to New York where he did his
[19:53] Speaker 3: press conference from Steve.
[19:55] Speaker 1: Whose house was he at?
[19:59] Speaker 7: So he was at Greenwich, Connecticut at the Boys and
[20:02] Speaker 7: Girls Club.
[20:02] Speaker 1: That was the... Where he did it. Okay. So what
[20:06] Speaker 1: happened is they signed who?
[20:09] Speaker 7: Then they signed Amari Stoudemire.
[20:10] Speaker 1: And they didn't have no plans with Amari Stoudemire. This
[20:12] Speaker 1: is not what Dwayne Wade said in his podcast. You're
[20:15] Speaker 1: making up shit. So they decided to move. You're making
[20:17] Speaker 1: up shit. Well, he does. So they decided to move,
[20:21] Speaker 1: and that's where they picked Miami, right? So they all
[20:25] Speaker 1: went to Miami. Now, who came there?
[20:30] Speaker 3: What free agents came there once they were in championship mode? Okay,
[20:34] Speaker 3: now when LeBron left and it wasn't champions anymore, what
[20:38] Speaker 3: free agents did he get this time?
[20:41] Speaker 1: None.
[20:43] Speaker 3: So Jimmy Butler and Bam and Hero took that team
[20:46] Speaker 3: to the championship. So Dame, I want to get traded there.
[20:50] Speaker 3: I think I can win a championship there with them.
[20:53] Speaker 3: You add me with that rest of that crew, I
[20:56] Speaker 3: can win a championship.
[20:58] Speaker 1: So yes.
[21:00] Speaker 3: That is a valuable, but in that meantime, what free
[21:04] Speaker 3: agents have signed there since?
[21:06] Speaker 1: What free agents have signed to the San Antonio Spurs team?
[21:11] Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with San Antonio Spurs. What
[21:13] Speaker 1: about the Detroit Pistons? What about all the other teams
[21:16] Speaker 1: who you can say the same thing for. But we're saying,
[21:19] Speaker 1: you said you're getting rid of this narrative for a reason,
[21:22] Speaker 1: so I'm giving you the layup. You're trying to go
[21:25] Speaker 1: against me. You don't need to... I'm trying to go
[21:27] Speaker 1: against you. No, you don't need to bring in any
[21:28] Speaker 1: other team. We're talking about this team. Yes, I do.
[21:30] Speaker 1: I need to compare it. What are you comparing? I'm
[21:33] Speaker 1: comparing the... The narrative is... I'm comparing the cultures and
[21:36] Speaker 1: I'm comparing the free agents that went there when they
[21:38] Speaker 1: won championships.
[21:39] Speaker 4: Like you say, oh, the championships draws you here.
[21:42] Speaker 1: No, no. Mike Miller only went there because they were winning. So...
[21:47] Speaker 1: Same thing with San Antonio. Whoever went to Dallas. Oh,
[21:50] Speaker 1: you went to Dallas because what? They had a championship team.
[21:53] Speaker 4: Jason Kidd, Tyson Chandler, Vince Carter, Sean Marion.
[21:57] Speaker 1: All these guys went to Dallas.
[21:59] Speaker 4: But it has nothing to do with the fact that
[22:02] Speaker 4: the heat culture was.
[22:03] Speaker 1: Bringing in free agents. He don't want to say they
[22:05] Speaker 1: validated because, oh, they were chasing something. They were chasing.
[22:09] Speaker 1: What team is not chasing a fucking championship? What player?
[22:13] Speaker 1: What team? I'm talking about player. Now you're talking about player.
[22:16] Speaker 1: I've been talking about player. Duh, that's what this whole
[22:18] Speaker 1: argument's about. No, it's about heat culture, nigga.
[22:20] Speaker 4: It's not about team. It's not about players. It's about
[22:23] Speaker 4: heat culture. We've been talking about heat and teams the
[22:25] Speaker 4: whole time.
[22:26] Speaker 1: Now you want to switch it? I've been saying, is
[22:28] Speaker 1: a free agent a player or a team? You know
[22:32] Speaker 1: these people move fast with this video shit. A free
[22:34] Speaker 1: agent is a player.
[22:35] Speaker 3: Which free agents, outside of the window of a championship,
[22:39] Speaker 3: wanted to.
[22:40] Speaker 1: Go to Miami? Team. Miami had the team. Miami. Team.
[22:44] Speaker 1: Which free agents? Team. You have no name. You just
[22:47] Speaker 1: named them. You just said. They going there because they're
[22:50] Speaker 1: chasing a championship. Teamed up to go win a championship.
[22:53] Speaker 1: So it don't count. So does that not count? Those
[22:55] Speaker 1: are the two instances. Does it not count? I put
[22:57] Speaker 1: that in the argument. Does it not count? Outside of
[23:00] Speaker 1: those two. Why are you outside of those two? Include
[23:03] Speaker 1: those two. Which players have went there to go play
[23:06] Speaker 1: in Miami? Ray Allen. Ray Allen, Mike Miller. To win
[23:08] Speaker 1: a championship. To win a championship. I can't say no names.
[23:12] Speaker 1: Because there's no names. There is. I just named them.
[23:15] Speaker 1: When they haven't been in championships. I just named names. No,
[23:18] Speaker 1: you're naming, like, but you're using part of my argument.
[23:21] Speaker 1: Because you can't win without it. But you're using part
[23:24] Speaker 1: of my argument. No, I'm not. I'm saying these are
[23:26] Speaker 1: the two incidents where actual free agents win. They're terrible.
[23:30] Speaker 1: When there's no championship in mode, which great free agents
[23:34] Speaker 1: have actually went to Miami to play in Miami?
[23:38] Speaker 4: You're not in championship mode?
[23:39] Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
[23:40] Speaker 6: You think the year that Shaq and Dwyane Wade left
[23:42] Speaker 6: that year, so you think the next year, you think
[23:44] Speaker 6: that was a championship mode?
[23:45] Speaker 1: Yes. And that's how they got Posey. They got Posey.
[23:50] Speaker 1: They got Gary Payton. Right.
[23:54] Speaker 3: And they got Antoine Walker. Right.
[23:58] Speaker 1: That's why they went there, just like Lakers.
[24:01] Speaker 6: But they had just lost a year before. So what
[24:02] Speaker 6: makes you think, like, just because.
[24:05] Speaker 3: Them two was playing, so we're just going to add
[24:07] Speaker 3: our talents and we should be able to chip. Just
[24:08] Speaker 3: like when the Lakers came, when Lakers and Kobe had that,
[24:11] Speaker 3: and Gary Payton went there, Brian Russell went there, and
[24:15] Speaker 3: Carmelone went there.
[24:16] Speaker 1: Like, right?
[24:17] Speaker 3: That's where they went to try to win that chip.
[24:20] Speaker 3: Just like when LeBron and D-Wade matched up, Mike Miller
[24:23] Speaker 3: turned down the money in New York. If you go
[24:25] Speaker 3: Google it, New York offered him money. He turned it
[24:27] Speaker 3: down because they already knew where they were going.
[24:30] Speaker 1: Mike Miller was on my team that year, so I
[24:32] Speaker 1: know what they were doing. He was our free agent.
[24:36] Speaker 1: So we got, we know who came. What year are
[24:39] Speaker 1: you talking about?
[24:40] Speaker 3: Huh?
[24:40] Speaker 1: What year are you talking about? Because Mike was on
[24:42] Speaker 1: my team in 2010. What team were you on? When
[24:45] Speaker 1: he signed that deal? When he signed to go to Miami,
[24:48] Speaker 1: he came from the Wizards. 2011. He came from the Wizards.
[24:51] Speaker 1: So he went from Minnesota to the Wizards? Let me
[24:55] Speaker 1: pull it up. Because Mike was on our team. He
[24:57] Speaker 1: was the Wizards 0-9-10, then went from the Wizards to
[25:00] Speaker 1: Miami Heat. Okay, so he left for us. Okay, so again.
[25:02] Speaker 1: So the money they offered him, he turned that down.
[25:09] Speaker 1: and then went to Miami for cheap. Free agency. Free agency.
[25:14] Speaker 1: Mike Miller went to Miami. He chose the Miami Heat culture.
[25:20] Speaker 1: He chose LeBron.
[25:20] Speaker 4: A place where they had already won with Shaq and
[25:25] Speaker 4: Dwyane Wade before LeBron.
[25:28] Speaker 1: James ever thought of going there.
[25:29] Speaker 4: So they were already a championship organization. I, Mike Miller,
[25:35] Speaker 4: would like to go see what's going on down here
[25:37] Speaker 4: at this sauce.
[25:39] Speaker 1: Oh, that has to do.
[25:41] Speaker 4: You have to make it about something else than what
[25:43] Speaker 4: it is. It actually is Mike Miller went down to
[25:46] Speaker 4: Miami in free agency.
[25:47] Speaker 1: So who was Mike Miller's agent? Oh, shit. Was that LeBron?
[25:53] Speaker 1: Is it Clutch? Was it back then? Was Mike Miller
[25:57] Speaker 1: part of their group? Yes or no? You Google right.
[26:03] Speaker 3: Yes.
[26:05] Speaker 1: Yes.
[26:07] Speaker 3: He turned down what's... What did y'all offer him, C?
[26:10] Speaker 1: $ 56, $ 60 million that year?
[26:12] Speaker 3: And he turned it down to go team up with...
[26:15] Speaker 3: Same reason Haslam turned his money down from Dallas and Milwaukee,
[26:20] Speaker 3: because he was waiting for them to sign.
[26:22] Speaker 1: And he was going to take... Oh, really? It had
[26:23] Speaker 1: nothing to do with Heat culture?
[26:26] Speaker 3: No.
[26:26] Speaker 1: No, okay. With Heat culture, they lost and they made
[26:29] Speaker 1: this money off the last three, four years. Let's let
[26:31] Speaker 1: UD answer that question.
[26:32] Speaker 4: Let's not let Gilbert answer the question for UD. Let's
[26:36] Speaker 4: let UD answer the question. Why I stayed in Miami?
[26:41] Speaker 1: I'm from here. Let's keep this moving. He already won
[26:46] Speaker 1: a championship. Let's spin this back forward to the current situation.
[26:48] Speaker 1: He already won. He's getting offered $ 40 million and signed
[26:52] Speaker 1: for nine. I'm already a champion. Let's spin it back
[26:55] Speaker 1: to the current situation going on in Miami. Why did
[26:57] Speaker 1: I stay?
[26:58] Speaker 4: Because I'm a champion in the championship organization.
[27:02] Speaker 1: We have LeBron James. I love what we got going here.
[27:05] Speaker 4: Why did he stay after LeBron left?
[27:07] Speaker 1: Why did he stay after LeBron left? Why didn't he
[27:10] Speaker 1: sign his contract first then? Why did he stay after
[27:12] Speaker 1: LeBron left? Why didn't he sign his contract first then?
[27:14] Speaker 1: He got offered $ 40 million. Why didn't he sign first?
[27:17] Speaker 1: Why did he take less? Because he didn't want to
[27:19] Speaker 1: take up all the money. Why did he take less?
[27:20] Speaker 1: Because he didn't want to take up all the money, dawg.
[27:23] Speaker 1: Stop acting like you're talking to these people. He wanted
[27:25] Speaker 1: to stay in Miami. What did the... It's a report, right?
[27:28] Speaker 1: They had to take a pay cut.
[27:30] Speaker 3: Who took a pay cut to get Haslam because they needed.
[27:34] Speaker 1: To get him to the $ 13 million even though he
[27:36] Speaker 1: was being offered $ 42 million. It was part of the plan.
[27:39] Speaker 1: Did he leave? No. He stayed.
[27:41] Speaker 3: But it still doesn't back your argument.
[27:47] Speaker 1: Which free agent? Does he stay at Brown and them? No.
[27:52] Speaker 1: Does he stay at Brown and them, don't stay there? No.
[27:54] Speaker 4: He stayed at Brown and them. He's been there the
[27:57] Speaker 4: whole time.
[27:57] Speaker 1: He never left.
[27:58] Speaker 2: Let's shift it to 2025. 2025, current Miami Heat. We
[28:00] Speaker 2: asked the chat, is Jimmy trolling the Heat? Over 3,000 votes, 87%
[28:02] Speaker 2: said yes. We also asked the chat, Should free agents
[28:09] Speaker 2: want to go to Miami? 58% said no. Apparently some
[28:13] Speaker 2: of y'all have never been to South Beach, but... That's
[28:15] Speaker 2: how strong the narrative is. Every player done said the
[28:18] Speaker 2: same thing. Every player said shit.
[28:20] Speaker 1: Every player ain't played for Miami. What are you talking about?
[28:24] Speaker 6: Only the players that play for Miami. What are we
[28:27] Speaker 6: talking about?
[28:28] Speaker 4: Andre Iguodala just sat there and said, man, it made
[28:31] Speaker 4: me a better player and a businessman to this day.
[28:33] Speaker 1: The tail end of my career needed to be in Miami.
[28:36] Speaker 1: The tail end.
[28:37] Speaker 2: Iggy did go after he got moved to the Grizzlies,
[28:40] Speaker 2: but Mr. B, question for you. We see all the
[28:44] Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler antics. It don't seem like it's going to
[28:46] Speaker 2: help or hurt his trade values. You guys have previously said,
[28:49] Speaker 2: you know what you're getting with Jimmy Butler. Are he
[28:50] Speaker 2: better off not playing Jimmy Butler until they can get
[28:52] Speaker 2: a trade done?
[28:53] Speaker 1: No, you got to play him. I mean, you might
[28:57] Speaker 1: as well. I mean, the season's cooked anyway. So it's
[29:01] Speaker 1: not like if you don't play him or you play him,
[29:03] Speaker 1: so you might as well just play him. I mean.
[29:07] Speaker 6: As a businessman, I'm just playing him. If he want
[29:08] Speaker 6: to go out there and just, you know, have his
[29:10] Speaker 6: numbers looking like the way it is, then that's on him.
[29:12] Speaker 2: He currently 21-21 on the season, ninth in the East,
[29:16] Speaker 2: but only, what, two and a half games out of
[29:19] Speaker 2: the fifth spot. So you can't throw in the towel
[29:22] Speaker 2: just yet with it, but if you know you're getting
[29:24] Speaker 2: a Jimmy Butler who's not motivated, only going to take seven,
[29:27] Speaker 2: nine shots a game, whatever it may be.
[29:29] Speaker 6: I mean, if you don't play, then it'll look like
[29:30] Speaker 6: you're throwing in the towel. So might as well just
[29:34] Speaker 6: play him. That's on him if he want his numbers
[29:37] Speaker 6: to look like that, so.
[29:37] Speaker 2: And you got 15 days. before the trade deadline.
[29:43] Speaker 1: But as a businessman, I'm just, hey, now, why we
[29:45] Speaker 1: paying you? You're going to play. Do you agree or disagree?
[29:49] Speaker 8: I agree.
[29:50] Speaker 1: Throw his ass out there. What are you going to do,
[29:51] Speaker 1: let him sit on the bench for free? I got
[29:53] Speaker 1: to pay him either way, so I'm going to fuck
[29:55] Speaker 1: what you get. It's your brain.
[29:57] Speaker 3: And if you want to go out there and go
[29:59] Speaker 3: 0 for 5 and take two shots, that's you.
[30:01] Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. I mean, you got opponents
[30:03] Speaker 1: that's going to be coming after you. That's your pride.
[30:05] Speaker 6: And I just feel like he put himself in this position.
[30:07] Speaker 6: So now it's just like, if I'm Pat Riley, I'm
[30:10] Speaker 6: just like, yeah, go ahead.
[30:11] Speaker 2: Or Mickey Arison. Jimmy's never both. I think it's... Go ahead.
[30:15] Speaker 2: Go do what you want, man.
[30:18] Speaker 6: When we find something that'll sound good, then hey, until then,
[30:22] Speaker 6: if you want to average 9 points.
[30:23] Speaker 1: 11 points....
[30:26] Speaker 2: Sean, do you think Heat are better off playing or
[30:28] Speaker 2: not playing Jimmy Butler until they can try and get
[30:29] Speaker 2: a trade done?
[30:36] Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I don't know.
[30:42] Speaker 4: I'm off, dude. Like I said, I'm off, dude. Just
[30:44] Speaker 4: the integrity of the game.
[30:46] Speaker 1: Yeah. Approach all that.
[30:47] Speaker 4: Like, you letting all that get in the way of camaraderie.
[30:50] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[30:52] Speaker 4: Even when you leave your teammates, leave on good terms, bro,
[30:55] Speaker 4: with the teammates, not with the... Coaches and all that
[30:58] Speaker 4: shit is cool, but when you got dudes looking at
[31:00] Speaker 4: you like, yo, you quitting on us over this? You
[31:04] Speaker 4: said it was a national business association. Does that business
[31:06] Speaker 4: work on both sides, though?
[31:09] Speaker 2: Who runs the business? Whose business is it? Who keeps
[31:13] Speaker 2: the business thriving? I understand exactly what you're saying.
[31:17] Speaker 1: He run this, but... But what? Jimmy, you keep our
[31:21] Speaker 1: business thriving.
[31:22] Speaker 2: Next!
[31:22] Speaker 1: Next! Next! You don't think there's no more Jimmy Butlers
[31:27] Speaker 1: out there?
[31:27] Speaker 2: No, that's fair. Moral of the story, give LeBron back
[31:33] Speaker 2: his chocolate chip.
[31:34] Speaker 1: He wouldn't give D-Wade that distinction, bro. I get both sides.
[31:39] Speaker 3: He's just playing with the wrong one. But it's still
[31:41] Speaker 3: your pride. It's still your legacy.
[31:43] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[31:44] Speaker 3: It's not like people are going to look back 10
[31:46] Speaker 3: years from now and say, oh, my God, they were
[31:48] Speaker 3: going through this turmoil. And this is what you average. No,
[31:51] Speaker 3: they're going to look at, oh, shit, this is a
[31:52] Speaker 3: horrible year. This is your legacy.
[31:55] Speaker 1: These are the.
[31:55] Speaker 3: Years where you're trying to calculate stuff for the Hall
[31:57] Speaker 3: of Fame. Right?
[31:59] Speaker 1: Right?
[31:59] Speaker 3: So this is what you got to stand on as
[32:01] Speaker 3: a player, as a man. Like, the motherfuckers that you're
[32:04] Speaker 3: playing against, do not give two shits about.
[32:06] Speaker 1: What you and Pat Riley's going on.
[32:08] Speaker 3: If Jimmy Butler's playing half-ass 25%, I'm taking advantage of it.
[32:12] Speaker 3: It's just somebody I ain't got to worry about tonight.
[32:14] Speaker 3: But I'm going to go at him full speed. We're
[32:16] Speaker 3: going to see what he's going to do. It becomes, like,
[32:19] Speaker 3: no one cares.
[32:20] Speaker 1: No one's like, oh, man, Jimmy, but I'm going to
[32:23] Speaker 1: take it easy on you. We sympathize with you. Hurt
[32:26] Speaker 1: dog right now. I'm going for 40. Fuck him.
[32:29] Speaker 6: See if you turn up. Which is cool because he
[32:31] Speaker 6: make 52, so.
[32:33] Speaker 1: Or he got 52. I'm looking at it like, shit,
[32:35] Speaker 1: bust his ass.
[32:36] Speaker 4: The disgusting part is if he playing like this when
[32:40] Speaker 4: he on this team, he go get on another team
[32:42] Speaker 4: and he start playing crazy.
[32:45] Speaker 1: That's just disgusting, bro. I mean, I just think about
[32:48] Speaker 1: it when Kobe was going through his shit with the Lakers.
[32:50] Speaker 1: He was still hooping. Dane was going through it with Portland.
[32:54] Speaker 1: He was still hooping. He showed up, you know? Gil just.
[32:58] Speaker 3: Iceberg, Gil just hates Miami because they.
[33:01] Speaker 1: Never wanted him. Gil, do you hate Miami because they
[33:04] Speaker 1: never wanted you?
[33:06] Speaker 3: I was a free agent the year Dwyane Wade got drafted,
[33:10] Speaker 3: and Miami was after me to make me him, the
[33:12] Speaker 3: one and two. I am Cuban, so obviously they wanted
[33:16] Speaker 3: me in Miami. Gilbert Arriba, as he's also known. I
[33:20] Speaker 3: took the Washington route. So, the Heat wanted to give
[33:23] Speaker 3: you the bread?
[33:25] Speaker 1: $ 55 million. Gilbert, you are Cuban. That's where they capped
[33:28] Speaker 1: it off at. Heavy Cuban population. Yes. Do you ever
[33:31] Speaker 1: regret not having a back story?
[33:33] Speaker 3: So, what ends up happening is, if you're a Heat fan,
[33:36] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm pretty sure you've seen the articles back then,
[33:38] Speaker 3: I signed with Washington, and they signed Lamar Odom.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Gilbert Arriba. But they were trying to... They brought
[33:51] Speaker 1: in Dwayne, they drafted Dwayne Wade, and they didn't know
[33:52] Speaker 1: if he was going to be the one or the two,
[33:54] Speaker 1: so it would have been a nice little combo. Do
[33:56] Speaker 1: you ever regret not going to the Heat? Yeah, and
[33:58] Speaker 1: what made your decision?
[34:03] Speaker 3: Because when I went to talk to Abe Poland in Washington,
[34:09] Speaker 3: he said, you know, that the MJ shit happened, so
[34:13] Speaker 3: he was like, you know... I need someone to come
[34:17] Speaker 3: in here and play so people will stop talking about MJ.
[34:20] Speaker 3: If you can do that for me, like these people
[34:23] Speaker 3: stop talking about MJ around here, and you can change that,
[34:26] Speaker 3: I'm indebted to you for life.
[34:29] Speaker 1: Shout out, A. Poehler.
[34:30] Speaker 3: I treat you like my son. I'll protect you. You
[34:33] Speaker 3: know my personality at the time.
[34:34] Speaker 1: Protection. Okay. Yes. Shit. You packed that thing, too. So
[34:40] Speaker 1: I end up, you know, going there.
[34:42] Speaker 3: And so when I got hurt and they were like, yo,
[34:44] Speaker 3: his knee's not going to be the same, he said, you.
[34:46] Speaker 1: Live up to your word. I'm paying you. The business
[34:50] Speaker 1: side of it. It was the business side, yeah.
[34:52] Speaker 2: So we asked the chat, should the Heat bench Jimmy
[34:54] Speaker 2: Butler before trading him? 61% said no. So we talked
[34:58] Speaker 2: about Jimmy wearing the Suns colorway. And speaking of the Suns,
[35:01] Speaker 2: Phoenix made an interesting trade on Tuesday that may have
[35:04] Speaker 2: helped them get closer to landing Jimmy Butler.
[35:07] Speaker 1: Let's take a look.
[35:08] Speaker 2: Sun sent a 2031 unprotected first-round pick to the Jazz
[35:11] Speaker 2: for three first-round picks, with the Suns acquiring the least
[35:15] Speaker 2: favorable first of the Cavs or Wolves in 2025, along
[35:19] Speaker 2: with the least favorable first of the Cavs, Wolves, or
[35:21] Speaker 2: Jazz in 2027 and also in 2029. When I first
[35:25] Speaker 2: saw the trade, I was a little perplexed. How can
[35:26] Speaker 2: you trade one first for three?
[35:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I stopped. I was like, well, I'm good.
[35:30] Speaker 1: I had to hit up Steve. He sent me the
[35:33] Speaker 1: Bobby Marks video. I watched that. I still don't know
[35:34] Speaker 1: what the fuck was going on. How you trade one
[35:36] Speaker 1: for three? But I think the thought process being with
[35:38] Speaker 1: the Jazz, they've got a stockpile of picks, right, from
[35:41] Speaker 1: the Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert trades. So the thought process
[35:44] Speaker 1: being in 2031, if the Suns are ass, that turns
[35:48] Speaker 1: into a top five pick Danny Ainge. Looks like a genius.
