# Kyrie Irving's DEVASTATING Injury STUNS Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 5 Mar 2025, 2 h 38 min.

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Kyrie Irving's DEVASTATING Injury STUNS Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Kyrie Irving going down for the season with a Torn ACL and get real on the terrible luck that has cursed the Dallas Mavericks since the Luka Doncic trade, forcing them to make a push for playoffs without key stars Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis. They also react to reports that the Mavs are increasing ticket prices next season, starting a conversation on the state of the Mavericks franchise that has scorned their fans this season and gone from one of the most beloved NBA Franchises to deeply hated in just 1 month. Next, they break down another standout performance for NBA MVP favorite Shai Gilgeous Alexander as the OKC Thunder guard dropped his 4th 50 point game this season and debate if Shai is doing enough to hold off Nikola Jokic in the MVP race before reacting to Shai's decision to become his own agent ahead of a potentially massive pay day this offseason. They then react to the reports that the Phoenix Suns are aiming to trade Kevin Durant this offseason and debate if a new leadership style from Devin Booker & x-factor level play from Bol Bol is enough to turn this disappointing season for the Suns around. Finally, The Gil's Arena Crew reacts to James Harden changing the NCAA landscape by bankrolling his alma mater's NIL fund and debate if Jayson Tatum has enough on his resume to make him an all time great. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants & Brandon Jennings Gil's Arena Merch is Available NOW at https://gilsarenamerch.com/ Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena To get $15 off your first order and find out if prescription Ro Sparks are right for you. Connect with a provider at https://ro.co/GIL USE Code GIL10 for 10% off tickets on SeatGeek https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL10 SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Stream Josiah's Film "Memes & Nightmares" Available NOW on Hulu and Disney+ 0:00:00 2 Min Timer 0:02:02 Show Start 0:06:30 Josiah Gets A Surprise Gift From SLAM Magazine 0:09:53 Kyrie Irving Suffers Torn ACL 0:29:19 The Mavs Unfortunate Timeline 0:33:44 Mavs Raise Ticket Prices 0:46:07 Gil Compliments NBA Refs 0:54:32 Ty Jerome Calls Out Bad Refs 0:58:51 Shai Drops Another 50 Piece 1:06:16 How To Guard SGA 1:20:38 Shai vs Jokic For NBA MVP 1:35:13 Shai Becomes His Own Agent 1:54:01 Gil Admits To Being The First LeBron James Hater 1:57:45 Is Tatum On His Way To Being An All Time Great 2:06:29 How Foul Baiting Ruined The NBA 2:31:15 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Another lovely day here in the arena. How everybody feeling today?
[0:10] Speaker 1: We good?
[0:12] Speaker 2: The accessories ready to go? Got Mr. Feedback in here?
[0:17] Speaker 2: Red pill or blue pill, Gil? You already know what
[0:18] Speaker 2: time it is.
[0:20] Speaker 1: What does it actually mean? Red pill, you do what?
[0:23] Speaker 1: Blue pill, you do what? One or the other. One
[0:28] Speaker 1: you stay, one you Duh. Get to see how far
[0:30] Speaker 1: the rabbit hole goes. Oh.
[0:33] Speaker 2: But this is Gil's Arena presented by underdog Woot Woot.
[0:36] Speaker 2: As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us.
[0:38] Speaker 1: What you got on your feet? Huh? Uh-oh. Fear of gods.
[0:44] Speaker 1: What you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. All right, Jerry. Gil
[0:50] Speaker 1: going first. Jerry sent it straight to me like this.
[0:54] Speaker 1: First take one time, and here we are. Well, they
[0:56] Speaker 1: sent it to Elijah, and I just took it. Just
[0:58] Speaker 1: be honest. He said, he shit.
[1:01] Speaker 3: As soon as I see Elijah in this box open,
[1:06] Speaker 3: he at school, let me go ahead and get these.
[1:09] Speaker 1: I respect him.
[1:10] Speaker 2: And on this side of the couch, representing Tough Crowd,
[1:13] Speaker 2: Tough Crowd University, we got Mr. B, Brandon Jennings, back
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[1:16] Speaker 1: Oh!
[1:20] Speaker 2: And on this side, the man known as Cemetery Larry,
[1:23] Speaker 2: Rashad McCants, back in the arena. So for all the
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[1:35] Speaker 2: Here's what's cracking in the arena today. SGA dropped his
[1:39] Speaker 2: fourth 50-piece this season in the Thunder's win over the Rockets.
[1:42] Speaker 2: What more does Shea need to do this season to
[1:44] Speaker 2: secure his first MVP title? Joker jumped him on the
[1:48] Speaker 2: MVP ladder. Shea trying to get it back. Them 50
[1:51] Speaker 2: balls are going to definitely help out. In some unfortunate news,
[1:54] Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving out for the rest of the season with
[1:56] Speaker 2: a torn ACL. Where do Kyrie and the Mavs go
[1:59] Speaker 2: from here? Not looking good right now in Dallas. And
[2:02] Speaker 2: they're raising season ticket prices.
[2:06] Speaker 1: It's going down.
[2:07] Speaker 2: And Jason Tatum turned 27 Monday, but his accolades by
[2:11] Speaker 2: age 26 would already make him a first ballot Hall
[2:14] Speaker 2: of Famer. Does Tatum deserve more love for what he's
[2:16] Speaker 2: accomplished so far in his career? We will discuss. But
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[7:47] Speaker 2: But we're going to start this show with some unfortunate
[7:49] Speaker 2: news with the injury that happened last night.
[7:52] Speaker 1: So let's take a look.
[7:54] Speaker 2: So Kyrie Irving suffered a torn ACL in the first
[7:56] Speaker 2: quarter of the Mavs' home game against the Kings. Injury
[8:00] Speaker 2: occurred when Kyrie appeared to lose his balance after accidentally
[8:03] Speaker 2: stepping on the foot of Jonas Valanciunas, which caused him
[8:06] Speaker 2: to land awkwardly on his left leg. While Kyrie was
[8:10] Speaker 2: clearly in significant pain, Anthony Davis helped him to the
[8:13] Speaker 2: free throw line. So let's take one more look. It
[8:15] Speaker 2: looked bad right when you watched it, especially from this angle.
[8:18] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[8:22] Speaker 2: And the other leg, too.
[8:27] Speaker 1: Oh, man.
[8:28] Speaker 2: But just in case there was a chance that he
[8:31] Speaker 2: could reenter the game at a later point, Kyrie took
[8:34] Speaker 2: and sunk both of his free throws. He ended up
[8:37] Speaker 2: being the last two points that Kyrie scored this season.
[8:40] Speaker 2: Even had tears coming down his face at one point
[8:42] Speaker 2: while mouthing, thank you, God. Mavs fans gave Kyrie a
[8:45] Speaker 2: standing ovation and some MVP chance as well. After making
[8:50] Speaker 2: his free throws, Kyrie was subbed out of the game,
[8:52] Speaker 2: helped off the court. This morning it was confirmed that
[8:57] Speaker 2: it is indeed a torn ACL. So we'll talk about
[9:00] Speaker 2: the Mavs' injury issues overall in a second. But first, just,
[9:04] Speaker 2: you know, Mr. B, I know obviously you're very close
[9:06] Speaker 2: with Kyrie. Every time he comes to town, you pull
[9:07] Speaker 2: up to the games.
[9:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, his boys' fights, yeah.
[9:09] Speaker 2: Pull up to his crib, play on the grass, court
[9:12] Speaker 2: him out, do all that stuff. But what's your reaction
[9:14] Speaker 2: to Kyrie making his free throws after suffering a torn ACL?
[9:19] Speaker 1: Uh.
[9:19] Speaker 4: It reminds me of when Kobe tore his Achilles and,
[9:22] Speaker 4: you know, he wanted to finish what he started. But
[9:25] Speaker 4: I talked to his boy Spice. He said he's in
[9:27] Speaker 4: good spirits. You know, all you can do now is
[9:29] Speaker 4: just get ready for the summer. You know, just prepare
[9:34] Speaker 4: yourself and, you know, just try to get back to
[9:37] Speaker 4: who you were. Unfortunately, you know, just a situation where,
[9:41] Speaker 4: you know, a lot of bad things have been happening
[9:42] Speaker 4: in Dallas. So, but I just wish the best for him.
[9:48] Speaker 4: Because I know he's going to come back and, you know.
[9:52] Speaker 2: A dude who loves the game as much as Kyrie does.
[9:54] Speaker 2: Obviously been an ambassador to the game. Does a lot
[9:57] Speaker 2: of charitable stuff off the court as well.
[9:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:00] Speaker 2: Just unfortunate. Sad day, obviously. One year remaining on his contract,
[10:05] Speaker 2: but that is a player option, so has the potential
[10:07] Speaker 2: to become a free agent this summer. Let's move it
[10:09] Speaker 2: over to Sy Cemetery. Just a reaction to Kyrie suffering
[10:13] Speaker 2: a torn ACL out for the rest of the season
[10:14] Speaker 2: with the Mavs.
[10:17] Speaker 1: It was my team. My team, locked and loaded. All
[10:23] Speaker 1: our guys are down now. Literally, it's like turn of
[10:27] Speaker 1: the tide. Overnight, you can go right into rebuilding overnight.
[10:34] Speaker 1: Trying to figure out what's going to happen next year
[10:36] Speaker 1: because you can't put Anthony Davis in that front seat
[10:40] Speaker 1: without being in with that team. He only played one
[10:43] Speaker 1: game with that team. Looking to try to take them
[10:46] Speaker 1: for a playoff run with no... nobody that can really
[10:49] Speaker 1: kind of steer that ship.
[10:52] Speaker 2: It's tough.
[10:56] Speaker 4: It's unfortunate because everything you have to overcome too, Kyrie.
[11:01] Speaker 4: Like he, you know, got to the finals last year,
[11:02] Speaker 4: was playing, you know, playing great. You know, they were
[11:06] Speaker 4: trying to write him off. He, you know, got to Dallas,
[11:09] Speaker 4: you know, he turned the tables and then, you know,
[11:15] Speaker 4: just unfortunate.
[11:16] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely.
[11:18] Speaker 2: So, Gibbs, what's your reaction to hearing this news that
[11:20] Speaker 2: Kyrie out for the remainder of the season, torn ACL?
[11:23] Speaker 1: I mean, it's sad.
[11:24] Speaker 3: You know, when you go to the championship and, you know,
[11:30] Speaker 3: you get back some of your name that was, you know,
[11:33] Speaker 3: torn down in Brooklyn and, you know, you're getting a fresh.
[11:38] Speaker 1: Start, everything's moving forward. I mean, after the championship, I
[11:43] Speaker 1: think like six days later, seven days later, he was
[11:46] Speaker 1: playing at USC.
[11:48] Speaker 3: With all the young boys, like, shit, I can't take it.
[11:51] Speaker 3: He said, I ain't been, I ain't played this long
[11:54] Speaker 3: in a long time.
[11:54] Speaker 1: So, you know, he was already, you know, training, guiding,
[11:59] Speaker 1: mentoring the young. So you hate to see someone like
[12:02] Speaker 1: this get hurt. I was talking to Spice, what was it, Tuesday? Sunday.
[12:08] Speaker 3: So I was on YouTube, put the video up. It's
[12:12] Speaker 3: a 12-hour Kyrie video. And I'm just sitting there, three
[12:19] Speaker 3: hours later, I'm just sitting there, and I hit Spice like, yo,
[12:23] Speaker 3: he's a master at what he does. Like, he has
[12:29] Speaker 3: a master class in movement, where he puts his feet,
[12:34] Speaker 3: how he shifts players, his layup package. It's like, you know,
[12:39] Speaker 3: he's mastered, you know, the elements that he needs to
[12:42] Speaker 3: to get a shot off to get by people, so.
[12:45] Speaker 3: To see someone like that taking off their game when
[12:47] Speaker 3: they're just getting into their mojo again this season, it's sad.
[12:51] Speaker 1: So speedy recovery.
[12:54] Speaker 4: So with him getting hurt, he can opt in?
[12:59] Speaker 2: He's got a player option at the end of this season,
[13:02] Speaker 2: so he can opt out if he wants to.
[13:04] Speaker 1: If you're Kyrie, what do you do? At this point
[13:10] Speaker 1: in your career, how old is Kyrie?
[13:11] Speaker 2: I'll be 33 later this month. You opt in? Player option,
[13:21] Speaker 2: $ 44 million this summer.
[13:23] Speaker 1: Rob.
[13:24] Speaker 4: Because how long does he have until the next season?
[13:32] Speaker 2: No, I think he can opt player option this summer.
[13:34] Speaker 1: What is this, ACL? Torn ACL.
[13:36] Speaker 2: Torn ACL. What is that, nine, ten months? I think
[13:40] Speaker 2: at a minimum. Potential to return, I think.
[13:43] Speaker 4: I mean, in today's medical, who knows?
[13:45] Speaker 2: Could be quicker than that, but you've got to imagine
[13:47] Speaker 2: he'll be out until at least January, February next year.
[13:50] Speaker 1: It's 50-50.
[13:50] Speaker 3: It is really 50-50 at this point because if you
[13:55] Speaker 3: opt out, right, the leverage is yours in a sense
[14:00] Speaker 3: because they've lost so much, especially if you're trying to
[14:04] Speaker 3: stay there.
[14:04] Speaker 1: They lost so much.
[14:06] Speaker 3: And they can't afford for you to walk if they're
[14:08] Speaker 3: actually trying to win a championship, so they have to
[14:10] Speaker 3: actually negotiate. in fair terms. I mean, right now you
[14:19] Speaker 3: got all your leverage. You still got all the leverage
[14:22] Speaker 3: because of, you know, everything that's happening, right? So, you know,
[14:26] Speaker 3: you're opting out and you still have a lot of leverage.
[14:28] Speaker 3: You know, you're going to next year. Starting next season,
[14:32] Speaker 3: you won't start at the beginning of the season and
[14:35] Speaker 3: then they're going to use that season against you on
[14:36] Speaker 3: your play, you know.
[14:39] Speaker 1: If Anthony Davis is playing very well, MVP type, you know,
[14:43] Speaker 1: you kind of on the back burner on that one.
[14:46] Speaker 1: They can say, well, you know, this is the guy
[14:48] Speaker 1: right now, you know, boom, boom, boom. So it's... The
[14:51] Speaker 1: play probably is still opt out and then, you know,
[14:55] Speaker 1: what's up? Because if they don't and you sit here
[14:58] Speaker 1: and take your ass to the Lakers... Right? You know,
[15:04] Speaker 1: because remember.
[15:05] Speaker 3: You know, Bron is up too, so he can opt
[15:08] Speaker 3: out and sacrifice whatever.
[15:12] Speaker 1: For that. So, you know, there's plays there that, you know, like, yo,
[15:15] Speaker 1: you got to.
[15:16] Speaker 2: What do you think, Shot? He'll stay home. Kyrie eligible
[15:20] Speaker 2: to sign a five-year, $ 313 million extension this offseason. Not
[15:24] Speaker 2: saying he's going to get that, but that's what he's
[15:25] Speaker 2: eligible for. Just think about the narrative.
[15:28] Speaker 1: Everything he stands for, everything he's always stood for from
[15:31] Speaker 1: the Brooklyn situation, right? Waiting to get into a situation
[15:34] Speaker 1: that really welcomed him outside of that situation, right? In Brooklyn,
[15:39] Speaker 1: during the COVID situation, that put him in a state
[15:42] Speaker 1: of mind where he knew he had to find a tribe,
[15:45] Speaker 1: people who trusted him and his leadership.
[15:48] Speaker 2: I think he found that.
[15:49] Speaker 1: And I think just getting hurt don't propel him into
[15:53] Speaker 1: free agency thinking he got to find another home and
[15:55] Speaker 1: go through that process all over again. which is strenuous
[15:59] Speaker 1: in itself, trusting people you don't know, finding comfort. Then
[16:03] Speaker 1: you see them get rid of one of your brothers.
[16:04] Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask you. So you
[16:07] Speaker 2: find a tribe. Obviously, we know the relationship with Luca,
[16:09] Speaker 2: call each other Hermanos. Kyrie blindsided by that trade, just
[16:12] Speaker 2: like Luka is. This organization has made some moves now
[16:16] Speaker 2: that are extremely shaky, questionable. You got an injury-plagued roster.
[16:20] Speaker 2: You do have Anthony Davis. You got a nice young
[16:22] Speaker 2: core or big man once they do come.
[16:23] Speaker 1: Back and are healthy. It's part of the business. But
[16:26] Speaker 1: he knows that. You think he stays loyal to this
[16:28] Speaker 1: Mavs squad? So you don't think he's going to opt out?
[16:31] Speaker 1: I think the business of basketball, he understands it. And
[16:36] Speaker 1: I think if he had the choice, he would stay.
[16:39] Speaker 2: No, do you think he's going to opt out? You
[16:43] Speaker 2: think he opts into that final year? I think either
[16:45] Speaker 2: way he opts out. I'm sure the Mavs, you know,
[16:47] Speaker 2: at this point, Gil.
[16:48] Speaker 4: So if he opts out, that means he loses the
[16:50] Speaker 4: $ 44 million.
[16:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, he loses the $ 44 million. But he can sign
[16:52] Speaker 1: a new deal. He can sign a new deal.
[16:53] Speaker 2: Eligible for a five-year $ 313 million deal if he opts out.
[16:57] Speaker 3: So basically you opt out right now. You have anywhere from,
[17:01] Speaker 3: I'll say, 200 to 313.
[17:06] Speaker 1: For the Mavs to re-sign them?
[17:08] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[17:08] Speaker 1: Literally anybody.
[17:11] Speaker 2: The Mavs, I want to say, would probably be that 5-3-13.
[17:13] Speaker 3: No, but what I'm saying is with him being hurt,
[17:16] Speaker 3: they're going to try to negotiate anywhere from 200 to 313.
[17:18] Speaker 4: What's the difference if he hopped in?
[17:21] Speaker 1: 44.
[17:22] Speaker 4: Then he has to play for that next year.
[17:25] Speaker 1: I'm sure he could opt in and figure out a long-term.
[17:26] Speaker 1: But then after that, then what? He can extend. Yeah,
[17:30] Speaker 1: he can extend.
[17:30] Speaker 2: For the same amount, right? That's what I'm talking about.
[17:32] Speaker 2: So her numbers would be a little bit different just
[17:34] Speaker 2: with the increased salary.
[17:35] Speaker 1: Increased salary, so.
[17:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'll opt out so I can get my.
[17:40] Speaker 1: The reason I said opt out is. You injured.
[17:42] Speaker 4: I know, so I need to protect. That's why I'm
[17:44] Speaker 4: going to opt out so I can get my three,
[17:45] Speaker 4: four years.
[17:46] Speaker 2: Well, if you get less.
[17:48] Speaker 1: Can't. I'm eligible for five.
[17:51] Speaker 2: Okay.
[17:52] Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, if he opts out, what is
[17:54] Speaker 3: your leverage as Dallas Mavericks at that moment in time?
[17:58] Speaker 1: Remember, you lost one player. He's up, right?
[18:03] Speaker 3: And he's saying, all right, what's up? You really don't
[18:07] Speaker 3: have no wiggle room.
[18:07] Speaker 1: They can say they're going to rebuild.
[18:10] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, then if you do that, everything you
[18:14] Speaker 3: just said these last few months goes out of the window.
[18:19] Speaker 1: About Kyrie Irving? No, no, no.
[18:21] Speaker 2: About trying to win a championship.
[18:22] Speaker 1: You weren't trying to win a championship. Everybody just got hurt.
[18:24] Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, you got rid of your main
[18:27] Speaker 3: guy to win a championship, and then the other guy
[18:30] Speaker 3: is up. And you're going to say we're going to rebuild.
[18:37] Speaker 3: There's no coming back from the franchise.
[18:40] Speaker 1: We don't have a choice, but that's the only other choice.
[18:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[18:43] Speaker 1: You let him go and you rebuild it. Then you
[18:45] Speaker 1: got to let Anthony Davis go. So it's. Think about
[18:50] Speaker 1: none of that stuff was in the play. Anthony Davis
[18:53] Speaker 1: being your only option to get rid of the thing
[18:54] Speaker 1: you didn't want. We didn't ask for this, really, really. No,
[18:57] Speaker 1: we didn't. We got this, right? We didn't know what
[19:00] Speaker 1: we was going to do with Kai. Really, really.
[19:03] Speaker 2: So if you're them, you're thinking ahead with Luka.
[19:06] Speaker 1: You ain't thinking ahead with Kai and Anthony Davis now.
[19:09] Speaker 1: So that's why I say if the option is rebuild.
[19:12] Speaker 2: But the thing is, they weren't thinking ahead with Luka, obviously,
[19:14] Speaker 2: because they were even ahead.
[19:15] Speaker 1: They were.
[19:16] Speaker 2: But they were hesitant to want to sign him to
[19:17] Speaker 2: that long-term extension. That's what I'm saying.
[19:18] Speaker 1: They thinking ahead, like, oh, hey, hookah, beer, all this
[19:22] Speaker 1: other shit. You know what I'm saying? We looking ahead. Like,
[19:25] Speaker 1: all right, down the line, what are we going to do?
[19:27] Speaker 1: Are we going to rebuild, or are we going to
[19:29] Speaker 1: keep these core pieces? Yeah. They blew up the main piece,
[19:32] Speaker 1: like trading dirt in the whiskey. And Andy Davis is up. Right? AD,
[19:37] Speaker 1: I believe, is under contract. And ticket prices are going up.
[19:40] Speaker 1: He's got a player option. A lot going on over there.
[19:43] Speaker 2: So he's under contract for the next two full seasons.
[19:45] Speaker 1: They went too early. Ticket prices ain't going to be
[19:49] Speaker 1: worth nothing now.
[19:50] Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that same, but you got
[19:51] Speaker 2: Clay basically under contract through, you got a player option 2026.
[19:54] Speaker 2: AD got one 2027.
[19:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the.
[19:59] Speaker 2: He's watching Gafford up after next season as well.
[20:01] Speaker 3: So business, business, so that means if you wait to
[20:04] Speaker 3: next year, you, Gafford, and P.J.
[20:06] Speaker 1: Tucker, P.J. Washington fighting all for the same money. So
[20:10] Speaker 1: you might as well come right now. There's nobody.
[20:14] Speaker 3: And then, I mean, just let's be honest. They can't
[20:18] Speaker 3: afford to lose them because your championship thought process is gone.
[20:24] Speaker 3: All that raising ticket prices, brother, you got to come
[20:27] Speaker 3: all the way down.
[20:28] Speaker 1: You got to sell it.
[20:29] Speaker 3: You got to sell it like you're the Blazers because
[20:31] Speaker 3: you're not going to be able to raise ticket.
[20:32] Speaker 1: Prices just on Anthony Davis's name, right? So you opt
[20:36] Speaker 1: out and then what's up? hey, Bron over there trying to,
[20:42] Speaker 1: you know, Bron going to throw the A. Bron ain't
[20:45] Speaker 1: signed yet. He got free money over here.
[20:47] Speaker 2: Okay.
[20:47] Speaker 1: That scares the shit out of me. So tell me this.
[20:49] Speaker 1: So what would be the thing to do for you
[20:51] Speaker 1: to stay in playoff contention if you're Kyrie instead of
[20:54] Speaker 1: chasing the money? What is this? So I'm going to miss.
[20:58] Speaker 3: So 10 months. Let's just say it's a real 10 months.
[21:01] Speaker 3: And it's going to take longer. I mean, he's going
[21:03] Speaker 3: to come back next year. So you're pushing me all
[21:06] Speaker 3: the way basically to next all-star break.
[21:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[21:10] Speaker 1: And let's just say me and you are having a conversation,
[21:12] Speaker 1: me and AD, you and AD. We're having a conversation like,
[21:16] Speaker 1: let's give it that time for us both to be 100%
[21:19] Speaker 1: healthy and come back at the same time. But in reality,
[21:22] Speaker 1: this year's chop gone. Next year's gone. Not necessarily next year,
[21:29] Speaker 1: but this year for sure. No, no, next year's gone.
[21:32] Speaker 3: You have your best player not coming back until February.
[21:37] Speaker 3: the earliest, that means it's going to take him time
[21:40] Speaker 3: to get in motion.
[21:41] Speaker 1: You got off-season moves you can still make. You can
[21:44] Speaker 1: acquire pieces in the off-season before Kyrie get back. You
[21:46] Speaker 1: got to figure that out, too. You still got pieces
[21:48] Speaker 1: you can move. You still got pieces you... What I'm
[21:51] Speaker 1: saying is, if you're Kyrie and you're trying to say
[21:54] Speaker 1: playoff contention and what can I do on some Brunson-type
[21:59] Speaker 1: shit to help us stay in that while I'm recovering... No,
[22:05] Speaker 1: it's not. Instead of us going into, well, we don't
[22:08] Speaker 1: know if Kyrie's going to be Kyrie when he gets back.
[22:10] Speaker 1: Do we go into rebuild mode? What do we do
[22:12] Speaker 1: with AD? We didn't ask for this asset. Do we
[22:14] Speaker 1: move him? Or do we give them an opportunity and
[22:17] Speaker 1: a chance to actually fight for it? Do we give
[22:19] Speaker 1: them an opportunity? As a player, I already see who
[22:22] Speaker 1: you are.
[22:26] Speaker 2: Not together.
[22:27] Speaker 1: No, no, no. I already see who you was as
[22:29] Speaker 1: an organization. That's what I'm saying.
[22:30] Speaker 2: You're saying as a player, you've seen how the organization acts.
[22:33] Speaker 1: Yes, I already see you do business.
[22:34] Speaker 2: If the Mavs didn't want to give Luka.
[22:36] Speaker 1: That bread, how would they?
[22:38] Speaker 2: But is it about explaining why to the players?
[22:41] Speaker 1: No. For clarity?
[22:42] Speaker 2: But if you're Kyrie, you've seen Lucas spend his whole
[22:44] Speaker 2: career doing everything he's.
[22:45] Speaker 1: Done for that franchise.
[22:46] Speaker 4: What do you think they're going to do to him?
[22:48] Speaker 4: You just bought a 15-year-old house. Well, Kyrie is not
[22:50] Speaker 4: living the same lifestyle.
[22:51] Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, we don't know what his
[22:52] Speaker 1: lifestyle is. That's just an excuse. That's what they're saying. Right?
[22:55] Speaker 1: I mean, hookah and beer, that's the easiest thing in
[22:59] Speaker 1: the NBA. I know. We know that. We know that.
[23:02] Speaker 1: We know that. We're not saying that's the right thing
[23:04] Speaker 1: to say, but they're using that. So to use that is,
[23:07] Speaker 1: you know, I look past that. So if you're him....
[23:13] Speaker 3: You're really not trustworthy. But I can tell you this, though.
[23:19] Speaker 1: Why are you not, though? We welcomed you here. No, no, no, no, no.
[23:23] Speaker 1: The last nigga welcomed me here. Y'all didn't. Oh, you
[23:26] Speaker 1: talking about Cuban.
[23:27] Speaker 2: Cuban welcomed me here. Who sold, obviously, he doesn't control basketball.
[23:30] Speaker 2: So it's something deeper.
[23:32] Speaker 1: No, I mean, just look at it as just the
[23:35] Speaker 1: math side. You're missing this year. We have no hope.
[23:40] Speaker 3: Next year, with just Anthony Davis, you're coming back in February.
[23:45] Speaker 3: We already know what that looks like when you come back.
