# "The Cognitive Revolution"

A podcast by Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz. A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years. The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co

Feed: https://feeds.megaphone.fm/RINTP3108857801

## Latest episodes

- [AI:AM Highlights: Clean Neurons, Black October, the GPU Credit Crunch, and Buying the Supply Chain](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/396742c3c8c1) (2026-10-24, 90 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP5765821580.mp3
- [A World Model of Life: Biohub's Alex Rives on Virtual Cells, Measurement, & the $1.8B Data Push](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/561bc542d4d6) (2026-10-20, 66 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP4571154234.mp3
- [AI:AM: Where's the Steering Wheel? My Agent Set the Password, Hidden Valence, Proofs Find Linux Bugs](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/a7879049a922) (2026-10-17, 88 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP1914037512.mp3
- [Governing AI Agents: Alan Chan of GovAI on Monitoring, Agent IDs, Rogue Agents & Preparing for RSI](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/9066872e7a59) (2026-10-14, 140 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP9646710698.mp3
- [How Agents Decide: Goodfire's Eric Bigelow on Critical Tokens, Phase Shifts, & In-Context Learning](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/5f103c724329) (2026-10-10, 123 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP6059186610.mp3
- [AI:AM: A Level We Shouldn't Pass? Notes from The Curve + Tokens vs. Salaries & Is SaaS Cooked?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/ef774e6a57c2) (2026-10-08, 88 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP1992288352.mp3
- [Software That Never Breaks: OutSystems CEO Woodson Martin on Building Enterprise-Grade Apps at ...](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/5f488802e8f8) (2026-10-07, 72 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP9070453666.mp3
- [One Brain, Any Body: Google DeepMind's Keerthana on Gemini Robotics 2, Cross-Embodiment & Humanoids](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/0453bb1010b8) (2026-10-03, 93 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP1004613940.mp3
- [AI:AM: Was Trump-Xi Anything? What Counts as Utopia? + AWS GPUs Cost 3X & AI Diagnoses Rare Diseases](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/0906e0691f54) (2026-10-01, 90 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP2087716178.mp3
- [Obsolete or Irreplaceable? Garrison Lovely on Stopping the Race to Replace Human Labor](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/64a2baf5431c) (2026-09-29, 135 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP3645405532.mp3
- [AI:AM: What If It Works Too Well? Colluding Agents, $200M Safety Orgs, Virtual Cells Saturate at 2%](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/c6d88c85a970) (2026-09-27, 108 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8221114308.mp3
- [What is Utopia? Presenting The Receipt Horizon, by Joel Borgen – Chapters 1–4](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/4b4c67a55ad4) (2026-09-26, 172 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP5604863524.mp3
- [Zero to One in AI Safety: Halcyon's Mike McCormick on Launching 30 New Orgs & the Founder Bottleneck](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/6f61ceac18ec) (2026-09-25, 111 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP1183170465.mp3
- [AI:AM Highlights: Zvi on Pacing & Trump-Xi, Astra better behaved than Fable? + a new LLM Pain Axis??](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/918d4def2913) (2026-09-19, 102 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP9291235764.mp3
- [No Code Is Code: Zapier CEO Wade Foster on Headless Tools, Zapier MCP & Automation Bench](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/393d905b0548) (2026-09-17, 69 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8698274327.mp3
- [The Balance of AI Power: Anton Leicht on Politics, Pacing Deals, and Muddling Through Well](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/d69e6994db14) (2026-09-15, 131 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP2907645513.mp3
- [AI:AM Highlights: Astra as AGI, OpenAI's Pause, Mythos @ Mozilla & Human Agency vs Technocapitalism](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/20e36f49d854) (2026-09-12, 103 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP4044773749.mp3
- [Nathan Goes to China #3: US-China Relations, the Art of the AI Deal & the Road to Pax Robotica](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/e0e63e46a502) (2026-09-10, 198 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP4608235288.mp3
- [AI:AM Highlights: Welcome to the AGI Era](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/c7bf60f9aa44) (2026-09-05, 141 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8013870449.mp3
- [Write, Change, Recall, Forget: MongoDB's Pete Johnson on How Retrieval Drives Agent Performance](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/1ba29d275b08) (2026-09-01, 97 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP4227648811.mp3
- [AI:AM Highlights: Recursive Self-Improvement, Rushed and Vibe-Coded?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/fdcb9748d295) (2026-08-28, 132 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP2286433321.mp3
- [RL's a Hell of a Drug: Metagaming, Reward Seeking & Motivated CoT Reasoning – Bronson Schoen, Apollo](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/1cd193520b72) (2026-08-26, 135 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP4189865613.mp3
- [AI in the AM — Weekly Highlights: Relaunch Week (Aug 17–20, 2026)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/a691083785f1) (2026-08-22, 154 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP3731247269.mp3
- [Let There Be Germicidal Light: This $500 Fixture Could Stop the Next Pandemic, from Complex Systems](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/ebcef89ce97d) (2026-08-16, 86 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP2491680552.mp3
- [Lindy Teammate: Flo Crivello on Multiplayer Agents, Memory & Why He'd Ban the Chinese Models He Uses](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/33f2b8e17df9) (2026-08-14, 127 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP7395722514.mp3
