# 2: The Beheading on the Bus (Tim McLean Greyhound Bus Murder)

An episode of [Outlore with Eleanor Neale](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1682504024), 20 Apr 2023, 26 min.

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## Transcript

[0:05] Hello everyone, and welcome to Usual Disclaimer with Eleanor
[0:09] Neil, a true crime podcast where we crack open some of the most
[0:12] notorious cases in history. Given the topics that we'll be
[0:16] investigating, it goes without saying that this show comes with
[0:20] a content warning. The details can get a bit heavy
[0:23] and you might find some of the themes we discussed triggering.
[0:26] Listener discretion is strongly advised and check the
[0:29] description for some resources and further information.
[0:38] I just want to give my usual disclaimer that I mean
[0:41] absolutely no disrespect to anyone that I talk about in this
[0:43] video. This is all just information
[0:45] that I have found on the Internet and I'm compiling into
[0:48] one video. S Tim McLean was a 22 year old
[0:51] man born on October 3rd, 1985 in Manitoba in Canada.
[0:56] Tim was a very active person. He was very athletic, he loved
[1:00] sports, he loved adventures. He loved going out, traveling
[1:03] and doing new things, being very spontaneous in that way.
[1:06] Tim was very, very outgoing. He was very social, love to make
[1:10] friends, he could get on with anyone, and he was generally
[1:13] just very liked throughout his life, everyone that met him.
[1:16] So in the summer of 2007, Tim's friend Tiffany rang him up and
[1:20] said, like, what are your plans for the summer?
[1:22] Have you got a job? Are you going traveling?
[1:23] What are you doing this summer? And Tim just kind of said he
[1:26] didn't really have anything planned.
[1:28] And so Tiffany just said on the phone to him, pack a bag for at
[1:31] least a week. They could be gone for more than
[1:33] a week, but they're just going to go.
[1:34] They're just going to go off somewhere and do something over
[1:38] the summer. They're didn't have a plan.
[1:39] It was very spontaneous. So the two of them just kind of
[1:42] set off. Like I said, they didn't have a
[1:44] plan at all. And then they found a traveling
[1:46] carnival, a carnival that traveled all the way around
[1:49] Canada, and they thought, perfect, let's both get jobs
[1:52] here. We'll travel around Canada all
[1:54] summer. We'll meet a bunch of people our
[1:56] age. It'll be really fun working at
[1:57] this carnival. And so they both got jobs.
[1:59] And Tim really had a talent for working at this carnival.
[2:02] Like I said, he was a very outgoing person, and so being
[2:05] with the public all day really put him in his element.
[2:08] And then in the evenings, they had, like, wild parties.
[2:12] They'd all get drunk every night.
[2:13] And it just seemed like a really fun summer.
[2:16] And the two of them loved it so much that they just kind of
[2:18] stayed with them after summer. And they ended up being with
[2:21] this carnival for a full year, just traveling all over Canada.
[2:24] So eventually, in the following summer of 2008, Tim turned 22
[2:28] years old, and he decided it was probably time for him to settle
[2:32] down. He wanted to move to British
[2:34] Columbia in Canada. He wanted a permanent house, a
[2:37] permanent job, and he wanted to find a girlfriend and maybe
[2:40] start a family. Within the next few years.
[2:43] He decided that traveling wasn't really for him anymore.
[2:46] And then, in the end of July of 2008, the carnival was getting
[2:49] ready to move again. It moved like once every couple
[2:52] of months and this time it was moving from Edmonton to Regina
[2:56] and so Tim decided that this was perfect timing for him to leave
[2:59] the carnival. So instead of following the
[3:01] carnival to Regina, he was just going to go home to Winnipeg.
[3:04] The distance from where the carnival was in Edmonton and
[3:07] where Tim's parents lived in Winnipeg, where he was wanting
[3:10] to travel to, was a huge distance.
[3:13] It was either a 24 hour bus journey or a two hour plane
[3:17] ticket. Everyone that worked at the
[3:19] carnival didn't really have a lot of money either because they
[3:21] just kind of spent it as they were going on drinks and stuff.
[3:24] Like I said, they were partying every night, so no one really
[3:27] had a lot of money, but still. Tim's carnival friends all said
[3:30] that they would put together and try and afford a plane ticket
[3:33] for him to go back to Winnipeg. But Tim didn't really care.
