# Luka Doncic CRUSHING Wemby FIRES UP Gil's Arena

An episode of [Gil's Arena](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1689097415), 6 Nov 2025, 2 h 20 min.

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Luka Doncic CRUSHING Victor Wembanyama & The San Antonio Spurs FIRES UP Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to another masterpiece from Slovenian Jesus as Luka powered the Los Angeles Lakers to their 5th straight win over Wemby & the Spurs and break down Luka's incredible start to his first full season in purple & gold. They also analyze another stout game for Deandre Ayton as he is proving to be one of the most impactful free agent signings of the NBA season and discuss how JJ Redick will implement LeBron James into this red hot Laker lineup as the King has finally been cleared to play after recoving from sciatica, before reacting to Victor Wembanyama struggles after his unworldly start to the season, sparking a debate on if the NBA has figured out how to stop the Alien. Next, they react to the Dallas Mavericks falling all the way to the bottom of the Western Conference and continue their debate over Cooper Flagg running point in his first NBA Season before breaking down Jaylen Brown's comments on NBA officiating while leaving another skid mark as his hairline continues to fail him. Finally, they react to Russell Westbrook making history as the greatest statistical point guard in NBA History and discuss his comments on the Denver Nuggets choosing to let him walk in free agency before breaking down Kevin Durant's hostile back and forth with Draymond Green debating if offense or defense wins championships in the NFL. PLEASE give us a Like and Subscribe!! Today's Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants, Swaggy P & Brandon Jennings Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $100 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount SUBSCRIBE: / @thearena0 Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! / discord Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:00 Luka & The Lakers CRUSH The Spurs 0:07:22 Luka Better Than Shai? 0:32:30 The NBA Has Figured Out How To Stop Wemby 0:45:38 Cooper Flagg & Mavs PLUMMET In The Standings 1:29:51 Jaylen Brown Calls Out The NBA Refs 1:46:01 Jaylen Leaves Another Skid Mark 2:02:15 Russell Westbrook Is The Best Statistical PG Ever 2:04:54 MostlyFans 2:16:13 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[0:06] Speaker 2: How everybody feeling today?
[0:07] Speaker 3: Good.
[0:08] Speaker 4: A glorious evening of NBA basketball last night, the Los
[0:11] Speaker 4: Angeles Lakers. Second in the Western Conference.
[0:14] Speaker 3: God is good. God is good.
[0:18] Speaker 4: What a beautiful time to be alive. But I'm merely
[0:20] Speaker 4: a host, Josiah Johnson. And as always, we got the
[0:23] Speaker 4: NBA and NBA 2K legend Gil Arenas here with us. Hey, hey, listen, listen.
[0:30] Speaker 4: Just say 2K legend. You have abandoned your NBA legend? Yeah,
[0:32] Speaker 4: nobody give a fuck about nothing.
[0:34] Speaker 5: OK.
[0:35] Speaker 3: 2K legend.
[0:35] Speaker 2: They just care about?
[0:37] Speaker 4: And on this side of the couch, we have the
[0:39] Speaker 4: man they call Corporate Cemetery Larry, NCAA champion of the world,
[0:42] Speaker 4: Rashad McCants. I see you paying respect to Slovenian Jesus
[0:48] Speaker 4: with the authenticated.
[0:49] Speaker 3: This is a good time to be alive. Hey.
[0:55] Speaker 2: Hopefully the couch can unify.
[0:56] Speaker 3: Hey.
[0:58] Speaker 4: And next to shine, representing tough crowd, we have recent
[1:02] Speaker 4: golf club member, Mr.
[1:04] Speaker 2: Big Brandon Jennings.
[1:06] Speaker 4: Officially a golf club member, and Swaggy is supposed to
[1:11] Speaker 4: be here right now, but oh wait, here he comes
[1:13] Speaker 4: right now. Swaggy has entered the arena.
[1:16] Speaker 3: What? Told you to leave them hoes alone. You too old.
[1:28] Speaker 3: I ain't supposed to be living like this.
[1:31] Speaker 4: You got kicked out the house?
[1:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, I left my phone.
[1:38] Speaker 2: Tried to go back and get it back, huh?
[1:39] Speaker 3: It was too late. Clothes were already at the door.
[1:42] Speaker 3: So I just picked what I could up.
[1:45] Speaker 2: Did you manage to grab a pair of socks?
[1:47] Speaker 6: I don't know if they clean or not, but They
[1:51] Speaker 6: was outside.
[1:52] Speaker 3: Put some shits on.
[1:53] Speaker 2: How I'm feeling?
[1:55] Speaker 3: I don't know. Anything over them things. Put something over them.
[1:58] Speaker 3: The chat has requested that you cover those puppies. Okay.
[2:03] Speaker 3: With some socks. But I thought you was doing better, man.
[2:06] Speaker 3: I was. But, you know, Christmas coming up. They going
[2:08] Speaker 3: to want something.
[2:09] Speaker 2: The side chick or the main chick?
[2:11] Speaker 3: Stop. I'm not trying to get emotional.
[2:13] Speaker 1: Stop.
[2:14] Speaker 3: Please.
[2:14] Speaker 2: Wait.
[2:16] Speaker 1: Oh, usually when you got kicked out is because she
[2:18] Speaker 1: got your phone and you got caught again and again
[2:20] Speaker 1: and again. This is just regular? I'm saying again and
[2:22] Speaker 1: again and again. This is just regular? You just regular
[2:25] Speaker 1: messed up? Yeah, just be messing up. I don't want
[2:29] Speaker 1: to tell you my business because you're going to tell
[2:31] Speaker 1: the world. Gil is wearing a wire right now. You
[2:34] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? If it's not about women, why
[2:38] Speaker 1: do you care what she thinks?
[2:39] Speaker 3: You the man. You the NBA player. All domestic? I'm
[2:44] Speaker 3: a homeless man.
[2:45] Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying is all the other stuff, house cleaning,
[2:47] Speaker 1: the kids and all that, that's.
[2:49] Speaker 3: Watch out.
[2:50] Speaker 1: Only argue with me about women. Other than that, I'm
[2:53] Speaker 1: not trying to listen to what you got going on, lady.
[2:55] Speaker 3: See? You're going to be right here with me next.
[2:57] Speaker 3: I thought I was going to be here with you.
[3:00] Speaker 2: I thought you were going.
[3:01] Speaker 3: To be at the... We're going to be at the...
[3:02] Speaker 3: There is a courtyard... Not like we have done that before.
[3:06] Speaker 4: But last but not least, we got NBA champion of
[3:08] Speaker 4: the world, Swaggy Pete, Nick Young.
[3:11] Speaker 3: Homeless.
[3:12] Speaker 4: If you have... An available room for Swaggy at your residence.
[3:16] Speaker 4: He would love to come pull up on you. For
[3:19] Speaker 4: the short or long term, depending on how his situation.
[3:21] Speaker 2: I got an extra room now. You know I'll be
[3:24] Speaker 2: over there now.
[3:25] Speaker 3: It's snowing. It's cold.
[3:27] Speaker 2: It's cold where I'm at.
[3:28] Speaker 3: You're going to get him in trouble. It's cold. It's cold.
[3:32] Speaker 3: You got to pay to hide, though. You can hide.
[3:34] Speaker 3: I can hide.
[3:35] Speaker 7: You can hide, yeah. You got to wear your sweater, though.
[3:38] Speaker 7: You got to wear your sweater.
[3:40] Speaker 6: What about you, BJ? You seen the Mo Khan one.
[3:42] Speaker 6: Can I come to your house? These two, one snow,
[3:46] Speaker 6: one wanna, he wanna get kicked out with me.
[3:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, come. I mean, we can play golf every morning.
[3:52] Speaker 3: What about you, Josiah?
[3:53] Speaker 6: I need to start walking in the morning with you.
[3:55] Speaker 3: Get my mind together.
[3:57] Speaker 2: It's a ginger trot. It's a ginger trot.
[3:59] Speaker 3: Ginger trot.
[4:00] Speaker 4: We do a ginger trot around the neighborhood, check on
[4:02] Speaker 4: our local community, make sure everything is safe and sound.
[4:05] Speaker 4: But if you have a place for Swaggy to stay,
[4:07] Speaker 4: please comment in the chat with your $ 100 username. Josiah Trotter.
[4:14] Speaker 4: We got a lot to get into. Here's what's cracking
[4:16] Speaker 4: in Gil's arena today. Luka came through with another big
[4:21] Speaker 4: scoring night as the Lakers slowed down Wimby and the
[4:23] Speaker 4: Spurs to get their fifth straight win. Is the league
[4:27] Speaker 4: figuring out how to stop the alien? Cooper Flagg came
[4:31] Speaker 4: through with another 20-point game, but the Mavs dropped to
[4:33] Speaker 4: the bottom of the Western Conference.
[4:35] Speaker 2: Is Dallas cooked?
[4:37] Speaker 4: And Russell Westbrook made history by becoming the best rebounding
[4:41] Speaker 4: guard ever. Does Russ belong in the GOAT-PG debate? We
[4:46] Speaker 4: will discuss, but before we get into all that, as always,
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[5:16] Speaker 2: So we're going to get right to it. The Lakers
[5:19] Speaker 2: and Spurs met in L.A.
[5:20] Speaker 4: Wednesday night for the first time this season with San
[5:22] Speaker 4: Antonio looking to bounce back from their first loss at
[5:24] Speaker 4: the Suns after their franchise record 5-0 start. Lakers were
[5:28] Speaker 4: riding a four-game winning streak. and had Luka back in
[5:31] Speaker 4: the lineup after missing Monday's win over the Blazers with
[5:34] Speaker 4: injury management. Austin Reeves, however, was out for his second
[5:37] Speaker 4: straight game while dealing with a groin injury. So Luka
[5:40] Speaker 4: entered as the only player in NBA history to average
[5:42] Speaker 4: 40-plus points, 10-plus rebounds, and 5-plus assists in his first
[5:46] Speaker 4: four games to start a season. And before the game,
[5:48] Speaker 4: Wimby had high praise for the man they know as
[5:50] Speaker 4: Slovenian Jesus.
[5:52] Speaker 3: Luka is one of.
[5:53] Speaker 8: The hardest players to scout because he understands and masters the.
[5:57] Speaker 2: Game more than almost everybody else.
[6:00] Speaker 8: So it's always a good challenge.
[6:03] Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever won against him.
[6:05] Speaker 4: One of the hardest players to scout because he has
[6:07] Speaker 4: mastered the game. Wimby is correct. He's 0-4 against Luka
[6:10] Speaker 4: in his NBA career. And Luka and the Lakers say,
[6:13] Speaker 4: here go one more L for you, big fella. Let's
[6:15] Speaker 4: take a look at the highlights. So, Wimby was in
[6:19] Speaker 4: foul trouble throughout the game, and the Lakers' defense was suffocating.
[6:23] Speaker 4: His alien was limited to 19 points on 5 of
[6:25] Speaker 4: 14 shooting. He did go 9 for 11 from the
[6:27] Speaker 4: line with 8 rebounds and a block. Luka had an
[6:30] Speaker 4: off-shooting night, but still stuffed the stat sheet. 35 points,
[6:33] Speaker 4: 13 assists, 9 rebounds, 5 steals, and 2 blocks.
[6:38] Speaker 3: Ooh.
[6:38] Speaker 2: No, Bronny, no. He should have knew better. I don't
[6:41] Speaker 2: know why he got in the way right there. Unfortunate.
[6:45] Speaker 2: That's LeBron James, son.
[6:46] Speaker 3: There you go. Keep it high.
[6:47] Speaker 4: But Luka, 9 for 27 from the field. Knocked down
[6:51] Speaker 4: 13 of his 17 free throw attempts. DeAndre Aydin came
[6:53] Speaker 4: through with another big game as well. Added 22 points
[6:57] Speaker 4: and 10 rebounds. And Marcus Smart got another start. Had 17, 5,
[7:01] Speaker 4: and 5. So the Spurs had seven players scoring double figures,
[7:05] Speaker 4: including Stephon Castle, 16 points and 8 dimes. and Jeremy Sohan,
[7:09] Speaker 4: 16 off the bench in his first game of the season.
[7:14] Speaker 4: But it was these Lakers, ladies and gentlemen. They were
[7:17] Speaker 4: trailing in the fourth quarter. Went on a little run,
[7:21] Speaker 4: started doing what they do. God bless the supporting cast
[7:24] Speaker 4: as well. You see it, that's Luka magic right here.
[7:29] Speaker 4: So like I mentioned, Wimby was in foul trouble most
[7:32] Speaker 4: of the game. He picked up his sixth foul with
[7:34] Speaker 4: a minute 39 remaining in the game, fouling off for
[7:36] Speaker 4: just the third time in his career. second time this
[7:39] Speaker 4: season while the Lakers ended the game on a 21-10 run.
[7:45] Speaker 3: Oh, you see it.
[7:49] Speaker 4: One of his few buckets in the game. We're keeping
[7:52] Speaker 4: it to be, but Luka came up big as always.
[7:56] Speaker 4: So like I mentioned, Wimby fouled out on this play
[7:58] Speaker 4: right here. Found out Rui stepping up, taking the charge.
[8:02] Speaker 4: So after Marcus Smart was Wilson for an inbounds violation
[8:07] Speaker 4: with a 1.2 seconds remaining. Spurs got the ball back.
[8:12] Speaker 4: Jake from Allstate fouled Julian Champagny, sent him to the
[8:14] Speaker 4: line for two free throws. He missed the first, intentionally
[8:16] Speaker 4: missed the second. The Lakers held on to get the win.
[8:21] Speaker 4: God is good.
[8:23] Speaker 3: All the time.
[8:24] Speaker 4: Luka now has 200 points in his first five games
[8:26] Speaker 4: this season. Tied for third most all-time behind Will Chamberlain.
[8:30] Speaker 2: Who scored most.
[8:31] Speaker 3: First in....
[8:34] Speaker 2: David Stern's NBA. In the modern version?
[8:37] Speaker 3: So when everybody came together.
[8:39] Speaker 2: Okay.
[8:39] Speaker 3: So he's won. Okay. But in the Collective National Basketball Association.
[8:43] Speaker 1: First of all, he's the second human because obviously Wilt
[8:47] Speaker 1: is up there twice.
[8:47] Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So, you know, put some
[8:49] Speaker 3: respect on it. There was no disrespect on those guys?
[8:54] Speaker 3: 40 in the first four games?
[8:55] Speaker 1: Just 200 points in the first, how many games?
[8:58] Speaker 2: First five, you know, just a light 40 points game.
[8:59] Speaker 2: Just a little light. Just a light one.
[9:01] Speaker 3: A little easy.
[9:02] Speaker 2: Not terribly complicated.
[9:03] Speaker 4: But with the win, the Lakers moved in second place
[9:05] Speaker 4: in the Western Conference in just a game behind the
[9:08] Speaker 4: defending champion Thunder, who blew a 22-point lead in a
[9:11] Speaker 4: loss to the Blazers in Portland. The Purple and Gold
[9:13] Speaker 4: 7-2 start is the best since the 2019-20 season when
[9:17] Speaker 4: they went on to win the hardest chip in NBA history.
[9:21] Speaker 2: So, gentlemen, question for you all. I know you all
[9:22] Speaker 2: watched the game.
[9:23] Speaker 4: What are the biggest takeaways from the Lakers' win over
[9:26] Speaker 4: the Spurs?
[9:30] Speaker 9: I think I said it yesterday, just their willingness to
[9:32] Speaker 9: win and their chemistry. I mean, even when LeBron was
[9:36] Speaker 9: out and Luka was out, Austin Reeves stepped up and
[9:39] Speaker 9: other players stepped up for them.
[9:41] Speaker 3: So whatever JJ's over there.
[9:43] Speaker 9: Doing and whatever that chemistry is, just keep it going
[9:47] Speaker 9: because it's working. And then when Luka comes back, he's
[9:50] Speaker 9: never missing a step. So, yeah, man, it's going to
[9:53] Speaker 9: be exciting times in L.A.
[9:54] Speaker 3: This year again.
[9:55] Speaker 2: Honestly, I get a little emotional thinking about it. Two champions?
[10:00] Speaker 3: Oh, man.
[10:02] Speaker 4: Dodgers already got the first one. But, Swag, what do
[10:03] Speaker 4: you think about the Lakers so far this season getting
[10:05] Speaker 4: their fifth straight win?
[10:07] Speaker 3: Oh, man, the chemistry, for sure.
[10:09] Speaker 6: I kind of feel bad for Pops, man, and Brian
[10:13] Speaker 6: right now, you know, having to come in and while
[10:16] Speaker 6: they're winning, got to figure it out. Because them guys
[10:21] Speaker 6: is yelling. They looking good, having fun. Aiden's top five
[10:26] Speaker 6: center in the league right now. That's not Santa Claus.
[10:30] Speaker 6: Not too many centers like that, but he's top five
[10:32] Speaker 6: for sure.
[10:33] Speaker 3: Love the bat over here. Picking and rolling.
[10:34] Speaker 6: You see how he can bring the ball down. Going
[10:37] Speaker 6: straight up. You know, he's picking and popping, not picking
[10:42] Speaker 6: without the pop.
[10:44] Speaker 3: What did I say last time? That's what I said, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Balling. Yeah, yeah. Lucas.
[10:51] Speaker 3: Pop without the pick. Yeah, pop without the pick. Yeah,
[10:53] Speaker 3: pop without the pick.
[10:53] Speaker 1: Or just blame it on your homelessness. Come on in here.
[10:57] Speaker 2: No, I know.
[10:58] Speaker 3: It's the only good thing that's going on for me.
[11:00] Speaker 2: The Lakers are bringing joy to your life.
[11:04] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[11:06] Speaker 6: We keep winning.
[11:06] Speaker 3: We have a parade.
[11:09] Speaker 6: It won't feel like I'm homeless because I'll be out
[11:11] Speaker 6: there at the parade, you know, just having fun.
[11:14] Speaker 3: You know, bring a champ back to L.A.
[11:17] Speaker 4: God is good. Let's move over to this side of
[11:18] Speaker 4: the couch. Biggest takeaway. from the Lakers win over the Spurs.
[11:22] Speaker 4: I see you rocking the Luka Doncic jersey. Is that
[11:25] Speaker 4: what this is?
[11:26] Speaker 3: It is.
[11:26] Speaker 2: It looks so nice.
[11:27] Speaker 3: Does it look nice? Had to point it out twice.
[11:30] Speaker 3: Don't say Lakers on it, though.
[11:32] Speaker 7: It's Real. This is back when he was slim, slow.
[11:36] Speaker 7: I don't know, man. You know, the Lakers, they always
[11:41] Speaker 7: start off hot.
[11:43] Speaker 3: And they end up cold. I mean, we've seen some
[11:46] Speaker 3: struggles to start seasons in recent years.
[11:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[11:49] Speaker 4: Games like this being tricked off in recent times. Almost
[11:53] Speaker 4: tricked off last night and we keeping it above.
[11:56] Speaker 3: No, they play hard in the early stages.
[11:58] Speaker 7: I think, you know, Luka's slim now, but he's just
[12:02] Speaker 7: looking like he's just going to blow up.
[12:05] Speaker 3: He's moving like the calories are going up. Each move,
[12:10] Speaker 3: they're going up.
[12:11] Speaker 1: I'm watching the calories go up as he go down the–
[12:15] Speaker 1: Complaining to the reps to slow down the burn.
[12:18] Speaker 7: I get it. You complain every damn, damn, damn, damn,
[12:21] Speaker 7: time down. I'm like, goddamn, Luka, you get fouled every time?
[12:25] Speaker 7: But his guys are showing up. Marcus Smart's showing up.
[12:28] Speaker 7: Rui's showing up. Aiden's showing up. Everybody's showing up.
[12:33] Speaker 3: You know?
[12:33] Speaker 7: Gabe praised to Bronny yesterday. Showing up.
[12:36] Speaker 3: I think Bronny want to be on the golf course,
[12:38] Speaker 3: to be honest.
[12:39] Speaker 4: You think Bronny wants to be on the golf course?
[12:40] Speaker 4: He's a better golfer than he is. You know what
[12:42] Speaker 4: I'm saying? He be golfing.
[12:45] Speaker 7: You hear Boy Beat Golf, you got Boy Boy Golf
[12:47] Speaker 7: Swing looking nice. And, you know, father, son, they can
[12:51] Speaker 7: go on and do the Tiger Woods and Charlie shit.
[12:53] Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? You seen the clip, right?
[12:59] Speaker 7: I know y'all seen Brownie Swing, and the Red Boy
[13:01] Speaker 7: Swing look nice.
[13:03] Speaker 3: Look a little bit better than that jumper. You said
[13:05] Speaker 3: the calories are going up?
[13:06] Speaker 2: Calories going up.
[13:07] Speaker 3: Like with him getting bigger? Yeah, you gonna see it?
[13:10] Speaker 3: I see 40. 12, 10.
[13:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's always good for the start. We see five
[13:18] Speaker 4: games so far this season.
[13:19] Speaker 7: Right now, he's going to start stressing out. And they
[13:21] Speaker 7: played a good game plan. At the end of the day,
[13:24] Speaker 7: the game plan worked. The game plan worked. He might
[13:27] Speaker 7: be the first person to average 40. Well, I don't
[13:29] Speaker 7: remember the whip days.
[13:30] Speaker 4: In the modern NBA, David Stern, now Adam Silver.
[13:34] Speaker 3: 39 to 40, easily. I just like the way he plays,
[13:36] Speaker 3: his pace. Reminds me of Bird.
[13:39] Speaker 6: You can't speed him up. You can't change his game, man.
[13:41] Speaker 3: Reminds me of Bird, man. I play at my pace. 40.
[13:47] Speaker 4: Luka right now averaging 40 points per game, 11 rebounds,
[13:50] Speaker 4: 9 assists. The first five games, it looks like he's
[13:55] Speaker 4: playing at the Drew League, but in the NBA.
[13:56] Speaker 3: Yes. Oh, it is the Drew League. The NBA is
[13:58] Speaker 3: the Drew League, too. Seriously.
[14:01] Speaker 6: But the assists come because they're making shots, too, though.
[14:04] Speaker 3: Rory, Aiden, come on. Have we seen Luka do this before? Nah.
[14:10] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[14:11] Speaker 3: First time. What, average 40?
[14:12] Speaker 5: With the 40, 10, and 5. Just the regular Luka stuff.
[14:17] Speaker 5: Just regular Luka. He's being regular Luka. Just the first time, right?
[14:21] Speaker 2: The first player to average 40, 10, and 5. I mean,
[14:24] Speaker 2: but the fact that.
[14:25] Speaker 9: He's, like, consistent with it, though. I mean, okay, yeah,
[14:28] Speaker 9: we've seen it, but you're just still doing it?
[14:30] Speaker 3: Yeah. 40, 12, and 9? Like, who's doing it?
[14:33] Speaker 6: We've seen Russell Westbrook do it.
[14:36] Speaker 9: We've seen Russell Westbrook average 40, 12, and 9.
[14:39] Speaker 2: I mean, 30.
[14:41] Speaker 3: 10 and 10. Not 40. Not 40, 12 and 10.
[14:44] Speaker 2: Look at doing it in Los Angeles.
[14:45] Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[14:46] Speaker 6: I've seen somebody do it one game a quarter, but
[14:49] Speaker 6: this is every game he plays.
[14:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, like every time he steps on the court, it's 40.
[14:52] Speaker 3: Every time he steps on the court, it's 40. We
[14:54] Speaker 3: don't see that. You don't see that?
[14:57] Speaker 2: Yo, I see you over here pondering.
[14:58] Speaker 6: Man, I ain't seen that since... Another person in the
[15:01] Speaker 6: Lakers jersey.
[15:01] Speaker 3: Or a Chicago Bulls.
[15:02] Speaker 9: I think James Harden averaged 40 in a month, maybe,
[15:05] Speaker 9: or something like that.
[15:06] Speaker 3: But 40? First five games of the season? Luke appeared
[15:11] Speaker 3: in five of the Lakers. He's not going to go crazy.
[15:14] Speaker 3: All right, okay.
[15:17] Speaker 7: When we started hot, and then they had to figure
[15:19] Speaker 7: out what to do with that little thing.
[15:21] Speaker 3: They had to figure it out.
[15:22] Speaker 7: Hey, we got a game plan against him. It's hard
[15:26] Speaker 7: to game plan against Luka.
[15:28] Speaker 9: Yeah, but when has anybody ever game planned for Luka
[15:30] Speaker 9: and stopped Luka?
[15:32] Speaker 3: Like, when has anybody since Luka walked in? You said Boston? Yeah.
[15:37] Speaker 1: So, Gil, I can't help but notice you and me pondering.
[15:39] Speaker 1: You have the phone out. Boston when it counted. You
[15:42] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?
[15:43] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
[15:43] Speaker 7: Like, right now it's cool, but... Hey, Dallas, let's string
[15:47] Speaker 7: this thing out. Let's get them calories back up. You
[15:50] Speaker 7: know what I'm saying? Let's watch this defense dwindle a
[15:53] Speaker 7: little bit, put some pressure on it.
[15:54] Speaker 2: That's what's going to happen.
[15:57] Speaker 4: Lakers currently 7-2, a game behind the Thunder for the
[16:02] Speaker 4: top spot.
[16:03] Speaker 9: So nine games in, he's averaging. So 10 games in,
[16:07] Speaker 9: he's averaging 40.
[16:08] Speaker 4: Played in five of those games. With the fingers sprained
[16:11] Speaker 4: and lower. He took the week off. He took a
[16:16] Speaker 4: week off.
[16:16] Speaker 3: Injury management.
[16:17] Speaker 7: He took a week off. To manage injuries. That makes
[16:21] Speaker 7: a lot. Now I'm taking a week off.
[16:24] Speaker 6: But if he keep that up, he could average 40.
[16:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. Just get to the
[16:29] Speaker 3: 65 game. MVP. Go ahead. Go ahead, Gil. What?
[16:41] Speaker 1: I thought we established that this was going to happen.
[16:44] Speaker 10: You know when everybody was calling him fat and he
[16:46] Speaker 10: was averaging 28, 8, and 8 being fat? You know
[16:51] Speaker 10: how everybody was making fun of him being fat and
[16:55] Speaker 10: he was averaging 28, 8, and 8 He was averaging
[16:59] Speaker 10: 28 and 8 as a fat man and everybody thought
[17:02] Speaker 10: that was like he's being stopped as a fat man.
