# S2E293: Fixing Education at the State Level, Part 2: From Policy to Practice

An episode of [Future of Education Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1673109764), 3 Jan 2026, 19 min.

Audio: https://rss.art19.com/episodes/3f34653d-7346-4bcc-aa2d-3eac150c6c58.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIhVJbnZpc2libGVOZXR3b3JrBjoGRVQ%3D--0761ee75eb25694efc17849092f8583c07f6c68b

In Part 2 of the conversation, MacKenzie wraps up the discussion with Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt and policy expert Jon Schnur, expanding the conversation further to include insights from state and workforce leaders across the country. Dan Hamlin, Oklahoma’s Secretary of Education, Mary Cypress Metz of Tennessee’s State Collaborative on Reforming Education, and Maria Flynn, President and CEO of Jobs for the Future share on-the-ground perspectives on what’s working, what’s broken, and what it will take to connect education reform to real economic opportunity for students and communities.

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