# 69: Murdered on Instagram Live by her Influencer Boyfriend

An episode of [Outlore with Eleanor Neale](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1682504024), 9 Apr 2024, 57 min.

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Today's case is about Nermin Sulejmanović, a micro-influencer and body builder who murdered his ex-wife Nizama Hecimovic on Instagram Live, as thousands of followers watched on social media. Trigger Warning: suicide and domestic abuse Resources: https://linktr.ee/usualdisclaimer If you've been affected by the topics discussed in today's episode we've provided some extra resources for support and assistance below: Samaritans (UK) https://www.samaritans.org/ Find a helpline (International) https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp NHS (UK) https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/getting-help-for-domestic-violence/ Womens Aid (UK) https://www.womensaid.org.uk/ WAVE (International) https://wave-network.org/list-of-helplines-in-46-countries/ Request a case: https://www.videoask.com/fsuda4gnk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

## Transcript

[0:00] In the summer of 2023, Instagram followers of a Bosnian
[0:04] bodybuilder got a notification that he had just begun a live
[0:08] stream. He was a small social media
[0:10] influencer in the fitness community.
[0:12] He went live often to share tips with his followers.
[0:15] But today's live was very different.
[0:18] Instead of answering questions about his gym routine, today he
[0:22] was broadcasting live the torture and eventual murder of
[0:28] his ex-wife Nazama Hassimovic. She'd recently tried to get a
[0:33] restraining order out against him.
[0:34] She'd called the police frequently, begging them to help
[0:37] her, but she was let down by the authorities of her country.
[0:41] They allowed her to be slaughtered on camera by her
[0:45] ex-husband for over 12,000 people to tune into live.
[0:51] But she wasn't the only murder victim of Nurman Sulamanovic.
[0:55] After killing his ex-wife, he went on a violent murder spree.
[1:00] And this is the story of the life and crimes of a
[1:03] bodybuilding maniac. Quickly, one last thing before
[1:10] we get into the episode, I just want to give my usual disclaimer
[1:14] that I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone that we
[1:16] talk about in this episode. Everything that I'm about to say
[1:19] is publicly available information that myself and my
[1:22] research team have found online and compiled into one big
[1:25] episode. Today we're going to be covering
[1:27] a lot of especially sensitive topics pics, including suicide
[1:31] and domestic violence. Domestic abuse is going to be a
[1:35] really big theme of this video. So if any of that sounds too
[1:38] triggering, too intense for you, then please do click out of this
[1:41] episode. Now, hopefully I'll get to see
[1:43] you again some other time with a different episode, but please
[1:47] look after yourself. While we make every effort to
[1:49] Fact Check our sources and make sure that all of our information
[1:52] is correct. No action should be taken in
[1:55] reliance upon the information in this episode.
[1:58] And I want to take this opportunity to remind you that
[2:00] these are real people's lives that we're talking about South.
[2:03] Please keep everything kind and respectful in the comments.
[2:06] I know that you will. I know I don't even need to ask
[2:08] for that. Just a reminder that all
[2:10] opinions stated in this episode are mine and mine alone.
[2:13] And with all that being said, let's get into the case.
[2:16] An Instagram Live broadcast with a horrifying twist.
[2:20] So today's case takes place in Bosnia and Herzegovina, more
[2:25] specifically in the northeastern town of Gredechetz, Umm.
[2:29] Please be patient with my pronunciation in this video.
[2:32] I've tried my best. I've looked everything up a
[2:34] million times, but I have to say, I can't even pronounce my
[2:38] own name on the best of days. So Please be patient.
[2:40] And this case was another pretty difficult one for our research
[2:43] team to dig into. It seems that it's only really
[2:46] reported in Bosnian news, so it's quite hard for us to find
[2:50] English documentation of it all. But I think this one is so, so
[2:54] important to talk about. I really, really wanted to cover
[2:56] this one, even though I knew it was going to be kind of a hard
[2:59] one for the research team. Sorry to those guys.
[3:01] But like I say, it's going to be really, really worth it because
[3:04] this woman was so terribly let down by her government and by
[3:09] the authorities in her country. And I do.
[3:12] I'll be honest, I don't know too much about Bosnia and
[3:14] Herzegovina. I don't know much about what
[3:16] goes on there or what their authorities and their legal
[3:20] system is like. But I want to talk about this.
[3:22] I want to get this onto our side of the Internet because this
[3:26] woman's story is so heartbreaking.
[3:29] And it really worries me because this is a really, really recent
[3:33] case, just from last year. And it terrifies me to think
[3:36] that that is still going on over there and that other women might
[3:39] be in her position and being let down by their authorities right
[3:43] now as we speak. So that's why I felt that this
[3:46] was a very important case for us to cover.
[3:48] But yeah, just in case there are a couple of like gaps or a few
[3:52] questions that you might have. Yeah, this one's been a bit hard
[3:55] for us to research and we've, you know what?
[3:58] I think we've done a pretty good job at piercing it all together.
[4:00] So let's go. Like I said, this case was a
[4:03] very, very recent one. It happened just last summer on
[4:06] August 11th, 2023. That day, a 35 year old Bosnian
[4:11] bodybuilding social media influencer named Nurman began a
[4:16] live stream on Instagram. So far, so normal.
[4:19] Nurman was a micro influencer. He had about 10,000 followers,
[4:24] which it can be enough to make a little bit of extra money if you
[4:27] can get brand deals. Brand deals can be kind of hard
[4:30] to get when you're about 10,000 followers.
[4:32] But he was managing, he had a few different partnerships with
[4:35] like gym Ware brands and protein shake companies.
[4:39] So he was probably making a little bit of extra cash on the
[4:42] side with this, with this side hustle.
[4:44] But his main full time job was as a fitness coach.
[4:48] I mean, I'm sure you saw that one come in.
[4:49] Nurman lived and breathed fitness and bodybuilding and
[4:53] gym. He was absolutely Wham when I
[4:56] say that I mean massive huge. Like exactly how you would
[5:00] imagine a bodybuilder. He was so tanned and veiny and
[5:04] he even had a bald head that just looked like 1/3 bicep.
[5:08] He looked like he was just all muscle everywhere.
[5:11] But he was super super passionate about fitness and
[5:14] bodybuilding and health in general.
[5:17] And he was always posting on Instagram and on Facebook.
[5:20] He followed a bunch of other men just like him, and he would
[5:24] followed them and stalk their pages for hours.
[5:27] It was honestly like his biggest passion was just thinking about
[5:31] and reading about and looking into fitness.
[5:33] His full name was Nurman Sulaimanovich, and like I said,
[5:36] he was 35 years old at the time of this case.
[5:39] He was born in 1988 in Bosnia, and he had a terribly rough
[5:44] childhood. When he was born, the Bosnian
[5:46] war was already in full swing, and it was in full swing
[5:50] throughout a lot of his early life before the age of 10.
[5:53] Nurman didn't know peace. He was born into and grew up in
[5:58] a war-torn country, not knowing whether he would survive,
[6:02] whether his family would survive, whether everything
[6:04] would be okay. That is such a damaging space
[6:09] for a child to be in during those developmental years.
