# Gil's Arena Previews Game 4 Of The NBA Finals

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 10 Jun 2026, 2 h 06 min.

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More Giannis Antetokounmpo & LeBron James Trade Rumors STUN Gil's Arena as the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to rumors continuing to swirl surrounding the biggest names of the NBA Offseason, highlighting Giannis Antetokounmpo's ongoing divorce with the Milwaukee Bucks as the Greek Freak looks to switch teams to compete for an NBA title and LeBron James' impending free agency where the Golden State Warriors are quietly emerging as a top suitor, allowing LeBron to team up with other aging legends like Steph Curry & Draymond Green. Next, they preview Game 4 of the NBA Finals as Victor Wembanyama looks to lead the San Antonio Spurs to a victory that would tie the series and debate if Mike Brown's plea to the NBA officiating crew will enforce a tighter whistle for Jalen Brunson & the New York Knicks in the biggest game of their season. They also debate if the increased security prescense at Madison Square Garden will continue to impact the game and give their picks and predictions for the pivotal 4th game in the series. Finally, they react to OKC Thunder GM Sam Presti clapping back at the flopping narrative surrounding his franchise superstar Shai Gilgeous Alexander and debate if the leader of the Thunder is spitting or tripping with his comments on SGA. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:43 NBA Doesn't Give Wemby A Retroactive Flagrant 0:05:12 Game 4 Preview 0:33:20 Madison Square Garden To Maintain Increased Security 1:07:44 Giannis Trade Rumors Trigger The Arena 1:19:15 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: I know a few people skipped. Welcome back to Gil's
[0:04] Speaker 1: Arena presented by underdog Wook Wolf. How we doing today?
[0:11] Speaker 1: Swaggy was supposed to be here, but weakest link. What's
[0:15] Speaker 1: he doing? It's delayed. He's out here.
[0:21] Speaker 2: Whatever it is, he's back.
[0:24] Speaker 1: Not surprised. He on spirit. He on spirit. The big seat.
[0:32] Speaker 1: Rest in peace, Spirit Airlines. But we got an action-packed
[0:35] Speaker 1: show for you today.
[0:36] Speaker 3: Of course, we got the same colors as Spirit Airlines.
[0:39] Speaker 1: We do. They're very unfortunate. Ominous, if you will. But
[0:46] Speaker 1: this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Whoop, whoop. Whoop, whoop. Whoop, whoop. Whoop, whoop.
[0:52] Speaker 1: I'm merely award-winning host Josiah Johnson representing Tough Crowd. Tough
[0:56] Speaker 1: Crowd Golf in a card-carrying country club. Remember, we got Mr. B.
[0:59] Speaker 1: Brandon Jennings.
[1:00] Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
[1:02] Speaker 1: Feeling all black, Spurs funeral. You got the black Tim?
[1:06] Speaker 2: Black until it's over with.
[1:07] Speaker 1: Okay. I respect it. On this side, one of the
[1:11] Speaker 1: biggest legends in sports media, Skip Bayless. Back in the building. Skip,
[1:14] Speaker 1: one day I'm going to see you rocking some LeBrons.
[1:19] Speaker 1: I'm holding out hope.
[1:20] Speaker 4: I'll wear my LeBron jersey tomorrow. No.
[1:27] Speaker 1: They want that. I'm going to do it. I'm going
[1:29] Speaker 1: to do it. I want mine too. On this side
[1:32] Speaker 1: of the couch, we've got the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff,
[1:34] Speaker 1: former number one pick, Kenya Martin. Last but not least,
[1:42] Speaker 1: a man they call Cemetery Larry, NCAA champion of the world, Dr.
[1:45] Speaker 1: Rashad McCants, PhD. Yes, sir. Just one. You see that?
[1:56] Speaker 1: That was nice. That was right on time. That was easy.
[2:01] Speaker 1: I'm playing that. I see the 3-4. The buck stops here, yeah.
[2:04] Speaker 1: Which one? Yeah. What you mean? Is it Giannis? No, no, no. Okay,
[2:08] Speaker 1: just making sure. You know I like to troll niggas.
[2:11] Speaker 1: They might both be vintage. They watching from Cancun and shit,
[2:14] Speaker 1: you know.
[2:14] Speaker 5: They might both be vintage. If you pick the wrong team,
[2:16] Speaker 5: I can wear any jersey in this moment. You know
[2:19] Speaker 5: what I'm saying? My team's playing.
[2:22] Speaker 1: Which team is that? Spurs. Spurs in the name. Both
[2:27] Speaker 1: of them?
[2:28] Speaker 5: Just the Spurs. Okay, you're right. I had to correct it.
[2:30] Speaker 5: Just the Spurs.
[2:32] Speaker 1: We got a lot to get into. Here's what's cracking
[2:34] Speaker 1: at Gil's Arena today. Spurs stole Game 3 in the
[2:37] Speaker 1: Garden to get their first Finals win, but which squad
[2:40] Speaker 1: is under more pressure heading into Game 4? According to reports,
[2:44] Speaker 1: the Bucs are closing in on a Giannis trade before
[2:48] Speaker 1: their self-imposed pre-draft deadline ends. but which team gives the
[2:51] Speaker 1: Greek freak the best shot at winning another chip? And
[2:56] Speaker 1: Thunder GM Sam Presti clapped back at the SGA foul-baiting narrative,
[3:01] Speaker 1: but is he spitting or tripping? Riding for a side.
[3:04] Speaker 1: But before we get into all that, as always, this
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[3:26] Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. So Spurs finally closed out
[3:30] Speaker 1: a game to get their first win in the NBA
[3:32] Speaker 1: Finals Monday. But that win didn't come without a little controversy.
[3:36] Speaker 1: We showed the video yesterday. Let's take another look today.
[3:40] Speaker 1: As a reminder, late in the first quarter, Wimby gave
[3:43] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson an intentional shove. Nearly sending Brunson to the ground.
[3:49] Speaker 1: No foul called. Either one, Kelton Johnson, Cat 2, also
[3:52] Speaker 1: getting into a little situation. Wimby proceeded to laugh at
[3:56] Speaker 1: the Knicks captain in the aftermath. So Brunson was asked
[3:59] Speaker 1: about the Wimby play after the game. He had this response.
[4:02] Speaker 4: What happened between you and Victor in the first quarter?
[4:05] Speaker 2: Did their level of physicality bother you?
[4:09] Speaker 1: No, to answer your second question. And whatever you saw
[4:13] Speaker 1: is what you saw. Whatever you saw is what you saw.
[4:17] Speaker 1: We all saw it. We discussed it yesterday. Wimby's shove
[4:20] Speaker 1: on Brunson's subject of discussion during and after Game 3.
[4:23] Speaker 1: Some arguing the alien deserved a flagrant foul for the
[4:26] Speaker 1: dirty play. But the league disagreed. So as Shams reported,
[4:30] Speaker 1: after reviewing the play, the league opted to not give
[4:32] Speaker 1: Wimby a retroactive flagrant foul. He will remain at two
[4:36] Speaker 1: flagrant points in this postseason. So players who reach four
[4:39] Speaker 1: flagrant points are subject to an automatic suspension. Wimby got
[4:43] Speaker 1: his two flagrant points after elbowing Nas Reed in the
[4:46] Speaker 1: grill in Game 4 of their second-round series against the Wolves. So, Mr. B,
[4:50] Speaker 1: we talked about it yesterday. The league said... No additional fines.
[4:54] Speaker 1: Wimby looking like the golden boy of the NBA right now.
[4:57] Speaker 1: Did the league make the right decision not giving Wimby
[4:59] Speaker 1: a flagrant for shoving Brunson? Yeah.
[5:02] Speaker 6: Yeah, they made the right decision. I mean, you could
[5:06] Speaker 6: call it a flagrant foul, but this is the NBA Finals.
[5:09] Speaker 6: Last time, you know, they made something like this happen.
[5:11] Speaker 6: This was with Draymond Green and the Warriors, and it
[5:14] Speaker 6: cost the Warriors to lose a game in a series.
[5:17] Speaker 1: So.
[5:18] Speaker 2: By that standard, you know, I don't have no problem
[5:20] Speaker 2: with it.
[5:20] Speaker 6: Just make sure that it's the same way going forward
[5:23] Speaker 6: now for both through the whole final.
[5:25] Speaker 2: So it is what it is.
[5:29] Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be a habitual line crosser? Elbow Nas Reed
[5:32] Speaker 1: ordered the code red on Jerry McCain. He did. I mean,
[5:35] Speaker 1: it's been dirty both ways.
[5:36] Speaker 2: That's not habitual.
[5:36] Speaker 1: He ordered the code red. That's two.
[5:39] Speaker 5: Four is habitual. That's too many steps. Two, we get
[5:43] Speaker 5: to lay it up after two.
[5:44] Speaker 1: You're getting chefs. I mean, it's been dirty since OKC,
[5:48] Speaker 1: since everything. We get two of them. We don't get
[5:52] Speaker 1: two warning shots. Hey, listen, stop fucking with me. Stop. Chill.
[5:57] Speaker 1: I'm serious.
[5:58] Speaker 5: Then we're like, nah, you're not serious. You're still French.
[6:00] Speaker 5: All right, now listen. I told you. We not playing
[6:03] Speaker 5: no more. Stop fucking with me. Now, after this one,
[6:07] Speaker 5: y'all say what y'all want. Do what you want. Throw
[6:09] Speaker 5: him in jail if you want to, goddamn. But he
[6:11] Speaker 5: deserve at least two if you're going to be pushing
[6:13] Speaker 5: me around like this.
[6:14] Speaker 1: One is so close to none. Let's shift over to
[6:17] Speaker 1: our resident fight expert, Kenya Martin. Hey, you're an expert
[6:21] Speaker 1: on all things fisticuffs. You're a boxing fan? I don't
[6:27] Speaker 1: like that shit. You want to punch a nigga right now?
[6:30] Speaker 1: Don't punch me, all right? Trying to save up to
[6:34] Speaker 1: get some veneers. Did the league make the right decision
[6:37] Speaker 1: not giving Wimby a flagrant for shoving Brunson?
[6:41] Speaker 3: If they were to call a foul in real time,
[6:44] Speaker 3: then it was possible to upgrade it. You didn't call
[6:48] Speaker 3: anything in real time, so it's tough to give God
[6:51] Speaker 3: flagrant when you didn't blow the whistle at all. But
[6:54] Speaker 3: the shit was dirty. I really have a hard time
[6:59] Speaker 3: wanting to know what those three guys out there that's
[7:03] Speaker 3: getting paid to call fouls and such things.
[7:06] Speaker 1: They didn't call anything.
[7:07] Speaker 3: I want to know what they were looking at in
[7:10] Speaker 3: that moment. You got two fouls happening simultaneously on one play,
[7:16] Speaker 3: and you don't blow the whistle on neither. It's wild, man.
[7:25] Speaker 1: The league going to do what they're doing.
[7:26] Speaker 3: I ain't got no issue with them not upgrading it,
[7:28] Speaker 3: because like I said, they didn't blow the whistle in
[7:29] Speaker 3: the beginning. But I do have an issue with the
[7:32] Speaker 3: in-game officiating, that that could go on and you don't
[7:35] Speaker 3: call nothing. As physical as I played, as much shit
[7:39] Speaker 3: as I got involved with, During the course of the game?
[7:42] Speaker 1: Like, that's like, not yet, no.
[7:48] Speaker 3: I guarantee if it was, so me and Rashad were
[7:51] Speaker 3: talking beforehand, if it was a guy with a reputation
[7:54] Speaker 3: of some sort had done it, the whistle was blown, right?
[8:00] Speaker 3: And then you go look at the review and all
[8:02] Speaker 3: that shit in real time. You can't turn a blind
[8:04] Speaker 3: eye because of who's doing it. That's embarrassing to the league.
[8:08] Speaker 3: Everybody sees what's going on in real time. Like, people reacted.
[8:14] Speaker 3: Everybody reacted except the guys with the whistles. Like, fans,
[8:17] Speaker 3: everybody jumping up. They see it, but you don't blow
[8:19] Speaker 3: the whistle? Like, that's wild to me. But the question was,
[8:25] Speaker 3: to answer your question, the league, they can't do anything
[8:28] Speaker 3: because they didn't blow the whistle in real time.
[8:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:31] Speaker 3: Had they called a foul, then it was a great possibility.
[8:33] Speaker 3: And we have seen plays reviewed before. But still. But
[8:36] Speaker 3: they blew the whistle probably beforehand.
[8:37] Speaker 1: Right? If it was Draymond Green, he was getting suspended. Yeah.
[8:41] Speaker 3: If it was Kenny Martin, he was getting suspended. Like,
[8:42] Speaker 3: if it was certain guys, yeah, you're not getting the
[8:45] Speaker 3: benefit of no doubt in this.
[8:47] Speaker 1: Flagrant one. At most. I ain't saying give him a
[8:50] Speaker 1: flagrant two. Not at all. Flagrant one. Yeah, flagrant one.
[8:53] Speaker 1: Flagrant one is good. I ain't saying to give him
[8:54] Speaker 1: two flagrant points. Not at all.
[8:56] Speaker 3: Because then now you're affecting the series. If it was
[9:01] Speaker 3: going to be anything, yeah, flagging one, you give him
[9:04] Speaker 3: a point, whatever it is. But I don't think you
[9:06] Speaker 3: should suspend a man for a game because of his
[9:09] Speaker 3: emotions and all that stuff in the game. He don't
[9:11] Speaker 3: have a history of being dirty. He got one incident
[9:14] Speaker 3: on his record from trying to protect himself from shit
[9:17] Speaker 3: that was going on, that he felt that was going
[9:19] Speaker 3: on during the Minnesota series. But, yeah, now the league
[9:23] Speaker 3: did what they did. But another point that Draymond– had
[9:31] Speaker 3: a thing.
[9:32] Speaker 1: And I agree with Drayvon. I agree.
[9:35] Speaker 3: I'm going to interject myself in that situation if I'm
[9:38] Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson's teammate.
[9:40] Speaker 1: Right?
[9:41] Speaker 3: I'm not going to have my point guard going up
[9:42] Speaker 3: against the big guy. I'm not going to do anything
[9:44] Speaker 3: to get myself kicked.
[9:45] Speaker 1: Out of the game.
[9:46] Speaker 3: But I might grab him and bring him close. Like, no,
[9:49] Speaker 3: you're not going to pick on the point guard. That's
[9:51] Speaker 3: just not going to happen. And his teammates didn't do that.
[9:53] Speaker 3: It's a team thing, right? We got to be in
[9:57] Speaker 3: this together. We win together.
[9:59] Speaker 1: We lose together.
[10:00] Speaker 3: We fight together. We're in this foxhole together. So that's
[10:04] Speaker 3: just my thing. I'm going to protect my teammates. I'm
[10:06] Speaker 3: not going to do anything to jeopardize the next game
[10:08] Speaker 3: or the series. But I probably would have gotten a
[10:12] Speaker 3: tech in that moment, which is okay for one of
[10:15] Speaker 3: his teammates, for Cat or somebody or somebody to step in.
[10:19] Speaker 4: Is it possible none of his teammates saw it?
[10:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, but it happened in the first quarter.
[10:25] Speaker 4: But I mean saw it in real time.
[10:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, but throughout the.
[10:27] Speaker 3: Game, though, if they didn't see it in real time.
[10:30] Speaker 4: You hear about it, yeah.
[10:31] Speaker 1: But it happened in the first quarter.
[10:33] Speaker 3: So you got all them coaches behind them with them
[10:37] Speaker 3: goddamn iPads.
[10:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:39] Speaker 3: Somebody replayed it. Somebody said what happened on the bench.
[10:42] Speaker 3: Somebody watched that halftime.
[10:45] Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Let's move to Dr. McKesson. We
[10:47] Speaker 1: in the finals, man. Yeah. We're in the finals, right?
[10:51] Speaker 5: So Shaq sentiment is what I agree with 100% because
[10:56] Speaker 5: it's coming from a big man who's dealt with the
[11:00] Speaker 5: fucking pesky-ass point guards that sit around, get in your way.
[11:05] Speaker 5: They want to crumb snatch. They don't think they can
[11:07] Speaker 5: get an elbow for coming down here and doing all
[11:09] Speaker 5: the crumb snatcher shit. So that's how I look at Brunson, SGA,
[11:14] Speaker 5: any of those point guards that get in the way
[11:17] Speaker 5: of what Wimby doing because it's up to them. to
[11:19] Speaker 5: do the little shit, to make sure they set the screen,
[11:22] Speaker 5: to make sure they crack down and box out. That's
[11:24] Speaker 5: little pesky shit that you.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Can take shots.
[11:26] Speaker 3: The antagonists, guards, small guards are antagonists.
[11:28] Speaker 5: So you could tell from me, I'm looking at Wimby like,
[11:31] Speaker 5: Just the way Shaq is. Shaq is saying, get your
[11:34] Speaker 5: little ass off me.
[11:34] Speaker 1: This is the finals.
[11:35] Speaker 5: I got to send a message to you and your
[11:38] Speaker 5: team that y'all not going to keep trying to do
[11:40] Speaker 5: this little pesky ass little legal shit that I don't like.
[11:43] Speaker 1: Get off my knees. I agree. All that, right? For
[11:46] Speaker 1: him to react that way, yes. And I feel like
[11:48] Speaker 1: that was a warning shot.
[11:49] Speaker 4: Quick point. Jalen Brunson isn't Alvarado. He's not just some
[11:53] Speaker 4: little guy who comes in to irritate.
[11:55] Speaker 1: He's a lot more irritant. He's the king of New York.
[11:57] Speaker 5: He is literally one of the more savvy, Bruce Bowen-ness type.
[12:06] Speaker 1: Dante Jones.
[12:07] Speaker 4: Bruce Bowen's like great.
[12:09] Speaker 1: You're working in that category? No, yes.
[12:11] Speaker 5: Chris Paul, very, I'll do what I need to do
[12:16] Speaker 5: to get you off me.
[12:17] Speaker 1: And I'll do it slick enough and smart enough.
[12:19] Speaker 4: But there's no cheap shot going on with Jalen Brunson.
[12:21] Speaker 1: It's not cheap shots, but it's pesky shit that irritates you. Okay.
[12:25] Speaker 5: Especially, he knows that's a big, you trying to set
[12:27] Speaker 5: a screen on Jalen Brunson or Chris Paul. And they
[12:30] Speaker 5: hit you with one of them little elbows. But Brunson's
[12:33] Speaker 5: been the victim. He's been on the other side of that, too,
[12:35] Speaker 5: throughout this series.
[12:35] Speaker 1: Throughout the season.
[12:37] Speaker 3: They do it mostly when they set screens and different
[12:39] Speaker 3: things like that. But to your point, I get where
[12:43] Speaker 3: Shaq is coming from.
[12:44] Speaker 1: I do.
[12:44] Speaker 3: You get tired of little guys messing around with G's
[12:47] Speaker 3: and all that. I get that as well. He's supposed
[12:49] Speaker 3: to do that. But on that same thing, one of
[12:53] Speaker 3: his teammates....
[12:55] Speaker 1: We welcome it because I'm sending him a message. I'm
[12:58] Speaker 1: going to send you one. I know what you're doing.
[13:00] Speaker 1: I'm going to send you one as well that you're
[13:02] Speaker 1: not going to be picking on.
[13:03] Speaker 5: And that's equal. I think that's balance. That's a balance
[13:05] Speaker 5: because I'm not because I am bigger. I am going
[13:07] Speaker 5: to do but I'm sending this message.
[13:09] Speaker 1: So you got to come over here and be like,
[13:11] Speaker 1: hey man, we ain't doing that.
[13:12] Speaker 5: I feel like it was warranted. I feel like sending
[13:16] Speaker 5: that message from Wimby just because he's Wimby. I don't
[13:18] Speaker 5: think it's more of a protection thing than him trying
[13:20] Speaker 5: to protect himself and him trying to show the league
[13:23] Speaker 5: that The face of the league don't get no favors.
[13:25] Speaker 1: Steph Curry didn't get no calls. Brian wasn't getting no calls.
[13:29] Speaker 5: Kobe, all these guys at some point in their career
[13:31] Speaker 5: weren't getting calls, and they had to fight through it.
[13:34] Speaker 5: This is the same thing with Wimby. He had to
[13:36] Speaker 5: figure it out, but he had to stick up for himself.
[13:38] Speaker 4: Okay, if you had been a referee on the floor
[13:39] Speaker 4: at that moment, would you have called a foul?
[13:41] Speaker 1: No, because we hadn't been calling it.
[13:43] Speaker 4: No?
[13:43] Speaker 1: God. We hadn't been calling it. I'm calling a double foul.
[13:45] Speaker 1: We hadn't been. Let's see the play again, please. I'm
[13:48] Speaker 1: calling a double foul. You could. You could. If you
[13:50] Speaker 1: wanted to just make it clear that we're going to both.
[13:53] Speaker 1: You're not calling a foul.
[13:54] Speaker 5: Because he's holding his jersey. That's what we don't see. Look,
[13:59] Speaker 5: he's holding his jersey with his left hand. Is he?
[14:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. Run it back. Run it back. Yeah, he is. Yeah,
[14:05] Speaker 1: he is. Go back. I've been hearing it and I
[14:07] Speaker 1: ain't seen it. Let's see it again. Pause it right
[14:10] Speaker 1: when he's about to set the screen. Right here. Right there.
[14:15] Speaker 1: Keep going. Keep going. Give me the replay angle. Keep going.
[14:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw it though.
[14:21] Speaker 1: Left hand.
[14:22] Speaker 6: He's grabbing his jersey the whole time.
[14:24] Speaker 1: Right there. Right there. Jalen Brunson's left hand. Yep, he
[14:28] Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, you got it. Tight. Tight to look.
[14:31] Speaker 1: He's like, man, let go of me, bro. All I
[14:33] Speaker 1: see is whimmies. Let go of me, bro. Watch out.
[14:39] Speaker 3: Well, then, so now you're going to look at it
[14:41] Speaker 3: because he pushed him to the ground by his head.
[14:42] Speaker 3: Then you go back and review it. You see he's
[14:44] Speaker 3: holding his jersey. Then you call a double foul.
[14:45] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm calling a double foul.
[14:47] Speaker 6: They couldn't see it in real time. But I'm calling
[14:49] Speaker 6: the one down here, too, though.
[14:51] Speaker 4: Yes.
[14:51] Speaker 1: Two double fouls? Yes. Yes. Hell, yeah. I'm calling both.
[14:55] Speaker 1: Why not? And then we just jump it up. That's egregious, man.
[14:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[15:00] Speaker 1: Because I feel Cat was fouling him just as much
[15:02] Speaker 1: right here. Look, right here. He's the offensive player. He's
[15:04] Speaker 1: the right to that position.
[15:06] Speaker 5: But he can't hook. He can't underhook. It's an automatic foul.
[15:08] Speaker 5: Is Wimby holding Brunson, too, though?
[15:10] Speaker 1: Nah, look. You say Brunson's holding Wimby's jersey. It just
[15:14] Speaker 1: looked nasty. That's why I'm calling a double foul. Or
[15:18] Speaker 1: I'm letting that shit go. Or that, too. I'm with that, too.
