# The Cleveland Cavaliers NEED To BLOW IT UP!!!

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 28 May 2026, 2 h 06 min.

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The Cleveland Cavaliers NEED To BLOW IT UP according to Gil's Arena as the Gil's Arena Crew breaks down what went wrong for the Cavs as they went out sorry, getting swept by the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals. They debate if the team should blow it up after James Harden & Donovan Mitchell proved they do not have enough juice to overcome the best in the East and discuss how this impacts Harden's legacy as the Beard failed to make noise in the NBA Playoffs once again. Next, they react to Anthony Edwards speaking out about his move to shake hands with the San Antonio Spurs long before the game ended and debate if Ant-Man is too real to become the face of the NBA as he refuses to not keep it real. Finally, they react to Adam Silver's appearance on the Pat McAfee show where the NBA Commissioner gave his takes on issues facing the league like flopping & officiating, anti-tanking rules and the new draft lottery policy. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Start building credit with Kikoff today, and get your first month for as little as one dollar. That’s 80% off the normal price when you go to https://getkikoff.com/arena today SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena, presented by underdog, Whoop Whoop!
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[0:06] Speaker 2: All right, you said that too strong.
[0:08] Speaker 1: Swaggy. You said that too strong.
[0:10] Speaker 3: Swaggy, why you always oppressing me? You came back from
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[0:35] Speaker 3: Josiah Johnson. We're joined by NBA champion of the world,
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[0:45] Speaker 1: Nick Young. I ain't been in a while, so you
[0:50] Speaker 1: got to bring it in. Okay. Always make eye contact, though, Swaggy,
[0:54] Speaker 1: even when you bow. You right.
[0:57] Speaker 2: See?
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[1:41] Speaker 3: We got a lot of things to discuss. Here's what's
[1:43] Speaker 3: cracking in Gil's arena today. The Cavs reached the Eastern
[1:47] Speaker 3: Conference Finals for the first time since 2018 and got
[1:50] Speaker 3: hit with the broom. Should Cleveland run it back with
[1:53] Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell and James Harden? And should they add some
[1:56] Speaker 3: potential other free agents? Big name stars? Some Greco-Nigerians, perhaps?
[2:00] Speaker 3: We will discuss. Adam Silver addressed flopping and foul baiting,
[2:05] Speaker 3: but said the NBA's officiating has been incredible.
[2:08] Speaker 1: Is he spitting or tripping?
[2:10] Speaker 3: And the league is set to vote on anti-tanking draft
[2:14] Speaker 3: lottery reform. But will it really stop teams from tanking
[2:17] Speaker 3: a lot of new initiatives, fines, penalties, can't get number
[2:20] Speaker 3: one pick two years in a row? We'll see what
[2:23] Speaker 3: it'll do. for the league. But before we get into
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[3:12] Speaker 3: get your podcasts. So, we're going to start this show
[3:15] Speaker 3: on the high school basketball circuit. Kendrick Perkins found himself
[3:19] Speaker 3: in a heated situation at an AAU tournament this weekend
[3:22] Speaker 3: involving his son's team. Let's take a look at the
[3:24] Speaker 3: video if we can. So TMZ Sports obtained video of
[3:29] Speaker 3: the incident involving Perkins and a coach from an opposing
[3:32] Speaker 3: squad during an AU game at the Trey Young Family
[3:36] Speaker 3: Athletic Center in Norman, Ohio. Shout out to Trey Young
[3:39] Speaker 3: in the Family Athletic Center.
[3:40] Speaker 1: What?
[3:41] Speaker 2: He from Ohio? Or Oklahoma, excuse me. Norman, Oklahoma.
[3:44] Speaker 3: Trey is from Oklahoma. I was just so overcome by
[3:47] Speaker 3: the video, Swaggy. Confusing my states. Perkins and the coach
[3:51] Speaker 3: had to be restrained as they exchanged unpleasantries following a
[3:53] Speaker 3: chippy game between their two squads. So Big Perk made
[3:56] Speaker 3: an appearance on the Pat McAfee Show Wednesday to address
[3:59] Speaker 3: the situation and give his side of the story.
[4:02] Speaker 4: Well, in a tournament, it's a heated game. You know,
[4:04] Speaker 4: 17 youth, they're going back and forth, whatever. We end
[4:08] Speaker 4: up winning the game.
[4:09] Speaker 2: All right, cool.
[4:11] Speaker 4: Well, the other team, they had this guy that's like 7'400.
[4:15] Speaker 4: After the game, he comes and he body slams one
[4:23] Speaker 4: of my kids that play for my team. So I
[4:26] Speaker 4: stay seated. Then I get up because everybody running around,
[4:30] Speaker 4: the players, they about to fight. So as a responsible,
[4:35] Speaker 4: you know, owner of the organization, I get up and
[4:38] Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, man, y'all need to chill.
[4:41] Speaker 2: You know, X, Y, and Z, I'm grabbing my players.
[4:43] Speaker 4: I tell the coach of the other team, I'm like, hey, bro,
[4:47] Speaker 4: get your players. I got mine. He pop off. And
[4:51] Speaker 4: I ain't getting nothing. I ain't getting nothing. Who the
[4:53] Speaker 4: hell are you? I'm like, bro, just get your players
[4:55] Speaker 4: so I can get mine. We can get up out
[4:57] Speaker 4: of here. He said it. He got smart with me again.
[4:59] Speaker 4: That's when I got pissed off. I'm like, bro, who
[5:03] Speaker 4: the hell are you talking to? Man, I'm talking to you.
[5:05] Speaker 4: So then all of a sudden, you know, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. Now,
[5:09] Speaker 4: what people didn't see was after that, We had a
[5:12] Speaker 4: little exchange. Yeah, they held us back or whatever. Held
[5:15] Speaker 4: him back, held me back. And then afterwards, we dabbled up.
[5:19] Speaker 4: He said, my bad. I said, my bad. And we
[5:21] Speaker 4: kept it moving.
[5:22] Speaker 1: Okay.
[5:22] Speaker 2: So Swaggy, you said that does happen at an AU tournament.
[5:25] Speaker 3: But what's your thoughts on Big Park getting active at
[5:28] Speaker 3: an AU tournament?
[5:29] Speaker 1: It happens.
[5:29] Speaker 5: I was in the Bay, you know, with the kids
[5:32] Speaker 5: and stuff. They had a tournament out there. It was
[5:34] Speaker 5: in the hood, you know. And stuff like that happens,
[5:38] Speaker 5: you know. When they see the NBA player on the
[5:40] Speaker 5: other side, They try to get their little 15 minutes
[5:44] Speaker 5: of fame. So I could see that happening. You know,
[5:49] Speaker 5: kids from the Valley got in their first fight in
[5:51] Speaker 5: the Bay. My son ran over. I was proud of
[5:53] Speaker 5: my son being the first one to run to his
[5:56] Speaker 5: teammate and help. So I got up like, hey, man, no,
[5:59] Speaker 5: he ain't doing this. It's the Bay. You got to
[6:01] Speaker 5: make it out of here. You got to leave, be
[6:03] Speaker 5: able to leave. Then the coaches, you know. What part
[6:07] Speaker 5: of the Bay swagger?
[6:08] Speaker 1: Oakland. Oakland. The town.
[6:11] Speaker 2: And it was in the hood. Town business. Town business.
[6:15] Speaker 5: They circling around, you know, like the old hood. High
[6:19] Speaker 5: school games, it was all in there. Throwing up every sign. First,
[6:25] Speaker 5: they started off taking pictures. Then it went from pictures to,
[6:28] Speaker 5: fuck you, swaggy type.
[6:30] Speaker 1: I'm like, all right. It got real aggressive. It got
[6:34] Speaker 1: real aggressive. I'm like, all right. Let me get your picture, man.
[6:38] Speaker 1: Fuck you, though.
[6:39] Speaker 2: For real. So I can see that definitely happening. For sure.
[6:42] Speaker 2: For sure.
[6:43] Speaker 5: Happening just like that. I commend Perk for not throwing
[6:49] Speaker 5: no punches. He's a big guy. He could have threw
[6:54] Speaker 5: these people off him if he really wanted action.
[6:57] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[6:58] Speaker 3: Seven foot, 400 pounds. Center on the other side. The
[7:01] Speaker 3: wine is on play now. I'm a little bit exaggerated.
[7:04] Speaker 1: 400? Yeah. The way he was moving in that video
[7:08] Speaker 1: don't sound like the shit he was saying in the video.
[7:10] Speaker 1: Can we see the video again, please? The way he
[7:12] Speaker 1: was moving in that video, it don't sound like Perk
[7:15] Speaker 1: was being nice in that exchange. Right?
[7:17] Speaker 2: Just get your players.
[7:18] Speaker 1: Just get your players and I'm going to get my players.
[7:20] Speaker 1: We're going to go over here and you go over there.
[7:22] Speaker 2: That doesn't look like that's what you were saying.
[7:24] Speaker 5: But think about it. You see one of your players
[7:26] Speaker 5: get slammed. Slam that? What if it was your slam?
[7:30] Speaker 1: I think I can see that. Right? That's what I'm saying.
[7:33] Speaker 1: Put your dukes up. Get low. Don't let nobody slam you.
[7:36] Speaker 1: Get low, nigga. Remember I told you to get low.
[7:40] Speaker 1: You just let nobody slam you. It could have been unexpected, too, though.
[7:43] Speaker 2: Seven foot? You can see the kid, I believe, in
[7:45] Speaker 2: the background of that video. He does look mighty huff. Hey,
[7:48] Speaker 2: if you want to let a nigga let you go,
[7:49] Speaker 2: hit him in the balls.
[7:50] Speaker 1: Go on ahead.
[7:51] Speaker 2: That's what I tell him, man. Go on ahead.
[7:52] Speaker 1: He'll let you go. He'll let you go.
[7:54] Speaker 3: I bless your door to you, Mr. B. What are
[7:57] Speaker 3: your thoughts on Big Perk getting active at an AU tournament?
[7:59] Speaker 3: We heard his side of the story. At least it
[8:01] Speaker 3: ended peacefully. They dapped up.
[8:04] Speaker 2: I mean, I love it.
[8:05] Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's needed more.
[8:07] Speaker 6: I mean, if that's his organization and those are his kids,
[8:10] Speaker 6: and if somebody did get body slammed, that's the first
[8:13] Speaker 6: thing that you go do. You go protect your team.
[8:15] Speaker 6: As far as, like, a lot of people that are
[8:18] Speaker 6: at these AU games and they see NBA players and
[8:21] Speaker 6: they say a lot of slick stuff to them, you know,
[8:26] Speaker 6: I just find it funny. You know, because that's, you know,
[8:29] Speaker 6: that's just things that they do like coaches and, you know,
[8:32] Speaker 6: guys who are, if it's a coach, if it's a
[8:35] Speaker 6: parent talking crazy to Kendrick Perkins or NBA players saying, oh,
[8:38] Speaker 6: your career wasn't like this or like that. It's kind
[8:40] Speaker 6: of really, you know, not relevant because, I mean, you know,
[8:43] Speaker 6: I kind of look at people that are, who are
[8:46] Speaker 6: these AAU coaches that never did make it. that you
[8:49] Speaker 6: have to live your life through other kids to make it.
[8:52] Speaker 6: So a lot of these AAU coaches out here that
[8:55] Speaker 6: never touched that hardwood floor on the NBA court got
[8:59] Speaker 6: to relax a little bit. If you didn't have Jerry
[9:01] Speaker 6: across your chest, I think you kind of got to
[9:02] Speaker 6: relax as an AAU coach and just do your job
[9:05] Speaker 6: and get your kids. Now, as far as AAU, I mean,
[9:09] Speaker 6: AAU is life or death, man, to a lot of
[9:11] Speaker 6: these kids. I mean, every week you got to go
[9:13] Speaker 6: out there and you got to compete.
[9:15] Speaker 2: Right.
[9:16] Speaker 1: And it's been life or death since I was 11
[9:18] Speaker 1: years old.
[9:19] Speaker 6: So I know by the time you get 17, you know,
[9:21] Speaker 6: you're going to college the next year. And like myself,
[9:24] Speaker 6: I've been played at the highest level since 11 when
[9:27] Speaker 6: it came to AAU. So this happens all the time.
[9:30] Speaker 6: This is nothing new. You know, usually, you know, we
[9:33] Speaker 6: see chairs getting thrown, all type of things.
[9:35] Speaker 1: So this was kind of like.
[9:38] Speaker 2: We had cameras back in the day. Yeah.
[9:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[9:40] Speaker 6: I mean, Ball is Life and all that, Hoop Mixtape,
[9:42] Speaker 6: all that stuff was still there.
[9:44] Speaker 2: But no, shout out to Perk. And, yeah. It's different nowadays, though.
[9:48] Speaker 2: $ 20 for parking.
[9:49] Speaker 5: $ 60 for the weekend.
[9:53] Speaker 3: You got to be very, very judicious. Acting like you broke, man.
[9:57] Speaker 3: Pay for everybody parking, man.
[9:59] Speaker 1: Back in the day, you could just walk in the gym.
[10:02] Speaker 1: Now they got parking passes and shit. Now I ain't
[10:04] Speaker 1: going to front the parking. Parking's $ 100. Wristbands, parking for
[10:08] Speaker 1: the weekend.
[10:09] Speaker 2: I went to one.
[10:10] Speaker 1: It was like $ 100.
[10:13] Speaker 5: Got multiple kids. They play at different gyms and you
[10:15] Speaker 5: got to pay each parking, each car.
[10:18] Speaker 1: Teach your kid another sport it's decreased parking in other
[10:21] Speaker 1: sports or or or how about.
[10:24] Speaker 6: This your son just ain't good enough we gotta miss
[10:28] Speaker 6: out this weekend yeah we gotta miss out this weekend
[10:31] Speaker 6: i'm paying a hundred dollars and your ass ain't playing
[10:33] Speaker 6: we gotta miss out this weekend.
[10:34] Speaker 2: Son to the chess club yeah.
[10:36] Speaker 1: Like something else let's go play some golf i don't
[10:38] Speaker 1: know let's do ain't no parking over here it's free
[10:41] Speaker 1: park if your son is trash and you're paying that. Yeah,
[10:44] Speaker 1: your son is trash. Just because you want to see
[10:47] Speaker 1: y'all at the game. He's like, man, Nick Young is
[10:49] Speaker 1: going to be at the game. We're going to go.
[10:52] Speaker 1: I'm going to get his autograph. Son, look, you're not
[10:54] Speaker 1: playing this weekend. Are you nice? Are you nice?
[10:58] Speaker 2: 17U, they really like 18, 19.
[10:59] Speaker 5: They got some man strength. They said they 17U, but
[11:03] Speaker 5: they two-year hell back slamming your son.
[11:07] Speaker 6: No, but I heard now in AAU, if you're a
[11:10] Speaker 6: kid that's a freshman that's playing... and he's 15 and
[11:13] Speaker 6: he plays for his varsity team, he has to play
[11:16] Speaker 6: 15 and under now.
[11:17] Speaker 1: Like, they don't let a kid, like, go up anymore.
[11:19] Speaker 2: I've never seen that.
[11:20] Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
[11:21] Speaker 2: That's crazy.
[11:22] Speaker 6: I think that's the most dumbest thing ever. Like, because
[11:26] Speaker 6: you're playing freshman as varsity, right?
[11:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[11:29] Speaker 6: Okay, so when you turned, when AAU came, did you
[11:31] Speaker 6: play your own age or did you play 17 and under?
[11:34] Speaker 2: As a freshman in high school? Yeah.
[11:37] Speaker 1: Shit, I was.
[11:39] Speaker 2: I played in my high school team, too. Yeah, I
[11:41] Speaker 2: was 17.
[11:42] Speaker 1: No, I played 16s. Okay, so you played 16s. Because
[11:45] Speaker 1: I was younger. I went up. They had that back
[11:48] Speaker 1: in the day? 16s. The different age groups? Yeah, 16s.
[11:53] Speaker 1: 16U was big. Remember Houston Hoos back in the day?
[11:57] Speaker 2: No, we played them.
[11:58] Speaker 1: I played Perk. That's how I know Perk. Perk was
[12:01] Speaker 1: in him and in the EV. If you in varsity,
[12:03] Speaker 1: you play everybody. You're talking about in high school, right? Yeah.
[12:08] Speaker 6: So for your high school team, right, if you're 15,
[12:11] Speaker 6: so as a freshman.
[12:11] Speaker 5: As long as you play varsity, you could play anybody
[12:14] Speaker 5: like in the offseason, in the tournament and all that.
[12:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, but did you play in your age group or
[12:20] Speaker 2: did you play up? That's what I'm saying.
[12:22] Speaker 1: So when you was 15, what age group did you play?
[12:25] Speaker 2: It wasn't no age group. I played for the pumps.
[12:28] Speaker 1: So what age group was that, though? I don't know. Yeah,
[12:31] Speaker 1: yours was 14. You had to be freshman year 14.
[12:33] Speaker 2: I didn't play my freshman year. Oh, 15 was the
[12:36] Speaker 2: sophomore year.
[12:37] Speaker 6: Okay, so for me, my freshman year, I played varsity.
[12:40] Speaker 6: When AAU came, I played 17 and under. I didn't
[12:43] Speaker 6: go back down and play.
[12:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[12:44] Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. So they had 1,700 back
[12:47] Speaker 1: in the day. So they went and got Brandon to
[12:50] Speaker 1: play 17s because he was good enough as a freshman.
[12:53] Speaker 1: So even if he made.
[12:55] Speaker 5: They had the ABCD and all that back then.
[12:58] Speaker 1: So they didn't have no age group for that.
[13:00] Speaker 2: I thought it was like.
[13:00] Speaker 1: No, there ain't no age group. But the AAU tournaments
[13:05] Speaker 1: are different where you can still... Him being good enough
[13:08] Speaker 1: to play with 17s would be cheating for him to
[13:11] Speaker 1: play 15s.
[13:13] Speaker 6: And that's what they do now. So if you're a
[13:15] Speaker 6: freshman and you play Varsity, they make you play your
[13:18] Speaker 6: own age. So a 15 can't, they say it's a
[13:20] Speaker 6: waste of time for him to play 17.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Like Cooper Flagg, like Cooper Flagg playing against certain guys.
[13:24] Speaker 2: Taylor King, Taylor King. Shout out to Taylor King. He
[13:27] Speaker 2: was in eighth grade.
[13:28] Speaker 1: Playing with us on the pumps against the Atlanta Celtics.
[13:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[13:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how good he was. So that's what we're saying.
[13:33] Speaker 1: That's why I didn't feel like it. I didn't know
[13:35] Speaker 1: it was like an age group, 16 and under.
[13:36] Speaker 2: Oh, yes. No. Yeah, they have 16, then they have 17.
[13:39] Speaker 3: The Atlanta Celtics, that always felt like an oxymoron to me,
[13:41] Speaker 3: but obviously a great AU program. Shaw, what's the craziest
[13:46] Speaker 3: thing you've seen go down at the AAU game?
[13:48] Speaker 1: Craziest thing? I ain't really seen no, because I don't
[13:50] Speaker 1: be going to the AAU shits. I mean, last one
[13:54] Speaker 1: I went to was Russ Westbrook did the EYBL up
[13:59] Speaker 1: at the Sports Academy, probably like 2017.
[14:02] Speaker 2: But even like when you were playing, was there anything?
[14:06] Speaker 1: Nah.
[14:06] Speaker 2: Everything was, you were huffed back then, so. Yeah, I mean,
[14:09] Speaker 2: we was just running shit. It wasn't no fights and
[14:12] Speaker 2: none of that shit. Who'd you play for? Charlotte Royals.
[14:15] Speaker 1: Who?
[14:16] Speaker 2: Charlotte Royals. I don't know who that is. Y'all played
[14:19] Speaker 2: in the Bob Gibbons tournament back there?
[14:21] Speaker 1: You had to be really good to be in Bob Gibbons.
[14:22] Speaker 2: Bob Gibbons, Boo Williams.
[14:24] Speaker 1: Like really, really good. You never played for SoCal. You
[14:29] Speaker 1: wasn't with SoCal. You wasn't with SoCal. You wasn't with SoCal.
[14:32] Speaker 1: You wasn't with SoCal. He wasn't over there with us.
[14:34] Speaker 1: He wasn't with SoCal. He wasn't over there with us. Who?
[14:38] Speaker 1: Dwight Howard? Dwight Howard, Josh Smith, Point Guard, Randolph.
[14:46] Speaker 2: Randolph.
[14:46] Speaker 1: You're talking Point Guard. For the Celtics. Y'all didn't beat
[14:49] Speaker 1: Dwight Howard and Josh Smith. KG ain't know.
[14:53] Speaker 2: I can't think of his name.
[14:55] Speaker 1: Rondo? Yeah, Rondo. Rondo, they had all them in. Valley. Yeah.
[15:00] Speaker 1: Who was your team? Me, Jordan Formar. That was right
[15:06] Speaker 1: after me. Lorenzo Mata. You was on that squad? Shout
[15:11] Speaker 1: out to Lorenzo Mata. Hold on. Hold on. What was
[15:14] Speaker 1: the name of your team? The Pump and Run. Oh,
[15:17] Speaker 1: you was on Pump. Yeah, we didn't play Adidas. They
[15:20] Speaker 1: didn't go that far. They weren't that good. They wasn't
[15:22] Speaker 1: that good.
[15:24] Speaker 6: Pump and Run duck smoke all the time.
[15:28] Speaker 1: Hey, shout out to the Pump brothers. He goes to
[15:30] Speaker 1: the Pucks. That's why I did beat the Atlanta Celtics.
[15:36] Speaker 1: Y'all wouldn't beat NC. They used to duck smoke. They
[15:41] Speaker 1: were so scared of us, SCA. You was not rocking
[15:45] Speaker 1: with us. Y'all never came to Bob Gibbons. Y'all never
[15:47] Speaker 1: was at Houston tournaments. None of that. Y'all was never
[15:50] Speaker 1: in the smoke. How'd he beat the Atlanta Celtics if
[15:53] Speaker 1: he wasn't in? Because y'all went to Vegas. And they
[15:54] Speaker 1: was the number one. Y'all took a three-hour drive. I
[15:56] Speaker 1: went to Vegas. That's the only part of tournament.
[15:59] Speaker 2: Niggas went to.
[16:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, they went to Vegas. That's what the street.
[16:01] Speaker 2: And that's down the street.
[16:02] Speaker 1: They ain't never went to the East Coast and got
[16:05] Speaker 1: with them dudes on your team. Who was on your team?
[16:08] Speaker 1: Who was on my team? Yes. Because I had five
[16:10] Speaker 1: NBA players on my team. Me, Kevin Love, Taylor King,
[16:14] Speaker 1: Ronaldo Sidney.
[16:15] Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Malik Story. Legends.
[16:18] Speaker 1: Daniel Hackett that went to SC.
[16:19] Speaker 2: Yeah. I forgot the name.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[16:22] Speaker 2: Right there. Toss Gibson?