[6:11] On top of that, his family were also very, very poor.
[6:15] They struggled to put food on the table.
[6:16] They struggled to keep their house.
[6:18] They struggled to work and look after the kids.
[6:21] At the same time, there were a lot of struggles for him growing
[6:24] up. And it was also around this time
[6:26] that Nurman found himself falling into some bad circles.
[6:31] Other young boys that were starting to take a a bad path in
[6:34] life, they were getting into petty crime and drugs and that
[6:39] that very quickly snowballed out of control.
[6:42] There have been allegations and accusations that we haven't been
[6:45] able to confirm, so just keep that in mind.
[6:47] But there have been accusations that Neman was involved in drug
[6:51] rings, drug gangs or organised crime like big operations, big
[6:57] criminal operations. And that started from when he
[6:59] was a child. And yeah, it's annoying that we
[7:02] can't find the details on it. I don't know how involved he was
[7:05] and I don't know if he was still involved with anything like that
[7:07] at 35. My personal guess is that he
[7:10] probably wasn't because he seemed to have his life sorted
[7:15] out kind of quote UN quote. He had a job, he had a group of
[7:18] friends, he had a house, he had a child, which you'll see soon,
[7:23] which is a devastating element of this case, that there was a
[7:27] child involved that was affected by everything that Nurman went
[7:31] on to do. But I'm getting a bit ahead of
[7:32] myself there. Basically, Nurman had a terrible
[7:36] childhood and upbringing because of so many different reasons, so
[7:39] many different elements made his life so difficult and scary, and
[7:44] he had to find all of these different ways to feel in
[7:47] control of his life, whether that was joining a criminal gang
[7:50] or becoming a bodybuilder. Maybe Nerman really found solace
[7:55] in fitness and bodybuilding, in giving his mind something else
[7:59] to focus on, something else to work on that made him feel
[8:03] stronger. Maybe that was a big part of why
[8:05] he really got into bodybuilding, that packing on like physical
[8:09] muscle could help him to feel more in control of the danger
[8:13] and the chaos that surrounded him.
[8:15] Maybe felt like he could hold his own in all of those
[8:18] situations. Now, as he got older, Nerman
[8:21] dedicated more of more of his life to fitness.
[8:24] Well, to be fair, as he was getting older it was less
[8:27] fitness and more so bodybuilding because those two are quite
[8:30] different things. Fitness is more so about like
[8:33] general health and making sure that your muscles are all being
[8:36] used and you know everything's working well.
[8:39] Whereas bodybuilding is way more about how you look.
[8:43] It doesn't matter if you got there in a healthy way because
[8:46] that's not the aim. The aim is to just be as big and
[8:49] as muscular and as tanned and vain and bald as you can be.
[8:54] Not necessarily bald, but Nermin was bald and like I said, his
[8:58] head looked like 1/3 bicep. I really couldn't get over that.
[9:01] But yeah, like I said, fitness and bodybuilding are two very,
[9:04] very different things. Because the way that Nermin was
[9:06] doing bodybuilding was so unhealthy.
[9:10] There were a lot of allegations of steroids and again, we
[9:14] couldn't quite confirm this, but we think there could have been
[9:18] steroids involved. And the allegations are not just
[9:21] normal steroid use. They are like intense steroid
[9:25] use, loads of different types of steroids, like high dosages.
[9:29] And I was thinking this as we were like, looking through this
[9:32] case, he is mixing all these different steroids.
[9:34] You don't know what that's going to do to your body.
[9:37] Like even I try not to mix too many alcohols on a night out
[9:40] because I'm scared of what it'll do.
[9:42] Like, I don't know where he was getting the steroids from, and I
[9:45] don't know how many different types he was on, if any.
[9:49] But I feel like that's quite a dangerous thing in general is to
[9:52] just mix a lot of different substances in your body all at
[9:55] once. And if these allegations are
[9:57] true, then it was probably on a daily basis that he was mixing
[10:00] all these different chemicals inside him, which is just
[10:03] another, another scary element to this.
[10:06] But I think he felt like he needed those steroids because he
[10:09] would get so much praise for this really unnatural body that
[10:14] he had that he had built for himself.
[10:17] He would enter bodybuilding contests and win them.
[10:20] He was gaining loads of followers on social media of
[10:23] like other young men flocking to him that admire him and want a
[10:28] body just like him. And they're they're willing to
[10:31] listen to every tip and trick that he has because they want
[10:35] Nurman's body. And I think Nurman really liked
[10:39] this power and control, this popularity that his body and his
[10:44] social media profiles would bring him.
[10:46] Nurman felt like a God at this point in his life.
[10:50] He had the physique that so many other men were admiring and
[10:55] aspiring towards. And this newfound microframe was
[10:59] going to his head at rapid speed.
[11:02] Of course, his followers only ever saw his best side, which is
[11:05] quite typical for social media influencers.
[11:08] They only ever saw Nurman's, like, super tanned, like tensed
[11:12] up gym pics. Oh my God.
[11:14] Oh my God. OK girl.
[11:15] They only ever saw him, you know, flexing and pausing.
[11:19] But they never saw the darker parts of his life, just in
[11:23] general, like the fact that Nurman Sulaimanovich, their
[11:26] favorite influencer, was a dangerous, violent abuser.
[11:32] He had intense anger issues that he had never learned how to
[11:36] control and he had allegedly A lengthy criminal history.
[11:41] But of course none of his social media followers knew anything
[11:45] about any of that. They literally just took this
[11:48] man for face value. He was a bodybuilder and that's
[11:50] all they cared about. We did struggle to find out
[11:53] about Nerman's like criminal history and his past in general.
[11:56] I'm sure you've figured that out by now with me throwing out like
[11:59] allegedly his left, right and centre.
[12:01] But a lot of his past is steeped in rumours and mystery.
[12:05] We do know for sure that he has had a lot of altercations,
[12:09] violent altercations. He has been done for assault a
[12:12] lot of times and I don't know who that was against.
[12:15] At least one of them was against a police officer.
[12:18] So this is just a generally quite violent and aggressive
[12:21] man. But I think a lot of the anger
[12:23] and aggression that Nurman was experiencing in his life was
[12:27] because of his bodybuilding, or more specifically because of his
[12:31] alleged steroid use. I'm not sure if there ever has
[12:34] been any proof that he was a Royd head, but YouTube viewers
[12:39] especially that have seen the pictures of this man.
[12:42] You think so too, right? He just has that look, that
[12:45] unnatural, very tight skin with bulging veins.
[12:49] And like, I don't know, there's some very muscular people that
[12:52] look very naturally muscular and there's somewhere they look like
[12:55] they're about to like shrivel up and explode at the same time.
[13:00] And I don't know how that's possible, but he looks like
[13:02] that. He really looks like that.