[17:06] Speaker 3: 28 and 8. Y'all seem to forget that when he
[17:09] Speaker 3: was fat.
[17:15] Speaker 1: And y'all was calling them fat against Anthony Edwards. And
[17:19] Speaker 1: they lost, but he averaged 33-9-8. And they was calling
[17:24] Speaker 1: them fat. And I'm like, damn, if Anthony Edwards is
[17:26] Speaker 1: skinny and in shape and he's getting outplayed by a
[17:29] Speaker 1: fat man, what happens when this fat man decides to
[17:32] Speaker 1: get in shape?
[17:34] Speaker 3: What is the stats that he has as this fat
[17:37] Speaker 3: man is in shape?
[17:40] Speaker 1: What does the in-shape man have right now?
[17:42] Speaker 2: Slim down Lucas.
[17:43] Speaker 3: The slim down, not the fat one. What does the
[17:45] Speaker 3: slim down one have?
[17:45] Speaker 4: So slim Slovenian Jesus averaging 40 points, 11 rebounds, 9.2
[17:50] Speaker 4: assists in five games this season.
[17:54] Speaker 1: And we trying to figure out why. He averaging what again?
[17:58] Speaker 3: Because I'm confused. Because the number sounds like crazy. Again?
[18:02] Speaker 2: Crazy to some, but 40 points, 11 rebounds, 9.2 assists. Okay.
[18:05] Speaker 3: Hmm.
[18:05] Speaker 1: 50% from the field in case you care. There's nothing
[18:12] Speaker 1: about an overweight, out-of-shape man averaging 28 and 8. Nothing
[18:17] Speaker 1: in the brain of a basketball player says, man, when
[18:19] Speaker 1: he gets in shape, this shit is about to be crazy.
[18:22] Speaker 1: This shit is about to be insane when he actually
[18:24] Speaker 1: gets in shape. They used a moment in time when
[18:29] Speaker 1: he got injured and missed those games and got out
[18:32] Speaker 1: of shape. and then came back out of shape and
[18:35] Speaker 1: was doing what he was doing. So the fact that
[18:37] Speaker 1: he went into the summer, got his body healthy, we've
[18:40] Speaker 1: seen what he did, or we heard because we didn't
[18:44] Speaker 1: watch those games, but we heard.
[18:45] Speaker 2: What he did in FIBA.
[18:48] Speaker 1: He got busy. Did he not get busy? He got busy.
[18:52] Speaker 1: So what we're seeing is what we thought was going
[18:54] Speaker 1: to happen. We can see this. And Wimby said something
[19:01] Speaker 1: that was something that I was saying, and it took
[19:04] Speaker 1: me a 12-hour video of Kyrie when I was just
[19:08] Speaker 1: watching this highlight of him, watching his movement. I had him,
[19:12] Speaker 1: Steph Curry up there, and I'm just watching their highlights,
[19:16] Speaker 1: and I said, God damn, they mastered their craft.
[19:22] Speaker 2: Kyrie, what he's great at, he mastered it.
[19:26] Speaker 1: And when I said, I said, Luka looks like he's
[19:29] Speaker 1: mastered his skills. The things he's doing out there, the
[19:33] Speaker 1: pump fakes, the movement, these little, the human behavior of reaction,
[19:38] Speaker 1: he's mastered the craft. So the fact that Wimby can
[19:41] Speaker 1: see it already shows you his intelligence, that he's looking
[19:45] Speaker 1: at this game and he's realizing he is unscoutable. Because
[19:50] Speaker 1: there's things that he does that as a basketball player,
[19:57] Speaker 1: your reaction timing, right? You fake the ball, you go
[20:00] Speaker 1: down there, he goes up, right? He throws the ball
[20:02] Speaker 1: out there, you flick, he goes under your arm. He's
[20:04] Speaker 1: doing things that it takes 30, 40, you're talking about
[20:10] Speaker 1: Kobe in his latest years, MJ, you know, when he
[20:14] Speaker 1: got into the 90s, right? You're talking about, you know,
[20:16] Speaker 1: you're looking at J-Kid, right? You're talking about Magic Johnson,
[20:19] Speaker 1: the things that they can see that's happening, right? The
[20:23] Speaker 1: John Stock, he's mastered at 23, 24, 25 years old,
[20:27] Speaker 1: and it's fucking scary.
[20:28] Speaker 9: So when would you say LeBron James and those guys
[20:32] Speaker 9: like LeBron, Kobe, Jordan, when did they master, you know,
[20:35] Speaker 9: these crafts? Like, was it the first three with Jordan
[20:38] Speaker 9: or was it the next three? Or was it like
[20:41] Speaker 9: the first two? Well, we're definitely going to fade away
[20:45] Speaker 9: to understanding.
[20:47] Speaker 1: You can say like later 80s, but 90s for sure,
[20:51] Speaker 1: that game looked.
[20:53] Speaker 3: Too easy for him.
[20:54] Speaker 1: Braun, oh, my God. Shit, just the game itself was really, like,
[21:01] Speaker 1: you know, we played against him in the playoffs all
[21:02] Speaker 1: the time. And we've thrown everything at him. He understood
[21:06] Speaker 1: basketball at a very high level. Early, like 19, 20, 21.
[21:11] Speaker 1: He understood the game of basketball like its fullest really early.
[21:17] Speaker 3: Would you say Magic Johnson's probably the earliest? Yeah.
[21:22] Speaker 1: Like if I go back, you can see magic understood basketball.
[21:26] Speaker 1: Like magic, like the European understands the game. That's why
[21:30] Speaker 1: they can use your, like no matter how fast they
[21:33] Speaker 1: are or slow or whatever, they can use your momentum.
[21:36] Speaker 1: Like when you start doing that, right? Like, okay, he's
[21:38] Speaker 1: coming really fast.
[21:39] Speaker 3: Let me stop. Let me move.
[21:41] Speaker 1: Like when you start seeing players do that and they'll
[21:44] Speaker 1: start using the defense against them, you can be like, okay,
[21:47] Speaker 1: they're mastering the human behavior of basketball. You know, and
[21:52] Speaker 1: same thing with Shea. Like, you can see them bumps. Like,
[21:55] Speaker 1: he's using, like, when you can just adopt fouls that easy,
[21:59] Speaker 1: they're understanding that. That's where Brunson comes in at. Those
[22:02] Speaker 1: are masters of, you know, yes. He's a master at scoring.
[22:08] Speaker 1: That is a, he's a master class at a step back.
[22:11] Speaker 1: To the point where they were so scared of his
[22:13] Speaker 1: step back, they started playing behind.
[22:15] Speaker 3: Him on defense. Like, give him the lane.
[22:18] Speaker 1: We don't want him to do the step back because
[22:20] Speaker 1: he mastered something. A lot of guys didn't master a
[22:23] Speaker 1: lot of things in the 90s. They just had this
[22:25] Speaker 1: overall game. There was only a few people that had master.
[22:27] Speaker 1: These kids are taking their one ability and they're mastering
[22:30] Speaker 1: it early. Curry mastered shooting. You know what I mean?
[22:35] Speaker 1: Getting that shut off.
[22:36] Speaker 3: He understand.
[22:36] Speaker 1: Beep, beep, beep.
[22:37] Speaker 3: So what would you say for Cove then? Cove? He work.
[22:43] Speaker 3: I'll wait. You ain't about to say nothing. I think
[22:47] Speaker 3: about the.
[22:48] Speaker 6: It took you this long to say something?
[22:50] Speaker 2: With Kobe?
[22:51] Speaker 9: He just asked me the question. No, just, you know
[22:53] Speaker 9: what I mean? I mean, when you saw Kobe, like,
[22:54] Speaker 9: when you say, all right, he... Is he a master?
[22:57] Speaker 3: Is he a master at it? Yeah, like, it's a wrap.
[23:02] Speaker 1: Probably second championship, that second championship run, you can see
[23:07] Speaker 1: he was mastering his, well, the one-on-one skill, it seemed
[23:10] Speaker 1: like he already had that shit. He already had the
[23:13] Speaker 1: mastering of the one-on-one. But when he started mastering the
[23:17] Speaker 1: game itself and understanding, going in that second championship, so
[23:22] Speaker 1: he was already.
[23:23] Speaker 2: 21, maybe? Okay.
[23:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't have, like, he didn't, like, the stuff
[23:29] Speaker 1: he was forcing, he was just doing it Because the paint,
[23:34] Speaker 1: the lane was packed. But, you know, just guarding him himself,
[23:38] Speaker 1: he was already a master at, you know, getting a
[23:40] Speaker 1: shot off.
[23:42] Speaker 3: What is Luka a master at again? Deception. The ability
[23:49] Speaker 3: to get shots from himself and for other people.
[24:02] Speaker 4: Do you feel like Luka hasn't mastered the game yet?
[24:06] Speaker 4: I mean, you got the Luka jersey on vintage.
[24:09] Speaker 3: I just wanted to know. I just tried to master
[24:12] Speaker 3: of deception. Mm-hmm. Deceiving that he's fat. He's deceiving. Deceiving
[24:22] Speaker 3: that he's slow, but he not.
[24:25] Speaker 2: Carrying the weight well.
[24:26] Speaker 3: Carrying the weight well. 40-11-9.
[24:28] Speaker 2: Five steals last night. Two blocks.
[24:31] Speaker 9: Like, his skill set is not like Larry Bird. Like,
[24:33] Speaker 9: Larry Bird's nasty.
[24:35] Speaker 3: Stop, Nick. What's wrong with Larry Bird? I'm just saying, man.
[24:40] Speaker 3: I'm just saying, they play like... They kind of play
[24:42] Speaker 3: the same.
[24:43] Speaker 1: They make you think I'm moving there so you can
[24:45] Speaker 1: move there so I can move this way.
[24:47] Speaker 3: Like, I'm going to go here to go here to, like.
[24:50] Speaker 2: Master of Magic.
[24:52] Speaker 3: Luke of Magic. Doctor Strange. Y'all still doing it, ain't it?
[24:58] Speaker 3: Come over here. You come over here, ain't it?
[25:02] Speaker 1: Oh, see, I guess so. And in all seriousness, then.
[25:07] Speaker 9: All right, who is somebody that mastered the game, and
[25:11] Speaker 9: what does mastering the game to you mean?
[25:14] Speaker 3: I said mastering the skill. Oh, mastering the skill.
[25:16] Speaker 2: That's why I.
[25:16] Speaker 7: Was asking, like, what is he specifically mastered? Is it
[25:21] Speaker 7: like you say Kyrie mastered what?
[25:25] Speaker 2: Steph?
[25:25] Speaker 7: Okay, Steph mastered shooting, right? So it's like, show me that,
[25:31] Speaker 7: what he's mastered. Because if James Harden mastered the step back, right?
[25:37] Speaker 7: We took that away from him. We took the masterful
[25:40] Speaker 7: skill from him by getting behind him. Why didn't he
[25:43] Speaker 7: master the floater? But he mastered getting fouled. He mastered
[25:48] Speaker 7: getting fouled before that. Right, so then I mastered. So
[25:51] Speaker 7: I mastered the.
[25:52] Speaker 3: All right.
[25:52] Speaker 2: All right, so I mastered the baiting. It wasn't masterful.
[25:55] Speaker 3: It was crazy. Wait, hold on. So I mastered the baiting. Secondary.
[25:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[25:58] Speaker 7: He had to go to the floater because they was
[25:59] Speaker 7: taking away his thing.
[26:01] Speaker 3: But I mastered the foul baiting, and now I mastered
[26:03] Speaker 3: the step back.
[26:04] Speaker 2: Foul drawing. I don't like. Foul drawing.
[26:05] Speaker 3: Okay. Foul drawing.
[26:06] Speaker 2: But he does bait people with a foul, so I understand.
[26:09] Speaker 7: I'm just trying to get a more better understanding of
[26:11] Speaker 7: what the masters are, you know.
[26:13] Speaker 2: Do you feel like.
[26:13] Speaker 4: But Wimby said Luka hard to scout because Wimby feels
[26:16] Speaker 4: like he's mastered the game. Do you agree with Wimby's assessments?
[26:19] Speaker 4: They're Luka's masters of the game?
[26:20] Speaker 3: Luka, like, body positions. Luka's... He know how to get
[26:25] Speaker 3: you off balance. Who? Luka. Oh, the Fipsher.
[26:29] Speaker 6: Stop saying that shit like he's a fucking Avenger.
[26:33] Speaker 2: Go ahead. Go ahead.
[26:34] Speaker 3: Go ahead, man.
[26:35] Speaker 1: Go ahead.
[26:35] Speaker 3: I got you. I got you going that way. I
[26:39] Speaker 3: get a musician.
[26:44] Speaker 2: This way. You said musician?
[26:46] Speaker 3: What do they say? What is his name? Come on.
[26:48] Speaker 2: What do they say?
[26:48] Speaker 3: Luka what?
[26:49] Speaker 2: Luka Magic. Luka Magic.
[26:50] Speaker 1: They also call him Slovenian Jesus or Slim Slovenian Jesus.
[26:53] Speaker 2: Now based on this.
[26:54] Speaker 1: They call it Luka Magic because it looks like he's
[26:56] Speaker 1: out there kicking.
[26:58] Speaker 2: He played his own pace.
[27:00] Speaker 3: Okay.
[27:00] Speaker 2: He's a pace player.
[27:02] Speaker 3: Okay. Beat him up.
[27:04] Speaker 7: I mean, I look at the defenses that gave him trouble.
[27:07] Speaker 7: He still averaged his averages, you know, but I don't
[27:10] Speaker 7: think it's about points when it comes to him because
[27:13] Speaker 7: he's like KD. He's like certain guys who going to
[27:16] Speaker 7: get their shit. It's going to be how it looks
[27:19] Speaker 7: when they win or lose. So I've never been one
[27:23] Speaker 7: to just praise a guy just for getting a bunch
[27:25] Speaker 7: of points and shit. So it's normal for him. I
[27:30] Speaker 7: see the other side. I'm looking at when he do
[27:33] Speaker 7: his shit down here, what he doing down here? That's
[27:37] Speaker 7: what be making it look weird to me. It's like, damn,
[27:39] Speaker 7: give me the same shit you're giving down here, bro.
[27:42] Speaker 7: Be deceptive on defense, nigga.
[27:45] Speaker 3: Five steals. Master.
[27:46] Speaker 2: Deceptively took the ball from the Spurs last night, two blocks.
[27:49] Speaker 3: But, I mean, he doing his thing, though. He can't knock.
[27:52] Speaker 3: What he doing? It's deceptive.
[27:55] Speaker 4: But in all sincerity, Luka for his career, 29, 9 rebounds,
[27:58] Speaker 4: 8 assists. So it's not just the scoring. He's doing
[28:01] Speaker 4: the other things on the court. We're going to talk
[28:02] Speaker 4: about Westbrook later in the show.
[28:04] Speaker 3: Sure.
[28:04] Speaker 4: But you talk about, and he was known as a
[28:06] Speaker 4: stat stuffer, I think a very negative kind of like,
[28:09] Speaker 4: but you look at what Luka's able to do with
[28:10] Speaker 4: the rebounds and the assists and everything else in addition
[28:13] Speaker 4: to his ability to get buckets.
[28:14] Speaker 3: That's what I would, I mean, in comparison to Westbrook.
[28:16] Speaker 3: Why does Luka never win, though? What was it? Well,
[28:21] Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of players that never win.
[28:23] Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Like Westbrook.
[28:24] Speaker 6: Like, what does he end up like Westbrook? Is he
[28:26] Speaker 6: still like the GOAT? Considered like in the GOAT conversation
[28:30] Speaker 6: where y'all want to put him?
[28:32] Speaker 2: No, the GOAT. No, I mean, he'll still be one
[28:33] Speaker 2: of the greatest ever.
[28:35] Speaker 3: Are the numbers between him and Westbrook so different? Yeah.
[28:40] Speaker 7: Or is it because of the way it looks? Because
[28:43] Speaker 7: Luka's shooting that bitch more than Westbrook was shooting it.
[28:46] Speaker 3: He scored better. He definitely scored better. He scored better. Yeah.
[28:50] Speaker 7: But it's still just when you talk about stats, the
[28:53] Speaker 7: numbers are there. They line up.
[28:55] Speaker 3: It's prettier.
[28:57] Speaker 9: Russ is more like, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[29:01] Speaker 9: And Luca's more like, 40 on y'all tonight, just chilling.
[29:06] Speaker 3: Oh, man, that 24 that know how to score. For sure, yeah.
[29:10] Speaker 9: But for somebody that they keep saying is fat and over,
[29:12] Speaker 9: he still find a way to get rebounds. You got
[29:14] Speaker 9: to be able to jump and play hard and be
[29:18] Speaker 9: able to get rebounds and get players involved. So, I mean,
[29:22] Speaker 9: the numbers, I mean, even if he doesn't win it,
[29:24] Speaker 9: I mean, he's still one of the greatest, probably go
[29:26] Speaker 9: down as top five point guard ever, easily.
[29:29] Speaker 1: With five first team All-NBA selections so far in his career,
[29:33] Speaker 1: only 26 years old.
[29:34] Speaker 9: Top five point, if he's going to rate like this,
[29:36] Speaker 9: top five point guard easily.
[29:37] Speaker 1: Five-time All-NBA first team. Meaning his position, he is one
[29:45] Speaker 1: or two.
[29:47] Speaker 3: Most of those is before they switched positions. Before. Before position.
[29:52] Speaker 2: What would she be? At the same age? I mean,
[29:59] Speaker 2: he don't have five offers.
[30:00] Speaker 3: He is a three-time All-NBA champion. So y'all put him
[30:03] Speaker 3: in front of Shea right now.
[30:05] Speaker 1: If both their careers stopped right now, Luka would probably
[30:08] Speaker 1: be in front of Shea.
[30:10] Speaker 2: I mean, last year helped Shea. For what reason?
[30:13] Speaker 1: Last year helped Shea, like, catch up. But you're talking
[30:16] Speaker 1: about the same age. One is a five-time All-NBA first team.
[30:21] Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. But that's what I'm saying.
[30:23] Speaker 1: He did all that to catch up. That's how far
[30:25] Speaker 1: behind he was. Shea is a three-time All-NBA. Three times.
[30:30] Speaker 2: One has been the number one player in.
[30:31] Speaker 1: His position five straight years. Like, that has to be the.
[30:36] Speaker 3: He's probably the only one in that category. As of today,
[30:39] Speaker 3: who is... Is he the only one in that category
[30:40] Speaker 3: at that age? What year is Luka? Six?
[30:43] Speaker 2: What is this? His seventh?
[30:45] Speaker 3: Seventh year. His last year. His last year. He got
[30:47] Speaker 3: five straight until last year. Shea is what? Seventh year, too?
[30:52] Speaker 3: Let's see.
[30:52] Speaker 1: Last year he missed it because he missed so much time.
[30:56] Speaker 2: He didn't qualify. Shae's in his eighth season. Shae's in
[30:58] Speaker 2: his eighth.
[30:59] Speaker 3: Luka's in his seventh. Shae had to start the way
[31:01] Speaker 3: he started.
[31:01] Speaker 2: Luka's in his eighth as well.
[31:03] Speaker 7: So I always factor in how do we start. Did
[31:08] Speaker 7: they throw Luka the ball right away?
[31:10] Speaker 3: Gave him everything.
[31:12] Speaker 2: What did they do to Shae? But Luka came in
[31:15] Speaker 2: as a EuroLeague MVP. Yeah, Paul George and.
[31:16] Speaker 3: Everybody on that team. Kawhi.
[31:18] Speaker 2: Kawhi MVP. He wasn't on the same team. I mean,
[31:22] Speaker 2: that's not.
[31:22] Speaker 1: You can use whatever you want, but one is a five-time,
[31:27] Speaker 1: five-year straight.
[31:27] Speaker 3: That means from his rookie season, right, he was first team.
[31:31] Speaker 3: So when the other one got his ball, he became better.
[31:34] Speaker 3: When he finally got his second season on.
[31:36] Speaker 2: He won.
[31:37] Speaker 3: Yeah. So that means he's better, right? Right now, if
[31:42] Speaker 3: you end a career right now.
[31:44] Speaker 1: Eight years, one is a five-time All-NBA, one is a
[31:50] Speaker 1: three-time All-NBA.
[31:52] Speaker 3: One has an MVP, one has that.
[31:54] Speaker 1: So when you're gauging the MVP, they're right there now.
[31:57] Speaker 1: But Shea needed all of that to catch where Luka
[32:00] Speaker 1: is at the same age.
[32:02] Speaker 6: But where is one and where is two right now?
[32:05] Speaker 6: If they was to stop right now.
[32:07] Speaker 1: Who is one and who is two? It all depends
[32:08] Speaker 1: on what you value. Do you value one year or
[32:11] Speaker 1: do you value your whole career? So Luka five times,
[32:13] Speaker 1: Shea three times.
[32:14] Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[32:16] Speaker 7: So you're going to use Shea's year last.
[32:19] Speaker 3: Year against him? No, I'm just saying. You have 33
[32:23] Speaker 3: years in a row, right?
[32:25] Speaker 7: But last year you're saying that that pushed him equal.
[32:29] Speaker 7: to Luka, but you have to use last year as
[32:34] Speaker 7: MVP for all these things that Luka don't got. So
[32:38] Speaker 7: he's still Igor here above.
[32:44] Speaker 3: He has hardware. I'm going to go SGA's above. Thank you.
[32:47] Speaker 3: I'm about to say just say one. I'm saying SGA's
[32:49] Speaker 3: above because of that. Because of the hardware.
[32:51] Speaker 9: I mean, and also he averaged 30 the last two years.
[32:53] Speaker 9: So it wasn't like he just got it this year.
[32:55] Speaker 9: Like he's been and he was supposed to get it
[32:57] Speaker 9: last year. So I'm just saying if they do stop
[32:59] Speaker 9: right now, I'm going to go SGA.
[33:00] Speaker 3: And they've never won two for the last three years, right?
[33:03] Speaker 3: Or two. Damn, Luka had five. I mean, that last year, though,
[33:07] Speaker 3: did it for him.
[33:08] Speaker 2: They played a similar amount of regular season games. I
[33:10] Speaker 2: think Shea had 471. Luka had 455.
[33:11] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[33:15] Speaker 2: Would you like me to read the stats, Gilbert?
[33:17] Speaker 3: Okay. Who's one and who's two?
[33:22] Speaker 11: Whoever you want. Whoever you value. No, it ain't whoever
[33:26] Speaker 11: I value. It's a realistic thing. Who's one and who's...
[33:31] Speaker 11: Who do you want? You're asking a question.
[33:34] Speaker 3: Who do you want? Don't press him like that.
[33:36] Speaker 2: Who do you have number one?
[33:37] Speaker 3: Who do you have number one?
[33:40] Speaker 6: Who do I have number one or who should be
[33:42] Speaker 6: number one in this situation?
[33:43] Speaker 3: Who do you want? Shea. Shea should be number one. Yeah,
[33:47] Speaker 3: so they both stop today. Today. They both stop today.
[33:50] Speaker 3: Shea should be in the front.
[33:51] Speaker 6: Because you said Luka's top five, so I was like,
[33:53] Speaker 6: where is Shea?
[33:54] Speaker 3: Right, right.
[33:55] Speaker 4: So Shea, three-time first-team All-NBA selection, SGA, MVP finals, MVP
[34:00] Speaker 4: scoring champ.
[34:02] Speaker 3: Luka has a scoring champ? Yeah. Of course. One? He
[34:06] Speaker 3: only has one?
[34:06] Speaker 2: Of course.
[34:07] Speaker 3: There should be two.
[34:11] Speaker 6: Shit, if he's going to play that amount of games,
[34:13] Speaker 6: he missed half the season already.
[34:14] Speaker 3: Who?
[34:15] Speaker 2: SGA?
[34:15] Speaker 3: Any defensive selection? No. All defense? Mm-hmm. End game. He
[34:22] Speaker 3: might be able to get another one. What's that say?
[34:24] Speaker 3: What he did last year, he caught up. He did.
[34:27] Speaker 3: I mean, he went through the board. So, yeah, obviously
[34:30] Speaker 3: he's going to boost himself up.
[34:31] Speaker 2: So SGA, 25-5-5 in his career.
[34:35] Speaker 3: I'm just telling you the numbers. Do what you want
[34:38] Speaker 3: to do with them. 29, 9, and 8.
[34:39] Speaker 2: What's Shea's first couple years?
[34:40] Speaker 3: That's why.
[34:40] Speaker 2: He came in in 2000.
[34:41] Speaker 3: They came in the same year. Same draft.
[34:43] Speaker 2: It wasn't until 2023.
[34:43] Speaker 12: How much did he average his first two years? Shea's
[34:45] Speaker 12: first year in the league, he averaged 11. His second season,
[34:49] Speaker 12: he averaged 19. That's a hell of a jump. What
[35:04] Speaker 12: was Lucas' first two? Let me pull it up here. Lucas'
[35:09] Speaker 12: first season, he averaged 21, 8, and 6.
[35:11] Speaker 3: Minutes.
[35:12] Speaker 1: And then next season, he averaged 29, 9, and 8.
[35:15] Speaker 3: What's the minutes?
[35:17] Speaker 4: Rookie year, Lucas 32.2 minutes per game. Jay was playing 26.5.
[35:22] Speaker 4: Like I.
[35:24] Speaker 3: Said, one had to catch up.
[35:27] Speaker 2: Man, they up there.
[35:27] Speaker 3: They both, they sitting there. They went from 21 to 29.
[35:32] Speaker 3: Both great players. So Luka went from 21 to 29.
[35:33] Speaker 3: Went from 11 to 30. When he got his chance,
[35:38] Speaker 3: I'm just saying. When he got his chance, he went
[35:41] Speaker 3: from 11 to 30.
[35:41] Speaker 2: There were steps in between that to get to that
[35:43] Speaker 2: 30-piece record in a couple seasons.
[35:44] Speaker 3: I've never been the man of the team until, what,
[35:47] Speaker 3: three or four years? Second year.
[35:49] Speaker 6: No, stop, man.
[35:50] Speaker 3: He was not the man.
[35:51] Speaker 2: He went from 10 to 19.
[35:53] Speaker 3: Come on. 19 was still on the Clippers. No. Chris
[35:57] Speaker 3: Paul was the man on that damn team. Just stop, man.