- [Thinking in Silico: Goodfire CTO Dan Balsam on Concept Manifolds & a $1000/Month ML Research Agent](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/4dae9248ebfe) (2026-08-08, 118 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8369180865.mp3
- [Pick Your Poison: Zvi Mowshowitz on the Unipolar/Multipolar AGI Dilemma, OpenFace & Pacing the ...](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/8dcb355868d5) (2026-08-05, 178 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP1584523494.mp3
- [Nathan Goes to China – Part 2: AI Safety with Chinese Characteristics](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/dce41e3f7989) (2026-08-02, 138 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP1893728868.mp3
- [Is Offense or Defense Dominant? FAR.AI's Adam Gleave on the AI Security Leaderboard](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/2ba80e057ffe) (2026-07-30, 105 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP3663867220.mp3
- [Nathan Goes to China – Part 1: Tech & Agent Setup, Chinese AI UX, WAIC, and Attitudes on AI](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/63e98758143b) (2026-07-27, 145 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8175795325.mp3
- [Alignment with Awakening: Davidad on Moral Realism, AI Wisdom, & why His p(Doom) is Down to 5%](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/b36133b6418b) (2026-07-12, 144 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8042922689.mp3
- [AI:AM Highlights: Exploring the J-Space, AI Superforecasters, SambaNova's Chips, & LTX Video Gen](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/df20e0a184ff) (2026-07-09, 127 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP3487993100.mp3
- [Intelligence on the Edge: Liquid AI's Ramin Hasani on the Search for Device-Native Foundation Models](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/c109b9e52ee3) (2026-07-04, 108 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP7587791262.mp3
- [1000 Designs a Day: Neural Concept's Thomas von Tschammer on AI-Native Engineering](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/4a058a9b5b90) (2026-07-01, 90 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP7695804004.mp3
- [AI:AM #4: Cameron on Model Consciousness, Duvenaud's Gradual Disempowerment, swyx's AI-Eng Alpha](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/bb1f7a8b1bb9) (2026-06-27, 117 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP4892253257.mp3
- [The God We Deserve: Nonzero's Robert Wright on AI as Humanity's Ultimate Test](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/1ee254de5237) (2026-06-23, 150 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP3427511350.mp3
- [AI:AM #3: Zvi on Fable, the Cases For & Against the Ban, + AI for Math, Logistics & More](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/d60ecc58e311) (2026-06-21, 135 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP3805779066.mp3
- [Dean Ball, on Joining OpenAI: New Power Centers, Frontier AI Policy, & Main Character Energy](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/ec963ddfd856) (2026-06-20, 160 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP7383161547.mp3
- [Radically Better Reasoning: Elicit's Andreas Stuhlmüller & Jungwon Byun on World Models for Research](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/ef86c59b2291) (2026-06-17, 107 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP9702631647.mp3
- [AI in the AM — Week 2 Highlights (June 2026)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/385be534c101) (2026-06-13, 105 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8187538597.mp3
- [Babysitting the Machine: Glean's Rebecca Hinds on the Hidden Human Labor of AI at Work](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/25f770662ec0) (2026-06-10, 107 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8886328000.mp3
- [AI in the AM — Week 1 Highlights (June 2026)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/98c20c29a282) (2026-06-06, 83 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP8254665080.mp3
- [Nested Learning: Ali Behrouz on the Quest for Continual Learning & Illusion of AI Architectures](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/dd250ae4e03b) (2026-06-03, 181 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP3112817439.mp3
- [Inside Nathan's Second Brain: Daniel Miessler, Security Expert & Creator of PAI, Audits My AI Setup](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/bf09a019e843) (2026-06-01, 153 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP1454737418.mp3
- [Your Biggest Lever: Designing your AI Career for Maximum Impact, with 80,000 Hours founder Ben Todd](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/cc0d174b9b98) (2026-05-26, 103 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP5827465486.mp3
- [All Compute Is Food: Palisade's Jeffrey Ladish on AI Shutdown Resistance, Self-Replication & Ecology](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/527340d28580) (2026-05-24, 134 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP4974623678.mp3
- [The Model Eats the Scaffolding: DeepMind's Logan Kilpatrick & Tulsee Doshi on 3.5 Flash, Omni & More](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/876dfb2d938d) (2026-05-20, 60 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP9595440004.mp3
- [Three Kinds of Software Survive: Tasklet's Andrew Lee on Competing to be a Horizontal Platform](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/0c7ba5c4d9c3) (2026-05-15, 94 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP2630737467.mp3?updated=1778880157
- [Milliseconds to Match: Criteo's AdTech AI & the Future of Commerce w/ Diarmuid Gill & Liva Ralaivola](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/ecaa3b26c387) (2026-05-09, 88 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP1840766402.mp3?updated=1778246281
- ["Descript Isn't a Slop Machine": Laura Burkhauser on the AI Tools Creators Love and Hate](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1669813431/7b67d5dc2401) (2026-05-06, 83 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/1113/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/RINTP4143641587.mp3?updated=1778055409

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