# The Arena BATTLES Over Kawhi’s Return, PG's Fit In Boston & Westbrook’s All-Time Legacy Part 1

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 16 Sep 2026, 1 h 33 min.

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Gilbert Arenas, Evan Turner, DeMarcus Cousins, Iman Shumpert, Brendan Haywood, and Josiah Johnson bring you the best NBA show on the planet! This episode the couch gives their opinion on the Kawhi trade, blasts new age coaching for being lazy, discusses Paul George's new role in Boston and more! Presented by Polymarket - the world's largest prediction market. Use code ARENA when you sign up for a $50 bonus with a qualifying deposit of $10. https://app.polymarket.us/S8ac/ARENA 18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See http://polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. Follow Gil's Arena on socials: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/gilsarena0/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/GilsArena0 Threads - https://www.threads.com/@gilsarena0 Twitter/X - https://x.com/GilsArenaShow Twitch - https://www.twitch.tv/gilsarenashow TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@gilsarena TimeStamps: 0:00 - INTRO 7:50- KAWHI TRADE 10:00- PLAYOFF MOVER 13:00- OFFENSIVE QUESTIONS 16:00- TEAM COMPARISONS 20:00- THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS 25:00- KAWHI’S STYLE OF HOOPS 28:00- PLAYOFF STRUGGLES 33:00 - KAWHI OR BRANDON INGRAM? 35:00- OFFENSIVE LIABILITIES 38:00- LAZY COACHES 43:00- OFFENSIVE IDENTITIES 46:00- BAD SHOOTERS SHOOTING 51:00 - PAUL GEORGE ROLE IN BOSTON 55:00- PG IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A STAR 58:00- 2ND OPTION WARS 1:02:00 - NORMAL CELTICS STRUGGLES 1:04:11-NOT A CHIP TEAM 1:09:00- EASTERN TEAM PROBLEMS 1:13:00- A MIDDLETON MISSING IN ATL ??? 1:17:00 - Pat Riley built team 1:21:00- BAD GIANNIS SITUATION 1:26:00 - THE KNICKS DIFFERENCE (Timestamps may vary based on ads) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gills Arena, presented by Poly Market and
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[0:08] Speaker 1: I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson, here with NBA and
[0:12] Speaker 1: 2K legend, none other than Gilbert Arenas.
[0:15] Speaker 2: What's up?
[0:20] Speaker 1: We're once again joined by NBA champion of the world
[0:22] Speaker 1: and purveyor of the tallest tails network on YouTube, Brendan Haywood.
[0:27] Speaker 2: Let's go, baby. Let's go, baby.
[0:31] Speaker 1: We also got NBA champion of the world, and when
[0:33] Speaker 1: he's not here, you can catch him on his Shump
[0:35] Speaker 1: Street podcast.
[0:36] Speaker 2: Iman Shumpert, back in the building with us. Appreciate y'all, man.
[0:40] Speaker 1: Joining us again, former college player of the year, number
[0:43] Speaker 1: two overall pick, who played 10 seasons in the league.
[0:45] Speaker 2: Give it up for Evan Turner. And.
[0:51] Speaker 1: we got another special guest making his first appearance in
[0:54] Speaker 1: the arena as a member of our cast.
[0:57] Speaker 2: One of the most unstoppable and skilled offensive centers of
[1:00] Speaker 2: his era, a four-time NBA All-Star, a two-time gold medal winner,
[1:06] Speaker 2: the man we know as Big Cuz, Demarcus Boogie Cousins. Yeah!
[1:14] Speaker 3: Boogie in the building!
[1:20] Speaker 2: Yeah! Yes, sir! The beat, dawg. What up, baby? Y'all,
[1:27] Speaker 2: what up, baby? Oh, yeah, yeah, you got to catch
[1:30] Speaker 2: the rhythm, bud. Come on, man, open up the barbershop.
[1:32] Speaker 2: Hold on, what's that? Hold up, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay,
[1:37] Speaker 2: you can go now. Yeah! I know they do. Yeah! Well,
[1:46] Speaker 2: he done opened up a barbershop. Oh, yeah.
[1:50] Speaker 1: What's going on with you, Boogie? Appreciate you being on
[1:52] Speaker 1: the show. We had you on before as a guest,
[1:54] Speaker 1: but now you a part of the cast.
[1:57] Speaker 2: Happy to have you here.
[1:58] Speaker 1: Where you get all this money to get all these
[2:00] Speaker 1: people on the show? Because my checks are a little late.
[2:03] Speaker 1: I started for the other one.
[2:04] Speaker 2: Okay, okay. I shouldn't even ask. Oh, no, I set
[2:07] Speaker 2: myself up with that. It kind of negotiated it. I just,
[2:09] Speaker 2: you know, I didn't even handle that. You set yourself up, Joe.
[2:11] Speaker 2: I set myself up. You set yourself up, Joe. B-Wood,
[2:13] Speaker 2: you understand. Okay. I should have just kept my mouth
[2:16] Speaker 2: shut messing with Gil.
[2:18] Speaker 1: But we got a lot to get into. Here's what's
[2:20] Speaker 1: cracking in the arena today. The Kawhi trade is now
[2:23] Speaker 1: official with the claw returning to the six. How much
[2:26] Speaker 1: has Kawhi moved the needle for the Raptors in the East?
[2:29] Speaker 1: Paul George says he's not trying to take any shine
[2:32] Speaker 1: from Jason Tatum. But what are realistic expectations for P.G.
[2:35] Speaker 1: Tatum in the Celtics this season? And Russell Westbrook announces
[2:41] Speaker 1: retirement after 18 seasons. Where does he rank amongst the
[2:44] Speaker 1: greatest point guards in NBA history? That man deserved a
[2:48] Speaker 1: farewell tour. He did not get it, unfortunately. But we're
[2:51] Speaker 1: going to give Westbrook his love on the show today.
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[3:54] Speaker 2: He had a game that day. No, I remember he was...
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[4:00] Speaker 2: preseason or something. It's already in the playoffs.
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[4:52] Speaker 2: It's our Twitch, Gil. You own it. Okay. It's like
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[5:12] Speaker 2: Love it. That was all top of the dome. No problem.
[5:15] Speaker 2: The fans are hooked up now. But let's get into it.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Now that's crazy because you know we didn't get the
[5:19] Speaker 2: prompt until the host was a girl. We have discussed it.
[5:25] Speaker 2: Kenzie got the prop. We just benefit off of it.
[5:27] Speaker 2: I'll just be honest. Request for putting a little bit
[5:30] Speaker 2: off the lap. Yeah, I did your head down. I
[5:32] Speaker 2: did she was like no I don't do that. I
[5:34] Speaker 2: need one of them. It was like boom got you now.
[5:37] Speaker 2: We got to On.
[5:44] Speaker 1: Monday the quad trade to the Raptors became official less
[5:48] Speaker 1: than two weeks after the NBA hit the Clippers with
[5:49] Speaker 1: the harshest punishment in league history for circumventing the salary
[5:53] Speaker 1: cap with their former franchise player Cost him five firsts,
[5:56] Speaker 1: a $ 30 million fine, and one year suspension for Steve Ballmer.
[5:59] Speaker 1: Kawhi also fined a measly $ 700, 000 in his business manager.
[6:03] Speaker 2: I mean, versus that 30. Versus that 30. Yes, I'll do.
[6:08] Speaker 1: In his business manager, Uncle Dennis was banned for five
[6:10] Speaker 1: years from doing business with the league. Now Kawhi is
[6:13] Speaker 1: circumventing the Clippers, waiving his 15% trade kicker worth $ 7. 45
[6:17] Speaker 1: million to get the deal done. In exchange, the Clips
[6:20] Speaker 1: get Brandon Ingram, Grady Dick, two unprotected first rounders, A
[6:23] Speaker 1: 20-27 first swap in two seconds. Raptors finished fifth in
[6:27] Speaker 1: the East last season. I know you didn't watch them,
[6:29] Speaker 1: but they did finish fifth in the East last season.
[6:30] Speaker 2: They was hooping, too.
[6:32] Speaker 1: Took the Cavs a seven game in the first round.
[6:33] Speaker 1: Now they add an all-NBA forward in Kawhi, who led
[6:36] Speaker 1: the team to their only chip in franchise history seven
[6:40] Speaker 1: years ago.
[6:43] Speaker 2: And let's take a look.
[6:43] Speaker 1: Kawhi coming off one of the best seasons in his
[6:45] Speaker 1: 15-year career. Average of career-high 28 points, along with six rebounds,
[6:49] Speaker 1: four assists on 51-39, 89 shooting splits. Let's take a
[6:53] Speaker 1: quick look at the Raptors depth chart. Y'all know you're
[6:55] Speaker 1: not too familiar. We're going to get your familiarity up
[6:58] Speaker 1: with that Raptors crew. He joins a roster that includes
[7:00] Speaker 1: former Rookie of the Year, two-time All-Star Scotty Barnes, along
[7:03] Speaker 1: with R.J.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Barrett and Emmanuel Quigley.
[7:06] Speaker 1: So, Boogie, we got you on the couch for the
[7:07] Speaker 1: first time.
[7:08] Speaker 2: We're going to start with you.
[7:10] Speaker 1: How much does Kawhi going to the Raptors move the
[7:12] Speaker 1: needle for the Raptors in the East?
[7:14] Speaker 5: I think they get better. I wouldn't necessarily say a
[7:18] Speaker 5: contending team. As of now, I think the East is
[7:22] Speaker 5: a straight gauntlet now. It basically happened overnight. So you
[7:26] Speaker 5: think about the Knicks, you think about a team like Philly,
[7:28] Speaker 5: even a Boston.
[7:30] Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily.
[7:32] Speaker 5: Say them getting Kawhi at this point elevates them over
[7:37] Speaker 5: those teams. Shit, I would even consider Cleveland a better
[7:40] Speaker 5: team as of now. But I think anywhere Kawhi goes,
[7:43] Speaker 5: he's going to bring positivity to the group. He's definitely
[7:46] Speaker 5: going to elevate the group. But championships? I can't go
[7:50] Speaker 5: out on a limb and say I'm confident to say that.
[7:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't say championship. Nah, I'm just saying. But
[7:56] Speaker 2: did he make him better? Your question is, did he
[7:57] Speaker 2: make him better? Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. So Sean, what you
[8:02] Speaker 2: think about Kawhi going to the Raptors? Like I said,
[8:04] Speaker 2: fifth in the East. I like it.
[8:06] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm, Luckily, I'm not, you know, I'm not
[8:09] Speaker 3: invested in the Clippers, even though he did do, you know,
[8:12] Speaker 3: that was some bullshit.
[8:13] Speaker 2: And they got everything they deserve.
[8:15] Speaker 3: I'm just saying, just do that and then be able
[8:18] Speaker 3: to wipe your state clear.
[8:19] Speaker 2: Kawhi did us, he did justice.
[8:22] Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I can understand why some people would
[8:24] Speaker 3: be upset at what he just did and did.
[8:27] Speaker 2: But if you Toronto, you like bring him back. You
[8:30] Speaker 2: know what I mean?
[8:31] Speaker 3: Especially if we got Scottie and him now, so the
[8:33] Speaker 3: framework to guard two through four becomes way better. And
[8:36] Speaker 3: especially if you got to deal with broning them in
[8:38] Speaker 3: the East. If they're going to be in the East,
[8:40] Speaker 3: you got to deal with that. If you have to
[8:41] Speaker 3: deal with OG Ananobi and Jalen Brunson running around, it's
[8:46] Speaker 3: like you finally have tools and weapons that can combat
[8:50] Speaker 3: some of the... with, you know, the talent that is
[8:53] Speaker 3: loaded up in the East right now. So I like
[8:54] Speaker 3: it for the playoffs, and I feel like Scottie Barnes
[8:57] Speaker 3: in moments last year was dolo.
[9:00] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[9:00] Speaker 3: Kawhi, like, whether we talk about it or not, when
[9:03] Speaker 3: the playoffs come, Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, certain guys that aren't
[9:07] Speaker 3: going to get the top ten talk or the top
[9:09] Speaker 3: five talk in the league when the playoffs start, oh,
[9:12] Speaker 3: they really be like that.
[9:13] Speaker 2: So I like it. I think he's moving the needle.
[9:15] Speaker 1: All right, let's shift to this side of the couch. Brendan,
[9:17] Speaker 1: what do you think about Kawhi getting traded to the Raptors?
[9:19] Speaker 1: How does he move the needle for them in the
[9:21] Speaker 1: Eastern Conference?
[9:22] Speaker 2: If Kawhi's healthy, I like this move for him, especially
[9:24] Speaker 2: in the playoffs. If you watch Toronto in the playoffs,
[9:27] Speaker 2: when they were trying to get it, run the offense
[9:30] Speaker 2: through Brandon Ingram, it wasn't working. And when they were
[9:33] Speaker 2: looking for that half-court presence, it wasn't working with Brandon Ingram.
[9:36] Speaker 2: We already know if Kawhi's healthy... You throw it to
[9:38] Speaker 2: him in that mid-range, he's going to get to a shot.
[9:41] Speaker 2: It's not going to be flashy. He's going to bump
[9:42] Speaker 2: you off. He's going to get his shot off. He's
[9:44] Speaker 2: going to give them half-court respectability, and that's what you
[9:47] Speaker 2: need to win a championship. I don't think they're that.
[9:49] Speaker 2: I agree with Boogie. I don't think they're a championship team,
[9:51] Speaker 2: but they're a scary team. That ain't the team you
[9:54] Speaker 2: want to play in the first round when we got
[9:56] Speaker 2: Kawhi right here playing defense and offense. Then we got
[9:59] Speaker 2: Colin Moribor. bowls. And then on top of that, you
[10:01] Speaker 2: got Scottie Barnes. That's a lot of defense. And that
[10:04] Speaker 2: makes them a monster. That's a hard first round opponent. Yeah.
[10:08] Speaker 2: So like we talked about a Philly or if you're
[10:10] Speaker 2: the Knicks or whoever it is, a Cleveland, those teams
[10:12] Speaker 2: that we think are going to be the favorites. that's
[10:15] Speaker 2: not the team you want to play in the first
[10:16] Speaker 2: round because even if you beat them, they're going to
[10:18] Speaker 2: take you six, seven games. First round, you know, you
[10:21] Speaker 2: want chump. You don't want chip. That first round, you
[10:23] Speaker 2: want to get out of there real quick and then
[10:25] Speaker 2: go home. And be healthy. And be healthy. They're going
[10:27] Speaker 2: to make you play all the way through because that
[10:29] Speaker 2: defense is going to be real. And they're going to
[10:31] Speaker 2: grind it out. You know the six is going to
[10:33] Speaker 2: be jumping when you come up there. That little outside.
[10:35] Speaker 2: They got real defense. And then they got enough secondary
[10:38] Speaker 2: offensive players. That's what I'm worried about. Offensively. So offensively,
[10:43] Speaker 2: I worry about them shooting. But as far as like
[10:45] Speaker 2: the secondary players, Emmanuel Quigley, he can win you a game. R.J.
[10:49] Speaker 2: Barrett can win you a game. R.J. Barrett did a
[10:51] Speaker 2: great job last year.
[10:52] Speaker 6: I have enough depth. I got to count his stops
[10:55] Speaker 6: at Colin Murray's ball. And then you go maybe Jamal Snead.
[10:58] Speaker 6: But other than that, they lost a lot on the bench.
[11:00] Speaker 6: So if Kawhi isn't healthy the whole year, I think.
[11:03] Speaker 6: You know, last year they started off so hot, and
[11:05] Speaker 6: then they went 50% the rest of the way like
[11:07] Speaker 6: the last 40 or 50 games. I think one thing
[11:09] Speaker 6: that does occur is Kawhi's win percentage is around, what, 68%.
[11:13] Speaker 6: And then I guess what they love is if we
[11:15] Speaker 6: upgrade to Ingram, from Ingram to Kawhi, it's like, yo,
[11:19] Speaker 6: we might– all we need is a hot week, and
[11:22] Speaker 6: we're going to be very, very dangerous come playoff time
[11:24] Speaker 6: because Kawhi led a new team with the Toronto Raptors
[11:27] Speaker 6: to a 2019 championship. And sometimes I joke, but I'm like,
[11:30] Speaker 6: we remove the glasses or whatever. He gets into a
[11:33] Speaker 6: mode of hooping like Jordan, bro, where he can.
[11:35] Speaker 2: Who? I'm saying in a sense of like. Who are
[11:38] Speaker 2: you talking to? Jordan Kawhi. Kawhi.
[11:40] Speaker 6: I'm saying in a sense of like, bro, he goes crazy. Defensively,
[11:43] Speaker 6: he can stop anybody coming down the stretch. And in
[11:45] Speaker 6: crunch time, he can score at any type of level, bro.
[11:48] Speaker 6: That's different, bro. And the other top players are worried
[11:51] Speaker 6: about him. So I think when he shows up, he
[11:53] Speaker 6: can lift every voice.
[11:55] Speaker 5: I like the talent, you know, on paper as far
[11:57] Speaker 5: as everybody else around him. But just because it's talent
[12:00] Speaker 5: on paper, does that talent necessarily compliment their star player?
[12:04] Speaker 5: And that's more so what I worry about. Defensively, I
[12:07] Speaker 5: think this group is going to be called. I think
[12:08] Speaker 5: that's what makes Kawhi.
[12:10] Speaker 2: Is that what makes Kawhi? Yeah, you got the it factor.
[12:12] Speaker 3: Kawhi is not a superstar that you got to– That's.
[12:15] Speaker 5: Fine, but you still, the complimentary, and what I mean
[12:17] Speaker 5: by complimentary piece is.