[16:23] Speaker 1: Yeah. Toss Gibson? Yeah. 38-0. I know y'all were cheating
[16:31] Speaker 1: because Todd was 22 as a freshman. It was 22
[16:35] Speaker 1: years ago as a freshman. I don't care. I don't care.
[16:38] Speaker 1: I don't care. Todd was the old head. I don't care.
[16:42] Speaker 1: Todd looked fine to us. He had a bald head. Hey,
[16:46] Speaker 1: he aged earlier. So what? You got nothing to do
[16:49] Speaker 1: with him? Nah, not with the gold teeth. Not with
[16:52] Speaker 1: the gold teeth. You got teeth and a bald head.
[16:54] Speaker 1: You can't have an old beard with a bald head
[16:56] Speaker 1: at 14, bro. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving.
[17:01] Speaker 1: Appreciate you doing it. That's funny.
[17:02] Speaker 2: Shout out to AAU Days. Hone it down.
[17:04] Speaker 3: That's my dog. Explaining the situation. Does it for the kids.
[17:08] Speaker 3: Has his AAU program out there.
[17:10] Speaker 1: Doing his thing.
[17:10] Speaker 2: Shout out to AAU. White kids are nervous. Back down
[17:13] Speaker 2: memory lane. Shout out Sonny McCarroll.
[17:16] Speaker 1: Kiss on the cheek. That's going to be like a
[17:18] Speaker 1: culture shock for some kids, too, seeing all that. That's
[17:21] Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be, though. You're supposed to be
[17:23] Speaker 1: there to see all the top players. Grab her son.
[17:26] Speaker 1: Did you ever go to Disney World? This is so ghetto.
[17:31] Speaker 1: She said, this is so ghetto. Y'all got to go
[17:34] Speaker 1: to Disney World?
[17:35] Speaker 2: You got to go to Disney World?
[17:36] Speaker 1: That was Nationals. Nationals was in Florida. Orlando.
[17:39] Speaker 6: I never played. I'm too good to even know about that.
[17:48] Speaker 6: I'm saying, were you good enough to go to Orlando
[17:49] Speaker 6: and play?
[17:50] Speaker 2: I was too good to play.
[17:52] Speaker 6: At 14 years old, I saw Tariq Evans early.
[17:56] Speaker 1: Me, DeMar, Drew Holiday, everybody. We all there.
[18:00] Speaker 5: Were you good enough to go? Only reason y'all played.
[18:03] Speaker 5: I made this cool. Y'all came after me. I didn't
[18:05] Speaker 5: know about no 1416. It's been around since forever.
[18:08] Speaker 1: What you mean? I never knew about it. I was
[18:10] Speaker 1: too good. I was just playing. Just take me there.
[18:13] Speaker 1: You was just too good.
[18:14] Speaker 2: Too good.
[18:14] Speaker 1: Okay.
[18:15] Speaker 2: Shout out to Coco.
[18:16] Speaker 1: You didn't start until your sophomore year. You didn't start
[18:19] Speaker 1: until your sophomore year, bro. You was too good. You
[18:21] Speaker 1: would have been playing in seventh grade.
[18:23] Speaker 2: I was on the street.
[18:24] Speaker 1: Who's playing in seventh grade? Seventh grade, it was like,
[18:27] Speaker 1: where you playing? I was a hot sauce.
[18:29] Speaker 2: Ain't no way.
[18:30] Speaker 1: Ain't no way you 12 years old. Ain't no way
[18:33] Speaker 1: you 12. Robots see me dribbling the ball and say, hey, man,
[18:36] Speaker 1: you want a hoop?
[18:39] Speaker 2: That's how the.
[18:39] Speaker 1: Rest of us do it. My dad, where is his
[18:41] Speaker 1: birth certificate? Ain't no way.
[18:43] Speaker 2: Ain't no way he 12 dunking like that.
[18:45] Speaker 1: No. Let's keep this moving. Back to the NBA. Let's
[18:51] Speaker 1: move back to the NBA.
[18:52] Speaker 3: Cavs reached the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time
[18:54] Speaker 3: since 2018. And the first time without LeBron since 1992.
[19:00] Speaker 3: Proceeded to get absolutely embarrassed in a sweep by the Knicks.
[19:02] Speaker 3: Started in game one when they blew a 22-point fourth
[19:05] Speaker 3: quarter lead and got outscored 44-11 from that point on
[19:08] Speaker 3: in that game. Ended with a 37-point loss on their
[19:11] Speaker 3: home floor with Knicks fans taking over the arena and
[19:14] Speaker 3: chanting Knicks in four. Did not let Fat Joe sit courtside.
[19:19] Speaker 3: So after Cleveland got eliminated, Donovan Mitchell had this to say.
[19:24] Speaker 7: No doubt that this group can get there. I've said
[19:26] Speaker 7: that all year. I think the biggest thing is you
[19:31] Speaker 7: just use it as a learning lesson. It's a tough
[19:34] Speaker 7: learning lesson.
[19:36] Speaker 2: But now we know, right?
[19:39] Speaker 7: I mean, that's not how I like to say things, but, you.
[19:43] Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
[19:43] Speaker 7: We know, you know what I mean? And this team
[19:46] Speaker 7: that we just faced had to go through this. Maybe
[19:48] Speaker 7: not this way, right? But, um, every day they've been together,
[19:52] Speaker 7: they've been a core group and had to, had to
[19:54] Speaker 7: go through this tough experience. So this is, it's our turn. Um,
[20:00] Speaker 7: and I'm sorry for, for the city of Cleveland for
[20:03] Speaker 7: us to, for it to be like this in a sweep, like.
[20:07] Speaker 1: That's ass.
[20:08] Speaker 2: Like, you know what I'm saying?
[20:09] Speaker 7: But, I told y'all last year, and I'll tell y'all again,
[20:12] Speaker 7: we'll be back, and we'll be ready, and we'll be hungry,
[20:15] Speaker 7: and we'll be locked in.
[20:18] Speaker 1: But, yeah.
[20:22] Speaker 2: That's ass.
[20:24] Speaker 3: We hear our lone Cavs fan clapping, saluting. Donovan Mitchell
[20:28] Speaker 3: got out of the second round first time in his career.
[20:30] Speaker 3: Cavs finished the playoffs with an 8-10 record, which was
[20:33] Speaker 3: literally the worst possible record you could have reaching the
[20:36] Speaker 3: conference finals. But they played every other day since April 29th.
[20:40] Speaker 3: So after their first two series, both went seven games
[20:42] Speaker 3: heading into that conference finals. But as Donovan Mitchell admitted,
[20:45] Speaker 3: the Cavs' unfavorable postseason schedule was a result of them
[20:48] Speaker 3: not being able to close out their first two series faster. Mr. B,
[20:54] Speaker 3: we'll start with you. You've had varying thoughts about Donovan Mitchell,
[20:57] Speaker 3: number one option. Got to the Eastern Conference Finals. Do
[21:00] Speaker 3: you consider this Cavs season to be a success despite
[21:03] Speaker 3: getting swept in that Eastern Conference Finals?
[21:06] Speaker 2: No.
[21:07] Speaker 4: No.
[21:07] Speaker 6: I'm not going to call it a success because they
[21:09] Speaker 6: went all in to try to make a finals run
[21:13] Speaker 6: by trading Garland, who was younger, and they went and
[21:15] Speaker 6: got James Harden. So they didn't reach the finals. So, no,
[21:18] Speaker 6: that's not a success. Donovan Mitchell also didn't show that
[21:22] Speaker 6: he's a number one option on a championship team because
[21:25] Speaker 6: he just let James Harden. He was looking to James
[21:27] Speaker 6: Harden to take over, and this is his team. And
[21:31] Speaker 6: that's been the biggest thing we've been talking about since
[21:34] Speaker 6: day one, since I've been on here, And you want
[21:36] Speaker 6: to be a superstar and you want all these things.
[21:38] Speaker 6: But when it comes down to it, you over here
[21:42] Speaker 6: looking at James Harden. If I'm the Cleveland Cavaliers, they're
[21:46] Speaker 6: probably going to extend James Harden, which, I mean, I
[21:50] Speaker 6: will let him walk.
[21:51] Speaker 1: I would probably trade.
[21:53] Speaker 6: I'm looking to trade everybody at this point because we're
[21:55] Speaker 6: in a position where.
[21:56] Speaker 1: We can't do anything.
[21:57] Speaker 2: Our future is cooked.
[22:00] Speaker 1: We have the highest payroll. So.
[22:03] Speaker 6: We're just kind of looking like it's time to rebuild
[22:05] Speaker 6: at this point now, because if we run it back
[22:07] Speaker 6: next year, well, Detroit's going to be better. The Knicks
[22:10] Speaker 6: are going to be better depending on where Giannis go.
[22:13] Speaker 6: If he stay on the East, you better hope he,
[22:15] Speaker 6: if he go to Miami, they're going to be better.
[22:18] Speaker 6: The Celtics are going to be better. The Hornets, the Hawks.
[22:22] Speaker 6: So all these teams are going to be better. So
[22:24] Speaker 6: if you're looking for the future, the future is cooked.
[22:28] Speaker 6: Like they're really, they just really just cooked themselves. And,
[22:31] Speaker 6: Going to the Eastern Conference Finals, getting swept, I mean,
[22:33] Speaker 6: you didn't show anything. So you know you're not going
[22:36] Speaker 6: to get back there next year because teams are coming
[22:38] Speaker 6: back better. So I think they're cooked. If I'm looking
[22:41] Speaker 6: at the Cleveland Cavaliers, I'm trying to rebuild. And I'm
[22:44] Speaker 6: not giving Donovan Mitchell an extension. And if you do,
[22:47] Speaker 6: then you're going to have to try to go find
[22:48] Speaker 6: a number one option. And I don't even think you
[22:51] Speaker 6: can do that.
[22:52] Speaker 1: So go ahead. Damn.
[22:56] Speaker 2: Some harsh criticism right there.
[22:58] Speaker 1: Go ahead.
[23:00] Speaker 3: Now let's move over to this side of the game.
[23:02] Speaker 3: You seem irritated. That was very passionate. I mean, go
[23:06] Speaker 3: look at the payroll. Mr. B, earlier in the postseason,
[23:09] Speaker 3: you were close to potentially issuing an apology to Donovan
[23:11] Speaker 3: Mitchell for him getting out of the game.
[23:13] Speaker 1: You said sorry.
[23:13] Speaker 3: But that was prior to the conference finals. Like I said,
[23:16] Speaker 3: blew that 22-point lead in game one. Did not win
[23:19] Speaker 3: a game for the remainder of that series.
[23:21] Speaker 2: I mean, I get James Hart is a Hall of Famer,
[23:22] Speaker 2: but this is your team.
[23:25] Speaker 1: So.
[23:26] Speaker 3: Let's move over to you, Sean. Do you consider this
[23:27] Speaker 3: Cavs season to be a success? Eastern Conference Finals, first
[23:29] Speaker 3: time since 2018, despite getting swept by the New York Knickerbockers.
[23:34] Speaker 1: It's Cleveland, man.
[23:36] Speaker 2: It's Cleveland.
[23:37] Speaker 1: Cleveland will never see success again unless LeBron comes back.
[23:42] Speaker 1: LeBron is there. LeBron is success for Cleveland. Like, in
[23:46] Speaker 1: all sports. Even the Indians. Which I don't think they're
[23:49] Speaker 1: the Indians no more.
[23:51] Speaker 2: Right? They are the Guardians? The Guardians.
[23:54] Speaker 1: Um, Yeah, man. What was the dude named Tyson? He
[23:58] Speaker 1: said it was Donovan Mitchell City now. We tried to
[24:03] Speaker 1: rally behind Donovan Mitchell and his ability, his skill set,
[24:09] Speaker 1: his superstar capabilities and potential, but getting swept is not
[24:17] Speaker 1: all on you. Of course not.
[24:19] Speaker 2: It's a team sport.
[24:20] Speaker 1: Your team got to show up, but the leadership and
[24:23] Speaker 1: the onus is on you for sure. So You know,
[24:26] Speaker 1: the press conference don't mean much when you're apologizing and
[24:30] Speaker 1: this is the second time you're saying the same thing
[24:34] Speaker 1: as far as, you know, my bad and we're going
[24:36] Speaker 1: to come back next year. Nobody really want to hear
[24:39] Speaker 1: that shit. Except for the Cleveland fans. They get optimistic quick. Yeah!
[24:47] Speaker 1: Chase Harden! Alonzo Ball! It's like you give them anybody,
[24:52] Speaker 1: they ready to go. But, I mean, it's unfortunate, man.
[24:56] Speaker 1: You know, they worked hard. Kenny Atkinson is an assistant coach.
[25:00] Speaker 1: They need a real, real coach. You don't know what
[25:04] Speaker 1: the fuck he doing. One.
[25:06] Speaker 2: Then you got James Harden, like he was saying, which
[25:10] Speaker 2: is a great take. You can't be over there trying
[25:14] Speaker 2: to get a ball to him when you the guy.
[25:17] Speaker 1: He did it. I don't know why y'all saying that.
[25:20] Speaker 1: He did it in the last game because they was
[25:22] Speaker 1: blown out in the first quarter. But majority of the
[25:25] Speaker 1: other games, he was looking and deferring. But remember what
[25:27] Speaker 1: we said when they made the trade. I said, you
[25:31] Speaker 1: don't need James Harden to come in and play point
[25:33] Speaker 1: guard for a guy who's already trying to play point guard.
[25:37] Speaker 1: He already doing everything. When Garland was down, he was
[25:40] Speaker 1: handling everything. He kept them afloat.
[25:42] Speaker 2: So what they needed was some other intangible pieces that
[25:46] Speaker 2: can do what.
[25:48] Speaker 1: Dean Wade, what he can't do. He was a liability
[25:52] Speaker 1: out there. Max Struess came in. I mean, but what
[25:54] Speaker 1: do you want Max Struess to do? This is Max Struess.
[25:58] Speaker 1: Like he's the sixth, seventh man on the Miami Heat.
[26:02] Speaker 1: He's not a guy you come in and be like, yo.
[26:06] Speaker 2: Save us.
[26:08] Speaker 1: They was depending on him. So then you look at
[26:10] Speaker 1: Mobley and Allen and it's like that's that ship has
[26:13] Speaker 1: sailed as far as depending on them to be integral
[26:17] Speaker 1: pieces to winning something. They disappear and show up whenever
[26:21] Speaker 1: the fuck.
[26:22] Speaker 2: They want to.
[26:23] Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if Jared Allen need to shape up,
[26:25] Speaker 1: line up, get some braids, change that whole look. He's
[26:28] Speaker 1: back in the 70s or something.
[26:31] Speaker 2: No, but we saw it last year, though. No, he didn't.
[26:34] Speaker 1: Yes, we did. Did they quit? Did they not quit
[26:36] Speaker 1: last year? No, no, no. Did they not quit last year?
[26:38] Speaker 2: It was. It was.
[26:39] Speaker 1: They did not quit last year.
[26:41] Speaker 2: It was.
[26:41] Speaker 1: No, he talking about Donovan. He talking about the Cleveland Cavaliers.
[26:44] Speaker 1: The Cleveland Cavaliers not quit last year. Last year, Gardner
[26:47] Speaker 1: didn't even play. Mobley was hurt. They set out because
[26:50] Speaker 1: of what? What'd he say? Not him. Not him. What
[26:54] Speaker 1: was the dude's name?
[26:56] Speaker 2: Number 12?
[26:58] Speaker 1: From Atlanta they traded for? Hunter. It was Hunter. DeAndre Hunter.
[27:05] Speaker 2: What you want us to do with it? Come on, man.
[27:09] Speaker 1: We gave him credit.
[27:10] Speaker 2: For being a potential superstar.
[27:12] Speaker 1: No, he's not a potential superstar.
[27:14] Speaker 2: He's a star.
[27:15] Speaker 1: Okay, he's a star. Okay, cool.
[27:17] Speaker 2: Can he stop?
[27:18] Speaker 1: Okay, cool. He didn't defer to James. He shot more
[27:21] Speaker 1: shots than everybody on the team every game. I'm glad
[27:23] Speaker 1: you cleared that up. He's not a superstar. He's just
[27:25] Speaker 1: a star, right? No. How much he average this year?
[27:28] Speaker 2: Second team All-NBA.
[27:30] Speaker 1: He's second team All-NBA. He's definitely a superstar.
[27:33] Speaker 2: He's top ten.
[27:34] Speaker 1: He's a superstar. I said he was a superstar. So
[27:38] Speaker 1: let's stop playing. But look, what are you talking about?
[27:40] Speaker 5: James Harden has scored more than 20 points only five
[27:43] Speaker 5: games during this whole goddamn playoff.
[27:44] Speaker 1: What do we bring him here for? To score more
[27:46] Speaker 1: than 20 points each game. Right.
[27:48] Speaker 2: To facilitate.
[27:50] Speaker 1: He fucking got killed all day. He got killed every playoff.
[27:52] Speaker 2: I seen he was on your phone. Did you look
[27:54] Speaker 2: at fourth quarter point?
[27:54] Speaker 1: Mobley scored 20 points five games during the whole playoffs.
[27:59] Speaker 2: Did you look at fourth quarter?
[28:00] Speaker 1: Can't stop.
[28:00] Speaker 2: Can't stop. Did you look at fourth quarter?
[28:01] Speaker 1: Them guys disappeared.
[28:02] Speaker 2: Did you look at fourth quarter?
[28:03] Speaker 5: Every year, Donovan Mitchell got to carry a Utah team.
[28:06] Speaker 5: He got to carry a Cavs team by himself. Y'all
[28:08] Speaker 5: remember the bubble.
[28:09] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[28:10] Speaker 5: He the guy that kept going while Murray took a
[28:13] Speaker 5: step back.
[28:14] Speaker 2: Come on.
[28:16] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell, if he.
[28:17] Speaker 2: Played with LeBron, he could. If he played with LeBron.
[28:20] Speaker 5: If he played with LeBron and Kyrie, replaced Kyrie, they
[28:23] Speaker 5: still would have won.
[28:24] Speaker 2: That's how much of a star he is.
[28:25] Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait.
[28:25] Speaker 2: You said what?
[28:26] Speaker 1: That's how much of a star. Wait, wait, hold on. Wait,
[28:28] Speaker 1: hold the fuck. Wait, hold up. Hold up. Hold up.
[28:30] Speaker 1: So he needed to join the super team to get
[28:32] Speaker 1: his job out. He need the right people. I say
[28:34] Speaker 1: get rid of James.
[28:35] Speaker 2: Hold on.
[28:36] Speaker 6: So you're saying replace Kyrie Irving?
[28:37] Speaker 5: James need a team where it's all defenders and he
[28:41] Speaker 5: can hide. Because this team got no defenders. That's all
[28:44] Speaker 5: it was.
[28:44] Speaker 1: Replace Kyrie Irving for it. But James was on the
[28:47] Speaker 1: Clippers where they had all defenders and he was out.
[28:50] Speaker 2: They didn't do nothing. For the Clippers? Yeah.
[28:54] Speaker 5: It was on a winning streak when they traded him.
[28:56] Speaker 5: They was on a winning streak. Started that season 6-21, Swaggy.
[28:59] Speaker 1: I know, but when they traded him, when they traded him,
[29:03] Speaker 1: they went up when they traded him. That's why they
[29:06] Speaker 1: traded him.
[29:06] Speaker 2: They went up.
[29:07] Speaker 5: They went up, yes. I know, but they was winning.
[29:10] Speaker 5: They was on like a 10 or some game winning streak.
[29:12] Speaker 5: I remember that shit.
[29:13] Speaker 1: No, man.
[29:14] Speaker 2: Then he set out three times.
[29:15] Speaker 1: We're not saying anything bad about Donovan.
[29:17] Speaker 6: No, we just said last year is the same thing.
[29:20] Speaker 6: Did they quit last year?
[29:21] Speaker 1: No, he didn't quit. You can't put him in here.
[29:24] Speaker 1: The team quit last year. They didn't even play. But
[29:25] Speaker 1: he's not quitting.
[29:26] Speaker 2: He's a part of the team.
[29:27] Speaker 1: No. He averaged like 40 points. Averaging 40 points. That's
[29:31] Speaker 1: not quitting. Wait, nobody said he quit. He had 30-something
[29:33] Speaker 1: points in the last game. He didn't quit, but nigga,
[29:37] Speaker 1: you gave up all of this energy. The series has
[29:39] Speaker 1: been over. score a bunch of points in the last
[29:41] Speaker 1: game and be like, what? But he scores every game.
[29:44] Speaker 1: The Sears been over. You got to play defense every game, bro.
[29:46] Speaker 1: He does. No, he does not. They need a guy
[29:48] Speaker 1: like Jalen Daniels or something. So why he didn't go
[29:51] Speaker 1: guard Jalen Brown? I mean, Jalen Preston. Oh, Jalen Preston.
[29:54] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell. Why he was like, yo, watch out. I
[29:58] Speaker 1: got it. I got it. James, watch out.
[29:59] Speaker 2: I got it. Don't worry about it. This meat. Why
[30:03] Speaker 2: women do it? Why Shay don't do it?
[30:05] Speaker 1: Why would you bring up... Why would you bring up...
[30:08] Speaker 1: We're talking about Cleveland. We're not talking about them. You're
[30:13] Speaker 1: just throwing stuff on Donovan Mitchell. No, it's a part
[30:16] Speaker 1: of the fucking game. We didn't say he quit it.
[30:18] Speaker 1: We didn't say he quit it. Donovan Mitchell is not...
[30:22] Speaker 1: But why he didn't take that next level, though?
[30:24] Speaker 2: He is.
[30:24] Speaker 1: What he got to do? Guard the motherfucking best player
[30:27] Speaker 1: and shut him down. Who does that? Nobody can shut
[30:30] Speaker 1: nobody down in the NBA.
[30:31] Speaker 2: Who does that?
[30:31] Speaker 1: Nobody can shut Brunson down. Who does that? Who done it?
[30:35] Speaker 1: Jalen Brown?
[30:36] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown didn't do it?
[30:37] Speaker 1: Come on, bro. They lost to Boston last year. When
[30:41] Speaker 1: Jalen Brown— They was down 5—I mean, 4-1. I mean, 3-1.
[30:44] Speaker 1: When Jalen Brown won finals MVP, who was he guarding?
[30:48] Speaker 1: Come on. Swag, he's talking to you.
[30:50] Speaker 2: I'm asking.
[30:51] Speaker 1: He's talking to you. They do that to everybody. No,
[30:54] Speaker 1: but I'm saying, who was he guarding? Luka gets shut
[30:55] Speaker 1: down by OKC. They lost to OKC by 50. Who
[30:57] Speaker 1: was he guarding, though?
[30:59] Speaker 2: You can't say that.
[30:59] Speaker 1: No, all I'm asking, who was he guarding? He said,
[31:02] Speaker 1: I got the best player. You go get the guy
[31:06] Speaker 1: that you need to stop to make the series. Devin
[31:08] Speaker 1: Booker got swept. Crickets.
[31:10] Speaker 2: Who? Devin Booker.