[3:36] He didn't mind taking the 24 hour Greyhound bus all the way
[3:39] to Winnipeg. He'd done long journeys before
[3:42] and honestly, he didn't really want people to spend their money
[3:44] on him. So at one minute past midnight
[3:46] on July 30th, 2008, Tim McLean boarded the 1170 bus to
[3:51] Edmonton. Tim took a seat towards the back
[3:54] of the bus as he normally did. He sat 2 rows in front of the
[3:56] toilets and he began his 24 hour journey back to Winnipeg.
[4:01] And this bus had several different stops on its way to
[4:03] Winnipeg, but it was at one of the last stops where things took
[4:06] a turn at 6:55 PM the following day.
[4:09] Tim had been on the bus for nearly 17 hours and he really
[4:13] wasn't that far from home when the bus stopped in Ericsson in
[4:16] Manitoba. So a bunch of passengers got on,
[4:18] but the bus really wasn't that full to the point where people
[4:21] had to sit next to each other yet.
[4:22] So every just kind of had their own seat rows.
[4:26] Tim was asleep at this point right at the back of the bus,
[4:28] and most people as they were getting on this bus would fill
[4:31] it up from the front. So he wasn't really disturbed at
[4:34] all at this point. He just stayed asleep.
[4:36] After a couple of hours, the bus stopped again at another city
[4:39] for a meal break, and Tim just kind of got off, got himself
[4:42] some food and then got back on the bus.
[4:44] But when the passengers reboarded, one of the passengers
[4:47] that had got on at Ericsson a couple of hours ago decided to
[4:50] relocate seats. This man was originally sat
[4:53] relatively close to the front of the bus when he first got on,
[4:56] But this time, he grabbed his things from the seat that he was
[4:59] at before and started to walk up the aisle.
[5:02] And he was analyzing every single person as he went up.
[5:06] This man was a middle-aged looking Chinese man with a
[5:09] shaved head. He was tall and he was wearing
[5:11] sunglasses the whole time. And this man walked all the way
[5:14] to the back of the bus up to where Tim McLean was sitting.
[5:18] And Tim was the only person on the bus to have actually
[5:20] acknowledged him to say like, hi, how are you doing, doing
[5:22] whatever. And so even though the bus was
[5:24] half empty, this man could have sat by himself in his own seat
[5:28] and had a bit more space. He decided to sit next to Tim
[5:31] McClain. Anyway.
[5:32] Tim didn't think much of it and he just kind of fell back asleep
[5:35] with his head against the window.
[5:37] Whereas the passenger that had just sat next to him started to
[5:39] act really weirdly. According to other passengers,
[5:42] this guy was constantly holding A roll of toilet roll and he
[5:46] never put it down once on the whole bus journey.
[5:49] He was also holding A2 litre bottle of iced tea and he kept
[5:52] drinking from it, but obviously he needed two hands to undo the
[5:55] bottle. And so every time he would undo
[5:57] the bottle, he would just tuck this toilet roll underneath his
[6:00] chin, use both his hands and then take the toilet roll back
[6:03] out. He wouldn't once like put it
[6:05] down at all. So on a bus, you have like the
[6:07] aisle and then you've got 2 rows of seats either side.
[6:10] So say Tim and this guy were sat on this side, the people that
[6:14] were sat on this side of the aisle completely opposite
[6:17] noticed some really weird behaviors from this guy.
[6:20] After about half an hour, this guy began rocking backwards and
[6:24] forwards and chanting something under his breath, but in a
[6:27] different language. It wasn't in English, so no one
[6:30] really understood. At this point, it was about 8:00
[6:32] PM and it was dark outside and the bus didn't have its lights
[6:36] on so that people could sleep if they wanted to sleep.
[6:38] Obviously it was going to be an overnight journey, and so the
[6:41] only kind of light on this bus was coming from TV sets that
[6:44] were kind of above the chairs for people to watch this film
[6:47] on. But even though the bus was
[6:48] very, very dark, there was number lights on.
[6:51] This guy kept his sunglass on the whole time and then all of a
[6:54] sudden at about 8:20 PM, the people that were sat on the same
[6:57] row as Tim McLean and this passenger saw this guy get out a
[7:01] knife. It was a proper hunting knife.