[12:19] Speaker 2: More so to shoot. Oh, I got you.
[12:23] Speaker 5: We know Kawhi, it's a great possibility. He's getting trapped
[12:25] Speaker 5: as soon as he crosses half court. So at that point,
[12:28] Speaker 5: what are we leaning on? What's that go-to second option
[12:31] Speaker 5: as far as, you know, continuing the game and keeping
[12:33] Speaker 5: that flow?
[12:33] Speaker 2: And you brought up in the manual quickly. This is
[12:35] Speaker 2: a young guy.
[12:36] Speaker 5: That's a UK boy, so he got my love regardless,
[12:38] Speaker 5: but is he at that level to be that next option?
[12:41] Speaker 2: Then you talk about the Scottie Barnes.
[12:43] Speaker 5: Scottie Barnes has a lot of things he's good at
[12:46] Speaker 5: in basketball. I wouldn't necessarily say he's great at anything
[12:50] Speaker 5: yet offensively.
[12:51] Speaker 2: So that concerns me. And then we kind of talk– R.J. Barrett.
[12:54] Speaker 5: I said earlier, I don't think he's really improved since
[12:57] Speaker 5: he came into the league. I think he's the same
[12:59] Speaker 5: exact player that he was when he left Duke. And
[13:02] Speaker 5: that's not necessarily a knock. I think he's still a
[13:04] Speaker 5: good player.
[13:04] Speaker 2: He's a gamer and all that. He's there to compete.
[13:07] Speaker 2: But I'm still speaking on that second option that's going
[13:10] Speaker 2: to take– the load from Kawhi once he was trapped.
[13:13] Speaker 2: Or the outside shooting. Exactly.
[13:15] Speaker 5: So that's more so my concern compared to, you know,
[13:18] Speaker 5: they got talent on paper. I think sometimes their identity
[13:21] Speaker 5: is kind of like Detroit in a sense. Obviously, they
[13:23] Speaker 5: can score, but their physicality is also advantageous to them.
[13:26] Speaker 5: When you sit there, it's like, hey, we're not getting
[13:28] Speaker 5: to 120 champ. We're getting around 95, 104 tonight. We
[13:32] Speaker 5: keep it to 103.
[13:33] Speaker 2: We good.
[13:34] Speaker 6: Because we're imposing our nature on them. I feel like
[13:38] Speaker 6: that's what the Raptors are going to have to do,
[13:39] Speaker 6: take the type of Mentality, physicality, and like you said,
[13:42] Speaker 6: make everything a half-court game so Kawhi's staring you down
[13:45] Speaker 6: and turn it into a chess match as opposed to.
[13:48] Speaker 2: Turn it into a chess match. Yeah, because we're not
[13:50] Speaker 2: going to win trying to.
[13:51] Speaker 6: Like, Scottie Barnes, if he gets 25, we're like, damn,
[13:53] Speaker 6: that's a career high. Not in a disrespectful sense, but
[13:56] Speaker 6: he's an 18, 12, 7 type of dude. Shut you down,
[13:59] Speaker 6: lock you down, and take it from there. And that's
[14:01] Speaker 6: why R.J. Barrett is able to give you inefficient 25-point
[14:06] Speaker 6: nights and then... Certain nights he's going to be able
[14:08] Speaker 6: to get hot, and then you guys are going to
[14:09] Speaker 6: be able to win from there. But your cheat code is, like,
[14:13] Speaker 6: damn near Superman. Like, Kawhi Leonard is going to show up,
[14:15] Speaker 6: give you 25, and he damn near shot 90, 50, 40.
[14:17] Speaker 2: Right, but they got to hang their hat on you.
[14:19] Speaker 6: And then when it comes playoff time with dudes like Kawhi,
[14:22] Speaker 6: even like with Tatum and Boston, them dudes just need
[14:24] Speaker 6: a good week's worth of basketball. All that 82 games,
[14:27] Speaker 6: shit out the window. Like, can I average 30 for
[14:30] Speaker 6: a week? I guarantee you it's going to be hell
[14:32] Speaker 6: to tell the captain. And that's what they're taking. in
[14:34] Speaker 6: that sense, and that's what makes them dangerous.
[14:36] Speaker 2: But I'm glad you brought up Detroit, though, because I
[14:37] Speaker 2: think that's what their problem going to be.
[14:39] Speaker 5: You saw what happened to Detroit last year.
[14:42] Speaker 3: That boy didn't get his lung kicked in, though.
[14:45] Speaker 2: That would look different. If his lung didn't get kicked in. No,
[14:49] Speaker 2: I'm just saying. No, no, he was still doing his thing.
[14:52] Speaker 2: He still did his thing. He just wasn't enough.
[14:54] Speaker 3: No, but he averaged six turnovers a game. It disrupted
[14:57] Speaker 3: their rhythm, dog. That second option is valuable, bro. You
[15:00] Speaker 3: need that second option.
[15:01] Speaker 2: You saw what happened to Detroit. Motorcade is like that.
[15:05] Speaker 2: He's next up. He's one of them ones. But, man,
[15:08] Speaker 2: you know how hard it is when they're throwing two
[15:10] Speaker 2: or three people at you and you ain't got that
[15:12] Speaker 2: second option to truly just take that smoke away? that's
[15:15] Speaker 2: what a championship normally looks like. All right, we got
[15:17] Speaker 2: the star. Then we got another guy that he might
[15:20] Speaker 2: be Hall of Fame worthy to. Exactly. And on a
[15:24] Speaker 2: night where I don't have it, I can throw it
[15:26] Speaker 2: to you. Right. On a night where Kawhi doesn't have it,
[15:30] Speaker 2: because every star... And every series, there's going to be
[15:33] Speaker 2: a night where the team says, not you. Right. On
[15:35] Speaker 2: that night... Is R.J. Barrett ready to be the guy?
[15:38] Speaker 2: I don't know. Scotty Barnes. Offensively, he's not ready to
[15:41] Speaker 2: be the guy. What's his go-to?
[15:42] Speaker 3: He is once Kawhi Leonard take all the attention. They
[15:46] Speaker 3: was barely dealing with his.
[15:48] Speaker 2: Ass last year. The Cleveland Cavaliers slowly got by them.
[15:52] Speaker 2: Cleveland ain't a great example. They still got.
[15:55] Speaker 3: Two people that will come in there and bust your ass.
[15:58] Speaker 3: James Harden will come in there and do you bad.
[16:01] Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell will come in there and shoot webs all
[16:04] Speaker 3: over your shit.
[16:05] Speaker 2: He'll do it. James will do it in May? Allegedly.
[16:08] Speaker 2: In May? He did it. He did? In May? No,
[16:11] Speaker 2: he didn't. Listen. In May. Listen, y'all keep forgetting. I
[16:13] Speaker 2: didn't say March. I didn't say March.
[16:15] Speaker 3: I didn't say December.
[16:17] Speaker 2: I said in May.
[16:17] Speaker 3: James Harden wasn't brought to Cleveland to score 60.
[16:20] Speaker 2: No, he was supposed to score 65. He was supposed
[16:22] Speaker 2: to compliment. He was supposed to compliment. He is. He is, though.
[16:26] Speaker 2: He know that. He supposed to have 20. He ain't
[16:29] Speaker 2: supposed to have 20.
[16:30] Speaker 3: 25.
[16:30] Speaker 2: Sam Darrow? Who? No, no, no. He supposed to have 15.
[16:33] Speaker 2: I put Mobley and Scottie Barnes in the same category.
[16:35] Speaker 2: That's the problem. You're a game. Don't say too much
[16:38] Speaker 2: too soon.
[16:38] Speaker 3: Mobley's always 16. They supposed to be winning at the end.
[16:41] Speaker 3: You shooting free throws.
[16:42] Speaker 2: Okay. 20 to 25.
[16:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[16:44] Speaker 2: Amen.
[16:45] Speaker 5: If Mobley is your second option, I'm comparing Scottie Barnes
[16:49] Speaker 5: to exactly what Mobley do.
[16:51] Speaker 2: And that's the problem. You think Scottie Barnes offensively is
[16:53] Speaker 2: ready to be a true number two option on a
[16:55] Speaker 2: championship level team? We're talking about creating offense.
[16:59] Speaker 3: Why Leonard coming there creates some sort of illusion?
[17:03] Speaker 2: Not an illusion. Not an illusion.
[17:06] Speaker 3: I think it just gives a hierarchy to where they
[17:09] Speaker 3: now know, okay, if we need a bucket, need a bucket,
[17:12] Speaker 3: we going right there. You're not going to have people
[17:14] Speaker 3: tilting as hard on you or focusing on you like
[17:16] Speaker 3: that because we got to focus on Kawhi.
[17:18] Speaker 2: So you're going to get easy ones, easy ones. You're
[17:20] Speaker 2: going to be in rhythm. You're going to have way
[17:22] Speaker 2: more energy. Who getting easy ones? Scotty Barnes. We talking
[17:26] Speaker 2: like Kawhi is like averaging eight assists. What do you mean?
[17:30] Speaker 2: All you got to do is this.
[17:31] Speaker 4: You don't even do that.
[17:33] Speaker 2: Because he's shooting 90, 50, 40.
[17:35] Speaker 3: All Kawhi got to do is take the defense to tilt.
[17:38] Speaker 2: We talking about guys complimenting each other. That's what I'm saying.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Kawhi not coming off looking for... Kawhi coming off looking
[17:45] Speaker 2: to shoot. So once he's trapped, That's where the defense
[17:49] Speaker 2: has their advantage. We got Kawhi exactly where he was.
[17:52] Speaker 3: As soon as we tilt, we get this advantage to
[17:55] Speaker 3: happen where we say we got to bring two.
[17:57] Speaker 2: We throw the ball to Scottie Barnes. Rotation happens.
[17:59] Speaker 3: Now you got to close out to Scottie Barnes.
[18:02] Speaker 2: No, you don't. That's the point. Boogie, you right. I'm
[18:04] Speaker 2: not closing out to Scottie Barnes. Shoot that shit. Watch
[18:07] Speaker 2: the playoffs. Kawhi is a scorer to Boogie. his point.
[18:11] Speaker 2: Brandon Ingram was off. That's why they skated past. Hold on.
[18:15] Speaker 2: If B.I. would have been killing.
[18:17] Speaker 3: Like he normally do, it was different.
[18:20] Speaker 2: B.I. got the shots and wasn't shooting well. That's it.
[18:23] Speaker 2: Hold up. So Kawhi got the ball, right? Bam. He's
[18:26] Speaker 2: coming off. He's killing. They're like, we're going to send
[18:29] Speaker 2: two to three people at him. Now, when that tilt
[18:31] Speaker 2: you talk about that all the stars see in the playoffs,
[18:34] Speaker 2: they're going to tilt off Scottie Barnes. They're going to
[18:37] Speaker 2: force Kawhi to throw to Scottie Barnes. Scottie Barnes shoots
[18:40] Speaker 2: between 27% to 30% from three.
[18:43] Speaker 3: So that rotation that you're talking about, you know how
[18:45] Speaker 3: it is in the playoffs.
[18:51] Speaker 2: They got to take away something. They're going to say, guys,
[18:52] Speaker 2: we're going to tilt on Kawhi. When it goes to him,
[18:55] Speaker 2: we don't go out there. He gets as many of
[18:56] Speaker 2: those threes as he wants. He's going to have to
[18:58] Speaker 2: prove at least three, four, five games before we come
[19:01] Speaker 2: out there. When you shoot 30% from three in playoff series,
[19:04] Speaker 2: they let you shoot. And that shit drops. They let
[19:07] Speaker 2: you shoot. But he know it's coming. When you shoot 30%
[19:10] Speaker 2: from three, they hope you hit your first one. Oh, bro.
[19:13] Speaker 2: That gets your confidence up. Because they really want you
[19:15] Speaker 2: shooting threes as opposed to Kawhi, Iso, and one-on-one. I
[19:18] Speaker 2: get it. And that is going to be the question
[19:20] Speaker 2: for Toronto. Can Scottie, can RJ, and those young guys
[19:24] Speaker 2: step up? Because they're going to say, not you, throw
[19:27] Speaker 2: the ball to you, and we ain't rotating. We want
[19:28] Speaker 2: to see what you got.
[19:29] Speaker 3: I'm letting you know I totally believe that Scottie Barnes
[19:33] Speaker 3: and RJ Barrett are totally capable of being two and
[19:36] Speaker 3: three with Kawhi Leonard.
[19:37] Speaker 2: I'm not saying. So why didn't you do that last year? What?
[19:40] Speaker 2: Because Brandon Ingram's not Kawhi. Brandon Ingram struggled. Oh, no, no.
[19:43] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? They doubled him, and then
[19:45] Speaker 2: he got a pass. He was saying, look at Joe
[19:46] Speaker 2: Oregon about it. Exactly. They doubled Ingram. Who the fuck
[19:49] Speaker 2: said that?
[19:50] Speaker 4: They double Ingram, and he got a pass to them
[19:52] Speaker 4: to shoot 20-something. So ain't shit changed.
[19:58] Speaker 3: The only thing that has changed is the.
[20:03] Speaker 4: Illusion of a 34-year-old guy who's been injured most of
[20:07] Speaker 4: this time, 35, that's going to come there for a
[20:10] Speaker 4: year or two, and you traded all your young pieces
[20:13] Speaker 4: with all your young pieces. So the future of your
[20:16] Speaker 4: team is at the Clippers now. You got him for
[20:19] Speaker 4: a year or two, and then he's gone.
[20:21] Speaker 2: Now what you got? Nothing.
[20:23] Speaker 3: But presently, what would you do?
[20:25] Speaker 4: I thought that he came here, added with those guys.
[20:28] Speaker 4: He can teach those guys how.
[20:30] Speaker 2: To be great, and then they can move on.
[20:32] Speaker 4: But the fact that you got rid of three, four
[20:35] Speaker 4: young people, that's going to build with Scotty Barnes.
[20:39] Speaker 2: Right. That's going to move the needle together. Yeah. to
[20:42] Speaker 2: bring in a 34-year-old that you're going to... 35. Give
[20:45] Speaker 2: him the extra year now. What you doing with him?
[20:47] Speaker 2: He's gone. Right, now you're rebuilding next year?
[20:55] Speaker 4: So they can go from five to four seed.
[20:59] Speaker 3: That'd be great. As of right now, I don't think...
[21:02] Speaker 3: They're a second option away from.
[21:05] Speaker 2: They're a second option away from being a second option.
[21:08] Speaker 2: So you don't think Scottie Barnes is a second option? Hey, Scottie,
[21:12] Speaker 2: you watching this? And I'm not saying Scottie Barnes can't
[21:15] Speaker 2: turn into... Hey, Scottie, you watching this, buddy? How you
[21:17] Speaker 2: feeling about the small ball? It went small ball. Oh!
[21:20] Speaker 2: I hope he is. Hey, Scott. Kawhi at the fourth. Hey.
[21:23] Speaker 2: I hope he is. 24-9 assists, six boards in the playoff.
[21:26] Speaker 3: We're watching a totally different player. I'm not used to it.
[21:30] Speaker 3: 24-9 assists, six rebounds, 38% from three, 50% from three. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[21:34] Speaker 2: Just the same. Take a game. But only three attempts. Three.
[21:36] Speaker 2: That's all you need. That's what I'm telling y'all. Exactly.
[21:40] Speaker 2: But he got nine and six, though. And you better
[21:43] Speaker 2: hope he don't make eight. All right. All right. I've
[21:48] Speaker 2: been playing with that superstar next to you, bro. That's
[21:51] Speaker 2: what it is. Yeah. Did you know that? I don't
[21:53] Speaker 2: even like shooting threes. Ask the Atlanta Hawks, can I
[21:56] Speaker 2: shoot three? It looks like I like this. I'm E. Bro, bro,
[22:00] Speaker 2: throw me another one. Throw me another one.
[22:02] Speaker 3: I don't know why they doubling you and leaving me,
[22:04] Speaker 3: but I've been waiting.
[22:05] Speaker 2: To do this. Huh? Now that's the difference. Yeah, what?
[22:09] Speaker 2: I think Scottie Barnes is a player. So Scottie Barnes
[22:12] Speaker 2: has to be James Harden. So you lose your second option.
[22:15] Speaker 6: You don't have to be hard in there.
[22:18] Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What I'm saying is Kawhi is just
[22:22] Speaker 2: a scorer. He is just coming to it.
[22:24] Speaker 3: He's old school, but he can go off the floppy action.
[22:28] Speaker 2: But who is getting the ball to the rest of
[22:30] Speaker 2: the team? Scottie Barnes. So now Scottie Barnes has to
[22:34] Speaker 2: be the middle man. Emmanuel. No, Emmanuel getting the ball. No,
[22:38] Speaker 2: so he's technically the third. Emmanuel getting the ball. Emmanuel who? No,
[22:41] Speaker 2: he giving him out.
[22:42] Speaker 3: No, no, no.
[22:43] Speaker 2: So R.J. Barrett has to be the middle man. He's
[22:45] Speaker 2: not looking to pass. No, R.J.
[22:46] Speaker 4: Barrett has to be the score now. Bro, that big
[22:49] Speaker 4: pick and roll would be crazy. And Scottie Barnes is
[22:51] Speaker 4: the one that gets it from Kawhi to give it
[22:53] Speaker 4: over here.
[22:53] Speaker 2: Bro, they're inefficient. God, he's got a pick and roll
[22:56] Speaker 2: for Kawhi. They got it. I told you. They're very light.
[23:00] Speaker 3: It's almost like having the same three guys.
[23:03] Speaker 4: You remember, Kawhi averaged 28 last year.
[23:06] Speaker 2: Remember, there's a James Harden on the team. When he
[23:09] Speaker 2: came back.
