# S2E292: Inside Education Reform With Governor Kevin Stitt and Policy Expert Jon Schnur

An episode of [Future of Education Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1673109764), 31 Dec 2025, 20 min.

Audio: https://rss.art19.com/episodes/ed543e15-c2e2-46bf-a4d2-02de9a0d44ea.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIhVJbnZpc2libGVOZXR3b3JrBjoGRVQ%3D--0761ee75eb25694efc17849092f8583c07f6c68b

In this episode, MacKenzie is joined by two leaders on the frontlines of education innovation: Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt and national education policy expert Jon Schnur. Jon has worked with presidents across party lines, including Obama, Bush, and Clinton, and is currently the CEO of America Achieves, an organization focused on expanding access to economic opportunity and clear pathways to good jobs. Together, Kevin and Jon share honest insights into the current state of education, drawing from their unique perspectives in government, policy, and on-the-ground reform to explore what it will actually take to create better outcomes for students and communities.

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