[35:52] Speaker 1: What year? What, 2031.
[35:54] Speaker 2: So, like I said, they've been sitting on a bunch
[35:56] Speaker 2: of those firsts that they got for the Donovan Mitchell
[35:58] Speaker 2: to the Cavs trade and the Rudy Gobert to the
[35:59] Speaker 2: Wolves trade And despite that, Utah still has 11 first-round
[36:03] Speaker 2: picks in the next seven years. So before the move,
[36:06] Speaker 2: the Suns only had a 2026 second-round pick from the
[36:09] Speaker 2: Nuggets at their disposal, but now have three first-rounders in
[36:12] Speaker 2: the next five drafts to help make some moves.
[36:16] Speaker 1: Phoenix? Wait, wait, so all the weakest teams, just the
[36:19] Speaker 1: weakest cities got the most draft picks? Danny Ainge? OKC
[36:24] Speaker 1: and Utah. Nets got a bunch, too, I think, just
[36:28] Speaker 1: sitting there lurking. You mean Brooklyn? Yeah. That's fine.
[36:32] Speaker 2: So what it means, though, is they'll likely get the
[36:34] Speaker 2: Cavs pick this year, which if things keep trending the
[36:37] Speaker 2: way it is, that'll be 29-30 or somewhere in that range.
[36:39] Speaker 2: So basically, bottom of the first round, in addition to
[36:43] Speaker 2: two more picks. Phoenix currently 21-21, 10th in the West,
[36:47] Speaker 2: only three games behind the Clippers for the fifth seed, though.
[36:50] Speaker 2: So do you guys respect the Suns for mortgaging their
[36:52] Speaker 2: future to make a win-now move?
[36:59] Speaker 1: I'm not....
[37:04] Speaker 3: With, I mean, Devin Booker still being young, Kevin Durant
[37:08] Speaker 3: still playing the way he's playing.
[37:10] Speaker 1: If you're trying to bring in Jimmy Butler in that
[37:14] Speaker 1: locker room with his personality, right, how he plays the game,
[37:18] Speaker 1: that's probably exactly what they need to get them over
[37:22] Speaker 1: the hump.
[37:27] Speaker 3: I mean, his durability is the same as, you know,
[37:32] Speaker 3: somebody he's coming in for. So, I mean, you know,
[37:34] Speaker 3: Missing games is still going to be questionable for the group. But,
[37:38] Speaker 3: I mean, if they think he fits better than Beal, then,
[37:42] Speaker 3: I mean, you might as well just, you know.
[37:43] Speaker 1: Make the trade. Yeah. So, obviously some hurdles into getting
[37:47] Speaker 1: that deal done. But before we get to that, Mr.
[37:51] Speaker 2: Cemetery Larry, I got to know, do you respect the
[37:53] Speaker 2: Suns for moving that 2031 pick? We've seen other teams, Warriors,
[37:58] Speaker 2: saying we don't want to mortgage our future to build
[38:01] Speaker 2: a win-now team now. Lakers seem to be headed in
[38:03] Speaker 2: that same trajectory. not making any moves other than trading
[38:07] Speaker 2: D'Lo for Black and Miles, AKA.
[38:09] Speaker 1: Dorian Finney-Smith and Shaq Milton. Little D'Lo.
[38:17] Speaker 4: It's confusing to me right now what win now means
[38:21] Speaker 4: because everyone seems to be in the last five years
[38:24] Speaker 4: making moves to win now. And none of them, nobody's
[38:28] Speaker 4: winning now. Nobody's been winning now. Except for the Celtics.
[38:31] Speaker 1: Except for the teams that's been around together long enough
[38:34] Speaker 1: to understand each other. Milwaukee was around these four years
[38:40] Speaker 1: together before they won. Denver, five years I think they
[38:44] Speaker 1: was together. Boston. Boston, been together forever. The last three
[38:47] Speaker 1: teams has won, been together. Before Milwaukee was Lakers. The Bubbles, 2021, 2020.
[38:56] Speaker 1: Then the Lakers. Same thing with Toronto. All they did
[38:59] Speaker 1: was just.
[38:59] Speaker 4: Add Kawhi, right? Everybody had been together, right? So now
[39:03] Speaker 4: this win, it's a social media league.
[39:08] Speaker 1: And then even before that, Cavs and Warriors. And they've
[39:10] Speaker 1: been together. They was building free ages, coming in, building
[39:14] Speaker 1: from the foundation, right?
[39:15] Speaker 4: So you look at it now, you're like, when now?
[39:17] Speaker 4: What the fuck does that mean?
[39:18] Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to bring KD and Bradley Bill to
[39:21] Speaker 1: Phoenix with Devin Booker. That was a win-or-move. Right? Did
[39:25] Speaker 1: not win. But where did Devin Booker take them? By himself. No,
[39:30] Speaker 1: he had Chris Paul. He got there. He got there. Yeah.
[39:34] Speaker 1: Looked up and seen the confetti coming down like, damn.
[39:37] Speaker 1: I was there. Almost, yeah. Imagine if I had KD.
[39:39] Speaker 1: I was out of game as well. Imagine if I
[39:41] Speaker 1: had Bradley Beal.
[39:43] Speaker 4: Let's give him that. Let's give him Bradley Beal. Let's
[39:46] Speaker 4: give him KD to see if he gets it. Man,
[39:47] Speaker 4: it's been worse off. It's been worse off since. Luka, Kyrie,
[39:53] Speaker 4: or Whiskey, this should go all the way. How long
[39:59] Speaker 4: we got to wait for this shit to happen? Wait,
[40:01] Speaker 4: what do you mean it should go all the way?
[40:03] Speaker 1: Soon as they, soon as we put them together. They
[40:05] Speaker 1: went to the finals. Kyrie and Luka. Second year.
[40:07] Speaker 3: Remember he came in halfway through the year.
[40:11] Speaker 1: But just remember, look, this is immediate. This is popcorn.
[40:14] Speaker 4: Like, hey, Kyrie's going to be there. We're not looking
[40:16] Speaker 4: five years down the line. It's immediate because of how
[40:20] Speaker 4: good the guys are. Kawhi, James Hart, and Paul George.
[40:24] Speaker 4: Right away, as soon as they got them three, we like, yo,
[40:26] Speaker 4: they should, they should, they should. Paul George is on
[40:30] Speaker 4: a whole other fucking team now.
[40:31] Speaker 1: $ 50 million. You didn't hear that. Come on, man.
[40:36] Speaker 4: And then you got Shea by himself taking a bunch
[40:39] Speaker 4: of college kids up to the promised land.
[40:41] Speaker 1: He telling them motherfuckers, shut up. Sit down. Be quiet
[40:45] Speaker 1: back there, nigga. Fucking doing an interview. Don't you niggas
[40:49] Speaker 1: hear me talking? Fuck. Now, what question you had to
[40:54] Speaker 1: ask me? These kids. Man, you know what I'm saying?
[40:57] Speaker 1: This is the league we got now. This is what
[40:59] Speaker 1: we watching.
[41:01] Speaker 4: All the real vets supposed to be holding it down,
[41:03] Speaker 4: moving around, trying to figure out where they can be
[41:06] Speaker 4: called the big three.
[41:08] Speaker 3: I think they make too many bigs. Big name moves,
[41:13] Speaker 3: not realizing little tweaks. You have your core and it's
[41:18] Speaker 3: just these little tweaks you make on the role player side.
[41:22] Speaker 3: They're moving star players when it's the glue guys that
[41:29] Speaker 3: puts everything in pieces. Where when you look at Boston,
[41:33] Speaker 3: You have your main two guys.
[41:36] Speaker 1: Right?
[41:37] Speaker 3: You're bringing in a solid veteran with leadership that plays D.
[41:41] Speaker 1: Right? You lost Marcus Smart, and you upgraded a Marcus Smart. Porzingis.
[41:47] Speaker 1: And then you steal Porzingis. Steal him. Right?
[41:50] Speaker 3: So that's, you know, those are the type of deals
[41:54] Speaker 3: you do. Don't cost you much, right, when you pull
[41:57] Speaker 3: it off, and then you end up.
[42:01] Speaker 1: You get Porzingis for nothing. Go back to letting... You
[42:04] Speaker 1: get Przingis for nothing.
[42:05] Speaker 3: Like, if they trade Jimmy Butler for Beal, I don't
[42:10] Speaker 3: know if it improves them.
[42:12] Speaker 1: It just keeps you right there just with a new name.
[42:14] Speaker 3: Like, that's... You need other pieces that stabilizes the group.
[42:20] Speaker 1: Those two guys, Booker and KD, are looking around like, yeah...
[42:26] Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler, cool.
[42:27] Speaker 4: We know what he can do, but, man, we need
[42:29] Speaker 4: the intangible shit. We need this other shit. We losing
[42:32] Speaker 4: on the offensive glass. We need another big that can
[42:34] Speaker 4: go get the glass.
[42:36] Speaker 1: We need defense.
[42:37] Speaker 6: Well, that's why they need to get back to letting
[42:39] Speaker 6: GMs do their job.
[42:41] Speaker 2: So, talking about Jimmy Butler, both Jimmy Butler's sons have
[42:44] Speaker 2: let it be known they are rocking with each other.
[42:46] Speaker 2: Plenty of other hurdles in getting that done. As you
[42:48] Speaker 2: guys mentioned, Bradley Bill having a no-trade clause. and all
[42:51] Speaker 2: the leverage on his side to either stay with the
[42:53] Speaker 2: Suns or go to the team of his choosing. So
[42:55] Speaker 2: Eris talks about if this deal does happen, it would
[42:57] Speaker 2: need to be a three, four, potentially five-team trade with
[43:00] Speaker 2: a lot of different moving pieces. The Suns now have
[43:02] Speaker 2: enough three first-round picks that they can move. But ultimately,
[43:05] Speaker 2: Bill got away with his no-trade clause to get it going.
[43:07] Speaker 2: So if they can't get that deal done for Jimmy Butler,
[43:09] Speaker 2: what other players around the league should the Suns consider
[43:11] Speaker 2: trading for if they want to actually be in wind now, Mo?
[43:15] Speaker 2: Like you guys mentioned, there's other options around. Jimmy Butler,
[43:19] Speaker 2: not necessarily the only guy.
[43:20] Speaker 1: Guys like Zach Levine. You got Pelicans who are more
[43:23] Speaker 1: of that. I mean, why just the Suns? What about Milwaukee?
[43:26] Speaker 1: I thought there was a big trade. A mega trade.
[43:28] Speaker 3: A mega trade where Jimmy's going there, right, and Bill's
[43:32] Speaker 3: going to Milwaukee.
[43:34] Speaker 1: There's been... And he's saying he will... Who told you that?
[43:37] Speaker 1: And he said he will use his trade clause.
[43:42] Speaker 3: He'll lift his trade clause if you get him to Milwaukee.
[43:46] Speaker 1: Did I just dream that shit, or is that... May,
[43:49] Speaker 1: there's talks about it. Okay, I was just... It's a
[43:53] Speaker 1: couple mega trades. Some blockbuster, if you want to call them.
[43:58] Speaker 1: Can you help us? Yeah. How? Yeah, how? Because... We're
[44:04] Speaker 1: not in the same situation like the Suns? No. You
[44:09] Speaker 1: have a Giannis. Right. The Suns have a KD. Right, right.
[44:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, but y'all have a Giannis that demands.
[44:17] Speaker 1: He demands stuff, right? So... What ends up happening is
[44:21] Speaker 1: the reason you guys are not where you were is
[44:24] Speaker 1: because your number two option.
[44:27] Speaker 3: Back then, Chris Middleton, now is your third, but he
[44:33] Speaker 3: is not where he used to be, right? Not because
[44:37] Speaker 3: of his skill fell off, his body fell off, right?
[44:40] Speaker 3: So he's not as impactful as he used to be.
[44:44] Speaker 3: And I think that's what's actually hurting the team is
[44:46] Speaker 3: that your third option can't be as dominant.
[44:49] Speaker 1: You remember, he was half-court, mid-range.
[44:51] Speaker 3: He was the guy who kind of glued it all together,
[44:54] Speaker 3: and that's.
[44:55] Speaker 1: What they don't have.
[44:56] Speaker 6: So you think that Bradley Beal's been impactful with the
[44:59] Speaker 6: Suns as a third option?
[45:03] Speaker 1: If he averages eight.
[45:04] Speaker 3: If Beal averages 18... Think about it. He's averaging 18.
[45:07] Speaker 3: His 18 in Milwaukee... Who's, like, 12 or 13? His
[45:11] Speaker 3: 18 in Milwaukee is a big fucking difference.
[45:13] Speaker 1: Okay. Remember, that's the third option, 18. That's a different,
[45:19] Speaker 1: that's like the old Drew Holiday. You know what I mean? Like,
[45:21] Speaker 1: they need his 18.
[45:22] Speaker 3: Because right now, it's just two guaranteed.
[45:26] Speaker 1: But just remember, when they were scoring less then, they
[45:28] Speaker 1: were scoring less per game. And everybody, when Milwaukee was
[45:31] Speaker 1: playing good and they was winning, they were scoring less
[45:34] Speaker 1: because they had Drew, they had Brooke, they wasn't scorers,
[45:37] Speaker 1: it was just Giannis and Middleton. Now that they got.
[45:40] Speaker 3: Well, Giannis Middleton, Drew was the third option.
[45:42] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, but Drew wasn't a dynamic scorer
[45:45] Speaker 4: for them as a third option. Now you look at
[45:48] Speaker 4: third option, Middleton, if he's still that, 13.
[45:52] Speaker 1: 13, five assists, four rebounds in 18 games so far
[45:54] Speaker 1: this season, playing about 24 minutes per game. Still recovering
[45:57] Speaker 1: from the bilateral.
[45:58] Speaker 4: Statistically, you add five points, and you say, all right,
[46:01] Speaker 4: is Brad giving us the defense we was missing from
[46:04] Speaker 4: Drew Holiday?
[46:05] Speaker 1: But there's better defense than Middleton right now. It definitely is.
[46:08] Speaker 6: Yeah, but we need defense like you said, like Drew Holiday.
[46:12] Speaker 6: Is he going to be able to do that? Because
[46:14] Speaker 6: if we match up against Boston, okay, Bradley Bill is
[46:18] Speaker 6: guarding Jason Tatum.
[46:20] Speaker 1: He's going to guard Jason Tatum. Remember, that's so easy.
[46:22] Speaker 1: It's a St. Louis thing. It's a St. Louis thing.
[46:25] Speaker 1: And then Dame will guard who? Drew Holiday? Yep. Drew Holiday.
[46:28] Speaker 1: And then that leaves who's the number two? Who's the
[46:32] Speaker 1: shooting guard? Jalen Brown. Jaden Brown would be probably Giannis. No,
[46:38] Speaker 1: who's the three? Two, who's the two-three? Gary Trent? No, no,
[46:43] Speaker 1: your two is the shooter. White boy? White boy. Oh,
[46:47] Speaker 1: Dirty Bird. Green? He's going to guard white? He's coming
[46:49] Speaker 1: off the bench, though? He's not... So it's one of those...
[46:52] Speaker 1: I don't know who the two... I'm just going to...
[46:54] Speaker 1: Gary Bird. They're going to stick Giannis on Jaden Brown. No,
[46:58] Speaker 1: Giannis is going to... He was guard Tatum before Brown.
[47:01] Speaker 1: Giannis is going to... No, he's going to.
[47:04] Speaker 4: Giannis is the four, right? Oh, no, because Derek White started.
[47:06] Speaker 4: Derek White started. That's his White, Holiday, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis.
[47:11] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[47:12] Speaker 3: So I'd rather put... I'd rather put... I'd rather put
[47:15] Speaker 3: Giannis on.
[47:16] Speaker 1: Tatum. Mm-mm. Giannis on Brown. Because he plays... He plays stronger. Okay.
[47:24] Speaker 3: So I'd rather try to, you know, keep that strength
[47:27] Speaker 3: on him so he don't try to play bully basketball.
[47:28] Speaker 1: You mean... What do you mean, stronger? Stronger. Like, when
[47:30] Speaker 1: he drives, he's a lot stronger. Then who? Tatum. Oh.
[47:35] Speaker 3: So I don't want Giannis guarding Tatum, and then you
[47:39] Speaker 3: have Bradley.
[47:40] Speaker 1: Beal trying to get close enough. I think that's what
[47:43] Speaker 1: Steve Kerr was saying, too. He was like, yeah, we
[47:45] Speaker 1: need somebody stronger in here. Jason Tatum, I'm sorry. I
[47:51] Speaker 1: support you, if that means anything to you. They out here.
[47:54] Speaker 1: There ain't no slander. They got a back-to-back. He's stronger, man.
[47:56] Speaker 1: He's stronger. There's somebody who can box him out. There's
[48:01] Speaker 1: somebody who can box him out. Box him out, Jalen Brown. Mr. B,
[48:03] Speaker 1: Tatum in L.A. right now.
[48:04] Speaker 2: He said he was looking for you, but he couldn't
[48:06] Speaker 2: get out to Woodland Hill.
[48:07] Speaker 1: Too much traffic. He's going to pull up. Scared to
[48:09] Speaker 1: wear a new brand. He said, they scared to wear
[48:15] Speaker 1: new brands. Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, you are in L.A.
[48:19] Speaker 1: Open invite to pull up. We don't care about no game.
[48:22] Speaker 1: We got one more show tomorrow. We'll put you on
[48:24] Speaker 1: the security line. You know what?
[48:25] Speaker 6: I don't like the mid-season trades like that with teams
[48:28] Speaker 6: that's in the hunt.
[48:31] Speaker 1: That's like in that position.
[48:33] Speaker 3: You got to, like, mid-season trades, man, you're looking for
[48:37] Speaker 3: the one right person.
[48:39] Speaker 1: It's a rare, like. You don't think Jimmy Butler would
[48:42] Speaker 1: fit us better? I'm not mad at either one of them.
[48:47] Speaker 1: I do. I do, because he's more defensive-minded. I think Jimmy,
[48:51] Speaker 1: just because he went to Marquette, and just, I think
[48:53] Speaker 1: that's somewhere he... Yeah, I'm not mad. I'm not mad
[48:56] Speaker 1: at either one. I just don't want him to end
[48:58] Speaker 1: up looking like.
[49:00] Speaker 4: And not that this is a bad look, but for Jimmy, like,
[49:05] Speaker 4: end up like how Jay Crowder was when he was
[49:07] Speaker 4: in Milwaukee. Because Jay could have done more. I think
[49:10] Speaker 4: Jay's a better player, but he was regulated to just
[49:12] Speaker 4: be that. that guy that's out there behind there, like,
[49:15] Speaker 4: cleaning up shit.
[49:16] Speaker 1: Nah, Jimmy's, I mean, Jimmy's more of a, but Jimmy's
[49:19] Speaker 1: more of a, like, come on, More of a what?
[49:21] Speaker 1: That's the old Jimmy. Nah, Jimmy's still... This new Jimmy
[49:25] Speaker 1: we just, the dude we see him running around? Nah,
[49:26] Speaker 1: Jimmy's still a dog, man. Huh? Jimmy's still a dog. Like...
[49:30] Speaker 1: Dying his hair and shit.
[49:31] Speaker 2: But if you're the Sons, Bucks, whoever, seeing the situation
[49:34] Speaker 2: that's going on in Miami... how are you going to
[49:37] Speaker 2: think that, damn, this could happen to me down the road?
[49:39] Speaker 1: Exactly. I'm like... There's no assurance in that. His chances
[49:44] Speaker 1: is better with either team, though, Bucks or Suns. Yeah. Who? Paper,
[49:47] Speaker 1: right now. Now, his chance... So, down the road, it
[49:50] Speaker 1: wouldn't even.
[49:51] Speaker 6: First of all, you couldn't even do that because you're
[49:53] Speaker 6: playing with guys who actually have a ring.
[49:55] Speaker 1: So... You can't go to Milwaukee and tell Giannis, you know,
[49:59] Speaker 1: such and such. You can't go to the Suns and
[50:00] Speaker 1: tell KD. No, no, no, no, no. You got to
[50:03] Speaker 1: fall in line.
[50:04] Speaker 3: I think the winner of this, if this trade actually happens,
[50:06] Speaker 3: the winner will be Milwaukee Bucks. Because whoever they get,
[50:11] Speaker 3: it's actually an upgrade physically for Middleton.
[50:15] Speaker 1: Like, he's only playing 24 minutes.
[50:16] Speaker 3: You're trying to win a championship.
[50:19] Speaker 1: I mean, who else we got to give up? I know.
[50:21] Speaker 1: But you can't take that risk. What does he end up, though?
[50:24] Speaker 1: He ends up in... Phoenix or in Miami? Miami. Because
[50:29] Speaker 1: he had two ankle injuries and knees, right? I mean,
[50:33] Speaker 1: I mean. Said he had to relearn how to walk
[50:35] Speaker 1: this offseason after having surgery on both ankles. He did great,
[50:38] Speaker 1: but at this moment in time. He's solidified. Yeah, Mike
[50:42] Speaker 1: read it. He just, freak injuries, that's just too much, man.
[50:47] Speaker 1: We know how good he can be, how good he is,
[50:49] Speaker 1: but it's like. Also has a player option after this season, so.
[50:52] Speaker 1: So is that all we have to give up, would
[50:54] Speaker 1: just be him, or is it somebody else? Probably got
[50:56] Speaker 1: to sprinkle some more stuff in there.
[50:57] Speaker 2: I think he's set to make it 32 this year,
[51:00] Speaker 2: make 34 next year.
[51:01] Speaker 1: You got to get rid of Brooke, bro. He ain't
[51:05] Speaker 1: doing it, bro. But who's our big? Giannis is your big.
[51:08] Speaker 1: Put Giannis at the front? I mean, you can.
[51:10] Speaker 4: You can bring somebody else in, but you just got that.
[51:13] Speaker 1: He not doing it, man. Nurk potentially?
[51:15] Speaker 4: Nurk would be cool. He just not doing it. You
[51:18] Speaker 4: can't be letting these kind of guys fly under the radar. Like,
[51:21] Speaker 4: he's supposed to be doing it. Is Bobby Portis not
[51:23] Speaker 4: a starter? Man, Bobby, he supposed to be a starter.
[51:28] Speaker 3: Like, I mean, he can't guard fives. He can't play fives.
[51:31] Speaker 3: I mean, what is Lopez really? He can shoot a 3-2, right?
[51:33] Speaker 1: Yep.
[51:33] Speaker 3: So what makes him any different than Lopez? Like, if
[51:37] Speaker 3: they said, all right, Lopez, sit down.
[51:38] Speaker 1: He block shots. Who? Brooke block shots. He a shot blocker. Yeah.
[51:43] Speaker 1: Niggas drive the lane still? Yeah. That's the only thing
[51:48] Speaker 1: I use. I ain't really see much layups, I mean.
[51:50] Speaker 1: He don't rebound. He don't do nothing else. So Porter
[51:53] Speaker 1: started 5-5 of the 40 games this season, so very,
[51:55] Speaker 1: very sparingly. At the 5? At the 4? I mean, Giannis,
[51:59] Speaker 1: where he coming for Giannis? Like the way Giannis play,
[52:02] Speaker 1: Giannis can play five if he wants to. You know,
[52:05] Speaker 1: I hear you.
[52:05] Speaker 4: I think they play him at the five and Portis
[52:08] Speaker 4: at the four sometimes.
[52:09] Speaker 1: They play him at the four. My thing is matching
[52:12] Speaker 1: up with Boston. That's, yeah.
[52:15] Speaker 4: That's what I think it should be. Giannis matches up
[52:17] Speaker 4: with Przingis. They go small.
[52:18] Speaker 1: Listen, I can tell you this. Or put Bobby.
[52:21] Speaker 3: If you get Jimmy Butler or Bradley Beal, I'm taking Bucks.
[52:29] Speaker 1: Over the Celtics.