[15:21] Speaker 1: We don't need to waste no fouls. Get over this shit.
[15:24] Speaker 1: I'm with that, too. It's either nothing or it's a double.
[15:26] Speaker 3: The BSO and if Cat take Madison to it, see,
[15:29] Speaker 3: this is the difference with these dudes, man. Like, I'm
[15:31] Speaker 3: not going to allow you to play me that way
[15:33] Speaker 3: in the post.
[15:34] Speaker 5: But they not like that. That's why it's over when
[15:36] Speaker 5: it's over.
[15:37] Speaker 1: It's over when it's over. It wasn't nobody going to
[15:39] Speaker 1: do anything. Nobody's doing nothing. It's over. I'm talking about
[15:41] Speaker 1: this play. Yeah. Right? From Cat, right?
[15:44] Speaker 4: Yes.
[15:45] Speaker 1: Dude, like. But nothing too crazy going for you to
[15:47] Speaker 1: want to swing or. Yeah, yeah. Right here. Yeah, yeah.
[15:49] Speaker 1: Or just anything that's like. What's up? Obvious of what's
[15:52] Speaker 1: going on. He trying to. After all that. No. Look
[15:55] Speaker 1: at his hook.
[15:56] Speaker 4: Look, he.
[15:56] Speaker 1: That's offensive foul for Cat right there. No, it's a double.
[15:59] Speaker 1: I mean, it's a double foul regardless.
[16:01] Speaker 6: So we just going to jump it up. I'm just saying,
[16:03] Speaker 6: I'm crossing the bow.
[16:03] Speaker 3: Beginning of the defense is what started Cather trying to
[16:07] Speaker 3: hook him.
[16:07] Speaker 1: Because he's trying to front, and he's trying to get
[16:10] Speaker 1: in front, and Cather's trying to get that position so
[16:13] Speaker 1: he can throw the ball. He like smushed that. Watch out, man.
[16:17] Speaker 1: Watch out. Let go of my jersey. He like smushed him, yo.
[16:20] Speaker 1: I'm tired of y'all. Somebody mush you like that in
[16:22] Speaker 1: the streets. That's a fight.
[16:23] Speaker 5: He almost hit Stephon Caster with the backhand.
[16:26] Speaker 2: He's so frustrated.
[16:28] Speaker 1: He's like, yo, get off me. Get off me. Right?
[16:31] Speaker 1: Somebody like that in the street. No, he definitely has
[16:34] Speaker 1: a jersey. But I mean, Wimby also, ain't nobody going
[16:37] Speaker 1: to do nothing. Let's shift over to Skip Skip. Saw
[16:39] Speaker 1: you were very active on social media. I'm not a
[16:42] Speaker 1: fan of Wimby. Not getting the flagrant. All right.
[16:46] Speaker 4: I'm going to address your Draymond point quickly.
[16:49] Speaker 1: 2015.
[16:50] Speaker 4: Now, I don't want to see any star get suspended
[16:56] Speaker 4: for an NBA Finals game, and it had never happened
[16:58] Speaker 4: before until that happened. And remember, Draymond had kicked two
[17:04] Speaker 4: players in the man area, in the nuts.
[17:08] Speaker 1: Before that.
[17:09] Speaker 4: Before that.
[17:10] Speaker 1: In the nuts.
[17:11] Speaker 4: Remember Steven Adams and the Oklahoma City Sears?
[17:13] Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. But it was his natural emotional test. In
[17:17] Speaker 1: the nuts, goddamn.
[17:19] Speaker 4: So that's what happened. Twice that had happened. He and
[17:22] Speaker 4: LeBron get into it. And the first thing that happens
[17:26] Speaker 4: is he screams at LeBron, you're a bitch. And I
[17:31] Speaker 4: talked to Draymond about this. I was on a show,
[17:33] Speaker 4: I don't know, a month or so ago, six weeks ago.
[17:36] Speaker 4: And he said it was his one regret in his career.
[17:39] Speaker 4: He shouldn't have used that word in that moment that
[17:42] Speaker 4: loudly where everybody in the first three rows could hear it,
[17:46] Speaker 4: including Kiki Vandeway, who was the minister of justice at
[17:49] Speaker 4: that point for the league.
[17:50] Speaker 1: Big Kiki. Okay.
[17:51] Speaker 4: So then they go back to the other end of
[17:53] Speaker 4: the floor and they're still mixing it up and they
[17:55] Speaker 4: get tangled up and fall down. And Draymond does it again.
[17:59] Speaker 4: He kicks LeBron in the nuts on the floor. Okay.
[18:03] Speaker 4: And so, yeah. So now Kiki is like. and I'm
[18:08] Speaker 4: sure the commissioner was involved in this decision, that Draymond's
[18:11] Speaker 4: got to go. Well, to your point, it flipped the
[18:14] Speaker 4: series on its head because they're down 3-1 at that
[18:17] Speaker 4: point for game five back at, wasn't it back at Oracle?
[18:21] Speaker 1: I think it was.
[18:22] Speaker 4: And so they don't, yeah, it was back at Oracle,
[18:24] Speaker 4: and they don't have Draymond. They're guts and glue. And
[18:27] Speaker 4: here we went. And you know the rest of the story.
[18:30] Speaker 4: But I didn't want to see Draymond suspended for the
[18:33] Speaker 4: game for that. So now we get to this. So
[18:36] Speaker 4: I'm just going to stand by what I tweeted last
[18:38] Speaker 4: night immediately when I saw this. I'll just read it
[18:42] Speaker 4: to you. No way was the NBA going to do
[18:44] Speaker 4: the correct thing and upgrade Wimby's uncalled foul to the
[18:48] Speaker 4: flagrant on Jalen Brunson that it obviously glaringly was. The
[18:53] Speaker 4: alien is now the face of the league, the new
[18:55] Speaker 4: ratings magnate. the most protected player in the NBA. This
[19:00] Speaker 4: is exhibit A. And to Kenyon's point, how do every
[19:08] Speaker 4: one of those refs stand in fairly close to this action?
[19:11] Speaker 4: It's happening right in the middle of the court. It
[19:13] Speaker 4: didn't happen over in the corner. It literally happened in
[19:17] Speaker 4: the center of the court. And it's so blatant because it's, it's,
[19:23] Speaker 4: what'd you call it? A smush or what? The contact
[19:26] Speaker 4: is to the back of Brunson's head. So it's above,
[19:30] Speaker 4: you know, neck and head, you know, it's, it's above shoulders. Right. And,
[19:34] Speaker 4: and it's a pretty violent throw down where, where he's
[19:37] Speaker 4: look to me, when he's supremely gifted, we get all that.
[19:41] Speaker 4: And he's seven feet, six inches tall, but he's still
[19:43] Speaker 4: got a lot of spoiled child in him to me
[19:46] Speaker 4: because he's been pampered all the way up. And he's
[19:48] Speaker 4: still not sure what, what's going on around him. And
[19:51] Speaker 4: it's all new to him and it's all going fast, but,
[19:54] Speaker 4: but the spoiled child can, can flare up at any moment.
[19:57] Speaker 4: And it's like, get off me little man. And yet
[20:01] Speaker 4: the little man is a foot and a half shorter
[20:04] Speaker 4: than you are. And he is the King of New York.
[20:08] Speaker 4: And he is, He's the heart and soul of that.
[20:12] Speaker 4: They're not going to win without him playing better than
[20:14] Speaker 4: he played in game three as we go forward. And
[20:18] Speaker 4: so then Monty McCutcheon tells Shams that, yeah, they missed
[20:23] Speaker 4: the foul, but they've decided not to upgrade. Well, to
[20:26] Speaker 4: your point, you can't upgrade to a flagrant. You'd look
[20:29] Speaker 4: even more foolish than you did for missing the foul
[20:32] Speaker 4: in the first place. So they're not going to do that.
[20:34] Speaker 4: And then with Wimby, he's not just.
[20:39] Speaker 1: A U.S.
[20:39] Speaker 4: Draw, he's the ultimate global draw because you've got a
[20:44] Speaker 4: French player in the United States having international impact because
[20:51] Speaker 4: he's doing things we've never seen before. And the allure
[20:55] Speaker 4: of sports to me, for most fans, is you want
[20:58] Speaker 4: to see something you've never seen before. And he's something
[21:01] Speaker 4: we've never seen any of this before, right? So he
[21:05] Speaker 4: is now the most overprotected player because the NBA can't
[21:08] Speaker 4: risk putting him in the jeopardy of getting another couple
[21:12] Speaker 4: of points and not by choice getting suspended where they
[21:16] Speaker 4: would have to decide he would do it. He would
[21:19] Speaker 4: overreact to some Nas Reed or whoever it was. At
[21:22] Speaker 4: least he was picking on somebody his own size with
[21:24] Speaker 4: Nas Reed. But in this case, they don't want to
[21:28] Speaker 4: jeopardize the rest of the NBA finals by upgrading to
[21:32] Speaker 4: a flagrant which would put him in jeopardy. And to
[21:37] Speaker 4: Josiah's point, there's already some Draymond-like track record here because
[21:42] Speaker 4: he's gone code red. Well, he went code red on
[21:47] Speaker 4: Jared McCain. And by the way, speaking of Draymond, he
[21:50] Speaker 4: said publicly on his podcast the other day that he
[21:53] Speaker 4: believes that Wimby went code red on Harrison Barnes to
[21:57] Speaker 4: get Jalen Brunson in, was it game, I'm losing track, one, right,
[22:01] Speaker 4: where they banged knees, where he thought that that Harrison
[22:05] Speaker 4: Barnes was sent in by Wimby to go get him.
[22:09] Speaker 1: All right. People are sneaky. We know this. Okay. All right.
[22:13] Speaker 4: Well, you got that.
[22:15] Speaker 1: It's out there.
[22:17] Speaker 4: I don't know how you can deny it. Didn't he
[22:19] Speaker 4: lean over and whisper to his two goons to go
[22:22] Speaker 4: in and get Jared McCain?
[22:25] Speaker 1: Skip, if you're not a Karen, you're an Aaron. All right.
[22:29] Speaker 1: I'm not a Karen.
[22:30] Speaker 5: Hey, they over there hitting them.
[22:32] Speaker 1: Call the fire. You're an Aaron. Aaron. It's Karen and Aaron. Okay.
[22:36] Speaker 1: Brother and sister. Oh, who's Aaron? What's he do?
[22:39] Speaker 5: Aaron, he calls the cops too, just like Karen. They
[22:41] Speaker 5: both call the cops. He just sounds like a dude.
[22:44] Speaker 1: On the side. He's a little bit more. Hey, man.
[22:47] Speaker 1: He's got a gun.
[22:48] Speaker 4: Okay, so can you definitively say that didn't happen?
[22:52] Speaker 5: I can say that we're not going to overreact to
[22:55] Speaker 5: a foul, just like we've done in every series that
[22:58] Speaker 5: Wimby's played in, justifying that he'd be either kicked out,
[23:01] Speaker 5: pushed out, penalized, have some type of consequence because you
[23:05] Speaker 5: need him out of the equation. It's not going to happen.
[23:08] Speaker 5: It's the whole reason of the alien arrival. We're here
[23:10] Speaker 5: for a reason. We have to correct this whole piece.
[23:13] Speaker 4: We must overprotect, right?
[23:14] Speaker 1: Yes, because you said it's the face of the league.
[23:17] Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you protect the face of the league? Okay.
[23:19] Speaker 4: Well, at least you're going that far.
[23:21] Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you? They protected Michael Jeffrey, didn't they? I
[23:25] Speaker 1: don't know. Not against the bad boys. He went in there.
[23:27] Speaker 1: He said, listen, they fouled me. Too hard. Fix it.
[23:33] Speaker 4: I don't know anything about that.
[23:35] Speaker 1: LeBron.
[23:36] Speaker 4: I know he went to his trainer and said, I
[23:38] Speaker 4: got to get bigger and stronger.
[23:39] Speaker 1: LeBron's the face of the league.
[23:40] Speaker 5: Started losing hair, too. It goes to Miami. They fix it.
[23:45] Speaker 5: They make it work for him. Steph Curry, face of
[23:49] Speaker 5: the league. Fix it, makes it, make it work for him.
[23:53] Speaker 5: Kevin Durant, come on over here. Let's make it happen.
[23:55] Speaker 4: So you're saying these finals are already rigged and we
[23:58] Speaker 4: might as well just give it up. The Spurs are
[24:00] Speaker 4: going to win it.
[24:01] Speaker 5: Protect it. Let's say it's protected. We have divine protection.
[24:06] Speaker 5: He went to the monks.
[24:07] Speaker 1: It's not our fault. He went to do some meditation.
[24:10] Speaker 1: We got it now.
[24:11] Speaker 5: But don't penalize Wimby for going out there doing what
[24:13] Speaker 5: he's supposed to do. Being and trying to be the
[24:16] Speaker 5: enforcer for his team. He's 22 years old. He only
[24:19] Speaker 5: knows the tutelage from the guys before him who are
[24:22] Speaker 5: trying to tell him how to get it done. Maybe
[24:24] Speaker 5: it looks a little unorthodox because these little guys are
[24:27] Speaker 5: in my way. I got an elbow, a guy. That's
[24:29] Speaker 5: some old Carmelone old school shit. You're talking about mushing somebody.
[24:33] Speaker 5: That's some old school Dennis Rodman shit. It's just going
[24:37] Speaker 5: back to the old essence of the hoop. So if
[24:39] Speaker 5: you're going to be mad about it, call Karen or
[24:42] Speaker 5: call Aaron. Whichever one you need, they're going to call
[24:44] Speaker 5: the cops for you because we're not going to be
[24:46] Speaker 5: begging every series to try to get Wimby out because
[24:49] Speaker 5: y'all can't match his energy. 29 and 10. He's doing
[24:53] Speaker 5: what he's supposed to do. Everybody got to adjust. He's
[24:55] Speaker 5: still got to win this game tonight, but We're not
[24:58] Speaker 5: going to be trying every little thing that he does.
[25:01] Speaker 1: It's like he's criminal. He's a fucking evil. He seems
[25:04] Speaker 1: to embrace the role, though. After game three, when we
[25:06] Speaker 1: was asked if he's the next villain in Madison Square Garden,
[25:10] Speaker 1: he said, I guess. I'm nowhere near Trey Young level, though,
[25:13] Speaker 1: with the laughter. But do you guys respect Wimby for
[25:16] Speaker 1: embracing this villain role, especially going into the Mecca of basketball,
[25:19] Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden? Boy, ain't no villain role. What you
[25:22] Speaker 1: talking about? He likes to be booed. Yeah, I mean,
[25:25] Speaker 1: if you want to be a villain in New York, yeah.
[25:27] Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big thing.
[25:29] Speaker 6: If you want to be, I mean, your first time
[25:31] Speaker 6: going to the finals, you're playing at the Madison Square Garden,
[25:34] Speaker 6: you get a chance to beat the Knicks. You know,
[25:37] Speaker 6: you only get the chance to play the Knicks two
[25:38] Speaker 6: times a year because of the conference that you're in.
[25:40] Speaker 6: And to be known as a villain in New York,
[25:42] Speaker 6: that does wonders. You'll look at Reggie Miller, look at
[25:45] Speaker 6: Trey Young, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. When those
[25:48] Speaker 6: guys get in that building, they go apeshit. And to
[25:52] Speaker 6: be able to be your first finals in new Madison
[25:54] Speaker 6: square garden to get them out of here.
[25:56] Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Call me a villain at the Mecca.
[25:58] Speaker 6: That means I'm doing something.
[26:00] Speaker 3: You said embracing it. I don't think he looked at it.
[26:04] Speaker 3: He said, I'm no Trae Young.
[26:06] Speaker 1: I'm not Trae Young level. I'm not Trae Young level.
[26:10] Speaker 1: I'm not there yet.
[26:10] Speaker 5: I guess I'm nowhere near Trae Young level.
[26:15] Speaker 1: Smush my neck. Smush my neck. See what happens when
[26:20] Speaker 1: you leave out this bit. You go ahead.
[26:23] Speaker 6: Smush somebody else and hold up that one.
[26:26] Speaker 1: I'm going to trip over Spike Lee one time.
[26:28] Speaker 6: You will not be able to. You will not be
[26:30] Speaker 6: able to walk down New York City ever. You think
[26:33] Speaker 6: they beating up them fans now?
[26:34] Speaker 1: Oh, man, they're going to rush up in there. For sure.
[26:37] Speaker 1: I don't want to laugh, but damn, you can't even
[26:40] Speaker 1: wear a Spurs jersey. Can't even wear a Spurs jersey.
[26:42] Speaker 1: They hunted everybody with it. You definitely won't be able
[26:45] Speaker 1: to wear his jersey. That shit was nasty. That dude,
[26:49] Speaker 1: that white dude was like, I did not come down
[26:50] Speaker 1: this street for this.
[26:51] Speaker 5: I'm trying to go get me a bagel. I did
[26:55] Speaker 5: not come down this street for this. That was a
[26:57] Speaker 5: hardwood classic, too. It was a Timmy D. That's a
[27:01] Speaker 5: $ 300 jersey, man. What y'all doing?
[27:02] Speaker 1: It is.
[27:04] Speaker 2: And they got it from the NBA store.
[27:05] Speaker 1: Right across the street. You go in there and go
[27:08] Speaker 1: get it again.
[27:09] Speaker 5: They just robbed me on film. The cops didn't do nothing.
[27:14] Speaker 1: That's a real jersey, too. Skip, do you think Wimby's
[27:17] Speaker 1: embracing this villain role coming into Madison Square Garden and
[27:20] Speaker 1: what that represents?
[27:23] Speaker 4: I don't think he minds it. And I think the
[27:28] Speaker 4: whole Spurs team has embraced the villain role. I think
[27:31] Speaker 4: Steph Castle does. And by the way, I still can't
[27:34] Speaker 4: get over that Steph Castle got away. I know you
[27:37] Speaker 4: thought that Brunson flopped a little bit on that running
[27:40] Speaker 4: start play, but my God, Steph Castle just got a
[27:43] Speaker 4: running start and comes in like this, like it's a
[27:45] Speaker 4: football play. Just blasts him in the chest, and maybe
[27:49] Speaker 4: he exaggerated with the flop, but man, that's a flavor
[27:52] Speaker 4: to me.
[27:52] Speaker 3: It looked like a flop, like the way his body
[27:54] Speaker 3: went back.
[27:54] Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand, but But man, Steph Castle is, he's
[27:59] Speaker 4: got some serious badass in him. Like, I believe he's
[28:05] Speaker 4: a real one. I don't think Wimby's real. I think
[28:08] Speaker 4: he's a fake tough guy.
[28:09] Speaker 1: Damn. I do.
[28:11] Speaker 4: I just, I don't think that's in him.
[28:13] Speaker 1: Are the consequences real for Wimby right now?
[28:16] Speaker 4: The outcome consequences?
[28:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like the perception?
[28:20] Speaker 5: The perception of being a tough guy because you did
[28:23] Speaker 5: elbow somebody?
[28:25] Speaker 1: And you did get them off you? They did change
[28:28] Speaker 1: their tone that whole series after that?
[28:30] Speaker 4: After the Nas read, I didn't hate that for him
[28:33] Speaker 4: because he needed to send one message, just one message. Okay,
[28:39] Speaker 4: I won't let you get away with that. That's enough
[28:42] Speaker 4: of that. But Jalen Brunson, he's like a gnat. It's childish.
[28:47] Speaker 4: It's just like, get away from me. But I think
[28:53] Speaker 4: that whole team enjoys... They enjoyed it against Oklahoma City.
[28:57] Speaker 4: Just coming in and we're going to come in and
[28:59] Speaker 4: kick your ass in your house. That's what we're going
[29:01] Speaker 4: to do. And they have that. I think Mitch Johnson's
[29:04] Speaker 4: got a little bit like a real one in him.
[29:07] Speaker 4: I think he's got real tough guy in him. I
[29:09] Speaker 4: just got that sense of him.
[29:11] Speaker 1: With the curl. A little light. A little light.
[29:13] Speaker 2: A little light.
[29:15] Speaker 4: Well, I understand, but he just.
[29:19] Speaker 4: I get that part. But even Kelton Johnson comes in
[29:23] Speaker 4: and he's... He's real, man. He's going to fight you.
[29:27] Speaker 4: If you want to fight, he'll fight. So the Knicks, look,
[29:34] Speaker 4: here's the point of tonight to me, is that in
[29:37] Speaker 4: the history of the NBA Finals, the road teams have
[29:42] Speaker 4: never won the first four games. So if tonight, if
[29:45] Speaker 4: the Spurs win again at that building, the Mecca, that's
[29:51] Speaker 4: a historical first that the road teams have never won
[29:55] Speaker 4: the first four. And the Knicks are in danger of
[29:59] Speaker 4: having to prove they can win a game at home.
[30:01] Speaker 1: Right.
[30:02] Speaker 4: Because that's what it's going to boil down to. And
[30:05] Speaker 4: now the momentum has shifted. Like, you know, 48 hours ago,
[30:09] Speaker 4: the Knicks are going to sweep, sweep, sweep.
[30:10] Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
[30:11] Speaker 4: Got this, right?
[30:12] Speaker 1: Everybody going game by game. Yeah, yeah. You think this
[30:14] Speaker 1: is a must win right now?
[30:17] Speaker 4: For the Knicks, it feels like it is.
[30:19] Speaker 1: I think it's for both teams. Do you?
[30:21] Speaker 3: I think it's a must win for both teams.
[30:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[30:24] Speaker 3: Because, yeah, I don't think– I just don't– if.
[30:27] Speaker 1: You– Go down 3-1, we can get three in a row.
[30:31] Speaker 3: If you go down 3-1, I don't believe that can happen.
[30:34] Speaker 3: I don't think you're going down 3-1 and winning three shots.
[30:36] Speaker 3: I don't think that can happen.
[30:38] Speaker 1: We've seen it before.
[30:39] Speaker 3: We have, but I just– We have. We've seen it,
[30:41] Speaker 3: but I just.
[30:42] Speaker 5: Okay, let's say depending on how they– let's say Knicks win,
[30:46] Speaker 5: but how they win tonight.
[30:47] Speaker 1: Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Close game, 10-point game. 1.30 point.
[30:51] Speaker 6: You know, that's– Listen, yeah, we go back to the Spurs,
[30:55] Speaker 6: we lose.
[30:55] Speaker 2: Still got game six at home. But I think the
[30:58] Speaker 2: more pressure.
[30:59] Speaker 6: We're going to talk about it.
[31:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think going either way, and the Knicks lose
[31:04] Speaker 3: tonight at home, the pressure going down to San Antonio
[31:06] Speaker 3: trying to get another game is.
[31:08] Speaker 5: I don't think that's pressure. I don't think that's pressure. 2-2,
[31:13] Speaker 5: we go back home 2-2. We smooth sailing because we
[31:15] Speaker 5: can get it. Oh, you're saying for the Knicks.
[31:17] Speaker 1: For the Spurs.
[31:18] Speaker 3: It's to go back home, to go down to San
[31:21] Speaker 3: Antonio looking.
[31:22] Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying.
[31:23] Speaker 3: And then for San Antonio to go back home 3-1,
[31:26] Speaker 3: which is season on the line.
[31:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think it's a must win for both.