[7:03] It had like a covering on it. He took the covering off, turned
[7:07] to his right and began stabbing Tim McLean.
[7:10] So the man on that same mile saw the stabbing begin and jumped up
[7:13] and started shouting to the bus driver, stopped the bus.
[7:16] Someone's being stabbed. Immediately everyone on the bus
[7:19] started screaming, shouting, crying.
[7:21] People were throwing up. They were running to the front
[7:23] of the bus to try and get off, but obviously this bus was on
[7:26] the highway. It didn't have anywhere to go.
[7:29] Obviously at this point, Tim had woken up.
[7:30] He was aware of what was happening.
[7:32] He was being stabbed by this stranger and he was screaming.
[7:35] And people said that those screams are the most disturbing
[7:39] thing they've ever heard. Tim tried to escape his
[7:42] attacker, but the only way that he could really get out was by
[7:45] going over him and then down the aisle, because obviously there
[7:48] were chairs in front and behind him.
[7:50] And so he tried to do exactly that.
[7:51] He tried to jump over his attacker but fell and fell into
[7:55] the aisle where he laid while his attacker continued to stab
[7:59] him. By the time the bus actually
[8:00] managed to pull over, Tim must have been stabbed about 50-60
[8:04] times and he was still screaming.
[8:06] But this guy wasn't slowing down, he wasn't stopping, he
[8:09] seemed just in a psychotic rage. So the man that alerted the bus
[8:14] driver, the man that was sat on Tim's road, went back to rescue
[8:17] his girlfriend. And then he noticed three more
[8:19] people sat behind him. And obviously they were trapped
[8:22] behind him. And his attacker, it was an
[8:24] elderly woman, her son and his wife.
[8:27] And so this guy and his wife then tried to help these three
[8:31] people climb over the seats to be able to run off the bus.
[8:34] So quickly, everyone except from Tim and his attacker ran off the
[8:38] bus and the bus driver locked the bus and immobilized it so
[8:42] that no one could drive it anywhere.
[8:44] The attacker couldn't drive it. And they were all just kind of
[8:46] stood outside on the highway and everyone was panicking, crying,
[8:51] throwing up. People were having fit.
[8:53] Like it was a very traumatic experience for everyone on that
[8:57] bus. And at the same time, a truck
[8:59] driver named Chris Aldwyer was driving along that same highway
[9:03] when he noticed that this bus had pulled over.
[9:05] And everyone around it seemed very frantic.
[9:07] And so as he was driving past this bus, he kind of rolled his
[9:10] window down to ask what was going on.
[9:12] And then a woman shouted to him, come help.
[9:14] Someone's being stabbed to death on this bus.
[9:17] So Chris pulled over his truck by the bus.
[9:19] He went into the back and picked up a really heavy metal bar and
[9:23] then went with the bus driver and another male passenger to go
[9:26] and confront this attacker. They got onto the front of the
[9:29] bus and they just kind of stood at the end of the aisle watching
[9:32] this attacker stabbing Tim McClain to death.
[9:35] At this point, they knew that there was nothing that they
[9:37] could do. He must have been stabbed way
[9:39] over 100 times. And even if they tried to stop
[9:42] this attacker, Tim still wouldn't survive.
[9:44] The attacker actually stopped stabbing Tim McClain for a
[9:47] couple of seconds just to look up at these men.
[9:50] He didn't say a single word to them.
[9:51] He was just very expressionless, and the truck driver described
[9:55] his expression as empty. The men all just kind of stood
[9:58] at the front of the bus, just completely frozen with fear,
[10:02] with shock, with trauma. They were watching one man stab
[10:05] another man to death. But the attacker, even though
[10:08] these men had weapons, didn't seem to be very scared of them
[10:11] or threatened or anything. He just kind of moved to the
[10:15] other side of Tim, knelt over him and began beheading him.
[10:19] And the men, like I said, were just frozen.
[10:21] They didn't try and leave the bus.
[10:22] They didn't try and stop this man.
[10:24] Like they just, they couldn't move.