[31:11] Speaker 1: We was on Devin Booker's head. What you mean? Y'all
[31:14] Speaker 1: was calling him a stupid story. I ain't heard nothing.
[31:15] Speaker 1: He need to get traded.
[31:16] Speaker 2: That's all I heard.
[31:17] Speaker 1: That's what he was saying. He said that. That's all
[31:20] Speaker 1: y'all said. That's not nothing bad. What are you talking about?
[31:24] Speaker 1: He quit. Being traded is not bad? No. We say
[31:28] Speaker 1: they need to be on a good team. I said. No,
[31:30] Speaker 1: we said. No, you're saying he quit. I didn't hear
[31:34] Speaker 1: Devin Booker quit. He got swept.
[31:35] Speaker 2: We saying that.
[31:36] Speaker 1: I didn't hear that. We said it was Jalen Green's
[31:38] Speaker 1: team now. This is the green scene now. This don't
[31:42] Speaker 1: look like this. And then he said, man, I'm getting
[31:45] Speaker 1: rid of Devin Booker. I said, there's some conversations that
[31:49] Speaker 1: need to be had. I did say that. I said
[31:52] Speaker 1: about Devin Booker, there's some conversations that might need to
[31:54] Speaker 1: be had.
[31:55] Speaker 6: I kept the same energy, bro. I kept the same
[31:57] Speaker 6: energy with Devin Booker. I said Devin Booker was a superstar.
[32:00] Speaker 1: You said he wasn't. And you said Donovan Mitchell was
[32:03] Speaker 1: a superstar.
[32:04] Speaker 2: No, no.
[32:05] Speaker 1: I said if Devin Booker's a superstar, Donovan Mitchell's a superstar.
[32:08] Speaker 2: No. No, that's not, no. They're not in the same conversation.
[32:13] Speaker 2: See what I mean?
[32:13] Speaker 1: They're not.
[32:14] Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. They're not to me. They're not.
[32:16] Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. They're not. This is what
[32:18] Speaker 1: I'm talking about, like the disrespect. That's not disrespect. They're
[32:20] Speaker 1: just not in the same, I didn't say he wasn't good.
[32:22] Speaker 1: He got way more buckets, bro. That's, come on, man.
[32:25] Speaker 1: They both got 70s. Come on, let's talk. They both
[32:29] Speaker 1: got 70 balls. They both got 70. What does that
[32:33] Speaker 1: have to do? We both superstars. Devin Booker has been
[32:38] Speaker 1: to the finals. Devin Booker has been.
[32:40] Speaker 2: To the finals.
[32:40] Speaker 1: Chris Paul, where have you been lately?
[32:43] Speaker 2: That's one time.
[32:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, we got there. And if they win, who gets
[32:48] Speaker 1: finals MVP? Chris Paul. You crazy as hell. Anyways. He
[32:55] Speaker 1: had a better chance than Donovan Mitchell. How are they
[32:59] Speaker 1: going to be in the same conversation? Yes, Devin Booker
[33:01] Speaker 1: would have been finals MVP if they won that series.
[33:03] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[33:04] Speaker 1: Stop playing. I ain't bringing that back in a long time.
[33:08] Speaker 2: Dope?
[33:09] Speaker 1: Dope. I don't know what side you on because you
[33:13] Speaker 1: keep talking. You say you with Donovan, then you going
[33:16] Speaker 1: against Donovan. I'm not going against him. I'm saying he's
[33:18] Speaker 1: a part of the team that got swept. So he
[33:20] Speaker 1: don't get to sit up there and separate himself from
[33:23] Speaker 1: the conversation. I'm saying that he is a superstar and
[33:26] Speaker 1: I've been saying he's a superstar. That's what me and
[33:29] Speaker 1: you was going against him with that. But he can't
[33:32] Speaker 1: be separating himself like Or you can't separate him from
[33:36] Speaker 1: the conversation of him getting swept. He has to be accountable.
[33:39] Speaker 5: How can you be a superstar? You're not the number
[33:41] Speaker 5: one option on the championship team. Let's think about his
[33:43] Speaker 5: times in the playoffs. One time, it was Goldberg. Goldberg
[33:46] Speaker 5: got a baby body. Second team, all NBA, bro.
[33:50] Speaker 1: Superstar. Where's Booker at? When was the last time Booker
[33:53] Speaker 1: been all NBA?
[33:54] Speaker 2: Probably last year. Nah, hell no, not last year. I'm
[33:57] Speaker 2: sure last year he made it.
[33:59] Speaker 1: You know where Phoenix was last year?
[34:01] Speaker 2: They didn't make the playoffs. Why Donovan Mitchell never on
[34:03] Speaker 2: a USA team?
[34:04] Speaker 1: He was 13 in 2024.
[34:06] Speaker 2: Two years ago.
[34:07] Speaker 3: Wasn't eligible this year, didn't hit the game.
[34:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, because why Donovan Mitchell not ever on the USA team?
[34:14] Speaker 5: Why is fucking Jalen Brown not on the USA team?
[34:17] Speaker 5: You know that's politics. The same way y'all say he's
[34:20] Speaker 5: not a superstar. The same way Jalen Brown don't make
[34:22] Speaker 5: first team.
[34:23] Speaker 1: It's the hate. It's the hate.
[34:26] Speaker 2: It's the hate.
[34:27] Speaker 6: Well, we know why Jalen Brown's not on it. I'm
[34:29] Speaker 6: just saying, Donovan Mitchell, what does he do?
[34:31] Speaker 1: He has a clean image. He doesn't do anything bad.
[34:34] Speaker 1: He plays basketball, right? He does his thing. So he
[34:36] Speaker 1: doesn't do anything. So I'm trying to see, why isn't
[34:38] Speaker 1: he on that team if he's so good?
[34:40] Speaker 2: We don't like the way he walks. Checks over strike. Bowlegged.
[34:44] Speaker 2: I don't care about.
[34:44] Speaker 1: Nah. He walked like... That's nothing to do with it.
[34:47] Speaker 1: Y'all got to respect him. We do respect him. After
[34:49] Speaker 1: the loss... You try to say... You try to say
[34:51] Speaker 1: we say he quit. We didn't say he quit. The
[34:52] Speaker 1: team quit. No, he didn't.
[34:54] Speaker 2: The team quit.
[34:54] Speaker 1: I didn't say he quit. I said he sat in
[34:57] Speaker 1: the corner and let James Harden go ahead and take over.
[34:59] Speaker 2: I'm going to sit in the corner.
[35:01] Speaker 1: Why are you sitting in the corner?
[35:04] Speaker 2: Why is 45 in the.
[35:04] Speaker 1: Why is he in the corner?
[35:05] Speaker 2: Go get Brunson.
[35:07] Speaker 1: James Harden went to the strip club after the loss.
[35:10] Speaker 1: Why is Donovan Mitchell in the corner? Donovan Mitchell... Why
[35:14] Speaker 1: is he in the corner?
[35:15] Speaker 2: He went to the strip club after the loss.
[35:16] Speaker 1: Dude, why is Donovan Mitchell in the corner and you're
[35:18] Speaker 1: the super? This is your team, dog.
[35:19] Speaker 2: Find culinary offerings at the strip club. That's not.
[35:22] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[35:22] Speaker 2: Come on.
[35:23] Speaker 1: You keep ignoring that part. You don't go to the
[35:24] Speaker 1: strip club.
[35:25] Speaker 2: If there's some snow, I'm going to go.
[35:26] Speaker 1: But why do you keep ignoring that part, though? Man, anytime. Nick,
[35:30] Speaker 1: why do you keep ignoring that part? What? Why do
[35:32] Speaker 1: you keep ignoring that part? Why is he in the corner?
[35:34] Speaker 1: And why are you not guarding Jalen Brunson?
[35:36] Speaker 2: Like, what's up?
[35:37] Speaker 1: You talking all in the huddle? Just go do it.
[35:41] Speaker 2: Nobody does it. But why aren't you just doing it?
[35:45] Speaker 1: Okay.
[35:47] Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's all NBA defense. I never said that.
[35:52] Speaker 5: He got to do everything. LeBron getting guard shape. They
[35:56] Speaker 5: got swept.
[35:58] Speaker 1: Is SGA in top five defense? He's like top 20,
[36:02] Speaker 1: I believe, defense already.
[36:03] Speaker 5: But you're supposed to have defenders for that. Who is
[36:07] Speaker 5: the defender on their team that's a lockdown defender?
[36:12] Speaker 1: Name one.
[36:12] Speaker 2: Bruce was supposed to be.
[36:14] Speaker 1: Who?
[36:14] Speaker 2: I guess Max Bruce. They put him in there to
[36:16] Speaker 2: guard Brunson.
[36:17] Speaker 1: See?
[36:18] Speaker 2: Bruce.
[36:21] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Mobley, Mobley, but he disappeared. He disappeared last year.
[36:26] Speaker 1: He said he was hurt. And that's what we just said.
[36:28] Speaker 1: We just said they did the same thing. But you
[36:30] Speaker 1: can't put him in that category.
[36:32] Speaker 2: What category?
[36:33] Speaker 1: You can't say the team. We didn't say him. When
[36:38] Speaker 1: a guy out there fighting, you can't put him with it.
[36:40] Speaker 1: The team quit last year. The team quit last year.
[36:43] Speaker 6: He tried to do as best he could, but the
[36:45] Speaker 6: team was like, yo, my toe.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Yo, this is hurting. It's like, well, goddamn. But that
[36:49] Speaker 1: don't got nothing to do with him. That's what I'm saying.
[36:52] Speaker 1: Find new teammates. Don't say he's not a star because
[36:55] Speaker 1: of other motherfuckers quitting on his team. That's what I'm saying.
[36:58] Speaker 1: You can't separate yourself from the team.
[37:03] Speaker 2: KD does it all the time.
[37:04] Speaker 1: LeBron does it.
[37:05] Speaker 2: Wait, wait, who? MJ does it.
[37:08] Speaker 1: All of them do it. What'd you mean?
[37:09] Speaker 2: Bro, what? They just told, they give LeBron hell every time.
[37:13] Speaker 5: Every time he like leaves and blame the team, blame
[37:16] Speaker 5: the coach, get people fired.
[37:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[37:19] Speaker 1: You blame people. Now we blame Luka. Lakers had mass layoffs.
[37:24] Speaker 2: Luka's fault. They are.
[37:26] Speaker 1: For sure. Luka did it. It's Luka fault. I'm about
[37:32] Speaker 1: to be a free agent. You said not, but you
[37:36] Speaker 1: said don't extend Donovan Mitchell.
[37:39] Speaker 6: What would you get? I think they should trade all
[37:42] Speaker 6: of them. The future isn't bright. Did you just hear
[37:45] Speaker 6: the names of the teams that I just said that's
[37:47] Speaker 6: getting better? This is the best. Listen, nobody played in
[37:51] Speaker 6: the East this year, and you got there and got swept.
[37:53] Speaker 6: You think you're going to get back there next year?
[37:55] Speaker 1: The Knicks are going to the final right now. You
[37:56] Speaker 1: can't have the same team.
[37:57] Speaker 2: The Knicks are going to the final. You just can't
[37:59] Speaker 2: have the same team.
[38:00] Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying have the same team.
[38:01] Speaker 2: You can't say just run it back with this squad.
[38:03] Speaker 1: I say get rid of James. They're not going to
[38:04] Speaker 1: get nobody to come there. And you get some young players.
[38:08] Speaker 1: You need a good small forward that could shoot that
[38:11] Speaker 1: corner three and lock down. No, I keep Mobley. Because
[38:15] Speaker 1: he's still only 24. Let's get into the specifics of it.
[38:17] Speaker 1: He's not bad.
[38:18] Speaker 2: He's not bad. He's inconsistent.
[38:19] Speaker 1: Let's get into the specifics. So Donovan Mitchell eligible for
[38:22] Speaker 1: a four-year $ 272 million extension this summer.
[38:30] Speaker 3: But could wait until next summer and sign a five-year
[38:32] Speaker 3: $ 350 million deal that includes a no-trade clause. While reports
[38:36] Speaker 3: are James Harden will opt out of his $ 42. 3 million
[38:39] Speaker 3: player option and sign a team-friendly extension to provide some
[38:42] Speaker 3: cap relief. Cavs are in the second apron, have the
[38:45] Speaker 3: highest salary cap in the league this season, slated to
[38:48] Speaker 3: have the highest cap next season as well. According to reports,
[38:51] Speaker 3: Kenny Atkinson will return for his third season as well.
[38:55] Speaker 3: So you guys kind of already alluded to it, but
[38:58] Speaker 3: should the Cavs run it back with Donovan Mitchell and
[38:59] Speaker 3: James Harden?
[39:02] Speaker 2: I'm going to say no.
[39:02] Speaker 1: They're saying James Hart coming back for less money. Okay,
[39:05] Speaker 1: if he comes back for less, I'll do that. There's
[39:07] Speaker 1: some other things that need to happen. So they're not
[39:09] Speaker 1: going to extend Donovan until the summer after because he
[39:12] Speaker 1: wants more money.
[39:13] Speaker 2: And he wants that no-trade clause.
[39:15] Speaker 1: And the no-trade clause. So their only deal would be
[39:18] Speaker 1: to get rid of Allen or Mobley, which, as you
[39:21] Speaker 1: keep saying, don't get rid of both.
[39:22] Speaker 2: I'll get rid of Allen before I get rid of Mobley.
[39:24] Speaker 2: But Mobley got more trade value. You get more pieces.
[39:26] Speaker 2: I know, that's what I'm saying. More pieces for him. So,
[39:29] Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, player option 2027.
[39:31] Speaker 3: You do run the risk shot if you move that way,
[39:33] Speaker 3: and obviously depending on what the cap looks like for
[39:34] Speaker 3: teams around the league that he can just dip.
[39:37] Speaker 5: Bro, if Donovan get the right pieces, he can win.
[39:41] Speaker 1: Nobody's going to Cleveland. I keep telling you this. Bro,
[39:45] Speaker 1: it is cooked. Bro, this is their best chance. LeBron
[39:49] Speaker 1: is LeBron. You got to credit his dude. It's LeBron.
[39:54] Speaker 1: So when LeBron decided to go back to Cleveland, it
[39:58] Speaker 1: was different.
[39:58] Speaker 5: Say they make a different trade. Instead of James, it
[40:02] Speaker 5: was Kawhi and Donovan.
[40:05] Speaker 2: That's a different game. Thank you.
[40:07] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Why though? Because they got somebody
[40:09] Speaker 1: that could do it all.
[40:10] Speaker 2: Because they have a number one option. And they have
[40:12] Speaker 2: a defender.
[40:12] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. They have a number one option.
[40:14] Speaker 2: So he would not be the number one option.
[40:17] Speaker 1: Cool. I don't know.
[40:19] Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell is scooting the fuck over.
[40:21] Speaker 1: No. He just scooted over for James. No, you can't.
[40:24] Speaker 2: No, he didn't. No, he didn't. That's what I'm saying.
[40:26] Speaker 5: James shot 12 shots per game.
[40:29] Speaker 1: Donovan shot 20 shots. That's not scooting over. Shoot 30.
[40:32] Speaker 2: Shoot 30 of them. Shit.
[40:36] Speaker 6: James guard and Brunson, that's giving up points and everything.
[40:40] Speaker 1: So you got to have to shoot more. You got
[40:43] Speaker 1: to shoot 30 times now. Because goddamn, every time he
[40:47] Speaker 1: come down, they're picking on James. And that's giving up points.
[40:50] Speaker 1: So now you got to come down and do triple shit. Yeah,
[40:52] Speaker 1: you don't see what he's saying. You go down and
[40:55] Speaker 1: you got to guard Brunson, right? You give up two points.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Now you go down and give James the ball.
[41:00] Speaker 2: He missed.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Now we got to come back down, give up two
[41:03] Speaker 1: more points, and now I got to go down and
[41:05] Speaker 1: try to make up the two points that we just
[41:08] Speaker 1: missed out on because I was supposed to have the ball.
[41:12] Speaker 1: Now we down four.
[41:14] Speaker 6: They coming down hitting on an 8-0 run, and now
[41:17] Speaker 6: I got to come down and hit two threes back-to-back
[41:19] Speaker 6: because I ain't touched the ball for seven minutes.
[41:22] Speaker 1: How is that possible?
[41:23] Speaker 3: Harden averaged 14 shots per game this postseason. Donovan Mitchell
[41:26] Speaker 3: averaged 21 shots per game just for transparency.
[41:30] Speaker 2: What about the fourth quarter? That's what I want to see.
[41:32] Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about.
[41:33] Speaker 1: The Fern, not the whole game because Donovan going to
[41:36] Speaker 1: get his shit during the whole game. But we're talking
[41:38] Speaker 1: about in the fourth quarter when it's time to make
[41:40] Speaker 1: the decision to win the game.
[41:41] Speaker 5: Who really seen them going to the Eastern Conference Finals?
[41:44] Speaker 2: Cleveland?
[41:44] Speaker 1: Nobody had Cleveland like that.
[41:45] Speaker 2: They said it was the dark horse.
[41:47] Speaker 5: Nobody had Cleveland actually going to the Eastern Conference Finals.
[41:50] Speaker 2: So why would we run it back with the same team?
[41:53] Speaker 5: I'm not saying run it back. I'm saying you pay
[41:55] Speaker 5: Donovan Mitchell whatever he want.
[41:57] Speaker 1: You can get rid of James. I would get a
[42:01] Speaker 1: nice small forward.
[42:02] Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.
[42:02] Speaker 1: Who do you bring in for Cleveland to make it
[42:05] Speaker 1: a championship team? Well, there.
[42:08] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[42:09] Speaker 1: Please, please, please. I definitely want to hear who the
[42:11] Speaker 1: hell is coming to Cleveland. Who are you bringing in?
[42:13] Speaker 1: Who is coming to Cleveland? Now, we're talking about... Please.
[42:16] Speaker 1: Let's not think about who's not coming to Cleveland.
[42:18] Speaker 2: Who will be a free agent this year?
[42:20] Speaker 1: LeBron James is going to be a free agent this summer.
[42:22] Speaker 1: Giannis is out there.
[42:24] Speaker 2: Has played in Cleveland before.
[42:25] Speaker 1: Giannis and Donovan wouldn't be a... No. No.
[42:28] Speaker 2: There are some.
[42:29] Speaker 1: See what I mean? You keep trying to break. Giannis
[42:32] Speaker 1: and Donovan will be a good mix. You keep putting
[42:33] Speaker 1: your guy in the corner. Giannis and Donovan will be
[42:37] Speaker 1: a good mix. You keep putting your guy in the corner.
[42:39] Speaker 1: Is Giannis and Dame a good thing? That's not the same. How?
[42:43] Speaker 1: Is Dame better than Donovan?
[42:47] Speaker 2: Oh, man.
[42:47] Speaker 1: Is Damian Lillard better than Donovan Mitchell? That's a good argument.
[42:51] Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a clear.
[42:52] Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait.
[42:53] Speaker 1: Is Dame better than Donovan Mitchell? I'm not saying it's
[42:56] Speaker 1: a clear yes. Is Dame Lillard better than Donovan Mitchell? Yes.
[42:59] Speaker 2: Yes. No, Dame is better than Donovan Mitchell.
[43:01] Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a clear yes. I'm saying clear yes.
[43:03] Speaker 1: If Dame and Giannis had friction, you don't think they're
[43:07] Speaker 1: not going to have the same? No.
[43:08] Speaker 6: Did you see what they had to play against in
[43:10] Speaker 6: that Western Conference Finals with that Portland team?
[43:13] Speaker 1: Come on. Okay. What you mean I went to the
[43:15] Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals? He was doing that in.
[43:17] Speaker 2: Utah, too.
[43:18] Speaker 1: Who was doing that? Who was doing what? He was
[43:21] Speaker 1: not doing the same thing. Man, they got punked by
[43:24] Speaker 1: Draymond Green. Who did?
[43:25] Speaker 2: The whole Portland team.
[43:27] Speaker 1: They got to the Western Conference Finals and lost to
[43:29] Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors.
[43:30] Speaker 2: They got punked.
[43:31] Speaker 1: They was supposed to win, too. They got damn near swept.
[43:33] Speaker 1: So what's the problem? They got swept by fucking Poo and....
[43:38] Speaker 5: And Clay coming off the bench.
[43:43] Speaker 1: Not a fucking Clay second all team.
[43:45] Speaker 2: Did they win it that year?
[43:47] Speaker 1: Yeah. They won it all that year, right? Okay, so
[43:49] Speaker 1: they lost to the champs.
[43:50] Speaker 2: They lost to the champs, bro. What are you talking about?
[43:52] Speaker 2: Come on, man. That's still not the team, though.
[43:54] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell is not a better basketball player than Damon.
[43:57] Speaker 1: I didn't hear nobody saying, Donovan and Giannis ain't going
[44:00] Speaker 1: to get it done. The only reason why Damon and
[44:03] Speaker 1: Giannis ain't getting it done is because of injuries.
[44:05] Speaker 2: That's all I'm going to say about that. No, I'm
[44:08] Speaker 2: going to say injuries.
[44:08] Speaker 1: He wasn't injured all in the beginning. He wasn't injured
[44:12] Speaker 1: to the end. The injuries was up and down, up
[44:15] Speaker 1: and down. Come on. Come on.
[44:16] Speaker 2: He wasn't happy.
[44:17] Speaker 1: Come on.
[44:20] Speaker 2: Don't do that comparison. Who else? Not Giannis.
[44:22] Speaker 1: You don't do that comparison? That's not a bad comparison.
[44:25] Speaker 2: Who is Donovan going to get if it's not Giannis?
[44:28] Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler? Dame Lillard shoots from the fucking half-court line.
[44:32] Speaker 2: Not even close. He need a defender. He said Jimmy Butler.
[44:36] Speaker 2: Better than Strowse. Strowse?
[44:38] Speaker 1: Whatever the small forward is. I like Donovan Mitchell and
[44:44] Speaker 1: Devin Booker. I like that.
[44:46] Speaker 2: Come on, man. He's been past Devin Booker.
[44:50] Speaker 1: I mean, not Devin Booker. I thought you said Bill.
[44:52] Speaker 2: My bad. I'm thinking you said Bradley Bill. My bad.
[44:54] Speaker 2: My bad. Two different humans.
[44:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, my bad. My bad.
[44:56] Speaker 2: I'm checking the Bradley Bill.
[44:57] Speaker 1: I like Devin Booker and Donovan Mitchell, though. But him
[45:00] Speaker 1: and Dame are the same.
[45:01] Speaker 2: But leave Dame alone, though.
[45:02] Speaker 1: You got to leave. That's top 75. He in there.
[45:04] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell going to be top 100. Shit. That's very possible.
[45:12] Speaker 1: Somebody got to school that. So what? They would just
[45:14] Speaker 1: add 25 more. I know, but they got to re-rank
[45:18] Speaker 1: them too, though.
[45:19] Speaker 2: They got to re-rank them. Wait, hold on.
[45:22] Speaker 1: There ain't no ranking system. It's just honorary. We honor it. Oh.