[13:04] But my point in bringing up all of this, like heavy steroid
[13:07] usage, alleged heavy steroid usage is because it could well
[13:11] have caused something called roid rage, which you might have
[13:14] heard before. This is a very big phenomenon
[13:17] when it comes to people taking steroids and experiencing
[13:21] excessive anger and aggressive outbursts.
[13:24] It's a very irrational kind of anger that is not very easy to
[13:28] dispel. It comes on very quick and
[13:30] sometimes like practically out of nowhere.
[13:32] These people that take a lot of steroids and and have roid rage,
[13:36] they are very easily triggered. And like I say, sometimes it is
[13:39] practically out of nowhere. Sometimes they're triggered just
[13:42] from nothing. So the chemicals that he
[13:44] allegedly took to alter his body impact on the muscles.
[13:48] They didn't just affect his muscles, they affected his brain
[13:51] too. He became very emotionally
[13:54] unstable and he was actually dangerous to the people around
[13:58] it. At the time of this case, Nerman
[14:00] was actively stalking his ex-wife Nazama and she was
[14:05] trying absolutely everything that she could to get away from
[14:08] him. Nazama Hassimovic was 37 years
[14:11] old at the time of this case. She worked as a nurse and her
[14:15] baby daughter was her whole entire world.
[14:18] That's right, Nazama and Nerman had a child together.
[14:30] They had a daughter that I think was a couple of years old in
[14:33] 2023. That was another thing that we
[14:35] struggled to kind of determine concretely about this case is
[14:39] when the baby was born and how old she was at the time of this
[14:42] case. I think she was a toddler.
[14:44] We can safely say that she was a toddler at the time of this case
[14:47] and at this point. So the two of them, Nizamah and
[14:50] Norman, had separated. We'll get more into the details
[14:53] that in a second, but Nazama was really worried, not only for
[14:57] herself but also for her baby, because Nerman could not accept
[15:03] that she was leaving him and he was still following her
[15:06] everywhere and trying to get in contact with her and trying to
[15:09] see the baby. And Nazama was worried, like
[15:12] really scared. I'm not sure how long the two of
[15:15] them had been married before this, but it was Nazama that
[15:19] initiated the divorce. It was her that left Nerman
[15:23] because he he was so violent and aggressive and angry.
[15:27] He was very, very abusive towards her and she'd put up
[15:32] with it for a good few years in that marriage.
[15:34] But the final straw that made her leave him once and for all
[15:37] was the fact that their baby daughter was getting caught in
[15:41] the crossfire of this really dangerous, violent relationship.
[15:45] Now he had abused Nizamah, his wife for years and she realised
[15:50] that if he could do all of that to her, the woman that he said
[15:53] he loved, the woman that he gave a ring and said vows to and
[15:58] promised to love and cherish until death do us part or
[16:01] whatever. I don't know, I'm not married.
[16:02] But if he can abuse her like that, then what's stopping him
[16:07] from abusing their child like that?
[16:09] He would psychologically abuse Nizamah, physically abuse her.
[16:13] He would beat her up often, and again, she was just so, so
[16:18] worried that this behaviour could be taken out on her
[16:21] daughter too. And so when his armour finally
[16:24] built up the courage to leave her rotten husband, he didn't
[16:27] like that. Not one bit.
[16:29] He'd had complete control over his armour for at least a few
[16:32] years, and this was her first act of defiance almost.
[16:38] And it made him so angry and actually quite panicked that the
[16:44] one person that he had full control over, the one person
[16:47] that he always used to take out his anger on, basically his
[16:50] punching bag, was now growing legs and walking away from him.
[16:55] He couldn't have that control over her anymore.
[16:57] He had made Nizamah's life a misery for the years that they
[17:00] were together. And even now, even when she
[17:03] built up the courage to leave him, he kept making her life a
[17:07] living hell. He followed her everywhere she
[17:10] went. He kept trying to get in contact
[17:11] with her, kept contacting her friends and her family, finding
[17:15] ways to stay in her life and keep her scared of him.
[17:19] And I don't think it's like he was trying to get her back
[17:22] either. I really don't think this was a
[17:23] case of him like, I don't know, running after her until she
[17:27] agreed not to leave him. Genuinely, I think he was just
[17:30] trying to scare her and intimidate her.
[17:32] You'll see as we get further and further into this case that
[17:35] Nurman Sulaimanovich loved to have power over people.
[17:40] That was one of the things that made him feel all right in life,
[17:44] was if he had control over the people around him.
[17:47] And I guess maybe there's a connection between his this kind
[17:50] of psychology and his excessive bodybuilding.
[17:53] He's trying to keep control of everyone in his life, so maybe
[17:56] if he looks physically intimidating and dangerous and
[17:59] scary, then people will just bow to his every demand, you know?
[18:04] Over their years of marriage, Nazama had filed several police
[18:08] reports against her violent husband.
[18:11] And even after the split, she still had to contact the police
[18:14] because, like I say, he never left her alone.
[18:17] It was incessant. This stalking, this intimidation
[18:20] was never ending. It was almost every single day
[18:24] and Nazama was scared for her life at this point because he
[18:29] didn't seem to be calming down. Even after weeks and months were
[18:32] going by, he was still just as angry as the day that she left
[18:36] it. My point being that the police
[18:38] in their area, in Grada Chets, they knew what Nazama's
[18:43] situation was like. They knew that she was scared
[18:45] for her life. They knew that Norman was
[18:47] violent and dangerous and aggressive and was stalking her,
[18:50] following her, trying to control and abuse her.
[18:53] They knew. The police knew full well they
[18:56] hadn't multiple reports of this, but they were doing nothing to
[19:01] protect Nazama or her daughter. They just kind of, well, they
[19:06] didn't do anything. They didn't do anything.
[19:08] Nazama had even tried to file a restraining order against
[19:11] Nermin, but you're not going to believe this.
[19:14] It was actually rejected. How on earth would the courts
[19:18] see all of this evidence, all of these different police reports
[19:21] and see Nazama standing there crying, begging them to help her
[19:26] and they still reject that case? I honestly cannot believe that,
[19:31] especially considering that Nazama got the divorce on the
[19:34] grounds of his violent behaviour.
[19:36] Like there is. It's all documented, which is
[19:39] why I find it so hard to believe that that the courts could look
[19:44] at this woman and say it's just so haunting and so devastating
[19:50] that Nazama could see where this was going.
[19:53] She knew just how violent and dangerous her ex-husband was and
[19:58] she could tell that he wanted her dead and she knew it was
[20:02] going to end up at that point if she didn't get some help.
[20:06] She was begging for that help. And not receiving it.
[20:09] Just five days before this case, Nazama's grandmother saw her for
[20:14] what would be the very last time, and she said that her
[20:17] granddaughter looked anxious, tired, very thin.
[20:21] She was just very scared. She wasn't herself at all.
[20:24] Nazama told her grandmother that she hadn't been sleeping or
[20:27] eating properly lately because of the baby.
[20:30] Because because the baby was waking up all the time.
[20:32] But her grandmother knew that there was definitely something
[20:35] more to it, something that Nazama wasn't telling her,
[20:39] whether that was because she didn't want to worry her
[20:40] grandmother or whether she just didn't want to get into it.