[23:48] Speaker 3: You're not going to be this Kyrie until the following season,
[23:51] Speaker 3: but you're going to be up next summer. So you're
[23:53] Speaker 3: going to play two months of basketball, and then I'm
[23:57] Speaker 3: going to come to you like, yeah, it is 16-4-2. Yeah,
[24:00] Speaker 3: you know, we're taking about 150, 150-4-4. Like, I really
[24:04] Speaker 3: get to negotiate with you now because you didn't really
[24:06] Speaker 3: have that year you wanted.
[24:08] Speaker 2: So I guess my question for you, Gil, Kyrie opts out.
[24:10] Speaker 2: Do you think he'll be able to get that $ 200- plus
[24:14] Speaker 2: million range just from what we've seen in the previous
[24:17] Speaker 2: seasons before he came to Dallas?
[24:18] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, from there, now that's where your agent
[24:22] Speaker 1: comes in at because now he has to look at
[24:24] Speaker 1: who has money. Like, it's all strategy, right?
[24:27] Speaker 3: You've got to look at what the play is around
[24:30] Speaker 3: the league. So I'm putting fillers out there who's opting
[24:34] Speaker 3: out like this is– This is about four or five
[24:38] Speaker 3: years from now, so you got to really secure your bag.
[24:41] Speaker 3: This is when you have to be active on the
[24:42] Speaker 3: phone as a player.
[24:43] Speaker 1: Okay, so at this point, you're Kyrie, you're hurt. You're
[24:47] Speaker 1: sitting at home, you're recovering. You're saying, I don't trust them. Right?
[24:52] Speaker 2: That's one.
[24:53] Speaker 1: I don't know this new teammate enough to be able
[24:55] Speaker 1: to say I'm going to commit because of him. What
[25:00] Speaker 1: about my other guys? Do I chase a ring or
[25:04] Speaker 1: do I build a fort? Who, Dallas? Kyrie.
[25:10] Speaker 4: Do I chase a ring? Do I build a foot?
[25:17] Speaker 4: At 33, Legacy Talk. We're right at Legacy Talk, too.
[25:22] Speaker 3: No, 33, you're really trying to secure it. I'm trying
[25:25] Speaker 3: to secure it. It's really more of bluffing than anything.
[25:31] Speaker 1: Which bluff? I'm opting out. Oh, that bluff. I'm opting out.
[25:36] Speaker 1: I'm opting out.
[25:38] Speaker 2: That's why I was thinking, I'm thinking, is that a
[25:40] Speaker 2: smart bluff?
[25:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. For him. In this angle, you coming back from injury.
[25:48] Speaker 1: And you're going into injury. But right now, thinking that
[25:52] Speaker 1: if Kyrie... No, what I'm.
[25:53] Speaker 3: Saying is, are you willing, are you willing as Dallas Mavericks,
[25:58] Speaker 3: with everything that's been happening, are you willing to take
[26:02] Speaker 3: that chance of me actually, something weird happening, and I
[26:06] Speaker 3: actually leave? Can you sit there with that next year,
[26:11] Speaker 3: this season, trying to explain what the fuck happened?
[26:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, if the goal is to rebuild.
[26:17] Speaker 3: I don't think Dallas recovers for a minute, just media-wise
[26:22] Speaker 3: and fan base-wise.
[26:23] Speaker 1: They just did it. They just did the biggest one ever.
[26:25] Speaker 1: They ain't recover. Oh, yeah, they still playing. I mean, yeah,
[26:29] Speaker 1: they got to play. They can't end the season. Boy,
[26:32] Speaker 1: the fans still showing up.
[26:33] Speaker 4: I don't think they recover at all. I think it's
[26:35] Speaker 4: a wrap. I think Dallas is a wrap, though.
[26:38] Speaker 1: No, no. If he leaves, you just lost to two
[26:41] Speaker 1: people in a freak accident way, the two people that
[26:45] Speaker 1: took you to the championship.
[26:50] Speaker 2: Mark Cuban is cheering. Mark Cuban's not got nothing to do.
[26:53] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, no, no, no. He's cheering. He's like, look
[26:56] Speaker 1: what happened.
[26:57] Speaker 5: Look what happened when I leave the fort. This is
[27:01] Speaker 5: what happened when I ain't doing this shit. Fuck this
[27:04] Speaker 5: whole shit up. Let's go deeper into the situation going
[27:06] Speaker 5: on in Dallas right now. Kyrie, unfortunately, out for the season.
[27:09] Speaker 5: Daniel Gafford, Derek Liley, P.J. Washington out for shorter periods
[27:12] Speaker 5: of time. Jaden Hardy also left that game Monday with
[27:14] Speaker 5: an ankle sprain. So let's look at what's happened with
[27:17] Speaker 5: the Mavs since the start of this 2025 season.
[27:21] Speaker 2: 24-25 season. We got the Derek Lively ankle stress fracture.
[27:24] Speaker 2: Luka traded. AD strained adductor. Gaffer sprained MCL. Quentin Grimes,
[27:28] Speaker 2: who they traded. Doing work in Philly.
[27:31] Speaker 1: 44-piece.
[27:32] Speaker 2: Obviously, look at Jalen Brumson. What he was doing, they
[27:35] Speaker 2: didn't want to give him the bread. Lakers move up
[27:38] Speaker 2: to the 2C. Shout out to Underdog NBA. They don't
[27:39] Speaker 2: really have anything to do with much, but we did
[27:41] Speaker 2: get Luka, and we are on the way to another title.
[27:44] Speaker 2: Mavs also announced season ticket price increases the same day
[27:48] Speaker 2: that Kyrie Irving Tears his ACL. And to add to
[27:52] Speaker 2: all that, today Shams is reporting that it's not out
[27:55] Speaker 2: of the realm of possibility that AD does not suit
[27:57] Speaker 2: up again for the Mavs this season. According to Shams,
[28:00] Speaker 2: AD's talking to his representation, trying to figure out what
[28:03] Speaker 2: the best move is going forward. Dallas currently 32-30, holding
[28:07] Speaker 2: on the last playing spot in the West by three
[28:09] Speaker 2: and a half games over the Suns. You think the
[28:12] Speaker 2: Mavs are still a playing team despite all these injuries?
[28:15] Speaker 2: Shams reported that, what time? He reported that today on
[28:19] Speaker 2: Pat McAfee's show.
[28:20] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I could have told you that. When did
[28:23] Speaker 1: he get hurt?
[28:24] Speaker 2: AD got hurt his first game with the Mavs.
[28:26] Speaker 1: He hurt his coochie first game. Yeah, it was over then.
[28:33] Speaker 1: That was it. It was over then. I could have
[28:34] Speaker 1: told you that. We could have told you all that.
[28:38] Speaker 1: That's it. That's the end of it. Let it go.
[28:41] Speaker 1: Because the things he got to do just to get to.
[28:44] Speaker 4: The AFC, yeah, he wasn't coming back, Blair. Yo, I
[28:49] Speaker 4: don't think Dallas ever recovers, man. I think it's time
[28:52] Speaker 4: for Dallas to move on.
[28:52] Speaker 1: Bam.
[28:52] Speaker 2: Like, I'm talking about get out of Dallas.
[28:55] Speaker 1: So, A.D.
[28:56] Speaker 2: Got hurt that first game against the Rockets.
[28:57] Speaker 1: Excuse me.
[28:58] Speaker 2: He also got hurt against the Sixers, which was his
[28:59] Speaker 2: last game with the Lakers.
[29:01] Speaker 1: Wait, what? So, A.D.
[29:02] Speaker 2: Last game against the Lakers. He had that injury before
[29:05] Speaker 2: the trade. No, no, we knew that. First game with
[29:07] Speaker 2: the Mavs against the Rockets. Yeah, okay.
[29:09] Speaker 1: Back on February 8th. February 8th. That was it. Right there.
[29:12] Speaker 1: February 8th, Shams. That was the real date that he decided.
[29:16] Speaker 1: Wasn't coming back after a while.
[29:19] Speaker 2: I mean, if Kyrie stays healthy, the rest of these
[29:23] Speaker 2: guys are going to be.
[29:24] Speaker 1: Coming back soon.
[29:25] Speaker 2: This team had short-term championship aspirations.
[29:28] Speaker 1: No, that's media shit. It was in Tim's spot this
[29:31] Speaker 1: whole time. He comes back to, what, play in the play-in.
[29:35] Speaker 3: Game, fight for this, just to play eighth seed.
[29:38] Speaker 1: Like, that is a hard, that is a hard road
[29:43] Speaker 1: right there.
[29:44] Speaker 3: This is not like the team was sitting at third, fourth. Like,
[29:47] Speaker 3: you're talking about the tenth seed that has to fight
[29:51] Speaker 3: for a play-in, then fight again for the eighth seed,
[29:55] Speaker 3: then play the number one seed.
[29:57] Speaker 1: Good luck. Like... Yeah.
[30:01] Speaker 2: Just for five extra days.
[30:02] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[30:02] Speaker 3: He would be coming back if there was the four,
[30:06] Speaker 3: like healthy. If there was a 3-4 seed, hell yeah,
[30:08] Speaker 3: you'd come back because you're right there.
[30:10] Speaker 2: But at this point, Mavs are only a game and
[30:12] Speaker 2: a half behind the Warriors for the sixth spot.
[30:14] Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
[30:15] Speaker 2: So before this Kyrie injury news, they were still well
[30:20] Speaker 2: within a contention of not getting out of the plane
[30:21] Speaker 2: and getting an actual playoff spot.
[30:23] Speaker 1: Actually moving to three. You know what I'm saying? Like
[30:26] Speaker 1: there was.
[30:27] Speaker 2: If eight.
[30:27] Speaker 1: They just saw a bunch of hypotheticals, though, but it's like.
[30:30] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But if you look at
[30:31] Speaker 2: the way the West is structured right now.
[30:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was easy. Y'all sound, you sound, you know what?
[30:36] Speaker 2: You sound like a game and a half out of
[30:39] Speaker 2: the six spots still.
[30:40] Speaker 1: The Lakers are number two right now.
[30:41] Speaker 2: That's how easy it is. That's what actually showed the difficulty.
[30:44] Speaker 1: See how fucking easy that was? It showed the difficulty.
[30:47] Speaker 1: It was that easy.
[30:47] Speaker 2: You went from, oh, shit, this shit been sinking to, hey, hey, hey,
[30:51] Speaker 2: we done patched this shit up.
[30:53] Speaker 1: You just said the same thing.
[30:56] Speaker 3: That Philly was saying to themselves, them keeping them.
[30:59] Speaker 1: Beat in there. We only half a game out of fifth.
[31:03] Speaker 1: We only two games out of third. Like, shut up.
[31:08] Speaker 1: He sees it over with, dog. You're in 12th spot
[31:14] Speaker 1: talking about, yeah, we only a game and a half.
[31:16] Speaker 1: It is the Eastern Conference. We only a game and
[31:19] Speaker 1: a half out of Worcester, so you got to play. Man, no.
[31:23] Speaker 1: You in 12th spot. Everybody thinking the same. So we
[31:29] Speaker 1: asked the chat, will the Mavs even make the play-in? 88%
[31:32] Speaker 1: of the chat says no.
[31:33] Speaker 2: So let's talk about the decision the Mavs made Monday
[31:36] Speaker 2: before Kyrie's injury. Mavs announced Monday they will be raising
[31:39] Speaker 2: season ticket prices for next season. Costs will go up
[31:41] Speaker 2: an average of 8.6%. with the team saying the increased
[31:45] Speaker 2: prices are due to ongoing investments in the team and
[31:48] Speaker 2: fan engagement.
[31:52] Speaker 1: Sorry.
[31:52] Speaker 2: Nine months after an NBA Finals appearance, Mavs are now
[31:55] Speaker 2: dealing with a rash of injuries after trading Luka in
[31:57] Speaker 2: a surprise move.
[31:59] Speaker 1: During their blowout loss.
[32:00] Speaker 2: To the Kings Monday after Kyrie left the game, thousands
[32:03] Speaker 2: of fans could be seen leaving the arena before the
[32:05] Speaker 2: start of the fourth quarter. I think they were losing
[32:07] Speaker 2: by like 28 at that point. Smart move for the
[32:11] Speaker 2: Mavs to raise season ticket prices.
[32:13] Speaker 1: For next season. I mean, obviously it sounds dumb right now, right?
[32:18] Speaker 1: Because they did it before the game. You know what?
[32:22] Speaker 1: How much money do they have? Who, the Mavs?
[32:25] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[32:26] Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot. No, no, no. More than me.
[32:28] Speaker 3: No, I mean, how much free agency money do they
[32:32] Speaker 3: actually have?
[32:34] Speaker 1: What kind of cap space do they have?
[32:36] Speaker 2: If Kyrie opts in, they have $ 193 million committed for
[32:40] Speaker 2: next season if Kyrie opts in. So they also have
[32:43] Speaker 2: their draft pick, 25, 26, but it gets a little
[32:45] Speaker 2: shaky after that.
[32:46] Speaker 1: How much cap space?
[32:48] Speaker 2: I believe they would be.
[32:48] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you.
[32:49] Speaker 2: I don't know what the cap is going to be.
[32:50] Speaker 1: How much money are they spending? How much money do
[32:52] Speaker 1: they have left over after they spend it?
[32:55] Speaker 2: I imagine not a lot. Again, it depends on if
[32:57] Speaker 2: Kyrie opts in or not. Kyrie opts in, they do
[33:00] Speaker 2: not have much flexibility and free agency to get moves made.
[33:03] Speaker 1: Because raising your price, wait. With no extra, it's not
[33:10] Speaker 1: like you've been on a nine-game winning streak or no
[33:13] Speaker 1: shit like that. You just traded the face of the friend.
[33:16] Speaker 3: It's like, do you have somebody coming in this summer
[33:20] Speaker 3: that we don't know?
[33:21] Speaker 1: No.
[33:22] Speaker 3: Do you know, like, is there somebody in a free
[33:24] Speaker 3: agency that you already made a deal with that's coming
[33:27] Speaker 3: to you.
[33:27] Speaker 1: Guys and y'all raising the price now?
[33:29] Speaker 2: Announcement made Monday before Kyrie gets hurt. I think in
[33:31] Speaker 2: their mind, they say, we got Kyrie, we got AD,
[33:34] Speaker 2: we got Klay, we got the young boys.
[33:38] Speaker 4: Say that again?
[33:39] Speaker 2: No, they got Kyrie.
[33:40] Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything because I already know
[33:41] Speaker 1: how you're moving. Kyrie. Okay. I got Anthony Davis. Yes.
[33:46] Speaker 4: I lost.
[33:48] Speaker 3: Luka got Anthony Davis and then now decide to raise
[33:52] Speaker 3: the price?
[33:54] Speaker 1: Look like... Filet mignon to New York strip and I
[33:57] Speaker 1: want to raise the price of the steak? With the
[33:59] Speaker 1: proper marination, a New York strip could taste like filet mignon.
[34:02] Speaker 2: What?
[34:03] Speaker 1: Lay over the cap. Yeah, I'm saying that. 193 if
[34:04] Speaker 1: Kyrie opts in. If he dips....
[34:09] Speaker 4: We opts out of that deal. They got a little
[34:11] Speaker 4: wiggle room, but not a ton. It looks like they
[34:13] Speaker 4: trying to trade. It looks like they trying to change
[34:15] Speaker 4: the area code, man.
[34:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, because this is hotel water.
[34:19] Speaker 4: It looks like they about to move them, boys.
[34:23] Speaker 2: This Fiji costs $ 14. They about to move them, boys. Yeah,
[34:27] Speaker 2: they about to change the area code. Man, I just
[34:29] Speaker 2: told you all that. This summer is going to be
[34:32] Speaker 2: a big summer.
[34:33] Speaker 4: They about to move them, boys. Ticket prices going up.
[34:35] Speaker 1: With nobody there. I don't think they can move them. No.
[34:39] Speaker 1: I think owners have to agree.
[34:40] Speaker 2: I think a certain percentage of owners have to agree
[34:42] Speaker 2: on a relocation.
[34:44] Speaker 1: You want some money?
[34:45] Speaker 2: There were some speculation that the franchise was trying to
[34:48] Speaker 2: strong arm the state to be able to get, they
[34:49] Speaker 2: want to build an arena with a casino attached to it.
[34:52] Speaker 1: Listen, bro. So they're trying to bluff too?
[34:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, they about to area code.
[34:59] Speaker 1: We can do what we want now. Remember that. We
[35:01] Speaker 1: own it. It's ours. We can do what we want.
[35:03] Speaker 4: Y'all seen the movie Eddie?
[35:06] Speaker 1: Great film.
[35:07] Speaker 3: What's so funny is At the end of the day,
[35:11] Speaker 3: if they in the business of casino, they do not
[35:14] Speaker 3: give a fuck about the basketball park.
[35:15] Speaker 1: No, it's money. They make profit.
[35:17] Speaker 3: So what happens is, so what ends up happening is,
[35:21] Speaker 3: they could be just sabotaging the actual team.
[35:25] Speaker 1: Yes. Just to say, yo, we need to get out
[35:27] Speaker 1: of this place. Let's move to Vegas. Yes.
[35:29] Speaker 3: So they can freak out in the city because the
[35:32] Speaker 3: team will be leaving. And they'll be like, okay, you
[35:34] Speaker 3: can build a casino.
[35:35] Speaker 1: Yep. Boom. You can have what you want. Yes, I'm
[35:36] Speaker 1: telling you. Have a casino. Kyrie, you can leave.
[35:39] Speaker 3: What's your name? With the brow, you can leave. I
[35:41] Speaker 3: don't give a fuck about none of that.
[35:42] Speaker 1: Right. Because my money is made here. This is a
[35:44] Speaker 1: tax write-off now. If I'm an owner, I want to
[35:46] Speaker 1: know how this team's going to make me money. Yep.
[35:49] Speaker 1: And if this team, if I'm looking at, all right,
[35:51] Speaker 1: I don't think Luka's going to make me no money.
[35:53] Speaker 2: If I got to pay him all this money, nah,
[35:55] Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.
[35:56] Speaker 1: Okay, he's not going to give me my money back either.
[35:58] Speaker 1: Or him. I need this casino. This casino is going
[36:02] Speaker 1: to give me my money back.
[36:03] Speaker 2: Because that's how we can afford them now.
[36:04] Speaker 1: Man, we can afford them now. I'm not just spending
[36:07] Speaker 1: my money. You know, people don't like to spend their
[36:09] Speaker 1: own money. We're not spending our money. Where the money
[36:11] Speaker 1: at are we going to spend to pay them? We're
[36:13] Speaker 1: not doing it. What's the owner name? She's a girl.
[36:15] Speaker 1: She's a lady, right? It's a family.
[36:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, so they own the Sands. Used to have a
[36:19] Speaker 2: nice hotel in Vegas back in the day. They know
[36:21] Speaker 2: that's Vegas.
[36:23] Speaker 1: I believe that.
[36:23] Speaker 4: They're sabotaging the team because.
[36:25] Speaker 1: They want to move the team.
[36:28] Speaker 3: I mean, for the most part, I don't know now, today,
[36:31] Speaker 3: but for the most part, these NBA, NFL teams aren't there.
[36:39] Speaker 1: That's not how they made their money. There's only a
[36:40] Speaker 1: few owners that made their money from this team, right? Mm-hmm.
[36:45] Speaker 1: Everybody else is just, these are the write-offs. Like, Ballmer,
[36:48] Speaker 1: he didn't make his money from the Clippers. Yes.
[36:51] Speaker 2: Ballmer calling the rest of the owners of the league
[36:52] Speaker 2: broke boys and girls.
[36:53] Speaker 1: Broke boys. Like, he didn't make his money from the, like,
[36:55] Speaker 1: I can buy at least four or five of y'all.
[36:58] Speaker 1: What's happening? Y'all need some loans? I can loan y'all
[37:01] Speaker 1: some money.
[37:02] Speaker 3: You need to, hey, hey, hey. Hey, you need to re,
[37:04] Speaker 3: you know, you need to, you need a new gym?
[37:05] Speaker 3: You ain't even going to hear it. Pay back 10% interest.
[37:08] Speaker 2: I think Ballmer has more money than all the other
[37:09] Speaker 2: owners combined. It might be tripping with that number.
[37:13] Speaker 1: It's a hobby.
[37:13] Speaker 4: The club is a hobby.
[37:15] Speaker 1: Hey, Blazers, what's happening over there? Hey, I seen your
[37:17] Speaker 1: arena looks kind of ashy in this mother... And let
[37:21] Speaker 1: me go ahead and give you a little billion dollars.
[37:23] Speaker 1: Go ahead and remodel. Go ahead and give me back 25%
[37:26] Speaker 1: on that.
[37:26] Speaker 2: What's happening?
[37:27] Speaker 4: I'm bored.
[37:29] Speaker 2: I'm bored, money.
[37:31] Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying.
[37:33] Speaker 3: They don't have to be in the business of basketball,
[37:35] Speaker 3: so We really have to see what they.
[37:38] Speaker 1: Are actually about. And that's what I'm saying.
[37:41] Speaker 3: The whole Lucas slander is like, well, if your motive
[37:46] Speaker 3: is to really just get a casino and pull these
[37:49] Speaker 3: moves and you moved him to show that you're willing
[37:52] Speaker 3: to do whatever, that would be fucked up to throw
[37:54] Speaker 3: all that dirt on his name just because you're trying
[37:57] Speaker 3: to make a move and justify it.
[37:59] Speaker 4: Well, not just his, Nico too. Nico the fall guy.
[38:02] Speaker 4: He's a guy to be able to pull. As it
[38:04] Speaker 4: tends to go. Just throw it all in. He was
[38:06] Speaker 4: definitely a part of it now.
[38:08] Speaker 1: Yeah. But he's the... Now, he ain't a part of it.
[38:10] Speaker 1: This is what you're going to do. Yeah.
[38:13] Speaker 4: This is what you're going to do. You like your checks, right?
[38:17] Speaker 4: Throw him under the bus.
[38:18] Speaker 2: So, do you guys feel bad for Mavs fans at
[38:19] Speaker 2: this point?
[38:21] Speaker 1: No. Damn. No, I mean... A fine fan base. Because
[38:25] Speaker 1: it's business. Business.
[38:27] Speaker 4: You're not giving me what I want. When you benefit
[38:29] Speaker 4: from it, you happy. When you in the shit, you
[38:31] Speaker 4: in the shit, it stinks.
[38:33] Speaker 2: But I mean, we've seen the reaction after the Luca trade,
[38:35] Speaker 2: makeshift funerals.
[38:38] Speaker 1: I feel sad. with the smile on the inside. It's
[38:45] Speaker 1: just like an enemy, you know, is gone, and you
[38:48] Speaker 1: sitting there. That's what I'm doing, because I feel sad,
[38:53] Speaker 1: but we got Lucas, so I'm not that sad.
[38:56] Speaker 2: So going to one of your biggest haters' funerals.
[38:58] Speaker 1: Oh, man.
[39:03] Speaker 4: I mean, to see that franchise crumble, though.
[39:08] Speaker 2: Like, I mean, but you got Mark Cuban, for the
[39:10] Speaker 2: longest time, one of the best owners in the league.
[39:12] Speaker 2: He sells majority stake. Still involved in the franchise. We
[39:15] Speaker 2: see when the Mavs played the Lakers, we were at
[39:17] Speaker 2: that game. Thank you to Underdog. But you got Cuban
[39:19] Speaker 2: with Luka's family, hugging it up. I'm just saying, he
[39:22] Speaker 2: didn't have any knowledge of that deal. I don't think
[39:24] Speaker 2: he would have ever got rid of Luka.
[39:25] Speaker 1: Of course he wouldn't have. He's had dirt. What? Wait,
[39:30] Speaker 1: hold on. Think about everybody he's had as a owner.
[39:36] Speaker 2: He didn't have to pay them that.
[39:39] Speaker 1: But the prices at that moment in time.
[39:42] Speaker 2: You don't know what I'm saying. Hey, I got to.
[39:45] Speaker 1: Pay Dirk 85? Yeah. No, but what I'm saying is...
[39:49] Speaker 1: Back then, though. Back then, you got... Back then, you
[39:52] Speaker 1: got to pay Dirk $ 85. It was $ 85 compared to that.
[39:54] Speaker 4: That's a lot.
[39:55] Speaker 1: But $ 25 was a lot. $ 25 was crazy. Look, Dirk
[39:56] Speaker 1: Nowinski in the league that we was in, $ 85 million?
[39:59] Speaker 1: No way.
[40:00] Speaker 4: Going to figure something out. No, but he's a Supermax player.
[40:02] Speaker 4: Mark can't afford that.
[40:14] Speaker 2: That's the point.
[40:15] Speaker 1: I'm the billionaire.
[40:16] Speaker 2: Mark got Shark Tank bread.
[40:17] Speaker 1: He wasn't at that point. But that wasn't the contract
[40:20] Speaker 1: he's in. But he's paying those deals. We're not even
[40:22] Speaker 1: saying the contract he's in. I'm talking about the money
[40:24] Speaker 1: now back then.
[40:26] Speaker 2: We're talking about 80, you're going to pay Dirk 85 million.
[40:29] Speaker 1: Nobody can afford to. Exactly. It's like right now. They
[40:32] Speaker 1: can't afford it right now. Except for Ballmer. That's why
[40:34] Speaker 1: they didn't do it. They couldn't afford it. Yes, they can.
[40:37] Speaker 1: They can.
[40:38] Speaker 2: They were kind of strong on it.
[40:40] Speaker 1: Ballmer can afford it. Dallas couldn't afford it.
[40:41] Speaker 4: That's why they needed the casino.
[40:42] Speaker 1: Yes.
[40:43] Speaker 2: They couldn't afford to pay Luka 85 million. It's a
[40:46] Speaker 2: casino family that bought it.
[40:48] Speaker 1: They don't got it. But you need the cash. I
[40:51] Speaker 1: don't need no other. I don't need no partners.
[40:53] Speaker 2: But they need a.
[40:54] Speaker 1: Casino to run the money through. We need to. How
[40:56] Speaker 1: many partners do they have? Ozark, what you call that shit? Ozark.
[40:58] Speaker 2: Dumont, I don't know. Let me look, Gil.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Because this is not a group of investors. Yeah. Succession, man.
[41:07] Speaker 1: It's just like the Waltons buying something. They ain't never
[41:09] Speaker 1: seen Succession.
[41:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, but I'm saying, like, we not paying
[41:12] Speaker 4: you that.
[41:13] Speaker 1: Like, the casino won't pay you.
[41:14] Speaker 2: Dumont is in the Adelson family as well, so. So
[41:17] Speaker 2: it's just one family.
[41:19] Speaker 3: So it's not like they have a whole bunch of people,
[41:21] Speaker 3: Jay-Z buying in, got us shit, 5%.
[41:23] Speaker 4: No, we don't need y'all, buddy. So it's... Right, so
[41:28] Speaker 4: we're not going to pay you... We're not.
[41:30] Speaker 1: That's a big.
[41:30] Speaker 4: Like, the casino's going to pay you.
[41:32] Speaker 1: Me, Brandon, and Josiah sitting around like, hey, man, y'all
[41:34] Speaker 1: really want to pay this nigga $ 85 million, bro? Buffet coupon.
[41:37] Speaker 1: We can go do some other shit with this money. Yeah, like.
[41:40] Speaker 4: If we're going to pay him.
[41:41] Speaker 2: 85, give us the casino.
[41:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. That will pay him. That will pay him. Yeah,
[41:44] Speaker 1: we got casinos paying him. And then we asking each other.