[45:25] Speaker 1: We would just take the 75 at 25. Donovan wasn't
[45:28] Speaker 1: playing then.
[45:28] Speaker 2: Wait, I know.
[45:29] Speaker 1: Wait, hold on.
[45:30] Speaker 2: So Donovan will be in the next 25?
[45:31] Speaker 1: Yes.
[45:31] Speaker 2: Go ahead.
[45:37] Speaker 1: You don't think so?
[45:40] Speaker 2: We'll see.
[45:40] Speaker 1: So let's talk about the other side of it.
[45:42] Speaker 3: Cavs traded for James Harden at the deadline. allowing him
[45:45] Speaker 3: to make his 17th straight playoff appearance, which is tied
[45:47] Speaker 3: for the third longest streak in league history. So Harden
[45:50] Speaker 3: struggled in the Eastern Conference Finals, averaging 16 points, five rebounds,
[45:53] Speaker 3: three assists, while shooting 39% from the field, 18% from three.
[45:57] Speaker 3: Also had five or more turnovers in three of the
[45:59] Speaker 3: four games. So in the cap, what?
[46:02] Speaker 5: How much down have they averaged? My bad, I didn't
[46:03] Speaker 5: mean to touch you. How much down have they averaged
[46:05] Speaker 5: for his career?
[46:06] Speaker 2: For his career?
[46:07] Speaker 1: 24, maybe.
[46:08] Speaker 2: Let me see. Remember, there's some people that's not in, too.
[46:14] Speaker 3: For his career, Donovan Mitchell averaged 25.5 assists, 4 rebounds,
[46:19] Speaker 3: 609 regular season games, 6 All-Star games.
[46:21] Speaker 1: He get in before DeMar DeRozan?
[46:23] Speaker 2: We're talking about Harden.
[46:25] Speaker 3: In the Cavs' three elimination games this postseason, Harden was
[46:28] Speaker 3: a total of 7 for 27 from the field, 1
[46:31] Speaker 3: for 17 from 3.
[46:32] Speaker 2: So after the.
[46:32] Speaker 3: Cavs got eliminated, Donovan Mitchell came to the defense of
[46:36] Speaker 3: his future Hall of Fame teammate.
[46:38] Speaker 7: This man changed the game of basketball. Like, change the
[46:44] Speaker 7: game of basketball in ways that we've never seen before.
[46:50] Speaker 7: And we live in such a ring dominant culture that
[46:54] Speaker 7: we're willing to write a guy off because he hasn't
[46:57] Speaker 7: gotten there. A guy that's transcended basketball, right? Like in
[47:03] Speaker 7: 75 years, no one's been able to do what he does.
[47:05] Speaker 7: You can say the same thing about Steph Curry, Allen Iverson, right?
[47:09] Speaker 7: Like Michael Jordan, James Harden's in that. So yeah, like Obviously,
[47:14] Speaker 7: I can relate to not having reached a certain point,
[47:18] Speaker 7: but I do also feel like we don't talk about
[47:21] Speaker 7: his greatness enough.
[47:25] Speaker 1: That's true.
[47:26] Speaker 2: I'm talking about Hardy's greatness now.
[47:27] Speaker 5: I like that man. That's a great man right there.
[47:31] Speaker 3: Hardy's 98 career playoff wins are tied with Karl Malone
[47:34] Speaker 3: for the most in NBA history for a player who
[47:36] Speaker 3: hasn't won a chip. But his resume all but assures
[47:39] Speaker 3: him of being a first ballot Hall of Famer. So Swaggy,
[47:42] Speaker 3: what do you think about Donovan Mitchell defending Harden's legacy
[47:45] Speaker 3: and greatness after the Cavs got swept?
[47:48] Speaker 5: I think it's dope. And James deserves it. I think
[47:52] Speaker 5: James gets more hate than he deserves. I think people
[47:56] Speaker 5: were really mad he couldn't get it done over the Warriors.
[47:59] Speaker 5: People wanted to see the Warriors dynasty fall that bad
[48:02] Speaker 5: that they started hating on James. When they have to
[48:07] Speaker 5: change rules for players, I think it shows your greatness.
[48:14] Speaker 5: It changed calls, changed travels and.
[48:18] Speaker 1: Moves.
[48:20] Speaker 5: They got kids doing it, even if it's right or wrong.
[48:22] Speaker 5: Even if you like it or not, you got to
[48:24] Speaker 5: respect what James did. I think he falls in that
[48:28] Speaker 5: same category as Russell Westbrook.
[48:33] Speaker 3: Mr. B, what do you think about Donovan Mitchell coming
[48:35] Speaker 3: to James Harden defense and bigging up his greatness and
[48:39] Speaker 3: his legacy, saying he changed the game?
[48:43] Speaker 1: James Harden is first ballot Hall of Fame, top 75.
[48:46] Speaker 6: He definitely did change the game in a way of
[48:52] Speaker 6: scoring in different ways. Like Steph Curry, Shaq changed the game.
[48:59] Speaker 6: Kobe Bryant changed the game. LeBron James changed the game.
[49:03] Speaker 6: If we're not going to penalize people for not being
[49:07] Speaker 6: able to get to the finals or have a ring,
[49:10] Speaker 6: then why are we even talking about rings or why
[49:12] Speaker 6: are you even playing? From that standpoint, because I mean, that's.
[49:18] Speaker 1: Why the greats are the greats.
[49:20] Speaker 6: So, I mean, I know he wants to big up
[49:22] Speaker 6: his teammate, which is fine.
[49:23] Speaker 2: And, yeah, it is true.
[49:24] Speaker 6: All those things are definitely true.
[49:29] Speaker 1: But, you know, there's a lot of ugh in that.
[49:34] Speaker 6: Too, you know, with the way the playoffs is going
[49:38] Speaker 6: for him Game sevens and a lot of that on
[49:43] Speaker 6: his resume, too. So, you know, to put somebody in
[49:46] Speaker 6: the conversations of, like, Steph Curry, Allen Iverson, you know,
[49:52] Speaker 6: and those guys who really changed the game. Remember, those
[49:53] Speaker 6: guys actually changed the game and won.
[49:57] Speaker 1: Iverson didn't win.
[49:58] Speaker 2: Huh? Iverson didn't win.
[50:00] Speaker 1: No, Iverson didn't win, but he got.
[50:02] Speaker 2: He went to the finals, too.
[50:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, by himself.
[50:06] Speaker 6: He went to the finals by himself at six foot.
[50:09] Speaker 6: That's a different type of animal beast. And I know
[50:12] Speaker 6: people think I hate on AI, but I love, AI
[50:14] Speaker 6: is a whole different type of like.
[50:16] Speaker 2: One star team back then.
[50:18] Speaker 1: Huh?
[50:19] Speaker 2: One, maybe two star team back then.
[50:22] Speaker 1: Who, AI?
[50:23] Speaker 5: It wasn't super teams back then, that's what I'm saying.
[50:26] Speaker 6: Right, so that, so you should give him more credit
[50:29] Speaker 6: because he just didn't have a super team. So, you know,
[50:33] Speaker 6: I just feel like when you put in certain guys
[50:35] Speaker 6: in certain conversations, it's like, yo, we got to look
[50:36] Speaker 6: at the whole body.
[50:37] Speaker 1: Of work and everything.
[50:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, A.I.
[50:39] Speaker 6: Didn't win it, but A.I. changed the game for other reasons,
[50:45] Speaker 6: on and off the court. So, you know, Steph Curry,
[50:50] Speaker 6: I mean, come on, man. Like, that's, like, you know,
[50:53] Speaker 6: he's hope to the most average human being. When you
[50:56] Speaker 6: look at Steph Curry, you just believe, I can make it. Like,
[50:59] Speaker 6: you know, it's like president. LeBron James, the American dream. So,
[51:04] Speaker 6: you know, those are the type of guys who changed
[51:06] Speaker 6: the game.
[51:06] Speaker 2: But go ahead.
[51:08] Speaker 3: Sean, what do you think about Donovan Mitchell coming to
[51:10] Speaker 3: the defense of James Harden's greatness and his legacy, saying
[51:13] Speaker 3: that Harden changed the game?
[51:15] Speaker 1: There's 5,000 guys that played this game. And out of
[51:18] Speaker 1: the 5,000, there's only a certain amount of guys that
[51:20] Speaker 1: won championships. We play the game to win. Simple as that.
[51:24] Speaker 1: So if you're not winning, you're losing. So out of
[51:26] Speaker 1: all the.
[51:27] Speaker 2: Guys who've never won a championship, it's just like reaching
[51:30] Speaker 2: the mountaintop.
[51:31] Speaker 1: The mountaintop. What's at the mountaintop? My precious. You know,
[51:35] Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings? My precious. Got to go
[51:38] Speaker 1: get that ring. National treasure. What's in the treasure box?
[51:41] Speaker 1: What's in the box? Treasure's in the box. Where's the box?
[51:44] Speaker 1: You got to find the box. The box is at
[51:46] Speaker 1: the top of the mountain.
[51:48] Speaker 2: How do I get there?
[51:48] Speaker 1: Some people took helicopters, some people took elevators inside the volcano,
[51:53] Speaker 1: whatever it is. They happen to get to the top.
[51:56] Speaker 1: The people who haven't gotten to the top of the
[51:59] Speaker 1: mountain to get that fucking, that hardware, that thing that
[52:02] Speaker 1: we all play for, the conversations are completely different for
[52:06] Speaker 1: everybody else. That's the reason we play the game. And
[52:11] Speaker 1: for what our culture stands for right now, and everybody's
[52:14] Speaker 1: trying to rewrite the history around ring culture, that shit
[52:18] Speaker 1: is bullshit. Because when you lose, you lose. Take your L,
[52:22] Speaker 1: go back to the crib, go get another map, and
[52:25] Speaker 1: try to figure out another route to get to the
[52:27] Speaker 1: top of the mountain. Because we're not going to stop
[52:30] Speaker 1: the pedigree and the requirements.
[52:34] Speaker 2: To getting to the top.
[52:36] Speaker 1: It takes this to get to the top so you
[52:38] Speaker 1: can be mentioned in the breath of these people. So
[52:41] Speaker 1: until then, your accolades, your achievements, all of that shit is.
[52:46] Speaker 2: For your fans. The people who support you.
[52:50] Speaker 1: They love that you never got there, but you got
[52:52] Speaker 1: all these points. Whatever changing the game means, means that.
[52:57] Speaker 2: I was going to ask that.
[52:58] Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that.
[52:58] Speaker 2: What does change the game mean?
[52:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, there's a lot of people who
[53:01] Speaker 1: change the game.
[53:02] Speaker 2: The foul.
[53:03] Speaker 1: The step back foul? Yeah, yeah.
[53:05] Speaker 2: So where was it in the finals? <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
[53:09] Speaker 2: That's not it.
[53:10] Speaker 1: We was doing it.
[53:12] Speaker 2: We was doing it. Okay. But it was getting fouled
[53:15] Speaker 2: so easy doing this.
[53:18] Speaker 6: So this right here, so you're saying this right here
[53:20] Speaker 6: to the step back is what changed the game?
[53:22] Speaker 1: Yeah. A double. You're trotting, man. I don't know what
[53:28] Speaker 1: that is. That's the bullshit he did. To change the
[53:34] Speaker 1: game from AI, what, AI? They had to take a
[53:37] Speaker 1: whole crossover out of it.
[53:38] Speaker 2: Being able to shoot that shot and.
[53:39] Speaker 1: Not come out the game.
[53:40] Speaker 5: Being able to shoot that shot and not getting subbed
[53:44] Speaker 5: out the game.
[53:44] Speaker 2: So that's changing it. No. Yes.
[53:46] Speaker 1: No.
[53:47] Speaker 2: No, listen.
[53:49] Speaker 1: It was a moment in our culture where we hadn't
[53:51] Speaker 1: seen some shit before, and he dominated in that era.
[53:54] Speaker 1: We was like, yo, what is he doing? He the
[53:56] Speaker 1: only one doing it. like it didn't change the numbers
[53:59] Speaker 1: or whatever that's the era Steph Curry changed shit because
[54:02] Speaker 1: everyone started to shoot threes after he was shooting threes
[54:06] Speaker 1: for the way he was shooting threes that's changing shit
[54:09] Speaker 1: like everyone now no everyone's not doing the James Harden
[54:13] Speaker 1: step back bro.
[54:13] Speaker 5: Everybody does it that's the number one three Shay does
[54:17] Speaker 5: it every game that's one guy that's not everybody everybody
[54:20] Speaker 5: Luca does it every game that's two guys Wimby does
[54:24] Speaker 5: it every game and Wimby don't.
[54:26] Speaker 2: Do it but.
[54:26] Speaker 1: Everybody does it everybody does a step back three and
[54:30] Speaker 1: that step back you talking about Paul Pierce was doing
[54:32] Speaker 1: that shit so a step yeah Paul Pierce was doing
[54:34] Speaker 1: the step back I know you're talking about the double
[54:37] Speaker 1: step back you're talking about the double the step back
[54:39] Speaker 1: jump twing twing twing twing twing Step back. James is
[54:42] Speaker 1: the only one doing that. That was a bad shot
[54:44] Speaker 1: back there. So who else is doing that?
[54:45] Speaker 2: It was a bad shot.
[54:46] Speaker 1: But who else is doing that right now? Changing the
[54:48] Speaker 1: game means making, evolving too. I know. Who is doing that?
[54:52] Speaker 1: People wasn't doing that. Who is doing that though?
[54:54] Speaker 5: It was considered a bad, everybody does it.
[54:56] Speaker 2: No one else is doing what James was doing, bro.
[55:00] Speaker 1: Tatum, Jalen Brown, Jalen Brunson, everybody does it. They're not
[55:04] Speaker 1: doing it the way he was doing it, bro.
[55:06] Speaker 2: Kobe wasn't doing a step back?
[55:08] Speaker 1: No. Okay. No, I've never seen Kobe do a twing, twing, twing, twing,
[55:12] Speaker 1: step back. Oh, you're talking about the twing.
[55:14] Speaker 2: You're talking about the setup shit.
[55:16] Speaker 1: That's the whole thing.
[55:18] Speaker 2: Everybody does it.
[55:20] Speaker 1: Nobody else is doing it. Maybe three guys. You're talking
[55:23] Speaker 1: maybe Luka, Tatum, and James Harden. Every guard does it, though.
[55:28] Speaker 2: No, they don't.
[55:29] Speaker 1: Because it's a bad shot. I was learning the step
[55:33] Speaker 1: back at 19. Everybody's doing it. It's the L.A. thing. Okay,
[55:37] Speaker 1: so how's that changing the game? Because he's doing it
[55:38] Speaker 1: in the game. Nobody's seen us. Changing the game is
[55:42] Speaker 1: like this, right?
[55:43] Speaker 6: Changing the game, just like he said, changing the game
[55:45] Speaker 6: is like this. Remember when everybody used to get the
[55:46] Speaker 6: ball when they were younger, right? I got to go dunk.
[55:48] Speaker 6: I got to be air like air Mike, right? I
[55:50] Speaker 6: got to be able to do this. Now, kids, give
[55:52] Speaker 6: me that ball.
[55:53] Speaker 1: I want to see how far I can shoot that step.
[55:56] Speaker 1: It's not a step back. When they train it, All
[55:59] Speaker 1: they're doing when they're training is between the legs, step back.
[56:03] Speaker 1: All they're doing is working on moves. Nobody catches the
[56:06] Speaker 1: shoot before. No, listen.
[56:08] Speaker 6: When you go pick up a ball and you just
[56:10] Speaker 6: go to the gym, the first thing you remember is
[56:11] Speaker 6: throw it up, try to say, ah, try to.
[56:13] Speaker 1: Do that, right? Now, I want to see if I
[56:15] Speaker 1: can shoot it how far Steph can shoot it. I'm
[56:18] Speaker 1: not trying to do a step back. That's the first
[56:20] Speaker 1: thing you're doing. There was a baby that went viral
[56:23] Speaker 1: and said, I'm Steph Curry.
[56:25] Speaker 2: I get it.
[56:26] Speaker 1: We did it. We did it. We did all this.
[56:29] Speaker 1: You were shooting threes from far before Steph, everybody... But
[56:32] Speaker 1: what I'm saying is... But you can't say Steph was
[56:34] Speaker 1: the one that did it.
[56:35] Speaker 2: Yes, he did.
[56:35] Speaker 1: Because everybody else was the one that did it.
[56:37] Speaker 2: Because he did.
[56:38] Speaker 1: That's what he did. That's what I'm saying he did.
[56:40] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[56:41] Speaker 1: So you're not saying he didn't make the step back popular?
[56:43] Speaker 2: No one else is doing it, Swag.
[56:46] Speaker 1: The kids are not coming out doing a triple step back.
[56:49] Speaker 1: Oh good does it every game talking about two people?
[56:53] Speaker 1: We're talking about kids around the world was doing that
[56:57] Speaker 1: but Luca.
[56:59] Speaker 6: Was doing that back when he was 16 when.
[57:02] Speaker 1: He was 16 So we talk they teach that over
[57:05] Speaker 1: the payment. We've been doing that sit when we come
[57:07] Speaker 1: and teach it from it come from that was 15
[57:11] Speaker 1: years ago saying they're shooting the three from a long
[57:14] Speaker 1: distance they come from step who else was doing that
[57:17] Speaker 1: on the daily who was doing that who was doing
[57:20] Speaker 1: step backs in every place.
[57:21] Speaker 6: Everybody no no they overseas everything they were teaching me
[57:26] Speaker 6: they was teaching me before then i was doing a
[57:28] Speaker 6: step back in high school never talking about everybody was
[57:31] Speaker 6: doing a step back We're talking about actually taking.
[57:34] Speaker 1: I.
[57:34] Speaker 6: Want to be like Mike from the airtime. I want
[57:36] Speaker 6: to sit up high so I can shoot the game.
[57:38] Speaker 5: Nobody was even shooting threes from 2010. What are we
[57:42] Speaker 5: talking about? Nobody was stepping back shooting the three.
[57:47] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[57:47] Speaker 1: You get subbed out so goddamn fast. You'll be looking
[57:53] Speaker 1: over at the coach so fast.
[57:54] Speaker 2: Tap on the shoulder. You go under the screen, step back.
[57:57] Speaker 1: No, no, no. You go under the screen, all you
[58:00] Speaker 1: do is.
[58:01] Speaker 5: Pull up, yes. No step backs. That shit was a
[58:05] Speaker 5: bad shot. All that was a bad shot.
[58:07] Speaker 1: So he invented the step back? No, he didn't invent it. Okay,
[58:11] Speaker 1: so how's that changed in the game?
[58:12] Speaker 2: Did he evolve his swag in the step back?
[58:15] Speaker 1: He made it. Like Steph did.
[58:19] Speaker 2: He brought light to the three-point?
[58:20] Speaker 6: Or did he say, yo, this is how you got
[58:23] Speaker 6: to do it to get to my level? Because the
[58:25] Speaker 6: three-point line is so different now.
[58:28] Speaker 1: Because of Steph Curry. Because Steph Curry got four rings.
[58:32] Speaker 1: So y'all acting like he shoot threes from half court.
[58:34] Speaker 2: Did you watch Steph at Davidson?
[58:37] Speaker 1: But you know who did that?
[58:38] Speaker 2: I did. I seen J.J.
[58:38] Speaker 5: Redick shoot them shots. I seen fucking, what for call it, the...
[58:42] Speaker 5: The other guy, the other white boy.
[58:44] Speaker 1: Jimmy?
[58:44] Speaker 2: Jimmy, I seen him.
[58:45] Speaker 1: Shoot them shots.
[58:46] Speaker 2: Jimmy Fredette?
[58:46] Speaker 1: Yes, I seen from Gonzaga, the tall 6'9, shoot them shots.
[58:52] Speaker 1: Morrison shoot them shots. That's why he went to the league.
[58:55] Speaker 1: You ain't seen me?
[58:56] Speaker 2: You ain't seen me?
[58:56] Speaker 1: You weren't watching? You didn't get the channels? He wasn't
[58:59] Speaker 1: a shooter like that. He was like more of a jumper.
[59:01] Speaker 1: He was from Bangladesh. You didn't watch. I did too.
[59:04] Speaker 1: I did too. But when I shot, it was a
[59:06] Speaker 1: bad shot. But you got to make it. If you're
[59:11] Speaker 1: shooting 40%, it's a great shot.
[59:13] Speaker 2: We want you to shoot.
[59:14] Speaker 1: Yes, but you ain't going to make it every time.
[59:17] Speaker 2: He don't make it every time.
[59:19] Speaker 1: It's a difference. I dare somebody in 2005 to come
[59:24] Speaker 1: out and shoot a fucking half-court shot. They'd take his
[59:27] Speaker 1: ass out the game. Their mind wasn't... Coaches was fucked
[59:30] Speaker 1: up back then. Salim Stoudemire. Salim Stoudemire. Salim was the
[59:34] Speaker 1: only one to do it. For sure, Gil was shooting
[59:36] Speaker 1: at kids. Gil started it. So how Steph started it?
[59:39] Speaker 1: Because he made it popular. Steph made it popular. Gil
[59:43] Speaker 1: did this. Turned around. So he started it. Gil started it.
[59:47] Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas. Chris Jackson was doing it too. You know
[59:51] Speaker 1: who Chris Jackson is? You don't know who Chris Jackson is. Okay.
[59:55] Speaker 1: I'm going to school you. He played with Shaq. Trish
[59:58] Speaker 1: Jackson played with Shaq at LSU. He was shooting from
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: fucking Bangladesh.
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: Muhammad started it. His name is not Muhammad.
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: It's Rahm Muhammad. And he had the pump fake like this.
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: Shooting from Bangladesh.
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: Mark Price used to shoot from way back there. Nobody
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: started nothing then. Because they didn't make it popular. They
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: didn't make it popular. That's what James did. Because they
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: didn't win and do it.
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: That's why.
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: How are you going to change the game if you ain't?
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: Well, no.
[1:00:29] Speaker 6: No, because you can't change the game without winning. Steph
[1:00:31] Speaker 6: Curry had did it on a level to.
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: Where he helped him win games doing it.
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: Bro, he's winning championships doing it. Doing it. So that's
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: why it was okay to do it. Like Michael Jordan
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: is flying in the air winning championships. LeBron James is
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: coming in, the American dream, winning championships doing it. Like, yeah,
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: that's changing the atmosphere. I'm not saying James didn't change
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: the game.
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: Michael Jordan is starting to dunk him.
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: No, he didn't, but the way he did it, it
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: was winning. It was winning with it. I'm winning at
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: the same time doing all this. Did you have a
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan poster with him leaning on that motherfucker like this?
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: He was leaning like Michael Jackson in Smooth Criminal, nigga.
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan flying through the air doing this against Isaac Johnson?
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: Come on, man. What are you talking about?
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: Magic Johnson changed the game.
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: Huh? You said what? Magic Johnson changed the game. In
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: what way? 69.4. In what way? 69-point guard. That's different.
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: I agree.