[20:44] But her grandmother knew that it wasn't just the baby.
[20:47] A day after that, after she last saw her grandmother, that was
[20:50] when Nazama's restraining order was rejected.
[20:54] And four days after that, Nazama would be brutally murdered by
[21:00] the man that she had been trying to get away from.
[21:03] The fateful day was August 11th, 2023.
[21:07] Nerman's followers got a notification to say that he had
[21:10] began a live stream on Instagram.
[21:12] But as they all started to tune in, expecting to see their usual
[21:17] Q&A kind of thing, they very quickly realized that this was
[21:20] not their usual content. Nerman wasn't on screen.
[21:24] Normally when he started a live stream, it'd be right onto his
[21:27] face and it'd all be like, oh, hi guys.
[21:29] You know, as you would expect a live, live stream.
[21:31] But Nerman wasn't on camera this time.
[21:33] And the energy of this live stream, I mean, viewers couldn't
[21:37] quite make out what the camera was pointing at for a little
[21:40] while, but the energy of the live stream was very intense.
[21:44] It was very it was off. Like viewers could tell that
[21:47] something was wrong, and quickly the live stream took a very dark
[21:52] and disturbing turn. Nermin points the camera at a
[21:56] woman who has sat on a bench on the back porch of a house.
[22:00] Viewers are horrified to see that this woman is absolutely
[22:04] covered in blood. Her face is all swollen.
[22:07] In fact, so swollen that her mouth is open this whole entire
[22:11] time. She can't close her own mouth.
[22:13] She'd clearly been terrible, terribly, terribly beaten.
[22:17] And as she sat there on the bench, viewers could see her
[22:20] kind of falling in and out of consciousness.
[22:23] She was very dazed. She, she wasn't all there.
[22:25] She was borderline unresponsive. She was almost passing out.
[22:29] This woman looked like she was actively dying in front of
[22:34] everyone. And what was even more
[22:35] disturbing was when the camera panned a little bit further and
[22:38] you could see the ground underneath where this woman was
[22:41] sitting. There was a pool of blood full
[22:45] of her own blood. She had been sat there bleeding
[22:48] for quite some time. And I'm sure you've already
[22:51] gathered at this point that this poor beaten woman was Nazama
[22:55] Hesimovic, his ex-wife. But none of the viewers of this
[23:00] live stream knew that at this point in time, they had no idea
[23:03] who this woman was. Norman, I don't think ever
[23:06] really posted his family, so it's not like they recognized
[23:09] her. As soon as the camera went on
[23:10] her. Everyone was so incredibly
[23:14] confident, confused, but so incredibly disturbed.
[23:17] No one had any idea what was going on, but everyone could
[23:20] immediately sense that it was horrific.
[23:23] Whatever was happening. It was an absolutely horrifying
[23:26] scene to be broadcasted live onto the Internet.
[23:29] But very quickly it started to build a lot of traction.
[23:32] Soon enough, 12,000 people were in that Instagram live broadcast
[23:37] watching this real life Horror Story unfold in real time.
[23:42] Like I said, of course the audience had.
[23:44] I have no idea what is going on in this broadcast, but it is
[23:47] very obvious that just before the camera was picked up, just
[23:51] before this live broadcast began, something awful had
[23:55] happened in that household. Something terrible had happened
[23:58] to that poor woman. And it seemed like it was at the
[24:01] hands of Nermin because he didn't seem to mind.
[24:05] He was the one holding the phone, pointing it at this
[24:08] woman. If he was worried, if he was
[24:10] panicked, he would be calling the police, not on an Instagram
[24:13] Live. So there was a very, very
[24:16] sinister energy. There were a lot of people that
[24:18] clicked on this broadcast for the first time, saw this
[24:22] harrowing scene and clicked off straight away.
[24:25] Like it is traumatizing. A lot of people wouldn't want to
[24:28] see that, but there were quite a lot of people that that couldn't
[24:33] click away, kind of like how people describe watching a car
[24:36] crash, like you don't want to see it, but you almost don't
[24:39] have a choice. It's like your brain and your
[24:41] body decide that for you that you aren't going to watch this
[24:44] car crash. It's probably some sort of
[24:46] evolutionary instinct when you think about it, Like we sense
[24:49] danger and we feel the urge to like stay aware of what's going
[24:54] on at all times. If we can see the source of the
[24:57] danger and we can monitor it and and keep tabs on it, then maybe
[25:01] it helps us to feel a bit more safe.
[25:03] And like, I know that this was all going on on people's phones.
[25:06] It wasn't in their immediate reality.
[25:08] But our animalistic brains haven't developed anywhere near
[25:12] as fast as our technology has. We're not adapted to understand
[25:16] it on on like a brain level. Yeah.
[25:19] The sight of blood still kicks us into subconscious hyper
[25:23] vigilance, even if it is just on a phone screen.
[25:25] Like your animalistic brain can't quite tell the difference
[25:28] that the threat isn't immediately in front of you
[25:31] because, well, I mean, it is. It's just on a little rectangle.
[25:35] So these 12,000 people that have logged into this live stream are
[25:39] watching on in horror as the camera lingered on this woman
[25:43] for a moment on Nazama. She's not doing or saying
[25:46] anything. I mean, she can't.
[25:48] She is so beaten and swollen. But then child starts to cry in
[25:55] the background of this live stream.
[25:56] Of course, we know that that will have been his daughter,
[26:00] their daughter Nazama and Norman's child that they had
[26:03] together is laying witness to this horrifying scene.
[26:07] This this little girl is seeing her mother like this.
[26:11] Who knows? She might have even watched her
[26:13] father beating her mother, beating her into this state as
[26:17] well where she's she can hardly even hold herself up.
[26:20] She can hardly even open her eyes.
[26:22] Did Norman's followers even know that he had a child?
[26:24] I mean maybe not but the addition of this crying child in
[26:29] the background of the live stream mid everything so much
[26:32] more horrifying. And then Norman makes it known
[26:36] to this live stream broadcast exactly why he is doing this to
[26:41] his ex-wife and and it's seemingly out of revenge.
[26:45] Not revenge for her leaving him, not revenge for her wanting a
[26:48] divorce, but revenge because she had contacted the police on him.
[26:54] And this is one thing about Nerman.
[26:55] He is one of those men that hits the police.
[26:58] Fuck the feds. You know, that kind of thing he
[27:00] must have had as we were talking about his like elusive,
[27:03] mysterious criminal past earlier.
[27:06] This makes me think that there's a lot of truth in that criminal
[27:09] past because, yeah, he has a disdain for the police.
[27:12] He hates them. They're like his number one OP.
[27:14] His biggest enemy is the police force, and the fact that his
[27:18] ex-wife had reported him to the police, to his worst enemies,
[27:23] that made him even more angry than anything else she had done
[27:27] than her divorcing him in general.
