# 'Crazy Dave' the Teen Slayer

An episode of [Outlore with Eleanor Neale](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1682504024), 18 Feb 2025, 55 min.

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Today's episode is on a serial killer known as 'Crazy Dave' - David Edward Maust is known as the teen slayer - and has been compared to both John Wayne Gacy and 'the gay slayer' Colin Ireland. Trigger Warning: child abuse, mental illness, rape, suicide Resources: https://linktr.ee/usualdisclaimer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

## Transcript

[0:00] Crazy Dave is one of the more interesting serial killers.
[0:04] You know, the ones that fully know that what they're doing is
[0:07] wrong. They are disgusted in
[0:09] themselves. They think it's horrific to
[0:10] commit murder. They hate that they do it.
[0:13] Yet for some reason, they always find themselves finding a way to
[0:17] commit murder again. At that point is murder and
[0:20] addiction. Is this feeling that they're
[0:22] chasing an addiction? Today we're going to talk about
[0:25] David Moss AKA Crazy Dave the teen boy Slayer.
[0:32] Quickly before we get into the case, I just want to give my
[0:34] usual disclaimer that I mean absolutely no disrespect to
[0:37] anyone that I talk about in this video.
[0:39] This video is for educational purposes and everything that I'm
[0:42] about to say is just information that I have found on the
[0:45] Internet and I'm compiling into one video.
[0:48] There's a couple of content warnings on this video, so if
[0:51] you don't want to hear about the following topics, then please
[0:53] click out now in today's case, we're going to be discussing
[0:56] themes of child abuse, mental illness, rape and suicide.
[1:00] So like I said, if you don't want to hear about any of the
[1:02] right now, I completely understand click out, go look
[1:05] after yourself. Hopefully I'll get to see you
[1:07] again some other time with a different video.
[1:09] But with all that being said, let's get into the case.
[1:11] So like I said today we're talking about a serial killer
[1:14] known as Crazy Dave, which is 1 hell of a serial killer nickname
[1:18] isn't it? David Edward Most was born on
[1:20] April 5th, 1954 in Pennsylvania to parents George and Eva, who
[1:26] were both very effed up in their own ways.
[1:29] His father, George had had a very abusive and traumatic
[1:33] childhood, so that was definitely affecting his
[1:36] parenting style. But also he was never really
[1:40] home. He spent as much time as he
[1:42] could at work or in the pub or anywhere but home.
[1:47] He didn't want to spend time, particularly with his wife
[1:50] because his wife Eva, David's mother, was very, very mentally
[1:55] ill. Like severely mentally ill to
[1:57] the point where she was having violent outbursts.
[2:00] She was very aggressive. She was just very, very
[2:03] tumultuous in her emotions. She's been described as
[2:06] marginally functioning. She was barely even a human
[2:10] being, never mind a mother to multiple children.
[2:13] I think there was 4 in total. David and all of his siblings.
[2:17] And of course, her husband's away at work or in the pub all
[2:19] the time. She's very, very mentally ill
[2:21] and caring for four kids on her own.
[2:24] She wasn't doing well at all. And of course, because George
[2:27] was never really home, the people that got the brunt of
[2:31] Eva's anger and her outbursts were her four children.
[2:35] She was verbally and physically abusive towards the kids.
[2:38] She would shout at them, scream at them, beat them physically.
[2:42] She would scream at them all the time.
[2:44] She would withhold food as punishment, like starve her
[2:47] kids. Some sources even said that she
[2:49] sexually abused her son. Then when David was just seven
[2:53] years old, his father filed for divorce against his mother.
[2:57] And this was going to leave her a single mother to four
[3:01] children. Again, she was very mentally
[3:04] ill. There is no way that she could
[3:06] cope on her own in those circumstances.
[3:09] She just couldn't handle it. And within two years, she ended
[3:12] up giving David up at the age of nine years old.
[3:15] But she didn't give him up to like a care home or into foster
[3:19] care or anything like that. She gave him up to a mental
[3:23] institution. She claimed that David was very
[3:26] mentally ill and needed urgent care.
[3:28] She said that he had actually tried to kill his younger
[3:31] brother twice and his younger brother was a baby as well.
[3:35] She said that there was one time where he tried to light his crib
[3:38] on fire with some matches. There was another time that
[3:40] apparently he tried to drown him in like a swimming pool or like
[3:44] a lake. So the mental institution are
[3:46] hearing all of this from this boy's mum and they're like, Oh
[3:48] my God, OK. They take him in.
[3:50] You know, they're doing all these assessments and stuff, but
[3:53] they're realizing over time that like this kid doesn't seem
[3:56] anything like what his mother was describing.
[3:59] This was relatively common at the time that parents that were
[4:03] either mentally ill themselves or parents that just knew they
[4:06] couldn't care for their children, they would sometimes
[4:09] drop them at mental institutions and just claim that they were
[4:12] mentally ill so that the hospitals would take them in and
[4:15] care for them. I mean, I don't understand why
[4:17] you would opt for a hospital when there are care homes and
[4:20] foster care that is still an option.
[4:21] I would maybe understand if that wasn't an option anymore and you
[4:25] just desperately needed somewhere for the kid to go.
[4:27] But oh, I definitely didn't say this before, but it's doubted
[4:30] that he tried to kill his little brother at all.
[4:33] Obviously if he had tried to kill his little brother twice,
[4:35] he probably does need putting in a mental institution.
[4:38] But that is very highly doubted because like I say, Eva was
[4:42] really really mentally ill to the point where she was
[4:44] delusional. She would lie a lot, whether
[4:48] that was conscious lying or subconscious lying.
[4:50] Maybe she didn't mean to lie, maybe she just believed her
[4:54] delusions so powerfully. But either way, it's not
[4:58] entirely believed that he tried to kill his brother when he was
[5:01] younger. But at the same time, we don't
[5:03] know. We weren't there.
[5:05] So maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
[5:06] But either way, he is in this mental institution now.
[5:09] And it was awful, as were pretty much all mental and mental
[5:14] institutions at the time. They were really kind of
[5:17] abusive. They were very strict.
[5:20] This one in particular had like really bad hygiene and just big
[5:23] basic stuff like that. It was genuinely like torture
[5:27] living in this hospital. Everything was neglected from
[5:30] like patient care to basic human rights, a clean toilet.
[5:35] You know, he shared a bedroom, which was not a bedroom.
[5:38] It was just like a big hall with 50 other boys and better in
[5:42] mind. Most of them are like criminals
[5:45] or they're dangerous or they're very mentally ill.
[5:48] That's why they're there. That's why they're in this
[5:50] mental institution. And it was quite frustrating for
[5:53] David going through all of this because he knew that he didn't
[5:55] belong there. He was trying to tell people.
[5:58] And honestly, the staff noticed that he wasn't very mentally
[6:03] ill. I mean, maybe he might have had
[6:04] something or other, but the staff certainly didn't think
[6:07] that he was mentally ill enough to warrant being in hospital.
[6:10] You know, he's taking up a bed that someone else could have,
[6:14] someone that really, truly needs it.