[41:46] Speaker 1: I just want a casino. Hey, Joe, you going to
[41:48] Speaker 1: pay him? You going to pay him out of your lot? Hey,
[41:50] Speaker 1: you going to pay him out of your stash? I
[41:52] Speaker 1: ain't paying him out of my stash either. Where are
[41:54] Speaker 1: we going to get rid of him? I ain't paying
[41:56] Speaker 1: him out of my stash.
[41:56] Speaker 4: Because this casino is going to be here for a
[41:58] Speaker 4: long time.
[41:59] Speaker 1: It's going to be here longer than him. Dad said
[42:01] Speaker 1: get the casino. You know why I want a casino here?
[42:03] Speaker 3: Because I'm paying him to stay here and play.
[42:09] Speaker 1: I'm going to pay you $ 300 million, $ 400 million.
[42:12] Speaker 3: Hopefully you have a bad habit and you spend it.
[42:14] Speaker 1: All back in the casino. Yeah. Yeah. Shit, I'm going
[42:18] Speaker 1: to get my money back. You're not going nowhere. No.
[42:22] Speaker 1: This is home. And debt for life.
[42:25] Speaker 6: What?
[42:25] Speaker 2: On the books.
[42:26] Speaker 1: The hell you going to Vegas for, right, son? We're
[42:28] Speaker 1: trying to get our money back. We're going to pump
[42:30] Speaker 1: that air out. Keep you here all day.
[42:33] Speaker 2: You can smoke all the hookah you want.
[42:35] Speaker 1: Kyrie, get Luca and tell him we got a hookah lounge.
[42:38] Speaker 1: With beer. We got a beer hookah lounge. A hookah lounge.
[42:44] Speaker 1: I like that.
[42:45] Speaker 2: A hookah lounge.
[42:47] Speaker 1: That's all right. All right. Well, let's keep this thing going.
[42:49] Speaker 1: You know how horrible that is? I just thought about it.
[42:52] Speaker 1: You know how much.
[42:54] Speaker 4: What's the hookah lounge everybody go to now?
[42:56] Speaker 1: What? What? Listen, the advances that's going to be given
[43:02] Speaker 1: out to your players? What? How many people are moving
[43:06] Speaker 1: to Dallas when they get the casino popping?
[43:10] Speaker 2: Well, shout out to the Mavs. Hopefully it works out.
[43:12] Speaker 2: I'm getting the crib down. I'm telling you. But let's
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[44:01] Speaker 2: we're going to talk about something you posted on your
[44:03] Speaker 2: IG recently. So over the weekend, You posted a reel
[44:06] Speaker 2: from content creator John Boy about a heated discussion between
[44:09] Speaker 2: an official and Nuggets head coach Michael Malone from last season.
[44:13] Speaker 2: Let's take a look at it.
[44:14] Speaker 7: How the fuck is that not a charge? That's a
[44:18] Speaker 7: fucking charge. That's a fucking charge. Mark, that's a charge.
[44:24] Speaker 7: That's a fucking charge. Fuck me, motherfucker.
[44:28] Speaker 1: What do you mean he's not planted? He's not planted.
[44:32] Speaker 1: And then over there, he always not. And here's the play.
[44:35] Speaker 1: What do you got? Planted? Not planted? Charge? No charge?
[44:41] Speaker 2: Exquisite lip reading by John Boyd. So, Gil, you posted
[44:44] Speaker 2: the video with the following caption. You said, this is
[44:47] Speaker 2: what a ref who understands in-game emotion looks like. Mark
[44:50] Speaker 2: didn't give a tech. He yelled back and stated his point.
[44:54] Speaker 2: Fire emoji, fire emoji. Didn't use his power to toss
[44:57] Speaker 2: them because he was secure with his call.
[44:59] Speaker 1: 100 emoji.
[45:02] Speaker 2: You don't always compliment refs on this show. Actually, very rarely.
[45:05] Speaker 2: I have high school refs all around the city looking
[45:08] Speaker 2: for me every time I roll up. We see you
[45:10] Speaker 2: in the show. I always got to say, not you, sir.
[45:12] Speaker 2: Just your counterparts. But what stood out to you about
[45:16] Speaker 2: the way the ref handled that situation in the clip?
[45:20] Speaker 1: The refs have all the power, right?
[45:24] Speaker 3: No matter what you do, they're immune to.
[45:29] Speaker 1: You know, Criticism. So the fact that, you know, this
[45:35] Speaker 1: is something that happened in real time, right?
[45:39] Speaker 3: There's a difference between someone nagging all game and you
[45:42] Speaker 3: got to keep reminding them, hey, man, if you don't,
[45:44] Speaker 3: I'm going to give you a tech, I'm going to
[45:46] Speaker 3: give you, you keep, the fact that that's very different
[45:49] Speaker 3: than someone who's reacting in real time. And most referees
[45:54] Speaker 3: try to make up their mistake by giving players texts,
[45:58] Speaker 3: knowing that If you're heated and I give you a tech,
[46:02] Speaker 3: you're not a fucking TV.
[46:04] Speaker 1: I can't turn you off, right? You're going to still
[46:06] Speaker 1: be saying something. Because now you're mad I gave you
[46:09] Speaker 1: a tech.
[46:09] Speaker 3: Now I can kick you out, right? So it's this
[46:12] Speaker 3: whole bait and switch routine. So the fact to see
[46:15] Speaker 3: a ref have the dialogue.
[46:19] Speaker 1: You're wrong.
[46:19] Speaker 4: This is it.
[46:20] Speaker 1: Even if he's wrong, he's having a dialogue. You cussing
[46:23] Speaker 1: at me, I'm cussing back at you. And that's the
[46:26] Speaker 1: end of it. A player respects that. Like, if I'm
[46:30] Speaker 1: acting like a bitch, call me that.
[46:35] Speaker 3: Versus giving me the tech. The tech means I'm not even... Like, no,
[46:39] Speaker 3: I'd rather you just call me.
[46:40] Speaker 2: So you'd rather the ref just say, Gil, you're acting
[46:42] Speaker 2: like a bitch.
[46:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[46:43] Speaker 2: But no tech. Yeah.
[46:44] Speaker 1: You're bitching too much. Shut up.
[46:46] Speaker 3: Like, I'd rather you talk to me like I'm talking
[46:49] Speaker 3: to you versus you trying to use your power to.
[46:51] Speaker 1: Give me the... So you don't think.
[46:54] Speaker 4: So he didn't get a tech for that?
[46:55] Speaker 1: No. Nobody got a tech. So if we're running up
[46:56] Speaker 1: on him, he didn't get a tech? No.
[46:58] Speaker 4: I think he should have got a tech for running
[47:00] Speaker 4: up on him and bumping his chest. Like, don't touch me.
[47:04] Speaker 1: He didn't bump his chest. You want to run it back?
[47:07] Speaker 1: He was just there.
[47:08] Speaker 2: Can we run it back? Can we run the clip back, please?
[47:11] Speaker 1: I mean, you can say what you want.
[47:12] Speaker 7: How the fuck is that not a charge? That's a
[47:15] Speaker 7: fucking charge.
[47:16] Speaker 1: That's a fucking charge. Don't make contact with me, though. Mark,
[47:19] Speaker 1: that's a charge. You can say what you want, but
[47:21] Speaker 1: don't make contact with me. That's a fucking charge.
[47:23] Speaker 2: All the other stuff is fine.
[47:25] Speaker 1: What do you mean he's not planted?
[47:27] Speaker 4: Like, don't run up on me.
[47:28] Speaker 1: He's not planted.
[47:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, we've reached our allotment of F-bombs. Think about the Anthony.
[47:36] Speaker 1: Edwards one, right?
[47:37] Speaker 3: Where he falls and trips, and then he says something,
[47:41] Speaker 3: the ref kicks him out, he gets back up.
[47:42] Speaker 1: Like, yeah, like, come on, dog.
[47:45] Speaker 4: I mean, you can say what you want, but don't
[47:46] Speaker 4: run up on me as a ref. It's kind of like,
[47:51] Speaker 4: that's contact. No, contact is contact. But the air bombing,
[47:58] Speaker 4: I'm cool with all that.
[47:59] Speaker 1: He is not contact. I didn't touch you. I didn't
[48:01] Speaker 1: touch you. I didn't touch you. I didn't touch you.
[48:05] Speaker 1: I didn't touch you. Yeah, one of those.
[48:06] Speaker 2: No, it was like that.
[48:10] Speaker 4: So that's, that's, that's, that's still a charge.
[48:13] Speaker 1: Still a fucking charge. Still a fucking charge. And that's,
[48:17] Speaker 1: I'd rather have that. It's still a fucking charge. Sit
[48:20] Speaker 1: your goofy ass down. Those are the refs that like
[48:24] Speaker 1: the players respect. Right, daddy? Because here, emotions from the
[48:31] Speaker 1: players is, that's part of the game. Making shots, missing shots.
[48:35] Speaker 3: Being subbed in, being subbed out, this guy's busting your ass.
[48:39] Speaker 1: Your emotions is up and down throughout a game, right?
[48:43] Speaker 1: The referee is even killed. Your job is to just manage.
[48:47] Speaker 3: The floor, make the right call. That's all you're supposed
[48:51] Speaker 3: to be doing. You don't have emotions invested. If you
[48:54] Speaker 3: want to cuss at me and just Like, man, I hope,
[48:58] Speaker 3: that's why he's busting your ass.
[48:59] Speaker 1: That's you, like, that you, you know what I mean? Like,
[49:03] Speaker 1: don't get mad at me because he's busting your ass.
[49:06] Speaker 3: Shit, you over here fouling extra hard because he got 46.
[49:10] Speaker 2: Cemetery Larry, I see you tapping your helmet, nodding your head.
[49:15] Speaker 1: What Tony brothers say, he the judge, the jury, and
[49:19] Speaker 1: the executioner. Right? Also known as Tony Others. Others. By
[49:23] Speaker 1: some fan bases. I mean, it's a certain amount of
[49:27] Speaker 1: holding back you can do. I think we all like.
[49:30] Speaker 2: I mean, he not bad.
[49:33] Speaker 1: Mike Malone. No, the ref. Mark. Mark.
[49:40] Speaker 2: Mark not bad.
[49:42] Speaker 1: He's always been solid. Out of all of them, he's
[49:46] Speaker 1: one that would talk back to you.
[49:48] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[49:48] Speaker 1: But when you look at it, they still got the control.
[49:51] Speaker 1: Like you said, he could have tossed them all. I
[49:55] Speaker 1: ain't never been a fan of the ref because I
[49:57] Speaker 1: do want them to understand that they're not there to
[50:01] Speaker 1: do anything other than judge the match. Okay.
[50:03] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[50:04] Speaker 2: Like, you're not allowed to think that you're the judge,
[50:06] Speaker 2: the jury, or the executioner.
[50:07] Speaker 1: Like, you're only here to ref. Now you've created a personality.
[50:12] Speaker 1: Now you've created an opportunity for guys to get that mad.
[50:16] Speaker 1: You know, we feel like we got to get that
[50:17] Speaker 1: mad for you to stop cheating. Like, you feel like
[50:20] Speaker 1: it was planned? Yeah, but shit, like you said. It's
[50:25] Speaker 1: still a charge, motherfucker. It's still a charge. It don't
[50:28] Speaker 1: matter what, how much you yell. And I like, like
[50:31] Speaker 1: you said, I like refs like that one because if
[50:33] Speaker 1: I can express myself up to the point where you
[50:36] Speaker 1: look at me and I have to calm down because
[50:38] Speaker 1: I've done enough and you're like, all right now. All right, yeah, see.
[50:41] Speaker 1: I heard you.
[50:42] Speaker 2: To the point that he turned and he was like,
[50:43] Speaker 2: are you done now?
[50:45] Speaker 1: All right, now I'm done. But God damn it, that's
[50:47] Speaker 1: a bad call. Shit. All right, now we're done. And
[50:50] Speaker 1: that's what, Referees. It's usually the newer ones. That's what
[50:56] Speaker 1: I'm saying. Who are these new refs?
[50:57] Speaker 3: It's usually a newer ref who's quick with the whistle
[51:00] Speaker 3: because it's overpowering.
[51:01] Speaker 1: They're afraid of that confrontation.
[51:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just they feel they got to.
[51:05] Speaker 4: We're intimidating, though. Why are you signing up for this game, then?
[51:10] Speaker 4: Imagine you a ticket meter. You just got your first
[51:13] Speaker 4: day of the ticket meter. Motherfucker, you out.
[51:15] Speaker 1: There just looking for check.
[51:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:18] Speaker 1: Three, two, one. Ah! Like, I got 500 today. Wait
[51:23] Speaker 1: a minute. What you out there doing? Right? It's that,
[51:27] Speaker 1: you know, NBA.
[51:28] Speaker 3: But, you know, like, I've seen refs that, you know, never, like,
[51:34] Speaker 3: I'm not, bro, listen, you 0 for 12.
[51:37] Speaker 1: Don't put all that energy on me. And I'm not
[51:39] Speaker 1: kicking you out.
[51:40] Speaker 3: I want to see how far you go before you
[51:42] Speaker 3: make one.
[51:44] Speaker 1: I got $ 50. You're going to go 0 for $ 20. Like,
[51:48] Speaker 1: dead ass. I'm like, we may or may not have been.
[51:50] Speaker 1: I never bothered the refs. No, he just said, I
[51:52] Speaker 1: just said.
[51:53] Speaker 4: Like, I never bothered the refs.
[51:54] Speaker 1: I just played. But when they bad, they bad. And
[51:58] Speaker 1: that's how you can react when they get in there.
[52:00] Speaker 1: Because you think about it, you play it back and
[52:01] Speaker 1: you see the play.
[52:03] Speaker 2: It was a charge.
[52:04] Speaker 1: Clearly. clear so you got to look at time and
[52:07] Speaker 1: score at that point how the refs have been reffing
[52:10] Speaker 1: the whole game is this being common now at a
[52:13] Speaker 1: point i'm a boiling point at this point now i'm
[52:15] Speaker 1: like man.
[52:16] Speaker 2: Fuck this well let's let's kind of you know i'm
[52:18] Speaker 2: saying let's shift it over to something that happened recently
[52:20] Speaker 2: and that was a positive more or less positive combo
[52:23] Speaker 2: by ref let's shift it over to a not so
[52:24] Speaker 2: positive one uh cav guard ty drone fine twenty five
[52:27] Speaker 2: thousand dollars for public criticism officials after he names official
[52:31] Speaker 2: Natalie Sago by name following Sunday's overtime win against the Trailblazers.
[52:36] Speaker 2: Here's what he said to earn that fine.
[52:38] Speaker 1: How tough was it to just get in a flow
[52:40] Speaker 1: on both ends of the floor?
[52:42] Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought the refs were really bad tonight, especially Natalie.
[52:46] Speaker 1: She was really bad.
[52:48] Speaker 6: So when stuff like that happens, they kind of lose
[52:50] Speaker 6: control of the game, and you just got to keep
[52:51] Speaker 6: your head. I thought that first half was ridiculous. Third
[52:55] Speaker 6: quarter was horrendous. And, you know, just got to keep
[52:59] Speaker 6: your head and keep playing.
[53:00] Speaker 2: So Jerome was unhappy.
[53:02] Speaker 1: What's his name?
[53:03] Speaker 2: Ty Jerome. I know, Gil. Confident, too, Nick.
[53:06] Speaker 1: I love him. Ty Jerome? Ty Jerome. His face did not...
[53:09] Speaker 1: Ty Jerome.
[53:09] Speaker 2: That's his name.
[53:10] Speaker 1: Ty Jerome. Natalie was just horrible. He's like a baseball player.
[53:14] Speaker 1: That's a baseball player answer. It was very professional, though. Very, very.
[53:19] Speaker 1: His face didn't move.
[53:20] Speaker 4: It was like, you know, just horrible.
[53:21] Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell my dad later, too. The
[53:23] Speaker 1: first half was just horrendous. I'm going to tell my
[53:25] Speaker 1: goddamn dad. Natalie's going to hear from us. She won't
[53:29] Speaker 1: have another bad game. Let me speak to your manner.
[53:31] Speaker 2: So Jerome was unhappy with the 53 foul calls in
[53:33] Speaker 2: the game. Resulted in 70 total free throws, but it
[53:36] Speaker 2: was an even 35 free throws.
[53:38] Speaker 1: For each team.
[53:39] Speaker 2: So an average NBA game, there are fewer than 40
[53:43] Speaker 2: foul calls. That one had 53. Did Ty Drum go
[53:47] Speaker 2: too far in his post-game comments on the ref?
[53:50] Speaker 1: No, I love it.
[53:52] Speaker 2: Very professional. Got straight to the point.
[53:55] Speaker 1: Very professional.
[53:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's worth the 25. Is it, though? 25,
[53:59] Speaker 2: he's making 2.5 million this year. It's about 1% of
[54:01] Speaker 2: his total salary. Whoa.
[54:03] Speaker 1: You got to take taxes out. You got to pay
[54:05] Speaker 1: Asian fees.
[54:06] Speaker 2: A little bit more than that.
[54:08] Speaker 1: He's making $ 40. That's a WNBA contract.
[54:13] Speaker 4: Ha, ha, ha.
[54:15] Speaker 1: Unnecessary slander, Gil. I'm just saying.
[54:17] Speaker 4: I mean, he ain't cussing. Like, he ain't cussing or nothing.
[54:20] Speaker 4: He just, you know, just said it was horrible. It
[54:23] Speaker 4: was horrendous.
[54:25] Speaker 1: Are we not allowed to say that either? Are they
[54:27] Speaker 1: sensitive about that shit too?
[54:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, 25,000. I mean, you can criticize them privately, but
[54:35] Speaker 2: not publicly.
[54:36] Speaker 1: The dogs, too. Can't say it's an ugly dog.
[54:39] Speaker 4: I mean, he said her first and last name. He
[54:41] Speaker 4: said her first and last.
[54:42] Speaker 1: It's cute. It's a cute baby.
[54:44] Speaker 3: Speaking of that, he should get half his money back.
[54:49] Speaker 1: Half of his money. Yeah, he knew her name. That's
[54:52] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was respectful. It was respectful and professional.
[54:55] Speaker 1: A name, Todd Jerome? Jerome in the house. No, but
[55:00] Speaker 1: we all know.
[55:01] Speaker 2: If you're watching the game, you're like, yeah, Natalie, man,
[55:05] Speaker 2: stinking it up.
[55:05] Speaker 1: Just like Tony. Just like Scott. Any of them. It's like, yo,
[55:09] Speaker 1: y'all is trash. Y'all on one tonight. What are we doing?
[55:13] Speaker 2: Well, depending on how a series is going, Scott Foster
[55:14] Speaker 2: can either be a friend or a foe. Violet was terrible, too.
[55:20] Speaker 1: I like Violet. I like Violet.
[55:22] Speaker 4: Violet from the hood.
[55:26] Speaker 1: I like Scott Foster, too. Shit, man.
[55:29] Speaker 3: I didn't like Scott Foster.
[55:31] Speaker 2: Especially now that I know he didn't like CP.
[55:34] Speaker 1: The ones that were supposed to be mean, I didn't
[55:36] Speaker 1: have a problem with them. I didn't have no problems
[55:39] Speaker 1: with them. Natalie is one of the only few women
[55:42] Speaker 1: in there. She's trying to place her dominance. You're going
[55:47] Speaker 1: to respect my gangsta. You're retired. The one who attacked that.
[55:51] Speaker 2: As long as you're respectful while packing up a referee, Mr. B,
[55:53] Speaker 2: you feel like. Yeah, he said her name.
[55:55] Speaker 1: It wasn't like, hey, that white girl or that girl.
[55:57] Speaker 2: None of that, yeah.
[55:59] Speaker 1: He didn't cross no line. Like, bro, he could have
[56:00] Speaker 1: went crazy. Well, it was horrendous.
[56:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, like, I don't even know why they got females refereeing.
[56:04] Speaker 1: It's a man's game. They could have went. What the name? Crazy. Ah, Jerome.
[56:08] Speaker 1: You would have figured.
[56:10] Speaker 3: Man.
[56:10] Speaker 1: You would have thought he was black. When he said
[56:12] Speaker 1: that name, I'm like, what? Get on, mother. He came
[56:16] Speaker 1: from Flint. You ain't see how he look. He might be.
[56:18] Speaker 1: He might be from Flint. That's what I'm saying. He
[56:20] Speaker 1: came with a name like that. That's like Leroy Jenkins.
[56:24] Speaker 1: Leroy Jenkins. Leroy Jenkins. Roscoe Jenkins. Like, I thought Paul
[56:31] Speaker 1: on them made a mistake when they put the white
[56:33] Speaker 1: boy up. They're like, who the fuck is that? Like,
[56:35] Speaker 1: what's the name? As usual, the.
[56:38] Speaker 2: Conversation goes to another area. But let's shift over to
[56:42] Speaker 2: the MVP race.
[56:43] Speaker 1: Heating up.
[56:44] Speaker 2: Shea Gildas Alexander's push for the MVP continued last night
[56:47] Speaker 2: as he dropped 51 on the Rockets. Let's see some
[56:51] Speaker 2: of the highlights. Shout out SGA. Doing his thing this season.
[56:54] Speaker 2: 18 for 30 from the field, including 5 for 9
[56:58] Speaker 2: from three-point range. He also made all 10 of his
[57:00] Speaker 2: free throws. So this was SGA's fourth 50-point game of
[57:04] Speaker 2: the season. No other player in the league has more
[57:06] Speaker 2: than one such game. So before this season, SGA had
[57:09] Speaker 2: never dropped 50 before, but now he's done so four
[57:11] Speaker 2: times in the past 19 games. Basically a six-week period
[57:15] Speaker 2: of all his 50 pieces. So according to ESPN Research,
[57:18] Speaker 2: 19 games is the shortest span it's ever taken anyone
[57:21] Speaker 2: to post their first 450 balls in NBA history. Previous
[57:24] Speaker 2: record was 44 games by Dominique Wilkins. Let's watch SGA cook.
[57:31] Speaker 2: Mini ain't dead, ladies and gentlemen.
[57:33] Speaker 1: Oh. Oh.
[57:37] Speaker 2: Shout out to these Thunder. You see it.
[57:43] Speaker 1: 11-point game, keep them in right. Let them get that 50.
[57:53] Speaker 1: That's why.
[57:55] Speaker 2: They're going to go home first. So with this win,
[57:58] Speaker 2: OKC becomes the first team in the West to get
[57:59] Speaker 2: to 50 wins. Currently hold the 1C by a margin
[58:03] Speaker 2: of 11 games. God damn.
[58:08] Speaker 4: He's crafty as hell.
[58:11] Speaker 2: 11-game lead in the West. You guys know who's in
[58:12] Speaker 2: second place? The Lakers.
[58:14] Speaker 1: Oh, dude. Shout out JJ Redick, man. Okay.
[58:16] Speaker 2: Isn't it?
[58:17] Speaker 1: Turn that shit around. Shout out JJ.
[58:21] Speaker 2: So, let's check on the MVP race. SGA been holding
[58:25] Speaker 2: down the top spot in the MVP ladder, but the
[58:27] Speaker 2: latest one released on February 28th. now has Joker in
[58:31] Speaker 2: the top spot. February 28th, that's what they did? They
[58:33] Speaker 2: do the MVP ladder weekly, so they do the spots
[58:36] Speaker 2: and rankings.
[58:37] Speaker 1: For the last day of black history.
[58:40] Speaker 2: He couldn't wait to get back to white month. Couldn't
[58:42] Speaker 2: do it March 1st for some particular reason.
[58:44] Speaker 1: Wow.
[58:46] Speaker 2: Well, producers like you know, it's released every Friday, but
[58:49] Speaker 2: I think in this particular circumstance, we could have held
[58:51] Speaker 2: it down at least until March 1st.
[58:52] Speaker 1: Y'all could have. Y'all should have.
[58:55] Speaker 2: 9.01 p.m. Eastern, or Pacific. Give me 12.01 a.m.
[58:58] Speaker 1: On the East.
[58:59] Speaker 2: I think SGA's resume is strong enough to hold off
[59:02] Speaker 2: Joker for MVP, as I mentioned. In addition to his stats,
[59:05] Speaker 2: Thunder have an 11-game lead in Adam Silver's Western Conference
[59:08] Speaker 2: right now.
[59:11] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[59:12] Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, his play is definitely MVP.
[59:14] Speaker 4: I mean, this is what he's– last year he didn't
[59:16] Speaker 4: get it, so we can tell– we already knew this
[59:18] Speaker 4: year he was going for it. But, yo, let me
[59:21] Speaker 4: ask you, yo, for a player like this, right, He's
[59:24] Speaker 4: walking in with a lot of confidence, scoring a lot
[59:26] Speaker 4: of points, and like yourself, when you were playing, a
[59:28] Speaker 4: lot of confidence. What was that feeling, coming to the
[59:32] Speaker 4: game every day? Is the game slowing down for him?
[59:35] Speaker 1: Boring.
[59:36] Speaker 2: Boring? Yep.
[59:39] Speaker 3: So he's at that level, just like Luke was, James Harden,
[59:46] Speaker 3: where he hasn't started it yet, but when he starts
[59:50] Speaker 3: doing things, randomly that make it seem harder right you
[59:56] Speaker 3: started adding extra moves you start doing you know what
[59:59] Speaker 3: i mean like the great ones they score easy then
[1:00:02] Speaker 3: you start seeing some shit like they're just sitting there
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: because the game slowed down so much for them that
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: it became boring to them so they're trying to excite
[1:00:11] Speaker 3: themselves by doing more.
[1:00:15] Speaker 4: So you think once he gets MVP, because it looks
[1:00:17] Speaker 4: like he's going to be doing this for a long time,
[1:00:20] Speaker 4: so he'll probably get bored in, what, a couple years?
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: Like, it just, like, when you watch his style, like,
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: how many, it's like him, Luka.
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: You don't think LeBron got bored?
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: Kyrie, where you're talking about, they get into the lane,
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: and usually you're supposed to pick it up.
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: The score.
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: He's sitting here, right here, in small spaces, right? Sitting here,
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: messing with the ball. You're like, yeah, this is too
[1:00:45] Speaker 3: easy for you, dude.
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: Running back? Yeah.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: We like to run back, SJ highlights. Never a bad one.
[1:00:51] Speaker 4: It just looked like, like, he's just coming in.
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's talk about how we regard it. That's what
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: I like to talk about. How you stop it. Stop it.
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: This move right here, watch this. This is great footwork. That's...
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: Stop it. All right, Jeff Green. All right. I don't
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: know who that bottom guy is.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: That's a shooter.
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: I don't know who this wing guy is. That's you, Holiday.
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: This is semi-transition, right?
[1:01:24] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: Two-on-one.
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: Play it.
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: Play it.
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: Lay up. No big. Jeff Green is the center out there.
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: I mean, look who's guarding him. Jeff Green is the center.
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: Big boy. What you doing? How we guarding this? What
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: are we doing? How we guarding this? We playing back.
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: He not running no offense.
[1:01:52] Speaker 2: He not doing nothing. Go back.
[1:01:57] Speaker 1: Go back. Look who's guarding him. Go back. Back and
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: to the left. Stop it. Right. Keep going. He going?
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: Right here. All right. You guys know defense. Get back.
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: Big man, get back to him. He denies that corner. Hey,
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: can you put it on a big screen? Can you
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: blow it up? And you see how this guy, you know,
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: letting the guy catch the ball. SGA backdoor. This is automatic.