[36:00] Speaker 2: Went from 11 to 19 to 24. Oh, yeah.
[36:03] Speaker 3: That was the OKC year.
[36:05] Speaker 2: Of the bubble season.
[36:06] Speaker 3: When Chris Paul left, that's when, yeah, 30 to 30
[36:09] Speaker 3: to 30.
[36:09] Speaker 1: So that means, again, so that means he had to
[36:12] Speaker 1: catch up.
[36:14] Speaker 3: He got his own team. He didn't catch up. So
[36:18] Speaker 3: he catched up and passed them when he got his
[36:20] Speaker 3: own team. So who's better?
[36:23] Speaker 6: Ruppercut had his whole team all this time and couldn't win.
[36:26] Speaker 3: He got his own team, he won. Who do you
[36:28] Speaker 3: think leads in points, rebounds, assists, steals? Who do you
[36:30] Speaker 3: think won a championship? If you want to use that,
[36:33] Speaker 3: then yes. Who do you think carries his team to
[36:35] Speaker 3: a championship?
[36:35] Speaker 1: But if you want to use that, then say yes.
[36:38] Speaker 3: If we're talking about our everything... Right?
[36:43] Speaker 2: I have more points than you, more rebounds.
[36:45] Speaker 3: We're in the same draft. You had your own team. Okay.
[36:48] Speaker 3: So I'm in front of you.
[36:49] Speaker 1: So that means you had to do a lot to
[36:51] Speaker 1: catch up with me still.
[36:53] Speaker 3: That means you had to.
[36:54] Speaker 1: Do a lot to catch up with me if I
[36:56] Speaker 1: had my own team.
[36:58] Speaker 3: If I beat you in one year? What I'm saying,
[37:00] Speaker 3: if I had my own team. If I beat you
[37:02] Speaker 3: in one year, I should do a lot. I did
[37:05] Speaker 3: everything in one year. I didn't have to do a lot. Damn.
[37:08] Speaker 3: That's making up time, too.
[37:09] Speaker 1: So you say the championship is all you need to
[37:12] Speaker 1: beat one player? I'm trying to figure out how do
[37:14] Speaker 1: you value it. What takes away somebody's career? So one
[37:19] Speaker 1: year can take away someone six years? I'm trying to
[37:22] Speaker 1: figure out how is it working for you? So if
[37:24] Speaker 1: I average 30 for five years and you average 31
[37:27] Speaker 1: to win a championship, the rest of your years don't matter.
[37:31] Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how we're doing.
[37:32] Speaker 3: That sounds like the Kobe T-Mac comparison, don't it? No.
[37:36] Speaker 2: No, we're going to stick with you.
[37:37] Speaker 7: You was doing this a lot like I was doing it,
[37:40] Speaker 7: but I just didn't.
[37:41] Speaker 2: Stay right here because we're... I just won.
[37:43] Speaker 3: I just won. When you just win, it just kind
[37:46] Speaker 3: of cancels you out.
[37:47] Speaker 2: Okay, so what are you.
[37:49] Speaker 3: It cancels you out.
[37:51] Speaker 2: What are you trying to.
[37:52] Speaker 3: What I'm saying is... You keep saying that one year.
[37:55] Speaker 1: So I'm saying it didn't take me a lot. What
[37:58] Speaker 1: I'm saying is one year of getting an MVP... Western
[38:02] Speaker 1: Conference MVP, Finals MVP.
[38:04] Speaker 3: Scoring champ.
[38:05] Speaker 1: Scoring champ and championship to jump to get back And
[38:09] Speaker 1: say I'm in front.
[38:10] Speaker 2: Or say I'm tied.
[38:11] Speaker 1: It took all of that to get here because this
[38:14] Speaker 1: guy had a head start over me.
[38:15] Speaker 7: Stay there, Nick. Stay there because this is one year.
[38:18] Speaker 7: One year took me. It made up for five years.
[38:22] Speaker 7: One year made up for five years. Imagine what we're
[38:24] Speaker 7: going to do this year. That means we will surpass you.
[38:28] Speaker 7: Last year, average 30. Last three seasons, average 30. This year,
[38:31] Speaker 7: average 30. But the other one, average 30. But one year,
[38:33] Speaker 7: he's saying one year brought me even to this dude
[38:37] Speaker 7: that's been doing it since his rookie year?
[38:39] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[38:41] Speaker 9: He said if I average 30 for the last five
[38:42] Speaker 9: years and you average 30 for one year and get everything,
[38:45] Speaker 9: you're correct.
[38:45] Speaker 2: What I'm saying is.
[38:46] Speaker 3: No, I'm saying.
[38:46] Speaker 1: But if that brings you even, if this one year
[38:48] Speaker 1: brings you even.
[38:49] Speaker 3: He did something that's never been done. He swept.
[38:52] Speaker 1: Like, you got to think about, like, how much ground
[38:55] Speaker 1: you catch on everybody would have sweeped the board.
[38:57] Speaker 4: MVP finals, MVP Western Conference.
[38:59] Speaker 1: Like, if Wimby right now gets... If he wins in rebounding,
[39:04] Speaker 1: block shots, defensive player of the year, MVP, he jumps
[39:08] Speaker 1: a lot of people with that.
[39:11] Speaker 3: He wins a championship.
[39:12] Speaker 1: He gets a Western Conference Finals MVP. These dudes is
[39:17] Speaker 1: doing something that's never been heard of. They're cleaning the
[39:20] Speaker 1: board where they can jump people's careers in one year.
[39:24] Speaker 2: That's what she did last year.
[39:26] Speaker 3: So who did Joker? Who did Joker jump? A lot
[39:29] Speaker 3: of a lot of people who like far centers or
[39:32] Speaker 3: just overall and top players. I mean, he was how
[39:35] Speaker 3: many MVPs is he one three?
[39:37] Speaker 2: Yes, three.
[39:37] Speaker 7: How many championships? He has one championship three MVPs. Who
[39:41] Speaker 7: did he jump?
[39:42] Speaker 2: First center to average a triple-double on pace. I have
[39:44] Speaker 2: a triple-double edition.
[39:45] Speaker 3: Did he jump nobody? What do you mean nobody?
[39:48] Speaker 2: I'm asking. Where the fuck did he start?
[39:51] Speaker 3: He started at the second round.
[39:52] Speaker 1: If he was ranked 100 as the center, obviously he
[39:55] Speaker 1: had to.
[39:55] Speaker 3: Jump a lot of people. If he's top 15 ever.
[40:00] Speaker 5: So Shea started where he started. And jumped a whole bunch.
[40:04] Speaker 5: Joker has three of them here. And he jumped a whole.
[40:07] Speaker 3: Bunch of people. That's what I'm asking.
[40:09] Speaker 1: Right now you're arguing right now if he's a top
[40:12] Speaker 1: three center all time. So whoever you think is top five,
[40:16] Speaker 1: they got him jumping them.
[40:18] Speaker 3: I mean, hey.
[40:19] Speaker 1: It all depends on what you value. Do you value
[40:21] Speaker 1: championships or do you value stats? Who were you when
[40:24] Speaker 1: you played?
[40:25] Speaker 3: Is it stats or championships?
[40:26] Speaker 2: Who are you.
[40:27] Speaker 3: When you played? Top three?
[40:29] Speaker 2: I like that. Who were you when you played and
[40:31] Speaker 2: when you won?
[40:32] Speaker 3: Top three, Sam? People are arguing that. It's a very
[40:35] Speaker 3: compelling debate. I'm not arguing that.
[40:37] Speaker 2: Especially how we started this year.
[40:38] Speaker 3: What, Shaq, Kareem? He's probably five. Shaq, Kareem, Wilt? Hakeem. Hakeem?
[40:43] Speaker 6: All right.
[40:45] Speaker 2: I mean, but shit, some people- It's hard when you
[40:47] Speaker 2: say the name.
[40:50] Speaker 7: We just talking positional when we're talking Shea and Luka.
[40:53] Speaker 1: No.
[40:54] Speaker 3: We're talking positional. No, you said who did he jump.
[40:57] Speaker 9: You just said who did he jump, but he said
[40:59] Speaker 9: the top 15.
[41:00] Speaker 3: He been jumped, though.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Can y'all do a vote?
[41:02] Speaker 3: We're talking Luka and Shea. Who is higher on the
[41:06] Speaker 3: ranking between?
[41:07] Speaker 2: We already done that, Gil.
[41:08] Speaker 3: Hakeem.
[41:09] Speaker 2: Oh, not that.
[41:10] Speaker 3: And Yoke. Not that.
[41:12] Speaker 4: Who do they have in front right now? So before
[41:14] Speaker 4: we do that, let me read this poll we ran.
[41:16] Speaker 4: We said who's better, SGA or Luka?
[41:18] Speaker 3: Oh.
[41:18] Speaker 4: 68% of the chat said.
[41:20] Speaker 3: Don't do it.
[41:23] Speaker 2: Luka Doncic.
[41:25] Speaker 3: LA thing.
[41:25] Speaker 2: Y'all like that build up? I've been practicing.
[41:29] Speaker 3: No. I know you care about all this.
[41:33] Speaker 4: And producers wanted me to let you guys know that
[41:34] Speaker 4: Luka beat SGA as well in the 2024 West Semis.
[41:37] Speaker 4: Not that that may do anything for you guys. But
[41:40] Speaker 4: head-to-head seems to be an important part of that problem.
[41:42] Speaker 3: Huh? Huh?
[41:43] Speaker 6: Treat him like shit. Just keep talking shit about Shay.
[41:46] Speaker 3: What else? Not at all. It's nice as fuck. I
[41:48] Speaker 3: got him as the MVP candidate right now.
[41:50] Speaker 2: Number one.
[41:50] Speaker 3: Thank you.
[41:51] Speaker 1: He's number one. He won it last year. I have
[41:54] Speaker 1: him ranked number one right now. You got to take
[41:56] Speaker 1: it from him. Swaggy Thunder. What he's doing right now,
[41:58] Speaker 1: y'all ain't taking.
[41:59] Speaker 3: It from him.
[41:59] Speaker 1: Top spot in the West right now. What y'all do,
[42:02] Speaker 1: you got to take. Like me, I'm one of those.
[42:04] Speaker 1: You have to take something from somebody. So if he's
[42:07] Speaker 1: number one again and he's doing exactly what it is,
[42:10] Speaker 1: I don't care what these other people's stats are. You
[42:12] Speaker 1: didn't earn it from him. He is MVP candidate number
[42:16] Speaker 1: one still.
[42:16] Speaker 3: Ain't lost a game.
[42:18] Speaker 2: No, they haven't. They lost last night.
[42:19] Speaker 3: They did? I don't matter.
[42:21] Speaker 2: I don't matter.
[42:21] Speaker 3: The Blazers.
[42:22] Speaker 2: It was a 22-point lead.
[42:23] Speaker 3: It was a back-to-back.
[42:25] Speaker 4: You got to say you play who you play when
[42:27] Speaker 4: you play.
[42:27] Speaker 1: So even as a Luka fan, I mean, you're 41.
[42:31] Speaker 1: That's taking it, but you still, he has to lose it.
[42:35] Speaker 1: I can't give it to you. So I got Shea 1,
[42:37] Speaker 1: Luka 2 in my vote.
[42:38] Speaker 3: So what's the record?
[42:39] Speaker 4: So we have some early... So Lakers are 7-2, Thunder 8-1.
[42:42] Speaker 4: So Lakers will soon pass the Thunder for the top
[42:44] Speaker 4: spot in the West, but we'll worry about that. We'll
[42:45] Speaker 4: worry about that when we get there. Likely next time
[42:47] Speaker 4: we're in the arena next week on Wednesday.
[42:49] Speaker 2: But we asked the chat.
[42:50] Speaker 3: If he's number one, Luka is MVP. No, I don't
[42:53] Speaker 3: do it like that.
[42:54] Speaker 2: We asked the chat who is better. We left it
[42:56] Speaker 2: very simple. Who's better?
[42:57] Speaker 3: Hakeem or Jokic? I'll cheat.
[43:00] Speaker 4: Currently 53% of the chat says Nikola Jokic is better
[43:03] Speaker 4: than Hakeem Olajuwon.
[43:04] Speaker 2: This is coming from our.
[43:06] Speaker 4: Dear Trusted Chat, some abandoning work to watch this show.
[43:10] Speaker 4: Gills Arena presented by Underdog Woof Woof.
[43:12] Speaker 3: Woof Woof.
[43:13] Speaker 2: God bless y'all. Well, let's talk about.
[43:15] Speaker 3: Green, Woof, better than all of them.
[43:16] Speaker 4: They don't have them better than us. Let's talk about
[43:17] Speaker 4: another big man.
[43:18] Speaker 3: And Will Chamberlain?
[43:19] Speaker 2: They don't have him.
[43:20] Speaker 3: I've never seen Woof play.
[43:22] Speaker 1: I know, but they got him ranked top 10 all time. So, obviously,
[43:26] Speaker 1: he ain't... I mean, you don't get to jump to
[43:29] Speaker 1: top 10 yet.
[43:30] Speaker 4: So, let's talk about another big man trying to throw
[43:32] Speaker 4: his name in the hat, currently dealing with some issues.
[43:34] Speaker 4: The Spurs have lost two straight games. The Suns and
[43:37] Speaker 4: Lakers may have provided a temporary blueprint for how to
[43:40] Speaker 4: slow down Wimby. So ex-user Karsabi compiled a breakdown of
[43:44] Speaker 4: how the Suns were able to contain the MVP candidate
[43:47] Speaker 4: during their game earlier this week. Let's take a quick
[43:50] Speaker 4: look at some of the different things they have going on.
[43:52] Speaker 4: So you see an aggressive off-ball denial here. And teams
[43:56] Speaker 4: often use guards now.
[43:58] Speaker 1: Struggle.
[43:58] Speaker 3: Give me that.
[44:05] Speaker 2: Making sure to attack Wimby when the ball is exposed.
[44:07] Speaker 3: You got to get stronger. That's all.
[44:10] Speaker 4: So Sun's defensive schemes led to Wimby having his worst
[44:13] Speaker 4: game of the season. Finished with a season-low nine points
[44:15] Speaker 4: along with nine rebounds and four blocks. Lakers were also
[44:19] Speaker 4: successful with their defensive schemes against Wimby, forcing him to
[44:22] Speaker 4: shoot 36% from the field and commit five turnovers in
[44:27] Speaker 4: the game.
[44:28] Speaker 3: Shoot quicker. He got to shoot quicker, too. Quicker moves.
[44:31] Speaker 2: They got him. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
[44:34] Speaker 3: Woo-hoo! Woo! That shit's beautiful out there. That shit's beautiful.
[44:39] Speaker 2: Does it make your heart flutter? Does it warm your heart?
[44:42] Speaker 2: It does.
[44:43] Speaker 3: Okay. Y'all said they don't play defense, though.
[44:45] Speaker 4: So Wimby was asked where his mental state and confidence
[44:49] Speaker 4: was after these last two games and had this to say.
[44:52] Speaker 2: Like, there's no worrying, really.
[44:54] Speaker 3: It's just trying to figure out what's best.
[44:56] Speaker 8: I mean, there's obvious things we can correct right away, but.
[45:03] Speaker 8: There are things, right now it feels like, it feels
[45:06] Speaker 8: like the game is going fast somehow. It feels like
[45:08] Speaker 8: the game has like, as we get better as a team,
[45:12] Speaker 8: and as we get better individually as well, it's like
[45:15] Speaker 8: the opponents have stepped up in some ways defensively. And
[45:21] Speaker 8: I feel in a way that the game feels fast
[45:24] Speaker 8: right now. So we're going to catch up on it,
[45:27] Speaker 8: of course, but it's on us to see how quick.
[45:32] Speaker 4: So our resident barber, JC, wanted to let Wimby know
[45:34] Speaker 4: that he is available for lineups and shape-ups.
[45:36] Speaker 3: I don't respect his shit.
[45:37] Speaker 2: Should he ever need him.
[45:39] Speaker 4: Wimby's averaging 30.2 points and shooting 56% from the field
[45:43] Speaker 4: in his first five games this season. But in his
[45:45] Speaker 4: last two games, he's averaging just 14 points while shooting 32%
[45:49] Speaker 4: from the field and 14% from three. It feels very temporary,
[45:54] Speaker 4: but our team's figuring out how to stop Wimby.
[45:57] Speaker 3: Hmm.
[45:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're staring at me. No, because you put
[46:01] Speaker 1: team as S's. But you had this on the rundown
[46:04] Speaker 1: before they even played this. When it was just one
[46:06] Speaker 1: fucking team. But you had teams. Because he was playing
[46:09] Speaker 1: the Lakers, Gil. I knew what was coming. Negro dominance.
[46:12] Speaker 1: He's still young, bro. Listen, they haven't figured out how
[46:19] Speaker 1: to stop him.
[46:20] Speaker 3: He stops himself.
[46:21] Speaker 1: There's just things he does and he still seems to just.
[46:25] Speaker 3: Be playing the game.
[46:27] Speaker 1: And He doesn't really understand his advantage. His advantage is
[46:33] Speaker 1: he's taller than everyone.
[46:34] Speaker 3: By far.
[46:36] Speaker 1: Right?
[46:36] Speaker 2: So most of the time.
[46:38] Speaker 1: He gets the ball and he will squat all the
[46:42] Speaker 1: way down to do his moves.
[46:44] Speaker 3: Huh?
[46:45] Speaker 6: Yeah, like he has Rui on him.
[46:48] Speaker 1: He'll do this, turn and face, and then he gets
[46:50] Speaker 1: here to do a move.
[46:52] Speaker 2: They're smaller than him. They want you to do that.
[46:55] Speaker 1: Like, if you get the ball and you turn and face,
[46:57] Speaker 1: and you're sitting here, which means a smaller guy who's
[47:00] Speaker 1: like this has to now stand fully up.
[47:03] Speaker 3: Right?
[47:03] Speaker 1: He has to lock his knees to do one of these.
[47:07] Speaker 2: Now you can go. So you have to start going
[47:09] Speaker 2: from here to here.
[47:10] Speaker 13: Right?
[47:10] Speaker 1: Versus sitting here trying to do this. You don't have
[47:13] Speaker 1: a first full step. These guys are smaller. They're going
[47:16] Speaker 1: to get under you. So you got to come from here, turn,
[47:19] Speaker 1: shoot one of these, shoot two of these. Now Rui
[47:21] Speaker 1: has to come to you and has to do the closeout.
[47:24] Speaker 1: Now you go around him. It's like he wants to
[47:26] Speaker 1: be a guard so bad, but he gets into this
[47:28] Speaker 1: mode when, yo, just turn face, turn face, shoot from here.
[47:34] Speaker 1: It's not like anybody can block you. Like you're talking
[47:38] Speaker 1: about just that move alone.
[47:41] Speaker 3: For sure.
[47:41] Speaker 2: That move alone.
[47:42] Speaker 1: There's only a few people who can even contest that jumper.
[47:48] Speaker 1: That means they have to stand straight up to then jump.
[47:50] Speaker 1: Just off this, turn the face, look down. You can
[47:54] Speaker 1: pass from here, and then you can just straight shoot
[47:56] Speaker 1: from here.
[47:56] Speaker 3: Make one, pump fake. Right? All you got to do
[48:00] Speaker 3: is make one of those. One of those.
[48:01] Speaker 1: One of those are changes, but he gets the ball,
[48:03] Speaker 1: and he's ready to go already.
[48:05] Speaker 3: He's already low, man.
[48:06] Speaker 6: Do the over the top. Yeah, he want to get
[48:08] Speaker 6: low and do the metal old KD.
[48:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, cheat fouls, too.
[48:13] Speaker 9: With chief house, he gonna get it gets him like
[48:16] Speaker 9: out of his rhythm to a lot and then the
[48:18] Speaker 9: lack of the shooters around them too.
[48:20] Speaker 3: So you can just double them right now. He still
[48:22] Speaker 3: with this is 30 years.
[48:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a third figure and out man. So
[48:26] Speaker 2: actually we're all super hard with me to start the.
[48:28] Speaker 6: Season having a whole team trying to guard.
[48:31] Speaker 2: On to go to dirt.
[48:32] Speaker 1: This is when he goes to dirt this summer go
[48:34] Speaker 1: to dirt get learn that high shot that had that
[48:38] Speaker 1: that that put.
[48:39] Speaker 3: The knee out shot unguardable. That's all you need next.
[48:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[48:44] Speaker 1: That's all you need because that's going to open up
[48:45] Speaker 1: the rest of your game because you don't even have
[48:47] Speaker 1: to be strong. Right? Because when I'm behind you and
[48:52] Speaker 1: I get to do this, when I turn and face,
[48:54] Speaker 1: you got to take your hand off.
[48:56] Speaker 3: Right? You got to take it off. So now it
[48:59] Speaker 3: has nothing.
[48:59] Speaker 1: Now you're just shooting practice shots against these people.
[49:01] Speaker 3: A little bit of clay because clay don't ever bring
[49:03] Speaker 3: that bitch down. Please.
[49:05] Speaker 4: Pastor Thomas, I see you. Obviously, let the couch speak.
[49:08] Speaker 4: You were in deep thought. It appeared to me from
[49:11] Speaker 4: my vantage point. Appreciate your observation.
[49:12] Speaker 3: Okay.
[49:16] Speaker 7: From an individual standpoint, I could agree with y'all.
[49:19] Speaker 2: But.
[49:19] Speaker 7: you guys know I'm a team guy, so I think
[49:22] Speaker 7: that the Suns played great team defense, elbows and boxes.
[49:26] Speaker 7: They were on the nail. They switched. They fronted. They
[49:29] Speaker 7: made it tough for him. They showed bodies. They did
[49:32] Speaker 7: everything the old school defense used to do. Too bad
[49:35] Speaker 7: the Phoenix Suns don't play like that every night. They
[49:38] Speaker 7: played to extinguish a fire that was hyphenated and everybody's
[49:43] Speaker 7: giving this buzz and this spark for Wimby. They came in,
[49:46] Speaker 7: they showed a blueprint. That blueprint is just old school defense.
[49:51] Speaker 7: Be in front, show bodies, reach, dig, make sure he
[49:55] Speaker 7: sees us all the time. For Wimby, I think it's
[49:59] Speaker 7: him being more patient and understanding exactly what the offense
[50:02] Speaker 7: has when Dylan Harper's out. And you got a bunch
[50:07] Speaker 7: of slashers in the game. Castles hasn't proven himself to
[50:10] Speaker 7: be a knockdown shooter. Then he hasn't been hitting the
[50:13] Speaker 7: shots as he used to and he did in the
[50:15] Speaker 7: first three games. Harrison Barnes not knocking it down as much.
[50:19] Speaker 7: Sohan makes them more of a liability because he's not
[50:22] Speaker 7: a shooter at all. So now you got to look
[50:24] Speaker 7: at how Tim Duncan used to play in the post
[50:26] Speaker 7: when he used to be patient and used to see
[50:28] Speaker 7: those cutters and be able to find those guys moving
[50:31] Speaker 7: around in the offense. So you got to give Phoenix
[50:34] Speaker 7: credit for one. for bringing back shell defense is what
[50:39] Speaker 7: we talked about.
[50:40] Speaker 3: That shit got cooked too back in the day. That
[50:43] Speaker 3: shell defense. Can I finish? Can I finish, killer? Goddamn.
[50:48] Speaker 3: Shell defense. Shell defense. Shit. You didn't check my shit
[50:54] Speaker 3: so fast. Goddamn. Shell defense. Goddamn.
[50:55] Speaker 7: You see how they was doing the shell defense. The
[51:03] Speaker 7: Lakers come in, they mimic it because J.J.
[51:05] Speaker 3: Seen. This was effective against Wimby. Everybody move around.
[51:10] Speaker 7: We got to shuffle against him, scramble against him, make
[51:14] Speaker 7: it tough against him, show bodies, and we got to
[51:15] Speaker 7: be on the nail when he has the ball on
[51:17] Speaker 7: the wing. That was very effective. Keep him off the glass.
[51:22] Speaker 7: Make those other shooters shoot. Make him shoot. Make him
[51:25] Speaker 7: take tough shots. Everything is working into everybody else's benefit,
[51:29] Speaker 7: but the thing I'll say to Wimby is, This is
[51:31] Speaker 7: what happens when you start hot and you're a big man.
[51:34] Speaker 7: And you don't have the pieces around you to extinguish
[51:37] Speaker 7: those fires. So once these guys start hitting shots, they
[51:40] Speaker 7: start moving the ball a little bit more, he'll have openings.
[51:43] Speaker 3: But right now, it's going to be tough on him.
[51:46] Speaker 9: Right, so I'll just stay in the shell, Joe, then.
[51:49] Speaker 9: I mean, because they don't have– I mean, until Dee
[51:52] Speaker 9: Fox comes back. I mean, once Dee Fox comes back, then–
[51:55] Speaker 9: Or Harper. Or Harper, but right now, if nobody around
[51:58] Speaker 9: him can make shots, then it's already– It's, you know...
[52:02] Speaker 9: And if you think about him.
[52:05] Speaker 7: If you think about him not doing nothing, too, if
[52:06] Speaker 7: he's turning and he's trying to do one-on-one shit while
[52:09] Speaker 7: they're playing two-on-one, they're doubling and they're waiting on him
[52:12] Speaker 7: to put it on the ground, it's not going to
[52:14] Speaker 7: help him to just be jacking up shots. He's got
[52:16] Speaker 7: to be patient and wait and see guys flashing, slashing.
[52:20] Speaker 7: Everybody's got to cut on the weak side. Coach's got
[52:22] Speaker 7: to give up more schemes. He's got to figure it out.
[52:24] Speaker 3: What's his arm length? He's got to do quicker shots.
[52:28] Speaker 3: Because there's just....
[52:31] Speaker 1: It's just things that he just doesn't do that just make.
[52:35] Speaker 2: There's.
[52:35] Speaker 1: No team besides Houston or.
[52:41] Speaker 3: Giannis with Milwaukee.
[52:42] Speaker 2: No, not even Giannis and Milwaukee.
[52:43] Speaker 1: You're talking about Orlando, who got a bunch of 6'10, 6'11,
[52:46] Speaker 1: guys that can play front and back.
[52:49] Speaker 3: There's no way... There's no.
[52:52] Speaker 1: Way Sons was allowed to play front and back against you.