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: I agree. 69-point guard.
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: I agree.
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: What did he do, though?
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: He won. He fucking won, Swag.
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: Penny Hardaway. All them guys.
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: They followed, but they didn't win. Did Vince Carter change
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: the game?
[1:01:37] Speaker 2: Michael Jordan changed the game, bro.
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: Who after Michael? Name the guy. Name the guy after Michael.
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: Name the guy after Michael. I think Vince Carter is
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: the greatest Raptor ever.
[1:01:52] Speaker 2: Name the guy after Michael, Swag. No, you said Vince Carter.
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: Kobe Beam Bryant. I just wanted to throw that out there.
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: Of course. It's the name.
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: AI changed the game.
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: Who won, though? Dennis Rodman changed the game. Who won
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: changing the game? Off the court. You're talking about Kobe
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: didn't have no step back. Kobe would step back. Kobe
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: did everything. The Rockstar stuff? Making the nails painted?
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: I think.
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: Oh, that shit. Hmm. A.I. A.I. A.I. is the most
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: influential basketball player ever to ever play.
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: He's up there. Do you agree with that? No.
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: No, because you got Michael Jordan and Kobe. Got on Jordans.
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: Because I... I think Allen Iverson is the most influential rapper.
[1:02:37] Speaker 1: Anybody that bought them damn Kobe bullet shoes. It's like
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne is the most influential rapper.
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: Tupac Shakur.
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: And Michael Jordan. Little Wayne.
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, Tupac, and Michael Jordan.
[1:02:53] Speaker 1: Little Wayne is the most influential rapper. Little Wayne is
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: the most influential rapper ever. Where are we going with this? No,
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: we're just talking about change. We're talking about change and
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: all that. This was a James Harden discussion. And Allen
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: Iverson is the most influential.
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: Hey, that's just called moving the goalposts.
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: When motherfuckers move the goalposts, try to prove a point, man.
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: It just be like.
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: Drake.
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: All right, let's go.
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: What are we doing?
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: Boom what?
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[1:04:37] Speaker 3: Ant-Man had the basketball world buzzing recently for preemptively dapping
[1:04:42] Speaker 3: up the Spurs early in the fourth quarter of the Wolves'
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: blowout loss in an elimination game. Here is that video
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[1:05:25] Speaker 6: They're trying to make a big deal of you at
[1:05:27] Speaker 6: the eight-minute mark.
[1:05:28] Speaker 8: Tell us why you did that. I mean, it wasn't
[1:05:31] Speaker 8: no reason why. I feel like everybody just got their
[1:05:35] Speaker 8: own opinion. Like, yeah, it's eight minutes in the game,
[1:05:37] Speaker 8: but we're not going back in the game. When you
[1:05:38] Speaker 8: win a playoff series, everybody's celebrating at the end of
[1:05:41] Speaker 8: the game. So they're going to be smiling while I'm
[1:05:45] Speaker 8: pissed off that we just lost. I was just like,
[1:05:50] Speaker 8: let me go and congratulate these boys because I ain't
[1:05:52] Speaker 8: trying to be kiki-ing with y'all after y'all done whooped
[1:05:54] Speaker 8: my ass. I didn't want to go dab them niggas
[1:05:56] Speaker 8: up at all. Like, then what they would have been
[1:05:59] Speaker 8: saying about me, like, that would have been a whole
[1:06:01] Speaker 8: other conversation. So, I gave them the respect they deserve, man. Like,
[1:06:07] Speaker 8: I could have waited to the end of the game.
[1:06:08] Speaker 8: That's what, that's other people's perspective. But, yeah, I did
[1:06:13] Speaker 8: what I did. That's why I'm me and y'all are
[1:06:15] Speaker 8: whoever y'all are.
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: Tell them. Hell no.
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: Love that man.
[1:06:21] Speaker 3: Your prediction for future face of the league. Are you
[1:06:24] Speaker 3: buying Ant-Man's explanation for why he dapped up the Spurs
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: with so much time left on the clock?
[1:06:29] Speaker 5: Man, game was over. Once the coach take you out,
[1:06:31] Speaker 5: you know you're not coming back in. If he would
[1:06:35] Speaker 5: have left, it would have been he's a quitter. He's
[1:06:38] Speaker 5: take his L's like a man type of stuff. I'm
[1:06:42] Speaker 5: trying to get out of there, man. So I'm going
[1:06:44] Speaker 5: to shake your hand. I ain't about to sit around
[1:06:46] Speaker 5: and talk to you. I feel a certain way about
[1:06:49] Speaker 5: the loss. I feel a certain way about how I'm hurt,
[1:06:52] Speaker 5: not playing the way I want to play. It's a
[1:06:55] Speaker 5: lot of stuff going into that. I feel like if
[1:06:58] Speaker 5: he was 100%, things would have went different. And at
[1:07:02] Speaker 5: the end of the day, that's being an honorable person.
[1:07:06] Speaker 5: Give the people respect. No excuses.
[1:07:08] Speaker 2: Shake their hand.
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: I'm getting out of here. Talk to my team, and
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: I'm going to go home.
[1:07:14] Speaker 3: Let's shift over to this side of the couch. Shad,
[1:07:16] Speaker 3: are you buying Ameth's explanation for why he decided to
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: dap up the Spurs with eight minutes left on the
[1:07:21] Speaker 3: clock in an elimination game?
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: Hell no.
[1:07:25] Speaker 2: It don't matter if we're buying it or not.
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: Like you said, that's why he did what he did
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: because he is who he is. We already talked about
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: this shit at length.
[1:07:35] Speaker 2: What y'all say? Y'all didn't like it?
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: No.
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: You didn't like it?
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: No, I hated it. You didn't like it neither? Damn.
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if you said you're going to wait
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: to the end, you could have waited to the end.
[1:07:48] Speaker 2: And you probably wouldn't have said anything, then don't say nothing.
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: It's better for you to not say nothing than to
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: go eight minutes ahead of time just to do it.
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: Why?
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: What's the difference?
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: Because the game is still going.
[1:08:00] Speaker 2: The game is over, bro.
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: But you got eight more minutes. And you're down 30.
[1:08:05] Speaker 1: LeBron did it with four minutes to go in the game.
[1:08:08] Speaker 2: That's the only player who's done it with time on
[1:08:11] Speaker 2: the clock.
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: When you're talking about in the finals? Yeah. When he
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: went over there and... Because he knew it was over.
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: He shook everybody's hand. It was four minutes. And you
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: don't want to see God. I'm dancing on the floor
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: and shit.
[1:08:21] Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about what you want.
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: But that's what we was doing when we win.
[1:08:25] Speaker 2: No, but look.
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: We're dancing on your face. You lost, so you have
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: to face it. Thank you.
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: You don't avoid it. That's just like you complaining about Wimby.
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: Not talking to the press.
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: Thank you. So if you're going to complain about Wimby,
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: not talking to the press. So you're going to say, hey, listen,
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: sit your ass for eight minutes and endure this shit.
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: At the end, you're going to see us dancing on
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: your shit. And you're going to take your ass to
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: the locker room and feel the pain of it. What's
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: the difference? Because he's trying to avoid the pain. Who
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: is better?
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: He's trying to avoid the pain.
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: Who is the better person If I don't shake their
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: hand or if I shake their hand.
[1:09:01] Speaker 2: Early, who is the better person? Wait till the end
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: of the game, bro. Who is the better person? The
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: person at the end of the game is.
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: So if I just leave, Michael Jordan still don't like
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: a motherfucker to this day. It don't fucking matter. To
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: this day. Don't matter. To this day. Don't care. So what?
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: They make an all-star game. His life ain't been the same.
[1:09:23] Speaker 2: I don't care if you don't like me.
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: His life ain't been the same. I don't care.
[1:09:26] Speaker 2: Since then.
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: No one cares. He got traded from Detroit. The whole
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: Detroit team got disbanded after that. He didn't make the
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: Olympic team. He ain't top five in some people's eyes.
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: You're making shit up now.
[1:09:42] Speaker 1: I'm just saying. He's still top five.
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: He's making shit up, man. Stop making shit up. He's
[1:09:47] Speaker 2: number four.
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: That's why he's got to spend his entire career with
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: the Pistons.
[1:09:51] Speaker 2: Last dance is all about right there.
[1:09:52] Speaker 1: That's what you're talking about. You're just making shit up, man.
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: We was doing shit and started just doing shit.
[1:09:57] Speaker 2: I'm just saying, he didn't like it.
[1:09:59] Speaker 6: No, but to Rashad's point earlier when he was saying
[1:10:01] Speaker 6: like all these new trends, everybody's trying to start. I
[1:10:04] Speaker 6: think that's the same thing with this situation. It's like,
[1:10:06] Speaker 6: you know, the way the game is played, you know,
[1:10:08] Speaker 6: you lose. We've all seen it. Magic, everybody, when they lost,
[1:10:12] Speaker 6: they go out there, they shake everybody's hands. I think
[1:10:14] Speaker 6: this This new trend of trying to change things and
[1:10:17] Speaker 6: how things go sometimes is kind.
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: Of just like, all right. It's like a cop-out. Yeah.
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? It's a cop-out.
[1:10:23] Speaker 6: And the fact that we have more cameras and everything,
[1:10:25] Speaker 6: you can see things in real time, where back in
[1:10:28] Speaker 6: the day, you know, you couldn't see it.
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: But now it's like. It's just a cop-out. Like, you know,
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: at the end of the game, yeah, man, you're going
[1:10:34] Speaker 1: to shake their hands, man.
[1:10:35] Speaker 2: It is what it is.
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: Like, you take your L the way you take your L.
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: Even if you're a sore loser. Like, you know, like.
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: Even if you're a sore loser and still go fucking... Yeah, like,
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: I mean... Wait till the clock hits zero is what
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: you're saying. You can't do it eight minutes in advance.
[1:10:45] Speaker 6: Yeah, I just feel like, like you said, there's new
[1:10:47] Speaker 6: trends that everybody's trying to make acceptable for stuff. Like,
[1:10:50] Speaker 6: you know, oh, like, you don't have to... win a ring.
[1:10:53] Speaker 6: You don't have to do this and do that. It's like, well,
[1:10:55] Speaker 6: then why are we having the debate about anything?
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: When did people start caring about ring culture, though? No, no, no.
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: You started having the championship be the thing at the
[1:11:03] Speaker 1: end of the season. Yeah, take the championship away. Just
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: take the championship away. Just take the championship away. You're
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: the MVP. You're the best player. Hey, there it is.
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: Go home.
[1:11:14] Speaker 6: But if you're going to do a championship, we have
[1:11:16] Speaker 6: to have a conversation. If you don't just say, We
[1:11:19] Speaker 6: don't play to be in.
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: Those type of conversations.
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: Cool.
[1:11:22] Speaker 6: There's another table for your ass.
[1:11:25] Speaker 1: That's the whole different thing. If you're saying that, I'm
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: not playing to win championships. I just play for my stats. Cool.
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: Now you got a different... You separated yourself from the
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: team aspect to the individual aspect.
[1:11:35] Speaker 6: No, but to everything, though. To the guys who belong
[1:11:38] Speaker 6: at that table. Because there's guys that you win it
[1:11:40] Speaker 6: all and get.
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: So it's like we can't act like.
[1:11:44] Speaker 5: This doesn't happen. The game evolved, too. It's guys that
[1:11:47] Speaker 5: wouldn't have rings... That means rings that they played in
[1:11:50] Speaker 5: certain eras, too. You can say that, too.
[1:11:52] Speaker 6: Yeah, but they're still well-respected. Charles Barkley is well-respected. Charles
[1:11:56] Speaker 6: Barkley is better than a lot of these four.
[1:11:58] Speaker 5: Who was his competition? You can say that. Who was
[1:12:01] Speaker 5: Wilt Chamberlain's competition? You can say stuff like that.
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: You could say that.
[1:12:08] Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, so it's a different era and
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: players are much better. In the shooting guard situation, it's
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: five other guys that would be number one back in Jordan.
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: Charles Barkley went to play with the Houston Rockets in
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: 1990 what?
[1:12:24] Speaker 2: I think, I don't know, 94?
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: 96, 97? Let me pull it up for you.
[1:12:29] Speaker 2: Oh, it was Phoenix first. All right, Phoenix first. He
[1:12:32] Speaker 2: went to the finals and got 96, 97, 96, 90.
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: After the Houston Rockets went back to back championships, he
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: went there to win a championship so that he could.
[1:12:44] Speaker 2: Have hardware, a part of his legacy.
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: The fact that he did not win Shaq and Kenny
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: can look at him.
[1:12:53] Speaker 2: And be like, you never got there. Big fella.
[1:12:56] Speaker 1: So the separate conversations is, chuck don't brag about all
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: the things he done individually because he know the most
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: important thing that matters is winning that championship so he
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: don't go out there saying i'm i'm hall of famer
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: i'm this rebound this he's like man look i played
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: great i'm a great player i never got to the
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: end of the end of the road but we know
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: that's what matters most But he is, though. He's still
[1:13:23] Speaker 1: the top ten, small, best power forward. He don't brag
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: about that shit, and he not telling people to go
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: out there and play for that shit.
[1:13:29] Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it's different times.
[1:13:33] Speaker 1: It is.
[1:13:33] Speaker 5: People are better. The players are better now. Every team
[1:13:37] Speaker 5: has a... Damn near Charles Barkley or Michael Jordan. But
[1:13:40] Speaker 5: the game won't change. The game has not changed about
[1:13:43] Speaker 5: what's most important.
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: Even though the game has evolved. They said Karl Malone.
[1:13:47] Speaker 1: And then when they went to the Lakers, like they
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: were chasing the ring.
[1:13:49] Speaker 2: What did they want? They wanted that ring.
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: Chris Paul wants the ring. You don't think Chris Paul
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: wants the ring?
[1:13:54] Speaker 5: So how important is rings then?
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: Very important. It's very important? Very. Yes. The most important. Yes.
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: You know why it's important? Because they want to be
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: at that table.
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: So.
[1:14:04] Speaker 1: You see, when Michael Jordan and... I know. So, who's
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: number one then? If rings are most important, who's the
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: best player ever then? You said what?
[1:14:11] Speaker 5: If rings are so important, who's the best player ever?
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: It ain't no best player ever, man.
[1:14:15] Speaker 1: All right. So, then rings are not important like that. Like,
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. No, because you're separating team and rings, bro.
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: You're saying who's the best player ever. We're talking about
[1:14:24] Speaker 1: rings and team culture. But that has a major factor.
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: You're separating the conversation.
[1:14:28] Speaker 5: Like, the rings has a major factor on who's the
[1:14:31] Speaker 5: best player. If y'all saying that, So if I don't
[1:14:34] Speaker 5: have a ring and you have a ring, you're considered
[1:14:36] Speaker 5: better than me.
[1:14:37] Speaker 1: I'm considered a winner. I've won. I'm a winner and
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: a champion. So you're not better than me? No, not no.
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: Is Robert Ory skill-wise better than Charles Barkley? Or Tracy McGrady? No.
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: But he won seven of them. But is he a winner?
[1:14:55] Speaker 2: Hell yeah, he's a winner.
[1:14:57] Speaker 1: Hell yeah, we can go ahead and see. He saved
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: serious for the.
[1:15:01] Speaker 2: Lakers, everything.
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: And you can't take that away from him in the
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: conversation when you talk about winning. You can say you
[1:15:08] Speaker 1: ain't there.
[1:15:09] Speaker 6: So when it comes to ring culture, he can be
[1:15:11] Speaker 6: at that table with everybody with rings.
[1:15:12] Speaker 5: I know, but why do y'all say that? Y'all saying,
[1:15:16] Speaker 5: so who's better, Jordan or LeBron?
[1:15:19] Speaker 1: It don't matter who's better. They're both winners. To me?
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: Who's a better player?
[1:15:23] Speaker 5: That's all I hear because the six rings, Jordan is
[1:15:26] Speaker 5: better than LeBron is.
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: He's the better winner. Yeah, he's the better winner. Oh,
[1:15:29] Speaker 2: so he's not the better player. No, to me, no.
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: It's objective.
[1:15:33] Speaker 2: It's who you like.
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: You can't convince other people who the better player is
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: because you say.
[1:15:40] Speaker 5: But you can't use rings to say he's better.
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: That's all I hear. He's a better winner. That's why
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: you keep saying winner at the end of it. So
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: he's a better winner?
[1:15:48] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: And LeBron's a better player. Bill Russell's a better winner
[1:15:52] Speaker 1: than Michael Jordan. I can go with that. LeBron's a
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: better player. The better winner. Bill Russell is the better winner.
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: But is he the GOAT if all we care about
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: is winning?
[1:16:02] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: But there is no GOAT because all of them have won.
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: But if I won more, I should be the GOAT
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: if I won more. No, because now you're talking about
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: errors and teams and who we played against.
[1:16:14] Speaker 5: See, that's what I'm saying. Now y'all want to factor
[1:16:16] Speaker 5: in all that. That's what I was talking about.
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: You're separating the conversation from individual from actual team wins, bro.
[1:16:24] Speaker 1: If Bill Russell won 11 championships in 1922, Everybody's going
[1:16:30] Speaker 1: to be like, well, he can't be the best.
[1:16:32] Speaker 2: He's playing against plumbers.
[1:16:33] Speaker 1: Jordan did the same thing, though. Bro, so then you
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: would say Steph Curry's the best because he's playing against
[1:16:40] Speaker 1: more elite talent and all this shit.
[1:16:42] Speaker 2: But guess what?
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: They all won.
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: They're all sitting at the same table.
[1:16:47] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[1:16:49] Speaker 2: What do you mean?
[1:16:49] Speaker 5: You're saying everybody's won. I'm saying it got to be
[1:16:52] Speaker 5: a GOAT. It has to.
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: No, it don't. You want it to be so your
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: favorite player can be in the conversation. But that ain't
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: how it works because everyone at this table won. And
[1:17:05] Speaker 1: you can't say who's better than who if y'all ain't
[1:17:07] Speaker 1: never played against each other.
[1:17:10] Speaker 5: The main reason why Kobe's not number one and people
[1:17:13] Speaker 5: don't put Kobe or LeBron number one because of six rings.
[1:17:16] Speaker 2: Can we stop the cap?
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: No. Can we stop the cap on this couch? No. Please.
[1:17:21] Speaker 2: What? No.
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: All right. Six rings to a side. Who's the better
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: player out of all three of them?
[1:17:27] Speaker 2: LeBron James. The better player between who? Kobe, Jordan, and LeBron.
[1:17:31] Speaker 2: LeBron James.
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: Name list all.
[1:17:32] Speaker 2: Three of them.
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. All right.
[1:17:34] Speaker 2: Who would be two? Michael Jordan. I have LeBron James
[1:17:39] Speaker 2: in one. And I have Kobe, too. I'm with you.
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: So, I mean, LeBron. Because if people evolve, that means
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: my game evolved. You just said if we take championships
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: and move them out, who's the better? So what are
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: you categorizing a better player as? Stats?
[1:17:55] Speaker 2: Oh, no, wait, wait, hold on. Are you saying stats?
[1:17:57] Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on.
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: My bad.
[1:17:58] Speaker 2: I'm going LeBron, Jordan, Kobe.
[1:17:59] Speaker 1: My bad. If we're taking the rings. If we're just
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: taking the rings out and just. But what makes you
[1:18:04] Speaker 1: a better player? Like what they did.
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: Explain that. What makes you a better player? I'm going
[1:18:11] Speaker 2: with Ron. You just said take championships out, bro.
[1:18:14] Speaker 1: Explain now.
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: The people are fucking watching, bro.
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: Explain. Do you want to say scoring?
[1:18:21] Speaker 2: Just listen to what I have to say.
[1:18:22] Speaker 1: I can say scoring. Don't say anything right now. Just
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: listen to what I'm saying. What makes you a better
[1:18:28] Speaker 1: player if you're taking championships out of the conversation? I'm
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: saying scoring. Scoring makes you. So you're saying that because
[1:18:36] Speaker 1: Ron has.
[1:18:37] Speaker 2: I gave you one.
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: Wait.
[1:18:38] Speaker 2: So you're saying because LeBron has the most points all
[1:18:40] Speaker 2: the time, he's the better player? I can say it, sis.
[1:18:44] Speaker 2: I can say everything.
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: You just said points. I gave you one. I gave
[1:18:49] Speaker 1: you one. I asked you a question. I said, is
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: because LeBron James has the most points in all time history,
[1:18:58] Speaker 1: is that why you're putting him number one? He's a
[1:19:01] Speaker 1: better scorer. He's a better scorer. Why? I'm a better
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: winner because I got six rings. Bro. And I got
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: the most points. Why are you a better scorer? I'm
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: putting your stuff in the same box.
[1:19:12] Speaker 2: Why are you a better scorer?
[1:19:13] Speaker 1: Because I got the most points. Okay.
[1:19:15] Speaker 2: Why do you have the most points?
[1:19:17] Speaker 1: Because I got the most points. Because you played the
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: most years.
[1:19:20] Speaker 2: Because I got the most points.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: You played the most years.
[1:19:22] Speaker 2: Who else played many years?
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: Michael Jordan played 14 years.
[1:19:27] Speaker 6: LeBron James is a better overall. Overall player than Michael Jordan,
[1:19:30] Speaker 6: by the way. He's number one in a lot of things.
[1:19:34] Speaker 6: That's why he's a better player.
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: How many all-defense selections did he have? Not more than
[1:19:39] Speaker 2: Michael Jordan.
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: How many defensive player of the years did he have?
[1:19:43] Speaker 1: Not more than Michael Jordan. How many steals leaders did
[1:19:46] Speaker 1: he have? How many rebounds and blocks does he have?
[1:19:50] Speaker 2: How many assists does he have?
[1:19:52] Speaker 1: The most. Who? LeBron. Okay. Okay.
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: So are we talking about defense? I said offense.
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: Nigga, we're talking about, he said overall player, nigga.
[1:20:01] Speaker 2: I said offense.
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: What are you talking about? He said overall. So we're
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: talking about overall. So he's a better winner and defender.
[1:20:08] Speaker 1: He can't say no defense. He's a better winner and
[1:20:10] Speaker 1: defender than him.
[1:20:11] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: Who?
[1:20:12] Speaker 2: That's what you're saying.
[1:20:13] Speaker 1: How many scoring titles does Michael Jordan have?
[1:20:18] Speaker 2: How many points does he have overall?
[1:20:20] Speaker 1: How many scoring titles does LeBron James have?
[1:20:23] Speaker 2: How many points does he have overall?
[1:20:24] Speaker 1: How many scoring titles does LeBron James have? Two. He
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: has two. Michael Jordan has nine scoring titles.
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: Jordan is the better one.
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: In 14 years. Jordan is the better winner. 14 years,
[1:20:41] Speaker 1: I have nine scoring titles, and you have two scoring titles.
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: Why is Jordan the better winner?
[1:20:47] Speaker 6: 23 years.
[1:20:47] Speaker 2: Bro, the 90s was trash.
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: So now we're talking about the 90s. The 90s was trash.
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: John Starks.