[23:09] Speaker 4: Because James Harden is the one that keeps him happy
[23:12] Speaker 4: and everybody else.
[23:13] Speaker 3: Right.
[23:14] Speaker 2: So that means Scottie Barnes, one of the most.
[23:18] Speaker 4: Solid. Overall player, right? He has to now rely on R.J.
[23:24] Speaker 4: Barrett to be the guarantee.
[23:26] Speaker 2: Distributor? Oh, scorer. The scorer, my bad. Scorer. All he's
[23:30] Speaker 2: going to do is shoot, bro. He had his best
[23:33] Speaker 2: playoff shot. They're going to possibly make it to the
[23:37] Speaker 2: fourth or fifth seed. And good luck, bro. What was
[23:41] Speaker 2: his best? Summer, trade him somewhere else. All right. We're
[23:44] Speaker 2: going to revisit this. Unless they get another superstar over there.
[23:47] Speaker 2: I love it, man. They're going to get a Kyrie Irving.
[23:52] Speaker 2: There you go. That makes it totally different. That's a
[23:55] Speaker 2: different conversation. But he is 34. 35. Give me 40-year-old Kyrie.
[24:04] Speaker 2: Give me Uncle Drew. Exactly. Give me old-ass 60-year-old Kyrie.
[24:09] Speaker 2: What the fuck are you talking about? Fuck it. You
[24:11] Speaker 2: say you didn't watch the Raptors, but... You got all
[24:13] Speaker 2: that over there. Very informed about the Toronto Raptors. Oh, no, no,
[24:16] Speaker 2: because the Lakers played them, and then I had to
[24:17] Speaker 2: watch them locking it up. Ah, man. Don't pass it
[24:23] Speaker 2: to the room. You better get this. All I'm... Like
[24:25] Speaker 2: I said, we know how Kawhi want to play. He
[24:28] Speaker 2: want to ice. The Toronto Raptors were probably one of
[24:31] Speaker 2: the bottom three teams as far as shooting threes last year.
[24:35] Speaker 2: every team is going to say, okay, we're going to
[24:36] Speaker 2: load up on you and make you beat us with
[24:38] Speaker 2: your weakness, make you play basically left-handed. And so that's
[24:41] Speaker 2: going to be their problem. Like, can Scottie knock down threes?
[24:43] Speaker 2: I hope he can, but he normally shoots 30. They're
[24:46] Speaker 2: going to give him them shots. They're going to give
[24:47] Speaker 2: RJ those shots because it's all about probabilities in the playoffs.
[24:51] Speaker 2: The probability of Kawhi playing one-on-one against our guy is
[24:53] Speaker 2: not in our favor. The probability of you shooting that
[24:56] Speaker 2: corner three, we like them odds, and that's what they're
[24:58] Speaker 2: going to do. If Toronto's hitting shots, they can win
[25:00] Speaker 2: a couple rounds. If they're not hitting shots, they can
[25:03] Speaker 2: be gone first.
[25:03] Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like Evan was saying, if it was
[25:06] Speaker 3: me and I'm playing against the Toronto Raptors, I'm like,
[25:11] Speaker 3: let's get this shit over with quick in five games
[25:14] Speaker 3: at the most. Oh, I'm not going to be playing
[25:18] Speaker 3: with Kawhi down the stretch. I don't feel like doing this.
[25:21] Speaker 3: And I feel like if you play chicken in the playoffs,
[25:24] Speaker 3: sometimes it work in your favor to where everybody finna
[25:26] Speaker 3: be sitting here. Like how he keep winning. Like, bro,
[25:29] Speaker 3: it's matchups at the end of the day. I just
[25:31] Speaker 3: feel like, If you can get.
[25:32] Speaker 2: Him out of here in five, you get them out
[25:34] Speaker 2: of here in four, cool.
[25:35] Speaker 3: But like he said, I wouldn't want to be in
[25:38] Speaker 3: no real series with Kawhi and Scottie Barnes.
[25:41] Speaker 2: Hell no.
[25:42] Speaker 3: Kawhi, Scottie Barnes, and R.J. Barrett, that's 6'8 to 6'9.
[25:47] Speaker 2: That's annoying. You got to play short. You got to
[25:50] Speaker 2: play short. You say it's unlimited off the floor.
[25:53] Speaker 3: If you have, like, playing with Bron, playing with Melo,
[25:57] Speaker 3: a 6'9 guy that can move is just, it's hard
[26:01] Speaker 3: to deal with it. You have to do so much
[26:04] Speaker 3: to just have to.
[26:06] Speaker 2: Say, okay, this is just so he don't fuck us up.
[26:08] Speaker 2: But when they're not great at anything, it's a little
[26:10] Speaker 2: bit easier to do.
[26:11] Speaker 3: I totally get that. I'm just saying after seeing them
[26:13] Speaker 3: in the playoffs.
[26:14] Speaker 2: I'm not running Scottie Barnes off the three. I'm closing
[26:16] Speaker 2: out short. If you would have took the playoffs last
[26:18] Speaker 2: year and replaced... Shoot that broke-ass shit.
[26:20] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
[26:21] Speaker 2: Shit, R.J. Barrett sent it to overtime. That's what I'm saying.
[26:23] Speaker 3: They act like they wasn't playing this. That's what they
[26:26] Speaker 3: did last year. And y'all talk about Scottie Barnes. A
[26:29] Speaker 3: dude that can't shoot threes.
[26:31] Speaker 2: Know how to hoop, bro. I'm a fan of Scottie Barnes.
[26:34] Speaker 3: He's talking about, I ain't finish you regardless.
[26:37] Speaker 2: Talking about, let me shoot. I'm finna do it. He
[26:39] Speaker 2: averaged nine assists. Bro, I'm finna do it. No, no, no.
[26:42] Speaker 2: But if Ingram's still there and Scottie is the third option...
[26:47] Speaker 2: Now you have a dangerous team. Listen, they got lucky. B.I.
[26:50] Speaker 2: was off. You know what I mean? But you hope
[26:52] Speaker 2: that R.J. Barrett develops a little bit more, bro. He's
[26:54] Speaker 2: still balling. And I said that earlier.
[26:56] Speaker 3: You don't know what he's turning into.
[26:59] Speaker 2: Did you see him in the playoff? He has never
[27:02] Speaker 2: been that off. Even if he's taking three and he shoots.
[27:04] Speaker 2: One at a time. One at a time. One at
[27:06] Speaker 2: a time. He's now got to shoot. Uh-oh. There we go, Paolo.
[27:09] Speaker 2: Hold on. You said B.I. has never been off. B.I.
[27:12] Speaker 2: was off the last time he was in the playoffs
[27:13] Speaker 2: in New Orleans.
[27:14] Speaker 3: I'm saying he ain't never been that off. He had
[27:16] Speaker 3: open looks. He had things.
[27:19] Speaker 2: Hold on. The last two times B.I. has been in
[27:21] Speaker 2: the playoffs, he has not played well. If you pull
[27:23] Speaker 2: up the numbers, he didn't play well when he was
[27:25] Speaker 2: in New Orleans. That's why he played. I know they're
[27:27] Speaker 2: playing against OKC, but he did not play well. This
[27:30] Speaker 2: first round against Cleveland for Toronto, he did not play well.
[27:34] Speaker 2: His last two playoff series were not good.
[27:36] Speaker 6: Can we also just argue like he didn't have a
[27:39] Speaker 6: good second? I didn't say he had a good second.
[27:41] Speaker 2: Good second, but his numbers weren't what they normally are.
[27:46] Speaker 2: He didn't play well. That's all I'm saying. He didn't
[27:48] Speaker 2: play well. Whether he played well in the past, whether
[27:51] Speaker 2: it's some new shit, I don't know.
[27:52] Speaker 3: What I'm saying is if you watch B.I. all year
[27:55] Speaker 3: and you was the Toronto Raptors, you're like, when we.
[27:57] Speaker 2: Get to the playoffs... He can get us a bucket
[28:00] Speaker 2: down the stretch. Oh, hold on. But we also know
[28:03] Speaker 2: that the regular season, guys that get buckets in the
[28:06] Speaker 2: regular season, as opposed to guys that get buckets in
[28:08] Speaker 2: the playoffs, is different. Without a doubt. So what I'm
[28:10] Speaker 2: saying is, I don't know. He's only been to the
[28:12] Speaker 2: playoffs one other time. He's been there twice. Both times.
[28:16] Speaker 2: When that weather started changing, when the pollen started coming
[28:19] Speaker 2: off the trees, I don't know if he got allergies
[28:21] Speaker 2: or what, but his game switched. You like that one.
[28:25] Speaker 2: I saw you smile. I got you. You like that one.
[28:27] Speaker 2: But all I'm saying is that when the weather started switching,
[28:30] Speaker 2: when the game slowed down, When they allow you to
[28:35] Speaker 2: get real physical, his game is about fighting to the mid-range.
[28:40] Speaker 2: He's a slim player that fights to the mid-range. And
[28:42] Speaker 2: in the regular season, the officials will let you get there.
[28:45] Speaker 2: Then in the postseason, for some reason, it's a different whistle.
[28:48] Speaker 2: They let a lot more hand-to-hand combat go. And the
[28:51] Speaker 2: last two times Brandon Ingram has been involved in the playoffs,
[28:55] Speaker 2: if you pull up his numbers, shooting percentages have plummeted.
[28:58] Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. So I don't know. if his
[29:01] Speaker 2: game translates to the playoffs. I'm not hating. I'm just
[29:03] Speaker 2: saying I don't know.
[29:04] Speaker 3: I think it would as a second option, not a
[29:06] Speaker 3: first option.
[29:07] Speaker 2: Hey, that's fine.
[29:07] Speaker 3: I'm saying I've watched plenty of players go through the
[29:10] Speaker 3: league and have struggles their first couple of playoffs. They
[29:14] Speaker 3: don't play well, but that's what drives them to keep
[29:17] Speaker 3: working their ass off.
[29:18] Speaker 2: For sure. 35% from the field in 2024, 33% from
[29:20] Speaker 2: the field in 2020. Hold on. I'm not going to
[29:21] Speaker 2: knock him the same way I would not.
[29:22] Speaker 3: Like, I get– angry over James Harden getting stuck in
[29:28] Speaker 3: the playoffs and feeling like he needed to get his
[29:31] Speaker 3: ring already because I feel like at the end of
[29:33] Speaker 3: games instead of going to the step back the moment
[29:35] Speaker 3: he go to just laying on the table laying back
[29:38] Speaker 3: and shooting a one two dribble pull-up that they can't stop.
[29:41] Speaker 3: It ain't nothing you can do. You can double do whatever.
[29:43] Speaker 3: It's up to him to make or miss it. Once
[29:45] Speaker 3: he gets to that, I feel like he's going to
[29:47] Speaker 3: be in another conversation no matter if he's on the
[29:50] Speaker 3: later part.
[29:50] Speaker 2: I agree, but hold on. Hold on. Hold on one second. Hey, Joe. Joe,
[29:53] Speaker 2: what was it? It's going to be able to carry
[29:55] Speaker 2: you there.
[29:56] Speaker 3: All you have to do is figure out the last
[29:58] Speaker 3: five minutes of a game. He didn't have the ball
[30:01] Speaker 3: every single play for the pass.
[30:03] Speaker 2: Joe, what was it? Hold on. What was it? I know.
[30:05] Speaker 3: It seemed like that because you saw four turnovers. But
[30:08] Speaker 3: if four turnovers was four shot attempts of James Harden saying,
[30:11] Speaker 3: I'm going to take two dribbles, I'm going to go
[30:13] Speaker 3: right here, it ain't shit you can.
[30:15] Speaker 2: Do about it. This is 400. Hold on. This is 400.
[30:18] Speaker 2: That's fine.
[30:18] Speaker 3: All I'm saying is if James does that and takes
[30:21] Speaker 3: away the turnovers, you're looking at a different outcome for
[30:24] Speaker 3: James Harden.
[30:25] Speaker 2: That's what the playoffs is. But we're not talking about James.
[30:27] Speaker 2: We're talking about B.I. What was B.I. 's number?
[30:29] Speaker 1: So 2024 shot 35% from the field in the playoffs,
[30:32] Speaker 1: four games, and then this postseason.
[30:35] Speaker 2: He shot 33%. That's all I'm saying. That's the only
[30:38] Speaker 2: thing I'm saying. I know that. 35 and 33.
[30:41] Speaker 3: Now, all I'm saying is if you take Kawhi and
[30:45] Speaker 3: put him in B.I.
[30:46] Speaker 2: 's spot, does Toronto go home? I'm with you. That's
[30:51] Speaker 2: what I was saying. I like Kawhi. I said they're
[30:53] Speaker 2: a scary team. You don't want to play them in
[30:57] Speaker 2: the first round. I like when the weather changes. Yeah,
[31:00] Speaker 2: I knew you would. But I'm just saying. I understand
[31:04] Speaker 2: that there's levels of this, and I think they're a
[31:06] Speaker 2: good playoff team. I don't think they're a championship team.
[31:10] Speaker 2: And when Kawhi gets to cooking, I think they're going
[31:12] Speaker 2: to shrink the court. This is one of the worst
[31:14] Speaker 2: three-point shooting teams in the NBA. That's going to be
[31:16] Speaker 2: their demise.
[31:17] Speaker 1: And no Ingram in game six or seven either in
[31:19] Speaker 1: this postseason. You heard his planter fashion, right?
[31:22] Speaker 2: Yeah. Because, I mean, his first year in the playoffs,
[31:24] Speaker 2: he had 27-6-6. Shooting what? 27-6-6, shooting 45%. Who? B.I. Okay.
[31:32] Speaker 2: So he is a playoff player. I'm saying the last two. Joe,
[31:36] Speaker 2: what did he shoot the last two, Joe? It's hard
[31:38] Speaker 2: to play in the playoffs if everybody I pass to
[31:41] Speaker 2: can't shoot. Exactly. So, I mean, let's just be honest.
[31:45] Speaker 2: If I'm trying to get on the ISO and I
[31:47] Speaker 2: got to pass to somebody who can't shoot, now I
[31:50] Speaker 2: don't want to pass. Real talk. Real talk.
[31:53] Speaker 3: It becomes harder. People don't understand that, too. It's like
[31:56] Speaker 3: you said. The court is short. I'm a mid-range guy.
[32:01] Speaker 4: So I'm a mid-range guy, so I'm trying to get
[32:03] Speaker 4: to this mid-range, and I can't now because I'm loaded up.
[32:07] Speaker 2: But that's what we're saying about Kawhi. Just put it.
[32:10] Speaker 3: Like this right here.
[32:12] Speaker 2: When you were on the wings... It was over with
[32:15] Speaker 2: everybody around him. One at a time, gentlemen. That's what
[32:18] Speaker 2: we're saying. When the court shrinks, it's going to be
[32:19] Speaker 2: so much harder. Think about when You on the Wiz. Mm-hmm.
[32:22] Speaker 2: They started shrinking that court. When they wasn't guarding me
[32:25] Speaker 2: and calling me, how tough was life for you? Oh, yeah.
[32:28] Speaker 2: Life was tough, man.
[32:29] Speaker 6: Hey, man.
[32:29] Speaker 2: Woo! They like throw it to Haywood. We dare you. Like, no,
[32:35] Speaker 2: that's where they want the ball to go. You still
[32:37] Speaker 2: trying to get yours off, dribbling through that tight. Man,
[32:39] Speaker 2: you saw what happened with the heat did to us.
[32:41] Speaker 2: Shrink that court. Make that ball go over there. Real talk.
[32:44] Speaker 2: Make it out of bounds. Because we know Karan can boogie,
[32:46] Speaker 2: but Karan wants to get, he wants to jab step.
[32:48] Speaker 2: So we're like, okay, he don't want to catch and shoot.
[32:50] Speaker 2: Brenda's not a scorer. Kwame's not a scorer. All right, Gil.
[32:54] Speaker 2: Court shrunk. What you going to do? You out there
[32:55] Speaker 2: is like, ooh, look like I'm playing one on three.
[32:57] Speaker 2: That's different. That's different. Yeah. That's different. That's what Kawhi
[33:02] Speaker 2: is going to see until the weak side guys prove
[33:05] Speaker 2: that that coverage won't work. Kawhi been seeing that.
[33:08] Speaker 4: And that's why I don't like dudes that just play
[33:11] Speaker 4: defense on the court.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Yeah. Because people don't understand. Wait, what? Coaches don't understand.
[33:17] Speaker 2: I feel attacked. No, no, no. Hey, Boogie. Hey, Boogie,
[33:19] Speaker 2: I feel attacked. No, no, no. Wait, what? He don't
[33:22] Speaker 2: like what? No, I'm talking about at the guard position.
[33:25] Speaker 2: At the guard position. You're just a guy out there
[33:28] Speaker 2: playing defense. You don't realize how hard.
[33:31] Speaker 4: You just made the game where there's a guy out
[33:34] Speaker 4: there who can't do nothing offensively, meaning now I can
[33:38] Speaker 4: just sit there and look.
[33:39] Speaker 2: Pass it to him. We haven't even mentioned Jacob Porter
[33:42] Speaker 2: or whatever. Yeah, whatever his name is. He's on the
[33:46] Speaker 2: floor as well.
[33:46] Speaker 3: That's going to be tough.
[33:48] Speaker 2: That's nasty. Because most of the time now, you've got
[33:53] Speaker 2: to stretch five. You've got strong corners shooting threes. The
[33:56] Speaker 2: game is basically played like a triangle. You've got your
[33:58] Speaker 2: stretch five or your stretch four at the top. You've
[34:00] Speaker 2: got shooters in the corner and your best players in
[34:02] Speaker 2: the middle of that triangle causing a damn problem.