[52:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
[52:58] Speaker 2: First of all, the nigga in front of you is
[52:59] Speaker 2: too small.
[53:01] Speaker 3: Right?
[53:01] Speaker 1: But what ends up happening sometimes is they don't throw
[53:05] Speaker 1: the ball to him.
[53:07] Speaker 3: He be holding it right here. They don't know how
[53:08] Speaker 3: to do it. Like, what are you doing? I don't
[53:10] Speaker 3: give a fuck, man.
[53:11] Speaker 1: You better put your goddamn hand that high. Let me
[53:14] Speaker 1: throw it up so you can, uh. Eight-foot wingspan. Eight-foot
[53:17] Speaker 1: wingspan at 7'4. meaning slow your ass down a little bit.
[53:25] Speaker 1: You're moving too fast, right? There's somebody in front, there's
[53:28] Speaker 1: somebody in back, right? Now you see he's here, right?
[53:32] Speaker 1: So he's not going to jump. He's going to try
[53:34] Speaker 1: to put his ass on you, right?
[53:36] Speaker 3: Throw it up.
[53:37] Speaker 1: When you throw it up, listen, you don't need to
[53:40] Speaker 1: try to make passes like this.
[53:42] Speaker 3: Turn and face. Hold it up. Turn and face. Look.
[53:47] Speaker 3: Look with your eyes. Stop trying to do one of these. No,
[53:51] Speaker 3: turn and face. God damn. Turn and face.
[53:53] Speaker 1: Now you can pick people apart. Because you can sit
[53:55] Speaker 1: there and hold the ball like this. It's like Muggsy
[53:58] Speaker 1: Ball down there. You can turn and face.
[54:00] Speaker 3: Look.
[54:00] Speaker 1: You can start picking people apart. There's nothing they can do.
[54:06] Speaker 1: But because you play small when you have the ball.
[54:10] Speaker 1: Once you want to make your move, you play big.
[54:12] Speaker 1: But once you're trying to do your moves, you're smaller.
[54:16] Speaker 1: So play long. Catch it high. Keep it high.
[54:20] Speaker 3: Look.
[54:21] Speaker 1: There's back doors that's coming. You get to be your pitcher.
[54:25] Speaker 1: You get to sit here and pitch passes.
[54:27] Speaker 3: What's your scouting report for Wamby? What's my scouting report
[54:32] Speaker 3: for Wimby right now? Double team.
[54:35] Speaker 1: No.
[54:36] Speaker 3: Nah.
[54:37] Speaker 7: So we come in the locker room. We come in
[54:38] Speaker 7: the locker room. You doing the scout. Lay the paper.
[54:43] Speaker 7: Give everybody the paper. What's your scouting report? What's your
[54:46] Speaker 7: scouting report for Wimby? My scouting report would be push
[54:50] Speaker 7: him off the block, push him off his pocket.
[54:52] Speaker 3: Rough him up a little bit. Help as soon as
[54:54] Speaker 3: he catch. We digging on every dribble.
[54:56] Speaker 7: We might double on every dribble if we need to,
[54:59] Speaker 7: depending on if he's making shots.
[55:00] Speaker 3: I'm doubling on every dribble because it's too.
[55:03] Speaker 7: If he's bringing the ball up the floor, we're on
[55:05] Speaker 7: the nail. We elbows and boxes. We're making him shoot jumpers.
[55:10] Speaker 7: What's your scouting report?
[55:11] Speaker 6: We do the same thing. We do the same thing
[55:14] Speaker 6: to Kobe and them two in the post.
[55:16] Speaker 3: Mellow.
[55:17] Speaker 6: They still score 30 and 40 on us.
[55:19] Speaker 1: I'm going to put. I'm going to put.
[55:21] Speaker 9: I'm going to let them catch it like you said.
[55:23] Speaker 9: Bump him off, and when he make his move, we
[55:25] Speaker 9: gonna dig.
[55:26] Speaker 7: If we look at the film, just now, they pushed
[55:29] Speaker 7: him off the block, and then they fronted the post.
[55:31] Speaker 3: You gotta make quicker decisions. And then made him throw
[55:34] Speaker 3: it over top.
[55:35] Speaker 1: The scatter report on him is you put a small.
[55:38] Speaker 3: Guy on him that takes away his power.
[55:41] Speaker 1: His superpower is he can dribble and make moves and
[55:44] Speaker 1: create his own shots. So you put a three... Taller too,
[55:48] Speaker 1: but you put Vando and Rui on him, right, where
[55:52] Speaker 1: he can't put the ball down, which now takes away
[55:54] Speaker 1: that part of the game. If he tries to do
[55:56] Speaker 1: pick and pop and pick and roll, you have a
[55:58] Speaker 1: guard under him. He's not comfortable catching and just shooting
[56:00] Speaker 1: like that. That's the weakness. His post-up is a weakness.
[56:03] Speaker 1: So now if he wants to take this guard down there, right,
[56:07] Speaker 1: because he doesn't know how to turn and face and shoot,
[56:09] Speaker 1: he's going to want to put it down. That's when
[56:11] Speaker 1: you dig down. So you put a smaller guy on him.
[56:15] Speaker 3: Right?
[56:16] Speaker 2: You put your Vandos on him. You put your Ruiz
[56:18] Speaker 2: on him.
[56:18] Speaker 3: Shit, they even had Marcus Smart on him. Caruso. Right?
[56:20] Speaker 1: Because he's not going to take it. The Caruso's going
[56:22] Speaker 1: to guard him.
[56:23] Speaker 14: Right?
[56:23] Speaker 1: They're not going to put a hold check on him.
[56:24] Speaker 1: They're going to put a Caruso or Dort on him
[56:27] Speaker 1: to take away his dribbling powers.
[56:30] Speaker 3: Right?
[56:30] Speaker 2: You're going to take away his dribbling.
[56:31] Speaker 3: Right?
[56:31] Speaker 1: So he can't sit there and play with the ball.
[56:33] Speaker 1: Then he's isolated in a game that he don't even
[56:35] Speaker 1: have yet. That's the scouting. That's what Phoenix did. That's
[56:39] Speaker 1: what Lakers did. I'm not going to put my big
[56:42] Speaker 1: man on him.
[56:42] Speaker 7: So the first four games, what teams allowed him to
[56:45] Speaker 7: do was go one-on-one against the bid and get comfortable.
[56:48] Speaker 7: And they didn't clog the paint. They didn't close the lanes.
[56:52] Speaker 7: They didn't help on the nail. They didn't dig on
[56:54] Speaker 7: the dribbles. To me, what I've been saying is this
[56:58] Speaker 7: is old school defense. This is regular defense that the
[57:02] Speaker 7: NBA has taken out because we haven't had threats like
[57:05] Speaker 7: Wimby that make you say, listen, man, let's get back
[57:08] Speaker 7: to the old school shell. He's killing us with this.
[57:11] Speaker 7: Let's shrink the floor. Let's make those guys beat us
[57:14] Speaker 7: from the outside. Let's make him take tough shots. Nothing
[57:18] Speaker 7: at the rim. Oh, yeah. Well, the way he's playing.
[57:21] Speaker 3: San Antonio?
[57:22] Speaker 7: Against a big like him. Not San Antonio, but just
[57:25] Speaker 7: a big player. If it was Joel Embiid, you would
[57:28] Speaker 7: want to play it the same way. They don't use
[57:31] Speaker 7: it on Joel, but you would want to. If you
[57:34] Speaker 7: go back to it, you'd be like, yo, this is
[57:35] Speaker 7: how we're going to play Joel. Joker's a better passer
[57:42] Speaker 7: depending on if them guys are cutting on.
[57:44] Speaker 3: The weak side.
[57:45] Speaker 9: See, and I was just about to say that. That
[57:47] Speaker 9: defense will work for Wimby right now, but not everybody though.
[57:50] Speaker 1: It works on Wimby until he understands. He just needs
[57:55] Speaker 1: to look at film. He just needs to look at
[57:57] Speaker 1: film and watch how he plays and then understands, wait
[58:01] Speaker 1: a minute. Because I'm trying to beat them off this,
[58:04] Speaker 1: I don't need to. If they play small, I'm not
[58:07] Speaker 1: even going to put the ball down. I'm just going
[58:08] Speaker 1: to shoot these jumpers. If they put somebody big, I'm
[58:10] Speaker 1: going to. He has to have an offense. This is
[58:13] Speaker 1: when mastery comes. He has to have an offense for
[58:17] Speaker 1: each type of player. When Tony Parker or Earl Boykins
[58:26] Speaker 1: or TJ Ford guarded me, I just posted up and
[58:30] Speaker 1: shot over them. I didn't play around with it. Don't
[58:33] Speaker 1: play around. He's trying to show what he learned.
[58:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, just boom. I'm just shooting these shots. I didn't
[58:38] Speaker 3: do none of that. When I play against shooting guards,
[58:41] Speaker 3: I score. I mean, I beat them off the table.
[58:43] Speaker 7: He's trying to see what the defense is throwing at him.
[58:46] Speaker 7: That's the patience where he's like, all right, what are
[58:47] Speaker 7: they doing now? They did this last time. Damn, they're
[58:49] Speaker 7: not doing this. I believe he just needs to trust
[58:52] Speaker 7: in the shooters on the weak side who need to
[58:53] Speaker 7: get better. If you think about Luka. If you throw
[58:57] Speaker 7: some shit at Luka, what Luka going to do?
[58:59] Speaker 3: Score. He going to throw that bitch to the weak side,
[59:02] Speaker 3: and they're going.
[59:03] Speaker 2: To make the shot.
[59:03] Speaker 3: Or score.
[59:04] Speaker 2: I mean, or score.
[59:05] Speaker 3: Or score.
[59:06] Speaker 2: But this is what I'm saying.
[59:07] Speaker 3: I'm saying he's finding... You have to find... No, no, no.
[59:10] Speaker 2: I'm giving him that.
[59:11] Speaker 3: I'm giving him that.
[59:12] Speaker 2: But this is what I'm saying.
[59:12] Speaker 7: Like, when you find that open man that you got
[59:15] Speaker 7: confidence is going to knock down that shot and it
[59:18] Speaker 7: ain't Sohan or Castle, you look different as an offense.
[59:22] Speaker 7: Now the defense has to adjust. Hey, man, we can't
[59:24] Speaker 7: even keep running this, coach. They're killing us on the backside.
[59:27] Speaker 7: That used to be Bruce Bowen. in that corner, knocking
[59:30] Speaker 7: that bitch down. That used to be Matt Bonner at
[59:33] Speaker 7: that motherfucking elbow, knocking that bitch down. So if you
[59:36] Speaker 7: don't got them knockdown shooters that's knocking that shit down
[59:39] Speaker 7: for Tim, it's.
[59:40] Speaker 3: Like, yo, what are you doing? We went in as
[59:42] Speaker 3: a defense. Wait, hold on. So we said because it's
[59:44] Speaker 3: his third year. I'm not saying that. I understand what
[59:47] Speaker 3: he's saying.
[59:47] Speaker 6: They didn't do it last year.
[59:50] Speaker 3: So wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
[59:52] Speaker 3: hold on. They didn't do it last year. Because the
[59:55] Speaker 3: 18's still getting buckets. Huh? He's about to say because
[59:59] Speaker 3: he's 18.
[59:59] Speaker 9: Yeah, I was about to go back to that Cooper
[1:00:02] Speaker 9: flag because why are we giving him some grace because
[1:00:04] Speaker 9: this is his third year.
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: Cooper flag being 18. This season? Yeah, it was 20
[1:00:11] Speaker 3: or 30.
[1:00:11] Speaker 9: I just can't run that defense that they did against Wimpy.
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: You can't run that defense against Giannis.
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to run that defense.
[1:00:19] Speaker 3: You're not going to be able to run that defense.
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: If you could, you would do it. You're not going to.
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: Run that defense in January against him.
[1:00:26] Speaker 4: So Wimpy's averaging 26 and 13 still.
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: Okay. You know what I mean? You're not going to
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: be able to run that defense when Fox gets back. Well, no,
[1:00:32] Speaker 3: for sure not. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: it's it's. You have two shooters.
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: You got your two guards aren't flat-out shooters, right? They
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: still need tweaking in this office, right? Just remember, he
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: got here. They're still trying to figure what he is
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: to then bring pieces. Once they get the pieces that
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: he's going to need, then you will see his full game.
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: Even if he has flaws, you won't be able to
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: exploit them because these passes, you're trying to double off
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: of them, they don't exist. When I get the ball
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: and you try to double off the guard, that's Fox now.
[1:01:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: So there's still pieces that they need to pick. It's
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: going to be just how LeBron James, right? When we
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: talk about LeBron James' teams being sorry, they're sorry to us.
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: as in the players. But what they're skilled at keeps
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: everybody honest. You have a Cal Corbin, you have a
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: Boobie Gibson, you have.
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: A Mo Williams, right?
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: You have flat-out shooters where you try to double because
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: this guy averages six. But there are two threes. He's
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: shooting 55%. Those are the plays.
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: Those are the things that hurt. That's my point.
[1:01:41] Speaker 7: That's my point about scouting report, though. It's contingent on
[1:01:44] Speaker 7: who's on the floor. If we, if the Phoenix Suns
[1:01:47] Speaker 7: about to play them and we see them on the court,
[1:01:49] Speaker 7: you're the assistant or I'm the assistant, we like, all right, look,
[1:01:52] Speaker 7: we're not going to scout them the way they've been
[1:01:54] Speaker 7: playing them the last four games. We got to play
[1:01:56] Speaker 7: them different because we see who's on the floor. We
[1:02:00] Speaker 7: let him shoot. We let him shoot. Man, if he drives,
[1:02:03] Speaker 7: you follow him. We're going to double him off the top.
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: So... When Fox come back, Harper come back, we got
[1:02:12] Speaker 3: to change our scouting report.
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: He's the only one that's really actually here.
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: He's hitting a little bit. He's hitting. D-Fox is going
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: to help a lot.
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[1:02:18] Speaker 3: I was going to say, he should be happy. He's
[1:02:20] Speaker 3: hitting open shots. Yeah, he's hitting them. He's getting wide open.
[1:02:24] Speaker 3: That D-Fox and Whitby pick and roll is going to
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: be good. It's going to be different.
[1:02:27] Speaker 7: But like you say, if we're not doing that, if
[1:02:29] Speaker 7: we don't have that threat as a coach, I'm seeing
[1:02:32] Speaker 7: that on the floor. I'm like, all right, this is
[1:02:34] Speaker 7: what we're doing tonight. JJ is not dumb when it
[1:02:36] Speaker 7: comes to scouting report.
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: I don't even do pick and roll with him. You
[1:02:39] Speaker 3: want to do a pick and roll with Wimby and D-Fox?
[1:02:44] Speaker 3: Why not? Because now you have him doing what? What
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: do you want to do? Pick and pop. Pop. Not
[1:02:51] Speaker 3: if we tell him to roll.
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: I don't want him to pop.
[1:02:53] Speaker 3: We tell him to roll. We tell him to roll.
[1:02:56] Speaker 3: Get down there.
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: I can do a pick and roll with somebody else,
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: my four, and have him sitting in the dunker spot.
[1:03:02] Speaker 3: On the rotation. Yeah. Let somebody roll.
[1:03:06] Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, I mean, if he wants to pick
[1:03:08] Speaker 9: and pop, but if we could tell him to roll
[1:03:11] Speaker 9: and he rolls, what.
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: Are the guard going to do? Wouldn't be trying to
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: come off a pick and roll. And they still going
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: to sit on the nails. They're going to jump the
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: shit out.
[1:03:17] Speaker 3: Of that so quick. You do it at the elbow.
[1:03:19] Speaker 3: I mean, at the free throw.
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: You got to get down in there.
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: Now I got to let him get down there as
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: a guard.
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: They're just going to invert it. I don't need him
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: in the pick and roll because now you're talking about knees,
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: people trying to run through him.
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: You know guards. We're going to try.
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: To run through that. I'll keep him below the free
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: throw line at a certain point. Let him play this
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: in-between game. Let him play high-low moves like that.
[1:03:45] Speaker 7: How would you guard that pick and roll with Fox
[1:03:47] Speaker 7: and Wimby though? How would you actually guard it? If
[1:03:50] Speaker 7: Wimby's the guard?
[1:03:50] Speaker 5: No.
[1:03:51] Speaker 3: If Fox is coming off the wing, just say side
[1:03:53] Speaker 3: pick and roll, corner gone. No corner field. How are
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: you going? Are you switching that?
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, you switched that to the small guard.
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: Small guard.
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: Now what are we doing after that? Are we throwing
[1:04:04] Speaker 2: it in?
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: Yeah. No, no, no, no. Because that other guard is
[1:04:07] Speaker 3: going to be. It's going to be rotation on the
[1:04:10] Speaker 3: weak side. No, no.
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: I'm going to switch it.
[1:04:12] Speaker 3: And then now Fox.
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: What is Fox going to do?
[1:04:15] Speaker 3: Fox is going to bring it out. He's going to
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: throw it in. Yeah. So are we going one-on-one with Fox? No,
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: we're going one-on-one. See, Fox ain't bred where we bred.
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: If I get you on a pick....
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: I'm not going to now retreat back up to then
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: go back at you. If you're going to switch right here,
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: I'm going to use the space you gave me to
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: then go. Once they back up to retreat to then
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: try to isolate this, it becomes irrelevant.
[1:04:44] Speaker 7: No, if I'm going past this big, say whoever guard
[1:04:46] Speaker 7: and win me.
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: Three or four.
[1:04:49] Speaker 7: No, let's say they did it like Phoenix. Phoenix plays small.
[1:04:54] Speaker 7: Phoenix play small even Lakers play small. We got Vando
[1:04:56] Speaker 7: on Wimby and it's so Luca Wimby switch off this Luca,
[1:05:02] Speaker 7: but then you got Marcus.
[1:05:04] Speaker 3: Smart rotating over who won't that switch?
[1:05:07] Speaker 7: That's still a lob action for damn Fox to go
[1:05:10] Speaker 7: by for either the layup or the lob.
[1:05:13] Speaker 3: No, I'm switching.
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: I'm switching that pick and roll Fox and Wimby's guy.
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: So if it's Vando, if it's Vando, let's say it's Vando.
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: And Marcus Smart.
[1:05:21] Speaker 1: Right? I'm gonna switch it, and then... Vandell's gonna be
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: guarding Fox. Vandell's gonna be guarding Fox. And then I'm
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: gonna hold Wimby. I'm just gonna hold Wimby up.
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: And what is Wimby gonna do?
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: I'm gonna hold him up. No, I just hold him up.
[1:05:33] Speaker 3: Then they're gonna pass it to him. What are you
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: gonna do? Do this shit? You saying Fox not gonna
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: turn the corner? On Vandell? Nah. I mean, maybe once,
[1:05:43] Speaker 3: but not like that. I mean, because Vandals, he's a defenseman. No,
[1:05:46] Speaker 3: he's a guard. He's not going to just turn a
[1:05:49] Speaker 3: corner on him like that every time. Maybe once, but.
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: It all depends on what side he's coming on.
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: If he back up, he can speed.
[1:05:55] Speaker 9: Because, yo, just think about when they do the pick
[1:05:58] Speaker 9: and roll with Dort and Caruso.
[1:06:01] Speaker 3: But that's like you, too, though. You wouldn't want that
[1:06:04] Speaker 3: big on you. But I never backed up. Oh, I did.
[1:06:07] Speaker 2: See, that's why I said, I understood. I understood.
[1:06:09] Speaker 3: If I took the pick.
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: And roll and they switched out, remember, they didn't hard show.
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: The switch is level, so it doesn't make me retreat.
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: So if I'm at the pick and roll, like Jon said,
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: and I do this pick and roll, and then you switch,
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: I'm still free throw level.
[1:06:22] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: Remember, my first step is fast. So now I got
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: a slower guy on me. I'm attacking from the free
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: throw line. I'm not backing up to the green to
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: then let everybody low roll.
[1:06:31] Speaker 7: So tell me about this play here. All right, we
[1:06:33] Speaker 7: got side pick and roll. He rolls to the block.
[1:06:36] Speaker 3: Swing it.
[1:06:38] Speaker 7: The corner guy comes to set a cross green for
[1:06:41] Speaker 7: Wimby to come across to make sure that now Marcus
[1:06:44] Speaker 7: Smart is not guarding him.
[1:06:46] Speaker 3: Right? So you got.
[1:06:46] Speaker 7: De'Aaron Fox, Wimby. Wimby rolls. Now Marcus Smart is on Wimby.
[1:06:51] Speaker 7: We don't want the high low.
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: We swing it. Swing it.
[1:06:55] Speaker 7: The corner guy comes across to set the cross screen
[1:06:58] Speaker 7: for Wimby to go to the block. That corner guy
[1:07:01] Speaker 7: is now guarding Wimby because they're switching everything.
[1:07:05] Speaker 3: Now we don't have Marcus Smart on Wimby.
[1:07:07] Speaker 7: We probably got Austin Reeves on Wimby.
[1:07:09] Speaker 2: We got Rui on Wimby now.
[1:07:11] Speaker 3: Rui would be the guy that they're swinging it to.
[1:07:14] Speaker 3: at the top. From De'Aaron Fox is swinging it. The
[1:07:17] Speaker 3: way we go down, he's swinging it.
[1:07:19] Speaker 7: It wouldn't be a forward-on-forward screen. It would be a
[1:07:21] Speaker 7: guard center screen. Now, if you got Marcus Smart guarding Wimby,
[1:07:27] Speaker 7: he's got to switch out to the other guard. Now
[1:07:29] Speaker 7: we got Luca or Austin Reeves. guard and wimpy to.
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: Turn and shoot like you said initially. Now I can catch, turn,
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: and boom. Not a trap.
[1:07:40] Speaker 7: You can't trap because we're moving too much. I know
[1:07:42] Speaker 7: what you're talking about. That's the fast move he's talking about.
[1:07:46] Speaker 7: Let's treat it like this.
[1:07:49] Speaker 1: You're talking about there's three people over here. This is
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: the pick and roll right here. Look where the traffic is.
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: You're going to do a pick and roll.
[1:07:56] Speaker 3: He's going to roll.
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: Then this bottom guy is going to set a pick
[1:07:59] Speaker 1: for him to go back over here. So I'm going
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: to swing it and swing it. He's coming here for
[1:08:05] Speaker 1: the post-up.
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: There's too much shit going on right now. My brain. No, no, no, no.
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: We're going to slow it down for you.
[1:08:10] Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying?
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, slow this shit down. We're going to slow it
[1:08:16] Speaker 3: down for you, man. I get it.
[1:08:17] Speaker 6: It's a side pick.
[1:08:17] Speaker 3: Can we get a napkin, please?
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: The pick and roll is here. He's going to roll.
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: Then this bottom guy is going to set a pick
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: for him to go this way.
[1:08:24] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: You got this guy who's going to catch it, pass it,
[1:08:27] Speaker 3: pass it.
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: Right? Now he's in traffic now. I already done inverted this.
[1:08:33] Speaker 3: Harper's not playing? Harper?
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I done inverted. You can do
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: this play one time before I realize what you're doing.
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: And then if this is Rui, God, we're just going
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: to invert. Rui, you take the back. You take the
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: cross screen.
[1:08:44] Speaker 3: Muck it up, too.
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to muck it up.
[1:08:46] Speaker 7: So we're talking about, all right, side pick, bro. So
[1:08:50] Speaker 7: we got De'Aaron Fox right here. We got Wimby right here, right?
[1:08:55] Speaker 7: We got guy over here, guy high. This pick and
[1:09:01] Speaker 7: roll goes. We need one more.
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: We need one more guy. Where would he be?
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: We said not corner field. Put him right there.
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: So I know he can't turn the corner.
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:09:12] Speaker 7: So Wimby comes down. They advance the ball. This guy
[1:09:16] Speaker 7: comes across. sets that screen for Wimby to go underneath.
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: This guy has to come down there, right?
[1:09:21] Speaker 7: This guy can either cross around or he can just swing, swing.
[1:09:26] Speaker 7: They all just cluttered here. This usually is Matt Bonner
[1:09:28] Speaker 7: because this used to be the play that used to
[1:09:30] Speaker 7: run for Tim Duncan, right? So pick and roll, roll,
[1:09:35] Speaker 7: cross screen, set it here. Now you got here. Now
[1:09:38] Speaker 7: let's just say they throw it in to Wimby from here.
[1:09:41] Speaker 7: He cuts through. Now he replaces.
[1:09:44] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
[1:09:45] Speaker 3: Yep, or you could do guard, or you could do
[1:09:47] Speaker 3: pick and roll right here. You can do, and you know, yeah.
[1:09:50] Speaker 7: It's a lot of options, but the movement allows the
[1:09:52] Speaker 7: defense not to center in on Wimby, so he can
[1:09:56] Speaker 7: actually make a move without them digging in the post.
[1:09:58] Speaker 9: But Wimby's going to have to be patient, though, and
[1:10:00] Speaker 9: also be able to turn around like Gil said, because
[1:10:03] Speaker 9: if Wimby just catches it and just gets into his move, then.
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: This is execution.
[1:10:06] Speaker 3: This is execution. Yeah, that's more like game on the line.
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: Because now, what ends up happening in a play like that?
[1:10:15] Speaker 1: is one, I know you can't turn the corner because
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: you have three on one side, right?
[1:10:20] Speaker 2: So usually a play like that, it's not four to
[1:10:22] Speaker 2: turn the corner.
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: They're going to do a pick and roll and then
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: you're going to really pop back and then you're going
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: to try to stay on the same side because there's
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: no help, right?
[1:10:29] Speaker 2: So you're going to do the pick and roll. Pick
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: and roll is full of shit.
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: I know I can't pass. I'm not going to swing it.
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: I'm going to do a pick and roll, come back,
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: He rolls and then reposts right there.
[1:10:39] Speaker 2: I throw it in and we try to go from there.
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: It can't be three at the top.
[1:10:42] Speaker 7: Wait, it'd be corner field? It'd be corner field. No, no,
[1:10:44] Speaker 7: one time goal. So we go De'Aaron Fox, Wimby, corner field.
[1:10:49] Speaker 3: It depends on what this guy does, though.
[1:10:51] Speaker 2: This is the elbow guy. So who that is?