[52:30] Speaker 3: The reason is this. The X factor is Giannis. Giannis
[52:36] Speaker 3: don't play that game. Y'all have a series where you
[52:42] Speaker 3: shoot 12 for fucking 52? Giannis fucked y'all up then.
[52:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[52:47] Speaker 3: Because he ain't taking threes no more. He's posting up
[52:50] Speaker 3: and getting to that free throw line. So a guy
[52:52] Speaker 3: who's shooting about 68 from the two, you can't have
[52:57] Speaker 3: one of those nights against Giannis.
[52:59] Speaker 1: Against them.
[52:59] Speaker 3: You're going to literally, if you're shooting 50-something threes against Giannis,
[53:03] Speaker 3: you better be stopping him. Like, you literally got to
[53:07] Speaker 3: hold him at, like, 46% to.
[53:09] Speaker 1: Still win that game. If he's sitting there attacking the
[53:12] Speaker 1: whole time, going for layups, dog, you can't win. And
[53:15] Speaker 1: you're running down. Mathematically, you can't win that game. And
[53:17] Speaker 1: you're running down, shooting, motherfucker. You come down, shoot, miss. Yep. Giannis, two. Shoot,
[53:22] Speaker 1: miss again. Giannis, two more and one. Mm-hmm. Five-point twist.
[53:26] Speaker 2: But how many games do you reasonably expect the Celtics
[53:29] Speaker 2: to have like that if that's what you're banking on
[53:32] Speaker 2: in a seven-game series?
[53:33] Speaker 3: Okay, if Giannis was on the Dallas team and the
[53:37] Speaker 3: way they were shooting the ball still, how they shot
[53:40] Speaker 3: the ball in that Dallas game.
[53:43] Speaker 1: Like, you have a guy who's not going to be
[53:46] Speaker 1: playing the 3-point, 3-point, 3-point, and you shooting 50 of them,
[53:49] Speaker 1: they shooting 30. Mathematically, you're winning if you make more, right?
[53:53] Speaker 1: He's not.
[53:53] Speaker 3: He's free throws and layups, free throws and layups. You can't,
[53:58] Speaker 3: you got to be shooting in the 40, 45 to 60%
[54:03] Speaker 3: just to keep up with his guaranteed damn near twos.
[54:05] Speaker 1: And free throws.
[54:06] Speaker 4: So if we know they're going to shoot 52 threes,
[54:09] Speaker 4: we don't know the percentage that they're going to shoot.
[54:11] Speaker 1: What's our defensive strategy? 52, we know.
[54:19] Speaker 4: We know they shooting 52 tonight. They going to shoot them.
[54:22] Speaker 4: What is our strategy to stop this from happening?
[54:27] Speaker 1: But do you want them to? That's why I asked
[54:28] Speaker 1: the question. Do you want them to shoot threes or
[54:31] Speaker 1: you want them to? Can you handle the twos? If
[54:35] Speaker 1: my strategy is take them off the line. And we
[54:38] Speaker 1: going over. And we going to the, we reach them
[54:41] Speaker 1: at the rim. We meet them at the rim, everything
[54:44] Speaker 1: at the rim. Take them off the line. Now, what
[54:48] Speaker 1: kind of game are we playing at this point? No threes.
[54:51] Speaker 1: They uncomfortable. They uncomfortable. Who's making twos? Who's doing two-dribble pull-ups?
[54:56] Speaker 1: One guy on that team. Jason Taylor. Jalen Brown. Jason Taylor.
[54:59] Speaker 1: He's making layups. Two-dribble pull-up. He'll get in the middie. Two-dribble.
[55:03] Speaker 1: Fade on you. But Brown getting to the lane. He
[55:05] Speaker 1: going to get in the lane. He the only one.
[55:07] Speaker 1: Everybody else uncomfortable. Yeah. They going to be tripping.
[55:10] Speaker 4: They going to be trying to step, sidestep. No, we
[55:13] Speaker 4: stay down.
[55:14] Speaker 3: If I'm going to push anybody to the lane, I'm pushing.
[55:17] Speaker 1: Probably Derek White. Derek White. I'm going to push Derek White,
[55:19] Speaker 1: Al Horford, and Porzingis. All day. Just run them off
[55:21] Speaker 1: the line. All day.
[55:22] Speaker 3: Make them, you know, just run them off the line.
[55:24] Speaker 1: Hauser, Pritchard, run them off. Yeah, just run them off
[55:27] Speaker 1: the line. Right? The only person.
[55:29] Speaker 3: And me, if Pritchard comes in the game, I'm going
[55:32] Speaker 3: to treat him like Barrera.
[55:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[55:34] Speaker 3: And I'm going to treat him like Jason Terry. I'm...
[55:38] Speaker 3: I'm doubling him with every pick and roll.
[55:40] Speaker 1: Every time. Make him give it up. We're not taking
[55:43] Speaker 1: a chance. Play one-on-one. I know you're in here to
[55:47] Speaker 1: do one thing, right? Yeah. Get buckets, right? So my
[55:51] Speaker 1: scouting report.
[55:52] Speaker 3: When Pritchard comes in the game, we're going to treat
[55:54] Speaker 3: him like a starter that is trying to hurt us.
[55:58] Speaker 1: Trap him. Trap him. Did I just hear you show
[56:00] Speaker 1: respect to Peyton Pritchard, a.k.a. P-Ray? Yeah. Why wouldn't I? Hey,
[56:04] Speaker 1: he nice, bro. He damn nice. Pritchard wasn't the person
[56:07] Speaker 1: I was talking about. It was two. It was a combo.
[56:10] Speaker 1: He put the combo on him. He wanted to know
[56:13] Speaker 1: what's wrong with me being in the game, Gil. What's
[56:16] Speaker 1: your energy like?
[56:17] Speaker 3: But it changes if they get a third solid guy
[56:20] Speaker 3: that can put.
[56:21] Speaker 1: The ball in the basket. Either one. I forgot because
[56:23] Speaker 1: Bradley Bull played defense, too. That's what I'm saying. He
[56:27] Speaker 1: will guard.
[56:29] Speaker 4: Well, that's why I asked that question, because it's like,
[56:31] Speaker 4: how many teams have defensive discipline to run guys off
[56:34] Speaker 4: the lane, run them off the three-point line, still get
[56:37] Speaker 4: back into play, get the rebound, play good.
[56:40] Speaker 1: Solid bats?
[56:40] Speaker 4: I just don't see that shit. It's like a fantasy
[56:42] Speaker 4: in my mind of like, this is how we're going
[56:44] Speaker 4: to guard it. They're not going to get none of
[56:46] Speaker 4: this shit off tonight, and we're going to rebound, and.
[56:49] Speaker 1: We're going to go. And you never see it. It's
[56:52] Speaker 1: shot 50 step-backs tonight.
[56:53] Speaker 3: It's like playing against Phoenix Suns, right? You just figure just... slide, slide,
[57:00] Speaker 3: and somebody chucked that shit.
[57:01] Speaker 1: Right? Right?
[57:03] Speaker 3: Somebody chucking you good, and the time when they pass
[57:06] Speaker 3: the ball seven times around.
[57:08] Speaker 1: You look stupid because you're like, oh, damn. They shot
[57:11] Speaker 1: the last two. You're making me look bad on defense, bro. Execute, man.
[57:16] Speaker 1: You just pass, pass, shot the ball, man. I got
[57:18] Speaker 1: to run around and chase you. We get the ball back.
[57:20] Speaker 1: Now you're sitting here. I got to close out. You
[57:22] Speaker 1: done dribbled twice, and I got to snap back. Nobody
[57:24] Speaker 1: want to do that. Nobody.
[57:26] Speaker 3: This is quick offense where... I don't really have to
[57:29] Speaker 3: give much effort because you already chucked it.
[57:31] Speaker 4: And you can see that in the demeanor of everybody
[57:33] Speaker 4: out there playing defense.
[57:34] Speaker 1: They like, oh, shoot it already. Shoot it already. Shoot it.
[57:37] Speaker 1: Go ahead, man, so we can get the rebound.
[57:38] Speaker 6: So going on record, if Milwaukee Bucks get either one,
[57:41] Speaker 6: we going to the finals.
[57:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. And you coming to Milwaukee. to come watch that.
[57:48] Speaker 1: Milwaukee in another city, that's prominent? No, no, no. Like
[57:52] Speaker 1: if New York is playing, like, what? No, no, no. No, no. Like,
[57:57] Speaker 1: I mean, if Bucs is playing, like, New York, yeah,
[58:00] Speaker 1: I go to New York. No, no, no. If Bucs play,
[58:03] Speaker 1: when Bucs meet Boston in the Eastern Conference Finals. Come
[58:06] Speaker 1: to game six and watch us win. In Boston? No,
[58:10] Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. In Milwaukee, yeah. Underdog very active in Wisconsin.
[58:14] Speaker 3: They don't serve food after 5.30 p.m.
[58:17] Speaker 1: Where? In Milwaukee. The city closed down. Bro, you got
[58:20] Speaker 1: to relax. Bro, you got to relax. Don't talk about
[58:22] Speaker 1: the 414 like that. Don't do that. Don't the city
[58:24] Speaker 1: got a curfew? No. No. They got a curfew for
[58:29] Speaker 1: black people. When the streetlights come on, everybody get inside.
[58:32] Speaker 1: That might be across the whole country. Purge. Purge. The
[58:36] Speaker 1: purr sound comes on. America may be a sundown town soon, but... Stop.
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[58:43] Speaker 1: about my people?
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[1:00:13] Speaker 2: Sixers made an appearance in the Mile High City Tuesday night,
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: and we're still without Joel Embiid, who missed his eighth
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: straight game while dealing with a left knee injury. Sixers
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: big man hasn't played a game in Denver since 2019.
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: Damn.
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: And Nuggets fans took the opportunity to troll the former MVP.
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: Where's Embiid at? So, where's Embiid at? Hmm.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: Run through ball arena. Embiid was on the Sixers bench
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: in street clothes. Seemed to enjoy the Nuggets fans trolling
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: throughout the game. A lot has happened since the last
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: time Embiid was on the court in Denver for a
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: game against the Nuggets. So let's take a trip back
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: down memory lane. So back in 2019, last time Embiid
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: played in Denver, Tom Brady was the Patriots quarterback. Ty
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: Gurley was still on the Rams. Bradley Beal averaged 30
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: points per game. Tiger King in the last dance weren't
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: even out yet. The UK was still a part of
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: the EU, and the Lakers had yet to win the
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: hardest championship in NBA history inside the bubble in the
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: midst of a global pandemic.
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: So is it fair to say.
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: Embiid ducks the Jokic smoke in Denver, or do we
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: give him a pass for injuries?
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: Do it again, Gil. Do it again. Do it again. Duck, duck, goose, motherfucker.
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: You're crazy. Ducking that swim. Somebody trying to tag you.
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: Not today. I know what this altitude do. Get off me. Woo.
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: This altitude fucks with my cheeseburger habit. You crazy? Give
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: me gas.
[1:02:03] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: I'm waiting down. I'm waiting till we go down back
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: to L.A. where it's down the hill. How tough is
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: it to play in Denver? My high city, lungs burning.
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. First five minutes. First five minutes, you done.
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: Since 2019? You adjust after the first five, though. Yeah,
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: but still. You do when you in shape. You die.
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: When you in shape, you do. If he dies, he dies.
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: It don't matter. You got to have your second win, though.
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: That second win can't... I don't have a back-to-back. It's
[1:02:34] Speaker 1: the worst.
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, you coming off a back-to-back, you play somewhere, then
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: play there.
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: Count that as a loss. Yeah, you done. Did you
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: cramp after those games? Nah, nah, nah. You didn't cramp?
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: Did you cramp? Because we left right away. You didn't
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: give us... Like, you didn't, like... Yeah, because we came in.
[1:02:52] Speaker 4: We used to come in early because we was, like,
[1:02:54] Speaker 4: right next to them, so we would come in a
[1:02:56] Speaker 4: day early.
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: Day early. I used to cramp my bags with them pounds.
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: That's how you feel? That's how you feel? Colorado purveyor,
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: some of the rough greens. Yeah. Fine greenery. But it's
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: fair to say now Embiid ducking, juggling. For sure.
[1:03:16] Speaker 3: Man is hurt. No, I mean, this year he's hurt.
[1:03:20] Speaker 3: Last year he was hurt too, right? That's when someone
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: fell on his knee?
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: Okay. What about the other years? He did get called
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: out by Coach Prime too. Hey man, listen man. We
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: pay to see the stars play. Don't be ducking. I
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: don't want to come to your hood anyway. Come to
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: my hood. Is he the what? Brandon, Brandon, Brandon, Brandon.
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: Is he the who? Go ahead, go ahead. Is he
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: the softest bitch? It's hard to do that when he
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: gives him 50. That's the only part that is like...
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: You're ducking him there... But you are whooping his ass
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: when y'all do play. Okay.
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: You know, he is whooping his ass when they do
[1:04:06] Speaker 3: actually match up.
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: He just ain't matching up in his hometown. I ain't
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: going to Serbia, goddammit. Come on down to... Cameroon. Come
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: on down to Philly, baby. You can keep you in there.
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: So he never played in Denver? He hasn't played since 2019.
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: But everywhere else, he play him. He plays... No, yeah,
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: he plays him in Philly.
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: He whoops him in Philly, yeah. He just ain't playing
[1:04:27] Speaker 3: him in his hometown. He ain't got the advantage up there.
[1:04:32] Speaker 1: Man. Man. You know the foreigners don't have the same
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: etiquette we got, you know? You know, Drake suing motherfuckers,
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? You know, he ducking smoke,
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just something with,
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: you know, America. America, America, great America. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no,
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: he ducking smoke. No, yeah. That's a fact. I ain't
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: never seen nobody duck smoke like that, though. Especially there. Yeah.
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: Especially there. Like, that's... I ain't never seen.
[1:05:12] Speaker 3: I mean, he get a pack because he is hurt,
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: but it's still the.
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: It's out there. Like, it's been too many years. So
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: where does he rank as big now? Is he ever
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: going to be in it? He can't even crack the
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: top score? It's one of those arguments.
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: It's one of those arguments an Embiid fan is going
[1:05:29] Speaker 3: to be making on the eye test.
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: It's the same thing.
[1:05:33] Speaker 3: They're going to throw away the stats and just say
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: the eye test is better.
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? A wild inner conversation without
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: the championships. So let's talk a little bit more.
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: Since winning MVP 2023, Embiid has only played a total
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: of 52 regular season games while dealing with various injuries. Meanwhile,
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: Jokic has 44 triple-doubles in that same time frame, and
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: he's logged four straight triple-doubles. In all four, he did
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: not play in the fourth quarter. Ties an NBA record
[1:06:00] Speaker 2: with Harden and Westbrook.
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: So... Hey. Has Jokic cleared Embiid as the better basketball player?
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: That's smoke. That's smoke you duck.
[1:06:11] Speaker 2: Has Jokic cleared Embiid as the better basketball player? Is
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: that a conversation we can have? Is he going to
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: be in the NBA? Better basketball, I mean.
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: I said Embiid was... What is the matchup numbers against
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: each other?
[1:06:25] Speaker 4: Let's pull it up. Two years ago, I said it
[1:06:27] Speaker 4: was Embiid. But now, it's easy. It's an easy landslide.
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: This man about to average a triple-double again. He available.
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: He play all the games. He don't take no shortcuts.
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: He don't take no days off. He available. He don't
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: take no plays off. He does it all. So Embiid,
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: 6-2 in their career meetings. So Embiid has the edge there.
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: In their meetings, met eight times. Embiid's averaging 28, 11,
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: four assists, one steal, two blocks. Jokic averaging 22, 10,
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: seven assists, one steal, one block. So he's dominating them.
[1:07:06] Speaker 3: And that's what I said, the argument is going to
[1:07:08] Speaker 3: always be for an Embiid fan is like just, you know,
[1:07:12] Speaker 3: they're going to throw away stats and just be, this
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: is what he did against him, they're going to pull
[1:07:16] Speaker 3: out the six and two and all the stats and
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: it's going to, but at the end of the day,
[1:07:22] Speaker 3: One is a professional. From when he was overweight, when
[1:07:26] Speaker 3: he came into the league, and he slid.
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: You know, baby fat.
[1:07:31] Speaker 3: Or grown man, big baby fat, whatever you want to
[1:07:33] Speaker 3: call it. And he gets in shape every year, ready
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: to play, no days off. I don't even know how
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: many games Jokic misses. If someone said, Man, Jokic ain't
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: missed a game in the last five years.
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: We would be like, yeah, yeah, I can go with that, right?
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: He's available.
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: Like, his impact is consistent. It's like it's going to
[1:08:01] Speaker 3: be the longevity. Like, when he was out there, like,
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: he was out there. He was available, yes. Embiid had
[1:08:07] Speaker 3: the offensive talent, but he was never available to play.
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: He was always heard. He was... So, I think Jokic
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: played 79 games last season. I believe he's missed six
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: games so far this season. Yeah.
[1:08:20] Speaker 6: Does he fall in the category of, like, Grant Hill
[1:08:22] Speaker 6: and all them?
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: Who? The what-ifs? Yeah. He becomes a what-ifs player. I mean,
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: he won the MVP. Should've won the MVP. Should've won.
[1:08:31] Speaker 4: I mean, because he way past the Grand Hill.
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: He way past that. Yeah, I mean, he's accomplished something.
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: He's like Kawhi. They accomplished something. He got a scoring title.
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: He got a scoring title. They still fucked the injury up. Like,
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: D-Rose is still like a one. He got a scoring title.
[1:08:47] Speaker 4: He got an MVP. He put in monster numbers for
[1:08:49] Speaker 4: at least three, four years.
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: It's a lot of.
[1:08:52] Speaker 4: It's more like a... I don't want to say T-Mac.
[1:08:56] Speaker 4: But somebody... You can use.
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: You can kind of use Mac.
[1:09:00] Speaker 4: Because it's a Hall of Fame-type career, but he got injured.
[1:09:05] Speaker 4: Got close, got close, maybe not close enough. Like, T-Mac
[1:09:08] Speaker 4: was with Houston with Yao-type shit.
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: I don't see them getting no closer. Say, what about Yao?
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: What if Yao don't get hurt? What if Yao would
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: have kept playing? Oh, yeah. Yeah, see, he misses his
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: first two years of the... you know, first two years.
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: The Beatles turned 31 in March. He would have had
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: two scorers. Damn, he would have had, what, two scoring,
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: two scoring titles. Two, like, so he would have had
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: two scoring titles, two MVPs. Yep.
[1:09:33] Speaker 3: If they didn't put the rule in. But I think
[1:09:37] Speaker 3: scoring titles should be total points.
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: Not average. How much you score that? Huh? Oh, okay.
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: Like, if you average 34 and play, let's say, 65 games,
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: someone averaged 31 and played all 82 games, mathematically, that
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: guy scored more points than you.
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: Gotcha.
[1:09:55] Speaker 3: I think that just because every other sport is what?
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: Totals football? It's totals, right?
[1:09:59] Speaker 3: I think the NBA, like, stuff like that should be totals,
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: not the average of.
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: So rebounds, assists, and all that, too, then? Yeah. It
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: should be, like, the totals leader, not... But shouldn't games
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: impact that? I'm just saying, like.
[1:10:13] Speaker 3: But, like, what I'm saying is if you play 65 games.
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: And you average 13 assists, and someone played 82 games
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: and averaged 11 assists, he has way more assists than
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: you because he played way more games than you.
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: So in theory, he is the leader.
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: And diminishing returns, if you did play those 17 more games,
[1:10:36] Speaker 2: odds are likely that that 13 would dip a little bit.
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: I mean, that makes sense. Availability is the best. Because
[1:10:41] Speaker 1: everything is totals.
[1:10:42] Speaker 3: Like, we don't do who averaged the most in scoring
[1:10:45] Speaker 3: history for the scoring title.
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: This is the motherfucker who has the most points total.
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: That's how that works. Well, Gil, speaking of... And motherfuckers
[1:10:53] Speaker 1: to stop sitting out, too.
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: Speaking of the MF who has the most points total,
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: Lakers got smacked by the Clippers on Sunday in L.A.,
[1:11:01] Speaker 2: and on Monday night, LeBron was in the building to
[1:11:03] Speaker 2: watch Ohio State win the national championship at Mercedes-Benz Stadium
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: in Atlanta. They defeated Notre Dame, were up quite handedly.
[1:11:10] Speaker 2: Notre Dame made a comeback. It was not enough. So
[1:11:12] Speaker 2: with the Lakers having a home game Tuesday night, this
[1:11:14] Speaker 2: could have been a big deal, but thankfully that game
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: was against the Wizards, and LeBron preemptively silenced the haters
[1:11:19] Speaker 2: by making more history while helping lead the Lakers to
[1:11:22] Speaker 2: a win.
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: Let's look at some highlights. LeBron messed around and dropped
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: a triple-double on the Wiz, finishing with 21 points, 10 rebounds,
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: and 13 assists. LeBron joins Karl Malone as just the
[1:11:34] Speaker 1: second player in NBA history to have a triple-double at
[1:11:36] Speaker 1: age 40 or older. The mailman had 10 points, 11 rebounds,
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: 10 assists while playing in his final NBA season with
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: the Lakers back in 2003. LeBron also had two steals
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: in the game, which gives him 2,309 in his career,
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: moving him past Scottie Pippen for seventh on the all-time list.
[1:11:54] Speaker 1: Anthony Davis led the Purple and Gold with a team-high
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: 29 points to go along with 16 rebounds, five dimes,
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: and four blocks. And Dorian Finney-Smith, also known as Black
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: and Mild by Gil, has 16 points off the bench,
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: His most is joining the team. Yeah, you see it.
[1:12:08] Speaker 1: Here you go, Black. Shout out Black and Mouth. Black
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: and Mouth are crazy niggas. Come to L.A., hey, Black
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: and Mouth. We're going to see if it sticks. It
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: was the Wizards, so you can't really. Or a man's cigar. Whoa.
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: Come on, Gil. We did get to see Bronny, too.
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: Bronny had a steal and a game-seemly rebound to help
[1:12:30] Speaker 2: propel the Lakers to victory.
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: Game-seemly.
[1:12:35] Speaker 2: Things could have took a turn for the worse if
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: he had not secured that ball. You just never know.
[1:12:40] Speaker 2: Shout out, Bronny. Always love to see Bronny time. Lakers,
[1:12:44] Speaker 2: 23-18 at the midway point of the season. Been really
[1:12:48] Speaker 2: good against the bad teams in the league. Have struggled
[1:12:51] Speaker 2: against the good teams in the league. Still sixth in
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: the West. So, Gil, you're a resident Lakers fan. I
[1:12:58] Speaker 2: believe you were watching that game on playback last night.
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: Did an Ask Me Anything with a bunch of fans
[1:13:04] Speaker 2: in the building. How would you grade the Lakers halfway
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: through the season? You can grade on the curve too, Gil.
[1:13:13] Speaker 2: This is Los Angeles.
[1:13:14] Speaker 3: From not having... You just said it yesterday. Not having Woods,
[1:13:18] Speaker 3: Vando ain't played this year. Guys we thought was going
[1:13:22] Speaker 3: to be helpful.
[1:13:23] Speaker 1: Very essential rotational players.
[1:13:28] Speaker 3: 40-year-old, number one option. I'm going to give us a
[1:13:36] Speaker 3: C +.
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: On a curve or just standard? Wow. All those things
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: you mentioned could be very beneficial. I'm going to give them.
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: C's get degrees. Don't let them lock you.
[1:13:50] Speaker 3: I'm going to give a C +.
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: It would be a.
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: B with the lineup we have, but I don't think
[1:14:01] Speaker 3: when there's games we know it's guaranteed wins. We don't
[1:14:06] Speaker 3: put in players that this is they get a chance
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: to really, you know, try to play like that is
[1:14:12] Speaker 3: very important. Like you have to understand where the game
[1:14:15] Speaker 3: is sealed and they gave up.