[34:05] Speaker 3: Plenty of games where they done did that to me
[34:07] Speaker 3: where I've told them I don't feel like shooting no
[34:08] Speaker 3: more threes.
[34:09] Speaker 2: I'm done.
[34:11] Speaker 3: They done came, set that ball screen. I went right
[34:14] Speaker 3: up there, right behind Tristan. You going to try and hide?
[34:16] Speaker 2: Nope. They going full speed off the, like, say you
[34:19] Speaker 2: was getting it going. Nope. You going to guard Gil today.
[34:21] Speaker 2: We're not doing that. If y'all going to back off me, cool.
[34:24] Speaker 2: I'm going to come set a screen on you, backing off.
[34:27] Speaker 2: He's going to go down. It's that perk screen that
[34:28] Speaker 2: he used to run for Russ. We're going to do that.
[34:31] Speaker 3: But it's like, as a basketball player, you're just going
[34:33] Speaker 3: to have to figure that out. I don't think that
[34:34] Speaker 3: they're bad basketball players. Nobody said it was bad. I
[34:37] Speaker 3: feel like we talking like.
[34:39] Speaker 4: They just go sit here and.
[34:40] Speaker 2: Accept that shit. Yes, some of them are bad basketball.
[34:43] Speaker 2: I think they're bad fits.
[34:46] Speaker 4: When we played that talented guy who was gifted, but
[34:52] Speaker 4: dumb as shit, couldn't remember to play, he got to
[34:55] Speaker 4: sit on the bench because he couldn't remember nothing.
[34:57] Speaker 2: They have to play now. It's called five out. They
[35:00] Speaker 2: don't run plays.
[35:02] Speaker 4: So dumb basketball players get to be out there. They're
[35:04] Speaker 4: super talented, but they are not smart enough to know, hey,
[35:08] Speaker 4: I can't shoot.
[35:09] Speaker 2: You know what?
[35:09] Speaker 4: If I can go set a back screen and do
[35:12] Speaker 4: all this and come to the ball, I'm the passer.
[35:14] Speaker 2: They don't understand that.
[35:15] Speaker 4: They just going to sit in the corner and just
[35:17] Speaker 4: be like.
[35:18] Speaker 3: We start realizing that on field. Like, bro, they doing this.
[35:21] Speaker 3: They trying to get me to shoot this shot. I
[35:23] Speaker 3: could just set a flare for J.R. They're not guarding me. Like,
[35:26] Speaker 3: they're not even looking at me. They so focused on Melo,
[35:29] Speaker 3: I could just set this slam screen.
[35:31] Speaker 2: But you just got more credit, Sean. But Sean, you
[35:33] Speaker 2: ain't going to get no credit. It's just like, that's
[35:35] Speaker 2: how you go stay on the court. If you can't shoot.
[35:37] Speaker 2: That's why you were on the court. You deserve it.
[35:38] Speaker 2: It's like, bro, we ain't got time for this. I
[35:40] Speaker 2: done missed three straight.
[35:41] Speaker 3: Y'all think I'm going to keep chucking this and playing
[35:43] Speaker 3: in their head?
[35:44] Speaker 2: Hell no. Swish, come shoot this bitch, bro. It goes
[35:46] Speaker 2: back to what Gilbert just said, though, Sean. You've always
[35:48] Speaker 2: had a high basketball IQ. The only year I played
[35:52] Speaker 2: with you, I'm like, okay, Sean know how to play. Mm-hmm.
[35:54] Speaker 2: Some guys, when they... Some guys... R.J. Barrett not doing it.
[35:56] Speaker 2: Some guys, when you put them in the corner, they don't...
[35:59] Speaker 2: That screen you're talking about setting, what's that? Hey, man,
[36:02] Speaker 2: a cutback, what's that? I don't know where to go.
[36:05] Speaker 2: That's hard to believe. Have you watched the guy? Have
[36:07] Speaker 2: you watched the new NBA? There's a lot of guys
[36:09] Speaker 2: that don't know how to play like that. Believe it, bro.
[36:12] Speaker 2: You don't believe? Some of these guys. How many 6A.
[36:14] Speaker 6: Dudes have three in the midst of the game?
[36:17] Speaker 2: It's one trick, one skill, bro.
[36:19] Speaker 4: They're getting special.
[36:22] Speaker 2: They get out there in the playoffs with the big eyes.
[36:25] Speaker 2: The lights get bright. That popcorn get extra buttery. They
[36:28] Speaker 2: don't be knowing where to go. Young fella, y'all need
[36:30] Speaker 2: to go get in that field room, dog. I'm telling you.
[36:32] Speaker 2: Coaches became lazy. It's a world of things you can do.
[36:35] Speaker 2: You ain't got to settle for that, Trey Paul. They
[36:37] Speaker 2: be telling them to take them shots now. Yeah, I
[36:41] Speaker 2: get that. I totally get the position. They be working on, hey,
[36:43] Speaker 2: shoot them shots. As long as the shots go up, cool.
[36:45] Speaker 2: It's like, I just don't like nobody. You got career
[36:47] Speaker 2: 32 points. You got guys that shoot 32% for their
[36:50] Speaker 2: career shooting eight threes. I ain't never done that. They
[36:53] Speaker 2: be working on that. That's the new game. I'm hurting
[36:56] Speaker 2: the team. I do that shit. I just shot 45%
[36:59] Speaker 2: my whole life. Now, you're talking about E.T. shoot more. No,
[37:02] Speaker 2: do better. When we lost to y'all, Portland versus New Orleans,
[37:08] Speaker 2: why did we lose? Perfect example.
[37:10] Speaker 6: They're trapping Dame. Who they got in the corner? Who
[37:12] Speaker 6: was spanking y'all all year? No, we got rid of
[37:14] Speaker 6: y'all a couple few times.
[37:15] Speaker 2: No, you didn't. Before you got hurt, what occurred? We
[37:19] Speaker 2: spanked y'all all year.
[37:20] Speaker 3: So how are we ahead of y'all?
[37:22] Speaker 7: Let's look that up later on. We spanked y'all all year.
[37:25] Speaker 7: There could be some other teams. You don't remember the
[37:28] Speaker 7: lob to the 360? That's a good one. We spanked
[37:31] Speaker 7: y'all all year.
[37:33] Speaker 2: My brother, no you're not. It was Harlem Globetrotters. No, no, no, no. No, no.
[37:38] Speaker 2: Not the Washington Generals. Not the Washington Generals. Come on.
[37:41] Speaker 6: How many kids have never been spoken about that ever
[37:43] Speaker 6: in franchise history?
[37:44] Speaker 3: That's fine.
[37:45] Speaker 2: But that year? No, you did it the one game
[37:47] Speaker 2: before you got hurt. This is when you were in Boston?
[37:49] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[37:49] Speaker 3: I'm saying one game you went absolutely berserk. This is
[37:52] Speaker 3: when you were in Portland or Boston? I have always
[37:54] Speaker 3: been against Portland. Even before I got.
[37:56] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[37:57] Speaker 5: Even before I got there. When it was the combination
[37:59] Speaker 5: of us two, we spanked y'all. The entire, y'all never
[38:02] Speaker 5: won a game.
[38:03] Speaker 2: Oh my Lord. 1,000%. We're going to look that up.
[38:06] Speaker 2: Look it up. I mean, I don't want to talk
[38:07] Speaker 2: about my age. I would love that. At all. It's
[38:10] Speaker 2: going to be like DeMarcus, 40, Evan, 5. I'm cool
[38:15] Speaker 2: on that. But what I'm saying, moving forward. You did
[38:17] Speaker 2: give the Blazers 55 when you were with the Kings. Ooh, 55.
[38:20] Speaker 2: That's strong right there. It was getting ridiculous.
[38:23] Speaker 3: That was the game, bro.
[38:26] Speaker 6: But I'm saying when you go into that situation, we
[38:28] Speaker 6: kind of had that moment where they were trapping Dane.
[38:30] Speaker 6: Trapping CJ, so now you got myself and a couple
[38:33] Speaker 6: other members I want to bring up where it was
[38:35] Speaker 6: just like it came to the point of being like, yo,
[38:37] Speaker 6: we in trouble if I'm shooting five threes a game
[38:39] Speaker 6: as opposed to setting up a different type of offense
[38:42] Speaker 6: to get Dame going, get Dame to receive the shots.
[38:44] Speaker 6: We played right into y'all hands, and it's like, dog,
[38:48] Speaker 6: niggas ain't shot threes all year. Like, this is what
[38:50] Speaker 6: we finna do in these four days? Like, you know
[38:52] Speaker 6: what I'm saying? And that shows up, and that molds well.
[38:55] Speaker 6: But I feel as though, like, the coaching and preparation
[38:57] Speaker 6: isn't just like, yo, this player's limited. It's like, where
[39:00] Speaker 6: can we put them in position to be successful? And
[39:03] Speaker 6: that's where we say coaches get a little lazy, not
[39:05] Speaker 6: dissing them, but it's like, those moments come prior to April,
[39:09] Speaker 6: prior to when the weather changes. It's like, yo, what
[39:11] Speaker 6: can they do? Realistically, ET going to shoot 37% this year?
[39:16] Speaker 2: No.
[39:16] Speaker 6: He plays a certain type of way, so when we
[39:19] Speaker 6: went into the playoffs and all you got to do
[39:20] Speaker 6: is trap Dane, that's just small-minded.
[39:23] Speaker 2: Right, man. Yeah, they should have had you flashing middle. No,
[39:27] Speaker 2: I'm just sitting. Even if he flashed middle, who the
[39:29] Speaker 2: ball going to?
[39:30] Speaker 5: Moe Harkless? Myers Leonard? That's exactly what we wanted. And
[39:36] Speaker 5: then it's going to go right to Evan. That's why
[39:39] Speaker 5: they got swept.
[39:40] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[39:41] Speaker 3: I'm saying it's not going to go to him shooting threes.
[39:43] Speaker 3: It's going to go to him when he's flashing. Even
[39:45] Speaker 3: if he goes middle, who's he swinging it to?
[39:49] Speaker 2: Oh, you got C.J. and Dame. You can't double. It's C.J.
[39:52] Speaker 2: and Dame to where it's like, I know where y'all
[39:54] Speaker 2: going to be at. He's just telling you they did double.
[39:56] Speaker 2: It's going to be one-on-one from right here. He's telling
[39:58] Speaker 2: you in that series they did double. They said, okay,
[40:00] Speaker 2: we're not going to double up. And he's saying they
[40:02] Speaker 2: had him in the corner to shoot threes. Yeah, not
[40:05] Speaker 2: in the middle of the floor where he's good, but.
[40:07] Speaker 3: It's like we're so we all say the same thing
[40:11] Speaker 3: coaching me through it like.
[40:17] Speaker 2: But that's the difference between Basketball players and just people
[40:21] Speaker 2: doing offense. Yeah, right so you may trap numbers We're.
[40:25] Speaker 4: Gonna trap you what the other three gonna do what
[40:27] Speaker 4: y'all teach them all year.
[40:28] Speaker 2: I Yeah, what rhythm? We're trapping you this series. Y'all
[40:33] Speaker 2: ain't both been trapped all year. What you gonna do?
[40:36] Speaker 2: You don't have an actual offense. And this is what
[40:40] Speaker 2: basketball misses. The triangle wasn't meant for Michael Jordan.
[40:45] Speaker 4: It was meant for everybody else to move so you
[40:48] Speaker 4: couldn't double. Single like Michael Jordan. So if you're not
[40:53] Speaker 4: gonna play these motions, right easy lazy easy keeps you
[40:57] Speaker 4: honest That's what the office is made for the office
[41:00] Speaker 4: is made for your team to move and get easy
[41:04] Speaker 4: stuff and your star is is going to play his
[41:07] Speaker 4: one-on-one and take advantage of his man. So where is
[41:10] Speaker 4: the offense for everybody's team? Golden State has one.
[41:15] Speaker 2: For sure. Move around, move around. Draymond drives. You don't
[41:18] Speaker 2: want to help you do this. Like, they have that.
[41:20] Speaker 4: But it's for everybody else to play defense and be honest.
[41:24] Speaker 2: That's an incredible point because I called a lot of
[41:27] Speaker 2: college basketball last year, and I do pro. And the
[41:30] Speaker 2: one difference I see is what you just brought up.
[41:32] Speaker 2: Offensive identity. If you watch a college game, Duke don't
[41:35] Speaker 2: play like Carolina, Carolina don't play like Michigan, and Michigan
[41:38] Speaker 2: don't play like Nebraska or whoever else, or Kansas, right?
[41:42] Speaker 2: But you watch an NBA game, everybody plays the same.
[41:45] Speaker 2: But it didn't used to be like that. Because when
[41:48] Speaker 2: we came in the league, the Nets were running to Princeton.
[41:50] Speaker 2: The Lakers were running to Triangle. Then you had Sacramento
[41:54] Speaker 2: running to high post offense. Golden State running gun. Golden
[41:57] Speaker 2: State running gun. Low post offense, cross screens. Dallas 5 out.
[42:02] Speaker 2: Everybody played to their strengths because they said, this is
[42:04] Speaker 2: what we do. And then you know what happened? Everybody
[42:06] Speaker 2: came in with the iPads and everything else and analytics.
[42:11] Speaker 2: And they say, hey, we want to be pacing space
[42:13] Speaker 2: and shoot threes mid-pick-and-roll spread game. The whole NBA plays
[42:17] Speaker 2: like that. So to your point, that's the offense that
[42:19] Speaker 2: we're missing. Offensive identity has left the league.
[42:23] Speaker 3: I love what you said, though, because you said something that, honestly,
[42:26] Speaker 3: even the whole time I played, I don't think I
[42:28] Speaker 3: ever realized that our offense is not meant for the superstar.
[42:32] Speaker 3: It's meant for the– well, if it's going to be
[42:33] Speaker 3: a successful offense, it's actually run for the other guy.
[42:38] Speaker 2: For sure. The star can get hit at any time.
[42:40] Speaker 3: But it's so they are organized when it go down
[42:43] Speaker 3: for the star.
[42:44] Speaker 2: And that's fucking crazy, because I played my whole career.
[42:49] Speaker 2: I always felt like they built this shit for bras.
[42:52] Speaker 3: This shit is for Kyrie like a motherfucker.
[42:55] Speaker 2: It ain't got nothing to do with me. No, it's
[42:57] Speaker 2: for you. It's for me? See, Lou, you did this
[42:59] Speaker 2: for me? No, I don't know. It was for me.
[43:01] Speaker 2: It was for you.
[43:05] Speaker 3: So you knew where to be?
[43:09] Speaker 2: So you knew where to be.
[43:09] Speaker 3: That's some all shit. That's an all shit moment for me.
[43:12] Speaker 3: Because I'm like, you trying to get me out the
[43:14] Speaker 3: way so they can do they shit. That's what I'm thinking.
[43:16] Speaker 3: But it's like, nigga, if I could replay it now,
[43:19] Speaker 3: it's like, bro, I want to be the guy that
[43:21] Speaker 3: they like, let him beat us.
[43:22] Speaker 2: Because I had them.
[43:23] Speaker 3: Games in the playoffs. And it's like, when I look
[43:25] Speaker 3: back on it, it's like, damn, bro, I was pissed
[43:26] Speaker 3: off that game. I was blue.
[43:29] Speaker 2: You was already mad.
[43:30] Speaker 3: Because I'm like, yeah, I'm irritated from two games ago
[43:33] Speaker 3: when I couldn't get off and I'm just standing here.
[43:36] Speaker 2: We done went to the next series.
[43:38] Speaker 3: And then it's like you finally play a game where
[43:39] Speaker 3: it's like they, I done got eight threes this game
[43:42] Speaker 3: and I hit six.
[43:43] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[43:43] Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, hooray, we closing out.
[43:47] Speaker 2: I'm just now thinking about it like, wow, this nigga T.
[43:49] Speaker 2: Lou set that up for us. For sure. That's crazy
[43:52] Speaker 2: as hell. He knew they was going to be tilted
[43:53] Speaker 2: doing that. You're learning even after basketball. That's sick as hell.
[43:57] Speaker 2: But it take a nigga like Gil to do it.
[43:59] Speaker 2: He was one of them niggas that I thought when
[44:01] Speaker 2: they was building the office. He's looking at it like, nigga,
[44:04] Speaker 2: this shit ain't for me. Right.
[44:13] Speaker 4: But I had looked at I was like wait, how's
[44:16] Speaker 4: the game faster? Shooting we shot what fourteen seven threes
[44:21] Speaker 4: in our day. Yeah averaging a hundred six hundred five
[44:25] Speaker 4: They shooting forty.
[44:26] Speaker 2: To fifty threes.
[44:29] Speaker 4: But averaging 100, 115, 110, there's some games that's motherfucking 95.
[44:34] Speaker 2: Like, how? Oh, your bad shooters are shooting. Exactly. I'm
[44:41] Speaker 2: looking at this, and it's like, well, who else you
[44:42] Speaker 2: wanted to shoot? The nigga I pay. Curry shot seven
[44:50] Speaker 2: threes then. He shoots 10 now. We shoot 40 more
[44:54] Speaker 2: as a team.
[44:55] Speaker 4: He better shoot 25 of them.
[44:59] Speaker 2: I need him shooting.
[45:00] Speaker 4: I don't need Kaminga taking 10 threes, Draymond taking five.
[45:04] Speaker 2: Draymond taking more than Ray Allen took. I need seven steps.
[45:08] Speaker 2: If you're going to take more, shoot them more. I
[45:10] Speaker 2: get it. We need more shots. We need more shots.