[1:10:53] Speaker 9: I know but I'm saying if he if he goes
[1:10:55] Speaker 9: he can go to the corner and you could be
[1:10:56] Speaker 9: right here, but.
[1:10:56] Speaker 7: He would need to hear because this is the corner field.
[1:10:59] Speaker 7: So you coming off the pick and roll with when
[1:11:01] Speaker 7: be when be diving. Yeah, he's going to come here
[1:11:03] Speaker 7: and advance the ball.
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: Oh, that's what I'm about. Yeah, the guy that's picking
[1:11:07] Speaker 3: will go for you right here.
[1:11:08] Speaker 7: I do want to build and then he comes and
[1:11:11] Speaker 7: sets this screen.
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: Boom. It's like America's play. Yeah, you know, he can
[1:11:15] Speaker 3: he can flash here.
[1:11:16] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:11:17] Speaker 3: This dude usually isn't there.
[1:11:20] Speaker 7: This is how Utah Jazz used to run their defense.
[1:11:23] Speaker 7: They used to make you pass that ball to him.
[1:11:26] Speaker 7: This was a shot or a drive, but they never
[1:11:29] Speaker 7: wanted you to finish the play. So I'm thinking for
[1:11:32] Speaker 7: for Wimby to be effective.
[1:11:36] Speaker 12: I can tell you.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: Right now if you're if I have Castle or anybody catching.
[1:11:43] Speaker 3: That ball on that wing where we're right there. Castle's here.
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: If Castle's right there and this guy goes to set
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: that pick I'm going to tell Castle every time that
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: defense player.
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: Back Turn his back, run down his back. That's what
[1:11:56] Speaker 3: I used to do. Run down his back.
[1:11:57] Speaker 7: But I'm going to tell you what's going to happen.
[1:11:59] Speaker 7: This is Penny. We're going to say this is Penny.
[1:12:02] Speaker 7: This is Castle. And I'm going to be Castle. Because remember,
[1:12:06] Speaker 7: if they do do something here, Castle goes for the
[1:12:08] Speaker 7: lob on the back side.
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. I
[1:12:11] Speaker 3: knew you was going to say that. Man, that's my shit.
[1:12:14] Speaker 3: The roll up for the shock. When he dives, he
[1:12:16] Speaker 3: gets up out of the chute.
[1:12:17] Speaker 2: So you want Penny here?
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to say it. Make him play honest.
[1:12:22] Speaker 3: All right. Because dude can't help in that corner.
[1:12:24] Speaker 2: In this corner right here, right?
[1:12:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, he can't help bump. He can't help Wimby. Yeah,
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: but he has to.
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: That's his.
[1:12:29] Speaker 3: They're not looking. It's too bumped there. They're not looking
[1:12:33] Speaker 3: for that, dog.
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: They're looking for a cross screen that's coming from here.
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: Let me tell you what's going to happen.
[1:12:38] Speaker 3: But it's a lot of action, though, Gil.
[1:12:40] Speaker 7: It's a lot of action that's happening. When you talk
[1:12:42] Speaker 7: about we're going pick and roll here, Wimby rolls. Well,
[1:12:45] Speaker 7: the pick and roll is not going to happen. If
[1:12:47] Speaker 7: this dude, before he comes to set the screen, he
[1:12:49] Speaker 7: has to help.
[1:12:51] Speaker 3: He has to be here. He's just got to move.
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: He's going to be open to support a field. That
[1:12:55] Speaker 3: was my shot. I don't have to help. I don't
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: have to help. But you used to pass the shot.
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: But it's Wimby Rowland.
[1:13:02] Speaker 2: But think about it.
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: It's Wimby Rowland.
[1:13:03] Speaker 2: There are three people who's doing it. All do what?
[1:13:06] Speaker 3: Shoot the fucking ball.
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: Right? We all shoot the fucking ball. So what ends
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: up happening with this play right here? This man right here.
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: Here's the problem.
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: Because what's going to happen is once you swing it
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: to that guard and this guy goes to set this pick,
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: the defensive.
[1:13:19] Speaker 3: Guy, I'm not worried about my guy now.
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: I got to make sure this guy don't run.
[1:13:23] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:13:23] Speaker 2: So I'm going to make sure he doesn't steal. Right?
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: So if he goes low, I'm here. If he goes high,
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm doing this already. Where's my guy going
[1:13:32] Speaker 1: to go?
[1:13:33] Speaker 3: He has nowhere to pop to. You're talking about this guy?
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: This guy.
[1:13:35] Speaker 3: This guy. So when he screens, you're saying he got
[1:13:38] Speaker 3: to help on the block. He has to help.
[1:13:40] Speaker 7: He's just going to stand up for sure. He has
[1:13:41] Speaker 7: to because he has to meet Wimby when he comes across.
[1:13:45] Speaker 7: That's the switch we're talking about.
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: I don't need a switch.
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: I don't need a switch.
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: No, because we have the lob on the weak side.
[1:13:52] Speaker 7: What lob on the weak side? This is a pass
[1:13:54] Speaker 7: to the screener. It's screen to screener.
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: Okay. You got a lot of ass in your face.
[1:13:59] Speaker 2: Screen to screener.
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: You got a lot of ass in your face. Let's
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: start from the point. Let's start from the.
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: Pick the board up.
[1:14:11] Speaker 3: Offense, defense. Right?
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: Offense, defense.
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: This is offense, defense. Offense, defense.
[1:14:20] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: All right. When this dude is picking and rolling, he
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: comes off, right?
[1:14:26] Speaker 3: Yep.
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: All right, he's going to sit a little bit. He's
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: going to be here.
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: So this guy is going to just sit here.
[1:14:31] Speaker 3: Yep.
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:14:32] Speaker 3: This guy is going to try to muck it up
[1:14:34] Speaker 3: a little bit. Put the circle more on the wing.
[1:14:36] Speaker 3: Put the circle more on the wing. So he's going
[1:14:37] Speaker 3: to sit here.
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: Once this ball goes here, this big man goes down here.
[1:14:42] Speaker 3: Right? So it kind of looks like this. Right?
[1:14:47] Speaker 15: What ends up happening is this guy goes to set
[1:14:49] Speaker 15: this pick.
[1:14:50] Speaker 3: Yep.
[1:14:51] Speaker 1: Right? This guy goes to set this pick. So the
[1:14:55] Speaker 1: ball's here. He's going to just sit. He's just going
[1:14:59] Speaker 1: to sit here. This guy's going to go under or over,
[1:15:01] Speaker 1: depending on what the defense is. They're coming together. This
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: guy is all the way over here now. So you
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: have kind of like this type of look. So this
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: guy is paying attention to my guy. So I'm just
[1:15:12] Speaker 1: going to sit here, muck it up on this side,
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: wherever my man goes.
[1:15:16] Speaker 3: If he tries to come up top, if he tries
[1:15:18] Speaker 3: to go and sit, because he has nowhere to go.
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: This guy has nowhere to go after he sets his
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: pick on Wimby.
[1:15:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, he does. He flashes back to the ball.
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: He can flash back to the ball, which my guard
[1:15:28] Speaker 1: is there.
[1:15:29] Speaker 3: No, your guard is not there. Your guard is going
[1:15:31] Speaker 3: to be on the elbow. Your guard is going to
[1:15:32] Speaker 3: be on the elbow.
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: The pass that we want is to go all the
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: way back across the lane.
[1:15:38] Speaker 3: Because once the ball goes here, everybody's moved. But that's
[1:15:43] Speaker 3: if we decide. So I'm keeping Wimby from the ball.
[1:15:46] Speaker 3: If that's if we decide to. It all depends on Fox.
[1:15:48] Speaker 7: Yeah, it all depends on if Fox advances the ball
[1:15:51] Speaker 7: to that wing, that means we're going to execute the offense.
[1:15:54] Speaker 7: That means we're going to go get Wimby the ball
[1:15:56] Speaker 7: on the other block, regardless of what happens.
[1:15:59] Speaker 2: I'm telling you exactly.
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: They're going to buck it up.
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: My guy is setting the pick for Wimby. I'm sitting here, right?
[1:16:08] Speaker 1: Tell me where my guy is going to go.
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: You're the bottom guy. I'm staying. I'm the bottom guy.
[1:16:13] Speaker 3: I'm the bottom guy.
[1:16:14] Speaker 7: If you're stopping, you're going to have to switch on women.
[1:16:17] Speaker 3: I don't have to do nothing. No. Because you're not
[1:16:19] Speaker 3: guarding anybody. Exactly. So now we flash back to the ball.
[1:16:24] Speaker 3: I know you're not guarding me. So that means you
[1:16:25] Speaker 3: literally have to do this, turn, try to turn back
[1:16:28] Speaker 3: to the ball. That's what they teach. Hello.
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:16:31] Speaker 3: He's already there. He's already there. That's why I said
[1:16:34] Speaker 3: it's already going to be mucked up. It's not that close.
[1:16:36] Speaker 3: It is. It's not. Let me see it.
[1:16:39] Speaker 2: It's not. I'm already in the way.
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: I'm not moving nowhere because my guy turned his back.
[1:16:44] Speaker 1: So the only thing he can do is try to
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: set this pick because you got Wimby going under.
[1:16:48] Speaker 7: The only thing he can do is try to catch that.
[1:16:50] Speaker 7: That's all I'm paying attention to. That's only if Wimby's
[1:16:53] Speaker 7: trying to catch the ball on the block. That's the
[1:16:55] Speaker 7: only way it's going to.
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: Be mucked up. So where are we trying to get
[1:16:57] Speaker 3: Wimby the ball? We're trying to give him the ball
[1:16:59] Speaker 3: where he's comfortable.
[1:17:00] Speaker 7: Okay, so he catches the ball right there, off the block,
[1:17:04] Speaker 7: right there. That means that guy he's talking about can
[1:17:06] Speaker 7: no longer just be turned with his back to the ball.
[1:17:09] Speaker 3: And if this Nick with the ball, Nick can drive.
[1:17:12] Speaker 16: Yeah.
[1:17:13] Speaker 3: Because you're on the air. Your back is on the air.
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: to him. I'm the defense. Your back is to Nick.
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: I'm the defense. That's what he's saying. That's what he's saying.
[1:17:22] Speaker 3: You're with me.
[1:17:22] Speaker 2: This is what's happening.
[1:17:24] Speaker 1: You're with me. You're setting the screen. This guy has
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: the ball over here. You're my guy.
[1:17:29] Speaker 3: So you're the corner guy that's going to set the
[1:17:31] Speaker 3: paper with me. I'm the defense. You're going to set
[1:17:34] Speaker 3: a defense. Right there. You're going to set a paper.
[1:17:37] Speaker 3: You're going to set a picture. I'm guarding you. I'm
[1:17:41] Speaker 3: guarding you. So you go all the way across the lane.
[1:17:44] Speaker 3: All the way across the lane, B. Now seal on him. B,
[1:17:48] Speaker 3: seal Gil.
[1:17:49] Speaker 7: His man is there. Where's his man? No, his man
[1:17:53] Speaker 7: can't be there.
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: Why not? He's following you. Then Nick just fucking. He
[1:17:59] Speaker 3: just fucking was. I'm right here. Brandon, if you seal him. No, no, no.
[1:18:03] Speaker 3: My man, his man is with him on the bottom.
[1:18:05] Speaker 3: That's a double team. That's a double team. There's two motherfuckers.
[1:18:11] Speaker 3: So where is this guy? So where's this guy that's
[1:18:20] Speaker 3: guarding him right here? That's what he said. He's following.
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: You play Wimby, sir. Yeah, he play Wimby.
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: I'm Wimby.
[1:18:25] Speaker 3: You are guarding him. You guarding me. No, no, no.
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: The ball's over here. Pick and roll comes into me.
[1:18:31] Speaker 3: All right. You coming for the cross screen. He's coming
[1:18:34] Speaker 3: for the cross screen. Come pick for me. You say
[1:18:36] Speaker 3: him and steal him, dude.
[1:18:38] Speaker 6: Boom.
[1:18:39] Speaker 3: I'm going low. I'm here. Look at Nick. Right there. Oh, shit.
[1:18:44] Speaker 3: That's not happening. That is not happening. First of all,
[1:18:47] Speaker 3: that is not happening. Breathe no line. You want me
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: to stay right here? Like, what the fuck? No. First
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: of all, you go over there. I got both of y'all.
[1:18:56] Speaker 3: I'm bringing both of y'all over here. So I'm going
[1:18:59] Speaker 3: to the open spot. Which is the open spot? In
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: the middle. In the middle. Right, remember.
[1:19:05] Speaker 7: This is the free throw line, right?
[1:19:13] Speaker 3: Right, this is the free. You're going from free throw
[1:19:15] Speaker 3: line to free throw line. You're on the outside. I'm
[1:19:17] Speaker 3: on the outside of the free throw line.
[1:19:18] Speaker 1: So you're going to his free throw line instead of screen.
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: He's setting the screen on the other free throw block.
[1:19:24] Speaker 3: On the other block. On the other block. And you
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: waiting for him right here. The other block is like
[1:19:29] Speaker 3: right here.
[1:19:30] Speaker 16: You're right there.
[1:19:31] Speaker 3: Where are you going? He's focused on getting through. He's
[1:19:33] Speaker 3: right there. Where are the other two players? There's another
[1:19:36] Speaker 3: guy right here. The other guy is on the other block.
[1:19:40] Speaker 7: The man that's in the corner, his guy is there too.
[1:19:43] Speaker 3: He's going to be open. The guy in the corner
[1:19:46] Speaker 3: is going to be open. The corner has to throw
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: all the way from him. No, it's not that one, man. Gentlemen, gentlemen.
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Enough. Enough. Let's sit down, fellas.
[1:19:55] Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on. Bro, bro. Yes. Bro, I'm right
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: here and all that's going to go with this. Nobody's open.
[1:20:02] Speaker 3: You got two guys on me. Stunt. Remember this. Stunt
[1:20:05] Speaker 3: and get back. Okay. Get back. I got the ball now. Okay. Stunt.
[1:20:09] Speaker 3: I got the ball. Stunt or stay. Talk now talking.
[1:20:13] Speaker 3: We go. I see it. I see it. No, I
[1:20:17] Speaker 3: see it. Final thoughts.
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: We got a lot more to cover in this show,
[1:20:20] Speaker 1: but do appreciate your guys passion. This is the defense.
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: We're after you set this pick. We're still you're just
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: like swaggy. Can we show the audience with your with
[1:20:30] Speaker 1: your diagram? So NBA on Prime has the LED.
[1:20:34] Speaker 3: Cord, right?
[1:20:34] Speaker 1: So this guy this guy has to make the play.
[1:20:37] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: I'm standing here to make sure he don't drive.
[1:20:39] Speaker 3: Winby's coming here. But you're saying you got your back
[1:20:41] Speaker 3: towards this guy.
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: You're saying you got your back. You're setting the pick, right?
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: I'm here to make sure there's no ducking, make sure
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: no driving. So where are you going to go?
[1:20:53] Speaker 3: Right there to the open spot. What open spot, Nick? Remember,
[1:20:57] Speaker 3: what I'm saying is where you're going to go now.
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: It's not where. I'm asking him where he's looking at.
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: Where are you going? You're going to try to duck
[1:21:04] Speaker 3: back through here? I'm on the high side. This is me.
[1:21:07] Speaker 3: This is him. This is still this guy. We have
[1:21:09] Speaker 3: you in a triangle defense.
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: Because what we want you to do is we want
[1:21:13] Speaker 1: you to go all the way over here. We want
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: you to throw this ball weak side because you as
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: a screener don't because it's not like this guy's going
[1:21:22] Speaker 1: to come down and set a pick for you to
[1:21:24] Speaker 1: come up.
[1:21:24] Speaker 6: He could, but he could hit a three right there
[1:21:26] Speaker 6: because y'all so focused right there.
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: All you got to do is roll up. All you
[1:21:30] Speaker 3: got to do is roll up. You give a person
[1:21:35] Speaker 3: that much space.
[1:21:36] Speaker 7: That's a three.
[1:21:38] Speaker 3: Is that easy? How far you need somebody that you
[1:21:40] Speaker 3: want somebody away from you to shoot the ball? How far?
[1:21:43] Speaker 3: How far?
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: Right here.
[1:21:44] Speaker 3: Contest. That's too late. Too late. It's still a contest.
[1:21:48] Speaker 3: It's still a contest. Remember who's on this team. This
[1:21:53] Speaker 3: is Castle and the Vessel. These are the guys that
[1:21:56] Speaker 3: we are. That's the two players up there. This is not... Okay,
[1:22:00] Speaker 3: but we're saying shooter. Okay, we're saying pity. If it's
[1:22:02] Speaker 3: a shooter, we say pity. Pity is the shooter. You
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: still got... Pity is the shooter. You're not helping that much.
[1:22:06] Speaker 3: You got Castle throwing it in. You're not helping. Again.
[1:22:10] Speaker 3: You're not helping. I'm at the top of the three
[1:22:12] Speaker 3: like this. You're not doing that.
[1:22:13] Speaker 1: You're forgetting where everyone else is.
[1:22:16] Speaker 3: All right. You're trying to have the screener go set
[1:22:19] Speaker 3: the screen.
[1:22:20] Speaker 2: That's why it doesn't work.
[1:22:21] Speaker 3: Y'all didn't run that play. No, we did, but it worked.
[1:22:24] Speaker 3: I gave it to you. We ran it with Al
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: Jefferson all the time. And that's why it didn't work
[1:22:28] Speaker 3: with Al Jefferson against us. It always worked. It always worked.
[1:22:31] Speaker 3: That's why, because you had telephones, team.
[1:22:33] Speaker 1: And I'm just going to sit there because you want to.
[1:22:35] Speaker 3: Go all the way back. I'm coming up. I'm trying
[1:22:37] Speaker 3: to tell you.
[1:22:39] Speaker 7: No, but this is about the Spurs.
[1:22:46] Speaker 1: Because your guy who sat on the screen has nowhere
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: to go if the play is not for him because
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: then I just sit. Now, if you try some tricky
[1:22:56] Speaker 1: shit where the guy who's setting a pick on Wimby
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: is getting another pick down.
[1:23:02] Speaker 3: That's America's play. Even if that tried that, we have
[1:23:05] Speaker 3: the guard on his wing. Yes, jump switch. It's a
[1:23:08] Speaker 3: dumb play. It's been a dumb play. That's why they
[1:23:10] Speaker 3: don't run. The whole play is to get Wimby the ball.
[1:23:12] Speaker 3: That's a play. The whole play is to get Wimby
[1:23:15] Speaker 3: the ball.
[1:23:16] Speaker 4: A very stellar Wimby discussion, but we got to keep
[1:23:19] Speaker 4: this thing moving.
[1:23:19] Speaker 3: We did ask to chat.
[1:23:21] Speaker 2: We did ask to chat.
[1:23:22] Speaker 3: Give it up. Give it up.
[1:23:28] Speaker 2: I appreciate it, y'all gentlemen. You see what I'm saying?
[1:23:29] Speaker 2: Nobody's posting up.
[1:23:30] Speaker 3: Draymond wasn't posting up. Draymond wasn't posting up. That was
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: the decoy. Yes, he was the decoy. But Wimpy's not
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: the decoy in this position.
[1:23:39] Speaker 2: I know, I know.
[1:23:40] Speaker 7: Wimpy's the dude that's going to score it. Ray Ma
[1:23:43] Speaker 7: used to have a fucking layup.
[1:23:46] Speaker 3: I'm saying we're shooters. I'm talking about what I would do. Like,
[1:23:49] Speaker 3: what we did. We did that shit.
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: Nigga, that was our play. You said to pay for Brennan.
[1:23:54] Speaker 1: We're not paying for Brennan. We're going to set the
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: down pick for you to.
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: Come up top.
[1:23:57] Speaker 7: But if Brennan was open down there, silly, you throw
[1:23:59] Speaker 7: it to him, he's going to dunk that bitch because.
[1:24:00] Speaker 3: He's right there. I'm standing there. Right there.
[1:24:03] Speaker 7: If you're standing there, that means you're bad bitches because
[1:24:06] Speaker 7: we're coming up.
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: Someone's open. Someone's open.
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: So why did we create a play for the bottom
[1:24:15] Speaker 1: guy to go back up top to shoot the three?
[1:24:18] Speaker 1: It's because these were sitting here because, right, they're just
[1:24:22] Speaker 1: sitting here. So your man is sitting here. So we're
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: going to run me, come down, set a pick on you.
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: And your guy comes up. That's where you get the
[1:24:30] Speaker 1: top of the three.
[1:24:30] Speaker 3: If they didn't guard it right, Brandon was getting a dunk.
[1:24:34] Speaker 7: If they didn't guard it the way they needed to
[1:24:36] Speaker 7: for you to come set the screen and come off
[1:24:37] Speaker 7: the screen.
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: There's no way you're getting a dunk because I'm the
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: guy who's got who's setting the screen, dog, is just
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: sitting there looking for it.
[1:24:46] Speaker 7: But if that guy is chasing you, if I say
[1:24:50] Speaker 7: I'm not going to stay here and wait on Brandon
[1:24:52] Speaker 7: because they're not going to throw it to him and
[1:24:54] Speaker 7: they're not going to dunk it, I'm just going to
[1:24:55] Speaker 7: stay with mine.
[1:24:56] Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I'm staying with Gil all the way. Oh,
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: now you're changing the defense. No, I'm saying if you're
[1:25:01] Speaker 3: the guy that's going to stop here because... you know
[1:25:04] Speaker 3: that y'all are.
[1:25:05] Speaker 2: Switching on the back side. Trying to give it to Wimby.
[1:25:07] Speaker 7: If we're not going to give it to Wimby, That
[1:25:11] Speaker 7: means I can stay.
[1:25:11] Speaker 3: On you because the play's for you.
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: If you're not giving it to Wimby, then there's no
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: point of running that play.
[1:25:17] Speaker 6: It was two sausages in the fire, fam.
[1:25:19] Speaker 4: We asked the chat, has the NBA figured out how
[1:25:21] Speaker 4: to stop Wimby? 70% of the chat says no. Let's
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[1:26:14] Speaker 3: My dog. Blueface, we got the blueface. On the undercar,
[1:26:18] Speaker 3: everybody on the couch got a blueface.
[1:26:19] Speaker 1: Blueface about to be redface after my dog get done
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: with him.
[1:26:24] Speaker 2: Beat the dog shit out of him.
[1:26:25] Speaker 3: Wait, what happened? The amber lambs come in. The amber lambs.
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: Call the amber lambs.
[1:26:32] Speaker 3: When?
[1:26:33] Speaker 2: When he lose like 75 pounds. Get back skinny. After
[1:26:37] Speaker 2: you get reacclimated.
[1:26:38] Speaker 3: We don't want that prison.
[1:26:39] Speaker 2: We don't want that prison wait. We don't want that
[1:26:41] Speaker 2: prison wait. We don't want that prison wait.
[1:26:43] Speaker 3: I'm Jamie Foxx up in Ali.
[1:26:44] Speaker 2: I'm in the prison fight.
[1:26:46] Speaker 3: No, no, no. I'm Jamie Foxx. No, no, no.
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: Come on, man.
[1:26:49] Speaker 3: Come on, champ. In jail? That's why we don't want
[1:26:52] Speaker 3: the prison wait. We don't.
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[1:26:53] Speaker 2: He going to have to get stressed. He going to
[1:26:54] Speaker 2: have to get stressed back.
[1:26:55] Speaker 1: He had to come back to the streets, get stressed
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: a little bit, lose that weight, get back skinny. Get
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: that skinny blue face. Let's keep this thing moving. You're
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: going to knock him out. The Mavs were back in
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: action Wednesday night.
[1:27:07] Speaker 3: Hey, man, stop rushing us, dog.
[1:27:09] Speaker 2: Yo, it's 1 o'clock. Y'all niggas spent 45 minutes doing
[1:27:12] Speaker 2: Wimby breakdown.
[1:27:14] Speaker 3: Forty-five.
[1:27:14] Speaker 13: And?
[1:27:14] Speaker 7: That's what the fans be wantin'. That I don't know.
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: And? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
[1:27:21] Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
[1:27:22] Speaker 7: I don't know.
[1:27:23] Speaker 6: I don't know.
[1:27:24] Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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[1:27:27] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[1:27:27] Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I
[1:27:29] Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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[1:27:33] Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
[1:27:35] Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:27:36] Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I
[1:27:38] Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
[1:27:40] Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
[1:27:41] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[1:27:42] Speaker 3: I don't know. The clipboard. I'd like to think about it.
[1:27:46] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:27:46] Speaker 3: Let's keep moving.
[1:27:47] Speaker 4: So, Mavs are back in action Wednesday night, taking on
[1:27:49] Speaker 4: the Zionist Pelicans with the loser falling into last place
[1:27:53] Speaker 4: in the Western Conference. AD misses third straight game while
[1:27:55] Speaker 4: dealing with a calf injury. And with the Mavs' rough
[1:27:58] Speaker 4: start so far this season, head coach Jason Kidd made
[1:28:00] Speaker 4: the decision to bench Klay Thompson, move D'Angelo Russell into
[1:28:04] Speaker 4: the starting lineup, also known as Little D-Lo, here in
[1:28:06] Speaker 4: Gills Arena presented by Underdog Woo-Woo. So the D-Lo move
[1:28:09] Speaker 4: was to lessen the burden of flag handling the Mavs'
[1:28:11] Speaker 4: point guard responsibilities. Coming into the game, Klay was averaging
[1:28:14] Speaker 4: eight points while shooting 32% from the field, 26% from distance,
[1:28:16] Speaker 4: which are all.
[1:28:20] Speaker 3: Career lows.
[1:28:20] Speaker 4: While having D'Lo on the floor proved beneficial for Cooper Flagg,
[1:28:23] Speaker 4: it wasn't enough to get the Mavs back on track.
[1:28:26] Speaker 4: Let's take a look at some of the highlights, if
[1:28:28] Speaker 4: we can, please. So, oh, you see Flagg out here.
[1:28:34] Speaker 4: Flagg led the Mavs in scoring in the game, finishing
[1:28:37] Speaker 4: with 20 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 steals. He was
[1:28:40] Speaker 4: 8 for 19 from the field. So, Flagg is the
[1:28:42] Speaker 4: youngest player since LeBron James to reach 100-plus points, 20-plus rebounds.
[1:28:46] Speaker 3: And 20-plus assists in the season.