[31:31] Speaker 1: So let's shift over to game four tonight. Like we
[31:33] Speaker 1: talked about, Spurs came through with the win in game
[31:34] Speaker 1: three in front of the president, DJ Khaled, and Fat Joe,
[31:37] Speaker 1: to name a few. Wimby became the second youngest player
[31:40] Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals history to record at least 30 points,
[31:42] Speaker 1: five rebounds, and five assists in a game. Knicks are
[31:45] Speaker 1: still in control of this series technically, as they have
[31:48] Speaker 1: a 2-1 lead, should have a more traditionally turnt-up home
[31:51] Speaker 1: court advantage without the president in attendance. So despite the
[31:54] Speaker 1: continued heightened security presence around the arena, and Skip, like
[31:58] Speaker 1: you mentioned, road team has won the first three games
[31:59] Speaker 1: of the Finals twice in NBA history, never happened four
[32:02] Speaker 1: straight times. For what it's worth, Spurs are feeling very
[32:04] Speaker 1: confident After stealing Game 3 during an interview with Malika
[32:07] Speaker 1: Andrews on NBA Today Tuesday, the fine cast will offer
[32:10] Speaker 1: this outlook for the remainder of the series. Are you expecting,
[32:14] Speaker 1: do you walk into Madison Square Garden expecting to win
[32:17] Speaker 1: Game 4? Yeah, definitely.
[32:19] Speaker 7: I mean, I expect us to win the next three. But,
[32:23] Speaker 7: I mean, us just taking it game by game, you know,
[32:26] Speaker 7: quarter by quarter. and trying to walk this thing down.
[32:30] Speaker 7: I mean, like I said, those first two games really hurt.
[32:33] Speaker 7: And I feel like it was an eye-opener for us.
[32:36] Speaker 7: You know, we don't want it to be that way.
[32:37] Speaker 7: We want to, you know, punch first and be on
[32:39] Speaker 7: the front foot. But, I mean, that's the reality of
[32:42] Speaker 7: it now. So just trying to take it game by game. But, yeah,
[32:45] Speaker 7: we definitely expect to come into tomorrow and come.
[32:47] Speaker 1: Out here with a win. So, Sean, you have reaffirmed
[32:51] Speaker 1: your allegiance to the Spurs side. Do you respect Stephon
[32:53] Speaker 1: Castle's confidence? Or does he have too much dip on
[32:56] Speaker 1: his chip saying he expects the Spurs to win the
[32:58] Speaker 1: next three games? One is fine. Next three? Spurs in five?
[33:01] Speaker 5: Because it's not coming from a place of arrogance or confidence.
[33:05] Speaker 5: It's coming from a place of what he sees his
[33:07] Speaker 5: team has done throughout the course of the year and
[33:09] Speaker 5: what they've done and shown during the playoffs.
[33:12] Speaker 1: So the last two.
[33:12] Speaker 5: Series, they've shown great resilience and been able to overcome
[33:16] Speaker 5: a lot of the different obstacles that they've had, especially
[33:19] Speaker 5: going seven with OKC. being in a detriment in that point,
[33:24] Speaker 5: having to come back, when we hit big shots, them
[33:27] Speaker 5: getting big wins. And I think now it's just about
[33:30] Speaker 5: them calming down with those moments. We talked yesterday, they
[33:33] Speaker 5: stole game two. To be able to go steal a
[33:35] Speaker 5: game and your team morale expecting to be up 2-1,
[33:40] Speaker 5: you still got confidence in knowing how good your team is.
[33:43] Speaker 1: The mistakes you're making on the floor, things you.
[33:45] Speaker 5: Can come back from, things you know you're not going
[33:47] Speaker 5: to make second mistakes if it comes back around, I
[33:50] Speaker 5: think that's how he feels. He feels like We let
[33:53] Speaker 5: a lot of things slide the first two games, and
[33:56] Speaker 5: even in this last game, we didn't play perfect, but
[33:58] Speaker 5: we still found a way to win. I think if
[34:01] Speaker 5: he goes into it this next game like he expects
[34:04] Speaker 5: the team to, we should go take this.
[34:07] Speaker 1: It shouldn't even be a question.
[34:08] Speaker 5: We're the better team, and it's just a matter of
[34:11] Speaker 5: time of them executing and not being young and stepping
[34:15] Speaker 5: into the experience of getting this far and taking advantage
[34:18] Speaker 5: of runs and being up in detriments and not turning
[34:21] Speaker 5: the ball over in crunch.
[34:22] Speaker 1: Time Do you like Stephon Castle's confidence in his squad
[34:27] Speaker 1: saying they're going to win the next three games? Or
[34:30] Speaker 1: that he expects them to win the next three games?
[34:31] Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't expect him to say anything other than that.
[34:35] Speaker 3: Let's start with game four first.
[34:37] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Do you look at two-part?
[34:40] Speaker 3: I respect his confidence. They didn't battle all year. They
[34:44] Speaker 3: didn't get through the Western Conference in the playoffs not
[34:47] Speaker 3: being a good team and a confident team. I expect
[34:51] Speaker 3: that coming from him. But like I said, let's start
[34:54] Speaker 3: with game four, see how that one goes. That's the
[34:59] Speaker 3: biggest game of your season right now is game four. So, yeah,
[35:05] Speaker 3: his confidence, yeah, I like it. I like where his
[35:08] Speaker 3: head is. I like he brings the fight to, like
[35:13] Speaker 3: you said, they expect to be on their front foot
[35:16] Speaker 3: and punch first. So I like the mentality.
[35:20] Speaker 1: Mr. B, you like where Stephon Castle's headed at, headed
[35:23] Speaker 1: into game four? Yeah, of course.
[35:25] Speaker 6: I mean, he's the second leading scorer on their team.
[35:27] Speaker 6: He's averaging 18, 6, and 4, so he's doing his job.
[35:29] Speaker 6: So if he feels confident and he feels like they
[35:32] Speaker 6: have a chance, I mean, why not? I mean, what,
[35:34] Speaker 6: are you supposed to say, hey, we're going to go 7? No, hey,
[35:37] Speaker 6: I feel like we can get it done in the
[35:38] Speaker 6: next three. We've been battle-tested all year.
[35:40] Speaker 2: We're young. This is our first time here. Might not
[35:42] Speaker 2: ever get back here, never know.
[35:44] Speaker 6: So, yeah, you leave it all out on the court.
[35:47] Speaker 6: And he's doing it, and he's being reliable for them
[35:49] Speaker 6: all year So he plays both sides of the floor
[35:51] Speaker 6: and he does anything you ask. So that is the
[35:55] Speaker 6: perfect guy to say how he feels.
[35:56] Speaker 1: Hit the decisive three and the two free throws. He did.
[35:59] Speaker 1: Game three. To give the Spurs the win. He did.
[36:02] Speaker 1: Wimby says he must mature playing on the team.
[36:05] Speaker 2: And he's been in these situations. He went to UConn.
[36:07] Speaker 2: Played in big games. So it's like this isn't... Doesn't
[36:10] Speaker 2: laugh much either. This is nothing.
[36:13] Speaker 4: No.
[36:14] Speaker 1: No. So.
[36:16] Speaker 4: I certainly have zero problem with him saying that because
[36:19] Speaker 4: I believe that Steph Castle believes with body, mind, heart, soul, 1,000%
[36:24] Speaker 4: that they should win the next three games. That that's
[36:31] Speaker 4: just the way he approaches every game. And it... it's
[36:38] Speaker 4: not going to incite the Knicks or detonate the Knicks.
[36:42] Speaker 4: It's not bulletin board material because it's coming from a
[36:45] Speaker 4: guy who just backed it up, to your point. And
[36:48] Speaker 4: I think the Knicks, deep down, I think they're a
[36:51] Speaker 4: little afraid of him. I do. Because he's proven that
[36:55] Speaker 4: you should be a little afraid of him. So the
[36:58] Speaker 4: Knicks are like, damn. You know, like that, yeah, that's
[37:02] Speaker 4: what he believes. And, you know, the one thing about
[37:06] Speaker 4: this Spurs team And I do credit Mitch Johnson for this.
[37:12] Speaker 4: If you watch them closely through these playoffs, they're plus
[37:16] Speaker 4: 94 in first quarters through these 21 games. Plus 94
[37:21] Speaker 4: points in the first quarter. They come out and they
[37:24] Speaker 4: hit you in the mouth almost every game. Almost every
[37:28] Speaker 4: game consistently, as we saw the other night, they just
[37:32] Speaker 4: come out and smash you in the mouth. Now, maybe
[37:35] Speaker 4: you can recover. Remember the Thunder in game three at
[37:38] Speaker 4: San Antonio, they got down 15 to nothing. It's hard
[37:42] Speaker 4: to come back from 15 to nothing because it's just
[37:44] Speaker 4: a big hole to dig out of for the whole game.
[37:47] Speaker 4: And the Thunder roared back thanks to Jared McCain had
[37:50] Speaker 4: his breakout game. And they won the rest of the game, 123-93.
[37:55] Speaker 4: But they were down 15-0. And I'm looking at some
[37:57] Speaker 4: of these other Thunder games. They were down 12-3, 15-0, 23-8, 16-8, 9-2.
[38:04] Speaker 4: And in Game 7, they were down 27-13 at home.
[38:07] Speaker 4: That's what the Spurs do. And that's what they'll come
[38:12] Speaker 4: out wanting to do that tonight. So the first thing
[38:14] Speaker 4: the Knicks got to do is the first thing. You
[38:17] Speaker 4: better be ready. You talked about energy. Wimby's energy is
[38:21] Speaker 4: extreme at tip-off. Now, it flags. It wavers. And he's
[38:26] Speaker 4: going to have to go sit for a little while.
[38:28] Speaker 4: But you better be ready because he will be ready
[38:32] Speaker 4: and they will be even readier. And they are going
[38:35] Speaker 4: to literally hit you full force with with extreme physicality
[38:41] Speaker 4: from jump. And you know they're going to win jump too,
[38:44] Speaker 4: because they're going to win the tip, you know, the
[38:46] Speaker 4: first tip.
[38:46] Speaker 5: So from what we've seen, who do you think responds
[38:50] Speaker 5: better from the first quarter punch? OKC or the Knicks
[38:55] Speaker 5: when it comes down to that first quarter punch?
[38:57] Speaker 4: Well, at least the Knicks are healthy. You know, they're whole.
[39:00] Speaker 4: The Thunder didn't have the firepower to pass.
[39:02] Speaker 5: So remember when the Thunder went down big and the
[39:05] Speaker 5: remainder of the game kept that distance? Can the New
[39:09] Speaker 5: York Knicks recover from such a blow? Let's say we
[39:12] Speaker 5: go up 20 in the first half, like we've seen
[39:16] Speaker 5: the Detroit do on the Cavs and.
[39:18] Speaker 1: Certain teams in the series. Okay. I think the Knicks
[39:23] Speaker 1: give up. Do you? Okay.
[39:24] Speaker 4: But but what what did we see in game three
[39:29] Speaker 4: we saw the damnedest.
[39:31] Speaker 3: Thing to give up okay it was down 13 no
[39:33] Speaker 3: they were down 20 to the calves.
[39:36] Speaker 1: They did. But it was the Cavs. But they didn't
[39:39] Speaker 1: give up, though.
[39:40] Speaker 6: Yeah, but they was down 13 against them. The most recent.
[39:43] Speaker 1: Game, they were down 20 to the Cavs. At home.
[39:49] Speaker 5: With this particular firepower, it's different than the Cavs. You
[39:51] Speaker 5: got two guys. They're not going to quit, though.
[39:54] Speaker 4: No, they're not going to quit.
[39:55] Speaker 3: I hear you. I don't know who they're playing. I
[39:56] Speaker 3: don't think they're going to quit.
[39:57] Speaker 5: I'm saying the pressure that if we go up 20
[40:00] Speaker 5: within the first half, that third quarter, fourth quarter is
[40:04] Speaker 5: going to be tough with the sustained power that we
[40:08] Speaker 5: continue to put on you.
[40:09] Speaker 1: It's not like Cleveland. Cleveland literally gave up. And it
[40:13] Speaker 1: was like the Knicks just took advantage of them.
[40:16] Speaker 5: I'm saying like the Spurs will continue to compound that
[40:21] Speaker 5: pressure on you once you give up.
[40:23] Speaker 4: Here's the craziest thing about game three. The Spurs come
[40:27] Speaker 4: out and punch them in the mouth. and the Knicks
[40:30] Speaker 4: are reeling, and they're crumbling under the pressure exerted by
[40:33] Speaker 4: the crowd and all that. And then in the second quarter,
[40:37] Speaker 4: a crazy thing happened in the second quarter because they
[40:39] Speaker 4: only scored the Knicks 22 in the first quarter. They
[40:42] Speaker 4: score 42 in the second quarter. They're about to score
[40:46] Speaker 4: 47 total in the second half. But for one aberration
[40:50] Speaker 4: of a quarter, the second quarter, they somehow score 42 points.
[40:55] Speaker 4: And here are the numbers. They make 14 of 19 shots.
[40:57] Speaker 4: They make 6 of 9 threes. They go crazy. They
[41:02] Speaker 4: make all eight free throws. They win the boards eight
[41:05] Speaker 4: to two in the second quarter. They win points in
[41:07] Speaker 4: the paint 16 to 12. They came out and just said, no,
[41:12] Speaker 4: not in our house. Not with this crowd. Not with
[41:15] Speaker 4: him sitting up there. Not with these people sitting down here.
[41:18] Speaker 4: They did that. And then they go in at halftime.
[41:21] Speaker 4: What were they, seven up at half?
[41:22] Speaker 1: Yep.
[41:25] Speaker 4: And then what happened? They score the rest of the way.
[41:29] Speaker 4: They go 27 in the third and 20 in the
[41:32] Speaker 4: fourth quarter thanks to two late desperation threes that got
[41:35] Speaker 4: them off 14. They're about to finish with 14 points, right?
[41:41] Speaker 5: You just explained the reason why they would fight back
[41:44] Speaker 5: in the first half compared to the second. It's because
[41:46] Speaker 5: we're down this detriment with the people here. We have
[41:50] Speaker 5: to fight back to keep the energy for the second half,
[41:53] Speaker 5: which they didn't sustain because Tony's not enough.
[41:55] Speaker 4: They did not sustain. It's like they shot it all
[41:59] Speaker 4: in the second quarter and they couldn't reach down for anything.
[42:03] Speaker 3: Listen, man, this Knicks team, we do realize some of
[42:06] Speaker 3: the numbers they've put up in this postseason, right? And
[42:09] Speaker 3: some of these games, astronomical numbers.
[42:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[42:14] Speaker 3: So that quarter wasn't a nominee. That quarter was who
[42:17] Speaker 3: the Knicks are.
[42:17] Speaker 1: They are hot. That was it. Those were the Knicks.
[42:19] Speaker 1: That was the Knicks.
[42:20] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[42:21] Speaker 3: So I think they didn't sustain it. They just wasn't
[42:23] Speaker 3: making shots in the second half.
[42:25] Speaker 2: And they went away from the game plan.
[42:27] Speaker 1: That's all.
[42:28] Speaker 3: They just didn't make shots in the second half. So
[42:29] Speaker 3: when they stopped making shots, Jalen Brunson feels he has
[42:32] Speaker 3: to do more.
[42:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[42:33] Speaker 3: So they're not making shots. Cat not being aggressive. Jalen
[42:37] Speaker 3: Brunson's got to be more. He's going to do more,
[42:39] Speaker 3: dribble more. But that second quarter, we've seen that Knicks
[42:44] Speaker 3: team more often in this postseason than we have.
[42:47] Speaker 1: We have.
[42:48] Speaker 3: We've gone 47 in the second half.
[42:50] Speaker 4: We've gone for 13 straight games.
[42:52] Speaker 1: So that's my point exactly. So I don't see no
[42:55] Speaker 1: quit in this Knicks team. I don't care what you do.
[42:58] Speaker 5: So the third quarter, what was the volume of shots
[43:01] Speaker 5: that they get compared to that second quarter?
[43:04] Speaker 2: You said 14? 14 of 19.
[43:04] Speaker 1: That's 19 field goals.
[43:08] Speaker 4: I mean, they scored 27 in the third, but not.
[43:11] Speaker 1: How many field goals they shoot. I don't know. Everything
[43:14] Speaker 1: right now. That goes to what you were just saying
[43:17] Speaker 1: about the pace. They were 11 for 23 in the third,
[43:19] Speaker 1: 3 for 6 from 3.
[43:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, so they shot more shots. More shots in the third.
[43:24] Speaker 1: They just didn't hit. They didn't hit shots. They're 7
[43:27] Speaker 1: for 27 in the fourth. Or 27 shots in the fourth.
[43:30] Speaker 1: 7 for 27. Brunson, OG were 6 for 11 combined.
[43:32] Speaker 1: The rest of the team was 1 for 16.
[43:34] Speaker 3: And Larry Shaman was 1 for 7 from 3. He
[43:36] Speaker 3: won't shoot that bad. So I feel, that's why I
[43:39] Speaker 3: think game 4.
[43:41] Speaker 1: You can't have a good second quarter and then like
[43:44] Speaker 1: we all know it's the game. You got to make sense.
[43:46] Speaker 1: You know you got to make sense. Zero points in
[43:49] Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter? Zero points combined
[43:53] Speaker 1: in three fourth quarters. That's my worry right there. We're
[43:56] Speaker 1: going to keep going away from the game.
[43:57] Speaker 6: Yeah, we're getting away from what's getting us there.
[44:00] Speaker 1: We're getting back into Bronson dribbling ball 500 times around.
[44:05] Speaker 1: and got to figure out something.
[44:07] Speaker 6: Cat shouldn't go three games and not score in the
[44:10] Speaker 6: fourth quarter at all.
[44:11] Speaker 4: He's not even shooting in the fourth. He only took
[44:13] Speaker 4: six shots.
[44:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's had several donuts in fourth quarters throughout
[44:17] Speaker 1: the postseason. He's not even really out there in the fourth.
[44:19] Speaker 1: He's only taking six shots.
[44:21] Speaker 2: Like, what's going on?
[44:22] Speaker 3: He's supposed to get six shots in every fourth quarter.
[44:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. He's the second best player.
[44:27] Speaker 6: We should start the game with Cat, and we should
[44:28] Speaker 6: also start the fourth quarter with the ball in Cat's hand.
[44:31] Speaker 1: Okay. There's no reason he don't get four shots a quarter. Easy.
[44:36] Speaker 1: Four shots, eight quarters. He should get four shots, eight quarters.
[44:39] Speaker 2: But like he said, he went away from being aggressive
[44:41] Speaker 2: against them young dudes.
[44:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, when they switched them. When they switched it up, he.
[44:44] Speaker 2: Acted like he didn't know how to play basketball anymore.
[44:46] Speaker 4: Okay, but in the three fourth quarters so far, Jalen
[44:49] Speaker 4: Brunson has shot it 25 times in the three fourth quarters.
[44:53] Speaker 4: He's made 12 of them, as you pointed out yesterday.
[44:56] Speaker 4: He's been really good, two of five from three, but
[44:59] Speaker 4: he's made 12 of 25 shots. The next in the
[45:02] Speaker 4: three combined fourth quarters of shots taken is O.G. with 13.
[45:05] Speaker 4: So he's taking 12 more shots than the next guy.
[45:07] Speaker 4: That's the closer. And Cat's taking six. So it's Jalen
[45:11] Speaker 4: Brunson takes 25 to six shots to Cat.
[45:14] Speaker 3: But we look at Jalen Brunson as their closer.
[45:16] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
[45:18] Speaker 5: 12 minutes in the quarter, though. At least give me
[45:20] Speaker 5: six minutes. Before you start getting into closer mode.
[45:24] Speaker 1: He's only playing like eight or nine minutes, though, in
[45:27] Speaker 1: those games, right?
[45:28] Speaker 4: He's playing nine, nine per.
[45:30] Speaker 3: And he was in foul trouble. He sat out because
[45:32] Speaker 3: I'm sitting in mid-bill. I'm asking Brandon, hey, why the
[45:35] Speaker 3: hell Jalen Brunson on the way? Why the hell Jalen
[45:37] Speaker 3: Brunson isn't in the game?
[45:38] Speaker 1: He was talking about he got four fouls. I don't
[45:39] Speaker 1: give a fuck how many fouls.
[45:40] Speaker 4: Four?
[45:40] Speaker 1: That's four. I don't give a fuck how many fouls
[45:42] Speaker 1: he has right now. Yeah. He needs to be in
[45:44] Speaker 1: the game because Cat wasn't being aggressive. No.
[45:48] Speaker 4: No.
[45:49] Speaker 3: When Cat has not been aggressive, they are an easier
[45:53] Speaker 3: team to defend. When he's been aggressive, being assertive, they
[45:57] Speaker 3: are a problem.
[45:58] Speaker 1: Cat only averaging two points per game, though, in the
[46:00] Speaker 1: fourth quarters and the entire postseason. And obviously some have
[46:03] Speaker 1: been blowouts and there have been other situations going on.
[46:05] Speaker 5: There can't be a reason why we over-panicked because we've
[46:08] Speaker 5: won how many in a row with that?
[46:11] Speaker 1: That's a terrible trend.
[46:15] Speaker 5: Not if we're blowing teams out in the game six,
[46:19] Speaker 5: game seven.
[46:20] Speaker 1: But you didn't blow everybody out in them 13 wins. No,
[46:22] Speaker 1: not all of them.
[46:24] Speaker 5: But the big time closeout wins, we haven't had a
[46:27] Speaker 5: need to go towards you in these moments because we
[46:31] Speaker 5: are up.
[46:32] Speaker 3: Those are series clinching wins, right? So those are three series.
[46:35] Speaker 3: That's three games of blowouts, right?
[46:38] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, what about them games? Highest point differential coming
[46:42] Speaker 1: into the finals. I know it was some games. Yeah.
[46:44] Speaker 1: There they had to. That's a bad trend. Remember what
[46:46] Speaker 1: you said about.
[46:47] Speaker 3: Went to 13 straight with that. That's a bad trend.
[46:49] Speaker 1: They didn't address. Yes.
[46:51] Speaker 3: After win seven, we probably should get Cat going.
[46:54] Speaker 1: In the fourth.
[46:55] Speaker 5: But remember the conversation we said that Cat had to
[46:57] Speaker 5: have with Mike Brown getting on the same accord, right?
[47:01] Speaker 5: That conversation is the whole I'm going to do and
[47:04] Speaker 5: sacrifice for the team conversation. So I'm not going to
[47:07] Speaker 5: try to change the trajectory of what's gotten us to
[47:10] Speaker 5: win 11 in a row.
[47:11] Speaker 4: No.
[47:12] Speaker 1: Just so I wanted to get the ball in the fourth.
[47:14] Speaker 5: But remember what we talked about with Jason Taylor and
[47:16] Speaker 5: Jalen Brown when Jason Taylor was playing some bullshit basketball
[47:20] Speaker 5: during that time. And Jalen Brown was being consistent. I'm like, hey, man,
[47:23] Speaker 5: Jason Taylor, you need to amp it up.