[45:12] Speaker 2: So when we go back to a.
[45:13] Speaker 5: Guy like Scottie Barnes, who's shooting a great percentage at
[45:15] Speaker 5: three a game, and now he has to go from
[45:18] Speaker 5: six to eight a game?
[45:19] Speaker 2: Way to go. That's a great callback. That's a great callback.
[45:22] Speaker 6: He's not going from six to eight because Scottie Barnes
[45:25] Speaker 6: knows his game.
[45:26] Speaker 2: There's certain people that know their game. That's right. You
[45:28] Speaker 2: know your game. That's what I'm saying.
[45:30] Speaker 3: Instead of being in the corner, you can backdoor and
[45:33] Speaker 3: get an oomph.
[45:33] Speaker 2: Not for scheme.
[45:35] Speaker 6: Scottie got a different type of skill set athleticism. One
[45:38] Speaker 6: half step, he's at the rim.
[45:40] Speaker 2: True. Long, cold throw.
[45:40] Speaker 6: He's finishing over everybody. When he looks at people, he's like, bro,
[45:43] Speaker 6: that's a seven-footer. That's a baby. I'm going straight to
[45:46] Speaker 6: that rim. I'm going right to the paint. If I'm
[45:48] Speaker 6: Scottie Barnes, I'm still getting eight free throws. There's a
[45:50] Speaker 6: lot of advantages he has to approach a scheme. It's
[45:54] Speaker 6: just trying to be like, yo, they want me to
[45:56] Speaker 6: shoot tonight. They want me to shoot every single night.
[45:58] Speaker 6: And what I'm finna do, he just averaged nine assists
[46:00] Speaker 6: last play.
[46:01] Speaker 2: He's finna go get to it. It's like 24-9 in
[46:02] Speaker 2: the playoff. We'll see when it's a hot.
[46:04] Speaker 5: It's your third. I'm forgetting about that. Once you get it,
[46:07] Speaker 5: once that trap, once you cross half court and that
[46:09] Speaker 5: trap comes, it's hot potato basketball now.
[46:12] Speaker 2: It's not the same rhythm. It's not the same comfort.
[46:15] Speaker 2: It's got to be. Long dribbling. I'm just saying. I
[46:18] Speaker 2: think Scottie's at his best in a full court transition
[46:24] Speaker 2: type of game.
[46:24] Speaker 6: Once it becomes half court, it's a game. But to
[46:27] Speaker 6: get nine assists with that personnel is impressive, true or false.
[46:30] Speaker 6: That's great. He never played with Kawhi.
[46:33] Speaker 2: He's a baby. Nine assists probably won't be the same
[46:36] Speaker 2: with a guy with Kawhi. Kawhi has the ball in
[46:38] Speaker 2: his hands at all times. Six six. It'll go six.
[46:41] Speaker 5: Yeah, so expecting Scottie to still be the same as
[46:44] Speaker 5: a maker. He might go from nine to maybe seven
[46:50] Speaker 5: Changes it.
[46:51] Speaker 2: Oh, you've got this. I'm delivering not it's like you
[46:54] Speaker 2: say I don't believe the lead Distributor I would make
[46:58] Speaker 2: but that's what I'm saying.
[46:58] Speaker 4: Like there's some people their IQ is it was like
[47:02] Speaker 4: Chris Webber, right? Yeah, I We have a point guard,
[47:04] Speaker 4: but the point guard, baby, you shoot. Just give the
[47:07] Speaker 4: ball to big man. Let big man take everything. Same
[47:10] Speaker 4: thing with Scottie. I would want the ball more in
[47:12] Speaker 4: his hands.
[47:13] Speaker 2: Okay.
[47:13] Speaker 4: Because he's more of a willing guy. Because he's a
[47:15] Speaker 4: willing passer. He knows how to pass. He knows what
[47:16] Speaker 4: he's looking for. I don't even know. Where's the two-man game?
[47:21] Speaker 2: I don't know. That's what I'm there for. I'm saying something.
[47:23] Speaker 2: Where's the two-man? A pick-and-roll with Scottie and Kawhi. And
[47:27] Speaker 2: Kawhi is over. That's what I'm saying.
[47:29] Speaker 3: And then when he rolls, they just don't call the
[47:31] Speaker 3: play because nobody else can shoot.
[47:34] Speaker 2: It's an automatic switch. I want an automatic switch. One
[47:37] Speaker 2: has the better defender on him. Switch and get my
[47:39] Speaker 2: defender on you. Let's go. You don't know yet. We
[47:41] Speaker 2: played Calum Murray. And then you got Jacob. He's also
[47:44] Speaker 2: got four of them. At the rim. Porto's out.
[47:47] Speaker 6: Calum Murray balls got to play a lot more.
[47:50] Speaker 2: Porto's just... Paul's warming up. Big fella coming in, bro.
[47:55] Speaker 2: They lost too much. They lost too much. They don't
[47:56] Speaker 2: really get it. I feel like they're going to have
[47:58] Speaker 2: a sneaky shooter.
[47:59] Speaker 5: They're a good team defensively. They're a second option away
[48:01] Speaker 5: from being the championship team.
[48:03] Speaker 2: I stand.
[48:03] Speaker 4: Now, don't try to move the conversation. You want to
[48:05] Speaker 4: talk about the sorry-ass team.
[48:07] Speaker 1: Sufficient Raptors, talk for the game.
[48:08] Speaker 2: We got other things we got to get to. I forgot.
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[48:20] Speaker 1: I'm trying to segue Jay. We've got a lot of
[48:22] Speaker 1: people on the couch. We had our biggest episode of
[48:25] Speaker 1: the week yesterday.
[48:26] Speaker 2: We got to keep it rolling today. Let's keep it
[48:31] Speaker 2: in the Eastern Conference.
[48:32] Speaker 1: Celtics made a blockbuster trade this summer, sending former Finals MVP,
[48:36] Speaker 1: All-NBA wing, and longest-tenured Celtic Jalen Brown to the Sixers
[48:40] Speaker 1: in exchange for nine-time All-Star Paul George. Boston also got
[48:43] Speaker 1: two first and two second-round picks in the deal. PG's
[48:46] Speaker 1: production has been down since signing a four-year, $ 212 million
[48:48] Speaker 1: deal with the Sixers in 2024. Played in 41 games
[48:52] Speaker 1: his first season in Philly, averaging just 16 points per
[48:54] Speaker 1: game while dealing with knee and adductor injuries. His lowest
[48:57] Speaker 1: point per game average since 2013. Appeared in just 37
[49:00] Speaker 1: games last season, which included a 25-game suspension for violating
[49:04] Speaker 1: the league's anti-drug policy. He released a statement saying he
[49:07] Speaker 1: made a mistake by taking an improper medication while seeking
[49:10] Speaker 1: treatment for a personal mental health issue. So PG and
[49:12] Speaker 1: fellow new Celtic Mike Conley Jr. met with the media
[49:15] Speaker 1: on Tuesday for their introductory press conference. PG was asked
[49:18] Speaker 1: his thoughts about dealing with Celtics' frustration in him replacing
[49:22] Speaker 1: Jalen Brown and whether he's still trying to be a
[49:24] Speaker 1: stoop or superstar.
[49:25] Speaker 2: And he had this response.
[49:26] Speaker 8: It's fair to live with that emotion, given what JB
[49:32] Speaker 8: stood for and what he brought in the history, right?
[49:36] Speaker 8: He was a part of raising a banner and winning
[49:39] Speaker 8: the championship here. So I'm not saying that, you know,
[49:43] Speaker 8: that's going to forever stick.
[49:46] Speaker 2: Right. But it's a new group. It's a new opportunity.
[49:50] Speaker 2: And again, I think.
[49:54] Speaker 8: They're getting someone that's ready to, you know, not fill
[49:59] Speaker 8: the shoes or fill the void of JB. But I
[50:02] Speaker 8: think from a personal standpoint of myself, I think I
[50:05] Speaker 8: can come in and kind of still keep us in
[50:09] Speaker 8: that contention and give us a chance to win. Superstar,
[50:13] Speaker 8: we have a superstar, and that's JT. I'm not here to,
[50:20] Speaker 8: you know... not necessarily still the shine or try to reinvent,
[50:28] Speaker 8: you know, who I am. I'm here to help JT
[50:32] Speaker 8: and he's the guy, right? I played alongside another superstar
[50:38] Speaker 8: wing and we coexisted beautifully. And so I see that with,
[50:44] Speaker 8: you know, myself. I see that with JT, being able
[50:48] Speaker 8: to play off him, being able to help him, being
[50:50] Speaker 8: able to kind of still be a mentor. You know,
[50:55] Speaker 8: so that alone, you know, I can play off another
[51:00] Speaker 8: superstar wing and still bring a presence and still be
[51:05] Speaker 8: on the side of doing everything to win.
[51:09] Speaker 1: RPG saw some of you guys, some mixed emotions, reactions
[51:14] Speaker 1: here on the couch.
[51:14] Speaker 2: Brendan, we will start with you. Okay. You appeared to
[51:17] Speaker 2: have the most reaction to that. No, I didn't have
[51:21] Speaker 2: the most reaction. I mean, I love what Paul was
[51:23] Speaker 2: talking about. I just... you know, when he was talking
[51:27] Speaker 2: about this, we know there's one superstar there. Like, you know,
[51:29] Speaker 2: there might have been a... Wait, what? No, we know
[51:34] Speaker 2: there's one superstar. No, I'm just saying, we know, like,
[51:36] Speaker 2: Paul last year's average, like, had a good year, averaged 17.
[51:40] Speaker 2: The year before that, he averaged, like, 16 for Philly.
[51:43] Speaker 2: That's cool, but no one thinks he's about to turn
[51:45] Speaker 2: back the clock and give them what... So, JB had
[51:49] Speaker 2: to be the coldest two-way player in the league. He
[51:52] Speaker 2: is capable of going out there getting 29 and then
[51:55] Speaker 2: he's guarding the guy that's getting 29. He makes that
[51:57] Speaker 2: look easy. It ain't easy. Right. Yeah, that's in shape.
[52:00] Speaker 2: You two guys know how much energy it takes to score.
[52:03] Speaker 2: You've had years where you've averaged 29. You've averaged 29.
[52:06] Speaker 2: Now imagine if you had to do that. Hey, yo,
[52:08] Speaker 2: I need you to go guard the best person on
[52:10] Speaker 2: the other team too. So the fact that JB was
[52:13] Speaker 2: doing that and they're losing that, no disrespect to Paul George,
[52:18] Speaker 2: but he's not coming close at 35 to being that.
[52:21] Speaker 2: I'll take it a step further. Put the stats aside.
[52:25] Speaker 5: That emotional leader within the group, I think that's more
[52:29] Speaker 5: important than any stat that he can bring to the team.
[52:32] Speaker 5: I think they now... And no knock to PG. I
[52:34] Speaker 5: think he's an incredible player. And I actually think he's
[52:36] Speaker 5: going to have a better year than he has the
[52:39] Speaker 5: last two years. But with that being said, they don't
[52:42] Speaker 5: have that emotional leader anymore. I think they now kind
[52:45] Speaker 5: of take the same identity as that Clippers group with
[52:48] Speaker 5: Kawhi and PG. It's the super laid back type of guy.
[52:53] Speaker 5: You know, you gotta go with the flow. Whatever happens, happens.
[52:57] Speaker 5: Nobody really wants to hold each other accountable. We don't
[53:00] Speaker 5: want to make anybody upset or uncomfortable. And all of
[53:03] Speaker 5: that is needed in order to get to that level.
[53:06] Speaker 6: But because, I'll cut you off, because I've been around
[53:08] Speaker 6: the Celtics a bit, and sometimes I think, it's kind
[53:11] Speaker 6: of like the KD moment, or like the Tatum, where
[53:13] Speaker 6: he's too nice of a guy. But I've been around
[53:15] Speaker 6: where It's almost been impressive where he doesn't have to
[53:17] Speaker 6: speak too much to really control some of the situations.
[53:20] Speaker 6: I'm talking about even in comparison to J.B.
[53:22] Speaker 2: And J.T.
[53:23] Speaker 6: As much as the emotional leader J.B. was, when Tatum
[53:26] Speaker 6: showed up, everything changed. He didn't have to scream. He
[53:29] Speaker 6: didn't have to do any of that or overly speak.
[53:32] Speaker 6: Even when you look at little things such as them
[53:33] Speaker 6: just lifting after games, how crazy people are with their
[53:36] Speaker 6: routine and everything, that's a Jason Tatum thing.
[53:39] Speaker 2: That's great. And I'm not knocking it.
[53:41] Speaker 5: But he also had that insurance of J.B., With all
[53:43] Speaker 5: that being said, he still had the insurance of JB.
[53:46] Speaker 6: No, you're absolutely right, but I think the conversation and
[53:48] Speaker 6: narrative shouldn't even be that of Paul George. Approaching Paul George,
[53:52] Speaker 6: it's like, yo, it's not his responsibility. We need to
[53:54] Speaker 6: talk about Derek White. We need to talk about Peyton
[53:56] Speaker 6: Pritchard stepping up. Paul George, your team is going to
[53:58] Speaker 6: be great if Paul George is a decent fourth option
[54:00] Speaker 6: like he's been showing the past three or four.
[54:03] Speaker 2: Who the fuck is the second?
[54:05] Speaker 3: Averaging 14 or 15 a game.
[54:07] Speaker 2: I'm asking. Derek White. Derek White. But that's been the
[54:11] Speaker 2: champ of the season.
[54:13] Speaker 3: He was the number two option last year.
[54:17] Speaker 2: He was the number two option last year.
[54:20] Speaker 6: Peyton Pritchard's coming off the bench shooting 18 a game.
[54:23] Speaker 6: Whether you think so or not, bro, he's Paul George,
[54:26] Speaker 6: if he's best, third option. In my personal opinion.
[54:30] Speaker 3: But once you start playing around that program, you just
[54:33] Speaker 3: gave up your first couple options.
[54:34] Speaker 2: It's good to see him even touch on it that humble, though.
[54:37] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[54:38] Speaker 3: Because I know he's still got to prove it.
[54:41] Speaker 6: Bro, he know he's been playing like a third option
[54:44] Speaker 6: in the past. That's why I'm just saying.
[54:46] Speaker 3: It's going to be more complimentary playing in the Boston system.
[54:49] Speaker 3: It's going to be more beneficiary to him.
[54:51] Speaker 2: To him. You shoot 53s, and he's a three-point shooter.
[54:54] Speaker 2: He's the second option. That's what I'm saying. He's the
[54:57] Speaker 2: second option.
[54:58] Speaker 3: The second option is going to try to get you
[55:00] Speaker 3: a bucket. You're not trying to lean on.
[55:03] Speaker 2: We're not coming out of timeout.
[55:05] Speaker 3: You're drawing up Paul George and catching shoes now.
[55:07] Speaker 2: Yes, no. But throwing him the ball on the post.
[55:10] Speaker 2: You're out to get him out. Paul George? I wouldn't,
[55:12] Speaker 2: but I know what they're going to do. They can't
[55:14] Speaker 2: do that. What? I know what they're going to do.
[55:16] Speaker 6: Derek White's getting his second most shots. He shoots whatever
[55:19] Speaker 6: he wants.
[55:19] Speaker 2: No, no, that's true. What do you want? That's what
[55:22] Speaker 2: I'm saying.
[55:24] Speaker 4: That's your second option.
[55:27] Speaker 2: Scrap the season. That's what it was last year. But
[55:31] Speaker 2: that's swing, swing shot. That's because J.B. Carey. That's swing,
[55:35] Speaker 2: swing shot. J.T. Finnegan. Did you see how much Derek
[55:38] Speaker 2: White shot last year? But he had you. I'm not knocking. No,
[55:41] Speaker 2: I'll get you over the hump of the playoffs.
[55:43] Speaker 3: So what do you think Paul can do?
[55:45] Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck what JT's literal routine is
[55:48] Speaker 2: after the game. That shit not translated. Hey, man, listen,
[55:52] Speaker 2: we talking about Derek White being the second option. We
[55:56] Speaker 2: talking about what he did last year. Derek White shot 39%
[55:58] Speaker 2: from three and 32% from, I mean, 39% from the
[56:01] Speaker 2: floor and 32% from three. That can't be your second
[56:05] Speaker 2: option if it's going to be champion. Hold on.
[56:08] Speaker 6: So you're telling me you coming in, like, I'm not
[56:11] Speaker 6: knocking either one of them.
[56:12] Speaker 2: I'm just like, bro, Paul ain't been on shit. Wow.
[56:14] Speaker 2: He shot 38%.
[56:15] Speaker 3: Wow.
[56:15] Speaker 2: Wow.
[56:15] Speaker 3: No, no.
[56:18] Speaker 2: Wow, that was aggressive. Wow.
[56:20] Speaker 6: So we can call it. Like, I'm not dissing Paul.
[56:22] Speaker 6: I'm trying to get heat off Paul and being like, yo,
[56:24] Speaker 6: he's probably been a third option for the past few years.
[56:28] Speaker 2: He ain't been healthy in the past few years. He's 37.
[56:31] Speaker 2: We old as hell. It's over. All I'm saying is,
[56:35] Speaker 2: if I'm picking my second option between Darius White and
[56:38] Speaker 2: Paul George. You're cooked. You're cooked. You're absolutely right. You're cooked.
[56:42] Speaker 2: Now I'm going to tell you the reality.
[56:44] Speaker 3: Listen, though, do you realize that Derek White played so good?
[56:53] Speaker 2: I like Derek White.
[56:54] Speaker 3: Listen, though, Derek White played so well last year as
[56:57] Speaker 3: far as.