[1:28:49] Speaker 4: D-Lo, like I mentioned, in the starting lineup, finished with
[1:28:51] Speaker 4: 9 points and 3 assists in his 21 minutes of action.
[1:28:54] Speaker 3: Easy work.
[1:28:54] Speaker 2: While Klay Thompson came off the bench. Easy work.
[1:28:57] Speaker 4: Had season highs with 11 points, including three three-pointers made
[1:29:00] Speaker 4: in his 21 minutes of action. Look at Cooper Flagg.
[1:29:04] Speaker 4: So with the Mavs down late in the game, Flagg
[1:29:08] Speaker 4: had a chance to send it to OT. But let's
[1:29:11] Speaker 4: watch him.
[1:29:14] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:29:15] Speaker 4: That's an American Caucasian right there. But with the Mavs down.
[1:29:22] Speaker 7: All this shot, man.
[1:29:23] Speaker 3: Mavs down two late in the game.
[1:29:24] Speaker 4: Flag had a chance to stand in OT, but missed
[1:29:26] Speaker 4: a 15-footer as the Pelicans went on to get the win.
[1:29:29] Speaker 4: Mavs have lost four of their last five games, had
[1:29:32] Speaker 4: the worst offensive rating in the league. After the game,
[1:29:34] Speaker 4: Flag had this to say about the tough start to
[1:29:37] Speaker 4: his rookie season.
[1:29:38] Speaker 17: I mean, for me, it's the most I've lost since,
[1:29:42] Speaker 17: you know, I think ever. So, you know, it's obviously
[1:29:45] Speaker 17: a lot different and You have to adapt to just
[1:29:47] Speaker 17: playing a lot more games and get used to that.
[1:29:51] Speaker 17: But I wouldn't say anybody's happy. Guys are obviously trying
[1:29:55] Speaker 17: to stay level-headed and know that we've got a lot
[1:29:57] Speaker 17: more games to go and it's still really early. But
[1:30:00] Speaker 17: speaking personally, I know it's not fun to just keep
[1:30:03] Speaker 17: losing and losing games. I'd like to make a change
[1:30:06] Speaker 17: and hopefully start making steps in the right direction.
[1:30:09] Speaker 4: Flagg is playing the second most minutes per game amongst
[1:30:12] Speaker 4: rookies this season but has one of the worst plus-minus
[1:30:14] Speaker 4: averages ever.
[1:30:15] Speaker 2: Amongst all rookies through eight games.
[1:30:17] Speaker 4: Flagg's averaging 14 points, seven rebounds, three assists with 39-29,
[1:30:22] Speaker 4: 100 shooting splits, has made all of his free throws.
[1:30:25] Speaker 4: But corporate cemetery, Larry, obviously Flagg disrespected you before the
[1:30:31] Speaker 4: season started. You said you were gonna be on his head.
[1:30:34] Speaker 4: All season.
[1:30:34] Speaker 3: He didn't. The base guy. He need to know his history, Gil.
[1:30:37] Speaker 3: He didn't disrespect. The base guy.
[1:30:39] Speaker 2: That's not disrespect.
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: He disrespected NBA history and black history.
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: He didn't know who he was. And black history.
[1:30:45] Speaker 2: And black history.
[1:30:46] Speaker 3: And black history. And we get close to February, Cooper. Juneteenth.
[1:30:50] Speaker 3: He got to respect Juneteenth, man.
[1:30:52] Speaker 1: Shit.
[1:30:52] Speaker 3: About to pop out on him.
[1:30:53] Speaker 2: But how would you grade Cooper Flagg's rookie season so far?
[1:30:58] Speaker 7: You know, he's going through the ups and downs and
[1:31:00] Speaker 7: understanding that his league is not college and high school, and,
[1:31:04] Speaker 7: you know, when you make that leap from where you are,
[1:31:09] Speaker 7: you know it's a different type of game. I mean,
[1:31:12] Speaker 7: when we got to the league, the first thing I
[1:31:14] Speaker 7: learned was it's a quick turnaround. You know, in college
[1:31:18] Speaker 7: you had at least a week to kind of harp
[1:31:20] Speaker 7: on that loss or that win. You kind of had
[1:31:24] Speaker 7: four days of practice to bounce back, but now it's
[1:31:26] Speaker 7: like you got to bounce back to back.
[1:31:28] Speaker 3: Bro, you can't sit around thinking about what just happened.
[1:31:31] Speaker 3: Quick turnaround.
[1:31:32] Speaker 2: Got another one.
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: And a lot of the vets will tell you that, like, hey, bro,
[1:31:37] Speaker 3: put that shit behind you. You got another game.
[1:31:39] Speaker 7: So for him, it's just, you know, bouncing back, understanding
[1:31:42] Speaker 7: it's a man's league now. And you're going to have
[1:31:46] Speaker 7: some bad games. You're going to have some good games.
[1:31:48] Speaker 7: You just got to be able to know how to
[1:31:49] Speaker 7: bounce back from them. And I think Jason Kidd and
[1:31:53] Speaker 7: them got to be kicking themselves in the ass right now.
[1:31:55] Speaker 3: It's nasty how.
[1:31:56] Speaker 7: They started the season experimenting on him when he could
[1:31:59] Speaker 7: have been playing better. I'm not saying he would be
[1:32:02] Speaker 7: exponentially better, but his feel of the game, the plus
[1:32:05] Speaker 7: minus is nasty based on the position he was put in.
[1:32:09] Speaker 7: And I think not having confidence in D'Lo to actually
[1:32:12] Speaker 7: put Cooper in positions to whether it's assists or not,
[1:32:17] Speaker 7: like what D'Lo do is he manages to get, he
[1:32:20] Speaker 7: is a game manager.
[1:32:22] Speaker 3: He ain't going to do anything extraordinary. He hit open
[1:32:24] Speaker 3: shots when he can.
[1:32:25] Speaker 7: He's not going to go out there and give you
[1:32:26] Speaker 7: 10 assists, but he will manage the game like a
[1:32:29] Speaker 7: point guard. And when you put Cooper in a position
[1:32:31] Speaker 7: where he has to do those things, he's out of
[1:32:33] Speaker 7: position now.
[1:32:35] Speaker 3: And now you look at Klay. Klay really looking like
[1:32:39] Speaker 3: Duncan Penderhughes out there.
[1:32:42] Speaker 7: Like he's looking like he really on some other shit
[1:32:45] Speaker 7: out there. Are you young kids out there? Make sure
[1:32:48] Speaker 7: you watch class act. He trying to figure out if
[1:32:49] Speaker 7: he want to be Blade Brown or not. I don't know.
[1:32:54] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[1:32:56] Speaker 3: I'm saying. So what do you average? Eight points?
[1:32:59] Speaker 2: Eight points career loss. A company game is eight points.
[1:33:02] Speaker 7: So I think they need to get their shit together
[1:33:05] Speaker 7: when it comes to like managing.
[1:33:06] Speaker 3: Because what I.
[1:33:07] Speaker 7: Seen last night, Putting Cooper in that mid post, that
[1:33:09] Speaker 7: pick and roll mid post where he can go right
[1:33:12] Speaker 7: and make some moves, getting him in an opportunity to
[1:33:15] Speaker 7: give little isos without having the ball and wasting dribbles.
[1:33:19] Speaker 7: That's where he can really thrive. And, you know, he
[1:33:22] Speaker 7: can he can do big things if they put him
[1:33:24] Speaker 7: in position for it.
[1:33:25] Speaker 4: Jason Kidd said he wanted Cooper Flagg to handle the
[1:33:28] Speaker 4: pressure of ball handling now. So come April. when they
[1:33:31] Speaker 4: were in a position to do something special, he'd be
[1:33:33] Speaker 4: more acclimated to the league. Unfortunately, they are at the
[1:33:36] Speaker 4: bottom of the Western Conference right now, so they very
[1:33:37] Speaker 4: well may be on Chillington's Island.
[1:33:39] Speaker 3: Just blow it up, man. I'm going to be honest
[1:33:42] Speaker 3: with you.
[1:33:43] Speaker 9: I'm going to give Cooper Flagg a C- or a
[1:33:47] Speaker 9: C right now.
[1:33:48] Speaker 2: C's get degrees.
[1:33:49] Speaker 9: Just because, like, you know, he's 18. He's playing out
[1:33:53] Speaker 9: of position, which is the point guard position, which is
[1:33:55] Speaker 9: one of the hardest positions. But I think it's a
[1:33:58] Speaker 9: good time for him right now with Kyrie out. you know,
[1:34:01] Speaker 9: AD and, you know, they could just, you know, wrap
[1:34:03] Speaker 9: the season up. But I would just keep playing through
[1:34:05] Speaker 9: Cooper Flagg just so that he can understand defenses.
[1:34:09] Speaker 3: Develop plays.
[1:34:11] Speaker 9: And I just think in the long, long term, it's
[1:34:13] Speaker 9: going to help him offensively. So at 18 right now,
[1:34:16] Speaker 9: you're running a one and make all the mistakes and,
[1:34:18] Speaker 9: you know, learn the position, learn defenses. And you plan,
[1:34:22] Speaker 9: you're being coached by a top five point guard ever.
[1:34:24] Speaker 3: So I don't, you know, I see this just getting better,
[1:34:27] Speaker 3: just getting better for him to me.
[1:34:31] Speaker 6: Me and Jason Kidd, you know, being a top five
[1:34:35] Speaker 6: point guard, I don't know if you've seen point guard
[1:34:39] Speaker 6: in him or not. You're supposed to have vision like that.
[1:34:43] Speaker 6: But for me, I'll get Cooper Flagg. I'm going to
[1:34:45] Speaker 6: give him a B. B plus, probably A minus. A
[1:34:49] Speaker 6: B plus, probably A minus.
[1:34:50] Speaker 3: You know that's three different grades. He's on the cuff. Curve?
[1:34:54] Speaker 2: Are we ready on the curve? Just because he's 18.
[1:34:56] Speaker 3: No, not because he's 18. He's number one pick.
[1:35:01] Speaker 6: That's a lot of pressure rather than have games where
[1:35:04] Speaker 6: you don't dealing with the media and it's still bounce
[1:35:07] Speaker 6: back and still have good games up and ups and
[1:35:10] Speaker 6: downs of being a rookie, especially being out of position
[1:35:13] Speaker 6: for sure. Trying to think about the team out there
[1:35:16] Speaker 6: and think about scoring at the same time while being
[1:35:20] Speaker 6: the number one pick, being, having all that pressure, but
[1:35:22] Speaker 6: you're still trying to get everybody involved. I added more
[1:35:25] Speaker 6: pressure to you instead of just letting you play free
[1:35:28] Speaker 6: out there. So, um, Dealing with all that, I'm going
[1:35:31] Speaker 6: to give him a B plus, A minus, just because
[1:35:35] Speaker 6: he handled it. Not because he's 18, just shit. There's
[1:35:40] Speaker 6: a kid that added pressure to him.
[1:35:41] Speaker 3: What do.
[1:35:43] Speaker 4: You think about Cooper Flagg's season so far, and how
[1:35:47] Speaker 4: would you grade him?
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: I mean, would he have eight games? Eight games, didn't
[1:35:51] Speaker 1: score in double digits once, right?
[1:35:54] Speaker 3: Who, Flagg? Yeah. Once.
[1:35:57] Speaker 2: He scored twice, I believe. Double digits?
[1:36:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, his first game he had a double-double.
[1:36:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, I said didn't score in double digits.
[1:36:05] Speaker 2: Only one. Okay, just making sure.
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: He had a bad game, had a bounce back, right?
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: Had 20 last night, right? Yeah, he's not VJ right now.
[1:36:16] Speaker 1: You know, VJ's playing amazing. So if that's A +,
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: then Cooper Fagg is probably A-B+.
[1:36:24] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:36:24] Speaker 1: When we say they experiment with him at the point,
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: We're trying to pretend that he failed at doing something.
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: What did, what happened with him individually? Was he getting ripped?
[1:36:37] Speaker 1: Was he doing something wrong? No, he got, he brought
[1:36:40] Speaker 1: the ball up. He was doing what he was trying
[1:36:42] Speaker 1: to do. And this is what his performance was, right?
[1:36:46] Speaker 1: He's picking up. He's like, he's doing, he's playing a
[1:36:49] Speaker 1: all around game, trying to figure it out.
[1:36:51] Speaker 3: The offense itself. That's another conversation.
[1:36:55] Speaker 1: Right? They don't have the Kyrie. AD got out of there. Right?
[1:36:59] Speaker 3: The rest of the players can't dribble.
[1:37:00] Speaker 1: Right?
[1:37:01] Speaker 2: That's on just the whole scenario itself.
[1:37:05] Speaker 3: Right? He put Dallas in the top five. P.J.
[1:37:10] Speaker 2: Was dealing with doing what he's doing.
[1:37:12] Speaker 3: Klay's playing horrible. Right? So that's one outlet pass that's
[1:37:14] Speaker 3: not happening.
[1:37:15] Speaker 1: Right? So you're playing limited to what the elements are.
[1:37:19] Speaker 1: But saying that he failed that point guard.
[1:37:21] Speaker 3: He didn't do anything.
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: I'm saying, what did you do wrong? Are you getting
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: picked up full court? Are you turning that bitch over?
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: What are your plays that you are not making? Of course,
[1:37:31] Speaker 1: you're not a traditional point guard and making traditional point
[1:37:34] Speaker 1: guard moves, but you're talking about a top five guard
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: that is coaching him. We're questioning his decision now. He
[1:37:42] Speaker 1: sees something that we can't see. He's seen the same
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: thing in Giannis and the same thing people said.
[1:37:48] Speaker 3: About Giannis shouldn't have the ball. Look at him now.
[1:37:51] Speaker 3: He did the same thing with Giannis. Put the ball
[1:37:54] Speaker 3: in his hand. Let him come downhill. What? Let Giannis
[1:37:59] Speaker 3: come downhill. Everybody, oh, what is he doing? Look at
[1:38:02] Speaker 3: the man now. Unstoppable because now he has the understanding.
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: Bringing the ball up doing what he needs to do
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: with his skill set He just gave him another attribute
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: in real time The attribute that he's given to him
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: is playmaking with the ball coming downhill Instead of catching
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: it in this spot come downhill with the guy who's
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: gonna be guarding you We're looking at this guy in
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: and look at him on the fast break.
[1:38:26] Speaker 3: He's unguardable. I agree. He's faster than everybody who's really
[1:38:30] Speaker 3: guarding him. He's left-handed.
[1:38:31] Speaker 2: He can jump.
[1:38:32] Speaker 1: Now once he starts getting his handle under him, he
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: can get.
[1:38:35] Speaker 3: It off the glass and go.
[1:38:37] Speaker 1: So now he's our. 3,. 4.
[1:38:40] Speaker 3: And that's where the game is going.
[1:38:42] Speaker 2: That's where the game is going.
[1:38:43] Speaker 6: If he didn't fail, why he added somebody else to
[1:38:45] Speaker 6: the lineup then?
[1:38:46] Speaker 3: For the team. What did he do wrong? What did
[1:38:48] Speaker 3: he do?
[1:38:49] Speaker 4: Take some of the stress off of those ball handling responsibilities.
[1:38:52] Speaker 4: But they still failed and lost the game. The team
[1:38:54] Speaker 4: is failing. They don't have AD. They don't have Kyrie.
[1:38:58] Speaker 6: So failing will be getting ripped. That's the only thing
[1:39:02] Speaker 6: that makes you fail.
[1:39:04] Speaker 2: What are you looking.
[1:39:05] Speaker 3: For from him?
[1:39:06] Speaker 1: Are you looking at him to be traditional point guard?
[1:39:09] Speaker 1: I don't think Jason kids said I want you to
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: be like me.
[1:39:11] Speaker 3: I don't want you to be like me.
[1:39:14] Speaker 7: This last game he played forward. He looked like a
[1:39:18] Speaker 7: promising prospect this last game. He looked promising. The rest
[1:39:23] Speaker 7: of the games he looked out of position. He looked
[1:39:26] Speaker 7: like they were trying to make him fit into a piece.
[1:39:31] Speaker 7: Which is what Jason Kidd said. We're trying to put
[1:39:34] Speaker 7: him in these situations, girl. Blah, blah, blah. But when
[1:39:37] Speaker 7: you put him in his natural element, he looked natural.
[1:39:41] Speaker 7: It looked like this is the guy we drafted number
[1:39:45] Speaker 7: one that can give us 20 a game.
[1:39:48] Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
[1:39:49] Speaker 7: I'm saying that they're not doing him justice by experimenting
[1:39:53] Speaker 7: with his Giannis attribute.
[1:39:56] Speaker 9: So trying something different.
[1:39:59] Speaker 3: No, he didn't. So trying something different for him. For
[1:40:01] Speaker 3: his confidence. Did you see what he just said? I'm
[1:40:04] Speaker 3: not used to losing like this.
[1:40:05] Speaker 7: Imagine if he actually is in his right position for
[1:40:08] Speaker 7: the first four games and they're in a better winning position.
[1:40:11] Speaker 3: His confidence is different.
[1:40:14] Speaker 6: It's going to be AJ and Flag Show next year.
[1:40:17] Speaker 3: Number one pick again. It's confidence.
[1:40:19] Speaker 7: We all know it's confidence when you, especially as a rookie,
[1:40:22] Speaker 7: and you got a negative plus minus, your fucking field
[1:40:25] Speaker 7: goal percentage is trash, and everybody looking at you like
[1:40:28] Speaker 7: you can't handle the rock.
[1:40:29] Speaker 3: And all this shit.
[1:40:30] Speaker 2: No one said he couldn't handle the rock.
[1:40:33] Speaker 3: But he can't handle the rock.
[1:40:34] Speaker 6: Nobody said nothing because they didn't want to believe what
[1:40:37] Speaker 6: they were seeing.
[1:40:38] Speaker 3: What the fuck is going on? Why is he bringing
[1:40:41] Speaker 3: it up? 14-7 rebounds, three assists, though, 18 years old.
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: They said the same thing about Giannis. When Jason Kidd
[1:40:50] Speaker 1: put him at the point and told him to get
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: it and go, They questioned it.
[1:40:54] Speaker 3: No, they fired Jason Kidd. They fired him. Fired that nigga.
[1:40:57] Speaker 2: Because they didn't understand what he was doing.
[1:40:59] Speaker 3: Because he don't know what the fuck he's doing. Watch
[1:41:01] Speaker 3: him grow and say, oh, shit. Let him run to
[1:41:04] Speaker 3: the point. He's running to one now.
[1:41:06] Speaker 6: So Jason Kidd made Giannis now.
[1:41:08] Speaker 2: He helped his development.
[1:41:10] Speaker 3: Yes, he helped his development. Yeah, not me. If you
[1:41:12] Speaker 3: think of God, I mean, God made it. God made it,
[1:41:15] Speaker 3: but you don't.
[1:41:15] Speaker 6: Now, think about it.
[1:41:17] Speaker 3: Now, think about it.
[1:41:18] Speaker 7: I had ESPN.
[1:41:21] Speaker 3: Come down there. Now, think about it. How Cooper Flagg plays,
[1:41:25] Speaker 3: who does it actually look like? He's at the point.
[1:41:28] Speaker 3: Grabbing the ball. Doesn't it look like Giannis Kyle? Brian Scalabrini.
[1:41:31] Speaker 1: Doesn't it look like Giannis Kyle?
[1:41:33] Speaker 3: Brian Scalabrini bringing that bitch up.
[1:41:36] Speaker 7: When Giannis first started playing a point.
[1:41:40] Speaker 1: When Giannis first started playing a point. This is how
[1:41:43] Speaker 1: it looked. I got my big explosive, fast, power forward
[1:41:49] Speaker 1: coming with the ball, and his man is backtracking. That's
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: an advantage for that position. We don't know if we're
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: going to put the five on him, the four on him.
[1:41:57] Speaker 3: That's what that looks like.
[1:41:59] Speaker 1: Jason Kidd was a visionary with Giannis, and he's doing
[1:42:02] Speaker 1: the same thing with Cooper Flagg.
[1:42:03] Speaker 9: I mean, because you could look at Giannis even this
[1:42:05] Speaker 9: year at the one. Making decisions smarter with the ball.
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: Like everything, bro.
[1:42:10] Speaker 4: So, look, Mavs don't have Kyrie. AD dealing with a
[1:42:13] Speaker 4: calf issue. Missed three straight games. They are currently last
[1:42:15] Speaker 4: in the Western Conference. AD don't want to play with them.
[1:42:17] Speaker 4: Fourth worst record in the NBA right now.
[1:42:19] Speaker 3: But listen, but listen.
[1:42:20] Speaker 4: They own their draft pick in the 2026 NBA draft,
[1:42:23] Speaker 4: so does it behoove them to try to get.
[1:42:25] Speaker 2: Did you say fuck it?
[1:42:27] Speaker 9: Oh, trading for AD probably was the worst NBA trade
[1:42:31] Speaker 9: ever in NBA history.
[1:42:32] Speaker 2: Fair assessment. God bless Nico.
[1:42:34] Speaker 3: Harrison, though. I mean, I just, because it's like.
[1:42:37] Speaker 2: The 80s heard Kyrie's out. I'm just saying, looking at
[1:42:39] Speaker 2: this squad right now.
[1:42:40] Speaker 3: It can't be.
[1:42:41] Speaker 4: Does making the playoffs do anything for them? Does it
[1:42:43] Speaker 4: help repair their image with the fans? I don't think so.
[1:42:45] Speaker 7: It takes the pressure off of Kyrie and AD. This
[1:42:48] Speaker 7: is a botched year. Take the pressure off AD.
[1:42:50] Speaker 3: Both of them. No, not Kyrie. Kyrie don't have to
[1:42:53] Speaker 3: come back with no pressure.
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: They're going to go east and whoop through the east
[1:42:56] Speaker 1: and then be back 50%.
[1:42:58] Speaker 3: Bro, listen, that trade that they did for AD is like.
[1:43:01] Speaker 2: The worst trade in NBA history?
[1:43:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like... They got Cooper flagged. He's only 18.
[1:43:05] Speaker 3: You got the GOAT. They got the GOAT out of him.
[1:43:08] Speaker 3: He's only 18. You got Cooper flagged to return. What
[1:43:11] Speaker 3: about it? You got Cooper. I'm talking about... No, that's like.
[1:43:15] Speaker 7: Paul George to the Clippers. Your reward for trading Luka
[1:43:20] Speaker 7: was Cooper Flack.
[1:43:21] Speaker 9: That's like the Nets giving up their future for KG
[1:43:25] Speaker 9: and Paul Pierce and then Boston go ahead and get
[1:43:28] Speaker 9: Jalen Brown.
[1:43:30] Speaker 3: And you see how that ends up.
[1:43:32] Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned that. Speaking of Jalen Brown, that's
[1:43:36] Speaker 4: what we call a segue. Segway J. Happy practicing. Jalen
[1:43:41] Speaker 4: Brown spent most of this week calling out the NBA
[1:43:45] Speaker 4: over some questionable officiating. So it started after the Celtics
[1:43:47] Speaker 4: lost to the Jazz at home Monday night with a
[1:43:50] Speaker 4: controversial no-call involving Brown and Jazz guard Keontae George. Let's
[1:43:54] Speaker 4: take a look at the play and what happened. We
[1:43:57] Speaker 4: talked about this on our playback stream. So George fell
[1:44:00] Speaker 4: to the ground late in the fourth quarter. Celtics up one.
[1:44:03] Speaker 4: George defending Brown, fell to the ground, causing Brown to
[1:44:05] Speaker 4: trip and lose possession. Jazz went on to score and kickball.
[1:44:09] Speaker 3: That's a foul?
[1:44:10] Speaker 2: Automatic foul.
[1:44:11] Speaker 3: Automatic foul. But I slipped. Automatic foul. You touched me
[1:44:14] Speaker 3: and you're the reason I fell. I almost broke my
[1:44:18] Speaker 3: damn leg.
[1:44:18] Speaker 2: You need to get.
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: Your clumsy ass up. You're in his way. Get your
[1:44:21] Speaker 3: clumsy ass up. You know what I'm saying? It's an
[1:44:23] Speaker 3: automatic foul. Automatic. You're not in defensive position in contact.
[1:44:29] Speaker 3: contact for sure.
[1:44:29] Speaker 1: You remember Chris Paul, like somebody fell over there.
[1:44:31] Speaker 3: He'll run all the way over there. Yes, he would
[1:44:34] Speaker 3: do that. Get you your fifth or sixth foul.
[1:44:36] Speaker 2: For sure.
[1:44:37] Speaker 3: For sure he used to do that.
[1:44:39] Speaker 2: No call.
[1:44:40] Speaker 4: Jazz grabbed the ball, took the lead, went on to
[1:44:42] Speaker 4: win the game. So Brown had this to say after
[1:44:44] Speaker 4: the no call.
[1:44:48] Speaker 14: Man, y'all gonna give me fines because you can't make,
[1:44:52] Speaker 14: you can't have a mistake like that as an official
[1:44:54] Speaker 14: at that point in the game. This fourth quarter, There's
[1:44:57] Speaker 14: a minute left in the game or less, and you completely,
[1:45:00] Speaker 14: the whole staff blows the fucking call.
[1:45:02] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:45:04] Speaker 3: It costs us a game. Like, unacceptable.
[1:45:06] Speaker 14: You can make mistakes at any point of the game,
[1:45:08] Speaker 14: but right there, that wasn't good. That wasn't good. That's unacceptable.
[1:45:14] Speaker 14: And then they're telling me, like, oh, like, we didn't
[1:45:16] Speaker 14: see it. Like, how none of you see it? You
[1:45:19] Speaker 14: can't trip somebody in the fourth quarter and then just
[1:45:22] Speaker 14: be a no-call. It's some bullshit.
[1:45:25] Speaker 2: Three of them on the court.
[1:45:26] Speaker 4: Now, obviously, Jalen Brown made those comments expecting to get
[1:45:29] Speaker 4: some of his bread impacted by that. But thankfully for
[1:45:32] Speaker 4: Brown's Pockets, the league opted not to fine him for
[1:45:34] Speaker 4: his comments while acknowledging the officiating error. But on Tuesday,
[1:45:38] Speaker 4: Brown was on his Twitch stream, went in further on
[1:45:40] Speaker 4: his issues with NBA officiating.
[1:45:42] Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.