[47:25] Speaker 1: If you want that shit at the end of the year,
[47:27] Speaker 1: you can't play like y'all expect to be here. You
[47:29] Speaker 1: can just play like this. You're going to have to
[47:31] Speaker 1: pick your shit up. This is the same instance. The
[47:33] Speaker 1: guy got to pick his shit up in order for.
[47:36] Speaker 5: In order for the team to actually catapult, Cat can't
[47:39] Speaker 5: be shrinking in the moment, but he also already made
[47:42] Speaker 5: a commitment to be a part of the team in
[47:44] Speaker 5: whatever they need him. So he's just shrinking. He's not
[47:48] Speaker 5: going out and saying, give me the ball. He's just saying, we've.
[47:50] Speaker 1: Been winning like this. Go ahead, Jalen. Take us home, bro.
[47:54] Speaker 4: Okay, but one cut deeper would be, why did Minnesota
[47:57] Speaker 4: trade Cat in the first place?
[48:00] Speaker 5: I think it was a little bit of selfish reasons
[48:04] Speaker 5: when he had the 50 Was it 60? He had
[48:07] Speaker 5: a 60-something. He was chasing the ball. That's what I
[48:11] Speaker 5: heard about the conflict happening right there. And Cat was
[48:15] Speaker 5: more thinking about himself than he was the team.
[48:18] Speaker 4: I just think they decided he ain't that dude. You know,
[48:21] Speaker 4: he's not that guy. And we'd rather have Julius as
[48:24] Speaker 4: a tougher guy, mentally tougher.
[48:26] Speaker 3: No, I think they were just trying to get off
[48:29] Speaker 3: of Cat and Julius was the Knicks was a willing participant.
[48:34] Speaker 3: And they had a guy, Julius Randle, who they were
[48:37] Speaker 3: on the fence about.
[48:38] Speaker 1: Well, what, this ground open arena, I mean. Yeah, yeah.
[48:41] Speaker 1: Get Julius out of there. Yeah, so I think it was.
[48:43] Speaker 1: But you're paying Cat a lot of bread. The boat.
[48:46] Speaker 3: But with all that said, they had won 13 straight
[48:51] Speaker 3: games with him only doing the minimum work in the
[48:57] Speaker 3: fourth quarter. But it's a bad trend to have on
[49:02] Speaker 3: your resume. Especially now the game's getting tighter.
[49:06] Speaker 1: Finals. You need them in the fourth.
[49:08] Speaker 3: So, let's see if they address it tonight.
[49:12] Speaker 1: But you're talking about a Knicks team that won 13
[49:13] Speaker 1: straight games. It's not like they just got smacked in
[49:15] Speaker 1: game three. Yeah. No, not at all. I'm just saying
[49:17] Speaker 1: they were bound to lose the games. Are people kind
[49:19] Speaker 1: of overreacting at this moment? You did go into San Antonio,
[49:22] Speaker 1: however it happened. You took two on the road to
[49:24] Speaker 1: start this series.
[49:25] Speaker 6: Not overreacting because each game went way harder. I mean,
[49:29] Speaker 6: tonight's going to be a fight. They're going to need
[49:30] Speaker 6: him in the fourth quarter again. These young dudes are not.
[49:33] Speaker 1: Just going to lay down.
[49:34] Speaker 2: Nobody's going to lay down.
[49:35] Speaker 6: So this is going to definitely– I mean, you guys
[49:37] Speaker 6: have been playing each other Well, three times now. So
[49:39] Speaker 6: you guys played almost, what, six, seven times already. I mean,
[49:42] Speaker 6: game four, we already know what's coming. So this is
[49:45] Speaker 6: going to go down to the last in the fourth quarter.
[49:47] Speaker 6: And Cat can't have another fourth quarter with zero points.
[49:50] Speaker 6: And you've been out there for seven minutes. And they've
[49:52] Speaker 6: got to stop fouling.
[49:53] Speaker 1: But they won two games in the series with them
[49:55] Speaker 1: having zero points.
[49:56] Speaker 5: No, you know, because who else played bad?
[49:58] Speaker 1: No, you can't. McKell Bridges. McKell Bridges played bad.
[50:01] Speaker 5: Their essential role players ain't been playing the best, which
[50:05] Speaker 5: is why Cat don't feel no pressure because they know
[50:08] Speaker 5: that anybody can go off that make him feel like
[50:10] Speaker 5: he ain't have to do what he needed to do
[50:12] Speaker 5: except for play the role that he's been asked to play.
[50:16] Speaker 5: It's not a good thing for him to do it
[50:17] Speaker 5: this way. I don't like when players do it like this.
[50:19] Speaker 4: What?
[50:20] Speaker 1: Like a cat stepping into the, I'm going to play
[50:22] Speaker 1: the role the way the coach wants me to play. No,
[50:23] Speaker 1: this is not a role.
[50:24] Speaker 6: No, we're going to put you in a position. No, no,
[50:25] Speaker 6: this is not a role. We're going to put you
[50:26] Speaker 6: in a position.
[50:27] Speaker 1: Listen to what I'm saying. We're going to put you
[50:29] Speaker 1: in a position.
[50:29] Speaker 5: He stuck his mind literally in the fact that I
[50:32] Speaker 5: can sit behind what the coach asked me to do.
[50:36] Speaker 5: It's not a good thing because he could go and
[50:39] Speaker 5: impose his will on the.
[50:41] Speaker 1: Game and get the ball.
[50:42] Speaker 2: He has been doing that.
[50:43] Speaker 1: No, he hasn't. In the fourth quarter, he ain't even
[50:44] Speaker 1: been scoring. No, no.
[50:45] Speaker 6: Yeah, these last three games, what I'm saying is overall,
[50:49] Speaker 6: since the roll, since he's been put in this position,
[50:51] Speaker 6: he's been doing his thing.
[50:52] Speaker 1: Not in the fourth quarters, though. These last three games.
[50:54] Speaker 5: We're saying in the fourth quarters, in order for Cat
[50:57] Speaker 5: to get the ball and be effective, he has to
[50:59] Speaker 5: get out.
[51:00] Speaker 1: Of the, I'm going to play my role for the team.
[51:03] Speaker 1: He has to. It's the same role that he's been playing.
[51:05] Speaker 1: He's not going to see the ball. He's not going
[51:07] Speaker 1: to see the ball in the fourth. He's getting the ball.
[51:09] Speaker 2: He's just not making it.
[51:10] Speaker 5: He's not shooting it. He ain't making it. He's taking
[51:13] Speaker 5: two shots maybe. He's not imposing his will. We talked
[51:16] Speaker 5: about the post-ups and the ceiling, getting those fouls, getting
[51:19] Speaker 5: to the free throw line. He can get to the
[51:21] Speaker 5: free throw line four times if he wants to. But
[51:23] Speaker 5: he's literally shrinking to the moment because this is what
[51:25] Speaker 5: he's accustomed to now.
[51:26] Speaker 4: And he has one assist in three fourth quarters. So
[51:30] Speaker 4: he's not even doing that.
[51:31] Speaker 1: He's not even doing that. Yep.
[51:33] Speaker 2: The ball's not in his hands.
[51:35] Speaker 6: The ball is in the little man's hands.
[51:36] Speaker 5: It's in the little man's hands. Yeah, the volume's not there.
[51:40] Speaker 5: You're the little nigga to pump it. And they up 2-1, so.
[51:44] Speaker 1: Got it all shot.
[51:45] Speaker 2: And they still up 2-1 after all that.
[51:47] Speaker 1: They still up 2-1. Yeah, but. Hmm. Just looking. Zero
[51:54] Speaker 1: assists in game one in the fourth quarter. One assist
[51:57] Speaker 1: game two, zero assists game three. So, again. It's not
[52:01] Speaker 1: even going through him. It's a bad trend, but like
[52:03] Speaker 1: I said.
[52:03] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[52:04] Speaker 6: The first, when he's out there in the fourth quarter,
[52:05] Speaker 6: if it's in the beginning, let's just go right through
[52:07] Speaker 6: Kat again, the way we.
[52:08] Speaker 1: Started the game. Yep.
[52:09] Speaker 6: That's how it should be. Let's get some DHOs. Let's
[52:12] Speaker 6: get something to where it's just, let's get some movement.
[52:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, our first two plays.
[52:16] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[52:16] Speaker 3: Because you're scripting the first two, three plays out of
[52:19] Speaker 3: the timeout anyway, especially at the end of quarters, the
[52:22] Speaker 3: beginning of quarters. You're drawing up two plays. So that's
[52:28] Speaker 3: when Mike Brown as a coach, like now that it's
[52:32] Speaker 3: a thing that I don't know if they're paying attention
[52:34] Speaker 3: to it.
[52:34] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they are. They are a very.
[52:37] Speaker 3: Most teams are very analytical now with their staff and
[52:41] Speaker 3: things that they pay attention to. So I'm pretty sure
[52:43] Speaker 3: they know he hasn't scored in the fourth quarter yet.
[52:46] Speaker 3: So this is on Mike Brown and coaching staff to
[52:50] Speaker 3: draw something up.
[52:52] Speaker 1: Hey, big fella, I need you to be aggressive. What
[52:56] Speaker 1: would you draw up for him? A turn. Something simple.
[53:00] Speaker 1: A turn. Cross screen. Old school cross screen. Old school drop, turn.
[53:06] Speaker 1: Going to the block. Get him on the elbow. I
[53:10] Speaker 1: want you to shoot it.
[53:12] Speaker 3: If they don't double, if it's a one-on-one matchup, you
[53:14] Speaker 3: got to put this on the rim. It's just certain
[53:17] Speaker 3: clear messages that need to be. Fuck all the beating
[53:20] Speaker 3: around the bush and going around what you mean at
[53:23] Speaker 3: certain times with certain guys. In this situation, he hasn't
[53:26] Speaker 3: scored in the fourth. We need him to be aggressive
[53:28] Speaker 3: in scoring the fourth. You got to use direct messaging.
[53:31] Speaker 3: That's just what it is. You got to use direct messaging. Hey,
[53:35] Speaker 3: throw it to you, shoot it. Like, it's that simple, right?
[53:38] Speaker 3: If I draw something up for you, you get two
[53:39] Speaker 3: feet in the paint, I expect you to shoot it.
[53:41] Speaker 1: All right, so he go 0 for 4. what we
[53:45] Speaker 1: do now.
[53:45] Speaker 6: We can go 0-4, but the thing is, when Cat
[53:48] Speaker 6: has the ball, that's what gets Bridges and all these
[53:50] Speaker 6: guys going. So when he's not, you can still go
[53:53] Speaker 6: 0-4 and still be in the play. Like, your aggressiveness
[53:56] Speaker 6: is not always just about scoring, but it's about being
[53:58] Speaker 6: able to, like, stand.
[53:59] Speaker 1: In the play, setting the screen. The one three he passed,
[54:02] Speaker 1: the one he was in the paint, and we was like,
[54:03] Speaker 1: how the hell did he see him? Yes, yes.
[54:05] Speaker 3: Right, the OGM, though, was it on there? I'm like,
[54:08] Speaker 3: great basketball play. You got two feet in the paint,
[54:10] Speaker 3: there's three people around you.
[54:11] Speaker 4: Boom.
[54:12] Speaker 1: You made the right basketball play, threw it out to three, right?
[54:14] Speaker 1: Do he need to score points or not? Yes. Everything.
[54:18] Speaker 1: Just be aggressive. So if he's 0 for 4. He's
[54:20] Speaker 1: been aggressive. He needs to score. In order to score,
[54:25] Speaker 1: you've got to shoot it.
[54:26] Speaker 4: Right.
[54:27] Speaker 5: So what I'm saying is the plays we're running for
[54:29] Speaker 5: him to get these four shots, he misses, right? We
[54:32] Speaker 5: still got eight, nine minutes left. We're playing without Brunson
[54:38] Speaker 5: right now. So this is the top of the fourth.
[54:40] Speaker 5: Brunson's on the bench. We're trying to get Cat involved
[54:43] Speaker 5: while Brunson's on the bench. He goes 0 for 4.
[54:47] Speaker 5: Now Brunson comes in the game. Do we still.
[54:50] Speaker 1: Try to go back to Cat? I think he's got
[54:52] Speaker 1: to get it in the flow now.
[54:53] Speaker 5: But remember, this is 0 for 4. But now he
[54:55] Speaker 5: gets it in the flow. So is the flow what
[54:57] Speaker 5: got us here? Got us where?
[55:01] Speaker 1: Where we are right now as far as in the
[55:03] Speaker 1: fourth without.
[55:03] Speaker 5: Him yeah the flow the flow has been without him
[55:06] Speaker 5: but we're forcing him now we've.
[55:08] Speaker 3: Been aggressive but throughout the first three quarters we've known
[55:11] Speaker 3: he has been aggressive when the solid yes yes we
[55:15] Speaker 3: saw it last day he go and drive to the
[55:16] Speaker 3: basket lay up you flexing on people all of that
[55:18] Speaker 3: he did that right we're saying it started the fourth
[55:21] Speaker 3: let's go for four you got a flow but you
[55:23] Speaker 3: just not miss not make now you're Now you got
[55:26] Speaker 3: to get I'm still gonna call some plays for you.
[55:28] Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you go without touching it We
[55:29] Speaker 1: can still put but now you would get in the flow.
[55:32] Speaker 3: There are multiple timeouts now throughout the fourth quarter, right?
[55:36] Speaker 1: So you giving me more than four touches now?
[55:38] Speaker 3: I'm a have to in order for you Because you
[55:44] Speaker 3: only got you only giving me two because no because
[55:47] Speaker 3: we know what 11 gonna do in the last four
[55:49] Speaker 3: minutes of the game and He.
[55:51] Speaker 5: Going to take 10 of them. We know what 11
[55:53] Speaker 5: is going to do. He going to take 10 of them.
[55:55] Speaker 5: We know what 11.
[55:56] Speaker 1: Is going to do. That's just like what happened when
[55:59] Speaker 1: we was in Denver, right?
[56:00] Speaker 3: We knew 15 was going to take most of the
[56:03] Speaker 3: shots in the fourth quarter.
[56:04] Speaker 1: That's why we were successful.
[56:06] Speaker 3: When Chauncey came because throughout the first three quarters, the
[56:10] Speaker 3: ball is moving. The first three and a half quarters,
[56:13] Speaker 3: the ball is moving and this, that, and the third.
[56:15] Speaker 1: Chauncey getting his. J.R. getting his.
[56:17] Speaker 3: Nene getting his post-ups. I'm getting mine. Clay's getting three.
[56:20] Speaker 3: The ball is moving. Fourth quarter, we know that 15
[56:23] Speaker 3: is going to take 9, 10, 11, 12 shots.
[56:25] Speaker 1: We know that.
[56:29] Speaker 3: The ball is going to find 11 no matter what.
[56:32] Speaker 3: They know this is my closing time. He knows that.
[56:36] Speaker 3: So that's on coaching staff.
[56:39] Speaker 1: That's on. IQ for Cat IQ.
[56:43] Speaker 5: On other guys but it's on 15 too it's on
[56:47] Speaker 5: 15 and 11 to know too it's.
[56:48] Speaker 3: On IQ though it's on IQ for Cat to know
[56:52] Speaker 3: and Jalen the point guard to know hey Bigfella ain't
[56:55] Speaker 3: made one I gotta get Bigfella in touch I need
[56:57] Speaker 3: him 100% so it's multi-layered right I think it's everybody
[57:02] Speaker 3: in this shit together realizing We need Cat in order
[57:05] Speaker 3: to win this.
[57:06] Speaker 1: We need him to score in the fourth.
[57:08] Speaker 3: We need him to be more aggressive than he has
[57:11] Speaker 3: been in the fourth quarter.
[57:12] Speaker 1: Can we say that they feel that way? Yeah. Because
[57:15] Speaker 1: it hasn't been. He's only shot two in the fourth.
[57:17] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[57:17] Speaker 1: In the whole playoffs. They haven't felt like we need
[57:20] Speaker 1: to go to you, Cat, in the fourth. He's only
[57:24] Speaker 1: scored five more points one time. That was game one
[57:26] Speaker 1: against the Hawks. To me, that's what I'm leaning towards.
[57:29] Speaker 1: Eight games he hasn't scored in the fourth quarter. That's
[57:31] Speaker 1: a horrible trend that they need to address. And they
[57:33] Speaker 1: should have been addressed it.
[57:34] Speaker 4: By the way, Wimby has played every minute of all
[57:37] Speaker 4: three fourth quarters. And I give you that. I'm impressed
[57:40] Speaker 4: with that because he hasn't done that in his career.
[57:44] Speaker 4: This is a new trend. He's just saying, I'm going
[57:47] Speaker 4: to play the whole way. So, Cat has averaged the
[57:51] Speaker 4: most minutes in the fourth quarter for the Knicks at
[57:53] Speaker 4: 10 and Brunson's at 9. So, they're taking a little
[57:57] Speaker 4: bit of rest at the top, as you said.
[57:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[58:00] Speaker 4: And I don't know where Cat's two minutes of rest
[58:02] Speaker 4: are coming. But, again, you got Wimby's out there the
[58:07] Speaker 4: whole time. And I don't– I didn't try to focus
[58:10] Speaker 4: on this. I don't know if Wimby was guarding Cat
[58:14] Speaker 4: or was it Josh Hart in the fourth quarter. I
[58:16] Speaker 4: think it was Josh Hart. It looked more like it.
[58:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, OG, I think, both of them. So we talked
[58:23] Speaker 1: about this earlier, but let's really get deep into it.
[58:27] Speaker 1: Which team has more pressure on them? I know the
[58:29] Speaker 1: Knicks have a 2-1 lead. I just go with what
[58:32] Speaker 1: I said from the beginning. I think it's both teams.
[58:35] Speaker 1: I think it's an even 50-50. The pressure is split evenly,
[58:41] Speaker 1: in my opinion. I just think the Knicks can't afford
[58:44] Speaker 1: to go lose these two games at home and go
[58:47] Speaker 1: back down to San Antonio for game five. When they
[58:49] Speaker 1: have home court advantage, when the Spurs have home court advantage,
[58:53] Speaker 1: that's a bad thing.
[58:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[58:54] Speaker 1: Would mean they'd have to win at least three games
[58:57] Speaker 1: in San Antonio in this series.
[58:58] Speaker 3: And for San Antonio to go down 3-1, going back home,
[59:03] Speaker 3: that's a tough mountain to climb as well.
[59:05] Speaker 1: So I think it's 50-50, man.
[59:10] Speaker 3: Yeah because the Knicks are you unquoted you are playing
[59:15] Speaker 3: with house money because you got two games already you
[59:17] Speaker 3: got the two games on their floor so you playing
[59:20] Speaker 3: with house money but I wouldn't put my chips on
[59:23] Speaker 3: that I wouldn't put all my chips in the middle
[59:24] Speaker 3: of the table on.
[59:25] Speaker 5: That expectations experience championship pedigree mike brown has the upper
[59:34] Speaker 5: hand he should and is expected to win this game
[59:37] Speaker 5: you cannot throw this away now you have all the
[59:40] Speaker 5: marbles on the table again mike brown has all the
[59:42] Speaker 5: marbles in his pocket right now if he don't win
[59:44] Speaker 5: this game hey take them shits out your pocket put
[59:47] Speaker 5: them back on the table it's even steven now the
[59:49] Speaker 5: last thing you need pressure from the next side is
[59:52] Speaker 5: to actually have to go in and win this based
[59:55] Speaker 5: on you not being able to shut it down for
[59:58] Speaker 5: the rest.
[59:58] Speaker 1: You cannot win out if you don't win this game.
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: It's just the only one.
[1:00:02] Speaker 3: You see Mike Brown being an assistant has the.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: He has championship pedigree. As an assistant, though. But he's
[1:00:07] Speaker 1: a championship coach.
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: But as an assistant, he wasn't making any decisions.
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: I don't know. All I know is he's a championship coach.
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: He wasn't making no decisions.
[1:00:16] Speaker 5: And Mitch Johnson has no experience. Mike Brown has all
[1:00:19] Speaker 5: the experience. Jalen Brunson has all the experience. All of
[1:00:22] Speaker 5: these guys on that team, they have experience. They have
[1:00:27] Speaker 5: basketball minds. So they should have the upper hand to
[1:00:31] Speaker 5: to solidify this like this. This is this is no
[1:00:34] Speaker 5: not a question at all. When it comes to this team,
[1:00:36] Speaker 5: first time here, their best player don't know nothing about
[1:00:39] Speaker 5: this feeling. Jalen Brunson won two national championships. He done
[1:00:43] Speaker 5: been in this league long enough to know how it works.
[1:00:45] Speaker 5: So has Mikael Bridges. So has Mike Brown and Mitchell
[1:00:49] Speaker 5: Robinson and Carl Anthony Towns. These are guys that they
[1:00:53] Speaker 5: know what's at stake. And if they throw this away,
[1:00:56] Speaker 5: they know they're going to be feeling like, oh, shit.
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: Mikael Bridges also knows what it's like to be up
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: 2-0 in the finals. And trick off that final.
[1:01:03] Speaker 5: Man, he was there and had to see the confetti
[1:01:05] Speaker 5: come down and look at his brother and be like, damn,
[1:01:08] Speaker 5: we was that close.
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: And here he is now.
[1:01:11] Speaker 5: So he got to be telling the guys, listen, we
[1:01:14] Speaker 5: do not want to be in that moment that I
[1:01:16] Speaker 5: was in to lose that shit the way we lost it.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: All right, well. Yeah, I'm going to have to go Knicks.
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: I'm going to have to go with the.
[1:01:25] Speaker 6: Knicks just because it's a down year on the East.
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: Next year, the East is going to be much better.
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: So.
[1:01:30] Speaker 6: And with the way these young boys have been answering
[1:01:34] Speaker 6: the call all year, you know, you have a chance
[1:01:36] Speaker 6: to just put them away going up 3-1, having them
[1:01:39] Speaker 6: have the pressure on them at home. If they get
[1:01:42] Speaker 6: this win here, they go back home with a lot
[1:01:45] Speaker 6: of confidence and, you know, they're young and you know
[1:01:47] Speaker 6: how they play at home. But also this is Mike
[1:01:49] Speaker 6: Brown's second time in the finals against the Spurs. 0-7,
[1:01:53] Speaker 6: he got swept with Bron and them. So I don't
[1:01:55] Speaker 6: know if you want to repeat that same type of–
[1:01:59] Speaker 6: you know, thing that happened back then. So yeah, there's a,
[1:02:02] Speaker 6: it is a little bit more pressure. I mean, game three,
[1:02:03] Speaker 6: you had all the noise game for, it won't be
[1:02:05] Speaker 6: a lot of noise. So should be kind of, you know,
[1:02:08] Speaker 6: just about the Knicks. But if you don't win this
[1:02:10] Speaker 6: game and you should be very worried.