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: Right. It was four minutes into the game. The game
[1:14:20] Speaker 1: was over.
[1:14:21] Speaker 3: They didn't have anybody out there playing at a level
[1:14:24] Speaker 3: where they were going to make some type of combat.
[1:14:27] Speaker 3: So you could have put some of those younger guys
[1:14:29] Speaker 3: in to get some experience, and those are the moments
[1:14:31] Speaker 3: we miss because those are the moments that actually give
[1:14:34] Speaker 3: them a chance to get some game experience.
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: You can't wait for 30-point blowouts. Struggled against the Nets.
[1:14:43] Speaker 2: Nets had gotten smacked by the Clippers' previous game. A
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: bunch of guys didn't play. We're a D-low three away
[1:14:48] Speaker 2: from potentially losing that game. Wizards came to town way
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: more interesting than it needed to be. Bronny limited to about, what,
[1:14:56] Speaker 2: a minute and a half?
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: A minute and a half.
[1:14:57] Speaker 2: You know, very disrespectful for all the work that Bronny
[1:15:00] Speaker 2: puts in for this Lakers franchise.
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: So you say you give them a C-plus? With the
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: liners we have? You said they were bottom shelf the
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: other day. Bottom shelf, C-plus.
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: C-plus, bottom shelf. D, F, bottom shelf. No, no, D,
[1:15:12] Speaker 2: F is, I mean, like, where they at? Six in
[1:15:16] Speaker 2: the Adam Silver's Western Conference.
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: And how many games away from third? Let me pull
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: it up. Two? Let me see. Three? I'm just making
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: this up right now. No, three is fine. Nobody else
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: is going to check in the chat. How many from?
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: From third, they are four games. Okay. And then how many?
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: Four and a half from second, though, if that makes sense.
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: Four and a half. And then how many from 11? See, Brandon,
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: that's nuts. Just ask the question. You're pushing murders now.
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: Two and a half games from the 11th. Okay. I'm
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: saying you're in sixth spot. Let's look positive. Let's trade
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: in the right direction. I'm saying you're in sixth spot.
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: your number one player is 40, and the.
[1:15:51] Speaker 3: Rest of your team ain't that good, and you're in
[1:15:53] Speaker 3: sixth spot, I'll take it.
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: Because if we was in last place, where's the team
[1:15:58] Speaker 1: with three guys who are priming? The Suns. The Suns
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: are 10th, Timberwolves are 9th.
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: We could be there, and nobody would be like, eh, Warriors.
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: Or Lakers, they ain't got shit. So we could be there.
[1:16:11] Speaker 6: Do you think you guys would be higher if Brown
[1:16:14] Speaker 6: wasn't the number one option, and just let AD just.
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: No.
[1:16:19] Speaker 3: Because he ain't doing it. That's the thing. Everything for
[1:16:22] Speaker 3: the last four years is Anthony Davis going to take
[1:16:25] Speaker 3: over to be the number one option.
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: How can he? Keep demanding. At some point, AD say,
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: I want these keys, sir. Give me the keys to
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: the Kia. Doctor Strange has said that you guys are trash. Trash!
[1:16:47] Speaker 1: Can you do the flex one more time, please? Trash.
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: That wasn't the sound effect I was looking for. Trash.
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: That's it. Trash. Okay. Lakers are trash. No grave for that.
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: So no grave.
[1:17:04] Speaker 6: But do you think it'd be different if Bron was
[1:17:05] Speaker 6: the third option and then A.D. and, you know, Reeves
[1:17:12] Speaker 6: was second?
[1:17:12] Speaker 1: You think it'd be different? Trash.
[1:17:14] Speaker 4: No matter what? You know the three bins? that sit
[1:17:17] Speaker 4: outside of the house. When you got nice houses, you
[1:17:19] Speaker 4: got three bins. You got the black one, the green one,
[1:17:22] Speaker 4: and the blue one.
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: All trash. In all bins. It's trash in all of them. Bins? Trash.
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: What's wrong with bins? When you say trash... Trash.
[1:17:38] Speaker 3: They have to be playing worse than the expectations you
[1:17:41] Speaker 3: have on them, correct?
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: No. Pssst. That's how narratives work, ladies and gentlemen. Trash
[1:17:51] Speaker 1: is like 15. Trash is on the corner. Huh? Trash
[1:17:55] Speaker 1: is on the corner. This is correct. I know, so
[1:17:58] Speaker 1: like last place is trash. Trash is on the corner. 15, 14,
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: place is trash.
[1:18:03] Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, is it trash if that's
[1:18:05] Speaker 3: where you're projected?
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: Like if you are Blazers, you are coming to the season,
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: you're last place.
[1:18:11] Speaker 3: And you're playing like the last place? We're not giving
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: you an F? Only way you get an F is
[1:18:18] Speaker 3: if you do something what Detroit did last year.
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: No, we don't give them a grade. We don't give
[1:18:22] Speaker 1: them nothing at all. We do not acknowledge them generally. Yeah,
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: they're not even students. Or Sixers. Trash. Suns. Suns. Lakers. Trash.
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: Those three. Trash. Trash. Trash. Trash. Where did we predict
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: the Lakers was going to finish this year? The show
[1:18:42] Speaker 1: or the... The show. At the beginning of the season.
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: I think we said 5'6. 6'7. Nope. 7'8, right? 7'8. good. 7-8.
[1:18:51] Speaker 3: So the fact that they're 6, they're playing better than
[1:18:55] Speaker 3: you projected, so they can't be considered trash.
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: Oh, that's not accurate. Everybody else is playing trash. But
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: they're playing less trash. Who's playing good? Then the trash?
[1:19:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, they're playing less trash than the expected trash, which
[1:19:06] Speaker 4: puts them right in the middle of the trash.
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: They're in the middle of trash. 16, though, Shaq. Who's
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: playing good, then? Who's playing good to you? Above trash. So, like,
[1:19:16] Speaker 1: who's at Houston? Like, that's an A. They get an
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: A compared to where we thought they were going to be.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: They're an A. Who's three right now? Memphis? All the
[1:19:25] Speaker 1: top three teams should not be there. What? The top
[1:19:29] Speaker 1: three teams should not be the top three teams. No.
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: Because they were not there the last two years. Thunder were... Okay,
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: she was. Okay, she was there. You know what I
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: mean when I'm saying that. Grizzlies have been there previously.
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: We talk about... The Kings were, too. The Kings were, too.
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: We're talking about the majority of the juggernaut teams.
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: Nuggets... Lakers, Suns, Dallas. No, Lakers has never been there. Exactly.
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: They've never been.
[1:19:52] Speaker 4: But the expectation of them being there is all because
[1:19:55] Speaker 4: they're the bigger teams with the bigger rosters.
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: Because of LeBron James. Because of LeBron James. All that shit.
[1:19:58] Speaker 1: And then you got the other teams that are not nothing, right?
[1:20:01] Speaker 1: They trash.
[1:20:02] Speaker 4: But they up at the top now. They're above. They're competing.
[1:20:06] Speaker 4: They're competing. Now everyone else is like, just because you
[1:20:09] Speaker 4: lingering at five, six, you okay?
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: No, you fucking trash too. Y'all are trash. But it's
[1:20:14] Speaker 1: a grade. You're grading.
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: Like if you get a, if this kid has been
[1:20:18] Speaker 3: getting D's and he's been doing this and then he
[1:20:21] Speaker 3: comes in and has a C, you got to give
[1:20:25] Speaker 3: him a C.
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: You just can't say, nah, you're trash. Yeah, we just
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: give him. You got to give him his actual grade.
[1:20:30] Speaker 1: The grade is a T. Like, Like, if I'm grading OKT.
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: What's a T for? Sorry, man. T for trash. T
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: for trash. That's the grade you get. Like, if I'm grading,
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: I'm going to go. You're officially giving the Lakers a T.
[1:20:43] Speaker 1: A T. A T on the schedule.
[1:20:45] Speaker 6: Like, because it's because LeBron James and he has LeBron
[1:20:48] Speaker 6: James is supposed to be his.
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: But still, if you can't. That's what he.
[1:20:51] Speaker 3: You can't say this team sucks and they're going to
[1:20:54] Speaker 3: finish 10th.
[1:20:55] Speaker 1: And then they're at six, and then you still call
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: them trash. But we're not saying anything about their record.
[1:21:00] Speaker 1: You are. You're bringing that in to try to give
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: yourself an argument. I'm saying they're trash. Fuck their record.
[1:21:07] Speaker 1: Fuck their record. They're trash. Then you're invalid. I can
[1:21:13] Speaker 1: bring up the film to show you they're trash. I
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: can show you play by play. Look how trash they are.
[1:21:20] Speaker 1: They're rotations. They're sprint backs. They're double downs.
[1:21:25] Speaker 4: Oh, you throw the ball alive and you catch a
[1:21:27] Speaker 4: dunk against the Wizards.
[1:21:28] Speaker 1: One of the worst teams in the league defensively. Still
[1:21:31] Speaker 1: top 30 in the NBA. My record is my record.
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: Come on, man. Y'all need to get out of here.
[1:21:34] Speaker 1: You can call me what you want. He get a rebound.
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: Look at JJ. Take me out. I got my triple doubles.
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: It's like calling Westbrook overrated when he averaged a triple-double.
[1:21:46] Speaker 1: That's not the same. That it is. No, it ain't.
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: He got voted overrated.
[1:21:51] Speaker 4: Saying Westbrook is overrated is like saying the Lakers are
[1:21:54] Speaker 4: not trash.
[1:21:55] Speaker 1: But they... But someone voted it. There's a bunch of
[1:21:58] Speaker 1: NBA players. No one's voting if the Lakers are trash.
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: We're watching it on TV. They're trash.
[1:22:02] Speaker 3: Like your thought process that the people seen his stats,
[1:22:07] Speaker 3: he's averaging triple-double, and they decided to call it over here.
[1:22:10] Speaker 1: He's an overrated player with a triple-double.
[1:22:13] Speaker 3: You're saying this is where they're supposed to be, but
[1:22:15] Speaker 3: they're here, but you want to call them trash anyway
[1:22:17] Speaker 3: because you.
[1:22:17] Speaker 1: Don't like them. No, I'm not saying that at all.
[1:22:19] Speaker 6: I'm not saying that they need to be there. They
[1:22:22] Speaker 6: could be in fifth or sixth.
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: They could be in third. He's going to say trash.
[1:22:26] Speaker 1: They could be one. He's going to say trash. He's
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: not listening to you, Brandon. He's not listening. Talk to him.
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: It don't matter where they are. He's saying trash. So
[1:22:32] Speaker 1: you can't trust his opinion. He said once the playoffs come,
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: he said it don't matter. We're talking about right. We
[1:22:37] Speaker 1: don't care where they're going to be and what they're
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: going to do right now. They're in six with this
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: team and they still playing trash. You're in six and
[1:22:46] Speaker 1: you think it's good. And I'm telling you, everyone else
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: is watching like the Lakers are fucking trash. Charles Barkley
[1:22:52] Speaker 1: say it every time. Man, the Lakers stink. Oh, because
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: we as basketball players are watching it. We're like, yo,
[1:23:01] Speaker 1: they are trash.
[1:23:02] Speaker 2: So, Gil, recently you said Lakers bottom shelf, but they
[1:23:04] Speaker 2: are top ten in the entire NBA right now based
[1:23:06] Speaker 2: on their record. Yeah.
[1:23:09] Speaker 1: Six in the West, top ten in the league. So
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: what grade did I give them? You gave them a
[1:23:14] Speaker 1: C +. C +. What the fuck is that? What
[1:23:16] Speaker 1: am I saying that's so weird? Nothing. You said C,
[1:23:18] Speaker 1: I said T. Houston.
[1:23:19] Speaker 4: You said C, I said T.
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: What's the problem? Houston, A, right? Where they were projected
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: to be, where they are, A + +. They got
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: an A +. OKC, regular A.
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: Memphis, A-. Denver, C-. Clippers, A +.
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: Lakers, C +. Dallas, D. Sacramento, D. Memphis, D. Phoenix, fail. Memphis, D?
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: I mean, Minnesota. Fair. OK. But that's how, it's a
[1:23:50] Speaker 1: real grade. Where we projected them to be, we projected...
[1:23:54] Speaker 1: So yours is real. Yours is real grades. Real grade, yeah,
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: it's not my opinion grade. It's a real grade on.
[1:24:00] Speaker 4: No, that's your opinion grade, bro. You just gave your
[1:24:03] Speaker 4: opinion and said it's not an opinion.
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: Where we projected these people to be and where they
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: are now. What? Like, you just made up a list
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: and said that's the list. Can you please tell us
[1:24:13] Speaker 1: where Rashad voted.
[1:24:16] Speaker 3: Where the teams is going to finish? And then I
[1:24:18] Speaker 3: want you to grade off of your original assessment.
[1:24:22] Speaker 7: So I was able to find it.
[1:24:23] Speaker 1: Okay, you found his assessment. So he just did top six. Okay,
[1:24:26] Speaker 1: top six. Now, you give us a grade off your
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: top six. Agreed to. Agreed to. Now, you please give
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: us a grade on.
[1:24:33] Speaker 5: Number one, we said Minnesota Timberwolves.
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: Okay, hold on. Minnesota Timberwolves won. They are nine. What
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: is their grade? Trash. What grade? T. Grade. Nigga, a T.
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: The last grade you can get. All right, don't worry
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: about it. That's F. Don't worry about it. Don't worry
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: about it. What's F? So F is trash. F. You
[1:24:54] Speaker 1: see how we don't play by his rules? He want
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: to quit. I just want a grade.
[1:24:56] Speaker 4: You see how we don't play by his rules? He
[1:24:58] Speaker 4: want to quit.
[1:24:59] Speaker 1: We're asking for a grade. Goddamn. We're asking for just
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: a grade. I gave you a grade.
[1:25:02] Speaker 4: That's my grade. It's a custom grade. It's called trash, nigga.
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: It's past F. So you use F. Say F. Okay, F. Okay,
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: next team. We are correlating. What's so hard? We are
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: coming to an agreement and conclusion. Come on.
[1:25:15] Speaker 7: Second, we had said OKC Thunder.
[1:25:17] Speaker 1: OK. So they're number one. So this is our grade.
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: B plus. So they were supposed to be two. They're one.
[1:25:29] Speaker 1: B plus. OK.
[1:25:31] Speaker 7: Third, Dallas Mavericks.
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: So Dallas Mavericks, supposed to be third. They're seventh. D. D.
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: Not trash. No. Denver.
[1:25:40] Speaker 7: Denver was number four.
[1:25:42] Speaker 1: And they're four. Luka's been hurt. That's fair. Vandal's been hurt.
[1:25:47] Speaker 1: Denver's four, and they are four. Yeah. So what are
[1:25:50] Speaker 1: they then? He's great. B plus. B plus.
[1:25:56] Speaker 7: Number five, Phoenix Suns.
[1:25:58] Speaker 1: Five Phoenix Suns, but they're 10th. Trash. Okay, so that's
[1:26:01] Speaker 1: an F.
[1:26:04] Speaker 7: And six, Sacramento Kings.
[1:26:06] Speaker 1: Six is Sacramento Kings, but they're eighth. Trash. Trash. Trash.
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: But trash trending in the right direction. Yes. Recyclables, perhaps.
[1:26:14] Speaker 7: Lakers did not make that top six.
[1:26:20] Speaker 2: So, recyclables are next to the trash, but you can
[1:26:23] Speaker 2: reuse those.
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: But he still felt like they trashed. He don't see
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: that point. He don't see it. He just did all
[1:26:34] Speaker 1: of that shit to be like, I don't give a
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: fuck about what you just said. It don't matter. They trash.
[1:26:40] Speaker 1: Didn't I say that's his jaded opinion? No matter where
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: they were, we didn't even have him in the top six. Well,
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: they're six. They're trash. They're F. But Denver was four,
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: and they're four B +.
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think what we've learned here is that
[1:27:00] Speaker 2: maybe the Lakers aren't a C-plus. Perhaps they're in that B-range.
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: I gave them a C-plus. You are unbiased.
[1:27:07] Speaker 2: You have no allegiance or loyalty to any particular team?
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: I think it's more because LeBron James is on the team.
[1:27:12] Speaker 1: We know that. We do know that.
[1:27:15] Speaker 6: When you're known as the GOAT and you play for
[1:27:16] Speaker 6: the Los Angeles Lakers, the expectations of it.
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: What if you are a senior citizen? What's the record? 23-18. Hmm.
[1:27:22] Speaker 1: 23 wins. Very respectable. Top 10 in the NBA. Top 10.
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: In the whole entire league. Top 10. We didn't even
[1:27:39] Speaker 1: have him on the top 10 in the West. I
[1:27:42] Speaker 1: want to change my shit to the beat, but I
[1:27:46] Speaker 1: don't like the way JJ's been doing, Bronny James, at
[1:27:48] Speaker 1: the end of the game. I don't blame JJ.
[1:27:50] Speaker 2: I blame the rest of the unit that's out there
[1:27:52] Speaker 2: deliberately freezing Bronny out, running no.
[1:27:54] Speaker 1: Plays for him. It's like, do they not have the script?
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: Dogs that connect want to shoot too much. That's what
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like, where's the script at? Like, I don't...
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: Where's the privilege? Like, where's the fucking privilege here? Where
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: is the nepotism that we heard of?
[1:28:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, like, if I'm the big dog and I eat
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: and the puppy come on, he eat too.
[1:28:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought that was... Damn.
[1:28:18] Speaker 2: Mr. B, you did not give us a grade for
[1:28:20] Speaker 2: the Lakers. How would you grade the Lakers halfway through
[1:28:22] Speaker 2: the season?
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: D +.
[1:28:34] Speaker 3: Was Brandon on the couch when we had him out
[1:28:36] Speaker 3: of the top six?
[1:28:40] Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. If he wasn't, he co-signed in the
[1:28:42] Speaker 1: group chat. He was on the couch when we had him.
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: He was on the Easter conference day. Oh, okay, okay.
[1:28:48] Speaker 1: All right, so that's fair. He wasn't part of the shenanigans. Okay, okay.
[1:28:53] Speaker 2: Sean, I see you getting your energy correct. We asked
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: the chat, what grade do you give the Lakers so
[1:28:58] Speaker 2: far this season?
[1:28:59] Speaker 1: 3% said A. Okay, shout out to you guys. 16%
[1:29:02] Speaker 1: said B. 62% said C.
[1:29:07] Speaker 2: 19% said F. We only have four options. We excluded D.
[1:29:11] Speaker 2: If you're a D, you're a F. That's just what
[1:29:12] Speaker 2: it is.
[1:29:14] Speaker 1: Certain people just know what the movie, they've seen this
[1:29:16] Speaker 1: movie before. Like Detroit.
[1:29:18] Speaker 6: They've seen this movie before, so they just know how
[1:29:21] Speaker 6: it's going.
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: Giving the piss in the night. I'm giving Detroit piss
[1:29:24] Speaker 3: from how they played last year. They get an A.
[1:29:27] Speaker 3: They can win no more games, and they still have
[1:29:29] Speaker 3: more wins than last year, right?
[1:29:30] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:29:31] Speaker 2: Mr. B, or close, I mean, yeah, Mr. B, yeah,
[1:29:33] Speaker 2: they already did that. Mr. B, you said, we've seen
[1:29:36] Speaker 2: this movie before. What movie would you compare it to?
[1:29:39] Speaker 2: Soul Plane, perhaps? Whoa, that's a good movie.
[1:29:41] Speaker 1: This is like... Quality cinema. This is like... A little janky.
[1:29:46] Speaker 6: This is like Pac coaching up in Above the Rim.
[1:29:49] Speaker 6: And they sub in Thomas Shepard. And he come out
[1:29:52] Speaker 6: there with a thermal on. And we know what's going
[1:29:54] Speaker 6: to happen.
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No, no, yeah, they lose. The Lakers are
[1:29:57] Speaker 1: going to lose. Like we've seen this movie before. Like J.J.
[1:30:02] Speaker 1: Redick is pot. Call timeout. Stop the down screen. God damn.
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: He ain't on the team. He ain't on the team.
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: Stop the down screen. They keep running the same play.
[1:30:13] Speaker 1: He is now. He is now. He ain't been playing.
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: He's right here on the roster. Right here. He's right
[1:30:23] Speaker 1: here on the roster.
[1:30:25] Speaker 2: So we asked the chat, whose side are you on?
[1:30:29] Speaker 2: The options were Rashad, Lakers are trash. And the other
[1:30:33] Speaker 2: option were Gills, Lakers are a C +. 52% agree
[1:30:36] Speaker 2: with Rashad that the Lakers are trash.
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: Wow. Well, that's a contradiction. Hold on. Paulo. Wait, hold on, Paulo.
[1:30:47] Speaker 1: Before we do it. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.
[1:30:53] Speaker 3: So 52% said they're trash. Can you go back to
[1:30:57] Speaker 3: the last poll? Read the last poll again.
[1:31:00] Speaker 1: What grade do you give the Lakers so far this season? 3%
[1:31:03] Speaker 1: said A. 16% said B. 62% said C. Nineteen percent.
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: These motherfuckers are stupid. You just voted 62% C. So
[1:31:16] Speaker 1: how does he win? Because I just gave my monologue.
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: I just gave a great monologue. Did you not see
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: all those people voting for Kamala? And then they was like,
[1:31:25] Speaker 1: how the hell did Trump still win? Because I say
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: the right shit at the right time. And right when
[1:31:32] Speaker 1: the vote come in, Boom! And you say it, you
[1:31:35] Speaker 1: don't even have to mean it. They ain't gotta mean it!
[1:31:36] Speaker 1: Because my eggs are still expensive. Man, trash is trash, though.
[1:31:40] Speaker 1: When motherfuckers smell trash, they're like, that smell like trash. 52%. Like, man, we.
[1:31:45] Speaker 4: Did smell some trash before we voted.
[1:31:47] Speaker 1: We smelt the trash. Guess what we did? We made
[1:31:51] Speaker 1: a mistake. Just backwards T. We made a mistake. Like
[1:31:58] Speaker 1: if they voted, if 60% voted D, but they voted
[1:32:02] Speaker 1: the same answer. They pushed the wrong button. I feel
[1:32:06] Speaker 1: like the chat, they hold themselves to high educational standards.
[1:32:09] Speaker 1: Perhaps a C is in fact trash to them. He
[1:32:11] Speaker 1: can't take it. He can't beat me, man. He can't win.
[1:32:15] Speaker 1: He said trash is an F or D. And they voted.
[1:32:22] Speaker 1: You know our chat, not consistent. Because we're doing an
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: NBA ticket giveaway. Y'all know what it is. DMs. Y'all
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: got it. We're going to give it. Have they been
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: populating your DMs? They have been populating. Facts. A fact
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: is gone. It's gone. You got to have your point.
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: You got to have your point.
[1:32:41] Speaker 6: Your point got to be so strong to where it's
[1:32:44] Speaker 6: just like, you just look like you lying.
[1:32:46] Speaker 2: Shout out something I want to get your opinion on.
[1:32:48] Speaker 2: As our resident LeBron non-lover.
[1:32:51] Speaker 1: Non-what? Can I get a shot? He was the greatest.
[1:32:56] Speaker 1: He got him stressed out, man. He got him stressed
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: out over there. Can I have my Bible? I don't
[1:33:03] Speaker 1: even know why we go to college. This is crazy. See,
[1:33:06] Speaker 1: this is why. No, that is backwards, though. That is backwards.
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. They made a mistake, bro. 62%.
[1:33:13] Speaker 1: They made a mistake. All of them was like, we
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: pushed the wrong button.
[1:33:18] Speaker 3: It's like when the NBA, like, he won, like, defensive
[1:33:22] Speaker 3: player of the year, but he don't make first team.
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: He makes second team or third team. That's one of those.
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: It's just like, wait, what? About your thing about making
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: a mistake. Mm-hmm. You said Steve Kerr made a mistake yesterday? Mm-hmm.