[6:15] And it was deemed that David wasn't a danger to himself or to
[6:18] anyone else. There was no need for him to be
[6:20] in this hospital anymore. He had been there for quite some
[6:24] time to say that they've known that he wasn't mentally ill for
[6:27] quite a while. They'd kept him there regardless
[6:29] because I think they'd figured out that his mother was very
[6:33] mentally ill and that was the situation here.
[6:36] So they kept him and I think just to, to let his mother have
[6:40] some time off to, to get better, I guess.
[6:44] I think they knew the home situation and they thought that
[6:46] the hospital would be a better place for David Moss right now
[6:49] at this point in his childhood. So he was there for a few years.
[6:52] And honestly, the only thing that they noted about his mental
[6:55] health the whole time that he was there was that he used to
[6:58] just get sad about his mum and dad's divorce.
[7:01] He used to miss his mum and his dad and he he felt rejected and
[7:05] abandoned by them. I think that was kind of what
[7:08] was making him the most sad. But even that even then, he
[7:11] wasn't mentally ill. He was a child going through
[7:14] divorce. It's natural for him to feel
[7:17] upset and to feel abandoned and rejected.
[7:20] Those are feelings that children of divorce do have to process.
[7:23] Doesn't mean they need to be in a mental institution.
[7:25] So when David was 13 years old, the hospital discharged him and
[7:30] Eva put up a fight. She did not want her son to come
[7:34] home. She wanted the hospital to keep
[7:36] him. And they were like, I'm sorry,
[7:38] but we can't. He doesn't need to be here and
[7:41] there are a lot of other children that do.
[7:43] So take him back. So Eva took him back, but she
[7:47] didn't want him and she made that very clear.
[7:50] She was not nice to this child. I don't know what she was like
[7:53] to the other ones or if it was specifically with David, but she
[7:57] was not nice to him at all. He felt very unwelcome in her
[8:00] house. She didn't want to look after
[8:02] him. She didn't want him there.
[8:03] She didn't want David to be in her household, in her family.
[8:07] And so she sent him off to a care home.
[8:09] This time he went to like an all boys home slash school kind of
[8:15] thing, and this was when his situation went from bad to
[8:19] worse. Because once he joined this
[8:21] school, he was sexually assaulted by one of the older
[8:25] boys and this was his first ever sexual experience was being
[8:30] exploited and violated like that in a in a very new setting as
[8:34] well. That really sets the tone for
[8:36] him starting at this care home school thing.
[8:39] David said that he absolutely hated that situation that he
[8:42] went through, of course, but he did say that it kind of opened
[8:47] his eyes to a whole other situation that he'd never even
[8:51] thought about before, and that was having sex with another man.
[8:55] He'd never even considered that in his brain until this boy
[8:59] forced himself on him, as awful as that was, and it made him
[9:04] realise that that was a thing that he could do.
[9:06] No, not rape anyone, not sexually assault anyone, just
[9:10] have sex with another man. Over the coming weeks David
[9:12] noticed that this was quite a common thing in this care home
[9:16] school thing. A lot of the boys, because it
[9:18] was an all boys home and teenage boys, you know, they're
[9:22] discovering things about themselves and they're
[9:25] experimenting and when there's only other lads around they
[9:29] start doing it together. Basically what I'm trying to say
[9:31] is everyone in the school was basically hooking up with each
[9:34] other and David noticed that and he was like maybe I'm a try
[9:38] that. So he approached one of his
[9:40] friends and he offered him a packet of cigarettes if he would
[9:43] perform a sex act on him and I think the friend obliged.
[9:48] So that was his first like proper sexual experience that
[9:51] was not, you know, the horrible first one.
[9:53] From then on, life at the care home wasn't so bad, apart from
[9:57] that first traumatic day. I don't know if it was on the
[10:00] first day that that happened, but that that first traumatic
[10:03] experience that he had was a one off.
[10:06] From that point on, he got on well with the rest of the boys.
[10:09] He was getting on with his studies.
[10:11] He was experimenting, You know, he was an incredibly intelligent
[10:17] person. Was David Most.
[10:18] He was known to have really, really good memory, really good
[10:21] fact recall. He was apparently really good
[10:24] with like, numbers and dates. And yeah, overall he was getting
[10:27] on really well at this school. His grades were doing all right.
[10:30] Honestly, to say that he had such a traumatic and turbulent
[10:34] childhood, his grades maintained like, really, like, really,
[10:38] really well. I think he was just naturally
[10:40] very intelligent to the point where even going through loads
[10:44] of shit in his life couldn't knock that.
[10:46] He wasn't going to lose focus, it was just naturally who he
[10:49] was. So yeah, he settled in really,
[10:51] really well at this All boys home, but it wasn't long before
[10:55] disturbing thoughts started to creep in.
[10:58] He was having thoughts about hurting the people around him,
[11:02] hurting his classmates, and it's not clear how long he'd been
[11:06] having these thoughts, but the first time he actually acted on
[11:10] them was when he was 13 years old.
[11:12] He was just out playing with another kid when he just grabbed
[11:15] this other boy by the throat and started choking him with his
[11:19] bare hands. He held it for a while as well,
[11:22] like he had hold of this boy for for such a long time that he was
[11:25] like gasping. He was going red.
[11:28] He could see that this boy was panicking.
[11:31] He thought he was gonna die. And that was finally when David
[11:34] let go. The kids survived this ordeal,
[11:36] even though it was it must have been traumatic.
[11:38] He held his throat until near passing out.
[11:42] That was David's first, like noted violent outburst.
[11:46] We don't know if there were some before that, but this is the
[11:48] first one that he himself has, like, admitted to.
[11:51] And he said that he felt really remorseful after it, actually.
[11:55] But that didn't stop him from doing the exact same thing again
[11:58] two years later. Now he was 15 years old.
[12:01] He was still in this care home. And, and one day, he and another
[12:04] boy were sitting alone in a room watching TV when he literally
[12:08] just launched himself at this lad and started strangling him
[12:11] again. Again, he let go just as this
[12:14] boy was getting to the brink of passing out.
[12:17] He pushed it until the very limit and then he would let go.
[12:20] I don't think at this point that he was aiming to kill.
[12:24] I don't think he was looking to kill.
[12:25] I think he was just looking to inflict pain and terror and Thea
[12:30] he wanted to see it in his victim's face.
[12:32] And then when he realized that it had kind of gotten to enough,
[12:36] now he would get off, but it was actually this second boy that he
[12:40] did it to. This boy ran and told the
[12:43] teachers or the staff at the care home, and they got David
[12:47] Moss sent back to the mental institution.
[12:49] And he absolutely hated it there.
[12:51] So did every other kid in there. They all desperately wanted out.
[12:56] And David got there and he very quickly made friends with a
[12:59] couple of other lads who felt the exact same way.