[1:02:17] Speaker 4: You know, it's pressure's funny. It doesn't matter what I
[1:02:21] Speaker 4: say or anybody on this couch says it's what the
[1:02:24] Speaker 4: team is feeling. And I just think the Knicks are
[1:02:27] Speaker 4: feeling a little more pressure than the visiting team tonight
[1:02:31] Speaker 4: because of what happened in Game 3 when the Knicks
[1:02:36] Speaker 4: came out before what was described as the greatest crowd
[1:02:39] Speaker 4: in Madison Square Garden history, and they stunk for three
[1:02:43] Speaker 4: out of the four quarters. So it created, I think,
[1:02:47] Speaker 4: a little bit of doubt in the Knicks' mind, just
[1:02:49] Speaker 4: a little bit. All the things you said about pedigree
[1:02:52] Speaker 4: or all those things, they're exactly right. And do I
[1:02:58] Speaker 4: think Jalen Brunson's feeling more pressure? I don't tonight. But
[1:03:01] Speaker 4: the squad, yes, I do think the Knicks are feeling
[1:03:05] Speaker 4: a little more pressure because the pendulum swung so wildly,
[1:03:09] Speaker 4: even off a close game, it feels like the Spurs
[1:03:12] Speaker 4: are up two games to one. And they're not, to
[1:03:15] Speaker 4: your point. They're in danger of going down three games
[1:03:19] Speaker 4: to one. So you're saying both teams should feel equal pressure.
[1:03:22] Speaker 4: I got it. And that's a very fair way to
[1:03:27] Speaker 4: look at it. But to me, the Knicks have to be,
[1:03:32] Speaker 4: that creeping doubt in the back of your mind, damn,
[1:03:34] Speaker 4: what if we become the victims, the home victims of
[1:03:40] Speaker 4: a first in the NBA Finals where no road team's
[1:03:43] Speaker 4: ever won the first four games? And there's some danger
[1:03:47] Speaker 4: of that happening. And I'm looking at the Knicks in
[1:03:52] Speaker 4: the 3-4th quarter's They've missed 56 shots. That's a lot
[1:03:57] Speaker 4: of shots to miss in three fourth quarters. They've shot 31%
[1:04:01] Speaker 4: as 23 of 79. But at San Antonio, when it really,
[1:04:05] Speaker 4: really mattered, that little mighty mouse, he said, watch this,
[1:04:09] Speaker 4: I got you. And he made all the difference makers.
[1:04:14] Speaker 4: The littlest man on the floor, shortest man on the floor,
[1:04:18] Speaker 4: had the biggest impact in San Antonio. But he wasn't
[1:04:22] Speaker 4: quite able to pull it off the other night. Even
[1:04:24] Speaker 4: though he was really good, he just got no help
[1:04:27] Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter. And I'm not sure he wanted
[1:04:29] Speaker 4: any help in the fourth quarter. He just said, I
[1:04:31] Speaker 4: got you. I got this. But he couldn't quite get
[1:04:35] Speaker 4: it home. So the score of the three fourth quarters
[1:04:39] Speaker 4: combined is San Antonio 71, Nick 70. 71 to 70
[1:04:41] Speaker 4: in the three fourth quarters.
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: So....
[1:04:47] Speaker 4: It's crazy, but wait a minute, the Knicks are up
[1:04:50] Speaker 4: two games to one, even though they've lost the fourth
[1:04:53] Speaker 4: quarter by one point because that little man did the
[1:04:57] Speaker 4: biggest damage. So do I think there's a little doubt
[1:05:01] Speaker 4: in their minds? Because there's the Knicks factor. They're fighting history, man.
[1:05:06] Speaker 4: History screams tonight. you're going to crumble in front of
[1:05:10] Speaker 4: your fans because you've been crumbling for 53 years, right?
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: Patrick, you and Mrs. again. Oh, my God. He's rocking
[1:05:21] Speaker 1: Stanford and Sunfish now.
[1:05:23] Speaker 4: Yeah, and in the other locker room, Steph Castle's saying,
[1:05:28] Speaker 4: I expect to win, and I believe he does.
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: Not one, three. Yeah. Not just this guy.
[1:05:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the whole thing. Three.
[1:05:35] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: We're getting this over with. Yeah. You appreciate that comment,
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: but let's get the first one. We got to get
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: the first one. And then we can worry about the
[1:05:42] Speaker 1: next two. All right, but let's keep this thing moving forward.
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: So Knicks hosted their first Finals home game since 1999.
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: Trump became the first sitting president to attend an NBA
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: Finals game. NYPD and Secret Service beefed up security measures
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: prior to Game 3, creating a perimeter around the arena
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: with TSA-style security checkpoints. while moving the traditional watch party
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: outside MSG to different locations. So as a result, the
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: vibe was negatively impacted inside and outside the arena. Many
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: assume this would be a one-time thing, but Wednesday, the
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: NYPD officially announced they will have the same secure zone
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: around MSG and screening process as game three. There will
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: be a watch party outside MSG for game four, but
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: it'll be a ticketed event. New Yorkers don't like tickets.
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: As you know, they like to pull up and do
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: what they want. So MSG Sports responded preemptively to the
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: news Tuesday night in a press release. calling New York
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: City Mayor Zoran Mamdani and the NYPD party poopers. Statement
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: said in part, we've been told the NYPD will once
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: again implement the same frozen zone restrictions for game four.
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: which were supposedly to thwart any threats related to the
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: president's attendance. We know these restrictions were never about the president.
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: It was just a convenient excuse to restrict how and
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: when Knicks fans celebrate. Stammer went on to say, these
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: celebrations are a part of the heart and soul of
[1:06:56] Speaker 1: New Yorkers. The actions of the mayor and police commissioner,
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: supposedly in support of the Knicks and their fans, are
[1:07:03] Speaker 1: difficult to understand. Good or bad move for the NYPD
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: to continue the increased security measures around Madison Square Garden.
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: We know the arena gets turnt up. We've seen it.
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: We've seen it after regular season games. We've seen it
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: all throughout the playoffs. Eight people got their ass whooped
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: after the game. But they're going to get their ass
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: whooped anyway.
[1:07:20] Speaker 2: This is the last time the Knicks are going to
[1:07:22] Speaker 2: be in the finals. It's costing too much.
[1:07:24] Speaker 6: The ticket price is obviously a drop. It's costing way
[1:07:27] Speaker 6: too much right now in New York. They better enjoy
[1:07:29] Speaker 6: this and win it all because this is it.
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: This is it. It seems like they're fumbling this moment
[1:07:34] Speaker 1: just a little bit.
[1:07:35] Speaker 4: Never again?
[1:07:36] Speaker 6: It's going to be a game, but they're going to
[1:07:37] Speaker 6: have to let some years go by. They're costing too much.
[1:07:40] Speaker 6: It's just a lot going on. It seems like a
[1:07:42] Speaker 6: fumbling of the moment. The culture of New York, we
[1:07:45] Speaker 6: got you here, and you're playing with the basketball guys here.
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: Their fans are just outrageous.
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: The switch-up. You can't walk down the street. We were
[1:07:53] Speaker 1: fine all playoffs. Now we get the finals. We don't
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: know how to act. Yeah. People's getting their ass whooped.
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: I mean, it's been happening since.
[1:07:59] Speaker 5: They wasn't recording it before. They were turning the record
[1:08:01] Speaker 5: button off. Now they're like, look, this is.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: What we're doing when we lose.
[1:08:08] Speaker 5: They're like, man, we're not having this. We came too
[1:08:10] Speaker 5: far to lose now. We're going to get somebody getting
[1:08:14] Speaker 5: their ass whooped outside if we lose inside.
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: Win or lose, that's going to happen. Zone three. Set
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: up zone three. Perimeter check. Thank you. Yep. Set it up.
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: We're going to get that. Make sure they get outside
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: of that border. That's what you got security for. Pay
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: him handsomely.
[1:08:29] Speaker 2: It's costing too much. They ain't even winning yet.
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: Back up. Back up. Ticket prices are down to like
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: three or four grand for this game. They were as
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: high as I would believe average price of $ 14, 000. I
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: think earlier in the series after Knicks lost game three,
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: they dropped a little bit.
[1:08:41] Speaker 5: Knicks fans get off that motherfucking ticket for a quick,
[1:08:44] Speaker 5: as soon as you lose, they're.
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: Like, damn, that was my chance.
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: Well, $ 3, 000.
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: $ 14, 000 to $ 3, 000? $ 3 million, $ 10 million on protection. You
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: got Madison Square Garden Sports beefing with the NYPD, beefing
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: with the mayor. Skip, do you think this is a
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: good look for the city right now? In their first
[1:09:02] Speaker 1: final since 1999, like you mentioned, haven't won a championship
[1:09:05] Speaker 1: since 1973.
[1:09:08] Speaker 4: I know a little about New York because I lived
[1:09:10] Speaker 4: there for 20 years. I worked up in Connecticut, but weekends,
[1:09:15] Speaker 4: I was in New York City. And I have a
[1:09:20] Speaker 4: lot of friends there who are Knicks fans, and obviously
[1:09:24] Speaker 4: I've never heard them so excited as they were going
[1:09:27] Speaker 4: into Game 3. And I do think this has been
[1:09:31] Speaker 4: a giant buzzkill, and the president's presence had something to.
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: Do with that.
[1:09:36] Speaker 4: To your point, it's an excuse to sort of lock
[1:09:39] Speaker 4: it down. But you just needed to let the city
[1:09:44] Speaker 4: breathe and have its fun. Because the momentum created outside
[1:09:50] Speaker 4: the garden was going to help lift what happened inside
[1:09:54] Speaker 4: the garden. And you took that away the other night.
[1:09:58] Speaker 4: And look, that police force, I know it's struggled at
[1:10:04] Speaker 4: times over the years, but I've been a part of
[1:10:07] Speaker 4: that New Year's Eve celebration. Once upon a time when
[1:10:10] Speaker 4: I was much younger, I went and stood where they
[1:10:13] Speaker 4: lock you down in those little boxes all the way
[1:10:16] Speaker 4: back up. What is it, 8th Avenue? And listen, after
[1:10:23] Speaker 4: that ball drops, it's like two hours later, the street's
[1:10:27] Speaker 4: completely clean because they know how to do it. So
[1:10:30] Speaker 4: when they want to police something and do it correctly,
[1:10:33] Speaker 4: they do it correctly. They should have just let this
[1:10:36] Speaker 4: happen without selling the tickets to the event outside the garden.
[1:10:41] Speaker 4: Just let it be. Let New York be New York.
[1:10:44] Speaker 4: Let these people have something they haven't had before. for
[1:10:48] Speaker 4: most of all their lives. And I do think they've
[1:10:53] Speaker 4: blown it. They've blown an opportunity. You can't sell tickets
[1:10:56] Speaker 4: to what's just a come one, come all, like a
[1:11:00] Speaker 4: Central Park kind of event. And it just, you're buzz killing.
[1:11:06] Speaker 4: That's what you're doing. And maybe it all just lifted
[1:11:10] Speaker 4: off into Brandon's point. It's just, It's costing too much.
[1:11:13] Speaker 4: The tickets, everything went crazy. It's not the way it
[1:11:17] Speaker 4: should have been. And then on top of that, they lost.
[1:11:22] Speaker 4: And now the bottom falls out. And Nick's fans are,
[1:11:27] Speaker 4: I know them. I know them. I've lived with them.
[1:11:30] Speaker 4: I live with one every day and every night. And
[1:11:35] Speaker 4: she's quick to say, my wife, here they go again.
[1:11:39] Speaker 4: That's going to be the attitude. And there's going to
[1:11:41] Speaker 4: be a lot of that tonight. Like, here they go again.
[1:11:44] Speaker 4: Just when we thought we were golden, we're not. So,
[1:11:49] Speaker 4: I don't love it.
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: Can you think good or bad move for the NYPD
[1:11:54] Speaker 1: to be cracking down this much during games three and
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: four of the NBA Finals in New York City?
[1:11:59] Speaker 3: I think it needs some control. I think this is
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: too much. Yeah, you don't want it to get out
[1:12:05] Speaker 3: of control, but need to let the fans have somewhere to,
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: to celebrate their team. Um, there was a stat I
[1:12:15] Speaker 3: saw that 69% of New York residents were, were not
[1:12:19] Speaker 3: alive the last time.
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: They won the championship, which is true. It's crazy.
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: So let these people celebrate.
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, you want some type of control. I agree.
[1:12:32] Speaker 3: Um, Because we have seen the New York fans can
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: get rowdy, and they have been rowdy in these playoffs
[1:12:38] Speaker 3: as well, attacking opposing fans and things of that nature.
[1:12:45] Speaker 3: But I don't think this is.
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: That, right? You're not doing it.
[1:12:50] Speaker 3: To protect opposing fans.
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: You're doing this.
[1:12:55] Speaker 3: For one, it's a lot of man hours to put
[1:12:59] Speaker 3: all of that up. And it's even more man hours
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: to take it down. So I'm assuming overtime hours.
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: It's hitting right now.
[1:13:05] Speaker 3: All of those things exist. So you're paying the cops overtime.
[1:13:08] Speaker 3: You're paying the city workers overtime to come put that
[1:13:11] Speaker 3: up and take that down. So it's easier now because
[1:13:14] Speaker 3: just leave it up.
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:13:16] Speaker 3: So I think that's part of it as well. It's
[1:13:18] Speaker 3: all the money play. And the Knicks are not charging people.
[1:13:23] Speaker 3: The city are charging people to come to this event.
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: I think it's a ticketed event. I wasn't sure if
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: you just had to sign up and register to get
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: the ticket. But it's a ticketed event, but the Knicks
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: are not on board with this. They're not rocking with it.
[1:13:33] Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying. So where are these proceeds going?
[1:13:36] Speaker 5: I think the people with the screen outside.
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: We got the screen. They're showing it on the screen.
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: You want to come see the screen. Yeah. $ 100.
[1:13:43] Speaker 3: But it's just going to make people be more creative.
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: I think Knicks fans are going to be more creative
[1:13:49] Speaker 3: and find ways to watch it outside and be outside
[1:13:53] Speaker 3: and involved in a way that we've never seen before. So,
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: good luck controlling that, right? You're forcing people in other
[1:14:02] Speaker 3: areas to do other things and find other means to
[1:14:04] Speaker 3: watch it and being able to celebrate their team. So,
[1:14:08] Speaker 3: I just think it's a little too much right now
[1:14:10] Speaker 3: because it's a sporting event, man, and people trying to
[1:14:13] Speaker 3: enjoy it. Granted, there have been a few bad incidents.
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: We know that, but. Those are going to happen anyway.
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: It feels like. Yeah, it is. So you can't avoid it.
[1:14:23] Speaker 1: And we saw it after game three. I think Brian
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: Park had a watch party. They expected 5,000 people to come.
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: Around 7,000 to 8,000 people showed up. Naturally, these people
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: had to go somewhere after the game. Yeah. It was,
[1:14:34] Speaker 1: you know.
[1:14:35] Speaker 3: So, yeah, no, it's just one of those things, man.
[1:14:37] Speaker 3: But let the fans enjoy it, man. They've suffered long
[1:14:42] Speaker 3: enough as Knicks fans. So, yeah, let them enjoy it.
[1:14:47] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Sean, how you feeling about this whole situation? I
[1:14:53] Speaker 1: don't know, man.
[1:14:54] Speaker 5: I feel like when you got a president that's straight
[1:14:57] Speaker 5: out of a video game, you know what I'm saying?
[1:14:59] Speaker 5: He's been having more assassination attempts than King Cooper. Like,
[1:15:03] Speaker 5: what are you expecting? You don't want to shut down?
[1:15:05] Speaker 5: You have to. You know 9-11 happened in New York? Like,
[1:15:10] Speaker 5: there's a lot of shit be going on in New
[1:15:11] Speaker 5: York City that you need to be protected from. Like,
[1:15:15] Speaker 5: I'm surprised they're surprised. It's New York, and it's the Knicks,
[1:15:19] Speaker 5: and they're in the finals. Like, what are you guys
[1:15:21] Speaker 5: surprised about? We're going to lock this shit down. We're
[1:15:24] Speaker 5: going to make sure you do not go crazy.
[1:15:26] Speaker 4: They even had to install bulletproof glass in the owner's box.
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: You have to.
[1:15:31] Speaker 4: You have to.
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: Snake eyes, all these other, you know.
[1:15:34] Speaker 5: Very clever movies to get in here with some shit
[1:15:37] Speaker 5: to try to do some. We ain't seen no fan
[1:15:40] Speaker 5: run on the Knicks.
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: Like you said, there wasn't going to be no fan
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: run on the Knicks today. On the Knicks court, but.
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: Hit you in the back of your dome from a rifle,
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: from sniping.
[1:15:49] Speaker 4: Man.
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: Way over there. Up top. Special guys game, boy.
[1:15:53] Speaker 5: So, I mean, New York, you got to adjust to
[1:15:56] Speaker 5: the fact that this is an incredible moment for the
[1:16:00] Speaker 5: city and the country. But you can't act like you
[1:16:05] Speaker 5: don't need no security, especially in New York. If you
[1:16:08] Speaker 5: don't like it, go to Memphis. Go to Milwaukee. See
[1:16:10] Speaker 5: how it feel.
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: You're going to want some. Get some more attention. This
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: is New York. I think their prime is still ready
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: for the moment. We will see how Game 4 plays
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: out tonight. Tonight, make sure you pull up to the
[1:16:22] Speaker 1: Game 4 live watch party streaming on Twitch and YouTube.
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: Hop on the Gills Arena YouTube starting at 8.30 p.m.
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: Eastern Time. Come have some fun with the guys and
[1:16:33] Speaker 1: watch along as the Spurs look to even the series.
[1:16:37] Speaker 1: So there are other basketball situations going on around the league.
[1:16:40] Speaker 1: Let's talk about one of them. Bucs are nearing their
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: own self-imposed deadline to find a trade partner for Giannis
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: before the NBA draft. So back when Taylor Jenkins was
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: hired to replace Doc Rivers in early May, Bucs co-owner
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslam referenced the draft as a general timeline to
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: figure out Giannis' future, saying a move before then would
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: make sense so the Bucs could acquire some additional draft capital,
[1:17:02] Speaker 1: one of the most loaded drafts from recent memory. Haslam
[1:17:05] Speaker 1: is also the owner of the Browns, who recently traded
[1:17:08] Speaker 1: 2025 defensive player of the year Myles Garrett to the Rams.
[1:17:11] Speaker 1: So no stranger to making blockbuster deals. And according to
[1:17:14] Speaker 1: NBA insiders Mark Stein and Jake Fisher, the growing expectation
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: throughout the NBA is that Milwaukee will indeed trade Giannis
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: before the NBA draft. But according to Fisher, the Bucks
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: won't make a move until after the finals conclude to
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: see if the Knicks would still be interested in making
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: a deal for the Greek freak. So according to reports,
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: the Heat are Giannis' preferred destination, but the Celtics Cavs
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: Magic and Knicks could still all be viable options. Giannis
[1:17:37] Speaker 1: appeared in just 36 games this season, averaged 28 points,
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: 10 rebounds, and five assists per game. Saw his streak
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: of nine straight All-NBA, seven straight first-team selections snapped. Mr. B,
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: Bucks is six. Heavy in the 414. Seen it with
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: my own eyes. Well-embraced by the city. Which team gives
[1:17:58] Speaker 1: Giannis the best chance of competing for a championship? There's
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: a couple.
[1:18:02] Speaker 2: I made a list.
[1:18:04] Speaker 6: There's a couple teams, but honestly, I probably have to say,
[1:18:07] Speaker 6: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Giannis isn't traded
[1:18:10] Speaker 6: to the Miami Heat right when the finals is over
[1:18:13] Speaker 6: with Tyler Hero over there in the draft picks that
[1:18:15] Speaker 6: they can give up.
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: Khalil, where are Hawkeyes 2 potentially have been named in
[1:18:18] Speaker 1: that package?
[1:18:20] Speaker 6: And then you have, you know, OKC. They can also
[1:18:23] Speaker 6: entertain it because of what they have. They can move
[1:18:25] Speaker 6: Chet Boston if they wanted to move Jalen Brown, but
[1:18:28] Speaker 6: I don't really see that happening. Golden State, They could
[1:18:32] Speaker 6: probably make it happen. But with Steph and how old
[1:18:38] Speaker 6: he's getting, they're a little banged up older over there.
[1:18:41] Speaker 6: So I don't know how long that would last over there. So,
[1:18:46] Speaker 6: I mean, the best bet to me is Miami. I
[1:18:48] Speaker 6: know it's been hard to get players over there. there
[1:18:50] Speaker 6: because of the heat culture and everything like that. But
[1:18:53] Speaker 6: I think a guy like Giannis, if he does get
[1:18:55] Speaker 6: traded there, he can definitely bring people over there.
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: Miami being referred to as a prison with an ocean view.
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: It's in terms of the tight ship they run over there.
[1:19:04] Speaker 1: But can we look at all this? This Giannis trade
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: talk has been going on a long time. Bucks opted
[1:19:07] Speaker 1: not to make a move at the deadline. I had
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: a lot of beef between them and Giannis. Shut him
[1:19:12] Speaker 1: down for the season. He was ready to play. Had
[1:19:13] Speaker 1: the team investigated. New coach coming in, Taylor Jenkins, previously
[1:19:18] Speaker 1: with the Grizzlies, Jimmy Haslam. Owner said, we're trying to
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: get this done and we need to get what we
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: need to make it happen. But which team gives Giannis
[1:19:28] Speaker 1: the best chance of competing for a championship? He does
[1:19:30] Speaker 1: still hold a player option next year if he doesn't
[1:19:31] Speaker 1: sign an extension in October. Yeah.
[1:19:38] Speaker 3: I would like to see him team up with a
[1:19:39] Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell or someone like that, right? Someone who we
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: know is a bonafide star who can go get a
[1:19:44] Speaker 3: bucket in this league, um, who needs help. Um, got
[1:19:48] Speaker 3: a young Anvin Mobley over there. They got some things
[1:19:50] Speaker 3: that they can do. Um, they're Miami. I think Miami
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: would structure a team to put around him in order
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: to compete. We know how they are built, um, as
[1:20:00] Speaker 3: an organization. Um, But yeah, some interesting places I think
[1:20:08] Speaker 3: can get creative, to Brandon's point. OKC has a lot
[1:20:11] Speaker 3: to offer. Picks, players as well, coming off the postseason
[1:20:17] Speaker 3: that they all deemed as a failure. So trying to
[1:20:21] Speaker 3: get better, I think that helps. But yeah, there's a
[1:20:26] Speaker 3: few destinations, but if I'm looking at, like you said,
[1:20:30] Speaker 3: gives them the best chance to win right away, I
[1:20:38] Speaker 3: would say Cleveland because you have Donovan Mitchell and his experience.
[1:20:41] Speaker 3: The rest of them guys, because you would have to
[1:20:44] Speaker 3: give up so much in Miami to put a team
[1:20:47] Speaker 3: around him, but I think the experience Donovan Mitchell has,
[1:20:51] Speaker 3: Max Struess, the shooters that they have, I think can
[1:20:54] Speaker 3: fit him. But Going to Cleveland for Milwaukee is.
[1:21:00] Speaker 6: I was just about to say, if you're Milwaukee, do
[1:21:03] Speaker 6: you trade them to the same division?
[1:21:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Going from Cleveland to Milwaukee
[1:21:09] Speaker 3: is something that I wouldn't do as an organization.
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: Would you do that as Giannis?