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: But the weak side, two guys on the bottom. They
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: got to already be there. 2-9. Play it. 2-9, 2-9, 2-9. Man.
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: I believe that's Reed Shepard right there.
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: Man, what are we doing? Double that. No big man
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: down there. Nobody. Everybody's 6-3. They ain't got no big.
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: But you know SGA's smart enough to see that on
[1:02:53] Speaker 1: the floor every time he walk out there.
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: Who going to stop me at the rim?
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: Nobody.
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: He don't think nobody's going to stop him.
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: Nobody's stopping me at the rim. He got one of
[1:03:03] Speaker 1: the biggest rim threats on his team.
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: Because you can't see the actual plays. They said when
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: you're doing that, they can put it on the big screen.
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: For the fans out there, yeah. Yeah, and make it
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: big because you're pausing it, YouTube don't pick that up.
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: It has to be more than nine seconds straight. Because
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: you're pausing it every eight, nine seconds. For a player
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: who don't shoot threes.
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: I'm definitely.
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: It has to be.
[1:03:34] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: Has to be. He doesn't shoot three. Has to be.
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: Has to be. We're loading up.
[1:03:40] Speaker 4: A big, he playing down, and I'm coming downhill with
[1:03:43] Speaker 4: his size.
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: You have to load up. Who? As a player?
[1:03:46] Speaker 4: As the big. The guy guarding him. Everybody needs to
[1:03:49] Speaker 4: load up. He's dangerous when he comes downhill.
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: Just like you. But he's not coming down. He's exactly
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: like that. We had to load up on him. He's
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: not coming downhill like you. You're using speed. What did
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: you tell me?
[1:04:01] Speaker 4: When we were just going to play you, you said,
[1:04:03] Speaker 4: I'm not worried about you, I'm worried about what your
[1:04:05] Speaker 4: big does.
[1:04:05] Speaker 1: And what did my big do every time?
[1:04:07] Speaker 4: He was damn near in the paint where they were.
[1:04:09] Speaker 4: And what'd you come down to do every time?
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: Mid-range. That's what we're saying, get up. And there ain't
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: no big down there. He ain't shooting. He is. What
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: you mean? You know what I'm saying? What? He's coming.
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: He's coming. You stop. He's going to make another move.
[1:04:23] Speaker 1: He's doing all of it. He's doing all of it. One-on-one.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: He's doing all of it.
[1:04:27] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[1:04:29] Speaker 4: He's coming off pick and rolls. The guy is way
[1:04:31] Speaker 4: back there.
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's waiting to see what you're going to do.
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: The floater. We shouldn't be giving him options of, oh.
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: How y'all going to play me? Oh, you're going to
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: be back. Oh, I'm going to do this. No, we're
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: about to trap that shit. I'm going to lose by
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: somebody else.
[1:04:42] Speaker 4: Not him getting 50, not him getting 30.
[1:04:45] Speaker 2: Bro, he's running for MVP. I'm trapping him every night.
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: We know this. Coming in.
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: Jalen Williams beating us tonight.
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. He's beating us tonight.
[1:04:54] Speaker 2: Good luck.
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: It should be easier said than done.
[1:04:58] Speaker 4: I mean, but Houston is a team that's trying to
[1:05:00] Speaker 4: make the playoffs.
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: These are games that you need to.
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: They were hurt, too. They got a lot of the
[1:05:06] Speaker 1: guys kind of hurt.
[1:05:07] Speaker 4: I'm just saying. Dude's averaging 30. You would think the trap.
[1:05:11] Speaker 4: He's coming off the same. It's not like he coming
[1:05:13] Speaker 4: out shooting threes. He getting into the same position every time.
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: Every game.
[1:05:18] Speaker 4: Same thing every time.
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: Play it back. This is against everybody. Just like they
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: do Luka. They tell, hey, as soon as he cross half,
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: get it out of his hand. Go to the next play.
[1:05:31] Speaker 4: Guard these dudes like they try to guard Steph.
[1:05:34] Speaker 3: Keep going, keep going, because that's the... That's the block. Yeah,
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: that's the block.
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: Mm. Squeezy defense, though, by SGI. Right here. Look. That
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: man's done.
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: There's nothing this defender can do.
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: Actually, Reed Shepard.
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: Reed Shepard should be right there to take the charge.
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: That's a charge.
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: That's a quick in and out.
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: That's a quick in and out. It's a charge.
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: That's a quick in and out. Reed Shepard, and if
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: you got Jeff Green on your hip, if I'm on
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: your left hip, Who? Jeff Green. And she steps inside
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: to take that charge. You have to go all the
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: way on the outside of him. Which is going to
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: allow us to give a second to get back on D. No,
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: this is new school, dog. There's nothing... Reed Shepard can do.
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: Because the movement he has to do to get in,
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: what's the name? I done Euro'd past that bullshit. At
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: the free throw line? I'm coming here, and when he comes,
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: I'm Euroing. You can't. You got Jeff Green on your
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: left side. I'm not worrying about Jeff Green. He's lunch speed.
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: But you can't Euro, and he's right there. I can Euro.
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: That's contact.
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: No, bro.
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: You're on my left. You got Reed at the free
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: throw line at the nail. Reed is coming to the nail.
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Green. You're Jeff Green. I'm Reed. No, that's Reed.
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: This is Reed right here. Reed ain't there yet. Exactly.
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: Okay, so you're saying when he gets there... So I'm
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: coming here, I'm just going to Euro out of it.
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: But look where you are. You're at the circle. You're
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: at the top key. No, I'm talking about period. He's
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: on my hip. I'm right here. Right, he's on my hip.
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: I'm running. When he comes, I'm jabbing him. If he
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: bumps me, foul. So I'm going to jump into him.
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: You're going to have to now, after he bumps you,
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: maybe he fouls you. Yeah, that's a foul. But you're
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: going to run into Reed. He's going to go here.
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: I already got the foul. No. They're going to give
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: it to Reed because you're out of control. He already
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: fouled me. This man already fouled me. He's leading you
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: into the— No. I know what you're saying. I'm leading—
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I did this. You
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: see what I did? No, but look.
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: If I'm Reed, everybody's moving at the same time.
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: If I'm Reed— I'm coming here. Boom. Why would I
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: even go that way? You haven't closed me off yet.
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: But he's still riding you to me, though.
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: I are... Listen. So he's saying, like, he's an offensive player.
[1:07:49] Speaker 1: Jeff Green is already beat, though. Yeah, but Jeff Green
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: is beat, though.
[1:07:52] Speaker 3: As an offensive player, what you guys are used to
[1:07:55] Speaker 3: is using this.
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: I teach to use your foot.
[1:08:00] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:08:01] Speaker 1: So what happens, instead of doing this to push off,
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: I jump here.
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: So now you're... He's going to have to foul you. Yes,
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: you're pushing me off.
[1:08:08] Speaker 2: But that foul is going to come after I've already
[1:08:11] Speaker 2: set my feet here.
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: You are nobody in this. You're moving. Listen. You're in
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: full sphere. You know how many moves I can teach
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: you off of this?
[1:08:20] Speaker 2: But this is just like.
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: When the big is running down, right? And you used
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: to stand in front of Shaq. He's going to run
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: into you, fall. This is the same thing. No, you're moving.
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: You're moving this way. I'm coming into the net. But
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: what I'm saying is look at his speed. How fast?
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: far he has to run over.
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: Look, he's not guarding anybody.
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
[1:08:42] Speaker 4: He's literally there.
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: Put the big screen on. The game. Because the other
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: guy's already guarded.
[1:08:50] Speaker 2: He should already be.
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: But he's not there. So that means he has to
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: get there. Bro, look at where they are.
[1:08:58] Speaker 2: Look at where he is.
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: He's there, bro.
[1:09:00] Speaker 4: It's going to be very hard, but he's very skilled.
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: I'm coming this way, right? And you're coming from here. Mm-hmm.
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: Right here, like you're coming from here. Come, I can
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: sit here and do this. Yes, you could, but you're
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: not doing that. That's his move. That's an easy move.
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: You're moving too fast. Bro, no, you're moving too fast.
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: That's why he's going to take the charge. It's the
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: easiest move to teach. He didn't move fast. He's still holding.
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: But playing, playing, playing slowly.
[1:09:34] Speaker 4: I mean, SJ is under control.
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: I get it. Look, right here. Reed went backwards. Reed
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: went backwards. Go back. He didn't even....
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: He stopped all of his momentum. Reed doesn't know what
[1:09:47] Speaker 2: to do here.
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: He's a rookie. So the rookie backpedals all the way
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: into the lane. He's late. He's late. Look, he stops.
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: But who ends up stopping him? Reed. That's the same
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: guy we're supposed to stop him at the free throw line.
[1:09:59] Speaker 4: I don't know where Jeff Green going.
[1:10:01] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: Instead of stopping him, he ended up stopping him anyway.
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: He ended up being the.
[1:10:06] Speaker 2: Guy who was supposed to stop him.
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: He just did it late. He was way late. He's
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: not like... Yeah, I know what you're saying. Like, he's
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: backing up. He needs to be right here. He needs
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: to be right there. Stop the ball early. Right here.
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: Stop the ball early.
[1:10:20] Speaker 4: First of all, they got the trap.
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: So now he has to pass it.
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is... Well, it's nobody to pass it.
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: It's unreal. It was three on three. It was four
[1:10:25] Speaker 1: on three.
[1:10:26] Speaker 3: Remember, he's all the way there. This guy's moving. He
[1:10:28] Speaker 3: can't make a straight line. He got to do exactly
[1:10:30] Speaker 3: what he did. Try to cut him off at the angle. No,
[1:10:32] Speaker 3: I can go slow.
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: Just like how Jeff Green just baited him into stopping
[1:10:36] Speaker 2: two steps later.
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: You said stop him at the free throw line. He
[1:10:38] Speaker 1: couldn't have got there and fastened it.
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: Because he took steps backwards.
[1:10:41] Speaker 1: No, he has to go this way. That's what I'm saying.
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: He didn't go that way. Think about it. He said
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: his angle. He didn't take the right angle. He didn't
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: take the right angle. But think about what he did.
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: The guy... Stopped. Yes.
[1:10:54] Speaker 4: Jeff Green, where are you going?
[1:10:57] Speaker 1: Where are you going?
[1:10:58] Speaker 4: Jeff Green fucked it up. What he's saying is if
[1:11:02] Speaker 4: he take the right angle.
[1:11:03] Speaker 1: We got him. What I'm saying is, and I said it, him, Luka, Kyrie,
[1:11:08] Speaker 1: they're not actually leaving their feet for the charge. But
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: we can force him to slow down because it looks
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: like a charge. But I said, look, he actually did
[1:11:18] Speaker 1: do that. He came, he stopped him, but he stopped.
[1:11:22] Speaker 1: You pushed up, but he pulled. Look how deep he
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: was in the lane. Where is Jeff Green going? It's
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: only because of Jeff. If Jeff Green stayed right there,
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: the whole play is blown up. It's a four on three.
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: He has nobody to pass over there. Bring it out.
[1:11:34] Speaker 1: He got to dribble it out. He got to dribble
[1:11:36] Speaker 1: it out. What do you mean? We could just trap you.
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: I don't know where Jeff Green was going. He's tripping.
[1:11:43] Speaker 2: Well, Jeff playing the five, he's running to the rim.
[1:11:46] Speaker 4: I know, I know, but Jeff, you can see everybody
[1:11:50] Speaker 4: behind you, so what are you doing?
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: You're right, because he's coming back. You see everything. These
[1:11:55] Speaker 1: motherfuckers is in real time trying to stop a crack.
[1:11:58] Speaker 1: But it's Reed Shepard. You know what I mean? I
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: get that he's faster, but still, he still got stopped.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: Reed is a rookie. You actually see it in the clip.
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: He don't know what to do.
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: He's by himself. He's not guarding nobody. And he's like,
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: what do I do?
[1:12:12] Speaker 2: And then he ended up saving the play anyway. And
[1:12:14] Speaker 2: if he's a little bit smarter, he could strip it.
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: Or block it. I mean, the craftiness stuff. The craftiness was.
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: But at that point, look how deep you let him
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: get into the lane. This man did a double step.
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: This man did a double step after he picked the
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: ball up.
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about a player who's had four
[1:12:30] Speaker 2: 50-point games in his last 19 games.
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: I just want guys to be a little bit more smarter, man,
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: with defense, man.
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: Somebody as crafty as SGA, how hard is it to
[1:12:39] Speaker 2: be that smart?
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: He's smart, man. He's smart. You got to outsmart him.
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: And I don't blame guys that go out there and
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: all smart guys, but it's like, shit, fuck.
[1:12:47] Speaker 4: But that's why I said, Gil, when you in that
[1:12:49] Speaker 4: rhythm like that, guys who, like the James Hardens, like,
[1:12:52] Speaker 4: it's like, I don't even, it's no defense that can
[1:12:54] Speaker 4: stop you because you come in and they can just put.
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: 30 on the board. Like, you already know.
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: Literally, he's walking to the gym, easy 30. This is
[1:13:03] Speaker 3: an easy 30.
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: That's because the defense is not playing chess with him.
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: There's no defense that can stop him. When guys that
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: could score went up against Detroit... They knew they weren't
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: just going up, matching up against Tayshaun and Rip. It
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: was like, you got to go against the back five
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: and the other six niggas on the floor that's coming
[1:13:22] Speaker 1: off the bench. Like, it's a bunch of elements with
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: good defensive teams. But for the most part, if a
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: guy's not really up to guard you, not really getting
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: up for it, like, I got Gilbert coming in here.
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: He's averaging 30. He's trying to score 50 tonight. Either
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: we going to be on some like, yes, whatever, or. Nah,
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: I'm trying to shut this down tonight.
[1:13:42] Speaker 2: How many teams in the NBA actually play good defense?
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: Team defense? There's not a lot. Not a lot. Now
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: you're depending on individual pride. Pride and actually knowing how to.
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: Play defense is two different things. Two different things. Your
[1:13:59] Speaker 2: 2005-06 season, you averaged 29 points a game. I believe
[1:14:02] Speaker 2: in just inflation in today's game, that would be in
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: the 33, 34, 35 range.
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: Easy work.
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: But what was your approach to dropping that 30 piece?
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: As a high-level scorer like SGA is, how did you
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: approach that from a game-to-game situation?
[1:14:14] Speaker 1: Depending on what type of player I'm guarding. If I'm
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: guarding someone, let's say like a Steve Nash, right? I'm
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: attacking him first. I'm trying to score and try to
[1:14:31] Speaker 1: get a foul on him, trying to get him discouraged early.
[1:14:35] Speaker 3: Because I know offensively in my defense, we're not going
[1:14:39] Speaker 3: to be able to stop the pick and roll and
[1:14:40] Speaker 3: do all the plays he's doing. So I'm trying to
[1:14:44] Speaker 3: discourage him early. If there's somebody like Shaq in the game.
[1:14:50] Speaker 1: I'm attacking the whole time. I'm not going to settle
[1:14:53] Speaker 1: as much. I'm going to try.
[1:14:56] Speaker 3: We didn't have plays that went down to the big man,
[1:14:59] Speaker 3: so the big man.
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: Is not going to get fouls on him like that.
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: Unless it's like him doing an offensive foul, we can't
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: rely on that.
[1:15:05] Speaker 3: So I got to come in there and try to
[1:15:06] Speaker 3: get my body on him and see if he's going
[1:15:09] Speaker 3: to go for some of my bait moves. If I
[1:15:13] Speaker 3: got a small guard, I'm going to do more posting
[1:15:16] Speaker 3: up and just catch, shoot right over the top. If
[1:15:18] Speaker 3: I got a shooting guard or three, right, it's to
[1:15:21] Speaker 3: load up, take you off the dribble. If I got
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: a slower guy who's a little bit smaller, I'm shooting.
[1:15:26] Speaker 3: But it's games, right? I had three different styles versus
[1:15:33] Speaker 3: the type of people that was going to be playing me, right?
[1:15:35] Speaker 3: Something how I'm playing against TJ Ford, that's not the
[1:15:38] Speaker 3: same style against Andre Iguodala, right?
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: Andre Iguodala, I'm not settling. Let me ask you this.
[1:15:44] Speaker 1: What style bothers you the most? Huh? What style bothers you?
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: What defensive style bothers you the most? And don't think
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: team as far as, because I know your team, our
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: team concept against saying y'all offense is different than an individual,
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: how do I stop Gilbert? What pissed you off? What individual?
[1:16:04] Speaker 1: The small, stocky guard that picks me up full court.
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: Marcus. Marcus May.
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was him. Telefer. Telefer. The reason them is because...
[1:16:14] Speaker 1: They want him to dribble. No, because.
[1:16:16] Speaker 3: No, I want to dribble, too, because I can just
[1:16:18] Speaker 3: go right into it, but because they were that small, stocky.
[1:16:21] Speaker 1: What's his name? When I try to bump, they can
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: hold it. Yeah, they can slow you down. Right, they
[1:16:25] Speaker 1: can hold it, and then usually when I try to...
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: I'm running at you.
[1:16:27] Speaker 3: The easiest move to do, the best move to gauge
[1:16:31] Speaker 3: a defense is the in and out.
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:16:34] Speaker 3: When I'm coming, I can in and out from this
[1:16:36] Speaker 3: far just to see if the defense is going to sway.
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: So I can sit here and go, then take off, go,
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: and then come back. Right? So that was usually... The
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: strong ones stopped me from doing that. Right? The strong...
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: And back then... You had to get to your second spurt? Yeah.
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: And you couldn't get to it because they bumped you
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: on the first one. Yeah, I couldn't get to it.
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: So usually I like to back up. Right?
[1:16:57] Speaker 3: So let's say I'm playing against you, right? I got
[1:16:59] Speaker 3: to gauge how strong you are.
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: So.
[1:17:02] Speaker 3: you want to get closer to me. disadvantage for me.
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: So I need space so I can get and then
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: once you try to hit me, I can pull through
[1:17:12] Speaker 1: it and keep going. That's your M1. Your M1 where you.
[1:17:15] Speaker 2: Push through the first contact and then that was always, yeah.
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, so if somebody who was really strong trying to
[1:17:21] Speaker 3: guard me, I need two or three steps so when
[1:17:24] Speaker 3: I go, I can boom and then just keep going.
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: And you can't stay attached to you in that offense
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: because he was cutting off fucking high screens and coming
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: off shit. So you can never play you like that.
[1:17:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, so like the Derrick Fishers, when they try to crowd,
[1:17:37] Speaker 3: it's like that back dribble. And then now, I got
[1:17:40] Speaker 3: to make up for you being stronger than me.
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: That's crazy. Like the perfect body to guard me was
[1:17:47] Speaker 1: Jason Kidd. 6'4?
[1:17:49] Speaker 2: Smaller, stronger, quick, and fast.
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: So I didn't have no, he neutralized me as a player.
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: Like everything I was trying to do. Like, you know,
[1:18:01] Speaker 3: back up, he's on it. Try to get the pick
[1:18:03] Speaker 3: and roll, he's fighting through it. Me trying to bully,
[1:18:05] Speaker 3: can't bully him.
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: Tough. What were your numbers against him?
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: Huh? What were your.
[1:18:12] Speaker 3: Numbers against him? I can tell you this. If I
[1:18:14] Speaker 3: had 30, it was a struggle 30.
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: I remember I had one good quarter, like, finally, ah, damn!
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: Four for five on you, boy! You can't guard me!
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: It was one of those moments. There was really never
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: no takeoff on somebody like him. So let's shift back
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: to SGA.
[1:18:35] Speaker 2: In the MVP hunt right now, looking to get his
[1:18:37] Speaker 2: first MVP. Will likely make first-team All-NBA again. Has a
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: major bag coming his way. He's eligible for a four-year,
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: $ 294 million Before you finish that, is there a world where,
[1:18:49] Speaker 2: because he's doing what he needs.
[1:18:51] Speaker 1: To do, right? He has to stand out with these
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: 50s and 48s and all of that. With Joker averaging
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: a triple-double. With Joker averaging a triple-double. Is there any
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: possibility that they can share this MVP? Yeah.
[1:19:08] Speaker 2: Unlikely just with the square vote. I told y'all you
[1:19:11] Speaker 2: got to knock the champ out. You got to knock
[1:19:14] Speaker 2: him out.
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: 81.
[1:19:16] Speaker 2: So you got to go for 82. 82.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: Something crazy. Man, something crazy. Something crazy from a guard.
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: Something crazy. A few times, though.
[1:19:27] Speaker 2: I mean, he's having a great year, but it's like,
[1:19:29] Speaker 2: I mean, think about the James Harden MVP year.
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: We was in awe. We're trying to be in awe.
[1:19:38] Speaker 1: Everyone's forcing it. It's weird because even though as good
[1:19:42] Speaker 1: as he is and as solid as we know he
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: is as a hooper, he's solid as fuck. In this era...
[1:19:49] Speaker 1: He's so solid to the point where he's like Kawhi.
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: He's a bigger Kawhi. Like, you can get this shit done,
[1:19:54] Speaker 1: and no one can stop you from getting your spots,
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: your points. You can shoot the three. You can get fouled.
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: You can do everything. All you haven't done is win
[1:20:01] Speaker 1: a championship. But it's not as spectacular as the James
[1:20:04] Speaker 1: Harden shit, as the Steph Curry shit. The D.
[1:20:07] Speaker 2: Rose shit, right? Even Dame time. When you're talking about
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: Dame time, when Dame was really clicking and ticking.
[1:20:13] Speaker 1: The Russell Rushbrook. Russ, you know what I'm saying?
[1:20:16] Speaker 2: It's like... But that's my question for y'all on this couch.
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
[1:20:19] Speaker 2: 450 pieces in the last 19 games. The Thunder have
[1:20:21] Speaker 2: an 11-game lead in the Western Conference.
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: It's the who?
[1:20:25] Speaker 2: The Thunder. He's doing this with the Lakers. He's doing
[1:20:27] Speaker 2: this with the Knicks. Oh, he's... If he does.
[1:20:30] Speaker 1: The MVP race would have been over.
[1:20:32] Speaker 2: So.
[1:20:34] Speaker 1: Because what Shea don't have is the same thing that
[1:20:38] Speaker 1: everybody else we just named have.
[1:20:40] Speaker 3: Kevin Durant was Kevin Durant before... high school, college, coming
[1:20:46] Speaker 3: to the NBA. So he already had that name. So
[1:20:50] Speaker 3: him being over there, he kind of, you can.
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: Clean up the market. And B just got MVP. Why?
[1:20:56] Speaker 1: Because he had another element. He's in Philadelphia. But wait,
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: he had another element other than just scoring 30. It
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: was 30 and what? But he's in Philadelphia. 12? 30
[1:21:07] Speaker 1: and 12. Now, you got Joker, which you got to be...
[1:21:10] Speaker 1: We always talk about these metrics, too, is how much
[1:21:12] Speaker 1: the points actually matter and how they convert into the
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: actual points when you're talking about voting. So, you look
[1:21:17] Speaker 1: at Joker, triple-double. James.
[1:21:20] Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook, triple-double.
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: How do you beat the numbers when you got the
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: competitor at just 30? 33. 33 what? 33, 6, and 5.
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: Joker averaging 29, 30. But I'm just saying, 33, 6,
[1:21:31] Speaker 1: and 5. Team number one. Who got it over Joker
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: when Joker had similar triple-double numbers? Embiid. But he had
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: to have something else. It couldn't just be 32- 8-7
[1:21:45] Speaker 1: for Embiid and beat Joker out. It had to be, nah,
[1:21:48] Speaker 1: it's 32-12.
[1:21:49] Speaker 2: So do we need more 50 balls from SGA?
[1:21:52] Speaker 1: No, you just need another element of the game that's dominant.
[1:21:55] Speaker 1: You have to dominate it. I mean, more 50 balls. Nah,
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: but it's definitely tough. Because we've seen four of them
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: in the last six weeks.
[1:22:01] Speaker 2: Criteria-based, you're talking about Joker. rebounds, and assists. Bro, you
[1:22:06] Speaker 2: can't just show up to the party with cornbread.
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: But it's not cornbread. We just looking at it as
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: cornbread because it's the name. Because of the shit, the
[1:22:14] Speaker 1: other shit we got in here at the party.
[1:22:15] Speaker 2: It's a feast in here.
[1:22:17] Speaker 1: And you just showed up with some cornbread.
[1:22:19] Speaker 3: If he was in New York and L.A., Trust me,
[1:22:21] Speaker 3: the narrative would have been, this would have been a blow-away,
[1:22:25] Speaker 3: not even close.
[1:22:25] Speaker 4: But what's the difference between him doing it and Westbrook?
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: Triple-double? Huh? What's the difference between him and Westbrook doing it?
[1:22:30] Speaker 2: Thunder 50-11 right now.
[1:22:31] Speaker 4: I mean, they both play for the Thunder, and his
[1:22:34] Speaker 4: team is number one.
[1:22:35] Speaker 3: Westbrook got the triple-doubles first time in a long time,
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: so that was a narrative. The other three times, they
[1:22:40] Speaker 3: didn't even think about giving.
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: It to him. It's Denver's small market. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:22:43] Speaker 2: Denver?
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: Yeah. Denver's a small market. So are we going to
[1:22:45] Speaker 1: say the same thing? If Joker was in a big market,
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: what conversation would we be having? Shit, dude. Probably be
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: calling the greatest of all time. The greatest of all time.
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: So we can't say, hey, we can't say, hey, we
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: put OKC. What was Giannis' number when he won MVP?
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: Let me pull it up for you, Mr.
[1:23:00] Speaker 2: Big.
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: 29-12, I guess.
[1:23:04] Speaker 2: Got to have something else.
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: But it still is. But how did it look? But
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: even about the number, how did it look?
[1:23:10] Speaker 4: See, that's a thing, too.
[1:23:13] Speaker 2: First or second MVP?
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: The first one.
[1:23:16] Speaker 2: We'll go with the more impressive one. 29, 14, and 6.
[1:23:20] Speaker 2: Come on, man. Shooting 55% from the field.
[1:23:22] Speaker 1: That's dominant. And what about the other one?
[1:23:26] Speaker 2: So first one was 28.
[1:23:28] Speaker 1: 13-6. That's dominant.
[1:23:30] Speaker 2: So 28-13-6, then went up to 30-14-6.
[1:23:32] Speaker 1: You don't think carrying the youngest team in NBA history
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: to something, that doesn't play a part? It plays a
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: part in the team success, yes. But the team success
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: is a theme. You just said we're taking this young team.
[1:23:44] Speaker 2: Rashad, 21 games left. The Thunder have 21 games left.
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: It's a wrap.
[1:23:48] Speaker 2: They're not going to get caught. But like you said,
[1:23:50] Speaker 2: that's how you're doing it.
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean... I'm doing it by scoring 30
[1:23:56] Speaker 1: every single night. You're doing it because your team is rolling.
[1:23:59] Speaker 1: You and your team are rolling. Y'all clicking on all
[1:24:01] Speaker 1: cylinders and you're doing everything you need to do to
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: get them there. The difference is the other guy that
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: you were competing against for this award just so happened
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: to have been doing this shit every fucking year. He's fucking,
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: he's the Klitskos. He's Drago. Bro, you've got to be
[1:24:18] Speaker 1: willing to die in this ring to take it from him.
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: SJ not Rocky? I'm just not yet. Not yet. He
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: ain't there yet. Because what's the name is the other
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: dude that just died in the ring? Embiid is the
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: dude that just died in the ring.
[1:24:32] Speaker 2: Apollo Creed.
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: Apollo Creed. And now he's Rocky. Like, I got your back.