[1:20:55] Speaker 2: Come on, man. Look who he's going against, bro.
[1:20:57] Speaker 6: Why can't he play against nobody?
[1:21:00] Speaker 1: What's the top five shooting cards? Why can't he play
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: against nobody in the 90s?
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: A subjective list, Reggie, that's open to interpretation by whoever
[1:21:06] Speaker 3: you ask.
[1:21:08] Speaker 1: All that playing with your back to the basket basketball, man.
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: Get that shit out of here. The 90s was trash.
[1:21:14] Speaker 2: It's David Igloo.
[1:21:16] Speaker 6: All that back to the basket.
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: All that doing this. All that doing this and doing this.
[1:21:22] Speaker 2: Doing that.
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: That's what Michael Jordan was doing? No, the 90s was trash.
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: That's what Michael Jordan was doing?
[1:21:26] Speaker 2: The 90s was trash, yeah.
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: That's what Michael Jordan was doing? It was a big
[1:21:29] Speaker 1: man era. It was a big man era. Listen LeBron
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: air we play right here. We got you got to
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: bring them up. No, I'm not playing like what are
[1:21:36] Speaker 1: you talking about? Like that face like that Mike stop give.
[1:21:39] Speaker 5: Me like what Mike give me in a triangle in
[1:21:41] Speaker 5: a 90s air in a basket Obviously you don't care
[1:21:42] Speaker 5: cuz I'm just making up the 90s is.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: Trash making up see I Michael Michael George played away
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: the MJ fade away the water.
[1:22:05] Speaker 6: Down 90s remember when Larry Birdman was saying that shit
[1:22:08] Speaker 6: when they were the water down 90s he ain't playing.
[1:22:11] Speaker 2: So all the players in the 90s was trash no.
[1:22:13] Speaker 1: I'm just saying the competition who was on the Olympics
[1:22:15] Speaker 1: team All the players in the 90s. I didn't say
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: all the players. I said they have to be. They
[1:22:22] Speaker 1: brought a motherfucker back with AIDS and a nigga with
[1:22:25] Speaker 1: his back broke. They have to be. They have to be. Listen, no.
[1:22:33] Speaker 1: If it was so cold, you don't need Magic and Bird.
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: You disrespect the niggas. Don't even know you swear. You
[1:22:38] Speaker 1: just disrespect the niggas. Why do you have to go
[1:22:42] Speaker 1: to the extreme to try to prove a point? I'm not.
[1:22:45] Speaker 1: Then you are. That was out the league. I'm not
[1:22:47] Speaker 1: going to talk. You are a basketball, bro. No, we're not.
[1:22:50] Speaker 1: It's the whole era of basketball. No, we're not. You're disrespectful.
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: All right, name the top. I'm just asking. Name the
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: top five guards.
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: It's insane, bro.
[1:22:57] Speaker 1: Name the top five guards. It's insane, man. Name the
[1:22:59] Speaker 1: top five shooting guards of the 90s. It's insane. Y'all
[1:23:01] Speaker 1: echoing each other. Y'all know that, right? Jinx. Personal jinx.
[1:23:04] Speaker 1: Personal jinx. My bad. Personal jinx. I'll get to talk
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: to you.
[1:23:07] Speaker 2: Hey.
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: Wow. What a sock on me. No violence in Gil's arena.
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: Sock it to him. Sock it to him. No violence
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: in Gil's arena. We keep it amicable in Gil's arena.
[1:23:17] Speaker 1: Can we get to the next topic? Because these niggas
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: is trolling. These niggas is trolling. Tell us. Can we
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: get the top five shooting guards? From 90 to 96.
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: He did. From 90 to 96. He did. Michael Jordan
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: did play with his back to the basket. He was
[1:23:33] Speaker 1: over here doing all that.
[1:23:34] Speaker 2: The guy that has no.
[1:23:39] Speaker 1: Doing on this couch. I have no credentials to talk
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: about the game, but somehow I'm backing up the 90s
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: and the 2000s. I don't know why. The golden era
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: of basketball.
[1:23:48] Speaker 2: The golden era of basketball.
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: Man, you don't dope. Clyde Drexler. Clyde Drexler told me.
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: He wasn't even in the 90s really. Who, Clyde Drexler?
[1:23:56] Speaker 1: He was older then. No, no. He just looked older. Yeah,
[1:23:59] Speaker 1: Clyde was. Who are you talking about?
[1:24:01] Speaker 6: Clyde Drexler told me to my face he was better
[1:24:03] Speaker 6: than Kobe Bryant.
[1:24:04] Speaker 2: I said, man.
[1:24:05] Speaker 1: Man, where's the check to my dinner? I want to
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: hear that. I'm just as good as Kobe. Clyde, you
[1:24:13] Speaker 1: couldn't even stop Michael Jordan.
[1:24:16] Speaker 2: Draft in 83. I love Clyde, though. I like Clyde.
[1:24:21] Speaker 2: Clyde be talking shit.
[1:24:23] Speaker 1: Let's shift over to contemporary basketball.
[1:24:25] Speaker 3: Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner, made an appearance on the
[1:24:28] Speaker 3: Pat McAfee show Wednesday, discussed a variety of topics, which
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: included flopping and foul baiting, where he offered these thoughts.
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: How about the flopping? Flopping, flopping, flopping. Big conversation, Mr. Commissioner.
[1:24:42] Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's been a conversation. I would only say
[1:24:45] Speaker 9: that there's a difference between selling a call, exaggeration, and
[1:24:49] Speaker 9: a true flop, which is where you're actually.
[1:24:51] Speaker 2: Fooling the referees.
[1:24:52] Speaker 9: I think sometimes even as I sit in the stands
[1:24:55] Speaker 9: at games, players may be falling down, players may be
[1:24:57] Speaker 9: reacting to a call, but then to me, if they're
[1:25:00] Speaker 9: not fooling the referees, It's like, okay, that's like the
[1:25:03] Speaker 9: players are taught to sell calls these days. I mean,
[1:25:05] Speaker 9: can officiating.
[1:25:08] Speaker 2: Get better?
[1:25:09] Speaker 1: Of course.
[1:25:09] Speaker 9: We're always working on that. Can officials get fooled occasionally?
[1:25:13] Speaker 9: We're always looking at that as well. But the officiating
[1:25:16] Speaker 9: is incredible.
[1:25:17] Speaker 3: So is Adam Silver spitting or tripping saying the NBA
[1:25:20] Speaker 3: officiating has been incredible?
[1:25:23] Speaker 1: Can we stop the narrative of Shea? He's spitting. He's
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: spitting fast. That doesn't sound like a rumor. You ever
[1:25:30] Speaker 1: seen a nigga start a rumor and then try to
[1:25:33] Speaker 1: address the rumor at the same time?
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: Nigga, you started the rumor. Why are you addressing the rumor?
[1:25:37] Speaker 2: You started.
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: Nigga, you know, you put in and implemented flopping will
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: be an offensive foul.
[1:25:45] Speaker 2: There were fines involved.
[1:25:46] Speaker 1: All of that was implemented and not one time have
[1:25:49] Speaker 1: we seen an offensive call on a.
[1:25:51] Speaker 2: Flop and a fine implemented on a flop. So here
[1:25:56] Speaker 2: we are. There's been fines for flopping.
[1:25:58] Speaker 1: When? Not this year. Not this year. Not this year.
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: We seen more flopping this year than in time. I
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: think Marcus Mark got one a couple years ago.
[1:26:07] Speaker 2: We talking about some motherfuckers. What we talking about, man?
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: We don't be knowing what he be saying. I think
[1:26:12] Speaker 1: he say shit and he be like. He be trying
[1:26:14] Speaker 1: to please the. He listening to what he's saying. Like, bro,
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: you literally just said that. The refs are missing calls.
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: If the refs are missing calls, well, I mean, it
[1:26:24] Speaker 1: might not. What? Bro, they missing calls. He's flopping. He's
[1:26:27] Speaker 1: falling on the floor. But can we stop the narrative
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: for Shea, though?
[1:26:33] Speaker 5: Back-to-back MVP, Swaggy. But all four clips was of Shea. Like,
[1:26:37] Speaker 5: even my kid, Seven, said OKC got their own rule book. Like,
[1:26:41] Speaker 5: can we stop?
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: Can the world stop with the Shea flopping like he
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: lead the lead in free throws?
[1:26:46] Speaker 2: This is crazy. I don't think they're complaining about that.
[1:26:49] Speaker 1: But they show Shea four different times.
[1:26:52] Speaker 2: But why are they showing him, though?
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: Because he's falling.
[1:26:55] Speaker 2: No. No, because he's a... Because that's the narrative.
[1:26:59] Speaker 1: Because he's falling. Luka flops, right? Hey, you hit me.
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: But he's not falling like this. Joel Embiid falls a lot.
[1:27:11] Speaker 1: Brunson don't fall as much. He falls, but he don't
[1:27:14] Speaker 1: fall as much. Shea, every time.
[1:27:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
[1:27:18] Speaker 1: You don't have to fall to tell the call. Yeah,
[1:27:20] Speaker 1: but it's an international thing. It's a European thing.
[1:27:23] Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man.
[1:27:23] Speaker 1: It's a bonus just to do it.
[1:27:24] Speaker 2: Yeah. Come on, man.
[1:27:26] Speaker 1: This thing has been... But they're not falling like this.
[1:27:28] Speaker 6: But what I'm saying, flopping and doing all that stuff
[1:27:30] Speaker 6: with fouls, bro, has been happening.
[1:27:31] Speaker 1: It did come from Europe. Yeah. People don't want to
[1:27:33] Speaker 1: talk about it. Why do you think they make the
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: rule that you can get you can get fined for
[1:27:37] Speaker 1: a flop because it got out of hand no because
[1:27:40] Speaker 1: james and them was doing the foul bait and shit
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: we got it was like we gotta start putting something
[1:27:45] Speaker 1: in on this.
[1:27:46] Speaker 6: Yeah but that was bullshit though that the um the
[1:27:48] Speaker 6: flopping for james because if you're if i'm doing this
[1:27:50] Speaker 6: because no it was no i will give james if
[1:27:53] Speaker 6: you're doing this that's the right that's a foul like i'm.
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: Sorry we were taught we were taught these things yeah
[1:27:59] Speaker 1: all the players are taught how to get an advantage
[1:28:02] Speaker 1: over the defense. We do that when we're training.
[1:28:05] Speaker 2: But the flopping was not a part of that. Stop
[1:28:08] Speaker 2: digging for those.
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: That's not a part of it. All of that is
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: smart offering. That's the difference. You're selling it, right? That's
[1:28:15] Speaker 1: selling the call. That's why they stopped using that as
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: a foul when you get your hand in the cookie jar.
[1:28:20] Speaker 1: That's a foul. But they stopped calling it.
[1:28:22] Speaker 2: I don't know why. Because we're using it as a foul.
[1:28:24] Speaker 2: We're baiting the foul.
[1:28:25] Speaker 1: Well, stop digging for goals. They stopped making it a
[1:28:27] Speaker 1: free throw. They stopped making it a free throw.
[1:28:28] Speaker 2: It was on the side.
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: It's still a foul, but it's on the side.
[1:28:31] Speaker 2: It's still a foul.
[1:28:32] Speaker 1: Right? But look, that's what we're saying. Like, Shea's getting
[1:28:35] Speaker 1: two free throws on fouling and flopping when it should
[1:28:38] Speaker 1: just be ball on the side. Or foul.
[1:28:41] Speaker 2: Man, it's an offensive foul.
[1:28:41] Speaker 1: You can't. Why are you flopping and selling the call, bro?
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: You don't need to do that.
[1:28:45] Speaker 2: You gotta land. That's the thing.
[1:28:46] Speaker 1: You gotta let me land. But he's doing this.
[1:28:51] Speaker 2: I used to sell calls.
[1:28:52] Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I got that shit from Reggie Miller.
[1:28:55] Speaker 1: I used to kick my feet out on every shot. Yo, Joe,
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: what was the question again? Mr. B, there are no
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: questions in life. Out of silver.
[1:29:02] Speaker 2: What was he?
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: Spinner tripping, saying the NBA is officiating has been incredible.
[1:29:07] Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we have the best refs ever. Yeah,
[1:29:11] Speaker 6: because you got to look at our game, the way
[1:29:13] Speaker 6: it's played. Our game is very fast, and we only
[1:29:15] Speaker 6: have three refs out there. And it's actually the hardest
[1:29:17] Speaker 6: game to ref. I feel like if you go to NFL,
[1:29:20] Speaker 6: NFL has seven different refs.
[1:29:21] Speaker 2: If we had the best refs.
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[1:29:23] Speaker 2: If we had the best refs.
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: Why are they getting AI to help?
[1:29:27] Speaker 2: I don't agree with the AI. There's only one AI
[1:29:29] Speaker 2: that they need help from.
[1:29:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:29:31] Speaker 2: I don't agree with the AI.
[1:29:33] Speaker 1: I think we should have two or three more refs
[1:29:37] Speaker 1: on the baseline so where guys can roam around, right? No.
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: Well, the NFL has seven.
[1:29:42] Speaker 3: That sounds like a prison guard, but there's 22 players
[1:29:44] Speaker 3: on the field in the NFL.
[1:29:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have seven, and they still.
[1:29:48] Speaker 1: You know, they still be missing stuff.
[1:29:49] Speaker 2: All the time.
[1:29:50] Speaker 6: Two more on the baseline to where they can be
[1:29:52] Speaker 6: able to see certain things.
[1:29:54] Speaker 2: Like, just another eye.
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: But an AI, like, I definitely wouldn't do that. You
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: don't need to see more shit when you looking right
[1:30:00] Speaker 1: at the damn play and you're deciding not to call it.
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: Didn't ugly ass Tony say, I'm the judge, the jury,
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: and the executioner. He literally is saying, I call what
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: I want, when I want, and ain't nobody gonna do
[1:30:14] Speaker 1: shit about it.
[1:30:15] Speaker 2: No. No.
[1:30:16] Speaker 1: Why do you think they bring him in for certain games? No.
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: Why do you think they bring Scott Foster in for
[1:30:22] Speaker 1: certain games? So go get.
[1:30:23] Speaker 6: Two more refs on the sidelines so we can see
[1:30:25] Speaker 6: this shit. So if you're going to bring that, listen,
[1:30:28] Speaker 6: you need another eye. Why AI? Just go get two guys. Fuck,
[1:30:32] Speaker 6: they already be doing this and then you got to
[1:30:34] Speaker 6: go up there and the refs got to look at
[1:30:36] Speaker 6: the ball.
[1:30:36] Speaker 2: So imagine that.
[1:30:36] Speaker 1: So what's the difference? All right, let's talk about that.
[1:30:38] Speaker 1: The refs are like a game. Let's talk about that.
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: So what's the difference?
[1:30:41] Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.
[1:30:43] Speaker 1: If you challenge a play, And I'm a coach. I
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: challenge the play. And the play gets overturned. Shouldn't the
[1:30:51] Speaker 1: ref be penalized for that overturned call?
[1:30:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, that shit happened.
[1:30:55] Speaker 1: You made a call. I said, that's some bullshit. Give
[1:30:59] Speaker 1: me that. No, that didn't happen. And then it didn't happen.
[1:31:02] Speaker 1: You made the wrong call. Penalty. The integrity of the game. Now,
[1:31:07] Speaker 1: let's say do a plus minus for the refs. At
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: the end of the game, Tony Brothers got a negative
[1:31:12] Speaker 1: 14 because he missed four calls.
[1:31:15] Speaker 2: Six in the middle.
[1:31:16] Speaker 1: He got eight right. Hey, listen, man.
[1:31:18] Speaker 6: They better give you a percentage because that's what I
[1:31:20] Speaker 6: would put on the betting apps.
[1:31:21] Speaker 2: They better give you a.
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: How many motherfucking fouls is Tony going to miss today?
[1:31:26] Speaker 1: So think about if we had more challenges. If we
[1:31:29] Speaker 1: had more challenges, if we could challenge more shit, it
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: would be like, yo, Tony Brothers is trash tonight. What
[1:31:37] Speaker 1: would be a foul, though? What would be a foul?
[1:31:43] Speaker 1: Or like how many... What would be a foul, though?
[1:31:45] Speaker 2: Unethical official.
[1:31:46] Speaker 1: What do you mean, what would.
[1:31:47] Speaker 2: Be a foul?
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: Some stuff you might not think is a foul. But
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. When you do the fucking challenge...
[1:31:52] Speaker 1: We're going to have the most calls tonight. Do the
[1:31:54] Speaker 1: three rounds. Hey, pay the man. You got to pay
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: the man right here.
[1:31:58] Speaker 2: I understand.
[1:31:59] Speaker 1: If you think about that, if we had more challenges...
[1:32:01] Speaker 1: That's what I say. I say more challenges. They would
[1:32:03] Speaker 1: have more bad calls. We would actually see more bad calls.
[1:32:06] Speaker 1: I would say more challenges. Think about it. When we
[1:32:09] Speaker 1: playing at LA Fitness and shit, right? They could call
[1:32:11] Speaker 1: a bad call. We cheat like a hell. We'd be like,
[1:32:15] Speaker 1: now that was my ball. Or you call a foul.
[1:32:16] Speaker 1: I'd be like, bro, I didn't touch you.
[1:32:18] Speaker 2: Like, nah, that's me.
[1:32:20] Speaker 1: Because I missed it. But if we going to act
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: like that for real in real time, it's going to
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: stop coming to play.
[1:32:27] Speaker 2: For sure. And we spend two hours.
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: He called every single call. But now. Hey, look, challenge.
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: Challenge that.
[1:32:36] Speaker 2: Man, listen.
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: Tony done missed six calls in a row. We challenged
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: six of them in a row. They was all wrong.
[1:32:42] Speaker 1: Why he keep reffing? Why y'all keep picking him? He's terrible.
[1:32:45] Speaker 1: Sometimes you could just really be a terrible ref. So
[1:32:48] Speaker 1: instead of lying and saying the refs are incredible.
[1:32:51] Speaker 2: They are. Let's be real.
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: They are. You don't like Tony? We have the greatest
[1:32:54] Speaker 1: refs ever. Just like the players can be better.
[1:32:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, they can be better.
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: The players are better. They're just more skilled. And they just... Look,
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: it's the hardest game to ref, bro. If Shane stopped
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: flopping more, would his points per game go down? Listen,
[1:33:09] Speaker 1: I agree with that.
[1:33:09] Speaker 2: Listen, I agree with that.
[1:33:10] Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, you can't be
[1:33:12] Speaker 6: mad because I can sell it.
[1:33:15] Speaker 1: Like, I'm a good actor. Like, this is entertainment right.
[1:33:17] Speaker 2: At the end of the day. But if we do
[1:33:18] Speaker 2: this and you're trying to sell a car... Was James flopping?
[1:33:21] Speaker 2: And we're like, that's not a foul.
[1:33:23] Speaker 6: But you got to think about the court that we're
[1:33:25] Speaker 6: playing on. You got 10 guys on the court and
[1:33:28] Speaker 6: the court is small.
[1:33:29] Speaker 1: Bro, we're touching... We're touching each other every time.
[1:33:32] Speaker 6: So the skill and the IQ of us being able
[1:33:34] Speaker 6: to trick ref, I mean, bro, that's just how good
[1:33:37] Speaker 6: we are.
[1:33:37] Speaker 1: I get that. I get that.
[1:33:38] Speaker 2: I get that.
[1:33:39] Speaker 6: We have the refs in the NBA have the hardest
[1:33:42] Speaker 6: job ever, bro.
[1:33:43] Speaker 2: I swear to God. But if you get two more refs.
[1:33:44] Speaker 1: Like, the NFL is easier.
[1:33:45] Speaker 2: That's a lot.
[1:33:46] Speaker 1: Like, bro, I'd rather go do the NFL or anything. Bro,
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: it's seven of us out here. But you get two
[1:33:50] Speaker 1: more refs, though. We got three odds. I ain't going
[1:33:52] Speaker 1: to stand. I ain't going to stand. I ain't going
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: to stand. I ain't going to stand.
[1:33:57] Speaker 2: I ain't going to stand.
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: No, we're not going to.
[1:34:11] Speaker 2: No. We want to stop the flop.
[1:34:13] Speaker 1: Bro, if I'm good enough. Bro. The flopping is slowing
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: the game down just as much as two more reps would.
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: Stop touching me. Yes, that's what it is. It's a
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: physical game. It's a physical game. No, you're not. Yes,
[1:34:23] Speaker 1: I am. No, you're falling on the ground. Yes, I am.
[1:34:26] Speaker 1: That's not the first person to do that. Lou Williams
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: used to do that all the time. Nobody respected that shit. Yes,
[1:34:32] Speaker 1: they did. Bucket. That's the bucket. It's all your fault.
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: That's a bucket. No, man, get in the fucking weight room. No, no, no.
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: You don't have to. Get your core strong, nigga. God,
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: you make me like that. If I blow on you
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: and you fall, man, that's some weak-ass shit. That's some
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: weak-ass shit, man. That's some weak-ass shit. No, man, you
[1:34:54] Speaker 1: want AI to be in there flipping 280. No, I
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: just want you to don't fall when I blow on you.
[1:35:00] Speaker 1: Come on, bro. Come on, my nigga. Are you good?
[1:35:04] Speaker 1: I didn't even hit you. What did the dude say
[1:35:08] Speaker 1: on Friday? It ain't even wet over there, nigga.
[1:35:10] Speaker 2: Get up.
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: It ain't even wet over there. Nobody want to be that.
[1:35:15] Speaker 1: It ain't even wet over there. What you falling for?
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: It's a foul. It ain't a foul.
[1:35:19] Speaker 2: You being soft.
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: You being too damn strong. You being too soft. Shit,
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: this is a finesse game. We in the gym. Why
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: are you not in the gym? We in the gym
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: and you not even in the gym.
[1:35:35] Speaker 2: We in the gym and you not even in the gym.
[1:35:37] Speaker 1: You in the wrong damn gym. I'm in both. No,
[1:35:40] Speaker 1: you're not. I'm in both gyms. No, you're not.
[1:35:42] Speaker 2: I'm in both gyms.
[1:35:44] Speaker 1: I'm daggering your ass. No, you're not. And I'm guarding you. No,
[1:35:47] Speaker 1: you're not. So what is we talking about? And then
[1:35:50] Speaker 1: you mad because I'm locking your ass up. No, no.
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: You like, come on, man. No, no. Stop being a
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: little bitch. No, how about you go play football? All
[1:35:57] Speaker 1: that shit that you're doing, go play football. Cut. All right.
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: How about that? Relax. No, because he want to go live.
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: Being a little bitch, nigga. A bitch? No, because he
[1:36:08] Speaker 1: want to go, because he want to lift. Because he
[1:36:11] Speaker 1: want to lift. Yeah, he want to be out.
[1:36:13] Speaker 2: There at 350.
[1:36:15] Speaker 1: You finally got some shit right.
[1:36:22] Speaker 2: What's up?
[1:36:22] Speaker 1: You a hack. I am a fucking hack. I got
[1:36:26] Speaker 1: six fucking fouls.