[1:33:35] Speaker 4: He made a mistake in the Olympics. Mr. B, do
[1:33:38] Speaker 4: you have a thought on that? He said I was
[1:33:39] Speaker 4: an idiot.
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: I feel like an idiot when I did that. He
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: said because you made a mistake. Do you agree or disagree?
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: We know you were watching. You were very active in
[1:33:50] Speaker 1: the group chat. Also presented by underdog people. I don't
[1:33:53] Speaker 1: think he made a mistake because the decision is to,
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: I mean, the job is to go get the gold.
[1:34:00] Speaker 1: So in that situation, it's by any means necessary.
[1:34:02] Speaker 4: So he didn't make a bad decision or a mistake
[1:34:05] Speaker 4: because he got the mission done. I was going to
[1:34:08] Speaker 4: say that yesterday, but I like what we were talking about.
[1:34:10] Speaker 1: I figure I'll stay on my side. I was like, yeah,
[1:34:13] Speaker 1: I don't want to go there. That's going to end it.
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: Let's just keep it going. Quick question for you before
[1:34:19] Speaker 1: we move on.
[1:34:20] Speaker 2: This was the second time LeBron pulled up to watch
[1:34:22] Speaker 2: Ohio State win the national championship. He also attended the
[1:34:25] Speaker 2: game back in 2015 at Cowboy Stadium when he was
[1:34:28] Speaker 2: with the Cavs. So after Ohio State won the 2015 chip,
[1:34:31] Speaker 2: LeBron played in the game the very next day, put
[1:34:34] Speaker 2: up 33.7 rebounds, five dimes, and a loss to the Suns.
[1:34:37] Speaker 2: Any issue with LeBron attending the college football national championship
[1:34:40] Speaker 2: game in Atlanta on his off day?
[1:34:42] Speaker 1: Mm-mm. Okay, that's it? Not at all. Wait, in Atlanta,
[1:34:45] Speaker 1: and he had a game the next day at home?
[1:34:47] Speaker 1: So a loss to the Clippers Sunday. He was in
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: Atlanta on Monday, back in L.A. Tuesday to defeat the Wizards,
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: drop his triple-double. Second person, age 40 or over, to
[1:34:56] Speaker 1: do so. I mean, listen, I mean. Seasons don't mean nothing. Remember,
[1:35:00] Speaker 1: they trash. Yeah. At the end of the day, that's
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: what it comes to. If I want to fight Atlanta,
[1:35:04] Speaker 1: if I want to do it, it don't matter. It
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: don't matter. It don't matter. We ain't winning the championship anyway.
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: I'm just having a good time. Free tacos on me, man.
[1:35:13] Speaker 1: Delicious tacos. Taco Tuesday.
[1:35:15] Speaker 2: I've looked at LeBron's tacos on Taco Tuesday. Not my
[1:35:18] Speaker 2: cup of tacos. Not ones you can put ketchup on.
[1:35:20] Speaker 1: Damn. Hey, where's Chicago? I believe in the Midwest. In
[1:35:24] Speaker 1: the Midwest? Yes.
[1:35:26] Speaker 3: How far is Atlantic City from Chicago? How is Atlantic
[1:35:33] Speaker 3: City from New York?
[1:35:34] Speaker 1: Close. No. Driving? Why? We just got to assume this
[1:35:42] Speaker 1: person didn't drive, right? He's too famous to drive, so
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure.
[1:35:46] Speaker 3: Out when did what you did in your off day
[1:35:51] Speaker 3: become a big deal when we know.
[1:35:53] Speaker 1: People was flying... to casinos, come and drop a 55.
[1:35:59] Speaker 1: Fuck you. You know what I mean? Mike? Yeah. Playing
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: cards all night with his rivals. You know what I mean? Like,
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: what you're doing, it's your day off.
[1:36:05] Speaker 7: Atlantic City to Chicago, 13-hour drive.
[1:36:08] Speaker 1: Two-hour flight, I believe. Private. Just private.
[1:36:11] Speaker 5: And a two-hour drive from New York City.
[1:36:14] Speaker 1: It's your day off. Like, if....
[1:36:19] Speaker 3: If you're going to a spa, if you're going to
[1:36:20] Speaker 3: a club, you're resting at home, you're flying to a game,
[1:36:23] Speaker 3: you go watch a game at home, it's your day off.
[1:36:26] Speaker 1: As long as it doesn't affect your game play. Yeah. Right?
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: That's really our rule, right? That's all that matters. I mean,
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: he's 40, too. I mean, it don't matter. He's 40.
[1:36:34] Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it don't matter. They're not playing
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: for nothing, the Lakers. That's what I'm saying.
[1:36:39] Speaker 2: So technically, LeBron, four NBA championships, one in-season tournament championship,
[1:36:44] Speaker 2: two Ohio State football championships.
[1:36:46] Speaker 1: Shout out, Care Bear, Karen. Seven total championships. Mike was
[1:36:49] Speaker 1: doing that and was winning rings. I don't know if
[1:36:55] Speaker 1: you want to ring that. I mean, yes, you're correct.
[1:36:59] Speaker 1: Because I'm pretty sure it's not like he just did
[1:37:01] Speaker 1: it once. I'm sure he did it every year. Coming
[1:37:03] Speaker 1: from the casino right to Thane was happening. On a
[1:37:07] Speaker 1: golf course on game day. That's worse?
[1:37:10] Speaker 3: On a golf course on game day coming out 18
[1:37:12] Speaker 3: holes and then whooping your ass.
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: God damn. Close out of game five.
[1:37:17] Speaker 2: Or six, whatever. So now let's move this. I think
[1:37:19] Speaker 2: this will be an interesting discussion. I'm very curious to
[1:37:21] Speaker 2: hear your gentlemen's opinions. So Kevin Durant made an appearance
[1:37:24] Speaker 2: on the Out the Mud show with Z-Bo and Tony
[1:37:26] Speaker 2: Allen recently, was asked to give his top five.
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: Pure hoopers, and here was his list.
[1:37:32] Speaker 9: I'm going to leave out a lot of dudes, but
[1:37:35] Speaker 9: if I'm going to go five off top because you
[1:37:36] Speaker 9: just put me on the spot like that.
[1:37:38] Speaker 1: I'm going to go Kyrie at the one.
[1:37:46] Speaker 9: It's a debate between Kobe and MJ.
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: At my two.
[1:37:51] Speaker 9: And I know that you from Chicago, you.
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: Might want to hear that, MJ. I'm confused right now.
[1:37:59] Speaker 1: But pureness, Kobe, Kobe. Yeah. That three ball, he can handle.
[1:38:04] Speaker 1: He got the wiggle.
[1:38:05] Speaker 9: And he can do all the technical stuff that MJ
[1:38:07] Speaker 9: can do. So it's a toss-up. I'm going to go
[1:38:09] Speaker 9: Kobe at my two.
[1:38:11] Speaker 1: I dig that.
[1:38:12] Speaker 9: I'm going to go Melo at my three. No, I'm
[1:38:14] Speaker 9: going to go T-Mac. I'm going to go T-Mac. I'm
[1:38:16] Speaker 9: going to go T-Mac at my three.
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: T-Mac.
[1:38:19] Speaker 9: T-Mac at my three. I'm going to have to play
[1:38:21] Speaker 9: four since it's my team. Then I'm going to go
[1:38:24] Speaker 9: KG at the five.
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: I think KG underrated, man. KG too underrated. man. Shout
[1:38:32] Speaker 1: out KD.
[1:38:32] Speaker 2: Ankles looking more moisturized than normal when giving that top
[1:38:36] Speaker 2: five pure Hoopers list. So his list was Kyrie at
[1:38:39] Speaker 2: the one, Kobe at the two, T-Mac at the three,
[1:38:42] Speaker 2: himself at the four, KG at the five. What are
[1:38:46] Speaker 2: y'all thoughts on KD's top five? Pure Hooper's List. Yo,
[1:38:50] Speaker 2: who keeps untying your shoe?
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: Me. When I keep crossing, when I'm just doing what
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: I'm doing. But how.
[1:38:58] Speaker 6: This is a consistent trend on this show. You look
[1:39:00] Speaker 6: like a nigga in a wheelchair. Oh, his shoe's untied. Like,
[1:39:03] Speaker 6: what are you doing?
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: Why you got on shoes? Yeah, like, why is your
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: shoes untied? What have you been doing? Why they dirty? Yeah, like,
[1:39:11] Speaker 1: what the fuck? You should have... Stop! He been sitting
[1:39:15] Speaker 1: here and... Shoes... Like, what you doing? You doing a
[1:39:23] Speaker 1: titty roll? You doing a titty roll?
[1:39:26] Speaker 3: No, what's so funny is every time I see somebody
[1:39:27] Speaker 3: in a wheelchair, the first thing you got to look
[1:39:29] Speaker 3: at is their shoes. I want to see if their
[1:39:31] Speaker 3: shoes dirty.
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: Like, man, if you don't give Gil some straps. I
[1:39:35] Speaker 1: want to see if their shoes dirty, though. Like, what
[1:39:36] Speaker 1: you got scars for on your shoes? Are they just
[1:39:39] Speaker 1: dragging you? Like, what the fuck is going on here?
[1:39:42] Speaker 1: This is... You got them white Timbs and they all dirty.
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: That don't make sense, man. Just... All your ones look
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: like you've been playing in dirt. It's just... Ball up.
[1:39:57] Speaker 1: Ball up top. Check up, man. Check up ball. You
[1:40:01] Speaker 1: panhandling on the side? What are you really doing, man? Crazy.
[1:40:05] Speaker 1: Check up, man. Check up. Back to KD's pure hooper list.
[1:40:11] Speaker 2: Kyrie at the one, Kobe at the two, T-Mac at
[1:40:13] Speaker 2: the three, himself at the four, KG at the five.
[1:40:16] Speaker 2: Are you guys rolling with KD's pure hooper list?
[1:40:19] Speaker 1: I like it. It's his list, yeah. It's his list.
[1:40:24] Speaker 1: It's his list? It's his list.
[1:40:26] Speaker 2: Well, I have three gentlemen who play basketball at a
[1:40:28] Speaker 2: high level. I want to know, who is your list
[1:40:32] Speaker 2: of top five pure hoopers, Mr. B? These are just
[1:40:35] Speaker 2: people that you've seen. You have to go all throughout
[1:40:37] Speaker 2: the course of history. Like, you don't got to throw
[1:40:38] Speaker 2: Bob Cousy on there.
[1:40:39] Speaker 6: Just picking up a ball and just being, like, Mike Beasley,
[1:40:43] Speaker 6: Jordan Crawford, Jamal Crawford, um, I mean, yeah, I mean,
[1:40:54] Speaker 6: you got, you know, all.
[1:40:55] Speaker 1: The players that he said, too. That's fair. You got
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: two more. Pure hoopers. I mean, Kobe. Or. I'm going
[1:41:12] Speaker 1: to go KD. And that's just like just watching, like
[1:41:17] Speaker 1: just picking up a ball and just going. Hmm. Go ahead. Me.
[1:41:24] Speaker 1: We'll go over to Cemetery Larry first. Gil, this is
[1:41:26] Speaker 1: your show. Gil's Reader presented by Underdog Woop Woop. I'm
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: going to put Allen Iverson over Kyrie. Okay. And I'll
[1:41:40] Speaker 1: keep the list the same. So you would have Allen Iverson, Kobe, T-Mac, KD, KG.
[1:41:45] Speaker 1: Pure Hooper. That's Pure Hooper. I like that list a lot.
[1:41:49] Speaker 1: Not stepped on. Pure. I like that list a lot.
[1:41:54] Speaker 1: I'm going to go just Pistol Pete. Shout out Homework Basketball.
[1:42:05] Speaker 1: I'm going to go at the two, I'm going to
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: go Colb. Three, James Harden. Four, KD. At the five,
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: I'm going to have Dream. Who? Dream, Hakeem Ozzman. Because
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: I think he just went by, like, position, so I'm
[1:42:27] Speaker 1: going to just... It came pure Hooper. Should I see
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: you twirling your spiked bat? Mm-hmm. I didn't hear a
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: certain name on that list. Did not either. It's weird.
[1:42:47] Speaker 1: On whose list? His? Anybody's. Everybody's. What name did you
[1:42:53] Speaker 1: not hear? The greatest of all time. You think Michael
[1:42:58] Speaker 1: Jordan was a pure hooper? I didn't hear them say
[1:42:59] Speaker 1: LeBron either. I don't know. Huh? You didn't hear it either?
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: We didn't hear LeBron name mentioned in the pure hooper.
[1:43:05] Speaker 1: I was going to say LeBron. You didn't hear LeBron
[1:43:07] Speaker 1: or Jordan? No. Hey, we just here. Like just throwing out.
[1:43:12] Speaker 1: Everybody had who? Everybody had who? Everybody said who? Kobe.
[1:43:17] Speaker 1: Who was left off and everybody said who? Kobe. And
[1:43:20] Speaker 1: then one man said, ah, toss up, but I'm going
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: to take this guy. He got that ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
[1:43:30] Speaker 1: He did essentially say that ding, ding, ding, ding. There's
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: a lot of pure hoopers, but.
[1:43:33] Speaker 4: There's only one that make everybody list.
[1:43:38] Speaker 1: At the same position. I'm going to take that dog.
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: Take him.
[1:43:44] Speaker 6: So you think since high school, Michael Jordan was pure, like,
[1:43:47] Speaker 6: just raw?
[1:43:48] Speaker 1: He got cut. He did get cut. Kobe Ryan was.
[1:43:53] Speaker 1: When they taped that list on the wall, his name
[1:43:55] Speaker 1: was not on it.
[1:43:58] Speaker 3: Like Hooper in basketball is very different. I mean, like
[1:44:01] Speaker 3: nobody's going to say Tim Duncan was like, you.
[1:44:04] Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
[1:44:05] Speaker 6: I would have said skip to my, like, skip to
[1:44:07] Speaker 6: my Lou. I mean, we're just talking about like just
[1:44:10] Speaker 6: pure picking up a ball, like from streetball to the
[1:44:13] Speaker 6: NBA to the final. Talking about just picking up a ball.
[1:44:18] Speaker 6: I'll tell you, like just guys that's just rolling out.
[1:44:20] Speaker 1: Like Mood. Why wouldn't you pick LeBron? He's a basketball player.
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: For me, he's a basketball player. Five-on-five, strategic type of player. Like,
[1:44:34] Speaker 1: we're talking about pure hoop. We're talking about one-on-one. Just one-on-one,
[1:44:37] Speaker 1: just go out there and, like, no matter, structure, no structure,
[1:44:40] Speaker 1: they're going to get it done. Yeah. Well, I think
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: LeBron's a more structured player. He's a structured player. Than just, like... Like,
[1:44:50] Speaker 1: please don't get any blubber here, sir. Like, I think
[1:44:54] Speaker 1: Mike is a structured player. Michael Jordan in the system.
[1:44:59] Speaker 1: So you think all the players that KD named are
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: all true hoopers? Yeah. Pure hoopers, all the players they named?
[1:45:06] Speaker 1: Pure hoopers? Yeah.
[1:45:07] Speaker 6: Yeah, I've seen Kobe without a system and just go
[1:45:09] Speaker 6: for four.
[1:45:10] Speaker 1: Like, don't matter. Like, go get it. Even KG.
[1:45:13] Speaker 3: Like, we've seen KG when he plays one-on-one and he's
[1:45:18] Speaker 3: playing pickup basketball.
[1:45:19] Speaker 1: Like, he's a hooper. Oh, yeah, the USA. No, he's
[1:45:21] Speaker 1: a hooper. Like, so, yeah, everybody knows that.
[1:45:24] Speaker 4: Out of all those pure hoopers, which one of them
[1:45:26] Speaker 4: or how many of them are actually basketball.
[1:45:28] Speaker 1: Players, too? From KD's list? Mm-hmm. So it was Kyrie, Kobe, T-Mac, KD, KG,
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: just for reference. Uh-oh. Shit. Shit. Kyrie's a basketball player? Shit.
[1:45:40] Speaker 6: Kobe Bryant's a basketball player?
[1:45:45] Speaker 1: T-Mac, basketball player as well? Yeah. T-Mac's raw. He's just
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: raw to me. Yeah, he might be the only one that's... Yeah,
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: he might be the only one that's just like raw. Who?
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: T-Mac in that list. Like, are they basketball players because
[1:46:03] Speaker 1: they won? No. Or they know how to be.
[1:46:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, they know how to be basketball players if they.
[1:46:09] Speaker 1: Need to be. Then I would say all of them, then.
[1:46:14] Speaker 1: I'd say not T-Mac. So, the chatter suggested Melo. He hasn't.
[1:46:19] Speaker 3: Nah, because when Melo had to be structured and put into.
[1:46:21] Speaker 1: He couldn't do it, yeah.
[1:46:22] Speaker 3: Nah, when he got put into USA Basketball and had
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: to structure his game, he simplified his game and became
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: the leading scorer every year, so.
[1:46:30] Speaker 2: But as a pure hooper, would you consider Melo to be...
[1:46:32] Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: Hell yeah. One of the definitions. I mean, your five
[1:46:37] Speaker 1: can be whatever. It's just what you feel. Your five
[1:46:39] Speaker 1: is your five. Like who you've seen. Want to give
[1:46:43] Speaker 1: the chat some love. They are participating in the conversation.
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: I ain't putting Mike in that. Got cut as a JV.
[1:46:49] Speaker 1: It ain't good enough. Wait your turn.
[1:46:52] Speaker 6: Wait your fucking turn.
[1:46:55] Speaker 1: Wait your fucking turn. I mean, you are great, but
[1:46:59] Speaker 1: watch out. Go play baseball. Watch out. This ain't it.
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: This ain't it. Boy, was he wrong. Go work out.
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: Go work out. You saw space. MJ. MJ. Getting cut
[1:47:15] Speaker 1: from JV.
[1:47:15] Speaker 2: But he did come back several years later and help
[1:47:17] Speaker 2: Kane overcome that same situation.
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: Will Steve Nash be considered a hooper? A pure hooper? Yeah.
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: In Canada, assuredly. Would he be considered a hooper? Nah,
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: Jason Williams.
[1:47:31] Speaker 3: I was going to pick him. I was thinking about
[1:47:33] Speaker 3: Jason Williams. But you don't think Steve, like, how he
[1:47:36] Speaker 3: played the game?
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: I don't count European players as pure hoopers.
[1:47:40] Speaker 6: Because right from the jump, they're just fundamentals.
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: That's what he's saying.
[1:47:47] Speaker 3: I mean, will Shea be a peer hooper, though?
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: Shea? Yeah. He's from Canada? No, his game, not his country.
[1:47:54] Speaker 1: Will his game be considered peer hooper? Because you was
[1:47:57] Speaker 1: ready to, like, you was just about to throw it
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: over there anyway. No, but, like, how he plays the game,
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: will he be put in a peer hooper? I think basketball,
[1:48:04] Speaker 1: because I would compare him to Ja. When you say Ja.
[1:48:08] Speaker 4: pure Hooper, how he go out there and do shit
[1:48:11] Speaker 4: from the park in the game.
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: Shea's more structured. That's all.
[1:48:15] Speaker 4: That's cone work Shea be doing.
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:48:17] Speaker 4: Shea do cone work out there. He's coning them. Oh,
[1:48:20] Speaker 4: come here.
[1:48:21] Speaker 1: Like, John and D. Rose is more like pure Hooper. Yeah, pure. Like,
[1:48:24] Speaker 1: just the ability to... Okay, how about Luka then? No,
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: that's basketball. That's basketball shit. Europeans aren't pure hoopers to me.
[1:48:33] Speaker 1: They got to work on it. You're going to get
[1:48:35] Speaker 1: in the gym, two hours, work on this shit. Fundamentals.
[1:48:39] Speaker 1: Stay there. Pass like this. Two minutes. No play. Ginobili.
[1:48:47] Speaker 1: Because he... At first. At first. Where's the phone? He
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: came in pure. I was going to say, do you think....
[1:48:59] Speaker 3: I don't know if the system stole him or they
[1:49:02] Speaker 3: just created space because of what he did.
[1:49:04] Speaker 4: I think when he first came in, when he had
[1:49:06] Speaker 4: the hair, the hair Ginobili.
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: He was doing shit. He was doing, he was pure.
[1:49:10] Speaker 1: I'll be forgetting about the hair Ginobili. The hair Ginobili
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: was good. God damn.
[1:49:13] Speaker 6: Yeah, but where is it taught though? Like where is
[1:49:16] Speaker 6: it taught at a young age? That's why I said
[1:49:17] Speaker 6: their teaching is different from us. Us, we got to
[1:49:20] Speaker 6: roll out the ball. All right, we're going to see
[1:49:21] Speaker 6: who's good. Like they right from the jump.
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: But like even like Patty Mills, wouldn't he be considered
[1:49:25] Speaker 1: a hooper? Like, Patty Mews. That was like a few.
[1:49:28] Speaker 1: He's a shooter. He's like Eddie House. He's like Eddie House, bro.
[1:49:32] Speaker 1: Drozdik Petrovich. Petrovich? Yeah, he a hooper. Yeah, that's a him,
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: that Ginobili. They're fundamental hoopers.
[1:49:42] Speaker 3: There's somebody else.
[1:49:46] Speaker 4: You comparing them to a guy like Jason Williams, looking
[1:49:50] Speaker 4: at J.
[1:49:50] Speaker 1: Will, White Chocolate, that's pure. Behind the back, the shit
[1:49:54] Speaker 1: he was trying. Short? Short. No.
[1:49:59] Speaker 3: He's a basketball player.
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: He wouldn't dare go out of his element to try
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: to be a hooper. It's uncomfortable. It's not a bad thing.
[1:50:07] Speaker 4: It's just it feels weird because you're like, it's not basketball.
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: See, as much as we want to say Giannis, he's
[1:50:13] Speaker 1: one of those just like, ah. Manufacturer. I think Europeans,
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: I think they're fundamental hoopers. Dame? I think fundamental hoopers. Dame?
[1:50:24] Speaker 1: Dame's a hooper. C.J. McCullough, yeah. No, C.J. McCullough is
[1:50:29] Speaker 1: a basketball player. A fundamental hooper. He's definitely like your view.
[1:50:34] Speaker 3: You got fundamental hoopers and then hoopers.
[1:50:37] Speaker 1: Yeah. Bradley Beal and Booker. Booker is a fundamental hooper. Fundamental.
[1:50:43] Speaker 4: They can hoop. But you wouldn't just say they're hoopers.
[1:50:46] Speaker 4: You'd just be like, no, they know how to play
[1:50:47] Speaker 4: the game.
[1:50:48] Speaker 1: LaMelo. That's just Hooper. Hooper. Okay, all right, all right. Nah,
[1:50:53] Speaker 1: he needs a whole nother tier level of Hooper, like
[1:50:56] Speaker 1: extreme Hooper. Yeah, he's a Hooper. He's an extreme Hooper. Jeez,
[1:51:03] Speaker 1: that boy. He's such a level up. We need to
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: think about him. For real. We got to think about
[1:51:08] Speaker 1: the shit he tries in the game. He like Pistol Pete.
[1:51:10] Speaker 1: That motherfucker out there. He like Pistol Pete. Yeah, he
[1:51:12] Speaker 1: like Pistol Pete. If Pistol Pete was here today, with
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: the three longs. You know what's up? Pistol Pete, LaMelo.
[1:51:18] Speaker 3: And Jason Williams are in that category of, like, yeah.
[1:51:22] Speaker 1: Y'all know some different shit. Y'all know some shit. The rest,
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: everybody else don't even think about this. We gonna get subbed.
[1:51:30] Speaker 1: He said, boop.
[1:51:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, like, you played for your daddy your whole life.
[1:51:34] Speaker 1: You just had the freedom. You didn't play for nobody.
[1:51:39] Speaker 4: Else because the shit you sit here trying, motherfucker.