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: I got to come here and beat him. But right now,
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: this year's not it. So, I mean, next year it
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: won't be there. Yeah, it will, because what's the odds
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: Joker doing a triple-double again? It don't matter.
[1:24:45] Speaker 2: It's going to be somebody else. What if Giannis comes
[1:24:47] Speaker 2: back next year?
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: 32-14-9. That means that y'all are about for him to
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: get it right now because it's the only time he's
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: going to be able to get it. Who? SGA. Last year, too.
[1:24:57] Speaker 2: We thought he was the go-to MVP. That's what I'm saying.
[1:24:59] Speaker 1: Two years in a row? I didn't think so. Two
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: years in a row against who? The super heavyweight champion
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: of the month?
[1:25:06] Speaker 2: It's a new world order out here.
[1:25:08] Speaker 4: No, no.
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: It's over, man. But the team is young.
[1:25:11] Speaker 4: The youngest team.
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: Chat not playing. None of that matters. We in the
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: first class. Y'all got to sit in the back. Don't
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: make all that noise in the back. I didn't know
[1:25:21] Speaker 1: they was the youngest team. Now, that says a lot.
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: Can they be premium economy? That says a lot, man. No,
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: it's the whole day. We're closing the curtain. We're closing
[1:25:29] Speaker 1: the curtain. They got to use the back room in
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: the back of the point. We get too much noise
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: back there, man. We the champ, man. Come on, man.
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: I know you guys don't factor in winning to who
[1:25:37] Speaker 2: you put as MVP, but the Thunder, again, 50-11, 11-game
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: lead in this Western Conference.
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: At the end of the day, both sides. got they arguments.
[1:25:48] Speaker 2: But what is it going to take from SGA's side
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: for you to say he's the clear-cut MVP? Because Joker's triple-double.
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: Some more 50s. I'm going to tell you this right now.
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: That motherfucker over down there in the Denver... There's going
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: to be a game where it's a, motherfucker you, this
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: is my trophy. There's going to be that. There's going
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: to be a 40, 20, and 15. Oh, so.
[1:26:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be 1,000%.
[1:26:11] Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about.
[1:26:14] Speaker 1: 40, 20, and 15. Think about him having that available.
[1:26:17] Speaker 1: Think about having that available and saying, you don't want
[1:26:19] Speaker 1: me to be the MVP, and I can actually pop
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: out one of them. That's the problem.
[1:26:24] Speaker 2: 42-20-20?
[1:26:24] Speaker 1: There's going to be a... 1,000%... Listen, listen. He is
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: just like SGA offensively. If he wants to score 50,
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: who the fuck is stopping him? Who is equipped to
[1:26:40] Speaker 1: stop him if he wanted to just score the whole time?
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: There's nobody who can actually guard him if he wants
[1:26:47] Speaker 1: to score the whole time. He purposely chooses to sit
[1:26:52] Speaker 1: there and.
[1:26:54] Speaker 2: So, we may find out this weekend, Nuggets and Thunder meet.
[1:26:59] Speaker 2: Two straight games. Sunday, Monday, March 9th, March 10th. At OKC.
[1:27:03] Speaker 2: Sunday game on ABC.
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: Listen, they both going to be trying to prove a point.
[1:27:07] Speaker 2: This might be one of the best goddamn matchups.
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: This is going to be one of them Embiid versus Jokic.
[1:27:13] Speaker 2: This is Canadian versus Canadian.
[1:27:17] Speaker 1: Libby.
[1:27:17] Speaker 2: Jamal Murray, SGA.
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: Oh, that's lunch for me.
[1:27:21] Speaker 3: That's lunch for me, brother.
[1:27:23] Speaker 1: He done took that man's soul. Y'all seen the Olympics?
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: Y'all seen the Olympics? Brother, you had your time. Move around.
[1:27:30] Speaker 1: You coming off the bench, huh? Listen, I like Murray.
[1:27:32] Speaker 1: He's a little champion. something to prove.
[1:27:33] Speaker 4: Listen, I like DeMond Berry, but he ain't ready for
[1:27:36] Speaker 4: that shit.
[1:27:36] Speaker 1: He got something to prove. He got something to prove.
[1:27:38] Speaker 1: I didn't say he did. I just said he got
[1:27:40] Speaker 1: something to prove. You was bubble good. Y'all know what
[1:27:42] Speaker 1: y'all do when y'all fuck with me. Y'all know what
[1:27:44] Speaker 1: I do. You was bubble good. I see what you
[1:27:46] Speaker 1: look like when I was in high school. You was
[1:27:48] Speaker 1: spotting what's doing. You know what happened when you fuck
[1:27:50] Speaker 1: with me? You turned me into Robin. You fuck with me,
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: you turn me into Robin now. You was bubble good.
[1:27:55] Speaker 1: I was just out for a couple weeks. He was
[1:27:57] Speaker 1: Disney good.
[1:27:58] Speaker 2: We asked to chat informal poll with our chat. Who
[1:28:01] Speaker 2: is your NBA MVP? Over 6,000 votes.
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: Damn.
[1:28:06] Speaker 2: 77% say SGA.
[1:28:10] Speaker 4: Yo, if Jokic wins another MVP, where does that ring
[1:28:14] Speaker 4: come as a top five?
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: MVP? Yeah.
[1:28:18] Speaker 2: Is he a top five?
[1:28:19] Speaker 1: All? Maybe 12? Maybe ring... Not this again, girl. Not
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: this again. So who's... Where's SGA, their number one in
[1:28:27] Speaker 1: the West? The number one in the West, 15-11.
[1:28:30] Speaker 2: Who would they play right now?
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: The eight? Hmm?
[1:28:33] Speaker 2: So if the playoffs started today, minus playing, they would
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: face the Kings right now. But that's obviously... going to
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: go a lot of different ways.
[1:28:41] Speaker 1: Who's the other clear-cut seven or eight?
[1:28:45] Speaker 2: Nine for... So Clippers and Kings are tied right now
[1:28:47] Speaker 2: with 32 and 28. Clippers are in the seventh spot.
[1:28:49] Speaker 2: Kings in the eighth spot. Timberwolves in the ninth spot.
[1:28:52] Speaker 1: Thunder, so it could be Thunder or T-Wolves. I mean,
[1:28:56] Speaker 1: Clippers or T-Wolves.
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: So right now it could be Mavs or Thunder. Excuse me, yeah.
[1:29:01] Speaker 2: So right now Clippers, Kings, Timberwolves or Mavs. Clippers, Kings,
[1:29:04] Speaker 2: the T-Wolves would be the dangerous.
[1:29:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
[1:29:06] Speaker 2: Dangerous three.
[1:29:07] Speaker 1: Clippers. Clippers, Kings, T-Wolves to play OKC in the first round.
[1:29:12] Speaker 2: But like I said, this West from six to... 6
[1:29:16] Speaker 2: to 10 right now. Obviously, with the Mavs, this recent development,
[1:29:19] Speaker 2: if AD don't play, you can drop them out. So
[1:29:22] Speaker 2: you're looking at Clippers, Kings, Timberwolves.
[1:29:23] Speaker 3: But what you're saying, like, and if he gets another MVP,
[1:29:29] Speaker 3: he's still out of the top five. Because his resume
[1:29:33] Speaker 3: is just not big enough yet.
[1:29:34] Speaker 1: He's only 30. He's only 30 years old. So he
[1:29:38] Speaker 1: still has so much time to keep, you know, adding up.
[1:29:42] Speaker 1: But the MVPs and all that, like... Right, so he'll
[1:29:44] Speaker 1: have four MVPs, right? Yeah, he'll have four MVPs. Yeah,
[1:29:47] Speaker 1: so then from there, it's like... But you're telling me, Joker,
[1:29:50] Speaker 1: with four MVPs, average first big man in NBA history,
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: average triple-double? But yeah, but you'll only be... I mean,
[1:29:56] Speaker 1: you're talking about... You'll only have seven All-Stars, six All-NBAs.
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: of a finals MVP and a championship.
[1:30:05] Speaker 2: If you're the MVP, are you expected to make a
[1:30:07] Speaker 2: deep playoff push?
[1:30:09] Speaker 1: Yes. That would be the hope.
[1:30:11] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:30:12] Speaker 1: Yes, at least Eastern Conference finals. Or Western Conference finals.
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: I mean, Western Conference finals, yeah. Depending on what conference you.
[1:30:17] Speaker 2: Which MVP hasn't?
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: Hmm? Which MVP hasn't made a deep playoff push?
[1:30:22] Speaker 4: When they won it?
[1:30:23] Speaker 1: Dirk. Dirk, KG.
[1:30:26] Speaker 2: KG went through Western Conference finals.
[1:30:28] Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
[1:30:29] Speaker 2: I mean Dirk, yeah. I think just Dirk. When Dirk
[1:30:32] Speaker 2: won it, they didn't?
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: Steve Nash didn't go. First round? Was he first round? Yeah,
[1:30:36] Speaker 1: Dirk was first round. Dirk and Steve?
[1:30:38] Speaker 3: Steve Nash probably lost to the Spurs maybe.
[1:30:42] Speaker 1: I know one year they lost to the Spurs. Russell Westbrook? No.
[1:30:50] Speaker 1: They didn't deep playoff first? Second round at least? No,
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: I think they lost to Houston first round.
[1:30:56] Speaker 2: James Harden? So Steve Nash, first MVP. They went to conference.
[1:31:01] Speaker 2: They went to conference finals both years. Nash won MVP.
[1:31:03] Speaker 1: Conference finals.
[1:31:05] Speaker 2: So what about Dirk? First round.
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: That was Golden State. We believe.
[1:31:11] Speaker 2: What you trying to say?
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: I'm just thinking if he gets past the first round
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: of the playoffs. SGA? Right. When did they release the MVP?
[1:31:24] Speaker 1: First round. It was like like, depending on game seven, like,
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: it might be, like, it could be a game seven
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: or the... I know what he's saying. I know what
[1:31:35] Speaker 1: he's saying. He might be at home. Is that the
[1:31:38] Speaker 1: end of the first round or.
[1:31:40] Speaker 3: Because I know when Dirk got his, he was sadder
[1:31:43] Speaker 3: than a motherfucker.
[1:31:44] Speaker 1: Right? Because it don't match up to this. Like, you're
[1:31:47] Speaker 1: the best player in the league, and you got it
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: at the crib. You got the award at the crib
[1:31:52] Speaker 1: watching somebody else win.
[1:31:53] Speaker 2: You got to be in a team hotel or at
[1:31:55] Speaker 2: the facility getting ready for a playoff game.
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: Like, if he ain't getting out of the, you know
[1:31:58] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? They better than me, brother. Listen. And
[1:32:01] Speaker 1: you fight, let's just say, Joker, take it there. Like, imagine. Man,
[1:32:09] Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
[1:32:11] Speaker 3: If I won the MVP and they got to give
[1:32:13] Speaker 3: me my trophy... And my team, we lost. Just call me, dog,
[1:32:21] Speaker 3: because I'll.
[1:32:22] Speaker 1: Just be honest.
[1:32:25] Speaker 3: I won't be disappointed we out, okay? I can just
[1:32:27] Speaker 3: tell you that right now. You're going to see all
[1:32:29] Speaker 3: my teeth.
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: You're going to say, how about that loss? How about
[1:32:34] Speaker 1: this trophy? What you talking about? I'm this trophy right here, right?
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: This trophy right here is me, all me, God damn it.
[1:32:42] Speaker 1: It's my name on it. We all went home together.
[1:32:49] Speaker 1: You got a picture? You're going to be the only
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: one there. Yeah. My MVP bonus just hit. I want
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: to thank me. That bonus just hits.
[1:33:05] Speaker 2: So let's talk about another element of SGA, whether he
[1:33:07] Speaker 2: wins MVP or not. Got a major bag coming his way.
[1:33:10] Speaker 2: Eligible for a four-year, $ 294 million extension to keep him
[1:33:14] Speaker 2: in OKC through the 2030-31 season, which the Thunder will
[1:33:18] Speaker 2: surely offer him. So to get ahead of the negotiations,
[1:33:20] Speaker 2: SGA made the decision to part ways with his agent,
[1:33:23] Speaker 2: which means he will represent himself in any contract extension
[1:33:26] Speaker 2: talks this summer. So that got the attention. a finals MVP,
[1:33:31] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown, who tweeted, love this, in response to this report.
[1:33:37] Speaker 2: So Gil, do you like SGA's decision to drop his
[1:33:39] Speaker 2: agent ahead of a potential Supermax extension this summer?
[1:33:46] Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm, it's different than when I played, right?
[1:33:51] Speaker 3: Um, there's, there's nuances inside these contracts that you.
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: Gotta, you need an agent for.
[1:34:00] Speaker 3: Um, Because there's, like, if you took every max player
[1:34:05] Speaker 3: deal and then you put it on the forefront, they're
[1:34:08] Speaker 3: not all the same. They're not, even though it says
[1:34:12] Speaker 3: the same, you know, you got some incentives that's in
[1:34:14] Speaker 3: there that, so, you know, he has to really be careful.
[1:34:17] Speaker 3: He has to really, like, look at the fine details
[1:34:21] Speaker 3: in his contract. Like, I can give him a, you know,
[1:34:27] Speaker 3: little advice that, whatever your deal is, take your money
[1:34:30] Speaker 3: up front so you can invest it, right? You know,
[1:34:34] Speaker 3: like if you're going to get 20 million, you're ready
[1:34:36] Speaker 3: to get 20 million.
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: October 1st, right? That's the most powerful move financially because
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: you can invest and get interest on your money. Six months, that.
[1:34:49] Speaker 3: Second, 12 months is the worst financial deal because they
[1:34:53] Speaker 3: kept the money And they're getting interest and they're paying
[1:34:56] Speaker 3: you little and you really didn't get to really invest
[1:34:59] Speaker 3: your money and make the money off that same deal.
[1:35:02] Speaker 3: So if you're going to get $ 50 million, you would
[1:35:04] Speaker 3: rather get the $ 50 million up front.
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: So make sure up front money, one check, two checks
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: is in your.
[1:35:14] Speaker 3: Bank account so you can get, you know. And then
[1:35:17] Speaker 3: from there, just read other people's contracts. If I'm you,
[1:35:19] Speaker 3: I'll be trying to get a hold of LeBron James' deal,
[1:35:25] Speaker 3: I'll see what Giannis got over in his deal.
[1:35:27] Speaker 1: KD, fucking Curry, right?
[1:35:30] Speaker 3: You go after the big, because they're going to have
[1:35:32] Speaker 3: wording that protects them, and you want that shit in yours.
[1:35:36] Speaker 3: Just sitting here saying the Max deal. The Max deal
[1:35:38] Speaker 3: ain't the Max deal. Because I can tell you there's
[1:35:41] Speaker 3: some people who got the Max. And, brother, you was
[1:35:44] Speaker 3: better off. You got 350, but you was better off
[1:35:46] Speaker 3: signing 295.
[1:35:47] Speaker 1: There's only one deal everybody should be trying to get.
[1:35:51] Speaker 2: That Bradley Bill deal. No trade club. Get that Bradley Bill. Hey,
[1:35:56] Speaker 2: I want that Bradley Bill. I need that bill in there.
[1:35:59] Speaker 2: Let me get that Bradley bill.
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm pretty sure he's going to try
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: to put it in there. I need my Bradley bill.
[1:36:07] Speaker 1: My wife going to dictate where I go. I like it.
[1:36:09] Speaker 4: I mean, I like the fact that you don't have it.
[1:36:10] Speaker 1: My wife going to say where we going to go.
[1:36:12] Speaker 4: I mean, with his numbers, what do you need an
[1:36:14] Speaker 4: agent for? Look at the numbers. Look at the production.
[1:36:17] Speaker 4: I mean, as far as the details and stuff, I
[1:36:18] Speaker 4: get that. I'm sure he's going to have somebody. I'm sure,
[1:36:22] Speaker 4: I'm sure.
[1:36:23] Speaker 2: He locked this through though.
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: But a lawyer don't, but that's what I'm saying.
[1:36:26] Speaker 3: I just told you something that's different because, you know,
[1:36:29] Speaker 3: when I seen it, I asked, like, the financial, you know,
[1:36:33] Speaker 3: wealth people, like, it's still 50 million, but think about it,
[1:36:36] Speaker 3: 50 million up front, what you can do.
[1:36:37] Speaker 1: With it versus... half of it throughout the season. Like,
[1:36:41] Speaker 1: that's not the same 50 million.
[1:36:43] Speaker 2: It's like people win the lottery. You want the lump
[1:36:44] Speaker 2: sum up front or do you want to spread it
[1:36:46] Speaker 2: out over 26 years?
[1:36:47] Speaker 3: We all get 50 million, but it's not the same
[1:36:50] Speaker 3: 50 million. If I signed 50 and got mine one
[1:36:52] Speaker 3: lump sum, you did six months, you did 12 months,
[1:36:55] Speaker 3: your 50 is the worst.
[1:36:57] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:36:57] Speaker 3: So it's, you know, it's not. So you really have your,
[1:37:02] Speaker 3: you know, No, you really.
[1:37:03] Speaker 1: Got to know what you're doing.
[1:37:04] Speaker 4: But I still like the fact that. I still like
[1:37:06] Speaker 4: the fact that I can walk in and be like, yo,
[1:37:07] Speaker 4: you know what?
[1:37:08] Speaker 3: If I'm him, I'm going to send that shit to
[1:37:10] Speaker 3: an agent any motherfucking way.
[1:37:13] Speaker 1: I'm sending it to an agent anyway. I'll give you
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: a percentage, just 1%. You ain't my agent, right? I
[1:37:20] Speaker 1: give you 1%, you look that shit over and make
[1:37:22] Speaker 1: sure it's right.
[1:37:23] Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: I'm looking out for you, whoever it is. Whoever it is,
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: you're about to get paid for nothing. So shut your
[1:37:32] Speaker 1: ass up, read your fucking piece of paper and say
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: thank you. and give me the paper so I can
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: walk in there. You know what I mean? Here you go.
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: Right now.
[1:37:40] Speaker 2: Here it is.
[1:37:41] Speaker 1: You got $ 5 million coming to me right now. This
[1:37:44] Speaker 1: is what my clutch check in my account. Send that
[1:37:47] Speaker 1: shit to Rich Paul. If he got Brian and James signed, goddammit.
[1:37:50] Speaker 3: Four years, if he got, was it, who was the
[1:37:52] Speaker 3: last pick in last year's draft?
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: If he got him a four-year deal.
[1:37:56] Speaker 2: If he got Livingston a good deal.
[1:37:57] Speaker 1: Who? Was it with the Bucs? Yes.
[1:38:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, he got him a, hey, send it over to SA.
[1:38:02] Speaker 3: I'll give you 1%. You look through this shit and
[1:38:05] Speaker 3: tell me.
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: It's free money. Sold. It's free money, right? You're going
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: to do it.
[1:38:12] Speaker 3: That's how business savvy you got to be. Fire this
[1:38:15] Speaker 3: one with the 4%, send it to another motherfucker with 1%.
[1:38:17] Speaker 4: Sold.
[1:38:17] Speaker 1: 1% is still free money. Get that no trade clause, young'un.
[1:38:20] Speaker 1: You don't want this money?
[1:38:22] Speaker 2: I'll give you $ 5, 000.
[1:38:22] Speaker 1: I'll go hire a lawyer.
[1:38:25] Speaker 2: Signature customer.
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: I'll go hire a lawyer.
[1:38:27] Speaker 2: One of you agents don't want to sign this?
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: You don't want to do this for me? For 1%?
[1:38:30] Speaker 1: Take bids? It ain't even 1%.
[1:38:36] Speaker 3: I'm giving you whatever the 1% is, I'm giving you
[1:38:38] Speaker 3: that up front.
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, up front. Just look through it. That's it. I'm
[1:38:41] Speaker 1: not on your book.
[1:38:41] Speaker 2: I'm doing a homie favor.
[1:38:42] Speaker 4: The wire is going to get there by the time
[1:38:45] Speaker 4: you finish looking.
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: Listen, go take the agent test and then come back
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: and be the new agent. I'm about to give you
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: the spread, bro. You want a real job? I got you.
[1:38:55] Speaker 1: You want a real job? Go become an agent. You're
[1:38:57] Speaker 1: going to be my agent. You're going to have to
[1:38:59] Speaker 1: think about it.
[1:39:00] Speaker 4: What's that business you want to start?
[1:39:01] Speaker 1: Rich Paul. Okay, take the blueprint. Just go take the
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: calls for him. That's about it. You go from doing
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: the luggage, you go from driving the cars, to answering
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: the calls, to next thing you know, you're the guy.
[1:39:13] Speaker 2: So, good, you touched on it a little bit, but
[1:39:15] Speaker 2: I want to just go in depth because I love
[1:39:16] Speaker 2: when you kick game.
[1:39:17] Speaker 1: Like, who has the worst contracts out here? Not Josiah Johnson.
[1:39:22] Speaker 3: No, what I'm saying, the eight, the players, if there's
[1:39:25] Speaker 3: a bunch of players that you're looking at their contracts like, what?
[1:39:29] Speaker 1: Go to that agent. Why would you go to that agent?
[1:39:34] Speaker 3: If he can get a whole bunch of people paid
[1:39:37] Speaker 3: that deserve money, that's who I'm going to.
[1:39:40] Speaker 1: The best finessers. I want the best finessers. The one
[1:39:43] Speaker 1: who got overpaid like a motherfucker. Give me that. That
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: motherfucker know how to talk. He got you. He got
[1:39:49] Speaker 1: you how much? He's like an ugly man with a
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: bad one. His talk game is good.
[1:39:55] Speaker 2: You know the little D-boys that talk his ass off.
[1:40:01] Speaker 2: You're going to hire Kim K.
[1:40:03] Speaker 1: You're already with Skims.
[1:40:05] Speaker 2: You touched on it a little bit, but what's the
[1:40:07] Speaker 2: most important things you learned being your own agent, and
[1:40:09] Speaker 2: how long did it take you to learn those things?
[1:40:10] Speaker 2: Like you talked about reading contracts, understanding fine print, understanding
[1:40:13] Speaker 2: particular wording, and things like that, because I see you
[1:40:16] Speaker 2: negotiate deals even now, and I benefit from some of
[1:40:19] Speaker 2: those deals as well, and I'm always in awe and
[1:40:20] Speaker 2: impressed at your ability.
[1:40:22] Speaker 1: Don't be intrigued by the numbers.
[1:40:25] Speaker 3: I think sometimes we get caught up in the number itself.
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: Like, how much I get up front? What's my base
[1:40:31] Speaker 1: for 350? That, right? That's what we're looking at versus
[1:40:37] Speaker 1: everything else.
[1:40:38] Speaker 3: You got to look at the structure of the contract
[1:40:44] Speaker 3: for it to make sense so you're making a lot
[1:40:46] Speaker 3: more money in the long run. Because some of this
[1:40:50] Speaker 3: stuff is just fluff. If you make all NBA first team,
[1:40:56] Speaker 3: if you make an invisible second team, they got shit
[1:40:58] Speaker 3: in here.
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: 300,000 if you make the first team. If you win MVP,
[1:41:03] Speaker 1: a million. If you win back-to-back MVP, two million. If
[1:41:06] Speaker 1: you win three in a row, 10 million. Now, 10
[1:41:09] Speaker 1: million of your damn dollars is on some shit that
[1:41:12] Speaker 1: your ass ain't getting. Right? You don't want to do that.
[1:41:16] Speaker 1: Then you start doing some shit.
[1:41:17] Speaker 3: If you in this market, you know, if you in
[1:41:19] Speaker 3: the Laker market or you in the New York market,
[1:41:21] Speaker 3: you get an extra five million, that's counted in your
[1:41:23] Speaker 3: background and you know damn well your ass ain't going
[1:41:27] Speaker 3: to never be traded to one of those two teams
[1:41:29] Speaker 3: and be an all-star and be an all-NBA player. So
[1:41:33] Speaker 3: you'll be just losing money. So really, it says 350,
[1:41:36] Speaker 3: but your real hard number, if you don't hit nothing,
[1:41:40] Speaker 3: if you don't play, you have to look at the
[1:41:43] Speaker 3: bottom line. Let's just say I get hurt and I
[1:41:47] Speaker 3: don't play no more.
[1:41:50] Speaker 1: What does that number look like? That's the number you
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: want to negotiate. If I don't play a game, how
[1:41:57] Speaker 1: much of this is actually in my pocket? It says 350.
[1:42:03] Speaker 3: If I'm sitting here getting 150, that's not a max player.
[1:42:08] Speaker 3: I want as much money not playing.
[1:42:13] Speaker 2: We talk about this in other sports with performance-based bonuses.
[1:42:17] Speaker 2: If the team controls those performance-based bonuses, what do you know?
[1:42:20] Speaker 2: We're going to low-manage you.
[1:42:23] Speaker 1: What was that deal? Who signed a five-year, 90, Miami, Duncan?
[1:42:27] Speaker 2: Duncan Robinson.
[1:42:28] Speaker 3: If you look at the nuances in there, you've got
[1:42:30] Speaker 3: to play a certain amount of minutes and all that.
[1:42:33] Speaker 3: You think they're playing you those minutes to get this
[1:42:35] Speaker 3: extra $ 10 million?
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: No!
[1:42:38] Speaker 2: No!
[1:42:40] Speaker 1: Like, why would I want to pay you an extra
[1:42:41] Speaker 1: 10 minutes?
[1:42:42] Speaker 3: I mean, an extra 10 million. We're not winning this
[1:42:45] Speaker 3: goddamn championship. The worst thing I want to do is
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: lose the championship, then got to write you a check.
[1:42:52] Speaker 4: Right?
[1:42:52] Speaker 1: So if you're playing 20 minutes in this game, motherfucker, seven,
[1:42:56] Speaker 1: get in there. Get out of there. 18 minutes. Get
[1:43:02] Speaker 1: in there. Get out of there. 18 minutes.
[1:43:04] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: Don't I lose? Paying you upfront money? The team? Yeah.
[1:43:16] Speaker 1: All right, what determines the value of that upfront money?
[1:43:22] Speaker 2: Leverage.
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: What part? Because you look at AD when he signed
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: that extension. We were talking about how it was based
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: on prior production that leads up until that signing, right?
[1:43:36] Speaker 1: You get paid based on what you've done to this point.
[1:43:39] Speaker 1: And I said, well, what's stopping him from not really
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: showing up and producing from this point forward to the
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: par of what he just got paid? So if you're
[1:43:48] Speaker 1: getting paid up front, what's stopping you from coming in
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: and not playing up into that fight? There's no metric
[1:43:56] Speaker 1: for that. There's no safety for that. There's no insurance
[1:43:58] Speaker 1: for that.
[1:43:58] Speaker 3: But it's still the guaranteed contract. As soon as I sign,
[1:44:03] Speaker 3: if I don't play it, you still owe me the money.
[1:44:04] Speaker 1: So it works either way. Like you said, when you
[1:44:06] Speaker 1: walk into that arena, how do I determine how much
[1:44:09] Speaker 1: that number is? How much guaranteed money I give you?
[1:44:13] Speaker 1: If it's a big contract, how much of that is
[1:44:16] Speaker 1: 80 million?
[1:44:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: Guaranteed. Like you said, you walk away knowing I ain't
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: got to play a game. This is how much money
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: I got before I even touched the floor. I know it.
[1:44:26] Speaker 2: How we determine that value, that's crazy to think of that.