[27:30] So he points the camera right at Na's armour and demands that she
[27:34] tell him why she involved the police just a few days ago, and
[27:37] she struggles out a response. She can barely talk, her face is
[27:41] so swollen, and she just tells Nermin that she feared for their
[27:46] lives, for her life, for her daughter's life.
[27:49] And I don't know what he expected her to say because
[27:52] obviously that was the reason she involved the police.
[27:55] He knew that was the reason she involved the police.
[27:58] Anyone could guess that that was the reason.
[28:01] But I don't think he was asking that question because he wanted
[28:03] a genuine answer. I think he already knew the
[28:06] answer, but he more so just wanted to make it known to the
[28:09] broadcast why he was so angry with Nazama.
[28:14] It was a rhetorical question. He wasn't actually looking for a
[28:16] genuine answer. He was more so saying it so that
[28:20] the Instagram Live audience knew that she had called the beliefs
[28:23] on him and he wasn't happy. And it seems that's why he was
[28:26] doing all of this. That's why he had beaten her
[28:29] within an inch of her life and then broadcasted it to thousands
[28:33] of people across the whole entire world.
[28:35] He wanted to to hurt his ex-wife, maybe even murder her
[28:41] and he wanted the whole world to watch it happen.
[28:44] Norman then points the camera at a table that has a pistol laying
[28:49] on it, and as he picked it up, he addressed the audience on the
[28:52] live stream, saying, hey guys, you're going to see something
[28:55] you've never seen before. A live murder.
[28:59] It's a massacre. And with that, he raised the
[29:02] gun, barely giving anyone time to digest what he had just said.
[29:06] One singular shot ran out. He had shot in his armor in the
[29:11] head, point blank range. 12,000 people saw this murder happen
[29:18] live and they watched as Nazama's body tensed up into the
[29:23] fencing position and viewers heard her make quote terrible
[29:27] sounds as the life left her body.
[29:30] By now the child screaming was even louder after what she had
[29:34] just witnessed. She had just watched her father
[29:37] shoot her mother in the head, and she had also heard those
[29:41] sounds. She had seen her mother die.
[29:44] And Norman actually pans around the camera and points it to his
[29:50] toddler, his little girl who's about two or three years old,
[29:53] who is now collapsed on the ground wailing in anguish.
[29:57] She has just watched him murder her mother, the one woman that
[30:01] was there to love her and protect her.
[30:03] Her father didn't treat her like that and she had just watched
[30:06] him get rid of of her whole entire life, her whole entire
[30:10] universe. When you're 2-3 years old, your
[30:13] mum is everything to you. And maybe at 2-3 years old you
[30:16] don't understand what a gun is. And, and maybe she didn't
[30:19] understand everything that was going on here, but children
[30:22] understand what death is. And it's a very intuitive thing
[30:27] to to see someone tense up into that position, to make those
[30:30] noises and then to go completely still.
[30:33] She might not have understood what a gunshot was or what had
[30:36] just happened to her mum, but she was very aware that her mum
[30:39] was gone now. And I just think it's so
[30:42] insanely vile that Norman then turned around and pointed the
[30:47] camera at this poor child just so that the audience could,
[30:51] what, see her reaction to what he had just done as well.
[30:54] How sick and twisted. What a fucking horrible thing
[30:58] for that child to witness. It breaks my heart so much.
[31:01] Every single part of this case is so, so harrowing.
[31:05] This woman had been begging for help from police, from
[31:09] authorities for years to save her from this violent, dangerous
[31:14] man, but she had been ignored and now brutally murdered by the
[31:20] very man that she knew was capable of something like this.
[31:24] And she wasn't just murdered, she was humiliated.
[31:27] She was tortured, broadcasted live for thousands of people to
[31:32] watch her die. And it just tops it all off that
[31:35] he made their two year old daughter watch all of this
[31:39] happen in person. And and then showed the fucking
[31:43] audience her reaction to her mother's murder.
[31:47] This is honestly one of the most sick cases I've ever come
[31:51] across. And you guys know I've been
[31:53] doing this job for a long ass time.
[31:55] There are hundreds of videos on this channel, yet this is one of
[32:00] the worst that has like kept me up at night.
[32:03] I, I've thought about this little girl quite a lot this
[32:06] week and I really hope she's doing well.
[32:09] I mean, I'm going to give you a full update at the end of the
[32:12] case on where she is and how she's doing, but holy fuck, I
[32:16] hope you guys are doing alright. The audience at home because
[32:20] this is fucking heavy, isn't it? And it doesn't even stop there.
[32:24] It's actually going to get a little bit worse.
[32:25] And then we're finally done talking about this live stream.
[32:28] After Norman had panned the camera and shown their baby
[32:32] daughter's reaction, he then says the coldest and most
[32:36] devastating sentence I've heard in a long, long time.
[32:39] He says here, someone come and save the child.
[32:42] Moving on. With that, the broadcast ends
[32:45] and Nerman leaves the house, leaving his two year old
[32:49] daughter stranded, locked in that house with the dead body,
[32:54] the fresh dead body of, of her mother.
[32:57] I'm not sure how long it took for the daughter to be, you
[33:01] know, found and rescued and she was don't worry.
[33:05] I think it all happened quite quickly.
[33:07] I think the the scene of the crime was taped up quite quickly
[33:10] because bear in mind, this had been broadcasted on Instagram.
[33:13] But in that short period of time that that little girl was left
[33:18] with the dead body of her mother.
[33:20] We don't know what she was doing, but it just breaks my
[33:23] heart so much to think about what was going through her mind
[33:27] or what she was doing. There were some reports that she
[33:30] had even crawled through the blood, which Oh my God, like it
[33:34] makes, Oh my God, this is quite a unique element of a case.
[33:38] We don't we don't see this all that often where there is like a
[33:42] child abandoned with a murder victim's dead body that it
[33:46] makes, it's making me feel sick to my stomach.
[33:48] We're going to have to move on. I've got tears in my eyes.
[33:51] I've got I've got a tummy ache. The daughter was eventually
[34:01] recovered by a man named Emia, who was a friend of Nurman's.
[34:05] In fact, he was actually the owner of the gym that Nurman
[34:09] worked at. So does that make him Nurman's
[34:11] boss? His boss went and found the
[34:14] murder scene and rescued his daughter.
[34:16] We don't know what exactly had led him to the house, whether
[34:19] he'd seen the live stream or not.
[34:22] Maybe he'd received some texts from people that that had seen
[34:25] the live stream. I don't know.
[34:26] Because actually a heartbreaking element of this case is that a
[34:30] lot of Nazama's loved ones and just a lot of people that knew
[34:34] them in general did see parts of that live stream.
[34:37] Because I mean, of course, the word spread very, very fast.
[34:41] As soon as this live stream began and people noticed that
[34:44] something was drastically wrong, people started texting around,
[34:48] People started talking about this.
[34:50] Even Nazama's own grandmother, you know, the one that we were
[34:53] talking about earlier that was already so, so worried for her
[34:56] granddaughter. Even she caught a glimpse of
[34:59] someone's phone with her granddaughter covered in blood
[35:03] on it. And everyone was trying to hide
[35:05] their phones from her grandmother.