[1:51:42] Speaker 1: Throw it off in the middle of an NBA game.
[1:51:45] Speaker 1: Throw it off the backboard, pass, catch it like, oh, wow.
[1:51:47] Speaker 1: A little Coco like that. A little Coco out here.
[1:51:49] Speaker 1: I'm just going to ask this guy. I saw the
[1:51:51] Speaker 1: clip trending recently. Arvidas Sabonis.
[1:51:52] Speaker 2: I know y'all saw the clip recently on Twitter of
[1:51:54] Speaker 2: him throwing the pass and posing. He's been making his rounds.
[1:51:57] Speaker 1: Sabonis. Arvidas. Hooper. Arvidas. Hooper. Arvidas came in the league hooping.
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: He got old, though. Yeah. In the Soviet block. Yeah.
[1:52:11] Speaker 1: But nonetheless. All right, well.
[1:52:12] Speaker 2: Appreciate our discussion. Let's keep this thing moving. We've got
[1:52:15] Speaker 2: one more thing we want to talk about before we
[1:52:16] Speaker 2: get to most defense. So Kay Cunningham, Jalen Green were
[1:52:19] Speaker 2: the top two picks in the 2021 NBA draft, but
[1:52:22] Speaker 2: their basketball rivalry dates back to high school when the
[1:52:24] Speaker 2: pair were constantly pitted against each other in rankings and
[1:52:27] Speaker 2: AAU tournaments and all of the like. They've also both
[1:52:30] Speaker 2: had some memorable moments this season in their two meetings
[1:52:33] Speaker 2: against each other. So let's take it back to November.
[1:52:38] Speaker 2: You may remember this play. Jalen Green came through.
[1:52:43] Speaker 1: Oh, boy. Yelled in his face. He did it.
[1:52:48] Speaker 2: Ended up getting a tech. Then got into it with B-Stew.
[1:52:53] Speaker 2: But shout out Kay Cunningham, you know. Tried to defend
[1:52:56] Speaker 2: the hoop.
[1:52:57] Speaker 1: Who got a tech?
[1:52:58] Speaker 2: Jalen Green got a tech after this play. I think
[1:53:00] Speaker 2: he got into it with B-Stew afterwards. But let's fast
[1:53:02] Speaker 2: forward to MLK Day. A little black on black crime.
[1:53:07] Speaker 2: He proceeded to tell them it was on all UM efforts.
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: Let's watch it. Another look.
[1:53:14] Speaker 2: Kade got his get back. Pistons got the win to
[1:53:18] Speaker 2: improve the 22-21 season. So, Kade made an appearance on
[1:53:22] Speaker 2: Inside the NBA Tuesday where Adam Lefkoe, shout out my
[1:53:25] Speaker 2: guy Lefkoe, asked him about the rivalry with Jalen Green.
[1:53:28] Speaker 2: Cunningham offered these thoughts saying, quote, it's exactly that. We
[1:53:33] Speaker 2: want to compete against each other. They've always put us
[1:53:35] Speaker 2: up against each other since high school as far as
[1:53:38] Speaker 2: who is better. And I think we both kind of
[1:53:39] Speaker 2: enjoy to be able to head up against each other
[1:53:42] Speaker 2: and see who's the best. So, That was the quote part.
[1:53:45] Speaker 2: There was music on it. Couldn't run that part of
[1:53:47] Speaker 2: the video. But Cade also had this to say.
[1:53:51] Speaker 1: No handshakes before the game. Nothing like that. I don't
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: think we need any of that. We both kind of
[1:53:56] Speaker 1: know what it is. That was the corporate answer. You know.
[1:54:01] Speaker 1: I know what you mean. But it's refreshing. I speak
[1:54:05] Speaker 1: your language, brother. So it's good to see two young
[1:54:09] Speaker 1: players with a robbery on the court. Nothing malicious. by
[1:54:15] Speaker 1: a coach with a light-skinned type of rivalry.
[1:54:17] Speaker 2: You know, no fisticuffs, but they talking shit to each other,
[1:54:20] Speaker 2: going at each other and trying to hoop.
[1:54:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think this is good for the league.
[1:54:26] Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you got KD, you got Stafford,
[1:54:29] Speaker 6: you got Braun, you know, the three of the best,
[1:54:32] Speaker 6: greatest ever to play, you know, in an era, in
[1:54:36] Speaker 6: an era. Like, we have the greatest three to ever
[1:54:39] Speaker 6: play in an era, getting ready to retire. So, you know,
[1:54:42] Speaker 6: the league needs something new. So new rivals are dope.
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:54:47] Speaker 4: Both of those guys are really good, but I think
[1:54:49] Speaker 4: that Cade Cunningham is the future. I think no one
[1:54:54] Speaker 4: can see it right now because it's in Detroit, and
[1:54:58] Speaker 4: that's the bad part about being in a place like that.
[1:55:01] Speaker 1: You know, SGA had to deal with it, and he rebuilt.
[1:55:04] Speaker 4: As he got comfortable, he started learning how to do
[1:55:07] Speaker 4: that leadership thing, and I think with Cade, he's been
[1:55:10] Speaker 4: there long enough now to really see that he could
[1:55:14] Speaker 4: take the team to the next level, if he gets
[1:55:16] Speaker 4: some more pieces that are more veteran-savvy type shit. And
[1:55:21] Speaker 4: I think him and Jalen Green are going to be
[1:55:23] Speaker 4: the future of the league. I mean, you look at
[1:55:25] Speaker 4: who we got to choose from between Tatum Brown, Jalen Green.
[1:55:30] Speaker 1: Luka. Luka, you know, Wimby. Ant-Man. Ant-Man. You know, the
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: future is bright when it comes to talent. You know
[1:55:38] Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
[1:55:39] Speaker 4: But I think Cade is one of those guys that
[1:55:41] Speaker 4: has the structure to kind of make basketball what we
[1:55:44] Speaker 4: know it to be. Play it the right way, go
[1:55:46] Speaker 4: get it the right way, and still have grit and competitiveness.
[1:55:51] Speaker 6: Yeah, well, that's why he's in Detroit. I think where
[1:55:52] Speaker 6: he's at in Detroit is fine. I mean, they have
[1:55:54] Speaker 6: winning culture. Like, you know, they got some banners up there,
[1:55:58] Speaker 6: you know.
[1:55:58] Speaker 1: He's doing some rebuilding. Yeah, they got a young core.
[1:56:00] Speaker 6: It just, like, depends on if they stay together. Like
[1:56:03] Speaker 6: you said, a lot of teams are just trying to
[1:56:05] Speaker 6: win now. What is the win now? If they're going
[1:56:07] Speaker 6: to stay together, they're going to keep building and adding pieces.
[1:56:12] Speaker 6: Because he is a player that you do want to
[1:56:15] Speaker 6: play with because he does pass the ball.
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: He does pass the ball. So Cade, 23 years old.
[1:56:19] Speaker 1: Jalen Green, 22, will turn 23 in February. Still young.
[1:56:24] Speaker 1: I'll give you their head-to-head.
[1:56:25] Speaker 2: They're 2-2 in their four meetings against each other. In
[1:56:28] Speaker 2: those meetings, Cade is averaging 21.7 assists, 6 rebounds. Jalen
[1:56:32] Speaker 2: Green averaging 20 points, five rebounds, also still per game. So, Gil,
[1:56:36] Speaker 2: what do you think about this young burgeoning, not even
[1:56:39] Speaker 2: say burgeoning, but this young rivalry with Kay Cunningham, Jalen Green,
[1:56:44] Speaker 2: as it continues to mature in the NBA?
[1:56:47] Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they're both living up to,
[1:56:50] Speaker 3: you know, the debate who was better in high school,
[1:56:54] Speaker 3: who was better coming into the draft, one, two, right?
[1:56:58] Speaker 3: I think right now both of them are just very
[1:57:01] Speaker 3: different at what they do.
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: One is a highlight reel.
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: One is a, you know, solid player who knows how
[1:57:09] Speaker 3: to get it done. So, how they play and approach
[1:57:15] Speaker 3: the game every year is going to go down to
[1:57:18] Speaker 3: when these guys retire.
[1:57:20] Speaker 1: I think that's one of these type of matchups that,
[1:57:22] Speaker 1: you know, they're going to compete.
[1:57:25] Speaker 3: They're going to keep pushing the limit, winning, non-winning. And
[1:57:31] Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to see I don't think
[1:57:33] Speaker 3: we're going to see who wins this race between these
[1:57:38] Speaker 3: two until the end. And I think that's a good
[1:57:41] Speaker 3: thing because they get to both go into the summer thinking,
[1:57:44] Speaker 3: who's better? Kind of like Magic and Bird did back then.
[1:57:48] Speaker 3: I think that's one of these rivalries that they're going
[1:57:53] Speaker 3: to always self-check each other because the other one's going
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: to be doing something.
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: So Rock is currently second in the West. Pistons....
[1:58:01] Speaker 2: Seventh in the Eastern Conference right now. I think of
[1:58:04] Speaker 2: those two teams, we would have been less expecting the
[1:58:07] Speaker 2: Pistons to be performing so well just based on previous seasons.
[1:58:12] Speaker 1: Both? Both. Both? They've been in the same position for
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: so long. Rockets have a better team, right?
[1:58:19] Speaker 3: They have a better team because they got Sangoon.
[1:58:22] Speaker 1: They got... I don't know, man. Better than Durden, Jalen,
[1:58:26] Speaker 1: and they got Stewart. But is anybody better than Sangoon
[1:58:30] Speaker 1: on that team? I think when you're talking about being
[1:58:32] Speaker 1: able to sustain Sangoon, I think Stewart and them, they
[1:58:37] Speaker 1: can isolate.
[1:58:38] Speaker 3: No, no, I'm just talking about just the talent.
[1:58:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, talent matchup. I think that talent is the offense
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: versus defense.
[1:58:44] Speaker 4: I think it's like Ben Wallace against somebody like Shaq.
[1:58:48] Speaker 4: Ben Wallace versus Shaq. It's like, okay, we're going to
[1:58:50] Speaker 4: have to isolate this. Now who else we got on
[1:58:52] Speaker 4: that team that don't match up with the business?
[1:58:55] Speaker 3: I'm just saying Jalen Green's team is better. So his
[1:58:58] Speaker 3: numbers are going to be down. You got Cade, who
[1:59:00] Speaker 3: team is developing. So he has to produce more numbers, right?
[1:59:05] Speaker 1: So it's like they're here where they're projected. So both teams.
[1:59:12] Speaker 3: Is better than what anybody expected. So they're both doing
[1:59:15] Speaker 3: their damn job, right? You can't say Cade is not
[1:59:19] Speaker 3: pushing his team up.
[1:59:21] Speaker 1: He is.
[1:59:22] Speaker 3: We've seen what they did last year. We see where
[1:59:24] Speaker 3: they are now. We see Houston where they were last year.
[1:59:27] Speaker 3: They came on at the end, almost made the playoffs,
[1:59:30] Speaker 3: so they continue that, and we see where they are.
[1:59:32] Speaker 3: So both are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing.
[1:59:37] Speaker 1: Both got it back. Obviously, different circumstances. Yo, question.
[1:59:40] Speaker 6: So out of all these young'uns that are coming up, right,
[1:59:43] Speaker 6: who peaks first?
[1:59:46] Speaker 1: Out of all these young'uns that are coming up. From that? Yeah,
[1:59:48] Speaker 1: from that crew, from... from the Anthony Edwards, from the Tatums,
[1:59:52] Speaker 1: from the Browns, from the Jalen Green. The Tatum men,
[1:59:54] Speaker 1: they're peaking already, so they're a little bit older.
[1:59:58] Speaker 3: So they can't get better. I mean, they're in the peak.
[2:00:01] Speaker 3: These other ones are still trying to learn.
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: Ant 23, Jalen Green 22, I believe, K 23. They're
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: all in that 23 range, though. I think Anthony Edwards
[2:00:09] Speaker 1: might be in trouble. Facts. We asked this question, I believe,
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: last week. I think because... If they're all the same age? No, because...
[2:00:18] Speaker 1: They're all the same age, so you're going to take.
[2:00:21] Speaker 3: Remember, Anthony Edwards is only 23, so you're putting him
[2:00:24] Speaker 3: in front of.
[2:00:24] Speaker 4: We had this convo, the NK convo last week. Shout
[2:00:27] Speaker 4: out Nate Jones. Listen, it's different, bro. It's different right now.
[2:00:31] Speaker 6: Listen, with these youngins coming up, I think he's going
[2:00:33] Speaker 6: to get lost in the sauce.
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: He is the youngin'. He's just been in the league longer.
[2:00:37] Speaker 6: No, I'm saying I think he's about to peak in
[2:00:39] Speaker 6: the next one or two years.
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: It ain't going to look like y'all think.
[2:00:45] Speaker 2: With all the other young... Ant-Man's going to peak in
[2:00:46] Speaker 2: the next one or two years.
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: It's not going to look... I mean, listen, with the...
[2:00:51] Speaker 1: I mean, I think that trade hurt him. It did.
[2:00:57] Speaker 3: If he was on a bad team, he would be
[2:00:59] Speaker 3: right in the same position as them. He's fortunate to
[2:01:02] Speaker 3: just have a good team. But at 23, he's already
[2:01:05] Speaker 3: a two-time All-Star in all NBA playoffs.
[2:01:07] Speaker 1: So he's far in front of these guys.
[2:01:09] Speaker 4: What it does is it saves him. Playing on a
[2:01:12] Speaker 4: good team saves him from making all those nasty mistakes
[2:01:15] Speaker 4: that we see Jalen Green was making. See how nasty
[2:01:18] Speaker 4: it looked in Detroit because on the team, they get
[2:01:21] Speaker 4: to make mistakes. When you on a good team, you
[2:01:24] Speaker 4: can make mistakes, but y'all still good because y'all a
[2:01:26] Speaker 4: good team. You can make up for your mistakes. I
[2:01:28] Speaker 4: can make up for your mistakes. But when you playing
[2:01:31] Speaker 4: by yourself and Edwards, you got to go out here
[2:01:33] Speaker 4: and take them bad shots on top of the ones
[2:01:35] Speaker 4: you already take on your good team. More of them,
[2:01:38] Speaker 4: and you don't get the ball back type shit, you
[2:01:40] Speaker 4: could probably average 26, 27.
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's going to look nasty.
[2:01:45] Speaker 4: And you're going to end up putting your team in
[2:01:46] Speaker 4: a position that Houston was in, trying to rebuild, and
[2:01:50] Speaker 4: it's going to look bad?
[2:01:51] Speaker 1: I just think it's quiet over there. So a question
[2:01:53] Speaker 1: for you guys.
[2:01:54] Speaker 2: In your opinion, and obviously there's no right answer, but
[2:01:56] Speaker 2: what's a better situation for a young player to develop in?
[2:01:58] Speaker 2: We saw Cade have to take his lumps early on,
[2:02:00] Speaker 2: be on a trash team, but have to be the
[2:02:02] Speaker 2: man on that team, figure it out. That team trend
[2:02:04] Speaker 2: in the right direction. Jalen Simler obviously has Shang-Gu and
[2:02:06] Speaker 2: other guys coming in to help build that team in
[2:02:09] Speaker 2: the winning program. You talk about Ant coming into a
[2:02:11] Speaker 2: situation where he didn't have to be the guy right away.
[2:02:15] Speaker 1: Didn't start right away.
[2:02:17] Speaker 3: And is in the worst position out of all of them.
[2:02:23] Speaker 3: Because he's won at an early age where everybody's developing.
[2:02:28] Speaker 1: Right?
[2:02:28] Speaker 3: So he does it, the grace period of like Cade
[2:02:32] Speaker 3: or Jalen has where they get to develop their game
[2:02:36] Speaker 3: and then the team is built around them. So they
[2:02:39] Speaker 3: lose and lose and lose and where no one's counting
[2:02:42] Speaker 3: on them to win. And then when they're in position,
[2:02:45] Speaker 3: they can start winning. Well, he's won and been winning
[2:02:48] Speaker 3: and making playoffs from the beginning. It's the Tatum and
[2:02:53] Speaker 3: Brown situation where they're winning and winning accolades. And what
[2:02:58] Speaker 3: ends up happening is people get tired of it and
[2:03:00] Speaker 3: then say, what are you going to do?
[2:03:03] Speaker 1: When are you going to take the next step? And
[2:03:05] Speaker 1: the motherfucker is.
[2:03:06] Speaker 3: Sitting there like, bitch, I'm 24, 25. Like, the guy
[2:03:10] Speaker 3: you're putting me against ain't even been in the playoffs,
[2:03:13] Speaker 3: but he has more grace period than me. So he
[2:03:16] Speaker 3: will be talked down upon when his team, when he's
[2:03:20] Speaker 3: 25 or 26, and they decide to rebuild, but he's
[2:03:23] Speaker 3: so young, they're going to rebuild around him.
[2:03:26] Speaker 1: That's going to be the problem. I mean, they would
[2:03:29] Speaker 1: have did the same thing to Colt. No, there's only
[2:03:32] Speaker 1: a few people that came in and they won so early.
[2:03:35] Speaker 1: Like Bron, they was doing the same thing to Bron. No,
[2:03:37] Speaker 1: nobody took, no.
[2:03:38] Speaker 6: They were, bro, when Bron wasn't, when Bron went to
[2:03:41] Speaker 6: the finals and got swept, they was on Bron head.
[2:03:44] Speaker 1: Yeah. Bron came. Yeah. Well, listen, there's no player ever.
[2:03:47] Speaker 1: Because it was a 62 win season. That was a
[2:03:49] Speaker 1: 62 win season and they got swept.
[2:03:51] Speaker 6: Listen, there's no player in the history of the NBA
[2:03:53] Speaker 6: that would ever have as much hype as LeBron James
[2:03:55] Speaker 6: or pressure. So as long as he's still playing today,
[2:03:59] Speaker 6: they still think he should be winning championships.
[2:04:00] Speaker 1: There's no player ever. But that's the unfairness of it. No,
[2:04:04] Speaker 1: it's not.
[2:04:05] Speaker 4: If you want to be called the greatest, that's the
[2:04:07] Speaker 4: pressure that comes with it.
[2:04:08] Speaker 1: But none of the greatest did it. They did do it.
[2:04:10] Speaker 1: What do you mean? The greatest didn't do it? Didn't
[2:04:12] Speaker 1: do what? Didn't have pressure? They had pressure. What you saying?
[2:04:16] Speaker 1: They compared Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan. What I go do?
[2:04:19] Speaker 1: I go get five. So, like, they compared. Oh, no.
[2:04:22] Speaker 3: You're talking about a 21-year-old took his team, the sorry
[2:04:24] Speaker 3: bottom-feeding team, to the championship.
[2:04:26] Speaker 1: He got swept, but he took them to the championship, right? Mm-hmm.
[2:04:30] Speaker 3: He is laughed at for that. versus when did Michael
[2:04:33] Speaker 3: Jordan take.
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: His team to the championship? No, we ain't laugh at it.
[2:04:36] Speaker 1: Nobody laughed at it.
[2:04:37] Speaker 3: What I'm saying is he got his name tarnished because
[2:04:39] Speaker 3: he took his sorry-ass team. Like, that sorry-ass team to
[2:04:44] Speaker 3: the championship. Yeah, they got swept by goddamn Tim Duncan.
[2:04:47] Speaker 1: If they win, Gil, if they win, you're going to
[2:04:49] Speaker 1: be praised. If they won, he gets praised. You're going
[2:04:51] Speaker 1: to be praised. Yes, so what happens? He should be
[2:04:52] Speaker 1: praised for being there. No, that's not how it fucking works, bro.
[2:04:56] Speaker 4: If you get praised for fucking winning the whole conference,
[2:05:00] Speaker 4: and we, yay! And you mean to tell me we're
[2:05:02] Speaker 4: supposed to praise you for.
[2:05:04] Speaker 1: Losing, too? You don't know what it's like to live
[2:05:06] Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Nobody cares. I care. I care all the shit,
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: because I've been to Cleveland before. People in Cleveland don't
[2:05:15] Speaker 1: want to live here. They waiting for a way out.
[2:05:18] Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Let's try it this way, then.
[2:05:21] Speaker 3: If Detroit Pistons make it to the championship, and they
[2:05:28] Speaker 3: get swept in the, this team right here makes it
[2:05:31] Speaker 3: to the championship and gets swept in the championship. Are
[2:05:34] Speaker 3: we going to downplay Cade what he did?
[2:05:37] Speaker 1: That's not the same player. That's not the same player.
[2:05:40] Speaker 1: That's not the same player. And he definitely don't have
[2:05:42] Speaker 1: the same... I'm about to say, yeah, the expectations ain't
[2:05:44] Speaker 1: the same. We're talking about LeBron James, 100 million, coming
[2:05:47] Speaker 1: out of high school. They are expecting him to be the...
[2:05:49] Speaker 1: We are calling you the next George... Chosen one on
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: your back. Chosen one on your back. So the pressure
[2:05:54] Speaker 1: is just different.
[2:05:55] Speaker 4: It's different pressure.
[2:05:58] Speaker 1: First of all... The white suit?
[2:06:00] Speaker 3: No one even thought he was going to turn a
[2:06:02] Speaker 3: franchise around that big.
[2:06:04] Speaker 1: Who? Who? No one. Who? LeBron James? I was a fan.
[2:06:08] Speaker 1: I know. I was rooting for him. They wasn't rooting
[2:06:12] Speaker 1: for him. The kid came out a hundred million. He
[2:06:14] Speaker 1: came out a hundred million and he's wearing the 23. Bro,
[2:06:17] Speaker 1: they was... Come on, man. LeBron James. Come on, man.
[2:06:22] Speaker 1: I knew he was going to take the franchise around.
[2:06:24] Speaker 1: LeBron James was Hall of Fame in one game. His
[2:06:27] Speaker 1: first game. He wasn't in high school. He wasn't even
[2:06:31] Speaker 1: in the league yet. So they wasn't there listening to
[2:06:34] Speaker 1: these people. We were. ESPN is right there. Right there.
[2:06:37] Speaker 1: What you talking about? They're not having secret conversations. Niggas
[2:06:40] Speaker 1: can't hear, bro. The media is sitting here talking about it, bro.
[2:06:44] Speaker 1: What you talking about?
[2:06:45] Speaker 3: I'm saying no one thought he was going to turn
[2:06:49] Speaker 3: the team themselves into going to the championship that fast.
[2:06:56] Speaker 1: No, no, not that fast. That's what I'm saying. But
[2:06:57] Speaker 1: I knew he was going to change the franchise around.
[2:06:59] Speaker 1: That is all cap. That's all cap. LeBron James was
[2:07:05] Speaker 1: the generational player we've never seen before in the history
[2:07:07] Speaker 1: of the game. He went number one. He could have
[2:07:10] Speaker 1: went number one his junior year. What are y'all talking about?
[2:07:14] Speaker 1: He was the chosen one. He came into the game.
[2:07:18] Speaker 1: Everybody was like, oh, my God, LeBron.
[2:07:21] Speaker 4: James' first game. First bucket was a dunk. We knew
[2:07:26] Speaker 4: at that moment it started.
[2:07:29] Speaker 1: Here we go. Here we go.
[2:07:31] Speaker 4: He wasn't even named the king yet.
[2:07:35] Speaker 1: He wasn't even the king. They already were like, hey,
[2:07:37] Speaker 1: LeBron going to do some damage. Year two? Year three?
[2:07:40] Speaker 1: Come on, bro. What are we talking about? LeBron was
[2:07:43] Speaker 1: going to do some damage. No one thought the team
[2:07:46] Speaker 1: was going to have success that fast. That's what we're saying.
[2:07:49] Speaker 1: We're not talking about him. We're talking about the team.
[2:07:52] Speaker 3: Just like his teammates went on record talking shit.
[2:07:56] Speaker 4: That was the first year, his rookie year.