[1:44:32] Speaker 1: Because a player just throws it out there. If you
[1:44:33] Speaker 1: say to him and his agent, just throw that number
[1:44:35] Speaker 1: out there. Like, I need this guaranteed. Like with me,
[1:44:39] Speaker 1: I don't want no incentive. I don't want no incentive.
[1:44:42] Speaker 1: I'm crazy as shit. And that's their protection. The incentive
[1:44:50] Speaker 1: is their protection. And if you don't go get that,
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: you don't get this. But that's also... No, it's not.
[1:44:56] Speaker 1: It's more of a... I call it... It's called... It's
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: more like trick-the-talent type of shit, right? Not a fan
[1:45:04] Speaker 1: of that. Trick-the-talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:45:06] Speaker 3: It's like, you want $ 350, right?
[1:45:10] Speaker 1: Cool. I'll give you $ 350, right?
[1:45:13] Speaker 3: But it's really probably going to be $ 285.
[1:45:15] Speaker 1: And then a whole bunch of incentives to.
[1:45:17] Speaker 4: Get it to 350.
[1:45:19] Speaker 2: That's going to guarantee that you play, though.
[1:45:21] Speaker 1: These incentives are not just guaranteeing that you're playing because
[1:45:24] Speaker 1: they're performance-based incentives. They're performance-based. So you have to now
[1:45:28] Speaker 1: hit a mark, hit a milestone, accomplish a feat to
[1:45:33] Speaker 1: get the full contract. So that's what I'm saying. So
[1:45:36] Speaker 1: the guaranteed part of that, that Duncan Robinson, 90 for 5,
[1:45:39] Speaker 1: is he. Is he getting guaranteed? Hell no.
[1:45:45] Speaker 2: Not getting no guarantee, right.
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: So what would be his, like, if you're going into
[1:45:48] Speaker 1: that negotiation, he don't even, does he think about trying
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: to ask for guaranteed bread?
[1:45:54] Speaker 3: No, sometimes it's just like anything. People are just so
[1:45:57] Speaker 3: happy to see the total number.
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: Right. They never thought it would be that big. If
[1:46:02] Speaker 1: it's only 30, but you want to report it's 90,
[1:46:05] Speaker 1: go and report that motherfucker 90. Right. So just like
[1:46:09] Speaker 1: Zion Williams.
[1:46:11] Speaker 2: But like you see how all those weight clauses it
[1:46:15] Speaker 2: helps them it's their insurance to say we didn't just
[1:46:20] Speaker 2: get his key at this money he gotta work inside
[1:46:23] Speaker 2: of our restrictions why do you sign that again we
[1:46:26] Speaker 2: don't know it until something happens and it reveals this
[1:46:31] Speaker 2: is what he's gonna lose exactly that's good though it's
[1:46:35] Speaker 2: like an alert system.
[1:46:36] Speaker 1: For the franchise like uh uh uh uh he's overweight
[1:46:39] Speaker 1: again But again.
[1:46:42] Speaker 4: Don't tell the people.
[1:46:46] Speaker 1: Don't tell the people. Hey, it ain't us this time.
[1:46:48] Speaker 2: We're fucking with his money.
[1:46:49] Speaker 1: Don't say it was us.
[1:46:50] Speaker 2: He has been warned 16 times.
[1:46:54] Speaker 1: SGA, though? 16 times is crazy. SGA has all the leverage.
[1:47:00] Speaker 3: Like, when they're going into negotiations with him, they have
[1:47:05] Speaker 3: no leverage over him.
[1:47:08] Speaker 1: None whatsoever. Besides being, you know, not very, like his
[1:47:14] Speaker 1: business side, like just for me being on this side now,
[1:47:17] Speaker 1: his business side is not really savvy, right? And that's
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: why he's not getting the recognition that he needs. He's
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: already in a small market, right?
[1:47:30] Speaker 3: He's quiet, which if you're in a small market, you
[1:47:34] Speaker 3: have to be a little bit.
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: He has aura, though, good.
[1:47:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to say his aura is loud.
[1:47:38] Speaker 1: His aura is very loud. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but America
[1:47:42] Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck that means, right? You know
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: what I mean? You know what I mean? They don't
[1:47:45] Speaker 1: know what the fuck that means. They can't see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: I can't see that. Let me see the orange glow.
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: You can see it when he walk into the locker
[1:47:51] Speaker 1: room on the league fits. League fits, skims. That's like
[1:47:55] Speaker 1: putting on a costume.
[1:47:56] Speaker 2: That's like putting on a costume, bro.
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: Imagine, and because he speaks very well, imagine if he
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: had the Anthony Edwards cockiness a little bit. Right? He do.
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: Not really. No, he's quiet. He's slick.
[1:48:08] Speaker 3: Then his shoes, right? That's fifth tier. You're not in
[1:48:15] Speaker 3: one tier or two tier shoe. You're in fifth tier.
[1:48:18] Speaker 1: Converse, a brand for the people. people. But it's what
[1:48:21] Speaker 1: I'm saying. For your game, that's fifth tier. That's bottom tier.
[1:48:26] Speaker 1: D-Wade tried to come in with the same angle. He
[1:48:29] Speaker 1: went with Converse.
[1:48:31] Speaker 2: He was going up against Jordan and Nike.
[1:48:33] Speaker 1: Carmelo and fucking Brian. Third, fourth tier. The flashes. The flashes, yep.
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: So look, I'll rather be, like, let's say they paid
[1:48:41] Speaker 1: you a hunnit. you'd rather get paid 50 million being
[1:48:46] Speaker 1: on one tier. Because one tier actually is invested now. Yes. Because...
[1:48:51] Speaker 1: It's the machine. Because now it's Nike. Now they got
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: to put your shoe in here. Now they got to
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: pay you. They got to do billboard. Yeah, budget work.
[1:48:59] Speaker 1: All that. I need you on the billboard. We got
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: to push you. Push you for... Like, if this was
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: Nike or Adidas, they're pushing MVP. Everywhere. They're pushing. It's
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: a part of their... It's part of the deal.
[1:49:10] Speaker 4: That was a good thing Giannis did, signing with Nike.
[1:49:13] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Times Square. Any campaign they want to do with him,
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: it goes through all the Nike players. They throw them
[1:49:19] Speaker 1: all in the one commercial.
[1:49:20] Speaker 2: And that's part of my contract, too, when I need
[1:49:22] Speaker 2: to go shoot with the team.
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Right?
[1:49:25] Speaker 3: When I'm in, like, you are going to push me
[1:49:27] Speaker 3: outside of all your investment companies, everything you do.
[1:49:32] Speaker 1: They need to be all-star. They need to be signing ballots.
[1:49:35] Speaker 1: They need to do this, this, this. I'm wanting commercials
[1:49:38] Speaker 1: with all the Nike athletes that y'all got. Team effort. Like,
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: it's a team, too. Same thing with OKC. You guys
[1:49:45] Speaker 1: are businessmen, so you got businesses other than this. What
[1:49:48] Speaker 1: are they?
[1:49:50] Speaker 2: What are they nobody you need to push me inside
[1:49:54] Speaker 2: those markets and campaigns too I need to look you
[1:49:57] Speaker 2: see my face commercials right.
[1:49:59] Speaker 3: You see you Microsoft I want to be on a Microsoft.
[1:50:01] Speaker 2: Commercial like I need to like because of this market
[1:50:05] Speaker 2: here I need to be inside y'all real business branding.
[1:50:09] Speaker 1: Me it's free for you guys and I feel I'm
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: a model you feel me but those are the things
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: that I will be you know All right, well, let's...
[1:50:18] Speaker 1: Giving him them nuggets. SGA, I hope you were watching. Listen, SGA,
[1:50:23] Speaker 1: it's too late. When do they play the Nuggets?
[1:50:26] Speaker 2: 9th and 10th. So this Sunday and Monday.
[1:50:28] Speaker 1: Home is... Both at OKC. Oh, my God.
[1:50:33] Speaker 3: And Adidas, if you're in Washington, you know this. Them
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: two games, my shoe deal with Adidas, it.
[1:50:44] Speaker 1: Would have been $ 20, 000. T-shirts with 2025 MVP. So when
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: they walked in the building, all the seats, that means
[1:50:57] Speaker 1: all of America is watching unified MVP, which makes the
[1:51:04] Speaker 1: crowd chant MVP, which make it an MVP building.
[1:51:08] Speaker 2: So that Sunday game. Night two, it'd be.
[1:51:10] Speaker 1: Just a different motherfucking color.
[1:51:13] Speaker 2: That Sunday game on ABC.
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: Guess what? Everybody got on an Adidas shirt.
[1:51:17] Speaker 2: And it's product placement, or Converse, which is.
[1:51:21] Speaker 4: I was in Adidas.
[1:51:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, you was in Adidas. So everybody will have a Converse.
[1:51:25] Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about Brandon taking advantage. And I
[1:51:28] Speaker 1: would say that, too. Put every shoe in there. Every shoe?
[1:51:31] Speaker 1: Put a shoe in every seat. Everybody, put a shoe.
[1:51:34] Speaker 1: I don't care what size it is. You got it.
[1:51:37] Speaker 1: What size fits? What size fits? For real.
[1:51:39] Speaker 4: Those are the things I did in Washington that nobody knew.
[1:51:43] Speaker 1: Like Halloween, we had a game on Halloween. I had
[1:51:45] Speaker 1: 20,000 masks of my face on everybody's seat. So everybody's
[1:51:50] Speaker 1: wearing my face. Free marketing, easy marketing.
[1:51:52] Speaker 2: Did you enjoy seeing your face in the entire arena?
[1:51:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. Because on TV, you're like, what the fuck is that?
[1:51:57] Speaker 1: Is that all good? Man, listen, I was the most selfish,
[1:52:02] Speaker 1: arrogant son of a bitch. But it was part of
[1:52:05] Speaker 1: the campaign of marketing.
[1:52:07] Speaker 3: So during playoffs, unified shirts. If you go in the playoffs,
[1:52:10] Speaker 3: I wasn't playing. They had Papa John's, Crybaby James. I'm
[1:52:14] Speaker 3: the one that did that. Good or bad idea in hindsight?
[1:52:17] Speaker 3: It was a great idea because.
[1:52:19] Speaker 1: He was shocked it was the first negative thing that
[1:52:22] Speaker 1: ever was said about him. Crybaby James, you got everybody
[1:52:24] Speaker 1: doing this. So, Gil, you're responsible. You are responsible for
[1:52:30] Speaker 1: the negativity in our beautiful game. No, he didn't. Rashad, no,
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: he didn't.
[1:52:34] Speaker 4: No, he didn't, Rashad.
[1:52:35] Speaker 1: Somebody, can you Google it and put it up there
[1:52:37] Speaker 1: so people see it going? So, you are responsible.
[1:52:41] Speaker 2: For the negativity in our beautiful game.
[1:52:44] Speaker 1: You was the first hater? Yeah. So you start something
[1:52:47] Speaker 1: and you back?
[1:52:49] Speaker 2: So you start something and you back and everybody else
[1:52:51] Speaker 2: saying something?
[1:52:52] Speaker 1: I've been losing sleep this whole time. And you were actually.
[1:52:56] Speaker 2: The guy that stupid dude with the, look, it.
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: Was Gilbert the whole time. It'd always be the one. Hey,
[1:53:03] Speaker 1: they say it'd always be the one. It was Gilbert
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: the whole time. You started this. What started what? The
[1:53:07] Speaker 1: LeBron hate. And now you back and everybody hating LeBron. LeBron,
[1:53:11] Speaker 1: pride baby James, LeBron negativity. It was the first time LeBron.
[1:53:13] Speaker 1: Ron ever saw something negative. It was Gilbert the whole time.
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: Did y'all find it? Gil all along. Did they find
[1:53:19] Speaker 1: it on the internet? I knew it. We are hunting
[1:53:21] Speaker 1: it down, Gil. I knew it.
[1:53:22] Speaker 2: They said, hey, they be the ones posted to you.
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: I was the first. They be the ones posted. This
[1:53:27] Speaker 1: is right here. No, this is battle. This is competition. Nah,
[1:53:31] Speaker 1: that's crazy. Nah.
[1:53:32] Speaker 3: I had Soulja Boy come to the game.
[1:53:34] Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That was that series. That was the most
[1:53:37] Speaker 1: famous series. No, you did a lot. That was a
[1:53:39] Speaker 1: lot of hating on your part. That's when Jay-Z did
[1:53:43] Speaker 1: the diss track, Blow the Whistle remix. I had Soulja
[1:53:47] Speaker 1: Boy come, like... It's on. This is war.
[1:53:52] Speaker 2: Gil, so two things. You incriminated yourself. That's number one.
[1:53:54] Speaker 2: Number two, your shoe is somehow untied again. You completely
[1:53:57] Speaker 2: incriminated yourself. He goes to the arena.
[1:53:59] Speaker 1: I don't want to hear nothing about nobody hating. Live
[1:54:02] Speaker 1: on TV. I was the first. It was no hate.
[1:54:07] Speaker 1: We wasn't saying you. You just said you was the
[1:54:09] Speaker 1: first LeBron hater. No. What? Yeah. No, I said I
[1:54:13] Speaker 1: wrote the Western name. Crybaby James.
[1:54:15] Speaker 2: Crybaby James, and that was the first time he saw
[1:54:17] Speaker 2: hate about himself.
[1:54:17] Speaker 1: That was the first time he saw hate, negative things
[1:54:19] Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, it came from you. It came from you.
[1:54:21] Speaker 1: It came from you. From you. I'm not going to
[1:54:24] Speaker 1: take my motherfucker arena over, come in here the chosen one.
[1:54:28] Speaker 1: Not today. Not today. So you're the reason why. Not today.
[1:54:33] Speaker 1: That's exactly what I just said yesterday. Not today.
[1:54:35] Speaker 2: I just said everything you just said.
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: Not today. But that's the playoff. That's the playoff series.
[1:54:42] Speaker 1: 9-toes down. 9-toes down. This is the playoff series. This
[1:54:47] Speaker 1: is podcasting. Playoff series, that's it. Gilbert, I'm fighting for
[1:54:50] Speaker 1: my life out here. You see what I'm saying? It's
[1:54:52] Speaker 1: a playoff. There's none of that.
[1:54:54] Speaker 4: Nah, man, y'all should still have beef.
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: It's the gym.
[1:54:56] Speaker 4: Yo, they should still have beef. You and Ron should
[1:54:58] Speaker 4: still have beef, dog.
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: Listen, we at each other crib-wise going on. None of that, like,
[1:55:04] Speaker 1: this is, we trying to win games. Yo, I also
[1:55:07] Speaker 1: noticed that you removed the bronze chocolate chip cookies from
[1:55:10] Speaker 1: the arena. No, I ate them. Somebody ate those. You
[1:55:12] Speaker 1: ate them all? Yeah, he ate them all. What are
[1:55:14] Speaker 1: you talking about? He said he found some... I remember
[1:55:16] Speaker 1: delicious chocolate chips. He said he found some.
[1:55:17] Speaker 2: I thought we was.
[1:55:18] Speaker 1: Hey, man, I thought we was quicker than that to
[1:55:21] Speaker 1: see the thing on the internet. I really couldn't find that.
[1:55:26] Speaker 1: Or they didn't think I was serious.
[1:55:27] Speaker 2: No, I think that the crew has revolted against you
[1:55:30] Speaker 2: for your first take appearance.
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
[1:55:32] Speaker 2: They're currently in limbo right now.
[1:55:33] Speaker 1: Well, I guess move on then. Hollywood, we'll get that
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: by the end of the show.
[1:55:37] Speaker 2: But we asked to chat, SGA, becoming his own agent
[1:55:39] Speaker 2: is a good move or a bad move? 83% say
[1:55:42] Speaker 2: good move. So let's talk about one more thing Before
[1:55:44] Speaker 2: we get to mostly fans, Jason Tatum celebrated his 27th
[1:55:47] Speaker 2: birthday Monday and is now just one of three players
[1:55:50] Speaker 2: in NBA history to amass 13,000 points and 4,000 rebounds
[1:55:54] Speaker 2: before turning 27, joining Wilt and LeBron James. 13,000 points,
[1:55:59] Speaker 2: 4,000 rebounds before turning 27. So it's Jason Tatum, Wilt Chamberlain,
[1:56:03] Speaker 2: LeBron James, three players to accomplish that feat. In his
[1:56:06] Speaker 2: recent interview with the Washington Post, Tatum made it clear
[1:56:08] Speaker 2: he wants his name to be mentioned with the greats.
[1:56:10] Speaker 2: When it's all said and done, he said, quote, You
[1:56:13] Speaker 2: still see LeBron playing at a high level, KD, Steph.
[1:56:16] Speaker 2: I grew up watching those guys playing. I want the
[1:56:18] Speaker 2: next generation to see me as one of those guys.
[1:56:20] Speaker 2: So as much as I have accomplished already at 26,
[1:56:24] Speaker 2: that was never just a goal. It was to be
[1:56:26] Speaker 2: an all-time great. So we listed his accolades last week. Very,
[1:56:31] Speaker 2: very impressive resume through 26 years old. Now 27, officially
[1:56:36] Speaker 2: an old head, close to being unk by NBA player standards.
[1:56:42] Speaker 2: Is Tatum on the path to becoming an all-time great?
[1:56:46] Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, he's in the path. This is not
[1:56:51] Speaker 1: like something we're trying to figure out. He's there. The
[1:56:58] Speaker 1: pathway he's in for his age, championship, the accolades, he's there.
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: I mean, if you just compare him across just everyone
[1:57:10] Speaker 3: in history.
[1:57:12] Speaker 1: you know.
[1:57:12] Speaker 3: Magic, Bird, Jordan, Cole, like, he's an A student right now.
[1:57:18] Speaker 1: Right? So from here, he just got to keep playing
[1:57:20] Speaker 1: the rest of his career and stay on course. But
[1:57:23] Speaker 1: the course he's on, yeah. Let's shift over to Mr. B.
[1:57:27] Speaker 2: Do you feel like Tatum's on the path to becoming
[1:57:29] Speaker 2: an all-time great? I know you said things previously on
[1:57:31] Speaker 2: this show, but you want him to show.
[1:57:34] Speaker 1: It now, right?
[1:57:34] Speaker 2: You said you got to come back.
[1:57:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, I never said that.
[1:57:37] Speaker 2: He's your conference final VP. Ring, obviously, people took your words,
[1:57:40] Speaker 2: I think, and kind of, Went astray with him, but
[1:57:44] Speaker 2: you like his game.
[1:57:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, from what he's done, he'll be probably
[1:57:48] Speaker 4: top 15, maybe top 20 when it's all said and done.
[1:57:50] Speaker 1: Top 15, top 20.
[1:57:52] Speaker 4: I mean, they did say one of the greats.
[1:57:55] Speaker 2: If you're top 15, 20 in anything, I would say
[1:57:58] Speaker 2: that would put you in one of the great category.
[1:58:00] Speaker 2: That's fine. I mean, it's the Boston Celtics. It is
[1:58:04] Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics, Mr. Bean, and normally I'd be inclined
[1:58:06] Speaker 2: to hate, but this is a Tatum talk.
[1:58:08] Speaker 1: Wait, so heard Paul Pierce say that, too. What? He
[1:58:13] Speaker 1: got drafted to Boston. Like, what does that mean?
[1:58:19] Speaker 4: Because Boston was already winning. Like, Boston was already... You
[1:58:22] Speaker 4: didn't have to fight.
[1:58:23] Speaker 2: You didn't have to go to the team where you
[1:58:25] Speaker 2: were losing.
[1:58:26] Speaker 1: Instead of winning your first four years... You're losing your
[1:58:30] Speaker 1: first four years. In Boston? No, just when you go
[1:58:34] Speaker 1: to a team like Boston, that's the... You know what
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: I'm saying? He was like, he don't get his recognition
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: because he plays for Boston. Like, he got that Boston, like,
[1:58:42] Speaker 1: is that just a negative?
[1:58:43] Speaker 2: No, because he came in winning, like you said, with Magic.
[1:58:46] Speaker 4: Boston is one of the most hated... Yeah, that's what
[1:58:48] Speaker 4: I'm saying. It's like one of the most hated teams.
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: People just don't like them? Yeah. It's like Duke? Yes, yeah. Okay,
[1:58:53] Speaker 1: so that a Duke could even be... Oh, okay, okay.
[1:58:55] Speaker 1: It's stuff like.
[1:58:56] Speaker 4: But it's just stuff like.
[1:58:57] Speaker 1: I thought... I mean, I would have thought this whole
[1:58:59] Speaker 1: time that Boston and the Lakers was just the team's...
[1:59:03] Speaker 1: That's what made this NBA.
[1:59:05] Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's why they're the most hated teams.
[1:59:07] Speaker 1: But the Lakers is not the most hated. They're the
[1:59:08] Speaker 1: most loved.
[1:59:09] Speaker 2: No, Lakers get a lot of hate outside of Laker fans.
[1:59:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, bro.
[1:59:12] Speaker 2: Extremely strong fans. Bro, swear to God.
[1:59:13] Speaker 1: That neutralizes all the hate. No, seriously. Straight up. They
[1:59:16] Speaker 1: hate the Lakers on these folks.
[1:59:17] Speaker 2: You don't know that because you live in L.A. You're
[1:59:19] Speaker 2: talking about, look, Gil, you're talking about Chicago, and then
[1:59:21] Speaker 2: you're talking about Boston, and then.
[1:59:24] Speaker 1: You just got the Lakers. Then you got the Knicks.
[1:59:25] Speaker 1: You just got the Lakers. is on this side. Think
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: about L.A.
[1:59:28] Speaker 2: In general. Then you got the Yankees, you got the
[1:59:30] Speaker 2: Red Sox, then you got just the Dodgers.
[1:59:33] Speaker 1: And then you got the Dallas Cowboys. Man, you ain't
[1:59:36] Speaker 1: thinking about nothing. You know in my office there's a
[1:59:38] Speaker 1: bunch of white pieces of paper? Uh-oh.
[1:59:41] Speaker 2: Why they gotta be white, Gil? I used to fight
[1:59:45] Speaker 2: people all the time because I was a Lakers fan.
[1:59:47] Speaker 2: I used to always, like, yeah. And, Shaw, you will
[1:59:49] Speaker 2: one day return to your rightful place on the Lakers bandwagon.
[1:59:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think the ball thought ball.
[1:59:55] Speaker 2: Well, Paul Pierce grew up being a Lakers fan. He's
[1:59:56] Speaker 2: just sneaking the Lakers games.
[1:59:57] Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, but him coming like, yeah, see,
[2:00:00] Speaker 3: it's like he felt like he was jaded as a player.
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: For sure. For sure.
[2:00:03] Speaker 4: He from L.A., you go play for Boston?
[2:00:05] Speaker 2: Does Paul Pierce get the respect he deserves?
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: No, not that part.
[2:00:07] Speaker 3: I'm just talking about, I guess he thinks media just
[2:00:09] Speaker 3: disrespects just being a Boston Celtics.
[2:00:12] Speaker 1: Or... Or, because who the legend is.
[2:00:18] Speaker 3: In small forward, he was a small forward, Jason Taylor
[2:00:22] Speaker 3: was a small forward, because of what position you play, you're.
[2:00:30] Speaker 1: Not going to get the recognition. I don't think it's
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: that at all. We're just not going to hand it
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: to you. We're just not going to give it to you.
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. We're not going to let
[2:00:39] Speaker 1: you be better than him.
[2:00:41] Speaker 2: Let you be better than who? Paul Pierce?
[2:00:43] Speaker 1: Larry Bird. No, we're definitely not going to let you
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:00:48] Speaker 4: You're going to have to earn it. You're going to
[2:00:50] Speaker 4: have to earn it.
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: Do you know his resume? You want to know his resume?
[2:00:52] Speaker 1: You're not going to earn it. I mean, honestly, I
[2:00:54] Speaker 1: hope he does. I hope he does wipe Larry Bird. Like,
[2:00:57] Speaker 1: get that shit up out of here.
[2:00:58] Speaker 2: It's going to take a.
[2:00:59] Speaker 1: Lot, though.
[2:01:00] Speaker 2: Get that shit up out of here.
[2:01:01] Speaker 1: But it's not. Oh, no, we can get that Larry
[2:01:03] Speaker 1: Bird shit up out of here.
[2:01:04] Speaker 2: No, you're not.
[2:01:05] Speaker 4: With him and Jalen.
[2:01:05] Speaker 1: I mean, he got a dog with him.
[2:01:07] Speaker 4: He got a dog.
[2:01:07] Speaker 1: Brother, they not letting the league as a whole play.
[2:01:12] Speaker 4: Get it up.
[2:01:13] Speaker 1: Giannis, the reason Giannis didn't get his third MVP is
[2:01:16] Speaker 1: to protect what I'm saying. I'm not talking about MVPs.
[2:01:17] Speaker 4: I'm talking about the Celtics history.
[2:01:20] Speaker 2: I'm talking about Daylon Brown and Jason Tatum.
[2:01:22] Speaker 1: Brother, that shit don't mean nothing. No, listen.
[2:01:27] Speaker 2: Nobody has done it.
[2:01:28] Speaker 1: Nobody has came close.
[2:01:29] Speaker 2: They're in a position to be able to wipe all
[2:01:31] Speaker 2: that shit out.
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: Since Larry Bird.
[2:01:33] Speaker 2: And KG and all. Man, them shit's going to look like, man,
[2:01:37] Speaker 2: them niggas, they don't lie.
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: Listen.
[2:01:39] Speaker 3: They're ruining history because of Larry Bird. Michael Jordan get
[2:01:42] Speaker 3: his three MVPs.
[2:01:44] Speaker 1: Because of Larry. Giannis didn't get it because of Larry.
[2:01:47] Speaker 1: Jokic didn't get it because of Larry. Because Larry wasn't
[2:01:50] Speaker 1: good enough to do what he did. What is the
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: thing with Larry? Larry was the chosen one.
[2:01:55] Speaker 2: I'm saying.
[2:01:55] Speaker 1: He was the great white hope. No, no, no, no, no, no.
[2:01:59] Speaker 1: That was no hope there. He was the Larry legend.
[2:02:02] Speaker 1: Nobody's saying Larry's top five, top ten. We're not protecting
[2:02:05] Speaker 1: Larry on that front. They only protecting Larry for the
[2:02:07] Speaker 1: MVP front. For the three straight. Right, so they got
[2:02:10] Speaker 1: to protect Larry in some, because we protect Mike. Why
[2:02:12] Speaker 1: can't we protect Larry? They do. Right, so now we're
[2:02:15] Speaker 1: saying with Jason Tatum, we're not going to give you
[2:02:18] Speaker 1: Larry's spot, bro. You have to take it. And all
[2:02:21] Speaker 1: this crying and looking for validation, when you go do
[2:02:25] Speaker 1: shit that Larry did, it's going to automatically speak for
[2:02:29] Speaker 1: the representation of the Boston Celtics. When you represent us,
[2:02:32] Speaker 1: it's no longer us looking back and saying, where is
[2:02:34] Speaker 1: Larry at? So Larry right here, look, Larry right here.
[2:02:39] Speaker 1: That is Larry. That is Larry. But this ain't the
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: Larry y'all need.
[2:02:42] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:02:42] Speaker 1: Okay?
[2:02:43] Speaker 2: Y'all need Larry Bird. Y'all need Larry Bird. Tatum, he
[2:02:46] Speaker 2: can wipe them out. Jalen Brown, wipe them out.
[2:02:48] Speaker 1: But they got to win. They got to win. How
[2:02:50] Speaker 1: you going to wipe them out if I'm the judge?