[1:36:27] Speaker 3: So this brings me to my next question. Obviously, SGA
[1:36:29] Speaker 3: has been the subject of a lot of slander.
[1:36:31] Speaker 2: That's crazy, bro.
[1:36:33] Speaker 3: You know, they talk about being Canadian, the flop and
[1:36:35] Speaker 3: all that, but did spend the last two years of
[1:36:36] Speaker 3: high school here in the States, went to Kentucky. So
[1:36:39] Speaker 3: it has a lot of American influence in this game
[1:36:40] Speaker 3: is the point. But is flopping and foul baiting as
[1:36:42] Speaker 3: big a deal as people are making it out to be?
[1:36:44] Speaker 3: Or do people just like to be mad at shit?
[1:36:46] Speaker 1: No. We just like to be mad at shit. We're
[1:36:47] Speaker 1: watching the game, yo. People mad at everything.
[1:36:49] Speaker 2: You're watching the game. They hate greatness, bro. You're watching it.
[1:36:53] Speaker 2: People hate greatness.
[1:36:53] Speaker 1: I enjoy bucket getting.
[1:36:54] Speaker 2: You're watching.
[1:36:54] Speaker 1: When you like getting buckets and watching, like you just said,
[1:36:57] Speaker 1: bucket getting.
[1:36:58] Speaker 2: People hate greatness, bro. But when you falling to get
[1:37:01] Speaker 2: to the free throw line.
[1:37:03] Speaker 1: And you don't have to because Shea wasn't doing that
[1:37:05] Speaker 1: in college and he wasn't doing that his first three years.
[1:37:07] Speaker 2: He learned from Lou. You picked this up.
[1:37:10] Speaker 1: Chris Paul. Put it down. No.
[1:37:13] Speaker 2: Put it down. Put that shit down.
[1:37:15] Speaker 1: People hate greatness. His game actually don't need it. He
[1:37:20] Speaker 1: really don't need it. Yes, you do. Brunson does it.
[1:37:22] Speaker 1: Everybody does it. He don't need it, though. Brunson needs
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: it because he's six foot. Shay is winning six foot.
[1:37:28] Speaker 1: Stop doing that. Shay is on top. That's why you
[1:37:30] Speaker 1: couldn't guard A.I. because he was six foot. Shay is
[1:37:33] Speaker 1: on top. That's why I be hating on Shay. Huh?
[1:37:36] Speaker 1: He's what?
[1:37:36] Speaker 2: He's on top.
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: He's number one.
[1:37:38] Speaker 2: MVP, MVP.
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: No, because he has a high IQ and he can
[1:37:42] Speaker 1: fly the game. Now he's flopping. Everybody does it. How
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: about you just stop fouling? How about you just not
[1:37:47] Speaker 1: smarter than me? How about you just not? That's why
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: I got two-time MVP. Ain't they Ty, Wimby, and Shea?
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: How about you go tell Wimmy, how about you go
[1:37:57] Speaker 1: watch SGA? It has the IQ like that. Did you
[1:37:59] Speaker 1: see the foul that Wimmy got? If everybody's falling like
[1:38:02] Speaker 1: the whole OKC team, the whole Oklahoma City Thunder team
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: is falling on the fucking ground, bro. Did you see
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: how fucking Wimbley ran into Shea for no reason? Did
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: you see Williams run into Keldon Johnson for no reason
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: and just fall? Did you see Pumley and the other.
[1:38:20] Speaker 6: Dude come in there and do all that shit. What
[1:38:22] Speaker 6: the fuck you talking about? He over here talking about
[1:38:24] Speaker 6: I got.
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: One more for you. What the hell?
[1:38:26] Speaker 2: Nothing, bro.
[1:38:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, he came in. and told him, I got one
[1:38:30] Speaker 1: more for you. Man, leave the homie alone. All he
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: wanted to do was paint his nails and get buckets. Relax.
[1:38:35] Speaker 2: Leave him alone.
[1:38:36] Speaker 1: No you ain't see how he fell on the ground
[1:38:38] Speaker 1: too he hit my man in the throat and then
[1:38:40] Speaker 1: just fell on the ground oh that was bull come
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: on bro this ain't no tiktok video relax you don't
[1:38:45] Speaker 1: have to come out oh yeah they got to july
[1:38:48] Speaker 1: i'm letting y'all know that right now no when i
[1:38:50] Speaker 1: get this after july when the sun.
[1:39:00] Speaker 6: Chocolate Me, y'all better go back inside because.
[1:39:03] Speaker 2: It's our time.
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: We have taken the streets over.
[1:39:05] Speaker 6: Y'all got to July, and it's our time.
[1:39:08] Speaker 1: After that, right after Summer League, I'm going to be
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: dark as hell.
[1:39:11] Speaker 2: We do get back.
[1:39:12] Speaker 1: We're going to be talking. They're going to be, ooh. McKenzie,
[1:39:16] Speaker 1: you're going to be on. They're going to be on you.
[1:39:20] Speaker 1: They're going to be like, Rashad.
[1:39:22] Speaker 2: If it ain't snowing, I ain't going.
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: I ain't worried about it. Vanilla like vanilla, shit. Well,
[1:39:28] Speaker 1: I mean, you said vanilla like vanilla.
[1:39:31] Speaker 2: Vanilla.
[1:39:33] Speaker 1: I see chocolate and vanilla.
[1:39:35] Speaker 3: We talked about the automated replay. Let's also listen to
[1:39:38] Speaker 3: what Adam Silver had to say about automated replay coming
[1:39:40] Speaker 3: into the league soon.
[1:39:41] Speaker 9: I think in terms of replay, I think we're going
[1:39:44] Speaker 9: to get to the point fairly quickly where– For example,
[1:39:48] Speaker 9: Out of Bounds, the very play that you were talking about.
[1:39:50] Speaker 1: Chet Hunter and his foot, it's big deal.
[1:39:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:39:54] Speaker 9: And I think where, just like, you know, if you're
[1:39:57] Speaker 9: a tennis fan and they have what they call Hawkeye,
[1:40:00] Speaker 9: and it's like the animation, do-do-do-do-do-do-do, and you quickly see,
[1:40:03] Speaker 9: you know, where the line was and the oohs and
[1:40:05] Speaker 9: aahs of the crowd had touched the line or it
[1:40:07] Speaker 9: was Out of Bounds. We're gonna move to a system
[1:40:09] Speaker 9: like that where that whole category of calls will be automatic,
[1:40:13] Speaker 9: where it's gonna be Laker ball, Nick ball, whatever it is,
[1:40:20] Speaker 9: Thunder ball. Those calls will be done by an AI
[1:40:23] Speaker 9: automated system with cameras lined around the court and it'll
[1:40:27] Speaker 9: take all of those so-called objective calls out of the
[1:40:29] Speaker 9: hands of the referees. It'll just be instantaneous. It'll be automatic.
[1:40:33] Speaker 9: Just play on. Let's go. Spurs inbound, and you'll move on.
[1:40:38] Speaker 9: You won't have to deal with challenges on those calls,
[1:40:40] Speaker 9: but it will also allow the officials on the more
[1:40:44] Speaker 9: difficult subjective calls to give their full attention to the ….
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: He said Lakers ball. He did. But he knew where
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: he was going. He knew where to go.
[1:40:53] Speaker 3: I am a big fan of ABS in baseball. It
[1:40:56] Speaker 3: makes it exciting now, and I like to see umpires
[1:40:58] Speaker 3: get clowned.
[1:40:58] Speaker 2: It's different.
[1:41:00] Speaker 1: I'm playing the show.
[1:41:02] Speaker 3: If we do that in Little League, we get ejected,
[1:41:04] Speaker 3: so you have to use it discreetly. Sometimes you got
[1:41:06] Speaker 3: to just nick them with the head tap real quick.
[1:41:08] Speaker 3: But are you guys rolling with the NBA using AI
[1:41:10] Speaker 3: automated replay?
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: Wait, what they do? What y'all do?
[1:41:13] Speaker 3: So in baseball, if you think it's a bad, if
[1:41:15] Speaker 3: they call a ball a strike, you can just, or
[1:41:18] Speaker 3: vice versa, you think it's a strike and they call
[1:41:20] Speaker 3: it a ball.
[1:41:20] Speaker 2: Because they show the strike zone.
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see the little box right here.
[1:41:24] Speaker 1: So we don't have that in Little League, but we
[1:41:25] Speaker 1: still hit the umps with that just to disrespect them. Thanks.
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: Two-time Little League champion. See, he capping right there. See,
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: now he capping.
[1:41:34] Speaker 6: Because if you're trying to take after tennis, tennis has
[1:41:37] Speaker 6: been doing this forever. So I'm trying to figure out
[1:41:40] Speaker 6: with the way the NBA makes so much money, why
[1:41:42] Speaker 6: you ain't been doing this.
[1:41:43] Speaker 2: With the guy in tennis?
[1:41:45] Speaker 6: No, I'm saying when tennis with the ball, how they
[1:41:47] Speaker 6: say track the ball and all that, how you know
[1:41:48] Speaker 6: if it's on the line. Like, they've been doing this
[1:41:52] Speaker 6: for a long time.
[1:41:53] Speaker 1: They can't tell which referee is cheating or not, so
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: they're going to slowly implement it.
[1:41:57] Speaker 2: But that was kind of tough, though.
[1:41:58] Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean, you kind of just told on
[1:41:59] Speaker 1: yourself about who's going to lead.
[1:42:01] Speaker 5: If you're the ref looking behind, it looks like it
[1:42:04] Speaker 5: could go off of Wimmy Foote.
[1:42:05] Speaker 2: I can see that.
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: Oh, that's why the angles up there. Yeah, that's what
[1:42:09] Speaker 1: I'm saying. Nobody was right there. Sitting right there. That's
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: what I'm saying about the refs. You see it, and
[1:42:13] Speaker 1: you definitely seen it, and you decided we're going this way.
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: Nobody was right there, though. It was Tony Brothers. No,
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: he wasn't. Go back. Tony Brothers was on this side.
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: It was James or Tony that was on the baseline.
[1:42:28] Speaker 2: It was this person and this person.
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: You know what's so crazy?
[1:42:30] Speaker 6: The fact that we can call this out today. Hey,
[1:42:33] Speaker 6: Tony Brothers ref. Oh, yeah, you know what time it is.
[1:42:35] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. I like Tony Brothers. No, no, no.
[1:42:38] Speaker 2: I'm not saying I don't like.
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: You're saying which ref is on this game and you
[1:42:41] Speaker 1: know which game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:42:44] Speaker 2: And then it happens.
[1:42:45] Speaker 6: You could tweet before the game and be like, yeah,
[1:42:47] Speaker 6: he's reffing tonight.
[1:42:48] Speaker 1: You know what time it is.
[1:42:49] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: Today, Foster. Foster reffing today? Oh, you know what's going
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: to happen. Spurs won. I thought he was. We know
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: NBA is rigged. The Spurs won. Foster going. Yeah, the
[1:43:01] Speaker 1: Spurs are winning tonight for sure. Foster is reffing, so
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: you know the Spurs. Just let me know who reffing.
[1:43:06] Speaker 1: Gucci Mane?
[1:43:06] Speaker 2: Zach Zarba. Gucci Mane, James Williams, Tyler Ford.
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: Oh, man. Zach is for sure.
[1:43:12] Speaker 2: Zach is Lil' Scott. Lil' Scott Foster. Yeah, but, yeah.
[1:43:15] Speaker 1: So you know the Spurs win, huh? I don't know,
[1:43:19] Speaker 1: not because James is OKC. He got the shades on.
[1:43:23] Speaker 2: He does wear the shades.
[1:43:25] Speaker 1: He dare to make it close.
[1:43:27] Speaker 2: No, he dare to take it over the top. Replay,
[1:43:32] Speaker 2: automated replay.
[1:43:33] Speaker 1: It's going to be tiny. Whoever hits the game winner
[1:43:35] Speaker 1: is going to win. Yes, I am.
[1:43:38] Speaker 3: That's also annoying because I do like human error by referees.
[1:43:40] Speaker 3: That's what makes the game fun, too, to be able
[1:43:42] Speaker 3: to curse them.
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: But that's part of the game.
[1:43:44] Speaker 6: That's why I said they're the greatest refs ever because
[1:43:47] Speaker 6: they have the hardest job ever. You are reffing against
[1:43:50] Speaker 6: 10 guys out there that are moving at 100 miles
[1:43:53] Speaker 6: an hour.
[1:43:53] Speaker 2: Come on, man.
[1:43:55] Speaker 1: Not blind. You're not blind. Tony, you've seen that shit.
[1:43:59] Speaker 1: I can't see everything. I can't see that. The fans,
[1:44:04] Speaker 1: I'm over there looking at the popcorn. I'm hungry. I'm
[1:44:07] Speaker 1: behind shit. I'm behind shit. Half the refs got a
[1:44:12] Speaker 1: pissing shit. Checks in the mail.
[1:44:14] Speaker 5: But that two points didn't change the game. That didn't
[1:44:18] Speaker 5: change the game, though. But that didn't change the game.
[1:44:21] Speaker 5: But your check in the mail, though.
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: They won by more than two points. You know what
[1:44:25] Speaker 1: else we said in the huddle? Man, it's eight on
[1:44:27] Speaker 1: five tonight, guys. We're going to have to do a
[1:44:28] Speaker 1: lot more than this. Why is he losing the ball
[1:44:31] Speaker 1: like that? Blame the player.
[1:44:34] Speaker 2: It went off somebody else's foot. Because he lost the ball.
[1:44:36] Speaker 2: You tried to give it to them.
[1:44:38] Speaker 1: He lost the ball.
[1:44:39] Speaker 2: Off his foot.
[1:44:41] Speaker 1: He lost the ball.
[1:44:42] Speaker 5: Fucking weak ass if he never lose the ball.
[1:44:46] Speaker 3: Let's move on to our last topic of the day
[1:44:49] Speaker 3: before we prepare for game six of the Western Conference Finals.
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: That was pretty fun.
[1:44:54] Speaker 2: Thank you, Swaggy.
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: It's okay, man. I won today, though. You can't recreate.
[1:44:59] Speaker 1: This seat right here? You know who I was?
[1:45:01] Speaker 2: I cooked you today. I cooked you today.
[1:45:03] Speaker 1: I cooked you today. You lost that one. I cooked
[1:45:04] Speaker 1: both of y'all. You lost that one. You lost that
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell. You live in a parallel universe, my nigga.
[1:45:17] Speaker 2: I'm coming back.
[1:45:18] Speaker 1: You're not even a real person right now. The way
[1:45:20] Speaker 1: I cooked y'all, I'm back now. Cooked who?
[1:45:22] Speaker 2: That wasn't me. That wasn't me.
[1:45:23] Speaker 1: You lost that Donovan Mitchell.
[1:45:24] Speaker 2: That wasn't me. That wasn't me. And that ring one.
[1:45:27] Speaker 2: Making a peanut butter sandwich is not cooking, bro. Good dog.
[1:45:31] Speaker 1: It is not the same thing. If you put butter
[1:45:33] Speaker 1: in the pan and then you... Uh-huh. You know, put
[1:45:37] Speaker 1: that spatula on there. Yeah, on the bread. Boy, make
[1:45:39] Speaker 1: that shit buttery and toasty. Butter with peanut butter jelly?
[1:45:43] Speaker 5: Man, you ain't never had no buttery bread.
[1:45:45] Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
[1:45:47] Speaker 1: Boy, you got to put.
[1:45:48] Speaker 2: That butter on that bread, buddy.
[1:45:50] Speaker 1: Like you got butter in the back of your teeth
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: and shit.
[1:45:53] Speaker 2: Buy or try it when you get home. Huh?
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: That's high cholesterol. Hey, man, we all got to go
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: someday and shit.
[1:46:05] Speaker 2: Mmm.
[1:46:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have some breaking news obviously What my
[1:46:12] Speaker 3: hacking reform so NBA Board of Governors? Loaded to expand
[1:46:16] Speaker 3: the lottery and address The tanking problem so tanking become
[1:46:20] Speaker 3: a major issue in the NBA The bottom third of
[1:46:22] Speaker 3: the league appearing to be actively engaged in tricking off
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: games to improve their lottery odds So for the first
[1:46:27] Speaker 3: time in league history, there were eight different teams with
[1:46:29] Speaker 3: 55 plus losses also saw the most 30-point blowouts in
[1:46:32] Speaker 3: league history this season so recently League revealed a new
[1:46:36] Speaker 3: anti-tanking reform being dubbed the 3-2-1 lottery. League governors voted
[1:46:41] Speaker 3: on that today and approved it. So the new reform
[1:46:43] Speaker 3: seeks to stop teams from deliberately losing games to improve
[1:46:46] Speaker 3: their hopes of landing a top draft pick. So let's
[1:46:50] Speaker 3: take a look at some of the initiatives under this proposal.
[1:46:53] Speaker 3: The lottery would expand from 14 to 16 teams. include
[1:46:56] Speaker 3: a relegation zone where the bottom three teams would get
[1:46:59] Speaker 3: penalized with fewer lottery balls for the number one pick.
[1:47:02] Speaker 3: Teams that don't make the playoffs or plan but stay
[1:47:05] Speaker 3: out of the relegation zone would each get three lottery balls.
[1:47:09] Speaker 2: No team would be.
[1:47:10] Speaker 3: Allowed to win the top pick in two consecutive drafts
[1:47:12] Speaker 3: or get a top five pick in three straight drafts.
[1:47:14] Speaker 3: And teams cannot protect picks in the 12 to 15 slots.
[1:47:18] Speaker 3: So we have a visual representation of how the new
[1:47:21] Speaker 3: lottery odds will look courtesy of Sportico's Lev Akabas. Teams
[1:47:27] Speaker 3: with the 4th through 10th-worth records would have three lottery
[1:47:30] Speaker 3: balls each and an 8.1% chance.
[1:47:33] Speaker 2: At the number one pick.
[1:47:35] Speaker 3: Teams with the NBA's bottom three records and the 11th
[1:47:37] Speaker 3: through 14th-worth records would have two balls each and a 5.4%
[1:47:41] Speaker 3: shot at the number one overall pick. And the two
[1:47:44] Speaker 3: teams that lose the 7 versus 8 playing game would
[1:47:47] Speaker 3: each get a 2.7% shot at the number one pick.
[1:47:51] Speaker 3: So on a recent competition committee call, NBA Commissioner Adam
[1:47:54] Speaker 3: Silver said, we should have a system where you should
[1:47:56] Speaker 3: have to lose. It shouldn't be a badge of honor.
[1:47:59] Speaker 3: Losing should be uncomfortable. Under this new system, Silver would
[1:48:03] Speaker 3: also be able to directly penalize teams for tanking, including
[1:48:06] Speaker 3: fines up to $ 10 million, forfeiting or removing first round picks,
[1:48:10] Speaker 3: reducing lottery odds for the number one pick, suspending front
[1:48:13] Speaker 3: office executives, and in extreme cases, altering a team's draft position.
[1:48:17] Speaker 3: So this initiative is looking to start with the 2021
[1:48:20] Speaker 3: the 2027 draft run through 2029 with reevaluation after that.
[1:48:26] Speaker 2: So Shabba will start with you.
[1:48:27] Speaker 3: Is the league spinning or tripping with the anti-taking draft
[1:48:30] Speaker 3: lottery reform that just got approved by the Board of Governors?
[1:48:33] Speaker 2: It's interesting to say the least. It's going to change
[1:48:38] Speaker 2: a lot of different things, I believe. Because it's like
[1:48:41] Speaker 2: you look at teams that were tanking this year, like
[1:48:43] Speaker 2: Utah and Dallas, and to lose that integrity amongst the
[1:48:49] Speaker 2: fans and try to figure out what you want to
[1:48:51] Speaker 2: do based on your GM and the people you hire
[1:48:54] Speaker 2: in the front office can't get the job done.
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: That's usually, to me, is what's happening. You're not making
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: the right trades. You're not acquiring the right free agents.
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: Then you go out there and lose on purpose to
[1:49:05] Speaker 1: try to get a draft pick. that's a younger guy
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: that's already, you already got a bunch of young guys.
[1:49:10] Speaker 1: You're getting more young guys and you're going to be
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: losing in the future because you got young guys and
[1:49:15] Speaker 1: you're waiting on them to pan out like an OKC
[1:49:19] Speaker 1: or one of these younger teams that's done it the
[1:49:21] Speaker 1: right way. I think that if you put the right
[1:49:24] Speaker 1: people in place for the executives, you'll get better outcomes.
[1:49:28] Speaker 1: I think a lot of these teams is dealing with
[1:49:29] Speaker 1: people who don't know what the fuck they're doing. They
[1:49:31] Speaker 1: don't know nothing about scouting. They don't know nothing about talent.
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: They're just going out there and trying to, Increase the ROI.
[1:49:38] Speaker 1: And that's usually the reason why teams continue to lose
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: in their graveyard because they keep hiring the wrong people
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: in the positions that need to put talent in. And
[1:49:48] Speaker 1: so now you're dealing with tanking. And the owners are
[1:49:51] Speaker 1: taking the hit for it. So I think the owners
[1:49:53] Speaker 1: need to make better decisions of who they put in
[1:49:56] Speaker 1: position to hire people.
[1:49:57] Speaker 3: But you got new CBA aprons, all these things going on. Tanking,
[1:50:01] Speaker 3: like we said, nothing new. I think nothing new for
[1:50:03] Speaker 3: sports leagues. NFL's always just done it. You have the
[1:50:07] Speaker 3: worst record in the league, you get the number one pick.
[1:50:09] Speaker 3: And you don't really hear their fans bitching about tanking,
[1:50:11] Speaker 3: but I tripped over here. Swaggy, is the league spitting
[1:50:14] Speaker 3: or tripping with these anti-tanking?
[1:50:17] Speaker 5: I say tripping, man, because sometimes teams are just ass.
[1:50:21] Speaker 2: You know? Some teams just can't win. Like, shit, Dallas.
[1:50:26] Speaker 1: I don't think they had a chance.
[1:50:29] Speaker 2: Utah.
[1:50:29] Speaker 5: I don't think no matter what they did, they didn't
[1:50:32] Speaker 5: have a chance.
[1:50:34] Speaker 2: Wizards, for sure. Some teams are just bad.
[1:50:40] Speaker 5: So now they're getting penalized for being a real, actually
[1:50:44] Speaker 5: bad team. Sometimes injuries happen, like with Boston. They would
[1:50:49] Speaker 5: have probably....
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: Or Indiana. I mean, with Indiana.
[1:50:55] Speaker 2: Things happen.
[1:50:57] Speaker 5: So, because Heinenberg got hurt, now remember, we're... Dead last,
[1:51:02] Speaker 5: we got to be penalized like we wanted to be here.
[1:51:05] Speaker 2: We just went to the finals.