[35:07] But this is what I mean, so many people saw it, so many members
[35:11] of the family, so many friends, so many people that loved
[35:14] Nazama, watched her murder live on Instagram.
[35:18] And that was the extent of the horror that was inflicted at the
[35:22] house. But Nerman wasn't finished yet.
[35:25] In fact, he was only just beginning.
[35:27] Nazama wasn't his only murder victim that day.
[35:31] After murdering his ex-wife in the home on the edge of Gred
[35:35] Atchetz, he then jumps into his BMW because he had a BMWII.
[35:40] Sometimes I forget that he was actually like an influencer on
[35:43] the side and like a PT or whatever personal trainer like
[35:47] he was minted. He was travelling around between
[35:50] murders in style. So he jumped in his BMW and
[35:54] drove about 20-30 minutes to the centre of town, hungry for more
[35:58] targets that he could take out this violent anger on.
[36:02] Whilst piercing the streets of Gred Atchetz.
[36:04] Nurman actually murdered two more people.
[36:08] He shot and killed 2 completely randomly chosen completely
[36:14] innocent men. It was actually a father and son
[36:17] that he murdered, later identified as Jengis and Dennis
[36:21] Under. They were 55 years old and 23
[36:24] years old, respectively. They had just gone out together
[36:28] for the day, and now none of their families were ever going
[36:32] to see them ever again. They were just so suddenly,
[36:36] randomly, viciously murdered in the street by this bodybuilding
[36:41] maniac. And Can you believe Nurman still
[36:43] wasn't done there that day? He was going after anyone and
[36:48] everyone. He was shooting.
[36:49] He was, he was assaulting. He was doing fucking everything.
[36:53] Those three were the only murder victims he had that day, but he
[36:57] tried to have a good few more. There were a few attempted
[37:01] murders. He shot a load of people in the
[37:03] street, one of which was a police officer that he
[37:06] successfully shot, but they survived.
[37:09] He really was trying to massacre the whole town.
[37:12] He was trying to make a spectacle of this whole thing.
[37:15] It seemed he love the idea of the attention and the infamy.
[37:19] I mean, I think it speaks for itself actually, the fact that
[37:22] he live broadcasted the murders on Instagram.
[37:26] And actually that wasn't the only live stream he did that
[37:30] day. He went on live stream for a
[37:31] second time after committing the other two murders to like give
[37:36] his followers an update. At this point he didn't like
[37:39] consciously know that the police were pursuing him.
[37:43] He must have had an idea though, like when you're live live
[37:46] streaming on Instagram in between committing crimes,
[37:49] you're just kind of like walking the streets, shooting at people.
[37:53] You've got to expect that the police are on their way.
[37:55] But like at this point, either Nurman didn't care or he just
[37:58] like wasn't thinking about that. And he goes on Instagram Live
[38:01] for a second time. And obviously that's going to
[38:04] help the police locate him as well.
[38:07] They're getting like real time feedback on his surroundings.
[38:11] So it's only going to help them get to him quicker.
[38:14] But at this point, I don't think Nerman was even trying to avoid
[38:18] capture. Like like I said, he was just
[38:20] trying to make this grand spectacle of everything.
[38:24] I think it was more about showing the world and and the
[38:27] police as well, his biggest enemies, how dangerous and
[38:31] powerful and ruthless he is. He doesn't care that he's going
[38:35] to get caught at the end of all of this.
[38:36] It's more about the statement that he is making.
[38:39] And in the second live stream, Nerman sounds even more deranged
[38:43] than he did in the first one. The way that he updates his
[38:46] fault followers on his second round of murders was by saying I
[38:49] killed two more enemies, a father and his son.
[38:52] Now this bit is especially fascinating to me.
[38:56] The use of the word enemies when police believed that he didn't
[39:01] know those other two victims, he didn't know the father and son
[39:04] prior to killing them. But enemies is just so like
[39:08] venomous and specific. It shows like a personal gripe
[39:13] with those people, but we don't think he had one.
[39:17] It's very interesting. It has been speculated that
[39:20] maybe this father and son could have been involved in Nurman's
[39:24] like past criminal circles. If we are to believe the
[39:28] allegations of like drug rings and organised crime, then it
[39:32] might make sense that he does have some enemies out there on
[39:34] the streets of Grenachetz. So maybe he did know these two
[39:38] men before he killed them. Maybe it was more intentional
[39:41] than police think it was, or maybe maybe maybe Nerman was
[39:47] delusional. I don't know.
[39:49] None of these theories have been proven.
[39:51] I do just want to say like police still believe that Nerman
[39:54] had no idea who that father and son were and his use of the word
[39:58] enemies is just. That's just a word that he used.
[40:01] Police don't believe there to be anything too.
[40:03] And maybe there wasn't. But then this is what makes me
[40:05] think that Nermin could have just been like mental, like
[40:09] actually mental. I mean, you have to be a level
[40:12] of mentally disturbed to commit these kind of murders and, and
[40:15] plaster them all over Instagram and film a crying child whose
[40:20] mother you have just murdered. That's the that is fucking sick
[40:23] and twisted. Of course this man had mental
[40:26] issues. So that's a theory that maybe he
[40:29] just thought that the father and son were enemies of his and, and
[40:34] like, maybe they weren't. Maybe he had nothing to do with
[40:36] them at all, but maybe he was just mental and delusional and
[40:40] he thought something that wasn't real.
[40:42] But anyway, after after that little section, I've only told
[40:45] you one quote of this live and I got completely sidetracked.
[40:48] So after he tells the audience that he's killed two more
[40:52] enemies, he then says the baby is safe.
[40:55] I'm not a kid for someone to play with.
[40:57] I'm not a kid. She hid the child from me and
[41:00] reported me to the police. Maybe I skipped someone but it's
[41:04] too late now. Now I have 10,000 followers.
[41:07] I'm popular. You have to bear in mind that
[41:09] that quote was a lot more like disjointed and jumbled and like
[41:12] he wasn't very coherent on this live stream.
[41:15] But the part of that quote that I just read that really stuck
[41:18] out to me was thought I skipped someone but it's too late now.
[41:22] What does he mean by that? That he was meant to kill
[41:25] someone else and he skipped someone but it's too late now?
[41:29] He doesn't think he has time to kill that other person.
[41:32] And if there is truth to that, that he was planning to kill
[41:34] someone else but didn't have time, then it makes me think
[41:37] that there is truth to those two men being his enemies, quote,
[41:41] UN, quote enemies. The way that Nurman is talking
[41:44] about this second leg of his murder spree, it seems very
[41:48] intentional. He's calling people enemies and
[41:51] and saying, oh, I thought I skipped someone.
[41:53] It makes this killing spree seem quite thought out.
[41:56] But then again, circling back to my theory that he was just
[42:00] delusional, he was just crazy then, you know, that could
[42:05] explain a lot of the ramblings on his live streams.