[2:07:58] Speaker 1: Yes, he wasn't even in the league yet. When we
[2:08:00] Speaker 1: got rid of them niggas now think again, we brought
[2:08:03] Speaker 1: in all the niggas He won it and now it
[2:08:05] Speaker 1: became a LeBron James. Oh, this is a LeBron. That's
[2:08:09] Speaker 1: a bad narrative. What you mean? You know that that
[2:08:12] Speaker 1: was not what happened. They didn't get rid of them.
[2:08:14] Speaker 1: They got rid of the Established players. Did they not
[2:08:17] Speaker 1: get rid of them? A bunch of random players. Darius Miles,
[2:08:20] Speaker 1: Carlos Boozer, Ricky Davis was all gone. Those all three
[2:08:23] Speaker 1: of the guys that said something. Out of here. Out
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: of here.
[2:08:26] Speaker 3: Now, think about the players you just named. If he
[2:08:30] Speaker 3: had those players moving forward.
[2:08:33] Speaker 1: That team would have been successful. But the team didn't
[2:08:36] Speaker 1: like him. They got rid of him, broke.
[2:08:38] Speaker 3: A bunch of other players, and he turned that into chaos.
[2:08:42] Speaker 3: We didn't, no one thought he was going to turn
[2:08:44] Speaker 3: a team into a winning product that fast. You went
[2:08:47] Speaker 3: from 17 games to 35. You didn't think that.
[2:08:50] Speaker 1: The league did. I was in the league. You didn't
[2:08:52] Speaker 1: think that. I was there. It happened, though. Of course.
[2:08:56] Speaker 1: What do you mean, of course? But he didn't get
[2:08:57] Speaker 1: praised for it. What? That's what I'm saying. What?
[2:09:01] Speaker 4: LeBron James didn't get praised for a 62-win season getting
[2:09:04] Speaker 4: swept in.
[2:09:04] Speaker 1: No, he didn't.
[2:09:05] Speaker 3: What?
[2:09:05] Speaker 1: No, he didn't. He didn't get praised? No, he wasn't. Oh, okay.
[2:09:08] Speaker 1: He wasn't getting praised. I mean, he wasn't getting praised.
[2:09:10] Speaker 1: He wasn't being pushed. 62-win season. He wasn't being pushed? Yeah,
[2:09:15] Speaker 1: I mean, they were pushing the mic narrative. Everything was mic'd.
[2:09:17] Speaker 1: We're talking about the team's success. It wasn't the... Not
[2:09:22] Speaker 1: him individually. Like, right now, Wimby right now. We're in
[2:09:26] Speaker 1: real time right now. We see Wimby's team, right now.
[2:09:30] Speaker 1: If they go to the playoffs this year.
[2:09:32] Speaker 3: If they go to the championship this year, we're not
[2:09:36] Speaker 3: going to say, well, God damn.
[2:09:38] Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck if you guys swear.
[2:09:40] Speaker 3: We didn't expect the Spurs to be in the championship.
[2:09:43] Speaker 3: We don't expect the Spurs to be in the championship
[2:09:45] Speaker 3: to win.
[2:09:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to say, Wimby's not LeBron. The Cavs
[2:09:49] Speaker 1: were 50-32. The Cavs were 50-32. When did he give
[2:09:51] Speaker 1: them 60? They won only 50 games. They never had
[2:09:52] Speaker 1: a 60 game. Not when he went to the finals.
[2:09:54] Speaker 1: Never won. Not when he went to the finals at
[2:10:00] Speaker 1: 21 years old.
[2:10:01] Speaker 2: Their first 61 season was 2008-09. They lost to the
[2:10:05] Speaker 2: Magic in the conference finals.
[2:10:06] Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
[2:10:07] Speaker 2: And the next one was? They were 61-21, lost in
[2:10:09] Speaker 2: the conference semis to the Celtics.
[2:10:11] Speaker 1: That's the one I was referring to. That's the one
[2:10:13] Speaker 1: I was referring to. The man went to the finals
[2:10:14] Speaker 1: his second year in the NBA. And then he peaced out.
[2:10:16] Speaker 1: That means his third year in the NBA. He went
[2:10:18] Speaker 1: to the finals his third year in the NBA. Third year.
[2:10:21] Speaker 1: 20 years old, man. Like... If Wimby goes to the finals.
[2:10:26] Speaker 1: LeBron James, bro. If Wimby goes to the finals, we're
[2:10:29] Speaker 1: talking about the team, not the player. The team.
[2:10:33] Speaker 3: If Wimby takes the Spurs to the championship within the
[2:10:38] Speaker 3: next two to three years, what happens.
[2:10:41] Speaker 1: There should be irrelevant. The fact that his talent turned
[2:10:46] Speaker 1: over and became.
[2:10:47] Speaker 3: Dominant that fast to get them there. He went to
[2:10:54] Speaker 3: a bottom-feeding team, right? So when you go to a
[2:10:57] Speaker 3: bottom-feeding team, it needs about, what, six, seven years.
[2:11:00] Speaker 1: Moving the goalposts now. No, I'm not moving the goalposts.
[2:11:04] Speaker 1: There's only a few people who came into.
[2:11:06] Speaker 4: The league and won a championship because of their team.
[2:11:09] Speaker 4: First is that fast. We moved it from this to
[2:11:11] Speaker 4: that fast. Now it depends on this.
[2:11:15] Speaker 1: I've been saying the same thing. You're saying something different. Oh,
[2:11:18] Speaker 1: you're saying that bad. You thought he won 60 games.
[2:11:20] Speaker 1: You're talking about when he's 27. I said 60, 62.
[2:11:23] Speaker 1: You said 62. 62. He won 50. I was referring
[2:11:25] Speaker 1: to the Boston Celtics. And I'm talking about the third.
[2:11:29] Speaker 1: I'm talking about the year he got. You're talking about
[2:11:31] Speaker 1: the year he got swept. I'm talking about the year
[2:11:33] Speaker 1: he got swept. Why didn't he get credit? I'm talking
[2:11:35] Speaker 1: about expectations. Why didn't he get credit? Expectations. Why didn't
[2:11:39] Speaker 1: he get credit for getting that team there? Just like
[2:11:40] Speaker 1: Brandon said, when he came in the league at 19,
[2:11:42] Speaker 1: his expectations. His! Him! His personal!
[2:11:45] Speaker 4: Means to take us to the promised land, chosen one.
[2:11:48] Speaker 1: We got you.
[2:11:49] Speaker 4: You're supposed to be the next greatest. Take us to
[2:11:51] Speaker 4: the fucking promised land. Okay, first year didn't happen.
[2:11:53] Speaker 1: Cool. Second year didn't happen.
[2:11:55] Speaker 4: Third year, oh, LeBron gave us what we thought he
[2:11:57] Speaker 4: could give us.
[2:11:58] Speaker 1: Thank you, Lord Jesus. I mean, the hype was crazy.
[2:12:01] Speaker 1: That's not how it went. I mean... What the fuck
[2:12:03] Speaker 1: are we talking about, bro?
[2:12:04] Speaker 6: I mean, there's no other basketball player that I've witnessed
[2:12:06] Speaker 6: with that much hype.
[2:12:07] Speaker 1: So, just as a basketball player... Coming in.
[2:12:09] Speaker 3: Wait, wait, so just as a basketball player, the hype
[2:12:11] Speaker 3: of women, if they make it to the championship next year,
[2:12:15] Speaker 3: you're not going to say, God damn, this motherfucker's that nice.
[2:12:18] Speaker 1: No, I'm not. Well, you're just going to say, oh,
[2:12:19] Speaker 1: you got a sweat fucker. He's not LeBron James. It
[2:12:22] Speaker 1: don't matter. It does. We know what his team looks like,
[2:12:25] Speaker 1: and we know him. Are y'all serious? No, it's not.
[2:12:29] Speaker 1: I won't feel it.
[2:12:32] Speaker 6: Like LeBron, I mean, I was a kid, so to me,
[2:12:34] Speaker 6: looking at a high school kid doing that early, that's
[2:12:36] Speaker 6: just different for me.
[2:12:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, man. LeBron was doing his thing. LeBron's fourth season,
[2:12:40] Speaker 1: I believe, when they went to the finals. It's not
[2:12:42] Speaker 1: the same, man. LeBron's just different coming in. His pressure.
[2:12:44] Speaker 1: He had all the pressure. He's different. His team, his
[2:12:47] Speaker 1: team was his team. I ain't never heard you say
[2:12:50] Speaker 1: team this much. You started saying team a lot. I'm
[2:12:54] Speaker 1: expecting greatness from LeBron no matter where he went.
[2:12:56] Speaker 3: Because the players who were there were like, God damn,
[2:12:58] Speaker 3: he turned that sorry-ass team to that fast?
[2:13:00] Speaker 1: That's crazy. Nah. It ain't never been a that fast
[2:13:03] Speaker 1: kind of conversation. Because no one's ever done it that fast.
[2:13:05] Speaker 1: I don't know. It ain't a conversation. Because no one's
[2:13:07] Speaker 1: ever done it. No one cares about the speed of
[2:13:09] Speaker 1: which you do it. Because no one's ever done it.
[2:13:10] Speaker 1: No one cares about the speed of which you do it.
[2:13:11] Speaker 1: I was just waiting on you to win a championship.
[2:13:13] Speaker 1: Do it. Get it done. No one's ever done it.
[2:13:14] Speaker 1: Get it done. We don't care how fast you do it.
[2:13:15] Speaker 1: I'll push the wrong narrative.
[2:13:16] Speaker 4: We don't care how fast you do it. You're the
[2:13:19] Speaker 4: one talking about speed, how fast you do it.
[2:13:22] Speaker 1: Who cares? You push the personal hate. Like, push real.
[2:13:26] Speaker 3: Hating someone and pushing a narrative that's because you hate them,
[2:13:30] Speaker 3: that's just wrong.
[2:13:31] Speaker 1: Or pushing someone and don't supposed to be pushed is wrong, too.
[2:13:34] Speaker 1: Leave him where he at.
[2:13:35] Speaker 4: Let him push himself. He don't need your help. He
[2:13:39] Speaker 4: don't need your help. He don't need your help. Let
[2:13:43] Speaker 4: him push himself. You ain't got to push him, put
[2:13:45] Speaker 4: him up there. Nah, yeah, let him push himself.
[2:13:48] Speaker 2: Let's shift back to Kay Cunningham real quick before we
[2:13:50] Speaker 2: move on to mostly fans. So the final NBA All-Star
[2:13:53] Speaker 2: starter fan votes were released last week. Cunningham finished seventh
[2:13:57] Speaker 2: amongst Eastern Conference guards. So as a reminder, fans account
[2:14:01] Speaker 2: for 50% of the vote to decide the all-star starters.
[2:14:03] Speaker 2: Players in a media panel account for 25% each. So Gil,
[2:14:07] Speaker 2: during a recent episode of Gil's Arena presented by underdog
[2:14:09] Speaker 2: Woof Woof, you said that Cade should consider moving to
[2:14:12] Speaker 2: a bigger market to truly allow his game to flourish.
[2:14:15] Speaker 2: In so many words, just paraphrasing. So those comments got
[2:14:18] Speaker 2: the attention of Pistons head coach J.B. Bickerstaff, who had
[2:14:21] Speaker 2: this response.
[2:14:23] Speaker 8: I mean, I would just disagree completely. Kevin Durant was
[2:14:26] Speaker 8: pretty good in Oklahoma City. Tim Duncan was pretty good
[2:14:29] Speaker 8: in San Antonio. I mean, like, this day and age,
[2:14:33] Speaker 8: the basketball travels, right? There's so many outlets, so many
[2:14:37] Speaker 8: people following cameras. The game is so big that, you know,
[2:14:41] Speaker 8: to me, I just disagree with that, right? You know,
[2:14:45] Speaker 8: there was a time where, you know, you needed to
[2:14:48] Speaker 8: be in New York or L.A. or Boston to be
[2:14:51] Speaker 8: marketable or whatever it may be, but Detroit's won championships
[2:14:54] Speaker 8: in you know, with a certain style of play.
[2:14:57] Speaker 1: And you'd be hard-pressed to.
[2:14:59] Speaker 8: Tell me, you know, Chauncey Billups, Joe Dumars, Isaiah Thomas,
[2:15:03] Speaker 8: Rasheed Wallace, you know, Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamlet.
[2:15:05] Speaker 1: Like, I could go on and on, obviously, about.
[2:15:08] Speaker 8: Those guys that they needed to be somewhere else to
[2:15:11] Speaker 8: get the job done. So I don't agree with it.
[2:15:15] Speaker 1: You know, I think there's a lot of facts behind that.
[2:15:17] Speaker 1: Did he name a fact behind it?
[2:15:21] Speaker 2: He pointed to some players who thrived in smaller markets.
[2:15:27] Speaker 2: What was my quote about his markability? You said he
[2:15:31] Speaker 2: has a big market type of game.
[2:15:34] Speaker 1: He needs to be in a big market game to
[2:15:36] Speaker 1: allow his game to flourish, I believe. Something along those lines.
[2:15:39] Speaker 1: And he said he disagrees. He said he disagrees. And
[2:15:46] Speaker 1: he named who? Kevin Durant. Uh-huh. Said he was pretty
[2:15:50] Speaker 1: good in OKC, right? OK.
[2:15:53] Speaker 3: And then he named somebody else.
[2:15:56] Speaker 1: Who do you name again? Tim Duncan, right? Name Tim
[2:15:58] Speaker 1: Duncan Spurs. Best power forward ever, right? Yeah.
[2:16:04] Speaker 3: And most people, when we talk top five, they forget
[2:16:07] Speaker 3: to bring them up, right? You just forget about them, right?
[2:16:15] Speaker 3: Chauncey Billups too, right? Now, I was with Chauncey Billups
[2:16:20] Speaker 3: after he won a championship with Adidas, and Tim Duncan
[2:16:23] Speaker 3: was already, what, a three, four-time All-Star. I sold more
[2:16:29] Speaker 3: shoes than they did. I was more popular than they are.
[2:16:33] Speaker 3: We released another pair of shoes before the Hall of Fame,
[2:16:37] Speaker 3: Tim Duncan and the champion. So what he's saying is
[2:16:42] Speaker 3: his opinion has nothing to do with the facts because
[2:16:45] Speaker 3: the facts are still the facts, right?
[2:16:47] Speaker 1: We have Donovan Mitchell doing his thing over there, right? Yes,
[2:16:50] Speaker 1: number one option. No one talks about it, right? Right?
[2:16:53] Speaker 1: No one talks about it. Shea is number one over there, right?
[2:16:59] Speaker 1: No one buys his shoes. Right? He's in the fashion.
[2:17:03] Speaker 1: He's in it. Can't sell no shoes. Jokic is over
[2:17:05] Speaker 1: where he's at. MVP. Three-time MVP. What shoes does he wear?
[2:17:11] Speaker 1: We don't know. We do not know what shoes he wears.
[2:17:16] Speaker 3: We don't know. No one is looking for him. No
[2:17:19] Speaker 3: one cares. There is still. There still is likability. Where
[2:17:28] Speaker 3: your market is, it's actually still a thing.
[2:17:34] Speaker 1: I get it, right? You want to push for your
[2:17:37] Speaker 1: man because of who he is, but you take him
[2:17:42] Speaker 1: and you put his 24, 25 in a bigger city,
[2:17:45] Speaker 1: trust me, people will be talking about it. New York?
[2:17:51] Speaker 1: It's still a thing. It's still a market. I'm sorry.
[2:17:55] Speaker 1: Don't blame me for saying it. You got De'Aaron.
[2:17:57] Speaker 3: Fox over there in Sacramento playing the way he's playing.
[2:18:01] Speaker 1: No recognition.
[2:18:01] Speaker 3: You got a man down in Atlanta who's been averaging
[2:18:04] Speaker 3: a double, double, 20 and 10, 27 and something.
[2:18:08] Speaker 1: Nobody talks about it.
[2:18:10] Speaker 3: Right?
[2:18:10] Speaker 1: So the market is still the market. That's a fact.
[2:18:15] Speaker 1: When you're doing your shoe contract, Trust.
[2:18:18] Speaker 3: Me, the percentages is, you're gonna get more bonuses being
[2:18:22] Speaker 3: in a bigger market. And that's not my opinion.
[2:18:27] Speaker 1: What's the big market cities? New York, LA, Boston. I'll
[2:18:32] Speaker 1: say Golden State.
[2:18:34] Speaker 3: So LA, New York, Boston, Chicago, or San Francisco, D.C., Miami.
[2:18:42] Speaker 1: Would you say Toronto? Dallas. Toronto has its own market.
[2:18:48] Speaker 1: It's weird. Still a billion people. Yeah, that's eight.
[2:18:52] Speaker 3: Nine.
[2:18:53] Speaker 1: Houston takes his like... Houston because of y'all. Okay. Out
[2:18:55] Speaker 1: of all them names you gave me, right? Uh-huh. I'm
[2:18:59] Speaker 1: thinking all the players that are on those teams. Philadelphia. Philadelphia, too.
[2:19:03] Speaker 4: So you say, man, if he had more likability and
[2:19:07] Speaker 4: markability in these big cities, more people would know about it.
[2:19:11] Speaker 4: Sell more shoes and stuff, right?
[2:19:13] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Big city. Boston. Boston. Jalen Brown's shoe not selling out.
[2:19:20] Speaker 1: Does he have a shoe? Yeah, he has a shoe.
[2:19:22] Speaker 1: He just came out with one. Jason Tatum's shoe not
[2:19:24] Speaker 1: selling out. All right, let's go to another market. Miami.
[2:19:29] Speaker 1: Big market? Yeah. So I'll just from 2022, but I'll
[2:19:33] Speaker 1: read NBA market size rankings. So they have a market
[2:19:37] Speaker 1: size ranking?
[2:19:37] Speaker 2: TV market size and metro population. So number one, you
[2:19:40] Speaker 2: got the Knicks Nets.
[2:19:42] Speaker 1: Hold on. Knicks Nets. Who on the Knicks? Brooklyn. Who's
[2:19:45] Speaker 1: on the Knicks? Jalen Brown. Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson. Does
[2:19:48] Speaker 1: he have a shoe? No. Is he marketable? Yes. Is
[2:19:52] Speaker 1: he being marketed? Good podcast. Is he being marketed like
[2:19:55] Speaker 1: he's speaking of? No. No. Can we finish? Let me finish.
[2:19:59] Speaker 1: Go ahead. Keep going.
[2:20:00] Speaker 3: When he plays well, does not the world don't know
[2:20:03] Speaker 3: about it?
[2:20:03] Speaker 1: Nope. No one cares. He's boring. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
[2:20:08] Speaker 1: Last year was... Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Last year,
[2:20:11] Speaker 1: it was crazy.
[2:20:11] Speaker 3: The same reason when Julius Randle thinks he about playing bad.
[2:20:15] Speaker 1: Who else? The same reason everybody's calling Cat and praising
[2:20:19] Speaker 1: Cat right now because of the market he's in. Nope.
[2:20:21] Speaker 2: Cat in the MVP right now. What are you talking about?
[2:20:23] Speaker 2: What are you talking about? So Nick's net is number one. Lakers,
[2:20:26] Speaker 2: Clippers market, LA market is two. Chicago market, three. Philly market, four.
[2:20:30] Speaker 1: Who in Chicago is selling? They don't have nobody here. Nobody. Okay,
[2:20:33] Speaker 1: who else? Philly for? Who in Philly selling? Anybody buying
[2:20:37] Speaker 1: in B-Sketch? Anybody buying in Maxi's joints? All right, who else?
[2:20:40] Speaker 1: Maxi is... The Mavs are fifth. Mavs are fifth. Who's
[2:20:43] Speaker 1: buying Kyrie's shoes? China. Who's buying Luca's shoes? I don't
[2:20:48] Speaker 1: even know. All right, look at big markets. Keep going.
[2:20:50] Speaker 1: More big markets. Nobody's being promoted.
[2:20:53] Speaker 6: I mean, they're buying Kyrie shit.
[2:20:54] Speaker 1: Nobody's being promoted. Nobody's on Toronto. All right, go ahead.
[2:20:57] Speaker 1: Who else? Big markets. Big markets. Big markets.
[2:21:01] Speaker 4: Golden State State. Steph Curry. Steph Curry got what?
[2:21:04] Speaker 1: Under Armour. Who else on that team is doing anything?
[2:21:07] Speaker 1: Selling anything or doing anything? Curry Branson. That's it. Curry.
[2:21:09] Speaker 1: Who else? Atlanta's eighth. Atlanta. Trey Young. Eighth. Trey Young.
[2:21:16] Speaker 1: Number eight. Biggest market in the NBA. Can't get nobody
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: to watch him play. Watch him play? Big market. Wait, wait,
[2:21:25] Speaker 1: watch him play? Big market. He signed with Jordan Brandt. Like,
[2:21:27] Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Is he selling? He just
[2:21:29] Speaker 1: had three shoes. Is he selling? We don't know. We
[2:21:31] Speaker 1: don't have the number. We don't know. He was with Adidas, right? Yeah.
[2:21:34] Speaker 1: Did he sell anything? I still got them bulky-ass shits
[2:21:36] Speaker 1: in my fucking closet. Okay, now. I ain't put them
[2:21:39] Speaker 1: shits on in my fucking bed. Trey, I wore your shoes.
[2:21:41] Speaker 1: I enjoyed the Adidas shoes. Huh? I enjoyed your Adidas, Trey.
[2:21:45] Speaker 1: If you have any excess.
[2:21:46] Speaker 4: All of a sudden, guys like Donovan Mitchell not marketable?
[2:21:49] Speaker 1: We not watching? How? Because your feed ain't on that feed.
[2:21:53] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell's marketable. Ain't it about feed? Ain't it about
[2:21:55] Speaker 1: what you're watching? Ain't it about what you like? It's
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: called preference, right? You said Donovan Mitchell is marketable? Listen,
[2:22:00] Speaker 1: can you get outside of your preference? No, I just
[2:22:03] Speaker 1: don't want to be inside yours. You're reading it. This
[2:22:06] Speaker 1: is not mine. Are you reading it or not? I'm
[2:22:08] Speaker 1: reading from the internet. It's not mine. It's your reading it, right?
[2:22:11] Speaker 1: Are you Googling? It's not my preference. You're reading a preference. Wait,
[2:22:14] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell is marketable in Cleveland? Just you Googling. Tatum
[2:22:18] Speaker 1: all-star voting. Him, cat. Is he on his phone? Yeah.
[2:22:22] Speaker 1: Did that get on my phone? That's why you're wrong. Oh, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.
[2:22:27] Speaker 1: That's why you're wrong. Okay, okay, okay. That's why you
[2:22:29] Speaker 1: should say LeBron won 60. I just wish we didn't
[2:22:31] Speaker 1: have phones. If you didn't have no phone, we wouldn't
[2:22:33] Speaker 1: know who was wrong or who was right. We wouldn't
[2:22:35] Speaker 1: know who was wrong or who was right. But I
[2:22:37] Speaker 1: got my phone. Who sounds the best? I don't give
[2:22:40] Speaker 1: a fuck about who sounds the best. Who can debate?
[2:22:42] Speaker 1: I don't care about the debate. Who can debate?
[2:22:44] Speaker 4: You know when they're on the president of the debate,
[2:22:46] Speaker 4: they say, you can't use your phone.
[2:22:48] Speaker 1: What you doing with your phone? You get a notepad. Ah.
[2:22:50] Speaker 1: Go ahead, though. Go ahead, though. Go ahead, though. Go ahead, though. Okay,
[2:22:54] Speaker 1: Jason Tatum. Karl-Anthony's third now in votes? Okay.
[2:22:57] Speaker 3: LaMelo's in front of Donovan Mitchell, Dame, and Jalen Brunson.
[2:23:01] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson there. Okay. We got Lakers. We got Wimby. Okay.
[2:23:08] Speaker 1: Is he making any points, or are you just naming?