[56:57] Speaker 2: What they felt like meant to their team. He was
[56:59] Speaker 2: some shit in the playoffs.
[57:01] Speaker 3: As far as what he meant to their team last year,
[57:04] Speaker 3: especially analytically, they felt like.
[57:06] Speaker 2: Don't give me the analytics. I'm not the guy for
[57:07] Speaker 2: the analytics. I'm just telling you the decision that they made.
[57:11] Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about no analytics.
[57:12] Speaker 3: They gave JB up because they felt like the most
[57:14] Speaker 3: important thing here next to JT is Derek White.
[57:18] Speaker 2: They gave JB up because he's the real alpha in
[57:20] Speaker 2: the room. That's fine. But I'm telling you why analytically... Hey, man,
[57:24] Speaker 2: touch on that. Say that again. Why analytically... Why are
[57:27] Speaker 2: you saying that? How are you mad because a guy
[57:33] Speaker 2: compliments his best season in his eyes and you take
[57:36] Speaker 2: that as a negative? Who took it as a negative?
[57:38] Speaker 2: The Celtics. At the organization they did. Yes, they did.
[57:41] Speaker 3: He carried you the entire season.
[57:44] Speaker 2: For his own personal accomplishment. They said, analytically, Derek White
[57:52] Speaker 2: was better on pitch. No, no, no, that was just bull.
[57:54] Speaker 2: That's why you can't play the game on analytics. They
[57:56] Speaker 2: was trying to trade him for Giannis. Yeah, they couldn't
[57:59] Speaker 2: get him. They had dangled him out there. But once
[58:02] Speaker 2: they fucked it up, then they had to trade him.
[58:04] Speaker 2: Because now you're ruining the relationship. And to the Celtics defense,
[58:07] Speaker 2: I'm not ready for that. I would have never traded
[58:10] Speaker 2: Giannis for Diggs. I'm not mad at that.
[58:13] Speaker 3: They already picked, when they dangled him, they already picked
[58:16] Speaker 3: Derek White.
[58:17] Speaker 6: I mean, I'm saying his body, just body-wise. I'm doing
[58:20] Speaker 6: that all the time. It gives him a different look.
[58:21] Speaker 2: But you're saying Derek White didn't play very well last year.
[58:25] Speaker 2: He shot 32%. You're right. In the playoffs. For the season.
[58:28] Speaker 2: For the season. From 30. And 39 from the floor.
[58:31] Speaker 2: And he was the second option. With all that said,
[58:32] Speaker 2: he was the second option.
[58:33] Speaker 4: And where were they at? It was second all year?
[58:37] Speaker 4: Second all year with that performance.
[58:39] Speaker 2: And you're telling me I can get the same performance,
[58:43] Speaker 2: I get Tatum back, and then I get Paul George,
[58:46] Speaker 2: who's healthy? who's a three-point shooter and an ISO player
[58:49] Speaker 2: with a five-out system, he's averaging 20. I think Paul's
[58:54] Speaker 2: on the best player.
[58:55] Speaker 4: It's a five-out system. He can shoot all the threes
[58:57] Speaker 4: he wants to shoot. He's about to be a 2K player.
[59:00] Speaker 2: I want to see it happen. He's about to be
[59:03] Speaker 2: a 2K player.
[59:04] Speaker 3: I think this is a better system for Paul than
[59:08] Speaker 3: Philly's system.
[59:11] Speaker 2: I know he's going to touch it, but.
[59:12] Speaker 3: We're saying are they going to run plays for him?
[59:15] Speaker 3: You know what the second option is. The second option
[59:19] Speaker 3: means we start in the game. Gil, you get in
[59:21] Speaker 3: the first two shots. And then our second option is
[59:24] Speaker 3: finna get the next three plays so that both y'all
[59:27] Speaker 3: can get going and now we can start the game.
[59:29] Speaker 2: All right, let's try it like this. Since we've been
[59:30] Speaker 2: in here. I'm listening. It goes from Tatum to Paul George.
[59:37] Speaker 2: I like that. And then my next options is who? Pitcher.
[59:42] Speaker 2: Pritchard coming off the bench. But Pritchard going to be
[59:45] Speaker 2: in the game? Who's going to be in the game?
[59:46] Speaker 2: Who else is going to be in the game? Baylor, Shire.
[59:49] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[59:50] Speaker 4: I'm going to just shoot this shit because we're supposed
[59:53] Speaker 4: to be shooting 53s.
[59:54] Speaker 2: So I'm going to shoot it. Do you think the
[59:56] Speaker 2: rest of these three are going to ever complain? No. Listen,
[59:58] Speaker 2: I'm not tripping off him. Listen, I'm not tripping off
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: him in three.
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: When we say a second option, though, look, look.
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: He might. He might. We see what Derek White did.
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: He shoot. He don't. I can shoot all the shots
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: I want. You know what type of freedom that is? Yeah.
[1:00:17] Speaker 4: You're giving Paul George the freedom again. And I need
[1:00:21] Speaker 4: you to shoot 53. 38%, you're our best three-point shooter.
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: And you don't think he's about to come in and
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: take what? 15, 17 shots? He's averaging a dub. He's
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: going to take a bunch of threes.
[1:00:31] Speaker 3: What I'm saying is at the end of the game,
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: at the end of the game, they're not going to throw.
[1:00:35] Speaker 2: Paul George the ball and ask him to just create shit.
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: He's going to average a dub. He's averaging a dub.
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: He's going to average a dub. Can I ask a question?
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: He might. He's going to have a better season.
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: It's going to be more efficient for sure.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: This system with the Celtics, Compliments him way better than anything.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: He had it without a doubt. I don't see him
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: as a second. Can I ask y'all a question though?
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: This is offense. This is offense. Hey, because can I
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: ask you a question? When y'all watch the Celtics, whenever
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: they struggle in the playoffs, what's normally been their problem?
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: They're not hitting threes. They're normally not getting threes. Who
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: do they get rid of? Hitting threes. Hitting threes, right.
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: They're going to take them. They're getting them. They're going
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: to get them up. No matter what, they shoot the three.
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: And when that three ball ain't falling, they struggle. But
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: there was one guy that would go in that mempo
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: and get aggressive and go to the cup. And he
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: was playing defense. That guy's no longer there. I love PG.
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: I don't think that he's going to be able to
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: replicate what JB did for them. That's what I'm saying.
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: When we look at them as a championship level team. Champions,
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: like he just said, scrap it. I don't see them
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: as a championship-level team without JB. I love Paul George,
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: but I don't know if he's turning back the clock
[1:01:43] Speaker 2: at 35 being old-school Paul George. I think he's going
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: to get in there with the three-point shooting, too. I
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: know that Jason Tatum, he's going to shoot his threes, too.
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: Who's going to say, nah, I'm going to the basket?
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: Peyton Pritchard?
[1:01:56] Speaker 3: Nah.
[1:01:57] Speaker 2: Derek White? No! So when they struggle, when they come
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: out there with their analytic ball game, we know they're
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: going to play it like that, and they get to
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: shooting them threes. And there's a playoff series where they're
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: not hitting them. When they come to the timeout, they
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: don't have a Jalen Brown no more that's like, I'm
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: going to the cup, y'all follow me. That's why he
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: was the finals MVP. That's why he was also the
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: Eastern Conference finals MVP. Because when stuff got tight, he
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: was the guy! Yeah. You know 32% from Paul George...
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: would have been the worst he ever shot from the
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: three-point line since his rookie season. I'm not worried about
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: him shooting the three.
[1:02:32] Speaker 4: So I don't see a guy like him who is
[1:02:36] Speaker 4: a natural scorer.
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: A natural one. Offensively, they will be better. Offensively. He
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: got to be healthy, too. He's a natural. Do he
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: have a win to do it? He got the talent
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: to do it. Does he have the win? Offensively. Didn't
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: they work with J.B.? Yeah. Oh, no. No. And we're
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: walking off the set. Yeah. What?
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: They're going to be better than when they were with J.B.
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: No way. I think individually for Paul, he's going to
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: have a better season.
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: You feel like they're going to be better with Paul
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: George than J.B.? No.
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: No. No way. Offensively, Paul George? It complements.
[1:03:09] Speaker 3: Paul George's game on a five count?
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: Paul is 37. Huh? Paul is 37. What did he
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: do when he came back from the 25 game? Paul
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: is 37 years old. But the shit he's taken accidentally
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: makes him about 25 again.
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: He can't take it. Nah, bro, when you started taking it,
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: it's over, bro.
[1:03:30] Speaker 2: He turned 36, but that shit, whatever he was taking.
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: He said he got the residue. He came back. He
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: still had the residue in his bag. He still had
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: the residue. All I'm saying is 28.
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: 26, 19, 39, 23.
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: All I'm saying is, all I'm saying is, whatever was there,
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: put it back in. You can't fail another test, though, Gil.
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: You saying he still got the residue? He still got
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: the residue. Just a little bit. I ain't going to lie.
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: I'm playing with him on 2K. It look like he's
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: still moving. If he got any more of that left,
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: I ain't going to lie. If he got some of
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: that left, it's going to be different.
[1:04:11] Speaker 3: But when I look at it, when I look at it,
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: I just see like even when JT came back, like
[1:04:17] Speaker 3: though it's a different hop, it's very complimentary to the playoffs.
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: I think that a lot of stuff that JT get done.
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: Even last year, it was like I could tell his
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: body wasn't ready. He just wanted to play. Then he
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: had to sit out that last game because that was
[1:04:33] Speaker 3: really just a business decision. They didn't want nothing happening
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: like how K did when K wristed. We all wanted
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: him to fight through injury. He wristed, then he was down.
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? But seeing JT come back,
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: I was low-key looking at it like, damn, I see
[1:04:47] Speaker 3: why they be at this question all the time of
[1:04:49] Speaker 3: who do you keep? Because it damn near seemed like
[1:04:51] Speaker 3: you holding one back no matter what you do. Because
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: both of them, at the end of games, both of
[1:04:57] Speaker 3: them are nasty.
[1:04:58] Speaker 2: That was perfect together. For sure. They can play two,
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: they can play two and a three or the three
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: and a four.
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: Like it was one of those, it was one of
[1:05:08] Speaker 3: the two groups that did everything.
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: They had the perfect build for each other. But once
[1:05:14] Speaker 2: you dangle, once you dangle, but Are you okay with
[1:05:17] Speaker 2: trading for Yanni? I would have been like Pat Riley.
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: I would have been on my knees. My bad. What?
[1:05:22] Speaker 2: I would have been on my knees. Okay. My bad.
[1:05:27] Speaker 4: I didn't mean to dangle you like that, sir.
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: Real talk. What you need? You need that Black Wall
[1:05:32] Speaker 2: Street shit? I got the Black Wall Street.
[1:05:34] Speaker 4: Whatever you need because there's just some people you just
[1:05:36] Speaker 4: can't trade.
[1:05:37] Speaker 2: Yeah. What he brings... you wish everyone had. What's the idea?
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: Just that toughness. Whatever that toughness is. Chuck it. Whatever
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: that toughness is that says, Luca, he does what? I
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: got him. Right? He's that guy. You can't replace that
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: with Paul George. You can't replace that guy. You just
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: can't replace that guy with a lot of people. But
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: we're just talking about them specifically. What you just said
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: made our point. You can't replace that guy in the
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: finals that was going out there getting finals MVP and
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: guarding Luka with this current version of Paul George. You
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: can't do that. No, no, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: Who guards now? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who guards? Huh? Who guards?
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: Who guards? Datum. Derrick White. Derrick White. Yeah, no, you
[1:06:20] Speaker 2: got to do it. I'm just saying that. Paul George
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: still plays defense. It ain't like Jalen Brown. No, it
[1:06:26] Speaker 2: ain't like Jalen Brown, but I don't got to be
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: like Jalen Brown. But that's what we said. I'm not
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: here to replace Jalen Brown. I'm here to show you
[1:06:34] Speaker 2: I still got a little bit left. He definitely said that.
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: I still got a little bit left. He totally said
[1:06:38] Speaker 2: that on the interview. I'm totally not here. That's why
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: he got to say, hold on, God damn it. I'm
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: here to be the best version of myself. I averaged
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: 17 last year, God damn it. I'm giving you 20.
[1:06:51] Speaker 4: If you're looking for 28 or 9, you better trade
[1:06:54] Speaker 4: me for him back.
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: Get yourself good. You know what I'm starting to see
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: a lot in the Eastern Conference, though? We got a
[1:06:59] Speaker 2: lot of teams that don't have that second option star
[1:07:01] Speaker 2: to win a championship. We just talked about Toronto. We
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: don't know if they got it. You go look at Detroit.
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: We don't know if they got it. They don't got it.
[1:07:08] Speaker 2: Now we're looking at Boston. They traded their second. There's
[1:07:11] Speaker 2: a lot of teams in the Eastern Conference that got
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: that first piece. They got that championship level piece. Miami.
[1:07:16] Speaker 2: They don't have it. They don't have it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Miami.
[1:07:22] Speaker 2: Bam is the second option. Bam was their first option?
[1:07:25] Speaker 2: How he did it? Giannis is the first option. I
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: know that. I'm saying, bro. They was like, Bam. I'm like, dog, Bam. Bam? Nah.
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: It's better than them thinking he was a first. Bam
[1:07:35] Speaker 2: is a tricky player. Look, we got to see how
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: they're going to compliment each other first. We got to
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: see how that's going to work. The 4-5? Bam's smart, man.
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: Before we start talking, one, two. No, no, no. Bam
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: is one of those players, man, if you look at
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: him at one-on-one, you're going to be like, Why he's
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: not aggressive all the time? He's like one of those guys.
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: He got stupid games.
[1:08:01] Speaker 5: It's almost like the LeBron effect. As far as finding
[1:08:05] Speaker 5: the right guys to play next to a force. Giannis
[1:08:08] Speaker 5: is the same exact puzzle.
[1:08:11] Speaker 3: I think Giannis is going to have to become better
[1:08:15] Speaker 3: with passing. But Giannis is a willing passer.
[1:08:20] Speaker 2: He's only had this break.
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: He's only had this break.
[1:08:25] Speaker 2: Only when he's going downhill. Exactly.
[1:08:28] Speaker 3: But now you just have to learn how to go downhill,
[1:08:31] Speaker 3: throw a little floater lob.
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: What year is it for him? It don't fucking matter.
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: It does matter. It does matter. Because a lot of times,
[1:08:38] Speaker 2: a lot of times if you've been doing... Yes, you can.
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: Hold on. A lot of times if you've been doing
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: something for a decade, that means you just might not
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: be good at it. If that was KC, it would
[1:08:45] Speaker 2: have made it work in Milwaukee. Like, if he was
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: willing to change his game, it would have worked in Milwaukee.
[1:08:50] Speaker 2: Change it how?
[1:08:52] Speaker 3: To make that pass you're talking about. A more willing passer.
[1:08:55] Speaker 3: A more willing.
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: He passes once he's totally inside. A more willing passer.
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: You play, Braun passes with anticipation. He's like, all them stories.
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: Giannis passes because he has to. That's all I'm saying.
[1:09:05] Speaker 2: Giannis is going to have to change. Some people can't
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: do what Braun do.
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: They can't do what Luka does as far as hitting
[1:09:12] Speaker 3: the floor.
[1:09:12] Speaker 2: We are gonna do the wind is that way he
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: was winning until he won.
[1:09:17] Speaker 3: I'm not we didn't think yannis was gonna be a
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: lot of.
[1:09:19] Speaker 5: Things went into play but that's not a perfect person
[1:09:22] Speaker 5: motherfuckers on with a size 26 for sure What what
[1:09:24] Speaker 5: big man has yannis had that plays in the bunk
[1:09:25] Speaker 5: never Who that plays in the dark you understand I'm.
[1:09:27] Speaker 2: Saying I Nobody. That's the point. Exactly. So we don't
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: know how it is around him. He might like this shit.
[1:09:45] Speaker 3: He might like getting downhill and saying, instead of having
[1:09:48] Speaker 3: to throw this on target, flip pass to the corner,
[1:09:50] Speaker 3: I kind of like being able to drop it off.
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: And then this man. Y'all got to continue to play downhill.
[1:09:56] Speaker 2: That means Bam's whole game is now perimeter oriented. So
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: it's almost. That's what the dunker spot is for.
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: You can't have y'all playing downhill and Bam in the way.
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: And man, this ain't Milwaukee.
[1:10:10] Speaker 4: Whatever offense they was running down there obviously didn't work.
[1:10:13] Speaker 2: This is Miami. We're going to have a whole new offense.
[1:10:15] Speaker 2: For sure.
[1:10:16] Speaker 3: But I'm saying every time Giannis gets downhill now, it
[1:10:19] Speaker 3: don't have to be spray out to the corner. That
[1:10:22] Speaker 3: if you getting downhill, you can have somebody that knows
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: how to play that baseline.
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: It's like playing high-low. It's the constant rotation. It is Miami.
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: Is that what I'm saying? In Miami, they are smart.
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: They are smart.
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: Bam is now never still, and he's doing the Udonis
[1:10:37] Speaker 3: Haslam shit.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: It's all relocation. I get it. Setting real screens.
[1:10:41] Speaker 3: Back screens, and now you're dealing with Giannis downhill. A
[1:10:44] Speaker 3: simple pocket pass, and you have to deal with Bam's athleticism.
[1:10:47] Speaker 3: He also can pass.
[1:10:48] Speaker 2: So if Bam is setting the screen, what if they...
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: Bam don't have to set the screen on Giannis. Oh,
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: I was going to say.
[1:10:53] Speaker 6: Giannis could be second side.