[2:02:52] Speaker 4: I mean, well.
[2:02:53] Speaker 1: I'm the judge. You don't think they're going to win?
[2:02:55] Speaker 1: I'm the judge. All right.
[2:02:56] Speaker 4: So you don't think they're going to win at least
[2:02:57] Speaker 4: two more rings? Jason Tatum and.
[2:02:59] Speaker 1: Jalen Brown together?
[2:03:01] Speaker 2: I mean, tournaments or what?
[2:03:02] Speaker 1: So Larry got three.
[2:03:03] Speaker 2: That's three.
[2:03:04] Speaker 1: How many MVPs you got?
[2:03:06] Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know.
[2:03:09] Speaker 2: How many MVPs you got?
[2:03:10] Speaker 1: I'm the voter. How many MVPs you got? How many
[2:03:13] Speaker 1: finals MVPs you got? I'm the voter. And that's why
[2:03:18] Speaker 1: I said the game is rigged.
[2:03:20] Speaker 2: You can't say that because when your guys get it,
[2:03:23] Speaker 2: it's not rigged when your guys get it. It got
[2:03:26] Speaker 2: to be rigged when everybody got it. Not when certain
[2:03:30] Speaker 2: guys get it. Everybody who got it, it was Michael Jordan.
[2:03:35] Speaker 1: If Michael Jordan, when he was trying to get three
[2:03:37] Speaker 1: in a row, they didn't give it to him both times,
[2:03:40] Speaker 1: it's already, it's in.
[2:03:43] Speaker 2: So Larry Bird is the only player ever in history
[2:03:47] Speaker 2: that's only going to have three.
[2:03:50] Speaker 1: In a row. Forever.
[2:03:51] Speaker 4: Jordan should have got it twice.
[2:03:54] Speaker 1: Jordan should have got it twice.
[2:03:56] Speaker 3: LeBron got his taken by, was it, Rose got it,
[2:04:04] Speaker 3: but was it Harden who got it? Who broke it
[2:04:07] Speaker 3: the second go around? Then it was Giannis should have
[2:04:10] Speaker 3: won three in a row. Yogi should have won three.
[2:04:13] Speaker 1: In a row. Yes.
[2:04:14] Speaker 4: So that's one record you can't break.
[2:04:16] Speaker 1: It looks like they sit here like.
[2:04:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, D-Rose got it in 2011 after LeBron got it
[2:04:21] Speaker 2: in 9-10.
[2:04:22] Speaker 1: Who was that second one?
[2:04:23] Speaker 2: KD.
[2:04:25] Speaker 1: So what else is rigged to you?
[2:04:26] Speaker 4: The MVP, you think guys will be able to get
[2:04:29] Speaker 4: over six rings? Like, do you think a player ever
[2:04:32] Speaker 4: be able to win six anymore?
[2:04:36] Speaker 1: So that's those two. That's going to be hard because.
[2:04:39] Speaker 3: Just because then it was more controllable because it was
[2:04:42] Speaker 3: team controlled. Now, if a player decides to just get
[2:04:45] Speaker 3: up and leave and go to a powerhouse, there's nothing
[2:04:48] Speaker 3: you can do about that. So they're going to have
[2:04:49] Speaker 3: to try to handicap it by money and just hopefully
[2:04:52] Speaker 3: this kid don't just, he don't care about the value
[2:04:55] Speaker 3: of money and then he just, like, but then that
[2:04:58] Speaker 3: becomes like, there's no player out there.
[2:05:02] Speaker 1: Let's just say that's the case.
[2:05:03] Speaker 3: Why are we let's just say let's just say let's
[2:05:06] Speaker 3: just say Wimby as a free agent. He's he's he
[2:05:08] Speaker 3: becomes a free agent and he says, all right, I
[2:05:11] Speaker 3: want to go to the Lakers and I'm going to
[2:05:13] Speaker 3: sign a million dollars a year.
[2:05:17] Speaker 1: Sound business decision. There will be an uproar. There will
[2:05:21] Speaker 1: be a full blown lockout. They're not going to let
[2:05:28] Speaker 1: something like that happen.
[2:05:29] Speaker 3: It will be an investigation. It will be disastrous. You
[2:05:35] Speaker 3: have to get your value. They're going to say no.
[2:05:36] Speaker 3: He has to sign for 300.
[2:05:37] Speaker 1: He can't sign for five and come over here or
[2:05:40] Speaker 1: one million and come over here.
[2:05:41] Speaker 2: Why? To win a ring?
[2:05:42] Speaker 1: No, no. Why? No, you're messing up the value of
[2:05:44] Speaker 1: the league. This is cheating. There's something going on. It
[2:05:47] Speaker 1: ain't cheating.
[2:05:47] Speaker 4: I'm just trying to make sure I get my six
[2:05:49] Speaker 4: rings and I win.
[2:05:49] Speaker 1: Okay, then sign for 30. You can't do it. Why
[2:05:55] Speaker 1: I can't? Why you think it's never been done?
[2:05:57] Speaker 4: Because nobody tried to do it.
[2:05:58] Speaker 1: You just said. There was an article where Ron went
[2:06:01] Speaker 1: to New York, signed $ 1 million in New York to
[2:06:04] Speaker 1: make everybody come. He would have made a billion dollars
[2:06:07] Speaker 1: off the first championship. So why wouldn't Wimby do that?
[2:06:12] Speaker 1: Because you can't. You got to get your value, brother.
[2:06:16] Speaker 3: You can't manipulate the game like that.
[2:06:21] Speaker 4: But they're manipulating us, saying that we can't. get over
[2:06:24] Speaker 4: six rings, and we can't ever beat a three-time MVP.
[2:06:27] Speaker 1: That's basically... Not just the criteria. It ain't that. It's
[2:06:30] Speaker 1: just the criteria change, right? Oh, you got triple-doubles?
[2:06:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, this year.
[2:06:34] Speaker 1: You're on the third one? You averaging 33, 6, and 6? Yeah,
[2:06:40] Speaker 1: that's the new standard. And you're going to be sitting
[2:06:42] Speaker 1: there like this, oh, fuck, I done did that for
[2:06:44] Speaker 1: three years straight being number one, and now I'm number
[2:06:46] Speaker 1: three averaging 33, 6, and 6, and now I'm an MVP.
[2:06:51] Speaker 3: It's... And because there's no structure to it, it moves
[2:06:55] Speaker 3: like the wind. That's why players are so frustrated with
[2:06:59] Speaker 3: that one award because the criteria is not set in stone, right?
[2:07:04] Speaker 1: It should be. The criteria should be if you win
[2:07:06] Speaker 1: it and you don't go on to win a championship,
[2:07:09] Speaker 1: you give it to the guy who did it. Because
[2:07:13] Speaker 1: you were undeserving of it. You hand that bitch over
[2:07:17] Speaker 1: at the end of the fucking championship. You say, here
[2:07:20] Speaker 1: you go, man. They gave it to the wrong person.
[2:07:24] Speaker 1: You said they should wait to the end of whoever
[2:07:26] Speaker 1: the karate kissed off. All right, now, but what if
[2:07:29] Speaker 1: it's somebody who just ain't good? You know what I'm saying?
[2:07:30] Speaker 1: The guy who was actually competing for the MVP race.
[2:07:34] Speaker 1: If he makes it to the championship game, And wins
[2:07:37] Speaker 1: the championship.
[2:07:38] Speaker 2: Oh, if he comes in second and he wins the chip,
[2:07:40] Speaker 2: you should have to relinquish your MVP.
[2:07:41] Speaker 1: You should give him the chip. It just has to be.
[2:07:44] Speaker 1: You should give him the chip. I mean, if it
[2:07:49] Speaker 1: was consistent across the board, then, you know, your team
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: is number one. You got to tell us something. Right?
[2:07:57] Speaker 1: it's just the finish i think you gotta finish it's
[2:08:00] Speaker 1: an invisible one you gotta finish man i think you
[2:08:03] Speaker 1: should always wait to the end and see who finishes well.
[2:08:06] Speaker 2: Then it's not the mvp a regular season award that's
[2:08:08] Speaker 2: yeah you know.
[2:08:09] Speaker 1: I'm saying we do total points right No, we do.
[2:08:13] Speaker 2: They don't do total points. I'm not interested, but that
[2:08:15] Speaker 2: is a stat.
[2:08:16] Speaker 1: What was that, 50,000 points? Yeah, that's the total points.
[2:08:18] Speaker 2: That's regular season and playoffs.
[2:08:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that? That's total points. That's just another category.
[2:08:24] Speaker 2: It's another category.
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: But it's not used in the.
[2:08:27] Speaker 2: In any real metric. It's not used in a real metric.
[2:08:29] Speaker 2: You know, it's just a total... I mean, for LeBron fans,
[2:08:32] Speaker 2: it is. They're going to use that. They're going to
[2:08:34] Speaker 2: use that forever. We're already planning a parade. We have
[2:08:36] Speaker 2: some things in the works.
[2:08:37] Speaker 1: Don't worry. total points right you say okay the whole
[2:08:40] Speaker 1: season we're just going to get this regular season award
[2:08:42] Speaker 1: which is half of a fucking season the real season
[2:08:46] Speaker 1: starts in the post season I'll always say that there's
[2:08:49] Speaker 1: people on this couch that have told me there's people
[2:08:52] Speaker 1: on this couch that have told me they would rather
[2:08:54] Speaker 1: have a regular season MVP than a final MVP no
[2:08:56] Speaker 1: I'm saying it should be a collective it should be
[2:08:58] Speaker 1: a collective award through all three seasons because you got
[2:09:02] Speaker 1: the pre season regular season post season you're only giving
[2:09:05] Speaker 1: the main award through the middle guy when there's a
[2:09:08] Speaker 1: whole other leg of a season to go. So you're
[2:09:11] Speaker 1: like Jimmy Butler say, I only play 75% because really
[2:09:15] Speaker 1: what counts is the 25% that's left on the leg.
[2:09:19] Speaker 1: We did the 75. We cool. We know what that
[2:09:22] Speaker 1: feel like. The other 25 is where it counts. So
[2:09:26] Speaker 1: why is that that.
[2:09:27] Speaker 2: Finals MVP don't count as much as the regular season
[2:09:31] Speaker 2: when this is the most important part of the season?
[2:09:33] Speaker 1: Because the finals MVP is getting off of I get that.
[2:09:37] Speaker 1: I get that.
[2:09:38] Speaker 2: But this is what I'm saying.
[2:09:40] Speaker 1: That regular season MVP is not even in this conversation
[2:09:44] Speaker 1: because he didn't even make it this far. So then
[2:09:47] Speaker 1: it's like, damn, where's the MVP? We in the tail
[2:09:49] Speaker 1: end of the season. You give the MVP to someone
[2:09:51] Speaker 1: who is just good for four games?
[2:09:52] Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying the guys that are good past
[2:09:55] Speaker 2: that 75% threshold.
[2:09:56] Speaker 1: No, the teams that are good. I'm saying the guys
[2:09:59] Speaker 1: that are leading the team. Let's say SGA makes it
[2:10:01] Speaker 1: to the playoffs second round. He's in that threshold. He's
[2:10:05] Speaker 1: in that second tier. 25% of guys is like, hey, look,
[2:10:08] Speaker 1: if he takes him there, he should be the MVP.
[2:10:11] Speaker 1: He's taking his team there. here's him joker he makes
[2:10:14] Speaker 1: it to the third leg man it's undeniable joker's there
[2:10:17] Speaker 1: okay now say let's somebody who's not even in the
[2:10:20] Speaker 1: category of mvp and they take their team to the
[2:10:23] Speaker 1: championship and winning.
[2:10:24] Speaker 2: That's just a that's a that's a anomaly that just
[2:10:27] Speaker 2: happened a glitch in the matrix it's just like a
[2:10:29] Speaker 2: it's like it's like it's like.
[2:10:32] Speaker 1: The uh baltimore ravens making it to the championship and
[2:10:35] Speaker 1: winning it on defense one of those years where it
[2:10:37] Speaker 1: just happened that like that it was a nasty game
[2:10:40] Speaker 1: where nobody really scored.
[2:10:42] Speaker 2: Somebody came in, they won it. So, like, okay, let's
[2:10:45] Speaker 2: take last year.
[2:10:45] Speaker 3: Jalen Brown would have took home MVP and finals MVP,
[2:10:52] Speaker 3: but he wasn't top 15 in the NBA. Like, that ain't...
[2:10:55] Speaker 3: It would have been a wiped year. So he wouldn't
[2:10:58] Speaker 3: get the MVP? He wouldn't get the... Because he wasn't
[2:11:01] Speaker 3: in contention. He wasn't an MVP candidate.
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: But he didn't perform. He didn't perform for it. But
[2:11:07] Speaker 1: he would be that guy. He would.
[2:11:09] Speaker 2: If he was the candidate during the season, regular season,
[2:11:12] Speaker 2: and they won it, he would be the MVP.
[2:11:14] Speaker 4: 100%.
[2:11:16] Speaker 2: Because he was a candidate.
[2:11:17] Speaker 1: But I'm going to just be honest. You can't change
[2:11:21] Speaker 1: it now. Right, you know what I mean?
[2:11:26] Speaker 3: And that's the one thing I don't like about these
[2:11:28] Speaker 3: new things that's now is because you.
[2:11:31] Speaker 1: Have awards that.
[2:11:35] Speaker 3: Are the standard These accolades is standard, like six rings,
[2:11:43] Speaker 3: six finals, like six finals MVP, 10 scoring, defensive player
[2:11:48] Speaker 3: of the year, all-star MVP, steals champ. Those are when
[2:11:53] Speaker 3: we're a little kids, we're sitting here like, I want that.
[2:12:00] Speaker 1: You start mixing, you start changing shit up where now
[2:12:05] Speaker 1: that becomes... Impossible to touch?
[2:12:11] Speaker 3: Like these, Eastern Conference finals, right? Western Conference finals, however.
[2:12:17] Speaker 1: They vote, that shouldn't be part of the metrics. It
[2:12:20] Speaker 1: shouldn't have a high value on it. No, Gil, because
[2:12:23] Speaker 1: if you're going to change the game, we're going to
[2:12:25] Speaker 1: change the rules. and elevate the game. You guys going
[2:12:27] Speaker 1: to change the games the way the game is being played?
[2:12:30] Speaker 1: You're not going to get the same standard or the
[2:12:32] Speaker 1: same rules that we got back then because you guys
[2:12:33] Speaker 1: are already cheating the game by changing the game. So
[2:12:36] Speaker 1: if we're going to change the game, you're going to
[2:12:37] Speaker 1: shoot threes and we're going to change and no more
[2:12:39] Speaker 1: centers and power forwards and all that? Now your path
[2:12:43] Speaker 1: to greatness and the MVP should be harder. It should
[2:12:45] Speaker 1: be harder. No, then that should be it for everybody. Yeah,
[2:12:48] Speaker 1: what you mean? From this point forward? From 79 moved on.
[2:12:51] Speaker 1: The game's been changed since then.
[2:12:56] Speaker 2: No, we're talking about the game since it's been changed.
[2:12:59] Speaker 2: The three-point, the more-point output, less defense, all that shit.
[2:13:03] Speaker 1: Think about it. Putting the three-pointer in gave an unfair
[2:13:07] Speaker 1: advantage to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and, I mean, those guys before him.
[2:13:11] Speaker 3: Because now you're adding another point that wasn't in ours.
[2:13:14] Speaker 3: So you're saying, like, I didn't have a goddamn three-pointer.
[2:13:16] Speaker 1: And then when you're talking about Larry, who was an
[2:13:18] Speaker 1: expert three-pointer, if you look at his early years, it
[2:13:21] Speaker 1: was such a new thing that he didn't even take
[2:13:24] Speaker 1: advantage of it. He didn't even take advantage of the
[2:13:26] Speaker 1: three-pointer because it's new. And then back then, it started
[2:13:29] Speaker 1: off as 24 feet. It wasn't being abused. And then
[2:13:32] Speaker 1: they moved it in 95 to 22 feet.
[2:13:34] Speaker 2: They didn't abuse it.
[2:13:36] Speaker 1: It wasn't abused where we had to even question changing
[2:13:38] Speaker 1: the rules for it or the criteria where the MVP
[2:13:40] Speaker 1: is based on.
[2:13:41] Speaker 4: But the game just got better.
[2:13:42] Speaker 2: How many points did you score?
[2:13:43] Speaker 1: And then hand-checking. Then hand-checking. Like, everybody thinks the hand-check
[2:13:47] Speaker 1: is gone. That hand-check is gone. When his daddy played,
[2:13:52] Speaker 1: this was the hand-check. Two hands? Two hands. This was
[2:13:55] Speaker 1: the handshake where they get to sit there and stop
[2:13:57] Speaker 1: you with both hands. That was the handshake that these motherfuckers,
[2:14:01] Speaker 1: bring back the handshake. No, what y'all are yelling, the
[2:14:05] Speaker 1: one hand handshake that the 80s and 90s had, that's
[2:14:09] Speaker 1: never went anywhere. This was the handshake that they're saying
[2:14:13] Speaker 1: bring back. But regardless, you got to bring something back.
[2:14:16] Speaker 1: If you can manipulate the game to the point that
[2:14:18] Speaker 1: you can foul bait, and we got to say that
[2:14:20] Speaker 1: that's smart instead of saying it's soft.
[2:14:22] Speaker 2: Wait, foul baiting has gone on for years. Listen to
[2:14:26] Speaker 2: what I'm saying. If we're going to change the game
[2:14:29] Speaker 2: and change the rules and criterias for certain things, you
[2:14:32] Speaker 2: got to look at how the game has changed.
[2:14:35] Speaker 1: Been manipulated. Foul baiting. If I'm going to play good, hard,
[2:14:38] Speaker 1: strong defense where I don't have to use two hands,
[2:14:41] Speaker 1: ain't no way you can just do this and flail
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: and get a fucking flopping.
[2:14:44] Speaker 2: As a defender, I'm like, come on, man.
[2:14:47] Speaker 1: Come on, man. I can't even touch you, bro. You
[2:14:49] Speaker 1: trying to get me out. You trying to get me
[2:14:51] Speaker 1: in foul trouble. You're not trying to play ball where
[2:14:53] Speaker 1: I can actually guard you. Let me play defense so
[2:14:55] Speaker 1: you don't foul the flake. But then this guy is
[2:14:58] Speaker 1: averaging 10 free throws a game. It puts him in
[2:15:01] Speaker 1: all NBA. Now he has awards and things dictated based
[2:15:05] Speaker 1: on how we're playing defense, on how he's manipulated the game.
[2:15:08] Speaker 1: And y'all don't want the criteria to be harder for
[2:15:11] Speaker 1: these guys? No. No. That's crazy. Now, the reason I
[2:15:14] Speaker 1: say this is... That's crazy. I'm rolling with you.
[2:15:17] Speaker 2: That's crazy, because you can flail and flop your way
[2:15:19] Speaker 2: to an all-star.
[2:15:21] Speaker 4: I mean, the game has changed.
[2:15:22] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. As an offensive player... Think about it. I'm
[2:15:27] Speaker 1: manipulating it. What does that mean? That means you're shortcutting. No,
[2:15:30] Speaker 1: that's a lie. It is. You're shortcutting. That means I
[2:15:34] Speaker 1: am watching so much film.
[2:15:36] Speaker 3: That means I'm studying so much to understand how you
[2:15:42] Speaker 3: play the game, that you like to do this first
[2:15:44] Speaker 3: or you like to hold it like this. I'm watching
[2:15:47] Speaker 3: so much film on you that I can bait you.
[2:15:49] Speaker 1: But if you miss it, if you miss it. Know
[2:15:52] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I can bait you.
[2:15:53] Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. Listen to what I'm saying.
[2:15:55] Speaker 2: When you miss it, when you miss the bait, that
[2:15:59] Speaker 2: is forced. You're flopping and that should be a penalty
[2:16:03] Speaker 2: because you didn't get it.
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: It's not. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about
[2:16:07] Speaker 1: the guy who's out there and they're not as smart
[2:16:09] Speaker 1: as you to actually execute the fucking foul bait. If
[2:16:13] Speaker 1: it's an actual skill, like you're saying, you got to
[2:16:16] Speaker 1: execute that because if you miss it, That's a turnover
[2:16:20] Speaker 1: offensive foul. It should be against you. But that's what happened.
[2:16:23] Speaker 1: But it's not. No, it isn't. It does not. They
[2:16:25] Speaker 1: are not putting up. You know what I'm talking about
[2:16:27] Speaker 1: when I'm talking about foul baiting. I know what you're
[2:16:29] Speaker 1: talking about. When you flopping and, oh, hey, hey.
[2:16:31] Speaker 2: You get that call every time. James Harden gets that call.
[2:16:34] Speaker 1: And you see it now.
[2:16:35] Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is the best, and you know it. Because
[2:16:37] Speaker 2: foul baiter number one.
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: He's good at it. He's good at it. Listen, foul, listen.
[2:16:42] Speaker 1: If I. So you don't like what James was doing?
[2:16:44] Speaker 2: I'm just saying if he misses it.
[2:16:45] Speaker 1: But that used to be a shooting foul. If he
[2:16:47] Speaker 1: misses the bait. If he doesn't get that bait and they.
[2:16:50] Speaker 2: Don't call that, it should be something on him because
[2:16:54] Speaker 2: the only thing now is for them to call it
[2:16:57] Speaker 2: because it was never nothing to begin with.
[2:16:59] Speaker 1: He's forcing that the whole time. So it's up to
[2:17:02] Speaker 1: them to call it. I'm sitting there like, I know
[2:17:05] Speaker 1: he's doing it again. Here he go. He's trying to
[2:17:07] Speaker 1: see if I'm going to get it. Here he come again.
[2:17:09] Speaker 1: So if I don't go for it, if I don't
[2:17:11] Speaker 1: go for it, he should be called for something. What
[2:17:14] Speaker 1: is the difference between Kobe Pumpkin? If I don't go
[2:17:18] Speaker 1: for it, He's going to miss that shot. It's a turnover.
[2:17:21] Speaker 4: It's a bad shot.
[2:17:23] Speaker 1: It's a turnover. It's all that.
[2:17:25] Speaker 4: But the pump fake, that's a fundamental skill.
[2:17:29] Speaker 1: No, it was an early version of it, right? All
[2:17:34] Speaker 1: he's doing is saying, you guys are not as disciplined
[2:17:37] Speaker 1: as I am. Three. Two, bro.
[2:17:42] Speaker 2: One.
[2:17:42] Speaker 1: We talking about dead ball. No, no, Gil. We talking
[2:17:45] Speaker 1: about dead ball.
[2:17:46] Speaker 2: Swing, swing.
[2:17:47] Speaker 1: I got you on the closeout. You ain't got it.
[2:17:50] Speaker 1: I'm here. Straight up. You just.
[2:17:52] Speaker 2: And then you throw your.
[2:17:53] Speaker 1: Body into me and throw it up. And I get
[2:17:56] Speaker 1: a foul. That's bullshit. That's rough, though.
[2:17:59] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It's a foul bait. You're baiting
[2:18:02] Speaker 2: the ref to say, hey! And actually, that's a foul
[2:18:04] Speaker 2: on the offensive line.
[2:18:05] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[2:18:06] Speaker 2: So it's a lot of guys who know.
[2:18:07] Speaker 1: That, Shea.
[2:18:08] Speaker 2: James, Austin Reeves, Trey Young, a lot of guys, Luka, Jokic,
[2:18:14] Speaker 2: Joker know it, Giannis knows it.
[2:18:17] Speaker 1: The guys are like, man, I could just go in there, hey. So, Sean,
[2:18:19] Speaker 1: let me ask you a question.
[2:18:20] Speaker 2: How is that any different than what Kobe used to
[2:18:22] Speaker 2: do when he used to yell, hey, hey.
[2:18:24] Speaker 1: After every shot? But that's part of it. But that's,
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: you're trying to trick a ref.
[2:18:27] Speaker 2: It's an advantage through manipulation. I said, that is a
[2:18:30] Speaker 2: part of the game that you have to say is that,
[2:18:35] Speaker 2: an advantage for the offense more than it is for
[2:18:37] Speaker 2: the defense.
[2:18:38] Speaker 3: No, and this is why I say no, because one
[2:18:42] Speaker 3: group is studying how to bait you.
[2:18:48] Speaker 1: The defensive group.
[2:18:50] Speaker 3: Is not sitting there watching hours of film on how
[2:18:53] Speaker 3: to stop him.
[2:18:54] Speaker 2: We can't stop that because it's dependent on the feel.
[2:18:57] Speaker 1: It's dependent on the whistle. When have you seen your
[2:18:59] Speaker 1: defensive players sitting there just studying players? What are you
[2:19:01] Speaker 1: talking about? We do it all the time.
[2:19:03] Speaker 4: You don't think.
[2:19:03] Speaker 1: There's only a few... You can tell.
[2:19:04] Speaker 2: You don't think Patrick Beverly was like.
[2:19:06] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is... You can tell how.
[2:19:08] Speaker 2: Offensive players do what he's saying. We used to do this.
[2:19:11] Speaker 2: We have to learn how to guard. This is called
[2:19:13] Speaker 2: scouting report. The guys who do the scouting report.
[2:19:16] Speaker 1: But I'm saying the attributes in the scouting report. When
[2:19:18] Speaker 1: you say we're doing this action, Gilbert, this is what
[2:19:21] Speaker 1: he likes to do. We got to watch. All right. Tendencies.
[2:19:25] Speaker 1: We watching his tendencies.
[2:19:27] Speaker 2: Gil loves to go right and he is going to
[2:19:29] Speaker 2: bait for foul. If you are not inside or outside
[2:19:32] Speaker 2: the charge line, he's going to dive into you. First
[2:19:36] Speaker 2: and foremost. If you're not there to take the charge,
[2:19:38] Speaker 2: he's going to get it. Gilbert is known for doing it.
[2:19:40] Speaker 2: We had the whole thing blocked out for him.
[2:19:43] Speaker 1: But he still manipulated it because our point guard was
[2:19:46] Speaker 1: not disciplined like he knows. But that's baby level. I
[2:19:48] Speaker 1: know that. I'm talking about individually. as a, when you
[2:19:53] Speaker 1: go into the summer, when I go into the summer,
[2:19:56] Speaker 1: I look at everybody who played great defense on me,
[2:19:59] Speaker 1: and then I watch their movements, their natural habits, like
[2:20:02] Speaker 1: somebody like, let's say Andre Iguodala, right? Because he was long,
[2:20:07] Speaker 1: if you actually got by him, his first motion was
[2:20:10] Speaker 1: to try to swipe behind. That was the first thing
[2:20:13] Speaker 1: he did. So I knew that, so when I'm playing
[2:20:15] Speaker 1: by him, when he got by me, it was a
[2:20:17] Speaker 1: natural reaction, put it in front, right? I know as
[2:20:21] Speaker 1: a defensive player, if I throw the ball in front
[2:20:23] Speaker 1: of you as a human being, you look at the ball, right?
[2:20:26] Speaker 1: You look and reach. That's where, throw the ball, you're
[2:20:30] Speaker 1: going to go, and I pull it up. I learned
[2:20:32] Speaker 1: that from Death of Shrimp. Right?
[2:20:34] Speaker 3: He used to do this post-up, and then he said
[2:20:36] Speaker 3: what he'd do is put a ball out here.
[2:20:38] Speaker 2: The KG used to do the same thing.
[2:20:39] Speaker 1: He'd put the ball out there. KG used to do
[2:20:40] Speaker 1: the same thing. He said, your natural behavior will reach.