[1:45:43] Speaker 13: We all know who play basketball and watch basketball that
[1:45:46] Speaker 13: certain players get a certain whistle or a certain call
[1:45:49] Speaker 13: or emphasized in a certain way. This is an integral
[1:45:54] Speaker 13: issue for me. We talk about it, but we don't
[1:45:58] Speaker 13: go into detail of why or how. It's so obvious
[1:46:02] Speaker 13: that certain players, maybe it's for marketing reasons, maybe it's
[1:46:06] Speaker 13: for other reasons, I don't know. But the game of
[1:46:12] Speaker 13: basketball should be.
[1:46:14] Speaker 3: Your job is to make the.
[1:46:15] Speaker 13: Call regardless of the player, regardless of his size, regardless
[1:46:18] Speaker 13: of his stature, regardless of how many Instagram followers he got, or.
[1:46:22] Speaker 3: Regardless of who he signed with. Now, I'm not.
[1:46:25] Speaker 13: Saying that this is coherently going on in the issue.
[1:46:32] Speaker 13: I'm just saying that in my tenure, and these are
[1:46:35] Speaker 13: conversations that I've had both publicly and privately, Behind closed doors,
[1:46:41] Speaker 13: being the vice president, talking about the official, how that
[1:46:43] Speaker 13: affects the outcome of the game. And I get it's
[1:46:46] Speaker 13: a business, so we want to call certain things or
[1:46:50] Speaker 13: call certain things for certain players so that the game
[1:46:56] Speaker 13: is more exciting or certain players, the numbers look a
[1:46:59] Speaker 13: little bit better, and it just increases the revenue for everybody.
[1:47:02] Speaker 13: I get that.
[1:47:04] Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
[1:47:05] Speaker 13: When we talk about some of the integral issues of
[1:47:08] Speaker 13: our game, some of this stuff, it goes beyond. And
[1:47:12] Speaker 13: once again, I'll say this again to make sure it's clear.
[1:47:15] Speaker 13: I'll never question if the NBA is rigged or if
[1:47:19] Speaker 13: there's integrity issues, X, Y, Z, but there are conversations
[1:47:23] Speaker 13: that need.
[1:47:23] Speaker 2: To be had.
[1:47:27] Speaker 4: Lengthy, but very interesting. Do you understand Brown's frustration with
[1:47:32] Speaker 4: NBA officiating?
[1:47:36] Speaker 3: I know you're going to get fined.
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: There's a pecking order around this mug, okay?
[1:47:39] Speaker 3: There is. All right?
[1:47:41] Speaker 1: People come to see certain people, and you're just not
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: going with your stature, just trying to bully people, okay?
[1:47:50] Speaker 1: What he's saying is correct. Certain people get certain calls.
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: Superstars get superstar calls.
[1:47:56] Speaker 3: For sure. All-stars get all-star calls. Rookie get rookie calls.
[1:48:01] Speaker 1: He knows that for sure because sometimes he's going to
[1:48:03] Speaker 1: get away with murder because of his name, what he
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: has done, if he's playing against a rookie or someone
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: don't have his name and stature, he's going to be
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: able to get away with a lot of calls. Right?
[1:48:16] Speaker 3: We can all agree. That call they missed again. That's
[1:48:21] Speaker 3: a foul.
[1:48:22] Speaker 1: They need to know their rule book. Whoever that is.
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: If that's a veteran over three to four years and
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: he does not know that defensive rule and that gray
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: area call.
[1:48:33] Speaker 3: That's his problem.
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: It could have been one a foul or a kickball
[1:48:36] Speaker 1: because it did.
[1:48:37] Speaker 3: Hit his foot, right? Either one of those is their ball.
[1:48:41] Speaker 1: But when it comes to the integrity of calls, if
[1:48:45] Speaker 1: I make three-time All-Star and I'm a Western A, I'm
[1:48:48] Speaker 1: going to get the calls over you. Just like him
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: this year is the number one option doing his damn job.
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: He has more free throws this year than he has
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: in the past. So he's getting that whistle a little
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: bit more than he did before.
[1:49:06] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:49:06] Speaker 1: That is a Jalen Brown joke. So he's getting the
[1:49:10] Speaker 1: calls a little bit more than, right? They're going to
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: get used to it.
[1:49:15] Speaker 3: He is in that light now.
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: Where he's going to get the 10, 15, 20 calls
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: on the style he plays. He can't use the one
[1:49:22] Speaker 1: instance of them messing this up.
[1:49:24] Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
[1:49:24] Speaker 1: But I know from when he plays against Luka, when
[1:49:27] Speaker 1: he plays against certain players, they're going to favor.
[1:49:29] Speaker 3: He's not going to be able to bully Seth Curry
[1:49:32] Speaker 3: the way he wants to.
[1:49:33] Speaker 2: Right? Luka LeBron.
[1:49:39] Speaker 3: Who else out there? You talking about Brown? Brown.
[1:49:42] Speaker 2: I mean, there's only a few players that overranks him.
[1:49:45] Speaker 3: You said bullies?
[1:49:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, where he can just try to play that real
[1:49:48] Speaker 1: tough defense, right? For the most part, he's a defensive player,
[1:49:51] Speaker 1: so they give him the benefit of doubt.
[1:49:53] Speaker 3: You know what he talking about. You know, they're going
[1:49:54] Speaker 3: to give him the benefit of doubt.
[1:49:55] Speaker 6: Give him all the back to the championship game.
[1:49:57] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[1:49:58] Speaker 3: No, no, no.
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, period. Like, there's only going to be Ant-Man.
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: They're going to let him and Ant-Man go at it.
[1:50:03] Speaker 3: You know what I mean? There's just certain players.
[1:50:05] Speaker 1: That he's going to have the advantage of, and then
[1:50:07] Speaker 1: there's only like four or five that he's going to have.
[1:50:09] Speaker 1: But the rest of the team, like, you got to
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: earn your stripes. Because you talk about superstars earning your stripes. So, Mr. B,
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: I know Doc Rivers recently talking about Giannis and the
[1:50:17] Speaker 1: whistle that Giannis gets. And they said the refs told him, well,
[1:50:20] Speaker 1: Giannis is bigger and stronger, so he's got to be
[1:50:22] Speaker 1: able to play too. That's another thing, too. That's the
[1:50:24] Speaker 1: Shaq shit, though. Yeah, I mean, that's basically it.
[1:50:27] Speaker 2: It's the Shaq.
[1:50:28] Speaker 3: They got the Shaq.
[1:50:28] Speaker 1: Shaq LeBron, Boogie Cousins, Dwight Howard, right? You know, that's
[1:50:34] Speaker 1: why if you're stronger than everyone, right, they're not going
[1:50:37] Speaker 1: to give you the benefit of the doubt. Even though
[1:50:39] Speaker 1: you're getting fouled, they're not going to.
[1:50:42] Speaker 3: Right? So I can foul Shaq way more than he
[1:50:46] Speaker 3: can foul me. For sure.
[1:50:47] Speaker 1: If he tries to post up, I can put my
[1:50:49] Speaker 1: knee in there and try to hold him off, and
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: they're going to let me do that. If I'm posting
[1:50:54] Speaker 1: him up and he tries to stand me up, they're
[1:50:56] Speaker 1: going to say, wow. So there's things that guards, skinnier
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: guys can get away with versus the bigger guys.
[1:51:02] Speaker 4: I hear y'all, but I don't think that's what he's
[1:51:03] Speaker 4: talking about. Sean, what do you think Jalen Brown is
[1:51:06] Speaker 4: talking about?
[1:51:07] Speaker 7: The shit that if you guard and Austin Reeves, you
[1:51:13] Speaker 7: guard Luka, you guard certain guys that get that whistle,
[1:51:16] Speaker 7: not because of their name, it's because of the whole, hey,
[1:51:20] Speaker 7: I can throw my egg, not giving us a fair whistle.
[1:51:24] Speaker 7: When you look at that play, you say, okay, we
[1:51:26] Speaker 7: know that that's supposed to be a foul. He's talking
[1:51:28] Speaker 7: about the integrity of the game and why the refs
[1:51:30] Speaker 7: are not respecting the integrity of the game on a
[1:51:33] Speaker 7: consistent basis. When y'all picking and choosing when you want
[1:51:36] Speaker 7: to blow the whistle based on time and score, We
[1:51:41] Speaker 7: talking about outcome of game, plus, minus, who's what and what.
[1:51:47] Speaker 3: That's what he's saying.
[1:51:48] Speaker 7: He's saying, I ain't saying NBA rigged, but tie game,
[1:51:52] Speaker 7: 44 seconds to go.
[1:51:54] Speaker 3: No call. They win the game. It's Utah. Ain't no
[1:51:58] Speaker 3: All-Stars over there. Fuck y'all giving him the call for?
[1:52:03] Speaker 3: It's weird. It's a lot of things like that that's
[1:52:05] Speaker 3: been happening.
[1:52:06] Speaker 7: Like he said, since his tenure, he's been watching, trying
[1:52:09] Speaker 7: to figure out why the refs are doing the shit
[1:52:11] Speaker 7: that they're doing like they got another Tim Donahue out there.
[1:52:14] Speaker 4: And a member of the Players Association, a VP, you know,
[1:52:17] Speaker 4: said he's spoken to the league behind closed doors about
[1:52:19] Speaker 4: this and now wanted to bring it to light on
[1:52:20] Speaker 4: his Twitter.
[1:52:20] Speaker 9: Austin can get away with more shit than anybody. I
[1:52:23] Speaker 9: don't even know why that's what why he's so you
[1:52:27] Speaker 9: getting 20 free shows Why you I mean because of
[1:52:30] Speaker 9: why you tripping there's the game.
[1:52:31] Speaker 3: Hey, well, I mean, you know, I mean Luke out No, no.
[1:52:36] Speaker 9: No, no what I'm saying is no no what I'm
[1:52:38] Speaker 9: saying is why why wasn't he complaining in the in
[1:52:40] Speaker 9: the finals when he's guarding Luke?
[1:52:41] Speaker 2: I'm sure they was let them do whatever you want, but.
[1:52:43] Speaker 1: Doesn't sin it's it's one thing that's trying to trigger
[1:52:47] Speaker 1: it all I It's one play.
[1:52:50] Speaker 2: We agree.
[1:52:50] Speaker 3: It happens.
[1:52:51] Speaker 1: That don't suppose to happen.
[1:52:53] Speaker 3: The LeBron play. There's three people watching.
[1:52:55] Speaker 2: The LeBron in Boston.
[1:52:57] Speaker 3: That happened. Right? These are, we've seen an obvious, yo,
[1:53:02] Speaker 3: that's a foul. Oh, oh, the Laker, oh, yeah.
[1:53:04] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:53:04] Speaker 3: That's a, like, whoa, how are.
[1:53:06] Speaker 7: We missing these type of calls and these type of moments?
[1:53:09] Speaker 3: These are moments. But this one, this one, I don't
[1:53:13] Speaker 3: have to be.
[1:53:13] Speaker 7: We're not answering to the integrity of why y'all making
[1:53:16] Speaker 7: these bad calls and there's no consequence to it.
[1:53:19] Speaker 3: With all the replays and stuff too? Okay, okay. I
[1:53:21] Speaker 3: don't even have to be watching.
[1:53:22] Speaker 1: If the ball is here, He's asking you, what the
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: fuck are y'all watching? If I have the ball, y'all
[1:53:33] Speaker 1: are seeing, none of y'all see.
[1:53:34] Speaker 3: This is not down there. Three of them. Two of
[1:53:37] Speaker 3: y'all are watching. One is right here. One is back here.
[1:53:41] Speaker 3: One is down. You two are watching this ball. In
[1:53:44] Speaker 3: real time. I don't have to watch it. I can
[1:53:47] Speaker 3: see boom, slip, fall. Automatic foul because you're in illegal
[1:53:52] Speaker 3: defensive position. That's an automatic whistle. But that's an automatic whistle.
[1:53:58] Speaker 3: That's not a judgment call. No, that's not a judgment call.
[1:54:05] Speaker 1: This is not one of these. This is not one
[1:54:07] Speaker 1: of those. This is one guy out of position defensively.
[1:54:12] Speaker 1: You're not leaving it up to the ref.
[1:54:13] Speaker 3: And there's contact. That's a fault. It's contact. You're not
[1:54:18] Speaker 3: allowed to have contact on the ball if you're illegal.
[1:54:19] Speaker 3: He's living before he got to it. Okay, look. But
[1:54:23] Speaker 3: he's not here. If you get a rebound and a
[1:54:25] Speaker 3: nigga fall on the ground underneath. And I fall over you.
[1:54:27] Speaker 3: And you fall over, that's a foul. Automatically. Automatically. It's automatically.
[1:54:32] Speaker 3: You're not in position. You can fall right there. Fall
[1:54:35] Speaker 3: and hurt your.
[1:54:36] Speaker 2: Do this.
[1:54:36] Speaker 3: You can be doing this right here. If I run
[1:54:38] Speaker 3: over you. And you're like, I'll do the same thing. Damn.
[1:54:42] Speaker 3: I can run you out. For a game? I don't
[1:54:44] Speaker 3: know if I'm calling that. What I'm saying is you're
[1:54:46] Speaker 3: on the floor. I don't know if I'm calling that
[1:54:48] Speaker 3: for a game. That's what I'm saying. And the refs
[1:54:50] Speaker 3: hate being in that situation. Say that again. For a game?
[1:54:53] Speaker 2: You wouldn't do what?
[1:54:54] Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm calling that.
[1:54:56] Speaker 2: Jalen Brown, you just got your answer.
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: The reason these referees are not consistent is because they're
[1:55:05] Speaker 1: not AIs.
[1:55:07] Speaker 2: They're human beings. There's only one AI.
[1:55:09] Speaker 3: Meaning....
[1:55:11] Speaker 1: We all have different opinions on how we're gonna ref
[1:55:14] Speaker 1: this game.
[1:55:15] Speaker 3: We all see the rule book, right?
[1:55:19] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is we interpret how we want to
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: so when he said he wouldn't make that call I'm
[1:55:26] Speaker 1: saying I will we right and if he's reffing that
[1:55:28] Speaker 1: obviously you're not gonna get that.
[1:55:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, right now There's a hundred referees that's doing it
[1:55:33] Speaker 3: their way.
[1:55:34] Speaker 2: Yes fair.
[1:55:34] Speaker 3: Some people like score like I'm pretty sure if he's.
[1:55:37] Speaker 1: Reffing He's gonna let a little bit more money Me
[1:55:43] Speaker 1: and you going to be finessed. We know every foul.
[1:55:45] Speaker 1: It's going to be the most foul.
[1:55:47] Speaker 3: That's a foul. That's a foul. You get closer, it's
[1:55:49] Speaker 3: a foul. I'm more finessed. Don't touch me. Don't touch him.
[1:55:52] Speaker 3: Don't touch him. Good job. Don't touch me.
[1:55:55] Speaker 1: And that's what players don't understand is just like us,
[1:55:59] Speaker 1: we're all different players. These are all different refs reffing
[1:56:03] Speaker 1: the game on how they see it.
[1:56:04] Speaker 3: But they got to be healthy. They got to do something.
[1:56:07] Speaker 3: The people got to know what happened. You got to
[1:56:10] Speaker 3: take the bias out of it.
[1:56:11] Speaker 6: They can't make a call and then just live their life.
[1:56:15] Speaker 3: That's the weird part. That's the frustration.
[1:56:18] Speaker 1: Because they get penalized, we don't see it. We think
[1:56:20] Speaker 1: there's a problem. The NBA actually stopped already and just tell.
[1:56:27] Speaker 3: He got a $ 500 fine. He got a $ 1, 000 fine.
[1:56:29] Speaker 1: That takes away the thought of it being rigged. You
[1:56:35] Speaker 1: are doing it to yourself by holding it. We see
[1:56:39] Speaker 1: these three fucked up. We see who would. Just say,
[1:56:42] Speaker 1: these two got a $ 500 fine. Everybody would be like, okay, cool.
[1:56:46] Speaker 3: I don't think it's a fine, though.
[1:56:48] Speaker 7: They take them off the games that are paid. They're
[1:56:51] Speaker 7: paid games that they get taken off of. If you're
[1:56:54] Speaker 7: getting money for this next game, you ain't on this
[1:56:58] Speaker 7: game or this game.
[1:56:59] Speaker 3: That might be said in 5K right there.
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: Because you're setting an example for us. He got fined,
[1:57:06] Speaker 1: which means, okay, he better not say that again.
[1:57:08] Speaker 3: Same thing. I got fined.
[1:57:09] Speaker 2: The player's like, okay, shit, he won't do that again.
[1:57:12] Speaker 1: And now the integrity of the game won't be questioned
[1:57:14] Speaker 1: because we know there's penalties.
[1:57:15] Speaker 7: But this is why they changed that. That's what the
[1:57:17] Speaker 7: replay is. The replay was brought in to cover their
[1:57:21] Speaker 7: asses based on the bad calls that they used to
[1:57:23] Speaker 7: make that we couldn't change.
[1:57:25] Speaker 3: Now we can go back and change these calls. Can't
[1:57:28] Speaker 3: change that play. That play. Well, it's under a minute.
[1:57:30] Speaker 1: It's under a minute.
[1:57:33] Speaker 7: Think about what I'm saying. If you can replay and
[1:57:35] Speaker 7: you got it wrong. You didn't call it. And inside
[1:57:39] Speaker 7: this play we replay and I can call a whole
[1:57:42] Speaker 7: nother foul and make up for that.
[1:57:44] Speaker 3: I don't like that either. That part right there.
[1:57:46] Speaker 7: Allows me to not actually be a bad ref because
[1:57:49] Speaker 7: now I missed the call and.
[1:57:51] Speaker 3: I can make up for it in the same breath.
[1:57:53] Speaker 3: I can't do nothing with that. I don't like that.
[1:57:55] Speaker 2: What he's saying is I don't like that.
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: You're looking for this. It went out on him.
[1:58:03] Speaker 1: And then you see a Holden over here, and then
[1:58:05] Speaker 1: you call that holding.
[1:58:07] Speaker 3: Like, wait, hold on. I wasn't part of that.
[1:58:09] Speaker 7: And that's what we think. We think we being slick.
[1:58:13] Speaker 7: I was holding him off, and we got a rebound.
[1:58:15] Speaker 3: He's like, nah, nah, nah. That's a foul on you.
[1:58:17] Speaker 1: But they put you over for a broken taillight.
[1:58:20] Speaker 3: If I call out on White.
[1:58:23] Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking for.
[1:58:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. If you hold it. If you hold it.
[1:58:29] Speaker 2: If the block were a foul on you.
[1:58:30] Speaker 3: And they can call.
[1:58:31] Speaker 1: They can change the call and say hold it in
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: the jersey in the back.
[1:58:34] Speaker 3: That wasn't your call. I've never seen that. You can
[1:58:38] Speaker 3: actually look outside the play. I didn't know you could
[1:58:41] Speaker 3: go outside the play.
[1:58:42] Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
[1:58:43] Speaker 3: Especially in times like this where everyone's questioning.
[1:58:47] Speaker 1: I think they should just come out and just say listen.
[1:58:49] Speaker 2: This play right here, they were wrong.
[1:58:51] Speaker 3: They got it wrong. This is a foul, right? We
[1:58:55] Speaker 3: took them off one game, right? Cool.
[1:58:58] Speaker 1: Because we know you're going to foul Jalen Brown for
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: what he's saying.
[1:59:03] Speaker 2: We know that. But did not get fired.
[1:59:05] Speaker 1: But I'm saying we're going to know that. So we
[1:59:07] Speaker 1: need to know this so people won't question you guys
[1:59:10] Speaker 1: in this time.
[1:59:11] Speaker 3: Right, right. That's PR. That's crisis management. At that point,
[1:59:14] Speaker 3: you got to cover your... The press is going to
[1:59:16] Speaker 3: be stars. Make them do interviews after. Let people ask
[1:59:18] Speaker 3: them questions. Yeah, yeah. They're going to be the stars.
[1:59:22] Speaker 3: I actually like that. We can question them about the call.
[1:59:26] Speaker 3: The call in third quarter.
[1:59:28] Speaker 2: They do actually do that. They have a full report
[1:59:30] Speaker 2: with the fruit trees.
[1:59:31] Speaker 4: If you're going to have any particular players in the game,
[1:59:33] Speaker 4: they'll come and ask them after the game and bring
[1:59:35] Speaker 4: that up.
[1:59:35] Speaker 3: Can we see it? But not on camera. It ain't
[1:59:37] Speaker 3: on camera. That's what I'm saying. It's a press conference
[1:59:41] Speaker 3: type shit. Why didn't you call that call? I mean,
[1:59:44] Speaker 3: the murder he was doing with his hairline out here.
[1:59:46] Speaker 3: You know what I mean? He's out here doing all this,
[1:59:50] Speaker 3: marking up the court, marking up jerseys.
[1:59:52] Speaker 1: The least we can do is watch him.
[1:59:54] Speaker 3: Speaking of his murderous hairline.
[1:59:57] Speaker 1: You got to rest, start doing that and start trolling. Oh, no,
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: the league is at an all-time high. I might want
[2:00:04] Speaker 1: to make the call. Oh, the league is at an
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: all-time high. Yeah, we got another good segue.
[2:00:10] Speaker 4: Speaking of a murderous hairline, so Jalen Brown made history
[2:00:13] Speaker 4: in the Celtics win over the Wizards Wednesday night in
[2:00:15] Speaker 4: two different ways. So after putting up 35 points, five boards,
[2:00:18] Speaker 4: and five dimes in just 26 minutes of action, Brown
[2:00:21] Speaker 4: is the first Celtic ever to record such a game
[2:00:23] Speaker 4: in under 30 minutes of play. But that performance was
[2:00:26] Speaker 4: overshadowed by his fake hairline claiming another victim. Let's take
[2:00:30] Speaker 4: a look if we can. So this time it was
[2:00:33] Speaker 4: Wizards second year forward Keyshawn George, who was in disbelief
[2:00:37] Speaker 4: after noticing the stain on his undershirt. George now becomes
[2:00:41] Speaker 4: at least the third victim of Brown's fake hairline, joining
[2:00:44] Speaker 4: OG Ananobi and Ron Holland. So after the clip went viral,
[2:00:48] Speaker 4: Brown had this to say. The AI is good.
[2:00:53] Speaker 3: At least he's having fun with it, man. He's having
[2:00:57] Speaker 3: fun with it.
[2:00:58] Speaker 2: He should do it every game.
[2:00:59] Speaker 3: He should do it every game. It's his mark.
[2:01:01] Speaker 2: Man, leave your mark, bro.
[2:01:02] Speaker 3: Leave your mark on the game, baby. I'm not mad
[2:01:05] Speaker 3: at him now. Why don't they be? Why don't they be?
[2:01:07] Speaker 3: George trying to look at him like, come on, man.
[2:01:09] Speaker 3: He put his head down.
[2:01:10] Speaker 2: Beijing strikes again.
[2:01:12] Speaker 3: Man, I would have went right back. Fuck it. At
[2:01:16] Speaker 3: this point, he's having fun with it. He's not taking
[2:01:19] Speaker 3: it serious. You thought he was having fun with it?
[2:01:21] Speaker 3: Not the first time.
[2:01:22] Speaker 2: Probably not the first time.
[2:01:23] Speaker 6: He's having fun with it, but he's really trying to
[2:01:26] Speaker 6: save that line.
[2:01:27] Speaker 3: We know what he's.
[2:01:28] Speaker 2: Trying to say because he keeps putting it on.
[2:01:30] Speaker 1: The fact that we know at this point you can
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: just not go out there with it on.
[2:01:34] Speaker 3: The fact that you keep putting it on lets you know.
[2:01:37] Speaker 3: I don't care.
[2:01:38] Speaker 2: I don't care.
[2:01:40] Speaker 1: I'm not going to put a headband on or nothing.
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: Y'all going to get this work. Throw the five and
[2:01:45] Speaker 1: the head mark. Y'all going to get this mark.
[2:01:47] Speaker 3: If it leaks, he can't put a headband on if
[2:01:48] Speaker 3: it leaks like that. Huh? If it leaks like that,
[2:01:51] Speaker 3: he can't wear a headband.
[2:01:52] Speaker 2: You got to leave your mark.
[2:01:54] Speaker 3: Oh, black, black, black, black.
[2:01:56] Speaker 2: You got to leave your mark.
[2:01:57] Speaker 3: Listen, he ain't the.
[2:01:58] Speaker 2: First one to wear Beijing in the game.
[2:01:59] Speaker 3: Trust me. Every game? You spraying your head every game? Uh-huh.
[2:02:04] Speaker 3: That's sick. He got it. You got the scissors.
[2:02:06] Speaker 6: You got it, but every game, you get making sure
[2:02:09] Speaker 6: you spray.
[2:02:09] Speaker 3: Make it look nice. Make it look nice. Don't eat
[2:02:13] Speaker 3: anything twice. Got that cat hair. It's light.
[2:02:18] Speaker 2: You got light up there.
[2:02:19] Speaker 1: Y'all know when it gets light up there, start looking
[2:02:21] Speaker 1: like that.
[2:02:21] Speaker 3: Pow. Damn. No, he should keep going. Kitty cat. I
[2:02:30] Speaker 3: use the hair fibers myself. No, seriously. No, seriously, he should.
[2:02:36] Speaker 4: I have had J.C. give you the little fill-in as well.
[2:02:38] Speaker 1: You can use real hair fibers, my nigga.
[2:02:43] Speaker 7: You can make it look like it's real hair.
[2:02:45] Speaker 3: Mr. Brown.
[2:02:46] Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about one thing briefly before we wrap
[2:02:50] Speaker 4: up this show for the day and for the weekend.
[2:02:51] Speaker 4: Shout out to you guys. Two glorious days of Gills
[2:02:54] Speaker 4: Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:02:54] Speaker 3: Woo-woo. Woo-woo.
[2:02:56] Speaker 4: We got to salute an L.A. legend, a man known
[2:02:59] Speaker 4: as Huss Westside. Russell Westbrook found new life with the
[2:03:02] Speaker 4: Kings this season. Wednesday night, the former MVP made some history.
[2:03:07] Speaker 4: Let's take a look at the highlights, if we can, please.
[2:03:11] Speaker 4: The game was Mrs. of Star Power with Steph, Jimmy Butler,
[2:03:13] Speaker 4: and Draymond out for the Warriors, and Sabonis and Zach
[2:03:15] Speaker 4: Levine sideline for the Kings.