[13:01] And they all came with a plan together to try and escape the
[13:05] hospital. I don't know how on earth they
[13:07] did it, but they successfully managed to get off of hospital
[13:11] grounds. So they were all out into the
[13:13] world and they all decided to just like run in their separate
[13:16] directions. They all had different places
[13:18] that they were going. I presume most of them were
[13:20] going home. That was where David was going
[13:22] to go. He was going to try and find his
[13:24] way back to his mother's house. So he walked and walked and
[13:26] walked until he got there. And he hadn't been home in
[13:30] years, not not properly anywhere, but he, he never
[13:33] expected things to have changed as much as they had when he
[13:37] walked into that house. His mother had a new boyfriend.
[13:40] She was acting totally different.
[13:42] She, she didn't seem to want him at all.
[13:45] She very clearly did not appreciate her son being back in
[13:49] her life. And within a few days of him
[13:51] being there, she was already pushing him to sign up for the
[13:54] Army just to get him out of her hair.
[13:57] And honestly, right now, that didn't sound too bad to David.
[14:00] He didn't feel appreciated or accepted at home and so he
[14:04] thought, fine, yeah, I will go in the Army.
[14:07] He was very, very young when he was accepted into the Army.
[14:10] In fact, a few people I've seen online have speculated that his
[14:14] mother lied on the applications, put the wrong birthday so that
[14:18] she could get him sent in earlier than he was actually
[14:21] allowed. So yeah, he was really, really
[14:23] young. And the 1st place that he was
[14:25] stationed was Frankfurt in Germany.
[14:28] David's job in the Army was actually going to be to be a
[14:31] chef. So they put him in loads of,
[14:33] like, cooking courses. They made him, I don't know,
[14:35] learn to cook because he wasn't going to be out on the front
[14:38] lines, you know, like fighting for his life or anything.
[14:40] He was going to be a cook in the military base.
[14:43] And this base that he was put on, by the way, it wasn't just
[14:46] for people in the Army. It kind of housed anyone, mainly
[14:51] people in the army, of course, but there were just, you know,
[14:53] normal families that lived there as well.
[14:55] So naturally he got chatting to a bunch of strangers and he
[14:59] ended up befriending mainly young boys.
[15:03] There was one in particular, a 13 year old called James
[15:06] Mcclister. And he really, really looked up
[15:09] to David most. He kind of saw him as like an
[15:11] older brother figure, maybe even like a father figure, but he
[15:15] just thought he was so cool and he he wanted to be just like
[15:18] David. David was an avid bowler on the
[15:22] Army bowling team. I didn't know that that was a
[15:24] thing, but he was on the team. He was really good at it.
[15:27] He used to take James to the bowling alley that they had on
[15:31] the on the on the military base site.
[15:33] I don't know. And he used to like teach him
[15:35] how to do it, show him how he does it so well.
[15:38] And James was fascinated by David.
[15:40] Their relationship was, of course, very predatory.
[15:44] David wasn't in this just to teach a kid how to ball.
[15:48] He was attracted to this 13 year old kid.
[15:51] We don't know if their relationship did actually
[15:54] progress into sexual abuse or not but I mean we know what
[15:58] David's intentions were there and they weren't they weren't
[16:02] wholesome. James would go around to David's
[16:04] house a lot, which David very quickly became paranoid about
[16:07] obviously because he's literally living amongst hundreds of his
[16:11] Co workers and a child is seen going into his bedroom multiple
[16:17] nights a week, staying there, leaving the next morning.
[16:20] He start to get very paranoid about what his colleagues that
[16:24] lived around him would think. Rightly so.
[16:27] The closest thing that we have to admittance of anything sexual
[16:32] between these two is a diary or journal entry that David Moss
[16:37] wrote where he said he woke up 1 morning.
[16:39] He was about, I want to say he was 1819 years old at this point
[16:43] and James is 13. He said he woke up 1 morning,
[16:46] they were both laid in his bed both naked and James was laid on
[16:51] top of them, a 13 year old child.
[16:53] It's believed that this incident when he woke up to James on top
[16:57] of him. This was a reality check moment
[17:00] for David Most. He had these every now and again
[17:03] where he would get really heinous.
[17:06] He would commit some of the worst shit ever.
[17:08] And then he would have like a reality breaking moment where
[17:11] he's like, fuck, what am I doing?
[17:13] And I think this was another one of those moments where he woke
[17:16] up to this kid on top of him and he was like, Oh my God, this
[17:19] relationship is twisted. And I think it was at this point
[17:23] that David knew that he had to do something about it.
[17:26] He knew he had to end this relationship, but he wasn't
[17:29] going to do it in any kind of easy way.
[17:33] Not long after that incident took place, David persuaded
[17:36] James to go on a bike ride with him.
[17:38] Motorbike ride. David drove a motorbike and he
[17:41] was like just get on the back. And so he did.
[17:44] He hopped on the back of this bike.
[17:45] James was really excited, wrapped his arms around David
[17:49] and they drove off. They drove for miles and miles
[17:52] until they kind of just got out into the middle of nowhere.
[17:54] They ended up on a dirt track where David stopped this bike
[17:58] and the two of them jumped off and this was where everything
[18:01] switched. When they got off of that bike,
[18:04] it was like James was getting off with a completely different
[18:07] David. David had suddenly turned cold
[18:10] and unemotional. He was just different.
[18:13] He grabbed James and dragged him over to a tree.
[18:16] He like held him against the tree as he pulled some rope out
[18:19] of his pocket and tied this kid to the tree.
[18:23] And once he had this scared little boy tied up and unable to
[18:28] defend himself, David Moss just starts beating him with his bare
[18:32] hands. And then when he got bored of
[18:34] that, he found a wooden plank on the floor, picked that up,
[18:37] started doing it. With that he beat him
[18:39] continuously for minutes and minutes and minutes on end until
[18:43] eventually he had killed him. James Mcclister was murdered by
[18:49] one of the men that he loved the most in this world.
[18:53] Someone that he viewed as an older brother figure that was
[18:56] there to protect him and teach him things.
[18:59] Someone that he trusted more than anyone.
[19:02] David united James's dead body from the tree and he just
[19:07] dropped it on the floor and then covered it over with leaves and
[19:10] then fled the scene. Didn't even bother to dig him a
[19:14] shallow grave, he just shoved leaves over him and got out of
[19:17] there. The body remained there for a
[19:18] whole month until it was found. Somehow this must have been a
[19:22] very isolated area because for it to just be covered with
[19:25] leaves, I'm surprised that wasn't found sooner.
[19:27] Police were actually very quick to get to David, Most as a
[19:31] suspect. In this case, maybe not a
[19:33] suspect, more so a person of interest because of course
[19:36] they'd spoken to a load of James Mcclister's friends and they had
[19:39] mentioned this older 19 year old David that James was always
[19:45] hanging out with. So police looked into it.
[19:47] They found David Moss. Police spoke with him within
[19:50] like the first week of James's disappearance.
[19:52] So before they'd even found a body, they didn't even know this
[19:54] was a murder case yet. Police spoke with David Moss and
[19:58] they near enough ruled him out. They didn't think that he had
[20:01] anything to do with this. But now that the case was a
[20:04] murder, now that they'd found his body, they decided to
[20:06] essentially refresh the whole case and they went back to look
[20:10] at David, but this time they had more evidence against him.
[20:13] I don't know what they had. But probably from finding the
[20:16] body, they were then able to find more evidence there.