[2:20:42] Speaker 1: As soon as they reach, pull it up. So I
[2:20:44] Speaker 1: used it on the fast break. Throw it out there,
[2:20:46] Speaker 1: and then pull up. You know what? Back in the East,
[2:20:49] Speaker 1: they used to cuff it, right, and come. Yeah, to
[2:20:51] Speaker 1: step on my foot. No, it's right for Austin. But
[2:20:55] Speaker 1: that became a horrible move with strong motherfuckers. Because if
[2:20:59] Speaker 1: I'm coming in and I cuff it, and he cuffed
[2:21:01] Speaker 1: with me, they can't tell if he has my arm
[2:21:03] Speaker 1: or not. Now think about refs. He was doing it wrong.
[2:21:05] Speaker 1: He was doing the move wrong. But think about ref placement.
[2:21:07] Speaker 1: Now think about ref placement. One back here, one back here.
[2:21:11] Speaker 1: And one over there. Right? So the one that's on
[2:21:13] Speaker 1: the baseline side, I seen Luka do it. Luka came
[2:21:16] Speaker 1: to do reach.
[2:21:17] Speaker 3: He did this to try to get the foul.
[2:21:20] Speaker 1: He didn't get it. Ref can't see it. Your back's
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: behind you. That guy's too far. So if I'm coming
[2:21:25] Speaker 1: this way, and those are my placements, I need them
[2:21:29] Speaker 1: to see the foul, so I'm going to drop low,
[2:21:31] Speaker 1: when they drop low, once he gets it, pull high.
[2:21:34] Speaker 1: That means boom, boom, and boom, gets to see that foul.
[2:21:38] Speaker 1: If I keep it low, nobody sees the foul because
[2:21:41] Speaker 1: no ref is looking down. They're going to always look up.
[2:21:43] Speaker 1: So there's little.
[2:21:44] Speaker 3: Things, but as a player, that's what I'm learning in
[2:21:48] Speaker 3: the summer on my moves.
[2:21:50] Speaker 1: There's no defender sitting there trying to really dictate. Only
[2:21:53] Speaker 1: the elite of the elite. Only the elite of the
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: elite is looking at offensive players. So for the most part, 95%
[2:22:02] Speaker 1: of defenders... are just still basic level.
[2:22:06] Speaker 3: So now it becomes discipline or not discipline.
[2:22:09] Speaker 1: BJ, this is what I'm trying to tell him. I'm
[2:22:11] Speaker 1: trying to tell him this. If I know you are
[2:22:13] Speaker 1: a foul baiter, you don't give a fuck about the team.
[2:22:18] Speaker 1: I know you're trying to always bait and try to
[2:22:21] Speaker 1: get to the line or try to do something for yourself.
[2:22:25] Speaker 1: So as a foul baiter, what I'm saying as a defender,
[2:22:29] Speaker 1: if you're not foul baiting, it's difficult for you to
[2:22:32] Speaker 1: get your shit off.
[2:22:33] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[2:22:34] Speaker 1: Because you're looking and forcing contact. Yeah, you need that contact.
[2:22:38] Speaker 1: You need that contact for anything that you're doing to
[2:22:40] Speaker 1: look good. So if we play straight up hoop, where
[2:22:44] Speaker 1: if we roll the ball out one-on-one and we're calling
[2:22:48] Speaker 1: our own fouls, you're going to call foul every time. No,
[2:22:52] Speaker 1: you're not. You are going to call foul. No, because
[2:22:54] Speaker 1: I know you're not going to give it to me.
[2:22:55] Speaker 1: We're going to argue about it, so there's no point.
[2:22:56] Speaker 1: But you're going to call foul every time because you're
[2:22:59] Speaker 1: going to go at it where you're trying to get
[2:23:01] Speaker 1: fouled instead of trying to score. You're not trying to score.
[2:23:05] Speaker 1: You're trying to find a foul.
[2:23:06] Speaker 2: You're trying to get fouled. You're not trying to score.
[2:23:09] Speaker 2: Because then if you're trying to score.
[2:23:10] Speaker 1: We're hooping. No one does it at UCLA. No one
[2:23:13] Speaker 1: does it because you know you're not going to get
[2:23:15] Speaker 1: that call. This is an NBA indie arena card. No
[2:23:18] Speaker 1: one does it in practice.
[2:23:19] Speaker 3: Like, you're not giving me that call in practice, so
[2:23:21] Speaker 3: I don't even play that way.
[2:23:22] Speaker 2: So why do you know you're going to get that
[2:23:24] Speaker 2: call in the game?
[2:23:26] Speaker 1: Because it's part of the rules.
[2:23:27] Speaker 2: You know because you're foul baiting.
[2:23:29] Speaker 1: You know you can get away with it. You would
[2:23:32] Speaker 1: never do it in pickup because we would look at
[2:23:34] Speaker 1: you like, man, get this soft-ass shit out of here.
[2:23:37] Speaker 1: He call a foul every time.
[2:23:38] Speaker 2: What are you doing?
[2:23:39] Speaker 1: You're going to say, man, I do this shit in
[2:23:40] Speaker 1: the game. I'm going to fuck about. I mean, some
[2:23:42] Speaker 1: people who do do it in the game, they're going
[2:23:44] Speaker 1: to do it outside. They're going to do it. No
[2:23:46] Speaker 1: one does it outside because you're not giving it to me.
[2:23:48] Speaker 1: It's a pointless thing. So why would you? That's why
[2:23:50] Speaker 1: you've never seen Lou Williams do it. James Harden don't
[2:23:52] Speaker 1: do the moves. They know it's not respected.
[2:23:55] Speaker 2: Well, he don't go to UCLA and still be.
[2:23:57] Speaker 1: No, because he don't get it. You have to call
[2:23:59] Speaker 1: the move foul. Why don't you get it? You've never
[2:24:00] Speaker 1: seen him. Why don't you get it? Why don't you
[2:24:03] Speaker 1: get it, Joe? Why don't you get that foul?
[2:24:04] Speaker 2: Well, in theory, he could get it because offense calls fouls.
[2:24:07] Speaker 1: Oh, why don't he call those fouls? Why don't he
[2:24:10] Speaker 1: try to do that? And why don't we give him
[2:24:12] Speaker 1: those calls?
[2:24:13] Speaker 4: Because, you know, Rico and him ain't going to call it.
[2:24:14] Speaker 1: We're not calling it.
[2:24:15] Speaker 3: Because there's no benefit for me doing this.
[2:24:18] Speaker 1: To take the ball out. Exactly. In an NBA game,
[2:24:21] Speaker 1: think about what you just said.
[2:24:22] Speaker 2: We don't shoot free throws in pick-up games.
[2:24:24] Speaker 1: I know, but we get the ball back. I know.
[2:24:26] Speaker 1: Ball up top. I'm still up top.
[2:24:28] Speaker 2: I'm playing to win, so I'm going to keep playing
[2:24:30] Speaker 2: the same way.
[2:24:31] Speaker 1: I know. Magic Johnson, the only person that calls fouls
[2:24:34] Speaker 1: every time. If you get four straight fouls, And pick up.
[2:24:37] Speaker 1: If I'm working a nigga so tough four straight in
[2:24:39] Speaker 1: a row, he got to score. That can't count, right?
[2:24:41] Speaker 2: There's not a bonus, though.
[2:24:42] Speaker 1: How many before we count? None?
[2:24:44] Speaker 2: So we just going to keep playing.
[2:24:46] Speaker 1: He going to keep fouling me because I'm working him.
[2:24:48] Speaker 1: I'm working.
[2:24:49] Speaker 2: So at some point, what are we doing? That's a
[2:24:52] Speaker 2: foul every time we done played for 20 minutes, and
[2:24:54] Speaker 2: he keep fouling.
[2:24:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's called point game. That's called point game. We
[2:24:57] Speaker 1: just started, though. Sometimes it's not a foul, and Magic's
[2:25:00] Speaker 1: going to call it every time anyway.
[2:25:02] Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying, like, man, if you're going to bait
[2:25:04] Speaker 2: foul and play like that, like, yo, what.
[2:25:06] Speaker 1: Are we doing? I can't guard none of that. I
[2:25:08] Speaker 1: can't guard you, bro. You're going to... Luka, talking about
[2:25:12] Speaker 1: some nicks. Man ain't even touched you at all. He
[2:25:15] Speaker 1: plays straight up D the whole time. And he look
[2:25:17] Speaker 1: at the ref like, damn, ref, he fouling me. Come on, bro.
[2:25:19] Speaker 1: I can't win. But think about the elite. Drew don't
[2:25:22] Speaker 1: get baited. Kawhi don't get baited.
[2:25:27] Speaker 4: Dylan probably a little bit.
[2:25:30] Speaker 1: A little bit sometimes.
[2:25:31] Speaker 3: But he don't really, let's say, who's really solid.
[2:25:35] Speaker 1: Ben Simmons really don't get baited. Lonzo Ball, Caruso, you know,
[2:25:43] Speaker 1: I know who I can bait.
[2:25:46] Speaker 3: Just like I know if I'm going to the lane,
[2:25:48] Speaker 3: let's say I come off the pick and roll and
[2:25:49] Speaker 3: JaVale McGee's there. I know as long as I keep
[2:25:53] Speaker 3: my dribble, he's going to have a habit of opening
[2:25:56] Speaker 3: up the lane. So he's not going to try to
[2:25:58] Speaker 3: cut me off. He's not going to Ben Wallace me.
[2:26:00] Speaker 3: He's going to come.
[2:26:01] Speaker 1: He's going to open up the lane because he wants
[2:26:03] Speaker 1: to try to meet me at the rim with the block.
[2:26:05] Speaker 1: So because I know that, I know what he's going
[2:26:08] Speaker 1: to do.
[2:26:09] Speaker 3: I'm going to use his undisciplined against come and then
[2:26:12] Speaker 3: jump into him to get the lay because I know
[2:26:15] Speaker 3: his style.
[2:26:16] Speaker 2: Do I need to do that? Huh? Do I need
[2:26:17] Speaker 2: to do that though?
[2:26:19] Speaker 1: Need to do what?
[2:26:20] Speaker 2: Do I need to do that to get to my shit?
[2:26:22] Speaker 2: Do I need to do that? I know that's a
[2:26:24] Speaker 2: part of adding that to my game. if that's how
[2:26:29] Speaker 2: you start the game, how you finish the game, that
[2:26:31] Speaker 2: was the Kevin Martin shit. Foul bait. Foul bait. Foul bait,
[2:26:35] Speaker 2: foul bait. And it gets you there. Listen, it gets
[2:26:37] Speaker 2: you there.
[2:26:37] Speaker 1: It makes you efficient. It makes you hard to guard.
[2:26:40] Speaker 1: But when you can't touch a motherfucker out there, you can't, man.
[2:26:44] Speaker 1: Be disciplined. Man, when they just, because he's doing, ah!
[2:26:49] Speaker 1: Devin Harris, stay away. I'll tell you in a minute,
[2:26:52] Speaker 1: none of them muscles, not even basketball. Them muscles don't
[2:26:55] Speaker 1: mean nothing.
[2:26:56] Speaker 2: You be like, where you with the school at? You
[2:26:57] Speaker 2: be like, where you with the school?
[2:26:58] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Where you from? Oh, man, y'all don't even,
[2:27:01] Speaker 1: y'all call foul. We don't even be calling foul. We just, ooh.
[2:27:04] Speaker 1: Ain't no... Who called ball? Who called ball, man? Who
[2:27:08] Speaker 1: calling ball? I got my two fouls and he asked me,
[2:27:13] Speaker 1: was that a foul? I'm like, nope. But I'm taking
[2:27:15] Speaker 1: two shots. It don't matter what I say. They hate me.
[2:27:19] Speaker 2: I talk the whole time.
[2:27:20] Speaker 1: Soft. What is that? That's what we doing out here? Fuck.
[2:27:24] Speaker 2: And then I call every time.
[2:27:26] Speaker 1: As soon as you want to call a bullshit call,
[2:27:28] Speaker 1: guess who calling them? 20 straight calls.
[2:27:31] Speaker 2: 20 straight calls.
[2:27:32] Speaker 1: Don't touch me. Don't breathe on me. Foul. I'm going
[2:27:37] Speaker 1: to make it until I make it.
[2:27:38] Speaker 2: Until I make it.
[2:27:39] Speaker 1: Ball up top.
[2:27:40] Speaker 3: One when I've never called the foul and pick up
[2:27:43] Speaker 3: It's pointless Two jump shots later. I mean this But
[2:27:49] Speaker 3: it's bad habits.
[2:27:50] Speaker 1: Well, you like to be if he's strong. I know
[2:27:52] Speaker 1: what he wants to do. I He's out of there.
[2:27:55] Speaker 1: Sit him on the bench, coach. Ball up top. Ball
[2:27:57] Speaker 1: up top.
[2:27:59] Speaker 4: I ain't trying to get off the court.
[2:28:00] Speaker 1: Ball up top. He's scared, coach.
[2:28:02] Speaker 2: He ain't driving on me. I see him driving in
[2:28:06] Speaker 2: the game all the time. At 24, he passed the
[2:28:09] Speaker 2: ball and swing it.
[2:28:10] Speaker 1: Oh, you're talking about pick up? He don't want no smoke.
[2:28:13] Speaker 1: He don't want no smoke. All the time I get
[2:28:16] Speaker 1: to play against him is in the summer. He passed.
[2:28:17] Speaker 1: He passed. That's Brian Russell. Put me on his team
[2:28:20] Speaker 1: and say no. Halftime 50. I shoot every shot. This
[2:28:29] Speaker 1: is no team. This is no team. This is all
[2:28:32] Speaker 1: my self-workout. I worked out just now, and I'm tightening
[2:28:35] Speaker 1: this shit right now. I'm tightening this shit right here.
[2:28:38] Speaker 1: You ain't even got to worry about nothing. You can
[2:28:40] Speaker 1: double all your work.
[2:28:41] Speaker 4: I know.
[2:28:42] Speaker 1: We saw you in that two-on-two. We saw you in
[2:28:44] Speaker 1: that two-on-two. I didn't pass it to NBA players that's
[2:28:49] Speaker 1: making millions. You think I'm passing it to you as
[2:28:52] Speaker 1: a regular human being at pick-up? You better tell your friends, hey,
[2:28:57] Speaker 1: I just played with Gilderina. That's all you got from me.
[2:28:59] Speaker 1: I just played with Gilderina. I just played with Gilderina.
[2:29:02] Speaker 1: That's all you got. That's our next answer. It's stories.
[2:29:06] Speaker 2: Let's move on to Mostly Fans. That's what I'm saying.
[2:29:10] Speaker 2: Presented by the good folks at Underdog. Download the app,
[2:29:12] Speaker 2: use promo code GIL, get up to $ 1, 000 in bonus cash,
[2:29:14] Speaker 2: plus a special pick-up. So we have one question from
[2:29:17] Speaker 2: Underdog user DJBuchanan5. He wants to know, if Tatum can't
[2:29:22] Speaker 2: win MVP being the best player on the best team,
[2:29:25] Speaker 2: Why doesn't that matter with SGA?
[2:29:29] Speaker 1: SGA won MVP?
[2:29:30] Speaker 2: That's where I was going with it. But I think.
[2:29:32] Speaker 1: Wait, what?
[2:29:33] Speaker 2: If Tatum can't win MVP, being the best player on
[2:29:36] Speaker 2: the best team, why doesn't that matter with SGA?
[2:29:38] Speaker 4: SGA.
[2:29:40] Speaker 4: Because do you see what jersey that Jason Tatum has
[2:29:42] Speaker 4: on when he plays?
[2:29:43] Speaker 2: Paul Pierce actually alluded that today, talking about the hate
[2:29:45] Speaker 2: that the Celtics.
[2:29:46] Speaker 4: His expectations are way higher than SGA's.
[2:29:50] Speaker 3: Best player on the best team not winning an MVP.
[2:29:56] Speaker 1: Well, he hasn't won it yet. Well, I mean, technically, yeah.
[2:29:58] Speaker 1: SGA has not won it. SGA didn't win it last
[2:30:00] Speaker 1: year either.
[2:30:00] Speaker 3: I mean, technically, SGA is the one who didn't win
[2:30:04] Speaker 3: it last year. Tatum wasn't even close to it, right?
[2:30:07] Speaker 3: Wasn't he in the top five? I think six, man.
[2:30:09] Speaker 1: He was in the top five. Yeah, he was in
[2:30:10] Speaker 1: the sixth.
[2:30:11] Speaker 2: Oh.
[2:30:11] Speaker 1: Brunson, I want to say, jumped him. Yeah, so he
[2:30:13] Speaker 1: wasn't even.
[2:30:15] Speaker 3: Like right now, if I'm Donovan Mitchell, if I'm Donovan Mitchell,
[2:30:18] Speaker 3: I'm sitting.
[2:30:18] Speaker 1: Here like, hey, yo. Hey, yo, I know LeBron ain't here,
[2:30:23] Speaker 1: but God damn.
[2:30:25] Speaker 2: Our Cavs fans in attendance appreciate that.
[2:30:27] Speaker 1: Do I got to change the number to 23 around
[2:30:29] Speaker 1: this bitch? No, you just got to be a little taller.
[2:30:33] Speaker 1: I know you. I got 45. That's Michael Jordan when
[2:30:35] Speaker 1: he came back. I'm saying some. That's the point trying
[2:30:39] Speaker 1: to be made. That was a disrespect. Put on that 45.
[2:30:41] Speaker 2: Adam doesn't really get in the combo with SGA.
[2:30:44] Speaker 1: I'm not LeBron. I'm just the throwback Jordan around this
[2:30:47] Speaker 1: motherfucker around here. I mean, if you first place... You
[2:30:55] Speaker 1: should naturally just be in the talks.
[2:30:59] Speaker 2: At least top two.
[2:31:00] Speaker 3: They should be in the talks of MVP. They should
[2:31:02] Speaker 3: just mention a nigga's name. Like, throw him a name
[2:31:05] Speaker 3: up there, you know. Like Cavs number one option.
[2:31:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. You know, he just jumped into the, you know,
[2:31:10] Speaker 1: what about him? You know, the MVP. Let me smile
[2:31:13] Speaker 1: a little bit. Like, yeah, they gonna fuck that color again. Hey, baby,
[2:31:17] Speaker 1: you see that?
[2:31:17] Speaker 6: Go, go, go, go.
[2:31:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, they threw the nigga name in there. Give me something.
[2:31:21] Speaker 1: They threw him. Don't pretend. They pretending that this ain't
[2:31:25] Speaker 1: even the city right now. Hey, hey.
[2:31:27] Speaker 4: Hey, yo, if the Lakers finish two... Do you think J.J.
[2:31:30] Speaker 2: Reddick can... Oh, no.
[2:31:31] Speaker 1: Coach of the year? Yeah. Oh, no, he got the
[2:31:33] Speaker 1: coach of the year. Oh, they writing that motherfucker in
[2:31:36] Speaker 1: right now.
[2:31:36] Speaker 4: He coach of the year?
[2:31:37] Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, right now, they trying to take the name
[2:31:39] Speaker 1: off of it. They trying to take... Damn. The script
[2:31:42] Speaker 1: was in so much, they got a name, they got
[2:31:44] Speaker 1: to chase the plate. They going to get this... Coach
[2:31:49] Speaker 1: of the year.
[2:31:50] Speaker 4: They finished it.
[2:31:51] Speaker 1: Coach of the year. The motherfucker really said J.J. He
[2:31:55] Speaker 1: was getting us all to put a regular plate on there.
[2:31:57] Speaker 1: Coach of the year.
[2:31:58] Speaker 2: Former host of the Mind the Game podcast, for those
[2:32:00] Speaker 2: who may recall. I had a great four or five
[2:32:02] Speaker 2: episode run. Okay, I'm just asking.
[2:32:04] Speaker 1: Never. Okay.
[2:32:05] Speaker 2: Never.
[2:32:05] Speaker 1: All right.
[2:32:06] Speaker 2: Lakers second place finish.
[2:32:08] Speaker 1: What? What? Sean, you had them pimps. Sean. What did
[2:32:10] Speaker 1: he do? Huh?
[2:32:12] Speaker 2: What did he do?
[2:32:13] Speaker 1: More than Hot Pockets. Sean, you ever see the... Hey, Sean.
[2:32:15] Speaker 1: Stop it. You seen Denzel in training day?
[2:32:18] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[2:32:18] Speaker 1: Right? He did a good-ass job, right? Just remember, there
[2:32:22] Speaker 1: was a script to that movie. Right? And what he did, okay,
[2:32:30] Speaker 1: so I die at the end, but okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
[2:32:32] Speaker 1: as long as I do all this, Oscar. What you
[2:32:36] Speaker 1: don't realize is the moment in which he had the Oscar,
[2:32:41] Speaker 1: he went off script. J.J. going off script, too. He
[2:32:44] Speaker 1: went off script. Mm-hmm. All right?
[2:32:47] Speaker 2: So let's not go off script.
[2:32:49] Speaker 1: You know what I want to do?
[2:32:49] Speaker 2: Let's not go off script.
[2:32:51] Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead.
[2:32:52] Speaker 2: Just saying, we're fucking around going off script.
[2:32:54] Speaker 1: This ain't how it was written. It'd be crazy. Remember
[2:32:57] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? It'd be crazy when they start saying
[2:33:01] Speaker 1: LeBron James MVP.
[2:33:03] Speaker 2: Not crazy at all, Gil. Honestly, I think very rational, reasonable.
[2:33:06] Speaker 1: No, I'm surprised it hasn't started. I ain't getting no
[2:33:11] Speaker 1: extra check for that yet.
[2:33:11] Speaker 2: There was no check delivered yet.
[2:33:12] Speaker 1: I ain't getting no check for that yet. Hold on,
[2:33:15] Speaker 1: let me make sure. Underdog direct deposit did hit, though. No, no,
[2:33:17] Speaker 1: not that one.
[2:33:18] Speaker 3: I'm talking about clutch. Not with the C, but the K.
[2:33:23] Speaker 3: Soon as it hits, all I remember is LeBron James
[2:33:28] Speaker 3: is number one in MVP voting.
[2:33:31] Speaker 2: That's all I know.
[2:33:31] Speaker 1: He should be.
[2:33:32] Speaker 2: I was the only person to vote for him last year.
[2:33:35] Speaker 2: You voted for LeBron, but was that done in jest
[2:33:37] Speaker 2: out or was that serious? I was the only person
[2:33:39] Speaker 2: to actually vote for him.
[2:33:41] Speaker 1: What are y'all talking about?
[2:33:43] Speaker 2: But you voted because you knew he wasn't going to win.
[2:33:48] Speaker 1: No, I voted because he had.
[2:33:49] Speaker 2: The exact same numbers that he has right now. He
[2:33:53] Speaker 2: has the exact same.
[2:33:54] Speaker 1: Numbers that he had.
[2:33:55] Speaker 2: If he votes for LeBron, he knows for sure LeBron
[2:33:57] Speaker 2: don't have no chance. If he got LeBron, he knows
[2:33:59] Speaker 2: LeBron got no chance.
[2:34:00] Speaker 1: That's the thing. Let me just go ahead and get him.
[2:34:04] Speaker 1: Exact same number. Exact same number.
[2:34:06] Speaker 2: He's a shoe-in. He's a shoe-in.
[2:34:10] Speaker 1: Rookie of the year. Ronnie James. Easy. Easy. Easy as hell.
[2:34:15] Speaker 2: Reasonable assessment based on all that he's done for the league.
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[2:34:43] Speaker 2: Let's get it going.
[2:34:43] Speaker 1: Let's get to this, man. Hey, man, I'm getting more
[2:34:44] Speaker 1: excited the closer we get to the party. Yes. To
[2:34:49] Speaker 1: the party.
[2:34:50] Speaker 4: You know what I mean? We're trying to do this
[2:34:52] Speaker 4: party before the season. We're trying to do the party
[2:34:54] Speaker 4: before the season ends. Oh, we're trying to do the
[2:34:56] Speaker 4: party before April.
[2:34:57] Speaker 1: Okay. We're trying to get there. The boom, boom, boom.
[2:35:00] Speaker 1: The boom, boom, boom. The boom, boom, boom. Brother, the one, yeah. Oh,
[2:35:03] Speaker 1: you're talking about, oh. No shot, shot. Listen, listen, listen, listen.
[2:35:08] Speaker 1: Do I got to call my system or something else?
[2:35:11] Speaker 2: You said we got poker, dice, strippers.
[2:35:13] Speaker 4: Boom, boom, boom.
[2:35:14] Speaker 3: There's reports of a dice game. It's not going to
[2:35:16] Speaker 3: be the boom room. I'm just going to say it's
[2:35:17] Speaker 3: going to be the.
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[2:35:35] Speaker 4: Walking around hard.
[2:35:36] Speaker 1: No, not me. 36 hours. Not me, man. I'm a chill, man.
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[2:35:49] Speaker 1: can have the undies. Y'all can sit here. We got
[2:35:53] Speaker 1: the undies. We got Rose Park.
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[2:36:39] Speaker 2: was a very... Y'all did a lot of breakdowns. The
[2:36:41] Speaker 2: chat really likes when you guys break down.
[2:36:43] Speaker 4: We got the breakdown today.
[2:36:44] Speaker 1: That was all right. We're going to have to go
[2:36:45] Speaker 1: get this big screen. We're getting a big screen. First
[2:36:48] Speaker 1: of all, I need my fade back on the shootout
[2:36:49] Speaker 1: on Thursday. Can we put up that? Okay, I'm with that.
[2:36:52] Speaker 1: We going back to the court? I'm with that. Thursday,
[2:36:53] Speaker 1: I'm down. Shootout fade?
[2:36:56] Speaker 2: Shoot.
[2:36:56] Speaker 1: I'm curious. Nah, he got to be a part of
[2:36:58] Speaker 1: this one, though. Yeah. Because he ducked the fade the
[2:37:00] Speaker 1: first time.
[2:37:01] Speaker 4: So another 100?
[2:37:02] Speaker 1: Yeah. Another 100? I mean, because we won the last one.
[2:37:04] Speaker 1: Is that Elijah? That was Elijah. I'm bringing 25. I'm
[2:37:09] Speaker 1: bringing 25.
[2:37:10] Speaker 2: Cash.
[2:37:11] Speaker 1: I'm bringing 25 cash. You got some Adidas?
[2:37:12] Speaker 2: I ain't got 100 cash.
[2:37:13] Speaker 4: In the Larry bag.
[2:37:14] Speaker 1: No, I'm already. I done spent 100 already. Next month. Oh, wait.
[2:37:17] Speaker 1: I got to hold on. Your shoes are right here.
[2:37:19] Speaker 1: It's moving back. What's going on? You're that uncle that
[2:37:20] Speaker 1: comes through, buy all the kids, and they don't see
[2:37:23] Speaker 1: you for like nothing too much. Yeah, you got to
[2:37:25] Speaker 1: take the shoes off. before you leave. Let me get
[2:37:31] Speaker 1: some time off. Okay, so shootout Thursday? Yeah.
[2:37:34] Speaker 2: Shootout Thursday for some bread. Chad, would you like to
[2:37:36] Speaker 2: see that?
[2:37:36] Speaker 1: Hey, I'm bringing mine, so bring yours.
[2:37:38] Speaker 2: Uh-uh. Well, this has been another episode of Gil's Arena
[2:37:42] Speaker 2: presented by Underdog.
[2:37:43] Speaker 1: Well, we will see y'all tomorrow.

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