[1:21:16] Speaker 3: If I'm Milwaukee, I'm trying to get him in the West,
[1:21:20] Speaker 3: get him out of the East, so I'm going to
[1:21:21] Speaker 3: have to deal with him four times a year. If
[1:21:24] Speaker 3: I'm them, I'm trying to treat it as that. But
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: we'll see, man. There's some very interesting destinations. It just
[1:21:33] Speaker 3: depends on how soon Milwaukee is trying to revamp, right?
[1:21:38] Speaker 3: If they're trying to wait it out and wait a
[1:21:39] Speaker 3: few years, then you do it through the draft and
[1:21:41] Speaker 3: you trade them somewhere that got draft capital. If you're
[1:21:43] Speaker 3: trying to become more relevant sooner, then you trade them
[1:21:47] Speaker 3: for some ready-made players that can plug and play for
[1:21:49] Speaker 3: Taylor Jenkins because we know he's a hell of a
[1:21:50] Speaker 3: coach and the things that he did in Memphis. And
[1:21:54] Speaker 3: I think he is a coach that demands... certain aspects
[1:21:58] Speaker 3: of basketball from the way that his Memphis teams competed.
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: So we'll see. I mean, the Bucs have made it
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: clear what they want. Yeah. What you're going to get. Exactly.
[1:22:08] Speaker 3: They don't always align.
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: A young blue chip talent, some draft capital. Oh, that
[1:22:14] Speaker 1: sounds great.
[1:22:14] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: But.
[1:22:17] Speaker 3: What's the market telling you? Yeah, that's the issue, right?
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: But we'll see, man.
[1:22:21] Speaker 1: Shot, I see you rocking the Bucs jersey. Mm-hmm. Ray Allen,
[1:22:25] Speaker 1: not Giannis. Don't be confused, ladies and gentlemen. You got
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: to have O's. O's and O's. You got to have both.
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: You got no O's and no O's.
[1:22:33] Speaker 5: I don't know what you're doing. Kind of disappointed, man.
[1:22:37] Speaker 5: Like I said, I always wanted Giannis to stay put.
[1:22:39] Speaker 5: Because I don't want to hear his ass complaining about
[1:22:42] Speaker 5: not getting enough praise after he's went to the other
[1:22:44] Speaker 5: side of the grass and he just finds out it's
[1:22:46] Speaker 5: not as green and finds out maybe I could have
[1:22:50] Speaker 5: did better staying in my own kingdom and my own throne.
[1:22:53] Speaker 5: But now you make a decision to go somewhere else,
[1:22:55] Speaker 5: and you got to deal with the criticism and the
[1:22:57] Speaker 5: scrutiny of that.
[1:22:59] Speaker 1: So, you know. Ring chasing. Hey, it's not him. He
[1:23:03] Speaker 1: already got one. He's not ring chasing. He's trying to
[1:23:06] Speaker 1: get another one. But it's not him, though. It's not him.
[1:23:09] Speaker 1: From everything that we've heard, it's not him. They're forcing it.
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: They're trying to make it seem like it's him.
[1:23:14] Speaker 3: One of the longest hanging players. But he's the only player.
[1:23:16] Speaker 3: He came out and said he wanted to play.
[1:23:17] Speaker 1: He can say, I don't want to go anywhere. Yeah.
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: Which he has not said. He has the ability to
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: sign an extension in October. I am not going. Matter
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: of fact, I am not going anywhere. Well, that's not
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: up to him, though. I can say it. You can
[1:23:31] Speaker 1: say it, but ultimately it ain't up to him.
[1:23:33] Speaker 5: You can say whatever you want to. Backlash from trading
[1:23:37] Speaker 5: me after I tell you I don't want to go.
[1:23:39] Speaker 5: And yes, it's up to you guys to.
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: Now deal with the crisis. Oh, they're already dealing with it.
[1:23:43] Speaker 5: So the fact that you've asked to leave, though, you
[1:23:47] Speaker 5: demanded to trade.
[1:23:48] Speaker 1: But that's been the thing he hasn't said through his representatives.
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: All right. Giannis hasn't really said that.
[1:23:54] Speaker 5: You're going to deal with what KD dealt with. You're
[1:23:56] Speaker 5: going to deal with what Brian dealt with. Every superstar
[1:23:59] Speaker 5: who decided to move on from their team that we
[1:24:02] Speaker 5: unrightfully given them criticism for making the decision they want
[1:24:05] Speaker 5: to make for their family or whatever, you're going to get.
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: The same shit. For sure.
[1:24:10] Speaker 5: It doesn't skip guys just because. Especially if you don't
[1:24:13] Speaker 5: win right away. You got to win.
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: What is the criticism?
[1:24:15] Speaker 6: That the Bucks don't have a championship team that we
[1:24:17] Speaker 6: can compete for a championship?
[1:24:18] Speaker 1: But the thing about this situation that's different, Rashad? Like,
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: that's the.
[1:24:21] Speaker 3: The other dudes that left, they didn't have a championship
[1:24:24] Speaker 3: with that organization.
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: So you shouldn't... So that's the difference, right? No, it
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: ain't up to him. It is. No, it's not.
[1:24:31] Speaker 6: I can say whatever I want. If the company's like,
[1:24:34] Speaker 6: we're moving on, we're moving on.
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: But they didn't say that because you didn't say that.
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: In this situation... Listen, and it ain't a done deal yet. Listen,
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: they could... There could be no suitors and him and
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: Taylor Jenkins can come in this motherfucker and be like, listen,
[1:24:45] Speaker 1: we're going to make this thing work. That could very
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: well much happen as well. Did not consult Giannis on
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: the Taylor Jenkins hire.
[1:24:51] Speaker 3: But it's a good hire, though. It ain't like it's
[1:24:53] Speaker 3: a bad coach. It's a good hire.
[1:24:55] Speaker 5: We're not listening to Giannis pick a coach anyway.
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: You pick Doc to come in here. No, he didn't
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: pick him either. Definitely. No. Let's go with him. Let's
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: get these guys.
[1:25:05] Speaker 3: Let's do this. He probably didn't like Adrian Griffin. He
[1:25:07] Speaker 3: didn't go out there and be like, yo, give me him.
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't pay money on that one.
[1:25:14] Speaker 3: But no, I just think he has a championship there, man.
[1:25:21] Speaker 3: The way he approaches the game, man, the way how
[1:25:23] Speaker 3: he plays, you're going to get backlash no matter what.
[1:25:29] Speaker 3: If this goes left, which we see it about to go,
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: You're going to get backlash no matter what. Unless you
[1:25:35] Speaker 3: get somebody who is a, you go out and you
[1:25:39] Speaker 3: trade and you get one of these dogs in his
[1:25:40] Speaker 3: draft and to make people forget about it, you're going
[1:25:43] Speaker 3: to get backlash no matter what. I'm saying B spends
[1:25:45] Speaker 3: more time there than anybody. I mean, he did everything
[1:25:50] Speaker 3: he's supposed to do.
[1:25:51] Speaker 6: I mean, 50 years. They've been waiting for a ring
[1:25:53] Speaker 6: for 50 years. Two-time MVP. They said the kid would
[1:25:56] Speaker 6: never be an MVP. He proved them wrong. He won
[1:25:59] Speaker 6: a ring. Like, I mean, what else?
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: Yes, they put it. You don't need to go get
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: on the treadmill and run away. You don't need to
[1:26:07] Speaker 1: run away. Where you going? I don't think you're running.
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: Where did you run it from? Exactly.
[1:26:11] Speaker 5: So sit your ass down and let us build a
[1:26:13] Speaker 5: team around you.
[1:26:14] Speaker 1: But what is he running from? They didn't try to
[1:26:16] Speaker 1: do that. They didn't build the team around him. They won.
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: So now let's keep going. What if that's not the
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: direction that they want to go, Rashad? The winning direction?
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: They already won a championship. What if they don't want
[1:26:25] Speaker 1: to go the Giannis direction anymore? Well, then they don't
[1:26:28] Speaker 1: want to be. That ain't on him, though. That's not
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: on him. He's the one initiating that he don't. No,
[1:26:32] Speaker 1: he know. Yes, he has. He want to play. He
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: want to play somewhere else. No, he said he wanted
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: to play last year for the Milwaukee Bucks, and they
[1:26:38] Speaker 1: told him no. He came back. He could have left
[1:26:41] Speaker 1: last year. He came back. Did he not come out
[1:26:43] Speaker 1: at the end of the year? Was it 20-something games?
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: Whatever it was. He still came back. I want to play.
[1:26:46] Speaker 1: He still came back. He came back and played. No.
[1:26:49] Speaker 1: I want to play. Right? They shut him down. Oh,
[1:26:52] Speaker 1: he came back and played, bro. They were under investigation.
[1:26:56] Speaker 5: No, AK, you got the timeline messed up, man. He
[1:26:59] Speaker 5: came back and played. Could you please tell this, man?
[1:27:03] Speaker 3: Was the Milwaukee Bucks not under investigation for the way
[1:27:07] Speaker 3: they handled the Giannis situation, him not playing?
[1:27:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, Giannis said he wanted to come back. And what happened?
[1:27:11] Speaker 1: Bucks said that he didn't fulfill the protocol. I think
[1:27:13] Speaker 1: the league investigated it. What timeline do I have wrong?
[1:27:18] Speaker 1: Because he came back and played.
[1:27:21] Speaker 3: What timeline do I have wrong?
[1:27:23] Speaker 1: He didn't shut it down. He came back and played
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: in games, bro. Did I say he didn't? Yes, you
[1:27:28] Speaker 1: just said he shut it down. They shut him down
[1:27:31] Speaker 1: for a period of time? They shut him down. Then
[1:27:33] Speaker 1: he came back and played.
[1:27:35] Speaker 5: He came back and played.
[1:27:37] Speaker 3: He hyperextended back in March. And did he come, did
[1:27:40] Speaker 3: he play after that? But did he say he was
[1:27:42] Speaker 3: trying to come back then?
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: After the hyperextension.
[1:27:45] Speaker 3: He came back and played, bro. He didn't play again
[1:27:48] Speaker 3: after the hyperextension. He did not play again, I believe.
[1:27:50] Speaker 1: He did not play after the hyperextension. I'm talking about
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: after the hyperextension. No, no, the investigation after the hyperextension.
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: What are you talking about? That's not how it went.
[1:28:01] Speaker 3: Josiah, can you please get this man the timeline? He
[1:28:03] Speaker 3: played his last game March 17th.
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: Yes. He wanted to come back and play at some
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: point for that season. They wouldn't let him. I was
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: actually out there. He was trying to come back after that. Rashad,
[1:28:13] Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
[1:28:14] Speaker 5: What was his injury before that where he said he
[1:28:17] Speaker 5: was healthy to play and they would not let him play?
[1:28:20] Speaker 1: This injury. That was that injury. Okay, that's the injury.
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: Are you saying that he hyperextended his back? His knee.
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: His knee. I've never heard of a hyperextended back. So
[1:28:30] Speaker 1: he hyperextended his knee. He hyperextended his knee. Are we
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: nitpicking words? The team sat him down. Are we nitpicking words?
[1:28:40] Speaker 1: shut him down.
[1:28:40] Speaker 3: He said he wanted to play the league investigator.
[1:28:43] Speaker 1: So was his knee hyperextended? He did. He had an injury.
[1:28:47] Speaker 1: He said he wanted to come back.
[1:28:48] Speaker 3: He said he was healthy enough to play.
[1:28:49] Speaker 1: The team said no. He wanted to play. Team said no.
[1:28:55] Speaker 1: League investigates.
[1:28:56] Speaker 2: Because he was.
[1:28:57] Speaker 1: Not medically cleared. They said he didn't fulfill the entire protocol.
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: So what time did he come back and play? No.
[1:29:03] Speaker 1: He played his last game. He did not play the
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: rest of the season, Rashad. Season ended in April. He
[1:29:09] Speaker 1: played his last game on March 15th. He did not play.
[1:29:12] Speaker 3: The season is over in April. He did not play
[1:29:15] Speaker 3: after he got hurt. He wanted to play, come back.
[1:29:17] Speaker 3: He said he was tough enough to finish the season.
[1:29:20] Speaker 1: March 15th. He was trying to finish the season. He
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: also missed games from January 27th, I think through obviously
[1:29:25] Speaker 1: All-Star break, came back beginning of March. Came back after All-Star.
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: And got a hyperextended knee. Played six games. Played six
[1:29:32] Speaker 1: games after that.
[1:29:33] Speaker 2: And didn't play no more after that.
[1:29:34] Speaker 1: After All-Star break, he played six games and got hurt. Right.
[1:29:40] Speaker 3: And the team said no. He said, yes, league investigate.
[1:29:45] Speaker 2: And the Bucs won that because he was not cleared
[1:29:46] Speaker 2: to play.
[1:29:49] Speaker 1: So you want to alter facts. So he was literally
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: injured then.
[1:29:57] Speaker 5: He was injured. He said, I want to come back
[1:30:00] Speaker 5: and play. I want to play with my brother.
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: He wanted to play.
[1:30:02] Speaker 2: The Bucs said, you're not cleared to play.
[1:30:04] Speaker 1: He wants to play.
[1:30:05] Speaker 2: The Bucs said no. So he's not cleared to play
[1:30:08] Speaker 2: from the Bucs standpoint.
[1:30:09] Speaker 1: And when was that that they said? After March 15th, Rashad.
[1:30:12] Speaker 1: He didn't finish the season. I know that. You just
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: know you don't know that. He came back and played
[1:30:18] Speaker 1: six games. After All-Star break. After All-Star. I just said that.
[1:30:22] Speaker 1: Before the hyperextended knee. So before that point. God damn.
[1:30:27] Speaker 1: So March 15th, Bucs were still in playoff contention at
[1:30:29] Speaker 1: that point. In January. In March when he came back.
[1:30:32] Speaker 5: No, in January when you said he didn't play.
[1:30:34] Speaker 1: Was he hurt in January? No, he just decided not
[1:30:37] Speaker 1: to play. I think Catherine, I forget what it was.
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: He was healthy. He just didn't want to play.
[1:30:40] Speaker 5: Then he came back and played six games.
[1:30:43] Speaker 1: Came back, played six of the next nine games. Suffered
[1:30:46] Speaker 1: that injury against the Pacers on March 15th. Which was
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: the knee extension. Hyper extension. So Bucs were still in
[1:30:53] Speaker 1: playoff contention at that point. He said he wanted to
[1:30:55] Speaker 1: try to come back to make a playoff push. And
[1:30:57] Speaker 1: the team said no. This is when Cam Thomas was
[1:30:59] Speaker 1: still there, correct?
[1:31:01] Speaker 2: All I know is he didn't play after that statement.
[1:31:04] Speaker 3: So what timeline are you trying to... that you want
[1:31:07] Speaker 3: to be right about?
[1:31:08] Speaker 1: I feel like he played. Nigga, it... He didn't fucking play.
[1:31:14] Speaker 1: It's Stone's record he did not fucking play. But why
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: the theatrics though? Because it ain't my words, nigga. These
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: are facts. You just want to have something to stand
[1:31:25] Speaker 1: on you. No, don't fucking troll. These are facts here.
[1:31:27] Speaker 1: This is fucking facts here. Because this shit is old.
[1:31:29] Speaker 1: This shit is old, Richard. Because he's doing it, it's old.
[1:31:35] Speaker 1: But you're reacting. It's old. If it's old, why you
[1:31:38] Speaker 1: reacting like that? It's why you keep talking. It's old.
[1:31:41] Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to make sure it's right. Trying to
[1:31:45] Speaker 1: give you facts. But you don't got to be emotional
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: about it. We are right because it's facts. He's reading it.
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: I'm trying to give you props for being right. No,
[1:31:52] Speaker 1: you're not, nigga.
[1:31:53] Speaker 5: This is my way of giving you props. I don't
[1:31:55] Speaker 5: want that weight. But you're going to get it this way.
[1:31:58] Speaker 5: You're going to get it the way I give it
[1:31:59] Speaker 5: to you. You're going to get it the way I give.
[1:32:02] Speaker 1: It to you. I'm giving you props. You're going to
[1:32:04] Speaker 1: take it or not.
[1:32:04] Speaker 3: The nigga want to argue facts that this man is
[1:32:06] Speaker 3: reading off the fucking timeline.
[1:32:08] Speaker 1: That shit is fucking exhausting. Man, so stop engaging in it. Nigga,
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: stop doing it. I ain't going to stop doing it. Shit,
[1:32:15] Speaker 1: it's exhausting. You got to prove it. He was, nigga.
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: You wouldn't let it.
[1:32:19] Speaker 5: He did.
[1:32:20] Speaker 1: I did let him. No, you didn't.
[1:32:21] Speaker 3: You just want to keep asking the same dumb ass questions.
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: Because I know you get triggered. You get triggered from it.
[1:32:28] Speaker 1: You get triggered so fast. You just want to be
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: in this bitch talking just to fucking talk. Okay, every
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: time I miss a word, I'm going to correct it. Mr. Wordsmith. Mr. Wordsmith. No,
[1:32:38] Speaker 1: just know what you're talking about. Okay, now. Know what
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: you're talking about. All right, Mr. Wordsmith. I'm going to
[1:32:44] Speaker 1: get you on the words.
[1:32:44] Speaker 5: If you want to troll, make sure you get all
[1:32:47] Speaker 5: the words right now.
[1:32:48] Speaker 1: Like, if you want to troll, know what you're talking about.
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: We're going to get the words. I know there's no
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: such thing as a hypersensitive back. It is for me, right?
[1:32:54] Speaker 1: That wasn't a mistake. That wasn't a mistake. You weren't trolling, nigga.
[1:32:57] Speaker 1: So I think it's the Iverson in the back. No,
[1:33:00] Speaker 1: there's no such thing. So why would I be trolling
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: you about that? Because you were dead wrong. You just
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: want to be talking. Because I'm dumb. You just want
[1:33:06] Speaker 1: to be talking. Because I'm dumb. You just want to
[1:33:08] Speaker 1: be talking all the time. Because I'm dumb. That shit
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: is exhausting. Can we get back to that? We're here
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: to talk. No, we're here to talk. No, we're here
[1:33:13] Speaker 1: to make sense, man. I'm the delusional nigga that don't
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: make sense. That's why I'm on the show for it, Skip.
[1:33:20] Speaker 1: He making my job hard because he don't want to
[1:33:22] Speaker 1: deal with it. I've been doing this for four years,
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: taking stupid shit on the couch, making people mad, and
[1:33:29] Speaker 1: now they don't want to do it no more. I
[1:33:31] Speaker 1: never have. That's crazy. I never have. I don't want
[1:33:33] Speaker 1: to come here and talk sports. I don't want to
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: come and argue with you and deal with dumb shit.
[1:33:36] Speaker 1: Not at all. Never.
[1:33:37] Speaker 3: Skip, I see you over here waiting patiently. Since you
[1:33:40] Speaker 3: always say, let's talk hoop, I'll come here to talk hoop.
[1:33:42] Speaker 3: I don't come here to deal with delusional dumb shit.
[1:33:45] Speaker 1: I don't.
[1:33:47] Speaker 3: Like, that's what you want to come to work for.
[1:33:49] Speaker 1: So you Mr. Logical Man. Yeah, I'm very logical. Absolutely.
[1:33:53] Speaker 1: Fucking very logical. Mr. Logical Man. Yes, if that's what
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: you want to call it, I'm very logical. Black and white.
[1:34:00] Speaker 1: No gray area. I don't come here to make up
[1:34:02] Speaker 1: shit just to fucking clickbait, troll people. Not at all.
[1:34:05] Speaker 3: I come here to do the job that I'm hired
[1:34:06] Speaker 3: to fucking do, and that's talk sports. I don't come
[1:34:09] Speaker 3: here to do all that dumb shit, dawg. I come
[1:34:11] Speaker 3: here just to fucking argue with people just because you
[1:34:14] Speaker 3: want to go against the grain all the goddamn time.
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: That shit is exhausted. You don't have to agree with me.
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: You make your point to Rashad.
[1:34:22] Speaker 5: So allow me to make my point about you getting triggered.
[1:34:25] Speaker 1: You don't want to put your feelings in your pocket.
[1:34:28] Speaker 3: You're always trying to argue a fact. This man is
[1:34:31] Speaker 3: trying to read you the timeline of something that these
[1:34:34] Speaker 3: are facts here.
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: But why are you getting triggered? Because you do it
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: all the time, dog. So why is you not used
[1:34:40] Speaker 1: to it already? It's exhausting. It's fucking exhausting to come
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: in here and deal with it. You want some Gatorade, man? No,
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: I want you to fucking grow up. That's what I want.
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: You want a Red Bull? I want you to grow up. Man,
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: I don't do it the way... That's what I want.
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: I don't do this shit the way you do it.
[1:34:55] Speaker 1: You do... I do it the way I do it.
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: That is obvious. Yes, so let me be me. It's exhausting.
[1:35:00] Speaker 1: Let me be me. It's exhausting. Damn!
[1:35:03] Speaker 5: It's the exhaust damn you got to keep up in
[1:35:06] Speaker 5: America Marathon.
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: In my fucking pace so keep up long as I
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: cross the finish line You can run that motherfuckers how
[1:35:15] Speaker 1: you deem.
[1:35:15] Speaker 3: Fit Cardio don't get it close. I'll cross the finish line.
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how I do it. I've considered we
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: ran the marathon It doesn't matter how we finish.
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: It consider running. Hey, but nothing more than that. It's
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: exhausting This is all new information to me. I thought
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: this was just what we do. It can't be new
[1:35:34] Speaker 1: information to you. Damn. It can't be. Skip, I see
[1:35:37] Speaker 1: you over here waiting patiently, notes in hand.
[1:35:38] Speaker 4: So I just got to ask Kenyon. I'm new to this,
[1:35:43] Speaker 4: but as annoying as he can be, I still get
[1:35:48] Speaker 4: the feeling that you do love working with him.
[1:35:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:35:51] Speaker 4: Isn't that true?
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Okay. We're having a breakthrough. But it's exhausting.
[1:35:56] Speaker 1: I know it's exhausting.
[1:35:57] Speaker 3: Because it ain't always including me. Because it ain't always
[1:35:59] Speaker 3: including me, Skip.
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, right?
[1:36:01] Speaker 4: I got it.
[1:36:02] Speaker 1: It ain't always been here. Me and him, we understand.
[1:36:06] Speaker 3: We've spent time away from here.
[1:36:08] Speaker 4: I sense that.
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: Me and him, right?
[1:36:10] Speaker 3: In his home, we've spent time together, right?
[1:36:14] Speaker 4: Before the show, I saw you talking to him, and
[1:36:17] Speaker 4: it seemed like it.
[1:36:17] Speaker 1: Was really nice. We are. We are here. But we
[1:36:22] Speaker 1: are here, Skip. I'm a big character right now. This
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: is not who I am. See, the thing is about
[1:36:26] Speaker 1: what I don't change or deviate.
[1:36:29] Speaker 4: That's my thing, you know what I'm saying?
[1:36:31] Speaker 1: I stand on the line. I'm not going... Not who
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: I am, right? Like I said, it ain't just been me.
[1:36:39] Speaker 1: Like with him and Gil, right? You wasn't here. They
[1:36:43] Speaker 1: used to be on the group text, right? Him and Gil.