[20:19] They had more evidence against David Morse this time.
[20:22] And they told him that they let him know that they had something
[20:25] against him. And this just completely broke
[20:27] him. He just broke down and confessed
[20:30] to murdering James Mcclister. But he said it was an accident,
[20:35] right? He said that the two of them had
[20:37] been out on that motorbike and they'd gotten into a, into a
[20:40] crash, like an accidental crash, and it had killed James.
[20:44] And David felt so bad that he had been the one to invite James
[20:49] onto the back of his bike and then crash it and kill this poor
[20:52] boy, that he didn't want to admit to anyone that he was
[20:56] dead. And so he just panicked and hid
[20:58] the body and just carried on as if nothing had happened.
[21:00] That was what David Moss told the police.
[21:02] We know that's not true, but that's what he told them.
[21:05] He swore to police that he didn't mean to do it.
[21:09] It was just a tragic accident and he dealt with it in a less
[21:13] than favourable way. That was what he was trying to
[21:15] say and for some reason people believed it, which makes me so
[21:19] mad. So they found the body.
[21:21] At this point, how can you not tell the difference between a
[21:25] kid that's been beaten to death with someone's hands and a plank
[21:29] of wood versus what the body would look like from a motorbike
[21:33] accident? I don't know.
[21:34] Would they look the same? Surely there's differences
[21:37] between how the body would have been found.
[21:39] But either way, David Most was not charged with murder.
[21:42] Instead, he was charged with involuntary manslaughter and he
[21:45] was sentenced to four years in prison for the death of James
[21:49] Mcclister. No one knew at this point that
[21:52] he had murdered him. And honestly, David Moss kind of
[21:55] liked it in prison. He was kind of thriving in
[21:57] there. That was that was his thing
[21:59] because he knew now that he was a danger to society and he
[22:05] didn't want to be in it. He didn't like what he'd done to
[22:08] James Mcclister. He immediately regretted it.
[22:11] And at least here in prison, he, he knew that he was away from
[22:14] society and he couldn't do that. And it gave him a lot of peace
[22:19] to know that he didn't have to control himself and control
[22:24] those urges himself. The prison wasn't going to let
[22:26] him kill anyone. So he was safe there.
[22:28] David Most was a model prisoner. He was very well behaved.
[22:33] He completed a course to get a diploma.
[22:36] He was doing a bunch of different skill courses.
[22:38] He would write home to his family like every week.
[22:41] He did a lot for like, like their little community.
[22:45] He was actually so well behaved in prison that he was offered
[22:49] the chance to apply for parole early, which he actually turned
[22:53] down because like I said, he wanted to be in prison.
[22:57] He was scared of being released because he was scared of what he
[23:00] was capable of. He had a real urge to kill, or
[23:04] at least to cause very serious harm, and this urge was with him
[23:08] nearly 24/7. It was very rare that he wasn't
[23:11] feeling it, and sometimes he would feel it so much that he
[23:16] felt that he didn't have control over whether he acted on it or
[23:20] not. He didn't want to leave prison
[23:22] and risk acting on these depraved urges again.
[23:26] But but he couldn't stay in prison forever.
[23:28] And in 1977, David was released at the age of 23.
[23:32] He was sent back out into the world.
[23:34] He moved to Chicago when he was released.
[23:36] He got another job. He really tried to do like a
[23:39] whole fresh start thing. Well, that's what he kind of
[23:42] made it look like. That's what he made it appear to
[23:45] be. But actually David had started
[23:48] hanging around in a lot of places where he knew he would
[23:52] interact with young boys, teenage boys.
[23:55] He would spend a lot of his free time at the skate park or at
[23:58] swimming pools or at our kids, the cinema, game shops,
[24:02] literally anywhere that young boys flock to.
[24:05] So would David Moss. So on the one hand he's saying I
[24:09] don't want to be this awful murderer, this violent,
[24:13] aggressive person. So he's preventing himself from
[24:15] acting on those urges, yet he's still being a paedophile, still
[24:19] being a predator, still, you know, spying on young boys
[24:23] swimming. There was one particular boy
[24:25] that David was seen with a lot. And we don't know this boy's
[24:28] name, but he was very, very young.
[24:30] He was about 13 or 14. And honestly, the way that these
[24:34] two acted, if the boy had of been around David's age, he
[24:38] would have assumed that they were boyfriends because they
[24:40] were so close. They were so like clearly
[24:44] intimate out in public, but this was a 13 year old boy and a 23
[24:49] year old man. David would provide this kid
[24:51] with drugs and alcohol. He would bring him around to his
[24:54] house all the time where they would just drink and watch
[24:56] movies and smoke weed. And then one night when they
[25:00] were just hanging out, David got that urge to kill once again.
[25:05] He waited until his young friend was asleep.
[25:08] He then went to the kitchen, grabbed a knife, and stabbed
[25:11] this kid about 5 or 6 times before he woke up and managed to
[25:16] push David off of him. Somehow this kid managed to go
[25:20] to the hospital and get treated for these injuries, and he
[25:23] survived. After being stabbed 5 or 6 times
[25:26] in the stomach, he was nearly disemboweled and he survived
[25:30] that. And of course, because he did
[25:32] survive, he was able to tell police everything.
[25:34] He knew exactly who had done this to him.
[25:36] And so David Most was charged with attempted murder.
[25:40] But the most frustrating twist ever, he managed to get away
[25:44] with it. He said he's written in his
[25:46] journal, his diary thing that he stood up there on the dock, what
[25:52] is it where they get asked questions in court.
[25:54] He stood up there and lied, and he wrote about it in his
[25:58] journal, laughing about the fact that he lied and he managed to
[26:01] get away with it. Everyone believed his lies not
[26:04] long after that. So he'd gotten away with that
[26:06] and police were leaving him alone and he was trying to get
[26:09] back on with his life, but never worked for David Moss.
[26:12] He was always overcome with some sort of negative emotion, and
[26:16] right now he was really fixating on that boy that had sexually
[26:21] assaulted him in the care home. I don't know if something might
[26:24] have triggered it around this particular time.
[26:26] I don't know, but for some reason he was really fixating on
[26:29] that boy and he really wanted revenge for what he had done to
[26:34] him all those years ago. And now David Most wanted to
[26:37] hunt that guy down and get back at him.
[26:40] He wanted to kill his rapist, so he set out to go and find him.
[26:45] I believe he did actually know where the boy's house was, like
[26:49] at the time when they were in this care home, he knew where
[26:51] his family lived. So he made his way to that
[26:54] house. But obviously by now this boy
[26:57] had grown up and moved out and he wasn't there.
[26:59] So David Moss went to his house and was unsuccessful in finding
[27:04] this guy. So he starts walking home and
[27:06] he's feeling pretty defeated. He had set out to get revenge on
[27:10] his rapist that night and now he can't.
[27:12] So he's just walking down the street and then he notices this
[27:16] 15 year old boy walking towards him.
[27:18] This young lad was called Donald Jones.
[27:21] David Moss approached him and asked if he would be willing to
[27:25] do some tasks for him to get a little bit of money.