[42:08] But one thing that is very clear throughout all of this is that
[42:11] Nurman loved the attention that this was bringing him.
[42:15] He was now popular. As he said himself, he had
[42:18] 10,000 followers. That was how he ended his second
[42:21] live stream. I assume his follower count had
[42:24] been going up and up and up throughout that day as people
[42:27] had been like finding out about this story and trying to follow
[42:30] it live. And it actually sickens me to
[42:32] say that a lot. A lot of these followers, I
[42:35] think a lot of his new followers were actively encouraging his
[42:40] dangerous, violent, aggressive, murderous behaviour.
[42:44] In these live streams. People were commenting,
[42:47] especially on the first live stream when he was videoing
[42:50] Nazama, people were encouraging him saying like, yeah, shoot
[42:54] her, kill her, she deserves it. All this horrific stuff.
[42:58] The Internet can be a very scary, very sick and twisted
[43:02] place at times times. Well especially in certain
[43:06] corners of the Internet. And Norman's Instagram page had
[43:10] become one of those corners. It had now become a hub for
[43:14] these awful evil people to all gather together and and echo
[43:19] chamber his behaviour. But there was 1 bombshell that
[43:23] Norman dropped in that second live stream.
[43:25] Just before he logged off for the final time he told his
[43:28] followers. These are not my first murders.
[43:32] I don't talk much. Not his first murders.
[43:36] The three murders that he had just documented pretty much live
[43:39] were not his only kills. He is implying that he has
[43:43] committed murders before that day and he has just been getting
[43:46] away with them for however long. Police weren't on to him and
[43:50] well, what if he is telling the truth?
[43:52] I'm so torn when it comes to what I think of Nurman
[43:56] Sulaimanovich and especially like his ramblings.
[44:00] I don't know whether I think he is just like delusional and and
[44:03] a bit mentally unwell and he maybe he doesn't know what he's
[44:08] saying properly. But there's another part of me
[44:10] that thinks that very mysterious criminal history that even we
[44:15] couldn't dig into, even us, even my research team that I think is
[44:20] the best research team in the whole entire world, even we
[44:22] couldn't find out shit on his criminal past.
[44:24] So that makes me think that it possibly is there.
[44:28] But he was never caught for things.
[44:31] My own personal theory is that he was probably very much
[44:34] involved in stuff and so maybe he is telling the truth about
[44:37] having committed murders earlier on in his life but has just
[44:40] never been caught for them. I don't know what I believe.
[44:43] I don't know whether I think it's delusion or whether I think
[44:46] he is actually being truthful and he's just confessing for the
[44:49] first time. Police never ended up pinning
[44:52] any other murders on Norman Sulemanovich.
[44:54] Just these three that we've talked about today, but I I
[44:58] don't know I'm I'm still not fully convinced because like
[45:01] with the police, even looking in the right places, like what if
[45:04] they just missed something? Because also, especially because
[45:07] of how the police in that area where with Nazama when she had
[45:11] an issue. I just don't think I trust the
[45:13] police in gradat chats at all. You know, they don't sound like
[45:17] a very good police force with the way that they handled this
[45:20] case. So I can't imagine they handled
[45:23] anything else very well. Any previous crimes that Nurman
[45:26] might have committed, maybe they didn't care about those either.
[45:28] Well anyway, that was the end of his second Instagram live
[45:32] stream. A cliffhanger ending, that's for
[45:34] sure. He just dropped the fact that he
[45:36] might well be a serial killer. And then that is the last time
[45:40] he ever speaks to his online social media following ever
[45:44] again. Because once he'd ended that
[45:45] second live stream, Nurman lifted the very same pistol that
[45:50] he had used to commit 3 murders that day.
[45:53] He lifted it to his own head now and shot himself to death.
[45:57] Perhaps he had finally realized the gravity of the crimes that
[46:01] he had committed throughout that day and, and maybe it started to
[46:04] panic him. Maybe he realized that police
[46:06] had to be on their way. They had to be closing in on
[46:08] him. And maybe he felt like this was
[46:11] his only option. As we've been saying, Nurman
[46:13] famously hated the police, so a lot of people think that him
[46:18] taking his own life here was him taking himself out before the
[46:23] police could get to him. He didn't want to give them the
[46:26] satisfaction of capturing him. Maybe in his head, if he killed
[46:30] himself first, then that was still him winning.
[46:32] And there's a part of me that wonders that maybe this had been
[46:35] Nurman's plan all along. Maybe he knew that before he
[46:38] even started that first Instagram Live showing Nazama on
[46:42] the bench. Maybe he already had it in his
[46:44] head that he was going to take his own life by the end of that
[46:47] day. Because once you start
[46:49] broadcasting your fucking murders live on Instagram, like,
[46:53] yeah, you're going to get caught for that.
[46:55] Definitely. So maybe he was doing all of
[46:57] this stuff all day, like broadcasting and and shooting at
[47:00] anyone he wanted in the street because he knew that that was
[47:03] his last day on Earth. He knew that he was going to die
[47:06] before the police got to him. So he was just doing whatever
[47:09] the hell he wanted up until that point.
[47:11] But now that he had taken his own life, mass murderer Nurman
[47:14] Sulaimanovich couldn't hurt anyone else.
[47:17] Now. His reign of terror was over.
[47:20] But now just this could never be properly served because he was
[47:25] gone. And just because he wasn't alive
[47:27] anymore, just because he wasn't a danger to anyone else anymore,
[47:30] that doesn't bring back the three people that he savagely
[47:34] murdered. There were so, so many people
[47:37] that were affected by Nurman's actions that day.
[47:39] There were so many victims and I, I just keep going back to
[47:44] that little girl. It breaks my heart.
[47:45] I can feel the tears coming into my eyes again.
[47:47] I'm going to have to stop talking about that.
[47:49] I'm sorry. There were people that lost
[47:50] their lives. There were people that almost
[47:53] lost their lives. Remember, he committed a lot of
[47:55] attempted murders, shot so many people.
[47:58] So many people had to be hospitalized and had to take
[48:01] time off of work and had to go through therapy.
[48:04] After Nurman's actions on this one day last summer, he ruined
[48:10] and took so many lives. There were so many people left
[48:14] grieving without their loved ones.
[48:16] And like I said, there was a little girl that had to grow up
[48:20] without her mother and now one day with the knowledge that her
[48:24] father was an evil murderer that killed her mother in front of
[48:30] her. Oh my God, I hope, I hope that
[48:32] live stream was like burned. I hope there's no evidence of
[48:35] that online because if she was to ever come across that online,
[48:39] it really fucking breaks my heart.
[48:41] Like I really, really hope she doesn't remember that at 2-3
[48:44] years old, you would hope that her brain would like block it
[48:48] out and she wouldn't remember that as an adult.