[10:26] And then the attacker had finished beheading Tim and with
[10:29] his head in one hand and a knife in the other, he began heading
[10:33] towards the other men. And so at this point, the
[10:35] adrenaline kind of kicked in with the men and they realized
[10:38] there was no point in trying to fight this attacker.
[10:40] There were people outside, including children, that needed
[10:43] protecting. And so they decided to run off
[10:45] the bus and try and barricade the door as well as they could.
[10:48] They wouldn't really gain anything by trying to physically
[10:51] stop the attacker. There was no one left on the bus
[10:53] that he could hurt now. Yes, he could further destroy
[10:56] Roy Tim's body, but no one's life was at risk anymore.
[10:59] There was no one left on the bus, and so they decided to
[11:02] protect these other people's lives first.
[11:05] Obviously at this point police had been called, but because
[11:08] this was in the middle of the highway, it was taking them a
[11:10] little while to get there. The attacker then kind of calmly
[11:14] walked up to the door that the men were barricading.
[11:17] He didn't try and attack them. He didn't try and get out or
[11:19] anything. He just kind of displayed the
[11:21] head to them and the knife and then just kind of walked back
[11:25] onto the bus, back over to Tim's body.
[11:27] This man was just kind of marching up and down the aisle
[11:30] of the bus with Tim's head, just displaying it to all the
[11:33] passengers of the bus, displaying it to passing cars
[11:36] like it was some kind of like trophy.
[11:39] And by now some police had arrived, but they weren't doing
[11:42] anything yet. They were waiting for a full
[11:43] SWAT team and some kind of orders.
[11:46] As they were waiting, the attacker actually went back over
[11:49] to Tim Mclean's body and began severing different pieces off
[11:53] and eating them. And this went on for another 4
[11:56] hours. For four hours.
[11:58] The police and the SWAT team were outside.
[12:00] They were watching this going on, but they were just kind of
[12:03] waiting. They did have a strategy, but it
[12:06] just wasn't to stop this man yet.
[12:08] They concluded that this man must be in some kind of
[12:11] psychotic rage, some kind of episode that he was going to
[12:15] eventually snap out of. And so the longer they kept him
[12:18] inside this bus, the longer he had to calm down and the more
[12:21] likely he was to go easily to the police station rather than
[12:26] them having to wrestle him and possibly kill him.
[12:28] And so the longer they waited before actually trying to
[12:31] approach this man, the longer he had to kind of calm down and to
[12:35] snap out of this mindset. Otherwise he might try and kill
[12:38] someone else when they were trying to get him out.
[12:40] Who knows what he might try and do if he wasn't calm.
[12:43] At one point the murderer did even sit in the drivers seat of
[12:47] the bus and tried to drive it away.
[12:48] But like I said, the bus driver had put on the immobilizer and
[12:52] thank God that they've actually got those because if they didn't
[12:55] this guy could have just driven this bus and this dead body and
[12:58] possibly killed other people gotten into a car crash or
[13:01] something. No one knows if he could
[13:03] actually drive. After a couple of hours, all the
[13:05] passengers that were on the side of the road had been transported
[13:08] to police stations, along with some of the police officers that
[13:11] had been there since the very beginning because they were also
[13:15] equally as traumatized as the other passengers.
[13:18] Finally, at 1:30 AM the next morning, so five hours after the
[13:22] attack on Tim McLean began, the murderer then tried to break one
[13:25] of the back windows and escape. And so he was shot twice with a
[13:29] Taser gun, wrestled to the ground where he was handcuffed
[13:31] and then taken to the police station.
[13:34] So forensic teams were immediately on the scene and
[13:36] they found bits of Tim Mclean's body scattered all over this bus
[13:42] immediately the next morning. This story was worldwide news.
[13:45] It was on every single news channel because it was so
[13:48] horrific. You never expect anything like
[13:50] this to ever go on. But at the same time, Tim
[13:53] Mclean's body still hadn't been identified.
[13:55] Obviously it was in a very bad physical condition, and so
[13:58] identifying it was going to be pretty hard.
[14:01] And so his family didn't know. The news reports weren't saying
[14:04] any names. They were just kind of saying a
[14:06] young white male because they couldn't tell how old he was.
[14:09] He didn't have any identification on him.
[14:11] His mother, Carol, got up for work that morning.
[14:13] She worked at a senior citizens home.