[27:29] And I don't know if he told him straight up what these tasks
[27:32] were, but I think he gave the impression implied that they
[27:37] were quite like shady tasks, maybe little like petty crimes,
[27:40] maybe drug trafficking of some sort.
[27:43] Either way, Donald Jones got the vibe of what David was asking
[27:47] him to do and he was up for it. He wanted a bit of money.
[27:50] And so David invited Donald to get into his car and they were
[27:54] going to go for a drive and they could chat about it.
[27:56] So they did, Donald jumped in the car and the two of them are
[27:59] driving for hours, just chatting.
[28:01] After a while of driving, they eventually arrived at a quarry
[28:04] which was like pretty much completely abandoned, and David
[28:08] stopped the car there. He reached into the back of the
[28:11] car and grabbed 2 beers and he handed one to this 15 year old
[28:14] boy and they crack him open and they're chatting for a while.
[28:17] They go through a good few amount of drinks.
[28:19] They were here for about an hour or so and they were chatting
[28:23] normally. They were having a good time.
[28:25] That was until David just switched again like he did last
[28:29] time. It was like he was friendly,
[28:30] friendly, friendly until he wasn't anymore.
[28:32] And then he was a completely different man.
[28:34] He was cold, he was emotionless. He grabbed Donald and just threw
[28:39] him to the ground where he started beating him with his
[28:42] bare hands. He was kicking him.
[28:43] He was, he was really beating him up.
[28:45] He stabbed him. He choked him as well.
[28:48] Choking was a big thing for David.
[28:50] Most, I don't know what the psychology was behind it for
[28:53] him, but that was something that he did to every single one of
[28:56] his victims, whether they were a surviving one or one that lost
[28:59] their lives. That was something that was very
[29:02] steady throughout David's crimes.
[29:04] But he wasn't even done there. So he'd beaten this boy, choked
[29:07] him, stabbed him, and somehow Donald was still alive and David
[29:12] wasn't done there. To finish it all off, David
[29:16] grabbed Donald and threw him into a body of water at the
[29:19] quarry and just left him there, knowing that he was too weak,
[29:23] too injured to have been able to pull himself out of that water.
[29:27] He was just going to drown in there and die.
[29:30] Donald Jones was 15 at the time, like I said, and David Moss was
[29:33] about 27, I want to say, when he killed him, and he's killed two
[29:38] people now. So he's not a serial killer just
[29:40] yet. That's not for lack of trying,
[29:42] though. He did try and kill one other
[29:44] person, but he wasn't successful.
[29:46] So that was just an attempted murder.
[29:48] If it had been successful, he would be a serial killer right
[29:51] now, but he was going to keep trying anyway.
[29:53] He was going to get that in the next couple of days.
[29:55] Before Donald Jones's body was even found, David decided to run
[29:59] away to Texas. He didn't even want to be there
[30:02] when they found Donald's body. He didn't want the chance of it
[30:05] getting traced back to him. So he just ran away, went to
[30:08] start a new life once again. But he only continued being a
[30:12] menace to society there in Texas as well.
[30:14] He was doing the same thing where he would go up to these
[30:16] young boys that he was very clearly attracted to and trying
[30:20] to, you know, do awful things with.
[30:24] He would approach these boys and just like with Donald, he would
[30:27] offer them money for like little jobs that didn't even exist.
[30:31] They were fake jobs. He never had any jobs that he
[30:33] wanted him to do. It was just a good way to lure
[30:37] these young boys into his company alone because what young
[30:41] lad is going to turn down a bit of money for doing an easy task?
[30:46] Teenagers are desperate for a bit of pocket money, and if it's
[30:48] a little job that they think is quite easy, then of course, of
[30:51] course they're going to take it. His next victim was a 14 year
[30:54] old boy that he had done this to this.
[30:56] This boy had voluntarily gotten into David's car on the promise
[30:59] that he was going to set him up on some odd jobs to earn a bit
[31:02] of money. The two of them started driving.
[31:05] David drove them all the way to a motel, and I don't know at
[31:08] what point this 14 year old boy realized that this wasn't legit
[31:13] and it wasn't as it seemed. But either way, they got to this
[31:18] motel. They got inside the bedroom.
[31:20] David then threw the boy on the bed and tied him to it so he
[31:24] couldn't move, he couldn't defend himself.
[31:26] And then David just starts beating him with his hands with
[31:30] different objects as weapons. But then suddenly he stopped.
[31:34] It was as if that that violent, aggressive part of his brain had
[31:38] just switched off again. It was as if normal David was
[31:41] suddenly in the room again. It was like normal David had
[31:44] gone and he was just now back in his body and he was seeing what
[31:48] he was doing. He dropped the weapons and he
[31:50] was disgusted in himself that he had essentially caught himself
[31:55] doing this again. Apparently in that moment he
[31:58] started sobbing. Like crying, screaming, wailing
[32:03] uncontrollably because he had realized in that moment what an
[32:08] evil monster he had become. He was abusing this child that
[32:15] he had kidnapped and tied to a bed.
[32:17] He had murdered two people before, tried to murder others.
[32:22] And it was as if he was just realizing all of this in this
[32:25] moment. He had these moments quite a
[32:26] lot. Moments of realization where it
[32:29] was like he would snap into a sane mind for a very short
[32:33] amount of time and then he'd be out of it again within like a
[32:35] day. But because he was in this kind
[32:37] of state of mind right now, he just let this teenager go.
[32:40] He felt really bad for what he'd done, so he let the kid go.
[32:43] The kid obviously went to police.
[32:45] David got caught and he was sentenced to another five years
[32:48] in prison for this. And actually it was while he was
[32:51] in prison for this assault of this 14 year old boy, that was
[32:55] when police were getting on to him about connections to the
[32:58] Donald Jones murder. Because what state was that in
[33:01] Chicago? It was in a different state
[33:03] completely. And police there were kind of
[33:06] trying, obviously trying to figure out who had killed
[33:08] Donald. And they were looking for people
[33:10] that lived in the area at the time that had, like, serious
[33:14] criminal records. And of course, David Moss popped
[33:16] up because he had been in prison for manslaughter, all sorts.
[33:20] So they tried to track him down for an interview.
[33:22] They tried to call him in. And that was when they realized
[33:24] that he had very suspiciously skipped town right after Donald
[33:29] went missing. It was all looking a bit a bit
[33:32] dodgy right now, and that was when they also noticed that his
[33:35] home address was not far from where Donald's body was found.
[33:40] It was literally like a few streets away.
[33:42] He had taken Donald. They'd driven for ages, must
[33:45] have driven in like loops, and then he'd eventually brought him
[33:48] back to this quarry that was very close to his house because
[33:51] he knew that that was probably a good place to kill someone quiet
[33:55] without anyone noticing. But yeah, police are finding all
[33:57] these little pieces of evidence, and they're all pointing to
[34:00] David being the killer, aren't they?
[34:02] So they start looking into where David most is right now.
[34:06] And that was when they learned that he is currently in prison
[34:09] in Texas for the attempted murder of another young boy.