[2:23:11] Speaker 1: I'm just naming the players. Right?
[2:23:15] Speaker 3: So, Cade being in Detroit, playing the way he's playing,
[2:23:18] Speaker 3: having seven triple-doubles.
[2:23:20] Speaker 1: Where does that rank? No one knows. Everyone knows. Where
[2:23:24] Speaker 1: does it rank? You don't know. Where does it rank?
[2:23:26] Speaker 1: You don't know. You said everyone, so you mean in yourself?
[2:23:28] Speaker 3: No.
[2:23:28] Speaker 1: I mean everybody who paid attention to the game. Do
[2:23:30] Speaker 1: you pay attention? Yeah. So, how many? Where does it
[2:23:33] Speaker 1: rank in triple-doubles? Don't care. Okay. So, that means... It's
[2:23:36] Speaker 1: a useless stat. Do you know? Do you know? Okay.
[2:23:40] Speaker 1: Where he ranked in triple-doubles this year? Yeah. Where does
[2:23:42] Speaker 1: he rank in triple-doubles? Cade. Second? Is he second? What
[2:23:48] Speaker 1: you think? Is he second? Triple-double? Let's go. You know
[2:23:52] Speaker 1: how many? Hey, we got to break off of this.
[2:23:54] Speaker 1: We got to break off of this. So nine people
[2:23:56] Speaker 1: don't know. Okay. Exactly.
[2:23:57] Speaker 3: Damn, you niggas want to keep me OT. I ain't
[2:23:59] Speaker 3: no OT. But if it was Luka, you know how
[2:24:02] Speaker 3: many they got.
[2:24:02] Speaker 1: All right, guys. Breaking news. Breaking news.
[2:24:05] Speaker 5: Miami Heat planned to suspend Jimmy Butler for two games.
[2:24:09] Speaker 5: He missed the team flight on Wednesday. Was planning to
[2:24:12] Speaker 5: join the team later on tonight.
[2:24:15] Speaker 1: Wait, that's over.
[2:24:15] Speaker 7: Yeah, he's Keeping him home from his two-game road trip.
[2:24:20] Speaker 5: What do you guys think about the Heat suspending Jimmy again?
[2:24:23] Speaker 1: Two-game suspension. Missed a plane on Wednesday. It's a wrap.
[2:24:29] Speaker 1: They better figure something out. I mean... You don't get
[2:24:34] Speaker 1: your way, that's how you're going to act. But the....
[2:24:40] Speaker 3: The problem is there's a fine already. There's already a
[2:24:44] Speaker 3: penalty for being late and missing the flight. There's already
[2:24:49] Speaker 3: a fine for that.
[2:24:50] Speaker 1: They changed it. In real time. I mean, I don't
[2:24:56] Speaker 1: know their rules. My rule book changed overnight. I mean,
[2:25:00] Speaker 1: so he missed the flight.
[2:25:01] Speaker 6: And then he met them there at night.
[2:25:03] Speaker 1: He said he was going to meet them.
[2:25:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, so you get fined for missing the flight. You already, like,
[2:25:08] Speaker 3: I missed the bus. I get fined for that. Then
[2:25:11] Speaker 3: I have to get my own way there.
[2:25:12] Speaker 4: But you just came back from suspension for detrimental to
[2:25:15] Speaker 4: the team.
[2:25:15] Speaker 1: Right, so you're still doing something. You're still doing the
[2:25:18] Speaker 1: same thing.
[2:25:18] Speaker 6: It's like going to school and you keep, like, they
[2:25:20] Speaker 6: suspend you and then you come.
[2:25:22] Speaker 1: All right. Come on, man. All right, man. All right, well,
[2:25:26] Speaker 1: go ahead. Attention again. Yep. All right, now go home.
[2:25:29] Speaker 1: In school. It's like school, bro. It's just school. Like,
[2:25:34] Speaker 1: you know what you're doing. Like, let's be honest.
[2:25:37] Speaker 6: Like, you know when you want to come in here
[2:25:40] Speaker 6: and be an asshole, you know what you're doing.
[2:25:41] Speaker 1: Fags. Fags. Like, I don't care. Everybody know you on
[2:25:45] Speaker 1: asshole shit right now.
[2:25:46] Speaker 2: Heater at the Bucks on Thursday, so does it make
[2:25:48] Speaker 2: it any different that it was a flight to Milwaukee?
[2:25:50] Speaker 1: Does that change your opinion?
[2:25:52] Speaker 6: I mean, maybe not going, because that's where he finna
[2:25:54] Speaker 6: end up.
[2:25:54] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[2:25:56] Speaker 1: He was bringing the moment, man. But remember, I said
[2:25:59] Speaker 1: that earlier.
[2:26:00] Speaker 3: I said, all they're going to do is just try
[2:26:01] Speaker 3: to figure out how to find him.
[2:26:04] Speaker 1: That's all this is going to be about. Try to
[2:26:05] Speaker 1: figure out little ways to fucking just find him. Because... Oh,
[2:26:12] Speaker 1: your short's too big. Two games suspension. Oh, he yelled.
[2:26:18] Speaker 1: He didn't look at the game tape while we was
[2:26:20] Speaker 1: all watching film. He was late to the film.
[2:26:22] Speaker 4: I don't think it's that. I don't think it's that.
[2:26:24] Speaker 4: He could easily just stay under the radar, put your
[2:26:27] Speaker 4: head down, be at the meetings, don't say nothing, walk
[2:26:30] Speaker 4: through everything, and you ain't got to be no distraction.
[2:26:33] Speaker 1: You being a distraction, bro.
[2:26:34] Speaker 3: Okay, but we know when someone's trying to be an asshole, right?
[2:26:38] Speaker 3: The plane's supposed to leave at 3 o'clock, right? And
[2:26:41] Speaker 3: it's 3.05, right? But the plane left at 2.50.
[2:26:45] Speaker 1: $ 250 because they want to prove a point. I mean, it's...
[2:26:50] Speaker 1: I doubt that's what happened. It's just not a good look, man.
[2:26:53] Speaker 1: For sure. Like, for me, because I'm a fan... It's
[2:26:55] Speaker 1: not a good look for Miami to do this. It's
[2:26:58] Speaker 1: not a good look for... You're trying to get rid
[2:27:00] Speaker 1: of the product. But it's not... You're trying to get
[2:27:02] Speaker 1: rid of the product, aren't you? Nope. You're helping the
[2:27:06] Speaker 1: other teams out. The more you keep doing it, the
[2:27:11] Speaker 1: more no one has to give up their assets for.
[2:27:14] Speaker 1: But they're going to, though, because they know what Jimmy
[2:27:16] Speaker 1: can bring. I don't have to. But we know what
[2:27:18] Speaker 1: he can bring to the table. But I don't have to. You.
[2:27:22] Speaker 1: The black cloud is over your organization. Because? You're telling
[2:27:28] Speaker 1: us you don't like your girl. No, no. What makes
[2:27:31] Speaker 1: me want to take her from you? Why is the
[2:27:32] Speaker 1: black cloud here? I don't give a fuck why it's there.
[2:27:36] Speaker 1: You want to get rid of her, right? But this
[2:27:40] Speaker 1: black cloud came from somewhere. But what I'm saying is...
[2:27:42] Speaker 1: It came from somewhere. But if you keep telling me
[2:27:44] Speaker 1: what's wrong with it, why do I got to buy
[2:27:46] Speaker 1: it for the price you asking for? Because you still
[2:27:49] Speaker 1: know what it's going to do.
[2:27:50] Speaker 3: Imagine you want me to talk to this girl right here.
[2:27:53] Speaker 3: You want to get rid of her, but you're telling
[2:27:55] Speaker 3: me everything she's doing wrong.
[2:27:56] Speaker 1: She don't care, though. She cheats every two days. She
[2:27:58] Speaker 1: can't cook. She smells. She does this. She calls the police.
[2:28:02] Speaker 1: She's ready to come. But you could be lying because
[2:28:04] Speaker 1: you don't want me to do it. But it's public.
[2:28:06] Speaker 1: Because once I get her, she going to be cooking.
[2:28:08] Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is you're trying to sell me
[2:28:11] Speaker 3: on a product, but you're publicly embarrassing it.
[2:28:16] Speaker 4: No, because she want to be with you so bad,
[2:28:18] Speaker 4: she's ready to just do it for free. That's how
[2:28:20] Speaker 4: bad it is. She's like, man, I'm going to go
[2:28:22] Speaker 4: over here and just... and show him I'm cheating.
[2:28:25] Speaker 1: I'm going to just show him I'm not fucking with him,
[2:28:27] Speaker 1: and then he's going to kick your ass out on
[2:28:29] Speaker 1: the street. Okay, cool.
[2:28:30] Speaker 3: Once you kick her out on the street, I'm going
[2:28:32] Speaker 3: to pick her up for the pennies on the dollar.
[2:28:33] Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying. That's exactly what
[2:28:37] Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's pennies on the dollar. So don't get
[2:28:41] Speaker 1: mad when I'm giving you pennies on the dollar. We're
[2:28:43] Speaker 1: just glad we got rid of her.
[2:28:44] Speaker 4: You're asking for $ 20? We're just glad we got rid
[2:28:46] Speaker 4: of her. We're just glad we got rid of her.
[2:28:48] Speaker 1: That's all we want.
[2:28:49] Speaker 6: I still think both parties are going to win at
[2:28:50] Speaker 6: the end of the day. Regardless if they get rid
[2:28:51] Speaker 6: of her, I still think both parties are going to win. Like,
[2:28:53] Speaker 6: Jimmy going to get out of it.
[2:28:54] Speaker 1: It's just once she out the house, you feel good
[2:28:57] Speaker 1: in here again. But your house feel good again. But
[2:28:59] Speaker 1: you're asking for 20 bucks. And I'm giving you a dollar.
[2:29:04] Speaker 1: I'm giving you a dollar. But you know we ain't
[2:29:06] Speaker 1: got to do this. That ain't no more. That's all
[2:29:08] Speaker 1: you're asking. I'm getting my $ 20 back. I'm going to
[2:29:10] Speaker 1: get my $ 20 back regardless. That dollar is cool. We'll
[2:29:12] Speaker 1: work with this. We can build on a dollar. Shit,
[2:29:14] Speaker 1: I flip a dollar every time. We don't give a
[2:29:16] Speaker 1: fuck about that.
[2:29:17] Speaker 4: Get this out of here. Get this out my face.
[2:29:21] Speaker 1: Please. We will work with this dollar.
[2:29:27] Speaker 3: I'm asking somebody what their.
[2:29:32] Speaker 1: What the rule is if you miss the flight.
[2:29:36] Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, Pat rules is different. Pat's standing
[2:29:40] Speaker 6: on business, and I like it. And I like Jimmy's,
[2:29:43] Speaker 6: but I just like, man, like you need GMs. You
[2:29:46] Speaker 6: need GMs like this. This is why he's still there.
[2:29:48] Speaker 6: Because if not, it's going to get out of control.
[2:29:50] Speaker 1: Trust me.
[2:29:50] Speaker 6: You're going to have somebody else coming up in there
[2:29:53] Speaker 6: thinking that, you know, I'll run this because I went
[2:29:55] Speaker 6: to the finals.
[2:29:56] Speaker 1: Man, listen, you didn't put one of them. A few grand.
[2:29:58] Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Missing the flight is a few grand.
[2:30:04] Speaker 1: From Miami? From another team. Okay. No, from another team.
[2:30:07] Speaker 1: We don't know Miami's, though. Everybody got different rules, man.
[2:30:10] Speaker 1: How did I guess he was going to do that?
[2:30:11] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't... I'm just saying, everybody got
[2:30:14] Speaker 1: different rules. Give LeBron his cookies back. But I'm trying
[2:30:17] Speaker 1: to figure out, like, that there should be.
[2:30:21] Speaker 1: But come on, Gil. Like, if you keep.
[2:30:22] Speaker 6: If you keep fucking up and you keep doing stuff...
[2:30:25] Speaker 6: and you keep adding on to the problem, like, what
[2:30:27] Speaker 6: do you think is going to happen?
[2:30:28] Speaker 1: So what, I'm going to just keep... No, man, we're
[2:30:29] Speaker 1: going to add more to this. Like, you keep testing me. Like,
[2:30:32] Speaker 1: you think I'm a joke. So what I'm saying is...
[2:30:34] Speaker 1: I'm Pat fucking Riley. This is my shit. But that
[2:30:36] Speaker 1: becomes your ego, not rules. What? Right, and so this
[2:30:39] Speaker 1: is your ego, too. These are my rules. Right, and
[2:30:42] Speaker 1: this is your ego, too. But then let's see it
[2:30:44] Speaker 1: in the rule book. Because I guarantee you the rule book,
[2:30:47] Speaker 1: it says a fine on claim.
[2:30:51] Speaker 3: If you miss something, there's a fine.
[2:30:54] Speaker 1: He said rule book? Yeah, there's a rule. We have
[2:30:56] Speaker 1: rule books. I am the rule book. There we go again.
[2:31:00] Speaker 1: I'm Pat Riley. I'm the rule book. When you late
[2:31:02] Speaker 1: to practice, there's a fine, right? You late to the bus, right?
[2:31:06] Speaker 1: There's a fine. There's a fine, a couple grand, to
[2:31:10] Speaker 1: miss something or be late to something. Right? You miss
[2:31:13] Speaker 1: the fucking bus. Fine. Bring your ass to the game.
[2:31:17] Speaker 1: I missed the bus. That is something. I mean, yeah,
[2:31:19] Speaker 1: we did. I mean, but I don't know. Yeah, but
[2:31:22] Speaker 1: I mean, Milwaukee, yes. I don't know, though. I don't
[2:31:24] Speaker 1: know other teams.
[2:31:25] Speaker 4: That would mean if I'm willing to take a fine
[2:31:29] Speaker 4: for a missed flight, I can miss the flight every
[2:31:31] Speaker 4: single game, and it'll be okay because I could just
[2:31:34] Speaker 4: pay the fine.
[2:31:34] Speaker 1: Miss the game or miss the flight to that city?
[2:31:37] Speaker 1: Either one. No, it's not either one. I'm not missing
[2:31:39] Speaker 1: the game. What's the fine for missing the game? It's
[2:31:45] Speaker 1: a fine, right? There's no fine for missing a game. Okay,
[2:31:47] Speaker 1: so it's a fine for missing the bus, right? Yeah,
[2:31:49] Speaker 1: missing the bus. And then missing the flight, right? Missing
[2:31:52] Speaker 1: the flight, right.
[2:31:52] Speaker 4: So whatever that fine is, if I can get away
[2:31:54] Speaker 4: with that shit just by paying a fine, I'll be
[2:31:56] Speaker 4: late every fucking game. Do you think I want to
[2:32:00] Speaker 4: have that fucking shit as my organization and just be like, oh,
[2:32:03] Speaker 4: you can just pay $ 500 and be late to my shit?
[2:32:07] Speaker 1: Are you fucking crazy? Do you think he should have
[2:32:09] Speaker 1: got suspended for that, though? It's your rule.
[2:32:10] Speaker 4: Listen, my rule says if you're late once, you're late twice,
[2:32:14] Speaker 4: pay the fine.
[2:32:15] Speaker 1: Cool, yeah, we get it. But if you're doing this
[2:32:17] Speaker 1: in the middle of us battling back and forth over
[2:32:19] Speaker 1: a power struggle, you think that I'm going to accept
[2:32:22] Speaker 1: this type of shit? No. We don't give a fuck
[2:32:24] Speaker 1: about no rule book. My shit.
[2:32:27] Speaker 6: So now just suspend him for missing.
[2:32:30] Speaker 4: He already just got suspended. This is an ad on
[2:32:33] Speaker 4: Jimmy not being smart. You just got suspended. You just
[2:32:35] Speaker 4: came back.
[2:32:36] Speaker 1: Play it clean. So they're just flying to the city.
[2:32:39] Speaker 1: So he was going to meet them in the city.
[2:32:41] Speaker 1: He's late. Flying to Milwaukee. Miliwaki is also known. Missed
[2:32:45] Speaker 1: the flight. Missed the flight. I imagine he was going
[2:32:47] Speaker 1: to take his own flight and meet y'all there later.
[2:32:49] Speaker 1: I'm going to be here. I mean, after wearing the
[2:32:50] Speaker 1: other team, after wearing Sun shoes.
[2:32:53] Speaker 6: I mean, everybody know, though. Like, I mean, anybody playing
[2:32:55] Speaker 6: in the NBA, you know. Like, when you start trying
[2:32:56] Speaker 6: to play games with the organization, they're going to play.
[2:32:58] Speaker 1: With you, too.
[2:32:59] Speaker 2: So we asked the chat, is this the right move
[2:33:01] Speaker 2: for the Miami Heat to suspend Jimmy? 66% said no.
[2:33:05] Speaker 2: So the chat don't think he should be suspended for
[2:33:06] Speaker 2: missing the team flight. Gil, you say just give him
[2:33:08] Speaker 2: the fine.
[2:33:09] Speaker 6: It's just tough because it's so much building, so much
[2:33:13] Speaker 6: stuff building up.
[2:33:13] Speaker 1: And they got to stand on business. What's up? Are
[2:33:17] Speaker 1: those peanut M & Ms in there? I get both sides, though.
[2:33:20] Speaker 1: What you got in there? This is for the giveaway, man. Okay.
[2:33:22] Speaker 1: Everybody that participate, you know. Okay. I get both sides.
[2:33:26] Speaker 1: We come back. You know what I'm saying? We come back.
[2:33:28] Speaker 1: I get to pick the winners. Okay, I thought that was... Winner, winner.
[2:33:31] Speaker 1: We were doing our own lottery. You know what I'm saying?
[2:33:34] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[2:33:34] Speaker 1: I thought it was bingo. I'm trying to tell them.
[2:33:37] Speaker 1: I thought it was bingo. Bingo. I thought it was
[2:33:40] Speaker 1: going to Sacramento. So, we will have more on this.
[2:33:43] Speaker 1: Find somebody.
[2:33:43] Speaker 2: On Gil's Arena tomorrow, we will monitor the situation, see
[2:33:46] Speaker 2: how it's going. Let's move quickly to Mostly Fans. Presented
[2:33:49] Speaker 2: by Underdog. Want to make sure somebody get their bread.
[2:33:52] Speaker 2: In the meantime, in between time, download the app, use
[2:33:53] Speaker 2: promo code Gil. Get $ 1, 000 in bonus cash plus a
[2:33:56] Speaker 2: special pick-em. So we got one question for you guys
[2:33:57] Speaker 2: from Underdog user YupInMyGreyT.
[2:34:00] Speaker 1: That is his name. YupInMyGreyT.
[2:34:02] Speaker 2: YupInMyGreyT. What's the brokest thing y'all still do? His examples
[2:34:07] Speaker 2: were eating ramen noodles, sneaking food into the movies. What
[2:34:10] Speaker 2: is the brokest thing y'all still do? You said the
[2:34:15] Speaker 2: brokest thing? What's the brokest thing y'all still do?
[2:34:19] Speaker 6: I mean, spending money on anything ain't broke.
[2:34:25] Speaker 1: Uh... I got, what, two coffee machines? Mm-hmm.
[2:34:30] Speaker 3: And I drive to the 76 station. Oh, yeah, the
[2:34:33] Speaker 3: Arco station to buy a dollar coffee.
[2:34:36] Speaker 1: At 4.30 every morning. That's fine. That is... Because it's
[2:34:41] Speaker 1: a dollar. Everyone else is $ 5. 00. I talk about five
[2:34:46] Speaker 1: miles for a dollar coffee every morning.
[2:34:47] Speaker 2: But you have two coffee machines literally located on this property.
[2:34:51] Speaker 1: Our staff uses one of them. I can't turn down
[2:34:53] Speaker 1: a great-ass price. One dollar. One dollar for some.
[2:34:57] Speaker 2: Gas station coffee instead of going to Starbucks and any
[2:35:00] Speaker 2: other coffee.
[2:35:00] Speaker 3: If anybody drink coffee, was it Lassen or was it
[2:35:05] Speaker 3: Lassen and Del Soto?
[2:35:06] Speaker 1: I'm ready for Lassen. You go all the way to... Yes!
[2:35:09] Speaker 1: It's a dollar coffee. One dollar. The gas you're spending, though.
[2:35:14] Speaker 1: It don't matter. I don't see the gas spending money.
[2:35:16] Speaker 1: I see that dollar. I just need to take out
[2:35:17] Speaker 1: my pocket. So I'm sitting there. One dollar. Trust me.
[2:35:22] Speaker 1: That brother's starving. Yeah, that brother's starving. Wife upstairs be like,
[2:35:28] Speaker 1: I can make you coffee. But it only costs a dollar.
[2:35:32] Speaker 1: It only costs a dollar. It costs a dollar. So Mr. B,
[2:35:37] Speaker 1: brokest thing you still do? Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
[2:35:40] Speaker 1: Peanut butter? Is it the goobers? The one that's mixed.
[2:35:44] Speaker 1: The goobers! The one that's mixed. The one that's mixed.
[2:35:46] Speaker 1: The one that's mixed. The one that's mixed. The one
[2:35:48] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The goobers! The one that's mixed. The one
[2:35:50] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The goobers! The one that's mixed. The one
[2:35:52] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The goobers! The one that's mixed. The one
[2:35:54] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The goobers! The one that's mixed. The one
[2:35:55] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The one that's mixed. The goobers! The one
[2:35:58] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The one that's mixed. The goobers! The one
[2:36:00] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The one that's mixed. The goobers! The one
[2:36:02] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The one that's mixed. The goobers! The one
[2:36:04] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The one that's mixed. The goobers! The one
[2:36:06] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The one that's mixed. The goobers! The one
[2:36:08] Speaker 1: that's mixed. The one that's mixed. Random ass whippers for
[2:36:11] Speaker 1: no reason. Peanut butter, yeah. Mr. Cemetery Lady. He should
[2:36:14] Speaker 1: be arrested for that. Brokest thing you still do?
[2:36:19] Speaker 10: I can't relate. I've moved up. I put all those
[2:36:24] Speaker 10: habits in the past. I put all the bad habits
[2:36:27] Speaker 10: in the past. I said, no, no, no. We go
[2:36:30] Speaker 10: hang with the white people today. We not going to
[2:36:33] Speaker 10: be on this broke shit.
[2:36:35] Speaker 2: I know y'all didn't ask, but the brokest thing I
[2:36:37] Speaker 2: still do is stay at Courtyard Marriott. Shout out to
[2:36:39] Speaker 2: Marriott and the Bonvoy family for getting these points up. Courtyard,
[2:36:43] Speaker 2: not a high-level Marriott, but nonetheless, it's the Courtyard.
[2:36:48] Speaker 1: Come on now. It's the Courtyard. NBA ticket giveaway. Let's go, baby.
[2:36:53] Speaker 2: We got it, but we appreciate y'all sticking with us.
[2:36:55] Speaker 2: We had that Jimmy Butler news. We had to go
[2:36:56] Speaker 2: a little long today. Still, we're white beaters?
[2:37:00] Speaker 1: Yes. That's not broke, though. That's a buzz. Now, you
[2:37:04] Speaker 1: got to get the beaters, bro. From Target? Yes, from Target.
[2:37:07] Speaker 4: Those are now known as wife- You get like 10
[2:37:10] Speaker 4: packs for the extra packs.
[2:37:11] Speaker 1: Oh, that's normal? Yes, normal. I was just there this morning, man.
[2:37:14] Speaker 1: I was just there. Now known as wife encouragers, Gil.
[2:37:16] Speaker 1: This is 2020. When it comes to food, I can't
[2:37:20] Speaker 1: relate to some of the broke food. You know what
[2:37:21] Speaker 1: I mean? Just take top. I do the broke food.
[2:37:23] Speaker 1: Pancake and a sausage on a stick. This has been
[2:37:26] Speaker 1: another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. We will
[2:37:31] Speaker 1: see y'all tomorrow. Sugar and white rice?

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