[2:03:16] Speaker 2: But we had Russell Westbrook. Westbrook finished with.
[2:03:19] Speaker 4: 23 points, 16 rebounds, and 10 assists, going 9-13 from
[2:03:22] Speaker 4: the field, 3-4 from deep in 35 minutes. Westbrook's 204th
[2:03:26] Speaker 4: career triple-double, which extends his NBA record. And he finished
[2:03:30] Speaker 4: the game with 8,734 career rebounds, moving him past Jason
[2:03:35] Speaker 4: Kidd for the most by a guard in NBA history.
[2:03:39] Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Russell Westbrook. However you feel
[2:03:41] Speaker 4: about him, show him his love. Give Russell Westbrook the love.
[2:03:45] Speaker 3: Show your love. Give him some smoke. For Huss Westside.
[2:03:50] Speaker 2: The smoke machine looking a little light, Gil. I'm just
[2:03:52] Speaker 2: going to be honest.
[2:03:53] Speaker 3: West-West, y'all.
[2:03:54] Speaker 2: West-West.
[2:03:56] Speaker 4: So after the game, Russ took the time to give
[2:03:59] Speaker 4: himself a little bit of praise.
[2:04:02] Speaker 3: Humbly speaking, I'm the best rebounding guard ever.
[2:04:05] Speaker 2: So when the ball come across the rim, I'm going
[2:04:08] Speaker 2: to get it.
[2:04:10] Speaker 3: You said, you know, greatest rebounding point guard ever.
[2:04:13] Speaker 17: I'm curious who, when you feel like you claim that
[2:04:16] Speaker 17: title and who.
[2:04:17] Speaker 3: In history you feel like is like kind of up
[2:04:19] Speaker 3: there with you. When do I feel like I claim it? Yeah.
[2:04:23] Speaker 16: I don't know.
[2:04:23] Speaker 3: What does the stat say? I don't know.
[2:04:28] Speaker 16: Honestly, I didn't even know that it was tonight.
[2:04:45] Speaker 2: I need to get that game ball.
[2:04:46] Speaker 1: Can somebody get it for me?
[2:04:48] Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
[2:04:48] Speaker 2: I need that. Too late now. Westbrook showed him the
[2:04:52] Speaker 2: O face.
[2:04:54] Speaker 4: The Westbrook started four games for the Kings this season,
[2:04:56] Speaker 4: averaging 19 points, 10 rebounds, 6 assists.
[2:05:00] Speaker 1: Damn.
[2:05:01] Speaker 4: With 53-50, 89 shooting splits in those starts. Unfortunately, Kings
[2:05:04] Speaker 4: are 1-3 in that span, 3-5 this season. But if
[2:05:07] Speaker 4: that is neither here nor there, ladies and gentlemen, Russell Westbrook.
[2:05:09] Speaker 3: I don't even know why you brought it up.
[2:05:10] Speaker 2: Gil, I'm a man of context and purpose. You've been
[2:05:14] Speaker 2: coming at me a lot lately.
[2:05:15] Speaker 1: What are you going to do about it?
[2:05:17] Speaker 3: What the fuck are you going to do about it?
[2:05:20] Speaker 3: I'm waiting.
[2:05:20] Speaker 1: He's going to be quiet and see your ass next week.
[2:05:23] Speaker 2: I'm going to sit here very quietly.
[2:05:26] Speaker 3: Be a good house negro. Be a good house negro.
[2:05:31] Speaker 1: And wait for the direct deposit to hit the account.
[2:05:34] Speaker 3: I know who your daddy is now. No, daddy is
[2:05:38] Speaker 3: not approving of this shit.
[2:05:39] Speaker 2: We're going to go to the car and get our
[2:05:40] Speaker 2: other guns.
[2:05:41] Speaker 3: Marcus is like, fight back, Joe.
[2:05:42] Speaker 2: We could go get our other gun, but Gil has
[2:05:44] Speaker 2: more guns. No, I don't. No guns.
[2:05:47] Speaker 3: I'm a felon. This is Raymond.
[2:05:48] Speaker 2: This is not allowed to have no weapons. You're a felon?
[2:05:50] Speaker 2: When I write to my PO, do you have weapons?
[2:05:53] Speaker 3: No. Westbrook.
[2:05:55] Speaker 2: You got to check the felony?
[2:05:56] Speaker 3: Westbrook.
[2:05:56] Speaker 4: Okay, back to Westbrook. I always put no. I don't
[2:06:04] Speaker 4: identify as that. Shout-out to the great state of California.
[2:06:08] Speaker 4: Is Westbrook proving he can still play at a high
[2:06:10] Speaker 4: level in the league?
[2:06:12] Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, for sure. For sure, man.
[2:06:15] Speaker 9: I think even just coming into this year when he
[2:06:18] Speaker 9: didn't get picked up by a team, he had a
[2:06:20] Speaker 9: lot of chip on his shoulder. He's playing himself into
[2:06:22] Speaker 9: another contract. You know, if you ask me, I'm happy
[2:06:26] Speaker 9: for him. I'm happy for him, man. Just keep going.
[2:06:28] Speaker 3: Keep going, bro, no matter what anybody says about you.
[2:06:31] Speaker 6: For real, keep grabbing them balls, boy. The way he
[2:06:33] Speaker 6: says he's number one at grabbing balls– The.
[2:06:37] Speaker 3: Best ball grabber. The best ball grabber. West Hollywood Russ, baby.
[2:06:41] Speaker 1: Not a nickname I've ever heard.
[2:06:44] Speaker 6: He's number one at grabbing balls, baby. That's the same thing.
[2:06:49] Speaker 6: You got to grab the ball.
[2:06:50] Speaker 3: He said, ask him. Ask him about me. I'll grab
[2:06:55] Speaker 3: that ball. I've been grabbing balls since I started. God
[2:07:03] Speaker 3: damn it. God damn it. God damn it. Shit. He
[2:07:10] Speaker 3: was trying to be sick. Shit. Fuck, Nick.
[2:07:13] Speaker 2: Now we know why he homeless.
[2:07:16] Speaker 3: I ain't homeless. I ain't homeless.
[2:07:17] Speaker 4: That's why I asked to chat if anybody had rooms available.
[2:07:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Shit.
[2:07:21] Speaker 6: Hey, can I use your aisle? I got some places
[2:07:24] Speaker 6: to go after this. This shit's kind of wrinkly. I
[2:07:27] Speaker 6: just need an iron.
[2:07:28] Speaker 3: You brought two pair of pants. Because I got a hoodie.
[2:07:31] Speaker 3: I got white beaters in the car. I don't really
[2:07:33] Speaker 3: need too much. She doesn't need to see me.
[2:07:37] Speaker 4: So quick before we take off. We talked in the
[2:07:40] Speaker 4: arena before about where Westbrook ranks in the GOAT PG debate.
[2:07:44] Speaker 4: So before the season started, you offered your thoughts on
[2:07:46] Speaker 4: the app formerly known as Twitter.
[2:07:49] Speaker 2: Now known as X.
[2:07:51] Speaker 4: Say, no debate, after a deep dive into the game
[2:07:53] Speaker 4: of basketball, Russell Westbrook is the greatest point guard of
[2:07:56] Speaker 4: all time. And it ain't even close.
[2:07:58] Speaker 3: Exclamation mark. point, exclamation point.
[2:08:01] Speaker 2: Try me.
[2:08:02] Speaker 4: Exclamation point, exclamation point. You tweeted that? September 15th, the
[2:08:05] Speaker 4: year our Lord, 2025, at 3.50 p.m. Just a random music.
[2:08:10] Speaker 4: Did anything spurn that on?
[2:08:11] Speaker 3: 350. I was with some work. I was distracted at
[2:08:15] Speaker 3: the time. He's definitely in the top five. I'm standing
[2:08:18] Speaker 3: on my 10.
[2:08:19] Speaker 2: Why is Russell Westbrook the greatest point guard of all time?
[2:08:21] Speaker 7: He's top 10 in almost all the point guard categories.
[2:08:25] Speaker 7: And he said he's the number one rebounder. He's about
[2:08:28] Speaker 7: to be the number one scorer.
[2:08:29] Speaker 6: You got to argue me, bro.
[2:08:30] Speaker 7: I mean, damn. The only thing that's going to stop
[2:08:33] Speaker 7: him from really being in consideration is the championship. He's
[2:08:37] Speaker 7: not stopping anytime soon. So I think if he's chased
[2:08:40] Speaker 7: like he'd be chasing... You know what I'm saying? He'll
[2:08:42] Speaker 7: get there and there's people keeping CP in front of
[2:08:45] Speaker 7: him and all these other guys. And after doing the
[2:08:48] Speaker 7: deep dive, it's just like, you know, Russ, outside of
[2:08:51] Speaker 7: his aggression and his passion for the game, he's always
[2:08:55] Speaker 7: played the game the right way. And you say, all right,
[2:08:58] Speaker 7: he don't got no jumper. He can't shoot it like X, Y, Z.
[2:09:02] Speaker 7: And it's like, but man, do he need to?
[2:09:07] Speaker 3: Average three straight double-doubles. I mean triple-doubles.
[2:09:10] Speaker 2: Three straight triple-doubles. Four triple-doubles.
[2:09:12] Speaker 3: Number one, though? Without a champ? A ring? Statistically. Statistically.
[2:09:17] Speaker 3: I got up top five for sure.
[2:09:18] Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? Statistically, we put LeBron at
[2:09:21] Speaker 7: the top. Statistically, he's $ 40, 000.
[2:09:23] Speaker 11: $ 50, 000.
[2:09:23] Speaker 7: He's got to be to go to base.
[2:09:26] Speaker 2: But four rings as well? Four MVPs?
[2:09:29] Speaker 3: Questionable. But, you know....
[2:09:32] Speaker 2: Four finals MVP.
[2:09:34] Speaker 3: Who was in front of him? Steph.
[2:09:36] Speaker 2: His only begotten son. Oh, point guard?
[2:09:37] Speaker 6: Steph, Steph, point guard.
[2:09:38] Speaker 3: Oh, Steph, the greatest point guard ever. Mr.
[2:09:41] Speaker 2: BC, you don't agree with.
[2:09:42] Speaker 3: It's hard. It's hard. I don't know.
[2:09:43] Speaker 2: Wes or Westbrook, greatest point guard ever?
[2:09:45] Speaker 7: Statistically, he's top ten in like five different categories.
[2:09:50] Speaker 2: So it's based on the numbers for individual performance.
[2:09:53] Speaker 3: Just one-on-one?
[2:09:55] Speaker 2: Based on the stats. Westbrook.
[2:09:57] Speaker 3: You got Steph, one-on-one? I don't think Steph is top
[2:10:01] Speaker 3: 10 in any of those categories.
[2:10:02] Speaker 2: Steph did not play in the game against the King.
[2:10:04] Speaker 2: Word on the street, he was ducking.
[2:10:05] Speaker 3: Instead of just three points. Steph is only three points.
[2:10:09] Speaker 3: Steph is a top 10 player at all times. I
[2:10:12] Speaker 3: don't care about no goddamn categories. No stats. No, I
[2:10:15] Speaker 3: don't care about that. Because you like rings. You like winners.
[2:10:20] Speaker 9: I'm surprised somebody who hasn't won a ring is in.
[2:10:22] Speaker 9: I say it statistically. I didn't say overall. Statistically, he's
[2:10:26] Speaker 9: the greatest. Like LeBron, statistically, he's the greatest. He don't
[2:10:30] Speaker 9: touch the other guys. I see you doing some extensive,
[2:10:32] Speaker 9: exhaustive research.
[2:10:34] Speaker 15: Yeah, I was just saying, how many more points did
[2:10:36] Speaker 15: he need to jump Oscar Robinson for that spot? So
[2:10:42] Speaker 15: it looks like he needs about.
[2:10:44] Speaker 2: 890 more points.
[2:10:46] Speaker 15: And he takes number one in scoring and rebounding as
[2:10:48] Speaker 15: a guard. And then he's top 10 in assists, right?
[2:10:52] Speaker 3: So when you're arguing, he gets the....
[2:10:57] Speaker 1: Like if there's point guards like John Stockton and you're
[2:11:01] Speaker 1: talking about some of those type of guys, even Chris Paul, right?
[2:11:05] Speaker 3: Top five.
[2:11:06] Speaker 1: He can argue he's in front of them because statistically
[2:11:11] Speaker 1: he's won an MVP and he was a runner up
[2:11:14] Speaker 1: a few times. Like his personal dominance on this game
[2:11:18] Speaker 1: is crazy, right?
[2:11:20] Speaker 3: If we're going to say we all didn't win. Cool.
[2:11:24] Speaker 2: Then who's the best non-winner out of us in what
[2:11:27] Speaker 2: we did?
[2:11:27] Speaker 3: It becomes him.
[2:11:28] Speaker 7: Because you're saying John, Chris, they both in the top five.
[2:11:33] Speaker 3: You got me on assists, but I got you on rebounding.
[2:11:37] Speaker 1: This, that, doubles, MVP. John Stockton can't ever say he
[2:11:43] Speaker 1: was the most valuable player in this league.
[2:11:45] Speaker 4: Westbrook needs 386 more points to pass Oscar Robertson.
[2:11:49] Speaker 3: Oh, 300.
[2:11:49] Speaker 2: 300 more.
[2:11:50] Speaker 3: 386.
[2:11:50] Speaker 2: He'll get that this year.
[2:11:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He'll probably get that this
[2:11:54] Speaker 3: year and then probably retire. So you see how he
[2:11:56] Speaker 3: was just popping his shit on the rebounds. Oh, shit.
[2:11:58] Speaker 1: Wait.
[2:11:58] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Wait. Just wait. Come on, man. Stop fucking
[2:12:02] Speaker 3: with Russ.
[2:12:03] Speaker 6: Man.
[2:12:04] Speaker 3: I got him definitely over. I got him top five
[2:12:07] Speaker 3: for sure. I got him top three. Yeah, he's top five.
[2:12:11] Speaker 3: For sure top five.
[2:12:12] Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, you got to redo your list.
[2:12:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to.
[2:12:15] Speaker 1: You got to say fuck holding on to the, especially
[2:12:17] Speaker 1: if you got people in there that don't have rings.
[2:12:20] Speaker 1: If you're going to use rings, then use rings. But
[2:12:22] Speaker 1: then if you got somebody in the top five that
[2:12:23] Speaker 1: don't have rings.
[2:12:24] Speaker 3: There's only two.
[2:12:26] Speaker 2: What are you going to?
[2:12:26] Speaker 3: There's only two that can be in front of him.
[2:12:29] Speaker 3: Steph and Magic. And Steph and Magic.
[2:12:31] Speaker 2: And Isaiah.
[2:12:32] Speaker 3: And Isaiah.
[2:12:32] Speaker 2: They try to put Isaiah.
[2:12:33] Speaker 3: I mean, you know. But they put Isaiah.
[2:12:35] Speaker 2: That's not statistically.
[2:12:37] Speaker 3: That's not statistically.
[2:12:39] Speaker 1: But if you put their careers, you take away team success,
[2:12:43] Speaker 1: then you're talking about individual who is more dominant.
[2:12:46] Speaker 3: You can't put Isaiah over him.
[2:12:48] Speaker 2: But they will.
[2:12:49] Speaker 3: I mean, they will because of the two. I'm telling you.
[2:12:51] Speaker 1: But those two championships was him.
[2:12:54] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:12:55] Speaker 1: Remember, he was the guard that didn't have the big man.
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: He did that himself. If we're going career point guard,
[2:13:01] Speaker 1: that's a sport.
[2:13:01] Speaker 2: He did that himself.
[2:13:02] Speaker 3: He did that. Once they left. Once they left. I
[2:13:05] Speaker 3: still got Russ 4 and J.K. at 5. You got J.K.
[2:13:08] Speaker 3: at 5? 5. I got Russ 4 because I got...
[2:13:12] Speaker 3: You know, you got to go Steph Magic.
[2:13:14] Speaker 1: You know, like if you're a point guard and you're
[2:13:16] Speaker 1: looking at– I got on top three. If you're a
[2:13:17] Speaker 1: point and you're looking at points guards, then he won't
[2:13:21] Speaker 1: be in that category because then that's all visionary type
[2:13:23] Speaker 1: of people, right?
[2:13:25] Speaker 2: You know, like playing a point.
[2:13:26] Speaker 1: Like him and Jason Kidd making those passes, very different.
[2:13:30] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:13:31] Speaker 3: So it all depends on how you like your– I'm
[2:13:33] Speaker 3: just saying, J. Kidd, because I love the run J.
[2:13:35] Speaker 3: Kidd has. Just the player themselves and their stats, different conversation. Hey, buddy.
[2:13:39] Speaker 6: Nobody thought they was going to see this out of UCLA.
[2:13:43] Speaker 2: I think everybody did.
[2:13:44] Speaker 1: When you go to UCLA, there's expectations that are put
[2:13:46] Speaker 1: on you.
[2:13:47] Speaker 3: Dude, they said Deuce was ducking workouts when he had one.
[2:13:51] Speaker 2: Because he was too.
[2:13:52] Speaker 3: When they was coming in, they said nobody wanted to
[2:13:54] Speaker 3: work out with him. Being top 10 in three categories
[2:13:57] Speaker 3: is insane. And then having a triple-double record. Four years
[2:14:01] Speaker 3: straight is insane. Come on, man.
[2:14:03] Speaker 6: You got it so much, they start saying step.
[2:14:06] Speaker 2: And on that note, let's move.
[2:14:07] Speaker 3: That messed them up.
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[2:14:19] Speaker 4: So we got one question from Underdog user Vento. He said,
[2:14:21] Speaker 4: was there ever a player you tried to get your
[2:14:23] Speaker 4: team to trade for or a player that was close
[2:14:26] Speaker 4: to being traded to your team that would have had
[2:14:27] Speaker 4: a big impact?
[2:14:29] Speaker 2: Will you say it again?
[2:14:30] Speaker 4: Was there ever a player you tried to get your
[2:14:31] Speaker 4: team to trade for or a player that was close
[2:14:34] Speaker 4: to being traded to your team that would have had
[2:14:36] Speaker 4: a big impact?
[2:14:36] Speaker 3: Yep, it would have been me and Steph Curry backcourt
[2:14:38] Speaker 3: in Milwaukee. Wait, who? Me and Steph Curry.
[2:14:43] Speaker 5: Who y'all was going to trade for?
[2:14:48] Speaker 3: Was it Bogut? Steph wasn't Steph at the time. I'm
[2:14:52] Speaker 3: talking about early though. It was Bogut and I think
[2:14:55] Speaker 3: someone else. You.
[2:14:56] Speaker 1: You.
[2:14:57] Speaker 3: They wasn't going to trade me. They wasn't going to
[2:14:59] Speaker 3: trade you, nigga. They wasn't going to trade me. You
[2:15:03] Speaker 3: had 55.
[2:15:03] Speaker 2: You had 55.
[2:15:04] Speaker 1: They were trading our point guard for a point guard.
[2:15:06] Speaker 1: I know that's not going to be funny, but seriously, no.
[2:15:07] Speaker 1: We're going to have two point guards on the same team.
[2:15:11] Speaker 3: Same weight, same height, Flynn. I swear to God, they were.
[2:15:16] Speaker 3: Who's going to guard? Back to who's going to guard us?
[2:15:21] Speaker 3: When he had Monte? Yeah.
[2:15:23] Speaker 9: Monte was still in the Warriors? Yeah, Monte was there. Yeah,
[2:15:25] Speaker 9: they were going to do the trade for that. Because
[2:15:27] Speaker 9: they had to figure out between him and Monte. Who
[2:15:29] Speaker 9: were y'all going to trade? We had Bogut at the time.
[2:15:34] Speaker 9: And they needed a big. Yeah, it was supposed to
[2:15:35] Speaker 9: be a whole thing.
[2:15:36] Speaker 3: Oh, man. I'm just saying, for real. Has there ever
[2:15:42] Speaker 3: been a thing? But we end up getting Monte. There
[2:15:45] Speaker 3: ain't never been a thing.
[2:15:46] Speaker 2: So y'all ended up getting Monte.
[2:15:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:15:48] Speaker 2: We made the trade.
[2:15:48] Speaker 3: Oh, y'all made the trade. Did you both go that year? Yeah,
[2:15:51] Speaker 3: for Monte. Was that the year Bogan left? Yeah. Bogan
[2:15:53] Speaker 3: for Monte.
[2:15:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:15:55] Speaker 3: So the reason why they didn't trade Steph because of
[2:15:57] Speaker 3: his ankle at the time.
[2:15:58] Speaker 9: Remember, they didn't know. So that's the only reason why
[2:16:00] Speaker 9: Steph didn't come. It was supposed to be real.
[2:16:02] Speaker 3: Y'all didn't accept it or Golden State didn't? No, we
[2:16:05] Speaker 3: didn't want it because of his ankle. Oh, y'all didn't
[2:16:07] Speaker 3: want him because of his ankle. Yeah. But they wanted to,
[2:16:09] Speaker 3: they offered him, yeah. But if Steph didn't have the
[2:16:12] Speaker 3: ankle thing, that was for sure. So they were like, okay,
[2:16:16] Speaker 3: we give you a monté.
[2:16:17] Speaker 2: We'll take monté.
[2:16:18] Speaker 5: No.
[2:16:19] Speaker 3: No, they was going to keep Monte. Remember, because... No, no, no. No,
[2:16:21] Speaker 3: what I'm saying is... This is a true story, Mr. B. Yes,
[2:16:24] Speaker 3: that's all.
[2:16:24] Speaker 2: Yeah. Very true story. There's no cap in your rep. No,
[2:16:28] Speaker 2: I forgot Monte did so.
[2:16:29] Speaker 3: I thought it was Monte had... Monte was having issues
[2:16:32] Speaker 3: with them. He had an injury. He didn't tell them
[2:16:35] Speaker 3: about something happening with them.
[2:16:37] Speaker 2: Ooh, that would have been crazy.
[2:16:40] Speaker 3: That would have been crazy. That would have been an
[2:16:42] Speaker 3: early Bucks in six. AI coming to Minnesota. Before he
[2:16:48] Speaker 3: went to Denver.
[2:16:48] Speaker 2: Minnesota.
[2:16:49] Speaker 3: He was having that conversation with Ticket. Would have been interesting.
[2:16:53] Speaker 3: Would have.
[2:16:55] Speaker 2: Been very talked up. TGI Fridays would have been lit.
[2:16:59] Speaker 2: A lot more snow.
[2:17:03] Speaker 6: Mello coming to LA, I think. I'm glad he didn't though.
[2:17:09] Speaker 3: From Denver? No, from New York. Oh, shit.
[2:17:16] Speaker 2: Last but not least.
[2:17:24] Speaker 3: What was the question? Clear my throat.
[2:17:29] Speaker 1: Was there ever a player you tried to get your
[2:17:31] Speaker 1: team to trade for or a player that was close
[2:17:33] Speaker 1: to being traded to your team that would have had
[2:17:35] Speaker 1: a big impact?
[2:17:41] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[2:17:43] Speaker 1: We was all young so it wasn't trying to really
[2:17:46] Speaker 1: Break up the team.
[2:17:51] Speaker 3: Did you try to get Larry Hughes or something like that?
[2:17:53] Speaker 3: Get him back?
[2:17:54] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[2:17:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
[2:18:00] Speaker 1: I can't think of no names. Most of the people,
[2:18:03] Speaker 1: we were just trying to get fillers.
[2:18:07] Speaker 3: It was me.
[2:18:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, we were trying to get out. I don't remember
[2:18:11] Speaker 2: any names that went.
[2:18:12] Speaker 3: You said get Nick.
[2:18:14] Speaker 2: I know we were trying to get rid of niggas.
[2:18:15] Speaker 3: See, bitch.
[2:18:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, we took anything, right? You know, I think we
[2:18:22] Speaker 1: tried to make it. We did have a trade with
[2:18:24] Speaker 1: the Lakers. Not with you. It was way before you.
[2:18:29] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:18:30] Speaker 3: I remember they tried to trade JaVale.
[2:18:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, we tried to get.
[2:18:33] Speaker 1: We wanted to sign Kobe Bryant.
[2:18:38] Speaker 3: Shoes. Two signed.
[2:18:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, we was like, we'll give y'all Kwame Brown. You
[2:18:42] Speaker 1: give us two signed Kobe Bryant shoes. They said, hell no,
[2:18:47] Speaker 1: that's too much. So they said, how about this?
[2:18:50] Speaker 3: We'll just give you Karambara. Oh, you have a.
[2:18:55] Speaker 3: Hello? Hello? Hello? The autograph says, like, no, no, no.
[2:18:59] Speaker 3: Worth too much. Like, that's it.
[2:19:01] Speaker 2: We'll give you Karan Butler.
[2:19:02] Speaker 3: And Chuck Yakis. If you ever want to do business
[2:19:07] Speaker 3: with us. At this point, we don't want this motherfucker.
[2:19:09] Speaker 3: Y'all can't afford it.
[2:19:11] Speaker 1: It's like, how much y'all gonna sign him for?
[2:19:14] Speaker 3: Shit, we got about 26 years, 25 million, three years.
[2:19:16] Speaker 3: The niggas worth 25 million. He's seven foot, 25 million.
[2:19:19] Speaker 3: They said 25 for a seven footer. We said yes. Deal! Damn, man.
[2:19:30] Speaker 2: And on that note.
[2:19:33] Speaker 3: Is that a foot 25?
[2:19:34] Speaker 1: I appreciate you to everybody in the chat.
[2:19:39] Speaker 3: Tony, listen.
[2:19:40] Speaker 1: You know how cheap a seven-footer is at 25? They
[2:19:45] Speaker 1: was paying $ 65 million for someone who averaged three and
[2:19:49] Speaker 1: three coming off the bench.
[2:19:51] Speaker 3: The backup. The backup side.
[2:19:54] Speaker 1: Tyson Chandler signed for $ 54 million, and he didn't start.
[2:20:00] Speaker 1: $ 65 million, and he wasn't a starter. On that note,
[2:20:05] Speaker 1: appreciate you to everybody in the chat. Appreciate you to
[2:20:08] Speaker 1: everybody on this couch. This has been another episode of
[2:20:12] Speaker 1: Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.
[2:20:16] Speaker 3: We'll see y'all next week.

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