[34:12] That's practically the exact same crime that they're
[34:16] investigating right now, a teen boy that has been assaulted and
[34:19] killed, and he is literally convicted of doing that exact
[34:23] thing. Just a couple, couple of months
[34:24] prior, police really think that they're on to him now.
[34:27] They pretty much knew that David was the killer here, and so they
[34:31] charged him with the murder and they got him extradited back out
[34:34] to Illinois for the trial. But it actually took 12 years
[34:38] for this murder case to go to trial.
[34:40] For 12 years, he'd been extradited to Illinois and he
[34:44] was just sitting in a holding cell for 12 years.
[34:49] Anyway, eventually this goes to trial.
[34:51] He is found guilty of the murder of Donald Jones.
[34:54] In fact, I think he pled guilty to it.
[34:56] I don't even think he tried to get away with it.
[34:58] He pled guilty and then he was sentenced to just over 30 years
[35:01] in prison. A lot of sources said different
[35:04] things. It was between 30 and 35 years.
[35:06] But, and you're not going to believe this.
[35:08] You're not going to like this guys, hold on.
[35:10] They actually took 12 years off of that sentence that they gave
[35:14] him because he had just been sitting in prison for 12 years
[35:17] waiting for the trial. So they decided to count that in
[35:20] his sentence, which I know some of you won't agree with.
[35:23] Some of you might agree with it, but this next part I know a lot
[35:26] of you won't agree with. Apparently he had been so well
[35:29] behaved in prison that they halved the rest of his time.
[35:34] So they took 12 years off that 30 summit and then whatever was
[35:37] left, they then halved that again because he been well
[35:42] behaved in prison, literally a murderer, literally a child
[35:45] murderer, a repeat offender, and they halved his time for good
[35:50] behaviour. So All in all, I think he only
[35:52] served about six years for the murder of a 15 year old boy.
[35:57] That makes me so angry. Well, to be fair, he did kind of
[36:01] serve the 12 years as he was waiting for trial.
[36:04] But I don't know, I don't actually know how I feel about
[36:06] that. Let me know how you feel about
[36:07] that. When the time came for David's
[36:09] early release, he was scared, said again, he was feeling those
[36:13] same feelings that he felt the last time they tried to release
[36:16] him from prison. He didn't think he belonged out
[36:18] there. He didn't want to be out there
[36:20] because despite him continually committing the same heinous
[36:26] crimes, he still maintained that he was disgusted in himself,
[36:29] disgusted in his actions, and he wanted to stop.
[36:32] He didn't want to be like that. So then why does he keep doing
[36:34] it? Murder is not an addiction that
[36:38] you can't help. You know, he was voluntarily
[36:41] putting himself in situations where he's going to meet young
[36:44] boys, and he knows that he wants to do this to young boys.
[36:48] So don't, don't go to the swimming pool.
[36:50] Simply don't go and pave on young boys at a swimming pool if
[36:53] you don't want to find yourself murdering one of them.
[36:55] If you know that that's what you're like, don't do it.
[36:58] Don't do it. He wanted to stay locked away
[37:00] from society forever because he knew that he just couldn't
[37:04] control these urges that he had. So much so that he actually
[37:07] wrote a 5 page letter to the Department of Corrections to
[37:12] like practically beg them to not let him out.
[37:15] The prosecutor on his trial even wrote a letter to the Department
[37:19] of Corrections as well saying the same thing, being like,
[37:22] look, this guy is really blooming dangerous.
[37:24] He is a repeat offender. He has shown that he has harmed
[37:29] teenage boys several Times Now, killed them, and we're just
[37:33] going to let him out. But despite all of this, they
[37:36] let him out anyway for some reason.
[37:38] And now he was in his late 40s. He tried to stay out of trouble
[37:43] a little bit when he came out of prison.
[37:45] But I mean, those urges were always going to creep back in,
[37:48] weren't they? The first time that he had a
[37:50] violent outburst after leaving prison, that time he was just
[37:54] like, chilling with his friend. And I think they got into an
[37:56] argument. And so David grabbed a big metal
[37:59] pipe and started beating his friend over the head with it.
[38:02] He fully like, this was some serious damage.
[38:05] He split this guy's head completely open.
[38:07] I've seen a picture of the star. It's huge.
[38:10] But David actually completely got away with this incident.
[38:13] It was never even reported to the police because the guy that
[38:17] he hit over the head was I think, wanted by police or at
[38:22] least police didn't like him. Either way, he wasn't mates with
[38:25] the police and he was not going to voluntarily go and speak to
[38:28] them and report this. So it was never reported.
[38:30] David was never he never saw any consequences for that again.
[38:34] After that, David tried to Layla for a little bit.
[38:37] I mean, his whole life was just a constant battle of getting
[38:41] into trouble and then regretting it, but then somehow forgetting
[38:46] that he regrets it and then going on to do it again.
[38:49] And then he gets hit by that remorse again.
[38:51] And honestly, it's up to you whether you believe it was
[38:53] genuine remorse and regret or whether he's just faking and
[38:56] pretending to try and get out of prison or whatever.
[38:59] But I don't know. There's something in me that
[39:01] really truly believes that he does have these remorseful
[39:06] episodes, if you can call it that.
[39:08] He seems to have flashes of conscious conscience, which you
[39:13] never really see in serial killers.
[39:14] It's more so the other way around where they're like good
[39:17] day-to-day and then they get these like evil flashes.
[39:20] Whereas he's evil day today and gets good flashes anywhere.
[39:25] After the pipe incident where he beat his friend of the head, he
[39:29] decided that he was once again going to move and get a fresh
[39:33] start. This time he decided to move to
[39:34] Indiana. But he did some research before
[39:37] he went and this man was pre planning how he was going to be
[39:42] a paedophile in Indiana. It's crazy.
[39:44] He chose where he was going to apply for jobs on purpose.
[39:49] Like he only applied for jobs in places where he knew that
[39:52] teenage boys were going to be. He ended up getting a job, I
[39:56] think it was a game shop. But yeah, he was applying at all
[39:58] the cinemas, arcades, game shops, anywhere that he would
[40:02] stalk before he now wanted to get a job there.
[40:05] So he had a legitimate reason to be around.
[40:09] Teenage boys all day. About a month into working at
[40:12] this game shop, David gets a new Co worker, 19 year old Nick
[40:16] James. And immediately David sets his
[40:19] sights on Nick James. He tried to establish just a
[40:23] normal friendship. Well, what seemed like a normal
[40:25] friendship to Nick, but of course David knew that it wasn't
[40:28] going to be a normal friendship. David starts chatting to him
[40:31] here and there at work. He invites him back to his
[40:34] apartment for drinks and Nick goes.
[40:36] He thinks he's making friends with this older Co worker.
[40:40] Little does he know that David has other plans.
[40:43] But as this French friendship is kind of going on, David realizes
[40:49] that Nick, he's kind of taking advantage of him.
[40:52] Like David would always buy his victims alcohol, drugs, give
[40:58] them money. He was, he was a groomer.