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, Giannis could be second side. We used to play
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: second side for Braun to get down here. We're not
[1:10:59] Speaker 2: going to let y'all load up. Pat Riley and I
[1:11:01] Speaker 2: are not going to let that happen. But when Milwaukee
[1:11:03] Speaker 2: won it, a lot of this office that you're talking about.
[1:11:05] Speaker 2: Brooke Lopez was shooting. Brooke Lopez. Brooke Holiday.
[1:11:09] Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to say. Chris Middleton was posing
[1:11:11] Speaker 3: games out. Chris Middleton was posing games out.
[1:11:14] Speaker 2: They don't have that Chris Middleton option in Miami. Because
[1:11:18] Speaker 2: you're right. Sometimes they can let Kawhi... Not Kawhi. Who
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: did they just pick up? Somebody just played. Played. Yeah.
[1:11:25] Speaker 2: Sometimes they can let... They picked up Kawhi. They got Wiggins.
[1:11:28] Speaker 2: They got a good team. They got a good team.
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: Miami's cold, but we're talking about Giannis, right? So when
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: he's getting downhill... There's a reason why at times they
[1:11:37] Speaker 2: were going to Middleton. Because Giannis don't want to shoot
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: that jumper. At all. And he don't want to go
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: to the free throw line late in the game either.
[1:11:44] Speaker 6: Because that's how the playoffs, when he first went to
[1:11:45] Speaker 6: the playoffs, is killing him. So that's why sometimes, depending
[1:11:48] Speaker 6: on the game, the coaching staff in Milwaukee did a
[1:11:50] Speaker 6: great job. Drew Holiday, Middleton. All right, we're going to
[1:11:53] Speaker 6: run that offense through Chris in the mid-post. Miami don't
[1:11:57] Speaker 6: have that option right now.
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: What? They got rid of Tyler. Outside of Giannis? Who
[1:12:01] Speaker 2: they going to run that offense? Norm Powell.
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: Bam!
[1:12:04] Speaker 2: You're acting like Bam ain't one of the coldest one-on-one players.
[1:12:09] Speaker 2: He is a better one-on-one player than Chris Middleton. He's
[1:12:13] Speaker 2: going to have to prove that. Are you serious? I
[1:12:15] Speaker 2: feel like Bam has always been a compliment to me.
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: Who has Bam? Who has Bam?
[1:12:20] Speaker 5: I feel like Bam has been a compliment to me.
[1:12:22] Speaker 2: When did Chris Middleton become a one-on-one player? Why do
[1:12:25] Speaker 2: you just look at me like that? With Giannis. With Giannis?
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: Why is he a one-on-one player? He was a closer,
[1:12:31] Speaker 2: but he wasn't one-on-one. Chris Middleton don't go shake show.
[1:12:34] Speaker 2: He go off actions, he get the ball, he make
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: you pay.
[1:12:37] Speaker 3: We're not talking about like go get it. But that's
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: what he's saying. He's saying Bam can go get it.
[1:12:42] Speaker 2: Who has to guard Bam now when Giannis is there?
[1:12:44] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It's an easy. Who literally has to?
[1:12:47] Speaker 3: The lower tier big man. But even if Bam gets
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: the ball, they can still crowd. But think about going
[1:12:51] Speaker 3: just play on Giannis. The reason we don't know what
[1:12:55] Speaker 3: Bam has. is because Miami for the last four or five.
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: Years has had, what, all option twos and threes. Jimmy Butler,
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: who is one of those guys that he fills the spots.
[1:13:09] Speaker 2: He had to be a one option.
[1:13:12] Speaker 4: So it's like, okay, Tyler Hero, you're the number one option,
[1:13:14] Speaker 4: so I can do everything. Same thing, so these guys
[1:13:17] Speaker 4: are sacrificing Because some of them are actually two options
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: and three options trying to be one options. So now
[1:13:23] Speaker 4: you have a number one option coming in. So Bam
[1:13:27] Speaker 4: gets to.
[1:13:27] Speaker 2: Go to what he really is. No. Yes. That's not
[1:13:30] Speaker 2: what he really is. A second option guy who can
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: just do a little bit of everything? I don't think
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: there's going to be shit you haven't seen. It's going
[1:13:42] Speaker 2: to have to be. You're going to see the same
[1:13:44] Speaker 2: thing over and over. I get what you're saying. You're
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: going to see the same thing you've been seeing, but
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: now I have a number one option you've got to pick.
[1:13:51] Speaker 2: But I'm saying you're going to have to deal with.
[1:13:54] Speaker 3: I get a secondary score. How you'll see Bam have
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: to score in a lot of different ways. You're going
[1:13:59] Speaker 3: to see Bam do the same four dunks every game.
[1:14:01] Speaker 2: That was the best 4-5 ever. I think our skill
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: set was way different than Bam's and Jan's. Who are
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: you talking about? He was talking about me and AD
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: compared to Bam. That's a good idea. It's kind of
[1:14:10] Speaker 2: the same. Two real guards. No, it's two real guards.
[1:14:13] Speaker 3: No, because they don't have … No, no, no.
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: No, because they don't have … Pick and roll. Hold on.
[1:14:20] Speaker 2: Let him cook. Because y'all don't have horn action.
[1:14:23] Speaker 3: Bro, he's a sick point guard. If you got Bam
[1:14:26] Speaker 3: and Giannis as your horn action, that's.
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: Insane to deal with. Because now your point guard becomes dangerous.
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: One of them is a limited shooter. Me and A.D.
[1:14:35] Speaker 2: weren't limited shooters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whether Giannis is limited.
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: And we could shoot off the dribble. It's a totally
[1:14:40] Speaker 2: different thing.
[1:14:40] Speaker 3: The whole league this whole time has known we got
[1:14:44] Speaker 3: to back off Giannis and don't let him drive.
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: Who the fuck has stopped it? I'm not talking about that.
[1:14:50] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, though. If you run the horned.
[1:14:52] Speaker 3: Offense and now he actually has somebody else that's vicious, too,
[1:14:56] Speaker 3: going downhill.
[1:14:57] Speaker 5: The reason I know it's a problem because even as
[1:15:00] Speaker 5: skilled as me and A.D. was, it was still a
[1:15:02] Speaker 5: dynamic mentality. within that of us playing together, but we
[1:15:05] Speaker 5: had to figure it out. And it was mostly due
[1:15:07] Speaker 5: to the spacing. especially when two guys can do a
[1:15:10] Speaker 5: lot of the same thing.
[1:15:11] Speaker 2: You're going to start to clash at some point. That's
[1:15:14] Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say as far as when it
[1:15:16] Speaker 2: comes to Giannis with the ball. We know he's getting down.
[1:15:18] Speaker 2: They were better shooting pair. They also did the same thing.
[1:15:21] Speaker 2: And we could pass.
[1:15:21] Speaker 4: They were legit.
[1:15:22] Speaker 2: Before he tore his Achilles, he was dead ass hooping
[1:15:24] Speaker 2: like a 6-10 point guard. You're trying to compare it to.
[1:15:37] Speaker 6: Where he's kind of struggling with it, it's just like, man,
[1:15:38] Speaker 6: Giannis and Bam didn't have the same type of ball
[1:15:41] Speaker 6: handle or skill set as those two had. It was
[1:15:43] Speaker 6: literally night and day. That's why it's hard to compare.
[1:15:47] Speaker 6: But they have a different skill. One is a fast
[1:15:49] Speaker 6: break demon. So when he gets the ball, he's gone.
[1:15:51] Speaker 6: But you got to remember, this space is going to
[1:15:53] Speaker 6: be the most... The most Giannis has ever had.
[1:15:56] Speaker 2: Because you still got... You have Clayton Wiggins on the floor.
[1:15:59] Speaker 2: Y'all missing the point. You're not. We're not.
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: This is in Miami. What's the point, Brandon?
[1:16:06] Speaker 2: I love the fact that he brought up him and AD.
[1:16:10] Speaker 2: Because you got two guys, offensively, they get it. They
[1:16:14] Speaker 2: thinking about how to score. When I had to guard Boogie,
[1:16:17] Speaker 2: if Boogie had a quick five buckets early on... boogie
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: knock will end up with 16. If he got a
[1:16:23] Speaker 2: quick 10, boogie will end up with 37. That's the difference.
[1:16:26] Speaker 2: When you watch Bam play, I've seen plenty of games.
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: Bam get out six for six. You come back and
[1:16:32] Speaker 2: you're like, he finished the game six for eight. He
[1:16:34] Speaker 2: finished the game. No, he finished that shit with 80-some points. Bro,
[1:16:36] Speaker 2: that's one game, fam. He's never had like that. Again,
[1:16:39] Speaker 2: you're judging him. That's what the average looks like. I'm
[1:16:42] Speaker 2: not judging him as a number one option. I'm judging
[1:16:44] Speaker 2: him as a guy who's from North Carolina. I've seen
[1:16:46] Speaker 2: him play in high school. I've seen him play at Kentucky.
[1:16:49] Speaker 2: I've seen him play in the league. He does not
[1:16:51] Speaker 2: have the same natural scoring mentality as you two guys. Listen,
[1:16:55] Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's not going to prove his strength.
[1:16:57] Speaker 2: I don't need him to do that now. I have Giannis.
[1:17:01] Speaker 2: I have Giannis.
[1:17:03] Speaker 4: I have Giannis, and when Giannis is driving, you tell
[1:17:06] Speaker 4: me who the weakest shooter on the team is now.
[1:17:09] Speaker 2: I have Klay. I have Wiggins. Probably Wiggins, right? Wiggins.
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: And then what, DeMitch? DeMitch. So, one, we're playing five
[1:17:17] Speaker 2: out while he's going. You can't do anything. There's no
[1:17:20] Speaker 2: dead weight shooting on that team. And it's a Pat
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: Riley team. And it has a rebounded presence with. It's
[1:17:26] Speaker 2: a Pat Riley team. For sure. Defensively, he's going to switch.
[1:17:32] Speaker 2: I'm just talking about.
[1:17:34] Speaker 3: Bam has to change.
[1:17:37] Speaker 2: Let me say that. I think Bam has all the ability.
[1:17:40] Speaker 2: I'm a fan. Bam got a bag that a lot
[1:17:43] Speaker 2: of people don't even know about. Why don't they know?
[1:17:46] Speaker 2: Because he don't do it.
[1:17:47] Speaker 5: I think he was limited in his role with the
[1:17:50] Speaker 5: old heat. Now, it's something new. I think he has
[1:17:53] Speaker 5: to elevate offensively. And that's the question mark.
[1:17:57] Speaker 2: That's the great area right there.
[1:17:59] Speaker 3: He's saying finally he can settle into that and take
[1:18:02] Speaker 3: a year and say, this is what I need to
[1:18:04] Speaker 3: work on. But he's also playing against a guy that
[1:18:06] Speaker 3: creates so much force that dominates the paint.
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: It's not going to happen this year. In order for
[1:18:14] Speaker 2: this to really, really flourish, and the reason I'm saying
[1:18:16] Speaker 2: this is because I had to do it when I
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: played next to AD. My game became a lot more perimeter-oriented.
[1:18:23] Speaker 2: Bam's game is now mostly perimeter because Giannis is dominating
[1:18:27] Speaker 2: the paint.
[1:18:28] Speaker 6: Even last year, Bam kind of went from the dunker
[1:18:30] Speaker 6: to the corner three and started shooting 34, 35 percent
[1:18:33] Speaker 6: from the corner three. So he has been expanding, and
[1:18:36] Speaker 6: they haven't talked about it because he hasn't been taking
[1:18:38] Speaker 6: so many top threes from.
[1:18:40] Speaker 2: The guard perimeters.
[1:18:42] Speaker 6: But to shoot from that corner and operate from there
[1:18:44] Speaker 6: does give you a different type of look. And then
[1:18:46] Speaker 6: when he wants to come in, pause, but he does
[1:18:48] Speaker 6: take one step and go crazy.
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: But even with that, I don't think.
[1:18:54] Speaker 2: He does have to shoot more corner threes, but it
[1:18:56] Speaker 2: also changes the game.
[1:18:57] Speaker 5: Because if Bam is in the corner, that still allows
[1:19:01] Speaker 5: that big to stay low, which is what you don't want.
[1:19:03] Speaker 5: So you want to bring that big up high to
[1:19:05] Speaker 5: allow Giannis to have that entire paint.
[1:19:07] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[1:19:08] Speaker 5: So Bam being in the corner, yeah, it may work
[1:19:10] Speaker 5: a couple possessions, but you still, Giannis getting down here,
[1:19:13] Speaker 5: he still has to deal with that help side big.
[1:19:16] Speaker 5: So we want to bring Bam up. We want to
[1:19:19] Speaker 5: put a guard in the corner so it's a small
[1:19:20] Speaker 5: guy at the rim. That's why I'm saying Bam game, offensively,
[1:19:25] Speaker 5: is more perimeter oriented. And what I mean by that
[1:19:27] Speaker 5: is not necessarily the corners. It's the wing in the top. Yeah,
[1:19:30] Speaker 5: so we got it.
[1:19:31] Speaker 2: So now like I'm saying he has to dig into
[1:19:33] Speaker 2: that bag offensively and his whole game has to change.
[1:19:36] Speaker 2: You just went in.
[1:19:38] Speaker 6: We're talking about his whole game has to change after
[1:19:42] Speaker 6: he's been in the league seven eight years.
[1:19:44] Speaker 2: We that's not easy to do. Who is just changing everything?
[1:19:52] Speaker 2: Game you're not changing. This game is unlocking it.
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: Well best The game is the wrong other hero for it.
[1:20:02] Speaker 2: We're not saying you've been to change how I can
[1:20:04] Speaker 2: play You gotta go in that bag.
[1:20:05] Speaker 3: It's just it just requires you to do something else
[1:20:08] Speaker 3: that your skill set already can already I already do.
[1:20:12] Speaker 2: This like when I scored the 83 I was sitting
[1:20:15] Speaker 2: here doing this shit. I Right. So did you watch
[1:20:17] Speaker 2: that game? He was doing what? It coming like he's
[1:20:21] Speaker 2: playing point. He had to get the bitch. I got
[1:20:23] Speaker 2: to dribble up. So. So what happens now is you're
[1:20:26] Speaker 2: going to have Clayton and Mitchell in the corners. Right.
[1:20:29] Speaker 2: Keep the small guys there. Yeah. Giannis is going to
[1:20:32] Speaker 2: be trying to drive. They're going to put Bam where
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: Lopez is. But he can pump fake and actually drive.
[1:20:41] Speaker 4: He ain't just going to sit there and talk. You
[1:20:42] Speaker 4: said he can pump fake. He can pump fake and drop.
[1:20:44] Speaker 4: Bam gets the ball. Bam is gone.
[1:20:46] Speaker 5: The only way him pump fake is working is if
[1:20:48] Speaker 5: you're knocking that bitch down consistently.
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: I scored 83. I scored 83. That's great. You're going
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: to guard me.
[1:20:55] Speaker 6: We're talking so much about the offense, but they finna
[1:20:57] Speaker 6: be dominant defensively. I think We keep talking like a
[1:21:01] Speaker 6: hypothetic 125. This shit going right back down to 90s 103.
[1:21:06] Speaker 2: And it's going, you don't think so? A slow grind game.
[1:21:08] Speaker 2: If I watch 93 points, motherfucker, I'm not watching that game.
[1:21:11] Speaker 2: You said a slow grind.
[1:21:12] Speaker 5: If Miami turns into a slow grind team, That's not
[1:21:19] Speaker 5: good for you.
[1:21:20] Speaker 2: You don't think walk? No half-court with Giannis. You got
[1:21:23] Speaker 2: five shooters. I'm saying but you have the guy that
[1:21:27] Speaker 2: loves to get down here. I said off the rim
[1:21:29] Speaker 2: gets down here and spoke.
[1:21:30] Speaker 6: Credit for how he's going to set up the offense
[1:21:32] Speaker 6: and put them in a right type.
[1:21:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it.
[1:21:34] Speaker 6: You got you got Andrew Wiggins shooting 41%. I think
[1:21:37] Speaker 6: Klay's going to somewhat bounce back. You got some type
[1:21:40] Speaker 6: of players.
[1:21:40] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, at the very least, we're trying to—
[1:21:42] Speaker 2: He's going to shoot the shit out of them. He's
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: going to shoot the real good. He got him some black— Andy, Andy,
[1:21:47] Speaker 2: Andy left her. He's going to bring that boat to town.
[1:21:50] Speaker 2: He's going to bring that boat to town.
[1:21:54] Speaker 5: Dallas ain't got no water, so you know what I'm saying?
[1:21:57] Speaker 6: Oh, but we speaking so much about somebody changing their game,
[1:22:00] Speaker 6: and it's like, all right, bro, what are they going
[1:22:02] Speaker 6: to do from the other side?
[1:22:03] Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. I like it. Yeah, that's it.
[1:22:06] Speaker 2: I think they're going to run the same game, but they.
[1:22:09] Speaker 6: Have another Detroit-Toronto type of vibe where it's going to
[1:22:12] Speaker 6: be like, yo, they're going to be even crazier on
[1:22:15] Speaker 6: the other side, bro.
[1:22:16] Speaker 2: We... It's going to be a good shit to watch.
[1:22:19] Speaker 2: You don't think Miami could possibly be the number one seed?
[1:22:22] Speaker 2: You tweaked it. Absolutely, I do.
[1:22:23] Speaker 5: I'm saying it's going to be a problem.
[1:22:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, you tweaked it. You tweaked it hard. You tweaked
[1:22:28] Speaker 2: it hard to see? Yeah, wow. Who's going to be
[1:22:31] Speaker 2: the number one seed? I don't know. We already know Philly.
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: We know Philly is not going to play that game.
[1:22:35] Speaker 2: But it is number one. They got so many options.