[48:49] But even if she doesn't consciously remember what she
[48:52] saw that day, the human body takes score and and she's going
[48:57] to have a lot of subconscious trauma from that day when when
[49:01] she was barely even a toddler. It's just so fucking
[49:04] heartbreaking to me. No child should ever have to
[49:07] witness anything like that. And the last thing that Nazama
[49:10] Hesimovic ever posted on social media before her brutal murder
[49:14] was actually a photo of her daughter's little foot, her tiny
[49:18] little foot. And the caption read, A baby
[49:21] will Make Love. Stronger days, shorter nights,
[49:25] longer money, less home, happier clothes, more shabby, the past
[49:30] forgotten, and a future worth living for.
[49:34] And that just makes me want to cry so bad.
[49:36] A future worth living for. But she had left that horrible,
[49:42] evil husband of hers that was abusing her within an inch of
[49:44] her life for years. And she finally thought she had
[49:48] gotten out of there and that she had rescued herself and her baby
[49:51] daughter and now they could have a life together, away from that
[49:55] man. That awful man.
[49:57] And yet this still happened. I am going to pull myself
[50:00] together now because there's other like things that we have
[50:03] to wrap up about this case. So of course, we said earlier
[50:06] that Nurman's boss or like someone from his work, the guy
[50:10] that owned the gym, a guy called Amia, was the one to come and
[50:13] recover his daughter from the crime scene, the one to rescue
[50:16] her. And once this part of the news
[50:19] story hit the Internet, I don't know how the Internet found out
[50:22] about this or like found out who rescued the girl.
[50:25] But when they did find it out they actually turned on him.
[50:30] Some of those same evil sick twisted people that had been
[50:34] encouraging Nurman to commit further and further acts of
[50:37] violence. They had now turned on Emia
[50:40] giving him grief and and threatening him for saving a 2
[50:45] year old baby. Like what?
[50:48] What the fuck is wrong with these people?
[50:50] Emia was actually receiving threats and and just horrible
[50:54] horrible messages from people. He actually got one saying as of
[50:57] tonight, the hunt for you is on. Just so you know.
[51:00] Thankfully no one ever acted on those threats and Mia was
[51:04] perfectly fine. The daughter was and is
[51:08] perfectly fine. She is still alive.
[51:10] She's reportedly being raised in the sole care of Nazarman's
[51:14] sister, which is sweet. I mean, that's about as happy of
[51:18] an ending as I guess she could get.
[51:20] And as I say, I really hope she doesn't grow up to remember
[51:24] anything that she saw that day. But As for the wider reaction
[51:28] towards this case, the public reaction in Bosnia was huge.
[51:32] Not only because of the Super unique and horrifying
[51:36] circumstances of this case, like a murder on Instagram live, but
[51:41] also the biggest conversation around this case was actually
[51:44] that Nazama had been trying to get help for years.
[51:49] She had reported Nurman to the police so many times and they
[51:52] had ignored her. They had done fuck all to help
[51:55] this woman who was telling them I think he is going to kill me.
[51:59] I think he's going to come after me and my daughter.
[52:01] And they didn't care. The authorities didn't care, the
[52:04] police didn't care. The the courts didn't care.
[52:07] I cannot believe they rejected her restraining order just a
[52:11] week before he then went on to murder her.
[52:14] The way that Nazama had been dealt with in the years before
[52:18] her murder just made everyone so, so angry.
[52:22] She had been let down by the law, by the police, by everyone
[52:26] that had a hand in enabling Norman's actions that day.
[52:29] And there was already a lot of criticism in Bosnia at the time
[52:34] about how they enforce their domestic violence laws, or
[52:38] rather the lack of how they enforce their domestic violence
[52:42] laws. Because clearly, as you've seen
[52:44] in the case of Nazama, they don't fucking do anything.
[52:48] Nazama had done everything right.
[52:51] She had tried to save her own life.
[52:52] She had tried so many times. She had kept reaching out to
[52:56] those that she thought could help her in her times of need.
[52:59] She kept updating them on different things that Nermin was
[53:02] doing, but they didn't care. The government had actively kept
[53:07] this woman in danger until the day that she was murdered.
[53:11] You know what? I hope all of the people that
[53:13] rejected that had a hand in rejecting that restraining
[53:16] order. I hope they've heard about this
[53:18] case, and I hope they've had a long, fucking hard look in the
[53:20] mirror. Nazamah's death was absolutely
[53:23] an avoidable tragedy. It didn't have to happen.
[53:28] But as you're probably aware, if you're an avid true crime
[53:31] watcher, time and time again, victims of domestic abuse.
[53:35] Domestic violence are ignored until it's too late.
[53:40] We actually did a video not too long ago about a man named Tom
[53:43] Cressman who was murdered by his girlfriend who was the the
[53:48] stylist for the royal family here in the UK.
[53:51] She murdered him after one particularly violent argument
[53:55] that they'd had at home. But earlier in that day, before
[53:57] she killed him, Tom had been calling the police, telling them
[54:01] that they needed to come and help because this was going to
[54:04] end badly. He knew that she was going to
[54:07] get violent and that he could die.
[54:09] No officers ever came out to speak with him.
[54:12] He didn't even get a call back that night to check that he was
[54:15] OK and that same night his girlfriend murdered him.
[54:20] Literally the night before his body was found he rang one of
[54:23] his friends complaining about how the police weren't taking
[54:26] him seriously and he said the words.
[54:29] They only care when there's a body bag.
[54:31] And it is so heartbreaking that such is proven to be true time
[54:36] and time again. It's so disappointing when
[54:38] police and law officials never seem to learn from these kind of
[54:43] cases, Do they? In just England and Wales alone,
[54:46] there are two women every week that are murdered by their
[54:51] current or previous partner per week.
[54:54] Two women a week. And I really wish I could end
[54:57] this case on a slightly happier note.
[54:59] But this is the harsh reality. And as I was saying in the
[55:02] beginning of this video, that is why I wanted to cover this case
[55:06] so badly. It's so important to talk about,
[55:09] especially when it's happening in different countries, places
[55:12] where admittedly I don't quite understand the the legal
[55:16] proceedings and how the police work.
[55:18] I think it's so important for for us to be telling stories
[55:22] like this from everywhere to open up this conversation for
[55:25] women all over the world, not just women in the UK or in
[55:29] America or Australia, women everywhere.
[55:32] If you have any other cases that are similar to this that you
[55:35] want to see us cover, then please do put them down in the
[55:37] comments. We're always checking the
[55:39] comments and we're always taking case requests from there as
[55:42] well. We do have a case request form
[55:44] that's linked down below in the in the description, but yeah, we
[55:47] are always checking the comments as well.
[55:49] So please do let me know if there's anything similar to this
[55:52] that you think would be very important to talk about.
[55:54] Maybe cases that haven't been spoken about on YouTube all that
[55:58] much. I would love to to give other
[56:00] stories a bit of a platform and, and to open up those
[56:03] conversations. But yeah, thank you so, so much
[56:05] for watching this video. And I do apologise that this is
[56:08] a very sad ending to a case. This has just been a really
[56:12] effing harrowing case. Thank you so much for listening
[56:20] to Usual Disclaimer. At this point, I just want to
[56:23] say that if you've been affected by any of the topics we
[56:25] discussed today, please check the description where we've left
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