[1:51:07] Speaker 5: Now we're in the lottery. Sometimes they're just bad. And
[1:51:11] Speaker 5: then I think it takes away from the players that's
[1:51:15] Speaker 5: coming out. I don't think they'll be seeing like, well,
[1:51:19] Speaker 5: they're going to put people on teams they want them
[1:51:20] Speaker 5: to be on, but it's going to be harder to
[1:51:22] Speaker 5: put like the LeBrons on the team because some guys
[1:51:25] Speaker 5: are going to go to good teams and it's hard
[1:51:28] Speaker 5: to You need that player to go through the ups
[1:51:32] Speaker 5: and downs and losing. It's hard to be a superstar
[1:51:35] Speaker 5: and come to OKC, and now you're coming off the
[1:51:39] Speaker 5: bench as the number one pick.
[1:51:41] Speaker 1: You're trying to find your way like Cooper Flagg.
[1:51:44] Speaker 5: Was in the beginning. It's going to be tough. Some
[1:51:47] Speaker 5: people can't make it through that.
[1:51:50] Speaker 3: There's been talk about broadcasting the live portion of the
[1:51:56] Speaker 3: the draft lottery selection process with the ping pong balls
[1:51:58] Speaker 3: just to keep it transparent so fans can see exactly
[1:52:01] Speaker 3: what's going down because we hear all those rumors and
[1:52:04] Speaker 3: reports and rumblings. Shady things going on behind closed doors.
[1:52:09] Speaker 3: But Mr. B, what do you think about the league's
[1:52:12] Speaker 3: new anti-taking reform? Again, Board of Governors approved it today
[1:52:15] Speaker 3: in a vote.
[1:52:17] Speaker 6: I don't see it lasting too long. I mean, like
[1:52:20] Speaker 6: Nick said, some teams are just ass. And you just
[1:52:23] Speaker 6: can't help it. But I mean, if I looked at that,
[1:52:27] Speaker 6: it said, well, from 4th to 10, you have an 8%
[1:52:28] Speaker 6: chance of being the number one pick.
[1:52:31] Speaker 1: So, I mean, just stay between there.
[1:52:33] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:52:35] Speaker 6: If this came with this new rule, if this happened,
[1:52:38] Speaker 6: I mean, the Spurs wouldn't be who they are because
[1:52:40] Speaker 6: they had three years back-to-back.
[1:52:43] Speaker 2: Three years with top five picks.
[1:52:45] Speaker 3: You've got the Jazz and Grizzlies in the situation now
[1:52:47] Speaker 3: with that Jaron Jackson Jr.
[1:52:49] Speaker 1: Trade.
[1:52:50] Speaker 6: That Grizzlies pick may be less valuable. You can't get
[1:52:54] Speaker 6: three years in a row top five. You can't get
[1:52:57] Speaker 6: back-to-back number one pick. So, I mean, we'll just see.
[1:53:00] Speaker 6: But it's going to be hard. I mean, it's going
[1:53:04] Speaker 6: to be hard to tell teams, oh, they're tanking.
[1:53:06] Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you're going to be
[1:53:07] Speaker 1: able to.
[1:53:08] Speaker 6: Really prove that if your team is just ass man
[1:53:11] Speaker 6: but i mean.
[1:53:12] Speaker 1: Just being for i would just stay between four and
[1:53:14] Speaker 1: ten that's hard to do though if you just ask.
[1:53:18] Speaker 3: Like some would say the Cavs were tanking in the
[1:53:19] Speaker 3: eastern conference finals but we know that not to be
[1:53:21] Speaker 3: the case because they'd have no interest to do that.
[1:53:23] Speaker 1: Sometimes they look like sometimes team would just.
[1:53:26] Speaker 2: Ask sometimes organization is just.
[1:53:28] Speaker 1: Yeah sometimes the team was just bad i.
[1:53:30] Speaker 6: Don't see it going that i mean so it goes
[1:53:33] Speaker 6: into what next year Like, I don't see.
[1:53:36] Speaker 2: This year going in, right? I believe about 20, 27.
[1:53:37] Speaker 5: I don't see the Wizards beating with the team they
[1:53:41] Speaker 5: had this year.
[1:53:41] Speaker 2: I don't see them being in that fourth. I mean,
[1:53:44] Speaker 2: what is it?
[1:53:45] Speaker 1: The five through eight or five through nine?
[1:53:47] Speaker 2: Four through nine?
[1:53:48] Speaker 5: I don't see them being in that spot even if
[1:53:50] Speaker 5: they tried their hardest.
[1:53:53] Speaker 2: So, what if, like, teams get it? So, say if, like,
[1:53:55] Speaker 2: the Lakers, like, knock on wood.
[1:53:57] Speaker 6: Like, say if Luka get hurt or, like, and they're
[1:53:59] Speaker 6: making a run and then next thing you know they
[1:54:01] Speaker 6: lose and now they're at the bottom.
[1:54:03] Speaker 2: Like, it's.
[1:54:04] Speaker 1: You got to get penalized for that because you lost
[1:54:06] Speaker 1: your best player?
[1:54:07] Speaker 2: No, they're saying the things that you're doing to tank.
[1:54:10] Speaker 2: You're actually losing games on purpose.
[1:54:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if you're just asked? Like Indiana. Like Indiana.
[1:54:16] Speaker 2: That's not the criteria.
[1:54:17] Speaker 1: It's like Utah was taking their players out of the
[1:54:21] Speaker 1: game and not putting them back in the game so
[1:54:25] Speaker 1: that they had a better chance of losing the game.
[1:54:27] Speaker 1: That's tanking. Like you're literally have guys healthy and you're saying–
[1:54:31] Speaker 1: We're going to bring them out of the game when
[1:54:33] Speaker 1: we're up six. And then these guys that we had
[1:54:36] Speaker 1: on the floor could help us win, but we're taking
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: them out of the game. Then you're saying, all right,
[1:54:41] Speaker 1: these four guys are now out for the season with injuries.
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: So is this a way.
[1:54:47] Speaker 2: To make guys earn their money in a sense? Because... Now,
[1:54:52] Speaker 2: because now you're going to.
[1:54:52] Speaker 1: Have media like ourselves, like ESPN, all these different outlets
[1:54:56] Speaker 1: talking about, well.
[1:54:57] Speaker 2: Shoot, why did Coach didn't put him back in with
[1:54:59] Speaker 2: six minutes to go?
[1:55:00] Speaker 1: And they could have won the game.
[1:55:01] Speaker 2: Like, is he trying to tank? Like, this is like,
[1:55:03] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? So it's just drama.
[1:55:05] Speaker 5: And why he always got to fix the NBA? Like,
[1:55:08] Speaker 5: why nobody else league got to get fixed? That's another one, too. Like,
[1:55:13] Speaker 5: why we got to fix everything?
[1:55:15] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:55:15] Speaker 5: I've never seen them say the NFL got to fix
[1:55:18] Speaker 5: some shit.
[1:55:19] Speaker 2: That's a fact.
[1:55:19] Speaker 1: Baseball got to fix some shit. It's always something from
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: all-star weekend. Well, I mean, goddammit, swagging just, I mean, shit.
[1:55:26] Speaker 2: Why?
[1:55:26] Speaker 1: Why do everybody feel like that shit has to change? No.
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: Why does shit have to change? So people don't take
[1:55:33] Speaker 1: in NFL? You said they don't. Listen. They don't take
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: in baseball? Shit don't need to change if it's going well, right?
[1:55:39] Speaker 2: So if you have something highly successful, you don't need
[1:55:41] Speaker 2: to change it.
[1:55:41] Speaker 1: You don't need to change it. If it's going good,
[1:55:45] Speaker 1: don't change.
[1:55:45] Speaker 5: If I got a number one quarterback and I know
[1:55:47] Speaker 5: he can change my franchise, you telling me they don't
[1:55:50] Speaker 5: change for that quarterback to be number one?
[1:55:52] Speaker 1: I done seen that millions of times. If I got
[1:55:53] Speaker 1: the number one show on the internet, there's no reason
[1:55:56] Speaker 1: for me to change it.
[1:55:57] Speaker 2: You're number one because you're... All right. You know, man,
[1:56:00] Speaker 2: that's crazy.
[1:56:01] Speaker 1: There's no reason for me to change.
[1:56:02] Speaker 2: NFL is perfect. Baseball is perfect. NBA is fucked up.
[1:56:06] Speaker 1: Why is it fucked up? Because we see that you're
[1:56:10] Speaker 1: trying to change some shit.
[1:56:11] Speaker 2: No, no, no. I don't change some shit.
[1:56:13] Speaker 1: Y'all got to take advantage of the change. Well, business
[1:56:17] Speaker 1: is the reason why it changes. I mean, we know that.
[1:56:20] Speaker 1: We're not stupid.
[1:56:23] Speaker 2: This is not AAU or high school.
[1:56:26] Speaker 1: You just compared it to the other sports. I don't
[1:56:30] Speaker 1: understand why I be the only one. Yeah, but you
[1:56:31] Speaker 1: just said, okay, if NBA is number one, The NBA
[1:56:36] Speaker 1: is not number one. The NFL should change their pro bowl.
[1:56:39] Speaker 1: The NFL should change their pro bowl. As far as
[1:56:43] Speaker 1: who we are, yes. As far as... No, no, no.
[1:56:47] Speaker 1: I know the NFL makes way more money than us.
[1:56:50] Speaker 2: Yes, because of.
[1:56:50] Speaker 1: Soccer is the biggest sport in the world. Soccer, football,
[1:56:55] Speaker 1: what else?
[1:56:56] Speaker 2: In the world.
[1:56:57] Speaker 1: I don't know. No, soccer is. Not out here, though.
[1:57:02] Speaker 2: Not in the States. No, but we're talking about the world.
[1:57:05] Speaker 1: We're talking about America.
[1:57:07] Speaker 2: Let's talk about America.
[1:57:09] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
[1:57:11] Speaker 2: Football is bigger. Yeah, football, I mean, they play. I know,
[1:57:15] Speaker 2: but visual. I know. No, for sure.
[1:57:17] Speaker 1: No, with that part, they can't.
[1:57:19] Speaker 2: Yes, we get that part. Visibly. Visibility. Yeah, popularity. I mean, shit.
[1:57:25] Speaker 1: Visibility. Visibly.
[1:57:27] Speaker 2: I mean, would you say we make more money then?
[1:57:29] Speaker 1: Guaranteed contract. Baseball is the most money.
[1:57:32] Speaker 2: You're right.
[1:57:33] Speaker 1: It takes a long time to get that bread, though. Yeah,
[1:57:35] Speaker 1: because the minor leagues and all the stuff. They will
[1:57:37] Speaker 1: jam you up for a foot. They will give you $ 450.
[1:57:41] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Baseball, no, listen.
[1:57:43] Speaker 1: You'll be sitting on $ 500 million and getting paid to
[1:57:45] Speaker 1: your 60. No, but that don't mean you make more.
[1:57:49] Speaker 1: With the Dodgers, Kyle Tucker just signed for $ 275.
[1:57:53] Speaker 2: I think. We are more marketable. But how long, though?
[1:57:55] Speaker 1: How many years, though? Four years.
[1:57:59] Speaker 2: Four years.
[1:58:00] Speaker 1: 275, four years?
[1:58:01] Speaker 2: Four years, 240.
[1:58:02] Speaker 5: 240.
[1:58:02] Speaker 1: For how many years? He's the highest paid on the Dodgers.
[1:58:07] Speaker 1: I already know Tani.
[1:58:09] Speaker 2: How much... He deferred his bread. Good man.
[1:58:12] Speaker 1: I thought Tani signed for almost a billion dollars.
[1:58:16] Speaker 2: 700, but he deferred it. Oh, yeah, he passed on that.
[1:58:19] Speaker 2: To help the Dodgers go back to back. Shut the
[1:58:22] Speaker 2: fuck up. He didn't pass on a billion dollars. He's
[1:58:25] Speaker 2: going to get his bread eventually.
[1:58:26] Speaker 1: Yeah. But I do agree with Skaggy. Why do we
[1:58:31] Speaker 1: always have to change? Why are we always the biggest thing? Oh, man,
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: we got to stop 18-year-olds from coming through the league.
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: They haven't had the year. We got to do this.
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: We got to have this. It's always some change. The
[1:58:44] Speaker 1: players change when you talk about that rule. Are they
[1:58:47] Speaker 1: mad because the players have more control in the NBA? No, no, no,
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: because the player talent that they just kept letting come
[1:58:53] Speaker 1: into the league wasn't like Dwight. Man, let's be real.
[1:58:57] Speaker 2: Let's be real.
[1:58:59] Speaker 1: Is the world mad because we got more control?
[1:59:01] Speaker 2: Huh? Because, man, come on, man, let's be real, bro.
[1:59:05] Speaker 2: What about it? That's what it is. All-star weekend. Yes,
[1:59:08] Speaker 2: it is. Pro Bowl ain't been shit.
[1:59:10] Speaker 1: Nobody be like, man, I can't wait to go to
[1:59:12] Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl all-star weekend for the NFL.
[1:59:14] Speaker 6: If we go to other sports, if we go to
[1:59:16] Speaker 6: other sports, right?
[1:59:17] Speaker 2: Okay, who are the best players in their sports? Which
[1:59:20] Speaker 2: sports you talking about?
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: Football, hockey, baseball.
[1:59:24] Speaker 2: Like, you know? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like,
[1:59:28] Speaker 2: what demographic? Like, you know, who are the best players
[1:59:31] Speaker 2: from their sports? Like, why do we?
[1:59:32] Speaker 1: Like, that's the real question, though. Patrick Holmes? I mean,
[1:59:36] Speaker 1: like Shea Holtani pitching and hitting home runs at the
[1:59:39] Speaker 1: same time in the same game. Like, that's entertaining. They're entertainment.
[1:59:44] Speaker 1: I know, but what is the NBA... Patrick Mahomes just won, what,
[1:59:47] Speaker 1: three championships in five years? I know, but what I'm
[1:59:50] Speaker 1: saying is that the NBA... I feel like Swiggy just
[1:59:51] Speaker 1: said something crazy. Why do we have to change? Like,
[1:59:54] Speaker 1: why is it that we have to change?
[1:59:56] Speaker 2: You don't have to change. You are.
[1:59:57] Speaker 1: We're forced to change. No, you're not forced to change. Steven,
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: they said if they don't change the All-Star Games, I'm
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: going to.
[2:00:03] Speaker 2: What the.
[2:00:03] Speaker 6: He going to cancel some shit. Like, everything got to
[2:00:06] Speaker 6: be changed. Is it because the demographic is black?
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: I'll answer it.
[2:00:09] Speaker 2: Let me answer it. I'm asking.
[2:00:10] Speaker 1: Is it because the black... Disney World.
[2:00:12] Speaker 2: I'm asking.
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: Disney World. You go to Disney World, right? And you
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: want to complain about standing in line at the tram.
[2:00:19] Speaker 1: You want to complain about.
[2:00:20] Speaker 2: The service, right?
[2:00:21] Speaker 1: If you go to the service desk and complain, do
[2:00:25] Speaker 1: you think they're going to change some shit for you? No.
[2:00:29] Speaker 1: You know why? Because we got a million people lined
[2:00:33] Speaker 1: up to come to Disney World every day. We're not
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: about to change the rules because you don't like them.
[2:00:39] Speaker 2: You don't think the NBA don't have that thing?
[2:00:42] Speaker 1: Yes, they do. But they have a choice to whether
[2:00:45] Speaker 1: to allow us to accept the rules or change it.
[2:00:48] Speaker 1: You're skipping over the thing.
[2:00:51] Speaker 2: Like, I'm asking you a question. No, no, no.
[2:00:53] Speaker 1: No, because I'm trying to ask you a real question.
[2:00:55] Speaker 6: Why the NBA have to change?
[2:00:58] Speaker 1: And you're tap dancing about it.
[2:01:00] Speaker 2: Welcome to the WB. let me try let me let
[2:01:02] Speaker 2: me use another.
[2:01:03] Speaker 1: Let me dumb it down i know you're right see
[2:01:05] Speaker 1: that's what this is Hmm. Sellout brothers. And I talk
[2:01:18] Speaker 1: about that y'all understand.
[2:01:19] Speaker 2: No, it's not even about that. I'm just saying. Roscoe's
[2:01:22] Speaker 2: chicken and waffles. That is crazy.
[2:01:25] Speaker 1: You want to go to Roscoe's and you want to
[2:01:29] Speaker 1: tell them to change the chicken and waffles to chitlins.
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: Because I want chitlins when I come to Roscoe's.
[2:01:36] Speaker 2: So why are they telling us to change them?
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: Because I want chitlins when I come here. And you
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: don't got it on the menu.
[2:01:42] Speaker 5: They don't want chitlins when they go nowhere else?
[2:01:44] Speaker 2: I want it when I come here. I'm only here.
[2:01:48] Speaker 1: So you can decide to change your menu or not.
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: Or tell me to go somewhere else.
[2:01:53] Speaker 6: Why are we the only sports that have the most change, though?
[2:01:56] Speaker 1: Because they're deciding to change. No, you're not asking.
[2:01:59] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[2:01:59] Speaker 1: You know why. You know why.
[2:02:00] Speaker 2: Come on. What is it?
[2:02:01] Speaker 1: You tell me why then. I know why. Then you
[2:02:03] Speaker 1: tell me. Look at your color. Look. You know why.
[2:02:05] Speaker 1: My color? Yeah. Because we dominate the league. That's why.
[2:02:09] Speaker 6: We're trying to figure out why do we have so much.
[2:02:12] Speaker 1: Why does everything have to change? There's nothing else changing
[2:02:15] Speaker 1: in any other sport but the NBA.
[2:02:17] Speaker 2: They don't have black people in football? Who are the
[2:02:20] Speaker 2: best players in football? That's what I'm talking about. It's 141.
[2:02:25] Speaker 2: I got to go check the kids out. All right.
[2:02:26] Speaker 1: Well, let's wrap up today. Let's wrap up today with
[2:02:30] Speaker 1: our playoff picks. I thought that Patrick Holmes was half black,
[2:02:33] Speaker 1: half white. Playoff picks.
[2:02:37] Speaker 2: I'm super hot fire. I'm amazing. I'm black. I'm confused.
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: I'm confused. Let's wrap up.
[2:02:44] Speaker 3: Today with our playoff picks powered by Underdog Expedition Markets.
[2:02:47] Speaker 3: Let's take a look at the updated standings.
[2:02:49] Speaker 2: These niggas throw on some tap dance. Y'all niggas tried,
[2:02:53] Speaker 2: but you failed again.
[2:02:59] Speaker 1: Hey, good try. Good try. Nephew the dog. Everybody with
[2:03:04] Speaker 1: the winning record. Green and Stimpy. Y'all niggas tried, didn't you?
[2:03:07] Speaker 1: On our guild arena. Playoff leaderboard. They don't even play
[2:03:14] Speaker 1: that shit on Nickelodeon no more. Y'all niggas got to
[2:03:17] Speaker 1: do better.
[2:03:17] Speaker 3: Swaggy, I'm just trying to acknowledge our Dills Arena playoff leaderboard.
[2:03:23] Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
[2:03:26] Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
[2:03:26] Speaker 3: Second place currently, Mr. B, third. Swaggy, you're in fourth place,
[2:03:30] Speaker 3: winning record, though. And the only player with a half point.
[2:03:33] Speaker 2: That's crazy. Seven and six.
[2:03:37] Speaker 1: I might have to go with OKC tonight.
[2:03:38] Speaker 3: Thunder with a chance to put away the Spurs in
[2:03:40] Speaker 3: game tonight in San Antonio.
[2:03:42] Speaker 1: Odds? In the favor of a game.
[2:03:44] Speaker 2: Seven, though.
[2:03:45] Speaker 1: I wore this jersey because it might be the last time.
[2:03:47] Speaker 1: It might be the last time I wear it. It
[2:03:52] Speaker 1: might be the last time I see these niggas, man.
[2:03:55] Speaker 3: Women in the Spurs with a 60% chance to win
[2:03:57] Speaker 3: on their home floor tonight. SG and the Thunder, 41%
[2:03:58] Speaker 3: chance to close out the series. Shout out, we're going
[2:04:02] Speaker 3: to start with you. When we see a game seven
[2:04:04] Speaker 3: in the Western Conference Finals.
[2:04:05] Speaker 2: Came spurred up.
[2:04:07] Speaker 1: Shout out to Kyrie Irving, man. Got his new shoes
[2:04:11] Speaker 1: on and shit. I'm going to go Spurs. I'm going
[2:04:15] Speaker 1: to stick with my guns. I mean, it seems like
[2:04:17] Speaker 1: that would be the direction you would go. It would
[2:04:18] Speaker 1: be disappointing not to.
[2:04:19] Speaker 2: Swag it.
[2:04:21] Speaker 1: We're about to see Wimby shake hand at the six-minute
[2:04:25] Speaker 1: mark today.
[2:04:25] Speaker 2: The six-minute. We'll give him two additional minutes.
[2:04:28] Speaker 1: It's going six with OKC. Au revoir. It's what you're
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: telling to Wimby and the Spurs. Mr. B.
[2:04:36] Speaker 2: You a hater.
[2:04:37] Speaker 1: How?
[2:04:37] Speaker 2: Deja vu. 60% chance for the Spurs. Just say it.
[2:04:40] Speaker 1: Deja vu. Under 41%. It doesn't have to equal.
[2:04:42] Speaker 2: I'm going to go Spurs tonight.
[2:04:43] Speaker 1: You trying to get a win? You supposed to stay
[2:04:45] Speaker 1: on underdog? No, this is all about wins. I don't care.
[2:04:48] Speaker 1: I'm not with none of y'all. I thought about that.
[2:04:50] Speaker 1: I was like, I'm trying to win. I'm trying to win.
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care no more. I don't care.
[2:05:08] Speaker 1: The Spurs got a 60% chance. That's what I'm talking about.
[2:05:14] Speaker 1: If I win, that means I get doubled. You need double?
[2:05:18] Speaker 3: As you know, I just do higher.
[2:05:20] Speaker 2: You're being desperate right now.
[2:05:21] Speaker 1: I need the half.
[2:05:22] Speaker 5: 60 to 40.
[2:05:25] Speaker 1: 60-40.
[2:05:25] Speaker 2: You got to do two and a half so you
[2:05:26] Speaker 2: can get to even. You can even it up. 60-40. King,
[2:05:30] Speaker 2: you're going to go with motherfucking OKC for sure.
[2:05:34] Speaker 5: I think it's over in six for sure. I thought
[2:05:37] Speaker 5: the Wolves had a chance in there.
[2:05:39] Speaker 1: You was wrong.
[2:05:40] Speaker 2: You owe me that bet because you bet them winning,
[2:05:42] Speaker 2: but we ain't going to talk about that. I did.
[2:05:46] Speaker 3: Well, appreciate everybody in the chat for showing up, showing
[2:05:50] Speaker 3: out as always. Appreciate everybody on this couch. Appreciate you
[2:05:53] Speaker 3: to our amazing staff as well for all the hard
[2:05:54] Speaker 3: work they do every single day. This has been another
[2:05:57] Speaker 3: episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:06:00] Speaker 1: We will see you next week.

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