[14:15] She was a chef there. And as she was getting ready,
[14:18] she put the news on and heard this story about her son being
[14:22] killed. But didn't know it was her son
[14:24] at the time. So Carol went to work and then
[14:27] she said it around lunchtime, she suddenly started getting a
[14:29] really bad feeling, like a pit in her stomach.
[14:32] But she just kind of dismissed it thinking Tim was already in
[14:35] Winnipeg. So like I said, Carol was a chef
[14:37] at this senior citizens home and she'd cooked them a meal.
[14:40] And all day they were watching the news, keeping updated with
[14:43] this news report. And right before they ate this
[14:45] meal that Carol cooked for them, they said grace and decided to
[14:49] do a prayer for the family of the victim that had been killed
[14:52] on that bus, not knowing that the mother of the victim was in
[14:56] that room praying for herself and for her own family.
[14:59] Once they'd finished praying, Carol actually turned to one of
[15:02] the senior citizens and said, wow, that could have been my
[15:05] son. My son was scheduled to come on
[15:08] a bus at that exact time, that exact route from Edmonton to
[15:12] Winnipeg. It could have easily been my
[15:14] son. Tim was expected to be at his
[15:16] dad and stepmom's house for dinner that night.
[15:18] And so his father, also Tim McClain, decided to go out and
[15:22] get Tim's favorite meal, which was fried chicken.
[15:25] So he went out to get this food. And when he got back, all of
[15:28] Tim's friends were outside his house, but Tim wasn't there.
[15:31] And they all looked very serious.
[15:34] And so they asked Tim Senior if he'd heard what happened.
[15:37] And Tim said no, What do you mean?
[15:39] What's what's happened to what? And they said to Tim.
[15:42] And immediately Tim Mclean's heart sunk.
[15:45] He had a really bad feeling. And he said, no, I haven't heard
[15:48] anything. And so Tim's friends all took
[15:51] his father into the house and sat him down.
[15:53] They sat him down in front of his computer and put up the
[15:55] first news page that they could find.
[15:57] And it was the murder on the Greyhound bus.
[16:00] At this point the news believed that they had identified Tim
[16:04] McClain because his ID was on that bus, but they just had to
[16:07] check that it wasn't anyone else's first.
[16:09] And so at 7:30 that night, Tim's father phoned his mother, Carol,
[16:14] and just confirmed that the person that was murdered on that
[16:17] bus was in fact their son, Tim McClain.
[16:20] Back at the police station, the murderer was identified.
[16:23] He was 41 year old Vincent Lee, a Chinese immigrant with three
[16:27] different jobs. And so police made Vincent Lee
[16:30] change out of his clothes so that they could be used as
[16:32] evidence. And when they did, they found
[16:34] Tim Mclean's ear, nose and tongue in his pocket, whereas
[16:38] Tim's eyes and a bit of his heart have never been found.
[16:41] And so it's believed that Vincent Lee, it does, along with
[16:44] just a lot of his kind of flesh around his body.
[16:47] And so Germany's questioning, Vincent Lee took the police
[16:50] through the whole story of the murder starting 24 hours before
[16:54] he even met Tim McLean. So Vincent Lee actually took the
[16:58] exact same bus route that Tim McLean was going to take that
[17:01] day, but 24 hours earlier. So from Edmonton to Winnipeg, he
[17:06] just took the 124 hours before. Vincent Lee actually lived in
[17:10] Winnipeg, which was the final stop on the bus journey, just
[17:13] like Tim McLean was going to do the next day.
[17:16] However, for some reason he got off the bus early, 8 hours early
[17:20] in Ericsson and he paid for a ticket all the way to Winnipeg,
[17:23] which was a reasonable price difference between Ericsson and
[17:26] Winnipeg. So it was clear that he had the
[17:28] intention of going all the way there, but decided kind of last
[17:31] minute to get off early. But the thing about Vincent Lee
[17:34] was that he was actually an undiagnosed schizophrenic and he
[17:37] would hear voices in his head that he believed was God
[17:41] ordering him to do different things, including getting off
[17:44] the bus early in Ericsson. A few days prior to this, the
[17:47] voice had told Vincent that someone was going to try and
[17:50] kill him at some point, and so Vincent needed to buy a knife to
[17:54] defend himself, and that was ultimately the knife that he
[17:57] used to kill Tim McClain. Anyway, the voice told Vincent
[18:00] Lee to get off that bus in Ericsson, and so he did.