[1:36:49] Speaker 3: Go do this shit back and forth. And I told him,
[1:36:52] Speaker 3: y'all need a show called arguments. I told them in
[1:36:57] Speaker 3: the group text, they wondered if there was something we'll
[1:36:58] Speaker 3: talk about. Like, no, y'all gonna get this shit out
[1:37:00] Speaker 3: the way now because we are tired of hearing and
[1:37:03] Speaker 3: dealing with it.
[1:37:04] Speaker 1: Very distracting to get those alerts, Skip.
[1:37:05] Speaker 3: It's fucking, they waking up at 4.30, 5 o'clock in
[1:37:08] Speaker 3: the morning just to.
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: Troll one another. Not me. You see, he's triggered. He's
[1:37:11] Speaker 1: triggered right now. That's triggered. That's my energy. Just to
[1:37:15] Speaker 1: troll one another, right? Gilbert does not want to argue.
[1:37:18] Speaker 1: He literally quit the group chat and he stopped showing
[1:37:21] Speaker 1: up to work and he didn't want to argue with me.
[1:37:22] Speaker 3: So when I say it's exhausting, Skip, when I say
[1:37:25] Speaker 3: it's exhausting, I ain't just speaking for Kenya.
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: I'm not.
[1:37:29] Speaker 3: Because other people, trust me, if they would speak their
[1:37:34] Speaker 3: mind more, but we're going to do this, right?
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: We're going to do this. I'm going to be the
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: most hated podcaster out.
[1:37:43] Speaker 3: And it doesn't bother you a bit.
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: Does it bother me? No, it doesn't a bit. I
[1:37:48] Speaker 1: sent it to him. When I saw it, I got
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: a kick out of it. I sent it to him.
[1:37:55] Speaker 1: So no, I don't have a problem the way he
[1:37:57] Speaker 1: do his job. You can't shy away from it, Skip.
[1:38:00] Speaker 1: You're not scared. Just like you're not scared.
[1:38:02] Speaker 3: He can do it, but he just needs to know
[1:38:03] Speaker 3: at times it's unnecessary.
[1:38:08] Speaker 1: I'm not scared.
[1:38:09] Speaker 3: Sometimes when there's a fact trying to be made and
[1:38:12] Speaker 3: there's a fact, it ain't my opinion, it ain't things
[1:38:15] Speaker 3: that I came up with. When he's trying to argue
[1:38:17] Speaker 3: the timeline on when Giannis came back, stop.
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: Stop. Because you're doing it on purpose. And I know that.
[1:38:25] Speaker 1: So this is the... I know this. He got his
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: feelings out of his pocket. No, I'm telling you.
[1:38:30] Speaker 4: Trying to trigger him. Am I right?
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: I know how to trigger him. I know how to
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: trigger Gil. I know how to trigger Brandon. I know
[1:38:37] Speaker 1: how to trigger Josiah. Trigger me. Direct deposit don't show up.
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: That's my only trigger.
[1:38:46] Speaker 5: Only one that matters.
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: That's the whole reason. That's the only one that matters.
[1:38:51] Speaker 1: You got to be good at what you do, man. Yeah.
[1:38:54] Speaker 1: All right.
[1:38:55] Speaker 4: Do we want to sum up Giannis at this point?
[1:38:59] Speaker 1: You have to. Please, Skip.
[1:39:01] Speaker 4: So let's go back to the premise that Pat Riley
[1:39:07] Speaker 4: has been saying since 2014 when LeBron walked out the door.
[1:39:13] Speaker 4: I'm going to go get a superstar. And he still
[1:39:15] Speaker 4: hasn't accomplished that, right? And so here he is desperately
[1:39:23] Speaker 4: reaching for Giannis. And this is just me. I do
[1:39:27] Speaker 4: respect Giannis, but you made the point. He did what
[1:39:30] Speaker 4: he was supposed to do for your franchise. He won
[1:39:35] Speaker 4: two MVPs. And in 2021, you broke through and did
[1:39:39] Speaker 4: something you hadn't done since, what, Kareem and Oscar, right?
[1:39:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:39:43] Speaker 4: Okay, so you did the Knicks thing. You broke through
[1:39:46] Speaker 4: like the Knicks want to break through. And so he
[1:39:49] Speaker 4: did that. And now maybe it's time for him to
[1:39:52] Speaker 4: move along because he's going on 32 years of age.
[1:39:57] Speaker 4: This will be his 14th season. And I've got to
[1:40:02] Speaker 4: tell you, I look hard at what he's done for
[1:40:05] Speaker 4: five years, and not one time in five years has
[1:40:08] Speaker 4: he played 70 or more games. Just one time in
[1:40:11] Speaker 4: five years. Because it's always something, and I get what
[1:40:14] Speaker 4: you said. They said no to him. I think they
[1:40:17] Speaker 4: just were done with it. He wanted to play with
[1:40:20] Speaker 4: his two brothers down the stretch. they're tanking, and they
[1:40:23] Speaker 4: just said, no, you know, we've had enough of this.
[1:40:27] Speaker 4: So he does have a, he's got one more year
[1:40:30] Speaker 4: on his deal, and then he's got a 62.8 player
[1:40:32] Speaker 4: option in two years. It's a player option. So it's
[1:40:36] Speaker 4: a big chunk of change that somebody's going to owe him.
[1:40:39] Speaker 4: And Pat Riley is saying, just come down here and,
[1:40:43] Speaker 4: what would you call it, it's.
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: Not my words, but a prison with an ocean view.
[1:40:49] Speaker 1: It's been referred to. It's been written. For sure. Check
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: the tape. He's a narrative starter. He sat over there
[1:40:55] Speaker 1: and fucking looked it up. He's a meme fucking library.
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: He got a meme library. He got a whole bunch
[1:41:00] Speaker 1: of shit he says, Skip. Don't believe him.
[1:41:03] Speaker 4: Where exactly are the Heat going to go? And I
[1:41:06] Speaker 4: honestly said I do want to stay in the East.
[1:41:08] Speaker 4: Don't blame him for that. Don't want to mess with
[1:41:10] Speaker 4: the West. But if you do trade... Tyler Hero and
[1:41:16] Speaker 4: Kal-El Ware, it's like Giannis and Bam and I don't
[1:41:22] Speaker 4: know if Andrew Wiggins, he's got a player option. Norman Powell,
[1:41:25] Speaker 4: Davion Mitchell. I don't know if I see a whole
[1:41:28] Speaker 4: lot there.
[1:41:29] Speaker 1: Norman Powell's a free agent.
[1:41:30] Speaker 4: Huh?
[1:41:31] Speaker 1: Norman Powell's a free agent. Okay.
[1:41:32] Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what's going to be left exactly
[1:41:36] Speaker 4: if Giannis goes down there.
[1:41:38] Speaker 1: Is it?
[1:41:39] Speaker 4: Is it somewhat of a semi-retirement gig for him? Does
[1:41:43] Speaker 4: he have the fire and desire that he used to have?
[1:41:46] Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not sure about that. But he
[1:41:51] Speaker 4: got his ring, as you said. You know, he did that.
[1:41:54] Speaker 4: And I just, I'm not sure. He's had one thing,
[1:41:59] Speaker 4: he's had Achilles and calf, and I just, is he
[1:42:05] Speaker 4: going to be on fire to go take Miami back
[1:42:07] Speaker 4: to the promised land?
[1:42:08] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:42:10] Speaker 4: I don't know. You think so?
[1:42:12] Speaker 3: His injuries, right, Skip, is how he plays the game, right?
[1:42:16] Speaker 3: He's downhill, hard, aggressive basketball player, right?
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:42:21] Speaker 3: Over the last five years, he hasn't played over the
[1:42:23] Speaker 3: 70 games, but his numbers haven't dipped, right?
[1:42:26] Speaker 4: No, when he plays, the numbers.
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: He's him. We know that.
[1:42:32] Speaker 3: And I think no matter where he ends up, he
[1:42:35] Speaker 3: is going to show up and be that because that's
[1:42:37] Speaker 3: who his DNA is.
[1:42:38] Speaker 1: That's who he is as a person.
[1:42:40] Speaker 3: Until he can't do it anymore, he is going to
[1:42:42] Speaker 3: play hard as that could possibly be.
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: That's the way he was raised. That's the way his
[1:42:46] Speaker 1: folks raised him. That's his background.
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: That's his DNA on who he is as a human being,
[1:42:52] Speaker 3: as a basketball player. So a team will benefit from that.
[1:42:57] Speaker 3: Just putting the right pieces around him, I think, is
[1:42:59] Speaker 3: the key. Miami, do you hem and bam together?
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:43:05] Speaker 3: I would like to see him, because him and Khalil
[1:43:07] Speaker 3: Ware more than him and Bam. That's me. I think
[1:43:10] Speaker 3: Khalil Ware shoots the ball from the perimeter. I saw
[1:43:12] Speaker 3: him in the gym. He's here at Proactive working on
[1:43:16] Speaker 3: his perimeter game. I saw him hold two eyes, shoot
[1:43:20] Speaker 3: the ball well from the perimeter. So he spreads the
[1:43:22] Speaker 3: floor in that regard, the new five of the NBA,
[1:43:25] Speaker 3: because we know the way Giannis plays downhill.
[1:43:29] Speaker 4: Is he seven feet tall?
[1:43:30] Speaker 1: I think he is.
[1:43:31] Speaker 3: Absolutely is. Might be 7'1, like tall human beings. But
[1:43:35] Speaker 3: I like his athleticism. I like that defensively for them.
[1:43:38] Speaker 4: That's an interesting point.
[1:43:40] Speaker 1: I like that.
[1:43:41] Speaker 3: I like Wiggins coming back. You know what he's going
[1:43:43] Speaker 3: to give on the perimeter.
[1:43:44] Speaker 1: A veteran. I ain't saying he got to start it.
[1:43:46] Speaker 1: I think he's good coming off the bench. You know
[1:43:48] Speaker 1: where he's going to go.
[1:43:48] Speaker 3: He's going to give you 10 to 15, some nights
[1:43:50] Speaker 3: a little more.
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: I'm with that. Harrison Barnes.
[1:43:54] Speaker 3: That type of a player not going to hurt you, right?
[1:43:56] Speaker 3: Good locker room dude.
[1:43:57] Speaker 1: You got a couple young guys.
[1:43:58] Speaker 3: I know you probably have to give up Jaime Highcase.
[1:44:01] Speaker 1: You probably have to give up.
[1:44:02] Speaker 3: Him because of what he brings for the future, a
[1:44:04] Speaker 3: few other young guys that you have. But then it's
[1:44:06] Speaker 3: on Pat to do his job, if that is the
[1:44:08] Speaker 3: situation down there. But no matter where he lands, I
[1:44:13] Speaker 3: think it's going to be him. And his injuries are
[1:44:17] Speaker 3: how he plays. If you get a different voice in
[1:44:25] Speaker 3: his ear on how to be effective, I think, can help.
[1:44:29] Speaker 3: him getting in the lab, we spoke on his couch before,
[1:44:31] Speaker 3: him getting in the lab and tweaking his game, right?
[1:44:35] Speaker 3: Instead of 35 fast breaks a game, you cut that
[1:44:39] Speaker 3: down to 20. The other 15 possessions, you're in the
[1:44:42] Speaker 3: half court and you're in the post in different areas
[1:44:45] Speaker 3: of what I think could be.
[1:44:47] Speaker 3: Not prevent those injuries, but make it less. Because he
[1:44:51] Speaker 3: bumped me how many times he's run down and he
[1:44:53] Speaker 3: bumped me.
[1:44:53] Speaker 1: He does.
[1:44:54] Speaker 3: Now he missed seven games here. Now you go down
[1:44:56] Speaker 3: and you roll your ankle, you step, you're trying to
[1:44:58] Speaker 3: go spin, you roll. I think if you eliminate some
[1:45:01] Speaker 3: of those possessions, he plays more games.
[1:45:04] Speaker 1: Because his injuries have been downhill.
[1:45:06] Speaker 3: A lot of it is, if you look at it
[1:45:08] Speaker 3: after the fact, he comes up limping after he tried
[1:45:11] Speaker 3: to Euro somebody and it's.
[1:45:13] Speaker 1: That, right?
[1:45:14] Speaker 3: So I think a different message on how to get
[1:45:16] Speaker 3: him effective is I think it will be helpful. But
[1:45:21] Speaker 3: no matter where he lands, I feel it's going to
[1:45:23] Speaker 3: be a plus for him and the organization because how
[1:45:27] Speaker 3: he plays. I think it's infectious. I think it will
[1:45:30] Speaker 3: resonate throughout the locker room and guys will buy into
[1:45:34] Speaker 3: that because if you see him going that hard daily
[1:45:37] Speaker 3: and that engaged and that willing to sacrifice certain things
[1:45:41] Speaker 3: in order to win, I think the rest of the
[1:45:43] Speaker 3: guys have to buy in. With the right coaching staff
[1:45:45] Speaker 3: and the right organization behind it.
[1:45:47] Speaker 4: Reportedly, he's still somewhat interested in the Celtics. So would
[1:45:51] Speaker 4: it be, I don't know, is it Jalen Brown straight up?
[1:45:55] Speaker 2: It'd be Jalen Brown or something else.
[1:45:56] Speaker 6: But, I mean, I don't know if I'm going to
[1:45:57] Speaker 6: get rid of the two J's.
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: As much as everybody wants.
[1:46:00] Speaker 6: To separate Jason Taylor and Jalen Brown, I just don't
[1:46:06] Speaker 6: see it. I don't think they have what the Bucs
[1:46:08] Speaker 6: would want back. Also, like, you got to think about
[1:46:11] Speaker 6: what the Bucs want back.
[1:46:12] Speaker 3: It just depends on what they're trying to do for
[1:46:13] Speaker 3: the future. Like, it just depends on if you're trying
[1:46:15] Speaker 3: to compete now.
[1:46:16] Speaker 6: Well, if Giannis is leaving, I'm rebuilding. So, I mean,
[1:46:20] Speaker 6: Miles Turner can go, too. Like, at this point, like,
[1:46:22] Speaker 6: I'm throwing, no, I'm getting rid of all, I'm just, yeah,
[1:46:25] Speaker 6: let's rebuild it.
[1:46:26] Speaker 1: I hear you.
[1:46:26] Speaker 6: Like, I'm not going to even just tip or tat.
[1:46:28] Speaker 6: Let's go get Tyler Hero and, you know, he's from Milwaukee.
[1:46:32] Speaker 6: That's a cool hometown kid. Let's go get a couple
[1:46:34] Speaker 6: drafts and let's just see what happens. But when Giannis
[1:46:37] Speaker 6: is gone, I mean, come on. Like, we're... Like, we're
[1:46:40] Speaker 6: in the stage of rebuilding at this point. I mean,
[1:46:42] Speaker 6: Miles Turner, thank you for, you know, but.
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: For your year of service. Yeah. But, you know.
[1:46:46] Speaker 2: So, you know, he can go back to Indiana.
[1:46:48] Speaker 1: Indiana. Oh, they don't want him. He shitted on them. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.
[1:46:51] Speaker 1: He shitted on the organization when he left out the door. Oh,
[1:46:53] Speaker 1: he did? Oh, but, hey, he shitted on his team
[1:46:56] Speaker 1: out the way out the door. So, you burnt that bridge, brother.
[1:46:58] Speaker 1: I won't. I won't.
[1:47:00] Speaker 5: I won't ban man Tyler Harrell.
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: Or Giannis. I want them both.
[1:47:06] Speaker 5: We keep Khalil Ware. Keep Jaime Jaquez. Keep their young boy.
[1:47:11] Speaker 5: And we roll with that. And even if you got
[1:47:13] Speaker 5: to get– well, since you're going to get– I just
[1:47:14] Speaker 5: think the bread wouldn't match up.
[1:47:16] Speaker 1: It wouldn't? Steel's too low? Well, you got to– No, no.
[1:47:18] Speaker 1: Yon is– them two make more. Oh, yeah. So throw
[1:47:21] Speaker 1: in Miles Turner. Throw in Miles Turner. But you don't
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: need him. You got to clear the way. You keep
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: clear the way. You don't need Miles Turner. Well, you
[1:47:26] Speaker 1: need a backup. You need a backup center. That's a
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: nasty word.
[1:47:28] Speaker 2: And then he just– what is he saying? Something about
[1:47:31] Speaker 2: Yon's being late to the team?
[1:47:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, he don't want to be there. I'm not shipping
[1:47:34] Speaker 1: him with him. Trust me. You tell him this, I'm
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: shipping him. Nah, motherfucker. Y'all keep him. Y'all keep him. Bobby.
[1:47:40] Speaker 1: Bobby Portis. I like Bobby Portis. I like him and
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: Bobby going down there. I like Bobby Portis. Bobby, Giannis, Miami.
[1:47:51] Speaker 4: Josiah, has Laker Nation given up on the far-fetched notion
[1:47:55] Speaker 4: that you should land Giannis like he belongs.
[1:47:58] Speaker 1: In L.A.? Skip, as you know, Laker Nation never gives
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: up on anything. Every superstar is at our disposal. Do
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: they have... Do they have the resources available to make
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: that happen? No. Sign and trade? No. Papa de la Mon? Yeah.
[1:48:13] Speaker 3: But if they rebuild, then why do they need to
[1:48:16] Speaker 3: build around Austin Reeves?
[1:48:18] Speaker 1: And somebody else. Milwaukee build around Austin Reeves? I don't know.
[1:48:21] Speaker 1: Austin and DeAndre? Who? Eaton. But no, fuck no. The
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: Lakers will have bread, but I don't think they'll have
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: enough pizza. That'll work as far as the money, but.
[1:48:29] Speaker 2: I mean, should they get to Houston?
[1:48:30] Speaker 6: But, I mean, Houston has the access, but I don't
[1:48:33] Speaker 6: know if the trade's going to make.
[1:48:34] Speaker 5: It has to be a blockbuster trade. I don't see
[1:48:35] Speaker 5: it being no straight-up trade.
[1:48:37] Speaker 1: It can't be. Unless that Boston shit actually sounds pretty good.
[1:48:40] Speaker 3: Unless they get off Jimmy Butler, unless Golden State get
[1:48:43] Speaker 3: off the injured Jimmy Butler.
[1:48:45] Speaker 1: And if you're the Bucs ahead? Do you want injured
[1:48:47] Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler? He got one more year on the deal
[1:48:49] Speaker 1: or two? I think one more.
[1:48:50] Speaker 3: So do you take on that expiring contract?
[1:48:53] Speaker 6: I mean, if you go to Boston with Jalen Brown,
[1:48:57] Speaker 6: they got a chance.
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: Jalen Brown and Derek White?
[1:49:01] Speaker 6: If Giannis go to Boston, they got a chance.
[1:49:03] Speaker 5: Jalen Brown and Derek White? They ain't going to keep
[1:49:06] Speaker 5: both of them. You still got to get off one
[1:49:07] Speaker 5: of them J's.
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, Jalen Brown. Get off Jalen Brown and Derrick White.
[1:49:12] Speaker 2: Okay, and then what else are we throwing in?
[1:49:14] Speaker 5: Just them two. Jalen Brown, Derrick White for Giannis. Keeping
[1:49:20] Speaker 5: Peyton Pritchard.
[1:49:21] Speaker 1: A couple more questions on the Giannis. Jason Tatum.
[1:49:23] Speaker 2: They got the same trainer.
[1:49:25] Speaker 1: Boston going with that pick. Do they got a pick?
[1:49:29] Speaker 1: Bucs got a pick. But the Bucs have said they
[1:49:32] Speaker 1: want a young blue-chip talent, draft capital.
[1:49:34] Speaker 4: See?
[1:49:35] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We rebuilt. We're just going to
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: go through the rebuild. So according to reports, Giannis wants
[1:49:39] Speaker 1: to play. They're going to wait to get that pick
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: and then try to rebuild. They want to get it
[1:49:43] Speaker 1: before the draft, obviously. It's one of the loaded drafts
[1:49:45] Speaker 1: in recent memory. But according to reports, Giannis wants to
[1:49:47] Speaker 1: play for a historical franchise. I don't know how true
[1:49:49] Speaker 1: or false that may be. There's only a couple. When
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: you factor that into the equation. And there's also reports
[1:49:54] Speaker 1: that he wants to stay in the East.
[1:49:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Knicks.
[1:49:57] Speaker 1: So it's Knicks or Celtics, I would imagine, or Historia.
[1:49:59] Speaker 1: One of the two.
[1:50:00] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: I wouldn't do the Knicks.
[1:50:02] Speaker 6: I mean, because if I'm the Knicks, I mean, depending
[1:50:04] Speaker 6: on what happened, I mean.
[1:50:05] Speaker 1: Knicks lose.
[1:50:08] Speaker 5: They say we win with Giannis... That was going to
[1:50:11] Speaker 5: be my question for you guys. Should the Knicks try
[1:50:13] Speaker 5: to make a move for Giannis, whether they win or
[1:50:16] Speaker 5: lose the championship?
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: I think so. Giannis not having those zero points. I
[1:50:18] Speaker 1: think so. This will be the eighth straight season that
[1:50:20] Speaker 1: a new champ won the championship. You're a different dog
[1:50:22] Speaker 1: with him, man. Different. Like, you're a different animal with him.
[1:50:26] Speaker 1: We're afraid. We're afraid. You got to give up a lot.
[1:50:28] Speaker 1: I mean, because cap value just went up. Yeah, but
[1:50:30] Speaker 1: Cat and Giannis make a similar amount of bread. But
[1:50:32] Speaker 1: you got to figure out. Come off a championship, great trade.
[1:50:36] Speaker 6: You ain't going to get another, like, a shooter, a
[1:50:37] Speaker 6: guy that can create, that can score, like.
[1:50:40] Speaker 1: Giannis. I mean, no, Giannis is 30. That's 30 points.
[1:50:45] Speaker 1: He can create an end score. 30 points for sure.
[1:50:48] Speaker 1: He averaged more assists than all of them. He averaged
[1:50:50] Speaker 1: more assists than.
[1:50:50] Speaker 2: Okay, but if the Knicks win it, do you go
[1:50:53] Speaker 2: get them?
[1:50:53] Speaker 1: Yes. Steal. I don't know. I don't know either. I
[1:50:58] Speaker 1: don't know.
[1:50:59] Speaker 6: If the Knicks win, I don't know if I'm doing that.
[1:51:00] Speaker 6: Giannis is an upgrade, man. We have this conversation every season.
[1:51:03] Speaker 6: Should the squad run it back? We saw the Celtics
[1:51:05] Speaker 6: try to run it back. Couldn't win a chip.
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: I think Giannis is an upgrade. Couldn't win a chip. Yeah,
[1:51:09] Speaker 1: but you got Mitchell Robinson. Yeah, but you got Mitchell Robinson.
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: You got Jordan.
[1:51:13] Speaker 6: These are all going to be like free agents.
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: You can go get another creative score just to. Go
[1:51:20] Speaker 1: get another, I don't know. If I'm the Knicks, and
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: if I win the NBA championship this year, and I
[1:51:30] Speaker 1: have the chance to get 34, if I got a
[1:51:32] Speaker 1: chance to get 34, You got to. 27-11-7 a night?