[41:01] Like that was a big characteristic of his murders,
[41:05] especially. He would groom the boys before
[41:08] he would kill them. He would spend months giving
[41:11] them everything they wanted, making him like them, making
[41:14] them like him. But the reason that David
[41:16] thought that Nick was using him was because he was doing all
[41:19] this usual stuff, buying him all this stuff, buying him mainly
[41:22] alcohol. And Nick would come to his
[41:24] house, they would have a drink or two of the alcohol and then
[41:28] Nick would take the rest of it home to have with his friends.
[41:32] And David felt used. He felt like Nick was just using
[41:35] him for the alcohol. He was just staying to be polite
[41:38] for one or two drinks. And then he would leave to go
[41:41] and spend time with other people that he preferred.
[41:44] And this made David feel awful. And as David started clocking on
[41:48] to this fact, he was getting really angry of course.
[41:52] And that was when he felt those murderous urges start to creep
[41:56] back in, this time as an act of revenge.
[41:59] So he invited Nick round to his house one more time.
[42:02] And it was just normal. It was just like the others.
[42:04] They were just sat there having a drink.
[42:06] And again, at some point, David just switched.
[42:10] He became cold, emotionless. He was, he was scaring Nick.
[42:14] Nick, he grabbed a bat and just started beating Nick to death
[42:18] with it. So he's going and going and
[42:20] going and then halfway through he just stops.
[42:22] And this time it wasn't in the same way as the previous times
[42:27] when he would stop halfway through and kind of realized
[42:29] what he was doing and and like give up.
[42:31] This time he paused because he realized that he was getting
[42:34] blood everywhere. Him beating this young boy on
[42:38] his floor was splattering too much blood all over the carpet
[42:42] and he needed to, he needed to minimize the mess.
[42:45] So he paused, right? Nick is fighting for his life on
[42:49] the floor, he is mourning in pain, right?
[42:52] David has paused for a second. He goes and gets out a large
[42:55] plastic tarp, lays it on the living room floor and then drags
[42:59] Nicks half lifeless body back onto this tarp where he then
[43:04] continues beating him until this time he actually killed him.
[43:09] Once he'd finished, David sat down for a second, caught his
[43:13] breath, and then wrapped Nick's body up in this plastic tarp and
[43:17] carried it down to the basement where he then just covered it in
[43:21] concrete, let the concrete set around it, and now this dead
[43:26] body was encased in the floor of his basement forever.
[43:31] He was hoping that no one was ever going to be to be able to
[43:34] find that body. If he had enclosed it in cement,
[43:37] no one was ever going to check inside the floor of his
[43:41] basement. Over the next few days, David
[43:43] Most went about life the same as always because he knew that he
[43:47] wasn't going to get caught. He knew that no one was going to
[43:50] find a body anytime soon. Meanwhile, Nick James's family
[43:53] are so panicked, unbelievably panicked.
[43:56] They have reported him missing to the police.
[43:58] Searches were done, missing persons posters were put out.
[44:01] But of course, Nick wasn't found.
[44:04] David had gotten away with it once again, only this time he
[44:09] didn't seem remorseful at all, and this was quite a rarity.
[44:14] At least he's not even pretending to be remorseful at
[44:17] this point. At this point, he fully admitted
[44:19] that, like he didn't care. In fact, this time, after the
[44:22] murder of Nick James, he was quite eager to do it again.
[44:25] And very quickly after he had encased his last murder victim
[44:29] in the cement of his floor, David Most was out looking for
[44:33] his next victim. The next victim that David Moss
[44:36] took a liking to was a 13 year old boy that he had been
[44:40] watching at the swimming pool for quite some time.
[44:42] He was called Michael Dennis. David called Michael over at the
[44:46] swimming pool and he told him about these bullshit jobs that
[44:50] he used to offer kids. Fake jobs, you know, for a
[44:52] little bit of money to lure them away.
[44:54] And Michael fell for it. Over the coming weeks, David and
[44:58] Michael formed a friendship, as much of A friendship as a
[45:02] nearing 50 year old man can have with a 13 year old boy.
[45:06] They start hanging out together a lot.
[45:08] David invites Michael back to his apartment most nights and
[45:11] actually Michael starts bringing his best friend round, which
[45:16] David is is more than happy for. This best friend was 16 year old
[45:20] James Ragani. James and Michael would go
[45:23] around to David's house, honestly most nights a week.
[45:26] That was kind of like their chill spot.
[45:28] He would give them alcohol, drugs, anything they wanted they
[45:32] had there. There was no reason for them to
[45:34] hang out anywhere else. This is what I mean.
[45:36] He would fully groom his victims because he knew that he was able
[45:39] to give them things that they wanted that they couldn't get
[45:43] themselves because they were either too young to drink or
[45:45] didn't have money for drugs or alcohol or anything.
[45:49] He knew that he could supply these kids with something that
[45:51] they needed, and that was how he was going to get close to them.
[45:54] So now that he's got these two victims in the palm of his hand,
[45:59] David Most decides to make his move.
[46:01] On this particular day, the three of them had been drinking
[46:04] since like noon, and it was now about 10:00 PM.
[46:07] So they were all very tired. All three of them just kind of
[46:10] passed out in different areas of the house.
[46:12] And David was the first of the three to wake up a couple of
[46:16] hours later. And he realized that right now
[46:19] was the perfect time. Both of them were asleep, the
[46:22] house was quiet, they were defenseless now.
[46:26] He could kill them both. So he first approached James
[46:29] Ragani, who was asleep on the bedroom floor.
[46:33] He walked over to him, wrapped a rope around his neck and just
[46:36] squeezed as tightly as he possibly could, so tight that
[46:40] James couldn't even make any kind of noise.
[46:43] He couldn't murmur in pain or anything.
[46:46] And David squeezed this rope until James his body went limp
[46:51] and he had killed him. After this, David actually had a
[46:54] bit of a rest. He waited for a few minutes,
[46:57] must have sat back on the bed, just with this dead body next to
[47:00] him. He gets his strength back, gets
[47:02] his breath back, and then he goes to find his next victim.
[47:05] He walked downstairs to where Michael Dennis was passed out in
[47:09] one of the chairs, asleep. David approached with the exact
[47:12] same rope that he had just used to kill this boy's best friend.
[47:16] He then wrapped it around Michael's neck too and did the
[47:19] exact same thing. He strangled both of those boys
[47:22] to death in one night and now he had two bodies to hide.
[47:26] So he goes back into his basement and he digs a really
[47:29] big hole, like twice as deep as the last one that he built, and
[47:33] then he drags both of these bodies in.
[47:35] He threw both of the bodies into the hole and then filled it up
[47:38] with concrete, hoping that again, no one was ever going to
[47:41] find any of these three bodies that were now encased in the
[47:45] floor of his basement. I know I keep reiterating that,
[47:49] but that's insane to me. That's like having bodies in
[47:51] your walls. That's horrifying.
[47:53] Later that same day the boy's parents had arrived home from
[47:56] work and they found, I don't know which boy's parents it was
[47:59] that found this, but one of them found a note from the 2 lads
[48:03] saying that they were running away and not to bother trying to
[48:07] find them. And we don't know whose idea
[48:09] this note is. And this really intrigues me.