[18:03] And as soon as he got off, he just sat on a bench and awaited
[18:06] his next orders from this voice in his head.
[18:08] So while Vincent was sat on this bench waiting for the next
[18:11] orders from the voice in his head, he began acting really
[18:15] strangely. At one point a truck passed in
[18:17] front of his bench a little bit slower than a normal how would
[18:21] go and so Vincent whipped out his knife and was about to kill
[18:25] these truck drivers. But obviously the truck was
[18:27] moving and so by the time Vincent got his knife out, the
[18:30] truck was gone. And so he didn't end up killing
[18:32] them. Vincent stayed sat on this bench
[18:34] waiting for an order all all night.
[18:37] Witnesses saw him still there, sat bolt upright with his eyes
[18:40] wide open at 3:00 AM. He didn't get any sleep.
[18:43] The next morning Vincent got out a laptop from his bag and
[18:47] attached a sign to it saying for sale for $600.00.
[18:51] He just kind of set this laptop out in front of him and waited
[18:54] to see if anyone would come up and buy this laptop.
[18:56] And he never gave a reason why he did this.
[18:58] He didn't say that the voice ordered into her, he just kind
[19:01] of did it. And so a 16 year old boy that
[19:04] worked across the road from where Vincent was on this bench
[19:07] saw this guy in his laptop as he was walking past.
[19:10] And as he was walking past, Vincent asked him if he wanted
[19:13] to buy this laptop. And so the boy actually read the
[19:15] sign and he said, Oh no, sorry, I don't have $600.00.
[19:19] So then Vincent said, well, do you want it for 60?
[19:22] And obviously this boy said, yes, it was a pretty good
[19:24] condition laptop for $60.00. And so he took it.
[19:28] And that was the only time he ever spoke to a single person in
[19:31] Ericsson. He'd been there for 24 hours,
[19:33] sat on this bench without a wink of sleep, and the Voice still
[19:37] hadn't given him another order. So instead of waiting there
[19:40] still for another order from the Voice, Vincent just decided to
[19:43] get on the next bus to Winnipeg, which was the bus route 24 hours
[19:47] after his original 1, which ended up being the one that Tim
[19:49] McLean was on. So like I said, Vincent
[19:52] originally sat towards the front of the bus by himself and then
[19:55] after about an hour at the next stop, he decided to relocate and
[19:59] sit next to Tim McLean. He never actually gave a reason
[20:02] why he chose Tim McLean. People believe it was because he
[20:05] was the. Only one to acknowledge him, but
[20:07] no one really knows why. Tim McLean specifically.
[20:10] And then about 8:20 PM, Vincent said he heard the voice again
[20:14] for the first time in over 24 hours, and it was God telling
[20:18] him to kill Tim McClain. And so he did it.
[20:21] So after he'd killed Tim McClain, Vincent said that the
[20:24] voice then told him that he had to dismember and dispose of the
[20:27] body, otherwise Tim would come back to life and kill him.
[20:31] And so he says that was why he ate it, because if he ate the
[20:35] body, it wouldn't be able to come back alive.
[20:38] Obviously, he couldn't dispose of it any other way.
[20:40] He was locked on a bus so ate it straight away.
[20:44] It was very clear that there was probably some form of mental
[20:47] illness with Vincent Lee. This is not normal human
[20:50] behavior to kill a stranger and then cannibalize them.
[20:54] And so Vincent was assessed and finally diagnosed with
[20:57] schizophrenia at the age of 41. However, it's believed that he
[21:01] had been suffering with it since about the age of 20.
[21:04] He would tell psychiatrists all the time that God is evil, and
[21:08] because Vincent is evil too, God liked him and God wanted him to
[21:12] carry out his murders for him. Vincent also said that God
[21:16] specifically chose Tim McLean to be the victim as well, although
[21:19] he didn't know why God wanted Tim McLean to be the victim, it
[21:22] was just his choice, so Vincent expected and wanted to be
[21:27] executed for his crimes. He said that God wanted him to
[21:30] die now that he'd carried out these crimes, and he felt like
[21:33] that was a suitable punishment for himself.