[1:51:39] Speaker 1: That's solidifying next year. Huh? You're solidifying it. Brandon. You're
[1:51:42] Speaker 1: saying we're going to take it. Nobody's ever done that. 27-11-7.
[1:51:44] Speaker 1: Nobody's ever done that, though. Exactly. That's why it's important.
[1:51:46] Speaker 1: You never made a trade like that. And that's why
[1:51:49] Speaker 1: Josiah said teams always run it right back. And how
[1:51:52] Speaker 1: many teams repeat? They never run it. They never win it.
[1:51:54] Speaker 1: How many teams repeat? They never repeat. Because they never
[1:51:58] Speaker 1: change their roster.
[1:51:59] Speaker 3: They think they got enough for next year, but while
[1:52:01] Speaker 3: everybody's gunning for you, everybody's trying to get better, you
[1:52:06] Speaker 3: stay stagnant, you stay sane.
[1:52:08] Speaker 1: Yep. Scouting report still the same. You get the 30th
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: pick in a draft.
[1:52:12] Speaker 3: You might get a free agent, a veteran free agent
[1:52:15] Speaker 3: that don't really.
[1:52:15] Speaker 1: Solid.
[1:52:16] Speaker 3: But you're not going to go out. So this is my...
[1:52:18] Speaker 3: If you win it, I think Giannis is an upgrade.
[1:52:22] Speaker 1: For sure. Your chances of Going back to back increases.
[1:52:28] Speaker 1: Because he covers the board on all the attributes. Offense, defense.
[1:52:33] Speaker 4: More.
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: Yeah. Except for shooting the three. That's probably not. And
[1:52:36] Speaker 1: I live with that. But his availability. He still averaged
[1:52:39] Speaker 1: more than Cat. Yeah, because he got offensive rebound, defensive rebound,
[1:52:43] Speaker 1: fast break points.
[1:52:44] Speaker 3: He played harder. Now you go out and get you
[1:52:47] Speaker 3: a stretch, a big that can shoot it.
[1:52:49] Speaker 1: Former defensive player of the year. Yeah. I don't know.
[1:52:52] Speaker 3: I'm rolling with that, man.
[1:52:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:52:54] Speaker 4: Man, I wouldn't want to be in Giannis' shoes walking into.
[1:52:57] Speaker 2: Madison Square after.
[1:52:58] Speaker 4: Like after they won.
[1:52:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, after they won it.
[1:53:00] Speaker 4: And you're like, you're it.
[1:53:01] Speaker 1: You're it. Giannis wouldn't want that. I have one. won
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: yeah he's already showing up with a champion but.
[1:53:07] Speaker 6: You don't have one here though but um but i
[1:53:09] Speaker 6: have one no no no that's fine no no that's
[1:53:11] Speaker 6: fine no that's fine but you don't have one here
[1:53:13] Speaker 6: okay just got it yes so we so we better
[1:53:16] Speaker 6: win it you okay you know what type of pressure
[1:53:19] Speaker 6: i'm a former mvp so you.
[1:53:20] Speaker 3: Don't think that it got their chances huh so let
[1:53:23] Speaker 3: me just hear me out if the knicks do win
[1:53:25] Speaker 3: it right now yes they would not be the favorite
[1:53:29] Speaker 3: to win it next year as current construct not a
[1:53:31] Speaker 3: chance They were an underdog.
[1:53:33] Speaker 1: Coming to this series. They were an underdog against the
[1:53:36] Speaker 1: Spurs in this series. So, you know what I'm saying? So,
[1:53:40] Speaker 1: I mean, and the critics are wrong.
[1:53:42] Speaker 3: I guarantee if they win it, they don't come back.
[1:53:46] Speaker 3: The Spurs and Oklahoma City will be favorite to win
[1:53:49] Speaker 3: an NBA championship next year over the Knicks.
[1:53:52] Speaker 1: Coming off a championship.
[1:53:54] Speaker 3: You believe you win it you put Giannis in that spot.
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: They do the favor. You're the favorites, right?
[1:53:59] Speaker 6: But I'm saying but I'm saying that they had so
[1:54:01] Speaker 6: they have won it without being a favorite So why
[1:54:03] Speaker 6: we can't do it.
[1:54:03] Speaker 1: Again because the chances Wow Great, you say all the
[1:54:07] Speaker 1: teams gonna get better nobody everybody.
[1:54:11] Speaker 6: Yes If Giannis don't go to the Knicks and he
[1:54:14] Speaker 6: goes to Miami We still got it.
[1:54:15] Speaker 1: We still have a good chance of coming out these
[1:54:17] Speaker 1: but then you're not gonna be the favorite either way
[1:54:18] Speaker 1: You're not gonna be the favorites. So who would be
[1:54:20] Speaker 1: the favorite? I just, the Spurs. On the West.
[1:54:22] Speaker 6: No, but I'm saying coming out, but coming out of East,
[1:54:25] Speaker 6: we are the favorites though still.
[1:54:26] Speaker 3: No, not with a healthy Jason Tatum and a healthy
[1:54:28] Speaker 3: Jalen Brown coming back next year.
[1:54:29] Speaker 1: Depending on what moves they make.
[1:54:30] Speaker 5: And if Giannis go to Miami and we don't know
[1:54:33] Speaker 5: what's around Miami.
[1:54:34] Speaker 1: Right, but the Knicks are going to make moves too. No,
[1:54:36] Speaker 1: they're not. No team does. They're going to stay the same.
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: That's the whole conversation.
[1:54:39] Speaker 6: Mitchell Robinson, Jordan Clarkson. They're all free agents. Yeah, they're
[1:54:42] Speaker 6: all free agents. So we can go get something.
[1:54:44] Speaker 1: So you're losing them. But they're those guys that help
[1:54:46] Speaker 1: you win, right? These are your guys.
[1:54:49] Speaker 3: So if you think that you can go get something
[1:54:51] Speaker 3: that can help you win more than Giannis. You get
[1:54:54] Speaker 3: rid of Mitchell Robinson, Jordan Clarkson, whoever else you see.
[1:54:57] Speaker 1: Cat. Cat. I mean, Cat would have to go. But no, no, no.
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: He's not a free agent. Oh, a free agent.
[1:55:01] Speaker 3: You said with the free agent, they can go get,
[1:55:03] Speaker 3: they can replace Mitchell Robinson, Jordan Clarkson. So you think
[1:55:06] Speaker 3: whoever you get for those three, production of Giannis, that
[1:55:11] Speaker 3: can help your chances of winning it next year even more?
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: Nah, bruh. Not the way he approached the game. Okay.
[1:55:18] Speaker 1: But you're saying that without leaving Cat. You're just saying.
[1:55:21] Speaker 5: What I'm hearing, I'm hearing you say just those three
[1:55:23] Speaker 5: free agents don't match up with what Giannis would bring
[1:55:27] Speaker 5: if you was to trade for Cat.
[1:55:28] Speaker 1: They don't. Not just losing. Like, if you lose them
[1:55:30] Speaker 1: three and keep Cat. Yes.
[1:55:32] Speaker 5: You don't have a chance to really repeat unless you're getting,
[1:55:36] Speaker 5: like you said, a Giannis that puts you over the line.
[1:55:39] Speaker 1: You keep Mitchell.
[1:55:40] Speaker 6: The only reason why I'm saying this, guys, is because
[1:55:42] Speaker 6: we have two ball-dominant guys. on a team that need
[1:55:45] Speaker 6: the ball. They both need the ball. And Giannis is
[1:55:47] Speaker 6: a very dominant. Cat need the ball. But not like Giannis, though.
[1:55:52] Speaker 6: Like Giannis and Brunson, they're going to bump heads a
[1:55:54] Speaker 6: little bit.
[1:55:54] Speaker 1: No, they won't. Because you know why?
[1:55:55] Speaker 3: Because Jalen plays in the half court.
[1:55:59] Speaker 1: Giannis played like this, so it's not a conflict.
[1:56:03] Speaker 3: And now I think it'll force Giannis to be a
[1:56:06] Speaker 3: better pick and roll player.
[1:56:08] Speaker 1: I think it'll be a better role in the.
[1:56:11] Speaker 3: Seal in Jalen Brunson because ain't nobody stopped Giannis from
[1:56:16] Speaker 3: posting up. Like they pushing Cat off his spot. So
[1:56:19] Speaker 3: that's what I'm, I think it works. Giannis plays like this.
[1:56:22] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Of them 35 possessions, he plays
[1:56:25] Speaker 3: like this, cut it down to 20. Now we're playing
[1:56:27] Speaker 3: the half-court 15.
[1:56:28] Speaker 1: You and Jalen Brunson, half-court 15 possessions, running pick and roll,
[1:56:31] Speaker 1: whatever y'all need to do in order to make it work.
[1:56:34] Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. And he's a post-president, so you
[1:56:37] Speaker 1: have to respect him in the post. That's all. I
[1:56:40] Speaker 1: think it works. If you get rid of Cat for him.
[1:56:43] Speaker 4: I can tell you this.
[1:56:43] Speaker 1: I'm upgrading the spot.
[1:56:45] Speaker 4: Giannis would not be taking six total shots in three
[1:56:48] Speaker 4: fourth quarters that they've played so far in the finals.
[1:56:51] Speaker 4: They're going to be splitting the shots.
[1:56:53] Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I just think it's upgrade.
[1:56:57] Speaker 4: So who's the man in New York? Who's the man
[1:57:00] Speaker 4: in the locker room if it's Brunson and Giannis?
[1:57:02] Speaker 1: If they win it, Jalen Brunson. If they win it,
[1:57:05] Speaker 1: for sure. Because Giannis is coming to his team. It's
[1:57:09] Speaker 1: still Jalen Brunson's situation.
[1:57:11] Speaker 2: And that's my thing. I'm not going to your team.
[1:57:13] Speaker 1: Like, I'm Giannis.
[1:57:15] Speaker 6: Like, if I'm Giannis, it's still got to be my show.
[1:57:18] Speaker 1: So I can go to Miami. But that's not his personality, though. What? Who, Giannis?
[1:57:22] Speaker 1: That's not his personality. What, we're trying to be the guy?
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: I think winning is more important to him, is what
[1:57:28] Speaker 1: I got. Well, also being the guy, too. No, I
[1:57:29] Speaker 1: think winning is first. Right, but winning. Because he's been
[1:57:32] Speaker 1: the guy winning.
[1:57:33] Speaker 6: Yeah, but I've been the guy winning being the guy.
[1:57:36] Speaker 6: So now I've got to win and just be like,
[1:57:38] Speaker 6: I've got to be.
[1:57:39] Speaker 1: Still him. Still averaging 27, 11, and 7.
[1:57:42] Speaker 3: Let Jalen Brunson get all the billboards and all of
[1:57:45] Speaker 3: that shit.
[1:57:45] Speaker 1: He's going to get.
[1:57:46] Speaker 2: Nah, nah.
[1:57:47] Speaker 5: Because he's coming off a championship.
[1:57:49] Speaker 1: I can stay at home and not get that. I
[1:57:51] Speaker 1: go to Miami. Just hear me out. Just hear me out.
[1:57:53] Speaker 1: If they win it, if the New York Knicks win it, right,
[1:57:58] Speaker 1: this season. Yes.
[1:57:59] Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson's faces will be plastered no matter if Giannis joins.
[1:58:04] Speaker 1: The Knicks or not.
[1:58:07] Speaker 3: If he comes to this situation, it only helps the
[1:58:12] Speaker 3: situation for next year. You can't control that they want
[1:58:16] Speaker 3: it and Jalen Brunson is more than likely going to
[1:58:19] Speaker 3: be the finals MVP this year. So everything that would
[1:58:23] Speaker 3: happen next year is expected.
[1:58:25] Speaker 1: For Jalen Brunson to get. you add Giannis to it,
[1:58:30] Speaker 1: he's still 27-11-7. He still got a signature shoe going
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: to New York. Giannis. Okay. Okay. And that's why I'm
[1:58:41] Speaker 1: number one. And that's why I'm number one. It doesn't
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: change his status. But his mentality. But he talked about
[1:58:48] Speaker 1: his mentality. Giannis' mentality.
[1:58:50] Speaker 3: Y'all want it to be a dick swinging competition. When
[1:58:53] Speaker 3: I'm looking at it, Giannis going to this bitch trying
[1:58:55] Speaker 3: to win.
[1:58:56] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:58:56] Speaker 3: It's not a popularity contest for him. I think winning
[1:59:00] Speaker 3: is the most important thing to Giannis Antetokounmpo.
[1:59:03] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:59:04] Speaker 2: That's fine.
[1:59:05] Speaker 3: For him to go to that situation, it wouldn't be
[1:59:07] Speaker 3: a dick-swinging competition.
[1:59:09] Speaker 1: Oh, well, I know one thing.
[1:59:10] Speaker 6: At the end of the year, I need to be
[1:59:11] Speaker 6: having finals MVP. So I'm not coming here to be.
[1:59:15] Speaker 1: No, it's not y'all. That's just what it is. We
[1:59:17] Speaker 1: just fought with Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. It's not that.
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: What it is. It's not that. Once I get the
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: number one position, I'm not going back. If it wasn't that,
[1:59:24] Speaker 1: you wouldn't be trying to move. I'm not going back.
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: He's trying to win. He's not trying. See, that's you
[1:59:29] Speaker 1: going back to him. It's not him, Rashad. It's clearly 50-50.
[1:59:34] Speaker 5: We're not going to harp on that.
[1:59:39] Speaker 1: He's not trading himself. If he had the opportunity to build...
[1:59:42] Speaker 1: Just hear me out.
[1:59:45] Speaker 3: If they came to Giannis and be like, Giannis, who
[1:59:48] Speaker 3: do you need here in Milwaukee.
[1:59:49] Speaker 1: For us to be successful? I guarantee he stays in Milwaukee.
[1:59:53] Speaker 5: He did it with Dame. Give me Dame Lillard, bro.
[1:59:56] Speaker 5: He said give me Dame Lillard. But he got what
[1:59:59] Speaker 5: he asked for.
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: It didn't work. They traded Chris Miller. But he got
[2:00:03] Speaker 1: what he wanted, though. No, it didn't work, man. We know.
[2:00:06] Speaker 1: We're not saying it didn't. He still got what he wanted.
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: He still went there.
[2:00:12] Speaker 3: 100% that Giannis went to management and ownership and be like,
[2:00:15] Speaker 3: give me Dame Lillard.
[2:00:17] Speaker 1: Do we know that 100% for a fact? I think
[2:00:19] Speaker 1: what we do know is that they probably consulted him
[2:00:21] Speaker 1: on that situation. And he agreed. And he signed off.
[2:00:25] Speaker 1: He signed off on it. But the situation I just
[2:00:28] Speaker 1: gave was not signing off on something.
[2:00:31] Speaker 3: Giannis, what do you need us to go out and
[2:00:35] Speaker 3: get you in order for you to be here, be happy,
[2:00:38] Speaker 3: and win?
[2:00:39] Speaker 1: That's two separate things. Okay.
[2:00:41] Speaker 4: So you're saying if the Knicks blow this and lose,
[2:00:45] Speaker 4: that it should be a done deal. They should just
[2:00:47] Speaker 4: go get Giannis. The Bucs are saying we want this
[2:00:51] Speaker 4: done before the draft.
[2:00:52] Speaker 1: But after the finals.
[2:00:54] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. So your window to go get
[2:00:57] Speaker 4: Giannis if you're the Knicks.
[2:00:58] Speaker 1: They're talking now. You think they talking now? Hell yeah. No.
[2:01:04] Speaker 1: No way. They talking now. Your man worldwide? No, I
[2:01:09] Speaker 1: don't know. They talking now. I don't think so. He's
[2:01:13] Speaker 1: not local Lester. I am not local Lester. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe, Skip.
[2:01:21] Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't ask. I didn't even think
[2:01:24] Speaker 1: about asking. Would I? Would you put it past him
[2:01:27] Speaker 1: right now that the conversations are being had? If we
[2:01:30] Speaker 1: don't win this, what do we do? No. If we
[2:01:33] Speaker 1: do win, what do you do? Wes is loyal when
[2:01:35] Speaker 1: it comes to the decisions they've made for the Knicks.
[2:01:37] Speaker 1: He's loyal to getting the Knicks better. That's what he's
[2:01:39] Speaker 1: loyal to. And if they win with Kat, there's no
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: blow up there. I don't think they blow it up.
[2:01:44] Speaker 1: But I'm with you. I would want to do that.
[2:01:49] Speaker 1: But I don't think they have that. Think about it.
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: We win in New York for the first time. Did
[2:01:55] Speaker 1: we blow that team up? I think you've blown it
[2:01:58] Speaker 1: up without winning it. You've done worse.
[2:02:00] Speaker 4: But two days ago, they were going to sweep. You know,
[2:02:03] Speaker 4: like we went from sweep to we need now.
[2:02:07] Speaker 1: I'm saying either way it goes. So that's the point.
[2:02:09] Speaker 4: I know.
[2:02:10] Speaker 3: I'm saying win or lose. Giannis is an upgrade. And
[2:02:15] Speaker 3: I agree with that.
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: It's inarguable. I agree.
[2:02:18] Speaker 4: Is Giannis better than Kat?
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. 1,000%. He's different. Better.
[2:02:25] Speaker 4: I don't know about the chemistry and the unity and
[2:02:27] Speaker 4: all those things. You'd have to re-figure all that out.
[2:02:31] Speaker 5: But getting kicked out of there after you win is
[2:02:36] Speaker 5: a whole different type of energy. I agree with the upgrade,
[2:02:40] Speaker 5: but to see that happen to Kat... and to be
[2:02:44] Speaker 5: the guy that you had to go have the conversation
[2:02:46] Speaker 5: with and say, hey, I need you to buy in,
[2:02:49] Speaker 5: and we win one and boot you, ooh, that's karma.
[2:02:52] Speaker 1: That's Nick karma right there.
[2:02:54] Speaker 3: You ain't got to have that conversation with the other
[2:02:56] Speaker 3: guy you bring it in.
[2:02:57] Speaker 1: I know that shit.
[2:02:59] Speaker 5: You just said it's not a dick-swinging contest.
[2:03:02] Speaker 1: But he's going to go up and show up and play.
[2:03:04] Speaker 1: That's fine. Hey, my buddy, we won it last year.
[2:03:05] Speaker 1: That's how we do it here. So all that. So
[2:03:10] Speaker 1: get that top of the key. Go get that ball
[2:03:12] Speaker 1: and go do like that. You and Dane was having problems.
[2:03:16] Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm at 32 with two MVPs
[2:03:19] Speaker 6: and all that going to be sitting there looking like.
[2:03:21] Speaker 1: Y'all want a chip? I've been had one. he buys
[2:03:26] Speaker 1: i just wouldn't.
[2:03:26] Speaker 5: Even want that pressure on me to go to new
[2:03:28] Speaker 5: york but he won't control too i don't think yannis
[2:03:30] Speaker 5: won't control i don't think so yeah i don't because
[2:03:33] Speaker 5: he's a top dog he's a top dog.
[2:03:36] Speaker 3: I can see yes you can be a top dog
[2:03:38] Speaker 3: and still buy in for what's better for what we're
[2:03:41] Speaker 3: trying to do and win i think both things can.
[2:03:43] Speaker 5: Exist 2012 2013 the buy-in was dwayne wade you're in
[2:03:48] Speaker 5: the back seat now.
[2:03:50] Speaker 2: And I'm sure that was difficult.
[2:03:51] Speaker 1: You're in the back, I'm in the front, and let's drive.
[2:03:54] Speaker 1: And I'm sure that was difficult. Or passengers, just scoot
[2:03:57] Speaker 1: your ass over. Scoot your ass over. I'm not driving, though.
[2:04:02] Speaker 4: So the old school.
[2:04:02] Speaker 1: Way to drive is air cars, right? Right?
[2:04:06] Speaker 3: Had two steering wheels and I had things, so that's, hey,
[2:04:08] Speaker 3: that's what they had, right? And that's what this will
[2:04:11] Speaker 3: be next year. If Giannis goes to New York, they
[2:04:14] Speaker 3: got the old school driver's head car. He got his
[2:04:17] Speaker 3: head on the emergency brake.
[2:04:19] Speaker 1: Got the wheel on his side just in case shit
[2:04:22] Speaker 1: get out of control in this bitch. I don't like that.
[2:04:24] Speaker 1: I got the wheel as well. D-Way had to get
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: keys up, right? Brunson going to have to get them
[2:04:31] Speaker 1: keys up. It's Giannis. No, we drove. Listen, we took
[2:04:33] Speaker 1: turns driving. It's a long road trip. There's no such
[2:04:36] Speaker 1: thing as one. It's a long road trip. It's who's
[2:04:38] Speaker 1: the guy. It's a long road trip, right? We can't drive. Listen,
[2:04:41] Speaker 1: one thing you can't drive across the country by yourself
[2:04:44] Speaker 1: without stopping. Somebody else is going to have to take
[2:04:46] Speaker 1: the wheel. I could have just stayed in Milwaukee for this.
[2:04:47] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I could just kill. Y'all sound emotional.
[2:04:50] Speaker 1: I got to come here and like what? Y'all sound emotional. No,
[2:04:54] Speaker 1: that's not. That's the whole point of going into free
[2:04:56] Speaker 1: agency as a big dog. It's about winning. It's about
[2:04:59] Speaker 1: winning in every aspect. It's about winning.
[2:05:02] Speaker 3: It's about winning in every aspect.
[2:05:04] Speaker 1: It's about winning. I got to be the man. I
[2:05:06] Speaker 1: want to be the man.
[2:05:07] Speaker 5: But is his ideal situation to play second fielder on
[2:05:10] Speaker 5: that team?
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: He won't be second fielder. Not averaging 27, 11, and 7.
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: There ain't no second fielder to none of that. It is.
[2:05:14] Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant was second fielder.
[2:05:16] Speaker 6: Jack, finals MVP, the second filler. Did you take it
[2:05:20] Speaker 6: home from 2000 to 2002?
[2:05:22] Speaker 1: Who took home the trophy? Here we go.
[2:05:25] Speaker 2: Second feeling.
[2:05:26] Speaker 1: Here we go. All right. It was 136, man. On
[2:05:28] Speaker 1: that note. Yeah, please. On that note. Facts. Go look
[2:05:31] Speaker 1: it up. Solid discourse today across the board. I know. Facts.
[2:05:34] Speaker 1: Look it up. Facts. You saw at the end Shaq
[2:05:36] Speaker 1: was like this. He was there. So, yeah.
[2:05:40] Speaker 3: And that man was averaging what he was averaging simultaneously.
[2:05:42] Speaker 1: And still was second fiddle. 30 and 29. They don't
[2:05:45] Speaker 1: win it without that guy averaging what he averaged. Still
[2:05:48] Speaker 1: second fiddle, though. Okay, cool. All right. But on that note,
[2:05:52] Speaker 1: appreciate everybody in the chat. Appreciate everybody on this couch.
[2:05:56] Speaker 1: You're preemptive woo-wooing. You're preemptive woo-woo. Appreciate all our amazingly
[2:06:00] Speaker 1: talented crew. This has been another episode of Gil's Arena
[2:06:04] Speaker 1: presented by Underdog. We will see y'all tomorrow.

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