[1:22:38] Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is it's Jalen Brunson. They got
[1:22:40] Speaker 2: three six men and two second options. But it is
[1:22:43] Speaker 2: number one.
[1:22:43] Speaker 3: The Knicks played statistically the best playoff run we've ever seen.
[1:22:47] Speaker 4: The Knicks played the.
[1:22:48] Speaker 3: Best playoff run we've ever seen, Joe. They're playing such
[1:22:53] Speaker 3: good basketball, Joe.
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: New York is still going to be a great team. No,
[1:22:58] Speaker 2: they're not going to be a number one team. They
[1:22:59] Speaker 2: don't even play that style to be a number one.
[1:23:01] Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
[1:23:01] Speaker 2: Put Detroit back up there.
[1:23:03] Speaker 3: They're not the only team that's trying to find their
[1:23:05] Speaker 3: own game.
[1:23:06] Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. K is going to be
[1:23:08] Speaker 2: pissed off. They're not even going to play the style
[1:23:10] Speaker 2: to try to get the spot. Real tall. Straight up.
[1:23:15] Speaker 2: On the first year together, they number one.
[1:23:18] Speaker 5: New York is the only team that doesn't have to
[1:23:21] Speaker 5: change anything about their team.
[1:23:22] Speaker 4: But that's why they won't play. That's why they won't
[1:23:24] Speaker 4: play to try to be the number one seed.
[1:23:27] Speaker 2: I think it'll happen. Because I'm going, I need to
[1:23:29] Speaker 2: rest my, I need to rest Brunson. I think it's
[1:23:31] Speaker 2: going to happen.
[1:23:32] Speaker 4: Remember, I play these guys 40-something minutes, so they're the only,
[1:23:34] Speaker 4: one of the only teams that play a lot of minutes.
[1:23:37] Speaker 4: So you're not going to be trying to kill them.
[1:23:39] Speaker 4: So they're not going to be the number one.
[1:23:40] Speaker 2: No, but the reason they're going to have a shot
[1:23:42] Speaker 2: to be the number one seed, it's not going to
[1:23:43] Speaker 2: be because of the amount of minutes. It's going to
[1:23:45] Speaker 2: be because they have the most continuity. All these other teams,
[1:23:48] Speaker 2: we keep talking about. We keep talking about, is Toronto
[1:23:50] Speaker 2: going to figure this out? Is Miami going to figure
[1:23:52] Speaker 2: this out? Well, we know the Knicks got it figured out.
[1:23:55] Speaker 2: They just got to be healthy.
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: They're just rolling the ball.
[1:23:59] Speaker 2: They know who's going to get the ball where. They
[1:24:01] Speaker 2: know where the shots are coming from. Looking around, seeing
[1:24:04] Speaker 2: who opens. That's the difference in the league between the
[1:24:07] Speaker 2: good teams and the bad teams. The really good teams
[1:24:09] Speaker 2: know exactly what we're going to do when the game
[1:24:12] Speaker 2: is tight in the last five minutes. Bonus, crowd, no. Ref, no.
[1:24:17] Speaker 2: I still in my mind know exactly the plays and
[1:24:20] Speaker 2: where the ball was going to go from when I
[1:24:22] Speaker 2: played at Dallas in 2011. At 42, I know exactly
[1:24:24] Speaker 2: where I was going to be hiding on the baseline.
[1:24:28] Speaker 2: I know Jet going to be setting the screen for
[1:24:29] Speaker 2: Dirk because I know how we had to finish games. Yeah.
[1:24:32] Speaker 2: There's an advantage to that. There's an advantage to knowing
[1:24:35] Speaker 2: how to play. The Knicks have that. That's why they
[1:24:37] Speaker 2: are the favorites to probably be number one in the
[1:24:39] Speaker 2: Eastern Conference. Yes, sir. Gil has the phone. What staff
[1:24:43] Speaker 2: you looking up? Give me that phone. I'm just trying
[1:24:45] Speaker 2: to tell you how they're going to be playing this year.
[1:24:48] Speaker 2: Who do you think number one? Miami. You want me
[1:24:51] Speaker 2: to tell you why? Here you go.
[1:24:52] Speaker 5: How many big maps do you think Giannis is going
[1:24:55] Speaker 5: to play?
[1:24:57] Speaker 2: Giannis is missing games too now.
[1:24:59] Speaker 6: Giannis is going to play. I'm saying Orlando got big.
[1:25:01] Speaker 6: The Wizards are going to be scary.
[1:25:03] Speaker 2: I like the Wizards. The Wizards are going to be scary.
[1:25:06] Speaker 2: I like it. Hey, boy, that boy A.J.
[1:25:10] Speaker 3: Went baseline and finished it like this on the other side.
[1:25:14] Speaker 2: I see A.J. at Summerlee. He damn near my height, too.
[1:25:16] Speaker 2: He not 6'8. That boy's 6'10. He's 6'10 all day.
[1:25:17] Speaker 2: I was looking at him like, hold on, dog. He
[1:25:19] Speaker 2: did some shit. I was like, wait, hold on. At 6'10, too.
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: Get what you got for us.
[1:25:34] Speaker 3: It was the movement he did before.
[1:25:36] Speaker 2: Get what you got for us. Because we talk about teams.
[1:25:40] Speaker 2: We don't talk about organizations.
[1:25:43] Speaker 4: So you're telling me Pat Riley can go to the
[1:25:45] Speaker 4: finals with Tyler Hero as the number one scorer, Bam,
[1:25:51] Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler third, then you got Kyle Larry, Caleb Martin, Max, Victor, Gabe,
[1:25:58] Speaker 4: old-ass Kevin Love, Hayward, Highsmith, don't even know who that is.
[1:26:02] Speaker 2: Duncan Robinson, Cody Zeller. So you're saying they can go
[1:26:06] Speaker 2: to the finals with this team, an AAU team, and
[1:26:10] Speaker 2: you say he has a real juggernaut over there. Hold on,
[1:26:12] Speaker 2: hold on. I got a question on that. Hold on,
[1:26:14] Speaker 2: let me jump in. Every championship Pat Riley's had, And one,
[1:26:19] Speaker 2: he's had a freak of nature on his team. Yeah.
[1:26:22] Speaker 2: And he just got another one. The first thing you
[1:26:24] Speaker 2: just said, though, was you said, who can be the
[1:26:26] Speaker 2: number one seed? And then you read those stats. That
[1:26:28] Speaker 2: same team that you were talking about was the eighth seed.
[1:26:31] Speaker 2: Which one? That one. That should have been. That's what
[1:26:34] Speaker 2: I'm saying. They should have been the AFC. You said
[1:26:37] Speaker 2: they were going to finish. But why was the AFC?
[1:26:39] Speaker 2: Got injured, right? No, because even when Jimmy was there,
[1:26:43] Speaker 2: they were AFC. They were the AFC. They've been in
[1:26:45] Speaker 2: the play-in for like the last three years, Gil. Miami,
[1:26:47] Speaker 2: even when they were going to the championship, they were
[1:26:49] Speaker 2: a play-in team. They're bubble buddies. Yeah. That's what I
[1:26:52] Speaker 2: was going to ask.
[1:26:53] Speaker 6: They're not really hitting on shit for real.
[1:26:57] Speaker 2: Based off the casuals, when it comes to that bubble,
[1:27:00] Speaker 2: you brought up Miami. Mm-hmm.
[1:27:01] Speaker 5: Based off the casuals, they say the Lakers... He was
[1:27:04] Speaker 5: the number one seed. But on the other end, what
[1:27:07] Speaker 5: Miami did is credited.
[1:27:09] Speaker 2: Why is that? Why isn't there considered a fluke? They
[1:27:11] Speaker 2: hate LeBron, but you know that. Wait a minute. What
[1:27:13] Speaker 2: was considered a fluke? The Lakers winning the championship 2020. No.
[1:27:16] Speaker 2: Bubble year. It was considered a fluke by the casuals.
[1:27:19] Speaker 2: You hear what I'm saying? It might be the toughest championship.
[1:27:21] Speaker 2: I'm agreeing. Like, just stop your body.
[1:27:23] Speaker 3: I got to win from that season, so I'm going
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: all out. And then come back and rev it up
[1:27:28] Speaker 3: to playoffs with no fans?
[1:27:29] Speaker 2: I'm just making sure. No fans?
[1:27:31] Speaker 6: That's what Dane said. Dane said it was like, it's
[1:27:33] Speaker 6: just mentally, like the show.
[1:27:35] Speaker 2: To see people flourish in that, I'm like, oh no,
[1:27:37] Speaker 2: he a real murderer. TJ Ward was driving 50s in
[1:27:39] Speaker 2: that motherfucker.
[1:27:39] Speaker 3: He's really sick in his head because there's no energy there.
[1:27:42] Speaker 2: You got to create your own space.
[1:27:44] Speaker 3: That's like a guy that go in practice and just
[1:27:46] Speaker 3: pay you up.
[1:27:47] Speaker 2: That was the best hoop we've seen. That's crazy as hell.
[1:27:50] Speaker 1: It's refreshing to hear you say that. A lot of
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: haters really just because LeBron won. Anybody else wins. I
[1:27:54] Speaker 1: really hate that people do that.
[1:27:55] Speaker 3: That might be one of the most coldest championships ever.
[1:27:58] Speaker 2: For him to be as old as he is. I agree.
[1:28:01] Speaker 2: Shut his body down.
[1:28:02] Speaker 3: They basically told everybody the season was over.
[1:28:05] Speaker 2: You take away home court advantage, right? It's all the way.
[1:28:09] Speaker 2: It's all fans. Everybody gets to cheer both sides. No,
[1:28:12] Speaker 2: electronic fans. Electronic fans. I was during coach. I was cheering.
[1:28:16] Speaker 2: I was during coach. I was a speaker. I never
[1:28:21] Speaker 2: heard nothing. It was quiet. Ref said, you can't boo
[1:28:26] Speaker 2: us or you can't have part of it. Ref, you suck.
[1:28:30] Speaker 2: So it was a great environment for everybody to be happy.
[1:28:34] Speaker 2: No pressure. No pressure from nothing. No free throw pressure.
[1:28:37] Speaker 2: I heard all the shit. The best of the best
[1:28:39] Speaker 2: go around. It was a lot of trash talk. It
[1:28:41] Speaker 2: was a lot of trash talk.
[1:28:44] Speaker 3: And I was honestly blown away that there wasn't a
[1:28:47] Speaker 3: lot of text thrown because they were saying all type
[1:28:49] Speaker 3: of crazy shit. It's just because there was no fans,
[1:28:52] Speaker 3: they were just letting it ride because that was the
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: only energy there.
[1:28:55] Speaker 2: The global pandemic. I feel like it was the coldest championship.
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: I would have loved to play in the bubble. Real hoopers.
[1:29:01] Speaker 2: I would have liked to play in a real hoop.
[1:29:03] Speaker 2: That's a different Lockheed.
[1:29:04] Speaker 4: The real hoop was that bubble, but because he wanted
[1:29:08] Speaker 4: everybody this. Jokic lost in the bubble.
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:29:11] Speaker 2: And back fucking MVP, MVP. Giannis... Y'all just had a
[1:29:16] Speaker 2: double-double every game besides the one he got injured in.
[1:29:19] Speaker 2: He went to the championship next year. Devin Booker, right?
[1:29:22] Speaker 2: He went to.
[1:29:24] Speaker 4: The championship next year. That's where Spider-Man was created. That's where,
[1:29:28] Speaker 4: who else came from?
[1:29:30] Speaker 2: Jokic. I mean, not Jokic, but... Bubba Murray? No, Bubba
[1:29:33] Speaker 2: Murray came from there. T.J. Warren scored 50. He was
[1:29:37] Speaker 2: the only one that lost. Luka. What Luka did to
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: the Clippers.
[1:29:43] Speaker 4: All of the real hoopers who hooped there, when they
[1:29:46] Speaker 4: came out of there, they were a whole different beast.
[1:29:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. You ain't lying. You ain't lying. That bubble shit
[1:29:54] Speaker 2: was hard.
[1:29:54] Speaker 5: Chris Paul was on that OKC team.
[1:29:56] Speaker 2: Shea elevated after that. And we didn't really hear about it.
[1:30:01] Speaker 2: After the bubble. sitting in the hotel just thinking about who. Yeah.
[1:30:06] Speaker 3: Y'all can maybe go back and watch that whole bubble.
[1:30:08] Speaker 3: That was some good bumps. That was some great bumps.
[1:30:10] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Whoever the casuals are that went
[1:30:14] Speaker 3: out here.
[1:30:14] Speaker 2: It's a lot of them. Like you said, it's still
[1:30:17] Speaker 2: from April. That was good bumps.
[1:30:18] Speaker 3: The fucking don't.
[1:30:20] Speaker 2: That's the hit. The only reason they say it don't count,
[1:30:23] Speaker 2: like you said, is because of Braun. Every other championship
[1:30:26] Speaker 2: during the pandemic counted. They say Tom Brady's championship counted.
[1:30:29] Speaker 2: I think, who wasn't? Baylor in college, they won it.
[1:30:32] Speaker 2: Everybody else's championship counted except for Braun. That's because all
[1:30:37] Speaker 2: the people, they all had the clippers. They all said
[1:30:40] Speaker 2: the Clippers was going to win, and.
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: That's, well, when they all lost, it was like, oh.
[1:30:45] Speaker 6: I said, buddy, he's going to average 20. He had
[1:30:47] Speaker 6: a dude in his highest of his prime. I was
[1:30:49] Speaker 6: just thinking about hooping. He's going to go to the Celtics.
[1:30:52] Speaker 2: And average 20. And change the world. He's going to
[1:30:55] Speaker 2: average a dog. He's going to change the world. I
[1:30:57] Speaker 2: just said he's going to average 20. He picked Sean.
[1:31:00] Speaker 2: One man can change the world. I'm not putting no
[1:31:02] Speaker 2: name on it. Yes, you did. I'm saying, though, bro,
[1:31:05] Speaker 2: think about it, bro. If you go to the Clippers,
[1:31:07] Speaker 2: you don't hooper shit, bro. They should have won a
[1:31:10] Speaker 2: championship during that time. Who? The Clippers.
[1:31:12] Speaker 6: You don't think the Clippers should have won a championship
[1:31:16] Speaker 6: during that time?
[1:31:17] Speaker 2: I do.
[1:31:18] Speaker 3: They had a good coach. They had Kawhi, Paul, George.
[1:31:21] Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
[1:31:23] Speaker 2: I saw the matchup that year between the Lakers and Clippers.
[1:31:25] Speaker 2: But you got to remember, right before the bubble, Clippers
[1:31:29] Speaker 2: was bumping. Clippers was bumping.
[1:31:32] Speaker 1: The Lakers beat the Clippers right before the season ended.
[1:31:36] Speaker 4: You're talking about getting shut down and sat in a gym.
[1:31:39] Speaker 4: with a bunch of NBA players who lives lifestyles, right?
[1:31:44] Speaker 4: So we have players that their pregame is go to
[1:31:46] Speaker 4: the club.
[1:31:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:31:47] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:31:48] Speaker 2: Go to strip club, go to the club, and that's
[1:31:50] Speaker 2: how they... Now you're saying, no, you can't do that
[1:31:52] Speaker 2: sit here. That changed his game. Right? So now you're
[1:31:55] Speaker 2: talking about just straight hoop, and you're talking about a
[1:31:57] Speaker 2: Clipper team... Think about that Clipper team. That Clipper team.
[1:32:02] Speaker 4: Got to sit in the hotel and just think about basketball.
[1:32:04] Speaker 2: I'm sorry, brother. I hoop like Paul George and I
[1:32:06] Speaker 2: got Kawhi.
[1:32:07] Speaker 6: On my team, I'm winning the championship. I hoop like
[1:32:09] Speaker 6: Paul George and I got Kawhi on my team, I'm
[1:32:11] Speaker 6: winning the championship no matter what's going on, brother. That
[1:32:14] Speaker 6: Clippers team was too good to lose.
[1:32:16] Speaker 2: That Clippers team had flaws. Now this is outside. They're
[1:32:19] Speaker 2: going to do their outside world life. Cool. Cool. But
[1:32:22] Speaker 2: you're talking about sitting here and just think about hoop.
[1:32:25] Speaker 2: And now you got LeBron. You're playing against LeBron. And
[1:32:27] Speaker 2: that's his world. Got to go home. You ain't going out.
[1:32:29] Speaker 2: You ain't going out. We're going to focus. We're going
[1:32:31] Speaker 2: to sit down. That's. You got to see him every
[1:32:33] Speaker 2: day at the hotel pool? Everybody else over there. Hey, man,
[1:32:35] Speaker 2: can we get the girls in another hotel? Can we
[1:32:37] Speaker 2: get one? That's a skill, locking in. That's a skill.
[1:32:41] Speaker 2: That's a skill. That's a skill. We know who the
[1:32:44] Speaker 2: best at it. Whoever the fans are that said that bubble,
[1:32:47] Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, that's some bullshit. That's a raw-ass trophy.
[1:32:49] Speaker 2: I ain't going to lie. Can we see they all
[1:32:50] Speaker 2: at the hotel pool? Oh, there's a lobby. Huh? In
[1:32:53] Speaker 2: the hotel pool in the lobby. Hotel pool, all dudes
[1:32:55] Speaker 2: is crazy. I know one team who would do that.
[1:32:58] Speaker 2: Hotel pool, all guys is insane behavior.
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: But I'm saying you got to see him. You got
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: to see him. You mind your business trying to go fishing.
[1:33:07] Speaker 1: There's LeBron.
[1:33:08] Speaker 2: Wheelies. Beach cruiser.

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