[21:36] However, the Canada doesn't do the death penalty.
[21:39] Vincent would repeatedly tell psychiatrists that God wants him
[21:42] to die. God needs Vincent to die, and if
[21:44] no one else will do it for him, he will kill himself.
[21:47] Eventually, Vincent was found not criminally responsible for
[21:50] this murder due to the degree of his mental illness.
[21:53] It was really bad to the point where he just did not have any
[21:57] kind of grasp on reality and what was acceptable and what
[22:01] wasn't. In that moment, Vincent really
[22:03] believed that if he didn't kill Tim McClain, he, him himself
[22:06] would be killed by God, and so he was just acting accordingly.
[22:10] He it was like a kill or be killed situation for him.
[22:13] Instead of going to a prison and doing prison time.
[22:16] Vincent Lee was actually sent to a psychiatric hospital to deal
[22:19] with his schizophrenia, where he could have been released at the
[22:23] earliest in 2012, just after three years.
[22:26] However, he wasn't released that early just because his mental
[22:30] state didn't quite improve that fast.
[22:32] In the aftermath of the murder, Greyhound pulled an advertising
[22:35] campaign with the slogan There's a reason you've never heard of
[22:38] bus rage within the year of Tim Mcleans murder.
[22:42] And this bit is actually disgusting.
[22:43] Like I was infuriated when I read this.
[22:46] So Peter, this with the little rabbit thing.
[22:49] You know that like vegan quality free, like charity.
[22:52] Is it a charity? Peter attempted to run an
[22:55] advertising campaign comparing the murder of Tim McLean to the
[23:00] consumption of animals. Obviously, everywhere where
[23:02] Peter tried to air this advert, so on like websites and in
[23:06] magazines, they all refused to publish it for obvious reasons.
[23:09] It was such a horrific lack of of respect and sensitivity
[23:14] towards Tim McLean and his family.
[23:16] In 2011, two female passengers off that Greyhound bus decided
[23:20] to file a lawsuit against Greyhound, the police and the
[23:24] Canadian government for psychological damage because
[23:27] they were exposed to this murderer carrying the head for
[23:30] so long. Like I said, police could have
[23:32] gone in and tried to stop him and like killed him or tasered
[23:35] him inside the bus and arrested him.
[23:37] But instead they left everyone outside for hours just watching
[23:40] him do this, waiting for him calm down.
[23:43] And so they were claiming that they shouldn't have done that.
[23:45] They should have tried to stop him because now they're
[23:47] psychologically damaged. Both women were seeking
[23:50] $3,000,000 each. However, four years later in
[23:55] 2015, both women mysteriously dropped their lawsuits at the
[23:59] exact same time in 2012. So four years after the murder,
[24:04] Vincent Lee was thought to be well enough to have unsupervised
[24:07] day trips outside of the psychiatric ward.
[24:10] Four years after he had murdered and cannibalized a stranger.
[24:14] Five years after the murder, in July of 2014, one of the first
[24:19] police officers that was at the scene that day actually took his
[24:22] life because he's struggled from PTSD so bad from what he'd seen
[24:27] on that day that he just could not carry on.
[24:30] Then in February of 2016, seven years after murdering and
[24:34] cannibalizing a man on a bus in front of a huge audience,
[24:39] Vincent Lee was allowed out of his psychiatric unit.
[24:42] He is completely free and has a new name now.
[24:45] He still lives in Canada, but obviously Canada is a huge place
[24:48] and I don't know exactly where in Canada he lives, but his name
[24:52] is Will Baker and he now has no criminal record at all, which I
[24:58] just find infuriating. I understand that he was not
[25:02] criminally responsible because of his mental illness, but but
[25:05] he still did it. He still murdered and
[25:07] cannibalized a man and that should be on his criminal
[25:09] record. It just worries me in situations
[25:11] like that. If they don't put it on the
[25:13] criminal record, how do they know that he is 100% better?
[25:17] Obviously they've got professionals that have looked
[25:19] at him and agree that he's better, but if he's not and then
[25:23] he also doesn't have a criminal record, then we're just back to
[25:27] square one. But yeah, that's the end of this
[25:29] case. Thank you so much for listening
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