[48:12] Was it David that made them write that note because he knew
[48:16] that he was going to kill them that night and he wanted, you
[48:18] know, some sort of explanation as to why they weren't around
[48:21] or, or did the boys write it? Did David make them believe that
[48:26] they were all going to run away? Did he tell them like, oh, yeah,
[48:28] let's all just move out somewhere?
[48:30] And did the boys write this note themselves because they actually
[48:33] thought they were running away? I wonder.
[48:35] Either way, whatever the circumstances, the boys parents
[48:38] were not happy that they had run away.
[48:39] They were 13 and 16 years old. They were worried about them.
[48:42] They wanted them back. And so they reported both of
[48:45] their boys missing. Police did their usual
[48:47] investigative work. They went and interviewed
[48:50] everyone in the boys lives, all their friends, and very quickly
[48:54] they found out about David Moss. The boys hadn't kept their
[48:58] friendship with David Moss a secret from their other friends
[49:01] because they didn't think there was anything weird in it.
[49:03] They didn't realize that they were getting groomed.
[49:06] They didn't realize Davidde true intentions with them.
[49:09] So they've just been like, yeah, we see this old guy that buys
[49:12] his alcohol and drugs all the time.
[49:14] It's sick. So now police know the name
[49:16] David Moss. They know that he was close with
[49:19] both of these young boys that have just gone missing.
[49:21] And so they decided to run his name on the database and that
[49:24] was when they pulled up his horrific violent criminal
[49:28] history and his specific victim type, all of these people that
[49:32] he was charged and convicted of assaulting or murdering, they
[49:36] were all young teenage boys, just like the two boys that were
[49:40] missing. So immediately police get a
[49:42] warrant to search David Moss House.
[49:44] They bring cadaver dogs in and everything.
[49:46] And they take these dogs down into the basement and they start
[49:50] barking at this one, like just in the corner of the room in one
[49:54] random little corner. And there wasn't even anything
[49:57] in that corner for them to be barking at.
[49:59] They were just barking. The guy that was working with
[50:02] the dogs thought that they were just being silly.
[50:05] So like you pulled him back into the middle of the room and he
[50:07] kind of like reset, you know, sent, sent them off again, but
[50:10] they just went into that same corner and started barking
[50:13] again. And he was like, I know this
[50:15] looks weird, but we need to trust them.
[50:17] They go into this spot for a reason.
[50:19] And they honestly tried to like reset the dogs multiple times.
[50:23] They like took them outside of the house and like reminded them
[50:26] what they were supposed to be smelling.
[50:28] I don't know, I don't know how the dog thing works, but they
[50:31] would take them into this basement and literally like 3-4
[50:33] times this happened where they went into the same corner and
[50:36] started barking. And the guy that like looked
[50:39] after the dogs, he was like, you better start like cracking into
[50:42] the walls and the floor because the dogs have the dogs have
[50:45] spoken. They were clearly trying to
[50:47] alert to something in that corner of the room, whatever it
[50:50] was. And so this guy recommended that
[50:52] they start cracking up in that concrete just in case.
[50:55] In the meantime, police started speaking with David most in
[50:59] relation to these two missing boys.
[51:00] And he said that he hadn't seen them in weeks.
[51:03] And he was worried, too. You know, he hadn't seen them in
[51:06] ages either. They ended up giving David a
[51:08] polygraph test about this to see if he'd actually seen the boys
[51:11] in the last two weeks. And it came back that he passed
[51:14] because, I mean, he wasn't lying.
[51:16] He hadn't seen the boys in a while because they were stuck in
[51:19] his walls. Actually, no, they were stuck in
[51:21] his floor. It was me that said the thing
[51:24] about bodies in the walls, wasn't it?
[51:25] So yeah, he technically passed that because I think they just
[51:28] asked the wrong questions and technically it is true he hadn't
[51:32] seen them in a while. But you know, polygraph tests
[51:35] are dodgy at the best of times. But I mean, back then they were
[51:37] probably believed a lot more. That being said, just because
[51:40] they kind of believed this polygraph test didn't mean that
[51:43] they were ruling him out as a suspect completely because I
[51:45] mean, the dog still had gone crazy in that one corner of his
[51:48] room. They were still going to look
[51:49] into that. That was still far too
[51:51] suspicious. And finally when they got
[51:53] permission to drill into the concrete in his basement, they
[51:56] found all the evidence they needed.
[51:59] They found all three boys bodies.
[52:01] And remember, they were only looking for two at this point in
[52:04] time. And then they stumble across the
[52:06] body of Nick James, one that they never expected to find, one
[52:10] that they had never even connected with David most.
[52:13] And then suddenly they're drilling through this concrete
[52:15] and they find the dead body of a missing boy that's been missing
[52:18] for months. So David was put on trial for
[52:21] these three murder and he was found guilty and then he was
[52:24] finally given a prison sentence that was worth serving.
[52:28] He was given three life terms, one for each of the boys lives
[52:32] that he had taken. Well, the ones that he was on
[52:35] trial for right now. He definitely didn't serve
[52:37] anywhere near enough for his previous crimes and its previous
[52:41] murder and attempted murders. But at least for this one, he
[52:45] was seeing some proper actual time in prison.
[52:47] He was never going to get out of prison.
[52:49] Three life terms. You're in there until you die.
[52:52] Honestly, it wasn't going to be very long until David did die.
[52:55] Just a month into his sentence, David Most committed suicide.
[53:00] He tied his bedsheets together and hung himself from the bars
[53:04] in his cell. At the age of 51, prison guards
[53:07] found a suicide note next to his body that confessed to five
[53:11] murders, all five that we've talked about in this video.
[53:14] He apologized to all of the families of his victims.
[53:17] He also implied in this note that he was disappointed that he
[53:20] hadn't gotten the death penalty for his murders because he truly
[53:24] felt that he deserved it, and he felt that if he had been kept in
[53:27] prison and kept away from society, he wouldn't have
[53:30] committed as many crimes as he had.
[53:33] He also said in this note that he didn't feel it was fair for
[53:37] people's tax money to be going towards keeping such a
[53:40] disgusting person like himself in prison.
[53:43] He knew that, and he didn't want people to have to pay for him.
[53:47] He wanted to die so that he was just gone from the world and he
[53:51] couldn't hurt anyone else. And that is all I have for this
[53:54] case. That was the story of Crazy
[53:56] Dave, and this one is such a crazy one.
[53:59] Like I said in the beginning, this is one of the most
[54:01] interesting cases to me because it's like he knows he's doing
[54:05] heinous things but he can't physically cannot stop himself.
[54:10] I'm so interested in the psychology of that.
[54:12] It seems to manifest as like an addiction for this man, although
[54:16] we don't know how accurate that is.
[54:18] He might be just wording it like that just to make people feel
[54:21] like sorry for him and make it sound like he didn't have a
[54:24] choice, he had to kill. I don't know, maybe he is quite
[54:27] manipulative in the way that he's wording that.
[54:28] But if it's genuine and if it did actually feel like an
[54:32] addiction to him, then that's crazy.
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